And the CWC94 winner is...

Clay Colwell <eris@bga.com> for both words! Nice job.

	Secret carbon copy pocketed by drunken lout (6)

	East, east, east...camp where compass and map direct you (12)

Clay will be moderating CWC95.

A complete list of words and comments follows...




































(+ = honorable mention, * = winner)

All Clues for word 1...

+Secret religious group follows organized crime heads (6)
 Obscure clueing contest entries after nothing last month (6)
 The supernatural gather endlessly in hallowe'en mo. (6)
 Once cruel, at odds now with mystic (6) 
 Mysterious --- the tops of onions cure cancer, unlike legume tendrils (6)
 Obscure officer cadet joins sect (6)
+Supernatural havoc cultivated within (6)
 Secret cache (6)
+Mysterious reversal of unending fortune during month of Halloween (6)
*Secret carbon copy pocketed by drunken lout (6)
 In October, copper leaves at first are hard to find (6)
BONUS:
 Mysterious cover-up ?
 Trim manioc cultivated for the supernatural

All Clues for word 2...

 Re-map region I enter for outdoor sporting event ? (12)
 This requires energy in one taking part,
        following pointers to obscure route (12) 
+Piece of Chinese jewelry reportedly found using map and compass (12)
+I enter Gore in strange competition carrying only a map and compass (12)
 Hikers' explorations ruined entire region (12)
 Make extra wide turns in far east arena trying to find direction (12)
 Dislocated, I enter region using only map and compass (12)
 Eastside always popular with gang leader vying for position (12)
 Old rite in green wild! (12)
*East, east, east...camp where compass and map direct you (12)
 Racing cross-country to ocean (French)-- none at junction or circle (12)
BONUS:
 Lurching retiree on gin finds way home in sporting event (12)  
 Rough surface reading? (12)
 Retiree on gin staggers gamely crosscountry? (12) 
+Ignore entire crazy competition!  (12) 

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A few people said that OCCULT was the harder word to construct a cryptic
for while ORIENTEERING was tough to find a straight definition.  That's
pretty much what I was thinking too.  It kind of suprised me to see the 
variety of anagrams possible with ORIENTEERING. Here's my comments...

Clues for OCCULT...

From: "paula@interserve.com" <paula@interserve.com>

 Secret religious group follows organized crime heads (6)

 Explanation:
 Secret = definition
 religious group = cult
 follows = placement indicator
 organized crime heads = OC

> So the Illuminati are stalking the Mafia?  Smooth surface and solid
> cryptic construction. Honorable mention.
 
 BONUS CLUE:
    Mysterious cover-up ?
 Explanation:
 Double definition -- Occult as an adjective and occult as a verb.
 
 BONUS CLUE:
  Trim manioc cultivated for the supernatural
 Explanation:
     Trim = indicator
   Hidden word = maniOC CULTivated
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From: Dirk Laurie <dirk@calvyn.puk.ac.za>

Obscure clueing contest entries after nothing last month (6)
--def-- (---------CC----------)       ---O--- (---ULT--)

The surface reading is true in my case, I'm sorry to say.

> Very topical.  'entries' indicating first letters is a bit of a stretch
> for me.  I like the way you broke up the word.

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From: Matthew Merzbacher <matthew@mills.edu>

The supernatural gather endlessly in hallowe'en mo. (6)

  the supernatural = defn
  gather           = CULL
  endlessly        => CUL
  in               = location indicator
  hallowe'en mo.   = OCT. -> OC(CUL)T

> Nice imagery but it sounds a little funny to gather endlessly within 
> a particular month. 'hallowe'en mo' is a bit obvious.


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From: sailorjn@pipeline.com (SailorJohn)

   Once cruel, at odds now with mystic (6) 
 
   "odds now"  =  read odd letters of phrase 
  "Once cruel, at"  =  phrase fodder 
   Odd letters are OnCeCrUeLaT 
  "mystic" = definition of OCCULT 

> Does this mean that mystics are very cruel people?  The 'now' in the
> indicator is kind of superfluous. Clever cryptic construction.
 
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From: bcs@sc.harris.com (Brian Spollen)

  Mysterious --- the tops of onions cure cancer, unlike legume tendrils (6)

     "mysterious" = def.
     "the tops of" = acrostic indicator
     "Onions Cure Cancer Unlike Legume Tendrils" first letters = "occult"
      
> Now if we can only figure out which vegetable part works for AIDS...
> Good surface and cryptic construction but separating the straight 
> definition and cryptic part by a hyphen isn't too elegant.

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From: DW Bullock <BULLOCK@whio.lincoln.ac.nz>

Obscure officer cadet joins sect (6)

Obscure = definition
officer cadet = OC
joins = indicator
sect = cult (OC+CULT)

> good surface and cryptic but nothing special

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From: dmonson@direct.ca (Don Monson)

 Supernatural havoc cultivated within (6)

    Supernatural        definition
    havOC CULTivated    container clue
    within              container indicator

> Within what?  I hope this isn't autobiographical, or is it a threat?
> I better give you an honorable mention just in case.  

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From: Yap Yok Foo <yfyap@pop.jaring.my>

Secret cache (6)

A double definition

> Short and sweet.  'cache' is a fair but unobvious definition.

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From: Edward Coulson <fyj@psu.edu>

Mysterious reversal of unending fortune during month of Halloween (6)

Mysterious= straight definition
fortune=LUCK  => 
unending fortune=LUC =>
reversal of unending fortune=CUL
month of Halloween=OCT
so the cryptic is rendered as OC(CUL)T

>  Smooth surface and solid cryptic construction.  Once again, 'month
> of Halloween' is a little obvious but at least here 'halloween'
> might be mistaken for the definition. Honorable mention.


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From: Clay Colwell <eris@bga.com>

	Secret carbon copy pocketed by drunken lout (6)
	====== ----------- +++++++++++ +++++++ ----
	defn.      CC       within    anagrammed LOUT
	(cryptic is O(CC)ULT)

>  No wonder they banned alcohol in the Pentagon. Solid cryptic
> and smooth surface.  Nice image.  The winner for word 1.


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From: jbergman@bbn.com (Jacob Bergmann)
 
 In October, copper leaves at first are hard to find (6)

     Copper = CU; leaves at first = L; OC(CU+L)T container clue

> Very nice imagery but the surface is kind of rough.  'October'
> is pretty obvious.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Clues for ORIENTEERING...


From: "paula@interserve.com" <paula@interserve.com>

    Re-map region I enter for outdoor sporting event ? (12)
 
 Explanation: This is both an anagram and an &lit clue, I think.
                         With a stretch of the imagination, it could 
                         also be a double definition.........
Re-map = anagram indicator                                          
Region I enter = anagram fodder for orienteering                      
outdoor sporting event = definintion                                  
Re-map region I enter = is a loose definition of orienteering. 

> The surface certainly sounds orienteering related but it doesn't
> read very smoothly.  The cryptic construction and definition are
> fine.  You don't need the '?' here since it's not really a
> pun or a question.  To be an &lit the entire clue needs to be read as
> both a stright definition and a cryptic one.  The loose definition
> doesn't work for me.     

BONUS CLUE:                                                           
       Lurching retiree on gin finds way home in sporting event (12)  
Explanation:                                                          
      Lurching = anagram indicator                                    
      Retiree on gin = anagram fodder                                 
      finds way home in sporting event = definition of orienteering 

> I like this one a little more than the previous clue.  
                                                                      
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From: Dirk Laurie <dirk@calvyn.puk.ac.za>

Second word:

This requires energy in one taking part, 
following pointers to obscure route (12) 

This requires E in I ENTERING, following OR, &lit.  
( I don't believe in exclamation marks for &lits.  It's like the old-fashioned
 "(anag.)" --- no experienced solver needs such help.)

> I prefer the '!' but won't penalize you for your preference.
> The 'This requires' is superfluous for the cryptic part and 'pointers'
> is questionable to indicate 'heads'.  But they do make for a good 
> straight definition.

Bonus clue (second word)

Rough surface reading? (12)

Definition inexact, no letter-play part --- I know.  But I couldn't resist it.
If you disqualify it as inadmissible, please replace it by my bonus clue.

> OK.
> Smooth surface and a clever partial definition of orienteering.  Too bad
> you couldn't work it into a complete cryptic clue.

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From: Matthew Merzbacher <matthew@mills.edu>


Piece of Chinese jewelry reportedly found using map and compass (12)

  Piece of Chinese jewelry = ORIENT EARRING
  reportedly               = homonym indicator
  using map and compass    = defn

Note: I had to add "found" as connective tissue to make the parts-of-speech
work properly.

> I would have thought this would be an orientAL earring but I see that
> orient means the same thing in an archaic kind of way. Smooth surface.
> Good definition and cryptic but 'found' kind of gets in the way. 
> Something more like 'yields' (if it could fit in the surface reading)
> would be better. Honorable mention.


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From: sailorjn@pipeline.com (SailorJohn)
 
   I enter Gore in strange competition carrying only a map and compass (12)

  "I enter Gore in" = anagram fodder 
 "strange" = anagram indicator 
 "competition carrying only a map and compass" = definition of ORIENTEERING
 
  Al is usually lost, anyway... 

> Uh-oh.  It looks like the Republican mudslinging is already starting...
> Accurate and complete definition. Good and not too obvious anagram. Smooth 
> surface.  'Gore' is a good red herring, I would first think of 'Al'.
> Honorable mention.
 
Bonus Clue for ORIENTEERING: 
 
   Retiree on gin staggers gamely crosscountry? (12) 
    
   "Retiree on gin" = anagram fodder 
   "staggers" = anagram indicator 
   "gamely crosscountry" = punny definition of ORIENTEERING 

> Can one stagger gamely?  Nice image.
 
Second bonus clue for ORIENTEERING: 
 
   Ignore entire crazy competition!  (12) 
 
   "Ignore entire" = anagram fodder 
   "crazy" = anagram indicator 
   "competition" = definition, or this is close to a &lit., since I think
most of 
   the western world HAS ignored ORIENTEERING as a competition! 

> Not quite true.  Just on the US side of the Atlantic.  Smooth surface, good
> cryptic construction. The 'crazy' goes so well with 'competition' that it's
> not really an obvious indicator.  Vague but appropriate definition. Excellent clue, 
> in fact his one could have been on top if it wasn't a bonus. Honorable mention.

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From: bcs@sc.harris.com (Brian Spollen)

Clue for ORIENTEERING:

  Hikers' explorations ruined entire region (12)

     "hikers' explorations" = def.
     "ruined" = anagram indicator
     "entire region" anagrammed = "orienteering"

>  Smooth surface and good cryptic but I don't like the definition so much.
> I'd prefer something indicating a competition or map and compass.

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From: DW Bullock <BULLOCK@whio.lincoln.ac.nz>

ORIENTEERING

Make extra wide turns in far east arena trying to find direction (12)

extra wide = EE (shoe size)
turns in = container indicator (EE backwards if you insist!)
far east = orient
arena = ring
trying to find direction = definition [ORIENT(EE)RING]

> I guess they must have pretty big soccer fields in China.  Smooth surface
> but the extraneous words ('make', 'turns in') are distracting.  The definition
> is more appropriate for orienting.

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From: dmonson@direct.ca (Don Monson)

 Dislocated, I enter region using only map and compass (12)

    Dislocated                  anagram indicator
    I enter region              anagram material
    using only map and compass  definition

    I decided to omit the ! from the &lit since it would seem to
      (undesirably) exaggerate the sense of the surface reading.

> Good clue but not an &lit since the cryptic part does not use the
> second half of the clue.

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From: Yap Yok Foo <yfyap@pop.jaring.my>

Eastside always popular with gang leader vying for position (12)

Eastside = ORIENT
always   = E'ER
popular  = IN
with     = connector, extraneous
gang leader = G
vying for position = definition

This is a charade clue crafted to read like a statement that can
be true in any large city.

> Nice surface and solid cryptic construction but the straight definition
> is a bit too indirect for my tastes.  

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From: Edward Coulson <fyj@psu.edu>

Old rite in green wild! (12)

Old=O
rite in green=anagram fodder
wild=anagram indicator
and the whole is indicative of ORIENTEERING

> It's not that old and I wouldn't consider orienteering as some sort of
> ceremony but it does kind of convey the spirit of orienteering. Rough surface
> and the indicator is pretty obvious.

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From: Clay Colwell <eris@bga.com>

	East, east, east...camp where compass and map direct you (12)

	1st EAST -- indicates ORIENT
	2nd, 3rd EAST -- indicate E and E
	CAMP -- indicates RING (as in "faction")
	WHERE COMPASS AND MAP DIRECT YOU -- defn. (*easily* the
		the hardest part of cluing this word!)

> I can see the scoutmaster herding his troop through the woods now, "Just 15 more
> miles!" The multiple use of 'east' is very elegant.  Good definition that fits
> in quite well with the cryptic part.  Not the
> smoothest of surfaces but it evoked a vivid image.  The winner for word 2!

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From: jbergman@bbn.com (Jacob Bergmann)
 
 Racing cross-country to ocean (French)-- none at junction or circle (12)

     racing cross-country   definition
     ocean                  O
     French-- none          RIEN
     at                     innocuous connective
     junction               TEE (as in plumbing or wiring)
     or                     horrible waste word
     circle                 RING

> Not quite sure what the surface means, kind of rough as well.  Good definition
> and cryptic contruction (except for that pesky 'or').

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

- Robert Galejs
