From sentto-2719433-21-981090588-gtoal=vt.com@returns.onelist.com Thu Feb 1 22:36:29 2001 Received: from ej.egroups.com (ej.egroups.com [64.211.240.230]) by admin.vt.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16794 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:36:29 -0600 (CST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2719433-21-981090588-gtoal=vt.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2001 05:09:49 -0000 X-Sender: gtoal@admin.vt.com X-Apparently-To: edinburgh-computer-history@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 2 Feb 2001 05:09:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82708 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2001 05:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2001 05:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO admin.vt.com) (204.117.188.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2001 05:09:47 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by admin.vt.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA16789 for edinburgh-computer-history@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:36:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200102020436.WAA16789@admin.vt.com> To: edinburgh-computer-history@yahoogroups.com From: Graham Toal MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list edinburgh-computer-history@yahoogroups.com; contact edinburgh-computer-history-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list edinburgh-computer-history@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:36:22 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: edinburgh-computer-history@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ed-comp-hist] Early AI Research Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO I mailed Robin Popplestone at umass and got this response: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Robin Popplestone To: gtoal@gtoal.com Subject: This is a recording... [Re: Edinburgh History] This is an autoresponder. I will not be reading my e-mail for the entire summer. Your message will be read when I return. -- Robin Popplestone Given that it's currently snowing in Mass, I suspect that message is *long* out of date. Does anyone know where he might be nowadays that he actually gets mail? Also I'ld like to track down Pat Ambler who was my tutor for AI2. I mailed Ilona Bellos too but didn't get a reply; I suspect an out of date email address. I found this page with a good recap of the early people from AI: -------- Sat Jun 7 17:54:25 BST 1997 Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.philosophy References: <5l792s$6to@news.ox.ac.uk> <5md82c$al12@dionysus.netmatters.co.uk> From: AaronSloman@cs.bham.ac.nospam (Aaron Sloman See text for reply address) Subject: Re: AI and Deep Blue (Historical correction) [Correct email address is at the end] a.croxton@netmatters.co.uk (al c) makes a historical mistake, which I guess I should correct in case others believe it: > Date: 26 May 1997 23:58:04 GMT > Organization: ABCDevelopment > > Aaron Sloman (founding father of British AI) wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Correction: by the time I started learning about AI, it was already well established in Britain. I started learning about AI in 1969 when I met Max Clowes at Sussex University. He was the person who persuaded me that the best way to address most philosophical questions was to explore issues concerned with designing working minds, human-like and others. Max was one of the leading UK AI vision researchers before I had even heard about AI. (He died around 1980 unfortunately). I also learnt a huge amount when I spent a year (1972-3) at Edinburgh University, where there were already a lot of well established AI researchers, including Donald Michie (probably the the person with the best claim to be the UK's founding father of AI) Rod Burstall Christopher Longet-Higgins He led the epistemics group Steve Isard Julian Davies Bernard Meltzer He led the computational logic group Pat Hayes (moved to a lectureship at Essex just as I arrived) Steve Salter designer of Freddy the robot's mechanics Robin Popplestone Pat Ambler Harry Barrow Bob Kowalski PhD students included Geoff Hinton, Alan Bundy, David Warren, and several others (including several people from the USA who thought the Edinburgh AI group was well worth visiting: e.g. Americans there included Danny Bobrow, J Moore, Bob Boyer, Chris Brown, Frank Brown, and others.). All of those listed above have a better claim than I have to be called founders of AI in the UK. A lot of very good work had been done by then (1973) in Edinburgh (including some interesting robotics work which is now totally ignored by some roboticists of the 1990s who tend to think they invented it all, and who have no idea how difficult it was to do AI with the computers available then, which took several minutes to find the outline of a teacup in a digitised image, ruling out any possibility of "online" control of action. The idea that there can be important trade-offs between software complexity and physical design was well understood, at least in some contexts: of course the label "situated" had not become fashionable yet). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/1/_/_/_/981090588/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: edinburgh-computer-history-unsubscribe@egroups.com