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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>Did you southerners feel it?

I did not wake up when it was felt here at 5 a.m. but some of my friends
did. We discussed it at breakfast this morning.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Have I mentioned lately how much I like living here?
>
> I just realized that not one but *two* of the candidates for mayor are
> transvestites. (Actually, it's probably more accurate to say that one
> is a cross-dresser and the other is a transvestite.) Two others own

Dumb question:  What's the difference between a transvestite and a
cross-dresser?  One of our former governors was said to be having
affairs with transvestites that he picked up on Farish Street in
Jackson.  Iirc, these were men dressed as women that our male gov was
said to be having sex with.  This was a good many years ago.  Can't
remember all the details now.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff, on Beautymist:
> Yep, and that's a great trivia question:

Damn, that *is* a good one.

> Beautymist can make MY legs looks good,

I'll bet he had fabulous legs until all
the injuries and those butchers^W M.D.s
had at 'em.

--
Richard             little windmill

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Joe Namath wore Beautymist hose in the 1974 commercial.
>
> L'eggs were introduced in 1969.

I was thinking the Namath thing was earlier than that.  And I was also
thinking that Leggs came later than that.  I remember first seeing the
little egg containers and thinking they (the containers) were cute.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie:
> I was thinking the Namath thing was earlier than that.

You're probably thinking of Namath's <fame>,
which peaked in 1969.  His <notoriety> had
more, er, legs.

> little egg containers and thinking they (the
>containers) were cute.

My oldest sister was among the first group of
L'eggs delivery people.  I seem to recall that
they made a thing out of having women as their
drivers/delivery "men".

I liked the eggs, too, but now I think of all
the landfills choked with 'em.  You think they
might be bioegradeable?

--
Richard             little windmill

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Richard convolutes,

>What I meant was that there was, at some point, an IBM thing called SEQUEL
>which, in some tangential way, became SQL.

"The history of SQL and relational databases traces back to E.F. Codd, an
IBM researcher who first published an article on the relational database
idea in June 1970. Codd's article started a flurry of research, including a
major project at IBM. Part of this project was a database query language
named SEQUEL, an acronym for Structured English Query Language. The name
was later changed to SQL for legal reasons, but many people still pronounce
it SEQUEL to this day." <http://www.provue.com/proVUE/Fact_SQLServer.html>

Pete

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1- ARMENIANS' EXPERTISE IN MENDACITY IS THEIR ONLY "CLAIM TO FAME"
   Mahmut Esat Ozan Chairman Editorial Board The Turkish Forum

2- ITALY BANS DEMONSTRATION OF ATOM EGOYAN’S FILM"A R A R A T"
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3- President G.W.Bush's message & an opinion
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                          (An Editorial)

ARMENIANS' EXPERTISE IN MENDACITY IS THEIR ONLY "CLAIM TO FAME"

Mahmut Esat Ozan
Chairman Editorial Board
The Turkish Forum


THE INFAMOUS ARCHITECTS  OF A "HOUSE OF CARDS"

The infamous architects of the "HOUSE OF CARDS" have just finished
celebrating their April 24, 2003 festivities. They are not yet satisfied
and they will never be satisfied with the U.S. White House's reluctance in
recognition of their false claims on the Ottoman Empire. They are now
pushing feverishly for a monument to be erected in Time Square in New York
City just like the one ercted in Paris, France. Chances are they may
succeed in doing that, too !

For over 88 long years the Armenians living in their Republic in the
Caucasus and in 'Diaspora' around the world have cleverly exploited the
contents of their mythical state of mind based on nothing but lies,
deceptions, guile, and a plethora of pure falsifications. Some will say
"how could this be possible?" It is possible because as the former Nazi
Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebles used to say: " If you repeat a lie
often enough, people will believe that it is the truth."

In duplicating and parroting the same Nazi dictum, the Armenians have been
successful in pulling the wool over the eyes of everyone, and accomplished
convincing the uninformed masses of the globe that 'black' was 'white' and
conversely 'white' was 'black'. This was done with nothing else but sheer
magical tactics, call them whatever you like:  prestidigitation, if you
will, or simply the performance of a feat of legerdemain, the slight of
hand and the mind.  There is no other way to describe what they have done
and are continuing on doing. .

Having remained totally silent for almost three decades, the subject of
the premeditated annihilation by Turks of their ancestors (1914 -1923 )
suddenly became the topic of the day in the Fifties. Then they started to
form 'grassroots organizations' in all the five continents of the world,
and began methodically to disseminate their lies, deceptions, and
falsifications. However, the world either resisted their salvos, or they
were not yet saturated enough with the Armenian claims. Not many people
believed them. Not finding desired amounts of bites in this initial
fishing expedition they reversed their tactics and thus reverted to a
fiendishly clever but equally deadly tactic of bloody campaign of
assassinations.  Newspapers, Radio and TV broadcasts of these ghastly
murders stemming from this new strategy began to capture the attention of
the world and its Media.  Poor Turks not only lost their valuable young
and promising diplomats but also seemed to have abandoned the fight
against them altogether.

The Armenians' tactics looked like a new, pure and simple implementation
of a campaign of political murders. Even though it first seemed to be a
new strategy, it wasn't so . The same thing had been done by their
treasonous ancestors in Eastern Anatolia , at the turn of the century.
That was during the time when the Ottoman Turks were fighting the enemy on
half a dozen battle fronts. The new series of killings of the Turkish
Diplomats was now mimicking the old tactics of theirs of days gone by.

During the early Eighties, their bloody work became to be known as a
sacred monument erected for the celebration of their murderous killing
machine, the A S A L A. Their political butchery culminated their work
with the assassination of over 60 innocent Turkish diplomats, their family
members, and in some cases other innocent bystanders who lost their
precious lives.  The plan succeeded. The world began to talk about a
fictitious "Armenian Genocide" and began to sympathize with their version
of the events, forgoing the truth which was never presented by the Turkish
counterparts in Ankara.  Only the Armenian side of the invented story
became the legitimate version of the truth, and not ours.

This ugly commodity, known as the "Armenian genocide", this heinous with
its long list of crimes was the work of a domestic Diaspora., and it all
began in the good old USA, in the beautiful peaceful town of Santa Barbara
in 1982. What a shame it was, and still is the choice of the Turkish
authorities to capitulate to the savagery of an incredibly uncivilized
ethnic clan. No reprisals were taken, no re-action plans made.  Turks
thought , "if you ignore them they will go away. After all we were on the
side of the truth."

The Armenians had a technical knock out against truth, decency, and
humanity.  Ever since, they have had nothing else to talk about but their
campaign of a hellish mendacity, whose proportions have no limits.  They
have been obsessed by no other subject, no other enterprise, but this one
theme or topic alone. It was a word stolen from a Jewish writer who coined
that word to apply to the horrendous activities observed during the Nazi
holocaust.  Poor Armenians don't seem to have anything else to talk about.
That is all they have. A single word stolen from someone else's vocabulary
to be used and abused by them alone.

In a previous essay, I identified this valuable item acquired by them
through "hook or crook" they have been using without let-up to peddle
their mendacious product. 1 had given it a new name and called it
"GENOCIDE.COM".  Armenians have been exploiting this item ever since..

Despite their incredible success in the field of "disinformatsia", (the
art of spreading wrong kind of news to hurt your enemy) which the
Armenians had learned from their former masters, the Soviets, the basic
construction of their 'house of cards' does not have any solid foundation.
Nevertheless, this flimsy structure has been able to stand up on its own
shaky legs all these many years because of its builders' unprecedented
reliance on their skill of chicanery and their know-how in the area of
public relations and pure hocus-pocus extraordinaire .

I am almost sure that I shall hear from some people telling me that I
should stop writing on this very same subject . They will say to me that
they had enough of it, that they had read on that subject 'ad nauseam', in
my essays, columns, and articles dealing with Armenia and the Armenians.
Some will also tell me that they are willing to forgive and forget the
alleged Armenians' genocide and that they are now desirous to open the
Turkish Armenian border to do business with these people and wantonly
swallow the Armenians' brazen accusations claiming that the Ottoman
government perpetrated crimes against their "lily white", pure ancestors
who were made the victims of the premeditated , official extermination
policy of a now-defunct empire.

I consulted some dear friends of mine whose judgements I trust, and the
opinion I gathered from them is that I am on the right track, and that a
phalange of writers such as this one, should enlighten the citizens of the
world and keep on exposing the Armenians' perfidious exploitation of this
issue of "genocide" which never took place. Therefore, I pledged to myself
that as long as my hands do function properly I shall not shirk my
responsibility to shout out to anyone within the scope of my voice that
the T urkish people are not the 'villains' and the Armenians are not the
'victims' in this crucial struggle.

A book called: ARMENIA-SECRETS OF A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST STATE is still
available through the TURKISH FORUM. It was written by the late Judge Sam
Weems of Hazen, Arkansas after his lengthy research in many European
capitals.  Judge Sam explicitly exposed the Armenian cleric who invented,
for the first time the claims of massacres in 1915.  Sam Weems had the
proof of the existence of the high priest of the Armenian Church who
shamelessly made-up a story and expedited it to the international Media of
those days in order to instigate foreign nationals and their governments
to come and extort from the Ottomans portions of their lands for the
formation of a free and independent Armenia and annihilating the real
owners of those territories by all means of extermination, deemed suitable
for getting rid of harmful creatures. Thus the Muslims have been dealt a
terrible blow. But ironically Czar Nicholas II never kept his word and the
Armenians were left holding the bag. The official borders between Turkiye
and Armenia were established by the Treaty of Gumru in 1920, and those
documents have on them the signatures of the Armenian Generals who
attended and witnessed the ceremonies.  Eventually, all of Armenia became
an integral part of the Communist Soviet Empire .

The false claim of massacres of poor Christian Armenians by the 'cruel'
Muslim Turks, which was started this clever way, has been working
perfectly.  Armenians have sedated the world population to think that they
are right and the Turks are wrong.  All these tactics of theirs
notwithstanding, the population of the city of Yerevan (Erivan in Turkish)
was 40 % Muslim Turks, Tatars, Circassians, and Jews. None of those ethnic
groups exists there today. They were all massacred by the Armenians.
During the last years of the war 2.5 million Muslim Turks and others were
annihilated by the Armenians. Yet, the world only hears of the so-called
"Armenian Genocide." .  Knowing that this is a word invented a decade or
so after Armenians saw fit to play on the heart strings of the world
Christian populace, is very frustrating ,and they are still at it.

The Armenians' mendacity, coupled with their cunning of the sly rug
merchant mentality has to be matched in kind, in order to succeed against
these merchants of hatred and deception. I do not see any Turks ready to
lower themselves to their level, and that is the reason why the Armenians
seem to be winning the competition. Turks have yet to devise other methods
to win against these people.

Napoleon Bonaparte is famous for his slogan when he said: "To win the war
three things are necessary:  money, money and money." I propose similarly
three things for our salvation, "Education, education, education." If we
add to it a goodly portion of inspiration and perseverance coupled with a
sense of national pride, without a doubt all should work.  Our
oft-repeated slogan also may still come in handy:  "If everyone does a
little, we can do a lot."

meozan@turkishforum.com

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From: Grassroots News <meltem@TURKISHFORUM.COM>
To: TF-ADVISORYBOARD@TURKISHFORUM.ORG
Subject: [iso-8859-1] ITALY BANS DEMONSTRATION OF ATOM EGOYAN’S  FILM

ITALY BANS DEMONSTRATION OF ATOM EGOYAN’S FILM

Italian authorities banned demonstration of a Canadian-Armenian film
director Atom Egoyan’s Ararat that was supposed to be shown across the
country on April 24 as part of events commemorating the 88-th anniversary
of the Armenian genocide committed by the government of Turkey in the
dying days of the Ottoman empire, Armenpress reported, citing the Armenian
embassy in Italy.

The embassy said the ban came unexpectedly as the demonstration had been
announced long before. Many watchers went to cinema houses that day but
they were not lucky. Italian authorities explained the ban by the absence
of a censorship license. Virtually all Italian newspapers and several TV
stations responded to unexpected decision. The attitude of mass media
towards it is clearly seen from the headlines. The daily Unita titled its
story “Black Screen for Armenian Genocide,” the title in La Stampa ran
“Demonstration of a Film About Armenian Genocide Banned,” and so on.

The independent daily La Stampa described the fact as “a strange story in
which nothing is clear.” The leftist Unita after explaining why April 24
was chosen to mark the Genocide Day and underscoring that the film should
have been shown that day, reminded that the film was also banned in
Turkey. The Rightist Il Jornale concluded that “nothing virtually has been
said in our country about the first and atrocious ethnic cleansing of the
past century, which inspired Adolph Hitler to make his final decision on
Jews. It is a pain, still felt Armenians as the successor of the Ottoman
empire, the modern Turkey, refuses to acknowledge it.”

Italian newspapers also report that Turkey’ embassy in Rome has admitted
to Turkish government’s negative attitude towards the film, but declined
any involvement in prompting to ban its demonstration.

The newspapers also cited Armenian ambassador to Italy Gagik Baghdasarian
who said that “the authorities’ theory that the film was banned because
the distributing Bim company failed to submit in time the application for
getting the censorship certificate is not convincing.” “The point is that
the company, considered to be one of the leading and most experienced
Italian distributors was supposed to start its demonstration yet in March
and postponed it until April 24 at our request. The company had advertised
the film spending a lot of money and it had been shown to mass media
representatives in Rome and Turin and all cinema houses which were to show
it were designated and how could it happen that a formal application was
delayed to be submitted, especially that its director Franko Ugolini said
it was the first such case in their long activity.”

Baghdasarian also said it was not the first instant of banning an Armenian
genocide dedicated event in Italy. He recalled that in 1996 a photo
exhibition of a German Genocide eyewitness Armin Wegner was closed after
the complaints of Turkish consul in Milan, but it later reopened under the
public pressure. A documentary shot by Italian director Carlo Massai about
the Armenian genocide has not been released so far though it was ordered
by a state run TV station RAI.

Turkish consuls in those Italian cities which adopted the Armenian
genocide condemning resolutions sent their complaints, in 2000 after
Italy’s parliament passed a resolution recognizing the Genocide it
sustained a heavy pressure on part of Turkey and its own government. The
Armenian ambassador also said that the decision was very regretful as it
happened in a country with advanced democracy, becoming thus the second
country, after Turkey, in which Ararat was banned.

http://www.azg.am/start.pl?lang=EN&num=2003042907

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From: Azeri Community <a_c_a_o@hotmail.com>
To: grassroots@turkishforum.com
Subject: Fwd: President G.W.Bush's message & an opinion

Dear friends,

(A personal opinion)

Below is the President G. W. Bush's message on the sensationalized
Armenian allegations, so crystallized in conviction and so forceful in
content though omitted in using the word "genocide"!  As such, one wonders
will the President ever care to acknowledge atrocities that "the ever
thoughtful and cultured" Armenians both in the turn of last century and
the turn of this century committed against the Ottoman Turks, Muslims and
the Azerbaijanis? If so, will the president opt to use a language that is
charged with one tenth of the clarity, conviction and resolve that is
employed in this message to our occupying neighbor, Armenia? After all it
is Armenians who are at this very moment are occupying 20 per cent of the
Azerbaijani lands and driven more than one million Azeris out of their
homes and communities after massacring thousands just 10 years ago.

Mr. President I am sure you are fully aware that when it comes to the real
friendship Armenia and Armenians put likes of Russia, Syria... on top of
their list of friends rather than the USA! It is unbelievable that what a
campaign of century long nagging, lying, blackmailing, deceiving and
playing victim, rewording and repeating and using the mere exposour effect
can do in the lobbies of the ekollans of power of the greatest democracy
in the world. unduptly, one is lost for word!

In any case here is the President G.W. Bush's message to Armenians.

Javad Zarrin

      Presidential Message: Armenian Remembrance Day, 2003
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030424-8.html

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From: Yüksel Oktay <yoktay@ADA.NET.TR>
To: TF-ADVISORYBOARD@TURKISHFORUM.ORG
Subject: Re: Fwd: President G.W.Bush's message & an opinion (fwd)

Dear Javad Zarrin,
Azeri Community

The April 24, 2003 issue of the International Herald Tribune, published in
Europe by the New York Times, carried a quarter page horrible
advertisment, falsely claiming 24th April 1915 as Armenian Genocide Day.
The advertisement placed by Raffy Manoukian of London perpetuates what you
have referred to as "a campaign of century long nagging, lying,
blackmailing, deceiving and playing victim, rewording and repeating and
using the mere exposure effect" not only in the US, the greatest democracy
in the world, but all over the European countries.

The adverstisement includes a skull with two real human eyes on a dark
background and a statement "Don't let the trurt be buried". Than it
includes a statement attributed to Winston Churchill in 1929, "In 1915 the
Turkish Government began and ruthlessly carried out the infamous general
massacre and deportation of Armenians from Asia Minor". Churchill would
make any false statement to revenge his defeat and oblivion from the
British politics for many years after his defeat in Gallipoli.

The next statement on the advertisement is the one supposedly made by
Hitler in 1939, which has been proven to be a lie: "Who, after all, speaks
of the complete destruction of the Armenians"

Both the New York Times and the International Herald Tribune should be
protested for printing such a grotesque, terrible and deceiving
advertisement.

Yuksel Oktay

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This book exposes selfish and wrong actions by the tiny state of Armenia
and how they continue to use Christianity to obtain foreign aid from
Christian nations and funding by Christian churches. Weems notes that
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its first opportunity to see Armenian terrorizm in perspective, from the
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I am running into calendar problems re using my Finland ticket to go to
Sydney - I have a court date on July 3, and it may be continued on July 7.
So I may wait to book that trip until the court dates are firmed up.
(Then, of course, I may have to pay for the Sydney ticket myself.)

Meanwhile, I have $1200 on United that must be <spent> by May 2. So I am
thinking of booking at least one mostly personal pleasure trip -
something I seldom do. I plan to go to Spain in May next year (for partly
work-related reasons), but I cannot book more than a year ahead - so I
may also go to Europe during Spring Break mostly for the hell of it.
United does not fly to Spain, but they do fly to Paris, so I may book
Paris for Spring Break. Then if I decide to go to Spain, I can  get on a
train.

I am also looking at a trip to Manhattan in November - for a conference,
but also a retreat at the General Theological Seminary, where the
conference is.

Natalie, you are an expert on personal travel - suggestions?

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Did you southerners feel it?
>
>         - D. M.

Lisa called me first thing this morning to tell me she felt it in
Georgia.  Shook the house and rattled the china, but nothing broke or
fell off the shelves.  Michael and the kids slept through it.

She was most fascinated by the sound of the wind at the time the earth shook.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> View a few more pictures at <http://words-l.org/images/020030428/>
>
> The page was done over a near-zero visibility connection and without
> a drop of "creative juice" ... The damn things I do so Rita may flash
> a microsecond of a smile at my ugly face ... she's not from Chicago
> and barely Greek, and still I do it.


        Smoochies, darling.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I am running into calendar problems re using my Finland ticket to go to
> Sydney - I have a court date on July 3, and it may be continued on July 7.

How did that intriguing legal situation turn out that kept you from
going to Finland?  I can't remember whether you told us.

> Meanwhile, I have $1200 on United that must be <spent> by May 2. So I am
> thinking of booking at least one mostly personal pleasure trip -
> something I seldom do. I plan to go to Spain in May next year (for partly
> work-related reasons), but I cannot book more than a year ahead - so I
> may also go to Europe during Spring Break mostly for the hell of it.
> United does not fly to Spain, but they do fly to Paris, so I may book
> Paris for Spring Break. Then if I decide to go to Spain, I can  get on a
> train.

Flying to Paris for spring break would cost about a third of that
amount.

> Natalie, you are an expert on personal travel - suggestions?

Well, I don't know that I'm an expert.  But one thing I started
wondering about is whether you can divide that $1200 up into various
trips.  It's way more than any <normal> plane fare.  If it needs to be
used in a lump, you better think about something like Scandinavia in
summer.  Rt plane fare to Japan the last I checked (on Northwest's web
page) was around $700 from right here at the GTR -- a small, thus
often-more-expense-to-fly-from airport.  Rt plane fare for Paris in May
was about $400 last time I checked.  It's normally much cheaper in March
than in May.

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > I was thinking the Namath thing was earlier than that.
>
> You're probably thinking of Namath's <fame>,
> which peaked in 1969.  His <notoriety> had
> more, er, legs.

Actually, I think of his fame as being in the early '60s.  I think I
remember ascertaining at some point that he and I were the same age --
or at least were in the same college class.  I graduated in '65, which
is approximately when he finished his career at Alabama.  That's what I
remember him from, though I know he then went pro and that the hose ad
was after he was famous for being in professional football.

> I liked the eggs, too, but now I think of all
> the landfills choked with 'em.  You think they
> might be bioegradeable?

I bought them for a short while but quickly discovered that I preferred
the fit of No-Nonsense.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 5:45:36 PM, again, all around wrote:
> I'll bet he had fabulous legs until all
> the injuries and those butchers^W M.D.s
> had at 'em.

I can't believe he had no knee injuries when he was doing those
pantyhose commercials.

The last commercial I saw him do was for some pain reliever.

Karen

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Re promoting your Paris idea (assuming you can find other uses for the
rest of that ticket money), I just got e-mail from a friend (used to
live here, now lives in Virginia) who goes to Paris frequently and who
took her godson (age 30ish, lives here in Sville) with her on her latest
trip.  The trip sounded wonderful.  Here are some excerpts (quoted
without permission but with identifying evidence removed):

> X and I got back to our respective abodes last night.  The trip to Paris was a smashing success -- the
> weather was great and the French were even more friendly than usual.
...
[Because this was X's first visit to Paris -- the only place in Europe
he'd visited before was England]:

> We went to the Louvre twice, to the Musee D'Orsay, to the Centre for Photography for an exhibition, to the
> Picasso Museum, the Dali Museum, Versailles, Montmartre (where the waitress -- named Eglantine -- at
> Cafe Plumeau, the cafe where we had a very good lunch, told us that she had seen "Sleepless in Seattle"
> several times and was dying to visit Seattle!), and to the obligatory Parisian monuments (top of the Eiffel
> Tower, the Arc di Triomphe, a night time excursion on a bateau mouche, etc.), two piano concerts (Chopin,
> of course!), at St. Julien le Pauvre, where the little man selling tickets remembered me from October (he
> should have, as I attended 8 concerts in 11 days then!) and gave us discounts on the tickets.  We had
> another good experience at les Jardins de Notre Dame on the rue Petit Pont, near St. Julien le Pauvre,
> where the maitre d' came over to have a conversation while we were having dinner there the night after we
> arrived.  When I told him that I had eaten there in October on one occasion when he was entertaining a very
> shy little American girl about 6 years old, he laughed and said, "but of course, Madame, we love American
> women of all ages."  Later in the week, we went back there to eat after one of the concerts at St. Julien, and
> he came bounding out before we could even get in the door to shake hands and escort us in. X loved it.
> And he loved seeing some of the odder sights, such as two French teenagers performing rap in the Metro,
> and the police interviewing a man at a laundromat who was wearing only his boxer shorts, presumably
> having dumped everything else into one of the washing machines.
>
> And, of course, the hotel staff was charming and attentive

It goes on, but that should be enough to get you into a Paris mood.
(The friend who wrote this e-mail is heading back to Paris next week --
had planned the trip with her godson for this time before knowing that
it would make sense for her to also go next week since her husband has
to be in Paris for business next week and they could then go on down and
visit her brother, who is in the US military in Italy.)

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>How did that intriguing legal situation turn out that kept you from
>going to Finland?  I can't remember whether you told us.

The Ga. S.Ct. ruled against us - BUT we got second-best, because they
agreed that the jury instruction at issue was badly worded and that is
needs to be rewritten. We are working on how to get that done now. It was
a modest victory, definitely a step in the right direction.

>Flying to Paris for spring break would cost about a third of that
>amount.

Yes - I am getting a price of $718 for Paris. Because I will go during the
semester, I have little flexibility about travel dates.

>Well, I don't know that I'm an expert.  But one thing I started
>wondering about is whether you can divide that $1200 up into various
>trips.  It's way more than any <normal> plane fare.  If it needs to be

Yes - so I am thinking of 2-3 trips. New York will be about $288
(unfortunately, United flies only to JFK, but I suppose I can stand
that.)

>used in a lump, you better think about something like Scandinavia in
>summer.  Rt plane fare to Japan the last I checked (on Northwest's web
>page) was around $700 from right here at the GTR -- a small, thus
>often-more-expense-to-fly-from airport.  Rt plane fare for Paris in May
>was about $400 last time I checked.  It's normally much cheaper in March
>than in May.

Right now, I can't get excited about Scandinavia or Japan. Maybe later.

Thanks,
Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Yes - I am getting a price of $718 for Paris. Because I will go during the
> semester, I have little flexibility about travel dates.

That's way too high for mid-March, but I guess the bargains aren't
available this early.

> Yes - so I am thinking of 2-3 trips. New York will be about $288

Since you have to book it all by May 2, I'd say go with the too-high
Paris ticket for spring break, the NYC trip, and let's see -- that will
leave you with a couple hundred dollars more -- maybe another NYC trip?
There's no such thing as going to NYC too often.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:55:10 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
wrote:

>1 WHY do people "swordfight" with chopsticks? To take out all those
>slivers they are bristling with? I think it's annoying and borders
>on the ST-P-D ...

Males posturing for female favor...

>2 How come every damn reviewer of an Indian restaurant's got to
>say "bold unabashed flavors"

Last time in Dallas we tried a place called The Clay Pit or something like
that. Located in Addison, otherwise known as WhiteBread USA, the bold
unabashed flavors were, if it's possible, anglicized. Or maybe not
anglicized because the English would know a curry from beef stew.
Suburbanized. Anyway, that was a lesson learned" kind of restaurant
experience.

And no, I don't know what makes great Indian food, but I like the gulab
jammun and I read on the Internet that making gratuitous references to
Indian food makes you cool.

>BTW, I was also wondering if British cuisine used to be horrible
>but had come a long way. Thanks

If you have a piece of food, then boil it.

-aht

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:01:51 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> Last time in Dallas we tried a place called The Clay Pit or something like
> that. Located in Addison, otherwise known as WhiteBread USA, the bold
> unabashed flavors were, if it's possible, anglicized. Or maybe not
> anglicized because the English would know a curry from beef stew.
> Suburbanized. Anyway, that was a lesson learned" kind of restaurant
> experience.

There's a Clay Pit in downtown Austin, and it's one of my favorite
places. I thought these had the same owner, but maybe not, because the
food here is quite good.

Karen

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Are Fizzies still around?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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02003-04-29 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:55:10 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >1 WHY do people "swordfight" with chopsticks? To take out all those
> >slivers they are bristling with? I think it's annoying and borders
> >on the ST-P-D ...
>
> Males posturing for female favor...

Damn, couldn't you just, like ... eat in a marked manner?

> And no, I don't know what makes great Indian food, but I like the gulab
> jammun and I read on the Internet that making gratuitous references to
> Indian food makes you cool.

Thanks for the tip! Maybe India is like the Namibia of food.

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> Are Fizzies still around?
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> How do you catch a unique rabbit?

I think they are still available thru a website that features nostalgia
treats.

I liked Grape the best; my brother, Root Beer.  They were such a big deal.
Those and SpaceFood Sticks (sp?)

Sandra

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> Oh, my ASS!
>
> 02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted
> =print&position=
> >
> > A disturbing book review.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > "Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
> > By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
> >
> > THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
> > By Diane Ravitch
> > 255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.

I heard Ravitch on today's Fresh Air. It was an excellent show and she
brings up a critical issue.

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> But I am also thinking either SF or DC for the third trip. I still have
> not seen the cherry blossoms ...

That sounds good.  But for cherry blossoms, I recommend Tokyo --
specifically Ueno Park (if you like to be among hordes of cherry-blossom
partiers) or even better in some ways the street between my apartment
and the post office.  I walked that street constantly during
cherry-blossom season just to stare at them.

May I recommend:

At Ueno:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/cherry3.jpg

With Akio:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/akio.jpg

At a cemetery:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/cherry1.jpg

The only picture I have of the street I loved was at night, alas:
http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/cherrynight.jpg

Actually, I have lots of other cherry-blossom pictures.  But I didn't
scan them all.

--
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Anne Toal wrote:

>>BTW, I was also wondering if British cuisine used to be horrible
>>but had come a long way. Thanks
>
>If you have a piece of food, then boil it.

A long time!

Bethany

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>Are Fizzies still around?

I hope not. Double yuck!

Bethany

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> How do you catch a unique rabbit?

    I know, I know!

JMW

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>I graduated in '65, which

There is an amazing gap in my NatLore.

I _have_ to have known this at some point,
but... Where'd you graduate from again?

You went to LSU and Florida State (or UF?),
right?  And Tennessee?

--
Richard             little windmill

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote and quoted great things re Paris
- sounds right! Thanks!

And one trip to NYC sounds right.

But I am also thinking either SF or DC for the third trip. I still have
not seen the cherry blossoms ...

Bethany

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Karen:
>I can't believe he had no knee injuries when
>he was doing those pantyhose commercials.

Definitely.  That's what, I assume, the gag
was about making his legs look good.

--
Richard             little windmill

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> Well, know her work. Thanks. Yes yes, no, know of, yes. But you're
> actually being impressed that I have a daughter. Catie Curtis, Ember
> Swift, Pat Humphries, etc. - all Mercy's doing. Jolie Rickman, I know on
> my own - well, I knew her when she was on campus. Pierce Turner? Larry
> Kirwan? Peter Oshtrushko (sp)? How about Holly Near? Or the Bobs?

The only ones of those you mentioned that I've heard of are Holly Near and
The Bobs. I liked The Bobs' first album a lot.

Back in 1996, Wordsler Marty Rosen insisted that those of us in the area go
to the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival in Hillsdale, NY. I didn't that year, but
I went the next year, and it was a life-altering event. I found a whole new
world of music and new friends.

> My taste in music doesn't all run to hip hop and techno.

Nor mine. Right now "I Fall To Pieces" is playing.

--Adam

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In a message dated 04/29/2003 7:30:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> How do you catch a unique rabbit?

    I know, I know!


>>

Thanks for making me smile!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Oh, my ASS!

02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=
>
> A disturbing book review.
>
> Karen
>
> "Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
> By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
>
> THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
> By Diane Ravitch
> 255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.
>
> As the commissars of political correctness on the left and the
> fundamentalist sentries of morality on the right have clamped down on
> the education system, more and more subjects, words and ideas have
> become taboo. According to Diane Ravitch's fiercely argued new book,
> "The Language Police," the following are just some of the things
> students aren't supposed to find in their textbooks or tests:
>
> Mickey Mouse and Stuart Little (because mice, along with rats,
> roaches, snakes and lice, are considered to be upsetting to children)."
>
> et cetera et cetera and so forth.

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> Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 5:45:36 PM, again, all around wrote:
> > I'll bet he had fabulous legs until all
> > the injuries and those butchers^W M.D.s
> > had at 'em.
>
> I can't believe he had no knee injuries when he was doing those
> pantyhose commercials.
>
> The last commercial I saw him do was for some pain reliever.
>
> Karen

And didn't he have one commercial that also featured Farrah?

Beautymist is not ringing any bells. It doesn't even sound like pantyhose.
Seems like a better name for a feminine product of the most intimate type ;)

Sandra

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02003-04-29 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> >Who <are> all those people gazing so admiringly at the jumper?
> >clo
>
> A buncha whoremongers, of course.
>
> In the bottom picture, left to right, are Elaine (I think), me, and Jim
> Farrell.  (Jim has been on list sabbatical since Jigglefest, so you
> probably wouldn't know him.)
>
> In the middle picture, left to right, are me (in the background), someone I
> can't identify (sitting), someone else I can't identify (sitting, and from
> the back), Gene Markland (Doris's husband), JMW, and Jim Farrell.
>
> In the top picture, JMW and I are the shadowy figures in the background.  I
> can't see enough of the two sitting figures to identify them.
>
> Ken Miller
> Department of Photounreality

This amazing torrent of verbal output has now been archived on
the internet ... <http://words-l.org/images/020030428/>

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----- Original Message -----
From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> >Hey, if that is what you wanted-go for it.  Sometimes a hot dog
> is very
> >satisfying.
>
> Actually two hot dogs, Fenway Franks specifically, and two beers
> is the way
> to go.

Are they all beef? Otherwise, blecchh

Marie

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02003-04-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-04-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant:
> = > = 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> = > = > Tushar Samant wrote:
> = > = > >02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> = > = >
> = > = > >>      Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
> = > = > >>never told us *that*.
> = > = > >>
> = > = > >
> = > = > >Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
> = > = >
> = > = >
> = > = >       Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
> = > = > web site.  Chop chop!
> = > =
> = > = Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...
> = >
> = > I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
> = > oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
> =
> = Then youa re all set to translate the whole sentence into Dutch.
> = Please do it, I want to use it on Ms Chapman every chance I get.
>
> Pardon!  Je bent niet zo oud dat ik je geen oorveeg kan geven...

OK, great! Thanks! Weg wezen!

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:30:40 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Which cultures are these? Please post a list.

Okay: Japanese.

> Secondly, do they brush them hurriedly and discreetly and only if
> necessary or do they brandish them like freakin light sabres?

The light saber thing is definitely clueless American male.

Is it a bad sign when flames are shooting out of your gas grill?

Karen

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:23:46 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> But I am also thinking either SF or DC for the third trip. I still have
> not seen the cherry blossoms ...

Timing those is VERY tough.

Karen

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:38:16 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>>I can't believe he had no knee injuries when
>>he was doing those pantyhose commercials.

> Definitely.  That's what, I assume, the gag
> was about making his legs look good.

I thought it was the hair.

Karen

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> Around here, amana is Italian.
> clo

Odd. Around here, it's a refrigerator.

--Adam
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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:41:38 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Well, know her work. Thanks. Yes yes, no, know of, yes. But you're
>> actually being impressed that I have a daughter. Catie Curtis, Ember
>> Swift, Pat Humphries, etc. - all Mercy's doing. Jolie Rickman, I know on
>> my own - well, I knew her when she was on campus. Pierce Turner? Larry
>> Kirwan? Peter Oshtrushko (sp)? How about Holly Near? Or the Bobs?

> The only ones of those you mentioned that I've heard of are Holly Near and
> The Bobs. I liked The Bobs' first album a lot.

You need to listen to Pat Humphries. One of the song on the CD I gave
to Carolyn to give to Paul was one of hers.

> Nor mine. Right now "I Fall To Pieces" is playing.

Patsy r3wLs!

Karen

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Anne Toal wrote:

> jammun and I read on the Internet that making gratuitous references to
> Indian food makes you cool.

I meant to mention that one of our lunch group whose wife didn't even
know why he wasn't at lunch yesterday confessed today that he had been
out eating Indian food.

It's good to see you here, abht!

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Sandra writes,

>And didn't he have one commercial that also featured Farrah?

Noxema, 1972 Superbowl.

Pete

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sandra wrote:

>>Oh, my ASS!
>>
>>02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted
>>=print&position=
>>
>>>A disturbing book review.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>
>>>"Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
>>>By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
>>>
>>>THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
>>>By Diane Ravitch
>>>255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.
>>>
>
> I heard Ravitch on today's Fresh Air. It was an excellent show and she
> brings up a critical issue.


        Oh, come on.  What teacher relies soley on textbooks, for
heaven's sake.  There's this weird idea out there that
everything that goes on in a classroom is about that stupid
textbook, and it ain't so.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> unabashed flavors were, if it's possible, anglicized. Or maybe not
> anglicized because the English would know a curry from beef stew.
> Suburbanized.

Call it Texacized, because actually in these burbs our Indian is pretty good. Surprisingly. We actually had some good Mexican, but our place was taken over by some chain, so we're looking again. We've got a good share of Mexicans in the area, though, so I've got high hopes. I need Thai a little closer, there's a good place near work, but not right near home.

I loves them bold unabashed flavors!

> gulabjammun and I read on the Internet that making gratuitous
> references to
> Indian food makes you cool.

Hehheh, Anne's cool

(looking a little pale, Toal, ought to crawl out from under that rock more often)

> >BTW, I was also wondering if British cuisine used to be horrible
> >but had come a long way. Thanks
>
> If you have a piece of food, then boil it.

Actually, I ate really well in the British Isles. Among other things, we found they had quite a way with soups, actually. Which doesn't actually dispute the "have food then boil" philosophy of cooking.

Marie

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Natalie:
> I meant to mention that one of our lunch group whose wife didn't even
> know why he wasn't at lunch yesterday confessed today that he had been
> out eating Indian food.

Why did you think that was something that needed mentioning?

Marie

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In a message dated 04/29/2003 7:45:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
I think they are still available thru a website that features nostalgia
treats.


>>

There was a TV show several months ago showing a number of
products that aren't made anymore, such as Jell-O's 1-2-3.
I wish I had written down the website it listed.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> >I graduated in '65, which
>
> There is an amazing gap in my NatLore.

Indeed.  All Wordslers are expected to know the graduation dates of
other Wordslers.

> I _have_ to have known this at some point,
> but... Where'd you graduate from again?

LSU, though I went there for only two semesters.  Feb. '64 - Jan. '65.
Did most of my undergraduate work at Millsaps.

> You went to LSU and Florida State (or UF?),
> right?  And Tennessee?

Went to U of FL one summer while teaching in Florida.  Would have
probably done my whole MA there except that going summers only would
have taken too long because of their trimester system.  Got the rest of
my MA (as in got the actual MA) at Memphis ('69), while teaching hs
there.  Got the PhD at Tennessee ('78).  Did other things between all
degrees -- i.e., didn't take that long to get the degrees!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > not seen the cherry blossoms ...
>
> Timing those is VERY tough.

Go early and plan to stay long.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> There was a TV show several months ago showing a number of
> products that aren't made anymore, such as Jell-O's 1-2-3.
> I wish I had written down the website it listed.

Here's a petition to bring Jello 1-2-3 back: http://www.petitiononline.com/jello123/petition.html

Know what I just realized the other day I haven't seen for a while? Elliott's Apple Juice. Is that still around?

And come to think of it, where the heck is Ivory shampoo?

Marie

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steph wrote:
>
> = Dumb question:  What's the difference between a transvestite and a
> = cross-dresser?  One of our former governors was said to be having
>
> I am betting that my father knows the difference between the two.
> But I don't think I have the guts to ask him.

My as-usual fuzzy nighttime brain is having trouble making much of
this.  Your father wears women's clothes?  And he knows whether he's a
transvestite or a cross-dresser?

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I meant to mention that one of our lunch group whose wife didn't even
> > know why he wasn't at lunch yesterday confessed today that he had been
> > out eating Indian food.
>
> Why did you think that was something that needed mentioning?

Because it is said to be cool to make reference to Indian food on the
internet.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
> > > I meant to mention that one of our lunch group whose wife
> didn't even
> > > know why he wasn't at lunch yesterday confessed today that he
> had been
> > > out eating Indian food.
> >
> > Why did you think that was something that needed mentioning?
>
> Because it is said to be cool to make reference to Indian food on the
> internet.

That was probably the least cool reference to Indian food in history. It was like Indian food twice removed.

Marie

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I have a copy of my first DVD - which I did not make voluntarily. When I
showed up for a deposition last week, I discovered that it was to be
a video deposition. And they are now delivered via DVD. I picked mine up
this morning - runtime is 3 hours. It will take me days to get up the
courage to watch it, I am sure. I read the print version earlier this
week. Reading one's own deposition is a little like listening to taped
interviews one has conducted - yuck!

Bethany

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= Dumb question:  What's the difference between a transvestite and a
= cross-dresser?  One of our former governors was said to be having

I am betting that my father knows the difference between the two.
But I don't think I have the guts to ask him.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> And come to think of it, where the heck is Ivory shampoo?

Floated away?

I did tell, didn't I, about the time I tried to flush part of an Ivory
soap bar down the toilet?  That was years ago.  Wouldn't flush.  Floated
round and round.

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02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 1:55:10 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 1 WHY do people "swordfight" with chopsticks? To take out all those
> > slivers they are bristling with? I think it's annoying and borders
> > on the ST-P-D ...
>
> To smooth the edges--which doesn't necessarily have anything to do
> with slivers. While you think it's ST-P-D, there are cultures in which
> this is considered polite.

Which cultures are these? Please post a list. Secondly, do they
brush them hurriedly and discreetly and only if necessary or do
they brandish them like freakin light sabres?

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-04-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = > Tushar Samant:
= > = > = 02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > = > = > Tushar Samant wrote:
= > = > = > >02003-04-28 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > = > = >
= > = > = > >>      Marie likes cosmopolitans.  Alyce's sons are hotties!   She
= > = > = > >>never told us *that*.
= > = > = > >>
= > = > = > >
= > = > = > >Actually, she told us frequently, in 1996. Nobody listens
= > = > = >
= > = > = >
= > = > = >       Tushar.  Quit fucking around and get those pictures on the
= > = > = > web site.  Chop chop!
= > = > =
= > = > = Excuse me! You are not so old I can't hit you upside the head ...
= > = >
= > = > I just learned a new word in Dutch the other day: oorvijg (or
= > = > oorveeg), and it means "a hit upside the head".
= > =
= > = Then youa re all set to translate the whole sentence into Dutch.
= > = Please do it, I want to use it on Ms Chapman every chance I get.
= >
= > Pardon!  Je bent niet zo oud dat ik je geen oorveeg kan geven...
=
= OK, great! Thanks! Weg wezen!

Op rotten!

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 1:55:10 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
= > > 1 WHY do people "swordfight" with chopsticks? To take out all those
= > > slivers they are bristling with? I think it's annoying and borders
= > > on the ST-P-D ...
= >
= > To smooth the edges--which doesn't necessarily have anything to do
= > with slivers. While you think it's ST-P-D, there are cultures in which
= > this is considered polite.
=
= Which cultures are these? Please post a list. Secondly, do they
= brush them hurriedly and discreetly and only if necessary or do
= they brandish them like freakin light sabres?

I'm thinking the beginning of Blade Runner where Harrison Ford
does this.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:59:54 -0400, Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>
wrote:

>Call it Texacized, because actually in these burbs our Indian is pretty
good.

Now pardon me for rising to the bait of an obvious troll, but what in all
you know or think you know about Texas would lead you to equate a bland
beef stew-flavored curry with Texas cuisine? Texan food is nothing if not
spicy, strongly flavored, full of tangy sauces and ripping with peppers.
Heck, we put jalapenos in every damned thing imaginable, including ice
cream and jelly. I put habanero pepper sauce into baked beans, for heavens
sake.

No, I say again, this Clay Pit place was dreckazoid. The saag paneer was in
an excessively-butter-flavored base, so much so that I suspected it was
doped with artificial butter flavoring. The nan bread was stuffed with a
candy-sweet chopped cherry filling that looked and tasted like what would
happen if the Collin Street Bakery set up a fruitcake shop in Bombay. The
curry was over salted and overpriced. All in all I was very disappointed
and wished we had gone to that other place we were trying to choose
between. Our decision turned on the fact that The Clay Pit had a more
attractive logo. It was evidently a chain restaurant.

Tushar once wrote me a hilarious letter about how often Indian restaurant
cooks change jobs. Something about how the better the restaurant, the
faster the turnover rate in the kitchen. This place, with its track
lighting, fang shay water fountain, and waiters playing the part of Indian
food experts "oh, AWEsome choice, sir!" just couldn't ever be a serious
place for food.

And that's about all I have to say. There's a time to spring from the rock,
and there's a time to crawl back under it. I miss my rock, and it misses me.

-aht

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02003-04-29 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >View a few more pictures at <http://words-l.org/images/020030428/>
> >
> >The page was done over a near-zero visibility connection and without
> >a drop of "creative juice" ... The damn things I do so Rita may flash
> >a microsecond of a smile at my ugly face ... she's not from Chicago
> >and barely Greek, and still I do it.
>
>        Smoochies, darling.

Get away from me, ice queen!

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Around here, amana is Italian.
> > clo
>
> Odd. Around here, it's a refrigerator.

Wrong stress pattern.  The refrigerator is ama'na.  The phrase is
a'mana.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> We actually had some good Mexican, but our place was taken over by some

I found some very good tamales in Wmart last weekend.  Packaged rather
than the usual canned that one finds around here.  I miss Jack's Tamales
of my childhood Jackson.  Daddy adored them, so we would get them from
time to time.  My memory is that they were exquisite.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > Well, know her work. Thanks. Yes yes, no, know of, yes. But you're
> > actually being impressed that I have a daughter. Catie Curtis, Ember
> > Swift, Pat Humphries, etc. - all Mercy's doing. Jolie Rickman, I know on
> > my own - well, I knew her when she was on campus. Pierce Turner? Larry
> > Kirwan? Peter Oshtrushko (sp)? How about Holly Near? Or the Bobs?
>
> The only ones of those you mentioned that I've heard of are Holly Near and
> The Bobs. I liked The Bobs' first album a lot.

Catie Curtis, Ember Swift, Pat Humphries, and Jolie Rickman play a lot of
the same venues, the first three out of Boston. Jolie I think is in NYC
now; but she started playing folk music at SU. Do you know about Miss
Folk America? It's pretty funny - I have the video.

Pierce Turner and Larry Kirwan are Irish Acid Rock/Folk musicians, well
established, in NYC. I threw them and Pete Ostroushko in cause the list
was too uniform. Pete plays often on Prairie Home Companion as part of the
house band.

>
> Back in 1996, Wordsler Marty Rosen insisted that those of us in the area go
> to the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival in Hillsdale, NY. I didn't that year, but
> I went the next year, and it was a life-altering event. I found a whole new
> world of music and new friends.

Sounds really cool. Is there a website?

> > My taste in music doesn't all run to hip hop and techno.
>
> Nor mine. Right now "I Fall To Pieces" is playing.

And so I will
clo

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Anne Toal wrote:
> There's a time to spring from the rock,
> and there's a time to crawl back under it. I miss my rock, and it misses me.

Nooooo!

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In a message dated 04/29/2003 8:24:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

<<
Know what I just realized the other day I haven't seen for a while? Elliott's
Apple Juice. Is that still around?

And come to think of it, where the heck is Ivory shampoo?


>>

And I can't find Manhattan clam chowder or Keebler's butter-flavored
pretzels here.

I don't know about Ivory, but Breck is back.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > > Why did you think that was something that needed mentioning?
> >
> > Because it is said to be cool to make reference to Indian food on the
> > internet.
>
> That was probably the least cool reference to Indian food in history. It was like Indian food twice removed.

Well, yes.  But you have to admit that I was trying.  I hadn't realized
until it was mentioned here that mentioning Indian food was thought to
be cool.  Not wanting to be left out of the coolness, I leaped to the
occasion and came up with the only one I could think of.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>
> You need to listen to Pat Humphries. One of the song on the CD I gave
> to Carolyn to give to Paul was one of hers.
>

Do tell, I had it in my hands and never knew! But that's ok, 'cause while
Mercy's at Oxford I can listen to hers and she will never know.

clo

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> > There was a TV show several months ago showing a number of
> > products that aren't made anymore, such as Jell-O's 1-2-3.
> > I wish I had written down the website it listed.
>
> Here's a petition to bring Jello 1-2-3 back: http://www.petitiononline.com/jello123/petition.html
>
> Know what I just realized the other day I haven't seen for a while? Elliott's Apple Juice. Is that still around?
>
> And come to think of it, where the heck is Ivory shampoo?
>
> Marie
>

But I have gotten Zotz recently in Maine.
clo

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> And come to think of it, where the heck is Ivory shampoo?
>
> Marie
>

Or Breck? Remember the Breck girls?
clo

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, steph wrote:

> =
> = Yeah, we lost "box your ears" somewhere along the way.
> =
>
> Thank you.  I have been looking for that all day!
>

Anytime. It was in the freezer.
clo

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> sandra wrote:
>
> >>Oh, my ASS!
> >>
> >>02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>
> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted
> >>=print&position=
> >>
> >>>A disturbing book review.
> >>>
> >>>Karen
> >>>
> >>>"Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
> >>>By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
> >>>
> >>>THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
> >>>By Diane Ravitch
> >>>255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.
> >>>
> >
> > I heard Ravitch on today's Fresh Air. It was an excellent show and she
> > brings up a critical issue.
>
>
>         Oh, come on.  What teacher relies soley on textbooks, for
> heaven's sake.  There's this weird idea out there that
> everything that goes on in a classroom is about that stupid
> textbook, and it ain't so.
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I mostly attended catholic schools. I was inclined to believe that what the
textbooks had to offer was more objective than the social commentary that
often accompanied their "lectures." Most of the time, I wished they would
just stick to the book.

Sandra

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In a message dated 04/29/2003 8:44:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Or Breck? Remember the Breck girls?

>>

Yep, they're back.  I read the name and formula were purchased
by someone who likes to resurrect old products.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, bonniev wrote:

> If you think there is a pretty good chance that you might indeed be able to
> attend, I very much advise that you make a reservation some place now.  The
> Inns usually have a two week cancellation policy.  The motels sometimes
> have a 48 hour policy.   If you wait until the last minute or if, god
> forbid, you arrive in town without a reservation, it is very likely that
> you will not find a room of any kind to stay in within a 40 mile radius.
>
>     --bonniev
>

Bonnie, thanks for the heads up. It appears that Vance is not in the mood
to make travel reservations, so our chances of getting to AcadiaFest, at
least as a couple, seem dim.

Please think demote me to the list of "maybe but probably not".

clo

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> now; but she started playing folk music at SU. Do you know about Miss
> Folk America? It's pretty funny - I have the video.

Yes, and I've heard it's very funny. Haven't seen it, though.

> Sounds really cool. Is there a website?

Yes. http://www.falconridgefolk.com. I drove right past it while travelling
to Alyce's and back.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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    Gawd, those things tasted terrible.  I'd rather have Alza-Selzer

JMW

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---- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> And I can't find Manhattan clam chowder

Is that a brand?

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> you know or think you know about Texas would lead you to equate a
> blandbeef stew-flavored curry with Texas cuisine? Texan food is
> nothing if not
> spicy, strongly flavored, full of tangy sauces and ripping with
> peppers.Heck, we put jalapenos in every damned thing imaginable,

I don't mean any disrespect, Miz Toal, but my one week in Dallas tells me that it's mostly hype. So, if it's Dallasized I meant so be it, I'm sure your part of the state rises above. But I find the brisket the lamest of the barbecue, too!

> and there's a time to crawl back under it. I miss my rock, and it
> misses me.

Okay. See ya!

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At 07:54 PM 4/29/2003 -0500, Karen wrote:

>Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:23:46 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > But I am also thinking either SF or DC for the third trip. I still have
> > not seen the cherry blossoms ...
>
>Timing those is VERY tough.

And they're gone for this year...

--Elaine

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From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:41:39 EDT, Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> wrote:

>And I can't find Manhattan clam chowder or Keebler's butter-flavored
>pretzels here.
>
>I don't know about Ivory, but Breck is back.

Manhattan clam chowder, at least Campbell's, seems to be gone. Ivory
shampoo--now there's a memory. P&G created a shampoo with the uncanny
fragrance of something like the dishwashing liquid, but not too close. It
was nonsensical yet comforting. It smelled virtuous.

And what about the greatest P&G product of all time: Rely Tampons. Those
darn things could hold back the Red Sea. What a catastrophe when they took
them off the market. I stockpiled them and used them for a half year after
they disappeared.

-aht

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In a message dated 04/29/2003 9:16:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

<<
---- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> And I can't find Manhattan clam chowder

Is that a brand?


>>

No, it's a style:  a tomato-based clam chowder.  All that's
available here is the New England clam chowder (the
cream-based style).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:17:55 -0400, Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>
wrote:

>my one week in Dallas
    ^^^^^^^^
Okay, don't try so hard. We're convinced already!

-a

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>> I'm kind of stuck on "sequel"
>
>I recently learned that that's what IBM
>originally called it (well, capitalized,
>so yell when you say it).
>
>--
>Richard             little windmill

When I went to Cold Fusion boot camp, the instructor announced that he
pronounced it "sequel" because that's how he learned to pronounce when he
learned it back in the dark ages, back when many of his instructors had
spent their days working in SEQUEL.  (Short for Structured English Query
Language.  I'm surprised that steph never picked up that little bit of
memetic trivia, as most textbooks provide at least a little history filler.)

The message I got from that was this: if you want to convince people you're
an old-timer, you call it sequel.  If you want to convince people you're a
young turk, sneer at codgers who call it sequel.

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
Babbage Engine Works

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In a message dated 04/29/2003 10:00:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
And what about the greatest P&G product of all time: Rely Tampons.
>>

I don't see them coming back:  too much bad publicity due to lives
lost due to toxic-shock syndrome.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:30:21 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Do tell, I had it in my hands and never knew! But that's ok, 'cause while
> Mercy's at Oxford I can listen to hers and she will never know.

LOL. Do you wear her clothes, too?

Karen

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02003-04-29 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I meant to mention that one of our lunch group whose wife didn't even
> know why he wasn't at lunch yesterday confessed today that he had been
> out eating Indian food.

They are all out there ... coming in furtively, hurriedly eating
their food, swilling tea, slipping out. Amazing how they think it
can remain concealed ...

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On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, sandra wrote:
> I mostly attended catholic schools. I was inclined to believe that what the
> textbooks had to offer was more objective than the social commentary that
> often accompanied their "lectures." Most of the time, I wished they would
> just stick to the book.

We went to very different Catholic schools.

Karen

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 9:17:55 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I don't mean any disrespect, Miz Toal, but my one week in Dallas
> tells me that it's mostly hype. So, if it's Dallasized I meant so be
> it, I'm sure your part of the state rises above. But I find the
> brisket the lamest of the barbecue, too!

You needed to come further South.

Karen

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Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 9:28:36 PM, Elaine M Brennan wrote:
> At 07:54 PM 4/29/2003 -0500, Karen wrote:
>>Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 7:23:46 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> > But I am also thinking either SF or DC for the third trip. I still have
>> > not seen the cherry blossoms ...
>>
>>Timing those is VERY tough.

> And they're gone for this year...

She's talking next year.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > = Dumb question:  What's the difference between a transvestite and a
= > = cross-dresser?  One of our former governors was said to be having
= >
= > I am betting that my father knows the difference between the two.
= > But I don't think I have the guts to ask him.
=
= My as-usual fuzzy nighttime brain is having trouble making much of
= this.  Your father wears women's clothes?  And he knows whether he's a
= transvestite or a cross-dresser?
=

no. i believe my father has acquired a certain piece of knowlege
which you lack.  but i would not relish the idea of beginning this
conversation with him.

while there does appear to be some discussion about what the
terms mean, this one seems about right to me:
http://www.triessmn.com/faq.html

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=
= spent their days working in SEQUEL.  (Short for Structured English Query
= Language.  I'm surprised that steph never picked up that little bit of
= memetic trivia, as most textbooks provide at least a little history filler.)

Must've gotten pushed out by something else.  I've known it in the
past but it was not available for this discussion.  Let's hope it
was not the P!nk lyrics to Get the Party Started.

=
= The message I got from that was this: if you want to convince people you're
= an old-timer, you call it sequel.  If you want to convince people you're a
= young turk, sneer at codgers who call it sequel.
=

Yes, but then what do they call it?

steph
surrounded by old fart wannabees

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steph wrote:

> = My as-usual fuzzy nighttime brain is having trouble making much of
> = this.  Your father wears women's clothes?  And he knows whether he's a
> = transvestite or a cross-dresser?
> =
>
> no. i believe my father has acquired a certain piece of knowlege
> which you lack.  but i would not relish the idea of beginning this
> conversation with him.
>
> while there does appear to be some discussion about what the
> terms mean, this one seems about right to me:
> http://www.triessmn.com/faq.html

Thanks.  Interesting stuff.  I'm still not sure how your father fits
into this discussion, but now I see the difference between the terms.
If Joe Namath puts on women's hose, he's cross-dressing, but he's not a
transvestite unless putting them on turns him on.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Since you have to book it all by May 2, I'd say go with the too-high
>Paris ticket for spring break, the NYC trip, and let's see -- that will
>leave you with a couple hundred dollars more -- maybe another NYC trip?
>There's no such thing as going to NYC too often.

Good advice. I agree with you about NYC - I feel the same way about
Washington DC.

Bethany

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Hi,

This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
considerably weaker and more prone to confusion. It is likely that the
cancer has metastasized into her brain, as she is also experiencing some
double vision. This morning she is having difficulty breathing and has a
fever. Her condition seems to change frequently, so it's difficult to tell
whether she'll rally or get worse. I will keep everyone posted if there is
a change.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > now; but she started playing folk music at SU. Do you know about Miss
> > Folk America? It's pretty funny - I have the video.
>
> Yes, and I've heard it's very funny. Haven't seen it, though.
>
> > Sounds really cool. Is there a website?
>
> Yes. http://www.falconridgefolk.com. I drove right past it while travelling
> to Alyce's and back.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>

Hey, Dar Williams is going to be there! Maybe Mercy will be back in time
to go.
clo

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 8:30:21 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > Do tell, I had it in my hands and never knew! But that's ok, 'cause while
> > Mercy's at Oxford I can listen to hers and she will never know.
>
> LOL. Do you wear her clothes, too?
>
> Karen
>

*blush*
clo

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I had my blinds all the way down last night because the
weather turned cooler.  About 4:40 this morning, Sweetie 
wanted to look out and was pawing the blinds, so I pulled
on the cord to raise them a little, and guess what?  They
came crashing down upon the two of us!  She was terrified,
the poor kitty!  She's unhurt, but she's still scared and 
would appreciate good vibes.

Evelyn Duncan
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, steph wrote:

> =
> = spent their days working in SEQUEL.  (Short for Structured English Query
> = Language.  I'm surprised that steph never picked up that little bit of
> = memetic trivia, as most textbooks provide at least a little history filler.)
>
> Must've gotten pushed out by something else.  I've known it in the
> past but it was not available for this discussion.  Let's hope it
> was not the P!nk lyrics to Get the Party Started.

LOL! That would indeed be a tragedy. How to Cure such a distressing
ailment?

>
> =
> = The message I got from that was this: if you want to convince people you're
> = an old-timer, you call it sequel.  If you want to convince people you're a
> = young turk, sneer at codgers who call it sequel.
> =
>
> Yes, but then what do they call it?
> steph
> surrounded by old fart wannabees

Ess Cue Ell. Of course. Geez, young turk wannabes can't work out the
simplest details. Send 'em back to Cold Fusion Boot Camp.

clo                             IT outlaw

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
> > while there does appear to be some discussion about what the
> > terms mean, this one seems about right to me:
> > http://www.triessmn.com/faq.html

> Thanks.  Interesting stuff.  I'm still not sure how your father fits
> into this discussion, but now I see the difference between the terms.
> If Joe Namath puts on women's hose, he's cross-dressing, but he's not a
> transvestite unless putting them on turns him on.

Ahh, but when he did it on a famous ad in a very straight time, was he
being a Gender Outlaw?
clo

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= > http://www.triessmn.com/faq.html
=
= Thanks.  Interesting stuff.  I'm still not sure how your father fits
= into this discussion, but now I see the difference between the terms.
= If Joe Namath puts on women's hose, he's cross-dressing, but he's not a
= transvestite unless putting them on turns him on.
=

I dunno either.  I was just saying something.  He's about your
age is all.

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Thanks, Jeff.  I know this situation must be very hard on you.  (How
trite that sounds.  It's not meant to be trite or light.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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08:13 30.04.2003 -0400 skrev clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, steph wrote:
>
>> =
>> = spent their days working in SEQUEL.  (Short for Structured English Query
>> = Language.  I'm surprised that steph never picked up that little bit of
>> = memetic trivia, as most textbooks provide at least a little history filler.)
>>
>> Must've gotten pushed out by something else.  I've known it in the
>> past but it was not available for this discussion.  Let's hope it
>> was not the P!nk lyrics to Get the Party Started.
>
>LOL! That would indeed be a tragedy. How to Cure such a distressing
>ailment?
>
>>
>> =
>> = The message I got from that was this: if you want to convince people you're
>> = an old-timer, you call it sequel.  If you want to convince people you're a
>> = young turk, sneer at codgers who call it sequel.
>> =
>>
>> Yes, but then what do they call it?
>> steph
>> surrounded by old fart wannabees
>
>Ess Cue Ell. Of course. Geez, young turk wannabes can't work out the
>simplest details. Send 'em back to Cold Fusion Boot Camp.

Hey - I have said Ess Cue Ell for more than twenty years!

Espen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >my one week in Dallas
>    ^^^^^^^^
> Okay, don't try so hard. We're convinced already!

I didn't see you rushing up to make sure I had an representative dining experience. It's important to me to eat well (and local) when I travel, I'm funny that way. So I went to that famous BBQ place (Sonny Bryan's), and El Fenix -- these are Dallas "institutions", right?  In both cases, my impressions were, yeah, okay, fine, I'm not starving, but eh, nothing special. Nearly bland.

And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.

Marie

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >There's no such thing as going to NYC too often.
>
> Good advice. I agree with you about NYC - I feel the same way about
> Washington DC.
>

What is this "nyc" of which you speak?
clo

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Jeff wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
> considerably weaker and more prone to confusion. It is likely that the
> cancer has metastasized into her brain, as she is also experiencing some
> double vision. This morning she is having difficulty breathing and has a
> fever. Her condition seems to change frequently, so it's difficult to tell
> whether she'll rally or get worse. I will keep everyone posted if there is
> a change.
>

Thank you Jeff, you will be in our thoughts and prayers.

clo

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08:22 30.04.2003 -0400 skrev clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
>> considerably weaker and more prone to confusion. It is likely that the
>> cancer has metastasized into her brain, as she is also experiencing some
>> double vision. This morning she is having difficulty breathing and has a
>> fever. Her condition seems to change frequently, so it's difficult to tell
>> whether she'll rally or get worse. I will keep everyone posted if there is
>> a change.
>>
>
>Thank you Jeff, you will be in our thoughts and prayers.

And that means you both.

Espen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>

> > And I can't find Manhattan clam chowder
>
> Is that a brand?
>
> No, it's a style:  a tomato-based clam chowder.  All that's
> available here is the New England clam chowder (the
> cream-based style).

I promise you it's alive and well.

But I don't know about canned.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
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> Hey, Dar Williams is going to be there!

Dar Williams is one boooooooorrrrrrrriiinnnnggg performer.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@optonline.net>
> > Hey, Dar Williams is going to be there!
>
> Dar Williams is one boooooooorrrrrrrriiinnnnggg performer.

I should follow this up:

I saw Dar Williams headline at SummerStage (Central Park) two summers ago. She had the misfortune of having Toshi Reagan & Big Lovely as an opening act. TR&BL, some of us saw open for Dan Bern at the Bottom Line in '97 (Rashmi, Emily, Aunti, child of Aunti, Myles?) -- and anyway it was a tough act for HIM to follow too. They have big big sound and tons of charisma and soul. For this little girl to then step up there in her little blue dress and her soft voice and uninspired lyrics, just seemed like Bad Planning. After a couple of songs we had had enough.

FWIW, I saw Dan Bern last month at the Turning Point in Piermont, NY. I love the work he is doing and I love the band that he's now been with for a couple of years (the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy). The place we saw him at had a capacity of 69 according to the posted sign, so it was <intimate>. I think Dan winked at me.

Marie

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> This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
> considerably weaker and more prone to confusion. It is likely that the
> cancer has metastasized into her brain, as she is also
> experiencing some
> double vision. This morning she is having difficulty breathing and
> has a
> fever. Her condition seems to change frequently, so it's difficult
> to tell
> whether she'll rally or get worse. I will keep everyone posted if
> there is
> a change.

Hi Jeff, I'm so glad we got to see her on a better day. We'll be thinking of you both. I hope that she is comfortable, and when it is time, that death is gentle.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
> > Hey, Dar Williams is going to be there!
>
> Dar Williams is one boooooooorrrrrrrriiinnnnggg performer.
>
> Marie

Luckily it doesn't matter one way or the other to me.
Mercy likes her though. If she doesn't fall in love and move
to Germany, it might be a good welcome home event.

fwiw, Arlo Guthrie, the Nields, the Kennedys, Holly Near,
and Tom Paxton are also performing.

clo

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Natalie Maynor:
= Marie Ascher wrote:
=
= > And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.
=
= You need to come to Starkville.  Students roil around all night.  And
= there are other exciting events:  I saw an announcement in today's paper
= that there will be an open house Sunday afternoon at a new cement plant
= in a tiny community not far from Starkville.  It will include tours and
= refreshments.

I love that kind of stuff.  The plant where our garbage gets
processed had an open house last year.  It was great fun.  They
were letting the kids control the big claw to pick up the garbage
and put it into the incinerator.

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At 10:47 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>And I still get "Fergied" almost daily.
>
>Marie

Ever get Julianne Moore'd?

lisa

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At 08:45 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>
> > > And I can't find Manhattan clam chowder
> >
> > Is that a brand?
> >
> > No, it's a style:  a tomato-based clam chowder.  All that's
> > available here is the New England clam chowder (the
> > cream-based style).
>
>I promise you it's alive and well.
>
>But I don't know about canned.
>
>Marie

I think I saw the canned variety not too long ago but can't remember the
maker.

My grandmother made the best Manhattan clam chowder in the world. I can
still taste it. Thinking about it gives me goose bumps. There's no way in
hell I could eat a canned version.

lisa

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > >my one week in Dallas
> >    ^^^^^^^^
> > Okay, don't try so hard. We're convinced already!
>
> I didn't see you rushing up to make sure I had an representative dining experience. It's important to me to eat well (and local) when I travel, I'm funny that way. So I went to that famous BBQ place (Sonny Bryan's), and El Fenix -- these are Dallas "institutions", right?  In both cases, my impressions were, yeah, okay, fine, I'm not starving, but eh, nothing special. Nearly bland.
>
> And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.
>
> Marie

Austin, on the other hand, is Open All Night, and the food was
incredible(thanks Karen!)
clo

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> the poor kitty!  She's unhurt, but she's still scared and
> would appreciate good vibes.

Good vibes being sent!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Hi,
>
> This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
> considerably weaker and more prone to confusion. It is likely that the
> cancer has metastasized into her brain, as she is also experiencing
some
> double vision. This morning she is having difficulty breathing and has
a
> fever. Her condition seems to change frequently, so it's difficult to
tell
> whether she'll rally or get worse. I will keep everyone posted if
there is
> a change.


I am so sorry.  I thought about Alyce all day yesterday and
found myself wondering how on earth the doctors missed
it.  Her weight loss and disinterest in food were screaming
signals.

Thanks for writing, Jeff.

                 - D. M.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.

You need to come to Starkville.  Students roil around all night.  And
there are other exciting events:  I saw an announcement in today's paper
that there will be an open house Sunday afternoon at a new cement plant
in a tiny community not far from Starkville.  It will include tours and
refreshments.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/30/2003 8:54:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> the poor kitty!  She's unhurt, but she's still scared and
> would appreciate good vibes.

Good vibes being sent!


>>

Thanks!  She's hiding now.  I wish she'd let me comfort her.

We're going to have to get the maintenance man come and
put them back up.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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> fwiw, Arlo Guthrie, the Nields, the Kennedys, Holly Near,
> and Tom Paxton are also performing.

I'm going to try to make it up for a day this year. It's been a couple of years and I was turned on to a lot of current favorites at FRFF.

Marie

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= > =
= >
= > Yes, but then what do they call it?
= > steph
= > surrounded by old fart wannabees
=
= Ess Cue Ell. Of course. Geez, young turk wannabes can't work out the
= simplest details. Send 'em back to Cold Fusion Boot Camp.
=
= clo                             IT outlaw

You assume that they're native English speakers.

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At 09:33 AM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Last night my very erudite biologist/beekeeper friend said both
>"dinit" for didn't, and "I'd'no" for I don't know. But my family
>has him beat with "Iuhwo".
>
>clo

Apparently I say "dinit" and "coudint" for couldn't.

lisa

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Jeff wrote:

> This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
> considerably weaker and more prone to confusion.

Thank you for telling us about it. I keep thinking of you and your Mother.

Kristin

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At 09:34 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > And come to think of it, where the heck is Ivory shampoo?
> >
> > Marie
> >
>
>Or Breck? Remember the Breck girls?

Breck is back with a nostalgic marketing campaign.

lisa

>clo

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At 09:06 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>There was a TV show several months ago showing a number of
>products that aren't made anymore, such as Jell-O's 1-2-3.
>I wish I had written down the website it listed.


try this:

http://www.sweetnostalgia.com/

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

 >Are Fizzies still around?

I've got a good one for you. Does anyone remember King Stir? Same idea as
Fizzies, but the carbonated flavor agent was at the end of a plastic
swizzle stick. I liked root beer flavor the best. This was circa 1965. I
can still remember the commercial: "It's Stirrrrrrrific!"

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At 08:47 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> > >Hey, if that is what you wanted-go for it.  Sometimes a hot dog
> > is very
> > >satisfying.
> >
> > Actually two hot dogs, Fenway Franks specifically, and two beers
> > is the way
> > to go.
>
>Are they all beef? Otherwise, blecchh
>
>Marie

One doesn't dare ask what makes a Fenway Frank. One just consumes them and
is grateful if they don't repeat in the middle of the night.

lisa

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At 08:55 AM 4/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.
>
>You need to come to Starkville.  Students roil around all night.  And
>there are other exciting events:  I saw an announcement in today's paper
>that there will be an open house Sunday afternoon at a new cement plant
>in a tiny community not far from Starkville.  It will include tours and
>refreshments.

WooHoo.  I'm there.

Betty

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At 10:56 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> >Are Fizzies still around?
>
>I've got a good one for you. Does anyone remember King Stir? Same idea as
>Fizzies, but the carbonated flavor agent was at the end of a plastic
>swizzle stick. I liked root beer flavor the best. This was circa 1965. I
>can still remember the commercial: "It's Stirrrrrrrific!"

How much older are you, oldertwin?

Betty

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>How much older are you, oldertwin?
>
>Betty


Seven whole minutes. They didn't know there were two of us until after I
was born, and my mother  thought she had to go to the bathroom. Imagine her
surprise when Doug came out!

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, steph wrote:

> while there does appear to be some discussion about what the
> terms mean, this one seems about right to me:
> http://www.triessmn.com/faq.html

This is reminding me of my Ork place, last week.  Staff Appreciation Day.
They gave the women orchids and the men CHOCOLATE BARS.

Stupid fascist pigs!

Oh yes I wanted to note also that yesterday I saw a huge double rainbow.

And while I'm at it let me mention that lately our skies have been looking
like Florida skies - Florida clouds.

And now for Wednesday.

Ann

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At 09:06 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > >my one week in Dallas
> >    ^^^^^^^^
> > Okay, don't try so hard. We're convinced already!
>
>I didn't see you rushing up to make sure I had an representative dining
>experience. It's important to me to eat well (and local) when I travel,
>I'm funny that way. So I went to that famous BBQ place (Sonny Bryan's),
>and El Fenix -- these are Dallas "institutions", right?  In both cases, my
>impressions were, yeah, okay, fine, I'm not starving, but eh, nothing
>special. Nearly bland.
>
>And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.

Austin was quiet over the Christmas holidays when we were there.  Karen
took us to a nice restaurant for lunch though which was crowded.

Betty

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Jeff wrote:

> Seven whole minutes. They didn't know there were two of us until after I
> was born, and my mother  thought she had to go to the bathroom. Imagine her
> surprise when Doug came out!

I love it.  I hope he fell into a bedpan instead of into a toilet.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 4:20:00 AM, steph wrote:
> while there does appear to be some discussion about what the
> terms mean, this one seems about right to me:
> http://www.triessmn.com/faq.html

Well, now I'm really confused.

I have no idea if this mayoral candidate gets off on dressing like a
woman; I just know that he does it as a lifestyle. I mean, with a name
like Jennifer Gale, you'd have to.

Karen

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>but my one week in Dallas tells me that it's mostly hype.

I keep trying to convince myself
that Marie's making a joke here.

--
Richard             ...and stole the deposit slips

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> This is reminding me of my Ork place, last week.  Staff Appreciation Day.
> They gave the women orchids and the men CHOCOLATE BARS.
>
> Stupid fascist pigs!
>
> Ann

We got punch and cookies and a speech by one of the admins telling us how
important we all are while the other admins nodded their heads in solemn assent. I
don't know 'bout anybody else, but I already knew how important I was without it
having to be <officially declared>.

BrP

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 10:30:09 AM, Jeff wrote:
> Seven whole minutes. They didn't know there were two of us until after I
> was born, and my mother  thought she had to go to the bathroom. Imagine her
> surprise when Doug came out!

LOL--I am holding back all the obvious jokes.

My brothers were only 3 minutes apart--but we knew they were two.

Karen

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> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > We got punch and cookies and a speech by one of the admins telling us how
> > important we all are while the other admins nodded their heads in solemn assent. I
> > don't know 'bout anybody else, but I already knew how important I was without it
> > having to be <officially declared>.
>
> Yes, I do think of you as someone who has a good sense of his own
> self-importance.;)


of course - Leos are like that

>
> Is it time to declare that you are very important to me?


at the risk of incurring the wrath of Tushar (and a few others) - the feeling is totally
mutual.  But you already knew that.

>
> Karen

BrP

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 11:28:05 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> Yes, I do think of you as someone who has a good sense of his own
>> self-importance.;)

> of course - Leos are like that

It's one of the many things which makes them obnoxious.

> at the risk of incurring the wrath of Tushar (and a few others) - the feeling is totally
> mutual.  But you already knew that.

Yes.:)

But let's go back to this Wrath of Tushar concept.

I think there's a movie in there.

With elephants--including a stampede.

Do they call it a stampede in India or Africa?

I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.

Karen

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At 11:30 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>>How much older are you, oldertwin?
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>Seven whole minutes. They didn't know there were two of us until after I
>was born, and my mother  thought she had to go to the bathroom. Imagine her
>surprise when Doug came out!

Poor Doug!

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 11:28:05 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >> Yes, I do think of you as someone who has a good sense of his own
> >> self-importance.;)
>
> > of course - Leos are like that
>
> It's one of the many things which makes them obnoxious.
>
> > at the risk of incurring the wrath of Tushar (and a few others) - the feeling is totally
> > mutual.  But you already knew that.
>
> Yes.:)
>
> But let's go back to this Wrath of Tushar concept.
>
> I think there's a movie in there.
>
> With elephants--including a stampede.
>

Didn't they used to show elephant stampedes during the
censored lovemaking scenes in b&w  movies?

What kind of smut are you advocating here?
clo

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----- Original Message -----
From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> At 10:47 PM 4/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >And I still get "Fergied" almost daily.
> >
> >Marie
>
> Ever get Julianne Moore'd?

Yep. Often. But not as often as Fergie. I like getting Julianne Moored better FWIW.

Marie

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 11:38:08 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Didn't they used to show elephant stampedes during the
> censored lovemaking scenes in b&w  movies?

I never saw one that did. I was thinking Tarzan--I saw a Tarzan movie
in my childhood that made a big impression.

> What kind of smut are you advocating here?

Any kind of smut that works!

Karen

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At 12:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Yep. Often. But not as often as Fergie. I like getting Julianne Moored
>better FWIW.
>
>Marie

That's who Tina thinks you look like. Occasionally when I update her on
list goings on she asks about the Snow Bash folks and refers to you as
Julianne. I admit that I did have to look up who she is but agree with
Tina, you're a dead ringer for JM.

lisa

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Marie:
>What's so funny about that?

What your "one week in Dallas" tells
you about Texas.

--
"...survival kit contents, check"

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:06:10 -0400, Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>
wrote:

>I didn't see you rushing up

What's your point?

>that famous BBQ place (Sonny Bryan's), and El Fenix -- these are
>Dallas "institutions", right?

Well, El Fenix is a chain based in Dallas, but it is only distinguished by
its reputation for truly hideous food. It's Mexican food as interpreted by
someone who thought it needed to be "accessible" to suburban America.

>And I never saw a town shut down at night like that either. Ghost Town.

There are parts of town like that, and there are other parts that
definitely do not. But as a seasoned habitue of Dallas you would surely
know that.

I'm afraid I'm coming off as some sort of apologist for Dallas here. I am
most definitely not. Work takes me there several times a year, and I had
to spend two weeks there last year dealing with the illness and death of
my father. Although the town is full of excitement and neat things to do,
for personal reasons I wouldn't like to have to deal with Dallas on a
daily basis. However, let me say that while the period surrounding my
father's death was an extremely unpleasant one, I never suffered from
being unable to get things done 24 hours a day--and some of those days
ended in the wee hours of the morning.

-aht
Remembering why the underside of that rock seemed so desirable.

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At 11:31 AM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.
>
>Karen

My all time favorite is the cat herding commercial.

Betty

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> Hi,
>
> This is Alyce's son Jeff. She is still hanging in there, but is
> considerably weaker and more prone to confusion. It is likely that the
> cancer has metastasized into her brain, as she is also experiencing some
> double vision. This morning she is having difficulty breathing and has a
> fever. Her condition seems to change frequently, so it's difficult to tell
> whether she'll rally or get worse. I will keep everyone posted if there is
> a change.
>

So good of you to keep us all updated, Jeff. Thank you!

Sandra

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Paul,

Good to see you posting. Has the SARS scare in Toronto cut into your
personal life any? Or have you just decided to roll the dice, come what
may?

-aht

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 9:28:56 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Austin was quiet over the Christmas holidays when we were there.

People were gearing up for New Year's.

> Karen took us to a nice restaurant for lunch though which was
> crowded.

It's where Carolyn and I went to dinner. It was less crowded then, but
we sat under the blackboard with the specials on it, so everyone came
and stared at us.

Karen

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> >
> > I think there's a movie in there.
> >
> > With elephants--including a stampede.
> >

See Elephant Walk with Elizabeth Taylor

               - D. M.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:50:25 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Austin, on the other hand, is Open All Night, and the food was
> incredible(thanks Karen!)

My pleasure. The food here does not suck. Next time, barbecue.

Karen

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> At 11:31 AM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.
> >
> >Karen
>
> My all time favorite is the cat herding commercial.
>
> Betty

Both os those are good.
My favorite current commercial is the man and his
wife, hurrying home from work, ripping their clothes
off as they head into the house . . and he beats her
into the shower.

            - D. M.

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>I admit that I did have to look up who she is but agree with
>Tina, you're a dead ringer for JM.
>lisa

I don't think so.  At all.  Julianne Moore used to be a regular on my soap
opera.  I think Marie is quite a bit prettier than JM.  I once, and only
once, got mistaken for Martha Stewart.


    --bonniev

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>
> > Ever get Julianne Moore'd?
>
>Yep. Often. But not as often as Fergie. I like getting Julianne Moored
>better FWIW.

A little resemblance to Gillian Anderson, too, I think. Way more attractive
than Fergie and cuter than Julianne Moore.

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At 11:53 AM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 9:28:56 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Austin was quiet over the Christmas holidays when we were there.
>
>People were gearing up for New Year's.
>
> > Karen took us to a nice restaurant for lunch though which was
> > crowded.
>
>It's where Carolyn and I went to dinner. It was less crowded then, but
>we sat under the blackboard with the specials on it, so everyone came
>and stared at us.

Safe.  No glass partitions.

Betty

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D.M.:
> My favorite current commercial is the man and his

Before the NFL draft, ESPN[0-9] ran
a spot with a hilarious sight gag
about David Carr and the Texans's
offensive line (or lack thereof).

Unfortunately, they ran it every
commercial break, and sight gags
get old fast.

...or maybe I watch too much TV.

--
baby, while you're up, kyabeerme?

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On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> We got punch and cookies and a speech by one of the admins telling us how
> important we all are while the other admins nodded their heads in solemn assent. I
> don't know 'bout anybody else, but I already knew how important I was without it
> having to be <officially declared>.

Yes, I do think of you as someone who has a good sense of his own
self-importance.;)

Is it time to declare that you are very important to me?

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: Dining questions

> >but my one week in Dallas tells me that it's mostly hype.
>
> I keep trying to convince myself
> that Marie's making a joke here.

No, really, I have no reason to think that they can make good Indian food in Dallas. Even the food they are supposed to do well wasn't very good. What's so funny about that?

Now, YOUR town on the other hand...

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> Marie:
> >What's so funny about that?
>
> What your "one week in Dallas" tells
> you about Texas.

I took back the Texas generalization, but I'm standing by my comments about dining out in Dallas.

Next week: San Diego.

Marie

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 12:00:00 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 11:53 AM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>It's where Carolyn and I went to dinner. It was less crowded then, but
>>we sat under the blackboard with the specials on it, so everyone came
>>and stared at us.

> Safe.  No glass partitions.

Sigh. Yes, you're right. Luckily, there are very few glass partitions
in Austin.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 12:30:22 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I took back the Texas generalization, but I'm standing by my
> comments about dining out in Dallas.

As long as you understand how limited your experience is.

> Next week: San Diego.

Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 12:02:07 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > I think there's a movie in there.
>> >
>> > With elephants--including a stampede.
>> >

> See Elephant Walk with Elizabeth Taylor

Why?

Karen

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> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 12:02:07 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> >> > I think there's a movie in there.
> >> >
> >> > With elephants--including a stampede.
> >> >
>
> > See Elephant Walk with Elizabeth Taylor
>
> Why?
>
> Karen

It's so bad it's good.  ET marries a man from
Africa and goes to live with him in his huge
unusual mansion . . and she kinda gets involved
with another man . . and there are always lots of
elephants everywhere . . and finally an elephant
stampede.

               - D. M.

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> Paul,
>
> Good to see you posting. Has the SARS scare in Toronto cut into your
> personal life any? Or have you just decided to roll the dice, come what
> may?
>
> -aht

It hasn't had much impact on me.  The last time I was up there they were just
reporting the first cases and my schedule and Steve's have kept us from getting
together since.  I'm going up there on Sunday, but we're meeting half way
somewhere - not because of SARS but because he needs to get away from
pressures at home.

Thanks for asking


BrP

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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= > At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= >>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
=
= > Are they going to San Diego, too?
=
= They could, it's close.
=
Yah, like a three hour drive.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:34:53 PM, steph wrote:
> > Karen Kay:
> > = Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
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> > =
> = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
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> You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
>
> Karen

Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).

Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Note to Kristin:  You may already know this difference, but "jumper"
> doesn't mean the same thing in U.S. English as it does in British
> English.  Jumper in the US is a kind of dress that you wear a blouse
> under; jumper in the UK is a pullover sweater.

I'm grateful for that remark. For some time I've been thinking that the UK
usage was extinct, or whether it existed in real usage at all.

A kind of dress, you say. -- Yes I saw it on the photo (Elaine). But isn't it
also a kind of trousers or pants having a top together with them, resembling
with the upper part of the jumper-dress?

Kristin

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:00:35 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> It's so bad it's good.  ET marries a man from
> Africa and goes to live with him in his huge
> unusual mansion . . and she kinda gets involved
> with another man . . and there are always lots of
> elephants everywhere . . and finally an elephant
> stampede.

Okay.

Karen

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On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Note to Kristin:  You may already know this difference, but "jumper"
>> doesn't mean the same thing in U.S. English as it does in British
>> English.  Jumper in the US is a kind of dress that you wear a blouse
>> under; jumper in the UK is a pullover sweater.

> I'm grateful for that remark. For some time I've been thinking that the UK
> usage was extinct, or whether it existed in real usage at all.

> A kind of dress, you say. -- Yes I saw it on the photo (Elaine). But isn't it
> also a kind of trousers or pants having a top together with them, resembling
> with the upper part of the jumper-dress?

Are you thinking jumpsuit?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > also a kind of trousers or pants having a top together with them, resembling
> > with the upper part of the jumper-dress?
>
> Are you thinking jumpsuit?

Ah, yes, perhaps. So, it is better to jump when one has a jumpsuit on, while a
jumper jumps itself. I see.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> You Know You're a Redneck When...2003 Edition!

lol. I must save it as a file. Adds to my knowledge of certain realia :)

Kristin

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:06:40 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>> You Know You're a Redneck When...2003 Edition!

> lol. I must save it as a file. Adds to my knowledge of certain realia :)

Are there Estonian rednecks?

I thought of you, Kristin, when I saw a book about Estonian knitting
on the web. I don't know why it's special, though. Do you?

Karen

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At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 12:30:22 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I took back the Texas generalization, but I'm standing by my
> > comments about dining out in Dallas.
>
>As long as you understand how limited your experience is.
>
> > Next week: San Diego.
>
>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?

Are they going to San Diego, too?

Betty

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=
= Next week: San Diego.
=
= Marie

Last November when we were staying at my dad's we went to the
ugly Mexican restaurant on Garnet (as opposed to the trendy
looking one with the sculptury sign).  It's on your left as you
are heading towards the beach, but I don't remember how far down.
It's got a bit of a parking lot first, and then the restaurant.  It's
painted red and yellow or some such nonsense.

There's a Trader Joe's on Garnet too if you want to make Karen
jealous.

The Rubio's are quite sanitized looking in comparison, but the
thing to get there is a fish taco.  They're all over the place.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?

> Are they going to San Diego, too?

They could, it's close.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:23:51 PM, steph wrote:
> There's a Trader Joe's on Garnet too if you want to make Karen
> jealous.

Wah!

Karen

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:23:51 +0200, steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:

>The Rubio's are quite sanitized looking in comparison, but the
>thing to get there is a fish taco.  They're all over the place.

Oh man, I'm glad that fad has stayed on the west coast. Here,
shrimp "fajita" tacos are being seen with depressing frequency. How in
heaven's name can a shrimp have a fajita? It's meat from the rib cage of a
steer! Nobody gives a shit about that kind of thing any more. It's all
about the seasoning. If you sprinkle fajita seasoning on something, it
becomes a fajita. So far the abuse of the word seems to be confined to
cooked meat, but how far can we be from zucchini fajitas? Carrot or
mushroom fajitas?

-aht
Don't get me started

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:31:44 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> How in heaven's name can a shrimp have a fajita? It's meat from the
> rib cage of a steer! Nobody gives a shit about that kind of thing
> any more. It's all about the seasoning. If you sprinkle fajita
> seasoning on something, it becomes a fajita. So far the abuse of the
> word seems to be confined to cooked meat, but how far can we be from
> zucchini fajitas? Carrot or mushroom fajitas?

We're already there, here.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:06:40 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >> You Know You're a Redneck When...2003 Edition!
>
> > lol. I must save it as a file. Adds to my knowledge of certain realia :)
>
> Are there Estonian rednecks?
>
> I thought of you, Kristin, when I saw a book about Estonian knitting
> on the web. I don't know why it's special, though. Do you?
>
> Karen

There are rednecks everywhere.

By that definition, I am one.
clo

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:34:53 PM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
> =
= >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
> =
> = They could, it's close.
> =
> Yah, like a three hour drive.

You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!

Karen

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At 01:05 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>Both os those are good.
>My favorite current commercial is the man and his
>wife, hurrying home from work, ripping their clothes
>off as they head into the house . . and he beats her
>into the shower.
>
>             - D. M.

Has anyone seen the Ikia commercial in which a woman takes an old lamp out
to the curb, then goes upstairs and smiles as she puts a brand new lamp in
the window? In an anthropomorphic moment, the old lamp stares sadly through
the rain at the woman in the window, and the narrator says that if you're
feeling sorry for the lamp, that's silly, because, after all, it's just a
lamp and the new one is a whole lot better!

I hear it's hilarious, but I've yet to see it.

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>What is this "nyc" of which you speak?

That's a joke, right?

Bethany

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A friend in Washington has just sent me this:

---
Cherry Blossoms Bloom At The End Of March/Beginning of April.

Look at the National Park Service's web page and they have a forecast for
when the
Cherry Blossom Festival will be.  Avoid this time.  They are NEVER right.

I love France.  I hate the French, but they do lunch magnificently.

I've never been to Spain, but I've been to Oklahoma....
---

I think she'd fit in here very well!

Bethany

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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:34:53 PM, steph wrote:
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= = >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
= > =
= = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
= > =
= > = They could, it's close.
= > =
= > Yah, like a three hour drive.
=
= You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
=
= Karen

Not without the proper planning.  But I've been to both Brugge
and Antwerp in the last year to meet up with wordslers, so it has
been done.

Oh, and I think the name of the Mexican restaurant is Ramone's.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >What is this "Nyc" of which you speak?
>
> That's a joke, right?
>
> Bethany

Well, I have heard of a New Jersey suburb with a similar name,
but I have only driven through. It seems very long and thin,
just a lot of road frontage, but there sure was a lot of traffic!
clo

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> = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> = >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
> > =
> = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
> > =
> > = They could, it's close.
> > =
> > Yah, like a three hour drive.
>
> You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
>
> Karen

I drove just about 3 hours to Snowbash.

:-)

BrP

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steph wrote:
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> Karen Kay:
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> = You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
>
> Not without the proper planning.

I can see I have a lot to learn from you.

clo

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:41:44 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> = >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
>> > =
>> = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
>> > =
>> > = They could, it's close.
>> > =
>> > Yah, like a three hour drive.
>>
>> You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
>>
>> Karen

> I drove just about 3 hours to Snowbash.

Perzackly! Stevie is a dork.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:43:49 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> steph wrote:
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>> Karen Kay:
>> =
>> = You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
>>
>> Not without the proper planning.

> I can see I have a lot to learn from you.

Dry wit!

Karen

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At 01:28 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
>
> > Are they going to San Diego, too?
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>They could, it's close.
>
>Karen

Not that close.

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I like the new Dell commercial with the Interns' training tape,
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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 3:47:01 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 03:18 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 3:06:37 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > How soon you forget.  Were you lost all of MissionFest?
>>
>>You're right; I totally forgot. So all the more reason they should get
>>together.

> "They" should decide that.

Well, duh. Of course.

> There may be no time.  Maybe she should drive up
> here!

Yeah, that would definitely take less time... NOT!

Karen

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At 04:01 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 3:47:01 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > At 03:18 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 3:06:37 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> >> > How soon you forget.  Were you lost all of MissionFest?
> >>
> >>You're right; I totally forgot. So all the more reason they should get
> >>together.
>
> > "They" should decide that.
>
>Well, duh. Of course.

Well , then.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> My Julie Lilac is in full bloom.  She searched long and hard
> for the most fragrant variety she could find for my mother's
> day gift, and now, four years later, it is paying off.  I've
> taken two small bouquets off it, and both my house and
> classrom are filled with my favorite scent.
>
> I hope to see her this summer -- she's 22 now!
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

Wonderful, I hope you find a way to get some to her so
she can see - and "scents" how much you appreciate her
gift.

clo

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At 02:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:34:53 PM, steph wrote:
> > > Karen Kay:
> > > = Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > = >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
> > > =
> > = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
> > > =
> > > = They could, it's close.
> > > =
> > > Yah, like a three hour drive.
> >
> > You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
> >
> > Karen
>
>Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
>to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
>Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).
>
>Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?

Too far south.  Come up north.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 02:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:34:53 PM, steph wrote:
> > > > Karen Kay:
> > > > = Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > = >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
> > > > =
> > > = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
> > > > =
> > > > = They could, it's close.
> > > > =
> > > > Yah, like a three hour drive.
> > >
> > > You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> >Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
> >to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
> >Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).
> >
> >Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
>
> Too far south.  Come up north.
>
> Betty

Now why does it not surprise me that I would be the one to
drive? How far up north? I am not familiar with CA geography.
clo

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> A little resemblance to Gillian Anderson, too

And that is my very favorite -- and only rarely do I hear it, but the haircut might help.

(I wish!)

Marie

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Betty Clark:
= At 01:28 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
= >Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
= >
= >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
= >
= >They could, it's close.
= >
= >Karen
=
= Not that close.

Thank you BB

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 2:15:06 PM, steph wrote:
> Betty Clark:
> = At 01:28 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
= >>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= >>> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= >>>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
= >>
= >>> Are they going to San Diego, too?
= >>
= >>They could, it's close.
= >>
= >>Karen
> =
> = Not that close.

> Thank you BB

It's not that far, either. I've driven to San Antonio to have dinner
with non-Wordsler friends. I'd've driven to Dallas to see Marie, but
noooo, she didn't even mention her trip...

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > Karen Kay:
= > =
= > = You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
= >
= > Not without the proper planning.
=
= I can see I have a lot to learn from you.
=
= clo

Actually, it's more that I would feel uncomfortable even calling
up a wordsler that hadn't been on the list for years that I
didn't really know at all.  I need a bit of context for contact.

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steph wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander:
> = steph wrote:
> = >
> = > Karen Kay:
> = > =
> = > = You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
> = >
> = > Not without the proper planning.
> =
> = I can see I have a lot to learn from you.
> =
> = clo
>
> Actually, it's more that I would feel uncomfortable even calling
> up a wordsler that hadn't been on the list for years that I
> didn't really know at all.  I need a bit of context for contact.

Oh, understandable!

Now, my case is different. Meeting - and even failing to meet -
wordslers provided context for list contact.

But the 3 hour drive is nothing.

clo

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 2:31:10 PM, steph wrote:
> Carolyn Ostrander:
> = steph wrote:
= >>
= >> Karen Kay:
= >> =
= >> = You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
= >>
= >> Not without the proper planning.
> =
> = I can see I have a lot to learn from you.
> =
> = clo

> Actually, it's more that I would feel uncomfortable even calling
> up a wordsler that hadn't been on the list for years that I
> didn't really know at all.  I need a bit of context for contact.

Does Marie not really know Elwood at all? I don't know.

Karen

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= Now, my case is different. Meeting - and even failing to meet -
= wordslers provided context for list contact.
=
= But the 3 hour drive is nothing.
=
= clo

my horizons have been foreshortened by living in this tiny little
country.  forgive me.

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>my horizons have been foreshortened by living
>in this tiny little country.  forgive me.

So the  "in the .us they think 500 years
is a long time, in the .nl they think 500
miles is a long way" thing, is furreal, eh?

--
Richard             ...and stole the deposit slips

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At 03:03 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > At 02:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:34:53 PM, steph wrote:
> > > > > Karen Kay:
> > > > > = Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:14:16 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > > = >> At 12:30 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > = >>>Zoofest II! Are you going to see Elwood and Mary Anne?
> > > > > =
> > > > = >> Are they going to San Diego, too?
> > > > > =
> > > > > = They could, it's close.
> > > > > =
> > > > > Yah, like a three hour drive.
> > > >
> > > > You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
> > > >
> > > > Karen
> > >
> > >Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
> > >to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
> > >Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).
> > >
> > >Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
> >
> > Too far south.  Come up north.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Now why does it not surprise me that I would be the one to
>drive? How far up north? I am not familiar with CA geography.
>clo

Six hours?  It's a long state.

Betty

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At 02:34 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 2:31:10 PM, steph wrote:
> > Carolyn Ostrander:
> > = steph wrote:
>= >>
>= >> Karen Kay:
>= >> =
>= >> = You wouldn't drive 3 hours to visit with Wordslers?!
>= >>
>= >> Not without the proper planning.
> > =
> > = I can see I have a lot to learn from you.
> > =
> > = clo
>
> > Actually, it's more that I would feel uncomfortable even calling
> > up a wordsler that hadn't been on the list for years that I
> > didn't really know at all.  I need a bit of context for contact.
>
>Does Marie not really know Elwood at all? I don't know.

How soon you forget.  Were you lost all of MissionFest?

Betty

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 3:06:37 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> How soon you forget.  Were you lost all of MissionFest?

You're right; I totally forgot. So all the more reason they should get
together.

Karen

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

Betty Clark wrote:

> At 02:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> >Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
> >to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
> >Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).

> >Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?

>>> Too far south.  Come up north.

>>> Betty

>
> >Now why does it not surprise me that I would be the one to
> >drive? How far up north? I am not familiar with CA geography.
> >clo
>
> Six hours?  It's a long state.
>
> Betty
>

Six hours from Duarte to... where?
 clo

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At 03:18 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 3:06:37 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > How soon you forget.  Were you lost all of MissionFest?
>
>You're right; I totally forgot. So all the more reason they should get
>together.

"They" should decide that. There may be no time.  Maybe she should drive up
here!

Betty

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again, all around:
= >my horizons have been foreshortened by living
= >in this tiny little country.  forgive me.
=
= So the  "in the .us they think 500 years
= is a long time, in the .nl they think 500
= miles is a long way" thing, is furreal, eh?
=

yup.

Amsterdam - Prague: 583 miles  est. 11 hr 18 min
Chico, CA - San Diego, CA: 603 miles est. 9 hours 44 min


(hmm.  that extra 1.5 hours is the killer.  easier to go to
berlin)

I used to do that CA trip for a long weekend.  Mind you, it's a
straight shot down I-5 mostly, compared to the not always so
wonderful former East German Autobahn (the road is wonderful once
you get to the Czech border)

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At 04:25 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > At 02:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > >Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
> > >to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
> > >Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).
>
> > >Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
>
> >>> Too far south.  Come up north.
>
> >>> Betty
>
> >
> > >Now why does it not surprise me that I would be the one to
> > >drive? How far up north? I am not familiar with CA geography.
> > >clo
> >
> > Six hours?  It's a long state.
> >
> > Betty
> >
>
>Six hours from Duarte to... where?
>  clo

San Francisco Bay Area.  I don't know exactly where Duarte is,
however.  You said City of Hope?
Anyway, if you're close, we're here!

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >
> >Six hours from Duarte to... where?
> >  clo
>
> San Francisco Bay Area.  I don't know exactly where Duarte is,
> however.  You said City of Hope?
> Anyway, if you're close, we're here!
>

City of hope is the hospital, in Duarte - south of LA, that's
all I know.

But Mapquest says it's ~400 mi to San Francisco, so 6-8 hrs
sounds right. I sort of think we will want to see Jim every day
if we can - so probably that's too far.

*sigh*
clo

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At 08:17 AM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > If Joe Namath puts on women's hose, he's cross-dressing, but he's not a
> > transvestite unless putting them on turns him on.
>
>Ahh, but when he did it on a famous ad in a very straight time, was he
>being a Gender Outlaw?
>clo


Interestingly, at the end of the commercial, they showed two gorgeous
blondes caressing him...just to assure the audience of his masculinity.

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> > Actually, it's more that I would feel uncomfortable even calling
> > up a wordsler that hadn't been on the list for years that I
> > didn't really know at all.  I need a bit of context for contact.
>
> Does Marie not really know Elwood at all? I don't know.

We did Wordstock and Missionfest, but it's been years. I fall on somewhere on steph's side of the fence on this one. If he was an active wordsler, it would be different. Even then...In any case I'm pretty tied up while I'm in San Diego, then *uc* is flying out and we're doing another night (and the zoo) before driving up to Santa Monica -- and seeing some LA <friends> -- also Universal Studios, and I want to just crash out on the beach a bit. I bought Tom Robbins new one for that purpose today. (Also Fast Food Nation and The Nanny Diaries).

The furthest south in CA I've ever been is Santa Barbara, with Elwood, Karen, Bookrat, Mary Ann, and ...? for Mexican food -- which was much better than that crap they serve in Dallas ;-)

Marie

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> It's not that far, either. I've driven to San Antonio to have dinner
> with non-Wordsler friends. I'd've driven to Dallas to see Marie, but
> noooo, she didn't even mention her trip...

Did so.

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sandra wrote:

>>sandra wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Oh, my ASS!
>>>>
>>>>02003-04-29 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/books/29KAKU.html?th=&pagewanted
>>>>=print&position=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A disturbing book review.
>>>>>
>>>>>Karen
>>>>>
>>>>>"Young Minds Force-Fed With Indigestible Texts
>>>>>By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
>>>>>
>>>>>THE LANGUAGE POLICE How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn
>>>>>By Diane Ravitch
>>>>>255 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $24.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I heard Ravitch on today's Fresh Air. It was an excellent show and she
>>>brings up a critical issue.
>>>
>>
>>        Oh, come on.  What teacher relies soley on textbooks, for
>>heaven's sake.  There's this weird idea out there that
>>everything that goes on in a classroom is about that stupid
>>textbook, and it ain't so.
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> I mostly attended catholic schools. I was inclined to believe that what the
> textbooks had to offer was more objective than the social commentary that
> often accompanied their "lectures." Most of the time, I wished they would
> just stick to the book.


        Textbooks are not objective.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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My Julie Lilac is in full bloom.  She searched long and hard
for the most fragrant variety she could find for my mother's
day gift, and now, four years later, it is paying off.  I've
taken two small bouquets off it, and both my house and
classrom are filled with my favorite scent.

I hope to see her this summer -- she's 22 now!

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@optonline.net>
> > > Hey, Dar Williams is going to be there!
> >
> > Dar Williams is one boooooooorrrrrrrriiinnnnggg performer.
>
> I should follow this up:
>
> I saw Dar Williams headline at SummerStage (Central Park) two summers ago. She had the misfortune of having Toshi Reagan & Big Lovely as an opening act. TR&BL, some of us saw open for Dan Bern at the Bottom Line in '97 (Rashmi, Emily, Aunti, child of Aunti, Myles?) -- and anyway it was a tough act for HIM to follow too. They have big big sound and tons of charisma and soul. For this little girl to then step up there in her little blue dress and her soft voice and uninspired lyrics, just seemed like Bad Planning. After a couple of songs we had had enough.
>
> FWIW, I saw Dan Bern last month at the Turning Point in Piermont, NY. I love the work he is doing and I love the band that he's now been with for a couple of years (the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy). The place we saw him at had a capacity of 69 according to the posted sign, so it was <intimate>. I think Dan winked at me.


"If Toshi Reagon was singing the phone book, she would empower,
 uplift and enlighten anyone within listening range."

She appears to be her mother's daughter.

clo

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=
= Perzackly! Stevie is a dork.
=
= Karen

sticks and stones may break my bones
but names will never hurt me

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
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> I am running into calendar problems re using my Finland ticket to go to
> Sydney - I have a court date on July 3, and it may be continued on July 7.
> So I may wait to book that trip until the court dates are firmed up.
> (Then, of course, I may have to pay for the Sydney ticket myself.)
>

 I may have been correct.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.

Why are the dachshunds stampeding?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Didn't they used to show elephant stampedes during the
> censored lovemaking scenes in b&w  movies?

Weird.  I don't remember that in particular, but what's weird is that I
do remember <making out> at the drive-in when there were stampeding
elephants on the screen.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > Ever get Julianne Moore'd?
>
> Yep. Often. But not as often as Fergie. I like getting Julianne Moored better FWIW.

I used to be JulieAndrewed from time to time, but I haven't been in
years.  I guess she has aged better than I have.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> No, really, I have no reason to think that they can make good Indian food in Dallas. Even the food they are supposed to do well wasn't very good. What's so funny about that?

What food are they supposed to do well?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > >What is this "Nyc" of which you speak?
> >
> > That's a joke, right?
> >
> > Bethany

It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
who think that NYC is all there is to New York (especially senator
types); so we tend to give it the cold shoulder. In fact, though, I
have never been to the Big Apple except for one weekend field trip
when I was in college in PA.

I was raised rural, remember - my Dad said what we couldn't get at
Carter's Dry Goods, 12 miles away, we didn't need. After I left
home I lived in a number of cities, but NYC didn't happen to be
one.

which makes it odder, when you think of it, that I have never seen
a headless chicken...

clo

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Jeff wrote:
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> Natalie wrote:
>
>  > I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.
>
> Why are the dachshunds stampeding?
>
> Because the rancher thought he had ordered 200 oxen and he was
> misunderstood on the cell phone. I particularly like the two dachshunds
> standing in the ox yoke.

I have to say that "flour the children" still cracks me up.
clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> A kind of dress, you say. -- Yes I saw it on the photo (Elaine). But isn't it
> also a kind of trousers or pants having a top together with them, resembling
> with the upper part of the jumper-dress?

You're thinking of jumpsuits.  I think that's the right word.  Somehow
it looks funny now.  Back twenty or so years ago some middle-aged US men
were into wearing these one-piece things that are sort of like what you
describe above.  The upper part didn't really resemble a jumper dress
since a jumper dress has no sleeves and has widish arm-holes to
accommodate the blouses one wears under the jumper.  Men's jumpsuits had
shirt-like tops, usually short-sleeved, iirc.

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Natalie wrote:

 > I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.

Why are the dachshunds stampeding?

Because the rancher thought he had ordered 200 oxen and he was
misunderstood on the cell phone. I particularly like the two dachshunds
standing in the ox yoke.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >Does Marie not really know Elwood at all? I don't know.
>
> How soon you forget.  Were you lost all of MissionFest?

Is having previously met ftf a requirement for <knowing> a Wordsler?
Not in my view.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> We did Wordstock and Missionfest, but it's been years. I fall on somewhere on steph's side of the fence on this one. If he was an active wordsler, it would be different.

But Elwood is at the heart of the list.  Active has to be defined in a
different way for Elwood.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 4:32:20 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> It's not that far, either. I've driven to San Antonio to have dinner
>> with non-Wordsler friends. I'd've driven to Dallas to see Marie, but
>> noooo, she didn't even mention her trip...

> Did so.

You win! I blew you off shamelessly for no reason.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 5:21:43 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.

> Why are the dachshunds stampeding?

Because it's their job.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 5:37:56 PM, Jeff wrote:

> Natalie wrote:

>  > I like the commercial with the 200 stampeding dachsunds.

> Why are the dachshunds stampeding?

> Because the rancher thought he had ordered 200 oxen and he was
> misunderstood on the cell phone. I particularly like the two dachshunds
> standing in the ox yoke.

Yep.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 4:31:41 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I bought Tom Robbins new one for that purpose today. (Also Fast Food
> Nation and The Nanny Diaries).

I'm enjoying "Fast Food Nation" (I listen to it in the car)

> The furthest south in CA I've ever been is Santa Barbara, with
> Elwood, Karen, Bookrat, Mary Ann, and ...? for Mexican food -- which
> was much better than that crap they serve in Dallas ;-)

I think it's all crap, but that's just me...

Karen

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On Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 12:53, Anne Toal wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Good to see you posting. Has the SARS scare in Toronto cut into your
> personal life any? Or have you just decided to roll the dice, come what
> may?

Well I'm not Paul, but perhaps as I live here (little choice about
rolling the dice) - I may be permitted to reply with an observation
or two.

1) The SARS "thing" has been around (here) for what - a month now,
and for the first time last week I saw two people wearing masks. This
was on the subway, and I could see people sort of edging around them,
but otherwise peoples' behaviour doesn't seem much different. Much
talk but little action. Iow, in my day-to-day life I just haven't
seen any great evidence of people being scared or otherwise acting
differently. But see below...

2) The wife of a cow-orker was placed in isolation at home a couple
of weeks ago because she had visited a hospital where there had been
a case of SARS. It was uneventful, but she did get called daily by
the public health people "just checking on how you're feeling".

3) The management of this office building has just yesterday
installed dispensers of alcohol gel (that smelly stuff used in
hospitals) in all the washrooms. You can tell who uses it as you pass
them in the lobby by the alcoholic/lemon smell.

4) Barbara and I went to a Chinese restaurant downtown last weekend.
It's a sad situation - Spadina Avenue was nearly deserted on a warm
Saturday evening at 8 PM! We were ceremoniously seated right in the
window, and couldn't help but notice that the usual ratio of Chinese-
looking to western looking people had gone from 80:20 to 20:80 or so.
For whatever reasons, it's the Chinese who are staying home. Walking
around afterwards, we saw several completey empty restaurants with
the ataff playing cards or watching TV inside, and not a one that was
even close to full.

5) There seems to be a split between those who think the WHO travel
warning was ill advised, political nonsense ("they had to have a
western country on the list to placate China"), and those who think
it was wise, "about time", etc. That they've lifted it so quickly on
no relevent new evidence certainly suggests the former, but I don't
really know how to evaluate it. Certainly this is no "Enemy of the
People" sort of thing, despite the air of civic boosterism. There are
daily MOH press conferences and the like, and there is no general
feeling of anything being suppressed or delayed. Whether there's been
incompetence - massive or merely minor - is not clear; I think we
just got unlucky. That early initial case could've just well been in
a US or European city, and I doubt they would've fared any better.
But would the WHO ever have dared to issue a travel ban on London or
San Francisco? I think not.

6) Our mayor is an idiot. Well, we all knew this, but it really hurts
to have a buffoon out there making his usual local idiocies public
for all the world to see. Thankfully he's gone in November.

7) The economic fallout from the WHO thing will last a long time. I
bet CNN et al didn't carry the unwarning the way they did the
warning, with the result that people around the world probably have a
view of Toronto as some pestilential little place best avoided for
all time. This is very sad. The good news is that airlines, hotels,
and just about
everything else are gearing up all kinds of Great Deals for tourists,
so this may well be the spring/summer to visit, for anyone so
interested.

8) It's an interesting question as to whether the WHO can be sued
under any legal theory. They may have some sort of sovereign immunity
or the like, but I'm betting there's legal talent investigating this
in depth. Certainly words have consequences, and it may be that they
need to learn this the hard way.

Tony H.

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At 06:01 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > We did Wordstock and Missionfest, but it's been years. I fall on
> somewhere on steph's side of the fence on this one. If he was an active
> wordsler, it would be different.
>
>But Elwood is at the heart of the list.  Active has to be defined in a
>different way for Elwood.

Elwood still reads when he can get to the archives. We still see them when
they come up for the shows.

Betty

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Jeff wrote:

> Because the rancher thought he had ordered 200 oxen and he was
> misunderstood on the cell phone. I particularly like the two dachshunds
> standing in the ox yoke.

That does sound familiar.  I think I've seen it.  I saw several of those
cell-phone ads back at some point.  What would I have been watching?
Maybe it was back when our basketball team was doing ok and I was
watching basketball.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm enjoying "Fast Food Nation" (I listen to it in the car)

That's the book I bought in the Helsinki airport in case my other book
ran out too soon and I was stuck bookless on the plane.  I started
reading it and found it kind of boring.  I'm sure I mentioned it here.
I remember saying "did y'all know [whatever -- can't remember what it
was now]?" and having several responses saying that it was well known
and that I was stupid for not having known it before.  I also remember
saying that that book was the kind that would probably take me forever
to read because I wasn't finding it <compelling> -- that it was the kind
of book I'd read a few pages of and then put aside and pick up again a
long time later.  I think I was on page thirty or so when I last put it
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Tony Harminc wrote:

> incompetence - massive or merely minor - is not clear; I think we
> just got unlucky. That early initial case could've just well been in
> a US or European city, and I doubt they would've fared any better.
> But would the WHO ever have dared to issue a travel ban on London or
> San Francisco? I think not.

I think it's obvious that Toronto was just unlucky in that that early
case landed there.  But I don't know why you'd think the WHO would issue
a travel ban on Toronto more readily than on London or SF.  (But then I
don't know much about the WHO.)

> 7) The economic fallout from the WHO thing will last a long time. I
> bet CNN et al didn't carry the unwarning the way they did the
> warning,

Fwiw, I heard the unwarning in very much the same way as I heard the
warning -- on NPR driving to work, with the same amount of emphasis on
both the warning and the unwarning.

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At 06:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
>who think that NYC is all there is to New York

Yeah---sort of like northern Californians referring to the Bay Area---as if
SF Bay was the only one on the continent.

cwv

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On Monday, April 28, 2003 at 17:30, Rita Chapman wrote:

> > So would you find MBFGW any less good if you knew about the Toronto
> > setting? (Or Winnipeg for that matter?) Does every film have to be
> > part of the American Dream?
>

>         No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
> that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
> think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).

This sounded doubtful to me - Montreal having more Greeks than all of
Ontario? - but who knows. So I did a little research at
http://statcan.ca and http://census.gov and came up with some
numbers. It's hard to compare these things, because the Canadian and
US census questions are different, and for all sorts of other
reasons, but here goes:

The Canadian question is "ethnic origins", and it is open ended. I've
stopped reporting after "Greek" in each case, but there are many
more. (They don't list percents, and I'm not sufficiently motivated
to do the spreadsheet stuff beyond the Greeks.) For the Toronto CMA
(Census Metropolitan Area), the top responses are:

Toronto
Total population  4,647,960
Canadian            861,945
English             783,770
Scottish            517,115
Irish               487,210
Chinese              435,685
Italian             429,380
East Indian         345,855
French              220,540
German              220,135
Portuguese          171,545
Polish              166,700
Jewish              161,215
Jamaican            150,840
Filipino            140,405
Ukrainian           104,490
Dutch (Netherlands)  85,860
Greek                85,375   1.84%

For Montreal it's:
Total population  3,380,645
Canadian          1,885,085
French              900,485
Italian              224,460
Irish               161,235
English              134,115
Scottish             94,705
Jewish               80,390
Haitian               69,945
Chinese               57,655
Greek                55,865   1.65%

For amusement, the Winnipeg numbers (edited) are:
Total population    661,730
English             146,545
Canadian            144,800
Scottish            117,920
German              109,355
Ukrainian           102,635
French               90,440
Irish                88,310
Polish               51,355
North American Indian33,710
Métis                31,545
Filipino             31,210
Dutch (Netherlands)  25,775
Italian              16,100
Russian              15,350
Icelandic            14,930
Jewish               14,440
Chinese              13,075
East Indian          11,520
Swedish              11,500
Portuguese           10,315
Welsh                 9,860
Greek                 2,560   0.386%

For the US the closest question is "ancestry", and I've assumed "Cook
County" is a closer match to the Canadian CMA data than "Chicago
City". The data (they do list percents):

Cook County
ANCESTRY (single or multiple)

Total population  5,376,741     100.0%
Other ancestries  2,600,648   48.4
German              611,008   11.4
Irish               545,518   10.1
English             179,242    3.3
Czech                67,690    1.3
French (except Basque) 66,160  1.2
Greek                56,579    1.1

So there are more Greeks (loosely defined) in both absolute and
percentage terms in Toronto than either Montreal or Chicago, and
about the same absolute numbers in Montreal and Chicago, although a
smaller percentage in Chicago because of its larger population. As
for Winnipeg, there are more of almost everyone else than Greeks.

There are plenty of amusing differences between the US and CA
results, e.g. the US census lists "French Canadian" as an ancestry,
but not English Canadian or plain Canadian. The Canadian one lists
American (USA), but the numbers aren't that high. And the US has the
bizarre "Hispanic" thing, whatever the significance of that is.

>         Besides, everything is filmed in Canada nowadays, it seems.

But almost all the stuff that's filmed in Canada isn't *set* in
Canada. That's my gripe. Are Americans really unwilling to watch a
movie set in Canada?

Tony H.

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At 07:48 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>>It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
>>who think that NYC is all there is to New York
>
>Yeah---sort of like northern Californians referring to the Bay Area---as if
>SF Bay was the only one on the continent.

But she was talking about California!

Betty

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
> >who think that NYC is all there is to New York
>
> Yeah---sort of like northern Californians referring to the Bay Area---as if
> SF Bay was the only one on the continent.

I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
"The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.  It's not
as if we think it's the only coast in the world.  It's just that that is
a well-known label within the state.  (Some people say that Mississippi
consists of three distinct areas:  The Delta, The Coast, and Everywhere
Else.  There may be some truth to that.)

But that's not really the same thing as what clo was talking about.  Re
people thinking that NYC is all there is to NY, I think it's just that
many tourists want to visit NYC.  They might find other areas of the
state quite wonderful, but they are no more likely to go to them than
they are to many wonderful areas in many other states.

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PS:  I think that the attitude clo was referring to would be closer to
the idea of "the Bay Area" as the only Bay area in the world or "the
Coast" as the only coast in the world if somebody said NY instead of
NYC.  And many people do that.

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> But almost all the stuff that's filmed in Canada isn't *set* in
> Canada. That's my gripe. Are Americans really unwilling to watch a
> movie set in Canada?

I don't think it's an unwillingness of Americans to watch movies set in
Canada.  I think it's that most of the books/scripts written don't
happen to be set in Canada.  I'm not convinced that the writers are
doing that because they think the audience wouldn't want to read/watch
something set in Canada.  ("Down in the Delta," the movie filmed in
Canada that I mentioned recently, would have had to be a totally
different kind of movie to be set in Canada.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> > >It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
> > >who think that NYC is all there is to New York
> >
> > Yeah---sort of like northern Californians referring to the Bay Area---as if
> > SF Bay was the only one on the continent.
>
> I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
> makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
> like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
> "The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
> Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.  It's not
> as if we think it's the only coast in the world.  It's just that that is
> a well-known label within the state.  (Some people say that Mississippi
> consists of three distinct areas:  The Delta, The Coast, and Everywhere
> Else.  There may be some truth to that.)
>
> But that's not really the same thing as what clo was talking about.  Re
> people thinking that NYC is all there is to NY, I think it's just that
> many tourists want to visit NYC.  They might find other areas of the
> state quite wonderful, but they are no more likely to go to them than
> they are to many wonderful areas in many other states.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

It's not just that. NYC tends to vote democrat; upstate tends to
vote republican. There are all sorts of resource allocation issues.
NYC is hyper-urban; upstate is predominantly placidly rural.
The cities upstate have a hard time with urban blight and industrial
flight; but getting assistance in combatting it is difficult because
NYC is perennially in some super-crisis.

And the biggest aggravation may be that places within an hour's
drive of NYC (what we call "Downstate") are referred to as "upstate"
by people in the city <and> by people like the Clintons, but the
entire rest of the state is rarely mentioned. Upstaters consider
Westchester just an extension of that NJ suburb I was referencing
before - and the Paved State can have it, for all they care!
clo

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 07:48 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >At 06:39 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> >>It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
> >>who think that NYC is all there is to New York
> >
> >Yeah---sort of like northern Californians referring to the Bay Area---as if
> >SF Bay was the only one on the continent.
>
> But she was talking about California!
>
> Betty

No, now I'm talking about CA. At first, I was asking
"what is the Nyc of which you speak?",

reacting to the notion that going twice to NYC is better
than going once there and once somewhere else more interesting.

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> PS:  I think that the attitude clo was referring to would be closer to
> the idea of "the Bay Area" as the only Bay area in the world or "the
> Coast" as the only coast in the world if somebody said NY instead of
> NYC.  And many people do that.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Yes!
Or say,

"the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
clo

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At 07:50 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:05:41 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
> > makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
> > like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
> > "The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
> > Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.
>
>But the audience must be more clearly defined than 'Californians'...
>Maybe not for The Bay Area but for South Bay. In SoCal, it means South
>Santa Monica Bay. In NoCal, it means... oh, south of San Mateo, I
>guess. Somewhere around htere.

there.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:07:51 PM, Betty wrote:
> Our cat ruined our screened patio door. She ended up making it a kitty door
> so that she could go in and out without our assistance.

Too many bugs here for that.

Karen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> >> =
> >> = The message I got from that was this: if you want to convince people you're
> >> = an old-timer, you call it sequel.  If you want to convince people you're a
> >> = young turk, sneer at codgers who call it sequel.
> >> =
> >>
> >> Yes, but then what do they call it?
> >> steph
> >> surrounded by old fart wannabees
> >
> >Ess Cue Ell. Of course. Geez, young turk wannabes can't work out the
> >simplest details. Send 'em back to Cold Fusion Boot Camp.
>
> Hey - I have said Ess Cue Ell for more than twenty years!
>
> Espen

Was it you who started that?
clo

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At 08:22 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > PS:  I think that the attitude clo was referring to would be closer to
> > the idea of "the Bay Area" as the only Bay area in the world or "the
> > Coast" as the only coast in the world if somebody said NY instead of
> > NYC.  And many people do that.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>Yes!
>Or say,
>
>"the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
>clo

It only upsets people who are really tight assed.

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 08:22 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >
> > > PS:  I think that the attitude clo was referring to would be closer to
> > > the idea of "the Bay Area" as the only Bay area in the world or "the
> > > Coast" as the only coast in the world if somebody said NY instead of
> > > NYC.  And many people do that.
> > >
> > > --
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
> >
> >Yes!
> >Or say,
> >
> >"the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
> >clo
>
> It only upsets people who are really tight assed.

LOL!
I sure am learning a lot from y'all
clo

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At 05:33 PM 4/30/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>>"the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
>>clo
>
>It only upsets people who are really tight assed.

Rather, it amuses those who view such use as a quaint conceit.

cwv

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>> > >What is this "Nyc" of which you speak?
>> >
>> > That's a joke, right?
>> >
>It's a joke, up here. Upstate New Yorkers get really tired of people
>who think that NYC is all there is to New York (especially senator

That's why some of say NYC instead of NY.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > My wbn friend is an ex-beekeeper, it turns out. His suggestion is "poison
> > them". I was sorry to hear it.
>
> I'm still pondering the methodology required -- like how I will be able
> to get Sevin onto swarming bees.  I don't want to bother the nice
> entomologist again to ask him that.
>
You might use a smoker thingy - a wide area dispenser. Let me restate.
One method is to use the kind of pump dispenser that people used to
use for all kinds of pesticides and garden applications before aerosols.

If Home Depot lets you down in this department, the local beekeepers
and local pest removal experts will both have kinds of tools/chemicals
that will work, and can point you to sources. Be careful - long sleeved
shirts with tight neck and wrists, long pants and socks over the
openings, and a bandanna over your hair as well as a mask against
inhaling the stuff.  This is partly because the bees may get excited as
you start to spray, and you don't want to give them inviting openings
to your get caught in (like loose hair, or cuffs), and partly because
if the wind changes you'll risk getting the stuff on yourself.

Oh- and in spite of your experience that bees are buzzing in and out
all day, the dawn and dusk commutes are really the highest traffic
times right in front of the hive entrances. So those are good times to
do the spraying.

Good luck!

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > My wbn friend is an ex-beekeeper, it turns out. His suggestion is "poison
> > them". I was sorry to hear it.
>
> I'm still pondering the methodology required -- like how I will be able
> to get Sevin onto swarming bees.  I don't want to bother the nice
> entomologist again to ask him that.
>
> > centers to read / sing to an audience of very enthusiastic community
> > members from both sides of the tracks. Hope he makes a go of it.
>
> Though not exactly parallel, this reminds me of an interesting setting
> in Starkville of frequent poetry readings and slams:  a bar attached to
> a rather sleazy motel on Hwy 82 (the major hwy through Starkville --
> meaning travelers of all kinds might be on it), the kind of motel likely
> to attract <rednecky> sorts.  It's interesting to me to think about a
> bar/restaurant full of poets and rednecks hunkered up together with
> poetry being read.

Ever heard Cowboy Poetry? I could see it.

clo

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At 08:31 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 05:33 PM 4/30/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>>"the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
>>>clo
>>
>>It only upsets people who are really tight assed.
>
>Rather, it amuses those who view such use as a quaint conceit.

I have never felt a need to be conceited about where I live and wasn't
directing my comment to you, btw.  People refer to San Francisco as "The
City" when they speak around here, too.  We joke about right coast and
wrong coast but that is all it is-a joke.  At least to me.  Texans seem to
be most defensive and I never got that either.

Betty

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:05:41 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
> makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
> like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
> "The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
> Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.

But the audience must be more clearly defined than 'Californians'...
Maybe not for The Bay Area but for South Bay. In SoCal, it means South
Santa Monica Bay. In NoCal, it means... oh, south of San Mateo, I
guess. Somewhere around htere.

Karen

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Just found out my friend Andrius will be driving from San Diego to Stanford
around May 5th.  Too bad the timing isn't a little closer, Carolyn!

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
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> Just found out my friend Andrius will be driving from San Diego to Stanford
> around May 5th.  Too bad the timing isn't a little closer, Carolyn!
>
> Pete

Isn't it always the way!
clo

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:42:38 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Ever heard Cowboy Poetry? I could see it.

Yes, I like CP!

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@optonline.net>
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Dining questions

> > It's not that far, either. I've driven to San Antonio to have dinner
> > with non-Wordsler friends. I'd've driven to Dallas to see Marie, but
> > noooo, she didn't even mention her trip...
>
> Did so.

First this gem:

Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:24:00 -0400
From:         Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Especially "I'll be your cashier" ... CASHIER? Who the hell
>is supposed to say that?

You are sufficiently like me.

Must be a Texas thing. I'll keep my ears open when I'm in Dallas next month.
Speaking of which, aht, where do you suggest for the best ____ (anything) in
the vicinity of the Adam's Mark Hotel?

Marie

Followed by:

Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:41:42 -0700
From:         Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Guys

Marie Ascher said:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >Especially "I'll be your cashier" ... CASHIER? Who the hell
> >is supposed to say that?
>
> You are sufficiently like me.
>
> Must be a Texas thing.

I don't think so.

> I'll keep my ears open when I'm in Dallas next month.

For how long? Austin is only 3.5 hours away...

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:57:54 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 07:50 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:05:41 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
>> > makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
>> > like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
>> > "The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
>> > Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.
>>
>>But the audience must be more clearly defined than 'Californians'...
>>Maybe not for The Bay Area but for South Bay. In SoCal, it means South
>>Santa Monica Bay. In NoCal, it means... oh, south of San Mateo, I
>>guess. Somewhere around htere.

> there.

Thank you.

Karen

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At 07:53 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:57:54 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 07:50 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:05:41 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> > I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
> >> > makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
> >> > like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
> >> > "The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
> >> > Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.
> >>
> >>But the audience must be more clearly defined than 'Californians'...
> >>Maybe not for The Bay Area but for South Bay. In SoCal, it means South
> >>Santa Monica Bay. In NoCal, it means... oh, south of San Mateo, I
> >>guess. Somewhere around htere.
>
> > there.
>
>Thank you.

:-)  How is the cat?

B

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> It's not just that. NYC tends to vote democrat; upstate tends to
> vote republican. There are all sorts of resource allocation issues.
> NYC is hyper-urban; upstate is predominantly placidly rural.
> The cities upstate have a hard time with urban blight and industrial
> flight; but getting assistance in combatting it is difficult because
> NYC is perennially in some super-crisis.
>
> And the biggest aggravation may be that places within an hour's
> drive of NYC (what we call "Downstate") are referred to as "upstate"
> by people in the city <and> by people like the Clintons, but the
> entire rest of the state is rarely mentioned. Upstaters consider
> Westchester just an extension of that NJ suburb I was referencing
> before - and the Paved State can have it, for all they care!

I'm aware (though obviously not with your first-hand perspective) of the
NY problems of NYC vs the rest of the state.  My only point was that I
don't see that as parallel with somebody talking about "the Bay Area" or
"the Coast" as a label.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:02:32 PM, Betty wrote:
> How is the cat?

My cat, whose name is Burl, is pissed at me. I'm trying to train her
not to scratch on the screen--she destroyed part of it, now she's
working on another part of it. I'm telling her 'no' and spraying water
on her, but she hasn't quite gotten it yet. We're also fighting about
my right to comb her when I want to.

Karen

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> Dar Williams is one boooooooorrrrrrrriiinnnnggg performer.
>
> Marie

Yup.

I don't care much for her music, either, except for a few songs. I have
bought 3 of her albums, each time hoping I'd like the just-bought album more
than the previous ones. Such has not been the case.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 08:00 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:02:32 PM, Betty wrote:
> > How is the cat?
>
>My cat, whose name is Burl, is pissed at me. I'm trying to train her
>not to scratch on the screen--she destroyed part of it, now she's
>working on another part of it. I'm telling her 'no' and spraying water
>on her, but she hasn't quite gotten it yet. We're also fighting about
>my right to comb her when I want to.

Our cat ruined our screened patio door. She ended up making it a kitty door
so that she could go in and out without our assistance.

Betty

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Why did you decide to name the cat?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> reacting to the notion that going twice to NYC is better
> than going once there and once somewhere else more interesting.

You yourself said that you've been to NYC only once.  (Or I think that's
what you said.  I will stand corrected if mistaken about that.)  That's
sort of like Marie and Dallas.  I gather that I've spent more time in
NYC or in other parts of NY than you have spent in NYC.  I adored the
summer I spent on the northern part of Lake George -- just across the
lake from Hague -- the mailing address was Glenburnie.  And I also
liked, though not quite as much, the summer I spent in Keene Valley, NY,
with lots of beer-drinking in Lake Placid.  I've also spent shorter
amounts of time in other parts of NY -- e.g., Binghamton, Finger Lakes,
and other places in that vicinity.  I thoroughly enjoyed all those
places, but if given a choice of where to spend a week or a few days,
I'd go for NYC.  I need a big-city <fix> from time to time, and NYC is
one of my favorite places for such a fix (the other favorites being
Paris, London, and Tokyo).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 08:03 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:07:51 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Our cat ruined our screened patio door. She ended up making it a kitty door
> > so that she could go in and out without our assistance.
>
>Too many bugs here for that.

Pity.  You should move to The Bay Area.

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > Coast" as the only coast in the world if somebody said NY instead of
> > NYC.  And many people do that.

> Yes!
> Or say,
>
> "the City" as if there were only one city in the world.

I can imagine that people living in the general vicinity of NYC might
say "the City" in referring to NYC.  But I see that as like "the Bay
Area" if you live in California or "the Coast" is you live in
Mississippi (or if the context makes clear what vicinity you are talking
about).  In other parts of the country, those labels would not be
clear.  If I heard somebody say, "I'm going to take a long weekend and
go to the City," I would say "What city?"  But if somebody in Wayne, NY,
said to me that he goes into the City frequently for concerts, I would
assume NYC.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:09:20 PM, Betty wrote:
> Why did you decide to name the cat?

I didn't name her; it just became clear that that's her name.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:12:30 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 08:03 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:07:51 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Our cat ruined our screened patio door. She ended up making it a kitty door
>> > so that she could go in and out without our assistance.
>>
>>Too many bugs here for that.

> Pity.  You should move to The Bay Area.

Ha! My friend who moved there when I moved here is moving back here
again.

Karen

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> My Julie Lilac is in full bloom.  She searched long and hard
> for the most fragrant variety she could find for my mother's
> day gift, and now, four years later, it is paying off.  I've
> taken two small bouquets off it, and both my house and
> classrom are filled with my favorite scent.

I'm jealous. Lilac's my favorite floral scent, too, but none of my friends
or family have lilac bushes. The best I got last year were 2 walks in the
park while the lilac was blooming.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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I don't expect this to thrill anyone, but today
I became a Donald Rumsfeld2 bigtime, and I have a
picture to prove it.  .  Fantastic picture of him
boarding a plane today in Bagdhad . . guess whose?

                        - D. M.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>My Julie Lilac is in full bloom.  She searched long and hard
>>for the most fragrant variety she could find for my mother's
>>day gift, and now, four years later, it is paying off.  I've
>>taken two small bouquets off it, and both my house and
>>classrom are filled with my favorite scent.
>>
>
> I'm jealous. Lilac's my favorite floral scent, too, but none of my friends
> or family have lilac bushes. The best I got last year were 2 walks in the
> park while the lilac was blooming.


        I've been known to go out at night and swipe lilacs off
hedges that border the street.  The variety Julie gave me is
a little later than some.  Most of the lilacs around here
are past.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> You might use a smoker thingy - a wide area dispenser. Let me restate.
> One method is to use the kind of pump dispenser that people used to
> use for all kinds of pesticides and garden applications before aerosols.

Ahhh.  I am remiss for not having given a report.  I have already been
engaged in chemical warfare.  This afternoon I went to Wmart and bought
a duster (I think that's the word the box used) and some Sevin dust
(10%).  I came home and filled the duster and started squirting the
bees.  I was interested in how unaggressive bees are.  They didn't try
to attack me.  After a while, though, I got tired of all that spraying
-- it seemed somehow wimpy.  So I got the bag of Sevin and started
tossing handfuls of it against the tree, trying to hit the hole where
the bees live.  I think I did much more good that way.  There were still
some bees the last I looked but not nearly as many.  I should perhaps
join the Marines.

> If Home Depot lets you down in this department, the local beekeepers

You're posting urban.  We have no Home Depot.  Walmart and the Co-op are
the only sellers of such items.  There's a Lowe's in Columbus (25 miles
from Starkville).  There's also a tiny Office Depot in Columbus, but I
don't know about a Home Depot.

> inhaling the stuff.  This is partly because the bees may get excited as
> you start to spray, and you don't want to give them inviting openings
> to your get caught in (like loose hair, or cuffs), and partly because
> if the wind changes you'll risk getting the stuff on yourself.

The bees were polite (lots of excited action -- no direct attacks on
me), but I of course was covered from head to toe with Sevin after the
battle.  I did remove my clothes and take a shower.  I can still smell
the Sevin since where I'm sitting right now has an open window that is
very close to the battlefield.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Monday, April 28, 2003 at 17:30, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>So would you find MBFGW any less good if you knew about the Toronto
>>>setting? (Or Winnipeg for that matter?) Does every film have to be
>>>part of the American Dream?
>>>
>
>>        No.  It's about the hyphenization experience, which isn't
>>that different for Canadians than Americans (although I
>>think Montreal has a bigger Greek population than Ontario).
>>
>
> This sounded doubtful to me - Montreal having more Greeks than all of
> Ontario? - but who knows. So I did a little research at
> http://statcan.ca and http://census.gov and came up with some
> numbers. It's hard to compare these things, because the Canadian and
> US census questions are different, and for all sorts of other
> reasons, but here goes:
>
> The Canadian question is "ethnic origins", and it is open ended. I've
> stopped reporting after "Greek" in each case, but there are many
> more. (They don't list percents, and I'm not sufficiently motivated
> to do the spreadsheet stuff beyond the Greeks.) For the Toronto CMA
> (Census Metropolitan Area), the top responses are:
>
> Toronto
> Total population  4,647,960
> Canadian            861,945
> English             783,770
> Scottish            517,115
> Irish               487,210
> Chinese              435,685
> Italian             429,380
> East Indian         345,855
> French              220,540
> German              220,135
> Portuguese          171,545
> Polish              166,700
> Jewish              161,215
> Jamaican            150,840
> Filipino            140,405
> Ukrainian           104,490
> Dutch (Netherlands)  85,860
> Greek                85,375   1.84%
>
> For Montreal it's:
> Total population  3,380,645
> Canadian          1,885,085
> French              900,485
> Italian              224,460
> Irish               161,235
> English              134,115
> Scottish             94,705
> Jewish               80,390
> Haitian               69,945
> Chinese               57,655
> Greek                55,865   1.65%
>
> For amusement, the Winnipeg numbers (edited) are:
> Total population    661,730
> English             146,545
> Canadian            144,800
> Scottish            117,920
> German              109,355
> Ukrainian           102,635
> French               90,440
> Irish                88,310
> Polish               51,355
> North American Indian33,710
> Métis                31,545
> Filipino             31,210
> Dutch (Netherlands)  25,775
> Italian              16,100
> Russian              15,350
> Icelandic            14,930
> Jewish               14,440
> Chinese              13,075
> East Indian          11,520
> Swedish              11,500
> Portuguese           10,315
> Welsh                 9,860
> Greek                 2,560   0.386%
>
> For the US the closest question is "ancestry", and I've assumed "Cook
> County" is a closer match to the Canadian CMA data than "Chicago
> City". The data (they do list percents):
>
> Cook County
> ANCESTRY (single or multiple)
>
> Total population  5,376,741     100.0%
> Other ancestries  2,600,648   48.4
> German              611,008   11.4
> Irish               545,518   10.1
> English             179,242    3.3
> Czech                67,690    1.3
> French (except Basque) 66,160  1.2
> Greek                56,579    1.1
>
> So there are more Greeks (loosely defined) in both absolute and
> percentage terms in Toronto than either Montreal or Chicago, and
> about the same absolute numbers in Montreal and Chicago, although a
> smaller percentage in Chicago because of its larger population. As
> for Winnipeg, there are more of almost everyone else than Greeks.


UNCLE!  You're right -- Toronto has more Greeks than Montreal.


> There are plenty of amusing differences between the US and CA
> results, e.g. the US census lists "French Canadian" as an ancestry,
> but not English Canadian or plain Canadian. The Canadian one lists
> American (USA), but the numbers aren't that high. And the US has the
> bizarre "Hispanic" thing, whatever the significance of that is.


Well, I think the French Canadians have an ethnic identity
because of language.  That would be my only explanation.
Hispanic is bizarre.


>
>>        Besides, everything is filmed in Canada nowadays, it seems.
>>
>
> But almost all the stuff that's filmed in Canada isn't *set* in
> Canada. That's my gripe. Are Americans really unwilling to watch a
> movie set in Canada?
>


        I don't think Americans care.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
> > My cat, whose name is Burl, is pissed at me. I'm trying to train her
> > not to scratch on the screen--she destroyed part of it, now she's
> > working on another part of it. I'm telling her 'no' and spraying water
> > on her, but she hasn't quite gotten it yet. We're also fighting about
> > my right to comb her when I want to.

    Petronius the Arbiter made his own "cat door" as well.

    "Never try to out-stubborn a cat."   -  Lazarus Long

JMW

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Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> My cat, whose name is Burl, is pissed at me. I'm trying to train her
> not to scratch on the screen--she destroyed part of it, now she's
> working on another part of it. I'm telling her 'no' and spraying water
> on her, but she hasn't quite gotten it yet. We're also fighting about
> my right to comb her when I want to.
>

Ranger did that to our wooden screen door. I bought some super replacement
screen at Home Depot and all 17 lbs of him only sagged it a bit.  Easy to
'comb' back into shape.

Ranger is no longer with us.  I found him yesterday morning laying (sorry
Natalie if this is the wrong word, I could never 'get it')on the grass in
the back yard as if he was on his way home and literally toppled over.  A
little watery blood on his nose, no other visible signs of anything wrong.
He had just turned 8 in March.

He is sorely missed and I keep looking out the kitchen window expecting to
see him on the path mouse hunting.  He bought me one last week, meowing
loudly to come see.  I praised him and gave him some treats.  While
distracted, I disposed of the gift.  He turned surprised not to see the
critter, smelled all around and looked funny at me.  I praised him and
patted him and went inside.  A few minutes latter he was back in the path
in the same spot looking for another or maybe 'the one that got away'.
He's now in that great hunting ground in the sky.

Terry

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> Most of the lilacs around here
> are past.

Wow. Ours barely have leaves on them, the few that I've seen.

--Adam
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 7:05:41 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I think terms like that depend on the context -- as in the audience.  It
> > makes sense to me for people in California to have established a term
> > like "the Bay Area" that is understood by other Californians -- like
> > "The Coast" if referred to in Mississippi or when talking to other
> > Mississippians who are elsewhere means the Mississippi coast.
>
> But the audience must be more clearly defined than 'Californians'...
> Maybe not for The Bay Area but for South Bay. In SoCal, it means South
> Santa Monica Bay. In NoCal, it means... oh, south of San Mateo, I
> guess. Somewhere around htere.

The term given in Clyde's example was "The Bay Area."  Would somebody in
L.A. not know what that referred to?  I would certainly think terms like
South Bay or North Bay would be extremely local, though.  Using The
Coast as an example again, anybody in Mississippi would know what "The
Coast" meant.  It's a commonly used term all over the state.  But I'm
guessing that very few people outside of The Coast area would know what
"The Pass" meant, even though people all over the state know Pass
Christian and know it's on The Coast (and know how to pronounce it --
chris-chi-ANN).  It was not until I started poking around with this Bay
St. Louis interest that I learned that locals (as in people on the
Coast) refer to Pass Christian as The Pass.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:32:48 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> Ranger did that to our wooden screen door. I bought some super replacement
> screen at Home Depot and all 17 lbs of him only sagged it a bit.  Easy to
> 'comb' back into shape.

Hm. I have no idea how to replace the screening on this screen door.
Can it be done for any door?

> Ranger is no longer with us.  I found him yesterday morning laying (sorry
> Natalie if this is the wrong word, I could never 'get it')on the grass in
> the back yard as if he was on his way home and literally toppled over.  A
> little watery blood on his nose, no other visible signs of anything wrong.
> He had just turned 8 in March.

Ugh, I'm sorry. This is not a bad way to go, though--better than under
the wheels of a car.

I *am* glad that Burl doesn't hunt, except my food when I'm eating.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:34:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> The term given in Clyde's example was "The Bay Area."  Would somebody in
> L.A. not know what that referred to?

I don't know.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:32:51 PM, John Williams wrote:
>     "Never try to out-stubborn a cat."   -  Lazarus Long

Burl is, in general, quite cooperative. Particularly for a cat. She's
polite, and smart, and good at learning. And she eats garlic chicken
and beef salad. She understands that the food is mine until it hits
the floor, at which point, genetics takes over and she hunts it.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> I have never felt a need to be conceited about where I live and wasn't
> directing my comment to you, btw.  People refer to San Francisco as "The
> City" when they speak around here, too.  We joke about right coast and
> wrong coast but that is all it is-a joke.  At least to me.  Texans seem to
> be most defensive and I never got that either.

As I've said many times before, the idea of being conceited about where
one lives makes zero sense to me since I still contend (though some of
you have argued with me on this subject) that most USAers can live in
whatever part of the country they want to.  Re being defensive (and I've
never thought of Texans as exactly defensive), it is easy to be
defensive if you happen to live in and love and be a native of a state
that is unfairly attacked or is made fun of by people who have never set
foot in it and no jackshit about what life in it is like.  I am very
defensive about attacks on Mississippi, as I've said and illustrated
here many times.  I don't mind real criticisms (and make them myself)
from people who know whereof they speak.  I, like most Mississippians,
am highly pissed off by some outsider who knows nothing making critical
comments.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> My cat, whose name is Burl, is pissed at me. I'm trying to train her

When did Nameless turn into Burl??

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:07:51 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Our cat ruined our screened patio door. She ended up making it a kitty door
> > so that she could go in and out without our assistance.
>
> Too many bugs here for that.

I had a guard-thing on the screen part of my stormdoor in my old house
that prevented such things.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:09:20 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Why did you decide to name the cat?
>
> I didn't name her; it just became clear that that's her name.

That's the way it should be.  Spencer would not be Spencer if the gods
had had their way.  I'm convinced of it.  But he had already had such a
traumatic past that I didn't want to undo the naming of him that the
Humane Society person had done several weeks before I met him.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I don't expect this to thrill anyone, but today
> I became a Donald Rumsfeld2 bigtime, and I have a
> picture to prove it.  .  Fantastic picture of him
> boarding a plane today in Bagdhad . . guess whose?

I can guess whose, but I'm intrigued by the details.  How far did that
plane Rummy boarded in Baghdad fly?  Like all the way home??  That's
something I've been thinking about constantly lately -- as in waiting
for word of The Return.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Terry Wild wrote:

> Ranger is no longer with us.  I found him yesterday morning laying (sorry
> Natalie if this is the wrong word, I could never 'get it')on the grass in

If you have to worry about "getting it," then it's not grammar for you
-- it's usage.  And what's "right" or "wrong" is linguistic etiquette,
not anything <ironclad>.  "Right and wrong" make sense only when
studying a foreign language.  At your age, "laying" is probably more
appropriate than "lying."  Never mind that it's like fingernails on a
blackboard to me, which I've mentioned before.  That's my personal
problem, definitely not my reaction as a linguist.

But mainly I am upset about Ranger.  You very much have my sympathy.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > I don't expect this to thrill anyone, but today
> > I became a Donald Rumsfeld2 bigtime, and I have a
> > picture to prove it.  .  Fantastic picture of him
> > boarding a plane today in Bagdhad . . guess whose?
>
> I can guess whose, but I'm intrigued by the details.  How far did that
> plane Rummy boarded in Baghdad fly?  Like all the way home??  That's
> something I've been thinking about constantly lately -- as in waiting
> for word of The Return.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Not all the way home.  Didn't get any details, but read online
that when R left Baghdad today he went to Kuwait.  Don't know
whether Tom flew him both in and out or just out.  He had wierd
hours today because of it and was tired and on his way to bed when he
emailed the picture, with no commentary.

                        - D. M.

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--On Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:36 PM -0500 Karen Kay
<Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> Ugh, I'm sorry. This is not a bad way to go, though--better than under
> the wheels of a car.

I agree.  There is also closure for all of us, unlike the last dog who just
disappeared without a trace.

Upon rereading my note, I realized I wrote bought instead of brought. A
different take, but he did indeed bring not buy the mouse.

Terry

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Not all the way home.  Didn't get any details, but read online
> that when R left Baghdad today he went to Kuwait.

I didn't really think it likely that it would have been all the way
home, but I thought about that because I have indeed been thinking quite
a bit lately about when Tom will get home.

>  Don't know
> whether Tom flew him both in and out or just out.  He had wierd
> hours today because of it and was tired and on his way to bed when he
> emailed the picture, with no commentary.

I've often during this war about how great e-mail is.  I had already
thought e-mail was great, of course, but I've been thinking about how
great it is for the troops to have access to.

Re Rummy and flying home, that's something else I have thought about
many times before, not just in relation to war.  In fact, I think I've
mentioned this on the list before.  I know about Airforce 1 and Airforce
2, of course, but what I've wondered about is who gets to fly how.  The
Pres and the VP obviously fly in special planes.  But how far down the
line does specialness go?  Like when Colin Powell hops off to all these
meetings, how does he fly?  Military planes I'm guessing -- just not
designated AF1 or AF2 when it gets below the Pres and VP.  But what
about if you are somebody slightly farther down the status line?  Like
where is the line drawn between special military flights vs commercial
flights?

Actually, I think the question I asked earlier here wasn't about planes
but was about passports.  Like does Colin Powell have to show a
passport?  What about somebody like CP's special assistant?

I do know that <important people> get special treatment.  I've told
before about that amazing time when my friends and I were escorted
around the customs counters in Atlanta because the MP in London called
then-Senator Stennis and told him to tell the customs people in Atlanta
that we were bringing gifts from the MP (whose name I've forgotten) to
Stennis.  We said to the MP, while drinking tea and eating <biscuits> in
his office, when he handed us some wrapped packages for Stennis that we
weren't sure what the customs people would think.  He laughed and said
he'd call Stennis and have him call the customs people and that all
would be fine.  And that was true.  As we were getting off the plane, we
were paged.  A Delta man came up to escort us around customs.  We
could've been smuggling the crown jewels.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 04/30/2003 8:33:33 PM Central Daylight Time, twild@URI.EDU
writes:

<<
Ranger is no longer with us.  I found him yesterday morning laying (sorry
Natalie if this is the wrong word, I could never 'get it')on the grass in
the back yard as if he was on his way home and literally toppled over.
>>

I'm sorry.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>  At your age, "laying" is probably more
> appropriate than "lying."  Never mind that it's like fingernails on a
> blackboard to me, which I've mentioned before.

Umm, I just need more thought about it when I use it, of course all grammar
aside, no one seems to 'use' it correctly so it sounds funny the other way.
I've now said it way too many times to myself they both sound funny.  I've
also got some stupid lyrics in my head now about 'lay down and die'.  I
think I'd rather have Pink lyrics in there.
>
> But mainly I am upset about Ranger.  You very much have my sympathy.
>
Thanks, an appropriate ceremony was performed and the children, especially
Lillia, are doing there best to go on.  Due to the enjoyment of the warm
and fuzzy and the exploding varmit population, I'm sure a small feline will
find its way to the homestead by summer.

We now have the distraction of Turkey-time.  The gal was spotted Sat.
afternoon and this am. She was on the back lawn preening herself today.  I
don't believe Sheba saw/heard her.  Being chased by a hen once was enough
for her.  She watches from her bed on the porch.

Terry

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Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> Hm. I have no idea how to replace the screening on this screen door.
> Can it be done for any door?
>


 I don't know.  My wooden door has screen cloth and a rubber cord which
fits into a groove all around the door to hold it in.  I have no knowledge
about metal doors.

Terry

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> I'm sorry.
>
> Evelyn Duncan


Thanks, Evelyn.

What are your plans for school?  Are you close to finishing?

Terry

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>
> I've often during this war about how great e-mail is.  I had already
> thought e-mail was great, of course, but I've been thinking about how
> great it is for the troops to have access to.

I heard some guys interviewed on TV who were just
arriving home to Camp So-and-So, and they all said
they couldn't have made it without email.  There were
so many cases of babies being born, and they were
able to receive pictures immediately.
>
> Re Rummy and flying home, that's something else I have thought about
> many times before, not just in relation to war.  In fact, I think I've
> mentioned this on the list before.  I know about Airforce 1 and
Airforce
> 2, of course, but what I've wondered about is who gets to fly how.
The
> Pres and the VP obviously fly in special planes.  But how far down the
> line does specialness go?  Like when Colin Powell hops off to all
these
> meetings, how does he fly?  Military planes I'm guessing -- just not
> designated AF1 or AF2 when it gets below the Pres and VP.  But what
> about if you are somebody slightly farther down the status line?  Like
> where is the line drawn between special military flights vs commercial
> flights?

Don't know those answers.  I do know that those who
hop a flight with Tom don't have any comfort.  The plane
is used to move troops and equipment, and the inside is
just one big barn with benches along the side.  He can
put three small helicopters in there.

                     - D. M.
>
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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> But almost all the stuff that's filmed in Canada isn't *set* in
> Canada. That's my gripe. Are Americans really unwilling to watch a
> movie set in Canada?

The movie Exotica was indiscernible from an American movie until the man
handed the babysitter the money. It was obviously not American money, but
what the sam hill was it? Must be play money. This is one of them low budget
art flicks.

That basically sums the attitude up. Unless the point of the movie is
something pointedly Canadian, like a historical movie or something poking
fun at Canadian things, there is no popular idea of what constitutes
"Canadian-ness." Are Americans unwilling to watch a movie set in Canada? No,
but why would they seek one out? You look and act like Americans, so shows
filmed in Canada either are assumed to be American, like X-Files, or that
anodyne otherworld that the vampire show starring John Rhys-Davies
inhabited. Like Babe or The Matrix, which were filmed in New Zealand but
could have been anywhere, the Canadian shows we see are sort of
locationless.

Could The A-Team have been filmed in Canada? I pity the foo who thinks so!

-aht

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In a message dated 04/30/2003 9:37:24 PM Central Daylight Time, twild@URI.EDU
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<<
What are your plans for school?  Are you close to finishing?

>>

Due to having a full-time job and the woes of Tulsa Transit
(which isn't worth a bucket of slime), I've had to give up on
school and am taking a correspondence course in accounting.

TT has halved the number of bus routes, eliminated the routes
taking Mom to her doctor and to the hospital, and has announced
another round of route reductions.

Evelyn Duncan
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Terry Wild wrote:

> also got some stupid lyrics in my head now about 'lay down and die'.  I

I think I might have mentioned before that the phrase "lay in wait"
doesn't sound odd to me, though all other uses of intransitive lay do.

Speaking of language change, I heard somebody in a <highish position>
recently say something like "to Tom and I."  I can't remember
who/when/context/whatever.  I just remember thinking, "Yes, indeed.  We
are in a period re pronoun cases not unlike the Renaissance, when ye/you
and thou/thee case distinctions were rapidly vanishing."  But in the
current scene, it seems so far to be with compounds only.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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In a message dated 04/30/2003 7:22:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

<<
"the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
clo

>>

Isn't that London's financial district?

Evelyn Duncan
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I'm jealous. Lilac's my favorite floral scent, too, but none of my friends

floral scent!

You talk funny.

Ann

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:05:33 -0500
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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:50:23 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> My cat, whose name is Burl, is pissed at me. I'm trying to train her

> When did Nameless turn into Burl??

She was never Nameless.

She became Burl a few weeks ago.

Karen

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:52:32 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:07:51 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Our cat ruined our screened patio door. She ended up making it a kitty door
>> > so that she could go in and out without our assistance.
>>
>> Too many bugs here for that.

> I had a guard-thing on the screen part of my stormdoor in my old house
> that prevented such things.

Can you explain further?

Karen

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At 08:23 PM 4/30/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>=
>= Next week: San Diego.
>=
>= Marie
>
>Last November when we were staying at my dad's we went to the
>ugly Mexican restaurant on Garnet (as opposed to the trendy
>looking one with the sculptury sign).  It's on your left as you
>are heading towards the beach, but I don't remember how far down.
>It's got a bit of a parking lot first, and then the restaurant.  It's
>painted red and yellow or some such nonsense.
>
>There's a Trader Joe's on Garnet too if you want to make Karen
>jealous.
>
>The Rubio's are quite sanitized looking in comparison, but the
>thing to get there is a fish taco.  They're all over the place.

Casa Machado at Montgomery Field (off Aero Drive at Sandrock Rd.)


BB

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:25:58 -0400
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--On Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:54 PM -0400 Evelyn Duncan
<BrandyKitt@aol.com> wrote:

> Due to having a full-time job and the woes of Tulsa Transit
> (which isn't worth a bucket of slime), I've had to give up on
> school and am taking a correspondence course in accounting.

I'm glad you're finding a way to stay connected and challenged.

Too bad about the busses, darn inconvenient!

Terry

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In a message dated 04/30/2003 10:26:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
twild@URI.EDU writes:

<<
Too bad about the busses, darn inconvenient!

>>

I know.  The same bus that would take Mom to her doctor
used to take us to the Farm shopping center.  Mom would
get some material at Hancock Fabrics, and then we would
go to Wendy's to eat out.  We can still go to the hospital
by taking the bus to Wal-Mart, transferring to bus that goes
downtown, and then transferring to the bus that still goes
to the hospital.  Before, it was just one bus that would take
us the one mile west and one mile north to the hospital.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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>> >Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
>> >to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
>> >Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).
>> >
>> >Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
>>
>> Too far south.  Come up north.
>>
>> Betty
>
>Now why does it not surprise me that I would be the one to
>drive? How far up north? I am not familiar with CA geography.
>clo

The SF Bay area is about 8 hour's drive, and a world away, from Los
Angeles.  The distance is comparable to the drive between Syracuse, NY, and
Pittsburgh, PA.  When you're in LA, you're about as close to JMW in Mesa,
AZ, as you are to the SF Bay Area.

Meaning no offence, clo, but I get the impression that your map-sense is
quite a bit like my father's was, by which I mean, and again I mean this in
the best sense possible:

Before you buy plane tickets, or train tickets, or make driving/travel
plans: don't hesitate to ask the list first.  We are here for you.

Ken Miller
Bellman School of Cartography

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At 08:19 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>And the biggest aggravation may be that places within an hour's
>drive of NYC (what we call "Downstate") are referred to as "upstate"
>by people in the city

Yeah, I went to college in Canton, and we considered Syracuse "downstate."

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At 09:36 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 8:32:48 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
>
>Hm. I have no idea how to replace the screening on this screen door.
>Can it be done for any door?

Sure, I've done it tons of times because of our bearded collie. If you
don't feel up to it, a glass shop or picture framing shop should be able to
handle it, no problem.

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>Terry Wild wrote:
>  At your age, "laying" is probably more
>appropriate than "lying."  Never mind that it's like fingernails on a
>blackboard to me, which I've mentioned before.

In a similar vein, why can't anyone--particularly baseball announcers--say
"dived" instead of "dove"?

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>I don't know.  My wooden door has screen cloth and a rubber cord which
>fits into a groove all around the door to hold it in.  I have no knowledge
>about metal doors.
>
>Terry

Most metal doors also have a groove and a rubber gasket that you embed with
a screening wheel.

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The other day I promised to share a photo of my twin brother following his
recent makeover for a one-act play. I just received it and must say I did a
double-take--almost didn't recognize him.

You can compare our current looks at:

http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/doug_jeff.jpg

I don't think too many people will confuse us now!

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=
= Casa Machado at Montgomery Field (off Aero Drive at Sandrock Rd.)
=
=
= BB

WTF were you doing out there?

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Jeff:
= >I don't know.  My wooden door has screen cloth and a rubber cord which
= >fits into a groove all around the door to hold it in.  I have no knowledge
= >about metal doors.
= >
= >Terry
=
= Most metal doors also have a groove and a rubber gasket that you embed with
= a screening wheel.

I think I told Karen this the first time she mentioned it, but
not nearly as succinctly.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 1:06:40 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Adds to my knowledge of certain realia :)
>
> Are there Estonian rednecks?

If there are they are somehow different, I guess. Or much different. For how
they became rednecks must be much different from the stories of rednecks in
West. They hardly have any job, I think. I do not know where they live in
winter. It must be difficult for them to get occasional job, too, but the
group I refer here to are not thiefs. So they must earn their living by
occasional jobs. They also pick beer bottles, I think they pick also other
things thrown away and try to sell them. They are rather, or quite asocial, so
to say, I often think how they manage, and what if I were in a similar
situation for losing work several times, and having no relatives or friends to
help me, or being too proud to ask for any help. So, many of these people have
been in a situation in which they do not find other way. Yet it must be at
least half voluntary to lead such a life.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I thought of you, Kristin, when I saw a book about Estonian knitting
> on the web. I don't know why it's special, though. Do you?

The patterns must be what can be called special. Relief knitting is not
traditional here -- if we speak of traditions more than a century ago, whereas
it is rather popular now.  But coloured patterns for mittens and stockings are
traditional. And knitted lace at some regions, I guess with Scandinavian
influence, for shawls.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I don't expect this to thrill anyone, but today
> I became a Donald Rumsfeld2 bigtime, and I have a
> picture to prove it.  .  Fantastic picture of him
> boarding a plane today in Bagdhad . . guess whose?

O!

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> "the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
> clo
> >>
>
> Isn't that London's financial district?

Yes.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I had a guard-thing on the screen part of my stormdoor in my old house
> > that prevented such things.
>
> Can you explain further?

It's sort of like a burglar guard, as in what you sometimes see covering
windows, though in this case much lighter in weight and not intended to
deter burglars.  It's a grill-like thing that you put on the bottom of
the door to cover the screen -- as in not totally cover it -- a dog or
cat could presumably poke a paw through one of its open areas, but that
wouldn't be likely.  I surely have a picture of it somewhere -- not a
picture taken to show that door but a picture that happens to include
that door.  But no doubt not online -- not scanned -- and my scanner is
still in the closet floor, where it has lived ever since I got the
digital camera.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I had a guard-thing on the screen part of my stormdoor in my old house
> > that prevented such things.
>
> Can you explain further?

Here's one that's designed for an RV but that shows the general idea:

http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=9462


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Jeff wrote:

> >  At your age, "laying" is probably more
> >appropriate than "lying."  Never mind that it's like fingernails on a
> >blackboard to me, which I've mentioned before.
>
> In a similar vein, why can't anyone--particularly baseball announcers--say
> "dived" instead of "dove"?

Because dove has been taking over for many years now and is the form
probably the majority of people (at least in US English -- don't know
about all English) acquire as part of their native grammars.

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Jeff wrote:

> You can compare our current looks at:
>
> http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/doug_jeff.jpg
>
> I don't think too many people will confuse us now!

You're right -- except that if you look closely and think about it, you
do indeed look very, very much alike.  I'm also fascinated at how
different you look in this picture from in the picture we looked at a
few days ago.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Are there Estonian rednecks?
>
> If there are they are somehow different, I guess. Or much different. For how
> they became rednecks must be much different from the stories of rednecks in
> West. They hardly have any job, I think. I do not know where they live in
> winter. It must be difficult for them to get occasional job, too, but the
> group I refer here to are not thiefs. So they must earn their living by
> occasional jobs. They also pick beer bottles, I think they pick also other
> things thrown away and try to sell them. They are rather, or quite asocial, so
> to say, I often think how they manage, and what if I were in a similar
> situation for losing work several times, and having no relatives or friends to
> help me, or being too proud to ask for any help. So, many of these people have
> been in a situation in which they do not find other way. Yet it must be at
> least half voluntary to lead such a life.

Here we get into the question of what "redneck" really means (an
often-debated question).  The people you describe above don't
necessarily sound like what I think of as rednecks.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Here we get into the question of what "redneck" really means (an
> often-debated question).  The people you describe above don't
> necessarily sound like what I think of as rednecks.

Yes, I was thinking so, too, especially after I had sent the message. I tried to
describe people who spend much of their time outdoors, whereas *not* because of
their healthy manners, and who may have something slightly common with the
characteristics mentioned in the definitive list Doris sent. But they are very much
different, though.

Kristin

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>
>We did Wordstock and Missionfest, but it's been years. I fall on somewhere
>on steph's side of the fence on this one. If he was an active wordsler, it
>would be different. Even then...In any case I'm pretty tied up while I'm
>in San Diego, then *uc* is flying out and we're doing another night (and
>the zoo) before driving up to Santa Monica -- and seeing some LA <friends>
>-- also Universal Studios, and I want to just crash out on the beach a
>bit. I bought Tom Robbins new one for that purpose today. (Also Fast Food
>Nation and The Nanny Diaries).

Is that something newer than "Fierce Creatures..."?

/Jim

>
>Marie

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At 07:16 AM 5/1/2003, you wrote:

>Here we get into the question of what "redneck" really means (an
>often-debated question).  The people you describe above don't
>necessarily sound like what I think of as rednecks.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I know it's oft-debated, but it's still an interesting question. There are
endless characteristics attributed to rednecks, but what are the two or
three most salient ones? Ultraconservative and patriotic both come to mind,
though Jeff Foxworthy seems to focus more on unsophisticated and trailer
trash.

According to Idiomsite.com, the significance of the term is obscure, but it
"dates to 1830, when it was first used to denote the Presbyterians of
Fayetteville...Three explanations are commonly offered. First, it could be
a reference to a ruddy neck caused by anger. Second, it could be a
reference to sunburned necks caused by working in the fields all day.
Finally, it could be a reference to pellagra which turns the neck red."

I'd sure love to know more about those Presbyterians of Fayetteville!

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> In a similar vein, why can't anyone--particularly baseball announcers--say
> "dived" instead of "dove"?

Talk that talk, brother--

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>I'm jealous. Lilac's my favorite floral scent, too, but none of my friends
>or family have lilac bushes. The best I got last year were 2 walks in the
>park while the lilac was blooming.      --Adam

Buy a house and plant a bush in the dooryard.


    --bonniev

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> I know it's oft-debated, but it's still an interesting question. There are
> endless characteristics attributed to rednecks, but what are the two or
> three most salient ones? Ultraconservative and patriotic both come to mind,

These two I've totally missed.

> though Jeff Foxworthy seems to focus more on unsophisticated and trailer
> trash.

I only thought about those.

As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up Appearances".

Kristin

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Dar Williams is one boooooooorrrrrrrriiinnnnggg performer.
> >
> > Marie
>
> Yup.
>
> I don't care much for her music, either, except for a few songs. I have
> bought 3 of her albums, each time hoping I'd like the just-bought album more
> than the previous ones. Such has not been the case.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

Yeah, I expect it appeals to Mercy because of the circs - a) that
she bumped into all that music when she was in Boston and could go
see it live, b) it was a time in her life when she was in a rocky
relationship and could relate and c) because Dar et al are activists
in areas she feels strongly about. I don't see the attraction to the
music per se, myself.

clo

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----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
 Texans
> seem to
> be most defensive and I never got that either.

A twisted inferiority complex.

Marie

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> > No, really, I have no reason to think that they can make good
> Indian food in Dallas. Even the food they are supposed to do well
> wasn't very good. What's so funny about that?
>
> What food are they supposed to do well?

BBQ and Mexican, I thought.

Marie

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > reacting to the notion that going twice to NYC is better
> > than going once there and once somewhere else more interesting.
>
> You yourself said that you've been to NYC only once.  (Or I think that's
> what you said.  I will stand corrected if mistaken about that.)  That's
> sort of like Marie and Dallas.  I gather that I've spent more time in
> NYC or in other parts of NY than you have spent in NYC.  I adored the
> summer I spent on the northern part of Lake George -- just across the
> lake from Hague -- the mailing address was Glenburnie.  And I also
> liked, though not quite as much, the summer I spent in Keene Valley, NY,
> with lots of beer-drinking in Lake Placid.  I've also spent shorter
> amounts of time in other parts of NY -- e.g., Binghamton, Finger Lakes,
> and other places in that vicinity.  I thoroughly enjoyed all those
> places, but if given a choice of where to spend a week or a few days,
> I'd go for NYC.  I need a big-city <fix> from time to time, and NYC is
> one of my favorite places for such a fix (the other favorites being
> Paris, London, and Tokyo).

Eh. I didn't go to NY only once because I didn't like it.
It just happened that I never had a reason to go back. I can't
personally tell the difference between big cities, small cities,
and towns because my version of tourism is all about the people
I interact with, and they are always interesting wherever I go.

When I was single and travelling I ended up in some - I suppose,
mid-sized - cities - and lost my country mouse fear of congestion;
but I've become fond of so many different kinds of places that I
am amused by the attraction to certain locations - like Nyc, for
instance.

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > Coast" as the only coast in the world if somebody said NY instead of
> > > NYC.  And many people do that.
>
> > Yes!
> > Or say,
> >
> > "the City" as if there were only one city in the world.
>
> I can imagine that people living in the general vicinity of NYC might
> say "the City" in referring to NYC.  But I see that as like "the Bay
> Area" if you live in California or "the Coast" is you live in
> Mississippi (or if the context makes clear what vicinity you are talking
> about).  In other parts of the country, those labels would not be
> clear.  If I heard somebody say, "I'm going to take a long weekend and
> go to the City," I would say "What city?"  But if somebody in Wayne, NY,
> said to me that he goes into the City frequently for concerts, I would
> assume NYC.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

That would be an incorrect assumption for most in Wayne - they
usually mean Rochester, or occasionally Auburn or Syracuse.

clo

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Ranger did that to our wooden screen door. I bought some super replacement
> screen at Home Depot and all 17 lbs of him only sagged it a bit.  Easy to
> 'comb' back into shape.
>
> Ranger is no longer with us.  I found him yesterday morning laying (sorry
> Natalie if this is the wrong word, I could never 'get it')on the grass in
> the back yard as if he was on his way home and literally toppled over.  A
> little watery blood on his nose, no other visible signs of anything wrong.
> He had just turned 8 in March.
>
> He is sorely missed and I keep looking out the kitchen window expecting to
> see him on the path mouse hunting.  He bought me one last week, meowing
> loudly to come see.  I praised him and gave him some treats.  While
> distracted, I disposed of the gift.  He turned surprised not to see the
> critter, smelled all around and looked funny at me.  I praised him and
> patted him and went inside.  A few minutes latter he was back in the path
> in the same spot looking for another or maybe 'the one that got away'.
> He's now in that great hunting ground in the sky.
>
> Terry

I'm sorry to hear about Ranger. Isn't it odd that you keep looking for
him, just as he kept looking for the mouse where it was s'posed to be?
We become accustomed...
clo

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Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM>:

>A little resemblance to Gillian Anderson, too

This must be the sassy haircut - I think of Marie as having long
hair, and can't see the resemblance.

Btw, I loved the whole story of your (Marie) going to your old 'hood,
running into your former homeys, not being recognized etc etc.

-rashmi


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steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> :

>Not without the proper planning.  But I've been to both Brugge
>and Antwerp in the last year to meet up with wordslers, so it has
>been done.

and Delft.

-rashmi

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Bookrat wrote:
>
> >> >Speaking of which, I am going to be looking for things
> >> >to do in CA when <not> visiting our sick friend in City of
> >> >Hope. (doesn't sound like he's up to long visits).
> >> >
> >> >Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
> >>
> >> Too far south.  Come up north.
> >>
> >> Betty
> >
> >Now why does it not surprise me that I would be the one to
> >drive? How far up north? I am not familiar with CA geography.
> >clo
>
> The SF Bay area is about 8 hour's drive, and a world away, from Los
> Angeles.  The distance is comparable to the drive between Syracuse, NY, and
> Pittsburgh, PA.  When you're in LA, you're about as close to JMW in Mesa,
> AZ, as you are to the SF Bay Area.
>
> Meaning no offence, clo, but I get the impression that your map-sense is
> quite a bit like my father's was, by which I mean, and again I mean this in
> the best sense possible:
>
> Before you buy plane tickets, or train tickets, or make driving/travel
> plans: don't hesitate to ask the list first.  We are here for you.
>
> Ken Miller
> Bellman School of Cartography


LOL!
Well, my map-sense is conditioned by the fact that I'm not bothered
by long drives. I regularly pop over to Maine to see my brother,
or Boston or Md to see friends (300-450 mi one way) for a weekend.
It drives V crazy; he hates leaving the home place for any reason;
but my dad had 6 churches in different towns at one time, as well
as being a rural carrier when later on (when I was learning to
drive). 2000 mi/wk was standard for him, and I spent a lot of time
in a car too. Also, as I said, the all-night bus from LV to Reno
held no terrors for me.

In the current case, I am not going to LA for pleasure - our
friend Jim had a bone marrow transplant two weeks ago, and we
are hoping and praying that he will hold on long enough for
V to see him. He has a staph infection, which ain't good given
his platelet count, and was pretty incoherent when V talked to
him last night.

clo

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Jeff wrote:
>
> At 08:19 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
> >Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> >And the biggest aggravation may be that places within an hour's
> >drive of NYC (what we call "Downstate") are referred to as "upstate"
> >by people in the city
>
> Yeah, I went to college in Canton, and we considered Syracuse "downstate."

yeah, like that.
*grin*
clo

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Rita:
>         Textbooks are not objective.

Nor, clearly, is hindsight.

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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Betty:
> >guess. Somewhere around htere.
> there.

I'd given Karen credit for making a
Gertrude Stein reference (of almost
steganographic subtlety) about the,
er..., a, City by the Bay.

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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At 11:28 AM 5/1/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>=
>= Casa Machado at Montgomery Field (off Aero Drive at Sandrock Rd.)
>=
>=
>= BB
>
>WTF were you doing out there?

We were told it was the BEST place to get some great Mexican food.  It
was.  You could watch the planes, too.   Try it next time you are
there.  Send your friends.

Betty

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Jeff:
>In a similar vein, why can't anyone--particularly
>baseball announcers--say "dived" instead of "dove"?

"He'da been safe if he'da slud."

--
'ol Diz

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Rashmi Murthy:
= steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> :
=
= >Not without the proper planning.  But I've been to both Brugge
= >and Antwerp in the last year to meet up with wordslers, so it has
= >been done.
=
= and Delft.
=
= -rashmi
=

Delft is only a little far.  Brugge and Antwerp are far away.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 11:47:14 PM, Jeff wrote:
> At 09:36 PM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>>Hm. I have no idea how to replace the screening on this screen door.
>>Can it be done for any door?

> Sure, I've done it tons of times because of our bearded collie. If you
> don't feel up to it, a glass shop or picture framing shop should be able to
> handle it, no problem.

The problem is $$. I can't afford to pay anyone to do it.

I think that I remember that you can't take this door off the runner
without destroying it, too.

Karen

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>I can't
>personally tell the difference between big cities, small cities,
>and towns because my version of tourism is all about the people
>I interact with, and they are always interesting wherever I go.
>clo

How odd.  For me, tourism is never about the people I interact with.  I go
to see nature in mountains or ocean or canyons or lakes or islands or
whatever.  But then it's already been established here that I care little
for people.

Hey, Terry, your July 4th lodging is getting a new roof today.  I also
noted that you look across the street onto a very pretty stand of white
birch.  Don't know what the people are like.


    --bonniev

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>
>
>I think that I remember that you can't take this door off the runner
>without destroying it, too.
>
>Karen


I'd be surprised if you can't take it off the runner, but it could be an
older model. My screen has two nylon wheels at the bottom that you can get
under with a screwdriver and pry out of the track, allowing you to pull the
bottom of the door out first, and then the top.

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At 06:14 AM 5/1/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>
> > You can compare our current looks at:
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/doug_jeff.jpg
> >
> > I don't think too many people will confuse us now!
>
>You're right -- except that if you look closely and think about it, you
>do indeed look very, very much alike.  I'm also fascinated at how
>different you look in this picture from in the picture we looked at a
>few days ago.

Are you still in love?

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At 09:01 AM 5/1/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>  Texans
> > seem to
> > be most defensive and I never got that either.
>
>A twisted inferiority complex.
>
>Marie

I often think now that Karen is trying to convince herself.  :-)

Betty

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Thursday, May 1, 2003, 10:15:56 AM, Jeff wrote:
> I'd be surprised if you can't take it off the runner, but it could be an
> older model. My screen has two nylon wheels at the bottom that you can get
> under with a screwdriver and pry out of the track, allowing you to pull the
> bottom of the door out first, and then the top.

It's close to 20 years old. I remember trying the
screwdriver-under-the-door trick with a friend and not being able to
get it to go. I don't remember why, though. I've certainly popped out
other doors in the past.

Karen

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Thursday, May 1, 2003, 10:16:11 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 09:01 AM 5/1/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>  Texans
>> > seem to
>> > be most defensive and I never got that either.
>>
>>A twisted inferiority complex.
>>
>>Marie

> I often think now that Karen is trying to convince herself.  :-)

Of what?

Karen

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Natalie, on geographical conceit:
> most USAers can live in whatever part of the country they want to.

Yabbut the point, isn't it, is to
demonstrate what a *cool* place
they live in, and by implication
what a shithole _you_ live in.

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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> > to say, I often think how they manage, and what if I were in a
similar
> > situation for losing work several times, and having no relatives or
friends to
> > help me, or being too proud to ask for any help. So, many of these
people have
> > been in a situation in which they do not find other way. Yet it must
be at
> > least half voluntary to lead such a life.
>
> Here we get into the question of what "redneck" really means (an
> often-debated question).  The people you describe above don't
> necessarily sound like what I think of as rednecks.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That was my thought too, but I am unable to come up with
a definition of wht I think a redneck is.

                    - D. M.

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On Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 20:28, Rita Chapman wrote:

> UNCLE!  You're right -- Toronto has more Greeks than Montreal.

Oh come off it - you don't have to read the tables. I found them
amusing, in passing. (And Toronto also has more Greeks than Chicago.)

> Well, I think the French Canadians have an ethnic identity
> because of language.  That would be my only explanation.

"All nationalism is ethnic nationalism". (Shudder)

> > But almost all the stuff that's filmed in Canada isn't *set* in
> > Canada. That's my gripe. Are Americans really unwilling to watch a
> > movie set in Canada?
>
>         I don't think Americans care.

But either Hollywood cares, or they think Americans in general care.

Tony H.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> That was my thought too, but I am unable to come up with
> a definition of wht I think a redneck is.

    Jeff Foxworthy's got a bunch of 'em.  My favorite is, "...if your momma
doesn't take the Marlboro out of her mouth when she tells the state trooper
to kiss her ass, you *might*..."

JMW

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At 11:02 AM 5/1/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>Natalie, on geographical conceit:
> > most USAers can live in whatever part of the country they want to.
>
>Yabbut the point, isn't it, is to
>demonstrate what a *cool* place
>they live in, and by implication
>what a shithole _you_ live in.
>
>--
>Richard                   liebe ist what?

LOL.   Yes, that is exactly what is done here.

Betty

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At 08:36 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I *am* glad that Burl doesn't hunt, except my food when I'm eating.
>
>Karen

I bet your cat hunts. She just hasn't brought you any prizes yet, probably
'cause you're squirting water at her (not that I blame you).

lisa

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At 08:42 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>like most Mississippians, am highly pissed off by some outsider who knows
>nothing making critical comments.

Typical.. typical Mississippian behavior.

lisa


>--
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>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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But damn, ya gotta love a place that has transvestites as mayoral
candidates and also has a punoff... http://www.punpunpun.com/

Karen

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Thursday, May 1, 2003, 1:03:09 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I bet your cat hunts. She just hasn't brought you any prizes yet, probably
> 'cause you're squirting water at her (not that I blame you).

She doesn't bear a grudge, so I think it's unlikely. The birds are
unafraid of her. The only thing I've ever watched her stalk are my
hand and a 5" long grasshopper on the screen.

Karen

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Betty:
> LOL.   Yes, that is exactly what is done here.

Aren't you infested with communists out there?

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > That was my thought too, but I am unable to come up with
> > a definition of wht I think a redneck is.
>
>     Jeff Foxworthy's got a bunch of 'em.  My favorite is, "...if your momma
> doesn't take the Marlboro out of her mouth when she tells the state trooper
> to kiss her ass, you *might*..."
>
> JMW


Redneck as I know it is a term that started out referring to rural
working class people who might work on farms, road crews, ranches,
etc. - hard work; low SES; and tending to be, yes, politically
conservative. A lot of the attributes Foxworthy and others claim
for rednecks used to be assigned to "hillbillies" or "white trash".

What does seem to be true in my experience is that there is a macho
ethic involved, which supported them during the time when diversity,
openmindedness, and other "urban" and "upper class", "liberal" and
"educated" notions were in danger of changing the American way of life.

People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
have sported mullets.

My redneck associates tend to be socially conservative - not strongly
active in religion, but espousing many of the values of the religious
right, e.g. homophobia, a vague sense of grievance against that
"gov'ment" that interferes with a man's right to shoot a gun or
discipline his kids, and steals his hard-earned pay, etc.

clo

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> And the biggest aggravation may be that places within an hour's
> drive of NYC (what we call "Downstate") are referred to as "upstate"
> by people in the city <and> by people like the Clintons, but the
> entire rest of the state is rarely mentioned. Upstaters consider
> Westchester just an extension of that NJ suburb I was referencing
> before - and the Paved State can have it, for all they care!

Hey, be nice to New Jersey! It's also got some diversity.

Since I live in Westchester (which happens to mostly vote Republican), you can only imagine the identity crisis...I certainly don't think I live <upstate>, though, but where does one draw the line? Alyce's area, for instance, is rural, but is it "upstate"? -- she's only a bit over an hour for me...It's all relative, isn't it (like Jeff -- who still looks a lot like his brother, and looks more like the picture that was posted recently) said).

Marie

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At 11:02 AM 5/1/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>Natalie, on geographical conceit:
> > most USAers can live in whatever part of the country they want to.
>
>Yabbut the point, isn't it, is to
>demonstrate what a *cool* place
>they live in, and by implication
>what a shithole _you_ live in.

Is this a longwinded way of saying 'pissing contest'?

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On Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 13:15, Karen Kay wrote:

> But damn, ya gotta love a place that has transvestites as mayoral
> candidates and also has a punoff... http://www.punpunpun.com/

We've only had one transvestite mayoral candidate (Enza Supermodel,
and I voted for him/her as the best of a bad lot), and I don't think
we've had a punoff. So I guess Austin is more interesting.

Tony H.

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Thursday, May 1, 2003, 1:45:11 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 13:15, Karen Kay wrote:
>> But damn, ya gotta love a place that has transvestites as mayoral
>> candidates and also has a punoff... http://www.punpunpun.com/

> We've only had one transvestite mayoral candidate (Enza Supermodel,
> and I voted for him/her as the best of a bad lot), and I don't think
> we've had a punoff. So I guess Austin is more interesting.

It's not a contest.

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
>but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
>of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
>tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
>in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
>in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
>drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
>either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
>have sported mullets.


I think you've got it about right, Carolyn. That's my image of a redneck.
Which makes me wonder, could any of these traits also be found among
Estonians? Perhaps the mullets...but it seems to me there's something about
the traditional Southern culture that makes this brand of individual unique
to the U.S.

I might add that even though I'm about as opposite a redneck as you can
get, I respect them completely for their devotion to principles and their
pride in heritage.

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Jeff wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
> >but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
> >of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
> >tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
> >in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
> >in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
> >drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
> >either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
> >have sported mullets.
>
> I think you've got it about right, Carolyn. That's my image of a redneck.
> Which makes me wonder, could any of these traits also be found among
> Estonians?

Not with all these characteristics. motorcycles+beer+rock+perhaps tattoos, yes.
But certainly not anything as described here with all, or most their
characteristic features all together.

Kristin

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At 03:23 PM 5/1/2003 +0300, you wrote:

>As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up
>Appearances".
>
>Kristin

IMO he could be considered a red neck but would most likely be called
trailer trash.

lisa

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > And the biggest aggravation may be that places within an hour's
> > drive of NYC (what we call "Downstate") are referred to as "upstate"
> > by people in the city <and> by people like the Clintons, but the
> > entire rest of the state is rarely mentioned. Upstaters consider
> > Westchester just an extension of that NJ suburb I was referencing
> > before - and the Paved State can have it, for all they care!
>
> Hey, be nice to New Jersey! It's also got some diversity.
>
> Since I live in Westchester (which happens to mostly vote Republican), you can only imagine the identity crisis...I certainly don't think I live <upstate>, though, but where does one draw the line? Alyce's area, for instance, is rural, but is it "upstate"? -- she's only a bit over an hour for me...It's all relative, isn't it (like Jeff -- who still looks a lot like his brother, and looks more like the picture that was posted recently) said).
>
> Marie

Please don't hate the messenger! I am reporting prevailing
notions. I did grow up thinking NJ had no trees, but I learned
differently later when I visited people near Cherry Hill and
went through the Pine Barrens and the NJ lake district.

Since the topic has come up, though, I have a list I copied
down one night in my statistics book, of state-to-state insults
from Johnny Carson (this would be 1982).

(What is foreplay in Arkansas? What's the difference between
a Nebraska State cheerleader and a goat?) It was a long list
and I was struck by the prejudices that every state seemed
to have about all 49 others. As somebody said, a pissing contest.
clo

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 03:23 PM 5/1/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>
> >As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up
> >Appearances".
> >
> >Kristin
>
> IMO he could be considered a red neck but would most likely be called
> trailer trash.
>
> lisa

Well, but he's also an urban dweller, so there's a piece
missing from the strict "redneck" notion.

I love Onslo, by the way, and think Daisy is very smart to
adore him as she does.
clo

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At 02:29 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
>but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
>of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
>tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
>in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
>in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
>drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
>either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
>have sported mullets.
>clo

Sounds like a bunch of lesbians if you ask me.

lisa

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At 06:36 PM 5/1/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>At 11:02 AM 5/1/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>Natalie, on geographical conceit:
>> > most USAers can live in whatever part of the country they want to.
>>
>>Yabbut the point, isn't it, is to
>>demonstrate what a *cool* place
>>they live in, and by implication
>>what a shithole _you_ live in.
>
>Is this a longwinded way of saying 'pissing contest'?
>
>-rashmi

By long winded do you mean "southern"?

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 02:29 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
> >but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
> >of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
> >tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
> >in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
> >in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
> >drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
> >either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
> >have sported mullets.
> >clo
>
> Sounds like a bunch of lesbians if you ask me.
>
> lisa

LOL!

Yeah, but the lesbians actually <are> as tough as these guys
<think> they are!
clo

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>Sounds like a bunch of lesbians if you ask me.
>
>lisa


LOL!

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At 03:15 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > At 03:23 PM 5/1/2003 +0300, you wrote:
> >
> > >As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up
> > >Appearances".
> > >
> > >Kristin
> >
> > IMO he could be considered a red neck but would most likely be called
> > trailer trash.
> >
> > lisa
>
>Well, but he's also an urban dweller, so there's a piece
>missing from the strict "redneck" notion.
>
>I love Onslo, by the way, and think Daisy is very smart to
>adore him as she does.
>clo

Yeabbut he's the least common denominator between Kristin's world and ours.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> > > >As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up
> > > >Appearances".
> > > >
> > > >Kristin
> > >
> > > IMO he could be considered a red neck but would most likely be called
> > > trailer trash.
> > >
> > > lisa
> >
> >Well, but he's also an urban dweller, so there's a piece
> >missing from the strict "redneck" notion.
> >
> >I love Onslo, by the way, and think Daisy is very smart to
> >adore him as she does.
> >clo
>
> Yeabbut he's the least common denominator between Kristin's world and ours.

lol. A QOTD? :)

Kristin

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-rashmi:
> Is this a longwinded way of saying 'pissing contest'?

I don't think so.  A pissing contest
is "you suck" / "no, *you* suck".

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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"again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>

> > Is this a longwinded way of saying 'pissing contest'?

>I don't think so.  A pissing contest
>is "you suck" / "no, *you* suck".

Hmmm. I think of pissing contest as "my <fillintheblank> is
bigger/better/kewler than yours".

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-rashmi:
>Hmmm. I think of pissing contest as "my <fillintheblank>
>is bigger/better/kewler than yours".

Right.  I'm getting at something that's
much less explicit (well, it's intended
to _seem_ that way).

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
>
> > > Is this a longwinded way of saying 'pissing contest'?
>
> >I don't think so.  A pissing contest
> >is "you suck" / "no, *you* suck".
>
> Hmmm. I think of pissing contest as "my <fillintheblank> is
> bigger/better/kewler than yours".
>
> -rashmi

Yeah, I agree - it's who can piss farther and write their name
in the snow/on the wall; who can spit longer and more accurately;
who can belch loudest, longest and most richly.

But as V says, "everyone farts; only a select few talk
about it over breakfast".

clo

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"again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>

> > Hmmm. I think of pissing contest as "my <fillintheblank>
> > is bigger/better/kewler than yours".

>Right.  I'm getting at something that's
>much less explicit (well, it's intended
>to _seem_ that way).

What are you getting at? Explicit it!

I hate coy posts. They're as bad as cutesy.

-rashmi

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> What are you getting at? Explicit it!

Hmmm...  I guess I need to firm up
this concept in my own head.  Maybe
all I mean is something as simple
as posting rich.

--
Richard                   liebe ist what?

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>I hate coy posts. They're as bad as cutesy.

You are PRECIOUS when you stamp your foot like that!!!

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Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>:

> >I hate coy posts. They're as bad as cutesy.

>You are PRECIOUS when you stamp your foot like that!!!

Where's that rock you keep brandishing?

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>
> Hey, Terry, your July 4th lodging is getting a new roof today.

Great, at least we'll be dry if it rains!

 I also
> noted that you look across the street onto a very pretty stand of white
> birch.  Don't know what the people are like.
>
>
>     --bonniev


A room with a view, if we're on that side.  The woman I spoke with was very
pleasant on the phone, but the demands will be very different come July.

Terry

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 Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:

> I'm sorry to hear about Ranger. Isn't it odd that you keep looking for
> him, just as he kept looking for the mouse where it was s'posed to be?
> We become accustomed...
> clo

Thanks.  Creatures of habit, good and bad. :-)

Terry

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 20:28, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>UNCLE!  You're right -- Toronto has more Greeks than Montreal.
>>
>
> Oh come off it - you don't have to read the tables. I found them
> amusing, in passing. (And Toronto also has more Greeks than Chicago.)


        I'm not sure the premise of the movie really rests on the
size of the local Greek population since Greeks can be
insular in very small numbers, but I've never thought of
Toronto as a hotbed of Greekness for some reason.


>
>>Well, I think the French Canadians have an ethnic identity
>>because of language.  That would be my only explanation.
>>
>
> "All nationalism is ethnic nationalism". (Shudder)
>
>
>>>But almost all the stuff that's filmed in Canada isn't *set* in
>>>Canada. That's my gripe. Are Americans really unwilling to watch a
>>>movie set in Canada?
>>>
>>        I don't think Americans care.
>>
>
> But either Hollywood cares, or they think Americans in general care.


        I realize this is a burr under your belt, Tony, but I don't
think it matters to me where a movie is set.  I might note
if it is a city I've lived in and look for landmarks, but
that's about it.  Maybe it's all them rednecks who care.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>noted that you look across the street onto a very pretty stand of white
>>birch.  Don't know what the people are like.
>>     --bonniev
>
>A room with a view, if we're on that side.  The woman I spoke with was very
>pleasant on the phone, but the demands will be very different come July.
>Terry

I think there is only one side.  The back side of those four buildings is a
rather steep hillside.   Less than a mile, up and over that hill, is the
neighborhood where we live.  Yes, folk in Bar Harbor are generally much
more pleasant in the winter than in July.    However, some of the winter
pleasantness lasts into the beginning of July.  But never into late August.


    --bonniev

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It may of interest to you that the Quality Inn, like this neighborhood that
we live in, is built on land that was involved in the Great Fire of
1947.  That area was home to two fine old wooden hotels, The Belmont Hotel
and the The Malvern Hotel.   The Malvern was "built in 1882 by DeGrasse
Fox.  Connected with the Malvern were eleven 'cottages,' some with as many
as fourteen rooms, six baths, and two sitting rooms."  All of that burned
in October of 1947.  The place names are preserved in a garden apartment
complex, The Malvern Belmont Estates, which is subsidized housing for the
elderly, locally known as "Wrinkle City".   These apartments are directly
across Kebo Street from the Quality Inn, behind the stand of white birch trees.

The quote above is from _Lost Bar Harbor_, a fine book that I can show you
when you are here.

    --bonniev

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Jeff, could you please tell Alyce that today I finished knitting together
the pieces of one of the sweaters she sent me.  It's the one that is mostly
beige with a bold black and red trim.  I sewed the sleeves to the body and
did up all the seams.  I added a black collar.  It looks very nice and I
thank her deeply for it.  It even fits me quite nicely!


    --bonniev

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> I know it's oft-debated, but it's still an interesting question. There are
> endless characteristics attributed to rednecks, but what are the two or
> three most salient ones? Ultraconservative and patriotic both come to mind,
> though Jeff Foxworthy seems to focus more on unsophisticated and trailer
> trash.

Good question.  Just today I was talking to my Valic person, whose
husband is some kind of distinguished chair of Real Estate (or I guess
the right term is he occupies this distinguished chair -- he doesn't
chair anything -- he occupies an endowed chair).  Anyway, I was telling
her that I had a good research project for her husband:  to go to Bay
St. Louis and explore the real-estate situation there.  In case you're
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combination of rednecks and artsy-craftsy sorts plus a bunch of New
Orleans people with weekend homes there."  So I'm sitting here thinking
about what made me choose the term "rednecks" in that conversation.

I think it's a combination of what you mentioned above --
ultraconservative and "patriotic" (in the new sense of that word as it
has been taken over by the neoconservatives to mean things like like
driving around in pickup trucks with gigantic flags and saying "America
-- love it or leave it" or "you're either with us or you're against us"
and calling pro-peace people "unpatriotic" and having the "let's kick
their asses!" mentality) and trailer trashish (without going back to the
topic we were discussing recently about how I don't like that term -- or
about how I hate what is happening with the term "patriotic").  Anyway,
the redneckiness I sensed in Bay St. Louis -- in South Mississippi in
general -- was based on both of the above characteristics, often
combined.  E.g., I think I mentioned how some of these cute, renovated
little houses looked out across a small street at very ugly scenes like
huge flag, either Confederate or U.S., nailed all across the side of a
rundown house, tires in the yard, garbage on the curb.

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bonniev wrote:
 >
 > Jeff, could you please tell Alyce that today I finished knitting together
 > the pieces of one of the sweaters she sent me.  It's the one that is mostly
 > beige with a bold black and red trim.  I sewed the sleeves to the body and
 > did up all the seams.  I added a black collar.  It looks very nice and I
 > thank her deeply for it.  It even fits me quite nicely!
 >
 >     --bonniev

Bonnie,

Thanks very much. I will certainly tell her, though she may or may not be
coherent. She's extremely weak and has not had any real periods of lucidity
today, unlike the past. A wonderful pair of crocheted "sheep" slippers
arrived today from Karen Kay, which she began while Alyce was in the
hospital. The gifts and good thoughts keep pouring in, and for these I'm
grateful, as I'm sure she is, too.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Jeff Rankin wrote:
>
> > I know it's oft-debated, but it's still an interesting question. There are
> > endless characteristics attributed to rednecks, but what are the two or
> > three most salient ones? Ultraconservative and patriotic both come to mind,
>
> These two I've totally missed.

Both of those go with rednecks, but it's important to keep in mind that
saying that rednecks tend to be ultraconservative and patriotic (by
whatever definition of that word) is not saying that all people who are
ultraconservative or patriotic (by whatever definition) are rednecks.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > > No, really, I have no reason to think that they can make good
> > Indian food in Dallas. Even the food they are supposed to do well
> > wasn't very good. What's so funny about that?
> >
> > What food are they supposed to do well?
>
> BBQ and Mexican, I thought.

I confess lack of much first-hand knowledge of Texas food -- have spent
very little time there in my life.  The Mexican makes sense.  But no to
bbq.  Or at least according to what I've heard about what is considered
bbq in Texas.  They don't even kill the right animal for it.

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>>It may of interest to you that the Quality Inn, like this neighborhood
>>that we live in, is built on land that was involved in the Great Fire of
>>1947.
>
>Quite a history.  Any tales of ghosts?
>Terry

I've heard of no ghost stories connected with the Malvern or the Belmont or
the Quality Inn.  Only two people died in the Great Fire of 1947.  There
are ghost stories about the Ledgelawn Inn on Mount Desert Street, which
survived the fire.   One of the two ghosts there is a woman who died in a
fall, or push, down the stairs.

Our house is built in the same cellar hole as the house that burned
down.  No ghosts here.


    --bonniev

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bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> It may of interest to you that the Quality Inn, like this neighborhood
> that we live in, is built on land that was involved in the Great Fire of
> 1947.

Quite a history.  Any tales of ghosts?

Terry

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > go to the City," I would say "What city?"  But if somebody in Wayne, NY,
> > said to me that he goes into the City frequently for concerts, I would
> > assume NYC.
> That would be an incorrect assumption for most in Wayne - they
> usually mean Rochester, or occasionally Auburn or Syracuse.

Interesting.  I thought of that as an example because of having spent a
night in Wayne, NJ, and driven on toward a fest (was in ClamBake?) via
NYC and having been in MAJOR traffic between Wayne and NYC and because
the person I visited in Wayne regularly said things like he was taking
his children into "The City" meaning NYC or he went into "The City" for
such-and-such.

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> I confess lack of much first-hand knowledge of Texas food -- have spent
> very little time there in my life.  The Mexican makes sense.  But no to
> bbq.  Or at least according to what I've heard about what is considered
> bbq in Texas.  They don't even kill the right animal for it.

<snork!>

Karen

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >different you look in this picture from in the picture we looked at a
> >few days ago.
>
> Are you still in love?

Even more so.

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> Natalie, on geographical conceit:
> > most USAers can live in whatever part of the country they want to.
>
> Yabbut the point, isn't it, is to
> demonstrate what a *cool* place
> they live in, and by implication
> what a shithole _you_ live in.

Yep.  And that's what I find funny, given [see above].

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 08:42 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >like most Mississippians, am highly pissed off by some outsider who knows
> >nothing making critical comments.
>
> Typical.. typical Mississippian behavior.

? That's why I said "like most Mississippians."  It is indeed a typical
reaction.

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 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> There
> are ghost stories about the Ledgelawn Inn on Mount Desert Street, which
> survived the fire.   One of the two ghosts there is a woman who died in a
> fall, or push, down the stairs.

This is where Alan and I stayed on our honeymoon.  I remember the story
about the woman, but we never encountered her presence.  They had a nice
sitting room with chess/checker games and a linseed polished bar.  I can
still smell it.

Terry

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> What does seem to be true in my experience is that there is a macho
> ethic involved, which supported them during the time when diversity,
> openmindedness, and other "urban" and "upper class", "liberal" and
> "educated" notions were in danger of changing the American way of life.

I read a long, interesting article on this subject (though not re
"rednecks" -- it was about the rightist agenda) in the online Nation a
couple of days ago.  I meant to put it on my blog, but I don't get
around to putting everything there that I find interesting.  Anyway, it
was about the desire to return to the McKinley era.

> People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles

I started to mention motorcycles when the topic first arose of whether
there were rednecks in Estonia, since I happened to go to some kind of
market full of motorcyclists not far from the dock in Tallinn.  But I
didn't discern enough about the people to know whether they might be
rednecks.

> but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
> of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
> tend not to have Union jobs;

Fwiw, Unions have never been <in> in the South.  I think we've discussed
this before.

> My redneck associates tend to be socially conservative - not strongly
> active in religion, but espousing many of the values of the religious
> right, e.g. homophobia, a vague sense of grievance against that
> "gov'ment" that interferes with a man's right to shoot a gun or
> discipline his kids, and steals his hard-earned pay, etc.

This sounds right.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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http://206.169.167.138/msu/news/article.html?current_Date=2003-04-25&current_Section=news&current_File=98

Le Retour de Police Beat!

AS

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > > reacting to the notion that going twice to NYC is better
> > > than going once there and once somewhere else more interesting.
> >
> > You yourself said that you've been to NYC only once.  (Or I think that's
> > what you said.  I will stand corrected if mistaken about that.)  That's
> > sort of like Marie and Dallas.  I gather that I've spent more time in
> > NYC or in other parts of NY than you have spent in NYC.  I adored the
> > summer I spent on the northern part of Lake George -- just across the
> > lake from Hague -- the mailing address was Glenburnie.  And I also
> > liked, though not quite as much, the summer I spent in Keene Valley, NY,
> > with lots of beer-drinking in Lake Placid.  I've also spent shorter
> > amounts of time in other parts of NY -- e.g., Binghamton, Finger Lakes,
> > and other places in that vicinity.  I thoroughly enjoyed all those
> > places, but if given a choice of where to spend a week or a few days,
> > I'd go for NYC.  I need a big-city <fix> from time to time, and NYC is
> > one of my favorite places for such a fix (the other favorites being
> > Paris, London, and Tokyo).
>
> Eh. I didn't go to NY only once because I didn't like it.

That wasn't my point (which is why I've included all of the above
instead of shortening it).  My point was that you were talking about NYC
as if you knew it well enough to know that it would be better to make
that second trip to "somewhere else more interesting."

> It just happened that I never had a reason to go back. I can't
> personally tell the difference between big cities, small cities,
> and towns because my version of tourism is all about the people
> I interact with, and they are always interesting wherever I go.

That is what I like best about tourism also.  I don't care that much
about the <sights> or <sites>.  I do get somewhat turned on by seeing
something <in the flesh> that I've only seen in pictures before, but
that would not draw me back to a place.  Like if you've seen it in the
flesh once, that's enough (at least for famous buildings/scenes -- I do
go back at times to pretty scenery -- which is why I am driving rather
than flying to AcadiaFest -- I love being in the Appalachians).  One
reason I love returning to places like Paris that I've been to a zillion
times is that I don't feel any desire to search out <sites>.  I just
groove to the feel of the place.  And that feel very much involves
people, not just those I interact directly with, though that is
something I do like about traveling, but also just sitting at a sidewalk
cafe people-watching, eavesdropping, feeling vibes.

The people thing is one reason I don't like the idea of packaged tours,
of the kind where a tour director leads the flock into the hotel and
takes care of various interactions, etc.  The interactions of that kind
-- finding a hotel, interacting with the person at the desk, etc. --
constitute some of my favorite travel memories.

> When I was single and travelling I ended up in some - I suppose,
> mid-sized - cities - and lost my country mouse fear of congestion;
> but I've become fond of so many different kinds of places that I
> am amused by the attraction to certain locations - like Nyc, for
> instance.

I'm also fond of many different kinds of places.  But there are certain
places I want to return and return to because they turn me on.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> Thanks very much. I will certainly tell her, though she may or may not be
> coherent. She's extremely weak and has not had any real periods of lucidity
> today, unlike the past.

Starting with the slight hint from Marie Sunday and then with Jeff's
later posting, I have been working hard on resigning myself to the
belief that we have already lost the real Alyce.  In some ways that's
probably good -- both for Alyce herself and for those of us who love
her.

What I just wrote may not make sense.  It does to me, but I don't know
that I said it right.  It doesn't help that the tears have once again
cranked up, making it impossible for me to see what I'm writing.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

 E.g., I think I mentioned how some of these cute, renovated
> little houses looked out across a small street at very ugly scenes like
> huge flag, either Confederate or U.S., nailed all across the side of a
> rundown house, tires in the yard, garbage on the curb.

        What Maya Angelou refers to as "powhitetrash."


        One of my freshmen, an African American girl who is very
self-centered, mean, and is constantly playing the racist
bit (and also very bright and talented, but it is hard to
see past her shittiness), was annoyed today at my inability
to pronounce "Angelo" and accused me of calling the author
out of her name.  I told her that Maya Angelou had a right
to many things, but she did not have the right to change the
Greek language, which happens to be my heritage.  Ooooh, my
student was pissed.  I then rubbed salt in the wound by
pointing out that Maya uses the possessive form of the name.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>This is where Alan and I stayed on our honeymoon.  I remember the story
>about the woman, but we never encountered her presence.  They had a nice
>sitting room with chess/checker games and a linseed polished bar.  I can
>still smell it.     --Terry

What year would that have been?  You'll have to stop in there to see if the
bar is still there.  I know they do have a lobby bar and some years sell
drinks to non-residents of the Inn.


    --bonniev

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>Jeff wrote:
>Thanks very much. I will certainly tell her, though she may or may not be
>  coherent. She's extremely weak and has not had any real periods of lucidity
>  today, unlike the past.

Will you be able to stay in Germantown for awhile longer?  Or will Alyce's
sister come back if need be?  Has anything been decided about all the
books?  A buyer found?


    --bonniev

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On Thu, 1 May 2003, Kristin Sarv quoted:

>> >People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
>> >but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
>> >of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
>> >tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
>> >in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
>> >in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
>> >drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
>> >either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
>> >have sported mullets.

Hmmm. I may qualify. I have owned both a pickup and a morotcycle. I
have had only one Union job. I have drunk beer and smoked pot. I have
listened to country music and Southern rock.

But no mullets and no tattoos. And no construction work. Maybe I am a
pinkneck - and I have been called <off-white).

Bethany

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At 01:21 PM 5/1/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>Betty:
> > LOL.   Yes, that is exactly what is done here.
>
>Aren't you infested with communists out there?

Probably, but I meant here on this list.

Betty

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> Don't know those answers.  I do know that those who
> hop a flight with Tom don't have any comfort.  The plane
> is used to move troops and equipment, and the inside is
> just one big barn with benches along the side.  He can
> put three small helicopters in there.

What kind of plane? A lot of C-5A Galaxies fly out of the airfield right
next to my office.

--Adam
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> floral scent!
>
> You talk funny.
>
> Ann

I say ont and idear, too.

--Adam
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> As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up
> Appearances".
>
> Kristin

You get that show? Neat! I love it.

--Adam
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 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> What year would that have been?  You'll have to stop in there to see if
> the bar is still there.  I know they do have a lobby bar and some years
> sell drinks to non-residents of the Inn.
>
>

1989.  I called it a sitting room... when you walk in the front door and
see the staircase, it is the room on the right.  Maybe this is called the
lobby.  No, I just looked at their site.  Although there is a lobby picture
under accommodations, the room I'm referring to is to the right where those
people on the couch are looking.
<http://www.barharborvacations.com/lliaccomo.htm>


Terry

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----- Original Message -----
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> > Don't know those answers.  I do know that those who
> > hop a flight with Tom don't have any comfort.  The plane
> > is used to move troops and equipment, and the inside is
> > just one big barn with benches along the side.  He can
> > put three small helicopters in there.
>
> What kind of plane? A lot of C-5A Galaxies fly out of the airfield
right
> next to my office.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

MC-130E Combat Talon, outfitted especially for
Special Ops, flies out of Florida.  There are only
4 exactly like this.

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/pictures/mc_130e.jpg

                          - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > Don't know those answers.  I do know that those who
> > > hop a flight with Tom don't have any comfort.

    Don't they have a "personnel pallet" that can be tied down inside?
    (FTM, almost anything would be better than the butt-buckets lining
the sides.)

JMW

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> MC-130E Combat Talon, outfitted especially for
> Special Ops, flies out of Florida.  There are only
> 4 exactly like this.
>
> http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/pictures/mc_130e.jpg
>
>                           - D. M.

Ah. Thanks.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > > Don't know those answers.  I do know that those who
> > > > hop a flight with Tom don't have any comfort.
>
>     Don't they have a "personnel pallet" that can be tied down inside?
>     (FTM, almost anything would be better than the butt-buckets lining
> the sides.)
>
> JMW

I have no idea.

        - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I have no idea.

    Oh, Doris, Doris, Doris.  Don't ever, EVER, admit ignorance about a
subject of which you have no knowledge!  That's not the Words-L <way>.

JMW

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>Will you be able to stay in Germantown for awhile longer?  Or will Alyce's
>sister come back if need be?  Has anything been decided about all the
>books?  A buyer found?
>
>
>    --bonniev

I will be here until the 15th. My brother is coming the 17th. I talked to
Alyce's sister tonight and she has decided she probably won't come. Kate
Lindemann and an associate will be here Saturday to start organizing and
assessing the books. The idea is to locate booksellers who might be
interested in purchasing entire categories in areas of their specialty.

I've talked to Berta a little about what we might do for a memorial
service. As you know, Alyce isn't particularly religious and is going to be
cremated. We're thinking about an "open house" memorial gathering here at
the house in Germantown sometime in July, when friends and relatives can
gather, reminisce and drink a toast to the empress.

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At 08:24 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>
>Although there is a lobby picture
>under accommodations, the room I'm referring to is to the right where those
>people on the couch are looking.
><http://www.barharborvacations.com/lliaccomo.htm>


What a cool-looking place. I love their logo!

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If you Google web and news for <rumsfeld mc-130>, you get recent hits that
may be connected with Maj. Markland, e.g.:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/international/worldspecial/01RUMS.html>
Mr. Rumsfeld and his top aides flew into Baghdad's international airport
aboard an MC-130 Combat Talon, a transport plane normally used to insert
commandos on secret missions. The plane flew the last 30 miles just 500
feet above the ground to thwart surface-to-air missiles.

<http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStories/03.09relcontinfo/09.01rumsfeldsty.htm>
Rumsfeld's traveling party of about 30 people, a few assistant secretaries,
other staff and 12 members of the press, boarded the combat-ready
aircraft's front stairway. Inside, dim red lights showed two rows of
metal-framed, red-canvas seats along the walls and two more rows sitting
back to back in the center, separated by black harness-netting.

Members of the delegation had to sit knee to knee, and tall folks had to
interlace their knees with the passenger across the narrow aisle. They
could hardly move in any direction. Fuel fumes and constant engine
reverberations filled the enclosed air space. It was tight and noisy. And
hot, then cold, then hot as air heaters went on and off.

Pete

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>><http://www.barharborvacations.com/lliaccomo.htm>
>
>What a cool-looking place. I love their logo!

It is cool looking from the street.  But actually it does not have a very
good reputation in town.   For one thing, they allow dogs.  I've heard it
said that there are more dogs wandering the halls than people.  For another
thing they serve alcohol in that lobby bar and thereby attract a bad
element: noisy drunks.  For a third thing, their breakfast is reputed to be
less than stellar.  And then, of course, there is the ghost.


    --bonniev

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>It is cool looking from the street.  But actually it does not have a very
>good reputation in town.   For one thing, they allow dogs.  I've heard it
>said that there are more dogs wandering the halls than people.  For another
>thing they serve alcohol in that lobby bar and thereby attract a bad
>element: noisy drunks.  For a third thing, their breakfast is reputed to be
>less than stellar.  And then, of course, there is the ghost.
>
>
>    --bonniev


Sounds like my kind of place.

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 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> It is cool looking from the street.  But actually it does not have a very
> good reputation in town.   For one thing, they allow dogs.  I've heard it
> said that there are more dogs wandering the halls than people.  For
> another thing they serve alcohol in that lobby bar and thereby attract a
> bad element: noisy drunks.  For a third thing, their breakfast is reputed
> to be less than stellar.  And then, of course, there is the ghost.
>
>
I think this calls for a visit in July.  When Alan and I were there it was
Oct and not too many people were around.  I remember one dog, I think he
belonged to the owners.  The breakfast was less than stellar when we were
there.  It was a simple continental - a couple types of juices, boxed
cereal, hard-boiled eggs, some fruit, and a few pastries, all lined up
along the linseed polished bar.  Oh, yes, coffee, tea, and hot cocoa.

The beds, however, were the most comfortable I've ever slept in away from
home.

Terry

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As you know, I have never been a fan of Dubya.  I have called him dumb
(in relation to people in positions of his kind -- as I think I've said
before, I do not believe that his IQ is below average -- just below
average for world leaders), I have called him misguided, I have called
him lots of negative things.  But I have never (before tonight) agreed
with those people who claim that he is a devious liar.  Well, maybe I
still don't.  Maybe he's just dumber than I thought, and it's whoever
wrote that speech who is the devious liar and Dubya just didn't catch
on.  Spencer was startled when he and I were watching Dubya on tv and I
said, "Say WHAAA?" to that pretty clear tying of the Iraq war to 9/11.
And then there were the things about how our soldiers in Iraq saved us
from all those WOMD that Iraq was building up.

I think I'm living in CuckooLand.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Hmmm. I may qualify. I have owned both a pickup and a morotcycle. I
> have had only one Union job. I have drunk beer and smoked pot. I have
> listened to country music and Southern rock.

My brain is still totally fried from that amazing Dubya speech, so
forgive me of the fact that I can't remember the official name of the
logical fallacy you are engaging in.  (But I do see that you said "may
qualify" as opposed to "am.")  To say that rednecks own pickups and/or
motorcycles, haven't had many if any Union jobs, drink beer and smoke
pot, listen to country music and Southern rock is not to say that one
who [does all of the above named things] is a redneck.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> I've talked to Berta a little about what we might do for a memorial
> service. As you know, Alyce isn't particularly religious and is going to be
> cremated. We're thinking about an "open house" memorial gathering here at
> the house in Germantown sometime in July, when friends and relatives can
> gather, reminisce and drink a toast to the empress.

As I said a little while ago, I am resigned now to the fact (I think I
said "belief" earlier because "fact" sounded so final, but I do think
it's probably fact) that our Alyce is not coming back to us.  I would
not have wanted to talk about topics like memorial services if I thought
she might still be on the list, though I also know that is silly of me
since she told us quite clearly what was going on and would not find it
inappropriate to talk about such things.  If that gathering is in July,
I would like very much to be there and drink a toast to a friend I am so
very grateful to have had come into my life.
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Jeff writes,

>You gotta hand it to those G.O.P. strategiests--the triumphal landing of
>the commander-in-chief in an S-3B Viking.

Nice pic on whitehouse.gov <http://tinyurl.com/asgd>:

"President George W. Bush walks across the tarmac with NFO Lt. Ryan
Phillips to Navy One, an S-3B Viking jet, at Naval Air Station North Island
in San Diego Thursday, May 1, 2003."

Pete

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>
>I think I'm living in CuckooLand.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

You gotta hand it to those G.O.P. strategiests--the triumphal landing of
the commander-in-chief in an S-3B Viking. Got a whole afternoon of CNN
coverage leading up to the main event. Reminded me of the final scene of
Star Wars! You would have thought he was Chuck Yeagar, and not some
privileged kid riding out the Vietnam war in a National Guard training
jet...well, until he got suspended for going AWOL.

I'm sure his polls will be up in the morning.

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bonniev wrote:

> It is cool looking from the street.  But actually it does not have a very
> good reputation in town.   For one thing, they allow dogs.  I've heard it
> said that there are more dogs wandering the halls than people.  For another
> thing they serve alcohol in that lobby bar and thereby attract a bad
> element: noisy drunks.  For a third thing, their breakfast is reputed to be
> less than stellar.  And then, of course, there is the ghost.

Although I am a lover of breakfast, I must say that I would consider the
quality of the breakfast minor compared to the plusses you have
described above (except for "noisy").

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
> not be with these two:
>
> http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg

Those aren't dogs -- they're stuffed toys!  For a real dog, look here:

http://www.maynor.net/sptree.jpg

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At 08:18 AM 4/30/2003, you wrote:
>I had my blinds all the way down last night because the
>weather turned cooler.  About 4:40 this morning, Sweetie
>wanted to look out and was pawing the blinds, so I pulled
>on the cord to raise them a little, and guess what?  They
>came crashing down upon the two of us!  She was terrified,
>the poor kitty!  She's unhurt, but she's still scared and
>would appreciate good vibes.
>
>Evelyn Duncan


Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
not be with these two:

http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg

That's Jesse on the left and Jake on the right.

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At 09:20 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>>It is cool looking from the street.  But actually it does not have a very
>>good reputation in town.   For one thing, they allow dogs.  I've heard it
>>said that there are more dogs wandering the halls than people.  For another
>>thing they serve alcohol in that lobby bar and thereby attract a bad
>>element: noisy drunks.  For a third thing, their breakfast is reputed to be
>>less than stellar.  And then, of course, there is the ghost.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>
>Sounds like my kind of place.

Mine, too!

Betty

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I thought it was one of the most important speeches of his political career
and that he delivered it masterfully. This was not just the last speech of
the Iraq war, it was the first speech of the 2004 Elections. The whole day
was carried off perfectly, from the wartime commander making an assault
landing, to the images of him walking among his troops, to the perfectly
staged speech (did they turn the Lincoln into the southeast so that the sun
fell across his left shoulder?), Bush captured the perfect tone. I didn't
even vote for this guy in 2000, but I have to say, I just love him now. The
unhurried pacing of his delivery, the way he narrows his eyes to little
slits and sets his jaw, everything seems to convey the message of quiet
strength. If our enemies didn't get the message during Shock & Awe, they
should have gotten it tonight: this is a guy who isn't afraid to back his
words up with action. I am proud this guy is from Texas.

-aht
And that's the way it is...

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Jeff, Alyce has shared with us on the list the fun Christmas (Holiday?)
Pageants that you have.  She shared some beautiful photos of angels.  Were
they your children?  They used to be on our web page, but our web page is
morphing.  It started with Natalie went to Japan and it hasn't been the
same since.  I don't know how to get to those photos.

Betty, one of Alyce's subjects

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Jeff wrote:

> You gotta hand it to those G.O.P. strategiests--the triumphal landing of
> the commander-in-chief in an S-3B Viking. Got a whole afternoon of CNN
> coverage leading up to the main event. Reminded me of the final scene of
> Star Wars! You would have thought he was Chuck Yeagar, and not some
> privileged kid riding out the Vietnam war in a National Guard training
> jet...well, until he got suspended for going AWOL.

Some of us were talking at lunch today about the why of his ship
setting.  I said it was to appear cool/cute/whatever.  It entered my
mind while watching the speech, though, that it was also a very good way
to assure a cheering audience without having to wade through protesters
to get into the venue.

One thing re our lunch conversation was that we were giving one of our
regulars a hard time for having said no to his student (in a physics
class) who wanted to take her final exam early so that she could be in
Seattle (I think it was Seattle) to greet her fiance who had been out on
a ship for ten months.  Turns out that's the ship Dubya spoke on.  (I
would have said yes to her request in a flash.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:05 PM 5/1/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Those aren't dogs -- they're stuffed toys!  For a real dog, look here:
>
>http://www.maynor.net/sptree.jpg

He looks as if he is trying to take dump.

BB

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> I confess lack of much first-hand knowledge of Texas food -- have
> spentvery little time there in my life.  The Mexican makes sense.
> But no to
> bbq.  Or at least according to what I've heard about what is
> consideredbbq in Texas.  They don't even kill the right animal for it.

No what, oh obtuse one? You agree? It does, it sucks right?

I'll take a Jewish style potted brisket over anything I had the opportunity to eat in Dallas any day. This is not to say there isn't such a thing as good Texas barbecue, but they don't do a very good job selling it to tourists (unlike, say a good pastrami sandwich in you-know-where).

Marie

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Betty wrote:
>
> Jeff, Alyce has shared with us on the list the fun Christmas (Holiday?)
> Pageants that you have.  She shared some beautiful photos of angels.  Were
> they your children?  They used to be on our web page, but our web page is
> morphing.  It started with Natalie went to Japan and it hasn't been the
> same since.  I don't know how to get to those photos.

I cannot tell you how many times I have cursed myself for deleting all
those online pictures because I thought they had safely migrated and
would still be available.  But many of them vanished in transit and are
forever lost (don't know that the Alyce-as-a-sheep picture was one of
those permanently lost).  But no, those weren't Alyce's grandchildren.
They were nieces/nephews/cousins -- or at least afaik.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:05 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>
> > Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
> > not be with these two:
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg
>
>Those aren't dogs -- they're stuffed toys!  For a real dog, look here:
>
>http://www.maynor.net/sptree.jpg

Wow--a real-life Snoopy. Jesse doesn't act like much of a stuffed toy when
he kills rabbits, possums, and once (cover your eyes, Evelyn) a stray kitten.

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At 09:18 PM 5/1/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Jeff, Alyce has shared with us on the list the fun Christmas (Holiday?)
> > Pageants that you have.  She shared some beautiful photos of angels.  Were
> > they your children?  They used to be on our web page, but our web page is
> > morphing.  It started with Natalie went to Japan and it hasn't been the
> > same since.  I don't know how to get to those photos.
>
>I cannot tell you how many times I have cursed myself for deleting all
>those online pictures because I thought they had safely migrated and
>would still be available.  But many of them vanished in transit and are
>forever lost (don't know that the Alyce-as-a-sheep picture was one of
>those permanently lost).  But no, those weren't Alyce's grandchildren.
>They were nieces/nephews/cousins -- or at least afaik.

Yes, that sounds right.

Betty

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At 10:16 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff, Alyce has shared with us on the list the fun Christmas (Holiday?)
>Pageants that you have.  She shared some beautiful photos of angels.  Were
>they your children?  They used to be on our web page, but our web page is
>morphing.  It started with Natalie went to Japan and it hasn't been the
>same since.  I don't know how to get to those photos.
>
>Betty, one of Alyce's subjects


They're actually her sister's grandchildren (though I'm probably in some of
them myself--perhaps you were mistaking me for a child?). If I run across
any photos in housecleaning, I'll post them for you.

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>thing as good Texas barbecue, but they don't do a very good job selling it
to tourists

Texas to Marie: You're right! and we like it that way! It doesn't matter
what you think about Texas barbeque. Get it through your beautiful head.
You're a fine person, admirable in every way, but you are a Yankee, and
Yankees don't count when it comes to barbeque opinions. Or Mexican food
opinions. Or any other opinions I can think of. So shut yer yapper and find
a different hobby horse to ride.

-aht

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>I'll take a Jewish style potted brisket over anything I had the
>opportunity to eat in Dallas any day. This is not to say there isn't such
>a thing as good Texas barbecue, but they don't do a very good job selling
>it to tourists (unlike, say a good pastrami sandwich in you-know-where).
>
>Marie

Marie,

I just wanted to say thank you for the marvelous chicken soup, which we ate
the other night. I would have sworn a grandma made it. Also, I failed to
publicly acknowledge the gift of the Ghiradelli chocolates. Were they from
you or Adam or both?

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At 10:23 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>At 10:16 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>>Jeff, Alyce has shared with us on the list the fun Christmas (Holiday?)
>>Pageants that you have.  She shared some beautiful photos of angels.  Were
>>they your children?  They used to be on our web page, but our web page is
>>morphing.  It started with Natalie went to Japan and it hasn't been the
>>same since.  I don't know how to get to those photos.
>>
>>Betty, one of Alyce's subjects
>
>
>They're actually her sister's grandchildren (though I'm probably in some of
>them myself--perhaps you were mistaking me for a child?). If I run across
>any photos in housecleaning, I'll post them for you.

They were angels, whoever they were! We loved listening to her stories
although her last trip was a little scary.  She may have thrown her cell
phone away after that.

Betty

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> I thought it was one of the most important speeches of his political career
> and that he delivered it masterfully. This was not just the last speech of
> the Iraq war, it was the first speech of the 2004 Elections. The whole day

Abosolutely.  He memorized his lines beautifully, didn't screw them up
at all that I noticed, and was for sure aiming at reelection, counting
on the ignorance of the voting population and their belief that if he
said that attacking Iraq was retaliation against the 9/11 perpetrators
then by damn it was.

>  If our enemies didn't get the message during Shock & Awe, they
> should have gotten it tonight: this is a guy who isn't afraid to back his
> words up with action. I am proud this guy is from Texas.

You are dead right.  He for sure is gonna stick by his word and keep
kicking ass until the US controls the whole world.  Mississippi gets all
kinds of bad press, but this is one I can praise the gopods for.  I am
proud that Dubya is not from Mississippi (though the state as a whole
voted big-time for him and no doubt will again -- I am <proud> to be of
my county, which is often a bit out-of-kilter with the overall state
vote.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Please, woman, to the Rock!

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thursday, May 1, 2003 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: Infuckingcredible

> I thought it was one of the most important speeches of his
> political career
> and that he delivered it masterfully. This was not just the last
> speech of
> the Iraq war, it was the first speech of the 2004 Elections. The
> whole day
> was carried off perfectly, from the wartime commander making an
> assaultlanding, to the images of him walking among his troops, to
> the perfectly
> staged speech (did they turn the Lincoln into the southeast so
> that the sun
> fell across his left shoulder?), Bush captured the perfect tone. I
> didn'teven vote for this guy in 2000, but I have to say, I just
> love him now. The
> unhurried pacing of his delivery, the way he narrows his eyes to
> littleslits and sets his jaw, everything seems to convey the
> message of quiet
> strength. If our enemies didn't get the message during Shock &
> Awe, they
> should have gotten it tonight: this is a guy who isn't afraid to
> back his
> words up with action. I am proud this guy is from Texas.
>
> -aht
> And that's the way it is...
>

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>He memorized his lines beautifully, didn't screw them up
>at all that I noticed,
>
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


You mean he didn't use a TelePrompTer? Wow, maybe he IS Superman!

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > I confess lack of much first-hand knowledge of Texas food -- have
> > spentvery little time there in my life.  The Mexican makes sense.
> > But no to
> > bbq.  Or at least according to what I've heard about what is
> > consideredbbq in Texas.  They don't even kill the right animal for it.
>
> No what, oh obtuse one? You agree? It does, it sucks right?

Agree with what?  You've lost me.  I said that it makes sense to me that
Texas might have good Mexican food, though I don't know that first-hand,
and that I have heard that Texas does not have good bbq, since they use
the wrong meat for it among other things.

I have eaten meals in Texas on various occasions but have no memory of
what I ate.  I do know that I would not seek out bbq there since I live
in the heart of bbq country.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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From: 14lodge@optonline.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Jeff wrote:
> > Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself.
> How could you
> > not be with these two:
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg

Sweet! Little fluffy dogs!

> Those aren't dogs -- they're stuffed toys!  For a real dog, look here:
>
> http://www.maynor.net/sptree.jpg

He really is beautiful.

I still haven't really decided what to do about getting a dog. I'm not sure we can handle it. How does Spencer deal with your being out much of the day, Natalie?

Marie

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Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:

> but they don't do a very good job selling it to tourists (unlike, say a
> good pastrami sandwich in you-know-where).
>

After having mediocre to barely passable food in unknown places, Alan and I
find the nearest fire station and ask them for recommendations.  So far
this has worked great.  Good food at reasonable prices.

Terry

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Betty wrote:
> >Those aren't dogs -- they're stuffed toys!  For a real dog, look here:
> >
> >http://www.maynor.net/sptree.jpg
>
> He looks as if he is trying to take dump.

I don't think so.  He sits for ages in that position and doesn't seem in
need of dumping.

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At 10:17 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>the way he narrows his eyes to little
>slits and sets his jaw,

Beware the squinty eyes!

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I have no idea.
>
>     Oh, Doris, Doris, Doris.  Don't ever, EVER, admit ignorance about
a
> subject of which you have no knowledge!  That's not the Words-L <way>.
>
> JMW

:-)     - D. M.

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Subject: Re:      Re: Jeff, please tell Alyce
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>
> I will be here until the 15th. My brother is coming the 17th. I talked
to
> Alyce's sister tonight and she has decided she probably won't come.
Kate
> Lindemann and an associate will be here Saturday to start organizing
and
> assessing the books. The idea is to locate booksellers who might be
> interested in purchasing entire categories in areas of their
specialty.
>
> I've talked to Berta a little about what we might do for a memorial
> service. As you know, Alyce isn't particularly religious and is going
to be
> cremated. We're thinking about an "open house" memorial gathering here
at
> the house in Germantown sometime in July, when friends and relatives
can
> gather, reminisce and drink a toast to the empress.

That sounds like an excellent idea.  Perhaps you would
also accept written contributions from those who are
unable to attend?

We are already missing Alyce's postings on the list.
It's hard to believe things can happen this quickly.

                   - D. M.

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At 11:16 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:


>Perhaps you would
>also accept written contributions from those who are
>unable to attend?

A great idea!


>We are already missing Alyce's postings on the list.
>It's hard to believe things can happen this quickly.

She's gone downhill quickly. I've been by her bedside for the past hour,
and would be surprised if she lasts the night. Of course, she's amazed
before more than once.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I have eaten meals in Texas on various occasions but have no memory of
> what I ate.  I do know that I would not seek out bbq there since I live
> in the heart of bbq country.

LOL I'm so amused.  Mississippi is the heart of BBQ Country???? LOL

--
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> If you Google web and news for <rumsfeld mc-130>, you get recent hits
that
> may be connected with Maj. Markland, e.g.:

I'll do that, but thanks so much for finding these two
articles for me . . more than I would ever know if I
waited to hear it from him.  He doesn't talk much
about his work.

Oh, he's moving on up from Major.  Was notified some
time back, but they gotta have a ceremony and can't do
that til they get home.

               - D. M.

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> I thought it was one of the most important speeches of his political career
> and that he delivered it masterfully. This was not just the last speech of
> the Iraq war, it was the first speech of the 2004 Elections. The whole day
> was carried off perfectly, from the wartime commander making an assault
> landing, to the images of him walking among his troops, to the perfectly
> staged speech (did they turn the Lincoln into the southeast so that the sun
> fell across his left shoulder?), Bush captured the perfect tone. I didn't
> even vote for this guy in 2000, but I have to say, I just love him now. The
> unhurried pacing of his delivery, the way he narrows his eyes to little
> slits and sets his jaw, everything seems to convey the message of quiet
> strength. If our enemies didn't get the message during Shock & Awe, they
> should have gotten it tonight: this is a guy who isn't afraid to back his
> words up with action. I am proud this guy is from Texas.
>
> -aht
> And that's the way it is...

My thoughts as I listened to him were "Ah, the Hawk is on the loose."
The battle was won, but the war on terrorism continues.  This president
carries a big stick and won't hesitate to use it.

--
Sylvia Edwards
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> >We are already missing Alyce's postings on the list.
> >It's hard to believe things can happen this quickly.
>
> She's gone downhill quickly. I've been by her bedside for the past
hour,
> and would be surprised if she lasts the night. Of course, she's amazed
> before more than once.

Jeff, it was exactly a year ago that I sat with my sister
in Wisconsin as she went through these final stages . .
and then final moments.  She died on May 4.  I posted to
the list now and then during this time, and then described
to them what we were doing on her final night, which was
spent in a beautiful Hospice facility.  I remember how much
it helped to have the support of Words-L.

I hope it helps you to know that we are all thinking and
caring about Alyce as she makes this transition . . and
about you who must watch.  Not fun, but it's life.

                  - D. M.

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Adam/LH:

> > floral scent!
> >
> > You talk funny.
> >
> > Ann
>
>I say ont and idear, too.

Meeber!

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Pete:

>Nice pic on whitehouse.gov <http://tinyurl.com/asgd>:

>"President George W. Bush walks across the tarmac with NFO Lt. Ryan
>Phillips to Navy One, an S-3B Viking jet, at Naval Air Station North Island
>in San Diego Thursday, May 1, 2003."

I didn't watch any teevee yesterday so I haven't seen the triumphal pix yet.
Going by online descriptions Karl Rove prolly has enough footage for
gazillion
fundraising videos, the entire 2004 campaign etc. etc. Once again I'm mega-
impressed by Dubya's political skills.

-rashmi



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"again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

>Hmmm...  I guess I need to firm up
>this concept in my own head.  Maybe
>all I mean is something as simple
>as posting rich.

okay. I didn't get this so I'm glad you spelled it out.
FWIW, I take a more charitable view of posts praising
hometowns, states whatever. So people like where they
happen/choose to live and like to talk about it. Big deal.
I don't understand why everyone gets all bent outta shape
when this happens.

Btw, Richard what do you (and others) think of the
'punishment' meted out to Wall St firms? I say too little too late.

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11:51 30.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:

>>Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
>
>Too far south.  Come up north.

HB on the 17th Betty!

Espen

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22:57 30.04.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>again, all around:
>= >my horizons have been foreshortened by living
>= >in this tiny little country.  forgive me.
>=
>= So the  "in the .us they think 500 years
>= is a long time, in the .nl they think 500
>= miles is a long way" thing, is furreal, eh?
>=
>
>yup.
>
>Amsterdam - Prague: 583 miles  est. 11 hr 18 min
>Chico, CA - San Diego, CA: 603 miles est. 9 hours 44 min

Oslo - Bergen, 500 kilometers (!) 8 hours.

Espen

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20:23 30.04.2003 -0400 skrev Carolyn Ostrander:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>> >> =
>> >> = The message I got from that was this: if you want to convince people you're
>> >> = an old-timer, you call it sequel.  If you want to convince people you're a
>> >> = young turk, sneer at codgers who call it sequel.
>> >> =
>> >>
>> >> Yes, but then what do they call it?
>> >> steph
>> >> surrounded by old fart wannabees
>> >
>> >Ess Cue Ell. Of course. Geez, young turk wannabes can't work out the
>> >simplest details. Send 'em back to Cold Fusion Boot Camp.
>>
>> Hey - I have said Ess Cue Ell for more than twenty years!
>>
>> Espen
>
>Was it you who started that?

Possibly ...
But i used to say that to make cleare the difference between SQL and IBM inhouse SEQUEL.

Espen

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= >
= >Amsterdam - Prague: 583 miles  est. 11 hr 18 min
= >Chico, CA - San Diego, CA: 603 miles est. 9 hours 44 min
=
= Oslo - Bergen, 500 kilometers (!) 8 hours.
=
= Espen

Well, duh.  That's because the two trips I posted are
predominately FLAT.  And you can go 100 kph up The Grapevine if
your vehicle is not wimpy.

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Jeff wrote:

>> Will you be able to stay in Germantown for awhile longer?  Or will
>> Alyce's
>> sister come back if need be?  Has anything been decided about all the
>> books?  A buyer found?
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>
> I will be here until the 15th. My brother is coming the 17th. I talked to
> Alyce's sister tonight and she has decided she probably won't come. Kate
> Lindemann and an associate will be here Saturday to start organizing and
> assessing the books. The idea is to locate booksellers who might be
> interested in purchasing entire categories in areas of their specialty.
>
> I've talked to Berta a little about what we might do for a memorial
> service. As you know, Alyce isn't particularly religious and is going to be
> cremated. We're thinking about an "open house" memorial gathering here at
> the house in Germantown sometime in July, when friends and relatives can
> gather, reminisce and drink a toast to the empress.
>

        I'll be in the northeast for the first few weeks in July, so
that would make it possible for me to make a roadtrip
perhaps with the other area Wordslers (I live in the St.
Louis area).  Are you holding onto the house?

        I am not being sappy as Alyce would disaprove, but I  am
missing her particularly now that Anne has chosen to come
back to us as a the mother character from that Sandra
Bullock movie.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>
>        I'll be in the northeast for the first few weeks in July, so
>that would make it possible for me to make a roadtrip
>perhaps with the other area Wordslers (I live in the St.
>Louis area).  Are you holding onto the house?
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Rita,

It would be great if we could get a whole bunch of Wordslers here in July.
Don't know if she would approve, but we're talking about also having a
memorial service at the Reformed Church here--a beautiful old building. We
will be selling the house, but it will take at least until July to get it
cleaned out.

Alyce is still here this morning, sleeping deeply.

Take care,
Jeff

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This courtesy of Dr. Jha, our resident World Lit faculty member ...

AS
_____________________________________________________

Hey everyone, check out times and dates below for a 12-film festival of
classic Hindi phillums on the Turner Classics Movie channel. Movies are
running every Thursday night in June, and all times are East Coast times,
perhaps keeping a few of us die-hards up rather late...
Included is the link to TCM's bit on Bollywood. Enjoy!
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http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/MovieNews/Index/0,,26540,00.html

Thursday June 5
8:00 PM: "Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge" (1995), A young man follows the woman
he loves to India to stop her arranged marriage. Shahrukh Khan, Kajol,
Amrish Puri. D: Aditya Chopra. 181m. LBX

11:30 PM: "Bombay" (1995), Religious unrest threatens the marriage of a
Hindu man and a Muslim woman. Arvind Swamy, Manisha Koirala, Nasser. D: Mani
Rathnam. C 135m. LBX

2:00 AM: "Amar Akbar Anthony" (1977), Three brothers separated at birth come
together to track a kidnapper. Vinod Khanna, Rishi Kapoor, Amitabh Bachchan.
D: Mammohan Dasai. C 162m.
Thursday June 12

8:00 PM: "Rangeela" (1995), A young actress' rise to stardom is complicated
by conflicting affections for her co-star and her childhood sweetheart.
Jackie Shroff, Aamir Khan, Urmila Matondkar. D: Ram Gopal Varma. 143m. LBX

10:30 PM: "Dil Chahta Hai" (2001), Three friends have their lives
transformed by love during one marvelous summer. Aamir Khan, Saif Ali Khan,
Akshaye Khanna. D: Farhan Akhtar. 183m.

2:00 AM: "Sholay" (1975), A vengeful police chief forces two small-time
crooks to hunt down the bandit who destroyed his family. Dharmendra, Amitabh
Bachchan, Sanjeev Kumar. D: Ramesh Sippy. 200m.
Thursday June 19

8:00 PM: "Pakeezah" (1971), A free-spirited young woman refuses a prince's
proposal for love of a man she only met once. Ashok Kumar, Meena Kumari,
Raaj Kumar. D: Kamal Amrohi. 146m. LBX

10:30 PM: "Junglee" (1961), Young lovers defy the caste system to fight for
happiness. Shammi Kapoor, Saira Banu, Helen. D: Subodh Mukherji. 140m.

1:00 AM: "Awaara" (1951) A bitter young man vows revenge on the two men who
destroyed his mother's life. Raj Kapoor, Prithvari Kapoor, Nargis. D: Raj
Kapoor. 171m.

Thursday June 26
8:00 PM: "Mother India" (1957), A family struggles to survive the
machinations of an evil moneylender. Nargis, Sunil Dutt, Raaj Kumar. D:
Mehboob Khan. 174m.

11:00 PM: "Do Bigha Zamin" (1953), Family members risk all in a move to
Calcutta to raise money and save their land. Balraj Sahni, Nirupa Roy, Ratan
Kumar. D: Bimal Roy. 125m.

1:30 AM: "Pyaasa" (1957), A young poet searches the world for pure love.
Guru Dutt, Mala Sinha, Waheeda Rehman. D: Guru Dutt. 141m.

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>
> >Nice pic on whitehouse.gov <http://tinyurl.com/asgd>:
>
> >"President George W. Bush walks across the tarmac with NFO Lt. Ryan
> >Phillips to Navy One, an S-3B Viking jet, at Naval Air Station North
Island
> >in San Diego Thursday, May 1, 2003."
>
> I didn't watch any teevee yesterday so I haven't seen the triumphal
pix yet.
> Going by online descriptions Karl Rove prolly has enough footage for
> gazillion
> fundraising videos, the entire 2004 campaign etc. etc. Once again I'm
mega-
> impressed by Dubya's political skills.
>
> -rashmi

I got tied up with an appointment and missed
the speech entirely.  Didn't even see any playback
of it later.

            - D. M.

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
> Alyce is still here this morning, sleeping deeply.
>
> Take care,
> Jeff
>
Thank you for letting us know. She was my first thought on waking this
morning.
clo

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> I still haven't really decided what to do about getting a dog. I'm not sure we can handle it. How does Spencer deal with your being out much of the day, Natalie?

He seems fine.  Of course I'm not here to see how he spends his time, so
I can't give a first-hand report, but I don't get the feeling that he
suffers.  I think he sleeps a good bit of the time -- dogs seem to sleep
quite a bit.  And he probably strolls around in the backyard, possibly
playing with some of his toys, possibly watching coming and going
through the fence, possibly leaping for birds and squirrels on the
fence.

I would not want to have a dog without a fence.  I realize that many
people do leave dogs in houses/apartments all day, but I would prefer
not to.  And having a doggy-door is wonderful in every way -- both when
I'm home and especially when I'm not here.  I don't have to worry about
what the weather is doing when I go off and leave him -- like if it's
extremely cold whether I should leave him inside instead of out in the
elements with just a flimsy doghouse for protection.  It's also the
doggy-door that enables me to go off and leave him for 24-36 hours, as I
have now done three different times with apparently no suffering on his
part.  I could actually leave him for more than a single night (since he
doesn't gorge himself trying to eat all the food at once), but I would
worry about being gone that long, unless I had somebody coming to check
on it.  (I did that with Bernard at times -- left him for two or three
days with a trusted friend coming once a day to give him canned food and
his heartworm pill -- he continued to take the once-a-day kind instead
of switching to the monthly pills -- Spencer started off with the
monthly but now does the once-every-six-months shot instead.)

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> FWIW, I take a more charitable view of posts praising
> hometowns, states whatever. So people like where they
> happen/choose to live and like to talk about it. Big deal.
> I don't understand why everyone gets all bent outta shape
> when this happens.

I don't mind at all hearing people praise their locales.  I find that
upbeat and fun.  That's different from putting down other people's
choices of where to live, which I find tacky except in jokes -- jokes
like the famous bbq wars, etc.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Chapman" <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
> back to us as a the mother character from that Sandra Bullock movie.

Don't be hatin'--

-a
Does Keanu Reeves qualify as a mother character?

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > Alyce is still here this morning, sleeping deeply.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Jeff
> >
> Thank you for letting us know. She was my first thought on waking this
> morning.

As soon as I got to (this morning) Jeff's post from last night about her
condition, I did something I normally don't do with list mail -- looked
down the queue for morning mail from him and read this one before going
back up and resuming my other mail-reading/replying.

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Anne Toal wrote:

> > back to us as a the mother character from that Sandra Bullock movie.
>
> Don't be hatin'--
>
> -a
> Does Keanu Reeves qualify as a mother character?

I don't know the movie, but I must admit that I am always glad when abht
is with us, no matter what kind of <mutant> views she might be
espousing.  I like the way she says what she says, whatever it is that
she's saying.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> > > Alyce is still here this morning, sleeping deeply.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > Thank you for letting us know. She was my first thought on waking
this
> > morning.
>
> As soon as I got to (this morning) Jeff's post from last night about
her
> condition, I did something I normally don't do with list mail --
looked
> down the queue for morning mail from him and read this one before
going
> back up and resuming my other mail-reading/replying.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Hmm.  I did the same thing.
Does that make us clones?

          - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Hmm.  I did the same thing.
> Does that make us clones?

Yes.  Please make your signature file immediately.  See below for the
content.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > As to their appearance I tend to think of Onslow from "Keeping Up
> > Appearances".
>
> You get that show?

I did. When I had a TV set.

> Neat! I love it.

It was on an Estonian channel, and even if they've quit showing it, I
guess there's always  possibility to watch it over some "sky channels".
Or watch videos. I guess I'll do both at some time.

Why I have not got TV is that nobody at home wants to live in one and
the same room with a TV set. Perhaps I've mentioned it earlier. We have
three rooms, one for both sons, young men, one for my daughter (and her
guinea pig), and one for me. The kitchen is too small -- if most of us
would like to watch a movie, and one of us tries to fry potatoes at the
same time, well, that won't do.

Yet I've started thinking more and more about buying one, and a video
recorder, too. I'm sure one day it'll happen, and then we'll see who's
going to share a room with it. Or, which would be quite natural, the
young people start moving away on some day, one by one.

I miss TV a bit, "KUA" among everything that might be on, but for two
years I've managed with radio and Internet, and newspapers, and I've
read more books during these years.

Kristin

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> like the famous bbq wars, etc.

In this barbeque discussion, I realized that I have not yet put forth my
taste in barbeque. I don't get all shook up over what kind of meat is in the
'que. I've had delicious barbeque chicken, beef brisket, beef butt roast,
ribs, pork ribs, pork loin, and even shrimp. What qualifies something as
barbeque is not the meat but the sauce. It's all about the sauce and what
kind of wood is used to cook the meat. Southern states tend towards hickory,
which is more plentiful there than it is in Texas. South Texas uses a lot of
mesquite wood, while Central Texas will use pecan and mesquite, unless you
find yourself in a chi-chi bar in Reclaimed Bohemia, Austin. There you might
find any damned wood you can imagine, including shredded baseball bats and
the keel of the Santa Maria. Austin barbeque is either great or laughable.
South Texas barbeque can be great but there is an awful lot of mediocre
stuff out there too. Every type of wood contributes its own unique flavor to
the meat. A local variant, Mexican style barbeque, requires that the wood be
cooked over a mesquite fire while encased in foil. The meat cannot be
directly exposed to the smoke.

There are as many varieties of barbeque as there are backyard grills.
Everyone thinks he has the secret to perfect barbeque. Some people rub sour
orange on the meat before cooking it. Reputations are built on how good an
entertainer someone is based on how well he knows his way around a grill
when there are a hundred beer drinking friends waiting to be fed.

That's about all for now, got to go to work.
-aht

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Hmm.  I did the same thing.
> > Does that make us clones?
>
> Yes.  Please make your signature file immediately.  See below for the
> content.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Then I must unclone.  Anyway I'm leaving in a
few minutes for Omaha for the day.

                 - D. M.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I love Onslo, by the way, and think Daisy is very smart to
> adore him as she does.

Although almost everything has been discussed in Words-l, I do not remember
whether there's been a topic about embarrassment because of other people. I
mean a situation when somebody is embarrassed by his/her partner's
behaviour. It is so common. I may say that I've been so. I've told myself
that it is silly, for he is he, or she is she, and I am I -- so why on
earth must I feel any shame for what s/he is doing. Especially if I
actually like that person, be him/her my friend, or date, or partner.

Perhaps I've learned to better accept other people as they are -- yes,
certainly I have. And I've talked about the kind of situations mentioned
above with some friends. Rarely, but enough to understand that it is not
only me who might get embarrased in such a silly way.

Kristin

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Thanks for passing this on, Amy.

            - D. M.




> This courtesy of Dr. Jha, our resident World Lit faculty member ...
>
> AS
> _____________________________________________________
>
> Hey everyone, check out times and dates below for a 12-film festival
of
> classic Hindi phillums on the Turner Classics Movie channel. Movies
are
> running every Thursday night in June, and all times are East Coast
times,
> perhaps keeping a few of us die-hards up rather late...
> Included is the link to TCM's bit on Bollywood. Enjoy!
> ------
> http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/MovieNews/Index/0,,26540,00.html
>
> Thursday June 5
> 8:00 PM: "Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge" (1995), A young man follows the
woman
> he loves to India to stop her arranged marriage. Shahrukh Khan, Kajol,
> Amrish Puri. D: Aditya Chopra. 181m. LBX
>
> 11:30 PM: "Bombay" (1995), Religious unrest threatens the marriage of
a
> Hindu man and a Muslim woman. Arvind Swamy, Manisha Koirala, Nasser.
D: Mani
> Rathnam. C 135m. LBX
>
> 2:00 AM: "Amar Akbar Anthony" (1977), Three brothers separated at
birth come
> together to track a kidnapper. Vinod Khanna, Rishi Kapoor, Amitabh
Bachchan.
> D: Mammohan Dasai. C 162m.
> Thursday June 12
>
> 8:00 PM: "Rangeela" (1995), A young actress' rise to stardom is
complicated
> by conflicting affections for her co-star and her childhood
sweetheart.
> Jackie Shroff, Aamir Khan, Urmila Matondkar. D: Ram Gopal Varma. 143m.
LBX
>
> 10:30 PM: "Dil Chahta Hai" (2001), Three friends have their lives
> transformed by love during one marvelous summer. Aamir Khan, Saif Ali
Khan,
> Akshaye Khanna. D: Farhan Akhtar. 183m.
>
> 2:00 AM: "Sholay" (1975), A vengeful police chief forces two
small-time
> crooks to hunt down the bandit who destroyed his family. Dharmendra,
Amitabh
> Bachchan, Sanjeev Kumar. D: Ramesh Sippy. 200m.
> Thursday June 19
>
> 8:00 PM: "Pakeezah" (1971), A free-spirited young woman refuses a
prince's
> proposal for love of a man she only met once. Ashok Kumar, Meena
Kumari,
> Raaj Kumar. D: Kamal Amrohi. 146m. LBX
>
> 10:30 PM: "Junglee" (1961), Young lovers defy the caste system to
fight for
> happiness. Shammi Kapoor, Saira Banu, Helen. D: Subodh Mukherji. 140m.
>
> 1:00 AM: "Awaara" (1951) A bitter young man vows revenge on the two
men who
> destroyed his mother's life. Raj Kapoor, Prithvari Kapoor, Nargis. D:
Raj
> Kapoor. 171m.
>
> Thursday June 26
> 8:00 PM: "Mother India" (1957), A family struggles to survive the
> machinations of an evil moneylender. Nargis, Sunil Dutt, Raaj Kumar.
D:
> Mehboob Khan. 174m.
>
> 11:00 PM: "Do Bigha Zamin" (1953), Family members risk all in a move
to
> Calcutta to raise money and save their land. Balraj Sahni, Nirupa Roy,
Ratan
> Kumar. D: Bimal Roy. 125m.
>
> 1:30 AM: "Pyaasa" (1957), A young poet searches the world for pure
love.
> Guru Dutt, Mala Sinha, Waheeda Rehman. D: Guru Dutt. 141m.
>

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Then I must unclone.  Anyway I'm leaving in a
> > few minutes for Omaha for the day.
>
> If you see my former student Frank, tell him hi.  He has red hair.  So
> to be on the safe side, just say "Natalie says hi" to any red-headed
> thirtiesh male you see.  He teaches at the U of N at O.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


If he's in medicine I will.  I'll be at the
University Hospital.  (not as a patient)

              - D. M.

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I may never eat bbq again:

http://www.utc.edu/simcenter/hawgs/morepictures.html

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Anne Toal wrote:

> Everyone thinks he has the secret to perfect barbeque.

Here's a good url for directing you to a variety of other bbq urls:

http://www.bluechef.com/link/bbqlinks.html

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> above with some friends. Rarely, but enough to understand that it is not
> only me who might get embarrased in such a silly way.

I think it happens to pretty much everybody at one time or another.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Then I must unclone.  Anyway I'm leaving in a
> few minutes for Omaha for the day.

If you see my former student Frank, tell him hi.  He has red hair.  So
to be on the safe side, just say "Natalie says hi" to any red-headed
thirtiesh male you see.  He teaches at the U of N at O.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> If he's in medicine I will.  I'll be at the
> University Hospital.  (not as a patient)

He's in the English Department -- teaches linguistics.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I started to mention motorcycles when the topic first arose of whether
> there were rednecks in Estonia, since I happened to go to some kind of
> market full of motorcyclists not far from the dock in Tallinn.  But I
> didn't discern enough about the people to know whether they might be
> rednecks.

>From everything I've read in this thread, and using some knowledge, or
images, got earlier from books and movies, I quite believe rednecks might be
uniquely US thing. There may be something close to it in Western Europe, but
I do not know.

When I started answering Karen's question whether there are rednecks here, it
seemed equally strange to answer 'yes', or 'no', or 'I don't know'. So I
tried to 'compose' something -- and in return I could read about interesting
things in the thread :)

As to those motorcyclists in Tallinn I do not know much about them either.
But every year there are some gatherings. Either only for those who ride
Harley Davidsons, or maybe for other fans. And I guess this kind of movement,
or fellowship, or how to call it, has been found in other countries long
before it reached here. And what I've read here in this thread about rednecks
perhaps only matches them as to a few points.

I wonder whether Faulkner has written about rednecks in his Southern novels.
I've been in trouble with these books, I've either reached no far with them,
or I've tried to compel myself to read them, and still remember little, but I
keep them in mind to start reading them once I feel being able to.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > Alyce is still here this morning, sleeping deeply.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > Thank you for letting us know. She was my first thought on waking this
> > morning.
>
>  -- looked
> down the queue for morning mail from him and read this one before going
> back up and resuming my other mail-reading/replying.

I did the same. I do not want to say good-bye to her yet. Reluctant to
accept it. And only say, Jeff, you're certainly giving a good support to
your mother. Maybe she is feeling, even when sleeping, that you're there,
who knows.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I wonder whether Faulkner has written about rednecks in his Southern novels.

The Snopes family would probably be considered rednecks, but I don't
think they are prototypical, especially not of today's rednecks -- of
the "I'm proud to be a redneck" type.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:31 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >
> > "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> >
> > > > Is this a longwinded way of saying 'pissing contest'?
> >
> > >I don't think so.  A pissing contest
> > >is "you suck" / "no, *you* suck".
> >
> > Hmmm. I think of pissing contest as "my <fillintheblank> is
> > bigger/better/kewler than yours".
> >
> > -rashmi
>
>Yeah, I agree - it's who can piss farther and write their name
>in the snow/on the wall; who can spit longer and more accurately;
>who can belch loudest, longest and most richly.
>
>But as V says, "everyone farts; only a select few talk
>about it over breakfast".
>
>clo

Yet another reason for Larry and Betty to avoid Tina and I at Acadiafest.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Despite some of the short comings I don't regret taking the package tour. I

There are definitely good points of tours.  For one thing, unless you
are a super good planner, tours are the best way to see the most
important sites efficiently.  And, as I think I mentioned last night, I
do like seeing sites, though it's not my favorite part of travel.

One thing I often do if visiting a country/city I've never visited
before is take local one-day or half-day tours of various kinds.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Thu, 1 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > What does seem to be true in my experience is that there is a macho
> > ethic involved, which supported them during the time when diversity,
> > openmindedness, and other "urban" and "upper class", "liberal" and
> > "educated" notions were in danger of changing the American way of life.
>
> I read a long, interesting article on this subject (though not re
> "rednecks" -- it was about the rightist agenda) in the online Nation a
> couple of days ago.  I meant to put it on my blog, but I don't get
> around to putting everything there that I find interesting.  Anyway, it
> was about the desire to return to the McKinley era.

McKinley?

McCarthy I would understand - why McKinley?
clo

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>
>She shouldn't have gotten all wishy washy. She spat on her hand and said
>she was in on the alliance, but then when asked what she was going to do,
>she said she didn't know, that she hadn't decided. She thought she had
>"the power" (her own words). I think she got what she deserved.
>
>Marie

You're right, of course. The fact is, it's a game, and the objective is to
win at all costs. If you can make lasting friendships along the way, fine,
but it's your own fault if you get voted off for being too nice or
wishy-washy. In some ways, it's a lot like life. In other ways, one would
hope that life is not like Survivor.

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>
>Having been through this waiting game with my stepfather and
>grandfather, I know how taxing it can be so my thoughts are definitely with
both Jeff and Alyce.
>
>lisa
>

The waiting is the hardest.

alec

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At 07:50 AM 5/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jeff wrote:
> >
> > Alyce is still here this morning, sleeping deeply.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Jeff
> >
>Thank you for letting us know. She was my first thought on waking this
>morning.
>clo

Same here, every morning I think of her as I'm getting ready for work. When
I get into the office the first thing I do is scan through words-l messages.

Having been through this waiting game with my stepfather and grandfather, I
know how taxing it can be so my thoughts are definitely with both Jeff and
Alyce.

lisa

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At 06:16 PM 5/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The people thing is one reason I don't like the idea of packaged tours,
>of the kind where a tour director leads the flock into the hotel and
>takes care of various interactions, etc.  The interactions of that kind
>-- finding a hotel, interacting with the person at the desk, etc. --
>constitute some of my favorite travel memories.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

My first trip to Europe was to Italy. My mother thought about where she
wanted to go, found hotels, made train reservations and did a few other
things in preparation. Once we were there, I navigated us around. There
were some stressful moments when I was a little uncomfortable with where we
ended up and how we were going to get out of the area. For the most part
though, it was great. We saw a lot, we slept late on a few occasions and
were free to leave places we didn't care for.

My next trip to Europe was last year when we went to Spain. Unlike Italy,
it was a package tour. For this trip I appreciated things like, not having
to wait in line to get into the Prado. The catch was, we only saw the
paintings of three artists before we were given about 20 minutes of free
time to explore the rest of the museum.

Another downside was getting up early every day and being worn out by 9 pm
every night. And then there was the hotel that featured a very disgruntled
staff. I would like to have left behind but alas there was nothing we could
do about it.

Despite some of the short comings I don't regret taking the package tour. I
wouldn't take another one to Spain but I would take one to a country I
hadn't been to, for instance France. Since I speak no French and cannot
understand it at all I'd like someone to usher me through the country upon
my initial visit.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> Yet another reason for Larry and Betty to avoid Tina and I at Acadiafest.
>
> lisa

?

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>
>
>The waiting is the hardest.
>
>alec


You're so right, Alec. She finally woke up at 10 and used the stool. It was
very exerting for her. I hope she can go back to sleep soon.

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Betty:
> >Aren't you infested with communists out there?
> Probably, but I meant here on this list.

WORDS-L is infested with communists!

--
Richard                go away, aruis

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At 10:37 AM 5/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > Yet another reason for Larry and Betty to avoid Tina and I at Acadiafest.
> >
> > lisa
>
>?

Ahhh.. maybe I shouldn't have said "Acadiafest" implying I meant the entire
weekend. I should have said at the Hearthside where L&B and T& I are staying.

Previously I warned L&B to avoid us at breakfast if they wanted their
coffee time to be quiet. Now I'm warning them to avoid us at breakfast if
they don't want to listen to fart talk.. or possibly even the farts themselves.

lisa

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> Nice pic on whitehouse.gov <http://tinyurl.com/asgd>:

My first thought on seeing him (well, my
second thought -- my first was "Where the
hell is CSI?") was Dukakis's moronic tank
driver pic, and that "take off the hat" is
the kind of detail that geedub does not
screw up on.

My morning paper made the exact observation
(though they used the word "unfortunate"
instead of "moronic").

--
Richard                go away, aruis

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At 10:25 AM 5/2/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>11:51 30.04.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:
>
> >>Any Wordslers with time to kill May 17th to 20th?
> >
> >Too far south.  Come up north.
>
>HB on the 17th Betty!
>
>Espen

Thank you!  And Happy Independence Day  to you!  You can celebrate here.

Betty

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On Thu, 1 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > go to the City," I would say "What city?"  But if somebody in Wayne, NY,
> > > said to me that he goes into the City frequently for concerts, I would
> > > assume NYC.
> > That would be an incorrect assumption for most in Wayne - they
> > usually mean Rochester, or occasionally Auburn or Syracuse.
>
> Interesting.  I thought of that as an example because of having spent a
> night in Wayne, NJ, and driven on toward a fest (was in ClamBake?) via
> NYC and having been in MAJOR traffic between Wayne and NYC and because
> the person I visited in Wayne regularly said things like he was taking
> his children into "The City" meaning NYC or he went into "The City" for
> such-and-such.
>

Well, some consider NJ just a suburb of Nyc; others prefer to think of
Nyc as part of NJ. My Neuwe Amsterdam ancestors' kids settled equally on
Long Island, Nyc, and in NJ, and I think that there were lots of early
commercial and family ties that set the stage for all kinds of
similarities.

Wayne NJ would not be a good analogy to Wayne, NY (where, by the way, I
learned my first lessons about beekeeping).

clo

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On Thu, 1 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
> > of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
> > tend not to have Union jobs;
>
> Fwiw, Unions have never been <in> in the South.  I think we've discussed
> this before.
>

Oh, yes - back in '91, wasn't it? I remember now.

but North or South, union guys often have a take on things that is
<slightly> more liberal due to the perception that employers are sometimes
bigger assholes without government intervention than they are when under
scrutiny.

clo

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Doris Markland writes,

>I got tied up with an appointment and missed the speech entirely.  Didn't
>even see any playback of it later.

It's a keeper.  Text, RealAudio and RealVideo transcripts are at
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/iraq/20030501-15.html>.

Pete

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On Thu, 1 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Thu, 1 May 2003, Kristin Sarv quoted:
>
> >> >People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
> >> >but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
> >> >of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
> >> >tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
> >> >in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
> >> >in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
> >> >drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
> >> >either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
> >> >have sported mullets.
>
> Hmmm. I may qualify. I have owned both a pickup and a morotcycle. I
> have had only one Union job. I have drunk beer and smoked pot. I have
> listened to country music and Southern rock.
>
> But no mullets and no tattoos. And no construction work. Maybe I am a
> pinkneck - and I have been called <off-white).
>
> Bethany
>

I think that one of the most interesting thing about the "redneck"
phenomenon is that redneck pride is really a melding of pride in a variety
of different kinds of working class experiences. In a way, being a redneck
is being a quintessential American - it is American patriotism. Joanna
Kadi, in "Working Class", makes an incredible big deal about how no one
has a right to play an ethnic drum unless they belong to the ethnic group
or have received the blessing of memberS (plural) of the ethnic group.
Then she claims redneck attitudes and country music as part of <her>
heritage, on the basis of her childhood here in America.

It's hard to find people who don't share at least some of the core
attitudes - including anti-intellectualism - even here on a college
campus. Profs are always sniping/scoffing at each others' elitism.

It's also hard to find a gathering where no one drives a truck, no
one admires a macho ethic, no one says "if they cain't speak good English,
they ain't really American" or some variant, etc.

Mullets are optional.
clo

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Natalie et al,
Did you catch Survivor last night? Poor Christy...I was kind of pulling for
her to get to the finals. Just two more episodes...

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:55 AM
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>
>
>Natalie et al,
>Did you catch Survivor last night? Poor Christy...I was kind
>of pulling for
>her to get to the finals. Just two more episodes...
>

We were upset, Christy got screwed and did not see it coming.


alec

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-rashmi:
> 'punishment' meted out to Wall St firms?

It made me think of the tobacco
settlement: indemnifying <victims>
for their own stupidity, but then
not using much of the money for
that purpose.

Today they're touting (get this)
airline stocks.

--
Richard                go away, aruis

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At 06:28 PM 5/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > At 08:42 PM 4/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >like most Mississippians, am highly pissed off by some outsider who knows
> > >nothing making critical comments.
> >
> > Typical.. typical Mississippian behavior.
>
>? That's why I said "like most Mississippians."  It is indeed a typical
>reaction.

Yeah.. I was just being fresh. It loses something in email translation.

oh well..

lisa

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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>The Snopes family would probably be considered rednecks,

Not so much rednecks as Pure White Trash (tm).

-aht

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I just checked my archives. From email lists, I save only selected
messages. From alyce, I have saved 133 messages (from October 27 2000 to
the present). She spoke well of many things and, more importantly, seemed
always to be fully present in her postings. I shall always love and
value her.

Bethany

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I didn't say exactly what I meant there; let me try again -

I believe that at base, America <is> a tension or dialogue between core
values -
belief in education vs distrust of educated people as elite;
respect for wealth vs anti-aristocratic anger;
pluralism and pride in inclusion vs xenophobia and distrust of <anything>
different

It's hard to find Americans who don't embody the tension, though one bit
or the other may be at the forefront at any given moment; and the rednecks
I know are fascinating in this way, because in addition to these
commonalities we mentioned, there are always surprising dimensions to them
- e.g. the bowling champ/truck driving/beer guzzling hunter who meditates
every morning, or who participates in antiwar demonstrations or who
volunteers at the local day care center and took a year's paternity leave
when his kid was born.

clo


On Fri, 2 May 2003 clostran@mailbox.syr.edu wrote:

> On Thu, 1 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 May 2003, Kristin Sarv quoted:
> >
> > >> >People who consider themselves genuinely rednecks may ride motorcycles
> > >> >but most often drive trucks. I know more people who are proud to think
> > >> >of themselves as redneck who live in the south than the north. They
> > >> >tend not to have Union jobs; they often have tattoos which they got
> > >> >in the military; and they often work as mechanics or unskilled labor
> > >> >in areas like construction. Most of the ones I have hung out with
> > >> >drink beer; about half smoke pot too. Most have tended to listen
> > >> >either to country music or Southern rock; many (male and female)
> > >> >have sported mullets.
> >
> > Hmmm. I may qualify. I have owned both a pickup and a morotcycle. I
> > have had only one Union job. I have drunk beer and smoked pot. I have
> > listened to country music and Southern rock.
> >
> > But no mullets and no tattoos. And no construction work. Maybe I am a
> > pinkneck - and I have been called <off-white).
> >
> > Bethany
> >
>
> I think that one of the most interesting thing about the "redneck"
> phenomenon is that redneck pride is really a melding of pride in a variety
> of different kinds of working class experiences. In a way, being a redneck
> is being a quintessential American - it is American patriotism. Joanna
> Kadi, in "Working Class", makes an incredible big deal about how no one
> has a right to play an ethnic drum unless they belong to the ethnic group
> or have received the blessing of memberS (plural) of the ethnic group.
> Then she claims redneck attitudes and country music as part of <her>
> heritage, on the basis of her childhood here in America.
>
> It's hard to find people who don't share at least some of the core
> attitudes - including anti-intellectualism - even here on a college
> campus. Profs are always sniping/scoffing at each others' elitism.
>
> It's also hard to find a gathering where no one drives a truck, no
> one admires a macho ethic, no one says "if they cain't speak good English,
> they ain't really American" or some variant, etc.
>
> Mullets are optional.
> clo
>

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 10:37 AM 5/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >lisa alfieri wrote:
> > >
> > > Yet another reason for Larry and Betty to avoid Tina and I at Acadiafest.
> > >
> > > lisa
> >
> >?
>
> Ahhh.. maybe I shouldn't have said "Acadiafest" implying I meant the entire
> weekend. I should have said at the Hearthside where L&B and T& I are staying.
>
> Previously I warned L&B to avoid us at breakfast if they wanted their
> coffee time to be quiet. Now I'm warning them to avoid us at breakfast if
> they don't want to listen to fart talk.. or possibly even the farts themselves.
>
> lisa
>

Clearly the Hearthside is the place to be.
clo

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>
> > Pity.  You should move to The Bay Area.
>
> Ha! My friend who moved there when I moved here is moving back here
> again.
>
> Karen
>
YaY!
clo

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At 12:15 PM 5/2/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >
> > > Pity.  You should move to The Bay Area.
> >
> > Ha! My friend who moved there when I moved here is moving back here
> > again.
> >
> > Karen
> >
>YaY!
>clo

YaY!  Indeed!   They should all move to Austin.  We have people who need
jobs here.

Betty

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Friday, May 2, 2003, 11:31:50 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> YaY!  Indeed!   They should all move to Austin.  We have people who need
> jobs here.

Unlike Austin...

NOT!!!!

Karen

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Friday, May 2, 2003, 11:15:06 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Pity.  You should move to The Bay Area.
>>
>> Ha! My friend who moved there when I moved here is moving back here
>> again.
>>
>> Karen
>>
> YaY!

Indeed. I've known him for 10 years, and we've never lived in the same
place.

The primary reason he's leaving is the same reason I left--can't buy a
house, can't make friends, all the friends you meet that are
interesting are geographically undesirable.

If he changes his mind to stay, he's moving to Mountain View--which is
what I told him to do in the first place...

Karen

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Friday, May 2, 2003, 11:08:37 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> It's hard to find Americans who don't embody the tension, though one bit
> or the other may be at the forefront at any given moment; and the rednecks
> I know are fascinating in this way, because in addition to these
> commonalities we mentioned, there are always surprising dimensions to them
> - e.g. the bowling champ/truck driving/beer guzzling hunter who meditates
> every morning, or who participates in antiwar demonstrations or who
> volunteers at the local day care center and took a year's paternity leave
> when his kid was born.

Yes. I like this description a lot.

Karen

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At 11:45 AM 5/2/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, May 2, 2003, 11:31:50 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > YaY!  Indeed!   They should all move to Austin.  We have people who need
> > jobs here.
>
>Unlike Austin...
>
>NOT!!!!

Sorry.  It's really bad news all over, isn't it? Not getting any better either.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 11:45 AM 5/2/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Friday, May 2, 2003, 11:31:50 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > YaY!  Indeed!   They should all move to Austin.  We have people who need
> > > jobs here.
> >
> >Unlike Austin...
> >
> >NOT!!!!
>
> Sorry.  It's really bad news all over, isn't it? Not getting any better either.
>
> Betty

Of course not. Why else the circus last night?
clo

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On 2 May 2003 at 16:16, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I've been in trouble with these books, I've either reached no far with
> them, . . .

Now, there's an expression I really like.

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I've been thinking about doing this for Alyce.  That way I can look up
at night and look for Alyce.  Is this foundation for real?

Is there a specific charity that Alyce would like for us to make
donations to in her name?



  Hi Friend,


  Name a Star in the sky after Mom this Mother's Day for only $39.95.
Give Mom a gift that is out-of-this-world!

  ...!

  Naming a Star after Mom is a unique and special gift she will never
forget. The Star
  Foundation is also the only Star Naming Service that gives to Charity
up to 25% of
  the total proceeds from all of the Star Packages purchased

  Sincerely,
  Carrie Proehl
  Star Foundation
  "naming stars for charity"

Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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I have seen this done for a couple of people, but don't know if this
is the group they used. It seems that they must be charging a hefty
overage on the actual cost of "buying" a star, if they can give 25%
to someone else.

I'll check with the NCSA to see who they used when they purchased a
star for Dr. Cornett.
clo


Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about doing this for Alyce.  That way I can look up
> at night and look for Alyce.  Is this foundation for real?
>
> Is there a specific charity that Alyce would like for us to make
> donations to in her name?
>
>   Hi Friend,
>
>   Name a Star in the sky after Mom this Mother's Day for only $39.95.
> Give Mom a gift that is out-of-this-world!
>
>   ...!
>
>   Naming a Star after Mom is a unique and special gift she will never
> forget. The Star
>   Foundation is also the only Star Naming Service that gives to Charity
> up to 25% of
>   the total proceeds from all of the Star Packages purchased
>
>   Sincerely,
>   Carrie Proehl
>   Star Foundation
>   "naming stars for charity"
>
> Sylvia Edwards
> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Sylvia Edwards writes,

>Is this foundation for real?

Probably, but...

FAQs:

http://www.iau.org/IAU/FAQ/starnames.html
http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_385.html

If you're still interested, som of the registries:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Shopping/Recreation/
Science_and_Nature/Astronomy/Space_Novelties/Star_Names/

or on one line,

http://tinyurl.com/au2v

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Sylvia Edwards writes,
>
> >Is this foundation for real?
>
> Probably, but...
>
> FAQs:
>
> http://www.iau.org/IAU/FAQ/starnames.html
> http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_385.html
>

Thanks, Pete.  I'm just going to pick a star and call it Alyce.   I also
would really like to make a donation to a reputable charity in her name.

IMFTATL:  What would be the best charity?

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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On Friday, May 02, 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> IMFTATL:  What would be the best charity?

This is probably a Jeff question, but I bet something like The Nature
Conservancy.

And Jeff, if you're reading this, I'm so glad that you are being with
us right now.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
> >Natalie et al,
> >Did you catch Survivor last night? Poor Christy...I was kind
> >of pulling for
> >her to get to the finals. Just two more episodes...
> >
>
> We were upset, Christy got screwed and did not see it coming.

She shouldn't have gotten all wishy washy. She spat on her hand and said she was in on the alliance, but then when asked what she was going to do, she said she didn't know, that she hadn't decided. She thought she had "the power" (her own words). I think she got what she deserved.

Marie

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At 01:30 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>I've been thinking about doing this for Alyce.  That way I can look up
>at night and look for Alyce.  Is this foundation for real?
>
>Is there a specific charity that Alyce would like for us to make
>donations to in her name?

She asked for memorials to go either to the Germantown Library or the
Columbia-Greene Humane Society. I'll post the addresses later. And, of
course, no flowers please!

Thanks for your thoughtfulness.

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>You're right, of course. The fact is, it's a game, and the objective is to
>win at all costs.

The interesting thing is what happens next.  I would guess next week the
two women and the two men bond together and vote Rob's ass off that
river.   That would be justice.  Now if Rob wins immunity, it's another
game.

I'm loving this issue of Survivor.  The one series where everyone was nice
really gagged me.  I didn't watch the first half of the next season because
of it.  The overly nice one that I'm referring to is the one that came down
to the young Texas man and the older Knoxville, Tennessee woman,
Tina.  Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.


    --bonniev

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Friday, May 2, 2003, 1:19:30 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
> more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.

Why? If it's a genuine feeling, why shouldn't they?

Karen

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At 02:22 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>Friday, May 2, 2003, 1:19:30 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
> > more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.
>
>Why? If it's a genuine feeling, why shouldn't they?
>
>Karen


I still think the Pulau Tiga series was the best. A great "cast," and the
beauty of it was that no one had seen the show before, so they had
absolutely no idea what to expect...no formulas...no idea of how hard it
could be...no previous strategies to emulate.

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And here we have the essence of two philosophies of life:

Jeff wrote:

$> You're right, of course. The fact is, it's a game, and the objective
$> is to win at all costs. If you can make lasting friendships along
$> the way, fine, but it's your own fault if you get voted off for
$> being too nice or wishy-washy.
$> In some ways, it's a lot like life.



A)
Friday, May 2, 2003, 1:19:30 PM, bonniev wrote:
*> Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
*> more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.

B)
Karen wrote:
#>Why? If it's a genuine feeling, why shouldn't they?
and Jeff also wrote:

$>>In other ways, one would hope that life is not like
Survivor.

I'd submit that Philosphy A is consistent with the previously
discussed "redneck" brand of macho, and Philosophy B is the
alternating tension.

Two images come to mind that amuse me immensely.
First, the visualisation of John Nash's economic/mathematical
theory in "A Beautiful Mind":
If you ignore the all-or-nothing goal and cooperate, you
reach a greater good for all (which Survivor is rigged
to disallow),

and second - has anyone ever read "Greenwillow" by BJ Chute?

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I got tied up with an appointment and missed
> the speech entirely.  Didn't even see any playback
> of it later.

        I deliberately avoided it.  I still can't stand the horror of it all.  I saw
bits of footage on the news and a photo in the newspaper, but that was it.

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Right now there's a live chat with Christy Smith at CBS.com.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> On 2 May 2003 at 16:16, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > I've been in trouble with these books, I've either reached no far with
> > them, . . .
>
> Now, there's an expression I really like.

You've got my permission to use it, at least till I find out what pleases
you so.

(I thought it was not too idiomatic, and perhaps not too correct either. :)
Otoh, you may like some idiomaticity in it I cannot grasp for sure.)

Kristin

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Jeff wrote:

> She asked for memorials to go either to the Germantown Library or the
> Columbia-Greene Humane Society. I'll post the addresses later. And, of
> course, no flowers please!

Are you serious about the no flowers?  If so, I'm glad you said this.

--
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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> > On 2 May 2003 at 16:16, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > > I've been in trouble with these books, I've either reached no far with
> > > them, . . .
> >
> > Now, there's an expression I really like.
>
> You've got my permission to use it, at least till I find out what pleases
> you so.
>
> (I thought it was not too idiomatic, and perhaps not too correct either. :)
> Otoh, you may like some idiomaticity in it I cannot grasp for sure.)
>
> Kristin

More typical:
"I've gotten nowhere with them"
or "I haven't been able to get anywhere with them"
or "I couldn't get through them"

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > On 2 May 2003 at 16:16, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been in trouble with these books, I've either reached no far with
> > > > them, . . .
> >
> > (I thought it was not too idiomatic, and perhaps not too correct either. :)
> > Otoh, you may like some idiomaticity in it I cannot grasp for sure.)
>
> More typical:
> "I've gotten nowhere with them"
> or "I haven't been able to get anywhere with them"
> or "I couldn't get through them"

Thanks, Clo. Provisionally (khmm) I'd use the third one. In the two first I smell
a meaning as if I didn't understand the books -- which is right, of course, but
that I'd say only after reading them through which I did not.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > > On 2 May 2003 at 16:16, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been in trouble with these books, I've either reached no far with
> > > > > them, . . .
> > >
> > > (I thought it was not too idiomatic, and perhaps not too correct either. :)
> > > Otoh, you may like some idiomaticity in it I cannot grasp for sure.)
> >
> > More typical:
> > "I've gotten nowhere with them"
> > or "I haven't been able to get anywhere with them"
> > or "I couldn't get through them"
>
> Thanks, Clo. Provisionally (khmm) I'd use the third one. In the two first I smell
> a meaning as if I didn't understand the books -- which is right, of course, but
> that I'd say only after reading them through which I did not.
>
> Kristin

There is a Mormon joke about a soldier who carried the Book of
Mormon in his shirt pocket, and was shot in the chest. Though he
was knocked off his feet, he was otherwise unharmed; and opening
the book, he discovered that the bullet headed for his heart had
been lodged midway through the book.

"Whew" the soldier exclaimed, "It couldn't get through 2d Nehmi
either!"

clo

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Jeff wrote:

> Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
> not be with these two:
>
> http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg

:-) No, one can't.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> Jeff wrote:
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> > Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
> > not be with these two:
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg
>
> :-) No, one can't.
>
> Kristin

Ok, I was good before; but <now>, I'm in love!
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
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> > Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
> > not be with these two:
> >
> > http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg
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> Those aren't dogs -- they're stuffed toys!

Why! Only look at Jesse's expression.

Kristin

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> > Jeff wrote:
> >
> > > Although we have three cats, I'm more of a dog person myself. How could you
> > > not be with these two:
> > >
> > > http://www.monm.edu/images/photos/jakenjesse.jpg
> >
> > :-) No, one can't.
> >

> Ok, I was good before; but <now>, I'm in love!

With Jesse or rather Jake, or Jeff?

Kr.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I think that one of the most interesting thing about the "redneck"
> phenomenon is that redneck pride is really a melding of pride in a variety
> of different kinds of working class experiences. In a way, being a redneck
> is being a quintessential American - it is American patriotism. Joanna

This is why the Snopeses don't exactly fit.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> McKinley?

Here it is:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=greider

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Jeff wrote:
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> Natalie et al,
> Did you catch Survivor last night? Poor Christy...I was kind of pulling for
> her to get to the finals. Just two more episodes...

Oh yes.  I thought about going to two different meetings I perhaps
should have gone to last night but didn't want to delay watching
Survivor.  Christy was too honest for the likes of Rob.  At least Rob is
pretty open in his conniving.  It didn't help (though the die was no
doubt cast by then) that Christy sounded a bit uppity in the comments at
the beginning of Tribal Council.

I thought Jenna was rather presumptuous to give Heidi the immunity.

So who's going next?  Butch has certainly flown under the radar, hasn't
he.

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> >The Snopes family would probably be considered rednecks,
>
> Not so much rednecks as Pure White Trash (tm).

That's true.  Rednecks sometimes overlap a bit with PWTs, but certainly
not totally.  Redneck is much harder to define.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > McKinley?
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=greider
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Oh!

And Ladies of the Club

clo

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bonniev wrote:

>   Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
> more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.

I like it when life is like that and like it when Survivor is more about
the contests and getting along well with people than about alliances and
screwing people.

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Jeff wrote:

> beauty of it was that no one had seen the show before, so they had
> absolutely no idea what to expect...no formulas...no idea of how hard it
> could be...no previous strategies to emulate.

Yes!  I was so naive that I hadn't even thought about the <alliance>
thing until the second Survivor, when it became a topic.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > McKinley?
>
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=greider
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


" Fed-up working-class conservatives support business's assaults
on their common enemy, liberal government, even though they may be
personally injured when business objectives triumph. "

Now there's a true thing, and very Survivor-like!

May they remember in time -

       ROPER: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

       MORE: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law
       to get after the Devil?

       ROPER: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

       MORE: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned
  round on you--where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?
  This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast--man's
  laws, not God's--and if you cut them down--and you're just the man to
  do it--d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that
  would blow then?  Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own
  safety's sake.

       --Robert Bolt   "A Man For All Seasons", 1961

clo

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At 02:41 PM 5/2/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
> >
> > Natalie et al,
> > Did you catch Survivor last night? Poor Christy...I was kind of pulling for
> > her to get to the finals. Just two more episodes...
>
>Oh yes.  I thought about going to two different meetings I perhaps
>should have gone to last night but didn't want to delay watching
>Survivor.  Christy was too honest for the likes of Rob.  At least Rob is
>pretty open in his conniving.  It didn't help (though the die was no
>doubt cast by then) that Christy sounded a bit uppity in the comments at
>the beginning of Tribal Council.
>
>I thought Jenna was rather presumptuous to give Heidi the immunity.
>
>So who's going next?  Butch has certainly flown under the radar, hasn't
>he.

Alyce would be deleting all these messages with the subject "Survivor".  :-)

Betty

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>
>
>Are you serious about the no flowers?  If so, I'm glad you said this.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I really AM serious. If anything, people should feel free to drive up here
and TAKE flowers from the garden.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> There is a Mormon joke about a soldier who carried the Book of
> Mormon in his shirt pocket, and was shot in the chest. Though he
> was knocked off his feet, he was otherwise unharmed; and opening
> the book, he discovered that the bullet headed for his heart had
> been lodged midway through the book.
>
> "Whew" the soldier exclaimed, "It couldn't get through 2d Nehmi
> either!"

So at least he could go even farther, with the book (in his pocket) :)

Kr.

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>
>Alyce would be deleting all these messages with the subject "Survivor".  :-)
>
>Betty


Yes, but I've discovered she never empties her trash!

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Alyce would be deleting all these messages with the subject "Survivor".  :-)

But she wouldn't lecture us on our bad taste.  Maybe that's because she
has had a Survivor-watcher in the family closet all this time.

--
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At 04:34 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Alyce would be deleting all these messages with the subject
> "Survivor".  :-)
>
>But she wouldn't lecture us on our bad taste.


You wouldn't believe all the trashy horror movies she used to watch
nightly--things like Blood Cafe, and movies that are almost too gross for
my sick tastes.

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At 03:34 PM 5/2/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Alyce would be deleting all these messages with the subject
> "Survivor".  :-)
>
>But she wouldn't lecture us on our bad taste.  Maybe that's because she
>has had a Survivor-watcher in the family closet all this time.

I wonder if she know?  Horrors.

She would thank us for the proper subject line.

Betty

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Anne Toal wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rita Chapman" <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>
>>back to us as a the mother character from that Sandra Bullock movie.
>>
>
> Don't be hatin'--
>
> -a
> Does Keanu Reeves qualify as a mother character?


        Sure, cuz you are so like him, for real.




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http://tinyurl.com/auno

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>  bonniev wrote:
> > Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
> > more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.
>
>Why? If it's a genuine feeling, why shouldn't they?
>Karen

Because it is boring.  Let me tell you a story.  This is a pointless but
possibly thought-provoking and self-revelatory story.  Feel free to delete
here.

I had a friend a number of years ago.  Let's call her Jane, although that
was not her name.  Jane was my age, had a nice husband, and three
attractive daughters.  The family seemed perfect in every way.   Dad was a
scientist.  Mom had a masters degree in German but was a stay-at-home
Mom.  The daughters were all blond, athletic, and good in school.  They
attended a local church and participated in the youth choir.  Mom and Dad
volunteered as sponsors of the youth choir.  Each summer they organized and
supervised a tour during which the choir sang at nursing homes and the like
in some section of the country.

Jane's home was always picture perfect.  At Christmas time she decorated
lavishly.  One tree had all antique ornaments.  The family tree had
ornaments that the girls had made over the years.  Both Jane and her
husband were into antiques.  They began collecting before they were
married.  Both Jane and her husband came from families that were equally
perfect to the one they had formed together.  They had never had to hold a
bank mortgage on a home because their families always helped out.  Now they
were at a stage in life when they needed no more financial help but rather
were helpful to their extended families.  When Jane's aged mother took ill,
they moved her across the country and into their home where Jane cared for
her until her death, while also taking care to make sure that her middle
daughter suffered no turmoil in her senior year at high school.

The only cloud on the horizon seemed to be that Jane was worried about her
oldest daughter because she seemed to have this need to be perfect.  Jane
felt Mary (not her real name) put way too much pressure on herself and
couldn't figure out why.  Jane didn't believe that pressure was coming from
home because they just wanted their children to be happy.  I thought that
perhaps some subliminal messages were being sent when the children
witnessed things like the recent re-flooring of the kitchen.  Jane's
husband was such a perfectionist that he insisted the tiles be laid on that
floor in such a way that they were centered in each of the four doorways
that led from the kitchen to other rooms.

I went with Jane to take her oldest daughter on a trip to decide on the
college of her choice.  The next year Jane and I traveled to William and
Mary to visit that daughter.  Mary had joined the church programs at
William and Mary and appeared to be adjusting well.  When Jane suggested we
take in a university play the night we visited, Mary said she did not want
to do that because a friend had told her "strong language" was used in the
play.  We went to an a cappella performance instead.

Now, here's the problem.   As I sat in the William and Mary auditorium
watching this very wholesome musical production, I felt there was something
very, very wrong about the entire situation.  It was just all too
perfect.  Too wholesome.  And, in fact, the next year Mary went on
antidepressants.  But, really, what was wrong with such a perfect, happy
family?  I could never figure it out.  But I know I'm glad I did not grow
up in such a stifling environment.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/auno
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Your URL wanted a registration form that wanted details about
my income to view a news item?!?

I don't kick when it seems reasonable, but really!
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Your URL wanted a registration form that wanted details about
> my income to view a news item?!?

I'd forgotten the LA Times was one of those you-have-to-register sites.
I hate such sites.  The story wasn't that interesting really.

I won't quote the whole thing, but here's a bit of it.  After talking
about the children being held there, he (Jonathan Turley, a law
professor at George Washington Law School) says:
********
                   The Bush administration has argued that these
detainees
                   are not "people" under the Constitution but, rather,
legal
                   nonentities it may hold, release or even execute at
its
                   sole discretion. Recent reports indicate that the
Justice
                   Department has no intention of trying the vast
majority
                   of these prisoners. Rather, estimates on possible
tribunal
                   trials rarely exceed two dozen. The administration
has
                   simply decided to hold hundreds of people without
trial
                   or judicial review at the president's whim. There is
a
                   term for that type of prison: gulag.
*********

It goes on with some more details about the camp and then compares
Ashcroft's looting of the Bill of Rights with the Iraqi looting of
museums.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 05:18 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:


But, really, what was wrong with such a perfect, happy
>family?  I could never figure it out.  But I know I'm glad I did not grow
>up in such a stifling environment.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Did anybody watch "Manor House" on PBS this week? I found it an absolutely
absorbing reality show. It was fascinating to see how miserable so many of
the characters in the house constantly were--from the scullery maid to the
master of the house's sister-in-law. It was exactly the stifling
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slave. I don't know how emblematic the role-players were of actual
Edwardian masters and servants, but if they were even close, it must have
been a dreary existence.

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>
>        My wife and I really liked this program.  I don't know whether
> this week was
>all there was of it, though.


The station that I watched aired all six episodes this week. I've enjoyed
all the PBS reality shows so far, from "1900 House" to "Frontier House" to
the one "set" in London during the Blitz. My favorite was "1900 House,"
probably because I could relate to being a middle-class person living in a
semi-restored Victorian house.

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Jeff wrote:

> Did anybody watch "Manor House" on PBS this week? I found it an absolutely
> absorbing reality show. It was fascinating to see how miserable so many of
> the characters in the house constantly were--from the scullery maid to the
> master of the house's sister-in-law. It was exactly the stifling
> environment that came up again and again when they discussed how unhappy
> they were. It was only when the sister-in-law could ride her bike out in
> the country that she felt happy and free. The master kept talking about how
> he couldn't associate personally with the servants because that would spoil
> the system. They all played it to the hilt, and you could tell that the
> master and his family did not know or care how hard the servants had to
> slave. I don't know how emblematic the role-players were of actual
> Edwardian masters and servants, but if they were even close, it must have
> been a dreary existence.

        My wife and I really liked this program.  I don't know whether this week was
all there was of it, though.

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
Thinking of Alyce

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At 07:01 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>In exchange for a token from Alyce I offered to make a contribution in
>her name to the charity of her choice. She told me she liked Greenpeace
>so that's who I made my donation to. I'm sure Jeff could give us more names.
>
>lisa

Thanks, Lisa. I know she would approve.

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In exchange for a token from Alyce I offered to make a contribution in
her name to the charity of her choice. She told me she liked Greenpeace
so that's who I made my donation to. I'm sure Jeff could give us more names.

lisa

Sylvia Edwards wrote:

>I've been thinking about doing this for Alyce.  That way I can look up
>at night and look for Alyce.  Is this foundation for real?
>
>Is there a specific charity that Alyce would like for us to make
>donations to in her name?
>
>
>
>  Hi Friend,
>
>
>  Name a Star in the sky after Mom this Mother's Day for only $39.95.
>Give Mom a gift that is out-of-this-world!
>
>  ...!
>
>  Naming a Star after Mom is a unique and special gift she will never
>forget. The Star
>  Foundation is also the only Star Naming Service that gives to Charity
>up to 25% of
>  the total proceeds from all of the Star Packages purchased
>
>  Sincerely,
>  Carrie Proehl
>  Star Foundation
>  "naming stars for charity"
>
>Sylvia Edwards
>Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
>Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/
>
>
>

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Carolyn Ostrander quoted Natalie:

> > Here it is:
> >
> > http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=greider

In hunting for the url I stumbled upon another interesting article:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030512&s=scheer20030429

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

>Did anybody watch "Manor House" on PBS this week? I found it an absolutely
>absorbing reality show. It was fascinating to see how miserable so many of

Yes! I missed the first night, but saw the rest of it - it was excellent!
I even left choir practice early Wed. night to get home in time to see
it. (I had never done that before.)

Bethany

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > I read a long, interesting article on this subject (though not re
> > "rednecks" -- it was about the rightist agenda) in the online Nation a
> > couple of days ago.  I meant to put it on my blog, but I don't get
> > around to putting everything there that I find interesting.  Anyway, it
> > was about the desire to return to the McKinley era.
>
> McKinley?
>
> McCarthy I would understand - why McKinley?

The idea was that the agenda is to erase the 20th century -- to turn the
country into what it was when McKinley was president -- why that might
sound appealing to some people on the surface, why it would be a
disaster, etc.  I'll try to dig up the url.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Adam/LH:
>
> > > floral scent!
> > >
> > > You talk funny.
> > >
> > > Ann
> >
> >I say ont and idear, too.
>
> Meeber!

Hah!

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At 06:04 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>
>>Did anybody watch "Manor House" on PBS this week?
>
>        My wife and I really liked this program.
>--
>Take care,
>Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>


Speaking of PBS programs, looks like there's a good one coming up next week:

HITLER'S VICTORY
Wednesday, May 7, 2003 (9:30-11:00 pm)
This program presents a frightening scenario -- what Britain would be like
today if it had been conquered by the Nazis in World War II -- with advanced
computer graphics and uncovered Nazi plans for England. (CC, Stereo)

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Jeff:
= >
= >Alyce would be deleting all these messages with the subject "Survivor".
= >:-)
= >
= >Betty
=
=
= Yes, but I've discovered she never empties her trash!

If by this you mean her Netscape trashed mail, believe me, we
know.  Netscape acts funny when it has to keep track of all that
stuff and Alyce's Netscape frequently was acting funny.

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> probably because I could relate to being a middle-class person living in a
> semi-restored Victorian house.

Oh! You're the one who lives in that gorgeous house! Alyce pointed us to
pictures and it really looked great.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Also, I failed to
> publicly acknowledge the gift of the Ghiradelli chocolates. Were they from
> you or Adam or both?

They were from me, from Costco. I hope you enjoy them. Did you eat any of
the bagels and lox?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>Oh! You're the one who lives in that gorgeous house!
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Actually, my brother and I both have similar houses on the same street,
built by the same carpenter...his, in 1882 and mine, in 1885. They're also
both painted in similar shades.

He's got a pretty good web page that about his house:

http://www.rankindesigns.com/house/photoindex.htm

I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:

http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm

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At 08:57 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
> > Also, I failed to
> > publicly acknowledge the gift of the Ghiradelli chocolates. Were they from
> > you or Adam or both?
>
>They were from me, from Costco. I hope you enjoy them. Did you eat any of
>the bagels and lox?
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Oh, thank you! Alyce hasn't eaten much this week, but I've been enjoying
the chocolates.

I've also had lox and bagels every morning for breakfast...and will
probably have enough for another week! Delicious!

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> Actually, my brother and I both have similar houses on the same street,

Did you marry sisters, too? You live on the same street, work at the same
place.....

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:
>
> http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm

It was your house. I remember the front entry views.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 09:28 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
> > Actually, my brother and I both have similar houses on the same street,
>
>Did you marry sisters, too? You live on the same street, work at the same
>place.....
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

No, I married a divorced woman with two kids, and he's remarried after
having divorced with no kids. There are probably a few other
dissimilarities, but none immediately come to mind.

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Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM> wrote:
>
> He's got a pretty good web page that about his house:
>
> http://www.rankindesigns.com/house/photoindex.htm
>
> I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:
>
> http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm


These are both gorgeous houses!  You and Doug have done fantastic jobs.
It's always good to see someone restore a treasure than just tear it down.

Terry

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Read and enjoy.

-----Original Message-----
>From English Language Discussion Group
[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf Of Alyce Cresap
Sent Thursday, January 04, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: yonder star report


As many of you will remember, the first family pageant was held at
Christmastime 1996. The unavoidable absence of some family members in
the next three years prevented what was to have been an annual event.
But this year we got everyone together--19 in all, aged five months to
67+ years (plus two dogs).

There was an audience of 11 neighbors this time, as opposed to two the
first time round, as word of this extravaganza had spread widely
throughout Warson Woods, Missouri, over the years. One manned a video
cam, and it is hoped that some pictures will be made available. The
digital camera did not work, and that had been our best hope.

The first pageant was a simple manger scene, to which came shepherds,
sheep, and magi. But this time there were four scenes and it was much
more complex. The living room lights are on a dimmer, so I was the
electrician and faded them out and in between scenes. The husband of one
of my nieces was the narrator, reading snitches and snatches of St.
Luke.

Scene 1: Gabriel (Doug, 42, in angel dress and blonde curly wig and
halo) tells Mary (Kylie, age 4) that she is about to have a baby and
that he will be a pretty important guy. Kylie was instructed to reply
that she would do God's will, but she froze, so Gabriel told her she
would do it.

Scene 2: The inn. My b-i-l was the original donkey, but due to knee
replacement surgery last spring, he turned over this important role to
his granddaughter (Aly, 7). Mary rode the donkey, guided by Joseph (8),
to the patio door. Jeff (42) answered Joseph's knock and plea for a room
with a terse "No room!"

Scene 3: The temple steps. I did not understand this part, but it was
something to do with Simeon having heard of the Messiah about to come.

Scene 4: The manger. Jesus (Emily, 5 months) was serene in a large
basket, wrapped in swaddling clothes. (This gorgeous baby child smiled
and gurgled during the entire half-hour program.) A host of angels
surrounded the manger (John, 2; his mother, 30; and another niece (37).
At the proper point in the narration, I entered with a Reynolds Wrap
star hanging from a fishing pole.

An angel advised some shepherds waiting in a nearby field (the dining
area) that there was a Savior born, so they got excited and went to the
manger (my sister, 63; Becca, 7; Jimmy, 3; my daughter-in-law, 39;
another niece, 27). The shepherds wore bathrobes. Two were striped and
looked very biblical, but we had to settle for one in green plaid, which
upset some purists. The shepherds were accompanied by two sheep: Okie, a
golden retriever who wore the sheepskin tied around her middle, and
Zeke, a miniature poodle, who had his ears tied up to look more
sheeplike.

Then the three wise men entered (my brother-in-law, 65; two of my
nieces' husbands, ages unknown). They carried respectively, a mesh bag
of golden (chocolate) coins, a Seagram's Royal Crown purple bag filled
with tissue paper, and a cigar box covered with gold foil and filled
with potpourri.

Carols were sung at appropriate places during the various scene changes,
ending up with Silent Night.

[wild applause]

alyce

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At 09:38 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
> > I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:
> >
> > http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm
>
>I remember the front entry views.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

That's a story in itself. The woman we bought the house from did some nice
woodwork refinishing in other parts of the house, but when she got to the
hall she was too tired to finish. The house used to belong to my aunt and
as a young child I remember the beautiful woodwork in the hall. Anyway,
instead of refinishing the varnished woodwork in the hall, she painted
everything white. It took us a year to get all the paint off. If only she
could have left it alone.

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> of it.  The overly nice one that I'm referring to is the one that
> came down
> to the young Texas man and the older Knoxville, Tennessee woman,
> Tina.  Everyone was like "no, you go first"  "no you deserve it
> more".   God, I hate it when life is like that also.

What are you talking about? That was the one with Jerri the bitch! Okay, maybe right at the end it got like that, but it had it's moments. That was the Australian Outback.

I agree, though, that this is a particularly good one.

I liked when Rob turned to his mom and said, "I've been bad." I think he's funny. Again, it's part of the game.

Marie

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At 09:41 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:


>These are both gorgeous houses!  You and Doug have done fantastic jobs.
>It's always good to see someone restore a treasure than just tear it down.
>
>Terry


Thanks, Terry. I hope someone will do the same with Alyce's house. Any
prospective buyers out there???

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At 09:45 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>Read and enjoy.
>
>-----Original Message-----
> From English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf Of Alyce Cresap
>Sent Thursday, January 04, 2001 1:07 PM
>Subject: yonder star report

Thanks, Adam. This is precious. I don't think I had seen it before.

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> Oh, thank you! Alyce hasn't eaten much this week, but I've been enjoying
> the chocolates.
>
> I've also had lox and bagels every morning for breakfast...and will
> probably have enough for another week! Delicious!

You're welcome and good. I hope you froze the bagels.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Jeff wrote:

> He's got a pretty good web page that about his house:
>
> http://www.rankindesigns.com/house/photoindex.htm
>
> I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:
>
> http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm

Great pictures!  Great houses!

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> At 09:41 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>
>
>> These are both gorgeous houses!  You and Doug have done fantastic jobs.
>> It's always good to see someone restore a treasure than just tear it
>> down.
>>
>> Terry
>
>
>
> Thanks, Terry. I hope someone will do the same with Alyce's house. Any
> prospective buyers out there???


        Not me, that's for sure.  I lived in a Victorian when I was
in college in the late 80's.  A group of us (8 or 9 college
chicks  -- I was 18 I think) rented a house from Tina's (not
LaTina) Uncle Ernie.  Uncle Ernie was retired from The
Christian Science Monitor and had decided to go to South
America for a year to photograph the Mennonites (we
suspected he was Nazi hunting).  I wish I could find his
letters to me; I think I would enjoy them even more now.
Regardless, the house had been built for Ernie's mother as a
wedding gift, and at one time the family bindery was located
on the property.  The house had not been updated since the
40's as near as we could tell.  The wallpaper was vintage,
the washing machine in the basement was this tub deal with a
wringer (which we did learn how to use), and the electrical
system was original.  Our average gas bill was $400 in the
winter, and I lived in the unheated attic.  In the parlor
was a bookcase full of custom bound photo albums.  A family
member had taken up the new hobby in the 1880's, and I spent
hours in them.  There were photos of the house being built
in the middle of the rural wilderness of Hyde Park, the
hunting lodge in Roslindale, the sewer pipes going in, the
old horse trough down in the square, the mud pit that became
Mass. General.

Uncle Ernie finally sold the house a few years later, and
the owners supposedly restored it.  I would never have the
patience, but I did love that house for some reason.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM>
> I just wanted to say thank you for the marvelous chicken soup,
> which we ate
> the other night. I would have sworn a grandma made it.

Um, thank you. I think. :-) Glad you liked it.

Although it apparently wasn't curative, I hope Alyce found it comforting.

Marie

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Warson Woods is in my school district.  Might I someday have
one of these little members of the Alyce gene pool in Room 219?



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At 10:03 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM>
> > I just wanted to say thank you for the marvelous chicken soup,
> > which we ate
> > the other night. I would have sworn a grandma made it.
>
>Um, thank you. I think. :-) Glad you liked it.
>
>Although it apparently wasn't curative, I hope Alyce found it comforting.
>
>Marie

I meant it only as a compliment ;-)

Who knows? It may have been curative...in the sense that it bought her a
few extra days!

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Only one daughter lives in St. Louis, and I'm not sure it's in the same
school district, but it's not far away. She has three children, and the
oldest is Aly, named for Alyce. I believe she's 10 or 11 by now.

At 10:07 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
>Warson Woods is in my school district.  Might I someday have
>one of these little members of the Alyce gene pool in Room 219?
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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Thanks, Adam!

Betty

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> antidepressants.  But, really, what was wrong with such a perfect, happy
> family?  I could never figure it out.  But I know I'm glad I did not grow
> up in such a stifling environment.

Oh for chrissake, Bonniev.  You seem to equate "perfect" with some
assholistic magazine view.  To my mind, nothing that you described would
be "perfect."  And of course you don't think it was either.

Stifling environment is right.  You figured it out.  Jeez.  I think you
wrote a fake letter from a faked point of view.  Set Up.

"I could never figure it out"  BULLSHIT.

Ann

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>Oh for chrissake, Bonniev.  You seem to equate "perfect" with some
>assholistic magazine view.  To my mind, nothing that you described would
>be "perfect."  And of course you don't think it was either.

But it is the all-American family.  They were kind to each other, good to
the less fortunate, owned their own home, sent their kids away to college,
saved their money, believed in God, etc., etc.  What really is wrong with
that?  Why should you or I consider that stifling?

>Stifling environment is right.  You figured it out.  Jeez.  I think you
>wrote a fake letter from a faked point of view.  Set Up.

Every word I wrote is true.  Some long term wordslers will even remember my
stories about this woman.  She's the one who was unsupportive of the little
black wool dress I bought to wear in the Scottish castle.  Probably deep in
the archives of WHTMs there is the story about that.

>"I could never figure it out"  BULLSHIT.
>Ann

Not bullshit.  Although I know in some vague sense that this family
couldn't be as perfect as they seemed, I don't know what's wrong with
believing in God, loving your neighbor, and wanting your children to do
well in the world.  There was even laughter and song and good cooking in
this family.  Why do you and I find it so faux?  Maybe there is nothing
wrong with them and only something wrong with us.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:


> Not bullshit.  Although I know in some vague sense that this family
> couldn't be as perfect as they seemed, I don't know what's wrong with
> believing in God, loving your neighbor, and wanting your children to do
> well in the world.  There was even laughter and song and good cooking in
> this family.  Why do you and I find it so faux?  Maybe there is nothing
> wrong with them and only something wrong with us.


        Because you're cynical.  Sometimes depression is chemical,
not environmental.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>  Why do you and I find it so faux?  Maybe there is nothing
>>wrong with them and only something wrong with us.
>
>
>        Because you're cynical.  Sometimes depression is chemical,
>not environmental.          --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I totally agree that the oldest daughter's depression may have had nothing
to do with her family.

But, that's it?  I'm cynical?   In other words, this family is just fine
but I can't believe it's for real.  You agree Borkin?


    --bonniev

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> Doris Markland writes,
>
> >I got tied up with an appointment and missed the speech entirely.
Didn't
> >even see any playback of it later.
>
> It's a keeper.  Text, RealAudio and RealVideo transcripts are at
>
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/iraq/20030501-15.html>.
>
> Pete

Thanks again, Pete.  Ye Gods, what would I do
without you to tell me where things are?
I must remember to contact you next time I
lose my keys or that little scrap of paper that
had my appointment date written on it.
I don't think it's your web savvy.  I think you
are psychic!

                                - D. M.

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Friday, May 2, 2003, 9:59:22 PM, bonniev wrote:
> But, that's it?  I'm cynical?   In other words, this family is just fine
> but I can't believe it's for real.  You agree Borkin?

I'm not Borkin, but I see this as a distinct possibility. You can't
see inside anyone else's relationship.

Karen

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What Happened to me in Omaha . .

This is boring.

We went down to the University Hospital for some
medical appointments for Gene, rather routine but
time-consuming.

This is the weekend of the annual Berkshire Hathaway
meeting and I had hoped to attend but we had too many
conflicts, so we couldn't stay over for it.  However, since we 
were in Omaha today, we decided to take in what we could
of the pre-meeting activities.

This meant that we went to the cocktail party which was
held all over the Regency Park Mall, hosted by the Borsheim
Jewelry Company, one of BH's companies.  This is a brand
new gorgeous mall, and the jewelry store is decidedly
scrumptuous, but then I have no particular interest in
jewelry except to look at it and say Oh My!  (I had never
seen jewelry like this jewelry)

Thousands of shareholders were in Omaha for the weekend
and probably hundreds were at the mall for this party.
The hors deuvres (sp?) were catered and outstanding,
including not only fruits and vegetables and cheeses and
dips and stuff but glazed chicken wings and small prime rib
sandwiches . . and there were carved ice centerpieces and
all that jazz. . . and a string quartet which played everything
from Mozart to New York, New York.  (That really sounded
weird)

We met and enjoyed visiting with an elderly gentleman in
a wheelchair, accompanied by his daughter, a delightful
spinster who plays the church organ and has a mind of
her own.  We learned that he used to work with Warren
Buffett's dad and was talked into buying some of Warren's
A-stock many years ago . . . at the price of $149 per share.
Today it is worth $70,400 per share (and in the past has
been worth a lot more).  Others told us similar stories.
We couldn't respond, with our weasley 2 little shares of
B stock, which haven't lost but haven't done THAT
well, so we just kept quiet about that.

We did, however, stumble upon a nest of people from
a city where we once lived and went to school, etc., and
enjoyed exchanging dates and information in an attempt
to identify common roots and friends.  A bit later a
complete stranger, who had overheard our conversations,
tapped me on the shoulder and said "Our group couldn't help
but overhear the date you graduated from college, so
we figured out how old you are . . and we can't believe it.
God has been <very good> to you."

So you see something good happened to me today.
I heard some kind words about myself, and that doesn't
happen all that often

Warren Buffett was to arrive at the party at 8:30, but we
left at 7:30 because we had a two hour drive and also
because we had seen him before.  I am really sorry to
miss the wit and advice he will deliver tomorrow . . .
but we promised to baby sit a great grandaughter for
the weekend and she is definitely worth our full attention.
She is 8 . . . and she will never be 8 again.

                       - D. M.

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It's not much, but I've posted a short 23 second video clip of ET flying
with Alyce's help, taken when I visited her in January 2002.  You see
mostly ET, but you can see a little of Alyce, and it's good to see her
moving and hear her talking, however briefly.

http://peterkaminski.com/photos/NY-200201/alyce/video.html

The guy in the background of the video is my friend Andrius Kulikauskas.

Alyce, thanks for enriching my life with your words and your
presence.  Fare thee well, and blessed be.

Pete

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At 9:16 PM -0700 5/1/03, Jeff wrote:
>She's gone downhill quickly. I've been by her bedside for the past hour,
>and would be surprised if she lasts the night. Of course, she's amazed
>before more than once.

Somehow, in the midst of things, I didn't get around to saying my goodbyes
to her, not realizing that the end was so close; death, no less than life,
is what happens while one is doing other things.  Sad as I am, I am glad
for her sake that her end game is playing out relatively quickly.

If she stays a little longer, and if there is time -- I know that dying is
a busy time for all parties, most of all the principal one -- tell her that
Bookrat says goodbye, and will miss her.

Ken aka Bookrat

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Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 23:32:50 -0700
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My campus is not known for the cluefulness of its IT job announcements, but
I've run across one that contains a notably non-clueful skill requirement:

"One year experience with *each*: Solaris, UNIX".  ("Each" is in bold in
the original.)

It makes me feel so much more employable.  I know both Solaris *and* Unix,
so I must be hot stuff!

You can read the full posting at

http://www.sjsu.edu/hr/jobopps/011069.pdf

For those of you not into URL chasing, it boils down to: "Wanted: code
monkey with shitloads of experience who doesn't mind playing second banana,
and is willing to work for peanuts.  Ability to read the minds of clueless
administrators a plus."

The economy being what it is, this position will probably get filled pretty
quickly, assuming that they're hiring in this fiscal year and not waiting
until they get the grim news for the next FY.

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
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> >Yeah, I agree - it's who can piss farther and write their name
> >in the snow/on the wall; who can spit longer and more accurately;
> >who can belch loudest, longest and most richly.
> >
> >But as V says, "everyone farts; only a select few talk
> >about it over breakfast".
> >clo
>
>Yet another reason for Larry and Betty to avoid Tina and I at Acadiafest.
>lisa

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> >Thank you for letting us know. She was my first thought on waking this
> >morning.
> >clo

>Same here, every morning I think of her as I'm getting ready for work.

Me too. I've been thinking a lot about Alyce - I didn't get around to saying
my goodbyes to her and am glad to have Jeff's posts this last week.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> What Happened to me in Omaha . .
>
> This is boring.

I didn't find it boring.  I like descriptions of <snippets of life> --
people and settings, etc.

> This is the weekend of the annual Berkshire Hathaway
> meeting and I had hoped to attend but we had too many
> conflicts, so we couldn't stay over for it.  However, since we
> were in Omaha today, we decided to take in what we could
> of the pre-meeting activities.

I was at this point becoming fascinated at what kind of meeting you were
talking about -- I guessed something like an association of cattle
owners or some such and was wondering why they named themselves
Berkshire Hathaway, like whether maybe it was for a kind of cattle named
Hathaway that had originated in the Berkshires.

> Thousands of shareholders were in Omaha for the weekend
> and probably hundreds were at the mall for this party.

This was my clue so I didn't have to ask the mutant question of what BH
was.  It is obviously a corporation of some kind, and the meeting you
were talking about is obviously a stockholders meeting.  Somebody told
me a long time ago that meetings of that kind were fun and that I should
go to one sometime, but I never have.  I just sign the little proxy
things that come in the mail, x'ing whatever boxes the form says that
directors recommend.

> So you see something good happened to me today.
> I heard some kind words about myself, and that doesn't
> happen all that often

I think it's good that the person spoke them instead of just thinking
them.  People think things like that often, but they aren't always said.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> http://peterkaminski.com/photos/NY-200201/alyce/video.html

Thank you, Pete!!  That avi file works with RealOne, btw.  I had guessed
when I read your instructions that I'd have to go with the other version
since I don't keep my computer up to date with the latest stuff, but I
clicked on the first file (the avi one) first, and it worked fine.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Me too. I've been thinking a lot about Alyce - I didn't get around to saying
> my goodbyes to her and am glad to have Jeff's posts this last week.

I don't think we needed to say direct goodbyes.  I think this way would
be fine with Alyce.  I also am very, very glad we have Jeff with us,
both to let us know what's happening (can you imagine how horrible it
would be for us to be sitting here not knowing anything?) and because he
is a delightful person and a Wordsler at heart.

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>http://peterkaminski.com/photos/NY-200201/alyce/video.html

Cool! Thanks.

Mac question: is there a Mac equivalent of right-clicking? To download? I
have continued working with my Dell but I do not yet have it online from
home.

Bethany

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WWW today reminded me of my favorite highway sign:

>for the past few years there has been a road sign on the highway between
Asheville, North Carolina and Johnson City, Tennessee, at a point where
the road narrows from four lanes to two: "Permitted Trucks Not Allowed"<

Bethany

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Hey, abht -- if you're still reading -- what is it about your area that
makes it so high on the unemployment list -- as in what all is there
that is in trouble?

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/msa_unemployment/

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It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm ready for
spring.

Betty

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> It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm ready
for
> spring.
>
> Betty

We have rain promised again, maybe tomorrow.
Promises, promises, but somehow it seldom gets
here.  To us, of course, rain means spring.  I
think to you it means winter?

                   - D. M.

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At 08:21 AM 5/3/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm ready
>for
> > spring.
> >
> > Betty
>
>We have rain promised again, maybe tomorrow.
>Promises, promises, but somehow it seldom gets
>here.  To us, of course, rain means spring.  I
>think to you it means winter?

Usually, but we didn't have a lot this year.  Does your son of a return
home date yet, Doris?

Betty

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>
>
>Mac question: is there a Mac equivalent of right-clicking? To download? I
>have continued working with my Dell but I do not yet have it online from
>home.
>
>Bethany

I believe you hold down the command key while you are clicking on the link.
Haven't been in front of my Mac for two weeks, but I think that's right.

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> At 08:21 AM 5/3/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm
ready
> >for
> > > spring.
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> >We have rain promised again, maybe tomorrow.
> >Promises, promises, but somehow it seldom gets
> >here.  To us, of course, rain means spring.  I
> >think to you it means winter?
>
> Usually, but we didn't have a lot this year.  Does your son of a
return
> home date yet, Doris?
>
> Betty

No.

Here's the picture of his plane.

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/dmarkld/

Click on Boarding the Plane.

                - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
>
> It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm ready for
> spring.

It was pouring down rain when I woke up this morning, and I felt sorry
for the hostess of the brunch I'm going to at 10:00 since it's to be an
outdoor party.  But the rain soon stopped, and the sun is now brightly
shining.  Things are still quite wet, of course (including my grass,
which is in great need of being cut).

--
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Doris Markland wrote:

> Here's the picture of his plane.
>
> http://incolor.inetnebr.com/dmarkld/

That's one big plane.

Is he going to be a commercial pilot when he leaves the military?  I
know that's often the choice of retired military pilots.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> That's one big plane.
>
> Is he going to be a commercial pilot when he leaves the military?  I
> know that's often the choice of retired military pilots.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie

Don't know.  That used to be a good option
for retired military pilots.  One wonders these
days if there's any future for them in that
sinking business.

                                 - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>That's one big plane.
>>
>>Is he going to be a commercial pilot when he leaves the military?  I
>>know that's often the choice of retired military pilots.
>>
>>--
>> -- Natalie
>>
>
> Don't know.  That used to be a good option
> for retired military pilots.  One wonders these
> days if there's any future for them in that
> sinking business.
>


The Post-Dispatch has been full of stories of laid-off
pilots these days.  Since TWA was headquartered here before
American bought them out, we have a lot of airline workers
and the layoffs have hit the area hard -- especially No.
County where a lot of them live.

He's probably a fabulous pilot, but he might be better off
picking up another skill if he wants to be employable (he
may have other skills for all I know).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Doris Markland wrote:

> Don't know.  That used to be a good option
> for retired military pilots.  One wonders these
> days if there's any future for them in that
> sinking business.

It wouldn't be a field I'd want to go into right now (as if anybody
could go into it anyway -- I doubt that much hiring is going on), but I
keep thinking it may be ok at some point in the feature.

(Re a field *I'd* want to go into -- I mean the airline industry in
general.  I'm laughing at the thought of me being a pilot.  I used to
freak out majorly when friends flying little planes would sometimes make
me steer -- as in just hold onto the steering wheel or whatever you call
it when we were going straight along in perfect weather in clear
nothingness and high enough up that a missteer wouldn't be likely to
toss us to the crowd.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> >Oh! You're the one who lives in that gorgeous house!
> >--Adam
> >adamh1@attbi.com
>
> Actually, my brother and I both have similar houses on the same street,
> built by the same carpenter...his, in 1882 and mine, in 1885. They're also
> both painted in similar shades.
>
> He's got a pretty good web page that about his house:
>
> http://www.rankindesigns.com/house/photoindex.htm
>
> I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:
>
> http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm
>

Wow, Doug's parlor and mine are the same color!
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> He's probably a fabulous pilot, but he might be better off
> picking up another skill if he wants to be employable (he
> may have other skills for all I know).

But he can keep on doing what he's doing forever if he wants to, can't
he?  Like one isn't kicked out of the military after x number of years,
right?  Well, I'm sure that pilots can't keep piloting when they're
ancient, but I mean if he's still young enough to be a commercial pilot,
he could still be a military pilot, couldn't he?  Generals are sometimes
fairly old, aren't they?  Like later he could stand in front of maps and
address groups and stuff, with his five stars shining.

Or is there in fact a required retirement age in the military?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> > He's probably a fabulous pilot, but he might be better off
> > picking up another skill if he wants to be employable (he
> > may have other skills for all I know).
>
> But he can keep on doing what he's doing forever if he wants to, can't
> he?  Like one isn't kicked out of the military after x number of
years,
> right?  Well, I'm sure that pilots can't keep piloting when they're
> ancient, but I mean if he's still young enough to be a commercial
pilot,
> he could still be a military pilot, couldn't he?  Generals are
sometimes
> fairly old, aren't they?  Like later he could stand in front of maps
and
> address groups and stuff, with his five stars shining.
>
> Or is there in fact a required retirement age in the military?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I don't know.  I do know they get battle weary
and often want out after 20 years.

                    - D. M.

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> But, that's it?  I'm cynical?   In other words, this family is just fine
> but I can't believe it's for real.  You agree Borkin?

I can believe a fine family is for real.  I can even believe families
exist where all members are honest, decent and loving.  But the way you
described this family, it didn't sound like I'd like to be among them.

Not going to a play because it has 'strong language':  are you presenting
that as another detail of perfection?

I guess the problem is in your description.  As you described them, the
details were not pleasant, only the grosser descriptions (caring for
an incapacitated family member is the only one I remember) and the
unstated regularities (no divorce etc.) were commendable (but not
presented colorfully (IN MY RECOLLECTION ANYWAY).

Also, I don't believe 'perfection' exists in longterm human relationships,
or should be a goal taken as achievable.  But I do think families exist
that I would describe as "pretty happy" or loving or very rich in love and
support and laughter.

Laughter counts a lot for me.  I don't really know how my father's whole
family would rank in 'perfection' according to you - my grandmother died
before I was 6 and my grandfather remarried - but I always liked to be
around them because they enjoyed each other's company and treated me with
love and ease.

Ann

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:36:42 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Also, I don't believe 'perfection' exists in longterm human relationships,
> or should be a goal taken as achievable.

I think of perfection, wrt relationships, being more achievable in the
longterm than the short term.

> Laughter counts a lot for me.

Oh, yeah.

Karen

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>But the way you
>described this family, it didn't sound like I'd like to be among them.

I guess it comes down to that even a striving for perfection is somehow
offputting to you and me.

>Not going to a play because it has 'strong language':  are you presenting
>that as another detail of perfection?

In think the oldest daughter had somehow internalized and magnified the
need for perfection.  She was more straitlaced than the mother.  When she
told her mother about the objectionable language, her mother even said "did
you consider the source that told you that, honey?"  If it had been up to
the mother, we would have taken our chances on the play, I think.

 >they enjoyed each other's company and treated me with love and ease.
>Ann

I guess it's the ease that you and I approve of.  Somehow there seems to be
no ease when the kitchen tiles have to be squared with the doorways.  It
took this woman months to choose a wallpaper pattern for her downstairs
half bath.  She would question a waitress closely on each menu item.  All I
could think was "why in the world is it soooo important??"   I think she
was afraid she would buy something and then find something better the next
day.   But there are a lot of people out there like that.  I'm amazed every
time a tourist, inquiring about reservations at an Inn, asks the color
scheme and square footage of the room.   Why do they care so much??  Now, I
care about the possibility of barking dogs in the adjoining rooms.  But I
really don't care much about the color scheme!!


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>He's probably a fabulous pilot, but he might be better off
>>picking up another skill if he wants to be employable (he
>>may have other skills for all I know).
>>
>
> But he can keep on doing what he's doing forever if he wants to, can't
> he?  Like one isn't kicked out of the military after x number of years,
> right?  Well, I'm sure that pilots can't keep piloting when they're
> ancient, but I mean if he's still young enough to be a commercial pilot,
> he could still be a military pilot, couldn't he?  Generals are sometimes
> fairly old, aren't they?  Like later he could stand in front of maps and
> address groups and stuff, with his five stars shining.
>
> Or is there in fact a required retirement age in the military?


        I don't know.  I know that Fr. Tudor was required to retire
when he turned 60, but he was in the army reserves.  I know
that a lot of military people retire when they're still
pretty young -- 50's.  I guess I just assume it isn't the
type of thing you'd want to do forever.  That's my personal
prejudices showing, though.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:47:21 AM, bonniev wrote:
> Somehow there seems to be no ease when the kitchen tiles have to be
> squared with the doorways.

Actually, squaring the kitchen tiles with the doorways probably
can create a greater sense of ease.

> It took this woman months to choose a wallpaper pattern for her
> downstairs half bath. She would question a waitress closely on each
> menu item. All I could think was "why in the world is it soooo
> important??"

It's a good thing you've never eaten out with Ligniere.

> I think she was afraid she would buy something and then
> find something better the next day.

Or maybe she just wants to make sure she has the best possible thing
she can manage.

> But there are a lot of people
> out there like that. I'm amazed every time a tourist, inquiring
> about reservations at an Inn, asks the color scheme and square
> footage of the room. Why do they care so much?? Now, I care about
> the possibility of barking dogs in the adjoining rooms. But I really
> don't care much about the color scheme!!

So there's something wrong with people who don't think like you do?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> keep thinking it may be ok at some point in the feature.
                                                  future
> toss us to the crowd.)
                 ground

I usually don't comment on my committing of such typos/brainos as the
above when I notice them, but I don't think they're usual doubles.  Does
committing two in one relatively short posting = alzheimers?

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > http://peterkaminski.com/photos/NY-200201/alyce/video.html

Thanks Pete.  All these years I thought ET really flew.  Smuck that I am.


    --bonniev

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I've gotta start tromping across wet grass to the brunch.  Time snuck up
on me.
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>So there's something wrong with people who don't think like you do?
>Karen

That's hardly the point, karen.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:55:33 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>So there's something wrong with people who don't think like you do?
>>Karen

> That's hardly the point, karen.

It's the only drawable conclusion, bonnie.

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:53:46 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> keep thinking it may be ok at some point in the feature.
>                                                   future
>> toss us to the crowd.)
>                  ground

> I usually don't comment on my committing of such typos/brainos as the
> above when I notice them, but I don't think they're usual doubles.  Does
> committing two in one relatively short posting = alzheimers?

I liked 'toss us to the crowd'; very nero-esque.

Karen

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> I guess it's the ease that you and I approve of.  Somehow there seems to be
> no ease when the kitchen tiles have to be squared with the doorways.  It

Yes, you nailed it probably.  I have given my father's family as a
positive example - members of my mother's family were more Successful but
I felt expectations of me that made me uncomfortable.  Praise was given,
too much notice was taken, jeez what if I HADN'T done this apparently
remarkable thing, what if I DIDN'T do this or that (that I'd never been
aware of before they noticed), gotta watch out in THIS family.

Ann

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Jeff writes,

>I believe you hold down the command key while you are clicking on the link.

And I think holding the mouse button down will work, too.

Pete

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>Does
committing two in one relatively short posting = alzheimers?


> -- Natalie

Yes.

AS

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Natalie Maynor:
= Doris Markland wrote:
=
= > Here's the picture of his plane.
= >
= > http://incolor.inetnebr.com/dmarkld/
=
= That's one big plane.
=
= Is he going to be a commercial pilot when he leaves the military?  I
= know that's often the choice of retired military pilots.
=

I don't know where this comes from, but I suspect greater things
are in store for the soon to be Lt. Colonel.

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>jeez what if I HADN'T done this apparently
>remarkable thing, what if I DIDN'T do this or that (that I'd never been
>aware of before they noticed), gotta watch out in THIS family.
>Ann

Yup, I think that's it.


    --bonniev

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That's about where it usually is down here. 20 years ago we had a big freeze
which killed a lot of the citrus industry, and then it got up to 25% and
stayed there for a year or so. I don't know that anything is specifically
"in trouble." Big business loves the high unemployment rate with its
resultant low wages, and consequently we have had a rash of telemarketing
companies coming in to the area. The latest one is settling in to the former
Albertson's store near my house (Albertson's not able to make it in a market
dominated by HEB and Wal-Mart.) The economy is very stratified here. There's
a lot less of a middle class than you find in industrialized communities.
There seems to be a thin layer of very stinking rich people, a slim middle
class, and then a huge number of working poor and unemployed. It is more
like the economic strata in Northern Mexico in that respect, except in
Mexico the middle class is almost nonexistent. Over the past few years we
have lost almost all our large sewing operations by Levi's, Carter's, and
Haggar as they moved their operations out of the US and into China. There is
one computer logic board assembly plant on the Texas side of the river, but
the truly big operations, the ones that hire tens of thousands of workers,
all are on the Reynosa side. The companies, like LG, claim that the Valley
benefits tremendously from those plants, but in actuality it is a handful of
highly-paid managers who profit.

It is a constant amazement to me how many people drive brand new expensive
cars. In the current parlance, anything with a lot of bling sells like crazy
down here. Escalades and Hummers vie for parking spaces. You can get run
down trying to stay out of the way of Jaguars, Land Rovers, and Volvos. And
enormous Avalanche trucks and Suburbans prowl the roads, daring the BMWs to
try and crowd them off. A few years ago the Economist did a story on this
area and suggested that 40% of the local economy is fed off drug money. I
really don't know, but you won't find that info in the Chamber of Commerce
literature.

In trouble? No, this is the normal situation.

-aht
"Thanks for caring"
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> Hey, abht -- if you're still reading -- what is it about your area that
> makes it so high on the unemployment list -- as in what all is there
> that is in trouble?
>
> http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/msa_unemployment/
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
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Natalie Maynor:
= Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > keep thinking it may be ok at some point in the feature.
=                                                   future
= > toss us to the crowd.)
=                  ground
=
= I usually don't comment on my committing of such typos/brainos as the
= above when I notice them, but I don't think they're usual doubles.  Does
= committing two in one relatively short posting = alzheimers?
=

Yes.  YOu are loosing your mind.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2979405.stm

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Anne Toal writes,

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2979405.stm

"We suggest permission to call the Khartoum station [Iraq's intelligence
office in Sudan] to facilitate the travel arrangements for the
above-mentioned person to Iraq.  And that our body carry all the travel and
hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from Bin Laden
and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to Bin Laden."

Damning evidence, certainly, that some Iraqi official, what?  Proposed to
ask permission to set up a meeting with Bin Laden's envoy?

This must have been what Bush was thinking of when he called Saddam's
regime an "ally of al Qaeda."

And ugh, a Telegraph reporter smuggling evidentiary documents away from the
scene, under the noses of US troops.  That speaks poorly of everyone
involved....

Pete

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>(Re a field *I'd* want to go into -- I mean the airline industry in
>general.  I'm laughing at the thought of me being a pilot.  I used to

Just before I took up horseback riding, I was about to return to flying.
But I don't have time/money for both, and horses won.

Bethany

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
> >
> > It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm ready for
> > spring.
>
> It was pouring down rain when I woke up this morning, and I felt sorry
> for the hostess of the brunch I'm going to at 10:00 since it's to be an
> outdoor party.  But the rain soon stopped, and the sun is now brightly
> shining.  Things are still quite wet, of course (including my grass,
> which is in great need of being cut).
>

We, on the other hand, have sunshine for a change - so much so that the
tire repair guy this am came out, blinked in shock, and took an
involuntary step back, exclaiming, "wow, it's bright out here!

clo

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> It's not much, but I've posted a short 23 second video clip of ET flying
> with Alyce's help, taken when I visited her in January 2002.  You see
> mostly ET, but you can see a little of Alyce, and it's good to see her
> moving and hear her talking, however briefly.

Thanks, Pete.

And I guess I could recognize her voice during her few words said in the
clip. Quite as it was in the phone.

Kristin

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At 01:25 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>We, on the other hand, have sunshine for a change - so much so that the
>tire repair guy this am came out, blinked in shock, and took an
>involuntary step back, exclaiming, "wow, it's bright out here!
>
>clo

It is now beautiful and sunshiny here now, too!

Betty

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bonniev wrote:

>>>  Why do you and I find it so faux?  Maybe there is nothing
>>> wrong with them and only something wrong with us.
>>
>>
>>
>>        Because you're cynical.  Sometimes depression is chemical,
>> not environmental.          --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> I totally agree that the oldest daughter's depression may have had nothing
> to do with her family.
>
> But, that's it?  I'm cynical?   In other words, this family is just fine
> but I can't believe it's for real.  You agree Borkin?


        Well, I wonder why you feel a need to sit in judgement of them.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>        Well, I wonder why you feel a need to sit in judgement of them.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

My question was quite a bit more about myself than about them.  At the
time, and now because I was reminded about it, I was questioning why I felt
so uncomfortable at that a cappella performance.  Surely it was a
wholesome, happy thing.  Yet the it all gave me the willies.  As I said at
the very beginning, it's more a judgement on me than on them.

But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just walk
through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
"unexamined".


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>>        Well, I wonder why you feel a need to sit in judgement of them.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> My question was quite a bit more about myself than about them.  At the
> time, and now because I was reminded about it, I was questioning why I felt
> so uncomfortable at that a cappella performance.  Surely it was a
> wholesome, happy thing.  Yet the it all gave me the willies.  As I said at
> the very beginning, it's more a judgement on me than on them.


        Who cares if it was wholesome?  I wonder why you choose to
apply that adjective.  I'd be remembering whether it was a
good performance or a bad performance, not whether or not it
reminded me of Cheerios.


> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just walk
> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
> "unexamined".


        Interesting interpretation.  Perhaps they're examining your
life and finding it wanting, as well.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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'Finally some decent weather to plant some clematis, dig worms, and go
fishing...  Mmmm... now this is relaxing.

Lillia & William are at the perfect age to help, and afterwards the reward
is a fishing trip!  'No skin off my nose either...

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>        Interesting interpretation.  Perhaps they're examining your
>life and finding it wanting, as well.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
only non-church friend.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just walk
> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
> "unexamined".

Well, you would be wrong.

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 2:16:36 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>        Interesting interpretation.  Perhaps they're examining your
>>life and finding it wanting, as well.
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

> I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
> contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
> only non-church friend.

LOL. I would never make that assumption, that everyone compares and
contrasts their lives to other lives.

Karen

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>
> It's pouring down rain in this butt ugly state I live in.  I'm ready for
> spring.
>
> Betty

Ditto. Today, we've got blue skies with threatening clouds and cold breezes.
I think Mother Nature's clock needs to be reset.

Sandra

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 12:25:49 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> We, on the other hand, have sunshine for a change - so much so that the
> tire repair guy this am came out, blinked in shock, and took an
> involuntary step back, exclaiming, "wow, it's bright out here!

Tire repair? Again?

Karen

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Texas Monthly Magazine has an article on barbecue this month. They
list the top 50 places in Texas. Dallas only has two; Lockhart, a
teeny tiny town and Texas' designated barbecue capital, has more than
that.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>>        Interesting interpretation.  Perhaps they're examining your
>> life and finding it wanting, as well.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
> contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
> only non-church friend.
>

        Well, there you go:  the time-tested recipe for unhappiness
and dissatisfaction.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 2:56:48 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>>I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
>>>contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
>>>only non-church friend.
>>
>>        Well, there you go:  the time-tested recipe for unhappiness
>>and dissatisfaction.         --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

> Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
> feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
> leading to happiness and satisfaction.

But no one's life is infinitely better than everyone one knows all the
time. Comparisons, by definition, are odious.

Karen

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>>I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
>>contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
>>only non-church friend.
>
>        Well, there you go:  the time-tested recipe for unhappiness
>and dissatisfaction.         --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
leading to happiness and satisfaction.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>>> I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most
>>> everyone
>>> contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
>>> only non-church friend.
>>
>>
>>        Well, there you go:  the time-tested recipe for unhappiness
>> and dissatisfaction.         --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
> feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
> leading to happiness and satisfaction.
>


        Is that your own personal conclusion?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Saturday, May 3, 2003, 12:25:49 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > We, on the other hand, have sunshine for a change - so much so that the
> > tire repair guy this am came out, blinked in shock, and took an
> > involuntary step back, exclaiming, "wow, it's bright out here!
>
> Tire repair? Again?
>
> Karen

This was permanent repairs - on Sunday in sleepy Wellsboro (near
camp), they could only put temporary plugs in the two that were
torn by the shale on the dirt road there. Also, I had been working
so many long hours, I hadn't gotten mine over there yet, and was
riding on the (full size) spare. Mine turned out to be a roofing
nail from the neighbor's house, that Vance had raked out of the
garden this spring.

clo

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>>Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
>>feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
>>leading to happiness and satisfaction.
>        Is that your own personal conclusion?
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

For the most part, yes.   I don't think my life is perfect.  But I haven't
seen anyone else's life that I'd trade mine in for.


    --bonniev

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At 02:41 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Texas Monthly Magazine has an article on barbecue this month. They
>list the top 50 places in Texas. Dallas only has two; Lockhart, a
>teeny tiny town and Texas' designated barbecue capital, has more than
>that.

How many does Austin have?

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 12:25:49 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>>
>>>We, on the other hand, have sunshine for a change - so much so that the
>>>tire repair guy this am came out, blinked in shock, and took an
>>>involuntary step back, exclaiming, "wow, it's bright out here!
>>>
>>Tire repair? Again?
>>
>>Karen
>>
>
> This was permanent repairs - on Sunday in sleepy Wellsboro (near
> camp), they could only put temporary plugs in the two that were
> torn by the shale on the dirt road there. Also, I had been working
> so many long hours, I hadn't gotten mine over there yet, and was
> riding on the (full size) spare. Mine turned out to be a roofing
> nail from the neighbor's house, that Vance had raked out of the
> garden this spring.


        Ah, pesky things.  The year of the big hail storm when we all
got new roofs, I picked up five or six of them.  Always in
the same tire on the Benz, though.  My husband never picked
up any with the van.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a courtesy
title?

AS

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:27:57 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 02:41 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Texas Monthly Magazine has an article on barbecue this month. They
>>list the top 50 places in Texas. Dallas only has two; Lockhart, a
>>teeny tiny town and Texas' designated barbecue capital, has more than
>>that.

> How many does Austin have?

2 or 3--I forget. In the Central Texas area (including Elgin, where my
Fiber Friend's sheep lives and the aforementioned Lockhart, which is
where I took Karsten), prolly 9 or 10.

Karen

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At 03:53 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a courtesy
>title?

Only in the Peter Lorre movie.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:53:56 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a courtesy
> title?

Yes.

Karen

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At 01:36 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > It's not much, but I've posted a short 23 second video clip of ET flying
> > with Alyce's help, taken when I visited her in January 2002.  You see
> > mostly ET, but you can see a little of Alyce, and it's good to see her
> > moving and hear her talking, however briefly.
>
>Thanks, Pete.
>
>And I guess I could recognize her voice during her few words said in the
>clip. Quite as it was in the phone.
>
>Kristin


Kristin,

I uncovered one more of your books this afternoon--"The Seasons."  That
makes five. Alyce is still miraculously hanging in there, much to her
chagrin. She has been trying hard to die, but nothing is happening yet.
I'll keep everyone posted.

Jeff

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At 05:24 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:53:56 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> > Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
> courtesy
> > title?
>
>Yes.
>
>Karen

Don't know if that qualifies, as the film was German. :-)

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At 04:53 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a courtesy
>title?
>
>AS


God, I hope not!

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:59:27 PM, Jeff wrote:
> At 04:53 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>>Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a courtesy
>>title?
>>
>>AS

> God, I hope not!

Why not?

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 4:32:55 PM, Jeff wrote:
> At 05:24 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:53:56 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>> > Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
>> courtesy
>> > title?
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>Karen

> Don't know if that qualifies, as the film was German. :-)

Er, what film?

Karen

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At 05:34 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 4:32:55 PM, Jeff wrote:
> > At 05:24 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:53:56 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >> > Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
> >> courtesy
> >> > title?
> >>
> >>Yes.
> >>
> >>Karen
>
> > Don't know if that qualifies, as the film was German. :-)
>
>Er, what film?
>
>Karen


The Peter Lorre movie?

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 5:42:32 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 05:34 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 4:32:55 PM, Jeff wrote:
>> > At 05:24 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:53:56 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>> >> > Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
>> >> courtesy
>> >> > title?
>> >>
>> >>Yes.
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>>
>> > Don't know if that qualifies, as the film was German. :-)
>>
>>Er, what film?
>>
>>Karen


> The Peter Lorre movie?

Don't know. So your power came back on?

Karen

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Thursday, May 1, 2003, 5:11:55 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I thought of you, Kristin, when I saw a book about Estonian knitting
>> on the web. I don't know why it's special, though. Do you?

> The patterns must be what can be called special. Relief knitting is not
> traditional here -- if we speak of traditions more than a century ago, whereas
> it is rather popular now.  But coloured patterns for mittens and stockings are
> traditional. And knitted lace at some regions, I guess with Scandinavian
> influence, for shawls.

LOL. I got a copy of the book from my Fiber Friend, and in looking
through it, there's a description of Estonian knitting that is almost
exactly what you said. It's kind of interesting--Latvian mittens are
quite popular in the US--and Latvian socks. But I'd never heard of
Estonian knitting as its own 'thing' until now.

More later, when I've read a bit more of the book.

In other news, there was just a short blurb on the news about a
climber who cut his own arm off with a pocket knife, in order to save
his life. Not a choice I'd like to have to make.

Karen

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At 05:39 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 5:42:32 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 05:34 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 4:32:55 PM, Jeff wrote:
> >> > At 05:24 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
> >> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 3:53:56 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >> >> > Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
> >> >> courtesy
> >> >> > title?
> >> >>
> >> >>Yes.
> >> >>
> >> >>Karen
> >>
> >> > Don't know if that qualifies, as the film was German. :-)
> >>
> >>Er, what film?
> >>
> >>Karen
>
>
> > The Peter Lorre movie?
>
>Don't know. So your power came back on?
>
>Karen

It was only out about an hour.  Someone must have hit a power pole or
something.  Do you still have the same cell phone number? I tried calling
and it said something about not in service?

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I don't know.  I do know they get battle weary
> and often want out after 20 years.

There are other kinds of piloting jobs besides with commercial
airlines.  (Duh.  That's obvious.)  Anyway, I was thinking about the
daughter of a friend of mine who is married to an AF pilot -- the
daughter is, I mean.  She met him when he was stationed at Columbus AFB
a few years ago while she was working in Columbus as a Physical
Therapist, they got married, had a baby while stationed in South Dakota,
then were at San Antonio, and now are delighted to be back at Columbus,
where he's a flight instructor.  They think he'll be able to stay there
(i.e., they'll be able to stay here) for however many more years he's
in.  After that he's thinking about something like applying for a job as
one of the MSU pilots because they'd like to stay here and they'd like
to be part of the <academic community>.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 5:52:01 PM, Betty wrote:
> It was only out about an hour.

Ah. It was probably back on before I got home.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> that a lot of military people retire when they're still
> pretty young -- 50's.  I guess I just assume it isn't the
> type of thing you'd want to do forever.  That's my personal
> prejudices showing, though.

Some probably do it to double-dip.  Back in the <old days> people often
mentioned a military career as having the advantage of early retirement
and thus one could be collecting retirement pay while pursuing another
career while still relatively young.  Now, of course, that possibility
exists in other fields.
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > out there like that. I'm amazed every time a tourist, inquiring
> > about reservations at an Inn, asks the color scheme and square
> > footage of the room. Why do they care so much?? Now, I care about
> > the possibility of barking dogs in the adjoining rooms. But I really
> > don't care much about the color scheme!!
>
> So there's something wrong with people who don't think like you do?

?  I didn't get any "there's something wrong with" in what Bonnie wrote
-- just that she can't imagine thinking that way.  Sort of like I can't
imagine wanting to eat chicken-gizzard soup, but I don't think there's
something wrong with people who like it.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I liked 'toss us to the crowd'; very nero-esque.

Actually, I rather liked it also.

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bonniev:

>I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
>contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.

Hmmm I don't think I ever do this. Guess I'm not much of an
"examiner" as bonniev defines it.

-rashmi

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 5:59:04 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > out there like that. I'm amazed every time a tourist, inquiring
>> > about reservations at an Inn, asks the color scheme and square
>> > footage of the room. Why do they care so much?? Now, I care about
>> > the possibility of barking dogs in the adjoining rooms. But I really
>> > don't care much about the color scheme!!
>>
>> So there's something wrong with people who don't think like you do?

> ?  I didn't get any "there's something wrong with" in what Bonnie wrote
> -- just that she can't imagine thinking that way.  Sort of like I can't
> imagine wanting to eat chicken-gizzard soup, but I don't think there's
> something wrong with people who like it.

Do you express amazement at people who like it? I didn't see you use
extraordinary punctuation ("??" and "!!") in mentioning it.

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:00:52 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Hmmm I don't think I ever do this. Guess I'm not much of an
> "examiner" as bonniev defines it.

There are ways to examine your own life that don't depend on
comparison with the lives of others.

Karen

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Anne Toal wrote:

[interesting stuff]

Thanks for the answer.  It's an interesting scene.

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steph wrote:

> Yes.  YOu are loosing your mind.

It is nice to feel <at ease>.  A mind is a wonderful thing to loose.

I'm also feeling good because I managed to repot a dying Norfolk pine
that I suddenly realized was suffering from too small a pot, I planted
some marigolds where the violas were still looking ok but were no doubt
about to go, and I cut the f'ing grass.

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I have.  Trevanian had used it.


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> Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
courtesy
> title?
>
> AS

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2979405.stm

Old news.  I mentioned it about a week ago.  Has anything else been
discovered about that find?
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Karen Kay writes,

>In other news, there was just a short blurb on the news about a
>climber who cut his own arm off with a pocket knife, in order to save
>his life. Not a choice I'd like to have to make.

Here's the message I sent to my hiking buddies (with whom I've been in some
hairy situations, but thank goodness, nothing like that):

Studly adventurer/mountaineer/hiker gets pinned by a huge boulder.  Five
days later -- two days after he runs out of water -- he figures he has to
take drastic action, and amputates his right forearm with his pocket
knife.  A little tourniquet and first aid action, go set the anchor ropes,
rappel down an 80-foot sheer cliff, and hike out.

Sounds like great fun?  **NOT!!!**

Let's not have to amputate anything during hikes, okay?

The pilot of the helicopter ambulance that took him to the hospital said,
"... once he got his arm cut off, he still had to finish down the canyon,
and then he had to rappel about 80 feet off a sheer cliff. And I looked at
it. And I thought, man, by the time you get to the cliff, you would almost
think it's time, you know, just jump and get it over with. But he just
stuck with it."

News stories:

Denver Post:
http://www.dnverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~1364264,00.html

CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/05/02/climber.amputation.ap/
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/05/02/cnna.obrien.rescue/

Aron Ralston's pages:
http://www.geocities.com/aronralston/
(in case his is "temporarily unavailable", I have a mirrored copy of the
first page at http://www.istori.com/aronralston/aronralston.html )

http://www.fourteenerworld.com/ClimbersCorner/HTML/AronRalstonIntro.htm

Pete

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At 06:02 PM 5/3/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:00:52 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Hmmm I don't think I ever do this. Guess I'm not much of an
> > "examiner" as bonniev defines it.
>
>There are ways to examine your own life that don't depend on
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I agree.  It would depressing to start comparing your life with other women
who have really done something, like Mother Theresa.

Betty

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Damning evidence, certainly, that some Iraqi official, what?  Proposed to
> ask permission to set up a meeting with Bin Laden's envoy?

I think I read last week when that story first came out that it was not
a surprising find since it was already well known that such meetings had
been requested and had in fact taken place.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Just before I took up horseback riding, I was about to return to flying.

So you were a pilot?  Or a to-be pilot?

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > shining.  Things are still quite wet, of course (including my grass,
> > which is in great need of being cut).
> >
> We, on the other hand, have sunshine for a change - so much so that the

Our sunshine continued, and the rain this morning was apparently not
long-lasting enough to sink in very far.  I have cut much wetter grass
than the grass I cut this afternoon.

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>
>I'm also feeling good because I managed to repot a dying Norfolk pine
>that I suddenly realized was suffering from too small a pot, I planted
>some marigolds where the violas were still looking ok but were no doubt
>about to go, and I cut the f'ing grass.

We've got a huge potted Norfolk pine that is the bane of my existence. Not
only is it too bushed out to fit comfortably in any room, but when I moved
it recently I discovered water had seeped through the terra cotta saucer
and ruined the oak floor underneath. I'm always eager to move it outside
when it gets warm enough, but it's so windy in the spring that it
invariably blows over, spilling dirt everywhere. You also have to be so
careful with them, because just brushing past a branch will turn the
needles brown.

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At 04:17 PM 5/3/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>I agree.  It would depressing to start comparing your life with other women
>who have really done something, like Mother Theresa.

There are many women who have excelled in the sciences, arts, and
government without benefit of the overweening hype accorded to M. Theresa.

cwv

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > My question was quite a bit more about myself than about them.  At the
> > time, and now because I was reminded about it, I was questioning why I felt
> > so uncomfortable at that a cappella performance.  Surely it was a
> > wholesome, happy thing.  Yet the it all gave me the willies.  As I said at
> > the very beginning, it's more a judgement on me than on them.
>
>         Who cares if it was wholesome?  I wonder why you choose to
> apply that adjective.  I'd be remembering whether it was a
> good performance or a bad performance, not whether or not it
> reminded me of Cheerios.

You never have interesting feelings about an event that you try to
analyze?  Like why you're thinking about the Cheerioness rather than the
music?

> > But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just walk
> > through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
> > "unexamined".
>
>         Interesting interpretation.  Perhaps they're examining your
> life and finding it wanting, as well.

Quite likely, but I don't think Bonnie was suggesting that they weren't
-- or that this was a contest between <right> and <wrong>.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> LOL. I would never make that assumption, that everyone compares and
> contrasts their lives to other lives.

Weird. IMHO.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >>I would very definitely assume they were.  In fact, I assume most everyone
> >>contrasts and compares their lives to other lives.   I was this woman's
> >>only non-church friend.
> >
> >        Well, there you go:  the time-tested recipe for unhappiness
> >and dissatisfaction.         --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
> feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
> leading to happiness and satisfaction.

Wouldn't it for most people go both ways -- sometimes plus, sometimes
minus, and of course many times just "different" (not better, not worse,
just a different kind of life).

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  Comparisons, by definition, are odious.

Weird.  IMHO.

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At 07:23 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 04:17 PM 5/3/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
>>I agree.  It would depressing to start comparing your life with other women
>>who have really done something, like Mother Theresa.
>
>There are many women who have excelled in the sciences, arts, and
>government without benefit of the overweening hype accorded to M. Theresa.

Of course.  She was the first example who came to mind though.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:

> For the most part, yes.   I don't think my life is perfect.  But I haven't
> seen anyone else's life that I'd trade mine in for.

But here's where we're back to the "Richard Cory" thing -- that what you
see isn't necessarily the accurate picture.  So trading your life for
somebody else's would be a major gamble even if you thought the other
person's life looked glorious beyond words.  That doesn't keep
comparison from being an interesting little mental entertainment --
whether it's comparison with people you really know fairly well or with
strangers on a train.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:28:16 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>  Comparisons, by definition, are odious.

> Weird.  IMHO.

I thought you liked John Donne?

Karen

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Jeff wrote:

>  Alyce is still miraculously hanging in there, much to her
> chagrin. She has been trying hard to die, but nothing is happening yet.

How aware is she?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:25:41 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> LOL. I would never make that assumption, that everyone compares and
>> contrasts their lives to other lives.

> Weird. IMHO.

Thank you for the confirmation that I'm doing my part.

Karen

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> > Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
> > feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
> > leading to happiness and satisfaction.
>
>Wouldn't it for most people go both ways -- sometimes plus, sometimes
>minus, and of course many times just "different" (not better, not worse,
>just a different kind of life).
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, I would think so.  But I guess others don't judge, compare, or
speculate the way you and I do.


    --bonniev

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>I agree.  It would depressing to start comparing your life with other women
>who have really done something, like Mother Theresa.
>Betty

If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.


    --bonniev

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>I have cut much wetter grass
>than the grass I cut this afternoon.
>  -- Natalie

I read recently that cutting the grass while it is wet puts it at great
risk of disease.


    --bonniev

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>But here's where we're back to the "Richard Cory" thing -- that what you
>see isn't necessarily the accurate picture.  So trading your life for
>somebody else's would be a major gamble even if you thought the other
>person's life looked glorious beyond words.  That doesn't keep
>comparison from being an interesting little mental entertainment --
>whether it's comparison with people you really know fairly well or with
>strangers on a train.     -- Natalie

True.  One of the things I get bogged down in, however, when I make my
comparisons is whether to think of comparing the me that I am in the life
that I see another living or should I rather think of me being some one
totally different, with different interests and different skills and
different desires.   Then I get confused and go make a drink.


    --bonniev

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At 07:34 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>> > Interesting assumption.  It could go the other way, you know.  One could
>> > feel that ones own life is infinitely better than everyone one knows,
>> > leading to happiness and satisfaction.
>>
>>Wouldn't it for most people go both ways -- sometimes plus, sometimes
>>minus, and of course many times just "different" (not better, not worse,
>>just a different kind of life).
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Yes, I would think so.  But I guess others don't judge, compare, or
>speculate the way you and I do.

Do you think there are people who would like to be Natalie or Bonnie?

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:40:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
> True.  One of the things I get bogged down in, however, when I make my
> comparisons is whether to think of comparing the me that I am in the life
> that I see another living or should I rather think of me being some one
> totally different, with different interests and different skills and
> different desires.   Then I get confused and go make a drink.

Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
low self-esteem.

Karen

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At 07:35 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>I agree.  It would depressing to start comparing your life with other women
>>who have really done something, like Mother Theresa.
>>Betty
>
>If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
>Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.

No, I was thinking of actually doing something with my life. What have you
done with your life? What have you given back?  You can leave Mother
Theresa out of it and insert someone else.  I haven't done much.

Betty

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At 07:33 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>
> >  Alyce is still miraculously hanging in there, much to her
> > chagrin. She has been trying hard to die, but nothing is happening yet.
>
>How aware is she?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Today, she seems quite aware. Just having difficulty coming up with the
proper words, and seeing and hearing things that I don't hear or see.

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>Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
>low self-esteem.       --Karen

I think you suffer from a lack of imagination.

By the way, I got the blocks yesterday and I have them all sewn together
and lettered.  I laid them all 21 on the dining room table and took a
picture.  I shall scan the picture, by and by, and send it to you.  Thanks
for your help.  Your stitch patterns were quite nice.  The baby is to be
born this weekend.


    --bonniev

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Just before I took up horseback riding, I was about to return to flying.
>
>So you were a pilot?  Or a to-be pilot?

I stopped lessons just short of soloing - when I moved from SPpringfield,
Mo. I always intended to get back to it.

Bethany

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It was a magnificent day here - coolish (low 70s), sunny - altogether
lovely.

Bethany

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>>If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
>>Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.
>
>No, I was thinking of actually doing something with my life. What have you
>done with your life? What have you given back?  You can leave Mother
>Theresa out of it and insert someone else.  I haven't done much.
>Betty

"given back"?   What was given to me in the first place that I'm supposed
to give back?  I don't see the need to "do something" with one's life,
which I suppose is pretty obvious, given my life.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:50:50 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
>>low self-esteem.       --Karen

> I think you suffer from a lack of imagination.

Not--an active imagination is an Evil Twin trait.

> By the way, I got the blocks yesterday and I have them all sewn together
> and lettered.

Whew. I'm glad you got them all to fit! I was very concerned about
this.

> I laid them all 21 on the dining room table and took a picture. I
> shall scan the picture, by and by, and send it to you. Thanks for
> your help.

No problem.

> Your stitch patterns were quite nice.

There are a lot of nice patterns on the web. I made a washcloth for a
friend out of one of the patterns I found. I also got a library book
of stitches.

> The baby is to be born this weekend.

I hope it is happy and healthy and has an enviable life!

Karen

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At 07:55 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>>If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
>>>Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.
>>
>>No, I was thinking of actually doing something with my life. What have you
>>done with your life? What have you given back?  You can leave Mother
>>Theresa out of it and insert someone else.  I haven't done much.
>>Betty
>
>"given back"?   What was given to me in the first place that I'm supposed
>to give back?  I don't see the need to "do something" with one's life,
>which I suppose is pretty obvious, given my life.

Okay.   LOL

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > ?  I didn't get any "there's something wrong with" in what Bonnie wrote
> > -- just that she can't imagine thinking that way.  Sort of like I can't
> > imagine wanting to eat chicken-gizzard soup, but I don't think there's
> > something wrong with people who like it.
>
> Do you express amazement at people who like it? I didn't see you use
> extraordinary punctuation ("??" and "!!") in mentioning it.

Yes, I have on various occasions.  An example that made me use
chicken-gizzard soup as an example is that I used to tell my friend Mary
Ann that I was amazed that she liked chicken-gizzard soup.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> There are ways to examine your own life that don't depend on
> comparison with the lives of others.

That strikes me as sort of like thinking without cultural blinders -- an
admirable state to achieve, of course, but one that I don't think many
normal human beings are capable of fully achieving.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 7:17:35 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> There are ways to examine your own life that don't depend on
>> comparison with the lives of others.

> That strikes me as sort of like thinking without cultural blinders

Why? Your life is lived by you, and it's what you think that matters.
If I compared my life to other people's, I would have killed myself
long ago.

> -- an
> admirable state to achieve, of course, but one that I don't think many
> normal human beings are capable of fully achieving.

I don't think any human being is able to achieve that.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> >There are ways to examine your own life that don't depend on
> >comparison with the lives of others.
>
> I agree.  It would depressing to start comparing your life with other women
> who have really done something, like Mother Theresa.

That's not the kind of comparison I would normally do, though I do think
a little bit of that kind of comparison is good -- as a motivater to try
to be a better person or whatever.  But I don't think it's reasonable to
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New catalog shows a smart denim jumper on page 26.

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Jeff wrote:

> We've got a huge potted Norfolk pine that is the bane of my existence. Not
> only is it too bushed out to fit comfortably in any room, but when I moved
> it recently I discovered water had seeped through the terra cotta saucer
> and ruined the oak floor underneath. I'm always eager to move it outside
> when it gets warm enough, but it's so windy in the spring that it
> invariably blows over, spilling dirt everywhere. You also have to be so
> careful with them, because just brushing past a branch will turn the
> needles brown.

Hmm.  I haven't had the needles-turning-brown experience (until it
started dying a few months ago), and I have decorated it as a xmas tree
several years.  Mine was bushy and green and wonderful until recently,
when I suddenly noticed dying branches, which I plucked off, making it
look a bit strange now.  It's really stupid that I didn't think until
yesterday about how small its pot is.  The last time I repotted it was
at least seven or eight years ago.  But when I did repot it today, I
didn't see a mass of roots poking around in need of deeper dirt.  The
roots were rather skimpy.  Maybe that's because I waited so late to do
this -- maybe the roots have shriveled.  I hate to think this plant is
going to die.  It's the only one of my pre-Japan plants I decided to
save, moving it to Huntsville to stay with my mother that year, where it
thrived.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >>  Comparisons, by definition, are odious.
>
> > Weird.  IMHO.
>
> I thought you liked John Donne?

Yes.  He was into comparisons big-time.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 7:30:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>  Comparisons, by definition, are odious.
>>
>> > Weird.  IMHO.
>>
>> I thought you liked John Donne?

> Yes.  He was into comparisons big-time.

Hm. Even though he though they were odious?

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:07:52 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Let's not have to amputate anything during hikes, okay?

Excellent plan!

> The pilot of the helicopter ambulance that took him to the hospital said,
> "... once he got his arm cut off, he still had to finish down the canyon,
> and then he had to rappel about 80 feet off a sheer cliff. And I looked at
> it. And I thought, man, by the time you get to the cliff, you would almost
> think it's time, you know, just jump and get it over with. But he just
> stuck with it."

I didn't look at the URLs, but I saw a doctor interviewed on TV who
said that most people could not have accomplished such a thing, that
even if they could cut their arm off, that they would have gone into
shock.

It also made me think of Ligniere's mother, who is in her 80's, and
was hiking and had a boulder fall on both her hands. They healed
badly, and she is basically crippled now.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> I read recently that cutting the grass while it is wet puts it at great
> risk of disease.

Excellent.  Diseased grass probably doesn't grow as fast.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
> low self-esteem.

? What does self-esteem have to do with it?

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bonniev wrote:

> True.  One of the things I get bogged down in, however, when I make my
> comparisons is whether to think of comparing the me that I am in the life
> that I see another living or should I rather think of me being some one
> totally different, with different interests and different skills and
> different desires.   Then I get confused and go make a drink.

Oh yes.  That's part of what makes the game so interesting.

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Jeff wrote:

> Today, she seems quite aware. Just having difficulty coming up with the
> proper words, and seeing and hearing things that I don't hear or see.

I don't know whether I would rather be aware in her situation or be
highly confused.  I think the latter, although I told Alyce a couple of
weeks ago that her situation has made me change my attitudes about some
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Betty wrote:

> Do you think there are people who would like to be Natalie or Bonnie?

I can't imagine that there would be anybody who would want to be me.  Or
maybe certain odd cases -- like maybe somebody who was in a miserable
situation and suffering from physical impairments making life almost
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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 7:37:05 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
>> low self-esteem.

> ? What does self-esteem have to do with it?

If your self-esteem is high enough, you don't need no steenkin'
comparisons with others' lives.

Karen

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On Saturday, May 03, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I can't imagine that there would be anybody who would want to be me.  Or
> maybe certain odd cases -- like maybe somebody who was in a miserable
> situation and suffering from physical impairments making life almost
> impossible.

Speaking of which, where is Theo?

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
> >low self-esteem.       --Karen
>
> I think you suffer from a lack of imagination.

BINGO!  That is exactly what I've been thinking throughout this thread.
I am not saying that it's <bad> to live in such a straight-arrow world,
without playing imagination games of this kind or whatever.  But I am
quite happy with my imaginative game-playing.  It's just plain fun.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 7:45:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> BINGO!  That is exactly what I've been thinking throughout this thread.
> I am not saying that it's <bad> to live in such a straight-arrow world,
> without playing imagination games of this kind or whatever.  But I am
> quite happy with my imaginative game-playing.  It's just plain fun.

LOL. A 'straight-arrow world'?!

Karen

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Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Saturday, May 03, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>I can't imagine that there would be anybody who would want to be me.  Or
>>maybe certain odd cases -- like maybe somebody who was in a miserable
>>situation and suffering from physical impairments making life almost
>>impossible.
>>
>
> Speaking of which, where is Theo?
>


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Betty wrote:

> >If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
> >Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.
>
> No, I was thinking of actually doing something with my life. What have you
> done with your life? What have you given back?  You can leave Mother
> Theresa out of it and insert someone else.  I haven't done much.

This has morphed into a different topic, but I will answer (though the
question was addressed to Bonniemae) that I have done pretty much
nothing in exchange for the space I'm taking up and the world's energy
I'm consuming.  It's not something I dwell on or even feel especially
guilty about.  I guess if one applied for the position of being born
into the world, then one would have <obligations>.  But it just
happens.  Here we are.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>>Just before I took up horseback riding, I was about to return to flying.
>>>
>>So you were a pilot?  Or a to-be pilot?
>>
>
> I stopped lessons just short of soloing - when I moved from SPpringfield,
> Mo. I always intended to get back to it.


        Our latest batch of puppy mill dogs came from near
Springfield.  We've begun calling it Deliverance due to the
bizarre cruelties this batch has been subjected to.  One
poor little girl had her vulva sliced off presumably so she
could open wide for the large male stud they had.
Unbelievable.  This is what buying puppies from pet stores
supports.  At least she survived.  Her litter of puppies all
have an acute case of mange and heaven knows what else.



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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> I thought you liked John Donne?
>
> > Yes.  He was into comparisons big-time.
>
> Hm. Even though he though they were odious?

All comparisons?  I don't remember that he thought that at all.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I didn't look at the URLs, but I saw a doctor interviewed on TV who
> said that most people could not have accomplished such a thing, that
> even if they could cut their arm off, that they would have gone into
> shock.

That's what the web stories were saying about it yesterday.  Pretty
amazing.

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In a message dated 05/03/2003 7:50:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.

>>

Russell Crowe won for Best Actor, but I believe that he really
earned the award for his acting in "The Insider," and he should
have won one for "A Beautiful Mind," but his off-screen actions
pretty much cost him that one.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > ? What does self-esteem have to do with it?
>
> If your self-esteem is high enough, you don't need no steenkin'
> comparisons with others' lives.

Need?  I don't think you <get it>.  It's not about need.  Not that I'm
claiming to have high self-esteem, of course.  It's just that I don't
see that self-esteem is in any way related to what Bonnie and I have
been talking about.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Speaking of which, where is Theo?

I started to ask that yesterday(?) -- in the context of saying that
Alyce might not have been a Survivor fan but that she would not lecture
us on our bad taste.  But I think I didn't add that question.  I do
worry very much about Theo.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Saturday, May 3, 2003, 7:45:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > BINGO!  That is exactly what I've been thinking throughout this thread.
> > I am not saying that it's <bad> to live in such a straight-arrow world,
> > without playing imagination games of this kind or whatever.  But I am
> > quite happy with my imaginative game-playing.  It's just plain fun.
>
> LOL. A 'straight-arrow world'?!

Maybe a literalist world would be a better way to describe it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>
>>>If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
>>>Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.
>>>
>>No, I was thinking of actually doing something with my life. What have you
>>done with your life? What have you given back?  You can leave Mother
>>Theresa out of it and insert someone else.  I haven't done much.
>>
>
> This has morphed into a different topic, but I will answer (though the
> question was addressed to Bonniemae) that I have done pretty much
> nothing in exchange for the space I'm taking up and the world's energy
> I'm consuming.  It's not something I dwell on or even feel especially
> guilty about.  I guess if one applied for the position of being born
> into the world, then one would have <obligations>.  But it just
> happens.  Here we are.



        I think of giving back in terms of what people have given me
-- people who have helped me out, been kind to me, etc.  I
have an obligation to pass that sort of thing along.   Just
because that's my personal definition of heaven.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 05/03/2003 5:37:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
The Peter Lorre movie?

>>

Yep.  Starred Peter Lorre, directed by Fritz Lang, it was about
a man who murdered children.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>My question was quite a bit more about myself than about them.  At the
>>>time, and now because I was reminded about it, I was questioning why I felt
>>>so uncomfortable at that a cappella performance.  Surely it was a
>>>wholesome, happy thing.  Yet the it all gave me the willies.  As I said at
>>>the very beginning, it's more a judgement on me than on them.
>>>
>>        Who cares if it was wholesome?  I wonder why you choose to
>>apply that adjective.  I'd be remembering whether it was a
>>good performance or a bad performance, not whether or not it
>>reminded me of Cheerios.
>>
>
> You never have interesting feelings about an event that you try to
> analyze?  Like why you're thinking about the Cheerioness rather than the
> music?


        Sure.  Usually those sort of feelings are linked to memories,
though.


>>>But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just walk
>>>through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
>>>"unexamined".
>>>
>>        Interesting interpretation.  Perhaps they're examining your
>>life and finding it wanting, as well.
>>
>
> Quite likely, but I don't think Bonnie was suggesting that they weren't
> -- or that this was a contest between <right> and <wrong>.


        Actually, I got the impression that it was.  That they must
be doing something wrong for this girl to be so damn
depressed, and it was all that right living, damn it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Comparison with my life is of course
>part of the picture because that's my perspective.  Or in cases of
>people I know, it's the same kind of thing.  A friend might be
>describing something going on in her life, and I think about what that
>would feel like.  Etc.
>  -- Natalie

Exactly.  Like I see clo's or Jeff's house and think they are amazing
houses.  Then I ask myself "would you like to live in a  house like
that?"   And I realize that I wouldn't.


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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>This has morphed into a different topic, but I will answer (though the
>question was addressed to Bonniemae) that I have done pretty much
>nothing in exchange for the space I'm taking up and the world's energy
>I'm consuming.  It's not something I dwell on or even feel especially
>guilty about.  I guess if one applied for the position of being born
>into the world, then one would have <obligations>.  But it just
>happens.  Here we are.

I don't understand statements like yours and Bonnie's. I feel incredibly
fortunate to have been born into this world and privileged to take part in
its activities. And yes I do think I owe the world - or, to use different
terminology, God - for that. It's not a matter of guilt (not often,
anyway - I leave that to my RC friends) - it is a matter of great
gratitude.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I think of giving back in terms of what people have given me
> -- people who have helped me out, been kind to me, etc.  I
> have an obligation to pass that sort of thing along.   Just
> because that's my personal definition of heaven.

I definitely think that way.  I think of that as <normal>.  And I try
not to do excessive damage to the environment.  And I believe it is a
given in life that one should do things like give blood when possible,
be an organ-donor, etc.  Iow, I try to be a decent citizen of the
planet.  It's just that I have not done anything <special>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>It also made me think of Ligniere's mother, who is in her 80's, and
>was hiking and had a boulder fall on both her hands. They healed
>badly, and she is basically crippled now.
>Karen

I'm glad you posted all this talk <after> I took my 90 minute hike late
this afternoon up a mountain and over many boulders.


    --bonniev

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At 08:41 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>like I used to think I would not want to know when I was going
>to die (an estimate of when), but the kinds of things Alyce quickly
>started doing when she got the news, like sending all these great gifts
>to people, made me start looking at it in a different way.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Natalie,

That's cool! I, too, have a different outlook on a lot of things as a
result of this experience. I lost my adopted dad to cancer, but he spent
his last weeks in a nursing home, and it's such an amazingly different
experience at home. You're there with the person 24/7 and there's nothing
antiseptic about it. Yes, it's a hell of a lot of work being the only
full-time caregiver and nurse, but it's also rewarding in many ways. It
becomes somewhat surreal being tied to the patient, where you seldom get to
step outside, day after day, let alone go home to a family, etc. When the
patient is in the hospital, it's almost as if you can leave it all behind
you at the end of the visit. I also find it interesting how what once
seemed abhorrent starts to feel natural...such as changing an adult's
diapers. A neighbor woman who came to sit for a while this morning looked
on in amazement as I administered morphine, lifted her up to adjust
pillows, cleaned out her mouth with a swab, etc. She exclaimed, "Have you
had medical training or something?!"

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>Betty wrote:
> > Do you think there are people who would like to be Natalie or Bonnie?
>
>I can't imagine that there would be anybody who would want to be me.  Or
>maybe certain odd cases -- like maybe somebody who was in a miserable
>situation and suffering from physical impairments making life almost
>impossible.    -- Natalie

There are parts of your life that I find enviable.  And there are attitudes
and abilities that you have that I find enviable.  I can imagine someone
wanting your life.  I can imagine someone wanting my life too.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> At 09:38 PM 5/2/2003, you wrote:
> > > I've got one, too, but it's REALLY old and may have some bad links:
> > >
> > > http://personal.monm.edu/rankin_jefrey/house.htm
> >
> >I remember the front entry views.
> >
> >--Adam
> >adamh1@attbi.com
>
> That's a story in itself. The woman we bought the house from did some nice
> woodwork refinishing in other parts of the house, but when she got to the
> hall she was too tired to finish. The house used to belong to my aunt and
> as a young child I remember the beautiful woodwork in the hall. Anyway,
> instead of refinishing the varnished woodwork in the hall, she painted
> everything white. It took us a year to get all the paint off. If only she
> could have left it alone.
>

It is hard to find a house that hasn't suffered in this way - we looked
for 18 years before finding one that had essentially been owned by only
one family, and hadn't been "modernized" in a really ugly era, like the
'60's.

Just before leaving, the owner put up really ugly wallpaper in several
rooms; but sold it to people who replaced the paper with period paint in
the living room and parlor during the one year they lived there, before
deciding they really wanted to live in the country after all.

Phew!

clo

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On Fri, 2 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> I hope someone will do the same with Alyce's house. Any
> prospective buyers out there???
>

What's Alyce's house like?
clo

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>If your self-esteem is high enough, you don't need no steenkin'
>comparisons with others' lives.         --Karen

It's been pretty clear for awhile now that we are talking about very
different things.  The kinds of comparisons you and Betty seem to be
talking about are things like:  does she have more money than I do, does
she have a happier marriage, are her children better adjusted, is her house
nicer than mine, does she contribute more toward society, etc.

But that's not what Natalie and are talking about.  We're talking about
things like would I like to own my own restaurant, would I like to restore
a Victorian home, would I like to be single and travel the world, would I
enjoy being a novelist,  what would it be like to have twenty
grandchildren, could I hack the life of a contemplative nun.


    --bonniev

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>Speaking of which, where is Theo?
>Karen

We drove her away.  Where is Tushar?


    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> > I guess if one applied for the position of being born
> >into the world, then one would have <obligations>.  But it just
> >happens.  Here we are.
>
> I don't understand statements like yours and Bonnie's. I feel incredibly
> fortunate to have been born into this world and privileged to take part in
> its activities.

I also am very happy to be here and love taking part in the world's
activities.  Nothing I wrote above suggests otherwise.  It's just that I
didn't know before birth about this wonderful world and therefore didn't
apply for membership.  I did nothing at all to get myself here.

> And yes I do think I owe the world - or, to use different
> terminology, God - for that. It's not a matter of guilt (not often,
> anyway - I leave that to my RC friends) - it is a matter of great
> gratitude.

The question was about what we're doing to pay back the world for our
existence, not whether we're grateful to be here.  I am doing pretty
much nothing.  I do try to promote goodness and justice and peace and
stuff.  But I don't think that's exactly <major> re what my tiny efforts
accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>I guess if one applied for the position of being born
>into the world, then one would have <obligations>.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

In an odd sort of way, I feel I have a special obligation to care for
Alyce. She and my father had decided to have an abortion, but when they got
to the clinic she couldn't go through with it and abruptly left. If I
remember correctly, that was the last time she ever saw him. So, had it not
been for that moment of courage, I wouldn't be here at all. Now it's my
turn to pay her back.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Comparison with my life is of course
> >part of the picture because that's my perspective.  Or in cases of
> >people I know, it's the same kind of thing.  A friend might be
> >describing something going on in her life, and I think about what that
> >would feel like.  Etc.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Exactly.  Like I see clo's or Jeff's house and think they are amazing
> houses.  Then I ask myself "would you like to live in a  house like
> that?"   And I realize that I wouldn't.

Yes.  We are definitely cloning tonight, Bonniemae.  Not specifically
about clo's or Jeff's houses, but in the general topic.  And what you
said about the confusing part of the game -- trying to decide whether
the person would be you or somebody else or whatever -- is part of of
the fun.  Like that couple I mentioned on the train.  I think I had them
eating carrots and reading astrology books.  Ok, so I might think in
pondering their lives that I wouldn't want to be them because I think
reading astrology books is silly.  But then I will think, "But I
wouldn't think it was silly if I happened to be them instead of me."
(That's not an ideal example -- just the gist of this point.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>A neighbor woman who came to sit for a while this morning looked
>on in amazement as I administered morphine, lifted her up to adjust
>pillows, cleaned out her mouth with a swab, etc. She exclaimed, "Have you
>had medical training or something?!"

You are a good son.  What sorts of things has Alyce been seeing and hearing
that you don't see and hear?  What did the person say who came to look at
the books today?


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 05/03/2003 8:00:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I do worry very much about Theo.

>>

So do I.  I tried sending her a message, but her mailbox is full.

Evelyn Duncan
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How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Or looking into windows at night in a strange city.  Haven't we talked
about this before?  I love imagining the lives of the people I see
through the windows.  (I don't mean I prowl around peeping in windows.
I'm talking about like on a train through a city, with uncurtained
windows of houses or apartments in view.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
>What's Alyce's house like?
>clo

It's amazing in its own way. There's a drawing of it on the alybooks.com
website--Italianate with additions built over the years. It's what's inside
that's remarkable, though--her collection of toys, antiques and ephemera
collected over a lifetime.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Or looking into windows at night in a strange city.  Haven't we talked
> about this before?  I love imagining the lives of the people I see
> through the windows.  (I don't mean I prowl around peeping in windows.
> I'm talking about like on a train through a city, with uncurtained
> windows of houses or apartments in view.)


        I'm not a people watcher anymore.  I used to be.  Now I spend
so much time trying to deal with people that I watch other
things because I can't stand the thought of One More Person
taking my time.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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bonniev wrote:

>> It also made me think of Ligniere's mother, who is in her 80's, and
>> was hiking and had a boulder fall on both her hands. They healed
>> badly, and she is basically crippled now.
>> Karen
>
>
> I'm glad you posted all this talk <after> I took my 90 minute hike late
> this afternoon up a mountain and over many boulders.


        Speaking of mountains and boulders, The Old Man on the
Mountain in New Hampshire is gone forever.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>We're talking about
>things like would I like to own my own restaurant, would I like to restore
>a Victorian home, would I like to be single and travel the world, would I
>enjoy being a novelist,  what would it be like to have twenty
>grandchildren, could I hack the life of a contemplative nun.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I'd like to do all of the above, except for the nun thing.

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>New catalog shows a smart denim jumper on page 26.

Is that the one that is "designed to fall just above ankle"?  I think we
need to look for knee length ones with oversized armholes.  Maybe
Victoria's Secret has one.


    --bonniev

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>        Speaking of mountains and boulders, The Old Man on the
>Mountain in New Hampshire is gone forever.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

What??!!   What happened?  That's what they chose to put on their quarter
design.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I think of giving back in terms of what people have given me
>>-- people who have helped me out, been kind to me, etc.  I
>>have an obligation to pass that sort of thing along.   Just
>>because that's my personal definition of heaven.
>>
>
> I definitely think that way.  I think of that as <normal>.  And I try
> not to do excessive damage to the environment.  And I believe it is a
> given in life that one should do things like give blood when possible,
> be an organ-donor, etc.  Iow, I try to be a decent citizen of the
> planet.  It's just that I have not done anything <special>.
>


        I think a life of quiet decency is remarkable in its own way.
  So few actually manage it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>We're talking about
>>things like would I like to own my own restaurant, would I like to restore
>>a Victorian home, would I like to be single and travel the world, would I
>>enjoy being a novelist,  what would it be like to have twenty
>>grandchildren, could I hack the life of a contemplative nun.
>>    --bonniev
>
>I'd like to do all of the above, except for the nun thing.  --Jeff

Maybe you could do the rest and then when you got really old you could be a
Trappist Monk.

That's an amazing story about Alyce and not going through with the
abortion.  Did you not know your biological father then?  Alyce seems to
have lead a very full and interesting life.  I feel like I only know
snippets of it:  born in Chicago, the theatre, the New York apartment, the
older husband.  I never really heard her life story told in an organized
fashion.  Would you feel comfortable telling us?



    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>>        Speaking of mountains and boulders, The Old Man on the
>> Mountain in New Hampshire is gone forever.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> What??!!   What happened?  That's what they chose to put on their quarter
> design.


        It just fell off.  I talked to my brother this afternoon and
he told me about it.  Yahoo has a bunch of pictures.  It's
been pretty precarious for years.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>What sorts of things has Alyce been seeing and hearing
>that you don't see and hear?  What did the person say who came to look at
>the books today?
>
>
>    --bonniev


She saw a huge machine-like sphere where there was only a china cabinet.
She heard men outside with power saws cutting down her timber.

Kate and her two companions spent several hours today at Bookland, starting
to organize the three rooms of books, many of which were still on the floor
in boxes. They got two of the rooms pretty well in order, shelving books by
category, but not by author or title. She's now in the process of
contacting dealers who may be interested in buying specific categories.
They also started pulling prize editions to go to auction. When they have
cleared out what they can, they'll invite dealers to come for a "garage
sale," where they can browse for books at a 75% discount. The non-saleable
things will probably go to recycling. She thinks the entire 20,000-book
collection can be liquidated by the end of May. That would be terrific!

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 7:55:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >> I thought you liked John Donne?
>>
>> > Yes.  He was into comparisons big-time.
>>
>> Hm. Even though he though they were odious?

> All comparisons?  I don't remember that he thought that at all.

Well, according to the web, your memory is faulty. Another sign of
Alzheimer's?

Karen

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> It is hard to find a house that hasn't suffered in this way - we looked
> for 18 years before finding one that had essentially been owned by only
> one family, and hadn't been "modernized" in a really ugly era, like the
> '60's.

I had a WLM when reading the Starkville Daily News this morning since
there was an article about the restoring a couple is doing on a
Victorian home they recently bought here.  I just looked to see whether
the article was in the online SDN but couldn't find it.  The online SDN
sux big-time.  It's always way behind and full of gaps.  One nice detail
in the story was about how supposedly the ashes of the original owner of
the house and her cat were sprinkled in the garden.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> What's Alyce's house like?

Fascinating.  Pete's pictures showed some of the details -- an exterior
shot and various interior shots.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> I also find it interesting how what once
> seemed abhorrent starts to feel natural...such as changing an adult's
> diapers. A neighbor woman who came to sit for a while this morning looked
> on in amazement as I administered morphine, lifted her up to adjust
> pillows, cleaned out her mouth with a swab, etc. She exclaimed, "Have you
> had medical training or something?!"

Good description!

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, bonniev wrote:
> Exactly.  Like I see clo's or Jeff's house and think they are amazing
> houses.  Then I ask myself "would you like to live in a  house like
> that?"   And I realize that I wouldn't.
>
>

LOL!
Well, I look at Jeff's and think of all the houses V wanted to buy but I
nixed because "Who would do all the work to clean and maintain this??!"

My little house has many lovely features, but it is after all just a
house.

clo

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I definitely think that way.  I think of that as <normal>.  And I try
> not to do excessive damage to the environment.  And I believe it is a
> given in life that one should do things like give blood when possible,
> be an organ-donor, etc.  Iow, I try to be a decent citizen of the
> planet.  It's just that I have not done anything <special>.
>

Bullshit.
I believe you were saying, about some tapes you discovered...?
clo

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 8:26:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
> It's been pretty clear for awhile now that we are talking about very
> different things.  The kinds of comparisons you and Betty seem to be
> talking about are things like:  does she have more money than I do, does
> she have a happier marriage, are her children better adjusted, is her house
> nicer than mine, does she contribute more toward society, etc.

Those are what you started talking about.

> But that's not what Natalie and are talking about.  We're talking about
> things like would I like to own my own restaurant, would I like to restore
> a Victorian home, would I like to be single and travel the world, would I
> enjoy being a novelist,  what would it be like to have twenty
> grandchildren, could I hack the life of a contemplative nun.

Why does it take watching other people doing these things to make you
want them?

Karen

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>Alyce seems to
>have lead a very full and interesting life.  I feel like I only know
>snippets of it:  born in Chicago, the theatre, the New York apartment, the
>older husband.  I never really heard her life story told in an organized
>fashion.  Would you feel comfortable telling us?
>
>
>
>    --bonniev


I'd feel comfortable, but it would probably be the size of a John Jakes
novel--maybe read like one, too. Part of the problem is that I don't have a
great memory for detail, and there are so many details to keep track of. My
brother would know better about certain episodes, because he lived in
Chicago and got to know the Greek she was in love with and started Argos
Books with, which published scholarly works on Greek antiquities. I don't
know a whole lot about the Drunk, who absconded with her inheritance. I did
get to meet Lee, the cruise-ship comedian she lived with in New York and
traveled the world with. He was a character--a dead ringer for Humphrey
Bogart. He was also the thriftiest person I've ever heard of. Had a drawer
in his bureau that just held pockets from pants that had worn out, in the
event that he might need one some day.

I've heard about her days in the unmarried mothers' home in Peoria, where
she was sent for nine months on the pretext of having a job, but in reality
to keep the news of her pregnancy from the neighbors and the family. They
made her scrub floors--just like in "Annie." I know that as a young woman
she took off all by herself for NYC in a VW Beetle, where she eventually
started her own typesetting business in Greenwich Village. And then there
was Ken, the bipolar, unemployed artist and son of her best friend, who in
her younger years became sort of a boyfriend and later moved with her to
Germantown, because she felt sorry for him and also needed someone to do
the heavy work. I remember getting a call one Thanksgiving from a neighbor
who said he had been chasing her with an axe.

I know next to nothing about my father, who was a graphic artists in
Chicago that she worked with when she was an advertising photo stylist.
When she told him, "Guess what? I'm pregnant," he told her, "Guess what?
I'm married."

Anyway, it's been a fascinating experience getting to know her, although we
didn't officially meet until I tracked her down when I was 25.

Hope this helps shed some light! She'd be mortified if she knew I had told
all this.

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bonniev wrote:

> There are parts of your life that I find enviable.  And there are attitudes
> and abilities that you have that I find enviable.  I can imagine someone
> wanting your life.  I can imagine someone wanting my life too.

I think it's likely that there are some parts of most people's lives
that other people might find enviable.  Giggles could turn this into a
great list game.  No, he was better at the Family Feud theme.  This one
would be more like an "orange squeeze."  (We've talked about lemon
squeezes and orange squeezes before, haven't we?)  Like build a
composite <perfect life> using ten (or whatever number) <aspects> of ten
(or however many) Wordslers' lives, excluding yourself.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> That's cool! I, too, have a different outlook on a lot of things as a
> result of this experience. I lost my adopted dad to cancer, but he spent
> his last weeks in a nursing home, and it's such an amazingly different
> experience at home. You're there with the person 24/7 and there's nothing
> antiseptic about it. Yes, it's a hell of a lot of work being the only
> full-time caregiver and nurse, but it's also rewarding in many ways. It
> becomes somewhat surreal being tied to the patient, where you seldom get to
> step outside, day after day, let alone go home to a family, etc. When the
> patient is in the hospital, it's almost as if you can leave it all behind
> you at the end of the visit. I also find it interesting how what once
> seemed abhorrent starts to feel natural...such as changing an adult's
> diapers. A neighbor woman who came to sit for a while this morning looked
> on in amazement as I administered morphine, lifted her up to adjust
> pillows, cleaned out her mouth with a swab, etc. She exclaimed, "Have you
> had medical training or something?!"
>

My father-in-law's doctor joked that he expected me to wear a white cap;
but it was just giving care. V had already done that - his mother had a
stroke and he nursed her for three years before she died; I was just
following his lead.

The thing that astonished me was that there is still enjoyment in simple
things in life, long after people who <aren't> there to share it have
assumed that nothing is being seen, felt, or known. I know Alyce wants to
go; but I am certain that she is still comforted by your presence.

clo

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >If your self-esteem is high enough, you don't need no steenkin'
> >comparisons with others' lives.         --Karen
>
> It's been pretty clear for awhile now that we are talking about very
> different things.  The kinds of comparisons you and Betty seem to be
> talking about are things like:  does she have more money than I do, does
> she have a happier marriage, are her children better adjusted, is her house
> nicer than mine, does she contribute more toward society, etc.
>
> But that's not what Natalie and are talking about.  We're talking about
> things like would I like to own my own restaurant, would I like to restore
> a Victorian home, would I like to be single and travel the world, would I
> enjoy being a novelist,  what would it be like to have twenty
> grandchildren, could I hack the life of a contemplative nun.

Yes.  We are definitely <on the same page>, Bonniemae.  And I agree that
others seem to be on different pages.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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 > does she have more money than I do, does
> > she have a happier marriage, are her children better adjusted, is her house
> > nicer than mine, does she contribute more toward society, etc.
>
>Those are what you started talking about.

No, it isn't.  You misunderstood from the very beginning.   From the start
I was talking in terms of "what would a life like that be like".

>Why does it take watching other people doing these things to make you
>want them?          --Karen

I don't want them.  I just think about what it would be like.  And it
doesn't take watching other people.  Sometimes it's reading a book or
seeing a movie.  But real live people are often more
thought-provoking.    I fear you still don't understand.   Which is fine.


    --bonniev

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>cleared out what they can, they'll invite dealers to come for a "garage
>sale," where they can browse for books at a 75% discount. The non-saleable
>things will probably go to recycling. She thinks the entire 20,000-book
>collection can be liquidated by the end of May. That would be terrific!

Wow.  They got a lot done in one day!   Some of us saw the rented rooms
where the books are kept.  There were lots of shelves and lots of
books.  Is Alyce aware that this is all working out fine with the books?  I
know she would be reassured.  She was quite concerned about those books and
feared that they would all be thrown to trash.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:16:21 PM, bonniev wrote:
>  > does she have more money than I do, does
>> > she have a happier marriage, are her children better adjusted, is her house
>> > nicer than mine, does she contribute more toward society, etc.
>>
>>Those are what you started talking about.

> No, it isn't.  You misunderstood from the very beginning.   From the start
> I was talking in terms of "what would a life like that be like".

Uh-huh. Oooookay.

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:16:21 PM, bonniev wrote:
> I don't want them.  I just think about what it would be like.  And it
> doesn't take watching other people.  Sometimes it's reading a book or
> seeing a movie.  But real live people are often more
> thought-provoking.    I fear you still don't understand.   Which is fine.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't do that. I don't think I
ever have, at least not for 30 years or so.

Karen

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor asked:

>The question was about what we're doing to pay back the world for our
>existence, not whether we're grateful to be here.  I am doing pretty
>much nothing.  I do try to promote goodness and justice and peace and
>stuff.  But I don't think that's exactly <major> re what my tiny efforts
>accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?

I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
that restraint.

Bethany

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Jeff wrote:

> In an odd sort of way, I feel I have a special obligation to care for
> Alyce. She and my father had decided to have an abortion, but when they got
> to the clinic she couldn't go through with it and abruptly left. If I
> remember correctly, that was the last time she ever saw him. So, had it not
> been for that moment of courage, I wouldn't be here at all. Now it's my
> turn to pay her back.

That is an interesting story and one Alyce never told on the list.  She
was very open in many ways, as most of us are on the list, but she had
her reticences.  I think I even asked one time why you and Doug were
named Rankin, and my memory is that her answer was somewhat vague.  So
did you and Doug not ever know your father at all?  (Our list tradition
is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
respected.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Is Alyce aware that this is all working out fine with the books?
>
>
>    --bonniev


Yep. I told her all about it this afternoon.

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >New catalog shows a smart denim jumper on page 26.
>
> Is that the one that is "designed to fall just above ankle"?  I think we
> need to look for knee length ones with oversized armholes.  Maybe
> Victoria's Secret has one.
>

Or cut the sides of this one down lower -
<http://web.syr.edu/~clostran/PersonalPage/cloonporch.jpg>
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Speaking of mountains and boulders, The Old Man on the
> Mountain in New Hampshire is gone forever.

Why?  When I was a child, I kept getting Mt. Rushmore mixed up with "The
Great Stone Face."  They were both things I read about in school, but
somehow I couldn't keep them straight.

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

>
> I'd feel comfortable, but it would probably be the size of a John Jakes
> novel--maybe read like one, too.

wow.
See, that's what AH'm talkin' 'bout.
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > be an organ-donor, etc.  Iow, I try to be a decent citizen of the
> > planet.  It's just that I have not done anything <special>.
> >
>         I think a life of quiet decency is remarkable in its own way.
>   So few actually manage it.

Note that I didn't claim to have achieved it.  I just try.

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bonniev wrote:

>   I feel like I only know
> snippets of it:  born in Chicago, the theatre, the New York apartment, the
> older husband.

Remember not all that long ago (within in past six or eight months) when
she was talking (briefly) about the big love of her life?

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>Hope this helps shed some light! She'd be mortified if she knew I had told
>all this.

Wow.  Thanks Jeff.  Utterly fascinating details.  She was just as colorful
as we thought she was!  What a lady!   What a woman.

Some of us met Ken but didn't know about the chase with the ax.  He must be
very sad knowing that Alyce's health went downhill so quickly and so
dramatically so shortly after he married and moved to California.  I
imagine he has been in touch.


    --bonniev

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Jeff wrote:

>  She thinks the entire 20,000-book
> collection can be liquidated by the end of May. That would be terrific!

That would be great.  You probably know that Alyce was so worried about
the books that she didn't even want to discuss that topic on the list.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:28:56 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>>   I feel like I only know
>> snippets of it:  born in Chicago, the theatre, the New York apartment, the
>> older husband.

> Remember not all that long ago (within in past six or eight months) when
> she was talking (briefly) about the big love of her life?

Yes; she talked about him from time to time.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > All comparisons?  I don't remember that he thought that at all.
>
> Well, according to the web, your memory is faulty. Another sign of
> Alzheimer's?

I don't know what you mean by "according to the web" here.  I know
Donne's poetry fairly well and know that he wrote a poem that I think
was even titled "The Comparison" and that I think (this is way in the
nether regions of my memory) said in the last line something about an
odious comparison.  But I do not remember that it said that all
comparisons were odious.  No time to look for it tonight.  Am fading.
Maybe tomorrow.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:26 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>If your self-esteem is high enough, you don't need no steenkin'
>>comparisons with others' lives.         --Karen
>
>It's been pretty clear for awhile now that we are talking about very
>different things.  The kinds of comparisons you and Betty seem to be
>talking about are things like:  does she have more money than I do, does
>she have a happier marriage, are her children better adjusted, is her house
>nicer than mine, does she contribute more toward society, etc.

Huh?  Who is talking about money, marriage, children?  We've lost each
other in this discussion.

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At 09:39 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:

>>What's Alyce's house like?
>>clo
>
>It's amazing in its own way. There's a drawing of it on the alybooks.com
>website--Italianate with additions built over the years. It's what's inside
>that's remarkable, though--her collection of toys, antiques and ephemera
>collected over a lifetime.

Pete had a nice photo he took when he visited. He posted the URL.

Betty

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> Jeff wrote:
>
> > I also find it interesting how what once
> > seemed abhorrent starts to feel natural...such as changing an
adult's
> > diapers. A neighbor woman who came to sit for a while this morning
looked
> > on in amazement as I administered morphine, lifted her up to adjust
> > pillows, cleaned out her mouth with a swab, etc. She exclaimed,
"Have you
> > had medical training or something?!"
>
> Good description!

Do you have hospice nurses coming in?

                - D. M.

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At 10:29 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Hope this helps shed some light! She'd be mortified if she knew I had told
>>all this.
>
>Wow.  Thanks Jeff.  Utterly fascinating details.  She was just as colorful
>as we thought she was!  What a lady!   What a woman.
>
>Some of us met Ken but didn't know about the chase with the ax.  He must be
>very sad knowing that Alyce's health went downhill so quickly and so
>dramatically so shortly after he married and moved to California.  I
>imagine he has been in touch.

Alyce said that he was calling every day.

Betty

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On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> (Our list tradition
> is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
> want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
> respected.)
>

Dang, why isn't <THAT> in your FAQ?

clo

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>Do you have hospice nurses coming in?
>
>                 - D. M.


We've got one male nurse, who comes a couple of times a week. He's very
nice, but doesn't do a whole lot medically--mostly offers philosophical
observations. He's a former graphic artist--an Italian from the Upper East
Side. Which prompts a wordsler question: His speech is completely
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>Alyce said that he was calling every day.
>
>Betty

Yes, and he's really been pissing me off. The other day, she was sleeping
soundly for six hours. When he called, he said he was using 10-10-321 and
insisted that I wake her up. Some friend. Also, he's in complete denial
that she's dying, and berates me for not feeding her enough or listening to
the nurse "who is not a doctor!" etc., etc.

He upsets Alyce because she tells him she is dying and he argues with her
that she is not.

One of the most immature people I've ever met. Did Alyce ever talk about
the time he ran for President?

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>He upsets Alyce because she tells him she is dying and he argues with her
>that she is not.

Oh dear.

>One of the most immature people I've ever met. Did Alyce ever talk about
>the time he ran for President?

No, she didn't.  Do tell.


    --bonniev

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> > Remember not all that long ago (within in past six or eight months) when
> > she was talking (briefly) about the big love of her life?

>Yes; she talked about him from time to time.

The Greek archeaologist (or was it anthropologist) ?

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> >Do you have hospice nurses coming in?
> >
> >                 - D. M.
>
>
> We've got one male nurse, who comes a couple of times a week. He's
very
> nice, but doesn't do a whole lot medically--mostly offers
philosophical
> observations. >

Hmm.  For my sister, the RN came in periodically as
needed, but every day she had aides who came to
bathe her, give a back rub, change dressings, etc.

                               - D. M.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 6:40:12 PM, bonniev wrote:
>True.  One of the things I get bogged down in, however, when I make my
>comparisons is whether to think of comparing the me that I am in the life
>that I see another living or should I rather think of me being some one
>totally different, with different interests and different skills and
>different desires.   Then I get confused and go make a drink.

You have way too much time on your hands!

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>
>>One of the most immature people I've ever met. Did Alyce ever talk about
>>the time he ran for President?
>
>No, she didn't.  Do tell.
>
>
>    --bonniev

This was a huge thing in '92. He wrote a lengthy economic and political
manifesto and was going to use it to elevate him to the Presidency. The
basic premise was that every man, woman and child in the U.S. would be
given $200,000. He went on the campaign trail in New Hampshire and was
interviewed on C-SPAN. What was so laughable was his naivete. He didn't
even know that the Capitol and the White House were different buildings.
Once he got elected, he was going to get a big black limousine with
"President Ken" painted on the sides.

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I seem to have a trojan on my computer--IRC Trojan. Norton quarantined
a bunch of files, but I'm wondering if I need to do anything else
about it?

Karen

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>You have way too much time on your hands!
>-rashmi

No such thing.  You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much time on
your hands.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:11:55 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > Remember not all that long ago (within in past six or eight months) when
>> > she was talking (briefly) about the big love of her life?

>>Yes; she talked about him from time to time.

> The Greek archeaologist (or was it anthropologist) ?

Yes! (I think archeologist.)

Karen

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At 11:07 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>>Alyce said that he was calling every day.
>>
>>Betty
>
>Yes, and he's really been pissing me off. The other day, she was sleeping
>soundly for six hours. When he called, he said he was using 10-10-321 and
>insisted that I wake her up. Some friend. Also, he's in complete denial
>that she's dying, and berates me for not feeding her enough or listening to
>the nurse "who is not a doctor!" etc., etc.
I'm really sorry. You shouldn't have to deal with that. I know he has been
really helpful to her in the past.


Betty

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>This was a huge thing in '92. He wrote a lengthy economic and political
>manifesto and was going to use it to elevate him to the Presidency. The
>basic premise was that every man, woman and child in the U.S. would be
>given $200,000.

Ohmygod.  What was Alyce's reaction to all that?  Did she laugh or did she
help him write the manifesto??


    --bonniev

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On Saturday, May 03, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> No such thing.  You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much time on
> your hands.

I hope you don't actually believe this!

Karen

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Jeff:

>Has anyone seen M. used (in English) as a unisex abbreviation for a
courtesy
>title?
>
>AS


>God, I hope not!

Same here. It was likely a typo, then.

AS

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>
>Hmm.  For my sister, the RN came in periodically as
>needed, but every day she had aides who came to
>bathe her, give a back rub, change dressings, etc.
>
>                                - D. M.

Well, there are home health care aides who come three times a week to do
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Subject: Re:      Re: ET + Alyce
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>
> Today, she seems quite aware. Just having difficulty coming up with
the
> proper words, and seeing and hearing things that I don't hear or see.

That's the morphine, of course.

          - D. M.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Why do you bother making comparisons at all? I think you suffer from
> >low self-esteem.       --Karen
>
>I think you suffer from a lack of imagination.

In my case it's a lack of interest in other people's lives or at least the
kind of details that seem to fascinate you and Natalie. I don't have
very much interest in the details of lives of people I know, fuggedabout
strangers in trains or restaurants.

I care about the lives of people I know, it's just the details that don't
interest me. (I suspect that's why I don't care for biography or
non-fiction but devour fiction. Some kind of escapism.)

This thread is way weird -seeing Natalie and bonniev's ditto posts
is creepy!!!

-rashmi

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>
>Ohmygod.  What was Alyce's reaction to all that?  Did she laugh or did she
>help him write the manifesto??
>
>
>    --bonniev

She didn't help him at all, except when he hitchhiked to D.C. to campaign
and ran out of money. She paid for his motel room. She's been supporting
him and his harebrained schemes for years, mostly out of respect for his
mother and because she feels sorry and responsible for him. She's leaving
him a modest inheritance, but half of it is already spent, as he and his
new bride are both unemployed out in L.A. It's up to me to pack up all his
belongings that are still here and put them on a moving van to California.

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>I'm really sorry. You shouldn't have to deal with that. I know he has been
>really helpful to her in the past.
>
>
>Betty


I think in reality it's mostly been the other way around.

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>  bonniev wrote:
> > No such thing.  You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much time on
> > your hands.
>
>I hope you don't actually believe this!
>Karen

No.  I have seen persons that are too thin.


    --bonniev

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At 11:29 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>>I'm really sorry. You shouldn't have to deal with that. I know he has been
>>really helpful to her in the past.
>>
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>I think in reality it's mostly been the other way around.

Sounds like it.  She has spoken fondly of him but there was concern, too.

Betty

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:29:13 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Today, she seems quite aware. Just having difficulty coming up with
> the
>> proper words, and seeing and hearing things that I don't hear or see.

> That's the morphine, of course.

I don't think it's just the morphine.

Karen

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On Saturday, May 03, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>  bonniev wrote:
>> > No such thing.  You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much time on
>> > your hands.
>>
>>I hope you don't actually believe this!
>>Karen

> No.  I have seen persons that are too thin.

I know people who have too much time on their hands. One of them said
that I didn't seem like someone who did, and queried me in some detail
about how I spent my time, but it was too stultifying for me to go
into.

Karen

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At 11:29 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
> >
> > Today, she seems quite aware. Just having difficulty coming up with
>the
> > proper words, and seeing and hearing things that I don't hear or see.
>
>That's the morphine, of course.
>
>           - D. M.

It might be partially, but she's been on morphine a while and has only
recently been experiencing hallucinations. It's more likely the cancer
metastasizing in her brain, as well as the body starting to shut down. I
also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating with
loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to come. I know
that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:39:15 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 11:29 PM 5/3/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>>>I'm really sorry. You shouldn't have to deal with that. I know he has been
>>>really helpful to her in the past.
>>>
>>>
>>>Betty
>>
>>
>>I think in reality it's mostly been the other way around.

> Sounds like it.  She has spoken fondly of him but there was concern, too.

I concur.

So she knew his mother? I don't think I knew that.

Karen

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>This thread is way weird -seeing Natalie and bonniev's ditto posts
>is creepy!!!       -rashmi

I have long noticed with a bit of dismay how often Natalie and I agree on
things.  Even the things that we are opposite on are strikingly similar,
for example how cold saps her strength and heat does the same to me.  How
she hates the angle of light in the winter and that is just the thing I
love about winter.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:38:09 PM, Jeff wrote:
> It might be partially, but she's been on morphine a while and has only
> recently been experiencing hallucinations. It's more likely the cancer
> metastasizing in her brain, as well as the body starting to shut down.

That would be my guess, brain metastases. (I'm basing this only on my
experience with my Mom.) Neal (a Wordsler) told me that lung cancer
metastasizes to the brain and liver. I've read this since, but this
was the first I knew of it.

I don't think of it as the body shutting down as much as the soul
needing to escape.

> I also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating
> with loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to
> come. I know that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.

My Mom spent a lot of time in her young adulthood.

Karen

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>I know people who have too much time on their hands. One of them said
>that I didn't seem like someone who did, and queried me in some detail
>about how I spent my time, but it was too stultifying for me to go
>into.       --Karen

I don't understand any of this.  What does it mean to be "too stultifying"
to go in to?   We all have the same amount of time.  And we all spend it
some how or another.   The day ends.  Night falls.  I would guess "too much
time on one's hands" would simply be a value judgement about how a certain
individual chooses to spend that time.


    --bonniev

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>
>So she knew his mother? I don't think I knew that.
>
>Karen


Yes, she worked at Plenum, a scientific textbook publisher in New York that
Alyce did typesetting for. I think she was an illustrator, but I'm not
sure. She's retired now, but has an art studio in Bradford, Vt. Ken worked
at Plenum, too, as a graphic artist.

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>also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating with
>loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to come. I know
>that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.

I believe that too and that's why I asked about what she was hearing and
seeing.  Doris, I think, believes this also.   I would be happy if you
would report on these things, Jeff.  It's not often that we get to
experience someone dying, even second hand.


    --bonniev

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One of Alyce's oldest friends, Jack Bates, called tonight to say goodbye.
He gave her her first job in summer stock theater in 1951. She hooked back
up with him later in New York, where he was a scenic designer specializing
in the unusual. Things like giant cereal bowls in commercials. He's a great
friend and sends her unique sculptures and pieces of art that he has
created. He also devoted something like two years to caring for his dying
mother, moving in with her, and he is now designing a special shrine that
will house her ashes.

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>Yes, she worked at Plenum, a scientific textbook publisher in New York that
>Alyce did typesetting for. I think she was an illustrator, but I'm not
>sure. She's retired now, but has an art studio in Bradford, Vt. Ken worked
>at Plenum, too, as a graphic artist.

Why doesn't his mother help him out instead of leaving it to Alyce?  Or
does she?


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:45:49 PM, Jeff wrote:
> Yes, she worked at Plenum, a scientific textbook publisher in New York that
> Alyce did typesetting for. I think she was an illustrator, but I'm not
> sure. She's retired now, but has an art studio in Bradford, Vt. Ken worked
> at Plenum, too, as a graphic artist.

Ah, I remember her saying that she worked with Ken; I didn't remember
about his mom, though. Are they estranged?

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:51:41 PM, Jeff wrote:
> One of Alyce's oldest friends, Jack Bates, called tonight to say goodbye.
> He gave her her first job in summer stock theater in 1951. She hooked back
> up with him later in New York, where he was a scenic designer specializing
> in the unusual. Things like giant cereal bowls in commercials. He's a great
> friend and sends her unique sculptures and pieces of art that he has
> created. He also devoted something like two years to caring for his dying
> mother, moving in with her, and he is now designing a special shrine that
> will house her ashes.

Neat!

She's talked about him, but not by name.

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 10:44:56 PM, bonniev wrote:
 >>I know people who have too much time on their hands. One of them said
>>that I didn't seem like someone who did, and queried me in some detail
>>about how I spent my time, but it was too stultifying for me to go
>>into.       --Karen

> I don't understand any of this.  What does it mean to be "too stultifying"
> to go in to?

I was asked what I had planned for a particular day, so I started
telling--and it was so boring, *I* started yawning.

> We all have the same amount of time.  And we all spend it
> some how or another.   The day ends.  Night falls.  I would guess "too much
> time on one's hands" would simply be a value judgement about how a certain
> individual chooses to spend that time.

In this case, it was the person making the value judgment about his
own time.

Karen

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 9:10:05 PM, Jeff wrote:
[about Alyce's life]
> I'd feel comfortable, but it would probably be the size of a John Jakes
> novel--maybe read like one, too.

Somebody's got to write it; may as well be you!:)

> I don't
> know a whole lot about the Drunk, who absconded with her inheritance.

I don't remember her talking about him. This sounds unpleasant to say
the least.

> I did get to meet Lee, the cruise-ship comedian she lived with in
> New York and traveled the world with.

Yes, she talked a lot about him, and about the cruises.

> He was a character--a dead ringer for Humphrey
> Bogart.

Oh, my! She never said that!

>  He was also the thriftiest person I've ever heard of. Had a drawer
> in his bureau that just held pockets from pants that had worn out, in the
> event that he might need one some day.

LOL

> I've heard about her days in the unmarried mothers' home in Peoria, where
> she was sent for nine months on the pretext of having a job, but in reality
> to keep the news of her pregnancy from the neighbors and the family. They
> made her scrub floors--just like in "Annie."

Oh, jeeze.

> Anyway, it's been a fascinating experience getting to know her, although we
> didn't officially meet until I tracked her down when I was 25.

I didn't know this at all.

> Hope this helps shed some light! She'd be mortified if she knew I had told
> all this.

You're absolutely right; it's our secret. Thank you--I have wondered
what was behind some stories, and now I feel like I have a better
idea.

Karen

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>
>Why doesn't his mother help him out instead of leaving it to Alyce?  Or
>does she?
>
>
>    --bonniev

I think she's rather poor and also has medical problems.

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>
>Ah, I remember her saying that she worked with Ken; I didn't remember
>about his mom, though. Are they estranged?
>
>Karen

I think so.

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> This thread is way weird -seeing Natalie and bonniev's ditto posts
> is creepy!!!
>
> -rashmi
>

How goes the rumor mill?

clo

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Jeff:

>Anyway, it's been a fascinating experience getting to know her, although we
>didn't officially meet until I tracked her down when I was 25.

Is that when you met your brother?

-rashmi


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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:

>How goes the rumor mill?

No new news. We should hear something in the next week or so.
The suspense is awful. I wish they'd tell us already.

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At 12:32 AM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff:
>
>>Anyway, it's been a fascinating experience getting to know her, although we
>>didn't officially meet until I tracked her down when I was 25.
>
>Is that when you met your brother?
>
>-rashmi

No, we were adopted together at birth. Even though it was forbidden, a
night nurse would allow her to come into the nursery and hold us for two
weeks before we were adopted. She says that she told us she would see us
again one day. She even hired a private detective, but he was killed in an
accident before he could report on anything.

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Saturday, May 3, 2003, 11:56:08 PM, Jeff wrote:
> No, we were adopted together at birth.

I'm glad.

> Even though it was forbidden, a night nurse would allow her to come
> into the nursery and hold us for two weeks before we were adopted.
> She says that she told us she would see us again one day. She even
> hired a private detective, but he was killed in an accident before
> he could report on anything.

I want to be her biographer! I love this story. Well, not about the
death in the accident, but the happy ending that you found her again.

Karen

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bonniev:

>some how or another.   The day ends.  Night falls.  I would guess "too much
>time on one's hands" would simply be a value judgement about how a certain
>individual chooses to spend that time.

Hey, that was a flippant remark complete with exclamation points!

This thread's made me feel totally mutant. I just can't wrap my brain around
the whole comparison idea. Natalie and you seem utterly alien to me.
(Notthat
there'sanythingwrongwiththat.)

-rashmi


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>No, we were adopted together at birth.  Even though it was forbidden, a
>night nurse would allow her to come into the nursery and hold us for two
>weeks before we were adopted. She says that she told us she would see us
>again one day. She even hired a private detective, but he was killed in an
>accident before he could report on anything.

What a great story. Thank you for putting up with our nosiness!

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Jeff wrote:

> It might be partially, but she's been on morphine a while and has only
> recently been experiencing hallucinations. It's more likely the cancer
> metastasizing in her brain, as well as the body starting to shut down. I
> also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating with
> loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to come. I know
> that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.

I believe it too.  Keith (my husband) had some very animated
hallucinations during his last days. He was positive that he talked to
his mother, who died the year before he did, two days before he died and
she told him it was not his turn and he'd have to wait a while.

He was not on morphine and did not have cancer; I figured that the
visions resulted from the lack of oxygen to his brain as his heart was
giving out.  We were quite entertained the evening he was installing
something..he said they were widgets and they wouldn't cooperate.  He
had both hands involved in the installation process and kept shaking his head.

On the day before my sister died (cancer + morphine + metastasizing),
she sat straight up and directed her band.  She also had a conversation
with our dad who had died 10 years before she did.
--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 12:18:25 AM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> I believe it too.  Keith (my husband) had some very animated
> hallucinations during his last days. He was positive that he talked to
> his mother, who died the year before he did, two days before he died and
> she told him it was not his turn and he'd have to wait a while.

> He was not on morphine and did not have cancer; I figured that the
> visions resulted from the lack of oxygen to his brain as his heart was
> giving out.  We were quite entertained the evening he was installing
> something..he said they were widgets and they wouldn't cooperate.  He
> had both hands involved in the installation process and kept shaking his head.

> On the day before my sister died (cancer + morphine + metastasizing),
> she sat straight up and directed her band.  She also had a conversation
> with our dad who had died 10 years before she did.

I love these stories. One of the nurses in hospice told me that when
her husband was dying, he'd hallucinate driving her around in a
Ferrari.

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.
=

Yabbut.  Doesn't he just look scrumtious in his gladiator togs?

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I believe you were saying, about some tapes you discovered...?

The tapes!  I got busy with the end of the semester etc and almost
forgot our discussion of them.  Sometime soon (my last exam is coming in
tomorrow -- small class -- should be graded very quickly) I'm going to
dig into the box of tapes and pursue the plan of mailing them to you.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > But that's not what Natalie and are talking about.  We're talking about
> > things like would I like to own my own restaurant, would I like to restore
> > a Victorian home, would I like to be single and travel the world, would I
> > enjoy being a novelist,  what would it be like to have twenty
> > grandchildren, could I hack the life of a contemplative nun.
>
> Why does it take watching other people doing these things to make you
> want them?

First of all, I don't think she's talking about necessarily wanting
them.  But in answer to your question about watching other people,
without being aware that other people did such things, you might not
realize they were doable.  Or you might not really think about them at
all.  I once knew of somebody who went into worm-farming.  Before that I
hadn't even realized that there were worm farms.  Sure, I could have
gleaned that knowledge by worm research, but I might have lived my whole
life without ever doing worm research.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> Anyway, it's been a fascinating experience getting to know her, although we
> didn't officially meet until I tracked her down when I was 25.

Wow!  She had mentioned tiny snippets of some of these experiences but
never a real picture and without any hints at all about some of them.

So you and Doug were adopted by the same family -- the Rankins?  What
prompted you to track Alyce down and how did you do it?  Did you and
Doug both decide to find her, or did you find her first and then he
decided then to meet her?  What was the first meeting like?

As usual, NOYB or silence is an acceptable answer.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?
>
> I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
> grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
> talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
> that restraint.

Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
might do in life.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Hope this helps shed some light! She'd be mortified if she knew I had told
> >all this.
>
> Wow.

Note again that Bonnie and I have cloned.  I think this was the very
word I just wrote in reading Jeff's fascinating story.

> Some of us met Ken but didn't know about the chase with the ax.  He must be
> very sad knowing that Alyce's health went downhill so quickly and so
> dramatically so shortly after he married and moved to California.  I
> imagine he has been in touch.

She told us a while back that he was calling every day and would until
she was no longer there to answer the phone.  We did know that Ken was a
bit <odd> -- she told us that.  I expected him to seem even odder than
he did that day we visited.  She had thought he might hide in his room
that day, but he didn't.  He seemed fairly normal.  I wonder what we
would have thought that day if we'd known the ax story.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > (Our list tradition
> > is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
> > want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
> > respected.)
> >
>
> Dang, why isn't <THAT> in your FAQ?

Don't know.  I didn't write the FAQ.  But it's something you discover by
hanging around the list for a while.

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Jeff wrote:

> Anglicized with one exception--he pronounces his V's as W's, as in "thank
> you wery much." Must be an eastern European influence somewhere--that's
> certainly not Italian?

Do you mean V's as W's or W's as V's?

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On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 12:14 , Tony Harminc wrote:

>  The good news is that airlines, hotels,
> and just about
> everything else are gearing up all kinds of Great Deals for tourists,
> so this may well be the spring/summer to visit, for anyone so
> interested.
>
I haven't seen any good deals yet ...

> Tony H.

Roy

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Jeff wrote:

> He upsets Alyce because she tells him she is dying and he argues with her
> that she is not.

That's his denial, of course, but I can understand that at this stage
especially it would get quite annoying and that his telling you what
you/she should be doing would be angering beyond words.

> One of the most immature people I've ever met. Did Alyce ever talk about
> the time he ran for President?

No.  I bet that story is ahead in my mail.  I love waking up to lots of
list mail, especially on a weekend.  I'm going to pour another cup of
coffee and come back to feast some more on the night's fascinating
backlog.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > > Remember not all that long ago (within in past six or eight months) when
> > > she was talking (briefly) about the big love of her life?
>
> >Yes; she talked about him from time to time.
>
> The Greek archeaologist (or was it anthropologist) ?

It's stuck in my head that he wasn't the one she mentioned as Her
Greatest Love.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I seem to have a trojan on my computer--IRC Trojan. Norton quarantined
> a bunch of files, but I'm wondering if I need to do anything else
> about it?

Norton has been catching a bunch of e-mails (I've gone over to the camp
now that considers e-mail a count noun -- I used to not) from something
like sobig or bigboss.  I've forgotten now what it says about their
infection except that it quarantines them and then asks me something
about deleting them and I say yes.  I was happy Friday night during
Norton's weekly checkup that it didn't find any vestiges of them on my
computer.  I hope that checkup was accurate.

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On Saturday, May 3, 2003, at 01:47 , Jeff wrote:

>
> Speaking of PBS programs, looks like there's a good one coming up next
> week:
>
> HITLER'S VICTORY
> Wednesday, May 7, 2003 (9:30-11:00 pm)
> This program presents a frightening scenario -- what Britain would be like
> today if it had been conquered by the Nazis in World War II -- with
> advanced
> computer graphics and uncovered Nazi plans for England. (CC, Stereo)
>
This may be the first of the two programs shown here. It also includes
interviews with people who were to be part of the resistance should the
worst happen. Their first (sealed) order in the event of occupation was
surprising but it does make sense.

Roy

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Jeff wrote:

> interviewed on C-SPAN. What was so laughable was his naivete. He didn't
> even know that the Capitol and the White House were different buildings.
> Once he got elected, he was going to get a big black limousine with
> "President Ken" painted on the sides.

This is great stuff!  I've forgotten now whether Alyce ever told us his
last name.  Did she?  I'm thinking she might have when she was talking
about his possible movie career since we were saying we wanted to look
for him in movies.

At first, Jeff, she simply called him the Ex-Tenant when talking about
him here.  She told the story of his being the son of a good friend of
hers and how he rented from her for a while, then left but continued to
come back fairly often for extended stays.  She welcomed his visits
because I think she liked having somebody around, especially when her
health started declining.  But I always found the relationship an
<interesting> one and had the feeling that she was taking care of him
more than he was taking care of her.  I think it might have been shortly
before some of us went to Germantown and actually met him (March '02)
that she started calling him Ken on the list.  But I can't remember that
she ever told us a last name.

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>
>So you and Doug were adopted by the same family -- the Rankins?  What
>prompted you to track Alyce down and how did you do it?  Did you and
>Doug both decide to find her, or did you find her first and then he
>decided then to meet her?  What was the first meeting like?

Yes, my adopted mother had lost a son in infancy and had several
miscarriages. On her 40th birthday, she was presented with twins. Quite a
birthday gift!

I had always wanted to search, and finally got up the motivation a couple
years after college. It was remarkably easy. In my adopted mom's desk was a
little sheet of paper with some handwritten notes about the birth mother,
including Alyce's name. It had things like height, hair color, ancestry,
etc. Under "education" was written "Big 10." Crossed out, but still
legible, was "N.W." I surmised that meant she might have graduated from
Northwestern, so I wrote the alumni office under the guise of doing
genealogical research and asked if they had a record of an Alyce Cresap
attending in the 1950s. Much to my surprise, a few days later a note
arrived with her address. (Working in a college relations office, I know
that this would never be supplied today.)

So I sent my business card with a note that contained only the following:
7/17/57 (the date of our birth) and "both doing fine, please write if
possible." A few days letter I received a letter which began, "My life is
full of wonderful surprises..." That started a flurry of letters back and
forth (all of which I still have) and daily phone calls. I also talked to
her mother and father on the phone, and actually visited them before I met
Alyce in person. It was kind of weird going to their house--a big old
Victorian home in Hinsdale--because in reality, I had been in the house a
quarter of a century before, when I was in the womb, that is.

Finally, we arranged a meeting with the three of us in Chicago, and I met
her at O'Hare. She said to look for someone in a white Victorian dress and
straw hat. I recognized her immediately, of course. We then went to a
restaurant for dinner, where we met up with Doug.

At some point early on, she visited our hometown of Monmouth and met our
adoptive parents, who are since deceased. It was a lovely meeting and I
have a photo of her standing between the two of them in the back yard. Doug
and I then started vacationing (individually) in New York, where she would
take us to Broadway shows and places like Sardi's and the Algonquin, and
just have a grand old time.

That's how the story began. Sometime I'll tell of all the amazing
coincidences involving Alyce and us which pretty much prove in my mind that
nature is more powerful than nurture.

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At 07:56 AM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>
> > Anglicized with one exception--he pronounces his V's as W's, as in "thank
> > you wery much." Must be an eastern European influence somewhere--that's
> > certainly not Italian?
>
>Do you mean V's as W's or W's as V's?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


V's as W's.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > Remember not all that long ago (within in past six or eight months) when
> >> > she was talking (briefly) about the big love of her life?
>
> >>Yes; she talked about him from time to time.
>
> > The Greek archeaologist (or was it anthropologist) ?
>
> Yes! (I think archeologist.)

My memory (which may be totally wrong on this) was that the one she
mentioned not all that long ago as her Big Love was not the Greek
archaeologist.  I think it was a briefer relationship than that one.
Wasn't it during our discussion of Home-Wreckers, and wasn't her point
that the greatest love of her life was married to somebody else?  I'm
now wondering if she was talking about her sons' father.

Somehow my questions are feeling gossipy all of a sudden.  But I see a
difference between gossip, which tends to be head-shaking or
eyebrow-raising or <juicy> or whatever, and this kind of talk about
somebody we truly care about.

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>
>But I can't remember that
>she ever told us a last name.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

His last name is Klammer. He might have been a tenant, but I'm pretty sure
he never paid rent. I think she gave him an allowance.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I know people who have too much time on their hands. One of them said
> that I didn't seem like someone who did, and queried me in some detail
> about how I spent my time, but it was too stultifying for me to go
> into.

I don't see how it's possible to have too much time on your hands.  Iow,
I don't think it's the amount of time; I think it's the person's
psyche.  I guess maybe if you were locked in a jail cell with nothing to
read, no way to write, etc. etc. it might be possible to have too much
time on your hands.  You could play mental games for just so long -- or
at least I think I would burn out on them after a while and would feel
that I had too much time on my hands.  But outside of some situation of
that kind, I'd say that a person who feels that he/she has too much time
is a rather vacuous person.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
>My memory (which may be totally wrong on this) was that the one she
>mentioned not all that long ago as her Big Love was not the Greek
>archaeologist.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I also think it was not the Greek. She was engaged to someone early on, but
whether I ever knew the details, I'm not sure. I'll ask her sister about it.

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Jeff wrote:

> also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating with
> loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to come. I know
> that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.

I believe it also.  Oddly, I didn't see that in my mother's final hours,
although maybe she just wasn't giving outward evidence of it, but I know
it happens with many people.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> So she knew his mother? I don't think I knew that.

She told us way back when she first starting referring to him that he
was the son of a friend of hers.  I don't remember that she said much of
anything about his parents -- just that that was how he had come into
her life.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>bonniev:
>>some how or another.   The day ends.  Night falls.  I would guess "too much
>>time on one's hands" would simply be a value judgement about how a certain
>>individual chooses to spend that time.
>
>Hey, that was a flippant remark complete with exclamation points!
>-rashmi

I knew that.  I could tell it wasn't one of your snotty remarks.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >This thread is way weird -seeing Natalie and bonniev's ditto posts
> >is creepy!!!       -rashmi
>
> I have long noticed with a bit of dismay how often Natalie and I agree on
> things.  Even the things that we are opposite on are strikingly similar,
> for example how cold saps her strength and heat does the same to me.  How
> she hates the angle of light in the winter and that is just the thing I
> love about winter.

Yes.  But, fwiw, I don't feel dismayed.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I know people who have too much time on their hands. One of them said
> >that I didn't seem like someone who did, and queried me in some detail
> >about how I spent my time, but it was too stultifying for me to go
> >into.       --Karen
>
> I don't understand any of this.  What does it mean to be "too stultifying"
> to go in to?   We all have the same amount of time.  And we all spend it

We've done it again.  I also found Karen's reply odd.

> some how or another.   The day ends.  Night falls.  I would guess "too much
> time on one's hands" would simply be a value judgement about how a certain
> individual chooses to spend that time.

But here I think that it might mean a value judgment about how a certain
person chooses to spend time or it might mean that a person really does
think that he/she has too much time -- that's the kind of person I was
deeming vacuous while ago.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
>> grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
>> talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
>> that restraint.
>
>Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
>to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
>might do in life.

I don't what I do in order to get <credit> for it. There are some
contexts (EFM etc.) in which I make suggestions. Do you want suggestions?

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I don't
> > know a whole lot about the Drunk, who absconded with her inheritance.
>
> I don't remember her talking about him. This sounds unpleasant to say
> the least.

She didn't mention the inheritance or make clear what kind of
relationship it was, but she did tell us something one time about
experiences with a drunk -- something that involved actually lifting him
from the floor, iirc -- something about transporting him to a hospital,
I think.

> > I did get to meet Lee, the cruise-ship comedian she lived with in
> > New York and traveled the world with.
>
> Yes, she talked a lot about him, and about the cruises.

I didn't remember that he was a cruise-ship comedian.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>His last name is Klammer. He might have been a tenant, but I'm pretty sure
>he never paid rent. I think she gave him an allowance.

Alyce told us that she called Ken her "tenant" because it made the
relationship clearer to her neighbors and friends who didn't know if Ken
was to be invited to dinner when she was or what.  Putting a label on the
relationship simplified something that was rather complex.


    --bonniev

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Jeff wrote:

> again one day. She even hired a private detective, but he was killed in an
> accident before he could report on anything.

All of these details are totally fascinating.  How long before you found
her had this experience with the private detective occurred?

Again reminding you that NOYB is a totally acceptable answer, are your
adoptive parents alive, and are you and Doug close to them?  What do/did
they think about your finding Alyce?

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> > I have long noticed with a bit of dismay how often Natalie and I agree on
> > things.
>
>Yes.  But, fwiw, I don't feel dismayed.
>  -- Natalie

But, Natalie, I'm a Yankee.  <shudder>


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At 08:38 AM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>
>All of these details are totally fascinating.  How long before you found
>her had this experience with the private detective occurred?

It was fairly early on, and I doubt that he made much of any headway, but I
think the fact that she made the effort is what's neat.

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At 06:50 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?
> >
> > I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
> > grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
> > talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
> > that restraint.
>
>Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
>to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
>might do in life.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

One should be humble.  There is something wrong with doing good things and
then bragging about it.

Betty

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > I believe you were saying, about some tapes you discovered...?
>
> The tapes!  I got busy with the end of the semester etc and almost
> forgot our discussion of them.  Sometime soon (my last exam is coming in
> tomorrow -- small class -- should be graded very quickly) I'm going to
> dig into the box of tapes and pursue the plan of mailing them to you.
>

That was far from my point - I was reminding you that re-discovering the
tapes and making them known and available is the kind of accomplishment a
lot of people admire and would point to in your life - amid many others.

clo

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?
> >
> > I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
> > grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
> > talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
> > that restraint.
>
> Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
> to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
> might do in life.
>

It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to need to
be thanked.

Example:
In the early days of my being employed, I felt moved to tithe my income
(this is under the influence of the Mormons).
My Dad urged people to tithe, but I, being anti-church, decided to tithe
by sending money to charity. I knew that he had done this also, partly
because he got paid out of donations to the church so felt like he was
paying himself if he gave there - sort of a conflict of interest thing. So
I went to him in a spiritual advisor kind of mode, and asked his advice
about the choices I had made. He wouldn't take the list and made me feel
kind of wormlike and boasty by his reaction to showing anybody what I was
doing, even my own Dad - not actively, by criticizing, but by his attitude
of "why do you need someone to tell you what is right to do? Are you
looking for praise?"

Obviously I have gotten over it to some degree, or I wouldn't be able to
tell the story.

clo

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > (Our list tradition
> > > is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
> > > want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
> > > respected.)
> > >
> >
> > Dang, why isn't <THAT> in your FAQ?
>
> Don't know.  I didn't write the FAQ.  But it's something you discover by
> hanging around the list for a while.
>
> --

Not soon enough.
clo

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Betty:
= At 06:50 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
= >
= >> >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?
= >>
= >> I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
= >> grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
= >> talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
= >> that restraint.
= >
= >Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
= >to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
= >might do in life.
= >
= >--
= > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
= >    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
=
= One should be humble.  There is something wrong with doing good things and
= then bragging about it.
=
= Betty

I think that we all talk about the good things we do in life,
including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".
Becaue then the behind the back response is usually, "What kind
of little miss goody two shoes does she think she is, anyway".
There's a huge range of things in betwen the two.

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At 03:07 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Betty:
>= At 06:50 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>= >"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>= >
>= >> >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?
>= >>
>= >> I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
>= >> grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
>= >> talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
>= >> that restraint.
>= >
>= >Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
>= >to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
>= >might do in life.
>= >
>= >--
>= > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>= >    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>=
>= One should be humble.  There is something wrong with doing good things and
>= then bragging about it.
>=
>= Betty
>
>I think that we all talk about the good things we do in life,
>including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
>doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".
>Becaue then the behind the back response is usually, "What kind
>of little miss goody two shoes does she think she is, anyway".
>There's a huge range of things in betwen the two.


Yes, I agree and it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
= > > > (Our list tradition
= > > > is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
= > > > want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
= > > > respected.)
= > > >
= > >
= > > Dang, why isn't <THAT> in your FAQ?
= >
= > Don't know.  I didn't write the FAQ.  But it's something you discover by
= > hanging around the list for a while.
= >
= > --
=
= Not soon enough.
= clo

It's not a Frequently Asked Question.  I'd say that therapy is
about the only place that the above isn't true.

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Jeff wrote:

> Kristin,
>
> I uncovered one more of your books this afternoon--"The Seasons."

Thank you for letting me know, Jeff. I am rather curious of that work. Yet
there's no hurry.

(I'll try to be back at the computer later on, not before some hours.)

Kristin

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 03:07 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> >Betty:
> >= At 06:50 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >= >"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >= >
> >= >> >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the world?
> >= >>
> >= >> I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think that being
> >= >> grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
> >= >> talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to practice
> >= >> that restraint.
> >= >
> >= >Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
> >= >to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
> >= >might do in life.
> >= >
> >= >--
> >= > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >= >    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
> >=
> >= One should be humble.  There is something wrong with doing good things and
> >= then bragging about it.
> >=
> >= Betty
> >
> >I think that we all talk about the good things we do in life,
> >including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
> >doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".
> >Becaue then the behind the back response is usually, "What kind
> >of little miss goody two shoes does she think she is, anyway".
> >There's a huge range of things in betwen the two.
>
>
> Yes, I agree and it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference.
>

Sometimes. Not "usually". Usually, people have multiple motivations, and
the one that's on top isn't necessarily clear.

I have been thinking about whether to say anything in this context about
my involvement in pro bono work, which this thread caused me to think
pretty seriously about. I wrote a couple of passionate responses and
discarded them because - well, partly because the admonition against
tooting your own horn is pretty strong in me.
It's relevant stuff, I think, and <some> of the feedback from the list
may be helpful in sorting out some weighty issues I am struggling with;
but I know from the Shoshana comments earlier that at least some people
would see me as bragging <again> if I talked about it;
and even I cannot tell to what extent they would be right.

clo

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>but I know from the Shoshana comments earlier that at least some people
>would see me as bragging <again> if I talked about it;
>and even I cannot tell to what extent they would be right.
>clo

You can tell us.  The Shoshana stuff isn't just bragging.  It was telling
us fantastical things that couldn't possibly be true -- like having Jim
Morrison's love child.  The day you reminded me of Shoshana wasn't because
of bragging but because of the hippie/flower child comparison.


    --bonniev

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Jeff wrote:

> At 11:29 PM 5/3/2003, you wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Today, she seems quite aware. Just having difficulty coming up with
>> the
>> > proper words, and seeing and hearing things that I don't hear or see.
>>
>> That's the morphine, of course.
>>
>>           - D. M.
>
>
> It might be partially, but she's been on morphine a while and has only
> recently been experiencing hallucinations. It's more likely the cancer
> metastasizing in her brain, as well as the body starting to shut down. I
> also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating with
> loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to come. I know
> that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.


        I know what you're talking about.  I worked in a nursing home
when I was a teenager, and I observed this about a lot of
the patients right before they died.  When my MIL was dying,
my husband came home with stories about how she would talk
to him like he was his father (who she divorced in the 60's
for being a lying, cheating bastard, but she never did remarry).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Jeff wrote:

> That's how the story began. Sometime I'll tell of all the amazing
> coincidences involving Alyce and us which pretty much prove in my mind that
> nature is more powerful than nurture.

This is all a wonderful story!  There are quite a few books in it or at
least one really, really long and detailed book.  I seriously think you
should write it/them.  If you felt it was more appropriate, you could
write it as fiction based on fact instead of calling it an out-and-out
biography/autobiography (that's why I see it as more than one book
really, though it could be The Story of Alyce told from your pov,
starting with your finding her, the meetings, etc. and flashing back to
her fascinating life, perhaps ending with the nature/nuture thing).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Jeff wrote:

> V's as W's.

Hmm.  Where is Espen?  He might have some ideas about this.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Jeff wrote:

> His last name is Klammer. He might have been a tenant, but I'm pretty sure
> he never paid rent. I think she gave him an allowance.

Thanks.  Klammer doesn't ring a bell, which makes me think she didn't
mention it, though it may be that my brainbellringer is asleep or on
vacation.

I can't remember the specifics of what she said about his first moving
in, just something about its being a good arrangement for both of them.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't what I do in order to get <credit> for it.

I certainly didn't mean one should talk about things like that in an
<unsolicited> way in order to <get credit>.  What I was asking was why
it was considered part of repaying to refrain from answering a question
like the one I asked.

> There are some
>  contexts (EFM etc.) in which I make suggestions. Do you want suggestions?

Sure.  Post them.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:18 AM 5/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Sun, 4 May 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 03:07 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> > >Betty:
> > >= At 06:50 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >= >"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> > >= >
> > >= >> >accomplish.  What is it that you do to fulfill your debt to the
> world?
> > >= >>
> > >= >> I think that attitude is a large part of activity, and I think
> that being
> > >= >> grateful is one way to repay. Another way to repay is to refrain from
> > >= >> talking about what one does or tries to do to repay. I try to
> practice
> > >= >> that restraint.
> > >= >
> > >= >Why do you think that not talking about it is part of repaying?  Seems
> > >= >to me it might be a good way to give others ideas of <good things> they
> > >= >might do in life.
> > >= >
> > >= >--
> > >= > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >= >    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
> > >=
> > >= One should be humble.  There is something wrong with doing good
> things and
> > >= then bragging about it.
> > >=
> > >= Betty
> > >
> > >I think that we all talk about the good things we do in life,
> > >including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
> > >doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".
> > >Becaue then the behind the back response is usually, "What kind
> > >of little miss goody two shoes does she think she is, anyway".
> > >There's a huge range of things in betwen the two.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I agree and it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference.
> >
>
>Sometimes. Not "usually". Usually, people have multiple motivations, and
>the one that's on top isn't necessarily clear.
>
>I have been thinking about whether to say anything in this context about
>my involvement in pro bono work, which this thread caused me to think
>pretty seriously about. I wrote a couple of passionate responses and
>discarded them because - well, partly because the admonition against
>tooting your own horn is pretty strong in me.
>It's relevant stuff, I think, and <some> of the feedback from the list
>may be helpful in sorting out some weighty issues I am struggling with;
>but I know from the Shoshana comments earlier that at least some people
>would see me as bragging <again> if I talked about it;
>and even I cannot tell to what extent they would be right.

I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get pleasure
from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself on
the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!

Shoshana was entertaining and a good storyteller. I wonder if she is still
alive?  She was preparing her new husband to live without her because she
was dying was the last story I heard.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > I have long noticed with a bit of dismay how often Natalie and I agree on
> > > things.
> >
> >Yes.  But, fwiw, I don't feel dismayed.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> But, Natalie, I'm a Yankee.  <shudder>

That's not a problem.  It has never bothered me to agree with aliens.

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In this country, Sunday mornings in the summer largely are devoted to two
religious rituals:  going to church and mowing the lawn.  Presumably, some
of my fellow citizens are doing the former; the next-door neighbor is now
involved in the latter.  His mower is even louder than his Harley.

cwv

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to need to
> be thanked.

Again, that's not what I was talking about.  I said nothing about
seeking acclamation or feeling a need to be thanked.  I don't see not
running around talking about one's <good deeds> as the same thing as
refusing to give examples when asked directly in the context of a
discussion about such matters.  (Note that I don't mean to imply that
it's <wrong> to refuse to answer.  I'm just curious about the motivation
and about how it's part of the <repayment>.)

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>  There are quite a few books in it or at
>least one really, really long and detailed book.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Actually, I have a copy of a book called, I think, "The Birth Bond," in
which Alyce was interviewed after our reunion. The names were changed to
protect the innocent.

Her sister just told me that in a particular cupboard in her library are
scrapbooks that Alyce told her pretty much cover her life story.

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steph wrote:

> including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
> doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".

Not even when asked what you think you might be doing as part of your
debt to society?

--
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>
>Her sister just told me that in a particular cupboard in her library are
>scrapbooks that Alyce told her pretty much cover her life story.


"her," meaning Alyce's. There are a bunch of boxes piled in front of it,
but I'll investigate by and by.

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> >also am of the belief that near death, people start communicating
with
> >loved ones on the other side or seeing visions of that life to come.
I know
> >that seems silly to some, but I really do believe it.
>
> I believe that too and that's why I asked about what she was hearing
and
> seeing.  Doris, I think, believes this also.   I would be happy if you
> would report on these things, Jeff.  It's not often that we get to
> experience someone dying, even second hand.
>
>
>     --bonniev

One of my grandmothers, just before she left, saw her husband,
who had been gone for 30 years.  She just lit up, raised her arms
and said "Oh, Andrew you've come for me."  It was striking
because she was a quiet, modest person with no sense of drama.

                      - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
= > doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".
=
= Not even when asked what you think you might be doing as part of your
= debt to society?
=

Maybe even especially then.  Didn't I just say that NOYB is
pretty much valid everywhere except in therapy?

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:


> It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to need to
> be thanked.

And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.

AS

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> In this country, Sunday mornings in the summer largely are devoted to two
> religious rituals:  going to church and mowing the lawn.  Presumably, some
> of my fellow citizens are doing the former; the next-door neighbor is now
> involved in the latter.  His mower is even louder than his Harley.

Not around here.  Although there are occasional exceptions, most people
here consider it <inappropriate> to cut grass on Sunday, even if they
aren't at all religious and don't ever go to church.  It's something
about respecting the sensibilites of those who do believe that this
should be a <quiet> day.  (I don't think many people around here are
likely to extend it to other <sabbaths> though -- as in I doubt that
somebody whose next-door-neighbor is Jewish or Seventh-Day Adventist
refrains from cutting grass on Saturday.)

I have cut grass on a Sunday on a few occasions in my life, when my ox
was in a ditch, but I have always felt odd doing it -- and would never
do it on a Sunday morning.  Phony behavior?  I don't know.  I wouldn't
hesitate to do it if it could be done <secretly>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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=
= I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
= get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get pleasure
= from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself on
= the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!
=

Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.

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Jeff wrote:

> Actually, I have a copy of a book called, I think, "The Birth Bond," in
> which Alyce was interviewed after our reunion. The names were changed to
> protect the innocent.

Funny that we were just talking about Wayne, NJ:

The Birth Bond Wayne, NJ:Avery Publishing Co. 1984, with Gough S, Elkins
S.

> Her sister just told me that in a particular cupboard in her library are
> scrapbooks that Alyce told her pretty much cover her life story.

What a treasure!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Here's the thing I was talking about that Norton keeps grabbing:

> From: Norton AntiVirus Email Protection
>
> Norton AntiVirus deleted the following email message because it was infected
> with a virus:
>
> From: <big@boss.com>
> To: <natalie@maynor.net>
> Subject: Re: Movies

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Jeff wrote:

>>
>>> One of the most immature people I've ever met. Did Alyce ever talk about
>>> the time he ran for President?
>>
>>
>> No, she didn't.  Do tell.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>
> This was a huge thing in '92. He wrote a lengthy economic and political
> manifesto and was going to use it to elevate him to the Presidency. The
> basic premise was that every man, woman and child in the U.S. would be
> given $200,000. He went on the campaign trail in New Hampshire and was
> interviewed on C-SPAN. What was so laughable was his naivete. He didn't
> even know that the Capitol and the White House were different buildings.
> Once he got elected, he was going to get a big black limousine with
> "President Ken" painted on the sides.


        Oh my goodness.  I remember talking about his campaign with
my co-workers at the time. (We were a fairly politically
active office.)

        It is so interesting to see Ken from a different pov.  Alyce
protected him.



--
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>
>Actually, I have a copy of a book called, I think, "The Birth Bond," in
>which Alyce was interviewed after our reunion. The names were changed to
>protect the innocent.


     Gediman, Judith S.; Brown, Linda P.; Dunphy, Joan S. (editor)
     Birth Bond : Reunions Between Birthparents and Adoptees, What Happens
After.
     . .
     Far Hills, NJ, U.S.A.: New Horizon Press Publishers, Incorporated,
1991 Trade
     Paperback. ISBN:088282-072-9.

This is the paperback edition; mine is in hardcover.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, I have a copy of a book called, I think, "The Birth Bond," in
>>which Alyce was interviewed after our reunion. The names were changed to
>>protect the innocent.
>>
>
> Funny that we were just talking about Wayne, NJ:
>
> The Birth Bond Wayne, NJ:Avery Publishing Co. 1984, with Gough S, Elkins
> S.
>



        I meant to mention that one of my students did a genealogy
thing for his research paper and discovered that one of his
ggg (etc.) grandmothers was the founding mother of New
Jersey (after she was disemboweled and sewn back up by
Indians -- she makes Hanna Dustin look like wimp).




--
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Jeff wrote:

>>
>> Ohmygod.  What was Alyce's reaction to all that?  Did she laugh or did
>> she
>> help him write the manifesto??
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>
> She didn't help him at all, except when he hitchhiked to D.C. to campaign
> and ran out of money. She paid for his motel room. She's been supporting
> him and his harebrained schemes for years, mostly out of respect for his
> mother and because she feels sorry and responsible for him. She's leaving
> him a modest inheritance, but half of it is already spent, as he and his
> new bride are both unemployed out in L.A. It's up to me to pack up all his
> belongings that are still here and put them on a moving van to California.


        I suspect that his future prospects aren't good without Alyce.




--
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At 08:51 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Not even when asked what you think you might be doing as part of your
>debt to society?

Is this the same "debt to society" that a felon pays off by spending time
in prison (or being executed)?

cwv

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I hereby brag that I had a very minor, very background role in the
launching of the project described in this news story.  I must make
clear, however, that I was not a major player -- was definitely not the
originator and was only minorly involved in the implementing, putting
info on the class webpage.  And I was most certainly not the "she" whose
$5,000 check is mentioned near the end.

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0305/04/oorley.html

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>
>
>        I suspect that his future prospects aren't good without Alyce.
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Well, his new wife, Suma, from Lebanon, is very smart and a hard worker.
She was employed by an insurance company in Montreal before their marriage
and is waiting for her Canadian visa to come through so she can get a job
in the U.S. They're very much in love and devoted to one another.

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I meant to mention when sending that url that I found the wording of the
newspaper poll question to the left of the story pretty funny -- a good
example of the kinds of poll questions that are often unanswerable, with
its implication that the scientists are lying.

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steph wrote:
> = > including Bethany.  It's just that some of us don't say, "I'm
> = > doing such and so because it's part of my debt to society".
> =
> = Not even when asked what you think you might be doing as part of your
> = debt to society?
>
> Maybe even especially then.  Didn't I just say that NOYB is
> pretty much valid everywhere except in therapy?

Sure, it's valid.  Nobody is arguing with that.

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At 04:02 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>=
>= I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
>= get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get pleasure
>= from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself on
>= the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!
>=
>
>Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
>people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
>think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.

Oh, I'm sure they do but I also know people who do them because they like
to and want to. It is pleasurable.  Geeeze. You are picky today.

Betty

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steph wrote:
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> =
> = I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
> = get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get pleasure
> = from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself on
> = the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!
>
> Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
> people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
> think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.

I think most people do both kinds, pleasurable and unpleasurable.  Some
of the unpleasurable ones might offer a kind of pleasure afterwards,
though.  Sort of like cutting the grass.  I find the task highly
unpleasant but enjoy looking at the cut yard and thinking about how I
accomplished the task and it's over (until the next time, of course).

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         It is so interesting to see Ken from a different pov.  Alyce
> protected him.

You remember how she was distressed when she realized that his schedule
was such that he was going to be in Germantown when we visited?  She had
thought he was going to be in Canada at that time.  She was afraid that
he would be disturbed by our visit.  She then said that her concern was
that we would find it weird if he hid in his room.  We assured her that
that would be ok.  As it turned out, he was rather sociable that day.  I
remember walking all around in the yard with him, talking about plants
and about some kind of yard-related project way back in the back, etc.
No axes involved in our stroll through the yard.

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Jeff wrote:

>      Gediman, Judith S.; Brown, Linda P.; Dunphy, Joan S. (editor)
>      Birth Bond : Reunions Between Birthparents and Adoptees, What Happens
> After.

Hmm.  Obviously not the one I stumbled upon.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Is this the same "debt to society" that a felon pays off by spending time
> in prison (or being executed)?

Don't know.  I can't remember now who introduced the "debt to society"
idea.  It was in relation to Mother Theresa, iirc, and Bonnie asked
"what debt?"

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>
>No axes involved in our stroll through the yard.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


I will give him this--since he met Suma, she has forced him to take Lithium
daily, something Alyce could never make him do. Alyce says he has not had
any violent incidents since, to her knowledge.

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, bonniev wrote:

> You can tell us.

Thanks, maybe later. Just talked to our friend's Mom - he is in ICU on
life support and nonresponsive, and I can't get in touch with V, who is at
camp on the phone with my BIL. I need to hunt down their friends and let
them know.

clo

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>
>
>Hmm.  Obviously not the one I stumbled upon.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I'm not totally sure. The 1984 date seems closer to what I remember.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Don't know.  I can't remember now who introduced the "debt to society"
> idea.  It was in relation to Mother Theresa, iirc, and Bonnie asked
> "what debt?"

Found it:

*******************
Bonnie (in reply to Betty's mention of Mother T):
> >If you had it all to do over, would you even want to live the life Mother
> >Theresa did?  I sure wouldn't.
Betty:
> No, I was thinking of actually doing something with my life. What have you
> done with your life? What have you given back?  You can leave Mother
> Theresa out of it and insert someone else.  I haven't done much.
Natalie:
This has morphed into a different topic, but I will answer (though the
question was addressed to Bonniemae) that I have done pretty much
nothing in exchange for the space I'm taking up and the world's energy
I'm consuming.  It's not something I dwell on or even feel especially
guilty about.  I guess if one applied for the position of being born
into the world, then one would have <obligations>.  But it just
happens.  Here we are.
********************

My use of "obligations" led to Bethany's later use of "owe," which led
in followups to the word "debt."  So to return to your question, I guess
it's more like paying a fine than like being in jail.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> His last name is Klammer. He might have been a tenant, but I'm pretty
sure
> he never paid rent. I think she gave him an allowance.


Meaning no disrespect, but Ken Klammer would
fit perfectly into that famous monologue Johnny
Carson did on "Who stole the clappers from . . ."

                                       - D. M.

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> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > (Our list tradition
> > is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
> > want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
> > respected.)

You can lie, too.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > (Our list tradition
> > > is that you can give a real answer if you want to or can say NOYB if you
> > > want to or simply ignore the question.  And whichever you choose will be
> > > respected.)
>
> You can lie, too.

Well, sure.  But beware of skillful pokers-arounders who can ferret out
info, checking obituaries in Portland newspapers, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> >
> > His last name is Klammer. He might have been a tenant, but I'm
pretty
> sure
> > he never paid rent. I think she gave him an allowance.
>
>
> Meaning no disrespect, but Ken Klammer would
> fit perfectly into that famous monologue Johnny
> Carson did on "Who stole the clappers from . . ."
>
>                                        - D. M.

Responding to my own post:

Doris, that was not a monologue, it was a dialogue
with Jack Webb.  Read it here:

http://www.badge714.com/DRAGQUOT.HTM#ccc



                             - D. M.

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> This thread's made me feel totally mutant. I just can't wrap my brain around
> the whole comparison idea. Natalie and you seem utterly alien to me.
> (Notthat
> there'sanythingwrongwiththat.)

Count me in with Natalie and Bonniev (with the accent on imagination not
comparison of other lives)

Maybe it's a NON-ENGINEER thing.

Ann

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>Well, sure.  But beware of skillful pokers-arounders who can ferret out
info, checking obituaries in Portland newspapers, etc.

Not everyone has an obit in a newspaper.

AS

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> V's as W's.

>Hmm.  Where is Espen?  He might have some ideas about this.

This V-as-W feature is also prominent in the vernacular variety of English
spoken by people of Tortola, British Virgin Islands (and likely other BV
Islanders as well --  in Virgin Gorda, Jost Van Dyke and Anegada).

AS

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Why does this post get three red peppers from Eudora??  Must be Virgin Dyke.


> > V's as W's.
>
> >Hmm.  Where is Espen?  He might have some ideas about this.
>
>This V-as-W feature is also prominent in the vernacular variety of English
>spoken by people of Tortola, British Virgin Islands (and likely other BV
>Islanders as well --  in Virgin Gorda, Jost Van Dyke and Anegada).
>
>AS

    --bonniev

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bonniev, on top:

Why does this post get three red peppers from Eudora??  Must be Virgin Dyke.

> > V's as W's.
>
> >Hmm.  Where is Espen?  He might have some ideas about this.
>
>This V-as-W feature is also prominent in the vernacular variety of English
>spoken by people of Tortola, British Virgin Islands (and likely other BV
>Islanders as well --  in Virgin Gorda, Jost Van Dyke and Anegada).


Ah, well -- blame it on Christopher Columbus and later the Dutch ...

AS

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At 11:27 AM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>Why does this post get three red peppers from Eudora??  Must be Virgin Dyke.

LOL

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > =
= > = I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
= > = get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get pleasure
= > = from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself on
= > = the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!
= >
= > Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
= > people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
= > think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.
=
= I think most people do both kinds, pleasurable and unpleasurable.  Some
= of the unpleasurable ones might offer a kind of pleasure afterwards,
= though.  Sort of like cutting the grass.  I find the task highly
= unpleasant but enjoy looking at the cut yard and thinking about how I
= accomplished the task and it's over (until the next time, of course).
=

Oh, god Natalie, this is so not like cutting the grass!

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>And I was most certainly not the "she" whose
$5,000 check is mentioned near the end.


BRAG ALERT!

AS

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Betty:
= At 04:02 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
= >=
= >= I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
= >= get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get
= >pleasure
= >= from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself
= >on
= >= the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!
= >=
= >
= >Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
= >people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
= >think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.
=
= Oh, I'm sure they do but I also know people who do them because they like
= to and want to. It is pleasurable.  Geeeze. You are picky today.
=

I'm picky most of the time, but I don't usually say much.  I'm
thinking it's the people who do the unpleasureable deeds who are
the most likely to brag about them.  Otherwise it just comes out
naturally as part of the conversation.

Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.

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>Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
>social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
>that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
>in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.

Well said, steph.  I resemble that description.


    --bonniev

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> She'd be mortified if she knew

I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all feel
affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public mourning
& celebration.

Ann

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> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>
speaking of words, this is actually a hilarious choice . . .

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Somehow my questions are feeling gossipy all of a sudden.  But I see a
> difference between gossip, which tends to be head-shaking or
> eyebrow-raising or <juicy> or whatever, and this kind of talk about
> somebody we truly care about.

Not to be redundant, but

UH HUH

Ann

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At 12:07 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>
>I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all feel
>affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
>rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
>revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public mourning
>& celebration.
>
>Ann

I think you're right, Ann. We probably should give it a rest.

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> She told us way back when she first starting referring to him that he
> was the son of a friend of hers.  I don't remember that she said much of
> anything about his parents -- just that that was how he had come into
> her life.

You could always tell by the way she talked about him, and because of her
evident distaste for the fact he was marrying and moving away, that she had
feelings for him. When he returned, there was a palpable air of relief in
her posts, and when he did things around the house for her, there was the
sense that order had been restored, the planets were back in their orbits.

-aht

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At 05:50 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Betty:
>= At 04:02 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= >=
>= >= I think usually it's interesting and not bragging at all. How else do we
>= >= get to know people if we don't know what they do and what they get
>= >pleasure
>= >= from?  Besides, sometimes,  there is nothing wrong with patting yourself
>= >on
>= >= the back for a big accomplishment.  Share the good news, too!
>= >=
>= >
>= >Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
>= >people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
>= >think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.
>=
>= Oh, I'm sure they do but I also know people who do them because they like
>= to and want to. It is pleasurable.  Geeeze. You are picky today.
>=
>
>I'm picky most of the time, but I don't usually say much.  I'm
>thinking it's the people who do the unpleasureable deeds who are
>the most likely to brag about them.  Otherwise it just comes out
>naturally as part of the conversation.
>
>Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
>social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
>that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
>in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.

I'm getting to be more in this category as I get older.  I'm more selfish
with my time and money.

Betty

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At 12:13 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>At 12:07 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>>
>>I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all feel
>>affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
>>rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
>>revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public mourning
>>& celebration.
>>
>>Ann
>
>I think you're right, Ann. We probably should give it a rest.

Still, I found that writing a quick capsule of her life was a cathartic
experience--organizing several odd memories I'd never put together before.
It made me appreciate and admire her all the more. A more colorful,
free-spirited and devoted woman you'd never meet.

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 > Still, I found that writing a quick capsule of her life was a cathartic
 > experience--organizing several odd memories I'd never put together before.
 > It made me appreciate and admire her all the more. A more colorful,
 > free-spirited and devoted woman you'd never meet.

Change "devoted" to "principled." I think that's a better word.

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> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>
> I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all
feel
> affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
> rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
> revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public
mourning
> & celebration.
>
> Ann

This is not bothering me.  When we told Alyce she'd
had an interesting life, I often felt she was hinting "if you
only knew . .".  Now I have an idea she's smiling and
saying "and now you know the rest of the story."
She had not felt the need to tell us all the details of her
life but I don't think it was so much a privacy matter as
it was that she was reluctant to seem to be drawing
attention to herself.

Anyway, I think it is a good regrouping for Jeff,
and does no harm.

                                - D. M.

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 3:56:03 AM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.
> =

> Yabbut.  Doesn't he just look scrumtious in his gladiator togs?

He looked okay.

Karen

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:13:43 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> At first, Jeff, she simply called him the Ex-Tenant when talking about
> him here.

I thought he was the Tenant when she started on the list.

Karen

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On Sun, 4 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>I have been thinking about whether to say anything in this context about
>my involvement in pro bono work, which this thread caused me to think
>pretty seriously about. I wrote a couple of passionate responses and
>discarded them because - well, partly because the admonition against
>tooting your own horn is pretty strong in me.

For me, pro bono work is an example of something I do for several
different reasons. Here's one example:

My beloved TEXAS never pays experts for their work for defense in capital
cases. One result is that few social scientists will agree to look at jury
instruction or other issues in capital cases in Texas (at least, not more
than once). I have now completed detailed analyses and prepared affidavits
in two such cases, and I am working of a third - all for the same lawyer -
and I have never been paid a cent. I have probably spent at least 60 hours
on these cases, maybe 80-100 hours. I decided several years ago that one
of us must persevere or those instructions in Texas - as bad as anywhere,
I think - will never be changed. I will persevere - for several reasons,
one of which is that it simply needs to be done and no one else seems to
be willing to do it.

I have reported research from the first case in: "Reasonable Doubt about
Reasonable Doubt: Assessing Jury Instruction Adequacy in a Capital Case."
Chapter 15 of _Language in The Legal Process_, ed. Janet Cotterill.
Basingstoke and New York: Palgrave Macmillan Press, 2002, 246-259.

Bethany

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 11:44:32 AM, Jeff wrote:
>  > A more colorful,
>  > free-spirited and devoted woman you'd never meet.

> Change "devoted" to "principled." I think that's a better word.

Amen.:)

Karen

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I just stumbled upon something in Village Voice saying that "Manor
House" will be repeated in full at 12:30 today on WNET (NYC, I assume).
Oops.  That means almost an hour ago, doesn't it.  Anyway, I thought
that might be useful info to some of you.  Presumably, it will be
repeated on other stations also.  I would poke around in search of it
except that I'm about to go turn on my electric teevee to CSPAN to see
whether I can get last night's SC debate, which is supposedly on CSPAN
at 1:30 eastern time.

Here's the "Manor House" link:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0318/tv.php

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:24:00 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't see how it's possible to have too much time on your hands.  Iow,
> I don't think it's the amount of time; I think it's the person's
> psyche.  I guess maybe if you were locked in a jail cell with nothing to
> read, no way to write, etc. etc. it might be possible to have too much
> time on your hands.  You could play mental games for just so long -- or
> at least I think I would burn out on them after a while and would feel
> that I had too much time on my hands.  But outside of some situation of
> that kind, I'd say that a person who feels that he/she has too much time
> is a rather vacuous person.

I would have thought so, too, but this person is far from vacuous. (I
was quite surprised at the comment.)

Karen

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Apparently more is headed toward this area, though not exactly *here.* There
has been more such <weather conditions> than usual in the region but  thus
far my vehicle has been spared. I have noted signs at body shops
specifically advertising repairs from hail damage.

What's next -- killer bees?

AS

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Jeff wrote:

> At 12:13 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>
>> At 12:07 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>>
>>> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>>>
>>> I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all
>>> feel
>>> affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
>>> rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
>>> revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public
>>> mourning
>>> & celebration.
>>>
>>> Ann
>>
>>
>> I think you're right, Ann. We probably should give it a rest.
>
>
> Still, I found that writing a quick capsule of her life was a cathartic
> experience--organizing several odd memories I'd never put together before.
> It made me appreciate and admire her all the more. A more colorful,
> free-spirited and devoted woman you'd never meet.
>

        I figure it probably feels good to recount all these stories
-- an affirming kind of thing if you go in for psych terms.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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I have had Norton running all along.

Sunday, May 4, 2003, 9:04:53 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Here's the thing I was talking about that Norton keeps grabbing:

>> From: Norton AntiVirus Email Protection
>>
>> Norton AntiVirus deleted the following email message because it was infected
>> with a virus:
>>
>> From: <big@boss.com>
>> To: <natalie@maynor.net>
>> Subject: Re: Movies

> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/



Karen

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Karen Kay:
= Sunday, May 4, 2003, 3:56:03 AM, steph wrote:
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.
= > =
=
= > Yabbut.  Doesn't he just look scrumtious in his gladiator togs?
=
= He looked okay.
=
= Karen

phttbht

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Subject: Re: Oh, Hail!
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        We had hail two years ago that caused over $20,000 in damage
to our house.  I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled
development, however.

Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Apparently more is headed toward this area, though not exactly *here.* There
> has been more such <weather conditions> than usual in the region but  thus
> far my vehicle has been spared. I have noted signs at body shops
> specifically advertising repairs from hail damage.
>
> What's next -- killer bees?
>
> AS
>
>


--
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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:14:10 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         We had hail two years ago that caused over $20,000 in damage
> to our house.  I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled
> development, however.

Ligniere's last car looked like it had acne because it had been in a
bad hailstorm.

Karen

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>        We had hail two years ago that caused over $20,000 in damage
to our house.

Impressive!

>I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled development, however.

Why should anyone?

AS

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The pie's in the oven.

It must be spring in the midwest.

           - D. M.

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Karen Kay:
= I have had Norton running all along.
=
= Sunday, May 4, 2003, 9:04:53 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= > Here's the thing I was talking about that Norton keeps grabbing:
=
= >> From: Norton AntiVirus Email Protection
= >>
= >> Norton AntiVirus deleted the following email message because it was infected
= >> with a virus:
= >>
= >> From: <big@boss.com>
= >> To: <natalie@maynor.net>
= >> Subject: Re: Movies
=

Natalie,

There is a virus in the mail.  Norton is doing exactly what it is supposed to
do.  Here's a link to today's update, just in case you haven't
updated recently.
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html

Probably it means that someone with your email address in their
address book is infected.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:14:10 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        We had hail two years ago that caused over $20,000 in damage
>>to our house.  I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled
>>development, however.
>>
>
> Ligniere's last car looked like it had acne because it had been in a
> bad hailstorm.


        For about six months, you could tell a car had been in North
County on that day because of the dents.  We were lucky and
my car was being repaired out in West County that day (and
Kevin was somewhere else visiting a friend), so we didn't
have any claims on the cars.

        I noticed the other day that our former insurance company
(CNA), who said they were dropping us because they were no
longer doing business in Missouri, is adversiting for new
clients.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>The pie's in the oven.


>It must be spring in the midwest.


>           - D. M.

Splendid! I well remember the great taste of your rhubarb creation from
J-Fest!

AS

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:26:37 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> The pie's in the oven.

> It must be spring in the midwest.

Do you buy it or grow it? (It appears in stores here, but it's kind of
expensive.)

Karen

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>       We had hail two years ago that caused over $20,000 in damage
>>
> to our house.
>
> Impressive!


        It was quite impressive, albeit a little distressing and
eventually a royal pain in the ass.


>
>>I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled development, however.
>>
>
> Why should anyone?


        You tell me.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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An update on Alyce and a question to those who have gone through this kind
of thing before:

Alyce had a pretty rough night. She couldn't sleep because of the
congestion that she was too weak to cough up. She kept asking why she
wasn't dead and said I needed to kill her. Finally, at about 6 a.m., she
went to sleep and hasn't woken up yet.

She may now be comatose, but I don't know, because I am being careful not
to disturb her and possibly awaken her. She hasn't asked for food in more
than two days and I haven't tried to feed her (I have asked her a few times
and she has declined). Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
would help to ease my mind considerably

Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.

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Jeff wrote:

>  He's a former graphic artist--an Italian from the Upper East
> Side. Which prompts a wordsler question: His speech is completely
> Anglicized with one exception--he pronounces his V's as W's, as in "thank
> you wery much." Must be an eastern European influence somewhere--that's
> certainly not Italian?

There may be other reasons for other people, eastern Europeans or not, but at
school in our English lessons it was, and is, a typical pronunciation mistake.
It cannot be exactly a direct influence of the Estonian language, for we have
not /w/-sound. Yet the lack of it probably is the reason for that mistake.
When a pupil says "very well", he is in trouble anyway. So, as he eagerly
tries to say w-sound, he would pronounce it at the beginning of "very"
already.

Besides, there seem to be relatively few words in English the first letter of
which is "v". At the beginning of studying the language there are much more
words starting with "w". So, being maybe a bit confused by all that foreign
pronunciation anyway, this w-sound may be remembered so well that it becomes
an obstacle when a word starting with "v" occurs.

Kristin

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At 02:24 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:26:37 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > The pie's in the oven.
>
> > It must be spring in the midwest.
>
>Do you buy it or grow it? (It appears in stores here, but it's kind of
>expensive.)
>
>Karen

It grows like weeds at our house in western Illinois. There is a Rhubarb
Fest in a nearby town.

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I had thought 12:30 and thus missed the beginning of the debate.  I just
looked back at my e-mail from Howard and saw that it said 1:15 (=my
12:15).  Oops -- the e-mail this time wasn't from Howard himself.  It
was from the Dean for America staff.  Here are today's times:

> on C-CSPAN at 1:15 p.m., 6:30 p.m., and 9:30 p.m. Eastern.

But at least I saw a good bit of it.  And I'm still for Howard.

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>>I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled development, however.
>>
>
> Why should anyone?



>        You tell me.

I leave you with the sound of one hand clapping ......

AS

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steph wrote:

> = > Interesting choice of words here, "pleasure".  I think some
> = > people do some of those "debt to society" things because they
> = > think they have to, not because they get any pleasure from them.
> =
> = I think most people do both kinds, pleasurable and unpleasurable.  Some
> = of the unpleasurable ones might offer a kind of pleasure afterwards,
> = though.  Sort of like cutting the grass.  I find the task highly
> = unpleasant but enjoy looking at the cut yard and thinking about how I
> = accomplished the task and it's over (until the next time, of course).
>
> Oh, god Natalie, this is so not like cutting the grass!

Why not?  Having done it yesterday, it hopped into my head as a fairly
good example of how something unpleasurable can result in after-the-fact
pleasure of sorts.

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:28:23 PM, Jeff wrote:
> Alyce had a pretty rough night. She couldn't sleep because of the
> congestion that she was too weak to cough up. She kept asking why she
> wasn't dead and said I needed to kill her. Finally, at about 6 a.m., she
> went to sleep and hasn't woken up yet.

> She may now be comatose, but I don't know, because I am being careful not
> to disturb her and possibly awaken her. She hasn't asked for food in more
> than two days and I haven't tried to feed her (I have asked her a few times
> and she has declined). Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
> to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
> a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
> would help to ease my mind considerably

Yes, Jeff, you are doing the right thing. Your job is to help her die,
and you are doing that.

It must be hard to hear her ask why she isn't dead yet and tell you
that you need to kill her.

This may be dumb, but have you been telling her she can go? From both
you and Doug?

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> One of my grandmothers, just before she left, saw her husband,
> who had been gone for 30 years.  She just lit up, raised her arms
> and said "Oh, Andrew you've come for me."  It was striking
> because she was a quiet, modest person with no sense of drama.

So it may be that people may be happy, in their own special way, for staying
on the verge for some time, and recognizing there staying there. Perhaps?

Kristin

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:30:23 PM, Jeff wrote:
> It grows like weeds at our house in western Illinois. There is a Rhubarb
> Fest in a nearby town.

Yes, I grew up in MI, and it grew in our backyard there. I don't know
if it grows in TX. I do think of it as a midwestern thang.

Karen

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steph wrote:

> Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
> social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
> that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
> in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.

I'm not sure about this.  I can see sociable people as being potentially
damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
degree of sociability is relevant.

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:38:09 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>>I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled development, however.
>>>
>>
>> Why should anyone?



>>        You tell me.

> I leave you with the sound of one hand clapping ......

As the discussion began. Oh, wait, that was one lip flapping...

Karen

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>
> I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all feel
> affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
> rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
> revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public mourning
> & celebration.

I've been thinking about that also.  I've had mixed feelings about it
all day.

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>
>This may be dumb, but have you been telling her she can go? From both
>you and Doug?
>
>Karen

Oh, definitely. For several days now, and her sister has told her that on
the phone as well.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> I believe it too.  Keith (my husband) had some very animated
> hallucinations during his last days. He was positive that he talked to
> his mother, who died the year before he did, two days before he died and
> she told him it was not his turn and he'd have to wait a while.
>
> He was not on morphine and did not have cancer; I figured that the
> visions resulted from the lack of oxygen to his brain as his heart was
> giving out.  We were quite entertained the evening he was installing
> something..he said they were widgets and they wouldn't cooperate.  He
> had both hands involved in the installation process and kept shaking his head.
>
> On the day before my sister died (cancer + morphine + metastasizing),
> she sat straight up and directed her band.  She also had a conversation
> with our dad who had died 10 years before she did.

All these memories only add to my maintaining how important it may be, both for
the one soon to leave here and her or his beloved ones, to be at home, not in a
hospital.

Kristin

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> I leave you with the sound of one hand clapping ......


>As the discussion began. Oh, wait, that was one lip flapping...

>Karen

Case in point! Thanks for your contribution!

Ciao,

AS

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:37:28 PM, Jeff wrote:
>>This may be dumb, but have you been telling her she can go? From both
>>you and Doug?
>>
>>Karen

> Oh, definitely. For several days now, and her sister has told her that on
> the phone as well.

Good. Then all you have to do is keep telling her and wait.:-/

I do think dying is very, very hard.

Karen

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

Jeff, I have no medical training, but based on what you have said, I
think you are doing exactly the right thing. You are allowing her to leave
on her own terms to the extent that that is still possible for her ...

Bethany

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Jeff wrote:

> Still, I found that writing a quick capsule of her life was a cathartic
> experience--organizing several odd memories I'd never put together before.
> It made me appreciate and admire her all the more. A more colorful,
> free-spirited and devoted woman you'd never meet.

It's a great story of a great woman!

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>>I wouldn't call hail a new-fangled development, however.
>>>
>>>
>>Why should anyone?
>>
>
>
>
>>       You tell me.
>>
>
> I leave you with the sound of one hand clapping ......


        As usual.




--
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > At first, Jeff, she simply called him the Ex-Tenant when talking about
> > him here.
>
> I thought he was the Tenant when she started on the list.

That may be true.

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:36:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>>
>> I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all feel
>> affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
>> rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
>> revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public mourning
>> & celebration.

> I've been thinking about that also.  I've had mixed feelings about it
> all day.

I don't. I think these are stories that needed to be told.

Karen

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> and she has declined). Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
> to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
> a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
> would help to ease my mind considerably
>
> Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.

You are absolutely right and Alyce is SO LUCKY you're with her and not
torturing her out of some basically selfish & cover-your-ass mentality.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

Ann

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steph wrote:

> Natalie,
>
> There is a virus in the mail.  Norton is doing exactly what it is supposed to
> do.

? I know.  I mentioned it only in response to something Karen said about
Norton quarantines and viruses yesterday(?).  I said I had had a bunch
of that happening lately with something called sobig or bigboss or
whatever -- that my Norton had been quarantining and deleting lots of it
in the past week or so.  When I saw another example of it this morning,
I posted the example simply to show that was what I had mentioned
yesterday.

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Jeff wrote:

> An update on Alyce and a question to those who have gone through this kind
> of thing before:
>
> Alyce had a pretty rough night. She couldn't sleep because of the
> congestion that she was too weak to cough up. She kept asking why she
> wasn't dead and said I needed to kill her.

Poor her. I'd rather take back my words in a recent message where I said that
people on the verge may be sort of happy -- because of their visions.

>  Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
> to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
> a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
> would help to ease my mind considerably
>
> Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.

There's been no experiences in my life like this. I cannot give any advice,
only say that you certainly shouldnt feel guilty. So sorry.

Kristin

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:52:51 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> ? I know.  I mentioned it only in response to something Karen said about
> Norton quarantines and viruses yesterday(?).

A trojan--IRC Trojan.

> I said I had had a bunch
> of that happening lately with something called sobig or bigboss or
> whatever -- that my Norton had been quarantining and deleting lots of it
> in the past week or so.  When I saw another example of it this morning,
> I posted the example simply to show that was what I had mentioned
> yesterday.

This is quite different from what I was talking about. That's very
superficial; what I'm talking about is very embedded.

Karen

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Jeff wrote:

>  Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
> to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
> a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
> would help to ease my mind considerably

You are absolutely doing the right thing.  It's understandable that you
would feel doubts or hints of guilt.  That kind of doubt/guilt is normal
human reaction in a position like yours, but it is not "real" -- that's
not the right word -- I can't think of the right word.  Anyway, fwiw, I
am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are doing the right
thing.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The pie's in the oven.
>
> It must be spring in the midwest.

Mmm! May I have a virtual bite of it? (I smell it already!)

Kristin

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At 03:02 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > The pie's in the oven.
> >
> > It must be spring in the midwest.
>
>Mmm! May I have a virtual bite of it? (I smell it already!)
>
>Kristin

I hope it's got strawberries mixed in the filling.

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At 01:26 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>The pie's in the oven.
>
>It must be spring in the midwest.
>
>            - D. M.

Add strawberries and I'm there.

Betty

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At 02:28 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>An update on Alyce and a question to those who have gone through this kind
>of thing before:
>
>Alyce had a pretty rough night. She couldn't sleep because of the
>congestion that she was too weak to cough up. She kept asking why she
>wasn't dead and said I needed to kill her. Finally, at about 6 a.m., she
>went to sleep and hasn't woken up yet.
>
>She may now be comatose, but I don't know, because I am being careful not
>to disturb her and possibly awaken her. She hasn't asked for food in more
>than two days and I haven't tried to feed her (I have asked her a few times
>and she has declined). Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
>to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
>a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
>would help to ease my mind considerably
>
>Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.


All you have to do is be there.

Betty

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At 09:39 PM 5/4/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>All these memories only add to my maintaining how important it may be,
>both for
>the one soon to leave here and her or his beloved ones, to be at home, not
>in a
>hospital.
>
>Kristin

Yes. I'm so glad Alyce is home.

Betty

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Jeff,

My f-i-l had a reluctance to eat for the last month of his life
(congestive heart failure). He was hospitalized for much of it, and the
nurses reported that he wouldn't eat; but I found that he would take a
bite, if I fed him, and that after a while he would take another. It was
important to us that he get stronger at that point, because he had a
strong desire to go home to die, and they wouldn't release him until he
was stable.

If Alyce continues to sleep, you will find that your question has answered
itself. Of course let her sleep - it is a comfort to her, and does her no
harm.

If she wakes, I would let Alyce decide what she wants, in terms
of food - if you can get a bit of ice cream or water, a spoonful of tea,
or some ice chips into her with consent, it may make her more comfortable;
but if she doesn't even want that, I would say that you must permit her to
choose, and should not feel guilty.

You are willing to give her what she wants, and one of the things she
wants is to make choices.

 I also think that is one of the things on her mind when she asks you to
kill her, that she would rather choose the moment of dying; but if she
were thinking clearly I think she would not put that burden on you. I
think that she is speaking partly from fear - waiting and not knowing;
hurting and fearing the end. That is a call I would not answer, because
the consequences to yourself are greater than she would wish for you.

clo

On Sun, 4 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> An update on Alyce and a question to those who have gone through this kind
> of thing before:
>
> Alyce had a pretty rough night. She couldn't sleep because of the
> congestion that she was too weak to cough up. She kept asking why she
> wasn't dead and said I needed to kill her. Finally, at about 6 a.m., she
> went to sleep and hasn't woken up yet.
>
> She may now be comatose, but I don't know, because I am being careful not
> to disturb her and possibly awaken her. She hasn't asked for food in more
> than two days and I haven't tried to feed her (I have asked her a few times
> and she has declined). Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
> to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
> a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
> would help to ease my mind considerably
>
> Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.
>

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>Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
>to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
>a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
>would help to ease my mind considerably

You are most decidedly doing the right thing, Jeff.  What you have to
remember is that all of this is Alyce's choice.  It is her life and her
death.  She has the absolute right to do it the way she wants to do
it.  You are not making these decisions.  You are honoring her
decisions.  That is the right thing to do.


    --bonniev

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Jeff,

Hang in there and keep up the good work.  You're doing just fine,
and just what Alyce needs.  And you can rest assured that she is
plenty relieved not to have to eat anything.  We've been
reminding her to eat for a while now, and she was just sick and
tired of having to remember to do it.

steph

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> I thought of you, Kristin, when I saw a book about Estonian knitting
> >> on the web. I don't know why it's special, though. Do you?
>
> > The patterns must be what can be called special. Relief knitting is not
> > traditional here -- if we speak of traditions more than a century ago, whereas
> > it is rather popular now.  But coloured patterns for mittens and stockings are
> > traditional. And knitted lace at some regions, I guess with Scandinavian
> > influence, for shawls.
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> LOL. I got a copy of the book from my Fiber Friend, and in looking
> through it, there's a description of Estonian knitting that is almost
> exactly what you said. It's kind of interesting--Latvian mittens are
> quite popular in the US--and Latvian socks. But I'd never heard of
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What I am interested in are the "functions" of different patterns. I.e. special
patterns for different rituals, or periods of life -- there are special patterns for
mourning-time, as I've heard, and I guess the patterns for a bride may be of their
own kind, too, or they may defend one from evil powers. There's no monograph
published on that subject, but recently I found in the web that an acquaintant of
mine working in the national museum has written a work on it. I must go and ask her
about it.

The books and magazines where different patterns have been given do not tell us
about these things. Yet it seems somehow important that one wouldn't wear mittens
with pattern for mourning on his/her wedding day (well, one *may* need mittens if
the wedding takes place in midwinter!), even if hardly anybody knows about it
nowadays.

Kristin

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 2:30:49 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> What I am interested in are the "functions" of different patterns. I.e. special
> patterns for different rituals, or periods of life -- there are special patterns for
> mourning-time, as I've heard, and I guess the patterns for a bride may be of their
> own kind, too, or they may defend one from evil powers. There's no monograph
> published on that subject, but recently I found in the web that an acquaintant of
> mine working in the national museum has written a work on it. I must go and ask her
> about it.

Interesting. I haven't done enough color work to be aware of such
things.

> The books and magazines where different patterns have been given do not tell us
> about these things. Yet it seems somehow important that one wouldn't wear mittens
> with pattern for mourning on his/her wedding day (well, one *may* need mittens if
> the wedding takes place in midwinter!), even if hardly anybody knows about it
> nowadays.

Yes! I agree that such a thing would be interesting.

Karen

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Jeff wrote:

> >Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > The pie's in the oven.
> > >
> > > It must be spring in the midwest.
> >
> >Mmm! May I have a virtual bite of it? (I smell it already!)
> >
> >Kristin
>
> I hope it's got strawberries mixed in the filling.

New fresh strawberries at that time of the year... I even do not dream
of them yet!

Yes, there are fresh strawberries on sale, brought from Spain, or I do
not know where. But as beautiful they may be, the do not look right.
Rhubarbs may soon grow here, although the weather has long been rather
cold this year.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
= > social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
= > that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
= > in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.
=
= I'm not sure about this.  I can see sociable people as being potentially
= damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
= degree of sociability is relevant.
=

I didn't say anything about social people, I only said something
about unsocial people.

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At 09:42 PM 5/4/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Natalie Maynor:
>= steph wrote:
>=
>= > Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
>= > social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
>= > that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
>= > in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.
>=
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>= damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
>= degree of sociability is relevant.
>=
>
>I didn't say anything about social people, I only said something
>about unsocial people.

Gotta watch how Natalie turns these things around. <g>

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> >The pie's in the oven.
>
>
> >It must be spring in the midwest.
>
>
> >           - D. M.
>
> Splendid! I well remember the great taste of your rhubarb creation
from
> J-Fest!
>
> AS

No, that was horrid.  You remember that rhubarb
didn't work for a crisp . . it all turned runny.
The rhubarb custard pie is a bright pretty color
and nice texture and tastes divine.

             - D. M.

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> Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:26:37 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > The pie's in the oven.
>
> > It must be spring in the midwest.
>
> Do you buy it or grow it? (It appears in stores here, but it's kind of
> expensive.)
>
> Karen

It grows on our farm.

        - D. M.

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>What's next -- killer bees?
>AS

Sacrifice your first born now and get it over with.  How is Master Carl doing?


    --bonniev

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 2:51:50 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> No, that was horrid.  You remember that rhubarb
> didn't work for a crisp . . it all turned runny.
> The rhubarb custard pie is a bright pretty color
> and nice texture and tastes divine.

Recipe?

Karen

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At 02:49 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, May 4, 2003, 2:51:50 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > No, that was horrid.  You remember that rhubarb
> > didn't work for a crisp . . it all turned runny.
> > The rhubarb custard pie is a bright pretty color
> > and nice texture and tastes divine.
>
>Recipe?

You want the recipe for the horrid stuff she served to Amy?

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Betty wrote:

> Gotta watch how Natalie turns these things around. <g>

Should I stay alert? :)

I have 609 msgs unread and was just thinking whether I might delete the
Survivor-thread with many messages unread in it when this message came. Well,
tomorrow is a day, too. I may decide on it then.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I have 609 msgs unread and was just thinking whether I might delete the
> Survivor-thread with many messages unread in it when this message came.

No, I may not. I just found that there is much to read.

Good night for today.

Kristin

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At 10:56 PM 5/4/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Gotta watch how Natalie turns these things around. <g>
>
>Should I stay alert? :)
>
>I have 609 msgs unread and was just thinking whether I might delete the
>Survivor-thread with many messages unread in it when this message came. Well,
>tomorrow is a day, too. I may decide on it then.

No, you don't want to delete that thread. Or at least, don't delete Jeff's
posts under it.


Betty

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 2:58:27 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 02:49 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Sunday, May 4, 2003, 2:51:50 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> > No, that was horrid.  You remember that rhubarb
>> > didn't work for a crisp . . it all turned runny.
>> > The rhubarb custard pie is a bright pretty color
>> > and nice texture and tastes divine.
>>
>>Recipe?

> You want the recipe for the horrid stuff she served to Amy?

No, for the 'tastes divine' stuff.

Karen

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> to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but
there is
> a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right
thing
> would help to ease my mind considerably
>
> Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.

This is exactly what I went through with my sister
last year.  (She died a year ago today).  The doctor and
the hospice nurses explained to us that when the body
functions are shutting down, food is repulsive to the
patient.  It is nature's way to keep you from feeding the
flames when the fire is wanting to go out (I just made that
up because I can't remember their example).  They said
the kindest thing we could do was to not push food.

Actually, my sister must have lived for 2 weeks or more
after she quit eating entirely.  She even reached a point
where she took no water.  I know it takes patience, for
Alyce and for you, but it seems the body and soul cannot
separate until a certain point is reached, and no one knows
when that is.

My sister was put on a morphine pump finally, and then
had an allergic reaction to that high dosage, so that we had
to take her from her home so she could have medical
treatment and death in the hospice hospital.  She didn't
want to go.  She was an interpreter for the deaf, and her
last words to us as she was wheeled out of her bedroom
were "No . . wait . ." in sign language.

The doctor told us later that he thinks she
never left her home, but that her soul left her body
as the medics were wheeling her toward the ambulance.
He was a young brilliant radiologist who specialized
in helping people through their last stages,
and I was so surprised to hear him say that, but
then he has had a lot of experience with death.

                   - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> There may be other reasons for other people, eastern Europeans or not, but at
> school in our English lessons it was, and is, a typical pronunciation mistake.
> It cannot be exactly a direct influence of the Estonian language, for we have
> not /w/-sound. Yet the lack of it probably is the reason for that mistake.
> When a pupil says "very well", he is in trouble anyway. So, as he eagerly
> tries to say w-sound, he would pronounce it at the beginning of "very"
> already.

Good point.  I was trying to think of direct influences, but this
indirect idea sounds likely.  And it would fit with Italian.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > One of my grandmothers, just before she left, saw her husband,
> > who had been gone for 30 years.  She just lit up, raised her arms
> > and said "Oh, Andrew you've come for me."  It was striking
> > because she was a quiet, modest person with no sense of drama.
>
> So it may be that people may be happy, in their own special way, for
staying
> on the verge for some time, and recognizing there staying there.
Perhaps?
>
> Kristin

I've often wondered if it is a little like my experience
when I enter the ocean . . . the toe, then to the ankle,
and slowly a few steps at a time, to the knee, etc, etc.
Shortly after the crotch I give myself up to the water.
BTW references to the world of spirit are often
synonomous with water.  "We come from water . .
we will return to water . ."

               - D. M.

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steph wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor:
> = steph wrote:
> =
> = > Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
> = > social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
> = > that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
> = > in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.
> =
> = I'm not sure about this.  I can see sociable people as being potentially
> = damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
> = degree of sociability is relevant.
> =
>
> I didn't say anything about social people, I only said something
> about unsocial people.

Ah so.  I had foolishly assumed that sociable and unsociable were ends
of the same continuum -- that both had to do with degree of sociability.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Splendid! I well remember the great taste of your rhubarb creation
> from
> > J-Fest!
>
> No, that was horrid.  You remember that rhubarb
> didn't work for a crisp . . it all turned runny.

I thought it was wonderful.  (But it's the only rhubarb I've ever
tasted, afaicr.)

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On Sunday, May 04, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> steph wrote:
>>
>> Natalie Maynor:
>> = steph wrote:
>> =
>> = > Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
>> = > social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
>> = > that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
>> = > in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.
>> =
>> = I'm not sure about this.  I can see sociable people as being potentially
>> = damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
>> = degree of sociability is relevant.
>> =
>>
>> I didn't say anything about social people, I only said something
>> about unsocial people.

> Ah so.  I had foolishly assumed that sociable and unsociable were ends
> of the same continuum -- that both had to do with degree of sociability.

I think your error was in assuming an inverse relationship between the
two ends of the continuum. Steph's comment was about one end only and
didn't imply anything else.

Karen

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Betty wrote:
> >= > Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
> >= > social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
> >= > that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
> >= > in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.
> >=
> >= I'm not sure about this.  I can see sociable people as being potentially
> >= damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
> >= degree of sociability is relevant.
> >=
> >
> >I didn't say anything about social people, I only said something
> >about unsocial people.
>
> Gotta watch how Natalie turns these things around. <g>

I started not to reply to Steph re the sociability thing since I wasn't
sure what I thought (as I said in that answer -- "I'm not sure" and "I'm
not convinced").  Wish now that I hadn't.  You never know what's going
to set some people off.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 10:56 PM 5/4/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Gotta watch how Natalie turns these things around. <g>
> >
> >Should I stay alert? :)
> >
> >I have 609 msgs unread and was just thinking whether I might delete the
> >Survivor-thread with many messages unread in it when this message came. Well,
> >tomorrow is a day, too. I may decide on it then.
>
> No, you don't want to delete that thread. Or at least, don't delete Jeff's
> posts under it.
>

It's a message from Alyce:
only deletable things should go under the heading "Survivor!"
clo

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Natalie Maynor:
= Betty wrote:
= > >= > Too, I think this has to do with how social you are.  The less
= > >= > social you are, the fewer things that you just do in your life
= > >= > that pay back society, because, well, you don't participate much
= > >= > in society.  I think I pretty much fall into this category.
= > >=
= > >= I'm not sure about this.  I can see sociable people as being potentially
= > >= damaging as well as potentially helpful.  Iow, I'm not convinced that
= > >= degree of sociability is relevant.
= > >=
= > >
= > >I didn't say anything about social people, I only said something
= > >about unsocial people.
= >
= > Gotta watch how Natalie turns these things around. <g>
=
= I started not to reply to Steph re the sociability thing since I wasn't
= sure what I thought (as I said in that answer -- "I'm not sure" and "I'm
= not convinced").  Wish now that I hadn't.  You never know what's going
= to set some people off.
=

I'm not set off.

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>
> This is exactly what I went through with my sister
> last year.  (She died a year ago today).  The doctor and
> the hospice nurses explained to us that when the body
> functions are shutting down, food is repulsive to the
> patient.  It is nature's way to keep you from feeding the
> flames when the fire is wanting to go out (I just made that
> up because I can't remember their example).  They said
> the kindest thing we could do was to not push food.
>
> Actually, my sister must have lived for 2 weeks or more
> after she quit eating entirely.  She even reached a point
> where she took no water.  I know it takes patience, for
> Alyce and for you, but it seems the body and soul cannot
> separate until a certain point is reached, and no one knows
> when that is.
>
> My sister was put on a morphine pump finally, and then
> had an allergic reaction to that high dosage, so that we had
> to take her from her home so she could have medical
> treatment and death in the hospice hospital.  She didn't
> want to go.  She was an interpreter for the deaf, and her
> last words to us as she was wheeled out of her bedroom
> were "No . . wait . ." in sign language.
>
> The doctor told us later that he thinks she
> never left her home, but that her soul left her body
> as the medics were wheeling her toward the ambulance.
> He was a young brilliant radiologist who specialized
> in helping people through their last stages,
> and I was so surprised to hear him say that, but
> then he has had a lot of experience with death.
>
>                    - D. M.

Doris,
Thanks for telling that story today. I am sure you are especially missing
her right now.

I think that this is a really important point... choices are really
important at the end, and one of the biggest is the desire to be in
familiar places with loved ones.

My father in law was senile in his last year - when V and I married, he
was 82, and he always thought that I was the cleaning lady and tried to
pay me and send me home after supper, in spite of being V's best man, and
having a picture of the wedding on the table beside him. V would point it
out, and he would solemnly check the faces and congratulate him with a
handshake, then 5 minutes later reach for his wallet again.

But when he got out of the hospital and was in the ambulance, he hit the
town line and turned to Vance and said "home", and his face lit with
smiles. He was less confused at the end, and even knew who I was.

We had a home health aide that day who was on her first day on the job -
it was very rough on her, but I don't know how I would have made it
through the last hours on my own; I had to make the choice not to call the
ambulance, since they are obligated to resuscitate and he was DNR, and
talking to her about it helped me get the courage to hold fast for what he
wanted.

clo

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>
>BTW references to the world of spirit are often
>synonomous with water.  "We come from water . .
>we will return to water . ."
>
>                - D. M.


Interesting you should mention that. As you know, Alyce is not religious at
all, so her sister (who is) was doing a little impromptu evangelizing to
her on the phone yesterday. When Alyce was telling her how thirsty she was
and how nothing would quench the thirst, her sister came up with a Biblical
passage about Jesus being the water of life and that accepting him would be
the way to quench that thirst. Amazingly, she actually got Alyce to say "I
love Jesus," which is something I never would have believed coming from her
lips. Her sister said she was trying to give her the strength necessary to
cross over--as in all she had to do was surrender to Jesus and then she
could die. Now, she's questioning whether it was the right thing to do,
because if Jesus hasn't let her die yet, maybe she won't trust in him after
all.

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> Jeff,
>
> Hang in there and keep up the good work.  You're doing just fine,
> and just what Alyce needs.  And you can rest assured that she is
> plenty relieved not to have to eat anything.  We've been
> reminding her to eat for a while now, and she was just sick and
> tired of having to remember to do it.
>
> steph

I think all that time her body was telling her not to
feed it.  A doctor told me recently "you know,
cancer does not develop overnight . . it takes about
7 years to grow a cancerous growth  from the beginning."
                       - D. M.

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At 11:51 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>This is not bothering me.  When we told Alyce she'd
>had an interesting life, I often felt she was hinting "if you
>only knew . .".  Now I have an idea she's smiling and
>saying "and now you know the rest of the story."
>She had not felt the need to tell us all the details of her
>life but I don't think it was so much a privacy matter as
>it was that she was reluctant to seem to be drawing
>attention to herself.
>
>Anyway, I think it is a good regrouping for Jeff,
>and does no harm.

I agree completely.  Jeff--write what you [need to/feel good about]
writing.  Some of us will celebrate her life along with you.

cwv

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Point for Alec! Because of a court testimony date, I have decided not to
go to Sydney. I might have juggled the trip if the flight dates available
were not incredibly inconvenient. Also, the trip would be very expensive.
I decided the payoff did not justify the time/expense/inconvenience. I
will put my presentation on the web, probably in PowerPoint.

Bethany

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What is a field goal in a basketball game?

Karen

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At 05:29 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>What is a field goal in a basketball game?
>
>Karen

A basket!

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 4:30:55 PM, Jeff wrote:
> At 05:29 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>>What is a field goal in a basketball game?
>>
>>Karen

> A basket!

Have they always referred to these as field goals? I just turned on
the TV and an announcer was saying something about 'the last field
goal in this game'.

Karen

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two points

At 04:29 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>What is a field goal in a basketball game?
>
>Karen

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Unless it's a three-point field goal.

>two points
>
>At 04:29 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>What is a field goal in a basketball game?
>>
>>Karen

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Yes.  A basket?

At 05:47 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>Unless it's a three-point field goal.
>
>>two points
>>
>>At 04:29 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>What is a field goal in a basketball game?
>>>
>>>Karen

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At 04:32 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>Have they always referred to these as field goals? I just turned on
>the TV and an announcer was saying something about 'the last field
>goal in this game'.

They sometimes (not always) use this term to differentiate between a 2- or
3-point basket shot from the floor vs. one or more free throws.

J. Naismith

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Jeff wrote:

> Interesting you should mention that. As you know, Alyce is not religious at
> all, so her sister (who is) was doing a little impromptu evangelizing to
> her on the phone yesterday. When Alyce was telling her how thirsty she was
> and how nothing would quench the thirst, her sister came up with a Biblical
> passage about Jesus being the water of life and that accepting him would be
> the way to quench that thirst. Amazingly, she actually got Alyce to say "I
> love Jesus," which is something I never would have believed coming from her
> lips. Her sister said she was trying to give her the strength necessary to
> cross over--as in all she had to do was surrender to Jesus and then she
> could die. Now, she's questioning whether it was the right thing to do,
> because if Jesus hasn't let her die yet, maybe she won't trust in him after
> all.

How alert was Alyce during that phone conversation?  Do you think maybe
she said that just to get her sister off her case?

I guess if you really do believe that being into a particular religion
is the "path to heaven," then it is understandable that you would want
to convince your sister to take that route.  That's the only thing that
keeps me from being outraged at the thought of trying to shove your own
religion down somebody else's throat.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> the TV and an announcer was saying something about 'the last field
> goal in this game'.

I thought basketball season was over.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I like your May 3 additions.

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On Sunday, May 04, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> the TV and an announcer was saying something about 'the last field
>> goal in this game'.

> I thought basketball season was over.

Maybe it was a rerun?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I thought basketball season was over.
>
> Maybe it was a rerun?

I dunno.  I always hear about games of one kind or another being played
after I thought the season for that sport was over.

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In a message dated 05/04/2003 5:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I thought basketball season was over.

>>

It seems basketball season is never over.

Evelyn Duncan
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It being a nice day, following a series of rather dismal days, we decided
to take a walk.  A couple of years ago, Bonnie had, with the assistance of
Debbie, the owner of the yarn shop who knows damned near everything about
this island, rediscovered an abandoned stair-trail which climbed most of
the way up Dorr Mountain.  Subsequently, the keepers and developers of
trails on the island decided to reopen this trail, which had been abandoned
following the Great Fire of 1947.  It seemed like a good day to try it.

Note:  Stair trails were developed before and during the formative years of
the national park.  Built on rather steep slopes, they consist largely of
stair-steps fashioned from granite blocks, carefully placed.  The usual
stair-trail will consist of a fairly rapid rise on the granite steps,
followed by a switchback or short, rather flat stretch, then another rise,
and so forth.  Because of where they were built (of necessity), the views
are often magnificent.  The trails themselves are impressive; one sometimes
passes between vertical rock walls and then emerges to sweeping vistas of
the countryside.

So, away we went.  The route to the stair-trail is across part of Great
Meadow on part of the Jessup Path.  For those of you at Snowbash this year,
the photos of early spring, with the red-flowering maples and the
almost-fluorescent green of the newly-leafing aspens, were taken from this
path.  Things were pretty much like that today as well, although the aspens
need a couple more days to really be showy.  After the path through the
meadow, we walked along the old road through a stand of hemlocks until we
reached the start of the stair-trail, known as the Homan (or Holman)
path.  Stair trails offer two challenges.  The first is the aerobic
challenge as one ascends the steps; the second is the challenge to the
quadriceps as one descends.  The ascent was fairly rapid and relatively
painless; there were ample opportunities to stop, catch one's breath, and
enjoy the views.  All of Great Meadow unfolded below us.  In the distance
was Frenchmans Bay and the Procupine Islands.  As we reached the top, all
of the Porcupine Islands were arrayed before us; in the distance, we could
see Winter Harbor and most of the Schoodic Peninsula. We were even, or
above, the tops of several vary large, very old white pines.   Once at the
top of the trail, but still below the summit of Dorr Mountain, we went
along the slope and connected with a stair trail back down.  I would rather
climb than descend stair trails---I am at an age (and no, Karen, I don't
want to hear about Pilates!) where my loss of flexibility really begins to
show as I move down from large step to large step.  Nonetheless, the entire
trip was enjoyable.

Oh yes, we did see the first evidence of blackflies.  No bites, but it
won't be long now before they are out in force.

cwv

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> At 05:29 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
> >What is a field goal in a basketball game?
> >
> >Karen
>
> A basket!
>

A field goal as contrasted with a foul shot.
clo

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Did I mention that the husband of the hostess of yesterday's brunch
returned from China Friday night?  He had been planning on staying there
for another week but decided to come back early.  He had spent a month
hanging out in the Beijing vicinity -- lots of rural areas around
there.  Hope he didn't help her fix the food.  We didn't ask that
<delicate question>.

The hostess told a funny story about some idiot she works with who said
to her while he was gone, "Aren't you scared he might get AIDS?"  She
said she was a bit outraged until a coworker whispered to her, "I think
he means SARS."

They're the interesting young couple who spent a year and a half roaming
around the globe, with the intention of continuing to roam for another
year or so when 9/11 happened and their parents insisted that they come
home.  I think I might have mentioned them before.  They're also the
couple who got married last year in the yard across the street from me.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> A field goal as contrasted with a foul shot.

Well, there are foul shots and foul shots.  I've seen some pretty foul
shots as attempted field goals.  But I have a feeling you mean free
throws. :-)

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>
>How alert was Alyce during that phone conversation?  Do you think maybe
>she said that just to get her sister off her case?
>
>I guess if you really do believe that being into a particular religion
>is the "path to heaven," then it is understandable that you would want
>to convince your sister to take that route.  That's the only thing that
>keeps me from being outraged at the thought of trying to shove your own
>religion down somebody else's throat.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


You know, she was pretty desperate at that moment to die, and I think she
grasped onto the idea as maybe that would really be the ticket. I think it
was sincere at the time, but whether she still believes it I'm not sure. I
was listening on the other extension and was somewhat aghast at her
sister's evangelistic tone at first, but it turned out to be a very
powerful moment, given the rather dramatic circumstances, and it really
didn't bother me. I was just hoping she could die at that moment and I
could watch her face light up in ecstasy. It turned out to be kind of a
downer, though.

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Jeff wrote:

> was listening on the other extension and was somewhat aghast at her
> sister's evangelistic tone at first, but it turned out to be a very
> powerful moment, given the rather dramatic circumstances, and it really
> didn't bother me. I was just hoping she could die at that moment and I
> could watch her face light up in ecstasy. It turned out to be kind of a
> downer, though.

I can understand that -- all of it -- from the aghast to the hope to the
downer.  I'm somehow reminded of "The Jilting of Granny Weatherall,"
though it's far from parallel.

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Jeff, I imagine it is going to be another very long night for you.  Allow
us to keep you company here.   Tell us some of the stories of nature and
nurture that you discovered after being reunited with Alyce.   Clyde lost
contact with his twin daughters for almost 30 years because of
divorce.  When we met Lisa I was stunned at how they had identical walks.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> us to keep you company here.   Tell us some of the stories of nature and
> nurture that you discovered after being reunited with Alyce.

Yes.  I already see some things that you and Doug have in common with
Alyce:  Victorian houses, dogs, intelligence, sensitivity, etc.  Tell us
about some of the odd little things.

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>Nonetheless, the entire trip was enjoyable.
>

Nice day - sounds like a good time.

I finished the round of phone calls to Jim's friends this morning, letting
them know that the news is not good, and couldn't focus on
work, so took the senior thesis I am doing the final read on out into the
sunny yard with the full intention of taking a nap under its covers.
Couldn't really relax into it, so I ended up coming back in and making
enough lasagna for 30 people, then inviting my parents over.

I know I don't cook much any more; but that may be a good thing - this
lasagna was definitely not my best.

The folks just left, so now I have to go in
to the office for the full day's work I avoided. Luckily V is at camp, so
won't be aggravated when I saunter back in at home at 4 am after having
napped in the office, then waking up to finish the database project, the
flyers, the programs for Thesis Presentation Day and convocation, and
editing the second thesis.

Hope Starbucks has their espresso machine running well tonight!
clo

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bonniev:

>I  knew that.  I could tell it wasn't one of your snotty remarks.

<Phew> You really scared me at SB.

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>bonniev:
>>I  knew that.  I could tell it wasn't one of your snotty remarks.
>
><Phew> You really scared me at SB.
>-rashmi

I know.  And now I just have to rattle the chain and you get scared again!  ;-)


    --bonniev

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AnnB:

> > This thread's made me feel totally mutant. I just can't wrap my brain
>around
> > the whole comparison idea. Natalie and you seem utterly alien to me.
> > (Notthat
> > there'sanythingwrongwiththat.)
>
>Count me in with Natalie and Bonniev (with the accent on imagination not
>comparison of other lives)

You too?! One of my peeves is over-use of the word weird but in
this case I have no qualms about using it.

>Maybe it's a NON-ENGINEER thing.

Nah, it's a sixties thing.

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NBA playoffs are going on as we speak. That must be what Karen caught
in passing. I don't know which teams are still in it etc.




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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:31:37 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> NBA playoffs are going on as we speak. That must be what Karen caught
> in passing. I don't know which teams are still in it etc.

I think you're right. This game was between Portland and Dallas; don't
know who won.

Now I'm watching Lucy.

Karen

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AS:
>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to need to
> > be thanked.
>
>And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.

Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:21:22 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> AnnB:
>> > This thread's made me feel totally mutant. I just can't wrap my brain
>>around
>> > the whole comparison idea. Natalie and you seem utterly alien to me.
>> > (Notthat
>> > there'sanythingwrongwiththat.)
>>
>>Count me in with Natalie and Bonniev (with the accent on imagination not
>>comparison of other lives)

> You too?! One of my peeves is over-use of the word weird but in
> this case I have no qualms about using it.

>>Maybe it's a NON-ENGINEER thing.

> Nah, it's a sixties thing.

Does this mean I'm posting young?

Karen

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>Point for Alec! Because of a court testimony date, I have decided not to
>go to Sydney.

SCORE!


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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:34:44 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
> part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
> Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.

"Christianity" is not one religion.

Karen

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I want you to know how much we have appreciated your talking with us during
this difficult time. I hope that you will remain on the list and one day
join us at one of our "Fests".  I feel as if you are already a
"Wordsler".   Your mother would be proud.

Betty

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I hate to thing we are going to lose you after you go back home.  You've
become a part of Words-L.  I realize that your life right now is very
different from what it will be when you return home and that you will
not have much time for Words-L then, certainly not during the catch-up
time that one always faces after being gone, even in less complicated
circumstances.  But not all Wordslers are online as much as some of us
are.  People come and go, setting nomail when they don't want to get
list mail at all or getting it in digest form (which doesn't really mean
digests -- it just means lumped together in fewer postings) or
whatever.  I hope you will stay with us on at least a limited basis.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:
>
> I want you to know how much we have appreciated your talking with us during
> this difficult time. I hope that you will remain on the list and one day
> join us at one of our "Fests".  I feel as if you are already a
> "Wordsler".   Your mother would be proud.

Clone.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:34 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:31:37 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > NBA playoffs are going on as we speak. That must be what Karen caught
> > in passing. I don't know which teams are still in it etc.
>
>I think you're right. This game was between Portland and Dallas; don't
>know who won.

Dallas won.  Next they play the Sacramento Kings.  (Shaq calls them the Queens)

Betty

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At 07:35 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Does this mean I'm posting young?
>
>Karen

You are young, Karen.

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>>Does this mean I'm posting young?
>>Karen
>
>You are young, Karen.

Certainly younger than Natalie and me.


    --bonniev

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At 07:42 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > I want you to know how much we have appreciated your talking with us during
> > this difficult time. I hope that you will remain on the list and one day
> > join us at one of our "Fests".  I feel as if you are already a
> > "Wordsler".   Your mother would be proud.
>
>Clone.

:-)

I wore my Fine Red Hat to church today and stayed for the photos because of
it.  It was a ten year celebration of two Lutheran churches becoming
one.  An old special friend commented on my hat and wanted one.  I just
smiled and thought about Alyce a lot.

Betty

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For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
else feeling them?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

>   An old special friend commented on my hat and wanted one.  I just
> smiled and thought about Alyce a lot.

The birthday event was just a week ago today, wasn't it?  In some ways
it seems longer ago.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
>gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
>else feeling them?     -- Natalie

Yes, I am.   But perhaps it is only because I've been praying and asked two
ex-nun friends to pray with me that the good Lord hurry things along a
bit.  Perhaps He listens to us former Brides of Christ.  I hope so.


    --bonniev

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> AS:
>
>> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>>
>> > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
>> > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to
>> need to
>> > be thanked.
>>
>> And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.
>
>
> Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
> part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
> Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.


        Well, if one doesn't have any specific knowledge of another
religion, it would be wrong to attribute anything to it.  I
think this tenet is true for most types of Christianity,
Judaism, and Islam, but I really couldn't comment on any
other world religion.  There's nothing that seems inherently
universal about it to me.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I found a bunch of pictures of Ken and his wife on his webpage:

http://www.kenartist.com/suken.htm

There's also a list of movies he's been in:

http://www.kenartist.com/producti.htm

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 7:47:30 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>>Does this mean I'm posting young?
>>>Karen
>>
>>You are young, Karen.

> Certainly younger than Natalie and me.

Yes--but I thought Rashmi was more years younger than you guys are
older. Maybe not.

Karen,
Spring chicken

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Our Thanksgiving friends, the Wissings, were presented with their first
grandchild today -- a baby boy weighing in at 8 pounds and 4
ounces.   Mother and son doing well.

We had a message on the machine when we came home from our hike.  Haven't
heard a name yet.  I'd like to knit his name on the Christmas stocking I
have made for him and mail that along with his blocks that spell out "Notre
Dame Class of 2025".

It does feel like the next generation has been born.  Clyde and Tom Wissing
were buddies in graduate school at the University of Wisconsin.  Tom and
Holly and Clyde and I have been friends for over 30 years.  Katie is their
only child.  The first time we left Maine after moving here, it was to
drive to Ohio for her wedding.  We truly watched Katie grow up.  And now
she is a mother.

Birth and death.  The seasons turn.


    --bonniev

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Anything will do.  Just somebody say something.  Can't explain exactly
why I want somebody to say something.  Sort of can, but it's too
complicated to go into right now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> why I want somebody to say something.  Sort of can, but it's too
> complicated to go into right now.

HIYA Natalie, stay cool.

I gotta go.

Ann

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Jeff wrote:

> Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.

You are doing the right thing and so is Alyce. You're both letting
nature take its course.

 The resemblance of her end stage to Keith's unsettles me. I hope that
letting you know there are similarities will give you some peace.

You are doing a remarkably fine job of caring for Alyce.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> HIYA Natalie, stay cool.

Thank you, AnnBork!

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I'm tentatively planning to stay on, so no fear. My life may be crazy when
I get back after a month away, but I could probably use the diversion. Thanks!

At 08:40 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>I hate to thing we are going to lose you after you go back home.  You've
>become a part of Words-L.  I realize that your life right now is very
>different from what it will be when you return home and that you will
>not have much time for Words-L then, certainly not during the catch-up
>time that one always faces after being gone, even in less complicated
>circumstances.  But not all Wordslers are online as much as some of us
>are.  People come and go, setting nomail when they don't want to get
>list mail at all or getting it in digest form (which doesn't really mean
>digests -- it just means lumped together in fewer postings) or
>whatever.  I hope you will stay with us on at least a limited basis.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> AS:
> >clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> > > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to need to
> > > be thanked.
> >
> >And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.
>
> Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
> part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
> Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.

Well, I certainly wasn't claiming any special goodness for one set of
beliefs over another; but if it bothers you I won't talk about it at all
any more. Sorry.

clo

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Jeff wrote:
>
> I'm tentatively planning to stay on, so no fear. My life may be crazy when
> I get back after a month away, but I could probably use the diversion. Thanks!

EXCELLENT!!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, bonniev wrote:

> Our Thanksgiving friends, the Wissings, were presented with their first
> grandchild today -- a baby boy weighing in at 8 pounds and 4
> ounces.   Mother and son doing well.

Bonnie, congrats to your friends!
clo

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Anything will do.  Just somebody say something.  Can't explain exactly
> why I want somebody to say something.  Sort of can, but it's too
> complicated to go into right now.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

I'm here.
clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I'm here.

Thanks!  And now I'm about to log off and go to bed.  I wish Spencer
would sleep with me.  Bernardykins was such a wonderful bed partner, but
Spencer spurns me.  He sometimes does come into the bedroom in the
middle of the night and sleeps for a while on his doggy-bed, but he
never joins me in bed.  And much of the time he chooses to sleep in his
chair in another room.  I feel <spurned>.  I comfort myself by thinking
that surely this spurning must have something to do with his sad past --
the abandoners, neglecters, perhaps abusers (though I don't think he was
horribly abused -- he's too well-adjusted for that to have been the
case).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thank YOU.

Betty

At 10:10 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>I'm tentatively planning to stay on, so no fear. My life may be crazy when
>I get back after a month away, but I could probably use the diversion. Thanks!
>
>At 08:40 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>>I hate to thing we are going to lose you after you go back home.  You've
>>become a part of Words-L.  I realize that your life right now is very
>>different from what it will be when you return home and that you will
>>not have much time for Words-L then, certainly not during the catch-up
>>time that one always faces after being gone, even in less complicated
>>circumstances.  But not all Wordslers are online as much as some of us
>>are.  People come and go, setting nomail when they don't want to get
>>list mail at all or getting it in digest form (which doesn't really mean
>>digests -- it just means lumped together in fewer postings) or
>>whatever.  I hope you will stay with us on at least a limited basis.
>>--
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:05 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > AS:
> > >clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> > > > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to
> need to
> > > > be thanked.
> > >
> > >And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.
> >
> > Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
> > part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
> > Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.
>
>Well, I certainly wasn't claiming any special goodness for one set of
>beliefs over another; but if it bothers you I won't talk about it at all
>any more. Sorry.

<slap>

Clo, you take things too personally.  I'm sorry that you are going through
a rough time, too.

Betty

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At 10:08 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Sun, 4 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Anything will do.  Just somebody say something.  Can't explain exactly
> > why I want somebody to say something.  Sort of can, but it's too
> > complicated to go into right now.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
> >
>
>I'm here.

I'll be back.  Have to run to my in-laws.

Betty

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 9:25:15 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I comfort myself by thinking that surely this spurning must have
> something to do with his sad past -- the abandoners, neglecters,
> perhaps abusers (though I don't think he was horribly abused -- he's
> too well-adjusted for that to have been the case).

I know exactly how my cat was treated, because she was right next
door. And all I can say is that some animals are more resilient than
others. I have a feeling that my neighbors never knew what a lap cat
she was.

Karen

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Sunday, May 4, 2003, 9:32:54 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 10:05 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>>On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>
>> > AS:
>> > >clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
>> > > > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to
>> need to
>> > > > be thanked.
>> > >
>> > >And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.
>> >
>> > Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
>> > part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
>> > Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.
>>
>>Well, I certainly wasn't claiming any special goodness for one set of
>>beliefs over another; but if it bothers you I won't talk about it at all
>>any more. Sorry.

> <slap>

> Clo, you take things too personally.

I thought it was a very strange criticism, given the composition of
this list.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > I'm here.
>
> Thanks!  And now I'm about to log off and go to bed.  I wish Spencer
> would sleep with me.  Bernardykins was such a wonderful bed partner, but
> Spencer spurns me.  He sometimes does come into the bedroom in the
> middle of the night and sleeps for a while on his doggy-bed, but he
> never joins me in bed.  And much of the time he chooses to sleep in his
> chair in another room.  I feel <spurned>.  I comfort myself by thinking
> that surely this spurning must have something to do with his sad past --
> the abandoners, neglecters, perhaps abusers (though I don't think he was
> horribly abused -- he's too well-adjusted for that to have been the
> case).
>

It may have more to do with whether he was taken from the litter early
- he may have been forced to learn to sleep alone. Or, he may have
been trained never to get on the bed. V has managed to
take every dog he's ever had and teach it to cuddle; so don't give
up hope. He may come around.

I expect to be up most of the night; so if you want to touch base
again, I will probably respond.

clo

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In a message dated 05/04/2003 9:25:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I wish Spencer
would sleep with me.
>>

I know how you feel; Sweetie never wants to sleep with me
as she does with Mom.  The only thing she hops on my bed
to do is to look out the window.

BTW, I'm not receiving the messages from Jeff, but I am
getting the replies to his messages.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 10:05 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >
> > > AS:
> > > >clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> > > > > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to
> > need to
> > > > > be thanked.
> > > >
> > > >And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.
> > >
> > > Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
> > > part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
> > > Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.
> >
> >Well, I certainly wasn't claiming any special goodness for one set of
> >beliefs over another; but if it bothers you I won't talk about it at all
> >any more. Sorry.
>
> <slap>
>
> Clo, you take things too personally.  I'm sorry that you are going through
> a rough time, too.
>
> Betty

Well, I don't disagree; I think I do take some things too
personally. This wasn't one, though. Did it sound like it?
I don't know how to talk about the point I was making - which was
a story about my upbringing - in a way that doesn't go over this
line for Rashmi. I was trying to indicate respect for her point
of view, without being argumentative.

clo

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At 10:36 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > At 10:05 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > >On Mon, 5 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > >
> > > > AS:
> > > > >clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's a Christian tenet that good deeds aren't so good if done for
> > > > > > acclamation, and that the <right> spirit is humble enough not to
> > > need to
> > > > > > be thanked.
> > > > >
> > > > >And, of course, such a tenet is not limited to Christianity.
> > > >
> > > > Amy beat me to it. I suspect this is a pretty universal tenet (the
> > > > part about not doing good deeds just for the acclamation).
> > > > Ascribing universal qualities to one religion is not cool, imo.
> > >
> > >Well, I certainly wasn't claiming any special goodness for one set of
> > >beliefs over another; but if it bothers you I won't talk about it at all
> > >any more. Sorry.
> >
> > <slap>
> >
> > Clo, you take things too personally.  I'm sorry that you are going through
> > a rough time, too.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Well, I don't disagree; I think I do take some things too
>personally. This wasn't one, though. Did it sound like it?
>I don't know how to talk about the point I was making - which was
>a story about my upbringing - in a way that doesn't go over this
>line for Rashmi. I was trying to indicate respect for her point
>of view, without being argumentative.

Rashmi is mean. It's hard to make a point around here. Everyone thinks they
know what you mean when they don't.

Betty

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to say good night, Natalie.

Clo, I hope the night goes well!

Ann

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clo:

>Well, I don't disagree; I think I do take some things too
>personally. This wasn't one, though. Did it sound like it?
>I don't know how to talk about the point I was making - which was
>a story about my upbringing - in a way that doesn't go over this
>line for Rashmi. I was trying to indicate respect for her point
>of view, without being argumentative.

You don't have to worry about that - I've been on this service
for many years, have a thick skin and know how to use the delete
button. Feel free to post any stories you like!

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At 08:35 PM 5/4/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>to say good night, Natalie.
>
>Clo, I hope the night goes well!

Good night from the west coast.

Rashmi, I don't  really believe you are mean. I like the way you see
through many things.

Betty

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> I want you to know how much we have appreciated your talking with us
during
> this difficult time. I hope that you will remain on the list and one
day
> join us at one of our "Fests".  I feel as if you are already a
> "Wordsler".   Your mother would be proud.
>
> Betty

Yes to all the above.

    - D. M.

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Kristin:

>There's been no experiences in my life like this. I cannot give any advice,
>only say that you certainly shouldnt feel guilty. So sorry.

This is a new (and eye-opening) experience for me too and I have no
advice to offer. Jeff, thanks for posting to the list and being with us
during
this time. Alyce and you are in my thoughts.

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Karen:

> > Clo, you take things too personally.

>I thought it was a very strange criticism, given the composition of
>this list.

I'm going to let it go for now - I had a point there which I'll explain
another time maybe. It's late and I'm not in the mood for it now.
But I want to encourage Clo to post what she wants, not hold
back on my (or anyone's) account. (Gosh, that feels strange,
I've never had to post anything like that before.)

-rashmi

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Betty:

>Good night from the west coast.

'night.

>Rashmi, I don't  really believe you are mean. I like the way you see
>through many things.

'sokay. I can deal with it. I think you're overdoing the "it's hard to
make a point here" bit. It's been this way for ages.

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> to say good night, Natalie.
>
> Clo, I hope the night goes well!
>
> Ann
>

Thanks, it's going as predicted; I actually am fine with allnighters at
intervals, because they give me time by myself. This ain't nothin'.

clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Sun, 4 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
=
= > to say good night, Natalie.
= >
= > Clo, I hope the night goes well!
= >
= > Ann
= >
=
= Thanks, it's going as predicted; I actually am fine with allnighters at
= intervals, because they give me time by myself. This ain't nothin'.
=
= clo

Well then, good morning from the east.

Murphy has been having a tough week, poor cat, and yesterday he
ate things from the garden.  This helped with the hairball, so we
were cleaning up kitty vomit yesterday.  It also left him with a
cat turd hanging out of his ass that wouldn't separate, so we had
to chase him around the kitchen with a paper towel.

I had Weds, Thu, Fri off from work last week, and here it is
Monday morning and I don't really want to go.  Bah.

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>
> >Sunday, May 4, 2003, 2:51:50 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > > No, that was horrid.  You remember that rhubarb
> > > didn't work for a crisp . . it all turned runny.
> > > The rhubarb custard pie is a bright pretty color
> > > and nice texture and tastes divine.

    Oh, yea, that was so awful that it evaporated out of the dish.  I'm
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steph wrote:
>
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
> = On Sun, 4 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> = > Clo, I hope the night goes well!

> = Thanks, it's going as predicted; I actually am fine with allnighters at
> = intervals, because they give me time by myself. This ain't nothin'.
> =
> = clo
>
> Well then, good morning from the east.
>
> Murphy has been having a tough week, poor cat, and yesterday he
> ate things from the garden.  This helped with the hairball,

Focusing on the positive, I'm glad he found something that helped.
Rudyard Kitling (named by my daughter) is constantly tossing his
cookies, and I really feel that cats are partly so standoffish
because they constantly have reflux. Poor things. Hope Murphy does
better now, at both ends.

>
> I had Weds, Thu, Fri off from work last week, and here it is
> Monday morning and I don't really want to go.  Bah.

Eesh. Hard to get started again.

clo

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Karen:
>
> > > Clo, you take things too personally.
>
> >I thought it was a very strange criticism, given the composition of
> >this list.
>
> I'm going to let it go for now - I had a point there which I'll explain
> another time maybe. It's late and I'm not in the mood for it now.
> But I want to encourage Clo to post what she wants, not hold
> back on my (or anyone's) account. (Gosh, that feels strange,
> I've never had to post anything like that before.)
>

Well, thank you for the encouragement; but you still didn't have
to post permission on my account. It's pretty evident that on
Words-Fucking-L,
I can post whatever I want (other than, perhaps, apologies).

Whether the words will be understood, well - that's another kettle
of fish. Email is lacking so many prosodic markers and other
indicators of intent, we waste a lot of time refining what seem
like perfectly straightforward statements when we send them out.

eg,

this from Rashmi -
> I'm going to let it go for now - I had a point there which I'll explain
> another time maybe. It's late and I'm not in the mood for it now.

seems pretty close in intent to what I said -

>>> >Well, I certainly wasn't claiming any special goodness for one set of
>>> >beliefs over another; but if it bothers you I won't talk about it at all
>>> >any more. Sorry.

- in essence, "eh, it's not important enough to rehash in detail".

I actually find both of Betty's responses puzzling for this reason -

> > <slap>
> >
> > Clo, you take things too personally.  I'm sorry that you are going through
> > a rough time, too.
> >
> > Betty
>


>Rashmi is mean. It's hard to make a point around here. Everyone
>thinks they know what you mean when they don't.

>Betty

Both the <slap> and the "mean" comment surprised me because I
couldn't place the intent; I consequently took them as humor
and ignored them.

In the first comment, "you take things too personally" let me know
that what I meant as "eh"  came across as whining about being
told I was uncool. That's fine.

The second comment, "It's hard to make a point around here. Everyone
thinks they know what you mean when they don't.", seems to me a good
summary of most email communication.

You guys have written back and forth for years and you know each
other's  voices at least some of the time, yet there's still room
for error. My response to that is not to make repeated attempts
at clarification. Usually, if a couple of tries don't get me
there, I back out of the interaction with an attempt to validate
the other person's point of view.

It's conditioned by the years of miscommunication with the stbex;
it's one reason for the designation of stbex, in fact. In that
setting, there is no room for postmortem recovery of the actual
message.

In the climate of WF-L, the "ok, whatever you say" approach
probably seems sappy, wimpy, insincere, even manipulative. In
my ftf life, pursuing clarity is seen as attempting to throw
my intellectual weight around, hence manipulative.  Shifting back
and forth between two sets of rules for dealing with
miscommunication is very tough, and I'm good with the fallout
for mis-stepping, most of the time.

clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I just stumbled upon something in Village Voice saying that "Manor
> House" will be repeated in full at 12:30 today on WNET (NYC, I assume).

    I caught the marathon this afternoon.  Gawd, by the third episode I was
ready to vote Socialist.  Either the folks upstairs were real asshats going
in or it was a classic example of the Zimbardo Effect...

JMW

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > I just stumbled upon something in Village Voice saying that "Manor
> > House" will be repeated in full at 12:30 today on WNET (NYC, I assume).
>
>     I caught the marathon this afternoon.  Gawd, by the third episode I was
> ready to vote Socialist.  Either the folks upstairs were real asshats going
> in or it was a classic example of the Zimbardo Effect...
>

Yes, that seems more likely.

And, it probably explains why socialism seemed attractive then,
but doesn't now.

clo

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In a message dated 05/05/2003 1:21:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:

<<
And, it probably explains why socialism seemed attractive then,
but doesn't now.

>>

That, and the factory conditions at that time.  The conditions at
Triangle were nothing new, and factory owners would pay
inspectors to "look the other way."

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> to say good night, Natalie.
>
> Clo, I hope the night goes well!
>
> Ann
>

Thanks for the good wishes, Ann. It went fine. I got both theses read and
was able to sign off on them, and most of my database and program work is
in good shape.

The data warehouse was busy running reports and wouldn't let me update
student status, so that is still to be done today; and we don't have a
good logo yet for the flyers and front of the program; but these are
relatively minor.

It will be interesting to see the changes my boss wants in the draft
programs after she sees them...

And I took 2-3 hr nap, so I am in pretty good shape. I'm hoping to get
another before I go in to work... if the coffee will let me.

clo

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On Sun, 4 May 2003, Betty wrote:

> <slap>

Thanks, I needed that ;}
>
> Clo, you take things too personally.  I'm sorry that you are going through
> a rough time, too.
>

Well, I think everybody is right now - mine is not special. But I
appreciate the kind thought.

clo

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08:37 04.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Jeff wrote:
>
>> V's as W's.
>
>Hmm.  Where is Espen?  He might have some ideas about this.

Espen mixes Vs and Ws since they do n ot represent different phonemes in Norwegian.

Espen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> It may have more to do with whether he was taken from the litter early
> - he may have been forced to learn to sleep alone. Or, he may have
> been trained never to get on the bed. V has managed to
> take every dog he's ever had and teach it to cuddle; so don't give
> up hope. He may come around.

That's a good point re timing of being taken from the litter.  Re the
bed, it's not that he doesn't get on it at all.  He sometimes sleeps on
it at times other than when I'm on it.  But maybe he'll join me in it
someday.*  He was not a cuddler at all at first and would even jump down
off of the couch if I sat down.  That gradually changed, though.  Now he
loves snuggling with me on the couch.  The way he acted at first made me
think that somebody had indeed had a rule in his puppyhood about not
being able to stay on furniture with people.  Such a rule strikes me as
very odd.  I know that some people don't allow dogs on furniture at all,
and I can understand that kind of rule.  But to allow them to be on the
furniture only when a person isn't seems crazy to me -- you'd have all
the disadvantages of dogs on furntiure (doghairs, etc.) without having
the joy of cuddling.

*interesting preposition use of the kind that must be hard for a student
of EFL/ESL -- the bed in "on the bed" is the piece of furniture itself,
while with "in the bed" it's more a matter of inside the covers -- or
something like that -- have taken only the first sip of coffee so far --

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> to say good night, Natalie.

Thank you.  I was asleep by then.  But Good Morning.  I am drinking
coffee from a Ghirardelli mug, from your neck of the woods.  It's the
one with the upside-down logo.  I think that was an accident.  The mug
came in some kind of candy box, and I didn't noticed the upsidedownness
until later.

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> Espen mixes Vs and Ws since they do n ot represent different phonemes in Norwegian.

So both sounds exist in Norwegian?  Are they in complementary
distribution, or are they random variants?

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Hey, Pete -- Have you used Blogger?  I find some oddities about it.  I
mentioned earlier the sudden disappearance of the post/publish button
when I was doing minor editing.  The next time I tried it, that was ok
-- no problem.  But last night I decided to change the template.  I
succeeded, but then it claimed to be "republishing the archives" but
didn't.  This morning it did, though.  Meanwhile, I have tried and tried
changing "will consist of" to "consists of" in the description.  I've
hit "save changes" a zillion times, but when I go to the blog, it still
says "will consist of."
I don't mean to sound as if I'm looking this gifthorse in the mouth.  I
find it amazing that not only is the use of the software free but the
space also.  It's just that I'm curious about its inconsistent behavior,
etc.

Also, would somebody give me advice on whether the new format is ok?
The blue is perhaps a bit startling to the eyes, and the text is
smaller.  I might change it back to the old format -- if it lets me --
it might be in a won't-let-me mood when I try.  Anyway, it's here:

http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/

(Re its content -- it's much too <earnest of tone> so far.  I hope to
add some links to funny news tidbits or whatever.)

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I was just skimming the morning's news and found an intersting article
in the Washington Post about contributors to the various Democratic
Presidential hopefuls.  On the part about the professions (but it said
later that a large percentage of Dean contributors did not supply that
info), it said this:

***************
Dean's money people are different from his competitors' in several
respects. According to the donors' occupations listed on the disclosure
reports -- a category that some contributors leave blank -- Dean, the
former governor of Vermont, has outmuscled his Democratic presidential
rivals when it comes to professors. There were 63 on his donor list,
compared with 32 for his closest rival, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.).
The same was true for "writers" -- 60 for Dean, 11 for Kerry, and 10
each for Edwards and Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn); "artists" --
Dean 27, eight each for Kerry and Edwards; and psychiatrists, 13 for
Dean, compared with 6 for all the others combined, according to
PoliticalMoneyLine, an Internet-based service.
**************
from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10279-2003May3.html

Among my ftf colleagues, I know of nobody who has decided yet who to be
for in '04 -- nobody but me, that is.  Iow, my Dean interest did not
arise from hanging out among professors who were talking about him.
Actually, I haven't heard that much talk yet about the campaigning.  My
interest in Dean came from reading about him.  Yet here I am sitting
amidst my <ilk> in Dean supporting.

Also in my reading of the morning's news, I realized that I should have
turned on tv again late yesterday to have seen the part of the debate I
missed since it included a fight between Dean and Kerry that I probably
should have taken in.  Oh well.
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Natalie Maynor:
=
= Also, would somebody give me advice on whether the new format is ok?
= The blue is perhaps a bit startling to the eyes, and the text is
= smaller.  I might change it back to the old format -- if it lets me --
= it might be in a won't-let-me mood when I try.  Anyway, it's here:
=
= http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/
=

I think if you're not going to populate the side columns that you
can make the center column wider.  It's not even because
sometimes long urls make the boxes wider, and that makes it look
untidy.  Also, you can shift the left column further to the left.

= (Re its content -- it's much too <earnest of tone> so far.  I hope to
= add some links to funny news tidbits or whatever.)
=

As for it's content, I'm much more likely to chase a url that you
post here.  Like Pete sometimes posts what he's blogged, I think
your mail here about the breakdown of the donations is much more
interesting than anything in your blog so far.

In my boomarks I have a folder I call "pages of links" so when
I've surfed through my routine and I'm still looking for
something to read I can poke through there.  If your blog were
more like that it would be more interesting to read.

It depends too, on what your goal is.  Probably when I get
started with this kind of stuff for myself I'll be more
interested in just creating a space where I can put stuff for my
family because by and large I don't tell them a whole lot about
what's going on except for the major things.

I think your blog right now really servers as a clearinghouse of
what you've read.  That's really handy if you want to point
people to something and you don't have the url handy.  Good for
your lunchtime crowd, perhaps.

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13:36 04.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Ann Borkin wrote:
>>
>> > She'd be mortified if she knew
>>
>> I've been following the stories with keen interest and I know we all feel
>> affection for Alyce, but this part bothers me.  Maybe we can give it a
>> rest until . . . until when, I don't know, maybe I consider secrets
>> revealable after (or at) whatever event is designated for public mourning
>> & celebration.
>
>I've been thinking about that also.  I've had mixed feelings about it
>all day.

I am now slowly catching up on e-mail collected since last Friday. I am very happy with the stories from Alyce's life which have been told so far - it builds up my image of her as a person (I have never met her or talked with her, only been in e-mail contact) and in fact it makes me love her.

Espen

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22:37 04.05.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Jeff wrote:
>
>> >Doris Markland wrote:
>> >
>> > > The pie's in the oven.
>> > >
>> > > It must be spring in the midwest.
>> >
>> >Mmm! May I have a virtual bite of it? (I smell it already!)
>> >
>> >Kristin
>>
>> I hope it's got strawberries mixed in the filling.
>
>New fresh strawberries at that time of the year... I even do not dream
>of them yet!
>
>Yes, there are fresh strawberries on sale, brought from Spain, or I do
>not know where. But as beautiful they may be, the do not look right.
>Rhubarbs may soon grow here, although the weather has long been rather
>cold this year.

Saturday we had a lot of snow here.

Espen

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steph wrote:

> I think if you're not going to populate the side columns that you
> can make the center column wider.  It's not even because
> sometimes long urls make the boxes wider, and that makes it look
> untidy.  Also, you can shift the left column further to the left.

Thanks.  I agree totally that the middle thing is too skinny.  But I
haven't seen a way to change that kind of thing -- or to populate the
side columns.  The only setting options I've found are extremely
limited.

>  I think
> your mail here about the breakdown of the donations is much more
> interesting than anything in your blog so far.

I think so too.  So far, though, I've tended to blog less mainstream
stuff.  I figure people interested in the regular news would probably
already have seen stuff like that.

> I think your blog right now really servers as a clearinghouse of
> what you've read.  That's really handy if you want to point
> people to something and you don't have the url handy.

Yes, that's its main point.

Meanwhile, back to the formatting/template/whatever (and I notice that
the archives have vanished again):  I'll poke around some more with
Blogger, but I'm leaning heavily at the moment toward forgetting Blogger
and just doing a blog manually on my website.  I was thinking about it
again this morning in the shower -- thinking about our earlier
discussion of what Blogger offers that I couldn't just as easily do
myself, and I think I've reached the conclusion "nothing."  That would
be ok if I didn't find Blogger so mysterious about making some changes
when told to but not making other changes.  I *know* I told it to change
"will consist of" to "consists of," yet "will consist of" still sits
there.  And the republished archives finally showed up last night (or
was that early this morning?) but have vanished again.

Iow, I feel that it would be much easier to manage a blog without
Blogger in the way.  Re the advantages mentioned earlier, archiving and
searching, I've decided that neither is a problem.  Re archiving, it
would be quite simple to do that manually, whenever the spirit moved me
-- as in whenever the page was getting too long, I could just lop off a
big chunk of it and put it into an archive file.  And re searching, all
browsers that I know of have "find in page" search mechanisms, which
would require being on the right page, of course, as in going to each
archive page, but then I can't imagine why anybody would really want to
search for anything on my blog anyway, except possibly me.

More later.  I'm sweltering right now in my windowless office.  They
turn off a/c over weekends, making Monday mornings ungodly hot and
stuffy (and cold in winter).  Makes me wish I hadn't given up my old
office with its two huge windows.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Spencer just doesn't consider you the leader of his pack, so
he doesn't feel compelled to try to sleep near you, thus
upping his status.

You would never know the abuse some dogs go through.  Belle
now seems like she's been a house dog all her life and is
super loving, when she spent her entire life living in a
cage producing puppies.  She actually had no muscle tone
when she arrived.


Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>
>>It may have more to do with whether he was taken from the litter early
>>- he may have been forced to learn to sleep alone. Or, he may have
>>been trained never to get on the bed. V has managed to
>>take every dog he's ever had and teach it to cuddle; so don't give
>>up hope. He may come around.
>>
>
> That's a good point re timing of being taken from the litter.  Re the
> bed, it's not that he doesn't get on it at all.  He sometimes sleeps on
> it at times other than when I'm on it.  But maybe he'll join me in it
> someday.*  He was not a cuddler at all at first and would even jump down
> off of the couch if I sat down.  That gradually changed, though.  Now he
> loves snuggling with me on the couch.  The way he acted at first made me
> think that somebody had indeed had a rule in his puppyhood about not
> being able to stay on furniture with people.  Such a rule strikes me as
> very odd.  I know that some people don't allow dogs on furniture at all,
> and I can understand that kind of rule.  But to allow them to be on the
> furniture only when a person isn't seems crazy to me -- you'd have all
> the disadvantages of dogs on furntiure (doghairs, etc.) without having
> the joy of cuddling.
>
> *interesting preposition use of the kind that must be hard for a student
> of EFL/ESL -- the bed in "on the bed" is the piece of furniture itself,
> while with "in the bed" it's more a matter of inside the covers -- or
> something like that -- have taken only the first sip of coffee so far --
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Recipe:

Beat slightly 2 large eggs
Add 2 tablespoons milk
Mix together and stir in:
      1 1/2 cups sugar
      3 tablespoons flour
      3/4 teaspoons either cinnamon
            or nutmeg
Mix in 3 cups cut-up pink rhubarb

Pour into a pastry-lined pie pan.
Dot with butter.  Bake 50-60 minutes
at 400 degrees.

I use a boughten deep-dish piecrust.
I use cinnamon, but also grind in some
fresh nutmeg.

             - D. M.

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05:52 05.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>> Espen mixes Vs and Ws since they do n ot represent different phonemes in Norwegian.
>
>So both sounds exist in Norwegian?  Are they in complementary
>distribution, or are they random variants?

No, the W doesn't really exist - so a Norwegian hearing "W" would hear it as a "V". (In a similar way, many native English speakers can't hear the difference between "I" and "Y" in Norwegian - and I won't even go into tonems since that is something else again).

Espen

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06:04 05.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Hey, Pete -- Have you used Blogger?  I find some oddities about it.  I
>mentioned earlier the sudden disappearance of the post/publish button
>when I was doing minor editing.  The next time I tried it, that was ok
>-- no problem.  But last night I decided to change the template.  I

How did you change the template? I have not figured out that. (And BTW I play with Blogger stp-ing the pages to my own server.)

Espen

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How can I find out what version of
Internet Explorer I am using?

          - D. M.

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At 08:49 AM 5/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>How can I find out what version of
>Internet Explorer I am using?

Hit HELP on your web page, click on "About Internet Explorer.

cwv"

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> At 08:49 AM 5/5/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >How can I find out what version of
> >Internet Explorer I am using?
>
> Hit HELP on your web page, click on "About Internet Explorer.
>
> cwv"

Thanks, Clyde.

    - D. M.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Spencer just doesn't consider you the leader of his pack, so
> he doesn't feel compelled to try to sleep near you, thus
> upping his status.

Hmm.  I wonder who he thinks is leader.  He's pretty obedient -- doesn't
act as if he considers himself the alpha.  But I wonder about another
difference between Spencer and Bernard:  Bernard always greeted me with
great commotion when I returned home, even if I'd been gone only a short
time (and I don't believe for a minute that story that dogs don't know
whether you've been gone a long time or a short time).  He would always
race around and find something to give to me -- one of his toys, a twig,
anything he could find quickly.  Spencer isn't into dramatic greetings.
He just sort of nods and gives a quick low-key wag, except when I've
been out of town, in which case he barks and runs round in circles and
runs back and forth to me, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> How did you change the template? I have not figured out that. (And BTW I play with Blogger stp-ing the pages to my own server.)

Click on the box labeled "template" just to the right of the one labeled
"settings."  The html of your template will pop onto your screen, and
there's a place at the top (above the html window) where you can click
on "choose a new template."  Hmm.  Just thought of something.  I bet the
point of popping the html window onto the screen is to allow you to edit
it -- to customize your chosen template.  But I bet it's above my head.
My webpage creating is very, very basic.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:45 PM
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>
>
>On Saturday, May 03, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> I can't imagine that there would be anybody who would want
>to be me.  Or
>> maybe certain odd cases -- like maybe somebody who was in a miserable
>> situation and suffering from physical impairments making life almost
>> impossible.
>
>Speaking of which, where is Theo?
>
>Karen
>

Gone, I pray.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.
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>Karen
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I thought it was a good movie.

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0172495


alec

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09:08 05.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
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>> How did you change the template? I have not figured out that. (And BTW I play with Blogger stp-ing the pages to my own server.)
>
>Click on the box labeled "template" just to the right of the one labeled
>"settings."  The html of your template will pop onto your screen, and

Thank you very much!

Espen

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09:08 05.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>> How did you change the template? I have not figured out that. (And BTW I play with Blogger stp-ing the pages to my own server.)
>
>Click on the box labeled "template" just to the right of the one labeled
>"settings."  The html of your template will pop onto your screen, and

PS: Have you (or you, Peter) managed to use Unicode text with Blogger?

Espen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:16 PM
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>
>
>I seem to have a trojan on my computer--IRC Trojan. Norton quarantined
>a bunch of files, but I'm wondering if I need to do anything else
>about it?
>
>Karen
>

check out:

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html

alec

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> PS: Have you (or you, Peter) managed to use Unicode text with Blogger?

I don't even know what it is.  My webpage-making is at the same level it
was in '93 or whenever.

But back to the mysteries of Blogger:  I have ascertained that the
republished archives (when you change the template, the archives go
away, but you can tell Blogger to bring them back) are indeed there if I
use IE but not if I use Netscape.  Yet they used to be there with
Netscape.  Ok, so I know Blogger is non-Netscape-friendly (I stick to IE
for adding/editing because of that).  But here's what's really odd.  I
told it LAST NIGHT to change back to the old template I had used.  It
didn't change.  This morning it was still using the blue-backgrounded
one Steph and I were discussing.  Suddenly a little while ago, it seems
to have gone back to the old one, even though I have told it nothing
today about making such a change.

Bottom line:  Blogger makes me feel that my blog is <out of control> --
that I can't manage it.  (It still hasn't made that wording change I
told  it to make last night.  Maybe it will suddenly be changed
tomorrow.)  I don't like this.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 9:48:37 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> check out:

> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html

Um, thanks. That's actually why I was asking, because what's written
there doesn't make any sense to me. It's not clear to me what has to
be done manually and what Antivirus takes care of on its own.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> "Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
> > PS: Have you (or you, Peter) managed to use Unicode text with Blogger?
>
> I don't even know what it is.  My webpage-making is at the same level it
> was in '93 or whenever.
>

<http://www.unicode.org/standard/WhatIsUnicode.html>
"What is Unicode?"
"Unicode provides a unique number for every character, no matter what
the platform, no matter what the program, no matter what the language."

It's how you use symbols and orthographies outside the set your
operating system wants you to see.

clo

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Natalie, on Unicode:
>> I don't even know what it is.

Think of it as a *really* extended ASCII.
Instead of 7 or 8 bits, it uses 16, which
makes for enough combinations to represent
just about anything humans have used for
symbols.

--
Richard                price/eustachy in 2004

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 8:03:49 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Recipe:

Thanks!

Karen

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10:19 05.05.2003 -0500 skrev again, all around:
>Natalie, on Unicode:
>>> I don't even know what it is.
>
>Think of it as a *really* extended ASCII.
>Instead of 7 or 8 bits, it uses 16, which

- or 32

>makes for enough combinations to represent
>just about anything humans have used for
>symbols.

16 bits is really not enough for that but 32 goes a long way.

Espen

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At 08:53 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
>>gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
>>else feeling them?     -- Natalie
>
>Yes, I am.   But perhaps it is only because I've been praying and asked two
>ex-nun friends to pray with me that the good Lord hurry things along a
>bit.  Perhaps He listens to us former Brides of Christ.  I hope so.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I had the same vibes, right around the same time.

lisa

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At 01:35 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Sunday, May 4, 2003, 1:30:23 PM, Jeff wrote:
> > It grows like weeds at our house in western Illinois. There is a Rhubarb
> > Fest in a nearby town.
>
>Yes, I grew up in MI, and it grew in our backyard there. I don't know
>if it grows in TX. I do think of it as a midwestern thang.
>
>Karen

We had it in CT. As a matter of fact, my mother has it in her backyard
right now.

My Canadian (PEI) grandfather loved rhubarb pie. I had the impression it
was something from his childhood.

I don't think there were any festivals though.

lisa

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At 02:28 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>An update on Alyce and a question to those who have gone through this kind
>of thing before:
>
>Alyce had a pretty rough night. She couldn't sleep because of the
>congestion that she was too weak to cough up. She kept asking why she
>wasn't dead and said I needed to kill her. Finally, at about 6 a.m., she
>went to sleep and hasn't woken up yet.
>
>She may now be comatose, but I don't know, because I am being careful not
>to disturb her and possibly awaken her. She hasn't asked for food in more
>than two days and I haven't tried to feed her (I have asked her a few times
>and she has declined). Am I right in not trying to feed her and not trying
>to wake her up? My intuition and rationalizing tell me "yes," but there is
>a lingering sense of guilt. An affirmation that I am doing the right thing
>would help to ease my mind considerably
>
>Any advice or thoughts would be more than welcome.

Most definitely you are doing the right thing. I've been thinking about you
a lot lately. You're awfully brave and I admire you for what you're doing.

When my stepfather was in hospice, my mother kept trying to feed him and
give him something to drink. It was an awful scene to watch. She wanted him
to live. She just could not accept that the love of her life was going to die.

I wasn't there the last day, on purpose (I've never admitted that to anyone
before). I just could not deal with it. I really did not want to see his
last breath. In part because I too didn't want him to leave but also
because I didn't want to see my mother take her first breath without him.

Luckily there were other people at hospice when he did die. In a way it
worked out because I was at the house when no one else was.

Again, you're doing great. As many have already said, I'm glad you're with
Alyce and us.

lisa

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> It's how you use symbols and orthographies outside the set your
> operating system wants you to see.

Ah, then I do know what it is -- as in I've used it.  Just didn't know
its name.  I've used it on webpages at various times but haven't had
occasion to try it on Blogger.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I had the same vibes, right around the same time.

This is interesting.  I wonder why we felt them.

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Folks,

Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
mover.


Alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
> about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
> Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
> mover.
>
> Alec


Congratulations!
clo

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I'll poke around some more with Blogger, but I'm leaning heavily at the
>moment toward forgetting Blogger and just doing a blog manually on my website.

Regarding using Blogger: I've used it to post to blogs other people
maintained, but haven't played around with its templates or descriptions, etc.

As Tushar noted, blosxom might be a good fit for you.  It's simple and
straightforward, and you'd have control over what's going on, but it would
automate some of the organizational stuff.

Ben and Mena, the Movable Type folks, will be introducing hosted MT soon
<http://www.typepad.com/>, although MT probably gives you a lot more than
you're looking for.

I really like the way the Socialtext tool does blogs+wiki (of course), but
it's set up for workgroups right now, not individuals, and still in limited
release.

Pete

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 10:50:45 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
> about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
> Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
> mover.

YaY! Good luck with the move.

Karen

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At 11:50 AM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
>about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
>Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
>mover.
>
>
>Alec

Hey this is good news. I'm happy for you.

Good luck with your move.

Congrats!

lisa

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11:50 05.05.2003 -0400 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
>Folks,
>
>Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
>about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
>Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
>mover.

Congratulations!

Espen

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Congratulations!!

At 11:50 AM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
>about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
>Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
>mover.
>
>
>Alec

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At 11:27 AM 5/4/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>Why does this post get three red peppers from Eudora??  Must be Virgin Dyke.
>
>
>> > V's as W's.
>>
>> >Hmm.  Where is Espen?  He might have some ideas about this.
>>
>>This V-as-W feature is also prominent in the vernacular variety of English
>>spoken by people of Tortola, British Virgin Islands (and likely other BV
>>Islanders as well --  in Virgin Gorda, Jost Van Dyke and Anegada).
>>
>>AS
>
>    --bonniev

Three red peppers? Damn, Eudora knows nothing of the gay community! A
virgin dyke would get at least 5 "how to" books and 6 invites to the coming
out group at the women's center from non-virgin dykes.

lisa

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Alec D. Plotkin:
= Folks,
=
= Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
= about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
= Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
= mover.

YaY!

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= > Monday morning and I don't really want to go.  Bah.
=
= Eesh. Hard to get started again.
=
= clo

Well now it's 6:30, and I'm STILL HERE!  What a day.  But I'm
almost done.

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steph wrote:
>
> = > Monday morning and I don't really want to go.  Bah.
> =
> = Eesh. Hard to get started again.
> =
> = clo
>
> Well now it's 6:30, and I'm STILL HERE!  What a day.  But I'm
> almost done.

Lucky you!
I went home at 5:30 am, and came back at 9:30 to start the workday.
It's all good, though.

clo

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That's wonderful! Owning a house still seems a tad scary to me. I'm happy
for you both.

Sandra


> Alec D. Plotkin:
> = Folks,
> =
> = Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West
> Chester, PA. It is
> = about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
> = Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do
> and finding a
> = mover.

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On Sat, 3 May 2003 14:28:17 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just
walk
>> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
>> "unexamined".
>
>Well, you would be wrong.
>
>Karen

Why is she wrong? This is her approach to life.

Personally, I examine and think about a lot of things. I want to know why
people behave the way they do, what's motivating them, what they're
possibly getting out of their actions.

I've shared some of these thoughts with Tina and she's always amazed by the
level of thought I've given something. There are times when she absolutely
cannot fathom would I would care so much, why I would put some much time
and energy into these considerations.

I don't consider Tina "wrong" for not thinking about and/or approaching
life the same way I do. As a matter of fact I like that we don't have this
in common. I imagine it being very tiresome if we were both like this.

lisa

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At 12:52 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Three red peppers? Damn, Eudora knows nothing of the gay community! A
>>virgin dyke would get at least 5 "how to" books and 6 invites to the coming
>>out group at the women's center from non-virgin dykes.
>>lisa
>
>What about the tool belt and the power drill?
>
>
>    --bonniev

no.. you have to "earn" those.

lisa

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At 11:55 AM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:52:48 AM, bonniev wrote:
> >>Three red peppers? Damn, Eudora knows nothing of the gay community! A
> >>virgin dyke would get at least 5 "how to" books and 6 invites to the coming
> >>out group at the women's center from non-virgin dykes.
> >>lisa
>
> > What about the tool belt and the power drill?
>
>And the toaster?
>
>Karen

again.. those are all in the prize catalogue.. you aren't just "given"
those items.

lisa

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>Three red peppers? Damn, Eudora knows nothing of the gay community! A
>virgin dyke would get at least 5 "how to" books and 6 invites to the coming
>out group at the women's center from non-virgin dykes.
>lisa

What about the tool belt and the power drill?


    --bonniev

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Espen S. Ore writes,

>PS: Have you (or you, Peter) managed to use Unicode text with Blogger?

I haven't, yet.

Just started looking a little at Unicode support for the Socialtext tool
last week.

Pete

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In a message dated 05/05/2003 10:50:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
Heide and I are homeowners.
>>

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA.

Congrats!

Kristin

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:52:48 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>Three red peppers? Damn, Eudora knows nothing of the gay community! A
>>virgin dyke would get at least 5 "how to" books and 6 invites to the coming
>>out group at the women's center from non-virgin dykes.
>>lisa

> What about the tool belt and the power drill?

And the toaster?

Karen

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:08:15 PM, S Hess wrote:
> That's wonderful! Owning a house still seems a tad scary to me. I'm happy
> for you both.

Why is it scary?

Karen

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>> > What about the tool belt and the power drill?
>>
>>And the toaster?
>
>again.. those are all in the prize catalogue.. you aren't just "given"
>those items.
>lisa

I suppose you have to recruit, right?  Like opening up a new account at the
bank.


    --bonniev

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:15 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

> I am installing my new HP Photo Smart printer,
> and it says "Disable virus-checking software
> before you install the printer software."

> How do I disable my Norton Anti-Virus?

right-click on it and choose 'disable auto-protect'



Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:12 PM
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>
>
>Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:08:15 PM, S Hess wrote:
>> That's wonderful! Owning a house still seems a tad scary to
>me. I'm happy
>> for you both.
>
>Why is it scary?
>
>Karen

A few for us are:

mortgage for 30 years
and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
possible expenses


alec

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I am installing my new HP Photo Smart printer,
and it says "Disable virus-checking software
before you install the printer software."

How do I disable my Norton Anti-Virus?

                - D. M.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:51:28 AM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2003 14:28:17 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just
> walk
>>> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
>>> "unexamined".
>>
>>Well, you would be wrong.
>>
>>Karen

> Why is she wrong? This is her approach to life.

Her judgement that a 'live and let live attitude' means that you have
an unexamined life is wrong. I'm not quarreling with her
judgementalism--that's just how Bonnie is. But I don't have to accept
her judgements as more than her opinion.

Karen

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> Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:15 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I am installing my new HP Photo Smart printer,
> > and it says "Disable virus-checking software
> > before you install the printer software."
>
> > How do I disable my Norton Anti-Virus?
>
> right-click on it and choose 'disable auto-protect'
>
>
>
> Karen

Right clicking does not bring up that choice.

Will I have to uninstall?

           - D. M.

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>
> Right clicking does not bring up that choice.
>
> Will I have to uninstall?
>
>            - D. M.
>
 Never mind.  I found it and have disabled it.
Now when I'm through installing the printer
I wonder how I enable it again./

           - D. M.

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At 12:01 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:51:28 AM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 May 2003 14:28:17 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just
> > walk
> >>> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
> >>> "unexamined".
> >>
> >>Well, you would be wrong.
> >>
> >>Karen
>
> > Why is she wrong? This is her approach to life.
>
>Her judgement that a 'live and let live attitude' means that you have
>an unexamined life is wrong. I'm not quarreling with her
>judgementalism--that's just how Bonnie is. But I don't have to accept
>her judgements as more than her opinion.
>
>Karen

Interesting. I didn't get that at all.

Thanks for answering.

lisa

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At 01:11 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>> > What about the tool belt and the power drill?
>>>
>>>And the toaster?
>>
>>again.. those are all in the prize catalogue.. you aren't just "given"
>>those items.
>>lisa
>
>I suppose you have to recruit, right?  Like opening up a new account at the
>bank.
>
>
>    --bonniev

You recruit for the softball and football teams.

You convert for THE team.

lisa

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:36:23 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:15 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> > I am installing my new HP Photo Smart printer,
>> > and it says "Disable virus-checking software
>> > before you install the printer software."
>>
>> > How do I disable my Norton Anti-Virus?
>>
>> right-click on it and choose 'disable auto-protect'
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen

> Right clicking does not bring up that choice.

Then click on it and see if Auto-Protect is checked. If it's not
checked, then don't worry about it.

(When I right-click mine, it gives me a short menu that says Open
Norton AntiVirus, Disable Auto-Protect, and Configure Norton
Anti-Virus.

> Will I have to uninstall?

You shouldn't have to. You just want to make sure it doesn't go off
when you're installing your printer.

Karen

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:38:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>> Right clicking does not bring up that choice.
>>
>> Will I have to uninstall?
>>
>>            - D. M.
>>
>  Never mind.  I found it and have disabled it.
> Now when I'm through installing the printer
> I wonder how I enable it again./

How did you disable it?

Karen

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On Monday, May 05, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 12:01 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:51:28 AM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>> > On Sat, 3 May 2003 14:28:17 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> >>> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just
>> > walk
>> >>> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would consider that
>> >>> "unexamined".
>> >>
>> >>Well, you would be wrong.
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>>
>> > Why is she wrong? This is her approach to life.
>>
>>Her judgement that a 'live and let live attitude' means that you have
>>an unexamined life is wrong. I'm not quarreling with her
>>judgementalism--that's just how Bonnie is. But I don't have to accept
>>her judgements as more than her opinion.
>>
>>Karen

> Interesting. I didn't get that at all.

How did you interpret what she said? I thought she was quite explicit.

Karen

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.

I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.

Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
having foot problems.

Karen

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>Right clicking does not bring up that choice.
>Will I have to uninstall?
>            - D. M.

No, no.  Don't uninstall.   Open up the Norton Antivirus by double clicking
on the little symbol down in your tray on the right.  Then double click
again on "real time scanning".  It will open a box and ask if you want to
disable it, telling you to give that a thought.  Go ahead and disable it
but remember to go back and enable it again.


    --bonniev

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At 12:39 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Monday, May 05, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > At 12:01 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:51:28 AM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 3 May 2003 14:28:17 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> wrote:
> >> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >> >>> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just
> >> > walk
> >> >>> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would
> consider that
> >> >>> "unexamined".
> >> >>
> >> >>Well, you would be wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >>Karen
> >>
> >> > Why is she wrong? This is her approach to life.
> >>
> >>Her judgement that a 'live and let live attitude' means that you have
> >>an unexamined life is wrong. I'm not quarreling with her
> >>judgementalism--that's just how Bonnie is. But I don't have to accept
> >>her judgements as more than her opinion.
> >>
> >>Karen
>
> > Interesting. I didn't get that at all.
>
>How did you interpret what she said? I thought she was quite explicit.
>
>Karen

I'm a bit hesitant to respond to you because I think this thread is a bit
played out. Since I did jump in, it's only right I answer.

I read Bonnie's response an explanation of how she lives her life and not a
judgement of how others live theirs.  So your response came across as a
judgement. I found it shocking (too strong a word but I can't come up with
one I like better) that you would judge how she lives her life.

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
>
> I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.
>
> Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
> them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
> my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
> having foot problems.
>
> Karen

I was very hesitant to buy a house with a basement laundry and
a finished attic, but it has worked out ok so far - and we have
a backup plan to convert the dining room into a bedroom if needed
in future. I would say that I am a better stairclimber now than
before we moved in; but there are still bad arthritis days when
I have to lean on the wall and essentially chimney down the stairs.

clo

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Subject: RE: Some happy news. and Heide news.
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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:42 PM
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>
>
>Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
>
>I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.
>
>Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
>them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
>my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
>having foot problems.
>
>Karen
>

We expect her walking and strength to return. It is unknown how quickly it
will return. The radiation and chemo killed the cancer, but had a few nasty
side effects.
Heide had an MRI last week, the results were good. Her next scan is in 6
months, she had been going every 3 months. The idea is that she gets scanned
every 3 months after the end of chemo for a year, then every 6 months for a
year, then once a year for a while.


alec

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:50:50 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 12:39 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Monday, May 05, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > At 12:01 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Monday, May 5, 2003, 11:51:28 AM, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, 3 May 2003 14:28:17 -0500, Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>Saturday, May 3, 2003, 1:42:35 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> >> >>> But, sure, I'm judging them also.  I guess it is not my nature to just
>> >> > walk
>> >> >>> through life with a "live and let live" attitude.  I would
>> consider that
>> >> >>> "unexamined".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Well, you would be wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Karen
>> >>
>> >> > Why is she wrong? This is her approach to life.
>> >>
>> >>Her judgement that a 'live and let live attitude' means that you have
>> >>an unexamined life is wrong. I'm not quarreling with her
>> >>judgementalism--that's just how Bonnie is. But I don't have to accept
>> >>her judgements as more than her opinion.
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>>
>> > Interesting. I didn't get that at all.
>>
>>How did you interpret what she said? I thought she was quite explicit.
>>
>>Karen

> I'm a bit hesitant to respond to you because I think this thread is a bit
> played out. Since I did jump in, it's only right I answer.

> I read Bonnie's response an explanation of how she lives her life and not a
> judgement of how others live theirs.

Uh, okay. Even though she said she was judging them?

> So your response came across as a judgement. I found it shocking
> (too strong a word but I can't come up with one I like better) that
> you would judge how she lives her life.

Au contraire; I am very live-and-let-live in this regard. But I don't
think that means that I'm living an unexamined life.

Karen

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At 12:54 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Karen
> >>
> >> > Interesting. I didn't get that at all.
> >>
> >>How did you interpret what she said? I thought she was quite explicit.
> >>
> >>Karen
>
> > I'm a bit hesitant to respond to you because I think this thread is a bit
> > played out. Since I did jump in, it's only right I answer.
>
> > I read Bonnie's response an explanation of how she lives her life and not a
> > judgement of how others live theirs.
>
>Uh, okay. Even though she said she was judging them?

No.. I mean about the examined part. I don't "live and let live" in the
respect that I do check people out and consider (or examine) what they're
doing with their lives. I come up with possible reasons for why they're
doing it and consider whether or not it's something I should be doing.

My take is that Bonnie and I have this in common. I also didn't get the
sense that Bonnie was saying you or anyone else should do this. That's why
your response struck me.


> > So your response came across as a judgement. I found it shocking
> > (too strong a word but I can't come up with one I like better) that
> > you would judge how she lives her life.
>
>Au contraire; I am very live-and-let-live in this regard. But I don't
>think that means that I'm living an unexamined life.
>
>Karen

Ok.

lisa

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 1:11:12 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 12:54 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Karen
>> >>
>> >> > Interesting. I didn't get that at all.
>> >>
>> >>How did you interpret what she said? I thought she was quite explicit.
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>>
>> > I'm a bit hesitant to respond to you because I think this thread is a bit
>> > played out. Since I did jump in, it's only right I answer.
>>
>> > I read Bonnie's response an explanation of how she lives her life and not a
>> > judgement of how others live theirs.
>>
>>Uh, okay. Even though she said she was judging them?

> No.. I mean about the examined part. I don't "live and let live" in the
> respect that I do check people out and consider (or examine) what they're
> doing with their lives. I come up with possible reasons for why they're
> doing it and consider whether or not it's something I should be doing.

> My take is that Bonnie and I have this in common. I also didn't get the
> sense that Bonnie was saying you or anyone else should do this. That's why
> your response struck me.

It was the correlation of 'live-and-let-live' with 'unexamined that
*I* found quite odd--and vehemently disagree with.

>> > So your response came across as a judgement. I found it shocking
>> > (too strong a word but I can't come up with one I like better) that
>> > you would judge how she lives her life.
>>
>>Au contraire; I am very live-and-let-live in this regard. But I don't
>>think that means that I'm living an unexamined life.
>>
>>Karen

> Ok.

> lisa



Karen

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Alec,

Man I am so happy for you two. What a pair of fighters you are. Pat yourself
on the back, pal.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:54:53 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> We expect her walking and strength to return.

Good!

> Her next scan is in 6 months, she had been going every 3 months. The
> idea is that she gets scanned every 3 months after the end of chemo
> for a year, then every 6 months for a year, then once a year for a
> while.

I hope they are all clear, forever and ever.

Karen

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> >  Never mind.  I found it and have disabled it.
> > Now when I'm through installing the printer
> > I wonder how I enable it again./
>
> How did you disable it?
>
> Karen

I found the place where I could check
"disable auto protect" and I clicked on it.

Going there again does not show me
how to enable it again.

          - D. M.

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> No, no.  Don't uninstall.   Open up the Norton Antivirus by double
clicking
> on the little symbol down in your tray on the right.  Then double
click
> again on "real time scanning".  It will open a box and ask if you want
to
> disable it, telling you to give that a thought.  Go ahead and disable
it
> but remember to go back and enable it again.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I think I should have read this post before I proceeded.
I see now I should have opened Norton first.  Instead
I just clicked on the "disable" when I right clicked the
symbol down in the tray.  When I open Norton now it
says I am enabled.  I'll bet it was never disabled.
I wonder if it makes a difference.

Anyway the printer is all hooked up and installed.
I am about to print my first something and then
eventually some pictures.

NOW I read on the box "Resists fading twice as
long as most traditionally processed photos."
That scares me.  I had never thought of photos
fading.  And what do they consider traditionally
processed photos.

              - D. M.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 1:24:16 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> >  Never mind.  I found it and have disabled it.
>> > Now when I'm through installing the printer
>> > I wonder how I enable it again./
>>
>> How did you disable it?
>>
>> Karen

> I found the place where I could check
> "disable auto protect" and I clicked on it.

> Going there again does not show me
> how to enable it again.

Click it.:)

Karen

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 1:30:57 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I think I should have read this post before I proceeded.
> I see now I should have opened Norton first.  Instead
> I just clicked on the "disable" when I right clicked the
> symbol down in the tray.  When I open Norton now it
> says I am enabled.  I'll bet it was never disabled.
> I wonder if it makes a difference.

Did you reboot? If so, it probably became enabled at startup.

> NOW I read on the box "Resists fading twice as
> long as most traditionally processed photos."
> That scares me.  I had never thought of photos
> fading.  And what do they consider traditionally
> processed photos.

Non-digital photos.

I'm surprised you don't know about photos fading. I mean, even b&ws
do. Here's an article on the topic that has a table on the second
page: http://aic.stanford.edu/conspec/emg/wilhelm_paper_feb_2002.pdf.

Or you can ask Pete or Paul--I bet they both know a lot about it.

Karen

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>No.. I mean about the examined part. I don't "live and let live" in the
>respect that I do check people out and consider (or examine) what they're
>doing with their lives. I come up with possible reasons for why they're
>doing it and consider whether or not it's something I should be doing.
>
>My take is that Bonnie and I have this in common. I also didn't get the
>sense that Bonnie was saying you or anyone else should do this. That's why
>your response struck me.
>
>lisa

You understand me perfectly.


    --bonniev

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is
>about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
>Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
>mover.

Bravo!

Bethany

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>Or you can ask Pete or Paul--I bet they both know a lot about it.

And Mary.

AS

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----- Original Message -----
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> Monday, May 5, 2003, 1:30:57 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I think I should have read this post before I proceeded.
> > I see now I should have opened Norton first.  Instead
> > I just clicked on the "disable" when I right clicked the
> > symbol down in the tray.  When I open Norton now it
> > says I am enabled.  I'll bet it was never disabled.
> > I wonder if it makes a difference.
>
> Did you reboot? If so, it probably became enabled at startup.
>
> > NOW I read on the box "Resists fading twice as
> > long as most traditionally processed photos."
> > That scares me.  I had never thought of photos
> > fading.  And what do they consider traditionally
> > processed photos.
>
> Non-digital photos.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know about photos fading. I mean, even b&ws
> do. Here's an article on the topic that has a table on the second
> page: http://aic.stanford.edu/conspec/emg/wilhelm_paper_feb_2002.pdf.
>
> Or you can ask Pete or Paul--I bet they both know a lot about it.
>
> Karen

Oh-oh.  HP did not get a very good report, although
they didn't list my particular model.

                            - D. M.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 1:55:49 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Oh-oh.  HP did not get a very good report, although
> they didn't list my particular model.

All media degrade. Just like all bodies.

Karen

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=
= A few for us are:
=
= mortgage for 30 years
= and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
= possible expenses
=
=
= alec

How is Heide doing, anyway?

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Karen Kay:
= Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= > and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
=
= I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.
=
= Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
= them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
= my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
= having foot problems.
=
= Karen

This is why my step-mom has a microwave in the "kids" bathroom.

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At 08:50 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
>gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
>else feeling them?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

At about 8:50 p.m., Alyce was going strong, talking up a storm and lucid.
Today is a different matter. She's been sleeping deeply since about 10. So
you may need to recalibrate your vibes. :-)

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At 08:53 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>>For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
>>gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
>>else feeling them?     -- Natalie
>
>Yes, I am.   But perhaps it is only because I've been praying and asked two
>ex-nun friends to pray with me that the good Lord hurry things along a
>bit.  Perhaps He listens to us former Brides of Christ.  I hope so.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Thanks for the prayers. We need every bit of help we can get to propel her
to the other side.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 2:04:31 PM, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= >> and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
> =
> = I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.
> =
> = Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
> = them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
> = my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
> = having foot problems.
> =
> = Karen

> This is why my step-mom has a microwave in the "kids" bathroom.

Because of steps?

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
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>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:02 PM
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>
>
>=
>= A few for us are:
>=
>= mortgage for 30 years
>= and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
>= possible expenses
>=
>=
>= alec
>
>How is Heide doing, anyway?
>

She is doing well. Trying to find work in a dead job market. Working temp
jobs and doing a few dr. visits. Learning our new area and enjoying life.


alec

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Karen Kay:
= Monday, May 5, 2003, 2:04:31 PM, steph wrote:
=
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= = >> and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
= > =
= > = I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.
= > =
= > = Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
= > = them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
= > = my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
= > = having foot problems.
= > =
= > = Karen
=
= > This is why my step-mom has a microwave in the "kids" bathroom.
=
= Because of steps?
=
= Karen

I knew I didn't put enough information in that post.  Yes,
because of steps.  The kitchen is downstairs and she's had a
bunch of foot surgery.  So she could make it to the other
upstairs bathroom for tea and soup which had already been brought
up.

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Jeff wrote:
>
> At 08:50 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
> >For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
> >gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
> >else feeling them?
> >
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> At about 8:50 p.m., Alyce was going strong, talking up a storm and lucid.
> Today is a different matter. She's been sleeping deeply since about 10. So
> you may need to recalibrate your vibes. :-)

Hi, Jeff. I am so happy that you had another chance to spend time
with Alyce. Thanks for letting us know how things are going.
Are you able to get much sleep, or are you up and down in the night
with her?

clo

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 5 May 2003 at 13:55, Doris Markland wrote:

> Oh-oh.  HP did not get a very good report, although
> they didn't list my particular model.

If you bought the 5550 or one of its variants and use the
(expensive) recommended HP paper, then you've got as good as it
gets these days. A predicted 70 years or so (obviously no one has
actually done an empirical study).

   mem

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 2:16:46 PM, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Monday, May 5, 2003, 2:04:31 PM, steph wrote:
> =
= >> Karen Kay:
= >> = Monday, May 5, 2003, 12:25:08 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= = >>> and many steps - Heide's walking and step climbing is not 100%.
= >> =
= >> = I understand this; it's why I live in a 1-story.
= >> =
= >> = Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
= >> = them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
= >> = my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
= >> = having foot problems.
= >> =
= >> = Karen
> =
= >> This is why my step-mom has a microwave in the "kids" bathroom.
> =
> = Because of steps?
> =
> = Karen

> I knew I didn't put enough information in that post.  Yes,
> because of steps.  The kitchen is downstairs and she's had a
> bunch of foot surgery.  So she could make it to the other
> upstairs bathroom for tea and soup which had already been brought
> up.

Ah. This sounds like a good solution for her.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>Jeff wrote:
>>
>> At 08:50 PM 5/4/2003, you wrote:
>> >For about the last hour I've been having these feelings
>that Alyce is
>> >gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of
>course.  Is anybody
>> >else feeling them?
>> >
>> >--
>> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>>
>> At about 8:50 p.m., Alyce was going strong, talking up a
>storm and lucid.
>> Today is a different matter. She's been sleeping deeply
>since about 10. So
>> you may need to recalibrate your vibes. :-)
>
>Hi, Jeff. I am so happy that you had another chance to spend time
>with Alyce. Thanks for letting us know how things are going.
>Are you able to get much sleep, or are you up and down in the night
>with her?
>
>clo
>

Jeff,

Remember to care of yourself. Even if it means paying a nurse for a few
hours, get away and do something unrelated to caring for Alyce. It will
help.

Alec

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It
>is
>about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
>Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do and finding a
>mover.

YaY! Let me know if you'd like a hand with the big move.

Great news about Heide.

-rashmi


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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >How is Heide doing, anyway?
> >
>
> She is doing well. Trying to find work in a dead job market. Working temp
> jobs and doing a few dr. visits. Learning our new area and enjoying life.

This news are at least as happy as these of the house!

Kristin

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> In the climate of WF-L, the "ok, whatever you say" approach
> probably seems sappy, wimpy, insincere, even manipulative. In
> my ftf life, pursuing clarity is seen as attempting to throw
> my intellectual weight around, hence manipulative.  Shifting back

I found this discussion really interesting.  I dub stbx, tstbtbx (the
sooner the better to be ex)

As for words-l, I think you've not only used the "ok whatever you say"
approach but also you've wound up APOLOGIZING as a way of backing out.
That has sure added to my impression that you're taking backtalk too
personally.

I suggest that you don't even need to express a backing out.  If you don't
want to reply to somebody, just drop it - adopt the aht approach, don't
reply since it just validates them!


Ann

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> On 5 May 2003 at 13:55, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Oh-oh.  HP did not get a very good report, although
> > they didn't list my particular model.
>
> If you bought the 5550 or one of its variants and use the
> (expensive) recommended HP paper, then you've got as good as it
> gets these days. A predicted 70 years or so (obviously no one has
> actually done an empirical study).
>
>    mem

I got the 7350.    The supply of photo paper I already
had is not HP, but it says to use with HP printer
(or Canon, etc.)  It will print 4 x 6's, but damned if
I can figure out how to do it.

                  - D. M.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:32 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>On Mon, 5 May 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West
>Chester, PA. It
>>is
>>about 10 miles west of of where we currently live and 35 miles west of
>>Philadelphia. We hope to move in mid-june. Much packing to do
>and finding a
>>mover.
>
>YaY! Let me know if you'd like a hand with the big move.
>
>Great news about Heide.
>
>-rashmi
>
>

Thanks, we are going move some stuff, but the movers are moving the big
items.


alec

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        Playing Scrabble last night, I spelled "jostles" (on a triple-word) for 42
points.  I had an E in my rack too (the other E was already on the board), so I
could have spelled "jostlees" (people/things that are being jostled), but my
wife wasn't sure that was really a word.  But this would have put the J on a
double-letter and scored me the 50-point bonus for using all my tiles, for a
total of 119.  What do you think?  Is "jostlees" a word?

--
Take care,
Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
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= > bunch of foot surgery.  So she could make it to the other
= > upstairs bathroom for tea and soup which had already been brought
= > up.
=
= Ah. This sounds like a good solution for her.
=
= Karen

Yeah, that and my dad the sometimes house elf.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Heide and I are homeowners. We bought a townhouse in West Chester, PA. It is

CONGRATULATIONS!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >Or you can ask Pete or Paul--I bet they both know a lot about it.
>
> And Mary.

    Oh, brother.
    At least you didn't mention that today is the anniversary of that
tragic naval accident. Gracias.
    ("Anyone remember the Great Folk Music Scare of the sixties?  That
was close.  That shit nearly caught on!"    - Martin Mull)

JMW

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 08:53 PM 5/4/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
> >>For about the last hour I've been having these feelings that Alyce is
> >>gone.  My vibes of that kind are sometimes wrong, of course.  Is anybody
> >>else feeling them?     -- Natalie
> >
> >Yes, I am.   But perhaps it is only because I've been praying and asked two
> >ex-nun friends to pray with me that the good Lord hurry things along a
> >bit.  Perhaps He listens to us former Brides of Christ.  I hope so.
> >
> >
> >    --bonniev
>
> I had the same vibes, right around the same time.

Me, too. I keep looking for a message from Jeff and have been telling
myself he's busy making arrangements.  I've been praying that Alyce have
a merciful release off and on all day.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tom Lee wrote:

>could have spelled "jostlees" (people/things that are being jostled), but my
>wife wasn't sure that was really a word.  But this would have put the J on a
>double-letter and scored me the 50-point bonus for using all my tiles, for a
>total of 119.  What do you think?  Is "jostlees" a word?

The OED online has
jostle
jostlement
jostler, justler
jostling, justling

Bethany

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> As Tushar noted, blosxom might be a good fit for you.  It's simple and

Hmm.  I've now got it but am not sure what I'm supposed to do with it.
I went to the blosxom site and downloaded it.  When I clicked on it,
Windows said it didn't know how to open the file and asked whether I
wanted it to find something on the web to use for it.  I said yes, and
it came back then and told me it was a cgi file and that it could be
opened with Notepad.  So I opened it with Notepad and got this:

#!/usr/bin/perl

# Blosxom
# Author: Rael Dornfest <rael@oreilly.com>
# Version: 1.2
# Home/Docs/Licensing: http://www.raelity.org/apps/blosxom/

# --- Configurable variables -----

# What's this blog's title?
my $blog_title = "My Blosxom";

# What's this blog's description (for outgoing RSS feed)?
my $blog_description = "Yet another Blosxom blog.";

# What's this blog's primary language (for outgoing RSS feed)?
my
... etc.

I gather I'm supposed to put it on the server?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On 5 May 2003 at 14:52, Doris Markland wrote:

> It will print 4 x 6's, but damned if I can figure out how to do it.

Depends on the software you're using.

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bonniev wrote:

> No, no.  Don't uninstall.   Open up the Norton Antivirus by double clicking
> on the little symbol down in your tray on the right.  Then double click

What does that symbol look like?  I used to have a little computer
symbol down there, but ever since I turned on the computer yesterday(?)
and got a serious-looking message about recovery from a <serious
problem>, I haven't had anything down on that bottom line except my
bellsouth symbol and the time (and over on the left corner "start").  I
wonder why the little computer symbol vanished.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> The OED online has
> jostle
> jostlement
> jostler, justler
> jostling, justling

        It's not looking good for those jostlees.  Thank you, Bethany!

--
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Tom Lee <flint@kiva.net>
You probably don't get much more authoritative than the OED

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
> them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
> my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
> having foot problems.

I think I've said before that I would like to have a 2-story house but
that I would not consider one unless it had a full bath downstairs, with
something that could serve as an emergency bedroom -- iow, a reasonably
convenient way to live downstairs if I got sick or injured.

Did I mention that that house I loved in Bay St. Louis is gone?  I'm
sad.  I was thinking about going down there again and seeing what they
might be willing to accept for it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Some people feel that having steps forces them to become better at
> > them. I felt that it was something I didn't want to push; I remember
> > my friend Suzanne having to crawl up 3 flights of steps when she was
> > having foot problems.
>
> I think I've said before that I would like to have a 2-story house but
> that I would not consider one unless it had a full bath downstairs, with
> something that could serve as an emergency bedroom -- iow, a reasonably
> convenient way to live downstairs if I got sick or injured.
>
> Did I mention that that house I loved in Bay St. Louis is gone?  I'm
> sad.  I was thinking about going down there again and seeing what they
> might be willing to accept for it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

That's a shame. It sounded like a really neat place.

My sister's house in Kiln, on the other hand, is
being handled by the company now - she couldn't wait for it to sell
any longer. It has handmade cabinets and drawers in the kitchen,
which I drool over every time I think about them - my bil is a
fine furniture cabinetmaker, and built them exactly to her specs.

clo

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 3:31:13 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> My sister's house in Kiln, on the other hand, is
> being handled by the company now - she couldn't wait for it to sell
> any longer. It has handmade cabinets and drawers in the kitchen,
> which I drool over every time I think about them - my bil is a
> fine furniture cabinetmaker, and built them exactly to her specs.

A friend recently redid their house (with an inheritance), and I love
their kitchen cabinets/drawers--from Home Depot. It made me want to go
home and start ripping my kitchen up, which would be beyond foolish.

Karen

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Jeff wrote:

> you may need to recalibrate your vibes. :-)

Vibes are indeed strange things.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
>>  Put your birth date in the box.  A little perspective for ya.
>>
>>  http://www.frontiernet.net/~cdm/age1.html
>
>
>

Interesting.


alec

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>What do you think?  Is "jostlees" a word?
>Tom Lee

Nope.  The official Scrabble dictionary does not recognize it as a playable
word.


    --bonniev

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So - I am not going to Sydney - I have used enough of my Finland ticket
credit to keep the rest for a year (and of course paid my $150 fee for
changing a ticket) - I have $700+ in the bank. I wish United flew to
Spain. But, as I said, I may get there via Paris. The tickets to Europe
for next Spring are very expensive right now, so I am glad I have another
year in which to spend the bucks. I did not know I would be able to do
that until I booked the first ticket.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> So - I am not going to Sydney - I have used enough of my Finland ticket
> credit to keep the rest for a year (and of course paid my $150 fee for
> changing a ticket) - I have $700+ in the bank. I wish United flew to
> Spain. But, as I said, I may get there via Paris. The tickets to Europe
> for next Spring are very expensive right now, so I am glad I have another
> year in which to spend the bucks. I did not know I would be able to do
> that until I booked the first ticket.
>
> Bethany

Phew, that worked out, then.

I was very curious about the process.
Glad to see they used common sense in building the procedure.
clo

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>
> > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
>There is a Mormon joke about a soldier who carried the Book of
>Mormon in his shirt pocket, and was shot in the chest. Though he
>was knocked off his feet, he was otherwise unharmed; and opening
>the book, he discovered that the bullet headed for his heart had
>been lodged midway through the book.
>
>"Whew" the soldier exclaimed, "It couldn't get through 2d Nehmi
>either!"
>
>clo

I sent the joke to my sister-in-law, who is a lapsed Mormon, and with whom
I enjoy discussing early church history. Here is her response:

Thanks for the joke. 2nd Nephi is the book sort of like Deuteronomy in the
Old Testament. It details a lot of names and lineage and it's mostly about
battles and warnings. It's the book we all dreaded to see cycle around in
Sunday school lessons because it is so long and tedioius! I can remember
2nd Nephi 13:16-

"Moreover the Lord saith, because the daughters of Zion are haughty and
walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes and walking and mincing as
they go making a tinkling with their feet, the Lord will smite them with a
scab on the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion and will discover
their secret parts." We all thought that was kind of dirty and very very
funny, and got in trouble for giggling every time we had to read it. It was
one of the passages we memorized just because it was funny.

The creator of the joke HAD to be LDS 'cause no one else would get the
reference.

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Tom Lee wrote:

> You probably don't get much more authoritative than the OED

For Scrabble, you do -- I just cranked up my <official> computer
Scrabble with its <official> dictionary and looked up joslee:  "not a
valid word."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> That's a shame. It sounded like a really neat place.

It really was a neat house -- very old but totally redone, including
rewiring etc.  And lovingly made for the renovator's son, with wood from
the original house built into things, etc. etc.  Also a very good
location.

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>
>Hi, Jeff. I am so happy that you had another chance to spend time
>with Alyce. Thanks for letting us know how things are going.
>Are you able to get much sleep, or are you up and down in the night
>with her?
>
>clo

I'd been trying to sleep on a chaise in the room with her which was too
short and was not getting any sleep, so last night I inflated a giant air
mattress on the floor and got a great 7 hours--probably more than I've had
the last three days combined. The nurse has sworn off making predictions
about how long she could last, but when she pressed him on the issue today,
he went out on a limb and said "one or two days, maybe even today." The
last food she had was a half cup of Marie's soup, last Wednesday.

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On 5 May 2003 at 15:19, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Hmm.  I've now got it but am not sure what I'm supposed to do with it.

You should read the installation instructions on the Web site from
which you got it.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> >>  Put your birth date in the box.  A little perspective for ya.
> >>
> >>  http://www.frontiernet.net/~cdm/age1.html

16 years old when Hawaii was admitted as 50th of the United States

No wonder I have trouble remembering that Hawaii and Alaska are states.
I didn't remember the exact dates but knew that it was after my
<formative years>.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> The tickets to Europe
> for next Spring are very expensive right now, so I am glad I have another
> year in which to spend the bucks.

Check in January.  That's about when the through-March or
through-mid-March bargains usually show up.

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>> So - I am not going to Sydney - I have used enough of my Finland ticket
>> credit to keep the rest for a year (and of course paid my $150 fee for
>> changing a ticket) - I have $700+ in the bank. I wish United flew to
>> Spain. But, as I said, I may get there via Paris. The tickets to Europe
>> for next Spring are very expensive right now, so I am glad I have another
>> year in which to spend the bucks. I did not know I would be able to do
>> that until I booked the first ticket.
>
>Phew, that worked out, then.
>
>I was very curious about the process.
>Glad to see they used common sense in building the procedure.

Clo, at one point, I thought I could exchange the single Finland
ticket for 4-5 individual tickets - and I tried to. Usually there is a cap
of ONE, I found one. But my travel agent says they get a break - I could
have TWO. BUT - the rest of the money has to be spent on a single ticket,
preferably one that costs more than the $700+ - so I will have to plan
carefully. I have not asked yet whether I could use it for an ungrade if I
have funds available.

Bethany

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>
> >Subject: Gladiator?
> >
> >
> >Didn't this movie win Academy Awards? It really sucks.
> >
> >Karen
> >
>
>I thought it was a good movie.
>
>alec

Glad to hear that, Alec. I thought I was the only one in the world who
thought it was very entertaining (although historically inaccurate).

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> You should read the installation instructions on the Web site from
> which you got it.

They say to put it in your "your cgi directory," which supposedly
c:\Inetpub\wwwroot directory.  I have no Inetpub in my c:\.  Here's all
I have:

 Directory of C:\

09/20/2001  08:25 AM                 0 AUTOEXEC.BAT
01/01/2002  03:09 PM    <DIR>          Compaq
09/20/2001  08:25 AM                 0 CONFIG.SYS
01/02/2002  12:33 PM    <DIR>          Corel
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Monday, May 5, 2003, 4:22:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tom Lee wrote:

>> You probably don't get much more authoritative than the OED

> For Scrabble, you do -- I just cranked up my <official> computer
> Scrabble with its <official> dictionary and looked up joslee:  "not a
> valid word."

But it was 'jostlee'.

Karen

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On 5 May 2003 at 16:40, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> They say to put it in your "your cgi directory," which supposedly
> c:\Inetpub\wwwroot directory.  I have no Inetpub in my c:\.  Here's all I
> have:

You put it in the cgi directory on the system on which your Web
site resides. In this case, probably your ISP's system (unless
you're running your own Web server on your Windows system). If your
ISP doesn't allow you to run your own cgi scripts, it might not
work.

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>
>NOW I read on the box "Resists fading twice as
>long as most traditionally processed photos."
>That scares me.  I had never thought of photos
>fading.  And what do they consider traditionally
>processed photos.
>
>               - D. M.

Don't you have any photos from the '70s that are all red or all blue
because the one of the dyes has begun to fail? It's a common problem,
particularly if they've been exposed to light and air. But inkjet ink is
much more stable. If you kept it in an album, I bet it would be almost as
bright a hundred years from now.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 4:39:13 PM, Jeff wrote:
> Glad to hear that, Alec. I thought I was the only one in the world who
> thought it was very entertaining (although historically inaccurate).

Maybe it's a boy thing.:)

Karen

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>Oh-oh.  HP did not get a very good report, although
>they didn't list my particular model.
>
>                             - D. M.

I like Epson Stylus Photo myself--use it at home and work. And I ONLY use
Konica paper...it's the absolute best!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> 05/05/2003  04:37 PM                 0 temp.txt

That, of course, is the file I created to be able to capture the
directory holdings -- as in dir > temp.txt

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Scrabble with its <official> dictionary and looked up joslee:  "not a
> > valid word."
>
> But it was 'jostlee'.

I know.  The above was a typo.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> If your
> ISP doesn't allow you to run your own cgi scripts, it might not
> work.

I feel sure Tim would allow it, but I don't like to be <pushy> like
asking about things like that since my account is free.  I've told him I
should be paying something, but he says no, don't worry about it.

Anyway, I am still thinking that just doing the blog with vi sounds like
the best bet, though I may play with blogger for a while longer before
deciding.

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At 04:34 PM 5/5/2003, you wrote:
> >
> >>  Put your birth date in the box.  A little perspective for ya.
> >>
> >>  http://www.frontiernet.net/~cdm/age1.html
> >
>Interesting.
>
>alec

Interesting indeed. On the part that tells how old you were when various
events happened, I found that I had clear specific memories of each of the
events (such as what I was doing at the time) except for the ones when I
was 1 and 2 (Hawaii becoming a state and Sputnik being launched). Did
others find the same thing?

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At 05:57 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:

>Interesting indeed. On the part that tells how old you were when various
>events happened, I found that I had clear specific memories of each of the
>events (such as what I was doing at the time) except for the ones when I
>was 1 and 2 (Hawaii becoming a state and Sputnik being launched). Did
>others find the same thing?

All but the first (Pearl Harbor)---which I remember vaguely, but not as an
event or string of events as much as a sense of tension/foreboding---which
I probably got from my parents and grandmother.

cwv

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On 5 May 2003 at 17:51, Jeff wrote:

> I like Epson Stylus Photo myself--use it at home and work. And I ONLY use
> Konica paper...it's the absolute best!

I have two Epsons that I like very much (a 900 and a 1270). They
can produce beautiful results, but the Epson software rather gets
in the way when trying to set them up to run on printservers on a
network.

Ink formulations and paper types affect longevity as does storage
conditions. There is some interesting material on logevity at:

http://www.wilhelm-research.com/


   mem

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Jeff wrote:
>
> >
> > > Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> >There is a Mormon joke about a soldier who carried the Book of
> >Mormon in his shirt pocket, and was shot in the chest. Though he
> >was knocked off his feet, he was otherwise unharmed; and opening
> >the book, he discovered that the bullet headed for his heart had
> >been lodged midway through the book.
> >
> >"Whew" the soldier exclaimed, "It couldn't get through 2d Nehmi
> >either!"
> >
> >clo
>
> I sent the joke to my sister-in-law, who is a lapsed Mormon, and with whom
> I enjoy discussing early church history. Here is her response:
>
> Thanks for the joke. 2nd Nephi is the book sort of like Deuteronomy in the
> Old Testament. It details a lot of names and lineage and it's mostly about
> battles and warnings. It's the book we all dreaded to see cycle around in
> Sunday school lessons because it is so long and tedioius! I can remember
> 2nd Nephi 13:16-
>
> "Moreover the Lord saith, because the daughters of Zion are haughty and
> walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes and walking and mincing as
> they go making a tinkling with their feet, the Lord will smite them with a
> scab on the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion and will discover
> their secret parts." We all thought that was kind of dirty and very very
> funny, and got in trouble for giggling every time we had to read it. It was
> one of the passages we memorized just because it was funny.
>
> The creator of the joke HAD to be LDS 'cause no one else would get the
> reference.

Yes, it was an old joke, which was making the rounds of Mormon
soldiers in Vietnam - it was the husband of the household with whom I
was living, a VVet, who told it on an occasion when I was complaining
about the turgidity of some sections of the book.

clo

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A Bush-Bush debate:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3241.htm

--
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Jeff wrote:

> Interesting indeed. On the part that tells how old you were when various
> events happened, I found that I had clear specific memories of each of the
> events (such as what I was doing at the time) except for the ones when I
> was 1 and 2 (Hawaii becoming a state and Sputnik being launched). Did
> others find the same thing?

I did in many cases but not in all.  I don't have a particular memory of
the introduction of the Mac, for example.  And re the end of the Korean
War, I do remember the war fairly well (as in certain things that a
child would happen to notice about it), but I don't know that I remember
its end specifically.  And I don't remember Hiroshima, although I do
remember some other things from when I was two.  Re OJ Simpson, I
remember when his case was major news, but I don't have any particular
association with when he was charged with murder.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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I'm not getting Jeff's messages, but I am getting the replies to
his messages.  What address are you using Jeff, so I can
raise Hell with AOL?

Evelyn Duncan
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Monday, May 5, 2003, 5:26:37 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I'm not getting Jeff's messages, but I am getting the replies to
> his messages.  What address are you using Jeff, so I can
> raise Hell with AOL?

oldertwin@hotpop.com

Karen

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>Don't you have any photos from the '70s that are all red or all blue
>because the one of the dyes has begun to fail?

I have photos from the '70s and not a one is like that.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 05/05/2003 5:29:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
oldertwin@hotpop.com
>>

There was a zagnut.hotpop.com listed in my mail controls, so I took
it out.  Maybe now I'll start getting messages.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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From: Jeff <oldertwin@hotpop.com>
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>  Re OJ Simpson, I
>remember when his case was major news, but I don't have any particular
>association with when he was charged with murder.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I remember I was stripping paint from the woodwork in the hallway when the
bulletin came over the radio. I was absolutely stunned.

It's so hard now to think of O.J. in anything but very negative terms, but
he used to be a real role model. I have a Disney book that he was featured
in called "White Rabbits Can't Jump." Probably be a collector's item one day.

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Subject: Re:      Re: Help Again
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:10:29 -0500
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> >NOW I read on the box "Resists fading twice as
> >long as most traditionally processed photos."
> >That scares me.  I had never thought of photos
> >fading.  And what do they consider traditionally
> >processed photos.
> >
> >               - D. M.
>
> Don't you have any photos from the '70s that are all red or all blue
> because the one of the dyes has begun to fail? It's a common problem,
> particularly if they've been exposed to light and air. But inkjet ink
is
> much more stable. If you kept it in an album, I bet it would be almost
as
> bright a hundred years from now.

Yes.  My photos from the 70's and maybe a few other
decades are fading badly.  In much better condition are
family pictures taken at the turn of the century.  They're
not in color, of course, but the sepia is gorgeous, and
the detail sharp.

After spending hours getting the new printer set up and
software installed, etc., I printed out my first picture.
It was horrible.  The ink ran all over and the picture was
one big blur.  I went back to the store and asked what I
had done wrong . . and got a very simple answer.  I had
printed on the wrong side of the photo paper.  A logical
mistake because the paper goes into this tray just the
opposite of the way it went into my old Canon.

So just now I got my first good sharp picture.
Now the fun begins.  I am hoping to put together a
family history with text and pictures for the kids
for Xmas.
                       - D. M.

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> >Oh-oh.  HP did not get a very good report, although
> >they didn't list my particular model.
> >
> >                             - D. M.
>
> I like Epson Stylus Photo myself--use it at home and work. And I ONLY
use
> Konica paper...it's the absolute best!

Well now you tell me!  I did look at an Epson briefly.

                   - D. M.

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Jeff wrote:
>
> >  Re OJ Simpson, I
> >remember when his case was major news, but I don't have any particular
> >association with when he was charged with murder.
> >
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
> I remember I was stripping paint from the woodwork in the hallway when the
> bulletin came over the radio. I was absolutely stunned.
>
> It's so hard now to think of O.J. in anything but very negative terms, but
> he used to be a real role model. I have a Disney book that he was featured
> in called "White Rabbits Can't Jump." Probably be a collector's item one day.

He sure was - we all looked up to him. It was almost a local pride
in our case, since my brother's best friend claimed to be his cousin -
my brothers and Ricky spent hours practicing basketball moves together.

*sigh* Ricky hung himself at 16, after we moved away, and his (white)
girlfriend's father told him not to come around any more. It didn't
seem possible that OJ's cousin, whom we thought had been touched by
his magic, could be dead. And the news that OJ was suspected of
violence brought the same kind of shock - Not *Ricky* - Not *OJ*!
My life was so much more about sports and cars back then, too, so
I probably imbibed much more of the mystique than I would have later,
once I finally became girlified...to some extent.

clo

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It's a POP server called hotpop.com. Supposed to be quite reliable, though
I find messages often get hung up for long periods of time. I suspect it's
an overloaded server or something. Have you gotten any of my messages? It
could be the AOL has put a filter on hotpop to protect against spammers.
Please raise hell!

At 06:26 PM 5/5/2003, you wrote:
>I'm not getting Jeff's messages, but I am getting the replies to
>his messages.  What address are you using Jeff, so I can
>raise Hell with AOL?
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> The tickets to Europe >> for next Spring are very expensive right now,
so I am glad I have another >> year in which to spend the bucks.

>Check in January.  That's about when the through-March or
>through-mid-March bargains usually show up.

Thanks - I am making a note to do so.

Bethany

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At 07:23 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>It's a POP server called hotpop.com. Supposed to be quite reliable, though
>I find messages often get hung up for long periods of time. I suspect it's
>an overloaded server or something. Have you gotten any of my messages? It
>could be the AOL has put a filter on hotpop to protect against spammers.
>Please raise hell!

As far as I know, nobody else is having a problem.  I guess that if you
subscribe to AOL, you pay for your thrills...

cwv

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I did in many cases but not in all.  I don't have a particular memory of
>the introduction of the Mac, for example.  And re the end of the Korean
[etc.].

I remember when it was announced on the radio that FDR was dead - I was
the only person in the house. Everyone else was out in the yard. I went
out and told everybody. I remember the introduction of the Mac (AND the
Osborne-1). I remember exactly where I was when the O.J. verdict was
announced - I was on a treadmill in Phoenix. [Etc.]

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I remember when it was announced on the radio that FDR was dead - I was
> the only person in the house. Everyone else was out in the yard. I went

I was out in the yard.  But I don't remember it.  I remember my mother
telling me later that she had come out into the yard, where I was
playing, and told me that I would read about this day in history books
someday.

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Well, we did not have tornadoes, but we had everything else a storm can
bring - lightning, flooding rains, generally doom and gloom. I told my
morning exam students that I had emailed God last night asking for
appropriate weather for exam week. Some thought I got what I asked
for. Others thought I must have sent my request to the wrong address.

And there are memorial services for parishioners who have died recently
at St. John's almost every day this week - two on Thursday.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Well, we did not have tornadoes, but we had everything else a storm can
> bring - lightning, flooding rains, generally doom and gloom. I told my
> morning exam students that I had emailed God last night asking for
> appropriate weather for exam week. Some thought I got what I asked
> for. Others thought I must have sent my request to the wrong address.
>
> And there are memorial services for parishioners who have died recently
> at St. John's almost every day this week - two on Thursday.
>
> Bethany

I am really sorry to hear this. I was wondering if anyone I knew was
in the storms' path(s). Sorry to hear about the rash of funerals as
well. Were any friends of yours?

clo

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I was poking around the web looking at Bay St. Louis stuff, feeling sad
that <my house> was sold.  But I started looking at some hurricane
pictures and thought maybe it's really not a good place to live.  Here's
one of Pass Christian, the town just across the bridge from Bay St.
Louis:

http://www.harrison.lib.ms.us/images/camille/fh-001.jpg

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Here's a before-after picture of an Episcopal Church in Pass Christian:

http://www.harrison.lib.ms.us/images/camille/c-038.jpg

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Speaking of miserable weather, Sylvia, I can't remember
exactly which town you live in.  Did you escape the worst of
the storms?  We only got thunder and lightening last night.



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My MS Internet Explorer suddenly started showing all the web pages with gigantic fonts. What causes this and how do I change it back to the way it was? I haven't knowingly changed any accessability features or other font-related settings.

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Here's a before-after picture of an Episcopal Church in Pass Christian:
>
>http://www.harrison.lib.ms.us/images/camille/c-038.jpg

Whoa!

Bethany

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>I am really sorry to hear this. I was wondering if anyone I knew was
>in the storms' path(s). Sorry to hear about the rash of funerals as
>well. Were any friends of yours?

Thanks, Clo. Yes - they were all friends, most for many yeare. Tomorrow
is Clif - he sang in the Cathedral Choir until he was 98! He did a good
job, too!

Bethany

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I just had a somewhat surprising conversation with a Comcast employee.
She was calling to pitch their internet service, about which I have heard
many good things. I told her that when I buy my residence, I will probably
go with them. She said, "Oh, when you call, be sure you ask what specials
are on. They won't tell you unless you ask, but if you ask, you will
probably get a good deal - no installation, reduced fees for a few months,
etc." I'll remember that.

Bethany

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At 08:45 PM 5/5/2003, you wrote:
>My MS Internet Explorer suddenly started showing all the web pages with
>gigantic fonts. What causes this and how do I change it back to the way it
>was? I haven't knowingly changed any accessability features or other
>font-related settings.
>
>-aht


Try going to View/Text Size.

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 7:36:32 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> I just had a somewhat surprising conversation with a Comcast employee.
> She was calling to pitch their internet service, about which I have heard
> many good things. I told her that when I buy my residence, I will probably
> go with them. She said, "Oh, when you call, be sure you ask what specials
> are on. They won't tell you unless you ask, but if you ask, you will
> probably get a good deal - no installation, reduced fees for a few months,
> etc." I'll remember that.

Why is this surprising?

Karen

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 7:45:13 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> My MS Internet Explorer suddenly started showing all the web pages
> with gigantic fonts. What causes this and how do I change it back to
> the way it was? I haven't knowingly changed any accessability
> features or other font-related settings.

Could be a side-effect of a virus.

Karen

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02003-05-05 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I feel sure Tim would allow it, but I don't like to be <pushy> like
> asking about things like that since my account is free.  I've told him I
> should be paying something, but he says no, don't worry about it.

Then ask him if he'd allow it.

Oops, that would be pushy. My bad! Let's remain in a steady state
and work with Blogger.

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Netscape does this on my computer after a hard crash.  It
goes away with a reboot.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, May 5, 2003, 7:45:13 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
>
>>My MS Internet Explorer suddenly started showing all the web pages
>>with gigantic fonts. What causes this and how do I change it back to
>>the way it was? I haven't knowingly changed any accessability
>>features or other font-related settings.
>>
>
> Could be a side-effect of a virus.
>
> Karen
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 09:19 PM 5/5/2003, you wrote:
>Also, she suggested that you try sending a test message to me
>directly.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?


No AOL messages, but I'll try to send you a direct message.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I feel sure Tim would allow it, but I don't like to be <pushy> like
> > asking about things like that since my account is free.  I've told him I
> > should be paying something, but he says no, don't worry about it.
>
> Then ask him if he'd allow it.

I could put it on one of my other websites, of course.  Like Ra.  I
guess I also have web space at BellSouth.  I haven't had occasion to use
it -- and I think you can't log onto the server, which means I wouldn't
know how to use it anyway.

> Oops, that would be pushy. My bad! Let's remain in a steady state
> and work with Blogger.

Bloxsom sounded like too much trouble.  I will either keep using blogger
or change to just adding entries to an ordinary webpage, which is
sounding more and more like the most efficient way to do a blog.

Meanwhile, where have you been?  What interesting adventures have you
had since you were last here?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 05/05/2003 7:46:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
They won't tell you unless you ask, but if you ask, you will
probably get a good deal - no installation, reduced fees for a few months,
etc." I'll remember that.

>>

It's like that commercial for the "buy one, get one free pizza." You have
to mention the offer to get the free one.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Monday, May 5, 2003, 7:36:32 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> I just had a somewhat surprising conversation with a Comcast employee.
>> She was calling to pitch their internet service, about which I have heard
>> many good things. I told her that when I buy my residence, I will probably
>> go with them. She said, "Oh, when you call, be sure you ask what specials
>> are on. They won't tell you unless you ask, but if you ask, you will
>> probably get a good deal - no installation, reduced fees for a few months,
>> etc." I'll remember that.
>
>Why is this surprising?

In my expeience, few marketers tell us voluntarily about hidden
specials. They generally use them to lure us, not to reward us once we
have already decided to become their customers.

Bethany

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> Glad to hear that, Alec. I thought I was the only one in the world who
> thought it was very entertaining (although historically inaccurate).

I liked it as entertainment.

Right now I'm reading a very tedious book about Caesar's legions that I
can't wait to give back to the lender.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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I was just watching the most disgusting Fear Factor ever (my guilty
pleasure). The contestant was in a tank of water to the neck and they
dumped a load of dead mice on top of her into the tank. Then she had to
grab as many soggy mice with her mouth as possible in the allotted time and
drop them outside the tank.

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The AOL tech wants to know if AOL sends you any error message
when you send mail to the list.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Also, she suggested that you try sending a test message to me
directly.

Evelyn Duncan
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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On a whim, I stopped at Whole Foods today.  I skipped the
olive bar since I have a bunch of olives I haven't eaten yet
in the house already.  Among other things, I bought a
scandalously expensive brick of British cheddar.  It is
wonderful and pungent and full of flavor.  I can't spend
this kind of money on food very often, but it is so worth it
now and then.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> At least you didn't mention that today is the anniversary of that
> tragic naval accident. Gracias.

'Swhy it's called sinko-de Mayo.

Ouch.

--
Richard                price/eustachy in 2004

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In a message dated 05/05/2003 6:49:56 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:

<<
As far as I know, nobody else is having a problem.  I guess that if you
subscribe to AOL, you pay for your thrills...

>>

Well, I tried another service:  Wave 3 Communications.  Last month,
it suspended my service because it said that my credit card had
declined payment, but I was charged the $17.95 on April 1st.  Then,
it charged the balance of the one-year contract ($161.55).  Now, it
charged me the May payment of $17.95.  I called Wave 3 to find out
what has been going on.  The tech guy called me back today to say
that his supervisor has not been back with him.  I called my credit
card to dispute the charge, and Capital One is sending me a form
to fill out.  I wonder if I can get out of the contract due to their
actions.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:55:40 -0400
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> in the house already.  Among other things, I bought a
> scandalously expensive brick of British cheddar.  It is
> wonderful and pungent and full of flavor.

I bought a huge block of Cabot Cheddar at Costco a few weeks ago. What a
mistake. Delicious, but so crumbly that it's a real pain to eat. (I think it
was $6 for 2 pounds of Chairman's Extra Reserve Private Stock or whatever.)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 8:18:38 PM, Jeff wrote:
> I was just watching the most disgusting Fear Factor ever (my guilty
> pleasure). The contestant was in a tank of water to the neck and they
> dumped a load of dead mice on top of her into the tank. Then she had to
> grab as many soggy mice with her mouth as possible in the allotted time and
> drop them outside the tank.

I saw the previews for that--I can't believe you actually watched it!

Karen

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Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:39:57 -0500
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Monday, May 5, 2003, 8:32:40 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Monday, May 5, 2003, 7:36:32 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>> I just had a somewhat surprising conversation with a Comcast employee.
>>> She was calling to pitch their internet service, about which I have heard
>>> many good things. I told her that when I buy my residence, I will probably
>>> go with them. She said, "Oh, when you call, be sure you ask what specials
>>> are on. They won't tell you unless you ask, but if you ask, you will
>>> probably get a good deal - no installation, reduced fees for a few months,
>>> etc." I'll remember that.
>>
>>Why is this surprising?

> In my expeience, few marketers tell us voluntarily about hidden
> specials. They generally use them to lure us, not to reward us once we
> have already decided to become their customers.

In case you haven't noticed, the economy sucks. Companies are doing
all kinds of things to keep customers.

Karen

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 8:55:40 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I bought a huge block of Cabot Cheddar at Costco a few weeks ago. What a
> mistake. Delicious, but so crumbly that it's a real pain to eat. (I think it
> was $6 for 2 pounds of Chairman's Extra Reserve Private Stock or whatever.)

This is the tragedy of Cheddar. But melted, it's wonderful.

Karen

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Have you ever knit any toe-up socks?

Karen

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>Have you ever knit any toe-up socks?
>Karen

No, I haven't.  But I have knitted neck-down sweaters.


    --bonniev

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Then ask him if he'd allow it.
>
> Oops, that would be pushy. My bad! Let's remain in a steady state
> and work with Blogger.
>

Tushar's back!
clo

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >Have you ever knit any toe-up socks?
> >Karen
>
> No, I haven't.  But I have knitted neck-down sweaters.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>
I love neck-down sweaters. They fit!
clo

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>
> I suggest that you don't even need to express a backing out.  If you don't
> want to reply to somebody, just drop it - adopt the aht approach, don't
> reply since it just validates them!
>

Ann, thanks for very practical advice
clo

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Thanks, Jeff, that was it. Simple when you know the answer :-)

-aht

----- Original Message -----
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> At 08:45 PM 5/5/2003, you wrote:
> >My MS Internet Explorer suddenly started showing all the web pages with
> >gigantic fonts. What causes this and how do I change it back to the way
it
> >was? I haven't knowingly changed any accessability features or other
> >font-related settings.
> >
> >-aht
>
>
> Try going to View/Text Size.
>

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Monday, May 5, 2003, 10:01:34 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> >Have you ever knit any toe-up socks?
>> >Karen
>>
>> No, I haven't.  But I have knitted neck-down sweaters.
>>
>>
>>     --bonniev
>>
> I love neck-down sweaters. They fit!

I saw a pattern for finger-down gloves.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Speaking of miserable weather, Sylvia, I can't remember
> exactly which town you live in.  Did you escape the worst of
> the storms?  We only got thunder and lightening last night.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

The Kansas City action stayed north of us.  The central Missouri mess
was southeast of us.
All we got was lots of rain, thunder and lightning.  Folks just west of
us also had hail.

Right now, another batch is moving through Kansas and heading this way.
--
Sylvia Edwards
who lives in Lee's Summit

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>> I have 609 msgs unread and was just thinking whether I might delete the
>> Survivor-thread with many messages unread in it when this message came.
>
>No, I may not. I just found that there is much to read.
>
>Good night for today.
>
>Kristin

I don't know how many messages I am behind.  From last a week ago Monday to
last Sunday I put in 60 hours at work, many of them unplanned, and --
unwordslerish as it may be -- I am only up to the middle of last Sunday in
my words-l reading.

I rarely delete messages unread, largely on account of Hill's Observation
(first stated, in a somewhat different form, by Norman Hill), which may be
stated as follows:

     On Words-L, it's difficult to tell the difference between
     signal and noise.

Ken Miller
Alighieri School of Comedic Studies

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Natalie Maynor:
= Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > 05/05/2003  04:37 PM                 0 temp.txt
=
= That, of course, is the file I created to be able to capture the
= directory holdings -- as in dir > temp.txt
=

I am shocked and amazed at how tidy you are and your oh so
logical naming convention as well as your command of DOS.  NOT.

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02003-05-05 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Then ask him if he'd allow it.
> >
> > Oops, that would be pushy. My bad! Let's remain in a steady state
> > and work with Blogger.
>
> Tushar's back!

What about it? "You got it" or something?

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Natalie Maynor:
= "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
=
= > If your
= > ISP doesn't allow you to run your own cgi scripts, it might not
= > work.
=
= I feel sure Tim would allow it, but I don't like to be <pushy> like
= asking about things like that since my account is free.  I've told him I
= should be paying something, but he says no, don't worry about it.
=

This is not being pushy.  This is like not having /usr/bin in
your path and not realizing that you can use mail on the system.
Tim, if he is an at all reasonable system administrator, will
have already decided the policy as to whether the lusers may run their
own cgi scripts.  If you send Tim an email telling him that you
want to run a cgi script based blog and want to know where to put
the script, he will tell you the directory.

Also, you're doing a lousy job of reading instructions.  The
installation page,
http://www.raelity.org/apps/blosxom/install.shtml
tells you one likely candidate for a location for running it
under unix.  But you will never know until you ask.

= Anyway, I am still thinking that just doing the blog with vi sounds like
= the best bet, though I may play with blogger for a while longer before
= deciding.

Why?  It's obvious that you and Blogger don't get along.
Tushar's done you the favor of pointing you to a piece of
software where you can edit the entire configuration in vi
and edit the weblog in vi.  And you don't even give him the
courtesy of trying it.

At it's most minimal, blogging is about presenting a log of
things in a visually consistent way.  All the things that you
notice that make your Blogger pages look off are still going to
be a problem with pages edited in vi.

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Another way to use vi would be to edit everything and then copy and
paste it into the "blogger textbox". But even this little a reliance
on the text box tells you much about the uselessness of ad hoc and
lame edit widgets. Much is made of how "easy" it is, for someone who
wants to think "only about his writing", but that brings me back to
my standard obsession--how serious of a writer are you anymore, if
you only have the most painfully laborious ways to reshape your
writing?

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Here is the thing: in a completely uncharacteristic move,
I have decided I will attend a friend's 50th birthday party.
Uncharacteristic because I would never go to any such lameness
involving a not very close friend, and I am doing it because
I think it will be an uncharacteristic party. We are talking
about a pretty colorful character, with all sorts of friends
from the newspaper world and the outer circles of city politics
and community life. And that's just one part of it. Heard of
the "strength of weak ties"? This is one of them linchpins
in person. Needless to say, I think there will be plenty
of interesting observations--and maybe a few interesting
conversations--to make. I particularly want to see if some
of the characters in the stories I have heard show up. And
now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
you kindly.

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Tushar Samant:
= now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
= you kindly.

When all else fails, a good bottle of wine.

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Tushar Samant writes,

>And now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank you kindly.

A book of cool photos?  A book about the history of Chicago?  Chicago
historical memorabilia from eBay <http://tinyurl.com/b2x8>?

Pete

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Tushar Samant:
= Another way to use vi would be to edit everything and then copy and
= paste it into the "blogger textbox". But even this little a reliance
= on the text box tells you much about the uselessness of ad hoc and
= lame edit widgets. Much is made of how "easy" it is, for someone who
= wants to think "only about his writing", but that brings me back to
= my standard obsession--how serious of a writer are you anymore, if
= you only have the most painfully laborious ways to reshape your
= writing?

But, Natalie's blog is not about writing, or even using something
that's "easy" so she can focus on writing.  And her desire to use
vi is just comfort, besides the fact that it just works.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, May 5, 2003, 8:55:40 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>>I bought a huge block of Cabot Cheddar at Costco a few weeks ago. What a
>>mistake. Delicious, but so crumbly that it's a real pain to eat. (I think it
>>was $6 for 2 pounds of Chairman's Extra Reserve Private Stock or whatever.)
>>
>
> This is the tragedy of Cheddar. But melted, it's wonderful.


        I don't mind crumbly.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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A bottle of booze.

-a

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> Here is the thing: in a completely uncharacteristic move,
> I have decided I will attend a friend's 50th birthday party.
> Uncharacteristic because I would never go to any such lameness
> involving a not very close friend, and I am doing it because
> I think it will be an uncharacteristic party. We are talking
> about a pretty colorful character, with all sorts of friends
> from the newspaper world and the outer circles of city politics
> and community life. And that's just one part of it. Heard of
> the "strength of weak ties"? This is one of them linchpins
> in person. Needless to say, I think there will be plenty
> of interesting observations--and maybe a few interesting
> conversations--to make. I particularly want to see if some
> of the characters in the stories I have heard show up. And
> now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
> you kindly.
>

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steph wrote:

> I am shocked and amazed at how tidy you are and your oh so
> logical naming convention as well as your command of DOS.  NOT.

? I don't pay much attention to what's in C:\ these days since they
aren't like the old days when it was a very important drive to me in
that I'm the one who created my autoexec.bat and config.sys and other
such important files.  Now those things seem to be beyond my control or
understanding.  So I basically ignore C:\.

Tidiness I can see since I haven't bothered to clean out some debris
that I noticed in that directory.  I'm not sure what you mean by
"command of DOS."  I use it for certain things but do not <live in it>
like in olden days.  And the commands I use are mainly ones from DOS 3.1
since those are the ones I remember.  But I'm curious about what "naming
conventions" you're referring to.

--
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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > I am shocked and amazed at how tidy you are and your oh so
= > logical naming convention as well as your command of DOS.  NOT.
=
= ? I don't pay much attention to what's in C:\ these days since they
= aren't like the old days when it was a very important drive to me in
= that I'm the one who created my autoexec.bat and config.sys and other
= such important files.  Now those things seem to be beyond my control or
= understanding.  So I basically ignore C:\.
=
= Tidiness I can see since I haven't bothered to clean out some debris
= that I noticed in that directory.  I'm not sure what you mean by
= "command of DOS."  I use it for certain things but do not <live in it>
= like in olden days.  And the commands I use are mainly ones from DOS 3.1
= since those are the ones I remember.  But I'm curious about what "naming
= conventions" you're referring to.


We're on two totally different planets.  Nevermind.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
> you kindly.

That's always a hard question for occasions of that kind, occasions when
some people give <regular> presents, some do gag gifts (which I normally
find stupid), and some do nothing.  How about something like a bottle of
wine?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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steph wrote:

> Tim, if he is an at all reasonable system administrator, will

He's a wonderful system administrator.

> have already decided the policy as to whether the lusers may run their
> own cgi scripts.

I'm not sure whether there are regular <customers> yet.  For the past
couple of years it's simply been his computer with a couple of us using
it as our ISP.  Recently, though, he said that he was about to turn it
into a real ISP, with paying customers.

> = Anyway, I am still thinking that just doing the blog with vi sounds like
> = the best bet, though I may play with blogger for a while longer before
> = deciding.
>
> Why?  It's obvious that you and Blogger don't get along.

I don't think that's true.  My only problem with Blogger is how there
seem to be mysterious delays between when I tell it to change something
and when the change is effected.  As far as <everyday use>, it's
extremely simple and straightforward.

> Tushar's done you the favor of pointing you to a piece of
> software where you can edit the entire configuration in vi
> and edit the weblog in vi.  And you don't even give him the
> courtesy of trying it.

I did download it.  It was after that that I decided it was probably too
complicated for a non-techy like me.

> At it's most minimal, blogging is about presenting a log of
> things in a visually consistent way.  All the things that you
> notice that make your Blogger pages look off are still going to
> be a problem with pages edited in vi.

Huh?  I don't get this at all.  As I said above, my only real complaint
about Blogger is about things like my telling it to change templates and
finding that it did so twelve hours later.  I agreed with you about the
<off> look of the narrow column in the middle of that one template, and
I said that the print seemed too small.  If I were doing my own pages, I
wouldn't have that column thing (since I wouldn't know how to create
it), and I would have the font size whatever I wanted it to be.  Hmm.
Interesting thought -- wonder what would happen if I were still using
that template with the small print if I simply did a
<fontsize="whatever"> at the beginning of each entry.  I used <H3> (I
think 3) on a couple of the early entries to give little titles, and
that worked fine.  But I'm back now to the original template and am
happy with its default print size.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Another way to use vi would be to edit everything and then copy and
> paste it into the "blogger textbox". But even this little a reliance
> on the text box tells you much about the uselessness of ad hoc and
> lame edit widgets. Much is made of how "easy" it is, for someone who
> wants to think "only about his writing", but that brings me back to
> my standard obsession--how serious of a writer are you anymore, if
> you only have the most painfully laborious ways to reshape your
> writing?

I must not have made clear what my Blogger questions/concerns were.
There's nothing at all complicated or distasteful about adding entries
-- about writing in the "textbox."  I have no reason to want to use vi
for that.

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steph wrote:

> But, Natalie's blog is not about writing, or even using something
> that's "easy" so she can focus on writing.  And her desire to use
> vi is just comfort, besides the fact that it just works.

It's not really so much about vi as it is about accessibility for
quick-fixes or whatever.  Iow, instead of having to go roaming across
the web and logging on to a distant site and making changes that might
or might not take effect immediately, I could simply go to my own server
and take care of the thing.  (Yes, I realize that Blogger allows ftp'ing
to your own server.  But I'm not quite sure that would solve the
problems I'm talking about.)

In a way, this is related to what I was saying about drive C:\ and
autoexec.bat and stuff a little while ago.  With each new Winshit
version, my knowledge of and control over the workings of my computer
have been diminished.  When getting a new computer meant formatting the
disk and installing the os and then putting applications on it, I knew
where things were and how they worked (how they worked in a surface
sense, of course -- not their <deep structure>).  Now much is
mysterious.  If I created my own blog on my own website, starting it
from scratch, I would understand exactly how it <worked>.  If I wanted
to experiment with its looks, I would edit it appropriately.  Etc.  All
of this is about my own limitations.  I assume that's clear.  Iow, I
gather from my poking around with Blogger that I could edit the template
in all kinds of ways.  But I would find that extremely difficult since I
would be starting with somebody else's html that was full of things
beyond my limited knowledge.  That wouldn't be like starting my own from
scratch, sticking to things I knew how to make it do, perhaps increasing
knowledge if I came to something I wanted to do that I hadn't done
before, etc.

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On Monday, May 05, 2003 at 20:25, Rita Chapman wrote:

> On a whim, I stopped at Whole Foods today.  I skipped the
> olive bar since I have a bunch of olives I haven't eaten yet
> in the house already.  Among other things, I bought a
> scandalously expensive brick of British cheddar.

If the EU has its way, English Cheddar will be the only kind.
Parmesan will come from one town in Italy, and so on. If they managed
to do it with Champagne, maybe they can make it stick with
everything.

Tony H.

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> the "strength of weak ties"? This is one of them linchpins
> in person. Needless to say, I think there will be plenty
> of interesting observations--and maybe a few interesting
> conversations--to make. I particularly want to see if some
> of the characters in the stories I have heard show up. And
> now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
> you kindly.
>

Even though you say this is not a very close friend, if you have
particular connections to this person, why not evoke the connection
between you - eg, if you have frequently met in a certain restaurant, why
not a gift certificate to that place. Or, if you have provided assistance
with technical problems, perhaps a troubleshooting guide or list of
valuable links that give him connections to the answers he's likely to
need. IOW, why are you asking us when you know more about what this person
likes?

or booze is probably ok.

clo

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-05 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Then ask him if he'd allow it.
> > >
> > > Oops, that would be pushy. My bad! Let's remain in a steady state
> > > and work with Blogger.
> >
> > Tushar's back!
>
> What about it? "You got it" or something?
>
You were missed this weekend. My, you are crabby yesterday!
clo

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>
>If the EU has its way, English Cheddar will be the only kind.
>Parmesan will come from one town in Italy, and so on. If they managed
>to do it with Champagne, maybe they can make it stick with
>everything.
>
>Tony H.

Coming from cattle country, I wonder what they'll want us to call
locally-bred Herefords?

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I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support person was good
too.



alec

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I was thinking a little while ago that it's probably not accurate for me
to think of "my ISP" as the server where I get e-mail addressed to
natalie@maynor.net and where my personal webpages live.  Those are the
only <services> I use it for.  Probably ISP is more properly used to
mean the way you're connected to the net, which means when I'm at home
it's usually BellSouth, once in a while MSU.  Wojo, now that it is
turning into a real ISP, has started offering dialup service, but I've
never had it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:02 AM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
>India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support person was good
>too.

I've heard that some of the nation's largest CPA firms are now sending
client's tax returns to India for preparation as well. Highly-educated,
cheap labor.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>
>I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
>India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support
>person was good
>too.
>
>
>
>alec
>

Replying to my own post, they butchered the address and phone number. 50% of
getting the box at my address. I am calling back for them to correct it.


alec

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Emerging from a week that has included a colonoscopy, hell week and opening
weekend performances for the play, a visit from my parents, and a trip to Toronto, I find
that I am a little bit less than current with words-l.  I may delete a few things, but I am
looking forward to reading all of the alyce stories at the very least.

BrP

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>Emerging from a week that has included a colonoscopy, hell
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>BrP
>

Oh my ass!!

I hope the test went well.


alec

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>
> Oh my ass!!
>
> I hope the test went well.
>
>
> alec

It did thanks.  No problems found and no symptoms motivating the test - just that at my
last physical the doc said "I'm sending you for what people over 50 should do every few
years."

Congrats on the house and on Heide's continuing clear mri !




BrP

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> Here is the thing: in a completely uncharacteristic move,
> I have decided I will attend a friend's 50th birthday party.
> Uncharacteristic because I would never go to any such lameness
> involving a not very close friend, and I am doing it because
> I think it will be an uncharacteristic party. We are talking
> about a pretty colorful character, with all sorts of friends
> from the newspaper world and the outer circles of city politics
> and community life. And that's just one part of it. Heard of
> the "strength of weak ties"? This is one of them linchpins
> in person. Needless to say, I think there will be plenty
> of interesting observations--and maybe a few interesting
> conversations--to make. I particularly want to see if some
> of the characters in the stories I have heard show up. And
> now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
> you kindly.

So, you are going...not because you are happy for your not very close
friend, but just to people watch? How Hollywood of you, Tushar.

Sandra

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 8:45:04 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> the "strength of weak ties"? This is one of them linchpins
>> in person. Needless to say, I think there will be plenty
>> of interesting observations--and maybe a few interesting
>> conversations--to make. I particularly want to see if some
>> of the characters in the stories I have heard show up. And
>> now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
>> you kindly.
>>

> Even though you say this is not a very close friend, if you have
> particular connections to this person, why not evoke the connection
> between you - eg, if you have frequently met in a certain restaurant, why
> not a gift certificate to that place. Or, if you have provided assistance
> with technical problems, perhaps a troubleshooting guide or list of
> valuable links that give him connections to the answers he's likely to
> need. IOW, why are you asking us when you know more about what this person
> likes?

> or booze is probably ok.

I think that the very number of people who suggested booze would be
offputting to me. I like the idea of a more personal present. Also, if
you take alcohol to a party, especially one with a cast of colorful
characters, it is likely that it will be drunk immediately without any
savoring.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 9:02:57 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
> India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support person was good
> too.

Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!

Karen

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> >I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
> >India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support
> >person was good
> >too.
> >
> >
> >alec
>
> Replying to my own post, they butchered the address and phone
> number. 50% of
> getting the box at my address. I am calling back for them to correct it.
>
> alec

I purchased a new Dell earlier this year. I've called support a couple of
times (needed a firewire) and confirmed I did not have a DVD drive. Like
yours, my call was routed to someshere in India (I didn't ask where). It
took me awhile to *connect* with the person I was talking with. But his
knowledge was accurate (though not particularly personable in the way I'm
accustomed to) and the order came through without a hitch and in a very
timely manner.

Sandra

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:18 AM
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>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 9:02:57 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in
>Bangalore,
>> India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support
>person was good
>> too.
>
>Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!
>
>Karen
>

I got a guy in Texas for my second call today.


alec

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Karen:
> Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!

PROTECTIONIST!

--
Richard                   Saul consented

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>It did thanks.  No problems found and no symptoms motivating the test -
>just that at my
>last physical the doc said "I'm sending you for what people over 50 should
>do every few
>years."        --BrP

No polyps found, every five years.   Polyps found, every three years.


    --bonniev, age 57, no polyps found

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:20:39 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> I got a guy in Texas for my second call today.

If you call outside normal business hours, you get Bangalore.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:21:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!

> PROTECTIONIST!

Absolutely.

Karen

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Karen:
>> PROTECTIONIST!
> Absolutely.

Oh.  My.

--
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> >
> >Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 9:02:57 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >> I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in
> >Bangalore,
> >> India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support
> >person was good
> >> too.
> >
> >Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!
> >
> >Karen
> >
>
> I got a guy in Texas for my second call today.
>
> alec

Maybe they do that "follow the sun" approach. Different call centers take
over as the time shifts later int he day.

Sandra

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:26:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>>> PROTECTIONIST!
>> Absolutely.

> Oh.  My.

I'm coming up on my 2nd anniversary of unemployment.

Karen

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> conversations--to make. I particularly want to see if some
> of the characters in the stories I have heard show up. And
> now, to the question: what the hell do I bring for him? Thank
> you kindly.

Actually I've never bought anything at The Sharper Image, and maybe this
is just remembering a dream, BUT I think I've been in TSI and seen weird
elegant semi-practical shit and thought "perfect for a 50th birthday
present."

Ann

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At 10:02 AM 5/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
>India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support person was good
>too.

As far as I know, my call to Dell tech. support last week stayed on this
continent, but it still was funny.  During the fairly long wait, they
interspersed music and "helpful hints."  My favorite was:  "If you are
having problems with your wireless keyboard, it might help to check the
batteries, and if you have installed new ones, make sure that they are
installed correctly."  Sort of gives you an idea of what they must face
each day.

cwv

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>
>If you call outside normal business hours, you get Bangalore.
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>Karen
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It was business hours for the east, maybe not Texas.


alec

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:32:29 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> It was business hours for the east, maybe not Texas.

There's an hour difference.

Karen

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>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:26:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
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>>>> PROTECTIONIST!
>>> Absolutely.
>
>> Oh.  My.
>
>I'm coming up on my 2nd anniversary of unemployment.
>
>Karen
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Damn, I did not think it had been that long.


alec

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What a beautiful thing!!!

Thunder, lightning, and HUGE WET DROPS! (We are already into watering
restrictions and it's only May...)

I hope there is enough rain that restrictions are lifted.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:48:14 AM, sandra wrote:
>> Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:26:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
>> > Karen:
>> >>> PROTECTIONIST!
>> >> Absolutely.
>>
>> > Oh.  My.
>>
>> I'm coming up on my 2nd anniversary of unemployment.
>>
>> Karen

> In general, which city is worse employmentwise (generally speaking). Dallas
> or Austin?

I have no idea.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I think it will be an uncharacteristic party. We are talking
> about a pretty colorful character, with all sorts of friends
> from the newspaper world and the outer circles of city politics
> and community life.

The first image I had before my eyes was an old poster for "Citizen
Kane". This character won't do, maybe, but you'd be able to think
further: A framed poster of some historical value, connected with public
life, journalism or politics. If not exactly a poster, there maybe
something else of that kind that can be framed, in  shops
of old books. It may be even a copy of a good cartoon from an old
newspaper if you can be sure enough your friend will like it.

Kristin

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> Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:26:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
> > Karen:
> >>> PROTECTIONIST!
> >> Absolutely.
>
> > Oh.  My.
>
> I'm coming up on my 2nd anniversary of unemployment.
>
> Karen

In general, which city is worse employmentwise (generally speaking). Dallas
or Austin?

Sandra

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Betty wrote:

> No, you don't want to delete that thread. Or at least, don't delete Jeff's
> posts under it.

>>No, I do not. I've read several of them. I try to manage with most of over 700
>>unread messages and then start with Survivor.

Clo:

>>It's a message from Alyce:
>>only deletable things should go under the heading "Survivor!"

:-)

Bookrat:

>>>I rarely delete messages unread, largely on account of Hill's Observation
>>>(first stated, in a somewhat different form, by Norman Hill), which may be
>>>stated as follows:
>>>
>>>     On Words-L, it's difficult to tell the difference between
>>>   signal and noise.

That's it.
When I'm more or less in a hurry then many I read quite carelessly, as I've done
today. (For example, technical knowledge about bloggers or installing printers is
what interests me but if, and when, practically I am not involved in these
problems I'm afraid I cannot remember much.)

Kristin

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sandra writes,

>In general, which city is worse employmentwise (generally speaking). Dallas
>or Austin?

March figures, in general:

Austin-San Marcos MSA 5.7
Dallas MSA 7.0

<http://www.twc.state.tx.us/
lmi/lfs/type/unemployment/unemploymentmsacurrent.html>

Pete

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Jeff wrote:

> > >>  http://www.frontiernet.net/~cdm/age1.html
> > >
> >Interesting.
> >
> >alec
>
> Interesting indeed. On the part that tells how old you were when various
> events happened, I found that I had clear specific memories of each of the
> events (such as what I was doing at the time) except for the ones when I
> was 1 and 2 (Hawaii becoming a state and Sputnik being launched). Did
> others find the same thing?

As to the early childhood I vaguely member that there was much talk about
assassination of President Kennedy (when I was five). Many of the more recent
events I remember, too. But that the first man stepped on the moon -- I
thought it was later. Was it really in 1968? Well, obviously it was.

>From the page of movies I got to know that I am 2 years younger than Tom
Hanks, and 2 years older than Eddie Murphy. I rather thought it might be the
other way round.

Kristin

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 11:23:10 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> sandra writes,

>>In general, which city is worse employmentwise (generally speaking). Dallas
>>or Austin?

> March figures, in general:

> Austin-San Marcos MSA 5.7
> Dallas MSA 7.0

> <http://www.twc.state.tx.us/
> lmi/lfs/type/unemployment/unemploymentmsacurrent.html>

This is, of course, misleading. Austin is going to get much, much
worse when its largest employer (the state) starts laying off in July.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 11:31:19 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 11:23:10 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>> sandra writes,

>>>In general, which city is worse employmentwise (generally speaking). Dallas
>>>or Austin?

>> March figures, in general:

>> Austin-San Marcos MSA 5.7
>> Dallas MSA 7.0

>> <http://www.twc.state.tx.us/
>> lmi/lfs/type/unemployment/unemploymentmsacurrent.html>

> This is, of course, misleading. Austin is going to get much, much
> worse when its largest employer (the state) starts laying off in July.

And don't forget that this figure doesn't include people who, like me,
are off the books.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
> > No, you don't want to delete that thread. Or at least, don't delete Jeff's
> > posts under it.
>
> >>No, I do not. I've read several of them. I try to manage with most of over 700
> >>unread messages and then start with Survivor.

The latter paragraph shouldn't have been given as a quote but a new text.

Kr.

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> sandra writes,
>
> >In general, which city is worse employmentwise (generally
> speaking). Dallas
> >or Austin?
>
> March figures, in general:
>
> Austin-San Marcos MSA 5.7
> Dallas MSA 7.0
>
> <http://www.twc.state.tx.us/
> lmi/lfs/type/unemployment/unemploymentmsacurrent.html>
>
> Pete

Yikes.

Thanks.

Sandra

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Now the fun begins.  I am hoping to put together a
> family history with text and pictures for the kids
> for Xmas.

That's great. And inspiring to read, too!

Kristin

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Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 12:07:48 PM, Jeff wrote:
> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Thanks for letting us know, Jeff. She will indeed be missed.

Evil Twin #3

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> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Boy oh boy, is she going to be missed by all of us.

Sandra

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Jeff wrote:

> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Yes, she will. r.i.p.

My condolences, Jeff, to you, and Doug, and all people close to her.

Kristin

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sandra writes,

>Yikes.

What?  It's kinda the way things are.  Here are the March data for the SF
Bay Area:

SANTA CLARA 8.4%
SAN FRANCISCO 6.8%
ALAMEDA 6.7%
CONTRA COSTA 5.4%
SAN MATEO 5.1%

Then there are the boonies counties (at least they're on a much smaller
population base):

COLUSA 21.3%
TULARE 18.3%
KINGS 17.8%

<http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/0303pcou.txt>
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Pete

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
>

Jeff,

I am so sorry. Her posts will be part of many of us for many years to come.


Peace,



Alec

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Thanks for being with Alyce, and with us, Jeff.

Bon voyage, Alyce!  You'll be fondly remembered here.

Pete

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At 01:07 PM 5/6/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Yes, she will be very much missed.  Thanks, Jeff, for being there for her
and here for us.

Betty

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> sandra writes,
>
> >Yikes.
>
> What?  It's kinda the way things are.  Here are the March data for the SF
> Bay Area:
>
> SANTA CLARA 8.4%
> SAN FRANCISCO 6.8%
> ALAMEDA 6.7%
> CONTRA COSTA 5.4%
> SAN MATEO 5.1%
>
> Then there are the boonies counties (at least they're on a much smaller
> population base):
>
> COLUSA 21.3%
> TULARE 18.3%
> KINGS 17.8%
>
> <http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/0303pcou.txt>
> <http://www.calmis.ca.gov/htmlfile/county/coshtm.htm>
>
> Pete

Thanks for giving me a deeper perspective on this. I guess Dallas/Austin are
not so far removed from the situation here in CA.

Sandra

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> At 01:07 PM 5/6/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
> >Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
>
> Yes, she will be very much missed.  Thanks, Jeff, for being there for her
> and here for us.
>
> Betty

Yes, I want to add my gratitude for your being so good about keeping us all
informed as to how she's doing and also for letting us know a little bit
more about her and your family. I'm still catching up on posts (and Alyce
stories) after being away, mostly.

Sandra

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At 09:55 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > in the house already.  Among other things, I bought a
> > scandalously expensive brick of British cheddar.  It is
> > wonderful and pungent and full of flavor.
>
>I bought a huge block of Cabot Cheddar at Costco a few weeks ago. What a
>mistake. Delicious, but so crumbly that it's a real pain to eat. (I think it
>was $6 for 2 pounds of Chairman's Extra Reserve Private Stock or whatever.)
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

I like Cabot but compared to some of the Bread & Circus (Boston-area
version of Whole Foods) offerings, it comes off no better than Land-o-lakes
American.

lisa
who's put herself on B&C probation for going too many times last week

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
>
May she rest in peace.

Thanks for your witnessing, Jeff.

Ann

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> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

She most certainly will, but
I am glad she is free.

            - D. M.

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
>

BrPaul and I went to lunch today and spoke, of course, about Alyce's
remarkable life, and the wonderful job you have been doing of caring for
her. Our thoughts are still with you, and all her family.

Thank you so much for letting us know.
clo

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Jeff,

I can't even begin to tell you how much it has meant to have you include us in your
mother's last days and to know that she was receiving such loving attention from
you.  I hope you have felt and are comforted by how much we all care about her and
about you.  It seems to me that she has navigated her death with the same style and
grace with which she navigated her life and that you also have those qualities in
large measure.  I hope that you will continue to be part of this rather crazy bunch.
For now, please accept my hearfelt condolences and my gratitude for the extent to
which this very special woman touched my life.

Paul Barfoot






> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

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At 09:18 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I was just watching the most disgusting Fear Factor ever (my guilty
>pleasure). The contestant was in a tank of water to the neck and they
>dumped a load of dead mice on top of her into the tank. Then she had to
>grab as many soggy mice with her mouth as possible in the allotted time and
>drop them outside the tank.

$50k is not enough to get me to do that. As a matter of fact I cannot think
of an amount that is enough to get me to do some of the things the
contestants have to endure.

They did have a daredevil show not too long ago that I could have handled.
There was no bug eating or intestine noshing necessary. It was all high
flying, physically challenging stunts.

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > or booze is probably ok.
>
> I think that the very number of people who suggested booze would be
> offputting to me. I like the idea of a more personal present. Also, if

That depends on how well you know the person, imho.

> you take alcohol to a party, especially one with a cast of colorful
> characters, it is likely that it will be drunk immediately without any
> savoring.

That is definitely not my experience.  Wine given to a host or honoree
in my experience is always assumed to be for that person to save for
later.  Even at small dinner parties, people bringing wine often say to
the host, "This is for you to keep for later."

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> I can't even begin to tell you how much it has meant to have you include us in your
> mother's last days and to know that she was receiving such loving attention from
> you.  I hope you have felt and are comforted by how much we all care about her and
> about you.  It seems to me that she has navigated her death with the same style and
> grace with which she navigated her life and that you also have those qualities in
> large measure.  I hope that you will continue to be part of this rather crazy bunch.
> For now, please accept my hearfelt condolences and my gratitude for the extent to
> which this very special woman touched my life.

This is a perfect expression of what I and I'm sure most of us are
thinking and feeling.

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>ure.  I hope that you will continue to be part of this rather crazy bunch.
>For now, please accept my hearfelt condolences and my gratitude for the
>extent to
>which this very special woman touched my life.
>
>Paul Barfoot

Thanks, Paul. Your support and the support of all Wordslers has meant a
lot. I sincerely hope to continue on the list.

Jeff

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At 02:16 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>At 09:18 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>I was just watching the most disgusting Fear Factor ever (my guilty
>>pleasure). The contestant was in a tank of water to the neck and they
>>dumped a load of dead mice on top of her into the tank. Then she had to
>>grab as many soggy mice with her mouth as possible in the allotted time and
>>drop them outside the tank.
>
>$50k is not enough to get me to do that. As a matter of fact I cannot think
>of an amount that is enough to get me to do some of the things the
>contestants have to endure.

Actually, this was the Tournament of Champions, and they were competing for
100 grand. You sure you won't reconsider?

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 2:39:47 PM, Jeff Rankin wrote:
> Actually, this was the Tournament of Champions, and they were competing for
> 100 grand. You sure you won't reconsider?

I'd rather do this than eat insects.

Karen

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At 01:07 PM 5/6/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Ugh, my heart just skipped a beat.

Alyce, I wish you fair winds and following seas.

Jeff, thank you so much for being with us and keeping us informed. I
appreciate it.

Love,

lisa

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Congrats to you, Alec and Heide.  Now the fun begins.  Is it 'finished' or
are you contemplating changes?

Terry

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At 03:39 PM 5/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:16 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>>At 09:18 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>>I was just watching the most disgusting Fear Factor ever (my guilty
>>>pleasure). The contestant was in a tank of water to the neck and they
>>>dumped a load of dead mice on top of her into the tank. Then she had to
>>>grab as many soggy mice with her mouth as possible in the allotted time and
>>>drop them outside the tank.
>>
>>$50k is not enough to get me to do that. As a matter of fact I cannot think
>>of an amount that is enough to get me to do some of the things the
>>contestants have to endure.
>
>Actually, this was the Tournament of Champions, and they were competing for
>100 grand. You sure you won't reconsider?

$100k? Nope.. not even close.

Tina and I watch the show often and we've had the, "how much would it take"
conversation. So far I haven't even be able to come up with a number.

lisa

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At 02:41 PM 5/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 2:39:47 PM, Jeff Rankin wrote:
> > Actually, this was the Tournament of Champions, and they were competing for
> > 100 grand. You sure you won't reconsider?
>
>I'd rather do this than eat insects.
>
>Karen

You'd put a dead mouse in your mouth? How damn close to Berl have you become?

lisa

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clyde w. voigtlander:
= At 10:02 AM 5/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= >I called Dell for a keyboard for a user. My call ended up in Bangalore,
= >India. They music and messages on hold were great. Support person was good
= >too.
=
= As far as I know, my call to Dell tech. support last week stayed on this
= continent, but it still was funny.  During the fairly long wait, they
= interspersed music and "helpful hints."  My favorite was:  "If you are
= having problems with your wireless keyboard, it might help to check the
= batteries, and if you have installed new ones, make sure that they are
= installed correctly."  Sort of gives you an idea of what they must face
= each day.
=
= cwv

I had just this happen to me the other day.  Since Pat was
running a LOT of stuff, on of which is known to freeze the
system, that was certainly my first thought.  I don't quite
remember the circumstances, but he was left to sort out what
was what.  It turns out that the mouse freezing looks just like
the system freezing, and I'd left it over an open xterm.  Duh.  I
didn't think to try the keyboard as I'd been in the middle of
mousing.

Also, this is the first one we've had with batteries, so I've
never seen one go dead before. (LAME)

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 2:57:24 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 02:41 PM 5/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 2:39:47 PM, Jeff Rankin wrote:
>> > Actually, this was the Tournament of Champions, and they were competing for
>> > 100 grand. You sure you won't reconsider?
>>
>>I'd rather do this than eat insects.
>>
>>Karen

> You'd put a dead mouse in your mouth?

For $100,000? You bet.

> How damn close to Berl have you become?

Burl.

It's not a matter of being close to my cat, but a matter of being
unemployed for 2 years.

Karen

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Terry Wild
>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:58 PM
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>
>
>Congrats to you, Alec and Heide.  Now the fun begins.  Is it
>'finished' or are you contemplating changes?
>
>Terry
>

It is clean and finished. Had a good inspection, with a few minor issues. We
need to get a refrigerator,washer,dryer and a vacuum cleaner.


alec

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 3:02:57 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> It is clean and finished. Had a good inspection, with a few minor issues. We
> need to get a refrigerator,washer,dryer and a vacuum cleaner.

And a subscription to Consumer Reports.:)

Front-loading washers are the way to go.

Karen

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A better question might be - how many dead mice would it take to be sufficient
reward to Burl for putting $100k in dirty money in her mouth?

Perspective is everything


BrP




>
> It's not a matter of being close to my cat, but a matter of being
> unemployed for 2 years.
>
> Karen

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 3:05:21 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> A better question might be - how many dead mice would it take to be sufficient
> reward to Burl for putting $100k in dirty money in her mouth?

> Perspective is everything

:)

As far as I can tell, Burl's biggest interest in hunting is hunting
food in my kitchen. Whenever I cook, there is a sad face waiting
patiently for me to notice how underfed and neglected she looks.

Karen

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At 01:07 PM 5/6/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Ave atque Vale, Alyce.

cwv

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--On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:07 PM -0400 Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM> wrote:

> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Her peace has finally come.  Thanks, Jeff for your updates, stories, and
the chance to get to know you.  Your family has touched a lot of hearts.

Terry

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Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:37:14 -0400
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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--On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:04 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
wrote:

> And a subscription to Consumer Reports.:)
>
    This could be very helpful!  Of course we could all give you our
opinions, Karen has started...

> Front-loading washers are the way to go.
>
    I'm actually considering an electric dryer.  I will still hang clothes
outside when it is nice, so primary use would be winter.

Terry

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 3:37:14 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
>     This could be very helpful!  Of course we could all give you our
> opinions, Karen has started...

>> Front-loading washers are the way to go.

I think CR is useful because it's more up to date than most of our
appliance purchases.

>     I'm actually considering an electric dryer.  I will still hang clothes
> outside when it is nice, so primary use would be winter.

I have an electric dryer--it was free, a friend gave it to me when
they upgraded.

Karen

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My heart goes out to all...

----- Original Message -----
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> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jeff wrote:

> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
>

Jeff,
What happens next for you? Will you be staying to help take care of
things, or will you be going home right away?

clo

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> --On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:04 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > And a subscription to Consumer Reports.:)

    Just sell your soul to Home Depot and be done with it.

JMW

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In a message dated 05/06/2003 12:14:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Boy oh boy, is she going to be missed by all of us.


>>

Yes, she was among the best of us.  I miss her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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John Williams wrote:

>>--On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:04 PM -0500 Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And a subscription to Consumer Reports.:)
>>>
>
>     Just sell your soul to Home Depot and be done with it.


        Do you own a house or rent, John?  I can't remember.




--
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02003-05-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>                                             With each new Winshit
> version, my knowledge of and control over the workings of my computer
> have been diminished.  When getting a new computer meant formatting the
> disk and installing the os and then putting applications on it, I knew
> where things were and how they worked (how they worked in a surface
> sense, of course -- not their <deep structure>).  Now much is
> mysterious.

Thanks for Making Explicit what everyone knew but couldn't express.
Put this on your blog if possible.

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02003-05-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Another way to use vi would be to edit everything and then copy and
> > paste it into the "blogger textbox". But even this little a reliance
> > on the text box tells you much about the uselessness of ad hoc and
> > lame edit widgets. Much is made of how "easy" it is, for someone who
> > wants to think "only about his writing", but that brings me back to
> > my standard obsession--how serious of a writer are you anymore, if
> > you only have the most painfully laborious ways to reshape your
> > writing?
>
> I must not have made clear what my Blogger questions/concerns were.
> There's nothing at all complicated or distasteful about adding entries
> -- about writing in the "textbox."  I have no reason to want to use vi
> for that.

The subject has moved on from you to vi. I agree wholeheartedly that
you need your own server with much more direct access. But I understand
it involves distastefully pushy actions.

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Alyce is gone.  The romantic in me says that she should have had many more
years to enjoy her life, children, business, and other interests.  The
realist in me says "Hey, she could have walked under a truck ten years
ago."  So, I won't debate the time or manner of her death.  However it came
down, it did so largely with her in charge, which is how she would have
wanted it, I'm sure.

As I have told Jeff privately, I didn't always agree with
Alyce---especially in some of her views on the envirornment and ecology in
general.  Others, I know, disagreed with her on political, economic, and/or
social issues.  To know Alyce was to contend.  Nonetheless, I don't think
that any who found themselves opposed to Alyce on a particular issue
doubted her passion or conviction.

I don't miss her now.  In a way, I have been mourning her for the past week
or so, maybe more.  I am happy that for her, what was a illness-ridden
time, is over.  Down the road a ways, when we on the list start crossing
horns on another, yet-to-be-discovered issue---that is when I will truly
will miss Alyce.

cwv

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02003-05-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-05-05 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > Then ask him if he'd allow it.
> > > >
> > > > Oops, that would be pushy. My bad! Let's remain in a steady state
> > > > and work with Blogger.
> > >
> > > Tushar's back!
> >
> > What about it? "You got it" or something?
>
> You were missed this weekend. My, you are crabby yesterday!

Excuse me, that was verbal joke from a linguistic P.O.V.! Dang!
"I got your back" .. get it?

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Jeff Rankin wrote:
>
> >ure.  I hope that you will continue to be part of this rather crazy bunch.
> >For now, please accept my hearfelt condolences and my gratitude for the
> >extent to
> >which this very special woman touched my life.
> >
> >Paul Barfoot
>
> Thanks, Paul. Your support and the support of all Wordslers has meant a
> lot. I sincerely hope to continue on the list.
>
Alyce would like that. She was respected and admired by many of us.  I
will miss her, but look forward to learning more about you.

Alyce is at peace, but what a terrific legacy she's left.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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02003-05-06 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> Thank you kindly.

Allow me to repeat this sentiment, since the replies have brought the
whole situation into a far clearer focus. And it leads to a lot of
useless and interesting theorizing. I NOW think I'd better stay away
from booze--because last I met him he was quitting things left and
right like a maniac. Not booze--it was consumed copiously at that
meeting--but who knows where the mania has gone by now. Chicago
objects are not too bad in general, but there is nothing new and
unknown about them, and besides I am pretty sure none of these people
likes that kind of thing (they like booze). Nobody is a public figure
valuing public prestige--understand that. On the other hand, this guy
has taken an interest in many of the books I was reading, so (clearly)
he has a finer side, and most importantly, he seems to have finally
settled down for a steady job with the city. Finally, we know each
other due to his brief stint at our "dotcom" operation, and he always
talks about that time in a good way. As I said, interesting stuff ...

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02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> So, you are going...not because you are happy for your not very close
> friend, but just to people watch? How Hollywood of you, Tushar.

How is this Hollywood? I am the one doing the seeing. Same as why
I am on this list ...

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>
>Alyce is at peace, but what a terrific legacy she's left.
>
>--
>Sylvia Edwards

Wow, Sylvia, I think you just choked me up!

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >     Just sell your soul to Home Depot and be done with it.
>
>         Do you own a house or rent, John?  I can't remember.

He owns.  Iirc.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> John Williams wrote:
>
> >     Just sell your soul to Home Depot and be done with it.
>
>         Do you own a house or rent, John?  I can't remember.

    As our member from Chicago used to say, "Think before you post."
    And for some reason - well, I know what it is - there has been a rash of
phone calls that go thusly:

(JMW, cheerfully)    "MCC Library, reference desk!"

(caller)                    " Is this the library?"

8-(

JMW

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> The subject has moved on from you to vi. I agree wholeheartedly that
> you need your own server with much more direct access. But I understand
> it involves distastefully pushy actions.

Blogger is fine now that I'm simply adding, not trying to change
anything.  I may still put it on my server -- as in blog there instead
of afar.  No pushy actions required.  I simply log on, create the file
in public_html, and chmod it.

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> 02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > So, you are going...not because you are happy for your not very close
> > friend, but just to people watch? How Hollywood of you, Tushar.
>
> How is this Hollywood? I am the one doing the seeing. Same as why
> I am on this list ...

Ok, since you asked. It seems rather insincere.  You even called the purpose
of the party "lame." The purpose of the party is to celebrate your friend's
special Bday, but you're using it to gather material.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>    Just sell your soul to Home Depot and be done with it.
>>>
>>        Do you own a house or rent, John?  I can't remember.
>>
>
> He owns.  Iirc.


        Shrug.  I don't care that much if he doesn't want to answer.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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We shall remember Alyce at St. John's Cathedral for a few days ...

Bethany

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Nadine, the neighbor lady, gave me an article the other day written by an
artist who died of terminal cancer and came back. Like other after-death
accounts, it affirms the existence of God and the afterlife, but it goes
beyond that. WELL beyond. I put it aside, but happened to pick it up this
morning and read it just before Alyce began to die. Although her death was
hard--lasting more than an hour--the article gave me the courage and peace
of mind to help her through, because what comes next could be cool beyond
our wildest imaginations.

If you have the time, I recommend you print it out and read it (it's rather
long). Afterward, you may not be a believer, but I guarantee you'll have a
hell of a lot to think about!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

Take care,
Jeff

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At 07:16 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>We shall remember Alyce at St. John's Cathedral for a few days ...
>
>Bethany


Bless you!

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I did print it out, Jeff, and I will read it this evening.

Are you open yet to receiving letters for the memorial?
I wrote mine today because Alyce is fresh on my
mind today.

I know you have a lot on your mind and will be
travelling soon, etc., but could you place it on file
if I sent it?  Or do you want me to wait?

             - D. M.






> Nadine, the neighbor lady, gave me an article the other day written by
an
> artist who died of terminal cancer and came back. Like other
after-death
> accounts, it affirms the existence of God and the afterlife, but it
goes
> beyond that. WELL beyond. I put it aside, but happened to pick it up
this
> morning and read it just before Alyce began to die. Although her death
was
> hard--lasting more than an hour--the article gave me the courage and
peace
> of mind to help her through, because what comes next could be cool
beyond
> our wildest imaginations.
>
> If you have the time, I recommend you print it out and read it (it's
rather
> long). Afterward, you may not be a believer, but I guarantee you'll
have a
> hell of a lot to think about!
>
> http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html
>
> Take care,
> Jeff
>

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 5:58:37 PM, John Williams wrote:
>     And for some reason - well, I know what it is - there has been a rash of
> phone calls that go thusly:

> (JMW, cheerfully)    "MCC Library, reference desk!"

> (caller)                    " Is this the library?"

Maybe if you didn't mumble....:)

Karen

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For excellent cheese, try:

https://shop.tool.net/gethsemani/kitchen.php

(Scroll down a bit.)

One may also purchase fruitcake (I don't like fruitcake, but for what it's
worth, the WSJ has called this the best in the U.S.) and bourbon fudge.

Bethany

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jeff Rankin wrote:

>>We shall remember Alyce at St. John's Cathedral for a few days ...
>
>Bless you!

Thank you (it's Episcopal, if that matters - or even if it doesn't!).

Bethany

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I knew this day would come; I just didn't think it would be so soon - after
all, Marie and I just saw Alyce barely a week ago. I was so happy to be able
to give her a love-filled hug from all of us.

I'm sorry for your loss, Jeff, and Doug, and Berta, and the rest of your
family.

I'm also sorry for the loss to the Words-L family. She'll be missed.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Whenever I cook, there is a sad face waiting
> patiently for me to notice how underfed and neglected she looks.

You know, I think I've seen this face...on SnowBash guests. :)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Let me be more specific - Alyce will be remembered by name during the
daily office of Morning Prayer at 8 a.m. (EDT) each day the rest of the
week and at two services on Sunday (8 and 10 a.m.).

Bethany

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In a message dated 05/06/2003 6:02:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<
(JMW, cheerfully)    "MCC Library, reference desk!"

(caller)                    " Is this the library?"

>>

Oh, when I was at Sears, the phones for the appliance departments
would roll over to my department.  When my phone would ring, I would
answer "Sears, vacuums and microwaves"; the person on the other
end would go into a rambling monolog about a stove, dishwasher,
refrigerator, etc. and would be stunned and upset when I would tell
him/her that this was a different department.

Oh, BTW, I set the mail controls so that no one is blocked; maybe
this will help me receive Jeff's mail.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         Do you own a house or rent, John?  I can't remember.

    A little more than half is mine, the rest is Chase Mortgage.  I don't know
if they figure it vertically or horizontally.

JMW

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This is a sad day for me. Alyce helped me in three ways: at a time
of self-doubt and impending depression that immigrants will know
about, she gave unreserved love and support; at a time when I felt
lost in the maelstrom of Chicago, she told stories about it which
stabilized me; and at a time I would have gotten terminally dis-
illusioned with the software business, she barraged me with new
and exciting ideas. I will be grateful for this. I am still of
an age where saying this directly feels awkward, and I hope she
got the message, somehow. We corresponded in any serious way for
only about a year, and we talked almost exclusively about the
online book business and old Chicago. The current words-l.org
server was originally for trying out many of her book-selling
ideas. This went on until a few weeks ago--she was never at rest.

I think meeting her wouldn't ever have happened. I wanted to call
her, and that didn't happen either. She treated me like a prince,
and treated me in a princely manner.

I have at home a copper mug, stolen from the "Tip Top Tap" about
50 years ago. Or at least, it found its way out somehow when Alyce
and her friends stumbled out. I had wanted it ever since I heard
the story, and now I have it. Wish it was in happier circumstances.
I had planned to go to this old-time bar and drink a "Moscow Mule"
out of the mug--well, that didn't happen either! Perhaps this
weekend.

A mug and a few hundred emails about the book business--strange,
the sort of links that evolve in the web of our relationships. There
was no reason why we would be anything more than the most cursory
acquaintances. This is a very sad day for me.

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At 05:20 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jeff wrote:
>
> > Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
> >
>
>Jeff,
>What happens next for you? Will you be staying to help take care of
>things, or will you be going home right away?
>
>clo

I'll be here till the 15th and my brother comes on the 17th for a couple of
weeks. Then we'll both probably be back in July to try to finish getting
the house cleaned out...and have a memorial open house. There is such an
incredible amount of work to do here, but I'm sure we'll get through.
Thanks for your continued interest and support.

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Tushar,

Before she became bedridden a week ago, Alyce would sit next to me, and I
would read her email to her. The first thing she would always have me do
was check to see if there's anything from Tushar! "Please look! Is there
anything from Tushar?" She was adamant that I read some of your old posts
myself because she wanted me to enjoy your wonderful wit and way with
words. Alyce absolutely adored you, and I know she would be proud to
receive such a glowing eulogy from you.

Thanks for bringing such joy to her in her final months.

Jeff

At 08:43 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>This is a sad day for me. Alyce helped me in three ways: at a time
>of self-doubt and impending depression that immigrants will know
>about, she gave unreserved love and support; at a time when I felt
>lost in the maelstrom of Chicago, she told stories about it which
>stabilized me; and at a time I would have gotten terminally dis-
>illusioned with the software business, she barraged me with new
>and exciting ideas. I will be grateful for this. I am still of
>an age where saying this directly feels awkward, and I hope she
>got the message, somehow. We corresponded in any serious way for
>only about a year, and we talked almost exclusively about the
>online book business and old Chicago. The current words-l.org
>server was originally for trying out many of her book-selling
>ideas. This went on until a few weeks ago--she was never at rest.
>
>I think meeting her wouldn't ever have happened. I wanted to call
>her, and that didn't happen either. She treated me like a prince,
>and treated me in a princely manner.
>
>I have at home a copper mug, stolen from the "Tip Top Tap" about
>50 years ago. Or at least, it found its way out somehow when Alyce
>and her friends stumbled out. I had wanted it ever since I heard
>the story, and now I have it. Wish it was in happier circumstances.
>I had planned to go to this old-time bar and drink a "Moscow Mule"
>out of the mug--well, that didn't happen either! Perhaps this
>weekend.
>
>A mug and a few hundred emails about the book business--strange,
>the sort of links that evolve in the web of our relationships. There
>was no reason why we would be anything more than the most cursory
>acquaintances. This is a very sad day for me.

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At 08:09 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
>Let me be more specific - Alyce will be remembered by name during the
>daily office of Morning Prayer at 8 a.m. (EDT) each day the rest of the
>week and at two services on Sunday (8 and 10 a.m.).
>
>Bethany

Excellent.

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02003-05-06 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Tue, 6 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> clo:
> > > > > Tushar's back!
> Tusahr:
> > > > What about it? "You got it" or something?
> clo:
> > > You were missed this weekend. My, you are crabby yesterday!
> Tushar:
> > Excuse me, that was verbal joke from a linguistic P.O.V.! Dang!
> > "I got your back" .. get it?
>
> clo *reeling from blow by clue-by-four*
> Ow, what hit me?

A nice save.

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Who wrote or posted inquiring about where to send a written tribute for
Alyce's memorial open house? I can't seem to find that message now. What I
think I'd like to do is ask anyone who's so inclined to send me a tribute
by email, and I'll save it in a special folder--in case paper ones might
get lost in the shuffle. Just title the email "Alyce Memories" and I won't
even read it...I'll just put it in the folder until a later date. Still no
decision on exactly when the open house will be, but we're still thinking July.

Jeff

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> On Tue, 6 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > This is a sad day for me. Alyce helped me in three ways
> <snip>
> > A mug and a few hundred emails about the book business--strange,
> > the sort of links that evolve in the web of our relationships. There
> > was no reason why we would be anything more than the most cursory
> > acquaintances...
> >
>
> Tushar,
> I feel sure that Alyce would rebut that last statement quite vigorously,
> and be able to give a very clear list of reasons for enjoying a strong
> friendship with you, beginning with your quick wit, your energy, your
> clarity of insight, and your persistence in the face of difficulty - not
> to mention your willingness to assist her with technical problems, and
> take part in her experiments online.
>
> Though the events that make up a relationship may be trivial, the bonds
> are not, as you have shown.
>
> Thank you for sharing with us what Alyce surely knew about how much you
> respected and valued her.
>
> clo

Tushar's post was lovely. Me thinks some of his comments reflect his
frequent discounting of online relationships. Tonight, reading his post...he
doesn't seem so far away.

Sandra

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> 02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > 02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > So, you are going...not because you are happy for your not
> very close
> > > > friend, but just to people watch? How Hollywood of you, Tushar.
> > >
> > > How is this Hollywood? I am the one doing the seeing. Same as why
> > > I am on this list ...
> >
> > Ok, since you asked. It seems rather insincere.  You even
> called the purpose
> > of the party "lame." The purpose of the party is to celebrate
> your friend's
> > special Bday, but you're using it to gather material.
>
> Perhaps ... but going to a tediously mundane party to "celebrate" a
> friend's "special birthday" because you are "happy for him" strikes
> ME as far less sincere. This friendship is based on the enjoyment of
> talking BS and getting drunk, perhaps with some random no-cover jazz
> in the background. Why should I attend a party, except that I think
> this one may not be jam-packed with lamers who have no interest in
> anything? As for my "gathering material"--material for what? (This
> reminds me of ... a ... lady, who said I was interested in her
> because I was gathering material. I had the same question then...)

I guess I'm just not a partyer. I hate talking BS and getting drunk. Mostly,
I show up at bday parties just because I know it means a lot to someone to
have their  good friend there.

Sandra

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Thank you, Tushar.  You just became more human

Tushar is very human.

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Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 7:15:04 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Whenever I cook, there is a sad face waiting
>> patiently for me to notice how underfed and neglected she looks.

> You know, I think I've seen this face...on SnowBash guests. :)

LOL. Yes, it's probably the same!

Karen

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
clo:
> > > > Tushar's back!
Tusahr:
> > > What about it? "You got it" or something?
clo:
> > You were missed this weekend. My, you are crabby yesterday!
Tushar:
> Excuse me, that was verbal joke from a linguistic P.O.V.! Dang!
> "I got your back" .. get it?

clo *reeling from blow by clue-by-four*
Ow, what hit me?

clo

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> This is a sad day for me. Alyce helped me in three ways: at a time
> of self-doubt and impending depression that immigrants will know
> about, she gave unreserved love and support; at a time when I felt
> lost in the maelstrom of Chicago, she told stories about it which
> stabilized me; and at a time I would have gotten terminally dis-
> illusioned with the software business, she barraged me with new
> and exciting ideas. I will be grateful for this. I am still of
> an age where saying this directly feels awkward, and I hope she
> got the message, somehow. We corresponded in any serious way for
> only about a year, and we talked almost exclusively about the
> online book business and old Chicago. The current words-l.org
> server was originally for trying out many of her book-selling
> ideas. This went on until a few weeks ago--she was never at rest.
>
> I think meeting her wouldn't ever have happened. I wanted to call
> her, and that didn't happen either. She treated me like a prince,
> and treated me in a princely manner.
>
> I have at home a copper mug, stolen from the "Tip Top Tap" about
> 50 years ago. Or at least, it found its way out somehow when Alyce
> and her friends stumbled out. I had wanted it ever since I heard
> the story, and now I have it. Wish it was in happier circumstances.
> I had planned to go to this old-time bar and drink a "Moscow Mule"
> out of the mug--well, that didn't happen either! Perhaps this
> weekend.
>
> A mug and a few hundred emails about the book business--strange,
> the sort of links that evolve in the web of our relationships. There
> was no reason why we would be anything more than the most cursory
> acquaintances. This is a very sad day for me.

Thank you, Tushar.  You just became more human
and, somehow, reachable.  It is good to speak your
heart.

                 - D. M.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM>
> Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

We knew it was coming, but this is tremendously sad news.

Marie

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Thank you, Tushar.  You just became more human

    Yes, he did.

JMW

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> Tushar,
>
> Before she became bedridden a week ago, Alyce would sit next to me, and I
> would read her email to her. The first thing she would always have me do
> was check to see if there's anything from Tushar! "Please look! Is there
> anything from Tushar?" She was adamant that I read some of your old posts
> myself because she wanted me to enjoy your wonderful wit and way with
> words. Alyce absolutely adored you, and I know she would be proud to
> receive such a glowing eulogy from you.
>
> Thanks for bringing such joy to her in her final months.
>
> Jeff
>

Now, that's a tribute :)

Sandra

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On Tue, 6 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> This is a sad day for me. Alyce helped me in three ways
<snip>
> A mug and a few hundred emails about the book business--strange,
> the sort of links that evolve in the web of our relationships. There
> was no reason why we would be anything more than the most cursory
> acquaintances...
>

Tushar,
I feel sure that Alyce would rebut that last statement quite vigorously,
and be able to give a very clear list of reasons for enjoying a strong
friendship with you, beginning with your quick wit, your energy, your
clarity of insight, and your persistence in the face of difficulty - not
to mention your willingness to assist her with technical problems, and
take part in her experiments online.

Though the events that make up a relationship may be trivial, the bonds
are not, as you have shown.

Thank you for sharing with us what Alyce surely knew about how much you
respected and valued her.

clo

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> Who wrote or posted inquiring about where to send a written tribute
for
> Alyce's memorial open house? I can't seem to find that message now.
What I
> think I'd like to do is ask anyone who's so inclined to send me a
tribute
> by email, and I'll save it in a special folder--in case paper ones
might
> get lost in the shuffle. Just title the email "Alyce Memories" and I
won't
> even read it...I'll just put it in the folder until a later date.
Still no
> decision on exactly when the open house will be, but we're still
thinking July.
>
> Jeff
>

I was the one who wrote, and this was my thought
exactly.  Thanks for the information.  Will send what
I wrote before I start to examine it and doubt what
I wrote.  Know what I mean?

                                      - D. M.

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02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > So, you are going...not because you are happy for your not very close
> > > friend, but just to people watch? How Hollywood of you, Tushar.
> >
> > How is this Hollywood? I am the one doing the seeing. Same as why
> > I am on this list ...
>
> Ok, since you asked. It seems rather insincere.  You even called the purpose
> of the party "lame." The purpose of the party is to celebrate your friend's
> special Bday, but you're using it to gather material.

Perhaps ... but going to a tediously mundane party to "celebrate" a
friend's "special birthday" because you are "happy for him" strikes
ME as far less sincere. This friendship is based on the enjoyment of
talking BS and getting drunk, perhaps with some random no-cover jazz
in the background. Why should I attend a party, except that I think
this one may not be jam-packed with lamers who have no interest in
anything? As for my "gathering material"--material for what? (This
reminds me of ... a ... lady, who said I was interested in her
because I was gathering material. I had the same question then...)

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02003-05-06 | Jeff Rankin <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM> writes:
> The first thing she would always have me do was check to see if there's
> anything from Tushar! "Please look! Is there anything from Tushar?" She
> was adamant that I read some of your old posts ...

I had no idea.

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> It did thanks.  No problems found and no symptoms motivating the test -
just that at my
> last physical the doc said "I'm sending you for what people over 50 should
do every few
> years."

My gyno says that people should have one every 5 years beginning at age 45.
But he has a history with me of going beyond the recommended age limits on
physical tests. And guess who's 44 this year and will have her yearly
checkup in about three weeks. Yipes!

And yes I know it's not one of them <*emale> parts, but he says that since
for many of his patients the yearly visit to him is often the only time they
visit a doctor all year, he makes it more like a full physical.

-aht

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Jeff,

My sincere condolences. The last time a Wordsler died, his address was set
to nomail and norenew, which means that he will never disappear from the
list, and that he is temporarily not receiving mail. I hope that Adam will
honor this tradition and set Alyce's address that way too, as a permanent
memorial, and a reminder of all she brought to the group. Thank you for
keeping the list in touch during these difficult days and I hope that
mailing with us was some sort of help to you.

-aht

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At 09:54 PM 5/6/2003, you wrote:
> > Who wrote or posted inquiring about where to send a written tribute
>for
> > Alyce's memorial open house? I can't seem to find that message now.
>What I
> > think I'd like to do is ask anyone who's so inclined to send me a
>tribute
> > by email, and I'll save it in a special folder--in case paper ones
>might
> > get lost in the shuffle. Just title the email "Alyce Memories" and I
>won't
> > even read it...I'll just put it in the folder until a later date.
>Still no
> > decision on exactly when the open house will be, but we're still
>thinking July.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
>I was the one who wrote, and this was my thought
>exactly.  Thanks for the information.  Will send what
>I wrote before I start to examine it and doubt what
>I wrote.  Know what I mean?
>
>                                       - D. M.

Yep. What flows from the mind to the hand initially is your true emotion.
You might tinker with it later and make it read better, but there's also
the danger of diluting its real meaning. Thanks, Doris.

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10:15 06.05.2003 -0700 skrev Peter Kaminski:
>Thanks for being with Alyce, and with us, Jeff.
>
>Bon voyage, Alyce!  You'll be fondly remembered here.

Yes, thank you and she will!

Espen

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On Tue, 6 May 2003 13:07:48 -0400, Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM> wrote:

>Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

My condolences to friends and family.

Thanks to Adam for relaying the sad news to me and who knows how many other
prodigal wordslers.  I never met Alyce, since Germantown isn't close enough
to Hillsdale (or anywhere else, it often seemed) to have made a Falcon Ridge
sidetrip seem feasible.  We didn't <connect> particularly well or
particularly often, so I have no cherished backchannel conversations to
report on.  That's my loss and my misfortune.

Instead, I celebrate wordsler continuity.  In reviewing the last week's
messages on the UGA web interface, I see an incipient new wordsler, one with
a sense of list-history but at the same time an outside observer's
viewpoint.  I see intense support and concern from many places, and not just
for Alyce and Jeff ... concern over the wordslers in or near the paths of
those deadly tornadoes, wonderful news from Alec (and I'm not referring to
his newfound homeownership), and more.

I don't know whether any of this will bring me back into the fold.  Right
now I don't see it being likely, but who knows?  I'll always be somewhere on
the periphery, reviewing the state of wordsler affairs on occasion, popping
up every once in a while.

Maybe if Survivor ever occupied something less than half of the list.  Hell,
better you should talk about Outbreak or whatever it was called...

neal

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For some time we have had wet and cold days here. Yesterday things started to lighten up in the afternoon, even if there still were some dark clouds. But later there was a beautiful dark blue evening sky with a new moon in it. And this morning is clear and even if it is not warm by Natalie's standards it was warm enough for me to wear sandals for the first time this year. I took a walk in the bothanical garden and indeed here was life. A warm breeze was blowing through the trees with their fresh leaves - those who already have their leaves out or almost, birds were busy with their family life, I believe. There were school classes and kindergarden groups and the spring flowers were in full flower. And then I realized that Alyce was there. She was part of the sun and the breeze, of the activity among the flowers, birds, humans, everything.

Espen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

>and the spring flowers were in full flower. And then I realized that Alyce was
>there. She was part of the sun and the breeze, of the activity among the flowers,
>birds, humans, everything.

I had a similar kind of thought when I saw Jeff's e-mail yesterday
afternoon and thought back to what I had been doing at the moment of
Alyce's death.  I had been walking across campus to the library to put
some books into the outside return bin.  A strong wind was blowing, a
pleasant one.  I was thinking later about how Alyce was part of that
pleasant wind.

Like all of us probably, I continued to think about Alyce the rest of
the day and night, leading to a thought that was funny in a way very
late yesterday afternoon.  A lens suddenly fell out of my glasses, then
the tiny frame screw.  Knowing that I would have no time this morning to
deal with the glasses problem, I jumped in the car and headed to the
Walmart optician.  (I don't know why I bothered really.  I've discovered
that I don't need glasses anymore.  Driving to Wmart without them was no
problem.)  Anyway, I was thinking the whole way to Wmart and then
walking in from the parking lot about how Alyce was up there somewhere
shaking her head at me.  I felt guilty for being at Wmart the day of her
death.  Then I thought, "But she will surely realize that this is where
I have to come -- that it's the only optical place in Starkville that I
know of right now."  When I was talking to the optician, he said that
they were about to expand their services -- that starting sometime soon
they were going to have an ophthalmologist there one afternoon a week
and a couple of optometrists more often that that.  I was thinking how
disapproving Alyce would be.

My Alyce thoughts could go on and on.  Meanwhile, in case any of you
want this address that I happen to have written down beside the
computer, having looked it up yesterday afternoon, here it is:

Columbia-Greene Humane Society
125 Humane Society Rd.
Hudson, NY 12534

(I'm not trying to promote it over the other things Alyce mentioned --
the library and Greenpeace.  It's just the address I happened to have
sitting here and thought I might as well pass along in case some of you
were planning on looking it up.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Neal Traven wrote:

> Maybe if Survivor ever occupied something less than half of the list.  Hell,

Neal has been gone too long.  He doesn't even remember how subject
headers often work on Words-L.  Anybody who skipped those labeled
"Survivor" the past four or five days missed some very special postings.

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>Anyway, I was thinking the whole way to Wmart and then
>walking in from the parking lot about how Alyce was up there somewhere
>shaking her head at me.  I felt guilty for being at Wmart the day of her
>death.

>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It's funny, but I went to Wal-Mart yesterday afternoon, too, to buy a
microwave oven--both things that Alyce would have chastised me for. I never
quite understood the microwave thing--whether she was worried about
radiation, or just too much of a traditionalist to have one in her kitchen,
I'll never know.

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I think it was Bethany who asked me about Judge Pickering way back when
he was first nominated for a federal judgeship, and I said then that I
knew nothing about him but was likely to find him too conservative since
I find his son, now my Representative in spite of my campaigning against
his election, way too conservative.

Since then, as Judge Pickering was more and more in the news, at least
locally, I've read a good bit about him -- about his past actions, his
views, etc.  I've been meaning to report here, since a question about
him was asked of me here a long time ago, that the more I found out
about him, the more I decided that labeling him "racist" was bogus.  I'm
not necessarily <for> him.  But I think racism is not part of his
baggage.

I was reminded of that when reading a Clarion-Ledger story a few minutes
ago about how the head of the Mississippi Legislative Black Caucus has
recently said that he no longer opposes Pickering:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0305/07/m01.html

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> It's funny, but I went to Wal-Mart yesterday afternoon, too, to buy a
> microwave oven--both things that Alyce would have chastised me for. I never
> quite understood the microwave thing--whether she was worried about
> radiation, or just too much of a traditionalist to have one in her kitchen,
> I'll never know.

I'm betting it was the latter.  I feel better knowing that you also were
at Wmart yesterday!  Alyce is shaking her head at both of us.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:44 AM 5/7/2003 -0400, Neal Traven wrote:
>On Tue, 6 May 2003 13:07:48 -0400, Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM> wrote:
>
> >Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.
>
>My condolences to friends and family.
>
>Thanks to Adam for relaying the sad news to me and who knows how many other
>prodigal wordslers.  I never met Alyce, since Germantown isn't close enough
>to Hillsdale (or anywhere else, it often seemed) to have made a Falcon Ridge
>sidetrip seem feasible.  We didn't <connect> particularly well or
>particularly often, so I have no cherished backchannel conversations to
>report on.  That's my loss and my misfortune.
.
Yes, a pity.  Alyce was what I would call a *true* list giant.

Betty

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>It's funny, but I went to Wal-Mart yesterday afternoon, too, to buy a
>microwave oven--both things that Alyce would have chastised me for.

Jeff!    Oh   -   my   -  God.   Now we know she's really gone!   ;-)

>I never quite understood the microwave thing--whether she was worried about
>radiation, or just too much of a traditionalist to have one in her kitchen,
>I'll never know.

Clyde used to debunk microwave ovens.  He said "I've never been in that
much of a hurry."  But our present house came with one and now he uses it
frequently.   My guess is much of Alyce's reluctance was the "new-fangled
junk" prejudice.

Jeff will you please tell us what you are doing each day in the
house?   I'd love to hear about which rooms get cleaned out, what happens
to the stuffed toys, the beautiful furniture, what the surfaces look like
it the kitchen once decluttered, when you find those scarp books, etc.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jeff Rankin wrote:

>microwave oven--both things that Alyce would have chastised me for. I never
>quite understood the microwave thing--whether she was worried about
>radiation, or just too much of a traditionalist to have one in her kitchen,
>I'll never know.

I think you might eventually know.

I am reading an extraordinary book:

Duncan, David James. 1995. _River Teeth: Stories and Writings_. Doubleday.

In it, some narrators of stories recount coming to know/understand
things long after the deaths of individuals (or, in at least one case,
animals).

I recommend the book highly. Maybe Alyce had a copy?

Bethany

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Jeff:
= Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

Jeff,  my condolences to you and your family.

steph

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Alyce was indeed remembered by name at the office of Morning Prayer this
morning at St. John's Cathedral. I am trying to locate a photo of the
interior of the chapel, where MP is held.

Bethany

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>
>Jeff will you please tell us what you are doing each day in the
>house?   I'd love to hear about which rooms get cleaned out, what happens
>to the stuffed toys, the beautiful furniture, what the surfaces look like
>it the kitchen once decluttered, when you find those scarp books, etc.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I'll give it a shot. BTW, I just ordered a 20-yard dumpster for basement
and attic emptying primarily. Even for those areas, however, I'm going to
have to examine every box, jar, envelope, etc., for possible treasures.

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:-(  This is sad news indeed. My condolences to all her friends.

Melanie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Hartfield [mailto:adamh1@attbi.com]

> It saddens me to inform you of Wordsler Alyce Cresap's death
> today. While
> not unexpected or sudden, it still is unsettling, and I
> thought you should
> know.
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Could you please post the address for the Germantown Library?

Are they prepared to set up an Alyce Cresap memorial fund?

What's happening now with Alyce's books?  Has the sale started?

We're a nosy (as well as noisy) bunch and <need> to know.
--
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At 08:59 AM 5/7/2003, you wrote:
>On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jeff Rankin wrote:
>
> >microwave oven--both things that Alyce would have chastised me for. I never
> >quite understood the microwave thing--whether she was worried about
> >radiation, or just too much of a traditionalist to have one in her kitchen,
> >I'll never know.
>
>I think you might eventually know.
>
>I am reading an extraordinary book:
>
>Duncan, David James. 1995. _River Teeth: Stories and Writings_. Doubleday.
>
>In it, some narrators of stories recount coming to know/understand
>things long after the deaths of individuals (or, in at least one case,
>animals).
>
>I recommend the book highly. Maybe Alyce had a copy?
>
>Bethany


Quite possibly. I'll be on the lookout. Thanks.

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--On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:07 PM -0400 Jeff <oldertwin@HOTPOP.COM> wrote:

>Alyce Cresap died  today at 11:58 a.m. EDT. She will be missed.

We knew this was coming, but this is very sad. My condolences, Jeff.

-rashmi

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At 09:45 AM 5/7/2003 -0400, Jeff Rankin wrote:

>I'll give it a shot. BTW, I just ordered a 20-yard dumpster for basement
>and attic emptying primarily. Even for those areas, however, I'm going to
>have to examine every box, jar, envelope, etc., for possible treasures.

Of course you do! What a mixture of emotions it will be but what a treasure
for you to be able to do this, too.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:
> On microwaves:
>."  But our present house came with one and now he uses it
> frequently.   My guess is much of Alyce's reluctance was the "new-fangled
> junk" prejudice.

My guess is practicality for Alyce.  Food was a bother.  Why would she
need a microwave? For Alyce a microwave would be in the way.  She had
better uses for her kitchen space 8-).

Like Bonnie, I hope Jeff will share the news of the adventure of
exploring Alyce's house.





> Jeff will you please tell us what you are doing each day in the
> house?   I'd love to hear about which rooms get cleaned out, what happens
> to the stuffed toys, the beautiful furniture, what the surfaces look like
> it the kitchen once decluttered, when you find those scarp books, etc.
>
>     --bonniev


--
Sylvia Edwards
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Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 9:37:10 AM, Neal Traven wrote:
> BTW, I skipped Survivor and Outbreak (and waka) threads long before I
> stopped being a regular reader.  Maybe even deleted them unread.  It was,
> perhaps, my little protest demonstration in support of thread-relabeling.

Whatever. You missed some good Alyce stories by Jeff, that's all.

Karen

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Wed, 7 May 2003 06:58:09 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Neal Traven wrote:
>
>> Maybe if Survivor ever occupied something less than half of the list.  Hell,
>
>Neal has been gone too long.  He doesn't even remember how subject
>headers often work on Words-L.  Anybody who skipped those labeled
>"Survivor" the past four or five days missed some very special postings.

The three sentences in this paragraph have no logical connection.

1) I can't comment on your value judgment about the length of my, umm, hiatus.

2) You have no way of knowing whether or not I recall thread drift (I do).

3) It's always possible that skipping threads can result in missing
high-quality postings.  Sobeit.

BTW, I skipped Survivor and Outbreak (and waka) threads long before I
stopped being a regular reader.  Maybe even deleted them unread.  It was,
perhaps, my little protest demonstration in support of thread-relabeling.

neal

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> Tushar is very human.

And godDAM can he string words together.

--
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At 10:37 AM 5/7/2003 -0400, Neal Traven wrote:

>BTW, I skipped Survivor and Outbreak (and waka) threads long before I
>stopped being a regular reader.  Maybe even deleted them unread.  It was,
>perhaps, my little protest demonstration in support of thread-relabeling.
>
>neal

Did it do any good?  :-)

Betty

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    Today's WSJ, front page, above the fold, column four, first graf:
"Beethoven's soaring Ode to Joy from the Ninth Symphony doesn't have
official lyrics."
    It don't???  You could've fooled me.  Then what's the chorus been
bellowing all these years?  Anyone know what the hell they're talking
about?

JMW

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JMW, the chorus-bellower:
>Anyone know what the hell they're talking about?

My guess: Since those aren't the
only set of words paired with that
tune (I bet "Joyful, joyful we adore
thee" comes to mind), they're "official"
in WSJ-ese only when you're doing the
symphony.

--
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 > > Tushar is very human.

>And godDAM can he string words together.

Yes. I'm glad Tushar shared that with the list. I'm not good at
finding the right words on such occasions and was grateful for
all the posts expressing what Alyce meant to us on worlds-l.

-rashmi

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> Tushar,
>
> Before she became bedridden a week ago, Alyce would sit next to me, and I
> would read her email to her. The first thing she would always have me do
> was check to see if there's anything from Tushar! "Please look! Is there
> anything from Tushar?"

This is great to hear! To get to know about these ties between them!

> Thanks for bringing such joy to her in her final months.

I cannot explain it, but I, too, feel grateful to Tushar for it, and, then,
for his post on his memories, too.

Kristin

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John Williams quotes,

>"Beethoven's soaring Ode to Joy from the Ninth Symphony doesn't have
>official lyrics."

Maybe thirty years of Beethoven thinking and toiling and marrying the words
and the music don't count.

Ingrid Schwaegermann has extensive details about the history and background
of the Ode to Joy at <http://ludwig0van0beethoven.tripod.com/odeintro.htm>.

Pete

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JOY
HOW THE ODE TO IT WAS WRITTEN







> John Williams quotes,
>
> >"Beethoven's soaring Ode to Joy from the Ninth Symphony doesn't have
> >official lyrics."
>
> Maybe thirty years of Beethoven thinking and toiling and marrying the words
> and the music don't count.
>
> Ingrid Schwaegermann has extensive details about the history and background
> of the Ode to Joy at <http://ludwig0van0beethoven.tripod.com/odeintro.htm>.
>
> Pete

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Please let's not start acting like Alyce's hatred of WalMart was an
eccentric foible, not to be taken seriously and to be disregarded at the
drop of an Alyce.

Alyce was talking quasi-slavery and sweatshops, and I think she had good
reason to.  Any of my backchannel talk with Alyce (and there wasn't much
of it, because like most everybody else I don't like to think about the
implications of my consumer behavior) was about horrible worker
situations.  I say "she had good reason to" because that was my
impression on the rare times I followed a link she suggested and read the
nastiness.

So if hating Walmart is going to go down in list lore as one of Alyce's
charming quirks, then screw that.  I'm not going to do the necessary
research to back up Alyce's opinion, but at least I hope that "Walmart"
will not become a recurring JOKE, jeez.

Ann

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 2:22:07 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Please let's not start acting like Alyce's hatred of WalMart was an
> eccentric foible, not to be taken seriously and to be disregarded at the
> drop of an Alyce.

I disregarded it while she was alive. That doesn't mean that I don't
take it seriously and that I don't think her position was
well-founded, because I do.

Karen

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Ah HA!

It's the _European Anthem_ (which
is set to OtJ) that does not have
"official lyrics".

http://online.wsj.com/public/us

--
does a *continent* really need an anthem?

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>does a *continent* really need an anthem?

Sure. Why not? They could all use one.

AS

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Probably everybody who's interested already knows this BUT Salam Pax has
resurfaced.  Yay.

http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

Ann

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AS:
>>does a *continent* really need an anthem?
> Sure. Why not? They could all use one.

I'm getting a majorly creepy Winston
Smith vibe from the idea.

Not that a national anthem is really
any different (in the Smithian vibe
way), of course.

--
Richard                   |-

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, again, all around wrote:

> I'm getting a majorly creepy Winston
> Smith vibe from the idea.
>
> Not that a national anthem is really
> any different (in the Smithian vibe
> way), of course.

Uh Huh.  And how did -you- celebrate Loyalty Day, Mr. Richard?

Ann

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Ann:
> Uh Huh.  And how did -you- celebrate Loyalty Day, Mr. Richard?

EVERY DAY IS LOYALTY DAY you pinko!

--
Richard                   |-

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> > Please let's not start acting like Alyce's hatred of WalMart was an
> > eccentric foible, not to be taken seriously and to be disregarded at the
> > drop of an Alyce.
>
>I disregarded it while she was alive. That doesn't mean that I don't
>take it seriously and that I don't think her position was
>well-founded, because I do.      --Karen

Alyce herself could make a joke of it!  There was quite a twinkle in her
eye when she commented over dinner about Natalie's VISA bill being easy to
read:   Walmart, Walmart, Walmart.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> Yes, a pity.  Alyce was what I would call a *true* list giant.

Indeed she was.

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Neal Traven wrote:
> >> Maybe if Survivor ever occupied something less than half of the list.  Hell,
> >
> >Neal has been gone too long.  He doesn't even remember how subject
> >headers often work on Words-L.  Anybody who skipped those labeled
> >"Survivor" the past four or five days missed some very special postings.
>
> The three sentences in this paragraph have no logical connection.

They do to some of us.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> So if hating Walmart is going to go down in list lore as one of Alyce's
> charming quirks, then screw that.

I don't think anybody thought of it as a "charming quirk."  It was her
sincere belief.

> I'm not going to do the necessary
> research to back up Alyce's opinion, but at least I hope that "Walmart"
> will not become a recurring JOKE, jeez.

It has been for years.  I don't expect it to increase now.  It will
probably decrease.  Even Alyce, though quite serious about the cause,
could laugh about it at times.

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jeff Rankin wrote:

> I agree, and I avoid Wal-Mart as often as possible, except when convenience
> dictates, not only because of its sweatshop ethic, but because I hate the
> way shelves are stocked and the crowded conditions. I had to drive 20 miles
> to reach the Wal-Mart yesterday, but it was the closest department store I
> could find and open 24 hours.

Right.  I'm not sayin THAT. . .

Ann

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At 03:22 PM 5/7/2003, you wrote:
>Please let's not start acting like Alyce's hatred of WalMart was an
>eccentric foible, not to be taken seriously and to be disregarded at the
>drop of an Alyce.

I agree, and I avoid Wal-Mart as often as possible, except when convenience
dictates, not only because of its sweatshop ethic, but because I hate the
way shelves are stocked and the crowded conditions. I had to drive 20 miles
to reach the Wal-Mart yesterday, but it was the closest department store I
could find and open 24 hours.

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Could someone please post the URL for the Scrabble game sometimes mentioned
on this <service>? Some of us foresee some "spare time" during the summer
...

Merci en avance ...

AS

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http://thepixiepit.co.uk/


>Could someone please post the URL for the Scrabble game sometimes mentioned
>on this <service>? Some of us foresee some "spare time" during the summer
>...
>
>Merci en avance ...
>
>AS

    --bonniev

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5/7/2003, 1:37 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>does a *continent* really need an anthem?

ABS> Sure. Why not? They could all use one.

    If they're the European Union in particular, it seems particularly
    relevant.  After all, the music would seem at least as binding as
    the money.
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So what have you been doing with yourself the past howevermany months,
Cyclops?  How's the Emerald Queen?  How's library porno?  How's life in
general?

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>From an office email:

> Today we are launching our ******************* service.  "Great
> job" to all of those who contributed to the development of the
> product, which was practically everyone!

Maybe our work sucked, but he didn't have to be so sarcastic.

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02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> I guess I'm just not a partyer. I hate talking BS and getting drunk. Mostly,
> I show up at bday parties just because I know it means a lot to someone to
> have their  good friend there.

The flip side of this is, I means nothing to ME to (a) have a party for
my birthday or a day of any significance, and (b) have "good friends"
show up. So I don't truly understand how someone would like this sort
of thing.

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T Bone tells us:

>The flip side of this is, I means nothing to ME to (a) have a party for
>my birthday or a day of any significance, and (b) have "good friends"
>show up. So I don't truly understand how someone would like this sort
>of thing.

I feel the same.  However, I've found it difficult to convince people that
birthdays don't really mean all that much to me.  They think I'm being
modest.  Or I just don't want people to go to any trouble.  When the god's
honest truth is that celebrating my birthday just doesn't seem like that
big a deal.  It's just a day like every other day.


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:12:18 PM, bonniev wrote:
> It's just a day like every other day.

I like being the center of attention at least one day/year.

Karen

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>  bonniev wrote:
> > It's just a day like every other day.
>
>I like being the center of attention at least one day/year.
>Karen

All you have to do is break a divider screen.  You don't need no stinkin'
birthday as an excuse!


    --bonniev

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:20:23 PM, bonniev wrote:
> All you have to do is break a divider screen.  You don't need no stinkin'
> birthday as an excuse!

If you had ever done this, you would know that that only works once.
Besides, there's the whole negative attention thang...

Karen

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02003-05-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:12:18 PM, bonniev wrote:
> > It's just a day like every other day.
>
> I like being the center of attention at least one day/year.

I hate it every day of the year.

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bonniev wrote:

> I feel the same.  However, I've found it difficult to convince people that
> birthdays don't really mean all that much to me.  They think I'm being
> modest.  Or I just don't want people to go to any trouble.  When the god's
> honest truth is that celebrating my birthday just doesn't seem like that
> big a deal.  It's just a day like every other day.

My birthday has for a good while now been just like any other day except
that Wordslers tell me happy bday.  Nobody in my ftf life knows when it
is -- not that I have tried to keep it a <secret> -- the subject just
hasn't come up.  Oh -- I do always get a bday card from an old boyfriend
whose bday is ten days before mine.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:32:17 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:12:18 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > It's just a day like every other day.
>>
>> I like being the center of attention at least one day/year.

> I hate it every day of the year.

Then I'll take your day.:)

Karen

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Thank you for the news, Adam.  I shall miss sparring with Alyce, and the
used book trade has suffered a loss.  My condolences to her friends and
family.

> Hello Words-L Nomailers and Those Who Haven't Posted In Forever,
>
> It saddens me to inform you of Wordsler Alyce Cresap's death today. While
> not unexpected or sudden, it still is unsettling, and I thought you should
> know.
>
> Tune into the list for more news, or feel free to email me back.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com

ATTITUDE is a nine letter word.  BOATSPEED.

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> I hope that Adam will
> honor this tradition and set Alyce's address that way too, as a permanent
> memorial, and a reminder of all she brought to the group.

I have set Alyce's Listserv setting to NOMAIL and NORENEW as Anne has
suggested. It is a good idea.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:50:45 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> I hope that Adam will
>> honor this tradition and set Alyce's address that way too, as a permanent
>> memorial, and a reminder of all she brought to the group.

> I have set Alyce's Listserv setting to NOMAIL and NORENEW as Anne has
> suggested. It is a good idea.

Yes.

Though it briefly passed through my mind that UGA would cease to host
us when the whole list is NOMAIL and NORENEW...

Karen

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Ah, the Big Orange Screw - it was in force big time today. I'm almost
tempted to write a letter the editor of the local rag. Instead, I'll
write our pres.

First, the univ. scheduled 2-hour exaam periods for daytime classes for
5-7 p.m. every day this week (M-R). That created problems for both
students (many of whom work, often in restaurants in the evening) and also
faculty, some of whom actually have a life after 5 p.m. (choir practice,
etc.).

SECOND - and I learned this only tonight - the Univ.. ALSO scheduled a
concert by the Dixic Chicks on campus tonight - and jacked up the parking
lot prices to $5 all over campus before4 5 p.m.. One of my students was
unable to come to our last meeting because she got to campus without $5!

And Shumaker says he is interested in positive PR -- yeah right!

I am disgusted.

Bethany

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> T Bone tells us:
>
> >The flip side of this is, I means nothing to ME to (a) have a party
for
> >my birthday or a day of any significance, and (b) have "good friends"
> >show up. So I don't truly understand how someone would like this sort
> >of thing.
>
> I feel the same.  However, I've found it difficult to convince people
that
> birthdays don't really mean all that much to me.  They think I'm being
> modest.  Or I just don't want people to go to any trouble.  When the
god's
> honest truth is that celebrating my birthday just doesn't seem like
that
> big a deal.  It's just a day like every other day.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I'm the same way about birthdays.
I don't even take notice of my own unless
someone points it out to me.  Certainly
don't expect presents or even cards.

           - D. M.

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Let's hear it for the Dixie Chicks!!

Betty

At 07:44 PM 5/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Ah, the Big Orange Screw - it was in force big time today. I'm almost
>tempted to write a letter the editor of the local rag. Instead, I'll
>write our pres.
>
>First, the univ. scheduled 2-hour exaam periods for daytime classes for
>5-7 p.m. every day this week (M-R). That created problems for both
>students (many of whom work, often in restaurants in the evening) and also
>faculty, some of whom actually have a life after 5 p.m. (choir practice,
>etc.).
>
>SECOND - and I learned this only tonight - the Univ.. ALSO scheduled a
>concert by the Dixic Chicks on campus tonight - and jacked up the parking
>lot prices to $5 all over campus before4 5 p.m.. One of my students was
>unable to come to our last meeting because she got to campus without $5!
>
>And Shumaker says he is interested in positive PR -- yeah right!
>
>I am disgusted.
>
>Bethany

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02003-05-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:32:17 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-05-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:12:18 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >> > It's just a day like every other day.
> >>
> >> I like being the center of attention at least one day/year.
>
> > I hate it every day of the year.
>
> Then I'll take your day.:)

I am not the center of attention then.

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One of them tests:

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>Ah, the Big Orange Screw - it was in force big time today. ... ...
>>I am disgusted.
>>Bethany

Ah, nothing sucks like a Big Orange.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>Let's hear it for the Dixie Chicks!!

Do you say that because you like the idea that students cannot get to
their final exams?

Bethany

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 6:44:59 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> First, the univ. scheduled 2-hour exaam periods for daytime classes for
> 5-7 p.m. every day this week (M-R). That created problems for both
> students (many of whom work, often in restaurants in the evening) and also
> faculty, some of whom actually have a life after 5 p.m. (choir practice,
> etc.).

And final exam week is no different from any other week of the year?!

> SECOND - and I learned this only tonight - the Univ.. ALSO scheduled a
> concert by the Dixic Chicks on campus tonight

I can't believe this was such an impromptu deal.

> I am disgusted.

I am amazed--by you.

Karen

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>http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
>(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I got the sixth level of Hell !    I love the page that says   "You Have
Been Judged".


    --bonniev

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> One of them tests:
>
> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

I was put into Limbo. I wonder why I was called a virtuous non-believer,
though....

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> First, the univ. scheduled 2-hour exaam periods for daytime classes for
>> 5-7 p.m. every day this week (M-R). That created problems for both
>> students (many of whom work, often in restaurants in the evening) and also
>> faculty, some of whom actually have a life after 5 p.m. (choir practice,
>> etc.).
>
>And final exam week is no different from any other week of the year?!

I don't understand your question - what are you asking me? We have 2-hour
exam periods only during the final week of a semester.

>> SECOND - and I learned this only tonight - the Univ.. ALSO scheduled a
>> concert by the Dixic Chicks on campus tonight
>
>I can't believe this was such an impromptu deal.

Tell that to my student!

>> I am disgusted.
>
>I am amazed--by you.

Why? Don't you think that students have a right to attend final exam.
periods? As it happens, I do not use the final period to give a final, but
if I had scheduled one today, it would have been a disaster for the
student short the $5.

Bethany

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On 7 May 2003 at 20:43, bonniev wrote:

> I got the sixth level of Hell !

I thought I saw a familiar face.

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Has InstaPundit whinged about it yet?

> Ah, the Big Orange Screw - it was in force big time today. I'm almost
> tempted to write a letter the editor of the local rag. Instead, I'll
> write our pres.
>
> First, the univ. scheduled 2-hour exaam periods for daytime classes for
> 5-7 p.m. every day this week (M-R). That created problems for both
> students (many of whom work, often in restaurants in the evening) and also
> faculty, some of whom actually have a life after 5 p.m. (choir practice,
> etc.).
>
> SECOND - and I learned this only tonight - the Univ.. ALSO scheduled a
> concert by the Dixic Chicks on campus tonight - and jacked up the parking
> lot prices to $5 all over campus before4 5 p.m.. One of my students was
> unable to come to our last meeting because she got to campus without $5!
>
> And Shumaker says he is interested in positive PR -- yeah right!
>
> I am disgusted.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com

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In a message dated 05/07/2003 7:47:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
I was put into Limbo. I wonder why I was called a virtuous non-believer,
though....

>>

According to the test, that's where virtuous non-believers go
(from what people on other lists have told me).

Evidently this test is so popular it's been removed from the
server.

Evelyn Duncan
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> First, the univ. scheduled 2-hour exaam periods for daytime classes for
> 5-7 p.m. every day this week (M-R). That created problems for both

When did UT return to having final exams?  When I was there, there were
no final exams.  Word was that the students had voted them out a year or
two before.

> students (many of whom work, often in restaurants in the evening) and also
> faculty, some of whom actually have a life after 5 p.m. (choir practice,
> etc.).

Our exams are all scheduled for 8-11 or 12-3 or 3-6, except for
once-a-week night classes, which meet for three hours anyway and have
their exams at their regular meeting time.

> SECOND - and I learned this only tonight - the Univ.. ALSO scheduled a
> concert by the Dixic Chicks on campus tonight - and jacked up the parking
> lot prices to $5 all over campus before4 5 p.m.. One of my students was
> unable to come to our last meeting because she got to campus without $5!

I'm surprised on two counts.  One is the parking situation you're
talking about when exams are scheduled, and, even more than that, that
something like that would be scheduled during exams anyway.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I am disgusted.
>
> I am amazed--by you.

Why?  I would be mightily annoyed if students scheduled to take final
exams suddenly discovered that they couldn't park on campus.  I've been
mightily annoyed when on Saturday exams the classrooms have been locked
and it took calling the campus police to get them unlocked.  I think
students should be shown respect.  If the university schedules an exam
at a time the university offices are closed, then somebody should see
that the classrooms remain unlocked.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Though it briefly passed through my mind that UGA would cease to host
> us when the whole list is NOMAIL and NORENEW...

They will surely erect a monument in our memory, though.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> One of them tests:
>
> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
> (I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

I don't understand.  How does Dante fit into this?  The test I took was
about personality disorders, and all I saw in the results was that I was
"low" in them.
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
> >
> >(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
> >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> I got the sixth level of Hell !    I love the page that says   "You Have
> Been Judged".

I don't understand how I ended up at a site that didn't say anything
like that.  Something is amiss.

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > One of them tests:
> >
> > http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
> I was put into Limbo. I wonder why I was called a virtuous non-believer,
> though....
>

"The server is getting slammed by so many people taking the Dante Inferno
Test. To prevent the server from crashing, we've taken the test down
temporarily. Please excuse this inconvenience."

Which level of hell is that?
clo

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> "The server is getting slammed by so many people taking the Dante Inferno
> Test. To prevent the server from crashing, we've taken the test down
> temporarily. Please excuse this inconvenience."

Hmm.  I didn't notice that message either.  Maybe it was there.

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>When did UT return to having final exams?  When I was there, there were
>no final exams.  Word was that the students had voted them out a year or
>two before.

Before 1974, so far as I know - I do not recall a time when there were
not final exam periods.

>I'm surprised on two counts.  One is the parking situation you're
>talking about when exams are scheduled, and, even more than that, that
>something like that would be scheduled during exams anyway.

You and me both! Exams continue at 8 a.m. tomorrow.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >When did UT return to having final exams?  When I was there, there were
> >no final exams.  Word was that the students had voted them out a year or
> >two before.
>
> Before 1974, so far as I know - I do not recall a time when there were
> not final exam periods.

There were no final exam periods between fall '74 and summer '76.  I
remember finding that fascinating.

> You and me both! Exams continue at 8 a.m. tomorrow.

Ours ended at 6 p.m. today.  My last one was Monday.  Except for
answering students' e-mail about why they didn't make higher grades, I
am <free as a bird>.  Since I can't teach summer school because of
retirement rules, I am free for a long time -- maybe forever.  I have
never not taught summer school (except for the summer I spent at an NEH
seminar at U of Chicago).  This is indeed a strange feeling.

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> On 7 May 2003 at 20:43, bonniev wrote:
>
> > I got the sixth level of Hell !
>
> I thought I saw a familiar face.

You guys passed me on the third level
as you went down.

          - D. M.

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>There were no final exam periods between fall '74 and summer '76.  I
>remember finding that fascinating.

Interesting - I probably just thought that that was a peculiarity of the
quarter
sytem, which I found very peculiar indeed. I was delighted when we
abandoned it.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> >There were no final exam periods between fall '74 and summer '76.  I
> >remember finding that fascinating.
>
> Interesting - I probably just thought that that was a peculiarity of the
> quarter
> sytem, which I found very peculiar indeed. I was delighted when we
> abandoned it.

I would have thought it was a peculiarity of the quarter system if
people hadn't said that they had in fact had exam periods until a year
or two before that but that the students had voted to do away with final
exams and the university decided to do that.

In most ways I think the quarter system was bad, although I did find it
fun to change more often -- as in the classes I was teaching and the
classes I was taking.  I like change of that kind.  Sort of like I like
moving.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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02003-05-07 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Hey Tushar, are you a Cubs fan?

No. Are you a Chili's fan?

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>No. Are you a Chili's fan?

Not since they lost the '87 Series.

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>They will surely erect a monument in our memory, though.


We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
soon.

-aht

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02003-05-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> One of them tests:
>
> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
> (I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

I'm'o kick your purgatory ass ...

As for me: "Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are two that share in your fate."

COME TO PAPI CHULO

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I don't understand how I ended up at a site that didn't say anything
> like that.  Something is amiss.

I just went back to the site and took the only test I saw again, and
still nothing about the Inferno showed up.  Just a list of ten
<disorders> and my score for each of them -- as in "low."  I scrolled
all the way to the bottom of the page but still found nothing about
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Hey Tushar, are you a Cubs fan?

-a

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02003-05-07 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >No. Are you a Chili's fan?
>
> Not since they lost the '87 Series.

Same as me.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 8:53:19 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> On 7 May 2003 at 20:43, bonniev wrote:
>>
>> > I got the sixth level of Hell !
>>
>> I thought I saw a familiar face.

> You guys passed me on the third level
> as you went down.

I made the 8th level--mostly because I got bored after about 5
questions and pressed the submit button.

Karen

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On Wed, 7 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:

> >They will surely erect a monument in our memory, though.
>
>
> We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
> soon.
>
> -aht

If I meet any I'll be sure and mention it to them.
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I've been mightily annoyed when on Saturday exams the classrooms
> > have been locked and it took calling the campus police to get them
> > unlocked. I think students should be shown respect. If the
> > university schedules an exam at a time the university offices are
> > closed, then somebody should see that the classrooms remain
> > unlocked.
>
> I agree, but I wouldn't put parking on campus in the same category.

I would.  It's worse in a way since in the locked-classroom case nobody
can get in.  In the parking case there might be some students who lived
on campus or within walking distance or some so rich that they could pay
any price for the surprise parking fee.  That wouldn't be fair.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2003, 8:17:54 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I am disgusted.
>>
>> I am amazed--by you.

> Why?

Because it's unlikely that the Dixie Chicks was an impromptu event.

> I've been mightily annoyed when on Saturday exams the classrooms
> have been locked and it took calling the campus police to get them
> unlocked. I think students should be shown respect. If the
> university schedules an exam at a time the university offices are
> closed, then somebody should see that the classrooms remain
> unlocked.

I agree, but I wouldn't put parking on campus in the same category.

Karen

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|You are one of the lucky ones! Because of your virtue and beliefs, you
have escaped |eternal punishment.
|You are sent to the First Level of Hell - Limbo!

But what a goofy site that is.  How did you know to keep scrolling down,
down, down on that first page until you found something that said
"calcuate results"?  Results of what, I don't know.  But I hit it and
got the above results.

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At least my grades are done - I'll turn them in tomorrow - before my
afternoon appointment to have another dental implant. This one hurts -
financially - because it was not budgeted for in advance. What was
budgeted for was a new crown. But when my dentist removed a crown more
than 16 years old, he discovered that there was little beneath it ... so
some of this will be paid for with after-tax dollars - and that
is strictly against my principles.

The worst part is that I had to schedule it for afternoon,and I will not
be able to eat or drink after about 9 a.m.

But I should not have to do this again in 16+ years -

Bethany

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Natalie, bonniev wrote:

> > I feel the same.  However, I've found it difficult to convince people
>that
> > birthdays don't really mean all that much to me.  They think I'm being
> > modest.  Or I just don't want people to go to any trouble.  When the
>god's
> > honest truth is that celebrating my birthday just doesn't seem like that
> > big a deal.  It's just a day like every other day.

Exactly. Most people seem to enjoy celebrating their birthdays and  I have a
hard time convincing friends that I really don't want to make a big deal of
my
birthday. It's just another day.

>My birthday has for a good while now been just like any other day except
>that Wordslers tell me happy bday.

Same here except that my parents always remember and call to wish me.

-rashmi

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--On Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:24 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>| You are one of the lucky ones! Because of your virtue and beliefs, you
> have escaped |eternal punishment.
>| You are sent to the First Level of Hell - Limbo!
>

Count me in the Limbo crowd.

Terry

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> 02003-05-06 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > I guess I'm just not a partyer. I hate talking BS and getting
> drunk. Mostly,
> > I show up at bday parties just because I know it means a lot to
> someone to
> > have their  good friend there.
>
> The flip side of this is, I means nothing to ME to (a) have a party for
> my birthday or a day of any significance, and (b) have "good friends"
> show up. So I don't truly understand how someone would like this sort
> of thing.

Well, I've never been one to throw a bday party for myself. Back in college,
it seemed like every year someone threw me a surprise party, but usually, I
get together with my folks or a couple friends. Or, done something by
myself.

Sandra

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>
> > One of them tests:
> >
> > http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
> I was put into Limbo. I wonder why I was called a virtuous non-believer,
> though....
>
> --Adam

I shocked myself when I decided to mark that I believe in God. Maybe I'm at
a new place with this.

Regardless, that the longest ****amn test I've ever taken...and I quit
3/5ths of the way through. I'm sure I'm destined for Hell.

Sandra

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At 09:10 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>>They will surely erect a monument in our memory, though.
>
>
>We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
>soon.

What's normal?

Betty

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Rashmi Murthy:
= > > Tushar is very human.
=
= >And godDAM can he string words together.
=
= Yes. I'm glad Tushar shared that with the list. I'm not good at
= finding the right words on such occasions and was grateful for
= all the posts expressing what Alyce meant to us on worlds-l.
=
= -rashmi
=

Me too.  I'm not good at finding any words at all, let alone the
right ones now.

steph

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This is pretty close to where I work:

<http://home.xnet.com/~drench/fearless_leader.jpg>

I think it would be great to go around pasting this
on all sorts of places. Who's going to stop you?

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-05-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > One of them tests:
= >
= > http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
= >
= > (I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
=
= I'm'o kick your purgatory ass ...
=
= As for me: "Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are two that share in your fate."
=
= COME TO PAPI CHULO

ah, so glad to see you here on the 2nd level

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Tushar Samant:
= This is pretty close to where I work:
=
= <http://home.xnet.com/~drench/fearless_leader.jpg>
=
= I think it would be great to go around pasting this
= on all sorts of places. Who's going to stop you?

I just worry about the trouble you might get in if caught
defacing it.

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02003-05-08 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = This is pretty close to where I work:
> =
> = <http://home.xnet.com/~drench/fearless_leader.jpg>
> =
> = I think it would be great to go around pasting this
> = on all sorts of places. Who's going to stop you?
>
> I just worry about the trouble you might get in if caught
> defacing it.

What kind of mannerless ungrateful asshole would want to deface?
This is neither the time nor the place for personal indulgences.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-05-08 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = This is pretty close to where I work:
= > =
= > = <http://home.xnet.com/~drench/fearless_leader.jpg>
= > =
= > = I think it would be great to go around pasting this
= > = on all sorts of places. Who's going to stop you?
= >
= > I just worry about the trouble you might get in if caught
= > defacing it.
=
= What kind of mannerless ungrateful asshole would want to deface?
= This is neither the time nor the place for personal indulgences.

What does personal indulgence have to do with it?  There are
plenty of organized groups who will attempt to elect the
warmongering Bush out of office next time.  The country is not a
federal office with a portrait of the president hanging up behind
the receptionist, you know.

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02003-05-08 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> What does personal indulgence have to do with it?  There are
> plenty of organized groups who will attempt to elect the
> warmongering Bush out of office next time.

As I said, that would be a pretty stupid idea--this is neither
the time nor the place to pull idiosyncratic personal stunts
just to be cool.

> The country is not a federal office with a portrait of the
> president hanging up behind the receptionist, you know.

Thanks for your cold uncaring attitude towards the troops.

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19:29 07.05.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>One of them tests:
>
>http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
>(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

I, OTOH found myself placed in the eigth level of hell.

Espen

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sandra wrote:

> I shocked myself when I decided to mark that I believe in God. Maybe I'm at
> a new place with this.
>
> Regardless, that the longest ****amn test I've ever taken...and I quit
> 3/5ths of the way through. I'm sure I'm destined for Hell.

I never saw any questions on that page -- just little dots to the right
and way, way down at the bottom of the blank page a place to click to
get the results.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> This is pretty close to where I work:
>
> <http://home.xnet.com/~drench/fearless_leader.jpg>
>
> I think it would be great to go around pasting this
> on all sorts of places. Who's going to stop you?

I'm surprised it's not on newly minted money.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>I never saw any questions on that page -- just little dots to the right
>and way, way down at the bottom of the blank page a place to click to
>get the results.        -- Natalie

Netscape Sucks


    --bonniev

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Look for me on Level One - "a vituous non-believer"

BrP





> One of them tests:
>
> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
> (I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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I thought it was Amethyst.  Am I misremembering or are you?

BrP



> How's the Emerald Queen?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> > I have set Alyce's Listserv setting to NOMAIL and NORENEW as Anne has
> > suggested. It is a good idea.
>
> Yes.
>
> Though it briefly passed through my mind that UGA would cease to host
> us when the whole list is NOMAIL and NORENEW...
>
> Karen

I think I want "Gone nomail" on my gravestone when I die.

BrP

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> Netscape Sucks
>
>
>     --bonniev

like a Big Orange?

BrP

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> > Netscape Sucks
> >     --bonniev
>
>like a Big Orange?
>BrP

No, no.  <Nothing> sucks like a Big Orange.


    --bonniev

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On Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 18:04, Tushar Samant wrote:

> From an office email:
>
> > Today we are launching our ******************* service.  "Great
> > job" to all of those who contributed to the development of the
> > product, which was practically everyone!
>
> Maybe our work sucked, but he didn't have to be so sarcastic.

So how *do* (uh, "do"?) you phrase something like this? It seems
somewhere on a border - there'd be no problem with:
A pat on the back to all of those...
or:
A great big thank you to all of those...
but there's something that begins to provoke a misparse with:
Great job to all of those...
It calls for some sort of delimiter, or wimpy rephrasing to avoid the
problem.

"Have a nice day!"
"Tony H."

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At 07:09 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>      --bonniev
>
>I'm the same way about birthdays.
>I don't even take notice of my own unless
>someone points it out to me.  Certainly
>don't expect presents or even cards.
>
>            - D. M.

I fall into the "too embarrassed to mention it" category. Prior to Tina I
was happy to have cake with my family.

My uncle and I share the same birthday and it's not been uncommon for it to
fall on Father's Day. Usually my cakes said..
Happy Father's Day Dad
Happy Birthday Jimmy and Lisa

My 30th birthday was the only one I wanted to be special and the only one I
insisted on having my own cake.

Last year Tina gathered a bunch of friends for dinner and a night out.
Although I did have fun, I was embarrassed and really didn't like the idea
of people buying me dinner.

lisa

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At 07:29 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>One of them tests:
>
>http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
>(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Here's where I landed... I think it was the gay thing..


The wretched King Minos has decided your fate. His tale wraps around his
body 2 times.

The sweet light no longer strikes against your eyes. Your shade has been
banished to... the Second Level of Hell!


Second Level of Hell


----------
You have come to a place mute of all light, where the wind bellows as the
sea does in a tempest. This is the realm where the lustful spend eternity.
Here, sinners are blown around endlessly by the unforgiving winds of
unquenchable desire as punishment for their transgressions. The infernal
hurricane that never rests hurtles the spirits onward in its rapine,
whirling them round, and smiting, it molests them. You have betrayed reason
at the behest of your appetite for pleasure, and so here you are doomed to
remain. Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are two that share in your fate.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 07:09 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >      --bonniev
> >
> >I'm the same way about birthdays.
> >I don't even take notice of my own unless
> >someone points it out to me.  Certainly
> >don't expect presents or even cards.
> >
> >            - D. M.
>

When I was a kid I hated birthdays and Christmas, because I always
wanted specific things, and didn't get them; and I knew I should
be gracious and thankful but had a tough time achieving it.

My idea about birthdays changed when I realized that, if I wanted
to celebrate myself, I could. My idea of a present to myself is a
road trip, and I try every year to be doing something that I really
like that has nothing to do with family obligations.

It doesn't work out often, but when it does I feel really really
good.

clo

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At 08:58 PM 5/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 05/07/2003 7:47:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
>adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:
>
><<
>I was put into Limbo. I wonder why I was called a virtuous non-believer,
>though....
>
> >>
>
>According to the test, that's where virtuous non-believers go
>(from what people on other lists have told me).
>
>Evidently this test is so popular it's been removed from the
>server.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?


It's back online as of 9:15am EST.

lisa

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At 08:01 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>I never saw any questions on that page -- just little dots to the right
>>and way, way down at the bottom of the blank page a place to click to
>>get the results.        -- Natalie
>
>Netscape Sucks
>
>
>    --bonniev

I used Netscape and it was fine. Maybe Natalie hit the server at a bad time.

lisa

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Rita:

>One of them tests:
>
>http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
>(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

I was condemned to the City of Dis to hang with the Heretics -no surprise
there.

-rashmi

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-05-08 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > What does personal indulgence have to do with it?  There are
= > plenty of organized groups who will attempt to elect the
= > warmongering Bush out of office next time.
=
= As I said, that would be a pretty stupid idea--this is neither
= the time nor the place to pull idiosyncratic personal stunts
= just to be cool.
=
= > The country is not a federal office with a portrait of the
= > president hanging up behind the receptionist, you know.
=
= Thanks for your cold uncaring attitude towards the troops.

In case you hadn't noticed, we are no longer at war.  You
remember the speech on the ship, right?

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Anne Toal wrote:

> We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
> soon.

What are we going to do with normal people?

Kristin

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Anne Toal wrote:

>
>
>>We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
>>soon.
>>
>>
Sigh, just when I have decided to return, the qualifications change :-(

Rita L.

Rita Leonard
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At 10:26 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:

>Anne Toal wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
>>>soon.
>>>
>Sigh, just when I have decided to return, the qualifications change :-(
>
>Rita L.

it's okay -- you're grandfathered in, with the rest of us old farts.  ;->.

--Elaine

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 2:48:10 AM, Espen Ore wrote:
> 19:29 07.05.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>>One of them tests:
>>
>>http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>>
>>(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

> I, OTOH found myself placed in the eigth level of hell.

With me! We must be normal.

Karen

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Hey.  What do I need to do to get to the eighth level?  I don't want to be lonely on One.

BrP




Rita:
> I, OTOH found myself placed in the eigth level of hell.
>
> With me! We must be normal.
>
> Karen

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Cyclops:
>After all, the music would seem at least
>as binding as the money.

I think the reason there aren't official
lyrics is a squabble over what language
they'd be in.

That's a tough one to solve.

--
L.L. Zamenhof

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 9:32:37 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Hey.  What do I need to do to get to the eighth level?  I don't want to be lonely on One.

I only answered about 10 of the questions and then pushed the button.

Karen

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I thought of Alyce when I saw this.

Karen

"The Animal Rescue Site is having
trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to
meet their quota of getting free food donated every
day to abused and neglected animals. It takes less
than a minute to go to their site and click on "feed
an animal in need" for free. This doesn't cost you a
thing. Their corporate sponsors/advertisers use the
number of daily visits to donate food to
abandoned/neglected animals in exchange for
advertising.

Here's the web site! Pass it along to people you know.


http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com"

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At 10:50 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
>end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>
>I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
>
>Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>
>/Jim

Good for you, /Jim!

Congratulations...

lisa

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Bradley
>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:50 AM
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>
>I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
>end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>
>I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
>
>Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>
>/Jim
>

Cool. Enjoy your time and your new freedom.


alec

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>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 9:50:19 AM, Jim Bradley wrote:
>> Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>
>YaY! Just in time for sailing season...

Exactly! The melonseed went in last weekend, the catboat
in another few weeks.

/Jim

>
>Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> One of them tests:
>
> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

They say, Schizoid: High

:-(

Otoh, Schizotypal: Moderate.

Well, my answers could be slightly schizoid, for when I had said yes or
no to a question already, then, later on, having almost the same
question, formulated differently, I thought, "It was not exactly like
that, let me give the opposite answer here."

And these questions, "Have you ever...?" -- Well, 30 years ago I might
have been accused as arrogant. What should I answer if that hasn't
happened during the last 30 years? Those asking, "Have you sometimes..."
were even worse. How often is "sometimes"?

Huh. I like Narcissistic: Moderate :) But to get into a better mood I'll
perhaps go on with the recommended Million Dollar test.

Kristin

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>
>Same here except that my parents always remember and call to wish me.
>
>-rashmi
>

Family calling is ok on birthdays for me. They survived me as a child.



alec

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Ours ended at 6 p.m. today.  My last one was Monday.  Except for
> answering students' e-mail about why they didn't make higher grades,

phew!

>   Since I can't teach summer school because of
> retirement rules,

Will it be possible in summers coming? Teaching summer schools seems to fit so
well for retired teachers with much experience who are free as birds during the
rest of the year.

Kristin

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I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.

I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.

Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.

/Jim

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 9:50:19 AM, Jim Bradley wrote:
> Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.

YaY! Just in time for sailing season...

Karen

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Jim Bradley wrote:
>
> I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
> end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>
> I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
>
> Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>
> /Jim

Congrats!
clo

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> > > I have set Alyce's Listserv setting to NOMAIL and NORENEW as Anne
has
> > > suggested. It is a good idea.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Though it briefly passed through my mind that UGA would cease to
host
> > us when the whole list is NOMAIL and NORENEW...
> >
> > Karen
>
> I think I want "Gone nomail" on my gravestone when I die.
>
> BrP

If it hasn't already been thought of, I predict that one
of these days among our spam messages will be one
that says "We can help you communicate with your
loved ones on the other side.  Choose one-time
verification message from beyond or sign up for our
regular monthly two-way email exchange.  Click
here for more information. ."



                      - D. M.

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I scored schizotypal moderate and everything else low.  Does that mean I'm well
adjusted or that the questions are stupid?

BrP - who generally responds to "normal" people with thinly diguised amusement






> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > One of them tests:
> >
> > http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
> They say, Schizoid: High
>
> :-(
>
> Otoh, Schizotypal: Moderate.
>
> Well, my answers could be slightly schizoid, for when I had said yes or
> no to a question already, then, later on, having almost the same
> question, formulated differently, I thought, "It was not exactly like
> that, let me give the opposite answer here."
>
> And these questions, "Have you ever...?" -- Well, 30 years ago I might
> have been accused as arrogant. What should I answer if that hasn't
> happened during the last 30 years? Those asking, "Have you sometimes..."
> were even worse. How often is "sometimes"?
>
> Huh. I like Narcissistic: Moderate :) But to get into a better mood I'll
> perhaps go on with the recommended Million Dollar test.
>
> Kristin

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> "The server is getting slammed by so many people taking the Dante Inferno
> Test. To prevent the server from crashing, we've taken the test down
> temporarily. Please excuse this inconvenience."
>
> Which level of hell is that?

LOL.

I, too, got only the table. And even that it is lost by now after my some
"clickings for info". I could save the contents of the table as plain text,
though.

Kristin

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At 05:13 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>Anne Toal wrote:
>
> > We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
> > soon.
>
>What are we going to do with normal people?
>
>Kristin

Well I think Bonnie, Natalie and I will take a good hard look at them,
assess their lives, compare out finding to our own lives and decide whether
or not they're better off than we are and if it's worth it to us to do
something about it.

Karen will tell them how great Austin is because it's not normal.

Steph and Rashmi will say, "who cares".

Tushar will string together some words I cannot follow but that pretty much
result in a snarky response.

Alec will tell them to fuck off.

Bethany will say she thinks there are normal people living in the condos
she's looking at and possibly in her church.

Rita will say she talked about being normal in her classroom and her kids
really got it.

Adam will tell them he likes normal even if it means no eclectic tastes in
music.

Neal Traven will miss the whole conversation because it's under the "Out
Break of Survivor" subject line.

Doris will say she's normal.

Betty will test their normalcy on the scrabble board by using dirty words.

Kristin, you'll wonder if there are normal people in you homeland.

Did I miss anyone?

lisa

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sandra wrote:

> I shocked myself when I decided to mark that I believe in God.

I'm even more confused. There wasn't such a question for me. Is that site so
sensitive it chooses different tests for different people? (What a schizotypal
question on my part, deciding after how "schizotypal" was explained in the
glossary of the site!)

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> But what a goofy site that is.  How did you know to keep scrolling down,
> down, down on that first page until you found something that said
> "calcuate results"?  Results of what, I don't know.  But I hit it and
> got the above results.

lol. Loading the questions took some time, however, not very much. When I
first had scrolled down, then soon after that the questions were there (or,
still, maybe, I clicked on sth as well?). But after my answering the
questions and clicking on "calculate results" I didn't get any levels of
hell, only the table.

> Because of your virtue and beliefs, you
> have escaped |eternal punishment.

Easy! Just do not answer the questions and you're there! I wonder what if
there were a question whether I answered all questions and if I'd have said
"no". What level would I have been worth then? Or you? :-)

Kristin

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 05:13 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
> >Anne Toal wrote:
> >
> > > We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
> > > soon.
> >
> >What are we going to do with normal people?
> >
> >Kristin


>
> Did I miss anyone?
>
> lisa

What would Br Pail, Bonnie, Clyde, Terry, and I do?
clo

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I was condemned to the City of Dis to hang with the Heretics -no surprise
> there.

HIYA Rashmi, me too.

Ann

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > At 05:13 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
> > >Anne Toal wrote:
> > >
> > > > We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here real
> > > > soon.
> > >
> > >What are we going to do with normal people?
> > >
> > >Kristin
>
> >
> > Did I miss anyone?
> >
> > lisa
>
> What would Br Pail, Bonnie, Clyde, Terry, and I do?
> clo
Br Pail?
I should have signed it,
mop!

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >
> > Did I miss anyone?
> >
> > lisa
>
> What would Br Pail, Bonnie, Clyde, Terry, and I do?

I like that, "Br Pail."  ha ha ha ha

I'd laugh at their names and make fun of their favorite things.

Ann

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ROFL Lisa!

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 05:13 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
> >Anne Toal wrote:
> >
> > > We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around
> here real
> > > soon.
> >
> >What are we going to do with normal people?
> >
> >Kristin
>
> Well I think Bonnie, Natalie and I will take a good hard look at them,
>
> assess their lives, compare out finding to our own lives and decide
> whether
> or not they're better off than we are and if it's worth it to us to do
>
> something about it.
> [...]

> Did I miss anyone?

And then, do you hope, they'll become fit for words-l? :)

Kristin

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At 10:50 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, Jim Bradley wrote:
>I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
>end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>
>I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
>
>Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>
>/Jim


Congratulations!

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> At 10:50 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, Jim Bradley wrote:
> >I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
> >end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
> >
> >I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
> >
> >Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
> >
> >/Jim
>
> Congratulations!

Yes, what a big day for you!


Sandra

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> >And then, do you hope, they'll become fit for words-l? :)
>
> No, but if we could get some normals in here, they would become our bridge
> to the rest of the world. We'd get credibility. Nobody's going to build a
> monument to a bunch of freaks and disaffected navel-gazers. But
> all we need
> is one person who could tell our story to the rest of the world. Tushar is
> ironically the closest thing we have to an official list
> mouthpiece, and he
> can tell a story as well as anyone, but he is not upbeat and energetic
> enough to sell the idea to the Chamber of Commerce guys.
>
> I learned this lesson many years ago. You can have a group of people as
> crazy and self-centered as a crate full of one-eyed myopic road
> lizards, but
> the rest of the world never has to know as long as you have one normal
> person to represent you to the world. A spokesmodel if you will.
>
> -aht

LOL. I used to do that Chamber of Commerce bullshiz. I abandoned them for
you guys.

Sandra

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Anne Toal wrote:

> >And then, do you hope, they'll become fit for words-l? :)
>
> No, but if we could get some normals in here, they would become our bridge
> to the rest of the world.

Aha. This may be a good thing.

> We'd get credibility.

Hmmmm. I do not know whether to ask if we want it, or perhaps should I doubt it.

> Nobody's going to build a
> monument to a bunch of freaks and disaffected navel-gazers.

Oh yes, this is a good reason to gain credibility.

Kristin

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>And then, do you hope, they'll become fit for words-l? :)

No, but if we could get some normals in here, they would become our bridge
to the rest of the world. We'd get credibility. Nobody's going to build a
monument to a bunch of freaks and disaffected navel-gazers. But all we need
is one person who could tell our story to the rest of the world. Tushar is
ironically the closest thing we have to an official list mouthpiece, and he
can tell a story as well as anyone, but he is not upbeat and energetic
enough to sell the idea to the Chamber of Commerce guys.

I learned this lesson many years ago. You can have a group of people as
crazy and self-centered as a crate full of one-eyed myopic road lizards, but
the rest of the world never has to know as long as you have one normal
person to represent you to the world. A spokesmodel if you will.

-aht

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
> >end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
> >
> >I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
> >
> >Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
> >
> >/Jim
> >
>
> Cool. Enjoy your time and your new freedom.

Yes, do it!

Kristin

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Jim Bradley:
= I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
= end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
=
= I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
=
= Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
=
= /Jim

YaY!!

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> > What would Br Pail, Bonnie, Clyde, Terry, and I do?
> > clo
> Br Pail?
> I should have signed it,
> mop!


It's pronounced "Boo kay"


Hyacinth

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At 11:48 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> > At 05:13 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
> > >Anne Toal wrote:
> > >
> > > > We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around here
> real
> > > > soon.
> > >
> > >What are we going to do with normal people?
> > >
> > >Kristin
>
>
> >
> > Did I miss anyone?
> >
> > lisa
>
>What would Br Pail, Bonnie, Clyde, Terry, and I do?
>clo

Bonnie I covered.. she's w/ Natalie and I.

Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I removed it
'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.

There are a couple of directions Clyde could take. He could respond with a
great story about a hike and/or wonderful dinner, using it as an example of
normalcy to be achieved or disregarded in lieu of.

He could also remain quiet until he saw someone from either side of the
normal fence make a huge generalization. That's when he would swoop in with
a biting remark that ended the conversation. At least as far as he's concerned.

Terry doesn't give a shit about normal. She has a toddler.

You will carefully consider what you know about current members and what
you've learned about the normal member. Your contribution will be a summary
of each side and then a story or two from your own life.

Anyone else?

lisa

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At 06:53 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > At 05:13 PM 5/8/2003 +0300, you wrote:
> > >Anne Toal wrote:
> > >
> > > > We're gonna have to start attracting some normal people around
> > here real
> > > > soon.
> > >
> > >What are we going to do with normal people?
> > >
> > >Kristin
> >
> > Well I think Bonnie, Natalie and I will take a good hard look at them,
> >
> > assess their lives, compare out finding to our own lives and decide
> > whether
> > or not they're better off than we are and if it's worth it to us to do
> >
> > something about it.
> > [...]
>
> > Did I miss anyone?
>
>And then, do you hope, they'll become fit for words-l? :)
>
>Kristin

I'm not assessing them as entrance criteria for words-l. Their membership
is simply fodder for my self evaluation.

As they participate on the list, sharing their normal experiences I'll take
then into consideration as a means of deciding how normal I want to become.

lisa

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At 10:50 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, Jim Bradley wrote:
>I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
>end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>
>I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.

Welcome to the club.  Once I had decided and set things in motion for
retirement, I didn't realize the "grin" until someone else on the 7th floor
said that they were getting goddamned irritated at my silly grin.

cwv

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LOL, Lisa! What about our resident cryptics JMW and Richard?

-rashmi

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>At 10:50 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, Jim Bradley wrote:
>>I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
>>end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>>
>>I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
>
>Welcome to the club.  Once I had decided and set things in motion for
>retirement, I didn't realize the "grin" until someone else on the 7th floor
>said that they were getting goddamned irritated at my silly grin.

I have had many comments like that already.

/Jim

>
>cwv

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At 05:39 PM 5/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>LOL, Lisa! What about our resident cryptics JMW and Richard?
>
>-rashmi

JWM would tell people he didn't give a rats ass whether or not they
considered him normal. He doesn't know them and doesn't care what they say
about him. As long as they don't try to infringe upon his rights or raise
his taxes, they can do whatever they want.

Richard is tough on normal people, he leaves them scratching their heads.
They're lured in by his southern charm and mesmerized by his drawl. He may
be a cynical but it's in such away you're not quite sure your ass is being
handed to you.

lisa

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lisa alfieri:
= At 05:39 PM 5/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
= >LOL, Lisa! What about our resident cryptics JMW and Richard?
= >
= >-rashmi
=
= JWM would tell people he didn't give a rats ass whether or not they
= considered him normal. He doesn't know them and doesn't care what they say
= about him. As long as they don't try to infringe upon his rights or raise
= his taxes, they can do whatever they want.
=

Is that in the don't care bin with Rashmi and me?

You've forgotten Espen.

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=
= You've forgotten Espen.

And Marie!

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At 07:55 PM 5/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri:
>= At 05:39 PM 5/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>= >LOL, Lisa! What about our resident cryptics JMW and Richard?
>= >
>= >-rashmi
>=
>= JWM would tell people he didn't give a rats ass whether or not they
>= considered him normal. He doesn't know them and doesn't care what they say
>= about him. As long as they don't try to infringe upon his rights or raise
>= his taxes, they can do whatever they want.
>=
>
>Is that in the don't care bin with Rashmi and me?

Are you all getting picky now?

And no, it's not quite the same. Say, "I don't care" or "who cares" is a
whole lot different than what typically comes from JMW.

>You've forgotten Espen.

Espen thinks it's all Greek to him.

lisa

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 12:49:00 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Richard is tough on normal people, he leaves them scratching their heads.
> They're lured in by his southern charm and mesmerized by his drawl.

I didn't realize that Chicagoans drawled.

Karen

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 11:46:47 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I removed it
> 'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.

He doesn't agree blindly.

Karen

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At 07:57 PM 5/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>=
>= You've forgotten Espen.
>
>And Marie!

Marie thinks normal is upstate New York. For better or worse, after living
in "The City" for so long, there's no other way to describe her current
place or residence.

Here's some more..

Tony Harmic.. US normal is not the same as Canadian normal and he would
greatly appreciate it if the USA would please stop trying to Americanize
Canada.

MEM - who needs normal when you have Hawaiin, sun, surf and fun.

Dan Lester - He drank himself into normalcy, it didn't work, he's enjoying
life outside it.

Sandra - Her parents were normal.

Steve Karlson - Normal is a roller coaster.

lisa

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At 01:13 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 11:46:47 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I removed it
> > 'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.
>
>He doesn't agree blindly.
>
>Karen

Shut up.. this is my list... you make your own.

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 12:49:00 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Richard is tough on normal people, he leaves them scratching their heads.
> > They're lured in by his southern charm and mesmerized by his drawl.
>
> I didn't realize that Chicagoans drawled.
>
> Karen

Drawled, drawed, or drooled?
clo

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> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 11:46:47 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I removed it
> > 'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.
>
> He doesn't agree blindly.
>
> Karen

to anything

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 11:46:47 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I removed it
> > 'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.
>
> He doesn't agree blindly.
>
> Karen

Br Paul definitely giggles, but the it's usually a joke that
emanates from deep inside.
clo

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 1:19:13 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 12:49:00 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > Richard is tough on normal people, he leaves them scratching their heads.
>> > They're lured in by his southern charm and mesmerized by his drawl.
>>
>> I didn't realize that Chicagoans drawled.
>>
>> Karen

> Drawled, drawed, or drooled?

As Tushar has noted in the past, Chicagoans definitely drool.

Karen

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 1:19:39 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 11:46:47 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I removed it
>> > 'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.
>>
>> He doesn't agree blindly.
>>
>> Karen

> to anything

It's part of what makes us ET's.:)

Karen

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At 01:33 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 1:19:39 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> >> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 11:46:47 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> >> > Br. Pail ;-) I had said would giggle and agree with Karen but I
> removed it
> >> > 'cause I don't know how he feels about Austin.
> >>
> >> He doesn't agree blindly.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > to anything
>
>It's part of what makes us ET's.:)
>
>Karen

I dare you to disagree with her Br. Paul.

lisa

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Jim Bradley wrote:

>  I didn't realize the "grin" until someone else on the 7th floor
> >said that they were getting goddamned irritated at my silly grin.
>
> I have had many comments like that already.

lol. And they keep saying only pregnant women have permanent mysterious grin. I
can imagine your both's better

Kristin

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 1:33:59 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I dare you to disagree with her Br. Paul.

He disagrees with me all the time. For one thing, I would *love* to be
normal, and he revels in not being so.

Karen

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 10:13:53 AM, Jim Bradley wrote:

>>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 9:50:19 AM, Jim Bradley wrote:
>>> Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>>
>>YaY! Just in time for sailing season...

> Exactly! The melonseed went in last weekend, the catboat
> in another few weeks.

You really do have nice boats. I occasionally go to the URL for the
melonseed just because it's so pleasing to look at.

Karen

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> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 1:33:59 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > I dare you to disagree with her Br. Paul.
>
> He disagrees with me all the time.

> Karen

I do not. I would never disagree with you.


;-)


BrP

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 2:10:47 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 1:33:59 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > I dare you to disagree with her Br. Paul.
>>
>> He disagrees with me all the time.

>> Karen

> I do not. I would never disagree with you.


> ;-)

Uh-huh.

Everyone knows you're the nicer twin...

Karen

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I'm tempted to pose an econometrics question with that line.

> Steve Karlson - Normal is a roller coaster.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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Karen:
> I didn't realize that Chicagoans drawled.

Oh, she's right, I definitely talk funny.

--
Richard             have a coke

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 2:23:57 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> I didn't realize that Chicagoans drawled.

> Oh, she's right, I definitely talk funny.

Can you pass for native New Orleanian?

Karen

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People Magazine has once again announced its
choices for the 50 Most Beautiful People.  Among
pages of George Clooney, Ben Affleck, Leonardo
DiCaprio, etc. etc. . . .here suddenly is Steve Martin.

Martin writes about this:

"It's very hard being one of the most beautiful people.
Having this kind of beauty is actually a burden.
Sometimes I go to a party and not one of the other 49
most beautiful people is there.  That makes me feel very
solitary and alone, because it means I am the most
beautiful person in the room.

If I'm going to a party where I know there will be less
beautiful people, I try to "dress down" in order to hide
my beauty.  But this seems to have a counter-effect of
actually making me more beautiful  I guess me and
dungarees are a pretty potent combination.

I try not to lord my beauty over others.  this is very
hard.  I try not to mention that I am one of the most
beautiful people, but somehow it always comes out. 
I will usually only bring it up when I am asked to do a
task, like open a garage door.  People seem to enjoy
my beauty and are genuinely happy for me because
after I mention it they always say "How nice for you."

                    - D. M.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> JWM would tell people he didn't give a rats ass whether or not they
> considered him normal. He doesn't know them and doesn't care what they say
> about him. As long as they don't try to infringe upon his rights or raise
> his taxes, they can do whatever they want.

    Now that's just plain spooky.  8-)

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You really do have nice boats. I occasionally go to the URL for the
> melonseed just because it's so pleasing to look at.

    What happened to yours?

JMW

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 2:36:47 PM, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> You really do have nice boats. I occasionally go to the URL for the
>> melonseed just because it's so pleasing to look at.

>     What happened to yours?

It's still in the driveway.

Karen

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> Can you pass for native New Orleanian?

I can correctly pronounce "New Orleans"
at least four distinct ways.

--
Richard             have a coke

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 2:38:50 PM, again, all around wrote:
>> Can you pass for native New Orleanian?

> I can correctly pronounce "New Orleans"
> at least four distinct ways.

I think you're a drooler, not a drawler...

Karen

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Karen:
> I think you're a drooler, not a drawler...

You got that right, now that I'm
back on the sauce...

--
Richard             have a coke

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lisa alfieri:
= At 07:55 PM 5/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
= >lisa alfieri:
= >= At 05:39 PM 5/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
= >= >LOL, Lisa! What about our resident cryptics JMW and Richard?
= >= >
= >= >-rashmi
= >=
= >= JWM would tell people he didn't give a rats ass whether or not they
= >= considered him normal. He doesn't know them and doesn't care what they
= >say
= >= about him. As long as they don't try to infringe upon his rights or raise
= >= his taxes, they can do whatever they want.
= >=
= >
= >Is that in the don't care bin with Rashmi and me?
=
= Are you all getting picky now?
=

No, I don't care.

= And no, it's not quite the same. Say, "I don't care" or "who cares" is a
= whole lot different than what typically comes from JMW.
=
= >You've forgotten Espen.
=
= Espen thinks it's all Greek to him.
=
= lisa

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> People Magazine has once again announced its
> choices for the 50 Most Beautiful People.  Among
> pages of George Clooney, Ben Affleck, Leonardo
> DiCaprio, etc. etc. . . .here suddenly is Steve Martin.
>
> Martin writes about this:
>
> "It's very hard being one of the most beautiful people.
> Having this kind of beauty is actually a burden.
> Sometimes I go to a party and not one of the other 49
> most beautiful people is there.  That makes me feel very
> solitary and alone, because it means I am the most
> beautiful person in the room.

...

They got it all wrong. He's one in a billion. A class act all 'round.

Sandra

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Amethyst is indeed correct.  She has about a dozen amethyst
rings....at least more than she has fingers.

I'm hanging in there, still recovering from some damn pneumonia, and
well recovered from my lap-band surgery.

dan

5/8/2003, 6:05 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

PRB> I thought it was Amethyst.  Am I misremembering or are you?

PRB> BrP



>> How's the Emerald Queen?
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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5/8/2003, 8:30 AM, Elaine M. Brennan wrote:

>>Sigh, just when I have decided to return, the qualifications change :-(
>>
>>Rita L.

EMB> it's okay -- you're grandfathered in, with the rest of us old farts.  ;->.

EMB> --Elaine

    Boy, that's me.  The old fart.  Feeling VERY old today, but still
    moving, if not kicking.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:32 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Daughters of Elysium
>
>
>Amethyst is indeed correct.  She has about a dozen amethyst
>rings....at least more than she has fingers.
>
>I'm hanging in there, still recovering from some damn pneumonia, and
>well recovered from my lap-band surgery.
>
>dan
>
Have you lost any weight? Is it reversible, unlike other gastric bypass
surgeries.


alec

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> I thought it was Amethyst.  Am I misremembering or are you?
>
> BrP
>
> > How's the Emerald Queen?

It is.  That was a braino.

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--On Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:15 PM -0400 lisa alfieri <alfieri@attbi.com>
wrote:

> Shut up.. this is my list... you make your own.
>
> lisa

And you're doing a fine job, I'm getting a bellyache! :-)

Terry

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PS: I could've sworn Dan Lester was leaving the MSU cafeteria as I was
entering it today.  I started to hug him, but he looked at me blankly.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I think I want "Gone nomail" on my gravestone when I die.

But I want e-mail in heaven.

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On Thursday, May 08, 2003, Terry Wild wrote:
> --On Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:15 PM -0400 lisa alfieri <alfieri@attbi.com>
> wrote:

>> Shut up.. this is my list... you make your own.
>>
>> lisa

> And you're doing a fine job, I'm getting a bellyache! :-)

Except for grossly misreading Paul, IMHO, she's done a good job.

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I used Netscape and it was fine. Maybe Natalie hit the server at a bad time.

I tried it several times.  Sometimes I got the "server too busy" screen,
but other times I didn't.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> What are we going to do with normal people?

Good question.  And welcome to NATO, Kristin.

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Rita Leonard wrote:

> Sigh, just when I have decided to return, the qualifications change :-(

Are you coming to AcadiaFest, Rita?  It's not that far from Boston to
BH.

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5/8/2003, 2:35 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> Have you lost any weight? Is it reversible, unlike other gastric bypass
ADP> surgeries.

Not a bypass, just a silicone band, adjustable, around your stomach.
Yes, it can be removed, but has almost never been removed from the
over 100K people who have them.

Weight, yes.  Still on liquid diet, and the damn pneumonia has made me
lose more.  About two pounds a day for last ten days.  That's too
fast, but is what it is due to the liq diet and pneumonia.

Should lose 1-2 lbs a week over the long haul.

dan

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> >   Since I can't teach summer school because of
> > retirement rules,
>
> Will it be possible in summers coming?

Almost certainly.  The rule is that you can't work more than half time
or make more than half pay during a fiscal year.  This means, of course,
that I could in fact teach second-term summer school this year since
that's in a new fiscal year.  But that would screw up AcadiaFest.

> Teaching summer schools seems to fit so
> well for retired teachers with much experience who are free as birds during the
> rest of the year.

But summer school is such a pain.  I guess it might not seem so bad if
you had been off for a whole semester or longer.

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We did give it a bit of thought but Ray can't get any time off except
for the holiday itself.  Not only would it be a tough commute for a one
day visit but I have the sense that we would have to park somewhere in
another state at that point.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>
>Are you coming to AcadiaFest, Rita?  It's not that far from Boston to
>BH.
>
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Jim Bradley wrote:

> Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.

Welcome to the world of retirement!  I don't fully feel it yet, but I've
been working toward feeling it.  Since retirement I've taught exactly
the same courses I would have taught if not retired and have done
certain service work that I felt obligated to do since there wasn't
anybody else around to do it.  But I've done zero research and have not
done things like go to faculty meetings or serve on committees other
than oral exam committees for MA students in foreign languages who are
minoring in TESOL.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to

I often cheat -- clicking on it from both home and office, thus counting
as two people.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  What should I answer if that hasn't
> happened during the last 30 years? Those asking, "Have you sometimes..."
> were even worse. How often is "sometimes"?

I had the same kinds of thoughts!  That was the only test I found on the
page (a link to it, that is), not the test other people were talking
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Well done, Lisa!

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> sandra wrote:
>
> > I shocked myself when I decided to mark that I believe in God.
>
> I'm even more confused. There wasn't such a question for me. Is that site so
> sensitive it chooses different tests for different people? (What a schizotypal

You and I got the mental disorder test.  Everybody else apparently got a
test about God and stuff.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Br Pail?
> I should have signed it,
> mop!

No, that's backwards.  He's the mop and you're the pail.

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>Not only would it be a tough commute for a one
>day visit but I have the sense that we would have to park somewhere in
>another state at that point.       --Rita L.

It would indeed be a tough day one day commute.  But you'd hardly have to
park in another state.  Maine is a huge state and neither our traffic nor
our parking problems can hold a candle to Boston.  Not that it's a contest.


    --bonniev

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> They're lured in by his southern charm and mesmerized by his drawl. He may

But Richard is a Yankee.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Br Pail?
> > I should have signed it,
> > mop!
>
> No, that's backwards.  He's the mop and you're the pail.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

You obviously haven't seen my summer hairdo.
clo

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Any place in Maine wins any contest when put up against Boston IMHO.  I
live 30 miles outside the city and only visit when forced :-)  Even here
at BC, only four or five miles out, I can pretend that Boston doesn't
exist.   I am just not a city kind of person.

Rita L.

bonniev wrote:

>
> It would indeed be a tough day one day commute.  But you'd hardly have to
> park in another state.  Maine is a huge state and neither our traffic nor
> our parking problems can hold a candle to Boston.  Not that it's a
> contest.
>
>
>    --bonniev


--

Rita Leonard
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Are you getting smoked out down there?

Karen

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> Any place in Maine wins any contest when put up against Boston IMHO.  I
> live 30 miles outside the city and only visit when forced :-)  Even here
> at BC, only four or five miles out, I can pretend that Boston doesn't
> exist.   I am just not a city kind of person.
>
> Rita L.

Moving back to SF after three months in Oakland has been a tough adjustment.
Toughest thusfar: receiving 2 parking tickets in as many days. One in the
Haight when we were *five* minutes past the meter...and a second at 7:15am
(who'd even think about getting a ticket at that hour) the following morning
when I was at a cafe (turns out street cleaning is at an early hour in that
neighborhood).

I give myself two years here....at the outside. Then, I'm off to elsewhere.
Don't know where yet.

Sandra

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I'm trying to figure out how a Japanese duck would say AFLAC.  Certainly
not quite like an anglo duck.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/08/entertainment/main552921.shtml

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 07:29 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> One of them tests:
>>
>> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>>
>> (I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
> Here's where I landed... I think it was the gay thing..


        No, I don't think so.  I answered all those in the positive.



> The wretched King Minos has decided your fate. His tale wraps around his
> body 2 times.
>
> The sweet light no longer strikes against your eyes. Your shade has been
> banished to... the Second Level of Hell!
>
>
> Second Level of Hell
>
>
> ----------
> You have come to a place mute of all light, where the wind bellows as the
> sea does in a tempest. This is the realm where the lustful spend eternity.
> Here, sinners are blown around endlessly by the unforgiving winds of
> unquenchable desire as punishment for their transgressions. The infernal
> hurricane that never rests hurtles the spirits onward in its rapine,
> whirling them round, and smiting, it molests them. You have betrayed reason
> at the behest of your appetite for pleasure, and so here you are doomed to
> remain. Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are two that share in your fate.
>
> lisa
>


--
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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> We did give it a bit of thought but Ray can't get any time off except
> for the holiday itself.  Not only would it be a tough commute for a one
> day visit but I have the sense that we would have to park somewhere in
> another state at that point.

You could park in Winter Habor and take the ferry with me.  But I do
think Boston-BH-Boston in one day might not leave much time for festing.

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At 02:15 PM 5/8/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>Moving back to SF after three months in Oakland has been a tough adjustment.
>Toughest thusfar: receiving 2 parking tickets in as many days. One in the
>Haight when we were *five* minutes past the meter...and a second at 7:15am
>(who'd even think about getting a ticket at that hour) the following morning
>when I was at a cafe (turns out street cleaning is at an early hour in that
>neighborhood).
>
>I give myself two years here....at the outside. Then, I'm off to elsewhere.
>Don't know where yet.


I  hear Austin is nice.

Betty


>Sandra

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Or does he just sound like one?

Karen

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> I  hear Austin is nice.

It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.

Karen

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:35:58 -0700
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Good god. I'm frustrated by two things I'm trying to do on my computer
(PC/Dell).

#1. This should be simple but I'm not finding the right files on my old
computer. I have Outlook (not Express) installed on my old and new computer.
I want to bring in my old email/addressbook/calendar from my old to my new.
I found the addressbook and calendar files but the .mbx files elude. What am
I doing wrong?

#2. I have Norton AntiVirus on my new computer...and lucky me! I have a
trojan horse virus (click me first.exe) that Norton cannot seem to
quarantine or delete. How can I get rid of it?

Thanks for ANY insight...

Sandra

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> I'm trying to figure out how a Japanese duck would say AFLAC.
Certainly
> not quite like an anglo duck.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm not going to bite.  I got into big trouble once
by answering when someone asked what's the
Japanese word for stagehand.  Remember?
A one word answer led to tyrades about PC-ness
and sensitivity.  No.  I'll pass.

                - D. M.

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:35:58 PM, S Hess wrote:
> #1. This should be simple but I'm not finding the right files on my old
> computer. I have Outlook (not Express) installed on my old and new computer.
> I want to bring in my old email/addressbook/calendar from my old to my new.
> I found the addressbook and calendar files but the .mbx files elude. What am
> I doing wrong?

I don't know, but I've never succeeded in doing this; I've always had
to start over, which is very annoying.

> #2. I have Norton AntiVirus on my new computer...and lucky me! I have a
> trojan horse virus (click me first.exe) that Norton cannot seem to
> quarantine or delete. How can I get rid of it?

How do you know you have it?

I ended up installing another operating system on a different disk.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > I  hear Austin is nice.
>
> It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
>
> Karen

lol!
clo

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>You could park in Winter Habor and take the ferry with me.  But I do
>think Boston-BH-Boston in one day might not leave much time for festing.
>  -- Natalie

It could of course be done.  If one left Boston at 5 a.m., one would be
pulling into Bar Harbor just in time for the 10 a.m. parade.   You could
park in our driveway. Then one would have eight hours to party and leave
Bar Harbor at 8 p.m., an hour before the fireworks, to get home to Boston
at 1 a.m.


    --bonniev

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At 04:34 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Or does he just sound like one?

Neither.  He is a pretty good cook who also is an entertainer.  The first
few times I watched him, I thought he was a complete sham---and I'm still
not convinced that the addition of live music does anything for the quality
of the cuisine.  However, if one can filter out the more egregious
showmanship, he really does have a fairly common-sense approach to cooking.

The continuing criticism I would have of his, and other cooking shows, is
that the dishes produced are not quite as easy/effortless as they make it
look---unless, of course, one has a fully-equipped Viking kitchen (4-6
burners, grill, fryer, two [probably] convection ovens) and a 3-4 person
staff to do most of the prep. work.

cwv

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>>I give myself two years here....at the outside. Then, I'm off to elsewhere.
>>Don't know where yet.
>
>I  hear Austin is nice.
>Betty

All of Maine, outside Portland, is designated "rural" for a certain federal
government granting agency.


    --bonniev

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>Or does he just sound like one?
>Karen

Why would you say such a hideous thing?  I give you a bam, bam, bam and
kick you up a notch!


    --bonniev

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At 04:35 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > I  hear Austin is nice.
>
>It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.

You'll absolutely love the winters.  I'm told that everyone does.

cwv

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to figure out how a Japanese duck would say AFLAC.
> Certainly
> > not quite like an anglo duck.
> I'm not going to bite.  I got into big trouble once
> by answering when someone asked what's the
> Japanese word for stagehand.  Remember?
> A one word answer led to tyrades about PC-ness
> and sensitivity.  No.  I'll pass.

I don't remember what you said about Japanese for stagehand.  But I
really am trying to figure out whether the AFLAC duck is going to say
"AFLAC" on Japanese tv.  It doesn't fit Japanese phonology very well.

Karen -- are you reading this?  How do you think he might say it?  Or
when the news story said that the duck will say "AFLAC," was that
perhaps not meant literally?  Maybe AFLAC in Japan has a totally
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >You could park in Winter Habor and take the ferry with me.  But I do
> >think Boston-BH-Boston in one day might not leave much time for festing.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> It could of course be done.  If one left Boston at 5 a.m., one would be
> pulling into Bar Harbor just in time for the 10 a.m. parade.   You could
> park in our driveway. Then one would have eight hours to party and leave
> Bar Harbor at 8 p.m., an hour before the fireworks, to get home to Boston
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Do it, Rita!  The long drive is a small price to pay for the opportunity
to party with Wordslers!

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:48:00 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 04:34 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Or does he just sound like one?

> Neither.  He is a pretty good cook who also is an entertainer.  The first
> few times I watched him, I thought he was a complete sham---and I'm still
> not convinced that the addition of live music does anything for the quality
> of the cuisine.  However, if one can filter out the more egregious
> showmanship, he really does have a fairly common-sense approach to cooking.

Okay. I just caught part of his spiel on Oprah. One of the reasons I
have a lot of trouble with him is his accent--it really grates.

Karen

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:50:14 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 04:35 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > I  hear Austin is nice.
>>
>>It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.

> You'll absolutely love the winters.  I'm told that everyone does.

And they never get tired of it! Yes, I hear the same thing.

Karen

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There are migration utilities you could use:

http://www.alohabob.com/PCRelocator.asp
http://www.technopundits.com/stepup.htm
http://www.spearit.com/products.html

They're meant to move your whole environment from an old computer to a new
computer; I don't know if you can move just one thing.

>#2. I have Norton AntiVirus on my new computer...and lucky me! I have a
>trojan horse virus (click me first.exe) that Norton cannot seem to
>quarantine or delete. How can I get rid of it?

A somewhat extreme suggestion: combining the two problems and fixes, you
could reinstall the OS fresh on your new computer, then migrate your
environment with one of the above utilities.

Pete

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Expedia just sent me email saying American Airlines
cancelled my flights.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 05/08/2003 5:23:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
Expedia just sent me email saying American Airlines
cancelled my flights.

>>

Well, shoot!  Are they going to reschedule the flights or
refund your money?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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If I can get a Circuit City credit card, I'm going to buy a new
computer there.  Even a E-Machine would run better than
this one does now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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Go www.hotwire.com and make new reservations immediately.

At 05:23 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Expedia just sent me email saying American Airlines
>cancelled my flights.
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>I think I want "Gone nomail" on my gravestone when I die.
>
>BrP

I like that!

Bethany

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>When I was a kid I hated birthdays and Christmas, because I always
>wanted specific things, and didn't get them; and I knew I should
>be gracious and thankful but had a tough time achieving it.
>
>My idea about birthdays changed when I realized that, if I wanted
>to celebrate myself, I could. My idea of a present to myself is a

Yes! I started giving myself a nice present every year many years ago.

If I entertain, I give all guests a present. I tell them it is a family
tradition. They love it.

Bethany

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My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
what I will endure for wordslers??).

He's also out buying me a new car right now.

Betty Clark wrote:

> Go www.hotwire.com and make new reservations immediately.
>
> At 05:23 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Expedia just sent me email saying American Airlines
>> cancelled my flights.
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Congratulations, Jim! Tell us how it goes, please.

Bethany (planning)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
> long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
> cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
> what I will endure for wordslers??).
>
> He's also out buying me a new car right now.

You have trained him well, Czarina!  What kind of car?  Did you tell him
what kind, or are you trusting his judgment on it?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I heard at lunch yesterday that tonight is the next-to-last night and
that the two-hour finale is Sunday night.  Is that true?
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02003-05-08 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > This is pretty close to where I work:
> >
> > <http://home.xnet.com/~drench/fearless_leader.jpg>
> >
> > I think it would be great to go around pasting this
> > on all sorts of places. Who's going to stop you?
>
> I'm surprised it's not on newly minted money.

It doesn't have to be a president.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
>>long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
>>cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
>>what I will endure for wordslers??).
>>
>>He's also out buying me a new car right now.
>>
>
> You have trained him well, Czarina!  What kind of car?  Did you tell him
> what kind, or are you trusting his judgment on it?


        He brought it home for me to look at the other night.  It's a
dark reddish Mazda B3000 pick-up.  It meets all my criteria:
  5-speed, manual windows, CD player, extended cab.

        It is replacing his van, which is on very edge of death, but
I'm getting it because it gets far better mileage than my
Benz (and doesn't require premium gas), and my commute is
way longer than his.  I think he's not too unhappy about
getting the Benz, though, which is a much more comfortable
car to drive.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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----- Original Message -----
From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>

> I dare you to disagree with her Br. Paul.


Hey Lisa, what about me?

-a

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BrP:  Do you know what the Russian word for "horny" is -- as in its
sexual meaning, not as in a horny toad?  That subject came up at lunch
today.  We were in fact talking about toadfrogs before that.

And that raises a question we were talking about today.  Supposedly
licking the rear end of a certain type of frog is poisonous or in
another case is an aphrodisiac.  How was this discovered?  Like who was
first licking frog rears?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         He brought it home for me to look at the other night.  It's a
> dark reddish Mazda B3000 pick-up.  It meets all my criteria:
>   5-speed, manual windows, CD player, extended cab.
>
>         It is replacing his van, which is on very edge of death, but
> I'm getting it because it gets far better mileage than my
> Benz (and doesn't require premium gas), and my commute is
> way longer than his.  I think he's not too unhappy about
> getting the Benz, though, which is a much more comfortable
> car to drive.

That all sounds good.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:58 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
>long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
>cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
>what I will endure for wordslers??).
>
>He's also out buying me a new car right now.

Excellent!

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02003-05-08 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 18:04, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > From an office email:
> >
> > > Today we are launching our ******************* service.  "Great
> > > job" to all of those who contributed to the development of the
> > > product, which was practically everyone!
> >
> > Maybe our work sucked, but he didn't have to be so sarcastic.
>
> So how *do* (uh, "do"?) you phrase something like this? It seems
> somewhere on a border - there'd be no problem with:
> A pat on the back to all of those...
> or:
> A great big thank you to all of those...
> but there's something that begins to provoke a misparse with:
> Great job to all of those...
> It calls for some sort of delimiter, or wimpy rephrasing to avoid the
> problem.
>
> "Have a nice day!"
> "Tony H."

Good point, and one that I myself thought of, later. The answer
IMO is not to phrase a sentence in such a way that quotes could
be mistaken for scare quotes. If you know what I mean ... A thank
you is a recognized object, a "great job" (as a term of endorsement)
is not. It is not symbolic enough, it is at most an icon for the
words "great job", and hence it's leading to a bad sentence.

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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HEY NUMB NUTS, WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? I am completely normal. Speak for
your own damn self! All of you are the abnormal deranged weirdos here,
not me!

02003-05-08 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> No, but if we could get some normals in here, they would become our bridge
> to the rest of the world. We'd get credibility. Nobody's going to build a
> monument to a bunch of freaks and disaffected navel-gazers. But all we need
> is one person who could tell our story to the rest of the world. Tushar is
> ironically the closest thing we have to an official list mouthpiece, and he
> can tell a story as well as anyone, but he is not upbeat and energetic
> enough to sell the idea to the Chamber of Commerce guys.
>
> I learned this lesson many years ago. You can have a group of people as
> crazy and self-centered as a crate full of one-eyed myopic road lizards, but
> the rest of the world never has to know as long as you have one normal
> person to represent you to the world. A spokesmodel if you will.

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Emeril is annoying but his recipes are solid. If you can just ignore all his
ego and cult of personality stuff and concentrate on the food and what he's
doing, you can learn. He doesn't fix food that is so weird or alien that
you'd never find yourself preparing it. I've learned some neat things from
him. Most recently: how to make fromage frais. Another thing he taught me
was the so-called holy trinity of green peppers, onions, and celery that can
serve as the basis for a lot of dishes. And he's shown me how to handle
garlic much better than the way I was doing it. I hate the BAM stuff, and I
never buy his seasonings or dressings, but I do respect his skills.

-a

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Anne Toal wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lisa alfieri" <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>
>>I dare you to disagree with her Br. Paul.
>>
>
>
> Hey Lisa, what about me?



        "Normalcy is for Yankees.  In Texas we have other opinions
largely based on what God has decreed:  that cans of beer
are made for stuffing into the cavities of bbq'ed poultry,
that we may kick your ass should you piss us off, and that
grapefruit should be eaten as soon as possible after they
are plucked ripe from the quivering stems of their mother's
sweet comforting embrace.  This is how it should be.  Amen."




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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We are to have our first baby here in the Jackson Ateliers. Mike and Erin
are pregnant - with their first. To celebrate, Mike bought a new car and
new inline skates. He was trying them out in the parking lot when I got
home. The baby will, with luck, arrive Dec. 30 and be a little tax
deduction as well as a bundle of joy.

Reminds me: I used to shoot baskets in the parking lot. I wonder where our
basket is? And our ball?

Did I tell you that my surgery was postponed - new time: 8:45 a.m.
tomorrow.

Bethany

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 05:58 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
> >long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
> >cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
> >what I will endure for wordslers??).
> >
> >He's also out buying me a new car right now.
>
> Excellent!

I meant to ask earlier:  Why did they cancel the tickets?  Are the new
flights also on American?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> Emeril is annoying but his recipes are solid. If you can just ignore all his
> ego and cult of personality stuff and concentrate on the food and what he's

I'd never heard of him but just googled for him.  Why does his accent
grate on you, Karen?  Is it a typical Massachusetts accent, or has he
turned it into something else?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Did I tell you that my surgery was postponed - new time: 8:45 a.m.
> tomorrow.

I can't remember that you told us about its original time.  How did I
miss that?

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>I heard at lunch yesterday that tonight is the next-to-last night and
>that the two-hour finale is Sunday night.  Is that true?
>  -- Natalie

Yes.  We would have told you eventually.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 05/08/2003 6:14:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
It doesn't have to be a president.

>>

But he/she has to be dead.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'd never heard of him but just googled for him.  Why does his accent
> grate on you, Karen?  Is it a typical Massachusetts accent, or has he
> turned it into something else?

"Typical Massachusetts accent" is a bit vague, I realize, or at least
for Boston accents -- as in Click and Clack don't sound a thing like the
Brahmins.  But I'm talking a larger piece of the dialect pie.  I guess I
could slice it more by saying "typical Fall River."

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I'd never heard of him but just googled for him.  Why does his accent
>>grate on you, Karen?  Is it a typical Massachusetts accent, or has he
>>turned it into something else?
>>
>
> "Typical Massachusetts accent" is a bit vague, I realize, or at least
> for Boston accents -- as in Click and Clack don't sound a thing like the
> Brahmins.  But I'm talking a larger piece of the dialect pie.  I guess I
> could slice it more by saying "typical Fall River."


        He doesn't sound at all like that to me.




--
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I heard at lunch yesterday that tonight is the next-to-last night and
> >that the two-hour finale is Sunday night.  Is that true?
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Yes.  We would have told you eventually.

Whew!  It would've been disastrous if I hadn't been told.  I like
knowing early, though, so that I can enjoy a weekend of anticipation.

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> Did I tell you that my surgery was postponed - new time: 8:45 a.m.
> tomorrow.

Good Luck, Bethany.  Are you calm?

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>At 05:58 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
>>>long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
>>>cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
>>>what I will endure for wordslers??).
>>>
>>>He's also out buying me a new car right now.
>>>
>>Excellent!
>>
>
> I meant to ask earlier:  Why did they cancel the tickets?  Are the new
> flights also on American?


        Oh, they're eliminating flights because they're going under.




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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>> It doesn't have to be a president.
>
> But he/she has to be dead.

He/she has to be living in many countries.  Dead people aren't on money
-- only the living <ruler>.

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Won't be able to watch it tonight due to reruns:  Oklahoma's been
hit by tornadoes, and the paths are very similar to those of the
May 3rd, 1999 ones.

Pray for those who have been hit and those who are in the paths.

Evelyn Duncan
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Oh, they're eliminating flights because they're going under.

I know about eliminating flights, but I've never heard of simply being
told that your flight is canceled -- as in that's that.  I thought
normally you were informed that a flight you were scheduled for had been
canceled so you were being changed to another flight.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I can't remember that you told us about its original time.  How did I
>miss that?

Maybe I didn't - it was supposed to be at 2:45 today.

Bethany

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>I'd never heard of him but just googled for him.  Why does his accent
>grate on you, Karen?  Is it a typical Massachusetts accent, or has he
>turned it into something else?

I thought his was a Rho Disland accent. I can't stand his show either.
Never watch it.

-rashmi

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Chapman" <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>

[bunch of crap]

Excuse me, Lisa?

-aht

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> Did I tell you that my surgery was postponed - new time: 8:45 a.m.
>> tomorrow.
>
>Good Luck, Bethany.  Are you calm?

Thanks. Yes, I am calm. I just hate that I will not be able to have
coffee in the morning. Today, since it was scheduled for 2:45, I was able
to have breakfast, so I made a cappuccino - I always make enough espresso
to have an americano after my cap. I will be able to have nothing (not
even water) after midnight tonight.

Bethany

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AnnB:

> > I was condemned to the City of Dis to hang with the Heretics -no
>surprise
> > there.

>HIYA Rashmi, me too.

I like this! We'd do well among the heretics.

-rashmi

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> I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
> end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.

Congratulations, Jim!

--Adam
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At 05:58 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>My husband is good for this sort of thing.  He just had a
>long discussion and got me new non-stop flights.  The
>cancelled ones had 3-hour layovers in Newark (do you see
>what I will endure for wordslers??).
>
>He's also out buying me a new car right now.

What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.

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Evelyn writes,

>Even a E-Machine would run better than this one does now.

Hmm.  We've got 3 eMachines, 1 homebrew PC, and a Fujitsu laptop at
home.  The eMachines are fine. :)

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> And that raises a question we were talking about today.  Supposedly
> licking the rear end of a certain type of frog is poisonous or in
> another case is an aphrodisiac.

    Some sort of Colorado River toad is supposedly hallucinagenic.

> How was this discovered?

    There are some things Man was not meant to know.

> Like who was
> first licking frog rears?

    Like eggs or oysters, some things should not be dwelt upon.

JMW

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In a message dated 05/08/2003 7:31:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<<
Hmm.  We've got 3 eMachines, 1 homebrew PC, and a Fujitsu laptop at
home.  The eMachines are fine. :)

>>

Then the company must have improved them.  Every single one we
sold at Sears came back.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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> Or does he just sound like one?
>
> Karen

I can't stand him, but that doesn't answer your question.

--Adam
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> I found the addressbook and calendar files but the .mbx files
> elude. What am
> I doing wrong?

Not .MBX! You want to find a .PST file.

--Adam
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In a message dated 05/08/2003 6:46:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
He/she has to be living in many countries.  Dead people aren't on money
-- only the living <ruler>.

>>

Oh, I didn't realize that it was for another country.  I was flipping through
the email in case I had to shut the computer down due to the storms
about to come through.  The one up north is the more dangerous of the
two; the one that did so much damage near OKC fizzled out before it
came to Tulsa.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Betty wrote:

> What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.

    Ooogly little suckers, ain't they?

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> He/she has to be living in many countries.  Dead people aren't on money
> -- only the living <ruler>.

    And countless statuary of the "Dear Leader Hailing A Cab" school.

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   Is it a typical Massachusetts accent, or has he
> turned it into something else?

    I asked my bud who's lived in Boston for thirty years or so that very same
question, and he unhesitatingly replied, "Cambridgeport Italian".

JMW

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    There are some glowing words about your corner of the world in the newest
ish of USN&WR.

JMW

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At 05:48 PM 5/8/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.
>
>     Ooogly little suckers, ain't they?

Yes! It had one of those Cutsie Karen type license plates, too.  BabyHummer
or something like that.  I can't remember.

Betty

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At 06:25 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>. Another thing he taught me
>was the so-called holy trinity of green peppers, onions, and celery that can
>serve as the basis for a lot of dishes.

This is the basic soffrito of much Tuscan cooking---you're right, he's one
of the few to feature it.

>  And he's shown me how to handle
>garlic much better than the way I was doing it.

Yes.  Especially his point of not starting out with garlic, but adding it a
bit later or with other ingredients.  My daughter the cook taught me how to
"sweat" garlic, which was a revelation and very close to what he does.

cwv

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At 05:09 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>Okay. I just caught part of his spiel on Oprah.

Well, I suppose one could make the case that anyone who appears on Oprah
has at least a latent gene for idiocy.  As for his accent, although his
restaurant is where?  New Orleans?  his accent seems more Philly-like to me.

cwv

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Betty wrote:

> What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.

What are the Honda hearses?  I'm not up on new cars, I guess.

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John Williams wrote:

> > How was this discovered?
>
>     There are some things Man was not meant to know.

Hmm.  Are you suggesting that it was a woman who first licked a frog's
rear end?

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> I thought his was a Rho Disland accent. I can't stand his show either.
> Never watch it.
>
> -rashmi


Not exactly.  I'd say he has more of an Italian Rho Disland accent.
I'm not sure exactly what a Fall River accent is, but it could be the
Portuguese influence. I've watched him a few times and found the whole
drama slightly amusing.  Interestingly, he seems to have been immune to
being assimilated by the southern drawl.

Terry

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I found Survivor quite interesting tonight in many respects but am being
<polite> and not saying anything specific.  We can leave that until
tomorrow.
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how a Japanese duck would say AFLAC.  Certainly
> not quite like an anglo duck.

    If they don't like Gilbert Gottfreid I understand Kathleen Turner is
available.  8-)
    What gets me is GM using Mr. Loaf's "Paradise (by the dashboard light)"
to promote their overnight test-drive.  Uh, just exactly how the prospective
customers supposed to "try out" the vehicles?

JMW

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At 08:10 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.
>
>What are the Honda hearses?  I'm not up on new cars, I guess.

It's a Honda Element. You can google for a photo if you want.

Betty

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 6:45:04 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> could slice it more by saying "typical Fall River."

>         He doesn't sound at all like that to me.

What does he sound like to you?

Karen

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Betty wrote:


> What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.

Isn't that the Element?

Isn't that what Janet said she bought?

AS

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Betty wrote:

> >What are the Honda hearses?  I'm not up on new cars, I guess.
>
> It's a Honda Element. You can google for a photo if you want.

Oh.  We've talked about them before.  Verdant has one.  They are
apparently <in> around here.  I see them pretty often.  One in
particular I see every day -- or at least every week day.  It's always
parked in Lee Circle, which is where I also park unless I get to campus
later than about 7:15, when those parking places are all used up.
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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 7:55:37 PM, John Williams wrote:
>     There are some glowing words about your corner of the world in the newest
> ish of USN&WR.

Whose?

Karen

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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 8:10:54 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 05:48 PM 5/8/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>>Betty wrote:
>>
>> > What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.
>>
>>     Ooogly little suckers, ain't they?

> Yes! It had one of those Cutsie Karen type license plates, too.  BabyHummer
> or something like that.  I can't remember.

HEY! I'm the one who doesn't name things, remember???? I'm NOT
cutesie.

But I am cute.

As are all my ET's.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 6:45:04 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>could slice it more by saying "typical Fall River."
>>>
>
>>        He doesn't sound at all like that to me.
>>
>
> What does he sound like to you?


        That guy on Crossing Jordan.




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John Williams wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>  Is it a typical Massachusetts accent, or has he
>>turned it into something else?
>>
>
>     I asked my bud who's lived in Boston for thirty years or so that very same
> question, and he unhesitatingly replied, "Cambridgeport Italian".


        Nah.  That's Click and Clack, who sound <right> to me, and he
doesn't sound like them at all.



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Thursday, May 8, 2003, 8:28:08 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 6:45:04 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>>could slice it more by saying "typical Fall River."
>>>>
>>
>>>        He doesn't sound at all like that to me.
>>>
>>
>> What does he sound like to you?


>         That guy on Crossing Jordan.

Ah--very close.

Karen

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At 08:30 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>
> > What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.
>
>Isn't that the Element?
>
>Isn't that what Janet said she bought?

Yes, it is all coming back to me now. Hope she is doing okay.  It is an
ugly thing, isn't it?

Betty

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At 08:28 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 8:10:54 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 05:48 PM 5/8/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> >>Betty wrote:
> >>
> >> > What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.
> >>
> >>     Ooogly little suckers, ain't they?
>
> > Yes! It had one of those Cutsie Karen type license plates, too.  BabyHummer
> > or something like that.  I can't remember.
>
>HEY! I'm the one who doesn't name things, remember???? I'm NOT
>cutesie.
>
>But I am cute.
>
>As are all my ET's.

I rest my case.  Blatant display of cutsie.

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> I did it yesterday--signed the papers. I'm out of here at the
> end of the month. Here being this job, not the list.
>
> I preside over my last ever Union meeting at noon.
>
> Yes, that is a shit-eating grin I'm sporting.
>
> /Jim

Congrats, Party Time!

Terry

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Betty wrote:
>  It is an
> ugly thing, isn't it?

The Honda Element?  Not at all.  I love the way it looks.  I'm not
<advocating> it since I'm against gas-guzzlers.  But I love its looks.

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How can you call a Honda a gas guzzler?

-a


>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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>
>Betty wrote:
> >  It is an
> > ugly thing, isn't it?
>
>The Honda Element?  Not at all.  I love the way it looks.  I'm not
><advocating> it since I'm against gas-guzzlers.  But I love its looks.
>
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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> How can you call a Honda a gas guzzler?

I can call it that based on its gas mileage.  I can't give you the
precise estimated gas mileage of the Element, but I'm pretty sure it's
somewhere in the 20s.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I can call it that based on its gas mileage.  I can't give you the
> precise estimated gas mileage of the Element, but I'm pretty sure it's
> somewhere in the 20s.

Automatic: 21/25
Manual: 21/23
from: http://www.new-cars.com/2003/2003-honda-element.html

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5/8/2003, 4:08 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

PK> There are migration utilities you could use:

PK> http://www.alohabob.com/PCRelocator.asp
PK> http://www.technopundits.com/stepup.htm
PK> http://www.spearit.com/products.html

PK> They're meant to move your whole environment from an old computer to a new
PK> computer; I don't know if you can move just one thing.

And if you're running XP, and maybe even 2K, you can do it all with
utilities in the OS.

dan

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5/8/2003, 4:45 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:


BKD> Yes! I started giving myself a nice present every year many years ago.

BKD> If I entertain, I give all guests a present. I tell them it is a family
BKD> tradition. They love it.

We do that with family bday parties, whether for kids, grandkids, or
adults.  The bday person gets several gifts, of course, but each
family member gets a gift as well.  No one feels left out.  The ones
for the "others" are more than a "party favor" but nothing worth more
than a few bucks, often just fun little things the person would enjoy.

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5/8/2003, 5:41 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> On Thu, 8 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>I can't remember that you told us about its original time.  How did I
>>miss that?

BKD> Maybe I didn't - it was supposed to be at 2:45 today.

You did.  You complained about the NPO orders after early morning.
Natalie just had a senior moment.

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> There are migration utilities you could use:
>
> http://www.alohabob.com/PCRelocator.asp
> http://www.technopundits.com/stepup.htm
> http://www.spearit.com/products.html
>
> They're meant to move your whole environment from an old computer to a new
> computer; I don't know if you can move just one thing.
>
> >#2. I have Norton AntiVirus on my new computer...and lucky me! I have a
> >trojan horse virus (click me first.exe) that Norton cannot seem to
> >quarantine or delete. How can I get rid of it?
>
> A somewhat extreme suggestion: combining the two problems and fixes, you
> could reinstall the OS fresh on your new computer, then migrate your
> environment with one of the above utilities.
>
> Pete

How is "environment" defined here?   I'm starting to get the heebeegeebees.

Sandra

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:
>Another thing he taught me
> was the so-called holy trinity of green peppers, onions, and celery that can
> serve as the basis for a lot of dishes.

Ohmigod, who told <him> the secret of my cooking?
clo

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On Thu, 8 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> We are to have our first baby here in the Jackson Ateliers.

congrats!
clo

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Karen Kay:
= Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= > I  hear Austin is nice.
=
= It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
=

You should!  Then Paul will move for sure to Toronto.  I was
going to say you should skip a step and just move to Toronto, but
that would leave Paul stuck in Syracuse.

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09:41 08.05.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>Thursday, May 8, 2003, 9:32:37 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> Hey.  What do I need to do to get to the eighth level?  I don't want to be lonely on One.
>
>I only answered about 10 of the questions and then pushed the button.

I answered all, so I probably belong in the axis of the almost evil.

Espen

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18:15 08.05.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> One of them tests:
>>
>> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
>They say, Schizoid: High
>
>:-(
>
>Otoh, Schizotypal: Moderate.

I was Moderate on Narcissistic and low on everything else.

Espen

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11:27 08.05.2003 -0400 skrev lisa alfieri:

>Well I think Bonnie, Natalie and I will take a good hard look at them,
>assess their lives, compare out finding to our own lives and decide whether
>or not they're better off than we are and if it's worth it to us to do
>something about it.
>
>Karen will tell them how great Austin is because it's not normal.
>
>Steph and Rashmi will say, "who cares".
>
>Tushar will string together some words I cannot follow but that pretty much
>result in a snarky response.
>
>Alec will tell them to fuck off.
>
>Bethany will say she thinks there are normal people living in the condos
>she's looking at and possibly in her church.
>
>Rita will say she talked about being normal in her classroom and her kids
>really got it.
>
>Adam will tell them he likes normal even if it means no eclectic tastes in
>music.
>
>Neal Traven will miss the whole conversation because it's under the "Out
>Break of Survivor" subject line.
>
>Doris will say she's normal.
>
>Betty will test their normalcy on the scrabble board by using dirty words.
>
>Kristin, you'll wonder if there are normal people in you homeland.
>
>Did I miss anyone?

Chopped liver.

Espen

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I think I said a while back that I didn't understand why some murder
stories were prominent in national news (like the Patterson one of late)
while there were interesting murders occurring all over the place.
Here's one that's an example.  I find this story much more interesting
than a man having an affair and murdering his pregnant wife.

A woman in a small Delta town claims to have hired a school principal to
murder her husband, to be paid after she gets the dead husband's
insurance money.  The principal (it is thought) first hides in the trees
in the victim's yard and shoots him, but the man survives.  Later the
victim is in the hospital in Memphis, related to the shooting wounds,
and the hired murderer, the principal, is caught in the hospital after
he tries to yank the victim's IV out.  The wife admits to having hired
the principal to commit the murder, but the husband, the victim, claims
that his wife is innocent.

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0305/09/m01.html

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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If you've taped it and haven't watched it yet, don't read this.

Did y'all find the group's reaction when they first saw the burned-down
hut rather muted or something?  None of them seemed truly horrified, at
least not at first.

Could you believe Heidi's little speech at Tribal Council about being
the mastermind of the group?  Do you think the voting off of Heidi was a
result of her comments -- as in the men decided at that moment to vote
for her instead of for Jenna?  I was glad to see her go.  Although I've
disliked Rob from the very first night, I'm disliking him less in these
final hours.  He doesn't seem to be making fun of people as much as he
did at first, and at least he's honest about his dishonesty.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > I  hear Austin is nice.
>
> It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
>
> Karen

shhh
don't tell all our secrets

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>Did y'all find the group's reaction when they first saw the burned-down
>hut rather muted or something?  None of them seemed truly horrified, at
>least not at first.

Maybe they didn't televise their initial horror because it consisted of
turning to the cameramen and saying "Did you assholes actually keep a
camera running while all our stuff burned up??!"

>Could you believe Heidi's little speech at Tribal Council about being
>the mastermind of the group?

I wonder why she even said that.  I thought she knew better.  I loved the
guy on the jury who just put his face in his hands and shook his head!

>   Do you think the voting off of Heidi was a
>result of her comments -- as in the men decided at that moment to vote
>for her instead of for Jenna?  -- Natalie

No.  It had to have been planned ahead of time.  The guy with immunity last
night can't think on his feet.  Rob has to tell him way ahead of time what
to do.   I don't understand why they didn't vote off Jenna, her being so
sick.  I guess they figured there was no way she could win immunity and
thus they'd keep her around another day.  Personally, I'm glad to not have
to see Heidi's bony chest anymore.  The woman is deluded.  She thinks she's
slender and sexy.  She looks skeletal.

It could be that Rob will win the whole thing because he'll make this
impassioned speech about how yes, he screwed everybody over, but, hey, he
outplayed and outwitted and deserves to outlast.


    --bonniev

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> = > I  hear Austin is nice.
> =
> = It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
> =
>
> You should!  Then Paul will move for sure to Toronto.  I was
> going to say you should skip a step and just move to Toronto, but
> that would leave Paul stuck in Syracuse.
>

Actually, I was going to offer to move to Austin - that should take care
of the leapfrog requirement.

clo

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At 07:57 PM 5/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>Dallas just scored 83 first half points!

Style points, I presume.

cwv

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Did y'all find the group's reaction when they first saw the burned-down
> >hut rather muted or something?  None of them seemed truly horrified, at
> >least not at first.
>
> Maybe they didn't televise their initial horror because it consisted of
> turning to the cameramen and saying "Did you assholes actually keep a
> camera running while all our stuff burned up??!"

Possibly, though it seemed to be showing them the moment they saw it --
but then film-editing can no doubt create all kinds of seemings.

> I wonder why she even said that.  I thought she knew better.  I loved the
> guy on the jury who just put his face in his hands and shook his head!

Yes.  That was the rocket scientist, wasn't it?  I still like him.

>   Personally, I'm glad to not have
> to see Heidi's bony chest anymore.  The woman is deluded.  She thinks she's
> slender and sexy.  She looks skeletal.

She has always grated on me.  Btw, were Heidi and Jenna sharing a pair
of glasses?  I noticed last night that sometimes Heidi was wearing
glasses and sometimes Jenna but never both at the same time.  They
seemed to be swapping them back and forth between the scenes.

> It could be that Rob will win the whole thing because he'll make this
> impassioned speech about how yes, he screwed everybody over, but, hey, he
> outplayed and outwitted and deserves to outlast.

I think he has a very good chance of winning it all.  I'm glad we don't
have to wait another whole week.  I'm ready for Sunday to get here.
It's going to be very interesting to see who goes next.  Assuming he
doesn't win immunity, I'm thinking that Butch will probably go since the
fact that he seems to have no real enemies (in spite of the firewood
thing) might make him a threat if he made it to the final two.  I'm
guessing that any one of the other three would think about that, with
the possible exception of the somewhat naive Matt.  If Jenna, Rob, and
Matt are the final three, who do you think whichever one of them wins
the final challenge would choose to take into the final two?  I'm
guessing that either Jenna or Rob would probably choose Matt because of
his <unpopularity> with the group.  Then again, some people on the jury
might vote for Matt because he has displayed such impressive physical
survival skills.  I'm not sure who Matt would choose.  And, of course,
Butch might still be in the picture.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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I borrowed this heading from Bethany, because it seems to fit.

Our friend Jim Mattes died at City of Hope last night. It appears I won't
be in CA next week after all. He died of complications from a staph
infection following his bone marrow (pharesis) transplant in April.

Jim was part of a circle of men who became friends in high school - they
shared fathers who were tough on their families, a working class
background, and a love of music. Jim was better known as "Leech", so named
by his Dad, but was a hardworking and generous soul.

Most played guitars, and the favorite venue was any minimal building in
the woods, away from family and work demands. They built a series of
cabins in wooded areas near their homes during high school, and in 1971 0r
2 began travelling to the camp Vance had gotten from his Dad, a former
lumberman's shack in a ghost town in the middle of a 60K state forest in
the mountains of PA. They gathered there every Memorial Day and Labor Day
except 2, from 1972 to today.

Most still live in Syracuse, and most are still single, or single again.
Vance and the two of "da guys" who married my sisters were exceptions; so
too was Jimmy, who hated NY winters and moved to Lake Tahoe,  where he
worked until about 2 years ago as a bartender at Caesar's; but on his
visits home he alwasy found time to get together with da guys, and play
music.

Because most of the guys considered the guitar their primary instrument,
they focused their attention on remembering the chords and fingerings for
songs (mostly bluegrass and 60's rock); often they would start lyrics at
verse 2 or merely repeat the chorus when it came around. This drove me
crazy, since the voice is my instrument, and I often was the only person
who knew the words to non-Beatles tunes; but Jimmy always outdid us all in
remembering songs in their entirety - it was said that Leech had more
songs stored in his (rather prominent) nose than all the other guys in
their entire brains.

Jim was laconic, slow to speak, and not interested all in most of the
topics and issues that occupy other people's conversations; but he had a
ready, warm and rolling laugh that made us all feel that he had a better
grasp on life than we, and that it was a better world than we all feared.

clo

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>Btw, were Heidi and Jenna sharing a pair of glasses?

Could be.  If they wore contacts to the award challenge, then maybe Jenna's
glasses got burned up while Heidi's back pack was spared.

>I'm not sure who Matt would choose.  And, of course,
>Butch might still be in the picture.
>  -- Natalie

The last immunity challenge is usually the
stand-on-a-stump-until-someone-falls-off kind of thing.  Matt would surely
win that.  Matt will take Rob to the final with him.  Then, in a bizarre
twist, the jury will put aside their hatred of Rob and give him the million
dollars.


    --bonniev

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:35 PM
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>
>
>Or does he just sound like one?
>
>Karen
>

Emeril is the MAN. He is a little crazy, but he can cook up a storm.


alec

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Good description, clo.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of clyde w. voigtlander
>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:57 PM
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>At 05:09 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Okay. I just caught part of his spiel on Oprah.
>
>Well, I suppose one could make the case that anyone who
>appears on Oprah
>has at least a latent gene for idiocy.  As for his accent, although his
>restaurant is where?  New Orleans?  his accent seems more
>Philly-like to me.
>
>cwv
>

Nah, His accent is not Philly, I hear every day. Maybe Rashmi or Marie can
comment.


Dad Vail Regatta starts on the river. http://www.dadvail.org/


alec

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bonniev wrote:

> The last immunity challenge is usually the
> stand-on-a-stump-until-someone-falls-off kind of thing.  Matt would surely
> win that.  Matt will take Rob to the final with him.  Then, in a bizarre
> twist, the jury will put aside their hatred of Rob and give him the million
> dollars.

That's quite likely.  I'm not even sure it would be a bizarre twist.  I
never had the feeling that the participants disliked Rob as much as the
audience (or at least I) did.  Remember how quickly Jenna and Heidi
leaped back onto his side after he'd betrayed them?

But let's say Butch happens to win the next-to-last immunity challenge.
They might then vote off Matt since he's so likely to win the final
challenge.  Of Rob, Butch, and Jenna, who would be most likely to win
the stand-on-the-stump thing?  Maybe Jenna's health will have
miraculously returned, and women seem to do well in challenges of that
kind.  Neither Butch nor Rob strikes me as being good at that kind of
thing, but then neither does Jenna with her various maladies.  If Butch
should win, would he rather compete against Rob or Jenna with the jury?
What about if Rob wins?  What about Jenna?  This really is an
interesting Survivor.

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:45:41 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > I  hear Austin is nice.
>>
>> It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
>>
>> Karen

> shhh
> don't tell all our secrets

Oops! Sorry...

Karen

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 2:28:23 AM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= >> I  hear Austin is nice.
> =
> = It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
> =

> You should!  Then Paul will move for sure to Toronto.

I don't think my moving to Syracuse would affect Paul's plans for
moving one way or the other.

> I was going to say you should skip a step and just move to Toronto,
> but that would leave Paul stuck in Syracuse.

Nah.

Karen

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A seal has been living in the river that was very close to my apartment
in Tokyoto -- the river I often walked along the banks of.  People have
named him Tama-chan for the Tama River.  (The -chan is attached to young
children's names -- like -san to adults.)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,952529,00.html

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Big differeneces I see.

Boring because the guy is the victim.
Broing because there is no fetus.
Boring cuz not right before Xmas.

Actually, this IS, IMHO, a more interesting story, but one that will
end up in News of the Weird, rather than the front pages of most
papers.

dan

5/9/2003, 5:12 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I think I said a while back that I didn't understand why some murder
NM> stories were prominent in national news (like the Patterson one of late)
NM> while there were interesting murders occurring all over the place.
NM> Here's one that's an example.  I find this story much more interesting
NM> than a man having an affair and murdering his pregnant wife.

NM> A woman in a small Delta town claims to have hired a school principal to
NM> murder her husband, to be paid after she gets the dead husband's
NM> insurance money.  The principal (it is thought) first hides in the trees
NM> in the victim's yard and shoots him, but the man survives.  Later the
NM> victim is in the hospital in Memphis, related to the shooting wounds,
NM> and the hired murderer, the principal, is caught in the hospital after
NM> he tries to yank the victim's IV out.  The wife admits to having hired
NM> the principal to commit the murder, but the husband, the victim, claims
NM> that his wife is innocent.

NM> http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0305/09/m01.html

NM> --
NM>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
NM>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:45:05 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Actually, I was going to offer to move to Austin - that should take care
> of the leapfrog requirement.

Returnees are always welcome!

Karen

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At 11:12 AM 5/9/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>11:27 08.05.2003 -0400 skrev lisa alfieri:
>
> >Well I think Bonnie, Natalie and I will take a good hard look at them,
> >assess their lives, compare out finding to our own lives and decide whether
> >or not they're better off than we are and if it's worth it to us to do
> >something about it.
> >
> >Karen will tell them how great Austin is because it's not normal.
> >
> >Steph and Rashmi will say, "who cares".
> >
> >Tushar will string together some words I cannot follow but that pretty much
> >result in a snarky response.
> >
> >Alec will tell them to fuck off.
> >
> >Bethany will say she thinks there are normal people living in the condos
> >she's looking at and possibly in her church.
> >
> >Rita will say she talked about being normal in her classroom and her kids
> >really got it.
> >
> >Adam will tell them he likes normal even if it means no eclectic tastes in
> >music.
> >
> >Neal Traven will miss the whole conversation because it's under the "Out
> >Break of Survivor" subject line.
> >
> >Doris will say she's normal.
> >
> >Betty will test their normalcy on the scrabble board by using dirty words.
> >
> >Kristin, you'll wonder if there are normal people in you homeland.
> >
> >Did I miss anyone?
>
>Chopped liver.
>
>Espen

Keep reading.. I did one for you too.

lisa

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I was surprised a couple of weeks ago when my cat went after leftovers
that had garlic--she ate a few hunks of the minced garlic. Last night
she went after some salmon that was very highly flavored with ginger
and soy sauce. This morning, she ate egg white with pepper on it. I
thought cats liked bland food!

I don't know where she learned this habit of eating human leftovers.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, May 8, 2003, 7:55:37 PM, John Williams wrote:
> >     There are some glowing words about your corner of the world in the newest
> > ish of USN&WR.
>
> Whose?

    Oops.  Bonnie and Clyde.

JMW

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My little Molly at quite a lot of heavily garlicked (word?) linguini
with white clam sauce and broccoli last night.  She is also fond of the
spicy chicken sandwich from Wendy's.  She is different from the rest of
my cats.  The others will not eat any human food other than chicken
breast.  Just like people, I think.

Rita L.
P.S.  The first cat who ever owned me was named Burl!  She had a little
gray spot on her chin that looked like a goatee.

Karen Kay wrote:

>I was surprised a couple of weeks ago when my cat went after leftovers
>that had garlic--she ate a few hunks of the minced garlic. Last night
>she went after some salmon that was very highly flavored with ginger
>and soy sauce. This morning, she ate egg white with pepper on it. I
>thought cats liked bland food!
>
>I don't know where she learned this habit of eating human leftovers.
>
>Karen
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
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Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

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 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:11 AM
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>
>
>I borrowed this heading from Bethany, because it seems to fit.
>
>Our friend Jim Mattes died at City of Hope last night. It
>appears I won't be in CA next week after all. He died of complications from
a staph
>infection following his bone marrow (pharesis) transplant in April.
>

Damn, too bad. Staph is a nasty bugger, especially if he was already immune
compromised from cancer.


alec

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At 06:58 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rita Chapman" <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>
>[bunch of crap]
>
>Excuse me, Lisa?
>
>-aht

This thread has been a lot of fun for me. In part because of responses like
this.

Ok.. on to Anne's version of normal.

Anne- Normal? I'm from Texas. I'm not from that hippie freakville, Austin,
either, I'm from Texas with a capital "T". If I want normal, I'll ask for
normal. I don't have to be normal. As a matter of fact I don't even think I
like normal. When I want normal I'll tell someone to do it for me 'cause
I'm from Texas. You get that? Texas with a capital "T".

lisa

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At 11:11 AM 5/9/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>18:15 08.05.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >> One of them tests:
> >>
> >> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
> >
> >They say, Schizoid: High
> >
> >:-(
> >
> >Otoh, Schizotypal: Moderate.
>
>I was Moderate on Narcissistic and low on everything else.

I refuse to take all these stupid tests.

BB

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This is from a friend I just asked about Tama-Chan:

> Haven't seen Tama-chan.  He hasn't been up this far in the river, and
> after somebody tried to catch him, he hasn't been in the Tama river
> at all.    He reappeared in Saitama somewhere.
>
> but he is indeed taking on epic significance.   A whole soap opera
> (see "Tama-cahn, star of river and screen" in yesterday's Yomiuri)
> could be written about him, or a New Testament.   He's everybody's
> favorite hero/victim/innocent.   Since the Pana Wave group got
> interested in rescuing him, their apocalyptic aspsirations (they say
> a tenth planet which has been on a very long orbit is going to come
> crashing back into the solar system in a week and disrupt all the
> gravitational relationships and cause the end of the world) have been
> woven into the legend and he's taken on Christlike status. After a
> fishhook got caught in his eye the symbolism merchants have really
> come out in force.
>
> Look up Pana Wave on your web too.     They are probably harmless
> kooks but they are being demonized and apotheosized just as much,
> only in a different direction.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> I refuse to take all these stupid tests.

Right - I bet you're too busy figuring out your colors.

Ann

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At 06:23 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>HEY NUMB NUTS, WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? I am completely normal. Speak for
>your own damn self! All of you are the abnormal deranged weirdos here,
>not me!

In addition to Paul, I have grossly misrepresented Tushar. This post from
him is proof positive as I didn't have to read it three times in order to
figure out what he was saying. Amazingly enough I got the point, right away.

lisa


>02003-05-08 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > No, but if we could get some normals in here, they would become our bridge
> > to the rest of the world. We'd get credibility. Nobody's going to build a
> > monument to a bunch of freaks and disaffected navel-gazers. But all we need
> > is one person who could tell our story to the rest of the world. Tushar is
> > ironically the closest thing we have to an official list mouthpiece, and he
> > can tell a story as well as anyone, but he is not upbeat and energetic
> > enough to sell the idea to the Chamber of Commerce guys.
> >
> > I learned this lesson many years ago. You can have a group of people as
> > crazy and self-centered as a crate full of one-eyed myopic road
> lizards, but
> > the rest of the world never has to know as long as you have one normal
> > person to represent you to the world. A spokesmodel if you will.

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Karen Kay:
= I was surprised a couple of weeks ago when my cat went after leftovers
= that had garlic--she ate a few hunks of the minced garlic. Last night

Murphy loves chives.  But not garlic greens.

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Karen Kay:
= Friday, May 9, 2003, 2:28:23 AM, steph wrote:
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Thursday, May 8, 2003, 4:25:54 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
= = >> I  hear Austin is nice.
= > =
= > = It totally sucks; I'm thinking of moving to Syracuse.
= > =
=
= > You should!  Then Paul will move for sure to Toronto.
=
= I don't think my moving to Syracuse would affect Paul's plans for
= moving one way or the other.
=

You don't get it.  If you move to Syracuse, then Paul will move
away.  Everything will fall into place.  But you still won't be
near Paul.

= > I was going to say you should skip a step and just move to Toronto,
= > but that would leave Paul stuck in Syracuse.
=
= Nah.

But if you moved to Toronto because Paul was eventually going to
end up there, you would jinx him.

Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
same city unless they're married to each other?

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steph wrote:

> Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
> same city unless they're married to each other?

What about BrPaul and me?
clo

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At 08:25 AM 5/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 9 May 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > I refuse to take all these stupid tests.
>
>Right - I bet you're too busy figuring out your colors.

I did that in 1991.

Betty

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> steph wrote:
>
> > Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
> > same city unless they're married to each other?
>
> What about BrPaul and me?
> clo

Yeah  We not only live in the same city, we work for the same Institution of Higher
Learning [tm]

BrP

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02003-05-09 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 06:23 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >HEY NUMB NUTS, WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? I am completely normal. Speak for
> >your own damn self! All of you are the abnormal deranged weirdos here,
> >not me!
>
> In addition to Paul, I have grossly misrepresented Tushar. This post from
> him is proof positive as I didn't have to read it three times in order to
> figure out what he was saying. Amazingly enough I got the point, right away.

Lisa,

You are not so old that I can't give you a good correctional paddling.

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
= > same city unless they're married to each other?
=
= What about BrPaul and me?
= clo

Well, um, you are, for the moment, an abberation.  Besides,
you're still a newbie.  But you might just be the clo exception.
We'll just have to wait and see.  Actually you might be the tenet
exception, a la Nancy and Doris.  But they didn't live in the
same city.  But maybe the one who lived in the county (Doris?) finally got
annexed, and that's why they both had to leave.

All I have to say is, everyone look out if we get a hot babe
wordsler in Chicago.

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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Surgery went smoothly - took about an hour. I was home within two hours.
I just had a cappuccino - now I'll eat some soup (Kroger's tomato made
with skim milk + grated cheese in it). THEN - naptime. I am pretty sleepy.
And I am very glad surgery is over. I'll finish up the implant process in
January, when I can pay with pre-tax dollars.

Bethany

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> On Thu, 8 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:
> >Another thing he taught me
> > was the so-called holy trinity of green peppers, onions, and
> celery that can
> > serve as the basis for a lot of dishes.
>
> Ohmigod, who told <him> the secret of my cooking?
> clo

He's a fine cook, but I can't stand watching him. He's just too much for me.
A decent guy for sure, but on overload.

Sandra

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> I borrowed this heading from Bethany, because it seems to fit.
>
> Our friend Jim Mattes died at City of Hope last night. It appears I won't
> be in CA next week after all. He died of complications from a staph
> infection following his bone marrow (pharesis) transplant in April.
>
> Jim was part of a circle of men who became friends in high school - they
> shared fathers who were tough on their families, a working class
> background, and a love of music. Jim was better known as "Leech", so named
> by his Dad, but was a hardworking and generous soul.
>
> Most played guitars, and the favorite venue was any minimal building in
> the woods, away from family and work demands. They built a series of
> cabins in wooded areas near their homes during high school, and in 1971 0r
> 2 began travelling to the camp Vance had gotten from his Dad, a former
> lumberman's shack in a ghost town in the middle of a 60K state forest in
> the mountains of PA. They gathered there every Memorial Day and Labor Day
> except 2, from 1972 to today.
>
> Most still live in Syracuse, and most are still single, or single again.
> Vance and the two of "da guys" who married my sisters were exceptions; so
> too was Jimmy, who hated NY winters and moved to Lake Tahoe,  where he
> worked until about 2 years ago as a bartender at Caesar's; but on his
> visits home he alwasy found time to get together with da guys, and play
> music.
>
> Because most of the guys considered the guitar their primary instrument,
> they focused their attention on remembering the chords and fingerings for
> songs (mostly bluegrass and 60's rock); often they would start lyrics at
> verse 2 or merely repeat the chorus when it came around. This drove me
> crazy, since the voice is my instrument, and I often was the only person
> who knew the words to non-Beatles tunes; but Jimmy always outdid us all in
> remembering songs in their entirety - it was said that Leech had more
> songs stored in his (rather prominent) nose than all the other guys in
> their entire brains.
>
> Jim was laconic, slow to speak, and not interested all in most of the
> topics and issues that occupy other people's conversations; but he had a
> ready, warm and rolling laugh that made us all feel that he had a better
> grasp on life than we, and that it was a better world than we all feared.
>
> clo

That was beautiful. I almost feel as if I knew the guy. I'm sorry for your
loss.

Sandra

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> Big differeneces I see.
>
> Boring because the guy is the victim.
> Broing because there is no fetus.
> Boring cuz not right before Xmas.
>
> Actually, this IS, IMHO, a more interesting story, but one that will
> end up in News of the Weird, rather than the front pages of most
> papers.
>
> dan

I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.

Sandra

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At 11:36 AM 5/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-05-09 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > At 06:23 PM 5/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >HEY NUMB NUTS, WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? I am completely normal. Speak for
> > >your own damn self! All of you are the abnormal deranged weirdos here,
> > >not me!
> >
> > In addition to Paul, I have grossly misrepresented Tushar. This post from
> > him is proof positive as I didn't have to read it three times in order to
> > figure out what he was saying. Amazingly enough I got the point, right
> away.
>
>Lisa,
>
>You are not so old that I can't give you a good correctional paddling.

Any idea why the phrase, "who's your daddy?", comes to my mind right now?

lisa

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At 06:52 PM 5/9/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Carolyn Ostrander:
>= steph wrote:
>=
>= > Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
>= > same city unless they're married to each other?
>=
>= What about BrPaul and me?
>= clo
>
>Well, um, you are, for the moment, an abberation.  Besides,
>you're still a newbie.  But you might just be the clo exception.
>We'll just have to wait and see.  Actually you might be the tenet
>exception, a la Nancy and Doris.  But they didn't live in the
>same city.  But maybe the one who lived in the county (Doris?) finally got
>annexed, and that's why they both had to leave.
>
>All I have to say is, everyone look out if we get a hot babe
>wordsler in Chicago.

Karen should move to Chicago instead of Syracuse!

Betty

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 11:01:13 AM, steph wrote:
> But if you moved to Toronto because Paul was eventually going to
> end up there, you would jinx him.

Nah.

> Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
> same city unless they're married to each other?

No. What are you, a newbie?

Karen

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:23:21 PM, sandra wrote:
> I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.

Coffin death?

Karen

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At 10:22 PM 5/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>How is "environment" defined here?
>
>Sandra

Spoken like a true techie.

lisa

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Sandra:
> I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.

I'd never heard about it until reading
your message.  What is "coffin death"?

--
Richard            no, not fat and smarmy

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10:03 09.05.2003 -0400 skrev lisa alfieri:
>Kristin, you'll wonder if there are normal people in you homeland.
>>>
>>>Did I miss anyone?
>>
>>Chopped liver.
>>
>>Espen
>
>Keep reading.. I did one for you too.

Ooops.

Espen

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> I was surprised a couple of weeks ago when my cat went after leftovers
> that had garlic--she ate a few hunks of the minced garlic. Last night
> she went after some salmon that was very highly flavored with ginger
> and soy sauce. This morning, she ate egg white with pepper on it. I
> thought cats liked bland food!
>
> I don't know where she learned this habit of eating human leftovers.
>
> Karen

Thanks for this. It spurred me to cook a hardboiled egg. I'll see if either
my cat or bird go for it.

Sandra

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Sorry to hear about your friend. This was a nice tribute to him.

lisa

At 08:10 AM 5/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I borrowed this heading from Bethany, because it seems to fit.
>
>Our friend Jim Mattes died at City of Hope last night. It appears I won't
>be in CA next week after all. He died of complications from a staph
>infection following his bone marrow (pharesis) transplant in April.
>
>Jim was part of a circle of men who became friends in high school - they
>shared fathers who were tough on their families, a working class
>background, and a love of music. Jim was better known as "Leech", so named
>by his Dad, but was a hardworking and generous soul.
>
>Most played guitars, and the favorite venue was any minimal building in
>the woods, away from family and work demands. They built a series of
>cabins in wooded areas near their homes during high school, and in 1971 0r
>2 began travelling to the camp Vance had gotten from his Dad, a former
>lumberman's shack in a ghost town in the middle of a 60K state forest in
>the mountains of PA. They gathered there every Memorial Day and Labor Day
>except 2, from 1972 to today.
>
>Most still live in Syracuse, and most are still single, or single again.
>Vance and the two of "da guys" who married my sisters were exceptions; so
>too was Jimmy, who hated NY winters and moved to Lake Tahoe,  where he
>worked until about 2 years ago as a bartender at Caesar's; but on his
>visits home he alwasy found time to get together with da guys, and play
>music.
>
>Because most of the guys considered the guitar their primary instrument,
>they focused their attention on remembering the chords and fingerings for
>songs (mostly bluegrass and 60's rock); often they would start lyrics at
>verse 2 or merely repeat the chorus when it came around. This drove me
>crazy, since the voice is my instrument, and I often was the only person
>who knew the words to non-Beatles tunes; but Jimmy always outdid us all in
>remembering songs in their entirety - it was said that Leech had more
>songs stored in his (rather prominent) nose than all the other guys in
>their entire brains.
>
>Jim was laconic, slow to speak, and not interested all in most of the
>topics and issues that occupy other people's conversations; but he had a
>ready, warm and rolling laugh that made us all feel that he had a better
>grasp on life than we, and that it was a better world than we all feared.
>
>clo

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:43:51 PM, sandra wrote:
> Thanks for this. It spurred me to cook a hardboiled egg. I'll see if either
> my cat or bird go for it.

If they don't mooch already, I wouldn't encourage it.

Karen

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5/9/2003, 11:23 AM, sandra wrote:

>> Big differeneces I see.
>>
>> Boring because the guy is the victim.
>> Broing because there is no fetus.
>> Boring cuz not right before Xmas.
>>
>> Actually, this IS, IMHO, a more interesting story, but one that will
>> end up in News of the Weird, rather than the front pages of most
>> papers.
>>
>> dan

s> I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.

Agree, but that was only mentioned almost in passing after finding the
bodies.  Unless the Enquirer or someone has been playing it up.....

--

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cute. open carefully and not with anyone watching


<http://rita.thegourmet.com/computers.html>

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> cute. open carefully and not with anyone watching
>
>
> <http://rita.thegourmet.com/computers.html>

That is hilarious.  Thanks.

        - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:23:21 PM, sandra wrote:
> > I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.
>
> Coffin death?

    Coffin birth.

JMW

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> Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:23:21 PM, sandra wrote:
> > I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.
>
> Coffin death?
>
> Karen

As a dead pregnant woman's body decomposes, the gases and the pressure they
create inside, forcibly expel the fetus. It is the explanation for why her
fetus was found in a different place than her body.

I hope they plaster his cell with photos of the fetus.

Sandra

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 1:02:58 PM, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:23:21 PM, sandra wrote:
>> > I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.
>>
>> Coffin death?

>     Coffin birth.

Ah. Ick!

Karen

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>
> Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:43:51 PM, sandra wrote:
> > Thanks for this. It spurred me to cook a hardboiled egg. I'll
> see if either
> > my cat or bird go for it.
>
> If they don't mooch already, I wouldn't encourage it.
>
> Karen

Boyd ate some of the egg :)  No determination on Marlowe.

Sandra

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

><http://rita.thegourmet.com/computers.html>

Love it!

Bethany

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Friday, May 9, 2003, 12:23:21 PM, sandra wrote:
> > > I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.
> >
> > Coffin death?
>
>     Coffin birth.
>
> JMW

Geez. You're absolutely right! It's coffin birth. Thanks!

Sandra

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At 12:36 PM 5/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Sandra:
> > I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.
>
>I'd never heard about it until reading
>your message.  What is "coffin death"?

Gas builds up and can cause the dead baby to be expelled from the dead mother.

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 9:45:15 AM, Rita Leonard wrote:
> My little Molly at quite a lot of heavily garlicked (word?) linguini
> with white clam sauce and broccoli last night.  She is also fond of the
> spicy chicken sandwich from Wendy's.  She is different from the rest of
> my cats.  The others will not eat any human food other than chicken
> breast.  Just like people, I think.

Interesting. I've lived with several cats in my life, but never with
one who was even tempted by spicy food. It's not just that she likes
to eat out of my bowl, or eat my food--she's actually pretty picky
about what she eats. (Which is why she's not fond of her dry food...)

> Rita L.
> P.S.  The first cat who ever owned me was named Burl!  She had a little
> gray spot on her chin that looked like a goatee.

I'm glad I'm not the only one to have a female cat named Burl.

Karen

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Actually, it's coffin birth, not death.  I read too quickly.

Betty

At 12:36 PM 5/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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> > I'd never heard about "coffin death" til the Laci Peterson case. Ick.
>
>I'd never heard about it until reading
>your message.  What is "coffin death"?
>
>--
>Richard            no, not fat and smarmy

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Karen Kay:
= Friday, May 9, 2003, 11:01:13 AM, steph wrote:
= > But if you moved to Toronto because Paul was eventually going to
= > end up there, you would jinx him.
=
= Nah.
=

ok.

= > Don't we have a rule like no two active wordslers can live in the
= > same city unless they're married to each other?
=
= No. What are you, a newbie?
=
= Karen

that should be can't up there, of course

Flower me with examples then.  Maybe it's "married to
each other or belonging to the same institution".  It's been a
while since FWP was on the list.

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On Friday, May 09, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> Actually, it's coffin birth, not death.  I read too quickly.

Birth, death. It's all the same...

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   And welcome to NATO, Kristin.

Thank you. We're not formally there yet, of course (to AnnBork: I cannot
do without an "of course" sometimes, but I think of you every time I use
it!)

Becoming a member of it is important, I think. And it meets far less
opposition here, if any, than joining the EU. Evidently feeling of
security is so important to everybody. I hope we will readily take all
responsibility required, too.

Kristin

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>     Coffin birth.

Damn.  They have a name for everything.

--
Richard            no, not fat and smarmy

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 1:28:07 PM, steph wrote:
> Flower me with examples then.  Maybe it's "married to
> each other or belonging to the same institution".  It's been a
> while since FWP was on the list.

Karsten and I lived in the same apt. without being married or working
at the same institution.

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= Friday, May 9, 2003, 1:28:07 PM, steph wrote:
= > Flower me with examples then.  Maybe it's "married to
= > each other or belonging to the same institution".  It's been a
= > while since FWP was on the list.
=
= Karsten and I lived in the same apt. without being married or working
= at the same institution.
=
= Karen

That's a petal.  Besides, when's the last time Karsten posted?

Too, there are they guys in Toronto, neither of who are posting
all that often.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:31 PM
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>
>Friday, May 9, 2003, 1:28:07 PM, steph wrote:
>> Flower me with examples then.  Maybe it's "married to
>> each other or belonging to the same institution".  It's been a
>> while since FWP was on the list.
>
>Karsten and I lived in the same apt. without being married or working
>at the same institution.
>
>Karen
>

Too many years ago!


alec

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steph:
>That's a petal.

Gubert lived in Metairie but claimed to
be an Orleanian.  And there have been a
few short-time WORDS-Lers from here, but
I guess that validates your point about
the geographical prohibition.

--
Richard            no, not fat and smarmy

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Thanks everyone for the support and sympathy. It does help.
Today is especially hard because it is Honors Convocation - I have
to put on a robe and be on stage cheering the senior thesis survivors
on as they receive their medals in a couple of hours. Luckily, if I
start thinking about Jim, I will be thought to be crying tears of
joy. ;-}

clo

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>
> >   And welcome to NATO, Kristin.
>
> Thank you. We're not formally there yet, of course (to AnnBork: I
cannot
> do without an "of course" sometimes, but I think of you every time I
use
> it!)
>
> Becoming a member of it is important, I think. And it meets far less
> opposition here, if any, than joining the EU. Evidently feeling of
> security is so important to everybody. I hope we will readily take all
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> Kristin

Good news.  Welcome indeed.

           - D. M.

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Wow.  Nice review.  Much better than what the Smokies got:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030512/misc/12park.div.htm

I had never heard all that much about The Balance Rock Inn which is owned
by the same couple that owns the Ledgelawn Inn, where Terry and Alan Wild
spent their honeymoon.   The Balance Rock is right on The Shore Path.  I
walk past it frequently.  But I never knew they had a concierge.


> > >     There are some glowing words about your corner of the world in
> the newest
> > > ish of USN&WR.
>
> > Whose?
>     Oops.  Bonnie and Clyde.
>JMW

    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> John Williams wrote:
>
> > > How was this discovered?
> >
> >     There are some things Man was not meant to know.
>
> Hmm.  Are you suggesting that it was a woman who first licked a frog's
> rear end?

What has happened more often: a frog turning into a prince, or a princess?
The latter, I guess. So, it rather might be a Man, or perhaps, a man,
whose kissing a frog didn't turn out quite as it was meant.

Kristin

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> - it was said that Leech had more
> songs stored in his (rather prominent) nose than all the other guys in
> their entire brains.
>
> Jim was laconic, slow to speak, and not interested all in most of the
> topics and issues that occupy other people's conversations; but he had a
> ready, warm and rolling laugh that made us all feel that he had a better
> grasp on life than we, and that it was a better world than we all feared.

Sorry for your loss of a good friend. And a bit of that world.

Kristin

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Karen:
>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:21:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
>Karen:
>>>Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!

> > PROTECTIONIST!

>Absolutely.

That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries) s'posed to
be good for investors. Current fashion is for income from capital
to be more highly rewarded than income from wages.

(But you already knew that.)

-rashmi

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At 09:21 AM 5/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:


>Dad Vail Regatta starts on the river. http://www.dadvail.org/

Brings back memories.  I never refereed at the Vails (did referee once at
the stie---for Masters Nationals), but several of schools are familiar
names from appearing in SIRA (Southern Intercollegiate Championships, which
are held in Oak Ridge).  For the smaller schools, the Dad Vail represents
their big championship event and for several that row in SIRA, their
performance there often strongly influences whether they will enter Dad
Vail.  I was amused that the LOC has forgotten how to spell "repechage."

Point of trivia:  the regatta is named for a long-time rowing coach at the
University of Wisconsin.

cwv

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At 03:17 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 09:21 AM 5/9/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
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>>Dad Vail Regatta starts on the river. http://www.dadvail.org/
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>Brings back memories.  I never refereed at the Vails (did referee once at
>the  [[[stie]]]

site

   Guess I just qualified for a spot on the LOC.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Surgery went smoothly - took about an hour. I was home within two hours.
> I just had a cappuccino - now I'll eat some soup (Kroger's tomato made
> with skim milk + grated cheese in it). THEN - naptime. I am pretty sleepy.
> And I am very glad surgery is over.

Glad to see you seem to feel rewarded.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> >
> > >   And welcome to NATO, Kristin.
> >
>
> Good news.  Welcome indeed.

Thank you.

Kristin

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02003-05-09 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> I hope they plaster his cell with photos of the fetus.

I don't know who started this out-of-control idea of
desensitizing the bad guy, but it sure is stupid ...

Maybe people just jaw it whenever they get the chance ...

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02003-05-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Karen:
> >Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:21:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
> >Karen:
> >>>Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!
>
> >> PROTECTIONIST!
>
> >Absolutely.
>
> That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries) s'posed to
> be good for investors. Current fashion is for income from capital
> to be more highly rewarded than income from wages.
>
> (But you already knew that.)

This response is infinitely lamer than "PROTECTIONIST!"
It will totally fail on TV.

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I just saw a short film on a life-sized screen with excellent resolution
on a gallery wall.  It showed the artist choosing the right octopus to
show Tokyo, then the trip from sea to Tokyo, then some Tokyo, then the
release back on the beach.

My favorite part was catching a glimpse of Mt Fuji, like the moon in a
daytime sky (then a better look at it, moon white but more like a
mountain).

My next favorite parts were the Japanese looking at the octopus and
seemingly without fail talking about wanting to eat it.  Even the cab
drivers.

The glimpses out the train window showed a foreign land to me.  I mean, it
looked FOREIGN.

Ann

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>
> 02003-05-09 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > I hope they plaster his cell with photos of the fetus.
>
> I don't know who started this out-of-control idea of
> desensitizing the bad guy, but it sure is stupid ...
>
> Maybe people just jaw it whenever they get the chance ...

Desensitizing?? I'm not thinking about it as therapy. Just some
conciousness-raising. But that's presuming much too much.

Sandra

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The best thing about this morning was that once the surgeon got started he
decided that he did not, after all, need to do a bone graft. That decision
knocked $500 off the price -

Bethany

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On Fri, 9 May 2003 14:53:53 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>02003-05-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>>Karen:
>> >Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:21:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
>> >Karen:
>> >>>Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!
>>
>> >> PROTECTIONIST!
>>
>> >Absolutely.
>>
>>That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries) s'posed to
>>be good for investors. Current fashion is for income from capital
>>to be more highly rewarded than income from wages.
>>
>>(But you already knew that.)
>
>This response is infinitely lamer than "PROTECTIONIST!

I don't care. Bwahahahaha!

>It will totally fail on TV.

Good thing then I'm not a talking head.

-rashmi

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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I'm a fan of our local tv critic, Tim Goodman. Here's his latest column:

"Next week when the networks roll out their ambitious new fall schedules,
some people may sift through them and think, "Oh, great, David E. Kelley's
got a new show, but why is 'Yes, Dear' coming back?" Or, more accurately,
"What the hell is 'Yes, Dear' and who watches it enough to get two
renewals?"

It happens every year. The emphasis is on the new, but the mystery rests
with the shows that somehow, even though you and your friends have never
once seen them or talked about them, come back year after year. In the
history of television, there are countless brain-twisters, like how "Wings"
stayed on the air for so many years.

Or why "The District" is still on the air. Every single person who watches
"The District," raise your hand right now. Hmmm. You, down in Redwood City,
what's up with that?

Because of this mysterious trend, here's an idea. Forget Turn Off Your TV
Week. Smart people know that's asinine. How about Watch Something Different
Week? Honestly. Change lanes, habit-girl. Shake things up a bit.

For instance, take a gander at "Third Watch" on NBC. Usually a middle-of-
the-road crime-and-punishment series, it periodically rises to superb drama,
making you wonder why you don't watch.

Or how about " Everwood" on the WB? This is a fine drama that only rarely
succumbs to too much saccharin and often stands out for its superb acting
and writing. Not many people are watching. Hell, the WB could be a case
study for this kind of thing, the poster network for Watch Something
Different Week.

Families griping about the lack of shows they can watch together miss, en
masse, "7th Heaven," which has been a stalwart on the WB for years. "Gilmore
Girls" remains one of the finest dramas on television but somehow is denied
the respect it deserves. (Granted, the WB is a smaller network, not a Big
Four selection, and it primarily caters to teenage girls; that, however,
doesn't mean the product isn't for those outside the demographic.)

Understandably, there is an excitement that comes from the announcement of a
new batch of TV shows. This is such a cyclical, failure-heavy industry that
viewers are now accustomed to flushing most of what premiered last year
while remaining eager for something fresh. Blame the cold, hard failure rate
for new shows -- roughly 80 percent -- or, worse, the often callous nature
of the networks (hello, ABC), which dump quality shows that garner buzz but
need time to be nurtured.

There is no patience in television, period.

And yet, for all the frustrations of a lost, quality series, what of the odd
survival of series you don't watch? Aren't you at least slightly intrigued
by the fact that, chronicler of all things popular, you are somehow off the
phone-tree of hype that fuels the survival of "Without a Trace"? People are
watching. But you're not. Why is that?

Next week, find out.

Granted, this can be a shell game. It's hard enough to understand why the
staples of your viewing diet go missing. Out of the blue, "The West Wing" or
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" goes into a four-week rerun pattern, interrupted
by one original episode, then a rerun. It's maddening. How then, to sample a
series that needs your help, like "Cedric the Entertainer," when it has been
replaced for six weeks by "Wanda at Large"?

Answer: Adopt randomness. Pick a night, tape a favorite if it's airing then,

and choose something else. When's the last time you watched "Nova" or
"Frontline" on PBS? Check out "American Dreams" on NBC or "The Guardian" on
CBS. There are still some people, Lord help their sorry souls, who have not
adopted "King of the Hill" on Fox.

Of course, some of these shows may not be coming back. A lot of shows you're
not watching are on the bubble, as they say. To you, this is not an issue.
You're worried only about "your" shows. Fine, but when those others get
renewed and you're bored witless by yet another season of "Friends," why not
peek at "JAG" on CBS and say, "I can't, for the life of me, suss this out."

There's something freeing about breaking out of a rut. Is there any harm in
a person who routinely watches "Cops" on Fox to, for the hell of it, tune in
PBS' "NOW With Bill Moyers" on a lark? There is not. You might find that,
yes, "Becker" on CBS is boring. Or that "Charmed" on the WB is stupid. But
you also might stumble onto something you hadn't previously considered, like
"Girlfriends" on UPN.

If Watch Something Different Week works out, mind you, then it's time to
graduate to something more daring. Like "Watch Cable Channels You're Paying
for But Never Stop on." Or, "Watch Cable Series That Are Great But You'd
Never in a Billion Years Know About Them Without Being Medicated and
Couch-Bound or Bored Witless."

But first, network baby steps. Because not having watched "Buffy the Vampire
Slayer" before it ended is a grievous pop culture mistake (though not having
watched "Dawson's Creek," which is also departing, is not the same kind of
hipness sin).

Take a week to be different. Find out what others people are watching and
why. Then, next season, you can add that new David E. Kelley series you'll
learn about next week.

Or not. "

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 1:39:53 PM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Friday, May 9, 2003, 1:28:07 PM, steph wrote:
= >> Flower me with examples then.  Maybe it's "married to
= >> each other or belonging to the same institution".  It's been a
= >> while since FWP was on the list.
> =
> = Karsten and I lived in the same apt. without being married or working
> = at the same institution.
> =
> = Karen

> That's a petal.  Besides, when's the last time Karsten posted?

I don't think 'being currently on the list' is a criterion.

> Too, there are they guys in Toronto, neither of who are posting
> all that often.

Indeed. And there were the Fluffyans. Your theory is full of holes,
newbie.

Karen

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I attended a Dementia panel discussion at our local Commonwealth Club with
my folks (my mom's the one who's affected). Weird that I also saw one of the
nuns from my high school (sans habit)...and my posture instantly improved.

My dad's sending me to Sacramento on Sunday night for a two-day workshop on
Dementia. My mom's become very confused about money lately...most of it
having to do with writing checks, cashing checks, understanding why my dad's
name is on her check. I guess the bank won't cash checks for her now, so
we've giving her a lot of cash. And I guess we'll figure out how to handle
getting "control" of her checking acct. Taking control of another person's
stuff doesn't feel very good, even when you're doing the right thing. And
she's angry that anyone would try to take control of it. For now, we're kind
of in limbo.

My dad checked out a senior community that also tends to people with
Alzheimers. It's in Claremont, CA (near Los Angeles) and my father has
brought up the subject with my mom but she insists she is not moving down
there, even if the rest of us move. I feel a move for myself coming on, but
I'm not sure about Claremont, lovely though it is.

The good thing, is that we're aware of more resources, and we'll manoeuver
through this, as people do. It's nearly all falling on my dad...and I'm
lucky he's there for her.

I hope this two-day workshop is full of answers for some of the issues we're
dealing with. I know some of you have had to deal with this with your own
folks. How'd you handle the checking situation? My mom's always been
paranoid/suspicious when it comes to $$$. And what with her 80th bday coming
up in June....she will no longer be able to drive. She's losing a lot of her
independence rather quickly. I'm sure she feels rather shell shocked. Or
maybe, we're just the ones feeling it.

Sandra

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Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:07:18 -0500
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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Friday, May 9, 2003, 3:04:20 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> My favorite part was catching a glimpse of Mt Fuji, like the moon in a
> daytime sky (then a better look at it, moon white but more like a
> mountain).

It's mountain-shaped, but it felt like the moon to me. The whole
experience was extremely surreal.

> My next favorite parts were the Japanese looking at the octopus and
> seemingly without fail talking about wanting to eat it.  Even the cab
> drivers.

But of course.

> The glimpses out the train window showed a foreign land to me.  I mean, it
> looked FOREIGN.

Yep. Not like Yurup at all, at all...

Karen

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Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:09:52 -0500
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Friday, May 9, 2003, 3:53:49 PM, S Hess wrote:
> I'm a fan of our local tv critic, Tim Goodman. Here's his latest column:

> Or why "The District" is still on the air. Every single person who watches
> "The District," raise your hand right now. Hmmm. You, down in Redwood City,
> what's up with that?

I don't live in Redwood City, but I generally watch it. I like a
couple of the actors.

> Because of this mysterious trend, here's an idea. Forget Turn Off Your TV
> Week. Smart people know that's asinine. How about Watch Something Different
> Week? Honestly. Change lanes, habit-girl. Shake things up a bit.

I already watch all of the programs he recommends.

Karen

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clo,

Sorry to hear of the loss of your family friend, Jim.  A very nice tribute.

Terry

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Sweetie will eat nothing but Friskies Ocean Fish dry food and
three fish flavors of Friskies canned.  She used to love 9 Lives
tuna but will not eat it any more.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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        My dogs used to go nuts simply to be able to eat the shit out
of Ana's diaper.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Sweetie will eat nothing but Friskies Ocean Fish dry food and
> three fish flavors of Friskies canned.  She used to love 9 Lives
> tuna but will not eat it any more.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> How do you catch a unique rabbit?
>
>


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At 05:35 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>Sweetie will eat nothing but Friskies Ocean Fish dry food and
>three fish flavors of Friskies canned.  She used to love 9 Lives
>tuna but will not eat it any more.

...and therefore, what?

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And therefore, we have confirmation that in any household where there is
a cat, the cat is in total control.  It is just the way it is.

clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 05:35 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>> Sweetie will eat nothing but Friskies Ocean Fish dry food and
>> three fish flavors of Friskies canned.  She used to love 9 Lives
>> tuna but will not eat it any more.
>
>
> ...and therefore, what?


--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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At 05:46 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>And therefore, we have confirmation that in any household where there is
>a cat, the cat is in total control.  It is just the way it is.

That Sweetie can dominate Evelyn is insufficient evidence upon which to
extrapolate to the universe.

cwv

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> The best thing about this morning was that once the surgeon got
started he
> decided that he did not, after all, need to do a bone graft. That
decision
> knocked $500 off the price -
>
> Bethany

I'm glad it's over for you.  Anticipation is the worst
part of some of these procedures.  I've never had
that one done, but I'm glad it may be there for me
if I ever need it.  Hope you recup just fine.

              - D. M.

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Hmmm...I guess I am prone to gross exaggeration on Friday afternoons.  I
don't find it at all surprising, though, that Evelyn is dominated by her
cat.  I am owned by five (which even I know is about three more than
"enough") precious cats and know this phenomenon very well.  We no
longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy."  It is an exercise in futility.

Rita L.

clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 05:46 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>
>> And therefore, we have confirmation that in any household where there is
>> a cat, the cat is in total control.  It is just the way it is.
>
>
> That Sweetie can dominate Evelyn is insufficient evidence upon which to
> extrapolate to the universe.
>
> cwv


--

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O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
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>
> I hope this two-day workshop is full of answers for some of the issues
we're
> dealing with. I know some of you have had to deal with this with your
own
> folks. How'd you handle the checking situation? My mom's always been
> paranoid/suspicious when it comes to $$$. And what with her 80th bday
coming
> up in June....she will no longer be able to drive. She's losing a lot
of her
> independence rather quickly. I'm sure she feels rather shell shocked.
Or
> maybe, we're just the ones feeling it.
>
> Sandra

I'm sorry I can be of no help.  I've had a lot of experience,
having lost everyone who went before me, but none of
them had problems in this category.  It must be hard,
because it's such a subtle problem that nevertheless needs
specific answers.   I wish you luck in finding help.

            - D. M.

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In a message dated 05/09/2003 4:42:31 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:

<<
At 05:35 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>Sweetie will eat nothing but Friskies Ocean Fish dry food and
>three fish flavors of Friskies canned.  She used to love 9 Lives
>tuna but will not eat it any more.

...and therefore, what?




>>

I've never known a cat before with such rigid tastes.   Siegi loved
lasagna, and most of the other cats would eat some human food
and most cat food.  Brandy was a bit finicky but not as finicky as
Sweetie.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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In a message dated 05/09/2003 4:52:16 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
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<<
That Sweetie can dominate Evelyn is insufficient evidence upon which to
extrapolate to the universe.

>>

Actually, it does save quite a bit of money; we don't have to buy
different kinds of food to tempt her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >You are not so old that I can't give you a good correctional paddling.
>
> Any idea why the phrase, "who's your daddy?", comes to my mind right now?

I, otoh, starting wondering when Verdant is going to return to us.

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Someone gave us today, as a gift,
a sack full of fresh morels.  Didn't
have to weasel secret information off
of "those who know where they are".
Didn't have to scrounge through the
forest or the river banks turning over
leaves and stumbling over old logs.

Just had to say "thank you."

And now they are soaking to remove
the sand, and then I have to figure out
what to do with them.  One favorite
way is to bread them and deep fry.
Or maybe just saute them plain.

Espen, we don't have exotic mushrooms
in these parts, just these simple morels,
and yet they are treasured and people
hide the secret information about their
locations.  I can't imagine stumbling upon
some of the mushrooms you find.  What
a thrill.

              - D. M.

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In a message dated 05/09/2003 5:00:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
.  We no
longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy."  It is an exercise in futility.


>>

Does any cat like sliced chicken in gravy?  Brandy used to lick the
gravy and leave the chicken; Sweetie wouldn't touch it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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> In a message dated 05/09/2003 5:00:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
> leonard@BC.EDU writes:
>
> <<
> .  We no
> longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy."  It is an exercise in futility.

> Does any cat like sliced chicken in gravy?  Brandy used to lick the
> gravy and leave the chicken; Sweetie wouldn't touch it.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

Like her "mother," Marlowe is easy to please, foodwise. She's never not
eaten what I've put out for her. OTOH, I my neighbor/friend's cat is super
fussy. And whenever the food brand/flavor or cat litter brand is changed,
she announces her displeasure loudly. Once, she did her "business" on my
friend's computer chair. Taking a dump on a computer chair is not the
easiest thing to do. Another time, she crawled up onto my friends lap (she
was reading in bed) and peed. I'm not a big fan of that cat. Mine would
never treat me like that. My cat is simply a wonderful and friendly
companion. I have taken her on trips and on this last housesitting
adventure. She'll use the catbox even when it's in a moving car. All she
cares about is being fed and petted. I can relate ;)

Sandra

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Anyone else a Spinner devotee? I love their channels, especially Jazz
Singers.

www.spinner.com

Sandra

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sandra wrote:

> Thanks for this. It spurred me to cook a hardboiled egg. I'll see if either
> my cat or bird go for it.

Darnit.  I forgot to buy jelly today.  But that's ok.  I did wondrous
deeds today, including clearing stuff out of the outside storage
building and cutting the grass.  I'm now enjoying the post-grass-cutting
glow.  I'm also drinking one of the tiny beers left over from when I
took them to the nursing home for Mama.  I told y'all about that, I'm
sure.  Anyway, I had a bunch of them here and had put some of them into
the refrigerator a long time ago.  I almost never drink beer but after
sweating for hours a beer was a perfect idea -- after gatorade and a
shower.  I'm about to have another (beer, that is, not shower).

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steph wrote:

> Flower me with examples then.  Maybe it's "married to
> each other or belonging to the same institution".  It's been a
> while since FWP was on the list.

We used to have tons of same-town Wordslers.  Remember how many were in
Providence and Boston?

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 5:00:15 PM, Rita Leonard wrote:
> We no longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy." It is an exercise in
> futility.

I guess that I have no compunction. If she doesn't like her cheap dry
food, tough beans. When she's hungry enough, she'll eat it.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Hmm.  Are you suggesting that it was a woman who first licked a frog's
> > rear end?
>
> What has happened more often: a frog turning into a prince, or a princess?
> The latter, I guess. So, it rather might be a Man, or perhaps, a man,
> whose kissing a frog didn't turn out quite as it was meant.

Good point.

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 5:18:04 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Does any cat like sliced chicken in gravy?

Mine.

Karen

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Don't mind Clyde.  We have three cats and Clyde has been known to defrost
two shrimp and feed them to the youngest cat when there is nothing else to
give her as he prepares dinner.


>Hmmm...I guess I am prone to gross exaggeration on Friday afternoons.  I
>don't find it at all surprising, though, that Evelyn is dominated by her
>cat.  I am owned by five (which even I know is about three more than
>"enough") precious cats and know this phenomenon very well.  We no
>longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy."  It is an exercise in futility.
>
>Rita L.
>
>clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>>At 05:46 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>>
>>>And therefore, we have confirmation that in any household where there is
>>>a cat, the cat is in total control.  It is just the way it is.
>>
>>
>>That Sweetie can dominate Evelyn is insufficient evidence upon which to
>>extrapolate to the universe.
>>
>>cwv
>
>
>--
>
>Rita Leonard
>Information Technology Systems Services
>O'Neill Library 544
>Phone:  617-552-3403
>Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
>
>"Whether you believe you can do a thing
>or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Someone gave us today, as a gift,
> a sack full of fresh morels.

    "Someone wuvs you vewwy much!"

> Just had to say "thank you."

    Hell, I'd bear his child.

> And now they are soaking to remove
> the sand, and then I have to figure out
> what to do with them.

    Overnight air to the GMA comes to mind.

> Espen, we don't have exotic mushrooms
> in these parts, just these simple morels,
> and yet they are treasured and people
> hide the secret information about their
> locations.

    Shootings are not unknown.  And now if you'll excuse me I have some
uncontrolled sobbing to catch up on.

JMW

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>Just had to say "thank you."
>
>And now they are soaking to remove
>the sand, and then I have to figure out
>what to do with them.  One favorite

The most interesting fact I know about morels - which can be found in the
Smokies and in the Ozarks - is that older rural mountain speakers often
call them <highland fish> or <dryland fish>. I once owned 20 acres in
Boone Co., Ark that produced morels.

Bethany

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> Anne- Normal? I'm from Texas.

Now that's what I'm talking about!

-a

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Fluffy Sam eats any damn thing I tell him to eat. This is Texas with a
capital T, y'all.

-a

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> Friday, May 9, 2003, 5:18:04 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > Does any cat like sliced chicken in gravy?
>
> Mine.
>
> Karen

Sure. Marlowe's never turned it down.

Sandra

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At 05:20 PM 5/9/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Someone gave us today, as a gift,
>a sack full of fresh morels.

I am envious.

cwv

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At 06:10 PM 5/9/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>Fluffy Sam eats any damn thing I tell him to eat. This is Texas with a
>capital T, y'all.

If you threw it at me, I'd eat it, too.

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Have we discussed before why it is that magnolia trees drop their leaves
in spring rather than in fall?  I think I remember asking that question
in the past, probably last spring, but I don't remember the answer.

--
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02003-05-09 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> >
> > 02003-05-09 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > I hope they plaster his cell with photos of the fetus.
> >
> > I don't know who started this out-of-control idea of
> > desensitizing the bad guy, but it sure is stupid ...
> >
> > Maybe people just jaw it whenever they get the chance ...
>
> Desensitizing?? I'm not thinking about it as therapy. Just some
> conciousness-raising. But that's presuming much too much.

"Consciousness-raising" ... that phrase is also a symptom of jawing.

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02003-05-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> On Fri, 9 May 2003 14:53:53 -0500, Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >02003-05-09 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >>Karen:
> >>>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:21:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
> >>>Karen:
> >>>>>Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!
> >>
> >>>> PROTECTIONIST!
> >>
> >>>Absolutely.
> >>
> >>That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries) s'posed to
> >>be good for investors. Current fashion is for income from capital
> >>to be more highly rewarded than income from wages.
> >>
> >>(But you already knew that.)
> >
> >This response is infinitely lamer than "PROTECTIONIST!
>
> I don't care. Bwahahahaha!
>
> >It will totally fail on TV.
>
> Good thing then I'm not a talking head.

I know all about you. You are seething on the inside, laughing
on the outside.

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>
> The most interesting fact I know about morels - which can be found in
the
> Smokies and in the Ozarks - is that older rural mountain speakers
often
> call them <highland fish> or <dryland fish>. I once owned 20 acres in
> Boone Co., Ark that produced morels.
>
> Bethany

Oh my.

   - D. M.

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:10:26 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> Fluffy Sam eats any damn thing I tell him to eat. This is Texas with a
> capital T, y'all.

Then I must be a Texan, since Burl eats what I give her to eat, too.

Karen

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02003-05-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I already watch all of the programs he recommends.

I knew K-R-N was the culprit.

I never watch anything other than The Honeymooners, greatest
show on TV.

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02003-05-09 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> Hmmm...I guess I am prone to gross exaggeration on Friday afternoons.  I
> don't find it at all surprising, though, that Evelyn is dominated by her
> cat.  I am owned by five (which even I know is about three more than
> "enough") precious cats and know this phenomenon very well.  We no
> longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy."  It is an exercise in futility.

Hey, you can ignore Dr Voigtlander ... damn, if he doesn't know
the most widely known thing about cats, there's only so much a
reasonable person can do.

> clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >That Sweetie can dominate Evelyn is insufficient evidence upon which to
> >extrapolate to the universe.

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02003-05-09 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Anne- Normal? I'm from Texas.
>
> Now that's what I'm talking about!

Dude, please. Have you turned 50 or something? You are
sounding ridiculous.

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:46:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I never watch anything other than The Honeymooners, greatest
> show on TV.

I don't disagree.

Karen

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> Have we discussed before why it is that magnolia trees drop their leaves
> in spring rather than in fall?  I think I remember asking that question
> in the past, probably last spring, but I don't remember the answer.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Maybe some one of you reading Natalie's post, and some knowledge of
gardening may have an answer to a mystery of mine. Just a last weekend, I
was leaving a friend's place and a tree with smallish orangish/peach fruit
was pointed out to me. The fruit is small, smaller than an apricot and
inside is a large nutlike thing (brown). The leaves are dark green, also
clustered...and rather bent in half, lengthwise. I love the taste of this
fruit...but I don't know what it is. Kinda peachy tasty...but not fuzzy like
a peach and it's mostly nut with a small amount of fruit around it. I suck
at descriptions, but maybe someone will have an idea about what this fruit
is. I remember having it when I was a kid, but until Dave pointed out the
tree (we thought from a distance that it was kumquats...not even close, as
it turns out) I hadn't noticed one in years.

Any clue? This might be best answered by a Californian since I don't know if
they grow anywhere else.

Sandra

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> 02003-05-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I already watch all of the programs he recommends.
>
> I knew K-R-N was the culprit.
>
> I never watch anything other than The Honeymooners, greatest
> show on TV.

To the moon, Tushar!

Sandra

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:58:12 PM, sandra wrote:
> Any clue? This might be best answered by a Californian since I don't know if
> they grow anywhere else.

Loquat? http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html

Karen

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At 06:39 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>Don't mind Clyde.  We have three cats and Clyde has been known to defrost
>two shrimp and feed them to the youngest cat when there is nothing else to
>give her as he prepares dinner.

Yes, but that has been and will always be my choice---and not because she
has refused to eat the catfood that is available.  Another of our cats has
strong preferences, but when she is hungry enough, she will eat what is
there.

cwv

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I'm sorry for your loss, Carolyn. He sounds like he was a neat guy.

--Adam
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Actually, I kind of like the fact that Sweetie will eat only certain
things.  It makes it easier shopping for her, and she fits right
into the family:  the more autistic members (my brother, my
nephew Henry, and I) have times in which we will eat only
certain things every day.

Evelyn Duncan
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> Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:58:12 PM, sandra wrote:
> > Any clue? This might be best answered by a Californian since I
> don't know if
> > they grow anywhere else.
>
> Loquat? http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html
>
> Karen

At first glance, I thought you'd nailed it. But it says each fruit has more
than one nut, and these are very clearly one seed/nut per fruit. Very little
flesh around each, though.

Sandra

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>
> > Friday, May 9, 2003, 6:58:12 PM, sandra wrote:
> > > Any clue? This might be best answered by a Californian since I
> > don't know if
> > > they grow anywhere else.
> >
> > Loquat? http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html
> >
> > Karen
>
> At first glance, I thought you'd nailed it. But it says each
> fruit has more
> than one nut, and these are very clearly one seed/nut per fruit.
> Very little
> flesh around each, though.
>
> Sandra

And it's a tall tree, too. Not a shrub or bush. But taller than a person.
And rather lush.

Sandra

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> dealing with. I know some of you have had to deal with this with your own
> folks. How'd you handle the checking situation?

For Granny, it was made easier by my Mom already having had power of
attorney. When it was determined that Granny would be staying in the nursing
home, Mom took Granny's checkbooks - simple as that. (She's in the nursing
home because she kept falling at home, and now can't get around without a
walker, and is just a frail little old lady.)

Meanwhile, Granny enjoys living in the nursing home, and thinks it's one of
the best things that ever happened to her. I am inclined to agree. She
doesn't have to worry about maintaining her life, and that's a huge relief
to all of us.

For my other grandmother, the one who had the Alzheimer's-like brain
condition, it was harder. Grampa said he first noticed her reduced mental
state in 1976 when they moved. Grampa retired and took care of her the best
he could, but even so he had to put her in a nursing home in 1981, where she
remained until her death in 1988.

(None of this really helps answer your question, does it...)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I'm glad it's over for you.  Anticipation is the worst
>part of some of these procedures.  I've never had
>that one done, but I'm glad it may be there for me
>if I ever need it.  Hope you recup just fine.

Thanks, Doris (did I tell you that my mother's name is Doris? - I don't
know why - it's Greek but not Biblical, so far as I know - there is a
Doric dialect etc.) - I have had a good, if strange day.  Good in that I
had no pain, did not have to nap after all, and was more-or-less alert all
day. I decided it would be better to go to bed early tonight than to take
a nap, thereby insuring that I would want a nap tomorrow.

Strange in that from about midday on, I kept thinking it was Sat. - I am
never home all day on a weekday.

I enjoyed the fact that I got to have sidewalk conversations with Old City
individuals whom I seldom see for more than a moment - some this morning,
some this evening.

I took one Celebrex today - not for pain, because I have had none -  but
to control the swellng.

I'll hit the sack soon. G'nite!

Bethany

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I love you Tushar!!!

Tushar Samant wrote:

>02003-05-09 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
>
>
>>Hmmm...I guess I am prone to gross exaggeration on Friday afternoons.  I
>>don't find it at all surprising, though, that Evelyn is dominated by her
>>cat.  I am owned by five (which even I know is about three more than
>>"enough") precious cats and know this phenomenon very well.  We no
>>longer server "Sliced chicken in gravy."  It is an exercise in futility.
>>
>>
>
>Hey, you can ignore Dr Voigtlander ... damn, if he doesn't know
>the most widely known thing about cats, there's only so much a
>reasonable person can do.
>
>
>
>>clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That Sweetie can dominate Evelyn is insufficient evidence upon which to
>>>extrapolate to the universe.
>>>
>>>

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On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 04:30 , Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:26:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
>> Karen:
>>>> PROTECTIONIST!
>>> Absolutely.
>
>> Oh.  My.
>
> I'm coming up on my 2nd anniversary of unemployment.

So move to Bangalore.
>
> Karen

Roy

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 7:52:09 PM, sandra wrote:
>> At first glance, I thought you'd nailed it. But it says each
>> fruit has more
>> than one nut, and these are very clearly one seed/nut per fruit.
>> Very little
>> flesh around each, though.

http://www.gemworld.com/Loquats.ASP says 1-3 seeds.

> And it's a tall tree, too. Not a shrub or bush. But taller than a person.
> And rather lush.

http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening/news/azdailystar/loquat.html says they
can grow up to 20 feet.

Karen

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02003-05-09 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> I love you Tushar!!!

Looks like I am collecting the set ...

Let us not forget that we all truly LOVE Dr Voigtlander.

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----- Original Message -----
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> On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 04:30 , Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:26:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
> >> Karen:
> >>>> PROTECTIONIST!
> >>> Absolutely.
> >
> >> Oh.  My.
> >
> > I'm coming up on my 2nd anniversary of unemployment.
>
> So move to Bangalore.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Roy

Nah, Ealing would be fun.


alec

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, John Williams wrote:
>
>     Shootings are not unknown.  And now if you'll excuse me I have some
> uncontrolled sobbing to catch up on.

We can buy them here:  in the supermarket at $50 per pound.  At the Marin
Farmers Market, $30 per pound.

Oh god in Michigan we could harvest them free at the same time as wild
asparagus.  AND they were better, as I remember them anyway, than bought
in the store, undoubtedly as I think of it because we ate them the same
day as we took them from the moist dirt of MICHIGAN sob sob sob sob me
too.

Ann

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> "Consciousness-raising" ... that phrase is also a symptom of jawing.

It meant something once, in sob sob sob sob MICHIGAN in when, the early
'70's?

Like, when we all sat around in a circle and described why the housework
was our responsibility, and IT ALL RANG FALSE  - boing boing - .

Hey!  I am an old codgeress!  And, actually, my then husband's refusal to
ever do the fucking LAUNDRY was actually key to my abandoning the
so-called relationship.

I am SO SEVENTIES.

Ann

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> I know all about you. You are seething on the inside, laughing
> on the outside.

Seething on the outside and laughing on the inside is SO MUCH MORE FUN.

Ann

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> On Fri, 9 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > "Consciousness-raising" ... that phrase is also a symptom of jawing.

Ann:
 It meant something once, in sob sob sob sob MICHIGAN in when, the early
> '70's?
>
> Like, when we all sat around in a circle and described why the
housework
> was our responsibility, and IT ALL RANG FALSE  - boing boing - .

THAT was supposed to raise your consciousness?
Boy, were you in the wrong group.

            - D. M.

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Do you think this is what we do?

(from Jennifer Thompson's weblog)

" It is, of course, impossible
to know exactly what another is thinking or feeling, but the attempt to
refract one's own thoughts and feelings through the imagined being of
another is inestimably valuable. . . . it's the other filtered through and
distorted by the perceptions of the self."

I've butchered this quote, which is about poetry and not about using
another person's life as a lens through which to see one's own - but still
I saw a similarity.

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> THAT was supposed to raise your consciousness?
> Boy, were you in the wrong group.

why?  I'm serious.

Ann

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> On Fri, 9 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > THAT was supposed to raise your consciousness?
> > Boy, were you in the wrong group.
>
> why?  I'm serious.
>
> Ann

I just don't understand.  Describing housework as
your responsibility raises you to what kind of
understanding?  Sounds like a discussion in a
ladies' group of a fundamentalist church, and not
meant to raise your consciousness but to keep you
modest, humble, accepting, etc. . . . which is all
right maybe but I wouldn't see it as a step up, but
maybe I'm misunderstanding what you were doing.

If you were very young and didn't understand you
were to take responsibility for decisions you made
. . .and that your decision to marry in that day and
age meant you as a woman do the housework and
that's part of the deal, that sounds like counselling
but not conscious-raising.  But again, I'm not sure
what you are talking about.

                    - D. M.

                - jD. M.

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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I just don't understand.  Describing housework as
> your responsibility raises you to what kind of
> understanding?

It was because the rationalizations sounded pretty stupid.  Including
mine.

> If you were very young and didn't understand you
> were to take responsibility for decisions you made
> . . .and that your decision to marry in that day and
> age meant you as a woman do the housework and
> that's part of the deal

I think the biggest thing for me was that I wanted to be in a
Relationship that could rewrite the rules.  I tried to negotiate,
actually, but got stonewalled.  Until I said I'm leaving -- then I could
have had any terms I wanted, but by then it was too late for me.  Why
should I have had to basically QUIT before my terms would be considered?

Huh? huh?

Ann

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> On Fri, 9 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > I just don't understand.  Describing housework as
> > your responsibility raises you to what kind of
> > understanding?
>
> It was because the rationalizations sounded pretty stupid.  Including
> mine.
>
> > If you were very young and didn't understand you
> > were to take responsibility for decisions you made
> > . . .and that your decision to marry in that day and
> > age meant you as a woman do the housework and
> > that's part of the deal
>
> I think the biggest thing for me was that I wanted to be in a
> Relationship that could rewrite the rules.  I tried to negotiate,
> actually, but got stonewalled.  Until I said I'm leaving -- then I
could
> have had any terms I wanted, but by then it was too late for me.  Why
> should I have had to basically QUIT before my terms would be
considered?
>
> Huh? huh?
>
> Ann

Because what we are doing here on earth is
learning by our experiences.  So, in the end
I suspect your experience did raise your
consciousness, but maybe not in the way
you expected.  Huh?  Huh?

                   - D. M.

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> learning by our experiences.  So, in the end
> I suspect your experience did raise your
> consciousness, but maybe not in the way
> you expected.  Huh?  Huh?

Actually, I was changed almost exactly as programmed.

I gather you never participated in the feminist conscious raising programs
of the 70's . . .

Right now I'm trying to think of the essay about housework that is
relevant here . . . DAMN.  I may have to bother some of my 70's sisters to
retrieve this . . .

the first name of the author was Pat?  why do I think that.  Maybe if I
google on "shitwork"

Ann

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> the first name of the author was Pat?  why do I think that.  Maybe if I
> google on "shitwork"

HOO HA, this was easy, here it is:

http://www.cwluherstory.com/CWLUArchive/polhousework.html

YOU HAD TO BE THERE AT THE TIME.

Ann

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>
> I gather you never participated in the feminist conscious raising
programs
> of the 70's . . .

You are correct.  No feminist anything.  I was, however,
very much involved in consciousness raising.

                            - D. M.

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02003-05-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Do you think this is what we do?
>
> (from Jennifer Thompson's weblog)
>
> " It is, of course, impossible
> to know exactly what another is thinking or feeling, but the attempt to
> refract one's own thoughts and feelings through the imagined being of
> another is inestimably valuable. . . . it's the other filtered through
> and distorted by the perceptions of the self."
>
> I've butchered this quote, which is about poetry and not about using
> another person's life as a lens through which to see one's own - but
> still I saw a similarity.

I understand that it's "butchered" and out of context, but really,
how can anyone remain interested in noodling with these concepts
over and over? I mean, going in circles about how one can know,
and know what someone else is thinking, and can one, and how it
is warped, and is that unavoidable, and on and on. I think it's
pretty insincere to say this sort of thing has "inestimable value".
Nobody's going anywhere with it--you need more powerful ideas of
e.g. "one" and "thought".

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Every time I read "consciousness raising," I'm reminded of a great Alabama
3 lyric, from _Ain't Goin' to Goa_:

"The righteous truth is, there ain't nothin' worse than some fool lyin' on
some third world beach in spandex psychedelic trousers, smokin' damn dope,
pretendin' he gettin' consciousness expansion. I want consciousness
expansion, I go to my local tabernacle, and I SING!"

Pete

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> Friday, May 9, 2003, 7:52:09 PM, sandra wrote:
> >> At first glance, I thought you'd nailed it. But it says each
> >> fruit has more
> >> than one nut, and these are very clearly one seed/nut per fruit.
> >> Very little
> >> flesh around each, though.
>
> http://www.gemworld.com/Loquats.ASP says 1-3 seeds.
>
> > And it's a tall tree, too. Not a shrub or bush. But taller than
> a person.
> > And rather lush.
>
> http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening/news/azdailystar/loquat.html says they
> can grow up to 20 feet.
>
> Karen

Thanks for your persistence. Yup...I think you did, indeed, nail it. I'm
thrilled to finally know what they are. And they're really tasty. I've never
run into one that had more than a single seed, but the picture confirms that
they are indeed loquats. Fun.

Thanks!!!

Sandra

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> Every time I read "consciousness raising," I'm reminded of a great Alabama
> 3 lyric, from _Ain't Goin' to Goa_:
>
> "The righteous truth is, there ain't nothin' worse than some fool lyin' on
> some third world beach in spandex psychedelic trousers, smokin' damn dope,
> pretendin' he gettin' consciousness expansion. I want consciousness
> expansion, I go to my local tabernacle, and I SING!"
>
> Pete

I think the first time I ever ran into the term was when I was very, very
young, and my folks took me and my brother to see the women's lib movie
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. That was even before THE WOMEN'S ROOM was
published. And the movie featured Helen Reddy's hit I AM WOMAN. Made a big
impression on me, child of the sixties and teen of the seventies.

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  I decided it would be better to go to bed early tonight than to take
> a nap, thereby insuring that I would want a nap tomorrow.

This makes me remember that I dreamed last night about sleeping.  In the
dream I was very tired and was thinking about taking a nap, something I
never do since I hate naps, but decided I shouldn't because it might
throw off my sleep patterns, making me not sleep that night and that I
needed sleep that night because of something important I was doing the
next day.  Weird.

> Strange in that from about midday on, I kept thinking it was Sat. - I am
> never home all day on a weekday.

I also kept thinking yesterday was Saturday since it was the first day I
haven't been to my office.  I think I may like being really retired.
I've been thinking about that more and more.  I had assumed that if I
moved to BSL, for example, I would probably get either a part-time or
full-time job doing tech writing/editing at the space center near there
or maybe teach part-time somewhere.  But I'm thinking now that not
working might be quite pleasurable.

> I'll hit the sack soon. G'nite!

And Good Morning.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>  When it was determined that Granny would be staying in the nursing
> home, Mom took Granny's checkbooks - simple as that.

My mother's nursing home didn't allow residents to have things like
checkbooks.  Mama adjusted pretty easily to that.  She hadn't been
writing her own checks in a long time anyway, though she did like having
a checkbook sitting close by.  Ditto cash.  It bothered her for a short
time that she didn't have any cash in the nursing home, but that too
seemed to fade quickly as a worry.

With Daddy, who had Alzheimers, it might have been a problem except for
the fact that Mama had always been the one to write all their checks
anyway.  So nothing changed.  One interesting thing about Daddy's
decline was that we had worried that he might not want to give up
driving, since he had always been the driver when the two of them went
somewhere.  But that turned out not to be a problem.  Mama just started
driving them, without his really saying anything about it or objecting.
It was funny in a way that even after he hadn't been driving in ages, he
would say when Mama needed to go somewhere, "I'll drive you."  She would
say ok, and they would go to the car, where she got into the driver's
seat and Daddy into the passenger seat.

Mama quit driving quite suddenly and with a clearcut decision.  This was
the year I was in Japan.  She said that she got into the car one morning
and was heading toward the little grocery store a couple of blocks from
her house when she suddenly became terrified of driving.  She said she
started thinking about a newspaper story about an old man who had done
something like run over a child.  So she turned around, came home, and
never drove again.  She hired somebody to go to the grocery store for
her after that, and Sunday School friends, when they realized she wasn't
driving, started picking her up to take her to Sunday School and church.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Do you think this is what we do?
>
> (from Jennifer Thompson's weblog)
>
> " It is, of course, impossible
> to know exactly what another is thinking or feeling, but the attempt to
> refract one's own thoughts and feelings through the imagined being of
> another is inestimably valuable. . . . it's the other filtered through and
> distorted by the perceptions of the self."
>
> I've butchered this quote, which is about poetry and not about using
> another person's life as a lens through which to see one's own - but still
> I saw a similarity.

Yes, I see a similarity.  It's not the total game, but it's part of it.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I gather you never participated in the feminist conscious raising programs
> of the 70's . . .

My at-that-time husband was into that kind of thing and pointed me
toward them.  Without his influence I don't think I would have paid any
attention to them.  I found them pretty boring for the most part.

> Right now I'm trying to think of the essay about housework that is
> relevant here . . . DAMN.  I may have to bother some of my 70's sisters to
> retrieve this . . .

I remember a pretty good one in a freshman reader we were using back
then.  The title was "I Need a Wife."  Don't remember the author.  It
was a female writing about how convenient it would be to have somebody
taking care of such details in her life.  It might have been just an
excerpt from a longer work.  Those freshman readers do that sometimes.

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I'm not sure that it is it.  For me, it's more about doing or valuing than
thinking or feeling.  Or maybe not.  Let me try to think of an example.   I
see parents around my age sacrificing to send their kids to college.  I see
them taking the kid around to see various colleges and assuring the kid
that she can attend whatever college she wants.   And I see other parents
who tell their kid he is on his own, needs to fill out all the paperwork
himself, and there is only so much money available so the kid better choose
the state college.  I ask myself "what would I do in that
situation?"   Although I like the first scenario much better, would I in
fact be willing to sacrifice my own lifestyle so that the (possibly
ungrateful) kid could have her shot?

Now, is that really attempting to know what the other is thinking?  I don't
really think so.

>Do you think this is what we do?
>
>(from Jennifer Thompson's weblog)
>
>" It is, of course, impossible
>to know exactly what another is thinking or feeling, but the attempt to
>refract one's own thoughts and feelings through the imagined being of
>another is inestimably valuable. . . . it's the other filtered through and
>distorted by the perceptions of the self."
>
>I've butchered this quote, which is about poetry and not about using
>another person's life as a lens through which to see one's own - but still
>I saw a similarity.
>
>Ann

    --bonniev

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I've watched two movies this week, both of them movies I had seen before
but enjoyed seeing again.  A few nights ago I watched "Compulsion,"
about the Loeb/Leopold murder.  I had seen the movie many years ago,
probably shortly after it came out in something like '57, but didn't
remember the details.  Last night I watched "Class Action," an early
'90s movie that I discovered at a video rental place in Japan and
watched there.  It's been on tv repeatedly since then, and I've always
thought, "I saw that in Japan and don't need to see it again."  Last
night I started watching it again and enjoyed it again.  It was nice
seeing it without the Japanese subtitles on the screen (though actually
I got quite used to them that year and barely noticed them).

Suddenly I'm trying to remember the name of the movie we discussed here
several months ago that I said sounded like my kind of movie.  Doris
mentioned having watched it and said a bit about it.  Marie then said
she'd seen it and liked it.  Others might have joined in the
discussion.  It was something about a woman keeping blind children or
sun-sensitive children or some such in a large old house.  I think I
would recognize the title, but I can't produce it -- something like "The
Others" or "The Odd Ones" but it had more words than that and wasn't
Others or Odd.

But now I need to eat something to stoke the furnaces to have energy to
be of use in helping somebody move at 9:00.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

> Now, is that really attempting to know what the other is thinking?  I don't
> really think so.

Right.  That's what I meant by saying that what AnnBork quoted wasn't
the total game.  I think I do some of what her quotation suggested also,
but mainly what we were talking about earlier, I think, is what you
described.

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Saturday, May 10, 2003, 7:01:04 AM, bonniev wrote:
> I'm not sure that it is it.  For me, it's more about doing or valuing than
> thinking or feeling.  Or maybe not.  Let me try to think of an example.   I
> see parents around my age sacrificing to send their kids to college.  I see
> them taking the kid around to see various colleges and assuring the kid
> that she can attend whatever college she wants.   And I see other parents
> who tell their kid he is on his own, needs to fill out all the paperwork
> himself, and there is only so much money available so the kid better choose
> the state college.  I ask myself "what would I do in that
> situation?"   Although I like the first scenario much better, would I in
> fact be willing to sacrifice my own lifestyle so that the (possibly
> ungrateful) kid could have her shot?

I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
odd.

Karen

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>I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
>Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
>odd.     --Karen

I have no personal experience whatsoever in this realm because my siblings
didn't even consider going to college and I was in the convent when I
started college.  Thus, I possibly found the whole process even more
fascinating when I had three rowing friends with soon-to-be-college age
children.

I don't find it odd that parents pay.  It's very nice when they can pretty
easily afford it.  Even when they can't, if they are clever, intelligent,
and dedicated, parents can make it possible to get assistance.  So why
not?  My mixed double partner played all the legitimate angles to
redistribute assets and get the most assistance so that his daughter could
go to MIT and his son to Drew.  Then when they graduated, he paid off their
student loans for them.


    --bonniev

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> > I gather you never participated in the feminist conscious raising
> >programs of the 70's . . .     --Borkin
>
>You are correct.  No feminist anything.  I was, however,
>very much involved in consciousness raising.
>                             - D. M.

I understand exactly where you are coming from Borkin and even read the URL
article you posted with interest and nostalgia.  But I don't understand
where Doris is coming from.  What kind of consciousness raising are you
thinking of Doris?  The kind where you leave your body and float close to
the ceiling?


    --bonniev

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>. . .and that your decision to marry in that day and
>age meant you as a woman do the housework and
>that's part of the deal, that sounds like counselling
>but not conscious-raising.
>                     - D. M.

And if this were accepted by everyone as "part of the deal", then "the
deal" would never change.


    --bonniev

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>I remember a pretty good one in a freshman reader we were using back
then.  The title was "I Need a Wife."  Don't remember the author.  It
was a female writing about how convenient it would be to have somebody
taking care of such details in her life.  It might have been just an
excerpt from a longer work.  Those freshman readers do that sometimes.

> -- Natalie

"Why I Want a Wife" by Judith Syfers. It still appeares in two different new
editions I use. Students still like it, for the most part.

Here's the whole thing here:

http://www.cwluherstory.com/CWLUArchive/wantawife.html

AS

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Quoting Alabama 3 lyric:

> "The righteous truth is, there ain't nothin' worse than some fool lyin' on
> some third world beach in spandex psychedelic trousers, smokin' damn dope,
> pretendin' he gettin' consciousness expansion. I want consciousness
> expansion, I go to my local tabernacle, and I SING!"
>
> Pete

Well, hey -- I can attest that the former is effective too. :).

AS

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> I understand exactly where you are coming from Borkin and even read
the URL
> article you posted with interest and nostalgia.  But I don't
understand
> where Doris is coming from.  What kind of consciousness raising are
you
> thinking of Doris?  The kind where you leave your body and float close
to
> the ceiling?
>
>
>     --bonniev

No.

Hard question to answer, and I'm leaving this morning for
a couple of days out of town, so must pack, then leave.

I guess I mean that things I participated in were not from a
feminist point of view.  Just looking for the whole person,
the soul aspect, satisfying a hunger, not questioning or
justifying my status.

                                 - D. M.

                                             - D. M.

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>I guess I mean that things I participated in were not from a
feminist point of view.  Just looking for the whole person,
the soul aspect, satisfying a hunger, not questioning or
justifying my status.


- D. M.

I know what you mean. In fact, should I get married again, I would gladly
fill a more "retro" role. In fact, I would find this quite liberating.

AS

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At 01:57 AM 5/10/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Do you think this is what we do?
> >
> > (from Jennifer Thompson's weblog)
> >
> > " It is, of course, impossible
> > to know exactly what another is thinking or feeling, but the attempt to
> > refract one's own thoughts and feelings through the imagined being of
> > another is inestimably valuable. . . . it's the other filtered through
> > and distorted by the perceptions of the self."
> >
> > I've butchered this quote, which is about poetry and not about using
> > another person's life as a lens through which to see one's own - but
> > still I saw a similarity.
>
>I understand that it's "butchered" and out of context, but really,
>how can anyone remain interested in noodling with these concepts
>over and over? I mean, going in circles about how one can know,
>and know what someone else is thinking, and can one, and how it
>is warped, and is that unavoidable, and on and on. I think it's
>pretty insincere to say this sort of thing has "inestimable value".
>Nobody's going anywhere with it--you need more powerful ideas of
>e.g. "one" and "thought".

One ought to not post drunk. I thought this was what Bonniev and Natalie did.

Betty

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At 06:32 AM 5/10/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> >  I decided it would be better to go to bed early tonight than to take
> > a nap, thereby insuring that I would want a nap tomorrow.
>
>This makes me remember that I dreamed last night about sleeping.  In the
>dream I was very tired and was thinking about taking a nap, something I
>never do since I hate naps, but decided I shouldn't because it might
>throw off my sleep patterns, making me not sleep that night and that I
>needed sleep that night because of something important I was doing the
>next day.  Weird.
.

<yawn>

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    You kick ass.

John

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On Sat, 10 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>And Good Morning.

And also to you!

Bethany

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At 06:29 AM 5/10/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>     You kick ass.
>
>John

Thank you.

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>     You kick ass.
>John

Thanks.  I appreciate the support.


    --bonniev

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At 10:25 AM 5/10/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>     You kick ass.
>>John
>
>Thanks.  I appreciate the support.

Do you own a blue denim jumper?  Just curious.

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At 07:29 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>One of them tests:
>
>http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>
>(I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)

So I was bored this morning and took the test.  I'm with you, Rita.

Betty

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>>>     You kick ass.
>>>John
>>
>>Thanks.  I appreciate the support.
>
>Do you own a blue denim jumper?  Just curious.

No, but I own a blue denim, sleeveless, unbutton all the way down the
front, knee length dress.


    --bonniev

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At 08:40 AM 5/10/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>> > I gather you never participated in the feminist conscious raising
>> >programs of the 70's . . .     --Borkin
>>
>>You are correct.  No feminist anything.  I was, however,
>>very much involved in consciousness raising.
>>                             - D. M.
>
>I understand exactly where you are coming from Borkin and even read the URL
>article you posted with interest and nostalgia.  But I don't understand
>where Doris is coming from.  What kind of consciousness raising are you
>thinking of Doris?  The kind where you leave your body and float close to
>the ceiling?


Now you're talking!

Betty

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At 08:21 AM 5/10/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Quoting Alabama 3 lyric:
>
> > "The righteous truth is, there ain't nothin' worse than some fool lyin' on
> > some third world beach in spandex psychedelic trousers, smokin' damn dope,
> > pretendin' he gettin' consciousness expansion. I want consciousness
> > expansion, I go to my local tabernacle, and I SING!"
> >
> > Pete
>
>Well, hey -- I can attest that the former is effective too. :).

That is one talent that I have always envied.  I wish I could sing.

Betty

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At 08:20 AM 5/10/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I understand exactly where you are coming from Borkin and even read
>the URL
> > article you posted with interest and nostalgia.  But I don't
>understand
> > where Doris is coming from.  What kind of consciousness raising are
>you
> > thinking of Doris?  The kind where you leave your body and float close
>to
> > the ceiling?
> >
> >
> >     --bonniev
>
>No.
>
>Hard question to answer, and I'm leaving this morning for
>a couple of days out of town, so must pack, then leave.
>
>I guess I mean that things I participated in were not from a
>feminist point of view.  Just looking for the whole person,
>the soul aspect, satisfying a hunger, not questioning or
>justifying my status.

Heavy thoughts this morning.  I need more coffee. You've come a long ways,
baybee.

Betty

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On Sat, 10 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
>Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
>odd.

It was not an option in my family. Tuition was $100 a semester, and my
father occasionally gave me the $100, but usually I paid it. When I was a
senior, I thought I was going to have to drop out before my last semester,
because I did not have $100. I finally went to my dep't head - he got me
the only scholarship I had as an undergraduate - and I think he helped me
buy books that semester. I usually had 2-3 parttime jobs.

Bethany

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John Williams:
=     You kick ass.
=

Thanks.

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bonniev:
= >>>    You kick ass.
= >>>John
= >>
= >>Thanks.  I appreciate the support.
= >
= >Do you own a blue denim jumper?  Just curious.
=
= No, but I own a blue denim, sleeveless, unbutton all the way down the
= front, knee length dress.
=
=
=    --bonniev

should be shorter.

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At 04:53 PM 5/10/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>bonniev:
>= >>>    You kick ass.
>= >>>John
>= >>
>= >>Thanks.  I appreciate the support.
>= >
>= >Do you own a blue denim jumper?  Just curious.
>=
>= No, but I own a blue denim, sleeveless, unbutton all the way down the
>= front, knee length dress.
>=
>=
>=    --bonniev
>
>should be shorter.

And left unbuttoned.

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http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/57502.htm

spot the error!

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> With Daddy, who had Alzheimers, it might have been a problem except for
> the fact that Mama had always been the one to write all their checks
> anyway.
>
> Mama quit driving quite suddenly and with a clearcut decision.  This was
> the year I was in Japan.  She said that she got into the car one morning
> and was heading toward the little grocery store a couple of blocks from
> her house when she suddenly became terrified of driving.  S
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I think at the age of 80, one is required by the DMV to take a test. Whether
it's written or practical, there's no way my mom can come even close to
passing. She had to retake the last written test more than once. I'm pretty
sure they're giving me her car, a cute little red miata...'91 with about
40,000 on it. Cherry condition. They've said as much, but it all feels
awkward. There's nothing wrong with my car, but it's old and the mileage is
way up there. So, a new car would be terrific. Good thing I've lost weight.
I never would have managed to be so big and have a little car. As it is,
I'll be flanked by the all mighty and popular SUVs that populate the town.
Now, I'll never see where I'm going.

My mom has always been very clear about money. What's hers is hers and what
his is theirs. She's always been good with money and never come close to
spending more than she had. She married late in life (late 30s ...it was
1959) and my dad wouldn't marry her til she learned to drive. She was never
all that keen about driving but, still it will be hard for her to give up.
Harder will be dealing with her checking. The bank seems to be refusing to
cash her checks....and she no longer seems to know what to do with checks.
She gets a fair amount of money each month from various sources. I'll have a
talk with her about it. That's the hard thing....there's not a lot of
rationality there, never was, and now it's noticeably absent. She's always
been a little suspicious about people and money and it manifests itself in
an extreme way in her current condition.

I've got to call the hotel/conference for this 2-day workshop in Sac. I
asked my dad to email me his questions/concerns.

I'm also going to call a move-in coordinator to get her rates for organizing
moves to retirement homes.

Sandra

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> I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
> Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
> odd.
>
> Karen

My parents did the same....we were told, as we were growing up, that if we
went to college, they'd pay. Otherwise, we'd need to find jobs and if we
wanted to live at home we'd pay rent. It wasn't presented as a threat or
enticement. It was presented as The Way Things Are.

Sandra

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> I've watched two movies this week, both of them movies I had seen before
> but enjoyed seeing again.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I netflixed DICK, DICK TRACY and watched SPIDERMAN. DICK was easily the best
of the three and I was surprised how much I enjoyed SPIDERMAN. I rec'd TOUCH
OF CLASS and will watch it later today. I always liked George Segal
(especially before the tv series he's now in) and Glenda Jackson. I have
wanted to watch STEVIE but I cannot find it anywhere.

Later I'm off to visit with the man who owns the house I housesat (my second
cousin, Bob) and dinner with the woman I did taxwork with.

Tomorrow, I'll spend the day with my mom and dad. Take a drive and have
dinner in Ignacio (northern Marin).

Sandra

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steph writes,

>spot the error!

It spell checks fine, no?  So it's sloppy writing and editing.

Or perhaps it's part a cleverly disguised message...

;-)

Pete

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Peter Kaminski:
= steph writes,
=
= >spot the error!
=
= It spell checks fine, no?  So it's sloppy writing and editing.
=

I meant something more like the operator of the spell checker did
a poor job.

= Or perhaps it's part a cleverly disguised message...
=
= ;-)
=
= Pete

The first time I looked at the page I got an almost pornographic
Victoria's Secret ad.

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02003-05-09 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I think the biggest thing for me was that I wanted to be in a
> Relationship that could rewrite the rules.  I tried to negotiate,
> actually, but got stonewalled.  Until I said I'm leaving -- then I could
> have had any terms I wanted, but by then it was too late for me.  Why
> should I have had to basically QUIT before my terms would be considered?
>
> Huh? huh?

The cardinal fact of the matter is that you quit a relationship
you signed up for. Everything else is to be seen in this light.
A raised consciousness leads to gritting, not quitting. It
follows that you were young and thoughtless, and naturally,
hearing the wrong sort of superficial sloganeering upset you
a lot. You didn't ponder the deeper stuff, like who am I anyway?
Am I a moral being? And so on. I forgive you. After restoring
a modicum of order in this thread, I'd like to leave it now.
But a lot of food for thought here for you girls.

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On Sat, 10 May 2003, John Williams wrote:

>     You kick ass.

Oh thank goodness I know this isn't for -me-.  I am far too feminine to do
anything like THAT.

Ann

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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:11:55 -0500
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Hi, Natalie.
Its called "The Others" and its has a very interesting twist to it.
You probably would be very intrigued.
pj


>Suddenly I'm trying to remember the name of the movie we discussed here
>several months ago that I said sounded like my kind of movie.  Doris
>mentioned having watched it and said a bit about it.  Marie then said
>she'd seen it and liked it.  Others might have joined in the
>discussion.  It was something about a woman keeping blind children or
>sun-sensitive children or some such in a large old house.  I think I
>would recognize the title, but I can't produce it -- something like "The
>Others" or "The Odd Ones" but it had more words than that and wasn't
>Others or Odd.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, May 10, 2003, 7:01:04 AM, bonniev wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure that it is it.  For me, it's more about doing or valuing than
>>thinking or feeling.  Or maybe not.  Let me try to think of an example.   I
>>see parents around my age sacrificing to send their kids to college.  I see
>>them taking the kid around to see various colleges and assuring the kid
>>that she can attend whatever college she wants.   And I see other parents
>>who tell their kid he is on his own, needs to fill out all the paperwork
>>himself, and there is only so much money available so the kid better choose
>>the state college.  I ask myself "what would I do in that
>>situation?"   Although I like the first scenario much better, would I in
>>fact be willing to sacrifice my own lifestyle so that the (possibly
>>ungrateful) kid could have her shot?
>>
>
> I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
> Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
> odd.


        We'll pay for Ana's college.  I paid my own.  But we're far
more financially stable than my parents were when my
siblings and I were young.  They never could save anything,
and we've already got a good deal saved for Ana.  Of course,
if she wants the gold-plated education, she'll have to belly
up for some loans.  So far she doesn't seem like the
academic superstar type, though.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 05:57 PM 5/10/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/57502.htm
>
>spot the error!


stenography?   should be "steganography"   -    stenography is the practice
of writing in "shorthand", i.e. stenographers.


Its from an ABC News article called "Terror Codes Hidden in Pornography"

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ITeamInsider.html#porncode

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My daughter's high school graduation is next week.    We told her that she
could go to college anywhere she wanted and we would help pay for it - up
to the amount that we would pay for tuition here at UofA. (We live 5
minutes from UofA and we both work there.)  If she goes to UofA, then we
would pay for her tuition.  Somewhere else - she has to pay the
difference.   Even going here, she has to work to come up with the money
for books, etc., but she also is going to live at home and we aren't going
to require her to pay rent for the first two years.
pj

At 09:06 AM 5/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
> > Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
> > odd.
> >
> > Karen
>
>My parents did the same....we were told, as we were growing up, that if we
>went to college, they'd pay. Otherwise, we'd need to find jobs and if we
>wanted to live at home we'd pay rent. It wasn't presented as a threat or
>enticement. It was presented as The Way Things Are.
>
>Sandra

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Phyllis Shaw:
= At 05:57 PM 5/10/2003 +0200, you wrote:
= >http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/57502.htm
= >
= >spot the error!
=
=
= stenography?   should be "steganography"   -    stenography is the practice
= of writing in "shorthand", i.e. stenographers.
=
=
= Its from an ABC News article called "Terror Codes Hidden in Pornography"
=
= http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ITeamInsider.html#porncode

Oh, this is even better.  Do you think The Post was trying to
correct ABC?

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At 07:01 PM 5/10/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Phyllis Shaw:
>= At 05:57 PM 5/10/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>= >http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/57502.htm
>= >
>= >spot the error!
>=
>=
>= stenography?   should be "steganography"   -    stenography is the practice
>= of writing in "shorthand", i.e. stenographers.
>=
>=
>= Its from an ABC News article called "Terror Codes Hidden in Pornography"
>=
>= http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ITeamInsider.html#porncode
>
>Oh, this is even better.  Do you think The Post was trying to
>correct ABC?

I think ABC had it right and the Post reporter messed up.

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steph writes,

>The first time I looked at the page I got an almost pornographic
>Victoria's Secret ad.

Proxomitron rocks (although it *is* Windows-only).

Pete

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Betty wrote:

> At 07:29 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> One of them tests:
>>
>> http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
>>
>> (I made it to purgatory for some inexplicable reason.)
>
>
> So I was bored this morning and took the test.  I'm with you, Rita.


        It's nice to have some company up here away from all these
evildoers.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 09:01 AM 05/10/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>
>I think at the age of 80, one is required by the DMV to take a test.

Not in California. My dad turns 80 this year. I was curious so I looked it up:

DMV can reexamine a driver when information suggests they no longer have the
knowledge and/or skill necessary to drive safely.  Such reexaminations are
based on information received from peace officers, physicians, family members,
relatives, acquaintances or other persons that state specific observations
relating to the person's potential ability to drive safely.  Information
pertaining solely to the age of the individual is not, in itself, considered
relevant, nor will DMV reexamine a driver solely on the basis of his or her
age.



Larry

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Ha ha ... I had a chance to glance at some news channel yesterday,
and guess the headline "Tornado Terrorizes Oklahoma Town".

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5/9/2003, 4:15 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:


>> >You are not so old that I can't give you a good correctional paddling.
>>
>> Any idea why the phrase, "who's your daddy?", comes to my mind right now?

NM> I, otoh, starting wondering when Verdant is going to return to us.

Me too.  I see her/their books in the store any time I drop in in, but
haven't heard from her in ages.  Of course I've not been on here in
ages, either.  But I'll be around for awhile.

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Are we looking at mock oranges, or other variant names of such?

5/9/2003, 7:37 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Friday, May 9, 2003, 7:52:09 PM, sandra wrote:
>>> At first glance, I thought you'd nailed it. But it says each
>>> fruit has more
>>> than one nut, and these are very clearly one seed/nut per fruit.
>>> Very little
>>> flesh around each, though.

KK> http://www.gemworld.com/Loquats.ASP says 1-3 seeds.

>> And it's a tall tree, too. Not a shrub or bush. But taller than a person.
>> And rather lush.

KK> http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening/news/azdailystar/loquat.html says they
KK> can grow up to 20 feet.

KK> Karen


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On Saturday, May 10, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> Are we looking at mock oranges, or other variant names of such?

I didn't realize that mock oranges fruited.

http://dict.die.net/mock%20orange/ says the fruit resembles an orange
but is inedible.

Karen

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>Of course I've not been on here in
ages, either.  But I'll be around for awhile.


>dan

Good!

AS

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At 12:06 PM 5/10/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:


>        We'll pay for Ana's college.  I paid my own.  But we're far
>more financially stable than my parents were when my
>siblings and I were young.  They never could save anything,
>and we've already got a good deal saved for Ana.  Of course,
>if she wants the gold-plated education, she'll have to belly
>up for some loans.  So far she doesn't seem like the
>academic superstar type, though.

We made a deal with both our kids.  We'll pay for  the first year.  The
second, third, and fourth years we'll pay tuition and books but you'll have
to keep yourselves alive, however, you can live at home free while
attending college. They both got jobs and lived away from home.  It was
great.  We got the tax deduction. There were no loans to pay off but
tuition at Berkeley is going to take a big hike this year so I'm glad they
are done.

Free at last.

Betty

Betty

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At 8:57 AM -0700 5/10/03, steph wrote:
>http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/57502.htm
>
>spot the error!

I'd say this is almost certainly a spellchuck.  Somewhere along the way,
Microsoft Word said "don't you mean...?", and the flunky at the keyboard
said, "Sure, I guess."

Ken Miller
Partridge School of Gentle Arts

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Bo Okra T.:

>I'd say this is almost certainly a spellchuck.  Somewhere along the way,
Microsoft Word said "don't you mean...?", and the flunky at the keyboard
said, "Sure, I guess."

That's my take.

AS

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Bookrat:
= At 8:57 AM -0700 5/10/03, steph wrote:
= >http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/57502.htm
= >
= >spot the error!
=
= I'd say this is almost certainly a spellchuck.  Somewhere along the way,

Ah.  I like this word.

= Microsoft Word said "don't you mean...?", and the flunky at the keyboard
= said, "Sure, I guess."
=
= Ken Miller
= Partridge School of Gentle Arts

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> At 09:01 AM 05/10/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >
> >I think at the age of 80, one is required by the DMV to take a test.
>
> Not in California. My dad turns 80 this year. I was curious so I
> looked it up:
>
> DMV can reexamine a driver when information suggests they no
> longer have the
> knowledge and/or skill necessary to drive safely.  Such reexaminations are
> based on information received from peace officers, physicians,
> family members,
> relatives, acquaintances or other persons that state specific observations
> relating to the person's potential ability to drive safely.  Information
> pertaining solely to the age of the individual is not, in itself,
> considered
> relevant, nor will DMV reexamine a driver solely on the basis of
> his or her
> age.

> Larry

Then I have it wrong. OTOH, my mother's license expires on her 80th bday and
will need to take a test of some sort.

Sandra

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02003-05-10 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> I'd say this is almost certainly a spellchuck.  Somewhere along the way,
> Microsoft Word said "don't you mean...?", and the flunky at the keyboard
> said, "Sure, I guess."

WRONG

Stenography is itself a steganograph of the letters "G.A." Duh.
Now all we need to do is figure out the terror implications of
the letters G.A. ... Since the only thing I can think of for
those letters is "Ghetto Apostle", the conclusion is clear.

Bomb the ghettoes before tragedy strikes! (And thus prevent
tragedy from striking in the first place.)

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...... today's selections by Tom Lehrer!

AS

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I do find it odd that parents pay for college so automatically.
> Neither my parents nor my friends parents did that, so I find it very
> odd.

And I find it odd that you find it odd.  I consider it <normal>.  My
parents paid for my B.A. degree, as their parents before them had paid
for theirs.  That was just <how it worked> among people I knew back
then.  I've known people in my adult life, including some of my
students, who have paid their own way, but I knew nobody who did back in
my generation, except for those who had huge scholarships that paid
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bonniev wrote:

> I don't find it odd that parents pay.  It's very nice when they can pretty
> easily afford it.  Even when they can't, if they are clever, intelligent,
> and dedicated, parents can make it possible to get assistance.  So why
> not?

I think one of the responsbilities of parenthood is to provide your
child a decent education to the extent that you can afford to do so.
That last phrase means that I am not saying that somebody who can't
afford to send a child to college shouldn't have a child.  But I think
that a parent who can afford to send a child to college or to whatever
post-hs training is appropriate for that child should do so.

I've told before that my parents said that they planned my brother and
me four years apart because of college tuition.  I still don't know what
kind of birth control they used, but it worked:  Feb. 8, 1939, March 16,
1943.

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Perhaps I am the last to know:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-26.html

Government buildings not displaying the flag (and there are hundreds)
will be rapped on the knuckles by specially trained nuns ... as will
anybody who looks like he is laughing

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >And Good Morning.
>
> And also to you!

But now it is late afternoon.  And I've experienced another day of
sweaty labor and am therefore feeling the pleasant afterglow again.
This morning's move was easy since the person who was moving has very
few possessions.  But it was still a sweaty endeavor.  The only glitch
in the move was our discovery that we couldn't get the box springs up
the stairs to the bedroom.  Finally somebody suggested that the few
inches we would gain by taking down the stair-rail might do it.  So I am
happy to brag that I played an important role by rushing home and
getting a screwdriver since I lived closest to where we were.  And it
worked.  Later today I went to Wmart and bought another plastic storage
chest that I drilled holes in and filled with potting soil and planted
some more tomatoes.  And I mulched some stuff.  And the really neat
accomplishment of the day was that I discovered one can buy hook things
to stick into pegboard.  My outside storage building is walled with
pegboard, which is almost impossible to drive a nail into.  I had a few
light things hanging precariously on nails that I stuck into the holes,
but that doesn't work well.  Now I have some official pegboard hooks and
have been enjoying hanging stuff.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> father occasionally gave me the $100, but usually I paid it. When I was a
> senior, I thought I was going to have to drop out before my last semester,
> because I did not have $100.

I might have told before about how my father barely made it through.
His father had died when Daddy was fifteen.  At that time they were
pretty prosperous.  But Daddy's mother was something of a bubblehead and
managed to lose almost everything over the following years.  Then the
Depression came.  When Daddy's graduation was approaching, he didn't
have the $10 diploma fee.  Somehow a jeweler in Jackson found out that
Daddy was about to go to a bank to borrow the $10, and he insisted on
giving Daddy the $10.  Not only did Daddy pay it back out of his first
paycheck, but my family went out of our way to patronize that jewelry
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>     You kick ass.
>  John

Thanks.

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bonniev wrote:

> >Do you own a blue denim jumper?  Just curious.
>
> No, but I own a blue denim, sleeveless, unbutton all the way down the
> front, knee length dress.

Couldn't it serve as a jumper?  Or are the armholes too small?

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I sympathize with your situation, Sandra.  Aging parents can be a huge,
gut-wrenching problem.

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sandra wrote:

> I netflixed DICK, DICK TRACY and watched SPIDERMAN. DICK was easily the best

Speaking of Netflix -- my cleaning out of the storage building yesterday
had various Alyce moments.  First of all, I carefully saved the box she
had mailed my gift in.  I don't save very many boxes since I know where
I can get boxes of any size almost any day (near the elevator in the
basement of my office building).  But when that gift arrived, I just
couldn't throw the box away.  So I put it in the storage building.  Ok,
so I put the box in an appropriate area yesterday to save forever.  An
hour or so later I saw a box that said something about Netflix on it.  I
thought, "My goodness!  This is an Alyce box!"  Then I realized that it
was the box my (Wmart special) dvd player had come in.  I'm not sure why
it was out there.  I did toss it.

I need to try the dvd player again sometime.  I've tried it just once.

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sandra wrote:

> My parents did the same....we were told, as we were growing up, that if we
> went to college, they'd pay. Otherwise, we'd need to find jobs and if we
> wanted to live at home we'd pay rent. It wasn't presented as a threat or
> enticement. It was presented as The Way Things Are.

There was never any discussion in my house of "if we went to college."
It was just what you did after high school.  It never occurred to me
that anybody did anything else.  I didn't realize until later that there
were people who didn't go to college.  Nobody in my high school didn't
go to college.  As I think I've said before, I realized when talking to
friends in college that, even though my high school was wonderful, was
famous in the state for the achievements of its students, and was a high
school I will always appreciate, that I missed out on the kind of
perspectives my college friends from smaller towns gained in their
school years -- towns where all the (white, of course) students in town
went to the same high school.  That included people who didn't go to
college at all.  North Jackson didn't expose me to such people.  And I
think that was a lack.

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Phyllis Shaw wrote:
>
> Hi, Natalie.
> Its called "The Others" and its has a very interesting twist to it.
> You probably would be very intrigued.
> pj

Well, blow me down!!  (Speaking of my parents, that was one of Daddy's
favorite expressions.)  What have you been doing all these years, pj??
Thanks for the answer re "The Others," but that is far from the most
interesting thing about your posting.  What's interesting is that you
have reappeared.  It's true -- real Wordslers never go away forever.

So how is Arkansas?  Did you and the people at the hospital in Chiang
Mai ever communicate?  What's happening in your life?

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My Mother's Day present:

http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Dan Lester wrote:

> NM> I, otoh, starting wondering when Verdant is going to return to us.
>
> Me too.  I see her/their books in the store any time I drop in in, but
> haven't heard from her in ages.  Of course I've not been on here in
> ages, either.  But I'll be around for awhile.

She hasn't abandoned us.  She takes breaks from list life from time to
time.  She checked in not all that long ago to say that she's still on a
break but will return.  Re "their" -- she and Jay are no longer a
<couple>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> My Mother's Day present:
>
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html

Neat!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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5/10/2003, 11:17 AM, Larry Clark wrote:

LC> Information
LC> pertaining solely to the age of the individual is not, in itself, considered
LC> relevant, nor will DMV reexamine a driver solely on the basis of his or her
LC> age.

   Although in Idaho you can not do a mail-order renewal after 65.
   i.e. if you're under sixtyfive, you can renew by mail after four
   years, and they jsut send a sticker to go on back of you license.
   So you show up only every eight if you're smart.  After 65 you have
   to show up for vision test at least.  Rest of the "we can examine
   when necessary" is of course true.

--

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> > No, but I own a blue denim, sleeveless, unbutton all the way down the
> > front, knee length dress.
>
>Couldn't it serve as a jumper?  Or are the armholes too small?
>  -- Natalie

I guess you would have to be the judge of that.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > No, but I own a blue denim, sleeveless, unbutton all the way down the
> > > front, knee length dress.
> >
> >Couldn't it serve as a jumper?  Or are the armholes too small?
> >  -- Natalie
>
> I guess you would have to be the judge of that.

? If the armholes are large enough to accommodate a sleeved garment
under it, then it would do as a jumper.  If they aren't, then it
wouldn't.  I don't see anything that requires major <judging>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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What, the electro-box?  SHK

> What kind?  I finally saw one of the tiny looking hearses made by Honda.

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Isn't that a side out?  SHK

>     And countless statuary of the "Dear Leader Hailing A Cab" school.

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Not that it's worth distinguishing between the looks of automobiles--there
hasn't been one which looked halfway elegant except maybe Bentleys--but
the Honda Element may be understood as the "Windows XP" of vehicles. Big
plain friendly shapes, clean lines, childlike composition, etc. If you
remember the couple who was selling all their stuff on ebay--were it not
for a sad accident of history, they would be buying this right now--because
it's so CUTE.

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Yeh, the world's gone to h**l.  SHK

> I was amused that the LOC has forgotten how to spell "repechage."

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I just spent the better part of the day at a racetrack.  No horses, though
- just betting on races you could watch over tv screens.

It was boring as hell.  I'd rather wait all day in an airport.

The track was clean and beautiful, though, an oval mile of rich tan track
around a huge lawn with pools and fountains.

The people looked insane, gathered around yelling at and shaking their
fists at tv's.

I accompanied an old friend who is a betting pro - he lives (not richly
though)  on the money he makes at the track.  So I came out with more
money than I came in with.  Some people looked like they were having fun
but most of them looked pissed as hell.  There were a lot of old people.

I'm never going there again, well maybe if there are horses . . .

Ann

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I don't want to pressure Jeff to post since I know this is a very busy
and stressful time for him.  I don't want him to think of Words-L as a
burden since I want very much for him to remain with us.  Nevertheless,
I want to say that I miss his postings very much.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>? If the armholes are large enough to accommodate a sleeved garment
>under it, then it would do as a jumper.  If they aren't, then it
>wouldn't.  I don't see anything that requires major <judging>.
>  -- Natalie

How large would the armholes have to be to be considered whorish? or
slutish?   They are definitely large enough to wear a sleeved garment
underneath.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>> ? If the armholes are large enough to accommodate a sleeved garment
>> under it, then it would do as a jumper.  If they aren't, then it
>> wouldn't.  I don't see anything that requires major <judging>.
>>  -- Natalie
>
>
> How large would the armholes have to be to be considered whorish? or
> slutish?   They are definitely large enough to wear a sleeved garment
> underneath.


        It's whorish if the sides of your boobs sort of bulge out the
armhole.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>How large would the armholes have to be to be considered whorish? or
>>slutish?   They are definitely large enough to wear a sleeved garment
>>underneath.
>
>        It's whorish if the sides of your boobs sort of bulge out the
>armhole.     --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Do they have to do that on their own?  Or do you have to sort of push them
through?


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >? If the armholes are large enough to accommodate a sleeved garment
> >under it, then it would do as a jumper.  If they aren't, then it
> >wouldn't.  I don't see anything that requires major <judging>.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> How large would the armholes have to be to be considered whorish? or
> slutish?   They are definitely large enough to wear a sleeved garment
> underneath.

I've never thought of armhole sizes as being whorish in and of
themselves. The question was what constitutes a jumper.  A jumper has to
have armholes large enough to accommodate the sleeves of whatever is
being worn under the jumper.  That's what a jumper means to me -- a
dress with wide armholes that you wear a blouse under.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

>>> How large would the armholes have to be to be considered whorish? or
>>> slutish?   They are definitely large enough to wear a sleeved garment
>>> underneath.
>>
>>
>>        It's whorish if the sides of your boobs sort of bulge out the
>> armhole.     --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Do they have to do that on their own?  Or do you have to sort of push them
> through?


        Well, I don't know.  I guess it depends on the length and
breadth of your boobage.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev wrote:

> >        It's whorish if the sides of your boobs sort of bulge out the
> >armhole.     --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> Do they have to do that on their own?  Or do you have to sort of push them
> through?

I'm trying to imagine somebody pushing boobs through armholes.  Seems a
bit weird to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Skrev Bonnie:
> go to MIT and his son to Drew.

His son went to Drew? Which years? *I* went to Drew and positively adored
it. I'm going back there at the end of the month for my sort-of 10th
reunion.

--Adam
admah1@attbi.com

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> >> >You are not so old that I can't give you a good correctional paddling.
> >>
> >> Any idea why the phrase, "who's your daddy?", comes to my mind
> right now?
>
> NM> I, otoh, starting wondering when Verdant is going to return to us.
>
> Me too.  I see her/their books in the store any time I drop in in, but
> haven't heard from her in ages.  Of course I've not been on here in
> ages, either.  But I'll be around for awhile.
>
> dan

She told me backchannel that she's not feeling very sociable at the moment,
but she wants to participate in whatever memorial we make to Alyce. I told
her nothing had really been firmed up yet.

Speaking of which, where's Jeff?

--Adam

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We were win # 298 for Roger Clemmons.

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At 08:30 PM 5/10/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>We were win # 298 for Roger Clemmons.

Now I see he is on TV watching the Dallas/Sacramento basketball game!

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Go Girl!
pj


At 06:26 PM 5/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>My Mother's Day present:
>
>http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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Adam sent a message to the "silent" wordslers about Alyce.  I realized how
much I'd missed Words-L.   Yup, Wordslers never go far away.

Arkansas is fine - well - better than Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri at the
moment.   Knock on wood and hope that not only do tornadoes stay away from
here, but that they stop battering our neighbors too.

Work is great.  My job got split and I'm doing the work of 1 3/4 now
instead of 3 1/2 folks.  Makes a big difference in being able to have time
for a life. :-)   And, no.  I didn't ever manage to connect with anyone in
Chiang Mai, but I haven't given up trying.

I have one daughter about to start college and the other to start junior high.

I still have (and wear) my Goat Roast t-shirt.
pj

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5/10/2003, 8:09 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

RC>         Well, I don't know.  I guess it depends on the length and
RC> breadth of your boobage.

I have a friend who has lost over a hundred pounds with the assistance
of a Lap-Band.  She says she changed from a 50DDD to a 38Long.

--

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Has anyone had their mortgage payments increase dramatically--like by
1/3?

Karen

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Uh noooo....but I've never had other than a fixed rate mortgage,
either.

dan

5/10/2003, 10:19 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Has anyone had their mortgage payments increase dramatically--like by
KK> 1/3?

KK> Karen


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>Skrev Bonnie:
> > go to MIT and his son to Drew.
>
>His son went to Drew? Which years? *I* went to Drew and positively adored
>it. I'm going back there at the end of the month for my sort-of 10th
>reunion.      --Adam

The same years you did.  We've talked about this before.  Chris Vitek.


    --bonniev

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>Has anyone had their mortgage payments increase dramatically--like by
>1/3?           --Karen

No.  Have you?  Why would that happen?


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 10, 2003, 11:25:00 PM, Dan Lester wrote:
> Uh noooo....but I've never had other than a fixed rate mortgage,
> either.

Neither have I.:-/

Karen

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5/10/2003, 10:32 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Saturday, May 10, 2003, 11:25:00 PM, Dan Lester wrote:
>> Uh noooo....but I've never had other than a fixed rate mortgage,
>> either.

KK> Neither have I.:-/

Well, assuming it is the usual PITI, and the PI are fixed, then there
must be a big change in what they're escrowing for taxes and
insurance. What did your last annual escrow report show?  It should
have shown if/why they were short and what they were doing to adjust
it.  Also, if your state/city has announced a big change, they could
go ahead and adjust in anticipation.  But they should notify you.

dan

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I'm leaving in the morning to spend the day with my folks and then head to
Sacramento for the Alzheimer's Workshop. I'm going NoMail til I return.

Happy Mother's Day!

Sandra

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17:20 09.05.2003 -0500 skrev Doris Markland:
>Espen, we don't have exotic mushrooms
>in these parts, just these simple morels,
>and yet they are treasured and people
>hide the secret information about their
>locations.  I can't imagine stumbling upon
>some of the mushrooms you find.  What
>a thrill.

This sounds like deep irony. I have never found <real> morels here in Norway. I have found what we call sand-morels (gyromitra) but they are considered poisonous even when they have been dried. But of course they have also been eaten and sold, and there are stories about cooks becoming ill from the mushrooms drying in the kitchen. But I take it that you are talking about morchella and not gyromitra.

Espen

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On Sat, 10 May 2003, Phyllis Shaw wrote:

>Arkansas is fine - well - better than Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri at the
>moment.   Knock on wood and hope that not only do tornadoes stay away from
>here, but that they stop battering our neighbors too.

Where in Arkansas? Fayetteville? (Should I already know that?)

Bethany

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> but she wants to participate in whatever memorial we make to Alyce. I told
> her nothing had really been firmed up yet.

I thought we were doing it individually.  Are we also going to do
something communally?

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Phyllis Shaw wrote:
>
> Adam sent a message to the "silent" wordslers about Alyce.  I realized how
> much I'd missed Words-L.   Yup, Wordslers never go far away.

Your digests are still online, making you clearly a forever Wordsler.

> I have one daughter about to start college and the other to start junior high.

Tempus fugit.  Remember when Giggles visited you when taking his son to
visit graduate schools?  They visited me right after that.  Somewhere I
still have the picture of Giggles in my living room and of his Miata in
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Karen Kay wrote:
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> Has anyone had their mortgage payments increase dramatically--like by
> 1/3?

Is yours not a fixed-rate mortgage?  But even so, it wouldn't make any
sense for interest to increase right now.  How could this happen?

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Dan Lester wrote:

> must be a big change in what they're escrowing for taxes and
> insurance. What did your last annual escrow report show?  It should

Ah so.  That has got to be it.  I didn't think about that since I
normally don't involve taxes and insurance with a mortgage -- I prefer
paying them myself.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Where in Arkansas? Fayetteville? (Should I already know that?)

Yes, Fayetteville.  And no, pj had gone AWOL long before you arrived on
the list.

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At 08:10 PM 5/10/2003 -0500, Stephen H Karlson wrote:
>Yeh, the world's gone to h**l.  SHK
>
> > I was amused that the LOC has forgotten how to spell "repechage."

To understand my amusement, you would have to have experience with the
Philadelphia rowing crowd.  Their attitude can be summed up:  "On the
eighth Day, God created rowing; on the ninth day, He created Philadelphia,
that there would be a place to do it."

cwv

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Dan Lester wrote:
>
>
>>must be a big change in what they're escrowing for taxes and
>>insurance. What did your last annual escrow report show?  It should
>>
>
> Ah so.  That has got to be it.  I didn't think about that since I
> normally don't involve taxes and insurance with a mortgage -- I prefer
> paying them myself.


        I think ours went up a couple hundred due to escrow stuff at
one point when the county raised taxes.  Then we refinanced
and dumped the PMI, so it went back down again -- but it is
of course on the rise once more.



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Sunday, May 11, 2003, 8:35:35 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I think ours went up a couple hundred due to escrow stuff at
> one point when the county raised taxes.  Then we refinanced
> and dumped the PMI, so it went back down again -- but it is
> of course on the rise once more.

Thanks.

Karen

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Saturday, May 10, 2003, 11:34:10 PM, Dan Lester wrote:
> Well, assuming it is the usual PITI, and the PI are fixed, then there
> must be a big change in what they're escrowing for taxes and
> insurance.

Yes. But not that much.

> Also, if your state/city has announced a big change, they could
> go ahead and adjust in anticipation.

The only announcement the city has announced is down.

I've decided that I'm going to invoke Natalie's Rule: I no longer want
to talk about it. I just wanted to know if anyone else has seen such a
precipitous increase, and the answer seems to be no.

Karen

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Karen:

>I've decided that I'm going to invoke Natalie's Rule: I no longer want
>to talk about it.

Why is this Natalie's Rule?

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Karen:
>
> >I've decided that I'm going to invoke Natalie's Rule: I no longer want
> >to talk about it.
>
> Why is this Natalie's Rule?

I assumed it was a reference to my having said on a couple of occasions
that Wordslers are good about respecting somebody's saying that he/she
doesn't want to talk about a particular topic --  that we don't keep
asking somebody questions about such a topic.  That doesn't mean that we
might not launch into a discussion of mortages and such, unrelated to
Karen's particular case.

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That sounds like the end condition on a variable-rate mortgage.  Details,
details.  But interest rates have been pretty low and falling, which makes
something like that kicking in seem unlikely.

Something to be said for boring old fixed-rates and sticking one or two
extra principal payments along with each scheduled payment.

> Has anyone had their mortgage payments increase dramatically--like by
> 1/3?

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That's a scene I've viewed only from a passing train.  On the other hand,
for two academic years I lived on the lake shore a long Ron Dayne run from
the boathouse.  Wisconsin where they row.  SHK

ps ... the most recent challenger trials for the America's Cup, now
residing at the other Lake Geneva Yacht Club, specified some repechage
matches.  Cumbersome form of double elimination, I say.

> At 08:10 PM 5/10/2003 -0500, Stephen H Karlson wrote:
> >Yeh, the world's gone to h**l.  SHK
> >
> > > I was amused that the LOC has forgotten how to spell "repechage."
>
> To understand my amusement, you would have to have experience with the
> Philadelphia rowing crowd.  Their attitude can be summed up:  "On the
> eighth Day, God created rowing; on the ninth day, He created Philadelphia,
> that there would be a place to do it."
>
> cwv
>

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Rashmi Murthy:
= Karen:
=
= >I've decided that I'm going to invoke Natalie's Rule: I no longer want
= >to talk about it.
=
= Why is this Natalie's Rule?
=

I was going to ask this, but then I thought, "who cares?"

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Sunday, May 11, 2003, 9:53:36 AM, Stephen H Karlson wrote:
> Something to be said for boring old fixed-rates

Which is what I have.

> and sticking one or two
> extra principal payments along with each scheduled payment.

Yeah, there's something to be said for having an income, too.

Karen

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Right here in today's weekly newspaper column by an extension person:
"Southern magnolia trees are starting their spring fall.  This tree is
unusual because its new leaves emerge from the same location as the old
leaves.  The new leaf essentially pushes the old leaf from the limb.
The old leaf gradually loses its green color and falls to the ground."
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I almost forgot.  Don't let me forget at 7:00!

Meanwhile, I'm going to a play this afternoon that is said to be quite
hilarious -- "The Complete History of America (Abridged)":
http://www.library.msstate.edu/sct/p02complete.html

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At 09:58 AM 5/11/2003 -0500, Stephen H Karlson wrote:
>That's a scene I've viewed only from a passing train.  On the other hand,
>for two academic years I lived on the lake shore a long Ron Dayne run from
>the boathouse.  Wisconsin where they row.  SHK

Speaking of which, Wisconsin and Harvard are expected to fight for the
championship of the Eastern Sprints today on Lake Quinsigamond, Worcester,
MA.  Harvard is ranked second in the country, Wisco third.

cwv

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At 05:25 PM 5/11/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>I was going to ask this, but then I thought, "who cares?"

...that is Voigtlander's rule.

cwv

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Rita Chapman writes,

>        It's whorish if the sides of your boobs sort of bulge out the
>armhole.

Hmm, last time we talked about jumpers we had the term "side
cleavage."  But this is different, right?

Pete

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Neat solitaire game:

http://tinyurl.com/bhwv

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thanks for the news.  I saw Harvard beat Wisconsin at South Shore Park in
Milwaukee, this would be the summer of 1974.  You'd need outriggers and
sou'westers on Lake Mendota today, and don't even think about going scow
sailing.  SHK

> >That's a scene I've viewed only from a passing train.  On the other hand,
> >for two academic years I lived on the lake shore a long Ron Dayne run from
> >the boathouse.  Wisconsin where they row.  SHK
>
> Speaking of which, Wisconsin and Harvard are expected to fight for the
> championship of the Eastern Sprints today on Lake Quinsigamond, Worcester,
> MA.  Harvard is ranked second in the country, Wisco third.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Rita Chapman writes,
>
>>        It's whorish if the sides of your boobs sort of bulge out the
>> armhole.
>
>
> Hmm, last time we talked about jumpers we had the term "side
> cleavage."  But this is different, right?


        I think about the same.  It's the only thing I can think of
that I've seen wrt actual whores that would apply to a
jumper.  And yes, I've met many Real Live Whores.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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-rashmi:
>That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries)
>s'posed to be good for investors.

<SHK>
Uh...  Isn't that comparative advantage,
or creative destruction, or something?
</SHK>

--
a. "peter comma schum" smiff

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Natalie:
>Have we discussed before why it is that
>magnolia trees drop their leaves in spring
>rather than in fall?

A linguistic/horticultural spanking
from Joe Harwood has forever changed
me from saying that live oak leaves
"fall" off.

They "spring" off.

--
Ben Ostrowsky's Dad

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Betty:
> That is one talent that I have always
> envied.  I wish I could sing.

What makes you think you can't?

--
...or is this a bettyism that overheaded me?

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Natalie Maynor:
= Neat solitaire game:
=
= http://tinyurl.com/bhwv
=

either the print is too small or too big to figure it out.

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Low wages == low productivity.  SHK (the real one)

> -rashmi:
> >That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries)
> >s'posed to be good for investors.
>
> <SHK>
> Uh...  Isn't that comparative advantage,
> or creative destruction, or something?
> </SHK>

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On Sun, 11 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>> Where in Arkansas? Fayetteville? (Should I already know that?)
>
>Yes, Fayetteville.  And no, pj had gone AWOL long before you arrived on
>the list.

Then, hello homegirl!

Bethany

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5/11/2003, 7:23 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> must be a big change in what they're escrowing for taxes and
>> insurance. What did your last annual escrow report show?  It should

NM> Ah so.  That has got to be it.  I didn't think about that since I
NM> normally don't involve taxes and insurance with a mortgage -- I prefer
NM> paying them myself.

     We do the same, but many mortgage holders require PITI, since
     that gives them assurance the insurance is being paid, and also
     makes sure no tax leins build up, since those take precedence
     over the mortgage.  Just a way of them being sure they're
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steph wrote:

> = http://tinyurl.com/bhwv
> =
> either the print is too small or too big to figure it out.

Hmm.  I played several games of it without trouble.  I didn't try to
read all the writing on the cards.  I just played the game and found it
worked well.

The play was funny.  I'm not usually a fan of slapstick but found myself
laughing out loud in places.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> steph wrote:
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> > = http://tinyurl.com/bhwv
> > =
> > either the print is too small or too big to figure it out.
>
> Hmm.  I played several games of it without trouble.  I didn't try to
> read all the writing on the cards.  I just played the game and found it
> worked well.

Score one for Netscape.  I played in IE earlier and found the card print
too little.  In reading the above reply, I clicked on the url, which
took me to it via Netscape, where the card texts are easily readable.

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> This sounds like deep irony. I have never found <real> morels here in
Norway. I have found what we call sand-morels (gyromitra) but they are
considered poisonous even when they have been dried. But of course they
have also been eaten and sold, and there are stories about cooks
becoming ill from the mushrooms drying in the kitchen. But I take it
that you are talking about morchella and not gyromitra.
>
> Espen



http://www.burt.unl.edu/newsitems/morels2

            - D. M.

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Square Books is an excellent choice -- an outstanding bookstore from
everything I know about it.  I vote yes to that idea.

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I want to give a graduating high school senior, who's going to U. Miss.
this fall, a gift certificate to a bookstore in Oxford.  I think I don't
want to choose whatever is the University book store - I think I want to
choose a less generic and more peculiar store.

This freshman-to-be is a would-be literary type.  How about Square Books?
Or, I'm not opposed to giving a gift certificate for a store that has both
textbooks -and- a rich stock of other books.  He won't have much money and
is there on scholarship.

Ann

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Twenty minutes until "Survivor"!

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DEAR FRIEND,

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OF CONGO (DRC). I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER,
THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT
CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION.

I ESCAPED ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO OF OUR SONS
KONGOLO AND NZANGA OUT OF DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF
CONGO (DRC) TO ABIDJAN, COTE D'IVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY
AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO SETTLED IN
MORROCO WHERE MY HUSBAND LATER DIED OF CANCER
DISEASE. HOWEVER DUE TO THIS SITUATION WE DECIDED TO
CHANGED MOST OF MY HUSBAND'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANK AND OTHER COUNTRIES INTO OTHER

FORMS OF MONEY CODED FOR SAFE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE NEW

HEAD OF STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADE
ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'S
TREASURES DEPOSITED IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE

MY CHILDREN AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO
STUDY THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER,
LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND THE SON
TAKING OVER (JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY LATE HUSBAND'S
CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE WAS CONFISCATED BY THE
FRENCH GOVERNMENT, AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY
IDENTITY SO THAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND

CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF EIHGTEEN
MLLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS(US$18,000,000,00.) WITH A


SECURITY COMPANY , FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE
SECURITY CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING THE
CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO INDICATE YOUR
INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST US BY RECEIVING THE
MONEY ON OUR BEHALF.ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE, SO THAT
I CAN INTRODUCE YOU TO MY SON (KONGOLO) WHO HAS THE
OUT MODALITIES FOR THE CLAIM OF THE SAID FUNDS. I WANT

YOU TO ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, BUT I WILL NOT
WANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED. I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY
PROPERTIES AND STOCK IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND
TO ENGAGE IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE
INVESTMENTS. MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASISE THE HIGH
LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS
DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND
CONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU. IN CONCLUSION, IF
YOU WANT TO ASSIST US , MY SON SHALL PUT YOU IN THE
PICTURE OF THE BUSINESS, TELL YOU WHERE THE FUNDS ARE

CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED AND ALSO DISCUSS OTHER
MODALITIES INCLUDING REMUNERATION FOR YOUR SERVICES.

FOR THIS REASON KINDLY FURNISH US YOUR CONTACT
INFORMATION, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX
NUMBER FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE AND ACKNOWLEDGE
RECEIPT OF THIS MAIL USING THE ABOVE EMAIL ADDRESS.

BEST REGARDS,

MRS M. SESE SEKO

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Hi, Bethany.   Actually, I've gone nomail several times and I came back one
time about the time you arrived.   We had several good discussions.   Yes,
you remember correctly.  Fayetteville.

Giggles & Son.   That was an interesting visit - for both of us, wasn't it,
Natalie?   Whatever happened with the grad school search?  If I knew what
was finally decided, I don't remember it.  I've wanted a Miata ever since
then too.  :-).   Someday.....

I've just been trying to remember when I first joined the list.   Sometime
in the early 90's, I suppose.

pj

"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
 > Where in Arkansas? Fayetteville? (Should I already know that?)
Yes, Fayetteville. And no, pj had gone AWOL long before you arrived on
the list.
--
-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


At 08:20 AM 5/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tempus fugit.  Remember when Giggles visited you when taking his son to
>visit graduate schools?  They visited me right after that.  Somewhere I
>still have the picture of Giggles in my living room and of his Miata in
>my driveway.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> The same years you did.  We've talked about this before.  Chris Vitek.

Oh! Right; I'd forgotten. Maybe I'll run into him at the reunion.

--Adam
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> I thought we were doing it individually.  Are we also going to do
> something communally?

I don't know...I guess I should write back and give her more particulars.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Sun, 11 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > I thought we were doing it individually.  Are we also going to do
> > something communally?
>
> I don't know...I guess I should write back and give her more particulars.
>
Might she have meant the memorial service in July?
clo

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I am of course showing restraint in not saying anything about how
Survivor turned out tonight.  I watched the followup for a while -- the
"reunion" thing.  And I can say some things about that that won't give
anything away about who won tonight.  Jeff kept talking about how the
"younger and prettier" females did this and that.  Younger is clear and
easy.  But prettier?  How could somebody think that Heidi is prettier
than some of the older ones?  If listing them in order of prettiness,
I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, May 11, 2003, 9:56:14 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I am of course showing restraint in not saying anything about how
> Survivor turned out tonight.  I watched the followup for a while -- the
> "reunion" thing.  And I can say some things about that that won't give
> anything away about who won tonight.  Jeff kept talking about how the
> "younger and prettier" females did this and that.  Younger is clear and
> easy.  But prettier?  How could somebody think that Heidi is prettier
> than some of the older ones?  If listing them in order of prettiness,
> I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?

Yes.

Karen

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Phyllis Shaw wrote:

> Giggles & Son.   That was an interesting visit - for both of us, wasn't it,
> Natalie?   Whatever happened with the grad school search?  If I knew what
> was finally decided, I don't remember it.  I've wanted a Miata ever since
> then too.  :-).   Someday.....

My poor, old brain is suddenly blanking on the answer to where Aaron(?)
decided to go to grad school.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > easy.  But prettier?  How could somebody think that Heidi is prettier
> > than some of the older ones?  If listing them in order of prettiness,
> > I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?
>
> Yes.

You think Heidi is prettier than people like Jean(?)?  I think it's
Jean.  She was one of the older ones voted off fairly early.  I find
that amazing.  I don't think anybody on the show was <ugly>.  I think
part of the picking of them is to make the show <look pretty>.  But if I
had to choose the <ugliest>, I would definitely pick Heidi.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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>If listing them in order of prettiness,
>I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?
>  -- Natalie

She looked quite nice on the reunion show, actually.   She admitted that
she looked awful after she lost 18 pounds.  It came out on the reunion show
that she had one of the three highest IQs of the contestants.  Jeff asked
her how come it didn't show!!  She said she played it down so people
wouldn't hate her.  Uh huh.

Next Fall:  Survivor Panama.   It will be on the chain of islands off the
coast of Panama.  Each tribe will be stranded on a separate island.  It
will begin during the migration of the humpback whales.


    --bonniev

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Anybody else watch? Cool. No, I suppose the other tv watchers watched what
I cannot endure, "Survivor" or whatever it's called. WT concludes next
Sunday night.

Bethany

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Thanks, Natalie. Berta and I have been tres busy since she arrived
yesterday, and I haven't sat at the computer for more than a couple of
minutes. She's spent hours getting hundreds of articles of clothing ready
for a church to pick up tomorrow, while I've been tackling the
basement--carrying hundreds of pounds of junk to the dumpster--and picking
up several dead rats...yuck. There will be no shortage of work for Doug
when he arrives next Saturday. I'm just hoping to maximize the three full
days I have left here.

Take care,
Jeff

At 09:54 PM 5/10/2003, you wrote:
>I don't want to pressure Jeff to post since I know this is a very busy
>and stressful time for him.  I don't want him to think of Words-L as a
>burden since I want very much for him to remain with us.  Nevertheless,
>I want to say that I miss his postings very much.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, May 11, 2003, 10:40:07 PM, Jeff Rankin wrote:
> Berta and I have been tres busy since she arrived yesterday, and I
> haven't sat at the computer for more than a couple of minutes.

Understandable. I'm glad Berta's there and you're not doing it alone.

> She's spent hours getting hundreds of articles of clothing ready
> for a church to pick up tomorrow, while I've been tackling the
> basement--carrying hundreds of pounds of junk to the dumpster--and picking
> up several dead rats...yuck.

Indeed! I've been told that shovels are useful in such situations.

> There will be no shortage of work for Doug when he arrives next
> Saturday. I'm just hoping to maximize the three full days I have
> left here.

I hope you continue to post after you go back home. Tell Doug to post
while he's there, if he gets bored.

Thank you for the package, Jeff--I got it yesterday.

Karen

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On Sunday, May 11, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> You think Heidi is prettier than people like Jean(?)?

The lawyer? Yes. Do I like her more? No. Do guys like her more? Yes.

Karen

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At 01:32 PM 5/11/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>Betty:
> > That is one talent that I have always
> > envied.  I wish I could sing.
>
>What makes you think you can't?

Well, there is singing and then there is singing. You don't want to listen
to me sing.

Betty

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Sunday, May 11, 2003, 11:45:25 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 01:32 PM 5/11/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>Betty:
>> > That is one talent that I have always
>> > envied.  I wish I could sing.
>>
>>What makes you think you can't?

> Well, there is singing and then there is singing. You don't want to listen
> to me sing.

Nor Nancy Harwood.

Karen

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At 10:56 PM 5/11/2003, you wrote:
>I am of course showing restraint in not saying anything about how
>Survivor turned out tonight.  I watched the followup for a while -- the
>"reunion" thing.  And I can say some things about that that won't give
>anything away about who won tonight.  Jeff kept talking about how the
>"younger and prettier" females did this and that.  Younger is clear and
>easy.  But prettier?  How could somebody think that Heidi is prettier
>than some of the older ones?  If listing them in order of prettiness,
>I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

I concur with Natalie's assessment of Heidi. I find her kind of creepy--and
what was going on with that hair? It looked like someone had put a bunch of
hair extensions on her--all of different lengths. I find it interesting
that she had one of the highest IQs of all of the contestants...it was not
readily apparent in any of the episodes. Jenna, on the other hand, I think
is truly beautiful. The test in my eyes is that she looks better without
makeup than with. Of all the series, I found her and Amber Brkich to be the
most attractive. Still, they've had some very attractive middle-aged women
over the years, and they've generally been more appealing than the young
bimbos.

Now that this series is over, I have to say this was my least favorite.
There were no truly compelling characters. Christy probably came the
closest. The fire was the only real disaster, and it came too late to have
much of an effect. I thought tonight's live show was really lame,
especially the stupid clips of Jeff traveling to New York with the ballots.
I admit, though, they did an amazing job building the set in one day in
Letterman's studio. I can't imagine what it must have cost. Seems like a
royal waste of money, but they must have felt they had to pull out the
stops to make the finale live up to its billing.

When Survivor premiered, I was not impressed with the choice of Jeff Probst
as host, but he's really grown into the role, and I think he is one of the
reasons the show has endured. He is constantly engaged with and interested
in the characters and brings a genuine sense of energy and enthusiasm to
even boring challenges and tribal councils. It's now impossible for me to
imagine anyone else in that role. It would be as jarring as Meredith Viera
hosting "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire."

I'd really like to see the long-promised series of "Suvivor Alaska," but
because there would be no opportunity to show young girls in bikinis, it
will probably never happen. As much as I hate to admit it, Survivor may
have run its course, but let's hope they can find some good characters for
"Panama" and keep this guilty pleasure going.

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In a message dated 05/11/2003 10:14:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
Anybody else watch? Cool. No, I suppose the other tv watchers watched what
I cannot endure, "Survivor" or whatever it's called.
>>

No, I watched "Charmed," as I do every Sunday night.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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Natalie Maynor:
= Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >
= > steph wrote:
= >
= > > = http://tinyurl.com/bhwv
= > > =
= > > either the print is too small or too big to figure it out.
= >
= > Hmm.  I played several games of it without trouble.  I didn't try to
= > read all the writing on the cards.  I just played the game and found it
= > worked well.
=
= Score one for Netscape.  I played in IE earlier and found the card print
= too little.  In reading the above reply, I clicked on the url, which
= took me to it via Netscape, where the card texts are easily readable.
=

Actually, this was in Mozilla.  So for all intents and purposes,
Netscape.

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= Anybody else watch? Cool. No, I suppose the other tv watchers watched what
= I cannot endure, "Survivor" or whatever it's called. WT concludes next
= Sunday night.
=
= Bethany

White Teeth, as in like the book of the same name?  The book was
a fun romp.

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> No, I watched "Charmed," as I do every Sunday night.

Big mistake killing Leo off. I might boycott the show.

-aht

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> My poor, old brain is suddenly blanking on the answer to where Aaron(?)
> decided to go to grad school.

I'm thinking maybe it was somewhere like UGA or USC.  Somehow I'm
picturing him as living due (more or less due) south of Raleigh when
Giggles died.  But then that was a number of years later.  He was
probably no longer in school then.  And I don't know why I'm thinking he
was in that direction.  A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> I concur with Natalie's assessment of Heidi. I find her kind of creepy--and
> what was going on with that hair? It looked like someone had put a bunch of
> hair extensions on her--all of different lengths.

I didn't notice the different lengths or anything in particular about
her hair really -- just that there was so much of it that it overwhelmed
her <person> and looked ridiculous.

> Now that this series is over, I have to say this was my least favorite.
> There were no truly compelling characters. Christy probably came the
> closest. The fire was the only real disaster, and it came too late to have
> much of an effect. I thought tonight's live show was really lame,

I still like the first Survivor the best, probably because it was
first.  But I liked this one better than some of them, I think.  I
thought several of the characters were pretty interesting.  Matt, for
one.  Why, btw, did Jenna say something about Matt's not needing the
money?  I remember several Survivors ago when they kicked off a doctor
who had mentioned his Porshe or some such, but I didn't notice anything
about Matt and money.

> especially the stupid clips of Jeff traveling to New York with the ballots.

Oh yes.  I found that a bit much.  When he first got into the boat, I
kept wondering what would happen if the jar of ballots fell into the
water and got lost.  But when the boat was suddenly approaching NYC, I
got more into pondering the silliness and didn't worry about the
ballots.

> I'd really like to see the long-promised series of "Suvivor Alaska," but
> because there would be no opportunity to show young girls in bikinis, it
> will probably never happen. As much as I hate to admit it, Survivor may
> have run its course, but let's hope they can find some good characters for
> "Panama" and keep this guilty pleasure going.

I think Alaska would be a great idea.  The settings are too much alike.
Maybe it's the bikini thing, but I really do think they need a new kind
of environment.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > You think Heidi is prettier than people like Jean(?)?
>
> The lawyer? Yes. Do I like her more? No. Do guys like her more? Yes.

No, I wasn't talking about Deena, the lawyer.  I was talking about one
of the earlier ones to be voted out -- the woman who was a hard worker
and was much prettier than Heidi, imho.  I was thinking her name was
Jean, but I'm not sure.  As for Deena, she certainly doesn't have
classic <good looks>, but I would put her slightly ahead of Heidi in
looks.  I started thinking about this during the reunion thing last
night because of Jeff's mention of "younger and prettier."  That's when
I decided that I would rank Heidi dead last.

Matt sure looked different at the reunion, didn't he.  I don't know that
I would have recognized him.

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In a message dated 05/12/2003 6:36:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
Big mistake killing Leo off. I might boycott the show.

>>

Yeah, Leo was the stabilizing influence in their lives.
I always liked Cole better, but I don't miss him on the
show.  I am going to miss Leo, though.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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steph wrote:

> = Score one for Netscape.  I played in IE earlier and found the card print
> = too little.  In reading the above reply, I clicked on the url, which
> = took me to it via Netscape, where the card texts are easily readable.
>
> Actually, this was in Mozilla.  So for all intents and purposes,
> Netscape.

Interesting.  I first went to that site with IE and found that the print
on the cards was too little unless I zoomed it, which made the cards too
big to play the game.  I went on and played it, not needing to read the
card text, and found it to work quite well as just a Solitaire game --
iow, I didn't really care about reading the <messages>.  Then, as I said
above, I went back via Netscape since I had clicked on the repeated url
in your message, and that's when I saw that the card text was readable
while playing the game.  Maybe it has to do with my version of Netscape
(4.7) or some kind of font setting or something.

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>Why, btw, did Jenna say something about Matt's not needing the
>money?  I remember several Survivors ago when they kicked off a doctor
>who had mentioned his Porshe or some such, but I didn't notice anything
>about Matt and money.

I found this intriguing, as well. It sounded like he is already a millionaire?

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Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 06:45:29 -0500
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >If listing them in order of prettiness,
> >I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?
> >  -- Natalie
>
> She looked quite nice on the reunion show, actually.

I thought she looked like a clown at the reunion.  Too much hair.  But
what I was talking about before was basic appearance more than
hairstyles or whatever.  As I think I said last night, I don't think
"ugly" is fitting for any of the participants, but she's the one who
would come closest to that imho.  Her face.  Something about her mouth.

> Next Fall:  Survivor Panama.   It will be on the chain of islands off the
> coast of Panama.  Each tribe will be stranded on a separate island.  It
> will begin during the migration of the humpback whales.

I wish they'd start it sooner than next fall.  I like having tv to look
forward to and don't like the long blank periods between Survivors.

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Thanks for checking in, Jeff!  I can imagine that your tasks are pretty
overwhelming.  And when you get home, you'll no doubt be overwhelmed
with a backlog of stuff that builds up when out of town -- though at
least it probably won't involve dead rats.

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Since nobody has spoken up to say wait, I'll plunge on in.

(1) I'm disappointed.  I really thought that My Man Matt was going to
win it when it came down to the two of them.  I think he was much more
deserving than Jenna.  I was surprised that she won and was amazed by
the lopsidedness of the vote.

(2) Did Christy's answer in the followup show about why she decided to
vote for Jenna in the end make any sense?  It sounded goofy to me.

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On Mon, 12 May 2003, steph wrote:

>White Teeth, as in like the book of the same name?  The book was
>a fun romp.

Yes! Now I want to read the book.

Bethany

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"Grandparents Are Returning to College, to Retire" (NYTimes)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/business/yourmoney/11RETI.html

Bethany

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 1:58:08 AM, steph wrote:
> Natalie Maynor:
> = Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >>
= >> steph wrote:
= >>
= >> > = http://tinyurl.com/bhwv
= >> > =
= >> > either the print is too small or too big to figure it out.
= >>
= >> Hmm.  I played several games of it without trouble.  I didn't try to
= >> read all the writing on the cards.  I just played the game and found it
= >> worked well.
> =
> = Score one for Netscape.  I played in IE earlier and found the card print
> = too little.  In reading the above reply, I clicked on the url, which
> = took me to it via Netscape, where the card texts are easily readable.
> =

> Actually, this was in Mozilla.  So for all intents and purposes,
> Netscape.

But it wasn't the splendiferous Netscape 4.7.

Karen

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Went to our public library web site for something

this morning and read this quote featured there.

Thought it interesting.            - D. M.





"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those 

who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn,

unlearn, and relearn."  -- Alvin Toffler

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>I wish they'd start it sooner than next fall.  I like having tv to look
>forward to and don't like the long blank periods between Survivors.
>  -- Natalie

You could watch The Amazing Race which starts May 29th.  In some ways, I
like it even better than Survivor.   Not as hookey.  Changing scenery.


    --bonniev

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Went to our public library web site for something

this morning  blah blah blah


Replying to my own post, the reason I went to
the library site was to see if they had Queen
Noor's book Leap of Faith.  They do.
One copy.  One copy!  Wonder how long
I will be on a waiting list.

Anyone read it?

                           - D. M.




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>(2) Did Christy's answer in the followup show about why she decided to
>vote for Jenna in the end make any sense?  It sounded goofy to me.
>  -- Natalie

No it didn't make much sense.  Nor did Christy even seem to understand that
it was her own indecision that got her voted off.


    --bonniev

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You definitely don't want to listen to me sing.  I'm a jailbird singer -
behind a few bars and lost the key.
pj


At 09:45 PM 5/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 01:32 PM 5/11/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>Betty:
>> > That is one talent that I have always
>> > envied.  I wish I could sing.
>>
>>What makes you think you can't?
>
>Well, there is singing and then there is singing. You don't want to listen
>to me sing.
>
>Betty

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I don't think I ever had the key!

Betty

At 08:26 AM 5/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>You definitely don't want to listen to me sing.  I'm a jailbird singer -
>behind a few bars and lost the key.
>pj
>
>
>At 09:45 PM 5/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>At 01:32 PM 5/11/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>>>Betty:
>>> > That is one talent that I have always
>>> > envied.  I wish I could sing.
>>>
>>>What makes you think you can't?
>>
>>Well, there is singing and then there is singing. You don't want to listen
>>to me sing.
>>
>>Betty

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> >about Matt and money.
>
> I found this intriguing, as well. It sounded like he is already a millionaire?

What exactly is a "restaurant designer"?  That's what his occupation
is.  Is it interior decorator of restaurants with a bit of industrial
engineering thrown in?  Does it perhaps include architecture also?

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bonniev wrote:

> You could watch The Amazing Race which starts May 29th.  In some ways, I
> like it even better than Survivor.   Not as hookey.  Changing scenery.

Maybe I'll do that.  What network is it on?

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Re our earlier discussions of things like peace rallies during the war,
it was nice to see this column in yesterday's Baltimore Sun.  It's
exactly the point I've tried to make many times, but it's good to see it
written by somebody who self-identifies as "a conservative":

http://tinyurl.com/bk1i

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>bonniev wrote:
> > You could watch The Amazing Race which starts May 29th.  In some ways, I
> > like it even better than Survivor.   Not as hookey.  Changing scenery.
>
>Maybe I'll do that.  What network is it on?
>  -- Natalie

CBS Thursday nights.  Easy to replace Survivor with The Amazing
Race.  Still something to look forward to.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> CBS Thursday nights.  Easy to replace Survivor with The Amazing
> Race.  Still something to look forward to.

Neat.  Is it in the same time slot as Survivor?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>Neat.  Is it in the same time slot as Survivor?
>  -- Natalie

I'm not sure.  It might be on at 9 EDT instead of 8.


    --bonniev

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> I don't think I ever had the key!

My sister always said I have three notes and they are all between the cracks.

--
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Neat.  Is it in the same time slot as Survivor?
> >  -- Natalie
>
> I'm not sure.  It might be on at 9 EDT instead of 8.

I will check when the time draws closer.

Meanwhile, I am hosed.  Fortunately, the weather has turned unseasonably
cool, which makes hose less obnoxious.  If it were hotter, I probably
would've skipped them, but I decided to be <respectful> of Japanese
style when lunching with a visiting Japanese dignatary and his
interpreter.

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On Monday, May 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> Nor did Christy even seem to understand that
> it was her own indecision that got her voted off.

Huh? I didn't see it that way.

But I agree that I was disappointed in the outcome.

Karen

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steph:
>Bethany K. Dumas:
>= Anybody else watch? Cool. No, I suppose the other tv watchers watched
>what
>= I cannot endure, "Survivor" or whatever it's called. WT concludes next
>= Sunday night.

I watched it. My usual Sunday addiction -Alias- was on hiatus and I'm not a
Survivor
watcher. I liked it despite spotting a *huge* musical error in the
beginning.

>White Teeth, as in like the book of the same name?  The book was
>a fun romp.

I liked the book too. I read it during WordQuake in the Berkeley dorms.

Yesterday's NYT had Zadie Smith's account of her book being filmed. The
young Clara
looks a little like the author.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/arts/television/11SMIT.html

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     The curious abscence of stories by-lined Cleveland on the Case
Western shooting must mean that the shooter is either non-White,
non-Christian, or both.
    The VRWC strikes again.

JMW

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> > Nor did Christy even seem to understand that
> > it was her own indecision that got her voted off.
>
>Huh? I didn't see it that way.

On the after-show, Jeff pursued it in the hopes that Christy would
understand.  Heidi and Jenna said they definitely would have taken Christy
to the final three if she had only committed herself and said <for sure>
that she would vote with them against Rob.  Rob said he would never have
changed the alliance if Christy had said <for sure> that she would vote
with the men against Heidi.  But, no, she was indecisive.  She was still
debating up to the tribal council, enjoying the fact that she was in power
for a change.

>But I agree that I was disappointed in the outcome.
>Karen

I wasn't.  But then I'm always overly-impressed with the person who wins
the last two immunity challenges.  I think they deserve to win.


    --bonniev

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On 12 May 2003 at 9:50, John Williams wrote:

>     The curious abscence of stories by-lined Cleveland on the Case
> Western shooting must mean that the shooter is either non-White,
> non-Christian, or both.
>     The VRWC strikes again.

By-lined? You mean datelined? Or is there some fabulous writer
named Cleveland who should be on the case but isn't?

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At 07:46 AM 5/12/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 12 May 2003 at 9:50, John Williams wrote:
>
> >     The curious abscence of stories by-lined Cleveland on the Case
> > Western shooting must mean that the shooter is either non-White,
> > non-Christian, or both.
> >     The VRWC strikes again.
>
>By-lined? You mean datelined? Or is there some fabulous writer
>named Cleveland who should be on the case but isn't?

Probably all of the above, but see:

http://tinyurl.com/bkv1

cwv

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    Tony (and anyone else), I can't believe that "Torontonians" is in
common  use up there.  Say it ain't so.

JMW

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> By-lined? You mean datelined?

    Busted!

JMW

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all depends on who you talk to

I've never heard it anywhere but the news
but then, my group of friends is a small sample for sure

BrP



>     Tony (and anyone else), I can't believe that "Torontonians" is in
> common  use up there.  Say it ain't so.
>
> JMW

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I don't disagree that it's kinda
clumsy-sounding, but what would you
suggest as an alternative?

Torontans?

--
Richard       the sun always shines on TV

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> I don't disagree that it's kinda
> clumsy-sounding, but what would you
> suggest as an alternative?
>
> Torontans?
>
> --
> Richard       the sun always shines on TV

Torontis?
Torontites?
Torontics?
How about "Torontois"?
clo

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Whe you live at the center of the universe, you don't need to call yourself anything -
it's for those of us who don't live there to come up with the right adjective.
Torontonians always sounds funny to me because it forces recognition of the
second "t"


BrP


> I don't disagree that it's kinda
> clumsy-sounding, but what would you
> suggest as an alternative?
>
> Torontans?
>
> --
> Richard       the sun always shines on TV

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clo:
> How about "Torontois"?

I'll bet the viande fumees to
the east would like that.

Tantrics?

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and how would you refer to the residents of Etobicoke ?



> Whe you live at the center of the universe, you don't need to call yourself anything -
> it's for those of us who don't live there to come up with the right adjective.
> Torontonians always sounds funny to me because it forces recognition of the
> second "t"
>
>
> BrP
>
>
> > I don't disagree that it's kinda
> > clumsy-sounding, but what would you
> > suggest as an alternative?
> >
> > Torontans?
> >
> > --
> > Richard       the sun always shines on TV

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17:35 11.05.2003 -0500 skrev Doris Markland:

>http://www.burt.unl.edu/newsitems/morels2

Sigh. And also a sigh for something other than mushrooms: we now have a DSL connection and I have been trying for two days to get the VPN connection with the National Library's server inRana to work. One more sigh.

Espen

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> clo:
> > How about "Torontois"?
>
> I'll bet the viande fumees to
> the east would like that.
>
> Tantrics?
>
> --
> Richard       the sun always shines on TV

Isn't that "viandes fume'es"?

clo

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> and how would you refer to the residents of Etobicoke ?
>
> > Whe you live at the center of the universe, you don't need to call yourself anything -
> > it's for those of us who don't live there to come up with the right adjective.
> > Torontonians always sounds funny to me because it forces recognition of the
> > second "t"
> >
> >
> > BrP
> >
> >
> > > I don't disagree that it's kinda
> > > clumsy-sounding, but what would you
> > > suggest as an alternative?
> > >
> > > Torontans?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard       the sun always shines on TV

Definitely Etobicokies.

clo

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Paul R. Barfoot:
= Whe you live at the center of the universe, you don't need to call yourself anything -
= it's for those of us who don't live there to come up with the right adjective.
= Torontonians always sounds funny to me because it forces recognition of the
= second "t"
=
=
= BrP
=
=

Ah, then they must be Torranans.

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> Isn't that "viandes fume'es"?

I think clo has just outed herself as
a secret member of the Quebec language
police.

--
...so far in the closet I'm finding Christmas gifts

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"again, all around" wrote:
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> > Isn't that "viandes fume'es"?
>
> I think clo has just outed herself as
> a secret member of the Quebec language
> police.
>
> --
> ...so far in the closet I'm finding Christmas gifts

LOL! Please tell the immigration counselor - it'll up my score!
clo

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> LOL! Please tell the immigration counselor - it'll up my score!

I'm not on good terms with Canadian immigration.
They once detained me for over an hour because,
as far as I could tell, they thought I was a
member of a murderous biker gang.

Made me miss church, they did.

--
Richard       the sun always shines on TV

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ah, border stories - one of my favo(u)rite topics.

BrP



> > LOL! Please tell the immigration counselor - it'll up my score!
>
> I'm not on good terms with Canadian immigration.
> They once detained me for over an hour because,
> as far as I could tell, they thought I was a
> member of a murderous biker gang.
>
> Made me miss church, they did.
>
> --
> Richard       the sun always shines on TV

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 3:06:59 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> Whe you live at the center of the universe, you don't need to call yourself anything -
> it's for those of us who don't live there to come up with the right adjective.
> Torontonians always sounds funny to me because it forces recognition of the
> second "t"

It's not pronounced "Trannonians"?

Karen

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> > LOL! Please tell the immigration counselor - it'll up my score!
>
> I'm not on good terms with Canadian immigration.
> They once detained me for over an hour because,
> as far as I could tell, they thought I was a
> member of a murderous biker gang.
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> Made me miss church, they did.
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> --
> Richard       the sun always shines on TV

Oh, but this sounds fascinating! Were you on a bike? Or did you
just have a gang-related appearance?
clo

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"again, all around" wrote:

> I don't disagree that it's kinda
> clumsy-sounding, but what would you
> suggest as an alternative?
>
> Torontans?
>

    Perzackly.  Kinda rolls off the tongue.

JMW

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On Monday, May 12, 2003 at 12:50, John Williams wrote:

>     Tony (and anyone else), I can't believe that "Torontonians" is in
> common  use up there.  Say it ain't so.

Not sure what you mean by common use. It's not a word you hear all
that often, but when you need to talk about the people who live in
Toronto, what else would you say? Do you find it particularly risible
or unlikely or something? I mean, worse than New Yorkers or Londoners
or Haligonians or Liverpudlians?

Tony H.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> ah, border stories - one of my favo(u)rite topics.

You'll like this one:

http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=1274341

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>

    ...and if it saves just one life...

http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=1274468

JMW

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by common use.

    The May 5th "Macleans" used it twice.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:
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> >
>
>     ...and if it saves just one life...
>
> http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=1274468
>
> JMW

Ouch!

" He also pointed out that the reduced fat Oreos have half
  the trans fats <as> the regular kind."

(Emphasis added)
clo

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On Monday, May 12, 2003 at 16:05, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > ah, border stories - one of my favo(u)rite topics.
>
> You'll like this one:
>
> http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=1274341

"Police tell The Buffalo News that they suspect the boy
made his way across a bridge on either a deck for vehicle
traffic or an unused deck with abandoned train tracks."

Gives me the heebie-jeebies. That recently abandoned rail bridge over
the gorge has no side rails, and precious little in the way of
decking. But it does have plenty of cameras, that you'd think would
be triggered by even something as small as a boy-on-a-bike.

Tony H.

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On Monday, May 12, 2003 at 16:05, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> "again, all around" wrote:
> >
> > I don't disagree that it's kinda
> > clumsy-sounding, but what would you
> > suggest as an alternative?
> >
> > Torontans?
> >
> > --
> > Richard       the sun always shines on TV
>
> Torontis?
> Torontites?
> Torontics?
> How about "Torontois"?

Well that *is* the normal French term, but of course it's largely
unknown to non French speakers.

But seriously folks - you don't just change the name of a city's
inhabitants. Torontonian is the word, and it ain't goin' anywhere.
Locally it's pronounced roughly TronTONi@n, or maybe halfway between
that and T@ronTONi@n. (@ = schwa). But as mentioned, it doesn't
really come up much, because the need isn't there. Locally one would
say "residents" or "citizens" or the like, with no need to mention
the name of the city. It's only in the case of media reports from far
enough away, and even then once some scene setting has been done
there's little need for the word.

Tony H.

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02003-05-12 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> http://tinyurl.com/bk1i

There isn't much meat in it, but this is pretty much spot-on: "Moreover,
it is a dangerous indication of just how poorly American liberal democracy
is understood by many in our nation. Among other values, America is built
on a commitment to civil liberties." The situation is quite appalling,
and since I have the luxury let me say that these people are idiots.

Here's an example of how it's completely acceptable to say any crap as
long as it sounds "down home" and "sturdy common sense" ... The mayor
says, I will open casinos in the city, case closed; and if you protest,
fine, we will arrange so YOU won't get any of that revenue. If you want
examples of total cluelessness about public vs private life, all you
have to do is look around.

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I'll be completing my pre-approval paperwork this week. After talking
again with the credit union, I am going for a 3% down payment arrangement.
I'll get something close to that, I am assured.

I have also been rearranging investment funds - that's partly a guessing
game, of course - fortunately, I enjoy guessing games.

If I become a bag lady, I suppose I'll be able to play Bingo!

Bethany

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Hey Bethany,

It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
so to say. How should I get a start on investing?

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 7:09:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
> so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
> so to say. How should I get a start on investing?

Buy my house and let me live there for free!

Karen

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 12:03:07 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Heidi and Jenna said they definitely would have taken Christy
> to the final three if she had only committed herself and said <for sure>
> that she would vote with them against Rob.  Rob said he would never have
> changed the alliance if Christy had said <for sure> that she would vote
> with the men against Heidi.

I heard this, but I don't necessarily believe it.

>>But I agree that I was disappointed in the outcome.
>>Karen

> I wasn't.  But then I'm always overly-impressed with the person who wins
> the last two immunity challenges.  I think they deserve to win.

Well, you are far more of a pragmatist than I.

Karen

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 6:57:14 AM, Jeff Rankin wrote:
>>Why, btw, did Jenna say something about Matt's not needing the
>>money?  I remember several Survivors ago when they kicked off a doctor
>>who had mentioned his Porshe or some such, but I didn't notice anything
>>about Matt and money.

> I found this intriguing, as well. It sounded like he is already a millionaire?

Do we know anything more about this?

Karen

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 6:57:14 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
[about Heidi's hair]
> I didn't notice the different lengths or anything in particular about
> her hair really -- just that there was so much of it that it overwhelmed
> her <person> and looked ridiculous.

I do wonder about self-styled athletes with long hair. But I thought
she had a good, genuine smile.

>> especially the stupid clips of Jeff traveling to New York with the ballots.

> Oh yes.  I found that a bit much.  When he first got into the boat, I
> kept wondering what would happen if the jar of ballots fell into the
> water and got lost.  But when the boat was suddenly approaching NYC, I
> got more into pondering the silliness and didn't worry about the
> ballots.

It wasn't a boat, it was a JET SKI. We're supposed to believe that he
stood all the way from South America.

Karen

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Bethany:
>that's partly a guessing game, of course

"It will fluctuate."
          - Jaye P. (Gong) Morgan

> If I become a bag lady, I suppose I'll be able to play Bingo!

Careful, that's how William Bennet got his
start.  It's a gateway gamble!

--
Richard       the sun always shines on TV

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Tushar:
>How should I get a start on investing?

Start with ten million and know when to quit.

--
...just full of 'em tonight

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> 1. I joined an NAIC investment club, making certain that almost all
> members knew a great deal more about money in general and investing in
> particular than I did.

That wouldn't have been hard, would it?

-aht

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On Mon, 12 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:

>> 1. I joined an NAIC investment club, making certain that almost all
>> members knew a great deal more about money in general and investing in
>> particular than I did.
>
>That wouldn't have been hard, would it?

Is this the voice of experience?

Bethany

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On Mon, 12 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
>so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
>so to say. How should I get a start on investing?

Woo-hoo! What fun! Here are the most helpful things I did:

1. I joined an NAIC investment club, making certain that almost all
members knew a great deal more about money in general and investing in
particular than I did. That allowed me to tag along while learning,
having to put in only a small amt. of money each month. My chapter is
actually expensive compared to many - membership was $500 (most of which
is invested), and dues are $50 per month. Many clubs have dues of only $25
per month - but it takes a long time to build up much of a portfolio that
way. We also have a maximum per year, so that we don't end up with a few
members owning most of our assets.

2. I started reading the WSJ and websites such as Yahoo and Morningstar
pretty regularly. Also Motley Fool.

3. I read the NAIC handbook and some Morningstar books - I am about to
read the one on Mutual Funds, about which I know almost nothing.

AND

4. FINALLY, after a number of free trial subscriptions, I subscribed to
Investor's Business Daily - which promotes a highly technical analysis.
I am learning to use its strategies and finding it helpful. But it is not
for the beginner.

I also opened an account with ShareBuilder.com, because it offers a
drip-like plan as well as discount real time trades. After a bit of buying
and selling recently and slow accumulation over many months, I have a
portfolio of 12 stocks (or will tomorrow as soon as I buy the 12th) that I
am pretty satisfied with. My investments were "dripped" for the most part
- and they are small - but I think they will grow - and some pay
dividends. One of my less important goals has been to acquire dividend
stocks adequate to pay the small commissions I have to pay. I am not there
yet, but I am getting there.

How are others doing this?

Bethany

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:29:23 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Yeah, it has the makings of a story, but
> unfortunately (for my vacation as well as
> for storytelling purposes), it wasn't more
> college-kids-employed-as-border-security
> who'd never seen a driving license with
> endorsements like mine.

> --
> Richard,
>  the dangerous biker thug/left rearview mirror restriction guy

What kind of endorsements do you have???

Karen

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02003-05-12 | "again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> >How should I get a start on investing?
>
> Start with ten million and know when to quit.

I know the second part--before starting. Which leads to
a paradoxical self-contradicting situation on the first
clause, which is like PRETTY COOL. Thanks!

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> Oh, but this sounds fascinating!

Yeah, it has the makings of a story, but
unfortunately (for my vacation as well as
for storytelling purposes), it wasn't more
college-kids-employed-as-border-security
who'd never seen a driving license with
endorsements like mine.

--
Richard,
 the dangerous biker thug/left rearview mirror restriction guy

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02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, May 12, 2003, 7:09:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
> > so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
> > so to say. How should I get a start on investing?
>
> Buy my house and let me live there for free!

Thanks, that's going in my palm pilot right away. How much
does it cost?

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Thanks ...

02003-05-12 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Mon, 12 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
> >so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
> >so to say. How should I get a start on investing?
>
> Woo-hoo! What fun! Here are the most helpful things I did:
>
> 1. I joined an NAIC investment club, making certain that almost all
> members knew a great deal more about money in general and investing in
> particular than I did. That allowed me to tag along while learning,
> having to put in only a small amt. of money each month. My chapter is
> actually expensive compared to many - membership was $500 (most of which
> is invested), and dues are $50 per month. Many clubs have dues of only $25
> per month - but it takes a long time to build up much of a portfolio that
> way. We also have a maximum per year, so that we don't end up with a few
> members owning most of our assets.
>
> 2. I started reading the WSJ and websites such as Yahoo and Morningstar
> pretty regularly. Also Motley Fool.
>
> 3. I read the NAIC handbook and some Morningstar books - I am about to
> read the one on Mutual Funds, about which I know almost nothing.
>
> AND
>
> 4. FINALLY, after a number of free trial subscriptions, I subscribed to
> Investor's Business Daily - which promotes a highly technical analysis.
> I am learning to use its strategies and finding it helpful. But it is not
> for the beginner.
>
> I also opened an account with ShareBuilder.com, because it offers a
> drip-like plan as well as discount real time trades. After a bit of buying
> and selling recently and slow accumulation over many months, I have a
> portfolio of 12 stocks (or will tomorrow as soon as I buy the 12th) that I
> am pretty satisfied with. My investments were "dripped" for the most part
> - and they are small - but I think they will grow - and some pay
> dividends. One of my less important goals has been to acquire dividend
> stocks adequate to pay the small commissions I have to pay. I am not there
> yet, but I am getting there.
>
> How are others doing this?

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Tushar:
> I know the second part--before starting. Which leads to
> a paradoxical self-contradicting situation on the first
> clause, which is like PRETTY COOL. Thanks!

O.K., I am sorry for being flippant.

Read a book by John Bogle.  Period.  End of story.

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Karen:
> What kind of endorsements do you have???

"M" and "01".

I guess that's scary up Victoria-way.

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:36:45 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, May 12, 2003, 7:09:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
>> > so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
>> > so to say. How should I get a start on investing?
>>
>> Buy my house and let me live there for free!

> Thanks, that's going in my palm pilot right away. How much
> does it cost?

Probably less than what the tax appraisal is...

Karen

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:54:55 PM, again, all around wrote:

> Karen:
>> What kind of endorsements do you have???

> "M" and "01".

> I guess that's scary up Victoria-way.

Well, what do these MEAN????

Karen

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I just watched "The Others."  I sort of liked it.  Wasn't my favorite
movie ever.  I wasn't expecting it to be quite as weird as it was.
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-05-12 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > http://tinyurl.com/bk1i
>
> There isn't much meat in it,

No, I didn't consider it very <meaty>.  It's what I consider just
general common knowledge of the founding principles of this country.
The only reason I mentioned it was that I liked that somebody who
labeled himself a conservative was saying how appalled he was at some of
his right-wing brethren who saw anti-war protesters as not "supporting
our troops."  Plenty of <left-wingers> have made that point repeatedly,
but it might be more convincing to <right-wingers> to read it from one
of their own.

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I wasn't sure you would "like" it, just find it
interesting/intriguing.   I'm not sure just how much I like it, but it <is>
very intriguing.  Weird twist, right?
pj


At 09:00 PM 5/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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>movie ever.  I wasn't expecting it to be quite as weird as it was.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Is this the voice of experience?

Yes, as it happens.

-aht

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> How are others doing this?

Doing what?  Investing?  I've done pretty well with mutual funds, though
my most recent investing was in good, old-fashioned CDs because of a
combination of my age and my distrust of our current gov't, which I
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Phyllis Shaw wrote:
>
> I wasn't sure you would "like" it, just find it
> interesting/intriguing.   I'm not sure just how much I like it, but it <is>
> very intriguing.  Weird twist, right?

Yes, I did rather like the twist.  Also, I sometimes think that how much
I like a particular movie is partly related to my mood of the moment.  I
can imagine that I would have really loved this movie on certain
nights.  Something tonight just felt a bit <off> for it.  It's hard to
explain (since I don't really know what it is I'm talking about -- just
a vague impression).

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02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:36:45 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Monday, May 12, 2003, 7:09:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
> >> > so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
> >> > so to say. How should I get a start on investing?
> >>
> >> Buy my house and let me live there for free!
>
> > Thanks, that's going in my palm pilot right away. How much
> > does it cost?
>
> Probably less than what the tax appraisal is...

Sounds like a great investment!

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02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:54:55 PM, again, all around wrote:
> > Karen:
> >> What kind of endorsements do you have???
>
> > "M" and "01".
>
> > I guess that's scary up Victoria-way.
>
> Well, what do these MEAN????

Nothing drives K-R-N wilder than saying "no story here" ...

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> It takes one to know one, they say.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, I say.

-aht
Where's Waldo

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 9:53:56 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:36:45 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Monday, May 12, 2003, 7:09:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
>> >> > so I don't have to keep my money liquid and ready to siphon,
>> >> > so to say. How should I get a start on investing?
>> >>
>> >> Buy my house and let me live there for free!
>>
>> > Thanks, that's going in my palm pilot right away. How much
>> > does it cost?
>>
>> Probably less than what the tax appraisal is...

> Sounds like a great investment!

I actually believe that it will be. But we ETs are always optimists.

Karen

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Most of the Texas Democrat legislators are hiding out in Ardmore, Oklahoma at this hour, so that there can't be a quorum in Austin where they are supposed to be considering redistricting. Apparently the Department of Public Safety was told to find them and being them back to Austin, but they slipped across the border to Oklahoma and the DPS can't touch them. Efforts are underway to see if the retrieval can be made a Federal matter so the FBI or the US Marshals could be brought in to play.

Probably won't make national news, but I was amused so I thought I'd share.

-aht

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 9:55:07 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, May 12, 2003, 8:54:55 PM, again, all around wrote:
>> > Karen:
>> >> What kind of endorsements do you have???
>>
>> > "M" and "01".
>>
>> > I guess that's scary up Victoria-way.
>>
>> Well, what do these MEAN????

> Nothing drives K-R-N wilder than saying "no story here" ...

Because My Favorite Storyteller tells me that there is *always* a
story here...

Karen

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02003-05-12 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> No, I didn't consider it very <meaty>.  It's what I consider just
> general common knowledge of the founding principles of this country.
> The only reason I mentioned it was that I liked that somebody who
> labeled himself a conservative was saying how appalled he was at some of
> his right-wing brethren who saw anti-war protesters as not "supporting
> our troops."  Plenty of <left-wingers> have made that point repeatedly,
> but it might be more convincing to <right-wingers> to read it from one
> of their own.

Oh, that ... it's very easy to do. Just label yourself conservative
and write it.

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On Mon, 12 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> How are others doing this?
>
>Doing what?  Investing?

Yes.

>I've done pretty well with mutual funds,

What steps have you followed? I am just starting to learn about MFs. I
have concentrated on individual stocks for 4 years. It was a good time to
learn - you learned or you went down those tubes fast!

Bethany

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On Mon, 12 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:

>> Is this the voice of experience?
>
>Yes, as it happens.

It takes one to know one, they say.

Bethany

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 10:23:25 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> Probably won't make national news, but I was amused so I thought I'd share.

I love living in Texas.

Karen

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> Probably won't make national news, but I was amused so I thought I'd share.

I heard it at work.  Are you kidding, won't make national news?

We laff!

Ann

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> I heard it at work.  Are you kidding, won't make national news?

What is "national" about your news, Bork?

-a

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On Mon, 12 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:
>
> What is "national" about your news, Bork?

heh heh you got a point.

Say, is "Toalanne" your African-American name?

LaQueen

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Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:47:33 -0700
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>(1) I'm disappointed.  I really thought that My Man Matt was going to
>win it when it came down to the two of them.  I think he was much more
>deserving than Jenna.  I was surprised that she won and was amazed by
>the lopsidedness of the vote.

I was too.  But, as Rob said, what matters most is knowing where you stand
with other people, and I don't think we, the viewing audience, ever go to
understand just how much Matt creeped out the other survivors.

>(2) Did Christy's answer in the followup show about why she decided to
>vote for Jenna in the end make any sense?  It sounded goofy to me.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

It was a justification.  Chances are pretty good that she herself doesn't
really understand why she voted the way she did.

When it comes to Survivor, almost everything you need to know you learned
in junior high school.  (And most of the rest comes from office politics.)

One of the central truths one learns in junior high school is this: there
are the popular people, and then there are the people who aren't popular,
and then there are the freaks and geeks.  And the goal of all of those
people, no matter which group they are in, is to spend as much time as
possible hanging out with the popular people.  Everyone, even those most
socially scorned, will try to be with the popular people because they are
(well duh-uh!) popular.

Christy has done a lot for consciousness-raising.  But no matter how badly
she has been treated by the popular set -- no matter how often the popular
crowd let her know that they considered her to be one of the
freaks-and-geeks -- she wants to be one of the popular people, and who can
blame her?  So when she was presented with a choice between an "evil
stepsister" who was nonetheless one of the popular people, and a person she
herself considered to be a creepy freak, of course she voted for the
popular one.

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Social Studies

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Monday, May 12, 2003, 11:47:33 PM, Bookrat wrote:
> So when she was presented with a choice between an "evil stepsister"
> who was nonetheless one of the popular people, and a person she
> herself considered to be a creepy freak, of course she voted for the
> popular one.

I thought there might have been some sisterwoman solidarity going on,
too.

I loathe Jenna and don't think she deserved to win. I would stomp her
into dustbunnies, myself.

Karen

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>anything away about who won tonight.  Jeff kept talking about how the
>"younger and prettier" females did this and that.  Younger is clear and
>easy.  But prettier?  How could somebody think that Heidi is prettier
>than some of the older ones?  If listing them in order of prettiness,
>I'd put Heidi at the bottom.  Is that mutant?
>--
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No, and you're certainly not the first person to pose the question.

I didn't find Heidi cute at the start, I didn't find her cute at the
reunion, and I certainly didn't find her cute after she had lost 15 pounds
and her implants had lost nothing except their tenuous claim on a
reasonable facsimile of proportion.

But chacun son gout.

OTOH, I can't imagine anyone not already romantically inclined toward
Jeanne finding her cute.  Deena, however...on second thought, deponent
takes the Fifth.

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Social Studies

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>I loathe Jenna and don't think she deserved to win. I would stomp her
>into dustbunnies, myself.
>
>Karen

If you had the chance.  Jenna got to the final two by winning four immunity
challenges, three of which were crucial.  And she managed to work it so
that she didn't "betray" anyone to get there.  She pissed off some of her
tribemates by her public behavior, sure, but, as far as we've seen on
camera, she never told anyone she would vote one way and then voted another
way.

Jenna made the most masterful move I have seen in the whole Survivor
series, when, at the tribal council, she gave up her immunity to Heidi.  It
was absolutely the most brilliant and ballsy thing I've ever seen in the
history of this show.  It could have backfired on her terribly, but it
didn't, and the fact that she was certain that it wouldn't earns her mad
props.  Even if her fellow survivors voted her least likely to survive on
her own, the fact is that this show is not about surviving on one's own: it
is about surviving group dynamics in a group of hungry (literally and
otherwise) people.

Much as I would have liked to see Matt win -- us freaks and geeks have to
stick together! -- he never really understood the game.  Jenna understood
it, and played it, and, in her own way, she played it better than the
mythical Richard Hatch, who, if I am not conflating seasons, won on a 4-3
vote where one of the pro-Richard votes was decided by a coin toss.

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Social Studies

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16:25 12.05.2003 -0400 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
>ah, border stories - one of my favo(u)rite topics.

The first time I went to Greece we travelled by train and had spent a week in Florence first (and then a train exchange and a few hours sightseeing in Venice and Belgrade on our way to Athens). Since there was cholera in Italy (Naples) everyone on that train who had been anywhere in Italy and didn't have a valid cholera vaccination had to stand in line at the border crossing for the vaccine. (The train waited for us)

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16:05 12.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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>> ah, border stories - one of my favo(u)rite topics.
>
>You'll like this one:
>
>http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=1274341

Most of the roads between Norway and Sweden are uncontrolled - that is there might be random checks. The idea is that if you have anything to declare you cross the border at a manned crossing.

Espen

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>Most of the roads between Norway and Sweden are uncontrolled - that is
>there might be random checks. The idea is that if you have anything to
>declare you cross the border at a manned crossing.        --Espen

It used to be that many of the crossings between Maine and Canada were
lightly controlled or uncontrolled.  But now things have toughened up.  And
then the economy went bad and there was not enough money to pay people for
24 hour duty at the smaller crossings.  There was an article this past
weekend about one very small community on the border that is now unable to
cross over to the Canadian side except on Monday through Friday from 8 a.m.
until 2 p.m.  It has been a hardship and now a sadness because the kids
were unable to come home for Mother's Day.


    --bonniev

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I am unclear on whether they were locked in against their will but they were
thanked profusely for their commitment to service by the Speaker, in a
speech which TXCN broke into its programming to carry live, and the cameras
continued to cut away to the floor of the House all evening...would you have
dared leave your seat empty under those circumstances?

The news last night carried pictures of legislators playing computer
solitaire at their desks, leaned way back in their leather seats and talking
on cell phones. Probably no different from what they do anyway.

Anyway, I can't wait until they have to cross the border back into Texas.
That is going to be fun to watch.

-aht

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> In a message dated 05/12/2003 10:23:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
> toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Most of the Texas Democrat legislators are hiding out in Ardmore, Oklahoma
at
> this hour, so that there can't be a quorum in Austin where they are
supposed
> to be considering redistricting.
> >>
>
> Is it true that the House Republicans are locked up?
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> How do you catch a unique rabbit?
>

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I'm not sure that I could say I "liked" this movie either.  At some
point, though, much as I did with The 6th Sense, I want to watch it
again to see how many "clues" I missed the first time around.

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Phyllis Shaw wrote:
>
>
>>I wasn't sure you would "like" it, just find it
>>interesting/intriguing.   I'm not sure just how much I like it, but it <is>
>>very intriguing.  Weird twist, right?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, I did rather like the twist.  Also, I sometimes think that how much
>I like a particular movie is partly related to my mood of the moment.  I
>can imagine that I would have really loved this movie on certain
>nights.  Something tonight just felt a bit <off> for it.  It's hard to
>explain (since I don't really know what it is I'm talking about -- just
>a vague impression).
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
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>

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> What steps have you followed? I am just starting to learn about MFs. I

Balance, respected fund manager, expected growth in the sector for
sector funds.  Those aren't <steps> -- they're <considerations>.  I
chose an index fund for my Valic 403b since I was pretty well covered
with the various other kinds of funds I wanted.  And I chose a "socially
aware" fund for my Roth IRA.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > our troops."  Plenty of <left-wingers> have made that point repeatedly,
> > but it might be more convincing to <right-wingers> to read it from one
> > of their own.
>
> Oh, that ... it's very easy to do. Just label yourself conservative
> and write it.

Good idea.  But I think this man really was a conservative.  Something
about "a biochemist who lives in Elkridge" just <sounds> conservative.

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 12:56:18 AM, Bookrat wrote:
> Much as I would have liked to see Matt win -- us freaks and geeks have to
> stick together! -- he never really understood the game.

I get the feeling that Matt doesn't really understand much of life,
either. Though I was impressed at how adaptable he was--how quickly he
was able to learn from Rob.

> Jenna understood it, and played it, and, in her own way, she played
> it better than the mythical Richard Hatch, who, if I am not
> conflating seasons, won on a 4-3 vote where one of the pro-Richard
> votes was decided by a coin toss.

Okay. But that doesn't mean I have to like or respect her.

Karen

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Anne Toal wrote:

> Probably won't make national news, but I was amused so I thought I'd share.

Twas pretty prominently displayed on cbsnews.com.  Here's what they
said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/13/politics/main553571.shtml

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 1:30:56 AM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Is it true that the House Republicans are locked up?

They were yesterday. I don't know if they let them out overnight or
not.

Karen

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Bookrat wrote:

> I was too.  But, as Rob said, what matters most is knowing where you stand
> with other people, and I don't think we, the viewing audience, ever go to
> understand just how much Matt creeped out the other survivors.

That has occurred to me many times -- that being that the audience
doesn't know these people nearly as well as they know each other.

> >(2) Did Christy's answer in the followup show about why she decided to
> >vote for Jenna in the end make any sense?  It sounded goofy to me.
>
> It was a justification.  Chances are pretty good that she herself doesn't
> really understand why she voted the way she did.

But the justification made no sense to me.

>   So when she was presented with a choice between an "evil
> stepsister" who was nonetheless one of the popular people, and a person she
> herself considered to be a creepy freak, of course she voted for the
> popular one.

I can't see this.  I can see wanting to hang out with the popular person
rather than the creepy freak but not voting that way in a final vote of
that kind.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I thought there might have been some sisterwoman solidarity going on,
> too.

I also got that feeling in how Christy said something about their having
been together from the beginning, something that might be construed as
relating to the original battle of the sexes.

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In a message dated 05/13/2003 6:48:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 1:30:56 AM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Is it true that the House Republicans are locked up?

They were yesterday. I don't know if they let them out overnight or
not.

>>

I think it's funny:  locking up representatives as if they were unruly
schoolkids.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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bonniev wrote:

> You don't have to go that far.  Just don't begrudge her the million dollars
> and the "title of sole Survivor".

Being runner-up wouldn't be bad.  Most people would enjoy an extra
$100,000 popping into their lives.

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Bookrat wrote:

> If you had the chance.  Jenna got to the final two by winning four immunity
> challenges, three of which were crucial.  And she managed to work it so
> that she didn't "betray" anyone to get there.  She pissed off some of her
> tribemates by her public behavior, sure, but, as far as we've seen on
> camera, she never told anyone she would vote one way and then voted another
> way.

I'm trying to remember now what Jenna's answer was to the question about
lying.  I know that she and Matt both said yes, that they had lied.  I
can't remember Jenna's example, though.

> Jenna made the most masterful move I have seen in the whole Survivor
> series, when, at the tribal council, she gave up her immunity to Heidi.  It
> was absolutely the most brilliant and ballsy thing I've ever seen in the
> history of this show.  It could have backfired on her terribly, but it

What about when Matt chose to lose the final challenge?  That was pretty
ballsy and showed him to be more of a thinker than he usually seemed to
be.

> didn't, and the fact that she was certain that it wouldn't earns her mad
> props.  Even if her fellow survivors voted her least likely to survive on
> her own, the fact is that this show is not about surviving on one's own: it
> is about surviving group dynamics in a group of hungry (literally and
> otherwise) people.

You are a good analyst, Mr. Krat.

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bonniev wrote:

> weekend about one very small community on the border that is now unable to
> cross over to the Canadian side except on Monday through Friday from 8 a.m.
> until 2 p.m.  It has been a hardship and now a sadness because the kids

Is the Jackman crossing still open regular hours?  I'll quite likely hop
up to Quebec after Acadiafest since it would be a shame not to when I'm
so close.

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> I'm not sure that I could say I "liked" this movie either.  At some
> point, though, much as I did with The 6th Sense, I want to watch it
> again to see how many "clues" I missed the first time around.

Yes!

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> > Jenna understood it, and played it, and, in her own way, she played
> > it better than the mythical Richard Hatch, who, if I am not
> > conflating seasons, won on a 4-3 vote where one of the pro-Richard
> > votes was decided by a coin toss.
>
>Okay. But that doesn't mean I have to like or respect her.
>Karen

You don't have to go that far.  Just don't begrudge her the million dollars
and the "title of sole Survivor".


    --bonniev

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aht:

>The news last night carried pictures of legislators playing computer
solitaire at their desks, leaned way back in their leather seats and talking
on cell phones. Probably no different from what they do anyway.

Of course it isn't.

AS

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bonniev wrote:

> Let's get some balance here and hear from all the people who keep their
> "investments" as a couple of $20s stuck between the mattress and the box
> spring.

That's not at all a bad thing to do with money these days.  The
principle doesn't decrease, and it doesn't earn much less than most bank
accounts are earning.

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>And I chose a "socially
aware" fund for my Roth IRA.

Naturally.

AS

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Balance, respected fund manager, expected growth in the sector for
>sector funds.  Those aren't <steps> -- they're <considerations>.  I

What things do you <balance>? Sectors? Fund size? Where do you get your
best information?

I have had to select funds for my 401k - and I do not like any of the
ones that are available, so I tend to go with what seems to be doing well,
and I makes changes periodically. I have a 401k only because UT matches
the first $20 per month. I put in $20, thereby gettting a 100% growth rate
if the fund does not fall.

In my Supplemental (i.e., liquid) 403b, I balance by having CREF stocks,
real estate, and the traditional annuity. New annuity money is getting a
guaranteed 4%, and that ain't bad right now.

Bethany

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>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> > What steps have you followed? I am just starting to learn about MFs. I
>
>Balance, respected fund manager, expected growth in the sector for
>sector funds.  Those aren't <steps> -- they're <considerations>.  I
>chose an index fund for my Valic 403b since I was pretty well covered
>with the various other kinds of funds I wanted.  And I chose a "socially
>aware" fund for my Roth IRA.    -- Natalie

Let's get some balance here and hear from all the people who keep their
"investments" as a couple of $20s stuck between the mattress and the box
spring.


    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> What things do you <balance>? Sectors? Fund size?

Yes and yes, plus types like aggressive vs slow and steady, etc.

> Where do you get your
> best information?

I don't pay much attention anymore.  It got boring.  As long as they're
doing pretty well in relation to the overall market, I'm content.  I
haven't changed any of them in a long time now.  Back when I used
Schwab, I enjoyed reading their quarterly newsletter.  I also read
magazines like Kiplingers back then.  And I've done some
information-gleaning on reputable websites through the years.  Mainly
now I do nothing.  I leave it to my Valic person, the person who has
almost all of my assets, excluding real estate, in her <domain> now --
the domain of the two large buildings in Houston that we've discussed
before.  It has changed names a bunch of times but is now AIG-Valic, I
think.

> I have had to select funds for my 401k - and I do not like any of the

I thought that 401k's were for people who didn't have retirement systems
-- i.e., people who would not receive pensions.  I have the vague memory
that we've discussed this before and you gave the answer to why you can
have a 401k, but I can't remember the answer now.

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>Is the Jackman crossing still open regular hours?  I'll quite likely hop
>up to Quebec after Acadiafest since it would be a shame not to when I'm
>so close.      -- Natalie

I have no idea.


    --bonniev

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Yesterday afternoon a horde of yellow-shirted young men from Advanced
Landscaping arrived in my backyard and cleared the alien growth out of
the mess of ivy.  I was surprised at how many of them there were --
about fifteen.  Makes me wonder how big the bill is gonna be, though
many hands did make fast work -- it didn't take them all that long.  One
of them was named Spencer, which was kind of funny since as they were
entering the backyard, I was speaking sternly to Spencer, calling him by
name and telling him to shut up.  This young man looked at me with a
startled expression.  His coworkers had a good time kidding him when I
said later, "If you don't behave, Spencer, I'm going to lock you in the
house."  Actually, Spencer behaved pretty well.  He barked at them at
times, which made sense for a good watchdog, but mainly hovered near his
doggy door or hid under the decklet.
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bonniev wrote:
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> >Is the Jackman crossing still open regular hours?  I'll quite likely hop
> >up to Quebec after Acadiafest since it would be a shame not to when I'm
> >so close.      -- Natalie
>
> I have no idea.

I will explore the situation when the time draws near.

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I thought that 401k's were for people who didn't have retirement systems
>-- i.e., people who would not receive pensions.  I have the vague memory
>that we've discussed this before and you gave the answer to why you can
>have a 401k, but I can't remember the answer now.

Since UT offers me $20 a month free, I would be crazy not to have a 401k
- I have a pension, a 403b (actually, 2 403b plans, one from another
university - both are with TIAA-CREF), and a 401k - so far I have seen
no reason to also have a 457 - all are available here. If I had thousands
of extra dollars a year, I could add a 457.

Thanks for your other comments -

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Since UT offers me $20 a month free, I would be crazy not to have a 401k

I wasn't questioning why you would want a 401k.  I was just confused by
401k vs 403b.  I thought that 401k meant a retirement fund for people
working at places that didn't have a regular pension-style retirement
system and that 403b was for people like us -- people at places with
regular retirement systems.  Obviously that's not true.  So what is the
difference between a 401k and a 403b?  I somehow associate 401k with
<people out there in the non-academic world>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:19 PM 5/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Score one for Netscape.  I played in IE earlier and found the card print
>too little.  In reading the above reply, I clicked on the url, which
>took me to it via Netscape, where the card texts are easily readable.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Not in my Netscape, I couldn't read the cards so I closed the window.
Besides I already have too many distractions I don't need another.

lisa

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This is scary:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/13/business/media/13FCC.html

You can send your opinion to the FCC here:
http://tinyurl.com/bn9o
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At 04:28 PM 5/12/2003 +0000, you wrote:
 > My usual Sunday addiction -Alias- was on hiatus

Tina is a HUGE Alias fan. This is our primary Sunday show. If it's a repeat
I get to watch 6 Feet Under, which is what we did this week. Now *that* is
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lisa

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>Tina is a HUGE Alias fan. This is our primary Sunday show. If it's a repeat
>I get to watch 6 Feet Under, which is what we did this week. Now *that* is
>a good show!       --lisa

At what point did Queen LaTina gain control of the remote?   You might as
well be living with a male.


    --bonniev

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Natalie:
>The principle doesn't decrease

I know I should expect this kind of
thing from a woman who left a casino
with less than she went in with and
called it winning, but...

godalmighty, Natalie.

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Richard       my my my whiskey and rye

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-aht:
> Probably won't make national news

The news made it across the Sabine
(with some emphasis on the root cause,
presumably because gone through a few
of these we've redistricting pissfights
too).

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From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> At 07:57 PM 5/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >=
> >= You've forgotten Espen.
> >
> >And Marie!
>
> Marie thinks normal is upstate New York. For better or worse,
> after living
> in "The City" for so long, there's no other way to describe her
> currentplace or residence.

I have no idea what this exchange is about.

Was someone claiming that I'm normal? Is that a slam?

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> > At 07:57 PM 5/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> > >=
> > >= You've forgotten Espen.
> > >
> > >And Marie!
> >
> > Marie thinks normal is upstate New York. For better or worse,
> > after living
> > in "The City" for so long, there's no other way to describe her
> > currentplace or residence.
>
> I have no idea what this exchange is about.
>
> Was someone claiming that I'm normal? Is that a slam?
>
> Marie

I think that it means that you think I am (shudder) <normal>.
clo

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In a message dated 05/13/2003 9:38:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

<<
I have no idea what this exchange is about.

>>

I was left out, too.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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At 10:06 PM 5/12/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
>I didn't find Heidi cute at the start, I didn't find her cute at the
>reunion, and I certainly didn't find her cute after she had lost 15 pounds
>and her implants had lost nothing except their tenuous claim on a
>reasonable facsimile of proportion.
>
>But chacun son gout.
>
>OTOH, I can't imagine anyone not already romantically inclined toward
>Jeanne finding her cute.  Deena, however...on second thought, deponent
>takes the Fifth.

I am shocked that you watched it.

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> Let's get some balance here and hear from all the people who keep their
> "investments" as a couple of $20s stuck between the mattress and the box
> spring.

You can count on me.

Ann

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At 10:23 PM 5/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Most of the Texas Democrat legislators are hiding out in Ardmore, Oklahoma
>at this hour, so that there can't be a quorum in Austin where they are
>supposed to be considering redistricting. Apparently the Department of
>Public Safety was told to find them and being them back to Austin, but
>they slipped across the border to Oklahoma and the DPS can't touch them.
>Efforts are underway to see if the retrieval can be made a Federal matter
>so the FBI or the US Marshals could be brought in to play.
>
>Probably won't make national news, but I was amused so I thought I'd share.
>
>-aht

I read about this on cnn.com and was hoping it would make it to list life.
Although I have an opinion it's not worth much in part because this
situation doesn't have a direct impact on me.

Sending the Texas Rangers out to bring back the fugitive politicians seems
to go against freedom and democracy. I think it's excessive but I do not
know the law as it applies to getting elected officials to come in and do
their jobs.

Playing opossum (the 'o' is silent in my pronunciation) because you don't
want to lose seats is cowardly and obnoxious. Besides the Dems brought this
on themselves by being a completely lameass party over the past couple of
years. If they redirected the same organizational skills they used to
gather themselves up for a field trip to Arkansas and applied them to
actual policy, they wouldn't have to sit across the state line, thumbing
their noses at the Rangers and the evil Republicans.

lisa

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I wasn't questioning why you would want a 401k.  I was just confused by
>401k vs 403b.  I thought that 401k meant a retirement fund for people
>working at places that didn't have a regular pension-style retirement
>system and that 403b was for people like us -- people at places with
>regular retirement systems.  Obviously that's not true.  So what is the
>difference between a 401k and a 403b?  I somehow associate 401k with
><people out there in the non-academic world>.

A number of websites discuss the differences. One is:

http://benefitsattorney.com/choice.html

It begins:
>The attractiveness of a 457(b) plan as compared with a 403(b) plan or a
401(k) plan may vary greatly depending on the circumstances. For example,
a state or local governmental entity other than a public school or
university may need to have a 457(b) plan, because it cannot normally have
either of the other types of plans. A private university that is
tax-exempt under Internal Revenue Code ("I.R.C.") ¤ 501(c)(3) but
maintains a health maintenance organization that is tax-exempt under
I.R.C. ¤ 501(c)(4) and/or taxable research subsidiaries may prefer a
401(k) plan, so that it can cover all employees under the same plan. A
private school that does not have affiliates, and wants to provide only
for salary reduction contributions, may find that a 403(b) plan gives it
the greatest ability to cover rank-and-file employees while minimizing
administrative requirements. A public or private nonprofit school or
university that maintains a qualified defined contribution plan may want
to have a separate 403(b) plan as well, since it need not combine 403(b)
contributions with contributions to the school or university's qualified
plans in applying the I.R.C. ¤ 415(c) limits.

With the passage of the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act
of 2001 ("EGTRRA"), under which 457(b) plan deferrals no longer have to be
coordinated with 401(k) or 403(b) deferrals, more employers may want to
consider maintaining more than one type of plan to maximize total
permitted deferrals. This is  particularly true given that EGTRRA permits
457(b) and 403(b) plan money, as well as 401(k) plan money, to be used to
purchase service credit under a defined benefit plan.

etc. Much more information follows. It will bore you silly, Natalie! This
may be the most important part:

Beginning in 2002,
                            457(b) plans have
                            become quite
                            attractive as a
                            supplement to 401(k)
                            or 403(b) plans, if an
                            employer wishes to
                            provide for larger tax
                            deferred
                            contributions.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I will explore the situation when the time draws near.

It's currently 24x7:
<http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/me/0104.xml>.

To aid your travel planning that day, they have a list of border crossing
wait times you can check before you go:
<http://forms.customs.gov/nemo/bordertimes/bordertimes.asp>

Pete

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> >The principle doesn't decrease
>
> I know I should expect this kind of
> thing from a woman who left a casino
> with less than she went in with and
> called it winning, but...
>
> godalmighty, Natalie.

?

I don't get the casino reference either.

But I'm happy that I just went and bought some purple fountain grass.
Need to go to campus now and will then come home and plant it just
before the rain comes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> etc. Much more information follows. It will bore you silly, Natalie!

Yep, it is pretty boring.  But I couldn't find the answer to my question
in my very quick skimming of what you quoted.  Nor in this:

>  This
> may be the most important part:
>
> Beginning in 2002,
>                             457(b) plans have
>                             become quite
>                             attractive as a
>                             supplement to 401(k)
>                             or 403(b) plans, if an
>                             employer wishes to
>                             provide for larger tax
>                             deferred
>                             contributions.

I didn't ask anything about 457b.  All I asked was the difference
between 401k and 403b.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:58 AM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Let's get some balance here and hear from all the people who keep their
>"investments" as a couple of $20s stuck between the mattress and the box
>spring.
>
>
>    --bonniev

I have two such funds along with a savings account, roth IRA and some
401(k)s I no longer contribute to.

BTW, I have a family member who did the mattress money thing and ended up
saving about $10k. My goals are not so lofty. My money is earmarked for new
tires for my car and spending money for Acadia-fest.

lisa

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At 07:22 AM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I thought that 401k's were for people who didn't have retirement systems
>-- i.e., people who would not receive pensions.  I have the vague memory
>that we've discussed this before and you gave the answer to why you can
>have a 401k, but I can't remember the answer now.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Mass. General Hospital, where Tina works,  offers both a pension plan and a
403(b). They do not match on the 403(b) so at the present time Tina does
not contribute.

lisa

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bonnie:
>a couple of $20s stuck between the mattress and the box spring.

Family lore has it that, when de gubmint
confiscated everyone's gold in 1933, my
grandfather put his in Mason jars, encased
them in concrete and buried them in the backyard.

--
...at least it stopped granny's impulse purchases

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I didn't ask anything about 457b.  All I asked was the difference
>between 401k and 403b.

Check the URL I sent. There is much info - too much to post here. It has
to  do with private vs. public, tax-exempt vs. non-tex-exempt, etc.

Bethany

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At 10:06 AM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Tina is a HUGE Alias fan. This is our primary Sunday show. If it's a repeat
>>I get to watch 6 Feet Under, which is what we did this week. Now *that* is
>>a good show!       --lisa
>
>At what point did Queen LaTina gain control of the remote?   You might as
>well be living with a male.
>
>
>    --bonniev

She doesn't have control of the remote. She has control over the Sunday
night show because 6 Ft. Under is on at least 3 other times during the week.

Otherwise we really do try to compromise. We have completely opposite
tastes in television programs so it can be difficult but we try to be fair.

Living with a man.. hmmm.. well she does take out the trash more often than
I do but she has to put her lipstick on before doing so.. God forbid a
neighbor see her w/o her makeup!

lisa

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At 10:36 AM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> > At 07:57 PM 5/8/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> > >=
> > >= You've forgotten Espen.
> > >
> > >And Marie!
> >
> > Marie thinks normal is upstate New York. For better or worse,
> > after living
> > in "The City" for so long, there's no other way to describe her
> > currentplace or residence.
>
>I have no idea what this exchange is about.
>
>Was someone claiming that I'm normal? Is that a slam?
>
>Marie

Over the course of a couple of days last week I was posting what I thought
each wordslur would say/do about a normal person being amongst us
(-abht thinks we need at least one to give this <service> credibility).

I started off with a handful of names that came to mind. Others threw their
names or the names of others into the ring. With the exception of one or
two responses everyone appreciated and understood the humor in which I
approached this exercise.

lisa

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At 10:41 AM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 05/13/2003 9:38:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
>14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:
>
><<
>I have no idea what this exchange is about.
>
> >>
>
>I was left out, too.

Marie wasn't left out, she was included without her knowledge.

Evelyn - Normal? Normal is playing with you pussy, cat that is,  all day.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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In a message dated 05/13/2003 12:13:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Evelyn - Normal? Normal is playing with you pussy, cat that is,  all day.

>>

She wouldn't like that.  She's happy if I'm in the room with the radio
playing, I'm reading a book, and she can look out the window.
Now, she'll cuddle with Mom all day if Mom would let her, but
Sweetie only allows me about 10 minutes of cuddling at a time.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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>Tina is a HUGE Alias fan. This is our primary Sunday show. If it's a repeat
>I get to watch 6 Feet Under, which is what we did this week. Now *that* is
>a good show!       --lisa

Ha! I was trolling to see who else watches -Alias-. I like 6FU but Alias and
Sidney kick butt. I like the hectic, almost dizzying pace - can't think of
another show on teevee that spans three continents and five languages
in one hour. I like the endless plot convolutions, Sidney's kick-ass style
and bonus, Will and Vaughn are great eye candy.

-rashmi

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At 06:18 PM 5/13/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>Tina is a HUGE Alias fan. This is our primary Sunday show. If it's a repeat
>>I get to watch 6 Feet Under, which is what we did this week. Now *that* is
>>a good show!       --lisa
>
>Ha! I was trolling to see who else watches -Alias-. I like 6FU but Alias and
>Sidney kick butt. I like the hectic, almost dizzying pace - can't think of
>another show on teevee that spans three continents and five languages
>in one hour. I like the endless plot convolutions, Sidney's kick-ass style
>and bonus, Will and Vaughn are great eye candy.
>
>-rashmi

I think Tina started watching for the eye candy too, Sidney! We both like
the fight scenes with her.

One complaint I have is that it was getting a little too far fetched this
season. I could have handled the cloning aspect if it weren't for the
weirdness surrounding the Rimaldi stuff. Otherwise I too like the fast pace
of the show.

Final note, we were watching 6FU this week and when it was over Tina said
to me, "my God this is just the best show, it totally sucks you in". I find
it interesting as it's on the other end of the spectrum in relation to Alias.

lisa

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my daughters watch Charmed and one evening i sat down with them to see what
they were watching.   i got fascinated with the way the actresses
"speak".   they barely open their mouths, talk through their teeth.   i got
so fascinated that i started watching the new episodes, the reruns and then
found out i was hooked on Charmed.

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The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has to
get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
power.

> > Oh, that ... it's very easy to do. Just label yourself conservative
> > and write it.
>
> Good idea.  But I think this man really was a conservative.  Something
> about "a biochemist who lives in Elkridge" just <sounds> conservative.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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In a message dated 05/13/2003 1:36:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
pshaw@UARK.EDU writes:

<<
i got fascinated with the way the actresses
"speak".   they barely open their mouths, talk through their teeth.
>>

i never noticed that; i'm going to have to watch that on the show this
afternoon.  so, who's your favorite sister?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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02003-05-13 | Stephen H Karlson <ta0shk1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU> writes:
> The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has
> to get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
> disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
> reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
> be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
> power.

This kind of burbling has passed into the zone of "automatic speech",
Steve. At least unmix some metaphors.

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What ever happened with your company?

lisa

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At 01:05 PM 05/13/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Over the course of a couple of days last week I was posting what I thought
>each wordslur would say/do about a normal person being amongst us

And very well done, I might add.

Larry

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At 07:30 AM 05/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Makes me wonder how big the bill is gonna be, though
>many hands did make fast work -- it didn't take them all that long.

Excuse me? You hired this crew without a cost estimate?

Larry

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At 08:29 AM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>This is scary:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/13/business/media/13FCC.html
>
>You can send your opinion to the FCC here:
>http://tinyurl.com/bn9o
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

What's this say.. I don't have a NYT login.

lisa

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lisa:

>What ever happened with your company?

It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
Time to update the resume and start looking.

-rashmi

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 10:08:58 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Playing opossum (the 'o' is silent in my pronunciation) because you don't
> want to lose seats is cowardly and obnoxious.

It's more than just losing seats; it's losing true representation for
Austin as an entity. (But then I'm also largely a Doggett fan.)

> Besides the Dems brought this on themselves by being a completely
> lameass party over the past couple of years.

I didn't realize you followed Texas state politics so closely.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:02:46 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
> Time to update the resume and start looking.

Good luck!

Karen

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At 02:13 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:

> > Besides the Dems brought this on themselves by being a completely
> > lameass party over the past couple of years.
>
>I didn't realize you followed Texas state politics so closely.
>
>Karen

I hate it when you're a twit.

My comments on the democratic party are generic. I think the party overall
is seriously lacking these days and my opinion crosses state lines.

lisa

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At 07:02 PM 5/13/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>lisa:
>
>>What ever happened with your company?
>
>It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
>Time to update the resume and start looking.
>
>-rashmi

Rashmi, I'm sorry to hear that. At the very least you won't be blind sided
when the "official" word goes out.

Good luck w/ the job search!

lisa

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:17:11 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> At 02:13 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> > Besides the Dems brought this on themselves by being a completely
>> > lameass party over the past couple of years.
>>
>>I didn't realize you followed Texas state politics so closely.
>>
>>Karen

> I hate it when you're a twit.

> My comments on the democratic party are generic. I think the party overall
> is seriously lacking these days and my opinion crosses state lines.

You can think whatever you want--even that I'm a twit--but that
doesn't mean you know about what you're flapping your lips about. The
Democratic party in Texas is not the same Democratic party you find in
California. And I suspect there are significant differences between
the party in MA and its manifestation in TX, though I wouldn't claim
to know what they are.

Karen

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:02:46 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
> > Time to update the resume and start looking.
>
> Good luck!

I don't know, Karen's 'good luck' sounded a little almost ironic, or
possibly bitter, though sincere.  Here's a robust hearty positive GOOD LUCK!

Ann

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:23:15 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:02:46 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
>> > Time to update the resume and start looking.
>>
>> Good luck!

> I don't know, Karen's 'good luck' sounded a little almost ironic, or
> possibly bitter, though sincere.  Here's a robust hearty positive GOOD LUCK!

I am ironic and bitter about many things these days, but it was a
genuine, hearty, positive Good Luck, as much as I can manage these
days.

My friend Lydia just celebrated her 2.5 year anniversary of
unemployment.

I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
though--beware, Alec!

Karen

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At 11:45 AM 5/13/2003 -0700, Larry Clark wrote:
>At 07:30 AM 05/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Makes me wonder how big the bill is gonna be, though
> >many hands did make fast work -- it didn't take them all that long.
>
>Excuse me? You hired this crew without a cost estimate?

...she has always depended on the kindness of strangers...

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At 11:41 AM 5/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 01:05 PM 05/13/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
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> >Over the course of a couple of days last week I was posting what I thought
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>
>And very well done, I might add.
>
>Larry

Why thank you Larry!

lisa

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At 07:02 PM 5/13/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>lisa:
>
>>What ever happened with your company?
>
>It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
>Time to update the resume and start looking.

Come to California! Are you looking at staying with the company and going
to Jacksonville or Cleveland?

Betty, wishing you the best of luck!

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In a message dated 05/13/2003 2:03:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.

>>

I'm sorry.

Evelyn Duncan
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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 3:13:02 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Come to California!

Did I tell you that my friend who moved to San Jose from Austin two
weeks before I moved to Austin is moving back to Austin? He doesn't
have a job here yet, but he's happier when he's here, so he decided to
leap.

Karen

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lisa:

>Rashmi, I'm sorry to hear that. At the very least you won't be blind sided
>when the "official" word goes out.

The rumor that started 3 (?) weeks ago has been confirmed-plenty of
time for it to sink in. Sad thing is we have a good group here and there's
plenty of work to do. We got caught up in a bad situation that had
little to do with us.

>Good luck w/ the job search!

Thanks.

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> I think that it means that you think I am (shudder) <normal>.
> clo

No way. You're a total freak.

Marie

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:23:15 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Tue, 13 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:02:46 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a
>>job.
>> > Time to update the resume and start looking.
>>
>>Good luck!

>I don't know, Karen's 'good luck' sounded a little almost ironic, or
>possibly bitter, though sincere.  Here's a robust hearty positive GOOD LUCK

Thanks, Ann. I'm sure Karen wishes me the very best. I'm the world's
worst job hunter and am hoping to channel some of Karen's skills in that
area.

-rashmi

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > I think that it means that you think I am (shudder) <normal>.
> > clo
>
> No way. You're a total freak.
>
> Marie

Thanks, I think!

We <used> to spell it "freke".
clo

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> Over the course of a couple of days last week I was posting what I
> thoughteach wordslur would say/do about a normal person being
> amongst us

Okay, but for whatever it's worth, and however it might be connected, I don't think upstate is <normal>. They're mostly Republicans up there, fer Chrissakes! And to all but some city dwellers, Westchester is considered part of "Downstate".

Marie

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Westchester downstate?  Interesting, sort of like calling Evanston
downstate.

Carmel is clearly downstate, although bialys at a Baptist potluck make one
think.

Lake George, where the Crystal Beach Comet lives, is clearly downstate
(also the best bratwurst that side of Lake Michigan.)

>
> Okay, but for whatever it's worth, and however it might be connected, I don't think upstate is <normal>. They're mostly Republicans up there, fer Chrissakes! And to all but some city dwellers, Westchester is considered part of "Downstate".

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At 03:25 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 3:13:02 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Come to California!
>
>Did I tell you that my friend who moved to San Jose from Austin two
>weeks before I moved to Austin is moving back to Austin? He doesn't
>have a job here yet, but he's happier when he's here, so he decided to
>leap.

Yes, you did mention that. I hope he finds something, too.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 2:17:11 PM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>At 02:13 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>>Besides the Dems brought this on themselves by being a completely
>>>>lameass party over the past couple of years.
>>>>
>>>I didn't realize you followed Texas state politics so closely.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>
>
>>I hate it when you're a twit.
>>
>
>>My comments on the democratic party are generic. I think the party overall
>>is seriously lacking these days and my opinion crosses state lines.
>>
>
> You can think whatever you want--even that I'm a twit--but that
> doesn't mean you know about what you're flapping your lips about. The
> Democratic party in Texas is not the same Democratic party you find in
> California. And I suspect there are significant differences between
> the party in MA and its manifestation in TX, though I wouldn't claim
> to know what they are.


Lisa, if I ever sound like this about Missouri, twittify me.




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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Tue, 13 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I didn't ask anything about 457b.  All I asked was the difference
>>between 401k and 403b.
>>
>
> Check the URL I sent. There is much info - too much to post here. It has
> to  do with private vs. public, tax-exempt vs. non-tex-exempt, etc.


        They're mostly the same, except 403(b)s are for non-profit
corporations.  You've asked this before, and I've answered
it before.  I have both kinds left over from previous jobs,
and I can't tell the difference (not that I'm as
sophisticated as Bethany about these matters).  I have them
in addition to my pension because I might want a little more
money when I retire than what my pension will provide.  Or
if I die before then, Ana will get it, which is just as good.




--
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 07:22 AM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I thought that 401k's were for people who didn't have retirement systems
>> -- i.e., people who would not receive pensions.  I have the vague memory
>> that we've discussed this before and you gave the answer to why you can
>> have a 401k, but I can't remember the answer now.
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>
> Mass. General Hospital, where Tina works,  offers both a pension plan and a
> 403(b). They do not match on the 403(b) so at the present time Tina does
> not contribute.


        Shoot.  I can't remember which hospital my sister in law
works for.  It might be St. Elizabeth.  But it would be
really cool if she worked with Queen LaTina.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 16:39, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > No way. You're a total freak.
> >
> > Marie
>
> Thanks, I think!
>
> We <used> to spell it "freke".

"Phreake"...

Tony H.

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Pru, mostly.   Yes, I know.   She's not on the show anymore.   I like all
four of them.  They're all different - the characters personalities are all
different - the actresses are all different - BUT - they all seem to have
this one similarity.   When they aren't "exclaiming" - they're talking
through their teeth.
pj


At 02:40 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 05/13/2003 1:36:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
>pshaw@UARK.EDU writes:
>
><<
>i got fascinated with the way the actresses
>"speak".   they barely open their mouths, talk through their teeth.
> >>
>
>i never noticed that; i'm going to have to watch that on the show this
>afternoon.  so, who's your favorite sister?
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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From: Stephen H Karlson <ta0shk1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU>
> Westchester downstate?  Interesting, sort of like calling Evanston
> downstate.
>
> Carmel is clearly downstate, although bialys at a Baptist potluck
> make one
> think.

Uh, Carmel is in Putnam County, north of Westchester County. I think you are confused. Or standing on your head.

> Lake George, where the Crystal Beach Comet lives, is clearly downstate

NOT! Lake George is generally Upstate.

> (also the best bratwurst that side of Lake Michigan.)

I'll bet you've never had Karl Ehmer's http://www.karlehmer.com/index.asp?cat=2462

Marie

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02003-05-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> Lisa, if I ever sound like this about Missouri, twittify me.

You make an interesting point!

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Betty:

>Come to California! Are you looking at staying with the company and going
>to Jacksonville or Cleveland?

There's no R&D at those sites. Don't think they'd want me.

California's scary at the moment. I'll look around  here first.

>Betty, wishing you the best of luck!

Thanks.

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I stopped by the WB website and noticed that Brian Krause is
still listed, so maybe Leo will still be around.

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen:

>I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
>though--beware, Alec!

Nah. University IT jobs are not as vulnerable as those in the "real world".

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abht:

>Most of the Texas Democrat legislators are hiding out in Ardmore, Oklahoma
>at this hour, so that there can't be a quorum in Austin where they are
>supposed to be considering redistricting. Apparently the Department of
>Public Safety was told to find them and being them back to Austin, but
>they slipped across the border to Oklahoma and the DPS can't touch them.
>Efforts are underway to see if the retrieval can be made a Federal matter
>so the FBI or the US Marshals could be brought in to play.
>
>Probably won't make national news, but I was amused so I thought I'd share.

My favorite part of the story was that some Texan legislators pulled this
same stunt back in the 70s.

-rashmi

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At 10:20 PM 5/13/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>My favorite part of the story was that some Texan legislators pulled this
>same stunt back in the 70s.

It would seem that, given their cultural history, they should have gathered
in the Alamo.

cwv

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 5:32:00 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> It would seem that, given their cultural history, they should have gathered
> in the Alamo.

Or in the bar next door...

Karen

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>My favorite part of the story was that some Texan legislators pulled this
>same stunt back in the 70s.

NBC Is reporting the current story this evening.

Bethany

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    Isn't it usually against the law to "interfere with a legislative body" or
some such like just about everywhere?  If so, and since the legislators then
crossed a state line, its Tommy Lee Jones time!

JMW

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Today was the second consetive day of cloudy, misty, cool weather.  Good
Maine weather and the sort that one would like to bottle and save for
August.  We drove into the village to get the papers and have a latte at
Cafe Milagro.  Main Street was rather busy, so I had to drive part way down
toward the town pier to park.  It seemed that there were a lot of rather
elderly, clueless people at the intersections, looking around as if they
had landed on a new planet.  Bonnie remarked that it was just like
cruise-ship time.  As we parked, she looked out into the harbor and Lo!
there was one of the monster Princess Cruises' ships.  In May, of all
things!.  Not only that, but Lisa at Sherman's said that there had been one
ship in yesterday and another was due today at about 1030 EDT.

As we sat in Cafe Milagro, we watched the boat people wandering down the
sidewalk, much like a herd of elderly wildebeest sans a leader.  Bonnie
remarked that what we really need is a bunch of well-trained border collies
to keep these people organized.

Terrorism be damned---what we need is a curb on cruise ships in May.

cwv

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> this one similarity.   When they aren't "exclaiming" - they're talking
> through their teeth.

I noticed that a long time ago. It's the way high school drama teachers
don't let you speak on stage. The show mainly appeals to high school
girls--is it too much to suggest that letting them talk through their teeth
is some sort of rebellion against drama class? Yeah probably.

The thing I love about this show is that it is a total grrl power
experience. Guys are two kinds: evil and good. The good ones are p-whipped,
and the evil ones get vanquished. It's no wonder Cole had to leave the show.
The writers tried to find a schizophrenic middleground where evil is good,
and they ended up making the character go mad. The baby boy doesn't have a
chance in that household. I'll bet you that in the next season there is at
least one comical episode where he temporarily becomes a she.

It's a stupid goofy show with no redeeming value whatsoever and I wouldn't
miss it.

-aht

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> It's currently 24x7:
> <http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/me/0104.xml>.
>
> To aid your travel planning that day, they have a list of border crossing
> wait times you can check before you go:
> <http://forms.customs.gov/nemo/bordertimes/bordertimes.asp>

Thanks.  I must say that I have never had to wait in line at Jackman.  I
don't think I've even seen any other cars in the distance on the couple
of times I've crossed the border there.  It's a rather <bucolic>
setting.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Mass. General Hospital, where Tina works,  offers both a pension plan and a
> 403(b). They do not match on the 403(b) so at the present time Tina does
> not contribute.

That is what our situation is also -- a pension plan plus the
opportunity to contribute, non-matchingly, to a 403b.  Actually, there's
another choice for people hired in the past ten or so years -- something
like doing all of it via a Valic or TIAACREF or whatever.  The advantage
of that is its portability.  The disadvantage is that people who don't
move are much worse off than they would've been in the state retirement
system.  I've heard some people cursing their having chosen that route.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I didn't ask anything about 457b.  All I asked was the difference
> >between 401k and 403b.
>
> Check the URL I sent. There is much info - too much to post here. It has
> to  do with private vs. public, tax-exempt vs. non-tex-exempt, etc.

Thanks.  I must admit that I do not feel motivated to pursue the
research, though.  I was only vaguely curious about it.

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Love it! I think I'll have to move back!

Thanks for the coverage, NBC!

Bethany

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Stephen H Karlson wrote:
>
> The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has to
> get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
> disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
> reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
> be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
> power.

Huh?

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lisa alfieri wrote:
> >This is scary:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/13/business/media/13FCC.html
> >
> >You can send your opinion to the FCC here:
> >http://tinyurl.com/bn9o
>
> What's this say.. I don't have a NYT login.

It's in various other news sources.  I posted the NYT url because it was
handy at the time I was posting.  (I recommend a NYT login, btw -- it's
quick and easy and useful.)  In answer to your question, a move is being
considered by the FCC to rev way up the limit on the number of media
outlets a single company can own.  A few big companies could control
almost all of the tv channels and newspapers in this country.  The
narrowness of the news coverage by mainstream US media is already pretty
amazing.  This move could make it even worse.

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At 06:49 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Today was the second consetive day of cloudy, misty, cool weather.  Good
>Maine weather and the sort that one would like to bottle and save for
>August.  We drove into the village to get the papers and have a latte at
>Cafe Milagro.  Main Street was rather busy, so I had to drive part way down
>toward the town pier to park.  It seemed that there were a lot of rather
>elderly, clueless people at the intersections, looking around as if they
>had landed on a new planet.  Bonnie remarked that it was just like
>cruise-ship time.  As we parked, she looked out into the harbor and Lo!
>there was one of the monster Princess Cruises' ships.  In May, of all
>things!.  Not only that, but Lisa at Sherman's said that there had been one
>ship in yesterday and another was due today at about 1030 EDT.
>
>As we sat in Cafe Milagro, we watched the boat people wandering down the
>sidewalk, much like a herd of elderly wildebeest sans a leader.  Bonnie
>remarked that what we really need is a bunch of well-trained border collies
>to keep these people organized.
>
>Terrorism be damned---what we need is a curb on cruise ships in May.

Don't some business places make money off these same cruise ship people?

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Larry Clark wrote:
> >Makes me wonder how big the bill is gonna be, though
> >many hands did make fast work -- it didn't take them all that long.
>
> Excuse me? You hired this crew without a cost estimate?

Yep.  Other than that I first asked them about removing all the ivy and
was told that it would be a huge job, costing in the thousands, and that
removing just the alien growth in the ivy would be a small job, costing
probably in the low hundreds.  That was a couple of weeks ago because I
then had to deal with the bee situation, which I thought was totally
under control and which was fine yesterday while they were here, but I
noticed this afternoon that a bunch of bees are back.  Good timing.

Anyway, there are of course some disadvantages to small-town life, but
there are also some advantages.  I don't have to worry about being
ripped off by people like this since I know about them and since they
know that if they rip me off, others will quickly know.  Rip-offers
don't last long in small towns.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> ...she has always depended on the kindness of strangers...

Well, I'd never met them before I first called the owner to come advise
me about what turned out to be the pampass-grass-shield idea, for which
he charged me zero.  But I knew <about them>.  I know people who have
used them, a colleague of mine taught the owner in English lit survey
years ago, etc.  There aren't many real strangers in a town like this.

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In a message dated 05/13/2003 6:03:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
 It's no wonder Cole had to leave the show.
The writers tried to find a schizophrenic middleground where evil is good,
and they ended up making the character go mad.
>>

Well, I'm glad that Julian McMahon got another show; he plays a
plastic surgeon on a show that will start this summer.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
How do you catch a unique rabbit?

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I wish Politically Incorrect were still on; I'd love to hear what Bill Maher
and the group would say about this.

Evelyn Duncan
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>>Terrorism be damned---what we need is a curb on cruise ships in May.
>
>Don't some business places make money off these same cruise ship people?

Yes, millions.


    --bonniev

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out of a job.
> Time to update the resume and start looking.

Are you going to look in that vicinity, or will you look in faraway
places?  Do you plan on staying in the corporate world, or might you
consider returning to academia?  If the latter, I recommend MSU.  Your
branch is EE, right?  I think there are some pretty nice EEs around
here, though most of my engineering friends are retired or gone now.
And the ones I know best were ME or NE.

If you move to Starkville, you can hire landscapers without feeling the
need to get a precise cost estimate.  But we would be in violation of
the recently developed only-one-Wordsler-in-the-same-place rule.  And
you like cold weather, right?  So maybe this isn't a good suggestion.
Also, I don't know whether EE is hiring right now, though quite possibly
they are.  And there are also lots of non-teaching engineering jobs in
the ERC -- Engineering Research Center.

Speaking of the ERC, there was a funny moment at lunch today.  If the
psychologist who had invited Lev, the visiting Russian physicist, to
dinner at her house last weekend was telling the story accurately, he
was the person who brought the internet to Russia.  She claimed to have
found that on the web.  I don't remember his last name and thus can't
look.  But the funny part was that she later said that he is distantly
related to Al Gore, through some kind of mutual German ancestry.  We all
howled at the thought that the person who brought the internet to Russia
is related to the person who invented it.  He's on his way back to
Russia now.  Left today.  But he wants to come back for a longer stay.
(What all this has to do with the ERC is that that is where he was
hanging out during his month's stay here.)
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >I didn't realize you followed Texas state politics so closely.
> >
> >Karen
>
> I hate it when you're a twit.

I also hate it when Karen's a twit, but I also wondered how you were so
up on the Texas scene.

> My comments on the democratic party are generic. I think the party overall
> is seriously lacking these days and my opinion crosses state lines.

It probably shouldn't.

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At 04:07 PM 5/13/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:

>Don't some business places make money off these same cruise ship people?

The tour buses do fairly well---leaving behind their clouds of carcinogenic
fine particulates.  Some shops do OK, particularly Timberland, which must
have some sort of advertising tie-in on the ships (the boat people key on
Timberland like lemmings to the sea).  However, the bulk of Bar Harbor
businesses (motels, B&Bs, restaurants) don't see much of the boat
people---save for lunch, they aren't around to patronize such
places.  Moreover, this time of year, many of the shops and lunch-time
restaurants aren't even open.

cwv

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> My favorite part of the story was that some Texan legislators pulled this
> same stunt back in the 70s.

Yeah, some of them are still in office since the 70's. I remember the Killer
Bees from 1979. My representative's brother lives a couple of doors down. I
stopped him this evening and asked if he had heard from Aaron since they
went to Oklahoma. He emails me every morning, he responded. Well, I said,
when you write him back, tell him Anne says "fight the power, baby! I'm
rootin' for ya!" I love this place when folks up and pull stuff like this.

BTW, the politician in question is an old schoolmate, just so you understand
why he would know who "Anne" was.

This isn't just a silly Texas-sized publicity stunt, although it most
definitely is something designed to generate publicity. There are states'
rights issues at stake here and it wouldn 't be surprising if the
redistricting issue eventually ends up before the Supremes.

-aht

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Stephen H Karlson wrote:
>
> Westchester downstate?  Interesting, sort of like calling Evanston
> downstate.

Hey, Steve -- I still remember our telephone conversation about defining
the boundaries of the Midwest -- that time I accidentally answered the
phone during the Words-L answering-machine thing.  Even though I detest
telephones, I enjoyed that conversation with you.

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02003-05-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Stephen H Karlson wrote:
> >
> > The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has
> > to get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
> > disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
> > reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
> > be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
> > power.
>
> Huh?

Let me guess, you tried to parse it ... That was the mistake. It has
to be understood by a gestalt process, for the truths here are too
vast to be expressed within the constraints of grammar. They cannot
be stated; they can only be insinuated, and sometimes by recourse to
startlingly reminiscent formulas, such as "enemy of liberation". When
did you last read a pro-war sentiment expressed in anything approaching
good English? There is a reason for that--this is not the time or the
place to demand luxuries like comprehensible prose. As you recall, the
very reason for the war remains too subtle to be conveyed in anything
other than broad evocations of logic and bold strokes of statesmanship.
It is rather foolish now to say "huh" on smaller points ...

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Check the URL I sent. There is much info - too much to post here. It has
> > to  do with private vs. public, tax-exempt vs. non-tex-exempt, etc.
>
>         They're mostly the same, except 403(b)s are for non-profit
> corporations.

That fits with what I had thought -- that 401k's were in the <outside
world> while 403b's were at places like universities, which afaik are
considered non-profit entities.

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 Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be out >of a
job. Time to update the resume and start looking.

Best of luck!

Terry

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02003-05-13 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> The tour buses do fairly well---leaving behind their clouds of carcinogenic
> fine particulates.  Some shops do OK, particularly Timberland, which must
> have some sort of advertising tie-in on the ships (the boat people key on
> Timberland like lemmings to the sea).  However, the bulk of Bar Harbor
> businesses (motels, B&Bs, restaurants) don't see much of the boat
> people---save for lunch, they aren't around to patronize such
> places.  Moreover, this time of year, many of the shops and lunch-time
> restaurants aren't even open.

I have still not isolated the *objection* to these people. Maybe
looking like leaderless wildebeest is offensive to the looker's
senses?

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 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote about Rashmi:

> And
> you like cold weather, right?


Well, she was the only one who would go swimming in the Atlantic Ocean with
the children & me!

Terry

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-05-13 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Stephen H Karlson wrote:
> > >
> > > The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has
> > > to get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
> > > disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
> > > reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
> > > be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
> > > power.
> >
> > Huh?
>
> Let me guess, you tried to parse it ... That was the mistake. It has

Not really.  I was in a hurry with a big backlog of mail, having spent
much of today in practicing retirement by gardening -- two visits to the
earthy part of Wmart today, two visits to the co-op, plus lots of
digging and stuff.  A good day.  Anyway, I read Steve's posting quickly,
then read it again quickly, didn't get it, and decided to offer a huh?
and move on.

> When
> did you last read a pro-war sentiment expressed in anything approaching
> good English? There is a reason for that--this is not the time or the
> place to demand luxuries like comprehensible prose. As you recall, the
> very reason for the war remains too subtle to be conveyed in anything
> other than broad evocations of logic and bold strokes of statesmanship.
> It is rather foolish now to say "huh" on smaller points ...

Well, yes.  I have yet to hear or read any reason for the war that made
any sense, unless of course you're a major stockholder in Haliburton or
you're into imperialism in general.

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Terry Wild wrote:
> > And
> > you like cold weather, right?
>
> Well, she was the only one who would go swimming in the Atlantic Ocean with
> the children & me!

She might not be happy in Mississippi.  I am again reminded of the story
I've told here on probably more than one occasion of the young son of my
friends who moved to Winter Harbor poking a toe into the water there and
saying to his mother with horror, "This water gives my foot a headache!"

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> It's (un)official. This site's closing come August and I'll be
> out of a job.
> Time to update the resume and start looking.

Ack!! I'm sorry.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> There's no R&D at those sites. Don't think they'd want me.

Go work for DuPont and make them hurry up the development of the special
kind of violet laser printing plates we need for our new violet laser
platesetters! Cyrel, maybe they're called? I dunno, that's the <other side>
of the house. http://www.platedriver.com

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Karen:

I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
though--beware, Alec!

You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?

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The IHT doesn't require a password, and here's a column that was earlier
in the NYT.  (What I posted was the url of a news story, not a column,
but this column gives a good summary of the problem.)

http://www.iht.com/articles/96164.html

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At 07:46 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 04:07 PM 5/13/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>Don't some business places make money off these same cruise ship people?
>
>The tour buses do fairly well---leaving behind their clouds of carcinogenic
>fine particulates.  Some shops do OK, particularly Timberland, which must
>have some sort of advertising tie-in on the ships (the boat people key on
>Timberland like lemmings to the sea).  However, the bulk of Bar Harbor
>businesses (motels, B&Bs, restaurants) don't see much of the boat
>people---save for lunch, they aren't around to patronize such
>places.  Moreover, this time of year, many of the shops and lunch-time
>restaurants aren't even open.

Do the boat people have time to take the shuttle through the park at
all?  Even a short trip?

Betty

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At 08:30 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote about Rashmi:
>
>>And
>>you like cold weather, right?
>
>
>Well, she was the only one who would go swimming in the Atlantic Ocean with
>the children & me!

All of us went in at Block Island! Rashmi is adventurous though.

Betty

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> All of us went in at Block Island! Rashmi is adventurous though.
>
> Betty

You all must have gone in on a different day, maybe a warmer day. ;-)

Terry

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Betty wrote:

> All of us went in at Block Island! Rashmi is adventurous though.

We did?  I have no memory at all of swimming at BI.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> We did?  I have no memory at all of swimming at BI.

I don't think I even took a bathing suit to BI.  I did to Clambake
because I had this idea of wonderful swimming there, but I don't think I
bothered to take it to the actual site.  It stayed in my suitcase at
lovejudith's house.  I had already caught on that swimming wasn't
likely.  Besides, remember how we were all convinced that Fay and the
other ProjectH people were hiding out there on the rocks just off the
site?

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At 09:17 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>All of us went in at Block Island! Rashmi is adventurous though.
>>
>>Betty
>
>You all must have gone in on a different day, maybe a warmer day. ;-)

It was *hot*.  We went with Jim, Nancy, Emily, and , and

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At 08:16 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > All of us went in at Block Island! Rashmi is adventurous though.
>
>We did?  I have no memory at all of swimming at BI.

I can't remember your being there either. I think you were stayed at the bar.

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Betty wrote:

> >We did?  I have no memory at all of swimming at BI.
>
> I can't remember your being there either. I think you were stayed at the bar.

I was perhaps lusting after Bruce(?) at that time.  Wonder how he is.
Maybe I should go there again sometime solo and see how he is.

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--On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:20 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> I don't think I even took a bathing suit to BI.  I did to Clambake


Clambake was much cooler than BI.

Terry

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,

YaY!

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Anne Toal wrote:

> This isn't just a silly Texas-sized publicity stunt, although it most
> definitely is something designed to generate publicity. There are states'
> rights issues at stake here and it wouldn 't be surprising if the
> redistricting issue eventually ends up before the Supremes.

    I wouldn't either, but the issue is compliance with the Constitution.
States are compelled to redistrict their representative districts every ten
years following the results of the census.  Now, if the legislators of the grand
state of Texas choose to defy the United States Constitution that puts another
wheel on the wagon, don't it?

JMW

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Anne Toal wrote:

> This isn't just a silly Texas-sized publicity stunt, although it most
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> redistricting issue eventually ends up before the Supremes.

    My reply apparently got eaten

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Stephen H Karlson wrote:
> >
> > The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has to
> > get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
> > disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
> > reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
> > be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
> > power.
>
> Huh?
>

    You have to excuse the Kommadore.  He wasn't here when those on this
<service> were wishing for the incarceration without trial of those expressing
un-PC sentiments and who then suddenly discovered the 1st Amendment when it
served their purposes.

JMW

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 3:44:47 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Yes, you did mention that. I hope he finds something, too.

He will, but he has huge savings so his situation is not so
<critical>.

Karen

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Stephen H Karlson wrote:
> > >
> > > The guy self-described himself as "conservative."  All the same, he has to
> > > get a grip.  A boycott, or a spontaneous bulldozering of CDs, or a
> > > disinvitation to a party fails to rise to the level of mandatory diversity
> > > reeducation, which is what the opponents of the liberation of Iraq would
> > > be happy to impose on those who disagree with them, had they had the
> > > power.
> >
> > Huh?
> >
>
>     You have to excuse the Kommadore.  He wasn't here when those on this
> <service> were wishing for the incarceration without trial of those expressing
> un-PC sentiments and who then suddenly discovered the 1st Amendment when it
> served their purposes.

Huh?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Huh?

    Go to bed, Natalie.  We grownups are talking.

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > though--beware, Alec!
>
> > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
>

    Moi!  It can be more satisfying than you'll ever know.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:
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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Huh?
>
>     Go to bed, Natalie.  We grownups are talking.

It is almost time to go to bed, but I do wish you'd talk a bit more
coherently.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 9:06:44 PM, John Williams wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
>> > though--beware, Alec!
>>
>> > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
>>

>     Moi!  It can be more satisfying than you'll ever know.

But Rashmi and I are both homeowners--so we *should* know.

Karen

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I have seen similar scenarios for other jurisdictions, including Texas.
But FWIW, here's the Big Orange version:


Due to the popularity of the Survivor shows, Tennessee is planning to do
its own, entitled "Survivor-Tennessee Style."

The contestants will start in Jackson, travel up to Big Sandy and on to
Grinders Switch and Hohenwald. Then they will head over to Pulaski and
down to Fayetteville and over to Monteagle. From there they will proceed
up to Tracy City, then back around through Rock Island, Smithville,and
finally end up in Carthage.

Each will be driving a pink Volvo with Yankee license plates and a large
bumper sticker that reads: "I'm gay. I'm a vegetarian. Beer is harmful to
your health. The Vols suck. Vote YES for an income tax. Deer hunting is
murder, and I'm here to confiscate your guns!"

The first one that makes it to Carthage alive, wins. Good luck to all.

---

Bethany

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > > though--beware, Alec!
> >
> > > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
> >
>     Moi!  It can be more satisfying than you'll ever know.

What can be?  Buying a house?  I dunno.  I don't find it particularly
satisfying, but I do know that for us ordinary mortals it's <wise>.  If
I were rich, I'd rent.  But wait -- you addressed that "than you'll ever
know" to Karen, who does know what it's like to buy a house.  I do think
it's time to turn off the computer and go to bed.  I'm getting more and
more confused.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I can't get at my mail right now.  But I can send mail.  And I can read
words-l at the archives.  I can't start our new Scrabble game, Betty,
because even if you told me what room you started the game in, I wouldn't
have my password.  Sorry.

And the answer to your question about the boat people is that, yes, they do
get into the Park.   Special tour buses are arranged for and lined up at
the town pier for them.  Sometimes they even take a horse-drawn carriage
ride, stopping for lunch at the Jordan Pond House.  The cruise ships are
usually in port from around 9 a.m. to around 5 p.m.   While still on the
boat, they sign up for various activities.

However, it appears that many of them just mill around town, looking in the
shops, eating yet more food, and maybe doing the walking tour of the
village.  And that, Tushar, is the objectionable part of them -- they fill
the sidewalks with traffic which we locals are not yet used to.  We require
a breaking-in period each May and June to prepare us for the crowds of July
and August.  Thus, we object to the suddenness of a crowded village on a
foggy May morning when we think we should still mostly have the town to
ourselves.


    --bonniev

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At 09:02 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 8:00:27 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Karen:
>
> > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > though--beware, Alec!
>
> > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
>
>They aren't in tech. Sorry, I was thinking 'Wordslers in tech', but my
>fingers didn't catch up.
>
>Karen


Ryan is but he is son of wordslers.  He works here.

http://www.newport.com/semi/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> It is almost time to go to bed, but I do wish you'd talk a bit more
> coherently.

    That makes us even.  I wish you'd pay more attention.

JMW

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At 10:13 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>And the answer to your question about the boat people is that, yes, they do
>get into the Park.   Special tour buses are arranged for and lined up at
>the town pier for them.  Sometimes they even take a horse-drawn carriage
>ride, stopping for lunch at the Jordan Pond House.  The cruise ships are
>usually in port from around 9 a.m. to around 5 p.m.   While still on the
>boat, they sign up for various activities.

Oh, good. That would be a very nice outing for them and worth the stop.

How come you can't receive mail?

Betty

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>     My reply apparently got eaten

No, I read it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 8:00:27 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen:

> I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> though--beware, Alec!

> You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?

They aren't in tech. Sorry, I was thinking 'Wordslers in tech', but my
fingers didn't catch up.

Karen

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Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in Cuba?

Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in
Zimbabwe?
Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in the
Ivory Coast?  (So much so that the UN "peacekeepers" have had to flee
for their lives?)
Where's Danny Glover when we need him?  Does Martin Sheen have
laryngytis?  Is Michael Moore too busy cashing his check from Disney (!)
to make a movie saying that Bush financed 9/11 to care about people of
color?  Don't the Dixie Chicks care about their fan base to speak out?
And...where's Babs in all this?
Just wondering...

JMW

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>     I wouldn't either, but the issue is compliance with the Constitution.
>States are compelled to redistrict their representative districts every ten
>years following the results of the census.  Now, if the legislators of the
>grand
>state of Texas choose to defy the United States Constitution that puts another
>wheel on the wagon, don't it?      --JMW

Yes, Maine is doing it too.  The elected officials can't decide on a new
division.  So the state court is going to do it.


    --bonniev

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>How come you can't receive mail?
>Betty

There was just a temporary hang-up at my ISP.  All cleared up now.


    --bonniev

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Ditto on "stupid goofy show with no redeeming value whatsoever and I wouldn't
miss it."

Actually, I was wondering if the "talking through the teeth" thing had
something to do with braces and lots of dental work as teenagers.   I
started watching the teens that hang around here all the time and the ones
with braces seem to "talk through the teeth" more than the others.  Come to
think of it, one teen that hangs out here that doesn't "talk through her
teeth" is the only one in drama class and she doesn't have braces, either.
pj



At 06:02 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > this one similarity.   When they aren't "exclaiming" - they're talking
> > through their teeth.
>
>I noticed that a long time ago. It's the way high school drama teachers
>don't let you speak on stage. The show mainly appeals to high school
>girls--is it too much to suggest that letting them talk through their teeth
>is some sort of rebellion against drama class? Yeah probably.
>
>The thing I love about this show is that it is a total grrl power
>experience. Guys are two kinds: evil and good. The good ones are p-whipped,
>and the evil ones get vanquished. It's no wonder Cole had to leave the show.
>The writers tried to find a schizophrenic middleground where evil is good,
>and they ended up making the character go mad. The baby boy doesn't have a
>chance in that household. I'll bet you that in the next season there is at
>least one comical episode where he temporarily becomes a she.
>
>It's a stupid goofy show with no redeeming value whatsoever and I wouldn't
>miss it.
>
>-aht

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Or generalising from Illinois.  Everything in Illinois NOT in Chicagoland
is downstate.  I had forgotten that everything in New York not in the four
contiguous boroughs is called upstate.  (Presumably that would include
Carmel.)  Or is there a downstate in New York?

For what it's worth, the city of DeKalb recently moved the veterans'
monument, including a tank.  In the move, they turned it.  The barrel used
to point toward Chicago.  It now points away from Chicago.  Does that mean
DeKalb is now officially Chicagoland?

I will check out the bratwurst website  and see if there's anything of
interest.  Buddha's (of Green Bay) rules and Ream's (of Elburn and
Wordstock) are pretty good.

> > Westchester downstate?  Interesting, sort of like calling Evanston
> > downstate.
> >
> > Carmel is clearly downstate, although bialys at a Baptist potluck
> > make one
> > think.
>
> Uh, Carmel is in Putnam County, north of Westchester County. I think you are confused. Or standing on your head.
>
> > Lake George, where the Crystal Beach Comet lives, is clearly downstate
>
> NOT! Lake George is generally Upstate.
>
> > (also the best bratwurst that side of Lake Michigan.)
>
> I'll bet you've never had Karl Ehmer's http://www.karlehmer.com/index.asp?cat=2462

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Thanks.  Defining the Midwest is probably easier than defining where
"downstate" begins in Illinois.  Then there's the little matter of the
State Line, where both Packer fans and Bear fans are safe.

I wish I could recall precisely what we agreed on ... we wanted to include
Syracuse and Buffalo but weren't sure whether to cut east or west of
Pittsburgh.

> Hey, Steve -- I still remember our telephone conversation about defining
> the boundaries of the Midwest -- that time I accidentally answered the
> phone during the Words-L answering-machine thing.  Even though I detest
> telephones, I enjoyed that conversation with you.

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At least some of us went swimming.  But not everybody went on that trip
(involved a lot of walking, camp to downtown to beach to back downtown to
cash station to downtown to back to camp.)  Somebody did take a picture.
This was a different day from the day at the lobster pound (was that the
4th?)

> > All of us went in at Block Island! Rashmi is adventurous though.
>
> We did?  I have no memory at all of swimming at BI.

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> > > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > > though--beware, Alec!
>
> > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?

>Moi!  It can be more satisfying than you'll ever know.

Sorry. I was listing "recent" new homeowners and don't remember when
you moved.

I think maybe Espen and Amy moved in the same time-frame.

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>> Huh?
>
>    Go to bed, Natalie.  We grownups are talking.
>
>JMW

John: this is utterly uncalled for.  And not a terribly grownup thing to say.

What I want to know is this: what parallel list have you been reading,
whose members have called for, and these are your exact words, "the
incarceration without trial of those expressing un-PC sentiments"?

I am inclined to think that your farrago of hyperbole was sheer and utter
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either a citation or a retraction, and if you provide neither you must hold
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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 3:38:18 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I'm the world's worst job hunter and am hoping to channel some of
> Karen's skills in that area.

You should channel my friend John--he's had 3 interviews in the last
month.

Karen

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Lisa:

>I think Tina started watching for the eye candy too, Sidney! We both like
>  the fight scenes with her.

Jennifer Garner's great in the fight scenes. And she pulls off all the
cheesy costumes they come up with for her.

-rashmi

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 10:50:32 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Jennifer Garner's great in the fight scenes. And she pulls off all the
> cheesy costumes they come up with for her.

I think the whole show is cheesy and incomprehensible.

Maybe I'm just old.

Karen

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Nice to be able to read all your postings again. I'm just back from a 2-day
workshop on Caregiving/Dementia. Perhaps it was due to the location that the
content seemed to be very policy/stat oriented. I wish there had been more
practical information /workshops. OTOH, I did learn about a lot of resources
that should prove immensely helpful. And I finally have a better grip on
understanding the basics about MediCal/Medicare/Medicaid. I'm not so sure I
am all that comfortable with people hiding their financial assets in order
to have the government pick up more of the tab, though. Easy for me to say,
I know. It not being my tab....yet.

Sandra

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Best wishes to the jobseekers.  Houseowning jinx?  Can't contribute here
... I got the department recommendation for tenure, bought the house, only
then started hanging out at the list.  But despite finishing the main line
of the railroad tonight, it may be time to shop for a new basement, after
all the hassles fitting the tracks into the space.

Oh, by the way, Natalie, in Life According to Daschle, you are rich.

> > > > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > > > though--beware, Alec!
> > >
> > > > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
> > >
> >     Moi!  It can be more satisfying than you'll ever know.
>
> What can be?  Buying a house?  I dunno.  I don't find it particularly
> satisfying, but I do know that for us ordinary mortals it's <wise>.  If
> I were rich, I'd rent.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com

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As of this evening, the Gloucester Branch is complete from the Everett
furnace spur through Gloucester to Rockport.  Test freight cars have been
propelled using the GHA 0-5-0 but the wiring is not yet in place.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu   OSK 196 GOG 12507

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Rashmi Murthy:
= Karen:
=
= I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
= though--beware, Alec!
=
= You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
=
chopped liver, though at this point then you're going back to
december 2000.

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Phyllis Shaw wrote:

> Actually, I was wondering if the "talking through the teeth" thing had
> something to do with braces and lots of dental work as teenagers.   I
> started watching the teens that hang around here all the time and the ones
> with braces seem to "talk through the teeth" more than the others.  Come to
> think of it, one teen that hangs out here that doesn't "talk through her
> teeth" is the only one in drama class and she doesn't have braces, either.


        It seems to be more common among my bitchy/sad sack girls.


--
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John Williams wrote:

> Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in Cuba?


        Miami.  Isn't that what the embargo is for?


> Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in
> Zimbabwe?
> Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in the
> Ivory Coast?  (So much so that the UN "peacekeepers" have had to flee
> for their lives?)
> Where's Danny Glover when we need him?  Does Martin Sheen have
> laryngytis?  Is Michael Moore too busy cashing his check from Disney (!)
> to make a movie saying that Bush financed 9/11 to care about people of
> color?


Huh?  Anyway, France is in charge of Ivory Coast.

>Don't the Dixie Chicks care about their fan base to speak out?


They were in St. Louis the other night.  I don't know

where they are on tour now.  I particularly enjoyed it when
they got naked for the cause.

It's hard to take you seriously when you get so vituperative.




--
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> Huh?  Anyway, France is in charge of Ivory Coast.

Indeed? "In charge of"?

Non.

Not since 1960.

AS

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I know the Holiday Inn in Ardmore.
Stayed there many times on my way
to Texas.

               - D. M.

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in Cuba?
>
> Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in
> Zimbabwe?
> Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in the
> Ivory Coast?

Waiting for Dubya to send in the liberation forces.

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Phyllis Shaw wrote:

> something to do with braces and lots of dental work as teenagers.   I

This reminds me of the tv commercial of the little girl whose parents
bought a big-screen tv instead of braces for her.  Have any of you seen
it?  Are those her real teeth?  If so, doesn't she feel <bad> being in
that tv commercial that makes fun of her teeth?

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Stephen H Karlson wrote:

> I wish I could recall precisely what we agreed on ... we wanted to include
> Syracuse and Buffalo but weren't sure whether to cut east or west of
> Pittsburgh.

I can't remember what we decided on either.  I think I deferred to your
judgment as a Midwesterner, but I don't remember what the final judgment
was.

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Stephen H Karlson wrote:
>
> At least some of us went swimming.  But not everybody went on that trip
> (involved a lot of walking, camp to downtown to beach to back downtown to
> cash station to downtown to back to camp.)  Somebody did take a picture.

I remember that now.  I wasn't in the group, but I remember that y'all
made a long hike to swim and that pictures were at some point online.

What was it that you and I and I think Emily and Rashmi were going to do
that last morning but couldn't because the place was closed?  Something
involving airplanes and water iirc.  I remember that we hung around the
beach area for a long time and then had to give up the mission.  And I
remember after getting home making up a fictional posting about it, with
you lost at sea I think.  But it's crazy that I can't remember exactly
what the experience was going to be.

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Bookrat wrote:
>
> >> Huh?
> >
> >    Go to bed, Natalie.  We grownups are talking.
> >
> >JMW
>
> John: this is utterly uncalled for.  And not a terribly grownup thing to say.

I thought it was funny.  JMW is cute when he gets all riled up.

> What I want to know is this: what parallel list have you been reading,
> whose members have called for, and these are your exact words, "the
> incarceration without trial of those expressing un-PC sentiments"?
>
> I am inclined to think that your farrago of hyperbole was sheer and utter
> bullshit, and I am calling you on your bluff.  It's up to you to provide
> either a citation or a retraction, and if you provide neither you must hold
> your manhood cheap.

Of course it was sheer and utter bullshit.

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S Hess wrote:

>  I'm not so sure I
> am all that comfortable with people hiding their financial assets in order
> to have the government pick up more of the tab, though. Easy for me to say,
> I know. It not being my tab....yet.

I find that totally crooked, even though there are ways to do it
<legally>, and I am amazed that many of the crooks who engage in the
practice talk about it openly as if it's a just-fine thing to do.  I
read a good Newsweek column about that sometime in the past year or so,
written by somebody who was indeed in a position to have profited
greatly by playing that game but who was not willing to sacrifice her
moral principles to do so.  I agreed with her completely.

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From: Stephen H Karlson <ta0shk1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU>
> I had forgotten that everything in New
> York not in the four
> contiguous boroughs is called upstate.  (Presumably that would include
> Carmel.)  Or is there a downstate in New York?

Yes. Downstate is the *five* boroughs of New York, Long Island, and then I would say also at least Westchester, Rockland and Putnam Counties (making Putnam really Downstate unless you're a provincial city-dweller). Although I don't know that there's a real definition, as much as the word Downstate is used -- it's in the Federal Register somewhere with Westchester listed as Downstate for whatever that's worth.

Marie

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Then you should have left out the 'buying houses' part. And the 'Wordslers' part, for that matter.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: PS, Rashmi

> Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 8:00:27 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > Karen:
>
> > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > though--beware, Alec!
>
> > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
>
> They aren't in tech. Sorry, I was thinking 'Wordslers in tech',
> but my
> fingers didn't catch up.
>
> Karen
>

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Natalie:

>What was it that you and I and I think Emily and Rashmi were going to do
>that last morning but couldn't because the place was closed?

Para-sailing. I'm still disappointed we didn't make it.

I'd forgotten (blanked out ?) how infernally hot BI was. Yech.

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steph:

>= I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
>= though--beware, Alec!
>=
>= You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
>=
>chopped liver, though at this point then you're going back to
>december 2000.

I couldn't remember when you moved. I'm going back 3-5 years for my
data so you're fair game.

Way I see it, you're in tech and have a job, iow, a counter-point to
Karen's jinx theory.

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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 16:39, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > No way. You're a total freak.
> > >
> > > Marie
> >
> > Thanks, I think!
> >
> > We <used> to spell it "freke".
>
> "Phreake"...
>
> Tony H.
>
 Phreek. Phreke. Phreak. hmm. It's all a haze...
clo

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Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 7:37:10 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Way I see it, you're in tech and have a job, iow, a counter-point to
> Karen's jinx theory.

Not if I started the trend.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy:
= steph:
=
= >= I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
= >= though--beware, Alec!
= >=
= >= You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
= >=
= >chopped liver, though at this point then you're going back to
= >december 2000.
=
= I couldn't remember when you moved. I'm going back 3-5 years for my
= data so you're fair game.
=
= Way I see it, you're in tech and have a job, iow, a counter-point to
= Karen's jinx theory.
=

does this mean I get to call her a newbie now?

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She eats barbecue. I went to Dale, TX yesterday, and on the way back
we stopped for lunch in Lockhart. When I was putting it away last
night, there were some tiny scraps left, so I gave them to the cat,
who snarfed them down and asked for more.

Karen

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> I'd forgotten (blanked out ?) how infernally hot BI was. Yech.

Not just hot: hot with no air conditioning. There was nowhere to get away
from it. It was a hellish week. On retrospect, I think we should have bailed
early on, counting the thousand-dollar expense on the rental house as an
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-aht

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Tue, 13 May 2003, Tony Harminc wrote:
=
= > On Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 16:39, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
= >
= > > > No way. You're a total freak.
= > > >
= > > > Marie
= > >
= > > Thanks, I think!
= > >
= > > We <used> to spell it "freke".
= >
= > "Phreake"...
= >
= > Tony H.
= >
=  Phreek. Phreke. Phreak. hmm. It's all a haze...
= clo

Whhat's the deal with the e on the end?

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From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > I'd forgotten (blanked out ?) how infernally hot BI was. Yech.
>
> Not just hot: hot with no air conditioning. There was nowhere to
> get away
> from it. It was a hellish week. On retrospect, I think we should
> have bailed
> early on, counting the thousand-dollar expense on the rental house
> as an
> expensive lesson.

What a whiner!

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Para-sailing. I'm still disappointed we didn't make it.

That's right!  I'm disappointed also.

> I'd forgotten (blanked out ?) how infernally hot BI was. Yech.

Providence the day or two after that was even worse.  I've never spent a
night as miserable as that one in Providence.  I was mightily happy to
head home.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 06:08 PM 5/13/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Do the boat people have time to take the shuttle through the park at
>all?  Even a short trip?

Bonnie answered this in part.  The shuttle will not begin operating until
about the third week of June.  There is considerable debate now about the
extent to which the cruise ships use (and nearly overwhelm) the free
shuttle.  Obviously, a free shuttle service is available to anyone, but the
feeling is that the cruise lines should provide the mass transportation for
their customers.

For those who may not have been around during earlier descriptions of the
shuttle---it was established through grants from DOT, funds from USDI, and
private funding in order to alleviate the impacts of vehicle use in
ANP.  It has proven very popular; use has increased substantially each
year. Last year LL Bean provided a million-dollar grant to expand the
service; this year, there will be more buses (propane powered) and the
service will operate later---into the leaf-peeping season.

cwv

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At 06:57 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > >I didn't realize you followed Texas state politics so closely.
> > >
> > >Karen
> >
> > I hate it when you're a twit.
>
>I also hate it when Karen's a twit, but I also wondered how you were so
>up on the Texas scene.

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that I did start my
original post off by saying that my opinions didn't mean a whole hell of a
lot given  the story had no direct impact on me.


> > My comments on the democratic party are generic. I think the party overall
> > is seriously lacking these days and my opinion crosses state lines.
>
>It probably shouldn't.

If the news story crosses state lines, btw it made it's way to my local
news last night, then it's fodder for my opinion.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:02 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The IHT doesn't require a password, and here's a column that was earlier
>in the NYT.  (What I posted was the url of a news story, not a column,
>but this column gives a good summary of the problem.)
>
>http://www.iht.com/articles/96164.html
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Thanks Natalie, I enjoyed the article.

lisa

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At 08:36 PM 5/13/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>lisa:
>
>>Rashmi, I'm sorry to hear that. At the very least you won't be blind sided
>>when the "official" word goes out.
>
>The rumor that started 3 (?) weeks ago has been confirmed-plenty of
>time for it to sink in. Sad thing is we have a good group here and there's
>plenty of work to do. We got caught up in a bad situation that had
>little to do with us.

I've seen this happen more often than I've seen companies go completely
bankrupt. It's a very frustrating scene.

lisa

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>>Do the boat people have time to take the shuttle through the park at
>>all?  Even a short trip?
>
>Bonnie answered this in part.  The shuttle will not begin operating until
>about the third week of June.  There is considerable debate now about the
>extent to which the cruise ships use (and nearly overwhelm) the free
>shuttle.       --cwv

Also, please not that the free shuttle buses are not meant for tours of the
Park.  There is Ollie's Trolley and The National Park Service buses for
that purpose.  They do charge a fee.  The shuttle buses run distinct routes
which are meant to get people to the trail heads of hikes in the Park, to
Sand Beach, to Blackwoods Campground, to the airport which is off island,
from hotels and other campgrounds into the village of Bar Harbor, and to
Southwest Harbor on the other side of the island.   The shuttle buses do
not go to the summit of Mount Cadillac although the tour buses
do.  Tourists, locals, and workers all use the shuttles.  The purpose is to
cut down on car traffic and parking needs in the Park and in the Villages.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

>>The rumor that started 3 (?) weeks ago has been confirmed-plenty of
>>time for it to sink in. Sad thing is we have a good group here and there's
>>plenty of work to do. We got caught up in a bad situation that had
>>little to do with us.
>
>I've seen this happen more often than I've seen companies go completely
>bankrupt. It's a very frustrating scene.

Harriman (TN) is losing Roane Hosiery. It seems that too few of us now
wear pantyhose, knee-highs, etc., to keep factories in business.
They're going out of business. The big downturn in hosiery sales, they
say, was 1997, though the trend was in place by the early 90s.

Bethany

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I was thinking about you and your unemployment last night. Your comment
about being as sincere as you possibly could be, when responding to Rashmi,
resonated with me.

My friend Kevin has also been out of work for 2 years. We communicate via
an on-line forum that was set up for former employees of the company where
he and I met. On-line he doesn't seem all that bad. He talks about movies,
television and assorted other nonsense (that's the nature of the group).
Occasionally he updates us on his plans/attempts to become a math teacher.

The few times I've seen him off line, I've been amazed at the change in
him. Tina and I ran into him a couple weeks ago. She'd never met him before
and liked him a lot. Later on she said, "you know your friend is great  but
he seems incredibly depressed, you should get in touch with him and ask him
to go out or something".

Being in high tech myself, I'm trying to prepare myself should there be
another round of layoffs here. Even the planning and worrying is exhausting.

So I've been sitting here thinking about the toll long term unemployment
takes. How it must be somewhat hard to wish someone else good luck when you
need that luck yourself.

The short of the long is, I'm glad you've been able to keep your head above
water for as long as you have and I hope you don't have to do it for much
longer.

Good luck Karen,

lisa

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At 04:04 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>        Shoot.  I can't remember which hospital my sister in law
>works for.  It might be St. Elizabeth.  But it would be
>really cool if she worked with Queen LaTina.

If she worked with Queen LaTina you'd no doubt be hearing stories about her
crazy coworker!

lisa

--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> They were in St. Louis the other night.  I don't know
>
> where they are on tour now.  I particularly enjoyed it when
> they got naked for the cause.

    Those were stunt bodies.

JMW

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Bookrat wrote:

> What I want to know is this: what parallel list have you been reading,
> whose members have called for, and these are your exact words, "the
> incarceration without trial of those expressing un-PC sentiments"?

    This one.

> I am inclined to think that your farrago of hyperbole was sheer and utter
> bullshit, and I am calling you on your bluff.  It's up to you to provide
> either a citation or a retraction, and if you provide neither you must hold
> your manhood cheap.

    Do you want their names?  There were three of them.

JMW

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SHK:
>Buddha's (of Green Bay) rules and Ream's (of Elburn and

A man of your obviously refined tastes
knows about The Wurst Kitchen in Aurora,
right?

>Wordstock) are pretty good.
^^^^^^^^^^^

!!!

--
Richard       matthias, paper - joe bars, rock

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JMW:

> They were in St. Louis the other night.  I don't know
>
> where they are on tour now.  I particularly enjoyed it when
> they got naked for the cause.


>    Those were stunt bodies.

JMW, if you've seen it once, you've seen it a thousand times here: Don't go
a' cluttering fakts with facts!

And yer manhood ain't held cheap neither!

AS, Touched by a (Prime) Meeber

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-rashmi:
> Nah. University IT jobs are not as vulnerable as those in the "real world".

>From your keyboard to God's ears...

The UNO Chancellor's proposed solution
to the money crisis here* is to create
_another_ administrative position.

* "here" meaning UNO, not Loyola (job #2 of 3)

--
Richard       matthias, paper - joe bars, rock

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>
>I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
>though--beware, Alec!
>
>Karen
>

Yes,

I am aware of this issue.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:59 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: PS, Rashmi
>
>
>Betty:
>
>>Come to California! Are you looking at staying with the
>company and going
>>to Jacksonville or Cleveland?
>
>There's no R&D at those sites. Don't think they'd want me.
>
>California's scary at the moment. I'll look around  here first.
>
>>Betty, wishing you the best of luck!
>
>Thanks.
>
Does Drexel have any teaching jobs available? You have a good history, I
imagine.


alec

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> > > My comments on the democratic party are generic. I think the party overall
> > > is seriously lacking these days and my opinion crosses state lines.
> >
> >It probably shouldn't.
>
> If the news story crosses state lines, btw it made it's way to my local
> news last night, then it's fodder for my opinion.

I don't think we're <on the same page> here.  I meant you should
probably not assume that local Democrats are the same in all
localities.  That may be changing to some extent, of course.  I've
watched it change quite a bit in Mississippi, for example, as the old
Dixiecrats die off or retire.  But certainly throughout much of my life
local Democrats were often Republicans at heart.  I'm sure there are
still a good many local variations in The Party.

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>The UNO Chancellor's proposed solution
to the money crisis here* is to create
_another_ administrative position.

>* "here" meaning UNO, not Loyola (job #2 of 3)

>Richard

Yes -- the status quo strikes yet again! This is exactly what was effected
in my former Unit where five people were terminated last year.

(Yours Truly smelled blood early on and jumped ship in perfect timing ...)

I am told it is not at all uncommon now during campus interviews for
applicants to pose questions regarding how a position is funded ...

A "Worked For Me" S

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John Williams wrote:
>
> Bookrat wrote:
>
> > What I want to know is this: what parallel list have you been reading,
> > whose members have called for, and these are your exact words, "the
> > incarceration without trial of those expressing un-PC sentiments"?
>
>     This one.
>
> > I am inclined to think that your farrago of hyperbole was sheer and utter
> > bullshit, and I am calling you on your bluff.  It's up to you to provide
> > either a citation or a retraction, and if you provide neither you must hold
> > your manhood cheap.
>
>     Do you want their names?  There were three of them.

I'm not Boo, but I'll answer yes -- names with cites, please.

Meanwhile, a major frog-strangler is underway.  I hope my newly planted
flora aren't getting strangled along with the toadfrogs.

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At 10:48 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tuesday, May 13, 2003, 3:38:18 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > I'm the world's worst job hunter and am hoping to channel some of
> > Karen's skills in that area.
>
>You should channel my friend John--he's had 3 interviews in the last
>month.

Our new systems hire quit after two weeks to go to a better paying job.
Maybe things are picking up? Good luck to all of you looking.

Betty

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"again, all around" wrote:

> * "here" meaning UNO, not Loyola (job #2 of 3)

What's #3?

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We need photos of this!

Betty

At 10:59 PM 5/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Best wishes to the jobseekers.  Houseowning jinx?  Can't contribute here
>... I got the department recommendation for tenure, bought the house, only
>then started hanging out at the list.  But despite finishing the main line
>of the railroad tonight, it may be time to shop for a new basement, after
>all the hassles fitting the tracks into the space.
>
>Oh, by the way, Natalie, in Life According to Daschle, you are rich.
>
> > > > > I think there must be something about Wordslers buying houses,
> > > > > though--beware, Alec!
> > > >
> > > > > You left out Marie, Natalie, Ben, Betty's son - who am I forgetting?
> > > >
> > >     Moi!  It can be more satisfying than you'll ever know.
> >
> > What can be?  Buying a house?  I dunno.  I don't find it particularly
> > satisfying, but I do know that for us ordinary mortals it's <wise>.  If
> > I were rich, I'd rent.
>
>Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
>http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Does Drexel have any teaching jobs available? You have a good history, I
> imagine.

I just checked the MSU EE website and found two jobs Rashmi can apply
for.

Department Head:
http://www.ece.msstate.edu/employ/dhad.html

Faculty position, open rank:
http://www.ece.msstate.edu/employ/faculty-general.html

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Natalie:
>> * "here" meaning UNO, not Loyola (job #2 of 3)
> What's #3?

Tulane.

I get a lot of exercise.

--
Richard       matthias, paper - joe bars, rock

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We went to see "Bend it Like Beck ham" last night. Very cute, fun, flick.

I would even consider learning to play soccer if my boss hadn't torn his
achilles tendon last week during the "friendly" company match.

lisa

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   But certainly throughout much of my life
> local Democrats were often Republicans at heart.  I'm sure there are
> still a good many local variations in The Party.

    Hmmmm.  Is there a Democratic counterpart to RINOs?
    (Republican In Name Only.)

JMW

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At 11:05 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>We went to see "Bend it Like Beck ham" last night. Very cute, fun, flick.
>
>I would even consider learning to play soccer if my boss hadn't torn his
>achilles tendon last week during the "friendly" company match.

Ouch!

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as we were emptying out into the cold wet fog:

"He told me my mother was -hot-. . . . HeLLOo - that's my MOther ..."

"GROSS."

[disgustedly]" . . . so of course I -told- her."


Then they just started trashing the dope who said her mother was hot,
and I didn't get to hear what her mother said, dammit.

Ann

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'm not Boo, but I'll answer yes -- names with cites, please.

    For the last two days I have been uncommonly demure, and I will continue to be
so even though it means I must self-censor my first five replies to this.  If no
one else remembers that ugliness, well, then, merciful Mnemosyne, I suppose.

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

> >   But certainly throughout much of my life
> > local Democrats were often Republicans at heart.  I'm sure there are
> > still a good many local variations in The Party.
>
>     Hmmmm.  Is there a Democratic counterpart to RINOs?
>     (Republican In Name Only.)

I don't know of an acronym, though there may be one.  Blue Dogs is the
most common term, I think.

And speaking of Republicans, I just sent e-mail to two of them -- Thad
and Trent -- asking them to vote no to any tax cuts.  Futile exercise, I
realize, but I think it's important to communicate with one's elected
officials.  I pondered whether to leave my Dean sig intact.  I certainly
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I decided to remove it -- decided that it was <in bad taste> to leave it
on such correspondence.  I needed to change the sig anyway, giving my
whole name and my street address.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> >     Hmmmm.  Is there a Democratic counterpart to RINOs?
> >     (Republican In Name Only.)
>
> I don't know of an acronym, though there may be one.  Blue Dogs is the
> most common term, I think.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that that term would be applied
to anybody except the group of Representatives who I think gave
themselves the label.  Maybe it has spread to anybody like them, but I'm
not sure that it has.  Does anybody know?

> And speaking of Republicans, I just sent e-mail to two of them -- Thad
> and Trent -- asking them to vote no to any tax cuts.  Futile exercise, I

E-mail is so much more pleasant than sending snail-mail was.  I truly
gagged in addressing envelopes to "The Honorable" Trent Lott.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

(citing JMW, text slipped at Reading.)

> > Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in
> > Zimbabwe?
> > Where are all the demonstrators against the human rights abuses in the
> > Ivory Coast?  (So much so that the UN "peacekeepers" have had to flee
> > for their lives?)
> > Where's Danny Glover when we need him?  Does Martin Sheen have
> > laryngytis?  Is Michael Moore too busy cashing his check from Disney (!)
> > to make a movie saying that Bush financed 9/11 to care about people of
> > color?
>
>
> Huh?  Anyway, France is in charge of Ivory Coast.

Precisely, and making a hash of it.  There's a reason I provide a
permalink to InstaPundit.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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From: Stephen H Karlson <ta0shk1@corn.cso.niu.edu>
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Subject: Re: PS, Rashmi
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Four of us on a kite towed behind a powerboat.  The ambient winds were
perfect for Laser sailing but too strong for that kind of kite riding.
But we had to catch the Pt. Judith boat and somehow get all our kit into
my first blue bunny (I have a new blue bunny now with slightly more cargo
room.)

> I remember that now.  I wasn't in the group, but I remember that y'all
> made a long hike to swim and that pictures were at some point online.
>
> What was it that you and I and I think Emily and Rashmi were going to do
> that last morning but couldn't because the place was closed?  Something
> involving airplanes and water iirc.  I remember that we hung around the
> beach area for a long time and then had to give up the mission.  And I
> remember after getting home making up a fictional posting about it, with
> you lost at sea I think.  But it's crazy that I can't remember exactly
> what the experience was going to be.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

That's interesting.  Carmel might be for Federal Register purposes part of
this region (must be some tax benefit or pork barrel involved) but it's
behaviorally light years from the four *contiguous* boroughs, bialys at a
Baptist potluck notwithstanding.

> Yes. Downstate is the *five* boroughs of New York, Long Island, and then I would say also at least Westchester, Rockland and Putnam Counties (making Putnam really Downstate unless you're a provincial city-dweller). Although I don't know that there's a real definition, as much as the word Downstate is used -- it's in the Federal Register somewhere with Westchester listed as Downstate for whatever that's worth.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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Puts a different perspective on those conditions on Block Island.  If
memory serves the real heat was on, on the mainland.  There were a couple
of days down 'Lanta way that were pretty nasty too, not that it stopped me
from riding all the coasters at Six Flags and spending a heck of a lot of
money on trains.

> Meanwhile, a major frog-strangler is underway.  I hope my newly planted
> flora aren't getting strangled along with the toadfrogs.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393

Great Lakes weather wisdom: if you don't like it, just wait.

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Nice to be able to read all your postings again.

I'm just back from a 2-day workshop on Caregiving/Dementia. Perhaps it was
due to the location (Sacramento, our State Capitol) that the content seemed
to be very policy/stat oriented. I wish there had been more practical
information /workshops. OTOH, I did learn about a lot of resources that
should prove immensely helpful. And I finally have a better grip on
understanding the basics about MediCal/Medicare/Medicaid. I'm not so sure I
am all that comfortable with people hiding their financial assets in order
to have the government pick up more of the tab, though. Easy for me to say,
I know. It not being my tab....yet.

Sandra

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At 08:30 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote about Rashmi:
>
>>And
>>you like cold weather, right?
>
>
>Well, she was the only one who would go swimming in the Atlantic Ocean
>with the children & me!
>
>Terry

I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.

lisa

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Neal:
<mr snippy was here>

Hey Neal!  What's this "H" I see
in the pitching details in these
newfangled box scores?  I know
what a BS is, but what's an H?

My web search skills don't seem
to be up to this challenge.

--
Richard       matthias, paper - joe bars, rock

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> On Wed, 14 May 2003 06:49:27 -0500, Anne Toal
> <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> >http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030514-113049.shtml
>
> Hey Anne, educate me.
>
> What crime did the Dems commit that would prompt Governor Perry
> to send out
> the Texas Rangers to try to *arrest* them?
>
> Is playing hooky a crime in Texas?
>
> Then again, with Tom Delay's thuggish attempt to overturn the legitimate
> redistricting already accomplished, abetted by Craddick and his
> Texas House
> pals, perhaps the "crime" of the Dems was that they left the scene of the
> Republican crime.
>
> neal

They're paid public servants. They didn't show up to do the work that they
were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.

Sandra

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Neal, on a "hold":
>Supposedly designed as a quantity to
>measure the effectiveness of setup men.

Egad.  A special stat for <setup> men?
The existence of a save is bad enough.

--
Big Train

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S Hess wrote:
>
> Nice to be able to read all your postings again.
>
> I'm just back from a 2-day workshop on Caregiving/Dementia. Perhaps it was
> due to the location (Sacramento, our State Capitol) that the content seemed
> to be very policy/stat oriented. I wish there had been more practical
> information /workshops. OTOH, I did learn about a lot of resources that
> should prove immensely helpful. And I finally have a better grip on
> understanding the basics about MediCal/Medicare/Medicaid. I'm not so sure I
> am all that comfortable with people hiding their financial assets in order
> to have the government pick up more of the tab, though. Easy for me to say,
> I know. It not being my tab....yet.
>
> Sandra

Sandra,
I meant to reply to your initial post at some length, but personal
events caught me up and then you were nomail.

I strongly suggest that you get a copy of "The 36 Hour Day", if you
haven't seen it before. It was very very helpful for us when my husband
and I were going through this with my father-in-law.

It's a long story and I'll save it for later, in case it seems relevant;
but definitely do check this book out. It was new back then, which means
there should be an updated version now.

clo

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Wed, 14 May 2003 07:47:06 -0500, Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>> I'd forgotten (blanked out ?) how infernally hot BI was. Yech.
>
>Not just hot: hot with no air conditioning. There was nowhere to get away
>from it. It was a hellish week. On retrospect, I think we should have bailed
>early on, counting the thousand-dollar expense on the rental house as an
>expensive lesson.
>
>-aht

That's really funny ... southerners -aht and Natalie complaining about Block
Island heat.

I don't remember BI being hot, not in any way like these complaints.  Oh, it
was fairly <hot>, but it wasn't anywhere close to HOT like on the mainland
during and after our time on the island.  Hell, I rode my bike from one end
of the island to the other, uphill and down, and didn't feel overheated or
unduly stressed by the effort.

Hellish, on the other hand...  Yeah, there was some of that at our house,
but it had nothing to do with the climate.

neal

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> S Hess wrote:
> >
> > Nice to be able to read all your postings again.
> >
> > I'm just back from a 2-day workshop on Caregiving/Dementia.
> Perhaps it was
> > due to the location (Sacramento, our State Capitol) that the
> content seemed
> > to be very policy/stat oriented. I wish there had been more practical
> > information /workshops. OTOH, I did learn about a lot of resources that
> > should prove immensely helpful. And I finally have a better grip on
> > understanding the basics about MediCal/Medicare/Medicaid. I'm
> not so sure I
> > am all that comfortable with people hiding their financial
> assets in order
> > to have the government pick up more of the tab, though. Easy
> for me to say,
> > I know. It not being my tab....yet.
> >
> > Sandra
>
> Sandra,
> I meant to reply to your initial post at some length, but personal
> events caught me up and then you were nomail.
>
> I strongly suggest that you get a copy of "The 36 Hour Day", if you
> haven't seen it before. It was very very helpful for us when my husband
> and I were going through this with my father-in-law.
>
> It's a long story and I'll save it for later, in case it seems relevant;
> but definitely do check this book out. It was new back then, which means
> there should be an updated version now.
>
> clo

Thanks for this. I'll check it out on Amazon.

Sandra

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On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, sandra wrote:
> These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At the very least,
> I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.

Don't consider moving to Texas, Sandra.

Karen

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> Sandra,
> I meant to reply to your initial post at some length, but personal
> events caught me up and then you were nomail.
>
> I strongly suggest that you get a copy of "The 36 Hour Day", if you
> haven't seen it before. It was very very helpful for us when my husband
> and I were going through this with my father-in-law.
>
> It's a long story and I'll save it for later, in case it seems relevant;
> but definitely do check this book out. It was new back then, which means
> there should be an updated version now.
>
> clo

I just ordered a copy, Carolyn. Thanks so much for this recommendation. It
looks like the kind of practical info that will be invaluable to us. Nice of
you.

Sandra

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> On 14 May 2003 at 11:31, sandra wrote:
>
> > They didn't show up to do the work that they
> > were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
>
> Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
> way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.
(mem)

And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
this?

Sandra

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> Is it just by accident that you use the exact phrase ("cowardly and
> childish") found in Governor Perry's May 12 statement?  URL:
> http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/pressreleases/Pres
> sRelease.2003-05-12.4349
>
> >> It's cowardly and childish to use the established rules of the
> legislative
> >> body to counteract the outrageous invasion of Texas state
> politics by a US
> >> congressman?  This whole thing was Delay's idea, hand-carried
> to Austin by
> >> one of his aides.
> >>
> >> In a sensible and law-abiding world -- one with which Tom
> Delay seemingly
> >> has little contact -- reapportionment happens after the
> decennial census,
> >> taking effect with the next biennial election cycle.  In this
> case, that
> >> first election was 2002.  So reapportionment is a done deal until 2010.
> >> Someone should tell the Colorado legislature about it as well
> (yes, I know
> >> about the court case in GA).
> >>
> >> neal
> >
> >Let's face it, I made a big mistake in throwing justice and
> responsibility
> >and efficiency and doing what's right into my political expectations. I'm
> >now fully reminded why I quit the business of political fundraising. Ick,
> >ick and triple ick.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> Gresham's Law of Politics:  Bad political actions drive out good.
>
> Though at least the concept of quorum is part of the rules, unlike
> overturning an already-completed reapportionment at the behest of
> an outside
> influence.
>
> What's your take on filibustering judicial candidates?
>
> neal

Btw, it was just a coincidence.

I think of it as filiblustering. It's not an act of substance. It turns good
people away from politics.

Sandra

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On 14 May 2003 at 11:31, sandra wrote:

> They didn't show up to do the work that they
> were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.

Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> >Maybe it has spread to anybody like them, but
> >I'm not sure that it has.  Does anybody know?
>
> http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly55.htm
>
> jeezopeet, do I *detest* that blue dog.

Thanks.  I knew what the blue dogs were but didn't realize that they had
been named for The Blue Dog of NO.  I still don't know, though, whether
the term is used just for that group of congresspeople or whether it
might be applied to others who share their views and party.

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>Hey Anne, educate me.
>
>What crime did the Dems commit that would prompt Governor Perry to send out
>the Texas Rangers to try to *arrest* them?

I learned this fact this week. Apparently it is a perogative of the Speaker
of the House to use the DPS or the Rangers to bring absent members in to
transact the House's business. I think this must be one of the rules of the
House.

The Dems might actually be playing into the hands of the Repubs, since the
rules on passing redistricting changes require 2/3 majority in the Senate.
Question being asked if whether the 2/3 majority turns back into a simple
majority in Special Session. So while it might have been easy to defeat this
thing now and put it away once and for all (until Dick Armey gets up the
side of our head again), it will be impossible to defeat in Special Session.
So the Dems might have thought this thing out like checkers players, not
chess players.

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At 01:05 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
 >I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.

In addition to Sand Beach and the bracing waters of the Atlantic that
Bonnie mentioned, there is also Echo Lake (in ANP); Echo Lake is freshwater
and more "temperate" in character.

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Neal Traven wrote:

> That's really funny ... southerners -aht and Natalie complaining about Block
> Island heat.
>
> I don't remember BI being hot, not in any way like these complaints.  Oh, it
> was fairly <hot>, but it wasn't anywhere close to HOT like on the mainland
> during and after our time on the island.

My complaint was about Providence, which I believe is indeed on the
mainland.  That's where I said I spent the most miserable night in my
memory.  A runnerup to it was the week I spent in Williamstown,
Massachusetts, a number of years ago.

> Hellish, on the other hand...  Yeah, there was some of that at our house,
> but it had nothing to do with the climate.

The rule against flushing toilets?  My memory of that is vague since I
wasn't at that house very much or very long.  Things were quite pleasant
at our inn with the sexy bartender.

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Stephen H Karlson wrote:
>
> Four of us on a kite towed behind a powerboat.  The ambient winds were
> perfect for Laser sailing but too strong for that kind of kite riding.

And the reason we kept waiting around was that there was supposedly some
chance that the winds would change, right?  I wish they had.
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plotkina@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:

> For your garden, Natalie.
>
> ** Mr. Stinky blooms in Miami **
> One of the most spectacular and smelly flowers in the world has bloomed at a Miami garden, drawing ewws and ahs from visitors.
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/912953.asp

Intereseting possibility.  It might look good beside the recently moved
electric pole.  Problem is, though, that I bet it would be an annual
here.  I'd want it year-round.

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sandra writes,

>And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
>this?

Thinking outside the box, acting cooperatively even while dispersed,
carrying out a plan that actually requires physical action and even a
little discomfort over a number of days -- it's more impressive than many
political acts.

Pete

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Neal Traven wrote:

> Is playing hooky a crime in Texas?

I thought they were continuing to work, not really playing hooky.

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sandra wrote:

> They're paid public servants. They didn't show up to do the work that they
> were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.

Ah, but they are doing it, from what I've read about the situation.
(This isn't related to my previous posting about their continuing to
work in their temporary quarters.  What I mean here is that, from what I
know of it, they are fighting against wrong-doing.)

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Neal Traven wrote:

> Is "election" equivalent to "hiring"?
>
> Under this (highly dubious) concept, I suppose someone should be sent out to
> arrest every legislator who ever fails to cast a roll call vote, or doesn't
> show up at a committee hearing.

I do believe that election is equivalent to hiring.  But I don't think
that employees who shirk their duties are normally arrested.  As I said
earlier, though, my limited understanding of what's going on in Texas
(and environs) isn't about shirking.

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At 05:29 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>The rule against flushing toilets?  My memory of that is vague since I
>wasn't at that house very much or very long.  Things were quite pleasant
>at our inn with the sexy bartender.

I loved our porch and bar.  We had a place to "gather".  It was a great Inn.

Betty

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...but would anyone care to answer an English language question?
    In the latest New Yorker (5/12/03, p40) there's the description "He
has a round face, a high complexion, and long red hair that falls nearly
to his waist."  A high complexion?

JMW

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sandra wrote:

> > Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
> > way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.
> (mem)
>
> And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
> this?

I hope.  Let us make some big changes in '04 and get rid of the Bushies
and their schemes.

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sandra wrote:

> Let's face it, I made a big mistake in throwing justice and responsibility
> and efficiency and doing what's right into my political expectations.

Those things are still in my political expectations or at least my
political hopes, especially doing what's right.  That is why I am
fighting as hard as I can against the Bush administration.

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> sandra writes,
>
> >And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
> >this?
>
> Thinking outside the box, acting cooperatively even while dispersed,
> carrying out a plan that actually requires physical action and even a
> little discomfort over a number of days -- it's more impressive than many
> political acts.
>
> Pete

It's exactly the same crap we pulled in the College Republicans and Young
Republicans. It's the same kind of games the YAFers play (Young Americans
For Freedom).

Sandra

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John Williams wrote:

> ...but would anyone care to answer an English language question?
>     In the latest New Yorker (5/12/03, p40) there's the description "He
> has a round face, a high complexion, and long red hair that falls nearly
> to his waist."  A high complexion?


        Fair.




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John Williams wrote:
>
> ...but would anyone care to answer an English language question?
>     In the latest New Yorker (5/12/03, p40) there's the description "He
> has a round face, a high complexion, and long red hair that falls nearly
> to his waist."  A high complexion?

I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
skin.

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 sandra wrote:
>
> > Let's face it, I made a big mistake in throwing justice and
> responsibility
> > and efficiency and doing what's right into my political expectations.
>
> Those things are still in my political expectations or at least my
> political hopes, especially doing what's right.  That is why I am
> fighting as hard as I can against the Bush administration.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Beyond voting against him, and posting here, how are you fighting against
Bush and his?

Sandra

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > I hope.  Let us make some big changes in '04 and get rid of the Bushies
> > and their schemes.
>
>     Are you seriously suggesting that the DNC has never expressed
> an interest
> in state politics?  Or that Democratic-led legislatures have never
> gerrymandered?  Because that's not my recollection.
>
> JMW

The democrats gerrymandered the hell out of California some years ago. I had
a chance to tour the Rose Institute years ago and got a chance to see some
of the tools used to assess districting.

I forget the proposition's name/number, but we ended up voting for saner
district lines. Less panhandles and bizarre configurations.

Sandra

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sandra wrote:

> Beyond voting against him, and posting here, how are you fighting against
> Bush and his?

In every way I can think of.  I've contributed (small amounts of) money
to the Dean Campaign, to the national, state, and county Democratic
Party.  My car has been sporting its "Peace is Patriotic" and "Howard
Dean for President" bumper stickers for months now.  I add
anti-Bush-administration items to my blog almost every day (not that I
think that matters since I don't think my blog is exactly a <hot
item>).  I continue to serve on the Advisory Board of the Oktibbeha
County Democratic Party and do whatever service related to that comes
along.  I will of course volunteer in the local headquarters when we
reach that stage in campaigning.  I write occasional Letters to the
Editor (had a short one in the Clarion-Ledger last week).  I of course
write my Senators and Representative about issues, though that is of not
great help since they are Bushies.  I participate in the Mississippians
for Dean Yahoo group, which also isn't really all that helpful since
saying pro-Dean things is obviously preaching to the choir.  Ditto the
Dean Meet-up thing, which I have involved myself in so far only to the
extent of finding out that we don't have enough people (yet) for one in
Starkville or Columbus, but I'm hoping to go to Jackson for the one next
month.  Etc. etc.

I would welcome suggestions for other ways I can fight the good fight.
(I do not voice political views when teaching, nor do I wear political
buttons in classrooms or put political stickers or whatever in my
office.  It's just something I decided a long time ago that I didn't
feel was appropriate, even though I drive my car to campus every day
with its bumper stickers, it wouldn't be difficult for my students to
find their way from my work website to my personal website -- though I
don't have a direct link to the main page, with its "Dean for President"
link, etc.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

>> They didn't show up to do the work that they
>> were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
>
>Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
>way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.

Right!

Bethany

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John Williams wrote:
>     Are you seriously suggesting that the DNC has never expressed an interest
> in state politics?  Or that Democratic-led legislatures have never
> gerrymandered?  Because that's not my recollection.

No, I am not making that suggestion.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> sandra wrote:
>
> > Beyond voting against him, and posting here, how are you
> fighting against
> > Bush and his?
>
> In every way I can think of.  I've contributed (small amounts of) money
> to the Dean Campaign, to the national, state, and county Democratic
> Party.  My car has been sporting its "Peace is Patriotic" and "Howard
> Dean for President" bumper stickers for months now.  I add
> anti-Bush-administration items to my blog almost every day (not that I
> think that matters since I don't think my blog is exactly a <hot
> item>).  I continue to serve on the Advisory Board of the Oktibbeha
> County Democratic Party and do whatever service related to that comes
> along.  I will of course volunteer in the local headquarters when we
> reach that stage in campaigning.  I write occasional Letters to the
> Editor (had a short one in the Clarion-Ledger last week).  I of course
> write my Senators and Representative about issues, though that is of not
> great help since they are Bushies.  I participate in the Mississippians
> for Dean Yahoo group, which also isn't really all that helpful since
> saying pro-Dean things is obviously preaching to the choir.  Ditto the
> Dean Meet-up thing, which I have involved myself in so far only to the
> extent of finding out that we don't have enough people (yet) for one in
> Starkville or Columbus, but I'm hoping to go to Jackson for the one next
> month.  Etc. etc.
>
> I would welcome suggestions for other ways I can fight the good fight.
> (I do not voice political views when teaching, nor do I wear political
> buttons in classrooms or put political stickers or whatever in my
> office.  It's just something I decided a long time ago that I didn't
> feel was appropriate, even though I drive my car to campus every day
> with its bumper stickers, it wouldn't be difficult for my students to
> find their way from my work website to my personal website -- though I
> don't have a direct link to the main page, with its "Dean for President"
> link, etc.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Good for you :) You give good citizenship.

Sandra

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Dang.  I was deferring to your judgement as a sociolinguist.  (That's what
makes Pittsburgh interesting.  Behaviorally it's midwest, but the
Pittsburgh dialect is neither Philadelphia nor Chicago.  Fortunately the
yellow arrows pointing to Kennywood are transparent to all.)

> I can't remember what we decided on either.  I think I deferred to your
> judgment as a Midwesterner, but I don't remember what the final judgment
> was.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com

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02003-05-14 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > On 14 May 2003 at 11:31, sandra wrote:
> >
> > > They didn't show up to do the work that they
> > > were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
> >
> > Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
> > way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.
> (mem)
>
> And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
> this?

Dude ... please. Everybody is having a great time with this farce,
and there you are, like a silly ass, muttering "Cowardly! Childish!"

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> 02003-05-14 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > On 14 May 2003 at 11:31, sandra wrote:
> > >
> > > > They didn't show up to do the work that they
> > > > were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
> > >
> > > Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
> > > way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.
> > (mem)
> >
> > And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
> > this?
>
> Dude ... please. Everybody is having a great time with this farce,
> and there you are, like a silly ass, muttering "Cowardly! Childish!"

And there art thou, calling me "dude." Just as funny.

Sandra

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At 03:50 AM 5/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Lisa:
>
>>I think Tina started watching for the eye candy too, Sidney! We both like
>>  the fight scenes with her.
>
>Jennifer Garner's great in the fight scenes. And she pulls off all the
>cheesy costumes they come up with for her.
>
>-rashmi

Her pulling off the cheesy costumers is part of what makes the show
semi-believable.

lisa

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 06:49:27 -0500, Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

>http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030514-113049.shtml

Hey Anne, educate me.

What crime did the Dems commit that would prompt Governor Perry to send out
the Texas Rangers to try to *arrest* them?

Is playing hooky a crime in Texas?

Then again, with Tom Delay's thuggish attempt to overturn the legitimate
redistricting already accomplished, abetted by Craddick and his Texas House
pals, perhaps the "crime" of the Dems was that they left the scene of the
Republican crime.

neal

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> >> What crime did the Dems commit that would prompt Governor Perry
> >> to send out
> >> the Texas Rangers to try to *arrest* them?
> >>
> >> Is playing hooky a crime in Texas?
> >>
> >> Then again, with Tom Delay's thuggish attempt to overturn the
> legitimate
> >> redistricting already accomplished, abetted by Craddick and his
> >> Texas House
> >> pals, perhaps the "crime" of the Dems was that they left the
> scene of the
> >> Republican crime.
> >>
> >> neal
> >
> >They're paid public servants. They didn't show up to do the work
> that they
> >were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
> >
> >Sandra
>
>
> OK, fine.  Is that an arrestworthy crime?  What's the charge?
>
> Is "election" equivalent to "hiring"?
>
> Under this (highly dubious) concept, I suppose someone should be
> sent out to
> arrest every legislator who ever fails to cast a roll call vote,
> or doesn't
> show up at a committee hearing.
>
> neal

Works for me.

These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At the very least,
I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.

Sandra

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >Harriman (TN) is losing Roane Hosiery. It seems that too few of us now
> >wear pantyhose, knee-highs, etc., to keep factories in business.
> >They're going out of business. The big downturn in hosiery sales, they
> >say, was 1997, though the trend was in place by the early 90s.
> >
> >Bethany
>
> I bet it was all Natalie's fault too.

Not unless Roane makes NoNonsense.  That's my brand.

The trend was in place on my legs long before the early '90s.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >wasn't at that house very much or very long.  Things were quite pleasant
> >at our inn with the sexy bartender.
>
> I loved our porch and bar.  We had a place to "gather".  It was a great Inn.

Yes, it was.  I would be quite happy to be sitting on that porch right
now.

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 13:26:27 -0500, again, all around
<rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> wrote:

>Neal:
><mr snippy was here>
>
>Hey Neal!  What's this "H" I see
>in the pitching details in these
>newfangled box scores?  I know
>what a BS is, but what's an H?
>
>My web search skills don't seem
>to be up to this challenge.
>
>--
>Richard       matthias, paper - joe bars, rock

H = "hold"

Supposedly designed as a quantity to measure the effectiveness of setup men.

Pay it no mind, as each data source has its own definition, none of which
are worth a plugged nickel.

neal, home today with a terrible head cold

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 11:31:22 -0700, sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:

>> On Wed, 14 May 2003 06:49:27 -0500, Anne Toal
>> <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030514-113049.shtml
>>
>> Hey Anne, educate me.
>>
>> What crime did the Dems commit that would prompt Governor Perry
>> to send out
>> the Texas Rangers to try to *arrest* them?
>>
>> Is playing hooky a crime in Texas?
>>
>> Then again, with Tom Delay's thuggish attempt to overturn the legitimate
>> redistricting already accomplished, abetted by Craddick and his
>> Texas House
>> pals, perhaps the "crime" of the Dems was that they left the scene of the
>> Republican crime.
>>
>> neal
>
>They're paid public servants. They didn't show up to do the work that they
>were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
>
>Sandra


OK, fine.  Is that an arrestworthy crime?  What's the charge?

Is "election" equivalent to "hiring"?

Under this (highly dubious) concept, I suppose someone should be sent out to
arrest every legislator who ever fails to cast a roll call vote, or doesn't
show up at a committee hearing.

neal

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sandra wrote:

> Good for you :) You give good citizenship.

Thank you.  It really does annoy me when people whine or mouth off among
friends or whatever but don't bother to <participate> in the system.
That was part of the point being made in that Baltimore Sun column I
mentioned yesterday(?) -- the one about why speaking out is important.
Oh -- I guess I could add to the things I said while ago that I also
have participated in all but one of the peace rallies in Starkville.  I
missed one because I had to be out of town.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:57 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > >wasn't at that house very much or very long.  Things were quite pleasant
> > >at our inn with the sexy bartender.
> >
> > I loved our porch and bar.  We had a place to "gather".  It was a great
> Inn.
>
>Yes, it was.  I would be quite happy to be sitting on that porch right
>now.

Yes, and they had good food across the street.

Betty

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> That's really funny ... southerners -aht and Natalie complaining about
Block
> Island heat.

Just about the lack of air conditioning. Heat in summer is part of the
season, but without AC there's no escaping it.

-aht

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At 08:18 AM 5/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 11:05 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>>We went to see "Bend it Like Beck ham" last night. Very cute, fun, flick.
>>
>>I would even consider learning to play soccer if my boss hadn't torn his
>>achilles tendon last week during the "friendly" company match.
>
>Ouch!

Yep. He had the surgery yesterday. The Dr. told him the recovery time is 12
weeks.

I would go insane if I missed an entire summer's worth of activity.

lisa

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That's a new one.  As I have some Burlington Northern riding to do that
may be worth a look for dinner upon my return.

> A man of your obviously refined tastes
> knows about The Wurst Kitchen in Aurora,
> right?

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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What, the railroad?
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Stephen_Karlson/modelrail.htm

A bit out of date as the pictures of the second deck aren't yet up on that
site.

> We need photos of this!

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393

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Natalie:
>Maybe it has spread to anybody like them, but
>I'm not sure that it has.  Does anybody know?

http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly55.htm

jeezopeet, do I *detest* that blue dog.

Without that pollution, Rodrigue's Jazzfest
posters (of Louis Armstrong, Pete, and Jumbo)
would have been <perfect>.  As it is, all they
are is ads for that shitbag.

http://www.georgerodrigue.com/jazzfest.htm

</PETE>

--
Richard       matthias, paper - joe bars, rock

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At 09:38 AM 5/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 14 May 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >>The rumor that started 3 (?) weeks ago has been confirmed-plenty of
> >>time for it to sink in. Sad thing is we have a good group here and there's
> >>plenty of work to do. We got caught up in a bad situation that had
> >>little to do with us.
> >
> >I've seen this happen more often than I've seen companies go completely
> >bankrupt. It's a very frustrating scene.
>
>Harriman (TN) is losing Roane Hosiery. It seems that too few of us now
>wear pantyhose, knee-highs, etc., to keep factories in business.
>They're going out of business. The big downturn in hosiery sales, they
>say, was 1997, though the trend was in place by the early 90s.
>
>Bethany


I bet it was all Natalie's fault too.

lisa

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>I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.
>lisa

Brrrr.  The best place to do that is at Sand Beach in Acadia National
Park.  There is a town beach but few people swim there.  They use it mostly
for launching of kayaks.  It's pretty small.
http://www.acadiamagic.com/SandBeach.html


    --bonniev

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Alec sent you this MSNBC News Link:

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For your garden, Natalie.

** Mr. Stinky blooms in Miami **
One of the most spectacular and smelly flowers in the world has bloomed at a Miami garden, drawing ewws and ahs from visitors.

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> On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, sandra wrote:
> > These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At
> the very least,
> > I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.
>
> Don't consider moving to Texas, Sandra.
>
> Karen

Haven't you ever wanted to follow your heart?

Sandra

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:56 -0700, sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:

About the TexDems in OK:

>These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At the very least,
>I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.
>
>Sandra

It's cowardly and childish to use the established rules of the legislative
body to counteract the outrageous invasion of Texas state politics by a US
congressman?  This whole thing was Delay's idea, hand-carried to Austin by
one of his aides.

In a sensible and law-abiding world -- one with which Tom Delay seemingly
has little contact -- reapportionment happens after the decennial census,
taking effect with the next biennial election cycle.  In this case, that
first election was 2002.  So reapportionment is a done deal until 2010.
Someone should tell the Colorado legislature about it as well (yes, I know
about the court case in GA).

neal

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Totally cool!

At 11:36 AM 5/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>What, the railroad?
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Stephen_Karlson/modelrail.htm
>
>A bit out of date as the pictures of the second deck aren't yet up on that
>site.
>
> > We need photos of this!
>
>Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393

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> On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:56 -0700, sandra
> <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
>
> About the TexDems in OK:
>
> >These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At the
> very least,
> >I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> It's cowardly and childish to use the established rules of the legislative
> body to counteract the outrageous invasion of Texas state politics by a US
> congressman?  This whole thing was Delay's idea, hand-carried to Austin by
> one of his aides.
>
> In a sensible and law-abiding world -- one with which Tom Delay seemingly
> has little contact -- reapportionment happens after the decennial census,
> taking effect with the next biennial election cycle.  In this case, that
> first election was 2002.  So reapportionment is a done deal until 2010.
> Someone should tell the Colorado legislature about it as well (yes, I know
> about the court case in GA).
>
> neal

Let's face it, I made a big mistake in throwing justice and responsibility
and efficiency and doing what's right into my political expectations. I'm
now fully reminded why I quit the business of political fundraising. Ick,
ick and triple ick.

Sandra

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I strongly suggest that you get a copy of "The 36 Hour Day", if you

I haven't read it, but I have heard it highly recommended by various
people.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>
> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > I strongly suggest that you get a copy of "The 36 Hour Day", if you
>
> I haven't read it, but I have heard it highly recommended by various
> people.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

It's on order and I just called to set up an appt for my father and I to go
meet with a family counselor at our local Family Caregiver Alliance.

Thanks for seconding the book.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I hope.  Let us make some big changes in '04 and get rid of the Bushies
> and their schemes.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the DNC has never expressed an interest
in state politics?  Or that Democratic-led legislatures have never
gerrymandered?  Because that's not my recollection.

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> John Williams wrote:
> >     Are you seriously suggesting that the DNC has never expressed an interest
> > in state politics?  Or that Democratic-led legislatures have never
> > gerrymandered?  Because that's not my recollection.
>
> No, I am not making that suggestion.

I will add, however, that I think the current administration is the most
corrupt in my memory.  I'm not sure how much of it is Dubya's fault.
Although I don't really know, my gut feeling is that he is simply an
easily manipulated figurehead.

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Do you ever read <junk books>?  If yes, have you read any John Grisham?
I consider his books perfect for airplane reading but got into reading
_The Summons_ this afternoon, which I had had sitting here waiting for
an airplane ride for ages and suddenly got into this afternoon as more
practicing for retirement on a rainy day.  I was thinking while reading
that, if you indeed do engage in junk-book reading, you should enjoy his
books because of the legal stuff in them -- light-weight legal, of
course -- aimed at the general masses.  But he is in fact a lawyer.
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On Wed, 14 May 2003 14:38:44 -0700, sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:

>> On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:03:56 -0700, sandra
>> <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:
>>
>> About the TexDems in OK:
>>
>> >These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At the
>> very least,
>> >I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.
>> >
>> >Sandra

Is it just by accident that you use the exact phrase ("cowardly and
childish") found in Governor Perry's May 12 statement?  URL:
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/pressreleases/PressRelease.2003-05-12.4349

>> It's cowardly and childish to use the established rules of the legislative
>> body to counteract the outrageous invasion of Texas state politics by a US
>> congressman?  This whole thing was Delay's idea, hand-carried to Austin by
>> one of his aides.
>>
>> In a sensible and law-abiding world -- one with which Tom Delay seemingly
>> has little contact -- reapportionment happens after the decennial census,
>> taking effect with the next biennial election cycle.  In this case, that
>> first election was 2002.  So reapportionment is a done deal until 2010.
>> Someone should tell the Colorado legislature about it as well (yes, I know
>> about the court case in GA).
>>
>> neal
>
>Let's face it, I made a big mistake in throwing justice and responsibility
>and efficiency and doing what's right into my political expectations. I'm
>now fully reminded why I quit the business of political fundraising. Ick,
>ick and triple ick.
>
>Sandra

Gresham's Law of Politics:  Bad political actions drive out good.

Though at least the concept of quorum is part of the rules, unlike
overturning an already-completed reapportionment at the behest of an outside
influence.

What's your take on filibustering judicial candidates?

neal

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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/13/MN272030.DTL

Well, this is a mess.

Sandra

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Do you ever read <junk books>?  If yes, have you read any John Grisham?
>I consider his books perfect for airplane reading but got into reading

Not often - but I do read Grisham. I enjoy him very much.

Bethany

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> These clowns are holed up in a hotel avoiding their work. At the very
least,
> I think they're acting cowardly and childish. What a bunch of wankers.

If they're avoiding work, do you think they'll not file for travel expenses?
Of course they will.

Actually I don't think they're avoiding work, they're doing a pretty good
job of it. I'm always much happier when the Lege isn't in Austin, and right
now 51 of them are in Oklahoma, which suits me fine.

The bad part of it is we're headed for special session, which is always a
pain if one's budget relies upon the guys up north.

-aht

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Betty wrote:

> Yes, and they had good food across the street.

I wonder whether it will be cold enough at AcadiaFest for me to wear my
Deadman's Dick sweatshirt.  Its sleeves are still way too long, but I
like it anyway.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
> fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
> skin.

    That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I will add, however, that I think the current administration is the most
> corrupt in my memory.

    How quickly we forget Ron Brown.

JMW

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02003-05-14 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-05-14 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > On 14 May 2003 at 11:31, sandra wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > They didn't show up to do the work that they
> > > > > were hired to do. They've abandoned their job IMO.
> > > >
> > > > Nonsense. They're just doing their jobs in a slightly unorthodox
> > > > way. All's fair in love, war, and politics.
> > > (mem)
> > >
> > > And this is an example of responsible governing? Can't we do better than
> > > this?
> >
> > Dude ... please. Everybody is having a great time with this farce,
> > and there you are, like a silly ass, muttering "Cowardly! Childish!"
>
> And there art thou, calling me "dude." Just as funny.

Ha ha!

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At 04:59 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:

>And there art thou, calling me "dude." Just as funny.


Don't be too hard on Twinky---outpatient therapy isn't what it used to be
in Arizona.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >And there art thou, calling me "dude." Just as funny.
>
> Don't be too hard on Twinky---outpatient therapy isn't what it used to be
> in Arizona.

    That wasn't me, puss-brain.

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Do you ever read <junk books>?  If yes, have you read any John Grisham?
> I consider his books perfect for airplane reading but got into reading
> _The Summons_ this afternoon, which I had had sitting here waiting for
> an airplane ride for ages and suddenly got into this afternoon as more
> practicing for retirement on a rainy day.  I was thinking while reading
> that, if you indeed do engage in junk-book reading, you should enjoy his
> books because of the legal stuff in them -- light-weight legal, of
> course -- aimed at the general masses.  But he is in fact a lawyer.


        A friend of ours just bought his Saab.



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John Williams wrote:
> > I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
> > fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
> > skin.
>
>     That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
> racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.

Is it racist?  I had thought that "high yellow" for skin color was first
used by blacks, but I don't know that for sure.  Can't remember why I
thought it.

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John Williams wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
>>fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
>>skin.
>>
>
>     That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
> racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.


        The expression strikes me as Victorian for some reason.




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John Williams wrote:
> > I will add, however, that I think the current administration is the most
> > corrupt in my memory.
>
>     How quickly we forget Ron Brown.

Ron Brown of the airplane crash?  What did he have to do with this
topic?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> John Williams wrote:
>
>>>I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
>>>fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
>>>skin.
>>>
>>    That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
>>racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.
>>
>
> Is it racist?  I had thought that "high yellow" for skin color was first
> used by blacks, but I don't know that for sure.  Can't remember why I
> thought it.


        Is it?  I have students who refer to themselves as yellow
(and are quite vain about it).



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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         A friend of ours just bought his Saab.

Directly from him, or did the used-car dealer tell whose it had been?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > John Williams wrote:
> >
> >>>I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
> >>>fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
> >>>skin.
> >>>
> >>    That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
> >>racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.
> >>
> >
> > Is it racist?  I had thought that "high yellow" for skin color was first
> > used by blacks, but I don't know that for sure.  Can't remember why I
> > thought it.
>
>         Is it?  I have students who refer to themselves as yellow
> (and are quite vain about it).

I'm not sure what your "is it?" is being applied to.  I also am not sure
whether being high yellow is as much of a status symbol in the African
American community as it used to be, but it definitely used to be.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        A friend of ours just bought his Saab.
>>
>
> Directly from him, or did the used-car dealer tell whose it had been?


        I think he got it from E-bay, from the second owner.  But it
came with the original title with Grisham's name on it.  I
think he paid whatever the blue book value on the car is.




--
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Did you make it to the club, Samant?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
>>>>>fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
>>>>>skin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>   That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
>>>>racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Is it racist?  I had thought that "high yellow" for skin color was first
>>>used by blacks, but I don't know that for sure.  Can't remember why I
>>>thought it.
>>>
>>        Is it?  I have students who refer to themselves as yellow
>>(and are quite vain about it).
>>
>
> I'm not sure what your "is it?" is being applied to.  I also am not sure
> whether being high yellow is as much of a status symbol in the African
> American community as it used to be, but it definitely used to be.


        I'm guessing it still is a status symbol judging by comments
I hear.  I'll ask tomorrow.  Although I'm not sure how it
falls in line with being of mixed race, which a large number
of my students are.




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I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts

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> I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.
>
> lisa


I bet they'll be chilly!

Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a pool.

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> Yes, it was.  I would be quite happy to be sitting on that porch right
> now.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


A bit chilly for you I bet, about 50 degrees.  You could wear your
sweatshirt.

Terry

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At 09:02 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        I'm guessing it still is a status symbol judging by comments
>I hear.  I'll ask tomorrow.  Although I'm not sure how it
>falls in line with being of mixed race, which a large number
>of my students are.

Aren't they beautiful?  I just love the result of mixed up races.

Betty

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At 09:07 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
>have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
>
>http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts

Is anyone chasing these fucking urls?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
> have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
>
> http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts

Oops.  That link doesn't seem to work.  You can get to it by going here:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/

Then clicking on "search for a proceeding history."

Then filling in the proceeding number as 02-277.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:10 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.
>>
>>lisa
>
>
>I bet they'll be chilly!
>
>Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a pool.

Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.

Betty

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At 09:12 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
> > have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
> >
> > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
>
>Oops.  That link doesn't seem to work.  You can get to it by going here:
>http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/
>
>Then clicking on "search for a proceeding history."
>
>Then filling in the proceeding number as 02-277.

Your idea of fun and my idea of fun are quite different, I think.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
> > have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
> >
> > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
>
> Oops.  That link doesn't seem to work.  You can get to it by going here:
> http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/
>
> Then clicking on "search for a proceeding history."

Oops!  I meant click on "search for filed comments."

> Then filling in the proceeding number as 02-277.



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At 09:14 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >
> > > I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
> > > have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
> > >
> > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
> >
> > Oops.  That link doesn't seem to work.  You can get to it by going here:
> > http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/
> >
> > Then clicking on "search for a proceeding history."
>
>Oops!  I meant click on "search for filed comments."
>
> > Then filling in the proceeding number as 02-277.

Go to bed, Natalie.  The grown ups want to play.

Betty

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I bought the book.  When are we meeting?

Betty

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>  Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
>>have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
>>
>>http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
>
>Is anyone chasing these fucking urls?
>Betty

Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

> Your idea of fun and my idea of fun are quite different, I think.

Could be.  I'm worried about why my computer seems excessively sluggish
tonight.  Not the net connection in particular -- everything.  Maybe
it's on the verge of dying.  Maybe it's time to computer shop, which I
used to think was fun but now think is something of a pain since I hate
the thought of transferring stuff to a new computer.  Maybe it will be
perkier tomorrow.

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Betty wrote:

> Go to bed, Natalie.  The grown ups want to play.

I'm about to.  I just noticed that the clock is ticking onward toward
bedtime.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:23 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>  Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
>>>have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
>>>
>>>http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
>>
>>Is anyone chasing these fucking urls?
>>Betty
>
>Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.

Perzactly. I dread her impending retirement when she will have more time to
do this chit.

B

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bonniev wrote:

> Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.

I thought many Wordslers liked the posting of urls.  I guess I should
desist.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Betty wrote:

> >Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.
>
> Perzactly. I dread her impending retirement when she will have more time to
> do this chit.

Not to worry.  Now that I realize they are unwelcome, I won't do it
anymore.  I seriously did think that Wordslers were into url-postings.

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Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right" coast!  I am
so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San Francisco.  Let's
make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.  You stay
home and watch those precious children.

This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.

Betty

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> Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.
>
> Betty


Care to join me (us)?

Terry

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At 09:27 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.
>
>I thought many Wordslers liked the posting of urls.  I guess I should
>desist.

TYVM

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At 10:36 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.
>>
>>Betty
>
>
>Care to join me (us)?

I forgot what we are doing.  I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

Betty

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:

> Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right" coast!  I am
> so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
> you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San Francisco.  Let's
> make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.  You stay
> home and watch those precious children.
>
> This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
> car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
>
Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?

Sharon

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, John Williams wrote:

> ....but would anyone care to answer an English language question?
>     In the latest New Yorker (5/12/03, p40) there's the description "He
> has a round face, a high complexion, and long red hair that falls nearly
> to his waist."  A high complexion?
>

It's interesting to hear another take on this phrase. In my understanding
of it, high complexion would be ruddy - like "blood rushed to his face",
but all the time. And I'd also call it "Victorian" - but arising from the
theory of humours, much earlier - this person would be expected to have a
"choleric" or hot-tempered personality, back in, say, Charlotte Bronte's
day....

clo

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At 09:28 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.
> >
> > Perzactly. I dread her impending retirement when she will have more time to
> > do this chit.
>
>Not to worry.  Now that I realize they are unwelcome, I won't do it
>anymore.  I seriously did think that Wordslers were into url-postings.

Pul-eeze.  How often did you chase them?

B

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At 07:37 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right" coast!  I am
> > so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
> > you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San Francisco.  Let's
> > make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.  You stay
> > home and watch those precious children.
> >
> > This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
> > car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
> >
>Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?

Probably.  We are talking fast track.  Starting noon on Friday and ending
very early Monday morning. She doesn't need to sleep.

Betty

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wow...that's exciting!!! And it's a good read.

We're meeting Sun, June 1st at 10:30am at the Cafe Zephyr (near me) Balboa &
38th (across from the Balboa Theatre). Hey, we can go eat lunch at Cajun
Pacific after, if you're game.

Very cool of you. But I expect nothing less than cool from you, BB.

Sandra

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>
>
> I bought the book.  When are we meeting?
>
> Betty
>
>

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At 07:37 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right" coast!  I am
> > so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
> > you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San Francisco.  Let's
> > make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.  You stay
> > home and watch those precious children.
> >
> > This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
> > car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
> >
>Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?

Sharon!  I mistook you for Sandra.  What would work for you? How can we
co-ordinate you and Myles?

Betty

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> On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right"
> coast!  I am
> > so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
> > you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San
> Francisco.  Let's
> > make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.
>  You stay
> > home and watch those precious children.
> >
> > This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
> > car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
> >
> Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?
>
> Sharon

Why don't we go to the Haight and come up with an official Wordsler tattoo?

Sandra

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> Sharon!  I mistook you for Sandra.  What would work for you? How can we
> co-ordinate you and Myles?
>
> Betty

Weird. This happens all the time to me. People who've never met me in
person, or who have, will often call me Sharon. It's got to the point I even
answer to it. I'll get mail with the envelope addressed to Sharon Hess and
the letter will say Dear Sandra. The names must just be similar enough.

Sandra

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At 07:50 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right"
> > coast!  I am
> > > so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
> > > you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San
> > Francisco.  Let's
> > > make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.
> >  You stay
> > > home and watch those precious children.
> > >
> > > This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
> > > car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
> > >
> > Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?
> >
> > Sharon
>
>Why don't we go to the Haight and come up with an official Wordsler tattoo?

Works for me! Her husband will shit.

Betty

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At 07:52 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > Sharon!  I mistook you for Sandra.  What would work for you? How can we
> > co-ordinate you and Myles?
> >
> > Betty
>
>Weird. This happens all the time to me. People who've never met me in
>person, or who have, will often call me Sharon. It's got to the point I even
>answer to it. I'll get mail with the envelope addressed to Sharon Hess and
>the letter will say Dear Sandra. The names must just be similar enough.

I know that Terry will want to meet both of you! We'll do everything we can
to confuse her.

Betty

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> Why don't we go to the Haight and come up with an official Wordsler
> tattoo?
>
> Sandra

I'll watch (or maybe not) thankyouverymuch.  I am NOT into needles.  I
suffered through 3 this am for a root canal. I was numb for 7 hours. I
didn't and don't have any pain, thank goodness.

Terry

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Yes.  We hung out around the pier (several mugs of coffee's worth) until
it was clear that we'd never get a ride in and be back for our boat.

> > Four of us on a kite towed behind a powerboat.  The ambient winds were
> > perfect for Laser sailing but too strong for that kind of kite riding.
>
> And the reason we kept waiting around was that there was supposedly some
> chance that the winds would change, right?  I wish they had.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Terry Wild wrote:

> > Why don't we go to the Haight and come up with an official Wordsler
> > tattoo?
> >
> > Sandra
>
> I'll watch (or maybe not) thankyouverymuch.  I am NOT into needles.  I
> suffered through 3 this am for a root canal. I was numb for 7 hours. I
> didn't and don't have any pain, thank goodness.
>
> Terry
>

Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be roto-rootered on Fri am,
so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?
clo

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That's about what it is here, with no sea breezes or sailboats nearby, but
the thin mint cookie custard compensates.

> A bit chilly for you I bet, about 50 degrees.  You could wear your
> sweatshirt.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393
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Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 10:03:50 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be roto-rootered on Fri am,
> so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?

Aren't you young for this? I've never had it done.

Karen

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> Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be roto-rootered on Fri am,
> so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?
> clo

Thanks, and best of luck to you!  The things we do to add a bit more
time.... and still we never have enough!

Terry

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> > Don't be too hard on Twinky---outpatient therapy isn't what it used to be
> > in Arizona.
>
>     That wasn't me, puss-brain.

It's so cool to see these guys prizing their manhood or whatever the
expression is

Ann

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
> Hellish, on the other hand...  Yeah, there was some of that at our
> house,but it had nothing to do with the climate.

Let me guess: you stayed with the Toals?

Marie

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
> At 01:05 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
> >I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this
> summer.
> In addition to Sand Beach and the bracing waters of the Atlantic that
> Bonnie mentioned,

You gotta do it at least once!

Marie
   been there, done that

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Remember to check out the total eclipse of the moon (the Earth's shadow
falling over the full moon) tomorrow night.  Totality is at 8:40pm PDT /
11:40pm EDT, and all you need is a clear view of the moon to the southeast
(it'll be just rising on the West Coast, so you'll need to be able to see
down to the horizon).  It's entirely safe -- you'll be looking at the moon,
not the
sun.

More info -- (BAWLers should chase the last two URLs, in particular ;-)

Lunar Eclipse Computer (time, azimuth, altitude for any location)
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/LunarEclipse.html

NASA press release
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/extra/TLE2003May15.html

Lunar eclipse photographs
http://www.mreclipse.com/MrEclipse.html#LE

Space.com article
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/lunar_eclipse_news_030425.html

San Francisco Bay Area suggested viewing spots
http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2003-May/000218.html
http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2003-May/000219.html

Pete
http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000267.html

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At 5:56 PM -0700 5/14/03, John Williams wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing it means a light complexion, my guess being based on the
>> fact that "high yellow" is an old term for African Americans of light
>> skin.
>
>    That was my first thought, but as it is in the New Friggin' Yorker and is
>racist to boot makes that explanation suspect.
>
>JMW

>From what little googling I've done tonight, its use as a synonym for "fair
complexion" precedes any modern implications of racist overtones, although
in the examples cited below it does seem to have some of the class
overtones that pertained to skin tone in Victorian times:

Thomas Bailey Aldrich (1836-1907), "At a Reading": "Hypatia--ah, what
lovely things/Are fashioned out of eighteen springs!....A chin to Greek
perfection true;/Eyes of Astarte's tender blue;/A high complexion without
fleck/Or flaw, and curls about her neck."

R.D. Blackmore, _Lorna Doone_, Chapter 64: "I replied that his loss of
beauty-sleep was rather improving to a man of such high complexion, and
that I, being none of the quality, must pay half-quality prices...."

John Buchan, "Whitsuntide at Flambard" (1932): "Mayot, who sat opposite me,
had dark pouches under his eyes and that unwholesome high complexion which
in a certain type of physique means that the arteries are working badly."

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
Johnson Institute for the Study of Harmless Drudgery

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And later this year Mars makes its closest approach to Earth since
Neanderthals roamed the European plains.

> Remember to check out the total eclipse of the moon (the Earth's shadow
> falling over the full moon) tomorrow night.  Totality is at 8:40pm PDT /
> 11:40pm EDT, and all you need is a clear view of the moon to the southeast
> (it'll be just rising on the West Coast, so you'll need to be able to see
> down to the horizon).  It's entirely safe -- you'll be looking at the moon,
> not the
> sun.

Stephen Karlson               skarlson@niu.edu                 *-- 154393

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Bookrat writes,

> From what little googling I've done tonight, its use as a synonym for "fair
>complexion" precedes any modern implications of racist overtones

And FWIW, my little Googling turned up the "fair" usage, as well as "We
often speak of 'high complexion' or 'high yelluh' to refer to Blacks who
are mulatto or lighter skinned...," along with a few instances that matched
clo's sense of the phrase.

Pete

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Wed, 14 May 2003, John Williams wrote:
=
= > ....but would anyone care to answer an English language question?
= >     In the latest New Yorker (5/12/03, p40) there's the description "He
= > has a round face, a high complexion, and long red hair that falls nearly
= > to his waist."  A high complexion?
= >
=
= It's interesting to hear another take on this phrase. In my understanding
= of it, high complexion would be ruddy - like "blood rushed to his face",
= but all the time. And I'd also call it "Victorian" - but arising from the
= theory of humours, much earlier - this person would be expected to have a
= "choleric" or hot-tempered personality, back in, say, Charlotte Bronte's
= day....
=
= clo

That's what I was thinking, to go along with the red hair.

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, sandra wrote:

> > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right"
> > coast!  I am
> > > so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
> > > you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San
> > Francisco.  Let's
> > > make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.
> >  You stay
> > > home and watch those precious children.
> > >
> > > This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
> > > car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
> > >
> > Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?
> >
> > Sharon
>
> Why don't we go to the Haight and come up with an official Wordsler tattoo?
>
> Sandra

I'll help design it, but I want to see it on a few of you before I try it
on myself.

Sharon

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 10:03:50 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be roto-rootered on Fri am,
> > so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?
>
> Aren't you young for this? I've never had it done.
>

46 isn't that young, ordinarily it's 50; but I have a history that made
the Dr. feel it was appropriate.

yAy.  clo

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> On Wed, 14 May 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Betty wrote:
> > >
> > > > Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right"
> > > coast!  I am
> > > > so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants
> to meet all of
> > > > you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San
> > > Francisco.  Let's
> > > > make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.
> > >  You stay
> > > > home and watch those precious children.
> > > >
> > > > This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm
> thinking cable
> > > > car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
> > > >
> > > Would Filoli and bucks be too far away?
> > >
> > > Sharon
> >
> > Why don't we go to the Haight and come up with an official
> Wordsler tattoo?
> >
> > Sandra
>
> I'll help design it, but I want to see it on a few of you before I try it
> on myself.
>
> Sharon

Maybe we ought to consider trial by temporary tat.

Sandra

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On Wed, 14 May 2003, Bookrat wrote:

> John Buchan, "Whitsuntide at Flambard" (1932): "Mayot, who sat opposite me,
> had dark pouches under his eyes and that unwholesome high complexion which
> in a certain type of physique means that the arteries are working badly."
>

Yep, that's what I was thinking of - ruddy face, flushed even when
sitting still  - "florid, high complexion" also rings a bell

clo

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Betty wrote:

> >Not to worry.  Now that I realize they are unwelcome, I won't do it
> >anymore.  I seriously did think that Wordslers were into url-postings.
>
> Pul-eeze.  How often did you chase them?

Rarely.  But I had (inaccurately) assumed from list conversations that I
was mutant in that respect.

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> Let me guess: you stayed with the Toals?

Hey, Marie, don't be hatin'! Point of detail: nobody stayed "with the
Toals." There was a group house where several people stayed, it was hot and
incredibly humid. The house was too expensive but I got to see some old
friends. The nature on the island was interesting to look at and driving
around all day afforded some beautiful views as well as the opportunity to
run the car's air conditioning. I wrongly thought that getting away from it
all would be a relaxing experience. What I didn't know was that getting away
from it all in a place where you have no control over your own circumstances
and are thwarted every time you turn around is not relaxing. Basically I
wish I had that week of my life back, but since I don't, I rationalize it
all off as an expensive lesson. And that's the end of this thread!

-aht

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> Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be roto-rootered on Fri am,
> so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?
> clo

I hope everything comes out all right
Go with the flow
It will be good to have it all behind you
etc.

BrP
brashly repeating all the comments that were made to me when I was in the <same
position> a coupla weeks ago

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Very interesting.  This is what came immediately to my mind when I read
the question but then the responses led me to believe that I must be out
of my mind.  Of course we still can't rule that out but I am glad that
somebody else has the same understanding that I do.

Rita L.

clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>
>It's interesting to hear another take on this phrase. In my understanding
>of it, high complexion would be ruddy - like "blood rushed to his face",
>but all the time. And I'd also call it "Victorian" - but arising from the
>theory of humours, much earlier - this person would be expected to have a
>"choleric" or hot-tempered personality, back in, say, Charlotte Bronte's
>day....
>
>clo
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
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Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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My current country and my future country are tussling over marijuana
decriminalization north of the border.  NPR was talking about it this morning
and ran a clip of the PM's comments at a Liberal Party fundraiser last week.  I
don't know why, but it totally cracked me up.  Here is what he had to say (I
wish I could do <the voice> in print)

" Don't start smoking yet, wait until summer. We are only de-criminalizing
marijuana. We are not legalizing it."


BrP

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From: "Mrs. Victoria Komo" <vicky2003@fastermail.com>
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Dear Friend,

ASSISTANCE REQUIRED FOR ACQUISITION OF ESTATE
PROPERTIES.

I write to inform you of my desire to acquire estates
or landed properties in your country on behalf of my
Husband, Former opposition Vice Presidential Candidate
in Zimbabwe's last general elections recently
concluded Considering the strategic and influential
position he held in the opposing political party in
Zimbabwe, he would want the transaction to be strictly
confidential as possible.He further wants his identity
to remain undisclosed at least for now, until the
completion of the transaction.Hence our desire to have
an overseas Manager.

I want to inquire on behalf of my family if you would
agree to act as our overseas Manager in order to
actualize this transaction.

We have heard rumours that President Robert Mugabe
intends to confiscate all properties and assets
belonging to top members of the opposing political
party and try them for treason andattempt to
assasinate him.If found guilty, they will be jailed or
executed,this is one of his moves in becoming a
dictator

The project in brief, is that the funds with which we
intend to carry out our proposed investments in your
country, is presently in the custody of a security
Company overseas and we need your assistance to
transfer the funds to your country in a convenient
bank account that will be provided by you before we
can put the funds into use in your country. For this,
you shall be considered to be the beneficiary of the
money. The total sum is US$18 Million, of which your
share shall be 20% if you agree to be our overseas
agent and the remaining 80% is for buying the
properties in your Country with your assistance.This
money is part of the donations we received from
friends and from various governments that was in
support of the removal of President Robert Mugabe
during the recently concluded Presidential elections
in Zimbabwe.The President is aware of this money that
is why we have deposited the money with the Security
Comapany overseas.

As soon as payment is effected, and the amount
mentioned above is successfully transferred into your
account, we intend to use our own share in
acquiring some estates abroad. For this too you shall
also be our overseas manager of all our properties and
you will be paid based on a certain percentage agreed
on by both parties.

In the light of this, I would like you to forward to
me the following information:
1. Your company name and address(if any)
2. Your personal telephone/fax number.
3.Complete Mailing Address
4.The name you want us to use as beneficiary.

As soon as i receive the above information from you,i
will present it to our family,s lawyer to raise a
power of Attorney empowering you to have full
authority over the total money.

You are requested to communicate your acceptance of
this proposal through my above stated email address
after which my elder brother(John Mutola) shall
discuss the modalities of the transaction with you.

Your quick response will be highly appreciated. Thank
you in anticipation of your cooperation.

Yours faithfully,

Victoria Komo.

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For the first time, I've looked at ebay and found something I want.  What
is the "buy it now" symbol that appears next to some items?  I'm afraid to
click on it.

    --bonniev

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-aht:
>So the Dems might have thought this thing out
>like checkers players, not chess players.

Don't mistake complexity for profundity.

--
Rue Morgan

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 19:39:46 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>Terry is coming to "The City".  She is coming to the "Right" coast!  I am
>so excited.  Bay Area Wordslers be forewarned.  She wants to meet all of
>you but we only have the week end plus she has to DO San Francisco.  Let's
>make it a trip she will never forget.  Eat your heart out Alan.  You stay
>home and watch those precious children.
>
>This will happen in August so we have time to plan.  I'm thinking cable
>car, redwoods,  GG Bridge for beginners.
>
>Betty

Please keep words-l irregulars in the loop on this event.

neal

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Natalie:
> the term is used just for that group of congresspeople or whether it
> might be applied to others who share their views and party.

What I carried away from reading that
piece is that, yes, it is applied only
to congresscritters.

Oh, and henceforth I'll transmit URLs
only by telepathy, sensitive guy that
I am.

--
Richard          don't we?  don't we?

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Pete on the truant Texans:
> a little discomfort over a number of days

Is Oklahoma really *that* bad?

--
Richard          don't we?  don't we?

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At 07:17 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 09:07 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
>>have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
>>
>>http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
>
>Is anyone chasing these fucking urls?
>
>Betty

No, not really. I save them and either chase then when my mail box is empty
or work is slow.

lisa

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At 07:18 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 10:10 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>>I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.
>>>
>>>lisa
>>
>>
>>I bet they'll be chilly!
>>
>>Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a pool.
>
>Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.
>
>Betty

Does that mean you'll be checking out the swimming hole with Terry and I?

lisa

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:02:59 -0700, John Williams
<williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU> wrote:

>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> I hope.  Let us make some big changes in '04 and get rid of the Bushies
>> and their schemes.
>
>    Are you seriously suggesting that the DNC has never expressed an interest
>in state politics?  Or that Democratic-led legislatures have never
>gerrymandered?  Because that's not my recollection.
>
>JMW

John, don't be disingenuous.

Of course Democrats gerrymander.  In fact, some of the current congressional
districts look like fine work in that regard.

The point is that the gerrymandering from the 2000 Census is done, finished,
complete.  It's been signed off by courts and whoever else approves such
things.  There's even been an election based on these districts.

Not only does Tom DeLay want a mulligan on it, he wasn't even a player when
the original work was done.

neal

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>
> >Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a pool.
>
> Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.
>
> Betty

    I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get <cramps>, either.

JMW

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>I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get cramps , either.

The only kind of woman who doesn't get cramps wears a size 14 heel, a wig,
fishnet stockings, and lip-synchs ABBA hits on stage at the club on drag
nights.

-aht

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Update on the Markland family:

Gene has had episodes lately of being
out of breath and had appointments at the
University Hospital in Omaha for Wednesday
for an echocardiogram and a CAT scan.
Tuesday night he struggled for breath all
night, and when we left for Omaha in the
morning we knew enough to pack our tooth-
brushes.

Wednesday was a long day, his tests being
interrupted by a tornado sighting in Omaha
near our hospital, so that they couldn't run
the equipment.  Finally we had some results
and learned he has a heart problem, probably
a valve, and they hospitalized him for more
tests, which he is up in surgery having right
now.. . something called a TEE, in which they
lower a tiny camera into his chest to take
pictures (or something like that)

Couldn't be more surprised.  He has always
been so fit and healthy and was told he had a
good strong heart.

I am ensconced in a very lovely apartment in the
Leid Center, a brand new wing of this hospital
complex . .built, I assume,with money from the Leid
family who must have been extremely wealthy, having
their name on lots of buildings in Nebraska.  I am
paying $55 per night for this unit, which has
everything I could need and very tastefully decorated.
 In this wing is a "resource center", a room with a
well stocked library of books, tapes and games, and
about six nice computer stations.  Everything for our
comfort, since we all know that medicine is big
business and the extra amenities bring in that
business.

So, having had my hospital cafeteria breakfast,
and checked my email and the morning headlines, I
will now find my way through the maze over to Clarkson
Hospital and sink into the recliner in Gene's room and
maybe even doze off while I await his return.

Somehow I smell surgery somewhere in this brew.

                 - D. M.

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 21:28:57 -0500, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>Betty wrote:
>
>> >Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.
>>
>> Perzactly. I dread her impending retirement when she will have more time to
>> do this chit.
>
>Not to worry.  Now that I realize they are unwelcome, I won't do it
>anymore.  I seriously did think that Wordslers were into url-postings.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Not entirely unwelcome, Natalie.  Perhaps if there were more of these
interesting, informative, and valuable (preferably *correct*) URLs, I'd come
around more often.

BTW, I didn't see my comment re:the FCC.  Come to think of it, though,
MoveOn (http://www.moveon.org) might have been collecting comments to be
sent to congresscritters rather than the FCC.

neal
aka http://peacetreefarm.com

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02003-05-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> Did you make it to the club, Samant?

No.

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02003-05-14 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:07 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
> >have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
> >
> >http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
>
> Is anyone chasing these fucking urls?

No.

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02003-05-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > Not me.  I wish she would put them on her web log and leave us alone.
>
> I thought many Wordslers liked the posting of urls.  I guess I should
> desist.

Don't be ridiculous. Post 20.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:17 PM
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>Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 10:03:50 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be
>roto-rootered on Fri am,
>> so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?
>
>Aren't you young for this? I've never had it done.
>
>Karen
>

Over 50, then every 3 years if polyps I thought.



alec

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We will keep him in our thoughts and prayers.


Alec




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>Update on the Markland family:
>

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> We will keep him in our thoughts and prayers.

    Yes, we shall.

JMW

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> For the first time, I've looked at ebay and found something I want.  What
> is the "buy it now" symbol that appears next to some items?  I'm afraid to
> click on it.
>
>     --bonniev

 BUY IT NOW allows you to purchase the item right away, avoiding the
necessity of an auction. So, you don't have to wait for the auction to
happen and you don't have to worry that you'll be outbid. It means that you
have to pay the amount they've indicated they're willing to let it go for.

Sandra

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> >
> >Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 10:03:50 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >> Sorry to hear about your tooth. I am going to be
> >roto-rootered on Fri am,
> >> so tomorrow is the all-fluids day. Isn't modern life fun?
> >
> >Aren't you young for this? I've never had it done.
> >
> >Karen
> >
>
> Over 50, then every 3 years if polyps I thought.
>
>
>
> alec

Sooner and more often if there is family history of colon cancer.
My test found no polyps but because my mother had a malignant
polyp (caught very very early and successfully removed) they want
to look at my innards again in 3 years.  I probably should have had
a test before I was 50, but it wasn't until after I was 50 that my mom
knew about her positive results.

 I have to say that I have a new appreciation of why it can be
important for adoptees to know their genetic history. I am fortunate
to have been raised by those whose genes I inherited and to have
at my fingertips a lot of information about my ancestors - but I have
adopted sisters who know very little about what conditions they
might have inherited.  Indeed, one of my sisters died of a condition
(scleroderma) that was likely inherited.

BrP

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> Update on the Markland family:
>

> Somehow I smell surgery somewhere in this brew.
>
>                  - D. M.

I'm glad they're taking such good care of you and making it easy for you to
spend time with Gene as you await a determination.

Odd how he has always been considered to have a very fit heart and now this
comes along. Reminds me of yesterday's articles stating that what we've
always been told is "healthy" blood pressure 120/80 is now to be considered
less than healthy (pre hypertension). I think they're hoping for the higher
number to be no higher than 115 to be considered "healthy." How's Gene's BP?

Sandra

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>  BUY IT NOW allows you to purchase the item right away, avoiding the
>necessity of an auction. So, you don't have to wait for the auction to
>happen and you don't have to worry that you'll be outbid. It means that you
>have to pay the amount they've indicated they're willing to let it go for.
>Sandra

Thanks.  That's what I guessed.  But I was unsure.


    --bonniev

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 11:11:36 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>  BUY IT NOW allows you to purchase the item right away, avoiding the
>>necessity of an auction. So, you don't have to wait for the auction to
>>happen and you don't have to worry that you'll be outbid. It means that you
>>have to pay the amount they've indicated they're willing to let it go for.
>>Sandra

> Thanks.  That's what I guessed.  But I was unsure.

There is Help all over the place on that site, you know...

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> At 07:17 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >At 09:07 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >>I just discovered the page where you can read various comments people
> >>have sent to the FCC re the media-monopoly crisis:
> >>
> >>http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/websql/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.hts
> >
> >Is anyone chasing these fucking urls?
> >
> >Betty
>
> No, not really. I save them and either chase then when my mail box is
> empty or work is slow.
>
> lisa

I have a folder called "wordslinks", and save them up for times when
I need to think about something else for a while.
clo

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 3:26:06 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> 46 isn't that young, ordinarily it's 50; but I have a history that made
> the Dr. feel it was appropriate.

> yAy.  clo

Indeed.

Well, go with the flow, hope it comes out all right, etc.:)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Thursday, May 15, 2003, 3:26:06 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > 46 isn't that young, ordinarily it's 50; but I have a history that made
> > the Dr. feel it was appropriate.
>
> > yAy.  clo
>
> Indeed.
>
> Well, go with the flow, hope it comes out all right, etc.:)
>
> Karen

Thanks so much. The interesting part will be the writer's group
meeting that takes place after I have ingested the <interesting>
beverage they are providing for my enjoyment this evening.

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Update on the Markland family:
>

> Couldn't be more surprised.  He has always
> been so fit and healthy and was told he had a
> good strong heart.
>

>
> Somehow I smell surgery somewhere in this brew.
>
>                  - D. M.
>

Doris,
I am so glad Gene went for followup on the shortness of breath!
Hope everything goes well, and that you don't have to wait long
for results.

clo

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 11:32:06 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Thanks so much. The interesting part will be the writer's group
> meeting that takes place after I have ingested the <interesting>
> beverage they are providing for my enjoyment this evening.

And driving there and back...

Karen

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At 10:11 AM 5/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>For the first time, I've looked at ebay and found something I want.  What
>is the "buy it now" symbol that appears next to some items?  I'm afraid to
>click on it.
>
>    --bonniev

It means you don't have to go through the bidding stuff. You buy it for a
slightly higher (usually) price than the original list price. You don't
have to worry about bidding and being outbid though.

lisa

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>It means you don't have to go through the bidding stuff. You buy it for a
>slightly higher (usually) price than the original list price. You don't
>have to worry about bidding and being outbid though.
>lisa

And another problem is "meeting the reserve price", I see.  I'm a newbie on
EBay.  I don't think I'll get addicted though.  I don't go shopping unless
there is something I want.  I don't just <look>.


    --bonniev

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 11:54:19 AM, bonniev wrote:
> And another problem is "meeting the reserve price", I see.

This is an issue for any auction, not just an ebay thing.

> I'm a newbie on EBay. I don't think I'll get addicted though. I
> don't go shopping unless there is something I want. I don't just
> <look>.

You may be <competitive>, though...

Karen

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Thanks for the update Doris. Good luck to Gene!

lisa

At 07:59 AM 5/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Update on the Markland family:
>
>Gene has had episodes lately of being
>out of breath and had appointments at the
>University Hospital in Omaha for Wednesday
>for an echocardiogram and a CAT scan.
>Tuesday night he struggled for breath all
>night, and when we left for Omaha in the
>morning we knew enough to pack our tooth-
>brushes.
>
>Wednesday was a long day, his tests being
>interrupted by a tornado sighting in Omaha
>near our hospital, so that they couldn't run
>the equipment.  Finally we had some results
>and learned he has a heart problem, probably
>a valve, and they hospitalized him for more
>tests, which he is up in surgery having right
>now.. . something called a TEE, in which they
>lower a tiny camera into his chest to take
>pictures (or something like that)
>
>Couldn't be more surprised.  He has always
>been so fit and healthy and was told he had a
>good strong heart.
>
>I am ensconced in a very lovely apartment in the
>Leid Center, a brand new wing of this hospital
>complex . .built, I assume,with money from the Leid
>family who must have been extremely wealthy, having
>their name on lots of buildings in Nebraska.  I am
>paying $55 per night for this unit, which has
>everything I could need and very tastefully decorated.
>  In this wing is a "resource center", a room with a
>well stocked library of books, tapes and games, and
>about six nice computer stations.  Everything for our
>comfort, since we all know that medicine is big
>business and the extra amenities bring in that
>business.
>
>So, having had my hospital cafeteria breakfast,
>and checked my email and the morning headlines, I
>will now find my way through the maze over to Clarkson
>Hospital and sink into the recliner in Gene's room and
>maybe even doze off while I await his return.
>
>Somehow I smell surgery somewhere in this brew.
>
>                  - D. M.
>
>__________________________________
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> At 10:11 AM 5/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >For the first time, I've looked at ebay and found something I want.  What
> >is the "buy it now" symbol that appears next to some items?  I'm
> afraid to
> >click on it.
> >
> >    --bonniev
>
> It means you don't have to go through the bidding stuff. You buy it for a
> slightly higher (usually) price than the original list price. You don't
> have to worry about bidding and being outbid though.
>
> lisa

OTOH, if you feel the BUY IT NOW price is more than you ought to pay, then,
by all means, do it as an auctioned item. You do risk someone else BUYING IT
NOW, but if you wait til the last few minutes and bid, you have a very good
chance of getting the item at a better than BUY IT NOW price.

Sandra

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:03:26 PM, sandra wrote:
> OTOH, if you feel the BUY IT NOW price is more than you ought to pay, then,
> by all means, do it as an auctioned item. You do risk someone else BUYING IT
> NOW, but if you wait til the last few minutes and bid, you have a very good
> chance of getting the item at a better than BUY IT NOW price.

For hard-core Ebay people, there is software that allows them to come
in at the last minute and outbid others. I looked into this last year
for work purposes.

Karen

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Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The
news reported that the red bandannas were worn. No report about the
whisky.

Karen

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Karen:
> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The

You mean whiskey.

--
P. D'ant

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Doris Markland wrote:

> tests, which he is up in surgery having right
> now.. .

Fingers crossed!

> Couldn't be more surprised.  He has always
> been so fit and healthy and was told he had a
> good strong heart.

Hopefully this adds to the hope he'll be well after the cure, and strong
as ever.

Kristin

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:23:43 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The

> You mean whiskey.

Remind me of the difference again, Mr. P'Dant. I was wondering this as
I was typing.

Karen

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Karen:
> Remind me of the difference again

Scots and Canadians leave out the 'e'.

Of course, I'm assuming Mr. Nelson
supplied the reverse Joads with U.S.
hooch.

--
make mine Everclear, thanks

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:37:35 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> Remind me of the difference again

> Scots and Canadians leave out the 'e'.

> Of course, I'm assuming Mr. Nelson
> supplied the reverse Joads with U.S.
> hooch.

> --
> make mine Everclear, thanks

I didn't hear those details.

I'm glad the Democrats have won.

Karen

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>
> Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:03:26 PM, sandra wrote:
> > OTOH, if you feel the BUY IT NOW price is more than you ought
> to pay, then,
> > by all means, do it as an auctioned item. You do risk someone
> else BUYING IT
> > NOW, but if you wait til the last few minutes and bid, you have
> a very good
> > chance of getting the item at a better than BUY IT NOW price.
>
> For hard-core Ebay people, there is software that allows them to come
> in at the last minute and outbid others. I looked into this last year
> for work purposes.
>
> Karen

Yes, a bid could currently be at $10 and I can set it so that it will
incrementally outbid anyone else up to a limit I establish (let say
$20)....it won't be the entire $20 unless someone bids, let say $19.50. But
if the top bid just before the close of the auction is $17, it will make my
bid for me, allowing me to win.

Sandra

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>
> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The
> news reported that the red bandannas were worn. No report about the
> whisky.
>
> Karen

I'm not fond of the legislators, but I got a *thing* for Willie. I'd send
them buns, because they're such weenies.

Sandra

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At 11:14 AM 5/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thursday, May 15, 2003, 11:11:36 AM, bonniev wrote:
> >>  BUY IT NOW allows you to purchase the item right away, avoiding the
> >>necessity of an auction. So, you don't have to wait for the auction to
> >>happen and you don't have to worry that you'll be outbid. It means that you
> >>have to pay the amount they've indicated they're willing to let it go for.
> >>Sandra
>
> > Thanks.  That's what I guessed.  But I was unsure.
>
>There is Help all over the place on that site, you know...
>
>Karen

True but, IMFTATL.

lisa

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> > I'm a newbie on EBay. I don't think I'll get addicted though. I
> > don't go shopping unless there is something I want. I don't just
> > <look>.
>
>You may be <competitive>, though...
>Karen

I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires money
to win.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires money
> to win.
>

Whoa, great qotd for words-l!
clo

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:41:10 PM, sandra wrote:
> Yes, a bid could currently be at $10 and I can set it so that it will
> incrementally outbid anyone else up to a limit I establish (let say
> $20)....it won't be the entire $20 unless someone bids, let say $19.50. But
> if the top bid just before the close of the auction is $17, it will make my
> bid for me, allowing me to win.

What you're describing is normal E-Bay behavior. What I'm talking
about is 3rd party software.

Karen

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:43:14 PM, sandra wrote:
>> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The
>> news reported that the red bandannas were worn. No report about the
>> whisky.
>>
>> Karen

> I'm not fond of the legislators, but I got a *thing* for Willie. I'd send
> them buns, because they're such weenies.

Your heart may be leading you to Texas, but I'd say that <not getting>
this whole legislator thang is a huge obstacle to your ever being
happy here.

Karen

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:48:38 PM, bonniev wrote:
>> > I'm a newbie on EBay. I don't think I'll get addicted though. I
>> > don't go shopping unless there is something I want. I don't just
>> > <look>.
>>
>>You may be <competitive>, though...
>>Karen

> I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires money
> to win.

Mais non, one can win through <timing>, not just money.

Karen

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>
> Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:41:10 PM, sandra wrote:
> > Yes, a bid could currently be at $10 and I can set it so that it will
> > incrementally outbid anyone else up to a limit I establish (let say
> > $20)....it won't be the entire $20 unless someone bids, let say
> $19.50. But
> > if the top bid just before the close of the auction is $17, it
> will make my
> > bid for me, allowing me to win.
>
> What you're describing is normal E-Bay behavior. What I'm talking
> about is 3rd party software.
>
> Karen

What would it allow me to do that this doesn't?

Sandra

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> I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires
money
> to win.

That has to be the ultimate posting-rich post of all time.

-aht

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> Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:43:14 PM, sandra wrote:
> >> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The
> >> news reported that the red bandannas were worn. No report about the
> >> whisky.
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > I'm not fond of the legislators, but I got a *thing* for
> Willie. I'd send
> > them buns, because they're such weenies.
>
> Your heart may be leading you to Texas, but I'd say that <not getting>
> this whole legislator thang is a huge obstacle to your ever being
> happy here.
>
> Karen

Legislators behave the same everywhere. You think California hasn't got it's
pranksters?

Don't worry. I'm not packing yet.  Are you sorry you moved to TX? Am I
insane to want to leave the Bay Area? I may even move to Modesto or such.
Somewhere where guys drive trucks ;)

Sandra

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:54:46 PM, sandra wrote:
>> Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:41:10 PM, sandra wrote:
>> > Yes, a bid could currently be at $10 and I can set it so that it will
>> > incrementally outbid anyone else up to a limit I establish (let say
>> > $20)....it won't be the entire $20 unless someone bids, let say
>> $19.50. But
>> > if the top bid just before the close of the auction is $17, it
>> will make my
>> > bid for me, allowing me to win.
>>
>> What you're describing is normal E-Bay behavior. What I'm talking
>> about is 3rd party software.
>>
>> Karen

> What would it allow me to do that this doesn't?

My memory is very vague. You can google on e-bay software if you want.

I know it allows you to manage a large number of auctions at the same
time, but the image that I have in my brain is that it allows you to
swoop in at the last minute. I know someone who lost something to
someone who probably had this sort of software (the person swooped in
in the last minute).

I'm not recommending this software, I'm just saying that it exists,
and that you are competing against people who have it. I was surprised
that such a category of software exists, but it seems to be a large
market.

Karen

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>
> > I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires money
> > to win.
>
> Mais non, one can win through <timing>, not just money.
>
> Karen

I guess it's true with any auction, but it seems especially true with ebay that the
appeal of winning the competition sells an awful lot of junk that would never sell at
any price on an open shelf.


BrP

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:59:02 PM, sandra wrote:
> Legislators behave the same everywhere. You think California hasn't got it's
> pranksters?

QED. The very fact that you think these are 'pranksters'.

> Don't worry. I'm not packing yet.  Are you sorry you moved to TX?

No.

> Am I insane to want to leave the Bay Area?

I'm not sure you could live anywhere else.

Karen

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 1:00:09 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> I guess it's true with any auction, but it seems especially true with ebay that the
> appeal of winning the competition sells an awful lot of junk that would never sell at
> any price on an open shelf.

One man's trash is another man's treasure...

Karen

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My first crush on someone I didn't know, was on Clark Gable. Here's a nice
bit about him in today's tribute to Robert Stack, who just died:

*****

He (Stack) recalled playing polo with mentor Spencer Tracy and receiving
advice from his "surrogate father," Clark Gable.

"He brought a bottle of 21-year-old Scotch and put it between us," Stack
told the AP. "'There's a rumor going around that you're gonna try to be an
actor.'

"I thought I'd give it a shot," Stack replied.

"Clark said, 'You're gonna be one thing: A pro. Show up on time, know your
lines. ... And if you ever become a thing called a celebrity -- a word I
hate -- if you ever do, and you use that power to push people around, I'm
gonna kick you right in the (expletive).' "

*****

Sandra

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> Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:59:02 PM, sandra wrote:
> > Legislators behave the same everywhere. You think California
> hasn't got it's
> > pranksters?
>
> QED. The very fact that you think these are 'pranksters'.
>
> > Don't worry. I'm not packing yet.  Are you sorry you moved to TX?
>
> No.
>
> > Am I insane to want to leave the Bay Area?
>
> I'm not sure you could live anywhere else.
>
> Karen

Why? I lived in Los Angeles for 10 years.  I've always felt I could be happy
anywhere.

Sandra

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At 02:00 PM 5/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > > I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires
> money
> > > to win.
> >
> > Mais non, one can win through <timing>, not just money.
> >
> > Karen
>
>I guess it's true with any auction, but it seems especially true with ebay
>that the
>appeal of winning the competition sells an awful lot of junk that would
>never sell at
>any price on an open shelf.
>
>
>BrP

I'm with you on this one Paul.

I was once bidding on a matchbox car for my godson. I lost the bid. The
winner paid $17.50 for the damn thing. I bought it at CVS for $4.99.

lisa

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sandra writes,

>Yes, a bid could currently be at $10 and I can set it so that it will
>incrementally outbid anyone else up to a limit I establish (let say
>$20)....it won't be the entire $20 unless someone bids, let say $19.50. But
>if the top bid just before the close of the auction is $17, it will make my
>bid for me, allowing me to win.

Karen's talking about software to help you snipe -- bid in the last seconds
of the auction.

For a savvy buyer who knows her price, there's little point in bidding
early; it just encourages others to counter-bid.  So a seasoned buyer will
bid only at the last 20 seconds of the auction or so.

This is good for the buyer, bad for the seller (less emotional bidding and
counter-bidding), and annoys and frustrates the newbies who feel it's
unfair to have the auction "stolen" at the last second.

There are services, such as eSnipe, that will do this for you; they're
particularly handy if you're away from the computer when the auction is ending.

Pete

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 1:00:04 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen's talking about software to help you snipe -- bid in the last seconds
> of the auction.

Thank you--I didn't know there was a term for this.

The software also allows you to manage large numbers of auctions
(which I guess is implicit in your statement that you can do this when
you're away from the computer).

Karen

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Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 8:55:43 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> I was thinking about you and your unemployment last night. Your comment
> about being as sincere as you possibly could be, when responding to Rashmi,
> resonated with me.

I'm sorry I didn't respond to this right away; I've been thinking
about what you said. I appreciate that you understand this.

> The few times I've seen him off line, I've been amazed at the change in
> him. Tina and I ran into him a couple weeks ago. She'd never met him before
> and liked him a lot. Later on she said, "you know your friend is great  but
> he seems incredibly depressed, you should get in touch with him and ask him
> to go out or something".

I was very depressed, but my evil twins have helped, and so has a
therapist.

> Being in high tech myself, I'm trying to prepare myself should there be
> another round of layoffs here. Even the planning and worrying is exhausting.

Network, network, network, baby!

> So I've been sitting here thinking about the toll long term unemployment
> takes. How it must be somewhat hard to wish someone else good luck when you
> need that luck yourself.

It's easy because Rashmi is in a different field in a different
city. It's much harder when it's someone, like my friend John, in my
field and applying for the same jobs and doing much better than I
am. However, we had a <talk> last weekend, and instead of feeling
jealous and angry, I have decided to enlist him in my job search.

> The short of the long is, I'm glad you've been able to keep your head above
> water for as long as you have and I hope you don't have to do it for much
> longer.

>From your lips to god's ears...

> Good luck Karen,

> lisa

Thank you.

Karen

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At 11:57 AM 5/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>You may be <competitive>, though...

Bonnie occasionally has shown flashes of competitiveness, but I doubt that
competitive shopping interests her any more than collecting does.

cwv

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 12:11:54 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 11:57 AM 5/15/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>You may be <competitive>, though...

> Bonnie occasionally has shown flashes of competitiveness, but I doubt that
> competitive shopping interests her any more than collecting does.

True.

But <auction fever> is a strange and wonderful thing...

Karen

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One of my once-in-a-while lunch friends, a retired chemistry professor
and avid golfer, said today at lunch that Willie Nelson and several of
his band members were just ahead of them on the MSU golf course a couple
of days ago.  (There was a WN concert in Starkville a few nights ago.)
Somehow I find the image of Willie as a golfer funny.

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"again, all around" wrote:
>
> Natalie:
> > the term is used just for that group of congresspeople or whether it
> > might be applied to others who share their views and party.
>
> What I carried away from reading that
> piece is that, yes, it is applied only
> to congresscritters.

Yes, that's the impression it gave.  So maybe it hasn't spread, in which
case I'm not sure whether there's a term to correspond with the
Republican term JMW mentioned.

> Oh, and henceforth I'll transmit URLs
> only by telepathy, sensitive guy that
> I am.

Very good.  One should not clutter list space with URLs.

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 1:48:33 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Somehow I find the image of Willie as a golfer funny.

I did the first time, but I don't any more. He's a versatile guy.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Somehow I smell surgery somewhere in this brew.

I wondered why you had been so quiet lately.  I'm glad he's in a good
hospital being <looked into>, so to speak.  I bet your smell of surgery
is right.  It's great that you have such a pleasant place to stay during
the unpleasantness!  I'm sending get-fixed-quickly-and-easily vibes to
Gene and hang-in-there vibes to you.

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Neal Traven wrote:

> BTW, I didn't see my comment re:the FCC.  Come to think of it, though,
> MoveOn (http://www.moveon.org) might have been collecting comments to be
> sent to congresscritters rather than the FCC.

I had already sent mine directly to the FCC before getting the moveon
mail.  According to the moveon website, they are collecting the comments
to send to congresscritters, but there is also a box to click if you
want them to file your comment as a "public comment" with the FCC.

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Willie is pretty famous as a golfer. Matthew McConaghuey (sp) said on the
Conan show that about all Willie does these days is play golf and smoke
dope. Willie says he's cut down on the latter somewhat. I can also tell you
from personal experience that he still tours and puts on a heck of a great
show these days. And he's coming back down here soon Wo0+!

-a
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> One of my once-in-a-while lunch friends, a retired chemistry professor
> and avid golfer, said today at lunch that Willie Nelson and several of
> his band members were just ahead of them on the MSU golf course a couple
> of days ago.  (There was a WN concert in Starkville a few nights ago.)
> Somehow I find the image of Willie as a golfer funny.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The

Weird that I just mentioned Willie.

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bonniev wrote:

> I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires money
> to win.

I thought the competition angle was about the timing near the end of the
bidding period.

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 2:01:22 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The

> Weird that I just mentioned Willie.

I mentioned him first. He's been in the news a lot lately--I think
he hibernates during the winter.

Karen

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"Texas Politics:  Not for the squeamish!"

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Evidently Willie Nelson has sent them whisky and red bandannas. The
>
> > Weird that I just mentioned Willie.
>
> I mentioned him first. He's been in the news a lot lately--I think

Well, yes.  But I hadn't read any mail when I wrote that.  What I meant
that I found weird was that we both mentioned him on the same day for
different reasons and without having reminded each other of him by
reading each other's posting.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Thursday, May 15, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Well, yes.  But I hadn't read any mail when I wrote that.  What I meant
> that I found weird was that we both mentioned him on the same day for
> different reasons and without having reminded each other of him by
> reading each other's posting.

He is always on my mind...

Karen

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> "Texas Politics:  Not for the squeamish!"
>
> Karen

Speaking of squeamish, I caught the movie IDENTITY a few days ago. I'm glad
I saw it solo. I saw most of it through my fingers and the rest of it out of
my seat. I'm surprised my heart has enough remaining energy to beat. I don't
often subject myself to scary movies....this was a very good one.

Sandra

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off to T.O. for the weekend
going nomail
I have no idea what Victoria Day actually celebrates, but it's as good an excuse as
any.

BrP

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>-----Original Message-----
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>off to T.O. for the weekend
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>I have no idea what Victoria Day actually celebrates, but it's
>as good an excuse as
>any.
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>BrP
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Wear your mask!


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>off to T.O. for the weekend
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>any.
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>BrP
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Victoria Day!

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/jfa-ha/victoria_e.cfm


alec

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> >
>
> Wear your mask!
>
>
> alec

Prolly not.  Didn't you hear that Toronto has officially been declared safe?  Besides,
I've been there twice since the first outbreak and have managed to remain sarsless.

BrP

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>Didn't you hear that Toronto has officially been declared safe?

Evidently Alec's not the only one; Air
Canada has suspended its MSY-XYZ flight
on account of of decreased demand they
blame, in part, on SARS.

--
Richard          don't we?  don't we?

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>For a savvy buyer who knows her price, there's little point in bidding
>early; it just encourages others to counter-bid.  So a seasoned buyer will
>bid only at the last 20 seconds of the auction or so.
>Pete

I'm glad I started this discussion about eBay.  I'm beginning to lose
interest in the whole process.  I can't picture anything I want badly
enough to get involved with these kinds of games.


    --bonniev

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Dude! Glass half full, etc. Enjoy, go with the flow, don't let the bastards
wear you down, etc. Glad nobody around here is visiting there, just the
same.

-aht

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> off to T.O. for the weekend
> going nomail
> I have no idea what Victoria Day actually celebrates, but it's as good an
excuse as
> any.
>
> BrP
>

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>bonniev wrote:
> > I don't see me getting competitive over an issue that simply requires money
> > to win.
>
>I thought the competition angle was about the timing near the end of the
>bidding period.    -- Natalie

That's still a problem that could be eliminated by throwing enough money at
it.  If you put a really nice high bid on an item, everyone else would drop
out long before "the end".


    --bonniev

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> >For a savvy buyer who knows her price, there's little point in bidding
> >early; it just encourages others to counter-bid.  So a seasoned
> buyer will
> >bid only at the last 20 seconds of the auction or so.
> >Pete
>
> I'm glad I started this discussion about eBay.  I'm beginning to lose
> interest in the whole process.  I can't picture anything I want badly
> enough to get involved with these kinds of games.
>
>     --bonniev

No one said you have to play games. If you like the item, just BUY IT NOW.

Sandra

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JMW:
>> I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get cramps , either.
>

Very rarely.

> The only kind of woman who doesn't get cramps wears a size 14 heel, a wig,
> fishnet stockings, and lip-synchs ABBA hits on stage at the club on drag
> nights.
>
> -aht

Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
allow me to become the above.

Terry

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Doris,

   Good thoughts going to you and Gene.  Best of luck, keep us posted.

Terry

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> Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
> allow me to become the above.

I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.

-a

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At 10:04 AM 5/15/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 07:18 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>At 10:10 PM 5/14/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>>>I plan on at least trying to get into the Bar Harbor waters this summer.
>>>>
>>>>lisa
>>>
>>>
>>>I bet they'll be chilly!
>>>
>>>Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a pool.
>>
>>Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.
>>
>>Betty
>
>Does that mean you'll be checking out the swimming hole with Terry and I?

Sure.  Why not?  The kids , too!

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At 07:56 AM 5/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> > >Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a
> pool.
> >
> > Ah, an adventurous woman!  MY kind of woman.
> >
> > Betty
>
>     I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get <cramps>, either.

Sigh.   You really hate to lose, don't you?  I'm ready this time, John.

Betty

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Thanks, Pete!

Betty

At 09:09 PM 5/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Remember to check out the total eclipse of the moon (the Earth's shadow
>falling over the full moon) tomorrow night.  Totality is at 8:40pm PDT /
>11:40pm EDT, and all you need is a clear view of the moon to the southeast
>(it'll be just rising on the West Coast, so you'll need to be able to see
>down to the horizon).  It's entirely safe -- you'll be looking at the moon,
>not the
>sun.
>
>More info -- (BAWLers should chase the last two URLs, in particular ;-)
>
>Lunar Eclipse Computer (time, azimuth, altitude for any location)
>http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/LunarEclipse.html
>
>NASA press release
>http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/extra/TLE2003May15.html
>
>Lunar eclipse photographs
>http://www.mreclipse.com/MrEclipse.html#LE
>
>Space.com article
>http://www.space.com/spacewatch/lunar_eclipse_news_030425.html
>
>San Francisco Bay Area suggested viewing spots
>http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2003-May/000218.html
>http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2003-May/000219.html
>
>Pete
>http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000267.html

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Betty wrote:

> At 09:02 PM 5/14/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I'm guessing it still is a status symbol judging by comments
>
>> I hear.  I'll ask tomorrow.  Although I'm not sure how it
>> falls in line with being of mixed race, which a large number
>> of my students are.
>
>
> Aren't they beautiful?  I just love the result of mixed up races.


        Oh, yes.  I have some absolutely gorgeous children.




--
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Oh my.  I'm a transvestite!

Terry Wild wrote:

> JMW:
>
>>> I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get cramps , either.
>>
>>
>
> Very rarely.
>
>> The only kind of woman who doesn't get cramps wears a size 14 heel, a
>> wig,
>> fishnet stockings, and lip-synchs ABBA hits on stage at the club on drag
>> nights.
>>
>> -aht
>
>
> Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
> allow me to become the above.
>
> Terry
>


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>No one said you have to play games. If you like the item, just BUY IT NOW.
>Sandra

The items I'm interested in don't give that choice.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>> No one said you have to play games. If you like the item, just BUY IT
>> NOW.
>> Sandra
>
>
> The items I'm interested in don't give that choice.


        The BUY IT NOW means the person is a retailer of some
description who auctions some items to create interest/get
customers.  Lots of Breyer horses are sold that way --
they'll do an auction for a model, but you can order it for
a regular retail price.  Kinda stupid for the buyer since
you never save money that way.  I find E-bay overpriced for
the few things I collect on occasion.



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From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > Let me guess: you stayed with the Toals?
>
> Hey, Marie, don't be hatin'!

Don't I even deserve a flame yet? Dag.

Marie

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sandra wrote:

> often subject myself to scary movies....this was a very good one.

Have any of you seen "The Craft"?  I taped it a few nights ago and am
maybe going to watch it tonight.

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"again, all around" wrote:

> Evidently Alec's not the only one; Air
> Canada has suspended its MSY-XYZ flight
> on account of of decreased demand they
> blame, in part, on SARS.

Unrelated to SARS, but I am most unhappy to have learned recently that
Northwest is ceasing service to GTR.  I've got 300,000 NW ff miles to
use, which is going to mean driving to Tupelo or maybe just going on and
driving to Memphis.  That won't be so bad for departures, but I am not
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> sandra wrote:
>
> > often subject myself to scary movies....this was a very good one.
>
> Have any of you seen "The Craft"?  I taped it a few nights ago and am
> maybe going to watch it tonight.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Nope. I think it's supposed to be good. I'm about to watch THE ART OF WAR. I
like Wesley Snipes.

Sandra

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We're getting it - golf ball size hail, tornadoes, 100 mph winds, trees
uprooted, live power lines down (some on top of occupied cars - on
Kingston Pike earlier), power outages. I spent the better part of the day
in Roane County (near Kingston)- I'm glad we got back before the storms
hit. They are still with us, though the rain and hail in the Old City have
ceased. Wonder what my van looks like? Maybe I'll get a total loss on it
...

Bethany

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>Update on the Markland family:

Doris - I hope that all goes well -

Bethany

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Anne Toal wrote:

> Willie is pretty famous as a golfer.

    Heck, yea.  Didn't anybody see "Electric Horseman"?

JMW

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Betty Clark wrote:

> > > >Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a
> > pool.
>
> >     I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get <cramps>, either.
>
> Sigh.   You really hate to lose, don't you?  I'm ready this time, John.

    Uh, Terry, I was referring to someone who shall remain nameless who REALLY
let the side down at the First Invitational Prime Meeber Acquacade and Beer
Run.

            (to the tune of Fishin' Hole)

Bee double-E, double-R you en, beer run!
Bee double-E, double-R you en, beer run!  (Beer run!)
All we need is a ten and fiver,
A set of car keys and a sober driver,
Bee double-E, double-R you en, beer run!

JMW

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02003-05-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> But <auction fever> is a strange and wonderful thing...

K-R-N,

Get a life ...

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02003-05-15 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > I'm not fond of the legislators, but I got a *thing* for Willie.
> > > I'd send them buns, because they're such weenies.
> >
> > Your heart may be leading you to Texas, but I'd say that <not getting>
> > this whole legislator thang is a huge obstacle to your ever being
> > happy here.
>
> Legislators behave the same everywhere. You think California hasn't got
> it's pranksters?

Where's my Tylenol

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I've been down all afternoon, after visiting my mother's old roommate in
the nursing home this morning, when I took Spencer to participate in a
pet parade there.  I'm glad I saw the announcement in the newspaper
since only five dogs showed up for it.  Anyway, this was the first time
in a good while that I'd visited with Ann, who has had her up times and
down times for years, I've been told, but who has reached a point now of
not really knowing where she is or who anybody is.  She's still pleasant
-- neat, clean, smiling, etc.  But she didn't even recognize Spencer.
I'm depressed.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-15 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
> > allow me to become the above.
>
> I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.

Agreed 100% ... stupid ass

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At 03:38 PM 5/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > > > >Terry, who would go anyway and might even though she'll have use of a
> > > pool.
> >
> > >     I'll bet she's the kind of woman who doesn't get <cramps>, either.
> >
> > Sigh.   You really hate to lose, don't you?  I'm ready this time, John.
>
>     Uh, Terry, I was referring to someone who shall remain nameless who
> REALLY
>let the side down at the First Invitational Prime Meeber Acquacade and Beer
>Run.
>
>             (to the tune of Fishin' Hole)
>
>Bee double-E, double-R you en, beer run!
>Bee double-E, double-R you en, beer run!  (Beer run!)
>All we need is a ten and fiver,
>A set of car keys and a sober driver,
>Bee double-E, double-R you en, beer run!
>
>JMW

Not only does he hate to lose, he holds a grudge!

Betty

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 10:09:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
kamana@YAHOO.COM writes:

<<
Somehow I smell surgery somewhere in this brew.

>>

Doris, I hope little or no surgery is needed.

Keeping the both of you in my prayers.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
Right after Christmas Kathie decided that she didn't want to
be our friend anymore after being closer to Mom and me than
my own sister.  Even today, I find myself thinking "I should
forward this joke or horoscope to Kathie," and then I remember
that she'll never read it.

Evelyn

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At 07:10 AM 5/15/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>  I wrongly thought that getting away from it
>all would be a relaxing experience.

Some people in trying to get away from it all end up bringing it all with them.

cwv

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At 07:52 PM 5/15/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?


Forget it.

cwv

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So all week I've been looking forward to my jury duty tomorrow. Brought the
form with me so I'd remember to call after 3 p.m. today to see if I was
needed tomorrow, and the prerecorded message said for all jurors to report.

Got home...and discovered my service was for today, not tomorrow. Somehow
I'd read the form wrong a bazillion times and I got the "5/15" and "call
after 3pm the preceding business day" ingrained and conflated...and didn't
realize I should have called on the 14th.

D'oh!

My plan is to go tomorrow anyway and see if they can use me. I hope I'm not
fined. I feel so dumb.

--Adam

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--On Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:38 PM -0700 John Williams
<williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU> wrote:

> Uh, Terry, I was referring to someone who shall remain nameless who REALLY
> let the side down at the First Invitational Prime Meeber Acquacade and
> Beer Run.

Oh...those kind of cramps. Of course we were talking about swimming, but
Anne's character post just pointed the other way and was fun to follow.

I'm sorry for your loss, sounds like nameless wants to make it up.
Will there be a SIPMABR?

Terry

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
> Right after Christmas Kathie decided that she didn't want to
> be our friend anymore after being closer to Mom and me than
> my own sister.  Even today, I find myself thinking "I should
> forward this joke or horoscope to Kathie," and then I remember
> that she'll never read it.

Why did she decide that she didn't want to be your friend?  Sounds to me
like somebody who wasn't much of a friend in the first place and is
better just forgotten.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 9:52:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<<
Is Oklahoma really *that* bad?

>>

No.  Even if Tulsa Transit did cut out half the bus routes, it's
still a good place.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 4:43:21 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         The BUY IT NOW means the person is a retailer of some
> description who auctions some items to create interest/get
> customers.

You have to have a reserve in order to BUY IT NOW.

Karen

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:11:50 -0500
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> My plan is to go tomorrow anyway and see if they can use me. I hope I'm not
> fined. I feel so dumb.

Pack your jail bag.  Does your local jail have internet access?  If not,
you need to plead listownership to make your stay there less long.

Actually, I was amazed and think I reported about somebody I know who
was called for jury duty the same time I was at that horrible time when
I got stuck in Athens and then stuck in Memphis and was going crazy
trying to call the courthouse from Greece, then from Memphis, then
leaving an AT&T message for both the courthouse and an English Dept
secretary to call the courthouse, etc. etc.  When I finally got home,
several hours after the time I was to show up for jury duty, I found out
that it had been cancelled.  In telling this story to the other person I
knew who was called (somebody who works in the office of the person who
owns my old neighborhood), she laughed and said that she had just
decided to ignore it -- that Dan needed her at work, so she did nothing
at all.

I was thinking that the moral of that story was that you might not end
up in jail after all, but then I remembered that this jury had been
cancelled.  So maybe you will end up in jail.  Shall we start collecting
bond for you?  I wonder whether that KLM desk person in Amsterdam thinks
I'm still in jail.  I told her when I finally made it as far as
Amsterdam that that last leg of the trip -- MEM to GTR -- was crucial
since I had jury duty at 8:00 the next morning and would be put in jail
if I didn't show up.  She seemed seriously concerned, but there was
nothing she could do about the fact that that flight was overbooked by
something like twenty people.  The KLM idiots in Athens just didn't <get
it> that that was the Sunday night at the end of spring break and that
MEM->GTR would be megamightily overbooked.

Anyway, please send us your jail address so that we can send cards.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:01:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Why did she decide that she didn't want to be your friend?
>>

I don't know.  We used to go out together to restaurants and
movie dates; she's the one who supported Mom and me when
Brandy was so sick and we had to decide to put him to sleep;
we used to send each other humorous emails that we had
read; I supported her when she lost one kitty and when she
was mooning over her boss.  Mom and I had adopted her into
the family.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 6:00:48 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> But <auction fever> is a strange and wonderful thing...

> K-R-N,

> Get a life ...

I think going to auctions *IS* part of life. The online variety is a
pale, pale imitation.

Karen

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?

One possibility is to think fondly of a friend one had in the past.

Bethany

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>     Brrrrr.  Being tried by people too stupid to get out of jury duty is a
> chilling thought.

I *liked* jury duty! (Can't really address the stupid part now, can I?)

>     To hell with flowers, you'll want cartons of Kools.

Good point, but I don't think I'd have to worry about becoming anyone's
bitch. *menace*

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I compliment you on your good citizenship! I think jury duty is very
> important, and I admire all who serve willingly. I hope they let you
> serve. Tell them I recommend you highly.

We'll see how it goes. *sigh* But thanks.

--Adam
p.s. Natalie....Our jails just have cable TV...no internet as far as I know.
I'd probably be at the Stony Brook Correctional Center in Ludlow if you want
to send flowers.

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Thursday, May 15, 2003, 5:39:10 PM, John Williams wrote:
> Anne Toal wrote:
>> Willie is pretty famous as a golfer.

>     Heck, yea.  Didn't anybody see "Electric Horseman"?

Thank you, I was trying to think of the name of that movie.

I don't remember any golfing, though.

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 07:52 PM 5/15/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
>
> Forget it.

    Clyde's right, Evelyn.  Let it go.  BTDT.  Although I was the first
person he called after his wife's suicide...

JMW

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:18:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
One possibility is to think fondly of a friend one had in the past.

>>

I wish I could go back and see him again; we could go see the
new Matrix movie and then go to Friendly's for quesadillas.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Will there be a SIPMABR?

    Heck, yea, why not?

JMW

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:33:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<
Clyde's right, Evelyn.  Let it go.  BTDT.
>>

I guess so.  But it does seem as if there have been too
many changes in my life since Christmas.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
> Right after Christmas Kathie decided that she didn't want to
> be our friend anymore after being closer to Mom and me than
> my own sister.  Even today, I find myself thinking "I should
> forward this joke or horoscope to Kathie," and then I remember
> that she'll never read it.
>
> Evelyn

This is a tough one. Obviously, you have been getting on with life, since
this happened 5 mos ago. That it still catches you unexpectedly shows
that, for you, she was important.

Since you don't know the reason, for her decision, it seems possible that
she will show up again sometime after whatever it was gets taken care of.
For that reason, I would try not to take it too hard,

and I would look for other ways to take care of the parts of your life
that made her important, while respecting and honoring her choice.

My husband had a close friend who didn't talk to him for over ten years -
it was a terrible rift, and he was very hurt, because they had seen each
other almost every day for years and years before that. Everybody had
theories of why Joe was mad at V, but in the end it turned out that he was
working double shifts to make ends meet, and just had no energy for
anything social, which made him appear angry and unwilling to spend time
with his friends. He got laid off last year, and they have been getting
together about once a week; they laugh and tell stories and it feels very
much like all those years of separation never happened.

But even if they never saw each other again, thinking of Joe as a friend
whom he missed instead of wondering "what Joe's problem was" or what he
might have done to offend Joe, would surely be a more profitable way to
spend that time...

clo

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:49:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
(Is <Kathie> a male?)


>>

No, she's a female.  Glen, my friend in Akron, is male.
He was also a movie-restaurant-and-bookbuying friend.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Suck it up.  Life's like that.  Wait for what's next.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> >Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > >How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
> >
> > Forget it.
>
>     Clyde's right, Evelyn.  Let it go.  BTDT.  Although I was the first
>person he called after his wife's suicide...
>JMW

And here is how you go about "forgetting it":   Don't try to figure out why
she ended the friendship.  Don't demand that she explain herself.  Don't
assume she is just depressed and will come around.  Don't stand by and wait
for her to return.  Give her a last gift of friendship:  let her
go.  Sometimes friendships have served their purpose and now have become a
burden.  The two parties to the friendship may not arrive at that point at
the same time.  She wants out.  Let her have that option.  All the things
you used to tell her, write them in a journal or make a new friend.


    --bonniev

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>So all week I've been looking forward to my jury duty tomorrow. Brought the
>form with me so I'd remember to call after 3 p.m. today to see if I was
>needed tomorrow, and the prerecorded message said for all jurors to report.

I compliment you on your good citizenship! I think jury duty is very
important, and I admire all who serve willingly. I hope they let you
serve. Tell them I recommend you highly.

Bethany

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > I compliment you on your good citizenship! I think jury duty is very
> > important, and I admire all who serve willingly.

    Brrrrr.  Being tried by people too stupid to get out of jury duty is a
chilling thought.

> p.s. Natalie....Our jails just have cable TV...no internet as far as I know.
> I'd probably be at the Stony Brook Correctional Center in Ludlow if you want
> to send flowers.

    To hell with flowers, you'll want cartons of Kools.

JMW

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>One possibility is to think fondly of a friend one had in the past.
>
>I wish I could go back and see him again; we could go see the
>new Matrix movie and then go to Friendly's for quesadillas.

Maybe another possibility is to intentionally form a new friendship with
another person for movies and meals. (Is <Kathie> a male?)

Bethany

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02003-05-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Suck it up.  Life's like that.  Wait for what's next.

I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
English teacher

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Suck it up.  Life's like that.  Wait for what's next.
>>
>
> I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> English teacher


        Suck it up.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:47:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
But even if they never saw each other again, thinking of Joe as a friend
whom he missed instead of wondering "what Joe's problem was" or what he
might have done to offend Joe, would surely be a more profitable way to
spend that time...

>>

Well, I wish her well and even left her a voicemail last week when
we had the storms heading here (she lives in a trailer with her three
cats).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:23:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
Our jails just have cable TV
>>

Is WebTV still around?

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:46:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
All the things
you used to tell her, write them in a journal or make a new friend.

>>

I think I'd rather get another cat.  They're easier to understand than
people.

Evelyn Duncan
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can be seen by URL-chasers at:

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/weather/article/0,1406,KNS_372_1964410,00.html

Some details:

A large oak fell across the 4200 block of Kingston Pike between the Greek
Orthodox Church and Western Plaza Thursday afternoon taking a power pole
with it. The tree damaged Knoxville attorney Wade Davies' Audi A6, which
he has been driving a week. Davies, and three occupants of nearby cars,
were unhurt.

A tree across Tobler Lane forced cars to detour through the West Hills
High school parking lot to get to and from Sutherland Avenue late today
afternoon. The tree was knocked down during the thunder storms.

A large oak fell across the 4200 block of Kingston Pike pulling down a
power pole and lines with it late Thursday afternoon. The trunk was about
four feet in diameter. City of Knoxville Public Service department
employees Tommy Peace, left, and Dustin Hammond use chainsaws to clear
away branches.

Bethany

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Is your van okay?  Hope there are no serious injuries.  I'd rather have the
scare of earthquakes.

Betty

At 09:47 PM 5/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>can be seen by URL-chasers at:
>
>http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/weather/article/0,1406,KNS_372_1964410,00.html
>
>Some details:
>
>A large oak fell across the 4200 block of Kingston Pike between the Greek
>Orthodox Church and Western Plaza Thursday afternoon taking a power pole
>with it. The tree damaged Knoxville attorney Wade Davies' Audi A6, which
>he has been driving a week. Davies, and three occupants of nearby cars,
>were unhurt.
>
>A tree across Tobler Lane forced cars to detour through the West Hills
>High school parking lot to get to and from Sutherland Avenue late today
>afternoon. The tree was knocked down during the thunder storms.
>
>A large oak fell across the 4200 block of Kingston Pike pulling down a
>power pole and lines with it late Thursday afternoon. The trunk was about
>four feet in diameter. City of Knoxville Public Service department
>employees Tommy Peace, left, and Dustin Hammond use chainsaws to clear
>away branches.
>
>Bethany

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Betty wrote:

>Is your van okay?  Hope there are no serious injuries.  I'd rather have the
>scare of earthquakes.

Thanks for asking - my van suffered no damage from the hail - to my
surprise. Since we don't have trees of any size in the Old CIty, we have
no falling tree damage. And most power lines are underground.

One thing I hate about the idea of moving to my beloved Sequoyah Hills is
the inevitable loss of power in a storm - there are so many trees that
power line damage is inevitable in a storm of any consequence at all.

Here's what happened to a friend in Karns (toward Oak Ridge) today:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
When I drove home from church, I drove straight into the tail of the
tornado that was passing through the heart of Karns. The trees were
bending in half out this way and debris and hail was hammering my car as
I drove up my street. As I pulled into my driveway, a tree directly
across the street snapped and fell directly onto and was suspended upon
the power line that started to shoot sparks and fire. Then, as I pulled
under the carport and opened my car door, the top of a large Hickory tree
landed directly on the roof overhead with a tremendous thud. Matt [her
son] was sitting in the middle of the bathroom floor assuming an air raid
position.

When the worst of it had passed, I went outside to assess the damage. The
tree had been completely uprooted from the ground and blown over. Since
only the upper branches were lying across about a 35' section of the roof
of the carport and house, I don't think there is any damage under it. A
tree man came to look at it and will begin working tomorrow. There were
also four additional very large trees that had either been snapped off at
the lower trunks or uprooted across the street.

In other words, all hell seemed to break loose after such a heavenly day!
---

[We had been on retreat in Roane County.]

Bethany

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The moon is disappearing.  Must be some ice crystals up there because there
is a rainbow effect around the moon.

    --bonniev

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> p.s. Natalie....Our jails just have cable TV...no internet as far as I know.

Maybe they have WebTV.

> I'd probably be at the Stony Brook Correctional Center in Ludlow if you want
> to send flowers.

Are flowers allowed?  What about visitors?  If you're still in when
we're at Acadiafest, maybe a bunch of us can plan a visit you.  But I
bet they don't allow bunches.  We can figure out a way to spread
ourselves out.  Maybe we can even figure out a way to spring you.  We
can sneak in some wire-cutters or something to enable you to snip down
the bars on the window.  Then we can stand under the window for you to
jump onto our shoulders, and we'll spirit you away.  You may have to
leave the state, of course, but that's ok.  We'll find a place for you.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> English teacher

Were you having an affair?  Was it good?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I think I'd rather get another cat.  They're easier to understand than
> people.

Good idea.

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Betty wrote:
>
> Is your van okay?  Hope there are no serious injuries.  I'd rather have the
> scare of earthquakes.

Than hail?  I wouldn't.  Although I enjoyed the regular earthquakelets
in Japan, I would not want to be there for The Big One.  Every time my
chandelier started swaying and the windows and dishes started rattling,
I checked to make sure it was side-to-side rather than vertical
movement.  My Japanese friends told me that if it's vertical, you move
into the serious action (chair in door, gas off, body under table with
mat on top of head, etc.).

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At 09:46 PM 5/15/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Is your van okay?  Hope there are no serious injuries.  I'd rather have the
> > scare of earthquakes.
>
>Than hail?  I wouldn't.

No.  Hail is okay.  I was thinking tornadoes, hurricanes.

B

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Almost forgot to report -- I found it a dumb movie.
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So far so good.

Tomorrow afternoon the balloon up
to the heart to learn if there are
problems in addition to the defective
valve.  Then decisions.  Surgery almost
certain.

Now to bed.

         - D. M.

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At 07:44 PM 5/15/2003 -0700, Doris Markland wrote:
>So far so good.
>
>Tomorrow afternoon the balloon up
>to the heart to learn if there are
>problems in addition to the defective
>valve.  Then decisions.  Surgery almost
>certain.
>
>Now to bed.

Nite, Doris.  Take care.  Did you look at the moon?

Betty

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Betty wrote:
> > > Is your van okay?  Hope there are no serious injuries.  I'd rather have the
> > > scare of earthquakes.
> >
> >Than hail?  I wouldn't.
>
> No.  Hail is okay.  I was thinking tornadoes, hurricanes.

Hurricanes are better than earthquakes as far as one's <body> since
there are ample warnings to get the heck out of there.  (That's one
negative about my thoughts about moving to Bay St. Louis -- the bother
of having to leave when it might not be convenient to leave.)  Tornadoes
aren't except that their path is narrower, thus decreasing one's risk,
and going into a windowless room in the middle of a house is likely to
save your life, which might not be true in a major earthquake.  But
driving one's van into a windowless room in the middle of a house might
be problematic.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> So far so good.
>
> Tomorrow afternoon the balloon up
> to the heart to learn if there are
> problems in addition to the defective
> valve.  Then decisions.  Surgery almost
> certain.
>
> Now to bed.

I don't know how much mail-reading you're having a chance to do, but I
hope you keep sending reports!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.

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At 10:14 PM 5/15/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.

How nice for you.

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Some details:
*snip*

Wow. Glad you are ok!
clo

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> So far so good.
>
> Tomorrow afternoon the balloon up
> to the heart to learn if there are
> problems in addition to the defective
> valve.  Then decisions.  Surgery almost
> certain.
>
> Now to bed.

I will be thinking good thoughts with all my groggy little brain tomorrow
afternoon.

clo

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:

> I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.
>

... in the theatre of the mind?
clo

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.

Were the trapezes just as great?  And the elephants?  And Tony Curtis?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> So all week I've been looking forward to my jury duty tomorrow.
> Brought the
> form with me so I'd remember to call after 3 p.m. today to see if I was
> needed tomorrow, and the prerecorded message said for all jurors
> to report.
>
> Got home...and discovered my service was for today, not tomorrow. Somehow
> I'd read the form wrong a bazillion times and I got the "5/15" and "call
> after 3pm the preceding business day" ingrained and conflated...and didn't
> realize I should have called on the 14th.
>
> D'oh!
>
> My plan is to go tomorrow anyway and see if they can use me. I
> hope I'm not
> fined. I feel so dumb.
>
> --Adam

Gosh, I'd be surprised if you were penalized. I'm sure it happens (or some
variation) all the time. I'm sure it'll work out ok.

Sandra

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> How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
> Right after Christmas Kathie decided that she didn't want to
> be our friend anymore after being closer to Mom and me than
> my own sister.  Even today, I find myself thinking "I should
> forward this joke or horoscope to Kathie," and then I remember
> that she'll never read it.
>
> Evelyn

You have to accept what is. There is probably a lot more to the story than
she has let on. It is what it is. There are better friends to be had.

Sandra

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> 02003-05-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > Suck it up.  Life's like that.  Wait for what's next.
>
> I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> English teacher

Where's my mallet?

Sandra

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> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > p.s. Natalie....Our jails just have cable TV...no internet as
> far as I know.
>
> Maybe they have WebTV.
>
> > I'd probably be at the Stony Brook Correctional Center in
> Ludlow if you want
> > to send flowers.
>
> Are flowers allowed?  What about visitors?  If you're still in when
> we're at Acadiafest, maybe a bunch of us can plan a visit you.  But I
> bet they don't allow bunches.  We can figure out a way to spread
> ourselves out.  Maybe we can even figure out a way to spring you.  We
> can sneak in some wire-cutters or something to enable you to snip down
> the bars on the window.  Then we can stand under the window for you to
> jump onto our shoulders, and we'll spirit you away.  You may have to
> leave the state, of course, but that's ok.  We'll find a place for you.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have a good friend who broke out of maximum security prison and was on the
lam for 18 months. I can ask him for tips. He was no one's bitch.

Sandra

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, sandra wrote:

>  It is what it is.

I never get what it is, that "it is what it is" means.

There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.

Ann

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> On Thu, 15 May 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> >  It is what it is.
>
> I never get what it is, that "it is what it is" means.
>
> There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
> I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
>
> Ann


It means: accept what is. don't waste your time/life on wishing things were
another way... move on.

Sch.

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> 02003-05-15 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > On Thu, 15 May 2003, sandra wrote:
> > >
> > > >  It is what it is.
> > >
> > > I never get what it is, that "it is what it is" means.
> > >
> > > There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off
> conversation -
> > > I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
> >
> > It means: accept what is. don't waste your time/life on wishing things
> > were another way... move on.
>
> How do you move on with the most anti-progress phrase ever?

Pretend. Emotions usually follow actions.

Sandra

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02003-05-15 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > On Thu, 15 May 2003, sandra wrote:
> >
> > >  It is what it is.
> >
> > I never get what it is, that "it is what it is" means.
> >
> > There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
> > I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
>
> It means: accept what is. don't waste your time/life on wishing things
> were another way... move on.

How do you move on with the most anti-progress phrase ever?

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02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> > English teacher
>
> Were you having an affair?  Was it good?

It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
in 1991 I believe.

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> 02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> > > English teacher
> >
> > Were you having an affair?  Was it good?
>
> It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
> in 1991 I believe.

Did she give you an "A"? Did she keep you after class to clap her erasers?

Sch.

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02003-05-15 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> > > > English teacher
> > >
> > > Were you having an affair?  Was it good?
> >
> > It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
> > in 1991 I believe.
>
> Did she give you an "A"? Did she keep you after class to clap her erasers?

It was on a higher plane, you pigs ...

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At 8:14 PM -0700 5/15/03, Anne Toal wrote:
>I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.

I'm assuming you're talking about the latest installment of The Matrix.

Just on account of that far=beyond-the-bounds-of-decency
Uber-Product-Placement-Cola ad, I came close to making a moral decision to
NOT see that movie.  But I suspect that I will succumb.

Just out of curiousity, how many Hegemonic Cola cans were prominently
displayed in said movie?

Ken Miller
Fred School of Marketing

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02003-05-15 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> 02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> > > English teacher
> >
> > Were you having an affair?  Was it good?
>
> It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
> in 1991 I believe.

By the way "Rita Chapman" is an ice queen and should piss off...

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02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Anne Toal wrote:
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> > I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.
>
> Were the trapezes just as great?  And the elephants?  And Tony Curtis?

What the hell are you taking about? She watched Beavis and Butthead
do America.

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Ciao.  Also going nomail, but for somewhat longer.  SHK.

> off to T.O. for the weekend
> going nomail
> I have no idea what Victoria Day actually celebrates, but it's as good an excuse as
> any.

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Hang in.  Instapundit posted one post on the battery powered laptop and
signed off.  SHK

> We're getting it - golf ball size hail, tornadoes, 100 mph winds, trees
> uprooted, live power lines down (some on top of occupied cars - on
> Kingston Pike earlier), power outages. I spent the better part of the day
> in Roane County (near Kingston)- I'm glad we got back before the storms
> hit. They are still with us, though the rain and hail in the Old City have
> ceased. Wonder what my van looks like? Maybe I'll get a total loss on it

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On 15 May 2003 at 21:09, sandra wrote:

> It means: accept what is. don't waste your time/life on wishing things
> were another way... move on.

Pessimistic. Fatalistic. Defeatist. Downright un-American.

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Anne Toal:
= > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
= > allow me to become the above.
=
= I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
=
= -a

I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
lungs.

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12:23 13.05.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
>possibly bitter, though sincere.  Here's a robust hearty positive GOOD LUCK!

And here one from me!

BTW: I have found some references about the hydroelectric powerstation work my cousin once composed:

Praesens Subitus (Cecilie Ore) -
Et Cetera ... 11, 1984 for solo Percussion and Tape - Tokke Kraftverk 22 February

(This was played inside the tunnels of the Tokke hydroelectric powerstation)

I am afraid it has never been published on a recording.

Espen

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01:33 14.05.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>It seems like I might soon get my permanent permit after all,
>
>YaY!

congratulation!

Espen

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Espen S. Ore:
= 12:23 13.05.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
= >possibly bitter, though sincere.  Here's a robust hearty positive GOOD LUCK!
=
= And here one from me!
=
= BTW: I have found some references about the hydroelectric powerstation work my cousin once composed:
=
= Praesens Subitus (Cecilie Ore) -
= Et Cetera ... 11, 1984 for solo Percussion and Tape - Tokke Kraftverk 22 February
=
= (This was played inside the tunnels of the Tokke hydroelectric powerstation)
=
= I am afraid it has never been published on a recording.
=
= Espen

I'd like to award you the non sequitur of the week.

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> Just out of curiousity, how many Hegemonic Cola cans were prominently
> displayed in said movie?

I don't remember any cola cans, but there were some spectacular chase scenes
featuring current models from the General Motors family of motor vehicles.
Also Ducati motorcycles are prominently placed. Sometimes in a movie I can
separate myself from the movie and cynically look at things like porduct
placement and digital effects. Not this one. I was captivated from the first
frame. Now I just want to see it again.

-a

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19:44 15.05.2003 -0700 skrev Doris Markland:
>So far so good.
>
>Tomorrow afternoon the balloon up
>to the heart to learn if there are
>problems in addition to the defective
>valve.  Then decisions.  Surgery almost
>certain.

Good wishes are on their way!

Espen

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> > Just out of curiousity, how many Hegemonic Cola cans were prominently
> > displayed in said movie?
>
> I don't remember any cola cans, but there were some spectacular chase scenes

Speaking of scenery, there's an interesting story in today's NYT about
the careful crafting of backdrops for Dubya's public appearances.  The
picture it shows of the positioning of his head at Mt. Rushmore is good.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I *liked* jury duty! (Can't really address the stupid part now, can I?)

    Actually, I always have as well.  Not quite the intense <rush> of voting,
but close.

JMW

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>I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
>Ann

A lot of people deny that.  They seem to think it is what it should be,
what they want it to be, what they can manipulate it into being, etc.


    --bonniev

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> > It means: accept what is. don't waste your time/life on wishing things
> > were another way... move on.
>
>How do you move on with the most anti-progress phrase ever?

You move away to something that is what it is and that's A-OK by you.


    --bonniev

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My bay window perfectly framed the full
moon last night and I was able to watch the
entire eclipse while lying in bed listening
to music.  First Class.

                 - D. M.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:12 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:01:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
>natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
><<
>Why did she decide that she didn't want to be your friend?
>>>
>
>I don't know.  We used to go out together to restaurants and
>movie dates; she's the one who supported Mom and me when
>Brandy was so sick and we had to decide to put him to sleep;
>we used to send each other humorous emails that we had
>read; I supported her when she lost one kitty and when she
>was mooning over her boss.  Mom and I had adopted her into
>the family.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.
>

What did she say when you asked her about why the relationship is not
working anymore.


alec

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> Anne Toal:
> = > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but
> nature won't
> = > allow me to become the above.
> =
> = I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
> =
> = -a
>
> I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
> Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
> lungs.

Dancing Queen is the best song ever.

Marie

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On Fri, 16 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> My bay window perfectly framed the full
> moon last night and I was able to watch the
> entire eclipse while lying in bed listening
> to music.  First Class.

I just caught the first of it, or maybe midway - I never saw the moon so
ROUND, I mean spherical, ball-shaped, like you could kick it out of the
sky and it would bounce hard, not like the shining plate it usually looks
like.

Ann

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02003-05-16 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 12:23 13.05.2003 -0700 skrev Ann Borkin:
> >possibly bitter, though sincere.  Here's a robust hearty positive GOOD LUCK!
>
> And here one from me!
>
> BTW: I have found some references about the hydroelectric powerstation
> work my cousin once composed:
> Praesens Subitus (Cecilie Ore) -
>
> Et Cetera ... 11, 1984 for solo Percussion and Tape - Tokke Kraftverk 22
> February
>
> (This was played inside the tunnels of the Tokke hydroelectric
> powerstation)
>
> I am afraid it has never been published on a recording.
>
> Espen

Is she cute?

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On Fri, 16 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Dancing Queen is the best song ever.
>
> OH. MY. GOD! Me too! *squeal* Let's dance!

Sorry, Samant.  You can't leave until you've clapped my erasers!

ha ha ha ha ha

Miss Hopkins

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At 03:38 AM 5/16/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I *liked* jury duty! (Can't really address the stupid part now, can I?)
>
>     Actually, I always have as well.  Not quite the intense <rush> of voting,
>but close.

Me, too!  They did send out a warrant for my arrest though the one time
they thought I didn't show up.

Betty

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On Thu, 15 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2003, sandra wrote:
>
> >  It is what it is.
>
> I never get what it is, that "it is what it is" means.
>
> There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
> I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
>
> Ann
>
I think the English translation for that is "In sh'Allah" (as Allah wills
it).
clo

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On Fri, 16 May 2003, steph wrote:

> Anne Toal:
> = > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
> = > allow me to become the above.
> =
> = I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
> =
> = -a
>
> I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
> Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
> lungs.
>

Oh, is <that> what they were singing? I thought it was "wanner move".
clo

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Karen:
> I don't remember any golfing, though.

Willie Nelson's golf habits also
figured prominently in an episode
of King of the Hill.

--
Richard     sunup, showdown, cool winds blow down

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> > Just out of curiousity, how many Hegemonic Cola cans were prominently
> > displayed in said movie?
>
> I don't remember any cola cans, but there were some spectacular
> chase scenes
> featuring current models from the General Motors family of motor vehicles.
> Also Ducati motorcycles are prominently placed. Sometimes in a movie I can
> separate myself from the movie and cynically look at things like porduct
> placement and digital effects. Not this one. I was captivated
> from the first
> frame. Now I just want to see it again.
>
> -a

Dave saw it and while he enjoyed it, he was pissed off about the ending. I
think it's very much like how the old Batman tv-series would end..... To Be
Continued.... I think Matrix 3 comes out in October. At least with Batman (I
watched the reruns), you could find out what happened the very next day.

Sandra

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bonniev wrote:

> > >Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> > > >How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?

> And here is how you go about "forgetting it":   Don't try to figure out why
> she ended the friendship.  Don't demand that she explain herself.  Don't
> assume she is just depressed and will come around.  Don't stand by and wait
> for her to return.

I guess all these "don't-s" inevitably turn to "do"-s, and I think there's
nothing wrong if that happens. Only you most certainly won't get the answers,
Evelyn. She may answer the questions but it never will be what you expect, or
what would help you to understand her reasons, I'm afraid. You're still without
any explanations, I guess, and keep thinking things over and over until enough
time has passed for the thoughts to fade away. Or hurt less.

There was a split of friendship with my longtime deskmate in high school. We
didn't speak with each other for almost three years. And we both were sad for
it. Until we made it up. Now we write letters to each other, since she married
and moved to Norway.
We've never explained to each other what really happened. I know my reasons, I
guess hers must be quite different. So, that was a friendship that came to life
once more. But I dare not to give you the hope of the same. I'm sorry.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 05/15/2003 7:46:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> All the things
> you used to tell her, write them in a journal or make a new friend.
>
> >>
>
> I think I'd rather get another cat.  They're easier to understand than
> people.

Mmm... You may do it. You may tell the cat everything you used to tell
your friend. But is it a good idea to entirely exclude making human
friends? A cat may understand what you think of "Buffy", but it never has
its own opinion of it to share with you.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>   But it does seem as if there have been too
> many changes in my life since Christmas.

As tough it may be now, once there'll be much less changes, if any at
all. If possible, try to take at least some of them as challenges.
Perhaps?

Kristin

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> So all week I've been looking forward to my jury duty tomorrow.

What a responsibility and what courage, or braveness(?)! -- And this I say to
all wordsles who have been in jury.

> My plan is to go tomorrow anyway and see if they can use me. I hope I'm not
> fined. I feel so dumb.

You certainly will do good work.

But I have a question: if most of the jury, or all of it, is sure of the guilt
of the accused, yet there's no actual sufficient evidence, so that leaving
aside all that one may guess or feel, there's no evidence to absolutely prove
his/her guilt -- what'll happen then? Is there a person in the court who may
say, and who is obliged to say, that the evidence is not sufficient (though in
his/her heart s/he may be sure of the guilt)?

Kristin

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-16 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > Anne Toal:
> > > = > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature
> > > = > won't allow me to become the above.
> > > =
> > > = I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
> > > =
> > > = -a
> > >
> > > I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
> > > Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
> > > lungs.
> >
> > Dancing Queen is the best song ever.
>
> OH. MY. GOD! Me too! *squeal* Let's dance!

Sometimes I let ABBA play when I clean up the rooms. I used to like it for I
once felt sincere joy in their singing, (you may tell what you want, I'm
sure many would deny the sincerity there, and I'm not eager to argue).

Kristin

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Ann Borkin:
= On Fri, 16 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
=
= > My bay window perfectly framed the full
= > moon last night and I was able to watch the
= > entire eclipse while lying in bed listening
= > to music.  First Class.
=
= I just caught the first of it, or maybe midway - I never saw the moon so
= ROUND, I mean spherical, ball-shaped, like you could kick it out of the
= sky and it would bounce hard, not like the shining plate it usually looks
= like.
=
= Ann

For the first time in months, I slept through the night, and
therefore missed the whole thing.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Fri, 16 May 2003, steph wrote:
=
= > Anne Toal:
= > = > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature won't
= > = > allow me to become the above.
= > =
= > = I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
= > =
= > = -a
= >
= > I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
= > Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
= > lungs.
= >
=
= Oh, is <that> what they were singing? I thought it was "wanner move".
= clo

All these years!  Who knew!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Speaking of scenery, there's an interesting story in today's NYT about
> the careful crafting of backdrops for Dubya's public appearances.  The
> picture it shows of the positioning of his head at Mt. Rushmore is good.

    Natalie, given the recent disclosures of fabrication, plagarism, offenses
against the truth, and outright lies thrown against and sticking to the Grey Lady
I'd be hesitant to quote the NYT.  File it with Bellesilles under "Fiction".

JMW

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On Fri, 16 May 2003 11:12:48 -0400, Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>
wrote:

>In case I haven't said it in a while:  GO DEVILS!!!

I'm not really following the series but am rooting for the Canadians. GO
CANADA!

-rashmi

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rashmi Murthy
>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 2:42 PM
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>
>
>On Fri, 16 May 2003 11:12:48 -0400, Marie Ascher
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>wrote:
>
>>In case I haven't said it in a while:  GO DEVILS!!!
>
>I'm not really following the series but am rooting for the
>Canadians. GO
>CANADA!
>
>-rashmi
>
You are either joking, or do you mean the Senators from Ottawa?


alec

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And many more!

Tomorrow morning we will go off on a hike, taking a tent and sleeping bags. There is still snow in places in the forest, but we are packing lots of warm clothes.

Espen

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On Friday, May 16, 2003, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> I don't remember any golfing, though.

> Willie Nelson's golf habits also
> figured prominently in an episode
> of King of the Hill.

And Willie's music figured largely in ER last night...

Karen

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> >On Fri, 16 May 2003 11:12:48 -0400, Marie Ascher
> ><14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In case I haven't said it in a while:  GO DEVILS!!!
> >
> >I'm not really following the series but am rooting for the
> >Canadians. GO
> >CANADA!
> >
>>-rashmi
> >
>You are either joking, or do you mean the Senators from Ottawa?

Yep, I'm talking about the Senators. Anyone but the Joisey Devils.

I like the idea of a Canadian team winning the Stanley Cup once in a while.

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bonniev:

>The moon is disappearing.  Must be some ice crystals up there because there
>is a rainbow effect around the moon.

I went out after seeing bonniev's heads-up (around 11) and saw the moon
go from a chunky sliver to nothing. I love watching when the moon completely
disappears. There was a storm lurking around but the hour I spent outside
was spectacular. Perfect sky for watching celestial events.

-rashmi

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> >>In case I haven't said it in a while:  GO DEVILS!!!
> >
> >I'm not really following the series but am rooting for the
> >Canadians. GO
> >CANADA!
> >
> >-rashmi
> >
> You are either joking, or do you mean the Senators from Ottawa?

Nah. I know what she's saying. It's good to have a Canadian team in there (the Senators). If they beat the Devils (but the Devils are ahead in the series 2-1), I will root for them over either of the (boring) teams from the West.

Marie
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>I went out after seeing bonniev's heads-up (around 11) and saw the moon
>go from a chunky sliver to nothing. I love watching when the moon completely
>disappears. There was a storm lurking around but the hour I spent outside
>was spectacular. Perfect sky for watching celestial events.
>-rashmi

A friend in Milwaukee wrote this:  "I was outside in my PJ's and fleece
jacket - I must say, it got chilly! It was so AWESOME! Seeing the moon
reddish like that. When the moon was about 3/4 covered the geese over at
Whitnall [a huge park near her condo development] started honking their
hearts out! Sounded like a huge number of them. "



    --bonniev

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> And many more!
>
> Tomorrow morning we will go off on a hike, taking a tent and
> sleeping bags. There is still snow in places in the forest, but
> we are packing lots of warm clothes.
>
> Espen

I'm going on a hike at Pt. Reyes National (?) Park on Sunday with a friend.
I'm bringing my new binoculars.

Sandra

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At 09:13 PM 5/16/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>And many more!
>
>Tomorrow morning we will go off on a hike, taking a tent and sleeping
>bags. There is still snow in places in the forest, but we are packing lots
>of warm clothes.

Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even here yet.

Enjoy your trip.

Betty

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 3:20:31 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even here yet.

Now *that* is a birthday! How old are you, BB?

Karen

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> At 09:13 PM 5/16/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> >And many more!
> >
> >Tomorrow morning we will go off on a hike, taking a tent and sleeping
> >bags. There is still snow in places in the forest, but we are
> packing lots
> >of warm clothes.
>
> Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even here yet.
>
> Enjoy your trip.
>
> Betty

Hey Betty,

Happy Birthday!!!!!

Have you started the book yet?

Sandra

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At 03:32 PM 5/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Friday, May 16, 2003, 3:20:31 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even here yet.
>
>Now *that* is a birthday! How old are you, BB?

I will be 58.

Two more years. . .

Betty

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At 01:39 PM 5/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > At 09:13 PM 5/16/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> > >And many more!
> > >
> > >Tomorrow morning we will go off on a hike, taking a tent and sleeping
> > >bags. There is still snow in places in the forest, but we are
> > packing lots
> > >of warm clothes.
> >
> > Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even here yet.
> >
> > Enjoy your trip.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Hey Betty,
>
>Happy Birthday!!!!!
>
>Have you started the book yet?

Yes!

B

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Betty Clark wrote:

> > > Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even here yet.
> >
> >Now *that* is a birthday! How old are you, BB?
>
> I will be 58.
> Two more years. . .

Congrats. I find the "8" years are usually good ones - no pressure,
so more fun!
clo

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At 02:29 PM 5/16/2003 -0500, again, all around wrote:
>Yabbut the Devils may be humanity's last,
>best hope of avoiding the catastrophe of
>having something called "The Mighty Ducks"
>get a hold of the Stanley Cup.

You probably didn't like the idea of Anaheim winning the World Series, either.

>And what is *up* with ESPN fawning all
>over Giguere?

Lessee.  In a sport in which, in the playoffs, the goaltender often is
difference between advancing and hitting the golf course early,
Jean-Sebastian Giguere (my guess is that he is not a native Californian),
has led them into the conference finals <and> shut out Minnesota in the
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goaltenders have managed three consecutive shutouts in playoff
competition.  Want their names?

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At 01:11 PM 5/16/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:

>I'm going on a hike at Pt. Reyes National (?) Park on Sunday with a friend.
>I'm bringing my new binoculars.

I believe that Pt. Reyes (a great place) is a National Seashore, not a
National Park.  Nonetheless, enjoy.

cwv

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Betty,

Happy Birthday!  I am so envious.  I will soon be 54...six more years :-)

Rita L.

Betty Clark wrote:

> At 03:32 PM 5/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Friday, May 16, 2003, 3:20:31 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>> > Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even
>> here yet.
>>
>> Now *that* is a birthday! How old are you, BB?
>
>
> I will be 58.
>
> Two more years. . .
>
> Betty


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At 05:04 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
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>
>Happy Birthday!  I am so envious.  I will soon be 54...six more years :-)

Thanks.  It has been all going by very quickly.

Betty

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In a message dated 05/16/2003 11:32:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
But is it a good idea to entirely exclude making human
friends?
>>

I have plenty of friends over the Internet, including people I
discuss Buffy with, and I do have people I like who work
at Sears, and I miss seeing them everyday, even though I'm
glad I got out of Sears.

Evelyn Duncan
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At 05:04 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks, Espen!  I'm on my second cake and my birthday isn't even
> here yet.
> > >
> > >Now *that* is a birthday! How old are you, BB?
> >
> > I will be 58.
> > Two more years. . .
>
>Congrats. I find the "8" years are usually good ones - no pressure,
>so more fun!
>clo

I have very much enjoyed my 50s but I have never felt pressure being any
age.  Oh, I take that back. I thought about age when considering children.

BB

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John Williams wrote:

>     Natalie, given the recent disclosures of fabrication, plagarism, offenses
> against the truth, and outright lies thrown against and sticking to the Grey Lady
> I'd be hesitant to quote the NYT.  File it with Bellesilles under "Fiction".

Well, you can read it in the IHT then.  The same story is there also.
And no doubt elsewhere.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:52 PM
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>
>
>How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
>Right after Christmas Kathie decided that she didn't want to
>be our friend anymore after being closer to Mom and me than
>my own sister.  Even today, I find myself thinking "I should
>forward this joke or horoscope to Kathie," and then I remember
>that she'll never read it.
>
>Evelyn
>

Make other friends at work or in social situations.


alec

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Today's Commercial Appeal has a story of one "probable" and one
"possible" new SARS case in the area, two Memphis men (the probable
lives in Mississippi, the possible in Tennessee) who recently returned
from Hong Kong and Toronto, respectively.
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At 04:43 PM 5/16/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, May 16, 2003, 4:27:05 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > I believe that Pt. Reyes (a great place) is a National Seashore, not a
> > National Park.  Nonetheless, enjoy.
>
>Last time I checked, it was. But I never what the heck a National
>Seashore is, though we've probably talked about this in the past...

Both are administered by the National Park Service, USDI.  Generally,
national seashores have more limited access, less staff, and fewer
amenities (and a correspondingly lower annual budget).

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>She won't answer the phone calls or read the emails I sent to her.
>So I sent her one last email last week; the email states that I wish
>her well and I guess this is goodbye.
>Evelyn Duncan

Good for you.  Five months of harassing somebody to continue an unwanted
friendship is more than enough.


    --bonniev

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02003-05-16 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> John Williams wrote:
>
> > Natalie, given the recent disclosures of fabrication, plagarism,
> > offenses against the truth, and outright lies thrown against and
> > sticking to the Grey Lady I'd be hesitant to quote the NYT.  File
> > it with Bellesilles under "Fiction".
>
> Well, you can read it in the IHT then.  The same story is there also.
> And no doubt elsewhere.

You didn't take Journalism 101, I see ...

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02003-05-16 | Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU> writes:
> Betty,
>
> Happy Birthday!  I am so envious.  I will soon be 54...six more years :-)
>
> Rita L.

Hm,

You post a lot younger ...

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02003-05-16 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Thu, 15 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
> > I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
>
> I think the English translation for that is "In sh'Allah" (as Allah wills
> it).

No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
"God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".

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02003-05-16 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-05-15 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> >>02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >>>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
> >>>>English teacher
> >>>>
> >>>Were you having an affair?  Was it good?
> >>>
> >>It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
> >>in 1991 I believe.
> >
> >By the way "Rita Chapman" is an ice queen and should piss off...
>
>
>        It's all about the love, shithead.

I can't hear you ... that formal feeling has come over me

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  `Grutzmacher testified that she complained to an Enron executive. "I
  can't believe y'all want to do this," she told him. She contended that
  Enron should have to restate its earnings to reflect Merlin's losses.

  `The Enron executive would hear none of it. "It is what it is," he said,
  telling her that "the higher-ups" at Enron "have already decided that
  it's going to be done."'

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02003-05-16 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > Anne Toal:
> > = > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but nature
> > = > won't allow me to become the above.
> > =
> > = I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
> > =
> > = -a
> >
> > I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
> > Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
> > lungs.
>
> Dancing Queen is the best song ever.

OH. MY. GOD! Me too! *squeal* Let's dance!

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> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I *liked* jury duty! (Can't really address the stupid part now, can I?)
>
>     Actually, I always have as well.  Not quite the intense
> <rush> of voting,
> but close.
>
> JMW

It's been about 15 yrs since I sat on a jury (3 weeks worth of work at
$5/day) and I really enjoyed the experience. In our case the plaintiff
proved his case with some assistance from our able jury. We dug deep into
some of the paperwork we were provided with and discovered a chain of
evidence his lawyer had not managed to piece together. It was a gas! Both
the plaintiff and the defendant (a sales rep claimed the company he had done
some contract work for, claimed they had not paid him all his monies due)
were both pains in the ass to listen to...one very obnoxious and pissed off
and the other rather smooth and evasive.

Last year, I got called for jury duty and spent a total of 2.5 hrs in the
big waiting room with a couple hundred other folks (a few brought their
children along....what's up with that???) before they released us for the
year.

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> >How does one deal with the loss of a longstanding friendship?
>
> One possibility is to think fondly of a friend one had in the past.

Yes, a good thing to keep in mind, for you have not lost the years she
was your friend; they are still there, as a part of your life.

Kristin

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Marie Ascher:
= > Anne Toal:
= > = > Umm, I do actually have a pair of fishnet stockings...but
= > nature won't
= > = > allow me to become the above.
= > =
= > = I've always agreed that ABBA is an abomination against nature.
= > =
= > = -a
= >
= > I'm of the school that you must embrace your inner ABBA.
= > Sometimes you just need to belt out "Waterloo" at the top of your
= > lungs.
=
= Dancing Queen is the best song ever.
=
= Marie

Most likely, when I was 12, which was when Dancing Queen came
out, I was in no way willing to embrace my inner ABBA.  Disco
Sucks!  In 76/77, my musical tastes ran to Fleetwood Mac, Billy
Joel and Chicago.

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rashmi:
> Yep, I'm talking about the Senators. Anyone but the Joisey Devils.

Yabbut the Devils may be humanity's last,
best hope of avoiding the catastrophe of
having something called "The Mighty Ducks"
get a hold of the Stanley Cup.

And what is *up* with ESPN fawning all
over Giguere?  jeez, sometimes it's like
watching a bunch of guys watching pr0n.

--
Richard     sunup, showdown, cool winds blow down

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > I have just seen the greatest movie ever made.
> >
> > Were the trapezes just as great?  And the elephants?  And Tony Curtis?
>
> What the hell are you taking about? She watched Beavis and Butthead
> do America.

The Greatest Show on Earth.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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From: 14lodge@optonline.net
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In case I haven't said it in a while:  GO DEVILS!!!

Marie

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In a message dated 05/16/2003 9:40:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
What did she say when you asked her about why the relationship is not
working anymore.


>>

She won't answer the phone calls or read the emails I sent to her.
So I sent her one last email last week; the email states that I wish
her well and I guess this is goodbye.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-15 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
>
>>02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>>
>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
>>>>English teacher
>>>>
>>>Were you having an affair?  Was it good?
>>>
>>It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
>>in 1991 I believe.
>>
>
> By the way "Rita Chapman" is an ice queen and should piss off...


        It's all about the love, shithead.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Friday, May 16, 2003, 4:27:05 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> I believe that Pt. Reyes (a great place) is a National Seashore, not a
> National Park.  Nonetheless, enjoy.

Last time I checked, it was. But I never what the heck a National
Seashore is, though we've probably talked about this in the past...

Karen

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>   `The Enron executive would hear none of it. "It is what it is," he said,
>   telling her that "the higher-ups" at Enron "have already decided that
>   it's going to be done."'

Yes!  That seems to be close to how it's used at The Firm.

Ann

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In a message dated 05/16/2003 5:23:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
Five months of harassing somebody to continue an unwanted
friendship is more than enough.

>>

I don't think I was harassing her.  Every once in a while I called
her to say "Hi" or let her know how Mom was doing.  She did
send me an email in March to let us know that she was going
to have gall bladder surgery and that she had broken up with
her girlfriend, but that was all.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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In a message dated 05/16/2003 7:05:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
severing contact without any conversation.

>>

I never could; it would seem too cold.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> >I'm not really following the series but am rooting for the
> >Canadians. GO
> >CANADA!

Oh, BTW, Rashmeeber, there are more Canadians on the Devils than on the Senators. So GO DEVILS!!

Marie

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 5:23:01 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>She won't answer the phone calls or read the emails I sent to her.
>>So I sent her one last email last week; the email states that I wish
>>her well and I guess this is goodbye.
>>Evelyn Duncan

> Good for you.  Five months of harassing somebody to continue an unwanted
> friendship is more than enough.

I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
severing contact without any conversation.

Karen

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>I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
>severing contact without any conversation.
>Karen

Yes, I have.


    --bonniev

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>I never could; it would seem too cold.
>Evelyn Duncan

Like I said, I've done it.  And it has been done to me.  When it was done
to me, I was extremely grateful.  The friendship had become a burden and
very grating.  When this friend just suddenly stopped emailing or calling
or writing or sending gifts without a word of explanation, I was overjoyed
to be rid of her.  That was three years ago.  I'm still grateful and
consider it one of the best things that ever happened to me.  No
recriminations.  No long arguments.  Just gone, done, over.  She knew I had
a reputation for doing that to others.  Maybe she thought she would <show
me> by doing it to me.  But that's always a mistake.  It's the way I prefer.


    --bonniev, a cold bitch

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I am so happy that I have some of Alyce's plants here. There are some blooms on the bluebells which looked so sad-sack when I first planted them after the hot trip home in the trunk. There is another plant I haven't actually identified -- Jeff told me what it was when he shoved it in the plastic bag but I forget, Alyce had specifically sent him to search for this thing -- which has also started to bloom interesting yellow flowers. The deer had a good time with the daylilies, but I have hope for them in the future. I also have a fern, some peonies and some bee balm, which look pretty happy. I am going to do my best to keep these alive and safe from the beasts. I think of  (and say a few words to) Alyce every time I see them.

Marie

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 7:57:03 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I am so happy that I have some of Alyce's plants here.

We are, too.

Karen

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>I am going to do my best to keep these alive and safe from the beasts. I
>think of  (and say a few words to) Alyce every time I see them.
>Marie

And I am so happy to have the sweaters that Alyce knitted but never sewed
together.  I have now put both of them together.  They fit me and I like
them.  Right now I am knitting myself a vest with a deep watermelon-colored
goat's wool that Alyce sent.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-16 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-05-15 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>>02003-05-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have still not gotten over the abandonment by my seventh grade
>>>>>>English teacher
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Were you having an affair?  Was it good?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>It was beautiful while it lasted. I have talked about it before,
>>>>in 1991 I believe.
>>>>
>>>By the way "Rita Chapman" is an ice queen and should piss off...
>>>
>>
>>       It's all about the love, shithead.
>>
>
> I can't hear you ... that formal feeling has come over me


        Faker.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Friday, May 16, 2003, 7:25:37 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Like I said, I've done it.  And it has been done to me.  When it was done
> to me, I was extremely grateful.  The friendship had become a burden and
> very grating.  When this friend just suddenly stopped emailing or calling
> or writing or sending gifts without a word of explanation, I was overjoyed
> to be rid of her.  That was three years ago.  I'm still grateful and
> consider it one of the best things that ever happened to me.  No
> recriminations.  No long arguments.  Just gone, done, over.

Hm. Those aren't the only options.

> She knew I had a reputation for doing that to others. Maybe she
> thought she would <show me> by doing it to me. But that's always a
> mistake. It's the way I prefer.

I've only done it once, and I regret doing it that one time.

Karen

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On Friday, May 16, 2003, bonniev wrote:
> Right now I am knitting myself a vest with a deep watermelon-colored
> goat's wool that Alyce sent.

This sounds very cool.

Karen

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I'm beginning to understand.   I just got my first email stating "you have
been outbid".

    --bonniev

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 8:58:10 PM, bonniev wrote:
> I'm beginning to understand.   I just got my first email stating "you have
> been outbid".

Heeheehee! That's how it starts...

Karen

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> Friday, May 16, 2003, 5:23:01 PM, bonniev wrote:
> >>She won't answer the phone calls or read the emails I sent to her.
> >>So I sent her one last email last week; the email states that I wish
> >>her well and I guess this is goodbye.
> >>Evelyn Duncan
>
> > Good for you.  Five months of harassing somebody to continue an unwanted
> > friendship is more than enough.
>
> I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
> severing contact without any conversation.
>
> Karen

Nope. I've ended a few friendships over the years. Never without some sort
of explanation when one has been solicited. And a couple of times, when it
wasn't. I don't belabor it, though. I usually say something more than what
Oprah suggested (This isn't working for me), though. Some "friends" can be
life-sucking. I've definitely had people glom onto me on occasion.

Sandra

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At 08:11 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
>>severing contact without any conversation.
>>Karen
>
>Yes, I have.

I did with an internet relationship because I found out she was nucking futs.

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 9:17:35 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 08:11 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>>I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
>>>severing contact without any conversation.
>>>Karen
>>
>>Yes, I have.

> I did with an internet relationship because I found out she was nucking futs.

That's different, it seems to me.

Karen

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Friday, May 16, 2003, 7:57:03 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I am so happy that I have some of Alyce's plants here.
>
> We are, too.

I do hope that they have offspring so that I can offer visiting words-l dignitaries pieces of Alyce's garden. I do. I'm hoping Alyce is looking over me. The fact that I came back from San Diego and all the plants were still thriving is a good sign.

Marie

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 10:38:20 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I do hope that they have offspring so that I can offer visiting words-l dignitaries pieces of Alyce's garden. I do. I'm hoping Alyce is looking over me. The fact that I came back from San Diego and
> all the plants were still thriving is a good sign.

Yup.

It was 100 degrees here today and we're in the middle of a drought--I
was thinking today that it's nice that Alyce doesn't have to mess with
the well.

Karen

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 11:02:47 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> 02003-05-16 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
>> > On Thu, 15 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > > There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
>> > > I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
>> >
>> > I think the English translation for that is "In sh'Allah" (as Allah wills
>> > it).
>>
>> No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
>> "God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".
>>
>  You seem to me to be choosing a general use for inshallah and a
> specific on for iiwii. It may only mean that for you. Around me, people
> are saying it with a shrug of resignation - it's out of our hands; ours
> only to accept the stupidity of the chancellor, the legislature, the
> media...

"no ginger"

(siyoo ga nai)

Karen

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On Fri, 16 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-16 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > On Thu, 15 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
> > > I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
> >
> > I think the English translation for that is "In sh'Allah" (as Allah wills
> > it).
>
> No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
> "God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".
>
 You seem to me to be choosing a general use for inshallah and a
specific on for iiwii. It may only mean that for you. Around me, people
are saying it with a shrug of resignation - it's out of our hands; ours
only to accept the stupidity of the chancellor, the legislature, the
media...

clo

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02003-05-16 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Yes!

*swoon-o-rama*

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02003-05-16 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 16 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > Dancing Queen is the best song ever.
> >
> > OH. MY. GOD! Me too! *squeal* Let's dance!
>
> Sorry, Samant.  You can't leave until you've clapped my erasers!
>
> ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Miss Hopkins

Borkin--

Please join Rita Chapman outside.

Thanks

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>>Hm,
>>
>>You post a lot younger ...
>>
>>
Hm, again.  I'm not sure how to read this so I shall just smile and say
"Thank you!"

Rita L.

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HAPPY BDAY, BB!!
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02003-05-17 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Fri, 16 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-05-16 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > On Thu, 15 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > > There's somebody at work who says it a lot.  Sure cuts off conversation -
> > > > I mean who's going to deny that it is whut it is.
> > >
> > > I think the English translation for that is "In sh'Allah" (as Allah wills
> > > it).
> >
> > No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
> > "God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".
> >
>  You seem to me to be choosing a general use for inshallah and a
> specific on for iiwii. It may only mean that for you. Around me, people
> are saying it with a shrug of resignation - it's out of our hands; ours
> only to accept the stupidity of the chancellor, the legislature, the
> media...

Inshallah is not a term of resignation. It's a term of hope.
Therefore, it doesn't mean "shut up". If somebody says "See
you later", do you shrug and say "it is what it is"?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >  You seem to me to be choosing a general use for inshallah and a
> > specific on for iiwii. It may only mean that for you. Around me, people
> > are saying it with a shrug of resignation - it's out of our hands; ours
> > only to accept the stupidity of the chancellor, the legislature, the
> > media...
>
> "no ginger"

Shit happens.

> (siyoo ga nai)

I recently read that Mangajin Magazine is being resurrected, btw.

Meanwhile, I was reading this friends thread and thinking it sounded
more like lovers than like friends -- like you break up after a torrid
affair or something.  I can't remember any friendship that exactly
<ended> -- as in an abrupt change.  Sometimes because of drifting away
geographically or in hobbies or whatever, friendships kind of fade away,
possibly reaching the point of total loss of contact.  That's the
closest I can think of to what we're talking about.

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Friday, May 16, 2003, 5:16:41 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Both are administered by the National Park Service, USDI.  Generally,
> national seashores have more limited access, less staff, and fewer
> amenities (and a correspondingly lower annual budget).

Ah, that sounds right.

Karen

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At 09:16 PM 5/16/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, May 16, 2003, 9:17:35 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 08:11 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
> >>>I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
> >>>severing contact without any conversation.
> >>>Karen
> >>
> >>Yes, I have.
>
> > I did with an internet relationship because I found out she was nucking
> futs.
>
>That's different, it seems to me.

I think so, too.

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02003-05-16 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:16 PM 5/16/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Friday, May 16, 2003, 9:17:35 PM, Betty wrote:
> >> At 08:11 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
> >>>>I was wondering if Wordslers have ended friendships like this, just
> >>>>severing contact without any conversation.
> >>>>Karen
> >>>
> >>>Yes, I have.
> >
> >> I did with an internet relationship because I found out she was nucking
> >futs.
> >
> >That's different, it seems to me.
>
> I think so, too.

You misspelled "drink"

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Karen:
>Friday, May 16, 2003, 10:38:20 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I do hope that they have offspring so that I can offer visiting words-l
>dignitaries pieces of Alyce's garden. I do. I'm hoping Alyce is looking
>over me. The fact that I came back from San Diego and
> > all the plants were still thriving is a good sign.

>Yup.

Yep. I'm glad you and Adam made that trip.  I hope some day to get
one of Alyce's plants to grow in DE.

>It was 100 degrees here today and we're in the middle of a drought--I
>was thinking today that it's nice that Alyce doesn't have to mess with
>the well.

No worries there. We've had a rainy fall, tons of snow all winter, wet,
cool spring. Drought is the last thing on people's minds here (in the
Northeast). Just because Texas is dry doesn't mean the country is
parched. Something like that. 100 degrees already!! Wow. It was in
the 50s here yesterday.

-rashmi

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I seldom hear from Nigeria anaymore, but I have just received one of those
miltimillion dollar spam letters from another jurisdiction. It begins:

>>Forgive my indignation if this message comes to you as a surprise and if
it might offend you without your prior consent and writing through this
channel.<<

Indignation? Who was his ESL teacher?

Bethany

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At 06:32 AM 5/17/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>HAPPY BDAY, BB!!

Thanks!  I've started on my third cake!

BB

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At 07:22 AM 5/17/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>>>Hm,
>>>
>>>You post a lot younger ...
>>>
>Hm, again.  I'm not sure how to read this so I shall just smile and say
>"Thank you!"
>
>Rita L.

Oh, I think he meant me. Smile.

Betty

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Betty wrote:

>Thanks!  I've started on my third cake!

You GO girl!

Bethany

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>HAPPY BDAY, BB!!

Indeed!

Bethany

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>100 degrees already!! Wow. It was in
>the 50s here yesterday.
>-rashmi

We had a freeze last night.  I'm glad I've planted nothing but geraniums
which can endure a light freeze.  Man is ahead of nature here in Bar
Harbor.  The tourist season seems to be gearing up while the leaves aren't
even fully out on the trees.  Just now we listened to The Cat sound her
horn many times as she left our foggy harbor bound for Nova Scotia.


    --bonniev

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At 08:41 AM 5/17/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 17 May 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> >Thanks!  I've started on my third cake!
>
>You GO girl!

Thanks, Bethany.  Has your weather calmed?

B

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Betty wrote:

>Thanks, Bethany.  Has your weather calmed?

The winds have calmed, but the rain is still with us. I just saw the
Preakness track - same thing there!

Here's another brief description from Tornado Thursday:

>the power had already gone out at the Westland /Northshore intersection.
We were side swiped by the storm. Hail, Copious Lightening and sideways
rain. Brownish/green clouds with a rosy glow were descending on us fast.
Our hail was relatively small (dime and quarter) though. As we made our
way down Westland, it was like being in a movie! Trees were bending so far
over I was sure they'd snap and branches were flying across our path. I
did not see a funnel, It was more like a hurricane though. We drove for
about a mile in the hail to home and found half of one of the white pines
down and a sizeable cherry. Thanks to God for sparing the two maples in
the back from crashing on our house.<

West Town Mall lost power for several hours - a friend who had lost power
tried to go to a movie there - it was dark. Later, he was walking around
using his laptop computer as a flashlight!

Bethany

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On Fri, 16 May 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>Adam Hartfield wrote:
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>> So all week I've been looking forward to my jury duty tomorrow.
>
>What a responsibility and what courage, or braveness(?)! -- And this I say to
>all wordsles who have been in jury.

Yes!

Bethany

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>
>>Friday, May 16, 2003, 7:57:03 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>
>>>I am so happy that I have some of Alyce's plants here.
>>>
>>We are, too.
>>
>
> I do hope that they have offspring so that I can offer visiting words-l dignitaries pieces of Alyce's garden. I do. I'm hoping Alyce is looking over me. The fact that I came back from San Diego and all the plants were still thriving is a good sign.
>


        I spent an hour this morning arranging my begonias in the
shape of a peace sign.  I though Alyce would get a kick out
of that (last year it was a yin yang and the year before
that a heart).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Rita Leonard wrote:
> >>You post a lot younger ...
> Hm, again.  I'm not sure how to read this so I shall just smile and say
> "Thank you!"

This response adds maybe 20 years.

Ann

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Happy Independence Day!

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Betty wrote:

> Happy Independence Day!

And another happy birthday to you, Betty - how many cakes today?

Ann

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>And another happy birthday to you, Betty - how many cakes today?

And form me. What kind of cake are you eating - Larry-made or store-bought?

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At 09:08 AM 5/17/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sat, 17 May 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > Happy Independence Day!
>
>And another happy birthday to you, Betty - how many cakes today?

One for breakfast.  I don't think there will be another until next Saturday
when we celebrate with the family. Nothing beats home made German Chocolate
Cake!

Betty

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> Inshallah is not a term of resignation. It's a term of hope.
> Therefore, it doesn't mean "shut up". If somebody says "See
> you later", do you shrug and say "it is what it is"?


I mostly use "it is what it is" when people act in ways I do not understand.
It helps me to accept and move on with what I need to do.

Sandra

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> > > No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
> > > "God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".
> > >

That's not at all what it means.

Sch.

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> >Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >>>Hm,
> >>>
> >>>You post a lot younger ...
> >>>
> >Hm, again.  I'm not sure how to read this so I shall just smile and say
> >"Thank you!"
> >
> >Rita L.
>
> Oh, I think he meant me. Smile.
>
> Betty

:-) Happy Birthday, Betty!

Kristin

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At 09:27 AM 5/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > > > No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
> > > > "God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".
> > > >
>
>That's not at all what it means.

He's young and doesn't grasp it yet.

BB

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02003-05-17 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:27 AM 5/17/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >> > > No, "inshallah" is frequently a formality. "See you tomrrow, then",
> >> > > "God willing" ... etc etc. "It is what it is" means "shut up".
> >> > >
> >
> >That's not at all what it means.
>
> He's young and doesn't grasp it yet.

Wrong. YOU are old. Very old.

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02003-05-17 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:22 AM 5/17/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
> >Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >>>Hm,
> >>>
> >>>You post a lot younger ...
> >>>
> >Hm, again.  I'm not sure how to read this so I shall just smile and say
> >"Thank you!"
> >
> >Rita L.
>
> Oh, I think he meant me. Smile.

Yes, I did ... and I misspelled "drunker".

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Chase this URL, Bad Betty!
http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/monops/psi_rpt?metro:7:2003:4:17

The Mexican smoke is especially bad today. And despite the fact that the TNRCC is reporting "Good" quality in Edinburg, I am here to tell you it ain't so.

-aht

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At 12:26 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>Chase this URL, Bad Betty!
>http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/monops/psi_rpt?metro:7:2003:4:17
>
>The Mexican smoke is especially bad today. And despite the fact that the
>TNRCC is reporting "Good" quality in Edinburg, I am here to tell you it
>ain't so.

Are you staying inside? I really feel sorry for people who have compromised
lungs to start with!

Betty

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> Are you staying inside? I really feel sorry for people who have
compromised
> lungs to start with!

Yeah we're staying inside today. Besides, outside the air stinks with the
smell of burning vegetation. I might have to spend the day indoors at the
movies watching Matrix again.

Happy Birthday, BTW. What perspectives on history do you have from your
vantage point?

-a

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One more URL, just because bandwidth is so cheap:

http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/monops/texas_aqi

-aht

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At 12:49 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> > Are you staying inside? I really feel sorry for people who have
>compromised
> > lungs to start with!
>
>Yeah we're staying inside today. Besides, outside the air stinks with the
>smell of burning vegetation. I might have to spend the day indoors at the
>movies watching Matrix again.
>
>Happy Birthday, BTW. What perspectives on history do you have from your
>vantage point?

It is what it is.

We're on our way out to see a fun movie. They are showing Matrix every half
hour but I have to wait for the crowds to go away so we're going to see
"Down with Love" and go to lunch at Marcaroni Grill.

Living large in Pinole.

Betty

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At 12:52 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>One more URL, just because bandwidth is so cheap:
>
>http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/monops/texas_aqi
>
>-aht


Yes, you better stay in! You have lots of beer, right?  Fire up the barbecue.

Betty

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At 11:10 AM 5/17/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 12:49 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>> > Are you staying inside? I really feel sorry for people who have
>>compromised
>> > lungs to start with!
>>
>>Yeah we're staying inside today. Besides, outside the air stinks with the
>>smell of burning vegetation. I might have to spend the day indoors at the
>>movies watching Matrix again.
>>
>>Happy Birthday, BTW. What perspectives on history do you have from your
>>vantage point?
>
>It is what it is.
>
>We're on our way out to see a fun movie. They are showing Matrix every half
>hour but I have to wait for the crowds to go away so we're going to see
>"Down with Love" and go to lunch at Marcaroni Grill.

Make that Macaroni. It's a chain.  They opened a new Trader Joe's at El
Cerrito Plaza, too, so maybe we can check that one.

B

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> Make that Macaroni. It's a chain.

Make that a *Dallas-based* chain, the parent company of which also francises
Chili's. So you were actually dining in a tiny little soverign corner of the
Great State.

Yeah, the barbeque idea already occurred to me. Seems like the only way to
drown out this stink of burning rain forest is to cover it over with burning
fat from a beef brisket.

-aht

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Every Sat., Scott Farms bring fresh-picked strawberries to Parker Bros.
Hardware Store on Kingston Pike - $2 a qt. They go very quickly. I managed
to be at the tail end of the llne today and actually get 2 quarts! Yum!

I will bake something with part of them tonight.

Bethany

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More family has arrived, so it's kind of a family
weekend while we wait for more tests on Monday.
Gene is on medication and oxygen and doing fine.

Had email from T in Iraq and of course he won't
be coming, but I think he may be coming home
before too terribly long.  This week he was
flying General Myers around, and he got to go
to the S. Hussein palace where the headquarters
are.

Read some list stuff quickly.  Happy Birthday,
Betty.  Third cake.  What a pig.

                    - D. M.

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

Thanks for keeping us informed. I pray that all goes well with all,
including of course T in Iraq.

Bethany

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The winds are back - not quite as strong as those of Thursday, but we
have a storm watch (winds up to 60 mph) and a tornado watch in Knox and
surrounding counties.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> The winds are back - not quite as strong as those of Thursday, but we
> have a storm watch (winds up to 60 mph) and a tornado watch in Knox and
> surrounding counties.

The rain is never going to stop.  It's been going on all day, without
hint of letting up, and it's in the forecast everyday in the
forecastable future.  My newly planted things are drowning.  Muddy
pawprints are everywhere in my house, with there being no point in
cleaning them up.  This sux.  But at least our forecast is for only
"isolated tornadoes."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I said
>The winds are back - not quite as strong as those of Thursday, but we
>have a storm watch (winds up to 60 mph) and a tornado watch in Knox and
>surrounding counties.

And now the sky is incredibly black! Except, of course, for those
occasional jagged white lines!

It may be time for burnt offerings ... thnis thing is moving in very fast!
Now the birds are fleeing past my windows ...

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> It may be time for burnt offerings ... thnis thing is moving in very fast!
> Now the birds are fleeing past my windows ...

The End Is At Hand.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 01:20 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> > Make that Macaroni. It's a chain.
>
>Make that a *Dallas-based* chain, the parent company of which also francises
>Chili's. So you were actually dining in a tiny little soverign corner of the
>Great State.

Lunch was good.  The movie "Down with Love"  was horrid.  The best part was
the number they did while the credits ran at the end.

Betty

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At 12:44 PM 5/17/2003 -0700, Doris Markland wrote:
>More family has arrived, so it's kind of a family
>weekend while we wait for more tests on Monday.
>Gene is on medication and oxygen and doing fine.
>
>Had email from T in Iraq and of course he won't
>be coming, but I think he may be coming home
>before too terribly long.  This week he was
>flying General Myers around, and he got to go
>to the S. Hussein palace where the headquarters
>are.
>
>Read some list stuff quickly.  Happy Birthday,
>Betty.  Third cake.  What a pig.

Eat your heart out.  Hope Tom gets home real soon.  Wishing you well.

Betty

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> It may be time for burnt offerings ... thnis thing is moving in very fast!
>> Now the birds are fleeing past my windows ...
>
>The End Is At Hand.

Is it time to make a sign and preach at the corner of Central & Jackson?

We will have no baby in the Jackson Ateliers - Mike and Erin are moving.
Smart move. There are more crazies down here.

Bethany

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 2:10:17 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Every Sat., Scott Farms bring fresh-picked strawberries to Parker Bros.
> Hardware Store on Kingston Pike - $2 a qt. They go very quickly. I managed
> to be at the tail end of the llne today and actually get 2 quarts! Yum!

I have about 10 pounds of blackberries I picked Tuesday that I have to
figure out what to do with.

Karen

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> Gosh, I'd be surprised if you were penalized. I'm sure it happens (or some
> variation) all the time. I'm sure it'll work out ok.

Thanks for your confidence. It seems to have been okay. I called the jury
commisioner's office as soon as I got to work on Friday morning (having gone
to the courthouse anyway, but there was no staff there as they don't do jury
stuff on Fridays), and she said she could reschedule me for mid-June with no
problem, and that I should be getting a card in the mail with the new date
in about 10 days. Of course, her computer was down...so who knows what will
actually happen, but at least I've not yet been arrested.

--Adam
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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 1:20:53 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> Make that a *Dallas-based* chain, the parent company of which also francises
> Chili's. So you were actually dining in a tiny little soverign corner of the
> Great State.

That must be why the food sucks so bad.

Karen

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> Lunch was good.  The movie "Down with Love"  was horrid.

You could have rented a Jackie Chan movie and stayed at home...

-aht

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 4:45:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> The rain is never going to stop.

You must have my rain.

Karen

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I have about 10 pounds of blackberries I picked Tuesday that I have to
>figure out what to do with.

When I was a kid on the farm in Texas, we picked wild blackberries called
dewberry. Dewberry cobbler is the best dessert I know.

Bethany

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 7:22:29 AM, bonniev wrote:
>>100 degrees already!! Wow. It was in
>>the 50s here yesterday.
>>-rashmi

> We had a freeze last night.

But it may be cooler here later on when it's hotter there, like last
summer...

Karen

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> it was when he shoved it in the plastic bag but I forget, Alyce
> had specifically sent him to search for this thing

The first was bee balm and the second was something like lamb's ear.

Karen, have you gotten the rock yet?

--Adam
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> Thanks!  I've started on my third cake!
>
> BB

Yum!

Happy birthday, Betty!

--Adam
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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 7:15:36 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Karen, have you gotten the rock yet?

No, but I haven't checked my mailbox for a while. I'll check it later
this evening. (I've been wrestling with my cat and my computer all
day.)

Karen

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 6:47:14 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> No worries there. We've had a rainy fall, tons of snow all winter, wet,
> cool spring. Drought is the last thing on people's minds here (in the
> Northeast). Just because Texas is dry doesn't mean the country is
> parched. Something like that.

:) One forgets...

> 100 degrees already!! Wow. It was in
> the 50s here yesterday.

100 degrees wasn't an official temp--the official temp was 99, I
think. We're setting record highs and lows all the time. This is
very strange weather.

Karen

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> No, but I haven't checked my mailbox for a while. I'll check it later
> this evening. (I've been wrestling with my cat and my computer all
> day.)

I sent it last Friday, so you certainly should have it by now.

--Adam
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Happy Birthday!
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> When I was a kid on the farm in Texas, we picked wild blackberries called
> dewberry. Dewberry cobbler is the best dessert I know.

I didn't know that dewberries were blackberries.  I just thought they
were dewberries.  We often had dewberry cobbler in my childhood.

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Kristin wrote a while ago, and I'm surprised no one answered:

> But I have a question: if most of the jury, or all of it, is sure
> of the guilt
> of the accused, yet there's no actual sufficient evidence, so that leaving
> aside all that one may guess or feel, there's no evidence to
> absolutely prove
> his/her guilt -- what'll happen then? Is there a person in the
> court who may
> say, and who is obliged to say, that the evidence is not
> sufficient (though in
> his/her heart s/he may be sure of the guilt)?

If there's not enough evidence to convict, an innocent verdict has to
result. The only thing in your heart that you can take into account is
doubt. There has to be enough evidence so that you have no doubts about
guilt.

>From what you've been saying, I get the impression that jury duty isn't
mandatory in Estonia? Here, it is, and there are _no_ exemptions, which is
why I was so worried about missing it. That's a Big No-No, punishable by
fines and jail time, if one is convicted of willfully missing it.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> If there's not enough evidence to convict, an innocent verdict has to

Technically it's called not-guilty, I think.

> From what you've been saying, I get the impression that jury duty isn't
> mandatory in Estonia? Here, it is, and there are _no_ exemptions, which is

There are exemptions in my county.  If called while teaching summer
school, one is excused since missing even a couple of days would be
disastrous.  And if it dragged on for more than a couple of days, lots
of students might fail to graduate on time, etc.  Iow, it would cause
major hardship for a bunch of people, and that is a reason for being
excused.  From the pov of the teacher, it would be a great break to get
to do jury duty, of course, instead of enduring the horrors of summer
school.

As I've said various times before, I think the system in California(?)
is very good in that you can be rescheduled in situations of that kind.
Or, if I'm not mistaken, you can be rescheduled even just for personal
reasons, like maybe you have a cruise planned or whatever.  Being able
to have a timeframe for future jury duty would be very helpful in every
way.

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:03:27 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> From what you've been saying, I get the impression that jury duty isn't
>> mandatory in Estonia? Here, it is, and there are _no_ exemptions, which is

> There are exemptions in my county.

> As I've said various times before, I think the system in California(?)
> is very good in that you can be rescheduled in situations of that kind.

I thought you could be reschedule everywhere. I don't think CA is
particularly liberal in that regard.

The *best* thing about jury duty in Santa Clara cty is that you can
phone in instead of showing up.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > As I've said various times before, I think the system in California(?)
> > is very good in that you can be rescheduled in situations of that kind.
>
> I thought you could be reschedule everywhere. I don't think CA is
> particularly liberal in that regard.

No.  There's no rescheduling here.

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Kristin wrote a while ago, and I'm surprised no one answered:
>
> > But I have a question: if most of the jury, or all of it, is sure
> > of the guilt
> > of the accused, yet there's no actual sufficient evidence, so that leaving
> > aside all that one may guess or feel, there's no evidence to
> > absolutely prove
> > his/her guilt -- what'll happen then? Is there a person in the
> > court who may
> > say, and who is obliged to say, that the evidence is not
> > sufficient (though in
> > his/her heart s/he may be sure of the guilt)?
>
> If there's not enough evidence to convict, an innocent verdict has to
> result. The only thing in your heart that you can take into account is
> doubt. There has to be enough evidence so that you have no doubts about
> guilt.

There are all kinds of ins and outs to the jury process.

For one thing, the rules about how convincing the evidence has to be
varies, depending on whether it is a civil suit (one entity takes another
to court) or a criminal suit (the state charges you with a crime), and
how severe the category of crime is. In murder, and particularly a crime
punishable by death, you are supposed to take the "reasonable doubt" idea
very seriously, and vote to acquit if there's a chance the person might be
innocent.

Juries are supposed to be deciding the facts (what actually happened);
and judges aren't supposed to decide facts, but only what the law says.
But a judge who thinks that the jury is stupidly, unethically ignoring
the facts of the evidence in order to get the decision they want, can
overturn the verdict or declare a mistrial - I have to go back to my
books and figure out exactly what happens - so there is some kind of
oversight. It's rare, but it can happen.

clo

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Oh, here you can be rescheduled - when you get the first notice, you can
defer for a year. But when that year is up, you have to go to the courthouse
and can't defer again. If you don't defer, you have to go to the courthouse.
You can then be excused if the judge agrees about your hardship, or if the
lawyers dismiss you without cause. But there are no exemptions to having to
go to the courthouse either now or in a year.  That's what I meant.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Sat, 17 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I didn't know that dewberries were blackberries.  I just thought they
>were dewberries.  We often had dewberry cobbler in my childhood.

Many books/websites say something like this: "dewberry
DOO-beh-ree Any of several varieties of the trailing-vine form of the
BLACKBERRY."

I never saw a blackberry until I was in my 20s. I just figured the two
were closely related. Some books speak of dewberries as "trailing
blackberries."

I prefer dewberries. But of course I'll never have real dewberry cobbler
again, because my grandmother who made it did not have a recipe. Neither
of her daughters could make it worth a darn. (It may have helped that she
always had fresh-churned butter.)

Bethany

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On 17 May 2003 at 20:03, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> There are exemptions in my county.  If called while teaching summer
> school, one is excused since missing even a couple of days would be
> disastrous.

Being exempt and being excused are different things. People are
excused for all sorts of hardships but must respond to the summons
and ask to be excused.

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:15:41 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Oh, here you can be rescheduled - when you get the first notice, you can
> defer for a year. But when that year is up, you have to go to the courthouse
> and can't defer again. If you don't defer, you have to go to the courthouse.
> You can then be excused if the judge agrees about your hardship, or if the
> lawyers dismiss you without cause. But there are no exemptions to having to
> go to the courthouse either now or in a year.  That's what I meant.

Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
for two hours. No biggie.

Karen

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Happy Birthday, Betty!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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At 08:30 PM 5/17/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>Happy Birthday!
>clo

Thanks, everyone!

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At 08:27 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:15:41 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Oh, here you can be rescheduled - when you get the first notice, you can
> > defer for a year. But when that year is up, you have to go to the
> courthouse
> > and can't defer again. If you don't defer, you have to go to the
> courthouse.
> > You can then be excused if the judge agrees about your hardship, or if the
> > lawyers dismiss you without cause. But there are no exemptions to having to
> > go to the courthouse either now or in a year.  That's what I meant.
>
>Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
>need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
>for two hours. No biggie.

Phoning in is pretty standard now.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I didn't know that dewberries were blackberries.  I just thought they
> >were dewberries.  We often had dewberry cobbler in my childhood.
>
> Many books/websites say something like this: "dewberry
> DOO-beh-ree Any of several varieties of the trailing-vine form of the
> BLACKBERRY."

DOO-beh-ree?  That was definitely not the way I heard it pronounced or
the way I would say it now.  Do these books/websites also say that dew
is pronounced like do??  But back to the point of what they are.  I just
googled for 'dewberry blackberry' and found them listed separately in a
list of foods deer like:

*********
Deer are also fond of many of the soft mast fruits like persimmon, plum,
pears, apples, dewberry, blackberry, muscadine, and summer grape to name
just a few.
*********
from: http://msucares.com/wildfish/wildlife/deer_food.html

(The above url is a citation.  I assume that's still acceptable -- as
opposed to posting urls for people to chase.)

But I then checked the AHD and found your thing about trailing vines and
blackberries.

> I never saw a blackberry until I was in my 20s. I just figured the two
> were closely related. Some books speak of dewberries as "trailing
> blackberries."

I don't remember thinking about these distinctions in childhood.  I had
heard of blackberries and blueberries, of course, but I mainly remember
dewberries.  I don't know where they came from.  I didn't go dewberry
picking.  Quite likely they were among the items sold by the women who
walked along the streets early on summer mornings hollering out what
they were selling.  Oh for some real lady peas.  But they no longer
exist.  I think I told y'all about finding some alleged lady peas in a
Farmers' Market in Hville a few years ago and being ecstatic until I
tasted them.  They just weren't <right>.  I later learned that they were
-- I've forgotten the term -- it's when something dies out but a few
seeds are preserved and the item is reintroduced later from those few
saved seeds.  It's just not the same, though.  At first I thought maybe
it was my imagination, though my memory of lady peas was so very, very
strong that I found it hard to believe I was misremembering.  Later I
learned, though, that that kind of change is pretty routine in these
reintroduced crops -- that they really aren't the same.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> Oh, here you can be rescheduled - when you get the first notice, you can
> defer for a year.

Do they give any indication of when in the following year you might be
called?  That's what I think I remember about the California deal that
sounded so very sane and helpful.

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:53:53 PM, Betty wrote:
>>Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
>>need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
>>for two hours. No biggie.

> Phoning in is pretty standard now.

Not here. And evidently not where Adam lives.

Karen

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > There are exemptions in my county.  If called while teaching summer
> > school, one is excused since missing even a couple of days would be
> > disastrous.
>
> Being exempt and being excused are different things. People are
> excused for all sorts of hardships but must respond to the summons
> and ask to be excused.

Oh.  So "exemption" doesn't really make sense in this context, does it.
Wait -- yes, it does -- if you're over 65, you can simply call and say
so.  Or I think that's the case.  So I guess that means exempt.  But
they do have to respond to the summons.  I had to do more than just call
when I was summoned during summer school.  I had to take a letter from
my Dept Head to the county clerk sometime before the day the possible
jurors were to show up.

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At 09:13 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > >I didn't know that dewberries were blackberries.  I just thought they
> > >were dewberries.  We often had dewberry cobbler in my childhood.
> >
> > Many books/websites say something like this: "dewberry
> > DOO-beh-ree Any of several varieties of the trailing-vine form of the
> > BLACKBERRY."
>
>DOO-beh-ree?  That was definitely not the way I heard it pronounced or
>the way I would say it now.  Do these books/websites also say that dew
>is pronounced like do??  But back to the point of what they are.  I just
>googled for 'dewberry blackberry' and found them listed separately in a
>list of foods deer like:
>
>*********
>Deer are also fond of many of the soft mast fruits like persimmon, plum,
>pears, apples, dewberry, blackberry, muscadine, and summer grape to name
>just a few.
>*********
>from: http://msucares.com/wildfish/wildlife/deer_food.html
>
>(The above url is a citation.  I assume that's still acceptable -- as
>opposed to posting urls for people to chase.)

It would have been more fun if you had just posted twenty urls instead of
taking this stance.  I only said it because you used to complain about
chasing urls. People can chase them or not.

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At 09:15 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:53:53 PM, Betty wrote:
> >>Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
> >>need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
> >>for two hours. No biggie.
>
> > Phoning in is pretty standard now.
>
>Not here. And evidently not where Adam lives.

Do you want to do a survey?

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Betty wrote:

> >Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
> >need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
> >for two hours. No biggie.
>
> Phoning in is pretty standard now.

My instructions for the jury duty that was to start right after the
Greece trip said to call a phone number on the weekend before that
Monday to find out the scoop.  Since I was supposed to get home that
Saturday night, it didn't occur to me to take that phone number with me
to Greece.  It stayed stuck on the front of my refrigerator.  Wish I'd
had it in Greece.  Would've saved me some anguish.

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Betty wrote:

>   I only said it because you used to complain about
> chasing urls. People can chase them or not.

Huh??  I've never complained about chasing urls.  I've said that I don't
bother to chase them much of the time.  My attitude is that people can
chase them or not.  I choose not to more often than not.  (I almost
always chase urls of family pictures, etc., but don't routinely chase
<informational> urls.)  I've gotten the impression from responses posted
on the list to url-postings, however, that many Wordslers do regularly
chase them.  So I've posted them since many people do seem to be into
url-chasings.  Sort of like I often serve certain things at parties that
I think other people like even though I don't like them.

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At 09:29 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> >   I only said it because you used to complain about
> > chasing urls. People can chase them or not.
>
>Huh??  I've never complained about chasing urls.  I've said that I don't
>bother to chase them much of the time.  My attitude is that people can
>chase them or not.  I choose not to more often than not.  (I almost
>always chase urls of family pictures, etc., but don't routinely chase
><informational> urls.)  I've gotten the impression from responses posted
>on the list to url-postings, however, that many Wordslers do regularly
>chase them.  So I've posted them since many people do seem to be into
>url-chasings.  Sort of like I often serve certain things at parties that
>I think other people like even though I don't like them.

Maybe they just say they like them to be polite.

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Betty wrote:

> >on the list to url-postings, however, that many Wordslers do regularly
> >chase them.  So I've posted them since many people do seem to be into
> >url-chasings.  Sort of like I often serve certain things at parties that
> >I think other people like even though I don't like them.
>
> Maybe they just say they like them to be polite.

Urls or party food?  Doesn't really matter, though, since I don't see
how politeness would fit in in either case.  I hear people talk about
loving pate', and I notice that the pate' on the table at parties is
scarfed up.  No politeness is involved since there are many other
choices.  And when people post urls on the list, lots of other people
often respond with thank-yous when there's no real reason to do so to be
polite.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At:

http://www.quinion.com/cgi-bin/r.pl?TA .

Bethany

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If it's ok to post urls again, I have two for JMW.

One you'll love, JMW -- about the NYT:
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,958609,00.html

The other I'm not so sure about since you've been frothing at the mouth
lately about human rights and why Amnesty Internation isn't working
harder:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3419.htm

Eek. Just noticed that the NYT is in the byline.  You will therefore
consider it tainted.  Here's a similar rendering:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,957786,00.html

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, May 17, 2003, 9:28:10 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 09:15 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:53:53 PM, Betty wrote:
>> >>Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
>> >>need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
>> >>for two hours. No biggie.
>>
>> > Phoning in is pretty standard now.
>>
>>Not here. And evidently not where Adam lives.

> Do you want to do a survey?

No. I know you're wrong.

Karen

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At 11:21 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, May 17, 2003, 9:28:10 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 09:15 PM 5/17/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Saturday, May 17, 2003, 8:53:53 PM, Betty wrote:
> >> >>Right--and for Sta. Clara, they let you phone in to find out if they
> >> >>need you. In the whole two weeks I was on jury duty, I went in once
> >> >>for two hours. No biggie.
> >>
> >> > Phoning in is pretty standard now.
> >>
> >>Not here. And evidently not where Adam lives.
>
> > Do you want to do a survey?
>
>No. I know you're wrong.

Uh-huh.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Do these books/websites also say that dew is pronounced like do??

They're essentially the same in my dialect.

The blackberries 'round here are often olallieberries (or ollalieberries,
not sure).  It's a fun word to say: oh LAH l@ berries.

Here's where we go to u-pick olallieberries (and strawberries), in
Pescadero: <http://www.phippscountry.com/berries.htm>.

Pete

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Friday, May 9, 2003, 2:16:54 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen:
>>Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 10:21:16 AM, again, all around wrote:
>>Karen:
>>>>Yep, more Americans out of work! Great stuff!

>> > PROTECTIONIST!

>>Absolutely.

> That's (jobs leaving America for low-wage countries) s'posed to
> be good for investors. Current fashion is for income from capital
> to be more highly rewarded than income from wages.

> (But you already knew that.)

It doesn't change my point of view at all.

And here's a Washington Post article about who brokers are aiming to
please these days: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2182-2003May17.html

Bye-Bye, Small Fry
Brokers Increasingly Concentrate on the Rich

By Anitha Reddy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 18, 2003; Page F01

Three years ago, Wall Street brokers had one message for small
investors: Buy, buy, buy. Two years ago, everybody found out that the
message should have been: Sell, sell, sell. Now the message appears to
be simply: Goodbye.

That's what brokers at U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray in Minneapolis are
saying to their smallest clients. Since February, the firm has
encouraged its brokers to shift clients with accounts under $10,000 to
a call center where their transactions can be handled and their
questions answered much more cheaply. Soon, Piper Jaffray will stop
paying brokers commissions on trades in accounts below $10,000.

Karen

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>message should have been: Sell, sell, sell. Now the message appears to
>be simply: Goodbye.
>
>That's what brokers at U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray in Minneapolis are
>saying to their smallest clients. Since February, the firm has
>encouraged its brokers to shift clients with accounts under $10,000 to
>a call center where their transactions can be handled and their
>questions answered much more cheaply. Soon, Piper Jaffray will stop
>paying brokers commissions on trades in accounts below $10,000.

Merrill Lynch shifted clients last year - I was one of their <smallest
clients>. Even now, I have to pay a small account fee periodically. I
called last week to inquire about transferring or selling assets. I did
not like the fees that was going to cost me. Finally, I negotiated a
transfer to an online ML account that will have no fees.

The only reason I am staying with ML is that I am not ready to sell the
two stocks I still hold through them - and I do not want to pay the
transfer fees.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The only reason I am staying with ML is that I am not ready to sell the
> two stocks I still hold through them - and I do not want to pay the
> transfer fees.

I don't remember paying any transfer fees when my stuff has migrated.
The new <keepers> always seemed delighted to receive it and did the
paperwork, and I never saw any charges.  Maybe I just didn't notice.

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"a Bambi-eyed fanatic with a busy TV schedule" -- Mary Riddell, The
Observer

from: http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,958484,00.html


 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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A phoenix hanging out with arsonists  -- paraphrased from Saul Bellow's
_More Die of Heartbreak_.        No URL.

The title of the book comes from the sentiment:   More people die of
heartbreak than nuclear radiation accidents.  Yet no one organizes protests
against love.


>"a Bambi-eyed fanatic with a busy TV schedule" -- Mary Riddell, The
>Observer
>
>from: http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,958484,00.html
>  -- Natalie

    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> The title of the book comes from the sentiment:   More people die of
> heartbreak than nuclear radiation accidents.  Yet no one organizes protests
> against love.

Ah, but I bet somebody somewhere has at some time.  Still, the only hit
I got when googling "protests against love" was this one:

*********
she protests "against love's prison itself,"
*********
from: http://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/works/new.htm

I didn't google for "heartbreak," knowing there would be tons of hits,
but I'm not sure how many of them would give death statistics.

Now, though, I need to clean up my house in spite of the continuing
threat of muddy pawprints.  I've reached the point that I can't stand
its current unkempt state any longer.  It puts me in a bad mood.

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
> > The title of the book comes from the sentiment:   More people die of
> > heartbreak than nuclear radiation accidents.  Yet no one organizes protests
> > against love.
>
> Ah, but I bet somebody somewhere has at some time.  Still, the only hit
> I got when googling "protests against love" was this one:
>

What's the time-honored tradition of joining the Foreign Legion if it's
not an organized protest against love?
clo

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Kristin wrote a while ago, and I'm surprised no one answered:

:-) Good that you did.

>  The only thing in your heart that you can take into account is
> doubt.

Thanks for the explanation.

> >From what you've been saying, I get the impression that jury duty isn't
> mandatory in Estonia?

No. Only professionals do the job in the court. All I know about jury as it is
in the courts of the USA is through novels or films.

> Here, it is, and there are _no_ exemptions, which is
> why I was so worried about missing it. That's a Big No-No, punishable by
> fines and jail time, if one is convicted of willfully missing it.

That it may be so severely punished I only got to know from those exceedingly
jovial sympathetic answers to your worried message.

Good that it turned out more or less okay for you.

Kristin

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> But a judge who thinks that the jury is stupidly, unethically ignoring
> the facts of the evidence in order to get the decision they want, can
> overturn the verdict or declare a mistrial

> It's rare, but it can happen.

Thanks. This is what I've wondered about sometimes.

Kristin

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In a message dated 05/18/2003 9:33:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
What's the time-honored tradition of joining the Foreign Legion if it's
not an organized protest against love?

>>

What about the choice made in the Ring?  If he couldn't have love,
he was going to choose power.  Of course, it ended in both Earth
and Valhalla burning to a crisp.

I would love to see Fritz Lang's version, and I love Wagner's Ring
operas.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> Now, though, I need to clean up my house in spite of the continuing
> threat of muddy pawprints.  I've reached the point that I can't stand
> its current unkempt state any longer.  It puts me in a bad mood.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


Likewise...ever since I moved back to SF from Oakland, and after helping
Dave pull his stuff together to move (hint: he's a packrat)...all I want to
do is GET RID OF STUFF. I've gotten rid of old letters from people, sorting
through books (unless it's hard to find at a library or collectible, it's
out!) going through bowls, extra mugs, unused appliances (anyone want a nice
ice cream maker .... local wordslers only).... I want to be lightened up in
all ways.

I'm even considering getting rid of my dining table and chairs (they're my
grandmother's...purchased in the 30's in berkeley, but getting rather frail)
and instead of replacing it, using my very large coffee table as a setting
for having/sharing meals. I'll get some big cushions for seating, which can
be stacked. Rather bohemian...but it would give me nice extra space.
I better go through old cookbooks, too.

Less to clean and take care of. I love the volunteer simplicity movement but
I'm not sure how stripped down I can get.

I've got boxes of stuff ready to go by the front door. I posted an ad last
night to get rid of a full sized futon, and had 5 replies by the morning.
Free works!

Sandra

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > Here, it is, and there are _no_ exemptions, which is
> > why I was so worried about missing it. That's a Big No-No, punishable by
> > fines and jail time, if one is convicted of willfully missing it.
>
> That it may be so severely punished I only got to know from those exceedingly
> jovial sympathetic answers to your worried message.

How seriously is ignoring a jury summons treated?  Do any of you know?
I almost wish that that jury summons that led to my anguish when
stranded in Athens hadn't turned out to be canceled since it would have
been interesting to see what happened to Annie, the person I mentioned
who simply ignored it.  I think I would have been ok, given my barrage
of AT&T messages from the Memphis airport, etc.  And I certainly wish no
ill on Annie, who is a delightful person.  But I really would be curious
about what might happen in such a case.

Unrelated to jury duty:  I highly recommend Swifler Mitts.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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sandra wrote:

> do is GET RID OF STUFF. I've gotten rid of old letters from people, sorting
> through books (unless it's hard to find at a library or collectible, it's
> out!) going through bowls, extra mugs, unused appliances (anyone want a nice
> ice cream maker .... local wordslers only).... I want to be lightened up in
> all ways.

I've been moving in this direction also.  I've gotten rid of tons of
books in the past year and am trying to move onward with getting rid of
other things.  I've still got a very long way to go, not really just
because I'm a packrat with certain kinds of things (things that have
important memories attached, not things like clothes or junk books or
whatever), but because of hauling a bunch of my mother's stuff here,
some of it because I want to keep (like scrapbooks), some simply because
I didn't want my RRB&SIL just to toss it all in the garbage, which is
what they were going to do with everything I didn't take.

One project right now is to find a home for zillions of old record
albums.  I've decided that it's silly for me to keep my old 33.3's, and
I've also got a ton of old 78's, many of them older than I am.  I can
think of only a few I want to keep (and why I want to keep them I'm not
really sure since I have no way to play them):  my high school and
college choir records (33.3's) and my mother's college choir record (one
of those old red wax 78's).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thanks for the report, Doug!  We were talking just yesterday about the
plants from Alyce's yard that Marie took back to plant in her yard and
that we're hoping will multiply, with various of us getting bits of them
to plant all over the country.  Plants or not, though, Alyce's spirit is
very much with us and always will be.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 11:23 AM 5/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > > Here, it is, and there are _no_ exemptions, which is
> > > why I was so worried about missing it. That's a Big No-No, punishable by
> > > fines and jail time, if one is convicted of willfully missing it.
> >
> > That it may be so severely punished I only got to know from those
> exceedingly
> > jovial sympathetic answers to your worried message.
>
>How seriously is ignoring a jury summons treated?  Do any of you know?
>I almost wish that that jury summons that led to my anguish when
>stranded in Athens hadn't turned out to be canceled since it would have
>been interesting to see what happened to Annie, the person I mentioned
>who simply ignored it.  I think I would have been ok, given my barrage
>of AT&T messages from the Memphis airport, etc.  And I certainly wish no
>ill on Annie, who is a delightful person.  But I really would be curious
>about what might happen in such a case.

I told you that they put out a warrant for my arrest.  Maybe I can find a
URL for you to chase later but I'm on my way out soon.

B

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09:09 17.05.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:
>Happy Independence Day!


Thank you - we waded through meter deep rotten snow and hiked about 20 miles over two days which doesnt sound like long until we found that one of the worst stretches took us 1 1/2 hour for two miles.

Espen

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This is Doug writing from Germantown. Jeff returned to Monmouth on
Thursday and I joined Berta here last night. The house is still 90% full
after filling a 20-yard dumpster. Jeff has turned the large living room
into an inventory room with lots of shelves organized into catagories.
Each of us is putting stickers on the items in which we are interested
and we're figuring out what will go to auction. The majority of items
will be carefully inventoried and packed away for eBaying over several
years probably. What a treasure house it is! The house is so beautiful
after cleaning everything and sorting the things that Alyce didn't have
the energy to take on. Berta has done an amazing job of cleaning out her
bedroom which was a storage closet for many years. The thrift shop got
about 20 large trash bags of good quality clothing. I'll be here for two
weeks and then will be back at the end of June with a large truck to
move most of the things back to Illinois. Sometime this summer we will
all return for a memorial service and open house for Alyce. I want to
express my sincere gratitude to all of you for what you have meant to
Alyce these many years--and for your kind thoughts and prayers. What a
difference you made in all our lives! It will be only sporadically that
any of us can check in on WORDS-L but it is comforting to know that it
will go on in her absence. Everyone, have a wonderful summer!
sincerely,
Doug Rankin

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> The first was bee balm and the second was something like lamb's ear.

Nope, neither of those. I did get some bee balm from Alyce's (I think) but no lamb's ear (although I do have some here). This mystery plant is something else altogether. I'll have to take a picture sometime -- or open a book.

Today I potted some herbs and put them in one of my kitchen window boxes -- rosemary, two kinds of thyme, parsley, marjoram, and dill.
Marie

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clo:
>In murder, and particularly a crime punishable
>by death, you are supposed to take the "reasonable
>doubt" idea very seriously

???

We were instructed to take it seriously no
matter what the offense.

>and vote to acquit if there's a chance the
>person might be innocent.

I may have misinterpreted the judge's words,
but I think I remember that "a chance" does
not equal "reasonable doubt".

'course, LA is one of only two states, IIRC,
where you can be convicted without a unanimous
vote, so your kilometrage may fluctuate.

(I think Oregon's the other one but I could
be wrong.)

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> rosemary, two kinds of thyme, parsley, marjoram, and dill.

The place we giggled when the waiter left out thyme -- or maybe it was
parsley or sage or rosemary -- was named Rachel's.  Inspired by Sandra,
I have filled up a bunch more boxes of books to take to Friends of the
Public Library.  In the course of filling up boxes, I looked inside a
little NYC book and found scribbled at the back the things we had done
on that trip, including that Judith, Emily, Rashmi, and I went down to
Rachel's, where we met Bayla and Tom Lee.  That was the night you joined
us for dessert, right?  You weren't there for our giggle about the
herbs.

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We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
vote will not ever be called for jury duty.

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>> >I don't remember paying any transfer fees when my stuff has migrated.
>> >The new <keepers> always seemed delighted to receive it and did the
>> >paperwork, and I never saw any charges.  Maybe I just didn't notice.
>>
>> What year was that? ML has changed a great deal over the years.
>
>I've never been involved with ML.  My stuff moved from Schwab to
>Prudential in '98 and then from Prudential to AIG-Valic (by whatever
>name it was using then) a couple of years ago.

Then why, when I was talking specifically about ML, did you respond by
saying that you had never paid any fees? Have you ever dealt with a
broker?

?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Then why, when I was talking specifically about ML, did you respond by
> saying that you had never paid any fees? Have you ever dealt with a
> broker?

Because I thought they all behaved generally the same way.  I guess
not.  I'm not sure what you mean by dealing with a broker.  That's how
I've bought stock, afaik.  Aren't all these entities brokers?  Oh -- I
should throw in Fidelity also since for some reason Prudential couldn't
house my Fidelity mutual fund that Schwab had housed, so it was just me
and Fidelity there for a while.  But when I moved from Prudential to the
Valic people, they were able to take over the Fidelity fund also.  I
don't know why Prudential couldn't.

The stock I had before I started investing with Schwab was bought via
telephone.  That was eons ago.  When I bought stock via Schwab, I did it
on my computer -- before they did things like that via the net -- this
was their own software and own answering modem.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:25:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
> > applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
> > vote will not ever be called for jury duty.
>
> Really? I thought that in some places they pulled from the driver's
> license registration.

Hmm.  Maybe it varies from place to place.  I had thought it was voter
registration everywhere.  How old does one have to be to serve on a
jury?  I would guess voting age, which means that voter registration
would be easier than driver's license registration since they'd have to
toss out the drivers who were too young.  But I guess that wouldn't be a
major problem.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Really? I thought that in some places they pulled from the driver's
> > license registration.
>
> Hmm.  Maybe it varies from place to place.  I had thought it was voter
> registration everywhere.  How old does one have to be to serve on a

Clearly it's not just voter registration in Califoria.  I googled for
it, and the first hit said this from Orange County, Calif:

******************
A common misperception is that jury lists are pulled only from voter
registration rolls. This is NOT CORRECT!

Both the Department of Motor Vehicles and the Registrar of Voters are
required by law to make our lists available
to the Federal and State Jury Services. You cannot avoid jury duty by
not registering to vote.
*******************
from: http://www.oc.ca.gov/election/General/1b-10.htm

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Indeed it does vary from place to place.  Here's what the Mississippi
code says about jury-duty summonses:

****************
In April of each year, the jury commission for each county shall compile
and maintain a master list consisting of the voter registration list for
the county.
****************
from: http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/13/005/

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:43:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Hmm.  Maybe it varies from place to place.
>
> Nope. http://www.co.riverside.ca.us/election/juryduty.htm

?  That's a California site.  It's not a "nope" re whether it varies
from place to place.  What I read in the other sites after that one,
though, leads me to believe that many places have changed from using the
voter registration rolls for jury calls since apparently it was
discouraging some people from registering to vote.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yes, but it says "Both the Department of Motor Vechicles and the
> Registrar of Voters are required by law to make our lists availahble
> to the Federal and State Jury Services." That's unlikely to be a state
> law.

Sure sounds like a state law to me.

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 6:05:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Yes, but it says "Both the Department of Motor Vechicles and the
>> Registrar of Voters are required by law to make our lists availahble
>> to the Federal and State Jury Services." That's unlikely to be a state
>> law.

> Sure sounds like a state law to me.

What part?

In any case, it's clear that Mississippi is different--but it's not
just the voter's reg. list. http://www.msbar.org/jurors_guide.htm says
"Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
own property, you could be called.

Karen

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VA has stopped using DMV records: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A18577-2003Feb16&notFound=true

or http://tinyurl.com/c2og .

Karen

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Here's the federal law re jury-duty:

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Before potential jurors
are summoned for service, their names are randomly drawn from voters
lists
(and sometimes drivers lists) to receive a questionnaire to determine
whether
they meet the legal qualifications for jury service....The Jury Act,
which is set out at Title 28, U.S. Code, Sections 1861-1878, calls for
random selection of citizens' names from voters lists or combined voters
and drivers lists.
**************
from:
http://www.legallawhelp.com/federal_law/uscourts/answers.html#contact

I am relieved to know that Mississippi isn't just violating federal law
by using only the voter registration rolls.

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Natalie, quit giving false information:

  WHERE DID THE DISTRICT COURT GET MY NAME?
The United States District Court currently obtains the names
of our jurors from the voter registration lists and drivers
license records for all of the counties located in our
district. Anyone appearing on the voter registration list or
list of drivers license records that is over 18 years of age
is subject to jury service. However, it is not a requirement
that you be a registered voter to serve as a juror. If you
have moved...
---

In addition, I found another source that lists telephone
directories among the sources.  When I worked in the court
in Ohio, the names came from the list of city occupants, ie.
the tax roles.





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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, May 18, 2003, 6:05:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>Yes, but it says "Both the Department of Motor Vechicles and the
>>>Registrar of Voters are required by law to make our lists availahble
>>>to the Federal and State Jury Services." That's unlikely to be a state
>>>law.
>>>
>
>>Sure sounds like a state law to me.
>>
>
> What part?
>
> In any case, it's clear that Mississippi is different--but it's not
> just the voter's reg. list. http://www.msbar.org/jurors_guide.htm says
> "Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
> of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
> own property, you could be called.


        Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?




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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Yes, but it says "Both the Department of Motor Vechicles and the
> >> Registrar of Voters are required by law to make our lists availahble
> >> to the Federal and State Jury Services." That's unlikely to be a state
> >> law.
>
> > Sure sounds like a state law to me.
>
> What part?

The fact that jury-selection is done within districts, not nationally.

> In any case, it's clear that Mississippi is different--but it's not
> just the voter's reg. list. http://www.msbar.org/jurors_guide.htm says
> "Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
> of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
> own property, you could be called.

Nope.  Only the voter-registration rolls are used.  From your very url:

**********
The names of potential jurors are drawn at random by lot or chance from
a roster of
registered voters in this county. This means that while every voter is
qualified to serve and equally liable to be called to serve, one person
may never be called to serve, and others may be called several times.
**********
from: http://www.msbar.org/jurors_guide.htm#selection

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
>applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
>vote will not ever be called for jury duty.

So far as I know, that still varies by jurisdiction.

Bethany

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Because I thought they all behaved generally the same way.  I guess
>not.  I'm not sure what you mean by dealing with a broker.  That's how

Stock brokers who have clients who purchase individual stocks have changed
dramatically over the past 5-6 or so years. What was true in 1997 might
not be at all true today. ML was going to charge me about $95 for a stock
transfer to another broker - that on about $850 worth of stock. I balked.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
> >applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
> >vote will not ever be called for jury duty.
>
> So far as I know, that still varies by jurisdiction.

Yes, as you know from continuing reading this thread, that has now been
agreed upon.  I had assumed it was by voter rolls everywhere.  I've been
a voter in only five different locales, and all but my current one were
a long time ago.  I'm not sure how jurors were selected in those places.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Because I thought they all behaved generally the same way.  I guess
> >not.  I'm not sure what you mean by dealing with a broker.  That's how
>
> Stock brokers who have clients who purchase individual stocks have changed
> dramatically over the past 5-6 or so years. What was true in 1997 might
> not be at all true today. ML was going to charge me about $95 for a stock
> transfer to another broker - that on about $850 worth of stock. I balked.

My stock pre-Schwab wasn't <housed> with brokers.  Iow, once it was
bought (and they did get a fee, of course), they had nothing to do with
it.  The certificates were in my grubby little hands, and any dealings
were between me and the companies involved.

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The Old CIty has been changing a lot over the past several years. For a
while, we had fewer homeless hustlers in the neighborhood. They are
drifting back in. - mostly real wackos.

Several blocks east of us - past the interstate ramp - there is a Weigel's
(the local version of a 7-11 + gas station, but open 24 hours a day) - the
best one in town. It has good coffee, edible breakfast and lunch foods
(including salads), and it carries the WSJ, the daily and Sunday NYT, and
IBD - plus area newspapers. It is right across the street from a housing
project that has gone downhill over the years.

West of us, on n. Gay Street, is the Volunteer Ministry Center - a refuge
for the homeless that provides meals, washing machines (I once gave them a
washer and dryer), etc. And the Greyhound Bus Station is north of us.
Obviously, there is interesting foot traffic down here.

The location is why the Old City did not work - and it didn't.

Now an incident has occurred that may spell its death knell. About 3  a.m.
today, police officers called to Weigel's encountered a huge crowd, many
autos, etc. One auto was playing very loud music. When an officer asked
the driver for his license, a black 19-year-old male in the back seat
apparently pulled a 9-mm pistol and pointed it at the officer. Another
officer is reported to have asked the youth to put the gun away, but he
extended his arm, pointing it at the first officer's head. The second
officer then shot and killed the youth.

Substances found in the auto are being analyzed.

This is not going to be pretty, whatever the full truth turns out to be.

Bethany

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> Do they give any indication of when in the following year you might be
> called?

Sometime after the anniversary of the original calling, I think. I don't
know - I've never deferred.

--Adam
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Rita Chapman wrote:
> > "Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
> > of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
> > own property, you could be called.
>
>         Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?

This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
at all.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> So far as I know, that still varies by jurisdiction.
>
>Yes, as you know from continuing reading this thread, that has now been
>agreed upon.  I had assumed it was by voter rolls everywhere.  I've been
>a voter in only five different locales, and all but my current one were
>a long time ago.  I'm not sure how jurors were selected in those places.

Yes, I have now read some other wl posts -

Thanks,
Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> When an officer asked
> the driver for his license, a black 19-year-old male in the back seat
> apparently pulled a 9-mm pistol and pointed it at the officer. Another
> officer is reported to have asked the youth to put the gun away, but he
> extended his arm, pointing it at the first officer's head. The second
> officer then shot and killed the youth.

I hope the policeperson was also black.  That will help keep it from
turning into a race thing.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>My stock pre-Schwab wasn't <housed> with brokers.  Iow, once it was
>bought (and they did get a fee, of course), they had nothing to do with
>it.  The certificates were in my grubby little hands, and any dealings
>were between me and the companies involved.

That would make a difference.

Bethany

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Natalie:
>My stock pre-Schwab wasn't <housed> with brokers.  Iow, once it was
bought (and they did get a fee, of course), they had nothing to do with
it.  The certificates were in my grubby little hands, and any dealings
were between me and the companies involved.<

Of course, since it was not in your broker's hands, transfers were not
possible. You could have <placed> the stock with another broker, but you
could not have <transferred> it from one broker to another.

Bethany

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Saturday, May 17, 2003, 1:20:53 PM, Anne Toal wrote:
> > Make that a *Dallas-based* chain, the parent company of which
> also francises
> > Chili's. So you were actually dining in a tiny little soverign
> corner of the
> > Great State.
>
> That must be why the food sucks so bad.

:-)

Braggin' about Chili's...hehehehehhheh

Marie

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>How seriously is ignoring a jury summons treated?  Do any of you know?

This varies greatly by jurisdiction.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I don't remember paying any transfer fees when my stuff has migrated.
> >The new <keepers> always seemed delighted to receive it and did the
> >paperwork, and I never saw any charges.  Maybe I just didn't notice.
>
> What year was that? ML has changed a great deal over the years.

I've never been involved with ML.  My stuff moved from Schwab to
Prudential in '98 and then from Prudential to AIG-Valic (by whatever
name it was using then) a couple of years ago.

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"again, all around" wrote:

> 'course, LA is one of only two states, IIRC,
> where you can be convicted without a unanimous

I read in today's SDN that LA and MS are close to an agreement on
hurricane evacuation procedures -- that MS has decided to say ok to LA
and make I-59 one-way for some number of miles in case of evacuation of
NO.
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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:25:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
> applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
> vote will not ever be called for jury duty.

Really? I thought that in some places they pulled from the driver's
license registration.

Karen

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:43:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Hmm.  Maybe it varies from place to place.

Nope. http://www.co.riverside.ca.us/election/juryduty.htm


Karen

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> The only reason I am staying with ML is that I am not ready to sell the
>> two stocks I still hold through them - and I do not want to pay the
>> transfer fees.
>
>I don't remember paying any transfer fees when my stuff has migrated.
>The new <keepers> always seemed delighted to receive it and did the
>paperwork, and I never saw any charges.  Maybe I just didn't notice.

What year was that? ML has changed a great deal over the years.

Bethany

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Karen:
>>actually get 2 quarts! Yum!
>I have about 10 pounds of blackberries

After sating myself on the fresh fruit,
I'll make a simple white or yellow cake
(consult Fannie Farmer) in two layers.

Whip some cream with the absolute MINIMUM
of sugar and fill the middle with that
and your fruit.

It goes fast, I'll tellya.

--
Richard        semi-pathological propensity

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Uh huh.  ROFL.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie:
> How seriously is ignoring a jury summons treated?

We were told a sheriff's deputy shows
up at your door, but I didn't meet any
fellow jurors who were <so compelled>
(as a lawyer might put it).

I was once called back on a day when
we had been dismissed in the morning,
and was given a hour to show up, with
that implied threat.

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Richard        semi-pathological propensity

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 4:57:19 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>>>actually get 2 quarts! Yum!
>>I have about 10 pounds of blackberries

> After sating myself on the fresh fruit,
> I'll make a simple white or yellow cake
> (consult Fannie Farmer) in two layers.

> Whip some cream with the absolute MINIMUM
> of sugar and fill the middle with that
> and your fruit.

> It goes fast, I'll tellya.

Yes. 10 pounds doesn't seem like very many at all!

I made my first batch of jam, and now I'm washing everything and
gearing myself up to do it again.

I can't decide whether I want a pie, or if I want to make more jam. I
have enough berries for maybe two batches of jam and one pie, or 3
batches of jam.

Karen

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:52:35 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:43:08 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Hmm.  Maybe it varies from place to place.
>>
>> Nope. http://www.co.riverside.ca.us/election/juryduty.htm

> ?  That's a California site.

Yes, but it says "Both the Department of Motor Vechicles and the
Registrar of Voters are required by law to make our lists availahble
to the Federal and State Jury Services." That's unlikely to be a state
law.

Karen

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On Sunday, May 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>> > "Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
>> > of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
>> > own property, you could be called.
>>
>>         Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?

> This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
> years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
> a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
> the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
> at all.

Huh????

Karen

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> Marie Ascher wrote:
> > rosemary, two kinds of thyme, parsley, marjoram, and dill.
>
> The place we giggled when the waiter left out thyme -- or maybe it was
> parsley or sage or rosemary -- was named Rachel's.  Inspired by Sandra,
> I have filled up a bunch more boxes of books to take to Friends of the
> Public Library.  In the course of filling up boxes, I looked inside a
> little NYC book and found scribbled at the back the things we had done
> on that trip, including that Judith, Emily, Rashmi, and I went down to
> Rachel's, where we met Bayla and Tom Lee.  That was the night you joined
> us for dessert, right?  You weren't there for our giggle about the
> herbs.
>
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Inspiration sometimes bounces back :) I'm gonna fill up a couple boxes of
books to take, too. I'm sure some are worth money, but I'd rather just let
someone enjoy discovering them for free or cheap...whatever the library
dictates.

Sandra

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I received the federal court questionnaire a couple of weeks ago.   I had
ten days to return it under "penalty" of being picked up by a Sheriff and
escorted to the federal courthouse to explain in person why it wasn't
returned in a timely manner.   Needless to say, I sent it back the next
day.   Since I don't have any reason to be exempted from duty, I suppose
I'll be called for selection sooner or later.

I served on a county civil court a dozen or so years ago.  It was really
awful as far as scheduling..   The county clerk (at that time the clerk's
office compiled the list) didn't compile enough names for the entire year,
and the last quarter (my quarter-my usual luck) was short.   The folks for
that quarter got called in a LOT.  I was called for service at least once a
week (and sometimes twice) for those three months.  To my knowledge that
hasn't ever happened again.    The judge was really nice about it
though.   Very understanding when someone couldn't stay for a trial and
sent personal thank you letters to all the folks on the jury bank that
participated.   My letter had comments in it that showed that he knew I'd
served for at least one civil case each week.  Overall as an experience, it
was very interesting.   I sure learned a lot about people's behavior in
civil court..

pj


At 06:15 PM 5/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's the federal law re jury-duty:
>
>****************
>Before potential jurors are summoned for service, their names are randomly
>drawn from voters lists (and sometimes drivers lists) to receive a
>questionnaire to determine
>whether they meet the legal qualifications for jury service....The Jury
>Act, which is set out at Title 28, U.S. Code, Sections 1861-1878, calls
>for random selection of citizens' names from voters lists or combined
>voters and drivers lists.
>**************
>from:
>http://www.legallawhelp.com/federal_law/uscourts/answers.html#contact
>
>I am relieved to know that Mississippi isn't just violating federal law by
>using only the voter registration rolls.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I hope the policeperson was also black.  That will help keep it from
>turning into a race thing.

Nope. If he had been, this would have been minor news here. (Do you really
think I would have omitted that information? The default cop here is
white.)

Bethany

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"again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

>After sating myself on the fresh fruit,
>I'll make a simple white or yellow cake
>(consult Fannie Farmer) in two layers.
>
>Whip some cream with the absolute MINIMUM
>of sugar and fill the middle with that
>and your fruit.

I wish I had ten quarts of fresh picked berries so I could
make this now. It sounds dee-lish.

-rashmi

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
>Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:25:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
> > applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
> > vote will not ever be called for jury duty.
>
>Really? I thought that in some places they pulled from the driver's
>license registration.

In the last year and a half I've been called (summoned?) twice for jury
duty,
the second time after I'd informed them (thro' the reply card) that as a
resident I was not eligible.

-rashmi

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 7:11:31 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:25:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
>> > applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
>> > vote will not ever be called for jury duty.
>>
>>Really? I thought that in some places they pulled from the driver's
>>license registration.

> In the last year and a half I've been called (summoned?) twice for jury
> duty,
> the second time after I'd informed them (thro' the reply card) that as a
> resident I was not eligible.

I must be in sugar overload from too much spoon licking. How come
residents are not eligible?

Btw, Sure-jell no-sugar pectin rocks. (I added a little bit of sugar
because the berries are not sweet.)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>"Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
>>>of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
>>>own property, you could be called.
>>>
>>        Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?
>>
>
> This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
> years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
> a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
> the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
> at all.


        Because everywhere I've ever lived, the qualification was
just citizenship.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Part II airs tonight 9-11 (really about 10:30).

(Did I tell you about the book _River Teeth_? Teeth are big in my life
right now.)

Bethany

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I am back home in Norfolk tonight.  My grandson brought me
back to get clean clothes and a shampoo and pay bills, etc.
We had gone to Omaha last Wed for tests, never expecting to
stay on and on . . altho we did pack a toothbrush and pj's.
A friend is taking me back to Omaha tomorrow, where we
will get the result of at least one more test and have a family
conference with doctors and start making decisions.  We have
a medical team and a surgical team assessing things and they
do not entirely agree.  Some say surgery, some say no.
Meanwhile, his heart has developed a weird rythym which
screams for a defribillator (sp?), they think he has had a
mild heart attack at some time recently which left damage, and one
artery is completely blocked.  The valve not as bad as they
originally thought and may or may not need repair.

While he's waiting for word, he is playing cards with his
grandsons and great grandsons.  Our family medical team is
there . . Jason (family practice), Alayne (geriatrics) and 
Sara (registered nurse).  It's a teaching hospital too so we
have teams of doctors at various stages of training popping
in, also top notch surgeons and cardiac specialists . . so
the discussions are pretty interesting.  And lots of humor
always.  To our family humor is food.

I have read some of the list postings but can't keep up on
it.  Hope all is well.  So glad to read reports from Alyce's
sons.

          - D. M.

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 8:41:54 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> While he's waiting for word, he is playing cards with his
> grandsons and great grandsons.  Our family medical team is
> there . . Jason (family practice), Alayne (geriatrics) and
> Sara (registered nurse).  It's a teaching hospital too so we
> have teams of doctors at various stages of training popping
> in, also top notch surgeons and cardiac specialists . . so
> the discussions are pretty interesting.  And lots of humor
> always.  To our family humor is food.

This sounds very good, Doris. I hope it goes well.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I hope the policeperson was also black.  That will help keep it from
> >turning into a race thing.
>
> Nope. If he had been, this would have been minor news here. (Do you really
> think I would have omitted that information? The default cop here is
> white.)

I would think that a shooting by a policeperson of a teenager (though I
tend to think of nineteen as not really teenager) would be pretty big
news anywhere.  Re race, I don't know what the ratio is here, but my
default thought if somebody mentions a policeperson is to think of
him/her (my default is to think him) as black.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>>"Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
> >>>of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
> >>>own property, you could be called.
> >>>
> >>        Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?
> >>
> >
> > This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
> > years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
> > a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
> > the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
> > at all.
>
>         Because everywhere I've ever lived, the qualification was
> just citizenship.

I don't follow.  I thought the national law required random selection
based on either just voter registration or a combined pool of that plus
drivers licenses.  How can that include all <just citizens>?

And what would the "or" phrase above (at the > >>> level) have to do
with Jim Crowishness?

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Thanks for the update, Doris!  I'm happy that you have all those family
members around.  And I'm happy that humor and general upbeatedness are
present.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >> > "Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
> >> > of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
> >> > own property, you could be called.
> >>
> >>         Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?
>
> > This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
> > years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
> > a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
> > the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
> > at all.
>
> Huh????

Huh what?

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 9:02:53 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>   Re race, I don't know what the ratio is here, but my
> default thought if somebody mentions a policeperson is to think of
> him/her (my default is to think him) as black.

I think that's unusual.

Karen

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 9:04:07 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 18, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >> > "Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
>> >> > of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
>> >> > own property, you could be called.
>> >>
>> >>         Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?
>>
>> > This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
>> > years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
>> > a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
>> > the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
>> > at all.
>>
>> Huh????

> Huh what?

What do you base your statement that people not registered to vote aren't
in the pool on? That seems to contradict the idea of 'qualified voters
or resident owners of real property'.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"Jurors must be qualified voters or resident owners of real property
>>>>>of the county in which the trial is held." So if you don't vote, but
>>>>>own property, you could be called.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       Is this a leftover of Jim Crow?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>This which?  Very few blacks were registered voters in the Jim Crow
>>>years.  Far more were property owners.  So I can't see how that would be
>>>a Jim Crow appendage.  But then I don't really see why it's mentioned in
>>>the description since people not registered to vote aren't in the pool
>>>at all.
>>>
>>        Because everywhere I've ever lived, the qualification was
>>just citizenship.
>>
>
> I don't follow.  I thought the national law required random selection
> based on either just voter registration or a combined pool of that plus
> drivers licenses.  How can that include all <just citizens>?
>
> And what would the "or" phrase above (at the > >>> level) have to do
> with Jim Crowishness?


        Because that's not the national law.




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I didn't chase all the URLs posted, so I'm not sure if this is redundant or
not, but I thought I'd throw it in:

<http://www.kingston.ac.uk/~ku00596/elsres01.pdf>:

>In 1968, the United States Congress passed the Jury Selection and Service
>Act (JSSA). The Act ensures, _inter alia_, that in Federal Courts any
>substantial deviations in jury lists from a fair cross section (of the
>community) are to be corrected by supplementation with names from other
>readily available source lists, such as driver s license or public utility
>lists.[49]  Nevertheless, at state level, for example in _People v.
>Harris_,[50] the California Supreme Court found that voters lists were not
>sufficiently representative of the jurisdiction. Subsequently, the
>California Legislature required all state courts to merge lists of voters
>and drivers. Many other states require courts to merge various lists,
>recognising the need to improve crosssectional representation.  In the
>drive to improve the quality of the jury pool, these lists include
>numerous sources, including telephone books, city directories, local
>censuses, lists of property and income taxpayers, welfare recipients, high
>school graduates, natural citizens, utility customers, hunting licenses
>and even dog licenses.[51]

Before the JSSA, federal juries were selected by the "key man" method,
meaning that individuals believed to have extensive contacts in the
community would contribute names that would go into the jury wheel.

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >   Re race, I don't know what the ratio is here, but my
> > default thought if somebody mentions a policeperson is to think of
> > him/her (my default is to think him) as black.
>
> I think that's unusual.

I guess if you lived somewhere with few blacks most policepeople would
be white.  But in places with large black populations it makes sense
that there would be many black policepeople. Starkville has more white
than black residents, but my guess is that there are more black than
white policepeople (though I'm not sure of that -- I can find out pretty
easily -- the easiest way since I hate telephones would be to send
e-mail to a friend in Japan and ask her to ask her son, who works for
the Sville police dept).  My guess is based on what I see -- as in most
policepeople I see around town are black.  The reason, also a guess, is
probably a couple of related things that are both rapidly changing: (1)
the education level of blacks tends to be lower than of whites, and (2)
only a high school diploma has been required in the past to go into
police work.  As I said, both of those are changing -- more and more
blacks are going to college, and more and more police openings at least
prefer if not require a college degree.

As I said, Starkville has more white residents than black residents.  In
other parts of the state, like the Delta and like my hometown of
Jackson, there are far more black residents than white residents.  In
places like that, my guess is that the police departments have very few
whites.

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At 12:06 AM 5/19/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>"again, all around" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:
>
>>After sating myself on the fresh fruit,
>>I'll make a simple white or yellow cake
>>(consult Fannie Farmer) in two layers.
>>
>>Whip some cream with the absolute MINIMUM
>>of sugar and fill the middle with that
>>and your fruit.
>
>I wish I had ten quarts of fresh picked berries so I could
>make this now. It sounds dee-lish.

Yes! We quit making jam.  Too much sugar and too much mess.

Betty

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I would think that a shooting by a policeperson of a teenager (though I
>tend to think of nineteen as not really teenager) would be pretty big
>news anywhere.  Re race, I don't know what the ratio is here, but my
>default thought if somebody mentions a policeperson is to think of
>him/her (my default is to think him) as black.

Even when you are thinking of a locale where the total black population is
about 5%???

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What do you base your statement that people not registered to vote aren't
> in the pool on? That seems to contradict the idea of 'qualified voters
> or resident owners of real property'.

We need Bethany for a legal <rendering> here, but this is what the law
seems to say:

********************
Q. HOW AM I SELECTED FOR JURY DUTY?

  A. Your name was randomly selected from the voters registration list
for the State of Mississippi.
********************
from: http://www.msnd.uscourts.gov/generalinfo/juror_faqs.htm

And this (from the url you provided):

*******************
The names of potential jurors are drawn at random by lot or chance from
a roster of
registered voters in this county.
*******************
from: http://www.msbar.org/jurors_guide.htm#selection

So how do these other people get into the pool?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >  Re race, I don't know what the ratio is here, but my
> >default thought if somebody mentions a policeperson is to think of
> >him/her (my default is to think him) as black.
>
> Even when you are thinking of a locale where the total black population is
> about 5%???

No.  See my earlier (subsequent to your reading this one, of course)
posting re that subject.  I realized that the black population in East
Tennessee was very small, btw, but I didn't realize how small.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >In 1968, the United States Congress passed the Jury Selection and Service
> >Act (JSSA). The Act ensures, _inter alia_, that in Federal Courts any
> >substantial deviations in jury lists from a fair cross section (of the
> >community) are to be corrected by supplementation with names from other
> >readily available source lists, such as driver s license or public utility

Right.  That explains the wording of the Mississippi law that says the
voter rolls are believed to represent a fair cross-section.  Apparently
nobody has suggested that's not true.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I don't follow.  I thought the national law required random selection
> > based on either just voter registration or a combined pool of that plus
> > drivers licenses.  How can that include all <just citizens>?
> >
> > And what would the "or" phrase above (at the > >>> level) have to do
> > with Jim Crowishness?
>
>         Because that's not the national law.

So if that were in fact the case in Mississippi (which it's not -- the
voter registration records are the pool), you would think it Jim Crowish
even though it favored blacks?  I find that logic a bit strange.

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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Even when you are thinking of a locale where the total black population is
>> about 5%???
>
>No.  See my earlier (subsequent to your reading this one, of course)
>posting re that subject.  I realized that the black population in East
>Tennessee was very small, btw, but I didn't realize how small.

It's about 5% in Knoxville, less elsewhere in East TN, I think.

Bethany

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Cool!

Bethany

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 9:35:22 PM, Betty wrote:
> Yes! We quit making jam.  Too much sugar and too much mess.

The no-sugar Sure-Jell rocks. Very little mess.

Karen

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 9:33:05 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> What do you base your statement that people not registered to vote aren't
>> in the pool on? That seems to contradict the idea of 'qualified voters
>> or resident owners of real property'.

> We need Bethany for a legal <rendering> here, but this is what the law
> seems to say:

> ********************
> Q. HOW AM I SELECTED FOR JURY DUTY?

>   A. Your name was randomly selected from the voters registration list
> for the State of Mississippi.
> ********************
> from: http://www.msnd.uscourts.gov/generalinfo/juror_faqs.htm

> And this (from the url you provided):

> *******************
> The names of potential jurors are drawn at random by lot or chance from
> a roster of
> registered voters in this county.
> *******************
> from: http://www.msbar.org/jurors_guide.htm#selection

> So how do these other people get into the pool?

Obviously, someone is <lying>.

Karen

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At 09:49 PM 5/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, May 18, 2003, 9:35:22 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Yes! We quit making jam.  Too much sugar and too much mess.
>
>The no-sugar Sure-Jell rocks. Very little mess.

Is it full of chemicals?  Glad it turned out well for you.

Strawberries  also make me want strawberry rhubarb pie that we have just
talked about.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > So how do these other people get into the pool?
>
> Obviously, someone is <lying>.

Speak up, Bethany.  We need your legal expertise.  What does that thing
about "or owner of property" (not an exact quotation) mean?  It's in the
same document that spells out clearly the fact that potential jurors are
randomly drawn from the registered voters.

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Betty wrote:

> Strawberries  also make me want strawberry rhubarb pie that we have just
> talked about.

I must register my mutancy once again by saying that I just don't get
all that turned on by strawberries.  I do like them at times -- like the
night my friend Richard and I ate almost all of the sugar-covered
strawberries in the kitchen of the symposium host while everybody else
was in the other room listening to the boring paper.  But in general I'm
not a strawberry fan.  I remember hating the strawberry portion of the
neopolitan ice cream that was <routine> in certain settings in my
childhood.  And I don't like strawberry yogurt.  And I don't like
strawberries on cereal.  And strawberry shortcake sux.  I just am not a
strawberry fan.

But strawberry rhubarb pie sounds interesting.  I did love Doris's
rhubarb at Jigglefest.  Before that I had always confused the words
rhubarb and rootabaga, neither of which are much known in my locale.
Rootabaga is white and bitter, right?  Sort of like turnips?

I'm reminded of my now-dead friend who discovered when living in
California many years ago that a neighbor was throwing away the turnip
greens and keeping the turnips.  She found that weird beyond words, but
they worked out a good relationship.  Mary Ann took the greens and let
her Yankee neighbor suck in the nasty turnips.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:06 PM 5/18/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Strawberries  also make me want strawberry rhubarb pie that we have just
> > talked about.
>
>I must register my mutancy once again by saying that I just don't get
>all that turned on by strawberries.

How about strawberries dipped in chocolate?

I did buy some strawberries this year that looked really pretty but had no
taste.  What a disappointment.

Betty

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One last thing before I turn off the computer and go to bed.  I have a
feeling that I was not the only Wordsler riddled with a major emotional
attack when "Alyce Cresap" showed up in the mail queue today.  As soon
as I saw it, I knew that Doug must be there.  And I was very glad to get
his report.  But that moment of seeing Alyce's name in the list of mail
was very strange.  Even as I was thinking, "Doug is there now," I
couldn't help but have this really weird fantasy that it had all been a
mistake -- that Alyce was sending us e-mail.

Enough maudlin stuff.  I'm about to go wash off the tears that this
posting has evoked and go to bed.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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The UT library server is under repair - I cannot access Lexis right now.
Jurisdictions vary a great deal, generally. Federal law is the same
everywhere, of course, but states vary, and within a state different
jurisdictions may have different rules. More when the server is restored.

Bethany

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 10:02:43 PM, Betty wrote:
>>The no-sugar Sure-Jell rocks. Very little mess.

> Is it full of chemicals?

Pectin. Other thickeners.

> Strawberries  also make me want strawberry rhubarb pie that we have just
> talked about.

Yes.

Karen

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 10:15:14 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> One last thing before I turn off the computer and go to bed.  I have a
> feeling that I was not the only Wordsler riddled with a major emotional
> attack when "Alyce Cresap" showed up in the mail queue today.  As soon
> as I saw it, I knew that Doug must be there.

We knew he'd be there on the 17th--that wsa the plan all along.

> But that moment of seeing Alyce's name in the list of mail
> was very strange.  Even as I was thinking, "Doug is there now," I
> couldn't help but have this really weird fantasy that it had all been a
> mistake -- that Alyce was sending us e-mail.

That's pretty weird.

But Alyce is far from <gone> for me. I think of her all the time, and
I have a zillion reminders of her.

Karen

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Sunday, May 18, 2003, 10:23:46 PM, Betty wrote:
> I did buy some strawberries this year that looked really pretty but had no
> taste.  What a disappointment.

Yep--this is a big problem with strawberries. (But not the ones from
my yard...)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>But in general I'm not a strawberry fan.  I remember hating the strawberry
>portion of the neopolitan ice cream that was <routine> in certain settings
>in my childhood.  And I don't like strawberry yogurt.  And I don't like
>strawberries on cereal.  And strawberry shortcake sux.

I don't like any of those things, either -- but fresh real strawberries are
something else again.

Pete

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At 10:29 PM 5/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, May 18, 2003, 10:23:46 PM, Betty wrote:
> > I did buy some strawberries this year that looked really pretty but had no
> > taste.  What a disappointment.
>
>Yep--this is a big problem with strawberries. (But not the ones from
>my yard...)

Nothing is better than home grown.  We have our tomatoes in finally.

Betty

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Saturdau morning we let the Constituition day celebrators stay in the city and celebrate and packed our bags with a tent, sleeping bags etc., including some extra warm cloths, mittens etc. Our transport (my cousin) arrived and off we went. We had some trouble before we found the private toll road (lumber road more or less) which was supposed to take us up to about 500 meters above the sea. But we found the road - only to discover that it was closed now since this was the season when the ground there was thawing and so there was no driving.

We said goodbye to our driver and started to climb up along the road. After aboy five kilometers we were at the top. Then we headed out along the next stretch of road - and here there was so much snow that my cousin wouldn't have had a chance even if he had managed to cross the road block further down. So we walked along this road for yeat another extra five kilometres. Then (from the point where we had planned to start) we hit some serious snow, mostly rotten. We kept on, tried to find ways around the deepest snow, and in places I just had to walk/crawl through and make some tracks Ingjerd could try to follow. But the we came to a beautiful place for a cup of tea/coffee. Here is a winter photo of the place - there wasn't that much snow now:

http://www.oot.dntoa.no/sinnerdammen.html

But it was also not as green as in picture one from the top here (taken just below the cabin shown in the link above):

http://home.no.net/turweb/sinnera_spaalen_katnosa.htm

This is all part of a network of waterways for lumber which were in function with more or less success up through the 19th century and patrtly into the 20th.

After coffe and tea we started off again. And then we had to cross over a hill, with wild, trollish kind of firs, lots of rocks, fallen dead trees across the trail, and in places lots of snow. It is difficult to see the trail sometimes when accidental gaps in the forest may look just as much like a planned trail as the real one when one can't see the bottom and see if anyone has really walked there. In some ways this reminded me of the part of the LOTR where they have to give up their climb through a mountain pass. But we didn't give up. And then it was downhill. And we came to a brook (a long time ago my boots where completely sodden, partly filled with ice water and with some snow thawing around my ancles), but this was no time for worrying about that. Of all silly things to carry on a hike I had a ceity-kind walking stick with a silver handle. (The reason was that my cousin's friend had found it as a gift for me, so I attached it to my backpack and brought it along.) This!
  was o
ne place where that walking stick was just what I needed to be able to cross the brook. Then another hellish part with lots of snow. And now I was so tired that I almost fell over at times and had problems with getting my feet and legs up when the snow gave away and I suddenly had it up to my crotch. But then, Oh happiness, we found a suitable place to spend the night just by the dam in photo #2 from the top here:

http://home.no.net/turweb/sinnera_spaalen_katnosa.htm

Yesterday we knew that we would have yet another hellish part to hike whether we returned the same way we had come or if we went on. So we went on. And here we really had to climb and as I wrote yesterday managed to come three kilometres (a little less than two miles) in 1 1/2 extremely tiring hours. But from the on we could select better roads: first a small lumber road which had not been open (as a road) in the winter but which had been part of a network of prepared cross country skiing trails and so the snow was still pretty hard packed in most places so we didn't sink through. And then there was sun, flowers and even a few butterflies. And so at about 6:30 PM yesterday we saw the first glimpses of civilisation such as a farm and a road sign:

http://home.enter.vg/nordmarka1/kjelsaas1.jpg

Espen

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17:53 18.05.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
>> But a judge who thinks that the jury is stupidly, unethically ignoring
>> the facts of the evidence in order to get the decision they want, can
>> overturn the verdict or declare a mistrial
>
>> It's rare, but it can happen.
>
>Thanks. This is what I've wondered about sometimes.

That happens in Norway not often, maybe, but not extremelay rarely either.

Espen

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17:26 18.05.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>Sunday, May 18, 2003, 5:25:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
>> applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
>> vote will not ever be called for jury duty.
>
>Really? I thought that in some places they pulled from the driver's
>license registration.

In a way, the idea of registering to vote is the most strange part of it for me.

'wegian peasant

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an article for Doug and Jeff, for when they think about moving
the remaining items back to IL.  It'll scare you - it's about
everything that can go wrong with movers:

http://tinyurl.com/c3id

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>I don't follow.  I thought the national law required random selection
>>>based on either just voter registration or a combined pool of that plus
>>>drivers licenses.  How can that include all <just citizens>?
>>>
>>>And what would the "or" phrase above (at the > >>> level) have to do
>>>with Jim Crowishness?
>>>
>>        Because that's not the national law.
>>
>
> So if that were in fact the case in Mississippi (which it's not -- the
> voter registration records are the pool), you would think it Jim Crowish
> even though it favored blacks?  I find that logic a bit strange.


        Nevermind.  I'm sorry I brought it up.  I don't have the
patience to explain myself right now.




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Betty wrote:

> >I must register my mutancy once again by saying that I just don't get
> >all that turned on by strawberries.
>
> How about strawberries dipped in chocolate?

No.  Their tastes are incompatible.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> We knew he'd be there on the 17th--that wsa the plan all along.

Yes.  I knew that.

> > But that moment of seeing Alyce's name in the list of mail
> > was very strange.  Even as I was thinking, "Doug is there now," I
> > couldn't help but have this really weird fantasy that it had all been a
> > mistake -- that Alyce was sending us e-mail.
>
> That's pretty weird.

Some of us aren't always literal.  Fantasies trip around the edges of
our minds.

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Betty wrote:

> Nothing is better than home grown.  We have our tomatoes in finally.

I've noticed that the least healthy looking of my tomato plants is the
only one so far that has a couple of baby tomatoes coming along.  The
healthier looking plants are all still at just the yellow-bloom stage.
The cold, wet spring has slowed the growth of tomato plants in general
around here, and I read that there is also a bigger threat of their
becoming diseased because of the slowness.

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

>6:30 PM yesterday we saw the first glimpses of civilisation such as a farm and a >road sign:
>
> http://home.enter.vg/nordmarka1/kjelsaas1.jpg

Great descriptions!  I was surprised at how lush and green that last
picture (url quoted above) looked.  I would have thought it would still
be a little too early there for such green lushness.

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07:00 19.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>>6:30 PM yesterday we saw the first glimpses of civilisation such as a farm and a >road sign:
>>
>> http://home.enter.vg/nordmarka1/kjelsaas1.jpg
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>Great descriptions!  I was surprised at how lush and green that last
>picture (url quoted above) looked.  I would have thought it would still
>be a little too early there for such green lushness.

And you would be right, since all these links are to other people's webpages, and none of them have images from just now. That final one seems to be from full summer, sometime in early July, maybe.

Espen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> In a way, the idea of registering to vote is the most strange part of it for me.

It's really strange when I think back on how it was when/where I first
registered to vote.  For one thing, that was when people were making
arguments about the unfairness of being old enough to be sent to war but
not to vote.  I can't remember when the voting age was lowered to 18.
It was sometime after I was a voter -- iow, after I was over 21.  But
the strangest part was taking the literacy test.  And then there were
poll taxes, but I really can't remember how they were extracted.  You
didn't hand over money at the ballot boxes.  Since the only tax I paid
back then was sales tax, I do wonder how the poll tax got paid.  I
didn't have income, except for the few hundred dollars I would make in
summers doing things like teaching waterskiing in NY, I didn't own a
car, I didn't own real estate, I didn't even rent except for a dorm room
on campus.  I'm intrigued now in wondering about how poll taxes worked.
Maybe they had been done away with right before I reached 21.

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steph wrote:
>
> an article for Doug and Jeff, for when they think about moving
> the remaining items back to IL.  It'll scare you - it's about
> everything that can go wrong with movers:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c3id

I don't think they were planning on hiring movers, were they.  I thought
Doug said yesterday they were going to rent a truck.

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> And you would be right, since all these links are to other people's webpages, and

I should have guessed that since I knew those other pictures weren't
ones you took.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Maybe they had been done away with right before I reached 21.

I've been googling around for poll taxes and have ascertained so far
that the above was not true -- the poll tax was still alive as recently
1972 (and I reached 21 in 1964).  I haven't found yet its ending date.
I also read in the 1890 state constitution that you didn't have to pay
the poll tax if you were missing a hand or a foot.  Interesting stuff.

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>It's really strange when I think back on how it was when/where I first
>registered to vote.   -- Natalie

I was still a nun when I first registered to vote.  I remember it
distinctly.  Felt like a real privilege to be able to vote.


    --bonniev

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There seems to be a discrepancy here:

***********
Over twenty years after Atlanta textile worker "Mr. Trout" lamented his
inability to vote to a WPA interviewer, collection of poll taxes in
national elections was prohibited by the January 23, 1964 ratification
of the Twenty-Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. Passage of the
amendment affected voting in Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, and
Virginia.
**********
from: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/jan23.html

I was not quite 21 at the above time -- turned 21 that March.

But then this from '72:

*****************
MISSISSIPPI CODE OF 1972
As Amended

SEC. 19-17-21. To credit and report on poll tax.

It shall be the duty of the county auditor to place to the credit of the
public school fund of the county all sums of money paid into the county
treasury arising from the state two dollars poll tax, and, on the first
day of October and April of each fiscal year, he shall report to the
county superintendent of public education and the auditor of public
accounts the amount of such credit during the
preceding six months.

SOURCES: Codes, 1880, Sec. 2173; 1892, Sec. 339; 1906, Sec. 360;
Hemingway's 1917, Sec. 3733; 1930, Sec. 306, 1942, Sec.
3014.
*****************
from: http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/19/017/0021.htm

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> Betty wrote:
> > >I must register my mutancy once again by saying that I just
> don't get
> > >all that turned on by strawberries.
> >
> > How about strawberries dipped in chocolate?
>
> No.  Their tastes are incompatible.

How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...

No.  I prefer my vanilla icecream naked.  If anything is put on it, I
want it to be hot fudge or cookie dough.  No fruit.

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At 07:27 AM 5/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>There seems to be a discrepancy here:


Not really.  SEC 19-17-21 simply stipulates where the money should go (and
when).  It says nothing about whether a poll tax could be collected.  My
guess is that the 24th Amendment abolished the collection of the poll tax
but that it took the Miss. legislature some time to remove inoperative
sections from the state code.

cwv

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At 08:29 AM 5/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:

>How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...

...or with a few drops of aceto balsamico...

cwv

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----- Original Message -----
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Rachel's, where we met Bayla and Tom Lee.  That was the night you
> joinedus for dessert, right?

Yes.

>You weren't there for our giggle
> about the
> herbs.

No, but I've heard it reported.

I've just Miracle-Gro'ed everything, so I'm hoping for an abundance of all of the above.

I haven't planted any tomatoes, because of the deer nuisance, and the nuisance of putting up deer fencing. Thank god they have a good farmer's market in Peekskill where I can pick up a wide variety of wonderful tomatoes soon. Maybe next year I'll consider growing them.

I bought some strawberries yesterday -- Driscoll's is the name on the package -- which I bought because when I walked into the A&P I immediately smelled strawberries, it was nearly an assault. I had just gone to buy mayonnaise, so when I got home *uc* says, ah, you bought more than mayonnaise. I said, I couldn't resist, Smell! Alas, they didn't taste as good as they smelled, which I think is interesting because I know taste and smell as inextricably related, but these must have had nothing that is received by the taste buds, just the olfactories. A *tiny* bit of sugar made them still a pretty good accompaniment for my ice cream last night.

Marie

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The best things to serve with strawberries (fresh-picked and dead ripe,
of course) is heavy cream, perhaps lightly whipped.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
> At 08:29 AM 5/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...
>
> ...or with a few drops of aceto balsamico...

Actually, I've had quite a few good variations on a spinach and strawberry salad this year. And I just found such a recipe...somewhere...

Marie

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 07:27 AM 5/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >There seems to be a discrepancy here:
>
> Not really.  SEC 19-17-21 simply stipulates where the money should go (and
> when).  It says nothing about whether a poll tax could be collected.  My
> guess is that the 24th Amendment abolished the collection of the poll tax
> but that it took the Miss. legislature some time to remove inoperative
> sections from the state code.

I thought about that -- or rather about how there might still be money
remaining in the coffers from the previous poll taxing.

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If you're scared of sugar on strawberries, Splenda makes a good substitute.
It is chemically similar to sugar and makes the strawberries produce that
sweet sauce that they do after soaking in sugar. I've been enjoying the
strawberries with Splenda and a spoonful of homemade creme fraiche made from
half-n-half.

With the increasingly globalized economy, summer is becoming the season for
the return of *American-grown* berries. We had plentiful supplies of
Chilean-grown blueberries, strawberries, blackberries, and raspberries all
winter. But although the Chileans grow acceptable cherries, they don't (yet)
grow Rainier cherries, which I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of next
month. And their red cherries aren't as tangy and succulent as Washington
cherries. I'm confident that they will eventually address this deficiency,
though.

-aht

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> I haven't planted any tomatoes, because of the deer nuisance, and the nuisance of

I started not to because birds have eaten them all for the past good
many years now.  It's sort of like the e-bay timing/competition that we
were recently discussing.  I'll be watching the tomatoes, thinking that
the next day will be the perfect picking time, and then the birds will
swoop in and win.

> putting up deer fencing. Thank god they have a good farmer's market in Peekskill

I wish we had a real farmers' market -- one open regular hours.  We do
usually have a tiny place for a few months, not yet open, where fresh
vegetables are sold two or three days a week between 6 and 8 a.m.

> I bought some strawberries yesterday -- Driscoll's is the name on the package --

And I had a WLM while eating my cereal a little while ago.  I recently
bought a kind of Cheerios that has three berries in it -- blue, rasp,
and straw.  I was thinking about how my least favorite of the three is
the straw.  They have a bitter taste.

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Anne Toal wrote:

> With the increasingly globalized economy, summer is becoming the season for
> the return of *American-grown* berries. We had plentiful supplies of
> Chilean-grown blueberries, strawberries, blackberries, and raspberries all

When I went grocery shopping a couple of days ago, I went on and bought
some Chinese orange roughy.  Don't forget Alec's promise to come take
care of me when I get SARS from it.

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > putting up deer fencing. Thank god they have a good farmer's
> market in Peekskill
>
> I wish we had a real farmers' market -- one open regular hours.
> We do usually have a tiny place for a few months, not yet open, where fresh
> vegetables are sold two or three days a week between 6 and 8 a.m.

Oh, the one in Peekskill is Saturday mornings only, but that's generally enough to stock up on my tomatoes for (most of) the week.

I mean, we have a place just around the bend here called the Cortlandt Farm Market, and they are great for buying plants, herbs, flowers, etc -- live things -- and Christmas trees. I do a good deal of purchasing there -- unless I want something *exotic*, but I rarely buy any of their produce. It's boring and not that fresh looking.

The Peekskill farmer's market has local produce and dairy products. Exotic heirloom tomatoes. Fresh baked pies. And fresh poultry (though I've never bought any).

> And I had a WLM while eating my cereal a little while ago.  I recently
> bought a kind of Cheerios that has three berries in it -- blue, rasp,
> and straw.  I was thinking about how my least favorite of the
> three is
> the straw.  They have a bitter taste.

We were talking about fresh strawberries only. But I submit that the worst two artificial flavors are banana and grape. I generally think that fake strawberry things aren't as bad.

Marie

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At 08:48 AM 5/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:

>Actually, I've had quite a few good variations on a spinach and strawberry
>salad this year. And I just found such a recipe...somewhere...

Sounds interesting.

cwv

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> We were talking about fresh strawberries only. But I submit that the worst two artificial flavors are banana and grape. I generally think that fake strawberry things aren't as bad.

These Cheerio fruits are claimed to be "real," but obviously that
doesn't mean fresh.

Meanwhile, I'm about to head to Lowe's in Columbus to act upon my
brilliant idea of how I can replace the blinds in this room without
trusting myself to measure precisely.  I just took down all three of
them and plan to take them to Lowe's as <evidence> of the sizes
involved.  Thank goodness, I didn't follow my first impulse of taking
just one.  It was foolish for me to assume that the three windows were
exactly the same width.  They're not.  The one in the middle is four or
so inches narrower, and I'm not sure that the other two are precisely
the same width, though they're close.  I'm also going to get a ceiling
fan for the den while I'm there and then hire the electric man who came
when I had the fuse crisis and who looked at the situation in the den
and assured me that he (or his coworkers) could solve the problem of the
switch that turns on the track-lighting -- to make it so that I don't
have to turn on the track-lighting, which I almost never use, to
activate the fan cord.  I'm thinking maybe I should just take down the
track-lighting in that room.  What's the point of track-lighting except
maybe to display fine paintings on walls?  Why did the person I bought
this house from think it was <cool>?  He's an arty sort, so maybe he's
into artful lighting that I'm too rednecky to appreciate.

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Rita Rouvalis Chapman:
> the tax roles.

I want a tax role other than "payer".

--
Richard         this means nothing to me

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On Monday, May 19, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>> We were talking about fresh strawberries only. But I submit that the worst two artificial flavors are banana and grape. I generally think that fake strawberry things aren't as bad.

> These Cheerio fruits are claimed to be "real," but obviously that
> doesn't mean fresh.

Nor does it exclude added flavors.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Monday, May 19, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Marie Ascher wrote:
> >> We were talking about fresh strawberries only. But I submit
> that the worst two artificial flavors are banana and grape. I
> generally think that fake strawberry things aren't as bad.
>
> > These Cheerio fruits are claimed to be "real," but obviously that
> > doesn't mean fresh.
>
> Nor does it exclude added flavors.

One can assure that they are in there -- either "natural" or "artificial". They do amazing things in flavor factories.

One of the most interesting parts of "Fast Food Nation" (which I found to be a quick read, FWIW, Natalie), was the Chapter on "Why the French Fries Taste So Good" regarding the addition of "natural flavors" -- beef fat extract natural flavor -- to the McD's french fries and McNuggets -- this to make up for the fact that they are no longer fried in beef "tallow" -- whatever that is (lard, I imagine, or something worse).

>From M-W dictionary:  tallow - the white nearly tasteless solid rendered fat of cattle and sheep used chiefly in soap, margarine, candles, and lubricants.

Did you know that the best french fries are supposed to be those that are fried in horse (tallow?) fat?

Marie

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At 06:51 AM 5/19/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >I must register my mutancy once again by saying that I just don't get
> > >all that turned on by strawberries.
> >
> > How about strawberries dipped in chocolate?
>
>No.  Their tastes are incompatible.

Oh, your tastes are mutant, too?  :-)

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> I must register my mutancy once again by saying that I just don't get
> all that turned on by strawberries.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm all for berries. Use them in soy or yogurt-based smoothies. I like them
in anything but I'm not a fan of strawberry pie. My mom used to make a
strawberry mallow pie (frozen strawberries, strawberry jello with whipped
cream and marshmallows on a graham cracker crust!!!! Yum!). I get a yen for
strawberry yogurt periodically.

Sandra

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 9:58:54 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> One of the most interesting parts of "Fast Food Nation" (which I
> found to be a quick read, FWIW, Natalie), was the Chapter on "Why
> the French Fries Taste So Good" regarding the addition of "natural
> flavors" -- beef fat extract natural flavor -- to the McD's french
> fries and McNuggets -- this to make up for the fact that they are no
> longer fried in beef "tallow" -- whatever that is (lard, I imagine,
> or something worse).

I thought lard was from pigs.

I was shocked to see huge containers of it in HEB the other day; I
guess for Mexican food.

> Did you know that the best french fries are supposed to be those that are fried in horse (tallow?) fat?

I don't think I've ever had any.

Karen

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On Monday, May 19, 2003, sandra wrote:
> I get a yen for
> strawberry yogurt periodically.

I get a yen for strawberry jam sometimes.

Karen

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I'm impressed with your rugged hike in such mucky circumstances. I did a
6-mile hike in Marin County....Pt Reyes National Seashore. We had optimal
conditions and for most of the way a rather wide road to walk on. Nothing
like what you found yourself contending with. Plus you had overnight gear
on!!! You are some serious hikers!!!! I hope to get to that point soon.

Sandra

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What an adventure!

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What is 'rotten' snow?

Karen

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On Monday, May 19, 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> What an adventure!

Yes, I relived my youth, hiking in the mountains in Japan in the
spring. I remember using an umbrella during snowstorm.

Karen

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 10:57:44 AM, sandra wrote:
>> What is 'rotten' snow?
>>
>> Karen

> I'm guessing it means old and dirty... not fresh and fluffy.

Have you ever lived anywhere it snowed?

Karen

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>
> What is 'rotten' snow?
>
> Karen

I'm guessing it means old and dirty... not fresh and fluffy.

Sandra

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10:48 19.05.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>What is 'rotten' snow?

It is a direct translation from Norwegian. "Old" spring snow: porous snow since some of it has melted/evaporated. When you step on it it will not support you, and you sink through to the bottom. But you get kind of stuck, since what is left is pretty heavy - as opposed to how it is when you step into fresh fluffy snow: this is light and often you can just kick it away to move through it. Of course it is no fun to wade in heavy, loose non rotten snow, but then you can usually step on it to make firm steps and this doesn't go down for a meter or more.

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Marie:

>Did you know that the best french fries are supposed to be those that are
>fried in horse (tallow?) fat?

Yes. My Belgian coworkers all said horse fat was the way to go. I have no
idea what the fries
in Antwerp were cooked in but they were so good.

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 11:22:38 AM, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> 10:48 19.05.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>>What is 'rotten' snow?

> It is a direct translation from Norwegian. "Old" spring snow: porous
> snow since some of it has melted/evaporated. When you step on it it
> will not support you, and you sink through to the bottom. But you
> get kind of stuck, since what is left is pretty heavy - as opposed
> to how it is when you step into fresh fluffy snow: this is light and
> often you can just kick it away to move through it. Of course it is
> no fun to wade in heavy, loose non rotten snow, but then you can
> usually step on it to make firm steps and this doesn't go down for a
> meter or more.

Got it; I remember this well. It's one of the reasons I intentionally
don't live where it snows. (I'm so short that it's easy just to get
permanently stuck...)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes:

>But in general I'm not a strawberry fan.  I remember hating the strawberry
>portion of the neopolitan ice cream that was <routine> in certain settings
>in my childhood.  And I don't like strawberry yogurt.  And I don't like
>strawberries on cereal.  And strawberry shortcake sux.

None of these things come to mind when I think of strawberries. I think of
fresh
sun-ripened strawberries available for maybe 2-4 weeks of the year. I can't
stand
the "plastic" stuff in the store in the dead of winter.

Once again I'm struck by how differently Natalie and I seem to view most
foods.

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>Got it; I remember this well. It's one of the reasons I intentionally
>don't live where it snows. (I'm so short that it's easy just to get
>permanently stuck...)
>Karen

I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last seven
years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen describes it.


    --bonniev

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
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>Karen Kay wrote:
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>> > As I've said various times before, I think the system in
>California(?)
>> > is very good in that you can be rescheduled in situations
>of that kind.
>>
>> I thought you could be reschedule everywhere. I don't think CA is
>> particularly liberal in that regard.
>
>No.  There's no rescheduling here.
>
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> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net

Easy to reschedule in PA. Done it a few times.

alec

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> How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...
>
> Marie

And strawberries tossed with a little balsamic vinegar and brown
sugar...yummmmm

Sandra

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> Monday, May 19, 2003, 10:57:44 AM, sandra wrote:
> >> What is 'rotten' snow?
> >>
> >> Karen
>
> > I'm guessing it means old and dirty... not fresh and fluffy.
>
> Have you ever lived anywhere it snowed?
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> Karen

Yes. I'm up at our place at Tahoe for weeks at a time.

Sandra

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 12:04:09 PM, bonniev wrote:
>>Got it; I remember this well. It's one of the reasons I intentionally
>>don't live where it snows. (I'm so short that it's easy just to get
>>permanently stuck...)
>>Karen

> I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last seven
> years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen describes it.

I wonder why. I do know exactly what he's talking about, but I can't
remember where I've experienced--maybe in Ohio, the one winter I got
lost in a snowdrift over my head and got accepted at UH--I burst into
tears of joy at the thought of not having to go through another winter
like that.

Karen

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Karen on lard:
>I was shocked to see huge containers of it
>in HEB the other day; I guess for Mexican food.

You can't make a proper tamale without it.

>> Did you know that the best french fries are supposed to be those that are fried in horse (tallow?) fat?
> I don't think I've ever had any.

Have you ever eaten horse?  What's it like?

--
Richard         this means nothing to me

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 1:08:45 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen on lard:
>>I was shocked to see huge containers of it
>>in HEB the other day; I guess for Mexican food.

> You can't make a proper tamale without it.

The likelihood of my ever making tamales is below nil.

> Have you ever eaten horse?  What's it like?

Sweet.

Karen

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>> Have you ever eaten horse?  What's it like?
> Sweet.

Closer to pork than beef?

I wouldn't expect it to be marbled like
beef, or white like pork.

What parts do you eat?

--
...I guess I've eaten hooves before

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 1:19:28 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> Monday, May 19, 2003, 1:08:45 PM, again, all around wrote:
>> Have you ever eaten horse?  What's it like?

> Sweet.

And very, very tender.

Karen

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 1:24:27 PM, again, all around wrote:
> Closer to pork than beef?

Hm. Not really like either.

> I wouldn't expect it to be marbled like
> beef, or white like pork.

It's not.

> What parts do you eat?

I'm not sure.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Marie:
> >Did you know that the best french fries are supposed to be those
> that are
> >fried in horse (tallow?) fat?
>
> Yes. My Belgian coworkers all said horse fat was the way to go. I
> have no
> idea what the fries
> in Antwerp were cooked in but they were so good.

Yes, Belgium was the country being discussed.

Also supposedly important in Belgian frites is the process of double frying them -- frying them taking them out for a bit (I have no idea how long) and then resubmerging them in the oil (for another length of time of which I am unclear).

Marie

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bonniev wrote:

> >Got it; I remember this well. It's one of the reasons I intentionally
> >don't live where it snows. (I'm so short that it's easy just to get
> >permanently stuck...)
> >Karen
>
> I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last seven
> years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen describes it.
>
>     --bonniev

We have it here!
clo

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> I thought lard was from pigs.

Yes. So I guess lard is hog tallow.

Marie

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 2:09:00 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> I thought lard was from pigs.

> Yes. So I guess lard is hog tallow.

Nope. Lard is lard--pig fat. Tallow is cattle and sheep. Schmaltz is
chicken.

These all have different origins that may somehow be meaningful--lard
is ME from MF and eventually Latin, tallow is ME and Middle Dutch, and
schmaltz is Yiddish.

Karen

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Dead Bird re Emeril:
As for his accent,
> although his
> >restaurant is where?  New Orleans?  his accent seems more
> >Philly-like to me.
>
> Nah, His accent is not Philly, I hear every day. Maybe Rashmi or
> Marie can
> comment.

Emeril has at least two restaurants in New Orleans, but he is from Massachusetts. Fall River, specifically. He's Portuguese and he worked in a Portuguese bakery when he was a youngster. He's also a talented musician and turned down a music scholarship in order to pursue a cooking career. But note that music is included as an important part of his show. He was the youngest ever executive chef at Commander's Palace in New Orleans before getting his own restaurants and becoming a celebrity chef.

Re his accent, I think it is combination Massachusetts-New Orleans, which might land one somewhere in the vicinity of Philadelphia or Brooklyn. Every now and then the Massachusetts comes through loud and strong.

He irks me, but I think he's talented.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >> I thought lard was from pigs.
>
> > Yes. So I guess lard is hog tallow.
>
> Nope. Lard is lard--pig fat. Tallow is cattle and sheep. Schmaltz is
> chicken.
>
> These all have different origins that may somehow be meaningful--lard
> is ME from MF and eventually Latin, tallow is ME and Middle Dutch, and
> schmaltz is Yiddish.

Okay, but remember it's not just fat, it's *rendered* fat in all of these cases.

Marie

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 2:31:21 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> >> I thought lard was from pigs.
>>
>> > Yes. So I guess lard is hog tallow.
>>
>> Nope. Lard is lard--pig fat. Tallow is cattle and sheep. Schmaltz is
>> chicken.
>>
>> These all have different origins that may somehow be meaningful--lard
>> is ME from MF and eventually Latin, tallow is ME and Middle Dutch, and
>> schmaltz is Yiddish.

> Okay, but remember it's not just fat, it's *rendered* fat in all of these cases.

Sorry, yes.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
> applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
> vote will not ever be called for jury duty.

I searched the folder for words-l in my mailbox for messages containing
"Kris" among those sent today. I very quickly read them through, but
evidently I won't be able to read much this week. Busy busy busy till next
week.

Kristin

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Survivor dead bird:
> >Could you believe Heidi's little speech at Tribal Council about being
> >the mastermind of the group?
>
> I wonder why she even said that.  I thought she knew better.  I
> loved the
> guy on the jury who just put his face in his hands and shook his head!

I think she was trying to deflect votes again. Same thing I think with when Jenna gave up her immunity. In other words, if people had planned to vote for Jenna, but then one changed his mind because of what she said, then there might be a split vote. It was a desperate move.

Marie

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02003-05-19 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Got it; I remember this well. It's one of the reasons I intentionally
> >don't live where it snows. (I'm so short that it's easy just to get
> >permanently stuck...)
> >Karen
>
> I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last seven
> years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen describes it.

What the hell are you talking about. You get it in Chicago all the
time, for instance ...

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We plan to have breakfast on the morning of June 1 - in Durham.

Bethany

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> > I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last seven
> > years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen describes it.
>
>What the hell are you talking about. You get it in Chicago all the
>time, for instance ...

Read again.  I'm not denying that we get it.  I'm denying that I've ever
walked in it, at least in the way that Espen describes.


    --bonniev

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02003-05-19 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last
> >seven
> >> years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen describes it.
> >
> >What the hell are you talking about. You get it in Chicago all the
> >time, for instance ...
>
> Read again.  I'm not denying that we get it.  I'm denying that I've ever
> walked in it, at least in the way that Espen describes.

I am claiming that that is impossible.

Memory is a strange thing, "Bonnie"!

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> > Read again.  I'm not denying that we get it.  I'm denying that I've ever
> > walked in it, at least in the way that Espen describes.
>
>I am claiming that that is impossible.
>
>Memory is a strange thing, "Bonnie"!

You are coming very close to making third order inappropriate
statements.  Next thing you'll tell me that I've never been hungry or don't
like cheesecake.


    --bonniev

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I know Tushar will make fun of me, but I don't care.

Oprah, being a billionaire, spends a lot of time acting like a fairy
godmother. Today, she made it possible for someone who worships the
Temptations (as don't all right-thinking people?!) to sing with them.
What a wonderful thing! This guy will be talking about tis for the
rest of his life.

Karen

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 4:26:02 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> I know Tushar will make fun of me, but I don't care.

> Oprah, being a billionaire, spends a lot of time acting like a fairy
> godmother. Today, she made it possible for someone who worships the
> Temptations (as don't all right-thinking people?!) to sing with them.
> What a wonderful thing! This guy will be talking about tis for the
> rest of his life.                                       ^h

> Karen



Karen

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At 03:28 PM 5/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:

>He irks me, but I think he's talented.

oh yeah babe

cwv

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At 04:04 PM 5/19/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:28 PM 5/19/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>>He irks me, but I think he's talented.
>
>oh yeah babe

On second thought, that ought to be "aw yeah, babe."

BAM

cwv

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>You are coming very close to making third order inappropriate
>statements.  Next thing you'll tell me that I've never been hungry or don't
>like cheesecake.

No, wait.  It's an inappropriate second order statement.  I'm forgetting
everything I learned in school.  About time, too.


    --bonniev

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On Mon, 19 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I know Tushar will make fun of me, but I don't care.
>
>Oprah, being a billionaire, spends a lot of time acting like a fairy
>godmother. Today, she made it possible for someone who worships the
>Temptations (as don't all right-thinking people?!) to sing with them.
>What a wonderful thing! This guy will be talking about tis for the
>rest of his life.

Let him make fun of me too - I have decided that if I get my one wish it
will be to ride Funny Cide!

Bethany

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 4:30:34 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>I know Tushar will make fun of me, but I don't care.
>>
>>Oprah, being a billionaire, spends a lot of time acting like a fairy
>>godmother. Today, she made it possible for someone who worships the
>>Temptations (as don't all right-thinking people?!) to sing with them.
>>What a wonderful thing! This guy will be talking about tis for the
>>rest of his life.

> Let him make fun of me too - I have decided that if I get my one wish it
> will be to ride Funny Cide!

That seems more selfish than this guy. I guess because *he* didn't ask
for it--his daughter did.

Karen

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Tell her hi and that we miss her.



At 04:29 PM 5/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>We plan to have breakfast on the morning of June 1 - in Durham.
>
>Bethany

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In a message dated 05/19/2003 4:47:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Tell her hi and that we miss her.

>>

I second that!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Tell her that we are doing Beachfest again next March, the week of March
22.  She should come!

>Tell her hi and that we miss her.
>Betty
>
>>We plan to have breakfast on the morning of June 1 - in Durham.
>>Bethany
>
>    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > We should probably point out to Kristin that this jury-duty requirement
> > applies only to registered voters.  Somebody who does not register to
> > vote will not ever be called for jury duty.
>
> I searched the folder for words-l in my mailbox for messages containing
> "Kris" among those sent today. I very quickly read them through, but
> evidently I won't be able to read much this week. Busy busy busy till next
> week.

If you missed the other messages in this thread, you are misinformed.  I
thought everywhere in the country had the same way of determining the
jury pool.  Turns out that's not true.  Different districts use
different databases.  The only national rule is that it has to be a
fair, random system.  Voter-registration rolls appear to be the most
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registrations.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Mon, 19 May 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>Tell her hi and that we miss her.

Will do.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

>> > I've lived where it snows the first 24 years of my life and the last
>> seven
>> > years.  But I've never walked in rotten snow, the way Espen
>> describes it.
>>
>> What the hell are you talking about. You get it in Chicago all the
>> time, for instance ...
>
>
> Read again.  I'm not denying that we get it.  I'm denying that I've ever
> walked in it, at least in the way that Espen describes.


        Maybe Bar Harbor is different than the rest of Maine.  Or you
don't venture out much around that time of year.  Rotten
snow has a greyish cast to it, too.

        I'm enjoying the idea of Karen living in fear of giant snow
banks.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Mon, 19 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>Tell her hi and that we miss her.
>
>I second that!

Got it!

Bethany

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On Mon, 19 May 2003, bonniev wrote:

>Tell her that we are doing Beachfest again next March, the week of March
>22.  She should come!

Will do.

Bethany

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>        Maybe Bar Harbor is different than the rest of Maine.  Or you
>don't venture out much around that time of year.  Rotten
>snow has a greyish cast to it, too.

Or maybe when Spring comes there is rain which puts a bit of ice on top of
what snow is left.  Or maybe the fog eats the snow.  They say that
happens:  a snow-eating fog.

>        I'm enjoying the idea of Karen living in fear of giant snow
>banks.          --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Me too.


    --bonniev

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http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html

Bethany

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In a message dated 05/19/2003 8:40:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html

>>

Thanks!

The book sounds interesting; I think I'll buy it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html
>
> >>
>
> Thanks!
>
> The book sounds interesting; I think I'll buy it.

What she said! Thanks, Bethany.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Mon, 19 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>> Thanks!
>>
>> The book sounds interesting; I think I'll buy it.
>
>What she said! Thanks, Bethany.

You are both most welcome - it's definitely on my list.

Remember that course in Xtreme Talk that I want to teach?

Bethany

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02003-05-19 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html

"Gen-X"ers are becoming professors! How cute!

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>Okay, but remember it's not just fat, it's *rendered* fat in all of these
>cases.
>
>Marie

Personally, I think Rendered Fat would be a great name for a rock band.

This is only marginally apropos, but I remember that back around the time
Al Gore was inventing the Internet -- i.e., some time in the mid 1990s --
there was a rap group named 10-Base T.  Either you get it or you don't.

Ken Miller
Department of Musical Onomastics

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At 2:18 AM -0700 5/19/03, steph wrote:
>an article for Doug and Jeff, for when they think about moving
>the remaining items back to IL.  It'll scare you - it's about
>everything that can go wrong with movers:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c3id

But maybe Doug and Jeff could get Allan Denchfield's moving company to do
the job.  I'm sure Denchfield would do everything on the up-and-up for
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>>How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...
>
>...or with a few drops of aceto balsamico...
>
>cwv

With the strawberries, or with the vanilla ice cream?  Either way, it isn't
a combination I would have thought of trying, but I'm open to trying new
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Somehow, I am remind of Marty's cuisinological mind experiments.  I'd like
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>I bought some strawberries yesterday -- Driscoll's is the name on the
>package -- which I bought because when I walked into the A&P I immediately
>smelled strawberries, it was nearly an assault. I had just gone to buy
>mayonnaise, so when I got home *uc* says, ah, you bought more than
>mayonnaise. I said, I couldn't resist, Smell! Alas, they didn't taste as
>good as they smelled, which I think is interesting because I know taste
>and smell as inextricably related, but these must have had nothing that is
>received by the taste buds, just the olfactories. A *tiny* bit of sugar
>made them still a pretty good accompaniment for my ice cream last night.
>
>Marie

Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The Botany of
Desire_.

Not that it talks about the flavor and smell of strawberries, per se, but
it does explore a lot of interesting by-ways regarding the techniques
plants use to manipulate us into propagating them.

Ken Miller

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> >>How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...
> >
> >...or with a few drops of aceto balsamico...
> >
> >cwv
>
> With the strawberries, or with the vanilla ice cream?  Either
> way, it isn't
> a combination I would have thought of trying, but I'm open to trying new
> things.
>
> Somehow, I am remind of Marty's cuisinological mind experiments.  I'd like
> to know what his chipotle pumpkin pie tasted like, if he ever did actually
> make it.
>
> Ken Miller

When I've prepared strawberries this way, I just halve them and toss them
with the vinegar and a spoonful of brown sugar. No ice cream.
Hmmmm....vinegar and ice cream....I'm having a hard time imagining that. I
dunno. Maybe it's good.

Sandra

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>
> >I bought some strawberries yesterday -- Driscoll's is the name on the
> >package -- which I bought because when I walked into the A&P I
> immediately
> >smelled strawberries, it was nearly an assault. I had just gone to buy
> >mayonnaise, so when I got home *uc* says, ah, you bought more than
> >mayonnaise. I said, I couldn't resist, Smell! Alas, they didn't taste as
> >good as they smelled, which I think is interesting because I know taste
> >and smell as inextricably related, but these must have had
> nothing that is
> >received by the taste buds, just the olfactories. A *tiny* bit of sugar
> >made them still a pretty good accompaniment for my ice cream last night.
> >
> >Marie
>
> Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The
> Botany of
> Desire_.
>
> Not that it talks about the flavor and smell of strawberries, per se, but
> it does explore a lot of interesting by-ways regarding the techniques
> plants use to manipulate us into propagating them.
>
> Ken Miller

I heard the author speak on that NPR Science show (can't recall the name). I
have thought of the book at times when in a bookstore and couldn't recall
the title. Thanks for this!!! It sounded fascinating.

Sandra

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Chimps may belong in the human genus

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030519-121031-7196r

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[another Survivor dead bird:]
At 9:20 AM -0700 5/12/03, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Monday, May 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>> Nor did Christy even seem to understand that
>> it was her own indecision that got her voted off.
>
>Huh? I didn't see it that way.

Huh?  How could you not?

Rob started putting his alternate plan in play mostly *because* he wasn't
certain where he stood with Christy.  If Christy had said to Rob, "I'm
tight with you, dude, we're solid!" he would have stuck with Plan A, and
she still would have had all her options: she could have stuck with Rob, or
she could have gone with the evil stepsisters and forced a tie between Rob
and Heidi (or so she would have thought, not knowing that Jenna would give
up her immunity to Heidi).  Either way, Christy's name wouldn't even have
been on the ballot.  She made herself a target precisely *because* she
tried to play kingmaker.

>But I agree that I was disappointed in the outcome.

In the prescient words of Mark Knopfler, "What it is, it's what it is now."

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Social Studies

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02003-05-19 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> This is only marginally apropos, but I remember that back around the time
> Al Gore was inventing the Internet -- i.e., some time in the mid 1990s --

It was earlier than that, and besides it's time this stopped being such
an easy joke.

<http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/2000/RRE.Al.Gore.and.the.Inte1.html>

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Sandra writes,

>http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030519-121031-7196r

Or <http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993744>.

Also, it seems that perhaps the early anatomically modern humans (read
"Cro-Magnons") in Europe didn't interbreed with the Neandertals, after all:
<http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/1130343100v1>.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Busy busy busy till next
> > week.
>
> If you missed the other messages in this thread, you are misinformed.  I
> thought everywhere in the country had the same way of determining the
> jury pool.  Turns out that's not true.

Oh, thank you for answering. I read most or all messages the day before
yesterday, so I more or less know what it is all about. And I haven't deleted
messages unread. I'll try to read them, more superficially than usual perhaps,
during some coffee pauses or so.

But now I am going to plunge, or even be plunged into a huge portion of
proofreading that should be finished in Thursday evening. Then, on Thursday
evening, we have a concert of our choir (and a rehearsal tomorrow). And this
weekend will find me in the literary museum to finish a portion there to hand it
in at Monday noon. What an interesting life to lead :)

And Uku is writing his high school final math exam just now. Math, and other
real sciences, are not his strongest sides, yet he chose also chemistry and
biology for his graduation exams, and these will take place in a week and two
weeks correspondingly.

Kristin

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>Ken Miller
>Richard Hatch School of Social Studies

Speaking of Richard Hatch, have you heard that in February they will air an
all-star Survivor series?  Richard Hatch, his Navy seal buddy, Jerri of the
cowboy hat, Susan the Wisconsin truck driver, the Knoxville woman winner,
etc. will be the contestants.  Location not yet decided.  Two million
dollar purse.


    --bonniev

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At 08:26 PM 5/19/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
> >>How about strawberries with vanilla ice cream?  Mmmmmmm...
> >
> >...or with a few drops of aceto balsamico...
> >
> >cwv
>
>With the strawberries, or with the vanilla ice cream?  Either way, it isn't
>a combination I would have thought of trying, but I'm open to trying new
>things.

I was thinking of the strawberries, but it might not be bad on strawberries
+ ice cream.  I still have a little of the "real" aceto that I bought in
Siena.  It also is good on fresh pears, manchego cheese, etc.

>Somehow, I am remind of Marty's cuisinological mind experiments.  I'd like
>to know what his chipotle pumpkin pie tasted like, if he ever did actually
>make it.

There are those who would maintain that almost anything would improve a
pumpkin pie ("It's just an excuse to eat nutmeg."--G. Keillor).  The
Mexican restaurant here offers an appetizer of small whole mushrooms stewed
in a chipotle sauce;  I add a small amount of the adobo sauce that canned
chipotles are packed in to home-made salsa verde and canola oil---great
salad dressing.  I did find out from Marty that his experiments in
developing sauces for dinner waffles were disappointing.

cwv

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bonniev wrote:

> Speaking of Richard Hatch, have you heard that in February they will air an
> all-star Survivor series?  Richard Hatch, his Navy seal buddy, Jerri of the
> cowboy hat, Susan the Wisconsin truck driver, the Knoxville woman winner,
> etc. will be the contestants.  Location not yet decided.  Two million
> dollar purse.

Oooh.  That should be fun!  I don't remember the Navy seal buddy or
Jerri.  Who are they?  And how exactly are the participants being
chosen?  Obviously they weren't all sole survivors.  The top how many
are being invited?  Are some of the invitees turning down the
invitation?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Had a nice Vic Day weekend.  Steve and I spent 12 hours Saturday and 8 hours
Sunday working in his garden.  We put in a new bed beside the driveway and it
involved a lot of digging out the hard clay and replacing it with something that plants
can actually grow in.  We put in lillies and clematis and a rose and a bunch of other
stuff.  I feel like we accomplished a lot but I also overdid it a bit and am recovering
from a badly pulled muscle in my back.  Thank goodness for Advil.

What did I miss?

BrP

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On Mon, 19 May 2003, Bookrat wrote:

> >Okay, but remember it's not just fat, it's *rendered* fat in all of these
> >cases.
> >
> >Marie
>
> Personally, I think Rendered Fat would be a great name for a rock band.

Yep - I can see them now, backing up the guy who's touring w/ Cyndi Lauper
now -
"Meatloaf and Rendered Fat!"
clo

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On Tue, 20 May 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> But now I am going to plunge, or even be plunged into a huge portion of
> proofreading that should be finished in Thursday evening. Then, on Thursday
> evening, we have a concert of our choir (and a rehearsal tomorrow). And this
> weekend will find me in the literary museum to finish a portion there to hand it
> in at Monday noon. What an interesting life to lead :)
>
> And Uku is writing his high school final math exam just now. Math, and other
> real sciences, are not his strongest sides, yet he chose also chemistry and
> biology for his graduation exams, and these will take place in a week and two
> weeks correspondingly.

Boy, have fun. I wish Uku a calm state of mind to complete his
studying. Good luck with the math and science - and I hope that it's a
little bit fun, that there are some interesting questions that present
puzzles to solve!

clo

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>Oooh.  That should be fun!  I don't remember the Navy seal buddy or
>Jerri.  Who are they?  And how exactly are the participants being
>chosen?  Obviously they weren't all sole survivors.  The top how many
>are being invited?  Are some of the invitees turning down the
>invitation?    -- Natalie

I don't know all the details.  The Navy seal was in the very first
show.  He and Richard Hatch had such a strong alliance (even though the
elderly Navy seal knew his buddies would give him heck for being friends
with a gay man), that when it came down to the final three, Hatch stepped
off the stump to eat orange slices with the host, knowing that either the
Navy seal or the yoga woman would choose him to go to the final two.

Jerri was a young bosomy, annoying, Texas woman (bartender I think) from
the second or third series.


    --bonniev

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> >Ken Miller
> >Richard Hatch School of Social Studies
>
> Speaking of Richard Hatch, have you heard that in February they
> will air an
> all-star Survivor series?  Richard Hatch, his Navy seal buddy,
> Jerri of the
> cowboy hat, Susan the Wisconsin truck driver, the Knoxville woman winner,
> etc. will be the contestants.  Location not yet decided.  Two million
> dollar purse.
>
>     --bonniev

I didn't follow the ratings for the last Survivor (6?) but I'm guessing
they've dropped way off from the first two adventures. The ick factor on
this upcoming show is promising. I'm sure I'll tune in for the first
episode.

Sandra

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>What did I miss?
>BrP

Welcome home.  The younger twin reported in that he and Alyce's sister are
now in residence.  They filled the huge dumpster and still the house is 90%
full of stuff.  But they are working hard and he thanks all of us for being
good friends to Alyce.

It was Betty's birthday on Saturday and she ate three cakes.


    --bonniev

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>I didn't follow the ratings for the last Survivor (6?) but I'm guessing
>they've dropped way off from the first two adventures. The ick factor on
>this upcoming show is promising. I'm sure I'll tune in for the first
>episode.       --Sandra

What "ick factor"?  The upcoming show is in August and will take place on
islands off the Atlantic coast of South America.  For the first time, the
two initial tribes will be on completely different islands.  Ratings are
doing pretty well.  This last one was said to be the most popular one yet,
although that could be CBS hype.  God knows, Survivor is doing much better
than some of the later reality shows like "Hot or Not."


    --bonniev

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> >I didn't follow the ratings for the last Survivor (6?) but I'm guessing
> >they've dropped way off from the first two adventures. The ick factor on
> >this upcoming show is promising. I'm sure I'll tune in for the first
> >episode.       --Sandra
>
> What "ick factor"?  The upcoming show is in August and will take place on
> islands off the Atlantic coast of South America.  For the first time, the
> two initial tribes will be on completely different islands.  Ratings are
> doing pretty well.  This last one was said to be the most popular one yet,
> although that could be CBS hype.  God knows, Survivor is doing much better
> than some of the later reality shows like "Hot or Not."
>
>     --bonniev

All of my offline friends have stopped watching it. So, I would have never
imagined this last one to be the most popular. I was into it the second
season, but my interest has waned. I did watch the last episode of the most
recent adventure.

Sandra

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--bonniev:
>I'm forgetting everything I learned in school.  About time, too.

Only if you didn't learn anything
worth knowing in school.

--
Richard     predict often, don't keep records

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Ken Miller:
>the techniques plants use to manipulate us into propagating them.

Karen can have her irrational fears of
marauding snowbanks; I'll be creeping
out on images of manipulative plants.

--
Richard     predict often, don't keep records

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>--bonniev:
> >I'm forgetting everything I learned in school.  About time, too.
>
>Only if you didn't learn anything
>worth knowing in school.
>--
>Richard     predict often, don't keep records

I was a philosophy major.  Enough said.


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:06:56 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen can have her irrational fears of
> marauding snowbanks;

It's not an irrational fear if it's happened to you twice.

Karen

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 11:16:37 PM, Bookrat wrote:
> [another Survivor dead bird:]
> At 9:20 AM -0700 5/12/03, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Monday, May 12, 2003, bonniev wrote:
>>> Nor did Christy even seem to understand that
>>> it was her own indecision that got her voted off.
>>
>>Huh? I didn't see it that way.

> Huh?  How could you not?

Easily.

> Rob started putting his alternate plan in play mostly *because* he wasn't
> certain where he stood with Christy.  If Christy had said to Rob, "I'm
> tight with you, dude, we're solid!" he would have stuck with Plan A, and
> she still would have had all her options: she could have stuck with Rob, or
> she could have gone with the evil stepsisters and forced a tie between Rob
> and Heidi (or so she would have thought, not knowing that Jenna would give
> up her immunity to Heidi).  Either way, Christy's name wouldn't even have
> been on the ballot.  She made herself a target precisely *because* she
> tried to play kingmaker.

I don't believe that Rob and the evil stepsisters were necessarily
telling the truth when they said what they would have done.

>>But I agree that I was disappointed in the outcome.

> In the prescient words of Mark Knopfler, "What it is, it's what it is now."

It's what it is was then, too.

Karen

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 6:17:44 PM, bonniev wrote:
> Or maybe when Spring comes there is rain which puts a bit of ice on top of
> what snow is left.  Or maybe the fog eats the snow.  They say that
> happens:  a snow-eating fog.

The ice-over-snow thing I thought happened when it was colder, not in
the spring. I remember being able to walk on the crust--most of the
way.

>>        I'm enjoying the idea of Karen living in fear of giant snow
>>banks.          --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

> Me too.

You are both mean.

Karen

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Monday, May 19, 2003, 5:42:51 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I'm enjoying the idea of Karen living in fear of giant snow
> banks.

I don't live in fear; I just don't go anywhere it's cold.

But why is this enjoyable to you?

Karen

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--bonniev:
> I was a philosophy major.  Enough said.

How did you settle on that, anyway?
How many times did you change your major?

--
Richard     predict often, don't keep records

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Karen:
> It's not an irrational fear if it's happened to you twice.

I'm guessing you're safe, for the
moment at least, in Austin.

--
Richard     predict often, don't keep records

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:32:08 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> It's not an irrational fear if it's happened to you twice.

> I'm guessing you're safe, for the
> moment at least, in Austin.

Duh.

Karen

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 >>        I'm enjoying the idea of Karen living in fear of giant snow
 >>banks.          --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

> > Me too.   --bonniev
>
>You are both mean.
>Karen

No, we are just tall and thus lack empathy.


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:40:47 AM, bonniev wrote:

>  >>        I'm enjoying the idea of Karen living in fear of giant snow
>  >>banks.          --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

>> > Me too.   --bonniev
>>
>>You are both mean.
>>Karen

> No, we are just tall and thus lack empathy.

When did Rita get tall?~!

Karen

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>--bonniev:
> > I was a philosophy major.  Enough said.
>
>How did you settle on that, anyway?
>How many times did you change your major?
>Richard     predict often, don't keep records

I started undergraduate school while still a nun.  I began as a chemistry
major but grew discouraged when the lab teacher kept saying the results
were skewed "possibly due to a dirty test tube."  So I became a history
major.  But I found it boring.  So I became a math major and utterly loved
that.

Then I left the convent in my senior year of college and, after a recess to
make money and get oriented, I transferred to the University of
Wisconsin.  Because they wouldn't accept many of my theology credits, I was
back to a second semester Junior.

I studied the catalog, realized that I would need a third semester of
calculus before I could advance as a math major.  I studied the catalog
some more and realized that, if I changed from a math major to a philosophy
major, I could graduate in no time.

So that's what I did.  Philosophy at a liberal college in the late 1960s
was fun and easy.  I registered for all the symbolic logic classes that
were offered and aced them without attending more than one out of every ten
class sessions.  I would have indeed gradated quickly if it hadn't been for
the stupid language requirement.

Eventually I acquired a BA and a husband.   When graduate school beckoned
me, I stuck with the philosophy thing.


    --bonniev

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>When did Rita get tall?~!
>Karen

What!!?  Rita's not tall?????  Next thing you'll be telling me she isn't
cute either.


    --bonniev

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Karen:
>Duh.

It once snowed over 9 inches in Austin.

...and there's already been a named
tropical storm, the earliest EVER.

This could be THE YEAR.

--
Richard     predict often, don't keep records

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It just dawned on me that one can watch the cruise ships disgorge their
hordes on the geddy cam:    http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html

We walked down there this morning, after I painted the back deck.   I think
the first wave of cruise ship tourists were just landing on shore.  Someone
with an amplified voice was directing them:  to the red bus for a tour of
Acadia, to the first two buses for a lobster bake.  That was 10:30 in the
morning.  As Clyde commented, they had probably just finished their second
breakfast.

Adam and Rashmi, the Edenbrook Motel is finally open!   Yeah!

Terry, more news on the bar of your honeymoon B&B, The Ledgelawn.   We know
a couple who used to frequent that bar back when it was to the right of the
front door, as you described.  They said the bar was made of mahogany and
was awesome.  But that room was converted to a guest room.  Now the
"plywood" bar is in the main lobby.  You will indeed have to investigate.

Betty, Larry, Queen LaTina, and Lisa:   The Hearthside just had their
parking lot paved.  Looks good.  It was dug up this winter because of a
water main leak.

    --bonniev

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>It once snowed over 9 inches in Austin.
>--
>Richard     predict often, don't keep records

Man!  That would be up to Karen's armpits!


    --bonniev

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On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>>Duh.

> It once snowed over 9 inches in Austin.

> ...and there's already been a named
> tropical storm, the earliest EVER.

> This could be THE YEAR.

Why would I have to go out in it?

Karen

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> ...and there's already been a named
> tropical storm, the earliest EVER.

Sorry, this is about as accurate as
a prediction by that jackass William
Gray (see .sig).

I have come to learn that Atlantic
storms have formed as early as
January and as late as Decemeber
(well, *that* just about covers
it, no?).

But Ana *definitely* was a freak.

--
Richard     predict often, don't keep records

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>
>It just dawned on me that one can watch the cruise ships disgorge their
>hordes on the geddy cam:    http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html
>

Be nice to the cruisers, Sharon, my mother-in-law and 6 friends are coming
to Bar Harbor via a Norwegian Cruise Lines ship. I think on 5/27/03. Don't
worry, they will not stay long.


Alec

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>Be nice to the cruisers, Sharon, my mother-in-law and 6 friends are coming
>to Bar Harbor via a Norwegian Cruise Lines ship. I think on 5/27/03. Don't
>worry, they will not stay long.
>Alec

Encourage her to get into Acadia National Park and skip the lobster bake!

How's the new house coming along?


    --bonniev

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>>Be nice to the cruisers, Sharon, my mother-in-law and 6
>friends are coming
>>to Bar Harbor via a Norwegian Cruise Lines ship. I think on
>5/27/03. Don't
>>worry, they will not stay long.
>>Alec
>
>Encourage her to get into Acadia National Park and skip the
>lobster bake!
>
>How's the new house coming along?
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

We are busy packing. We also had to get a Refrigerator. Luckily, Sears had a
refrigerator sale. We found a nice basic Maytag. Otherwise busy with little
stuff, like two sets of bills for a few weeks.


Alec

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We are busy packing. We also had to get a Refrigerator. Luckily, Sears had a
>refrigerator sale. We found a nice basic Maytag. Otherwise busy with little
>stuff, like two sets of bills for a few weeks.
>
>
>Alec

Did you purchase the extended warranty?

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:06 PM
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>
>We are busy packing. We also had to get a Refrigerator.
>Luckily, Sears had a
>>refrigerator sale. We found a nice basic Maytag. Otherwise
>busy with little
>>stuff, like two sets of bills for a few weeks.
>>
>>
>>Alec
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>Did you purchase the extended warranty?
>

Yes!

Yay!



alec

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On Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:30, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html

Give me a break... the -age suffix is a Buffy thing? Have these guys
never heard of the Hacker's Dictionary?

Tony H.

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When we were discussing racial ratios in police departments the other
night, I sent e-mail to my friend in Japan whose son works for the
police dept here.  Here's her answer:

>  William happened to call me last night; so I posed your question to
> him.  He said that Blacks make up about 95% of those in the highest offices
> in the police department--in just the regular force, the ratio between
> whites and blacks is about 50,50.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> What did I miss?

Strawberries.

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bonniev wrote:

> show.  He and Richard Hatch had such a strong alliance (even though the
> elderly Navy seal knew his buddies would give him heck for being friends
> with a gay man),

Oh yes.  I remember him -- tall, gangly, gray-headed?

> Jerri was a young bosomy, annoying, Texas woman (bartender I think) from
> the second or third series.

That name sounds familiar.  And I have a vaguely negative association
with it.  But I can't muster up a clear memory of her.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 3:56:44 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Jerri was a young bosomy, annoying, Texas woman (bartender I think) from
>> the second or third series.

> That name sounds familiar.  And I have a vaguely negative association
> with it.  But I can't muster up a clear memory of her.

This is supposed to be a 'favorites' show. I heard either Jeff or the
producer talking about this a long time ago and he said that he wanted
to include the Survivors that were perceived as popular favorites,
whether they won or not.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 3:49:35 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:30, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>> http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html

> Give me a break... the -age suffix is a Buffy thing? Have these guys
> never heard of the Hacker's Dictionary?

No, the *popularization* of the term, not the origination. (But I
agree that this is arguable.)

* Xander: "First I had a thought, then I had a plan, now I have the wiggins."
I didn't realize he had my nephews' cat...



Karen

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02003-05-20 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:30, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> > http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html
>
> Give me a break... the -age suffix is a Buffy thing? Have these guys
> never heard of the Hacker's Dictionary?

Hm. Good point. I guess it had a limited circulation before, and
it entered the mainstream after it was introduced to the world on
Buffy.

Get out much?

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-05-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 3:49:35 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> > On Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:30, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >> http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2549046p-2366485c.html
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> > Give me a break... the -age suffix is a Buffy thing? Have these guys
> > never heard of the Hacker's Dictionary?
>
> No, the *popularization* of the term, not the origination. (But I
> agree that this is arguable.)

Thank you, K-R-N. We could split our Ph.D., but I am anyway nearing
completion on another one: "Staff Writing". It's about staff writers
as custodians of language. For instance:

`Every week for the last six years, millions of devoted viewers of
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" have set aside an hour to watch ...'

About eight prefabricated turns of phrase in the first sentence--
that's some serious staff writing.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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bonniev wrote:

>> When did Rita get tall?~!
>> Karen
>
>
> What!!?  Rita's not tall?????  Next thing you'll be telling me she isn't
> cute either.


        I'm barely taller than Karen.  Less cute than Marie and Lisa.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 4:15:39 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> About eight prefabricated turns of phrase in the first sentence--
> that's some serious staff writing.

More creative than technical writing...

Karen

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I'm glad I decided to turn on the electric teevee to watch Dan Rather at
5:30.  It was worth it to get to see the video of the part-time monk
racing up and wresting the gun away from the arrestee, who had wrested
it away from the arresting policewoman, and especially to get to watch
the fat woman lie down on top of the arrestee and subdue him.  Did any
of y'all see that?
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Hey, Bradykins -- You should visit Tupelo on June 7 and see "Blue Suede
Shoes in the Hood," a new film about the influence of Shakerag on Elvis:

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/comments.php?id=778_0_1_0_C

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>>What!!?  Rita's not tall?????  Next thing you'll be telling me she isn't
>>cute either.
>
>
>        I'm barely taller than Karen.  Less cute than Marie and Lisa.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Shit.  I'm glad you admitted this before you arrived at my door.  I guess I
was going by that picture of you with the dog.  You looked leggy and
lovely.  Really.  You post tall and cute.


    --bonniev

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--On Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:55 PM -0400 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> They said the bar was made of mahogany and
> was awesome.

That is definitely the word!


But that room was converted to a guest room.  Now the
> "plywood" bar is in the main lobby.  You will indeed have to investigate.

Ick.  They probably sold off the good stuff. Sometimes it is best not to go
back and just enjoy the memories.  Plywood, indeed.

Terry

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>Ick.  They probably sold off the good stuff. Sometimes it is best not to go
>back and just enjoy the memories.  Plywood, indeed.
>Terry

Maybe they moved the mahogany bar to their other hotel, Balance Rock.  I
don't know much about that place.  Should check the web page.


    --bonniev

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FROM THE DESK OF: MR MARTINS EWA
REPLY TO : martinsewa@zwallet.com

Good day,

I am MR MARTINS EWA, head of the accounts/operations dept. of one of the leading merchant banks in Nigeria..I have an urgent and very confidential business proposition for you.

On December 8, 1998, an American Oil consultant/contractor with the
Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, Mrs.Ann Barbara Myers made a
numbered time (Fixed) Deposit for twelve calendar months, valued at
US$25,000,000.00(Twenty-five Million Dollars) in my branch.Upon
maturity, I sent a routine notification to her forwarding address but
got no reply.After a month,we sent a reminder and finally we
discovered from her contract employers, the Nigerian National
Petroleum Corporation that Mrs.Ann
Barbara Myers died from a ghastly automobile accident.On further
investigation,I found out that she died without making a WILL, and
all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless.

I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mrs.Ann
Barbara Myers did not declare any next of kin or relations in all her
official documents, including her Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank.
This sum of US$25,000,000.00
is still sitting in my Bank and the interest is being rolled over
with the principal sum at the end of each year.No one will ever come
forward to claim it.According to Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5
(five) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian
Government if nobody applies to claim this fund.

Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a foriegner to
stand in as the next of kin to Mrs.Ann Barbara Myers so that the
fruits of this woman's labor will not get into the hands of some
corrupt government officials.This is simple, I will like you to
provide immediately your full names and address so that the Attorney
will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits which will put
you in place as the next of kin.
We shall employ the services of two Attorneys for drafting and
notarization of the WILL and to obtain the necessary
documents and letter of probate/administration in your favor for the
transfer.

We would need you as a Foreigner acting as the next of kin and sole
benefactor to the inheritance of Mrs.Ann Barbara Myers to travel and
claim this money in a SECURITY COMPANY based in Europe which is used
by my bank as an offshore payment center to the bank.The money will
be paid to you for us to share in the ratio of 60% for me and 40% for
you.
There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction
will be done by the Attorney and my position as the Branch Manager
guarantees the successful execution of this transaction.

If you are interested, please reply immediately via the private
email address below. Upon your response, I shall then provide you
with more details and relevant documents that will help you
understand the transaction.

Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest assured that this
transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall
require your assistance to invest my share in your country.

Awaiting your urgent reply via my email: martinsewa@zwallet.com
Thanks and regards.

MR MARTINS EWA

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> there was a rap group named 10-Base T.  Either you get it or you
> don't.

Damn it! I don't.

Marie

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> Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The
> Botany of
> Desire_.

I'm all over it. I've heard of it, but your brief description convinces me it's my kind of book.

Marie

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On Tue, 20 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I'm glad I decided to turn on the electric teevee to watch Dan Rather at
>5:30.  It was worth it to get to see the video of the part-time monk
>racing up and wresting the gun away from the arrestee, who had wrested
>it away from the arresting policewoman, and especially to get to watch
>the fat woman lie down on top of the arrestee and subdue him.  Did any
>of y'all see that?

In what part of the universe did these events occur? And why was Mr.
Rather talking about them at 5:30? Oh - I suppose you get nat'l news then.
That's much too early for me.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

>>> What!!?  Rita's not tall?????  Next thing you'll be telling me she isn't
>>> cute either.
>>
>>
>>
>>        I'm barely taller than Karen.  Less cute than Marie and Lisa.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Shit.  I'm glad you admitted this before you arrived at my door.  I guess I
> was going by that picture of you with the dog.  You looked leggy and
> lovely.  Really.  You post tall and cute.


        LOL.  Thanks. It's nice to be thought of that way.  Ana's the
cute one.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> > Thanks!
> >
> > The book sounds interesting; I think I'll buy it.
>
> What she said! Thanks, Bethany.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

I was more impressed with the sidebar story about the guy in the Athens airport who gouged his own eyes out to protest his arrest.

Marie

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Are there fireworks in Bar Harbor tonight?

http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html

Marie

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> >  And he's shown me how to handle
> >garlic much better than the way I was doing it.
>
> Yes.  Especially his point of not starting out with garlic, but
> adding it a
> bit later or with other ingredients.

Emeril is good with that AND actually, probably the most important thing he ever showed me was how to easily peel garlic by lightly cracking it with a knife. Once you do that the skin just falls off once you cut the ends.

He has his moments.

Marie

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>Are there fireworks in Bar Harbor tonight?
>
>http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html
>Marie

No, that's just the street lights and the white lights strung around the
lobster claws on the front of the building.  There was a rather nice
sunset, though.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>> Are there fireworks in Bar Harbor tonight?
>>
>> http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html
>> Marie
>
>
> No, that's just the street lights and the white lights strung around the
> lobster claws on the front of the building.  There was a rather nice
> sunset, though.


        The virtual tour is cool.  The picture of the harbor looks
just like I remember -- I could almost smell it.  Thanks for
the brochures, btw.  Ana put one in her backpack and has
been poring over it for days during her free time at school.

        I taught a a couple of the New England chapters of _Blue
Highways_ last week to my remedials, and my teaching partner
was totally hooked -- she's planning to vacation in New
England this July.  She remarked that those rentals on
Martha's Vinyard were a little pricey LOL.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Maybe they moved the mahogany bar to their other hotel, Balance Rock.  I
> don't know much about that place.  Should check the web page.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I took a look at their Veranda Bar.  It isn't a very good picture for
looking at bar tops.  It could be the one.  Of course it is on a different
base.  This may be more fun to explore.

Terry

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I start a new contract Thursday, but it's only 2.5 weeks (with the
opportunity of a return engagement at more money if I'm successful).
I'm also working on more corporate training stuff. This time it's
communication.

Hm. I wonder if I can work in blogs and wikis...

Anyway, the timeline on the corporate training stuff is so far out
that it hardly works out to any money.

Karen

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Knowing that I recently saw such a recipe, and having taken note since I had a delicious strawberry spinach salad at a friend's party last summer and another such salad at a tavern, and being that the subject came up here recently, I went back in search oand found two recipes -- one in "Main Line Classics II: Cooking Up A Little History" from the Junior Saturday Club of Wayne (PA) -- isn't that where you Alec lives? -- the other in a Weight Watchers Cookbook.
After a perusal, I decided to post the Main Line Classics one because the other one had goat cheese in it and I didn't want cheese in it. And this may approximate better the taste I was remembering, a sorta savory sweet sesamapoppy irresistable give me a little more thing.

Strawberry Spinach Salad

1/3 cup vegetable oil
1/2 cup cider vinegar
1/3 cup sugar
1 small onion, finely chopped
1/4 tsp Worcestershire sauce
1/4 tst each paprika and salt
2 Tbsp sesame seeds
1 Tbsp poppy seeds
1 12 oz pkg fresh spinach, torn
2 cups fresh strawberries, sliced

Combine oil, vinegar, sugar, onion. Worcestershire sauce, paprika and salt in a blender container. Process until smooth. Stir in sesame and poppy seeds.

Rinse spinach; pat dry. Combine with strawberries in large salad bowl. Add dressing; toss lightly.

8 servings.

Bam!

Marie

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> > >  And he's shown me how to handle
> > >garlic much better than the way I was doing it.
> >
> > Yes.  Especially his point of not starting out with garlic, but
> > adding it a
> > bit later or with other ingredients.
>
> Emeril is good with that AND actually, probably the most
> important thing he ever showed me was how to easily peel garlic
> by lightly cracking it with a knife. Once you do that the skin
> just falls off once you cut the ends.
>
> He has his moments.
>
> Marie

But garlic has been used in cooking for centuries. Why does he get
*applauded* for using it. I just don't think any cooking show really needs
an audience.

Sandra

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In a message dated 05/20/2003 8:55:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I start a new contract Thursday, but it's only 2.5 weeks (with the
opportunity of a return engagement at more money if I'm successful).

>>

I hope that things work out!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 8:58:50 PM, sandra wrote:
> I just don't think any cooking show really needs
> an audience.

Who wants to cook for a TV camera?!

Karen

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> Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The
> Botany of
> Desire_.

I just ordered it. Along with a book about Spain. I think it's time for me to start getting excited about that trip. It's a little weird having not made any of the plans myself.

We're not going to Morocco for the obvious reasons.

Marie

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:01:21 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 05/20/2003 8:55:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> I start a new contract Thursday, but it's only 2.5 weeks (with the
> opportunity of a return engagement at more money if I'm successful).

>>>

> I hope that things work out!

Thanks. It's likely to, but I doubt it will turn into a full-time
job.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:03:28 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The
>> Botany of
>> Desire_.

> I just ordered it.

It was a book club book, and I ended up not being able to read it.
Though I like hearing Pollan talk. I don't know what the problem was.

> We're not going to Morocco for the obvious reasons.

:(

Karen

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Friends, 

My new book is being shipped to those who've ordered it -- if you haven't reserved your copy yet, you can get it through amazon.com at a 30% discount.   Buy two, and get free shipping :)  

Pre-publication, the amazon sales ranking has gone from a million-nine-something to a million-two-something ("one" being the top seller).   I have no idea how many copies that represents, of course, but it's fun to watch the numbers.

For those who'd like an autographed copy, but don't want to go to the expense of shipping the book to me (and paying for return postage), you can send me a sticky label and I'll sign that so you can put it in the book.  I'll add a brief personalized  phrase or sentence as you request, as long as it's not too raw.  

-- Bayla 

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 8:58:17 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> After a perusal, I decided to post the Main Line Classics one
> because the other one had goat cheese in it and I didn't want cheese
> in it. And this may approximate better the taste I was remembering,
> a sorta savory sweet sesamapoppy irresistable give me a little more
> thing.

And one can always add goat cheese. Thanks for posting this, it sounds
yummy.

My cat is helping me barbecue. She inspected the meat (which I thought
was pork, but now looks like beef and I didn't label it), and is
keeping watch by the door to make sure it doesn't come back in the
house without her knowing it.

Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>Hm. I wonder if I can work in blogs and wikis...

Sync up with Adina.  We're selling 'em now.

Good story in the New York Times yesterday about wikis and Socialtext:
<http://tinyurl.com/c6on> using Google's login, or if you've want to use
your own: <http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/19/technology/19NECO.html>.

Pete

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:09:42 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,
>>Hm. I wonder if I can work in blogs and wikis...

> Sync up with Adina.  We're selling 'em now.

:)

> Good story in the New York Times yesterday about wikis and Socialtext:

Kewl!

> <http://tinyurl.com/c6on> using Google's login, or if you've want to use
> your own: <http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/19/technology/19NECO.html>.

Karen

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> But garlic has been used in cooking for centuries. Why does he get
> *applauded* for using it.

GAHHH-LIC! Bam! Wahoo!

I agree.

But I did eat at his restaurant in New Orleans (Emeril's) and found the crawfish corn gumbo out of this world. I actually don't remember what I had as an entree but *uc* had the barbecue shrimp and loved them (and know that he lived in New Orleans for a couple of years).

Which reminds me, we're going to see the Radiators right here in town -- on the river -- next weekend (with Martin Sexton, Branford Marsalis, and Medeski Martin & Wood) http://www.terrapinpresents.net/SummerConcertSeries/croton.html which is pretty exciting for us  -- good live music being a little hard to come by round these parts.

Oh, one more thought -- I would love to see Karen cook on camera.

Marie
I just don't think any cooking show
> really needs
> an audience.
>
> Sandra
>

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Hi Bayla!!

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Bayla Singer <bayla2@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:59 pm
Subject: "Like Sex With Gods: an unorthodox history of flying"

> Friends,
>
> My new book is being shipped to those who've ordered it -- if you
> haven't reserved your copy yet, you can get it through amazon.com
> at a 30% discount.   Buy two, and get free shipping :)
>
> Pre-publication, the amazon sales ranking has gone from a million-
> nine-something to a million-two-something ("one" being the top
> seller).   I have no idea how many copies that represents, of
> course, but it's fun to watch the numbers.
>
> For those who'd like an autographed copy, but don't want to go to
> the expense of shipping the book to me (and paying for return
> postage), you can send me a sticky label and I'll sign that so you
> can put it in the book.  I'll add a brief personalized  phrase or
> sentence as you request, as long as it's not too raw.
>
> -- Bayla
>

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I just watched "The Graduate" (on tv) for the first time in years.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I'm glad I decided to turn on the electric teevee to watch Dan Rather at
> >5:30.  It was worth it to get to see the video of the part-time monk
> >racing up and wresting the gun away from the arrestee, who had wrested
> >it away from the arresting policewoman, and especially to get to watch
> >the fat woman lie down on top of the arrestee and subdue him.  Did any
> >of y'all see that?
>
> In what part of the universe did these events occur?

Texas.  I've forgotten the name of the small town -- started with L, I
think -- something like Lindstrom.

> And why was Mr.
> Rather talking about them at 5:30? Oh - I suppose you get nat'l news then.
> That's much too early for me.

Everything is too late in eastern time.  Like I wouldn't have watched
"The Graduate" there since it would've lasted until 10:15 instead of
9:15.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> Are there fireworks in Bar Harbor tonight?
>
> http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html

It says 5 p.m.  How often does it change?

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:09:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Oh, one more thought -- I would love to see Karen cook on camera.

Why?!

Karen

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On Tue, 20 May 2003, Bayla Singer wrote:

>My new book is being shipped to those who've ordered it -- if you
haven't reserved your copy yet, you can get it through amazon.com at a
30% discount.   Buy two, and get free shipping :)

Thanks. And congratulations! I shall order two - one for me, one as a gift
for my Spiritual Director (a retired Episcopal priest). I shall want both
autographed, and I am willing to pay the back and forth postage - or may I
just have them both shipped to you, Bayla? You could autograph, then ship
to me - I will send you a check for postage. Okay? Tell me where to have
them shipped if that's okay.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: Is Emeril an Idiot

> Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:09:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Oh, one more thought -- I would love to see Karen cook on camera.
>
> Why?!

I imagine it gets really messy and crazy. I think it might make good reality TV.

Marie

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:28:13 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:26 pm
> Subject: Re: Is Emeril an Idiot

>> Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:09:39 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > Oh, one more thought -- I would love to see Karen cook on camera.
>>
>> Why?!

> I imagine it gets really messy and crazy.

No more than normal people!

I miss cooking with Ligniere.

>  I think it might make good reality TV.

Oh.

Well, that's true. Especially when the recipe is in a foreign language
and you discover a required ingredient that you don't have and wasn't
in the list of ingredients, so you have to substitute *something*.

Karen

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On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I imagine it gets really messy and crazy. I think it might make good reality TV.

Maybe I'll put a pay-per-view webcam in my kitchen...

Karen

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I love Jim Thome!

(I never ceased loving the guys in red pinstripes. I know you guys think I am fickle)

Marie

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> > I imagine it gets really messy and crazy.
>
> No more than normal people!

Sorry I don't know any normal people, only phreekes.
>
> I miss cooking with Ligniere.

:-(  Where'd he go? (sorry, sometimes I disappear and miss important things)

Marie

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> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I imagine it gets really messy and crazy. I think it might make
> good reality TV.
>
> Maybe I'll put a pay-per-view webcam in my kitchen...

Cooking Naked with Karen!

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:34:55 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > I imagine it gets really messy and crazy.
>>
>> No more than normal people!

> Sorry I don't know any normal people, only phreekes.

LOL. I'm probably a neater cook than the avg phreeke.

>> I miss cooking with Ligniere.

> :-(  Where'd he go? (sorry, sometimes I disappear and miss important things)

He imploded, I guess. It's like Evelyn's Kathie story, and I'm
clue-free.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 9:37:23 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > I imagine it gets really messy and crazy. I think it might make
>> good reality TV.
>>
>> Maybe I'll put a pay-per-view webcam in my kitchen...

> Cooking Naked with Karen!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................................................

Karen

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"ChevronTexaco announced yesterday that it would withdraw its support from
the Metropolitan Opera's Saturday afternoon live radio broadcasts after
the 2003-4 season, ending the longest continuous commercial sponsorship in
broadcast history." [since Xmas Day 1931]

!

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/21/arts/21CHEV.html

Bethany

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Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
in more than one way?

Karen

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No avocado?

At 09:58 PM 5/20/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>Knowing that I recently saw such a recipe, and having taken note since I
>had a delicious strawberry spinach salad at a friend's party last summer
>and another such salad at a tavern, and being that the subject came up
>here recently, I went back in search oand found two recipes -- one in
>"Main Line Classics II: Cooking Up A Little History" from the Junior
>Saturday Club of Wayne (PA) -- isn't that where you Alec lives? -- the
>other in a Weight Watchers Cookbook.
>After a perusal, I decided to post the Main Line Classics one because the
>other one had goat cheese in it and I didn't want cheese in it. And this
>may approximate better the taste I was remembering, a sorta savory sweet
>sesamapoppy irresistable give me a little more thing.
>
>Strawberry Spinach Salad
>
>1/3 cup vegetable oil
>1/2 cup cider vinegar
>1/3 cup sugar
>1 small onion, finely chopped
>1/4 tsp Worcestershire sauce
>1/4 tst each paprika and salt
>2 Tbsp sesame seeds
>1 Tbsp poppy seeds
>1 12 oz pkg fresh spinach, torn
>2 cups fresh strawberries, sliced
>
>Combine oil, vinegar, sugar, onion. Worcestershire sauce, paprika and salt
>in a blender container. Process until smooth. Stir in sesame and poppy seeds.
>
>Rinse spinach; pat dry. Combine with strawberries in large salad bowl. Add
>dressing; toss lightly.
>
>8 servings.
>
>Bam!
>
>Marie

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I am having a fascinating time reading through "Monippally: Business
Comunication Strategies" published by Tata Mc Graw-Hill, New Delhi. A
bunch of this is available at
http://www.tatamcgrawhill.com/digital_solutions/monippally/Instructor/30File.pdf

The exercise below is typical:

"Study the following situation and answer the questions on it. What would a typical Indian
do? What would a typical Westerner do? Why so? Please go by your instinct and make a
quick choice. This is not a test of your ability, knowledge, or moral values. It merely seeks
to identity certain perceptions. There is no correct answer. Besides, what a typical Indian
does is not necessarily what you would do in this context.
Once you have made a choice, share it and your justification with your group. See if you
can arrive at a consensus.
Ms JK runs an advertising agency. She signed a contract with Mr ABC, an internationally
known expert on motivating employees. According to the contract she would organize a
two-day training programme with him as the expert faculty. She would pay him Rs
100,000 plus 50 per cent of the net income.
Totally contrary to her expectations and in spite of vigorous marketing, very few people
registered for the programme. The net income she got was just Rs 82,000 against a
projected net income of Rs 250,000-Rs 350,000.
A. Which of the following would Ms JK do if she were a typical Indian?
Which of the following would Ms JK do if she were a typical Westerner?
1. Explain the situation and ask Mr ABC to be content with Rs 41,000, that is, 50%
of the actual net income.
2. Explain the situation and ask Mr ABC to be content with Rs 82,000, the entire net
income, but well short of the guaranteed minimum.
3. Borrow funds and pay up Rs 141,000, the guaranteed minimum. Tough luck!
B. Which of the following would Mr ABC do if he were a typical Indian?
Which of the following would Mr ABC do if he were a typical Westerner?
1. Ignore the contract and take Rs 41,000, i.e. 50 per cent of the actual net income.
2. Ignore the contract and take Rs 82,000, the entire net income
3. Insist on and get Rs 141,000, the minimum Ms JK is legally bound to give."

I have no idea what the answers are.

Karen

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20:41 20.05.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > The book sounds interesting; I think I'll buy it.
>>
>> What she said! Thanks, Bethany.
>>
>> --Adam
>> adamh1@attbi.com
>
>I was more impressed with the sidebar story about the guy in the Athens airport who gouged his own eyes out to protest his arrest.

At first I thought this was the Athens where I am going next Tuesday, but then I saw that it was the Athens where I am going in September. I hope things are quiet by then.

Espen

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21:59 20.05.2003 -0400 skrev Bayla Singer:
>Friends,
>
>My new book is being shipped to those who've ordered it -- if you haven't reserved your copy yet, you can get it through amazon.com at a 30% discount.   Buy two, and get free shipping :)

I will be looking in my mailbox every day.

Espen

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>> there was a rap group named 10-Base T.  Either you get it or you
>> don't.
>
>Damn it! I don't.
>
>Marie

No Geek Points for you, young lady!

10BaseT is the IEEE 802.3 specification for 10 megabyte per second
ethernet.  Chances are overwhelming that your computer at your workplace
connects to a network that mostly communicates using 100BaseT (100 megabits
per second ethernet, IEEE 802.3u), but it may have a lot of installed hubs
that are still using 10BaseT, and, back in 1995, 10BaseT networks were what
network technicians were busily installing in just about every educational
and/or nonprofit institution.

I'm still waiting for a rapper who calls himself RJ-45.  (That's the name
of the specification for the 8-pin telephone-plug-like connector that is
most commonly used for connecting computing equipment to ethernet.  I say
"telephone-plug-like" because, if your telephone is standard, it uses an
RJ-11 6-pin connector.  Am I geek enough yet?)

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
Babbage Engine Works

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>>the techniques plants use to manipulate us into propagating them.
>
>Karen can have her irrational fears of
>marauding snowbanks; I'll be creeping
>out on images of manipulative plants.
>
>--
>Richard     predict often, don't keep records

Who among us has not been a fool for love?  Birds do it, bees do it...

Pollan's inspiration for the book came from a moment when he was in his
garden planting potatoes, and he noticed some bees nearby pollinating his
trees, and he had the realization that, at that moment, he was performing
exactly the same service for the potatoes that the bees were providing for
the trees (i.e., propagating the plants' genes), and for analogous reasons.

Ken Miller
Darwin School of Biological Adaptation

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On Tue, 20 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Everything is too late in eastern time.  Like I wouldn't have watched
>"The Graduate" there since it would've lasted until 10:15 instead of
>9:15.

Too early where you are. I would always miss nat'l news. I like to leave
my office between 4:30-6. If I am going to the barn, I try to leave before 5
- but it's still at least 6:30-7 before I get home.

bethany

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>> Jerri was a young bosomy, annoying, Texas woman (bartender I think) from
>> the second or third series.
>
>That name sounds familiar.  And I have a vaguely negative association
>with it.  But I can't muster up a clear memory of her.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Jerri, the tacky scheming manipulative bitch who thought she could turn
Colby to the Dark Side of the Force?  Surely you remember her!

Ken Miller
Richard Hatch School of Social Studies

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On Tue, 20 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I start a new contract Thursday, but it's only 2.5 weeks (with the
> opportunity of a return engagement at more money if I'm successful).
> I'm also working on more corporate training stuff. This time it's
> communication.
>

Congrats in the short term, and hope it signals a trend.

clo

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>> Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The
>> Botany of
>> Desire_.
>
>I'm all over it. I've heard of it, but your brief description convinces me
>it's my kind of book.
>
>Marie

Absolutely.  My one criticism is that after the introduction and
exposition, the first section wanders off course a bit, so much so that I
nearly stopped reading the book.  If you find yourself in similar
circumstances, skip to the next section, which has a lot of interesting
stuff about tulips (or, perhaps, you might be more interested in the third
section, which focuses on marijuana).

(I notice that its MARC record contains a 650 tag with the content
"Human-plant relationships".  Is that heading really in LCSH?)

Ken Miller
Department of Memeological Selection

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 10:56:02 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> I start a new contract Thursday, but it's only 2.5 weeks (with the
>> opportunity of a return engagement at more money if I'm successful).
>> I'm also working on more corporate training stuff. This time it's
>> communication.
>>

> Congrats in the short term, and hope it signals a trend.

>From your fingers to God's ears....

Karen

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:22:07 PM, Bookrat wrote:
> Absolutely.  My one criticism is that after the introduction and
> exposition, the first section wanders off course a bit, so much so that I
> nearly stopped reading the book.  If you find yourself in similar
> circumstances, skip to the next section, which has a lot of interesting
> stuff about tulips (or, perhaps, you might be more interested in the third
> section, which focuses on marijuana).

Aha! This is where I went awry.

Karen

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>
> Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
> in more than one way?
>
> Karen

Involving punctuation?

The Director said the Producer was incompetent.

The Director, said the Producer, was incompetent.

something like that?

Sandra

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:42:01 PM, sandra wrote:

>>
>> Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
>> in more than one way?
>>
>> Karen

> Involving punctuation?

No, where the words themselves could be interpreted in more than one
way. Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example.

> The Director said the Producer was incompetent.

> The Director, said the Producer, was incompetent.

> something like that?

> Sandra



Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>No, where the words themselves could be interpreted in more than one
>way. Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example.

Kinda like "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana,"
except in one clause, not two?

Pete

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>Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
>in more than one way?
>
>Karen

Well, you could thumb through the collected works of Richard Lederer.  Or
you could just google on "ambiguous sentences".

Then there's the canonical vaudeville routine:

Q: Would you hit a lady with a child?

A: No, I'd hit her with a brick!

Ken Miller
Partridge School of Gentle Arts

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In a message dated 05/20/2003 9:39:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
He imploded, I guess. It's like Evelyn's Kathie story, and I'm
clue-free.

>>

I'm sorry, Karen.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Bayla Singer wrote:

> For those who'd like an autographed copy, but don't want to go to the expense of shipping the book to me (and paying for return postage), you can send me a sticky label and I'll sign that so you can put it in the book.  I'll add a brief personalized  phrase or sentence as you request, as long as it's not too raw.

No sticky label for me!  I want it written in the book itself.  Will
mail it to you.  (What you should do is come to AcadiaFest and do a
signing there.)  Did you know, btw, that Amazon says people interested
in your book are likely to be interested also in _HorsepowerFreaks,
Inc_?

My real Bayla plant (as opposed to the one I mistakenly thought for
several years was the Bayla plant -- it's also doing fine, though) is
thriving.  Both of its pieces are getting bigger and bigger, one in this
room, one in another room.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> "ChevronTexaco announced yesterday that it would withdraw its support from
> the Metropolitan Opera's Saturday afternoon live radio broadcasts after

That has already happened with the Chicago Lyric Opera, which used to be
the off-season substitute for the Met.  Its sponsor(s) pulled out, and
now NPR offers some kind of foreign opera stuff in that slot.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
> in more than one way?

Do you smoke after sex?

That one pops into my mind because I remember the awkwardness of trying
to explain it to a visiting Chinese scholar who was taking my Intro to
Linguistics course many years ago.  That sentence was in a long-ago
edition of Fromkin.

Do you prefer syntactic or semantic ambiguity?  I can send tons of
either (many of them being combinations, of course).

One I've always liked is this one:
The sheepdog was too hairy to eat.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Karen Kay writes,
>
>> Hm. I wonder if I can work in blogs and wikis...
>
>
> Sync up with Adina.  We're selling 'em now.
>
> Good story in the New York Times yesterday about wikis and Socialtext:
> <http://tinyurl.com/c6on> using Google's login, or if you've want to use
> your own: <http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/19/technology/19NECO.html>.


        I might use a blog for my "homework hotline" next year.  The
disadvantage is that the kids couldn't access it from school
because of our nanny software, but then again, if they're in
school, they can just waltz up to 219 and look at the
assignment board.



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Bookrat wrote:

> Jerri, the tacky scheming manipulative bitch who thought she could turn
> Colby to the Dark Side of the Force?  Surely you remember her!

This is sounding familiar.  She and Colby were seemingly become a
<couple> for a while, right?

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Are electric screwdrivers expensive?  I've become convinced that I've
lived much too long without one.  Hmm.  Are they really electric?  I'm
sure I've seen people use them without plugging them in.  Do they have
batteries, or what?

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At 08:57 PM 5/20/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:

>Pollan's inspiration for the book came from a moment when he was in his
>garden planting potatoes, and he noticed some bees nearby pollinating his
>trees, and he had the realization that, at that moment, he was performing
>exactly the same service for the potatoes that the bees were providing for
>the trees (i.e., propagating the plants' genes), and for analogous reasons.

The organism is DNA's way of making more DNA.
                       ---adapted from the writings of many students of
evolution

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Natalie Maynor:
= Are electric screwdrivers expensive?  I've become convinced that I've
= lived much too long without one.  Hmm.  Are they really electric?  I'm
= sure I've seen people use them without plugging them in.  Do they have
= batteries, or what?
=

We just use our cordless drill with a screwdriver bit on the end.
Yes they have batteries.  Ours has a separate base that the
battery needs to be in while it's being recharged.  This has the
disadvantage that you cannot use it when the battery is dead.  I
don't remember why we got this one, but I much prefer the battery
charging system that Pat's cordless beard trimmer uses.  If its
batteries are dead then you can just plug it in and use it
plugged in while the batteries are charging (my mobile phone
works this way too).  Anyway, most of the reason that we don't
have a separate cordless screwdriver is because we needed the
drill anyway, and most of the time that we're drilling something
we're screwing something in right after that.

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> Natalie Maynor:
> = Are electric screwdrivers expensive?  I've become convinced that
> I've= lived much too long without one.  Hmm.  Are they really
> electric?  I'm
> = sure I've seen people use them without plugging them in.  Do
> they have
> = batteries, or what?
>
> We just use our cordless drill with a screwdriver bit on the end.
> Yes they have batteries.  Ours has a separate base that the
> battery needs to be in while it's being recharged.

We (I) have both. Sometimes the screwdriver is just more convenient -- smaller, and more able to get into tight spaces. The screwdriver cost something like $14.95. I would say well worth it.

Marie

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>Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
>in more than one way?

Flying plans can be dangerous.

Bethany

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At 08:34 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
> >in more than one way?
>
>Flying plans can be dangerous.

ambiguous, no;  nonsensical, yes.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:55:41 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen Kay writes,

>>No, where the words themselves could be interpreted in more than one
>>way. Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example.

> Kinda like "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana,"
> except in one clause, not two?

LOL. Yes! Exactly. Actually, 'fruit flies like a banana' is
theoretically ambiguous on its own.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 5:56:57 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Do you smoke after sex?

Can't mention sex.

> That one pops into my mind because I remember the awkwardness of trying
> to explain it to a visiting Chinese scholar who was taking my Intro to
> Linguistics course many years ago.  That sentence was in a long-ago
> edition of Fromkin.

> Do you prefer syntactic or semantic ambiguity?  I can send tons of
> either (many of them being combinations, of course).

> One I've always liked is this one:
> The sheepdog was too hairy to eat.

This is a good one.

I think semantic ambiguity is what I'm looking for.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 6:06:56 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Are electric screwdrivers expensive?

I think so. They are about $10.

> I've become convinced that I've lived much too long without one.
> Hmm. Are they really electric? I'm sure I've seen people use them
> without plugging them in. Do they have batteries, or what?

I use my drill, which is rechargeable.

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:55:41 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
= > Karen Kay writes,
=
= >>No, where the words themselves could be interpreted in more than one
= >>way. Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example.
=
= > Kinda like "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana,"
= > except in one clause, not two?
=
= LOL. Yes! Exactly. Actually, 'fruit flies like a banana' is
= theoretically ambiguous on its own.
=
= Karen

I don't know why, but it took me the longest time to get this. My
old boyfriend/housemate Zeph used to say this all the time, and
it probably took me something like six months to grok the damn
thing.  What does this mean?  What does it mean that it still
stands out after almost 20 years?

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steph wrote:

> We just use our cordless drill with a screwdriver bit on the end.

Is it easy to find screwdriver bits for a drill?  Do you have to buy one
for your specific brand of drill, or do all drills take the same bits?
I don't remember what brand mine is.  (Mine isn't cordless, but that's
not a problem.  I have extension cords.)

Meanwhile, a neighbor told me a little while ago to use sheetrock screws
-- that they're much easier to screw.  He gave me a couple and told me
where to buy a bunch.  I tried one of the ones he gave me and did find
it easier than a regular screw -- as in I managed to at least nick the
wood.  But I still can't get it to go very far in.  I think I'll explore
the drill situation.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> The screwdriver cost something like $14.95. I would say well worth it.

I was just at Wmart and looked through that area but didn't see any.  I
might have overlooked them, though, since I was rushing and since I was
eager to try the sheetrock screws my neighbor had given me.  If I can't
find a screwdriver bit for my drill, I will definitely pursue the
electric screwdriver idea.  I might anyway.  Sounds like $15 well spent.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I think semantic ambiguity is what I'm looking for.

He was knocked over by the punch.
The police were urged to stop drinking by the fifth.
I cannot recommend visiting professors too highly.
(from Fromkin & Rodman, 6th ed)
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Here are some that are more structural than semantic, though semantics
gets involved in some of them:

Could this be the invisible man's hair tonic?
Dick finally decided on the boat
The professor's appointment is shocking.
The design has big squares and circles.
The governor is a dirty street fighter. (punctuation would disambiguate)
I cannot recommend him too highly.
They said she would go yesterday.
No smoking section available. (ditto punctuation above)

You can come up with zillions of "The boy saw the man with the
telescope" kind.  I know because I always make students draw two trees
showing the different structures of a sentence of that kind (that
particular sentence being in the book).

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:13:14 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Is it easy to find screwdriver bits for a drill?

Yes--mine came with one.

> Do you have to buy one for your specific brand of drill, or do all
> drills take the same bits?

They should all fit.

> I don't remember what brand mine is.  (Mine isn't cordless, but that's
> not a problem.  I have extension cords.)

Do yourself a favor and buy a cordless one.

> Meanwhile, a neighbor told me a little while ago to use sheetrock screws
> -- that they're much easier to screw.  He gave me a couple and told me
> where to buy a bunch.  I tried one of the ones he gave me and did find
> it easier than a regular screw -- as in I managed to at least nick the
> wood.  But I still can't get it to go very far in.  I think I'll explore
> the drill situation.

Deck screws rule.

What are you screwing?

Karen

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Dare I offer the opinion that Natalie is the Queen of the Ambiguous Sentence [tm] ?

BrP






> Here are some that are more structural than semantic, though semantics
> gets involved in some of them:
>
> Could this be the invisible man's hair tonic?
> Dick finally decided on the boat
> The professor's appointment is shocking.
> The design has big squares and circles.
> The governor is a dirty street fighter. (punctuation would disambiguate)
> I cannot recommend him too highly.
> They said she would go yesterday.
> No smoking section available. (ditto punctuation above)
>
> You can come up with zillions of "The boy saw the man with the
> telescope" kind.  I know because I always make students draw two trees
> showing the different structures of a sentence of that kind (that
> particular sentence being in the book).
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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steph:
>What does this mean?  What does it mean that it
>still stands out after almost 20 years?

Though not eligible for Karen's contest,
"it's hard to wreck a nice beach" has had
a place in my skull for about 20 years.

--
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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:25:45 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Here are some that are more structural than semantic, though semantics
> gets involved in some of them:

> Could this be the invisible man's hair tonic?
> Dick finally decided on the boat
> The professor's appointment is shocking.
> The design has big squares and circles.
> The governor is a dirty street fighter. (punctuation would disambiguate)
> I cannot recommend him too highly.
> They said she would go yesterday.
> No smoking section available. (ditto punctuation above)

Thank you.

> You can come up with zillions of "The boy saw the man with the
> telescope" kind.  I know because I always make students draw two trees
> showing the different structures of a sentence of that kind (that
> particular sentence being in the book).

One can; I can't.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:36:42 AM, again, all around wrote:
> steph:
>>What does this mean?  What does it mean that it
>>still stands out after almost 20 years?

> Though not eligible for Karen's contest,
> "it's hard to wreck a nice beach" has had
> a place in my skull for about 20 years.

Is this ambiguous?

Karen

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> Bookrat wrote:
>
> > Jerri, the tacky scheming manipulative bitch who thought she could turn
> > Colby to the Dark Side of the Force?  Surely you remember her!
>
> This is sounding familiar.  She and Colby were seemingly become a
> <couple> for a while, right?

>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


I think it was a 72-hour heavy duty flirtation at most.

Sandra

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Karen:
> Is this ambiguous?

Only aurally.  'Swhy I said it wasn't
eligible for the fabulous prize you're
going to give to the ambiguousest one.

We used it in g-skul when fooling with
speech recognition.

--
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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:44:19 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen:
>> Is this ambiguous?

> Only aurally.

I still don't get it.

>  'Swhy I said it wasn't
> eligible for the fabulous prize you're
> going to give to the ambiguousest one.

No prize, sorry.

> We used it in g-skul when fooling with
> speech recognition.

I love it when I tell my phone to dial home ("Karen") and it dials
Jim.

Karen

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On Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 8:12, Karen Kay wrote:

> I think semantic ambiguity is what I'm looking for.

He put out the lantern to signal the attack.

Is that syntactic or semantic ambiguity? I seem to remember its being
used in some sort of test that presented a sentence like that, and
biased the interpretation by whispering a word like "illuminate" or
"extinguished" so quietly into one ear that it couldn't be heard
independently.

Tony H.

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Jim:
> I still don't get it.

"It's hard to recognize speech."

>I love it when I tell my phone to dial
>home ("Karen") and it dials Jim.

See?

--
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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Dare I offer the opinion that Natalie is the Queen of the Ambiguous Sentence [tm] ?

Those were from a textbook.  My brain isn't into making up any right now
because it is too engaged in the challenges of screwing.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Is it easy to find screwdriver bits for a drill?
>
> Yes--mine came with one.

I just checked my bit box, and I don't seem to have one.  I tried
drilling a hole and then screwing, but even with that I failed to get it
all the way in, which would mean the blinds would probably wobble.

> > I don't remember what brand mine is.  (Mine isn't cordless, but that's
> > not a problem.  I have extension cords.)
>
> Do yourself a favor and buy a cordless one.

I've never had any reason to want a cordless one.  I'd rather plug
something in than have to mess around with charging batteries.

> Deck screws rule.

Hmm.  I saw those at Wmart while ago.  Didn't see any sheetrock screws,
though.  I'm maybe about to go to Bell's Building Supply and get an
electric screwdriver plus a bunch of sheetrock screws.

> What are you screwing?

Blind brackets.  It would be hard enough even sideways, but these
require screwing straight up.  Screwing up is not fun.  If I fail after
buying the electric screwdriver I'm about to go buy, I will give up and
hire somebody to do it.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:52:53 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Jim:
>> I still don't get it.

> "It's hard to recognize speech."

My Dragon Naturally Speaking does a good job.

>>I love it when I tell my phone to dial
>>home ("Karen") and it dials Jim.

> See?

Why were you doing speech perception?

Karen

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>
> I think semantic ambiguity is what I'm looking for.

Shirley is the senator I want to succeed.

Semantic or syntactic?  Have they decided that yet?

Ann

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> My Dragon Naturally Speaking does a good job.

Is it really faster than typing for most
things?  What kinds of things do you use
it for?

> Why were you doing speech perception?

I was getting a degree with a concentration
in artificial intelligence (remember that
term?), and that was part of the curriculum.

--
Richard     that's already illegal, you idiots

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:26 am
Subject: Re: Electric Screwdrivers

> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 6:06:56 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Are electric screwdrivers expensive?
>
> I think so. They are about $10.

That's expensive?

Marie

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> can'tfind a screwdriver bit for my drill, I will definitely pursue the
> electric screwdriver idea.  I might anyway.  Sounds like $15 well
> spent.

We have LOTS of cabinets in our kitchen -- which we just painted white -- some 300 screws or so later, it definitely was.

Marie

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Speaking of semantic ambiguity.  Anyway, I went to the building supply
store, where they don't sell electric screwdrivers but do sell
screwdriver bits.  So I bought a bit and a bunch of sheetrock screws.
The screw that I had managed to get part-way in by drilling a hole first
won't go any farther when drilled.  The drill just dances all around,
popping off and onto the screw.  And there's no way to use it to start a
new screw without first going back to the other bit and drilling a hole
and then struggling with the screwdriver for ages to get the screw
part-way in.  There's no way to start the screw in with the drill.  I
tried that, and of course the screw went flying across the room.  So I
guess it's hiring time.  I wish now I hadn't bought these blinds at
Lowe's.  There's a "window-treatment" store in Starkville that
installs.  (But they don't have anything in stock.  It's all
special-order.)  The moral of my story is that it's much simpler and
probably cheaper in the long run to buy from full-fledged stores that
deliver/install/etc.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:42:46 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:26 am
> Subject: Re: Electric Screwdrivers

>> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 6:06:56 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Are electric screwdrivers expensive?
>>
>> I think so. They are about $10.

> That's expensive?

When you have no income, yes. In any case, I don't like reduplicating
tools, and I haven't had to screw anything that I couldn't use my
drill for.

If I were Natalie, I'd spring the $50 for a cordless drill rather than
the $10-15 for the screwdriver. Ultimately, it will be more useful
IMHO.

Natalie, if you do decide to buy a drill, make sure you play with one
before you purchase it. They all feel different, and some are just
better than others.

Karen

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again, all around:
= Jim:
= > I still don't get it.
=
= "It's hard to recognize speech."
=

ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"

guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:55:14 AM, steph wrote:
> again, all around:
> = Jim:
= >> I still don't get it.
> =
> = "It's hard to recognize speech."
> =

> ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"

> guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?

Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!

Karen

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= special-order.)  The moral of my story is that it's much simpler and
= probably cheaper in the long run to buy from full-fledged stores that
= deliver/install/etc.

wimp.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> If I were Natalie, I'd spring the $50 for a cordless drill rather than
> the $10-15 for the screwdriver. Ultimately, it will be more useful
> IMHO.
>
> Natalie, if you do decide to buy a drill, make sure you play with one
> before you purchase it. They all feel different, and some are just
> better than others.

But I already have a drill.  The only point I can see in having two
drills would be that I could have different bits in different ones and
go back and forth between them without having to change the bits.  Since
the screwdriver bit isn't working anyway, this is all now moot.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:58:05 AM, steph wrote:
> = special-order.)  The moral of my story is that it's much simpler and
> = probably cheaper in the long run to buy from full-fledged stores that
> = deliver/install/etc.

> wimp.

I guess they don't call it sheet rock for nothing...

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:55:14 AM, steph wrote:
= > again, all around:
= > = Jim:
= = >> I still don't get it.
= > =
= > = "It's hard to recognize speech."
= > =
=
= > ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"
=
= > guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?
=
= Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!
=
= Karen

I do, actually.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > = "It's hard to recognize speech."

> Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!

I pronounce it.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie Maynor:
= Karen Kay wrote:
=
= > If I were Natalie, I'd spring the $50 for a cordless drill rather than
= > the $10-15 for the screwdriver. Ultimately, it will be more useful
= > IMHO.
= >
= > Natalie, if you do decide to buy a drill, make sure you play with one
= > before you purchase it. They all feel different, and some are just
= > better than others.
=
= But I already have a drill.  The only point I can see in having two
= drills would be that I could have different bits in different ones and
= go back and forth between them without having to change the bits.  Since
= the screwdriver bit isn't working anyway, this is all now moot.
=

No.  It probably means that the screw is too long.  You can't
screw into just anything, and it's probably hitting something
that no amount of force will fix.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:13:41 AM, again, all around wrote:
>> My Dragon Naturally Speaking does a good job.

> Is it really faster than typing for most
> things?  What kinds of things do you use
> it for?

I've tried using it for everything. It's not faster. OTOH, it does
give your wrists a break.

I like when it reads me my e-mail.:)

I haven't used it since I changed motherboards; there's some kind of
audio conflict I haven't nailed down.

>> Why were you doing speech perception?

> I was getting a degree with a concentration
> in artificial intelligence (remember that
> term?), and that was part of the curriculum.

Isn't AI still used? Or have we progressed to something else?

I'm glad speech was part of the curriculum.

Karen

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steph wrote:
>
> = special-order.)  The moral of my story is that it's much simpler and
> = probably cheaper in the long run to buy from full-fledged stores that
> = deliver/install/etc.
>
> wimp.

Why wimp?  It strikes me as more practical to pay one source for it all
than to pay one place for the purchase, then have to find somebody to
hire, then pay the hired person.
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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:58:34 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> But I already have a drill.

But it has a cord--this is a major disadvantage, IMHO>

> Since the screwdriver bit isn't working anyway, this is all now
> moot.

It's a poor workman who blames his tools...

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:59:10 AM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:55:14 AM, steph wrote:
= >> again, all around:
= >> = Jim:
= = >>> I still don't get it.
= >> =
= >> = "It's hard to recognize speech."
= >> =
> =
= >> ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"
> =
= >> guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?
> =
> = Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!
> =
> = Karen

> I do, actually.

Then it's not ambiguous.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I guess they don't call it sheet rock for nothing...

Sheetrock isn't involved.  The point about the sheetrock screws is
simply that they're easier than other screws.  The blinds came with
regular screws.  The window frames are wood, not sheetrock.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:04:03 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Sheetrock isn't involved.  The point about the sheetrock screws is
> simply that they're easier than other screws.  The blinds came with
> regular screws.  The window frames are wood, not sheetrock.

Then I'm with Steph--your screws are too long or you are somehow
hitting something and no one else is going to be able to get it to
work.

Karen

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steph wrote:

> No.  It probably means that the screw is too long.  You can't
> screw into just anything, and it's probably hitting something
> that no amount of force will fix.

I tried to remove the screw, but it seems to be permanently stuck.  It
won't budge.  But I can't imagine what it could be hitting besides more
wood.  What else would be above the window frame?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But it has a cord--this is a major disadvantage, IMHO>

I see nothing disadvantageous at all about the cord.

> > Since the screwdriver bit isn't working anyway, this is all now
> > moot.
>
> It's a poor workman who blames his tools...

I've never claimed to be a good workman.  But I do think that the
screwdriver bit is problematic since it's bigger than the screw's
indentions.  This bit is much bigger than my regular screwdrivers.
There was apparently no choice in size at the store, though.  The man
pulled this one out and acted as if that was that -- that there was only
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Then I'm with Steph--your screws are too long or you are somehow
> hitting something and no one else is going to be able to get it to
> work.

If nobody else can get it to work, then I guess this will be the second
occasion in my life for throwing away (giving away) new miniblinds
because I couldn't get them up.  I'll take them to the Salvation Army --
sans one bracket which is stuck to the top of my window frame,
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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:06:36 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I tried to remove the screw, but it seems to be permanently stuck.

Did you try with the drill bit? If you can't remove it with the drill
bit, that's very, very strange.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I tried to remove the screw, but it seems to be permanently stuck.
>
> Did you try with the drill bit? If you can't remove it with the drill
> bit, that's very, very strange.

How can you tell a drill bit to unscrew something?  How does it know to
try unscrewing instead of screwing?

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On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I've never claimed to be a good workman.  But I do think that the
> screwdriver bit is problematic since it's bigger than the screw's
> indentions.  This bit is much bigger than my regular screwdrivers.
> There was apparently no choice in size at the store, though.  The man
> pulled this one out and acted as if that was that -- that there was only
> this size.

Hm. Mine is about the same size as my Phillips head screwdriver and in
between my regular screwdrivers. I thought there was only one size,
too.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:15:09 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> How can you tell a drill bit to unscrew something?  How does it know to
> try unscrewing instead of screwing?

My drill swings both ways...

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:10:24 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> I think semantic ambiguity is what I'm looking for.

> Shirley is the senator I want to succeed.

> Semantic or syntactic?  Have they decided that yet?

This is the kind of question that makes me want to scream.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> How can you tell a drill bit to unscrew something?  How does it know to
> try unscrewing instead of screwing?

Aha.  I just found a switch on the drill that I bet changes the
direction the bit turns.  But it didn't help solve the problem, alas,
since it still just pops around, popping in the opposite direction
presumably but not affecting the screw (except battering its head) since
it's just jumping around on top, not getting into the indentions.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:04:08 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I've never had any reason to want a cordless one.  I'd rather plug
> something in than have to mess around with charging batteries.

You don't exactly mess with charging batteries. I have had the same
battery in my drill for months. When it gets run down, I swap it with
the charged one, and just leave the old one charging for the next few
months.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:20:21 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Aha.  I just found a switch on the drill that I bet changes the
> direction the bit turns.  But it didn't help solve the problem, alas,
> since it still just pops around, popping in the opposite direction
> presumably but not affecting the screw (except battering its head) since
> it's just jumping around on top, not getting into the indentions.

Are you sure you have it in straight?

Karen

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This appeared on a local list. I miss Alyce!

Karen

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/5907697.htm

excerpts--

One day before Democrats ended their boycott of the Texas House last week,
the Texas Department of Public Safety ordered the destruction of all
records and photos gathered in the search for them, documents obtained
Tuesday show.

A one-sentence order sent by e-mail on the morning of May 14 was apparently
carried out, a DPS spokesman said Tuesday. The revelation comes as federal
authorities are investigating how a division of the federal Homeland
Security Department was dragged into the hunt for the missing Democrats -
at the request of the state police agency.

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I don't understand why regular security clearances wouldn't just
apply.

Karen

"http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-aseccaib11051103may11.story

excerpts--
Civilian members of the board investigating the shuttle Columbia disaster
-- outsiders who were added to reassure Congress and the public that the
board would be fully independent of the space agency -- are actually being
paid executive-level salaries by NASA.

The agency quietly put the five civilians on the National Aeronautics and
Space Administration payroll, at pay rates of $134,000 a year, in order to
take advantage of provisions that allow boards composed exclusively of
"federal employees" to conduct their business in secret."

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>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > = "It's hard to recognize speech."
>
> > Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!
>
> I pronounce it.
>
  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Me too.

Sandra

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At 11:41 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > can'tfind a screwdriver bit for my drill, I will definitely pursue the
> > electric screwdriver idea.  I might anyway.  Sounds like $15 well
> > spent.
>
>We have LOTS of cabinets in our kitchen -- which we just painted white --
>some 300 screws or so later, it definitely was.

Tell me more about this. I've been threatening to paint ours white.  How
did you prep?  Did you remove the old stuff?

Betty

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At noon, it's only 70 measly degrees! What a difference a week makes.

Karen

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The good news, after a week of testing,
is that Gene is having open heart surgery
tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
put in a new valve and do one bypass.

The bad news is that my whole way of life
will change, as I learn how to become a
fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
(family) but won't have help after I'm home,
except that I may be able to get some home
health nursing for a few days.

The upshot is that I won't be online very
much.

Will check in once in a while.

                - D. M.

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Karen's Dragon:
>OTOH, it does give your wrists a break.

Yeah, that jumped out at me when I looked
at the website.  You have a problem with
that, right?

> Isn't AI still used?

It just makes me think of that horrible
little boy from that horrible movie.

> I'm glad speech was part of the curriculum.

It was fun, but I'd be hard-pressed to think
of a time I used that stuff IRL.

--
Richard     that's already illegal, you idiots

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:43:20 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> The good news, after a week of testing,
> is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> put in a new valve and do one bypass.

Somehow I find this fitting for a birthday.:)

> The bad news is that my whole way of life
> will change, as I learn how to become a
> fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
> heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
> going to leave him to go to the store, etc.

But the full time nursing won't be that long, will it?

Do you really think that heart healthy menus will be a big challenge?

Karen

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> At noon, it's only 70 measly degrees! What a difference a week makes.

I warned you yesterday; the SNOW is on the way.

--
Richard     that's already illegal, you idiots

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steph wrote:

> Karen Kay:
> = Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:55:41 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> = > Karen Kay writes,
> =
> = >>No, where the words themselves could be interpreted in more than one
> = >>way. Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example.
> =
> = > Kinda like "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana,"
> = > except in one clause, not two?
> =
> = LOL. Yes! Exactly. Actually, 'fruit flies like a banana' is
> = theoretically ambiguous on its own.
> =
> = Karen
>
> I don't know why, but it took me the longest time to get this. My
> old boyfriend/housemate Zeph used to say this all the time, and
> it probably took me something like six months to grok the damn
> thing.  What does this mean?  What does it mean that it still
> stands out after almost 20 years?

"Mind if I smoke?"
"I don't care if you burn."

When I was a kid we had a contest based on these, sung to the
tune of  "Did you ever see a lassie?".

Have you every seen a house fly?
(repetitions, ending - Now you think of one!)
Have you ever seen a water fall?
Have you ever seen a basket ball
(bawl - the original spelling pun is out due to sex ban)?
Have you ever seen a cereal bowl?
Have you ever seen a moose track?
Have you ever seen a door jam(b)?
Have you zipper pull?
Have you ever seen a cake walk?
Have you ever seen a smoking gun?

related phonologically but not easy to show in writing:

"Pass me the butter -"
"Butt her! I don't even know her!"

clo

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:54:58 AM, again, all around wrote:
> Karen's Dragon:
>>OTOH, it does give your wrists a break.

> Yeah, that jumped out at me when I looked
> at the website.  You have a problem with
> that, right?

Not particularly. But sometimes I like to give my wrists a break. And
it's good for some kinds of writing--and for translating. The speed is
about right for translating.

>> I'm glad speech was part of the curriculum.

> It was fun, but I'd be hard-pressed to think
> of a time I used that stuff IRL.

Hm. I think I use it all the time.

Other than the phone example (more aspiration, less affrication), I
can't think of one offhand, though.

And now I have to think of other things.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:58:29 AM, again, all around wrote:
>> At noon, it's only 70 measly degrees! What a difference a week makes.

> I warned you yesterday; the SNOW is on the way.

Yeah, it'll snow when it gets down in the 50's at night...

Karen

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Thanks for checking in, Doris.  After recovery I bet you'll be amazed at
how well Gene is back to normal. We should all be eating more of  a healthy
heart diet.  I'm so glad this was all caught in time.

Take care of yourself, too!

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Speaking of semantic ambiguity.

And  disappointing me dreadfully!
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:55:14 AM, steph wrote:
> > again, all around:
> > = Jim:
> = >> I still don't get it.
> > =
> > = "It's hard to recognize speech."
> > =
>
> > ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"
>
> > guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?
>
> Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!

What "g"? The one in "rekudnize"?
clo

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> Tell me more about this. I've been threatening to paint ours
> white.  How
> did you prep?  Did you remove the old stuff?

The old stuff was just stain and polyurethane (I think). Nope, didn't strip 'em. But used this super powered primer called "Kilz" primer -- that's apparently the key. It covers everything. Then two layers of acrylic white (uh, well slightly off Behr's swans wing or something) semi-gloss (I think) paint.

Kilz primer. Remember that.

My parents helped me. They rock. It took a good part of a weekend, but it looks really good. We also took up that kitchen floor you hated and laid tiles (well, had someone come in and lay tiles.)

I have before and after pictures (even thought we are not completely at "after"), which I should post once I reestablish a place to post them.

Marie

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The good news, after a week of testing,
> is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> put in a new valve and do one bypass.
>
> The bad news is that my whole way of life
> will change,

I'm sure you'll be good at all new things. I'll try to send good vibes
towards you both, or at least simple good thoughts of mine must have
enough strength to reach there.

Kristin

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 12:33:35 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Kilz primer. Remember that.

This is the stuff that someone told me they had to use two layers of
to cover yellow paint in a room once. It was a bright, bright, yellow.

> We also took up that kitchen floor you hated and laid tiles (well,
> had someone come in and lay tiles.)

I haven't done this, but I've heard it's relatively easy.

Some friends redid their bathroom and they have tile wainscoting as
well as on the floor. I like it.

> I have before and after pictures (even thought we are not completely
> at "after"), which I should post once I reestablish a place to post
> them.

Yes, you should! Immediately!

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 12:20:00 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> What "g"? The one in "rekudnize"?

LOL. Yes.:)

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:58:56 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Have you every seen a house fly?
> (repetitions, ending - Now you think of one!)
> Have you ever seen a water fall?
> Have you ever seen a basket ball
> (bawl - the original spelling pun is out due to sex ban)?
> Have you ever seen a cereal bowl?
> Have you ever seen a moose track?
> Have you ever seen a door jam(b)?
> Have you zipper pull?
> Have you ever seen a cake walk?
> Have you ever seen a smoking gun?

I need to put these in a business setting.

> related phonologically but not easy to show in writing:

> "Pass me the butter -"
> "Butt her! I don't even know her!"

I think this violates the 'nothing below the waist' rule. But I like
it a lot!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > = special-order.)  The moral of my story is that it's much simpler and
= > = probably cheaper in the long run to buy from full-fledged stores that
= > = deliver/install/etc.
= >
= > wimp.
=
= Why wimp?  It strikes me as more practical to pay one source for it all
= than to pay one place for the purchase, then have to find somebody to
= hire, then pay the hired person.

Because it means you aren't even going to try anymore to do it
yourself.  I dunno.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Boy, have fun. I wish Uku a calm state of mind to complete his
> studying. Good luck with the math and science - and I hope that it's a
> little bit fun, that there are some interesting questions that present
> puzzles to solve!

Thank you. He said he did not fail at least yesterday. The marks for all the written
papers will be announced after some time later on. By now he has also written an essay
(as a mothertongue exam) and a paper in English, and there was an oral exam in
English, too, for which he got the maximum number of points and the best mark.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> The good news, after a week of testing,
> is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> put in a new valve and do one bypass.

It is good news too, though I am sure you are anxious.
I'm sure he could think of other ways to spend a birthday,
too. ;-(


> The bad news is that my whole way of life
> will change, as I learn how to become a
> fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
> heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
> going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
> I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
> (family) but won't have help after I'm home,
> except that I may be able to get some home
> health nursing for a few days.

My dad had open heart surgery last June, and it was
a very anxious time for us, but the nursing is not as
intensive as you might imagine. One of the toughest
things is keeping the patient from lifting his arms to
do simple, automatic things like reaching for something.
If he's stubborn and independent, keeping the car keys
hid can be another chore. You're not supposed to drive
<or> sit in a seat with an airbag for several weeks.

Then there are the elastic stockings that have to be
put on in the morning and taken off and washed out every
night. They'll tell you all that stuff, though.

Is your house one story or two? Climbing stairs is
tricky as well. But it really is surprising how quickly
patients recover and how much they can do.

As for "heart healthy", if Gene will eat veggies, you
are good to go - salads, steamed or sauteed veggies,
small portions, and balanced meals without chips,
fried foods, and fatty meats - it's really not that hard.
My dad was strictly a buttered everything, meat and
potatoes guy; but he is doing just fine.

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On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, steph wrote:
> Natalie Maynor:
> = steph wrote:
= >>
= >> = special-order.)  The moral of my story is that it's much simpler and
= >> = probably cheaper in the long run to buy from full-fledged stores that
= >> = deliver/install/etc.
= >>
= >> wimp.
> =
> = Why wimp?  It strikes me as more practical to pay one source for it all
> = than to pay one place for the purchase, then have to find somebody to
> = hire, then pay the hired person.

> Because it means you aren't even going to try anymore to do it
> yourself.  I dunno.

But if she can't get it in or out, what else is she supposed to do?

Spray water on it, like stuck dogs?

Karen

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> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 12:33:35 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > Kilz primer. Remember that.
>
> This is the stuff that someone told me they had to use two layers of
> to cover yellow paint in a room once. It was a bright, bright, yellow.

I don't understand why they would use it on walls. I've never primed walls.
>
> > We also took up that kitchen floor you hated and laid tiles (well,
> > had someone come in and lay tiles.)
>
> I haven't done this, but I've heard it's relatively easy.

It's a huge pain in the ass. We did our foyer and while it looks OKAY, I decided never again, and certainly not in a space that's three times the size with all kinds of nooks and crannies like my kitchen.

> > I have before and after pictures (even thought we are not completely
> > at "after"), which I should post once I reestablish a place to post
> > them.
>
> Yes, you should! Immediately!

I know it's very important.

It really won't be done until I build (or have my dad build) a banquette into the breakfast nook.

Marie

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 12:43:46 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> I don't understand why they would use it on walls. I've never primed walls.

To cover non-pastel/non-white paint.

>> > I have before and after pictures (even thought we are not completely
>> > at "after"), which I should post once I reestablish a place to post
>> > them.
>>
>> Yes, you should! Immediately!

> I know it's very important.

> It really won't be done until I build (or have my dad build) a banquette into the breakfast nook.

What do you have there now?

Karen

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> The good news, after a week of testing,
> is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> put in a new valve and do one bypass.
>
> The bad news is that my whole way of life
> will change, as I learn how to become a
> fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
> heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
> going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
> I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
> (family) but won't have help after I'm home,
> except that I may be able to get some home
> health nursing for a few days.
>
> The upshot is that I won't be online very
> much.
>
> Will check in once in a while.
>
>                 - D. M.


I hope you have a local caregiver support group you can attend. The
suggestions and resources and support may be of help to you.

I'll be sending my best thoughts for the both of you and your family.

Sandra

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This is one of my favorite Richard Ford bits:

"Some things can't be explained. They just are. And after a while they
disappear, usually forever, or become interesting in another way.
Literature's consolations are always temporary, while life is quick to begin
again. It is better not even to look so hard, to leave off explaining.
Nothing makes me more queasy than to spend time with people who don't know
that and can't forget, and for whom such knowledge isn't the cornerstone of
life." Richard Ford, "The Sportswriter"

Anyone read the book? I ought to get a copy from the library.

Sandra

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > The good news, after a week of testing,
> > is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> > tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> > put in a new valve and do one bypass.
>
> It is good news too, though I am sure you are anxious.
> I'm sure he could think of other ways to spend a birthday,
> too. ;-(
>
> > The bad news is that my whole way of life
> > will change, as I learn how to become a
> > fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
> > heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
> > going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
> > I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
> > (family) but won't have help after I'm home,
> > except that I may be able to get some home
> > health nursing for a few days.

My dad - blah blah blah -

Sorry, i hit the send key too soon!

I just wanted to say, I know this is a very tough time -
hang in there.

If you could get someone to shop for you on the last day
he's in the hospital,  and put it in a cooler to take home with
you, then you'd be stocked up for the first couple of
days, anyway. After that, I think you would be ok to leave
him alone for short times - as long as he is a sensible person.
My dad isn't, but even he found quickly that it really did
hurt to overdo, and was quite willing to rest and take it easy
till the sternum healed some.

Just one other thing - depression is so common after
open heart surgery - I do think too much fussing and
worry increases the fear in the patient that their old life
is over. My dad, and many others I know, have more
energy and better health. He retired at the age of 78,
thinking that he was old; but since the surgery he is
thinking that might have been premature. He babysits
toddler grandchildren, gardens, golfs, climbs ladders,
walks every day, and drives on long trips - really, it was
a good thing to have happen early, before the damage
to his heart was severe.

clo

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At 01:33 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > Tell me more about this. I've been threatening to paint ours
> > white.  How
> > did you prep?  Did you remove the old stuff?
>
>The old stuff was just stain and polyurethane (I think). Nope, didn't
>strip 'em. But used this super powered primer called "Kilz" primer --
>that's apparently the key. It covers everything. Then two layers of
>acrylic white (uh, well slightly off Behr's swans wing or something)
>semi-gloss (I think) paint.

Thanks. We stained these 27 years ago and put about three coats of
verathane (sp?) on them.  They are way too dark for our small kitchen.

I'd love to see the photos.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:58:56 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Have you every seen a house fly?
> > (repetitions, ending - Now you think of one!)

> I need to put these in a business setting.

I showed you the list to draw the pattern - lots and lots of compounds
contain one element that has both a noun and a verb entry,
and can therefore make the companion noun its subject.

Just be grateful I didn't tell my dad's punny jokes -
(doesn't Gracie look nice with her hare up?!)

> > related phonologically but not easy to show in writing:
>
> > "Pass me the butter -"
> > "Butt her! I don't even know her!"
>
> I think this violates the 'nothing below the waist' rule. But I like
> it a lot!

It's amazing - and ultimately very annoying, if someone catches
the habit - how easy it is to find "er" words that lend themselves to
this. I think the person I knew who did it incessantly picked it up
from Saturday Night Live or MadTV or something.

pincher -
pitcher -
maker -

etc.
clo

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Natalie's examples jogged me enough to realize one way to find ambiguous
sentences in humor collections: Google for e.g., <hilarious headlines>.

Some cool ambiguous headlines:

Blind Bishop Appointed To See
British Left Waffles on Falkland Island
Iraqi Head Seeks Arms
Prostitutes Appeal to Pope
Teacher Strikes Idle Kids
Kids Make Nutritious Snack
Juvenile court to try shooting defendant
Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
Drunk Driver Gets Nine Months in Violin Case
Miners Refuse to Work after Death
Stolen Painting Found by Tree
New Vaccine May Contain Rabies
Grandmother of eight makes hole in one
Queen Mary having bottom scraped
Antique Stripper to Display Wares at Store
Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
Squad Helps Dog Bite Victim

Pete

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 1:12:46 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Natalie's examples jogged me enough to realize one way to find ambiguous
> sentences in humor collections: Google for e.g., <hilarious headlines>.

> Some cool ambiguous headlines:

> Blind Bishop Appointed To See
> British Left Waffles on Falkland Island
> Iraqi Head Seeks Arms
> Prostitutes Appeal to Pope
> Teacher Strikes Idle Kids
> Kids Make Nutritious Snack
> Juvenile court to try shooting defendant
> Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
> Drunk Driver Gets Nine Months in Violin Case
> Miners Refuse to Work after Death
> Stolen Painting Found by Tree
> New Vaccine May Contain Rabies
> Grandmother of eight makes hole in one
> Queen Mary having bottom scraped
> Antique Stripper to Display Wares at Store
> Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
> Squad Helps Dog Bite Victim

Thank you. Who cares about a business context, these are two hilarious
not to use!

Karen

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I'm hoping one of you can help me out...

I've got a Canon Powershot S100 and I used it successfully on my older PC
(Windows 2000). I'm now trying to connect my camera to my new PC (XP) and
I've located the USB driver (for my model and XP) on the Canon
website....but I need to know where to install it to on my C:  Do I put it
in my Canon folder or somewhere else?

Thanks!

Sandra

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> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > The good news, after a week of testing,
> > > is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> > > tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> > > put in a new valve and do one bypass.
> >
> > It is good news too, though I am sure you are anxious.
> > I'm sure he could think of other ways to spend a birthday,
> > too. ;-(
> >
> > > The bad news is that my whole way of life
> > > will change, as I learn how to become a
> > > fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
> > > heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
> > > going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
> > > I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
> > > (family) but won't have help after I'm home,
> > > except that I may be able to get some home
> > > health nursing for a few days.
>
> My dad - blah blah blah -
>
> Sorry, i hit the send key too soon!
>
> I just wanted to say, I know this is a very tough time -
> hang in there.
>
> If you could get someone to shop for you on the last day
> he's in the hospital,  and put it in a cooler to take home with
> you, then you'd be stocked up for the first couple of
> days, anyway. After that, I think you would be ok to leave
> him alone for short times - as long as he is a sensible person.
> My dad isn't, but even he found quickly that it really did
> hurt to overdo, and was quite willing to rest and take it easy
> till the sternum healed some.
>
> Just one other thing - depression is so common after
> open heart surgery - I do think too much fussing and
> worry increases the fear in the patient that their old life
> is over. My dad, and many others I know, have more
> energy and better health. He retired at the age of 78,
> thinking that he was old; but since the surgery he is
> thinking that might have been premature. He babysits
> toddler grandchildren, gardens, golfs, climbs ladders,
> walks every day, and drives on long trips - really, it was
> a good thing to have happen early, before the damage
> to his heart was severe.
>
> clo
>

Also...the answer to "Can I help?" is ALWAYS "yes!". There is always
something someone can do. Whether it's sit with Gene and relieve you for an
hour, or pick up something at the post office, or mow your lawn. Always say
"yes."

Sandra

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 1:21:45 PM, S Hess wrote:
> I'm hoping one of you can help me out...

> I've got a Canon Powershot S100 and I used it successfully on my older PC
> (Windows 2000). I'm now trying to connect my camera to my new PC (XP) and
> I've located the USB driver (for my model and XP) on the Canon
> website....but I need to know where to install it to on my C:  Do I put it
> in my Canon folder or somewhere else?

If you plug it in, it should tell you what to do. You may not even
need a driver.

Karen

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> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 1:21:45 PM, S Hess wrote:
> > I'm hoping one of you can help me out...
>
> > I've got a Canon Powershot S100 and I used it successfully on
> my older PC
> > (Windows 2000). I'm now trying to connect my camera to my new
> PC (XP) and
> > I've located the USB driver (for my model and XP) on the Canon
> > website....but I need to know where to install it to on my C:
> Do I put it
> > in my Canon folder or somewhere else?
>
> If you plug it in, it should tell you what to do. You may not even
> need a driver.
>
> Karen

You are my new hero!!!! Wow.... you were right as rain. The last time I
installed this on my older PC, I needed to d/l the driver. Not with
XP....I'm thrilled.

Thanks very much, Karen.

:)

Sandra

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The driver is already installed as part of XP. The first time you plug the
camera into the XP computer, it will detect it and install the correct
driver automagically.

Glad to help,
-aht

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>
>I'm hoping one of you can help me out...
>
>I've got a Canon Powershot S100 and I used it successfully on my older PC
>(Windows 2000). I'm now trying to connect my camera to my new PC (XP) and
>I've located the USB driver (for my model and XP) on the Canon
>website....but I need to know where to install it to on my C:  Do I put it
>in my Canon folder or somewhere else?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Sandra

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--On Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:33 PM -0400 Marie Ascher
<14lodge@optonline.net> wrote:

> Kilz primer. Remember that.


Awesome stuff now they make interior types.  There are different combos, I
just used Kilz Premium primer/sealer in the bathroom.  It took 2 coats to
cover the old mildew stains, but now looks great.

Terry

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>The bad news is that my whole way of life
>will change,

Isn't that the truth? When someone in a family gets sick, everyone else has
to change their lives as well. It seems impossible now, but you will soon
work out all the new tricks you must learn to cope. As the doctors said the
morning after my mother had a bypass operation, the patient is healthier as
soon as the operation is over. It's daunting to think of all the changes you
are facing, especially since you don't even know what they all are just now.
But you will manage.

-aht

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> The driver is already installed as part of XP. The first time you plug the
> camera into the XP computer, it will detect it and install the correct
> driver automagically.
>
> Glad to help,
> -aht
>
> >From: S Hess <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM>
> >Reply-To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Uploading USB Driver question...
> >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:21:45 -0700
> >
> >I'm hoping one of you can help me out...
> >
> >I've got a Canon Powershot S100 and I used it successfully on my older PC
> >(Windows 2000). I'm now trying to connect my camera to my new PC (XP) and
> >I've located the USB driver (for my model and XP) on the Canon
> >website....but I need to know where to install it to on my C:
> Do I put it
> >in my Canon folder or somewhere else?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Sandra


Thanks! I love it when things are easier than one expects.

Sandra

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> You are my new hero!!!! Wow.... you were right as rain. The last time I
> installed this on my older PC, I needed to d/l the driver. Not with
> XP....I'm thrilled.
>
> Thanks very much, Karen.
>
> :)

No problem. Now if only I could figure out how to re-install my own
scanner under Win2K...

Karen

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I painted the cabinets in my last house white (or off-white
I think) and replaced all the handles, etc.  Yes, they look
nice.  They looked way better than when they were two-tone
electric blue.  But the white was *hell* to keep clean.  I
like my nice cherry cabinets much better -- they hardly show
a thing.



--
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In a message dated 05/21/2003 11:46:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
The agency quietly put the five civilians on the National Aeronautics and
Space Administration payroll, at pay rates of $134,000 a year, in order to
take advantage of provisions that allow boards composed exclusively of
"federal employees" to conduct their business in secret."



>>

I wonder what Richard Feynman would think of this.

Evelyn Duncan
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> > It really won't be done until I build (or have my dad build) a
> banquette into the breakfast nook.
>
> What do you have there now?

An ugly cheap table that came free from a friend of my mother's while we figured out what we want to do. I'm still not exactly sure, but I know I want something built in.

Marie

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Marie:

>Emeril is good with that AND actually, probably the most important thing he
>ever showed me was how to easily peel garlic by lightly cracking it with a
>knife. Once you do that the skin just falls off once you cut the ends.

I learned this from my mom!

>He has his moments.

He's annoying.

Btw, channel surfing the other day I caught "amana" on the cooking channel.
The guy with the good hair who's not Bobby Flay used it.

-rashmi

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I'll be setting nomail this evening later - I have to complete two
presentations tonight, then pack for a trip to Nashville tomorrow - NAJIT
(Nat'l Ass'n of Judiciary Interpreters and Translators). I'll be talking
about Custodial Interrogation and Jury Instructions.

Y'all be good! I'll be back Sunday night.

Bethany

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> >> Have I got a book for you!  To be specific, Michael Pollan's _The
> >> Botany of
> >> Desire_.
>
>>I just ordered it.
>
>It was a book club book, and I ended up not being able to read it.
>Though I like hearing Pollan talk. I don't know what the problem was.

I didn't care for the book either. I like his Sunday NYT articles. They're
the right
length and don't seem to work when expanded to book form. (imo, oc).

-rashmi

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:20:21 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Aha.  I just found a switch on the drill that I bet changes the
> > direction the bit turns.  But it didn't help solve the problem, alas,
> > since it still just pops around, popping in the opposite direction
> > presumably but not affecting the screw (except battering its head) since
> > it's just jumping around on top, not getting into the indentions.
>
> Are you sure you have it in straight?

Yes, but much has happened since then.  Right after I wrote the above, I
went on to campus to go to the p.o. and eat lunch.  (At lunch my friends
said that curtains and shades are fine for do-it-yourselfers but that
blinds are better left to professionals.  But we were missing a couple
of people today who are big into do-it-yourselfing and would probably
not have agreed with that.  One of them bought a run-down duplex in New
Orleans a couple of years ago and redid it all himself -- which is where
he is right now -- he and his wife keep one side of the duplex for
themselves and rent out the other side -- they're both from NO and go
there often to visit family and friends.)

Ok, so I came home fed and socialized, two important things -- which is
why I will continue forever eating lunch on campus, retired or not.  In
examining the stuck screw, I noticed that the grooves in its head were
totally gone -- that just a hole was there.  I had used the sheetrock
screw my neighbor gave me to go up into the wood pretty far, then pulled
it out and tried to screw in one of the regular screws.  The problem is
that the regular screws' grooves are too small for the drill's
screwdriver bit.  The bit fits the sheetrock screws (of which I bought a
bunch when I bought the bit) better.  So I decided to hammer the
head-holy screw into the wood far enough to enable me to use it.  Then I
managed to get the other bracket up with the sheetrock screws.  (This
was the narrow window -- the one that required just two brackets -- the
other two windows required three each.)  Alas, when I went to try to
hang the blinds, I discovered that both brackets had to be moved since
they interfered with the working of the blinds.  Trying to get the
hammered, holy screw out was a two-hour task.  I finally managed with a
combination of hammer (the nail-puller-outer part), pliers, and pulling
off a chunk of the window frame.  I managed not to break the window,
though I came very close many times.  Then, sticking to the sheetrock
screws, I managed to finish the whole project.  My arm is aching from
the drill-holding, but that's ok.

So why aren't all screws like sheetrock screws?  Why do they make other
screws so much harder to screw?

End of story is that I will never attempt to hang blinds again.  As my
lunch friends said today, shades and curtains yes, blinds no.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> This appeared on a local list. I miss Alyce!

I also miss Alyce's keeping us up on various news, exposes, etc.  I'm
sure I must have mentioned this url before:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

I recommend it highly.

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Not quite what you want, but it's pissing me off:

  There are two formats for redirecting standard output and
  standard error:

         &>word
  and
         >&word

What they mean is there are two ways you can redirect BOTH
standard output and standard error (to the same place). What
an infuriatingly ambiguous way of saying this ...

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> The good news, after a week of testing,
> is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> put in a new valve and do one bypass.

That sounds like a productive way to spend a birthday, even though it
might not be everybody's first choice of the way to spend a day.

> The bad news is that my whole way of life
> will change, as I learn how to become a
> fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
> heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
> going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
> I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
> (family) but won't have help after I'm home,
> except that I may be able to get some home
> health nursing for a few days.

How long will the recuperation be -- as in the period of time when he
can't be left alone at all?  That's going to be hard.  I bet you can
find some sitters to come in for short periods while you shop, etc. --
people who are not necessarily medical experts but who are experienced
enough to know if something isn't looking right and can call you or call
911.

> The upshot is that I won't be online very
> much.
>
> Will check in once in a while.

Maybe it will work out that you are online even more -- like at times
when you might have otherwise gone somewhere but are instead home, with
a lull in the nursing.  I hope you are online!

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> At noon, it's only 70 measly degrees! What a difference a week makes.

The weather gods are being very strange.  The end may indeed be at
hand.  Or Global Warming, which supposedly sometimes makes warm times
cold, or so I've read.  It's cold here also.  I got up and turned off
the ceiling fan in the wee hours this morning because my bedroom was too
cold.  And right now I'm thinking about turning off the ceiling fan in
this room because it's getting cold in here (and I don't want to go so
far as to close windows).  One of my lunch friends just got back from
visiting his daughter and grandchild in Austin and mentioned that it had
been quite hot there and that he was suffering now from the shock of
cold.

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What is going on at Yale?

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Speaking of semantic ambiguity.
>
> And  disappointing me dreadfully!

You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
it somehow blessed.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> We also took up that kitchen floor you hated

Hmm.  Iirc, that was my kitchen floor -- or I think you said that when
looking at my house pictures.  (I don't have any particular fondness for
that floor, I might add -- but it's not high on my list of things I want
to change.)

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> and there was an oral exam in
> English, too, for which he got the maximum number of points and the best mark.

I bet his mother was a good influence (not that I've heard your oral
English, but I have a feeling it's excellent).

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 6:08:36 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> One of my lunch friends just got back from
> visiting his daughter and grandchild in Austin and mentioned that it had
> been quite hot there and that he was suffering now from the shock of
> cold.

Well, you can tell him it's cold now. At 6pm, normally the hottest
time of day, it's barely 65.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 6:00:50 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> What is going on at Yale?

Explosion in the law school--right across from where Emily works.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 5:54:01 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Not quite what you want, but it's pissing me off:

>   There are two formats for redirecting standard output and
>   standard error:

>          &>word
>   and
>          >&word

> What they mean is there are two ways you can redirect BOTH
> standard output and standard error (to the same place). What
> an infuriatingly ambiguous way of saying this ...

Is this a man page? Man pages are VERY badly written most of the time.

Karen

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 1:12:46 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Some cool ambiguous headlines:

Pete, you managed to crack up my client--she laughed so hard she
cried.

> Blind Bishop Appointed To See
> British Left Waffles on Falkland Island
> Iraqi Head Seeks Arms
> Prostitutes Appeal to Pope
> Teacher Strikes Idle Kids
> Kids Make Nutritious Snack
> Juvenile court to try shooting defendant
> Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
> Drunk Driver Gets Nine Months in Violin Case
> Miners Refuse to Work after Death
> Stolen Painting Found by Tree
> New Vaccine May Contain Rabies
> Grandmother of eight makes hole in one
> Queen Mary having bottom scraped
> Antique Stripper to Display Wares at Store
> Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
> Squad Helps Dog Bite Victim

Karen

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Marie Ascher wrote:
> > We also took up that kitchen floor you hated
>
> Hmm.  Iirc, that was my kitchen floor -- or I think you said that when
> looking at my house pictures.  (I don't have any particular
> fondness for
> that floor, I might add -- but it's not high on my list of things
> I want
> to change.)

Yep, I remember you said that it looked like it was the same as yours. Actually, I didn't hate it except that it was in lousy shape and was obviously self-installed by the previous owners. In some places it didn't quite make it to the wall and was cut crookedly, and in others it was buckled up. It also was worn and got filthy really easily. I wouldn't have hated it otherwise. But Bad Betty does. She said it made her dizzy.

Marie

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steph wrote:

> = Why wimp?  It strikes me as more practical to pay one source for it all
> = than to pay one place for the purchase, then have to find somebody to
> = hire, then pay the hired person.
>
> Because it means you aren't even going to try anymore to do it
> yourself.  I dunno.

I don't see that do-it-yourselfing is always a good thing.  It happens
right now, because of my retirement and my therefore not being legally
able to teach summer school and thus not into my usual May frenzy, that
I have more leisure time to screw around with things like screwing.  So
it's not really all that bad that I devoted a huge number of hours to
this task.  But I'm not sure it was the best ways to spend those many
hours.  Certainly if I were in a normal schedule it would not have been
wise to do all that screwing around.

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
>screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
>it somehow blessed.

You can discuss it while I am gone.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But if she can't get it in or out, what else is she supposed to do?

Pull down part of the window framing with the hammer and pliers.  Did
that just fine.

> Spray water on it, like stuck dogs?

Are you supposed to spray water on stuck dogs?  I must admit that in my
whole doggy life I haven't seen stuck dogs, though I know people who
have.

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I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
minutes per window.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:20:21 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>Aha.  I just found a switch on the drill that I bet changes the
>>>direction the bit turns.  But it didn't help solve the problem, alas,
>>>since it still just pops around, popping in the opposite direction
>>>presumably but not affecting the screw (except battering its head) since
>>>it's just jumping around on top, not getting into the indentions.
>>>
>>Are you sure you have it in straight?
>>
>
> Yes, but much has happened since then.  Right after I wrote the above, I
> went on to campus to go to the p.o. and eat lunch.  (At lunch my friends
> said that curtains and shades are fine for do-it-yourselfers but that
> blinds are better left to professionals.  But we were missing a couple
> of people today who are big into do-it-yourselfing and would probably
> not have agreed with that.  One of them bought a run-down duplex in New
> Orleans a couple of years ago and redid it all himself -- which is where
> he is right now -- he and his wife keep one side of the duplex for
> themselves and rent out the other side -- they're both from NO and go
> there often to visit family and friends.)
>
> Ok, so I came home fed and socialized, two important things -- which is
> why I will continue forever eating lunch on campus, retired or not.  In
> examining the stuck screw, I noticed that the grooves in its head were
> totally gone -- that just a hole was there.  I had used the sheetrock
> screw my neighbor gave me to go up into the wood pretty far, then pulled
> it out and tried to screw in one of the regular screws.  The problem is
> that the regular screws' grooves are too small for the drill's
> screwdriver bit.  The bit fits the sheetrock screws (of which I bought a
> bunch when I bought the bit) better.  So I decided to hammer the
> head-holy screw into the wood far enough to enable me to use it.  Then I
> managed to get the other bracket up with the sheetrock screws.  (This
> was the narrow window -- the one that required just two brackets -- the
> other two windows required three each.)  Alas, when I went to try to
> hang the blinds, I discovered that both brackets had to be moved since
> they interfered with the working of the blinds.  Trying to get the
> hammered, holy screw out was a two-hour task.  I finally managed with a
> combination of hammer (the nail-puller-outer part), pliers, and pulling
> off a chunk of the window frame.  I managed not to break the window,
> though I came very close many times.  Then, sticking to the sheetrock
> screws, I managed to finish the whole project.  My arm is aching from
> the drill-holding, but that's ok.
>
> So why aren't all screws like sheetrock screws?  Why do they make other
> screws so much harder to screw?
>
> End of story is that I will never attempt to hang blinds again.  As my
> lunch friends said today, shades and curtains yes, blinds no.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay writes,

>Pete, you managed to crack up my client--she laughed so hard she
>cried.

I'm glad. :)

Pete

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At 04:00 PM 5/21/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>What is going on at Yale?

A bomb went off in the Law School mail room.  Either a misguided terrorist
who thinks that Dubya is still there or someone out to destroy the nest
before they all reproduce.

cwv

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Let's don't knock it. I have just had my trusty 205,000+-mile 1990 minivan
serviced. It is in great shape - except that it will cost more to get the
AC going than I am willing to spend on it. I put in a used compressor last
summer, and it is shot.

Since I am about to buy a condo and have just decided to buy a new
computer, the AC-less minivan will have to keep going for a while.

I love this weather right now. My four back windows are vent windows, and
with those open, driving an AC-less vehicle is not at all oppressive
right now - in fact, it's quite pleasant.

Bethany

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S Hess wrote:

> Anyone read the book? I ought to get a copy from the library.

I haven't, but I knew Richard Ford a little bit in high school.  He was
a year behind me, and my memory of him is therefore very vague (since I
think it's not unusual in hs to remember the people older than you
better than those younger than you -- as in a class ahead of you more
than a class behind you).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Dear Dogs

   When I say to move, it means
   go someplace else, not switch
   positions with each other so there
   are still two dogs in the way.

   The dishes with the paw print are
   yours and contain your food. The
   other dishes are mine and contain
   my food. Please note, placing
   a pawprint in the middle of my
   plate and food does not stake a
   claim for it becoming your food and
   dish, nor do I find that aesthetically
   pleasing in the slightest.

   The stairway was not designed by
   Nascar and is not a racetrack. Beating
   me to the bottom is not the object.
   Tripping me doesn't help, because
   I fall faster than you can run.

   I can not buy anything bigger than
   a king size bed. I am very sorry about this.
   Do not think I will continue to sleep
   on the couch to ensure your comfort.
   Look at videos of dogs sleeping, they
   can actually curl up in a ball. It is not
   necessary to sleep perpendicular to
   each other stretched out to the fullest
   extent possible. I also know that
   sticking tails straight out and having
   tongues hanging out the other end to maximize
   space used is nothing but doggy sarcasm.

   When I am playing the pinball machine,
   jumping up and trying to grab the ball
   through the glass is not helpful. Barking
   at me because I'm not helping you achieve
   your goal does not win you any extra
   brownie points.

   My compact discs are not miniature
   frisbees.

   For the last time, there is not a secret
   exit from the bathroom. If by some miracle
   I beat you there and manage to get the
   door shut, it is not necessary to claw,
   whine, try to turn the knob, or get your
   paw under the edge and try to pull the
   door open. I must exit through the
   same door I entered. In addition, I have
   been using bathrooms for years, canine
   attendance is not mandatory.

   The proper order is kiss me, then go smell
   other dogs butt. I can not stress this
   enough. It would be such a simple change
   for you guys to make.

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        Yes, these are fun.  I threw some up for the kids to diagram,
and it was a kick seeing them try to figure out where to put
stuff.  God, I can't wait for school to be done.  One of my
students painted a mural on my wall (it came out very cool
looking).  I requested that she paint "Abandon All Hope Ye
Who Enter Here" right underneath my clock.  She thought it
was a strange request, but then a few minutes into class I
saw her stare at the clock and this look come over her face
as she understood the evil impulse behind my request.  I'll
probably get in trouble, but it is so worth it.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 1:12:46 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
>>Some cool ambiguous headlines:
>>
>
> Pete, you managed to crack up my client--she laughed so hard she
> cried.
>
>
>>Blind Bishop Appointed To See
>>British Left Waffles on Falkland Island
>>Iraqi Head Seeks Arms
>>Prostitutes Appeal to Pope
>>Teacher Strikes Idle Kids
>>Kids Make Nutritious Snack
>>Juvenile court to try shooting defendant
>>Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
>>Drunk Driver Gets Nine Months in Violin Case
>>Miners Refuse to Work after Death
>>Stolen Painting Found by Tree
>>New Vaccine May Contain Rabies
>>Grandmother of eight makes hole in one
>>Queen Mary having bottom scraped
>>Antique Stripper to Display Wares at Store
>>Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
>>Squad Helps Dog Bite Victim
>>
>
> Karen
>
>


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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Natalie's examples jogged me enough to realize one way to find ambiguous
> sentences in humor collections: Google for e.g., <hilarious headlines>.

I think I've mentioned before that I used to have a collection of
wonderfully ambiguous letters that were supposedly sent to a welfare
office.  I don't know what happened to them.  They're probably long
gone.  (This was way before the days of computers.)

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S Hess wrote:

> website....but I need to know where to install it to on my C:  Do I put it
> in my Canon folder or somewhere else?

It wouldn't matter, would it?

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
> >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
> >it somehow blessed.
>
> You can discuss it while I am gone.
>
> Bethany

Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.
clo

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sandra wrote:

> Thanks! I love it when things are easier than one expects.

I think I remember some anti-XP statements back around the time I
started using XP.  But I have no complaints whatsoever.  I find it quite
<friendly> (though not as good as the plain old DOS days, of course).

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02003-05-21 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 08:34 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >>Does anyone have any good examples of setences that can be interpreted
> >>in more than one way?
> >
> >Flying plans can be dangerous.
>
> ambiguous, no;  nonsensical, yes.

Grammatical, hell no; boring: oh yeah!

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02003-05-20 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> The exercise below is typical:
>
> "Study the following situation and answer the questions on it. What would
> a typical Indian do? What would a typical Westerner do? Why so? Please go
> by your instinct and make a quick choice. This is not a test of your
> ability, knowledge, or moral values. It merely seeks to identity certain
> perceptions. There is no correct answer. Besides, what a typical Indian
> does is not necessarily what you would do in this context. Once you have
> made a choice, share it and your justification with your group. See if you
> can arrive at a consensus.
> Ms JK runs an advertising agency. She signed a contract with Mr ABC, an
> internationally known expert on motivating employees. According to the
> contract she would organize a two-day training programme with him as the
> expert faculty. She would pay him Rs 100,000 plus 50 per cent of the net
> income.
> Totally contrary to her expectations and in spite of vigorous marketing,
> very few people registered for the programme. The net income she got was
> just Rs 82,000 against a projected net income of Rs 250,000-Rs 350,000.
>
> A. Which of the following would Ms JK do if she were a typical Indian?
> Which of the following would Ms JK do if she were a typical Westerner?
> 1. Explain the situation and ask Mr ABC to be content with Rs 41,000, that
> is, 50% of the actual net income.
> 2. Explain the situation and ask Mr ABC to be content with Rs 82,000, the
> entire net income, but well short of the guaranteed minimum.
> 3. Borrow funds and pay up Rs 141,000, the guaranteed minimum. Tough luck!
> B. Which of the following would Mr ABC do if he were a typical Indian?
> Which of the following would Mr ABC do if he were a typical Westerner?
> 1. Ignore the contract and take Rs 41,000, i.e. 50 per cent of the actual
> net income.
> 2. Ignore the contract and take Rs 82,000, the entire net income
> 3. Insist on and get Rs 141,000, the minimum Ms JK is legally bound to
> give."
>
> I have no idea what the answers are.

It's a trick question ... there is no "typical Indian"

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02003-05-20 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> >> there was a rap group named 10-Base T.  Either you get it or you
> >> don't.
> >
> >Damn it! I don't.
> >
> >Marie
>
> No Geek Points for you, young lady!

End it now, "Marie"

By the way, what the hell does "either you get it or you don't"
mean? I think it means "it is what it is".

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I think I've mentioned before that I used to have a collection of
> wonderfully ambiguous letters that were supposedly sent to a welfare
> office.  I don't know what happened to them.  They're probably long
> gone.  (This was way before the days of computers.)
>

<http://www.snopes.com/humor/lists/welfare.htm>
clo

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> I'll be setting nomail this evening later - I have to complete two
> presentations tonight, then pack for a trip to Nashville tomorrow - NAJIT
> (Nat'l Ass'n of Judiciary Interpreters and Translators). I'll be talking
> about Custodial Interrogation and Jury Instructions.
>

Very interesting. Wonder if any of my former colleagues (interpreters for
the Deaf) will be there.

clo

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02003-05-21 | S Hess <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> "Some things can't be explained. They just are. And after a while
> they disappear, usually forever, or become interesting in another way.
> Literature's consolations are always temporary, while life is quick
> to begin again. It is better not even to look so hard, to leave off
> explaining. Nothing makes me more queasy than to spend time with people
> who don't know that and can't forget, and for whom such knowledge
> isn't the cornerstone of life." Richard Ford, "The Sportswriter"

bleet bleet bleet

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > One of my lunch friends just got back from
> > visiting his daughter and grandchild in Austin and mentioned that it had
> > been quite hot there and that he was suffering now from the shock of
> > cold.
>
> Well, you can tell him it's cold now. At 6pm, normally the hottest
> time of day, it's barely 65.

I will tell him tomorrow.  But I have a feeling he's pretty wise to such
weather ways -- that even if he hasn't communicated with his daughter
since his visit, he might know that the weather there has changed.  He
really hates being cold and complains at the coldness of the cafeteria
(the Union food court these days since the cafeteria is closed until
summer school starts), which I find funny since he's a native of
somewhere like upstate NY.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> I wouldn't have hated it otherwise. But Bad Betty does. She said it made her dizzy.

I worry at thoughts of BB's coming into my kitchen and falling into
Spencer's water bowl from dizziness.  Maybe I'll change that flooring
before another fest occurs in Starkville.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Since I am about to buy a condo and have just decided to buy a new
> computer, the AC-less minivan will have to keep going for a while.

I had no a/c in my car when I lived in Knoxville and found that not a
problem at all.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
> as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
> minutes per window.

Do you hire out?  If so, I'd like to hire you if I ever need to install
blinds again.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> A bomb went off in the Law School mail room.  Either a misguided terrorist
> who thinks that Dubya is still there or someone out to destroy the nest
> before they all reproduce.

Or Dubya's daughter?

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This makes me really miss my mother.  I would have printed it and taken
it to her, and she would have loved it, or at least until those last few
weeks when she was declining so rapidly.  As I think I might have
mentioned, even in those declining weeks, she read over and over and
over from a little book I'd given her named something like "Why Dogs Do
What They Do."  She would read it aloud to me when I visited, usually
the same pages over and over.  I've got that book, full of stains and
stuff.  No way would I part with it.  It was in her lap the last time I
saw her before her hospital arrival.

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On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> At 04:00 PM 5/21/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>>What is going on at Yale?

> A bomb went off in the Law School mail room.  Either a misguided terrorist
> who thinks that Dubya is still there or someone out to destroy the nest
> before they all reproduce.

I don't usually think bombings are funny, but LOL...

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   I'll
> probably get in trouble, but it is so worth it.

And you are so much the teacher that every parent should want a teenaged
child to have.  I wish you could metathesize.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> <http://www.snopes.com/humor/lists/welfare.htm>

Thanks, clo!  That's the very list that was floating around via
non-computer ways thirty-plus years ago.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 7:57:11 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>   I'll
>> probably get in trouble, but it is so worth it.

> And you are so much the teacher that every parent should want a teenaged
> child to have.  I wish you could metathesize.

Natalie,

I am seriously worried about your brain.

Karen

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At 07:44 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Marie Ascher wrote:
> > I wouldn't have hated it otherwise. But Bad Betty does. She said it
> made her dizzy.
>
>I worry at thoughts of BB's coming into my kitchen and falling into
>Spencer's water bowl from dizziness.  Maybe I'll change that flooring
>before another fest occurs in Starkville.

Hating it and making me dizzy are two different things.

Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have one
next year.

Betty

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> town -- on the river -- next weekend (with Martin Sexton,
> Branford Marsalis, and Medeski Martin & Wood)

Now THAT should be a good show!

I just got Jian Ghomeshi's 10/27/01 Iron Horse show on videotape today. What
a show! I've only watched half of it, and am saving the other half for
tomorrow.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I had no a/c in my car when I lived in Knoxville and found that not a
>problem at all.

Then we are quite different - I find that sitting in a vehicle stopped in
traffic when the temp is about 90 and the humidity is 80+ is quite a
problem. But I'll endure ...

Bethany

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At 07:54 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > At 04:00 PM 5/21/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
> >>What is going on at Yale?
>
> > A bomb went off in the Law School mail room.  Either a misguided terrorist
> > who thinks that Dubya is still there or someone out to destroy the nest
> > before they all reproduce.
>
>I don't usually think bombings are funny, but LOL...

Nor I.  However, I also see any action that might reduce the number of
lawyers in the world as a net benefit to society.

cwv

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On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>Very interesting. Wonder if any of my former colleagues (interpreters for
>the Deaf) will be there.

Check it out:

http://www.najit.org/Nashville/index.html

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Natalie,
>
> I am seriously worried about your brain.

Me too.  Always.

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Betty wrote:

> Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have one
> next year.

I'm always willing, but it seems a bit early in our history to start
repeating locales.  Why do you wonder if we'll have one next year?  I
wonder at times whether this country will still exist in its present
form in another year.  Is that what you mean?

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At 08:20 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have one
> > next year.
>
>I'm always willing, but it seems a bit early in our history to start
>repeating locales.  Why do you wonder if we'll have one next year?  I
>wonder at times whether this country will still exist in its present
>form in another year.  Is that what you mean?

Plus Rashmi being unemployed.

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Betty wrote:
> > > Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have one
> > > next year.
> >
> >I'm always willing, but it seems a bit early in our history to start
> >repeating locales.  Why do you wonder if we'll have one next year?  I
> >wonder at times whether this country will still exist in its present
> >form in another year.  Is that what you mean?
>
> Plus Rashmi being unemployed.

But she's not yet.  And why would her being unemployed change her status
as our <decider>, even if she were unemployed?  I think she should move
to Starkville and work for either the ERC or the EE Department -- and
declare this the home of the next fest.

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Is there a semioticist in the house?

I know someone looking for a first-rate practitioner (likely concerning
politics).

Pete

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I meant to say last night that I felt somehow <synthesized> with you
when I was watching a scene on the Berkeley campus in "The Graduate"
when my grandfather clock started doing it's thing just as the alleged
Berkeley chimes in the movie were doing their thing.  It was a very
strange auditory experience.  But my clock chimed 9 and the Berkeley
clock 5.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Is there a semioticist in the house?

There used to be, but he left a long time ago -- Price Caldwell.

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At 08:49 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > > > Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have one
> > > > next year.
> > >
> > >I'm always willing, but it seems a bit early in our history to start
> > >repeating locales.  Why do you wonder if we'll have one next year?  I
> > >wonder at times whether this country will still exist in its present
> > >form in another year.  Is that what you mean?
> >
> > Plus Rashmi being unemployed.
>
>But she's not yet.  And why would her being unemployed change her status
>as our <decider>, even if she were unemployed?  I think she should move
>to Starkville and work for either the ERC or the EE Department -- and
>declare this the home of the next fest.

And hopefully she will be employed!  Doesn't she have to go to Namibia with us?

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On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>> On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
>> >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
>> >it somehow blessed.
>>
>> You can discuss it while I am gone.
>>
>> Bethany
>
>Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.

Ah, I knew that you were a person of discretion ...

Bethany

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At 08:53 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I meant to say last night that I felt somehow <synthesized> with you
>when I was watching a scene on the Berkeley campus in "The Graduate"
>when my grandfather clock started doing it's thing just as the alleged
>Berkeley chimes in the movie were doing their thing.  It was a very
>strange auditory experience.  But my clock chimed 9 and the Berkeley
>clock 5.

The Campanile? Some people refer to it as the giant phallic symbol.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> And hopefully she will be employed!  Doesn't she have to go to Namibia with us?

Yes.  When exactly is it that we're going?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:59 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > And hopefully she will be employed!  Doesn't she have to go to Namibia
> with us?
>
>Yes.  When exactly is it that we're going?

Only Rashmi knows. Some time when Rita can go.

Betty

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> The Campanile? Some people refer to it as the giant phallic symbol.

Hey! We have a Campanile in Springfield, too.

http://www.ci.springfield.ma.us/cityhall.htm (the bottom picture)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > One of my lunch friends just got back from
> > > visiting his daughter and grandchild in Austin and mentioned that it had
> > > been quite hot there and that he was suffering now from the shock of
> > > cold.
> >
> > Well, you can tell him it's cold now. At 6pm, normally the hottest
> > time of day, it's barely 65.
>

Threat of frost tonight.
clo

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At 10:03 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > The Campanile? Some people refer to it as the giant phallic symbol.
>
>Hey! We have a Campanile in Springfield, too.
>
>http://www.ci.springfield.ma.us/cityhall.htm (the bottom picture)

Real people play ours.

http://www.berkeley.edu/visitors/campanile.html

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 8:18:04 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Natalie,
>>
>> I am seriously worried about your brain.

> Me too.  Always.

P.S. What would metathesis accomplish for Rita?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Natalie,
> >>
> >> I am seriously worried about your brain.
>
> > Me too.  Always.
>
> P.S. What would metathesis accomplish for Rita?

Well, it might accompish all kinds of wondrous things, but I thought the
braino was obvious -- and that it wasn't about what would be
accomplished for Rita but rather about what she was accomplishing, as
she metastasized.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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----- Original Message -----
From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > No Geek Points for you, young lady!
>
> End it now, "Marie"

End what? My life? My quest for geekdom?

> By the way, what the hell does "either you get it or you don't"
> mean? I think it means "it is what it is".

I think it means I'm a clewless phreeke.

Marie

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From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
> I just got Jian Ghomeshi's 10/27/01 Iron Horse show on videotape
> today. What
> a show! I've only watched half of it, and am saving the other half for
> tomorrow.

What are his solo shows like? I have gone back and forth on him, I really like his voice but he always seemed like the pretty boy poser of the group at the same time. But a likeable poser. But a little self-centered...

Marie

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> By the way, what the hell does "either you get it or you don't"
> mean? I think it means "it is what it is".

Actually, I think it divides people into camps -- more like "you are what you are."

Marie

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> Is there a semioticist in the house?
>
> I know someone looking for a first-rate practitioner (likely concerning
> politics).
>
> Pete

I'm completely against semicolons; they are half-measures.

;)

Sandra

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On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
> > >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
> > >it somehow blessed.
> > You can discuss it while I am gone.
>
> Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.

I insist on this minimal discussion:  As you've probably
inferred, Bethany's vow of celibacy means rather more to her than "giving
up on screwing," and it is characteristically nasty of Natalie (in ways
described by Bonniev, I think, around about when you joined this group) to
ridicule it in this fashion.

Ann

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:34:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Well, it might accompish all kinds of wondrous things, but I thought the
> braino was obvious -- and that it wasn't about what would be
> accomplished for Rita but rather about what she was accomplishing, as
> she metastasized.

M-W defines metastasis as "transfer of a disease-producing agency from
the site of disease to another part of the body". I don't think that
Rita is a disease-producing agency.

Karen

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At 10:15 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:34:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Well, it might accompish all kinds of wondrous things, but I thought the
> > braino was obvious -- and that it wasn't about what would be
> > accomplished for Rita but rather about what she was accomplishing, as
> > she metastasized.
>
>M-W defines metastasis as "transfer of a disease-producing agency from
>the site of disease to another part of the body". I don't think that
>Rita is a disease-producing agency.

I'm not sure.  TB, high blood pressure. . . .

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Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:27:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 10:15 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:34:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Well, it might accompish all kinds of wondrous things, but I thought the
>> > braino was obvious -- and that it wasn't about what would be
>> > accomplished for Rita but rather about what she was accomplishing, as
>> > she metastasized.
>>
>>M-W defines metastasis as "transfer of a disease-producing agency from
>>the site of disease to another part of the body". I don't think that
>>Rita is a disease-producing agency.

> I'm not sure.  TB, high blood pressure. . . .

That's true.

When I first read Natalie's e-mail, I was going to say that we cloned,
because I was thinking more or less the same thing, but then I
realized that what she said made no sense--in either interpretation.
I'm worried about her forgetting what the toaster oven is for.

But at least she'll be able to hide her own Easter eggs.:)

Karen

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> Hey, Bradykins -- You should visit Tupelo on June 7 and see
"Blue Suede
> Shoes in the Hood," a new film about the influence of Shakerag
on Elvis:
>
> http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/comments.php?id=778_0_1_0_C

Thank you, Miss Natalie, for the pointer.  I probably wont be
down there in June unless there's a family emergency, but I
wanted you to know that I have a Walker Evans print of Shakerag
that has been mounted on my wall for many years.  They've redone
the cupola of the Lee County Courthouse, to my consternation.
But life goes on.  The new Tupelo Automobile Museum is well worth
a visit.  They have a Tucker motorcar, one of 50 produced, among
many other gems.  Have I written about this already?  I can get
you a comp to save the $10 admission fee if you will suck up to
me nicely.

I have some Elvis stories too, but am momentarily out of radio
contact.

Do you know what a "doughburger" is?  The latest issue of Oxford
American explores the subtleties.  The doughburger, favored in
Booneville, is ground beef cut with flour and water; the
"slugburger", from Corinth and environs, uses soy meal.  Both a
legacy of WWI and the Depression.

I had a doughburger at Johnnie's BBQ in East Tupelo on my last
visit.  Which brings us back to Elvis, bless his heart.....

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In a message dated 05/21/2003 10:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
bogris01@NETZERO.NET writes:

<<
the
"slugburger", from Corinth and environs, uses soy meal.  Both a
legacy of WWI and the Depression.

>>

Back in the Seventies, when there was a hefty rise in the price of
beef, there was a soy extension product for ground beef.  One
would mix the soy meal with water, and then mix it with the
hamburger.  Is the slugburger anything like this?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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02003-05-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
> > > >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
> > > >it somehow blessed.
> > > You can discuss it while I am gone.
> >
> > Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.
>
> I insist on this minimal discussion:  As you've probably
> inferred, Bethany's vow of celibacy means rather more to her than "giving
> up on screwing," and it is characteristically nasty of Natalie (in ways
> described by Bonniev, I think, around about when you joined this group) to
> ridicule it in this fashion.

Huh? I don't see any ridicule in the remark.

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> Huh? I don't see any ridicule in the remark.

ha ha ha ha almost got me there, Samant.

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What does one do with a broken piece of antique pressed glass? Just toss it? It was my grandmother's. But it's no good for anything now. Help please.

-a

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At 10:55 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>What does one do with a broken piece of antique pressed glass? Just toss
>it? It was my grandmother's. But it's no good for anything now. Help please.

Don't toss it!  People do things with broken glass.  Lots of artsy stuff. A
woman at work was just asking for old glass for a class she is taking.  I'm
sure something special can be done with it.

Betty

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There is another plant I haven't actually identified -- Jeff told me what
it was when he shoved it in the plastic bag but I forget, Alyce had
specifically sent him to search for this thing -- which has also started to
bloom interesting yellow flowers.
Marie
-----------------------

Marie,

I believe the plant in question is a variety of Euphorbia. It has a woody
root and the tips of the leaves turn a brilliant yellow, resembling
flowers. I was trying to find a picture of it on the web, but discovered
there are more than 2,000 species of Euphorbia, ranging from annual weeds
to trees. A significant percentage is succulent, and they mostly originate
in Africa and Madagascar. They are named after a Greek surgeon called
Euphorbus. He was physician of Juba II who was the Romanised king of a
North African kingdom, and is supposed to have used their milky latex as an
ingredient for his potions.

Jeff

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> At 10:55 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> >What does one do with a broken piece of antique pressed glass? Just toss
> >it? It was my grandmother's. But it's no good for anything now.
> Help please.
>
> Don't toss it!  People do things with broken glass.  Lots of
> artsy stuff. A
> woman at work was just asking for old glass for a class she is
> taking.  I'm
> sure something special can be done with it.
>
> Betty


How big is it?

Sandra

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I'll admit to being in Reuben's corner. I'm glad he won. I can't imagine how
wonderful it must feel to be able to sing as well as any of the finalists.

Sandra

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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:59:10 AM, steph wrote:
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:55:14 AM, steph wrote:
= = >> again, all around:
= = >> = Jim:
= = = >>> I still don't get it.
= = >> =
= = >> = "It's hard to recognize speech."
= = >> =
= > =
= = >> ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"
= > =
= = >> guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?
= > =
= > = Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!
= > =
= > = Karen
=
= > I do, actually.
=
= Then it's not ambiguous.
=
= Karen

I never said it was.  I was looking for something that went with
"It's hard to wreck a nice beach", not the original.

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10:13 21.05.2003 -0500 skrev again, all around:
>> My Dragon Naturally Speaking does a good job.
>
>Is it really faster than typing for most
>things?  What kinds of things do you use
>it for?
>
>> Why were you doing speech perception?
>
>I was getting a degree with a concentration
>in artificial intelligence (remember that
>term?), and that was part of the curriculum.

I have taught Introduction to AI for students of Linguistics (going towards Comp. Linguistics) many years ago.

Espen

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10:56 21.05.2003 -0500 skrev Karen Kay:
>Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 10:55:14 AM, steph wrote:
>> again, all around:
>> = Jim:
>= >> I still don't get it.
>> =
>> = "It's hard to recognize speech."
>> =
>
>> ah, I went for "It's hard to rack a nice bitch"
>
>> guess I've been listening to Juan a bit too much?
>
>Do none of you pronounce the 'g'? Am I the only one in the world?!

No, but I don't count since I use E as a SL.

Espen

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09:43 21.05.2003 -0700 skrev Doris Markland:
>The good news, after a week of testing,
>is that Gene is having open heart surgery
>tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
>put in a new valve and do one bypass.

Good!

>The bad news is that my whole way of life
>will change, as I learn how to become a
>fulltime nurse and also learn how to cook
>heart healthy menus and figure out how I'm
>going to leave him to go to the store, etc.
>I've had a lot of help here at the hospital
>(family) but won't have help after I'm home,
>except that I may be able to get some home
>health nursing for a few days.
>
>The upshot is that I won't be online very
>much.
>
>Will check in once in a while.

I wish you both a good future!

espen

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HB Gene!
Doris, our thoughts are with you both.
clo

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On Wed, 21 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> So why aren't all screws like sheetrock screws?  Why do they make other
> screws so much harder to screw?

The answer is, different screws are used in different ways and places.
Sheetrock screws can't hold much except at their tip. Sheetmetal screws,
on the other hand, carry all the weight and torque in the threads near the
head. Wood screws of different types work better on hard or soft woods,
and have pointy tips because they do their own drilling. They increase in
size because the drilling process weakens the connection to the wood. So
each turn is enlarging the hole, while increasing the bite on the wood.
Metal screws don't, because they fit through pre-drilled holes of a
pre-determined size.

Philips head screws are strippable when you put pressure on them because
they are intended for use in materials or locations that can't handle a
lot of pressure. Having a delicate head keeps people from misusing them.

I had to learn quite a lot about screws in order to find a replacement for
a slotted screw for an antique sewing machine once. It was enlightening.

Hope this is helpful.
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
>>as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
>>minutes per window.
>>
>
> Do you hire out?  If so, I'd like to hire you if I ever need to install
> blinds again.


        Nah, you're all set after you do it once -- you just stick
the new blinds in the existing brackets.  At least that's
what I do every time Belle eats some blinds.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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bogris01 wrote:

> > http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/comments.php?id=778_0_1_0_C
>
> Thank you, Miss Natalie, for the pointer.  I probably wont be
> down there in June unless there's a family emergency, but I
> wanted you to know that I have a Walker Evans print of Shakerag

I am glad I pointed you to the url since it brought you out of lurkdom
briefly.  And that is always a happy moment.

> Do you know what a "doughburger" is?  The latest issue of Oxford
> American explores the subtleties.  The doughburger, favored in
> Booneville, is ground beef cut with flour and water; the

I was not aware of doughburgers, but they sound pretty good to me since
I prefer flour to beef.  Have they figured out how that Canadian cow
happened to go mad, btw?

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
> > > >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
> > > >it somehow blessed.
> > > You can discuss it while I am gone.
> >
> > Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.
>
> I insist on this minimal discussion:  As you've probably
> inferred, Bethany's vow of celibacy means rather more to her than "giving
> up on screwing," and it is characteristically nasty of Natalie (in ways
> described by Bonniev, I think, around about when you joined this group) to
> ridicule it in this fashion.

Ridicule it?  If that is ridicule, then ridicule is part of my <essence>
and cannot be controlled.  I was unaware of ridiculing anything.  I was
aware only of the punning.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:34:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Well, it might accompish all kinds of wondrous things, but I thought the
> > braino was obvious -- and that it wasn't about what would be
> > accomplished for Rita but rather about what she was accomplishing, as
> > she metastasized.
>
> M-W defines metastasis as "transfer of a disease-producing agency from
> the site of disease to another part of the body". I don't think that
> Rita is a disease-producing agency.

Would mitosis be more appropriate than metastasis?  I don't know exactly
what they are except that they're stuck in my head as being some kind of
spreading through cell-division.

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Rita Chapman:
= I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
= as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
= minutes per window.
=
Thank you.  What amazes me is that Nat will undertake bathroom
projects I would never go near and then have such failure with
mini-blinds.


= Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= >Karen Kay wrote:
= >
= >>Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 11:20:21 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >>
= >>>Aha.  I just found a switch on the drill that I bet changes the
= >>>direction the bit turns.  But it didn't help solve the problem, alas,
= >>>since it still just pops around, popping in the opposite direction
= >>>presumably but not affecting the screw (except battering its head) since
= >>>it's just jumping around on top, not getting into the indentions.
= >>>
= >>Are you sure you have it in straight?
= >>
= >
= >Yes, but much has happened since then.  Right after I wrote the above, I
= >went on to campus to go to the p.o. and eat lunch.  (At lunch my friends
= >said that curtains and shades are fine for do-it-yourselfers but that
= >blinds are better left to professionals.  But we were missing a couple
= >of people today who are big into do-it-yourselfing and would probably
= >not have agreed with that.  One of them bought a run-down duplex in New
= >Orleans a couple of years ago and redid it all himself -- which is where
= >he is right now -- he and his wife keep one side of the duplex for
= >themselves and rent out the other side -- they're both from NO and go
= >there often to visit family and friends.)
= >
= >Ok, so I came home fed and socialized, two important things -- which is
= >why I will continue forever eating lunch on campus, retired or not.  In
= >examining the stuck screw, I noticed that the grooves in its head were
= >totally gone -- that just a hole was there.  I had used the sheetrock
= >screw my neighbor gave me to go up into the wood pretty far, then pulled
= >it out and tried to screw in one of the regular screws.  The problem is
= >that the regular screws' grooves are too small for the drill's
= >screwdriver bit.  The bit fits the sheetrock screws (of which I bought a
= >bunch when I bought the bit) better.  So I decided to hammer the
= >head-holy screw into the wood far enough to enable me to use it.  Then I
= >managed to get the other bracket up with the sheetrock screws.  (This
= >was the narrow window -- the one that required just two brackets -- the
= >other two windows required three each.)  Alas, when I went to try to
= >hang the blinds, I discovered that both brackets had to be moved since
= >they interfered with the working of the blinds.  Trying to get the
= >hammered, holy screw out was a two-hour task.  I finally managed with a
= >combination of hammer (the nail-puller-outer part), pliers, and pulling
= >off a chunk of the window frame.  I managed not to break the window,
= >though I came very close many times.  Then, sticking to the sheetrock
= >screws, I managed to finish the whole project.  My arm is aching from
= >the drill-holding, but that's ok.
= >
= >So why aren't all screws like sheetrock screws?  Why do they make other
= >screws so much harder to screw?
= >
= >End of story is that I will never attempt to hang blinds again.  As my
= >lunch friends said today, shades and curtains yes, blinds no.
= >
= >--
= > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
= >    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
= >
= >
=
=
= --
= Rita Rouvalis Chapman
= rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
= http://www.etext.org/~rita
=

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Karen Kay wrote:

> When I first read Natalie's e-mail, I was going to say that we cloned,
> because I was thinking more or less the same thing, but then I
> realized that what she said made no sense--in either interpretation.
> I'm worried about her forgetting what the toaster oven is for.

Certainly metathesis doesn't make much sense, though it's always kind of
fun to figure out strange ways it could be applied.  Metathesis was a
simple wordo.  But the intended metastasis does make sense to me --
spreading.

I have two toaster ovens.  Maybe I'll remember what one of them is for,
which will get me through at least some cooking tasks.

> But at least she'll be able to hide her own Easter eggs.:)

But will I find them?  And will I know how to dye them before hiding
them?  Can an undyed egg be an Easter egg?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > ridicule it in this fashion.
>
> Huh? I don't see any ridicule in the remark.

Whew.  Seriously.

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Anne Toal wrote:
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> What does one do with a broken piece of antique pressed glass? Just toss it? It was my grandmother's. But it's no good for anything now. Help please.

I have the pieces of the cup I bought in Nagasaki on display on a shelf
-- the smaller slivers sitting inside the only piece large enough to
hold the small pieces.  No way was I going to throw it away after the
painters broke it.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > and there was an oral exam in
> > English, too, for which he got the maximum number of points and the best mark.
>
> I bet his mother was a good influence (not that I've heard your oral
> English, but I have a feeling it's excellent).

:) Nice to read it. Still, I guess, his is better. There are things I may *know*
better but he feels more free when speaking, and has more practice, too. And he is
good at imitating regional or social varieties of pronunciation -- it is funny when
he does it.

Kr.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Sheetrock screws can't hold much except at their tip.

Hmm.  Both the neighbor who recommended them and the
building-supply-store person who sold them to me assured me that they
would hold just as well as the screws that came with the blinds.

> Philips head screws are strippable when you put pressure on them because
> they are intended for use in materials or locations that can't handle a
> lot of pressure. Having a delicate head keeps people from misusing them.

What does this mean -- the part about materials and locations that can't
handle a lot of pressure?  It seems to me that most screws I deal with
are philips head.  And certainly quite a bit of pressure was required
for yesterday's task.  (Both the screws that came with the blinds and
the sheetrock screws I bought are philips.)

> Hope this is helpful.

Yes.  Interesting stuff.  I knew about metal screws vs wood screws, of
course, but not about philips vs non-philips, etc.

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steph wrote:
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> Rita Chapman:
> = I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
> = as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
> = minutes per window.
> =
> Thank you.

I have great respect for Rita's abilities, but I really would like to
have watched her install these blinds in a few minutes per window.  I
could charge admission for that Ripley's Believe It Or Not show and make
big money.

> What amazes me is that Nat will undertake bathroom
> projects I would never go near and then have such failure with
> mini-blinds.

I feel happy that my lunch group thinks my failure normal for amateurs
with blind-hangings.  Also, I saw my neighbor late yesterday, he who is
a full-time handy man (owns a bunch of rental property and spends most
of his time working on it -- also hires out to do various odd jobs and
buys old houses and renovates them himself).  When I told him that I had
finally gotten the miniblinds up but that it had taken all day, he
nodded and said that there was nothing he hated more in life than
installing blinds -- that it was a horrible task and took forever.  He
was happy I'd gotten them up since he knew I was going to hire him to do
it otherwise.  He would be fascinated by Rita's skills.

But what bathroom projects?  I don't do plumbing, except for tiny
anybody-can-do-it stuff like replacing parts of toilet flushers etc.

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steph wrote:
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> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-05-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> = > On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> = > > > >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
> = > > > >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
> = > > > >it somehow blessed.
> = > > > You can discuss it while I am gone.
> = > >
> = > > Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.
> = >
> = > I insist on this minimal discussion:  As you've probably
> = > inferred, Bethany's vow of celibacy means rather more to her than "giving
> = > up on screwing," and it is characteristically nasty of Natalie (in ways
> = > described by Bonniev, I think, around about when you joined this group) to
> = > ridicule it in this fashion.
> =
> = Huh? I don't see any ridicule in the remark.
>
> Doesn't the nastiness imply the ridicule?

Yes, if it was nasty.  I don't see anything nasty about what I said.
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Nah, you're all set after you do it once -- you just stick
> the new blinds in the existing brackets.  At least that's
> what I do every time Belle eats some blinds.

This assumes that you always buy the same style blinds.  The blinds I
took down before putting these up had totally different kinds of
brackets -- brackets screwed to the sides of the windowframes.  The old
brackets are now out on my curb in today's outgoing garbage bag.

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On Thu, 22 May 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>
 > :) Nice to read it. Still, I guess, his is better. There are things I
> may *know*
>  better but he feels more free when speaking, and has more practice,
> too. And he is
>  good at imitating regional or social varieties of pronunciation -- it
> is funny when
> he does it.
>
> Kr.
>

Sounds like a lot of fun. Congrats to him, and congrats to you on raising
him.
clo

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On Thu, 22 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > Sheetrock screws can't hold much except at their tip.
>
> Hmm.  Both the neighbor who recommended them and the
> building-supply-store person who sold them to me assured me that they
> would hold just as well as the screws that came with the blinds.

That is to say, the nature of sheetrock is that it doesn't hold its own
weight - the screw goes through the center, but holds the paper covering
snug against the wall - the weight is resting on the parts of the screw
that are in the actual wall.


> > Philips head screws are strippable when you put pressure on them because
> > they are intended for use in materials or locations that can't handle a
> > lot of pressure. Having a delicate head keeps people from misusing them.
>
> What does this mean -- the part about materials and locations that can't
> handle a lot of pressure?  It seems to me that most screws I deal with
> are philips head.

The philips head screw is quite popular now because of the use of electric
screwdrivers - they can be gripped easily by the bit, making a start
easier, and the stripping helps compensate for the fact that the tool uses
so much more torque than a human arm applies. If you could just keep on
going, you might easily wind up with a screwhead-sized hole that was 1/4
inch or so deep before you could get the thing disengaged, in a softer
material.

By the way, you probably had so much trouble either because there was
another nail underneath or because the window casing was of a hard, tight
wood. I have found that a couple of times, trying to put things up -
different woods on different windows, some of them seemingly rock-like in
their resistance to nails.

Sorry I was unavailable to be helpful when it would have been useful - I
could have supplied some tips. One is to drill a hole, smaller than the
screw, so that the screw isn't doing all the work. There are others.

> And certainly quite a bit of pressure was required
> for yesterday's task.  (Both the screws that came with the blinds and
> the sheetrock screws I bought are philips.)

Yes, but those screws were both made for use in a generic kind of material
softer than the actual wood of the particular casement you were dealing
with. And note that one of the screws did end up stripped.

clo

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I won.   I won!   There is a pretty little Royal Doulton Biltmore cream
pitcher winging its way to me from Stoke on Trent, England.   YaY !

    --bonniev

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02003-05-21 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > By the way, what the hell does "either you get it or you don't"
> > mean? I think it means "it is what it is".
>
> Actually, I think it divides people into camps -- more like
> "you are what you are."

Dividing people is mean, and you know mean people suck ... I think
we should go back to the clewless phreeke interpretation, because
you obviously are one!

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 7:12:52 AM, bonniev wrote:
> I won.   I won!   There is a pretty little Royal Doulton Biltmore cream
> pitcher winging its way to me from Stoke on Trent, England.   YaY !

And thus it starts...

Karen

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>But what bathroom projects?  I don't do plumbing, except for tiny
>anybody-can-do-it stuff like replacing parts of toilet flushers etc.
>-- Natalie

Did you not remove a toilet and put in the tub where it sat through some
huge party you threw?


    --bonniev

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>Thursday, May 22, 2003, 7:12:52 AM, bonniev wrote:
> > I won.   I won!   There is a pretty little Royal Doulton Biltmore cream
> > pitcher winging its way to me from Stoke on Trent, England.   YaY !
>
>And thus it starts...
>Karen

Now I'll have a little (1) after my name instead of a (0).  I lost the
other auction only because no one met the reserve price.  It was for the
covered sugar bowl.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-05-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
= > On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
= > > > >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
= > > > >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
= > > > >it somehow blessed.
= > > > You can discuss it while I am gone.
= > >
= > > Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.
= >
= > I insist on this minimal discussion:  As you've probably
= > inferred, Bethany's vow of celibacy means rather more to her than "giving
= > up on screwing," and it is characteristically nasty of Natalie (in ways
= > described by Bonniev, I think, around about when you joined this group) to
= > ridicule it in this fashion.
=
= Huh? I don't see any ridicule in the remark.

Doesn't the nastiness imply the ridicule?

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There's a story about Dubya's crotch in The Village Voice:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0321/goldstein.php

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> That is to say, the nature of sheetrock is that it doesn't hold its own
> weight - the screw goes through the center, but holds the paper covering
> snug against the wall - the weight is resting on the parts of the screw
> that are in the actual wall.

Ah so.  That makes sense.

> wood. I have found that a couple of times, trying to put things up -
> different woods on different windows, some of them seemingly rock-like in
> their resistance to nails.

Yes, the wood was hard in all places, but it was less hard in some
places than in others.

> could have supplied some tips. One is to drill a hole, smaller than the
> screw, so that the screw isn't doing all the work.

I definitely did the starter-hole thing.  No way could I have done the
screwing otherwise.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >But what bathroom projects?  I don't do plumbing, except for tiny
> >anybody-can-do-it stuff like replacing parts of toilet flushers etc.
> >-- Natalie
>
> Did you not remove a toilet and put in the tub where it sat through some
> huge party you threw?

No, I hired somebody to remove the toilet and put it in the tub, where
it sat for many, many months while I ripped up flooring.  Then I hired
somebody to pick the toilet up out of the tub and put it back in its
<proper place>.

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> There's a story about Dubya's crotch in The Village Voice:
>
> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0321/goldstein.php
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

very revealing


BrP

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At 09:26 AM 5/22/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > There's a story about Dubya's crotch in The Village Voice:
> >
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0321/goldstein.php
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>very revealing

Huh huh huh he said, "sock job", huh huh huh.

lisa


>BrP

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At 09:53 PM 5/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I'll admit to being in Reuben's corner. I'm glad he won. I can't imagine how
>wonderful it must feel to be able to sing as well as any of the finalists.
>
>Sandra

Rooooo -ben!

lisa
who knows what a lame ass loser she is for watching the show but Tina made,
me.. I swear!

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At 10:07 AM 5/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> > > There's a story about Dubya's crotch in The Village Voice:
> > >
> > > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0321/goldstein.php
> > >
>
>Looks like a camel toe to me.
>clo

Bush = camel toe.

lisa

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02003-05-22 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> lisa
> who knows what a lame ass loser she is for watching the show but Tina made,
> me.. I swear!

That doesn't neutralize the loserhood, in case you were wondering...

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02003-05-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, May 22, 2003, 5:55:00 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         In an essay, one of my students called me a rosey-cheeked
> > Venus Fly Trap; I really enjoyed that.
>
> If Tushar uses this as a term of endearment, I'm puking.

What's any of this got to do with me?

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>Place it on the nearest beach.  Some one will be ecstatic at finding a rare
>gem of sea glass.

And all this time I've been wondering who's been littering up the beach with
pieces of broken glass. It's louts like you that force the rest of us to
wear shoes in the water!

-aht

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> 09:43 21.05.2003 -0700 skrev Doris Markland:
> >The good news, after a week of testing,
> >is that Gene is having open heart surgery
> >tomorrow . . on his birthday.  They will
> >put in a new valve and do one bypass.

Sending you and Gene the best vibes SF has to offer :)

Sandra

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> I was not aware of doughburgers, but they sound pretty good to me since
> I prefer flour to beef.  Have they figured out how that Canadian cow
> happened to go mad, btw?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I prefer doughnuts.

Sandra

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>What does one do with a broken piece of antique pressed glass? Just toss
>it? It was my grandmother's. But it's no good for anything now. Help please.
>-a

Place it on the nearest beach.  Some one will be ecstatic at finding a rare
gem of sea glass.


    --bonniev

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> I have two toaster ovens.  Maybe I'll remember what one of them is for,
> which will get me through at least some cooking tasks.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Speaking of appliances....would any local Wordsler like a twice-utilized
Cuisinart Ice Cream Maker? It's a couple years old but in prime condition
and I have the booklet that came with it. I paid $60 for it, but it can be
yours for smile. It just doesn't make sense for a family of one.

Sandra

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> I won.   I won!   There is a pretty little Royal Doulton Biltmore cream
> pitcher winging its way to me from Stoke on Trent, England.   YaY !
>
>     --bonniev


eBay is a slippery slope.

Sandra
who knows....

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In a message dated 05/22/2003 10:43:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
I prefer doughnuts.

>>

Chocolate covered and creme filled.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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>From :FRANCIS SULEJA
tell.0022507501876
Abidjan, Cote d` Ivoire
West Africa.

Attn,CEO JMCN

I know this message will come to you as a suprise,
I am FRANCIS SULEJA, the first child and
only son of late Chief JOSEPH ALFRED SULEJA from
Sierra-Leone. I am writing you in confidence to seek
your co-operation to transfer our inherited sum of 19
Million United Stated Dollars presently in the custody
of bank here in Abidjan Cote Ivoire,
to your private account pending our arrival to your
country.
SOURCE OF THE FUND
My late father, Chief Joseph Alfred SULEJA was the
General Manager of Sierra Leone Mining Corporation
(S.L.M.C),Freetown. The money was miscellaneous income
from mining activities. Before the civil war between
the rebel forces of Major Paul Koromah and ECOMOG
Peace-Keeping Forces and forces loyal to President
Ahmed Tejan Kabbah, my father had already made
arrangement for my mother, my younger sister PEACE
and I to be evacuated to Abidjan, Cote d` Ivoire,He deposited the money


here in Abidjan, Cote d`Ivoire
for safe custody until after the war when he planned
to join us.Following the indiscriminate looting of private and
government properties by the rebel forces the
Sierra-Leone Mining Corporation was looted an
destroyed. My father and some other top government
functionaries were killed by the rebels because of
their loyalty to the President. The death of my father
caused our mother heart failure which resulted in her
sudden death in a hospital after we had spent a lot
of money.
Now, my younger sister and I are like ophans in a
strange country suffering ,without anybody to care for
us. We are like refugees and orphans. Our only hope
now lies on the money deposited in the bank.
To this effect, I humbly asking you for help in the
following ways :

2. To transfer this money in your name to your country
and make a good arrangement for a joint business
investment on our behalf, with you as the custodian,

3. To secure a school for my younger brother and
I,for us t
ducation,

All necessary documents issued to my late father atthe time of deposit are with me For your assistance,
PEACE and I have decided to let you have 15% of themoney If you are interested in offering thisassistance to us,please kindly get in touch with me by
e-mail or you can, call me on this 42 for a better explanation.

Best regards,
FRANCIS SULEJA AND SISTER

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I remember seeing kits that one could use to turn bottles into glasses.
They came with a cutting tool and several grades of sandpaper.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> I remember seeing kits that one could use to turn bottles into glasses.
> They came with a cutting tool and several grades of sandpaper.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

Had one! Being a teen in SF, owning one of those was right in line with
using wine bottles as a candleholder. And all the pretty drippiness. Maybe
we were all discovering cheap european wine (or our parents were) and needed
to do something with all those bottles.

Sandra

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>I remember seeing kits that one could use to turn bottles into glasses.
>They came with a cutting tool and several grades of sandpaper.

We had one when we were kids, and had a great time with it.

Pete

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> Dividing people is mean, and you know mean people suck ... I think
> we should go back to the clewless phreeke interpretation, because
> you obviously are one!

That's mean!

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In a message dated 05/22/2003 10:59:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
Had one! Being a teen in SF, owning one of those was right in line with
using wine bottles as a candleholder.
>>

I wonder if they still make those kits.  Probably not.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> I believe the plant in question is a variety of Euphorbia. It has
> a woody
> root and the tips of the leaves turn a brilliant yellow, resembling
> flowers.

Yes, that's it!
I think it might be this one? http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/Detail/01293.html
Although my leaves/flowers haven't yet "unfurl"ed in such a "dramatic fashion"!

> Euphorbus. He was physician of Juba II who was the Romanised king
> of a North African kingdom, and is supposed to have used their milky
> latex as an ingredient for his potions.

Interesting, thanks. I see it is still considered usefull as an expectorant, and for asthma and bronchitis.

Marie

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Use it in a mosaic.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:55 pm
Subject: broken antique glass

> What does one do with a broken piece of antique pressed glass?
> Just toss it? It was my grandmother's. But it's no good for
> anything now. Help please.
>
> -a
>

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Evelyn Duncan writes,

>I wonder if they still make those kits.  Probably not.

Looks like they still do; here are a couple:

http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=2055&PRODID=10535
http://www.glassmart.com/ebc.asp
http://www.e-pastimes.co.uk/acatalog/e_pastimes_Bottle_Cutting_145.html

Pete

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > Rita Chapman:
= > = I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
= > = as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
= > = minutes per window.
= > =
= > Thank you.
=
= I have great respect for Rita's abilities, but I really would like to
= have watched her install these blinds in a few minutes per window.  I
= could charge admission for that Ripley's Believe It Or Not show and make
= big money.
=
= > What amazes me is that Nat will undertake bathroom
= > projects I would never go near and then have such failure with
= > mini-blinds.
=
= I feel happy that my lunch group thinks my failure normal for amateurs
= with blind-hangings.  Also, I saw my neighbor late yesterday, he who is
= a full-time handy man (owns a bunch of rental property and spends most
= of his time working on it -- also hires out to do various odd jobs and
= buys old houses and renovates them himself).  When I told him that I had
= finally gotten the miniblinds up but that it had taken all day, he
= nodded and said that there was nothing he hated more in life than
= installing blinds -- that it was a horrible task and took forever.  He
= was happy I'd gotten them up since he knew I was going to hire him to do
= it otherwise.  He would be fascinated by Rita's skills.
=

I dunno.  I have lots of mini blinds, and they're just not a big
deal.  It took us an hour to hang six blinds at the apartment.
Three of them we needed to get up on the ladder for, too.

= But what bathroom projects?  I don't do plumbing, except for tiny
= anybody-can-do-it stuff like replacing parts of toilet flushers etc.

You tore out a whole toilet, didn't you?

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-05-21 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
= > = > On Wed, 21 May 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
= > = > > > >You weren't here when Bethany announced that she was giving up on
= > = > > > >screwing and was even telling her priest about her decision and having
= > = > > > >it somehow blessed.
= > = > > > You can discuss it while I am gone.
= > = > >
= > = > > Thanks, I pass. It's nice to have the reference point, though.
= > = >
= > = > I insist on this minimal discussion:  As you've probably
= > = > inferred, Bethany's vow of celibacy means rather more to her than "giving
= > = > up on screwing," and it is characteristically nasty of Natalie (in ways
= > = > described by Bonniev, I think, around about when you joined this group) to
= > = > ridicule it in this fashion.
= > =
= > = Huh? I don't see any ridicule in the remark.
= >
= > Doesn't the nastiness imply the ridicule?
=
= Yes, if it was nasty.  I don't see anything nasty about what I said.

As usual.

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<center><b><font color="#FFCC00"><font size=+3>Prague Festival Dance Prize
2003</font></font></b></center>
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<center><b><font color="#FFFFFF"><font size=+3>&amp;</font></font></b></center>
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<center><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+4>Dance Grand Prix "Italia"
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+3>which will be heldeld in Italy
from 19th to 24th June 2003</font></font></b></center>
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<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>the WARM UP TIME!!</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+2>the upcoming <i>W</i>ORL<i>D</i>ANC<i>E</i>VENT</font><font size=+1>...
</font><font size=+2>like
no other</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>IS ARRIVING!</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>ARE YOU READY FOR THIS??</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+3>International Event CompetitionforBallet, Contemporary,
Modern,</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>Hip Hop, Latin, Swing, Folk, Tap,</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>Schools, Companies and Dance-Theatrical Educational
Institutes.</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>AWAITING the SPRINGTIME for the
UPCOMING</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><i><font size=+4>E</font></i><font size=+3>ASTER
and </font><i><font size=+4>S</font></i><font size=+3>UMMER </font><i><font size=+4>D</font></i><font size=+3>ANC</font><i><font size=+4>E</font></i><font size=+3>VENT</font><i><font size=+4>S</font></i><font size=+3>!!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>You can book the LAST places
for your dancegroup to participate!!</font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><u><font color="#000000"><font size=+4>Follow our instructions to
contact us by fax and e.mail</font></font></u></b>
<br><b><font size=+4><u><font color="#000000">or search our web address
with all info and e.mails on the most important Search Engine under "</font></u><font color="#3366FF">dancefestival</font><u><font color="#000000">"
or "</font></u><font color="#FF6600">praguefestival</font><u><font color="#000000">"</font></u></font></b>
<br><b><u><font color="#000000"><font size=+4>and you will find our e.mail
address</font></font></u></b>
<p><b><font size=+4>AND FAX YOUR REQUEST of info to</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+4>&lt;0039054751299></font></b>
<br><b><font size=+1><font color="#000000">E-MAIL info &lt;cesena</font>festival@supereva.it<font color="#000000">></font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>DANCERS, CHOREOGRAPHERS, DANCESTUDENTS,
DANCELOVERS:</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>PREPARE YOURSELF TO ENTER IN
THE</font></font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>D</font></font><font size=+3>ANCEFESTIVAL</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S</font></font><font size=+3>EASON</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>2</font></font><font size=+3>00</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>3</font></font><font size=+3>,</font></i></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>THE MOST FAMOUS DANCE THEATRE</font></font></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>"H</font></font><font size=+3>ALL
OF </font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>F</font></font><font size=+3>AME
</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>A</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=+3>WARD</font></font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S"</font></font></i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>IN
THE </font><i><font size=+4>W</font></i></font><font size=+2><i><font color="#000000">ORLD</font></i><font color="#FF0000">:</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FFCC00"><font size=+3>DANCE GRAND PRIX AWARD history:</font></font></b></center>

<p><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1998 - "Centro Studio Danza e
Movimento"</font><font size=+3> FLORENCE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1999 - "Il Balletto" CastelFranco
Veneto </font><font size=+3>VENICE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2000 - "Academy for Performing
Arts" </font><font size=+3>HONG KONG - CHINA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2001 - "Uai Qi Dan&ccedil;a"
</font><font size=+3>FORTALEZA
- BRAZIL</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- "Ballet Folklorico Mexicano" </font><font size=+3>CANCUN - MEXICO</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2002 - "Elta Dance Company"
</font><font size=+3>LIPSEKT
- RUSSIA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-&nbsp; "Skip Entertainment"</font><font size=+3> GUAM - USA</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#000099"><font size=+3>in the Prague Festival 2003 DANCE
GRAND PRIX AWARD to:</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#000099"><font size=+4>KASAI DANCING COMPANY - JAPAN</font></font></b>
<center>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>and in the next Italy Dance Event
from the 21th to 24th June 2003 this prestigious AWARD....</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>MAYBE YOUR DANCEGROUP!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<br><img SRC="http://cesenafestival.supereva.it/elta-coppasf.jpg" NOSAVE height=320 width=420>
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><font size=+2>The deadline to register your group for this incredible
opportunity is the 15 May!!!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+1>A meeting of dancers, dancelovers,
amateurs and audience&nbsp; from all the five continents</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+2>All the subject of Therpsichore Art will be in competition</font></b>
<p><b><font size=+2>All the languages in the dressing-rooms of our stages</font></b>
<br>
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<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>And during the&nbsp; PRAGUE FESTIVAL
2003:</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>THE SPECIAL AWARD CAREER</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>TO</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>one of the&nbsp; "DANCE CONTEMPORARY
US. STAR":</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>Mrs. MONIQUE MELTON</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>STAR of the AMERICAN BALLET</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>&amp;</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#999900"><font size=+3>DIRECTOR of METROPOLITAN BALLET
COMPANY</font></font></b>
<br>
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<blockquote>
<center><b><font size=+2>These are&nbsp; the&nbsp; "</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>W</font></font></i><font size=+2>ORL</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>D</font></font></i><font size=+2>ANC</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>E</font></font></i><font size=+2>VENT</font><i><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+3>S</font></font></i><font size=+2>"</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>FESTIVAL COMPETITIONS !</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Our Organizzation has over 10 years of group and educational
events experience.</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Do not risk the success of your performing groups
with other Companies without our theatrical experience!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#3366FF"><font size=+4>Ask &amp; compare!</font></font></b>
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<center><b><font color="#CC0000"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
If you require any kind of information about our organization I can provide
you with the e-mail and post address of many&nbsp; previous participants
from all over the world</font></font></b></center>

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<br><b><font color="#000000"><font size=+2>The Best Things Happen While
You're Dancing</font></font></b></center>

<hr WIDTH="100%"></blockquote>
<b><i><font size=+2>your group will dance and compete in a spirit of friendly
in the biggest meeting of WorlDance in europe this seasons and</font></i></b>
<p><font size=+4><b><i>G</i><font color="#FF0000">o</font></b><i>o<b><font color="#3333FF">D</font></b></i>a<b><i><font color="#FF0000">n</font></i></b>c<b><i><font color="#3333FF">E</font></i></b></font>
<p><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>SEE YOU IN&nbsp; our dance
floors......</font></font></i></b>
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<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+3>...where everyone is in the Spotlight!</font></font></b></center>

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<p><b><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>please, if you are interested,
don't hesitate to ask us the advertising materials and we will send to
you the free on charges info pachage with the new brochures (with the FEE
of PARTICIPATION and EACH OTHER INFO YOU NEED), posters and other advertising
materials.</font></font></b>
<br><b><font size=+3>&nbsp;</font><font size=+4>Fax</font> or SMS This
Request of&nbsp; the&nbsp; Free Info Pachage"&nbsp; FORM BACK TO <font size=+4>&lt;0039054751299></font></b>
<p><b>&nbsp;or send&nbsp; by regular mail to our Shipping Address</b>
<br><b>&lt;Festival Tour .P. resp.<font size=+1> C. Chiucchi&nbsp;</font>
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<br><b><font size=-1><font color="#000000">E-MAIL info &lt;</font>dance2003festival@supereva.it<font color="#000000">></font></font></b>
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--On Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:13 AM -0500 Anne Toal <toalanne@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> 2) having
> the neck cut off before the break and the glass re-blown, trying to
> disguise the fact it was broken. It is not what one might characterize as
> beautiful, unless 19th century colored pressed glass can be called
> beautiful. But it is old and I'm disgusted with my own indecision on what
> to do with it. Anything more modern would have been thrown out weeks ago.


The sharp edge could be sanded and the bottom could be used as a vase.

Terry

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Perhaps at the age of 85 a politician can afford to be outspoken - and I
know one of his staff wrote it - and I know there are a lot of issues on
which he is a Neanderthal - but this, delivered yesterday on the floor of
the US Senate by Robert Byrd of W Va is a damned fine speech

- BrP

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May 21, 2003

"The Truth Will Emerge"


"Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again, - -
The eternal years of God are hers;
But Error, wounded, writhes in pain,
And dies among his worshippers."


Truth has a way of asserting itself despite all attempts to obscure
it. Distortion only serves to derail it for a time. No matter to what
lengths we humans may go to obfuscate facts or delude our fellows, truth
has a way of squeezing out through the cracks, eventually.


But the danger is that at some point it may no longer matter. The danger is that
damageis done before the truth is widely realized. The reality is that,
sometimes, it is easier to ignore uncomfortable facts and go along with
whatever distortion is currently in vogue. We see a lot of this today in
politics. I see a lot of it -- more than I would ever have believed --
right on this Senate Floor.

Regarding the situation in Iraq, it appears to this Senator that the American people
may have been lured into accepting the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation,
in violation of long-standing International law, under false premises. There is ample
evidence that the horrific events of September 11 have been carefully manipulated
to switch public focus from Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda who masterminded
the September 11th attacks, to Saddam Hussein who did not.

The run up to our invasion of Iraq featured the President and members of his cabinet
invoking every frightening image they could conjure, from mushroom clouds,
to buried caches of germ warfare, to drones poised to deliver germ laden
death in our major cities. We were treated to a heavy dose of overstatement
concerning Saddam Hussein's direct threat to our freedoms.


The tactic was guaranteed to provoke a sure reaction from a nation still
suffering from a combination of post traumatic stress and justifiable
anger after the attacks of 911. It was the exploitation of fear. It was a
placebo for the anger.

Since the war's end, every subsequent revelation which has seemed to refute the
previous dire claims of the Bush Administration has been brushed aside. Instead of
addressing the contradictory evidence, the White House deftly changes the subject.


No weapons of mass destruction have yet turned up, but we are told that they
will in time. Perhaps they yet will. But, our costly and destructive
bunker busting attack on Iraq seems to have proven, in the main, precisely
the opposite of what we were told was the urgent reason to go in. It seems
also to have, for the present, verified the assertions of Hans Blix and
the inspection team he led, which President Bush and company so derided.
As Blix always said, a lot of time will be needed to find such weapons, if
they do, indeed, exist. Meanwhile Bin Laden is still on the loose and
Saddam Hussein has come up missing.

The Administration assured the U.S. public and the world, over and over again, that
an attack was necessary to protect our people and the world from terrorism. It
assiduously worked to alarm the public and blur the faces of Saddam Hussein and
Osama Bin Laden until they virtually became one.

What has become painfully clear in the aftermath of war is that Iraq was no
immediate threat to the U.S. Ravaged by years of sanctions, Iraq did not even lift an
airplane against us. Iraq's threatening death-dealing fleet of unmanned drones about
which we heard so much morphed into one prototype made of plywood and string.
Their missiles proved to be outdated and of limited range. Their army was
quickly overwhelmed by our technology and our well trained troops.


Presently our loyal military personnel continue their mission of diligently searching
for WMD. They have so far turned up only fertilizer, vacuum cleaners, conventional
weapons, and the occasional buried swimming pool. They are misused on such a
mission and they continue to be at graverisk. But, the Bush team's extensive hype of
WMD in Iraq as justification for a preemptive invasion has become more than
embarrassing. It has raised serious questions about prevarication and the reckless
use of power. Were our troops needlessly put at risk? Were countless Iraqi civilians
killed and maimed when war was not really necessary? Was the American public
deliberately misled? Was the world?

What makes me cringe even more is the continued claim that we are "liberators."
The facts don't seem to support the label we have so euphemistically attached to
ourselves. True, we have unseated a brutal, despicable despot, but "liberation"
implies the follow up of freedom, self-determination and a better life for the common
people.


In fact, if the situation in Iraq is the result of "liberation," we may have set the cause
of freedom back 200 years. Despite our high-blown claims of a better life for the Iraqi
people, water is scarce, and often foul, electricity is a sometime thing, food is in
short supply, hospitals are stacked with the wounded and maimed, historic treasures
of the region and of the Iraqi people have been looted, and nuclear material may
have been disseminated to heaven knows where, while U.S. troops, on orders,
looked on and guarded the oil supply.

Meanwhile, lucrative contracts to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure and refurbish its oil
industry are awarded to Administration cronies, without benefit of competitive
bidding, and the U.S. steadfastly resists offers of U.N. assistance to participate. Is
there any wonder that the real motives of the U.S. government are the
subject of worldwide speculation and mistrust? And in what may be the most
damaging development, the U.S. appears to be pushing off Iraq's clamor for
self-government. Jay Garner has been summarily replaced, and it is
becoming all too clear that the smiling face of the U.S. as liberator is
quickly assuming the scowl of an occupier. The image of the boot on the
throat has replaced the beckoning hand of freedom. Chaos and rioting only
exacerbate that image, as U.S. soldiers try to sustain order in a land
ravaged by poverty and disease. "Regime change" in Iraq has so far meant
anarchy, curbed only by an occupying military force and a U.S.
administrative presence that is evasive about if and when it intends to
depart.

 Democracy and Freedom cannot be force fed at the point of an occupier's gun. To
think otherwise is folly. One has to stop and ponder. How could we have been so
impossibly naive? How could we expect to easily plant a clone of U.S. culture,
values, and government in a country so riven with religious, territorial, and tribal
rivalries, so suspicious of U.S. motives, and so at odds with the galloping
materialism which drives the western-style economies?

As so many warned this Administration before it launched its misguided war on Iraq,
there is evidence that our crack down in Iraq is likely to convince 1,000 new Bin
Ladens to plan other horrors of the type we have seen in the past several days.
Instead of damaging the terrorists, we have given them new fuel for their fury. We
did not complete our mission in Afghanistan because we were so eager to
attack Iraq.

 Now it appears that Al Queda is back with a vengeance. We have returned to
orange alert in the U.S., and we may well have destabilized the Mideast region, a
region we have never fully understood. We have alienated friends around the globe
with our dissembling and our haughty insistence on punishing former friends who
may not see things quite our way. The path of diplomacy and reason have gone out
the window to be replaced by force, unilateralism, and punishment for
transgressions.


I read most recently with amazement our harsh castigation of Turkey, our longtime
friend and strategic ally. It is astonishing that our government is berating the new
Turkish government for conducting its affairs in accordance with its own Constitution
and its democratic institutions.


Indeed, we may have sparked a new international arms race as countries
move ahead to develop WMD as a last ditch attempt to ward off a possible
preemptive strike from a newly belligerent U.S. which claims the right to
hit where it wants. In fact, there is little to constrain this President.


Congress, in what will go down in history as its most unfortunate act, handed away
its power to declare war for the foreseeable future and empowered this President to
wage war at will. As if that were not bad enough, members of Congress are reluctant
to ask questions which are begging to be asked. How long will we occupy Iraq? We
have already heard disputes on the numbers of troops which will be needed to retain
order.


What is the truth? How costly will the occupation and rebuilding be? No
one has given a straight answer. How will we afford this long-term massive
commitment, fight terrorism at home, address a serious crisis in domestic
healthcare, afford behemoth military spending and give away billions in
tax cuts amidst a deficit which has climbed to over $340 billion for this
year alone? If the President's tax cut passes it will be $400 billion. We
cower in the shadows while false statements proliferate. We accept soft
answers and shaky explanations because to demand the truth is hard, or
unpopular, or may be politically costly. But, I contend that, through it
all, the people know.

The American people unfortunately are used to political shading, spin, and the usual
chicanery they hear from public officials. They patiently tolerate it up to a point. But
there is a line. It may seem to be drawn in invisible ink for a time, but eventually it
will appear in dark colors, tinged with anger. When it comes to shedding
American blood - - when it comes to wreaking havoc on civilians, on
innocent men, women, and children, callous dissembling is not acceptable.
Nothing is worth that kind of lie - - not oil, not revenge, not
reelection, not somebody's grand pipedream of a democratic domino theory.
And mark my words, the calculated intimidation which we see so often of
late by the "powers that be" will only keep the loyal opposition quiet for
just so long. Because eventually, like it always does, the truth will
emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.

                                ###

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steph wrote:

> Three of them we needed to get up on the ladder for, too.

How could one hang blinds without getting up on a ladder (or a ladder
substitute)??

> You tore out a whole toilet, didn't you?

No.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman:
>>= I've installed blinds in two houses, and never has it been
>>= as much trouble as you describe -- no more than a few
>>= minutes per window.
>>=
>>Thank you.
>>
>
> I have great respect for Rita's abilities, but I really would like to
> have watched her install these blinds in a few minutes per window.  I
> could charge admission for that Ripley's Believe It Or Not show and make
> big money.


I don't think so.  It's really not that hard. I do have an
electric drill, of course.  I've also stained and installed
baseboards, which was also not that big a deal.  But I've
never hung wallpaper.



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Rita Chapman wrote:

>
> I've also stained and installed
> baseboards, which was also not that big a deal.  But I've
> never hung wallpaper.
>
Wallpaper is not that big a deal either IF you happen to like doing it.

Rita L.

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At 05:27 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>>I've also stained and installed
>>baseboards, which was also not that big a deal.  But I've
>>never hung wallpaper.
>Wallpaper is not that big a deal either IF you happen to like doing it.
>
>Rita L.

You mean you don't have to have a phd?  Are you tall, Rita L?

Betty

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Yes, I am tall but definitely NOT cute :-)

Betty Clark wrote:

> At 05:27 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Rita Leonard wrote:
>
>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've also stained and installed
>>> baseboards, which was also not that big a deal.  But I've
>>> never hung wallpaper.
>>
>> Wallpaper is not that big a deal either IF you happen to like doing it.
>>
>> Rita L.
>
>
> You mean you don't have to have a phd?  Are you tall, Rita L?
>
> Betty


--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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>>Wallpaper is not that big a deal either IF you happen to like doing it.
>>Rita L.
>
>You mean you don't have to have a phd?  Are you tall, Rita L?
>Betty

I once hung wallpaper on a brick wall.  But then I am tall and do have a PhD.


    --bonniev

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Words mounted on the board outside a church:

Believe in the Lord but
Lock your Car

Sandra

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 11:14:02 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Yes, that's it!
> I think it might be this one? http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/Detail/01293.html
> Although my leaves/flowers haven't yet "unfurl"ed in such a "dramatic fashion"!

Ah. I have a pittosporum (which it resembles).

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I don't think so.  It's really not that hard. I do have an
> electric drill, of course.  I've also stained and installed
> baseboards, which was also not that big a deal.  But I've
> never hung wallpaper.

I haven't ever considered hanging wallpaper because I don't like
wallpaper.  I have installed the little strip under the baseboard (can't
remember what you call it).  But basically this boils down to the simple
fact that you are more skillful than I.  No great surprise.  Not all of
us are equally talented.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> What are his solo shows like? I have gone back and forth on him,
> I really like his voice but he always seemed like the pretty boy
> poser of the group at the same time. But a likeable poser. But a
> little self-centered...
>
> Marie

They're like Fruvous shows without Dave, Mike, or Murray. Does that help? :)

I have converted the okay audio from the videotape to a .WAV file and will
try burning CDs tomorrow. If they turn out okay, are you interested in a
set?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I have converted the okay audio from the videotape to a .WAV file
> and will
> try burning CDs tomorrow. If they turn out okay, are you
> interested in a
> set?

Absolutely.

Marie

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My mother's name is Rita and she's really good at do-it-yourself projects too. I think we're onto something here.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
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> My mother's name is Rita and she's really good at do-it-yourself projects too. I think we're onto something here.

Are you good at them?  My hunch is that it has more to do with genes
than with names.  Or possibly that it has to do with things learned in
childhood.  Nobody in my family was at all good at such things.  When
things broke, they just didn't get fixed until we could afford to hire
somebody to fix them.  Then there was the funny time when we added an
apartment for my grandmother onto our house and my parents read some
do-it-yourself manual about putting down linoleum in a kitchen.  This
was a very small kitchen, thank goodness, since the small size reduced
the cost of having to hire somebody to come rip up what they'd tried to
do and do it right.  That was their only do-it-yourself attempt that I
remember.  Of the four of us (my no-longer-alive parents, my brother,
and I, I am by far the most skillful at taking care of house things.  My
brother has never bothered to try.  He thinks it's silly to waste time
doing tasks that hired help can do.  I've tried and have made progress.
But the gene pool in my family isn't to my advantage.

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I've been immersed in various projects today and haven't looked at web
news since reading the crotch story early this morning.  Is there
anything going on in the world that I should know about?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utk.edu>
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Greetings, wordslers! This is so cool. I love the Sheraton Music City hotel
anyway, now more, because each room now has ethernet access - $9.95 per 24
hours!

The day was lovely - so cool that even in my non-AC van, I was almost cold
driving over with all the vent windows open.

My kind of day ...

Carry on ...

Bethany

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At 03:38 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>Words mounted on the board outside a church:
>
>Believe in the Lord but
>Lock your Car

I'm glad you are still walking, Sandra!  How far do you do now?

Betty

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At 06:54 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > I don't think so.  It's really not that hard. I do have an
> > electric drill, of course.  I've also stained and installed
> > baseboards, which was also not that big a deal.  But I've
> > never hung wallpaper.
>
>I haven't ever considered hanging wallpaper because I don't like
>wallpaper.  I have installed the little strip under the baseboard (can't
>remember what you call it).  But basically this boils down to the simple
>fact that you are more skillful than I.  No great surprise.  Not all of
>us are equally talented.

But we all have talents!  I can cross my toe next to my big toe over the
big toe.  Can you?

Betty

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At 07:55 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I've been immersed in various projects today and haven't looked at web
>news since reading the crotch story early this morning.  Is there
>anything going on in the world that I should know about?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Anika shot one over par.

Betty

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > Is there anything going on in the world that I should know about?
>
> Sure. We're all about to get good jobs and prosper because our
> farsighted president has finally persuaded the congress to cut all
> those nasty taxes and instantly stimulate economic growth. Apropos
> that, one of the local newspapers ran a syndicated piece by Warren
> Buffet yesterday that comments on the folly of Bush's plan. But if
> he won't even believe Buffet, I guess there's no hope.

Yes, I've been reading news since sending my "has anything happened"
posting.  I see that the usual has been happening.  Dubya is continuing
to aim the nose of the country's plane straight down.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sounds expensive to me.  That's about $300 per month!  Go to the library.

Betty

At 09:13 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Greetings, wordslers! This is so cool. I love the Sheraton Music City hotel
>anyway, now more, because each room now has ethernet access - $9.95 per 24
>hours!
>
>The day was lovely - so cool that even in my non-AC van, I was almost cold
>driving over with all the vent windows open.
>
>My kind of day ...
>
>Carry on ...
>
>Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The day was lovely - so cool that even in my non-AC van, I was almost cold
> driving over with all the vent windows open.

It has been downright COLD here in Starkpatch today.

Meanwhile, do you think my allusion to your celibacy vow was <nasty> or
<ridiculing>?  I didn't think so, but AnnBork and Steph do.

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Betty wrote:

> But we all have talents!  I can cross my toe next to my big toe over the
> big toe.  Can you?

No.  My only talent was water-skiing, and I haven't done that in many
years now.  I have no current talents.

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Betty wrote:

> Anika shot one over par.

Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?  Is shooting
one over par very bad?

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At 08:26 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I got IHOP to make me a plate of chicken and pancakes today. Had to order
>two separate things and do the final assembly. It was all good.
>
>-aht

I've never had those two items together.  Did you pour syrup on your chicken?

Betty

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At 08:33 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Anika shot one over par.
>
>Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?  Is shooting
>one over par very bad?

Yes, she is.  Nothing wrong with one over par.  It won't win, of course.  I
just hope she makes the cut.

Betty

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> I've never had those two items together.  Did you pour syrup on your
chicken?

No, silly! the gravy from the chicken gets on the pancakes and you eat it
all together.

-aht

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At 08:38 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> > I've never had those two items together.  Did you pour syrup on your
>chicken?
>
>No, silly! the gravy from the chicken gets on the pancakes and you eat it
>all together.

Oh, my! I can't remember the last time I had chicken gravy.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> We found out why the dryer wasn't working properly lately:
> when the apartment complex put the siding up, they blocked
> the dryer vent.

I'm sure I've told the story of years ago of when the window a/c in my
old office was placed smack up against a retaining wall.  Even I,
stupidest of the stupid re how things work, realized why it wasn't
working.

Re dryers, and something I no doubt told when I discovered the problem
back whenever it was:  I thought my dryer was dying but then noticed
that its outside vent was clogged with scuzz -- mainly doghair from
washing dog covers.  Dogs certainly complicate life.  But who wants an
uncomplicated life?  Complications mean you're LVING.

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Betty wrote:

> >Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?  Is shooting
> >one over par very bad?
>
> Yes, she is.  Nothing wrong with one over par.  It won't win, of course.  I
> just hope she makes the cut.

Is par set for a tournament, or is it par for anybody playing that
course any time?  If the latter, then being over par would strike me as
way bad for tournament players.  But maybe that's not how it works.  I
find golf exceedingly boring -- something else that makes me quite
different from my RRB, who is an avid golfer.

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Betty wrote:

> just hope she makes the cut.

Meant to ask in that earlier reply:  what cut?  Is she not really <in
the tournament> yet?  (As is no doubt obvious, I don't follow golf.  I
did watch a little bit of the big women's tournament -- as in big
tournament, not big women -- the year it was held here -- West Point
actually, not exactly here, but I don't really know how golf tournaments
work.)

Oh -- I also saw ftf some famous golfers many years ago when I was
living in Florida and went to an important tournament in Orlando(?).  I
saw Jack Nicklaus and Tom Somebody, who I think won, and various other
<famous people>.  But I wasn't exactly into it.  I went because Chuck
wanted me to go to it with him.

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At 08:49 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?  Is shooting
> > >one over par very bad?
> >
> > Yes, she is.  Nothing wrong with one over par.  It won't win, of course.  I
> > just hope she makes the cut.
>
>Is par set for a tournament, or is it par for anybody playing that
>course any time?  If the latter, then being over par would strike me as
>way bad for tournament players.  But maybe that's not how it works.  I
>find golf exceedingly boring -- something else that makes me quite
>different from my RRB, who is an avid golfer.
>

I'm sorry but I am not going to get into explaining golf to you. You'd be
bored.

Betty

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I could use an uncomplicated life for awhile.  Just until
> things sort themselves out.

Oh yes -- occasional bursts of uncomplicatedness are nice.  But overall
I think complicated lives are much <fuller> than uncomplicated lives.

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Betty wrote:

> >Is par set for a tournament, or is it par for anybody playing that
> >course any time?  If the latter, then being over par would strike me as
> >way bad for tournament players.  But maybe that's not how it works.  I
> >find golf exceedingly boring -- something else that makes me quite
> >different from my RRB, who is an avid golfer.
> >
>
> I'm sorry but I am not going to get into explaining golf to you. You'd be
> bored.

I thought it was a simple yes/no question -- not what I'd call
explaining:  Yes, par is set for a specific tournament;  no, it's always
the same for that course.

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 8:33:12 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Betty wrote:

>> Anika shot one over par.

> Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?

It's not a men's tournament.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?
>
> It's not a men's tournament.

Then I am confused about who we're talking about.  I had read about a
female golfer playing in a men's golfing event.  I thought that's who we
were talking about.

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 9:18:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?
>>
>> It's not a men's tournament.

> Then I am confused about who we're talking about.  I had read about a
> female golfer playing in a men's golfing event.  I thought that's who we
> were talking about.

The LPGA is a women's event; the PGA is not gender-specific.

Karen

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> Oh, my! I can't remember the last time I had chicken gravy.

I can almost hear what you must be thinking, Bad Betty.

-aht

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> It's not a men's tournament.
>
> > Then I am confused about who we're talking about.  I had read about a
> > female golfer playing in a men's golfing event.  I thought that's who we
> > were talking about.
>
> The LPGA is a women's event; the PGA is not gender-specific.

As I said, I'm obviously confused about who we're talking about.  I had
read about a female golfer playing in a male golf event.  If who you're
talking about is playing in a non-gender-specific event, then it's not
who I had read about since playing in a non-gender-specific event is not
exactly news.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:23 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> > Oh, my! I can't remember the last time I had chicken gravy.
>
>I can almost hear what you must be thinking, Bad Betty.

I can remember chicken gravy and mashed spuds fondly but got cheated on
being served pancakes with it. You must have had a more privileged upbringing.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, May 21, 2003, 9:34:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Well, it might accompish all kinds of wondrous things, but I thought the
>>braino was obvious -- and that it wasn't about what would be
>>accomplished for Rita but rather about what she was accomplishing, as
>>she metastasized.
>>
>
> M-W defines metastasis as "transfer of a disease-producing agency from
> the site of disease to another part of the body". I don't think that
> Rita is a disease-producing agency.


        But I could be!

        In an essay, one of my students called me a rosey-cheeked
Venus Fly Trap; I really enjoyed that.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> How big is it?

It's about 12 inches high. It is a green pressed-glass decanter with a
stopper, I would place the date of manufacture in the 1880s. Reason is it
was created with a three-part mold, which wasn't used much after the 20th
century began. It has a long slender neck, which is what broke. The stopper
is intact and it also carries three-part mold marks. I've thought of 1)
tossing the decanter and using the stopper as a paperweight, or 2) having
the neck cut off before the break and the glass re-blown, trying to disguise
the fact it was broken. It is not what one might characterize as beautiful,
unless 19th century colored pressed glass can be called beautiful. But it is
old and I'm disgusted with my own indecision on what to do with it. Anything
more modern would have been thrown out weeks ago.

-aht

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 5:55:00 AM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         In an essay, one of my students called me a rosey-cheeked
> Venus Fly Trap; I really enjoyed that.

If Tushar uses this as a term of endearment, I'm puking.

Karen

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>By the way, you probably had so much trouble either because there was
>another nail underneath or because the window casing was of a hard, tight
>wood.      --clo

Yes.  I put up cellular shades in eight of my windows shortly after we
moved here.  The only one that gave me trouble was the kitchen window
which, I discovered, is made of cheery to match the cupboards.


    --bonniev

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > There's a story about Dubya's crotch in The Village Voice:
> >
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0321/goldstein.php
> >

Looks like a camel toe to me.
clo

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> > How big is it?
>
> It's about 12 inches high. It is a green pressed-glass decanter with a
> stopper, I would place the date of manufacture in the 1880s. Reason is it
> was created with a three-part mold, which wasn't used much after the 20th
> century began. It has a long slender neck, which is what broke.
> The stopper
> is intact and it also carries three-part mold marks. I've thought of 1)
> tossing the decanter and using the stopper as a paperweight, or 2) having
> the neck cut off before the break and the glass re-blown, trying
> to disguise
> the fact it was broken. It is not what one might characterize as
> beautiful,
> unless 19th century colored pressed glass can be called
> beautiful. But it is
> old and I'm disgusted with my own indecision on what to do with
> it. Anything
> more modern would have been thrown out weeks ago.
>
> -aht

I like Idea #2. It will have a nice story behind it.

Sandra

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steph wrote:

> = Yes, if it was nasty.  I don't see anything nasty about what I said.
>
> As usual.

What was nasty about it?  I wrote the subject header "Giving Up on
Screwing" with the pun in mind.  When Kristin responded, it occurred to
me that she wasn't here back when Bethany was discussing her celibacy
vow, which is, afaik, the only time we've had a list discussion about
"giving up on screwing" and thus was the allusion in my header.  So I
mentioned it to Kristin.  Why was that nasty?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On 22 May 2003 at 19:55, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Is there anything going on in the world that I should know about?

Sure. We're all about to get good jobs and prosper because our
farsighted president has finally persuaded the congress to cut all
those nasty taxes and instantly stimulate economic growth. Apropos
that, one of the local newspapers ran a syndicated piece by Warren
Buffet yesterday that comments on the folly of Bush's plan. But if
he won't even believe Buffet, I guess there's no hope.

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Big media companies want to be able to control everything you see, hear,
and read. I'm writing to ask you to join me in signing a petition to the
Federal Communications Commission (FCC).  The FCC is considering
fundamental changes to the media ownership regulations that will affect
all of us.  Despite the immense impact of the proposed changes, the FCC
has held only ONE formal public hearing on the issue.  While the public
has largely been unaware and uninvolved in the issue, the nation's
largest broadcast companies - which could reap huge benefits from the
elimination of these ownership rules - have spent tens of millions of
dollars on lobbying and political contributions in Washington. Join me
in having your voice heard by signing this petition. You can sign up at:
http://www.commoncause.org/action/petition.cfm

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I got IHOP to make me a plate of chicken and pancakes today. Had to order two separate things and do the final assembly. It was all good.

-aht

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In a message dated 05/22/2003 8:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
But who wants an
uncomplicated life?  Complications mean you're LVING.

>>

I could use an uncomplicated life for awhile.  Just until
things sort themselves out.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> At 09:23 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>> > Oh, my! I can't remember the last time I had chicken gravy.
>>
>> I can almost hear what you must be thinking, Bad Betty.
>
> I can remember chicken gravy and mashed spuds fondly but got cheated on
> being served pancakes with it. You must have had a more privileged
> upbringing.
>
> Betty


Is this chicken and pancakes thing a southern or Texas thing?  I've never
heard of this.  Guess I was cheated too!

Terry

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 9:26:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> As I said, I'm obviously confused about who we're talking about.  I had
> read about a female golfer playing in a male golf event.

Whoever reported that, reported wrongly.

> If who you're talking about is playing in a non-gender-specific
> event, then it's not who I had read about since playing in a
> non-gender-specific event is not exactly news.

Sure it is, when it's been 48 years since a woman qualified and some
of the men protested her playing and say that she will bring down the
level of play. They had 3 times the normal number of press people
there today--that alone makes it news.

Karen

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 10:25:05 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> Is this chicken and pancakes thing a southern or Texas thing?  I've never
> heard of this.  Guess I was cheated too!

I think we talked about chicken and waffles before. I thought Tushar
knew a place in Chicago.

Karen

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Betty wrote:
> > > Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have
>one
> > > next year.
> >
> >I'm always willing, but it seems a bit early in our history to start
> >repeating locales.  Why do you wonder if we'll have one next year?  I
> >wonder at times whether this country will still exist in its present
> >form in another year.  Is that what you mean?
>
>Plus Rashmi being unemployed.

Eeeeek! Seeing it like this is sca-ry.

-rashmi

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> I think we talked about chicken and waffles before. I thought Tushar
> knew a place in Chicago.
>
> Karen

I must have been absent for class that day.  I do remember the chicken
fried steak discussion.

Terry

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 10:25:05 PM, Terry Wild wrote:

>Is this chicken and pancakes thing a southern or Texas thing?  I've never
>heard of this.  Guess I was cheated too!

I think it's popular with late-night (esp jazz) musicians. Sylvia's in
Harlem is
the only place I've seen it. I prefer waffles to pancakes tho.

-rashmi

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 10:27:31 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Betty wrote:
>>Plus Rashmi being unemployed.

> Eeeeek! Seeing it like this is sca-ry.

I went back to Dell today--it's like I never left. Except, there are
new signs:  Loose lips sink ships.

Karen

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On 22 May 2003 at 22:38, Karen Kay wrote:

> I went back to Dell today--it's like I never left. Except, there are
> new signs:  Loose lips sink ships.

Let me say a word in behalf of Dell's forthrightness, if nothing
else. I got one of those little support alert messages yesterday
that made me look twice. I don't remember the precise wording, but
it was very close to this: Dell does not approve of programs that
remove spyware from your computer and will not provide support for
such programs.

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> At 03:38 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> >Words mounted on the board outside a church:
> >
> >Believe in the Lord but
> >Lock your Car
>
> I'm glad you are still walking, Sandra!  How far do you do now?
>
> Betty

Usually 36 or so blocks. About 3 miles. I'm still at over 130 lb loss.
Between that and 140. I'm trying to knock off more and it becomes
challenging when I socialize more. When Dave was in town, I definitely ate
more and differently...eating bread and just indulging in general. With him
gone, it's easier to eat lighter.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Three of them we needed to get up on the ladder for, too.
=
= How could one hang blinds without getting up on a ladder (or a ladder
= substitute)??
=

Not all tops of windows are taller than some people can reach.

= > You tore out a whole toilet, didn't you?
=
= No.
=

You did do something in that bathroom by yourself.

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        My father-in-law used to eat this combo all the time.  He
died of a heart attack while watching Lawrence Welk.


Anne Toal wrote:

>>I've never had those two items together.  Did you pour syrup on your
>>
> chicken?
>
> No, silly! the gravy from the chicken gets on the pancakes and you eat it
> all together.
>
> -aht
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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steph wrote:

> Not all tops of windows are taller than some people can reach.

I'm trying to imagine a window top not taller than you can reach.  Am
coming up with strange images -- images of strange windows, that is.

> = > You tore out a whole toilet, didn't you?
> =
> = No.
>
> You did do something in that bathroom by yourself.

I can't remember ever having done anything to a bathroom that required
<skill>.  I've fixed flushers, I've ripped out flooring, I've taken down
a glass door, and various other such no-skill-required tasks.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sure it is, when it's been 48 years since a woman qualified and some
> of the men protested her playing and say that she will bring down the
> level of play. They had 3 times the normal number of press people
> there today--that alone makes it news.

Sure sounds to me like a female playing in a male golf event.

I wish BB had answered my question about par.  I'm curious now and may
have to google for it.  Or I could ask at lunch.  (I know what par is --
just don't know whether it's fixed.  If it is, then seems to be that
being over par would be a very bad sign for this woman.)

I wonder whether we knew what par was on my college golf course when I
took a semester of golf (satisfying a p.e. requirement, not because I
was interested in golf).  I think I've mentioned before that my friends
and I got very good at teeing off, hitting the balls as far as we could
and then following them and sitting down behind some trees and talking
until the class period was over.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Is this chicken and pancakes thing a southern or Texas thing?  I've never
> heard of this.  Guess I was cheated too!

I've never heard of it either.

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>steph wrote:
>
> > Not all tops of windows are taller than some people can reach.
>
>I'm trying to imagine a window top not taller than you can reach.  Am
>coming up with strange images -- images of strange windows, that is.
>  -- Natalie

I can easily reach the top of all 20 windows in my house.   Picture of my
living room coming to you back channel in just a few minutes.


    --bonniev

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Determined to prove that chicken and pancakes is not an unknown thing, I searched on Google and came up emptyhanded. Then I looked for Rashmi's waffle version and came up with these two entries. Bad Betty is discouraged from chasing these URLs.

http://entertainment.sunspot.net/top/1,1419,p-artslife-restaurantsfood-!PlaceDetail-7488,00.html
http://users.aol.com/stranahan/roscoes.htm

So I'm wondering why all these years I've believed that chicken and pancakes was a Southern speciality. Chicken and waffles appears to fall into the category of soul food, and Rashmi's c-and-w sighting at Sylvia's adds credence to that notion.

I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as if it were universal truth.

-aht

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Terry Wild wrote:

> >Is this chicken and pancakes thing a southern or Texas thing?  I've never
> >heard of this.  Guess I was cheated too!

V's family puts gravy on pancakes and waffles - perhaps his Swedish
mother brought the tradition to the family?
My family will only use 100% maple syrup, usually supplied by people
we grew up with, or tapped ourselves. My kids put <both> gravy
<and> maple syrup. I have trouble with that one, and that may be
why they do it!

clo

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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>I haven't ever considered hanging wallpaper because I don't like
>>wallpaper.  I have installed the little strip under the baseboard (can't
>>remember what you call it).  But basically this boils down to the simple
>>fact that you are more skillful than I.  No great surprise.  Not all of
>>us are equally talented.

As I have stated previously, hanging wallpaper is not a matter of
talent.  Talent is involved in playing the saxophone, performing in
theatre, walking a tightrope.  Hanging wallpaper is simply a matter of
study, practice, persistence, and taking due care.


    --bonniev

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Thursday, May 22, 2003, 11:10:34 PM, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> Let me say a word in behalf of Dell's forthrightness, if nothing
> else. I got one of those little support alert messages yesterday
> that made me look twice. I don't remember the precise wording, but
> it was very close to this: Dell does not approve of programs that
> remove spyware from your computer and will not provide support for
> such programs.

Yet another reason not to buy a Dell.

Karen

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 6:55:12 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Sure it is, when it's been 48 years since a woman qualified and some
>> of the men protested her playing and say that she will bring down the
>> level of play. They had 3 times the normal number of press people
>> there today--that alone makes it news.

> Sure sounds to me like a female playing in a male golf event.

I suppose it depends on how you define 'male'. It's not a
gender-restricted event the way the LPGA is. (Though I think men have
played there, too.)

> I wish BB had answered my question about par.  I'm curious now and may
> have to google for it.  Or I could ask at lunch.  (I know what par is --
> just don't know whether it's fixed.  If it is, then seems to be that
> being over par would be a very bad sign for this woman.)

The answer is not Yes or No, and that's what you said you would
accept.

Karen

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>
>  I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as if it were universal truth.
>
> -aht

LOL !

I always just asumed that Posting Personal Belief as Universal Truth was a core belief
of words-l.


BrP

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bonniev wrote:

> I can easily reach the top of all 20 windows in my house.   Picture of my
> living room coming to you back channel in just a few minutes.

Nice picture.  I love the blue and white decor and the pretty floors.
(I realize that the picture is pre-Voigtpeople, but it's still a nice
picture.)  It's hard to tell heights in a picture, however, unless a
person is standing in the room.  The amount of wall above the windows
seems <normal> -- is about the same as in my house.  I realize that
you're a good bit taller than I am (and than Steph is, if I remember her
height correctly), but not enough taller to screw at the tops of my
window frames.  Standing beside my windows and holding my arm straight
up, there's still about a foot to the top of the frame.  Even if I were
a foot taller, only my fingertips would reach the frame tops, which
wouldn't help much since fingertips can't screw.  So there's something
wrong with this picture.  (I'm a little under 5'4".)

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> V's family puts gravy on pancakes and waffles - perhaps his Swedish
> mother brought the tradition to the family?

That sounds like the same general idea as biscuits and gravy, supposedly
a popular Southern dish although I find the idea repulsive.  Somehow
I've missed hearing of gravy on pancakes or waffles, though.

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At 09:26 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
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> >  I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as if it were
> universal truth.
> >
> > -aht
>
>LOL !
>
>I always just asumed that Posting Personal Belief as Universal Truth was a
>core belief
>of words-l.

Well, it certainly is a common practice, perhaps even a hoary tradition.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I suppose it depends on how you define 'male'.

Having a penis.

> > just don't know whether it's fixed.  If it is, then seems to be that
> > being over par would be a very bad sign for this woman.)
>
> The answer is not Yes or No, and that's what you said you would
> accept.

I don't see how it could not be yes or no.  Fixed and unfixed are
mutually exclusive conditions.

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 8:33:20 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I suppose it depends on how you define 'male'.

> Having a penis.

That's not a requirement for this tournament. THAT IS THE WHOLE
FUCKING POINT OF HER PLAYING.

>> > just don't know whether it's fixed.  If it is, then seems to be that
>> > being over par would be a very bad sign for this woman.)
>>
>> The answer is not Yes or No, and that's what you said you would
>> accept.

> I don't see how it could not be yes or no.  Fixed and unfixed are
> mutually exclusive conditions.

QED.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> I suppose it depends on how you define 'male'.
>
> > Having a penis.
>
> That's not a requirement for this tournament. THAT IS THE WHOLE
> FUCKING POINT OF HER PLAYING.

Nobody said anything about <requirements>.  The church around the corner
from my old house is "a black church" -- all of its members are black.
Even if there were a few white members, it would still be thought of as
"a black church."  Nobody <requires> it to be that way.  It just is.
This tournament sounds like that to me.  If so many people are excited
about the fact that a female is playing in it, it seems to me that it is
because it's a male event.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:14 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > At 03:38 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> > >Words mounted on the board outside a church:
> > >
> > >Believe in the Lord but
> > >Lock your Car
> >
> > I'm glad you are still walking, Sandra!  How far do you do now?
> >
> > Betty
>
>Usually 36 or so blocks. About 3 miles. I'm still at over 130 lb loss.
>Between that and 140. I'm trying to knock off more and it becomes
>challenging when I socialize more. When Dave was in town, I definitely ate
>more and differently...eating bread and just indulging in general. With him
>gone, it's easier to eat lighter.
>
>Sandra

I found it very hard to adjust when Tina and I moved into together. A year
later and I'm just starting to get it figured out.

17 more pounds and I'll be at my WW goal.

lisa
it's easier to 100 than it is to lose 17.

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>> read about a female golfer playing in a male golf event.
> Whoever reported that, reported wrongly.

jeez, Karen, when you split hairs like
this, you can't be surprised that it
conjured up the Nataliebot.

>it's been 48 years since a woman qualified

48 years and counting.

...if you want to split hairs.

--
Richard    zebra by the tail & a python in my hand

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At 03:27 AM 5/23/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>> > > Are you planning another fest in Starkville? I wonder if we'll have
>>one
>> > > next year.
>> >
>> >I'm always willing, but it seems a bit early in our history to start
>> >repeating locales.  Why do you wonder if we'll have one next year?  I
>> >wonder at times whether this country will still exist in its present
>> >form in another year.  Is that what you mean?
>>
>>Plus Rashmi being unemployed.
>
>Eeeeek! Seeing it like this is sca-ry.

Slap me!  What was I thinking?

B

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>17 more pounds and I'll be at my WW goal.
>
>lisa
>it's easier to 100 than it is to lose 17.

What kind of BMI score will your WW goal give you?  I know that you can set
your WW goal to be anything you want and that some people set it higher
than what would be a healthy BMI range.

Even harder than losing 100 or 17 pounds is, I gather, keeping the weight
off for two or twenty years.


    --bonniev

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At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:

>I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as
>if it were universal truth.
>
>-aht

This is the essence of words-l.  It is what we <do>.

Betty

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> At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>
> >I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as
> >if it were universal truth.
> >
> >-aht
>
> This is the essence of words-l.  It is what we <do>.
>
> Betty

clone !

BrP

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a 2 day old blog.

YaY.

Ann
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At 11:28 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>17 more pounds and I'll be at my WW goal.
>>
>>lisa
>>it's easier to 100 than it is to lose 17.
>
>What kind of BMI score will your WW goal give you?  I know that you can set
>your WW goal to be anything you want and that some people set it higher
>than what would be a healthy BMI range.
>
>Even harder than losing 100 or 17 pounds is, I gather, keeping the weight
>off for two or twenty years.
>
>
>    --bonniev

According to WW, I'd still be thirty pounds away from my goal weight. My
doctor did not think this was reasonable. The 17 pounds is based on the
drs. adjusted weight. She also said it would be a BMI of 28. I'm not sure
where I am w/ BMI right now, a 29 I think. That's considered borderline
obese, which I do not believe I am.

If you do it right, if you really committ to the idea that you're life has
changed, that you no longer binge eat and no longer eat bad food all the
time, maintaining the weight shouldn't be that bad. I've made a ton of
changes and there aren't too many behaviors I miss. The latest challenge,
the one that keeps me from getting the 17 off, is that I do not want to eat
any less than I'm currently eating. If I tweaked it just slightly I'd
probably be OK but at the moment I'm not willing to do it.

lisa

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>
> http://tinyurl.com/chj9

In another, related article, I read that civets primarily eat fruit. I can't
imagine my cat eating fruit.

Sandra

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> > > I'm glad you are still walking, Sandra!  How far do you do now?
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> >Usually 36 or so blocks. About 3 miles. I'm still at over 130 lb loss.
> >Between that and 140. I'm trying to knock off more and it becomes
> >challenging when I socialize more. When Dave was in town, I
> definitely ate
> >more and differently...eating bread and just indulging in
> general. With him
> >gone, it's easier to eat lighter.
> >
> >Sandra
>
> I found it very hard to adjust when Tina and I moved into together. A year
> later and I'm just starting to get it figured out.
>
> 17 more pounds and I'll be at my WW goal.
>
> lisa
> it's easier to 100 than it is to lose 17.

I've been eating very healthy and lean this week and to my surprise I've
gained a couple of pounds. I've been doing my walks. Perhaps it has
something to do with some minor pains I have in my shoulder/neck area and my
forearm. I bought new weights (ooooh...a whole eight lbs each) and I did a
very long workout with them on Sunday. I gained 2 lbs after my 6 mile hike,
too. I can't believe it's *muscle.* It's something about my body's reaction
to getting pumped up I think. I just figure that if I keep eating healthy
and continue my walks...it'll come off again. I'm eating far less than I
have in the past to lose weight. So, this is an anomaly.

Sandra

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At 11:32 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> >
> > >I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as
> > >if it were universal truth.
> > >
> > >-aht
> >
> > This is the essence of words-l.  It is what we <do>.
> >
> > Betty
>
>clone !

What does this mean?  Happy to clone with you any day, Paul.

Sister B

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At 09:08 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/chj9
>
>In another, related article, I read that civets primarily eat fruit. I can't
>imagine my cat eating fruit.

A "civet cat" isn't the kind of cat you are thinking of.  The Asian civet
is in a different taxonomic family---one that also includes mongooses.  The
civet cat of this hemisphere is in the raccoon family.

cwv

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02003-05-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 11:32 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >> At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal
> >> >belief as if it were universal truth.
> >> >
> >> >-aht
> >>
> >> This is the essence of words-l.  It is what we <do>.
> >>
> >> Betty
> >
> >clone !
>
> What does this mean?  Happy to clone with you any day, Paul.
>
> Sister B

Man, what a LAMEASS sequence of followups!

Hm, THAT is the essence of words-l ...

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Ann Borkin:
= a 2 day old blog.
=
= YaY.
=

Someone else has to give you the YaY, dontcha think?

= Ann
= http://www.annaborinki.com

which I will most likely do later, after I look at the above!

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02003-05-23 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Ann Borkin:
> = a 2 day old blog.
> =
> = YaY.
> =
>
> Someone else has to give you the YaY, dontcha think?

You can "fisk" this statement on your blog, "Anna".

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It looks like a cool place to eat!

BB

At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Determined to prove that chicken and pancakes is not an unknown thing, I
>searched on Google and came up emptyhanded. Then I looked for Rashmi's
>waffle version and came up with these two entries. Bad Betty is
>discouraged from chasing these URLs.
>
>http://entertainment.sunspot.net/top/1,1419,p-artslife-restaurantsfood-!PlaceDetail-7488,00.html
>http://users.aol.com/stranahan/roscoes.htm
>
>So I'm wondering why all these years I've believed that chicken and
>pancakes was a Southern speciality. Chicken and waffles appears to fall
>into the category of soul food, and Rashmi's c-and-w sighting at Sylvia's
>adds credence to that notion.
>
>I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as
>if it were universal truth.
>
>-aht

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NEWS BULLETIN

LONDON, UK (May 21, 2003) Scotland Yard announced the
arrest of a teacher in possession of compasses, protractors
and a straight edge.  The teacher admitted to being a member
of the Al Jebra movement and being equipped with weapons
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> >clone !
>
> What does this mean?  Happy to clone with you any day, Paul.
>
> Sister B

It means I said almost exactly the same thing only moments before you did.

BrP

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At 09:13 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > I'm glad you are still walking, Sandra!  How far do you do now?
> > > >
> > > > Betty
> > >
> > >Usually 36 or so blocks. About 3 miles. I'm still at over 130 lb loss.
> > >Between that and 140. I'm trying to knock off more and it becomes
> > >challenging when I socialize more. When Dave was in town, I
> > definitely ate
> > >more and differently...eating bread and just indulging in
> > general. With him
> > >gone, it's easier to eat lighter.
> > >
> > >Sandra
> >
> > I found it very hard to adjust when Tina and I moved into together. A year
> > later and I'm just starting to get it figured out.
> >
> > 17 more pounds and I'll be at my WW goal.
> >
> > lisa
> > it's easier to 100 than it is to lose 17.
>
>I've been eating very healthy and lean this week and to my surprise I've
>gained a couple of pounds. I've been doing my walks. Perhaps it has
>something to do with some minor pains I have in my shoulder/neck area and my
>forearm. I bought new weights (ooooh...a whole eight lbs each) and I did a
>very long workout with them on Sunday. I gained 2 lbs after my 6 mile hike,
>too. I can't believe it's *muscle.* It's something about my body's reaction
>to getting pumped up I think. I just figure that if I keep eating healthy
>and continue my walks...it'll come off again. I'm eating far less than I
>have in the past to lose weight. So, this is an anomaly.
>
>Sandra

This is common. You're body holds onto the food because it's not sure if
it's starving. When it realizes it no longer needs the extra fuel, the
weight will disappear.

The same sorta thing will happen if you eat a lot one week and then go
light the next week.

lisa

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At 12:12 PM 5/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 11:32 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > >> At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal
> > >> >belief as if it were universal truth.
> > >> >
> > >> >-aht
> > >>
> > >> This is the essence of words-l.  It is what we <do>.
> > >>
> > >> Betty
> > >
> > >clone !
> >
> > What does this mean?  Happy to clone with you any day, Paul.
> >
> > Sister B
>
>Man, what a LAMEASS sequence of followups!
>
>Hm, THAT is the essence of words-l ...

Do you need a hug?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> http://www.annaborinki.com

Nice yellow bowl.  I like it better than the first entry, which I don't
really understand.  Are you acting as a middleperson for postershop.com?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:49 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?  Is shooting
> > >one over par very bad?
> >
> > Yes, she is.  Nothing wrong with one over par.  It won't win, of course.  I
> > just hope she makes the cut.
>
>Is par set for a tournament, or is it par for anybody playing that
>course any time?  If the latter, then being over par would strike me as
>way bad for tournament players.  But maybe that's not how it works.  I
>find golf exceedingly boring -- something else that makes me quite
>different from my RRB, who is an avid golfer.

Watching golf and playing golf are very different. IMO, more so than a lot
of other sports. I have never liked to watch golf on tv but I do enjoy
playing the game. It's lot harder and more involved than it looks.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 08:33 PM 5/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Anika shot one over par.
>
>Is Anika the female golfer playing in the men's tournament?  Is shooting
>one over par very bad?

Par is set for the course, it doesn't change for the tournament. Being one
over par isn't good but it's not terrible. I think she was tied with 10
people at the end of the day yesterday.

I think there are 113 people playing but I'm not sure what "the cut" limit
is set at, whether it's the top 1/2 of the field or what. She doesn't tee
off until 2:43 today so there's no update on her progress.

She's playing extremely well given the pressure she's under.

lisa


>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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steph:
= Ann Borkin:
= = a 2 day old blog.
= =
= = YaY.
= =
=
= Someone else has to give you the YaY, dontcha think?
=
= = Ann
= = http://www.annaborinki.com
=
= which I will most likely do later, after I look at the above!

You're not feeding your husband well enough.

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Has anyone heard from Doris about how Gene is doing?

clo

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lisa:
> She's playing extremely well given the pressure she's under.

Oh, "pressure", my ass.

She's playing *golf* fer krissakes.

--
Richard    zebra by the tail & a python in my hand

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"again, all around" wrote:

> lisa:
> > She's playing extremely well given the pressure she's under.
>
> Oh, "pressure", my ass.
>
> She's playing *golf* fer krissakes.

*grin*
Don't tell me - tell Tiger Woods!
clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, May 20, 2003, 11:55:41 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > Kinda like "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana,"
> > except in one clause, not two?
>
> LOL. Yes! Exactly. Actually, 'fruit flies like a banana' is
> theoretically ambiguous on its own.

I am only at the beginning of the thread yet, but aren't there many
_homonyms_ which could be used to compose everyday sentences giving a
simple idea that do not even seem ambiguous at first?  Something like
"press one's suit (with...)"? The ambiguity is revealed only when somebody
happens to read them without a context.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I start a new contract Thursday, but it's only 2.5 weeks (with the
> > opportunity of a return engagement at more money if I'm successful).
>
> >>>
>
> > I hope that things work out!
>
> Thanks. It's likely to, but I doubt it will turn into a full-time
> job.

Congrats! Even a fortnight is better than nothing, isn't it? Otoh...
<sigh> ...

Kristin

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clo:
> Don't tell me - tell Tiger Woods!

He must be afraid of her, what with
ducking this week's match and all.

Next up: Can LeBron James handle the
"pressure" of finding something to
do with his 90 million dollars?

--
...I'd start with a new pair of adidas.

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
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On Fri, 23 May 2003, steph wrote:
> You're not feeding your husband well enough.

YaY!

I'm not feeding him at all, actually:  think Clyde & Bonnie, only I don't
even do creme brulee.

Ann

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> > http://www.annaborinki.com
>
> Nice yellow bowl.  I like it better than the first entry, which I don't
> really understand.  Are you acting as a middleperson for postershop.com?

Good point, Natalie, and I have taken it to heart.  I haven't found a Sol
LeWitt cube of the same sort, without a lot of crap, so I went back and
zapped it.

The learning curve was pretty steep for me on getting the first version
up, I lost track of quality!

Ann

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At 02:22 PM 5/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>clo:
> > Don't tell me - tell Tiger Woods!
>
>He must be afraid of her, what with
>ducking this week's match and all.
>
>Next up: Can LeBron James handle the
>"pressure" of finding something to
>do with his 90 million dollars?
>
>--
>...I'd start with a new pair of adidas.

We'll see how he does when he gets drafted.

lisa

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At 02:07 PM 5/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa:
> > She's playing extremely well given the pressure she's under.
>
>Oh, "pressure", my ass.
>
>She's playing *golf* fer krissakes.

But its *her* job.

lisa
I get your point


>--
>Richard    zebra by the tail & a python in my hand

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:01:11 -0400
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>
> I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief
> as if it were universal truth.
>
> -aht

Nothing to apologize for, some of us have learned something.  Besides, it
is the universal truth in your universe.

Terry

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At 12:31 PM 5/23/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 23 May 2003, steph wrote:
> > You're not feeding your husband well enough.
>
>YaY!
>
>I'm not feeding him at all, actually:  think Clyde & Bonnie, only I don't
>even do creme brulee.

...nor do I...

cwv

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Screw Namibia, when are we having Chicken and Waffle-fest?

lisa

At 10:12 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>It looks like a cool place to eat!
>
>BB
>
>At 07:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Determined to prove that chicken and pancakes is not an unknown thing, I
>>searched on Google and came up emptyhanded. Then I looked for Rashmi's
>>waffle version and came up with these two entries. Bad Betty is
>>discouraged from chasing these URLs.
>>
>>http://entertainment.sunspot.net/top/1,1419,p-artslife-restaurantsfood-!PlaceDetail-7488,00.html
>>http://users.aol.com/stranahan/roscoes.htm
>>
>>So I'm wondering why all these years I've believed that chicken and
>>pancakes was a Southern speciality. Chicken and waffles appears to fall
>>into the category of soul food, and Rashmi's c-and-w sighting at Sylvia's
>>adds credence to that notion.
>>
>>I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as
>>if it were universal truth.
>>
>>-aht

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At 04:01 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:

>>I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief
>>as if it were universal truth.
>>
>>-aht
>
>Nothing to apologize for, some of us have learned something.  Besides, it
>is the universal truth in your universe.

Are you sure that you don't live in Marin county?

cwv

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>>I'm not feeding him at all, actually:  think Clyde & Bonnie, only I don't
>>even do creme brulee.
>
>...nor do I...
>cwv

Well, that's what Borkina meant.  Her husband feeds her.  My husband feeds
me.  But at least I do creme brulee (and cheesecake and apple pie and even,
sometimes, lasagna and aglio olio pasta) whereas she doesn't even do that.


    --bonniev

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If it's <chicken> and <waffle> it should be timed to coincide with the 2004 election.

BrP




> Screw Namibia, when are we having Chicken and Waffle-fest?
>
> lisa

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> >YaY!
> >
> >I'm not feeding him at all, actually:  think Clyde & Bonnie, only I don't
> >even do creme brulee.
>
> ...nor do I...

Surely Bonnie does?  I can't have fabricated this idea of Bonnie with a
blowtorch making the perfect crust . . .

Ann

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--On Friday, May 23, 2003 4:07 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
<cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> Are you sure that you don't live in Marin county?
>
> cwv


Sleepy Hollow ....

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Ann Borkin:
= On Fri, 23 May 2003, steph wrote:
= > You're not feeding your husband well enough.
=
= YaY!
=
= I'm not feeding him at all, actually:  think Clyde & Bonnie, only I don't
= even do creme brulee.
=
= Ann

it was just, he used the passive voice (I'm assuming that comment
is from your allan)

I too, get fed.  I do a lot of the prep work around here, but
about the only standing in front of the stove I do anymore is
French Toast.   That's kind of weird, hunh.

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>Surely Bonnie does?  I can't have fabricated this idea of Bonnie with a
>blowtorch making the perfect crust . . .
>Ann

I don't have a blow torch.  Perhaps I should get one before Acadiafest.


    --bonniev

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> --On Friday, May 23, 2003 4:07 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
> <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>
> > Are you sure that you don't live in Marin county?
> >
> > cwv
>
>
> Sleepy Hollow ....

I went to San Domenico School for girls. At the end of Butterfield Rd. :)

It's not just for girls anymore, from what I understand. This September,
I'll attend my 25th High School Reunion with my two bestest girlfriends.
Spouses aren't involved in these reunions. I think that's because most of us
haven't got them. Also, most people (being that half of the girls boarded)
have to travel a fair distance to attend.

Sandra

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, steph wrote:
>
> I too, get fed.  I do a lot of the prep work around here, but
> about the only standing in front of the stove I do anymore is
> French Toast.   That's kind of weird, hunh.

I confess:  I make a cheese souffle. Not often, but it's always good.

Ann

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At 01:27 PM 5/23/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Surely Bonnie does?  I can't have fabricated this idea of Bonnie with a
>blowtorch making the perfect crust . . .

That she does.  However, no blowtorch.

cwv

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> So I'm wondering why all these years I've believed that chicken
> and pancakes was a Southern speciality. Chicken and waffles
> appears to fall into the category of soul food, and Rashmi's c-and-
> w sighting at Sylvia's adds credence to that notion.

Yep. It's definitely a Harlem staple. Well's is the place that's famous. We've talked about it here before.

Marie

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:33:06 -0400
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--On Friday, May 23, 2003 2:16 PM -0700 sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM>
wrote:

>> --On Friday, May 23, 2003 4:07 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
>> <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>>
>> > Are you sure that you don't live in Marin county?
>> >
>> > cwv
>>
>>
>> Sleepy Hollow ....
>
> I went to San Domenico School for girls. At the end of Butterfield Rd. :)
>

I've yet to set foot in CA.  ;-) I believe Clyde is equating my post to
someone currently in residence in Marin county.  I just decided to play
along.

Hope you have fun at your reunion and maybe in Aug when I do set foot in
CA, we'll be able to connect.

Terry

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>  > So I'm wondering why all these years I've believed that chicken
> > and pancakes was a Southern speciality. Chicken and waffles
> > appears to fall into the category of soul food, and Rashmi's c-and-
> > w sighting at Sylvia's adds credence to that notion.
>
> Yep. It's definitely a Harlem staple. Well's is the place that's
> famous. We've talked about it here before.
>
> Marie

My friend, Cait, once called Sylvia to get her cornbread recipe (different
than the one I have seen in her cookbook). It uses something like 4 or 5
egss and is very moist, almost cakelike....not so dry as other variations.
It's tasty.

Sandra

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> --On Friday, May 23, 2003 2:16 PM -0700 sandra
> <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >> --On Friday, May 23, 2003 4:07 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
> >> <cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Are you sure that you don't live in Marin county?
> >> >
> >> > cwv
> >>
> >>
> >> Sleepy Hollow ....
> >
> > I went to San Domenico School for girls. At the end of
> Butterfield Rd. :)
> >
>
> I've yet to set foot in CA.  ;-) I believe Clyde is equating my post to
> someone currently in residence in Marin county.  I just decided to play
> along.
>
> Hope you have fun at your reunion and maybe in Aug when I do set foot in
> CA, we'll be able to connect.
>
> Terry

well, it didn't make sense to me when you said Sleepy Hollow, but I decided
to play along.

Sandra

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In a message dated 05/23/2003 8:05:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Yet another reason not to buy a Dell.

>>

Well, then, how's Gateway?

Evelyn Duncan
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I am only at the beginning of the thread yet, but aren't there many
> _homonyms_ which could be used to compose everyday sentences giving a
> simple idea that do not even seem ambiguous at first?  Something like
> "press one's suit (with...)"? The ambiguity is revealed only when somebody
> happens to read them without a context.

Yes.

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Note that the Chicken and Waffles at the bottom of this page are served with syrup, not gravy. I think that's the classic Harlem style, although I've never had it.

http://www.geocities.com/sandoras_box/History.html

Marie

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>My friend, Cait, once called Sylvia to get her cornbread recipe (different
>than the one I have seen in her cookbook). It uses something like 4 or 5
>egss and is very moist, almost cakelike....not so dry as other variations.
>It's tasty.       --Sandra

I knew someone once who called Julia Child because he was having trouble
with one of her recipes for a dinner party.  Her husband answered the
phone, put Julia on, and she helped him!


    --bonniev

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Did y'all know that eels have an exceptionally good sense of smell -- as
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Par is set for the course, it doesn't change for the tournament. Being one
> over par isn't good but it's not terrible. I think she was tied with 10

Thanks.  If it's set for the course and if being one over isn't terrible
for somebody in a major tournament, then I take it that par is lower
than what good players are likely to do on a hole, right?  I had thought
it was something like the average number of shots for a particular hole.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Good point, Natalie, and I have taken it to heart.  I haven't found a Sol
> LeWitt cube of the same sort, without a lot of crap, so I went back and
> zapped it.

Just link to the image, not to the page with prices, etc.  Like this for
your replacement image:

http://www.crownpoint.com/artists/lewitt/straight.gif

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I'm going nomail for the long weekend - I will be in the woods.
When I come back I will post some pictures.
Have a good weekend, all!
clo

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At 05:08 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>Surely Bonnie does?  I can't have fabricated this idea of Bonnie with a
>>blowtorch making the perfect crust . . .
>>Ann
>
>I don't have a blow torch.  Perhaps I should get one before Acadiafest.

You'll be sorry if you don't.

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At 05:33 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>--On Friday, May 23, 2003 2:16 PM -0700 sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM>
>wrote:
>
>>>--On Friday, May 23, 2003 4:07 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
>>><cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Are you sure that you don't live in Marin county?
>>> >
>>> > cwv
>>>
>>>
>>>Sleepy Hollow ....
>>
>>I went to San Domenico School for girls. At the end of Butterfield Rd. :)
>
>I've yet to set foot in CA.  ;-) I believe Clyde is equating my post to
>someone currently in residence in Marin county.  I just decided to play
>along.
>
>Hope you have fun at your reunion and maybe in Aug when I do set foot in
>CA, we'll be able to connect.

And we'll go to Marin county, too!  It's on the list of things to do with
you.  No chicken and waffles, however.

Betty

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At 05:42 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Note that the Chicken and Waffles at the bottom of this page are served
>with syrup, not gravy. I think that's the classic Harlem style, although
>I've never had it.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/sandoras_box/History.html
>
>Marie

Looks like a healthy heart plate to me.

B

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lisa, on LeBron James:
> We'll see how he does when he gets drafted.

Well, that's pretty much a done deal (though
Kobe Bryant was originally drafted by the
Charlotte [now New Orleans] Hornets, so KJ
might end up in a better <situation> than
playing for the Cadavers).

And anyway, Kobe wasn't very good his first
few years, which really didn't matter in the
long run.  So...

Y'gotta believe he's smarter than to go all
Elvis and ruin himself and blow it all.

Or not.

--
Richard    zebra by the tail & a python in my hand

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T'wild:
>Nothing to apologize for, some of us have learned
>something.  Besides, it is the universal truth in
>your universe.

No way.

Anne was just posting rich, throwing an
offhanded remark about how she is able
to ORDER OFF THE MENU, like that scene
in Get Shorty where Danny DeVito gets
the egg white omelet.

(Get Shorty, right?)

--
"We'll just pick at that."

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Sandra, on some cornbread abomination:
>and is very moist, almost cakelike...

That's fine, and I like that too.

Just don't call it cornbread.

--
green likker soppin' boy

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--bonniev
>I knew someone once who called Julia Child

When in Seattle one time, I called Jeff Smith.

It broke bad on me.

--
Richard    zebra by the tail & a python in my hand

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> Sandra, on some cornbread abomination:
> >and is very moist, almost cakelike...
>
> That's fine, and I like that too.
>
> Just don't call it cornbread.
> --
> green likker soppin' boy

Do you drive a truck?

Sandra

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:23:05 -0400
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--On Friday, May 23, 2003 2:53 PM -0700 Betty Clark
<bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

> And we'll go to Marin county, too!  It's on the list of things to do with
> you.  No chicken and waffles, however.
>
> Betty

Awww.  I'm not so sure it is my taste anyway.  So what kind of regional
specialties do you have lined up?  I feel this trip is now out of my hands.
;-)

Terry

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At 05:33 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:

>I've yet to set foot in CA.  ;-) I believe Clyde is equating my post to
>someone currently in residence in Marin county.  I just decided to play
>along.

No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather, to
the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."

cwv

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Is civet cat one of those things consumed in the belief it enhances sexual
potency?

-aht

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At 07:23 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>--On Friday, May 23, 2003 2:53 PM -0700 Betty Clark
><bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
>>And we'll go to Marin county, too!  It's on the list of things to do with
>>you.  No chicken and waffles, however.
>>
>>Betty
>
>Awww.  I'm not so sure it is my taste anyway.  So what kind of regional
>specialties do you have lined up?  I feel this trip is now out of my hands.
>;-)

Yes, you just have to come West, young lady.

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Havana still is good.  The martinis were at their usual high standard (same
bartender).  Bonnie's salad of fresh greens with local blue cheese was up
to its standard; my shrimp and calamari seviche was very good.  Bonnie's
lobster and shrimp saute was excellent as was my mole-encrusted filet.  The
service was again very good---although we did miss James, who at this
moment is trying to get his restaurant in Southwest Harbor ready for an
early June opening.

cwv

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Awww.  I'm not so sure it is my taste anyway.  So what kind of regional
> specialties do you have lined up?  I feel this trip is now out of my hands.
> ;-)

When is this trip?  I've forgotten.  I think it would be fun to bounce
onto the scene.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I'm puzzled, and I apologize to wordslers for posting a personal belief as
if it were universal truth.
>
> -aht

Oh, like that isn't one of the universalities about being human! (at first I
typed "a wordsler")

I've heard of chicken and waffles, and will agree that it is a soul food
thing. I've even seen it on the electric TV, probably on Food Network.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:05:28 AM, again, all around wrote:
>>it's been 48 years since a woman qualified

> 48 years and counting.

> ...if you want to split hairs.

Something was said about sponsor qualification. What is that?

Karen

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:56:07 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> a 2 day old blog.

> YaY.

I lust after the bowl. But I don't want to put anything in it,
particularly.

Karen

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 2:22:43 PM, again, all around wrote:
> clo:
>> Don't tell me - tell Tiger Woods!

> He must be afraid of her, what with
> ducking this week's match and all.

NOT. He's one of the people who was telling her to Just Do It.

> Next up: Can LeBron James handle the
> "pressure" of finding something to
> do with his 90 million dollars?

Who is LeBron James?

Karen

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 4:39:47 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 05/23/2003 8:05:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Yet another reason not to buy a Dell.

>>>

> Well, then, how's Gateway?

Are they still in business?

Karen

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 2:13:43 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Congrats! Even a fortnight is better than nothing, isn't it?

Oh, yes. And it's nice that I'm working with familiar stuff.

> Otoh... <sigh> ...

Yes. Many sighs.

Karen

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--On Friday, May 23, 2003 7:44 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
<cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather, to
> the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."
>
> cwv

Ok, then I am quite clueless on this one, guess I could read the book.  Is
it good?

Terry

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--On Friday, May 23, 2003 6:42 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
wrote:

> When is this trip?  I've forgotten.  I think it would be fun to bounce
> onto the scene.
>

Aug. 15-18  Are you interested in a Wordsler tattoo?

Terry

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>>No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather, to
>>the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."
>>
>>cwv
>
>Ok, then I am quite clueless on this one, guess I could read the book.  Is
>it good?       --Terry

It's an old book.  They made a movie out of it.  It's funny and pretty
good.  It portrays Marin County as full of bored, rich people who are many
times divorced, believe in every new health cult that comes along, eat
macrobiotic food, and are generally affected and dissipated.   It's
probably very dated.


    --bonniev

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:19:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Fri, 23 May 2003, bonniev wrote:
> It's an old book.  They made a movie out of it.  It's funny and pretty
> good.  It portrays Marin County as full of bored, rich people who are many
> times divorced, believe in every new health cult that comes along, eat
> macrobiotic food, and are generally affected and dissipated.   It's
> probably very dated.

They should just update it.

There was this big mystery about why there is such a high breast cancer
rate for women in Marin County.  Looks like it's turning out, too many
sprouts . . . NO HA HA HA too much liquor.

And did you read, that SF population on the average read more and drink
more than anybody else?

Ann

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:21:28 -0500
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Friday, May 23, 2003, 9:19:17 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> There was this big mystery about why there is such a high breast cancer
> rate for women in Marin County.  Looks like it's turning out, too many
> sprouts . . . NO HA HA HA too much liquor.

I thought it was the late-baby thing.

> And did you read, that SF population on the average read more and drink
> more than anybody else?

I put Austin up against SF any day--in both categories.

Karen

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:37:10 -0400
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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> It's an old book.  They made a movie out of it.  It's funny and pretty
> good.  It portrays Marin County as full of bored, rich people who are many
> times divorced, believe in every new health cult that comes along, eat
> macrobiotic food, and are generally affected and dissipated.   It's
> probably very dated.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I'm bored already ;-)

Terry

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > And did you read, that SF population on the average read more and drink
> > more than anybody else?
> I put Austin up against SF any day--in both categories.

Well, Austin might drink more and read more, but San Francisco SPENDS MORE
on drink and literature.

And on everything else I guess.

Ann

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Aug. 15-18  Are you interested in a Wordsler tattoo?

Sure.  But I think Aug. 15-18 is too late for me.  I've agreed to teach
Descriptive English Grammar fall semester, and I think fall semester
starts around that time.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 04:52 PM 05/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Did y'all know that eels have an exceptionally good sense of smell -- as
>good or better than dogs?

Yes

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Excellent!  Looking forward to it.  So many places to eat . . . . .

BB

At 07:51 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>Havana still is good.  The martinis were at their usual high standard (same
>bartender).  Bonnie's salad of fresh greens with local blue cheese was up
>to its standard; my shrimp and calamari seviche was very good.  Bonnie's
>lobster and shrimp saute was excellent as was my mole-encrusted filet.  The
>service was again very good---although we did miss James, who at this
>moment is trying to get his restaurant in Southwest Harbor ready for an
>early June opening.
>
>cwv

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At 06:42 PM 5/23/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > Awww.  I'm not so sure it is my taste anyway.  So what kind of regional
> > specialties do you have lined up?  I feel this trip is now out of my hands.
> > ;-)
>
>When is this trip?  I've forgotten.  I think it would be fun to bounce
>onto the scene.

A week end in August.  I forgot. LOL

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Larry Clark wrote:
> >Did y'all know that eels have an exceptionally good sense of smell -- as
> >good or better than dogs?
>
> Yes

Thank you for replying.  I was beginning to think that nobody knew or
cared about eels.  I learned about eels and smell today when boxing up
some more books to take to give to Friends of the Library.  One of them
I started looking at was a dog book which mentioned that dogs'
exceptionally sensitive sense of smell is rivaled only by eels.  I had
not realized that.

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I turned the tv set on a couple of hours ago and have left it running in
the other room (the room that now has a new ceiling fan -- loved the
electricman who came today), with an Auburn-Alabama game going.  The
MSU-LSU game started only a few minutes ago.  Is this not awfully late
at night to be starting a baseball game??  I'm about to go turn it off
and go to bed.  I'll find out tomorrow who won.  (And yes -- it's in
this time zone.  It's somewhere like a Birmingham suburb, I think.)
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Are you good at them?  My hunch is that it has more to do with genes
> than with names.  Or possibly that it has to do with things
> learned in
> childhood.

It was a given in our household that you spend as little money on things as possible, and that meant not hiring people to do things you can do yourself. And really, you can do pretty much anything yourself. My parents do electrical work, plumbing work, woodwork, wallpapering, tiling, and pretty much everything else themselves.

They don't always do the best job, but it's CHEAP. And they do do a pretty good job.

I come from that background, but spend so many years renting, and not doing anything much to improve my temporary digs (never lived anywhere longer than three years), so I didn't gain any skills, but I still have the above mindset.

However, the tiling episode taught me that there are some things that should be left to the professionals, especially now that that tile job is adjacent to the new kitchen tile job. It's obvious which was the professional job. Of course, it DID cost $1500.

On the other hand, the kitchen cabinets cost us about $100 total (plus a weekend of our lives), but they look great and I don't think any professional could have done a better job, and also would have probably charged several hundred dollars.

So you find the things you can do. And you figure out if it's worth it, timewise, or if you might regret not having a *perfect* job.

Mostly I just paint.

Marie

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>a dog book which mentioned that dogs' exceptionally sensitive sense of
>smell is rivaled only by eels.

Water smelling counts a little differently in my book than air smelling,
but I think there are other fish that have a more sensitive sense of smell
than dogs, too -- e.g., salmon.

I had thought that migratory eels (Anguilla anguilla, for instance, who
migrate from Europe to the Sargasso Sea) navigate by smell, but on Googling
it seems scientists don't know yet -- it could be magnetic or electrical or
something else, along with scent.

Pete

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 9:37:53 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Well, Austin might drink more and read more, but San Francisco SPENDS MORE
> on drink and literature.

Maybe. But I bet if you broke down budgets, Austin would be relatively
high for drink and literature, and relatively low (compared to SF) for
food.

> And on everything else I guess.

Oh, probably.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Having a penis.

Typically works for people.

But since not all animals use penises, a good, general biological answer is
"the ones which produce larger quantities of smaller, motile gametes."  I
happen to know this from running across the word "anisogamy" one day and
then tracking down what it meant.  Excuse a word post, but here are the
KaminskiWiki entries:

Isogamy: Having gametes of roughly the same size. This is apparently an
evolutionarily unstable condition; sooner or later a bimodal distribution
of size, anisogamy, evolves.

Anisogamy: Having gametes that differ greatly in size; i.e., ova and sperm.
This results in genders; by biological definition, females who produce
large ova, and males who produce small sperm.

Evolution selects for anisogamy over isogamy because having a female
produce large, nutritive gametes (ova) enhances survival of the resulting
zygote after fertilization. Males are then selected for producing large
quantities of small, fast, motile gametes (sperm) that have the best
probability of fertilizing ova.

Pete

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:34:16 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Evolution selects for anisogamy over isogamy because having a female
> produce large, nutritive gametes (ova) enhances survival of the resulting
> zygote after fertilization. Males are then selected for producing large
> quantities of small, fast, motile gametes (sperm) that have the best
> probability of fertilizing ova.

Thank you! You are weird, but informative.

I think of you every time I see that GE commercial.

Karen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Here's what I think is awkward:  replying to comments on a blog.  At least
when people don't give their address.  Because isn't it unrealistic and
egotistic to think that people will CHECK BACK to see responses?

So here's a note to Tony:  I responded to your comment, thanks.  And to
Adam:  :)  and thanks here, though I didn't answer on the site.

Even this way seems kind of egotistic, because who else cares & blah blah
blah.

So, in summary, I have decided:  I will reply to comments if I have
something to say and I WON'T (beyond this message) reply anywhere else
except personal e-mail and posting back on the blog site.

common sense, thanks for listening to me think it through.

Ann

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Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:53:18 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> common sense, thanks for listening to me think it through.

So are you ever going to post any words of your own on this blog, or
is it all going to be artwork?

Not that I mind--you have VERY eclectic taste.

Karen

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> At 05:33 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>
> >I've yet to set foot in CA.  ;-) I believe Clyde is equating my post to
> >someone currently in residence in Marin county.  I just decided to play
> >along.
>
> No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather, to
> the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."
>
> cwv

The author (Cyra McFadden's) daughter was in my class (of about 25 girls). I
remember in our freshman class, when we went 'round and told a bit about us
and our family...Carrie said, "my mom's writing a book." We all rolled our
eyes. And then...lo and behold....her book and the infamy of being massaged
by peacock feathers.

Sandra

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16:52 23.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Did y'all know that eels have an exceptionally good sense of smell -- as
>good or better than dogs?

Smoked eels smell good.

Espen

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21:54 23.05.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Larry Clark wrote:
>> >Did y'all know that eels have an exceptionally good sense of smell -- as
>> >good or better than dogs?
>>
>> Yes
>
>Thank you for replying.  I was beginning to think that nobody knew or
>cared about eels.  I learned about eels and smell today when boxing up

I made sandwiches with smoked eel this morning.

Espen

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> It was a given in our household that you spend as little money on things as > possible, and that meant not hiring people to do things you can do yourself. And

That first part was a given in our household also, but it meant that we
simply didn't get most things fixed if they broke.  The dishwasher quit
working within the first few years of our moving into that house (which
we moved into when I was five), and it sat there unusable for the rest
of my childhood.  I think it was finally repaired or replaced sometime
after I was gone -- like twenty or more years after it broke.  I also
remember that for a big chunk of my childhood the kitchen light didn't
work.  We got along with a lamp over the kitchen table and the little
light over the sink.

> They don't always do the best job, but it's CHEAP. And they do do a pretty good

It's not cheap for somebody who has to hire professionals to come in and
rip out their mess.  I think I told a few days ago the story of my
parents and the attempted kitchen-flooring job.  It would've been much
cheaper if they'd hired somebody to do it in the first place.

> So you find the things you can do. And you figure out if it's worth it, timewise,

I agree with that philosophy, which is why I don't pay people to do
things like cut my grass or clean my house or anything else I am capable
of doing.  And why I told the electrician yesterday not to bother with
sweeping up the mess he'd made when he asked for a broom with the
intention of cleaning it up.  I needed him for electrical and assembly
matters, not for sweeping.  It's also why I took up a brick patio myself
at my previous house (a job much bigger than it sounds), the bathroom
flooring in this house, etc.  Ripping things up is something I'm capable
of doing.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Water smelling counts a little differently in my book than air smelling,
> but I think there are other fish that have a more sensitive sense of smell
> than dogs, too -- e.g., salmon.

As another example of how bound we are by our own cultures, I have to
admit that I had never really thought before about smelling fish (to
give Karen another ambiguous phrase).  Since I can't smell under water,
I just assumed (in the sense of not thinking about it at all -- if I had
thought about it, I might have realized that fish and people don't have
the same operating procedures) that fish didn't smell -- that smelling
doesn't work under water.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >Having a penis.
>
> Typically works for people.
>
> But since not all animals use penises, a good, general biological answer is
> "the ones which produce larger quantities of smaller, motile gametes."  I

Thank you.  If asked for a more scientific definition of maleness, I
would probably have mentioned chromosomes, which again would have
excluded some creatures.  In the future I will try to think gametes.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> Here's what I think is awkward:  replying to comments on a blog.  At least
> when people don't give their address.  Because isn't it unrealistic and
> egotistic to think that people will CHECK BACK to see responses?

This is something about blogs that has bothered me all along -- the idea
that people will look at them at all.  But at least I don't have the
problem of replying to comments since mine doesn't suck in comments.
You could always write a reply addressed to others, thereby not showing
an expectation that that person will check back -- something like "I'm
glad Dorcus commented on [whatever]."

> So here's a note to Tony:  I responded to your comment, thanks.  And to
> Adam:  :)  and thanks here, though I didn't answer on the site.
>
> Even this way seems kind of egotistic, because who else cares & blah blah
> blah.

I care.  It makes me want to return to your blog to see what Tony and
Adam said.  But I've forgotten the url.  Can you post it again?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> I made sandwiches with smoked eel this morning.

But we're still a way away from eel-eating day.  This cold weather we've
been having makes it seem even farther away.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>The dishwasher quit
>working within the first few years of our moving into that house (which
>we moved into when I was five), and it sat there unusable for the rest
>of my childhood.   -- Natalie

I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
dishwashers.  I've only lived in a house with one in the past seven years.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 7:39:32 AM, bonniev wrote:
> I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
> guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
> dishwashers.

You'd be wrong. My mother insisted that if she were to give birth to
twins (rounding us up to 4 boys and 4 girls), that she would have to
have a dishwasher. That was about 40 years ago. They were common
enough then that it wasn't an unreasonable demand.

Karen

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At 10:49 PM 5/23/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:34:16 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Evolution selects for anisogamy over isogamy because having a female
> > produce large, nutritive gametes (ova) enhances survival of the resulting
> > zygote after fertilization. Males are then selected for producing large
> > quantities of small, fast, motile gametes (sperm) that have the best
> > probability of fertilizing ova.
>
>Thank you! You are weird, but informative.

I was waiting for him to launch into K-selection and r-selection.

cwv

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At 08:19 PM 5/23/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Water smelling counts a little differently in my book than air smelling,

Why would that be?  It still is the ability to discriminate a chemical
molecule suspended in a fluid.


>but I think there are other fish that have a more sensitive sense of smell
>than dogs, too -- e.g., salmon.

Absolutely.  My major prof. (Art Hasler) pretty much made his name in
research on the ability of fish, especially salmon, to detect and respond
to olfactory cues.  A fish's nervous system is largely geared to processing
olfactory information.  In talking about olfactory sensitivity of fish, Art
used the analogy of being able to detect one molecule in a volume the size
of an average room.


>I had thought that migratory eels (Anguilla anguilla, for instance, who
>migrate from Europe to the Sargasso Sea) navigate by smell, but on Googling
>it seems scientists don't know yet -- it could be magnetic or electrical or
>something else, along with scent.

Both species (anguilla and rostrata---the N.A. species) migrate to the same
area to reproduce; then the offspring sort themselves out and return to
their parental areas.  Homing orientation for most fish species probably is
the result of using several cues.  Salmon, for instance, probably use
olfaction only once they are in the vicinity of land and their natal
stream; even Art admitted that it's pretty far-fetched to think of them
following a chemical cue all the way from the Bering Sea to a Pacific
Northwest stream.  Saul Saila (URI) used Monte Carlo techniques to show
that for open-ocean homing migrations, a random-walk model could explain
much of it.  Then, if one added a little bias based on sun direction &
angle/magnetic/etc., voila!

cwv

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bonniev wrote:

>> The dishwasher quit
>> working within the first few years of our moving into that house (which
>> we moved into when I was five), and it sat there unusable for the rest
>> of my childhood.   -- Natalie
>
>
> I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
> guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
> dishwashers.  I've only lived in a house with one in the past seven years.


        No, my parents' house had a dishwasher when it was built...
around 1972 I think.  Anyway, the first time I didn't have
one was when I moved out into my own apartments (dorms don't
count).


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev wrote:

> I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
> guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
> dishwashers.  I've only lived in a house with one in the past seven years.

We built that house in '47, and the dishwasher was included.  My current
house is the only one I've ever bought that had a dishwasher (but it
doesn't have a garbage disposal).  A dishwasher was added in my previous
house when I had the kitchen remodeled, not really so much because I
felt the need of it -- I almost never use a dishwasher, but because it
seemed a <logical> thing to include in the plan.  I'm glad it's there
since renters these days expect such devices.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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First dishwasher was patented in 1850:

|There's relief in sight for dish-pan hands in 1850, when Joel Houghton
patents a
|wooden machine with a hand-turned wheel that splashes water on dishes.
from: http://www2.whirlpool.com/html/homelife/cookin/cookdw5.htm

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At 07:32 AM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > >Having a penis.
> >
> > Typically works for people.
> >
> > But since not all animals use penises, a good, general biological answer is
> > "the ones which produce larger quantities of smaller, motile gametes."  I
>
>Thank you.  If asked for a more scientific definition of maleness, I
>would probably have mentioned chromosomes, which again would have
>excluded some creatures.

Which creatures are there that you believe don't possess chromosomes?

cwv

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In reading this

|Water spots are no longer a problem after 1940 when the first
fully-automatic
|dishwasher with heated drying debuts

I started wondering if most people use heated drying.  Do y'all?  I
never do.  I tell it no-heat dry.  When it finishes doing its thing, I
open the door and pull the racks out and let the dishes dry in the
kitchen's air.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Which creatures are there that you believe don't possess chromosomes?

I didn't mean that they don't possess chromosomes -- I meant that they
didn't have the male/female chromosome difference.  But we're way into a
topic I know nothing about.  And now that I think about it, what was
stuck in my head about unisexual worms wouldn't fit anyway since they
wouldn't be considered male or female, right?  (There are unisexual
worms, aren't there?)  What about chromosomes of mules?  Do some have
male and some female numbers?

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= admit that I had never really thought before about smelling fish (to
= give Karen another ambiguous phrase).  Since I can't smell under water,

There's one on some posters up around the city:  I shot my
parents and had them framed.

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bonniev:
= >The dishwasher quit
= >working within the first few years of our moving into that house (which
= >we moved into when I was five), and it sat there unusable for the rest
= >of my childhood.   -- Natalie
=
= I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
= guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
= dishwashers.  I've only lived in a house with one in the past seven years.

Our house when I was a kid had a dishwasher built in.  I don't
remember from the apartment before it, but we moved in to the
house in 1969.

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At 08:11 AM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I didn't mean that they don't possess chromosomes -- I meant that they
>didn't have the male/female chromosome difference.  But we're way into a
>topic I know nothing about.  And now that I think about it, what was
>stuck in my head about unisexual worms wouldn't fit anyway since they
>wouldn't be considered male or female, right?

I don't recall any unisexual worms.  There are hermaphroditic worms (both
sexes).  There also are some fish species that can shift from one sex to
the other.

>  What about chromosomes of mules?  Do some have
>male and some female numbers?

Mules are male, jennys are female (I think).  They are infertile, not asexual.

cwv

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I talked to Doris Friday night.  Gene's surgery went well. Gene is
recovering so well that they are talking about sending him home on
Tuesday.   Doris is in good spirits and two of her kids are with her.
One daughter, who is a nurse, will be going back to Norfolk for a few
days once Gene is released.
--
Sylvia Edwards
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Natalie Maynor:
= In reading this
=
= |Water spots are no longer a problem after 1940 when the first
= fully-automatic
= |dishwasher with heated drying debuts
=
= I started wondering if most people use heated drying.  Do y'all?  I
= never do.  I tell it no-heat dry.  When it finishes doing its thing, I
= open the door and pull the racks out and let the dishes dry in the
= kitchen's air.
=

If I happen to be in the kitchen when it reaches this stage, I
do.  But my dishwasher is not smart enough to be told to turn off
then.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> I don't recall any unisexual worms.  There are hermaphroditic worms (both
> sexes).  There also are some fish species that can shift from one sex to
> the other.

Maybe it's the hermaphroditic worms I was thinking of.  The fish that
can shift sex are even more interesting, though.  I didn't know about
them.  Do they kiss their elbows when they want to change?  And does
their chromosomal arrangement change with each shift?

> Mules are male, jennys are female (I think).  They are infertile, not asexual.

Ah.  So mules screw?  It's like they've had vasectomies sort of?

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> One daughter, who is a nurse, will be going back to Norfolk for a few
> days once Gene is released.

This is excellent.

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steph wrote:
> = I started wondering if most people use heated drying.  Do y'all?  I
> = never do.  I tell it no-heat dry.  When it finishes doing its thing, I
> = open the door and pull the racks out and let the dishes dry in the
> = kitchen's air.
>
> If I happen to be in the kitchen when it reaches this stage, I
> do.  But my dishwasher is not smart enough to be told to turn off
> then.

I discovered (in my previous house) that one had to let the dishwasher
go through the drying cycle, even though it was on the no-heat setting
-- that if you opened it before it was finished, it wouldn't work the
next time.  I assume that's true in this house also, though I've never
tested it.  Iow, when I say "finishes doing its thing," I mean clicking
on through the drying cycle, heatlessly.

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>Iow, when I say "finishes doing its thing," I mean clicking
>on through the drying cycle, heatlessly.
>  -- Natalie

On mine you can just manually advance the knob and stop the clicking.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Iow, when I say "finishes doing its thing," I mean clicking
> >on through the drying cycle, heatlessly.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> On mine you can just manually advance the knob and stop the clicking.

I should try that on this one sometime.

Meanwhile, on to a new house project:  A sliver of weather-stripping is
flopping around under my door.  I tried to stuff it back in line with
its end that's still attached, but it just flops out again.  Should I
try glueing it?  What kind of glue works on rubbery stuff of that kind?
I've also never bothered to add a threshold thingy at the bottom of this
door.  (This is the door I had put in where a window was.)  I bet I
should do that.  I could actually just get some kind of piece of wood
and put there, I guess.

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Thanks for posting this.  I finally got around to reading it.  It is well
done.  And I hope his conclusion proves true.

>  but this, delivered yesterday on the floor of
>the US Senate by Robert Byrd of W Va is a damned fine speech
>- BrP
>
>------------------------------
>May 21, 2003
>
>"The Truth Will Emerge"
>
>... ...   Because eventually, like it always does, the truth will
>emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.

    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>  And I hope his conclusion proves true.

Almost exactly my words when I blogged it:

|Let us hope that Senator Byrd is right in believing that "the truth
will emerge" and |"this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall":
from: http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/


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02003-05-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Here's what I think is awkward:  replying to comments on a blog.  At least
> when people don't give their address.  Because isn't it unrealistic and
> egotistic to think that people will CHECK BACK to see responses?

No.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 8:07:49 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I started wondering if most people use heated drying.  Do y'all?

No.

> I never do. I tell it no-heat dry. When it finishes doing its thing,
> I open the door and pull the racks out and let the dishes dry in the
> kitchen's air.

I do this on the rare occasion that I am awake and aware that it's
done. I usually turn it on before I go to bed.

Karen

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 8:50:06 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I discovered (in my previous house) that one had to let the dishwasher
> go through the drying cycle, even though it was on the no-heat setting
> -- that if you opened it before it was finished, it wouldn't work the
> next time.  I assume that's true in this house also, though I've never
> tested it.  Iow, when I say "finishes doing its thing," I mean clicking
> on through the drying cycle, heatlessly.

Can't you just advance the knob? Or is it digital?

Karen

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:53:18 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > common sense, thanks for listening to me think it through.
>
> So are you ever going to post any words of your own on this blog, or
> is it all going to be artwork?

I'm thinking I'll use the comments part for any words other than titles of
the art.

One drawback of this software is that it won't work on a Mac (because it
requires IE5.5 or better.  That means I can't do anything but comments
when I'm home.

Ann

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Ann Borkin:
= On Fri, 23 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
=
= > Friday, May 23, 2003, 10:53:18 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
= > > common sense, thanks for listening to me think it through.
= >
= > So are you ever going to post any words of your own on this blog, or
= > is it all going to be artwork?
=
= I'm thinking I'll use the comments part for any words other than titles of
= the art.
=
= One drawback of this software is that it won't work on a Mac (because it
= requires IE5.5 or better.  That means I can't do anything but comments
= when I'm home.
=
= Ann

It's not too late to start over with software you can use.

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> I care.  It makes me want to return to your blog to see what Tony and
> Adam said.  But I've forgotten the url.  Can you post it again?

www.annaborinki.com

Ann

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clyde w. voigtlander writes,

>Why would that be?  It still is the ability to discriminate a chemical
>molecule suspended in a fluid.

But air and water are rather qualitatively different fluids,
no?  Differences in diffusion rates, flow and turbulence characteristics,
chemical interaction with scent molecules, etc. all mean changes by orders
of magnitude in what can be smelled and how sensitively.

Pete

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02003-05-24 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> One drawback of this software is that it won't work on a Mac (because it
> requires IE5.5 or better.  That means I can't do anything but comments
> when I'm home.

I am not sure this is true ...

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At 08:47 AM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Ah.  So mules screw?  It's like they've had vasectomies sort of?

I have managed to keep my curiosity regarding the sex lives of mules within
bounds.  However, it doesn't really matter.  What does matter is that
either the gametes do not unite, or having united, do not develop into
viable embryos.

cwv

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> But air and water are rather qualitatively different fluids,
> no?  Differences in diffusion rates, flow and turbulence characteristics,
> chemical interaction with scent molecules, etc. all mean changes by orders
> of magnitude in what can be smelled and how sensitively.

Fish can smell but they can't SNIFF.

I have spoken.

Ann

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, steph wrote:
>
> It's not too late to start over with software you can use.

That's true, but this is in beta I gather and I get to bitch and complain
to the designers!

Ann>

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Ann Borkin writes,

>www.annaborinki.com

It's a degenerate blog that doesn't have a blogroll, or especially
permalinks.  (Not to discourage you -- blogging is great!  I'm just saying.)

But my real question is asked because I organize my blogroll by authors'
names (or pseudonyms), instead of blogs' names.  Is the name of your blog
the title, or a pseudonym?

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > tested it.  Iow, when I say "finishes doing its thing," I mean clicking
> > on through the drying cycle, heatlessly.
>
> Can't you just advance the knob? Or is it digital?

I can't remember whether I've tried that.  No, it's not digital -- it
has a knob.  Would it upset it if I advanced the knob?  I don't want to
do anything <pushy> to it.

I've been researching the weatherstripping on the bottom of my door and
have ascertained that hacksaws and helpers are involved.  Doesn't sound
good.  I do have a tiny hacksaw, though -- the one I bought to saw off
the screws of the toilet.
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> www.annaborinki.com

Thank you.  I'll bookmark it this time.

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Interesting.  Why are Boo's and Tony's addresses clickable -- I mean the
addresses pop into the "to" line if their names are clicked on, while
the others aren't?  The others pop up my composition screen but with
nothing in the "to" line.

When are more objects going to be added?  I do love the bowl but am
ready to move on to new items.

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
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> It's a degenerate blog that doesn't have a blogroll, or especially
> permalinks.  (Not to discourage you -- blogging is great!  I'm just saying.)

I think this will remain a rather Spartan - ok, degenerate - ok piss-poor
blog; although eventually I will have a blogroll & links, I think.

> But my real question is asked because I organize my blogroll by authors'
> names (or pseudonyms), instead of blogs' names.  Is the name of your blog
> the title, or a pseudonym?

It's a title and a pseudonym both, right now.  Another title may reveal
itself as the right one, later.

thanks, Pete

Ann

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> When are more objects going to be added?  I do love the bowl but am
> ready to move on to new items.

My goal is one a day, but since I can't do this at home, MM weekend is a
problem.  Later today I'll be in SF and will try to add something at SF
Public - nothing as nice as the bowl, though, just something messier, I'll
look for a German expressionist.

So I'd say check back in a week or so.

Ann

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> It's a degenerate blog that doesn't have a blogroll, or especially
> permalinks.  (Not to discourage you -- blogging is great!  I'm just saying.)

Hmm.  I don't think Blogger offers a place for blogrolling.  What are
permalinks?  Do you mean like a blogroll -- links to websites of various
kinds?

I wondered why AnnBork's url in her comment wasn't clickable, btw.  Does
the software not allow html?

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Public - nothing as nice as the bowl, though, just something messier, I'll
> look for a German expressionist.

Here's a possibility:

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex7b.JPG

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At 08:40 AM 5/24/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>But air and water are rather qualitatively different fluids,
>no?  Differences in diffusion rates, flow and turbulence characteristics,
>chemical interaction with scent molecules, etc. all mean changes by orders
>of magnitude in what can be smelled and how sensitively.

My civil engineering colleagues at TVA who specialized in flows and flow
characteristics of both fluids, would probably hold that the only
substantial difference would be in diffusion rate.  The real difference
remains with the organism---how it is designed to detect, identify, and
interpret the chemical molecules that impinge upon its olfactory receptors.

cwv

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At 08:44 AM 5/24/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Fish can smell but they can't SNIFF.

They don't have to sniff---they are designed so that there is a reasonably
constant flow of fluid, and hence chemical information, across their receptors.

cwv

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> bonniev wrote:
>
> > I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
> > guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
> > dishwashers.  I've only lived in a house with one in the past
> seven years.
>
> We built that house in '47, and the dishwasher was included.  My current
> house is the only one I've ever bought that had a dishwasher (but it
> doesn't have a garbage disposal).  A dishwasher was added in my previous
> house when I had the kitchen remodeled, not really so much because I
> felt the need of it -- I almost never use a dishwasher, but because it
> seemed a <logical> thing to include in the plan.  I'm glad it's there
> since renters these days expect such devices.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I imagine a house for sale in '47, a dishwasher included, would have been a
tremendous selling feature.

Sandra

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> bonniev:
> = >The dishwasher quit
> = >working within the first few years of our moving into that house (which
> = >we moved into when I was five), and it sat there unusable for the rest
> = >of my childhood.   -- Natalie
> =
> = I had no idea there were dishwashers in private homes way back then.  My
> = guess would have been that it's been about 25 years since homes at
> = dishwashers.  I've only lived in a house with one in the past
> seven years.
>
> Our house when I was a kid had a dishwasher built in.  I don't
> remember from the apartment before it, but we moved in to the
> house in 1969.

The entire 3 months I was in Oakland, I used the diswasher 3 times.

Sandra

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sandra wrote:

> I imagine a house for sale in '47, a dishwasher included, would have been a
> tremendous selling feature.

It wasn't for sale.  It was being built -- late '47, early '48.  We
moved in the summer of '48.

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> sandra wrote:
>
> > I imagine a house for sale in '47, a dishwasher included, would
> have been a
> > tremendous selling feature.
>
> It wasn't for sale.  It was being built -- late '47, early '48.  We
> moved in the summer of '48.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, I understood that.

Sandra

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Ann Borkin writes,

>I think this will remain a rather Spartan - ok, degenerate - ok piss-poor
>blog; although eventually I will have a blogroll & links, I think.

Spartan would be great.  It's not piss-poor, even now, but the blogroll and
permalinks will enable it to be hooked it into blogspace.

>It's a title and a pseudonym both, right now.  Another title may reveal
>itself as the right one, later.

Consider yourself blogrolled, Anna Borinki!

Pete

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=
= The entire 3 months I was in Oakland, I used the diswasher 3 times.
=
= Sandra

Mine is running right now!  Sometimes, when things get wild in
the kitchen here we run it twice in one day!

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Hmm.  I don't think Blogger offers a place for blogrolling.

You can hack it into your template (or find someone else's template that
includes a blogroll, and hack that).  ObResource: blogrolling.com.  It
won't help setting up the template, but it'll maintain the blogroll data
for you, which you then get to auto-update into your blogroll
space.  (Generally, I'm not crazy about services like this for the simple
fact that the more servers you pull from to render the page the slower the
page is going to get.)

>What are permalinks?  Do you mean like a blogroll -- links to websites of
>various kinds?

Nope.  Permalinks are the links that point specifically to one post,
forever.  On some blogs the text they show is something small like "#"; on
your blog, it's the time: "posted by Natalie at [9:41 AM]".

Permalinks (and the implied archives) are one of my favorite examples of a
tiny and incredibly obvious innovation that catalyzes a huge system
change.  They're what allow one blog post to point unambiguously to a post
on another blog, instead of "click [here] to go to the site, then scroll
down looking for (blah)"; and they don't scroll off the bottom of the page
over time -- they always work.  These things enabled the huge explosion in
inter-linking and distribution of post-to-post links to additional blogs
that resulted in blogspace.

Pete

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At 07:22 PM 5/24/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>=
>= The entire 3 months I was in Oakland, I used the diswasher 3 times.
>=
>= Sandra
>
>Mine is running right now!  Sometimes, when things get wild in
>the kitchen here we run it twice in one day!

So is mine! Since the kids moved out we usually end up running it about
every third day unless Larry gets wild in the kitchen.

Betty

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mem writes,

>Apropos that, one of the local newspapers ran a syndicated piece by Warren
>Buffet yesterday that comments on the folly of Bush's plan.

I thought Buffet's "Dividend Voodoo" piece was beautifully written.
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13113-2003May19.html>

Perhaps the charades are starting to wear thin:

Joe Conason's Journal
What the poll numbers really say about our "hugely popular Republican
commander in chief."
<http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/05/22/economy/>

Pete

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> I talked to Doris Friday night.  Gene's surgery went well. Gene is
> recovering so well that they are talking about sending him home on
> Tuesday.   Doris is in good spirits and two of her kids are with her.
> One daughter, who is a nurse, will be going back to Norfolk for a few
> days once Gene is released.

Great you reported. Thanks for good news!

Kristin

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Permalinks (and the implied archives) are one of my favorite examples of a
> tiny and incredibly obvious innovation that catalyzes a huge system
> change.  They're what allow one blog post to point unambiguously to a post
> on another blog, instead of "click [here] to go to the site, then scroll
> down looking for (blah)";

Ah so.  Indeed a good invention/innovation.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> <http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/05/22/economy/>

I don't like salon.com because with all the wonderful free sites out
there, it seems odd to have to pay.  So I'm not a salon.com subscriber.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I don't like salon.com because with all the wonderful free sites out
>there, it seems odd to have to pay.  So I'm not a salon.com subscriber.

I'm not either, right now.  But they've got the cool advertiser-sponsored
day pass access thing if you'd like to check something out.

Pete

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Are you going to watch Eurovision song contest today?

As it has become usual for me I almost do not know anything about it
beforehand, only have had a glance on photos in newspapers and read a
few lines about it. But at the moment I'm trying to find a web site that
would show it. Strange enough, I haven't found any yet. Well, if I
retain enough sense, I'll go home without watching it, but it irritates
me a bit that finding a right web site is taking so much time. Well,
I've searched only for Estonian sites yet, and will start a search with
English words right away.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>I've searched only for Estonian sites yet, and will start a search with
>English words right away.

A few links:

http://www.eurovision.tv/public/
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/waterloo/2003/

(have to unwrap this one)
http://directory.google.com/
Top/Arts/Music/Songwriting/Contests/Eurovision_Song_Contest/

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> A few links:
>
> http://www.eurovision.tv/public/
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/waterloo/2003/
>
> (have to unwrap this one)
> http://directory.google.com/
> Top/Arts/Music/Songwriting/Contests/Eurovision_Song_Contest/

Thanks. I was exploring the first one a moment ago. I hope the link named
webcam will work in an half an hour. Just wanting to try.

Kristin

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex7b.JPG

Natalie, you bad thing.

Ann

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I wondered why AnnBork's url in her comment wasn't clickable, btw.  Does
> the software not allow html?

Not in the comments, apparently.  This is a serious design flaw!

Ann

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Consider yourself blogrolled, Anna Borinki!

~~~~~~ thrill ~~~~~~

Ann

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> Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> > Public - nothing as nice as the bowl, though, just something messier, I'll
> > look for a German expressionist.
>
> Here's a possibility:
>
> http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex7b.JPG
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I like Nolde's Fishing steamer!

Maybe I should've sent a statement to the blog to vitalize it but that can wait.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > http://www.eurovision.tv/public/
>  I hope the link named
> webcam will work in an half an hour. Just wanting to try.

Hmm. For the first 5 minutes I *listened* it over BBC (RealOne player), until
the link from the page mentioned above opened in Media Player. Aamf, I had to
try several links on that page. All of them are mute! So, if I could play
both players, I could both see and hear. Well, there's another computer in my
room on a cow-orkers table. Whether it is all worth it, I wonder :)

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Hmm. For the first 5 minutes I *listened* it over BBC (RealOne player), until
> the link from the page mentioned above opened in Media Player. Aamf, I had to
> try several links on that page. All of them are mute! So, if I could play
> both players, I could both see and hear. Well, there's another computer in my
> room on a cow-orkers table. Whether it is all worth it, I wonder :)

Well, in the other computer the site didn't open at all. But somehow I managed to
make playing both the R1P and WMP. Though I'm not sure yet whether they render
the same thing. (lol) The sound from BBC is that of the contest. Is the picture
right from there? Perhaps not. They seem to sing there at the time when the
audience's applauding can be heard over the radio. Funny. What do they show
there, I wonder. It seems I am having a really interesting night.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv writes,

>It seems I am having a really interesting night.

I've been fiddling with a stitching program to combine four digital photos
of a beautiful double rainbow the family was lucky enough to witness in
mid-April so you can see the whole thing in one image.

I'm using the superlative stitcher from Panorama Tools, which is complex
enough to use that I'm using a helper program, PTGui.  Together, they're
powerful but finicky, and I've had all the parameters pretty close, but I
still can't get a minor curve out of the horizon, even after an inordinate
amount of time and fiddling.

Everything else is good, so I gave up on that, and now I've let it start
rendering a Photoshop file I can go in and touch up to create the final image.

I'm not sure which one of is being less productive. :)

Pete

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> It's a title and a pseudonym both, right now.  Another title may reveal
> itself as the right one, later.

You should call yourself DJ Terminator.

-aht

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02003-05-24 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Nope.  Permalinks are the links that point specifically to one post,
> forever.  On some blogs the text they show is something small like "#";
> on your blog, it's the time: "posted by Natalie at [9:41 AM]".

I can find that text fine, perhaps because I wasn't looking for
the word "permalink".

Anyway, a permalink to an external link is ... I am dizzy ...

> Permalinks (and the implied archives) are one of my favorite examples of
> a tiny and incredibly obvious innovation that catalyzes a huge system
> change.  They're what allow one blog post to point unambiguously to a post
> on another blog, instead of "click [here] to go to the site, then scroll
> down looking for (blah)"; and they don't scroll off the bottom of the page
> over time -- they always work.  These things enabled the huge explosion in
> inter-linking and distribution of post-to-post links to additional blogs
> that resulted in blogspace.

Man, please.

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5/23/2003, 9:28 AM, bonniev wrote:

b> What kind of BMI score will your WW goal give you?  I know that you can set
b> your WW goal to be anything you want and that some people set it higher
b> than what would be a healthy BMI range.

However, BMIs are semi-bullshit, since they don't account for whether
the weight for the height is fat or muscle.  There are many muscular
male football players and others who have BMIs that say they're obese,
but they're well under fifteen percent fat.

BMI may not be as bad as the ancient insurance weight charts, and they
have some value as a quick estimate, but to take them as gospel is
just plain stupid.

b> Even harder than losing 100 or 17 pounds is, I gather, keeping the weight
b> off for two or twenty years.

True, and that's why I have a lap-band to help.  When the nutritionist
calculated my body fat (electrically, not with silly calipers) four
weeks ago it was 35 percent at 323 pounds.  That meant my lean mass
was over 200.  If I reached 200 and then theoretically had no fat, I'd
still be a BMI of 28.7, which is "overweight".  With 15 percent fat,
which is healthy for males, I'd be "obese" according to BMI.

I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my current goal is
222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.

dan

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5/23/2003, 4:43 PM, again, all around wrote:

aaa> lisa, on LeBron James:
>> We'll see how he does when he gets drafted.

aaa> Well, that's pretty much a done deal (though
aaa> Kobe Bryant was originally drafted by the
aaa> Charlotte [now New Orleans] Hornets, so KJ
aaa> might end up in a better <situation> than
aaa> playing for the Cadavers).

    Naaahhhh, he'll stay in Cleveland and be the savior of them. Maybe
    not to the finals for a few years, but they'll have a shot. Being
    a local hero makes it good for both the team and for him.
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5/23/2003, 7:28 PM, Terry Wild wrote:


TW> Aug. 15-18  Are you interested in a Wordsler tattoo?

      What does a wordsler tat look like?  Let me see the art.
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5/24/2003, 6:26 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> And why I told the electrician yesterday not to bother with
NM> sweeping up the mess he'd made when he asked for a broom with the
NM> intention of cleaning it up.  I needed him for electrical and assembly
NM> matters, not for sweeping.

    Any competent professional workperson cleans up after him/herself.
    Do you really think you saved a dollar because he didn't do it and
    you did?  Or do you just think you are a better sweeper?
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>There are many muscular male football players and others who have BMIs
>that say they're obese, but they're well under fifteen percent fat.

Sure.  But, admit it, very few of us have the muscle mass of an athlete.

>True, and that's why I have a lap-band to help.  When the nutritionist
>calculated my body fat (electrically, not with silly calipers) four
>weeks ago it was 35 percent at 323 pounds.  That meant my lean mass
>was over 200.  If I reached 200 and then theoretically had no fat, I'd
>still be a BMI of 28.7, which is "overweight".  With 15 percent fat,
>which is healthy for males, I'd be "obese" according to BMI.

This is insane.  One doesn't lose 100 pounds with all of that being fat and
not a drop of it being lean muscle mass.  If and when you weigh 222 pounds,
you can bet your fanny that you won't have 200 pounds of lean muscle mass
and 22 pounds of fat.  You won't need all that muscle when you no longer
have to carry around all that fat.

>I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my current goal is
>222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.
>dan

Rather than doubt the truth of the BMI tables for the average man or woman,
who is not the average athlete, I doubt the possibility that individuals
who have been very overweight can ever achieve and stay at BMIs in the
theoretical "healthy" range.  Instead I would say that we can't all reach
perfection.  But we can certainly strive for improvement.  And that has to
be enough because it's all we get.  Congratulations on your success!


    --bonniev

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> > http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex7b.JPG
>
> Natalie, you bad thing.

But it was you who mentioned German expressionists!

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5/24/2003, 4:08 PM, bonniev wrote:

b> Sure.  But, admit it, very few of us have the muscle mass of an athlete.

No argument that most of us aren't there, but the point is still
valid, that it isn't a "universal measure" or anything approaching it.

>>True, and that's why I have a lap-band to help.  When the nutritionist
>>calculated my body fat (electrically, not with silly calipers) four
>>weeks ago it was 35 percent at 323 pounds.  That meant my lean mass
>>was over 200.  If I reached 200 and then theoretically had no fat, I'd
>>still be a BMI of 28.7, which is "overweight".  With 15 percent fat,
>>which is healthy for males, I'd be "obese" according to BMI.

b> This is insane.

Not insane, just a slightly stretched example to make a point.

b> One doesn't lose 100 pounds with all of that being fat and
b> not a drop of it being lean muscle mass.  If and when you weigh 222 pounds,
b> you can bet your fanny that you won't have 200 pounds of lean muscle mass
b> and 22 pounds of fat.  You won't need all that muscle when you no longer
b> have to carry around all that fat.

No, but I'll have a much lower percentage of fat, and that's the
point.

b> who is not the average athlete, I doubt the possibility that individuals
b> who have been very overweight can ever achieve and stay at BMIs in the
b> theoretical "healthy" range.

Lots of banded people are doing it.  The typical person who's been
banded for a couple of years has a BMI under 30.  Considering they
typically started in the 45-50 range, that makes it pretty good, even
if not quite the "perfect" BMI under 25.  Some of them help to get
under that by having plastic surgery to remove some of the excess
flesh that remains.

b> Instead I would say that we can't all reach
b> perfection.  But we can certainly strive for improvement.  And that has to
b> be enough because it's all we get.  Congratulations on your success!

No argument we can't all reach perfection.  In fact, none of us can.
But since it is about progress, not perfection, that's what counts.

dan

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Dan Lester wrote:

>     Any competent professional workperson cleans up after him/herself.
>     Do you really think you saved a dollar because he didn't do it and
>     you did?  Or do you just think you are a better sweeper?

I assume that people like that charge by the amount of time spent at a
house.  So yes, I think I saved.

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I started watching that late-night baseball game last night and
remembered that I love baseball.  I gave up on it after a couple of
innings, though, since it was ungodly late.  Read this morning that we
lost it.  But the tournament is double-elimination, and I just read that
we managed to win this afternoon's game, so we're in the championship
game tonight at 8:00 -- against LSU, the team that beat us in that
middle-of-the-night game last night.  Anyway, I'm looking forward to
popping some popcorn and sitting in front of the electric teevee at 8.
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Kristin Sarv:
= Are you going to watch Eurovision song contest today?
=
Just got back from the apartment, where the tv signal is.   I
didn't think about watching it on the internet.  I watched the
BBC (as we usually do (and this year we didn't flip around at all
even though it was on the BBC, Nederland 1, a German station and
a Belgian station)), and at somepoint they flashed up that it was
on http://www.eurovision.tv so I hope you found that.  I
recognized the Dutch song, as it has been getting plenty of radio
play.

The voting is always very political - you vote for your allies,
your neighbors.  This year the UK got the big goose egg, and at
some point Terry Wogan, who's been hosting it on the BBC forever
figured it was Iraq backlash.  So it's also only fitting that
Turkey, who gave the US the big blow off, should win.  It was
either that or the belly dancer vote.

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> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > <http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/05/22/economy/>
>
> I don't like salon.com because with all the wonderful free sites out
> there, it seems odd to have to pay.  So I'm not a salon.com subscriber.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I used to be. I no longer am. I have a good friend who does all their Sales
Proposals. I'm sure most of the time, her head feels like it's on a block.

Sandra

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From: "S Hess" <sandra@maximumsentence.com>
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Today I accompanied a longtime friend and her folks at the Marin Grecian
Fair in Novato. The weather was unusually blustery. Normally, the weather
there, at this time of year, is super hot. Not much in terms of booths,
though I did manage to snag some fine greek sea salt, oregano, mestiq,
pumpkin seeds, coffee...my big take home was a greek coffee maker (long
handled, copper, spouted thing). And I learned how to make greek coffee (add
that to my vietnamese, italian, french coffee knowledge bank).

The food at the fair was pricey and delicious. I had (sp?) patstitsio, and
for dessert... galiktabouriko (cream filled, honey  dripping phyllo roll and
kaftaiki (kinda like baklava but topped with finely shredded phyllo). And I
tried taramasalata for the first time .... and enjoyed it.

I hear there are more Greek fairs coming up and I hope to attend. I've got
my cds on my player (from my trip)...beautiful clarinet music).

I adore greek food.

Sandra

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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 16:36:07 -0700
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I finally tried the SELL YOURS option on Amazon for a couple of books I
thought would be of value to someone else.

I just sold WOMEN WITHOUT SUPERSTITIONS (took 2 days to sell) and I placed
my book on indexing up for sale. That should go quickly.

Nice to know it can work. I wouldn't have known what to do the books
otherwise. I just keep getting rid of stuff. Found a home for my ice cream
maker and just tossed out ALL my cassettes. I no longer ever seem to play
them...so out they go. Also, all the boxes from CD Box Sets I have
purchased. I never read the notes after the first time.

Sandra

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> I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my
> current goal is
> 222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.
>
> dan


Good for you, Dan. However it happens. I know someone getting the surgery in
a couple weeks. I hope it goes well for him.

Sandra

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
>> I don't like salon.com because with all the wonderful free sites out
>> there, it seems odd to have to pay.  So I'm not a salon.com subscriber.
>
>
> I'm not either, right now.  But they've got the cool advertiser-sponsored
> day pass access thing if you'd like to check something out.


        I subscribed for a year, then they took away stuff liked and
made it cost more, and I got pissed off and didn't resub.  I
still read it now and then, though.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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S Hess wrote:

> I adore greek food.

Me too.  It's funny that I have no memory of what I ate on my one trip
to Greece (am in fact wearing my Creta t-shirt right now), but I love
Greek food in other settings.  One of the best meals, maybe the best
meal, I've ever had in my life was at a ritzy Greek restaurant full of
Arabs in London when I was with my Libyan lover.  I also have had good
Greek food in that touristy but pleasant area of Paris near the St.
Michel metro stop -- the alleys full of restaurants.  (It was in that
area that the person I'm convinced was British but who claimed to be
French wanted to show me his 40-centimeter sinclair.  But normally that
area isn't quite that <racy>.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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S Hess wrote:
>
> I finally tried the SELL YOURS option on Amazon for a couple of books I
> thought would be of value to someone else.

I've been thinking that I ought to try that with some things I have.
I'm happy giving stuff to places around here that want it, but I have
some other stuff that I'd like to get rid of.  I remember that Doris
told us about selling some stuff on Amazon a while back, but I don't
remember the details.  How did you have your customers pay?  And were
you comfortable in your ability to describe the books accurately -- as
in their condition?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > Natalie Maynor writes,
> >
> >> I don't like salon.com because with all the wonderful free sites out
> >> there, it seems odd to have to pay.  So I'm not a salon.com subscriber.
> >
> >
> > I'm not either, right now.  But they've got the cool
> advertiser-sponsored
> > day pass access thing if you'd like to check something out.
>
>
>         I subscribed for a year, then they took away stuff liked and
> made it cost more, and I got pissed off and didn't resub.  I
> still read it now and then, though.
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I know it's been awhile, but I miss their WanderLust section. What TraveLog
type sites do you all read?

Sandra

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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:06:22 -0500
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Is on Austin City Limits this week.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> S Hess wrote:
>
>
>>I adore greek food.
>>
>
> Me too.  It's funny that I have no memory of what I ate on my one trip
> to Greece (am in fact wearing my Creta t-shirt right now), but I love
> Greek food in other settings.  One of the best meals, maybe the best
> meal, I've ever had in my life was at a ritzy Greek restaurant full of
> Arabs in London when I was with my Libyan lover.  I also have had good
> Greek food in that touristy but pleasant area of Paris near the St.
> Michel metro stop -- the alleys full of restaurants.  (It was in that
> area that the person I'm convinced was British but who claimed to be
> French wanted to show me his 40-centimeter sinclair.  But normally that
> area isn't quite that <racy>.)


        I'll make some for you guys at some point.

        Assumption is holding its Greek 'Fest this weekend, as well,
and I will probably swing by.  One of my students promised
me he'd dance with me if I ran into him there.

        Today I spent a couple hours hiking some trails in the river
bluffs at Pere Marquette.  Fr. Tudor, another parent, and I
took the acolytes for an outing.  The trails were pretty
steep in some parts, but the view from the top of the bluffs
is just stunning.  I could see the winding shape of the
Mississippi surrounded by the lush, newly planted corn and
soy.  We also visited the Piasa bird.

        So, after that, I lit out back to St. Charles to meet Kevin
and Ana at the marina and take my first ride on the new
boat.  It was OK, except it got cold and rainy, so we didn't
hang around the sand bar to party.  We're going to try again
on Monday.


        Now I'm kinda tired.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> S Hess wrote:
> >
> > I finally tried the SELL YOURS option on Amazon for a couple of books I
> > thought would be of value to someone else.
>
> I've been thinking that I ought to try that with some things I have.
> I'm happy giving stuff to places around here that want it, but I have
> some other stuff that I'd like to get rid of.  I remember that Doris
> told us about selling some stuff on Amazon a while back, but I don't
> remember the details.  How did you have your customers pay?  And were
> you comfortable in your ability to describe the books accurately -- as
> in their condition?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

They pay Amazon and then somehow (I haven't bothered with it yet as it just
happened) I get money from my account with Amazon. I'll know more after I do
it. Yes, I was very comfortable with how to describe the book. YOu select
one of several prewritten descriptions and you can add a sentence or two on
your own.

Sandra

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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:18:41 -0500
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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I know you guys always have an opinion.

I'm making multicolor socks for myself out of some old yarn that I had
planned to make a sweater out of around the time that I quit knitting,
in the last millenium.

I'm following a pattern on the web,
http://www.geocities.com/mdlsuth/sunsetpic.html, except I'm making it
with different colors. Where they have orange, I am using white.
Except it seems to me that a white heel or toe is a canonically bad
idea.

What do you think? (I'm using black as the main color, turquoise,
pink, and white for the secondary colors. I'm thinking I'd make a hot
pink heel and a turquoise toe.)

Karen

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sandra wrote:

>  What TraveLog
> type sites do you all read?

If I'm planning a trip, I just google for the destination.  I don't
otherwise read travel sites.

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sandra wrote:

> They pay Amazon and then somehow (I haven't bothered with it yet as it just
> happened) I get money from my account with Amazon. I'll know more after I do
> it.

Ohhh.  Somehow I was thinking e-bay.  My alzheimers must be revving up.
You did say Amazon, I realize now.  But I don't know that I have an
account with Amazon.  I order from Amazon fairly often, but I just give
my Visa number for the charges.

> Yes, I was very comfortable with how to describe the book. YOu select
> one of several prewritten descriptions and you can add a sentence or two on
> your own.

I would feel that I needed the help of somebody like Alyce.  I remember
when shopping for used books for a retirement present for a colleague
several years ago that there were <sophisticated> sounding ways of
describing the precise physical condition of the books.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I'll make some for you guys at some point.

Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)

In spite of my love of Greek food, I don't like baklava.  That seems odd
since I normally like desserts better than any other food, but I simply
don't like it.  I have forced myself to eat it on occasion when I could
tell that the offerer of it thought it was special.  But it has
definitely required force.  If somebody just left some baklava with me,
I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or flush it down the toilet.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 7:28:06 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>         I'll make some for you guys at some point.

> Dare I say again that I am not a guy?

No.

Karen

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Another good Greek meal I had was at a Greek restaurant in Memphis when
at SECOL a couple of years ago.  Bethany was the one who knew about that
restaurant, iirc.  If she'd come back from wherever she is, we could
talk again about that good meal.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Dare I say again that I am not a guy?
>
> No.

Too late.  I've said it.  And I will continue to say it.  I do not feel
included when questions are asked of guys or statements are made to
guys.

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> I know you guys always have an opinion.
>
> I'm making multicolor socks for myself out of some old yarn that I had
> planned to make a sweater out of around the time that I quit knitting,
> in the last millenium.
>
> I'm following a pattern on the web,
> http://www.geocities.com/mdlsuth/sunsetpic.html, except I'm making it
> with different colors. Where they have orange, I am using white.
> Except it seems to me that a white heel or toe is a canonically bad
> idea.
>
> What do you think? (I'm using black as the main color, turquoise,
> pink, and white for the secondary colors. I'm thinking I'd make a hot
> pink heel and a turquoise toe.)
>
> Karen

Bright turquoise for toe AND heel!

Sandra

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> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>
> Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
> the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)
>
> In spite of my love of Greek food, I don't like baklava.  That seems odd
> since I normally like desserts better than any other food, but I simply
> don't like it.  I have forced myself to eat it on occasion when I could
> tell that the offerer of it thought it was special.  But it has
> definitely required force.  If somebody just left some baklava with me,
> I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or flush it down the toilet.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You are an alien lifeform.

Sandra

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In a message dated 05/24/2003 7:28:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
If somebody just left some baklava with me,
I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or flush it down the toilet.

>>

You could send it to me.  One of the things I miss about Akron
U. is the Thursday lunch at the nearby Greek Orthodox Church.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 7:40:31 PM, sandra wrote:

>> I know you guys always have an opinion.
>>
>> I'm making multicolor socks for myself out of some old yarn that I had
>> planned to make a sweater out of around the time that I quit knitting,
>> in the last millenium.
>>
>> I'm following a pattern on the web,
>> http://www.geocities.com/mdlsuth/sunsetpic.html, except I'm making it
>> with different colors. Where they have orange, I am using white.
>> Except it seems to me that a white heel or toe is a canonically bad
>> idea.
>>
>> What do you think? (I'm using black as the main color, turquoise,
>> pink, and white for the secondary colors. I'm thinking I'd make a hot
>> pink heel and a turquoise toe.)
>>
>> Karen

> Bright turquoise for toe AND heel!

Hm.

I might make one with a turquoise toe and heel and the other one with
pink toe and heel...

Karen

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In a message dated 05/24/2003 7:09:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
They pay Amazon and then somehow (I haven't bothered with it yet as it just
happened) I get money from my account with Amazon.
>>

That's what happened with a Poldark book I just purchased through
Amazon; the book came from a bookseller in Israel.  I'm going to send
her a thank you note.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>>
>
> Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
> the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)


        No, you may not.


> In spite of my love of Greek food, I don't like baklava.  That seems odd
> since I normally like desserts better than any other food, but I simply
> don't like it.  I have forced myself to eat it on occasion when I could
> tell that the offerer of it thought it was special.  But it has
> definitely required force.  If somebody just left some baklava with me,
> I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or flush it down the toilet.


        I don't make baklava.  However, flushing it down the toilet
sounds extreme.  Are you just being bitchy tonight?
Suggesting you might flush down the toilet something I made
for you from scratch?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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What else do you think are basic features of a blog? I am writing
my own--believe it or not, yet another engine--and the emphasis is
on few dependencies, small code, and programmer interface (as opposed
to UI, that is). I got "permalinks" and "blogrolls" ... I have "gobs
of metadata" and "searching" and "RSS feed" as requirements. What else
should be in there?

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Here's some photos of the boat:
http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html

You can even get a glimpse of my old fat guy.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I don't make baklava.  However, flushing it down the toilet
> sounds extreme.  Are you just being bitchy tonight?

Not at all.  Since I don't have a garbage disposal and I hate stinky
garbage, I sometimes use the toilet.  More often, though, I simply take
garbage to the campus dumpster behind the p.o.  I did so just this
morning, though no baklava was in today's garbage.

> Suggesting you might flush down the toilet something I made
> for you from scratch?

No, no.  You're forgetting this part of what I said:

> I have forced myself to eat it on occasion when I could
> > tell that the offerer of it thought it was special.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Here's some photos of the boat:
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html
>
> You can even get a glimpse of my old fat guy.

That was fun!  He doesn't look fat.

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02003-05-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Here's some photos of the boat:
> http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html
>
> You can even get a glimpse of my old fat guy.

This is an extremely cute family... I didn't realize that.
Even the crushingly predictable name on the boat is cute!

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Where is your flora peace symbol?

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While I'm asking questions -- are you considering having another
exchange student?

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02003-05-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> > Here's some photos of the boat:
> > http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html
> >
> > You can even get a glimpse of my old fat guy.
>
> That was fun!  He doesn't look fat.

Please ... That's one of the fattest guys I have ever seen.

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> I started wondering if most people use heated drying.  Do y'all?

No.

And you're right about the desirability of dishwashers for renters. I chose
this apartment pretty much because it had a dishwasher.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 7:40:31 PM, sandra wrote:

>> I know you guys always have an opinion.
>>
>> I'm making multicolor socks for myself out of some old yarn that I had
>> planned to make a sweater out of around the time that I quit knitting,
>> in the last millenium.
>>
>> I'm following a pattern on the web,
>> http://www.geocities.com/mdlsuth/sunsetpic.html, except I'm making it
>> with different colors. Where they have orange, I am using white.
>> Except it seems to me that a white heel or toe is a canonically bad
>> idea.
>>
>> What do you think? (I'm using black as the main color, turquoise,
>> pink, and white for the secondary colors. I'm thinking I'd make a hot
>> pink heel and a turquoise toe.)
>>
>> Karen

> Bright turquoise for toe AND heel!

Actually, I made a mistake and started the heel in Boring Black, so
that's what it will be.

Karen

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Tushar Samant writes,

>What else do you think are basic features of a blog?

You've pretty much got 'em.

Core features:
1. reverse chronological view of posts
2. permalinks (implies archives)

Generally useful features:
1. blogroll
2. search
3. comments
4. templates
5. calendar-based archive browsing

Advanced stuff:
1. RSS
2. RSS Auto-discovery
<http://diveintomark.org/
archives/2002/06/02/important_change_to_the_link_tag.html>

3. dual RSS feeds: excerpts and full posts
4. categories / topics (also see ENT: <http://www.purl.org/NET/ENT/1.0/>
5. trackback
6. if it's for geeks, something like blosxom's plugin interface
7. pingback

Pete

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5/24/2003, 4:17 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Dan Lester wrote:

>>     Any competent professional workperson cleans up after him/herself.
>>     Do you really think you saved a dollar because he didn't do it and
>>     you did?  Or do you just think you are a better sweeper?

NM> I assume that people like that charge by the amount of time spent at a
NM> house.  So yes, I think I saved.

Well, since I've never seen them itemize by the minute, and sweeping
up couldn't have taken more than a few minutes, I doubt you saved a
thing. Also, depending on how long he was there, most workmen will
have a minimum charge, such as $60 for the first hour, or whatever.
You pay that whether he fixes it in five minutes or sixty.

dan

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I haven't been paying attention to baseball, but I had thought we were
considered decent.  Obviously we suck.  We're being creamed.  And this
isn't even the championship game, which I had thought it was.  That one
is tomorrow.  LSU will obviously be in it.  I think Alabama is the
opponent.  So much for baseball.
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Please ... That's one of the fattest guys I have ever seen.

You must not go to malls.  There aren't any malls in Starkville, but
when I'm in malls in other towns I am fascinated by the <poundage>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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5/24/2003, 5:38 PM, sandra wrote:

>> I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my
>> current goal is
>> 222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.
>>
>> dan


s> Good for you, Dan. However it happens. I know someone getting the surgery in
s> a couple weeks. I hope it goes well for him.

Assume you mean a lap-band, adjustable gastric band, not something
else?  Lots of places really push various bypasses, such as RNY.

Is he getting it done in US or in Mexico?  Or elsewhere?

dan


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Dan Lester wrote:

> >>     Any competent professional workperson cleans up after him/herself.
> >>     Do you really think you saved a dollar because he didn't do it and
> >>     you did?  Or do you just think you are a better sweeper?
>
> NM> I assume that people like that charge by the amount of time spent at a
> NM> house.  So yes, I think I saved.
>
> Well, since I've never seen them itemize by the minute, and sweeping
> up couldn't have taken more than a few minutes, I doubt you saved a
> thing.

Could be.  But I saw no particular point in having an electrician
sweeping my floor.  I am quite capable of sweeping my floor myself.

> Also, depending on how long he was there, most workmen will
> have a minimum charge, such as $60 for the first hour, or whatever.
> You pay that whether he fixes it in five minutes or sixty.

He was here for a couple of hours.  Don't have any idea what the bill
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5/24/2003, 6:23 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> sandra wrote:

NM> You did say Amazon, I realize now.  But I don't know that I have an
NM> account with Amazon.  I order from Amazon fairly often, but I just give
NM> my Visa number for the charges.

It'll take you five minutes.

>> Yes, I was very comfortable with how to describe the book. YOu select
>> one of several prewritten descriptions and you can add a sentence or two on
>> your own.

NM> I would feel that I needed the help of somebody like Alyce.  I remember
NM> when shopping for used books for a retirement present for a colleague
NM> several years ago that there were <sophisticated> sounding ways of
NM> describing the precise physical condition of the books.

Unless you're selling old, rare, and particularly valuable books,
those extra fine points are irrelevant.

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5/24/2003, 6:28 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:


>>         I'll make some for you guys at some point.

NM> Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that

   Since when are you hung up on 'guys' not being a gender neutral
   term?

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Dan Lester wrote:

> Unless you're selling old, rare, and particularly valuable books,
> those extra fine points are irrelevant.

Those were the ones I had in mind.  I've ascertained by browsing on
e-bay that I've got some sets of books that are pretty valuable.  Some
of the ones I've given to Friends of the Public Library are in that
category, but I've noticed that the customers at those sales are more
into buying things they want to read than in buying collectibles.

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Dan Lester wrote:

>    Since when are you hung up on 'guys' not being a gender neutral
>    term?

Since forever.  To me guys is not at all gender neutral.  I bet you that
if I did a test of it, I would prove that I'm not alone in that -- a
test like telling a story that started with "Two guys were walking down
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> 5/24/2003, 5:38 PM, sandra wrote:
>
> >> I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my
> >> current goal is
> >> 222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.
> >>
> >> dan
>
>
> s> Good for you, Dan. However it happens. I know someone getting
> the surgery in
> s> a couple weeks. I hope it goes well for him.
>
> Assume you mean a lap-band, adjustable gastric band, not something
> else?  Lots of places really push various bypasses, such as RNY.
>
> Is he getting it done in US or in Mexico?  Or elsewhere?
>
> dan


Somewhere in So Cal. Why would one go to Mexico for this?

Sandra

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 10:05:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Since forever.  To me guys is not at all gender neutral.  I bet you that
> if I did a test of it, I would prove that I'm not alone in that -- a
> test like telling a story that started with "Two guys were walking down
> the street" and then asking questions later that would reveal what the
> listeners assumed to be the chromosomal makeup of those people.

When you test a usage, it's a good idea to use the construction you're
testing. "two guys" is not the same as "you guys".

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Saturday, May 24, 2003, 10:05:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Since forever.  To me guys is not at all gender neutral.  I bet you that
> > if I did a test of it, I would prove that I'm not alone in that -- a
> > test like telling a story that started with "Two guys were walking down
> > the street" and then asking questions later that would reveal what the
> > listeners assumed to be the chromosomal makeup of those people.
>
> When you test a usage, it's a good idea to use the construction you're
> testing. "two guys" is not the same as "you guys".

The question Dan asked was whether I found "guys" not gender neutral.

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Saturday, May 24, 2003, 10:48:24 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I can't remember whether I've tried that.  No, it's not digital -- it
> has a knob.  Would it upset it if I advanced the knob?  I don't want to
> do anything <pushy> to it.

I think you're probably better off not using it at all, then.

Karen

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02003-05-24 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Please ... That's one of the fattest guys I have ever seen.
>
> You must not go to malls.  There aren't any malls in Starkville, but
> when I'm in malls in other towns I am fascinated by the <poundage>.

I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.

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A question to all the West Coast brothers and sisters--how do the
Chinese drink? It's taken me a long time to realize that this place
I walk past so often is not a (particularly male-dominated) restaurant
where they sell beer. It's a bar, where they maybe sell some fried
or salted fish, or something. It's pretty unusual, though--it's not
a bar at all. It's well-lit, and people buy drinks from a counter
and sit around big tables and drink and talk. I mean big--ten or
more chairs, and they are all full. In other words, it can't be
big parties, not all of them. So, it's a bar, but it's a round
table. Does this sound right? Or is it just a union place, or
a fraternal order or something?

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Natalie Maynor:
= Rita Chapman wrote:
=
= >         I'll make some for you guys at some point.
=
= Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
= the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)
=

At Eurovision, after all the songs have been sung, each country
is "called" to give their votes.  This year they held the schtick
to a minimum, which made it almost characterless.  At one point
though one of the countries referred to the show's male and
female host as "You guys".  So it's slipped away from native
English and into that of foreign speakers.

So, you can say it, but then you can expect us to tell you to get
over it.

So, get over it.

On the same note, I heard a Dutchie say "I'm gonna" the other
day.

= In spite of my love of Greek food, I don't like baklava.  That seems odd
= since I normally like desserts better than any other food, but I simply
= don't like it.  I have forced myself to eat it on occasion when I could
= tell that the offerer of it thought it was special.  But it has
= definitely required force.  If somebody just left some baklava with me,
= I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or flush it down the toilet.
=

What is is that you don't like?  So much of the dessert from that
part of the world is pastry, honey and nuts.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I can't remember whether I've tried that.  No, it's not digital -- it
> > has a knob.  Would it upset it if I advanced the knob?  I don't want to
> > do anything <pushy> to it.
>
> I think you're probably better off not using it at all, then.

I thought it was bad for equipment never to be used.  I thought it
needed occasional exercise.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > You must not go to malls.  There aren't any malls in Starkville, but
> > when I'm in malls in other towns I am fascinated by the <poundage>.
>
> I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.

Does Chicago have malls?

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steph wrote:

> So, you can say it, but then you can expect us to tell you to get
> over it.
>
> So, get over it.

People fought long and hard against generic "he" (something that never
really bothered me very much, I might add, though I read convincing
arguments in a book by Frank & Treichler in the '80s and decided it
really was good that people were moving away from it).  Iow, sometimes
the battle against sexist language takes a long time.

> What is is that you don't like?  So much of the dessert from that
> part of the world is pastry, honey and nuts.

What I don't like is its taste and consistency.  Pastry/honey/nuts items
are often very good for breakfast.  But not baklava.

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11:29 24.05.2003 -0700 skrev Peter Kaminski:
>Kristin Sarv writes,
>
>>I've searched only for Estonian sites yet, and will start a search with
>>English words right away.
>
>A few links:

I see from the newspaper this morning that Norway was number 4.

Espen

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15:52 24.05.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:

>I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my current goal is
>222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.

My aim is to have a BMI below 25, but it seems to keep stuck at around 25.5.

Espen

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> > When you test a usage, it's a good idea to use the construction you're
> > testing. "two guys" is not the same as "you guys".  --Karen
>
>The question Dan asked was whether I found "guys" not gender neutral.
>  -- Natalie

Here's one the examples Kristin was looking for awhile back of how Natalie
subtly changes the subject in order to win a point.   The usage is never
"two guys."  It's always "you guys".  She knows that.  But yet she skews
Dan's post to be asking her something that is not on the table for discussion.


    --bonniev

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At 07:28 PM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>
>Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
>the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)

Why does this bother you so?

B

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At 07:19 PM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>sandra wrote:
>
> >  What TraveLog
> > type sites do you all read?
>
>If I'm planning a trip, I just google for the destination.  I don't
>otherwise read travel sites.

For my birthday I received a beautiful  Insight Guides book on Alaska but I
usually look at Frommers.

Betty

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> One drawback of this software is that it won't work on a Mac (because it
> requires IE5.5 or better.  That means I can't do anything but comments
> when I'm home.
>
I have Internet Explorer on my eMac.  Is 5.5 a version that's incompatible
with the Mac?

Sharon

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > When you test a usage, it's a good idea to use the construction you're
> > > testing. "two guys" is not the same as "you guys".  --Karen
> >
> >The question Dan asked was whether I found "guys" not gender neutral.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Here's one the examples Kristin was looking for awhile back of how Natalie
> subtly changes the subject in order to win a point.   The usage is never

Huh?  There was nothing <subtle> about what I said.

> "two guys."  It's always "you guys".  She knows that.  But yet she skews
> Dan's post to be asking her something that is not on the table for discussion.

And the usage handbooks used to say that one must use "his" in a
sentence like "a good doctor should be kind to his patients."  His is
gender-neutral in such a sentence.  Everybody knows that.  So why is it
used less often today?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Betty wrote:

> >Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
> >the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)
>
> Why does this bother you so?

I guess it's in the category of stuff we were talking about a few weeks
ago -- like why my overall level of <activism> has increased as I've
gotten older -- a stronger desire to fight for <causes>.  I really
didn't care at all about sexist language in my younger years.  The older
I get, the more it bothers me (although I wouldn't put it anywhere near
the top of my list of bothersome matters in life).

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>>
>
>Dare I say again that I am not a guy?

That's your problem. Don't see what the rest of us have to do with it.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 8:59:39 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I guess it's in the category of stuff we were talking about a few weeks
> ago -- like why my overall level of <activism> has increased as I've
> gotten older -- a stronger desire to fight for <causes>.  I really
> didn't care at all about sexist language in my younger years.  The older
> I get, the more it bothers me (although I wouldn't put it anywhere near
> the top of my list of bothersome matters in life).

LOL.

Karen

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> Not at all.  Since I don't have a garbage disposal and I hate stinky
> garbage, I sometimes use the toilet.

Obviously you don't have a septic system.

Marie

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> tried taramasalata for the first time .... and enjoyed it.

Oh yum! I crave that all the time. I think my body needs fish roe.

Tonight we're having some friends over and having some Moroccan style food -- I guess I'm mourning not being able to go. On the menu is: hummus and olives with cocktails, fattoush (a tomato and parsley salad bread salad), grilled Moroccan-spiced chicken, couscous with roasted vegetables. And then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry pie (the first of the season).

Anything else I need?

Marie

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clyde:

>No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather, to
>the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."

Hey Clyde, this is 2003. Isn't it time you updated those stereotypes?
(I think they should have a use-by date, there's nothing so annoying
as decades-old stereotypes.)

Speaking of which the BOBO guy has a walmart shoppers vs.
others classification in which walmart shoppers possess oodles
of good sense, all kinds of virtues etc.

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At 02:32 PM 5/25/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
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>>No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather, to
>>the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."
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>Hey Clyde, this is 2003. Isn't it time you updated those stereotypes?

Au contraire---"new age" thinking yet abounds.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 8:59:39 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I guess it's in the category of stuff we were talking about a few weeks
> > ago -- like why my overall level of <activism> has increased as I've
> > gotten older -- a stronger desire to fight for <causes>.  I really
> > didn't care at all about sexist language in my younger years.  The older
> > I get, the more it bothers me (although I wouldn't put it anywhere near
> > the top of my list of bothersome matters in life).
>
> LOL.

? Why do you find that amusing?

I guess it does appear that my level of <botheredness> re "you guys" is
higher than it really is simply because the occasion to comment on it
arises here often.  But I have never considered myself a feminist and
don't find sexist language all that upsetting.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
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> > Not at all.  Since I don't have a garbage disposal and I hate stinky
> > garbage, I sometimes use the toilet.
>
> Obviously you don't have a septic system.

Heavens no.  I don't want nasty substances stored in my yard.  In
looking at house ads in BSL, I automatically moved on if septic tanks
were mentioned.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Tonight we're having some friends over and having some Moroccan style food -- I guess I'm mourning not being able to go. On the menu is: hummus and olives with cocktails, fattoush (a tomato and parsley salad bread salad), grilled Moroccan-spiced chicken, couscous with roasted vegetables. And then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry pie (the first of the season).
>
> Anything else I need?

I trust that the cocktails will include gin and tonic.  I don't really
think there's anything particularly Moroccan about g&t's, but I have a
personal association of them with Morocco, having drunk a good many of
them there.

I love Moroccan food.  I loved it in Morocco, and I loved it when a
friend of mine was on a kick of cooking Moroccan food frequently (he was
working on a book on Paul Bowles at the time and spent lots of time in
Morocco).  He's a great cook, but I don't think he cooks anymore.  He
has turned into a recluse in his Starkville life, giving up eating and
drinking most months that he's in town.  The rest of the time he is in
faraway places, where he eats and drinks.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 9:41:31 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 8:59:39 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > I guess it's in the category of stuff we were talking about a few weeks
>> > ago -- like why my overall level of <activism> has increased as I've
>> > gotten older -- a stronger desire to fight for <causes>.  I really
>> > didn't care at all about sexist language in my younger years.  The older
>> > I get, the more it bothers me (although I wouldn't put it anywhere near
>> > the top of my list of bothersome matters in life).
>>
>> LOL.

> ? Why do you find that amusing?

I am amused that you think that 'you guys' is sexist language.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > So, you can say it, but then you can expect us to tell you to get
= > over it.
= >
= > So, get over it.
=
= People fought long and hard against generic "he" (something that never
= really bothered me very much, I might add, though I read convincing
= arguments in a book by Frank & Treichler in the '80s and decided it
= really was good that people were moving away from it).  Iow, sometimes
= the battle against sexist language takes a long time.
=

The problem with generic he was, like your doctor example, that
most of the doctors were men, so generic he was sexist.  But "you
guys" has, at least for my life, been inclusive.  So it's the
exact opposite situation.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 9:25:09 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> And then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry
> pie (the first of the season).

Waah! I haven't even *seen* blueberries yet.

Karen

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Natalie:
> I trust that the cocktails will include gin and tonic.  I don't really
> think there's anything particularly Moroccan about g&t's, but I
> have a
> personal association of them with Morocco, having drunk a good
> many of
> them there.

Oh dear. It's Sunday and the liquor stores are closed. We've only got vodka. I'm thinking fresh watermelon and vodka.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 9:25:09 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > And then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry
> > pie (the first of the season).
>
> Waah! I haven't even *seen* blueberries yet.

Oh, well, believe me these aren't from Maine or New Jersey...and they cost a pretty penny, but Bruce was begging for The Pie. (And he just had bunion surgery on Friday, so he can have whatever he wants).

Oh, and speaking of New Jersey, sorry Canada. Hehhehheh.

Marie

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> Heavens no.  I don't want nasty substances stored in my yard.  In
> looking at house ads in BSL, I automatically moved on if septic tanks
> were mentioned.

Really? I don't think of it at all, except to watch what goes down the drains. Baklava would be a definite no-no. And to keep in mind that it needs to get pumped periodically.

Strangely enough, my system pumps everything over the hill that is my front yard, to a part of the property which is seldom used, just mowed. Not that that really matters, I just think it's odd that it was designed that way.

Everyone here has septic.

Marie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I am amused that you think that 'you guys' is sexist language.

I am amazed that you don't.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 10:04:23 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I am amused that you think that 'you guys' is sexist language.

> I am amazed that you don't.

Like Stevie said, it's inclusive. That's one reason why it's spreading
so rapidly.

Karen

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steph wrote:

> The problem with generic he was, like your doctor example, that
> most of the doctors were men, so generic he was sexist.

Ok, we'll use a different example.  A sentence on a class syllabus says,
"A student who wants to do well in this course will bring his book to
class everyday."  Now let's say that the school has 90% female
students.  Does that make the "his" not sexist?

>  But "you
> guys" has, at least for my life, been inclusive.  So it's the
> exact opposite situation.

Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
shift> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
"Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
males would be happy being called "you gals"?

But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.  Iow, it's ok to be
man-like, but it is not ok to be woman-like.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:16:48 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> A question to all the West Coast brothers and sisters--how do the
> Chinese drink?

I'm not a West Coast bro or sis, but let me essay an answer:
copiously.

> It's taken me a long time to realize that this place
> I walk past so often is not a (particularly male-dominated) restaurant
> where they sell beer. It's a bar, where they maybe sell some fried
> or salted fish, or something.

Yum! Dried squid and beer...

> It's pretty unusual, though--it's not
> a bar at all. It's well-lit, and people buy drinks from a counter
> and sit around big tables and drink and talk. I mean big--ten or
> more chairs, and they are all full. In other words, it can't be
> big parties, not all of them. So, it's a bar, but it's a round
> table. Does this sound right? Or is it just a union place, or
> a fraternal order or something?

I have no idea. I will say that I've never seen an exclusively Chinese
bar. The bars in Chinese restaurants tend to be normal western bars.
So the idea of it being a <club> sounds right. But in that case, I'd
expect Mah Jongg or something like that.

Karen

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> Oh dear. It's Sunday and the liquor stores are closed. We've only got vodka. I'm thinking fresh watermelon and vodka.

Vodka and tonic will be fine.  It's close enough.  And the vodka and
watermelon idea sounds good, although surely your watermelons at this
time of year must have to come from afar.  Anyway, we're now into the
<clear drink> time of year.  Time to put away the bourbon and scotch and
bring out the gin and vodka.  Do you have limes?

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 10:09:29 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
shift>> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
> "Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
> would picture them as males.

I contend that *everyone* would. That doesn't prove anything about
'you guys'.

> But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
> tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.

These terms are hardly equivalent.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> I am amused that you think that 'you guys' is sexist language.
>
> > I am amazed that you don't.
>
> Like Stevie said, it's inclusive. That's one reason why it's spreading
> so rapidly.

I see nothing in what you and Stevie have said to suggest that it is not
sexist.  Using a man term generically is the eipitome of sexist
language, imho.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
> shift>> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
> > "Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
> > would picture them as males.
>
> I contend that *everyone* would. That doesn't prove anything about
> 'you guys'.

It proves to me that "guys" is a term associated with males.  You will
say, "But we're talking about 'you guys' not about 'guys.'"  I contend
that the "guys" is "you guys" is at least cognate with if not the very
word that "guys" in "two guys" is.

> > But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
> > tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.
>
> These terms are hardly equivalent.

Equivalent to what?  To each other?  They both mean behaving like the
opposite sex.

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At 09:46 AM 5/25/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > Tonight we're having some friends over and having some Moroccan style
> food -- I guess I'm mourning not being able to go. On the menu is: hummus
> and olives with cocktails, fattoush (a tomato and parsley salad bread
> salad), grilled Moroccan-spiced chicken, couscous with roasted
> vegetables. And then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry pie (the first
> of the season).
> >
> > Anything else I need?
>
>I trust that the cocktails will include gin and tonic.  I don't really
>think there's anything particularly Moroccan about g&t's, but I have a
>personal association of them with Morocco, having drunk a good many of
>them there.
>
>I love Moroccan food.  I loved it in Morocco, and I loved it when a
>friend of mine was on a kick of cooking Moroccan food frequently (he was
>working on a book on Paul Bowles at the time and spent lots of time in
>Morocco).  He's a great cook, but I don't think he cooks anymore.  He
>has turned into a recluse in his Starkville life, giving up eating and
>drinking most months that he's in town.  The rest of the time he is in
>faraway places, where he eats and drinks.

Are you getting interested in traveling again, Natalie?  I am.

Betty

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At 04:53 PM 5/25/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Natalie Maynor:
>= steph wrote:
>=
>= > So, you can say it, but then you can expect us to tell you to get
>= > over it.
>= >
>= > So, get over it.
>=
>= People fought long and hard against generic "he" (something that never
>= really bothered me very much, I might add, though I read convincing
>= arguments in a book by Frank & Treichler in the '80s and decided it
>= really was good that people were moving away from it).  Iow, sometimes
>= the battle against sexist language takes a long time.
>=
>
>The problem with generic he was, like your doctor example, that
>most of the doctors were men, so generic he was sexist.  But "you
>guys" has, at least for my life, been inclusive.  So it's the
>exact opposite situation.

I like it better than "one" thinks or one "eats".  Whatever.  I don't know
why.  "One" sounds weird to me.

Betty

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At 10:09 AM 5/25/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>steph wrote:
>
> > The problem with generic he was, like your doctor example, that
> > most of the doctors were men, so generic he was sexist.
>
>Ok, we'll use a different example.  A sentence on a class syllabus says,
>"A student who wants to do well in this course will bring his book to
>class everyday."  Now let's say that the school has 90% female
>students.  Does that make the "his" not sexist?
>
> >  But "you
> > guys" has, at least for my life, been inclusive.  So it's the
> > exact opposite situation.
>
>Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
>shift> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
>"Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
>would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
>would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
>and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
>the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
>males would be happy being called "you gals"?
>
>But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
>tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.  Iow, it's ok to be
>man-like, but it is not ok to be woman-like.

  I see what you mean.  I don't like "gals" either.  Never minded tom-boy.
What's wrong with sissy?

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> Are you getting interested in traveling again, Natalie?  I am.

Not really.  I think this is the longest stretch in my life of no desire
at all to travel.  (It has nothing to do with worries about terrorism or
even SARS, though I would think twice about going to a SARS-infested
place.)

Maybe I've reached a point in life where I will never return to
wanderlust.  Sort of like Alyce did.

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Betty wrote:

> I like it better than "one" thinks or one "eats".  Whatever.  I don't know
> why.  "One" sounds weird to me.

I don't like "one" either.  I have an acquaintance who uses it often and
sounds very goofy, imho.  He goes on and on with "if one does this, then
one finds that [etc]."  But guess what was used like "one" in earlier
stages of English?  Man!

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Betty wrote:

>   I see what you mean.  I don't like "gals" either.  Never minded tom-boy.
> What's wrong with sissy?

My guess is that a parent wouldn't mind if a friend said "your Jane is a
real little tomboy, isn't she" but would be not happy at all if the
friend said "your Johnny is a real little sissy, isn't he."

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>? Why do you find that amusing?
>
>I guess it does appear that my level of <botheredness> re "you guys" is
>higher than it really is simply because the occasion to comment on it
>arises here often.  But I have never considered myself a feminist and
>don't find sexist language all that upsetting.
>  -- Natalie

It's highly amusing because you, a linguist, think you are protesting a
phrase that is, in fact, gender neutral in certain dialects.  I've been
using "you guys" since I was able to talk.  I would say to my all female
neighborhood playmates:  "Hey, you guys, lookit that!"   And yet I knew the
difference between two guys and two girls walking down the street.


    --bonniev

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>He's a great cook, but I don't think he cooks anymore.  He
>has turned into a recluse in his Starkville life, giving up eating and
>drinking most months that he's in town.  The rest of the time he is in
>faraway places, where he eats and drinks.
>-- Natalie

Is this the guy who is your long term married lover?


    --bonniev

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On Sunday, May 25, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Maybe I've reached a point in life where I will never return to
> wanderlust.  Sort of like Alyce did.

It wasn't that she had lack of wanderlust--it was fear of flying that
kept her close to home.

Karen

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 10:17:05 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
>> > tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.
>>
>> These terms are hardly equivalent.

> Equivalent to what?  To each other?  They both mean behaving like the
> opposite sex.

No, they don't. But I don't have time to argue--I have to go to
Meeting.

Karen

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Espen S. Ore:
= 11:29 24.05.2003 -0700 skrev Peter Kaminski:
= >Kristin Sarv writes,
= >
= >>I've searched only for Estonian sites yet, and will start a search with
= >>English words right away.
= >
= >A few links:
=
= I see from the newspaper this morning that Norway was number 4.
=

The Norwegian entry was pretty unique, in that it was a guy,
behind a piano, singing a ballad he wrote.  Not too glitz or
kitch.  He did surprisingly well.

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bonniev wrote:

> It's highly amusing because you, a linguist, think you are protesting a
> phrase that is, in fact, gender neutral in certain dialects.  I've been
> using "you guys" since I was able to talk.

It may be intended as gender neutral, but that does not make it gender
neutral.  I grew up using generic "he."  Still find myself doing so at
times.  It's been part of my dialect for too long to get rid of it
easily.  Nevertheless, I don't have any problem understanding why it's
sexist.

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>"Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
>would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
>would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
>and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
>the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
>males would be happy being called "you gals"?
>  -- Natalie

We understand that you think this way.  But you don't understand that this
thinking doesn't even enter into our minds because all of our lives we have
used the term "you guys" to equate to something like "you'all".


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> Is this the guy who is your long term married lover?

No.  This is somebody who is either neuter or gay.  None of us have ever
been sure which.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Maybe I've reached a point in life where I will never return to
> > wanderlust.  Sort of like Alyce did.
>
> It wasn't that she had lack of wanderlust--it was fear of flying that
> kept her close to home.

I didn't remember that part.  I thought she said that she just wasn't
interested in traveling anymore.  Alyce hopped into my head as an
example, but I've known other people who traveled a good bit earlier in
their lives and then lost interest in it.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Equivalent to what?  To each other?  They both mean behaving like the
> > opposite sex.
>
> No, they don't. But I don't have time to argue--I have to go to
> Meeting.

Merriam-Webster thinks they do:
sissy: "an effeminate man or boy"
tomboy: "a girl who behaves in a manner usually considered boyish"

from: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sissy
      and
      http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=tomboy

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bonniev wrote:

> We understand that you think this way.  But you don't understand that this
> thinking doesn't even enter into our minds because all of our lives we have
> used the term "you guys" to equate to something like "you'all".

I understand that it doesn't enter your minds.  Wasn't it not all that
long ago that we were talking about the beginnings of the feminist
movement and the "consciousness raising" sessions?  As I said, it had
never entered my mind to think that generic "he" was sexist -- and I
still use it sometimes without thinking.  That does not mean it isn't
sexist.

This whole discussion, which is growing as tedious as some of those old
feminist meetings, is making me sound like much more of a feminist than
I really am.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> A question to all the West Coast brothers and sisters--how do the
> Chinese drink? It's taken me a long time to realize that this place
> I walk past so often is not a (particularly male-dominated) restaurant
> where they sell beer. It's a bar, where they maybe sell some fried
> or salted fish, or something. It's pretty unusual, though--it's not
> a bar at all. It's well-lit, and people buy drinks from a counter
> and sit around big tables and drink and talk. I mean big--ten or
> more chairs, and they are all full. In other words, it can't be
> big parties, not all of them. So, it's a bar, but it's a round
> table. Does this sound right? Or is it just a union place, or
> a fraternal order or something?

 I don't recognize this at all. Most of my chinese friends don't drink much.
They don't handle alcohol well. They turn beet red and are extreme
lightweights. Tsingtao beer is as far as most of my friends go...although I
had the pleasure of watching one drink champagne for his birthday. He went
from pale to fire engine red in moments. None of my chinese friends are
heavy drinkers....

and I tend to think of you as a heavy drinker. Maybe I'm wrong. You just
post that way.

Sandra

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 At 07:19 PM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >sandra wrote:
> >
> > >  What TraveLog
> > > type sites do you all read?
> >
> >If I'm planning a trip, I just google for the destination.  I don't
> >otherwise read travel sites.
>
> For my birthday I received a beautiful  Insight Guides book on
> Alaska but I
> usually look at Frommers.
>
> Betty

I have a Frommers Alaska Guide 2002 if you'd like to borrie it :)

Sandra

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> > tried taramasalata for the first time .... and enjoyed it.
>
> Oh yum! I crave that all the time. I think my body needs fish roe.
>
> Tonight we're having some friends over and having some Moroccan
> style food -- I guess I'm mourning not being able to go. On the
> menu is: hummus and olives with cocktails, fattoush (a tomato and
> parsley salad bread salad), grilled Moroccan-spiced chicken,
> couscous with roasted vegetables. And then, a very non-Middle
> Eastern blueberry pie (the first of the season).
>
> Anything else I need?
>
> Marie

Sounds delicious!!!! I'm getting together later, with my two bestest friends
and we're grilling ribeyes I've got marinating in the fridge (butter,
garlic, red onion).

Sandra

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, bonniev wrote:
>
> It's highly amusing because you, a linguist, think you are protesting a
> phrase that is, in fact, gender neutral in certain dialects.  I've been
> using "you guys" since I was able to talk.  I would say to my all female
> neighborhood playmates:  "Hey, you guys, lookit that!"   And yet I knew the
> difference between two guys and two girls walking down the street.

Same here - well, I probably haven't been using it since I was able to
talk but I probably have been using it since -you- were able to talk.

I have a theory:  Southreners resisted this usage because it was too
horrible to contemplate that sweet little feminine objects would be
referred to with words that in other contexts referred only to males.  And
Natalie is still part of that regional, elderly pocket of resistance.

Ann

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>I've known other people who traveled a good bit earlier in
>their lives and then lost interest in it.
>  -- Natalie

I fit into that category.  Not that I ever traveled quite as much as you did.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>> There are many muscular male football players and others who have BMIs
>> that say they're obese, but they're well under fifteen percent fat.
>
>
> Sure.  But, admit it, very few of us have the muscle mass of an athlete.

This is where my frustration come into play (no pun intended). While I
might not have the talent of a top athlete, I am very muscular. Much
more muscular than WW or BMI takes into account. This is of course why
my doctor gave me a 15 pound pass on the WW weight scale and re-set my
BMI to 28. The revised score,  according to BMI,  would put me on the
"over weight" and at risk for health problems chart.

> Instead I would say that we can't all reach perfection.  But we can
> certainly strive for improvement.  And that has to be enough because
> it's all we get.  Congratulations on your success!
>    --bonniev

I agree, perfection is not a realistic goal. The path of improvement is
much more forgiving and therefore rewarding.

Dan, good luck as your journey continues.

lisa

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-24 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Here's some photos of the boat:
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html
>>
>>You can even get a glimpse of my old fat guy.
>>
>
> This is an extremely cute family... I didn't realize that.
> Even the crushingly predictable name on the boat is cute!


        I'm glad we meet your approval.




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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, May 24, 2003, 10:05:59 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Since forever.  To me guys is not at all gender neutral.  I bet you that
>>if I did a test of it, I would prove that I'm not alone in that -- a
>>test like telling a story that started with "Two guys were walking down
>>the street" and then asking questions later that would reveal what the
>>listeners assumed to be the chromosomal makeup of those people.
>>
>
> When you test a usage, it's a good idea to use the construction you're
> testing. "two guys" is not the same as "you guys".


        "Two guys" is an adjective-noun combo, while "you guys" is
one way of constructing the second person plural in certain
dialects of English.



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>This is where my frustration come into play (no pun intended). While I
>might not have the talent of a top athlete, I am very muscular. Much
>more muscular than WW or BMI takes into account.
>lisa

How do you determine that you are muscular?  Serious question.  I do a hand
and ankle weight lifting routine twice a week, about 45 minutes each
time.  I walk three miles about four times a week but not "briskly".  I
hike a few times a month.  Do you think that I'm more muscular than the
average active person?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>
>>  I see what you mean.  I don't like "gals" either.  Never minded tom-boy.
>>What's wrong with sissy?
>>
>
> My guess is that a parent wouldn't mind if a friend said "your Jane is a
> real little tomboy, isn't she" but would be not happy at all if the
> friend said "your Johnny is a real little sissy, isn't he."


        "Sissy" would be calling him a homosexual.  I've heard boys
referred to as "sensitive" and "artistic," etc. without
causing offense -- and I would consider these more girlish
traits.  I haven't heard "tomboy" in quite some time.
Usually "active" and "athletic" are what I hear -- as the
mother of a very active and athletic girl.  I'm not sure
what Terry hears.

        As for "gals" -- that's just a dated word.  Only old people
use that anymore.




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Marie Ascher wrote:

>>tried taramasalata for the first time .... and enjoyed it.
>>
>>
>
>Oh yum! I crave that all the time. I think my body needs fish roe.
>
I too was craving this last week. Tina and I tried a "new to us" Greek
restaurant last week and I was able to satisfy my craving.

>
>Tonight we're having some friends over and having some Moroccan style food -- I guess I'm mourning not being able to go.
>
Mmmm Moroccan, we had that last night. Good stuff!

I was wondering if they were going to pull the plug on your trip. Are
you going to look into Acadia-fest now?

> On the menu is: hummus and olives with cocktails, fattoush (a tomato and parsley salad bread salad), grilled Moroccan-spiced chicken, couscous with roasted vegetables. And then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry pie (the first of the season).
>
>Anything else I need?
>
Although it's too late, vanilla ice cream for the pie.

>Marie
>
lisa

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You know, I don't think it matters if it is "sexist" or not.
  The battle is pretty much over.  Girls can be whatever
they want to be now; changing words around is superfluous to
the *cause*.




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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Marie Ascher wrote:

>Oh dear. It's Sunday and the liquor stores are closed. We've only got vodka. I'm thinking fresh watermelon and vodka.
>
>Marie
>
Mmm.. had this in Florida. Ended up stagging down the street in search
of something to eat in an attempt to sober up. Good pick...

lisa

>
>

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> While I'm asking questions -- are you considering having another
> exchange student?


        We've toyed with the idea, but I'd feel guilty if we got one,
and my life turns out to be just as hectic next year as it
was this year, and I end up ignoring the poor thing.  It's
just hard to predict what kind of kid you are going to get
-- some get wrapped up in school and friends, and it doesn't
matter if you don't pay much attention to them, while others
really need you.  Julie and Karolin were pretty independent,
while Tomoko and Lisa were quite needy.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
=
= > The problem with generic he was, like your doctor example, that
= > most of the doctors were men, so generic he was sexist.
=
= Ok, we'll use a different example.  A sentence on a class syllabus says,
= "A student who wants to do well in this course will bring his book to
= class everyday."  Now let's say that the school has 90% female
= students.  Does that make the "his" not sexist?
=

No.

= >  But "you
= > guys" has, at least for my life, been inclusive.  So it's the
= > exact opposite situation.
=
= Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
= shift> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
= "Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
= would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
= would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
= and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
= the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
= males would be happy being called "you gals"?
=

I was talking to my class and I said, "Would you guys like to
have class outside this afternoon?"  Are they all male?

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At 08:47 AM 5/25/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>  At 07:19 PM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > >sandra wrote:
> > >
> > > >  What TraveLog
> > > > type sites do you all read?
> > >
> > >If I'm planning a trip, I just google for the destination.  I don't
> > >otherwise read travel sites.
> >
> > For my birthday I received a beautiful  Insight Guides book on
> > Alaska but I
> > usually look at Frommers.
> >
> > Betty
>
>I have a Frommers Alaska Guide 2002 if you'd like to borrie it :)

Thanks, but I already picked up a copy of Fodor's 2003 at the used book
store so I think I have enough.
When did you go?

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>
>>        I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>>
>>
>
>Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
>the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)
>
Hi Rita, this is La Tina, thanks for the offer of Greek food, it's a
very nice gesture.

Looking forward to meeting you in July...

Us Guys,

Tina
    and
            Lisa
ps. I (Tina) like baklava.

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        In front of the picture window -- you can't really see the
shape from the photos -- it gets more obvious later in the
season when the flowers get bigger.  Maybe I should grade a
little hill there.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Where is your flora peace symbol?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 10:23 AM 5/25/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > I like it better than "one" thinks or one "eats".  Whatever.  I don't know
> > why.  "One" sounds weird to me.
>
>I don't like "one" either.  I have an acquaintance who uses it often and
>sounds very goofy, imho.  He goes on and on with "if one does this, then
>one finds that [etc]."  But guess what was used like "one" in earlier
>stages of English?  Man!

Oh, no!  I'd rather have one, than man.

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Rita Chapman writes,

>        "Two guys" is an adjective-noun combo, while "you guys" is
>one way of constructing the second person plural in certain
>dialects of English.

My not-even-amateur grammarian take: "guy" is gender-specific, and
therefore so is its plural, "guys."

However, the collective pronoun "guys" is gender-neutral.

I will still go to great lengths to avoid gender-neutral "he" (even though
I'm persuaded that it's technically okay).

Then there's "dude" as an exclamation, which I'll use gender-neutrally.

Pete

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bonniev wrote:

>> This is where my frustration come into play (no pun intended). While I
>> might not have the talent of a top athlete, I am very muscular. Much
>> more muscular than WW or BMI takes into account.
>> lisa
>
>
> How do you determine that you are muscular?  Serious question.  I do a
> hand
> and ankle weight lifting routine twice a week, about 45 minutes each
> time.  I walk three miles about four times a week but not "briskly".  I
> hike a few times a month.  Do you think that I'm more muscular than the
> average active person?
>
>
>    --bonniev

FWIW, when I say I'm muscular I'm not comparing myself to anyone. Are
you more muscular than the average active person? I really have no idea.

To seriously answer your question: I look in the mirror and when I do so
this is what I see...

Legs - Large with defined, cut muscles. A little fat just bellow my butt
which I'm working towards getting rid of by doing squats (25 lbs in each
hand).

Arms - No fat, fairly well defined with horseshoes, guns and pipes.

Belly - Flabby. Under the flab I can feel tight muscles. I'm increasing
the amount of sit ups I do and the frequency with which I do them.

Chest/neck - Definition starting to become apparent.

All this is a results of at least 40 minutes of cardio 5 times a week
combined with weight lifting at least three times a week. For weights, I
alternate between the free weight room and the nautilus (sp?) circuit
every six weeks.

In the summer months I run outside once or twice a week for about 3
miles and I try to bike to work (a short 8 miles.. one way) once a week.

My gym uses a system called, fitlinxx (www.fitlinxx.com) which allows me
to track my nautilus (sp?) work and my cardio activity. I'm ranked #6 in
strength and #7 in cardio amongst women. Although I can't remember my
overall ranking, it's respectable.

And yes, if you think I'm proud of these facts and what I've been able
to do, you'd be right. I've worked hard and I enjoy it. It's fun to see
my body change in a positive way. Since I've always been into sports,
this is a great way for me to satisfy my competitive desire. I can
honestly say that as I approach my 32nd birthday I'm in the best shape
of my life and I love that idea.

lisa

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02003-05-25 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > You must not go to malls.  There aren't any malls in Starkville, but
> > > when I'm in malls in other towns I am fascinated by the <poundage>.
> >
> > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
>
> Does Chicago have malls?

Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.

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Marie:

>Tonight we're having some friends over and having some Moroccan style food
>-- I guess I'm mourning not being able to go. On the menu > is: hummus and
>olives with cocktails, fattoush (a tomato and parsley salad bread salad),
>grilled Moroccan-spiced chicken, couscous with > roasted vegetables. And
>then, a very non-Middle Eastern blueberry pie (the first of the season).

Yum. I love Moroccan food, esp preserved lemon. Any
mint on the fattoush with the parsley?

It's a soggy dismal weekend here and I had to cancel my
outdoor plans. Which sucks cuz now I have plenty of time
to think of all kinds of unpleasant scenarios. I hate that.

-rashmi

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=
= Then there's "dude" as an exclamation, which I'll use gender-neutrally.
=
= Pete

Oh, that's good.  Then we can get to the gender-mushy "babe".
Good for husbands but not male colleagues.

Can I get you a coffee?
Yeah.
How do you want it?
Cappucino, sugar, two sticks.
Sure, but don't call me sugar.

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>Legs - Large with defined, cut muscles. A little fat just bellow my butt
>which I'm working towards getting rid of by doing squats (25 lbs in each
>hand).

Maybe you are twice as muscular as I am.  My squats are only with 12 pounds
in each hand.

>the amount of sit ups I do and the frequency with which I do them.

How do you do your sit-ups?  I was stunned a couple of weeks ago that I
couldn't do even one after two years of other abdominal muscle work.  The
kind I couldn't do was lying on my back on the floor with my knees raised
and feet flat on the floor, arms at my sides.  I couldn't just sit up from
that position at all, without my feet coming off the floor.  But I began to
work on it and now I can do two sets of eight but I cannot yet do them with
my arms crossed on my chest.

>In the summer months I run outside once or twice a week for about 3
>miles and I try to bike to work (a short 8 miles.. one way) once a week.

I won't run and I won't bike.  Are you going to bring your bike to
Acadiafest?

>And yes, if you think I'm proud of these facts and what I've been able
>to do, you'd be right. I've worked hard and I enjoy it.
>lisa

You should be proud!


    --bonniev

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steph wrote:

> =
> = Then there's "dude" as an exclamation, which I'll use gender-neutrally.
> =
> = Pete
>
> Oh, that's good.  Then we can get to the gender-mushy "babe".
> Good for husbands but not male colleagues.
>


        I use "babe" for male and female students.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Here's some photos of the boat:
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita/mamastruck.html
>>
>>You can even get a glimpse of my old fat guy.
>>
>
> That was fun!  He doesn't look fat.



        The old fat guy thanks you.





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> Yum. I love Moroccan food, esp preserved lemon. Any
> mint on the fattoush with the parsley?

Yep. I've never made it before, but 1) it makes sense with this chicken recipe that I love and 2) it's from a cookbook that I am slowly working through, Best American Recipes 2002. If you haven't heard of this series, every year (for the past couple anyway), the editors pull together what they consider to be the best recipes of the past year -- from newspapers, books, websites, packages, etc. I've loved everything I've cooked from it so far.

The fattoush is also supposed to have "sumac" (actually, it says it's optional) in it, but I didn't find any and didn't make a special trip to a Middle Eastern market.

> It's a soggy dismal weekend here and I had to cancel my
> outdoor plans. Which sucks cuz now I have plenty of time
> to think of all kinds of unpleasant scenarios. I hate that.

The sun has peeped through a couple of times today. Don't blink.

Marie

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> You know, I don't think it matters if it is "sexist" or not.
>   The battle is pretty much over.  Girls can be whatever
> they want to be now; changing words around is superfluous to
> the *cause*.

What I find more interesting about this discussion is the idea that
language use is not [whatever] as long as the speaker doesn't think it's
[whatever].  Bonnie seemed to think I didn't understand that she grew up
using "you guys" without thought of sexism and continues to use it that
way -- as gender-neutral.  I don't have any problem understanding that.
What about the expression to "jew somebody down"?  An acquaintance of
mine regularly uses that expression, and one day somebody questioned him
about it.  He was quite surprised that anybody would associate it with
Jewishness.  He said that he had never made that association and wasn't
even sure how the "jew" in "jew somebody down" was spelled -- that he'd
never seen it written.  Iow, there was no slur of any kind involved in
his usage.  I feel sure that he will continue to use it at times, even
if he tries not to, since he's been using it for years without any
intention of insulting anybody.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 12:50:28 PM, bonniev wrote:
> How do you do your sit-ups?  I was stunned a couple of weeks ago that I
> couldn't do even one after two years of other abdominal muscle work.

What other abdominal work? Squats are very ab-heavy, too, btw.

> But I began to work on it and now I can do two sets of eight but I
> cannot yet do them with my arms crossed on my chest.

Why do you care?

Karen

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Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> I was wondering if they were going to pull the plug on your trip. Are
> you going to look into Acadia-fest now?

They're still going to Spain, aren't they?

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steph wrote:
> = Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
> = shift> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
> = "Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
> = would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
> = would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
> = and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
> = the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
> = males would be happy being called "you gals"?
> =
>
> I was talking to my class and I said, "Would you guys like to
> have class outside this afternoon?"  Are they all male?

That's my question.  If you say "each student should bring his book to
class," is each student male?

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>He was quite surprised that anybody would associate it with
>Jewishness.  He said that he had never made that association and wasn't
>even sure how the "jew" in "jew somebody down" was spelled -- that he'd
>never seen it written.  Iow, there was no slur of any kind involved in
>his usage.  I feel sure that he will continue to use it at times, even
>if he tries not to, since he's been using it for years without any
>intention of insulting anybody.    -- Natalie

I remember when I first found out about that.  My confusion was even
greater because I always thought the phrase was "chew someone down", as in
talking and talking and chewing on it until the price came down.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor:
= steph wrote:
= > = Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
= > = shift> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
= > = "Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
= > = would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
= > = would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
= > = and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
= > = the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
= > = males would be happy being called "you gals"?
= > =
= >
= > I was talking to my class and I said, "Would you guys like to
= > have class outside this afternoon?"  Are they all male?
=
= That's my question.  If you say "each student should bring his book to
= class," is each student male?
=

No, but it's sexist.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> My not-even-amateur grammarian take: "guy" is gender-specific, and
> therefore so is its plural, "guys."
>
> However, the collective pronoun "guys" is gender-neutral.

You don't see any relationship between the "guys" in your first sentence
and the "guys" in your second sentence?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
> >
> > Does Chicago have malls?
>
> Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.

Of course it is.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:25:19 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> steph wrote:
>> = Returning to the example that Bonnie seemed to think was a <subtle
>> = shift> but that I think makes the important point about "you guys":
>> = "Two guys were walking down the street."  I contend that most people
>> = would picture them as males.  "Two people were walking down the street"
>> = would be neutral.  So in saying "you guys," you are taking a male term
>> = and using it in a phrase that you intend as gender neutral.  Why is it
>> = the male term that's being used?  Why not "you gals"?  Do you think
>> = males would be happy being called "you gals"?
>> =
>>
>> I was talking to my class and I said, "Would you guys like to
>> have class outside this afternoon?"  Are they all male?

> That's my question.  If you say "each student should bring his book to
> class," is each student male?

To me, it's far more likely. These days, people say his or her, or use
'their'.

Karen

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steph wrote:

> = > I was talking to my class and I said, "Would you guys like to
> = > have class outside this afternoon?"  Are they all male?
> =
> = That's my question.  If you say "each student should bring his book to
> = class," is each student male?
> =
>
> No, but it's sexist.

Right.  That's my point.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:27:47 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>> My not-even-amateur grammarian take: "guy" is gender-specific, and
>> therefore so is its plural, "guys."
>>
>> However, the collective pronoun "guys" is gender-neutral.

> You don't see any relationship between the "guys" in your first sentence
> and the "guys" in your second sentence?

I think the relationship is historical and artifactual. artefactual?

Karen

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:28:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
>> >
>> > Does Chicago have malls?
>>
>> Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.

> Of course it is.

Chicago has plenty of malls.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> I was talking to my class and I said, "Would you guys like to
> >> have class outside this afternoon?"  Are they all male?
>
> > That's my question.  If you say "each student should bring his book to
> > class," is each student male?
>
> To me, it's far more likely. These days, people say his or her, or use
> 'their'.

I agree that most people have dropped generic "his," which is why I find
the use of "you guys" surprising, especially when it's by the same
people who get all riled up about generic he.  Because generic he is
part of my native dialect, I wouldn't misunderstand if somebody said it
(he/him/his).  I might, however, think if somebody said "would you guys
like to have class outside" that it was an invitation to just the
males.  Context would help, of course.  I can imagine its being said in
a context like a bunch of unruly boys in a classroom -- like sending the
boys outside while the girls stayed inside to continue the classwork.

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> At 08:47 AM 5/25/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >  At 07:19 PM 5/24/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > >sandra wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  What TraveLog
> > > > > type sites do you all read?
> > > >
> > > >If I'm planning a trip, I just google for the destination.  I don't
> > > >otherwise read travel sites.
> > >
> > > For my birthday I received a beautiful  Insight Guides book on
> > > Alaska but I
> > > usually look at Frommers.
> > >
> > > Betty
> >
> >I have a Frommers Alaska Guide 2002 if you'd like to borrie it :)
>
> Thanks, but I already picked up a copy of Fodor's 2003 at the used book
> store so I think I have enough.
> When did you go?
>
> Betty


Haven't made it thusfar. Meant to go last year...but opted to travel with
friends to Mazatlan instead. I travel solo so often, I decided it would be
nice to go with others.

Sandra

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:33:46 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Because generic he is
> part of my native dialect, I wouldn't misunderstand if somebody said it
> (he/him/his).

I grew up with it, but I no longer use it.

> I might, however, think if somebody said "would you guys
> like to have class outside" that it was an invitation to just the
> males.

That's because you have the generic collective of y'all. A lot of us
don't have that available to us as a choice. I don't know what's so
hard to grasp about this.

Karen

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I don't often try less than western medicine, but i have a good friend who
is a naturopath and occasionally, I've tried some of her fixes. She also
does some of that bio rhythm work that seems so ooogie boogie to me.

I've been in pain the last week ...pulled something or at least injured
something when I was working with new weights. It means my shoulder
blade/neck area and something in my forearm ache periodically through the
day...depending on what I'm doing. I saw her this morning...made coffee for
her, and she encouraged me to try a sample of something she had on her:
Traumeel. You place two tablets under your tongue and let them dissolve.
Good god....this stuff is working. My normal ache is gone for now, even
though I'm doing the things that would cause it to reoccur. This is great
stuff.

She really is the closest thing to a "healer" that I've ever known. Cured my
seasickness when we were on a boat in Mazatlan. She knew the right pressure
point on the inner part of my thigh...and made it seasickness vanish in less
than 10 minutes. Normally, it lingers long after the boat ride.

I'm so happy to be relieved of pain for now.

Sandra

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Karen Kay wrote:

> That's because you have the generic collective of y'all. A lot of us
> don't have that available to us as a choice. I don't know what's so
> hard to grasp about this.

You are not allowed to use y'all?  I'm surprised.  I've given a couple
of papers on y'all/you-guys and have published a short article on them.
Actually, I think I've published two articles on that topic, but I'd
have to check to make sure.  I remember the short one in the millenium
edition of American Speech, but I'm vaguely remembering now publishing
one in Journal of English Linguistics.  It might not have included
you-guys.  I think it was mainly about y'all vs you-all.  Anyway,
research (mine and other people's) has shown a spread of both y'all and
you-guys beyond their earlier regional boundaries.

I've discovered some interesting attitudes in surveys of college
students, btw -- like the attitude among some that you-guys is more
"formal" than y'all.  Some also make that distinction between y'all and
you-all -- that you-all is more "formal" or more "polite."  That's not
hard to understand really since you-all is more common among older
speakers than among younger speakers.  I can't remember now whether it
was you-guys or you-all that one of my students told me she used when
working (as a waitress) to older people.  It was one of those.  I do
know that some waiters I've asked about why they said you-guys to people
they were serving have said that they used it for work but not with
their friends.  (The surveys I was talking about were written ones --
not these informal conversations I'm talking about now.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Here's a wonderful article on improvements on airport web sites....including
great transportation tips for getting to and fro.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/25/travel/25prac.html?th

Sandra

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Natalie:

>I agree that most people have dropped generic "his," which is why I find
>the use of "you guys" surprising, especially when it's by the same
>people who get all riled up about generic he.  Because generic he is
>part of my native dialect, I wouldn't misunderstand if somebody said it
>(he/him/his).  I might, however, think if somebody said "would you guys
>like to have class outside" that it was an invitation to just the
>males.  Context would help, of course.

I don't see the parallel between generic his and you guys at all.
Thinking that you guys said to a mixed group applies just to
the males is mutant. What'd you make of AnnB's point about
"regional, elderly pocket of resistance"?

-rashmi

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> >clyde:
> >
> >>No---no referent, direct or implied, to a current list member; rather,
>to
> >>the Marin County culture satirized in book and movie form by "Serial."
> >
> >Hey Clyde, this is 2003. Isn't it time you updated those stereotypes?
>
>Au contraire---"new age" thinking yet abounds.

But in 2003 pockets of New Ageism exist all over the country.
It's no longer limited to Marin County. The person who cuts
my hair constantly talks about being spiritual but not religious
blablabla - she was born in Philly and has never been west
of the mississippi.

-rashmi

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I don't see the parallel between generic his and you guys at all.

And I find that surprising.  They both involve generic use of a male
term.

> Thinking that you guys said to a mixed group applies just to
> the males is mutant. What'd you make of AnnB's point about
> "regional, elderly pocket of resistance"?

I didn't make anything of it.  Was I supposed to?  I threw away all my
research notes and stuff when moving out of my office last year, so I
can't go back and check, but her theory is certainly not inconsistent
with my findings.  I had only one group of elderly people in the survey
I did in five Southern states -- since the survey was mainly about
trends among younger speakers.  I'm pretty sure, though, that in that
elderly group (average age something like ninety), not a single one said
yes to "would you ever use you-guys?"  Among the college students a good
many said yes, though y'all was their favored term.

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> You are not allowed to use y'all?  I'm surprised.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I use it. I find it *friendly*.

Sandra

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:50:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> That's because you have the generic collective of y'all. A lot of us
>> don't have that available to us as a choice. I don't know what's so
>> hard to grasp about this.

> You are not allowed to use y'all?

It's not available to me as a choice.

Karen

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02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:28:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
> >> >
> >> > Does Chicago have malls?
> >>
> >> Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.
>
> > Of course it is.
>
> Chicago has plenty of malls.

Name three.

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02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:16:48 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > A question to all the West Coast brothers and sisters--how do the
> > Chinese drink?
>
> I'm not a West Coast bro or sis, but let me essay an answer:
> copiously.

Nice essay, K-R-N. I guess Sandra knows high class American Chinese,
and you know low class Chinese Chinese? Or am I totally wrong?

> I have no idea. I will say that I've never seen an exclusively Chinese
> bar. The bars in Chinese restaurants tend to be normal western bars.
> So the idea of it being a <club> sounds right.

OK, I think that's it. It's a kind of a club. Thanks ...

If it's a club of working class Chinese men, should I report it?

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Kristin Sarv writes,
>
> >It seems I am having a really interesting night.
>
> I've been fiddling with a stitching program to combine four digital photos
> of a beautiful double rainbow the family was lucky enough to witness in
> mid-April so you can see the whole thing in one image.
>
> I'm not sure which one of is being less productive. :)

Glad to see there is yet something remained for you to learn :)

Isn't it easier to shoot a panorama photo at once than to combine several together
later on? Well, I have not got a digital camera, so you shouldn't waste long
explanations on me. I just wondered.

Kristin

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Sandra:
> Do you drive a truck?

I don't live in the South, I live
in New Orleans.

--
Richard         not today, no

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Nataguy:
>I was beginning to think that nobody knew
>or cared about eels.

I once read somewhere that no one has
ever seen eels mate.  I'm not sure if
that's a fact, or if it's a joke that
I still don't get.

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Richard         not today, no

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Rita:
>Assumption is holding its Greek 'Fest this weekend

Ditto with the G.O. church here.

Does this weekend have some significance?

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Richard         not today, no

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steph wrote:

> The voting is always very political - you vote for your allies,
> your neighbors.

Well, yes, but as these are listeners interested in the results who give
their votes the political aspect is actually rather interesting -- or
one may call it an ethnic aspect, too, imo they sort of coincide here.
It doesn't tell everything about the population in a country, but it
says something about some bunch of a population.

And it must surely be a matter of taste, too. No wonder that the former
Yugoslavian countries vote for each other -- that their tastes resemble
seems highly plausible.

> This year the UK got the big goose egg, and at
> some point Terry Wogan, who's been hosting it on the BBC forever
> figured it was Iraq backlash.  So it's also only fitting that
> Turkey, who gave the US the big blow off, should win.  It was
> either that or the belly dancer vote.

In a way, it all is funny. I mean, for me it would've been all the same
who won, yet I followed the game of voting over the radio, at the same
time listening funny comments from my sons -- who, btw, had listened to
all of the concert. It means so little, yet we get somehow excited about
it.

Kristin

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> I see from the newspaper this morning that Norway was number 4.

And nice it was :)

Kristin

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>she encouraged me to try a sample of something she had on her:
>Traumeel. You place two tablets under your tongue and let them dissolve.
>Sandra

Didn't you even ask what the stuff was??


    --bonniev

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> > Chicago has plenty of malls.
>
>Name three.

Water Tower Mall


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:28:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= > > Tushar Samant wrote:
= > >> > > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
= > >> >
= > >> > Does Chicago have malls?
= > >>
= > >> Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.
= >
= > > Of course it is.
= >
= > Chicago has plenty of malls.
=
= Name three.

Water Tower Place
900 N. Michigan
Shops at North Bridge
If not now, soon: 108 N. State Street

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 2:28:17 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:28:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does Chicago have malls?
>> >>
>> >> Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.
>>
>> > Of course it is.
>>
>> Chicago has plenty of malls.

> Name three.

Uhhhh....

Michigan Avenue.:)

Karen

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Where is the pressure point to relieve the stress on your wallet?

-aht

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 2:32:57 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Nice essay, K-R-N. I guess Sandra knows high class American Chinese,
> and you know low class Chinese Chinese? Or am I totally wrong?

I don't know. I have known a large variety of all sorts of Chinese;
the woman who cut my hair yesterday is Chinese, in fact.

> If it's a club of working class Chinese men, should I report it?

Since I've never seen such a thing, yes.

I am surprised there's no mah jongg or whatever to go with the
drinking, though.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > What!!?  Rita's not tall?????  Next thing you'll be telling me she isn't
> > cute either.
>
>         I'm barely taller than Karen.  Less cute than Marie and Lisa.

One more evidence how much photos may lie!

Now, this is a reaction at your first statement. But it'd be queer if I
deleted the second one from the quote... That might attach some unwanted
meaning to my utterance... And if I'm going to add any more sentences to what
I've taken down here it'd become even more fussy...

Kristin

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Anne Toal wrote:
>
> You should call yourself DJ Terminator.

This is really good but I've had enough identity crises.

Ann

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   Ana's the
> cute one.

She certainly is!

Now I noticed that the thread is several days old. While trying to catch up I
didnt't notice it before. Alas, today's session is over again. It's getting late.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>
>>I don't see the parallel between generic his and you guys at all.
>>
>
> And I find that surprising.  They both involve generic use of a male
> term.
>
>
>>Thinking that you guys said to a mixed group applies just to
>>the males is mutant. What'd you make of AnnB's point about
>>"regional, elderly pocket of resistance"?
>>
>
> I didn't make anything of it.  Was I supposed to?  I threw away all my
> research notes and stuff when moving out of my office last year, so I
> can't go back and check, but her theory is certainly not inconsistent
> with my findings.  I had only one group of elderly people in the survey
> I did in five Southern states -- since the survey was mainly about
> trends among younger speakers.  I'm pretty sure, though, that in that
> elderly group (average age something like ninety), not a single one said
> yes to "would you ever use you-guys?"  Among the college students a good
> many said yes, though y'all was their favored term.


        I would never use "you-guys" in formal speech.  In that case
I would use "you."



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        I'll try to bring some Greek to the 'Fest for you guys.  No
promises, though, 'cuz I'm more or less at the mercy of my
family while I'm there.  I cook better Greek than my mom,
though, so she may let me trash her kitchen for some.

        I am now craving taramousalata on saltines.  Sigh.

Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>        I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
>> the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)
>>
> Hi Rita, this is La Tina, thanks for the offer of Greek food, it's a
> very nice gesture.
>
> Looking forward to meeting you in July...
>
> Us Guys,
>
> Tina
>    and
>            Lisa
> ps. I (Tina) like baklava.
>


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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>You know, I don't think it matters if it is "sexist" or not.
>>  The battle is pretty much over.  Girls can be whatever
>>they want to be now; changing words around is superfluous to
>>the *cause*.
>>
>
> What I find more interesting about this discussion is the idea that
> language use is not [whatever] as long as the speaker doesn't think it's
> [whatever].  Bonnie seemed to think I didn't understand that she grew up
> using "you guys" without thought of sexism and continues to use it that
> way -- as gender-neutral.  I don't have any problem understanding that.
> What about the expression to "jew somebody down"?  An acquaintance of
> mine regularly uses that expression, and one day somebody questioned him
> about it.  He was quite surprised that anybody would associate it with
> Jewishness.  He said that he had never made that association and wasn't
> even sure how the "jew" in "jew somebody down" was spelled -- that he'd
> never seen it written.  Iow, there was no slur of any kind involved in
> his usage.  I feel sure that he will continue to use it at times, even
> if he tries not to, since he's been using it for years without any
> intention of insulting anybody.


        No, I think it has more to do with audience.  Most of the
people I would use the construct with would not perceive it
as gender specific.

        "Y'all" is not a part of my dialect.  I would be perceived as
being affected for some reason.

        FWIW, I use "woman/ladies" and "gentleman/gentlemen" when I
want to be gender specific.




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I promise not to flush it if I can be one of the guys.

B

At 03:12 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I'll try to bring some Greek to the 'Fest for you guys.  No
>promises, though, 'cuz I'm more or less at the mercy of my
>family while I'm there.  I cook better Greek than my mom,
>though, so she may let me trash her kitchen for some.
>
>        I am now craving taramousalata on saltines.  Sigh.
>
>Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>        I'll make some for you guys at some point.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Dare I say again that I am not a guy?  (I wouldn't say it except that
>>>the above was written in reply to something I wrote.)
>>Hi Rita, this is La Tina, thanks for the offer of Greek food, it's a
>>very nice gesture.
>>
>>Looking forward to meeting you in July...
>>
>>Us Guys,
>>
>>Tina
>>    and
>>            Lisa
>>ps. I (Tina) like baklava.
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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At 03:12 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I'll try to bring some Greek to the 'Fest for you guys.  No
>promises, though, 'cuz I'm more or less at the mercy of my
>family while I'm there.  I cook better Greek than my mom,
>though, so she may let me trash her kitchen for some.

ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?

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California just beat Arizona in 12 innings.  They have to play them again
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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>Assumption is holding its Greek 'Fest this weekend
>>
>
> Ditto with the G.O. church here.
>
> Does this weekend have some significance?


        No. St. Nicholas fests Labor Day weekend; Assumption does
Memorial Day weekend.  It is what passes for détente around
here.




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At 03:43 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>human powered vehicle wrote:
>
>>Rita:
>>
>>>Assumption is holding its Greek 'Fest this weekend
>>
>>Ditto with the G.O. church here.
>>
>>Does this weekend have some significance?
>
>
>        No. St. Nicholas fests Labor Day weekend; Assumption does
>Memorial Day weekend.  It is what passes for détente around
>here.

Significance or not, I have observed the Greek 'Fest weekend by having
Kalamata olives with my martini.  Now, on to the Atlantic salmon under
parchment with chipotles...

cwv

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At 03:14 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>You know, I don't think it matters if it is "sexist" or not.
>>>  The battle is pretty much over.  Girls can be whatever
>>>they want to be now; changing words around is superfluous to
>>>the *cause*.
>>
>>What I find more interesting about this discussion is the idea that
>>language use is not [whatever] as long as the speaker doesn't think it's
>>[whatever].  Bonnie seemed to think I didn't understand that she grew up
>>using "you guys" without thought of sexism and continues to use it that
>>way -- as gender-neutral.  I don't have any problem understanding that.
>>What about the expression to "jew somebody down"?  An acquaintance of
>>mine regularly uses that expression, and one day somebody questioned him
>>about it.  He was quite surprised that anybody would associate it with
>>Jewishness.  He said that he had never made that association and wasn't
>>even sure how the "jew" in "jew somebody down" was spelled -- that he'd
>>never seen it written.  Iow, there was no slur of any kind involved in
>>his usage.  I feel sure that he will continue to use it at times, even
>>if he tries not to, since he's been using it for years without any
>>intention of insulting anybody.
>
>
>        No, I think it has more to do with audience.  Most of the
>people I would use the construct with would not perceive it
>as gender specific.
>
>        "Y'all" is not a part of my dialect.  I would be perceived as
>being affected for some reason.
>
>        FWIW, I use "woman/ladies" and "gentleman/gentlemen" when I
>want to be gender specific.

I don't like "ladies".  Where is gentlewoman?

B

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02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 2:32:57 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Nice essay, K-R-N. I guess Sandra knows high class American Chinese,
> > and you know low class Chinese Chinese? Or am I totally wrong?
>
> I don't know. I have known a large variety of all sorts of Chinese;
> the woman who cut my hair yesterday is Chinese, in fact.

Does she drink copiously?

I am simply trying to understand the bigger picture, but the
only thing I can go on on is India. Just about everybody I know
knows one lameass facet of it and they generalize. The situation
is not helped by people who speak for India--as you expect, they
are typically the high-caste ones. Where I grew up, drinking was
still fairly lower-class and considered an aberration or exception,
and most older people in my family can't even stand the smell of
any alcohol. They are physically nauseated, or have a reaction
resembling an allergic reaction. I suspect they (fondly) believe
it's genetic, but I can prove that it's not. I am wondering if
this "turning red" of Asians is an extreme form of that.

> > If it's a club of working class Chinese men, should I report it?
>
> Since I've never seen such a thing, yes.

OK, I'll fill out a form. Is it on the web?

> I am surprised there's no mah jongg or whatever to go with the
> drinking, though.

Maybe there is. I haven't looked that closely. I can't bring myself
to invade the place, and I can't peer through the glass from the
street. But for you, K-R-N, I'll do some snooping. The vague picture
in my mind is, a bunch of men sitting around a table, drinking mostly
beer, and mostly Tsing Tao going from the general appearance, and
talking. The younger kids have an effeminate-seeming way of grabbing
the bottle with both hands, sometimes. On what do you base your
expectation of mah jongg?

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I'm back. I had a great weekend - and I greatly appreciated the continued
cool weather. Today it was so cool that I had to shut all the vernt
windows to keep from getting really cold on the drive back from Nashville.
Of course the heavy rain all the way was part of that.

Bethany

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02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 2:28:17 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Sunday, May 25, 2003, 1:28:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >> > > I guess Chicago just doesn't have people that fat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does Chicago have malls?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hm, maybe THAT's what it is.
> >>
> >> > Of course it is.
> >>
> >> Chicago has plenty of malls.
>
> > Name three.
>
> Uhhhh....
>
> Michigan Avenue.:)

I don't quite understand ... do you mean "Water Tower Mall", by
any chance?

Anyway, I was at Water Tower Place some time ago, and (seriously)
I saw much fewer "fat" people than I expected. The proportion of
teenagers was also lower than I thought it would be.

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02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> California just beat Arizona in 12 innings.  They have to play them again
> today.

YaY!

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5/24/2003, 9:05 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Since forever.  To me guys is not at all gender neutral.  I bet you that
NM> if I did a test of it, I would prove that I'm not alone in that

    I'd not suggest you're alone, just in the minority as far as
    "guys" or "you guys" being neutral.  Now if you said "these two
    guys were out hunting...." that would be different.  you guys is
    no different than y'all, except for the accent.

    dan
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5/24/2003, 9:06 PM, sandra wrote:

>> Assume you mean a lap-band, adjustable gastric band, not something
>> else?  Lots of places really push various bypasses, such as RNY.
>>
>> Is he getting it done in US or in Mexico?  Or elsewhere?
>>
>> dan


s> Somewhere in So Cal. Why would one go to Mexico for this?

       If they didn't have insurance for it, they'd go to mexico to
       get it done for less than half the price, plus by doctors
       who've been doing it much longer (has only been legal in US for
       under two years, been done by docs in mexico, who trained all
       the US docs, for 8-10 years.  If I had insurance for it, I'd
       find an experienced US doc (most that do it haven't done many,
       though there are some in US who've done lots)

       dan
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5/25/2003, 6:45 AM, Espen S. Ore wrote:

ESO> 15:52 24.05.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:

>>I'm now down to 278, BMI of 39.9 instead of 46.3.  I say my current goal is
>>222, which would still be a "bad" BMI of 31.3 as obese.  We'll see.

ESO> My aim is to have a BMI below 25, but it seems to keep stuck at around 25.5.

Well, I gather you're very healthy, and probably muscular, thus a
higher BMI.  No matter what it is, you're way ahead of the majority of
wordslers, I'm sure.

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5/25/2003, 7:59 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I guess it's in the category of stuff we were talking about a few weeks
NM> ago -- like why my overall level of <activism> has increased as I've
NM> gotten older -- a stronger desire to fight for <causes>.  I really

      This is interesting.  From everything I've read, and most that
      I've observed, the majority become less activist as they get
      older. But I'd expect Natalie to be the exception to the rule.
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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 4:37:24 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> I don't know. I have known a large variety of all sorts of Chinese;
>> the woman who cut my hair yesterday is Chinese, in fact.

> Does she drink copiously?

She wasn't when she was cutting my hair, but I don't know her well
enough to know.

> I am simply trying to understand the bigger picture, but the
> only thing I can go on on is India. Just about everybody I know
> knows one lameass facet of it and they generalize.

Like the guy who wrote that book, who asked what a typical Indian and
a typical Westerner would do. As if!

> They are physically nauseated, or have a reaction
> resembling an allergic reaction. I suspect they (fondly) believe
> it's genetic, but I can prove that it's not.

LOL.

> I am wondering if
> this "turning red" of Asians is an extreme form of that.

No--I have actually read medical papers on this; I briefly
corresponded with a researcher on this topic at Berkeley. This was
almost 30 years ago, though, so I no longer remember the details. I
think maybe it has to do with an enzyme--East Asians are more likely
to be lactose intolerant, too, because of another missing enzyme. So
it's no accident that Chinese and Japanese cuisines are not milk-based.

I also thought that in Japan it had partly to do with the strength of the
alcohol--my face got VERY red there any time I drank.

>> > If it's a club of working class Chinese men, should I report it?
>>
>> Since I've never seen such a thing, yes.

> OK, I'll fill out a form. Is it on the web?

:) If I had the time, I'd make you one, sweetie.

>> I am surprised there's no mah jongg or whatever to go with the
>> drinking, though.

> Maybe there is. I haven't looked that closely. I can't bring myself
> to invade the place, and I can't peer through the glass from the
> street. But for you, K-R-N, I'll do some snooping. The vague picture
> in my mind is, a bunch of men sitting around a table, drinking mostly
> beer, and mostly Tsing Tao going from the general appearance, and
> talking. The younger kids have an effeminate-seeming way of grabbing
> the bottle with both hands, sometimes. On what do you base your
> expectation of mah jongg?

The Chinese I know had to have an ostensible <purpose> to get together
and drink. Mah jongg is one of those purposes.

Karen

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5/25/2003, 9:12 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
>> tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.

KK> These terms are hardly equivalent.

      Exactly.  Sissy is a word that has meanings far beyond "girl
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Natalie Maynor writes,

>You don't see any relationship between the "guys" in your first sentence
>and the "guys" in your second sentence?

They're isomorphic and etymologically related?

Pete

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Karen Kay writes,

> > That's my question.  If you say "each student should bring his book to
> > class," is each student male?
>
>To me, it's far more likely.

Me too.

Pete

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > Chicago has plenty of malls.
> >
> >Name three.
>
> Water Tower Mall

Doesn't count.  WT is not at all a <regular> mall.

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02003-05-25 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I am simply trying to understand the bigger picture, but the
> > only thing I can go on on is India. Just about everybody I know
> > knows one lameass facet of it and they generalize.
>
> Like the guy who wrote that book, who asked what a typical Indian
> and a typical Westerner would do. As if!

Typical ...

> > They are physically nauseated, or have a reaction
> > resembling an allergic reaction. I suspect they (fondly) believe
> > it's genetic, but I can prove that it's not.
>
> LOL.

LOL! :) :)

> > I am wondering if
> > this "turning red" of Asians is an extreme form of that.
>
> No--I have actually read medical papers on this;

I know THAT ... puh! Like it's not the most repeated bit of
wisdom about Asians and alcohol ... We still have the mystery
of the copiously drinking Chinese. So I ask you again, K-R-N,
who are they? Where did you see them? Was there any class-based
criterion you could apply to identify them?

> I also thought that in Japan it had partly to do with the strength
> of the alcohol--my face got VERY red there any time I drank.

Like a Cosmopolitan, maybe?

> > Maybe there is. I haven't looked that closely. I can't bring myself
> > to invade the place, and I can't peer through the glass from the
> > street. But for you, K-R-N, I'll do some snooping. The vague picture
> > in my mind is, a bunch of men sitting around a table, drinking mostly
> > beer, and mostly Tsing Tao going from the general appearance, and
> > talking. The younger kids have an effeminate-seeming way of grabbing
> > the bottle with both hands, sometimes. On what do you base your
> > expectation of mah jongg?
>
> The Chinese I know had to have an ostensible <purpose> to get together
> and drink. Mah jongg is one of those purposes.

Thank you, Karen.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I would never use "you-guys" in formal speech.  In that case
> I would use "you."

Too bad I threw away all the survey forms.  Some of the comments were
very interesting.  I might have quoted some of them in the article, but
I don't really remember -- and am not motivated to dig around in boxes
in my junkroom in search of a copy.

But speaking of my junkroom, it's getting leaner by the minute.  I've
just filled up several more boxes of books to take to the public library
-- took a couple of hundred (books, not boxes -- just four or five
boxes) there Friday.  Will take these tomorrow if they're open, Tuesday
if they're not open tomorrow.  I'm being ruthless in my book-dumping.  I
have a feeling that some of them I'm giving to the library would be
valuable if I tried to sell them on e-bay -- lots of late 1800s and
early 1900s books, some battered, others in pretty good condition.

Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely somebody
would be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I would never use "you-guys" in formal speech.  In that case
>>I would use "you."
>>
>
> Too bad I threw away all the survey forms.  Some of the comments were
> very interesting.  I might have quoted some of them in the article, but
> I don't really remember -- and am not motivated to dig around in boxes
> in my junkroom in search of a copy.


        I'm sure my dialectical leanings vary considerably from those
of students at MSU.




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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> At 03:12 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I'll try to bring some Greek to the 'Fest for you guys.  No
>> promises, though, 'cuz I'm more or less at the mercy of my
>> family while I'm there.  I cook better Greek than my mom,
>> though, so she may let me trash her kitchen for some.
>
>
> ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?


        You betcha.



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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> I'm back. I had a great weekend - and I greatly appreciated the continued
> cool weather. Today it was so cool that I had to shut all the vernt
> windows to keep from getting really cold on the drive back from Nashville.
> Of course the heavy rain all the way was part of that.

Welcome back.  We're into Greek food and whether "you guys" is sexist.
(Apparently I'm the only one who thinks it is, which I find strange.)
What was the name of that Greek restaurant where we ate in Memphis at
SECOL?  And what did we eat?  I remember thinking it was excellent.  No
baklava.  Or rather I didn't have any.  Probably it was offered.  (Btw,
one reason I keep on talking about baklava is that it seems that it's
something people give to people often.  I remember when my Romanian
neighbor many years ago brought me some baklava that her illegal-alien
mother had made using pecans from my trees.  Then in Hville I was
constantly being faced with baklava since my mother's very kind neighbor
was Greek and would make it or buy it regularly and bring some down.)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Anyway, I was at Water Tower Place some time ago, and (seriously)
> I saw much fewer "fat" people than I expected. The proportion of
> teenagers was also lower than I thought it would be.

Forget Water Tower.  It's not <real>.  It doesn't look or act like a
regular mall.  You need to leave The City to experience <real malls>.

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02003-05-25 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I was at Water Tower Place some time ago, and (seriously)
> > I saw much fewer "fat" people than I expected. The proportion of
> > teenagers was also lower than I thought it would be.
>
> Forget Water Tower.  It's not <real>.  It doesn't look or act like a
> regular mall.  You need to leave The City to experience <real malls>.

Circular definitions are totally passé, "Maynor". If you are going
to define real malls by referring to <poundage>, nobody's going to
take you seriously, for it is the very claim to be demonstrated.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I'm sure my dialectical leanings vary considerably from those
> of students at MSU.

I don't remember your revealing anything about your dialectics, but your
dialectal leanings are different from those of the majority of MSU
students, though there are plenty of New Englanders enrolled, including
some of your age group.  The majority of the survey participants were
not at MSU.  They were all from the South, however, since that was the
point.  Quite a few were from NC, which is getting borderline, and
Chapel Hill had a good bit of diversity in where the students were
from.  I took all of that into consideration, of course.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?
>
>         You betcha.

I thought you said you didn't do baklava.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Forget Water Tower.  It's not <real>.  It doesn't look or act like a
> > regular mall.  You need to leave The City to experience <real malls>.
>
> Circular definitions are totally passé, "Maynor". If you are going
> to define real malls by referring to <poundage>, nobody's going to
> take you seriously, for it is the very claim to be demonstrated.

You misunderstand.  There is nothing circular in what I'm saying.  I am
not defining real malls by <poundage>.  I'm defining them by lay-out,
types of stores, etc.  WT is different.

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02003-05-25 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Forget Water Tower.  It's not <real>.  It doesn't look or act like a
> > > regular mall.  You need to leave The City to experience <real malls>.
> >
> > Circular definitions are totally passé, "Maynor". If you are going
> > to define real malls by referring to <poundage>, nobody's going to
> > take you seriously, for it is the very claim to be demonstrated.
>
> You misunderstand.  There is nothing circular in what I'm saying.  I am
> not defining real malls by <poundage>.  I'm defining them by lay-out,
> types of stores, etc.  WT is different.

Ah, so you are saying that places with the true mall layout, and true
mall types of store, attract a large percentage of "fat" people?

Cite, please.

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I didn't realize Blogger kept blogs which haven't been touched for
a year. See the blog I secretly created as a revenge against Sam
Knight and Dave Whyte ... davewhyte.blogspot.com ... time to add
more doggerel

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Ah, so you are saying that places with the true mall layout, and true
> mall types of store, attract a large percentage of "fat" people?

Yes.

> Cite, please.

Maynor, Natalie.  "Boat Photos."
ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/may25

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
>space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely somebody would
>be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.

Ebay is pretty easy and fun -- you should try it with a few to check it
out: <http://cgi5.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?SellYourItem&category=2266>.

Here are a couple of pages that might help you assess your collection, to
see if you should save any from the trash heap (not with the idea of
getting rich, just getting them into the hands of someone who'd appreciate
them):

http://www.garlic.com/~tgracyk/tips.htm
http://www.recordcollectorsguild.org/blues_78.html
http://www.prex.com/question.html
http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/8/11/r11-402-e.html

Pete

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Welcome back.  We're into Greek food and whether "you guys" is sexist.
>(Apparently I'm the only one who thinks it is, which I find strange.)

I don't find "you guys" as a form of address any more sexist than "y'all."

>What was the name of that Greek restaurant where we ate in Memphis at
>SECOL?  And what did we eat?  I remember thinking it was excellent.  No
>baklava.  Or rather I didn't have any.  Probably it was offered.  (Btw,

Can't remember - I don't recall having any dessert. It is seldom needed
with Greek good, in my opinion.

Bethany

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Here are a couple of pages that might help you assess your collection, to
> see if you should save any from the trash heap (not with the idea of
> getting rich, just getting them into the hands of someone who'd appreciate
> them):

They're not going into the trash heap.  I feel sure that I can find
somebody who wants them.  I'd rather do it locally, though, since the
idea of mailing them is a big negative.  So is the idea of indexing
them.  I'd love to find somebody who would come look at them and take
them away, paying me whatever he/she thought they were worth, even if
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't find "you guys" as a form of address any more sexist than "y'all."

How could y'all possibly be considered sexist?

> Can't remember - I don't recall having any dessert. It is seldom needed
> with Greek good, in my opinion.

Rev up your brain and remember!  The name of the restaurant, I mean, not
the dessert matter.  All this talk about Greek food makes me want to go
back there.  I might just hop up to Memphis sometime soon to eat Greek
food.  I remember that it was way out one of those major streets --
Poplar, maybe.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rev up your brain and remember!  The name of the restaurant, I mean, not
> the dessert matter.  All this talk about Greek food makes me want to go
> back there.  I might just hop up to Memphis sometime soon to eat Greek
> food.  I remember that it was way out one of those major streets --
> Poplar, maybe.

Or maybe not way out.  Madison doesn't go way out.  Was it in Midtown?
I just googled for 'memphis restaurants greek' and am thinking this is
it:

Melo's Taverna - 2021 Madison Ave. Memphis, TN 38104 901-725-1863

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Ah, so you are saying that places with the true mall layout, and true
>> mall types of store, attract a large percentage of "fat" people?
>
>Yes.

I missed the post describing the <true mall layout>, whatever that
is. Based on the malls, I  know, I would think that the opposite would be
true, since one must walk miles to get to everything.

And the Music City Sheraton is NOT designed for sedentary individuals - I
walked miles to and from my room to an elevator.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
>space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely somebody would
>be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.

LPs? Got jazz?

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>I'd love to find somebody who would come look at them and take them away,
>paying me whatever he/she thought they were worth, even if that's zero.

I wish you good luck in finding him/her, then!

You could make a deal with a high school kid or three to Ebay them
(including taking digital photos, making the page, managing the
transaction, and doing the mailing), and offering to split the profits, if any?

Again, the idea is not to make money, but to get them to people who'd
cherish them, and have the kids learn all sorts of interesting stuff (and
hopefully get a good Ebay rating, too).

Pete

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02003-05-25 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> I missed the post describing the <true mall layout>, whatever that
> is. Based on the malls, I  know, I would think that the opposite
> would be true, since one must walk miles to get to everything.

Isn't there a car or something people come in? They obviously get
in and out of it a lot.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>What!!?  Rita's not tall?????  Next thing you'll be telling me she isn't
>>>cute either.
>>>
>>        I'm barely taller than Karen.  Less cute than Marie and Lisa.
>>
>
> One more evidence how much photos may lie!


        At least it's in my favor this time ;).




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?
>>>
>>        You betcha.
>>
>
> I thought you said you didn't do baklava.
>

        Nope.  But there are other things I do do.  And I can do
baklava upon request.  It's very simple.



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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>>I'm back. I had a great weekend - and I greatly appreciated the continued
>>cool weather. Today it was so cool that I had to shut all the vernt
>>windows to keep from getting really cold on the drive back from Nashville.
>>Of course the heavy rain all the way was part of that.
>>
>
> Welcome back.  We're into Greek food and whether "you guys" is sexist.
> (Apparently I'm the only one who thinks it is, which I find strange.)
> What was the name of that Greek restaurant where we ate in Memphis at
> SECOL?  And what did we eat?  I remember thinking it was excellent.  No
> baklava.  Or rather I didn't have any.  Probably it was offered.  (Btw,
> one reason I keep on talking about baklava is that it seems that it's
> something people give to people often.  I remember when my Romanian
> neighbor many years ago brought me some baklava that her illegal-alien
> mother had made using pecans from my trees.  Then in Hville I was
> constantly being faced with baklava since my mother's very kind neighbor
> was Greek and would make it or buy it regularly and bring some down.)


        The image of Natalie being chased by Evil Baklava is almost
as good as the image of Karen's horror of Giant Snowbanks.




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Natalie:

>I didn't make anything of it.  Was I supposed to?  I threw away all my
>research notes and stuff when moving out of my office last year, so I
>can't go back and check, but her theory is certainly not inconsistent
>with my findings.  I had only one group of elderly people in the survey
>I did in five Southern states -- since the survey was mainly about
>trends among younger speakers.  I'm pretty sure, though, that in that
>elderly group (average age something like ninety), not a single one said
>yes to "would you ever use you-guys?"  Among the college students a good
>many said yes, though y'all was their favored term.

Why are you labelling a regional period usage feminist, activist etc.?

-rashmi

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I don't find "you guys" as a form of address any more sexist than "y'all."
>
>How could y'all possibly be considered sexist?

It couldn't. That's my point!

Bethany

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> I missed the post describing the <true mall layout>, whatever that
>> is. Based on the malls, I  know, I would think that the opposite
>> would be true, since one must walk miles to get to everything.
>
>Isn't there a car or something people come in? They obviously get
>in and out of it a lot.

Not at malls I know. One arrives in a car, then parks, usually a long way
from an entrance, then walks a hell of a lot.

Bethany

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Why are you labelling a regional period usage feminist, activist etc.?

She's saying that 'gals' or 'girls' or any other feminine term would NOT
have taken over as all-gender in any context.

Ann

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Melo's Taverna - 2021 Madison Ave. Memphis, TN 38104 901-725-1863

I'm pretty sure that's it.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I missed the post describing the <true mall layout>, whatever that
> is.

The <true mall layout> is two stories, with each story covering a large
area.  Something like the Water Tower in Chicago goes up and up much
farther, is less spread out horizontally (typical for the heart of a big
city), and has <upscale> stores and decorations.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
> >space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely somebody would
> >be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.
>
> LPs? Got jazz?

Maybe a few jazz 33.3's.  Most aren't jazz.  I don't think any of the
78's are jazz.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >I'd love to find somebody who would come look at them and take them away,
> >paying me whatever he/she thought they were worth, even if that's zero.
>
> I wish you good luck in finding him/her, then!

I already know of one person (friend of a friend's parents) in
Hattiesburg, but I'd rather find somebody closer than that.  This person
supposedly has a huge collection of old records and puts them onto
cd's.  He's a retired dentist who does the record stuff as a hobby.

> You could make a deal with a high school kid or three to Ebay them
> (including taking digital photos, making the page, managing the
> transaction, and doing the mailing), and offering to split the profits, if any?

That sounds quite complicated.  How would I find a high school kid
interested in doing such a thing?  And would said kid know how to sell
on e-bay?  I don't know.  How do you collect the money, for example?
I've bought on e-bay a couple of times, but the sellers were regular
vendors and thus used things like paypal or visa.  (That reminds me -- I
got a message from paypal saying that my account would expire if I
didn't send them the expiration date of my new visa card.  I didn't
respond.  I just let it expire.  If I need to use paypal again, I can
activate it again.)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>>ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?
> >>>
> >>        You betcha.
> >>
> > I thought you said you didn't do baklava.
> >
>         Nope.  But there are other things I do do.  And I can do
> baklava upon request.  It's very simple.

Then I don't get the "you betcha" unless you are planning on doing
baklava on Rashmi's request.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Natalie:
>
> >I didn't make anything of it.  Was I supposed to?  I threw away all my
> >research notes and stuff when moving out of my office last year, so I
> >can't go back and check, but her theory is certainly not inconsistent
> >with my findings.  I had only one group of elderly people in the survey
> >I did in five Southern states -- since the survey was mainly about
> >trends among younger speakers.  I'm pretty sure, though, that in that
> >elderly group (average age something like ninety), not a single one said
> >yes to "would you ever use you-guys?"  Among the college students a good
> >many said yes, though y'all was their favored term.
>
> Why are you labelling a regional period usage feminist, activist etc.?

You've lost me.  What is the "regional period usage" that I'm labeling
feminist, activist, etc.?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Melo's Taverna - 2021 Madison Ave. Memphis, TN 38104 901-725-1863
>
> I'm pretty sure that's it.

Me too.  Everything about it rings bells for me -- the name, the
address, etc.

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>The <true mall layout> is two stories, with each story covering a large
>area.  Something like the Water Tower in Chicago goes up and up much
>farther, is less spread out horizontally (typical for the heart of a big
>city), and has <upscale> stores and decorations.

Wow! If that is true, then I have been in very few malls in my life - most
of the ones I have been in are single-story.

Bethany

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Maybe a few jazz 33.3's.  Most aren't jazz.  I don't think any of the
>78's are jazz.

So most are 78s?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Wow! If that is true, then I have been in very few malls in my life - most
> of the ones I have been in are single-story.

Really?  I find that surprising.  I can think of only one single-story
mall I've ever been in -- it's in Tupelo and covers an extremely large
chunk of land, much larger than most cities could give up.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Maybe a few jazz 33.3's.  Most aren't jazz.  I don't think any of the
> >78's are jazz.
>
> So most are 78s?

No, I'm guessing there are more 33.3's.  But there are quite a few
78's.  The 33.3's are ones I acquired through the years (biggest period
was probably late '60s and early '70s -- I couldn't afford many in the
'50s and early '60s).  The 78's are mainly ones that my parents
acquired, probably mainly '30s and '40s.  I do know I have at least one
Stan Getz and at least one Brubeck in my 33.3 collection.  Maybe some
more jazz.  Mine are probably dominated by folk or <folkish>.  I had the
complete Dylan collection, but Spencer ate a few of those.  I still have
a good many Dylan, quite a few Baez, Ian & Sylvia, Gordon Lightfoot,
etc. etc. etc.  I have some Moody Blues, some Melanie, some Nitty Gritty
Dirt Band, some Crosby, Stills, Nash, a few Beatles and Stones, some
Pete Fountain and Al Hirt, some Broadway musicals, some Tiajuana Brass,
some oldies, some classical of course, and a bunch of other stuff.  The
78's are mainly still in boxes, and I can't do a top-of-my-head thing
the way I can for some of the 33.3's.  The 78's include lots of
classical and <light classical>, some pop stuff of the '30s and '40s,
etc.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>
>>Wow! If that is true, then I have been in very few malls in my life - most
>>of the ones I have been in are single-story.
>>
>
> Really?  I find that surprising.  I can think of only one single-story
> mall I've ever been in -- it's in Tupelo and covers an extremely large
> chunk of land, much larger than most cities could give up.


        I've been in lots of single-story malls.  The dept. stores
are usually two floors, but the mall itself is just one.  I
don't know what the new one out in the Missouri bottoms is
going to be like.




--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>>>ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       You betcha.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I thought you said you didn't do baklava.
>>>
>>>
>>        Nope.  But there are other things I do do.  And I can do
>>baklava upon request.  It's very simple.
>>
>
> Then I don't get the "you betcha" unless you are planning on doing
> baklava on Rashmi's request.


        She said "goodies" -- I do lots of goodies.

        And, since she asked nicely, if I get a chance, I will
absolutely do a pan of baklava for her and LaTina and anyone
else who would like some.




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In Durham this coming weekend (DSNA), I plan to have at least one meal at:

Taverna Nikos
905 W. Main St., Brightleaf Sq. 682-0043
Greek restaurant. Hallmark is fresh produce and varied menu including
dishes not usually found on other Greek menus.

Bethany

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Wow! If that is true, then I have been in very few malls in my life - most
>> of the ones I have been in are single-story.
>
>Really?  I find that surprising.  I can think of only one single-story
>mall I've ever been in -- it's in Tupelo and covers an extremely large
>chunk of land, much larger than most cities could give up.

You were never in West Town Mall? Very recently it added a cinema, and
that is in a tower, but otherwise the mall - the first in Knoxville -
has no second story.

Bethany

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In spite of that horrific game last night, we managed to land a regional
here.  That's good for Starkville's economy.  I remember the year when
people were upset by the fact that we couldn't host one, even though we
were asked to, because of that stupid golf tournament in West Point that
had all the logdings in the vicinity booked -- the women's big golf
tournament.  Anyway, I just checked and found that we're hosting this
year even though our team has been sucky.  It helps that the <powers>
know that the baseball facilities here are excellent and that we're
record-setters in attendance.  And the tv people like to come here
because some of the Left-Field Lounge crowd shares food with them.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> You were never in West Town Mall? Very recently it added a cinema, and
> that is in a tower, but otherwise the mall - the first in Knoxville -
> has no second story.

I probably was, but I have no clear memory of it.  I didn't do much
shopping in my two years in Knoxville because there was little money to
shop with.  I preferred spending it at places like the L&N.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I've been in lots of single-story malls.  The dept. stores
> are usually two floors, but the mall itself is just one.

So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>>>>ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?
> >>>>       You betcha.
> >>>I thought you said you didn't do baklava.
>> >>        Nope.  But there are other things I do do.  And I can do
> >>baklava upon request.  It's very simple.
> > Then I don't get the "you betcha" unless you are planning on doing
> > baklava on Rashmi's request.
>
>         She said "goodies" -- I do lots of goodies.

That's why I was asking.  I said nothing about disliking other goodies.
>
>         And, since she asked nicely, if I get a chance, I will
> absolutely do a pan of baklava for her and LaTina and anyone
> else who would like some.

Maybe I'll bring some Mississippi muscadine wine to Acadiafest and not
let you have any!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
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>
>>        I've been in lots of single-story malls.  The dept. stores
>>are usually two floors, but the mall itself is just one.
>>
>
> So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
> the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.

        Oh well.  It's the standard layout of malls built in the 60's
and 70's.  You must just visit the ritzy newer malls.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>>>>>ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>      You betcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I thought you said you didn't do baklava.
>>>>>       Nope.  But there are other things I do do.  And I can do
>>>>>
>>>>baklava upon request.  It's very simple.
>>>>
>>>Then I don't get the "you betcha" unless you are planning on doing
>>>baklava on Rashmi's request.
>>>
>>        She said "goodies" -- I do lots of goodies.
>>
>
> That's why I was asking.  I said nothing about disliking other goodies.
>
>>        And, since she asked nicely, if I get a chance, I will
>>absolutely do a pan of baklava for her and LaTina and anyone
>>else who would like some.
>>
>
> Maybe I'll bring some Mississippi muscadine wine to Acadiafest and not
> let you have any!


        Suit yourself.



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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
> > the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.
>
>         Oh well.  It's the standard layout of malls built in the 60's
> and 70's.  You must just visit the ritzy newer malls.

When my parents still lived in Jackson, I visited NorthPark Mall there
fairly often.  And later I visited Madison Square Mall in Huntsville
fairly often.  Those are my main mall experiences, although I've been in
malls in other places also.  (There are no malls in Starkville, of
course, though there's a rumor that we might get one in the next couple
of years.  There's also a rumor that we might get a Lowe's, although the
Lowe's person I asked about it while he was slicing my blinds last week
said that he hadn't heard that rumor but that he had heard that
Starkville might get a Home Depot.  Either of those would be exciting
news.)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Maybe I'll bring some Mississippi muscadine wine to Acadiafest and not
> > let you have any!
>
>         Suit yourself.

I think you will be thanking the gopods if you're excluded from the
muscadine wine tasting.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Maybe I'll bring some Mississippi muscadine wine to Acadiafest and not
>>>let you have any!
>>>
>>        Suit yourself.
>>
>
> I think you will be thanking the gopods if you're excluded from the
> muscadine wine tasting.


        Is it that horrible?




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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I think you will be thanking the gopods if you're excluded from the
> > muscadine wine tasting.
>
>         Is it that horrible?

Actually, I've tasted some only once or twice.  It's safe to say,
however, that it is not a wine one would seek out.

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> You were never in West Town Mall? Very recently it added a cinema, and
>> that is in a tower, but otherwise the mall - the first in Knoxville -
>> has no second story.
>
>I probably was, but I have no clear memory of it.  I didn't do much
>shopping in my two years in Knoxville because there was little money to
>shop with.  I preferred spending it at places like the L&N.

I don't think of malling as being synonynous with spending money. I
have often walked at West Town Mall for exercise.

Bethany

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5/25/2003, 1:24 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> You are not allowed to use y'all?

KK> It's not available to me as a choice.

        Why not?  I use it regularly.

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5/25/2003, 4:30 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:


NM> Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
NM> space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely somebody
NM> would be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.

       I'm sure things are different there, but our public library
       gladly takes records, cassettes, CDs, tapes, etc,etc for their
       "book sale".
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't think of malling as being synonynous with spending money. I
> have often walked at West Town Mall for exercise.

In my years in Knoxville I ran or cycled on Cherokee Blvd plus in
various other places.  I got lots of exercise back then and would've
scorned walking as being exercise, except maybe for quick walks up and
down Mt. LeConte on a Sunday afternoon.

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Dan Lester wrote:

>        I'm sure things are different there, but our public library
>        gladly takes records, cassettes, CDs, tapes, etc,etc for their
>        "book sale".

Hmm.  I've never seen any records at the book sales, but I should
inquire.  Maybe it's just because nobody has ever taken any there.  I'm
a member of Friends of the Library, but all that has meant for me so far
is sending dues.  When I become really retired, I hope to do more --
like help at the book sales.

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>In my years in Knoxville I ran or cycled on Cherokee Blvd plus in
>various other places.  I got lots of exercise back then and would've
>scorned walking as being exercise, except maybe for quick walks up and
>down Mt. LeConte on a Sunday afternoon.

Posting fit, are we?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >In my years in Knoxville I ran or cycled on Cherokee Blvd plus in
> >various other places.  I got lots of exercise back then and would've
> >scorned walking as being exercise, except maybe for quick walks up and
> >down Mt. LeConte on a Sunday afternoon.
>
> Posting fit, are we?

No, there was no e-mail -- no posting -- back then.  I was indeed quite
fit during the time I lived in Kville.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> fit during the time I lived in Kville.

I'm waxing nostalgic for Cherokee Blvd right now.  I remember that the
indian mound was something like one mile or maybe a half mile and that
the sunken concrete thing was something like two miles or maybe a mile.
Can't believe I can't remember those details anymore.  I routinely ran
the whole roundtrip length -- from the car parked at the dead-end of
Cherokee Blvd up to Kingston Pike and then back.  I remember how
upsetting it was that I pulled a tendon or something that last summer
and couldn't run for ages.  So I cycled instead, but it didn't feel as
good.  (I was into cycling pre-Kville but didn't do as much of it
there.  I did find that running transferred, though -- as in I had no
problem doing the Century Run -- the annual 100-mile bike ride -- even
though I hadn't been cycling much.  The route was over to Townsend and
the entry to the national park and then back.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  -- from the car parked at the dead-end of
> Cherokee Blvd up to Kingston Pike and then back.

It wasn't really a dead-end, was it?  I'm suddenly remembering that
there was a snaky little street up from that place that I'm thinking of
as the dead-end -- where the river route ended.  I need to return to
Kville and check these things out.

But now it's time to go to bed.

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 8:11:06 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
> the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.

Have you ever been to a mall?! This is quite normal.

Karen

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On Sunday, May 25, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>> > I think you will be thanking the gopods if you're excluded from the
>> > muscadine wine tasting.
>>
>>         Is it that horrible?

> Actually, I've tasted some only once or twice.  It's safe to say,
> however, that it is not a wine one would seek out.

Why would you bring any, then?

Karen

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Sunday, May 25, 2003, 8:41:28 PM, Dan Lester wrote:

> 5/25/2003, 1:24 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> You are not allowed to use y'all?

KK>> It's not available to me as a choice.

>         Why not?  I use it regularly.

I guess because I'm not you, Dan. I can't write it, but I can't say
it.

Karen

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At 04:41 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > California just beat Arizona in 12 innings.  They have to play them again
> > today.
>
>YaY!

And they won again!

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> >        Less cute than Marie and Lisa.

> One more evidence how much photos may lie!

Thank you Kristen, I love you very much.

Okay, while I'm here...food post!  Everything was great. My mint had turned brown, but I salvaged enough good leaves, and everything was delicious, from the watermelon cocktails, through the blueberry pie. I done good.

Marie

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I'm thinking fresh watermelon and vodka.

> Mmm.. had this in Florida. Ended up stagging down the street in search
> of something to eat in an attempt to sober up. Good pick...

Oh, it was definitely a good idea...I pureed the watermelon in the blender just as our guests were arriving in the driveway. They were perfect -- a taste of summer on a very unsummery Memorial Day weekend. That's it -- watermelon and vodka  (and ice) -- so pure, so perfect. If only you knew how many times I had to backspace to correct my spelling errors....

Marie

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10:25 25.05.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>> tried taramasalata for the first time .... and enjoyed it.
>
>Oh yum! I crave that all the time. I think my body needs fish roe.

And taramosalata and tzatziki together is delicious. The best taramosalata I ever had was in Pylos (or Navarino).

Espen

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > >        Less cute than Marie and Lisa.
>
> > One more evidence how much photos may lie!
>
> Thank you Kristen, I love you very much.

Eerm... :-|      8-(      8-)   I hope, or maybe, again, I shouldn't hope, that you read my messyfussyembarrassment explanation after I had taken down the sentence quoted here. No-o, no-o, you are not less cute than Rita,
and Lisa is not less cute than Rita... and nobody is not no less cute than nobody else!!! (Aamf, I am far from being sure what the last clause of mine might mean.)

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
> > the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.
>
> Have you ever been to a mall?! This is quite normal.

I've never been architecturally observant.  I know what insides are
like, like whether the stores in a mall are on one story or two or are
tower-like (like in big cities).  But I don't pay attention to
outsides.  I had been inhabiting offices in Lee Hall for over
twenty-five years, occasionally wondering why the stairs at the ends of
the halls stopped on the third floor, meaning that you had to go to the
middle stairs to go to the fourth floor, when suddenly one day as I was
walking across campus toward the building and realized why.  The fourth
floor is in the middle only -- the roof is one floor lower on the two
ends:

http://www.msstate.edu/dept/english/lee.jpg


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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Actually, I've tasted some only once or twice.  It's safe to say,
> > however, that it is not a wine one would seek out.
>
> Why would you bring any, then?

<sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
won't give you any of my cake."

Actually, now that we're having this conversation about it, maybe it
would be fun to bring some.  We could have a taste test to determine how
horrible it really is.  The wine made on campus is better than the
commercial wine in stores, but the campus wine can't be sold -- it's
served in receptions in the enology lab.  Even it isn't great, though.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Okay, while I'm here...food post!  Everything was great. My mint had turned brown, but I salvaged enough good leaves, and everything was delicious, from the watermelon cocktails, through the blueberry pie. I done good.

I thought about you sometime around 8:00 or so here, thinking that your
dinner was probably in full swing.  Congratulations on a successful
event.

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I just googled to see whether I could find any interesting information
about Mississippi wine, and I stumbled upon this story from '98 on
blueberry wine.  I wonder whether it was successful.  I also hope the
writer of this article was fired a long time ago.  I'm guessing yes.
And why didn't somebody with sense edit it?  When I saw "researches" for
"researchers," I was forgiving.  Leaving out a letter can happen even in
the best of publications.  But "to sale it" for "to sell it"?  I trust
Marcela is no longer writing for this office.

I didn't realize that much was still going on re wine at MSU.  The
enology program was considered quite good a long time ago, but it
withered greatly when Dr. Vine, its leader, left.

http://msucares.com/news/print/agnews/an98/980629js.htm

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************
In a study at Mississippi State University in which rats were
fed diets containing three levels of powdered muscadine
pomace puree, Ector found that those eating the muscadine
showed significantly lower LDL cholesterol levels and higher
HDL (good) levels than a control group.
************
from: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/nov97/musc1197.htm

I know Betty Ector.  She's retired now, but she and her husband
occasionally join us at lunch.  And I walked near them at the peace
march a few months ago.  She's the person I told about a while back who
had a baby on a Delta flight in the '50s.

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On Sun, 25 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>  -- from the car parked at the dead-end of
>> Cherokee Blvd up to Kingston Pike and then back.
>
>It wasn't really a dead-end, was it?  I'm suddenly remembering that
>there was a snaky little street up from that place that I'm thinking of
>as the dead-end -- where the river route ended.  I need to return to
>Kville and check these things out.

There is no dead-end. Never has been. I often drive Chreokee up to Lyons
Bend or KP via that short, winding street. I'll do it more often after I
move to my condo. It's a short-cut to LB, KP, Kroger's, etc. And I'll
drive to PF that way.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor:
= Karen Kay wrote:
= > > So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
= > > the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.
= >
= > Have you ever been to a mall?! This is quite normal.
=
= I've never been architecturally observant.  I know what insides are
= like, like whether the stores in a mall are on one story or two or are
= tower-like (like in big cities).  But I don't pay attention to
= outsides.  I had been inhabiting offices in Lee Hall for over
= twenty-five years, occasionally wondering why the stairs at the ends of
= the halls stopped on the third floor, meaning that you had to go to the
= middle stairs to go to the fourth floor, when suddenly one day as I was
= walking across campus toward the building and realized why.  The fourth
= floor is in the middle only -- the roof is one floor lower on the two
= ends:
=
= http://www.msstate.edu/dept/english/lee.jpg

This is so unlike me.  Probably the first or second time I walked
up the stairs I would have known why they didn't go up to the
fourth floor.  I can't imagine wondering about it more than once,
let alone off and on for twenty-five years!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >It wasn't really a dead-end, was it?  I'm suddenly remembering that
> >there was a snaky little street up from that place that I'm thinking of
> >as the dead-end -- where the river route ended.  I need to return to
> >Kville and check these things out.
>
> There is no dead-end. Never has been. I often drive Chreokee up to Lyons
> Bend or KP via that short, winding street.

So you do know where I'm talking about, right, and that it sort of
<feels like> the end of the street?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 6:48:55 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> <sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
> two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
> won't give you any of my cake."

I think only one of you was being a six year old, and it wasn't Rita.

Karen

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> > There is no dead-end. Never has been. I often drive Chreokee up to Lyons
> > Bend or KP via that short, winding street.
>
>So you do know where I'm talking about, right, and that it sort of
><feels like> the end of the street?
>  -- Natalie

I know what you are talking about.  It is at the non dead-end that the Head
of the Tennessee rowing regatta is staged most years.  That is also the
finish line of the three mile race.  The faculty club is the start line.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > <sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
> > two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
> > won't give you any of my cake."
>
> I think only one of you was being a six year old, and it wasn't Rita.

??  You really are a literalist, aren't you.  I assumed that the whole
exchange, from Rashmi's asking for my portion of Rita's goodies to
Rita's saying sure to my saying that in that case Rita couldn't have any
of my muscadine wine was a joke.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

> >So you do know where I'm talking about, right, and that it sort of
> ><feels like> the end of the street?
> >  -- Natalie

> I know what you are talking about.  It is at the non dead-end that the Head
> of the Tennessee rowing regatta is staged most years.  That is also the
> finish line of the three mile race.  The faculty club is the start line.

Oh good.  I have fond memories of that spot, along with the whole
stretch.  I remember riding my bicycle to Cherokee Blvd one pretty
Sunday afternoon and sitting beside the river reading _Fear of Flying_.
Weird how some memories are stored, like the fact that I remember what I
was reading that day.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 8:45:07 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > <sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
>> > two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
>> > won't give you any of my cake."
>>
>> I think only one of you was being a six year old, and it wasn't Rita.

> ??  You really are a literalist, aren't you.  I assumed that the whole
> exchange, from Rashmi's asking for my portion of Rita's goodies to
> Rita's saying sure to my saying that in that case Rita couldn't have any
> of my muscadine wine was a joke.

I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

Karen

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> There is no dead-end. Never has been. I often drive Chreokee up to Lyons
>> Bend or KP via that short, winding street.
>
>So you do know where I'm talking about, right, and that it sort of
><feels like> the end of the street?

Not really. There is a hill there, and the boulevard ends, but nothing
else ends. There are stop signs - clearly, something continues. In fact,
there is also a side street at right angles to the street that goes
up the hill - I don't recall its name. I'll check later.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>><sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
>>>two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
>>>won't give you any of my cake."
>>>
>>I think only one of you was being a six year old, and it wasn't Rita.
>>
>
> ??  You really are a literalist, aren't you.  I assumed that the whole
> exchange, from Rashmi's asking for my portion of Rita's goodies to
> Rita's saying sure to my saying that in that case Rita couldn't have any
> of my muscadine wine was a joke.



        All right.  Both of you.  Out!


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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From: Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE>
> > Thank you Kristen, I love you very much.
>
> Eerm... :-|      8-(      8-)   I hope, or maybe, again, I
> shouldn't hope, that you read my messyfussyembarrassment
> explanation after I had taken down the sentence quoted here.

It was just the watermelon-vodka messing with you. I'm suffering a littletiny hangover now, actually. And it's POURING rain. I hope Rasmi has to do rather than sit around and think bleak thoughts.

... and nobody is not no less
> cute than nobody else!!!

:-)
QOTD

Marie

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Rita:
>         No. St. Nicholas fests Labor Day weekend; Assumption does
> Memorial Day weekend.  It is what passes for détente around
> here.

Ah.  Well, I guess the path to
ecumenism is best taken with
small steps.

--
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At 09:01 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>><sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
>>>>two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
>>>>won't give you any of my cake."
>>>I think only one of you was being a six year old, and it wasn't Rita.
>>
>>??  You really are a literalist, aren't you.  I assumed that the whole
>>exchange, from Rashmi's asking for my portion of Rita's goodies to
>>Rita's saying sure to my saying that in that case Rita couldn't have any
>>of my muscadine wine was a joke.
>
>
>
>        All right.  Both of you.  Out!

Aren't they too cute?  LOL

B

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Monday, May 26, 2003, 8:45:07 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > <sigh>.  I wouldn't.  That was a joke -- a response to Rita like we were
> >> > two six-year-olds -- like "if you won't give me any of your cookies, I
> >> > won't give you any of my cake."
> >>
> >> I think only one of you was being a six year old, and it wasn't Rita.
>
> > ??  You really are a literalist, aren't you.  I assumed that the whole
> > exchange, from Rashmi's asking for my portion of Rita's goodies to
> > Rita's saying sure to my saying that in that case Rita couldn't have any
> > of my muscadine wine was a joke.
                        '
> I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

Offensive????????????  How was I offensive?  Who did I offend?  I
seriously assumed we were joking with the "you can't have any" thread.
I had no intention (at that time) of taking muscadine wine to
Acadiafest.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >So you do know where I'm talking about, right, and that it sort of
> ><feels like> the end of the street?
>
> Not really. There is a hill there, and the boulevard ends, but nothing

I would feel mutant if Bonniemae hadn't said that she understood.

> else ends. There are stop signs - clearly, something continues. In fact,
> there is also a side street at right angles to the street that goes
> up the hill - I don't recall its name. I'll check later.

I remember the side street.  And I remember now that I sometimes arrived
at that point by coming down the little, winding street.  Can't remember
the geography of why -- like how I happened to be approaching from that
direction.

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Betty wrote:

> >>??  You really are a literalist, aren't you.  I assumed that the whole
> >>exchange, from Rashmi's asking for my portion of Rita's goodies to
> >>Rita's saying sure to my saying that in that case Rita couldn't have any
> >>of my muscadine wine was a joke.
> >
> >        All right.  Both of you.  Out!
>
> Aren't they too cute?  LOL

I am totally fascinated by how literally Karen apparently took this
exchange.  Did anybody else?  Do I need to start throwing in smileys or
writing explanatory footnotes?

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Natalie:
>Did anybody else?

I don't understand your problem
with muscadine wine.  You must
have inferior muscadines by you.

I assume you've had muscadines
in non-wine forms, and this is
not just anti-muscadinism.

--
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human powered vehicle wrote:

> I don't understand your problem
> with muscadine wine.  You must
> have inferior muscadines by you.
>
> I assume you've had muscadines
> in non-wine forms, and this is
> not just anti-muscadinism.

I don't really have strong feelings about muscadines in general.  Re the
wine, I'm not at all a wine expert and can't describe it in <proper>
terms.  It's too sweet and sort of <thick-tasting> for me.  My feeling
is that I'm not alone in not liking it.  I don't see the Mississippi
wines being grabbed up quickly in liquor stores, and I can't remember
ever having been served any in anybody's house.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Musca Don Juan:
>It's too sweet and sort of <thick-tasting> for me.

Oh.  I thought that's what it's
supposed to be like.

I'm not a big fan of "dessert" wine,
but muscadine gets the job done when
the need arises.

*And* northerners may have today off,
but they can't grow muscadines!

Bwahahahahahahaha!

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

>Sure it is, when it's been 48 years since a woman qualified and some
>of the men protested her playing and say that she will bring down the
>level of play. They had 3 times the normal number of press people
>there today--that alone makes it news.

I thought the whole Annika event was a huge publicity stunt - publicity
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pundits and other yakkers who got a chance to show off their warm
fuzzy sides. I'm sick'n'tired of these feel-good one-dimensional stories.
Bleah.

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At 10:28 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
>*And* northerners may have today off,
>but they can't grow muscadines!

I don't even know what a muscadine is.

Betty

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> But speaking of my junkroom, it's getting leaner by the minute.  I've
> just filled up several more boxes of books to take to the public library
> -- took a couple of hundred (books, not boxes -- just four or five
> boxes) there Friday.  Will take these tomorrow if they're open, Tuesday
> if they're not open tomorrow.  I'm being ruthless in my book-dumping.  I
> have a feeling that some of them I'm giving to the library would be
> valuable if I tried to sell them on e-bay -- lots of late 1800s and
> early 1900s books, some battered, others in pretty good condition.
>
> Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
> space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely somebody
> would be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Wonderful, Natalie. I'm still emptying mine out of nonessentials. I'm
working on books and I've found homes for some of my extra appliances. I'm
breathing easier, already. Your records would do well in the Bay Area, I
think. I love old records and have a few...I only recently acquired a
turntable (from a friend who moved away). I did toss out all my tape
cassettes...I never play them. Rather than sort threw them...I placed in
them bags and got rid of all of them.

Sandra

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02003-05-26 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >Sure it is, when it's been 48 years since a woman qualified and some
> >of the men protested her playing and say that she will bring down the
> >level of play. They had 3 times the normal number of press people
> >there today--that alone makes it news.
>
> I thought the whole Annika event was a huge publicity stunt - publicity
> for the tournament, for her, for all the enlightened male golfers, teevee
> pundits and other yakkers who got a chance to show off their warm
> fuzzy sides. I'm sick'n'tired of these feel-good one-dimensional stories.
> Bleah.

I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

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02003-05-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:28 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
> >*And* northerners may have today off,
> >but they can't grow muscadines!
>
> I don't even know what a muscadine is.

Wow.

I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

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02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 04:41 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> California just beat Arizona in 12 innings.  They have to play them again
> >> today.
> >
> >YaY!
>
> And they won again!

Mmmmm, doughnuts ...

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> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > I'm back. I had a great weekend - and I greatly appreciated the
> continued
> > cool weather. Today it was so cool that I had to shut all the vernt
> > windows to keep from getting really cold on the drive back from
> Nashville.
> > Of course the heavy rain all the way was part of that.
>
> Welcome back.  We're into Greek food and whether "you guys" is sexist.
> (Apparently I'm the only one who thinks it is, which I find strange.)
> What was the name of that Greek restaurant where we ate in Memphis at
> SECOL?  And what did we eat?  I remember thinking it was excellent.  No
> baklava.  Or rather I didn't have any.  Probably it was offered.  (Btw,
> one reason I keep on talking about baklava is that it seems that it's
> something people give to people often.  I remember when my Romanian
> neighbor many years ago brought me some baklava that her illegal-alien
> mother had made using pecans from my trees.  Then in Hville I was
> constantly being faced with baklava since my mother's very kind neighbor
> was Greek and would make it or buy it regularly and bring some down.)
>
  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

AT the Greek Fest I purchased something called Mestiq (sp?). Some of the
women recall chewing it as gum when they were kids. But a good friend, often
gets a box of it (small pebble sized crystals) and like so many more
traditional greek (she's irish but very continental) she grinds it up and
adds it for flavor to her baklava. I've never had baklava as good as any as
she makes. It's sinful.

Sandra

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> Natalie Maynor writes,
>
> >Now if I can just get rid of my old records, I'll have lots more storage
> >space.  I wish the public library had record sales.  Surely
> somebody would
> >be interested in records dating back to the '30s or earlier.
>
> Ebay is pretty easy and fun -- you should try it with a few to check it
> out: <http://cgi5.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?SellYourItem&category=2266>.
>
> Here are a couple of pages that might help you assess your collection, to
> see if you should save any from the trash heap (not with the idea of
> getting rich, just getting them into the hands of someone who'd appreciate
> them):
>
> http://www.garlic.com/~tgracyk/tips.htm
> http://www.recordcollectorsguild.org/blues_78.html
> http://www.prex.com/question.html
> http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/8/11/r11-402-e.html
>
> Pete

I'm eternally grateful for Karen solving my mystery fruit issue
(loquats!!!)...but Pete gets my vote as the most helpful Wordsler.

Sandra

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> At 03:12 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I'll try to bring some Greek to the 'Fest for you guys.  No
>> promises, though, 'cuz I'm more or less at the mercy of my
>> family while I'm there.  I cook better Greek than my mom,
>> though, so she may let me trash her kitchen for some.
>
>
> ooh, can I get Natalie's share of the goodies?

Only if you're willing to be, "one of the guys".

lisa

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At 10:40 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 10:28 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
> > >*And* northerners may have today off,
> > >but they can't grow muscadines!
> >
> > I don't even know what a muscadine is.
>
>Wow.
>
>I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

What a lame post.

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At 03:32 PM 5/26/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Sure it is, when it's been 48 years since a woman qualified and some
>>of the men protested her playing and say that she will bring down the
>>level of play. They had 3 times the normal number of press people
>>there today--that alone makes it news.
>
>I thought the whole Annika event was a huge publicity stunt - publicity
>for the tournament, for her, for all the enlightened male golfers, teevee
>pundits and other yakkers who got a chance to show off their warm
>fuzzy sides. I'm sick'n'tired of these feel-good one-dimensional stories.
>Bleah.

Yeah, bring on stories of mass destruction.

Of course it was a huge publicity stunt but I thought Annika handled it
with class.  My favorite photo was  a guy at the event wearing a chicken
hat with Singh's name on it.

Betty

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At 10:41 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 04:41 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> California just beat Arizona in 12 innings.  They have to play them
> again
> > >> today.
> > >
> > >YaY!
> >
> > And they won again!
>
>Mmmmm, doughnuts ...

Texas got eliminated.  It's UCLA and Cal.

Show your warm fuzzy side, "Samant", and root for my team on ESPN today.

Betty

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Marie:

>It was just the watermelon-vodka messing with you. I'm suffering a
>littletiny hangover now, actually. And it's POURING rain. I hope Rasmi has
>to do rather than sit around and think bleak thoughts.

I'm going out later this afternoon to check out the new baby horsies on my
friend's
farm. And we will drink margaritas no matter how stinky the weather.

>... and nobody is not no less
> > cute than nobody else!!!

>:-)
>QOTD

I love it!

-rashmi

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Betty:

>Of course it was a huge publicity stunt but I thought Annika handled it
>with class.  My favorite photo was  a guy at the event wearing a chicken
>hat with Singh's name on it.

Yawn. I'm still bored by the story.

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Hi Peter,

I've not heard much about it, but have encountered it a total of 4 times
now, 3 of which have been machine-fatal.  It seems that Windows XP and 2000
Pro are susceptible to boot failure following an unexpected shutdown...

I was wondering: have you run into this?

'Alan

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At 04:02 PM 5/26/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty:
>
>>Of course it was a huge publicity stunt but I thought Annika handled it
>>with class.  My favorite photo was  a guy at the event wearing a chicken
>>hat with Singh's name on it.
>
>Yawn. I'm still bored by the story.

I know.  They never know when to stop.

Betty

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Well, I got into the record collection with the bright idea of spreading
them out on the living room floor and taking pictures, since that would
be much easier than trying to catalogue.  Ha.  Records take up lots of
floor space.  I managed to get under 100 of the 33.3's on the floor
(just random grabbing) and did take a picture (of some of them):

http://www.maynor.net/recs.jpg

But there are still more than 200 of the 33.3's on the shelves in the
junkroom, and I haven't even looked at the 78's yet.

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> Musca Don Juan:
> >It's too sweet and sort of <thick-tasting> for me.
>
> Oh.  I thought that's what it's
> supposed to be like.

Probably that is what it's supposed to be like.

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sandra wrote:

> breathing easier, already. Your records would do well in the Bay Area, I

I went into a shop in Bay St. Louis with lots of people looking at old
records.  I should take them all down there.  Or stop in Hattiesburg and
give them to the friend of a friend's parents.  Hmm.  That's ambiguous.
It's not the parents who might want them.  It's the parents' friend.
But I'd rather get rid of them locally.  There's a small music museum on
campus, but I think it has mainly old musical instruments.  Maybe I
should inquire about possible interest in records.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > fuzzy sides. I'm sick'n'tired of these feel-good one-dimensional stories.
> > Bleah.
>
> I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

Indeed.

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Betty wrote:

> I don't even know what a muscadine is.

Same thing as a scuppernong.  Or at least the names seem to be used
pretty much interchangeably.  It may be that there's technically a
difference.

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 10:32:57 AM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I thought the whole Annika event was a huge publicity stunt - publicity
> for the tournament, for her, for all the enlightened male golfers, teevee
> pundits and other yakkers who got a chance to show off their warm
> fuzzy sides. I'm sick'n'tired of these feel-good one-dimensional stories.
> Bleah.

I thought it only became <news> when some people opposed her entering
the tournament.

Karen

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 11:00:01 AM, Betty wrote:
> My favorite photo was  a guy at the event wearing a chicken
> hat with Singh's name on it.

I didn't see this, but I love it!

Karen

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> I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.

I was wondering, did anyone else notice that Annika has a mustache?

-a

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 11:04:42 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
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> I've not heard much about it, but have encountered it a total of 4 times
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> Pro are susceptible to boot failure following an unexpected shutdown...

> I was wondering: have you run into this?

I'm not Pete, but I thought was always true.

Karen

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 11:35:36 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, May 26, 2003, 11:04:42 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
>> Hi Peter,

>> I've not heard much about it, but have encountered it a total of 4 times
>> now, 3 of which have been machine-fatal.  It seems that Windows XP and 2000
>> Pro are susceptible to boot failure following an unexpected shutdown...

>> I was wondering: have you run into this?

> I'm not Pete, but I thought was always true.

I should say, with any version of Windows, including 3.1 or later.

Karen

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Alan Wild writes,

>I was wondering: have you run into this?

Nope, still running Win98 SE.

At home, Win98 is running under VMware on a Linux box, and since VMware
offered a special $99 price to upgrade from v3 to their new v4, I splurged
and upgraded this weekend.  The new version doesn't actually offer me too
much more functionality, but I want to keep the thing current because I use
it so centrally.

So as it happens, just last night I was thinking this would be a good
opportunity to upgrade from Win98 to 2000 or XP...

... and couldn't come up with a good reason to do it.

BTW, with VMware I've ended up with an OS routine I really like, and you
could do it on any Windows machine even without VMware.  Basically, I've
got a clean, minimal install of the OS and my key apps saved as one
partition.  Then I've got another partition to store all my data (for me,
it happens to be a network drive hosted on the Linux box, but it could be
local, too), including Eudora directory and folders, documents, bookmarks,
archived web pages, etc.

Then I've got the active OS partition, to which I copy the clean install
partition whenever there's too much junk installed or the OS starts to act
weird.  (Under VMware, it's actually a little different -- I have a
snapshot of the clean install, and can just revert to the snapshot.)  Since
it's easy to do, I do it often -- at least every couple of days, and
sometimes multiple times in one day if I'm trialing new programs.

Voila -- no more OS acting weird, and no worries about a crashed OS taking
all my data with it.

Pete

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7.0 earthquake in Japan. I'm glad I'm not there--I don't like
7-pointers and above.

Karen

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sandra writes,

>I'm eternally grateful for Karen solving my mystery fruit issue
>(loquats!!!)...but Pete gets my vote as the most helpful Wordsler.

::blush::

Makes me miss Alyce, a very helpful Wordsler.

Pete

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 11:40:26 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> So as it happens, just last night I was thinking this would be a good
> opportunity to upgrade from Win98 to 2000 or XP...

> ... and couldn't come up with a good reason to do it.

I'd go with XP.

> sometimes multiple times in one day if I'm trialing new programs.
                                             ^^^^^^^^
Since Alyce isn't here, I feel compelled to say on her behalf: this is
an abomination.

> Voila -- no more OS acting weird, and no worries about a crashed OS taking
> all my data with it.

How would the OS take all the data with it?  The only time I had that
happen was when the hard drive died.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Records take up lots of floor space.

Spines might be good enough, even if you have to take more pictures.

Pete

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>I remember the side street.  And I remember now that I sometimes arrived
>at that point by coming down the little, winding street.  Can't remember
>the geography of why -- like how I happened to be approaching from that
>direction.      -- Natalie

There was a way to connect to the little winding street that continues from
the dead-end of Cherokee Blvd by taking a more Westerly street from
Kingston Pike rather than entering Cherokee Blvd between the pillars.  If
you were coming from the West instead of from campus, you might have come
that way.

Isn't a bit scary fellow wordslers that I appear to have a mind similar to
Natalie's?


    --bonniev

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>I am totally fascinated by how literally Karen apparently took this
>exchange.  Did anybody else?  Do I need to start throwing in smileys or
>writing explanatory footnotes?      -- Natalie

The next time you feel like talking about flushing someone's hand-baked
goody down the toilet, don't even think that a smiley will save you.  I'll
be checking my toilet rim for remnants of cheesecake, apple pie, and creme
brulee.


    --bonniev

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At 12:53 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, bonniev wrote:
>>I remember the side street.  And I remember now that I sometimes arrived
>>at that point by coming down the little, winding street.  Can't remember
>>the geography of why -- like how I happened to be approaching from that
>>direction.      -- Natalie
>
>There was a way to connect to the little winding street that continues from
>the dead-end of Cherokee Blvd by taking a more Westerly street from
>Kingston Pike rather than entering Cherokee Blvd between the pillars.  If
>you were coming from the West instead of from campus, you might have come
>that way.
>
>Isn't a bit scary fellow wordslers that I appear to have a mind similar to
>Natalie's?

One must not jump to conclusions.

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Karen Kay writes,

>How would the OS take all the data with it?  The only time I had that
>happen was when the hard drive died.

I know a couple of people whose filesystems were corrupted beyond repair by
a bad crash.

Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaminski" <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> Alan Wild writes,
>
> >I was wondering: have you run into this?
>
> Nope, still running Win98 SE.
>
> At home, Win98 is running under VMware on a Linux box, and since VMware
> offered a special $99 price to upgrade from v3 to their new v4, I splurged
> and upgraded this weekend.  The new version doesn't actually offer me too
> much more functionality, but I want to keep the thing current because I
use
> it so centrally.
>
> So as it happens, just last night I was thinking this would be a good
> opportunity to upgrade from Win98 to 2000 or XP...

Here's what I'd gleaned from dealing with them... 2000Pro is attractive
because it isn't "copy-protected" through online registration (else shutdown
in something like 60 days)...

... but XP is much faster, especially at startup, more secure with a
built-in firewall (if you choose to use it), and it has enhanced multimedia
features.  Aside from that, they are still full of holes and require
multi-megabyte patches very often.





> ... and couldn't come up with a good reason to do it.
>
> BTW, with VMware I've ended up with an OS routine I really like, and you
> could do it on any Windows machine even without VMware.  Basically, I've
> got a clean, minimal install of the OS and my key apps saved as one
> partition.  Then I've got another partition to store all my data (for me,
> it happens to be a network drive hosted on the Linux box, but it could be
> local, too), including Eudora directory and folders, documents, bookmarks,
> archived web pages, etc.
>
> Then I've got the active OS partition, to which I copy the clean install
> partition whenever there's too much junk installed or the OS starts to act
> weird.  (Under VMware, it's actually a little different -- I have a
> snapshot of the clean install, and can just revert to the snapshot.)
Since
> it's easy to do, I do it often -- at least every couple of days, and
> sometimes multiple times in one day if I'm trialing new programs.
>
> Voila -- no more OS acting weird, and no worries about a crashed OS taking
> all my data with it.
>
> Pete


'Intertesting... ;-)  I have access to Ghost 6.x, but it's the enterprise
edition (P.I.T.A.).  'Will look into VMware...

Thanks, Peter!

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Here's the Microsoft take on the problem:

Check out:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310396





----- Original Message -----
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> Karen Kay writes,
>
> >How would the OS take all the data with it?  The only time I had that
> >happen was when the hard drive died.
>
> I know a couple of people whose filesystems were corrupted beyond repair
by
> a bad crash.
>
> Pete

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In a message dated 05/26/2003 12:12:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<<
I know a couple of people whose filesystems were corrupted beyond repair by
a bad crash.

>>

I'm hoping to get a CD-RW in the new computer so that I can copy
data files in case of a crash.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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5/25/2003, 5:34 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> them.  I'd love to find somebody who would come look at them and take
NM> them away, paying me whatever he/she thought they were worth, even if
NM> that's zero.

      Many used book dealers would do that, but I suppose there aren't
      any in Sville.  But maybe near enough?
--

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5/25/2003, 6:27 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> The <true mall layout> is two stories, with each story covering a large
NM> area.  Something like the Water Tower in Chicago goes up and up much
NM> farther, is less spread out horizontally (typical for the heart of a big
NM> city), and has <upscale> stores and decorations.

Nothing sacred about two stories.  Some are one.  Some are three or
four (think Galleria, for example).  But they still contain a wide
variety of stores with several "anchor stores", a food court
(typically), and cover a large area with acres of parking surrounding.

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5/25/2003, 9:11 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> So the second floors of the department stores are towers poking up over
>> the rest of the mall?  That seems weird to me.

KK> Have you ever been to a mall?! This is quite normal.

    Of course having a two story part and a one story part hardly
    gives me the vision of "towers poking up".  Damn short "towers".
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By boxing up some more books to get rid of, I was able to move
Britannica to a different set of shelves, enabling me to shelve all the
records.  (All of mine had been always shelved, plus some old 78's I got
from my parents years ago, but the boxes I recently brought back from
Hville to keep them from being thrown away by my RRB&SIL were still
boxed.)  I would still like to get rid of all these records someday, but
at least the shelving problem is under control now.  Speaking of getting
rid of things, I should probably get rid of Britannica now that the web
is my main resource for the kinds of things I used to look up in
Britannica.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Spines might be good enough, even if you have to take more pictures.

The spines wouldn't show the identification clearly enough.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:

> There was a way to connect to the little winding street that continues from
> the dead-end of Cherokee Blvd by taking a more Westerly street from
> Kingston Pike rather than entering Cherokee Blvd between the pillars.  If
> you were coming from the West instead of from campus, you might have come
> that way.

Yes, and I was almost always coming from the west, whether in car or on
bicycle.  I can't remember the cycling route from where I lived (which
was way out off of Oak Ridge Hwy) and there.  It was probably different
from the car route since Kingston Pike was not a good cycling street.

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02003-05-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:40 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-05-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 10:28 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
> >> >*And* northerners may have today off,
> >> >but they can't grow muscadines!
> >>
> >> I don't even know what a muscadine is.
> >
> >Wow.
> >
> >I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.
>
> What a lame post.

Oh, YaY!

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I am totally fascinated by how literally Karen apparently took this
> >exchange.  Did anybody else?  Do I need to start throwing in smileys or
> >writing explanatory footnotes?      -- Natalie
>
> The next time you feel like talking about flushing someone's hand-baked
> goody down the toilet, don't even think that a smiley will save you.  I'll
> be checking my toilet rim for remnants of cheesecake, apple pie, and creme
> brulee.

? That wasn't in the joking exchange I was talking about.  I wasn't
joking about not liking baklava.  I added that as a sort of p.s. when I
thought of baklava after having said that I love Greek food, which I do
with that one exception.

Have you never thrown away or given away something somebody gave you
that you didn't want?  I always gave a smiling thank-you to my mother's
neighbor who kept bringing us baklava while I was visiting there.  I
would never tell a giver that I didn't like something.  I don't see
anything wrong with telling Wordslers the story, though.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-26 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > I think you don't realize how deeply offensive you were.
>
> I was wondering, did anyone else notice that Annika has a mustache?

No but what's this charade about getting GUYS' phone numbers?

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Alan Wild wrote:

> ... but XP is much faster, especially at startup, more secure with a
> built-in firewall (if you choose to use it), and it has enhanced multimedia
> features.  Aside from that, they are still full of holes and require
> multi-megabyte patches very often.

Add me as a datum of contentment with XP.  So far, it has served me
well.

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02003-05-26 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:41 AM 5/26/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 04:41 PM 5/25/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >02003-05-25 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> >> California just beat Arizona in 12 innings.  They have to play
> >> >> them again today.
> >> >
> >> >YaY!
> >>
> >> And they won again!
> >
> >Mmmmm, doughnuts ...
>
> Texas got eliminated.  It's UCLA and Cal.
>
> Show your warm fuzzy side, "Samant", and root for my team on ESPN today.

Sorry, I get bored by these one-dimensional feel-good stories.

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Dan Lester wrote:

>       Many used book dealers would do that, but I suppose there aren't
>       any in Sville.  But maybe near enough?

I asked in a local used-stuff store and found that they don't like
fooling with records -- that they do it only when they buy out a whole
house full of stuff that happens to include records.  The only used-book
store in town is the public library, which sells fairly recent used
paperbacks all the time and which hosts the Friends of the Library book
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02003-05-26 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> Here's the Microsoft take on the problem:
>
> Check out:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310396

They didn't mention the follow-up to the resolution:

'Spell "hey" right.'

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Dan Lester wrote:

> Nothing sacred about two stories.  Some are one.  Some are three or
> four (think Galleria, for example).

I've been to Galleria only once and can't remember how many floors it
had.

>  and cover a large area with acres of parking surrounding.

That's why those places like Water Tower in Chicago <don't count>.

--
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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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or at least at 4:15 AM tomorrow morning. I expect to be able to read mail at the conference - the first time I met Natalie was when she was reading e-mail in a conference computer-lab in Santa Barbara. But I don't expect to read any new e-mail until Thursday.

Espen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   The only used-book
> store in town is the public library,

Plus, of course, the Salvation Army store and the Palmer's Children's
Home store.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-26 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> ? That wasn't in the joking exchange I was talking about.  I wasn't
> joking about not liking baklava.  I added that as a sort of p.s. when I
> thought of baklava after having said that I love Greek food, which I do
> with that one exception.
>
> Have you never thrown away or given away something somebody gave you
> that you didn't want?  I always gave a smiling thank-you to my mother's
> neighbor who kept bringing us baklava while I was visiting there.  I
> would never tell a giver that I didn't like something.  I don't see
> anything wrong with telling Wordslers the story, though.

The offense here is so deep I am speechless.

By the way, what a bunch of dead music and back numbers you have!
I'd run over it with a bulldozer at the local disco-sucks event...

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02003-05-26 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Plus, of course, the Salvation Army store and the Palmer's Children's
> Home store.

They throw away away half the things you bring them. Jerks!

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One can get to Cherokee Blvd from west by turning off Lyons View onto
Arrowhead, then turning onto Blows Ferry Rd, which becomes Cherokee Blvd.
when the street becomes a blvd. The other street coming in at the end of
the blvd. is the westward extension of Scenic, which splits a few blocks
south of KP (the straight-ish part, which looks as though it should be the
extension of Scenic, is Sequoyah - it intersects Cherokee further east).

Bethany

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Within the next hour or so I have two John Wayne choices...

Sands of Iwo Jima
Flying Leathernecks.

Which is a better flick?

Sandra

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> Within the next hour or so I have two John Wayne choices...
>
> Sands of Iwo Jima
> Flying Leathernecks.
>
> Which is a better flick?
>
> Sandra

As a PS to this....last night I watched the HBO special featuring Maggie
Smith in My House in Umbria. It was just lovely and she is my new fashion
role model. I hope I grow old to be just like her....sporting full on
makeup, long drapey kimonos and gilded caftans...and red, red nails. She's
so chic. I loved her in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie and she just gets
better with time.

Sandra

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>http://www.maynor.net/recs.jpg

Why in the world are you getting rid of them?

Bethany

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At 12:24 PM 5/26/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>Within the next hour or so I have two John Wayne choices...
>
>Sands of Iwo Jima
>Flying Leathernecks.
>
>Which is a better flick?

I think tht most would consider "Sands..." the better of the two.

cwv

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>Have you never thrown away or given away something somebody gave you
>that you didn't want?   -- Natalie

I've been known to open Christmas presents over the waste basket.


    --bonniev

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When I decide to cut back on the number of conferences I participate in
each year, a crucial factor will be whether there is dinner with live
music at least one night. On Saturday night, NAJIT sponsored an excellent
buffet dinner and live music - Nashville Salsa. I bought one of the
group's CDs, and I am listening to it now.

Bethany

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> No but what's this charade about getting GUYS' phone numbers?

Quit trying to own this topic, Samant!

-aht

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> I talked to Doris Friday night.  Gene's surgery went well. Gene is
> recovering so well that they are talking about sending him home on
> Tuesday.   Doris is in good spirits and two of her kids are with her.
> One daughter, who is a nurse, will be going back to Norfolk for a few
> days once Gene is released.
> --

That's great. Thanks for passing the news on.

clo

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SF just had an earthquake. I'm thinking it was a 3something. Not much. Maybe
more in store for us. I wonder where the epicenter was.

Sandra

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> At 12:24 PM 5/26/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> >Within the next hour or so I have two John Wayne choices...
> >
> >Sands of Iwo Jima
> >Flying Leathernecks.
> >
> >Which is a better flick?
>
> I think tht most would consider "Sands..." the better of the two.
>
> cwv

I tried Leathernecks and am very much enjoying Sands.

Sandra

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In a message dated 05/26/2003 4:17:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
SF just had an earthquake. I'm thinking it was a 3something. Not much. Maybe
more in store for us. I wonder where the epicenter was.


>>

First, Japan; then, Indonesia; now, SF.  Where next?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 4:15:04 PM, S Hess wrote:
> SF just had an earthquake. I'm thinking it was a 3something. Not much. Maybe
> more in store for us. I wonder where the epicenter was.

Uh-oh. I wonder if this is related to the 7-pointer in Tokyo. MAYBE
THE BIG ONE IS COMING!!!!

Karen
happy to have moved to Austin

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Is on Austin City Limits this week.
>
> Karen
>
Did you see Penny Jo Pullus when she was on? We heard it had been taped,
but didn't get to hear when it would/had aired.
She used to cut my hair...
clo

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Dude don't even think about bothering me tonight. GO SPURS GO.

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 4:13:36 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> Did you see Penny Jo Pullus when she was on? We heard it had been taped,
> but didn't get to hear when it would/had aired.

Nope. I don't watch it regularly, but I'll keep an eye out for her.

> She used to cut my hair...

Damn, you're OLD!:)

Karen

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On Sat, 24 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> I was waiting for him to launch into K-selection and r-selection.
>
Hey! I just learned about that reading a manuscript for a friend of mine.
clo

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'Whole lotta shakin' goin' on...


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> SF just had an earthquake. I'm thinking it was a 3something. Not much.
Maybe
> more in store for us. I wonder where the epicenter was.
>
> Sandra

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At 04:25 PM 5/26/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>Dude don't even think about bothering me tonight. GO SPURS GO.

I'm not a particular fan of pro basketball---most of it, I put more in the
realm of rock concerts than sport.  However, I am rooting for Robinson,
Duncan, and the others to win it all.  Robinson and Duncan very quietly go
about doing what they were hired for.  They don't drag-race other players
in souped-up Porsches; they don't get drunk and/or high and beat up on
their wives/girl friends/women they meet in a bar; they don't talk trash
and then blame something/somebody else if they lose.  They just play damned
good basketball.

cwv

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At 05:19 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Sat, 24 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >
> > I was waiting for him to launch into K-selection and r-selection.
> >
>Hey! I just learned about that reading a manuscript for a friend of mine.

You have very strange friends...  But then, you are subscribed to words-l,
aren't you?

cwv

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, S Hess wrote:

> SF just had an earthquake. I'm thinking it was a 3something. Not much. Maybe
> more in store for us. I wonder where the epicenter was.
>
> Sandra
>

Here's hoping you get no more.
clo

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> and then blame something/somebody else if they lose.  They just play
damned
> good basketball.

I don't know if you caught the game last night, but dang, what a defense.

-aht

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At 05:19 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Sat, 24 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >
> > I was waiting for him to launch into K-selection and r-selection.
> >
>Hey! I just learned about that reading a manuscript for a friend of mine.

Just out of curiosity, what field of biology is your friend writing in?

cwv

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 05:19 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> > >
> > > I was waiting for him to launch into K-selection and r-selection.
> > >
> >Hey! I just learned about that reading a manuscript for a friend of mine.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what field of biology is your friend writing in?
>
> cwv
>
He is a former biologist, spent some time in a rain forest field station
in central America, and has written a novel in that setting.
Two of the characters are constantly wrangling about r- and k- selection.

clo

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
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> You have very strange friends...  But then, you are subscribed to words-l,
> aren't you?
>
> cwv
>

And honey, he ain't the strangest by a long shot!
clo

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Monday, May 26, 2003, 4:13:36 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > Did you see Penny Jo Pullus when she was on? We heard it had been taped,
> > but didn't get to hear when it would/had aired.
>
> Nope. I don't watch it regularly, but I'll keep an eye out for her.
>
> > She used to cut my hair...
>
> Damn, you're OLD!:)
>

She hasn't been in Austin <that> long!
clo

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On Fri, 23 May 2003, Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Friday, May 23, 2003 6:42 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> wrote:
>
> > When is this trip?  I've forgotten.  I think it would be fun to bounce
> > onto the scene.
> >
>
> Aug. 15-18  Are you interested in a Wordsler tattoo?
>
> Terry
>

Will it look like  the W-L-W t shirt? Cause I gotta tell you I am totally
in love with that shirt.

clo

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 5:06:36 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> > She used to cut my hair...
>>
>> Damn, you're OLD!:)
>>

> She hasn't been in Austin <that> long!

Oops! Sorry for assuming...

Karen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
> or at least at 4:15 AM tomorrow morning. I expect to be able to read mail at the conference - the first time I met Natalie was when she was reading e-mail in a conference computer-lab in Santa Barbara. But I don't expect to read any new e-mail until Thursday.

I well remember that first meeting when I was crashing the computer
room.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> By the way, what a bunch of dead music and back numbers you have!
> I'd run over it with a bulldozer at the local disco-sucks event...

You haven't seen but a tiny, tiny fraction of it.  Much of it is much
deader and backer.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Plus, of course, the Salvation Army store and the Palmer's Children's
> > Home store.
>
> They throw away away half the things you bring them. Jerks!

That always bothers me.  It's ok if they throw away real garbage, and I
do take some things that I consider borderline but think somebody
somewhere *might* not consider garbage.  But it bothers me to think that
some things might get thrown away that aren't ready to be.  That
especially bothers me with books.  I think somebody ought to want almost
any book.  I do go on and throw away paperbacks that are being held
together by a rubber band, but I don't like the idea of throwing away
something like a 1900 edition of a classic just because a dog has eaten
off part of its cover.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Why in the world are you getting rid of them?

Because there's no reason for me to keep them.

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 5:47:18 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>> >Have you never thrown away or given away something somebody gave you
>> >that you didn't want?   -- Natalie
>>
>> I've been known to open Christmas presents over the waste basket.

> Don't tell Karen!  She will find your behavior six-year-oldish and quite
> offensive!

It depends on whether they were hand-made especially for you or not.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Have you never thrown away or given away something somebody gave you
> >that you didn't want?   -- Natalie
>
> I've been known to open Christmas presents over the waste basket.

Don't tell Karen!  She will find your behavior six-year-oldish and quite
offensive!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Ever since Carolyn and I had beef salad at Sunflower, I've been
having it every couple of weeks or so. This time, I have a salad with
red and green leaf lettuce, onions, green olives stuffed with sun
dried tomatoes, regular tomatoes, English cucumbers, and feta cheese.
With sliced beef. Ligniere's mother's vinaigrette. YUM!

Karen

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There are two creeps I'd love to thrash with a ball bat:  they
threw a 6 to 8-week old Golden Lab puppy out of their truck
and then ran over it, crushing its legs.  The puppy is now at
a local vet's office.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> First, Japan; then, Indonesia; now, SF.  Where next?

Hmm.  There was something in the Starkville Daily News just a week or so
ago about earthquake preparedness, prefaced by saying that we don't
usually worry much about them here since we're not exactly a
high-likelihood site for one but that it could happen.  (It already has
happened in the sense of earthquakes that are registerable on the
equipment on campus -- but just barely.  That's not the kind of effect
the newspaper story was talking about.)
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Uh-oh. I wonder if this is related to the 7-pointer in Tokyo. MAYBE
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HUH?  I haven't read any news since very early this morning.  Has
another earthquake hit Japan later today??  The one I read about was in
Miyagi Prefecture -- epicenter something like twenty miles off its
coast.  That's pretty far from Tokyo, although it was of course somewhat
feelable in Tokyo.

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 5:53:00 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Uh-oh. I wonder if this is related to the 7-pointer in Tokyo. MAYBE
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> HUH?  I haven't read any news since very early this morning.  Has
> another earthquake hit Japan later today??  The one I read about was in
> Miyagi Prefecture -- epicenter something like twenty miles off its
> coast.  That's pretty far from Tokyo, although it was of course somewhat
> feelable in Tokyo.

When I saw this on TV, they hadn't determined the epicenter yet, and
the footage was from Tokyo. That's all I know.

Karen

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02003-05-26 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > No but what's this charade about getting GUYS' phone numbers?
>
> Quit trying to own this topic, Samant!

I already ownz your azz, what's a topic to me?

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The following  is  from  the  United  States  Geological  Survey,
National  Earthquake  Information Center:  Preliminary hypocenter
for earthquake of 2003 May 26, NEAR THE  EAST  COAST  OF  HONSHU,
JAPAN,  about  90  km  (55  miles)  NE  of Sendai, Honshu, Japan:
latitude 38.9 degrees north, longitude 141.5 degrees east, origin
time  09  24 32.6 utc, depth 60 km, magnitude 6.9.  

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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02003-05-26 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> He is a former biologist, spent some time in a rain forest field station
> in central America, and has written a novel in that setting.
> Two of the characters are constantly wrangling about r- and k- selection.

I smell a bestseller!

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Will it look like  the W-L-W t shirt? Cause I gotta tell you I am totally
> in love with that shirt.

I almost never wear mine because I want to preserve it forever.

Meanwhile, I've been poking around various news sites and can't find
anything about an earthquake in Tokyo.  All I see is about the one
several hundred miles away (which did make buildings sway in Tokyo, but
that's nothing out of the ordinary -- buildings in Tokyo often sway from
earthquakelets -- I remember telling love,judith and Anne when they
arrived that they shouldn't be alarmed if the apartment started swaying
-- love,judith laughed and reminded me that she had grown up in
California).

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Why in the world are you getting rid of them?
>
>Because there's no reason for me to keep them.

What a non-answer! Do you intend to convey to us that you no longer enjoy
the music on the records? Or that you have been struck deaf? Or what?

Bethany

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> There are two creeps I'd love to thrash with a ball bat:  they
> threw a 6 to 8-week old Golden Lab puppy out of their truck
> and then ran over it, crushing its legs.  The puppy is now at
> a local vet's office.

They need more than a thrashing with a bat.  They will surely be
arrested, won't they?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> I've been known to open Christmas presents over the waste basket.
>
> > Don't tell Karen!  She will find your behavior six-year-oldish and quite
> > offensive!
>
> It depends on whether they were hand-made especially for you or not.

I would assume that most gifts, xmas or other, are at least chosen for
the recipient.  Not everything is hand-made, of course.  So you would
not throw away food that you found repulsive if you knew that the
maker/giver would never know you threw it away?  You would force
yourself to eat it out of fear of God's thinking you were offensive for
throwing it away?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> When I saw this on TV, they hadn't determined the epicenter yet, and
> the footage was from Tokyo. That's all I know.

What I read very early this morning said that the epicenter was
something like 15-20 miles off the coast of Miyagi Prefecture.  I'm
trying to think whether I've gotten e-mail today from friends in Tokyo.
I think not (though that's not unusual -- I don't get e-mail from Tokyo
every single day).  But I know I have (late this afternoon) from the
spouse of somebody in Tokyo, and she didn't seem to be worried about his
well-being.  She's in NC at the moment, visiting their daughter.  Maybe
they haven't stayed on top of the news.
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> The following  is  from  the  United  States  Geological  Survey,
> National  Earthquake  Information Center:  Preliminary hypocenter
> for earthquake of 2003 May 26, NEAR THE  EAST  COAST  OF  HONSHU,
> JAPAN,  about  90  km  (55  miles)  NE  of Sendai, Honshu, Japan:
> latitude 38.9 degrees north, longitude 141.5 degrees east, origin
> time  09  24 32.6 utc, depth 60 km, magnitude 6.9.

That's pretty far from Tokyo.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Why in the world are you getting rid of them?
> >
> >Because there's no reason for me to keep them.
>
> What a non-answer! Do you intend to convey to us that you no longer enjoy
> the music on the records? Or that you have been struck deaf? Or what?

I long ago conveyed that I have no turntable.

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Monday, May 26, 2003, 6:08:36 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> So you would
> not throw away food that you found repulsive if you knew that the
> maker/giver would never know you threw it away?

Get a clue. We all know that you would throw it away, Natalie. It's
not a secret any more.

As for me, I doubt that I would throw anything away without at least
making an effort to find out why this person thought this was worth
giving to me.

> You would force yourself to eat it out of fear of God's thinking you
> were offensive for throwing it away?

Here's another instance of your twisting people's statements. I said
nothing about God or fear of God. I do find it unethical and immoral
to treat a very special gift that way. Chacun a son gout.

Karen

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5/26/2003, 3:34 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> At 04:25 PM 5/26/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>>Dude don't even think about bothering me tonight. GO SPURS GO.

cwv> I'm not a particular fan of pro basketball---most of it, I put more in the
cwv> realm of rock concerts than sport.  However, I am rooting for Robinson,
cwv> Duncan, and the others to win it all.  Robinson and Duncan very quietly go
cwv> about doing what they were hired for.  They don't drag-race other players
cwv> in souped-up Porsches; they don't get drunk and/or high and beat up on
cwv> their wives/girl friends/women they meet in a bar; they don't talk trash
cwv> and then blame something/somebody else if they lose.  They just play damned
cwv> good basketball.

Same reasons I've been a Jazz fan forever.  Stockton, Malone, and crew
do the same kinds of things, even if they didn't make it as far this
year.  My second favorite team is Spurs.

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5/26/2003, 4:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> They throw away away half the things you bring them. Jerks!

NM> That always bothers me.  It's ok if they throw away real garbage, and I
NM> do take some things that I consider borderline but think somebody
NM> somewhere *might* not consider garbage.

Lots of people DO take real garbage, and stuff that should be garbage.

NM>  But it bothers me to think that
NM> some things might get thrown away that aren't ready to be.  That
NM> especially bothers me with books.  I think somebody ought to want almost
NM> any book.  I do go on and throw away paperbacks that are being held
NM> together by a rubber band, but I don't like the idea of throwing away
NM> something like a 1900 edition of a classic just because a dog has eaten
NM> off part of its cover.

Anyone who wants to read it now, probably wants to read it in a
paperback, or in a clean copy from a store or a library.  And a
collector certainly doesn't want it in that condition.

Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Those places have to
make some money.  They know what will sell and what won't, and they
keep what will.  Remember, some of the stuff they "throw away" may be
clothes that aren't saleable, but that may go to a shelter or other
place that will put them to use.

dan


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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I long ago conveyed that I have no turntable.

To someone, I guess.

And of course once one has no turntable it will forever be true that one
can never again have a turntable, I suppose. In Mississippi, at least.

Bethany

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In a message dated 05/26/2003 6:06:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
They need more than a thrashing with a bat.  They will surely be
arrested, won't they?

>>

I hope so; the license plate number was written down and given to
the police.  But jail terms given for such a crime are not long enough.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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In a message dated 05/26/2003 6:15:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
I long ago conveyed that I have no turntable.

>>

Are the turntables that were so popular last Christmas still
around?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > So you would
> > not throw away food that you found repulsive if you knew that the
> > maker/giver would never know you threw it away?
>
> Get a clue. We all know that you would throw it away, Natalie. It's
> not a secret any more.

?  I find your logic way weird.  Have you never said on Words-L that
there's a food you don't like?  Maybe not.  Maybe you're like Timmy on
the tv ad -- you happily eat anything.  (Or was it that Timmy didn't
happily eat anything?  Doesn't matter -- forget the tv thing -- just
stick with the thought that you scarf up any food that comes along.)  I
find it odd to think that Wordslers are supposed to say that they like
all foods.  I can't give references, but I feel sure that I'm not the
only Wordsler who has ever mentioned not liking a particular food.

> As for me, I doubt that I would throw anything away without at least
> making an effort to find out why this person thought this was worth
> giving to me.

I have known in all cases of receiving baklava why the person thought it
was worth giving to me.  I think I mentioned the case of the Romanian
illegal-alien.  In that case it was because I had told them (the family)
to feel free to take pecans from my yard.  The baklava was a thank-you
for that.  And I thanked them for the thank-you.  In the case of my
mother's neighbor in Hville, she was a very nice person who liked to
give people things and thought baklava was a good thing since her
husband had owned and run a Greek restaurant.  Again, I thanked her with
thank-yous that were sincere in the sense that I sincerely appreciated
the kindness.

> > You would force yourself to eat it out of fear of God's thinking you
> > were offensive for throwing it away?
>
> Here's another instance of your twisting people's statements. I said
> nothing about God or fear of God. I do find it unethical and immoral
> to treat a very special gift that way. Chacun a son gout.

I don't see any twisting.  I did not say that you thought God was
involved.  But why else would you think you should force food down
yourself when nobody but you and God would know whether you did or
didn't?

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Dan Lester wrote:

>   Remember, some of the stuff they "throw away" may be
> clothes that aren't saleable, but that may go to a shelter or other
> place that will put them to use.

That's a good thought.  But I would give them to such a place in the
first place if I knew of such a place to give them to.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-26 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Remember, some of the stuff they "throw away" may be
> > clothes that aren't saleable, but that may go to a shelter or other
> > place that will put them to use.
>
> That's a good thought.  But I would give them to such a place in the
> first place if I knew of such a place to give them to.

I was just joking about Salvation Army throwing things away like
it was baklava. If you are giving things away, why are you acting
like you own them too? Maybe no one wants what you are giving away.
Let it go!

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-26 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > He is a former biologist, spent some time in a rain forest field station
> > in central America, and has written a novel in that setting.
> > Two of the characters are constantly wrangling about r- and k- selection.
>
> I smell a bestseller!
>

LOL!
I'll tell him so!
clo

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On Mon, 26 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Ever since Carolyn and I had beef salad at Sunflower, I've been
> having it every couple of weeks or so. This time, I have a salad with
> red and green leaf lettuce, onions, green olives stuffed with sun
> dried tomatoes, regular tomatoes, English cucumbers, and feta cheese.
> With sliced beef. Ligniere's mother's vinaigrette. YUM!
>
> Karen
>

Mm, I still dream of it.
clo

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >I long ago conveyed that I have no turntable.
>
> To someone, I guess.

To Words-L.  We discussed it.

> And of course once one has no turntable it will forever be true that one
> can never again have a turntable, I suppose. In Mississippi, at least.

I love it when you and Clyde clone!  I hadn't thought of you as into the
thing about where you choose to live the way Clyde always is.

The spouse of a Tokyo resident I mentioned having gotten e-mail from
this afternoon was telling me about seeing a player in Raleigh that
played 78s, 45s, and 33.3s.  That might be fun to have -- more fun if my
old 45s hadn't all been thrown away.  I really would listen again to my
mother's college choir record.  I have my hs and college choir records
on tape, as I do many things that were on my old 33.3's.  I taped
bundles of stuff once I got a tape player/recorder.  But not my
mother's.  I haven't had a way to play 78's at any point in my adult
life.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I was just joking about Salvation Army throwing things away like
> it was baklava. If you are giving things away, why are you acting
> like you own them too? Maybe no one wants what you are giving away.
> Let it go!

I'm not acting like I own them.  It wouldn't matter to me where they
came from -- as in who had once <owned> them.  I just know that some
people appreciate certain old things, and I hate the thought that the
entities I give them to might not realize that and might throw them away
when somebody somewhere might cherish them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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EARTHQUAKES IN WEST CENTRAL UNITED STATES
                      (35.8 TO 40.3 N, 102.0 TO 125.0 W)

      Date       Time (UTC)     Lat        Long     Depth  Magnitude

  2003 MAY 26   21:15:29.00    37.8 N    122.6 W     9 km     3.4
       10 miles W of San Francisco, California

  2003 MAY 26   10:38:31.00    37.0 N    120.2 W     9 km     3.7
       5 miles WNW of Madera, California

  2003 MAY 26   10:01:40.00    37.3 N    121.7 W     8 km     3.8
       10 miles E of San Jose, California



Evelyn Duncan
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They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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5/26/2003, 5:52 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:


>>   Remember, some of the stuff they "throw away" may be
>> clothes that aren't saleable, but that may go to a shelter or other
>> place that will put them to use.

NM> That's a good thought.  But I would give them to such a place in the
NM> first place if I knew of such a place to give them to.

 So Sville has no Salvation Army, Goodwill, church sponsored thrift
 shop, or anything like that?  How about a pawnshop?  Naaaahhhhh....

--

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At 04:25 PM 5/26/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>Dude don't even think about bothering me tonight. GO SPURS GO.

Aren't you a night early? I was going to watch it tomorrow.

Betty

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Dan Lester wrote:
> >>   Remember, some of the stuff they "throw away" may be
> >> clothes that aren't saleable, but that may go to a shelter or other
> >> place that will put them to use.
>
> NM> That's a good thought.  But I would give them to such a place in the
> NM> first place if I knew of such a place to give them to.
>
>  So Sville has no Salvation Army, Goodwill, church sponsored thrift
>  shop, or anything like that?  How about a pawnshop?  Naaaahhhhh....

Huh??  The "they throw away" was talking about the Salvation Army and
the Palmer's Children's Home thrift shop.  We used to have only the SA
to give to, but the Palmer's place opened a year or so ago (beneifiting
a children's home in Columbus).  Who did you think we were talking
about?  I clearly said "Salvation Army" or "Palmer's Children Home."  I
wish we had a Goodwill Industry here since I remember liking the concept
in my childhood, when that's where we gave things -- the idea that they
hired people in need of work to fix broken things for them to sell.  But
there is not one here.

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Guess I got a bit ahead of myself, heh heh


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> At 04:25 PM 5/26/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
> >Dude don't even think about bothering me tonight. GO SPURS GO.
>
> Aren't you a night early? I was going to watch it tomorrow.
>
> Betty
>

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So, what are you going to do instead?

At 07:57 PM 5/26/2003 -0500, Anne Toal wrote:
>Guess I got a bit ahead of myself, heh heh
>
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> >
> > Aren't you a night early? I was going to watch it tomorrow.
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> > Betty
> >

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When it appeared as though the sun was out for real and it
warmed up a bit, we had the marina drop the boat in.  We
were just going to piss up and down the river a bit and then
come in, but we ran into people we knew and ended up staying
out until about 6pm.  Speaking of shaken, the old fat guy
was having fun running the boat WFO and I got quite an ab
workout trying to keep my balance.  After he got tired of
that, we rafted with some friends at the confluence of the
Mississippi and Illinois.  It was a really nice spot with
quite a view of the bluffs.  Very nice day.



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> So, what are you going to do instead?

Do some of the things that constitute "having a life." You should try it,
Bad Betty.

-aht

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The following  is  from  the  United  States  Geological  Survey,
National  Earthquake  Information Center:  Preliminary hypocenter
for earthquake of 2003 May 26, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES, about 75 km
(45  miles)  SW of Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines:  latitude 6.8
degrees north, longitude 123.7 degrees east, origin  time  23  13
29.3  utc,  depth  560  km,  magnitude  6.8.   

Evelyn Duncan
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Spencer said thank-you to me a little while ago for my choices in his
food.  He said he would not want to think he was eating mad cows.
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Monday, May 26, 2003, 6:51:13 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > You would force yourself to eat it out of fear of God's thinking you
>> > were offensive for throwing it away?
>>
>> Here's another instance of your twisting people's statements. I said
>> nothing about God or fear of God. I do find it unethical and immoral
>> to treat a very special gift that way. Chacun a son gout.

> I don't see any twisting.  I did not say that you thought God was
> involved.  But why else would you think you should force food down
> yourself when nobody but you and God would know whether you did or
> didn't?

I'm not going to dignify this with a response, other than to point out
the use of 'force food down'--another twisting of the sense of what I
said.

Karen

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02003-05-26 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > So, what are you going to do instead?
>
> Do some of the things that constitute "having a life." You should try it,
> Bad Betty.

I don't think you realize how deeply offensive you were.

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Karen Kay:
= Ever since Carolyn and I had beef salad at Sunflower, I've been
= having it every couple of weeks or so. This time, I have a salad with
= red and green leaf lettuce, onions, green olives stuffed with sun
= dried tomatoes, regular tomatoes, English cucumbers, and feta cheese.
= With sliced beef. Ligniere's mother's vinaigrette. YUM!
=
= Karen

My favorite salad at the moment is coban salatasi, which is the
Turkish version of the basic Mediterranean salad.  At its
simplest, it's just cucumbers, onions, tomatoes and peppers
chopped, with a squeeze of lemon and a bit of salt and pepper.
Oh, and a lot of chopped parsely.

To expand, add feta, olives, hot peppers to taste.

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I haven't gotten any mail at all since early yesterday evening.  Something
somewhere is screwed up.  I've put in a complaint to my ISP.

I've read words-l on archive.  And now, just like some of you predicted,
I'm watching the last two hours of an EBay auction hoping to put in a last
minute bid.

Be amused.

    --bonniev

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San Juan Province, Argentina, magnitude 5.7.  Seems as if the
Pacific Rim is in an uproar.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > You would force yourself to eat it out of fear of God's thinking you
> >> > were offensive for throwing it away?
> >>
> >> Here's another instance of your twisting people's statements. I said
> >> nothing about God or fear of God. I do find it unethical and immoral
> >> to treat a very special gift that way. Chacun a son gout.
>
> > I don't see any twisting.  I did not say that you thought God was
> > involved.  But why else would you think you should force food down
> > yourself when nobody but you and God would know whether you did or
> > didn't?
>
> I'm not going to dignify this with a response, other than to point out
> the use of 'force food down'--another twisting of the sense of what I
> said.

I really truly don't understand your thinking.  To me, eating something
I find repulsive means forcing it down.  I've done it many times, as I
would assume we all have.  Unless you have a genuine allergy to a food,
the polite thing to do is to eat it if served it by a host -- or if
brought it by a guest in a situation where eating it then and there is
expected.  But if I'm given a gift of food in a situation where I don't
have to eat it in the presence of the giver, then I see no particular
reason to force it down at all.  Only God and I will know that I threw
it away.  And I see nothing unethical or immoral about not forcing
something down my gullet if nobody is affected by my not doing so.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 07:06 AM 5/27/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>San Juan Province, Argentina, magnitude 5.7.  Seems as if the
>Pacific Rim is in an uproar.

It must really be in an uproar to affect a country bordering the Atlantic
Ocean.

cwv

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In a message dated 05/27/2003 8:07:59 AM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:

<<
It must really be in an uproar to affect a country bordering the Atlantic
Ocean.

>>

Yes.  I wonder where the next earthquake will be; if it will be any further
out.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Our electricity went off at 8:15.  One can't help but feel sorry for all
the B&B owners who were in the middle of breakfast.  One can also feel
sorry for me who lost out on the last 15 minutes of the EBay
auction.  Possibly a good thing.  Two people evidently bid it way up in
those last few minutes.  It was not a unique item.  There will be another.


    --bonniev

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>= auction.  Possibly a good thing.  Two people evidently bid it way up in
>= those last few minutes.  It was not a unique item.  There will be another.
>=    --bonniev
>
>Is this a YaY or a BoO?

Both, I guess.  It is certainly a YaY for the person who got the "still in
the box" covered sugar bowl for $49 Canadian.  It sells for $150 and
up.   That's Yankee dollars.


    --bonniev

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= I'm watching the last two hours of an EBay auction hoping to put in a last
= minute bid.
=
= Be amused.
=
=    --bonniev

YaY!

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 07:06 AM 5/27/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >San Juan Province, Argentina, magnitude 5.7.  Seems as if the
> >Pacific Rim is in an uproar.
>
> It must really be in an uproar to affect a country bordering the Atlantic
> Ocean.
>
> cwv

I know I've been away, but why so much interest in the pacific rim quakes,
when the Algerian one was so much more devastating?
clo

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= auction.  Possibly a good thing.  Two people evidently bid it way up in
= those last few minutes.  It was not a unique item.  There will be another.
=
=
=    --bonniev

Is this a YaY or a BoO?

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At 09:51 AM 5/27/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>I know I've been away, but why so much interest in the pacific rim quakes,
>when the Algerian one was so much more devastating?

In the past five days or so, there have been quakes in Japan, Indonesia,
Fiji, the Philippines, Kamchatka, and CA.  See, e.g.,

http://tinyurl.com/crf3

Whether or not the timing is coincidence or part of a major tectonic
rearrangement, I don't know.  Most have been relatively small (magnitude 5
or less). The Argentine one was in a province on the east side of the
Andes; as I interpret the plate-boundary map, it isn't part of what usually
is considered as the pacific rim.

cwv

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'A netherworld salute for F.Castro...

'Alan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
> San Juan Province, Argentina, magnitude 5.7.  Seems as if the
> Pacific Rim is in an uproar.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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bonniev wrote:

>   There will be another.

And you will be further inspired to fight to the finish after being
frustrated this time.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> I know I've been away, but why so much interest in the pacific rim quakes,
> when the Algerian one was so much more devastating?

Their closeness together (temporally speaking, I mean).  The Algerian
one was -- when? -- almost a week? -- before all these others started
happening in very close succession.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Whether or not the timing is coincidence or part of a major tectonic
> rearrangement, I don't know.  Most have been relatively small (magnitude 5

The Japanese are studying the <plates> to decide whether the one there
increases the likelihood (or ups the estimated dates) of the big one
that has been predicted for a good while now for that part of Japan
(Miyagi Prefecture).  Or so I read in the Daily Yomiuri this morning.

Let me go find the url in case I'm misrepresenting what was said.
...
Here it is:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030527wo32.htm

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> Our electricity went off at 8:15.  One can't help but feel sorry for all
> the B&B owners who were in the middle of breakfast.  One can also feel
> sorry for me who lost out on the last 15 minutes of the EBay
> auction.  Possibly a good thing.  Two people evidently bid it way up in
> those last few minutes.  It was not a unique item.  There will be another.
>
>
>     --bonniev

You just weren't meant to have it...

Sandra (atheist/buddhist all rolled up in one)

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> bonniev wrote:
>
> >   There will be another.
>
> And you will be further inspired to fight to the finish after being
> frustrated this time.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Imagine that you did win it in the auction....and you own it. And you let it
sit on a shelf, unused for years. And then at some point down the line,
you're *getting rid of things*. What a pain it would be to have just another
thing to find a home for.

Sandra (living the life)

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>
> Karen Kay:
> = Ever since Carolyn and I had beef salad at Sunflower, I've been
> = having it every couple of weeks or so. This time, I have a salad with
> = red and green leaf lettuce, onions, green olives stuffed with sun
> = dried tomatoes, regular tomatoes, English cucumbers, and feta cheese.
> = With sliced beef. Ligniere's mother's vinaigrette. YUM!
> =
> = Karen
>
> My favorite salad at the moment is coban salatasi, which is the
> Turkish version of the basic Mediterranean salad.  At its
> simplest, it's just cucumbers, onions, tomatoes and peppers
> chopped, with a squeeze of lemon and a bit of salt and pepper.
> Oh, and a lot of chopped parsely.
>
> To expand, add feta, olives, hot peppers to taste.

Red onions? Green peppers?

Sandra

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>bonniev wrote:
> >   There will be another.
>
>And you will be further inspired to fight to the finish after being
>frustrated this time.    -- Natalie

Maybe.  Maybe not.  I was up against at least one person with that kind of
software, or that kind of ebay knowledge, that Karen was talking about.  I
would be outbid immediately upon placing a bid.


    --bonniev

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>Imagine that you did win it in the auction....and you own it. And you let it
>sit on a shelf, unused for years. And then at some point down the line,
>you're *getting rid of things*. What a pain it would be to have just another
>thing to find a home for.        --Sandra (living the life)

I don't live that life.  I get rid of things all along.  I have no music
cassettes or records -- long gone.   I even sell most books as I've read
them.   But, I understand your point.  To counter that point, I'm beginning
to think I'm sitting on a fortune worth of fine china.  I gradually
accumulated a serving for six of Royal Doulton Biltmore pattern from a RD
outlet store in Gatlinburg, Tennessee.  If I ever need money, I could sell
it, plate by plate, either on Ebay or to Replacements.com.  I won't have to
search far for a home for it.


    --bonniev

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bonniev writes,

>Maybe.  Maybe not.  I was up against at least one person with that kind of
>software, or that kind of ebay knowledge, that Karen was talking about.  I
>would be outbid immediately upon placing a bid.

That's not sniping, that's just the normal Ebay operation.  It minimizes
the winning bid to be just above the next-lowest competing bid.  They call
it "proxy bidding," and it makes sense if you're the high bidder.

See the first question on:
<http://pages.ebay.com/help/popup_faq.html>

or
<http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/proxy-bidding.html>

Pete

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My system was finally on go -- the blood sank instead of floating, pulse
rate normal.  This is the first time I've actually made it all the way
to the blood-giving itself in many, many months.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
: Re: Quake No. 5
> The Japanese are studying the <plates> to decide whether the one there
> increases the likelihood (or ups the estimated dates) of the big one
> that has been predicted for a good while now for that part of Japan
> (Miyagi Prefecture).  Or so I read in the Daily Yomiuri this morning.
>
> Let me go find the url in case I'm misrepresenting what was said.
> ...
> Here it is:
> http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030527wo32.htm
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


'Interesting stuff, Natalie.  It looks consistent enough to bet on; around
15 years from now, give or take, they're in for a good one.

Grab your mother and get outside best
Keep your child close to your chest
When the jolts and shakes depart
Get back home, and pick up the mess

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>
> My system was finally on go -- the blood sank instead of floating, pulse
> rate normal.  This is the first time I've actually made it all the way
> to the blood-giving itself in many, many months.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


Let it flow, Natalie!

had my BP taken today. 127/68. Last time 110/70. I walked nearly 3.5 miles
to my appt.

Sandra

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02003-05-27 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> You just weren't meant to have it...
>
> Sandra (atheist/buddhist all rolled up in one)

And that's the best one-sentence summary ever.

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02003-05-27 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> Grab your mother and get outside best
> Keep your child close to your chest
> When the jolts and shakes depart
> Get back home, and pick up the mess

Posting this only helps F. Castro.

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--On Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:01 PM -0600 Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
wrote:

> What does a wordsler tat look like?  Let me see the art.
> --

We don't know yet.  We're still on opening discussions.  Suggestions?

Terry

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5/27/2003, 2:14 PM, Terry Wild wrote:

TW> --On Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:01 PM -0600 Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
TW> wrote:

>> What does a wordsler tat look like?  Let me see the art.
>> --

TW> We don't know yet.  We're still on opening discussions.  Suggestions?

Not really any suggestions.  But I could always find room for another
one.  First that comes to mind would be a big mouth, sort of like on
that Stones album, but not that, of course.  Or maybe flying fingers
on a keyboard, or.....

--

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sandra:
= >
= > Karen Kay:
= > = Ever since Carolyn and I had beef salad at Sunflower, I've been
= > = having it every couple of weeks or so. This time, I have a salad with
= > = red and green leaf lettuce, onions, green olives stuffed with sun
= > = dried tomatoes, regular tomatoes, English cucumbers, and feta cheese.
= > = With sliced beef. Ligniere's mother's vinaigrette. YUM!
= > =
= > = Karen
= >
= > My favorite salad at the moment is coban salatasi, which is the
= > Turkish version of the basic Mediterranean salad.  At its
= > simplest, it's just cucumbers, onions, tomatoes and peppers
= > chopped, with a squeeze of lemon and a bit of salt and pepper.
= > Oh, and a lot of chopped parsely.
= >
= > To expand, add feta, olives, hot peppers to taste.
=
= Red onions? Green peppers?
=
= Sandra

possibly.

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I lugged the boxes of books to the library, did further organizing of
the junkroom, and then did a job that was bigger than it would sound
from the description.  The bottom of a closet in this room was crammed
full of old computers, computer components, and gazillions of cords of
all kinds -- plus assorted other junk.  I went through all that stuff,
separating it into categories and <filing> computer cords in one basket,
telephone cords in another, odds 'n ends in other boxes, and pulling out
all the extension cords to put in a drawer in another room.  A *BIG*
drawer.  And it's now crammed.  I'm thinking about opening an
extension-cord store.  I must have fifty or more.

All in all it has been a very good day -- except that I got my hair cut
by a different person since my regular person is taking the summer off,
and I don't much like the way this other person did it.  I'll find
somebody else next month.

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Knoxville is in the list of the fastest-growing Dean-Meetup cities:

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Fastest Growing Cities for Dean in 2004 Meetups

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Bellevue-East Side, WA +33%
St. Pete-Clearwater, FL +23%
Bloomington, IN +22%
Knoxville, TN +16%
Asheville, NC +16%
Pittsfield, MA +15%
Olympia, WA +14%
Birmingham, AL +14%
Salt Lake City, UT +14%
Indianapolis, IN +13%
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From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-05-27 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> > Grab your mother and get outside best
> > Keep your child close to your chest
> > When the jolts and shakes depart
> > Get back home, and pick up the mess
>
> Posting this only helps F. Castro.

Castro?

He's gone fishing for downtrodden
Somewhere in Argentina...
Up on the island he's a has-been
>From over-reading Thumbelina

That can be sung to the same tune...  ;-)

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Remember back when I was fighting my doctor re HRT?  I was confident
that I didn't want to take drugs when I was healthy, but I think I said
here that the supposed benefit of HRT in staving off Alzheimers was
something that gave me minor pause in my decision.  Ha!  Now it has been
shown that HRT *increases* the likelihood of Alzheimers.  I'm very glad
I <stood firm> and <just said no>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-27 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Knoxville is in the list of the fastest-growing Dean-Meetup cities:
>
> **********************
> Fastest Growing Cities for Dean in 2004 Meetups
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bellevue-East Side, WA +33%
> St. Pete-Clearwater, FL +23%
> Bloomington, IN +22%
> Knoxville, TN +16%
> Asheville, NC +16%
> Pittsfield, MA +15%
> Olympia, WA +14%
> Birmingham, AL +14%
> Salt Lake City, UT +14%
> Indianapolis, IN +13%
> ***********************
> from: http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer

I am not sure what you think of Knoxville getting up there
with Bellevue and Bloomington, but I think this is neither
the time nor place for advertizing nonsense.

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02003-05-27 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> Castro?
>
> He's gone fishing for downtrodden
> Somewhere in Argentina...
> Up on the island he's a has-been
> >From over-reading Thumbelina

You need to go to spoken word open mics, man!

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>  Ha!  Now it has been
>shown that HRT *increases* the likelihood of Alzheimers.  I'm very glad
>I <stood firm> and <just said no>.     -- Natalie

URL ?    Anything bad about Fosomax?


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Bellevue-East Side, WA +33%
> > St. Pete-Clearwater, FL +23%
> > Bloomington, IN +22%
> > Knoxville, TN +16%
> > Asheville, NC +16%
> > Pittsfield, MA +15%
> > Olympia, WA +14%
> > Birmingham, AL +14%
> > Salt Lake City, UT +14%
> > Indianapolis, IN +13%
> > ***********************
> > from: http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer
>
> I am not sure what you think of Knoxville getting up there
> with Bellevue and Bloomington,

These are just the top in increases, not the top in total numbers.  You
can get the top in total numbers here:

http://dean2004.meetup.com/members/

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >  Ha!  Now it has been
> >shown that HRT *increases* the likelihood of Alzheimers.  I'm very glad
> >I <stood firm> and <just said no>.     -- Natalie
>
> URL ?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/08/eveningnews/main535722.shtml

> Anything bad about Fosomax?

No.

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02003-05-27 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> These are just the top in increases, not the top in total numbers.  You
> can get the top in total numbers here:
>
> http://dean2004.meetup.com/members/

Thanks...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > http://dean2004.meetup.com/members/
>
> Thanks...

You're welcome.  I found that it acted odd in Netscape -- didn't show
the cities.  But I went over to Netscape because it allows you to open
things in new frames while IE doesn't.  I've also noticed that about
images, btw.  Netscape (4.7) has a "view image" option, which means you
can look just at an image, not at the page it's on.  IE won't let me do
that.  Why don't you create a browser, Tushykins, that will do it all?

Why is Words-L so quiet today?  I had thought that being off-line for
many hours would lead to my finding a juicy pile of list mail.  But
there's not much.

Did y'all know that there was a bull in a china shop in England
yesterday?

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Knoxville is in the list of the fastest-growing Dean-Meetup cities:

Dean? academic? Or ecclesiastical?

?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Knoxville is in the list of the fastest-growing Dean-Meetup cities:
>
> Dean? academic? Or ecclesiastical?

Next President.

Speaking of Knoxville, I actually read some things in the UT Alum
magazine I got today.  I'm beginning to really like this retirement
stuff.  Normally I would've maybe opened it while walking back from the
p.o. but that would've been it, if I opened it at all.  I liked this
quotation I read in it:  "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's
soul remains unawakened." -- Anatole France.

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>> >Knoxville is in the list of the fastest-growing Dean-Meetup cities:
>>
>> Dean? academic? Or ecclesiastical?
>
>Next President.

!

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Dean? academic? Or ecclesiastical?
> >
> >Next President.
>
> !

Indeed.  More than one ! would be good.

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What the hell kind of name is "Besmirl"? Doesn't sound very Southern
to me. How do you pronounce it?

Actually, while I have the chance--how do you pronounce "Vachel"?

I thought bizarre names was a boomer invention but evidently not...

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> What the hell kind of name is "Besmirl"? Doesn't sound very Southern
> to me. How do you pronounce it?

I've never seen it before.  Is it Southern?  My guess is that it would
be pronounced [bEzm@rl] -- with the @ meaning a schwa -- iow, something
like behzmurl.

> Actually, while I have the chance--how do you pronounce "Vachel"?

I've heard it pronounced with both [ae] and [e].  Usually with ch rather
than sh.  And a schwa, of course, for the last vowel.

> I thought bizarre names was a boomer invention but evidently not...

Where marsh hens slush in the watery sod -- wait -- that wasn't Vachel
Lindsay -- that was Sidney Lanier.  I get them mixed up because they
somehow were mushed together in my brain when we read them in junior
high.  VL wrote about fat black bucks in wine-barreled rooms.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/08/eveningnews/main535722.shtml

Given that, I can arc over to the study itself:

<http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/289/20/2651>

Another recent WHIMS study examining health-related quality of life for
patients on estrogen plus progestin showed that HRT did not have a
clinically meaningful effect:

<http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/348/19/1839>

Pete

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Well, I will save a little money since I won't be taking ht anymore - I
will use it to pay for my looming dementia, I suppose.

Or at least that is my decision until the next study comes along.

Bethany

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02003-05-27 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > What the hell kind of name is "Besmirl"? Doesn't sound very Southern
> > to me. How do you pronounce it?
>
> I've never seen it before.  Is it Southern?  My guess is that it would
> be pronounced [bEzm@rl] -- with the @ meaning a schwa -- iow, something
> like behzmurl.

I don't know about Southern, but "Besmirl" does get a mention on
the Mississippi writers' page ...

> > Actually, while I have the chance--how do you pronounce "Vachel"?
>
> I've heard it pronounced with both [ae] and [e].  Usually with ch rather
> than sh.  And a schwa, of course, for the last vowel.

Thank you, Maynor.

> > I thought bizarre names was a boomer invention but evidently not...
>
> Where marsh hens slush in the watery sod -- wait -- that wasn't Vachel
> Lindsay -- that was Sidney Lanier.  I get them mixed up because they
> somehow were mushed together in my brain when we read them in junior
> high.  VL wrote about fat black bucks in wine-barreled rooms.

GAY[tm]

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 6:50:18 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Actually, while I have the chance--how do you pronounce "Vachel"?

Like Rachel, with a V.

> I thought bizarre names was a boomer invention but evidently not...

You are SO naive, Tushman.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 7:24:45 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Well, I will save a little money since I won't be taking ht anymore - I
> will use it to pay for my looming dementia, I suppose.

> Or at least that is my decision until the next study comes along.

Is this your personal version of HRT, or something else?

Karen

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I forgot to mention that in that enormous, tangled pile of mess on the
closet floor was my scanner.  I pulled it out and connected it to the
old computer in the junkroom.  And it works.  I just scanned a few old
pictures as a test of it:

http://www.maynor.net/Old/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Actually, while I have the chance--how do you pronounce "Vachel"?
>
> I've heard it pronounced with both [ae] and [e].  Usually with ch rather

The more I think about it, the more I think I've heard [e] more often
than [ae] -- iow, Vaychul.  But then it's not a name I've heard very
often.  I don't think I've thought about him since junior high.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> >  VL wrote about fat black bucks in wine-barreled rooms.
>
> GAY[tm]

VL or the fat black bucks?

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Well, I will save a little money since I won't be taking ht anymore - I
>> will use it to pay for my looming dementia, I suppose.
>
>> Or at least that is my decision until the next study comes along.
>
>Is this your personal version of HRT, or something else?

This? Ht? Hormone therary? It's what some websites are using - I can't
claim credit. For ex., a CNN headline reads, "Study deals another blow to
hormone therapy."

Bethany

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02003-05-27 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I thought bizarre names was a boomer invention but evidently not...
>
> You are SO naive, Tushman.

I don't think you realize how deeply offensive this is.

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PS:  For some reason my brain also gets "Thanatopsis" merged in there
with "The Marshes of Glynn" and "The Congo."  Something about the marsh
hen and the watery sod and building a nest in the something of God
merges with the innumerable caravan heading to the mysterious realm.
Maybe it's that I had to memorize lines from those poems around the same
time.

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 8:02:51 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Well, I will save a little money since I won't be taking ht anymore - I
>>> will use it to pay for my looming dementia, I suppose.
>>
>>> Or at least that is my decision until the next study comes along.
>>
>>Is this your personal version of HRT, or something else?

> This? Ht? Hormone therary? It's what some websites are using - I can't
> claim credit. For ex., a CNN headline reads, "Study deals another blow to
> hormone therapy."

It's *called* hormone therapy, but I've never seen it abbreviated to
anything but HRT. That's why I asked.

Karen

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 8:13:31 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-27 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > I thought bizarre names was a boomer invention but evidently not...
>>
>> You are SO naive, Tushman.

> I don't think you realize how deeply offensive this is.

You would be wrong.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It's *called* hormone therapy, but I've never seen it abbreviated to
> anything but HRT. That's why I asked.

It is often abbreviated as HT.

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These are just a few examples of Bethany's non-mutancy:

*******
WASHINGTON, DC -- Hormone therapy (HT) is the subject of two studies in
the December issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology: the Women's Contraceptive
and Reproductive
*******
from:
http://www.acog.org/from_home/publications/press_releases/nr11-29-02-4.cfm

******
Doctors sometimes prescribe hormones to replace those lost during
menopause. This treatment, called Hormone Therapy (HT), can ease the
symptoms of menopause and protect against osteoporosis. Although
millions
of women take HT, it may not be the right choice for everyone.
******
from: http://www.medicinenet.com/Hormone_Therapy/article.htm

******
Information on Menopause and Hormone Therapy (HT)
******
from: http://www.clarkpropharmacy.com/Pages/HRT.htm

******
You've probably heard confusing and conflicting reports about
postmenopausal hormone therapy (HT), cholesterol, and heart
health: "It lowers cholesterol...," "It raises heart disease risk...,"
"It may be safe...," "It isn't safe."
******
from: http://www.prevention.com/cda/qamulti2002/1,5135,5266,00.html

******
Hormone therapy (HT) provides women with the female hormones that
decrease as
they age.
******
from: http://www.4woman.gov/faq/hormone.htm#1

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>These are just a few examples of Bethany's non-mutancy:
>
>*******
>WASHINGTON, DC -- Hormone therapy (HT) is the subject of two studies in
>the December issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology: the Women's Contraceptive
>and Reproductive
>*******
[etc.]

And you say that you do not like to do research, Natalie! You're
certainly good at collecting data!

Bethany
non-mutant this time at least

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 8:19:50 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> It's *called* hormone therapy, but I've never seen it abbreviated to
>> anything but HRT. That's why I asked.

> It is often abbreviated as HT.

Cite?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>These are just a few examples of Bethany's non-mutancy:

Another search is for <hrt ht hormone>, finding instances of comparisons
between the acronyms:

<http://www.cogi2003berlin.com/bio.asp?page=CV_notelovitz>:

Post-WHI, the new 'concensus" is that HRT is only appropriate for the
treatment of menopausal symptoms (limited to 5 years) and once again, that
all hormones are equal viz-a-viz their safety and efficacy in management of
the climacteric and menopausal syndrome. This presentation will briefly
review the following biological facts and indicate why the term "Hormone
Therapy" HT is preferable.

<http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/women/2002-04-09-hrt.htm>:

But if some medical researchers had their way, HRT and its full name,
hormone replacement therapy, would disappear from the lexicon of menopause.
In recent medical reports, these scientists have gone out of their way to
note that hormone replacement therapy is actually a misnomer.

It's the word "replacement" that bothers them the most. The reason: Calling
it hormone _replacement_ therapy suggests that menopause is a hormone
deficiency disease, rather than a normal change in women's lives.

<http://www.4woman.gov/faq/hormone.htm>:

Hormone therapy (HT) provides women with the female hormones that decrease
as they age. When the hormone estrogen is given alone, it is usually
referred to as "ERT." When the hormone progestin is combined with estrogen,
it is generally called "HT," formerly known as hormone replacement therapy
(HRT).

====

There are also some UK and AU pages that use "HT", and say it may also be
referred to as "HT"; I didn't follow up to characterize the potential
regionalism better.

Pete

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 8:28:30 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> These are just a few examples of Bethany's non-mutancy:

They are mostly from '02, too--after I stopped reading about it. Very
interesting spin doctoring.

> ******
> Information on Menopause and Hormone Therapy (HT)
> ******
> from: http://www.clarkpropharmacy.com/Pages/HRT.htm

This was interesting.:) Schizophrenic.

Karen

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>There are also some UK and AU pages that use "HT", and say it may also be
>referred to as "HT"; I didn't follow up to characterize the potential

Sorry: There are also some UK and AU pages that use "HT", and say it may
also be referred to as >>"HRT"<<.

Pete

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> And you say that you do not like to do research, Natalie! You're
> certainly good at collecting data!

That kind of data collecting isn't the kind of research I hate.  I hate
things like heading out into the boonies with a tape-recorder and taping
for hours, and most of all I hate the untold number of hours of auditing
the tapes.  I don't mind a simple googling for ht.

Besides, I found Karen's attitude toward your use of that abbreviation
<highly offensive>.  (Fwiw, I normally use HRT as the abbreviation.  But
I knew I'd seen HT many times.)

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 8:50:50 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Another search is for <hrt ht hormone>, finding instances of comparisons
> between the acronyms:

> <http://www.cogi2003berlin.com/bio.asp?page=CV_notelovitz>:

> Post-WHI, the new 'concensus" is that HRT is only appropriate for the

Bingo. I stopped reading about HRT around the WHI time.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It is often abbreviated as HT.
>
> Cite?

See above. (Those were just a few samples.  I could've continued for
many screens.)

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 9:02:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>> And you say that you do not like to do research, Natalie! You're
>> certainly good at collecting data!

> That kind of data collecting isn't the kind of research I hate.  I hate
> things like heading out into the boonies with a tape-recorder and taping
> for hours, and most of all I hate the untold number of hours of auditing
> the tapes.  I don't mind a simple googling for ht.

> Besides, I found Karen's attitude toward your use of that abbreviation
> <highly offensive>.  (Fwiw, I normally use HRT as the abbreviation.  But
> I knew I'd seen HT many times.)

My SMTP server evidently shares your view, because it won't let me
mail anything out on this topic!

Karen

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At 08:24 PM 5/27/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>Well, I will save a little money since I won't be taking ht anymore - I
>will use it to pay for my looming dementia, I suppose.
>
>Or at least that is my decision until the next study comes along.

How many years have you been taking it?

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Another search is for <hrt ht hormone>, finding instances of comparisons
>between the acronyms:

[etc.]

Damn - there's an entire research paper there. Natalie?

Bethany

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At 09:06 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 9:02:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> >> And you say that you do not like to do research, Natalie! You're
> >> certainly good at collecting data!
>
> > That kind of data collecting isn't the kind of research I hate.  I hate
> > things like heading out into the boonies with a tape-recorder and taping
> > for hours, and most of all I hate the untold number of hours of auditing
> > the tapes.  I don't mind a simple googling for ht.
>
> > Besides, I found Karen's attitude toward your use of that abbreviation
> > <highly offensive>.  (Fwiw, I normally use HRT as the abbreviation.  But
> > I knew I'd seen HT many times.)
>
>My SMTP server evidently shares your view, because it won't let me
>mail anything out on this topic!

Whew!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Damn - there's an entire research paper there. Natalie?

Not me.  I've hung it up.  I ran into a psychologist at a convenience
store last week who was trying to lure me into doing a research project
with him, but I JUST SAID NO.  I'm not into saying no to teaching yet,
but I have been for sure saying no to all research matters.  It's gotten
easier and easier.  I found it a little bit hard the first time I had to
do it -- back when the LAVIS III organizers were wooing people to be on
their grant proposal around the time I officially retired.  But I said
no.  Every instance since then has been easier.  I {heart} a
researchless life!  Or at least required kinds of research -- as in
you've gotta do it as part of your job.  Informal research on whims is
another thing.

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I have not read the entire article yet, but two statements stood out for
me from the NYTimes:

>Hormone therapy doubled the risk of Alzheimer's disease and other types
of dementia in women who began the treatment at age 65 or older, a large
study has found.<

>Because the women in the study were 65 or older, it is not known whether
the findings apply to younger postmenopausal women. It is not known,
either, whether the results apply to women who take other hormone
combinations or estrogen alone. Women who take estrogen alone are being
studied separately.<

Apparently, we do not know the results for women who took ht prior to age
65. I took most of mine prior to age 65.

Bethany

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Betty wrote:

>How many years have you been taking it?

I took it for about 6-7 years.

Bethany

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At 09:27 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > Damn - there's an entire research paper there. Natalie?
>
>Not me.  I've hung it up.  I ran into a psychologist at a convenience
>store last week who was trying to lure me into doing a research project
>with him, but I JUST SAID NO.


YaY

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Betty wrote:

> >Not me.  I've hung it up.  I ran into a psychologist at a convenience
> >store last week who was trying to lure me into doing a research project
> >with him, but I JUST SAID NO.
>
> YaY

Indeed.  I've still got that little card you sent me that color codes
your stress state.  The last time I tried it, it turned green -- for
stress-free.  Yay!  (But I have noticed that it doesn't act the same
when you put a finger on it on a surface and when you hold it between
fingers.  It's more likely to turn green in the latter configuration.)

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 9:27:19 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 09:06 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, May 27, 2003, 9:02:48 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> > "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>>
>> >> And you say that you do not like to do research, Natalie! You're
>> >> certainly good at collecting data!
>>
>> > That kind of data collecting isn't the kind of research I hate.  I hate
>> > things like heading out into the boonies with a tape-recorder and taping
>> > for hours, and most of all I hate the untold number of hours of auditing
>> > the tapes.  I don't mind a simple googling for ht.
>>
>> > Besides, I found Karen's attitude toward your use of that abbreviation
>> > <highly offensive>.  (Fwiw, I normally use HRT as the abbreviation.  But
>> > I knew I'd seen HT many times.)
>>
>>My SMTP server evidently shares your view, because it won't let me
>>mail anything out on this topic!

> Whew!

:)

Karen

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On Tue, 27 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>you've gotta do it as part of your job.  Informal research on whims is
>another thing.

That's the only kind I have ever done! Well, not whims, exactly. More like
passions.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas writes,

>Apparently, we do not know the results for women who took ht prior to age
>65. I took most of mine prior to age 65.

In particular, "The WHIMS estrogen plus progestin trial was restricted to
women aged 65 years or older. Some investigators have suggested that for
hormone therapy to prevent probable dementia, women must initiate its use
around the menopause.[78-80] This alternative hypothesis cannot be tested
in the WHIMS."

BTW, while the incidence of dementia doubled, "... the absolute risk is
relatively small. That is, for every 10 000 postmenopausal women aged 65
years or older with risk factor profiles similar to those of WHIMS
participants who took estrogen plus progestin for 1 year, 45 would be
diagnosed with probable dementia vs 22 women taking placebo."

Pete

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Pete quoting:

>It's the word "replacement" that bothers them the most. The reason: Calling
>it hormone _replacement_ therapy suggests that menopause is a hormone
>deficiency disease, rather than a normal change in women's lives.

I had read this.  HT is more politically correct.

The thing that really annoys me is that women keep saying things like "I'll
wait until the next study comes out.  They used to say eggs were bad for
you and now they aren't."    Jeez.  Most of the previous hormone studies
were simplistic observational studies as are many so-called research
findings.   But this study, the Women's Health Initiative, is a true double
blind, long term, many participants study.  It's the one that everyone was
waiting for.  But now that there are results many women and some doctors
act like it can be dismissed just because it didn't give the findings they
wanted.


    --bonniev

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Natalie, you haven't changed a bit :-)

Rita L.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

 I just scanned a few old pictures as a test of it:

>http://www.maynor.net/Old/
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
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>

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Somebody just sent me this news item:

> The White House announced today that it is changing
> its emblem to a condom because it more clearly
> reflects the Republican Party's position.
>
> A condom accepts inflation, halts production,
> destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of
> pricks and gives you a sense of security while you're
> actually getting screwed.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> Natalie, you haven't changed a bit :-)

Right.  I'm sure those ribbons were taped onto my head since the
cobwebbish hair wouldn't hold them otherwise.  The same would be true
today if I wanted to wear ribbons in my hair.  Only change is that my
hair has gotten much darker through the years.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I am severely over-committed right now and legal cases are a priority. So
I will not, after all, be going to Durham for the weekend, hence will not,
after all, have breakfast with Phyllis on Sunday. I delivered all messages
to her. She replied:

---
Tell everyone I said "hey!"

And maybe I will do Beachfest next year.
----

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>

> > Castro?
> >
> > He's gone fishing for downtrodden
> > Somewhere in Argentina...
> > Up on the island he's a has-been
> > >From over-reading Thumbelina
>
> You need to go to spoken word open mics, man!

Karaoke DJs tremble when they see me meandering my way toward them... the
smarter ones break into their own songs asap.

;-P

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At 08:45 AM 5/28/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>I am severely over-committed right now and legal cases are a priority. So
>I will not, after all, be going to Durham for the weekend, hence will not,
>after all, have breakfast with Phyllis on Sunday. I delivered all messages
>to her. She replied:
>
>---
>Tell everyone I said "hey!"
>
>And maybe I will do Beachfest next year.
>----

That would be totally cool!  I hope I can do it.  I don't know if anyone
else will be working here.

Betty

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of bonniev
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:43 PM
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>
>
>>  Ha!  Now it has been
>>shown that HRT *increases* the likelihood of Alzheimers.  I'm
>very glad
>>I <stood firm> and <just said no>.     -- Natalie
>
>URL ?    Anything bad about Fosomax?
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

Mean like trashing your stomach and intestine.



alec

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> >URL ?    Anything bad about Fosomax?
> >    --bonniev
>
>Mean like trashing your stomach and intestine.
>alec

Yes, like that.  I've heard it is hard on the esophagus but not the stomach
and intestine.


    --bonniev

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of bonniev
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>
>
>> >URL ?    Anything bad about Fosomax?
>> >    --bonniev
>>
>>Mean like trashing your stomach and intestine.
>>alec
>
>Yes, like that.  I've heard it is hard on the esophagus but
>not the stomach
>and intestine.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

Being that the esophagus is connected to the stomach, it is related. If you
have reflux issues or gastric issues, Fosomax is not very good.


alec

http://rxlist.com/cgi/generic/alendron_wcp.htm check out for a little info.

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Bonnie's computer crashed big time.  I've tried everything and it always
come down to this:

The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS

The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WIINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD

Type the name of the Windows loader (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD)

c>


Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???

  --bonniev, on Clyde's computer

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> Bonnie's computer crashed big time.  I've tried everything and it always
> come down to this:
>
> The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
>
> The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WIINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD
>
> Type the name of the Windows loader (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD)
>
> c>
>
>
> Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???

What operating system?

Can you use the Windows install CD to repair the OS?

Karen

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2507294a9253,00.html

"But it is possible to get near there in just an hour, before breakfast,
and in shirt sleeves – on Buddha Air.

While clients of commercial guiding companies will pay $US65,000
($NZ113,181) for the privilege of standing on top of the world, the
airline ticket will set you back $US124 with transfers to the airport
terminal.

The Nepali airline runs daily mountain flights. You'll get almost up to
the height of Everest – flying at 25,000ft compared to the 29,000ft or
8850m height of Mt Everest – and can see the route Sir Edmund and Tenzing
took from the South Col, to the South Summit to the top, albeit at a
distance.

The airline says it will go to within 3km of the mountain in good weather
conditions but yesterday got within 11km or 12km of the summit.

It might be possible to rely on the cuckoo in the garden, who punctually
gives guests a wake-up call at 4.30am but the driver asks that people be
ready at 5.45am for their trip to the domestic terminal at Kathmandu
Airport."

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of clyde w. voigtlander
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:23 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: windows crash, please help
>
>
>Bonnie's computer crashed big time.  I've tried everything and
>it always
>come down to this:
>
>The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
>
>The following file is missing or corrupted:
>C:\WIINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD
>
>Type the name of the Windows loader (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD)
>
>c>
>
>
>Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???
>
>  --bonniev, on Clyde's computer
>

Call Dell tech support. Or load the repair disk? What were you doing when it
happpened?


alec

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> Upgrading might make the problem worse. It is a Mickeysoft product.

Even if you format the disk?

Karen

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:36 PM
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>
>
>> It's Windows ME.  It's a Dell.  I have a disk that says
>"Reinstallation
>> CD WMe.  But I get to a certain point with that and it says
>I'm supposed
>> to have a Startup Disk in Drive A.  If I put the back up disk that I
>> created in there, I only get so far before I'm back to being
>told about
>> those corrupted files.
>
>Hm.
>
>Maybe it's time to upgrade? They are cutting prices on XP.
>
>Karen
>

Upgrading might make the problem worse. It is a Mickeysoft product.


alec

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From: "Karen Kay" <karen@wordwrite.com>
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> It's Windows ME.  It's a Dell.  I have a disk that says "Reinstallation
> CD WMe.  But I get to a certain point with that and it says I'm supposed
> to have a Startup Disk in Drive A.  If I put the back up disk that I
> created in there, I only get so far before I'm back to being told about
> those corrupted files.

Hm.

Maybe it's time to upgrade? They are cutting prices on XP.

Karen

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It's Windows ME.  It's a Dell.  I have a disk that says "Reinstallation CD
WMe.  But I get to a certain point with that and it says I'm supposed to
have a Startup Disk in Drive A.  If I put the back up disk that I created
in there, I only get so far before I'm back to being told about those
corrupted files.


> > Bonnie's computer crashed big time.  I've tried everything and it always
> > come down to this:
> >
> > The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
> >
> > The following file is missing or corrupted: C:\WIINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD
> >
> > Type the name of the Windows loader (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD)
> >
> > c>
> >
> >
> > Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???
>
>What operating system?
>
>Can you use the Windows install CD to repair the OS?
>
>Karen

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I carved out time for a haircut late yesterday. When I walked in to the
barbershop, all were involved in a general discussion - about the
meaning of the word <knowingly>. I was delighted, because -

- the TN Criminal Court of Appeals last Friday (May 19) reversed a capital
conviction partly because the trial judge did not define the term
"knowingly" for the jurors (re second degree murder vs. manslaughter).
(Defense counsel called me. The Att'y General must file a brief by Friday,
and we have 5 days to answer.)

No one else that I spoke with yesterday (mostly academics) had even heard
about the case. I love my barbershop!

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:44 PM
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>
>
>> Upgrading might make the problem worse. It is a Mickeysoft product.
>
>Even if you format the disk?
>
>Karen
>

Especially if you format it, I doubt Bonnie has a recent backup. Otherwise,
Dell has device drivers which will need to be restored. The Dell restoration
disk is not bad.


alec

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>Especially if you format it, I doubt Bonnie has a recent backup. Otherwise,
>Dell has device drivers which will need to be restored. The Dell restoration
>disk is not bad.
>alec

My back up is almost two years old.  But the Dell restoration disk isn't
doing anything for me unless I'm using the wrong thing.

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>
>
>>Especially if you format it, I doubt Bonnie has a recent
>backup. Otherwise,
>>Dell has device drivers which will need to be restored. The
>Dell restoration
>>disk is not bad.
>>alec
>
>My back up is almost two years old.  But the Dell restoration
>disk isn't
>doing anything for me unless I'm using the wrong thing.
>

Call Dell, they usually give me excellent tech support.

Alec

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I've not heard good things about ME ... but it still uses a File Allocation
Table file system... which means you should be able to get to it with any
Win9x Startup diskette to at least save your data.  If you don't have
someone nearby to provide such a boot disk, I can send you one.  Clyde,
please le'me know if I an help.

'Alan





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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
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> >Especially if you format it, I doubt Bonnie has a recent backup.
Otherwise,
> >Dell has device drivers which will need to be restored. The Dell
restoration
> >disk is not bad.
> >alec
>
> My back up is almost two years old.  But the Dell restoration disk isn't
> doing anything for me unless I'm using the wrong thing.

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Today has been another very productive day.  I tackled the large storage
closet, along with some boxes in the outside storage building, and found
all kinds of stuff, including my wisdom teeth.

Had a WLM when I found a small bag from Water Tower Place in Chicago in
one of the boxes.  Inside the small bag were some interesting Chicago
memories, including a bunch of letters I'd written to our secretaries
describing the goings-on of the crazy bunch in that NEH seminar.  (The
secretaries had saved them for me, though I hadn't asked them to.  I'm
glad they did.)  I didn't read all of them.  Made myself keep moving
forward with the task at hand.  But I'll post some excerpts at some
point for those of you who know Chicago well and might like hearing
about places we went and things we did.  There was one story about the
bartender dropping his pants the night Flitty Falsetto and I missed the
train and had to wait an hour for a bus and went into a nearby bar.  I
had totally forgotten about that until reading that letter.  (In my
first letter I had given names to all the people in the seminar --
Flitty Falsetto, Pink & Round, etc.  That was the letter saying that my
chances of finding a perfect lover that summer were slim.  The names
stuck, and I regularly used them in the rest of the letters.)

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Being that the esophagus is connected to the stomach, it is related. If you
> have reflux issues or gastric issues, Fosomax is not very good.

What about if you don't have such issues?  Might Fosomax eat up your
esophagus, stomach, intestines and lead to problems?

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Bonnie as "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???

I started not to reply since (1) there are so very many Wordslers who
know so very much more than I do and can give so very much better
advice, and (2) I've been off the computer for many hours and am sure
you've gotten good answers by now -- in fact I see some of the "Re"
postings ahead in my queue.

But since experts sometimes give more complicated advice than novices
like me might, I will go on and say what I'd do:  I'd reformat the disk
and reinstall the os from whatever form it came in (disks or cd).

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Maybe it's time to upgrade? They are cutting prices on XP.

What is Clyde's computer running?  I really truly do not promote
pirating, but I think in your emergency situation that I would seriously
consider reformatting and then installing the os from Clyde's
disks/cd/whatever.
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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Especially if you format it, I doubt Bonnie has a recent backup. Otherwise,
> Dell has device drivers which will need to be restored. The Dell restoration
> disk is not bad.

I'm suddenly remembering my Japanese keyboard with the weird
arrangements that resulted from my having reformatted the disk to
install the English Win95 that the English Dept had given me (though I
hadn't wanted it -- I was content with the Japanese version since I had
figured out where to find what I needed on it).  In my reformatting and
installing (which proved necessary since installing the English version
over the Japanese version just plain didn't work), I lost the Japanese
keyboard drivers.  I lived the rest of the year with magic-marker labels
on the crucial keys, like the tilde.  Didn't bother to figure out what
most of them were.  (The letters worked fine -- it was just the other
keys that were screwed up.)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
> > = Yes, if it was nasty.  I don't see anything nasty about what I said.
> >
> > As usual.
>
> What was nasty about it?  I wrote the subject header "Giving Up on
> Screwing" with the pun in mind.  When Kristin responded, it occurred to
> me that she wasn't here back when Bethany was discussing her celibacy
> vow, which is, afaik, the only time we've had a list discussion about
> "giving up on screwing" and thus was the allusion in my header.  So I
> mentioned it to Kristin.  Why was that nasty?

Search as I do but I cannot find another message in my mailbox where you've
mentioned it *to me*.

I was here when Bethany first discussed her vow, and there have been later
issues of it.

Deciding on this message of yours I cannot understand what might have been
nasty about mentioning that there was no pun -- but maybe others say that
there's have been sth nasty towards somebody else. -- I am not discussing
anything, only when trying to read my post I've come to this message by now,
and thought I'll check in for a moment, so you all can see, that I *try* to
read, and that I'm here. I'm going to read a bit more and then I'll call a
taxi to get home at last.

Kr.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Ah, I knew that you were a person of discretion ...

Aha, now I perhaps understand. Well, carelessly and quickly as I've read, I
shouldn't intervene here at all, I guess.

Kristin

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Found My Wisdom Teeth!
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        By coincidence, one of my students who was saggin' today lost
his jeans while he was performing the part of Mark Antony in
front of the class.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Today has been another very productive day.  I tackled the large storage
> closet, along with some boxes in the outside storage building, and found
> all kinds of stuff, including my wisdom teeth.
>
> Had a WLM when I found a small bag from Water Tower Place in Chicago in
> one of the boxes.  Inside the small bag were some interesting Chicago
> memories, including a bunch of letters I'd written to our secretaries
> describing the goings-on of the crazy bunch in that NEH seminar.  (The
> secretaries had saved them for me, though I hadn't asked them to.  I'm
> glad they did.)  I didn't read all of them.  Made myself keep moving
> forward with the task at hand.  But I'll post some excerpts at some
> point for those of you who know Chicago well and might like hearing
> about places we went and things we did.  There was one story about the
> bartender dropping his pants the night Flitty Falsetto and I missed the
> train and had to wait an hour for a bus and went into a nearby bar.  I
> had totally forgotten about that until reading that letter.  (In my
> first letter I had given names to all the people in the seminar --
> Flitty Falsetto, Pink & Round, etc.  That was the letter saying that my
> chances of finding a perfect lover that summer were slim.  The names
> stuck, and I regularly used them in the rest of the letters.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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A local friend said she's surveying people about their microwaves --
whether they love their brands and what those brands are.  Hers -- one
dating back to when microwaves were new -- has died, so she's interested
in recommendations.

Do any of you have recommendations?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > steph wrote:
> >
> > > = Yes, if it was nasty.  I don't see anything nasty about what I said.
> > >
> > > As usual.
> >
> > What was nasty about it?  I wrote the subject header "Giving Up on
> > Screwing" with the pun in mind.  When Kristin responded, it occurred to
> > me that she wasn't here back when Bethany was discussing her celibacy
> > vow, which is, afaik, the only time we've had a list discussion about
> > "giving up on screwing" and thus was the allusion in my header.  So I
> > mentioned it to Kristin.  Why was that nasty?
>
> Search as I do but I cannot find another message in my mailbox where you've
> mentioned it *to me*.

My response was to your posting.  I can't remember now exactly what your
posting said, but I remember seeing you as the sender and thinking that
I should fill you in on the old thread.

> I was here when Bethany first discussed her vow, and there have been later
> issues of it.

I hadn't realized you were here for Bethany's vow.  That's why I
mentioned it.

> Deciding on this message of yours I cannot understand what might have been
> nasty about mentioning that there was no pun -- but maybe others say that
> there's have been sth nasty towards somebody else. -- I am not discussing
> anything, only when trying to read my post I've come to this message by now,
> and thought I'll check in for a moment, so you all can see, that I *try* to
> read, and that I'm here. I'm going to read a bit more and then I'll call a
> taxi to get home at last.

I'm glad you're reading, though I'm not sure what you mean above about
the pun.  My subject header "Giving up on Screwing" was a pun in that I
was talking about screwing screws into window frames.  My mention of
Bethany's vow was a light-hearted allusion to the pun involved.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         By coincidence, one of my students who was saggin' today lost
> his jeans while he was performing the part of Mark Antony in
> front of the class.

All the way down?  Was there <tittering>?  I'm suddenly reminded of the
fat man in the tube station in London whose pants were pulled down by
the turnstile.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-28 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://www.mirrorproject.com/

What an incredibly borink site!

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> Do any of you have recommendations?

Make sure it has a turntable.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Search as I do but I cannot find another message in my mailbox where you've
> > mentioned it *to me*.
>
> My response was to your posting.  I can't remember now exactly what your
> posting said, but I remember seeing you as the sender and thinking that
> I should fill you in on the old thread.

Awfully sleepy as I am at the moment, afaik I started reading this thread only
today. But it isn't important, actually

> I hadn't realized you were here for Bethany's vow.  That's why I
> mentioned it.

I was, and I agree to Ann that she had her reasons, and her own deep content of
the vow.

> I'm glad you're reading, though I'm not sure what you mean above about
> the pun.  My subject header "Giving up on Screwing" was a pun in that I
> was talking about screwing screws into window frames.

yep. thanks. the pun I understood,

Oh, posting sleepy is worse than posting drunk, I guess. A totally wrong time for
me to be at the computer. It just happened.

Kristin

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An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0528_030528_everestathans.html

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Do any of you have recommendations?
>
> Make sure it has a turntable.

Thanks.  If there are lots of answers here, which I'm hoping there will
be, I may quit issuing individual thanks, if that's ok.  My plan is to
forward her all the replies.  I told her a few minutes ago that I had
asked the question and that I felt sure there would be lots of replies.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > http://www.mirrorproject.com/
>
> What an incredibly borink site!

I like the idea of people's reflections in art work and I may find one I
like enough to post.

Thanks, Karen - should I give public credit to you if/when I do?

Anna Borinki
www.annaborinki.com

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        By coincidence, one of my students who was saggin' today lost
>>his jeans while he was performing the part of Mark Antony in
>>front of the class.
>>
>
> All the way down?  Was there <tittering>?  I'm suddenly reminded of the
> fat man in the tube station in London whose pants were pulled down by
> the turnstile.


        Yup.  Suddenly they were down at his ankles.  Much laughter
ensued.  He took it pretty well.  Proper saggin' entails
wearing basketball shorts, so it wasn't that bad.




--
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > My response was to your posting.  I can't remember now exactly what your
> > posting said, but I remember seeing you as the sender and thinking that
> > I should fill you in on the old thread.
>
> Awfully sleepy as I am at the moment, afaik I started reading this thread only
> today. But it isn't important, actually

The thread was a short-lived one, mainly while Bethany was out of town,
I think.  But I do remember that you posted something on the subject
that did indicate that you caught the pun.  What I wasn't sure of then
was that you knew what the Bethany allusion was about.

> > I hadn't realized you were here for Bethany's vow.  That's why I
> > mentioned it.
>
> I was, and I agree to Ann that she had her reasons, and her own deep content of
> the vow.

And I also agree with that.

> Oh, posting sleepy is worse than posting drunk, I guess. A totally wrong time for
> me to be at the computer. It just happened.

I dunno re posting sleepy vs posting drunk.  I think I'd say that
posting sleepy is harder/worse.  I don't mean that anything you've
posted sleepy is bad!  I just mean that I was sitting here thinking
which of those two states was worse for me, and I think sleepy is worse
(as in more brain-draining) for me than drunk.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   I just mean that I was sitting here thinking
> which of those two states was worse for me, and I think sleepy is worse
> (as in more brain-draining) for me than drunk.

Besides, you seem to avoid being sleepy much more effectively than me.

Kristin

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> My favorite salad at the moment is coban salatasi, which is the
> Turkish version of the basic Mediterranean salad.  At its
> simplest, it's just cucumbers, onions, tomatoes and peppers
> chopped, with a squeeze of lemon and a bit of salt and pepper.
> Oh, and a lot of chopped parsely.
>
> To expand, add feta, olives, hot peppers to taste.

Or add some chopped mint and small torn pieces of toasted pita, and you've got fattoush.

Marie

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 5:51:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Do any of you have recommendations?

>>

What size is she looking for?  If she's not looking for a particular
size, she should at least look for one 1.4 cu ft and over with a
wattage of 1100 or 1200.  99.9% of microwaves come with
turntables, and they cannot be turned off in most of them.
An Inverter system would be nice:  with most microwaves,
50% power means that 100% power alternates with 0%.  With
an Inverter, 50% is true half-power; so you can melt butter and
chocolate more easily.  If she's looking for a full-size (2 cu ft
and over), make sure that the turntable will be large enough
for a 13x9 glass pan.

Is she looking for a standalone microwave or one that will
fit over the stove (a microhood).  A microhood is a microwave
with a vented hood.  They are more expensive than standalones.

If she's looking for one to replace a built-in, good luck.  Built-in
microwaves of 15 and more years ago were taller and not as
wide as microwaves today.  And most standalone microwaves
are not meant to be installed over an oven; you will void the
warranty.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Microwave ovens R us

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02003-05-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I like the idea of people's reflections in art work

You would!

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>But since experts sometimes give more complicated advice than novices
>like me might, I will go on and say what I'd do:  I'd reformat the disk
>and reinstall the os from whatever form it came in (disks or cd).
>  -- Natalie

Thanks, Natalie.  I don't know how to reformat the disk and I don't think I
have the disks to reinstall the os.

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> A local friend said she's surveying people about their microwaves --
> whether they love their brands and what those brands are.  Hers -- one
> dating back to when microwaves were new -- has died, so she's interested
> in recommendations.
>
> Do any of you have recommendations?

I've been very happy with the one Sharp microwave I've owned. It's worked
well for the almost 8 years I've had it and has never given me a lick of
trouble.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 10:13:21 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 08:45 AM 5/28/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>I am severely over-committed right now and legal cases are a priority. So
>>I will not, after all, be going to Durham for the weekend, hence will not,
>>after all, have breakfast with Phyllis on Sunday. I delivered all messages
>>to her. She replied:
>>
>>---
>>Tell everyone I said "hey!"
>>
>>And maybe I will do Beachfest next year.
>>----

> That would be totally cool!  I hope I can do it.  I don't know if anyone
> else will be working here.

Oooh, that makes me feel good.:(

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> If she's looking for one to replace a built-in, good luck.  Built-in
> microwaves of 15 and more years ago were taller and not as
> wide as microwaves today.  And most standalone microwaves
> are not meant to be installed over an oven; you will void the
> warranty.

Thanks!  I'm not sure whether hers is a built-in, though I think not
based on what she said about how she'd probably just go to Wmart and buy
a medium-priced one and that it would be fine.  (She also replied when I
told her about asking the question on Words-L saying that she's glad she
didn't go on to Wmart this afternoon -- that she will hold off and
welcome opinions from Wordslers.)  But I'm interested in what you said
because I have a built-in one -- an ancient one, I'm pretty sure.  The
minute I saw it, I thought that I was sorry it was a built-in -- that
I'd rather have a stand-alone.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 6:18:56 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> Thanks, Karen - should I give public credit to you if/when I do?

I don't care. It popped up when I was looking at something else, and I
thought that it looked like something that would appeal to you. I'm
glad to know I was right.:) (I admit that the concept is largely
better than the execution.)

Karen

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> > Do any of you have recommendations?
>
> I've been very happy with the one Sharp microwave I've owned. It's
> workedwell for the almost 8 years I've had it and has never given
> me a lick of
> trouble.

I just got here,  but my first reaction was to say that I've been impressed with Sharp microwaves. They seem to be the microwave of choice for every workplace, and work very well. And quickly, which is important in a workplace, where there might be people waiting.

I have a (hold your eyes, Evelyn) Kenmore built-in -- which I don't use nearly as much as the one at work. It also works, but I received mail recently that there's a recall on it or something.

Marie

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> No one else that I spoke with yesterday (mostly academics) had
> even heard
> about the case. I love my barbershop!

This may be weird but I never heard of a woman getting her hair cut in a barbershop.

Marie

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Thanks, Adam and Marie.  Your Sharp recommendations have sped away to my
friend.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Natalie, as far as brands are concerned:  Sharp, Panasonic,
and Kenmore are excellent brands (I've had a Kenmore for 14
years now without a spot of trouble).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> This may be weird but I never heard of a woman getting her hair cut in a barbershop.

Nor had I until Bethany's posting.  But forty years ago I had never
heard of a man getting his hair cut in a beauty parlor.  I guess it
makes sense for it to work both ways.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Marie Ascher wrote:

>>>Do any of you have recommendations?
>>>
>>I've been very happy with the one Sharp microwave I've owned. It's
>>workedwell for the almost 8 years I've had it and has never given
>>me a lick of
>>trouble.
>>
>
> I just got here,  but my first reaction was to say that I've been impressed with Sharp microwaves. They seem to be the microwave of choice for every workplace, and work very well. And quickly, which is important in a workplace, where there might be people waiting.
>


        I cannot bring myself to use the microwaves at work.  They're
always filthy.  I know that my food is in its own little
container and never touches the nuked on food on the
turntable and the sides, but it grosses me out to think
about it.  A hot lunch now and then would be nice, but I'm
doomed to sandwiches and salads.  At least the refridgerator
stays pretty clean, or I'd be out anything that could spoil,
too.

        My microwave is a Samsung.  Seems OK.  We bought it because
it was on sale.  I clean it often.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> Natalie, as far as brands are concerned:  Sharp, Panasonic,
> and Kenmore are excellent brands (I've had a Kenmore for 14
> years now without a spot of trouble).

Thanks!  Your posting is on its way to the buyer.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> This may be weird but I never heard of a woman getting her hair
> cut in a barbershop.
>
> Marie

How about this: the barbershop I've gone to since age 17 is owned and
operated by a woman.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   A hot lunch now and then would be nice, but I'm
> doomed to sandwiches and salads.

Your school doesn't serve hot lunches?  I hate to be like these old
people who talk about the good old days, but it was true re food.  We
always had excellent food at ridiculously low prices in the school
cafeterias in my childhood.  Always hot food.  Always nutritious.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> about the case. I love my barbershop!
>
>This may be weird but I never heard of a woman getting her hair cut in a
barbershop.

Mine is all-inclusive - grandpa, grandma, pa, ma, kids, grandkids. It's
family-owned, family-run, and cross-generational.

Actually, I had my first haircut in a barbershop when I was a first-year
graduate student. There was not a <salon> on campus, but there WAS a
barber shop, so I frequented it. I don't recall that any other females
did, though. That was when I became sharply aware of the price difference!

When I get my courage up, I will go to the Varsity on Cumberland, where
all the male law professors go. Should be interesting ... I will need
courage because I will have no idea what I will look like when I leave.

Bethany

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>> Ah, I knew that you were a person of discretion ...
>
>Aha, now I perhaps understand. Well, carelessly and quickly as I've read, I
>shouldn't intervene here at all, I guess.

Please intervene.

Bethany

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> Only Yesterday

A good book. I wish my copy hadn't been ruined when my mom's basement
flooded back in the early 90's.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> always had excellent food at ridiculously low prices in the school
> cafeterias in my childhood.  Always hot food.  Always nutritious.

We always had disgusting government surplus food (such as that disgusting
yellow cheese). Did I mention it was disgusting? Oh, we had foil surprise
too, which was some sort of supposed sandwich wrapped in foil. One could
never be sure of the contents, even after opening the package. Once I hit
high school, it got better - the high schools had salad bars and junk food
lines.

The worst was 4th grade, because I went to a school that was so old it
didn't have a cafeteria or kitchen - when it was built, students went home
for lunch - and our lunches had to be trucked in from another school. They
were incredibly horfulous. ::shudder::

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>  A hot lunch now and then would be nice, but I'm
>>doomed to sandwiches and salads.
>>
>
> Your school doesn't serve hot lunches?  I hate to be like these old
> people who talk about the good old days, but it was true re food.  We
> always had excellent food at ridiculously low prices in the school
> cafeterias in my childhood.  Always hot food.  Always nutritious.


        Of course it does.  And the food isn't bad.  But I only get a
1/2 hour, and I don't want to spend a single second of it in
a noisy cafeteria with rowdy kids.  That's the only peace I
get.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > always had excellent food at ridiculously low prices in the school
> > cafeterias in my childhood.  Always hot food.  Always nutritious.
>
> We always had disgusting government surplus food (such as that disgusting
> yellow cheese). Did I mention it was disgusting? Oh, we had foil surprise
> too, which was some sort of supposed sandwich wrapped in foil. One could
> never be sure of the contents, even after opening the package. Once I hit
> high school, it got better - the high schools had salad bars and junk food
> lines.

I think the big difference here is probably time, not place.  My guess
is that the Jackson Public Schools now serve junk food.  In fact, when I
started teaching (in Florida in '65), I was amazed at the difference
between the cafeteria food and the food I was used to in school
cafeterias.  We always had a meat and two vegetables, plus bread and
milk.  There was some choice in those items, but there was no choice
about the basic categories.  (If there were any vegetarians in my
schools, I'm sure they had special letters from home and were
accommodated, but I don't remember any.)  In elementary school, we were
required to eat our lunches.  In junior high and high school, we could
eat or not eat whatever, but we had to go through the line and get the
whatevers.  At no stage in my schooling was anybody allowed to skip
lunch or to bring food from home.  And back in those olden days there
were no vending machines or such.  And it was totally illegal to leave
the school grounds during the school day -- as in one couldn't run home
to eat, even if one lived across the street.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>>        By coincidence, one of my students who was saggin' today lost
>>>his jeans while he was performing the part of Mark Antony in
>>>front of the class.
>>>
>>All the way down?  Was there <tittering>?  I'm suddenly reminded of the
>>fat man in the tube station in London whose pants were pulled down by
>>the turnstile.
>>
>
> My favorite jeans down story comes from a high school classroom of mine.
> One day a male stood up about halfway an English class and took off his
> pants. This caused quite a stir for a moment - until we realized that he
> had one two pairs. It had been one of those cold in the morning, warm by
> mid-afternoon days in Beaumont, TX.
>
> The teacher was not amused.


        Oh, Ellie and I were extremely amused.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>>         By coincidence, one of my students who was saggin' today lost
>> his jeans while he was performing the part of Mark Antony in
>> front of the class.
>
>All the way down?  Was there <tittering>?  I'm suddenly reminded of the
>fat man in the tube station in London whose pants were pulled down by
>the turnstile.

My favorite jeans down story comes from a high school classroom of mine.
One day a male stood up about halfway an English class and took off his
pants. This caused quite a stir for a moment - until we realized that he
had one two pairs. It had been one of those cold in the morning, warm by
mid-afternoon days in Beaumont, TX.

The teacher was not amused.

Bethany

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Also - be certain that it accomodates containers more than 4 inches high -
we have a really crappy one in the English Deparment that accomodates only
tiny little coffee cups. It's basically useless.

Bethany

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Do any of you have recommendations?
>
>Make sure it has a turntable.

Yes - I forgot to mention that.

Bethany

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 7:18:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
A good book. I wish my copy hadn't been ruined when my mom's basement
flooded back in the early 90's.


>>

Yep!  I have both (Only Yesterday and Since Yesterday).  I wish I could
get a series of books about 1900 - 1920 (I think they're called Our Times).
But I have to buy a new computer for me and a vacuum (Kenmore) for
Mom.

Evelyn Duncan
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They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>We always had disgusting government surplus food (such as that disgusting
>yellow cheese). Did I mention it was disgusting? Oh, we had foil surprise

Reminds me of grade school the year I went to school in Waelder, Texas.
While we waited for the school bus (which came when the BIG KIDS got out
of class), we raided the garbage cans behind the school cafeteria. Our
favorite find was the little foil packets of powdered yellow food
coloring that was supposed to be used to color the margarine (called
oleomargarine then) - until sometime later in the 1940s, it had to be
sold au natural - white - and when it was used for cooking, the coloring
was not used. We could do a LOT of damage with those little packets!

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  This caused quite a stir for a moment - until we realized that he
> had one two pairs. It had been one of those cold in the morning, warm by
> mid-afternoon days in Beaumont, TX.

And I'm remembering now when a tennis friend on one of those
cold-morning/warm-later days starting pulling off the warmups she had on
over her tennis shorts and accidentally pulled off everything.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Besides, you seem to avoid being sleepy much more effectively than me.

Only because I go to bed early!

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 7:07:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Marie Ascher wrote:

> This may be weird but I never heard of a woman getting her hair cut in a
barbershop.

Nor had I until Bethany's posting.
>>

I have.  A number of women in the 1920s who wanted to get their hair
bobbed went to barbershops.  I think there was a mention of this in
Only Yesterday, but it's going to take time to go through my books
and find that one.

Evelyn Duncan
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They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

>  That was when I became sharply aware of the price difference!

It is quite amazing.  We've had some lunch discussions of haircut
prices.  About half of the males in my usual lunch group go to beauty
parlors, though I found out that they pay less than females (three of
them go to the same one I go to -- or used to go to -- I pay $45 for a
dry cut, while they pay something like $25).  Several others use barber
shops and pay tiny amounts.

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I love my Sharp Carousel II convection microwave oven. It's the only
microwave oven I have ever owned. I bought it (it was the demo model
that had been used for weekly cooking classes for a year) from Proffitt's
the year we switched from quarters to semesters. We got an extra monthly
paycheck that year, and I spent mine on such items. That was about 1985,
so I have had it a long time. I wonder if I should get a new one?

I strongly recommend convection.

Bethany

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 7:24:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
I strongly recommend convection.

>>

Yes, but a convection microwave costs quite a bit ($300 and
more), while a standard microwave you can get for $100 - 150.
But convection microwaves are great for combination cooking
(using the microwave and then the convection).

Evelyn Duncan
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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>But I have to buy a new computer for me and a vacuum (Kenmore) for

What kind of computer do you plan to buy?

Bethany

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>  That was when I became sharply aware of the price difference!
>
>It is quite amazing.  We've had some lunch discussions of haircut
>prices.  About half of the males in my usual lunch group go to beauty
>parlors, though I found out that they pay less than females (three of
>them go to the same one I go to -- or used to go to -- I pay $45 for a
>dry cut, while they pay something like $25).  Several others use barber
>shops and pay tiny amounts.

When I decided to return to the Western Plaza Barber Shop, I was paying
$50 to a stylist I had followed from Salon Visage (after your time, N) to
her own salon. At WPBS, I pay $12.50 - and do not have to make an appt.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Your school doesn't serve hot lunches?  I hate to be like these old
>
>         Of course it does.  And the food isn't bad.  But I only get a
> 1/2 hour, and I don't want to spend a single second of it in
> a noisy cafeteria with rowdy kids.  That's the only peace I
> get.

I'm surprised at the "of course it does" from what I've read and heard
about today's school cafeteria offerings.  From what I've read "hot
food" means pizza.  A half hour is generous compared to my experiences
as both a student and a teacher.  We had something like 16 minutes for
lunch when I was teaching jr high and high school.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >> Ah, I knew that you were a person of discretion ...
> >
> >Aha, now I perhaps understand. Well, carelessly and quickly as I've read, I
> >shouldn't intervene here at all, I guess.
>
> Please intervene.

Oh. A nice request should require some fulfilling on my part, but, sorry, I do
not know what to say any more. You said,

>You can discuss it while I am gone.

also other people said some things; I said I agreed to Ann. I feel I shouldn't
have started with it at all, I just got confused at finding an answer to a post
allegedly of mine that I'm quite sure I didn't send. Somehow it seems to me, you
and Natalie can make it up yourselves. Isn't it so? I really do not know what to
say any more and I am a bit sorry for that, but I'd rather be quiet than make
things worse -- no idea how to make them better at the moment.

Till tomorrow..

Kristin

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

><<
>I strongly recommend convection.
>
>Yes, but a convection microwave costs quite a bit ($300 and
>more), while a standard microwave you can get for $100 - 150.
>But convection microwaves are great for combination cooking
>(using the microwave and then the convection).

Yes- that's why I bought the demo model from Proffitt's - all my friends
were very <gelous> - I'm sure I paid under $200 - and I got a full
warranty.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Your school doesn't serve hot lunches?  I hate to be like these old
>>>
>>        Of course it does.  And the food isn't bad.  But I only get a
>>1/2 hour, and I don't want to spend a single second of it in
>>a noisy cafeteria with rowdy kids.  That's the only peace I
>>get.
>>
>
> I'm surprised at the "of course it does" from what I've read and heard
> about today's school cafeteria offerings.  From what I've read "hot
> food" means pizza.  A half hour is generous compared to my experiences
> as both a student and a teacher.  We had something like 16 minutes for
> lunch when I was teaching jr high and high school.


        I wouldn't bother to eat if I had 16 minutes to stand in line
and shove something down my throat.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???

Get a real computer.

-aht

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> > Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???
>
>Get a real computer.
>-aht

Thanks Ann.   And when I do, maybe I can find a better list to join also.

          --bonniev

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> I think the big difference here is probably time, not place.  My guess
> is that the Jackson Public Schools now serve junk food.  In fact,
> when I
> started teaching (in Florida in '65), I was amazed at the difference
> between the cafeteria food and the food I was used to in school
> cafeterias.  We always had a meat and two vegetables, plus bread and
> milk.  There was some choice in those items, but there was no choice
> about the basic categories.

There were certain things I really loved in my high school cafeteria. The stuffed shells (always served with a side of string beans), the meatball sandwich, the spaghetti with meat sauce, the salad bar, and the tater tots. Oh, and I was very very happy when they started serving orange drink instead of that nasty white stuff.

In general I could usually find something healthful to eat.

Marie

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 7:48:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
What kind of computer do you plan to buy?

>>

I'd like one with at least 30 GB HD, 256 MB RAM, Windows
XP and Word.  I have a monitor and printer.

I'm wondering if the software I have will work with XP.
Some of it was written for Win95.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

Kristin, I appreciate your posts - all I really meant was, "please keep
the dialogue going" - not necessarily on the topic of screwing or not.

Bethany

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> I just got confused at finding an answer to a post
> allegedly of mine that I'm quite sure I didn't send.

You know, something is niggling around in my brain right now that makes
me think I said that to Clo, not to you.  If so, I apologize for the
misattribution!

> Somehow it seems to me, you
> and Natalie can make it up yourselves. Isn't it so? I really do not know what to
> say any more and I am a bit sorry for that, but I'd rather be quiet than make
> things worse -- no idea how to make them better at the moment.

Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.  It was only
others who jumped in saying that it was nasty for me to allude to
Bethany in that punning.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I wouldn't bother to eat if I had 16 minutes to stand in line
> and shove something down my throat.

That was just <the way it was> when I was in school and when I was
teaching jr high and high school.  We had no choice.  I'm wondering now
whether teachers had choices of skipping lunch when I was teaching.
Probably we did.  But I did not make that choice.  I needed susteance to
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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

><<
>What kind of computer do you plan to buy?
>
>I'd like one with at least 30 GB HD, 256 MB RAM, Windows
>XP and Word.  I have a monitor and printer.
>
>I'm wondering if the software I have will work with XP.
>Some of it was written for Win95.

Too bad - I am thinking of giving away an iMac.

Bethany

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> Thanks Ann.   And when I do, maybe I can find a better list to join also.

Need suggestions, I'm here for ya.

-a

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 8:48:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

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Too bad - I am thinking of giving away an iMac.

>>

That would be nice; thank you.  But my favorite software was
all written for Windows.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> In general I could usually find something healthful to eat.

I am perhaps underestimating the knowledge of school children to guess
that many would not seek out what is healthful if given lots of
choices.  I really do think that I would have known, even by first
grade, a little bit about nutrition.  My mother pounded it into our
heads that not eating green vegetables meant instant death.  But still I
think that many school children might need some pushing in that
direction.  In looking around me in the MSU cafeteria at what some
students are choosing (even though there are plenty of healthful
choices), I have the impression that not all children, even those 18-22
or so, much less younger, were blessed with a mother who beat into them
the eat-green-or-die belief.  I see students choosing things like a meat
and potatoes and macaroni and bread.  I've even seen one of my
colleagues (a very fat Spanish professor) eat macaroni as a side-dish
with a meat -- as opposed to the <meat course> -- and nothing green.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>You know, something is niggling around in my brain right now that makes
>me think I said that to Clo, not to you.  If so, I apologize for the
>misattribution!

You did say it to Clo.

>Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.  It was only
>others who jumped in saying that it was nasty for me to allude to
>Bethany in that punning.

And of course I missed all that, since I was nomail.

We're cool, AFAIK, Natalie.

Bethany

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I'm wondering if the software I have will work with XP.
> Some of it was written for Win95.

I've found nothing at all incompatible with XP.  The software I have is
(I think without exception) software I ran with Win95.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.  It was only

In fact, I was so amused that I forwarded the header and text of the post
to my spiritual director, saying that words-l continues to be fascinated
by celibacy. He wrote:

---
Re: Giving up on Screwing.  There is a line in one of Robert A. Heinlein's
books where the character (who has lived four or five hundred years) says
that there is a finite (hence boring) number of ways to experience 'the
slippery friction of mucous membranes'.  When ever folks get too intense
about the significance of screwing, I throw that into the pot!
---

Bethany

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>
> > A local friend said she's surveying people about their microwaves --
> > whether they love their brands and what those brands are.  Hers -- one
> > dating back to when microwaves were new -- has died, so she's interested
> > in recommendations.
> >
> > Do any of you have recommendations?
>
> I've been very happy with the one Sharp microwave I've owned. It's worked
> well for the almost 8 years I've had it and has never given me a lick of
> trouble.
>
> --Adam

As long as it's big enough to cook a turkey ;)

I've had mine for 13 years and got it from a friend whose boyfriend moved in
with her. Duplicate appliance. I've had some snickers from men over it. They
claim it probally generates lethal dosages of radiation. So far, I still
have two arms and two legs...no odd appendages. I'm fine with it. Why
replace what's not broken?

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >You know, something is niggling around in my brain right now that makes
> >me think I said that to Clo, not to you.  If so, I apologize for the
> >misattribution!
>
> You did say it to Clo.

Why didn't somebody say that earlier to set Kristin's mind at ease about
wondering why I had mentioned her??

> >Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.  It was only
> >others who jumped in saying that it was nasty for me to allude to
> >Bethany in that punning.
>
> And of course I missed all that, since I was nomail.

There wasn't really much of it to have missed.  I thought of you when
doing my "giving up on screwing" header re my mini-blinds project and
therefore made that reference to you.  It was in no way intended as
<nasty> or whatever somebody suggested that it was.  But I don't
remember there being much discussion.  Just somebody hopping in and
suggesting it was <nasty> and my saying that it was certainly not
intended as <nasty>.

> We're cool, AFAIK, Natalie.

Thank you for saying that!  As an <insecure> human being, I get worried
when people suggest that things I've said or done are in no way like
what I thought they were.

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> > I think the big difference here is probably time, not place.  My guess
> > is that the Jackson Public Schools now serve junk food.  In fact,
> > when I
> > started teaching (in Florida in '65), I was amazed at the difference
> > between the cafeteria food and the food I was used to in school
> > cafeterias.  We always had a meat and two vegetables, plus bread and
> > milk.  There was some choice in those items, but there was no choice
> > about the basic categories.
>
> There were certain things I really loved in my high school
> cafeteria. The stuffed shells (always served with a side of
> string beans), the meatball sandwich, the spaghetti with meat
> sauce, the salad bar, and the tater tots. Oh, and I was very very
> happy when they started serving orange drink instead of that
> nasty white stuff.
>
> In general I could usually find something healthful to eat.
>
> Marie

I'll get a chance to remember my high school cafeteria experience this Sept
when I attend my 25th Reunion. It'll be a rather small gathering...no
spouses....church (gag....sorry to offend some of you)...a luncheon served
by girls in uniform (we had spring & fall uniforms). Usually chicken salad
with almonds & grapes. That'll be at San Domenico (formerly: School for
Girls) and we'll all drive to the East Bay to Orinda to spend the evening at
one of my classmate's home. I'll be going with my two best friends. I'm
looking forward to it, as of now. I remember vats of peanut butter eaten
with oyster crackers. And lots of mystery meat.

Sandra

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This is a job ad I saw today on Craigslist:

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At 06:52 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 10:13:21 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
> > At 08:45 AM 5/28/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >>I am severely over-committed right now and legal cases are a priority. So
> >>I will not, after all, be going to Durham for the weekend, hence will not,
> >>after all, have breakfast with Phyllis on Sunday. I delivered all messages
> >>to her. She replied:
> >>
> >>---
> >>Tell everyone I said "hey!"
> >>
> >>And maybe I will do Beachfest next year.
> >>----
>
> > That would be totally cool!  I hope I can do it.  I don't know if anyone
> > else will be working here.
>
>Oooh, that makes me feel good.:(

Not pretty.  They are offering a new program with the acronym SMART .  You
can voluntarily reduce your time and income but not lose benefits.

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At 07:52 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Your school doesn't serve hot lunches?  I hate to be like these old
>>>        Of course it does.  And the food isn't bad.  But I only get a
>>>1/2 hour, and I don't want to spend a single second of it in
>>>a noisy cafeteria with rowdy kids.  That's the only peace I
>>>get.
>>
>>I'm surprised at the "of course it does" from what I've read and heard
>>about today's school cafeteria offerings.  From what I've read "hot
>>food" means pizza.  A half hour is generous compared to my experiences
>>as both a student and a teacher.  We had something like 16 minutes for
>>lunch when I was teaching jr high and high school.
>
>
>        I wouldn't bother to eat if I had 16 minutes to stand in line
>and shove something down my throat.

You could just flush it down the toilet.

B

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 8:55:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I've found nothing at all incompatible with XP.  The software I have is
(I think without exception) software I ran with Win95.


>>

Good!  Then I can still have my Catz.  Of course, I'll have to adopt them
all over again, but it will be nice to have kittenz again.

And I have a C++ compiler that I'd like to load on the new one.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-05-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > I like the idea of people's reflections in art work
> You would!

I think you totally realize how deeply offensive are your stupid remarks.

Ann

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Massacre Allegations Of Armenians Disproved By Foreign Archives

Anadolu Agency - ANKARA
5/27/2003

IGDIR - The massacre allegations of the Armenians have been disproved by
academic researches.

According to foreign archives and documents, it is seen that more than 1
million 400 thousand Armenians who are claimed to face massacre during the
World War I lived after the war.

A research, titled ''Armenians Who Migrated'' carried out by the Turkish
History Authority (TTK) in the light of documents found from the archives
in the United States, Britain, Geneva, Italy, France, Germany, Austria and
Russia, once more reveals that the massacre allegations of the Armenians
are deceiving.

TTK Chairman Prof. Dr. Yusuf Halacoglu told A.A correspondent on Tuesday
that they would show the public opinion with their academic work that the
Armenian allegations were totally unfounded basing on the foreign archives
and documents.

Halacoglu said that they started their research last August and they
planned to complete it till the end of that year.

They were searching the places where the Armenians living in Ottoman
territories migrated, Halacoglu noted.

Halacoglu recalled that they found 50-60 thousand microfilms and
photocopies in the foreign archives regarding the issue.

''We have found the Armenian population living in the Ottoman territories
before and after the World War I, the migration routes of the Armenians,
the names of passengers of boats, migrant registration books, and the
doctorate thesis of the Armenians. The research carried out in the light
of all these documents will be turned into a book till the end of the
year. We have searched objectively the archives in the United States,
Britain, Geneva, Italy, France, Germany, Russia and Austria,'' Halacoglu
said.

Halacoglu noted, ''we have proved that more than 1 million 400 thousand
Armenians who are claimed to die so far did not face massacre and lived.
We will put forth this reality.''

Drawing the attention that the majority of the Armenians who died in the
World War I were the Armenians who fought among the ally armies as
soldiers according to the documents of the League of Nations, Halacoglu
said, ''there were Armenians who fought and died in the war. The number of
the Armenians who fought and died in the war is around 200 thousand.''

Halacoglu said that the Armenian massacre allegations continued to
increase and that in the first allegations, it was claimed that 600
thousand Armenians were killed.

That figure was increased to 800 thousand and then to 1.5 million later,
Halacoglu stated.

Halacoglu said, ''in the end, it is claimed that 2 million Armenians were
killed. We have once more revealed that these allegations are unfounded.''

TTK made the mass grave excavation in Igdir Tuzluca, Halacoglu stated.

Halacoglu pointed out that they would carry out a new excavation in Kars
Derecik in June and they would continue to open the mass graves within the
scope of a certain plan.

They would carry out excavations in a part of old Van city where the
Armenians made the most destruction, Halacoglu said.

Halacoglu noted that the massacre made by the Armenians were being
revealed by mass graves.

''However, the Armenians who are claimed to face massacre and the states
who support the so-called genocide can't show a single mass grave
belonging to the Armenians claimed to be killed. Therefore, it is seen
that the issue is totally political,'' Halacoglu said.

Halacoglu stated that they would publish the book in Turkish, French,
Italian, German, Spanish and Arabic, adding, ''this is not a book of
propaganda. It will be a serious academic book.''

======================================================================


Armenian Massacre of Turks Revealed After 84 Years



 Igdir, TURKEY, May 28, 2003 - A massacre of Turks by Armenians that
occurred on April 24, 1919 has been brought to light in Turkey's eastern
province of Igdir.  Light was shed on the massacre perpetrated by the
Armenians with the opening of a mass grave that was witnessed by European
scientists and journalists. Ninety-six bodies out of a total of 150 Turks
who were massacred at a house in Gedikli Village were exhumed after 84
years. While deep sword and hatchet wounds were found on the heads of the
deceased, some of them also appeared to have been killed by shotguns. In
addition to bones, numerous swords, cutting tools and rifle bullets were
found during the exhumation.

Grandchildren of the victims living in the village watched the excavation,
conducted under the supervision of Van Yuzuncu Yil University's Professor
Abdulselam Ulucam and the Turkish History Foundation. Yusuf Halacoglu,
chairman of the foundation, said they had found nearly 100 mass graves of
people massacred by the Armenians during their research and that they
planned to open up all of the mass graves in order to disprove Armenian
allegations of genocide. Noting that nearly 150 people had lost their
lives in the massacre at Gedikli, Halacoglu said some of them had been
buried by their relatives and that 96 bodies were found in the mass grave.

Halacoglu stated that the Armenians had been waging a worldwide campaign
in support of their genocide allegations for years, while Turkey to date
had done nothing to shed light on the realities of the situation. Adding
that the Armenians had launched 41,000 Internet sites alleging that the
Turks had "committed genocide," Halacoglu commented: "We have proved by
these mass graves that the Armenians massacred the Turks. If they have
this kind of proof, they should reveal it. They should say, 'They
massacred there; there is a mass grave here,' so that we can open it up
and have a look."

Zaman newspaper /Habib Guler, Emin Oztop / Igdir / TURKEY

=====================================================================
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Turkish Daily News, 28 May 2003
Foreign archives refute Armenian genocide claims
  _____

Armenian genocide claims were refuted with scientific research carried out
by the Turkish History Institution (TTK) depending on foreign archives,
Anatolia news agency reported yesterday.

The research, named "The Armenians Who Migrated", was carried out in the
light of the documents derived from British, American, Italian, French,
German, Austrian and Russian archives.

It's unveiled that those 1,400,000 Armenians who were claimed to be
massacred by the Ottomans during World War I lived after the war.

TTK Chairman Prof. Yusuf Halacoglu told the Anatolia news agency that the
scientific research put forth that Armenian claims were unfounded and that
they would present the research to the world with foreign archives'
documents.

Probing where the Armenians living on Ottoman lands migrated during World
War I, the research started last August and is planned to be completed by
the end of this year.

Stressing they documented that the Armenians, who were claimed to have
been massacred by the Ottomans during World War I, lived after the war,
Halacoglu noted that the Armenians who had been killed during the war were
those who had joined in the allied forces' armies. Halacoglu added that
some 200,000 Armenian soldiers had been killed during the war.

Halacoglu said that they determined many mass graves belonging to Turks
who had been massacred by the Armenians in eastern provinces, underlining
that they would continue their excavations.

Halacoglu noted that the research would be turned into a book by the end
of this year, adding that they used 50-60,000 documents in their research.
He emphasized that the book would be published in Turkish, French,
Italian, German, Spanish and Arabic languages.


Turkish Daily News, 28 May 2003
Researchers discover mass grave belonging to Turks at Mount Agri

* A team of scientists started an excavation in the eastern province of
Igdir to unearth a mass grave of 96 Turks who had been massacred by the
Armenians during World War I
  _____
=====================================================================


Researchers discovered a new mass grave belonging to Turks at the foot of
Mount Agri, legendary Mount Ararat, Anatolia news agency reported
yesterday.

A team of researchers headed by Van Yuzuncu Yil University Prof.
Abdulselam Ulucam started an excavation in eastern province of Igdir's
Gedikli village in order to unearth a mass grave belonging to 96 Turks who
had been massacred by the Armenians on January 24, 1919.

This will be the ninth mass grave proving the massacres carried out by
Armenian gangs in Anatolia during World War I.

The excavation started yesterday and is followed by Turkish and foreign
reporters as well as scientists.

Turkish History Institution (TTK) Head Prof. Yusuf Halacoglu told
reporters before the excavation that they determined the place of the mass
grave after they found documents regarding the massacre in the Ottoman
archives and received information from the children of three people who
were at the time rescued from the massacre.

Halacoglu said that the archives and the witnesses divulged that the
Armenians coming from neighboring villages had massacred 150 Turks in
Gedikli village.

Halacoglu noted that the Armenians had committed many massacres in Igdir
and Kars between 1917 and 1918, emphasizing that there were around 100
mass graves belonging to Turks in this region.

Stressing that the Turks were massacred on the contrary to the Armenian
genocide claims, Halacoglu called on Armenians to prove whether they had
mass graves too.

Halacoglu said that they invited many foreign correspondents and
scientists to the excavation but said that most of them did not come.

Only two Austrian scientists, El Ahram newspaper's Turkey Representative
Abdel-Halim and a French freelance journalist Nicolas Chevron watched the
excavation on Tuesday.

The researchers yesterday unearthed some of the bones of Turks, including
a fractured skull that the scientists believe was cracked with an ax.

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At 09:45 PM 5/28/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >You know, something is niggling around in my brain right now that makes
> >me think I said that to Clo, not to you.  If so, I apologize for the
> >misattribution!
>
>You did say it to Clo.
>
> >Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.  It was only
> >others who jumped in saying that it was nasty for me to allude to
> >Bethany in that punning.
>
>And of course I missed all that, since I was nomail.
>
>We're cool, AFAIK, Natalie.

Oh, good.  It was Bad Nurse Borkin who was trying to cause
trouble.  Sometimes people just don't <get> it.

Betty

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At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.  It was only
>
>In fact, I was so amused that I forwarded the header and text of the post
>to my spiritual director, saying that words-l continues to be fascinated
>by celibacy. He wrote:

I think I am opposed to forwarding posts and/or headers.  Please don't do that.

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" quoted:
> ---
> Re: Giving up on Screwing.  There is a line in one of Robert A. Heinlein's
> books where the character (who has lived four or five hundred years) says
> that there is a finite (hence boring) number of ways to experience 'the
> slippery friction of mucous membranes'.  When ever folks get too intense
> about the significance of screwing, I throw that into the pot!
> ---

Neat.  I'm glad you sent it to him, and I love his response (though I do
think screwing is a good thing).

And that reminds me of the funny conversation I had yesterday with the
blood-sucker.  In asking all the questions, which keep changing, there
was something about whether I had had sex with somebody any time since
1970 who had ever lived in Africa.  I said no and then said, "as far as
I know."  She said something about how she usually wanted to know where
all somebody had lived when their relationship got "deep."  I said that
I agreed with that but that sometimes somebody might spend a semester on
sabbatical in Africa and you might not know that.  The conversation went
on and was funny -- and friendly -- i.e., she didn't think I was a
tainted blood source -- we were just kind of shooting the bull since
there was no line waiting behind me at that time.  I find the
blood-suckers fun to talk to.  They all live in Meridian, which is where
the blood-mobile comes from.  They're all young and almost all African
American.  I'm guessing that it is a low-wage job, but they do seem to
know some things about blood.  They were excited that I was there
yesterday and that my blood sank and my pulse was ok since, as I've said
many times before, I have <very special blood> -- not only universal
donor but also cvt or crv or whatever negative -- as in the blood they
give to newborns.  The blood-suckers love me.  After the sex
conversation with the question-asker, I had some good dog converations
with the actual blood-sucker.  She had just taken in a new dog, who was
harassing the cat.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 6:50:11 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I've been very happy with the one Sharp microwave I've owned. It's worked
> well for the almost 8 years I've had it and has never given me a lick of
> trouble.

I've had an Emerson for... at least 10 years.  With no problem.

Karen

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On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> It is quite amazing.  We've had some lunch discussions of haircut
> prices.  About half of the males in my usual lunch group go to beauty
> parlors, though I found out that they pay less than females (three of
> them go to the same one I go to -- or used to go to -- I pay $45 for a
> dry cut, while they pay something like $25).  Several others use barber
> shops and pay tiny amounts.

I recently went to a salon and had my hair cut for $12. It's a
surprisingly good cut for that price.

Karen

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Would trying to open a gigantic photo cause Bonnie's computer to crash the
way she described? I have ME as well and just reboot.  No problems.

Betty

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I need a new microwave ... there is a region somewhere in the 2nd
or 3rd minute which blows the whole apartment's lights out when
the dial goes through it. But how can I bring the damn thing home?
Man, microwaves are heavy.

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sandra wrote:

> spouses....church (gag....sorry to offend some of you)...a luncheon served

I was the instigator of a church reunion the Sunday morning at the end
of my last hs class reunion.  And I am so very glad I did it.  It wasn't
an official part of the reunion.  I just spread the word to my church
friends that it would be a neat thing to do, and one of the locals told
the preacher, who announced our presence (at the very end of the service
-- after the tv quit rolling, I think).  We then all ate lunch together
at the church -- a church lunch that started after we were grown and
gone, except for those who stayed in Jackson.  Anyway, it was a great
experience, and suggesting it is one of the few things in my life that I
can tell myself yay-me for having done.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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02003-05-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 28 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-05-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > I like the idea of people's reflections in art work
> > You would!
>
> I think you totally realize how deeply offensive are your stupid remarks.

Need suggestions, I'm here for ya.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 9:21:27 PM, Betty wrote:
> Not pretty.  They are offering a new program with the acronym SMART .  You
> can voluntarily reduce your time and income but not lose benefits.

I have friends who are doing that.

Karen

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Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":

http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg

You're most welcome!

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I was the instigator of a church reunion the Sunday morning at the end
>of my last hs class reunion.  And I am so very glad I did it.  It wasn't

At the one high school class reunion I went to, the organizer encouraged
us to show up at her very Presby church on Sunday morning. Many of us did.
It was fun - we got recognized. And I won some money, somehow - I can't
remember how - I donated it.

Bethany

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At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
>
>http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
>
>You're most welcome!


Hair!

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Betty wrote:

>I think I am opposed to forwarding posts and/or headers.  Please don't do that.

Be that way. I often quote.

Bethany

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On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I need a new microwave ... there is a region somewhere in the 2nd
> or 3rd minute which blows the whole apartment's lights out when
> the dial goes through it. But how can I bring the damn thing home?
> Man, microwaves are heavy.

Taxi, my man, taxi.

Karen

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02003-05-28 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > This may be weird but I never heard of a woman getting her hair
> > cut in a barbershop.
> >
> > Marie
>
> How about this: the barbershop I've gone to since age 17 is owned and
> operated by a woman.

My dear GOD, don't you at all get nervous? Women barbers are all the
same ... they BREATHE. They start in an unsuspicious way, but midway
through the process they are breathing all over you! No, this is not
some stupid Seinfeld routine. It's a FACT, after whose verification
I never strayed from the Bryn Mawr under-the-tracks shop. Only a few
times when I was going to give a presentation did I go to "Gino's Hair
Design" on 29th, where no women work either.

It's good not to worry about haircuts, though, all in all.

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02003-05-28 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I need a new microwave ... there is a region somewhere in the 2nd
> > or 3rd minute which blows the whole apartment's lights out when
> > the dial goes through it. But how can I bring the damn thing home?
> > Man, microwaves are heavy.
>
> Taxi, my man, taxi.

Thanks, I'll make a note of it.

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02003-05-28 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
> >
> >http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
> >
> >You're most welcome!
>
> Hair!

Cut by a MAN

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At 09:58 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-28 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
> > >
> > >http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
> > >
> > >You're most welcome!
> >
> > Hair!
>
>Cut by a MAN

Ryan is getting his pony tail cut off tomorrow. He is not going to a
barbershop.  He is going to "The Whole Nine Yards".

Betty

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 9:48:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":

> http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg

> You're most welcome!

Is that a wig?

Karen

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02003-05-28 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:58 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-05-28 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
> >> >
> >> >http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
> >> >
> >> >You're most welcome!
> >>
> >> Hair!
> >
> >Cut by a MAN
>
> Ryan is getting his pony tail cut off tomorrow. He is not going to a
> barbershop.  He is going to "The Whole Nine Yards".

And what's that?

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
> http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg

=swoonarooni=

& nice shirt.

Ann

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> Be that way. I often quote.

I'm with Betty on this.  Isn't it Written somewhere?  The world is going
to hell.

I'm SURE there is a rule somewhere:  Don't quote without permission, and
if you do quote w/o permission don't frikkin tell the person/people you've
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Ann

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I'm home.  He was dismissed late in the afternoon
and it was a long drive home.  Gene has been fed,
doped, and put to bed. I am exhausted.  Sara's here
with me, but she ran out to the farm to see her
grandkids.

I have not read all the list mail and probably never
will, but I did catch all your notes of encouragement
and I thank you.

Gene is doing fine, just feeling weak and tired tonight.
It is so hard to adjust to normal life after major surgery.
But a fishing buddy stopped in and brought him some
fish fresh from the lake, and that gave him a lift.  He
hopes to be out in the boat again himself soon.

            - D. M.

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At 10:26 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-28 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 09:58 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-05-28 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > >> At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >> >Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
> > >> >
> > >> >http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
> > >> >
> > >> >You're most welcome!
> > >>
> > >> Hair!
> > >
> > >Cut by a MAN
> >
> > Ryan is getting his pony tail cut off tomorrow. He is not going to a
> > barbershop.  He is going to "The Whole Nine Yards".
>
>And what's that?

A shop probably run by a WOMAN.

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At 10:43 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>Gene is doing fine, just feeling weak and tired tonight.
>It is so hard to adjust to normal life after major surgery.
>But a fishing buddy stopped in and brought him some
>fish fresh from the lake, and that gave him a lift.  He
>hopes to be out in the boat again himself soon.

Excellent!  Thanks for the update, Doris.

Betty

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Remember Alyce's ET that Jeff gave her for Christmas? Well, he's mine,
now, and has pride of place on my coffeetable. I make him happy by
making him fly--I certainly understand why Alyce enjoyed him. This
morning, my phone rang, and it was ET#1. So all 3 of us talked for a
while. It was nice to be all 3 ET's together!

I'm sleeeeepy, but I want to play...

Karen

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>What kind of computer do you plan to buy?
>
>>>
>
>I'd like one with at least 30 GB HD, 256 MB RAM, Windows
>XP and Word.  I have a monitor and printer.

You'd have more difficulty buying a computer with lesser specs. :-)  20-30
GB, 256 MB, and XP seem to be the default minimum anymore.  The only
significant added cost to your proposed system is Word, which, of course,
comes in the Office package and nowhere else.

My new computer at home is a home-built special with 256M DDR RAM (it was
really cheap with the rebate), 120 GB HD (again, a rebate made it cheap),
and an Athlon XP 2100+ (as if I needed to say it, on sale and cheap at the
price).  Through my campus's license, I've been able to legally install
Windows 2000 and Office 2000 at no cost to myself; otherwise, I would have
gone with an all-Linux solution.  (My other boot partition is SuSE; I've
saved space on the disk to try out other OSes.)

The total cost, with rebates, was a little more than I would have paid for
one of the cheapest machines available off-the-shelf at Frys (with XP,
without Office) -- about $500.  The general rule of do-it-yourselfing
applied; I didn't actually save any money by doing it myself, but I got a
better system overall for a price that was not much more than I would have
paid for a basic off-the-shelf system.  I wouldn't recommend the DIY
approach to anyone not comfortable applying thermal grease to a $150
processor chip, but so far it's worked for me. :-)

>I'm wondering if the software I have will work with XP.
>Some of it was written for Win95.
>
>Evelyn Duncan

The only way to find out is to try it.  If you haven't already found
someone who is running that particular software on that particular OS, then
if I were you I would *assume* that it won't work; that way, if it doesn't
work, you'll already have a Plan B ready to go, and if it does work, you'll
be pleasantly surprised. :-)

Ken Miller
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>> > Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???
>>
>>Get a real computer.
>>-aht
>
>Thanks Ann.   And when I do, maybe I can find a better list to join also.
>
>          --bonniev

If you didn't enjoy exquisitely barbed phatic drivel, why would you be on
this bog of self-reference in the first place?

I would be glad to help you if I could, but I don't have any experience
with Windows ME, and my experience with other Windowsen only gives me
general insights, not specific advice.  I have a couple of cow-orkers who
have ME on their machines, and tomorrow I can take a look at those systems
(if meetings don't take up the whole day), but off-hand I couldn't even
tell you if ME can be booted in Safe Mode, let alone where to put clean
copies of your system VXD files if it could be.

Lest I seem to have been dismissive above, your problem appears to be
solveable -- from your description, it may well be that it is only a few
files that are corrupt, not the filesystem itself -- but probably at some
point you're going to have to have a Windows 98 boot floppy, clean copies
of the corrupted files, and a knowledge of where exactly to put the clean
copies.  If I were you, I would take Alec's excellent advice and call
Dell's tech support first.  They may have a solution that is quicker,
easier, and more sure than any solution I could suggest.

Side note: the next time you buy a computer, insist on getting everything
you need to re-install the system from scratch yourself.  You paid for it,
you deserve to receive it, and you can be hosed if you don't have it.  The
bitter truth is that eventually *every* computer will fail, often
catastrophically.  Those who do not externally save their data, as well as
the installation disks for their important applications, are in for some
disappointment.

Ken Miller
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Bonnie writes,

>Thanks, Natalie.  I don't know how to reformat the disk and I don't think I
>have the disks to reinstall the os.

The "Reinstallation CD" is probably good enough.  It might be worth trying
to figure out how to either format the drive or get it to do a clean install.

Anyway, this looks like the appropriate Microsoft page for your problem:

<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=258471>.

You'll need a startup disk and your sleeves rolled up.  (And probably a
pocket protector and tape on the bridge of your glasses...)

It might be that you need to make a new startup disk.  If you have access
to another WinME machine (and a formatted floppy), you can make a startup
disk like so:

<http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;267287>.

You might also try holding the Control key while the computer is booting,
and see if you get some useful startup option -- although I think WinME
doesn't have a way to get a command prompt that way.

Not an option, I know, but: in this day of cheap mass storage, a Silicon
Valley nerd would hie herself down to Fry's (Best Buy, Office Depot or
Staples would do elsewhere) and buy a new 80-gig drive for $70 (after
rebate) or so.  Then she'd install the 80-gigger as the C: drive, leave the
old drive as D:, and install Windows on the new C: drive.

(Okay, really she'd partition the 80-gigger and install Linux *and*
Windows, but I didn't want to make it sound complicated.)

Pete

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Bookrat writes,

>Those who do not externally save their data, as well as the installation
>disks for their important applications, are in for some disappointment.

And I'm using an even more extreme approach: keep your data and OS on
separate partitions, back them up externally, and regularly re-initialize
the OS partition to keep the cruft down -- and so you know you can.

Pete

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02003-05-28 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 28 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
> > http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
>
> =swoonarooni=

Shouldn't that be "swoonorinki"?

> & nice shirt.

Thank you Dr Borkin ... still wear it

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02003-05-28 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> >> > Now what do I do??  Can anyone help, please???
> >>
> >>Get a real computer.
> >>-aht
> >
> >Thanks Ann.   And when I do, maybe I can find a better list to join also.
> >
> >          --bonniev
>
> If you didn't enjoy exquisitely barbed phatic drivel, why would you be on
> this bog of self-reference in the first place?

That wasn't exquisitely barbed, it was LAME.

Good suggestion, though ...

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At 10:33 PM -0700 5/28/03, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-05-28 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
>> If you didn't enjoy exquisitely barbed phatic drivel, why would you be on
>> this bog of self-reference in the first place?
>
>That wasn't exquisitely barbed, it was LAME.

Smoochiekins backatcha, babe.

>Good suggestion, though ...

Hey, this is *my* United States of Whatever.

Ken Miller
Liam Lynch School of Attitude Adjustment

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In a message dated 05/28/2003 9:47:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
But how can I bring the damn thing home?

>>

Buy it on the Internet; Target.com ships through Amazon.com.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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i'm glad Gene is home, Doris, and I hope that you can take some
time for yourself, to rest and recharge your batteries.

{{{{{hugs}}}}}

Evelyn Duncan
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Afaik, things aren't bad at all between me and Bethany.

>
> We're cool, AFAIK, Natalie.

That was what I hoped myself. Besides, you've ftf-ed long before Bethany
attended the list, haven't you?

Kr.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm home.  He was dismissed late in the afternoon
> and it was a long drive home.  Gene has been fed,
> doped, and put to bed. I am exhausted.  Sara's here
> with me, but she ran out to the farm to see her
> grandkids.
>
> I have not read all the list mail and probably never
> will, but I did catch all your notes of encouragement
> and I thank you.
>
> Gene is doing fine,

Good news! I hope you'll get good rest soon, too.

And how about your own surgery yet to be done? I guess you've had little
time to think about it.

Kristin

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Kristin, I appreciate your posts -

Thanks

> all I really meant was, "please keep
> the dialogue going" - not necessarily on the topic of screwing or not.

:-D On a reason I cannot tell for sure it makes me laugh.

Kr.

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  I make him happy by
> making him fly--I certainly understand why Alyce enjoyed him. This
> morning, my phone rang, and it was ET#1. So all 3 of us talked for a
> while. It was nice to be all 3 ET's together!
>
> I'm sleeeeepy, but I want to play...

:-) Take him to your bed with you, and let him fly until you both go to
sleep.

Kristin

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> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > > > When you test a usage, it's a good idea to use the construction you're
> > > > testing. "two guys" is not the same as "you guys".  --Karen
> > >
> > >The question Dan asked was whether I found "guys" not gender neutral.
> > >  -- Natalie
> >
> > Here's one the examples Kristin was looking for awhile back of how Natalie
> > subtly changes the subject in order to win a point.

I am at the beginning of this thread. I half-unconsciously noticed the first signs
of where this discussion might turn but wasn't so quick yet to jump to any
conclusion.

> Huh?  There was nothing <subtle> about what I said.

LOL. I do not say either 'yes' or 'no' yet, but I'm interested what'll come next.

> And the usage handbooks used to say that one must use "his" in a
> sentence like "a good doctor should be kind to his patients."  His is
> gender-neutral in such a sentence.

This will encourage me to use it in that way. I perhaps thought one should mostly
use "he or she". It is so boring and seems unnecessary, especially if there's no
that problem in our language. But I've thought as it is not me who should make rules
how to speak or write English I've tried to follow the rule, as I thought it to be,
of mentioning pronouns of both sexes. It seems more a rule of politeness than that
of grammar, or of not sounding sexist, or of being
socially/sexuologically/politically(?) correct. (No word there like "sexuological"?
But "sexually correct" sounds hilarious to me!)

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
> > The problem with generic he was, like your doctor example, that
> > most of the doctors were men, so generic he was sexist.
>
> But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
> tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.  Iow, it's ok to be
> man-like, but it is not ok to be woman-like.

This is not even a matter of a language but a matter of different cultures,
I think. May it be that people in a totally different society take that in
another way? Is there a totally different society in the world left any
more? A matriarchy?

If this has been discussed earlier, maybe I've mentioned an example somebody
once gave (a female Estonian linguist): when you say, "A man crossed the
street," and, "A woman crossed the street", then, according to her the
former sounds more neutral -- so, a man crossed a street, yes; whether young
or middle-aged, whether in a suit or jeans, nobody would start thinking
about. Hearing the latter sentence one most likely, and not on purpose,
tries to imagine whether the woman was tall or short, did she have a dress
or pants on, a hat, maybe, high or low heels, etc. The imagination just
starts to work. -- But this may be due to a generally greater variety of
outfits of women -- which again is a matter of culture.

And surely many people would say that these two sentences are equally
neutral.

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Betty wrote:

> >I don't like "one" either.  I have an acquaintance who uses it often and
> >sounds very goofy, imho.  He goes on and on with "if one does this, then
> >one finds that [etc]."  But guess what was used like "one" in earlier
> >stages of English?  Man!
>
> Oh, no!  I'd rather have one, than man.

As to different developments of Germanic languages: 'man' in German sounds as
neutral, I guess, as a pronoun may sound. They also write it with a minuscule
initially* : "man sagt" - "it is said; one would say"; "man kann nie wissen" --
"you never know". While Mann 'man' is written with a capital, and orally the
constructions of sentences are perhaps slightly different, and then there is the
distinctive duration of  'n'. Convenient!

* A question: I've been often in trouble with and never find a normal idiomatic
expression when I need to say that a word is to be written with either a capital
or small letter initially. Please somebody take down for me the two most ordinary
expressions how to say it for both cases: A proper name is written..., etc.
Thanks.

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> <<
> I've found nothing at all incompatible with XP.  The software I have is
> (I think without exception) software I ran with Win95.
> >>
>
> Good!  Then I can still have my Catz.

But it is quite possible that not everything from Win95 will work on
XP.  I don't really use very many applications.  I'm trying to think now
what all I installed on this computer that I had had on the old one
(which started out running Win95 but which became Win98 shortly
thereafter -- free upgrade since I had bought it just a week or so
before Win98 came out).  Wordperfect 8 is one thing.  And my Scrabble
game.  Lview Pro.  FamilyTreeMaker.  I can't think what else.

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Kristin Sarv:
= Betty wrote:
=
= > >I don't like "one" either.  I have an acquaintance who uses it often and
= > >sounds very goofy, imho.  He goes on and on with "if one does this, then
= > >one finds that [etc]."  But guess what was used like "one" in earlier
= > >stages of English?  Man!
= >
= > Oh, no!  I'd rather have one, than man.
=
= As to different developments of Germanic languages: 'man' in German sounds as
= neutral, I guess, as a pronoun may sound. They also write it with a minuscule
= initially* : "man sagt" - "it is said; one would say"; "man kann nie wissen" --
= "you never know". While Mann 'man' is written with a capital, and orally the
= constructions of sentences are perhaps slightly different, and then there is the
= distinctive duration of  'n'. Convenient!
=
= * A question: I've been often in trouble with and never find a normal idiomatic
= expression when I need to say that a word is to be written with either a capital
= or small letter initially. Please somebody take down for me the two most ordinary
= expressions how to say it for both cases: A proper name is written..., etc.
= Thanks.
=
= Kristin

A proper name is written with an initial capital letter.
Capitalize all proper nouns.

Not using a capital letter in English is more of a negative
construction.

Capitalize important words in titles.  Prepositions, articles and
conjunctions are not capitalized unless they are the first word
of the title.

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Betty wrote:

> >        I wouldn't bother to eat if I had 16 minutes to stand in line
> >and shove something down my throat.
>
> You could just flush it down the toilet.

I don't remember that there were restrooms connected to our school
cafeterias.  I'm sure there wasn't in elementary school, where the
principal stood by the return-tray place to make sure we'd eaten our
lunches.  She'd shake the milk cartons to make sure that people hadn't
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Betty wrote:

> I think I am opposed to forwarding posts and/or headers.  Please don't do that.

I have forwarded every response to the Microwave survey to my friend
who's in need of one.  And she has expressed a big thank-you for all of
them.  She's interested that Sharp keeps showing up.  And she said that
she printed out Evelyn's detailed response to take with her when
shopping because she found it full of information.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg

SEXY!!  So when was that taken?  Are you no longer bald, or was that
pre-baldness?

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I'm glad you're home!  I'm sure things will be quite busy there for a
while, but it is still good that you're back in your nest.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> It might be worth trying
> to figure out how to either format the drive or get it to do a clean install.

Doesn't the plain, old 'format c:' command still work?

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> That was what I hoped myself. Besides, you've ftf-ed long before Bethany
> attended the list, haven't you?

Oh yes.  I remember Bethany from '74-'76, although I didn't really get
to know her until later than that -- until sometime after I turned into
a linguist around '80ish.

It's quite likely that at some point in the mid '70s Bethany, Bonnie,
and I were all in the same room at the same time -- the lounge area on
the 12th floor of McClung Tower.  I find it funny to think about that --
about how the three of us were in that room without any idea that many
years later we'd be sitting here at our computers debating religion or
food or Tushar's hair or whatever.

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Evelyn,

I have a copy of Win95 Catz and an XP machine at home.   I haven't yet
installed Catz  but will try to get to that before the weekend is out.
 At least then you will know about one application :-)

Rita L.

>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
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>><<
>>I've found nothing at all incompatible with XP.  The software I have is
>>(I think without exception) software I ran with Win95.
>>
>>
>>Good!  Then I can still have my Catz.
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>>

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > And the usage handbooks used to say that one must use "his" in a
> > sentence like "a good doctor should be kind to his patients."  His is
> > gender-neutral in such a sentence.
>
> This will encourage me to use it in that way.

Note the "used to say" part.  I don't think any handbooks today would
encourage that usage.

> I perhaps thought one should mostly
> use "he or she". It is so boring and seems unnecessary, especially if there's no
> that problem in our language. But I've thought as it is not me who should make rules
> how to speak or write English I've tried to follow the rule, as I thought it to be,
> of mentioning pronouns of both sexes.

The best thing to do if it is possible in the context is use plural,
thus getting rid of the pronoun problem.  E.g., "Good doctors should be
kind to their patients."  If you have to use a singular pronoun, you're
going to offend somebody by any choice you make:  some people will
object to "his" as sexist; some people will object to "his or her" as
awkward and cluttery; some people will object to "their" as a violation
of pronoun-antecedent agreement.  Using "they" or "their" has pretty
much taken over in casual conversation.  And it's often used in writing,
sometimes with a statement in the preface of a book that that is the
conscious choice being made by the writers/editors.  I'm pretty sure
that the National Council of Teachers of English came out in favor of
the "they" usage many years ago.

> It seems more a rule of politeness than that
> of grammar, or of not sounding sexist, or of being
> socially/sexuologically/politically(?) correct. (No word there like "sexuological"?
> But "sexually correct" sounds hilarious to me!)

I love "sexually correct"!  Yes, re it's a matter of social things.  But
the idea is sort of Whorfian -- that your language influences your view
of the world and that a language that uses a male pronoun generically
might influence its speakers to consider males more <important>.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > But then, as we've discussed before, it's ok to call a little girl a
> > tomboy but not to call a little boy a sissy.  Iow, it's ok to be
> > man-like, but it is not ok to be woman-like.
>
> This is not even a matter of a language but a matter of different cultures,
> I think.

Right, it's not a matter of language exactly.  I used it as an example
of how our culture considers it better to be "male like" than to be
"female like."  Iow, it's related to the "you guys" thing in that people
might say "you guys" to females but not "you gals" to males.

> May it be that people in a totally different society take that in
> another way? Is there a totally different society in the world left any
> more? A matriarchy?

Good questions.  What is considered <appropriate behavior> for the sexes
varies culturally.  I'm trying to remember where it is that women are
expected to be aggressive in speech while men nod politely.  But it's
interesting that the nodding politely is the benchmark sort of -- i.e.,
that it's still males who are determining <good> and <bad>.

> If this has been discussed earlier, maybe I've mentioned an example somebody
> once gave (a female Estonian linguist): when you say, "A man crossed the
> street," and, "A woman crossed the street", then, according to her the
> former sounds more neutral -- so, a man crossed a street, yes; whether young
> or middle-aged, whether in a suit or jeans, nobody would start thinking
> about. Hearing the latter sentence one most likely, and not on purpose,
> tries to imagine whether the woman was tall or short, did she have a dress
> or pants on, a hat, maybe, high or low heels, etc. The imagination just
> starts to work. -- But this may be due to a generally greater variety of
> outfits of women -- which again is a matter of culture.
>
> And surely many people would say that these two sentences are equally
> neutral.

Interesting example.  Interesting topic in general, but I'm starving to
death and need to go eat something.

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > What was nasty about it?  I wrote the subject header "Giving Up on
> > Screwing" with the pun in mind.  When Kristin responded, it occurred to
> > me that she wasn't here back when Bethany was discussing her celibacy
> > vow, which is, afaik, the only time we've had a list discussion about
> > "giving up on screwing" and thus was the allusion in my header.  So I
> > mentioned it to Kristin.  Why was that nasty?
>
> Search as I do but I cannot find another message in my mailbox where you've
> mentioned it *to me*.
>

Natalie mis-spoke - she meant that she explained it to me, clo.
clo

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steph wrote:

>  a capital
> = or small letter initially. Please somebody take down for me the two most ordinary
> = expressions how to say it for both cases

> A proper name is written with an initial capital letter.
> Capitalize all proper nouns.
>
> Not using a capital letter in English is more of a negative
> construction.

> Capitalize important words in titles.  Prepositions, articles and
> conjunctions are not capitalized unless they are the first word
> of the title.

Thank you! I must both save it as a file and also take down the sentences in pencil in
the dictionaries I use most often. And also the remark about mostly negative
construction.

Kristin

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> > >You know, something is niggling around in my brain right now that makes
> > >me think I said that to Clo, not to you.  If so, I apologize for the
> > >misattribution!
> >
> > You did say it to Clo.
>
> Why didn't somebody say that earlier to set Kristin's mind at ease about
> wondering why I had mentioned her??

It didn't occur to me that it mattered. I was nomail when Kristin began to
worry, and I'm still catching up.
clo

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 11:36:26 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Not an option, I know, but: in this day of cheap mass storage, a Silicon
> Valley nerd would hie herself down to Fry's (Best Buy, Office Depot or
> Staples would do elsewhere) and buy a new 80-gig drive for $70 (after
> rebate) or so.  Then she'd install the 80-gigger as the C: drive, leave the
> old drive as D:, and install Windows on the new C: drive.

This is what I did.

Karen

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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm home.
>
> Gene is doing fine, just feeling weak and tired tonight.
> It is so hard to adjust to normal life after major surgery.
> But a fishing buddy stopped in and brought him some
> fish fresh from the lake, and that gave him a lift.  He
> hopes to be out in the boat again himself soon.
>

Doris,
glad you are home, and hope you got lots of sleep. I'm sure you needed it.

I'm sure he will be in that boat soon - though maybe not as soon as he
wanted. I'm so glad things went well. Did they end up doing just the one
bypass? I think they often find more when they go in.

clo

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> And how about your own surgery yet to be done? I guess you've had
little
> time to think about it.
>
> Kristin

The surgeon decided not to do the second eye
at this time, so I'm picking up my new glasses
today and I'm all set for the time being.

          - D. M.

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> Doris,
> glad you are home, and hope you got lots of sleep. I'm sure you needed
it.
>
> I'm sure he will be in that boat soon - though maybe not as soon as he
> wanted. I'm so glad things went well. Did they end up doing just the
one
> bypass? I think they often find more when they go in.
>
> clo

Just the one bypass.  It was interesting to see how that
surgery has improved.  When my mother had bypass
surgery they slit her leg open to get a vein to use.  Then
that incision got a staph infection and it took months
to heal.  A common story in those days.

With Gene, they made a small incision near the knee and
pulled a vein out.

He was up and walking the hall the first day of surgery.
Not far, of course, and not fast.

                               - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv:
= steph wrote:
=
= >  a capital
= > = or small letter initially. Please somebody take down for me the two most ordinary
= > = expressions how to say it for both cases
=
= > A proper name is written with an initial capital letter.
= > Capitalize all proper nouns.
= >
= > Not using a capital letter in English is more of a negative
= > construction.
=
= > Capitalize important words in titles.  Prepositions, articles and
= > conjunctions are not capitalized unless they are the first word
= > of the title.
=
= Thank you! I must both save it as a file and also take down the sentences in pencil in
= the dictionaries I use most often. And also the remark about mostly negative
= construction.
=
= Kristin

You're welcome.  Glad to have helped.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Doesn't the plain, old 'format c:' command still work?

Yes, if she gets to a DOS prompt and she's running the format command from
the floppy, and not C:.  WinME makes those kinds of things a little
trickier than before.  There might be another way to do it, too, from the
reinstall CD or something.

BTW, this looks like a good page about reinstalling the OS:
<http://www.burzurq.com/forum/format_reinstall.html>.  dos.li5.org no
longer has boot disks as it says, but bootdisk.com (also referred to) does
appear to.

Pete

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Natalie:
>We had something like 16 minutes for lunch
>when I was teaching jr high and high school.

22.5 minutes here; for half the period, I
was assigned to keep those apes under some
semblance of control.

--
Richard        stand looking at the sky

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Iow, it's related to the "you guys" thing in that people might say "you
>guys" to females but not "you gals" to males.

Except in cases of close-knit dominance/irony, when a coach, drill sergeant
or team leader might say something like, "Okay, ladies, this time let's go
win!" to an all-male team.  (At least in movies or TV -- I'm not sure how
much it happens in real life.)

Pete

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02003-05-29 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
>
> SEXY!!  So when was that taken?  Are you no longer bald, or was that
> pre-baldness?

Thank you kindly, Dr Maynor. That picture was probably taken in '98.
Because that's the last time I had a new camera.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> when a coach, drill sergeant
> or team leader might say something like, "Okay, ladies, this time let's go
> win!" to an all-male team.

Why do I read it, "Oki, lidees...", with [ai]-sound? :-)

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > > And the usage handbooks used to say that one must use "his" in a
> > > sentence like "a good doctor should be kind to his patients."  His is
> > > gender-neutral in such a sentence.
> >
> > This will encourage me to use it in that way.
>
> Note the "used to say" part.  I don't think any handbooks today would
> encourage that usage.

Aha, I will. Otherways I might think that these are good old decent handbooks that
encourage good English not out of date.

> The best thing to do if it is possible in the context is use plural,
> thus getting rid of the pronoun problem.  E.g., "Good doctors should be
> kind to their patients."

> I'm pretty sure
> that the National Council of Teachers of English came out in favor of
> the "they" usage many years ago.

A good thing to be remembered. Thanks.

Kristin

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> Pity the poor traveler who needs to make a flight change after giving
> money to the airlines - it's now almost impossible to avoid losing the
> total cost of the original ticket. My agent, however - UT's agent -
has
> negotiated some <deals> whereby one can avoid some of the 100%
penalties.
> Bravo travel agents!
>
> Bethany

I always save money by using my travel agent,
even though there's a small charge for her service.

                         - D. M.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.

Alyce just rolled over 7 times.

Marie

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:24 PM
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Being that the esophagus is connected to the stomach, it is
>related. If you
>> have reflux issues or gastric issues, Fosomax is not very good.
>
>What about if you don't have such issues?  Might Fosomax eat up your
>esophagus, stomach, intestines and lead to problems?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Ask a gastro doctor.


alec

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Marie:
>> An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.
> Alyce just rolled over 7 times.

My eyes gagged on that too, but then
I figured it's a mountain climber's
term.

But speaking of gagularity, I looked
on M-W.com, and see they have it listed
as a verb meaning "to participate in a
summit conference".

--
Richard        stand looking at the sky

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> Marie:
>>> An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.
>> Alyce just rolled over 7 times.
>
> My eyes gagged on that too, but then
> I figured it's a mountain climber's
> term.

Yep.

> But speaking of gagularity, I looked
> on M-W.com, and see they have it listed
> as a verb meaning "to participate in a
> summit conference".

This is definitely high on the gagularity scale.

Karen

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> From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.
>
> Alyce just rolled over 7 times.

I doubt it.

Karen

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> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
>
> SEXY!!  So when was that taken?  Are you no longer bald, or was that
> pre-baldness?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Great hair! Nice shirt!

Sandra

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
>>> An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.
>> Alyce just rolled over 7 times.
>
>My eyes gagged on that too, but then
>I figured it's a mountain climber's
>term.
>
>But speaking of gagularity, I looked
>on M-W.com, and see they have it listed
>as a verb meaning "to participate in a
>summit conference".

It?

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:25 PM
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>
>
>In a message dated 05/28/2003 7:48:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
>dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
><<
>What kind of computer do you plan to buy?
>
>>>
>
>I'd like one with at least 30 GB HD, 256 MB RAM, Windows
>XP and Word.  I have a monitor and printer.
>
>I'm wondering if the software I have will work with XP.
>Some of it was written for Win95.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.
>

Most Win95 software will work with XP. You can run XP in a compatibility
mode if not.


alec

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Bethany:
>It?

No, summIT.

--
Richard        stand looking at the sky

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I meant to post this yesterday, but I think I forgot:

Pre-boot Execution Environment

is acronymed P*X*E instead of PEE.

I've been euphemismed!

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:27 PM
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Much deleted.

CMV negative.



>many times before, I have <very special blood> -- not only universal
>donor but also cvt or crv or whatever negative -- as in the blood they
>give to newborns.  The blood-suckers love me.  After the sex
>conversation with the question-asker, I had some good dog converations
>with the actual blood-sucker.  She had just taken in a new dog, who was
>harassing the cat.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
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>Would trying to open a gigantic photo cause Bonnie's computer
>to crash the
>way she described? I have ME as well and just reboot.  No problems.
>
>Betty
>

Nope!


alec

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At 07:11 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >   A hot lunch now and then would be nice, but I'm
> > doomed to sandwiches and salads.
>
>Your school doesn't serve hot lunches?  I hate to be like these old
>people who talk about the good old days, but it was true re food.  We
>always had excellent food at ridiculously low prices in the school
>cafeterias in my childhood.  Always hot food.  Always nutritious.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Good food in the school cafeteria went out in 1953.

lisa
who grew up in a time when Reagan consider ketchup a vegetable.

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At 09:48 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's one for your collection, "Borinki":
>
>http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg
>
>You're most welcome!

It's too blurry. Can you fix that? If you're gonna do it, do it right dammit.

lisa

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> I've even seen one of my
> colleagues (a very fat Spanish professor) eat macaroni as a side-dish
> with a meat -- as opposed to the <meat course> -- and nothing green.

Oh! The horrors!

I think of mac and cheese as a side dish -- perfect with ribs or pulled pork. Although I would seek something green, and don't think this is how one ought to eat every day, I don't see how this is particularly noteworthy.

Marie

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> > http://www.samant.com/img/mirrorproject.jpg

Nice picture. You look like Fareed Zakaria.

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 >Would trying to open a gigantic photo cause Bonnie's computer
> >to crash the
> >way she described? I have ME as well and just reboot.  No problems.
> >
> >Betty
>
>Nope!
>
>alec

Something was already corrupted?

Betty

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Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
chief source for many of the front page exclusives
on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
Chalabi had a huge stake in pushing the US to war and
she seems to have passed on information from him
without corroboration, verification nothing. Following
the publication of her scoops Miller went on dozens of
teevee shows as an "expert" helping build up the buzz
and make the case for war.

I don't know whether this was personal ambition, if
she was played for a dupe by Chalabi or was working
another angle. In the email she talks about Chalabi
being responsible for "most of the front page
exclusives on WMD" but there's no mention of the fact
that none of the WMD stories have been proved true.
She just seems satisfied that they were exclusives!

This blows my mind. I'm not surprised the INC tried
to peddle false intelligence but surprised that
responsible reporters have turned out to be so
gullibe.

-rashmi

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
> >Would trying to open a gigantic photo cause Bonnie's computer
>> >to crash the
>> >way she described? I have ME as well and just reboot.  No problems.
>> >
>> >Betty
>>
>>Nope!
>>
>>alec
>
>Something was already corrupted?
>
>Betty
>

?

alec

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At 07:43 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
>bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
>chief source for many of the front page exclusives
>on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
>Chalabi had a huge stake in pushing the US to war and
>she seems to have passed on information from him
>without corroboration, verification nothing. Following
>the publication of her scoops Miller went on dozens of
>teevee shows as an "expert" helping build up the buzz
>and make the case for war.
>
>I don't know whether this was personal ambition, if
>she was played for a dupe by Chalabi or was working
>another angle. In the email she talks about Chalabi
>being responsible for "most of the front page
>exclusives on WMD" but there's no mention of the fact
>that none of the WMD stories have been proved true.
>She just seems satisfied that they were exclusives!
>
>This blows my mind. I'm not surprised the INC tried
>to peddle false intelligence but surprised that
>responsible reporters have turned out to be so
>gullibe.

I've been suspect of reporters for a while.

Betty

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At 03:43 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
> >Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:58 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Computer crash question
> >
> >
> > >Would trying to open a gigantic photo cause Bonnie's computer
> >> >to crash the
> >> >way she described? I have ME as well and just reboot.  No problems.
> >> >
> >> >Betty
> >>
> >>Nope!
> >>
> >>alec
> >
> >Something was already corrupted?
> >
> >Betty
> >
>
>?

Apparently she was opening a huge photo when it crashed. What made it crash?

Betty

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:53 PM
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>
>At 03:43 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: English Language Discussion Group
>> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>> >Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:58 PM
>> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: Computer crash question
>> >
>> >
>> > >Would trying to open a gigantic photo cause Bonnie's computer
>> >> >to crash the
>> >> >way she described? I have ME as well and just reboot.
>No problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >Betty
>> >>
>> >>Nope!
>> >>
>> >>alec
>> >
>> >Something was already corrupted?
>> >
>> >Betty
>> >
>>
>>?
>
>Apparently she was opening a huge photo when it crashed. What
>made it crash?
>
>Betty

GOD!


alec

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Yup, you were a little cutie back in 46....

Nice to see bernardykins again, too.

dan

5/27/2003, 7:01 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I forgot to mention that in that enormous, tangled pile of mess on the
NM> closet floor was my scanner.  I pulled it out and connected it to the
NM> old computer in the junkroom.  And it works.  I just scanned a few old
NM> pictures as a test of it:

NM> http://www.maynor.net/Old/

NM> --
NM>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
NM>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>This blows my mind. I'm not surprised the INC tried
>to peddle false intelligence but surprised that
>responsible reporters have turned out to be so
>gullibe.

Yeah.  In general, I've thought the media have become pretty easy to
manipulate.  (As opposed to the good old days a century ago when the media
were themselves the manipulators, I guess.)

In some of my other circles, we're excited about OhMyNews, a Korean online
newspaper with essentially citizen reporters:

Dan Gillmor: A new brand of journalism is taking root in South Korea
<http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/5889390.htm>

Don Park: A living example of P2P Journalism
<http://www.docuverse.com/blog/donpark/2003/02/25.html#a291>

Pete

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In a message dated 05/29/2003 6:57:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
leonard@BC.EDU writes:

<<
I have a copy of Win95 Catz and an XP machine at home.   I haven't yet
installed Catz  but will try to get to that before the weekend is out.
At least then you will know about one application :-)

>>

Thanks, Rita!  I use that as my screensaver, and I like the catz from
the first program better than those from the others.  The catz in the
first program are cuter.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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In a message dated 05/29/2003 6:43:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
And she said that
she printed out Evelyn's detailed response to take with her when
shopping because she found it full of information.

>>

Thanks!  I'm glad to see that the past year and a half at Sears
didn't go to waste.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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02003-05-29 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> It's too blurry. Can you fix that? If you're gonna do it, do it right
> dammit.

I didn't know there would be such an immense groundswell of enthusiasm
about a dumb photo 5 years down the road. Otherwise I would have taken
my practice shot a bit better ... puh ...

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> ... puh ...

I love this noise, it's so.... foreign!!!!

Karen

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Spencer soooo wants to be a hunting dog.  He killed a baby squirrel in
the backyard a little while ago.  I was appalled.  He seemed joyous.
Apparently he wasn't interested in eating it himself.  I first became
aware of the murder when I heard him barking wildly.  I looked outside
and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.  I think he was trying to
summon the hunter to come take the prey.  I am not, however, a hunter.
I was grossed out beyond words.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> * A question: I've been often in trouble with and never find a normal idiomatic
> expression when I need to say that a word is to be written with either a capital
> or small letter initially. Please somebody take down for me the two most ordinary
> expressions how to say it for both cases: A proper name is written..., etc.
> Thanks.

A proper name is written with a capital letter.
A proper name is capitalized.

A common noun is written with a little letter.
A common noun isn't capitalized.

I've often thought about how the above statements could be confusing in
that somebody might think you used capital letters for the whole word.
But still the most usual way of saying it is not "capitalize the first
letter" but just "capitalize."  I guess these statements are made in
contexts where people would understand you meant just the first letter.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Thank you kindly, Dr Maynor. That picture was probably taken in '98.

Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Bravo travel agents!

I've found that I always do better without one.  When I have to use one,
I tell the agent about the best deals.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Ask a gastro doctor.

That's a good idea since an old friend of mine is that kind of doctor.
I really should visit them in Memphis more often.  I almost never do.
He's the one, while he was still a resident, who wrote the handwritten
"Natalie Maynor is in good health" that counted as my "medical approval"
for a Tennessee teaching certificate when I taught one year in Memphis.
They're the friends I sometimes ate with in the hospital cafeteria as
part of their "family" the year I lived in Memphis.  It wasn't that I
was trying to get free meals.  It's just that we'd end up getting
together there at times, and there was no way one could pay to eat
there.  It was for the hospital staff and their families.  I always felt
a bit guilty about it.

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> Marie:
> >> An interview with Pete Athans, who has summitted Everest 7 times.
> > Alyce just rolled over 7 times.
>
> My eyes gagged on that too, but then
> I figured it's a mountain climber's
> term.

It strikes me as a very good verb, although I hadn't seen it until now.
It's more efficient to say "summitted" than "reached the summit of."  I
guess you could say "climbed," but that wouldn't make clear that the
person had <gone all the way>.

> But speaking of gagularity, I looked
> on M-W.com, and see they have it listed
> as a verb meaning "to participate in a
> summit conference".

Simply a metaphorical extension of the efficient verbing.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> CMV negative.

Thank you.  I can't guarantee that I'll remember, though, so I will
probably say something like CRT again next time I mention it.  And it's
important for me to keep mentioning it since it's important to make
y'all aware of my <importance>.

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02003-05-29 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > ... puh ...
>
> I love this noise, it's so.... foreign!!!!

I learned it from a freshman on the U of Chicago local newsgroup.
Among other things he accused me of being a lame-o, advised me to
get a job, and ended the post with 'Nuff Said!

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Good food in the school cafeteria went out in 1953.

Well, Mississippi is famous for being behind.  Good food lasted in the
Jackson Public Schools through at least June '61.  I think it was still
good when I student-taught at my old hs in spring '65.  That's why I was
so shocked when I started my first regular teaching job in Florida in
fall '65 and found junk food being served in the cafeteria.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Thank you kindly, Dr Maynor. That picture was probably taken in '98.
>
> Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.

Woohoo, if I said that I would get sideswiped for buttkissing.
clo

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > I've even seen one of my
> > colleagues (a very fat Spanish professor) eat macaroni as a side-dish
> > with a meat -- as opposed to the <meat course> -- and nothing green.
>
> Oh! The horrors!
>
> I think of mac and cheese as a side dish -- perfect with ribs or pulled pork. Although I would seek something green, and don't think this is how one ought to eat every day, I don't see how this is particularly noteworthy.

The point I was making was about my mother's teachings.  I think it's
noteworthy that she managed to indoctrinate my brother and me to the
extent she did re food.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
> bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
> chief source for many of the front page exclusives
> on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!

Why is this addressed to Pete?  I mean there's nothing wrong with
addressing Pete.  I was just wondering why you singled him out for this
particular posting.

I've found the story quite interesting, btw.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> And she said that
> she printed out Evelyn's detailed response to take with her when
> shopping because she found it full of information.
>
> >>
>
> Thanks!  I'm glad to see that the past year and a half at Sears
> didn't go to waste.

She was impressed with your knowledge.  Those were I think her exact
words -- "I'm impressed with Evelyn's knowledge."

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> > How about this: the barbershop I've gone to since age 17 is owned and
> > operated by a woman.
>
> My dear GOD, don't you at all get nervous?

Not at all. Lisa (real name: Lucretia Maggiapinto or something like that)
knows how I like my hair and does a good job cutting it. I like giving her
too much of a tip.

--Adam
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02003-05-29 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> In some of my other circles, we're excited about OhMyNews, a Korean
> online newspaper with essentially citizen reporters:
>
> Dan Gillmor: A new brand of journalism is taking root in South Korea
> <http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/5889390.htm>
>
> Don Park: A living example of P2P Journalism
> <http://www.docuverse.com/blog/donpark/2003/02/25.html#a291>

I couldn't find any reference to ethics ... but plenty to "newsworthiness".
What are their methods of corroborating submitted stories? Is this a paper
or a "hacker-libertarian" slashdot site?

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02003-05-29 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Woohoo, if I said that I would get sideswiped for buttkissing.

This post is a pretty oblique way of butt-kissing!

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Not at all. Lisa (real name: Lucretia Maggiapinto or something like that)
>knows how I like my hair and does a good job cutting it. I like giving her
>too much of a tip.

I ennjoy tipping my Julia too much, also. When I am paying $12.50 instead
of $50, I really like to tip.

Bethany

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02003-05-29 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I don't buttkiss.  I just call a spade a spade.

Ah, that we had met in 98. How glory passes from the world

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
>
> Woohoo, if I said that I would get sideswiped for buttkissing.

I don't buttkiss.  I just call a spade a spade.

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Spencer soooo wants to be a hunting dog.  He killed a baby squirrel in
>the backyard a little while ago.  I was appalled.  He seemed joyous.
>Apparently he wasn't interested in eating it himself.  I first became
>aware of the murder when I heard him barking wildly.  I looked outside
>and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.  I think he was trying to
>summon the hunter to come take the prey.  I am not, however, a hunter.
>I was grossed out beyond words.

My congratulations to Spencer!

Murder? Not.

Bethany

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> At 07:43 PM 5/29/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
> >bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
> >chief source for many of the front page exclusives
> >on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
> >Chalabi had a huge stake in pushing the US to war and
> >she seems to have passed on information from him
> >without corroboration, verification nothing. Following
> >the publication of her scoops Miller went on dozens of
> >teevee shows as an "expert" helping build up the buzz
> >and make the case for war.
> >
> >I don't know whether this was personal ambition, if
> >she was played for a dupe by Chalabi or was working
> >another angle. In the email she talks about Chalabi
> >being responsible for "most of the front page
> >exclusives on WMD" but there's no mention of the fact
> >that none of the WMD stories have been proved true.
> >She just seems satisfied that they were exclusives!
> >
> >This blows my mind. I'm not surprised the INC tried
> >to peddle false intelligence but surprised that
> >responsible reporters have turned out to be so
> >gullibe.
>
> I've been suspect of reporters for a while.
>
> Betty

Seems like a lot of so-called journalists are turning out to be posers or
have questionable approaches to their work.

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Murder? Not.

Tell it to the squirrel's mother.  A living creature, a young one, is
now dead.  For what reason?

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I don't buttkiss.  I just call a spade a spade.
>
> Ah, that we had met in 98. How glory passes from the world

Yep.  Will you ever be able to achieve <that look> again?

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02003-05-29 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
> bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
> chief source for many of the front page exclusives
> on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
> Chalabi had a huge stake in pushing the US to war and
> she seems to have passed on information from him
> without corroboration, verification nothing. Following
> the publication of her scoops Miller went on dozens of
> teevee shows as an "expert" helping build up the buzz
> and make the case for war.
>
> I don't know whether this was personal ambition, if
> she was played for a dupe by Chalabi or was working
> another angle. In the email she talks about Chalabi
> being responsible for "most of the front page
> exclusives on WMD" but there's no mention of the fact
> that none of the WMD stories have been proved true.
> She just seems satisfied that they were exclusives!
>
> This blows my mind. I'm not surprised the INC tried
> to peddle false intelligence but surprised that
> responsible reporters have turned out to be so
> gullibe.

Ah, horse's ass ...

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sandra wrote:

> Seems like a lot of so-called journalists are turning out to be posers or
> have questionable approaches to their work.

I still think that reading a wide variety of news sources helps cut down
on being manipulated by certain media manipulators.

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02003-05-29 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> (real name: Lucretia Maggiapinto or something like that)

I think we should call Lisa this--that's how she is entered
in my d*ke-p*mp database

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
> >
> > Woohoo, if I said that I would get sideswiped for buttkissing.
>
> I don't buttkiss.  I just call a spade a spade.

Boy is this a non-sequiter. Getting sideswiped for a thing
is not the same thing as doing the thing. It ain't about who
buttkisses!

clo

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> > (real name: Lucretia Maggiapinto or something like that)
>
> I think we should call Lisa this--that's how she is entered
> in my d*ke-p*mp database

I was close. According to superpages.com it's Lucrezia Maggipinto.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:00:05 -0400
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--On Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:02 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> I looked outside
> and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.

How did you determine it was dead?

Terry

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Was it pushing up daisies?


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> --On Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:02 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
> <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
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> > I looked outside
> > and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.
>
> How did you determine it was dead?
>
> Terry

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Speaking of killing, we sprayed the large fields at PF this week - to
kill the buttercups! Otherwise, they take over! The horses were moved to
smaller fields temporarily.

Bethany

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Tell it to the squirrel's mother.  A living creature, a young one, is
>now dead.  For what reason?

Dead does not equal murder. Killing? Yes.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-29 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > I don't buttkiss.  I just call a spade a spade.
>
> Ah, that we had met in 98. How glory passes from the world

It tugs at my heartstrings.
clo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-29 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Woohoo, if I said that I would get sideswiped for buttkissing.
>
> This post is a pretty oblique way of butt-kissing!

I'll treasure this forever.
clo

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This is kind of interesting:

http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030528.ufilm0528/BNStory/International/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Dead does not equal murder. Killing? Yes.

Even though Spencer told me recently that he was going to kill that baby
squirrel?

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > Woohoo, if I said that I would get sideswiped for buttkissing.
> >
> > I don't buttkiss.  I just call a spade a spade.
>
> Boy is this a non-sequiter. Getting sideswiped for a thing
> is not the same thing as doing the thing. It ain't about who
> buttkisses!

No, not a n-s.  I meant that I am <known> here for not buttkissing.  One
must establish <credentials>.  I did not mean to suggest that your
sideswiping would be right.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> > I looked outside
> > and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.
>
> How did you determine it was dead?

Through the window I wasn't positive, although his stillness made me
suspect it.  When I went outside, his overall status looked very much
dead, but I did not lift his little arm and take his pulse.  Instead, I
went and consulted with a neighbor and his son-in-law in a nearby yard,
saying that I was horrified and didn't know what to do -- that I would
bury the squirrel but wasn't totally positive he was dead, though I was
pretty sure he was, and that I did not want to take the risk of burying
him alive.  They said to toss him over the fence to a weedy area.  So
that's what I did, though I was cringing the whole time -- when I
shoveled him and when I tossed him.  It was all appalling.

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Dead does not equal murder. Killing? Yes.
>
>Even though Spencer told me recently that he was going to kill that baby
>squirrel?

I notice that you said "kill."

Bethany

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I had been revving myself up for a messy, difficult job of washing
strange dogs at the co-op Saturday, worrying about how it was going to
work -- as in whether I would have to pick up a St. Bernard and plop him
into the water.  But the latest word is that the junior members of OCHS
(Oktibbeha County Humane Society) are going to do the washing -- they're
high school students.  So I'll get to work at the booth instead.  That
will be easy and fun.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >> Dead does not equal murder. Killing? Yes.
> >
> >Even though Spencer told me recently that he was going to kill that baby
> >squirrel?
>
> I notice that you said "kill."

Correct.  Is it not considered murder if somebody says "I'm going to
kill X" and then kills X?  Does the killer have to use the word murder
in advance for it to be considered murder?

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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:24:15 -0500
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Terry Wild wrote:
>
>
>>>I looked outside
>>>and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.
>>>
>>How did you determine it was dead?
>>
>
> Through the window I wasn't positive, although his stillness made me
> suspect it.  When I went outside, his overall status looked very much
> dead, but I did not lift his little arm and take his pulse.  Instead, I
> went and consulted with a neighbor and his son-in-law in a nearby yard,
> saying that I was horrified and didn't know what to do -- that I would
> bury the squirrel but wasn't totally positive he was dead, though I was
> pretty sure he was, and that I did not want to take the risk of burying
> him alive.  They said to toss him over the fence to a weedy area.  So
> that's what I did, though I was cringing the whole time -- when I
> shoveled him and when I tossed him.  It was all appalling.


        Well, you should have been here last week when Belle and
Vinnie got a rabbit, and then Belle puked part of it up on
the guest bed.  It was quite excellent.  Yesterday I picked
up some entrails in the back yard, but I don't know what
they may have belonged to.  Guts is guts.



--
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:31:55 -0400
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--On Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:57 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

  They said to toss him over the fence to a weedy area.  So
> that's what I did, though I was cringing the whole time -- when I
> shoveled him and when I tossed him.  It was all appalling.
>

You would not be happy cat owner, I see that.

I'm sure Spencer thought he was doing you a favor.  He was protecting you
from possible home invasion.

Terry

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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:34:41 -0400
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--On Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 PM -0500 Rita Chapman
<rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:

> Well, you should have been here last week when Belle and
> Vinnie got a rabbit, and then Belle puked part of it up on
> the guest bed.  It was quite excellent.  Yesterday I picked
> up some entrails in the back yard, but I don't know what
> they may have belonged to.  Guts is guts.
>

Thank goodness she doesn't live near a farm!  The things they roll in and
bring back are choice!

Terry

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Correct.  Is it not considered murder if somebody says "I'm going to
>kill X" and then kills X?  Does the killer have to use the word murder
>in advance for it to be considered murder?

Note these points:

1. So far, we have no witness to the act. All we know about Spencer is
that he was near the body AFTER the killing took place. Not even in
Mississippi is it <murder> to bark excitedly near a dead squirrel, I
think.
2. If in fact Spencer did kill the squirrel, it might have been an
accident or self defense.
3. In all jurisdictions, <murder> involves <persons>. Thus:

Miss. Code Ann. ¤ 97-3-19 Ê(2003)
¤ 97-3-19. Homicide; murder defined; capital murder
ÊÊÊ(1)ÊThe killing of a human being without the authority of law by any
means or in any manner shall be murder in the following cases:
ÊÊÊ(a)ÊWhen done with deliberate design to effect the death of the person
killed, or of any human being;
ÊÊÊ(b)ÊWhen done in the commission of an act eminently dangerous to others
and evincing a depraved heart, regardless of human life, although without
any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual;
ÊÊÊ(c)ÊWhen done without any design to effect death by any person engaged
in the commission of any felony other than rape, kidnapping, burglary,
arson, robbery, sexual battery, unnatural intercourse with any child under
the age of twelve (12), or nonconsensual unnatural intercourse with
mankind, or felonious abuse and/or battery of a child in violation of
subsection (2) of Section 97-5-39, or in any attempt to commit such
felonies.

I think Spencer needs a lawyer. Before you speak with him further, you
must communicate to him his Miranda rights.

Bethany

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> > Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
> > bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
> > chief source for many of the front page exclusives
> > on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
>
>Why is this addressed to Pete?

Because I was confident the post wouldn't be greeted with
"horse's ass".

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Note these points:
>
> 1. So far, we have no witness to the act. All we know about Spencer is
> that he was near the body AFTER the killing took place. Not even in
> Mississippi is it <murder> to bark excitedly near a dead squirrel, I
> think.

Yes, it is circumstantial evidence.  But one must consider the setting:
a fenced yard with no other squirrel predators present.  The squirrel
was not there an hour or so earlier.  What would cause a dead squirrel
to show up suddenly in such a setting, with the only other creature
present being a dog, who I might add, has already shown a killing
streak.  I saw him murder a bird.  And then there was that horrible day
when both Spencer and Buddy were mouthing a large rat.

> 2. If in fact Spencer did kill the squirrel, it might have been an
> accident or self defense.

I would have heard his yelps if he was being attacked by the squirrel.
Yelps are quite different from the barking I heard that alerted me to
the murder.  An expert witness in canine linguistics would make that
clear.  Re accidental death, only an autopsy could show whether this
youthful squirrel might have had a heart attack or fallen from a tree
with such force as to kill him.  I should perhaps go get the carcass and
take it to the vet school for real proof.

> 3. In all jurisdictions, <murder> involves <persons>. Thus:

Ah, but that is really speciescentric.  One must fight against such
biases.

> I think Spencer needs a lawyer. Before you speak with him further, you
> must communicate to him his Miranda rights.

But I am not sure that I am the correct one to communicate his Miranda
rights.  I am not even going to call the police on him.  That is wrong,
I know.  One should not let personal relationships interfere with
justice and right, but I find myself sinking into this pit of unethical,
immoral behavior because of love.  I even gave him his after-supper
treat, although I was thinking that I shouldn't because a murderer
shouldn't have a treat.  Still, I just can't stand the thought of him in
jail.  His little nose sticking out between the bars is more than I can
handle.

And speaking of caged dogs, I am happy to report that I went to the
shelter today and did not let myself look at the dogs at all.  There was
an e-mail plea for dog food, puppy food, and kitty litter this morning,
so I went to Winn-Dixie this afternoon and bought all of the above and
took it to the shelter.  I tentatively asked the people there whether
they needed me to walk dogs while I was there, and they said that the
high school volunteers had just done it.  So I said good and left.  I
hate seeing the dogs there because I want to bring them all home.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> You would not be happy cat owner, I see that.

Spencer once put a dead bird on my bed.  So I do understand the cat
thing.

> I'm sure Spencer thought he was doing you a favor.  He was protecting you
> from possible home invasion.

I do think he thought he was.  He had a huge smile and bright eyes and
was happy when I responded to his barking by going out into the
backyard.  In a way I hated my reaction to the horror because I know
that he thought he had done something great and deserved praise.
Whether he thought he was protecting us from a squirrel attack I'm not
sure.  I think it was more the hunting instinct -- that he thought he
was providing us food, but that I should take care of the food -- that I
should joyfully pick up the dead squirrel and cook it.

I think I got spoiled from all those years with Bernardykins, who was
terrified of squirrels, rabbits, birds, etc.  A murderer he was not.

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At 01:55 AM 5/30/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> > Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
>> > bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
>> > chief source for many of the front page exclusives
>> > on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
>>
>>Why is this addressed to Pete?
>
>Because I was confident the post wouldn't be greeted with
>"horse's ass".

Pay him no never mind. I always enjoy reading your take on stories.

How many horsies did you see this past week end?

b

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > > Are you following the NYT story (not that one) about
> > > bioterrorism reporter Judith Miller's admission that her
> > > chief source for many of the front page exclusives
> > > on Iraq's chemical, biological WMD was Ahmad Chalabi?!
> >
> >Why is this addressed to Pete?
>
> Because I was confident the post wouldn't be greeted with
> "horse's ass".

And you think others would have greeted it that way?  I think almost all
Wordslers are probably interested in and in synch with (as in surprised
by and disapproving of) what we've read about the Miller/Chalabi thing.
Note "almost."  I didn't say "all."

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Check in, JMW.  You've been absent too long.  That always worries me.
Have you run off to Mexico and been kidnapped?

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Natalie:

>I still think that reading a wide variety of news sources helps cut down
>on being manipulated by certain media manipulators.

But Judith Miller is *the* media-annointed bioterrorism expert
and she gets quoted by a wide variety of news sources. This
was a case of catching the manipulation at the source. Other
reason I got all excited by this story is that reporters usually
don't reveal their sources - it's very rare that someone of
Judith Miller's reputation acknowledges a source by name.

-rashmi

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Betty:

>How many horsies did you see this past week end?

Lots. There'e one field I love watching which about 20 moms
and babies. The little ones stick close to the moms for a few
weeks and then get adventurous and stray a little. They're
really fun to watch. Then there's another field with miniature
horses. Two of those have babies and they're terribly cute.
To make up for the cuteness we saw a couple of hedgehogs
double-team a neighbor's cat. We scared them away this
time but that cat better watch out. The hedgehogs looked
determined.

My friends and I explored Cecil County (MD) a little on Monday
and came across Hollywood Beach on the Chesapeake Bay.
Off the beaten track and very quiet. It's about 40 mins from
where I live.

-rashmi

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >I still think that reading a wide variety of news sources helps cut down
> >on being manipulated by certain media manipulators.
>
> But Judith Miller is *the* media-annointed bioterrorism expert
> and she gets quoted by a wide variety of news sources.

Yes, but I think I'm talking about a wider variety.  I've grown quite
skeptical of <mainstream media>.  Although I do think it's better to
read a wide variety, including right-wing out of open-mindedness, if a
decree suddenly came down allowing me only one media source (as in a
site that includes links to many other sources), it would be
www.informationclearinghouse.info.

> This
> was a case of catching the manipulation at the source. Other
> reason I got all excited by this story is that reporters usually
> don't reveal their sources - it's very rare that someone of
> Judith Miller's reputation acknowledges a source by name.

Yes.  As I said, I did find the story fascinating.  I started to blog it
but don't think I did.  My blogging is haphazard, depending on how
rushed I am, etc.  Not that it matters since I doubt very much that
anybody reads my blog.

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At 02:18 AM 5/30/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty:
>
>>How many horsies did you see this past week end?
>
>Lots. There'e one field I love watching which about 20 moms
>and babies. The little ones stick close to the moms for a few
>weeks and then get adventurous and stray a little. They're
>really fun to watch. Then there's another field with miniature
>horses. Two of those have babies and they're terribly cute.
>To make up for the cuteness we saw a couple of hedgehogs
>double-team a neighbor's cat. We scared them away this
>time but that cat better watch out. The hedgehogs looked
>determined.
>
>My friends and I explored Cecil County (MD) a little on Monday
>and came across Hollywood Beach on the Chesapeake Bay.
>Off the beaten track and very quiet. It's about 40 mins from
>where I live.

How many margaritas? :-)

Sounds like a great time.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> My friends and I explored Cecil County (MD) a little on Monday
> and came across Hollywood Beach on the Chesapeake Bay.
> Off the beaten track and very quiet. It's about 40 mins from
> where I live.

Speaking of MD, have you been reading about the trove of WOMD found
there?

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>Apparently she was opening a huge photo when it crashed. What made it crash?
>
>Betty

Something there is that wanted it to crash.  I could say "Elves" to her,
but it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather she said it for herself.

(Relevancy link: <http://www.bartleby.com/104/64.html>)

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> I've been suspect of reporters for a while.
           ^^^^^^^^
> Betty

Is Betty at the cooking sherry again, or is 'suspect' starting to replace
'suspicious'?

Ann

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Thursday, May 29, 2003, 8:31:55 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> You would not be happy cat owner, I see that.

Not all cats bring home <souvenirs>. Burl doesn't. She really smells
good, though--I think she was rolling around in the grass or
something, she has that Springtime Freshness that all the commercials
extoll. Two l's? Llooks weird either way.

> I'm sure Spencer thought he was doing you a favor.  He was protecting you
> from possible home invasion.

Yup, it's his <job>. I'm surprised Natalie doesn't get that.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yup, it's his <job>. I'm surprised Natalie doesn't get that.

ROFL.

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Bethany:

>Pity the poor traveler who needs to make a flight change after giving
>money to the airlines - it's now almost impossible to avoid losing the
>total cost of the original ticket. My agent, however - UT's agent -

Do people often change travel plans after paying for the ticket?
I don't. All my years of travelling and I've needed to do this
just twice - when my dad had to stay an extra few days in
hospital after aortal valve replacement surgery and then
recently when I had to extend my stay in Antwerp. They
were both emergencies, not something I need to plan for
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Thursday, May 29, 2003, 10:39:51 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Do people often change travel plans after paying for the ticket?

Yes.

> I don't. All my years of travelling and I've needed to do this
> just twice - when my dad had to stay an extra few days in
> hospital after aortal valve replacement surgery and then
> recently when I had to extend my stay in Antwerp. They
> were both emergencies, not something I need to plan for
> on a regular basis.

The thing is, when I've had to do it, I *really* had to do it. Like
when my Mom was dying.

Karen

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Karen:

>>Do people often change travel plans after paying for the ticket?
>  Yes.
[...]
>The thing is, when I've had to do it, I *really* had to do it. Like
>when my Mom was dying.

That's an emergency. I wouldn't include that in "often".

How many times have you changed air tickets in the last ten years?

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Thursday, May 29, 2003, 10:54:47 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> That's an emergency. I wouldn't include that in "often".

> How many times have you changed air tickets in the last ten years?

Well, I've hardly flown the last 3--only 3 times. But I've probably
changed tickets 5 times. That's when I had an income and $50 or $75
to change a ticket was nothing...

Karen

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Karen:

>Well, I've hardly flown the last 3--only 3 times. But I've probably
>changed tickets 5 times. That's when I had an income and $50 or $75
>to change a ticket was nothing...

Guess I'm cheap and used to travel on a shoestring and don't
budget for ticket changes.

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02003-05-30 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Natalie:
>
> >I still think that reading a wide variety of news sources helps cut down
> >on being manipulated by certain media manipulators.
>
> But Judith Miller is *the* media-annointed bioterrorism expert
> and she gets quoted by a wide variety of news sources. This
> was a case of catching the manipulation at the source. Other
> reason I got all excited by this story is that reporters usually
> don't reveal their sources - it's very rare that someone of
> Judith Miller's reputation acknowledges a source by name.

These are all symptoms of horse's ass. And there's a lot more
horse's ass in that industry...

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The difference between Natalie and Rita:


Rita Chapman:
= Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= >shoveled him and when I tossed him.  It was all appalling.
=
=
= the guest bed.  It was quite excellent.  Yesterday I picked

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=
= (Relevancy link: <http://www.bartleby.com/104/64.html>)

there's something unsettles me about that web page

The book was published in 1919, and so Frost was not yet dead.
Thus we have "Robert Frost. 1875-".  But the editor of the
anthology is now, so we have "Louis Untermeyer, ed. (1885-1977)"  But
he was not yet dead in 1919 either.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Do people often change travel plans after paying for the ticket?

I don't think I've ever done it.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Guess I'm cheap and used to travel on a shoestring and don't
> budget for ticket changes.

Me too.  I've always considered the buying of the ticket as the
<finalizing> of the plans (at least the arrival/departure plans).  No
changes after that.  Obviously I would have had to change if there had
been a real emergency, like a death or whatever.  But otherwise I stick
to the plans once the ticket is bought.

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steph wrote:
>
> The difference between Natalie and Rita:

Yep.  A hunter I am definitely not.  It seems a shame in a way for a dog
with Spencer's strong love of hunting to be stuck with somebody like
me.  Bernard, otoh, was a perfect match in that he was scared of birds
and squirrels and rabbits and such, trembled at the sound of fireworks
or the distant cannons of football games (and thus presumably would've
trembled at the sound of a gun), etc.

>
> Rita Chapman:
> = Natalie Maynor wrote:
> =
> = >shoveled him and when I tossed him.  It was all appalling.
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> =
> = the guest bed.  It was quite excellent.  Yesterday I picked

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > were both emergencies, not something I need to plan for
> > on a regular basis.
>
> The thing is, when I've had to do it, I *really* had to do it. Like
> when my Mom was dying.

Isn't that what Rashmi was talking about when she mentioned emergencies?

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At 07:38 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Thu, 29 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Spencer soooo wants to be a hunting dog.  He killed a baby squirrel in
> >the backyard a little while ago.  I was appalled.  He seemed joyous.
> >Apparently he wasn't interested in eating it himself.  I first became
> >aware of the murder when I heard him barking wildly.  I looked outside
> >and saw him standing over the dead squirrel.  I think he was trying to
> >summon the hunter to come take the prey.  I am not, however, a hunter.
> >I was grossed out beyond words.
>
>My congratulations to Spencer!
>
>Murder? Not.

When a man wishes to murder a tiger, it is called sport; when a tiger
wishes to murder a man, it is called ferocity.

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 I believe there will be live music at the banquet on Sunday. Otherwise I am
now as closem to uga uga as I will ever be.

Espen - from Athens, GA

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When I decide to cut back on the number of conferences I participate in
each year, a crucial factor will be whether there is dinner with live
music at least one night. On Saturday night, NAJIT sponsored an
excellent
buffet dinner and live music - Nashville Salsa. I bought one of the
group's CDs, and I am listening to it now.

Bethany

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
>  I believe there will be live music at the banquet on Sunday. Otherwise I am
> now as closem to uga uga as I will ever be.

Go bless the server!

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>> Dead does not equal murder. Killing? Yes.
>
>Even though Spencer told me recently that he was going to kill
>that baby
>squirrel?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Natalie,

If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an option. Dogs do
not talk.


alec

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She's planning on taking action today.  I just sent her e-mail telling
her that there's an ad in today's paper for Rex's in Columbus that
includes Sharp microwaves.
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Well, I made plans to fly to Las Vegas in August, but when
Jim and we made plans to see him, I traded in the
ticket to LV on one of the tickets to LA, in a spirit of warm
self-sacrifice; then V discovered that he had ok'd dates that
had him in LA while presenting to 200+ vendors back home,
so we changed both tickets to come back a day sooner. Then
Jim died, and we changed the tickets again, since we no longer
had a reason to go to LA, so we are going to Durham/Chapel
Hill on the 14th - that's if the stbex doesn't become the ex before
then, in which case I bet at least one ticket will be changed again.

But before this spring, I thought talk about changing tickets
was "posting rich".
clo


Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > Do people often change travel plans after paying for the ticket?
>
> I don't think I've ever done it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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A coworker here came in yesterday ecstatic because she had
managed to change a ticket bought in 1998, in order to go
visit her daughter in Mexico next month. Gee, if she had used
it when new, she might have bumped into hairy Tushar in a
Chicago bar, and the rest would be history!
clo

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > Guess I'm cheap and used to travel on a shoestring and don't
> > budget for ticket changes.
>
> Me too.  I've always considered the buying of the ticket as the
> <finalizing> of the plans (at least the arrival/departure plans).  No
> changes after that.  Obviously I would have had to change if there had
> been a real emergency, like a death or whatever.  But otherwise I stick
> to the plans once the ticket is bought.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 09:31 AM 5/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Well, I made plans to fly to Las Vegas in August, but when
>Jim and we made plans to see him, I traded in the
>ticket to LV on one of the tickets to LA, in a spirit of warm
>self-sacrifice; then V discovered ...[and so forth and so on]


You need to simplify your life---but I guess you already knew that.

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 09:31 AM 5/30/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >Well, I made plans to fly to Las Vegas in August, but when
> >Jim and we made plans to see him, I traded in the
> >ticket to LV on one of the tickets to LA, in a spirit of warm
> >self-sacrifice; then V discovered ...[and so forth and so on]
>
> You need to simplify your life---but I guess you already knew that.

thanks for the advice. I am thinking that I will recover from the
financial strain of the exercise by writing a how-to book on
the nuts and bolts of changing your life, 'cause it sure is a puzzling
process to go through. Life keeps interfering while I'm trying to
get organized to live it!

clo

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>
> Natalie,
>
> If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an option. Dogs do
> not talk.
>
>
> alec

You've never spent much time around dogs have you?  Dogs most certainly do talk.
Their language is posture, ear position, tail motion, as well as sounds.  They can
communicate some pretty complex things if you know how to listen.


BrP

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My opthamologist talked me into wearing
progressive trifocals, whereas before I had
three visual fields.  I found it easy enough to
adjust to them except for one thing.  I can't
see to read the computer screen without
tipping my head way back or else lifting my
glasses and holding them where I must in
order to see.  It's an unacceptable situation.

Suggestions?

Do any of you have computer glasses?
Would this solve my problem?  Can they
be used for reading glasses also?

            - D. M.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> >
> > Natalie,
> >
> > If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an option. Dogs do
> > not talk.
> >
> >
> > alec
>
> You've never spent much time around dogs have you?  Dogs most certainly do talk.
> Their language is posture, ear position, tail motion, as well as sounds.  They can
> communicate some pretty complex things if you know how to listen.
> BrP

I remember a Christmas when my toddler nephew got a squeaky
toy, and our golden followed him everywhere. If ever anyone said
"Oh, what a lovely gift - I wish someone loved me enough to give
me something so wonderful!", it was that dog.

Welcome back, BrP!
clo

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My new glasses (this Jan., a real shock for a 20/10 girl!)
are progressive trifocals. I took the first pair back and
exchanged for the most viewing space (big dumb glasses)
I could find, so each area would be larger. I have also
found that having them adjusted exactly right so that they
sit on my face securely is crucial. If the frame morphs a little,
I have to do the lifting and tipping thing. If I could go back
yet again, I'd get a heavier, less malleable frame so they's
stay in adjustment longer.
clo

Doris Markland wrote:

> My opthamologist talked me into wearing
> progressive trifocals, whereas before I had
> three visual fields.  I found it easy enough to
> adjust to them except for one thing.  I can't
> see to read the computer screen without
> tipping my head way back or else lifting my
> glasses and holding them where I must in
> order to see.  It's an unacceptable situation.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Do any of you have computer glasses?
> Would this solve my problem?  Can they
> be used for reading glasses also?
>
>             - D. M.

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Oops, forgot to add - yes, they are reading glasses as well, in
the lower part.
clo


> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > My opthamologist talked me into wearing
> > progressive trifocals, whereas before I had
> > three visual fields.  I found it easy enough to
> > adjust to them except for one thing.  I can't
> > see to read the computer screen without
> > tipping my head way back or else lifting my
> > glasses and holding them where I must in
> > order to see.  It's an unacceptable situation.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Do any of you have computer glasses?
> > Would this solve my problem?  Can they
> > be used for reading glasses also?
> >
> >             - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Suggestions?

Have you tried just taking them off when at the computer?  Obviously
YMMV, but it works for me.

> Do any of you have computer glasses?

I had some briefly a good many years ago, but my eyes changed.  I do
remember that they didn't cost much because they were single-strength
lenses that I had put into old frames.

> Would this solve my problem?  Can they
> be used for reading glasses also?

They weren't exactly the same strength as the reading part of my
trifocals -- were somewhere between that strength and the middle
strength, I think.  I guess you could use them for reading glasses if
you held your reading matter at about the same distance as the distance
from your eyes to your computer monitor.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an option. Dogs do
> not talk.

You do not know Spencer.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I agree on your point. My point was that, Spencer never told Natalie that he
> was going to kill anything.

You are not in a position to claim such knowledge.

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>
> Have you tried just taking them off when at the computer?  Obviously
> YMMV, but it works for me.

Cain't do that.  I need them to see.  At least until I
have my second cataract surgery.

         - D. M.

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> When a man wishes to murder a tiger, it is called sport; when a tiger
> wishes to murder a man, it is called ferocity.
>
>          --George Bernard Shaw

I've been thinking about what Rita said, about 'guts is guts'. I'm sure
that's true. But the advantage of owning a cat is that they smell divine
after a nap in the lemon balm or a run through the oregano.

Good enough to eat.:)

Karen

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> I guess you could use them for reading glasses if
> you held your reading matter at about the same distance as the distance
> from your eyes to your computer monitor.

Exactly--they usually aren't interchangeable because the focal distance is
different.

Karen

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=
= Natalie,
=
= If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an option. Dogs do
= not talk.
=
=
= alec

Alec,

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

steph

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= Suggestions?
=
= Do any of you have computer glasses?
= Would this solve my problem?  Can they
= be used for reading glasses also?
=
=             - D. M.

Only if you hold your books at the same distance as your computer
monitor!

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul R. Barfoot
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:43 AM
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>
>
>>
>> Natalie,
>>
>> If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an
>option. Dogs do
>> not talk.
>>
>>
>> alec
>
>You've never spent much time around dogs have you?  Dogs most
>certainly do talk.
>Their language is posture, ear position, tail motion, as well
>as sounds.  They can
>communicate some pretty complex things if you know how to listen.
>
>
>BrP
>

Paul,

I agree on your point. My point was that, Spencer never told Natalie that he
was going to kill anything.


alec

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Subject: Karen- another place jobs are going
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Another reason to be angry?




http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-1011452.html?tag=fd_top


alec

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> Another reason to be angry?

I don't need to look for reasons, sweetie.

Karen

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Subject: RE: Killer Dog Strikes Again
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:57 AM
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> I agree on your point. My point was that, Spencer never told
>Natalie that he was going to kill anything.
>
>You are not in a position to claim such knowledge.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Natalie,

I work with 5 Vets and many animal people. They work with many dogs. I can
claim such knowledge.


alec


IT Support for University Laboratory Animal Resources

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> = Suggestions?
> =
> = Do any of you have computer glasses?
> = Would this solve my problem?  Can they
> = be used for reading glasses also?
> =
> =             - D. M.
>
> Only if you hold your books at the same distance as your computer
> monitor!

Now that makes sense.  I wonder, though, if they
ever make a two-level lens, for computer and reading.
I guess the quickest way to find out is to make a
phone call.

                             - D. M.

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>Natalie,
>
>If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an option. Dogs do
>not talk.
>
>
>alec

Nonsense.  Of course dogs talk.  They don't use human speech --and why
should they, even if they could? -- but they talk nonetheless.

Just because you don't understand another group's language doesn't mean
that it is not a language.

Ken Miller
William S. Burroughs Xenovirolinguistic Research Facility

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I work with 5 Vets and many animal people. They work with many dogs. I can
> claim such knowledge.

There is knowing and there is knowing.  :-)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> My opthamologist talked me into wearing
> progressive trifocals, whereas before I had
> three visual fields.  I found it easy enough to
> adjust to them except for one thing.  I can't
> see to read the computer screen without
> tipping my head way back or else lifting my
> glasses and holding them where I must in
> order to see.  It's an unacceptable situation.

I don't have a -good- solution but here are my two solutions:

I work half the day at our reference desk and Theresa works the other
half, so we share that computer; and since people approach that desk a lot
and I move around a lot helping people, computer glasses would be awkward.
I solve the problem by raising the chair very high, so I'm looking through
the bottom of my glasses.  (I also have to change the IE text viewing size
to LARGEST).

The rest of the day I'm either using my office or the home computer.  I
have reading glasses (also used on the bus for reading).

How's the nursing, going, Doris?  I'm glad to see you have -some- time to
talk to us.

best wishes to you and Gene

Ann

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steph wrote:

> Alec,
>
> Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

No.  That would spoil the fun.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:
>  I wonder, though, if they
> ever make a two-level lens, for computer and reading.

I can't imagine any reason why they wouldn't if that's what you wanted.
They would be ordinary bifocals with those particular strengths.

I just asked Spencer his opinion, and he siad that he can't think of why
not.

--
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bookrat
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:55 AM
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>
>
>>Natalie,
>>
>>If Spencer told you anything, I would consider drugs as an
>option. Dogs do
>>not talk.
>>
>>
>>alec
>
>Nonsense.  Of course dogs talk.  They don't use human speech --and why
>should they, even if they could? -- but they talk nonetheless.
>
>Just because you don't understand another group's language doesn't mean
>that it is not a language.
>
>Ken Miller
>William S. Burroughs Xenovirolinguistic Research Facility
>

I have agreed they communicate. Spencer did not communicate to Natalie that
he was going to kill anything.

alec

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At 06:12 PM 5/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Thank you kindly, Dr Maynor. That picture was probably taken in '98.
>
>Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.



What happened?

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At 03:39 AM 5/30/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Bethany:
>
>>Pity the poor traveler who needs to make a flight change after giving
>>money to the airlines - it's now almost impossible to avoid losing the
>>total cost of the original ticket. My agent, however - UT's agent -
>
>Do people often change travel plans after paying for the ticket?
>I don't. All my years of travelling and I've needed to do this
>just twice - when my dad had to stay an extra few days in
>hospital after aortal valve replacement surgery and then
>recently when I had to extend my stay in Antwerp. They
>were both emergencies, not something I need to plan for
>on a regular basis.

I don't often. After we canceled our China trip though I would have
liked  to extend our trip back east but couldn't.  We're thinking of going
to Alaska instead.

Betty

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Can you adjust the height of your computer screen?

Betty

At 08:49 AM 5/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>My opthamologist talked me into wearing
>progressive trifocals, whereas before I had
>three visual fields.  I found it easy enough to
>adjust to them except for one thing.  I can't
>see to read the computer screen without
>tipping my head way back or else lifting my
>glasses and holding them where I must in
>order to see.  It's an unacceptable situation.
>
>Suggestions?
>
>Do any of you have computer glasses?
>Would this solve my problem?  Can they
>be used for reading glasses also?
>
>             - D. M.

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At 06:56 AM 5/30/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>I've been thinking about what Rita said, about 'guts is guts'. I'm sure
>that's true. But the advantage of owning a cat is that they smell divine
>after a nap in the lemon balm or a run through the oregano.
>
>Good enough to eat.:)
>
>Karen

The only good cat is a stir fried cat.

=-ALF

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Yes, that's why mine are trifocals - the center part for computer
work; the lower part for reading. I look down to read a book,
and out at the screen.
clo

Doris Markland wrote:

> > = Suggestions?
> > =
> > = Do any of you have computer glasses?
> > = Would this solve my problem?  Can they
> > = be used for reading glasses also?
> > =
> > =             - D. M.
> >
> > Only if you hold your books at the same distance as your computer
> > monitor!
>
> Now that makes sense.  I wonder, though, if they
> ever make a two-level lens, for computer and reading.
> I guess the quickest way to find out is to make a
> phone call.
>
>                              - D. M.

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Is that you, mem?

Ann

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> When a man wishes to murder a tiger, it is called sport; when a tiger
> wishes to murder a man, it is called ferocity.
>
>         --George Bernard Shaw

LAME

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At 08:49 AM 5/30/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>Do any of you have computer glasses?
>Would this solve my problem?  Can they
>be used for reading glasses also?

Bonnie has computer glasses (bifocals) and loves them. The main part of the
lens is set for the exact distance between her and the monitor; the lower
part is set for reading.

cwv

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>But before this spring, I thought talk about changing tickets
>was "posting rich".

Sometimes it is <posting busy>. Court dates sometimes change at the whim
of a judge.

Bethany

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>order to see.  It's an unacceptable situation.
>
>Suggestions?

Yes - Lasik + $6 reading glasses from WalMart.

Bethany

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well, but mine are progressives, like your new ones. Since I
never had straight trifocals, I didn't have to relearn looking
through them; but they still do the trifocal thing. But they didn't
work at all until I
a) asked about the money-back thing (30 days) and got them
to switch to a pair that just plain had more glass to work with,
so each area was as big as it could be, and
b) learned to get them adjusted exactly right.
clo

Doris Markland wrote:

> > Yes, that's why mine are trifocals - the center part for computer
> > work; the lower part for reading. I look down to read a book,
> > and out at the screen.
> > clo
>
> That's what I always had, before I was
> talked into these.  Shoulda' stuck with em.
>
>               - D. M.

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Enjoy!



-----Original Message-----


A stranger was seated next to Little Johnny on the plane when the stranger
turned to the Little Johnny and said, "Let's talk. I've heard that flights
will go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger."

Little Johnny, who had just opened his book, closed it slowly and said to
the stranger, "What would you like to discuss?"

"Oh, I don't know," said the stranger. "How about nuclear power?"

"OK," said Little Johnny.  "That could be an interesting topic. But let me
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"A horse, a cow and a deer all eat grass. The same stuff. Yet a deer
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> Yes, that's why mine are trifocals - the center part for computer
> work; the lower part for reading. I look down to read a book,
> and out at the screen.
> clo

That's what I always had, before I was
talked into these.  Shoulda' stuck with em.

              - D. M.

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>
> A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.
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Turns out I'm 38% gay. Seems high to me, but ... whatever.

Sandra

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> http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
>
> A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.
>
> Karen

Test taken. Score received.

But I'm not showing mine until Tushar shows his.

BrP

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>> http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
>>
>> A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.
>>
>> Karen
>
> Test taken. Score received.
>
> But I'm not showing mine until Tushar shows his.

My guess would be that he's gayer than you are...

I'm 68% gay.:)

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
> >
> > A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.
>
> BTW, having javascript drive a test sure is GAY

I wasn't allowed to take it. Either I'm too young for this, or
the virus checker meant it when it said that there were
"potentially hostile elements" in the code.
clo

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>02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
>>
>> A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.
>
>I'M NOT GAY!
>
>Alec's gayer than gay. Let him take the test.
>

I am 16% Gay. NOT GAY!  Heide will be thankful.




alec

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02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
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> A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.

BTW, having javascript drive a test sure is GAY

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What does it mean to provision a server?

K

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02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
>
> A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.

I'M NOT GAY!

Alec's gayer than gay. Let him take the test.

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> 02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> What does it mean to provision a server?
>
> Requisition and soft-deploy. Or perhaps, just serverize any equipment.

Do you see this as being different from configuring?

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > What does it mean to provision a server?
>
> Requisition and soft-deploy. Or perhaps, just serverize any equipment.

You mean, get a server? Or at most, get a server and set it up?
whew.
clo

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= the Internet Cafe in town.  He buys used hard drives on EBay.  Mine should
= not have died after only two years of existence.  But it did.
=
=            --bonniev

I got news for you.  Two years is a long time these days.

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Carolyn Ostrander:
= Tushar Samant wrote:
=
= > 02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > > What does it mean to provision a server?
= >
= > Requisition and soft-deploy. Or perhaps, just serverize any equipment.
=
= You mean, get a server? Or at most, get a server and set it up?
= whew.
= clo

I think what's implied by provision is that you not put it in
use.

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> >Apparently she was opening a huge photo when it crashed. What made it crash?
> >
> >Betty
>
>Something there is that wanted it to crash.  I could say "Elves" to her,
>but it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather she said it for herself.
>Ken Miller
>Williams-Scheidt School of Cryptoenigmatology

Yes, it was only coincidence that it died after downloading a large picture
and while trying to open it.  The hard drive is dead.  A friend was going
to reformat the hard drive and install XP.  It cannot be reformatted.  It
is dead, deceased, unformatable.  This friend would know.  He owns and runs
the Internet Cafe in town.  He buys used hard drives on EBay.  Mine should
not have died after only two years of existence.  But it did.

            --bonniev

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Steph:
>
> I got news for you.  Two years is a long time these days.


"The future isn't what it used to be."

BrP

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02003-05-30 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> I am 16% Gay. NOT GAY!
    ^^          ^^^

That's a blatant contradiction, Alec.

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02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> What does it mean to provision a server?

Requisition and soft-deploy. Or perhaps, just serverize any equipment.

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02003-05-30 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > http://test.thespark.com/gaytest/gay2.html
> > >
> > > A test to see how Gay (tm) you are.
> >
> > BTW, having javascript drive a test sure is GAY
>
> I wasn't allowed to take it. Either I'm too young for this, or
> the virus checker meant it when it said that there were
> "potentially hostile elements" in the code.

That's enough of your buttkissing, thanks.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of bonniev
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:08 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>> >Apparently she was opening a huge photo when it crashed.
>What made it crash?
>> >
>> >Betty
>>
>>Something there is that wanted it to crash.  I could say
>"Elves" to her,
>>but it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather she said it for herself.
>>Ken Miller
>>Williams-Scheidt School of Cryptoenigmatology
>
>Yes, it was only coincidence that it died after downloading a
>large picture
>and while trying to open it.  The hard drive is dead.  A
>friend was going
>to reformat the hard drive and install XP.  It cannot be
>reformatted.  It
>is dead, deceased, unformatable.  This friend would know.  He
>owns and runs
>the Internet Cafe in town.  He buys used hard drives on EBay.
>Mine should
>not have died after only two years of existence.  But it did.
>
>            --bonniev
>

Backups are a good thing. Does it have a three year warranty like some Dell
stuff. Or is it older then 3 years.


Alec

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Karen Kay writes,

>What does it mean to provision a server?

To me, it means "provide", especially to create the presence of a server
where there wasn't one before.  This could mean to procure one in some way
and then set up, or to rehabilitate a machine previously used for other
tasks (read: old Windows desktop machine converted to Linux server).

"Configure" means to change options on a server that is already present or
in existence.

Pete

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Just watched it in the theatre. Strange: I do not think it was good.
Maybe I'll think differently tomorrow. Usually I'm not very hasty to
decide. Recalling two good experiences: when I had just been watching
Amelie and Dancer in the Dark I only knew at once that I liked them, and
only during the next hours, and next days, I understood what good  works
of art they were.

But this -- a medical case, not art. Several good details -- yes,
several good scenes -- yes, good actors -- yes (to watch Annie Girardot
once again was a special enjoyment). The main character was far too sick
to make a good movie. If the final solution were not her stabbing
herself, maybe then I'd been able to take her craziness as an
exaggeration on purpose to serve an idea. But this seemed too simple:
what else could you expect! A suicide was the simplest solution ever for
that plot. Or wasn't it a suicide? Was she going to live on? If I could
find an answer maybe I shall think better of the film.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > or small letter initially. Please somebody take down for me the two most ordinary
> > expressions how to say it for both cases: A proper name is written..., etc.
> > Thanks.
>
> A proper name is written with a capital letter.
> A proper name is capitalized.
>
> A common noun is written with a little letter.
> A common noun isn't capitalized.

Thanks! So -- even a *little* letter. I couldn't have guessed. It all will be saved in
the file with Steph's examples.

Kristin

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> Yes, that's why mine are trifocals - the center part for computer
> work; the lower part for reading. I look down to read a book,
> and out at the screen.

The center part of my trifocals is for slightly farther away than the
monitor.

--
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Thanks! So -- even a *little* letter. I couldn't have guessed. It all will be saved

In typical conversations of my experience (as opposed to something like
textbooks), "little letter" and "capital letter" are much more common
terms than "lower case" and "upper case."

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Amelie and Dancer in the Dark I only knew at once that I liked them, and
> only during the next hours, and next days, I understood what good  works
> of art they were.
>
>  But this seemed too simple:
> what else could you expect! A suicide was the simplest solution ever for
> that plot.

One more thing: I may enjoy simple works if their simplicity is intentional.
If complexity seems to be intended and I tend to feel that the author won't
reach the standards he has set for himself then I'm disappointed.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
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> > Thanks! So -- even a *little* letter. I couldn't have guessed. It all will be saved
>
> In typical conversations of my experience (as opposed to something like
> textbooks), "little letter" and "capital letter" are much more common
> terms than "lower case" and "upper case."

"Small letters" is what we call them here, not "little letters".
clo

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02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-05-30 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> What does it mean to provision a server?
> >
> > Requisition and soft-deploy. Or perhaps, just serverize any equipment.
>
> Do you see this as being different from configuring?

I don't see it as anything. I only meant that it can mean anything,
just like requisition or serverize. What's the context, and how can
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > Thanks! So -- even a *little* letter. I couldn't have guessed. It all will be saved
> >
> > In typical conversations of my experience (as opposed to something like
> > textbooks), "little letter" and "capital letter" are much more common
> > terms than "lower case" and "upper case."
>
> "Small letters" is what we call them here, not "little letters".

That was what surprised me in Natalie's example. I thought "small" was more neutral while
"little" might hint that there's something cute about the thing with such an attribute.

Kristin

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I'm right here.  Why?  Do I owe someone on this <service> money?

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.

??
As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
Which I wouldn't deny, btw.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
>
> ??
> As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
> Which I wouldn't deny, btw.
>
> Kristin

Seeing is believing.
clo

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> What does it mean to provision a server?

How would I know, I'm only 38% gay.

Ann

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On 30 May 2003 at 21:54, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> But this -- a medical case, not art. Several good details -- yes,
> several good scenes -- yes, good actors -- yes (to watch Annie Girardot
> once again was a special enjoyment). The main character was far too sick
> to make a good movie. If the final solution were not her stabbing
> herself, maybe then I'd been able to take her craziness as an
> exaggeration on purpose to serve an idea. But this seemed too simple:
> what else could you expect! A suicide was the simplest solution ever for
> that plot. Or wasn't it a suicide? Was she going to live on? If I could
> find an answer maybe I shall think better of the film.

Just to be clear, this is the film known in English (in the U.S.)
as The Piano Teacher--not to be confused with the Polanski film,
The Pianist.

I had mixed feelings about it too. I guess I just lusted for more
titillation than it provided. I'm okay with sick characters, for
the most part, but the ending was, as you suggest, ambiguous. It
didn't seem to be a fatal stab, thus a suicide, but rather another
incident of cutting herself. The DVD includes an interview with
Isabelle Huppert, which I haven't watched. Perhaps I'll do so to
see whether it helps to interpret the film.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Just to be clear, this is the film known in English (in the U.S.)
> as The Piano Teacher--not to be confused with the Polanski film,
> The Pianist.

Same here. Exactly. Btw, I haven't seen the latter, but once I will.

Kristin

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> On 30 May 2003 at 21:54, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> >  Several good details -- yes,
> > several good scenes -- yes, good actors -- yes

> I had mixed feelings about it too.

>  It
> didn't seem to be a fatal stab, thus a suicide, but rather another
> incident of cutting herself. The DVD includes an interview with
> Isabelle Huppert, which I haven't watched. Perhaps I'll do so to
> see whether it helps to interpret the film.

And my keeping thinking of it reveals to me that there might be more in the
film than I thought first.

Kristin

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Correct.  Is it not considered murder if somebody says "I'm going to
> >kill X" and then kills X?  Does the killer have to use the word murder
> >in advance for it to be considered murder?
>
> Note these points:
>
> 1. So far, we have no witness to the act. All we know about Spencer is
> that he was near the body AFTER the killing took place. Not even in
> Mississippi is it <murder> to bark excitedly near a dead squirrel, I
> think.
> 2. If in fact Spencer did kill the squirrel, it might have been an
> accident or self defense.
> 3. In all jurisdictions, <murder> involves <persons>. Thus:

LOL. Suffice it to read the first one.

Kristin

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In a message dated 05/30/2003 10:23:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
The only good cat is a stir fried cat.

=-ALF

>>

I am glad to see him on TV again, even though I hate his
viewpoints on cats.  I wonder if he would like them with
fava beans and a nice chianti.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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On Friday, May 30, 2003 at 11:00, Karen Kay wrote:

> What does it mean to provision a server?

"Provision" is a term currently in vogue in the context of setting up
the infrastructure for e.g. a new employee joining a firm, a new
resident of a house requiring telephone/cable/Internet service, etc.

I'm not sure what it means in your usage. Probably it isn't something
you do to the server-as-a-bunch-of-hardware-and-software, but rather
describes all the things necessary to ensure that a server ends up
"there" and ready to run whatever it is that needs a server.

Tony H.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > "Small letters" is what we call them here, not "little letters".
>
> That was what surprised me in Natalie's example. I thought "small" was more neutral while
> "little" might hint that there's something cute about the thing with such an attribute.

Nope.  Just dialectal variation.  Do those of you who say "small letter"
instead of "little letter" find that you use the word "small" often in
other contexts also?  I'm sitting here thinking that I'm much more
likely to use "little" than "small," regardless of the subject area.  I
do sometimes say "small."  It's not as if it's not in my dialect at
all.  It's just that "little" feels slightly more natural.

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John Williams wrote:
>
> I'm right here.  Why?  Do I owe someone on this <service> money?

Probably.  But I was mainly just wondering where you were since you
hadn't said much lately.  I was wondering whether you were out having a
life or something.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
>
> ??
> As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
> Which I wouldn't deny, btw.

But he wasn't bald in '98.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Seeing is believing.

He had sexy feet in '95.  Some of us were so busy admiring his toes as
they swished through the pastures that we didn't pay enough attention to
the rest of his physical attributes.

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> On Fri, 30 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > What does it mean to provision a server?
>
> How would I know, I'm only 38% gay.
>
> Ann

We got the same score. Clone!

Sandra

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> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> > Just to be clear, this is the film known in English (in the U.S.)
> > as The Piano Teacher--not to be confused with the Polanski film,
> > The Pianist.
>
> Same here. Exactly. Btw, I haven't seen the latter, but once I will.
>
> Kristin


I caught Matrix Reloaded yesterday. Figured I might enjoy it (rewatched the
video of the first one last week). Boy, I really liked it. It celebrates
humanity and love. I'm looking forward to the next installment. My favorite
scene, next to the jungle boogie scene, was the fight against all the Smiths
with the pipe as prop. Fantastic!

Sandra

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> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Seeing is believing.
>
> He had sexy feet in '95.  Some of us were so busy admiring his toes as
> they swished through the pastures that we didn't pay enough attention to
> the rest of his physical attributes.
>
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Does he wear an anklet? I think a manly type anklet ("anklet" makes it sound
daintier than I mean) can be very sexy on a guy.

Sandra

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, sandra wrote:

> We got the same score. Clone!

I think it's all in the zip codes.

Ann

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02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> Does he wear an anklet? I think a manly type anklet ("anklet" makes it sound
> daintier than I mean) can be very sexy on a guy.

This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
"sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.

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On Thu, 29 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Yes, it is circumstantial evidence.  But one must consider the setting:
>a fenced yard with no other squirrel predators present.  The squirrel
>was not there an hour or so earlier.  What would cause a dead squirrel
>to show up suddenly in such a setting, with the only other creature
>present being a dog, who I might add, has already shown a killing

That is a question for the jury. (Mere speculation usually does not cut
it.)

>I saw him murder a bird.

And how did you know that is was murder - not killing? (Obviously it was
not manslaughter.)

 > And then there was that horrible day >when both Spencer and Buddy were
mouthing a large rat.

Is there a statute making that illegal?

>> 2. If in fact Spencer did kill the squirrel, it might have been an
>> accident or self defense.
>I would have heard his yelps if he was being attacked by the squirrel.

Perhaps.

>clear.  Re accidental death, only an autopsy could show whether this
>youthful squirrel might have had a heart attack or fallen from a tree
>with such force as to kill him.  I should perhaps go get the carcass and
>take it to the vet school for real proof.

Yes.

>> 3. In all jurisdictions, <murder> involves <persons>. Thus:
>
>Ah, but that is really speciescentric.  One must fight against such
>biases.

Not at all. Our langyage permits the compostion of statutes involving
animals other than humans - and vice versa. It is not illegal to speak
of one species to the exclusion of others.

>> I think Spencer needs a lawyer. Before you speak with him further, you
>> must communicate to him his Miranda rights.
>
>But I am not sure that I am the correct one to communicate his Miranda
>rights.  I am not even going to call the police on him.  That is wrong,

Right. Good. Not wrong - right.

Bethany

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02003-05-30 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 30 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > What does it mean to provision a server?
>
> How would I know, I'm only 38% gay.

You guys are lame ... I am 44% gay[TM]

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Dogs certainly communicate - they do not communicate via anything that
resembles human language. It makes a lot of sense to say that dogs do not
talk.

Bethany

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> 02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Does he wear an anklet? I think a manly type anklet ("anklet"
> makes it sound
> > daintier than I mean) can be very sexy on a guy.
>
> This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
> allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
> "sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.

I guess it depends on how GAY you are.

Sandra

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> 02003-05-30 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Fri, 30 May 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > What does it mean to provision a server?
> >
> > How would I know, I'm only 38% gay.
>
> You guys are lame ... I am 44% gay[TM]

I would have shown up more gay had they asked any disco related questions.

Sandra

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
> allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
> "sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.

Why?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Yes, it is circumstantial evidence.  But one must consider the setting:
> >a fenced yard with no other squirrel predators present.  The squirrel
> >was not there an hour or so earlier.  What would cause a dead squirrel
> >to show up suddenly in such a setting, with the only other creature
> >present being a dog, who I might add, has already shown a killing
>
> That is a question for the jury. (Mere speculation usually does not cut
> it.)

Yes.  But a good jury would see that the circumstantial evidence is
totally compelling.  A jury of his peers would <know>.

> >I saw him murder a bird.
>
> And how did you know that is was murder - not killing? (Obviously it was
> not manslaughter.)

It was premeditated.

>  > And then there was that horrible day >when both Spencer and Buddy were
> mouthing a large rat.
>
> Is there a statute making that illegal?

It was intent to murder.

> >with such force as to kill him.  I should perhaps go get the carcass and
> >take it to the vet school for real proof.
>
> Yes.

You should have said so last night!  I'm afraid that it will have
deteriorated too much now to offer clear evidence.

> >> 3. In all jurisdictions, <murder> involves <persons>. Thus:
> >
> >Ah, but that is really speciescentric.  One must fight against such
> >biases.
>
> Not at all. Our langyage permits the compostion of statutes involving
> animals other than humans - and vice versa. It is not illegal to speak
> of one species to the exclusion of others.

No, it is not illegal.  But it's specist.  As I said, one must fight
against specist behavior.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Dogs certainly communicate - they do not communicate via anything that
> resembles human language. It makes a lot of sense to say that dogs do not
> talk.

Negative.  Some dogs talk.  Didn't you see "Babe"?

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> Sandra writes,
>
> >I caught Matrix Reloaded yesterday.
>
> I saw it last week.  I liked it too.  A couple of my favorite scenes were
> the ones with Persephone and Merovingian ("don't you love the French
> language").  I also really liked how they didn't use a lot of explicit
> language or sexuality as is the norm in films today, but still conveyed a
> good deal of power or sensuality.
>
> The Burly Brawl with all the Agents Smith didn't do it for me,
> though.  And
> I'm not sure that they ever quite matched the originality and
> visual poetry
> of some of the scenes from the original: the pan around Trinity in
> mid-air/mid-kick, or the building lobby slo-mo scenes, or the shot of
> Trinity and her gun as she says, "Dodge this."
>
> Check out the behind-the-scenes stuff at
> <http://www.thematrix.com/>.  BAWLers note, the freeway scenes
> were done on
> a circular track at the old Alameda Naval Air Station.
>
> For a metaphysical/theological analysis (but lots of spoilers), check out
> <http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm>.
>
> Pete


You can catch glimpses of the Bay Bridge in the background. I haven't talked
to him about it, but a close friend of a close friend (hence I see him a
fair amount) did computer animation on all three matrixes. He was in hong
kong for awhile back then, as they wanted him onsite so they could reshoot
as needed. He's started a new company, creating beautiful sink tops and
counter tops out of concrete www.bohmenianstone.com (I think???) I don't
think he likes to talk about his movie work although at times he does
emergency contract work for them.

I liked the Link character (he's so good in OZ) but I don't think Jada
Pinkett Smith's character was well developed. "some th ings change and some
things never change."

I'm not always very good in super violent movies...I end up watching my
fingerprints, mostly....but the "violence" in the Matrix films is so
superheroesque....it's unreal and therefore, it's just pure entertainment.

Sandra

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Sandra writes,

>I caught Matrix Reloaded yesterday.

I saw it last week.  I liked it too.  A couple of my favorite scenes were
the ones with Persephone and Merovingian ("don't you love the French
language").  I also really liked how they didn't use a lot of explicit
language or sexuality as is the norm in films today, but still conveyed a
good deal of power or sensuality.

The Burly Brawl with all the Agents Smith didn't do it for me, though.  And
I'm not sure that they ever quite matched the originality and visual poetry
of some of the scenes from the original: the pan around Trinity in
mid-air/mid-kick, or the building lobby slo-mo scenes, or the shot of
Trinity and her gun as she says, "Dodge this."

Check out the behind-the-scenes stuff at
<http://www.thematrix.com/>.  BAWLers note, the freeway scenes were done on
a circular track at the old Alameda Naval Air Station.

For a metaphysical/theological analysis (but lots of spoilers), check out
<http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm>.

Pete

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02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
> > allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
> > "sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.
>
> Why?

I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
who likes tattooed gay bikers. Your concept encompasses too much,
Sandra's too little. The end ...

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> 02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
> > > allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
> > > "sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.
> >
> > Why?
>
> I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
> who likes tattooed gay bikers. Your concept encompasses too much,
> Sandra's too little. The end ...

Wrong on all four counts. So much for perception via listservs.

Sandra

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02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> > find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
> > who likes tattooed gay bikers. Your concept encompasses too much,
> > Sandra's too little. The end ...
>
> Wrong on all four counts. So much for perception via listservs.

Ha ha ha ha ... it's not misperception, "Sandra"! You have been
Trolled[TM].

Everybody knows you like tattoed STRAIGHT bikers with piercings.

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> 02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> > > find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
> > > who likes tattooed gay bikers. Your concept encompasses too much,
> > > Sandra's too little. The end ...
> >
> > Wrong on all four counts. So much for perception via listservs.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ... it's not misperception, "Sandra"! You have been
> Trolled[TM].
>
> Everybody knows you like tattoed STRAIGHT bikers with piercings.

Hmmmmm. Nope. One guy I dated a few times nearly ten years ago had a tattoo,
I think. And Dave does have one ear pierced, but  that's a first for me.
He's also almost consistently in tie dye and he swears he's growing a
mullett. But, hey, he does own a trike, so I guess in a weird way that makes
him a biker, but he wouldn't be caught dead on a hog. Some, geez, twenty
years ago, I rode on the back of one, once. I'm nobody's b*tch ;)

Sandra

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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I think Maria may have given up screwing - all week I thought she was in
love with a gelding - I did not check out the situation carefully - it
turns out that she has been in love with Margaret, very definitely a
mare, who seems quite pleased to hang out with Maria a lot.

I learned 2-3 years ago that Maria was apparently bisexual - but she falls
in love with mares much more often than geldings now, so screwing seems to
be out of the picture for her.

I have not seen her mount a mare or be mounted by one - but I have seen
other mares mount mares. So I suppose Maria is a femme.

At any rate, the hormonal madness seems to be over for now. On Wednesday,
I spent an hour trying to catch her - with no luck. Today, I walked out to
the field, saw Maria and Margaret together, and called them. Margaret came
to me first, then Maria came to me.

Perhaps she will eventually be celibate.

Bethany

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They playing one of my all time favorites: The Goodbye Girl. I'm rather
nutty for early Neil Simon.

Sandra

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02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> > > > find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
> > > > who likes tattooed gay bikers. Your concept encompasses too much,
> > > > Sandra's too little. The end ...
> > >
> > > Wrong on all four counts. So much for perception via listservs.
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ... it's not misperception, "Sandra"! You have been
> > Trolled[TM].
> >
> > Everybody knows you like tattoed STRAIGHT bikers with piercings.
>
> Hmmmmm. Nope. One guy I dated a few times nearly ten years ago had a tattoo,
> I think. And Dave does have one ear pierced, but  that's a first for me.
> He's also almost consistently in tie dye and he swears he's growing a
> mullett. But, hey, he does own a trike, so I guess in a weird way that makes
> him a biker, but he wouldn't be caught dead on a hog. Some, geez, twenty
> years ago, I rode on the back of one, once. I'm nobody's b*tch ;)

Ah well ... guess I'm wrong :-(((( Too bad ... Who's Dave?

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> 02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > 02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > > > > I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> > > > > find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
> > > > > who likes tattooed gay bikers. Your concept encompasses too much,
> > > > > Sandra's too little. The end ...
> > > >
> > > > Wrong on all four counts. So much for perception via listservs.
> > >
> > > Ha ha ha ha ... it's not misperception, "Sandra"! You have been
> > > Trolled[TM].
> > >
> > > Everybody knows you like tattoed STRAIGHT bikers with piercings.
> >
> > Hmmmmm. Nope. One guy I dated a few times nearly ten years ago
> had a tattoo,
> > I think. And Dave does have one ear pierced, but  that's a first for me.
> > He's also almost consistently in tie dye and he swears he's growing a
> > mullett. But, hey, he does own a trike, so I guess in a weird
> way that makes
> > him a biker, but he wouldn't be caught dead on a hog. Some, geez, twenty
> > years ago, I rode on the back of one, once. I'm nobody's b*tch ;)
>
> Ah well ... guess I'm wrong :-(((( Too bad ... Who's Dave?

More importantly....where's Dave???? Somewhere camping with his family (his
brother's family) in So. Texas, where he just moved to. Nice recently
retired after 20 yrs in the coast guard (hence, his desire to expand his
wardrobe and hairstyle options) Texan who until a month ago, lived across
the Bay from me. We've been seeing each other since December. He said we're
doing this long distance relationship thing and I want to believe him (him
being a good guy and all) but he's still got a lot of things to take care of
as he settles into Dallas. I hope to visit him soon, there. We'll see. We
have a really nice time and have a lot of compatibility when we do things
together. But long chats on the phone or personal emails just aren't really
*him*. He's one of those guys who is better at action than words. Which
doesn't translate so well long distancewise. He's the INTP poster child (for
you Myers-Briggs fans) But from what I've seen and known of him and based on
time I've spent with his friends and family...they see him the same way.
Time will tell.

Sandra

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02003-05-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> More importantly....where's Dave???? Somewhere camping with his family
> (his brother's family) in So. Texas, where he just moved to. Nice recently
> retired after 20 yrs in the coast guard (hence, his desire to expand his
> wardrobe and hairstyle options) Texan who until a month ago, lived across
> the Bay from me. We've been seeing each other since December. He said we're
> doing this long distance relationship thing and I want to believe him (him
> being a good guy and all) but he's still got a lot of things to take care of
> as he settles into Dallas. I hope to visit him soon, there. We'll see. We
> have a really nice time and have a lot of compatibility when we do things
> together. But long chats on the phone or personal emails just aren't really
> *him*. He's one of those guys who is better at action than words. Which
> doesn't translate so well long distancewise. He's the INTP poster child (for
> you Myers-Briggs fans) But from what I've seen and known of him and based on
> time I've spent with his friends and family...they see him the same way.
> Time will tell.

An "INTP poster child" who is better at action than words, and can't
do the personal email thing? And was employed by the Coast Guard?
Hokay ...

How does it matter anyway. Good luck!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Perhaps she will eventually be celibate.

I would suggest she consider talking to a priest, but AnnBork would
accuse me of being nasty, so I won't.

Go Dawgs!  Top of the 7th.  10-1.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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I meant to post this a while ago. From the New Scientist archives:

  [Psychologists have long known that our memories are easily embellished.
  We add imaginary details through wishful thinking or to make a more
  logical story. More controversially, memory may be falsified through
  suggestion and manipulative questioning, bringing some eyewitness
  testimony and "recovered" memories into doubt. And we all forget things
  too. But despite these flaws it was always presumed that the core
  experiences themselves - the memory traces stamped into the fabric of
  our brain - were permanent. Look in the right place and we could always
  dig back to what really happened.]

  But that's simply not so, according to some surprising new research. A
  memory is anything but static. Resurrecting a memory trace appears to
  render it completely fluid, as pliable and unstable as the moment it was
  first formed, and in need of fixing once again into the brain's
  circuitry. Any meddling with this fixing process could alter the trace -
  or even erase it completely. Simply retelling a tale may be enough to
  change that memory for good. Long-term memory is effectively a myth.

Interesting, huh. It puts a kind of fright in me. What do I think
happened in '98 while I was standing with a camera in hand?

The article describes some theories--which make good sense, in my
opinion--about how frequent recall and minute revisions actually
help in fixing a memory, etc.

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Perhaps she will eventually be celibate.
>
>I would suggest she consider talking to a priest, but AnnBork would
>accuse me of being nasty, so I won't.

It's much too early for that.

Bethany

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I wrote:

>On Fri, 30 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps she will eventually be celibate.
>>
>>I would suggest she consider talking to a priest, but AnnBork would
>>accuse me of being nasty, so I won't.
>
>It's much too early for that.

Let me rephrase that: why would she benefit from talking to a priest -
who, since Maria is now Episcopalian (she was Presbyterian when I
acquired her), will almost certainly not be celibate.

I never talked to a priest who was not my personal spiritual director - at
least not after until I had spoken with my bishop about making vows. If I
had not planned to make vows, there would have been no reason to talk to
another priest.

The conviction of vocation must come from within one. Thus far Maria has
shown no signs of perceiving a call to celibate life.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> The article describes some theories--which make good sense, in my
> opinion--about how frequent recall and minute revisions actually
> help in fixing a memory, etc.

So I may have been revising your toes for the past eight years?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> The conviction of vocation must come from within one. Thus far Maria has
> shown no signs of perceiving a call to celibate life.

Ok, so I understand why it's too early for talking to a spiritual
advisor.  But I was thinking ahead -- thinking about how you said you
were thinking celibacy might be down the road for her.

Thank goodness we're into the 9th inning now.  We started playing some
low-string pitchers and are now up only 10-4.
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10-4.  Will play the Tar Heels tomorrow afternoon.  Hope the rain
doesn't come.  It's a shame after the gorgeous weather we've had the
past week that rain is moving in right here in the middle of baseball.
I bet there was some good food being cooked tonight in Left Field
Lounge.  The game was at the perfect time for cooking.

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
> > allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
> > "sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.
>
> Why?
>
That is a question for the jury.
clo

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ew!  ;-)

----- Original Message -----
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> 10-4.  Will play the Tar Heels tomorrow afternoon.  Hope the rain
> doesn't come.  It's a shame after the gorgeous weather we've had the
> past week that rain is moving in right here in the middle of baseball.
> I bet there was some good food being cooked tonight in Left Field
> Lounge.  The game was at the perfect time for cooking.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> Perhaps she will eventually be celibate.

Oh god, this makes me feel like such a humorless prude.

I should apologize forthwith to N*t*l**.

Ann

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g

ha ha ha ha I read this "fughug" and was going to consider the fairness of
this description . . .

Ann

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> > > This thread has gone on longer than its sexy feet can bear, but
> > > allow me to say: Natalie's "sexy" has nothing to do with your
> > > "sexy", and I suspect neither has anything to do with sexy.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> That is a question for the jury.

Of Tushar's peers?  Are there any?

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Alan Wild wrote:
>
> ew!  ;-)

Woof, woof!

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I should apologize forthwith to N*t*l**.

No.  It was fun.  One should never apologize for providing pleasure.

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At 07:14 PM 5/30/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 30 May 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps she will eventually be celibate.
>
>Oh god, this makes me feel like such a humorless prude.
>
>I should apologize forthwith to N*t*l**.

Indeed.

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        This is so last year -- like when I did that paper on it.

Tushar Samant wrote:

> I meant to post this a while ago. From the New Scientist archives:
>
>   [Psychologists have long known that our memories are easily embellished.
>   We add imaginary details through wishful thinking or to make a more
>   logical story. More controversially, memory may be falsified through
>   suggestion and manipulative questioning, bringing some eyewitness
>   testimony and "recovered" memories into doubt. And we all forget things
>   too. But despite these flaws it was always presumed that the core
>   experiences themselves - the memory traces stamped into the fabric of
>   our brain - were permanent. Look in the right place and we could always
>   dig back to what really happened.]
>
>   But that's simply not so, according to some surprising new research. A
>   memory is anything but static. Resurrecting a memory trace appears to
>   render it completely fluid, as pliable and unstable as the moment it was
>   first formed, and in need of fixing once again into the brain's
>   circuitry. Any meddling with this fixing process could alter the trace -
>   or even erase it completely. Simply retelling a tale may be enough to
>   change that memory for good. Long-term memory is effectively a myth.
>
> Interesting, huh. It puts a kind of fright in me. What do I think
> happened in '98 while I was standing with a camera in hand?
>
> The article describes some theories--which make good sense, in my
> opinion--about how frequent recall and minute revisions actually
> help in fixing a memory, etc.
>
>


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02003-05-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        This is so last year -- like when I did that paper on it.

Sure, that's what you think ...

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02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > The article describes some theories--which make good sense, in my
> > opinion--about how frequent recall and minute revisions actually
> > help in fixing a memory, etc.
>
> So I may have been revising your toes for the past eight years?

Yeah ... find something worthwhile to revise ...

Here are two more pictures from 1998. These are the worst 2, but
the only ones I had ...

http://www.samant.com/img/mumbai1998/

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02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Of Tushar's peers?  Are there any?

Natalie:

Stop your buttkissing.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>       This is so last year -- like when I did that paper on it.
>>
>
> Sure, that's what you think ...


        I have the paper and the emails, LUSER.




--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> http://www.samant.com/img/mumbai1998/

Your parents?  Neat pictures.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Stop your buttkissing.

But your butt is so tempting.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-05-30 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I SAID this has gone on for too long. But to answer: you, Maynor,
> > find any picture of any guy "sexy", and Sandra is just a f*gh*g
>
> ha ha ha ha I read this "fughug" and was going to consider the fairness
> of this description . . .

My god, what a pr*dish h*morless b*tch!

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02003-05-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-05-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
> >>      This is so last year -- like when I did that paper on it.
> >>
> >
> >Sure, that's what you think ...
>
>
>        I have the paper and the emails, LUSER.

Mmm hmmm!

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02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Stop your buttkissing.
>
> But your butt is so tempting.

You don't know that.

You have just revised an 8 year old memory with a 44% gay score.

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
> exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
> do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
> that's pretty much what I do now.

Oh never mind, Meet Me In Bathroom and send pictures of your toes.

Ann

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02003-05-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I actually had an anxiety attack over not having something
> to read.  That's never happened to me before.  Tonight I had
> to work graduation, which means getting the kids gowned and
> lined up in the right order, then sitting around for two
> hours waiting for them to come back and de-gown and collect
> their diplomas.  I left the high school (graduation was at
> the middle school), and realized I'd forgotten the book I am
> working on (a Flannery O'Connor collection) on my desk.  I
> had a panic.  Two empty hours with nothing to read! Then I
> made an emergency run to Borders and picked up _Balzac and
> the Little Chinese Seamstress_ and _Bel Canto_.  I nearly
> finished the Balzac book during the ceremony and it is quite
> good.  Well, it turns out I was assigned to Ms. Book's room,
> and Ms. Book is, believe it or not, an English teacher, so I
> could have found plenty to read, and in fact she has a nice
> cozy little reading corner set up with pillows, etc. that I
> took advantage of.  I saw a list of students on the board
> who I will be getting next year, and I know my current
> freshmen, who complained bitterly about Ms. Book (as they
> will complain bitterly about me*, I am sure) will be amused
> at where I spent my evening.

This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
that's pretty much what I do now.

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02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > http://www.samant.com/img/mumbai1998/
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> Your parents?  Neat pictures.

Yes. All the good ones are ^%$#%$# lost ... as usual

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.samant.com/img/mumbai1998/
> >
> > Your parents?  Neat pictures.
>
> Yes. All the good ones are ^%$#%$# lost ... as usual
>

I think they look like very interesting people. What else is important?
clo

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 On Fri, 30 May 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> who I will be getting next year, and I know my current
> freshmen, who complained bitterly about Ms. Book (as they
> will complain bitterly about me*, I am sure) will be amused
> at where I spent my evening.
>

Only insofar as you interfere with their adolescent pursuits.
My favorite rant was short and succinct:

"How is Mrs. Coufal? "
"You mean Coufal the Obsessed?"

A little matter of different priorities in editing draft papers - the
student in question considered editing a waste of precious life force.

clo

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On Fri, 30 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
> > exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
> > do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
> > that's pretty much what I do now.
>
> Oh never mind, Meet Me In Bathroom and send pictures of your toes.
>
> Ann
>

My approach is to compose stories. I do some of my best work on the jon,
and I feel certain it involves staring into space.

clo

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I actually had an anxiety attack over not having something
to read.  That's never happened to me before.  Tonight I had
to work graduation, which means getting the kids gowned and
lined up in the right order, then sitting around for two
hours waiting for them to come back and de-gown and collect
their diplomas.  I left the high school (graduation was at
the middle school), and realized I'd forgotten the book I am
working on (a Flannery O'Connor collection) on my desk.  I
had a panic.  Two empty hours with nothing to read! Then I
made an emergency run to Borders and picked up _Balzac and
the Little Chinese Seamstress_ and _Bel Canto_.  I nearly
finished the Balzac book during the ceremony and it is quite
good.  Well, it turns out I was assigned to Ms. Book's room,
and Ms. Book is, believe it or not, an English teacher, so I
could have found plenty to read, and in fact she has a nice
cozy little reading corner set up with pillows, etc. that I
took advantage of.  I saw a list of students on the board
who I will be getting next year, and I know my current
freshmen, who complained bitterly about Ms. Book (as they
will complain bitterly about me*, I am sure) will be amused
at where I spent my evening.


*Actually, I got my rosters for next year today, and I have
about 15 of my current students again next year.  Two can't
stand me, one of them because I've caught her plagiarizing
3x, but I was extremely heartened when several of the others
were very happy about the news.  I also have Eammon's
daughter (my poetry teacher from last year).

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I found a computer that I like:  1.8 GHz Athlon Compaq with 256 MB
RAM, 80 GB HD, DVD/CD-RW.  Price (before tax) $579.99.

It doesn't have Word, which I need, but I can save up for that.

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02003-05-30 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Fri, 30 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
> > > exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
> > > do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
> > > that's pretty much what I do now.
> >
> > Oh never mind, Meet Me In Bathroom and send pictures of your toes.
> >
> > Ann
>
> My approach is to compose stories. I do some of my best work on the jon,
> and I feel certain it involves staring into space.

When you find you have nothing to read, you ... write? And
you call this pathetic state of affairs your "approach"?

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02003-05-30 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
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> > who I will be getting next year, and I know my current
> > freshmen, who complained bitterly about Ms. Book (as they
> > will complain bitterly about me*, I am sure) will be amused
> > at where I spent my evening.
>
> Only insofar as you interfere with their adolescent pursuits.
> My favorite rant was short and succinct:
>
> "How is Mrs. Coufal? "
> "You mean Coufal the Obsessed?"
>
> A little matter of different priorities in editing draft papers - the
> student in question considered editing a waste of precious life force.

YOU are advising RITA about adolescents?

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=
= The conviction of vocation must come from within one.
=
= Bethany


I think this merits respect.  As in, "Bethany's conviction of
vocation comes from within, and is a whole lot more than just
'giving up on screwing'".

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Fri, 30 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
=
= > On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
= >
= > > This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
= > > exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
= > > do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
= > > that's pretty much what I do now.
= >
= > Oh never mind, Meet Me In Bathroom and send pictures of your toes.
= >
= > Ann
= >
=
= My approach is to compose stories. I do some of my best work on the jon,
= and I feel certain it involves staring into space.
=
= clo

I was going to say something funny here, but I'm blocked.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I actually had an anxiety attack over not having something
> to read.  That's never happened to me before.  Tonight I had

It's why I bought that fast-food book in the Helsinki airport -- fear
that I might use up my other book before the flights ended.  But I
didn't.  I hate it when my book runs out before a flight ends,
particularly if it runs out with several hours of flying time left.

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steph wrote:
> =
> = The conviction of vocation must come from within one.
> =
> = Bethany
>
> I think this merits respect.  As in, "Bethany's conviction of
> vocation comes from within, and is a whole lot more than just
> 'giving up on screwing'".

Obviously.  Puns, like analogies, are rarely perfectly <balanced>.

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> YOU are advising RITA about adolescents?
>

Didn't we do this back on 9/1 (since as a newbie I don't get to claim
'91)? I didn't advise; I recounted an anecsdote.
clo

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, steph wrote:

> = On Fri, 30 May 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> = >
> = > Oh never mind, Meet Me In Bathroom and send pictures of your toes.
> = >
*other comments snipped*
> I was going to say something funny here, but I'm blocked.
>
At least you're in a good location for it!
clo

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Hi Evelyn,

I installed Catz on an XP Home machine with success.  I have not spent
much time playing with it but the basic functions work fine.  Have fun!

Rita L.

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> Did y'all know that Dr. Kildare was gay?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Yes.

  - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Yes.

Have you known it for long?

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In a message dated 05/31/2003 8:39:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
leonard@BC.EDU writes:

<<
I installed Catz on an XP Home machine with success.  I have not spent
much time playing with it but the basic functions work fine.  Have fun!

>>

Thanks!  That's good to know, that I'll still have my catz.

I'm going to be spending most of my free time downloading
files.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Yes.
>
> Have you known it for long?
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>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Years and years.

     - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Years and years.

Hmm.  I knew (or at least had heard) about Rock Hudson for years and
years before I saw it in The News.  But I read about Dr. Kildare just
this morning (on cbsnews.com).

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I'm looking forward to leaving for the co-op soon to interact with
animals.  I'll let y'all know if any of the dogs tell me interesting
stuff.  Wish Spencer could go, but he's not well trained enough to be
expected to sit under the table or whatever while I do whatever it is my
chores are going to be.  Maybe when my shift ends around noon, I'll come
home and get him and take him out there.
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-30 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I actually had an anxiety attack over not having something
>>to read.  That's never happened to me before.  Tonight I had
>>to work graduation, which means getting the kids gowned and
>>lined up in the right order, then sitting around for two
>>hours waiting for them to come back and de-gown and collect
>>their diplomas.  I left the high school (graduation was at
>>the middle school), and realized I'd forgotten the book I am
>>working on (a Flannery O'Connor collection) on my desk.  I
>>had a panic.  Two empty hours with nothing to read! Then I
>>made an emergency run to Borders and picked up _Balzac and
>>the Little Chinese Seamstress_ and _Bel Canto_.  I nearly
>>finished the Balzac book during the ceremony and it is quite
>>good.  Well, it turns out I was assigned to Ms. Book's room,
>>and Ms. Book is, believe it or not, an English teacher, so I
>>could have found plenty to read, and in fact she has a nice
>>cozy little reading corner set up with pillows, etc. that I
>>took advantage of.  I saw a list of students on the board
>>who I will be getting next year, and I know my current
>>freshmen, who complained bitterly about Ms. Book (as they
>>will complain bitterly about me*, I am sure) will be amused
>>at where I spent my evening.
>>
>
> This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
> exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
> do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
> that's pretty much what I do now.


        Cite please.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Saturday, May 31, 2003, 9:12:35 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Hmm.  I knew (or at least had heard) about Rock Hudson for years and
> years before I saw it in The News.  But I read about Dr. Kildare just
> this morning (on cbsnews.com).

Why is this news?

Karen

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02003-05-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > YOU are advising RITA about adolescents?
>
> Didn't we do this back on 9/1 (since as a newbie I don't get to claim
> '91)? I didn't advise; I recounted an anecsdote.

Please don't do it again ...

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02003-05-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >This happened to me last year. I wrote a paper about it and
> >exchanged a few emails. The recommendation was to sit still,
> >do nothing, and stare into space. It worked like a charm and
> >that's pretty much what I do now.
>
>
>        Cite please.

I have had no panic attacks of any kind in a year, LUSER.

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02003-05-30 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Fri, 30 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-05-30 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.samant.com/img/mumbai1998/
> > >
> > > Your parents?  Neat pictures.
> >
> > Yes. All the good ones are ^%$#%$# lost ... as usual
> >
>
> I think they look like very interesting people. What else is important?

Being interesting.

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, steph wrote:

>= The conviction of vocation must come from within one.
>=
>= Bethany
>
>I think this merits respect.  As in, "Bethany's conviction of
>vocation comes from within, and is a whole lot more than just
>'giving up on screwing'".

Thank you. You are 100% right. It's much more about taking on than giving
up.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Hmm.  I knew (or at least had heard) about Rock Hudson for years and
> > years before I saw it in The News.  But I read about Dr. Kildare just
> > this morning (on cbsnews.com).
>
> Why is this news?

You'd have to ask CBS.  Here's the url of the item:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/30/entertainment/main556368.shtml

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Hm, I thought this was the new blood Natalie mentioned...

wadada kenule wrote:

> DEAR FRIEND,
> MY GREETINGS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

> I AM WRITING TO YOU IN GOOD FAITH BASED ON YOUR
> PROFILE I RECEIVED FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN
> SOUTH AFRICA.

Did he(she?) ?

I guess I'm even going to read it through -- I would have already if
reading only capitals hadn't turned out so tiresome.

Krisrin


> I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER IN
> CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND
> SITUATION AS A WAR REFUGEE HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA.
>
> FEW WEEKS BEFORE THE LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO WAS
> FORCED OUT OF POWER, I WAS INSTRUCTED BY HIM TO MAKE
> AVAILABLE THE SUM OF US$22MILLION WHICH WAS TO BE
> TRANSFERRED ABROAD AND LODGED WITH A SECURITY COMPANY FOR
> SAFEKEEPING DISCLOSED AS FAMILY VALUABLES IN MY NAME
> PENDING FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. TWO WEEKS LATER ON MAY 16
> 1997, PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO GAVE UP POWER TO THE
> REBELS LED BY LAURENT KABILA, WHO WERE ADVANCING FROM
> KISINGANI AND FLED TO TOGO FROM WHERE HE LATER MOVED TO
> MOROCCO WHERE HE DIED ON SEPTEMBER 7, 1997 LESS THAN FOUR
> MONTHS AFTER HE WAS FORCED OUT OF POWER. HE WAS AGED 66
> YEARS.
>
> I MANAGED TO ESCAPE TO SOUTH AFRICA WITH MY SON KENNETH,
> AGED 17 WHERE I AM PRESENTLY RESIDING AS A WAR REFUGEE
> SHORTLY AFTER THE CAPITAL CITY KINSHASHA WAS OVERRAN BY
> REBELS. I LOST MY WIFE AND MY TWO CHILDREN, AND ALL MY
> POSSESSIONS DURING THE REBEL ONSLAUGHT ON THE CAPITAL CITY.
> THE LATE MOBUTU SESE-SEKO DURING HIS 30 YEAR RULE
> AMASSED A PERSONAL FORTUNE OF US$8BILLION WITH HOUSES
> IN SWITZERLAND AND FRANCE. HOWEVER, THE INCUMBENT
> PRESIDENT LAURENT KABILA MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE
> SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO
> FREEZE ALL HIS ASSETS AND CONFISCATE HIS PROPERTIES. I
> THUS DECIDED TO LIE LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY THE
> SITUATION, UNTIL WHEN THINGS GET BETTER LIKE NOW THAT
> PRESIDENT LAURENT KABILA IS DEAD AND HIS SON JOSEPH KABILA
> HAS TAKEN OVER.
>
> I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE SECURITY COMPANY ABROAD
> WHERE THE MONEY IS STILL LODGED AS FAMILY VALUABLES.
> WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU
> WILL ASSIST ME BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON MY BEHALF.
> ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE SO THAT I CAN GIVE YOU THE
> MODALITIES FOR THE CLAIM OF THE FUNDS. MAY I AT THIS POINT
> EMPHASIZE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY WHICH THIS
> BUSINESS DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST
> AND CONFIDENCE WHCH I HAVE REPOSED IN YOU.
> IF YOU WANT TO ASSIST, I SHALL PUT YOU IN THE PICTURE
> OF THE BUSINESS, TELL YOU WHERE THE FUNDS ARE
> CURRENTLY BEIGN MAINTAINED AND ALSO DISCUSS OTHER
> MODALITIES INCLUDING REMUNERATION FOR YOUR SERVICES. I
> AM WILLING TO GIVE YOU A REASONABLE PERCENTAGE OF THE
> MONEY AS SOON AS THE TRANSACTION IS CONCLUDED.
> FOR THIS REASON, KINDLY FURNISH ME YOUR CONTACT
> INFORMATION, WHICH IS YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX
> NUMBERS FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE AND ACKNOWLEDGE
> RECEIPT OF THIS MAIL USING THE EMAIL ADDRESS BELOW.
> kwadada@breathe.com
>
> YOURS SINCERELY,
> WADADA KENULE.
> --
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02003-05-31 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> I guess I'm even going to read it through -- I would have already if
> reading only capitals hadn't turned out so tiresome.

Read this, very few capitals, lot of littles:

http://j-walk.com/blog/docs/conference.htm

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
> >
> > ??
> > As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
> > Which I wouldn't deny, btw.
>
> But he wasn't bald in '98.

Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
weren't any more.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> >
> > But he wasn't bald in '98.
>
> Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
> weren't any more.

...weren't sexy any more now, I meant.

Kr.

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You will probably learn to delete unread anything with a header in all
caps. I get about 10-15 of those spam notes a day - sometimes 3-4 copies
of the same one.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> You will probably learn to delete unread anything with a header in all
> caps.

Usually I without opening delete everything that looks like spam. Which has
brought about some confusion as well: once I deleted a message from a
Hawaiian who sometimes, quite rarely, sends his messages to a former
co-worker of mine who hasn't got net access for himself. Later on I
remembered why the name of the sender seemed kind of familiar to me, so I
sent a message of apology to him and he could re-send his. The heading ,
'open carefully', was all in caps, btw.

Kristin

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > YOU are advising RITA about adolescents?
> >
> > Didn't we do this back on 9/1 (since as a newbie I don't get to claim
> > '91)? I didn't advise; I recounted an anecsdote.
>
> Please don't do it again ...
>

If I can't recount anecsdotes, all that will  be left is telling
cautionary tall tales from my family life. You asked for it, you got it.
clo

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-30 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > I think they look like very interesting people. What else is important?
>
> Being interesting.
>
True, being interesting is more important than looking interesting. Are
they?
clo

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>
> When you find you have nothing to read, you ... write? And
> you call this pathetic state of affairs your "approach"?
>

buttkisser.
clo

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Natalie, the dog-whisperer:
> Negative.  Some dogs talk.  Didn't you see "Babe"?

Or "Family Guy".

--
who's leg do y'hafta hump to get a martini around here?

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
> > >
> > > ??
> > > As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
> > > Which I wouldn't deny, btw.
> >
> > But he wasn't bald in '98.
>
> Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
> weren't any more.

I need more pictures of bald Tushykins.  Better yet, I need to see him
in the flesh at AcadiaFest.

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In a message dated 05/31/2003 5:01:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<<
Natalie, the dog-whisperer:
> Negative.  Some dogs talk.  Didn't you see "Babe"?

Or "Family Guy".

>>

Or "The People's Choice."

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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02003-05-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-05-30 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > I think they look like very interesting people. What else is important?
> >
> > Being interesting.
> >
> True, being interesting is more important than looking interesting. Are
> they?

Could be. I never felt like finding out.

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> Natalie, the dog-whisperer:
> > Negative.  Some dogs talk.  Didn't you see "Babe"?
>
> Or "Family Guy".
>
> --
> who's leg do y'hafta hump to get a martini around here?

That makes me miss Bernardykins.  He was a major leg-humper.  Spencer
doesn't do nearly as much humping, perhaps because his equipment was
butchered, which Bernard's wasn't.

Meanwhile, however, Spencer is the cleanest he's ever been.  After I
finished my tour of duty at the OCHS booth this morning, I came home and
got Spencer and took him back to socialize with the dogs and people and
to be bathed.  The bathers did a much more thorough cleaning job on him
than I ever do.  He didn't exactly like it, but he endured it pretty
well.

A St. Bernard walked up to me at one point today and whispered in my
ear, "What a crock this is.  Here we are strutting around acting polite
so that people will contribute to the shelter fund."  I think he was a
Republican.  Since he has a comfortable home and plenty to eat, he's not
worried about the shelter dogs.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > True, being interesting is more important than looking interesting. Are
> > they?
>
> Could be. I never felt like finding out.

Ha.

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02003-05-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-05-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > YOU are advising RITA about adolescents?
> > >
> > > Didn't we do this back on 9/1 (since as a newbie I don't get to claim
> > > '91)? I didn't advise; I recounted an anecsdote.
> >
> > Please don't do it again ...
> >
>
> If I can't recount anecsdotes, all that will  be left is telling
> cautionary tall tales from my family life. You asked for it, you got it.

There are many other topics. For instance, what's an "s" doing
in anecdote? Is that like a "t" in "amperstand" or "n" in "Tommy
Hilfinger"? Because this kind of extra consonant is a feature of
highly marked speech. Where by high we mean low, of course.

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02003-05-31 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
> > >
> > > ??
> > > As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
> > > Which I wouldn't deny, btw.
> >
> > But he wasn't bald in '98.
>
> Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
> weren't any more.

"Seems half to hint" .. thank you for a great description of
Dr Maynor's speech habits!

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One of the things I don't like about many (city) people with dogs
is they are never at ease. They have their st00pid butt clenched
24x7 on the issue of their dog's behavior. It's like new first-time
parents having their old friends over ... the atmosphere is uneasy
and no kind of mood or comfort can be established as it's constantly
being interrupted by dog-monitoring, often accompanied by pained
and/or embarrassed reprimands. Such people should not have dogs.
If I am a guest of, or meeting with, someone with a dog, I frankly
don't care what subtle and convoluted codes of conduct the poor
creature violates. Let them be! I hate every minute spent in the
company of power-trippers.

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I had almost forgotten about today's baseball game, what with dogs and
some interesting genealogical discoveries a little while ago, etc.
Turned on my speakers a few minutes ago and went to the "live audio" on
the web and found us sucking majorly.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
>> weren't any more.
>
>"Seems half to hint" .. thank you for a great description of
>Dr Maynor's speech habits!

Nice!

Bethany

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'Went bowling with the scouts today.  Out of 4 games, 'high score was 158
(had a mark of some type in frames 1-7 & 10, and left 8 and 9 open).  'Low
score was 114...  I think of the popular sports of baseball, golf, and
bowling about the same.  They each require a certain similar ('golf, a high)
amount of passive focus to do well at them.

Other pop-sports like basketball, and football, soccer, and the like have an
innate amount of psych and focus because they are more against an active, an
interactive, opponent than a ball, or object.

Tennis is somewhere in between, and I find it difficult... but golf is
prolly *the* most difficult game I have ever tried.

Other non pop-sports like bocce, sporting clays, croquet, require similar
focus to baseball and bowling.  Though they are social games, I am
challenged to do well at them and simultaneously "social".

What I'm getting at is: if the focus isn't there, performance generally
sucks ;-)  ... and it has also struck me that the athletes of today,
particularly of the interactive pop-sports, are all in top shape, and paid
to be so, but their performance, indeed their collective performance depends
upon psych, and that commonly is a product of a clear leadership and esprit
de corps, or spirit of the collective body.

Effective management should be keen on this.

'Alan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> I had almost forgotten about today's baseball game, what with dogs and
> some interesting genealogical discoveries a little while ago, etc.
> Turned on my speakers a few minutes ago and went to the "live audio" on
> the web and found us sucking majorly.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

>Tennis is somewhere in between, and I find it difficult... but golf is
>prolly *the* most difficult game I have ever tried.

Why is golf so hard? I have been thinking about trying it. Probably I will
not ride horses forever - I like to walk and I like to talk, and it seems
to me that I might like golf. Does that make any sense?

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
> On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> >Tennis is somewhere in between, and I find it difficult... but golf is
> >prolly *the* most difficult game I have ever tried.
>
> Why is golf so hard? I have been thinking about trying it. Probably I will
> not ride horses forever - I like to walk and I like to talk, and it seems
> to me that I might like golf. Does that make any sense?
>
> Bethany

All I can say about golf, Bethany, is that there's a lot of concentrated
energy delivered in an instant, and the margin for error is huge, as the
"sweet-spot" is tiny, miniscule.  Look for a driving-range in your area, buy
a bucket of balls and rent a club (with a 9-iron it is not so hard to keep
the ball in a straight line, but as you graduate up to flatter-faced irons,
and eventually to the 3 iron, not slicing, or hooking is a very real
challenge) and swing away... I think you'll see what I mean.  If you have
the right-stuff and find it simple, then I'd offer you four figures to learn
from your natural talent ;-)

'Sincerely, Alan

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5/31/2003, 5:30 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>Tennis is somewhere in between, and I find it difficult... but golf is
>>prolly *the* most difficult game I have ever tried.

BKD> Why is golf so hard? I have been thinking about trying it. Probably I will
BKD> not ride horses forever - I like to walk and I like to talk, and it seems
BKD> to me that I might like golf. Does that make any sense?

Great for walking and talking (assuming your buddies don't need
carts).  Just don't go crazy over whether or not the balls go in the
hole or whether you lose your balls.

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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

>All I can say about golf, Bethany, is that there's a lot of concentrated
>energy delivered in an instant, and the margin for error is huge, as the
>"sweet-spot" is tiny, miniscule.  Look for a driving-range in your area, buy
>a bucket of balls and rent a club (with a 9-iron it is not so hard to keep
>the ball in a straight line, but as you graduate up to flatter-faced irons,
>and eventually to the 3 iron, not slicing, or hooking is a very real
>challenge) and swing away... I think you'll see what I mean.  If you have
>the right-stuff and find it simple, then I'd offer you four figures to learn
>from your natural talent ;-)

Hmmmm ..... Thanks! I plan to get this a try. I'll let you know when I do,
Alan.

Bethany

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She bought a large Sharp at Lowe's in Tupelo today for $118 plus tax.  I
just read the e-mail report and asked permission to forward the
paragraph describing the purchase.  I'm sure she'll say yes, but the
gist of it is summarized above anyway.

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>>>  I am the proud owner of a Sharp microwave that I got at Lowe's in
>>>  Tupelo but I had them call Rex's to check the price because Lowe's
>>>  will match a price of a competitor.  Lowe's was $10 cheaper.  So a
>>>  BIG one for $118 plus tax!

>> That is great news!  Do I have permission to forward that first
>> paragraph to Words-L?

> Sure, send it!  Would have made it more literary and full of descriptions!

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Alan Wild wrote:

> to be so, but their performance, indeed their collective performance depends
> upon psych, and that commonly is a product of a clear leadership and esprit
> de corps, or spirit of the collective body.

We should have had two advantages today.  One is the home advantage,
meaning the players got to sleep in their own beds last night and there
were lots of cheering fans.  The other is that, from what I've read,
college baseball games in many places have small crowds, and thus the
opponents here sometimes feel discombobulated by the large crowd and
perhaps by the smells of the food cooking in Left-Field Lounge.  I think
I read that we had something like 12,000-13,000 at last night's game,
which is apparently considered high for a first-round game.  I have no
idea what the average crowd is for baseball games.  Anyway, those
advantages apparently didn't work today.  I didn't hear the final score,
but I think we got creamed.

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At 05:16 PM 5/31/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > > > Well, you were one sexy guy in '98.
> > > >
> > > > ??
> > > > As if you had never heard that bald men are often cosidered most sexy.
> > > > Which I wouldn't deny, btw.
> > >
> > > But he wasn't bald in '98.
> >
> > Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
> > weren't any more.
>
>I need more pictures of bald Tushykins.  Better yet, I need to see him
>in the flesh at AcadiaFest.

I was thinking that we need to have a Fest in Chicago some time.

B

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At 05:36 PM 5/31/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>One of the things I don't like about many (city) people with dogs
>is they are never at ease. They have their st00pid butt clenched
>24x7 on the issue of their dog's behavior. It's like new first-time
>parents having their old friends over ... the atmosphere is uneasy
>and no kind of mood or comfort can be established as it's constantly
>being interrupted by dog-monitoring, often accompanied by pained
>and/or embarrassed reprimands. Such people should not have dogs.
>If I am a guest of, or meeting with, someone with a dog, I frankly
>don't care what subtle and convoluted codes of conduct the poor
>creature violates. Let them be! I hate every minute spent in the
>company of power-trippers.

Exactly!  Who gives a rat's ass?

B

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At 07:30 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sat, 31 May 2003, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> >Tennis is somewhere in between, and I find it difficult... but golf is
> >prolly *the* most difficult game I have ever tried.
>
>Why is golf so hard? I have been thinking about trying it. Probably I will
>not ride horses forever - I like to walk and I like to talk, and it seems
>to me that I might like golf. Does that make any sense?

No. None.

B

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At 07:58 PM 5/31/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>She bought a large Sharp at Lowe's in Tupelo today for $118 plus tax.  I
>just read the e-mail report and asked permission to forward the
>paragraph describing the purchase.  I'm sure she'll say yes, but the
>gist of it is summarized above anyway.

YaY.  Always nice to get permission.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> I was thinking that we need to have a Fest in Chicago some time.

I'm for it.  I also think we should have one in Jamaica sometime.  I'll
be glad when Peter Levy resurfaces.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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The _Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress_ novel is
absolutely wonderful, should anybody care to pick it up.  It
was just the thing to read after getting back from the
roller skating party out in St. Peters, a booming white
flight suburb across the river.  Loud places like that
bother me anyway, but this one was presided over by three
overly large, somewhat dim, cornfed farm boys and came
complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
object being for the child to grab as many as possible
within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
Matilde.

I found my Flannery O'Connor collection in the truck, so I
didn't forget it on my desk afterall.  I now have 3 books in
progress and 9 in the on-deck pile, and that feels like a
comfortable reading cushion.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 05/31/2003 7:59:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
She bought a large Sharp at Lowe's in Tupelo today for $118 plus tax.
>>

Any special features?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Microwaves R Us

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> She bought a large Sharp at Lowe's in Tupelo today for $118 plus tax.
> >>
>
> Any special features?

She didn't say.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Saturday, May 31, 2003, 8:57:38 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
> birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
> little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
> object being for the child to grab as many as possible
> within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
> of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
> Matilde.

Matilde? Anyway, it's Roald Dahl.

Karen

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Saturday, May 31, 2003, 8:57:38 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> The _Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress_ novel is
> absolutely wonderful, should anybody care to pick it up.

More details, please. My reading group is looking for something.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, May 31, 2003, 8:57:38 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
>>birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
>>little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
>>object being for the child to grab as many as possible
>>within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
>>of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
>>Matilde.
>>
>
> Matilde? Anyway, it's Roald Dahl.


        Yes, it is Raold.  Braino.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, May 31, 2003, 8:57:38 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>The _Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress_ novel is
>>absolutely wonderful, should anybody care to pick it up.
>>
>
> More details, please. My reading group is looking for something.


        China, 1971, two uneducated teenage offspring of class
enemies (a dentist and a doctor) are sent for re-education
on some remote mountain.  They run into another teenager who
is the child of writers and who has a secret stash of books
(western classics), which are strictly forbidden.  A
contraband novel by Balzac proceeds to change them all in
unforseen ways.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Saturday, May 31, 2003, 9:47:46 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Saturday, May 31, 2003, 8:57:38 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
>>>birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
>>>little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
>>>object being for the child to grab as many as possible
>>>within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
>>>of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
>>>Matilde.
>>>
>>
>> Matilde? Anyway, it's Roald Dahl.


>         Yes, it is Raold.  Braino.

Roald, like Ronald without an n. Who's Mathilde?

Karen

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Saturday, May 31, 2003, 9:51:30 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         China, 1971, two uneducated teenage offspring of class
> enemies (a dentist and a doctor) are sent for re-education
> on some remote mountain.  They run into another teenager who
> is the child of writers and who has a secret stash of books
> (western classics), which are strictly forbidden.  A
> contraband novel by Balzac proceeds to change them all in
> unforseen ways.

This sounds wonderful.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, May 31, 2003, 9:47:46 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>Saturday, May 31, 2003, 8:57:38 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
>>>>birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
>>>>little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
>>>>object being for the child to grab as many as possible
>>>>within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
>>>>of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
>>>>Matilde.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Matilde? Anyway, it's Roald Dahl.
>>>
>
>
>>        Yes, it is Raold.  Braino.
>>
>
> Roald, like Ronald without an n. Who's Mathilde?


        Yes, I know.  I just can't type tonight. I have new
keyboarditis (Belle ate the cord on my old one this morning)
Matilda is one of his novels.  Also a movie that Ana loves
-- it was done by Danny DeVito.  One of Dahl's twisted
childhood works.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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How many cats does it take to hold down Wordslers' tongues?

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, May 31, 2003, 9:51:30 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        China, 1971, two uneducated teenage offspring of class
>>enemies (a dentist and a doctor) are sent for re-education
>>on some remote mountain.  They run into another teenager who
>>is the child of writers and who has a secret stash of books
>>(western classics), which are strictly forbidden.  A
>>contraband novel by Balzac proceeds to change them all in
>>unforseen ways.
>>
>
> This sounds wonderful.


        It's about 180 pages, I think... good length for a book
group.  Today I'll finish up Sailing Around the Room, then
move on to The Art of Travel (also very wonderful).  I'm
having trouble getting into Sons & Lovers, so I just made
that my purse book.  The last volume of Proust is going to
be the boat book this summer -- it just seems right for
being lazy.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sat, 31 May 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-05-31 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> >
> > If I can't recount anecsdotes, all that will  be left is telling
> > cautionary tall tales from my family life. You asked for it, you got it.
>
> There are many other topics. For instance, what's an "s" doing
> in anecdote? Is that like a "t" in "amperstand" or "n" in "Tommy
> Hilfinger"? Because this kind of extra consonant is a feature of
> highly marked speech. Where by high we mean low, of course.
>

My dad used to tell a complex story of a woman who went to a butcher
store to buy meat, and asked for a pound of kidleys. The butcher went
through several attempts for clarification, finally suggesting, "Oh, you
meant kidNEYS!". The woman responded, "I said kidleys, didl't I?"


clo

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Daughter Sara has friends from India who have
often served her a delicious snack food, and
recently their family in India sent a box of it to
Sara.  We are enjoying it here, and we don't know
the name of it.  It consists of circles of braided
<dough>, caraway flavor, probably  deep-fried.
When they speak of it the name sounds to us,
phonetically, like "murdeque".

What is it?

                       - D. M.

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I'm excited about seeing Betty in an hour. She's joing in my book club
today. We read Ian McEwan's ATONEMENT. It'll be fun to see her and maybe
I'll catch lunch at Cajun Pacific with her!

Sandra

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S Hess wrote:
>
> I'm excited about seeing Betty in an hour. She's joing in my book club
> today. We read Ian McEwan's ATONEMENT. It'll be fun to see her and maybe
> I'll catch lunch at Cajun Pacific with her!

I drank out of my Block Island mug this morning, which surely makes me
sort of into this configuration since it's associated with Bad Betty --
since we bought our BI mugs at the same time.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Yep. That's it. Your first statement about '98 seems half to hint as if he
> > weren't any more.
>
> "Seems half to hint" .. thank you for a great description of
> Dr Maynor's speech habits!

Huh? I didn't mean it.

First, I found that the way I used "half" was not quite proper. Let's change it
for "partly". Sure, I should have studied dictionaries *before* I took it down.
According to my Oxford an Longman here "half" in some constructions doesn't mean
"half" at all :-(

Secondly, the speech habits seem to be more general. Imagine somebody browsing
an elderly lady's, or, what would make a better example, a middle-aged lady's
photo album. "My, how beautiful you were when young!" one would say with sincere
admiration. (And then s/he may hasten to add something about the lady's having
retained her beauty. Which most likely would increase the speaker's
embarrassment.)

Kristin

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I'm looking fwd to a Geddy's mug.

;-)

----- Original Message -----
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> S Hess wrote:
> >
> > I'm excited about seeing Betty in an hour. She's joing in my book club
> > today. We read Ian McEwan's ATONEMENT. It'll be fun to see her and maybe
> > I'll catch lunch at Cajun Pacific with her!
>
> I drank out of my Block Island mug this morning, which surely makes me
> sort of into this configuration since it's associated with Bad Betty --
> since we bought our BI mugs at the same time.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Thanks to the hard work and true talent of MEM, Acadiafest shirts are now
ready for order.

Due to the beauty and color of the shirt, it needs six screens to create
it.  The first screen lays down a white so that the design is clear and
sharp on the forest green shirt.  This means the production costs will be a
bit high but still a value for this quality Beefy-T, short sleve
shirt.  The cost will be in the range of $16.  This might vary
slightly.  XX with be $1.50 more and XXX $3.00 more.  Mailing will be extra.

They will be produced on the stunning island of Hawaii and then shipped
across the ocean and the continent to the lovely island of Mount
Desert.  Acadiafest participants can purchase their shirts at the
event.  Other wordslers will be mailed their shirts from Maine.

Because time is getting near we will have a midnight Saturday, June 7th
deadline for ordering.  You can post your desire for one of these
attractive shirts to the list or you can email me back channel at
bonniev@panax.com.  I shall post a list and reminder on Wednesday morning
and again on Saturday morning.

Please don't even try to request a long-sleeved shirt or a blue shirt or a
tank top.  This is it.  Be happy.

The design, which Clyde and I find elegant and refined, worthy of the
beauty of Acadia National Park, can be viewed here:

http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html

 From the bottom of my heart, thank you Mem  !!!




         ---bonniev

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In a message dated 06/01/2003 7:21:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
How many cats does it take to hold down Wordslers' tongues?

>>

There's a Bewitched marathon this weekend on TVLand.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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The design is way too classy for a 'fest.

bonniev wrote:

> Thanks to the hard work and true talent of MEM, Acadiafest shirts are now
> ready for order.
>
> Due to the beauty and color of the shirt, it needs six screens to create
> it.  The first screen lays down a white so that the design is clear and
> sharp on the forest green shirt.  This means the production costs will be a
> bit high but still a value for this quality Beefy-T, short sleve
> shirt.  The cost will be in the range of $16.  This might vary
> slightly.  XX with be $1.50 more and XXX $3.00 more.  Mailing will be
> extra.
>
> They will be produced on the stunning island of Hawaii and then shipped
> across the ocean and the continent to the lovely island of Mount
> Desert.  Acadiafest participants can purchase their shirts at the
> event.  Other wordslers will be mailed their shirts from Maine.
>
> Because time is getting near we will have a midnight Saturday, June 7th
> deadline for ordering.  You can post your desire for one of these
> attractive shirts to the list or you can email me back channel at
> bonniev@panax.com.  I shall post a list and reminder on Wednesday morning
> and again on Saturday morning.
>
> Please don't even try to request a long-sleeved shirt or a blue shirt or a
> tank top.  This is it.  Be happy.
>
> The design, which Clyde and I find elegant and refined, worthy of the
> beauty of Acadia National Park, can be viewed here:
>
> http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>
>  From the bottom of my heart, thank you Mem  !!!
>
>
>
>
>         ---bonniev
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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There are a lot of reasons I love this list. As many reasons as there are
members. I was lucky to have Betty's company today at our book club. And
then to share lunch with her at www.cajunpacific.com (crawfish beignets,
fried soft shell crab po'boys and cornbread!!!!) She's a real trouper to
come all the way from Pinole out to the far reaches of our city...And she
read the entire book (!) and she's just such good company. Wouldn't have had
the pleasure of getting to know her were it not for this list.

Long live Words-L!

Sandra

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Exactly what we were going for.  Now maybe you'all won't spill beer all
over each other.

>The design is way too classy for a 'fest.
>
>
>>http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>>
>>  From the bottom of my heart, thank you Mem  !!!
>>        ---bonniev
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

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>
> In a message dated 06/01/2003 7:21:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
> natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> <<
> How many cats does it take to hold down Wordslers' tongues?
>
> >>
>
> There's a Bewitched marathon this weekend on TVLand.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

It's one of the best reasons to have digital cable. I'm ga ga over the
RIFLEMAN. Do they ever run THAT GIRL????

Sandra

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In a message dated 06/01/2003 4:21:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
It's one of the best reasons to have digital cable. I'm ga ga over the
RIFLEMAN. Do they ever run THAT GIRL????

>>

It's on analog cable here; pity Turner Classic Movies isn't.
I wish Mom would want digital cable so that we could get it.
But she doesn't want it; I guess she doesn't want the hassle
of a box on the TV and another remote.

I haven't seen That Girl in a long time; I always liked her father
on the show.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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I know...  It's a crime.  'Supposed to drink the stuff.

But hej, Bonnie, is it you'all or y'all ?  You've really got to get it
together with the apostrophes... then we'll worry about the beer.

;-)  'Alan



----- Original Message -----
From: "bonniev" <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
> Exactly what we were going for.  Now maybe you'all won't spill beer all
> over each other.
>
> >The design is way too classy for a 'fest.
> >
> >
> >>http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
> >>
> >>  From the bottom of my heart, thank you Mem  !!!
> >>        ---bonniev
> >--
> >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> >http://www.etext.org/~rita

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bonniev wrote:

> Because time is getting near we will have a midnight Saturday, June 7th
> deadline for ordering.  You can post your desire for one of these
> attractive shirts to the list or you can email me back channel at
> bonniev@panax.com.

Natalie -- one XL.

Bottom of the 10th.  Tied.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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S Hess wrote:

> Long live Words-L!

What she said.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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02003-06-01 | S Hess <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> There are a lot of reasons I love this list. As many reasons as there are
> members. I was lucky to have Betty's company today at our book club. And
> then to share lunch with her at www.cajunpacific.com (crawfish beignets,
> fried soft shell crab po'boys and cornbread!!!!) She's a real trouper to
> come all the way from Pinole out to the far reaches of our city...And she
> read the entire book (!) and she's just such good company. Wouldn't have
> had the pleasure of getting to know her were it not for this list.
>
> Long live Words-L!

What's words-l got to do with any of this? Take it email.

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02003-06-01 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > In a message dated 06/01/2003 7:21:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
> >
> > <<
> > How many cats does it take to hold down Wordslers' tongues?
> > >>
> >
> > There's a Bewitched marathon this weekend on TVLand.
>
> It's one of the best reasons to have digital cable. I'm ga ga over
> the RIFLEMAN. Do they ever run THAT GIRL????

Bewitched is interesting only as a story of a 2nd generation
immigrant girl. You can see a lot of those behavior patterns
rather well portrayed. Otherwise it's a dumb show ...

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02003-06-01 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Daughter Sara has friends from India who have
> often served her a delicious snack food, and
> recently their family in India sent a box of it to
> Sara.  We are enjoying it here, and we don't know
> the name of it.  It consists of circles of braided
> <dough>, caraway flavor, probably  deep-fried.
> When they speak of it the name sounds to us,
> phonetically, like "murdeque".
>
> What is it?

No clue. Any idea what part of India they are from?

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02003-05-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> The _Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress_ novel is
> absolutely wonderful, should anybody care to pick it up.  It
> was just the thing to read after getting back from the
> roller skating party out in St. Peters, a booming white
> flight suburb across the river.  Loud places like that
> bother me anyway, but this one was presided over by three
> overly large, somewhat dim, cornfed farm boys and came
> complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
> birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
> little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
> object being for the child to grab as many as possible
> within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
> of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
> Matilde.

This is another experience I wrote a paper about. My poetry
mentor congratulated me on the subtlety of my analysis. Her
name is Bridget.

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It's over.  We're out.  Lost 6-8 in eleven innings.  I bet the merchants
of Starkville are almost as unhappy as the players since word was that
we would be hosting a super-regional next week if we'd won this one (won
the whole thing, I mean, not just the game we just lost -- we'd have had
to win another game tonight if we'd won the one that just ended).

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At 12:34 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>S Hess wrote:
> >
> > I'm excited about seeing Betty in an hour. She's joing in my book club
> > today. We read Ian McEwan's ATONEMENT. It'll be fun to see her and maybe
> > I'll catch lunch at Cajun Pacific with her!
>
>I drank out of my Block Island mug this morning, which surely makes me
>sort of into this configuration since it's associated with Bad Betty --
>since we bought our BI mugs at the same time.

I told Sandra that you may be able to make our meeting in September.  Will
you be teaching then?

Betty

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At 10:02 AM 6/1/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>I'm excited about seeing Betty in an hour. She's joing in my book club
>today. We read Ian McEwan's ATONEMENT. It'll be fun to see her and maybe
>I'll catch lunch at Cajun Pacific with her!

And I was an hour late!  Met some wonderful women though and it's a neat
coffee house.  I'm looking forward to  going back.  Thanks for inviting me,
Sandra.  Lunch was wonderful.

Betty

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At 02:16 PM 6/1/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>There are a lot of reasons I love this list. As many reasons as there are
>members. I was lucky to have Betty's company today at our book club. And
>then to share lunch with her at www.cajunpacific.com (crawfish beignets,
>fried soft shell crab po'boys and cornbread!!!!) She's a real trouper to
>come all the way from Pinole out to the far reaches of our city...And she
>read the entire book (!) and she's just such good company. Wouldn't have had
>the pleasure of getting to know her were it not for this list.
>
>Long live Words-L!

Here!  Here!

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> I told Sandra that you may be able to make our meeting in September.  Will
> you be teaching then?

What meeting in September?  The book club?  Alas, I have said yes to
teaching Descriptive English Grammar fall semester.  And it's MWF, which
means no long weekends.

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> 02003-06-01 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > Daughter Sara has friends from India who have
> > often served her a delicious snack food, and
> > recently their family in India sent a box of it to
> > Sara.  We are enjoying it here, and we don't know
> > the name of it.  It consists of circles of braided
> > <dough>, caraway flavor, probably  deep-fried.
> > When they speak of it the name sounds to us,
> > phonetically, like "murdeque".
> >
> > What is it?
>
> No clue. Any idea what part of India they are from?

Got the answer.  The word is Murukkuh.

They are from the south part of India, I think.

                     - D. M.

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02003-05-31 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:36 PM 5/31/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >One of the things I don't like about many (city) people with dogs
> >is they are never at ease. They have their st00pid butt clenched
> >24x7 on the issue of their dog's behavior. It's like new first-time
> >parents having their old friends over ... the atmosphere is uneasy
> >and no kind of mood or comfort can be established as it's constantly
> >being interrupted by dog-monitoring, often accompanied by pained
> >and/or embarrassed reprimands. Such people should not have dogs.
> >If I am a guest of, or meeting with, someone with a dog, I frankly
> >don't care what subtle and convoluted codes of conduct the poor
> >creature violates. Let them be! I hate every minute spent in the
> >company of power-trippers.
>
> Exactly!  Who gives a rat's ass?

You don't and I don't, but people do. Dogs really don't deserve these
contemptible human head-games. I may go so far as to say even humans
don't. Knowmsain. I am going to make a LOT of money by earning every-
thing on "dividends" the next few years, and use it to rescue dogs
from degrading relationships.

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02003-06-01 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> And I was an hour late!  Met some wonderful women though and it's a neat
> coffee house.  I'm looking forward to  going back.

What was the median hat color?

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At 06:23 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > I told Sandra that you may be able to make our meeting in September.  Will
> > you be teaching then?
>
>What meeting in September?  The book club?  Alas, I have said yes to
>teaching Descriptive English Grammar fall semester.  And it's MWF, which
>means no long weekends.

Yes, September 7th.  Is that the only class you will be teaching this fall?

Betty

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Also -- re why not Pisgah -- that restaurant doesn't look like a
single-person kind of place, and the breakfast hours are late.

> http://www.pisgahinn.com/din.htm

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Betty wrote:

> Yes, September 7th.  Is that the only class you will be teaching this fall?

Yes.  I would say no to it except that there really isn't anybody else
to teach it.

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Where is an especially scenic place (as in either vicinity or specific
lodging) to stay between Knoxville and Lynchburg (VA)?  I'm finally
trying to get some structure into my life after floating in this odd
state of retirement for weeks.  I've now <finalized> plans for an
early-August trip to that Church family reunion I went to two years ago
in NC but missed last year since I was in Finland when it happened.
That's in early August.  Now I'm moving on to the pondering of
AcadiaFest plans.  (Without a dog, I wouldn't have to figure things out
so carefully.  But it's important to make specific plans pretty far in
advance when dog-care is going to be involved.)

I'm probably going to stay with some good friends in Lynchburg, VA, on
my way up (and maybe on the way back -- am thinking now only of the
upping).  These are my friends who moved from here to Richland,
Washington, and whom I saw in Seattle when I was Folklifefesting with
Wordslers '92.  They've moved since then to Virginia.  She's the friend
who comes to Starkville pretty often and always stays here when she
does.  I've mentioned her before.

Ok, so I looked at a map and realized that I could drive from here to
Lynchburg in a day if it was really necessary.  But I'm getting old and
thus less into driving huge distances straight through.  And I have no
reason to push it since I have more time than usual now.  And I'm not in
search of free places to stay -- i.e., I'm going to stay with friends in
Lynchburg because they're good friends and I want to, not because I'm
trying to save on a lodging bill.  So I'm looking now at thoughts of
stopping that first night somewhere in northeastern Tennessee or
southwestern Virginia -- somewhere in the very general vicinity of
Bristol.  I was also thinking about the fact that I can meander some --
that maybe I should hop over to the Blueridge Parkway since making
Starkville->Lynchburg two days instead of one will allow meandering
time.  And maybe I should do a Bonnie, as opposed to Alyce, thing and
stay somewhere <luxurious>.  I looked at this site:
http://www.pisgahinn.com/
It's not really all that expensive for a "standard room" -- no more than
I've paid in places like NYC.  But it's a little bit too far south -- a
little bit more meandering than I would prefer.  I'm looking for some
place a bit closer to I-81.  Do you have any thoughts about somewhere
scenic between Knoxville and Virginia?

If I still had a cell phone, I would just wing it and find somewhere on
an impulse.  But I will need to give phone numbers to Furrbabies.  (I've
talked to another possible Spencer care-giver.  She would come over and
check on him and feed him, and he could stay here.  I'm not sure which I
think is better, though -- that arrangement or Furrbabies.  And in
either case I need to be reachable.)

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At 06:31 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-01 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > And I was an hour late!  Met some wonderful women though and it's a neat
> > coffee house.  I'm looking forward to  going back.
>
>What was the median hat color?

Only one hat and I think it was red.  An eavesdropper above us was wearing it.

Betty

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At 04:24 PM 6/1/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:

>Here!  Here!

Where? Where?

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 04:24 PM 6/1/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>
> >Here!  Here!
>
> Where? Where?

words-l@listserv.uga.edu

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Where is an especially scenic place (as in either vicinity or specific

What highways will you be traveling?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> What highways will you be traveling?

I-81 is the logical route, but I can meander.

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Did y'all know that lions and zebras don't get ulcers because they leap
into action to take care of a particular situation but then don't worry
about it later?

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I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college reunion, and
just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
miss anything?

--Adam
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On Sunday, June 01, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college reunion, and
> just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
> miss anything?

Acadiafest t-shirts are available.

Karen

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no no no...

yes

----- Original Message -----
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> I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college reunion,
and
> just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
> miss anything?
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

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> I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college
> reunion, and
> just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
> miss anything?
>
> --Adam


I've never gone to a college reunion...only a high school reunion. Tell us
how it went!

Sandra

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> At 06:31 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-01 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > > And I was an hour late!  Met some wonderful women though and
> it's a neat
> > > coffee house.  I'm looking forward to  going back.
> >
> >What was the median hat color?
>
> Only one hat and I think it was red.  An eavesdropper above us
> was wearing it.
>
> Betty

Goodness, Tushar. This is San Francisco. No one wears hats. Clothing is
entirely optional. I'm sure I mentioned that this is a book club for
nudists, yes? How else can we distinguish ourselves from the other clubs?

Betty is cute!!!

Sandra

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> 02003-05-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > The _Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress_ novel is
> > absolutely wonderful, should anybody care to pick it up.  It
> > was just the thing to read after getting back from the
> > roller skating party out in St. Peters, a booming white
> > flight suburb across the river.  Loud places like that
> > bother me anyway, but this one was presided over by three
> > overly large, somewhat dim, cornfed farm boys and came
> > complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
> > birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
> > little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
> > object being for the child to grab as many as possible
> > within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
> > of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
> > Matilde.
>
> This is another experience I wrote a paper about. My poetry
> mentor congratulated me on the subtlety of my analysis. Her
> name is Bridget.


What's this got to do with Words-l?

Sandra

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At 02:16 PM 6/1/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>There are a lot of reasons I love this list. As many reasons as there are
>members. I was lucky to have Betty's company today at our book club. And
>then to share lunch with her at www.cajunpacific.com (crawfish beignets,
>fried soft shell crab po'boys and cornbread!!!!) She's a real trouper to
>come all the way from Pinole out to the far reaches of our city...And she
>read the entire book (!) and she's just such good company. Wouldn't have had
>the pleasure of getting to know her were it not for this list.
>
>Long live Words-L!

I can't remember why we were talking about the Falcon and the Snowman.
Someone else recommended it to Larry a long time ago, too.   We have never
seen it.  It's on the list.

Betty

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> At 02:16 PM 6/1/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> >There are a lot of reasons I love this list. As many reasons as there are
> >members. I was lucky to have Betty's company today at our book club. And
> >then to share lunch with her at www.cajunpacific.com (crawfish beignets,
> >fried soft shell crab po'boys and cornbread!!!!) She's a real trouper to
> >come all the way from Pinole out to the far reaches of our city...And she
> >read the entire book (!) and she's just such good company.
> Wouldn't have had
> >the pleasure of getting to know her were it not for this list.
> >
> >Long live Words-L!
>
> I can't remember why we were talking about the Falcon and the Snowman.
> Someone else recommended it to Larry a long time ago, too.   We have never
> seen it.  It's on the list.
>
> Betty

Cuz I'm going camping with Chris (known as the Falcon) and his wife, one of
my best friends, Cait. He's gonna teach me to fish for trout. I didn't know
trout don't have scales. They have a lot more outdoor experience than I do.
I'll learn a lot from them. I was to go hawking with him a couple weeks ago.
You put on boots and go stomping around in marshlands to get wild rabbits to
leap out and then the hawks snatch them. Something like that. I just came
back from their house. We made a list of stuff for our trip on Wed. We'll be
gone a week. I'll go nomail before I leave.

Sandra

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At 07:27 PM 6/1/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> > At 06:31 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-06-01 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > > > And I was an hour late!  Met some wonderful women though and
> > it's a neat
> > > > coffee house.  I'm looking forward to  going back.
> > >
> > >What was the median hat color?
> >
> > Only one hat and I think it was red.  An eavesdropper above us
> > was wearing it.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Goodness, Tushar. This is San Francisco. No one wears hats. Clothing is
>entirely optional. I'm sure I mentioned that this is a book club for
>nudists, yes? How else can we distinguish ourselves from the other clubs?



Sandra, I located Jerry Silverman's book.  It's called "Book-Collecting
Ain't for Sissies".  I have to re-read it and I also remembered that I
promised to share it with Myles.  I have the autographed copy #52 of the
numbered series. The special edition is limited to 200 numbered and 26
lettered copies. He said that unsubbing from words-l gave him time to write
it.  (7/7/98)

We're going to read Middlesex for our next book.  Anyone read it?


Betty

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02003-06-01 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
>Daughter Sara has friends from India who have
>often served her a delicious snack food, and
>recently their family in India sent a box of it to
>Sara.  We are enjoying it here, and we don't know
>the name of it.  It consists of circles of braided
><dough>, caraway flavor, probably  deep-fried.
>When they speak of it the name sounds to us,
>phonetically, like "murdeque".
>
>What is it?

muruku in tamil, chakli in kannada. Don' know what
it's called in marathi - deep-fried savory stuff that keeps
for a while. It's made using a press with changeable plates.
I haven't had it in years and years.

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02003-06-01 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-05-31 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > > The _Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress_ novel is
> > > absolutely wonderful, should anybody care to pick it up.  It
> > > was just the thing to read after getting back from the
> > > roller skating party out in St. Peters, a booming white
> > > flight suburb across the river.  Loud places like that
> > > bother me anyway, but this one was presided over by three
> > > overly large, somewhat dim, cornfed farm boys and came
> > > complete with a scene straight from Raoul Dahl for the
> > > birthday child -- a visit to the party machine, which is a
> > > little chamber that blows little coupons around with the
> > > object being for the child to grab as many as possible
> > > within 30 seconds.   Even Ana immediately grasped the irony
> > > of the device's unintended  similarity to "Get Sticky" in
> > > Matilde.
> >
> > This is another experience I wrote a paper about. My poetry
> > mentor congratulated me on the subtlety of my analysis. Her
> > name is Bridget.
>
> What's this got to do with Words-l?

It's a book about clothing-optional clubs. Duh!

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Adam:

>I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college reunion,
and
>just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
>miss anything?

Richard watches Family Guy.

(Hey Richard, did you know it's out on DVD? And is on the 'toon
network every night.)

-rashmi

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02003-06-02 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> muruku in tamil, chakli in kannada. Don' know what
> it's called in marathi -

Not unexpectedly, same as Kannada ...

> deep-fried savory stuff that keeps
> for a while. It's made using a press with changeable plates.
> I haven't had it in years and years.

True ... true ... me neither. We had a hi-tech metal press
which made everything more "efficient" ... BS ... we still
have it actually, although I came close to destroying it
after I took it apart ... that's another story ... but let
me tell you it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.

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> Did y'all know that Dr. Kildare was gay?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oh puhleeze. Really....did anyone think he wasn't?????

Sandra

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In a message dated 06/01/2003 9:18:55 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
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<<
no no no...

yes


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Are you a Vicar of Dibley fan?

Evelyn Duncan
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They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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6/1/2003, 7:34 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

AH> I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college reunion, and
AH> just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
AH> miss anything?

    Three guesses, first two don't count.

    You've been around long enough to know the answer to that one.
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           TRUTH BEHIND THE ALLEGED ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
                     H.E. Altay Cengizer


It is a fact that after nearly 700 years of peaceful coexistence
throughout which the Turkish and Armenian communities enriched each other
culturally, socially, economically and otherwise, all the while enjoying
exemplary mutual respect - http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/ - for the
want of which we today have to witness ethnic cleansing and carnage in
various parts of the world - the two communities saw their relationship
fall apart at the turn of the last century at the instigation of the
imperialist Powers of the time.

There are hundreds of scholarly works describing the ill-fated designs of
the imperialist Powers of the time on the already debilitated Ottoman
Empire. http://www.eraren.org/eng/boorev/book_review_osmanliermbuyukdevdipkurbani.htm

I would like to refer to I. V. Bestuzhev's article entitled "Russian
Foreign Policy, February-June 1914", which appeared in 1914: The coming of
the First World War, edited by Walter Laqueur and George Mosse: " The move
towards a rapprochement with Turkey after the Balkan Wars turned out to be
highly unpopular in Russian bourgeois-landlord circles, which were now
coming out in favor of a final division of the Ottoman Empire. With this
object in view, an entire system of measures was Turkey. It contemplated
the formation of an autonomous Armenia under Russian protection as the
most powerful means of exerting pressure. "

Eventually, thousands of armed Armenians did in fact spearhead a massive
Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia, faithfully fulfilling the promise
given to Tsar Nicholas II by the President of the Armenian national Bureau
on 5 November 1914 in Tbilisi: " From all countries Armenians are hurrying
to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian army, with their blood to serve
the victory of the Russian arms." http://www.turkses.com/issues/ermeni/telegraph.htm

The Armenian rebellion began in late 1914. More than 15,000 Anatolian
Armenians who went to the Russian South Caucasus for training returned to
join the local rebels. Telegraph lines were cut; roads through strategic
mountain passes were seized; hundreds of Ottoman officials were attacked,
particularly recruiting officers, throughout the east; outlying villages
were assaulted. In the service of the Tsarist armies, they seized the city
of Van in March 1915from a weak Ottoman garrison and proceeded to kill
60000 Turks. http://www.turkses.com/issues/ermeni/An_armenian_Massacre.htm

Boghos Nubar, one of the foremost leaders of the Armenians was telling the
truth in his letter to The Times of London, published on 30 January 1919,
begging the allies at the Paris Conference to recognize the"service"of the
Armenians. http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/letter_boghos_nubar.html

The Armenians have been, since the beginning of the war, de facto
belligerents, since they fought alongside the Allies on all fronts, in
Palestine and Syria, where the Armenian volunteers recruited by the
Armenian National Delegation at the request of the French Government, made
up more than 40,000 of their volunteers offered resistance to the Turkish
armies."

It is no secret that on the second day of August 1914, the long-running
sense of malaise in Europe came to a head and open and secret alliances
designed to preserve or to overturn the balance of power in Europe came
into operation, starting the massacre of the peoples of Europe. The
Ottoman Empire, during the years preceding the outbreak of the First World
War, did not take part in the alliance system that wrecked Europe. To be
precise, it was the Ottoman Empire itself, which was regarded as easy prey
within the wider imperialist designs and aspirations of the major Powers.
The Empire was not among the six ranking European Powers of the time, and
it had been under attack since July 1911.

At the time, nations living within the fold of the multi-ethnic empires,
including the Austro-Hungarian Dual Monarchy and the Russian Empire,
generally sought to better their lot, as nationalism was the fashion of
the day. However, the Armenian nationalistic movement was captured by its
war-mongering elements ready to start armed rebellion and employ terrorist
tactics.    http://www.zum.de/psm/div/osman/mowat27.php3

Power vying for the territories of the Ottoman Empire indeed found a
willing collaborator in the ultra Nationalist Armenian leadership, which,
at such a historic juncture, forsook the true and lasting interests of
their people, threw all the peoples of eastern Anatolia into imminent
danger knowingly risking widespread communal violence in their haste to
carve out an independent Armenia.
http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/p157-160.lager1.html

One should ask to what extent the Armenian leadership of the time bloodied
its hands by totally disregarding the dangers inherent in fomenting
violence and revolution at a time of war and became responsible for the
tragedy that befell the peoples of Anatolia, including those on whose they
pretended to speak. Clearly, the actions of the Armenian revels
exacerbated the growing division and mutual fear between the Turks and
Armenians of the Ottoman East. After all, outright terror was the chosen
weapon of Armenian rebels, and the lands they coveted were overwhelmingly
Turkish and Muslim in population.
http://www.turkses.com/issues/ermeni/documents_of_the_massacres_by_armenians_index.htm

The Armenian falsifiers today commemorate 24 April 1915 as an august date
in the history of their struggle, conveniently forgetting that the Allied
fleet had arrived at the head of the Gallipolis peninsula only three days
before, on 21 April 1915, http://www.gallipoli-association.org/ presenting
a tremendous threat to the country whose citizens of Armenian origin, at
the ranks of Foreign Minister, ambassadors, and thousand of accomplished
people in all walks of life, along with the peasantry, were leading an
uncomplicated life until the call to arms and rebellion wrecked stability.

As a matter of fact, the Armenian falsifiers conveniently disregard so
many facts essential to a humane, spirited, forward-looking and
constructive understanding of the tragic events which took place within
the gold of a dying and partly occupied country, that as a result, only
hatred and rage, unfortunately, govern their general attitude towards the
Turks.

In an article that appeared in the New York Review of Books on 8 April
1999, the eminent writer Ian Buruma highlighted some controversial aspects
of the focus on identity through victimization in contemporary society.
Buruma does not negate the memory of suffering, but he questions "when a
culture, ethnic, religious or national community bases its communal
identity almost entirely on the sentimental solidarity of remembered
victim hood, on the way lies historical myopia and, in extreme
circumstances, even vendetta". The problem, as Buruma sees it, is that
this "sense of victimization impedes understanding among people; it cannot
result in mutual understanding".

It is because of this predicament that the falsifiers would not see that
the Armenians who lived on cities where Ottoman control remained intact in
western Anatolia were deported nor molested; that when Tsarist armies
attacked and occupied eastern Anatolia, more than a million Turks and
Muslims had to fleas refugees and ere attacked on the roads by Armenian
bands; that there was a collapse of authority in eastern Anatolia in the
wake of the Tsarist assaults; that killings and massacres were done
mutually.

The Armenian falsifiers would rather prefer to claim that if any single
Turk was killed during these tragic times, then that was strictly
self-defense, that no civilian Turks were murdered, raped or pillaged
whereas even the Tsarist officers were horrified to see the frenzy of
massacring defenseless Turks perpetrated by armed Armenian gangs and
paramilitaries in the most vicious manner.
http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/revolutionary_quotes.html

The Armenian falsifiers would reject the description of the above-cited
tragic events as civil war and inter-communal violence, because they would
like us to ignore the Turkish suffering, solely focus on Armenian
suffering.

As one of the most respected scholars on the history of the Middle East,
Professor Bernard Lewis, wrote for Ha'aretz on 23 January 1998:

"The Armenians want to benefit from both worlds. On the one hand, they
speak with pride of their struggle against Ottoman despotism, while on the
other hand, they compare their tragedy with the Jewish Holocaust."

Even one dead is too many, Turkish or Armenian! But it was a civil war
within a world war, where all sides party to the conflict suffered
terribly. In the same area, at the time, an under the same conditions,
nearly 3 million Turks and other Muslims perished due to killings,
starvation and epidemics.
http://www.turkses.com/issues/ermeni/documents_of_the_massacres_by_armenians.htm

In bringing forth the question of guilt for this all-encompassing human
disaster, fabrications of documents have been taken as truth and authentic
documents have been ignored as a result of nationalistic Armenian
activism. http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/10q/q7.html

Unsubstantiated assertions and wartime propaganda have been accepted.
Whereas the brief of wartime propaganda have been accepted, whereas the
brief wartime propagandists was simply to make the enemies look as bad as
possible, and make themselves and their friends look as good as could be.
This is why the Armenian falsifiers still use the tainted and one-sided
documents distributed by the wartime British propaganda machine prepared
by the War Propaganda Bureau stationed throughout the war years at
Wellington House in London.


Likewise, historians who attempted to find out the truth have been called
" Genocide deniers ". A climate has been created in which historians fear
to examine history because of feared personal results. Politicians have
decided that they can legislate history, even though they know little or
nothing of that history. Slogans have replaced historical judgment.

The Armenian falsifiers are yet to produce a single authentic Ottoman
Government dispatch ordering the killing of Armenians. The alleged "
genocide of 1,5 million Armenians " should have left countless pieces of
evidence that would have saved the Armenian falsifiers from relying upon
wartime propaganda, one-sided stories of Christians Armenians and not the
Muslim Turks, as well as depending solely upon the truly heart-breaking
stories of the survivors. It would help them immensely to hear the Turkish
side of this argument instead of calling for honoring some of the dead and
not all of the dead.
http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/history_as_poison_and_antidote.html

The Permanent Representative of Armenia challenges us that we are " not in
a position to disprove with the help of historical data the irrefutable
fact of the Genocide ". I would take this statement as the normal outcome
of their particular worldview. If the facts do not fit their theories, the
falsifier nationalists would ignore them and look for other ways to make
their case. If relying on wartime propaganda and totally ignoring the
massacres of the Turks at the hands of the Armenian armed bands proves
inadequate at the end of the day to convince those who rightfully demand
robust historical data, evidence and analysis, then the falsifiers would
say, as is the case for the Permanent Representative of Armenia, that "
Ankara attempts to revive the medieval practice of blaming for the
violence the very victims of the violence, in the hope that the endless
repetition of the lie will make it true ". After all, in the pursuit of
radical nationalist agendas, there are no limits set for committing
intellectual crimes.

Turkey has never blamed thousands of innocent Armenian individuals, women
and children who perished in that era for finding themselves unaided and
at peril because of a radical politics in which they did not take part.
But we do blame the so-called nationalist revolutionaries who have
fomented war, sided by invading enemy armies, killed innocent people
because of their race and religion, thus beginning the action in the full
knowledge that they were thereby achieving their objective of creating two
warring sides. The majority of the Armenians had no wish for war, but they
had been driven into it by their senseless, revolutionary, radical and
nationalist leadership acting hand in hand with armed bands.


We do blame those who refuse to this day to see the Turkish suffering;
propagate that the Turks were and are evil personified; fail to take
honorably their part of the onus; refuse even to glance at documents which
do not fit their world view, and which do not promote their own political
ends.

I can further, in the words of the Permanent Representative of Armenia, "
Deliberately falsify and juggle with historical and political realities ".

The British were the closest party to these events, because they were the
principal occupying Power of the Ottoman Empire and its capital, Istanbul.
They had full control of the Ottoman Empire and its capital, Istanbul.
They had full control of the Ottoman Archives. As such, the British led an
in-depth investigation against 144 highly placed Ottoman officials
including Ministers, who were charged with war crimes against the
Armenians. Subsequently, 56 out of the 144 accused were deported to the
island of Malta to stand trial. After a wide-scale and frantic search of
all the archival material, Sir Horace Rumbold, the British High
Commissioner in Istanbul, wrote to London that the " evidence against
circumstances, the prosecution finds itself under grave disadvantage". But
he added, "He hoped that the American Government could supply a large
amount of documentary information ". (FO/3716500/E/3557)

In failing to find any legally acceptable evidence against the deportees,
Lord Curzon, the British Foreign Secretary at the time, informed Geddes,
the British Ambassador at Washington, that there was " considerable
difficulty " in establishing proof of guilt against the Turkish detainees
at Malta, and requested him " to ascertain if the United States Government
is in possession of any evidence that could be of value for the purpose of
prosecution". (FO/371/6502/E.5845)

On 13 July 1921, the British Embassy at the Washington gave the following
reply:

"I regret to inform Your Lordship that there was nothing therein which
could be used as evidence against the Turks who are being detained for
trial at Malta. Having regard to this stipulation and the fact that the
reports in the possession of the Department of State do not appear on a
any case to contain evidence against these Turks which would be useful for
the purposes of corroborating information already in possession of His
Majesty's Government, I fear that nothing is to be hoped from addressing
any further inquiries in this matter". (FO/371/6504/E.8519)

Subsequently, all charges against the Ottoman detainees were dismissed.

More recently, on 14 April 1999, Foreign Office spokesperson Baroness
Ramsay of Cartvale said the following:

"The British Government had condemned the massacres at the time. But in
the absence of unequivocal evidence that the Ottoman Administration took a
specific decision to eliminate the Armenians under their control at that
time, British Governments have not recognized those events as indications
of genocide. Nor do we believe it is the business of Governments of today
to review events of over 80 years ago, with a view to pronouncing them."

Furthermore, acting on behalf of the British Government, Baroness Scotland
of Asthal said the following in a written response on 7 February 2001:

" The Government, in line with previous British Governments, have judged
the evidence not to be sufficiently unequivocal to persuade us that these
events should be categorized as genocide as defined by the 1948 United
Nations Convention on Genocide, a Convention which was drafted in response
to the Holocaust and is not retrospective in application. The
interpretation of events in eastern Anatolia in 1915-1916 is still the
subject of genuine debate among historians."

So much for " the process of achieving international recognition of the
Genocide of Armenians which has appreciably gained momentum " according to
the Permanent Representative of Armenia. One should ask why a handful of
30-plus deputies out of nearly 600 parliamentarians were present when the
French Parliament voted on the so-called Genocide Resolution. The
Permanent Representative of Armenia should keep in mind the future when
the realities of a terrible war in which millions on all sides died will
no longer be ignored, and when a very different picture will emerge as
politics are avoided and the standard procedures of historical analysis
are applied to this question.  It will be seen then that there is a vast
difference between history written to defend one-sided nationalist
convictions and what true historical analysis should be.

Indeed, in presenting the Convention on the Prevention of the Crime of
Genocide for ratification, the Secretary-General of the United Nations
emphasized that genocide is a crime of "specific intent", requiring
conclusive proof.

I hope that the above information contributes to the correct perception of
the First World era events in eastern Anatolia.


Altay Gengizer


Additional Referance:
http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/
http://www.zum.de/psm/div/tuerkei/primaer.php3
http://www.turkishforum.com/armenian/armenian_summary.html
http://www.eraren.org/eng/boorev/book_review_osmdonerm.htm
http://www.eraren.org/eng/boorev/book_review_secretofcristian.htm

Annex to the letter dated 29 June 2001 from the Permanent Representative
of Turkey to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General
{Original: English}

Turkishforum added the letter web references, selected from various
Sources, with the intent of enhancing the understanding of readers.

This letter will be web posted to " Sozde Ermeni Soykirimi" section of
http://www.turkishforum.com/mesajpanosu/messages/board-topics.html In
which you will find more solid references and letters explaining the
Armenian Falsifications of History in detail.

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> >
> >What is it?
>
> muruku in tamil, chakli in kannada. Don' know what
> it's called in marathi - deep-fried savory stuff that keeps
> for a while. It's made using a press with changeable plates.
> I haven't had it in years and years.
>
> -rashmi

It is delicious.

    - D. M.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> I didn't say I was going, but this weekend I went to my college reunion, and
> just deleted 277 unread Words-L messages from Thursday night to now. Did I
> miss anything?

Yes, but we're going to punish you by not telling you what you missed
until you have given us a juicy WHTM about the reunion.

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sandra wrote:

>  I didn't know
> trout don't have scales.

I didn't know that either -- and I read _Trout Fishing in America_.

> They have a lot more outdoor experience than I do.

Trout spend very little time indoors.

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sandra wrote:
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> > Did y'all know that Dr. Kildare was gay?
> Oh puhleeze. Really....did anyone think he wasn't?????

I had no opinion on it.  I'm pretty sure I saw that tv show once but
almost certainly no more than once.  My memory of him is quite vague.

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I don't pay to subscribe to Top 5 List, so only get excerpts/teasers except
for once a weeek.  But these seemed relevant to this list.

dan


                   Excerpts from today's list:

                 The Top 20 Songs by the Beagles


20> You've Got To Hide Your Bones Away

12> I Want to Hump Your Leg

 8> Yelp!

 3> Lassie in the Sky With Dachsunds





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Salem, VA, just outside of Roanoke.

Cobpony

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My response to R.C. coming out is about the same as my brother's response when I
came out to him.

"Well, duh!"


BrP





> Did y'all know that Dr. Kildare was gay?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Dan Lester wrote:

>  But these seemed relevant to this list.

> 12> I Want to Hump Your Leg

Indeed!

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Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> Salem, VA, just outside of Roanoke.

Thanks for the suggestion.  If I'm going to go as far as Roanoke, I
might as well go on to Lynchburg, though.

Meanwhile, I was just about to ask whether any of you know anything
about Erwin, Tennessee.  It's not terribly far off of I-81 and appears
to be smack in the middle of prettiness.  Greeneville, TN, is a bit
closer to I-81, but the prettiness is probably more distant there.  And,
as I said last night, I don't mind meandering off I-81 a bit.  This
Erwin idea is grabbing me.

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:

>Salem, VA, just outside of Roanoke.

Sounds good to me. I have driven Knoxville-DC many times, but have
stopped only twice - one when travelling with older colleagues
TO SAMLA (Roanoke), once when I was so tired I simply stopped at the
first place I saw - also near Roanoke, as I recall. Wait - I did stop in
Blacksburg once - to visit a colleague at Virginia Tech.

Bethany

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> My response to R.C. coming out is about the same as my brother's response when I
> came out to him.
>
> "Well, duh!"

I still remember loving your list coming out -- as in the way you
described the situation.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-02 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > muruku in tamil, chakli in kannada. Don' know what
> > it's called in marathi -
>
> Not unexpectedly, same as Kannada ...
>
> > deep-fried savory stuff that keeps
> > for a while. It's made using a press with changeable plates.
> > I haven't had it in years and years.
>
> True ... true ... me neither. We had a hi-tech metal press
> which made everything more "efficient" ... BS ... we still
> have it actually, although I came close to destroying it
> after I took it apart ... that's another story ... but let
> me tell you it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.

Ah, a childhood anecccdote. You appear to be catching on!
clo

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> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > My response to R.C. coming out is about the same as my brother's response when I
> > came out to him.
> >
> > "Well, duh!"
>
> I still remember loving your list coming out -- as in the way you
> described the situation.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Hmmm.  I have no memory of what I said on that occasion.
No doubt it wassome sort of gushing about meeting the man of my dreams.

BrP

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Hmmm.  I have no memory of what I said on that occasion.
> No doubt it wassome sort of gushing about meeting the man of my dreams.

Yes, but it started out with how you had been hoping to meet the person
of your dreams and that you had expected her to be this and that but
that she had turned out to be he, etc.  (It was much funnier and a much
better descpription than my poor rendering of it.)

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> >
> > > Did y'all know that Dr. Kildare was gay?
> > Oh puhleeze. Really....did anyone think he wasn't?????
>
> I had no opinion on it.  I'm pretty sure I saw that tv show once but
> almost certainly no more than once.  My memory of him is quite vague.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Did you watch Shogun and The Thornbirds?

               - D. M.

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Not many events scheduled for Erwin:

http://www.netta.com/events_erwin.htm

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Did you watch Shogun and The Thornbirds?

No.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Not many events scheduled for Erwin:
>
> http://www.netta.com/events_erwin.htm

Been a long time since I went through Tennessee - I'd forgotten the
dialect was so distinctive!
clo

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>
>
>Where is an especially scenic place (as in either vicinity or specific
>lodging) to stay between Knoxville and Lynchburg (VA)?  I'm finally
>trying to get some structure into my life after floating in this odd
>state of retirement for weeks.  I've now <finalized> plans for an
>early-August trip to that Church family reunion I went to two years ago
>in NC but missed last year since I was in Finland when it happened.
>That's in early August.  Now I'm moving on to the pondering of
>AcadiaFest plans.  (Without a dog, I wouldn't have to figure things out
>so carefully.  But it's important to make specific plans pretty far in
>advance when dog-care is going to be involved.)
>
>I'm probably going to stay with some good friends in Lynchburg, VA, on
>my way up (and maybe on the way back -- am thinking now only of the
>upping).  These are my friends who moved from here to Richland,
>Washington, and whom I saw in Seattle when I was Folklifefesting with
>Wordslers '92.  They've moved since then to Virginia.  She's the friend
>who comes to Starkville pretty often and always stays here when she
>does.  I've mentioned her before.
>
>Ok, so I looked at a map and realized that I could drive from here to
>Lynchburg in a day if it was really necessary.  But I'm getting old and
>thus less into driving huge distances straight through.  And I have no
>reason to push it since I have more time than usual now.  And
>I'm not in
>search of free places to stay -- i.e., I'm going to stay with
>friends in
>Lynchburg because they're good friends and I want to, not because I'm
>trying to save on a lodging bill.  So I'm looking now at thoughts of
>stopping that first night somewhere in northeastern Tennessee or
>southwestern Virginia -- somewhere in the very general vicinity of
>Bristol.  I was also thinking about the fact that I can meander some --
>that maybe I should hop over to the Blueridge Parkway since making
>Starkville->Lynchburg two days instead of one will allow meandering
>time.  And maybe I should do a Bonnie, as opposed to Alyce, thing and
>stay somewhere <luxurious>.  I looked at this site:
>http://www.pisgahinn.com/
>It's not really all that expensive for a "standard room" -- no
>more than
>I've paid in places like NYC.  But it's a little bit too far south -- a
>little bit more meandering than I would prefer.  I'm looking for some
>place a bit closer to I-81.  Do you have any thoughts about somewhere
>scenic between Knoxville and Virginia?
>
>If I still had a cell phone, I would just wing it and find somewhere on
>an impulse.  But I will need to give phone numbers to
>Furrbabies.  (I've
>talked to another possible Spencer care-giver.  She would come over and
>check on him and feed him, and he could stay here.  I'm not
>sure which I
>think is better, though -- that arrangement or Furrbabies.  And in
>either case I need to be reachable.)
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> Do we care?

Care what?

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I found a Super 8 in Erwin! :-)  Actually, I checked on the only other
motel I found there (a HI Express) and found it was booked up.  As I've
said many times before, however, not all Super8s are like the one in
Butler, PA.  Many are quite nice.  This one looks to be.  Promises
pretty mountain views, etc.  And the price is right.

***********
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ERWIN | Staying from Jun. 29-30, 2003 | 1 Room | 1 Adult
SUPER 8 MOTEL - ERWIN
1101 North Buffalo Street
I-181 Exit #18
Erwin, Tennessee  37650
United States
423-743-0200

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SARS hasn't reached Quebec (la ville), has it?  Or, in case I have to
stop along the way, service stations or restaurants or restrooms between
Jackman, ME, and Quebec and then between Quebec and my exit from Canada
south of Montreal?  If I keep the car windows closed, no SARS germs will
get me on the highways, I assume.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Yes, but it started out with how you had been hoping to meet the person
> of your dreams and that you had expected her to be this and that but
> that she had turned out to be he, etc.  (It was much funnier and a much
> better descpription than my poor rendering of it.)

I remember that Paul expected "to find a woman in Syracusa, instead [he]
found a man in Toronto". I guess he used the nouns "woman" and man".

Kr.

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It's pretty much a Toronto thing right now.  Even so, I have had no trepidation in
travelling there.  I've been 4 or 5 times since it all began and come home healthy
every time.  The only thing that's different is that they hand me a little bright yellow
brochure(detailing symptoms to be watchful for) at the border when I tell them where
I've been.

BrP




> SARS hasn't reached Quebec (la ville), has it?  Or, in case I have to
> stop along the way, service stations or restaurants or restrooms between
> Jackman, ME, and Quebec and then between Quebec and my exit from Canada
> south of Montreal?  If I keep the car windows closed, no SARS germs will
> get me on the highways, I assume.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Yes, but it started out with how you had been hoping to meet the person
> > of your dreams and that you had expected her to be this and that but
> > that she had turned out to be he, etc.  (It was much funnier and a much
> > better descpription than my poor rendering of it.)
>
> I remember that Paul expected "to find a woman in Syracusa, instead [he]
> found a man in Toronto". I guess he used the nouns "woman" and man".
>
> Kr.

I think what surprised me at the time was that I had always thought that I could be
open to meeting either a man or a woman - though I had only had relationships with
women before that - and discovering that it in fact made absolutely no difference to
me that this time it was a man was enlightening.


BrP

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I remember that Paul expected "to find a woman in Syracusa, instead [he]
> found a man in Toronto". I guess he used the nouns "woman" and man".

Yes -- that was it -- something about a woman in Syracuse turning into a
man in Toronto.  Note to Karen and Alec:  not literally "turning into."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:53 AM
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>
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>> I remember that Paul expected "to find a woman in Syracusa,
>instead [he]
>> found a man in Toronto". I guess he used the nouns "woman" and man".
>
>Yes -- that was it -- something about a woman in Syracuse
>turning into a
>man in Toronto.  Note to Karen and Alec:  not literally "turning into."
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! www.aol.com



Thanks!

yay!


alec

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> Yes -- that was it -- something about a woman in Syracuse turning into a
> man in Toronto.  Note to Karen and Alec:  not literally "turning into."

You forget that a) Paul and I are Evil Twins so we understand each other
perfectly and b) I am gayer than he is.

Karen

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So I took the test as a gay man and scored a 52 (straighter than the average gay
man) and I took it as a straight man and scored a 48 (gayer than the average
straight man).  I should try it as a lesbian and see how I score.

BrP

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Pronouns

Cobpony

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> >
> >
> >Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> >> I remember that Paul expected "to find a woman in Syracusa,


I think Kristin is really an Italian.

           - D. M.

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We used to journey between Alabama and Pennsylvania to visit family.  Once we discovered Salem, we made it a point to stay there, regardless of what point we had reached in our trip.  The mountains and valley are breathtakingly beautiful.  I often wonder how those folk who live there ever get used to it.  Wytheville is wonderful, but second to Salem.

Cobpony

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rashmi outs me:
> Richard watches Family Guy.

Yes, it's a rather embarassing
admission to make.

>(Hey Richard, did you know it's out on DVD?

I'm still in the dark ages of VHS.

>And is on the 'toon network every night.)

...and who needs DVD when he can
record on the VCR?

--
video killed the radio star

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What about other artists?  For instance -

Bouvier Mucho
Basenji My Golly Wow!
Collie, Irresponsible.

Cobpony

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Subject: RE: Beagles songs
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynn Weber
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:42 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs
>
>
>What about other artists?  For instance -
>
>Bouvier Mucho
>Basenji My Golly Wow!
>Collie, Irresponsible.
>
>Cobpony
>

Lynn,

Welcome to words-l. Are you new?


alec

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Subject: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.C@mm**
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:51:58 -0400
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A new virus.


alec

>>Hi folks,
>

>
>This is an alert regarding W32.Sobig.C@mm, a mass-mailing worm
>which has
>been spreading rapidly since yesterday.  Infected messages forge the
>"From:" header to make messages appear to be coming from
>"bill@microsoft.com."  This worm affects machines running
>Windows 95, 98,
>ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  The worm arrives with an email
>attachment, which,
>if executed, will email itself to email addresses found in .wab, .dbx,
>.htm, .html, .eml, and .txt files on the local hard drive.
>
>Symantec AntiVirus virus definitions dated June 1, 2003 or later will
>detect W32.Sobig.C.  There have been a some reports of W32.Sobig.C@mm
>hitting campus so far.  The worm will deactivate itself on
>June 8, 2003.
>
>
>Characteristics
>---------------
>
>W32.Sobig.C@mm is a mass-mailing worm, which forges a "From" address of
>bill@microsoft.com.  It propagates itself to email addresses
>it finds on
>the local hard drive with these extensions:
>
>.wab
>.dbx
>.htm
>.html
>.eml
>.txt
>
>The subject line of the e-mail message is one of the following:
>
>Re: Movie
>Re: Submited (004756-3463)
>Re: 45443-343556
>Re: Approved
>Approved
>Re: Your application
>Re: Application
>
>and has one of the following attachment files:
>
>screensaver.scr
>movie.pif
>submited.pif
>45443.pif
>documents.pif
>approved.pif
>application.pif
>document.pif
>
>
>The worm also tries to copy itself to the following network shares:
>Document and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>
>
>When W32.Sobig.C@mm is executed, it performs the following actions:
>
>1. Copies itself as %Windir%\mscvb32.exe.
>
>NOTE: %Windir% is a variable. The worm locates the Windows installation
>folder (by default, this is C:\Windows or C:\Winnt) and copies
>itself to
>that location.
>
>2. Creates the following files:
>- %Windir%\msddr.dll
>- %Windir%\msddr.dat
>
>3. Adds the value:
>
>"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
>
>to the registry key:
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
>
>so that W32.Sobig.C@mm runs when you start Windows.
>
>4. If the operating system is Windows NT/2000/XP, then the
>worm will also
>add the value:
>
>"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
>
>to the registry key:
>HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
>
>5. Counts out the Network Resources and copies itself to the following
>folders:
>Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
>Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>
>6. Attempts to download data from four different GeoCities Web
>pages. The
>addresses of these Web pages are stored in the aforementioned
>.ini files.
>
>The payload for W32.Sobig.C@mm will deactivate on 6/08/2003, so no
>further infections are expected after 6/07/2003.
>
>
>Recovery
>--------
>
>Recovery from W32.Sobig.C requires downloading and running a
>removal tool
>from Symantec.  Please see
>http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sob
ig.c.removal.tool.html
to download the tool and for instructions concerning using the tool and
manual removal if you deem necessary.


Protection
----------

Symantec AntiVirus definitions dated 6/01/2003 or later will protect
against W32.Sobig.C@mm.

For more information, please see:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c@mm.html
http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/sobig_c.shtml
http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_SOBIG.C
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100343.htm
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32sobigc.html

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MessageTOP 10 DOG PET PEEVES ABOUT HUMANS

1. Blaming your farts on me...not funny...not funny!!

2. Yelling at me for barking... I'M A FRIGGIN' DOG YOU IDIOT!!

3. Taking me for a walk, then not letting me check stuff out. Exactly
who's walk is this anyway?

4. Any trick that involves balancing food on my nose...stop it.

5. Any haircut that involves bows or ribbons. Now you know why we chew
your stuff up when you're not home.

6. The sleight of hand, fake fetch throw. You fooled a dog! What a proud
moment for the top of the food chain, you nitwit.

7. Taking me to the vet for "the big snip", then acting surprised when I
freak out every time we go back.

8. Getting upset when I sniff the crotches of your guests. Sorry
but I haven't quite mastered that handshake thing yet.

9. How you act disgusted when I lick myself. Look, we both know the
truth, you're just jealous.

10. Dog sweaters. Have you noticed the fur? Imbecile.

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At 01:51 PM 6/2/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>A new virus.

I wondered about that---in the last two days, I have received email with
with the Application/Your Application/Approved/Submited (sic)
(004756-3463)subject lines. The last one, the "Submited" one, had a sender
address: Scholarship@ICES.org, which I suppose means that ICES.org got nailed.

cwv

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>"You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea." -
>Medgar Evers
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> Collie, Irresponsible.
>
> Cobpony

I like that one.

    - D. M.

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Subject: Speaking of Collies...
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Burl is pretty much as far from a collie as you can get, but every once in
a while she goes into what I call "Timmy's in the well!" mode, where she
has urgent information she must impart to me immediately, and I must
follow her so she can show me. (This usually involves something like an
urgent need to <go> (outside) or a lack of appropriate food in her bowl.)

I never have found out what happened to Timmy.

Karen

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human powered vehicle:
=
= --
= video killed the radio star

finally, one I recognize off the bat.

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And the perennial favorite, "Oh, Spaniel Eyes", and it's so true.

Cobpony

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Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.

Cobpony

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=
= I never have found out what happened to Timmy.
=
= Karen

The only thing Murphy ever desperately needs to show me is his
tummy.  As in he flops over at my feet and says, "Tummy Rub Time".

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>-----Original Message-----
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Does he say it in Dutch or English :)

alec

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Wouldn't Murphy have to say it in Gaelic?

Cobpony

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Gentle?  This is words-f***ing-L.

That was about as gentle as one can be around here.  Asterisks usually
forbidden.

dan

6/2/2003, 1:40 PM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.



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Gotcha.  I feel welcome already.

Cobpony

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Lynn Weber:
= Wouldn't Murphy have to say it in Gaelic?
=
= Cobpony

Dunno.  You going to start speaking Welsh to us?

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= >
= >The only thing Murphy ever desperately needs to show me is his
= >tummy.  As in he flops over at my feet and says, "Tummy Rub Time".
= >
=
= Does he say it in Dutch or English :)
=
= alec

The language of love.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:12 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Speaking of Collies...
>
>
>= >
>= >The only thing Murphy ever desperately needs to show me is his
>= >tummy.  As in he flops over at my feet and says, "Tummy Rub Time".
>= >
>=
>= Does he say it in Dutch or English :)
>=
>= alec
>
>The language of love.
>

Then it is speaking SQL.


alec

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human powered vehicle:

>rashmi outs me:
> > Richard watches Family Guy.

>Yes, it's a rather embarassing
>admission to make.

heh heh. Which is why I was so quick to spot a fellow-watcher.

> >(Hey Richard, did you know it's out on DVD?

>I'm still in the dark ages of VHS.

After holding out for the longest time I gave in recently and bought
a DVD player. I love it and so do my friends who've been lending me
their favorite DVDs.

> >And is on the 'toon network every night.)
>
>...and who needs DVD when he can
>record on the VCR?

I never got any episodes on VCR and really missed Stewie and the
gang when they went off the air.

-rashmi

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= >
= >The language of love.
= >
=
= Then it is speaking SQL.
=
=
= alec

Um..

select tummy
, rub
from stupid_pet_behaviors
where keep_going < sysdate

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> Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be
kind.
>
> Cobpony

1.  Welcome.
2.  How did you find us?
3.  Are you male or female?
4.  Where do you live?
5.  Care to tell us what Cobpony is all about?
6.  You don't have to answer anything if you don't want.


                       - D. M.

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Thank you for the welcome.  I am replying via this thread, as I inadvertently deleted your latest message.

I found Word-L by surfing LISTSERV groups, and entering the word "word".  Clever, eh?

I am female, I live in central Alabama, though I was born and raised in Phila., PA.  I am half Welsh, and my maiden name was Coburn, so I took Cobpony, as it is a type of Welsh pony.

I love animals, lit., music, etc., etc., but I have a passion for language, though it took me a long while to realize what it was I really cared about.  I am interested in everything and hope I have a good sense of humor.

May I hear about some of you?
Cobpony

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Can you get a child's M for Ana along with an L for me?

bonniev wrote:

> Thanks to the hard work and true talent of MEM, Acadiafest shirts are now
> ready for order.
>
> Due to the beauty and color of the shirt, it needs six screens to create
> it.  The first screen lays down a white so that the design is clear and
> sharp on the forest green shirt.  This means the production costs will be a
> bit high but still a value for this quality Beefy-T, short sleve
> shirt.  The cost will be in the range of $16.  This might vary
> slightly.  XX with be $1.50 more and XXX $3.00 more.  Mailing will be
> extra.
>
> They will be produced on the stunning island of Hawaii and then shipped
> across the ocean and the continent to the lovely island of Mount
> Desert.  Acadiafest participants can purchase their shirts at the
> event.  Other wordslers will be mailed their shirts from Maine.
>
> Because time is getting near we will have a midnight Saturday, June 7th
> deadline for ordering.  You can post your desire for one of these
> attractive shirts to the list or you can email me back channel at
> bonniev@panax.com.  I shall post a list and reminder on Wednesday morning
> and again on Saturday morning.
>
> Please don't even try to request a long-sleeved shirt or a blue shirt or a
> tank top.  This is it.  Be happy.
>
> The design, which Clyde and I find elegant and refined, worthy of the
> beauty of Acadia National Park, can be viewed here:
>
> http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>
>  From the bottom of my heart, thank you Mem  !!!
>
>
>
>
>         ---bonniev
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Alec,

If I may, what is your affiliation with Penn State?

Cobpony

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> Not a chance.
>
> Cobpony

WTF are you talking about?

Karen

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You'll hear about us soon enough if you wallow in our bog
for awhile.

Lynn Weber wrote:

> Thank you for the welcome.  I am replying via this thread, as I inadvertently deleted your latest message.
>
> I found Word-L by surfing LISTSERV groups, and entering the word "word".  Clever, eh?
>
> I am female, I live in central Alabama, though I was born and raised in Phila., PA.  I am half Welsh, and my maiden name was Coburn, so I took Cobpony, as it is a type of Welsh pony.
>
> I love animals, lit., music, etc., etc., but I have a passion for language, though it took me a long while to realize what it was I really cared about.  I am interested in everything and hope I have a good sense of humor.
>
> May I hear about some of you?
> Cobpony
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Touche(.

Cobpony

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> Touche(.
>
> Cobpony

<plonk!>

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Not a chance.

Cobpony

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At 04:32 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Lynn Weber wrote:
>Alec,
>
>If I may, what is your affiliation with Penn State?

Ummm.  Alec is at Penn, i.e., University of Pennsylvania (in
Philadelphia).  Some people at Penn might interpret your question as an
insult.  I believe that Alex is sufficiently mature that he won't do so.

cwv

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At 03:56 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>6.  You don't have to answer anything if you don't want.

...and <that> is the guiding principle.

cwv

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I can get the beginning and the end of the voiceover here:

http://www.trezart.com/numeric_diary/19_03_02.html

but I can't get the middle (and I don't have a sound card at work so I
can't hear any part of it at the moment).

I -think- I remember "C'est comme si qu'on" at the beginning and "Il
repond "rien" or "Il ne repond rien" or "Il repond rien", can't remember.
But I don't get the middle.

Ann

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>Can you get a child's M for Ana along with an L for me?
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Mem??  Can we get a child's M for Ana?   And, by the way, are these
Beefy-Ts 100% cotton?

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> I -think- I remember "C'est comme si qu'on" at the beginning and "Il
> repond "rien" or "Il ne repond rien" or "Il repond rien", can't remember.
> But I don't get the middle.

Oh yeah "cerveau" is in there somewhere, at the end of the first sentence,
I think.

Ann

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My awful error.  I knew it when I glanced back at the address, but it was too late.  Par for the course.  I know full well about Penn. Alec, forgive me.  Let's get off to a fresh start in the AM.

Cobpony

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I'm having dinner guests Wednesday night and am thinking about making
The Dish.  I just noticed that the copy I have of the recipe (identical
to what's in The Toal-House Cookbook) doesn't say anything about how
many people it serves.  I made it one time years ago and don't remember
how I reached a conclusion on how much.  The recipe as written uses one
pound of shrimp.  How much shrimp should I use for five people
(adjusting the other ingredients accordingly, of course)?  Actually,
there are going to be just four people, but I always make recipes for at
least one more than there will be, usually more than that.

How have you figured how much of it to cook at Snowbashes, Adam?  I'm
cc'ing lovejudith on this posting so that she also can advise.

Maybe I shouldn't do something that complicated -- complicated as in
having to do things at the last minute.  I don't mind complicated
recipes if they are make-in-advance recipes.  I like having everything
pretty much made when the guests arrive.  My crockpot Greek chicken is
perfect for guests, but I served it to these people the last time they
were at my house.  The only other thing I can think of that is
make-in-advance is lasagna, but that's more appropriate for large
groups.  Another thing I've thought of is just cooking orange roughy.
That also would be last-minute, but it would be easy.  Or I could do my
oyster-wildrice casserole, except that it also requires last-minute work
and it's been over a month now since we were in an R month.

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Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> We used to journey between Alabama and Pennsylvania to visit family.  Once we discovered Salem, we made it a point to stay there, regardless of what point we had reached in our trip.  The mountains and valley are breathtakingly beautiful.  I often wonder how those folk who live there ever get used to it.  Wytheville is wonderful, but second to Salem.
---------

I am storing this bit of info for future possibilities.  Meanwhile, I'm
glad I went on and made plans today since Furrbabies was almost totally
booked for July 4.  Spencer barely squeaked in.  (And yes, I've decided
that he would be happier there than staying here with a hired person
coming to feed him -- something I had been considering.  He enjoys being
around the other dogs at Furrbabies, and I know that he's safe there.
If, however, I get bad vibes this time, then I will cancel the
reservations I made for him for an early-August trip and will make other
arrangements.)

Anyway, the trip is now set.  I'm taking Spencer to Furrbabies Saturday
afternoon, June 28 (since they're not open for drop-offs/pick-ups on
Sunday mornings).  Will leave here early on the 29th and spend that
night in Erwin, TN.  On to Lynchburg the 30th.  Lynchburg to Providence
on July 1.  Then I will either go on to Winter Harbor on July 2 or will
do something else and go to WH on July 3.  I had first planned on
leaving here June 30 but decided to up it to the 29th just to have a
leeway day built in.  Will go from WH to Quebec July 6, spend the 7th
there, and head home as rapidly as possible the 8th, arriving home the
night of the 10th, picking up Spencer the morning of the 11th.

You got all that, Alec?  I may quiz you on it later.

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sandra wrote:

> 6. The sleight of hand, fake fetch throw. You fooled a dog! What a proud
> moment for the top of the food chain, you nitwit.

I've always wondered why people find it funny to do that.  I see nothing
at all funny about it.

> 8. Getting upset when I sniff the crotches of your guests. Sorry
> but I haven't quite mastered that handshake thing yet.

I think I mentioned before that I have this notice on my refrigerator:
1. The dog lives here.  You don't.
2. If you don't want dog hair on your clothes, stay off the furniture.
3. Yes, he has some disgusting habits.  So do I and so do you.
4. OF COURSE he smells like a dog.
5. It's his nature to try to sniff your crotch.  Please feel free to
sniff his.

> 10. Dog sweaters. Have you noticed the fur? Imbecile.

Bernardykins looked cute in his red velvet jacket, though.  He wore it
only on special occasions.

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On 2 Jun 2003 at 18:01, bonniev wrote:

> Mem??  Can we get a child's M for Ana?   And, by the way, are these
> Beefy-Ts 100% cotton?

For Rita, we can move mountains, lasso the sun, whatever.

Preshrunk, 6.1 ounce, 100 percent cotton.

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> sandra wrote:
>> 6. The sleight of hand, fake fetch throw. You fooled a dog! What a
>> proud moment for the top of the food chain, you nitwit.
>
> I've always wondered why people find it funny to do that.  I see nothing
> at all funny about it.

I love doing this with my cat. I don't know that it makes me laugh. It
does encourage me to keep on playing, though, which is what she wants.

Karen

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> >"You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea." -
> >Medgar Evers
> >

Another Medgar Evers quote I like is "I was born in Mississippi and I
plan to die in Mississippi."  I don't think he meant quite so soon, of
course, but I share his feeling on the subject.  Actually, I think he
said Jackson, not Mississippi in general.  Same idea, though.  Daddy
always said that also -- about Jackson in particular.  When they moved
to the Reservoir, which was Rankin County, mailing address Brandon, he
said that it bothered him not to be in Hinds County.  He never realized
that he lived the last few years of his life in another state.
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steph:
> finally, one I recognize off the bat.

Yah.  The .sigjokes[tm] always refer
back to the text of the message.

The dailytsigtags[pat. pend.] are, well,
what they are (is Tushar looking?).

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> Gentle?  This is words-f***ing-L.
> LW> Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.

KIND, Dan, she said KIND, not GENTLE.

jeez.

luv,
 Karen

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> > Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be
> kind.
> >
> > Cobpony
>
> 1.  Welcome.
> 2.  How did you find us?
> 3.  Are you male or female?
> 4.  Where do you live?
> 5.  Care to tell us what Cobpony is all about?
> 6.  You don't have to answer anything if you don't want.
>
>
>                        - D. M.


How many egg slots does your fridge have?

Sandra

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dashrashmi on DVDs:
> After holding out for the longest time

Oh, I'll join the modern world some
time, but all I use the thing for
is to tape cartoons off TV, so 'til
then, I'm down wit d'VCR.

> missed Stewie and the

What the deuce?

--
Richard         mountain man in the dumpster, eh?

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--On Monday, June 02, 2003 5:29 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Lynchburg to Providence
> on July 1.

So what are you doing on the 1st?

Terry

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> http://www.trezart.com/numeric_diary/19_03_02.html

Ah.  I realize now that one must turn on speakers -- that this is a
sound file.

> I -think- I remember "C'est comme si qu'on" at the beginning and "Il

I hear "je comme si" at the beginning.

> repond "rien" or "Il ne repond rien" or "Il repond rien", can't remember.

I don't hear "rien" at the end.

> But I don't get the middle.

I don't get much of anything.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Oh yeah "cerveau" is in there somewhere, at the end of the first sentence,
> I think.

I didn't hear enough of an [o] at the end of that word to think it was
cerveau.  I was thinking it was something more like servu.  But my
French is long gone.

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Natalie, don't overlook some things along the way. Last week, John Rice
Irwin gave his Museum of Appalachia to a non-profit board so that it can
continue - and also receive funding in the future. Homecoming is the best
time to go, but anytime is pretty cool. It is 16 miles north of Knoxville,
one mile off I-75 at Norris, Tennessee. For further information, call the
Museum at 865-494-7680 or 494-051.

(It was at the MofA that I first saw nervous goats.)

See: http://www.museumofappalachia.com/

Bethany

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> dashrashmi on DVDs:
> > After holding out for the longest time
>
> Oh, I'll join the modern world some
> time, but all I use the thing for
> is to tape cartoons off TV, so 'til
> then, I'm down wit d'VCR.

Fwiw, I've still used my DVD player only once.  Got it at the
after-Thanksgiving special -- iow, over six months ago.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> > Lynchburg to Providence
> > on July 1.
>
> So what are you doing on the 1st?

Don't know, other than that I'll probably be arriving late -- think it's
a pretty long drive -- and that I'll be crashing with lovejudith and
Paul.

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 2 Jun 2003 at 18:01, bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>Mem??  Can we get a child's M for Ana?   And, by the way, are these
>>Beefy-Ts 100% cotton?
>>
>
> For Rita, we can move mountains, lasso the sun, whatever.
>


        You are the list gem.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:

>I am female, I live in central Alabama, though I was born and raised in
Phila., PA.  I am half Welsh, and my maiden name was Coburn, so I took
Cobpony, as it is a type of Welsh pony. [etc[

So what do you do all day?

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> >I am female, I live in central Alabama, though I was born and raised in
> Phila., PA.  I am half Welsh, and my maiden name was Coburn, so I took
> Cobpony, as it is a type of Welsh pony. [etc[
>
> So what do you do all day?
>
> Bethany

Glad nobody thought of asking me that!
clo

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> See: http://www.museumofappalachia.com/

Thanks for the tip.  I will see what time it is when I'm in that
vicinity and, if I'm ahead of schedule, perhaps stop.

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> I am female, I live in central Alabama, though I was born and raised in Phila., PA.

Sylacauga?  How did you get from Philadelphia to Sylacauga?

> May I hear about some of you?

Oh yes.  You don't even have to ask.  You will hear *lots*.

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Lynn Weber wrote:
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> Alec,
>
> If I may, what is your affiliation with Penn State?

Eek.  He's at Penn, not Penn State.  He will be unhappy at the
confusion.  (Or at least students/graduates don't like it when that
happens.  Maybe employees are different.)

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Your address is @downeast.net, right?  And you've gotten direct e-mail
from me at that address, right (as in not list mail)?  Like just a day
or so ago, I think, plus various times in the past.  Some ISPs block
mail from bellsouth.net, which is my outgoing mailserver for
natalie@maynor.net, and never even tell you it's been blocked.  I just
wanted to check because I sent e-mail to my friends in WH, who use
downeast.net.  I think my past correspondence with them has been from
ra.msstate.edu.  They're not avid e-mailers, so it may be a few days
before they reply.  That's why I'm asking you this question.  I would
feel better knowing it got through to them.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> It will be worth it. Ask for John Rice Irwin if you do - and give him my
> best regards. I take students up sometimes, and I have known him for many
> years.

I'm putting this into my acadiafest file, which I plan to review shortly
before departure.

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> See: http://www.museumofappalachia.com/
>
>Thanks for the tip.  I will see what time it is when I'm in that
>vicinity and, if I'm ahead of schedule, perhaps stop.

It will be worth it. Ask for John Rice Irwin if you do - and give him my
best regards. I take students up sometimes, and I have known him for many
years.

Bethany

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--On Monday, June 02, 2003 7:22 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Don't know, other than that I'll probably be arriving late -- think it's
> a pretty long drive -- and that I'll be crashing with lovejudith and
> Paul.
>

Are you going to kidnap them and bring them to Maine?

Terry

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>> So what do you do all day?
>>
>
>Glad nobody thought of asking me that!

So what do you do all day, clo?

Bethany

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> How have you figured how much of it to cook at Snowbashes, Adam?  I'm
> cc'ing lovejudith on this posting so that she also can advise.

I use two pounds of dry pasta and two 2-pound bags of shrimp, and about 12
ounces each of grated Parmesan and pecorino romano.

As to how I figured out that ratio, well, the first time I made it I knew
one box of pasta wouldn't be enough, and everybody likes shrimp (cepfer
Neal) so I figured the more, the better.

I also use an entire head of garlic.

--Adam
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Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.

Welcome!  How did you find us?

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> Yes, not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.

Welcome to the list, Lynn.

Have you checked out http://www.words-l.org ?

Is it possible for you to include the message you're replying to in your
replies?

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

I need to turn off the computer -- thunder is raging outside my
windows.  But I have a quick question.

> I use two pounds of dry pasta and two 2-pound bags of shrimp, and about 12
> ounces each of grated Parmesan and pecorino romano.
>
> As to how I figured out that ratio, well, the first time I made it I knew
> one box of pasta wouldn't be enough, and everybody likes shrimp (cepfer
> Neal) so I figured the more, the better.

It's not the ratio I was wondering about -- it was the "serves how
many."  You're talking above about serving ten or fifteen or so people,
right?  What would you do for five people?

> I also use an entire head of garlic.

I think I've mentioned before that for many years I thought "a clove of
garlic" meant the whole thing -- the head with all its little nuggets.
Never mattered.

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> > Not a chance.
> >
> > Cobpony
>
> WTF are you talking about?

Words-L at its gentlest.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> > Don't know, other than that I'll probably be arriving late -- think it's
> > a pretty long drive -- and that I'll be crashing with lovejudith and
> > Paul.
>
> Are you going to kidnap them and bring them to Maine?

They very much want to go to Acadiafest, but the problem is that Paul
may be having hernia surgery right before that.  They're thinking now
that that will be the case and that they can't make it.  But they
haven't given up total hope yet.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Is it possible for you to include the message you're replying to in your
> replies?

I thought she had been doing that most of the time -- just not in those
occasional mysterious replies.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> http://www.trezart.com/numeric_diary/19_03_02.html

All I got was Baba Yaga and some pictures of little screens at the
bottom.  Just as well since I need to log off for a while.

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:06:46 -0400
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--On Monday, June 02, 2003 7:58 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> They very much want to go to Acadiafest, but the problem is that Paul
> may be having hernia surgery right before that.  They're thinking now
> that that will be the case and that they can't make it.  But they
> haven't given up total hope yet.
>

And neither shall we.  It is terrible when health issues interfere with
life! ;-)  Of course our best goes out to Paul.

Speaking of health, I think it's time for a Gene and Doris check-in.
Doris, how are things going?

Terry

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I'm still winnowing down my shelves. I've got a couple books that might be
of interest to one or so of you. First to claim them, gets them. Just email
your mailing address.

BOOK COLLECTING by Leslie Zeller...A Value Guide to Buying, Sellinga nd
Appraising American Rare Books and First Editions  1978. Ppbk. 157 pgs

THE CLOSING OF THE AMERICAN MIND by Allan Bloom. 1987. Ppbk. 392 pgs.

Lemme know.

Thanks! I'll post any others I think might be of interest.

Sandra

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one book book up for grabs....I had this in hard and paperback, so I'm
letting go of the paperback (brand new).

The Bass Saxaphone by Josef Skvorecky (fiction) (2 novellas). He's a Czech
author. It's a well-regarded book.

Sandra

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Speaking of health, I think it's time for a Gene and Doris check-in.
> Doris, how are things going?

I agree.  I've felt pretty good about the situation, though, since Doris
has posted on various topics in the past few days.

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> It's not the ratio I was wondering about -- it was the "serves how
> many."  You're talking above about serving ten or fifteen or so people,
> right?  What would you do for five people?

I'd use one pound of dried pasta for 5 people.

--Adam
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--On Monday, June 02, 2003 8:30 PM -0500 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> I agree.  I've felt pretty good about the situation, though, since Doris
> has posted on various topics in the past few days.


Agreed.  Wonder if she's making rhubarb goodies.  I need to go pick some.
Rhubarb crisp sounds yummy.

Terry

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > It's not the ratio I was wondering about -- it was the "serves how
> > many."  You're talking above about serving ten or fifteen or so people,
> > right?  What would you do for five people?
>
> I'd use one pound of dried pasta for 5 people.

You're confusing me.  My memory of the recipe, not having it in my
vision at the moment, is that it said something like one pound of shrimp
and two cups of pasta.  Turning the pasta into pounds throws things into
disarray.  Tell me cups for pasta or pounds for shrimp.

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Agreed.  Wonder if she's making rhubarb goodies.  I need to go pick some.
> Rhubarb crisp sounds yummy.

If Doris claims that the rhubarb pie she brought to Jigglefest was bad,
I really, really want to taste a good rhubarb goody.  I loved that
rhubarb pie.

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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Subject: RE: The Dish
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> You're confusing me.  My memory of the recipe, not having it in my
> vision at the moment, is that it said something like one pound of shrimp
> and two cups of pasta.  Turning the pasta into pounds throws things into
> disarray.  Tell me cups for pasta or pounds for shrimp.

I don't know how many cups are in a 1-pound box of pasta. Go to the store
and buy a one-pound box of rotini or whatever pasta you prefer.

One pound of shrimp and 2 cups of pasta will NOT be enough for 5 people,
that's for sure. I'd go with two pounds of shrimp and a pound of dried
uncooked pasta.

For the cheese, which I'm not sure is in Judith's recipe or not, I'd still a
lot of each - maybe 1/2 cup of each.

I'm going to bed now. I'll answer more questions tomorrow morning from work.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > You're confusing me.  My memory of the recipe, not having it in my
> > vision at the moment, is that it said something like one pound of shrimp
> > and two cups of pasta.  Turning the pasta into pounds throws things into
> > disarray.  Tell me cups for pasta or pounds for shrimp.
>
> I don't know how many cups are in a 1-pound box of pasta. Go to the store
> and buy a one-pound box of rotini or whatever pasta you prefer.

I have lots of pasta around.  I'm into pasta.  I just hadn't noticed
that it was measured in pounds.  I will go into my kitchen and check
this matter out.  But my real problem is that with a recipe that says X
number of pounds of shrimp and X number of cups of pasta, I'm going to
have to get into major figuring to do the conversions -- as in figuring
out what X pounds of pasta would be in cups and then figuring the shrimp
et al on that basis.  Cooking life is very compicated.

> One pound of shrimp and 2 cups of pasta will NOT be enough for 5 people,
> that's for sure. I'd go with two pounds of shrimp and a pound of dried
> uncooked pasta.

It struck me as not enough also.  I'm glad I inquired.  And I thank you
for your reply.

> For the cheese, which I'm not sure is in Judith's recipe or not, I'd still a
> lot of each - maybe 1/2 cup of each.

I can't remember those fine points now.  I do think cheese was
mentioned, though.

> I'm going to bed now. I'll answer more questions tomorrow morning from work.

Me too.  Going to bed now.  Not answering questions from work, though,
being a non-worker for the first June of my adult life.  It's feeling
good.  I was thinking a day or so ago how it's kind of sad that
retirement comes when you're old.  How absolutely wonderful it would
have been earlier in life to have free time.  It's great now, but it
would have been even greater if I were thirty or whatever.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > Speaking of health, I think it's time for a Gene and Doris check-in.
> > Doris, how are things going?
>
> I agree.  I've felt pretty good about the situation, though, since
Doris
> has posted on various topics in the past few days.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie

Checking in.  Gene is doing fine.  He sat around in his pj's and
robe for a few days, thoroughly bored, and although he is supposed
to be doing absolutely nothing at this point, I awake in the morning
to find he has showered and shaved and by now he is dressing
again in regular clothes and if we don't watch him I'll swear he
will be back out trimming the bushes or heading for the farm.
He doesn't mind well and forgets (purposely) he is not supposed
to lift anything or go up or down any stairs, etc.

I drove him to a blood lab today to have blood taken and he had
to sit in the back because he can't sit in front of an airbag.
Tomorrow I drive him to heart rehab for exercising.  I think I'll
get me a cute little chauffeur's cap.

He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it. I think in some ways my life
will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.  I'm whining.
Please overlook.  I'm always slow at accepting change.

                                    - D. M.

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One last note before going to bed:  It really sux that the US dollar is
so low.  I was just browsing about on hotel sites in Quebec, but it's
not like the <good old days> when those dollars were much lower than US
dollars.  Let's hear it for Dubya and his band of thieves.  He and
Cheney et al are no doubt not worrying -- the tax scam is going to save
them thousands.  This administration is the scariest of my life.  At
least in this country.  Dubya, Cheney, et al are chortling in glee right
now at the huge profit they and their buddies will get from the tax
scam.  I find my country's current situation depressing beyond words.
(And that's not really about the exchange rate.  That was just a minor
thing that prompted my outburst.  I consider other things far more
serious and depressing -- things like the government lies and the
imperialism.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>> So what do you do all day?
>>
>> Bethany
>
>Glad nobody thought of asking me that!
>clo

For my money, the best response ever to this question is still Bad Betty's.

For those with short memories, it was: "I radiate Cal students!"

Ken Miller
Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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I've heard there's a very real concern of deflation...




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> One last note before going to bed:  It really sux that the US dollar is
> so low.  I was just browsing about on hotel sites in Quebec, but it's
> not like the <good old days> when those dollars were much lower than US
> dollars.  Let's hear it for Dubya and his band of thieves.  He and
> Cheney et al are no doubt not worrying -- the tax scam is going to save
> them thousands.  This administration is the scariest of my life.  At
> least in this country.  Dubya, Cheney, et al are chortling in glee right
> now at the huge profit they and their buddies will get from the tax
> scam.  I find my country's current situation depressing beyond words.
> (And that's not really about the exchange rate.  That was just a minor
> thing that prompted my outburst.  I consider other things far more
> serious and depressing -- things like the government lies and the
> imperialism.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Checking in.  Gene is doing fine.  He sat around in his pj's and
> robe for a few days, thoroughly bored, and although he is supposed
> to be doing absolutely nothing at this point, I awake in the morning
> to find he has showered and shaved and by now he is dressing
> again in regular clothes and if we don't watch him I'll swear he
> will be back out trimming the bushes or heading for the farm.
> He doesn't mind well and forgets (purposely) he is not supposed
> to lift anything or go up or down any stairs, etc.

I realize that he really does need to follow the orders about what not
to do, but I nevertheless think it's a good thing in almost every way
that he is defying them in small ways.  I am a great believer in the
importance of wanting to <get up and go>.  The psychological effects
surely offset to at least some extent the physical effects.  (You of
course need to rein him in to some extent.)

> He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
> books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
> were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it. I think in some ways my life
> will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.  I'm whining.
> Please overlook.  I'm always slow at accepting change.

You're in no way a whiner.  And even if you were, whining would be quite
acceptable right now.  You are <entitled> to whining.  But I'm curious
about the kinds of changes you're having to make in his diet.  What kind
of blah stuff?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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=
= He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
= books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
= were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it. I think in some ways my life
= will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.  I'm whining.
= Please overlook.  I'm always slow at accepting change.
=
=                                     - D. M.

You're doing fine.  Would you like some help thinking up non blah
stuff to cook?

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> He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
> books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
> were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it. I think in some ways my life
> will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.  I'm whining.
> Please overlook.  I'm always slow at accepting change.
>
>                                     - D. M.

Maybe if you give us the guidelines, we can come up with some tasty
suggestions :)

Sandra

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Checking in.  Gene is doing fine.  He sat around in his pj's and
> robe for a few days, thoroughly bored, and although he is supposed
> to be doing absolutely nothing at this point, I awake in the morning
> to find he has showered and shaved and by now he is dressing
> again in regular clothes and if we don't watch him I'll swear he
> will be back out trimming the bushes or heading for the farm.
> He doesn't mind well and forgets (purposely) he is not supposed
> to lift anything or go up or down any stairs, etc.

My Dad was determined to do this as well (this is the man who
went to the dr. with a "stomachache" that turned out to be an
appendix that had burst 3 weeks previously, and who climbed
a ladder to fix the roof in a full leg cast, after a tree rolled while
he was cutting it and broke it (his leg).

Luckily a friend who had had the surgery some time before came
to see him in the hospital and demonstrated the "click" of a sternum
that never healed because he was too active too soon. The nurse
assured us, though, that it hurts a lot to be active too soon, and
that usually stops saner men from overdoing.

PS the guy with the separated sternum was functioning just fine
in life too, so don't be too worried.

> He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
> books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
> were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it. I think in some ways my life
> will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.  I'm whining.
> Please overlook.  I'm always slow at accepting change.
>                                     - D. M.

Go right ahead. It's a tremendous strain. In fact, whine more -
you'll get feedback, and even a little good advice!
clo

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--On Monday, June 02, 2003 9:43 PM -0500 Doris Markland
<dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

> Checking in.  Gene is doing fine.

Glad to hear it.  Sounds like a food thread coming up...

And how's Doris, other than in need of tastier tidbits?

Terry

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In a message dated 06/02/2003 9:38:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
Checking in.  Gene is doing fine.
>>

That's great; how are YOU doing?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Monday, June 2, 2003, 2:51:56 PM, steph wrote:
> = I never have found out what happened to Timmy.
> =
> = Karen

> The only thing Murphy ever desperately needs to show me is his
> tummy.  As in he flops over at my feet and says, "Tummy Rub Time".

I wish! Burl leaves little tufts of fur everywhere she goes because
she won't let me touch her tum.

Karen

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Monday, June 2, 2003, 6:07:43 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > Not a chance.
>> >
>> > Cobpony
>>
>> WTF are you talking about?

> Words-L at its gentlest.

I never committed to gentleness.

Karen

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In a message dated 06/02/2003 10:41:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I wish! Burl leaves little tufts of fur everywhere she goes because
she won't let me touch her tum.


>>

Have you tried catnip spray on her brush?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Monday, June 2, 2003, 10:45:27 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Have you tried catnip spray on her brush?

I use a comb. I've never exposed her to catnip at all in any form.

Karen

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Monday, June 2, 2003, 9:43:09 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
> books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
> were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it.

Garlic is your friend.

Karen

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:55:39 -0400
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Wild family order:

1 XL
1 L
2 YM (10-12)
1 CS (child small or the closest to a size 3/4 if available)

Thanks,
Terry

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>The design, which Clyde and I find elegant and refined, worthy of the
>beauty of Acadia National Park, can be viewed here:
>
>http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>
> From the bottom of my heart, thank you Mem  !!!

What would we do without mem?

As usual, I'd like to order three (3) XL shirts.  (One to lose, one to
accidentally ruin, one to keep.)

Alas, this doesn't mean I'll be coming to AcadiaFest, unless I win the
lottery and can tell my employer to take my job and forcibly maneuver it
into an occluded location where solar-emitted electromagnetic radiation in
the visible spectrum cannot penetrate.  But I will be there in spirit.

Ken Miller
Department of Festal Matters

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In answer to many comments and questions in this
thread:

Some of what I was given at the hospital seemed like
conflicting information . . long lists of foods he should
not eat, which seemed to me to include almost everything . .
and then I was told he must eat at least 3000 calories a
day for some time while rebuilding his strength . . and
it should be served in several meals a day . . and I'm
wondering how in hell you get 3000 calories out of what
was not on the list . . and how in hell I could cook several meals a
day out of oatmeal and egg whites and a can of spray. . .
and how I'd even find the time to think up this mystery
menu much less fix it.  Sending an Iowa farm girl into
the kitchen without butter, salt or eggs is like giving a
baseball player a square to use for a ball.  It's a whole
new game.

I've bought some books and I need to sit and read until
I get a feeling for this new area.  Thanks for offering help
but at this point I don't want suggestions.  Neither of us
cares for garlic.  Nor have we ever been fond of any kind
of beans.  We do not like heavily spiced foods.  In addition
to no-no's like the obvious ones, we are for a time to limit
foods with vitamin K, such as broccoli and another long
list of usual foods, because Gene is on a blood thinner.

So, some of you asked how I'm getting along, and I must
say I'm in transition.  It is a strange feeling to have my life
style so affected overnight by a change in another person's
body.

Oddly, I sat up tonight and watched Adaptation.
(Weird movie)

                                    - D. M.

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Monday, June 2, 2003, 9:43:09 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
 > He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
 > books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
 > were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it.

Doris, why do you have to eat the same thing you cook for him?  It might
not be all that hard for you to fix tastier things for yourself.  I won't
eat lamb or duck.  Clyde seems perfectly willing to fix me a salmon dish on
the evenings he cooks those things.

        --bonniev

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        You can keep whining.

        When my dad was doing radiation on his throat, my mom had a
tough time coming up with stuff for him to eat (he's a tough
guy -- he stayed on solid food right to the end of the
treatments).  She called me every weekend and spent 1 1/2
hours detailing everything he'd eaten for the week.

sandra wrote:

>>He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
>>books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first efforts
>>were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it. I think in some ways my life
>>will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.  I'm whining.
>>Please overlook.  I'm always slow at accepting change.
>>
>>                                    - D. M.
>>
>
> Maybe if you give us the guidelines, we can come up with some tasty
> suggestions :)
>
> Sandra
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 1:59:36 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> day out of oatmeal and egg whites and a can of spray. . .

I can't answer your question about how to get 3000 calories/day out of
oatmeal, eqgwhites, and a can of spray, but I will make a suggestion:
spend $10 to buy a Misto. It's worth it. This is the spray canister
for oil--you can buy them at Bed, Bath, and Beyond, among other other
places. Much nicer than the cans, and you can use real oil, without a
lot of extra nasty-tasting crap.

> Sending an Iowa farm girl into
> the kitchen without butter, salt or eggs is like giving a
> baseball player a square to use for a ball.  It's a whole
> new game.

LOL. Good metaphor.

> In addition
> to no-no's like the obvious ones, we are for a time to limit
> foods with vitamin K, such as broccoli and another long
> list of usual foods, because Gene is on a blood thinner.

This makes it very tough, I'm sure.

> So, some of you asked how I'm getting along, and I must
> say I'm in transition.  It is a strange feeling to have my life
> style so affected overnight by a change in another person's
> body.

Thinking of it as Gene having a baby, maybe?

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

>
> > >Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > >
> > >>  in Syracusa,
>
> I think Kristin is really an Italian.

Beacause though I knew it'd be neat to check up whether there is -a or
-e at the end of it I didn't do that and simply chose -a?

Kristin

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This may be a first -- the EO and I are on the same side of an issue:

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"There clearly now is going to be an orgy of mergers and acquisitions,"
said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., a member of the Senate Commerce
Committee. He called the FCC's decision "dumb and dangerous."

South Carolina Sen. Ernest Hollings, the committee's ranking Democrat,
and Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott, the former Republican leader, joined
Dorgan in threatening congressional action to block the initiatives.
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from:
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Richard:

> > missed Stewie and the

>What the deuce?

Which part are you deucing about? "Stewie" - Peter and Lois'
infant child. has a snarky British accent. "missed" - FG was off
the air until couple weeks ago when Cartoon Network started
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> Monday, June 2, 2003, 9:43:09 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>  > He is adjusting to the new diet better than I am.  I did buy some
>  > books and I'm trying, but it's going to take time.  My first
efforts
>  > were such blah stuff I couldn't eat it.
>
> Doris, why do you have to eat the same thing you cook for him?  It
might
> not be all that hard for you to fix tastier things for yourself.  I
won't
> eat lamb or duck.  Clyde seems perfectly willing to fix me a salmon
dish on
> the evenings he cooks those things.
>
>         --bonniev

I will do some of that, but I don't want to fix two
meals every time.

                - D. M.

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>
> > So, some of you asked how I'm getting along, and I must
> > say I'm in transition.  It is a strange feeling to have my life
> > style so affected overnight by a change in another person's
> > body.
>
> Thinking of it as Gene having a baby, maybe?
>
> Karen

Good.  Yes, another entity has entered the picture.

            - D. M.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >
> > > >Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>  in Syracusa,
> >
> > I think Kristin is really an Italian.
>
> Beacause though I knew it'd be neat to check up whether there is -a or
> -e at the end of it I didn't do that and simply chose -a?
>
> Kristin

Yes . . but I was amused, not critical.

                 - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > > >Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>  in Syracusa,
> > >
> > > I think Kristin is really an Italian.
> >
>
>  . . but I was amused, not critical.

This -cusa seems so natural! Yet, now to think, maybe more Italian than
English.

Kristin

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I am a secretary (no, not administrative assistant) to the Chief of Police here, and have been for 27 years and 8 months, and I feel every minute of it.  I have been very happily married for 31 years; my husband is ill, but he is a game fighter.  And that's probably more than you want to hear, for now.

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       AP Photo  
"Reputed Columbus Remains in Spain Exhumed (AP)
- A chest containing the supposed remains of Christopher
Columbus was exhumed Monday for DNA and other tests
to determine whether the bones are really those of the
famed explorer.  The test aims to settle a long debate over
where Columbus is buried in Spain's Seville Cathedral or
in a sprawling monument in the Dominican Republic's
capital, Santo Domingo."

This is interesting to me.  I've been in Columbus' home in
Santo Domingo, and it was the strangest feeling . .
standing on the second floor before a huge open window
with a breeze blowing through the house from the sea.
I want his bones to be found there.

                        - D. M.

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I was staring a a sweet potato while eating my cereal this morning
(since I couldn't stare at the newspaper since it had drowned in the
pouring rain) and started remembering how in childhood we would
sometimes suspend a sweet potato in a class of water on a windowsill and
watch it sprout.  Did y'all do that?  My main question is why we did
it.  What was the point?  Iirc, there was nothing particularly pretty
about the sprouts.  And I don't remember the ultimate fate of the
potato.  Did we just stare at its sprouts for a while and then throw it
away?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   I think I'll
> get me a cute little chauffeur's cap.

:-)

>> to find he has showered and shaved and by now he is dressing
>> again in regular clothes and if we don't watch him I'll swear he
>> will be back out trimming the bushes or heading for the farm.
>
>  I think in some ways my life
> will be changed more by his heart surgery than his will.

Oh, yeah, especially if he wouldn't obey orders and would shower and shave.
Still, it's so naturally human. I hope he'll wait, however, before he starts
working in the garden or farm.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynn Weber
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 5:33 PM
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>
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>Alec,
>
>If I may, what is your affiliation with Penn State?
>
>Cobpony
>

Close, University of Pennsylvania- www.upenn.edu The other school in
Pennsylvania.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of clyde w. voigtlander
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>At 04:32 PM 6/2/2003 -0500, Lynn Weber wrote:
>>Alec,
>>
>>If I may, what is your affiliation with Penn State?
>
>Ummm.  Alec is at Penn, i.e., University of Pennsylvania (in
>Philadelphia).  Some people at Penn might interpret your question as an
>insult.  I believe that Alex is sufficiently mature that he
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>
>cwv
>

Alec and we tend to laugh at the confusion.

alec

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I was staring a a sweet potato while eating my cereal this morning
> (since I couldn't stare at the newspaper since it had drowned in the
> pouring rain) and started remembering how in childhood we would
> sometimes suspend a sweet potato in a class of water on a windowsill and
> watch it sprout.  Did y'all do that?  My main question is why we did
> it.  What was the point?  Iirc, there was nothing particularly pretty
> about the sprouts.  And I don't remember the ultimate fate of the
> potato.  Did we just stare at its sprouts for a while and then throw it
> away?

Whew, Natalie, you're a sobering example for hopeful molders
of young minds!

The point of the exercise - if you think about it, it won't seem
surprising - was to see what happens under the ground as plants
grow. Anything that sprouts quickly and will put out roots in a
jar of water would have worked. My mom used: avocado pits,
beans, potatoes, orange seeds, et al. It's elementary school
science.

clo

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> I was staring a a sweet potato while eating my cereal this morning
> (since I couldn't stare at the newspaper since it had drowned in the
> pouring rain) and started remembering how in childhood we would
> sometimes suspend a sweet potato in a class of water on a windowsill
and
> watch it sprout.  Did y'all do that?  My main question is why we did
> it.  What was the point?  Iirc, there was nothing particularly pretty
> about the sprouts.  And I don't remember the ultimate fate of the
> potato.  Did we just stare at its sprouts for a while and then throw
it
> away?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

This sounds famililar.  I think we did that.

          - D. M.

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> I was staring a a sweet potato while eating my cereal this morning
> (since I couldn't stare at the newspaper since it had drowned in the
> pouring rain) and started remembering how in childhood we would
> sometimes suspend a sweet potato in a class of water on a windowsill and
> watch it sprout.  Did y'all do that?  My main question is why we did
> it.  What was the point?  Iirc, there was nothing particularly pretty
> about the sprouts.  And I don't remember the ultimate fate of the
> potato.  Did we just stare at its sprouts for a while and then throw it
> away?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


Now kids make clocks out of potatoes. I assume it works as will with one
variety as another. I used to sprout everything. I loved growing and taking
care of all sorts of veggie remnants.

Sandra

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> I am a secretary (no, not administrative assistant) to the Chief
> of Police here, and have been for 27 years and 8 months, and I
> feel every minute of it.  I have been very happily married for 31
> years; my husband is ill, but he is a game fighter.  And that's
> probably more than you want to hear, for now.
>
> Cobpony


I'll bet you're rich in stories.

Sandra

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>>
>> > So, some of you asked how I'm getting along, and I must
>> > say I'm in transition.  It is a strange feeling to have my life
>> style so affected overnight by a change in another person's
>> > body.
>>
>> Thinking of it as Gene having a baby, maybe?
>>
>> Karen
>
> Good.  Yes, another entity has entered the picture.

But not a negative one, like the Alien movies. It's purpose is not to
destroy, but to prolong life.

I do understand how disorienting this is for you; command of your kitchen
has been taken away from you.

As for the lack of salt...

Well.

I don't think anything substitutes. I've never been happy with Mrs. Dash
or the other salt substitutes. The only thing I can say is that a variety
of flavors takes your mind off the lack of salt. You don't have to heavily
spice things, but spices do help.

Karen

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> >> > So, some of you asked how I'm getting along, and I must
> >> > say I'm in transition.  It is a strange feeling to have my life
> >> style so affected overnight by a change in another person's
> >> > body.
> >>
> >> Thinking of it as Gene having a baby, maybe?
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> > Good.  Yes, another entity has entered the picture.
>
> But not a negative one, like the Alien movies. It's purpose is not to
> destroy, but to prolong life.
>
> I do understand how disorienting this is for you; command of your
kitchen
> has been taken away from you.
>
> As for the lack of salt...
>
> Well.
>
> I don't think anything substitutes. I've never been happy with Mrs.
Dash
> or the other salt substitutes. The only thing I can say is that a
variety
> of flavors takes your mind off the lack of salt. You don't have to
heavily
> spice things, but spices do help.
>
> Karen

Thank you for understanding.

I will continue to add salt to my food at the table,
although I have never been a heavy user of it.

                       - D. M.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> The point of the exercise - if you think about it, it won't seem
> surprising - was to see what happens under the ground as plants
> grow.

Oh.  I never realized that.  I guess I didn't think of water and ground
as being alike.

But back to The Dish.  Two pounds of shrimp with the other ingredients
adjusted accordingly, right?  Next question:  What goes well with The
Dish?  It absolutely has to be something made in advance.  I'm thinking
about a broccoli salad that I used to make quite often because it used
to be better back in the days when it was considered ok to consume raw
egg particles and I could use homemade mayonnaise in it instead of
store-bought -- but I quit making homemade mayonnaise when raw eggs
became a no-no.  (Do any of you know anybody who ever got salmonella
from eating raw eggs?  I don't.)  Anyway, I normally have three items on
a menu (plus bread) -- like something meaty, something green, and
something ricy.  But having something ricy seems inappropriate when the
The Dish contains pasta.  So just something green?  That sounds <skimpy>
for guests, but I can't think what else there should be.

--
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> Thank you for understanding.

You're welcome.

> I will continue to add salt to my food at the table,
> although I have never been a heavy user of it.

Nor I, until lately. Ligniere is the one who got me interested in
salt--and Burl. She likes salt.

I forgot the salt when I made bread once.

Karen

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Tomorrow morning I'm going to my now 14 yr old CASA boy's 8th grade
graduation (he attended all of 1/2 the year...the second half...still he
graduates...what a messed up system).

Then I pack up my car and head over to my friends' place to transfer all my
stuff to their fancy SUV. Me, them and two bouviers... We'll spend a couple
nights at Camp Hess (So. Lake Tahoe...3 bedroom townhouse) and then several
nights at some or another well placed campground (this will include vault
toilets at the least and close proximity to the Truckee River). I'm excited
to go fishing as an adult. As a kid, I never caught more than a sunfish.
But, this promises to be better and I'm hoping that we are able to eat what
we catch...if not....Raley's Supermarket ain't too far a haul.

And best of all....s'mores!  I just read a recipe where you dip the
marshmallow in brandy or such before you flame it up. I'm bringing Maker's
Mark...I'll give it a shot (ha ha) but I'm happy with the classic approach.

I like to place my marshmallow in the flame and watch it ignite. I like it
blackish around the outside and ultragooey within. We even bought toasting
forks. This is serious business.

I'm bringing my digicamera. When I get back, I'll figure out how to post the
pics. I'll go nomail in the morning.

Any trout/Tahoe fishing tips???

Sandra

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> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > The point of the exercise - if you think about it, it won't seem
> > surprising - was to see what happens under the ground as plants
> > grow.
>
> Oh.  I never realized that.  I guess I didn't think of water and ground
> as being alike.
>
> But back to The Dish.  Two pounds of shrimp with the other ingredients
> adjusted accordingly, right?  Next question:  What goes well with The
> Dish?  It absolutely has to be something made in advance.  I'm thinking
> about a broccoli salad that I used to make quite often because it used
> to be better back in the days when it was considered ok to consume raw
> egg particles and I could use homemade mayonnaise in it instead of
> store-bought -- but I quit making homemade mayonnaise when raw eggs
> became a no-no.  (Do any of you know anybody who ever got salmonella
> from eating raw eggs?  I don't.)  Anyway, I normally have three items on
> a menu (plus bread) -- like something meaty, something green, and
> something ricy.  But having something ricy seems inappropriate when the
> The Dish contains pasta.  So just something green?  That sounds <skimpy>
> for guests, but I can't think what else there should be.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Whatever happened to meat and three?

I always make more than one veggie dish. Salad type starter, meat dish,
veggie dish, some starch/carb dish, bread, dessert which is usually two
components or more (like crepes with a variety of fillers).

Sandra

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At 09:37 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>   I believe that Alex is sufficiently mature that he
> >won't do so.

Sorry about that...

cwv

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> I'm bringing my digicamera.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry, but I hate this word.

Karen

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S Hess wrote:

> Any trout/Tahoe fishing tips???

If you catch a scaly trout, don't eat him.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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sandra wrote:

> Whatever happened to meat and three?

Don't know.  To me it's always been meat and two.

> I always make more than one veggie dish. Salad type starter, meat dish,
> veggie dish, some starch/carb dish, bread, dessert which is usually two
> components or more (like crepes with a variety of fillers).

I have been known to do soup.  I'd almost forgotten that.  Maybe I
should dig out my recipe for cold dill soup.  No, that won't work, now
that I think about it.  I wouldn't be able to sit at the table during
the soup course while fooling with finishing The Dish.  To have soup,
it's necessary to have everything else made in advance (or to have
<servants>).

How do you manage to serve a starter dish while finishing the rest of
the cooking?

But back to the matter of meat and two.  (Dessert and bread aren't part
of this calculation.  They're outsiders.)  If The Dish already contains
the starch/carb, that leaves only green, the way I look at it.  So I
guess I'll do the broccoli salad.  The menu will be The Dish, broccoli
salad, and bread, followed by dessert of some kind, probably Breyers
vanilla ice cream with the option of berries of some kind on top.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > If The Dish already contains
> > the starch/carb, that leaves only green, the way I look at it.  So I
> > guess I'll do the broccoli salad.
>
> Or you could throw some broccoli or spinach in The Dish.

That does not sound appealing.  Besides, I want more dishes, not fewer
-- but only if made in advance.  I'll probably make the broccoli salad
today.  Need to head to Wmart and grocery shop soon.

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> If The Dish already contains
> the starch/carb, that leaves only green, the way I look at it.  So I
> guess I'll do the broccoli salad.

Or you could throw some broccoli or spinach in The Dish.

Karen
one-dish cookery is my specialty

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of S Hess
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:42 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Trout and Tahoe
>
>
>Tomorrow morning I'm going to my now 14 yr old CASA boy's 8th grade
>graduation (he attended all of 1/2 the year...the second
>half...still he
>graduates...what a messed up system).
>
>Then I pack up my car and head over to my friends' place to
>transfer all my
>stuff to their fancy SUV. Me, them and two bouviers... We'll
>spend a couple
>nights at Camp Hess (So. Lake Tahoe...3 bedroom townhouse) and
>then several
>nights at some or another well placed campground (this will
>include vault
>toilets at the least and close proximity to the Truckee
>River). I'm excited
>to go fishing as an adult. As a kid, I never caught more than
>a sunfish.
>But, this promises to be better and I'm hoping that we are
>able to eat what
>we catch...if not....Raley's Supermarket ain't too far a haul.
>
Have fun! My brother used to live near Truckee, CA. The area was very pretty
and lots of fun.

Check out http://www.stanford.edu/~yesavage/Truckee.html


alec

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> Have fun! My brother used to live near Truckee, CA. The area was
> very pretty
> and lots of fun.
>
> Check out http://www.stanford.edu/~yesavage/Truckee.html
>
>
> alec

Hey, this is great! I'm printing it out. Thanks, Alec.

Sandra

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Natalie Maynor:
= became a no-no.  (Do any of you know anybody who ever got salmonella
= from eating raw eggs?  I don't.)  Anyway, I normally have three items on

from the cdc:
Although most infected hens have been found in the northeastern
United States, the infection also occurs in hens in other areas
of the country. In the Northeast, approximately one in 10,000
eggs may be internally contaminated. In other parts of the United
States, contaminated eggs appear less common.

Live on the edge.  Make some mayo!

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> How do you manage to serve a starter dish while finishing the rest of
> the cooking?
>
> But back to the matter of meat and two.  (Dessert and bread aren't part
> of this calculation.  They're outsiders.)  If The Dish already contains
> the starch/carb, that leaves only green, the way I look at it.  So I
> guess I'll do the broccoli salad.  The menu will be The Dish, broccoli
> salad, and bread, followed by dessert of some kind, probably Breyers
> vanilla ice cream with the option of berries of some kind on top.
>

>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I do as much prep work in advance....then assemble.

Sandra

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steph wrote:

> Live on the edge.  Make some mayo!

Nah.  I'd be willing to take the risk, but I wouldn't be willing to put
the guests at risk.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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I guess I'm in a weird mood today.

What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?

Points for guessing what I'm listening to.

OH! Speaking of music... Have any of you heard Ruthie Foster? Absolutely
fabulous female blues. She comes to Austin a lot and I love her voice and
her song choices.

Karen

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Sandra writes,

>Hey, this is great! I'm printing it out. Thanks, Alec.

Another one: <http://www.jour.unr.edu/river/riv_bennett_fishing.html>.

River fish taste better than lake fish.

Probably you won't make it that far, but we used to fish the Truckee just
inside Nevada, a little upstream or downstream of Verdi.

We also fished and played a lot at Pyramid Lake, which has its own charms,
if you can get used to a lake without any trees around it.

Pete

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It means it is easy.

Johnny B. Goode?

I've heard Ruthie Foster is good. Me, I'm seeing Sarah Harmer, a Canadian
rocker, this weekend, and I'm looking forward to it.
> I guess I'm in a weird mood today.
>
> What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?
>
> Points for guessing what I'm listening to.
>
> OH! Speaking of music... Have any of you heard Ruthie Foster? Absolutely
> fabulous female blues. She comes to Austin a lot and I love her voice and
> her song choices.
>
> Karen

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> It means it is easy.
>
> Johnny B. Goode?

Yes, but I've moved on to my theme song by Cyndi Lauper.

> I've heard Ruthie Foster is good.

Yes, like, totally. She's going to be on Austin City Limits sometime soon.

Karen

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6/3/2003, 7:17 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> I am a secretary (no, not administrative assistant) to the Chief of Police here, and have been for 27 years and 8 months, and I feel every minute of it.  I have been very happily married for 31
LW> years; my husband is ill, but he is a game fighter.  And that's probably more than you want to hear, for now.

No such thing as too much info here.  We're family.  And like any
family, some get along better, some hate each other, some can abide
each other with difficulty, some only show up for special occasions,
some rarely show at all.  But we're family. Some of us for over 13
years.

dan out in potatoland

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6/3/2003, 7:23 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> suspend a sweet potato in a class of water on a windowsill and
NM> watch it sprout.  Did y'all do that?

Of course.

NM> My main question is why we did
NM> it.  What was the point?

So you could learn how things grow.

NM> Iirc, there was nothing particularly pretty
NM> about the sprouts.

I think sweet potato vines have very pretty leaves.  You can keep them
alive for a long time, many months, with sunlight and water, since
they've got the potato for nutrition.

NM> And I don't remember the ultimate fate of the
NM> potato.  Did we just stare at its sprouts for a while and then throw it
NM> away?

You could either throw them away when they ran out of food, or else
transplant them to start outside, much like starting any other sort of
plant.

dan


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Karen Kay:
= I guess I'm in a weird mood today.
=
= What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?
=
= Points for guessing what I'm listening to.
=
Not Anita Ward.

Possibly a tune about a place in the vicinity of New Orleans.

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6/3/2003, 10:12 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> I guess I'm in a weird mood today.

KK> What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?

KK> Points for guessing what I'm listening to.

Jonny B. Goode  (or alternative spellings, depending).

He plays it clearly and loudly.  He bangs on the strings.

Also, don't worry about taking it too literally....it is poetry...

mr. mp3


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Dan Lester wrote:

>   But we're family. Some of us for over 13
> years.
>
> dan out in potatoland

A family indeed! It's me out of potatoland!

Hi, Lynn!

Kristin

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6/3/2003, 10:47 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> It means it is easy.
>>
>> Johnny B. Goode?

KK> Yes, but I've moved on to my theme song by Cyndi Lauper.

    Girls just wanna have fun?

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Have you checked out http://www.words-l.org ?

Which reminds me: Boo, what is the entrance to Ken Miller's site for from
that of Mem's? I looked at some home pages of wordslers lately, or tried to
have a look. Yours didn't open, and as much I remember the mysterious
entrance from Michael's page has been as mysterious ever before.

Kristin

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> 6/3/2003, 10:47 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> It means it is easy.
>>>
>>> Johnny B. Goode?
>
> KK> Yes, but I've moved on to my theme song by Cyndi Lauper.
>
>     Girls just wanna have fun?

Yes, and I've wandered further into Dan Bern wondering why girls come in
pairs.

Karen

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> I am a secretary (no, not administrative assistant) to the Chief of Police here, and have been for 27 years and 8 months, and I feel every minute of it.  I have been very happily married for 31 years; my husband is ill, but he is a game fighter.  And that's probably more than you want to hear, for now.
>
> Cobpony

Lynn,

sorry to hear your husband is ill. Feel free to blow off steam
about the ups and downs - we have gone through a lot of this
ourselves. Glad to hear about the happy marriage and the
job longevity.

Be sure to answer the question about the egg shelf in your
frig soon - I am dying to hear the answer!

clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Have you checked out http://www.words-l.org ?
>
> Which reminds me: Boo, what is the entrance to Ken Miller's site for from
> that of Mem's? I looked at some home pages of wordslers lately, or tried to
> have a look. Yours didn't open, and as much I remember the mysterious
> entrance from Michael's page has been as mysterious ever before.
>
> Kristin

Yeah, what gives with that? I stumbled on that link and it was
one of the few that worked that day. Is the wordsler home page
a dead notion? 'Cause it needs some updating!
ps if it's still alive, mine is
<web.syr.edu/~clostran/>

clo

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I bought my new computer at Circuit City today: 1.8 GHz AMD
Athlon, 120 GB HD, DVD-ROM, CD-RW, 256 MB RAM,
Windows XP.  It doesn't have Word, but I'm sure I can find
a copy somewhere.

Oh, it's a Compaq.

Evelyn Duncan
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They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:19 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs
>
>
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>> Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>
>> > Have you checked out http://www.words-l.org ?
>>
>> Which reminds me: Boo, what is the entrance to Ken Miller's
>site for from
>> that of Mem's? I looked at some home pages of wordslers
>lately, or tried to
>> have a look. Yours didn't open, and as much I remember the mysterious
>> entrance from Michael's page has been as mysterious ever before.
>>
>> Kristin
>
>Yeah, what gives with that? I stumbled on that link and it was
>one of the few that worked that day. Is the wordsler home page
>a dead notion? 'Cause it needs some updating!
>ps if it's still alive, mine is
><web.syr.edu/~clostran/>
>
>clo
>

Yeah, I need a site removed.


alec

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I bought my new computer at Circuit City today:

Congrats! I believe there'll be no problem for you  how to spend any
idle moments during the next days. :-)

Kristin

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 2:51:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Congrats! I believe there'll be no problem for you  how to spend any
idle moments during the next days. :-)

>>

I'll be downloading files from the old computer; the new one will be
delivered on Thursday.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:46 PM
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>
>
>I bought my new computer at Circuit City today: 1.8 GHz AMD
>Athlon, 120 GB HD, DVD-ROM, CD-RW, 256 MB RAM,
>Windows XP.  It doesn't have Word, but I'm sure I can find
>a copy somewhere.
>
>Oh, it's a Compaq.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.
>

Great!  It will have Mickeysoft Works on it. Somebody might have an old copy
of Word around. Word 97 works with XP.



alec

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 2:51:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Congrats! I believe there'll be no problem for you  how to spend any
idle moments during the next days. :-)

>>

Thanks!

I got the one up from the one I was going to buy; spent about $150
more than I was going to, but I decided that I should get the best
one I could afford.  Now I'll have to send $100 to the credit card
every payday for a few months.

When I get all the files I want off this one, I'm going to reformate
and restore the hard drive and offer to a friend of mine who has
started a group for family-trauma survivors.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> >I bought my new computer at Circuit City today: 1.8 GHz AMD
> >Athlon, 120 GB HD, DVD-ROM, CD-RW, 256 MB RAM,
> >Windows XP.  It doesn't have Word, but I'm sure I can find
> >a copy somewhere.
> >
> >Oh, it's a Compaq.
> >
> >Evelyn Duncan
> >brandykitt@aol.com
> >They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.
> >
>
> Great!  It will have Mickeysoft Works on it. Somebody might have
> an old copy
> of Word around. Word 97 works with XP.
>
>
>
> alec

So does Word2000 from Office/Professional.

Sandra

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--On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:16 PM -0400 Carolyn Ostrander
<clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:

> Be sure to answer the question about the egg shelf in your
> frig soon - I am dying to hear the answer!
>

Lynn, we're also dying to know if you've ever seen a headless chicken
running about?

Terry

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 3:01:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
Somebody might have an old copy
of Word around. Word 97 works with XP.

>>

That will work.

I'm happy to have a larger hard drive, a faster processor, and more RAM.
To go from a 350 MHz to a 1.8 GHz will be good, and to go from a
3 GB hard drive to a 120 GB will be great.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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At 12:15 PM 6/3/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > 6/3/2003, 10:47 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> >>> It means it is easy.
> >>>
> >>> Johnny B. Goode?
> >
> > KK> Yes, but I've moved on to my theme song by Cyndi Lauper.
> >
> >     Girls just wanna have fun?
>
>Yes, and I've wandered further into Dan Bern wondering why girls come in
>pairs.

Because the aliens fucked the monkeys.

BB

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At 03:48 PM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:19 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Beagles songs
> >
> >
> >Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> >> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >>
> >> > Have you checked out http://www.words-l.org ?
> >>
> >> Which reminds me: Boo, what is the entrance to Ken Miller's
> >site for from
> >> that of Mem's? I looked at some home pages of wordslers
> >lately, or tried to
> >> have a look. Yours didn't open, and as much I remember the mysterious
> >> entrance from Michael's page has been as mysterious ever before.
> >>
> >> Kristin
> >
> >Yeah, what gives with that? I stumbled on that link and it was
> >one of the few that worked that day. Is the wordsler home page
> >a dead notion? 'Cause it needs some updating!
> >ps if it's still alive, mine is
> ><web.syr.edu/~clostran/>
> >
> >clo
> >
>
>Yeah, I need a site removed.

Me, too.

Betty

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Betty Clark" <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 12:15 PM 6/3/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > 6/3/2003, 10:47 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > >>> It means it is easy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Johnny B. Goode?
> > >
> > > KK> Yes, but I've moved on to my theme song by Cyndi Lauper.
> > >
> > >     Girls just wanna have fun?
> >
> >Yes, and I've wandered further into Dan Bern wondering why girls come in
> >pairs.
> 
> Because the aliens fucked the monkeys.
> 
> BB

They're still doing it.

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Betty Clark" <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
>> At 12:15 PM 6/3/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > > 6/3/2003, 10:47 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>> It means it is easy.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Johnny B. Goode?
>> > >
>> > > KK> Yes, but I've moved on to my theme song by Cyndi Lauper.
>> > >
>> > >     Girls just wanna have fun?
>> >
>> >Yes, and I've wandered further into Dan Bern wondering why girls come
>> in pairs.
>>
>> Because the aliens fucked the monkeys.
>>
>> BB
>
> They're still doing it.

Nope, now I'm listening to David Broza.

Karen

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It's more fun to ask the list.  How high is a two story house?  Or,
conversely, how many stories high would a 40 foot high house be?  I can't
think of any way to google that.

       --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

> It's more fun to ask the list.  How high is a two story house?  Or,
> conversely, how many stories high would a 40 foot high house be?  I can't
> think of any way to google that.
>
>        --bonniev

Old or new?
If the basement is completely below ground or missing, the
ceilings are 8 feet, and there's no attic and a flat roof, you have
about 16 ft plus materials and crawl spaces - say, 20-24 ft.

Older houses with higher ceilings (say 13 ft), a basement that
rises above the ground a couple of feet, and a full attic plus
materials probably reaches 40 feet or taller, maybe as high
as 48 or 50 feet in some instances.

clo

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> > The Dish contains pasta.  So just something green?  That sounds
> <skimpy>> for guests, but I can't think what else there should be.
>
> Whatever happened to meat and three?
>
> I always make more than one veggie dish. Salad type starter, meat
> dish,veggie dish, some starch/carb dish, bread, dessert which is
> usually two
> components or more (like crepes with a variety of fillers).

Adam served steamed broccoli. Other options might be sauteed broccoli, spinach or broccoli rabe with garlic -- could be prepared ahead and served at room temperature if that's more convenient. And a salad to start. And bread. And wine. And thou.

Marie

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Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:16 PM -0400 Carolyn Ostrander
> <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Be sure to answer the question about the egg shelf in your
> > frig soon - I am dying to hear the answer!
> >
>
> Lynn, we're also dying to know if you've ever seen a headless chicken
> running about?

Oh, sorry Tushar, I forgot.

When my 3-yr old brother was jealous of our camp skit night
riddle routine, he came up with one of his own: How high does
a cow weigh on a pig. I don't know, Dave, how high? Uh, 47!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

It's how I learned to be curious about  idiomatic use in language
development,  I believe. And asking how high is a house w/out
knowing how high the rooms are is about that easy to answer.

Is that a better answer?
clo

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Terry, No, I haven't seen a headless chicken running amok.  As a Girl Scout, I earned a badge in animal husbandry that involved raising, slaughtering and cooking seven chicks per girl.  It was a gruesome experience.

I feel the egg shelf question is a bit profound for a one-sentence reply.  Besides, I have to go home and look.

I just visited word-l, but haven't had the time to explore it.

Who is really from potato land, and about which potato land are we speaking?

Alec, I know - Ivy League, "Line Backer U".  Which would the discerning man choose?

Btw, we are the people who co-exist with a fat, shiny, tri-colored Basset-beagle named Jaysie.  Who lives with you?  I mean, as far a pets are concerned, of course.

I trying to get this off while my boss is out of the office.
Cobpony

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Fun question!  I think you are probably talking about a three story
house with quite high ceilings and probably an attic.  The only
first-hand comparison I can make (and I know that a garage is NOT a
house for those who are 'literal') is the garage we built.  It is 30
feet tall.  The garage level, obviously at ground level, has a 13 foot
ceiling.  There are two feet of structure above that and then a room
with an 8 foot ceiling.  Above that is an attic-like space that is not
quite tall enough to stand upright in.  The math looks like there should
be 7 feet of height there but the trusses are pretty beefy and consume a
good bit of space.  Does that help?

Rita L.

bonniev wrote:

> It's more fun to ask the list.  How high is a two story house?  Or,
> conversely, how many stories high would a 40 foot high house be?  I can't
> think of any way to google that.
>
>       --bonniev


--

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At 03:54 PM 6/3/2003 -0500, Lynn Weber wrote:

>Who is really from potato land, and about which potato land are we speaking?

Good question.  Dan is in Idaho (Boise).  Bonnie and I are in Maine, but
not up in the potato-growing area; we live in Bar Harbor.  We have three cats.

And for our sins, the annual meeting of (some of) the wordslers is
happening here this year.

cwv

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Alan Wild wrote:

> I've heard there's a very real concern of deflation...

You say that like it's a bad thing! I heard the official line we are
s'posed to buy is that deflation <can> be prosperous for <some>
people, just like it was after the Civil War ( when cyclical panics
destroyed financial stability for little guys), when the industrialists
made out like bandits - hey, who pinched me? wha'd I say?
so we should be thrilled with the thought that the money we
don't have will be worth more.

clo

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Bonnie writes,

>It's more fun to ask the list.  How high is a two story house?  Or,
>conversely, how many stories high would a 40 foot high house be?  I can't
>think of any way to google that.

<table 503>

Refers to the International Building Code's Table 503, which specifies
allowable heights for various kinds of buildings as regards fire safety.

Here's a spreadsheet as adapted for the NH state building code:
http://www.aianh.org/Images/503.xls

or HTML view:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:n1PxVVgJ77UJ:www.aianh.org/Images/503.xls

which shows a 40' house typically being 3 stories.

Pete

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How can I change my subscriptions so that I receive communications at the email address on the new computer in my home?  I warned you I was new at this.  This may be the first dumb question of many.  And thanks to everyone for your interest and hospitality.

Cobpony

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Natalie:
> Sylacauga?  How did you get from Philadelphia to Sylacauga?

Practice, practice, practice.

--
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The Sage of Starkville:
>It really sux that the US dollar is so low.

For you, perhaps.  You do realize that
there is more than one side to economic
transactions, don't you?

You know there are still one or two
exporters left in the USA, don't you?

>Let's hear it for Dubya and his band of thieves.

Oh, I see.  It was just a way to
launch into another one of your
screeds.  Ne'mind.

Thieves they are, but I'm saving my
sympathy for those not able to take
<newly-expensive> foreign vacations.

--
Richard, richer than fakkin Croesus

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-rashmi:
> Which part are you deucing about?

Just doing a Stewie imitation, *woman*.

> "Stewie" - Peter and Lois' infant child.

Who, IIRC, has the middle name "Gilligan".

--
I once had beers in the same bar as Alan Hale.

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steph:
> Live on the edge.  Make some mayo!

Speaking of Pennsylvania and egg
slots (weren't we?), PN's 2001
egg production exceeded 6.6 billion.

BILLION?  Can that be right?

Damn.  That state must have a major
stank on it to have enough hens to
do that.

Still, it beats paper mills.

--
Richard     well, so much for that penance thing

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Karen K. Goode:
>What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?

I've always assumed it referred to
the clear, sharp tones you get from
people who really know what they're
doing.

--
Richard     well, so much for that penance thing

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> I bought my new computer at Circuit City today: 1.8 GHz AMD
> Athlon, 120 GB HD, DVD-ROM, CD-RW, 256 MB RAM,
> Windows XP.  It doesn't have Word, but I'm sure I can find
> a copy somewhere.

Oh, congratulations, Evelyn! :D You'll love it, I'm sure.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> How can I change my subscriptions so that I receive
> communications at the email address on the new computer in my
> home?  I warned you I was new at this.  This may be the first
> dumb question of many.  And thanks to everyone for your interest
> and hospitality.

The easiest way is to unsub from your old address and resub from your new
one.

Or, you could send me your new email address, and since I'm the list owner,
I can just change it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 6:44:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Oh, congratulations, Evelyn! :D You'll love it, I'm sure.

>>

Yes!  I'll no longer have to dump email I haven't had a
chance to read.  And, there's always Spider Solitaire!
Seriously, I can load a C++ compiler I bought and study
C++.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 3:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
Terry, No, I haven't seen a headless chicken running amok.  As a Girl Scout,
I earned a badge in animal husbandry that involved raising, slaughtering and
cooking seven chicks per girl.  It was a gruesome experience.

>>

Yes.  I always feel as if I should apologize to the chickens I spear
for the rotisserie.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>  I'd go with two pounds of shrimp and a pound of dried
> uncooked pasta.

Done.  That's perzactly what I bought today.  How early is too early to
shell the shrimp?  Can I shell them tomorrow morning?  What makes me
think one shouldn't do it too far in advance is that grocery stores
don't seem to offer shelled shrimp except already cooked.  I was hoping
to find some ready to toss into The Dish without any nasty shelling
involved.  (Suddenly I'm remembering the first time I met you and
Rashmi, Adam -- while shelling shrimp at lovejudith's house just before
Clambake.  That must have been at least several hours in advance of the
eating of The Dish.  Maybe even the day before.  I can't remember now.
Was that before or after the convertible cruised into the driveway
holding Ann, Karen, and Graham?)

> For the cheese, which I'm not sure is in Judith's recipe or not, I'd still a
> lot of each - maybe 1/2 cup of each.

Uh oh.  I think I need to buy more tomorrow.  I bought a small package
of grated Parmesan.  Didn't see any grated Romano.

Meanwhile, however, I wish I had a bunch of you here to help eat the
cucumber-dill soup, of which I made enough this afternoon to feed an
army.  I decided to add it to the menu, even though I'm still not sure
how I'm going to serve soup and finish The Dish at the same time.  I
guess I'll quickly slosh it into the bowls and let the guests sit in the
dining room eating it while I'm playing with The Dish.  Anyway, when I
went to buy the ingredients -- third grocery store trip of the day --
different store each trip, I found that they had only 32-oz cartons of
yogurt.  I needed 16 ounces.  Not liking the idea of having 16 ounces of
leftover plain yogurt, I decided on a whim to double the recipe.  The
huge bowl is taking up much of my refrigerator right now.  I should've
just thrown away that extra 16 ounces of yogurt instead of having tons
of leftover soup to throw away.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Karen Kay wrote:
> What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?
>
> Points for guessing what I'm listening to.

Johnny B. Good.  But can you get extra points without answering the
original question?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> It means it is easy.

I think that part is clear, but I wasn't sure whether it meant ringing a
doorbell or ringing some other kind of bell.  Like why ringing a bell?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Dan Lester wrote:

> I think sweet potato vines have very pretty leaves.  You can keep them
> alive for a long time, many months, with sunlight and water, since
> they've got the potato for nutrition.

But yaknow -- a sweet potato will start sprouting vines without any
sunlight or water.  Like if you just forget about it and let it sit too
long wherever it's sitting.  Sometimes I'm reminded that it's time to go
on and cook that sweet potato when I see it sprouting.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> A family indeed! It's me out of potatoland!

When exactly did you join Words-L, Kristin?  I've been confused about
that.  I think of you as being a relative new-comer -- like within the
past couple of years.  Yet you remember things from way longer ago than
that.  Did you lurk for a while?  Or is my galloping alzheimers just
screwing up my sense of time?

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>dining room eating it while I'm playing with The Dish.  Anyway, when I
>went to buy the ingredients -- third grocery store trip of the day --
>different store each trip, I found that they had only 32-oz cartons of
>yogurt.  I needed 16 ounces.  Not liking the idea of having 16 ounces of
>leftover plain yogurt, I decided on a whim to double the recipe.  The
>huge bowl is taking up much of my refrigerator right now.  I should've
>just thrown away that extra 16 ounces of yogurt instead of having tons
>of leftover soup to throw away.

Nonono. Plain (preferably nonfat, for me) yoghurt is great with granola
for breakfast - or as the basis for a forzen fruit+yoghurt smoothie. I
buy 1-2 cartons every week.

Bethany

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Be sure to answer the question about the egg shelf in your
> frig soon - I am dying to hear the answer!

Don't forget the chicken-head question.  It's fun having new blood on
the list.  And, as clo can tell you, it doesn't really take all that
long to feel totally at home here -- as long as you don't go into
harangues about false advertising -- about supposedly talking about
words.  The standard answer to that question is that we all use words
quite often.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Is the wordsler home page
> a dead notion? 'Cause it needs some updating!

I think most of it is left over from the long-ago time when I was doing
the web site.  I'm pretty sure all of those listed on the current site
for personal home pages were ones I put there -- which would've been
sometime before spring '97, when the site moved.

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Congratulations!  And happy file-moving.

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'right - pro(file) moving ;-)  'Pain in the arse...

----- Original Message -----
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> Congratulations!  And happy file-moving.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Adam served steamed broccoli. Other options might be sauteed broccoli, spinach or broccoli rabe with garlic -- could be prepared ahead and served at room temperature if that's more convenient. And a salad to start. And bread. And wine. And thou.

Thanks.  It's all set now.  I made the broccoli salad today, along with
the gigantic bowl of cold soup.  And of course bread and wine will be
involved.  And I'm thinking this might be a good occasion to uncork that
champagne that has been in my refrigerator since Dec. '01.  I thought
about that today when noting on lovejudith's recipe that she said it was
good with champagne.  I'm thinking more of the champagne as before The
Dish, though -- like when the guests first arrive.  The reason I
suddenly thought about the appropriateness of the champagne (spurred by
lovejudith's comment on the recipe, of course) is that the reason for
this gathering is that two of the three people are leaving for a year in
Japan next month.  (The third person is somebody who lives part of the
year in Tokyo, part here.)  I had told them that I wanted to get
together before they left so that we can talk about Japan and I can show
them my pictures, etc.  So that's what we're doing tomorrow night.
Pulling out the champagne for a toast to Japan sounds like a good idea
-- since no Wordslers have come through on my offer a long time ago to
pull out the champagne for the first Wordsler to visit me in this house.

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> Btw, we are the people who co-exist with a fat, shiny, tri-colored Basset-beagle named Jaysie.  Who lives with you?  I mean, as far a pets are concerned, of course.

See this for one of Words-L's first listowners:

http://walt.cs.msstate.edu/~maynor/

And see this for his successor in my life:

http://www2.msstate.edu/~maynor/spencer.html

> I trying to get this off while my boss is out of the office.

Important when he might put you in jail for malfeasance!  (I bet you're
tired of jokes like that, now that I think about it.)

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> Done.  That's perzactly what I bought today.  How early is too early to
> shell the shrimp?  Can I shell them tomorrow morning?

I don't know. I usually shell them between 4 and 6 hours before cooking
them.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 5:44:58 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Thieves they are, but I'm saving my
> sympathy for those not able to take
> <newly-expensive> foreign vacations.

Thank you.:)

Karen

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> The Sage of Starkville:
> >It really sux that the US dollar is so low.
>
> For you, perhaps.  You do realize that
> there is more than one side to economic
> transactions, don't you?

Well, yes.  An economist I am not, but I do understand the export
advantages of a low dollar.  Still, however, I think that what's
happening right now is not the kind of intentional lowering of a
denomination that does sometimes occur for trade purposes.

> >Let's hear it for Dubya and his band of thieves.
>
> Oh, I see.  It was just a way to
> launch into another one of your
> screeds.  Ne'mind.
>
> Thieves they are, but I'm saving my
> sympathy for those not able to take
> <newly-expensive> foreign vacations.

So you are suggesting that I should stay home out of sympathy with those
who can't afford to travel?  Somehow I'm not sure that that accompishes
much.  Isn't it sort of like cleaning your plate because of the starving
[whoevers]?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 8:46:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Congratulations!  And happy file-moving.

>>

I think a lot of the pictures and email I've downloaded
will be abandoned (just got a flash of TRON, what happens
to abandoned files?).  I'll keep this computer for awhile so
that I can go through the old files and decide which ones
to move.

I saw a friend from Sears at Circuit City, but he was too busy
for me to talk with him.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Damn.  That state must have a major
> stank on it to have enough hens to
> do that.

I thought that Scott County, Mississippi, was a world-leader in
chickens.  Maybe not.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I don't know. I usually shell them between 4 and 6 hours before cooking
> them.

That works ok.  I can do house-cleaning first, then shrimp-shelling,
then chopping of stuff for The Dish.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 5:44:58 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> > Thieves they are, but I'm saving my
> > sympathy for those not able to take
> > <newly-expensive> foreign vacations.
>
> Thank you.:)

That, of course, is the basic point.
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Ligniere is back!

Karen

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In a message dated 06/03/2003 9:42:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Ligniere is back!

>>

How do you feel about this?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 9:46:33 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 06/03/2003 9:42:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Ligniere is back!

>>>

> How do you feel about this?

It's convenient that I'm too busy to care much one way or the other.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Ligniere is back!

Did he tell you where he'd been?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> Last Minute Deal Eliminates Tax Credits for Poor Kids
> So Millionaires Can Have Bigger Tax Cuts
>
> Urge Congress to Undo This Immoral Act
>
> If you are already a member of TrueMajority, click "Reply" and then "Send," and
> a fax (text below) will be sent to your Senators and Representative, urging
> them to ensure that low-income parents receive a $400-per-child tax refund just
> like wealthier parents. If this message was forwarded to you or if you'd like
> to edit your letter, click this link and then follow the instructions to send
> your faxes.
>
> http://www.truemajority.com/index.asp?action=10021&ms=txcrt1&ref=226228
>
> So here is the scene: A handful of Republican leaders from the House and Senate
> were holed up in a conference one weekend trying to hammer out the final
> details of the tax cut, but they've got a problem. They'd like to give more
> money to millionaires, but were bound by a pledge to cap the tax cuts at $350
> billion.
>
> Then suddenly, "Eureka! We can just amend it so that the poorest families don't
> get the new $400-per-child tax credit available to richer families. That will
> leave billions for deeper cuts in dividend and capital gains taxes." So, after
> a last-minute wording change the bill was quickly passed by both houses and
> signed by the President last week. What a disgrace. In the end, people earning
> over $1 million will bring home an average of $93,000 extra this year while a
> single mother of 2 struggling to make ends meet on $18,000/year will get no
> help.
>
> These huge tax cuts are a bad idea, but what really galls me is thinking about
> that moment when somebody in Congress offered up this latest idea to take from
> the poor to give to the rich, and a majority said "sure." These are not the
> American values I was raised with.
>
> A lot of us are making a stink, and this one could get turned around. To send
> your faxes urging your Senator and Representative to amend the Bush tax cut to
> include the children of low-income families, click "Reply" and then "Send." Or
> click on the link below.
>
> http://www.truemajority.com/index.asp?action=10021&ms=txcrt1&ref=226228
>
> Then please forward this to anyone else you think believes in basic fairness.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ben Cohen
> President, TrueMajority.org
> Co-Founder, Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream*
>
> * I am writing this email on my own and not on behalf of Ben & Jerry's, which
> is not associated with the TrueMajority campaign.
>
> Here's the letter we'll send to your Senators and Representative:
>
> Dear Senator/Representative:
>
> Our government should stand for basic fairness and justice.
> That's why I do not understand why families earning between $10,000 and $26,000
> per year would be excluded from receiving the $400-per-child tax refund that
> wealthier families will receive this summer just so millionaires can get bigger
> tax cuts.
>
> As a constituent I ask you to please amend President Bush's unfair tax cut plan
> to include these poor families and their 12 million kids. To leave the tax cut
> as it is brings too much shame upon this great nation.
>
> Sincerely,
> (We'll put your name and address here)
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> When exactly did you join Words-L, Kristin?

The year we got internet connection in the office -- which says to me only
a little more than to you: in '96 maybe? I asked some cow-orkers about the
year we got it but they do not remember either, one of them said, not
before '98. And as I've lost some once saved messages from the earlier
times of my being a meeber there's no way how I could find out.

>  Did you lurk for a while?

No. I had been lurking for maybe two days only, or even less, before, full
of amazement of having seen messages mainly on an old and new couch for a
dog (it must have been Bernard, I now can guess) in an English Lg.
Discussion Group, I sent my first message.

> Or is my galloping alzheimers just
> screwing up my sense of time?

Time just flies, I'm afraid :-) It's hard to believe it was only in '98,
though. May we consent to '97, then?

Kristin

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> > Damn.  That state must have a major
> > stank on it to have enough hens to
> > do that.
>
> I thought that Scott County, Mississippi, was a world-leader in
> chickens.  Maybe not.
>
> --

My impression is 6 billion eggs ain't all that much, just a couple of
breakfasts for everybody in the country.

clo

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> Terry, No, I haven't seen a headless chicken running amok.  As a Girl Scout, I...

> I feel the egg shelf question is a bit profound...

> I just visited word-l, but haven't had...

Adam wrote:

> Is it possible for you to include the message you're replying to in your
> replies?

And Cobpony also wrote:

> not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.

I am :) As to Adam's request about including either the message you're replying to or just part of it: it'd be convenient not only for those who read your reply but also for yourself. When you look at the quotations
from your message at the beginning of this very message you see that you had once more to take down the points/issues you were going to answer. One thing I like about e-mail is that I hardly ever need to do that. I just
click "reply", and get a window with the other person's message in it from where I then choose which parts to delete an which I'd like to answer, and then write my answers right after the other person's text.

Now if my explanation turned out a bit clumsy -- for English is not my mothertongue -- maybe somebody can help to rewrite it.

Kristin

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Ligniere is back!
>
> Karen
>

Karen,
I am glad.
clo

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> Who is really from potato land, and about which potato land are we speaking?

Well, I next to never call our land like that, it was only because Dan's signing his message rang a bell in me.

>>> dan out in potatoland

>> It's me out of potatoland!,

I said. It is sometimes used ironically, or maybe out of some fear, here in Estonia, that if we are not smart enough we might become nothing but a potato land. Aamf, the fear has its roots in earlier years, in '80s and
earlier: that we might have been turned to such a region only.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> No. I had been lurking for maybe two days only, or even less, before, full
> of amazement of having seen messages mainly on an old and new couch for a
> dog (it must have been Bernard, I now can guess) in an English Lg.

Hmm.  That sounds more like Spencer, which would have been '99.  It was
Spencer who ate the old ugly couch, leading me to get a new ugly couch.
Bernard died in June '98 and hadn't lived in Starkville for over a year
before that.  He moved to Huntsville Easter weekend of '97, where he
stayed while I was in Japan from April '97 until May '98.  He was
sixteen when I returned from Japan and was pretty feeble, both
physically and mentally, though apparently not in pain thanks to good
arthritis medication.  My mother and I weren't sure whether it would be
good for him to move again at that stage.  We decided to wait until
after I finished summer school that June and then I'd bring him back to
Starkville, with more time to devote to him than I would have while
teaching and with the time to take him back to Huntsville if he seemed
to be having a hard time adjusting.  But he died in mid June.  I
remained dogless for over a year.  Spencer then entered my life in late
July '99.  And ate the couch, cushion by cushion.

> Time just flies, I'm afraid :-) It's hard to believe it was only in '98,
> though. May we consent to '97, then?

I wouldn't have been involved in dog/couch discussions in '97.  Maybe it
was other dogs and couches.  I probably mentioned an ugly couch that
year -- the one in my apartment in Japan was ugly and uncomfortable
leather.  But no dogs were involved.

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Kristin:

Thank you for the help.  Since I received the email about including the message with the reply, I though I had changed my settings to rectify that situation.  That goes to show what I know about computers.  Even though I learn a bit every day, it seems to me there is so much left with which to wrestle.

Can you bear another canine classic?  "Yankee Dandie Dinmont".

Cobpony

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > I thought that Scott County, Mississippi, was a world-leader in
> > chickens.  Maybe not.
> >
> > --
>
> My impression is 6 billion eggs ain't all that much, just a couple of
> breakfasts for everybody in the country.

I will perhaps do research on chicken production in Forest, MS, but now
I must GWTP and get a bunch of chores done.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > No. I had been lurking for maybe two days only, or even less, before, full
> > of amazement of having seen messages mainly on an old and new couch for a
> > dog (it must have been Bernard, I now can guess) in an English Lg.
>
> Hmm.  That sounds more like Spencer, which would have been '99.  It was
> Spencer who ate the old ugly couch, leading me to get a new ugly couch.
> Bernard died in June '98 and hadn't lived in Starkville for over a year
> before that.  He moved to Huntsville Easter weekend of '97,

Bernard was fully alive when I came to the list. But maybe for not long any
more.

Kristin

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Ligniere is back!
>
> Did he tell you where he'd been?

He didn't go away, just away from me. And now he came back to me. I don't
know why either one.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv:
=
= And Cobpony also wrote:
=
= > not only new to the list, but new to computers, so please be kind.
=
= I am :) As to Adam's request about including either the message you're replying to or just part of it: it'd be convenient not only for those who read your reply but also for yourself. When you look at the quotations
= from your message at the beginning of this very message you see that you had once more to take down the points/issues you were going to answer. One thing I like about e-mail is that I hardly ever need to do that. I just
= click "reply", and get a window with the other person's message in it from where I then choose which parts to delete an which I'd like to answer, and then write my answers right after the other person's text.
=
= Now if my explanation turned out a bit clumsy -- for English is not my mothertongue -- maybe somebody can help to rewrite it.
=
= Kristin

Kristin is kind, but I am not.  Lynn, please click the reply
button when replying to the list, edit the garbage, but leave
enough context so we know what you're talking about.

If this doesn't make sense, please say so and we'll help you look
like an email pro within no time at all!

steph

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Bernard was fully alive when I came to the list. But maybe for not long any
> more.

Hmm.  Maybe we were talking about dogs and ugly couches because of
pictures of Bernard on the ugly couch.  He was never a chewer except of
his own toys and of paper napkins, but the couch-ugliness could have
been the topic, not the destruction of the ugly couch (except that no
new ugly couch entered the picture until after Spencer ate the old one).

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Karen Kay:
= > Karen Kay wrote:
= >>
= >> Ligniere is back!
= >
= > Did he tell you where he'd been?
=
= He didn't go away, just away from me. And now he came back to me. I don't
= know why either one.
=
= Karen

well, aren't you going to grill him on it? or are you just glad
to have him back (I know the answer to that one :-)

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of human powered vehicle
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:53 PM
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>
>
>steph:
>> Live on the edge.  Make some mayo!
>
>Speaking of Pennsylvania and egg
>slots (weren't we?), PN's 2001
>egg production exceeded 6.6 billion.
>
>BILLION?  Can that be right?
>
>Damn.  That state must have a major
>stank on it to have enough hens to
>do that.
>
>Still, it beats paper mills.
>
>--
>Richard     well, so much for that penance thing
>

Damn chickens everywhere!!

alec

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> Karen Kay:
> = > Karen Kay wrote:
> = >>
> = >> Ligniere is back!
> = >
> = > Did he tell you where he'd been?
> =
> = He didn't go away, just away from me. And now he came back to me. I
> don't = know why either one.
> =
> = Karen
>
> well, aren't you going to grill him on it?

When I get a chance.

> or are you just glad
> to have him back (I know the answer to that one :-)

Well, I *am* glad. But not so glad I can ignore the disappearing act.

Karen

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PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
sometimes seems on the list.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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steph wrote:

> Kristin is kind, but I am not.  Lynn, please click the reply
> button when replying to the list,

Has Lynn mentioned what mail program she's using?  I didn't notice that,
but your "click the reply button" suggests that you do know since not
all mail programs involve clicking or reply buttons.  (I realize that
one can tell from headers in many cases what the mail program is.  I
just haven't noticed.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:42 PM
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>
>
>Ligniere is back!
>
>Karen
>

I'll pray for you.


alec

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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:42 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: For those who care...
>>
>>
>>Ligniere is back!
>>
>>Karen
>>
>
> I'll pray for you.

What does this mean?!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Hmm.  That sounds more like Spencer, which would have been '99.

> I'd bring him back to
> Starkville, with more time to devote to him than I would have while
> teaching and with the time to take him back to Huntsville if he seemed
> to be having a hard time adjusting.  But he died in mid June.  I
> remained dogless for over a year.  Spencer then entered my life in late
> July '99.  And ate the couch, cushion by cushion.

Memory is a strange thing. I remember writings about your moving, I remember
writings about your already having been in Japan, I seem to remember having read
about Bernard's death, and answering your message about it. I remember you
meeting Spencer and bringing him home. And I remember both Huntsville and
Starkville as your abodes. But I was nomail for long periods, too, and may mix
up things.

>I wouldn't have been involved in dog/couch discussions in '97.  Maybe it
>was other dogs and couches.

Maybe.

I still keep searching for saved messages on Wordslers' ancestors! As if they
might be somewhere as a hidden file.  I remember having been much interested in
it, but didn't find time to read them all. I even printed out many of them. Have
I still got those perhaps already dusty sheets somewhere in a box? Were they got
lost when I moved?

Kristin

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In a message dated 06/04/2003 9:06:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
He didn't go away, just away from me. And now he came back to me. I don't
know why either one.

>>

It's rough; I know.

I swear if Kathie comes back, I'm torn between hitting her and hugging
her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> sometimes seems on the list.

Oh my ASS!

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I'll bear that in mind.  I'm rather thick-skinned anyway.

Cobpony

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I just got e-mail from Ginny Blaney saying that she's going to ask the
ferry drivers if they could drop somebody off on Ironbound.  That would
be fun.  They're not going to be in BH on the 4th -- she said they avoid
the mainland on the 4th because it's so crowded.  They stay on the
island during such times.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Damn chickens everywhere!!

    Interesting article in today's WSJ about how the shortage of trained
human chicken-catchers has spurred the development of a mechanical
chicken harvester.

Foghorn

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> Thank you for the help.

You're welcome. But still, tell the others what mail program do you use, and then, as Steph said:

> >we'll help you look
> >like an email pro within no time at all!

I know little about computers as compared to many Wordslers and can hardly give more advice but learning new things about the program used is fun, especially if it makes things more convenient.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > = > Karen Kay wrote:
> > = >>
> > = >> Ligniere is back!
> > = >
> > = > Did he tell you where he'd been?
> > =
> > = He didn't go away, just away from me. And now he came back to me. I
> > don't = know why either one.
> > =
> > = Karen
> >
> > well, aren't you going to grill him on it?
>
> When I get a chance.
>
> > or are you just glad
> > to have him back (I know the answer to that one :-)
>
> Well, I *am* glad. But not so glad I can ignore the disappearing act.

Hmm... I'm glad you're glad. And well, who would say life should be
uncomplicated. I hope everything will be ok, complicated or not.

Kristin

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
= > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
= > sometimes seems on the list.
=
= Oh my ASS!

Is so pretty.

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Lynn Weber:
= I'll bear that in mind.  I'm rather thick-skinned anyway.
=
= Cobpony

Just what exactly is it you were going to bear in mind?

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6/3/2003, 2:54 PM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> Who is really from potato land, and about which potato land are we speaking?

My God, what ignorance and/or insensitivity.  There is only ONE
potatoland.  The ONE place that produces all of the world's best
potatoes: IDAHO.

Know any other state that has taters on the license plates?

And it is me, Dan Lester, who happens to be around at present, for a
while.  And for those who don't know, I'm finally going to join the
crowd known as "everybody".

Who is in that crowd?  People who've been to Europe.

Brief history lesson: there are those on this list, who shall remain
nameless, who firmly believe that EVERYONE has been to Europe.

dan

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6/3/2003, 6:35 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

ED> Yes.  I always feel as if I should apologize to the chickens I spear
ED> for the rotisserie.

Aren't they already dead?  Or do you go for the VERY fresh chickens?

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I am clicking the Reply Button.  Otherwise, I couldn't Reply without typing in all of that email stuff.  Should I be clicking to Reply To, or the Reply to All Button?

Cobpony

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6/3/2003, 7:31 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I think sweet potato vines have very pretty leaves.  You can keep them
>> alive for a long time, many months, with sunlight and water, since
>> they've got the potato for nutrition.

NM> But yaknow -- a sweet potato will start sprouting vines without any
NM> sunlight or water.  Like if you just forget about it and let it sit too
NM> long wherever it's sitting.  Sometimes I'm reminded that it's time to go
NM> on and cook that sweet potato when I see it sprouting.

     Yes, it will, but without sunlight and added water it won't grow
     into a beautiful vine that is fifteen feet long, and gracing your
     kitchen with its beauty.


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Snore.

The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
anyway.  I know this because I did my stepsons taxes for the last
several years.  His income is in the 15000 range.  Two kids.  This
means he qualifies for (damn, forgot the name of it, but the thing
that gives them all sorts of extra credit).  Anyway, his refund was
larger than the total he'd paid all year in withholding.

NOTE: I'm not suggesting this form of welfare is wrong. But the point
is that these folks are already getting more back than they put in, so
they're already getting more federal aid that way, plus the other
federal and state aid they already get.  Those who blocked the extra
400 per kid figured enough was enough.

dan

6/4/2003, 5:38 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Urge Congress to Undo This Immoral Act
>>
>> If you are already a member of TrueMajority, click "Reply" and then "Send," and
>> a fax (text below) will be sent to your Senators and Representative, urging
>> them to ensure that low-income parents receive a $400-per-child tax refund just
>> like wealthier parents. If this message was forwarded to you or if you'd like
>> to edit your letter, click this link and then follow the instructions to send
>> your faxes.



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Natalie Maynor:
=
= Has Lynn mentioned what mail program she's using?  I didn't notice that,
= but your "click the reply button" suggests that you do know since not
= all mail programs involve clicking or reply buttons.  (I realize that
= one can tell from headers in many cases what the mail program is.  I
= just haven't noticed.)
=

Actually, I didn't see an X-Mailer, but I did see a bunch of
Microsoft cruft, which implies "click".

Now, onto some words stuff.  How did cruft get into my
vocabulary?  I may be a techy, but I don't read techy much, and
those around me don't generally speak techno-american.  And yet,
there it is.

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6/3/2003, 7:25 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Uh oh.  I think I need to buy more tomorrow.  I bought a small package
NM> of grated Parmesan.  Didn't see any grated Romano.

No graters at your house?

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>From this emanation point, I am using Microsoft, I guess.

Cobpony

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Dan Lester:
= Who is in that crowd?  People who've been to Europe.
=

When, where?

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Evelyn:
>I can load a C++ compiler I bought and study C++.

Which one?

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Does "Your bark is worse than your bite", sound too timid and fawning?  I just consider that if you knew more descriptive words, you would probably use them.  It is, after all, entirely up to you how you express yourself, and it's a free country (sometimes).

Cobpony

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Lynn Weber:
= >From this emanation point, I am using Microsoft, I guess.
=
= Cobpony

by the way: we are having a context problem.  you're not having
an email problem.  You're having a configuration problem,
perhaps.

What mail program are you using, Outlook, Outlook express?  What
does it say in the grey bar at the top of the window?

when you hit reply, are you deleting any text anywhere?

Can you select from a drop down menu first Tools, then Options
then Email options?

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JMW:
>shortage of trained human chicken-catchers

Where would a person go to
get this training?

I guess the obvious answer
is a chicken farm.  Or are
there schools?

--
Richard      definitely not a good thing

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Dan Dan the Potato Man:
>(damn, forgot the name of it, but the thing
>that gives them all sorts of extra credit).

Earned Income Credit?

--
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:18 AM
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>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:42 PM
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>>>
>>>
>>>Ligniere is back!
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>
>>
>> I'll pray for you.
>
>What does this mean?!
>
>Karen
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Alec being sarcastic. I don't know the situtaion, but if you are happy he is
back, then I am happy.



alec

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, steph wrote:

> Just what exactly is it you were going to bear in mind?

She should bear in mind that Natalie thinks you're a nice person, and that
Natalie thinks you've been posting tough.

I advise her to bear in mind that Natalie does not speak for the list.

Ann

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There surely some of those nameless few who believe everybody wants to go to Europe.

Cobpony

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6/4/2003, 9:09 AM, steph wrote:

s> Dan Lester:
s> = Who is in that crowd?  People who've been to Europe.
s> =

s> When, where?

A colleague and I have been invited to speak at IFLA (Intl. Federation
of Library Assns) in Berlin in early August.  We felt complimented, of
course, but figured it would never happen.  Well, we told the boss
about it, he was very pleased and impressed, and talked to the
Provost, and they somehow came up with enough money to do it.  We're
getting part of the cost covered, enough that we can float the
rest of it.  So we leave for Berlin on the first of August (Dan and
Gail, Peggy and Kelly).  In Berlin all week, and then we go separate
ways.  Peggy and her guy Kelly are going to Switzerland for a few
days, including some big ass horse show about a mile from the French
border.

On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure). On
the night we board the Golden Princess to go to Monaco, Florence,
Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul, ending in Venice.  We stay there
two more days and then fly home on the 23rd.  Cruise is 12 days, and
is pretty gogo with doing the once-over-lightly in the various ports.
But hey, for European virgins.....

dan, listening to Courtesy of the Red White and Blue, followed by Beer for
My Horses, to be followed by Copperhead Road and then Texas Eagle and
then Devil's Right Hand.....etc.....(with over 13K of MP3s on here,
I've got LOTS of choices)

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6/4/2003, 9:16 AM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> Dan Dan the Potato Man:
>>(damn, forgot the name of it, but the thing
>>that gives them all sorts of extra credit).

hpv> Earned Income Credit?

Yup, that's it.  Thanks.

dan

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Is Daniel Schorr trumpeting some politically biased liberal rant?

Scan down a little more than half way to _Daniel Schorr  News Analysis: Tax
Cuts_.

http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=10&prgDate=current

'Answers the question: How does a journalist become a "legend", at least in
his peer's eyes? ... 'Easy: they simply tow the liberal rag as long as they
can.

:-\




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> Snore.
>
> The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
> anyway.  I know this because I did my stepsons taxes for the last
> several years.  His income is in the 15000 range.  Two kids.  This
> means he qualifies for (damn, forgot the name of it, but the thing
> that gives them all sorts of extra credit).  Anyway, his refund was
> larger than the total he'd paid all year in withholding.
>
> NOTE: I'm not suggesting this form of welfare is wrong. But the point
> is that these folks are already getting more back than they put in, so
> they're already getting more federal aid that way, plus the other
> federal and state aid they already get.  Those who blocked the extra
> 400 per kid figured enough was enough.
>
> dan

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

>JMW:
>>shortage of trained human chicken-catchers
>
>Where would a person go to >get this training?

The reason for automation is more the difficulty in keeping trained
humans on the job - they are attacked by the fleeing chickens - and also
the fact that they are very slow.

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:23 AM
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>Subject: Re: Beagles songs
>
>
>6/4/2003, 9:09 AM, steph wrote:
>
>s> Dan Lester:
>s> = Who is in that crowd?  People who've been to Europe.
>s> =
>
>s> When, where?
>
>A colleague and I have been invited to speak at IFLA (Intl. Federation
>of Library Assns) in Berlin in early August.  We felt complimented, of
>course, but figured it would never happen.  Well, we told the boss
>about it, he was very pleased and impressed, and talked to the
>Provost, and they somehow came up with enough money to do it.  We're
>getting part of the cost covered, enough that we can float the
>rest of it.  So we leave for Berlin on the first of August (Dan and
>Gail, Peggy and Kelly).  In Berlin all week, and then we go separate
>ways.  Peggy and her guy Kelly are going to Switzerland for a few
>days, including some big ass horse show about a mile from the French
>border.
>
>On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure). On
>the night we board the Golden Princess to go to Monaco, Florence,
>Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul, ending in Venice.  We stay there
>two more days and then fly home on the 23rd.  Cruise is 12 days, and
>is pretty gogo with doing the once-over-lightly in the various ports.
>But hey, for European virgins.....
>

That sounds wonderful. Go get a passport.


alec

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I suppose they become inactive after a certain time.  And I suppose the
time is short.  Does anybody know offhand?

Ann

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> In a message dated 06/04/2003 9:06:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
> karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> He didn't go away, just away from me. And now he came back to me. I
> don't know why either one.
>
>>>
>
> It's rough; I know.
>
> I swear if Kathie comes back, I'm torn between hitting her and hugging
> her.

My feelings are far more 'wait and see' than either of those.

Karen

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Bethany:
> The reason for automation is more the difficulty in keeping trained
> humans on the job - they are attacked by the fleeing chickens - and also
> the fact that they are very slow.

So your advice is to seek my
fortune someplace else than
chicken-chasing?

--
Richard      definitely not a good thing

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> Now, onto some words stuff.  How did cruft get into my
> vocabulary?  I may be a techy, but I don't read techy much, and
> those around me don't generally speak techno-american.  And yet,
> there it is.

Pete uses it--he used it recently.

Karen

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Ann:
> I suppose they become inactive after a certain time.  And I suppose the
> time is short.  Does anybody know offhand?

"...we will create a tiny URL that
will not break in email postings
and never expires."

   http://tinurl.com

--
Richard      definitely not a good thing

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Karen:
>>I may be a techy, but I don't read techy much, and
>>those around me don't generally speak techno-american.  And yet,
>>there it is.
> Pete uses it--he used it recently.

Yabbut Pete is a techy, probably reads
techy much and probably hangs out with
techno-american speakers.  There's no
mystery as to why it's in his vocabulary.

I think Steph just likes the sound of it.

--
Richard      definitely not a good thing

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In a message dated 06/04/2003 10:12:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:

<<
Evelyn:
>I can load a C++ compiler I bought and study C++.

Which one?

>>

Borland Turbo C++ for Windows.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> Karen:
>>>I may be a techy, but I don't read techy much, and
>>>those around me don't generally speak techno-american.  And yet, there
>>> it is.
>> Pete uses it--he used it recently.
>
> Yabbut Pete is a techy, probably reads
> techy much and probably hangs out with
> techno-american speakers.  There's no
> mystery as to why it's in his vocabulary.

Well, no. But the fact that it's in his vocabulary goes at least part of
the way toward explaining why it's in her vocabulary.

> I think Steph just likes the sound of it.

Of course.

K

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I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools - Options - Email Options, and changed the option for including original text in reply.  Is this better?

Cobpony

-----Original Message-----
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Lynn Weber:
= >From this emanation point, I am using Microsoft, I guess.
=
= Cobpony

by the way: we are having a context problem.  you're not having
an email problem.  You're having a configuration problem,
perhaps.

What mail program are you using, Outlook, Outlook express?  What
does it say in the grey bar at the top of the window?

when you hit reply, are you deleting any text anywhere?

Can you select from a drop down menu first Tools, then Options
then Email options?

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In a message dated 06/04/2003 9:52:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

<<
Aren't they already dead?  Or do you go for the VERY fresh chickens?

>>

Yes, they're already dead; still bloody, though, but not as bloody
as the Boar's Head roast beef.  I swear that stuff is so rare it might
say "moo."

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynn Weber
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs + Email problems
>
>
>I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools -
>Options - Email Options, and changed the option for including
>original text in reply.  Is this better?
>
>Cobpony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: steph [mailto:stevie@MULTINIX.COM]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:14 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs + Email problems
>
>Lynn Weber:
>= >From this emanation point, I am using Microsoft, I guess.
>=
>= Cobpony
>
>by the way: we are having a context problem.  you're not having
>an email problem.  You're having a configuration problem,
>perhaps.
>
>What mail program are you using, Outlook, Outlook express?  What
>does it say in the grey bar at the top of the window?
>
>when you hit reply, are you deleting any text anywhere?
>
>Can you select from a drop down menu first Tools, then Options
>then Email options?
>

Much better, some people like bottom posting rather then top posting.

alec

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Evelyn DunC++an:
> Borland Turbo C++ for Windows.

That's the one I had when first
learning OOP.  I liked it.  But
that was waybackwhen.

I am now stuck with VC++ and its
hilarious bugs.

--
Richard      definitely not a good thing

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6/4/2003, 9:31 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> That sounds wonderful. Go get a passport.

  Ya think?  Actually, have had passport for long time, and just got
  it renewed for this trip.  Last used passport for Mexico a month
  ago. Just never been to Europe.....yet.

--

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6/4/2003, 9:40 AM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> So your advice is to seek my
hpv> fortune someplace else than
hpv> chicken-chasing?

Are you saying your not competent at choking the chicken?


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6/4/2003, 9:50 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools - Options - Email Options, and
LW> changed the option for including original text in reply.  Is this better?

Yes and no.  Replying above the whole message is lame.

LW> Cobpony

You want to do interlinear responses, like this.  Since I don't use
Outlook, and know you don't have a choice, I don't know how to tell
you to fix it.  But someone will know.

dan in the real potatoland

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I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom posting, but maybe someone out there can put me right in that matter as well as interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.

Cobpony

-----Original Message-----
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6/4/2003, 9:50 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools - Options - Email Options, and
LW> changed the option for including original text in reply.  Is this better?

Yes and no.  Replying above the whole message is lame.

LW> Cobpony

You want to do interlinear responses, like this.  Since I don't use
Outlook, and know you don't have a choice, I don't know how to tell
you to fix it.  But someone will know.

dan in the real potatoland

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>hpv> So your advice is to seek my
>hpv> fortune someplace else than
>hpv> chicken-chasing?
>
>Are you saying your not competent at choking the chicken?

First he has to catch it!

Bethany

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>I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom posting, but
maybe someone out there can put me right in that matter as well as
interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.

You can't cut and paste? Or insert?

Bethany

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> On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure).

On July 7th I'll be leaving Barcelona -- back to Philly via Frankfurt (go figure). Just missing you.

Marie

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> I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom
> posting, but maybe someone out there can put me right in that
> matter as well as interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.

It might default to the top, but you can still post at the bottom. That being said, top posting doesn't bother me. Not quoting any part of the message you are responding to does, but...

So, where in Philly are you from anyway?

Marie
   Lower Bucks County girl (originally)

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Where would a person go to
> get this training?

    Ottowa University would be my guess.  Or the mail-order place that
Sally Strothers used to shill for.
Hey, if you've got the mother wit to not run a $500 video through a 3M
sensitizer I'll give you a job here...

JMW

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Pulling out the champagne for a toast to Japan sounds like a good idea
> -- since no Wordslers have come through on my offer a long time ago to
> pull out the champagne for the first Wordsler to visit me in this house.

<sigh>

It's a shame. Aren't there any wordslers who could arrive at Natalie's place in those few hours left?

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs + Email problems
>
>
>> I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom
>> posting, but maybe someone out there can put me right in that
>> matter as well as interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.
>
>It might default to the top, but you can still post at the
>bottom. That being said, top posting doesn't bother me. Not
>quoting any part of the message you are responding to does, but...
>
>So, where in Philly are you from anyway?
>
>Marie
>   Lower Bucks County girl (originally)
>

That is not Philly. West Philly born and bred. Moved to the suburbs for
safety, later.


alec

West Philly
Wayne
Berwyn
West Chester

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> > For the cheese, which I'm not sure is in Judith's recipe or not,
> I'd still a
> > lot of each - maybe 1/2 cup of each.
>
> Uh oh.  I think I need to buy more tomorrow.  I bought a small package
> of grated Parmesan.  Didn't see any grated Romano.

I think a cup of cheese on a pound of pasta would be too much for many people.

Marie

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> >So, where in Philly are you from anyway?
> >
> >Marie
> >   Lower Bucks County girl (originally)
> >
>
> That is not Philly. West Philly born and bred. Moved to the
> suburbs for
> safety, later.

Shut up loser. I moved to Center City later for the pure danger of it.

Marie

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:58 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>> >So, where in Philly are you from anyway?
>> >
>> >Marie
>> >   Lower Bucks County girl (originally)
>> >
>>
>> That is not Philly. West Philly born and bred. Moved to the
>> suburbs for
>> safety, later.
>
>Shut up loser. I moved to Center City later for the pure danger of it.
>
>Marie
>

New Yorker.


alec

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>Martha indicted.

>Grand jury returns nine-count indictment; Stewart charged along with former
broker.

Ouch!


alec

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> I am clicking the Reply Button.  Otherwise, I couldn't Reply without typing in all of that email stuff.

Doesn't that give you a window for the composition of you message *together with* all the text of that message you're going to reply? It is up to you *not* to delete that
text. Otherwise it is hard for us to understand what exactly you reply to. The heading of the thread wouldn't help us much.

> Should I be clicking to Reply To, or the Reply to All Button?

Both do. At least in Netscape there's no difference when writing to the list.

Good luck learning new skills!

Kristin

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At 03:48 PM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Yeah, I need a site removed.
>
>
>alec

Ditto to that. I don't have a personal webpage anymore. Maintaining myu
company one is enough. Although, depending on what happened at today's
board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.

lisa

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----- Original Message -----
From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> Karen K. Goode:
> >What does it mean to 'play a guitar just like ringing a bell'?
>
> I've always assumed it referred to
> the clear, sharp tones you get from
> people who really know what they're
> doing.

I've always thought it means that it came very easily to him.

Oh, Karen, btw, I thought of you today re the ambiguous sentence thread, and because it was a Lyle Lovett song:  "I don't love you any less, but I can't love you anymore."

Marie

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools - Options - Email Options, and changed the option for including original text in reply.  Is this better?

Much better!

Kristin

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/4/2003, 9:50 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> LW> I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools - Options - Email Options, and
> LW> changed the option for including original text in reply.  Is this better?
>
> Yes and no.  Replying above the whole message is lame.
>
> LW> Cobpony
>
> You want to do interlinear responses, like this.

She'll learn both.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I will perhaps do research on chicken production in Forest, MS, but now
> I must GWTP and get a bunch of chores done.

This is a rare GWIP do chores day for me - I am at home, and my 3- month
old niece Kate has just consented to fall asleep in my arms.... I am
babysitting her brother and sister as well. I started a load of laundry,
cleaned the fridge, and began to make meatballs, salad, apple pie, and
banana bread before they came - that is, made preliminary preparations so
that they can help mix and stir while their sister sleeps.

That's is I can stand to put her down... it's been way too long since
these arms held a baby.

clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

> And it is me, Dan Lester, who happens to be around at present, for a
> while.  And for those who don't know, I'm finally going to join the
> crowd known as "everybody".
>
> Who is in that crowd?  People who've been to Europe.
>
> Brief history lesson: there are those on this list, who shall remain
> nameless, who firmly believe that EVERYONE has been to Europe.
>

So why are you going? Will it be fun, or do you <have> to?
clo

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom posting, but
> >maybe someone out there can put me right in that matter as well as
> >interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.
>
> You can't cut and paste? Or insert?

Isn't it easier at first to just roll down -- or how it should be said if one
wants to go at the end of the quoted message -- and start writing then?

I cut an paste only if I want to use quotations from several persons in one
message.

And for interlinear posting I just click "Enter" in an appropriate place of
the quote.

Kristin

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> sometimes seems on the list.
>
> --

and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
clo

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> Isn't it easier at first to just roll down -- or how it should be said
> if one wants to go at the end of the quoted message -- and start writing
> then?

Scroll down.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Isn't it easier at first to just roll down -- or how it should be said
> > if one wants to go at the end of the quoted message -- and start writing
> > then?
>
> Scroll down.

Oh!

Kristin

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> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as
>> she sometimes seems on the list.
>>
>> --
>
> and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!

And ME!!!!

Chopped Liver

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>> You can't cut and paste? Or insert?
>
>Isn't it easier at first to just roll down -- or how it should be said if one
>wants to go at the end of the quoted message -- and start writing then?

Easier for you - yes.

Bethany

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
>
> > Just what exactly is it you were going to bear in mind?
>
> She should bear in mind that Natalie thinks you're a nice person, and that
> Natalie thinks you've been posting tough.
>
> I advise her to bear in mind that Natalie does not speak for the list.
>

I believe the question is, "what are you going to bear in mind, given that
you again deleted all the text you were responding to?

clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:08 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs
>
>
>At 03:48 PM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Yeah, I need a site removed.
>>
>>
>>alec
>
>Ditto to that. I don't have a personal webpage anymore. Maintaining myu
>company one is enough. Although, depending on what happened at today's
>board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.
>
>lisa
>

Company is thinking about closing or getting rid of their web site?


alec

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

> Ann:
> > I suppose they become inactive after a certain time.  And I suppose the
> > time is short.  Does anybody know offhand?
>
> "...we will create a tiny URL that
> will not break in email postings
> and never expires."
>
>    http://tinurl.com
>
> --

reminds me of the lifetime guarantee on the first polyester-lined winter
jackets - everything good till it turned out it broke down in 10 yrs.
Anybody think tinyurl.com will still be around in 10 years?

clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:

> I am using Microsoft Outlook.  And yes, I went to Tools - Options -
>Email Options, and changed the option for including original text in
>reply.  Is this better?
>
> Cobpony
>

weehoo! you win the prize!
clo

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The nasty job is over.  I sure would hate to work in a restaurant as a
shrimp-peeler.  But speaking of nastiness, do you remember, Rashmi,
those slimy green things that I eeked about when we were shelling shrimp
at lovejudith's house?  I didn't see anything like that in these
shrimp.  Are RI shrimp different from MS shrimp?  Do RI shrimp eat
seaweed that turns into green threads?  I'll cc lovejudith on this for
her opinion.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Although, depending on what happened at today's
> board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.
>
> lisa

Ouch. for real?
clo

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6/4/2003, 10:09 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>Are you saying your not competent at choking the chicken?

BKD> First he has to catch it!

  Or find it.

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6/4/2003, 10:25 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure).

MA> On July 7th I'll be leaving Barcelona -- back to Philly via Frankfurt (go figure). Just
MA> missing you.

    Actually a month off.....we don't leave for <the place all others
    have been> until Aug 1, arriving barcelona 8/8

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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:08 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Beagles songs
>>
>>
>>At 03:48 PM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah, I need a site removed.
>>>
>>>
>>>alec
>>
>>Ditto to that. I don't have a personal webpage anymore. Maintaining myu
>> company one is enough. Although, depending on what happened at today's
>> board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.
>>
>>lisa
>>
>
> Company is thinking about closing or getting rid of their web site?

Sounds like they are thinking of getting rid of Lisa.

K

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:48 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Yay (and att: Rashmi)
>
>
>The nasty job is over.  I sure would hate to work in a restaurant as a
>shrimp-peeler.  But speaking of nastiness, do you remember, Rashmi,
>those slimy green things that I eeked about when we were
>shelling shrimp
>at lovejudith's house?  I didn't see anything like that in these
>shrimp.  Are RI shrimp different from MS shrimp?  Do RI shrimp eat
>seaweed that turns into green threads?  I'll cc lovejudith on this for
>her opinion.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Are you talk about the shit tube on the back of the shrimp?

http://www.davidscooking.com/tipsandtech/prepshrimp/prepshrimp.html



alec

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I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name) and spent the first four years on Walnut Lane in Germantown.  Then we moved to Plymouth Township.  I went to Plymouth Whitemarsh H.S.  Have you heard of it?  Left PA at the age of 18, and have lived in AL ever since.  That's long story for another time.

Cobpony

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> I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom
> posting, but maybe someone out there can put me right in that
> matter as well as interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.

It might default to the top, but you can still post at the bottom. That being said, top posting doesn't bother me. Not quoting any part of the message you are responding to does, but...

So, where in Philly are you from anyway?

Marie
   Lower Bucks County girl (originally)

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Pulling out the champagne for a toast to Japan sounds like a good idea
> > -- since no Wordslers have come through on my offer a long time ago to
> > pull out the champagne for the first Wordsler to visit me in this house.
>
> <sigh>
>
> It's a shame. Aren't there any wordslers who could arrive at Natalie's place in those few hours left?
>
> Kristin
>

No, but had she offered earlier, I could have planned a side trip to see
my sister and then up through Miss when I was in Tx, before my sister
moved. too little too late.

clo

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6/4/2003, 11:24 AM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>> Brief history lesson: there are those on this list, who shall remain
>> nameless, who firmly believe that EVERYONE has been to Europe.
>>

cMSE> So why are you going? Will it be fun, or do you <have> to?

  Asked and answered in subsequent msg.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> >> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as
> >> she sometimes seems on the list.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> > Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>
> And ME!!!!
>
> Chopped Liver
>

I draw a distinction between "might seem mean but say they are nicer in
rl", and - other categories. Take it as a compliment.

clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Memory is a strange thing. I remember writings about your moving, I remember
> writings about your already having been in Japan, I seem to remember having read
> about Bernard's death, and answering your message about it. I remember you
> meeting Spencer and bringing him home. And I remember both Huntsville and
> Starkville as your abodes. But I was nomail for long periods, too, and may mix
> up things.

The timeline re places and dogs was this (starting with Bernard's
departure from Starkville):

mid-April 1997: Bernard, age 15, moves to Huntsville to stay while I'm
in Japan
late-April 1997: I leave for Japan
May 1998:  I return from Japan, leave Bernard in Huntsville
June 1998:  Death of Bernard
July 1999: Spencer enters my life
later in 1999:  Spencer gradually eats the old, ugly couch
sometime in 2000:  I bought new ugly couch, old one left on curb for
garbage
June 2001: I move from Nash Street to White Drive

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> > sometimes seems on the list.
>
> Oh my ASS!

Lynn:  Don't worry about Tushar.  He injects his ass into lots of
discussions as an act of kindness because he knows we like to think
about it.

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John Williams wrote:

>     Interesting article in today's WSJ about how the shortage of trained
> human chicken-catchers has spurred the development of a mechanical
> chicken harvester.

Hmm.  Maybe restaurants have mechanical shrimp peelers.

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On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:48:08 -0500 you said:
>The nasty job is over.  I sure would hate to work in a restaurant as a
>shrimp-peeler.  But speaking of nastiness, do you remember, Rashmi,
>those slimy green things that I eeked about when we were shelling shrimp
>at lovejudith's house?  I didn't see anything like that in these
>shrimp.  Are RI shrimp different from MS shrimp?  Do RI shrimp eat
>seaweed that turns into green threads?  I'll cc lovejudith on this for
>her opinion.

What you were eeking about was the spinal cords (well, the
shrimp equivalent...actually, I think they are veins).  You have
to dig them out.  If you don't go looking for them, you just leave
them in and they get eaten.  They are slightly sandy-gritty feeling,
but don't have much taste.

love, judith

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6/4/2003, 11:51 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name)

But, to digress to "words". lying in was what women did in the olden
days when they were "with child" or "PG" or "in that way" or whatever
other euphemisms were current at various times.

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Dan Lester wrote:

> No graters at your house?

Nope.  Why bloody one's fingers when God has made little packages of
grated cheese that hang on hooks in grocery stores?

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > It's a shame. Aren't there any wordslers who could arrive at Natalie's place in those few hours left?
> >
>
> No, but had she offered earlier,

She actually did. The intouchedness of that bottle has been tormenting my mind and body for months and
months already.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lynn Weber
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name) and spent the
>first four years on Walnut Lane in Germantown.  Then we moved
>to Plymouth Township.  I went to Plymouth Whitemarsh H.S.
>Have you heard of it?  Left PA at the age of 18, and have
>lived in AL ever since.  That's long story for another time.
>
>Cobpony


I will answer for myself. I have heard Germantown in Philly and of Plymouth
Whitemarsh H.S.. The whole area has changed greatly, a IKEA has added much
traffic to the area.


alec

www.ikea.com

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marie Ascher [mailto:14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:52 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>> I've checked, and I don't seem to have an option for bottom
>> posting, but maybe someone out there can put me right in that
>> matter as well as interlinear posting.  Thank you for the assistance.
>
>It might default to the top, but you can still post at the
>bottom. That being said, top posting doesn't bother me. Not
>quoting any part of the message you are responding to does, but...
>
>So, where in Philly are you from anyway?
>
>Marie
>   Lower Bucks County girl (originally)
>

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Dan Lester wrote:

> The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
> anyway.

Wrongo.  I don't have time to grab cites for you right now.  Am trying
to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various other
things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.

> I know this because I did my stepsons taxes for the last
> several years.  His income is in the 15000 range.  Two kids.  This
> means he qualifies for (damn, forgot the name of it, but the thing
> that gives them all sorts of extra credit).  Anyway, his refund was
> larger than the total he'd paid all year in withholding.

Many of the people involved make much more than 15000.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:00 PM
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>
>
>Dan Lester wrote:
>
>> No graters at your house?
>
>Nope.  Why bloody one's fingers when God has made little packages of
>grated cheese that hang on hooks in grocery stores?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Fresh grated tastes much better. Depends on the cheese you can get too!


alec

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>BKD> First he has to catch it!
>
>  Or find it.

The ones that get hired to do this are turned loose among the chickens.

Bethany

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At 01:42 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Company is thinking about closing or getting rid of their web site?
>
>
>alec

Neither. They may be thinking of "re-orging" though. Sales are at a stand
still, product is not where it should be in order to push sales through and
basically everyone is in an uproar.

We had a round of lay offs 6 months ago and with this board meeting, the
other peons and I are feeling lay off vibes again. The vibes come from
management not talking to us but holding many closed door meetings.

lisa

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steph wrote:

> Now, onto some words stuff.  How did cruft get into my
> vocabulary?  I may be a techy, but I don't read techy much, and

Don't know about cruft, but this jogged my brain to remember to report
that software developers should love me for my answers on a telephone
survey this morning about piracy etc.  I was very much against piracy,
adamantly for being fair to developers.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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Yes, I've always known what is meant, but that doesn't make it a less dreadful name - in fact, maybe more dreadful.

Cobpony

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6/4/2003, 11:51 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:

LW> I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name)

But, to digress to "words". lying in was what women did in the olden
days when they were "with child" or "PG" or "in that way" or whatever
other euphemisms were current at various times.

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> 6/4/2003, 11:51 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> LW> I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name)
>
> But, to digress to "words". lying in was what women did in the olden
> days when they were "with child" or "PG" or "in that way" or whatever
> other euphemisms were current at various times.
>

These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.

                   - D. M.

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At 01:40 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Although, depending on what happened at today's
> > board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.
> >
> > lisa
>
>Ouch. for real?
>clo

For real. There are two camps.. those who think the change will come on the
management/sales level and those who think it'll be on the peon level. I'm
in the latter camp.

My guess is I would be one to go because there's nothing I do that someone
else here couldn't do. No one would like doing it but, it wouldn't be hard
to re-assign.

lisa

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Sounds like a great trip.  I need to figure out a time to use some of my
ff miles and go visit my uncle in Spain.  I shouldn't have agreed to
teach fall semester.  The summer is about to be eaten by various things,
and then I'll be locked in for the fall -- except that we are this year
going to start a fall break and it's going to be combined with
Thanksgiving -- as in having that whole week off instead of just two
days.  That might be a good travel time.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> I suppose they become inactive after a certain time.  And I suppose the
> time is short.  Does anybody know offhand?

I remember asking that question since I sometimes use them in my blog.
But I didn't get an answer.

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> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> >
>> >> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as
>> she sometimes seems on the list.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >
>> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
>> Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>>
>> And ME!!!!
>>
>> Chopped Liver
>>
>
> I draw a distinction between "might seem mean but say they are nicer in
> rl", and - other categories. Take it as a compliment.

Yes, ma'am!

K
> clo

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alec:
> Are you talk about the shit tube on the back of the shrimp?

The technical term is "poo vein".

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> > Pete uses it--he used it recently.
>
> Yabbut Pete is a techy, probably reads
> techy much and probably hangs out with
> techno-american speakers.  There's no
> mystery as to why it's in his vocabulary.
>
> I think Steph just likes the sound of it.

I thought Karen meant that maybe Steph had picked it up from Pete.

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> Dan Lester wrote:
>
> > The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
> > anyway.
>
> Wrongo.  I don't have time to grab cites for you right now.  Am trying
> to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various
other
> things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.
>  -- Natalie

I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
a man told of families who never paid any income
tax who will get checks for $400.

              - D. M.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Beagles songs
>
>
>At 01:42 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>Company is thinking about closing or getting rid of their web site?
>>
>>
>>alec
>
>Neither. They may be thinking of "re-orging" though. Sales are
>at a stand
>still, product is not where it should be in order to push
>sales through and
>basically everyone is in an uproar.
>
>We had a round of lay offs 6 months ago and with this board
>meeting, the
>other peons and I are feeling lay off vibes again. The vibes come from
>management not talking to us but holding many closed door meetings.
>
>lisa
>

Good luck! It is a tough market.


alec

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Lynn Weber wrote:
>
>   Is this better?

Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
non-essential.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > > It's a shame. Aren't there any wordslers who could arrive at Natalie's place in those few hours left?
> > >
> >
> > No, but had she offered earlier,
>
> She actually did. The intouchedness of that bottle has been tormenting my mind and body for months and
> months already.
>
erm, I meant, earlier than the earlier. I met Karen after she made the
offer, but my plane reservations for that trip were made before. I had
actually been thinking of flying in to Houston or NO, so I could see my
sister and take a longer vacation, then drive through Austin to San
Antonio for the board meeting. In that case, I could easily have tripped
north to Starkville from Kiln, or (better yet) met her in Bay St. Louis.

clo

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What's the name of the redwood park?forest? that we
visited after wordquake (is that the right name for
Berkeleyfest?) sheesh, I can't remember anything today.

TIA,
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/4/2003, 11:51 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:
>
> LW> I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name)
>
> But, to digress to "words". lying in was what women did in the olden
> days when they were "with child" or "PG" or "in that way" or whatever
> other euphemisms were current at various times.
>

Cite please!
Lying in wayyy preceded "pg" or even "in that way".
It's more of a contemporary with "expecting an interesting event", and "in
a delicate state".
clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Dan Lester wrote:
>
> > The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
> > anyway.
>
> Wrongo.

I concur. This is different from EIC.
clo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> The timeline re places and dogs was this (starting with Bernard's
> departure from Starkville):
>
> mid-April 1997: Bernard, age 15, moves to Huntsville to stay while I'm
> in Japan
> late-April 1997: I leave for Japan

I guess I attended the list either shortly before the following

> May 1998:  I return from Japan, leave Bernard in Huntsville

or just after it. And although there was much to get to know about you all, and learn
how to manage with a hundred or more messages a day, I evidently felt so much at home
in the list in June 1988 to be sincerely sorry when I read about what followed:

> June 1998:  Death of Bernard
> July 1999: Spencer enters my life

So, it has been only five years. I feel as if it had lasted longer.

> later in 1999:  Spencer gradually eats the old, ugly couch

...gradually... heh heh heh. Of course, it'd be more strange if he had eaten it all at
once, I must admit.

> June 2001: I move from Nash Street to White Drive

Both in Starkville? (This question arose directly from some carelessness of my reading
meanwhile.)

Kristin

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> > LW> I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name)
> >
> > But, to digress to "words". lying in was what women did in the olden
> > days when they were "with child" or "PG" or "in that way" or whatever
> > other euphemisms were current at various times.
> >
>
> Cite please!
> Lying in wayyy preceded "pg" or even "in that way".
> It's more of a contemporary with "expecting an interesting event", and "in
> a delicate state".
> clo


A few moreare contained in:

                            "Metaphors"
                                 by
                            Sylvia Plath
I'm a riddle in nine syllables,
An elephant, a ponderous house,
A melon strolling on two tendrils.
O red fruit, ivory, fine timbers!
This loaf's big with its yeast rising.
Money's new-minted in this fat purse.
I'm a means, a stage, a cow in calf.
I've eaten a bag of green apples,
Boarded the train there's no getting off.

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> What's the name of the redwood park?forest? that we
> visited after wordquake (is that the right name for
> Berkeleyfest?) sheesh, I can't remember anything today.

WordQuake

Muir Woods?

K

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Lynn Weber wrote:
> >
> >   Is this better?
>
> Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> non-essential.

Many of us do prefer it and do top-quote and do edit out non-essential,
yet even today's post gives too many of counter-examples.

Kristin

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > Wrongo.  I don't have time to grab cites for you right now.  Am trying
> > to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various
> other
> > things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
> a man told of families who never paid any income
> tax who will get checks for $400.

I think you have been neatly sidetracked from the main point by the
<inference> that there's something sneaky with accepting and using the
EIC, and that only deadbeats do it.

Natalie's "wrongo" seems to refer to the inaccurate notion that only
people who pay no taxes would benefit from the current child tax
credit under discussion.
clo

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Speaking of sprouting things, I just pulled out a head of garlic from
the refrigerator, minus the clove or two I'd used five or six months
ago, and noticed that it had sprouted long yellow tails.  Does this mean
I should buy some new garlic when I go buy the cheese in a few minutes?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> >Although, depending on what happened at today's
> >board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.
>
> <ugh> I feel your pain, Lisa.
>
> -rashmi
>

How are things going for you, Rashmi?
clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>Although, depending on what happened at today's
>board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.

<ugh> I feel your pain, Lisa.

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> > What's the name of the redwood park?forest? that we
> > visited after wordquake (is that the right name for
> > Berkeleyfest?) sheesh, I can't remember anything today.

>WordQuake

Thank you.

>Muir Woods?

Nope. This was near where Maureen lives. Beautiful gorgeous
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alec D. Plotkin
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:55 PM
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>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:52 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Quick Answer Needed: Garlic Question
>>
>>
>>Speaking of sprouting things, I just pulled out a head of garlic from
>>the refrigerator, minus the clove or two I'd used five or six months
>>ago, and noticed that it had sprouted long yellow tails.  Does
>>this mean
>>I should buy some new garlic when I go buy the cheese in a
>few minutes?
>>--
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>Yes, if the sprout has consumed the garlic. It could also be bitter.
>
>
>alec
>

We have a jar of chopped garlic which we use which works well, don't have to
worry about garlic sprouting.

alec

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6/4/2003, 12:16 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

cMSE> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Dan Lester wrote:
>>
>> > The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
>> > anyway.
>>
>> Wrongo.

cMSE> I concur. This is different from EIC.

So what distinction are you trying to make.  My point was that if they
got more back than they put in, they were the ones who, in general,
aren't getting the EXTRA 400 per kid beyond what they already got.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Quick Answer Needed: Garlic Question
>
>
>Speaking of sprouting things, I just pulled out a head of garlic from
>the refrigerator, minus the clove or two I'd used five or six months
>ago, and noticed that it had sprouted long yellow tails.  Does
>this mean
>I should buy some new garlic when I go buy the cheese in a few minutes?
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Yes, if the sprout has consumed the garlic. It could also be bitter.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Yes, if the sprout has consumed the garlic. It could also be bitter.

Thank you.  I hopped down to this mail -- am way behind in other mail.
Now onward to the grocery store for cheese and garlic -- will just get
jarred garlic probably.  It doesn't grow sprouts.

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6/4/2003, 12:00 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> No graters at your house?

NM> Nope.  Why bloody one's fingers when God has made little packages of
NM> grated cheese that hang on hooks in grocery stores?

Probably the same reason that people buy fresh garlic, fresh parsley,
and about a zillion other things....

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Cobpony

-----Original Message-----
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Lynn Weber wrote:
>
>   Is this better?

Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
non-essential.

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Is this what you mean?  I didn't delete anything you posted.  How do I do that?  The penny finally dropped.

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6/4/2003, 12:04 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Dan Lester wrote:

>> The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
>> anyway.

NM> Wrongo.  I don't have time to grab cites for you right now.  Am trying
NM> to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various other
NM> things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.

I'm waiting.

>> I know this because I did my stepsons taxes for the last
>> several years.  His income is in the 15000 range.  Two kids.  This
>> means he qualifies for (damn, forgot the name of it, but the thing
>> that gives them all sorts of extra credit).  Anyway, his refund was
>> larger than the total he'd paid all year in withholding.

NM> Many of the people involved make much more than 15000.

I believe the people involved are all making less than 18,000.  But
I'll wait for your cites from neutral sources.

dan

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6/4/2003, 11:55 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>>BKD> First he has to catch it!
>>
>>  Or find it.

BKD> The ones that get hired to do this are turned loose among the chickens.

That's OK Bethany, you missed the joke.  Or ignored it.  No problem.

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6/4/2003, 12:12 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
DM> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
DM> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.

You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
birthed chilluns for yea many million years?

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:57 PM
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Yes, if the sprout has consumed the garlic. It could also be bitter.
>
>Thank you.  I hopped down to this mail -- am way behind in other mail.
>Now onward to the grocery store for cheese and garlic -- will just get
>jarred garlic probably.  It doesn't grow sprouts.
>
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>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

Clone maybe ?

alec

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6/4/2003, 12:14 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

cMSE> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>> 6/4/2003, 11:51 AM, Lynn Weber wrote:
>>
>> LW> I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name)
>>
>> But, to digress to "words". lying in was what women did in the olden
>> days when they were "with child" or "PG" or "in that way" or whatever
>> other euphemisms were current at various times.
>>

cMSE> Cite please!
cMSE> Lying in wayyy preceded "pg" or even "in that way".
cMSE> It's more of a contemporary with "expecting an interesting event", and "in
cMSE> a delicate state".

Oh, I wasn't trying to cite any precedence, sequence, coincidence, or
anything of that sort.  Just that it was an ancient term and had a
meaning that many don't now know, but that it turned out Cobpony did.


dan



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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

> "...we will create a tiny URL that
> will not break in email postings
> and never expires."
>
>    http://tinurl.com

Amazing and thanks, vehicle.
I guess I'm having other problems - like the original link dying.

Ann

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Speaking of sprouting things, I just pulled out a head of garlic from
> the refrigerator, minus the clove or two I'd used five or six months
> ago, and noticed that it had sprouted long yellow tails.  Does this mean
> I should buy some new garlic when I go buy the cheese in a few minutes?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>

I would. It's faster than working through the decision tree about whether
it's still good.
clo

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JMW:
>     Ottowa University would be my guess.

What's that?

The University of Phoenix's farm team?

--
Richard      definitely not a good thing

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> You can't cut and paste? Or insert?
>
> Bethany

I use Outlook at work.  Sure, she can keep the original in the reply, and
insert and delete at will, just as in any wp function.

Ann

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> > sometimes seems on the list.
>
> and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!

I would like to correct this about myself.  I am fully as mean as I seem
on the list.  It's just that it's nearly impossible for me to be mean to
somebody's face.  Superficial politeness is some kind of biological
imperative.  Close friends understand that when I start being rude to
somebody, that means I'm starting to feel comfortable with them.

Ann

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clo:

>How are things going for you, Rashmi?

ok, I guess. I'm anxious, confused, worried ...I have some
scary big decisions to make soon and that's weighing on my
mind.

-rashmi

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02003-06-04 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I would like to correct this about myself.  I am fully as mean as I seem
> on the list.  It's just that it's nearly impossible for me to be mean to
> somebody's face.  Superficial politeness is some kind of biological
> imperative.  Close friends understand that when I start being rude to
> somebody, that means I'm starting to feel comfortable with them.

I know a lot of asses--I mean a LOT--who don't get this at all...

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Ann Borkin:
= On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
=
= > Just what exactly is it you were going to bear in mind?
=
= She should bear in mind that Natalie thinks you're a nice person, and that
= Natalie thinks you've been posting tough.
=
= I advise her to bear in mind that Natalie does not speak for the list.

Oooh!  Another fan!

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> = On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
> =
> = I advise her to bear in mind that Natalie does not speak for the list.
>
> Oooh!  Another fan!

Oh, I think you're nice enough.  I even think you were being nice enough
to cobpony.  But I -do- ask her to bear in mind that Natalie does not
speak for the list!

Ann

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> 6/4/2003, 12:12 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> DM> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> DM> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> DM> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
>
> You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
> birthed chilluns for yea many million years?

Yup.

I still think it's cruel.

          - D. M.

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02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Lynn Weber wrote:
> >
> >   Is this better?
>
> Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> non-essential.

Don't worry about this rude remark! Natalie just likes to be mean
to people she is really quite neutral about. Whatever you do, don't
go! We will kick Natalie out!

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>
> >Muir Woods?
>
> Nope. This was near where Maureen lives. Beautiful gorgeous
> trees and great atmosphere. Betty or Larry will know.
>
> -rashmi

    That would have been Armstrong Redwoods.

JMW

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> What's that?
>
> The University of Phoenix's farm team?

    Nah, but close.  Another private diploma mill.

JMW

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human powered vehicle:
= Karen:
= >>I may be a techy, but I don't read techy much, and
= >>those around me don't generally speak techno-american.  And yet,
= >>there it is.
= > Pete uses it--he used it recently.
=
= Yabbut Pete is a techy, probably reads
= techy much and probably hangs out with
= techno-american speakers.  There's no
= mystery as to why it's in his vocabulary.
=
= I think Steph just likes the sound of it.
=

Well, I do.  But it really was the first word out.  Which is why
it struck me so that it was only in the jargon file.  I rather
more frequently than I feel is normal need to check whether the
first word out really means what I think it does.  Sometimes it
doesn't, even.  So I suppose it's good to know that hanging out
here does have a positive effect on my vocabulary.

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=
= > I think Steph just likes the sound of it.
=
= Of course.
=
= K

Am I SO predictable?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > DM> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> > DM> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> > DM> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
> >
> > You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
> > birthed chilluns for yea many million years?
>
> Yup.
>
> I still think it's cruel.

Many mothers like it. When my first son was born, in 1980, we were held
in the hospital for a week -- to make it sure everything was all right.
Then the time gradually shortened. I was ambivalent towards it: it was
good to be taken care of, and be free of housework, but as the babies
were then held in another room, save feeding time, I lusted for getting
home and being together with my baby. Most women would've liked to leave
sooner.

By now the conditions in hospitals have improved much, so that moms can
be together with their newborns, and usually they go home the next day
after having given birth, I think.

Kristin

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> >
> > DM> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> > DM> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> > DM> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
> >
> > You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
> > birthed chilluns for yea many million years?
>
> Yup.
>
> I still think it's cruel.
>
>           - D. M.

Been thinking about that.  The life that a mother comes
home to these days is a "bit" more complicated than
the live of the peasant squatting in the rice field.
Young mothers these days need a little space to
not only heal their bodies but their emotions before
they go home to be everything to everyone.

                  - D. M.

                     - D. M.

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>
> > > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean
as she
> > > sometimes seems on the list.
> >
> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> > Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>
> I would like to correct this about myself.  I am fully as mean as I
seem
> on the list.  It's just that it's nearly impossible for me to be mean
to
> somebody's face.  Superficial politeness is some kind of biological
> imperative.  Close friends understand that when I start being rude to
> somebody, that means I'm starting to feel comfortable with them.
>
> Ann

She loves us!

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Lynn Weber wrote:
> > >   Is this better?
> > Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> > non-essential.
> Don't worry about this rude remark! Natalie just likes to be mean
> to people she is really quite neutral about. Whatever you do, don't
> go! We will kick Natalie out!

I hope you are not offended by Tushar!  He never seems to realize just how
deeply offensive he is!  That can be pretty deeply offensive, you better
believe it!

Ann

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JMW:

>That would have been Armstrong Redwoods.

Thanks! Do you remember the name of the town?

-rashmi

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Thanks! Do you remember the name of the town?

    Guerneville?
    (Is there a prize in here somewhere?)

JMW

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> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>> Thanks! Do you remember the name of the town?
>
>     Guerneville?

Yep.

>     (Is there a prize in here somewhere?)

Rashmi's undying gratitude?

K

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> By now the conditions in hospitals have improved much, so that moms can
> be together with their newborns, and usually they go home the next day
> after having given birth, I think.

For a while here the routine was in and out within 24 hours.  I think
that's been extended to 48 hours,


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6/4/2003, 12:51 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Speaking of sprouting things, I just pulled out a head of garlic from
NM> the refrigerator, minus the clove or two I'd used five or six months
NM> ago, and noticed that it had sprouted long yellow tails.  Does this mean
NM> I should buy some new garlic when I go buy the cheese in a few minutes?

    Put it in a jar of water like a sweet potato and watch it grow on
    your windowsill.  And also get a new one.
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6/4/2003, 1:41 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> Been thinking about that.  The life that a mother comes
DM> home to these days is a "bit" more complicated than
DM> the live of the peasant squatting in the rice field.
DM> Young mothers these days need a little space to
DM> not only heal their bodies but their emotions before
DM> they go home to be everything to everyone.

And the women haven't been everything to everyone since Eve? Ya think
Adam fixed his own supper, did the laundry, cleaned the garden, or
anything else?  Todays woman in the US actually has a chance to get a
little peace and quiet and privacy in many cases.  Plus has MUCH less
physical labor to deal with.


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Marie Ascher wrote:

> I think a cup of cheese on a pound of pasta would be too much for many people.

I've now got 2 5-oz packages of mixed Romano and Parmesan in addition to
the 1 4-oz package of just Parmesan that I got yesterday (at a different
store -- would've gotten the mixture yesterday if they'd had it).  Will
maybe let the guests decide how much of it to use.

And I've got some little jars of fresh minced garlic -- not the usual
dry kind.  These say refrigerate after opening.

And the shrimp peelings, old sprouted garlic, and assorted other stinky
garbage are in the campus dumpster behind the p.o., where the stink
won't offend anybody except maybe very briefly while walking by it.
Nobody is in that area for extended periods of time.  Started to keep
the garbage since tomorrow is garbage day but needed to go to the p.o.
anyway.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> It's a shame. Aren't there any wordslers who could arrive at Natalie's place in those few hours left?

I'm guessing Lynn is the closest.  Richard would be a close second
closest.  I'd need to look at a map to be sure since my knowledge of
where Sylacauga is is vague -- I have it associated in my head with
Talladega, but I'm a bit vague on its precise location also, except that
I'm thinking pretty far east.

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Lynn is a good bit closer than Richard.  It's less than three hours from
here to Birmingham, and Sylacauga isn't all that much farther:

http://www.sylacauga.net/location.htm

If you leave right now, Lynn, and don't dawdle along the way, you might
be able to get here before the local guests arrive.

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PS: Take the interstate to Tuscaloosa and then Hwy 82 west to
Starkville.  You will be only a few blocks from my house when Hwy 82
crossed Old West Point Rd.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> > sometimes seems on the list.
> > --
>
> and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!

No, no.  Some of them are always mean.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Are you talk about the shit tube on the back of the shrimp?
>
> http://www.davidscooking.com/tipsandtech/prepshrimp/prepshrimp.html

Oh barf.  I just glanced at the url -- no time to look at it carefully
-- and saw something about cutting out the digestive track.  I didn't do
that.  I just jerked on the shelly back and slid off the plastic-feeling
shelly stuff and the legs.  No heads involved.  They were headless.

I wonder (for future reference) whether one could make The Dish using
pre-cooked shrimp -- those nice pink ones sitting there beside the slimy
gray shelly ones in stores.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > > The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
> > > anyway.
> >
> > Wrongo.  I don't have time to grab cites for you right now.  Am trying
> > to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various
> other
> > things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
> a man told of families who never paid any income
> tax who will get checks for $400.

I feel sure that will happen.  The tax laws are a mess, imho, with many
people rolling in money and paying little or no taxes because of the
loopholes.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > later in 1999:  Spencer gradually eats the old, ugly couch
>
> ...gradually... heh heh heh. Of course, it'd be more strange if he had eaten it all at
> once, I must admit.

Somewhat gradually.  It didn't take him long at all.  But it was more
than just one day.

> > June 2001: I move from Nash Street to White Drive
>
> Both in Starkville?

Yep.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> Natalie's "wrongo" seems to refer to the inaccurate notion that only
> people who pay no taxes would benefit from the current child tax
> credit under discussion.

Did you leave out a not -- that only people who pay no taxes would NOT
benefit from it?  That is indeed what I meant.  Plenty of the people who
were lopped out of it are taxpayers.  I'll find the specifics tomorrow.
No time to look now.  Need to log off soon.  (I might have put something
about it on my blog -- can't remember for sure --
http://nmaynor.blogspot.com/.)

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Subject: Re:      Re: Beagles songs + Email  problems
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> And the women haven't been everything to everyone since Eve? Ya think
> Adam fixed his own supper, did the laundry, cleaned the garden, or
> anything else?  Todays woman in the US actually has a chance to get a
> little peace and quiet and privacy in many cases.  Plus has MUCH less
> physical labor to deal with.

I am in constant amazement as I see what young
mothers accomplish these days.  They work fulltime,
keep up their own house, pile all the kids in the
<van>, get them to the sitters, to baseball, to
music and dance lessons, to doctors and dentists,
they take care of their lawns and beautiful flowers,
and often do community work as well.
I don't know how they do it.

I thought mine was a fulltime job . . and, except
for a few years, I did not work outside the home.

               - D. M.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Nope. This was near where Maureen lives. Beautiful gorgeous
> trees and great atmosphere. Betty or Larry will know.

I might have it written on the back of the pictures I took there.  But
Betty and Larry will surely answer long before I could find those
pictures.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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In a message dated 06/04/2003 1:10:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
For real. There are two camps.. those who think the change will come on the
management/sales level and those who think it'll be on the peon level. I'm
in the latter camp.

>>

I hope things pick up there or that you find a better job.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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> > I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
> > a man told of families who never paid any income
> > tax who will get checks for $400.
>
> I feel sure that will happen.  The tax laws are a mess, imho, with
many
> people rolling in money and paying little or no taxes because of the
> loopholes.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie

But I am talking about people at the low end of the
pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
a dividend.

                   - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> She actually did. The intouchedness of that bottle has been tormenting my mind and body for months and
> months already.

Maybe we won't open it tonight (unless Lynn gets here in time).  Maybe
I'll save it for the Race of the Wordslers.  We could do bets and stuff
about who would be the first one to get here.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

>  In that case, I could easily have tripped
> north to Starkville from Kiln, or (better yet) met her in Bay St. Louis.

That would've been fun -- either of those ideas.  And if we were in Bay
St. Louis, we could presumably buy shrimp straight from the returning
boats.  Ugh.  I bet those shrimp are headed.

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=
= These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
= lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
= and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
=
=                    - D. M.

Actually, I'm fond of the way they do it here, where you don't
generally have to even go to the hospital, and health insurance
pays for someone to help with the house and the newborn for a
couple of days.

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The following people have ordered their Acadiafest t-shirts:

Marie
Natalie
Rita
Ana
Adam
Clyde
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You have until Saturday night to make up your mind.  Please order on list
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> = These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> = lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> = and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
> =
> =                    - D. M.
>
> Actually, I'm fond of the way they do it here, where you don't
> generally have to even go to the hospital, and health insurance
> pays for someone to help with the house and the newborn for a
> couple of days.

To have help would be good.

How many kids have you had, Steph?

                 - D. M.

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In a message dated 06/04/2003 1:07:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.


>>

That's what happens when HMO's dictate medicine
to doctors.  I think it's long past time when doctors
get to decide what's best for their patients without
some outsider telling them what to do.

I remember a Chicago Hope episode in which a
patient's HMO was not going to cover a life-saving
operation, but the hospital's lawyer convinced the
HMO that it would be cheaper to cover the procedure
than it would for the patient to sue the HMO.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Dan Lester:
= 6/4/2003, 12:51 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= NM> Speaking of sprouting things, I just pulled out a head of garlic from
= NM> the refrigerator, minus the clove or two I'd used five or six months
= NM> ago, and noticed that it had sprouted long yellow tails.  Does this mean
= NM> I should buy some new garlic when I go buy the cheese in a few minutes?
=
=     Put it in a jar of water like a sweet potato and watch it grow on
=     your windowsill.  And also get a new one.

Actually, we just planted some of ours, just for the hell of it.
Garlic greens are tasty too.

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=
= How many kids have you had, Steph?
=
=                  - D. M.

None.  Yet.  Do you think I coulda had some kids running around
here and not have mentioned them once in all these years?  I'm
weird, but I'm not that weird.

I think the age limit is 37 here.  As in, once you're over 37 then
the general risks are high enough that they want you in the
hospital to give birth.  Also, you want drugs, you gotta go to
the hospital.  I should hunt down statistics, since they are
changing, but it was still true last I looked that by far and
away most kids were born at home.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:58 PM
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>
>
>Dan Lester wrote:
>
>> 6/4/2003, 1:41 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> DM> Been thinking about that.  The life that a mother comes
>> DM> home to these days is a "bit" more complicated than
>> DM> the live of the peasant squatting in the rice field.
>> DM> Young mothers these days need a little space to
>> DM> not only heal their bodies but their emotions before
>> DM> they go home to be everything to everyone.
>>
>> And the women haven't been everything to everyone since Eve? Ya think
>> Adam fixed his own supper, did the laundry, cleaned the garden, or
>> anything else?  Todays woman in the US actually has a chance to get a
>> little peace and quiet and privacy in many cases.  Plus has MUCH less
>> physical labor to deal with.
>
>
>        LOL.  Yeah, peace and quiet.  I get *so* much of that.
>
>
>
>
One kid is that loud?


alec

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/4/2003, 1:41 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> DM> Been thinking about that.  The life that a mother comes
> DM> home to these days is a "bit" more complicated than
> DM> the live of the peasant squatting in the rice field.
> DM> Young mothers these days need a little space to
> DM> not only heal their bodies but their emotions before
> DM> they go home to be everything to everyone.
>
> And the women haven't been everything to everyone since Eve? Ya think
> Adam fixed his own supper, did the laundry, cleaned the garden, or
> anything else?  Todays woman in the US actually has a chance to get a
> little peace and quiet and privacy in many cases.  Plus has MUCH less
> physical labor to deal with.


        LOL.  Yeah, peace and quiet.  I get *so* much of that.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 06/04/2003 1:07:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
>
> <<
> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.


Nah.  It is impossible to sleep in a hospital.  And there
are *germs* everywhere.


>
> That's what happens when HMO's dictate medicine
> to doctors.  I think it's long past time when doctors
> get to decide what's best for their patients without
> some outsider telling them what to do.
>
> I remember a Chicago Hope episode in which a
> patient's HMO was not going to cover a life-saving
> operation, but the hospital's lawyer convinced the
> HMO that it would be cheaper to cover the procedure
> than it would for the patient to sue the HMO.


        Evelyn, please pay careful attention:  TV is not real life.
It is made up.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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-----Original Message-----
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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > She's not nearly as mean as she
> > sometimes seems on the list.
> > --
>
> and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!

No, no.  Some of them are always mean.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

The most deeply held opinion seems to be about Tushar.  Maybe I should court him and ask him to be my cyber personal tutor - disarm him, so to speak.  But then again, he may be the terribly resentful type.

My husband has just called to let me know that my home computer monitor has just gone totally blank and there seems not to be any power to it.  I've had it for less than 2 weeks.  Well, back to the drawing board.
We must go out of town tomorrow to consult some sort of  super-surgeon.  I just didn't anyone to think I had abandoned the field of battle.
Cobpony

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> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.

Hospitals are very dangerous places. In general, the less time spent there
the better.

Bethany

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At 10:34 AM 6/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> >> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as
> >> she sometimes seems on the list.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> > Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>
>And ME!!!!
>
>Chopped Liver

You are mean.

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At 02:07 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 01:40 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > Although, depending on what happened at today's
>> > board meeting, that might not be a problem for me anymore.
>> >
>> > lisa
>>
>>Ouch. for real?
>>clo
>
>For real. There are two camps.. those who think the change will come on the
>management/sales level and those who think it'll be on the peon level. I'm
>in the latter camp.
>
>My guess is I would be one to go because there's nothing I do that someone
>else here couldn't do. No one would like doing it but, it wouldn't be hard
>to re-assign.
>
>lisa

Oh, dear. I'm sorry to hear this Lisa.  Lots of closed door meetings here,
too. No one seems able to make a decision.

Betty

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 4 Jun 2003 at 16:13, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> I don't have the URL right here where you can view the picture of the
> t-shirt.

http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html

The more of these things we produce, the better the unit price
looks.

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At 06:24 PM 6/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>What's the name of the redwood park?forest? that we
>visited after wordquake (is that the right name for
>Berkeleyfest?) sheesh, I can't remember anything today.
>
>TIA,
>-rashmi

I want to say Anderson Redwood Grove but I'm not certain.

Betty
WordQuake

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In a message dated 06/04/2003 4:25:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
You are mean.

>>

No.  I've known many mean people, and she is not mean.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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At 12:26 PM 6/4/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> >
> > >Muir Woods?
> >
> > Nope. This was near where Maureen lives. Beautiful gorgeous
> > trees and great atmosphere. Betty or Larry will know.
> >
> > -rashmi
>
>     That would have been Armstrong Redwoods.
>
>JMW

Yes, that's it!  I knew it started with an "A".   It is indeed
beautiful.  We've been back.

Betty

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At 04:13 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>The following people have ordered their Acadiafest t-shirts:
>
>Marie
>Natalie
>Rita
>Ana
>Adam
>Clyde
>Bookrat  (3)
>Larry (2)
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>
>You have until Saturday night to make up your mind.  Please order on list
>or to me personally at bonniev@panax.com.  I don't have the URL right here
>where you can view the picture of the t-shirt.  Perhaps Mem does.

The URL to view the shirt is:

http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html

cwv

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At 07:35 PM 6/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>JMW:
>
>>That would have been Armstrong Redwoods.
>
>Thanks! Do you remember the name of the town?
>
>-rashmi



Guerneville

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> >I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name) and spent the
> >first four years on Walnut Lane in Germantown.  Then we moved
> >to Plymouth Township.  I went to Plymouth Whitemarsh H.S.
> >Have you heard of it?  Left PA at the age of 18, and have
> >lived in AL ever since.  That's long story for another time.

I'm sure I've been at Plymouth Whitemarsh high school for a swim meet or something -- I went to Neshaminy schools. Definitely heard of it. Probably was never quite sure where I was when I was going there though.

Germantown is a great area. I drive through quite often while visiting my youngest sister, Danie (who had a baby, Madeline, in January, don't know if I mentioned it -- what a sweetie).

I was in Philly just last week -- actually embarassingly close to Alec (sorry, didn't even think of it, coulda had lunch), at the Children's Hospital (CHOP) and around the Drexel campus. It was fun to be back in the old stomping grounds -- my library school, my library, thoughts of rashmeeber (and not-so-pleasant thoughts of rashmeeber being mugged), and noticing little changes (and big ones), in the area. It's funny how fleeting memory of place can be and how it all comes rushing back when you visit an old familiar place.

Marie

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At 11:29 AM 6/4/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 4 Jun 2003 at 16:13, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> > I don't have the URL right here where you can view the picture of the
> > t-shirt.
>
>http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>
>The more of these things we produce, the better the unit price
>looks.

Still a butt ugly green.

Betty

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> > For the cheese, which I'm not sure is in Judith's recipe or not,
> I'd still a
> > lot of each - maybe 1/2 cup of each.
>
> Uh oh.

For the record, Judith's exact wording is:

"Quite a lot of grated Italian cheese (Romano and/or Parmesan)."

Marie

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> Still a butt ugly green.

Maybe only on the screen?

Ann

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Gotta fly to Pittsburgh PA in the a.m. Be back Sunday night. (Law &
Society Ass'n sessions on Language and Law).

Bethany

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>>http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>>
>>The more of these things we produce, the better the unit price
>>looks.
>
>Still a butt ugly green.
>Betty

You are going to be unhappy at our house.  The color of the t-shirt is the
color of our house siding.  Plus we have deck flower boxes filled with
geraniums, which you find stinky.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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At 05:57 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>For the record, Judith's exact wording is:
>
>"Quite a lot of grated Italian cheese (Romano and/or Parmesan)."
>
>Marie

Granted, but a cup of cheese makes it a deep-dish pizza, sans crust.

cwv

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At 02:46 PM 6/4/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
 >Still a butt ugly green.

Be sure to bring your TS chit---we'll arrange for the local chaplain to
punch it.

cwv

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Great advice from the horse's mouth.

New address:  lcweber2003@yahoo.com

Thank you.

Lynne

Cobpony

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > 6/4/2003, 12:12 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > DM> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> > DM> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> > DM> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
> >
> > You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
> > birthed chilluns for yea many million years?
>
> Yup.
>
> I still think it's cruel.

Well, my experience was way different than most, but all the friends I
know who were in birthing rooms got to choose between staying 1 day, 2
days, and going home as soon as they seemed fit. Far from being cruel, it
was flexible and responsive.
clo

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02003-06-04 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 4 Jun 2003 at 16:13, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> > I don't have the URL right here where you can view the picture of the
> > t-shirt.
>
> http://www.arrirang.net/shirt/afshirt.html
>
> The more of these things we produce, the better the unit price
> looks.

What is it at the moment? Is it tax-free?

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Lynn Weber wrote:
> > >
> > >   Is this better?
> >
> > Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> > non-essential.
>
> Don't worry about this rude remark! Natalie just likes to be mean
> to people she is really quite neutral about. Whatever you do, don't
> go! We will kick Natalie out!
>

And if you're wondering why this polite phrase is being recast as rude,
relax. it's the wordsler way. Since email has no tone of voice, you can
read it any way you want, and there's always someone who will!
clo

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02003-06-04 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > Lynn Weber wrote:
> > > >
> > > >   Is this better?
> > >
> > > Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> > > non-essential.
> >
> > Don't worry about this rude remark! Natalie just likes to be mean
> > to people she is really quite neutral about. Whatever you do, don't
> > go! We will kick Natalie out!
>
>
> And if you're wondering why this polite phrase is being recast as rude,
> relax. it's the wordsler way. Since email has no tone of voice, you can
> read it any way you want, and there's always someone who will!

I have to say, I have seen shitty attitude in my life but this
is by far the shittiest.

Get help ...

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> > >
> > > You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
> > > birthed chilluns for yea many million years?
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > I still think it's cruel.
>
> Well, my experience was way different than most, but all the friends I
> know who were in birthing rooms got to choose between staying 1 day, 2
> days, and going home as soon as they seemed fit. Far from being cruel,
it
> was flexible and responsive.
> clo

1-2 days is not cruel.  1-2 hours is cruel.

                     - D. M.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 4:15:18 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

> At 10:34 AM 6/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> >
>> >> PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as
>> >> she sometimes seems on the list.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >
>> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
>> > Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>>
>>And ME!!!!
>>
>>Chopped Liver

> You are mean.

My ETs don't think so...

Karen

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Been thinking about that.  The life that a mother comes
> home to these days is a "bit" more complicated than
> the live of the peasant squatting in the rice field.
> Young mothers these days need a little space to
> not only heal their bodies but their emotions before
> they go home to be everything to everyone.

Sometimes. Sometimes being at home means having access to supportive
people, and its better. I like the new flexibility.
clo

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Bethany:
>Hospitals are very dangerous places. In general,
>the less time spent there the better.

Doctors are dangerous people.  The
less time spent around them the better.

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Richard      definitely not a good thing

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At 02:58 PM 6/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > Still a butt ugly green.
>
>Maybe only on the screen?

That is what mem said.

Betty

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At 06:29 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:46 PM 6/4/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
> >Still a butt ugly green.
>
>Be sure to bring your TS chit---we'll arrange for the local chaplain to
>punch it.
>
>cwv

I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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> Sometimes. Sometimes being at home means having access to supportive
> people, and its better. I like the new flexibility.
> clo

I still say new mothers need some alone time
to heal and put things together inside.  Particularly
first time mothers.  Their life has changed radically
in a short time, they hurt physically, their emotions
are raw.  Supportive people can visit them, but it's
the hours when there is no company that heal.

Except . . now they have put the baby in her room.

The responsibility can't start soon enough.
And it never ends!

                    - D. M.

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Natalie, party-organizer to the stars:
>Richard would be a close second closest.

Well, you didn't mention the booze menu
until it was far too late for me to hop
on the bike and make it to S'patch.

jeez.

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Natalie, the reluctant poo-veiner:
>Ugh.  I bet those shrimp are headed.

Without heads, how do you make stock?

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On 4 Jun 2003 at 15:55, Betty Clark wrote:

> That is what mem said.

So I guess that means you have a butt-ugly monitor.

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Neither my printed copy of the recipe nor the one in the list cookbook
says WHEN to put in the cheese!
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On 4 Jun 2003 at 17:47, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What is it at the moment? Is it tax-free?

Probably about $16 plus mailing costs (unless you want to go to Bar
Harbor to pick it up), but for you we can make an exception: say,
$819.00 (yeah, that'll do nicely to cover my cat's vet bill). Tax
included (as far as I'm concerned).

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> I think a cup of cheese on a pound of pasta would be too much for
> many people.
>
> Marie

That's about my standard ratio and everyone at SnowBash chows it down.
*shrug*

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Sometimes. Sometimes being at home means having access to supportive
>>people, and its better. I like the new flexibility.
>>clo
>>
>
> I still say new mothers need some alone time
> to heal and put things together inside.  Particularly
> first time mothers.  Their life has changed radically
> in a short time, they hurt physically, their emotions
> are raw.  Supportive people can visit them, but it's
> the hours when there is no company that heal.
>
> Except . . now they have put the baby in her room.


But if you're going to breastfeed, the baby really needs to
be in your room.  I fretted when she was out.  And babies
tend to sleep a lot the first couple of days anyway.

I remember being sore, but not emotionally raw.  I was
pretty euphoric, actually.


> The responsibility can't start soon enough.
> And it never ends!


Yep.  It starts long before birth.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>$819.00 (yeah, that'll do nicely to cover my cat's vet bill).

What happened to your cat, mem ?? !!


          --bonniev@panax.com

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Doris wrote:
> These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.

Here in Massachusetts there's a state law that lets new mothers stay in the
hospital for 3 days before the HMO can demand they be sent home.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>
>
> But if you're going to breastfeed, the baby really needs to
> be in your room.  I fretted when she was out.  And babies
> tend to sleep a lot the first couple of days anyway.

My babies were not in my room . . way back when.
They were brought in when it was time to feed.  No
reason at all that you can't get a good sleep in between.

>
> I remember being sore, but not emotionally raw.  I was
> pretty euphoric, actually.

I was euphoric too.  I remember that I couldn't sleep,
I was so hyper.  But after hyper comes the slam dunk.
I needed sleep.  I needed to regroup.

With my first baby, I remember my first few days at
home.  One day, when I had been up at night a lot with
the baby, I stood at the ironing board, ironing my
husbands' trousers, (cotton, sprinkled, ironed to
perfection, as was done then when we didn't have
wrinkle-free fabric) and tears were rolling down my
face.  I was exhausted.  I was discouraged.  I felt
no one gave a damn.  And this was after I had
several days recovery in the hospital.

If I had come home the same day as delivery I
think I would never have survived.

                  - D. M.





>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

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In a message dated 06/04/2003 7:15:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
>$819.00 (yeah, that'll do nicely to cover my cat's vet bill).

What happened to your cat, mem ?? !!

>>

Yes, that's a very large bill.  Poor kitty!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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> Doris wrote:
> > These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> > lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> > and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
>
> Here in Massachusetts there's a state law that lets new mothers stay
in the
> hospital for 3 days before the HMO can demand they be sent home.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

You gotta be kidding!

      -D. M.

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At 01:47 PM 6/4/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 4 Jun 2003 at 15:55, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > That is what mem said.
>
>So I guess that means you have a butt-ugly monitor.

Yep, because I've seen Bonnie's house and it isn't the same color.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>>But if you're going to breastfeed, the baby really needs to
>>be in your room.  I fretted when she was out.  And babies
>>tend to sleep a lot the first couple of days anyway.
>>
>
> My babies were not in my room . . way back when.
> They were brought in when it was time to feed.  No
> reason at all that you can't get a good sleep in between.


Yep.  When the baby is also sleeping :).




> With my first baby, I remember my first few days at
> home.  One day, when I had been up at night a lot with
> the baby, I stood at the ironing board, ironing my
> husbands' trousers, (cotton, sprinkled, ironed to
> perfection, as was done then when we didn't have
> wrinkle-free fabric) and tears were rolling down my
> face.  I was exhausted.  I was discouraged.  I felt
> no one gave a damn.  And this was after I had
> several days recovery in the hospital.


Doris, things are a little different now.  I puttered around
a bit, but didn't do any heavy housework for a couple of
weeks.  And anyway, my husband irons his own pants (and
mine, too).  Also cooks dinner.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> I wonder (for future reference) whether one could make The Dish using
> pre-cooked shrimp -- those nice pink ones sitting there beside the slimy
> gray shelly ones in stores.

The Dish has raw shrimp in it at first.

You can use those precooked shrimp, but it won't be The Dish.

--Adam, who has spoken
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> New address:  lcweber2003@yahoo.com

I added your new address and set your old address to NOMAIL. That way if you
ever want to reactivate it, you can.

--Adam

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Mem,

   Is it possible to get a child's small, say 3T or 3/4 or whatever size
they call them?

Thanks, Terry

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> Neither my printed copy of the recipe nor the one in the list cookbook
> says WHEN to put in the cheese!

After the pasta is done and drained and the fire is off. The heat from the
pasta melts the cheese.

--Adam

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> > Here in Massachusetts there's a state law that lets new mothers stay
> in the
> > hospital for 3 days before the HMO can demand they be sent home.
> >
> > --Adam
> > adamh1@attbi.com
>
> You gotta be kidding!
>
>       -D. M.

No, I'm not kidding. I'd find the law but the website isn't fun.

--Adam
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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 4 Jun 2003 at 20:14, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> What happened to your cat, mem ?? !!

Mostly I think my vet had a payment due on her Mercedes. The cat
had a tumor that turned out not to be malignant. She decided to
remove the whole thing first and test it later. So there's surgery,
lab work, and all kinds of stuff wrapped up in that bill. The guy
is still walking around with staples in the side of his head.
They'll come out soon.

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At 08:53 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Neither my printed copy of the recipe nor the one in the list cookbook
> > says WHEN to put in the cheese!
>
>After the pasta is done and drained and the fire is off. The heat from the
>pasta melts the cheese.

I'm hungry!  That was so good, Adam.

Betty

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> I'm hungry!  That was so good, Adam.

Thank you.

You'll just have to come back for more, is all.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
who could deal with a snack, too

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At 09:15 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > I'm hungry!  That was so good, Adam.
>
>Thank you.
>
>You'll just have to come back for more, is all.

Yes!

Betty

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>> > Here in Massachusetts there's a state law that lets new mothers stay
>> in the
>> > hospital for 3 days before the HMO can demand they be sent home.
>> >
>> > --Adam
>> > adamh1@attbi.com
>>
>> You gotta be kidding!
>>
>>       -D. M.
>


Here it is 2 days unless C-section which is a week, I think.  This was the
case with all 3 of mine.  If the doc oks it, you don't have to stay the 2
days.

Terry

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> >     (Is there a prize in here somewhere?)

>Rashmi's undying gratitude?

Yep, and a big <smooch>. Thanks, JMW.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Doris wrote:
> > > These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> > > lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> > > and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
> >
> > Here in Massachusetts there's a state law that lets new mothers stay
> in the
> > hospital for 3 days before the HMO can demand they be sent home.
> >

well, the HMO can refuse to pay for additional days. It's the cost
that sends you home. But a doctor can override the HMO
guidelines if it seems medically necessary, and depression can
be a reason it's medically necessary.

clo

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At 01:31 AM 6/5/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> >     (Is there a prize in here somewhere?)
>
>>Rashmi's undying gratitude?
>
>Yep, and a big <smooch>. Thanks, JMW.

We thought we would take Terry to Muir Woods, but Armstrong would be fun if
she wants to go see Myles, too.  So much to cram into one week end.

Betty

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> > > sometimes seems on the list.
> > > --
> >
> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> > Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>
> No, no.  Some of them are always mean.
>

But I am not, so I didn't specify anything about that.
clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> >  In that case, I could easily have tripped
> > north to Starkville from Kiln, or (better yet) met her in Bay St. Louis.
>
> That would've been fun -- either of those ideas.  And if we were in Bay
> St. Louis, we could presumably buy shrimp straight from the returning
> boats.  Ugh.  I bet those shrimp are headed.
>

I second the fun, and the <ugh> for headed shrimp.
I know I should be tougher.
clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, steph wrote:

> =
> = These days I believe the mothers are allowed to
> = lie down for a few minutes or hours after the birth,
> = and then they are sent home.  I think it's cruel.
> =
> =                    - D. M.
>
> Actually, I'm fond of the way they do it here, where you don't
> generally have to even go to the hospital, and health insurance
> pays for someone to help with the house and the newborn for a
> couple of days.
>

Yes, that's what I did; except there was not insurance support for it.
Instead, I had family and friends around me, and it was a very warm and
loving experience.

clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 06/04/2003 1:10:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
> alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:
>
> <<
> For real. There are two camps.. those who think the change will come on the
> management/sales level and those who think it'll be on the peon level. I'm
> in the latter camp.
>
> >>
>
> I hope things pick up there or that you find a better job.
>
>
second that!
clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > > I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
> > > a man told of families who never paid any income
> > > tax who will get checks for $400.
> >
> > I feel sure that will happen.  The tax laws are a mess, imho, with
> many
> > people rolling in money and paying little or no taxes because of the
> > loopholes.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie
>
> But I am talking about people at the low end of the
> pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
> a dividend.
>
>                    - D. M.
>

Then you would be talking about me, back when I really needed it and was
grateful that the government was there to make it possible for me, a
single parent with temp, low-paying jobs, to buy that winter coat for the
little girl, and to pay that hospital bill (no insurance). You can't
imagine how thrilled I was the first year I had to pay income tax - I was
proud, grateful, and knew that I was making headway at last.

clo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:

>
> The most deeply held opinion seems to be about Tushar.  Maybe I should
> court him and ask him to be my cyber personal tutor - disarm him, so to
> speak.  But then again, he may be the terribly resentful type.

Lynn, don't you believe it. Tushar is a gentleman and a saint, to put up
with all the crap we give him. Just don't compliment him; it won't be
pretty. But if you think <that's> scary, I made the mistake of asking
Rita to be my cybermentor!

>
> We must go out of town tomorrow to consult some sort of
> super-surgeon.

> I just didn't anyone to think I had abandoned the field of battle.

We'll be thinking of you both. Best of luck.
clo

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:09:42 -0500
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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 11:56:51 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> Oh, Karen, btw, I thought of you today re the ambiguous sentence
> thread, and because it was a Lyle Lovett song: "I don't love you any
> less, but I can't love you anymore."

This is a great example--I wonder how I can reframe this into a
business context.

Karen

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > > >
> > > > You mean the same way that mothers in 99 percent of the world have
> > > > birthed chilluns for yea many million years?
> > >
> > > Yup.
> > >
> > > I still think it's cruel.
> >
> > Well, my experience was way different than most, but all the friends I
> > know who were in birthing rooms got to choose between staying 1 day, 2
> > days, and going home as soon as they seemed fit. Far from being cruel,
> it
> > was flexible and responsive.
> > clo
>
> 1-2 days is not cruel.  1-2 hours is cruel.
>
>                      - D. M.
>

1-2 days is cruel for someone with a good support system at home who
really doesn't want to be there. Flexibility and choice is not cruel.
clo

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At 09:49 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > > I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
> > > > a man told of families who never paid any income
> > > > tax who will get checks for $400.
> > >
> > > I feel sure that will happen.  The tax laws are a mess, imho, with
> > many
> > > people rolling in money and paying little or no taxes because of the
> > > loopholes.
> > >
> > > --
> > >  -- Natalie
> >
> > But I am talking about people at the low end of the
> > pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
> > a dividend.
> >
> >                    - D. M.
> >
>
>Then you would be talking about me, back when I really needed it and was
>grateful that the government was there to make it possible for me, a
>single parent with temp, low-paying jobs, to buy that winter coat for the
>little girl, and to pay that hospital bill (no insurance). You can't
>imagine how thrilled I was the first year I had to pay income tax - I was
>proud, grateful, and knew that I was making headway at last.
>
>clo

Doris, do you think those people who were so poor that they didn't have to
pay income taxes should not be allowed?

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> > Sometimes. Sometimes being at home means having access to supportive
> > people, and its better. I like the new flexibility.
> > clo
>
> I still say new mothers need some alone time
> to heal and put things together inside.  Particularly
> first time mothers.  Their life has changed radically
> in a short time, they hurt physically, their emotions
> are raw.  Supportive people can visit them, but it's
> the hours when there is no company that heal.
>
> Except . . now they have put the baby in her room.
>
> The responsibility can't start soon enough.
> And it never ends!
>

I had the baby with me, and loving hands to help me whenever I needed
them. I felt treasured and lucky, and never wished for time alone. I <did>
wish for iron nipples!
clo

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> We thought we would take Terry to Muir Woods, but Armstrong would be fun
> if she wants to go see Myles, too.  So much to cram into one week end.
>
> Betty

It is becoming obvious I will not sleep while in CA.

Terry

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:29:41 PM, steph wrote:
> So I suppose it's good to know that hanging out
> here does have a positive effect on my vocabulary.

In the OLD DAYS, we lived overseas without the Internet and let our
native language deteriorate! The kids these days...

Karen

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:30:32 PM, steph wrote:
= >> I think Steph just likes the sound of it.
> =
> = Of course.
> =
> = K

> Am I SO predictable?

This was more along the lines of 'anyone would'. It's more about the
word than about you.

But you know, this is not the first time you've asked me this
question!

Karen
eating M&Ms for dinner

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 3:42:50 PM, steph wrote:
> Actually, we just planted some of ours, just for the hell of it.
> Garlic greens are tasty too.

Yep. I use them all the time.

Karen

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 3:52:50 PM, steph wrote:
> I think the age limit is 37 here.  As in, once you're over 37 then
> the general risks are high enough that they want you in the
> hospital to give birth.

You also need to look at fertility statistics--your chances of getting
pregnant at 37 are not good.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> Doris, do you think those people who were so poor that they didn't have to
> pay income taxes should not be allowed?

Oh, yeah, great - lure me in, declare that I feel at home, and <then>
take a poll on whether you want me!
clo

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On Wednesday, June 04, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 3:42:50 PM, steph wrote:
>> Actually, we just planted some of ours, just for the hell of it.
>> Garlic greens are tasty too.

> Yep. I use them all the time.

(When i'm really cooking and not eating M&Ms for dinner...)

Karen

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At 10:18 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>We thought we would take Terry to Muir Woods, but Armstrong would be fun
>>if she wants to go see Myles, too.  So much to cram into one week end.
>>
>>Betty
>
>It is becoming obvious I will not sleep while in CA.

You can sleep on the plane!

Betty

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At 09:18 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Karen
>eating M&Ms for dinner

I had leftover home made pizza.

B

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > > PS to Lynn:  Don't be scared of Steph.  She's not nearly as mean as she
> > > sometimes seems on the list.
> >
> > and ditto for Natalie, Ann, Rashmi, Tushar, Betty, Bethany, Richard,
> > Bonnie, Clyde, etc. etc. So they tell me!
>
> I would like to correct this about myself.  I am fully as mean as I seem
> on the list.  It's just that it's nearly impossible for me to be mean to
> somebody's face.  Superficial politeness is some kind of biological
> imperative.  Close friends understand that when I start being rude to
> somebody, that means I'm starting to feel comfortable with them.
>
> Ann
>

Thanks, Ann; I stand corrected.
clo

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At 10:21 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Doris, do you think those people who were so poor that they didn't have to
> > pay income taxes should not be allowed?
>
>Oh, yeah, great - lure me in, declare that I feel at home, and <then>
>take a poll on whether you want me!
>clo

LOL.  Allowed the money.  You're a keeper.

Betty

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-04 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > 02003-06-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > > Lynn Weber wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >   Is this better?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> > > > non-essential.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about this rude remark! Natalie just likes to be mean
> > > to people she is really quite neutral about. Whatever you do, don't
> > > go! We will kick Natalie out!
> >
> >
> > And if you're wondering why this polite phrase is being recast as rude,
> > relax. it's the wordsler way. Since email has no tone of voice, you can
> > read it any way you want, and there's always someone who will!
>
> I have to say, I have seen shitty attitude in my life but this
> is by far the shittiest.
>
> Get help ...
>

OK. Will  you come here, Tushar, or do I need to go to Chicago to get that
"help"?

And will it be administered in a bar?

clo

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:32:31 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 09:18 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Karen
>>eating M&Ms for dinner

> I had leftover home made pizza.

YOU ARE SO MEAN!

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 04, 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 3:42:50 PM, steph wrote:
> >> Actually, we just planted some of ours, just for the hell of it.
> >> Garlic greens are tasty too.
>
> > Yep. I use them all the time.
>
> (When i'm really cooking and not eating M&Ms for dinner...)
>
> Karen

Thanks for clarifying that - my stomach was starting to respond
to the image.

btw, I actually cooked a meal today. Baked banana bread and
apple crisp to use up leftover fruit from camp, made meatballs,
salad, fresh beets (for lunch) and beet greens (for supper), and
spaghetti with homemade sauce (but the quick kind).

Oh, and I also taught my 3-month old niece to say /h/ and to
blow her nose, and to fake a cough. Can't wait to see my
bil's response!

clo

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:33:03 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> btw, I actually cooked a meal today. Baked banana bread and
> apple crisp to use up leftover fruit from camp, made meatballs,
> salad, fresh beets (for lunch) and beet greens (for supper), and
> spaghetti with homemade sauce (but the quick kind).

> Oh, and I also taught my 3-month old niece to say /h/ and to
> blow her nose, and to fake a cough. Can't wait to see my
> bil's response!

A productive day.:)

I decided that I need to rip out the foot of my current socks so I can
change the pattern. They will be really kewl when I'm finished.

I always think of you when I go to Monday Night Knitting.

Karen

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At 09:31 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:32:31 PM, Betty wrote:
> > At 09:18 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Karen
> >>eating M&Ms for dinner
>
> > I had leftover home made pizza.
>
>YOU ARE SO MEAN!

I'd like some M&Ms now.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:46:34 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 09:31 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:32:31 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > At 09:18 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>Karen
>> >>eating M&Ms for dinner
>>
>> > I had leftover home made pizza.
>>
>>YOU ARE SO MEAN!

> I'd like some M&Ms now.

I'll trade you for some pizza.

Karen

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> > But I am talking about people at the low end of the
> > pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
> > a dividend.
> >
> >                    - D. M.
> >
>
> Then you would be talking about me, back when I really needed it and
was
> grateful that the government was there to make it possible for me, a
> single parent with temp, low-paying jobs, to buy that winter coat for
the
> little girl, and to pay that hospital bill (no insurance). You can't
> imagine how thrilled I was the first year I had to pay income tax - I
was
> proud, grateful, and knew that I was making headway at last.
>
> clo

That is fine and I am not complaining about that.
But if it is true that people draw a refund who did not
pay taxes, then I think it is rather rotten that politicians
put out all this talk about how they are being left out
and only the rich get refunds, etc.

                 - D. M.

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> >
>
> 1-2 days is cruel for someone with a good support system at home who
> really doesn't want to be there. Flexibility and choice is not cruel.
> clo

I don't think anyone has ever been forced to stay
in a hospital.  They are eager to get rid of you.
There are only about two categories of people who
even get into a hospital these days.

                 - D. M.

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> > >
> >
> >Then you would be talking about me, back when I really needed it and
was
> >grateful that the government was there to make it possible for me, a
> >single parent with temp, low-paying jobs, to buy that winter coat for
the
> >little girl, and to pay that hospital bill (no insurance). You can't
> >imagine how thrilled I was the first year I had to pay income tax - I
was
> >proud, grateful, and knew that I was making headway at last.
> >
> >clo
>
> Doris, do you think those people who were so poor that they didn't
have to
> pay income taxes should not be allowed?

Should not be allowed to what?

I question hyping up low income people by
suggesting they are being ignored by our laws
and left out of tax refunds . . when they are
getting a refund on taxes they never paid.
This does not apply probably to many people,
but it does apply to some, and the press from
such accusations is sick.

                 - D. M.

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> You can sleep on the plane!
>
> Betty

I had better, both ways!

Terry

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At 09:42 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:46:34 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 09:31 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:32:31 PM, Betty wrote:
> >> > At 09:18 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >>Karen
> >> >>eating M&Ms for dinner
> >>
> >> > I had leftover home made pizza.
> >>
> >>YOU ARE SO MEAN!
>
> > I'd like some M&Ms now.
>
>I'll trade you for some pizza.



Gone.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > But I am talking about people at the low end of the
> > > pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
> > > a dividend.
> > >
> > >                    - D. M.
> > >
> >
> *snip my commentary*
> >
> > clo
>
> That is fine and I am not complaining about that.
> But if it is true that people draw a refund who did not
> pay taxes, then I think it is rather rotten that politicians
> put out all this talk about how they are being left out
> and only the rich get refunds, etc.
>
>                  - D. M.

That's my point about getting sidetracked. The politicians,
and those of us who are concerned about the impact, are
pointing out, between the few of us who are so poor they
pay nothing at all <out of poverty>, and the few of us who
are so poor they pay little or nothing comparatively <out
of stinking rich privilege>, there are a) the many of us who
are not getting much benefit from the tax cuts while bearing
the brunt of the tax burden, and b) the also substantial
group (and this is the real point) who work hard for low
pay, yet pay taxes they <really really> can't afford, and
who lost out when this credit was dropped in favor of an
additional bonus for the very rich.

Did I get it right, Natalie?

ps, hope the evening went well.
clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > >
> >
> > 1-2 days is cruel for someone with a good support system at home who
> > really doesn't want to be there. Flexibility and choice is not cruel.
> > clo
>
> I don't think anyone has ever been forced to stay
> in a hospital.  They are eager to get rid of you.
> There are only about two categories of people who
> even get into a hospital these days.
>
>                  - D. M.

Well, you would be wrong about <ever>. Many women who
wanted to get home sooner were told all kinds of shit about
hurting the baby and signing out against medical advice back
when the stay was typically longer - in your time, and even in
mine.
clo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > > >
> > >
> > >Then you would be talking about me, back when I really needed it and
> was
> > >grateful that the government was there to make it possible for me, a
> > >single parent with temp, low-paying jobs, to buy that winter coat for
> the
> > >little girl, and to pay that hospital bill (no insurance). You can't
> > >imagine how thrilled I was the first year I had to pay income tax - I
> was
> > >proud, grateful, and knew that I was making headway at last.
> > >
> > >clo
> >
> > Doris, do you think those people who were so poor that they didn't
> have to
> > pay income taxes should not be allowed?
>
> Should not be allowed to what?
>
> I question hyping up low income people by
> suggesting they are being ignored by our laws
> and left out of tax refunds . . when they are
> getting a refund on taxes they never paid.
> This does not apply probably to many people,
> but it does apply to some, and the press from
> such accusations is sick.
>
>                  - D. M.

Your claim that it happens is the first time it has happened in
my experience. I believe you are confusing the complaint
that low income <taxpayers> are being squeezed by our laws
and disproportionately excluded from tax cuts,

with the fact
that there are a different group of very very low income
heads of household who receive the EIC in excess of the
tax they pay.

EIC-only people are not held up by supporters of
progressive taxation as the poster children of bad tax
decision pain; and it seems to me that supporters of
regressive taxation (don't tax the rich) who claim that
they are must know better and be deliberately
muddying the waters.

clo

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At 11:24 AM -0700 6/4/03, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>What's the name of the redwood park?forest? that we
>visited after wordquake (is that the right name for
>Berkeleyfest?) sheesh, I can't remember anything today.

Muir Woods.  (It's a National Monument.)

<http://www.nps.gov/muwo/>

Ken Miller
Department of Consecrated Temples

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:33:03 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> I decided that I need to rip out the foot of my current socks so I can
> change the pattern. They will be really kewl when I'm finished.
>
> I always think of you when I go to Monday Night Knitting.
>
What fun! Is the pattern visual (colors) or textural?
clo

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Ever notice how the can openers they give you at the paint store have a
vestigial bottle opener on the opposite end? Besides giving you extra
leverage in opening a paint can, they seem to have little use. I have a
vague recollection that turpentine used to come in a cone-top can with a
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opener? Just curious.

Personally, I do find them useful for opening beer bottles while painting.

Jeff

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> Ever notice how the can openers they give you at the paint store have a
> vestigial bottle opener on the opposite end? Besides giving you extra
> leverage in opening a paint can, they seem to have little use. I have a
> vague recollection that turpentine used to come in a cone-top can with a
> bottle cap on top. Could this have been the original purpose for the bottle
> opener? Just curious.
>
> Personally, I do find them useful for opening beer bottles while painting.
>
> Jeff

What could you have left to paint in that beautiful house?
How are you doing? I was coincidentally thinking about you today.
Do you have any firmer plans for your Mom's memorial service?
clo

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Doris:

>But I am talking about people at the low end of the
>pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
>a dividend.

My favorite example of this unfairness is the billions of $$
that farmers and agribusinesses receive as govt subsidy
so much so that farm states receive far more federal money
than their share of taxes. Both parties are afraid of
upsetting the powerful farm lobby and this largesse is
likely to continue.

-rashmi

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>Nope. This was near where Maureen lives. Beautiful gorgeous
>trees and great atmosphere. Betty or Larry will know.
>
>-rashmi

I was absolutely certain that that was part of Muir Woods, but a little
googling proves that my memory was in error.  This was actually Armstrong
Redwoods State Reserve.

<http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=450>

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At 11:24 AM -0700 6/4/03, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >What's the name of the redwood park?forest? that we
> >visited after wordquake (is that the right name for
> >Berkeleyfest?) sheesh, I can't remember anything today.
>
>Muir Woods.  (It's a National Monument.)

Nah, I was looking for the one near Guerneville that John
mentioned. The one where we walked and looked around.
Muir Woods was so crowded we couldn't find parking spots
and never left the car IIRC.

-rashmi

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Boo:

>I was absolutely certain that that was part of Muir Woods, but a little
>googling proves that my memory was in error.  This was actually Armstrong
>Redwoods State Reserve.

><http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=450>

Yeo, that's it. Thanks.

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>What could you have left to paint in that beautiful house?
>How are you doing? I was coincidentally thinking about you today.
>Do you have any firmer plans for your Mom's memorial service?
>clo

The painting will never end!

I'm doing well, but incredibly busy, getting ready for Alumni Weekend at
the college starting Friday. I've got to give a couple of speeches, take a
lot of pictures and videos, etc. Doug arrived here Sunday night, having
driven Alyce's Blazer cross country, laden with a bunch of carefully packed
boxes. Among the contents were a beautiful Handel lamp, a couple of busts
and an oriental rug, all nicely ensconced in my house now. He made a lot of
progress cleaning out her house during his two weeks there and will be
going back with a student of his at the end of June to load up the largest
Ryder van you can rent. No set date yet on the memorial service, but we're
leaning toward later July, as he has a play earlier in the month, and
Alyce's sister will be just returning from Wales.

Thanks for thinking of us, and I'll try to be a little more visible on the
list in the future.

Jeff

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> >What could you have left to paint in that beautiful house?
>
> The painting will never end!

Mmph, I am learning that now - the driveway side of the house
seems to be the one that gets the most sun, and the porch
railing is in sad need of attention.

> I'm doing well, but incredibly busy, getting ready for Alumni Weekend at
> the college starting Friday. I've got to give a couple of speeches, take a
> lot of pictures and videos, etc.

Wow. fun for you. It's our Alumni Weekend as well, apparently,
but I have to drive to Alexandria VA, to sit through non-profit
board training.

> Doug arrived here Sunday night, having
> driven Alyce's Blazer cross country, laden with a bunch of carefully packed
> boxes. Among the contents were a beautiful Handel lamp, a couple of busts
> and an oriental rug, all nicely ensconced in my house now. He made a lot of
> progress cleaning out her house during his two weeks there and will be
> going back with a student of his at the end of June to load up the largest
> Ryder van you can rent.

I'll be in Seattle at the end of June, or I would offer to come
over and help as well. It's always a chore to pack and move,
and moreso when there is so much emotion involved.

> No set date yet on the memorial service, but we're
> leaning toward later July, as he has a play earlier in the month, and
> Alyce's sister will be just returning from Wales.

What play?

clo

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> Doris:
>
> >But I am talking about people at the low end of the
> >pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
> >a dividend.
>
> My favorite example of this unfairness is the billions of $$
> that farmers and agribusinesses receive as govt subsidy
> so much so that farm states receive far more federal money
> than their share of taxes. Both parties are afraid of
> upsetting the powerful farm lobby and this largesse is
> likely to continue.
>
> -rashmi

I don't know enough to speak on this
subject, but it is especially strange that the
government continues to support tobacco.

Anyway, in this household we have paid heavy taxes
all our lives, have never received a tax refund
and do not receive farm support money.

                 - D. M.

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At 2:21 PM -0700 6/4/03, Betty Clark wrote:
>Lots of closed door meetings here,
>too. No one seems able to make a decision.

And that would differ from times of economic normalcy...exactly how?

(Assuming that your educational institution is anything like the
educational institution I am most familiar with.)

Ken Miller
Waffle & Dither School of Institutional Studies

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>
> > No set date yet on the memorial service, but we're
> > leaning toward later July, as he has a play earlier in the month, and
> > Alyce's sister will be just returning from Wales.
>
>What play?
>
>clo


Not sure. He designs sets for a local theater, but don't know what this
particular show is.

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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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Subject: Re: Beagles songs
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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:30:32 PM, steph wrote:
= = >> I think Steph just likes the sound of it.
= > =
= > = Of course.
= > =
= > = K
=
= > Am I SO predictable?
=
= This was more along the lines of 'anyone would'. It's more about the
= word than about you.
=

check.

= But you know, this is not the first time you've asked me this
= question!
=

That's ok, it was rhetorical.

= Karen
= eating M&Ms for dinner

I hope that was out of pleasure and not necessity.

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I seek culinary advice.

We're having Gwynnie's 6th birthday party Sunday, 2pm - 5pm, and Johanne's
wondering about what kinds of food to have for the kids and parents to
snack on while at the party.  It has to be not too sweet and unhealthy, and
not something that will grow bacteria and give people food
poisoning.  We'll have coolers for juice and things like yogurt, though.

Any suggestions?  What do y'all think of bagels and spreads (perhaps
including peanut butter or jelly for the kids)?

Pete

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:
>
>
>>The most deeply held opinion seems to be about Tushar.  Maybe I should
>>court him and ask him to be my cyber personal tutor - disarm him, so to
>>speak.  But then again, he may be the terribly resentful type.
>>
>
> Lynn, don't you believe it. Tushar is a gentleman and a saint, to put up
> with all the crap we give him. Just don't compliment him; it won't be
> pretty. But if you think <that's> scary, I made the mistake of asking
> Rita to be my cybermentor!


        You did not.

        And everybody knows I'm as sweet as pie.






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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> Ever notice how the can openers they give you at the paint store have a
> vestigial bottle opener on the opposite end? Besides giving you extra
> leverage in opening a paint can, they seem to have little use. I have a
> vague recollection that turpentine used to come in a cone-top can with a
> bottle cap on top. Could this have been the original purpose for the bottle
> opener? Just curious.
>
> Personally, I do find them useful for opening beer bottles while painting.


        Jeez.  That's what I thought they were for.

        And it makes it easier to hang them on a hook.




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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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Karen Kay:
= Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:29:41 PM, steph wrote:
= > So I suppose it's good to know that hanging out
= > here does have a positive effect on my vocabulary.
=
= In the OLD DAYS, we lived overseas without the Internet and let our
= native language deteriorate! The kids these days...
=
= Karen

and you don't think it isn't?

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I just e-mailed this recipe to last night's guests, as promised.  Since
I've got it sitting here, I'll send it to y'all also.  I would give
credit to its originator except there's no name on it -- it's torn from
some publication.  Anyway, it was highly praised last night.

> Cold Dill Soup
>
> 1 pint half-and-half
> 16 ounces plain yogurt
> 2 cucumbers, peeled, seeded, and diced
> 3 TBS minced fresh dillweed or 1 TBS dried whole dillweed
> 2 TBS lemon juice
> 1 TBS chopped green onions
> 1/2 tsp salt
> 1/8 to 1/4 tsp white pepper
> sliced cucumber (optional)
> sprigs of fresh dillweed (optional)
>
> Combine first 8 ingredients, stirring well; chill thoroughly.  Stir
> well; garnish with sliced cucumber and dill sprigs, if desired.
>
> **************
> In typing that I noticed that second "stir well" -- after chilling.  I
> don't think I did that, although I guess I sort of did a little bit when
> getting it into the bowls.
>
> I didn't do either of the two optional things above -- just stuck with
> the basic eight ingredients -- and used dry dillweed from an old jar.
****************

Re The Dish, it was ok, although I don't think I'll do it again.  Way
too much chaos involved in trying to get the pasta and the rest of it to
end up ready at the same time.  I thought the pasta water was on the
verge of boiling, but then it took another ten or fifteen minutes for it
to boil.  (I wish my stove had two big eyes instead of just one.  Needed
the big eye for the skillet, so had to do the large pot of pasta on a
little eye.)

Re big and little, I made *WAY* too much of The Dish.  It could easily
have fed 10-12 people.  Going with more shrimp than the recipe says
might have been ok, but not twice as much, but a pound of pasta was
absurdly too much.  I would recommend for four or five people to go with
the recipe that's in the list cookbook -- a pound of shrimp, 2 cups of
pasta -- unless you're feeding hungry teenaged boys.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I seek culinary advice.
>
> We're having Gwynnie's 6th birthday party Sunday, 2pm - 5pm, and Johanne's
> wondering about what kinds of food to have for the kids and parents to
> snack on while at the party.  It has to be not too sweet and unhealthy, and
> not something that will grow bacteria and give people food
> poisoning.  We'll have coolers for juice and things like yogurt, though.
>
> Any suggestions?  What do y'all think of bagels and spreads (perhaps
> including peanut butter or jelly for the kids)?
>
> Pete

The thing my kids always loved in situations like that was cut up fruit and "ants on a
log" - celery sticks filled with peanut butter and dotted with raisins.  These day you
have to be careful about anything peanutty because of allergies.


BrP

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It sounds nice.  I have also done a similar cold soup made with cooked and chilled
beets blended into the mix in lieu of the cukes.

BrP



> I just e-mailed this recipe to last night's guests, as promised.  Since
> I've got it sitting here, I'll send it to y'all also.  I would give
> credit to its originator except there's no name on it -- it's torn from
> some publication.  Anyway, it was highly praised last night.
>
> > Cold Dill Soup
> >
> > 1 pint half-and-half
> > 16 ounces plain yogurt
> > 2 cucumbers, peeled, seeded, and diced
> > 3 TBS minced fresh dillweed or 1 TBS dried whole dillweed
> > 2 TBS lemon juice
> > 1 TBS chopped green onions
> > 1/2 tsp salt
> > 1/8 to 1/4 tsp white pepper
> > sliced cucumber (optional)
> > sprigs of fresh dillweed (optional)
> >
> > Combine first 8 ingredients, stirring well; chill thoroughly.  Stir
> > well; garnish with sliced cucumber and dill sprigs, if desired.
> >
> > **************
> > In typing that I noticed that second "stir well" -- after chilling.  I
> > don't think I did that, although I guess I sort of did a little bit when
> > getting it into the bowls.
> >
> > I didn't do either of the two optional things above -- just stuck with
> > the basic eight ingredients -- and used dry dillweed from an old jar.
> ****************
>
> Re The Dish, it was ok, although I don't think I'll do it again.  Way
> too much chaos involved in trying to get the pasta and the rest of it to
> end up ready at the same time.  I thought the pasta water was on the
> verge of boiling, but then it took another ten or fifteen minutes for it
> to boil.  (I wish my stove had two big eyes instead of just one.  Needed
> the big eye for the skillet, so had to do the large pot of pasta on a
> little eye.)
>
> Re big and little, I made *WAY* too much of The Dish.  It could easily
> have fed 10-12 people.  Going with more shrimp than the recipe says
> might have been ok, but not twice as much, but a pound of pasta was
> absurdly too much.  I would recommend for four or five people to go with
> the recipe that's in the list cookbook -- a pound of shrimp, 2 cups of
> pasta -- unless you're feeding hungry teenaged boys.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Lynn Weber wrote:

> Yes.  But many of us prefer top-quoting and editing out everything
> non-essential.

> Is this what you mean?  I didn't delete anything you posted.  How do I do that?
> The penny finally dropped.

Yes.  That's top-quoting.  The two things to make it better depend on
your mail-program: (1) making what I wrote above look different from
what you wrote -- i.e., using a system like >> and >.  Netscape Mail
4.7, which is what I use, will do that automatically -- because I told
it to somewhere in the settings.  It uses single >'s for all of the
above because your posting didn't have mine as >.  If yours had had mine
as >, then this reply would add another >, making mine >>.  There are
other symbols that can be used, of course, not just >.  (2) Deleting
superfluous stuff, which also depends on your mail program.  When your
program sucks in what you're responding to, can't you just go through it
deleting with something like blocking and hitting delete?  That's how
many mail programs work.

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Dan Lester wrote:
> >> The people who aren't getting the 400 per kid didn't pay any taxes
> >> anyway.
>
> NM> Wrongo.  I don't have time to grab cites for you right now.  Am trying
> NM> to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various other
> NM> things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.
>
> I'm waiting.

Surely somebody has given the figures by now.  If not, I will look them
up.  The original idea (or an early version) was, I think, for the
people who pay no taxes at all to be excluded.  But then at the last
minute it was expanded to include (as in to exclude from the $400)
another large chunk of people, moving it up to well within what is
called "middle class" economically speaking.  That's the figure I don't
have in my head but can find.

I assume it's clear that I'm not promoting this tax cut for *anybody*.
Iow, I think the whole tax-cut thing is insane.

> NM> Many of the people involved make much more than 15000.
>
> I believe the people involved are all making less than 18,000.  But
> I'll wait for your cites from neutral sources.

No, it's much higher than 18,000 -- high 20s, I think.  As for "neutral
sources," I'm not sure what you find acceptable.  Certainly the US media
are full of biases of various kinds, and this is mainly a US news item.
But I don't think people would be able to make up the basic figures
we're talking about here since the tax bill was a <fact>.  I guess there
are gov't sources that list its details.

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Dan Lester wrote:

> cMSE> Cite please!
> cMSE> Lying in wayyy preceded "pg" or even "in that way".
> cMSE> It's more of a contemporary with "expecting an interesting event", and "in
> cMSE> a delicate state".
>
> Oh, I wasn't trying to cite any precedence, sequence, coincidence, or
> anything of that sort.  Just that it was an ancient term and had a
> meaning that many don't now know, but that it turned out Cobpony did.

I found this whole thread kind of weird.  I didn't assume, e.g., that
your posting was suggesting a sequence in terminology.  But then I found
your posting odd because I thought "lying in" was well known as the old
term and that Cobpony, along with the rest of us, knew that's why the
hospital was named that.

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The soup sounds wonderful and I may just try it this weekend.  In
defense of others' pasta recommendations I must say the I almost always
cook a pound of pasta even if it is only for Ray and me.  There are
leftovers then but if we have two guests for dinner, there is usually
not even enough to warrant putting away.  Maybe your other offerings
were just "too good" :-)

Also, all this culinary advice from Adam keeps making me have a
flashback to a dinner at lovejudith's house years ago.  I happened to
wander into the kitchen where Adam was standing over a huge pot of
steaming broccoli, looking stricken.  He turned and asked "how do I know
when it is done?".  Apparently he has come a LONG way :-)

Rita L. (not a hungry teenaged boy)

Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Re big and little, I made *WAY* too much of The Dish.  It could easily
>have fed 10-12 people.  Going with more shrimp than the recipe says
>might have been ok, but not twice as much, but a pound of pasta was
>absurdly too much.  I would recommend for four or five people to go with
>the recipe that's in the list cookbook -- a pound of shrimp, 2 cups of
>pasta -- unless you're feeding hungry teenaged boys.
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/
>
>

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> I would like to correct this about myself.  I am fully as mean as I seem
> on the list.  It's just that it's nearly impossible for me to be mean to
> somebody's face.

So this explains why AnnBork is quiet and subdued ftf.  She's
concentrating on holding in the meanness.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> But I -do- ask her to bear in mind that Natalie does not
> speak for the list!

Why would I be thought to speak for the list?

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Sounds like a great trip Dan. I hope you and Gail enjoy it!

lisa

At 09:22 AM 6/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>6/4/2003, 9:09 AM, steph wrote:
>
>s> Dan Lester:
>s> = Who is in that crowd?  People who've been to Europe.
>s> =
>
>s> When, where?
>
>A colleague and I have been invited to speak at IFLA (Intl. Federation
>of Library Assns) in Berlin in early August.  We felt complimented, of
>course, but figured it would never happen.  Well, we told the boss
>about it, he was very pleased and impressed, and talked to the
>Provost, and they somehow came up with enough money to do it.  We're
>getting part of the cost covered, enough that we can float the
>rest of it.  So we leave for Berlin on the first of August (Dan and
>Gail, Peggy and Kelly).  In Berlin all week, and then we go separate
>ways.  Peggy and her guy Kelly are going to Switzerland for a few
>days, including some big ass horse show about a mile from the French
>border.
>
>On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure). On
>the night we board the Golden Princess to go to Monaco, Florence,
>Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul, ending in Venice.  We stay there
>two more days and then fly home on the 23rd.  Cruise is 12 days, and
>is pretty gogo with doing the once-over-lightly in the various ports.
>But hey, for European virgins.....
>
>dan, listening to Courtesy of the Red White and Blue, followed by Beer for
>My Horses, to be followed by Copperhead Road and then Texas Eagle and
>then Devil's Right Hand.....etc.....(with over 13K of MP3s on here,
>I've got LOTS of choices)
>
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Doris Markland wrote:
> > > I heard a discussion this week on radio in which
> > > a man told of families who never paid any income
> > > tax who will get checks for $400.
> >
> > I feel sure that will happen.  The tax laws are a mess, imho, with
> many
> > people rolling in money and paying little or no taxes because of the
> > loopholes.
>
> But I am talking about people at the low end of the
> pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
> a dividend.

Would that be worse than for people at the high end of the pay scale who
reaped a dividend without paying taxes?  The point, however, is that the
people at the low end of the pay scale won't be getting this $400 since
they are excluded from it.

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> You are going to be unhappy at our house.  The color of the t-shirt is the
> color of our house siding.

She can stay inside so as not to be offended.

>  Plus we have deck flower boxes filled with
> geraniums, which you find stinky.

I've been meaning to mention geraniums.  I've planted some again this
year but have now vowed never to do it again.  For some reason I just
can't do geraniums.  They're never pretty (mine, I mean -- I've seen
pretty ones elsewhere).  Large clumps of what are supposed to be pretty
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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >For the record, Judith's exact wording is:
> >
> >"Quite a lot of grated Italian cheese (Romano and/or Parmesan)."
>
> Granted, but a cup of cheese makes it a deep-dish pizza, sans crust.

I think I ended up using about 7 ounces or so.  Was in a tizzy then,
trying to finish everything, and didn't want to take time to fool with
more of the cheese, especially since I didn't know when I was supposed
to inject it into The Dish.  I finally decided to do it right near the
end.  It (the cheese) turned into slimy strings.  Not very appealing,
imho.

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> Natalie, party-organizer to the stars:
> >Richard would be a close second closest.
>
> Well, you didn't mention the booze menu
> until it was far too late for me to hop
> on the bike and make it to S'patch.

We *did* consume the champagne, btw.  When I mentioned it, one of the
group said she'd love some since it was her 37th wedding anniversary.
(Her husband is in Japan.)  So we opened the champagne and toasted her
wedding anniversary, then toasted Japan, then consumed it all, toasting
nothing in particular.  That was followed by other white wine -- can't
remember what now -- nothing fancy -- I think maybe it was Jacob's Creek
chardonnay.

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human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> Natalie, the reluctant poo-veiner:
> >Ugh.  I bet those shrimp are headed.
>
> Without heads, how do you make stock?

I don't know, but I'm leaning against fooling with shrimp again.  Too
nasty, especially now that I know about the intestines.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> After the pasta is done and drained and the fire is off. The heat from the
> pasta melts the cheese.

Oh.  I put it into the skillet with the shrimp at the same time I put
the parsley in.  I can't believe I didn't notice until the last minute
that the recipe didn't mention the when of the cheese.  I noticed it
after the guests had arrived, when I was looking at the little list I'd
made beside the recipe since I knew that would be easier to look at
without leaving anything out -- a list of steps, listing the spices etc,
and ending with adding the cooked pasta to the skillet.  Suddenly I
realized that the cheese was nowhere on that list I'd made.  You'd think
I would've thought about it when making the list.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> I second the fun, and the <ugh> for headed shrimp.

I sang "Shrimp Boats Are A-Coming" while I was peeling the shrimp
yesterday.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> That is fine and I am not complaining about that.
> But if it is true that people draw a refund who did not
> pay taxes, then I think it is rather rotten that politicians
> put out all this talk about how they are being left out
> and only the rich get refunds, etc.

I think we're talking about different things.  What I was talking about
was the recent tax-cut (recently signed, that is), with the $400 child
credit that excludes many hard-working tax-payers.

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> That's my point about getting sidetracked. The politicians,
> and those of us who are concerned about the impact, are
> pointing out, between the few of us who are so poor they
> pay nothing at all <out of poverty>, and the few of us who
> are so poor they pay little or nothing comparatively <out
> of stinking rich privilege>, there are a) the many of us who
> are not getting much benefit from the tax cuts while bearing
> the brunt of the tax burden, and b) the also substantial
> group (and this is the real point) who work hard for low
> pay, yet pay taxes they <really really> can't afford, and
> who lost out when this credit was dropped in favor of an
> additional bonus for the very rich.
>
> Did I get it right, Natalie?

Yes.

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>I was born at Lying In Hospital (dreadful name) and spent the first four years on Walnut Lane in Germantown.  Then we moved to Plymouth Township.  I went to Plymouth Whitemarsh H.S.  Have you heard of it?  Left PA at the age of 18, and have lived in AL ever since.  That's long story for another time.

I'm from Germantown, too (Woodlawn Ave) and had cousins living on Walnut Lane.

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> Personally, I do find them useful for opening beer bottles while painting.

Welcome back, Jeff!

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Muir Woods was so crowded we couldn't find parking spots
> and never left the car IIRC.

Right.  I kept thinking Muir Woods sounded familiar.  That's why.  We
started to go there but ended up going to the other one.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Any suggestions?  What do y'all think of bagels and spreads (perhaps
> including peanut butter or jelly for the kids)?

Do children like bagels?

Meanwhile, I've been meaning to tell you, Pete, to tell Johanne that I
always think of her when loosening or tightening things -- as in
figuring out which way to turn the screwdriver or wrench or whatever.
That's because she's the one who said she always thinks "lefty-loosie."

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6/4/2003, 1:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> And the shrimp peelings, old sprouted garlic, and assorted other stinky
NM> garbage are in the campus dumpster behind the p.o., where the stink
NM> won't offend anybody except maybe very briefly while walking by it.
NM> Nobody is in that area for extended periods of time.  Started to keep
NM> the garbage since tomorrow is garbage day but needed to go to the p.o.
NM> anyway.

Isn't this a violation of rules, if not law?  Your garbage can isn't
tight enough, or far enough from your guests, to be effective?

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6/4/2003, 2:32 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> I am in constant amazement as I see what young
DM> mothers accomplish these days.  They work fulltime,
DM> keep up their own house,

I understand that.  My mother had six of us, was a widow, and taught
full time.  We certainly helped around the house, as we should have.

DM> pile all the kids in the
DM> <van>, get them to the sitters, to baseball, to
DM> music and dance lessons, to doctors and dentists,

However, we did those things ourselves.  We got to our own games,
lessons, and so forth.  We were certainly capable of doing it
ourselves, as are the kids today if they weren't so damn spoiled from
being carted all over in the damn van.

DM> they take care of their lawns and beautiful flowers,
DM> and often do community work as well.

Our yard wasn't much.  We kids kept it watered and the grass mowed,
though.  Mom did, and does, church work, but didn't do as much when we
were young as in later years.

DM> I don't know how they do it.

Me either.  But then I'm looking forward to retirement in five or six
years. But they'd find it easier if they let the kids do more of their
own stuff.  We have some great next door neighbors and their kids get
taken a few places, but the kids get themselves to school, to church
events, to athletics, to music lessons, and so forth, unlike so many
others.  Sure, they could cart them all over, but they don't, which I
think is good for both the parents and the kids.

dan

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6/4/2003, 2:36 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

>> I feel sure that will happen.  The tax laws are a mess, imho, with
DM> many
>> people rolling in money and paying little or no taxes because of the
>> loopholes.

DM> But I am talking about people at the low end of the
DM> pay scale who didn't have to pay taxes but reap
DM> a dividend.

As am I.  I love my stepson and grandkids, but there is no reason for
them to get another bonus.  They're doing OK, and will continue to do
so.

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6/4/2003, 2:58 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

RC>         LOL.  Yeah, peace and quiet.  I get *so* much of that.

  Understand that.  But, you're a hell of a lot better off than a
  Missouri woman of 1870 or 1820 aren't you?

  dan

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I seek culinary advice.
>
> We're having Gwynnie's 6th birthday party Sunday, 2pm - 5pm, and Johanne's
> wondering about what kinds of food to have for the kids and parents to
> snack on while at the party.  It has to be not too sweet and unhealthy, and
> not something that will grow bacteria and give people food
> poisoning.  We'll have coolers for juice and things like yogurt, though.
>
> Any suggestions?  What do y'all think of bagels and spreads (perhaps
> including peanut butter or jelly for the kids)?
>
> Pete

I would not do bagels for 6 yr olds - many have loose teeth, and
bagels are tough to chew. Bread of different kinds cut in interesting
shapes (triangles and squares) would be a lot of fun, or sandwiches
on crackers (eg Ritz or Saltine) would be fun - inventive kids will
pick up on the notion of trying cream cheese and jelly, pb&j, etc.,
and picky eaters can stick with what they trust.

Lots of kids now know about dipping raw veggies and things
like chicken fingers in a variety of dips - this can also get creative.
Be sure to have ranch, italian, and honey mustard, as well as
ketchup. If you are really cool with kid mess and can supply paper
bibs, you could let them "paint" paper placemats with the dip as
well as eat  their "paintbrushes".

Cheese can stand heat, and individually wrapped "string cheese"
is a big hit with the under-10 crowd. Many kids are perfectly
happy eating cold mac-n-cheese, and cold spaghetti "salad"
(hey, it's a pasta salad with a tomato-based dressing, think
about it) is also tasty - though messy again. Come to think
of it, our kids' favorite breakfast (after apple pie), cold pizza,
travels well and is usually a hit - just be sure to have plain
cheese *and* pepperoni-topped (the two most likely favorites).
Some kids are cool with veggie pizza toppings, but many are
not - it violates some kind of flavor-mixing limit.

Hope this helps.
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The most deeply held opinion seems to be about Tushar.  Maybe I should
> >>court him and ask him to be my cyber personal tutor - disarm him, so to
> >>speak.  But then again, he may be the terribly resentful type.
> >>
> >
> > Lynn, don't you believe it. Tushar is a gentleman and a saint, to put up
> > with all the crap we give him. Just don't compliment him; it won't be
> > pretty. But if you think <that's> scary, I made the mistake of asking
> > Rita to be my cybermentor!
>
>         You did not.
>
>         And everybody knows I'm as sweet as pie.

I distinctly remember asking to sit at your feet and learn cybermanners;
but your "fuck off" was very sweetly delivered!
clo

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I say cupcakes, mini-muffins, mini-pizzas or mini-bagels topped with cheese
and
tomato sauce and zapped for a few mins, baby carrots, pigs in blankets ...
hmm
I sense a "small" food theme here.

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> I say cupcakes, mini-muffins, mini-pizzas or mini-bagels topped with
> cheese and
> tomato sauce and zapped for a few mins, baby carrots, pigs in blankets
> ... hmm
> I sense a "small" food theme here.

I agree; I was going to post that regular bagels are way too big for small
kids to eat under party circumstances.

Karen

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/4/2003, 2:32 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> DM> pile all the kids in the
> DM> <van>, get them to the sitters, to baseball, to
> DM> music and dance lessons, to doctors and dentists,
>
> However, we did those things ourselves.  We got to our own games,
> lessons, and so forth.  We were certainly capable of doing it
> ourselves, as are the kids today if they weren't so damn spoiled from
> being carted all over in the damn van.
>
> DM> I don't know how they do it.
>
> Me either.  But then I'm looking forward to retirement in five or six
> years. But they'd find it easier if they let the kids do more of their
> own stuff.  We have some great next door neighbors and their kids get
> taken a few places, but the kids get themselves to school, to church
> events, to athletics, to music lessons, and so forth, unlike so many
> others.  Sure, they could cart them all over, but they don't, which I
> think is good for both the parents and the kids.

Dan,
I suspect you don't appreciate a) the distances often involved,
b) the lack of available public transportation in many areas,
c) the expectation in current parenting circles that kids whose
parents don't come to games are more likely to do drugs, etc.,
d) the emphasis on child kidnappings in parenting culture now,
e) the fact that kids are expected to partake of all these
organized events, and that is their primary opportunity to
spend time with friends (almost always structured and
scheduled), so that the kid who doesn't do the little league
away games, etc, is often ostracized,
f) the fact that, given competing work schedules and event
schedules, the transportation to and from games may be all
the time you get for "quality" time with your kid (i.e., the time
when the kid knows he/she has your attention and shares
with you about the A in spelling or the kid who's tripping him/
her on the bus).
and g) the fact that parents are reluctant to invite kids to their
homes unless they know them and their parents, at least
superficially, and this is the back-fence over which those
important relationships are built (eg carpooling).

It ain't all about the kids these days being lazy.
clo

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Please add one L and one XL to the list and remind me about when/where I
have to send some moula? moola? mula?, eh you get the point.

lisa

At 04:13 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>The following people have ordered their Acadiafest t-shirts:
>
>Marie
>Natalie
>Rita
>Ana
>Adam
>Clyde
>Bookrat  (3)
>Larry (2)
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>
>You have until Saturday night to make up your mind.  Please order on list
>or to me personally at bonniev@panax.com.  I don't have the URL right here
>where you can view the picture of the t-shirt.  Perhaps Mem does.   I have
>very little here at my brand new computer.  :-)   Not even a .sig.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I say cupcakes, mini-muffins, mini-pizzas or mini-bagels topped with
> > cheese and
> > tomato sauce and zapped for a few mins, baby carrots, pigs in blankets
> > ... hmm
> > I sense a "small" food theme here.
>
> I agree; I was going to post that regular bagels are way too big for small
> kids to eat under party circumstances.

Right - remember, the stomach is the same size as the fist (roughly) -
it's not that much. But they do burn energy; if the party lasts four hours,
they may well eat both a meal and a snack.

PS
remember that some kids this age still take (or need) naps or down
time - plan a quiet activity (like someone reading to them) for those
who need it if things get "fractious" toward the end.
clo

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> > I believe the people involved are all making less than 18,000.  But

It's $26,625.  You can find it just about anywhere, but here's The
Christian Science Monitor:
from: http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/0602/p21s01-coop.html

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>> > I believe the people involved are all making less than 18,000.  But
>
> It's $26,625.  You can find it just about anywhere, but here's The
> Christian Science Monitor:
> from: http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/0602/p21s01-coop.html

Isn't that about the average wage?

Karen

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&#45rashmi:
> My favorite example of this unfairness is the billions of $$
> that farmers and agribusinesses receive as govt subsidy

If you want to be driven absolutely
*nuts*, have a look at the sugar biz.

It was a big deal during our last
Senate election, and is a perfect
illustration of protectionism gone
completely mad.

Not that protectionism isn't a
completely mad idea from the gitgo,
mind you...

--
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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> > I say cupcakes, mini-muffins, mini-pizzas or mini-bagels topped with
>> cheese and
>> > tomato sauce and zapped for a few mins, baby carrots, pigs in
>> blankets ... hmm
>> > I sense a "small" food theme here.
>>
>> I agree; I was going to post that regular bagels are way too big for
>> small kids to eat under party circumstances.
>
> Right - remember, the stomach is the same size as the fist (roughly) -
> it's not that much. But they do burn energy; if the party lasts four
> hours, they may well eat both a meal and a snack.

Right--but they get easily distracted, too--I foresee lots of partially
eaten food lying around.

K

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- D&#46 M&#46:
> I don't know enough to speak on this
> subject, but it is especially strange that the
> government continues to support tobacco.

Well, there needs to be enough smokers
to support that billion-dollar settlement.

--
Richard     now we get moose and squirrel

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> > I believe the people involved are all making less than 18,000.  But
> >
> > It's $26,625.  You can find it just about anywhere, but here's The
> > Christian Science Monitor:
> > from: http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/0602/p21s01-coop.html
>
> Isn't that about the average wage?
>
> Karen

Depending where you live, it's not all that far off - that's the point.
Once again, people who don't make that much are paying far more
than their share of taxes so that people at the top don't have to.

clo

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>
> > 6/4/2003, 2:32 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > DM> pile all the kids in the
> > DM> <van>, get them to the sitters, to baseball, to
> > DM> music and dance lessons, to doctors and dentists,
> >
> > However, we did those things ourselves.  We got to our own games,
> > lessons, and so forth.  We were certainly capable of doing it
> > ourselves, as are the kids today if they weren't so damn spoiled
from
> > being carted all over in the damn van.
> >
> > DM> I don't know how they do it.
> >
> > Me either.  But then I'm looking forward to retirement in five or
six
> > years. But they'd find it easier if they let the kids do more of
their
> > own stuff.  We have some great next door neighbors and their kids
get
> > taken a few places, but the kids get themselves to school, to church
> > events, to athletics, to music lessons, and so forth, unlike so many
> > others.  Sure, they could cart them all over, but they don't, which
I
> > think is good for both the parents and the kids.
>
> Dan,
> I suspect you don't appreciate a) the distances often involved,
> b) the lack of available public transportation in many areas,
> c) the expectation in current parenting circles that kids whose
> parents don't come to games are more likely to do drugs, etc.,
> d) the emphasis on child kidnappings in parenting culture now,
> e) the fact that kids are expected to partake of all these
> organized events, and that is their primary opportunity to
> spend time with friends (almost always structured and
> scheduled), so that the kid who doesn't do the little league
> away games, etc, is often ostracized,
> f) the fact that, given competing work schedules and event
> schedules, the transportation to and from games may be all
> the time you get for "quality" time with your kid (i.e., the time
> when the kid knows he/she has your attention and shares
> with you about the A in spelling or the kid who's tripping him/
> her on the bus).
> and g) the fact that parents are reluctant to invite kids to their
> homes unless they know them and their parents, at least
> superficially, and this is the back-fence over which those
> important relationships are built (eg carpooling).
>
> It ain't all about the kids these days being lazy.
> clo

A good post.  I agree completely.  It's not like they are
growing up in small towns . . or in safe environments . .
or in a fifties' family.

                               - D. M.

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I kept the subject line. It seems I have 1300 unred messages on this list. Hey: I wish to order a T-shirt. Maybe I get to that tomorrow.

Espen

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That was something new!

I am going home to rest. I was awake 32 hours going back home and was so out of it that I didn't manage to sleep more than 6 hours before I woke up at 7 this morning even if I had planned to sleep until lunchtime and then go to work. No rest for the wicked.

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I agree; I was going to post that regular bagels are way too big for small
> kids to eat under party circumstances.

You can cut them up:  slice them to make rings or rounds.  That's work,
though.

Ann

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Espen Ore wrote:

> That was something new!
>
> I am going home to rest. I was awake 32 hours going back home and was so out of it that I didn't manage to sleep more than 6 hours before I woke up at 7 this morning even if I had planned to sleep until lunchtime and then go to work. No rest for the wicked.
>
> Espen

Wow. I don't like to do those. Sleep well!
clo

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6/4/2003, 8:09 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 11:56:51 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> Oh, Karen, btw, I thought of you today re the ambiguous sentence
>> thread, and because it was a Lyle Lovett song: "I don't love you any
>> less, but I can't love you anymore."

KK> This is a great example--I wonder how I can reframe this into a
KK> business context.

How about another country song, which also works in your business
context:

"If I said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?"

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6/4/2003, 8:47 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> That is fine and I am not complaining about that.
DM> But if it is true that people draw a refund who did not
DM> pay taxes, then I think it is rather rotten that politicians
DM> put out all this talk about how they are being left out
DM> and only the rich get refunds, etc.

That's because those are Democrat politicians.

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6/4/2003, 8:57 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

CO> the also substantial
CO> group (and this is the real point) who work hard for low
CO> pay, yet pay taxes they <really really> can't afford, and
CO> who lost out when this credit was dropped in favor of an
CO> additional bonus for the very rich.

Except that this credit was only for those in this group who HAD KIDS.
What about all the others who don't?  Also, it wasn't changed for
anything else for the rich or the poor.  It was simply dropped because
the revenue lost would have been excessive according to those who
voted for the last minute change.

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6/4/2003, 9:03 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

CO> Well, you would be wrong about <ever>. Many women who
CO> wanted to get home sooner were told all kinds of shit about
CO> hurting the baby and signing out against medical advice back
CO> when the stay was typically longer - in your time, and even in
CO> mine.

Absolutely.  When I was born in 43, my mother had no choice but to be
in hospital for ten days.  When younger sibs were born she was
required to stay five.

dan

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Rita Leonard wrote:
>
> The soup sounds wonderful and I may just try it this weekend.  In
> defense of others' pasta recommendations I must say the I almost always
> cook a pound of pasta even if it is only for Ray and me.  There are
> leftovers then but if we have two guests for dinner, there is usually
> not even enough to warrant putting away.

I find that amazing.  Maybe I should have served their plates instead of
having them serve themselves.  That way I could've piled it high -- or
at least covered the whole plate.  I put the broccoli salad on salad
plates to encourage them to fill up the whole dinner plates with The
Dish, but they didn't.  They served themselves what I would call
<normal> servings -- covering a relatively small part of the plates.
They did say when seeing how much pasta I was cooking that that was way,
way too much for four people.

Re leftovers, I hate that I've obligated myself to go to a banquet
tonight.  Otherwise, I could consume some of the leftovers.  I guess
I'll just freeze the stuff.  I don't think my freezer would hold
anything like the whole amount of leftover Dish, but I can throw out
some of the pasta and concentrate on saving mainly just the shrimp.

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6/5/2003, 6:27 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> NM> to race through mail before cleaning the kitchen and doing various other
>> NM> things like going cheese shopping.  Will do it tomorrow maybe.
>>
>> I'm waiting.

NM> Surely somebody has given the figures by now.

    Nope, no figures yet, no cites yet.

    dan

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/4/2003, 2:58 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> RC>         LOL.  Yeah, peace and quiet.  I get *so* much of that.
>
>   Understand that.  But, you're a hell of a lot better off than a
>   Missouri woman of 1870 or 1820 aren't you?
>
>   dan

Sort of depends on which woman, doesn't it?
clo

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Dan Lester wrote:
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> 6/4/2003, 1:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> NM> And the shrimp peelings, old sprouted garlic, and assorted other stinky
> NM> garbage are in the campus dumpster behind the p.o., where the stink
> NM> won't offend anybody except maybe very briefly while walking by it.
> NM> Nobody is in that area for extended periods of time.  Started to keep
> NM> the garbage since tomorrow is garbage day but needed to go to the p.o.
> NM> anyway.
>
> Isn't this a violation of rules, if not law?

No.  Not that I know of.

> Your garbage can isn't
> tight enough, or far enough from your guests, to be effective?

I don't use a garbage can.  I still have one, but it fills with rain and
gets horribly messy.  I've been trying to figure out how to throw it
away.  Since some people put their garbage by the curb in garbage cans
(though that's not the norm here), the garbage people might not know
that the garbage can by my curb was itself garbage.  And putting the
shrimpy garbage out this morning would have meant that morning
walkers/joggers would have had to smell it -- of which there are far
more than there are people who walk past that out-of-the-way campus
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>  pigs in blankets ...

Do vegetarians normally serve meat items to visiting non-vegetarians?
Or does it depend on the reasons for their being vegetarians (like
whether it's based on some kind of moral belief or just on aesthetic
preference)?

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> Re leftovers, I hate that I've obligated myself to go to a banquet
> tonight.  Otherwise, I could consume some of the leftovers.  I guess
> I'll just freeze the stuff.  I don't think my freezer would hold
> anything like the whole amount of leftover Dish, but I can throw out
> some of the pasta and concentrate on saving mainly just the shrimp.

Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.

K

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6/5/2003, 10:06 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>>   Understand that.  But, you're a hell of a lot better off than a
>>   Missouri woman of 1870 or 1820 aren't you?
>>
>>   dan

CO> Sort of depends on which woman, doesn't it?

   I was thinking of an average middle class (or whatever class you
   consider yourself to be).  Not landed gentry, not a whore on the
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6/5/2003, 10:06 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Isn't this a violation of rules, if not law?

NM> No.  Not that I know of.

Well, it is many places, but who knows about Sville?

>> Your garbage can isn't
>> tight enough, or far enough from your guests, to be effective?

NM> I don't use a garbage can.  I still have one, but it fills with rain and
NM> gets horribly messy.  I've been trying to figure out how to throw it
NM> away.  Since some people put their garbage by the curb in garbage cans
NM> (though that's not the norm here), the garbage people might not know
NM> that the garbage can by my curb was itself garbage.

Put a sign on it that says "please take can".  Worked for me, anyway,
but our garbage collectors do know how to read.

NM>   And putting the
NM> shrimpy garbage out this morning would have meant that morning
NM> walkers/joggers would have had to smell it -- of which there are far
NM> more than there are people who walk past that out-of-the-way campus
NM> dumpster.

I guess this is the ultimate in Southern Lady Consideration and
Hospitality.  If it is garbage day, anyone strolling down the street
might have to smell lots of garbage if people don't have containers
worth a damn.  Of course all mine is in tied plastic bags before it
ever goes in the can.

dan

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> That was something new!

I certainly hope they were fresh ones -- as in straight from the
boiling.  As we've discussed here before, they're good only when
consumed immediately.  The <normal> way to eat boiled peanuts is to stop
at the side of a road when you see a truck or a shack with a big vat and
a hand-written "BOILED PEANUTS" sign, buy a bag of them, and eat them on
the spot or in your car as you continue driving.

I'm looking forward to your WHTM!

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Dan Lester wrote:
>
> 6/4/2003, 8:47 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> DM> That is fine and I am not complaining about that.
> DM> But if it is true that people draw a refund who did not
> DM> pay taxes, then I think it is rather rotten that politicians
> DM> put out all this talk about how they are being left out
> DM> and only the rich get refunds, etc.
>
> That's because those are Democrat politicians.

Note the "if" in what Doris wrote.  I think it's pretty rotten for
politicians to put out all this talk about people getting this tax
credit when they're not paying taxes.  Iow, it's just still more of the
current administration's lies.  That, to me, is the most frightening
thing about the Bush administration:  the gross distortions of truth and
the media manipulation.

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Dan Lester wrote:

>  It was simply dropped because
> the revenue lost would have been excessive according to those who
> voted for the last minute change.

ROFL!!!!  It's ok to lose revenue to give millionnaires refunds.  Just
don't let somebody like a school teacher or clerk or any other of the
hordes of occupations you could name that pay $26,000 or less get in on
it.  That would be <excessive>.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.

That seems pushing it to me.

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Dan Lester wrote:
> >> Isn't this a violation of rules, if not law?
>
> NM> No.  Not that I know of.
>
> Well, it is many places, but who knows about Sville?

I don't know about Starkville.  This has nothing to do with Starkville.
(And I don't know that the city has any dumpsters anyway.  Individual
businesses and such do.)

> Put a sign on it that says "please take can".  Worked for me, anyway,
> but our garbage collectors do know how to read.

I don't know whether ours do.  My guess is that most of them don't.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
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>Karen Kay wrote:
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>> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
>
>That seems pushing it to me.
>
>--
Leftovers last much longer. You must enjoy wasting money and food. I wish I
was that rich. Thrifty you are not.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
> >
> >That seems pushing it to me.
> >
> >--
> Leftovers last much longer. You must enjoy wasting money and food. I wish I
> was that rich. Thrifty you are not.

I have never believed in eating stuff just because it's there.  Thank
goodness, I did not grow up in an environment that suggested that making
yourself eat something because people were starving in Ethiopia made
sense.  The only things we were forced to eat in my childhood were our
green vegetables.  Everything else was optional.  No clean-your-plate
(i.e., make yourself fat) philosophy.

I don't know how much richer I am than you are, but I feel safe in
betting you any amount you want to bet that I spend less money on food
than you do.

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
>
> That seems pushing it to me.

Pushing what? The envelope of how long food is edible for? I don't think
so. If it was fresh when it went in the fridge, it should keep for several
days.

K

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> >> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
>> >
>> >That seems pushing it to me.
>> >
>> >--
>> Leftovers last much longer. You must enjoy wasting money and
>food. I wish I
>> was that rich. Thrifty you are not.
>
>I have never believed in eating stuff just because it's there.  Thank
>goodness, I did not grow up in an environment that suggested
>that making
>yourself eat something because people were starving in Ethiopia made
>sense.  The only things we were forced to eat in my childhood were our
>green vegetables.  Everything else was optional.  No clean-your-plate
>(i.e., make yourself fat) philosophy.
>
>I don't know how much richer I am than you are, but I feel safe in
>betting you any amount you want to bet that I spend less money on food
>than you do.
>
>--
There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
eat from a toaster oven and over a sink. We also shop for two people.
Leftovers make great snacks and quick dinners. Being on your own, I imagine
a box of Stouffers works. We like to prepare a nice sit down dinner. Last
night for example, balsamic pork chops,sliced white potatoes and asparagus.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
> >
> > That seems pushing it to me.
>
> Pushing what? The envelope of how long food is edible for? I don't think
> so. If it was fresh when it went in the fridge, it should keep for several
> days.

I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I don't know how long those shrimp had
been sitting in the grocery store, for example.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I don't know how long those shrimp had
> been sitting in the grocery store, for example.

If they weren't rotten when you cooked them, the clock starts over.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:23 PM
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>
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> >> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
>> >
>> > That seems pushing it to me.
>>
>> Pushing what? The envelope of how long food is edible for? I
>don't think
>> so. If it was fresh when it went in the fridge, it should
>keep for several
>> days.
>
>I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I don't know how long those shrimp had
>been sitting in the grocery store, for example.
>
>--
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alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >I don't know how much richer I am than you are, but I feel safe in
> >betting you any amount you want to bet that I spend less money on food
> >than you do.
> >
> There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
> eat from a toaster oven and over a sink. We also shop for two people.

I didn't say that the bet was about how much I spend on food vs how much
you and Heide do combined.  That would obviously not be a fair bet.

> Leftovers make great snacks and quick dinners. Being on your own, I imagine
> a box of Stouffers works. We like to prepare a nice sit down dinner. Last
> night for example, balsamic pork chops,sliced white potatoes and asparagus.

I don't know what a box of Stouffers is.  Oh wait -- they're the Lean
Cuisine people.  I do know Stouffers.  My brain was blanking.  But I
would say it depends on what's in the box.  Nothing in what you've
written changes my point.  It simply reinforces it.

And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to eat more than
you want than to throw food away is dumb.  You're not helping the hungry
by doing so.  I remember my pediatrician's saying one time that she
thought the clean-your-plate philsophy was one of the worst things
somebody could inflict on a child -- that it exacerbated the problem of
childhood obesity.  Nothing is being gained (well, except maybe weight)
by not throwing away food if you don't want to eat it.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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At 01:04 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>  We also shop for two people.
>Leftovers make great snacks and quick dinners. Being on your own, I imagine
>a box of Stouffers works. We like to prepare a nice sit down dinner.

We also shop for two and have sit-down dinners.  Some things that I cook
make more than one meal, e.g., the red or black beans that I prepare to go
with rice or some pasta sauces---I hold to the theory that for some dishes,
there is a critical mass below which things just don't work well.  The
leftover beans\sauces go in the freezer.  Some things get tossed because
long experience has shown that we just don't get around to eating
them.  Most of the leftover meat, bones, and scraps goes into the freezer
for soup stock.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I don't know how long those shrimp had
> > been sitting in the grocery store, for example.
>
> If they weren't rotten when you cooked them, the clock starts over.

I'm also tired of them, having eaten them last night.  But the point is
moot now anyway since they're now freezing.  I filled up six or eight
containers with The Dish, emphasizing the shrimp, and they're now in the
freezer.  Then I raked a ton of slimed up pasta into the garbage, which
I will take to the dumpster this afternoon when I go to the p.o.  I had
meant to go to the p.o. this morning and eat lunch on campus, but I got
busy with washing table cloth and napkins, putting away dishes and
silver, etc. and ended up not doing that.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/5/2003, 10:06 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >>   Understand that.  But, you're a hell of a lot better off than a
> >>   Missouri woman of 1870 or 1820 aren't you?
> >>
> >>   dan
>
> CO> Sort of depends on which woman, doesn't it?
>
>    I was thinking of an average middle class (or whatever class you
>    consider yourself to be).  Not landed gentry, not a whore on the
>    street.

Actually, I think you were talking to Doris, so it's what she
considers herself. I was just being a smartass. The average woman
would be dead by our age, so it hardly matters, but I am interested
to learn that if I wasn't middle class or gentry (which I'm not, though
my Southern ancestresses were), I'd be a whore, which my Northern
ancestresses (who were working class at best) were not - not that
there's anything wrong in being an honest "working girl".

clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
> eat from a toaster oven and over a sink.

Thus missing out on two of the great pleasures in life? ;)
clo

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>And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to eat more than
>you want than to throw food away is dumb.  You're not helping the hungry
>by doing so.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a second or third
meal out of leftovers not eating more than you want at any one sitting.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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>I will take to the dumpster this afternoon when I go to the p.o.
>  -- Natalie

Who pays to get this dumpster emptied?  Do they appreciate the general
public throwing their garbage in their dumpster??


          --bonniev@panax.com

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Just had word . .

His plane is touching down as we speak,

in Florida.

                              - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Just had word . .
>
> His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> in Florida.
>
>                               - D. M.

YaY!
I am so happy for you.

clo

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Alec:

> There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
> eat from a toaster oven and over a sink.

This is healthy and happy ...

>Thus missing out on two of the great pleasures in life? ;)
>clo

Oh, this is sad .....

I align myself with the Alec Bon Vivant camp.

AS

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> >And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to eat more than
> >you want than to throw food away is dumb.  You're not helping the hungry
> >by doing so.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a second or third
> meal out of leftovers not eating more than you want at any one sitting.

Nope.  Alec quite clearly and distinctly said that I must be rich
because I throw away food.  That is what I am responding to.  No subtle
or otherwise topic change -- at least none on my part.  Alec perhaps
changed it to the topic of wealth and throwing away food (though I see
nothing wrong with such change -- I see that as natural discourse --
natural weaving of topics -- nothing strange about it).

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> > Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a second or third
> > meal out of leftovers not eating more than you want at any one sitting.
>
>Nope.  Alec quite clearly and distinctly said that I must be rich
>because I throw away food.  That is what I am responding to.  No subtle
>or otherwise topic change -- at least none on my part.  Alec perhaps
>changed it to the topic of wealth and throwing away food (though I see
>nothing wrong with such change -- I see that as natural discourse --
>natural weaving of topics -- nothing strange about it).
>  -- Natalie

Still a topic change.  Alec is talking about throwing away food when it
could be eaten as leftovers at another meal.  But you switched it to
forcing down more food than you want to eat at one meal.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
> > eat from a toaster oven and over a sink.
>
> Thus missing out on two of the great pleasures in life? ;)

I agree.  I also find it funny that people who are into eating seem to
think there's something somehow <superior> about it -- like there's
something <wrong> with not being that interested in cooking/eating.  I'm
not talking about Alec here so much as others, not necessarily
Wordslers, I've heard say things that suggest it is somehow A Good Thing
to have a special interest in food.  I guess it's not so much that in
itself, since having special interests is almost always fun, regardless
of what they are.  It's the idea that those without that specific
interest are <mutant>.  I don't have that attitude about people who
don't share my love of swimming, to name any one of lots of possible
things I could name.  Different people have different
interests/hobbies/likes.

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Lunch today was at the Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox church - it's
Greek Festival week in Wilmington. After weeks and weeks of rain
and clouds it was nice enough to sit outside and enjoy the fleeting
spring. I had my faves - dolmades, spanakopita  and a bite of a
cow orker's mousakka. For dessert a take-out box with kadaifi and
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YUM!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > > There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
> > > eat from a toaster oven and over a sink.
> >
> > Thus missing out on two of the great pleasures in life? ;)
>
> I agree.  I also find it funny that people who are into eating seem to
> think there's something somehow <superior> about it -- like there's
> something <wrong> with not being that interested in cooking/eating.  I'm
> not talking about Alec here so much as others, not necessarily
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> interest are <mutant>.  I don't have that attitude about people who
> don't share my love of swimming, to name any one of lots of possible
> things I could name.  Different people have different
> interests/hobbies/likes.

Howard Johnson is right about Gabby Johnson being right!
Rarum!

clo

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Just had word . .
>
> His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> in Florida.

Great news!!

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At 12:20 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Alec:
>
> > There is food and then, there is food. I enjoy cooking and eating. I don't
> > eat from a toaster oven and over a sink.
>
>This is healthy and happy ...
>
> >Thus missing out on two of the great pleasures in life? ;)
> >clo
>
>Oh, this is sad .....
>
>I align myself with the Alec Bon Vivant camp.
>
>AS

I just want some of "The Dish".  Now!

Betty

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Natalie:

"Whether the food ends up in a stomach or a garbage can seems irrelevant to
me."

AS

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> Who pays to get this dumpster emptied?  Do they appreciate the general
> public throwing their garbage in their dumpster??

The university has its own garbage crew.  They are university
employees.  I don't think the specific amount of garbage in the dumpster
on a particular day matters very much.  And I see no particular
difference between my dumping home food remains into the dumpster and
people in their offices dumping office-lunch remains into it.  Actually,
they would be much more likely to dump that into their office trash
cans, which means it would involve the building custodial workers as
well as the dumpster-emptiers.  I could easily have taken this food to
my office, eaten some of it for lunch there, and dropped it into my
trash can or one of the other trash receptacles in the building.  Hattie
would then empty it into a large rolling can, which goes out the end of
the building once a day and to a dumpster.

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>well, I am not a sink-eater myself; but why be so judgmental?

And what's your excuse? :).


>There must be something to it if it's popular, right? Like
Survivor...
>clo


Oh, this is so sad ...

AS

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>I just want some of "The Dish".  Now!

>Betty

Yes! RIGHT now!

AS, who could actually drive there in about five or so hours ...

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> Still a topic change.  Alec is talking about throwing away food when it
> could be eaten as leftovers at another meal.  But you switched it to
> forcing down more food than you want to eat at one meal.

Heavens.  If you consider this some kind of inappropriate discourse
technique, I'm not sure what to think.  It strikes me as quite normal.
I don't see that it matters in the least WHEN one eats the food.  I see
no reason that I should feel forced to eat that leftover pasta *period*
-- now, next week, or next month.  My point is that I see nothing wrong
with throwing away food.  If Alec thinks that is <posting rich> and that
I am an <unthrifty person>, that's fine.  I have now given my reasons
for my wealthy wastefulness.  And I feel no guilt about continuing my
<rich ways>, especially since, as I said, I feel sure that I spend less
money on food than Alec does.  Whether the food ends up in a stomach or
a garbage can seems irrelevant to me.

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >Thus missing out on two of the great pleasures in life? ;)
> >clo
>
> Oh, this is sad .....
>
> I align myself with the Alec Bon Vivant camp.

well, I am not a sink-eater myself; but why be so judgmental?
There must be something to it if it's popular, right? Like
Survivor...
clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> well, I am not a sink-eater myself; but why be so judgmental?

That is precisely the point I was making in my reply a little while
ago.

> There must be something to it if it's popular, right? Like

Perhaps it suggests <sophistication> to be able to talk about <fine
foods> and <gourmet cooking>.

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>And I see no particular
>difference between my dumping home food remains into the dumpster and
>people in their offices dumping office-lunch remains into it.
>  -- Natalie

What if everyone brought their home garbage and threw it into the
University dumpsters?


          --bonniev@panax.com

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Natalie Maynor:
= Rashmi Murthy wrote:
= >
= >  pigs in blankets ...
=
= Do vegetarians normally serve meat items to visiting non-vegetarians?

we don't, but when we have overnight house guests who have some
independant time (or someone watching the place) we say they
can bring cooked meat into the house and store it in the fridge,
but please not to cook it on our stove/ in the oven.

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http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/whereareyou/

AS

P.S. Anyone else ever become a winner of this besides Brad?

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steph wrote:

> Natalie Maynor:
> = Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> = >
> = >  pigs in blankets ...
> =
> = Do vegetarians normally serve meat items to visiting non-vegetarians?
>
> we don't, but when we have overnight house guests who have some
> independant time (or someone watching the place) we say they
> can bring cooked meat into the house and store it in the fridge,
> but please not to cook it on our stove/ in the oven.

Most vegetarians I know either partition off a part of the fridge
(like having meat and milk dishes in kosher cooking, I imagine)
or refuse to have blood in the kitchen. I personally, when I was
vegetarian, didn't care what other people did as long as I didn't
have to touch it or clean it up.

clo

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >well, I am not a sink-eater myself; but why be so judgmental?
>
> And what's your excuse? :).
>
> >There must be something to it if it's popular, right? Like
> Survivor...
> >clo
>
> Oh, this is so sad ...
>
> AS

LOL
and do you watch it?
clo

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> What if everyone brought their home garbage and threw it into the
> University dumpsters?

Lots and lots of people do.  Afaik, nobody objects.  Many of the people
who do it regularly live outside the city, where garbage pickup is by
subscription rather than standard for all residents, as it is in town
(as in we pay for it whether we use it or not if we live in town).  It
wouldn't make sense for people in town to do it regularly -- like all of
their garbage.

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  didn't care what other people did as long as I didn't
> have to touch it or clean it up.
>
> clo


Not a bad philosophy for life in general.

BrP

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>and do you watch it?
>clo

Hell, no. I have a life, thank you. :)

AS

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I got out my camera shortly before the guests arrived last night because
I was planning on taking a picture of The Dish to compare with Adam's
Snowbash pictures of it.  But when the guests got here, we got busy
talking and toasting, and then I got busy fighting with food, and I
didn't think any more about picture-taking.  But I can show you the
pretty magnolia blossom I picked late yesterday afternoon and put on the
table.  Here's just the blossom:

http://www.maynor.net/Dinner/magnolia.jpg

This one shows it in the middle of the whole table (which I keep at 2/3
size unless more than five people need to be sitting -- I much prefer it
when I don't have to open it out all the way):

http://www.maynor.net/Dinner/table.jpg

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At 12:53 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Just had word . .
>
>His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
>in Florida.
>
>                               - D. M.

Fantastic!  How is Gene today?

Betty

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Natalie:


>Perhaps it suggests <sophistication> to be able to talk about <fine
foods> and <gourmet cooking>.

... and later a picture worth at least a thousand words ...

http://www.maynor.net/Dinner/table.jpg

Stunning illustration!

AS

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At 02:23 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Howard Johnson is right about Gabby Johnson being right!
>Rarum!

well put.

cwv

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=
= in Florida.
=
=                               - D. M.

YaY!

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >and do you watch it?
> >clo
>
> Hell, no. I have a life, thank you. :)

LOL
that's how I feel too, which is why I picked it as an example.
clo

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> Fantastic!  How is Gene today?
>
> Betty

He is doing fine.  Still some pain and he's a bit
weak, but he dresses every day, goes to Rehab
now to exercise, also takes walks.  He feels
well enough to tell me when to speed up,
slow down, get into the other lane, pass a
car, etc.   <Eeek!>

                                 - D. M.

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Natalie:
>
> >Perhaps it suggests <sophistication> to be able to talk about <fine
> foods> and <gourmet cooking>.
>
> ... and later a picture worth at least a thousand words ...
>
> http://www.maynor.net/Dinner/table.jpg
>
> Stunning illustration!

and the tablecloth matches the AcadiaFest tshirt!
clo

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>
> Howard Johnson is right about Gabby Johnson being right!
> Rarum!
>
> clo

    That's about the finest example of authentic Western gibberish we've heard
around here for some time.

Le Petomaine

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > Fantastic!  How is Gene today?
> >
> > Betty
>
> He is doing fine.  Still some pain and he's a bit
> weak, but he dresses every day, goes to Rehab
> now to exercise, also takes walks.  He feels
> well enough to tell me when to speed up,
> slow down, get into the other lane, pass a
> car, etc.   <Eeek!>
>
>                                  - D. M.

That is good news.
clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonnie Voigtlander
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:42 PM
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>
>
>>And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to
>eat more than
>>you want than to throw food away is dumb.  You're not helping
>the hungry
>>by doing so.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a
>second or third
>meal out of leftovers not eating more than you want at any one sitting.
>
>
>          --bonniev@panax.com
>

Thanks Bonnie! She does this all the time.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>>I will take to the dumpster this afternoon when I go to the p.o.
>>  -- Natalie
>
>Who pays to get this dumpster emptied?  Do they appreciate the general
>public throwing their garbage in their dumpster??
>
>
>          --bonniev@panax.com
>

In PA using a dumpster which is not yours is called theft of services and is
a $300 fine.



alec

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/whereareyou/
>
> AS
>
> P.S. Anyone else ever become a winner of this besides Brad?

    I should enter.  Dead easy.

JMW

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:13 PM
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>
>
>Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>>
>> >And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to
>eat more than
>> >you want than to throw food away is dumb.  You're not
>helping the hungry
>> >by doing so.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>> Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a
>second or third
>> meal out of leftovers not eating more than you want at any
>one sitting.
>
>Nope.  Alec quite clearly and distinctly said that I must be rich
>because I throw away food.  That is what I am responding to.  No subtle
>or otherwise topic change -- at least none on my part.  Alec perhaps
>changed it to the topic of wealth and throwing away food (though I see
>nothing wrong with such change -- I see that as natural discourse --
>natural weaving of topics -- nothing strange about it).
>
>--
Nope. I was talking about use of leftovers. Talked nothing about cleaning a
plate.



alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:43 PM
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>
>
>Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
>> What if everyone brought their home garbage and threw it into the
>> University dumpsters?
>
>Lots and lots of people do.  Afaik, nobody objects.  Many of the people
>who do it regularly live outside the city, where garbage pickup is by
>subscription rather than standard for all residents, as it is in town
>(as in we pay for it whether we use it or not if we live in town).  It
>wouldn't make sense for people in town to do it regularly --
>like all of
>their garbage.
>
>--
Whether your mutant self believes it or not, you are stealing services from
your university. They might not care, but I am sure it is theft. A lawyer
can answer it better then me.


alec

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How is the new computer?  Is your old one going to recycling?

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> and the tablecloth matches the AcadiaFest tshirt!

I meant to tell you about the $3 tablecloth.  I'd been searching for
ages for a tablecloth to fit my table at its 2/3 size and had almost
given up.  I'd been using big rectangular tablecloths with one end of
them falling down the folded back side of the table -- against the wall
and not highly visible though somewhat so and generally <unpleasant>.
The closest I had come to finding one to fit was 52x52, but that's
really too small when the table pads are on.  It makes for only the
teeniest overhang.  Anyway, I heard about this napkin and tablecloth
factory outlet in West Point and went to check it out not long ago.
Their stuff was mainly pretty ugly, as in fact is the AcadiaFest-tshirt
tablecloth, but they had tons of 63x63, which is the perfect size.  So I
bought a couple of them -- $3 each.  I do hope to find a prettier one
somewhere someday to fit it, though.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a

> Thanks Bonnie! She does this all the time.

If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic changes," then I
certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that that kind of
change is quite ordinary.

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> In PA using a dumpster which is not yours is called theft of services and is
> a $300 fine.

Interesting.  I'm glad PA doesn't own MSU.  The campus police with whom
I've occasionally chatted while I'm dumping haven't seemed to find
anything wrong with it.

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Doris Markland:
= > Fantastic!  How is Gene today?
= >
= > Betty
=
= He is doing fine.  Still some pain and he's a bit
= weak, but he dresses every day, goes to Rehab
= now to exercise, also takes walks.  He feels
= well enough to tell me when to speed up,
= slow down, get into the other lane, pass a
= car, etc.   <Eeek!>
=
=                                  - D. M.

Taxi steph gives rides to people to and from work.  There's one
guy who comes with me regularly in the morning, and whoever wants
one is welcome to a lift home as long as it's reasonably on the
way (I'll get off at my exit or the one before it and drop people
on the way).  Circumstances have just added a guy we work with to
the ride home on occasion, and he is very picky about everything.
He tells me which lane to be in, adjusts the vents in the car,
complains when it is too cold, etc.

(then he gets out of the car and we talk about how rude he is)

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Doris Markland wrote:

>   He feels
> well enough to tell me when to speed up,
> slow down, get into the other lane, pass a
> car, etc.   <Eeek!>

Sounds good!

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Nope. I was talking about use of leftovers. Talked nothing about cleaning a
> plate.

I must have simply imagined that you mentioned throwing away food and
that I must be rich to do that.  Guess I should check the archives and
worry more about my alzheimers when I find that I dreamed that.   As for
cleaning a plate, I don't remember your using that phrase.  I did since
to me it's the same principle: eating food you don't want instead of
throwing it away.  But then I guess you as a literalist don't see that.
You would assume that one had to be talking about a specific plate at a
specific time -- that if you waited and ate the rest of the food the
next day, it would not be "cleaning your plate."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:47 PM
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>
>
>Doris Markland:
>= > Fantastic!  How is Gene today?
>= >
>= > Betty
>=
>= He is doing fine.  Still some pain and he's a bit
>= weak, but he dresses every day, goes to Rehab
>= now to exercise, also takes walks.  He feels
>= well enough to tell me when to speed up,
>= slow down, get into the other lane, pass a
>= car, etc.   <Eeek!>
>=
>=                                  - D. M.
>
>Taxi steph gives rides to people to and from work.  There's one
>guy who comes with me regularly in the morning, and whoever wants
>one is welcome to a lift home as long as it's reasonably on the
>way (I'll get off at my exit or the one before it and drop people
>on the way).  Circumstances have just added a guy we work with to
>the ride home on occasion, and he is very picky about everything.
>He tells me which lane to be in, adjusts the vents in the car,
>complains when it is too cold, etc.
>
>(then he gets out of the car and we talk about how rude he is)
>

Why do you give him a ride? I would tell him to drive himself or find his
own way home.


alec

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>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Nope. I was talking about use of leftovers. Talked nothing
>about cleaning a
>> plate.
>
>I must have simply imagined that you mentioned throwing away food and
>that I must be rich to do that.  Guess I should check the archives and
>worry more about my alzheimers when I find that I dreamed
>that.   As for
>cleaning a plate, I don't remember your using that phrase.  I did since
>to me it's the same principle: eating food you don't want instead of
>throwing it away.  But then I guess you as a literalist don't see that.
>You would assume that one had to be talking about a specific plate at a
>specific time -- that if you waited and ate the rest of the food the
>next day, it would not be "cleaning your plate."
>
>--
I said you were rich not using leftovers. I grew up in a poor house which
leftovers, helped make ends meet.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Whether your mutant self believes it or not, you are stealing services from
> your university. They might not care, but I am sure it is theft. A lawyer
> can answer it better then me.

If this is true, then it means I have stolen much more from my city than
from my university.  Through the years I have thrown away far more
work-related stuff at home than I have home-related stuff on campus.
It's going to get pretty complicated if we have to start keeping careful
track of whether garbage is more work-related or home-related and being
sure to throw it in the garbage of the appropriate entity.

What about using campus streets?  Many people use them every day since
they're the easiest route between certain residential areas and
Starkville.  Are they stealing services from the university?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>How is the new computer?  Is your old one going to recycling?
>Betty

It's very nice.  I'm getting used to Windows XP.  The old one will probably
be used at the Internet Cafe.  Bruce will buy a used hard drive for it from
EBay and put it to making money for him.  This is the third computer of
ours that we've given to him.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I said you were rich not using leftovers.  I grew up in a poor house which
> leftovers, helped make ends meet.

One last time, and then I'll give up on the point(s):  If I spend less
money on food than you do, even though you eat all leftovers, then I
cannot see how you would consider me rich for not eating food I don't
want to eat.  That's just plain <illogical>.  And you make it sound as
if I've said I don't ever eat leftovers.  I've never said any such
thing.  I said I don't leave leftovers sitting in the refrigerator very
long -- iow, I would rather go on and freeze the stuff from last night
now instead of risking leaving it in the refrigerator.  If I decide I
want it tomorrow night, I can pull it out of the freezer.  If I were
<against> leftovers in general, why did I bother to separate all that
leftover stuff this morning into a bunch of containers that are now in
the freezer?  Or why, for that matter, did I eat the leftover broccoli
salad for lunch today?  I said I don't want all that slimy pasta -- now,
tomorrow, next week, whenever.  So I have thrown the extra pasta away.

> I grew up in a poor house which
> leftovers, helped make ends meet.

I am sorry that you grew up in poverty, but I don't think that that
makes somebody who prefers to eat less than you necessarily rich.  I
rarely paid attention to which of my childhood food was leftover and
which wasn't.  It made no difference to me.  I realized later in life,
when noticing how much other people ate, that my family happened to be a
family that didn't eat very much.  I never felt hungry, but we just
didn't eat as much as other people.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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An old friend is back.

alec


>
>This is an alert regarding W32.Bugbear.B@mm, a mass-mailing
>worm that has
>begun spreading worldwide.  This worm affects machines running Windows
>95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.
>
>The worm arrives via an email which attempts to auto-execute
>the attached
>file if the machine hasn't had a specific patch applied to it (details
>below).  As part of the infection, the worm creates a backdoor, drops a
>keylogging component, and emails itself to all email addresses found
>within several different types of file extensions.  The worm spoofs the
>"From:" address on the messages it sends.  The worm also
>searches for and
>disables processes used with security and anti-virus applications,
>including Norton AntiVirus.  The worm may also spawn print jobs to all
>network printers which will result in printing a lot of garbled text
>since it will try to print its file contents.
>
>Symantec has announced that virus definitions dated 6/5/2003 (now
>available through LiveUpdate) or later will detect
>W32.Bugbear.B.  Be sure
>to update your virus definitions immediately.  There have been several
>reports of W32.Bugbear.B appearing on campus today.
>
>
>Characteristics
>---------------
>
>The worm arrives in an email with a subject either chosen from a
>predefined list or from random files on the infected computer.  There
>will be a more complete list of known subject lines published on a
>breakout page linked off the Virus Alerts page in a short while.
>
>The email will contain an attachment either named Setup.exe or it will
>contain one of the following strings.
>
>readme
>Setup
>Card
>Docs
>news
>image
>images
>pics
>resume
>photo
>video
>music
>song
>data
>
>The worm can also borrow a name from a random file on the infected
>computer.  The attached file will end with a double extension with the
>last extension being either .pif, .scr, or .exe.
>
>When the attachment is executed, the worm will do the following:
>
>-- copy itself with the name Setup.exe or with a random name to the
>Startup folder so it will be executed on the next system restart
>-- send itself, via its own SMTP engine, to all addresses
>found in files
>with the following extensions: .ods, .mmf, .nch, .mbx, .eml,
>.tbb, .dbx,
>or with the filename Inbox
>-- terminate processes associated with a large number of security and
>anti-virus applications, including NAV and ZoneAlarm
>- drops a keylogging component in the Windows System directory
>- installs a backdoor component that listens on TCP port 1080
>
>Recovery
>------------
>
>There currently is no removal tool for the worm.  We will post
>it to the
>Alerts page when it becomes available. Current information on recovery
>from W32.Bugbear.B is:
>
>-- locate and kill any processes associated with the worm
>-- run LiveUpdate to install the 6/5/2003 (or later) version
>of NAV virus
>definition file
>-- run a full system scan of the user's hard drive
>
>More information on removal will be posted to the individual write-up
>linked off the Virus Alerts page as it becomes available.
>
>
>Protection
>-------------
>
>It is recommended that you update your virus definitions immediately.
>Symantec definitions dated 6/05/2003 will detect the virus.
>Instructions
>on how to update NAV definition files are located at:
>
>http://www.upenn.edu/computing/help/doc/virus/nav/winnavupdate.html
>
>The worm uses the "Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail
>Attachment" vulnerability to cause unpatched systems to
>auto-execute the
>worm simply when reading or previewing an infected message.  This patch
>has been available for more than two years.
>
>Further information on the W32.Bugbear.B worm can be found at:
>
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear.b@mm.html
>http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/bugbear_b.shtml
>http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=PE_BUGBEAR.
B
>http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100358.htm
>http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32bugbearb.html

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:56 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Whether your mutant self believes it or not, you are
>stealing services from
>> your university. They might not care, but I am sure it is
>theft. A lawyer
>> can answer it better then me.
>
>If this is true, then it means I have stolen much more from my
>city than
>from my university.  Through the years I have thrown away far more
>work-related stuff at home than I have home-related stuff on campus.
>It's going to get pretty complicated if we have to start
>keeping careful
>track of whether garbage is more work-related or home-related and being
>sure to throw it in the garbage of the appropriate entity.
>
>What about using campus streets?  Many people use them every day since
>they're the easiest route between certain residential areas and
>Starkville.  Are they stealing services from the university?
>
>--
Ask a lawyer about the use of the streets.


alec

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> One last time, and then I'll give up on the point(s):  If I spend less
> money on food than you do, even though you eat all leftovers, then I
> cannot see how you would consider me rich for not eating food I don't
> want to eat.  That's just plain <illogical>.

Joining these two topics is illogical. The total amount of money you spend
on food is not at issue; we've been talking about the efficient use of
resources. Throwing away leftovers is not good ROI.

Karen

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>If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic changes," then I
>certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
>something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that that kind of
>change is quite ordinary.     -- Natalie

But it is odd and devious.

Alec says:  It's a waste of food to not eat the leftovers from a party meal
during the following week.

Natalie says:  I don't believe in this stuff about eating everything on
your plate whether you are hungry or not.

Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:19 PM
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>
>
>> One last time, and then I'll give up on the point(s):  If I
>spend less
>> money on food than you do, even though you eat all leftovers, then I
>> cannot see how you would consider me rich for not eating food I don't
>> want to eat.  That's just plain <illogical>.
>
>Joining these two topics is illogical. The total amount of
>money you spend
>on food is not at issue; we've been talking about the efficient use of
>resources. Throwing away leftovers is not good ROI.
>
>Karen
>

Thanks. That is correct. I never compared our food spending. I know I spend
more then you spend on food. I am not debating this topic at all.


alec

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonnie Voigtlander
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>
>
>>If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic changes," then I
>>certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
>>something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that that kind of
>>change is quite ordinary.     -- Natalie
>
>But it is odd and devious.
>
>Alec says:  It's a waste of food to not eat the leftovers from
>a party meal
>during the following week.
>
>Natalie says:  I don't believe in this stuff about eating everything on
>your plate whether you are hungry or not.
>
>Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.
>
>
>          --bonniev@panax.com
>

I did not see it clearly. Thanks Bonnie. Deception to win discussions.


alec

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>Through the years I have thrown away far more
>work-related stuff at home than I have home-related stuff on campus.
>It's going to get pretty complicated if we have to start keeping careful
>track of whether garbage is more work-related or home-related and being
>sure to throw it in the garbage of the appropriate entity.
>  -- Natalie

Another subtle change of topic to win a point.  We were not talking about
home or work-related garbage.  We were talking about disposing of garbage
at the site where the garbage is created.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >What about using campus streets?  Many people use them every day since
> >they're the easiest route between certain residential areas and
> >Starkville.  Are they stealing services from the university?
> >--
> Ask a lawyer about the use of the streets.

I don't care enough.  Now that is what I would call rich and wasteful --
paying a lawyer to find out something that's not of any particular
importance to me.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:26 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> >What about using campus streets?  Many people use them
>every day since
>> >they're the easiest route between certain residential areas and
>> >Starkville.  Are they stealing services from the university?
>> >--
>> Ask a lawyer about the use of the streets.
>
>I don't care enough.  Now that is what I would call rich and
>wasteful --
>paying a lawyer to find out something that's not of any particular
>importance to me.
>
>--
Mutant and silly as ever. I am sure we can search it on the internet or
Bethany can give her two cents if asked.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > One last time, and then I'll give up on the point(s):  If I spend less
> > money on food than you do, even though you eat all leftovers, then I
> > cannot see how you would consider me rich for not eating food I don't
> > want to eat.  That's just plain <illogical>.
>
> Joining these two topics is illogical. The total amount of money you spend
> on food is not at issue; we've been talking about the efficient use of
> resources. Throwing away leftovers is not good ROI.

Twas Alec who joined the two topics, not I.  He's the one who mentioned
"rich" in the thread.  As for efficient use of resources, I find it
quite efficient to eat less rather than more.  As I've said, I see no
point at all in forcing that leftover pasta down my gullet at some
future point just so I could say "I'm a member of the clean-your-plate
club!"  I.e., "Not a single leftover is left behind!  I eat them all
every one!"

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>  If I were <against> leftovers in general, why did I bother to separate
> all that
>leftover stuff this morning into a bunch of containers that are now in
>the freezer?    -- Natalie

Here is another Natalie technique to win an argument.  She withholds a
crucial piece of information until well into the argument when we find out,
in this case, that whether or not leftovers are still good in the 'frig two
or three days after the initial meal is, in fact, not the point because she
does freeze leftovers.  We didn't know that when the discussion began.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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I am off soon to celebrate Shavuot.

alec

For those that care, background on the holiday is below:


http://www.holidays.net/shavuot/

http://www.jewfaq.org/holidayc.htm

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > One last time, and then I'll give up on the point(s):  If I spend
>> less money on food than you do, even though you eat all leftovers,
>> then I cannot see how you would consider me rich for not eating food
>> I don't want to eat.  That's just plain <illogical>.
>>
>> Joining these two topics is illogical. The total amount of money you
>> spend on food is not at issue; we've been talking about the efficient
>> use of resources. Throwing away leftovers is not good ROI.
>
> Twas Alec who joined the two topics, not I.

No, it was you.

> He's the one who mentioned
> "rich" in the thread.

Yes, but that doesn't mean spending a lot of money on food; it can mean
not bothering to make maximum use of what you have. (Which is what he was
accusing you of.)

> As for efficient use of resources, I find it
> quite efficient to eat less rather than more.

Introducing yet a 3rd topic.

> As I've said, I see no
> point at all in forcing that leftover pasta down my gullet at some
> future point just so I could say "I'm a member of the clean-your-plate
> club!"  I.e., "Not a single leftover is left behind!  I eat them all
> every one!"

Onto Maximum Conflation Effect! Whoohoo!

Karen

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> >Symantec has announced that virus definitions dated 6/5/2003 (now
> >available through LiveUpdate) or later will detect
> >W32.Bugbear.B.

Here's one thing I don't like so well about the new computer.  Dell now
comes with a 90 day free trial of McAfee  rather than Symantic.  I don't
like it as well.  It's intrusive and unclear as to whether or not you have
all the latest virus definitions or not.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> >If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic changes," then I
> >certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
> >something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that that kind of
> >change is quite ordinary.     -- Natalie
>
> But it is odd and devious.
>
> Alec says:  It's a waste of food to not eat the leftovers from a party meal
> during the following week.
>
> Natalie says:  I don't believe in this stuff about eating everything on
> your plate whether you are hungry or not.
>
> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.
>
>           --bonniev@panax.com

Nevertheless, Natalie's diversionary point is very truly relevant
to all of words-l, and particularly to words-l discord:

>>Discourse analysis shows that that kind of change is quite
>>ordinary.

and it's only cheating when the other guy does it.

*sigh* and yes, guy is gender-neutral in my dialect - I grew
up bawling "hey, you guys, c'mere - get a load of these groovy
gogo boots!" or whatever.

clo

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> >If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic changes," then I
> >certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
> >something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that that kind of
> >change is quite ordinary.     -- Natalie
>
> But it is odd and devious.
>
> Alec says:  It's a waste of food to not eat the leftovers from a party meal
> during the following week.
>
> Natalie says:  I don't believe in this stuff about eating everything on
> your plate whether you are hungry or not.
>
> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.

Well, if I'm to stay on the list, then you'll just have to live with it
(or make a kill-file).  I see nothing the least bit devious or odd or
deceptive about it.  I accept that Alec and Karen think it's wasteful
not to eat everything.  I disagree.  I do not believe in the
clean-your-plate philosophy.  If you see that as changing a topic, so be
it.  I don't see it as changing a topic at all.  As for winning a point,
a point in what game?  I thought we were comparing our attitudes toward
food.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonnie Voigtlander
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:32 PM
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>
>
>> >Symantec has announced that virus definitions dated 6/5/2003 (now
>> >available through LiveUpdate) or later will detect
>> >W32.Bugbear.B.
>
>Here's one thing I don't like so well about the new computer.  Dell now
>comes with a 90 day free trial of McAfee  rather than
>Symantic.  I don't
>like it as well.  It's intrusive and unclear as to whether or
>not you have
>all the latest virus definitions or not.
>
>
>          --bonniev@panax.com
>

If it was not theft, I would send you a copy of Norton. Come work for Penn
and get a free copy.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Thanks. That is correct. I never compared our food spending. I know I spend
> more then you spend on food. I am not debating this topic at all.

But I am rich for spending less on food.  Ok.  End of thread, afaic.  I
am rich because I don't make myself eat everything that comes through my
door.  I am content to accept your view of it, even though I will never
see it as logical unless I am spending more on food than somebody who
does insist on eating everything that comes through the door.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> I see nothing the least bit devious or odd or
> deceptive about it.

Of course not.

> I accept that Alec and Karen think it's wasteful
> not to eat everything.  I disagree.  I do not believe in the
> clean-your-plate philosophy.

Nor do I. But I do believe in maximizing ROI. Efficient use of resources
is not the same as "the clean-your-plate philosophy" no matter how much
you bleat that they are.

Karen

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> >Through the years I have thrown away far more
> >work-related stuff at home than I have home-related stuff on campus.
> >It's going to get pretty complicated if we have to start keeping careful
> >track of whether garbage is more work-related or home-related and being
> >sure to throw it in the garbage of the appropriate entity.
> >  -- Natalie
>
> Another subtle change of topic to win a point.  We were not talking about
> home or work-related garbage.  We were talking about disposing of garbage
> at the site where the garbage is created.

We who?  I was talking all along about home or work-related garbage.  I
made no change whatsoever in the topic.  At least around here it is
considered totally acceptable for people to throw away on campus
leftover stuff from lunches created at home.  And, afaik, it is ok with
the Starkville people to throw away on the curb garbage that was created
on campus.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:34 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>>
>> >If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic
>changes," then I
>> >certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
>> >something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that
>that kind of
>> >change is quite ordinary.     -- Natalie
>>
>> But it is odd and devious.
>>
>> Alec says:  It's a waste of food to not eat the leftovers
>from a party meal
>> during the following week.
>>
>> Natalie says:  I don't believe in this stuff about eating
>everything on
>> your plate whether you are hungry or not.
>>
>> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.
>
>Well, if I'm to stay on the list, then you'll just have to live with it
>(or make a kill-file).  I see nothing the least bit devious or odd or
>deceptive about it.  I accept that Alec and Karen think it's wasteful
>not to eat everything.  I disagree.  I do not believe in the
>clean-your-plate philosophy.  If you see that as changing a
>topic, so be
>it.  I don't see it as changing a topic at all.  As for
>winning a point,
>a point in what game?  I thought we were comparing our attitudes toward
>food.
>
>--
Natalie,

Don't state philosophy we never stated. It is a good deception, but
cheating.

I NEVER claimed the clean-your-plate philosophy. I claimed that wasting
cooked food is bad thing. With refrigeration, waste should nearly zero.
Unless you don't enjoy your own cooking. I make something I like, then I
enjoy leftovers even more.  It happens when the container gets forced to
back of the fridge and dies a horrible death.



alec

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>If it was not theft, I would send you a copy of Norton. Come work for Penn
>and get a free copy.           --alec

Sadly, I'm already bought into Norton with some months remaining on my
subscription.  But I don't think I can prove it because the registration
information died with the hard drive.  Very likely, I'll wait my 90 days
with McAfee and then buy into Norton again.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:37 PM
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Thanks. That is correct. I never compared our food spending.
>I know I spend
>> more then you spend on food. I am not debating this topic at all.
>
>But I am rich for spending less on food.  Ok.  End of thread, afaic.  I
>am rich because I don't make myself eat everything that comes
>through my
>door.  I am content to accept your view of it, even though I will never
>see it as logical unless I am spending more on food than somebody who
>does insist on eating everything that comes through the door.
>
>--
How are you so sure you spend less on food then me?

alec

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> >  If I were <against> leftovers in general, why did I bother to separate
> > all that
> >leftover stuff this morning into a bunch of containers that are now in
> >the freezer?    -- Natalie
>
> Here is another Natalie technique to win an argument.  She withholds a
> crucial piece of information until well into the argument when we find out,
> in this case, that whether or not leftovers are still good in the 'frig two
> or three days after the initial meal is, in fact, not the point because she
> does freeze leftovers.  We didn't know that when the discussion began.

HUH??  I said ages ago that I had frozen some of the leftovers.  And why
you would assume that I wasn't, I have no idea.  I thought the point we
had been debating was my saying that I was going to throw away some of
the leftover pasta, shoving the shrimp around and concentrating on it.
I said that at the very beginning of this discussion of throwing away
food.

And what, btw, do you think we are <arguing> about?  Iow, what is it
that you think I'm trying to <win>?  I accept totally that Alec and
Karen think it's bad to throw away any food.  I am not trying to
<convert> them -- to <win them over> to my <side>.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I NEVER claimed the clean-your-plate philosophy. I claimed that wasting
> cooked food is bad thing. With refrigeration, waste should nearly zero.
> Unless you don't enjoy your own cooking. I make something I like, then I
> enjoy leftovers even more.  It happens when the container gets forced to
> back of the fridge and dies a horrible death.
>
> alec

I hope and assume that  by "it" in "It happens", you mean that
food is wasted, rather than that you enjoy the leftovers even
more! ;)
On the other hand, <somebody> had to discover yogurt,
blue cheese, and the like.

I will never forget the look on my father's (from upstate NY)
face when my mother (from agricultural NC) picked up a bowl
of pudding-like leftover "milk", calmly said, "what are you
talking about? It's not spoiled; it's clabber. There's nothing
wrong with it", and took a spoonful. And in fact, it was
"clabbered" milk, a naturally occurring yogurt.

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Twas Alec who joined the two topics, not I.
>
> No, it was you.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree.

> > He's the one who mentioned
> > "rich" in the thread.
>
> Yes, but that doesn't mean spending a lot of money on food; it can mean
> not bothering to make maximum use of what you have. (Which is what he was
> accusing you of.)

Right.  He was accusing me of not making myself eat food I don't want to
eat -- not being a clean-your-plater.  He said that made me rich.  (NB:
Clean-your-plater means, as I've said repeatedly, one who eats all food
that enters the door because it is <wasteful> not to.)

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    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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>How are you so sure you spend less on food then me?
>alec

Make her factor into it her spending $1000 every three or four years on
food and booze for a big Christmas party.

The bad things about families ( like this <service>) is that they never forget.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left Words-l.
They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room with no
logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I just
regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.


alec

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> >>Discourse analysis shows that that kind of change is quite
> >>ordinary.
>
> and it's only cheating when the other guy does it.

Yep.  It is things like today's discussion that have made me think
repeatedly through the years that I must be masochistic to stay on
Words-L.  But I keep staying.  As I'm sure I've mentioned before,
Words-L is the only context in my life that I've ever felt even the
slightest hint of paranoia.  And it's pretty constant here.  Do I need
to visit a shrink and find out why I stay here?  Now that sounds
<expensive>.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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LMAO...  This worm has just hit administration here at URI... It's
forwarding everyone's personal notes around to a number of recipients...
'makes for entertaining reading for many, embarrassing reading for a few
|-o

'Alan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
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> A new virus.
>
>
> alec
>
> >>Hi folks,
> >
>
> >
> >This is an alert regarding W32.Sobig.C@mm, a mass-mailing worm
> >which has
> >been spreading rapidly since yesterday.  Infected messages forge the
> >"From:" header to make messages appear to be coming from
> >"bill@microsoft.com."  This worm affects machines running
> >Windows 95, 98,
> >ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  The worm arrives with an email
> >attachment, which,
> >if executed, will email itself to email addresses found in .wab, .dbx,
> >.htm, .html, .eml, and .txt files on the local hard drive.
> >
> >Symantec AntiVirus virus definitions dated June 1, 2003 or later will
> >detect W32.Sobig.C.  There have been a some reports of W32.Sobig.C@mm
> >hitting campus so far.  The worm will deactivate itself on
> >June 8, 2003.
> >
> >
> >Characteristics
> >---------------
> >
> >W32.Sobig.C@mm is a mass-mailing worm, which forges a "From" address of
> >bill@microsoft.com.  It propagates itself to email addresses
> >it finds on
> >the local hard drive with these extensions:
> >
> >.wab
> >.dbx
> >.htm
> >.html
> >.eml
> >.txt
> >
> >The subject line of the e-mail message is one of the following:
> >
> >Re: Movie
> >Re: Submited (004756-3463)
> >Re: 45443-343556
> >Re: Approved
> >Approved
> >Re: Your application
> >Re: Application
> >
> >and has one of the following attachment files:
> >
> >screensaver.scr
> >movie.pif
> >submited.pif
> >45443.pif
> >documents.pif
> >approved.pif
> >application.pif
> >document.pif
> >
> >
> >The worm also tries to copy itself to the following network shares:
> >Document and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
> >Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
> >
> >
> >When W32.Sobig.C@mm is executed, it performs the following actions:
> >
> >1. Copies itself as %Windir%\mscvb32.exe.
> >
> >NOTE: %Windir% is a variable. The worm locates the Windows installation
> >folder (by default, this is C:\Windows or C:\Winnt) and copies
> >itself to
> >that location.
> >
> >2. Creates the following files:
> >- %Windir%\msddr.dll
> >- %Windir%\msddr.dat
> >
> >3. Adds the value:
> >
> >"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
> >
> >to the registry key:
> >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
> >
> >so that W32.Sobig.C@mm runs when you start Windows.
> >
> >4. If the operating system is Windows NT/2000/XP, then the
> >worm will also
> >add the value:
> >
> >"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
> >
> >to the registry key:
> >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
> >
> >5. Counts out the Network Resources and copies itself to the following
> >folders:
> >Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
> >Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
> >
> >6. Attempts to download data from four different GeoCities Web
> >pages. The
> >addresses of these Web pages are stored in the aforementioned
> >.ini files.
> >
> >The payload for W32.Sobig.C@mm will deactivate on 6/08/2003, so no
> >further infections are expected after 6/07/2003.
> >
> >
> >Recovery
> >--------
> >
> >Recovery from W32.Sobig.C requires downloading and running a
> >removal tool
> >from Symantec.  Please see
> >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sob
> ig.c.removal.tool.html
> to download the tool and for instructions concerning using the tool and
> manual removal if you deem necessary.
>
>
> Protection
> ----------
>
> Symantec AntiVirus definitions dated 6/01/2003 or later will protect
> against W32.Sobig.C@mm.
>
> For more information, please see:
>
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c@mm.html
> http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/sobig_c.shtml
>
http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_SOBIG.C
> http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100343.htm
> http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32sobigc.html

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
To: "'English Language Discussion Group'" <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: RE: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.C@mm**
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Alan,

Sounds like Bugbear, not Sobig. Sobig creates junk mail, not personal notes
getting forwarded.


alec


>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Wild
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.C@mm**
>
>
>LMAO...  This worm has just hit administration here at URI... It's
>forwarding everyone's personal notes around to a number of
>recipients...
>'makes for entertaining reading for many, embarrassing reading
>for a few
>|-o
>
>'Alan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
>To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>Sent: Monday, 02 June, 2003 1:51 PM
>Subject: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.C@mm**
>
>
>> A new virus.
>>
>>
>> alec
>>
>> >>Hi folks,
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >This is an alert regarding W32.Sobig.C@mm, a mass-mailing worm
>> >which has
>> >been spreading rapidly since yesterday.  Infected messages forge the
>> >"From:" header to make messages appear to be coming from
>> >"bill@microsoft.com."  This worm affects machines running
>> >Windows 95, 98,
>> >ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  The worm arrives with an email
>> >attachment, which,
>> >if executed, will email itself to email addresses found in
>.wab, .dbx,
>> >.htm, .html, .eml, and .txt files on the local hard drive.
>> >
>> >Symantec AntiVirus virus definitions dated June 1, 2003 or
>later will
>> >detect W32.Sobig.C.  There have been a some reports of
>W32.Sobig.C@mm
>> >hitting campus so far.  The worm will deactivate itself on
>> >June 8, 2003.
>> >
>> >
>> >Characteristics
>> >---------------
>> >
>> >W32.Sobig.C@mm is a mass-mailing worm, which forges a
>"From" address of
>> >bill@microsoft.com.  It propagates itself to email addresses
>> >it finds on
>> >the local hard drive with these extensions:
>> >
>> >.wab
>> >.dbx
>> >.htm
>> >.html
>> >.eml
>> >.txt
>> >
>> >The subject line of the e-mail message is one of the following:
>> >
>> >Re: Movie
>> >Re: Submited (004756-3463)
>> >Re: 45443-343556
>> >Re: Approved
>> >Approved
>> >Re: Your application
>> >Re: Application
>> >
>> >and has one of the following attachment files:
>> >
>> >screensaver.scr
>> >movie.pif
>> >submited.pif
>> >45443.pif
>> >documents.pif
>> >approved.pif
>> >application.pif
>> >document.pif
>> >
>> >
>> >The worm also tries to copy itself to the following network shares:
>> >Document and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>> >Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>> >
>> >
>> >When W32.Sobig.C@mm is executed, it performs the following actions:
>> >
>> >1. Copies itself as %Windir%\mscvb32.exe.
>> >
>> >NOTE: %Windir% is a variable. The worm locates the Windows
>installation
>> >folder (by default, this is C:\Windows or C:\Winnt) and copies
>> >itself to
>> >that location.
>> >
>> >2. Creates the following files:
>> >- %Windir%\msddr.dll
>> >- %Windir%\msddr.dat
>> >
>> >3. Adds the value:
>> >
>> >"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
>> >
>> >to the registry key:
>> >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
>> >
>> >so that W32.Sobig.C@mm runs when you start Windows.
>> >
>> >4. If the operating system is Windows NT/2000/XP, then the
>> >worm will also
>> >add the value:
>> >
>> >"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
>> >
>> >to the registry key:
>> >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
>> >
>> >5. Counts out the Network Resources and copies itself to
>the following
>> >folders:
>> >Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
>> >Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>> >
>> >6. Attempts to download data from four different GeoCities Web
>> >pages. The
>> >addresses of these Web pages are stored in the aforementioned
>> >.ini files.
>> >
>> >The payload for W32.Sobig.C@mm will deactivate on 6/08/2003, so no
>> >further infections are expected after 6/07/2003.
>> >
>> >
>> >Recovery
>> >--------
>> >
>> >Recovery from W32.Sobig.C requires downloading and running a
>> >removal tool
>> >from Symantec.  Please see
>> >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sob
>> ig.c.removal.tool.html
>> to download the tool and for instructions concerning using
>the tool and
>> manual removal if you deem necessary.
>>
>>
>> Protection
>> ----------
>>
>> Symantec AntiVirus definitions dated 6/01/2003 or later will protect
>> against W32.Sobig.C@mm.
>>
>> For more information, please see:
>>
>> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c@mm.html
>> http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/sobig_c.shtml
>>
>http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName
=WORM_SOBIG.C
> http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100343.htm
> http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32sobigc.html

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Just had word . .
>
> His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> in Florida.

Wonderful Wonderful Wonderful

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I accept that Alec and Karen think it's wasteful
> > not to eat everything.  I disagree.  I do not believe in the
> > clean-your-plate philosophy.
>
> Nor do I. But I do believe in maximizing ROI. Efficient use of resources
> is not the same as "the clean-your-plate philosophy" no matter how much
> you bleat that they are.

I've never heard of ROI before, but making yourself eat food you don't
want is what you and Alec are promoting.  If I said to you (which you'd
know would be a lie since I've already admitted throwing it away, but
let's pretend you don't know that), "You've convinced me!  I'm going to
save that leftover pasta and eat it next week," would you think I was
<doing a good thing> or <maximizing ROI>?  That would make me a
clean-your-plater, which is what you are quite obviously promoting, no
matter how much you bleat that your aren't.

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At 01:32 PM 6/5/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> > One last time, and then I'll give up on the point(s):  If I spend
> >> less money on food than you do, even though you eat all leftovers,
> >> then I cannot see how you would consider me rich for not eating food
> >> I don't want to eat.  That's just plain <illogical>.
> >>
> >> Joining these two topics is illogical. The total amount of money you
> >> spend on food is not at issue; we've been talking about the efficient
> >> use of resources. Throwing away leftovers is not good ROI.
> >
> > Twas Alec who joined the two topics, not I.
>
>No, it was you.
>
> > He's the one who mentioned
> > "rich" in the thread.
>
>Yes, but that doesn't mean spending a lot of money on food; it can mean
>not bothering to make maximum use of what you have. (Which is what he was
>accusing you of.)
>
> > As for efficient use of resources, I find it
> > quite efficient to eat less rather than more.
>
>Introducing yet a 3rd topic.
>
> > As I've said, I see no
> > point at all in forcing that leftover pasta down my gullet at some
> > future point just so I could say "I'm a member of the clean-your-plate
> > club!"  I.e., "Not a single leftover is left behind!  I eat them all
> > every one!"
>
>Onto Maximum Conflation Effect! Whoohoo!
>
>Karen

Ohmygod.  Now Karen is going to get involved.  LOL

Betty

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Carolyn Ostrander quoted:
>
> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> > I NEVER claimed the clean-your-plate philosophy. I claimed that wasting
> > cooked food is bad thing. With refrigeration, waste should nearly zero.
> > Unless you don't enjoy your own cooking. I make something I like, then I
> > enjoy leftovers even more.

I don't remember seeing this posting.  It's fine if you make something
you like and enjoy the leftovers.  I'm not suggesting that you should
not do that.  But you seem to be suggesting that I should eat food I
don't want just because it's there.  Enjoy my own cooking?  No, not
particularly, especially if it has involved dealing with dead
creatures.  I find it hard to eat any meat (general use of the word here
-- including fish and fowl) if I've had to see it raw.  I would always
prefer eating food that somebody else has cooked.

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> making yourself eat food you don't
> want is what you and Alec are promoting.

Not at all.

> If I said to you (which you'd
> know would be a lie since I've already admitted throwing it away,

I thought you froze it?

> but
> let's pretend you don't know that), "You've convinced me!  I'm going to
> save that leftover pasta and eat it next week," would you think I was
> <doing a good thing> or <maximizing ROI>?

I would suggest you freeze it if you're going to wait till next week.

> That would make me a
> clean-your-plater,

No.

See http://www.thewmurchannel.com/health/1345504/detail.html. It's
specifically eating all the food on your plate before you leave the table.
I don't care if you do that or not.

> which is what you are quite obviously promoting,

No. I'm just suggesting that your unrealistic stand on leftovers (saving
them for one day) might lead to unnecessary food wastage. I don't care how
much you eat or when, I'm just worried about you using what you have well.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> Right.  He was accusing me of not making myself eat food I don't want to
> eat -- not being a clean-your-plater.  He said that made me rich.  (NB:
> Clean-your-plater means, as I've said repeatedly, one who eats all food
> that enters the door because it is <wasteful> not to.)


        No, you said clean-your-plate behavior makes children obese
(actually, that your pediatrician said that).  Saving
leftovers for another meal has nothing to do with cleaning
your plate.  Actually, dividing a meal up appropriately and
saving what you don't want for later is actually helpful in
not becoming obese.  You are conflating two somewhat related
ideas, which you do often.

        Secondly, appreciating fine wine and cuisine is absolutely
considered sophisticated in Western culture.  I'm not sure
how you missed that.  Whether it is good or bad to be
sophisticated in this area is another somewhat related idea.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Bonnie Voigtlander quoted:
>
> >How are you so sure you spend less on food then me?
> >alec

I seem to be missing lots of Alec postings all of a sudden.  I haven't
seen this one.  I am not sure I spend less on food than you do.  I said
I would feel quite comfortable making such a bet.  You said then that
you thought it was probably true -- that you did spend more.  I'm basing
my guess on the kinds and amounts of food I tend to buy.

> Make her factor into it her spending $1000 every three or four years on
> food and booze for a big Christmas party.

Sure.  That wouldn't be a problem.  I've had only one such party in the
past eight or so years, but I'd even be willing to call that every three
or four years.  I must admit that I was not counting booze as food, but
I still think I'd come out ok.

Now if I had introduced that, whatchawanna bet Bonnie would have said
that introducing booze was a subtle and devious topic shift?  I don't
think it is.  I will readily admit that I don't think of things like
bourbon and wine as food, though I can see how maybe my view on that is
wrong.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I am sorry that you grew up in poverty, but I don't think that that
> makes somebody who prefers to eat less than you necessarily rich.


        Again, logic error.  Alec isn't eating less than you.  Given
that you two ate exactly same amount of food, you would be
buying more than he is because you are throwing away part of
what you buy, and he is not.  He eats nearly everything he
buys; you eat part of what you buy and throw the rest out.



--
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> Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
>> >If that is what y'all have meant about "subtle topic changes," then I
>> certainly agree that I do it regularly.  I had thought you had meant
>> something odd or devious.  Discourse analysis shows that that kind of
>> change is quite ordinary.     -- Natalie
>>
>> But it is odd and devious.
>>
>> Alec says:  It's a waste of food to not eat the leftovers from a party
>> meal during the following week.
>>
>> Natalie says:  I don't believe in this stuff about eating everything
>> on your plate whether you are hungry or not.
>>
>> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.
>>
>>           --bonniev@panax.com
>
> Nevertheless, Natalie's diversionary point is very truly relevant
> to all of words-l, and particularly to words-l discord:
>
>>>Discourse analysis shows that that kind of change is quite
>>>ordinary.
>
> and it's only cheating when the other guy does it.

Discourse analysis generally deals with speech, not writing. We accept a
lot more ambiguity in speech.

K

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At 04:49 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left Words-l.
>They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room with no
>logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I just
>regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.

You've been entertaining. It's nice to see different people get taken along.

Betty

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At 03:52 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > >>Discourse analysis shows that that kind of change is quite
> > >>ordinary.
> >
> > and it's only cheating when the other guy does it.
>
>Yep.  It is things like today's discussion that have made me think
>repeatedly through the years that I must be masochistic to stay on
>Words-L.  But I keep staying.  As I'm sure I've mentioned before,
>Words-L is the only context in my life that I've ever felt even the
>slightest hint of paranoia.  And it's pretty constant here.  Do I need
>to visit a shrink and find out why I stay here?  Now that sounds
><expensive>.

If it weren't for you, there would be no words-l.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>
>>Whether your mutant self believes it or not, you are stealing services from
>>your university. They might not care, but I am sure it is theft. A lawyer
>>can answer it better then me.
>>
>
> If this is true, then it means I have stolen much more from my city than
> from my university.  Through the years I have thrown away far more
> work-related stuff at home than I have home-related stuff on campus.
> It's going to get pretty complicated if we have to start keeping careful
> track of whether garbage is more work-related or home-related and being
> sure to throw it in the garbage of the appropriate entity.
>
> What about using campus streets?  Many people use them every day since
> they're the easiest route between certain residential areas and
> Starkville.  Are they stealing services from the university?


        Natalie is so scrupulous about so many things, I'm surprised
she didn't know that you can't use somebody else's dumpster
for your trash.  It's been a misdemeanor everywhere I've
ever lived, but of course I haven't lived in Starkville.

        Again, she is conflating two related but different ideas!



--
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The Acadiafest t-shirt is the same color as my favorite
t-shirt from Canada, which is starting to get really ratty
looking.  I am happy to have a replacement.



--
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Alan Wild wrote:

> LMAO...  This worm has just hit administration here at URI... It's
> forwarding everyone's personal notes around to a number of recipients...
> 'makes for entertaining reading for many, embarrassing reading for a few

    Hey, so THAT'S where the URI message in my inbox came from!  Nothing
interesting, however.

JMW

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At 03:56 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > Just had word . .
> >
> > His plane is touching down as we speak,
> >
> > in Florida.
>
>Wonderful Wonderful Wonderful

Sylvia!  Do you eat leftovers?

Betty

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/4/2003, 2:58 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> RC>         LOL.  Yeah, peace and quiet.  I get *so* much of that.
>
>   Understand that.  But, you're a hell of a lot better off than a
>   Missouri woman of 1870 or 1820 aren't you?


        I have a hard time thinking of myself as making it out here
at that time, but regardless:  In 1820, if I were middle
class (married to a professional man as I am now), I would
have household help -- at least a cook and a maid.  I would
not be working outside the home.  I would not have to worry
about somebody snatching my daughter off the street.  Maybe
I would have been better off in some ways.




--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The most deeply held opinion seems to be about Tushar.  Maybe I should
>>>>court him and ask him to be my cyber personal tutor - disarm him, so to
>>>>speak.  But then again, he may be the terribly resentful type.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Lynn, don't you believe it. Tushar is a gentleman and a saint, to put up
>>>with all the crap we give him. Just don't compliment him; it won't be
>>>pretty. But if you think <that's> scary, I made the mistake of asking
>>>Rita to be my cybermentor!
>>>
>>        You did not.
>>
>>        And everybody knows I'm as sweet as pie.
>>
>
> I distinctly remember asking to sit at your feet and learn cybermanners;
> but your "fuck off" was very sweetly delivered!


        I told Karen to fuck off, not you.  Maybe you're just being
overly sensitive.




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Karen Kay wrote:

> > If I said to you (which you'd
> > know would be a lie since I've already admitted throwing it away,
>
> I thought you froze it?

No.  That is what led to our dumpster discussion -- my saying that I was
going to toss it into the dumpster when I went to the p.o. this
afternoon, which I did (in a garbage bag -- I didn't fling handfuls of
loose pasta into the dumpster).


> > That would make me a
> > clean-your-plater,
>
> No.
>
> See http://www.thewmurchannel.com/health/1345504/detail.html. It's
> specifically eating all the food on your plate before you leave the table.
> I don't care if you do that or not.

I do think a large part of our communication problem is literalist vs
metaphoricalist.  I *know* what the expression clean-your-plate means.
It's an expression normally used with children to make them eat all the
food on their plate at a given meal.  And I *know* that's not what you
and Alec are talking about.  You are talking about saving some of it and
eating it at another meal.  My use of clean-your-plate in this context
is metaphorical -- as in don't throw away any food.  I think it is
closely related to the literal clean-your-plate idea, which is why I
mentioned that story of my pediatrician's statement against it.  It is
the idea of "all food must be eaten, whether you want to eat it or
not."  Whether it's at one meal or more than one meal, it's still a
matter of eating food you don't want to eat.

> No. I'm just suggesting that your unrealistic stand on leftovers (saving
> them for one day) might lead to unnecessary food wastage. I don't care how
> much you eat or when, I'm just worried about you using what you have well.

I freeze leftovers if I want to keep them for more than a day.  I see
nothing wrong with being <conservative> in my worries about possible
food spoilage.  If I don't want to eat the food in the future, then I
don't, in your view, <use what I have well>.  I throw it away instead of
making myself eat it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         No, you said clean-your-plate behavior makes children obese
> (actually, that your pediatrician said that).  Saving

I did NOT say (nor did I say that my pediatrician said)
"clean-your-plate behavior makes children obese."  Plenty of children
have grown up that way and never been obese.  I said that my
pediatrician said that it contributed to the overall problem of
childhood obesity.  I thought it was clear that she meant that it could
encourage obesity in general -- as in make *some* children obese.

> Actually, dividing a meal up appropriately and
> saving what you don't want for later is actually helpful in
> not becoming obese.

I can't see how making yourself eat more food -- i.e., eating something
you would otherwise throw away -- could help prevent obesity.  It's
eating more food period.  As I said earlier, I can't see anything to be
<gained> by forcing it into your stomach instead of into the garbage.
It doesn't matter *when*.

> You are conflating two somewhat related
> ideas, which you do often.

Quitting time.  Obviously I'm the one at fault.  All of you are always
logical.  So, to use Karen's famous phrase, just fuck it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 10:30 PM 6/4/2003 -0700, Bookrat wrote:
>At 2:21 PM -0700 6/4/03, Betty Clark wrote:
> >Lots of closed door meetings here,
> >too. No one seems able to make a decision.
>
>And that would differ from times of economic normalcy...exactly how?

True enough but they seem to have increased and more whispering in the
hallways.

Betty

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Dan Lester wrote:


> Me either.  But then I'm looking forward to retirement in five or six
> years. But they'd find it easier if they let the kids do more of their
> own stuff.  We have some great next door neighbors and their kids get
> taken a few places, but the kids get themselves to school, to church
> events, to athletics, to music lessons, and so forth, unlike so many
> others.  Sure, they could cart them all over, but they don't, which I
> think is good for both the parents and the kids.


        I'd have children's services on my ass if my daughter were
walking the 3 or so miles each way to school, across town
(including crossing several major highways) for her soccer
games, etc.   A cop seeing a 7-year-old wandering up Rt 67
would for sure pick her up and bring her back to my door.

        Good thing I don't drive a dam van.

        Get a little more judgemental why don't you, Dan.





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Dan Lester wrote:
> >
> > 6/4/2003, 1:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > NM> And the shrimp peelings, old sprouted garlic, and assorted other stinky
> > NM> garbage are in the campus dumpster behind the p.o., where the stink
> > NM> won't offend anybody except maybe very briefly while walking by it.
> > NM> Nobody is in that area for extended periods of time.  Started to keep
> > NM> the garbage since tomorrow is garbage day but needed to go to the p.o.
> > NM> anyway.
> >
> > Isn't this a violation of rules, if not law?
>
> No.  Not that I know of.
>
> > Your garbage can isn't
> > tight enough, or far enough from your guests, to be effective?
>
> I don't use a garbage can.  I still have one, but it fills with rain and
> gets horribly messy.  I've been trying to figure out how to throw it
> away.

Why not put the garbage can in the dumpster?

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 03:56 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > > Just had word . .
> > >
> > > His plane is touching down as we speak,
> > >
> > > in Florida.
> >
> >Wonderful Wonderful Wonderful
>
> Sylvia!  Do you eat leftovers?

Yes.  I cook ONCE a week and eat the left overs the rest of the week.
If I get tired of eating the same thing night after night, I freeze
individual servings for future eating of leftovers.


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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In a message dated 06/05/2003 4:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
If it weren't for you, there would be no words-l.

>>

I agree.  Natalie, you and Betty are two of the reasons I stay.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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>        I'd have children's services on my ass if my daughter were
>walking the 3 or so miles each way to school, across town
>(including crossing several major highways) for her soccer
>games, etc.                --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I was thinking about this sort of thing today as I was out and about in a
car on the streets of Bar Harbor at an unusual time of day for me.  It was
around 3:00 p.m. and the Bar Harbor grade school was about to let
out.  There were three cars parked at a crosswalk on Highway 3 which is
Eden Street at that point.  They aren't supposed to do that.  They were
parents waiting for the kids to come out of school on this rather chilly,
rainy day.  Here all but first and second graders may not use the school
buses if they live within two miles of the school.  But some parents must
think their little ones are too fragile to survive the cold rain.  I
remember how grateful I was when my mother showed up at St. Dominic's to
give Rose Ann and me a ride home when it was raining.

Anyway, I was wondering how many wordslers live in a small enough town
where the kids can safely walk home from school.  Not Rita and Ana.


          --bonniev@panax.com

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yup... that's it ;-)   It was forwarding confidentials around here at URI.

Check out the Californian issue at "Disclosing Security Breaches" at
http://chronicle.com/infotech/

'Al(an)


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> Alan,
>
> Sounds like Bugbear, not Sobig. Sobig creates junk mail, not personal
notes
> getting forwarded.
>
>
> alec
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Wild
> >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:52 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.C@mm**
> >
> >
> >LMAO...  This worm has just hit administration here at URI... It's
> >forwarding everyone's personal notes around to a number of
> >recipients...
> >'makes for entertaining reading for many, embarrassing reading
> >for a few
> >|-o
> >
> >'Alan
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
> >To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >Sent: Monday, 02 June, 2003 1:51 PM
> >Subject: FW: **Virus Alert -- W32.Sobig.C@mm**
> >
> >
> >> A new virus.
> >>
> >>
> >> alec
> >>
> >> >>Hi folks,
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >This is an alert regarding W32.Sobig.C@mm, a mass-mailing worm
> >> >which has
> >> >been spreading rapidly since yesterday.  Infected messages forge the
> >> >"From:" header to make messages appear to be coming from
> >> >"bill@microsoft.com."  This worm affects machines running
> >> >Windows 95, 98,
> >> >ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  The worm arrives with an email
> >> >attachment, which,
> >> >if executed, will email itself to email addresses found in
> >.wab, .dbx,
> >> >.htm, .html, .eml, and .txt files on the local hard drive.
> >> >
> >> >Symantec AntiVirus virus definitions dated June 1, 2003 or
> >later will
> >> >detect W32.Sobig.C.  There have been a some reports of
> >W32.Sobig.C@mm
> >> >hitting campus so far.  The worm will deactivate itself on
> >> >June 8, 2003.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Characteristics
> >> >---------------
> >> >
> >> >W32.Sobig.C@mm is a mass-mailing worm, which forges a
> >"From" address of
> >> >bill@microsoft.com.  It propagates itself to email addresses
> >> >it finds on
> >> >the local hard drive with these extensions:
> >> >
> >> >.wab
> >> >.dbx
> >> >.htm
> >> >.html
> >> >.eml
> >> >.txt
> >> >
> >> >The subject line of the e-mail message is one of the following:
> >> >
> >> >Re: Movie
> >> >Re: Submited (004756-3463)
> >> >Re: 45443-343556
> >> >Re: Approved
> >> >Approved
> >> >Re: Your application
> >> >Re: Application
> >> >
> >> >and has one of the following attachment files:
> >> >
> >> >screensaver.scr
> >> >movie.pif
> >> >submited.pif
> >> >45443.pif
> >> >documents.pif
> >> >approved.pif
> >> >application.pif
> >> >document.pif
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The worm also tries to copy itself to the following network shares:
> >> >Document and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
> >> >Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >When W32.Sobig.C@mm is executed, it performs the following actions:
> >> >
> >> >1. Copies itself as %Windir%\mscvb32.exe.
> >> >
> >> >NOTE: %Windir% is a variable. The worm locates the Windows
> >installation
> >> >folder (by default, this is C:\Windows or C:\Winnt) and copies
> >> >itself to
> >> >that location.
> >> >
> >> >2. Creates the following files:
> >> >- %Windir%\msddr.dll
> >> >- %Windir%\msddr.dat
> >> >
> >> >3. Adds the value:
> >> >
> >> >"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
> >> >
> >> >to the registry key:
> >> >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
> >> >
> >> >so that W32.Sobig.C@mm runs when you start Windows.
> >> >
> >> >4. If the operating system is Windows NT/2000/XP, then the
> >> >worm will also
> >> >add the value:
> >> >
> >> >"System MScvb"="%Windir%\mscvb32.exe"
> >> >
> >> >to the registry key:
> >> >HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
> >> >
> >> >5. Counts out the Network Resources and copies itself to
> >the following
> >> >folders:
> >> >Windows\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
> >> >Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
> >> >
> >> >6. Attempts to download data from four different GeoCities Web
> >> >pages. The
> >> >addresses of these Web pages are stored in the aforementioned
> >> >.ini files.
> >> >
> >> >The payload for W32.Sobig.C@mm will deactivate on 6/08/2003, so no
> >> >further infections are expected after 6/07/2003.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Recovery
> >> >--------
> >> >
> >> >Recovery from W32.Sobig.C requires downloading and running a
> >> >removal tool
> >> >from Symantec.  Please see
> >> >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sob
> >> ig.c.removal.tool.html
> >> to download the tool and for instructions concerning using
> >the tool and
> >> manual removal if you deem necessary.
> >>
> >>
> >> Protection
> >> ----------
> >>
> >> Symantec AntiVirus definitions dated 6/01/2003 or later will protect
> >> against W32.Sobig.C@mm.
> >>
> >> For more information, please see:
> >>
> >> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.c@mm.html
> >> http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/sobig_c.shtml
> >>
> >http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName
> =WORM_SOBIG.C
> > http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100343.htm
> > http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32sobigc.html

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Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

> Anyway, I was wondering how many wordslers live in a small enough town
> where the kids can safely walk home from school.  Not Rita and Ana.

Wouldn't that depend on where they live in relation to the school?  Or
are you talking about towns so small that all schools are within walking
distance of all parts of town?  I'm thinking right now about where my
house is in relation to the Starkville schools.  None would be in really
close walking distance.  One (the one that I think is for 2nd grade --
they change the schools/grades at times, so I'm never sure which grade
is where) would be in fairly reasonable walking distance -- it could be
walked in thirty minutes or so.  The one that's something like 7th-8th
grades is not extremely far away, but getting to it would be dangerous
since it would involve walking along a very busy street (a U.S. highway)
with no sidewalks.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 05:48 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 06/05/2003 4:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
>bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><<
>If it weren't for you, there would be no words-l.
>
> >>
>
>I agree.  Natalie, you and Betty are two of the reasons I stay.

Thank you, Evelyn.  Have you heard from Theo?

Betty

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At 03:34 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Well, if I'm to stay on the list, then you'll just have to live with it
>(or make a kill-file).  I see nothing the least bit devious or odd or
>deceptive about it.

..talk about a cry for therapy...

cwv

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At 03:52 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Yep.  It is things like today's discussion that have made me think
>repeatedly through the years that I must be masochistic to stay on
>Words-L.  But I keep staying.

...yet another cry for therapy...

cwv

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At 04:03 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't remember seeing this posting.

Hmmm.  Short-term memory loss...

cwv

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> After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left
Words-l.
> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room
with no
> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I
just
> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
>
>
> alec

Been there.  Done that.  Stayed.

         - D. M.

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Did you know you can now buy a
digital throw-away camera?

Did you ever . . . .?
What will they think of next?

                 - D. M.

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In a message dated 06/05/2003 5:17:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Thank you, Evelyn.  Have you heard from Theo?

>>

Not for a few weeks now.  I did tell her about Alyce, and
I have her new AOL address, so I'll send her a "Hi!"
message.

I'm glad AOL transports the address book; that's one
less thing I'll have to move.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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Doris:
> His plane is touching down as we speak,

Please pass along a "Well done, sir!",
as well as a simple "thanks, man".

--
Richard     now we get moose and squirrel

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dashdashbonnie:
> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.

What with Dan lurking about lately,
I've been expecting a

Typical Natalie Bullshit

post.

--
Richard     now we get moose and squirrel

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alec:
>leftovers, helped make ends meet.

...and which often taste better the
next day anyway.

--
Richard, raised by Depression kids

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Doris, please give him our thanks.  We're glad he's
returned home.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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At 06:18 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>alec:
> >leftovers, helped make ends meet.
>
>...and which often taste better the
>next day anyway.

Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.

Betty

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>Did you know you can now buy a
>digital throw-away camera?
>                  - D. M.

No, I didn't know this.  I've seen that tv commercial but I thought it was
simply film that can be turned into a CD which is old news.  Where can I
buy a digital throw-away??  I'll buy myself two for my birthday if they are
cheap enough.


          dashdashbonnie

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 06:18 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> alec:
>> >leftovers, helped make ends meet.
>>
>> ...and which often taste better the
>> next day anyway.
>
>
> Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.


        And creamed chicken.  Mmmm.  I need to make up a big batch of
that next week.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 3:05:10 PM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
> This is the third computer of
> ours that we've given to him.

Now *that's* posting rich.

Karen

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 4:22:27 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I do think a large part of our communication problem is literalist vs
> metaphoricalist.  I *know* what the expression clean-your-plate means.
> It's an expression normally used with children to make them eat all the
> food on their plate at a given meal.  And I *know* that's not what you
> and Alec are talking about.

Good for you!

> You are talking about saving some of it and
> eating it at another meal.  My use of clean-your-plate in this context
> is metaphorical -- as in don't throw away any food.

That's not metaphorical, that's not what it means.

> I think it is
> closely related to the literal clean-your-plate idea,

Ah.

I don't. But that's obvious--I've never been a clean-your-plater.

> It is
> the idea of "all food must be eaten, whether you want to eat it or
> not."  Whether it's at one meal or more than one meal, it's still a
> matter of eating food you don't want to eat.

This must be a big issue for you, since you keep mentioning it. I'm
sorry you've been forced to eat food you don't want to.

But that's never been what anyone else except you was talking about.

> I freeze leftovers if I want to keep them for more than a day.  I see
> nothing wrong with being <conservative> in my worries about possible
> food spoilage.

It's bizarre, but only erring on the extreme side of conservatism.

> If I don't want to eat the food in the future, then I
> don't, in your view, <use what I have well>.  I throw it away instead of
> making myself eat it.

Yes.

Karen

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 3:48:45 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> He was accusing me of not making myself eat food I don't want to
> eat -- not being a clean-your-plater.

No and no. Both of those constructs are yours.

> He said that made me rich.

No, he said throwing away good food made you sound as if you were
posting rich.

>   (NB:
> Clean-your-plater means, as I've said repeatedly, one who eats all food
> that enters the door because it is <wasteful> not to.)

And 'tall' means everyone over 4'6".

Karen

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 6:51:34 AM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:29:41 PM, steph wrote:
= >> So I suppose it's good to know that hanging out
= >> here does have a positive effect on my vocabulary.
> =
> = In the OLD DAYS, we lived overseas without the Internet and let our
> = native language deteriorate! The kids these days...
> =
> = Karen

> and you don't think it isn't?

I think the rate is slower and you clearly have more opportunities to
integrate new words.

Karen

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 10:44:56 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:33:03 PM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>
>> I decided that I need to rip out the foot of my current socks so I can
>> change the pattern. They will be really kewl when I'm finished.
>>
>> I always think of you when I go to Monday Night Knitting.
>>
> What fun! Is the pattern visual (colors) or textural?

Both. I can't do a textural pattern on the bottom of the foot, so I've
been playing with ways to do something colorific on the top and
bottom.

I really like this group of women; they are very cool.

Karen

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 12:16:08 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Anyway, in this household we have paid heavy taxes
> all our lives, have never received a tax refund
> and do not receive farm support money.

I find it odd that you've *never* received a refund. I believe you, I
just think it's unusual.

Karen

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 1:35:02 AM, steph wrote:
> = Karen
> = eating M&Ms for dinner

> I hope that was out of pleasure and not necessity.

They were handy and didn't have any prep time. I'm working two
contracts and going insane.

Karen

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B'tai:
> Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.

Oh, yes.  I feel like I'm cheating
myself when I eat marinara that I
made the same day.

--
Richard     now we get moose and squirrel

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 1:35:02 AM, steph wrote:
>
>>= Karen
>>= eating M&Ms for dinner
>>
>
>>I hope that was out of pleasure and not necessity.
>>
>
> They were handy and didn't have any prep time. I'm working two
> contracts and going insane.
>


        That's excellent news.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen:
>I find it odd that you've *never* received a refund.

Once I figured out the game (yes, my
taxes are simpler than others), every
year I've written a check on 14-Apr,
and put it in the mail on the way to
work the next morning.

A tax refund is money you wasted.

--
Richard     now we get moose and squirrel


> just think it's unusual.
>
> Karen
>

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 7:44:27 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I'm working two
> contracts and going insane.

>         That's excellent news.

Not really. They both pay very badly and neither will last more than a
couple of weeks.

Karen

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 7:45:04 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>>I find it odd that you've *never* received a refund.

> Once I figured out the game (yes, my
> taxes are simpler than others), every
> year I've written a check on 14-Apr,
> and put it in the mail on the way to
> work the next morning.

> A tax refund is money you wasted.

Well, I've gotten refunds the last two years, because of my house and
lack of income. But I don't see how I could have had less withheld.

Karen

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At 07:14 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, June 5, 2003, 1:35:02 AM, steph wrote:
> > = Karen
> > = eating M&Ms for dinner
>
> > I hope that was out of pleasure and not necessity.
>
>They were handy and didn't have any prep time. I'm working two
>contracts and going insane.

I like that last sentence!  Good for you.

Betty

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:10:51 PM, Betty wrote:
>>They were handy and didn't have any prep time. I'm working two
>>contracts and going insane.

> I like that last sentence!  Good for you.

You are so mean! You want me to go insane!:)

Karen

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>Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
> > This is the third computer of
> > ours that we've given to him.
>
>Now *that's* posting rich.
>Karen

Or maybe it is just posting stupid.  Anyone with an ounce of sense would
have known how to replace the hard drive and then install some
software.  On the one before that anyone with an ounce of sense would have
known how to add some memory and upgrade from ME to XP.  The first one we
gave him, though, really was outdated.


          dashdashbonnie

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:13:35 PM, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>> > This is the third computer of
>> > ours that we've given to him.
>>
>>Now *that's* posting rich.
>>Karen

> Or maybe it is just posting stupid.  Anyone with an ounce of sense would
> have known how to replace the hard drive and then install some
> software.  On the one before that anyone with an ounce of sense would have
> known how to add some memory and upgrade from ME to XP.  The first one we
> gave him, though, really was outdated.

I wouldn't be that self-critical. I think upgrading the whole machine
is what the average consumer does.

Speaking of which, there was a nice NPR piece on the evils of Walmart
this morning. Someone whose livelihood is suing them over various
things (there's currently a big sex discrimination suit) said his
family won't stop shopping there.

Karen

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At 08:05 PM 6/5/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:10:51 PM, Betty wrote:
> >>They were handy and didn't have any prep time. I'm working two
> >>contracts and going insane.
>
> > I like that last sentence!  Good for you.
>
>You are so mean! You want me to go insane!:)

LOL.  Well, I feel as if I am already there.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 7:44:27 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I'm working two
>>contracts and going insane.
>>
>
>>        That's excellent news.
>>
>
> Not really. They both pay very badly and neither will last more than a
> couple of weeks.


        OK, well, suit yourself.

        I'm just glad school is almost over.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:24:21 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>> Not really. They both pay very badly and neither will last more than a
>> couple of weeks.

>         OK, well, suit yourself.

I was more excited before I became sleep-deprived.

>         I'm just glad school is almost over.

Oh.

It's been over here for a while; I forgot you'd still be in session.

Karen

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Who wants to go out to dinner some place nice on the night of July
3rd?   Whose going to be in town by dinner time?

          dashdashbonnie

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> Doris:
> > His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> Please pass along a "Well done, sir!",
> as well as a simple "thanks, man".
>
> --
> Richard

Will do.  And thanks.

        - D. M.

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> Doris, please give him our thanks.  We're glad he's
> returned home.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

Thanks.  And to all who commented.

           - D. M.

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:40:31 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Doris:
>> > His plane is touching down as we speak,
>>
>> Please pass along a "Well done, sir!",
>> as well as a simple "thanks, man".
>>
>> --
>> Richard

> Will do.  And thanks.

Is he coming home to you and Gene soon? I bet you're glad to have him
on this continent, though.

Karen

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> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 12:16:08 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Anyway, in this household we have paid heavy taxes
> > all our lives, have never received a tax refund
> > and do not receive farm support money.
>
> I find it odd that you've *never* received a refund. I believe you, I
> just think it's unusual.
>
> Karen

I don't know of any reason we would
have received a refund.

             - D. M.

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:42:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> I don't know of any reason we would
> have received a refund.

In your youth, you might have been overwithheld. Or, sometimes people
get state refunds, because the state and fed are figured differently.

Even if I worked the whole year I bought my house, I would have gotten
*some* refund.

Karen

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Thanks, all!  Good advice.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

Pete

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Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:40:01 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Thanks, all!  Good advice.

> I'll let you know how it turns out.

And pictures!!!!

Karen

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> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:42:51 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I don't know of any reason we would
> > have received a refund.
>
> In your youth, you might have been overwithheld. Or, sometimes people
> get state refunds, because the state and fed are figured differently.
>
> Even if I worked the whole year I bought my house, I would have gotten
> *some* refund.
>
> Karen

None of the above.  And the state of Nebraska most
certainly has never given us anything back.  They just
take and take and take.  Taxes here have gone way
beyond reason.

                     - D. M.

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>
> > Will do.  And thanks.
>
> Is he coming home to you and Gene soon? I bet you're glad to have him
> on this continent, though.
>
> Karen

He'll be up here in time, after he has gotten
re-acquainted with his kids.  5 months is
a long time in the life of small kids, and his
daughter hardly knows him as he was gone
when she was born and most of the time
since.

                     - D. M.

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>None of the above.  And the state of Nebraska most
>certainly has never given us anything back.  They just
>take and take and take.  Taxes here have gone way
>beyond reason.                     - D. M.

Do you have to pay estimated tax during the year or is money withheld from
Social Security and pension?  Or maybe you don't have a pension.


bonnie

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> Who wants to go out to dinner some place nice on the night of July
> 3rd?   Whose going to be in town by dinner time?
>
>           dashdashbonnie

Me! I'm staying at the hotel the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and AFAIK Rashmi is
too since she's riding with me. :D

--Adam
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>Me! I'm staying at the hotel the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and AFAIK Rashmi is
>too since she's riding with me. :D          --Adam

Great!   Will you be here in time for dinner on the 2nd also?


         bonnie

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>
> Do you have to pay estimated tax during the year or is money withheld
from
> Social Security and pension?  Or maybe you don't have a pension.
>
>
> bonnie

Money is not withheld.  We are supposed to pay estimated
taxes, I think, but instead we pay at the end of the year
exactly what we owe and then pay the penalty for not
filing the est. tax.  This came about because there was a
time when there was no way in the world to estimate what
we would make (or lose) in the cattle industry.

You are right.  We don't have a pension.

                  - D. M.

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
> At 05:57 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >For the record, Judith's exact wording is:
> >
> >"Quite a lot of grated Italian cheese (Romano and/or Parmesan)."

> Granted, but a cup of cheese makes it a deep-dish pizza, sans crust.

Agreed.

Marie
   lactophobe in recovery

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >...and which often taste better the
> >next day anyway.
>
> Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.

There are various things that I make with the intention of eating them
the next day because that's when they're better.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.
>
>         And creamed chicken.  Mmmm.  I need to make up a big batch of
> that next week.

Baked potatoes and corn on the cob.  I don't heat them.  I prefer them
straight from the refrigerator.

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Doris:

>His plane is touching down as we speak,

YaY! This is wonderful. I'm so happy he's
home safe. When do you think you and Gene
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > the idea of "all food must be eaten, whether you want to eat it or
> > not."  Whether it's at one meal or more than one meal, it's still a
> > matter of eating food you don't want to eat.
>
> This must be a big issue for you, since you keep mentioning it. I'm
> sorry you've been forced to eat food you don't want to.

The only time I've ever eaten food I didn't want to eat was when a guest
being offered food by a host.  I have never done it with food I've made,
though you and Alec seem to think it's very bad that I haven't -- that I
prefer to throw away slimy, globbed up pasta that I don't want to eat.
I wish now I had claimed to have saved it so that we wouldn't have had
this ridiculous discussion.

> But that's never been what anyone else except you was talking about.

Then I haven't the foggiest idea what the topic was.  All I got out of
it was that you and Alec thought it was bad that I threw away the pasta
instead of forcing myself to eat it at some future point.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > He was accusing me of not making myself eat food I don't want to
> > eat -- not being a clean-your-plater.
>
> No and no. Both of those constructs are yours.

Then why were we talking about my throwing away the pasta?  I don't <get
it>.

> > He said that made me rich.
>
> No, he said throwing away good food made you sound as if you were
> posting rich.

No, as a literalist you must see that posting rich is not the same thing
as being rich.  He said nothing about posting rich.
>
> >   (NB:
> > Clean-your-plater means, as I've said repeatedly, one who eats all food
> > that enters the door because it is <wasteful> not to.)
>
> And 'tall' means everyone over 4'6".

It might, depending on the context.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I don't know of any reason we would
> have received a refund.

Most people don't always manage to estimate things exactly right --
whether how much to have withheld if they're getting pay checks or how
much to pay in estimated taxes.  My goal is to come as close as possible
to breaking even -- no refund and no extra to pay.  But I can't imagine
ever achieving it down to the penny, or even to within a dollar.  I've
usually come reasonably close.  And some years it's almost like breaking
even because the extra I owe the state turns out to be almost the same
amount that the IRS owes me -- or vice versa.  All I really care about
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Doris Markland wrote:

> Money is not withheld.  We are supposed to pay estimated
> taxes, I think, but instead we pay at the end of the year
> exactly what we owe and then pay the penalty for not
> filing the est. tax.  This came about because there was a
> time when there was no way in the world to estimate what
> we would make (or lose) in the cattle industry.

Well, duh.  I was pondering your previous reply about how Nebraska had
"most certainly" never given you a refund -- that they just took and
took.  And Bonnie thinks *I* withhold the crucial info in a
discussion??  If you don't have money withheld and you don't pay
estimated taxes, you are quite obviously not going to get tax refunds.
You also must have to pay a good bit extra in penalties.  I've had to
pay the state penalties for underestimating on various past occasions,
but my underestimations were small, meaning that the penalties were no
big deal.  I would think that somebody who had paid *no* income tax
whatsoever for the whole year would be paying huge penalties.  I should
hope so.

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> Doris:
>
> >His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> YaY! This is wonderful. I'm so happy he's
> home safe. When do you think you and Gene
> will get to see him?
>
> -rashmi

He'll be up to see his dad when he's gotten
reacquainted with his kids.  We just talked to
him.  He flew home with fueling stops and
layovers in Romania, London, Iceland,
Newfoundland, Boston, and Florida.
In London he got to see the Queen and the
princes.

He's tired.

              - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:

>  He flew home with fueling stops and
> layovers in Romania, London, Iceland,
> Newfoundland, Boston, and Florida.

Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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I've been tippling on the ferry.

Vienne la nuit sonne l'heure
Les jours s'en vont je demeure

If you want to hear Apollinaire read this poem, go to

http://www.ubu.com/sound/app.html

(I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)

Ann

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At 08:02 PM 6/5/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>I've been tippling on the ferry.
>
>Vienne la nuit sonne l'heure
>Les jours s'en vont je demeure
>
>If you want to hear Apollinaire read this poem, go to
>
>http://www.ubu.com/sound/app.html
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>(I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
>
>Ann

What did you tipple? I made myself a martini tonight.  Not nearly as good
as Larry makes.

Betty

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)

?  Why do you suppose that?

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> What did you tipple?

Double Grouse on the Rocks.

I don't know why that:  it's just a ferry thing.

Ann

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
> ?  Why do you suppose that?

Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
simply indifferent.

Ann

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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> Doris Markland wrote:

> Well, duh.  I was pondering your previous reply about how Nebraska had
> "most certainly" never given you a refund -- that they just took and
> took.  And Bonnie thinks *I* withhold the crucial info in a
> discussion??  If you don't have money withheld and you don't pay
> estimated taxes, you are quite obviously not going to get tax refunds.
> You also must have to pay a good bit extra in penalties.  I've had to
> pay the state penalties for underestimating on various past occasions,
> but my underestimations were small, meaning that the penalties were no
> big deal.  I would think that somebody who had paid *no* income tax
> whatsoever for the whole year would be paying huge penalties.  I
should
> hope so.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie

Before Gene retired, however, when he was salaried and
taxes were taken out of his paychecks, we also never
received a refund.

             = D. M.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >  He flew home with fueling stops and
> > layovers in Romania, London, Iceland,
> > Newfoundland, Boston, and Florida.
>
> Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?
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> --
>  -- Natalie

I don't know.  He normally flies with his crew
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In a message dated 06/05/2003 10:39:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

<<
Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
simply indifferent.

>>

I took two years of French in college because I wanted to live in
Montreal; I should have taken Spanish because I ended up in
Tulsa.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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>I took two years of French in college because I wanted to live in
>Montreal; I should have taken Spanish because I ended up in
>Tulsa.             --Evelyn Duncan

Or you should have followed your dreams and made your own life instead of
allowed your siblings to make you the sole caretaker of your parents.


bonnie

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On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:33:31 -0400, Bonniemaev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
>>I took two years of French in college because I wanted to live in
>>Montreal; I should have taken Spanish because I ended up in
>>Tulsa.             --Evelyn Duncan
>
>Or you should have followed your dreams and made your own life instead of
>allowed your siblings to make you the sole caretaker of your parents.

Are you drunk so early in the day, Bonnie?

Karen

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> >Or you should have followed your dreams and made your own life instead of
> >allowed your siblings to make you the sole caretaker of your parents.
>
>Are you drunk so early in the day, Bonnie?
>Karen

Does one have to drunk to believe that we are somewhat masters of our own
destiny?


bonnie

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> >> >Or you should have followed your dreams and made your own life instead of
> >> >allowed your siblings to make you the sole caretaker of your parents.
> >>
> >>Are you drunk so early in the day, Bonnie?
> >>Karen
>
> > Does one have to drunk to believe that we are somewhat masters of our own
> > destiny?
>
>No, one has to be drunk to believe that you are the master of someone
>else's destiny.           --Karen

Quite true.  But I didn't think I had said that.  I was merely posing and
either/or sort of thing.  Either Evelyn could have taken Spanish instead of
French <or> she could have been more persistent in pursuing her dreams and
thus have made good use of the French she took.  It's a hypothetical not a
directive.


bonnie

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At 09:28 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>Who wants to go out to dinner some place nice on the night of July
>3rd?   Whose going to be in town by dinner time?
>
>          dashdashbonnie

Tina and I will be there and we are up for going out. We are not picky
eaters or drinkers.

lisa

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 7:12:03 AM, Bonniemaev wrote:

>> >Or you should have followed your dreams and made your own life instead of
>> >allowed your siblings to make you the sole caretaker of your parents.
>>
>>Are you drunk so early in the day, Bonnie?
>>Karen

> Does one have to drunk to believe that we are somewhat masters of our own
> destiny?

No, one has to be drunk to believe that you are the master of someone
else's destiny.

Karen

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In our weekly newspaper, The Bar Harbor Times, there is a column called
"Times Past" that list a few things that happened exactly 100 years
ago.  In that column in yesterday's newspaper is the following item:

June 3, 1903
Blarney Castle on Ironbound Island is in the hands of a crew from Asa
Hodgkins & Sons, and is being enlarged and otherwise improved.  Mr. and
Mrs. Blaney enjoy the distinction of being the only cottagers on the
island, and one would naturally suppose their conditions somewhat isolated,
but in their yacht, the Norma, they pay frequent visits to the surrounding
resorts.


bonnie

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> > > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
> > ?  Why do you suppose that?
>
> Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
> simply indifferent.

Hmm.  That hadn't occurred to me.  I do like France.  A friend of mine
has just made arrangements to rent an apartment in Paris for a year,
beginning November 1, just for the heck of it, and will welcome
visitors.  I told her that I will partake of it.  It's a great location
-- not far from the St. Michel metro stop.

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>Tina and I will be there and we are up for going out. We are not picky
>eaters or drinkers.           --lisa

Great!  That's a table for six so far:  me, Clyde, lisa, QueenLaTina, Adam,
Rashmi.    Betty and Larry?  What time does your plane land in Portland?


bonnie

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Before Gene retired, however, when he was salaried and
> taxes were taken out of his paychecks, we also never
> received a refund.

I always have the withholding upped quite a bit from the standard
tables.  Having to pay at tax time makes more financial sense than
getting a refund, of course, since you use their money longer, but I
don't want to cross the line into penalties (which I've never done yet
with the feds, though I've come close -- it's happened to me with the
state a few times, though not by very much -- i.e., the penalties have
been small -- but it's still a bother to have to figure them in, at
least on our state form).  Anyway, whether you get a refund is simply a
matter of how you plan the withholding and/or estimated taxes,
regardless of how much money you happen to make.

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> Quite true.  But I didn't think I had said that.  I was merely posing and
> either/or sort of thing.  Either Evelyn could have taken Spanish instead of
> French <or> she could have been more persistent in pursuing her dreams and
> thus have made good use of the French she took.  It's a hypothetical not a
> directive.

Ha!

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I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think we might
get a price break if we go over 25.

bonnie

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> June 3, 1903
> Blarney Castle on Ironbound Island is in the hands of a crew from Asa
> Hodgkins & Sons, and is being enlarged and otherwise improved.  Mr. and
> Mrs. Blaney enjoy the distinction of being the only cottagers on the
> island, and one would naturally suppose their conditions somewhat isolated,
> but in their yacht, the Norma, they pay frequent visits to the surrounding
> resorts.

Neat.  I guess those were Ben's grandparents.  I think it was his
grandfather who first started buying up the island and then his father
and grandfather together who completed it -- as in finally bought it
all.

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As of this morning, I am still employed.

The buzz from the board meeting is still in the air. There's been no
official word, I expect to get that today at our weekly pizza lunch. The
unofficial word is no changes in personnel on any level.

Although I'm safe, I plan to continue squirreling away as much money as
possible in an emergency fund. Iv'e also been keeping my household and
credit card expenses down. Otherwise I'm trying to relax a little and enjoy
the fruits of my labor.

With the exception of one lead, I'm not going to look for another job.
There are many reasons for this, among them, it's exhausting, I'm risking
being somewhere I don't want to be just for the sake of not being here, and
there's not much out there.

So until the next board meeting, I'll be sleeping a little better and my
stomach will stop doing flips every time the CEO and/or VP of Finance have
a cross look on their face.

Thanks for the concern everyone (originally I wrote "guys" but I didn't
want to offend anyone)...

lisa

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 8:13:35 PM, Bonniemaev wrote:
> >>Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
> >> > This is the third computer of
> >> > ours that we've given to him.
> >>
> >>Now *that's* posting rich.
> >>Karen
>
>
> I wouldn't be that self-critical. I think upgrading the whole machine
> is what the average consumer does.
>

"It is better to end than to mend"
clo - en route to dentist

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
> > ?  Why do you suppose that?
>
> Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
> simply indifferent.
>
> Ann
>
Mais, je le parle.
clo

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
> > ?  Why do you suppose that?
>
> Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
> simply indifferent.
>

Francophone, pas francophiliac.
clo

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> I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think we might
> get a price break if we go over 25.
>
> bonnie

I'll do my part.. Reserve me a large.  Is cash & carry on the 3rd acceptable?

BrP

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think we might
> get a price break if we go over 25.

Me!

Size M, please.

But we must talk about exactly how I'll pay. How will Espen? Or anybody who
hadn't got an account in a bank of the US? Cheque? If a money order, then
which kind (some are *very* slow, others may have their own weak points...)?
Well, it's not hard to come to an agreement of some kind. I'll deal more with
mail after some hours.

Kristin

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> > Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
> > simply indifferent.
> >
> Mais, je le parle.

But I thought she was talking about francophiles rather than
francophones.  Je parle francais comme une vache espanole.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> francophones.  Je parle francais comme une vache espanole.
                                                       ^
Hmm.  Maybe I am becoming Spanish.  I usually misspell in the opposite
direction -- sticking in the g in Spanish, where it isn't.  But the
above was really a typo -- as in I don't think I would've done it in
handwriting.

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>But we must talk about exactly how I'll pay. How will Espen? Or anybody who
>hadn't got an account in a bank of the US? Cheque?     --Kristin

Yes, we will have to talk about that.  Maybe in your case you could pay Mem
directly into a PayPal account.  Is that possible, mem?


bonnie

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>> >> >Or you should have followed your dreams and made your own life
>> instead of allowed your siblings to make you the sole caretaker of
>> your parents.
>> >>
>> >>Are you drunk so early in the day, Bonnie?
>> >>Karen
>>
>> > Does one have to drunk to believe that we are somewhat masters of
>> our own destiny?
>>
>>No, one has to be drunk to believe that you are the master of someone
>> else's destiny.           --Karen
>
> Quite true.  But I didn't think I had said that.  I was merely posing
> and either/or sort of thing.  Either Evelyn could have taken Spanish
> instead of French <or> she could have been more persistent in pursuing
> her dreams and thus have made good use of the French she took.  It's a
> hypothetical not a directive.

But her life is far from over! Who knows what possibilities remain? Not
you--nor me. She may still end up somewhere where French is useful.

Karen

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:23 PM
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>
>
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> > Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.
>>
>>         And creamed chicken.  Mmmm.  I need to make up a big batch of
>> that next week.
>
>Baked potatoes and corn on the cob.  I don't heat them.  I prefer them
>straight from the refrigerator.
>
>--
Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I would enjoy.


alec

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At 09:54 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I would enjoy.

Perhaps they are good only when eaten while standing at the sink...

cwv

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I Spy:
> Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?

Loose lips sink ships!

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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> I Spy:
>> Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?
>
> Loose lips sink ships!

Or as Michael Dell says, "Don't let idle chatter Become a security matter."

K

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:06 AM
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>
>
>Bonniemaev wrote:
>
>> I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I
>think we might
>> get a price break if we go over 25.
>
>Me!
>
>Size M, please.
>
>But we must talk about exactly how I'll pay. How will Espen?
>Or anybody who
>hadn't got an account in a bank of the US? Cheque? If a money
>order, then
>which kind (some are *very* slow, others may have their own
>weak points...)?
>Well, it's not hard to come to an agreement of some kind. I'll
>deal more with
>mail after some hours.
>
>Kristin
>

Credit card- Use a payment service like Yahoo. I imagine you have a
Mastercard or Visa.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:59 AM
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>At 09:54 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I
>would enjoy.
>
>Perhaps they are good only when eaten while standing at the sink...
>
>cwv
>

Nah, the sink gives me a places to throw up into after eating the cold corn.


alec

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6/5/2003, 10:34 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.

NM> That seems pushing it to me.

    Why?  You do have refrigerators and freezers in Svill, don't you?

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6/5/2003, 11:32 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to eat more than
NM> you want than to throw food away is dumb.

No one said that.  Certainly not Alec or me.

NM> You're not helping the hungry
NM> by doing so.  I remember my pediatrician's saying one time that she
NM> thought the clean-your-plate philsophy was one of the worst things
NM> somebody could inflict on a child -- that it exacerbated the problem of
NM> childhood obesity.  Nothing is being gained (well, except maybe weight)
NM> by not throwing away food if you don't want to eat it.

No argument.  But no one said you should eat to clean your plate.  We
suggested that you save the leftovers and, especially if you freeze
them, you can eat them tomorrow, next week, or next month, thus saving
you money at a later date, and giving you a delicious meal at "no
cost" and little effort.

dan



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6/5/2003, 11:39 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>>    I was thinking of an average middle class (or whatever class you
>>    consider yourself to be).  Not landed gentry, not a whore on the
>>    street.

CO> Actually, I think you were talking to Doris, so it's what she
CO> considers herself. I was just being a smartass. The average woman
CO> would be dead by our age, so it hardly matters, but I am interested
CO> to learn that if I wasn't middle class or gentry (which I'm not, though
CO> my Southern ancestresses were), I'd be a whore, which my Northern
CO> ancestresses (who were working class at best) were not - not that
CO> there's anything wrong in being an honest "working girl".

Listing two extremes doesn't exclude all of the intermediate options.  Note
that above it says "whatever class...".

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I would enjoy.

You don't realize how offensive you are being.

(Note to those who might have been absent during the Greek food thread:
That's an allusion to Karen's having told me that it was offensive for
me to say I didn't like baklava.  I really don't think it's offensive
for Alec to say he doesn't like the above items, even in response to my
saying I do like them.  I never did understand why Karen considered it
offensive for me to introduce baklava into that food thread as the only
Greek food I could think of that I didn't like.)

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6/5/2003, 11:41 AM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

>>And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to eat more than
>>you want than to throw food away is dumb.  You're not helping the hungry
>>by doing so.       -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

BV> Note subtle topic change.  We were talking about making a second or third
BV> meal out of leftovers not eating more than you want at any one sitting.

But of course.  It is a post from Natalie.   If you're losing the
game, change the rules or topic midstream.

dan

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I would enjoy.
>
> Perhaps they are good only when eaten while standing at the sink...

Subtle and devious topic shift!  We were discussing the foods, not the
setting.  You have shifted the topic in order to try to win a point.

I enjoy cold baked potatoes and cold corn in pretty much any setting.

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Karen:
> Or as Michael Dell says, "Don't let idle chatter Become a security matter."

Is he talking about Dell security or
the security of western civilization?

EeeeGADS!  What'dya suppose Ashcroft's
tagline would be?

(No there will be no prize for the best
entry.)

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> (Note to those who might have been absent during the Greek food thread:
> That's an allusion to Karen's having told me that it was offensive for
> me to say I didn't like baklava.

No, what I *said* was that your saying that you would flush baklava that
Rita made especially for you was offensive. I really don't care whether
you like it or not.

Karen

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6/5/2003, 11:43 AM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

>>I will take to the dumpster this afternoon when I go to the p.o.
>>  -- Natalie

BV> Who pays to get this dumpster emptied?  Do they appreciate the general
BV> public throwing their garbage in their dumpster??

 That was my point exactly, which was of course finnessed just like
 the saving of leftovers, etc.  We've just gotta remember that Natalie
 lives in Mutant City.

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human powered vehicle wrote:
> > Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?
>
> Loose lips sink ships!

?  I do wonder sometimes why I find little details of military matters
interesting since I don't like wars.  But my mind wanders to odds and
ends of how things are handled -- like the question I asked way back
about what they did with the POWs they were gathering while moving
along.  I was wondering whether Lt. Markland always stays with that
particular plane or whether it might have stayed in Iraq for future use
there while he came home another way, and if he did fly it home, whether
the usual routine was to use big planes of that kind when it was time
for a bunch of troops to come home.  Etc.

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> Karen:
>> Or as Michael Dell says, "Don't let idle chatter Become a security
>> matter."
>
> Is he talking about Dell security or
> the security of western civilization?

National security, I'm sure.

> EeeeGADS!  What'dya suppose Ashcroft's
> tagline would be?
>
> (No there will be no prize for the best
> entry.)

Then I'm not even going to try.

K

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Natalie:
>> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
> That seems pushing it to me.

And then:
>There are various things that I make with the intention of eating them
>the next day because that's when they're better.

So let me get this straight: 2-day-old leftovers
are a health threat, but food made specifically
to be eaten the next day is A-O.K.?  There's
a 24-hour window?

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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> EeeeGADS!  What'dya suppose Ashcroft's
> tagline would be?
> --
> Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too



If it could be tagline in the sense of last public statement, I don't care what it is as long
as I get to hear it soon.


BrP

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6/5/2003, 1:09 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> In PA using a dumpster which is not yours is called theft of services and is
ADP> a $300 fine.

Once again, the exact point I was trying to make in my original
challenge to the behavior.  But, hey, in Sville there's enough room
for everybody's garbage in the university dumpsters.....

Sure there is...especially since even if the labor to haul the
dumpsters is the same, and if not enough people do it to require them
to get more dumpsters, they're still paying by the cubic yard to
dispose of it, do it IS costing the university money.

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Dan Lester wrote:
> >> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
>
> NM> That seems pushing it to me.
>
>     Why?  You do have refrigerators and freezers in Svill, don't you?

You're way behind.  We've covered the fact that I am conservative about
leaving things of that kind long in the refrigerator.  The question was
whether to leave the stuff in the refrigerator for several days or go on
and freeze it right away.  I chose the latter.  If I had not had to go
to a community theatre banquet last night, I would have left it in the
refrigerator until today, eating some of it last night, even though I
wasn't really in the mood for it again so soon.

When you get to the messages about throwing food away, it should be
pointed out that that was about the extra pasta.  When freezing the six
or eight containers of The Dish, I concentrated on rescuing all the
shrimp and including only some of the pasta since there was way too much
pasta.  The rest of the pasta I threw away since I knew that I would not
ever want it.

Of the other food involved in Wednesday night's dinner, I ate the
leftover broccoli salad for lunch yesterday, and I sent the leftover
soup home with the guests.  We consumed all the raspberries, but I still
have ice cream in the freezer and will eat it sooner or later --
probably sooner.  I also have a good many macadamias and cashews and
almonds left from pre-dinner, but they will last a pretty long time in
their cans.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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> human powered vehicle wrote:
> > > Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?
> >
> > Loose lips sink ships!
>
> ?  I do wonder sometimes why I find little details of military matters
> interesting since I don't like wars.  But my mind wanders to odds and
> ends of how things are handled -- like the question I asked way back
> about what they did with the POWs they were gathering while moving
> along.  I was wondering whether Lt. Markland always stays with that
> particular plane or whether it might have stayed in Iraq for future
use
> there while he came home another way, and if he did fly it home,
whether
> the usual routine was to use big planes of that kind when it was time
> for a bunch of troops to come home.  Etc.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

There were a couple of times when he flew home in
another plane, leaving his in the Middle East for use.
But he is the Commander of that particular plane and
I think he flew it home, since his wife told me he
patched through a phone call from the plane telling
her to meet him in an hour on the runway.  It was
a surprise.  I doubt that he transported troops because
that is not his usual thing and because he was returning
to a Special Operations base.

               - D. M.

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6/5/2003, 2:22 PM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:


BV> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.

 And completely normal for the Mutant.


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6/5/2003, 2:49 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left Words-l.
ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room with no
ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I just
ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.

Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear
for extended periods.  I also disappear on occasion in attempts to
<have a life>.

dan

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Doris Markland wrote:

> patched through a phone call from the plane telling
> her to meet him in an hour on the runway.  It was
> a surprise.

You mean she had no idea at all that he was getting home that day??
That's exciting, to say the least!

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Soup and The Dish
>
>
>Dan Lester wrote:
>
>> BV> Who pays to get this dumpster emptied?  Do they
>appreciate the general
>> BV> public throwing their garbage in their dumpster??
>>
>>  That was my point exactly, which was of course finnessed just like
>>  the saving of leftovers, etc.  We've just gotta remember
>that Natalie
>>  lives in Mutant City.
>
>Well, get this through your fucking head:  Bonnie asked questions
>(questions aren't "a point").  The answers are that the university
>garbage people maintain the garbage operation, including the dumpsters.
>I have no reason to believe that they care what "the general public"
>does re the dumpsters since the university offers TONS of free services
>to the general public.  Look at our local Humane Society web page, to
>name one example that pops into my head.  I believe you will find
>msstate.edu involved.  I mentioned the streets yesterday as another
>example.  And there are the campus benches.  And free use of the
>library.  And anybody who wants to can call any campus office and get
>expert advice -- remember when I called the Entomology Dept about the
>bees?
>
>I will say that I am glad I live in this world instead of the stingy,
>boundary-conscious worlds some of you seem to live in.
>
>--
Natalie, I will call your university and confirm that they have no problem
with you bring your home trash and disposing it on campus. Without naming
names of course.




alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Credit card- Use a payment service like Yahoo. I imagine you have a
> Mastercard or Visa.

Nope. Debut card, Maestro.

Kristin

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Dan Lester wrote:
>>  Nothing is being gained (well, except maybe weight)
>> by not throwing away food if you don't want to eat it.
>
> No argument.  But no one said you should eat to clean your plate.  We
> suggested that you save the leftovers and, especially if you freeze
> them, you can eat them tomorrow, next week, or next month, thus saving
> you money at a later date, and giving you a delicious meal at "no
> cost" and little effort.

I'm not going to go through all this again except to say this one last
time:  SUBSTITUTE "REFRIGERATOR" FOR PLATE.  THAT WAS MY POINT.  IT
WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO ME TO THROW AWAY SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GIVE ME "A
DELICIOUS MEAL" IN THE FUTURE.  THE ONLY THING I THREW AWAY WAS SOME
SLIMY LEFTOVER PASTA THAT I WOULD HAVE HAD TO FORCE MYSELF TO EAT IF I
DIDN'T THROW IT AWAY.  THAT WOULD NOT SAVE ME ANY MONEY BECAUSE I WOULD
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DON'T MIND SKIPPING MEALS (EXCEPT BREAKFAST).  I WOULD MUCH PREFER NOT
TO EAT THAN TO MAKE MYSELF EAT SOMETHING I FIND YUKKY.  I SEE NOTHING TO
BE GAINED BY FORCING FOOD DOWN INSTEAD OF SIMPLY *NOT EATING IT*.

          -- the end --

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > (Note to those who might have been absent during the Greek food thread:
> > That's an allusion to Karen's having told me that it was offensive for
> > me to say I didn't like baklava.
>
> No, what I *said* was that your saying that you would flush baklava that
> Rita made especially for you was offensive. I really don't care whether
> you like it or not.

Good grief.  Talk about changing the story!  It was *I* who introduced
baklava in that thread.  Not Rita.  *AFTER* I said what I did about
baklava, Rita talked about baklava.  She did *NOT* say that she was
going to make baklava for me.  I am 100% positive that my baklava
statement was the first time baklava was mentioned.  Among other reasons
I know that for sure is that I had to stop and remind myself of the word
before typing it since I have always had a problem in getting baklava
mixed up with balalikas, and I did not want to introduce a musical
instrument into that point about the only Greek food I didn't like.  It
had nothing at all to do with Rita.  I had said that I loved Greek food,
we continued talking about Greek food, I remembered that baklava was an
exception to my love of Greek food, and I made that comment in the
thread -- probably in a reply to somebody else's posting but most
definitely NOT in reply to anything anybody else said about baklava
since NOBODY HAD SAID ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT BAKLAVA UNTIL *I* BROUGHT IT
UP -- SAYING I DIDN'T LIKE IT.

In case you haven't caught on, I am highly pissed off by your false
accusation.  If Rita had said, "I'm going to make you some baklava as a
special gift," I would have said, "Thank you!  That is most kind."  (Or
at least I would have said that before the above discussion.  Obviously
if she had said that later, it would have been a joking allusion to my
having said I disliked baklava.  That would call for a different kind or
response.)

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Dan Lester wrote:

> BV> Who pays to get this dumpster emptied?  Do they appreciate the general
> BV> public throwing their garbage in their dumpster??
>
>  That was my point exactly, which was of course finnessed just like
>  the saving of leftovers, etc.  We've just gotta remember that Natalie
>  lives in Mutant City.

Well, get this through your fucking head:  Bonnie asked questions
(questions aren't "a point").  The answers are that the university
garbage people maintain the garbage operation, including the dumpsters.
I have no reason to believe that they care what "the general public"
does re the dumpsters since the university offers TONS of free services
to the general public.  Look at our local Humane Society web page, to
name one example that pops into my head.  I believe you will find
msstate.edu involved.  I mentioned the streets yesterday as another
example.  And there are the campus benches.  And free use of the
library.  And anybody who wants to can call any campus office and get
expert advice -- remember when I called the Entomology Dept about the
bees?

I will say that I am glad I live in this world instead of the stingy,
boundary-conscious worlds some of you seem to live in.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:34 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I
>would enjoy.
>
>You don't realize how offensive you are being.
>

Welcome to Words-l. I am not being offensive. Possibly a little judgemental.



>(Note to those who might have been absent during the Greek food thread:
>That's an allusion to Karen's having told me that it was offensive for
>me to say I didn't like baklava.  I really don't think it's offensive
>for Alec to say he doesn't like the above items, even in response to my
>saying I do like them.  I never did understand why Karen considered it
>offensive for me to introduce baklava into that food thread as the only
>Greek food I could think of that I didn't like.)
>

I love Greek food, don't like lamb eyes,brain or lamb meat.


alec

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> And then:
> >There are various things that I make with the intention of eating them
> >the next day because that's when they're better.
>
> So let me get this straight: 2-day-old leftovers
> are a health threat, but food made specifically
> to be eaten the next day is A-O.K.?  There's
> a 24-hour window?

Yes, the window I use for certain kinds of food is approximately 24
hours.  It depends on what the food is.  I wouldn't worry about eating
cold potato two days later since I think it would be much less likely to
spoil than something like shrimp.

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:40 AM
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>Subject: Re: Home is the Warrior
>
>
>human powered vehicle wrote:
>> > Did he bring a bunch of soldiers with him in that huge plane?
>>
>> Loose lips sink ships!
>
>?  I do wonder sometimes why I find little details of military matters
>interesting since I don't like wars.  But my mind wanders to odds and
>ends of how things are handled -- like the question I asked way back
>about what they did with the POWs they were gathering while moving
>along.  I was wondering whether Lt. Markland always stays with that
>particular plane or whether it might have stayed in Iraq for future use
>there while he came home another way, and if he did fly it
>home, whether
>the usual routine was to use big planes of that kind when it was time
>for a bunch of troops to come home.  Etc.
>
>--
Please address him his proper title. I imagine he has not been a Lt. for
many years.


alec

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:56 AM
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>
>
>Dan Lester wrote:
>>>  Nothing is being gained (well, except maybe weight)
>>> by not throwing away food if you don't want to eat it.
>>
>> No argument.  But no one said you should eat to clean your plate.  We
>> suggested that you save the leftovers and, especially if you freeze
>> them, you can eat them tomorrow, next week, or next month,
>thus saving
>> you money at a later date, and giving you a delicious meal at "no
>> cost" and little effort.
>
>I'm not going to go through all this again except to say this one last
>time:  SUBSTITUTE "REFRIGERATOR" FOR PLATE.  THAT WAS MY POINT.  IT
>WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO ME TO THROW AWAY SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GIVE ME "A
>DELICIOUS MEAL" IN THE FUTURE.  THE ONLY THING I THREW AWAY WAS SOME
>SLIMY LEFTOVER PASTA THAT I WOULD HAVE HAD TO FORCE MYSELF TO EAT IF I
>DIDN'T THROW IT AWAY.  THAT WOULD NOT SAVE ME ANY MONEY BECAUSE I WOULD
>RATHER SKIP A MEAL THAN EAT THAT SLIMY, OLD PASTA IN ITS
>GLOBBY FORM.  I
>DON'T MIND SKIPPING MEALS (EXCEPT BREAKFAST).  I WOULD MUCH PREFER NOT
>TO EAT THAN TO MAKE MYSELF EAT SOMETHING I FIND YUKKY.  I SEE
>NOTHING TO
>BE GAINED BY FORCING FOOD DOWN INSTEAD OF SIMPLY *NOT EATING IT*.
>
>          -- the end --
>
>--
Dan, head for cover Dr. Mutant is screaming at you.



Alert!!!


alec

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Dan Lester wrote:
>
> 6/5/2003, 2:49 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left Words-l.
> ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room with no
> ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I just
> ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
>
> Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear
> for extended periods.

Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:18 AM
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>
>
>Dan Lester wrote:
>>
>> 6/5/2003, 2:49 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>
>> ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many
>people have left Words-l.
>> ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out.
>It is a room with no
>> ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l
>anytime soon, I just
>> ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
>>
>> Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear
>> for extended periods.
>
>Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
>didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
>about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
>only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.
>
>--
The world is a cruel place. The truth hurts.

alec

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6/5/2003, 3:25 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

RC>         I'd have children's services on my ass if my daughter were
RC> walking the 3 or so miles each way to school, across town
RC> (including crossing several major highways) for her soccer
RC> games, etc.   A cop seeing a 7-year-old wandering up Rt 67
RC> would for sure pick her up and bring her back to my door.

Well, maybe my neighbor and I are just excessively fortunate to live
where we have neighborhood schools so children can walk thru a
residential area to their school.  And to their church (for many,
depending on denomination) and to a complex of athletic/sports fields
for soccer, little league, etc.  The can walk to the grocery store,
too, though fewer do that due to need to carry stuff home.

RC>         Get a little more judgemental why don't you, Dan.

I wasn't judging anyone in particular.  I was judging, if anyone, a
number of other neighbors who drive their kids the .7 miles to school
instead of letting/making the kids walk (which most do), who drive the
kids the .5 miles to the soccer field, etc.

Remember, Rita, nothing was said about YOU or YOURS.

dan

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6/5/2003, 3:41 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

>> I don't use a garbage can.  I still have one, but it fills with rain and
>> gets horribly messy.  I've been trying to figure out how to throw it
>> away.

SE> Why not put the garbage can in the dumpster?

   Bingo!  Wish I'd thought of that.

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6/5/2003, 3:49 PM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:

BV> Anyway, I was wondering how many wordslers live in a small enough town
BV> where the kids can safely walk home from school.  Not Rita and Ana.

Boise kids walk, and do so safely.  We're almost 200,000 people in the
city.  No, not StLouis or NYC, but not small town either.


--

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> > ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left Words-l.
> > ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room with no
> > ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I just
> > ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
> >
> > Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear
> > for extended periods.
>
> Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
> didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
> about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.

  etc., etc.


I never knew that leftovers could create such drama.   This is really impressive.


BrP

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AHmm.  That hadn't occurred to me.  I do like France.  A friend of mine
>has just made arrangements to rent an apartment in Paris for a year,
>beginning November 1, just for the heck of it, and will welcome
>visitors.  I told her that I will partake of it.  It's a great location
>-- not far from the St. Michel metro stop.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Aren't you glad you retired so you can do this?  I can hardly wait. On a
whim I could catch a flight anywhere and not have to worry about being back
in time.

B

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> 6/5/2003, 3:49 PM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
> BV> Anyway, I was wondering how many wordslers live in a small enough town
> BV> where the kids can safely walk home from school.  Not Rita and Ana.
>
> Boise kids walk, and do so safely.  We're almost 200,000 people in the
> city.  No, not StLouis or NYC, but not small town either.
>
>
> --

Syracuse - slightly smaller than Boise.  Some kids can walk safely and others can't.
My kids always did, but there are neighborhoods where I wouldn't have felt good
about them walking.


BrP

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At 08:42 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>Tina and I will be there and we are up for going out. We are not picky
>>eaters or drinkers.           --lisa
>
>Great!  That's a table for six so far:  me, Clyde, lisa, QueenLaTina, Adam,
>Rashmi.    Betty and Larry?  What time does your plane land in Portland?

Add us to the list! July 3rd is no problem. Can I wear my whore t-shirt?



>bonnie

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul R. Barfoot
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>
>
>> > ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many
>people have left Words-l.
>> > ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way
>out. It is a room with no
>> > ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l
>anytime soon, I just
>> > ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
>> >
>> > Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear
>> > for extended periods.
>>
>> Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
>> didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
>> about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
>> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all
>have fun.
>
>  etc., etc.
>
>
>I never knew that leftovers could create such drama.   This is
>really impressive.
>
>
>BrP
>

I did not know either. I am being my usual wonderful nice self. Bonnie
helped me see somethings which I could not see myself. I love this list and
all the crap we put each other through. We all have very different lives.

alec

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:18 AM
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>
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>Dan Lester wrote:
>>
>> 6/5/2003, 2:49 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>
>> ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many
>people have left Words-l.
>> ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out.
>It is a room with no
>> ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l
>anytime soon, I just
>> ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
>>
>> Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear
>> for extended periods.
>
>Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
>didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
>about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
>only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.
>
>--
I guess no Maine trip. Why hang with a bunch of leftover eating people.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But her life is far from over! Who knows what possibilities remain? Not
> you--nor me. She may still end up somewhere where French is useful.
>
> Karen

comme cette liste, par example
clo-ette

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> I guess no Maine trip. Why hang with a bunch of leftover eating people.

Alec, I doubt that Natalie's going to read this. But in case she does, why
are you trying to make her feel worse? Does it make you feel so much
better to kick someone while they are down?

Karen

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
> >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:23 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Soup and The Dish
> >
> >
> >Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >> > Especially spaghetti, lasagna.  I am so hungry.
> >>
> >>         And creamed chicken.  Mmmm.  I need to make up a big batch of
> >> that next week.
> >
> >Baked potatoes and corn on the cob.  I don't heat them.  I prefer them
> >straight from the refrigerator.
> >
> >--
> Major gag! Cold baked taters or corn is not something that I would enjoy.
>
> alec

I knew a kid who brought cold baked potatoes to school in his
lunch bag. One of the teachers wanted to turn him in to social
services for abuse. I'd eat it, with sour cream or milk. Why not?

Cold corn, on the other hand, I do enjoy - but rarely get 'cause
all of that goes to fritters, (which is better, after all).

clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Please address him his proper title. I imagine he has not been a Lt. for
> many years.

Oops.  I was proud of myself for having remembered his recent promotion
and thus not saying Capt. Markland -- that I was remembering he was now
Col. Markland.  How Lt. hopped off of my fingers, I don't really know.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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At 09:02 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think we might
> > get a price break if we go over 25.
> >
> > bonnie
>
>I'll do my part.. Reserve me a large.  Is cash & carry on the 3rd acceptable?

Paul! You're going to make it.  Fantastic.  I've only seen photos but I've
met your brother.

Betty

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:40 AM
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>
>
>> I guess no Maine trip. Why hang with a bunch of leftover
>eating people.
>
>Alec, I doubt that Natalie's going to read this. But in case
>she does, why are you trying to make her feel worse? Does it make you feel
so much
>better to kick someone while they are down?
>
>Karen
>

This whole discussion made me a little angry. When I am a little angry, I
get sarcastic and sometimes cheap. It is too bad that there is no unsend
button. If over this discussion, she really leaves Words-l, I would be very
surprised. We have had discussions which were as horrible and painful. As a
family, we are cruel and nasty. We usually apologize for being nasty, or
leave.


Peace,

alec

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At 09:04 AM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/5/2003, 2:22 PM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>
>
>BV> Change of topic to win a point.  Devious.  Odd.  Deceptive.
>
>  And completely normal for the Mutant.

So? This is words-l.

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/5/2003, 11:32 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> NM> And, as I said, I think the philosophy that it's better to eat more than
> NM> you want than to throw food away is dumb.
>
> No one said that.  Certainly not Alec or me.
>
> NM> You're not helping the hungry
> NM> by doing so.  I remember my pediatrician's saying one time that she
> NM> thought the clean-your-plate philsophy was one of the worst things
> NM> somebody could inflict on a child -- that it exacerbated the problem of
> NM> childhood obesity.  Nothing is being gained (well, except maybe weight)
> NM> by not throwing away food if you don't want to eat it.
>
> No argument.  But no one said you should eat to clean your plate.  We
> suggested that you save the leftovers and, especially if you freeze
> them, you can eat them tomorrow, next week, or next month, thus saving
> you money at a later date, and giving you a delicious meal at "no
> cost" and little effort.

Actually, here's what I remember:
Natalie said, (but not in these words) "I freeze leftovers, but I
don't have enough space for so much. I guess I will reduce the
volume by tossing some pasta, making what I freeze shrimp-rich.
Since I don't like the pasta by itself, and I don't want to keep it
in the fridge, I will toss it".

The question is, does the decision to jettison excess pasta
make Natalie a wasteful person, or is she correct that pasta
is relatively low-nutrition, low-cost, and low-interest enough
(yes, I know you never made these explicit claims, just run
with it, ok?) to be dispensable in a pinch?

I can't believe I am involved in this discussion. In the old
days I'd eat the pasta for lunch with some cold cuts and
mayo, or melt more cheese on it and make it mac-n-cheese.
I understand things die sooner in hot climates and with less
efficient fridges - I have had a couple that were mold-incubators
myself - but pasta and cheese are more durable and should
be fine a couple of days. Now that I can't eat carbohydrates
without damaging myself, I am more sympathetic to those who
find them bland and space-taking (an attitude that I am trying
hard to cultivate).

Natalie, I gotta say that the phrase about cleaning up your
plate in the atmostphere of words-l nitpicking, when the
discussion was about the moral imperative to <save> and
use food, was either careless or provocative.

PS can somebody please point me to the archive URL again?
I need to look something up.

clo

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/5/2003, 11:39 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >>    I was thinking of an average middle class (or whatever class you
> >>    consider yourself to be).  Not landed gentry, not a whore on the
> >>    street.
>
> CO> Actually, I think you were talking to Doris, so it's what she
> CO> considers herself. I was just being a smartass. The average woman
> CO> would be dead by our age, so it hardly matters, but I am interested
> CO> to learn that if I wasn't middle class or gentry (which I'm not, though
> CO> my Southern ancestresses were), I'd be a whore, which my Northern
> CO> ancestresses (who were working class at best) were not - not that
> CO> there's anything wrong in being an honest "working girl".
>
> Listing two extremes doesn't exclude all of the intermediate options.  Note
> that above it says "whatever class...".

You, however, conflated  class and occupation, with a sidebar
of moral comment.
If you had said,
an average middle class (or whatever class you consider
yourself to be) call girl.  Not an expensive madam, not a
whore on the street.

it wouldn't have been <interesting> or offensive.

clo

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> Actually, here's what I remember:
> Natalie said, (but not in these words) "I freeze leftovers, but I
> don't have enough space for so much. I guess I will reduce the
> volume by tossing some pasta, making what I freeze shrimp-rich.
> Since I don't like the pasta by itself, and I don't want to keep it in
> the fridge, I will toss it".

Right. I don't think anyone disputes that this is a reasonable thing to
do. I entered the argument because I thought that thinking shrimp might go
bad after a day in the fridge is nutso.

> Natalie, I gotta say that the phrase about cleaning up your
> plate in the atmostphere of words-l nitpicking, when the
> discussion was about the moral imperative to <save> and
> use food, was either careless or provocative.

It certainly <provoked>.

> PS can somebody please point me to the archive URL again?
> I need to look something up.

listserv.uga.edu

Woohoo! Eklektikos is playing Johnny Clegg!

K

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> At 09:02 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think we might
> > > get a price break if we go over 25.
> > >
> > > bonnie
> >
> >I'll do my part.. Reserve me a large.  Is cash & carry on the 3rd acceptable?
>
> Paul! You're going to make it.  Fantastic.  I've only seen photos but I've
> met your brother.
>
> Betty

Either I or an appointed agent will pick up the shirt.  I have been listed as a definite
maybe since the beginning.

BrP

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> (Note to those who might have been absent during the Greek food thread:
> That's an allusion to Karen's having told me that it was offensive for
> me to say I didn't like baklava.  I really don't think it's offensive
> for Alec to say he doesn't like the above items, even in response to my
> saying I do like them.  I never did understand why Karen considered it
> offensive for me to introduce baklava into that food thread as the only
> Greek food I could think of that I didn't like.)

But of course you know that Karen expressed an objection to
quite a different part of the post, because she made so many
attempts to clarify.

to quote,
6/5/2003, 11:41 AM, Bonnie Voigtlander wrote:
>>Note subtle topic change.

clo

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=
= Credit card- Use a payment service like Yahoo. I imagine you have a
= Mastercard or Visa.
=
=
= alec

Whether you know it or not, this is a very American-centric
viewpoint.

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Natalie:
> >> Leftovers last longer than one day, you know.
> > That seems pushing it to me.
>
> And then:
> >There are various things that I make with the intention of eating them
> >the next day because that's when they're better.
>
> So let me get this straight: 2-day-old leftovers
> are a health threat, but food made specifically
> to be eaten the next day is A-O.K.?  There's
> a 24-hour window?

Does anybody remember the guidelines that preceded reliable
refrigeration? I am betting Natalie is using them. Even now
you get the milk cartons sometimes that say, "throw out
this milk if it sits for this long ---- at this temperature ----
with little thermometer diagrams of food poisoning
guidelines. If you worry about that stuff, you do.

My husband throws out milk that's "too old" after a few
hours, just on spec. This of course is not how I was
raised (see clabber, making of).

clo

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When we were in Tomsk we noticed that nobody refrigerated much of anything -
even in summer when it can be very hot there.  We speculated at the time that
because Tomsk has been a center of the nuclear industry for so long, they might not
have any microflora left to spoil the food.

BrP




> Does anybody remember the guidelines that preceded reliable
> refrigeration? I am betting Natalie is using them. Even now
> you get the milk cartons sometimes that say, "throw out
> this milk if it sits for this long ---- at this temperature ----
> with little thermometer diagrams of food poisoning
> guidelines. If you worry about that stuff, you do.
>
> My husband throws out milk that's "too old" after a few
> hours, just on spec. This of course is not how I was
> raised (see clabber, making of).
>
> clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
> >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:40 AM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: I have entered Maynor Mutant Hell
> >
> >
> >> I guess no Maine trip. Why hang with a bunch of leftover
> >eating people.
> >
> >Alec, I doubt that Natalie's going to read this. But in case
> >she does, why are you trying to make her feel worse? Does it make you feel
> so much
> >better to kick someone while they are down?
> >
> >Karen
> >
>
> This whole discussion made me a little angry. When I am a little angry, I
> get sarcastic and sometimes cheap. It is too bad that there is no unsend
> button. If over this discussion, she really leaves Words-l, I would be very
> surprised. We have had discussions which were as horrible and painful. As a
> family, we are cruel and nasty. We usually apologize for being nasty, or
> leave.

Damn, why am I under orders not to apologize, then?
clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:59 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: fest shirts
>
>
>=
>= Credit card- Use a payment service like Yahoo. I imagine you have a
>= Mastercard or Visa.
>=
>=
>= alec
>
>Whether you know it or not, this is a very American-centric
>viewpoint.
>

ok, that understood. Do you have a Visa and a Mastercard from a non-American
bank.

alec

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At 11:57 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > At 09:02 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think
> we might
> > > > get a price break if we go over 25.
> > > >
> > > > bonnie
> > >
> > >I'll do my part.. Reserve me a large.  Is cash & carry on the 3rd
> acceptable?
> >
> > Paul! You're going to make it.  Fantastic.  I've only seen photos but I've
> > met your brother.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Either I or an appointed agent will pick up the shirt.  I have been listed
>as a definite
>maybe since the beginning.
>
>BrP

I thought of it as a confirmation and do hope you make it.

Betty

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clo:
> My husband throws out milk that's "too old" after a few
> hours, just on spec. This of course is not how I was
> raised (see clabber, making of).

It's my understanding that pasteurized
(shouldn't that be capitalized?) milk
doesn't go clabber-bad, it goes BAD.

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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>Add us to the list! July 3rd is no problem. Can I wear my whore t-shirt?

Yes, you may, Bad Betty.  Two tables for 4 at Mache Bistro.


bonnie

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> >>>On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Lynn Weber wrote:
> >>>>The most deeply held opinion seems to be about Tushar.  Maybe I should
> >>>>court him and ask him to be my cyber personal tutor - disarm him, so to
> >>>>speak.  But then again, he may be the terribly resentful type.
> >>>>
> >>>Lynn, don't you believe it. Tushar is a gentleman and a saint, to put up
> >>>with all the crap we give him. Just don't compliment him; it won't be
> >>>pretty. But if you think <that's> scary, I made the mistake of asking
> >>>Rita to be my cybermentor!
> >>>
> >>        You did not.
> >>        And everybody knows I'm as sweet as pie.
> >
> > I distinctly remember asking to sit at your feet and learn cybermanners;
> > but your "fuck off" was very sweetly delivered!
>
>         I told Karen to fuck off, not you.  Maybe you're just being
> overly sensitive.

Ya know, I was sort of surprised; but we will have to split the
difference. I did ask, after you told Karen to fuck off; and it
was Tushar who responded on your behalf - making Lynn right
as well. I love a win-win situation!

clo
********history**********
Long ago (March 4 or 5, 2003), Rita Chapman wrote (to Karen):
>>>
>>>         Thank you.  Now fuck off.

Date:         Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:20:09 -0600
From:         Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
Subject:      Re: Hmmmm....
>  02003-03-05 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Rita,
> > I am quickly becoming enamored of your winning ways
> > and gracious speech. May I come and sit at your feet and
> > learn netiquette from you?

>       No, fuck off

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Dan:
> Boise kids walk, and do so safely.

Kids around here walk to school, but
that's the safe part of their day.

The two schools in the Quarter, though,
(one Catholic, the other public) are
swarmed with cars at the start and end
of the school day.  No one who goes to
either school actually lives in the Quarter.

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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    This [leftover] foodfight is making me hungry.

JMW

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>> PS can somebody please point me to the archive URL again?
>> I need to look something up.
> listserv.uga.edu

If it's recent, and you can remember
the day of the <remark>...

ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/mmmdd

and an Edit->Find (or the equivalent) is
quicker and easier.  At least for me.

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On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

> clo:
> > My husband throws out milk that's "too old" after a few
> > hours, just on spec. This of course is not how I was
> > raised (see clabber, making of).
>
> It's my understanding that pasteurized
> (shouldn't that be capitalized?) milk
> doesn't go clabber-bad, it goes BAD.
>
> --
> Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too
>

I'm trying to remember if Mom ate the clabber back when we got milk
straight from the dairy bulk tank, or if it was later, when we were stuck
with store-bought. I am pretty sure she was standing in front of the
current sink at the time, which would make it store-bought and
pasteurized.

You can deliberately make yogurt from pasteurized milk; why shouldn't
volunteer bacteria do so?

clo

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clo:
>why shouldn't volunteer bacteria do so?

I think it's the characteristics of
the <volunteer> bugs; anything that
could grow in pastuerized milk is
from the wrong side of the tracks.

Sorta like Mao's "volunteers" in 1951.

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At 09:23 AM 6/6/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>     This [leftover] foodfight is making me hungry.
>
>JMW

That is what happened to me yesterday.

B

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6/5/2003, 4:55 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> Did you know you can now buy a
DM> digital throw-away camera?

DM> Did you ever . . . .?
DM> What will they think of next?

As far as I'm concerned, all digital cameras are throw away.  If they
break, you're sure not gonna be able to get it fixed for a reasonable
price, if at all.  Same as your TV, microwave, etc.

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6/5/2003, 6:13 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 12:16:08 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>> Anyway, in this household we have paid heavy taxes
>> all our lives, have never received a tax refund
>> and do not receive farm support money.

KK> I find it odd that you've *never* received a refund. I believe you, I
KK> just think it's unusual.

  Probably means they're good money managers.  Lots of people like to
  get big refunds, which means they're giving the government interest
  free loans for a year.  Ideally, we'd all have it figured so that
  when tax time came we'd mail in five bucks or something small like
  that.  Or even if you owe more, at least the money is working for
  you instead of DC, and you've then got it to pay the taxes with.

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6/5/2003, 6:47 PM, Karen Kay wrote:


KK> Well, I've gotten refunds the last two years, because of my house and
KK> lack of income. But I don't see how I could have had less withheld.

    You can specify any amount you want withheld.

dan

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>ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/mmmdd
>--
>Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

It's odd but for some reason my new computer won't let me get at
this.  Clyde is running Windows XP and I had no problem on his computer
bringing up this ftp page.  But on this one, the little IE symbol spins and
an hour glass appears and nothing ever happens.  I have to finally do an
alt-control-delete and stop that action.


bonnie

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From: "Karen Kay" <karen@wordwrite.com>
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> 6/5/2003, 6:13 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> Thursday, June 5, 2003, 12:16:08 AM, Doris Markland wrote:
>>> Anyway, in this household we have paid heavy taxes
>>> all our lives, have never received a tax refund
>>> and do not receive farm support money.
>
> KK> I find it odd that you've *never* received a refund. I believe you,
> I KK> just think it's unusual.
>
>   Probably means they're good money managers.  Lots of people like to
> get big refunds, which means they're giving the government interest
> free loans for a year.  Ideally, we'd all have it figured so that when
> tax time came we'd mail in five bucks or something small like that.
> Or even if you owe more, at least the money is working for you instead
> of DC, and you've then got it to pay the taxes with.

Even if you manage your money well, there are things out of your control
that could cause you to get a refund. For example, even if Gene and Doris
pegged it to the penny, if one of them changes jobs, they'd be entitled to
a refund.

Karen

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> clo:
> >why shouldn't volunteer bacteria do so?
>
> I think it's the characteristics of
> the <volunteer> bugs; anything that
> could grow in pastuerized milk is
> from the wrong side of the tracks.
>
> Sorta like Mao's "volunteers" in 1951.
>
> --
> Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

Nah. I think that pasteurization kills what's there, but has
no power to prevent new growth. Some is beneficial,
some harmful; some deliberate, some accidental.
You can clabber pasteurized milk.

clo

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/mmmdd
> >--
> >Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too
>
> It's odd but for some reason my new computer won't let me get at
> this.  Clyde is running Windows XP and I had no problem on his computer
> bringing up this ftp page.  But on this one, the little IE symbol spins and
> an hour glass appears and nothing ever happens.  I have to finally do an
> alt-control-delete and stop that action.
>
> bonnie

It ain't just you. either there's a typo or that site's down. the UGA
link worked fine, though.

clo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonniemaev
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:01 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>>ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/mmmdd
>>--
>>Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too
>
>It's odd but for some reason my new computer won't let me get at
>this.  Clyde is running Windows XP and I had no problem on his computer
>bringing up this ftp page.  But on this one, the little IE
>symbol spins and
>an hour glass appears and nothing ever happens.  I have to
>finally do an
>alt-control-delete and stop that action.
>
>
>bonnie
>

Bonnie,

try just ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/

and see if it works.


alec

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At 10:10 AM 6/6/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Well, get this through your fucking head:

Ah, it's great to see a linguist in action.

cwv

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> 6/5/2003, 6:47 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
> KK> Well, I've gotten refunds the last two years, because of my house
> and KK> lack of income. But I don't see how I could have had less
> withheld.
>
>     You can specify any amount you want withheld.

Not always. Most of my income had no taxes withheld. The exceptions were
things I couldn't control how much was withheld for.

Karen

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I'll take an XL, bonniev.

Thanks for sigining me up for the July 3 dinner, Adam.
I'm looking forward to checking out Mache Bistro - to
see if it does justice to Clyde's praises!

-rashmi

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>
>At 10:10 AM 6/6/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Well, get this through your fucking head:
>
>Ah, it's great to see a linguist in action.
>
>cwv
>

Be nice Clyde.

alec

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>try just ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/
>
>and see if it works.
>alec

I tried that yesterday and got the same hang.


bonnie

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Kristin Sarv:
= "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
=
= > Credit card- Use a payment service like Yahoo. I imagine you have a
= > Mastercard or Visa.
=
= Nope. Debut card, Maestro.
=
= Kristin

Maestro might be able to double as a Mastercard credit card.

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> >> PS can somebody please point me to the archive URL again?
> >> I need to look something up.
> > listserv.uga.edu
>
> If it's recent, and you can remember
> the day of the <remark>...
>
> ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/Archives/mmmdd
>
> and an Edit->Find (or the equivalent) is
> quicker and easier.  At least for me.
>
> --
> Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

Oh, duh - well, I was reading to fast, and maybe bonnie did
the same? I just clicked on the "link", instead of copying and
pasting, then entering the date I was looking for.

Anyway, thanks.

clo

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= DON'T MIND SKIPPING MEALS (EXCEPT BREAKFAST).  I WOULD MUCH PREFER NOT
= TO EAT THAN TO MAKE MYSELF EAT SOMETHING I FIND YUKKY.  I SEE NOTHING TO
= BE GAINED BY FORCING FOOD DOWN INSTEAD OF SIMPLY *NOT EATING IT*.
=
=           -- the end --
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
=     Save This Country! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Wow, when's the last time someone got to screaming around here?

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> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

And she's not kidding - she unsubbed from multiple addresses.

--Adam

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Adam Hartfield
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:12 PM
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>
>
>> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all
>have fun.
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>And she's not kidding - she unsubbed from multiple addresses.
>
>--Adam
>

I feel no guilt. Dan should not feel any either.

peace,


alec

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At 05:05 PM 6/6/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>I'll take an XL, bonniev.
>
>Thanks for sigining me up for the July 3 dinner, Adam.
>I'm looking forward to checking out Mache Bistro - to
>see if it does justice to Clyde's praises!


We will inform Maureen tonight that the pressure is on.

cwv

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=
= ok, that understood. Do you have a Visa and a Mastercard from a non-American
= bank.
=
= alec

I do, actually.  Credit card use among the .nl-ers has been
gaining in recent years.

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>> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.
>>
>> --
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> And she's not kidding - she unsubbed from multiple addresses.

I hope she comes back.:(

Karen

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clo:
> You can clabber pasteurized milk.

O.K., are you talking about adding
special clabberizing-juice to the
milk, or just letting it sit?

'Cuz manomanischevitz, if you can
make food out of what I found in
my refigerator yesterday, my hat
is off to you.

The disposal threw up.

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> clo:
> > You can clabber pasteurized milk.
>
> O.K., are you talking about adding
> special clabberizing-juice to the
> milk, or just letting it sit?
>
> 'Cuz manomanischevitz, if you can
> make food out of what I found in
> my refigerator yesterday, my hat
> is off to you.
>
> The disposal threw up.

Not all bacteria is good, I grant you. They thought my dog
had eaten rat poison with strychnine once, after he got into
white bread in a tied plastic bag that sat in the sun for a
couple of weeks. They had to induce a sort of coma for
4 days with muscle relaxants to pull him through.

But to clarify the story,

somebody left milk out in a bowl. I don't know if Mom
did, on purpose, or if it was somebody's cereal bowl that
had been sitting. After some period of time, my dad found
it, and it was congealed. <Remarks> were made. Mom
picked it up, sniffed it, and said, "what are you talking
about? it's perfectly good - it's just clabber". or words to
that effect. And ate it.

This was before yogurt was popular - but I might add,
my dad still won't touch yogurt, and calls it spoiled milk.

clo

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> > clo:
> > > You can clabber pasteurized milk.
> >
> > O.K., are you talking about adding
> > special clabberizing-juice to the
> > milk, or just letting it sit?
> >
> > 'Cuz manomanischevitz, if you can
> > make food out of what I found in
> > my refigerator yesterday, my hat
> > is off to you.
> >
> > The disposal threw up.
>
> Not all bacteria is good, I grant you. They thought my dog
> had eaten rat poison with strychnine once, after he got into
> white bread in a tied plastic bag that sat in the sun for a
> couple of weeks. They had to induce a sort of coma for
> 4 days with muscle relaxants to pull him through.
>
> But to clarify the story,
>
> somebody left milk out in a bowl. I don't know if Mom
> did, on purpose, or if it was somebody's cereal bowl that
> had been sitting. After some period of time, my dad found
> it, and it was congealed. <Remarks> were made. Mom
> picked it up, sniffed it, and said, "what are you talking
> about? it's perfectly good - it's just clabber". or words to
> that effect. And ate it.
>
> This was before yogurt was popular - but I might add,
> my dad still won't touch yogurt, and calls it spoiled milk.
>
> clo

Oh  - PS, lest you get the impression that my Dad is a normal,
cautious person - he was eating food in 1985 or so that his
mother had canned in the 1940's (like cold spaghetti sauce,
eew, and canned plums, than which there is not much more
unpalatable in my eyes), straight from the jar (uncooked).
clo

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At 10:53 AM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/5/2003, 4:55 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>DM> Did you know you can now buy a
>DM> digital throw-away camera?
>
>DM> Did you ever . . . .?
>DM> What will they think of next?
>
>As far as I'm concerned, all digital cameras are throw away.  If they
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>price, if at all.  Same as your TV, microwave, etc.

I know you usually know best but we have gotten our microwave repaired
twice at a reasonable rate.

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Donna Hightower. Very nice. I guess she's considered gospel, but she's
singing a lot of blues. (http://www.kut.org)

Karen

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Didn't I send you some CDs along with Alyce's garden rock? Did you ever get
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--Adam

> Donna Hightower. Very nice. I guess she's considered gospel, but she's
> singing a lot of blues. (http://www.kut.org)
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> Didn't I send you some CDs along with Alyce's garden rock? Did you ever
> get that?

Yes, I got it, but I've been slow to open the Alyce things. It took me
several weeks to be able to open Alyce's ET, and I cried the whole time.
Your package is on my kitchen table.

Karen

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From: 14lodge@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Sweet Potatoes
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> We *did* consume the champagne, btw.  When I mentioned it, one of the
> group said she'd love some since it was her 37th wedding anniversary.

We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding anniversary. It was Dom Perignon too -- a housewarming gift from a couple of years ago.

Marie

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Subject: RE: Sweet Potatoes
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:09 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Sweet Potatoes
>
>
>> We *did* consume the champagne, btw.  When I mentioned it, one of the
>> group said she'd love some since it was her 37th wedding anniversary.
>
>We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding
>anniversary. It was Dom Perignon too -- a housewarming gift
>from a couple of years ago.
>
>Marie
>

Happy Anniversary Marie. Many more I hope. Marriage for me is a like a good
wine, it gets better with age.


alec

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At 12:52 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ah, yes, it is truly fest time!  We have just had the annual pre-fest
>blow-up-and-unsub ritual.
>
>Natalie isn't usually so sensitive.

AleX and Dan persevered. It was a thing of beauty with others helping out.

I miss Theo.

Betty

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I have missed most of this morning's discussions
but I must say I love baklava.  I made it once tho
and didn't love making it.  Too much work.

I just ate a roast beef sandwich for lunch.  The
roast had been in the frig for three days.  Tasted
great.

I am getting anywhere from 5 - 8 copies of each
post today.  Anyone else?

Well, I hope Natalie returns.  Wouldn't be
Words-l without her.

            - D. M.

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Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!

How do we get her back?

Can we trade in Dan Lester?

Marie

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Marie:
> Can we trade in Dan Lester?

Divide yourselves into tribes and
decide who to throw off, you apes.

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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If you want her back tell her so backchannel.

BrP




> Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!
>
> How do we get her back?
>
> Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>
> Marie

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> Marie:
>> Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>
> Divide yourselves into tribes and
> decide who to throw off, you apes.

It's all so... Lord of the Flies.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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> Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!
>
> How do we get her back?
>
> Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>
> Marie

Why can't we all just get along?

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:11 PM
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>
>
>At 12:52 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ah, yes, it is truly fest time!  We have just had the annual pre-fest
>>blow-up-and-unsub ritual.
>>
>>Natalie isn't usually so sensitive.
>
>AleX and Dan persevered. It was a thing of beauty with others
>helping out.
>
>I miss Theo.
>
>Betty
>

Bad Betty Bad. Nice try.


alec

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Subject: RE: [personal]      Re: Has Anything Happened Today?
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
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>Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!
>
>How do we get her back?
>
>Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>
>Marie
>

Don't discuss leftovers ever again.


alec

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At 11:28 AM 6/6/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>Why can't we all just get along?

To quote Janet/Verdant:  "Because this is words-f*****g-l"

cwv

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!
> >
> >How do we get her back?
> >
> >Can we trade in Dan Lester?
> >
> >Marie
> >
>
> Don't discuss leftovers ever again.
>
> alec

Cute. It's not the leftovers. She gets caught in the details of
topics, sure.

It's the constant comments on her mutancy,
with a topping of "you're why people leave the list".

I'm sure Alyce dying and political stuff don't help.
Pre-fest or post-death, if it wasn't Natalie it would be
someone else. Things are really tense here.

I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
Words - fucking - L.
clo

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> I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
> Words - fucking - L.

Oh it is. And people leave. Some storm off. Some go quietly. Some return. Some don't. But Natalie? I didn't think she'd ever unsub. For better or worse, she's at the center of words-l. Has she ever unsubbed before?

Marie

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>I'm sure Alyce dying and political stuff don't help.
Pre-fest or post-death, if it wasn't Natalie it would be
someone else. Things are really tense here.

>I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
Words - fucking - L.
clo


Whoa, Noob.

AS

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>> I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
>> Words - fucking - L.
>
> Oh it is. And people leave. Some storm off. Some go quietly. Some
> return. Some don't. But Natalie? I didn't think she'd ever unsub. For
> better or worse, she's at the center of words-l. Has she ever unsubbed
> before?

I don't think so. I never unsubbed before, either.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Off to Toronto.
Again
I'll see you Monday
If there's anything left of words-l when y'all are done beating up on each other.

BrP

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I'm going to a vizsla show tomorrow at SUNY Purchase. I'm going to meet the potential mother of a (my) puppy and her human and mate. I'm excited. I hope we get along well.

This is Nellie:

http://www.infodog.com/my/dogpage.htm?akc=SN%2075067001

And this is her fella:

http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Dillon.html

This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to a dog show?

Marie
   newbie

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>
> This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to a dog show?
>
> Marie
>    newbie


a collar and a leash ?

BrP

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> > This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to
> a dog show?
>
> a collar and a leash ?

You bitch!

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>>
>> This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to a dog
>> show?
>>
>> Marie
>>    newbie
>
>
> a collar and a leash ?

You've been hanging out with Janet's crowd again!

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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>This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to a dog
show?


>Marie
   newbie

Just have another look at "Best In Show" ... and pick one outfit.

:).

AS

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> >This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to
> a dog
> show?
>
> Just have another look at "Best In Show" ... and pick one outfit.
>
> :).

You have a nice whorish jumper I could borrow?

Marie

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> Did I tell this story already?  My mind is going.

No, but it's very sweet.


Karen
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> >We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding
> >anniversary. It was Dom Perignon too -- a housewarming gift
> >from a couple of years ago.        Marie
>
>Happy Anniversary Marie. Many more I hope. Marriage for me is a like a good
>wine, it gets better with age.           alec

Yes, happy anniversary Marie and Bruce.  I always think of the romantic way
he proposed on the Brooklyn Bridge.  A young couple we know is visiting
Acadia this week.  We had them over for dinner Monday night.  They walked
from Blackwoods Campground, up the south slope of Cadillac, down the north
ridge of Cadillac, into Bar Harbor for a bottle of wine, and back out Eagle
Lake Road to our house for drinks and dinner.  Only at desert time did they
announce that Steve had proposed marriage to Susie some place just after
Eagle's Crag on the south ridge of Cadillac Mountain.  She was sporting a
big diamond that neither Clyde nor I noticed.

Did I tell this story already?  My mind is going.


bonnie

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> >This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to
> a dog
> show?
>
> Just have another look at "Best In Show" ... and pick one outfit.
>
> :).


>You have a nice whorish jumper I could borrow?


>Marie

Never did. :).

AS

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> Yes, happy anniversary Marie and Bruce.  I always think of the
> romantic way
> he proposed on the Brooklyn Bridge.

Well, things are still good. He cooked me dinner last night (his specialty, chicken parmagiana). And then we settled in for a good ole hockey game -- did anyone see that last night? (one more to go!!) Yep, things are romantic as ever.

> announce that Steve had proposed marriage to Susie some place just
> afterEagle's Crag on the south ridge of Cadillac Mountain.  She
> was sporting a
> big diamond that neither Clyde nor I noticed.>
> Did I tell this story already?  My mind is going.

Nope, or else I missed it. Nice.

Marie

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>Divide yourselves into tribes and
>decide who to throw off, you apes.
>Richard

I love it!!  And they say Survivor isn't a <reality> show!


bonnie

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At 10:04 PM 6/6/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>steph wrote:
>
> >
> > =  Debut card, Maestro.
> > =
> > = Kristin
> >
> > Maestro might be able to double as a Mastercard credit card.
>
>If I only knew what exactly this "to double" meas. At the moment I do not
>have a credit card, for the fee for it is not very small and would be just
>a waste. Besides, I have a small credit on my account for absolutely no
>extra fee, only the interests (?) are to be payed when I use it. I'll take
>a credit card when it becomes too inconvenient to be without one.

I believe that steph is using it in the sense of "substituting for"

cwv

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At 12:07 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Did I tell this story already?  My mind is going.
>
>No, but it's very sweet.

Her mind?  Or the story?

cwv

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> > Did I tell this story already?  My mind is going.
>
>No, but it's very sweet.
>Karen

Oh good.  I taught Susie how to row back when she was in high school.  Now
she is the head referee at the Head of the Charles and a physician in her
final stages of training in Worchester, MA.  Steve is a chemist for
Wyeth.  I didn't realize that until after I had fed him creme brulee.  I
did mention the horse farms in Alberta that Wyeth uses to produce their
Premarin.  He was unrepentant.  I didn't push it.


bonnie

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >But we must talk about exactly how I'll pay. How will Espen? Or anybody who
> >hadn't got an account in a bank of the US? Cheque?     --Kristin
>
> Yes, we will have to talk about that.  Maybe in your case you could pay Mem
> directly into a PayPal account.  Is that possible, mem?

I recently investigated for all paying options at the net site of my bank. One
thing I must ask in the office is which is the swiftest, and then, in which
cases the beneficiary/receiver will have not to pay anything for
I-do-not-know-what. It seemed to me that a cheque might be the best option.

I also must look for the shipping fee on the envelope I kept after having got
the T-shirt from Alyce. But I am not sure whether it is written on it.

So, somebody please send me privately the account to which I should send money,
and I'll let you know how I'll pay -- on Monday the latest (tomorrow being
Saturday I do not think I can get to know anything before).

Kristin

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The Blushing Bride:
>a good ole hockey game -- did anyone see that last night?

Some of those unbelievably cheap
goals the Ducks got in the first
two rounds (and, of course, the
stick-dropping fiasco the other
night) are evening out.

--
Richard     well, of course Xerox did it too

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> > > Maestro might be able to double as a Mastercard credit card.
> >
> >If I only knew what exactly this "to double" means. At the moment I do not
> >have a credit card, for the fee for it is not very small and would be just
> >a waste. Besides, I have a small credit on my account for absolutely no
> >extra fee, only the interests (?) are to be payed when I use it. I'll take
> >a credit card when it becomes too inconvenient to be without one.
>
> I believe that steph is using it in the sense of "substituting for"

Aha. Well, my answer would be the same, but another message just sent by me
will say more to the point of paying.

Kristin

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> I did mention the horse farms in Alberta that Wyeth uses to
> produce their Premarin.  He was unrepentant.  I didn't push it.

LOL.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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> At 12:07 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Did I tell this story already?  My mind is going.
>>
>>No, but it's very sweet.
>
> Her mind?  Or the story?

Oh, both...

Karen
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>So, somebody please send me privately the account to which I should send
>money,
>and I'll let you know how I'll pay -- on Monday the latest (tomorrow being
>Saturday I do not think I can get to know anything before).
>Kristin

Slow down, Kristin!   We don't even know yet what the shirts are going to
cost.  It will be three weeks or more before I'm ready to mail one to
you.  We'll work it out.  Not to worry.


bonnie

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I can't think of a better spam for this list to get, considering the
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6/6/2003, 1:24 AM, Nealer Dales wrote:

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6/6/2003, 6:44 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> don't want to cross the line into penalties (which I've never done yet
NM> with the feds, though I've come close -- it's happened to me with the
NM> state a few times, though not by very much -- i.e., the penalties have
NM> been small -- but it's still a bother to have to figure them in, at
NM> least on our state form).

You mean you don't use turbotax or comparable software.  You still do
it the old fashioned way?

dan

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Unless you're handling, casual attire is customary.  I'd recommend jeans and
shoes as opposed to shorts/skirt
and sandals -- the parts of your body on dog level tend to get pretty dirty
(feet also tend to get drooled on).

When you arrive, get a copy of the premium, which will tell you the ring
number and time for each
breed.  Then you can decide what you want to see.  Groups and Breed are
always in the afternoon, of course.

Bring some money to visit the vendors!  They always have cool stuff.  The
food is usually not that great.

You should ask questions of other Viszla breeders, but etiquette dictates
that you don't approach until after
they've competed -- people get tense before their classes sometimes.

Oh, bring a couple of camp chairs to sit in when you're watching classes.



-- Rita C.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:52 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Vizslas
>
>
>I'm going to a vizsla show tomorrow at SUNY Purchase. I'm
>going to meet the potential mother of a (my) puppy and her
>human and mate. I'm excited. I hope we get along well.
>
>This is Nellie:
>
>http://www.infodog.com/my/dogpage.htm?akc=SN%2075067001
>
>And this is her fella:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/ourvizslas/Dillon.html
>
>This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear
>to a dog show?
>
>Marie
>   newbie
>

Everything I have read and the Vets I have talked to, love this breed. They
fun dogs. Working with three Vets, I get lots of free information.

alec

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=
= I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
= Words - fucking - L.
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It IS always like this.

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steph wrote:

>
> =  Debut card, Maestro.
> =
> = Kristin
>
> Maestro might be able to double as a Mastercard credit card.

If I only knew what exactly this "to double" meas. At the moment I do not
have a credit card, for the fee for it is not very small and would be just
a waste. Besides, I have a small credit on my account for absolutely no
extra fee, only the interests (?) are to be payed when I use it. I'll take
a credit card when it becomes too inconvenient to be without one.

Kristin

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= >
= > Maestro might be able to double as a Mastercard credit card.
=
= If I only knew what exactly this "to double" meas. At the moment I do not
= have a credit card, for the fee for it is not very small and would be just
= a waste. Besides, I have a small credit on my account for absolutely no
= extra fee, only the interests (?) are to be payed when I use it. I'll take
= a credit card when it becomes too inconvenient to be without one.
=
= Kristin

Clyde's answered the words question.

I forget whether you can surf or are just restricted to email (or
perhaps that was once, a long time ago?)  Anyway, see
http://www.maestrocard.com/

Maestro is the debit version of Mastercard, and the front page of
the web site says something about Internet transactions.  There
it says, "If your bank has not already contacted you about
activating your Maestro-enabled card for web usage, you will
first need to contact your bank to make sure they are currently
participating in Maestro e-commerce."

So, there you have it.

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> >We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding
> >anniversary. It was Dom Perignon too -- a housewarming gift
> >from a couple of years ago.

Happy anniversary, Marie and Bruce!

Alec:

> Happy Anniversary Marie. Many more I hope. Marriage for me is a like a good
> wine, it gets better with age.

I wonder, might there be couples who have at home many bottles of good wine
since their wedding day, so that they can open one at every anniversary to see,
for example, which has improved more, either their marriage or the wine. Hmm,
rather a romantic idea, I think.

Kristin

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> 6/6/2003, 6:44 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> NM> don't want to cross the line into penalties (which I've never done
> yet NM> with the feds, though I've come close -- it's happened to me
> with the NM> state a few times, though not by very much -- i.e., the
> penalties have NM> been small -- but it's still a bother to have to
> figure them in, at NM> least on our state form).
>
> You mean you don't use turbotax or comparable software.  You still do it
> the old fashioned way?

This was covered ad nauseam the preceding 3 Januaries.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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6/6/2003, 9:15 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> Dan, head for cover Dr. Mutant is screaming at you.

Thanks, but no BFD.  I'm used to it.  She doesn't scare me even on her
worst days.  And working at a university, I'm pretty good at dodging
assorted shitballs lobbed my way.


dan

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >and I'll let you know how I'll pay -- on Monday the latest (tomorrow being
> >Saturday I do not think I can get to know anything before).
> >Kristin
>
> Slow down, Kristin!

ok :-) You see, some years ago some international money orders took even a
month to be carried out. And as I guess it was not only because our banks
hadn't yet developed quickly enough but also for some internatonal rules of
banks. That's why I was a bit worried: that you'll wait and wait for it, and no
sum would arrive.

> We don't even know yet what the shirts are going to
> cost.  It will be three weeks or more before I'm ready to mail one to
> you.  We'll work it out.  Not to worry.

I won't any more. Just will look now and then at the nice shirt on the screen.

Kristin

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6/6/2003, 9:17 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
NM> didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
NM> about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
NM> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.

So will this be a short term pout, or a long term funk?


dan

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6/6/2003, 9:34 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> We all have very different lives.



dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:27 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>> >We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding
>> >anniversary. It was Dom Perignon too -- a housewarming gift
>> >from a couple of years ago.
>
>Happy anniversary, Marie and Bruce!
>
>Alec:
>
>> Happy Anniversary Marie. Many more I hope. Marriage for me
>is a like a good
>> wine, it gets better with age.
>
>I wonder, might there be couples who have at home many bottles
>of good wine
>since their wedding day, so that they can open one at every
>anniversary to see,
>for example, which has improved more, either their marriage or
>the wine. Hmm,
>rather a romantic idea, I think.
>
>Kristin
>

One of my family's friends from France sent us a wonderful bottle of red
wine as a wedding gift. I don't like most red wines. I will most likely give
it to my dad. He figures after five years it will be wonderful.


alec

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steph wrote:

> I forget whether you can surf or are just restricted to email (or
> perhaps that was once, a long time ago?)  Anyway, see
> http://www.maestrocard.com/

Yes, I can see it.

> Maestro is the debit version of Mastercard, and the front page of
> the web site says something about Internet transactions.  There
> it says, "If your bank has not already contacted you about
> activating your Maestro-enabled card for web usage, you will
> first need to contact your bank to make sure they are currently
> participating in Maestro e-commerce."

Thanks. I'll read it thoroughly.

Lately, though, I have been more afraid of spyware than earlier, and I run
Ad-aware 6.0 almost every time before I use my access to the Internet bank. But
it's so convenient to pay everything via web!

Kristin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williams" <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
> Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > LMAO...  This worm has just hit administration here at URI... It's
> > forwarding everyone's personal notes around to a number of recipients...
> > 'makes for entertaining reading for many, embarrassing reading for a few
>
>     Hey, so THAT'S where the URI message in my inbox came from!  Nothing
> interesting, however.
>
> JMW

It landed in none other than the president's office first ;-)   Harrrr!

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'Just bought one... it was 5 & change... and will be obsolete in about two
years.


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Did you know you can now buy a
digital throw-away camera?

Did you ever . . . .?
What will they think of next?

                 - D. M.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> > I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
> > Words - fucking - L.
>
> Oh it is. And people leave. Some storm off. Some go quietly. Some return. Some don't. But Natalie? I didn't think she'd ever unsub. For better or worse, she's at the center of words-l. Has she ever unsubbed before?

It was most unexpected. By me, at least. And I got it to know only in this thread a moment ago and have no time today any more to read about "leftovers". I try to go on reading for a quarter of an hour left before
leaving for home.

Kristin

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> Unless you're handling, casual attire is customary.  I'd recommend
> jeans and
> shoes as opposed to shorts/skirt
> and sandals -- the parts of your body on dog level tend to get
> pretty dirty
> (feet also tend to get drooled on).

Thanks, Rita, that's what I'd hoped. Good advice about the drool avoidance -- no open toes here.

> When you arrive, get a copy of the premium, which will tell you
> the ring
> number and time for each
> breed.  Then you can decide what you want to see.  Groups and
> Breed are
> always in the afternoon, of course.

As far as I know it's only a Vizsla show -- the Connecticut Valley Vizsla Society or somesuch organization is sponsoring it. But I could be wrong.

Marie

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Folks,

Check out www.maynor.net, words-l has been erased. Pages edited today.


alec

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6/6/2003, 1:59 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

ADP> Folks,

ADP> Check out www.maynor.net, words-l has been erased. Pages edited today.

She did add a couple entries to her blog this morning, but not sure if
they were before or after unsubbing.  But they don't relate to
words-l.

I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.

dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:13 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Could be serious
>
>
>6/6/2003, 1:59 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>ADP> Folks,
>
>ADP> Check out www.maynor.net, words-l has been erased. Pages
>edited today.
>
>She did add a couple entries to her blog this morning, but not sure if
>they were before or after unsubbing.  But they don't relate to
>words-l.
>
>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
>
>dan
>

Not being her friend, for obvious reasons, I will not be emailing her. One
of her friends can find out the scoop.


------------
Alec D. Plotkin
''If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution
inevitable.'' - John F. Kennedy

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6/6/2003, 11:17 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>And she's not kidding - she unsubbed from multiple addresses.
>>
>>--Adam
>>

ADP> I feel no guilt. Dan should not feel any either.

     I feel no guilt.  She'll be back, just depends on how long the
     funk is.

dan

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6/6/2003, 11:36 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

>>As far as I'm concerned, all digital cameras are throw away.  If they
>>break, you're sure not gonna be able to get it fixed for a reasonable
>>price, if at all.  Same as your TV, microwave, etc.

BC> I know you usually know best but we have gotten our microwave repaired
BC> twice at a reasonable rate.

     That's good.  The only time I've had a microwave go the fix was
     considerably more than buying a new one.

dan

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6/6/2003, 12:22 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!

MA> How do we get her back?

MA> Can we trade in Dan Lester?

  Hey, blame me if you want.  If anything I said pissed her off, it
  was only because I was posting behind, and I was amazed she went to
  all the trouble of typing in the same stuff all over again...at
  least it didn't look or sound cut and pasted.

dan

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > 6/5/2003, 2:49 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> > ADP> After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left Words-l.
> > ADP> They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a room with no
> > ADP> logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime soon, I just
> > ADP> regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.
>
> Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
> didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care
> about Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The
> only moral thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.

Oh, my!

I'm short of words! It isn't like that! I understand what "a room with no logical exit"
means, more or less, but that can be ignored whenever one wishes! Or not. But I do not
say more at the moment. It's not up me to say anything on the part of people who feel,
or have felt, insulted by Natalie, for I haven't been in such a situation. But I've
been sure Natalie cares.

Ok. She'll be back, I guess. It's Words-l. (Like a mantra it sounds, eh?)

Kristin

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6/6/2003, 12:32 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> At 11:28 AM 6/6/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Why can't we all just get along?

cwv> To quote Janet/Verdant:  "Because this is words-f*****g-l"

I believe that's what I said to our newcomer the other day.  Speaking
of which, has this contretemps scared her off?

dan

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

>  The truth hurts.

Truth? Everybody has their own.

Kristin

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6/6/2003, 12:32 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!
>>
>>How do we get her back?
>>
>>Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>>
>>Marie
>>

ADP> Don't discuss leftovers ever again.

  Hey, Alec, you calling me a leftover?  Careful, I'll get
  pissed.....and then I'd have to run away and pout too....


dan

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6/6/2003, 12:47 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

>> I thought maybe it was always like this. After all, it is
>> Words - fucking - L.

MA> Oh it is. And people leave. Some storm off. Some go quietly. Some return. Some don't.
MA> But Natalie? I didn't think she'd ever unsub. For better or worse, she's at the center
MA> of words-l. Has she ever unsubbed before?

    She'll be back, same as many others.

dan

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Just had word . .
>
> His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> in Florida.

How great!!!!!!!!!!!

Good night, for today.

Kristin

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6/6/2003, 12:54 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to a dog
ABS> show?


>>Marie
ABS>    newbie

ABS> Just have another look at "Best In Show" ... and pick one outfit.

      Or mix and match them.

dan

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At 01:24 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
>Marie:
> > Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>
>Divide yourselves into tribes and
>decide who to throw off, you apes.


LOL.  Thanks for that.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:03 PM
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>
>
>6/6/2003, 12:32 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>>Natalie unsubscribed!!!!!
>>>
>>>How do we get her back?
>>>
>>>Can we trade in Dan Lester?
>>>
>>>Marie
>>>
>
>ADP> Don't discuss leftovers ever again.
>
>  Hey, Alec, you calling me a leftover?  Careful, I'll get
>  pissed.....and then I'd have to run away and pout too....
>
>
>dan
>

LOL  Thanks, I needed to laugh.


alec

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6/6/2003, 1:31 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> You mean you don't use turbotax or comparable software.  You still do it
>> the old fashioned way?

KK> This was covered ad nauseam the preceding 3 Januaries.

    Ah well, another example of my senility.  Or else I was nomail
    then trying to have a life.  Who knows.

dan

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> >  The truth hurts.
> Truth? Everybody has their own.

What is truth?

--
Joe's brother Pontius

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6/6/2003, 2:07 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:

>> >  The truth hurts.
>> Truth? Everybody has their own.

hpv> What is truth?

     Hey, this could start a REALLY good pissing and shouting match.

dan

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6/6/2003, 2:08 PM, Bonniemaev wrote:

>>I believe that's what I said to our newcomer the other day.  Speaking
>>of which, has this contretemps scared her off?
>>dan

B> No, she said she would be gone for a few days, with her husband for medical
B> tests.

    Thanks for info.  I must have napped through that post.

dan

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Folks,

I will be checking in all weekend, but not too often. We have many things to
pack.

Peace,

Alec

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>I believe that's what I said to our newcomer the other day.  Speaking
>of which, has this contretemps scared her off?
>dan

No, she said she would be gone for a few days, with her husband for medical
tests.


bonnie

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6/6/2003, 2:22 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>>won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
>>
>>dan
>>

ADP> Not being her friend, for obvious reasons, I will not be emailing her. One
ADP> of her friends can find out the scoop.

      Same here.  I won't email direct either, as would probably just
      cause more heat or bloodshed.  In the past (early 90s) we were
      pretty close for a while, but that has changed, though can't
      identify any specific reason.  Probably that we're too much like
      brother and sister in many ways.  And my sister (1.5 years
      younger, Natalie and I are practically twins) and I fought
      almost to her dying day, though we never stopped loving each
      other.

dan

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I will be checking in all weekend, but not too often. We have many things to
> pack.
>
> Peace,
>
> Alec
>
> Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are.
> ~Bertold Brecht

Alec,
Good luck with the move!
I will be driving past you this weekend, through Chadd's Ford
to see my sister (wherever that it) on the way to Alexandria VA
for non-profit training on Sun and Mon, then back up.
I'll think good boxing thoughts.

clo

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Kristin:

>Ok. She'll be back, I guess. It's Words-l. (Like a mantra it sounds, eh?)

I dunno. Natalie's never unsubbed before. Leaving (or threatening to leave)
is not her style.

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> Kristin:
>
>>Ok. She'll be back, I guess. It's Words-l. (Like a mantra it sounds,
>> eh?)
>
> I dunno. Natalie's never unsubbed before. Leaving (or threatening to
> leave) is not her style.

I agree.

Karen
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Clyde:
>
>> Yes, fits of pique have many dimensions.
>
>
> But Natale's not given to fits of pique. She usually stays and fights
> it out on list (and keeps going longer than others).


        Natalie is tired and has had a lot of change recently.  It
probably isn't that she's so pissed at Dan and Alec (who
have pissed her off before), but just taking other things
out on words-l.  Shit, that's what I do.  Natalie is not a
little girl.  She will be back when she's ready and/or if
she's ready. IMO.





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Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:

>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.

Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?

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> Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:
>
>>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
>
> Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?

Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
allow for the possibility that she's really gone.

Karen
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6/6/2003, 2:42 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:


>>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>>won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.

RM> Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?

    You lost your dictionary?  Offering an opinion is know it all
    mode?  Guess that we must all be know it alls then.

    Whatever.

dan

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6/6/2003, 2:44 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>>> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
>>
>> Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?

KK> Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
KK> allow for the possibility that she's really gone.

   Oh, it is possible, I'll grant.  I never excluded it by offering an
   opinion to the contrary.  Hell, opinions on it are all any of us
   has.

   And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
   been gone for over a year before.

dan

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> I will be driving past you this weekend, through Chadd's Ford
> >to see my sister (wherever that it) on the way to Alexandria VA
> >clo
>
> Your sister lives in Chadd's Ford?  Does she know the Wyeth family or any
> of the people he painted there?
>
> bonnie

This is the sister who was living in Kiln, MS, and took me to
lunch in Bay St. Louis. She got promoted by DuPont, and is
now working in Delaware. Chadd's Ford was the closest affordable
dinky apartment, according to her, and they are very uncomfortable
there. Given her workstyle, I doubt that she knows much of C's F
outside of the direct route to work.

clo

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>    And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
> been gone for over a year before.

Sometimes it's not how long you're gone but how you left.

Karen
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> This is the sister who was living in Kiln, MS, and took me to
> lunch in Bay St. Louis. She got promoted by DuPont, and is
> now working in Delaware.

Rashmi lives in Delaware!

Karen
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fixed."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > This is the sister who was living in Kiln, MS, and took me to
> > lunch in Bay St. Louis. She got promoted by DuPont, and is
> > now working in Delaware.
>
> Rashmi lives in Delaware!
>
> Karen
> "If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
> fixed."

Cool.
Hi Rashmi. I'll be travelling near your space this weekend.
clo

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Well, folks, I am off. I never know on these trips if I will get an
email connection in the interim, but I sure hope that things turn
out well.

as a passing note, I haven't been around long enough to deserve
to be counted as Natalie's anything, but I did send a note of
remorse for my part in her unhappiness. But nothing makes
me think she will be reading that, either.

Everyone gets plenty of sorrow in life without me adding to it.
clo

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Clyde:

>Yes, fits of pique have many dimensions.

But Natale's not given to fits of pique. She usually stays and fights
it out on list (and keeps going longer than others).

-rashmi

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I will be driving past you this weekend, through Chadd's Ford
>to see my sister (wherever that it) on the way to Alexandria VA
>clo

Your sister lives in Chadd's Ford?  Does she know the Wyeth family or any
of the people he painted there?


bonnie

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At 02:04 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:

>Sometimes it's not how long you're gone but how you left.

"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, we are speaking to you from the depths
of profundity."

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At 09:22 PM 6/6/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>But Natale's not given to fits of pique.

Of course she is.  This time the fit simply has taken on new dimensions.

cwv

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Marie Ascher wrote:


> As far as I know it's only a Vizsla show -- the Connecticut Valley Vizsla Society or somesuch organization is sponsoring it. But I could be wrong.
>


It's a breed specialty, then.  These aren't as big as
all-breed shows.  But have fun -- the mom and dad look nice.




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At 02:03 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>     She'll be back, same as many others.

Yes, fits of pique have many dimensions.

cwv

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At 03:02 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
  > And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
>    been gone for over a year before.


3 years, 257 days.

(Just an opinion, mind you)

cwv

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At 02:02 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>I believe that's what I said to our newcomer the other day.  Speaking
>of which, has this contretemps scared her off?

I don't think so.  Seems to me, her husband is having surgery or some other
fairly serious medical procedure.

cwv

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Rita:

>Natalie is tired and has had a lot of change recently.  It
>probably isn't that she's so pissed at Dan and Alec (who
>have pissed her off before), but just taking other things
>out on words-l.  Shit, that's what I do.  Natalie is not a
>little girl.  She will be back when she's ready and/or if
>she's ready. IMO

I agree. Natalie's a big girl and can take care of herself. I
was disputing the "everybody does it, that's just words-l"
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6/6/2003, 3:07 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> At 03:02 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
cwv>   > And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
>>    been gone for over a year before.


cwv> 3 years, 257 days.

cwv> (Just an opinion, mind you)

OK, as long as you're not in know it all mode.

My opinion is 833 days.  The math is left as an exercise for the
student.

dan

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita:
>
>> Natalie is tired and has had a lot of change recently.  It
>> probably isn't that she's so pissed at Dan and Alec (who
>> have pissed her off before), but just taking other things
>> out on words-l.  Shit, that's what I do.  Natalie is not a
>> little girl.  She will be back when she's ready and/or if
>> she's ready. IMO
>
>
> I agree. Natalie's a big girl and can take care of herself. I
> was disputing the "everybody does it, that's just words-l"
> spin.


        Oh, I'd agree with you on that one.




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In a message dated 06/06/2003 11:53:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

<<
.  If they
break, you're sure not gonna be able to get it fixed for a reasonable
price, if at all.  Same as your TV, microwave, etc.

>>

Dare I mention the Maintenance Agreement?  Nah.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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In a message dated 06/06/2003 7:46:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I think we might
get a price break if we go over 25.

>>

I'll go ahead and order one; XL.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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In a message dated 06/06/2003 12:30:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I hope she comes back.:(

>>

So do I.

Evelyn Duncan
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  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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>   There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
> which the windows are covered with black paint.

I like this description of depression.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 7:47:04 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
> As of this morning, I am still employed.

Yay!

> The buzz from the board meeting is still in the air. There's been no
> official word, I expect to get that today at our weekly pizza lunch. The
> unofficial word is no changes in personnel on any level.

Double yay.

> Although I'm safe, I plan to continue squirreling away as much money as
> possible in an emergency fund. Iv'e also been keeping my household and
> credit card expenses down. Otherwise I'm trying to relax a little and enjoy
> the fruits of my labor.

Squirreling money away is a good idea.

> With the exception of one lead, I'm not going to look for another job.
> There are many reasons for this, among them, it's exhausting, I'm risking
> being somewhere I don't want to be just for the sake of not being here, and
> there's not much out there.

Yep.

Bonne chance.

Karen

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:48:20 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
[about Natalie]
> If over this discussion, she really leaves Words-l, I would be very
> surprised. We have had discussions which were as horrible and painful. As a
> family, we are cruel and nasty. We usually apologize for being nasty, or
> leave.

But you're not apologizing.

When I left the list before, I had intended to stay away permanently,
but Alyce asked me to come back. If she were here, I'm sure she'd be
asking Natalie to come back. But she's not.

Karen

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 1:09:23 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding anniversary.

I can't believe it's been 4 years.

Karen

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On 6 Jun 2003 at 21:22, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> But Natale's not given to fits of pique. She usually stays and fights it
> out on list (and keeps going longer than others).

Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.

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> be fine a couple of days. Now that I can't eat carbohydrates
> without damaging myself,

Carolyn, are you diabetic? I am, type 2, diagnosed for 18 months now and
under tight control.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>   free loans for a year.  Ideally, we'd all have it figured so that
>   when tax time came we'd mail in five bucks or something small like
>   that.

I owed $20 to the feds and $30 to the state this year. I thought that was
pretty swell.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Yes, I got it, but I've been slow to open the Alyce things. It took me
> several weeks to be able to open Alyce's ET, and I cried the whole time.
> Your package is on my kitchen table.

Ah, okay. The Alyce rock is sealed up in a bag inside, I believe - so you
can open the package and listen to the CDs. :D

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 6 Jun 2003 at 21:22, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>
>>But Natale's not given to fits of pique. She usually stays and fights it
>>out on list (and keeps going longer than others).
>>
>
> Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
> in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
> or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
> only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.


        No.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> As far as I know it's only a Vizsla show -- the Connecticut
> Valley Vizsla Society or somesuch organization is sponsoring it.
> But I could be wrong.

Does that mean you'll be near me?

--Connecticut River Valley resident
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I believe that's what I said to our newcomer the other day.  Speaking
> of which, has this contretemps scared her off?

You mean Lynn? She said she was going out of town, and plus I switched her
addresses from work to home as she requested.

--Adam
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Friday, June 6, 2003, 6:50:52 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> Ah, okay. The Alyce rock is sealed up in a bag inside, I believe - so you
> can open the package and listen to the CDs. :D

THANK YOU! I love the Nields. Don't know the other person, but I trust
your taste. Very cool.

You're right--if I'd realized there were Adam CDs in it, I'd've opened it
right away. I'm sorry if I seemed ungrateful--au contraire, mon frere,
I am very.

Karen

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> THANK YOU! I love the Nields. Don't know the other person, but I trust
> your taste. Very cool.

You know The Nields already???

I can't remeeber the other thing I sent - Marly Hornik maybe?

> You're right--if I'd realized there were Adam CDs in it, I'd've opened it
> right away. I'm sorry if I seemed ungrateful--au contraire, mon frere,
> I am very.

Enjoy. :D

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 7:12:28 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> THANK YOU! I love the Nields. Don't know the other person, but I trust
>> your taste. Very cool.

> You know The Nields already???

You've been talking about them for years.

> I can't remeeber the other thing I sent - Marly Hornik maybe?

Yes--I know I've heard her name, maybe even her, but I can't remember.

You should come for the Kerrville Folk Festival, going on now. Some
time when I can afford to go.

In the meantime, I'm going to find my cat so we can take a nap and
then I can wake up and work at my 2nd job.

I can't remember if I mentioned this, but my contract was extended
from two weeks to 4.

Karen

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> > You know The Nields already???
>
> You've been talking about them for years.

Well, yes, but I didn't think anyone went and got their music.

> You should come for the Kerrville Folk Festival, going on now. Some
> time when I can afford to go.

I'd love to. Actually, a friend of mine, Adam Brodsky, is playing there this
year.

> I can't remember if I mentioned this, but my contract was extended
> from two weeks to 4.

A good contract or the one that's driving you insane?

Since I'm all done with email and stuff, I'm going to turn off the computer
and watch TV. It should be nice and relaxing.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> >This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear to a dog
> show?
>
> >Marie
>    newbie
>
> Just have another look at "Best In Show" ... and pick one outfit.
> AS

    Oh, ROAR!!!


JMW

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 7:24:48 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> I can't remember if I mentioned this, but my contract was extended
>> from two weeks to 4.

> A good contract or the one that's driving you insane?

Well, the only reason I'm going insane is because there are 2 of them
at the same time. This gives me No Free Time. Both of them are fun for
different reasons. The offsite one is driving me nuts because I have
to do it in my spare time.

> Since I'm all done with email and stuff, I'm going to turn off the computer
> and watch TV. It should be nice and relaxing.

I almost fell asleep, but my kitty woke me up, so I'm going to work
for a while.

I pulled my hamstring this morning, chasing Burl around. Sigh. I want
my 2nd contract to be over NOW. (It's by-the-piece, so it would be if
only I would write it.)

Karen

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From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
> > As far as I know it's only a Vizsla show -- the Connecticut
> > Valley Vizsla Society or somesuch organization is sponsoring it.
> > But I could be wrong.
>
> Does that mean you'll be near me?

Nope. It's in Purchase, NY -- near White Plains if you know where that is. South of me.

Marie

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> > >This might seem like a funny question, but what does one wear
> to a dog
> > show?
> >
> > >Marie
> >    newbie
> >
> > Just have another look at "Best In Show" ... and pick one outfit.
> > AS
>
>    Oh, ROAR!!!

BTW, we caught "A Mighty Wind" while in Santa Monica. Also very funny. Maybe not quite, "Spinal Tap" but very good.

Marie

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Friday, June 6, 2003, 1:09:23 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding anniversary.
>
> I can't believe it's been 4 years.

Me neither. But then again, think of how long you've been in Texas. Seems like yesterday. Tempus fugit, as Natalie <sob sob> would say...

Marie

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In a message dated 06/06/2003 6:23:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I like this description of depression.

>>

Thank you.  There is light outside the room, but you can't see
it due to the black paint.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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> >BTW, we caught "A Mighty Wind" while in Santa Monica. Also very funny.
> Maybe not quite, "Spinal Tap" but very good.
>
> >Marie
>
> I want to see it!


>    Yes!  I do as well!


>JMW

Well -- let's go, then!

AS

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>BTW, we caught "A Mighty Wind" while in Santa Monica. Also very funny.
Maybe not quite, "Spinal Tap" but very good.


>Marie

I want to see it!

AS

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 8:01:00 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> Friday, June 6, 2003, 1:09:23 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> > We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding anniversary.
>>
>> I can't believe it's been 4 years.

> Me neither. But then again, think of how long you've been in Texas. Seems like yesterday.

Maybe to you. I, however, have been in hell the past two years and I
remember every moment of it.

>  Tempus fugit, as Natalie <sob sob> would say...

:) I agree with whoever said that she's the heart of the list. I hope
she comes back.

Karen

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >BTW, we caught "A Mighty Wind" while in Santa Monica. Also very funny.
> Maybe not quite, "Spinal Tap" but very good.
>
> >Marie
>
> I want to see it!

    Yes!  I do as well!

JMW

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 8:01:05 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 06/06/2003 6:23:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
> karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> I like this description of depression.

>>>

> Thank you.  There is light outside the room, but you can't see
> it due to the black paint.

Yes.

Karen

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At 03:02 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>    And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
>    been gone for over a year before.
>
>dan

Did Natalie drive you away?

Betty

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----- Original Message -----
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> > Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:
> >
> >>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
> >> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
> >
> > Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?
>
> Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
> allow for the possibility that she's really gone.
>
That reality has crossed my mind. Many have left and come back to us. Who
knows?


alec

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 8:18:01 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:44 PM
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>> > Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:
>> >
>> >>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
>> >> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
>> >
>> > Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?
>>
>> Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
>> allow for the possibility that she's really gone.
>>
> That reality has crossed my mind. Many have left and come back to us. Who
> knows?

Not me. But I'm only here because of Alyce.

Karen

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At 09:18 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Karen Kay" <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:44 PM
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>
>
> > > Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:
> > >
> > >>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed and
> > >> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
> > >
> > > Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?
> >
> > Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
> > allow for the possibility that she's really gone.
> >
>That reality has crossed my mind. Many have left and come back to us. Who
>knows?

Do you think Natalie chased them all away?

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> Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:48:20 AM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> [about Natalie]
> > If over this discussion, she really leaves Words-l, I would be very
> > surprised. We have had discussions which were as horrible and painful.
As a
> > family, we are cruel and nasty. We usually apologize for being nasty, or
> > leave.
>
> But you're not apologizing.
>
> When I left the list before, I had intended to stay away permanently,
> but Alyce asked me to come back. If she were here, I'm sure she'd be
> asking Natalie to come back. But she's not.
>
> Karen
>
If I honestly felt I was wrong I would be apologizing.


alec

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----- Original Message -----
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> At 09:18 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Karen Kay" <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: Could be serious
> >
> >
> > > > Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:
> > > >
> > > >>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed
and
> > > >> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
> > > >
> > > > Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?
> > >
> > > Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
> > > allow for the possibility that she's really gone.
> > >
> >That reality has crossed my mind. Many have left and come back to us. Who
> >knows?
>
> Do you think Natalie chased them all away?
>

Of course not, many I might have chased away.

alec

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Could be serious
>
>
> > At 09:18 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Karen Kay" <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > >To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:44 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Could be serious
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>:
> > > > >
> > > > >>I see this set of behaviors as letting us know she's really pissed
> and
> > > > >> won't be back for a while, that it is a bigger funk.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan in knowitall mode - excellent. What's a funk?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing
to
> > > > allow for the possibility that she's really gone.
> > > >
> > >That reality has crossed my mind. Many have left and come back to us.
Who
> > >knows?
> >
> > Do you think Natalie chased them all away?
> >
>
> Of course not, many I might have chased away.
>
> alec
>

My question is: what happens when Bethany comes back from her trip?

alec

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At 09:33 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > Do you think Natalie chased them all away?
> >
>
>Of course not, many I might have chased away.
>
>alec

Because you leered  at their breasts?

How is the moving going?

Betty

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> At 09:33 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > > Do you think Natalie chased them all away?
> > >
> >
> >Of course not, many I might have chased away.
> >
> >alec
>
> Because you leered  at their breasts?
>
> How is the moving going?
>
> Betty
>
Breasts, nothing better.

Moving sucks. We have much too much stuff. Packing is no fun.


alec

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I think it is important that you know I have touched Jason Kidd's knee. He
was very obedient and did exactly as I instructed.  That's as it should be.
(Or I would have slapped him.)

BB

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On Friday, June 06, 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> Moving sucks. We have much too much stuff. Packing is no fun.

Natalie LOVES moving.

Karen

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>My question is: what happens when Bethany comes back from her trip?


>alec

She may give you a sound thrashing. :)

AS

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Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.

Betty

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:19:56 PM, Betty wrote:
> Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.

I had peanuts.

Karen

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At 10:22 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:19:56 PM, Betty wrote:
> > Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>
>I had peanuts.

I am sitting here shelling peanuts and wishing I had M&Ms.  I can't believe
you are eating peanuts.

Betty

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:34:01 -0400
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> Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>
> Betty

I do, chicken cacciatore.  Need to cook more pasta, though.

Terry

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I hate that Sammy is mentioned in the same sentence as Martha.

B

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:35:38 -0400
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> I had peanuts.
>
> Karen


First M&Ms now this. Are you trolling for food?  I'm feeling the need to
send you some, but it would spoil.  What's in your garden?

Terry

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At 11:34 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>>
>>Betty
>
>I do, chicken cacciatore.  Need to cook more pasta, though.

I'm glad you didn't cook too much and just have to toss it. Do you have
garbage service or do you use the university's bin?

Betty

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> I'm glad you didn't cook too much and just have to toss it. Do you have
> garbage service or do you use the university's bin?
>
> Betty

Actually, the pasta used tonight was left over ;-) and more than a day!
However slime was not involved.  I usually save extra pasta but will
sometimes throw out the last bit which might be in some water and thus
slimy.

We do not have garbage service other than using our truck to move the bags
to the transfer station.

However, usually food, such as thrown out pasta gets composted and reused
in the garden to grow more food.  Meat stuffs go to Sheba.

Some people use the university's bins, but I understand it is illegal to
throw personal garbage into the bin.  I'm sure there is some sort of bulk
clause to this.  I have no urge to research this.

I don't have leftover issues.  I keep the frig very cold and after a number
days but before George Carlin would take notice, I'll toss it.

Terry

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Fantastic!

--On Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:53 PM -0500 Doris Markland
<dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

> Just had word . .
>
> His plane is touching down as we speak,
>
> in Florida.
>
>                               - D. M.

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6/6/2003, 7:10 PM, Betty wrote:

B> At 03:02 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>>    And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
>>    been gone for over a year before.
>>
>>dan

B> Did Natalie drive you away?

      No one has ever driven me away.  After all, I've been here since
      1990.  Every so often I get too busy with work or home, try to
      have a real life, or just get tired of things.  So I take a
      hiatus and then come back.  I've been here as long as four years
      straight, and gone for over a year at a time, but I keep coming
      back.


dan

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6/6/2003, 7:18 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>> Yes, I do find it interesting that neither Alec nor Dan is willing to
>> allow for the possibility that she's really gone.
>>
ADP> That reality has crossed my mind. Many have left and come back to us. Who
ADP> knows?

In addition, who knows who is out there reading archives, or reading
mail as XYZ1234tre@hotmail.com or whatever.  Of course it might just
be the secret police.

dan

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>When I left the list before, I had intended to stay away permanently,
>but Alyce asked me to come back. If she were here, I'm sure she'd be
>asking Natalie to come back. But she's not.
>
>Karen


I would never have the temerity to speak for my mother, but on my own
behalf, I hope Natalie comes back. I miss her posts.

Jeff

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On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> I can't remember if I mentioned this, but my contract was extended
> from two weeks to 4.
>
> Karen
>

YaY! and here's hoping it heralds the beginning of more and better offers
- longer, better paying, more enjoyable, and more secure.
clo

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On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

> >My question is: what happens when Bethany comes back from her trip?
>
>
> >alec
>
> She may give you a sound thrashing. :)
>
> AS
>

Wouldn't that be Betty?
clo

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Had a restless night. This qoute seems to describe how I feel. It might be
over-stating my feelings, but I love the thought.


>If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky that
would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I >am become Death, the
Shatterer of Worlds.

>J. Robert Oppenheimer (1904 - 1967), Quoting "The Bhagavad
Gita",Alamogordo, New Mexico, 1945

alec

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At 09:57 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >My question is: what happens when Bethany comes back from her trip?
>
>
> >alec
>
>She may give you a sound thrashing. :)

Even worse, she may pray for you...

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At 08:19 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.

Nope.  We had a nice dinner at Mache, followed by a stroll with our friends
through the business district.  The tables are reserved for the 3rd.

A couple who we became acquainted with when they were waiters---James at
Havana, then in the winter at Mache, and Elizabeth, at Mache---bought a
restaurant in Southwest Harbor and spent a hectic spring completely
remodeling it.  On our way back from Islandscape (basil, catnip, impatiens,
daisy) we stopped in to see the progress.  Well, they opened last
Tuesday.  Having seen the place at two early stages of remodeling, I can't
believe how much they accomplished in a relatively short time.  Elizabeth
stocked Oban because she remembered that Bonnie liked it.  We are going
there tonight---with the Boston couple.

cwv

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At 08:19 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.

Well, I guess I did: leftover homemade pizza from the night before -- the
first I'd made in ages.

I'm scheming what to cook today.

AS

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Friday, June 6, 2003, 8:01:00 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>
>>>Friday, June 6, 2003, 1:09:23 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>>
>>>>We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding anniversary.
>>>>
>>>I can't believe it's been 4 years.
>>>
>
>>Me neither. But then again, think of how long you've been in Texas. Seems like yesterday.
>>
>
> Maybe to you. I, however, have been in hell the past two years and I
> remember every moment of it.
>
>
>> Tempus fugit, as Natalie <sob sob> would say...
>>
>
> :) I agree with whoever said that she's the heart of the list. I hope
> she comes back.


        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
naughty behavior :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 06/07/2003 12:26:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
jrankin@MAPLECITY.COM writes:

<<
I would never have the temerity to speak for my mother, but on my own
behalf, I hope Natalie comes back. I miss her posts.

>>

Write to her and ask her to come back.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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In a message dated 06/07/2003 7:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
>J. Robert Oppenheimer (1904 - 1967), Quoting "The Bhagavad
Gita",Alamogordo, New Mexico, 1945

>>

I've always thought that he got a raw deal from the government.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
  There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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>Nope.  We had a nice dinner at Mache, followed by a stroll with our friends
>through the business district.  The tables are reserved for the 3rd.
>cwv

Maureen, owner and waitress at Mache, said she'd give us two tables to
ourselves and that we could be noisy if we felt the need.  It's a small
place.  There's three tables and the bar to the left of the door and about
six or seven tables to the right of the door.

Maureen was happy to get the reservation straightened out for the 3rd
because some months ago she had googled on Mache Bistro and come up with
mem's page on Acadiafest.  She couldn't understand who these people were
who thought they might eat at her place on July 3rd when no one had told
her anything about it.  Now she knows it's us and all is cleared up.


bonnie

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Betty wrote:

> Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>


        One would have to cook to have leftovers.  We had Steak 'n
Shake last night.  Thurs. Ana and I had Taco Bell.  Since me
dear husband is not of the same calibre as several of the
male wordslers when it comes to cooking, we often do not
have leftovers these days.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:36:40 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 10:22 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:19:56 PM, Betty wrote:
>> > Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>>
>>I had peanuts.

> I am sitting here shelling peanuts and wishing I had M&Ms.  I can't believe
> you are eating peanuts.

I was done by the time I posted about it. M&M's for dessert.

Karen

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Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:35:38 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> First M&Ms now this. Are you trolling for food?

LOL. No, it sounds like I am, though, doesn't it? I've been eating in
the company cafeteria during the day, and that food isn't bad.

> I'm feeling the need to
> send you some, but it would spoil.  What's in your garden?

I have no idea. Everything that's alive is overgrown. I'm waiting till
August, to take advantage of the long fall growing season.

Karen

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
> in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
> or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
> only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.

I do not know about her denying, but what I am noticed more often lately is
that she didn't want to be considered mutant all the time, and not to be
thought of as deliberately insulting people. Due to my earlier stayings nomail
for long I wasn't sure whether it was her growing fragility or just that when
reading post permanently I could understand her better and get to know more
about  her.

Maybe somebody has written privately to her already. Maybe it is not right of
me to waver. But I do not know the right words yet. I do not want to console
her. I'd like to find words that'd put her at ease, or something.

Kr.

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At 10:08 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/6/2003, 7:10 PM, Betty wrote:
>
>B> At 03:02 PM 6/6/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
> >>    And how long does one have to be gone  to be "really gone"?  I've
> >>    been gone for over a year before.
> >>
> >>dan
>
>B> Did Natalie drive you away?
>
>       No one has ever driven me away.  After all, I've been here since
>       1990.  Every so often I get too busy with work or home, try to
>       have a real life, or just get tired of things.  So I take a
>       hiatus and then come back.  I've been here as long as four years
>       straight, and gone for over a year at a time, but I keep coming
>       back.

They say that is what real wordslers do. It's fun when they come back.

Betty

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Adam, or somebody, could you send me Lisa's email address.  In note that
she hasn't ordered any shirts yet and perhaps she was too busy at work to
notice the emails.  Also Elaine's address, please.

Here's what I have:
Marie
Natalie
Rita
Ana
Clyde
Bookrat (3)
Wild Family (5)
Betty
Larry
Alec
Clo (2)
Steph (2)
Paul
Kristin
Rashmi
Evelyn
                        for a grand total of 25


bonnie

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At 07:37 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>At 08:19 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
> >Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>
>Well, I guess I did: leftover homemade pizza from the night before -- the
>first I'd made in ages.
>
>I'm scheming what to cook today.

That's right.  You have all those cook books now. Are you trying new things
often?

Betty

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At 07:42 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
>we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
>naughty behavior :).

Let's make Tushar do it.

Betty

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My uncle (the musician) is preparing to leave for a cruise June 9-24.
Itinerary: Venice, Istanbul, Athens, Naples, Livorno, Monaco and Barcelona.
This is a trip I wouldn't mind taking! The only place I've been before on
this list is Barcelona. I await the account.

(Dan, isn't this similar to part of the trip you have planned?)

AS

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > His plane is touching down as we speak,
> >
> > in Florida.
>
> How great!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, reading post for a while again, I see that I sent my exclamation 27
hours later than, Doris, you sent your news.

So clear should've been the heading yet I remember when more or less
randomly opening new post in my more or less full mailbox I misread the
heading as if "home" were the subject and as if the whole heading was
some twisted paraphrase of "(my) home is my castle" and I couldn't guess
the good news behind it.

At least by now I have read other messages of that thread, too. And wait
for further reports, both on Gene and (oops! I am not sure of his name
at the moment and dare not take down the one I think is right) your son,
like how his re-acquainting with his kids is going.

Kristin

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 8:26:47 AM, Bonniemaev wrote:
> Adam, or somebody, could you send me Lisa's email address.  In note that
> she hasn't ordered any shirts yet and perhaps she was too busy at work to
> notice the emails.

She ordered 2, one for her and one for Tina. I don't remember the
sizes.

Karen

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>        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
>we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
>naughty behavior :).           --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

When I unsubbed in a snit a year or two after joining words-l, Brad called
me up on the phone and told me to resubscribe right that minute because the
longer you stay unsubbed after a snit, the harder it is to come back.  So I
did.


bonnie

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 8:32:20 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> So clear should've been the heading yet I remember when more or less
> randomly opening new post in my more or less full mailbox I misread the
> heading as if "home" were the subject and as if the whole heading was
> some twisted paraphrase of "(my) home is my castle" and I couldn't guess
> the good news behind it.

It's a paraphrase of a poem:  "Home is the sailor, home from the sea."
Don't know the name or who wrote it.

Karen

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>That's right.  You have all those cook books now. Are you trying new things
often?

>Betty

Not nearly as often as I would like! Not enough time. I recently had a house
guest who insisted on preparing some wonderful dishes during the stay. I
also did my part with a seafood/rice noodle dish which included champagne in
the sauce (we drank the rest!).

I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
being hilarious.

AS

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At 08:47 AM 6/7/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>Nope.  We had a nice dinner at Mache, followed by a stroll with our friends
>>through the business district.  The tables are reserved for the 3rd.
>>cwv
>
>Maureen, owner and waitress at Mache, said she'd give us two tables to
>ourselves and that we could be noisy if we felt the need.  It's a small
>place.  There's three tables and the bar to the left of the door and about
>six or seven tables to the right of the door.


And no glass partitions to worry about!  I'm excited you got reservations.
Because of short term and long term memory loss I can't remember what I ate
but I remember everything being really good. I do remember Clyde running
home to get his pills.

Betty


>Maureen was happy to get the reservation straightened out for the 3rd
>because some months ago she had googled on Mache Bistro and come up with
>mem's page on Acadiafest.  She couldn't understand who these people were
>who thought they might eat at her place on July 3rd when no one had told
>her anything about it.  Now she knows it's us and all is cleared up.
>
>
>bonnie

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 8:35:48 AM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
> Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
> being hilarious.

Yes! One of my faves.

Karen

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>She ordered 2, one for her and one for Tina. I don't remember the
>sizes.         --Karen

Crap.  I'm going to have to get to those archives.  There were a few hours
we were without email the other morning.


bonnie

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I thought I did see Lisa's order but I've had to read mail really quickly
at times this week.

Betty

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At 08:30 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>My uncle (the musician) is preparing to leave for a cruise June 9-24.
>Itinerary: Venice, Istanbul, Athens, Naples, Livorno, Monaco and Barcelona.
>This is a trip I wouldn't mind taking! The only place I've been before on
>this list is Barcelona. I await the account.
>
>(Dan, isn't this similar to part of the trip you have planned?)
>
>AS

Oh, I'd love that, too. I told the kids that I would love to do a cruise
together as a family vacation. It sounds ideal to have your own room, no
cooking, variety of things to do or not.

Is this a working trip for your uncle?

Betty

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At 09:35 AM 6/7/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
>>we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
>>naughty behavior :).           --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>When I unsubbed in a snit a year or two after joining words-l, Brad called
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I just mass delete people when I get in a snit and then go back later and read.

B

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>I thought I did see Lisa's order but I've had to read mail really quickly
>at times this week.      --Betty

I found it on the archives.


bonnie

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The few sprigs my mother planted in front of the rose bush by my front door
are now a thick patch with growth about two feet tall. What might I concoct
with such a plant?

Yes, IMFTATL.

AS

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> surprised. We have had discussions which were as horrible and painful. As a
> family, we are cruel and nasty. We usually apologize for being nasty, or
> leave.

I wouldn't exaggerate the family thing. I wouldn't live in a family where
nastiness is a norm, together with apologies or not.

Kristin

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Updated list:

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Wild Family (5)
Betty
Larry
Alec
Clo (2)
Steph (2)
Paul
Kristin
Rashmi
Evelyn
Lisa (2)
                        for a grand total of 27


bonnie

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>Oh, I'd love that, too. I told the kids that I would love to do a cruise
together as a family vacation. It sounds ideal to have your own room, no
cooking, variety of things to do or not.

Yes, me too -- I've been on some of the ships, but in port.

>Is this a working trip for your uncle?

>Betty

No -- he's just going on this one for the fun of it.

AS

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I came across this in doing research for my 2nd job, and I'm still
angry, so I thought I'd write about this here.

In 1997, Congress provided funds to insure uninsured children--11
million of them. CA and TX have 29% of these children. For purposes of
discussion, say 2 million each. CA made parents fill out a *28-page
form*! (And not all of these 2 million parents are well-educated--or
probably even literate.)

After 3 years, TX had 100,000 children enrolled, and GW was proud of
this record.

What a fiasco.

See http://www.refuseandresist.org/resist_this/110500children.html.
(Despite the lurid domain name, it's a MY Times article.)

Karen

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>
> It's a paraphrase of a poem:  "Home is the sailor, home from the sea."
> Don't know the name or who wrote it.
>
> Karen

    Its Robert Louis Stevenson's epitaph:

"Under the wide and starry sky
 dig my grave and let me lie.
 Glad did I live, and gladly die,
 and I lay me down with a will.
 And this be the verse you grave for me -
 Here he lies where he longed to be.
 Home is the sailor, home from the sea,
 and the hunter home from the hill."

JMW

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John Williams wrote:

> >
> > It's a paraphrase of a poem:  "Home is the sailor, home from the sea."
> > Don't know the name or who wrote it.
> >
> > Karen
>
>     Its Robert Louis Stevenson's epitaph:
>
> "Under the wide and starry sky
>  dig my grave and let me lie.
>  Glad did I live, and gladly die,
>  and I lay me down with a will.
>  And this be the verse you grave for me -
>  Here he lies where he longed to be.
>  Home is the sailor, home from the sea,
>  and the hunter home from the hill."

Nice.

Only after reading it I do not want to think that Doris's subject-line
should sound exactly like a paraphrase. Inversion may be there without a
direct exemplary source, may it not?

Kristin

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 9:21:34 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Only after reading it I do not want to think that Doris's subject-line
> should sound exactly like a paraphrase. Inversion may be there without a
> direct exemplary source, may it not?

Sure. Only Doris knows if she meant it as a paraphrase--But I'm
betting she did.

Karen

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> Updated list:
>
> Marie
> Natalie
> Rita
> Ana
> Clyde
> Bookrat (3)
> Wild Family (5)
> Betty
> Larry
> Alec
> Clo (2)
> Steph (2)
> Paul
> Kristin
> Rashmi
> Evelyn
> Lisa (2)
>                         for a grand total of 27
>
>
> bonnie


Hey! You left me off - I backchanneled you a few days ago.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 9:54:19 AM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> Updated list:
>>
>> Marie
>> Natalie

If she hasn't paid you for a shirt, I'd check with her to make sure
she still wants it. Unless you don't mind having extras.

>> Rita
>> Ana
>> Clyde
>> Bookrat (3)
>> Wild Family (5)
>> Betty
>> Larry
>> Alec
>> Clo (2)
>> Steph (2)
>> Paul
>> Kristin
>> Rashmi
>> Evelyn
>> Lisa (2)
>>                         for a grand total of 27
>>
>>
>> bonnie


> Hey! You left me off - I backchanneled you a few days ago.

> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com



Karen

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 9:10:34 AM, John Williams wrote:

>>
>> It's a paraphrase of a poem:  "Home is the sailor, home from the sea."
>> Don't know the name or who wrote it.
>>
>> Karen

>     Its Robert Louis Stevenson's epitaph:

> "Under the wide and starry sky
>  dig my grave and let me lie.
>  Glad did I live, and gladly die,
>  and I lay me down with a will.
>  And this be the verse you grave for me -
>  Here he lies where he longed to be.
>  Home is the sailor, home from the sea,
>  and the hunter home from the hill."

Thank you. Was this from memory, or did you Google? It is very nice.

Karen

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'Covers myriad subjects...

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_poll/topics_subtopics.cfm

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:21:28 AM, Alan Wild wrote:

> 'Covers myriad subjects...

> http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_poll/topics_subtopics.cfm

Kaiser killed my grandfather.

Karen

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> Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:21:28 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
>
> > 'Covers myriad subjects...
>
> > http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_poll/topics_subtopics.cfm
>
> Kaiser killed my grandfather.
>
> Karen

ok, I'll bite... How did Kaiser kill your dad?

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:33:31 AM, Alan Wild wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:21:28 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
>>
>> > 'Covers myriad subjects...
>>
>> > http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_poll/topics_subtopics.cfm
>>
>> Kaiser killed my grandfather.
>>
>> Karen

> ok, I'll bite... How did Kaiser kill your dad?

Grandfather.

It's an HMO. Even though he kept going back and complaining, they
didn't diagnose his stomach cancer till it was too late to do anything
about it.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
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> > ok, I'll bite... How did Kaiser kill your dad?
>
> Grandfather.
>
> It's an HMO. Even though he kept going back and complaining, they
> didn't diagnose his stomach cancer till it was too late to do anything
> about it.
>
> Karen

oh... I see, and I feel badly about it.  When did this occur?  Recently?

I think the medical industry has learned to look more closely at possible
cancers.  I believe that many missed or misdiagnosed cases over the years
has cost them and their insurance backing lots.

'Al

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:49:21 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
> oh... I see, and I feel badly about it.  When did this occur?  Recently?

No. About 40 years ago--and nothing I've read about Kaiser in the last
15 years gives me any more confidence in them.

> I think the medical industry has learned to look more closely at possible
> cancers.  I believe that many missed or misdiagnosed cases over the years
> has cost them and their insurance backing lots.

Kaiser is so big, I don't think they have to worry.

Karen

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I taped this Sunday, and there was just a segment on leftovers:  they
order tons of Chinese food, and Lorelei's father accuses her of
teaching her daughter gluttony. Lorelei gives him a look and says that
they eat 1/3 of it and live off the leftovers for a week and a half.

Karen

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>Hey! You left me off - I backchanneled you a few days ago.
>--Adam

Sorry!  You are on my hard copy but I copied I left you off when I
typed.  In fact, you are on the count of 27


bonnie

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> Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:49:21 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
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>
> No. About 40 years ago--and nothing I've read about Kaiser in the last
> 15 years gives me any more confidence in them.
>
> > I think the medical industry has learned to look more closely at
possible
> > cancers.  I believe that many missed or misdiagnosed cases over the
years
> > has cost them and their insurance backing lots.
>
> Kaiser is so big, I don't think they have to worry.
>
> Karen

Right... and the year make sense... these days they are much more careful
with their diagnosis...

I have a colleague who had a gut full of cancer, diagnosed late, and she
still beat it!  iirc, they extracted something like 20 pounds of tissue...
jeez...

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At 10:51 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:49:21 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
> > oh... I see, and I feel badly about it.  When did this occur?  Recently?
>
>No. About 40 years ago--and nothing I've read about Kaiser in the last
>15 years gives me any more confidence in them.
Some our better physicians are leaving private practice and going to work
for Kaiser. Kaiser has experience managing HMOs.  I've heard many good
things about Kaiser lately from coworkers who have switched to Kaiser, too.
Some Kaiser's are higher rated than others.

Doctors kill people all the time.

Betty

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> >> Natalie
>
>If she hasn't paid you for a shirt, I'd check with her to make sure
>she still wants it. Unless you don't mind having extras.

I thought of this.  I think I'll send it to her anyway.  She has a map of
how to get to our house.  Who knows, she may show up to say hi.


bonnie

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 11:01:20 AM, Alan Wild wrote:
> Right... and the year make sense... these days they are much more careful
> with their diagnosis...

I think that treatments are much better, and diagnosis is slightly
better. My aunt's terminal lung cancer was discovered by a chest xray
on a cruise ship, taken because she had a cough.

> I have a colleague who had a gut full of cancer, diagnosed late, and she
> still beat it!  iirc, they extracted something like 20 pounds of tissue...
> jeez...

Hey! Maybe that's my problem!

Karen

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At 02:54 PM 6/7/2003 +0000, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>Hey! You left me off - I backchanneled you a few days ago.

An oversight---sorry.  Your request is on file.

cwv

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I thought I was going to read the thread much later, being afraid of its
being nasty. Yet I've read much of it by now. I want to answer different
messages all the time when reading, but there seems to be much less
sense to it now that Natalie is away :-(

I sent her a message, but of course I was not going to discuss leftovers
and all that followed from them.

Seems that Words-l has become bigger a part of my life than I could
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such an atmosphere.

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I have a colleague who had a gut full of cancer, diagnosed late, and she
> > still beat it!  iirc, they extracted something like 20 pounds of tissue...
> > jeez...
>
> Hey! Maybe that's my problem!

Karen! (said with as reproachful a tone as possible)

Kristin

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At 07:10 PM 6/7/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>I thought I was going to read the thread much later, being afraid of its
>being nasty. Yet I've read much of it by now. I want to answer different
>messages all the time when reading, but there seems to be much less
>sense to it now that Natalie is away :-(

The topic of the thread had nothing to do with Natalie leaving.  She left
because she was told that she was responsible for driving people away from
the list.  As if.


Betty

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 11:14:23 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I have a colleague who had a gut full of cancer, diagnosed late, and she
>> > still beat it!  iirc, they extracted something like 20 pounds of tissue...
>> > jeez...
>>
>> Hey! Maybe that's my problem!

> Karen! (said with as reproachful a tone as possible)

Just joking, really. But I have no health care, and probably won't for
the next few years, if ever again. So even if I speculate, there's
nothing I can do about it.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> At 07:10 PM 6/7/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >I thought I was going to read the thread much later, being afraid of its
> >being nasty. Yet I've read much of it by now. I want to answer different
> >messages all the time when reading, but there seems to be much less
> >sense to it now that Natalie is away :-(
>
> The topic of the thread had nothing to do with Natalie leaving.  She left
> because she was told that she was responsible for driving people away from
> the list.  As if.

Yes. I wrote my message quoted being aware of what you said.

Kristin

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> Saturday, June 7, 2003, 9:21:34 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Only after reading it I do not want to think that Doris's
subject-line
> > should sound exactly like a paraphrase. Inversion may be there
without a
> > direct exemplary source, may it not?
>
> Sure. Only Doris knows if she meant it as a paraphrase--But I'm
> betting she did.
>
> Karen

I think I did, but without much thought.  It just
popped into my mind that way.  I knew it was
"Home is the something" and couldn't think what.

                   - D. M.

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I hope this story makes as many headlines
as the original story about their loss did.


http://tinyurl.co.uk/6Fyl 


               - D. M.

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>I hope this story makes as many headlines
as the original story about their loss did.




>http://tinyurl.co.uk/6Fyl




>               - D. M.

Don't hold your breath!

AS

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At 11:52 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>I hope this story makes as many headlines
>as the original story about their loss did.
>
>
>http://tinyurl.co.uk/6Fyl

I was very relieved when I read about that a while ago because initially I
thought how horrible it was.
Another reason that I don't know what I read is true or not so I ignore
most of it. What do you think about the coverage of saving that young woman
after she was captured?

Betty

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Hello, all ... the conf is keeping me off the streets most of the time,
though I just walked up to this Grant St. Kinko's to avoid the hotel's $15
per 10 minutes web access charge. The hotel is great except for that.

Bethany

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>
>
> Thank you. Was this from memory, or did you Google? It is very nice.
>
> Karen

    Memory, thus it may not be exact.  The benefits of a <liberal> education.

JMW.

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> most of it. What do you think about the coverage of saving that young
woman
> after she was captured?
>
> Betty

I don't know.  I wonder whose story we should
believe.  I think we need to hear from the girl
herself and also the men who went to get her.

               - D. M.

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At 12:42 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > most of it. What do you think about the coverage of saving that young
>woman
> > after she was captured?
> >
> > Betty
>
>I don't know.  I wonder whose story we should
>believe.  I think we need to hear from the girl
>herself and also the men who went to get her.

The last article I read said she can't remember a thing and her father said
they aren't supposed to talk about it.  Let's wait for the movie.

Betty

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At 12:31 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 07:42 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
>>>we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
>>>naughty behavior :).
>>
>>
>>Let's make Tushar do it.
>
>
>        Tushar.  You have a duty.

He will enjoy it too much.

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Betty wrote:

> Another reason that I don't know what I read is true or not so I ignore
> most of it.

    A wise course, especialy since the New York Times and the Guardian have
been busted big time for inventing stories, not to mention 'spinning' other
accounts.  They have been caught LYING, big time, world class, repeatedly, and
have thus loss any credibility and/or respect that they might have enjoyed.
This is, of course, a non-story...

> What do you think about the coverage of saving that young woman
> after she was captured?

    Its been throughly Fisked repeatedly.  The lie about firing blanks was so
obvious to anyone with the slightest knowledge of weaponry that it didn't even
bear mentioning.  The truly sad thing is that there are those who will believe
such falsehoods soley because of the source.

JMW

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Betty wrote:

> At 07:42 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
>> we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
>> naughty behavior :).
>
>
> Let's make Tushar do it.


        Tushar.  You have a duty.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Betty wrote:

> Do you think Natalie chased them all away?

I don't think one person has that much impact.  People come and go for
all kinds of reasons.

 The delete key is quite useful and most Wordslers know how to use it.
At least I do


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who enjoyed annoying Natalie and was often annoyed in return.

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>
> The last article I read said she can't remember a thing and her father
said
> they aren't supposed to talk about it.  Let's wait for the movie.
>
> Betty

I would guess they aren't supposed to talk about it
because they are making a deal for big bucks.
Can't blame them.  But then there is no way of
knowing if the producers of the story will stick
with what she tells them.  They often embellish
the story however they want to.

                                  - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
>
> Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>
> Betty

You are soooo BAD.   I won't have any until after I cook again.  I ate
mine all up.

--
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I don't know what has given me a craving for noodle kugel, but
it's been there for a while, so I finally gave in.  When I first
moved here, we made a lasagna with real Italian cheese and it set
us back thirty guilders.  It was at a time when we couldn't
afford to spend that kind of money on a meal, and it gets fondly
referred to to this day as the "thirty guilder lasagna".  It's
twelve years later, and this is going to be remembered as the
"thirty guilder kugel" because that's about what this one cost
too.

The egg noodles of my youth are not to be found here.  They went
in the kugel, under the stroganoff and next to the pork chop.
This got made with ubercheap tagliatelle, and it looked eggy
enough after three eggs, one of which had a double yolk, but
otherwise I held pretty much to the recipe.

Those who don't do carbs or lactose may not want to look:
http://www.jewish-food.org/recipes/kugelgra.htm

I'll let you know how it turns out.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
> in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
> or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
> only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.

You aren't the only one. The recent changes in Natalie's life would give
her a very high stress level score.  And yes, she'd deny the
fragility....  I think she's in denial about a number of things.

--
Sylvia Edwards

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> > Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
> > in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
> > or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
> > only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.
>
> You aren't the only one. The recent changes in Natalie's life would give
> her a very high stress level score.  And yes, she'd deny the
> fragility....

Would she?

By now I have no unread messages in the mailbox. She said only in Words-l
she has felt paranoid -- and this is close to admitting fragility.

Aamf, this time, in the so-called "Maynor Mutant Hell" (all the recent
threads that Alec might gather under it as a phenomenon) I saw a real reason
for the paranoia. For this time I didn't saw no subtle topic change that
should be devious or deceptive. And when others felt it -- nothing doing,
only: Natalie *explained* after being blamed, how all the things were one
and the same topic for her. And she did it with most normal logic this time.
Is it me who has changed? For I see it that way?

Imho, this time all the so-called hell came into being because of others'
anticipating it. And when it all grew even more hectic there were issues of
putting words into Natalies mouth she has never said (the baklava-thing, for
example).

Well, it is easy for me to say so, for I wasn't present, to be more exact, I
read few messages, when it all took place.

And it'd be better if she came back soon, which I do not believe very much,
or would be lurking at least. It seems equally weird to try to clear the
matter "behind her back" the way I am doing it at the moment and to send her
the very message. I won't do the latter. Whereas it wouldn't have been weird
if I had sent it in the middle of the discussion. Alas.

Kristin

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0606/p13s02-almo.html

"Have Screen, Will Travel"

Karen

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 2:25:47 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>>
>> > Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
>> > in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
>> > or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
>> > only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.
>>
>> You aren't the only one. The recent changes in Natalie's life would give
>> her a very high stress level score.  And yes, she'd deny the
>> fragility....

> Would she?

Yes.

> And when it all grew even more hectic there were issues of
> putting words into Natalies mouth she has never said (the baklava-thing, for
> example).

If you check the archives, you'll see that Sandra said she loved Greek
food, Natalie agreed that she loved Greek food, Rita offered to make
Greek food for us, and at that point, Natalie said "If somebody just
left some baklava with me, I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or
flush it down the toilet." This was a direct response to Rita's offer
to make Greek food for everyone.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> If you check the archives, you'll see that Sandra said she loved Greek
> food, Natalie agreed that she loved Greek food, Rita offered to make
> Greek food for us, and at that point, Natalie said "If somebody just
> left some baklava with me, I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or
> flush it down the toilet." This was a direct response to Rita's offer
> to make Greek food for everyone.

Then I remember wrong. Or saw other connections.

One more thing before I leave tonight: I hope my recent message didn't look like
"taking sides". It has happened rarely in this service that somebody would ask, on
which side [you] are. And I wouldn't like the idea of my messages becoming one of
the fortunately very rare occasions of it.

Good night!

Kristin

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 2:49:55 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> If you check the archives, you'll see that Sandra said she loved Greek
>> food, Natalie agreed that she loved Greek food, Rita offered to make
>> Greek food for us, and at that point, Natalie said "If somebody just
>> left some baklava with me, I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or
>> flush it down the toilet." This was a direct response to Rita's offer
>> to make Greek food for everyone.

> Then I remember wrong. Or saw other connections.

Perhaps. The archives are there, free to all.

> One more thing before I leave tonight: I hope my recent message didn't look like
> "taking sides".

No.

>  It has happened rarely in this service that somebody would ask, on
> which side [you] are. And I wouldn't like the idea of my messages becoming one of
> the fortunately very rare occasions of it.

I freely admit that Natalie probably didn't mean this the way it
sounded. She clearly didn't remember that her response was a direct
response to Rita's offer.

Karen

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"A hero dies once, a coward dies a thousand times."

Or a thousand deaths. Or something like that.

Karen

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On 7 Jun 2003 at 9:50, Bonniemaev wrote:

> Updated list:

I think you've missed Espen. And maye Bonnie.

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> > Updated list:
>
>I think you've missed Espen. And maye Bonnie.

I have missed Espen.  Did he want one?  Bonnie doesn't want one.  She
doesn't wear t-shirts.


bonnie

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On 7 Jun 2003 at 16:55, Bonniemaev wrote:

> I have missed Espen.  Did he want one?

>From the archives:

Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:53:23 +0200 . . .
From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
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I kept the subject line. It seems I have 1300 unred messages on this list. Hey: I wish
to order a T-shirt. Maybe I get to that tomorrow. Espen


> Bonnie doesn't want one.  She doesn't wear t-shirts.

Bonnie is un-American.

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Betty:
> Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.

Last night was fondue (when
was the last time any of you
did *that*?), but lunch today
was chicken thighs & dressing
from...  some day last week.

Yum.

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Homer couldn't *B* here:
> I hate that Sammy is mentioned in the same sentence as Martha.

Well, Sammy didn't break any laws,
(and maybe La Stewart didn't either)
but both of them should have known
better.

Caesar's wife, and all that.

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> Even worse, she may pray for you...

Y'know, even Bethany doesn't take
*every* opportunity to inject her
tiresome viewpoint into a thread.

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Karen:
> Kaiser killed my grandfather.

The Kaiser's minions tried to kill mine.

--
P.S. to Karen: I have read the rest
of this thread and I am sorry for
your bad experience, but once I get
a bon mot between my teeth I can't
stop.

That, and my grandfather(s) survived
the Great War, so here I am!

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Karen the uninsured:
> Just joking, really. But I have no health care

So move to Louisiana.  You won't
have a choice of where to go, but
it's there for you.

Since 1926, as a maddafak.

--
"Don't tax you, don't tax me
 Tax the man behind that tree."
             -- Huey's boy

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mem:
>> Bonnie doesn't want one.  She doesn't wear t-shirts.
> Bonnie is un-American.

Nah, Bonnie just doesn't have the
guns to roll up her Luckies in her
sleeve since she stopped rowing.

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bonnie:
> I found it on the archives.

Did you figure out your ftp problem,
or did you do the logon-to-UGa thing?

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steph:
> I don't know what has given me a craving for noodle kugel

It must be in the air.  I had the
same uncontrollable urge just last
week.

How much is thirty guilders in $US?

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 4:51:25 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>> Kaiser killed my grandfather.

> The Kaiser's minions tried to kill mine.

> --
> P.S. to Karen: I have read the rest
> of this thread and I am sorry for
> your bad experience, but once I get
> a bon mot between my teeth I can't
> stop.

> That, and my grandfather(s) survived
> the Great War, so here I am!

Oh, I laughed.

But of course, your last name is a pun, isn't it?:)

Karen

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 4:55:05 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen the uninsured:
>> Just joking, really. But I have no health care

> So move to Louisiana.  You won't
> have a choice of where to go, but
> it's there for you.

> Since 1926, as a maddafak.

Not until there's The Great Reorg and all of Austin ends up there.

There are free clinics, but they stop taking new patients in, like,
January.

Karen

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At 04:43 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
>Betty:
> > Anyone have leftovers? I had a pathetic Boca Burger.
>
>Last night was fondue (when
>was the last time any of you
>did *that*?), but lunch today
>was chicken thighs & dressing
>from...  some day last week.

We still do a chocolate fondue for dessert on special occasions. I have
noticed ads for fondue sets lately. Maybe they are coming back.

Betty

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At 04:51 PM 6/7/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
>Karen:
> > Kaiser killed my grandfather.
>
>The Kaiser's minions tried to kill mine.
>
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>P.S. to Karen: I have read the rest
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>stop.
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>That, and my grandfather(s) survived
>the Great War, so here I am!

And we're glad you are.

Betty

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Here we go! Go Devils!!!

Marie

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Aaargh!  Another wet, soggy, dreary weekend here - this is like
the tenth rainy weekend in a row and I'm sick of it. Lest you
think I'm exaggerating we had over 4 inches of rain in May
and just five precipitation-free weekends all this year. The
snow didn't get to me this winter but I can't take this rainy
spring.

I've lost track - sure hope Alec and Heide aren't moving this
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Karen:

>Kaiser killed my grandfather.

I'm now caught up with the thread but when I first
saw this I thought you were going to tell us a story
about the old country.

-rashmi

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
>Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
>being hilarious.

Yes, EDMW and Wedding Banquet are both good.

"Tampopo" is my favorite cooking movie.

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At 12:11 AM 6/8/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>I've lost track - sure hope Alec and Heide aren't moving this
>weekend.

I think they were packing. Larry and I went over to Golden Gate Park and
walked around. It was fun watching the model speed boats race and then the
fancy model sail boats had their turn on the water. Some cute little kids
had their remote control boats, too.  Then we walked up the path and came
to the buffalo.

Betty

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On Saturday, June 07, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Karen:
>>Kaiser killed my grandfather.

> I'm now caught up with the thread but when I first
> saw this I thought you were going to tell us a story
> about the old country.

Until 1918, my paternal last name was Kaiser. But we changed it in the
new country, not the old country.

Karen

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Sounds like the reverse of the trip we're taking.

We're on the Golden Princess, and it does the reverse of ours from
June 10-22, which would probably fit his total trip with travel to and
from.

If so, we'll be most interested in hearing his report.  We've already
read plenty of reports from others who've done the same trip, same
ship, on the web.

We're getting anxious already, and tomorrow will reserve our shore
excursions.  Ours also stops in Kusadasi Turkey to go to Ephesus, and
imagine that was just left out of your list.

dan


6/7/2003, 7:30 AM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

ABS> My uncle (the musician) is preparing to leave for a cruise June 9-24.
ABS> Itinerary: Venice, Istanbul, Athens, Naples, Livorno, Monaco and Barcelona.
ABS> This is a trip I wouldn't mind taking! The only place I've been before on
ABS> this list is Barcelona. I await the account.

ABS> (Dan, isn't this similar to part of the trip you have planned?)

ABS> AS


dan

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6/7/2003, 7:35 AM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
ABS> I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
ABS> Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
ABS> being hilarious.

Probably a bit tamer than the ones in "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife,
and Her Lover".

Took Gail to that on our first date.  Turned out to be a MOST
interesting first date.

dan

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 7:44:26 PM, Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/7/2003, 7:35 AM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
ABS>> I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
ABS>> Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
ABS>> being hilarious.

> Probably a bit tamer than the ones in "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife,
> and Her Lover".

Tamer, but I thought it was more interesting.

Karen

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6/7/2003, 9:36 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> It's an HMO. Even though he kept going back and complaining, they
KK> didn't diagnose his stomach cancer till it was too late to do anything
KK> about it.

Are you sure that

1) It could have been diagnosed earlier?
2) It would have made any difference?

I say that having a sister die of GI cancer.

dan

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6/7/2003, 10:52 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> I hope this story makes as many headlines
DM> as the original story about their loss did.


DM> http://tinyurl.co.uk/6Fyl

      Ultra liberal library lists are still whining about this, but
      they're sure that all of the info on what was found is bullshit,
      and they're still pissed.  They could never admit they were
      wrong or anything like that.

dan

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>We're getting anxious already, and tomorrow will reserve our shore
excursions.  Ours also stops in Kusadasi Turkey to go to Ephesus, and
imagine that was just left out of your list.

>dan

Aha -- could have well been the case. It was dashed off to me in a quick
e-mail; he didn't say which ship. Sounds like a blast (in either direction)!

What shore excusions are you thinking of?

AS

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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 7:48:50 PM, Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/7/2003, 9:36 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK>> It's an HMO. Even though he kept going back and complaining, they
KK>> didn't diagnose his stomach cancer till it was too late to do anything
KK>> about it.

> Are you sure that

> 1) It could have been diagnosed earlier?
> 2) It would have made any difference?

> I say that having a sister die of GI cancer.

Obviously I can't know any of that. It seems to me (and seemed to my
grandmother) that his problem bore greater investigation than they
were willing to do. But like I said, any perception I have of medical
care is most assuredly warped since I'm outside the system and likely
to remain so.

Karen

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>I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
>Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
>being hilarious.

>Yes, EDMW and Wedding Banquet are both good.

>"Tampopo" is my favorite cooking movie.

>-rashmi

Ah! I've not seen WB nor T. I love food movies!

AS

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Sunday, June 8, 2003, 7:55:30 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>>I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
>>Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
>>being hilarious.

>>Yes, EDMW and Wedding Banquet are both good.

>>"Tampopo" is my favorite cooking movie.

>>-rashmi

> Ah! I've not seen WB nor T. I love food movies!

Wedding Banquet is the same guy--Ang Lee. I'll watch anything he
directs.

Tampopo is Japanese.

There's another good Japanese food movie that I can't remember the
name of.

Karen

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It's from Julius Caesar.

Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.

Karen Kay wrote:

> "A hero dies once, a coward dies a thousand times."
>
> Or a thousand deaths. Or something like that.
>
> Karen
>
>


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Saturday, June 7, 2003, 8:36:48 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> It's from Julius Caesar.

> Cowards die many times before their deaths;
> The valiant never taste of death but once.

THANK YOU!!!! I was ignoring that part of the text, hoping that
someone would supply *something*.

Aha! According to Bartleby, "Caesar disregards objections to his
departure on the Ides of March for the Capitol, where he is to be assassinated."

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Aaargh!  Another wet, soggy, dreary weekend here - this is like
> the tenth rainy weekend in a row and I'm sick of it. Lest you
> think I'm exaggerating we had over 4 inches of rain in May
> and just five precipitation-free weekends all this year. The
> snow didn't get to me this winter but I can't take this rainy
> spring.
>
> I've lost track - sure hope Alec and Heide aren't moving this
> weekend.
>


        Meanwhile, I went hiking at the confluence this morning with
Vinnie.  We did about 4 miles.  Spotted lots of birds,
including two wild turkeys.

        This afternoon, we took the boat out to the sandbar.  My
freckles are now out for the season and I have a little bit
of sunburn on my chest where I missed with the sunscreen.
It was about 80 today, I think -- lots of lovely fluffy
clouds.  Perfect.




--
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> steph:
> > I don't know what has given me a craving for noodle kugel
>
> It must be in the air.  I had the
> same uncontrollable urge just last
> week.
>
> How much is thirty guilders in $US?
>
> --
> Richard      how does that concern you?
>

We had some comfort food tonite. Fried Matzah with bacon, of course. It
reminded me of mom, she taught me well.


alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, June 7, 2003, 8:36:48 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>It's from Julius Caesar.
>>
>
>>Cowards die many times before their deaths;
>>The valiant never taste of death but once.
>>
>
> THANK YOU!!!! I was ignoring that part of the text, hoping that
> someone would supply *something*.
>
> Aha! According to Bartleby, "Caesar disregards objections to his
> departure on the Ides of March for the Capitol, where he is to be assassinated."


        Act II, Scene ii, during the dialogue with Calphurnia.  I
think I put that one on an exam as an example of Caesar's
arrogance/ tragic flaw.




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> Aaargh!  Another wet, soggy, dreary weekend here - this is like
> the tenth rainy weekend in a row and I'm sick of it. Lest you
> think I'm exaggerating we had over 4 inches of rain in May
> and just five precipitation-free weekends all this year. The
> snow didn't get to me this winter but I can't take this rainy
> spring.
>
> I've lost track - sure hope Alec and Heide aren't moving this
> weekend.
> -rashmi
>

Nope, we got some appliances delivered in the rain. The guys did well. Clean
new fridge,washer and dryer. General Electric and Maytag are happy.


alec

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>bonnie:
> > I found it on the archives.
>
>Did you figure out your ftp problem,
>or did you do the logon-to-UGa thing?
>Richard      how does that concern you?

I did the logon-to-UGA thing.  Got a password and all that.

bonnie

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>Aaargh!  Another wet, soggy, dreary weekend here - this is like
>the tenth rainy weekend in a row and I'm sick of it. Lest you
>think I'm exaggerating we had over 4 inches of rain in May
>and just five precipitation-free weekends all this year.
>-rashmi

The rain you got never came this far north this weekend.  Or, rather, by
the time it got this far north it was also to the east and fell onto the
ocean.  But, Rashmi, always remember:  you don't have to shovel rain!


bonnie

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Go, Ducks!

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> "Tampopo" is my favorite cooking movie.

It's currently pretty high on my Netflix queue.

Marie

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> Aaargh!  Another wet, soggy, dreary weekend here - this is like
> the tenth rainy weekend in a row and I'm sick of it.

Oh yes, here too. We went to the dog show today. A much bigger event then I thought it was going to be -- not just vizslas, but all breeds. It was just like the movie!!!

But strange thing, my breeder was a no show.

Marie

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>Yes, happy anniversary Marie and Bruce.  I always think of the romantic way
>he proposed on the Brooklyn Bridge.

>bonnie

I always think of the way that they met in a bar (technically speaking).

I'd hum a few verses of "I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock and Roll"
but I suspect that she still *does* rock and roll. :-)

Ken Miller
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6/7/2003, 11:46 AM, Betty wrote:

B> The last article I read said she can't remember a thing and her father said
B> they aren't supposed to talk about it.  Let's wait for the movie.

Yup.  The TeeVee Movie is guaranteed to have the definitive answers.

dan

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6/8/2003, 6:53 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

ABS> Aha -- could have well been the case. It was dashed off to me in a quick
ABS> e-mail; he didn't say which ship. Sounds like a blast (in either direction)!

ABS> What shore excusions are you thinking of?

If you get a chance to check, let us know.

We're still undecided in Istanbul.  We're doing Ephesus, of course.
And in Athens an Acropolis/Corinth/Corinth Canal.  And then we're
doing Pompei/Sorrento/Capri.  And we'll probably do Monaco ourselves.
And we'll do Venice ourselves, as we'll be there a couple extra days.
And we're doing one in Florence, not doing Pisa too.  Think that's it.

dan

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At 07:01 PM 6/7/2003, you wrote:
>Here we go! Go Devils!!!
>
>Marie


Marie,

I feel for you. Although a lifelong Blackhawks fan, I'm pulling for the
Devils. I'll be glued to Monday night's game (on my new HDTV set)--should
be intense.

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16:18 01.06.2003 -0400 skrev bonniev:
>Thanks to the hard work and true talent of MEM, Acadiafest shirts are now
>ready for order.
>
>Due to the beauty and color of the shirt, it needs six screens to create
>it.  The first screen lays down a white so that the design is clear and
>sharp on the forest green shirt.  This means the production costs will be a
>bit high but still a value for this quality Beefy-T, short sleve
>shirt.  The cost will be in the range of $16.  This might vary
>slightly.  XX with be $1.50 more and XXX $3.00 more.  Mailing will be extra.

If it is not too late now, (I am slowly moving through my collected e-mail) I would like one XL, please.

Espen

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20:31 03.06.2003 -0500 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Dan Lester wrote:
>
>> I think sweet potato vines have very pretty leaves.  You can keep them
>> alive for a long time, many months, with sunlight and water, since
>> they've got the potato for nutrition.
>
>But yaknow -- a sweet potato will start sprouting vines without any
>sunlight or water.  Like if you just forget about it and let it sit too
>long wherever it's sitting.  Sometimes I'm reminded that it's time to go
>on and cook that sweet potato when I see it sprouting.

There is an exhibition at the Kon Tiki Museum. The sweet potato is native to America and has somehow been moved from there to Polynesia. So to show this support for contact theories, two sweet potatose, bought by me at a local greenery store are now on display (with dead, dry sprouts) at the KT-museum.

Espen

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09:22 04.06.2003 -0600 skrev Dan Lester:

>A colleague and I have been invited to speak at IFLA (Intl. Federation
>of Library Assns) in Berlin in early August.  We felt complimented, of
>course, but figured it would never happen.  Well, we told the boss
>about it, he was very pleased and impressed, and talked to the
>Provost, and they somehow came up with enough money to do it.  We're
>getting part of the cost covered, enough that we can float the
>rest of it.  So we leave for Berlin on the first of August (Dan and
>Gail, Peggy and Kelly).  In Berlin all week, and then we go separate
>ways.  Peggy and her guy Kelly are going to Switzerland for a few
>days, including some big ass horse show about a mile from the French
>border.
>
>On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure). On
>the night we board the Golden Princess to go to Monaco, Florence,
>Naples, Athens, Ephesus, Istanbul, ending in Venice.  We stay there
>two more days and then fly home on the 23rd.  Cruise is 12 days, and
>is pretty gogo with doing the once-over-lightly in the various ports.
>But hey, for European virgins.....

Great! Say hello to Athens for me - we plan to land there on September 7.

There will probably be quite a few people from my place of work at the IFLA:

Espen

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12:25 04.06.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>> On the 8th Gail and I fly to Barcelona (via Majorca, go figure).
>
>On July 7th I'll be leaving Barcelona -- back to Philly via Frankfurt (go figure). Just missing you.

I figure - I just flew Oslo - Frankfurt - Atlanta - Frankfurt - Oslo.

Espen - still a little jetlagged

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human powered vehicle:
= steph:
= > I don't know what has given me a craving for noodle kugel
=
= It must be in the air.  I had the
= same uncontrollable urge just last
= week.
=
= How much is thirty guilders in $US?

today:
30 nlg  1 eur    1 usd
       x-----   x-----    = 16.23 usd
        2.2 nlg  0.84 eur


the range of the euro is such that that 0.84 was on the top of
that equation about 2.5 years ago, making it USD 11.45.

The euro math went something like this:
2 cottage cheese
2 sour cream
2 cream cheese
2 eggs
1 noodles
1 butter
1 raisins and apples
2 honey (I used really expensive honey)

cottage cheese, sour cream and cream cheese are all specialty
items here

The kugel was satisfying.  I made it with 500 grams of noodles
instead of 454, and I left out some egg.  Leaving out the egg was
fine, but next time I'll make it with only 400 grams of noodles.
It was too noodley.

I had half a piece for breakfast this morning, there are 2.5
pieces left in the fridge and another 6! in the freezer.
Good take to work lunch if it will defrost by noon or 1.

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At 11:47 PM 6/7/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>And we're doing one in Florence,

If it is nice weather and you want to stretch your legs, visit the Boboli
Gardens.

cwv

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At 09:19 AM 6/8/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:

>If it is not too late now, (I am slowly moving through my collected
>e-mail) I would like one XL, please.

Just under the wire.  Thanks.


cwv

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http://tinyurl.com/drhv

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09:01 08.06.2003 -0400 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 09:19 AM 6/8/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>>If it is not too late now, (I am slowly moving through my collected
>>e-mail) I would like one XL, please.
>
>Just under the wire.  Thanks.

Thank you very much!

When you know the amount including postage, I will send you the money and an address.

Espen

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> Go, Ducks!
>

Few things in sports are better than Game 7. Monday in New Jersey. Fasten
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> I thought I was going to read the thread much later, being afraid of its
> being nasty. Yet I've read much of it by now. I want to answer different
> messages all the time when reading, but there seems to be much less
> sense to it now that Natalie is away :-(
>
> I sent her a message, but of course I was not going to discuss leftovers
> and all that followed from them.
>
> Seems that Words-l has become bigger a part of my life than I could
> expect some time ago. Which I may welcome, were it not to realize it in
> such an atmosphere.
>
> Kristin
>

Words-l has been a part of my life for more then 12 years. The atmosphere
you talk about was honesty. I spoke my opinion. I was straight and honest,
not nice or tactful. I made my comments, because as a member, I wanted her
to know how I felt and I guess a few others felt too.

alec

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Back here, start reading one by one.

Karen Kay wrote:

>  Rita offered to make
> >> Greek food for us, and at that point, Natalie said "If somebody just
> >> left some baklava with me, I'd quickly toss it into the garbage or
> >> flush it down the toilet." This was a direct response to Rita's offer
> >> to make Greek food for everyone.
>
> > Then I remember wrong. Or saw other connections.
>
> Perhaps. The archives are there, free to all.

Yep, read the messages a moment ago. It was as I remembered. I see that it could have
been understood the way you did, but I saw it differently from that then and do now.

No

>saying that you [Natalie] would flush baklava that
>Rita made especially for you was offensive.

I wouldn't have taken it as a personal insult even if I were the one who made that
baklava. Maybe I'm naive. For there may come Natalie and say, "of course it was meant
as insult" -- which would confuse me much as it was in another case.


> I freely admit that Natalie probably didn't mean this the way it
> sounded. She clearly didn't remember that her response was a direct
> response to Rita's offer.

lol. Yes. But look at my last sentence above the quote :)

Kristin

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> There is an exhibition at the Kon Tiki Museum. The sweet potato is native to America and has somehow been moved from there to Polynesia. So to show this support for contact theories, two sweet potatose, bought by me at a local greenery store are now on display (with dead, dry sprouts) at the KT-museum.

I like it. As if the sweet potatoes have covered an itinerary America-Polynesia-Norway. And that you had a role in their doing so.

Kristin

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> There is an exhibition at the Kon Tiki Museum. The sweet potato is native
to America and has somehow been moved from there to Polynesia. So to show
this support for contact theories, two sweet potatose, bought by me at a
local greenery store are now on display (with dead, dry sprouts) at the
KT-museum.


>I like it. As if the sweet potatoes have covered an itinerary
America-Polynesia-Norway. And that you had a role in their doing so.


>Kristin

I have a cow orker who regularly microwaves a whole sweet potato for her
lunch.

AS

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= I have a cow orker who regularly microwaves a whole sweet potato for her
= lunch.
=
= AS

Abomination!

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Words-l has been a part of my life for more then 12 years. The atmosphere
> you talk about was honesty. I spoke my opinion. I was straight and honest,
> not nice or tactful. I made my comments, because as a member, I wanted her
> to know how I felt and I guess a few others felt too.

Ok.

Kristin

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>I wouldn't have taken it as a personal insult even if I were the one who
made that
baklava. Maybe I'm naive. For there may come Natalie and say, "of course it
was meant
as insult" -- which would confuse me much as it was in another case

As "the other case," it did not insult me. Aroused my pity and/or creeped me
out, perhaps. (Think: "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?") Such people making
such comments insult themselves and reveal more internal torture than they
could ever know, evidently.

AS, having allowed more bandwidth than the topic merits ...

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>If you get a chance to check, let us know.

I think he's already gone; he was going to see some friends in New York
before taking off.

>We're still undecided in Istanbul.  We're doing Ephesus, of course.
And in Athens an Acropolis/Corinth/Corinth Canal.  And then we're
doing Pompei/Sorrento/Capri.  And we'll probably do Monaco ourselves.
And we'll do Venice ourselves, as we'll be there a couple extra days.
And we're doing one in Florence, not doing Pisa too.  Think that's it.

>dan

Sounds good. Doing places oneself when there is time is also my choice. My
hackneyed two cents: If in Barthelona, check out La Sagrada Familia and the
maritime museum. Stolling Las Ramblas is more than interesting in itself --
plus stopping off for tapas here and there.

AS

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> > Maybe I'm naive. For there may come Natalie and say, "of course it
> >was meant
> >as insult" -- which would confuse me much as it was in another case
>
> As "the other case," it did not insult me.

lol -- because it gives the air as if I had deliberately tried express my
thought with an euphemism. Actually I didn't want to again start writing how it
exactly was when she said it was whorish, and what I thought, and what others
though, etc.

Btw, I ordered rather a whorish top this year from a catalogue shop. I liked its
colour -- bright red -- and neither its armholes nor neckline looked as big on
the photo as they turned out to be. Aamf, the only time I wore it I put a
T-shirt under it, so it served as a vest/waistcoat and looked rather decent.
Perhaps when the really hot summer is here I'll wear it as meant. That time one
would have hesitated, when looking at me, whether I was going to to set out for
the office, as it actually was, or for some lanternpost to stand under.

> Aroused my pity and/or creeped me
> out, perhaps. (Think: "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?") Such people making
> such comments insult themselves and reveal more internal torture than they
> could ever know, evidently.

Do you think it is that bad with her? :-(

Kristin

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= hackneyed two cents: If in Barthelona, check out La Sagrada Familia and the

Barthelona:  I'm taking Spanish from a woman from Tharagotha, who
has taught us to use the name Thethilia to help us remember when
to "th".  For me it's much like learning to rumble in the back of
my throat for the "g" in Dutch, in that it does not come
naturally when reading aloud, but the harder you hit it, the more
right it sounds to the natives.

Park Guell is also excellent.

Shoes:  I spent a lot of time looking at shoes.

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steph wrote:

> = I have a cow orker who regularly microwaves a whole sweet potato for her
> = lunch.
> =
> = AS
>
> Abomination!


        I have this for supper sometimes.  With some butter.  It's
excellent.




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Marie Ascher wrote:

>>Aaargh!  Another wet, soggy, dreary weekend here - this is like
>>the tenth rainy weekend in a row and I'm sick of it.
>>
>
> Oh yes, here too. We went to the dog show today. A much bigger event then I thought it was going to be -- not just vizslas, but all breeds. It was just like the movie!!!


Was it fun?


> But strange thing, my breeder was a no show.


That's not really unusual.  Were there lots of viszlas?

Send me your address, please.




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This was sent to me recently.  I have no way of knowing
if Andy Rooney really said this.  Were copies of his script
available somewhere?  Sounds like his style, I must say.
Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.

                  - D. M.




Andy Rooney's comments on 60 Minutes a few weeks back:
(for those of you that don't know Andy Rooney, he is an 82 year
 old US TV commentator)

I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big 
campfires.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some
governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to 
crack addicts for squirting out babies.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You
can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban 
you from driving to the ball game.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there
are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING
MARTHA BURKE?
I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it 
is an opinion.
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except
numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory 
are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black
Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things
like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White
Entertainment Television,  or Miss White America; and see what
happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are 
different, weird, or tick me off.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where
70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the
Law of Probability.
I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I 
received sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't
be a private matter or my personal business. I would be "FIRED" 
immediately! 
I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake,
a pack of cigarettes,  a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do
it in English! As a matter of  fact, if you want to be an American
citizen, you should have to speak English!
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the 
countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry
self if you threaten them  after they tell you to stop. If you can't
understand the word "freeze" or  "stop" in English, see the above lines.
I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount
votes when needed.
I know what the definition of lying is.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are
qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans 
or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or
any other business.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives 
in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over
here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their
interpretations.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. 
That doesn't stop you from watching them.
I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more
dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and 
continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating 
system that's better, and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that
invented the Internet to help you.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take 
a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when
necessary, and say "NO!"
"I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't
pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until 
that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as
you serve me French fries!
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and
not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be
"African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around
saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great,
great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America
and nowhere else.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough.

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Doris Markland:
= This was sent to me recently.  I have no way of knowing
= if Andy Rooney really said this.  Were copies of his script
= available somewhere?  Sounds like his style, I must say.
= Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
= Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.
=
=                   - D. M.
=

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/rooney.asp

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At 11:59 AM 6/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>This was sent to me recently.  I have no way of knowing
>if Andy Rooney really said this.  Were copies of his script
>available somewhere?  Sounds like his style, I must say.
>Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
>Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.

Perhaps this was his Farewell speech?  ;-->

I especially like this one:

>I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more
>dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.


By the way, how's Gene doing today?

cwv

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Rita Chapman:
= steph wrote:
=
= >= I have a cow orker who regularly microwaves a whole sweet potato for her
= >= lunch.
= >=
= >= AS
= >
= >Abomination!
=
=
=        I have this for supper sometimes.  With some butter.  It's
= excellent.
=

It's the microwaving I was objecting too.  Does weird things to
potatoes.  I too have dinner like this sometimes, but generally I
can wait the hour it takes to bake.  I have a combo microwave
convection oven, which is truly an excellent thing, so I don't
have to heat up the monster oven either.

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Doris, you could check this stuff out on snopes.  Their summary said that
status is FALSE.
Refreshing??

Betty

 From the website:



       Origins:   Curmudgeonly 60 Minutes commentator Andy Rooney may have
delivered a vituperative
       essay on French politics in 2003, but this piece elaborating on his
own politics is not his creation.
       The text quoted above is too reactionary even for the acerbic
Rooney, and the language used
       doesn't sound like him. ("Shoot your sorry ass" just isn't the kind
of phrase Andy Rooney employs on
       television.) Just to be thorough, we checked the transcripts of all
of Andy Rooney's 60 Minutes
       pieces from the last ten years, and nothing like this item turned up.

       The final two sentences are probably a good tipoff that either this
item was written (by an as yet
       unidentified author) as a parody of the "A Few Minutes With Andy
Rooney" spots on 60 Minutes, or
       someone appended Andy Rooney's name to an unattributed piece because
it "seemed like something
       he would say." Either way, whoever created this version appears to
have lifted some parts from an
       earlier piece known as "Yes, I Guess I am A BAD American" and
falsely credited to comedian George
       Carlin.

At 11:59 AM 6/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>This was sent to me recently.  I have no way of knowing
>if Andy Rooney really said this.  Were copies of his script
>available somewhere?  Sounds like his style, I must say.
>Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
>Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.
>
>                   - D. M.
>

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I thought this entry from the Urban Legends Reference Pages might interest
you:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/rooney.asp

Bookmark this site.

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Betty Clark:
= I thought this entry from the Urban Legends Reference Pages might interest
= you:
=
= http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/rooney.asp
=
= Bookmark this site.

You are too slow bBetty!

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At 07:10 PM 6/8/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Betty Clark:
>= I thought this entry from the Urban Legends Reference Pages might interest
>= you:
>=
>= http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/rooney.asp
>=
>= Bookmark this site.
>
>You are too slow bBetty!

You are fast!  I had to take a scrabble turn in between.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

>  Sounds like his style, I must say.
> Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
> Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.
>
>                   - D. M.
>
> Andy Rooney's comments on 60 Minutes a few weeks back:
> (for those of you that don't know Andy Rooney, he is an 82 year
>  old US TV commentator)

Reading them here on the other hemisphere my reaction is, perhaps he can allow
himself to say it all, without being afraid of what happens next. Refreshing,
yes.

Kristin, in some fear of the rising so-called political correctness that may
require guts to say what you think

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Betty wrote:

> Doris, you could check this stuff out on snopes.  Their summary said that
> status is FALSE.
> Refreshing??

Whe I agreed to it, I forgot to add that it doesn't mean I agree to everything
what was written, and there were exaggerations. But if it is false then there is
no refreshment whatsoever.

Kristin

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>
>
> By the way, how's Gene doing today?
>
> cwv

He's doing well, I think.  He looks pale and thin,
which is so unlike him, but he's been through a
lot and heart surgery patients seem to lose their
appetite for a while.  I'm supposed to tempt him
and force him to eat more until he builds back
his strength.  Nevertheless he is exercising at
Heart Rehab and he goes walking several times
a day.  He is doing more than he's supposed to
do, and that is Gene.

                               - D. M.

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> Doris Markland:
> = This was sent to me recently.  I have no way of knowing
> = if Andy Rooney really said this.  Were copies of his script
> = available somewhere?  Sounds like his style, I must say.
> = Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
> = Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.
> =
> =                   - D. M.
> =
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/rooney.asp

Thanks, Steph.  I should have thought of Snopes.
It was too outrageous to be real.

                   - D. M.

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> Doris, you could check this stuff out on snopes.  Their summary said
that
> status is FALSE.
> Refreshing??
>
> Betty

As I told Steph, I should have thought of Snopes.
I was certainly suspicious.

Anyway, yes I think it would be refreshing if
once in a while someone said what they really felt
instead of what they are supposed to feel.

               - D. M.

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>
> Bookmark this site.

I've had it bookmarked for years.
Just forget it sometimes.

         - D. M.

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> I feel for you. Although a lifelong Blackhawks fan, I'm pulling
> for the
> Devils. I'll be glued to Monday night's game (on my new HDTV set)--
> shouldbe intense.

It's been painful, but I do have a good feeling about Monday. If it does happen, it'll be good to see it happen at home. We had season tickets the year they won in Dallas.

(Bruce and I did get to hug the Stanley Cup that year though)

Can't wait.

Marie

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> > Oh yes, here too. We went to the dog show today. A much bigger
> event then I thought it was going to be -- not just vizslas, but
> all breeds. It was just like the movie!!!
>
> Was it fun?

I enjoyed it. But Bruce is still recovering from his foot surgery and we couldn't have him out too long in the slop -- it was pretty nasty. He got a little grumpy. I should have gone alone.

> > But strange thing, my breeder was a no show.
>
> That's not really unusual.  Were there lots of viszlas?

There were over a hundred. Maybe more than any other dog, it seemed which I thought was interesting. Or maybe I was just there when all the vizsla action was going on.

> Send me your address, please.

14 Puckey Drive
Cortlandt Manor, NY 10567

Marie

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> I always think of the way that they met in a bar (technically
> speaking).

The good old-fashioned way, as we like to say.

> I'd hum a few verses of "I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock
> and Roll"
> but I suspect that she still *does* rock and roll. :-)

I do my best, Ken.

Marie

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Karen:
> But of course, your last name is a pun, isn't it?:)

I dunno.  They didn't let me pick it.

--
Richard      drinking bouts, orgies, and the like

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Betty:
> noticed ads for fondue sets lately. Maybe they are coming back.

Cool.  We are so, like, ahead
of the curve.

What goes into chocolate fondue?

--
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alec:
>Fried Matzah with bacon, of course.

I guess they'd call the "fusion food".

Sounds pretty good.  Though, since one of
the ingredients is bacon, I'm repeating
myself, aren't I?

--
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       - Janet Hardy (I think)

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wooden-shoe steph:
> cottage cheese, sour cream and cream cheese are all specialty
> items here

Does the .nl not raise dairy cows,
or is it just that the culture
doesn't <do> milk in those forms?

"culture" -- HAH!  I make funny
amaireekahn jeez-like choke!

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Jeanne-Sebastienne Brodeurette:
> (Bruce and I did get to hug the Stanley Cup that year though)

You *touched* it??????????

You'll never win the Cup now!

Back when New Orleans still had
a hockey team (sob!) the Cup made
an appearance at the Arena.

They had Bobby Orr drop the puck
that night, too.

Yes, I touched Bobby Orr.

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= >
= >You are too slow bBetty!
=
= You are fast!  I had to take a scrabble turn in between.
=
= Betty

Excuses, excuses!

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The guy with the conical cap:
> Does the .nl not raise dairy cows,

Well, DUH!, sez the guy who used
Danish cheese just the other day.

So now my theory is that they use
all the milk for things other than
Steph's ingredients.

Just talking to myself here, move
along, nothing to see.

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human powered vehicle wrote:


> Yes, I touched Bobby Orr.
>

        Bobby Orr used to buy his knee braces, etc. from my mom.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita:
>Bobby Orr used to buy his knee braces, etc. from my mom.

Crikey.  With his unfortunate
knee-related luck, she must
have made a fortune.

Damn, that man could *play*.

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At 03:44 PM 6/8/2003 -0500, human powered vehicle wrote:
>Betty:
> > noticed ads for fondue sets lately. Maybe they are coming back.
>
>Cool.  We are so, like, ahead
>of the curve.
>
>What goes into chocolate fondue?

Bananas, strawberries, pineapple, angel food cake chunks, kiwi.

Betty

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human powered vehicle:
= The guy with the conical cap:
= > Does the .nl not raise dairy cows,
=
= Well, DUH!, sez the guy who used
= Danish cheese just the other day.
=

Um, what does Denmark have to do with this?

Gouda.  Some unreasonably large portion of the cheese here is
Gouda.  Jong, Jong Belegen, Belegen, extra Belegen, Oud,
Overjarige, Jong Belegen met komijn.  All Gouda.

Edam.

then Maasdammer and Leerdammer (that's Dutch cheese with holes,
tastes a bit like Swiss)


= So now my theory is that they use
= all the milk for things other than
= Steph's ingredients.
=

Yogurt.  Vla.  Kwark.  Buttermilk.  People drink glasses of
buttermilk.  And milk, milk, milk.  Grownups drink milk for
lunch in this strange land.

Sour cream is available in half cup containers, but only readily
in the last 5 years.  Cottage cheese is labled Hutten Kase in
German, and in smaller letters in English.  You can't get the
normal silver blocks of Philadelphia cream cheese, though they've
just started selling all the whipped stuff with additives.  Lots
of other brands with additives too (mmm. horseradish is good) So
you have to get these tiny blocks of Mon Chou.

= Just talking to myself here, move
= along, nothing to see.
=
= --
= Richard      drinking bouts, orgies, and the like

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> alec:
> >Fried Matzah with bacon, of course.
>
> I guess they'd call the "fusion food".
>
> Sounds pretty good.  Though, since one of
> the ingredients is bacon, I'm repeating
> myself, aren't I?
>
> --
> "Bacon is proof that God loves us."
>        - Janet Hardy (I think)
>

It is a reform Jews way to eat Jewish soul food.

alec

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At 02:38 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>What goes into chocolate fondue?
>
>Bananas, strawberries, pineapple, angel food cake chunks, kiwi.

Last night at Red Sky (James's and Elizabeth's new restaurant), my
appetizer was two very small, very nicely cooked lamb chops drizzled with a
seasoned, bittersweet chocolate sauce.  Exquisite.

cwv

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At 06:19 PM 6/8/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 02:38 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>>What goes into chocolate fondue?
>>
>>Bananas, strawberries, pineapple, angel food cake chunks, kiwi.
>
>Last night at Red Sky (James's and Elizabeth's new restaurant), my
>appetizer was two very small, very nicely cooked lamb chops drizzled with a
>seasoned, bittersweet chocolate sauce.  Exquisite.

Two lamb chops was an appetizer?  What was the main course?

I've put chocolate on a lot of stuff but never meat.  We plan to dip some
strawberries that I just bought today.

Betty

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At 03:32 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
 >Two lamb chops was an appetizer?  What was the main course?

These were very small (the menu termed them "lollipop") chops---from the
rib, not the loin.  All in all it was about two quarter-sized
chops.  Anyhow, for the main course, I had seared duck breast with
rhubarbed cashews, herbed rice, and sauteed green beans.

>I've put chocolate on a lot of stuff but never meat.

Consider the Mexican moles (sorry, can't do the diacritical).  And remember
the deathless words of love Judith:  there is no dish that cannot be
improved by the addition of chocolate or garlic.

cwv

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At 08:14 PM 6/8/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:32 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
> >Two lamb chops was an appetizer?  What was the main course?
>
>These were very small (the menu termed them "lollipop") chops---from the
>rib, not the loin.  All in all it was about two quarter-sized
>chops.  Anyhow, for the main course, I had seared duck breast with
>rhubarbed cashews, herbed rice, and sauteed green beans.

Yum! Go ahead and tell us what Bonnie had.


>>I've put chocolate on a lot of stuff but never meat.
>
>Consider the Mexican moles (sorry, can't do the diacritical).  And remember
>the deathless words of love Judith:  there is no dish that cannot be
>improved by the addition of chocolate or garlic.

I thought of the mole right after I sent that.

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 03:32 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>  >Two lamb chops was an appetizer?  What was the main course?
>
> These were very small (the menu termed them "lollipop") chops---from the
> rib, not the loin.  All in all it was about two quarter-sized
> chops.  Anyhow, for the main course, I had seared duck breast with
> rhubarbed cashews, herbed rice, and sauteed green beans.


        At Schnucks this evening, I saw cod loins on sale.  I don't
remember what we ever decided comprised a fish's loin, but
it was fun trying to picture it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Consider the Mexican moles (sorry, can't do the diacritical).

No diacritical needed.

AS

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From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> Jeanne-Sebastienne Brodeurette:
> > (Bruce and I did get to hug the Stanley Cup that year though)
>
> You *touched* it??????????
>
> You'll never win the Cup now!

I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually), but they already had. We have a framed 11X16 picture of us touching it.

Marie

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> What goes into chocolate fondue?

Our neighbors (a 30-something couple) had us over for chocolate fondue dessert and champagne on New Year's Eve this year. I remember strawberries and kiwis, but not much else. (There was lots of champagne).  But yes, fondue is definitely sorta <back>.

Marie

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> > You *touched* it??????????
> >
> > You'll never win the Cup now!
>
> I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually), but
> they already had. We have a framed 11X16 picture of us touching it.
>
> Marie

I have the .jpg if anyone wants it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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----- Original Message -----
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Date: Sunday, June 8, 2003 8:34 pm
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> > > You *touched* it??????????
> > >
> > > You'll never win the Cup now!
> >
> > I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually), but
> > they already had. We have a framed 11X16 picture of us touching it.
> >
> I have the .jpg if anyone wants it.

Actually, I would. I had it living on a NYAM server for a while, but I don't think I took it with me when I left...

Marie

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>Our neighbors (a 30-something couple) had us over for chocolate fondue
dessert and champagne on New Year's Eve this year. I remember strawberries
and kiwis, but not much else. (There was lots of champagne).  But yes,
fondue is definitely sorta <back>.


>Marie

I like that very much -- both the actual food and the style of eating.

I also like the hot pot-style style of dining. For some reason lately I keep
thinking of the meals I had at several years ago at Shabusen in Vancouver
(http://www.sushi.infogate.de/rest/na_canada_vancouver.htm#shabusen) -- we
went there three times the week I was there for a conference for hot pot and
sushi.

I think a fondue set now appears on my wish list.

AS

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> > "Tampopo" is my favorite cooking movie.

>It's currently pretty high on my Netflix queue.

I'm not a film geek and don't know the symbolism etc of the
movie. I like the characters, the noodle scenes, the broth
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At 08:34 PM 6/8/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > > You *touched* it??????????
> > >
> > > You'll never win the Cup now!
> >
> > I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually), but
> > they already had. We have a framed 11X16 picture of us touching it.
> >
> > Marie
>
>I have the .jpg if anyone wants it.

Yes, please.

B

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I don't have a cite but remember reading on the treadmill that
verbena can be used to freshen the bath water - the phrase
"warm lemony soak" is stuck in my brain.

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Sunday, June 8, 2003, 7:22:48 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         At Schnucks this evening, I saw cod loins on sale.  I don't
> remember what we ever decided comprised a fish's loin, but
> it was fun trying to picture it.

We've talked about cod loins before--Costco always has them for sale.

Karen

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Sunday, June 8, 2003, 7:49:48 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> I don't have a cite but remember reading on the treadmill that
> verbena can be used to freshen the bath water - the phrase
> "warm lemony soak" is stuck in my brain.

I've used lemon balm for exactly that.

Karen

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>I don't have a cite but remember reading on the treadmill that
verbena can be used to freshen the bath water - the phrase
"warm lemony soak" is stuck in my brain.


>-rashmi

Hmmmm. Sounds enticing. I also thought I'd try to make some tea with it.

AS

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steph:

>2 cottage cheese
>2 sour cream
>2 cream cheese

Three strikes!

-rashmi

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At 11:59 AM 6/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>This was sent to me recently.  I have no way of knowing
>if Andy Rooney really said this.  Were copies of his script
>available somewhere?  Sounds like his style, I must say.
>Frankly, I think if he said all this on TV it took a lots of guts.
>Not PC whatsoever.  Refreshing.

This sounds refreshing -  for 1988 maybe. I must hang with a
weird crowd or be plugged in to different pop culture than
the author of this piece. I hear this sort of thing all the time -
in person as well as on the radio (I mostly listen to the "alternative"
music station).

It might be satire but it's not much funnier than the rest of
Rooney's old people commentary. (I find Andy Rooney a
big snooze.)

-rashmi

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Why is Pittsburgh PA the only one with the final -h?

Or is it?

Bethany

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Marie:

>I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually), but
>they already had. We have a framed 11X16 picture of us touching it.

That was (is) a great picture even though you're wearing the dreaded
red jersey.

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At 05:27 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
 >Yum! Go ahead and tell us what Bonnie had.

I know that she had a green salad and a steak, but she'll have to fill in
the details.  The other couple had pan-seared tuna and lobster risotto,
which they enjoyed.

cwv

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At 10:06 PM 6/8/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 05:27 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
> >Yum! Go ahead and tell us what Bonnie had.
>
>I know that she had a green salad and a steak, but she'll have to fill in
>the details.  The other couple had pan-seared tuna and lobster risotto,
>which they enjoyed.

Almost forgot---we had bittersweet chocolate gelato for dessert.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, June 8, 2003, 7:22:48 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        At Schnucks this evening, I saw cod loins on sale.  I don't
>>remember what we ever decided comprised a fish's loin, but
>>it was fun trying to picture it.
>>
>
> We've talked about cod loins before--Costco always has them for sale.
>


        Yes, that's the conversation I was alluding to.




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human powered vehicle wrote:

> "Bacon is proof that God loves us."
>        - Janet Hardy (I think)

    I've always seem that attributed to Benjamin Franklin, and referring
to beer, but it all amounts to the same, doesn't it?

JMW

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Rashmi Murthy:
= steph:
=
= >2 cottage cheese
= >2 sour cream
= >2 cream cheese
=
= Three strikes!
=

No milk for you.

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>Why is Pittsburgh PA the only one with the final -h?

>Or is it?

>Bethany

I believe it is; why, I do not know.

How's the Strip District these days? Did you enter the Cathedral of
Learning?

AS

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>How's the Strip District these days? Did you enter the Cathedral of
>Learning?

I got near the Strip in my one long walk. I did not enter the Cathedral
of Learning - but I'd like to someday. The only places I went outside the
Wm. Penn Hotel were Kinko's and First Lutheran Church, a block away
(founded 1837), where I attended a splendid Pentecost Day service on
Sunday morning. My conferences tend to be like that ...

Bethany

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> Bananas, strawberries, pineapple, angel food cake chunks, kiwi.

Ah.

Putting fruit into chocolate seems
to be gilding the lily.

But then, I'm not all that big on
sweets.  Do you use unsweetened,
or what?

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steph:
> Um, what does Denmark have to do with this?

Bupkis.  Somwhere between brain and hand,
the Netherlands turned into Denmark.

> Edam.

Yes, the cheese made backwards.

>People drink glasses of buttermilk.

<shudder>  I had a boss that did that.

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Marie:
>> You'll never win the Cup now!
> I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually)

That would be a hindrance.

Speaking of hindrances, I am working
on a skater's guide to New Orleans
streets, coded from green to yellow
to red, depending on condition.

I'm gonna run out of red photons.

jeez, this place is a dump.

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> steph:
>
> >People drink glasses of buttermilk.
>
> <shudder>  I had a boss that did that.

I have drunk buttemilk only when it is sour. I guess there must be
non-sour buttermilk, too. Which do you mean, Steph?

I like sour buttermilk, btw, yet I prefer a similar beverage with a bit
more fat in it -- mostly because they say your organism cannot get
enough good things from the milk if the fat isn't there.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv:
= human powered vehicle wrote:
=
= > steph:
= >
= > >People drink glasses of buttermilk.
= >
= > <shudder>  I had a boss that did that.
=
= I have drunk buttemilk only when it is sour. I guess there must be
= non-sour buttermilk, too. Which do you mean, Steph?
=

No, this stuff is pretty sour.  I used to like Grape Nuts (an
American breakfast cereal with neither grapes nor nuts) with
brown sugar and a bit of buttermilk, but I can't get the cereal
here (and I can live without it).

= I like sour buttermilk, btw, yet I prefer a similar beverage with a bit
= more fat in it -- mostly because they say your organism cannot get
= enough good things from the milk if the fat isn't there.
=
= Kristin

I'm of the opinion that there's nothing particulary good to get
from milk that I'm not already getting some place else.  So I
enjoy my milky pleasures however they arrive.

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> No, this stuff is pretty sour.  I used to like Grape Nuts (an
> American breakfast cereal with neither grapes nor nuts) with
> brown sugar and a bit of buttermilk, but I can't get the cereal
> here (and I can live without it).

I eat it with fruit and buttermilk or fruit and yogurt.

Karen
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steph wrote:

>   I used to like Grape Nuts (an
> American breakfast cereal with neither grapes nor nuts) with
> brown sugar and a bit of buttermilk, but I can't get the cereal
> here (and I can live without it).

Are there different kinds of (breakfast) cereal, then? For I thought it
general in Europe to have several kind of cereal mixes as breakfast. They
have become popular here, too, and we also have "a very special mix" of our
own -- one of the few traditional Estonian foods eaten and enjoyed nowadays
which I think most other people would look at very suspiciously.

Kristin

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At 09:08 AM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > Bananas, strawberries, pineapple, angel food cake chunks, kiwi.
>
>Ah.
>
>Putting fruit into chocolate seems
>to be gilding the lily.
>
>But then, I'm not all that big on
>sweets.  Do you use unsweetened,
>or what?

I think so.  I just partake of it.

Betty

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Are there different kinds of (breakfast) cereal, then? For I thought it
> general in Europe to have several kind of cereal mixes as breakfast. They
> have become popular here, too, and we also have "a very special mix" of our
> own -- one of the few traditional Estonian foods eaten and enjoyed nowadays
> which I think most other people would look at very suspiciously.

Is this funny or what.  Natalie leaves after a messy food fight, and now
the list has become a frikkin -food- list.

Ann

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > Are there different kinds of (breakfast) cereal, then? For I thought it
> > general in Europe to have several kind of cereal mixes as breakfast. They
> > have become popular here, too, and we also have "a very special mix" of our
> > own -- one of the few traditional Estonian foods eaten and enjoyed nowadays
> > which I think most other people would look at very suspiciously.
>
> Is this funny or what.  Natalie leaves after a messy food fight, and now
> the list has become a frikkin -food- list.

No fun whatsoever. I miss her. I might do without her messages for a longish
while if I knew she intends to come back whenever she wants.

Kristin

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steph:
> (an American breakfast cereal with neither grapes nor nuts)

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_147.html

That Cecil can be a hoot.

--
Richard       "a waste of our existence", eh?

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:43 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: comfort food
>
>
>Ann Borkin wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> >
>> > Are there different kinds of (breakfast) cereal, then? For
>I thought it
>> > general in Europe to have several kind of cereal mixes as
>breakfast. They
>> > have become popular here, too, and we also have "a very
>special mix" of our
>> > own -- one of the few traditional Estonian foods eaten and
>enjoyed nowadays
>> > which I think most other people would look at very suspiciously.
>>
>> Is this funny or what.  Natalie leaves after a messy food
>fight, and now
>> the list has become a frikkin -food- list.
>
>No fun whatsoever. I miss her. I might do without her messages
>for a longish
>while if I knew she intends to come back whenever she wants.
>
>Kristin
>

Kristin,

Did you know you are whining? Natalie has left, it is time to move on.
Others have left and we have moved on.


peace,

alec

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> Kristin,
>
> Did you know you are whining? Natalie has left, it is time to move on.
> Others have left and we have moved on.

The others were not the heart of the list.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:56 AM
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>
>> Kristin,
>>
>> Did you know you are whining? Natalie has left, it is time
>to move on.
>> Others have left and we have moved on.
>
>The others were not the heart of the list.
>
>Karen
>"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down
>and my teeth
>fixed."
>
Karen,
You seem of two minds. My memory is Natalie was pretty mean to you about the
whole job and money issue. Now, has it changed?


alec

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So where is our Natalie? I leave town for four days and ...?

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
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>So where is our Natalie? I leave town for four days and ...?
>
>Bethany
>

Gone! Read the archives and find out the details.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Kristin,
>
> Did you know you are whining?

I may accept this. But I wait with it. You may use the Delete-key.

> Natalie has left, it is time to move on.
>
> peace,

 No and no.

Btw, as to the second "no" as a reaction to "peace": I do not mean there
should be fight between you and me. Aamf, as you maybe have noticed, I
have not accused you of anything. But in the sense I am not calm there is
no peace.

Kristin

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> Karen,
> You seem of two minds.

Nope.

> My memory is Natalie was pretty mean to you about
> the whole job and money issue. Now, has it changed?

I don't see that one thing has to do with the other. Yes, she was VERY
mean to me. It's one of the things that made me think she was very
stressed out. But that doesn't have anything to do with my believing that
she is the center of the list.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> So where is our Natalie? I leave town for four days and ...?

See the archives Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:17:31. Natalie's message.

Kristin

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>So where is our Natalie? I leave town for four days and ...?
>>
>>Bethany
>>
>
>Gone! Read the archives and find out the details.

So - my life is changing. The Old City anchor tenant is leaving the Old
City this month - and our anchor poster has left words-l. Hmmm ... I'm
leaving the Old city soon .... I must think about all this.

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:05 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>> Karen,
>> You seem of two minds.
>
>Nope.
>
>> My memory is Natalie was pretty mean to you about
>> the whole job and money issue. Now, has it changed?
>
>I don't see that one thing has to do with the other. Yes, she was VERY
>mean to me. It's one of the things that made me think she was very
>stressed out. But that doesn't have anything to do with my
>believing that
>she is the center of the list.
>
>Karen
>"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down
>and my teeth
>fixed."
>

Thanks for clarifying that point. I agree and would never debate that
Natalie was a main list person.


alec

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Gone! Read the archives and find out the details.

There's much too much there to do that ...

Bethany

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>See the archives Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:17:31. Natalie's message.

Well, thanks - though that does not explain much.

(I know of course that context is all.)

Bethany

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= the list has become a frikkin -food- list.
=
= Ann

the list has been a food list since as long as I can remember

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6/9/2003, 10:08 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>Gone! Read the archives and find out the details.

BKD> There's much too much there to do that ...

   It was much too much at the time, too.  Save yourself a headache or
   heartache or whatever by avoiding the bloody details.

dan

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human powered vehicle:
= steph:
= > (an American breakfast cereal with neither grapes nor nuts)
=
= http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_147.html
=
= That Cecil can be a hoot.
=

actually, that was the inspiration

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> >See the archives Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:17:31. Natalie's message.
>
> Well, thanks - though that does not explain much.
>
> (I know of course that context is all.)

You can click "previous message" and "next message". Actually I found
out quite recently how it worked. When you read messages in the archives
sorted by dates, then you cannot do it. When you search the archives --
with words, for example, taken from the very Natalie's msg, then you are
given only one message at once, together with optional "previous" and
"next". (Maybe you knew it long ago?)

Several threads on food (soup, and dinner, and what more) will give more
of the context.

Kristin

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=
= Are there different kinds of (breakfast) cereal, then? For I thought it

Oh yeah.  Corn Flakes, Rice Crispies, Wheaties and Cap'n Crunch.
Raisin Bran, Lucky Charms, Golden Grahams.  Cheerios.
Cocoa Puffs.  Chex, Kaboom, Frosted Flakes, Apple Jacks, Fruit
Loops, Alpha Bits.  Sugar Smacks!

and those are just some of the ones I ate as a kid

(and Grape Nuts)

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= have become popular here, too, and we also have "a very special mix" of our
= own -- one of the few traditional Estonian foods eaten and enjoyed nowadays
= which I think most other people would look at very suspiciously.
=
= Kristin

What's in it?

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> > Others have left and we have moved on.
>
>The others were not the heart of the list.
>Karen

Nipper was.  Or maybe he was a different organ, but very important, on the
list.


bonnie

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= >
= >The others were not the heart of the list.
= >Karen
=
= Nipper was.  Or maybe he was a different organ, but very important, on the
= list.
=

get over it!

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steph, the serial poster:
>Alpha Bits.

PETER:  My Alpha Bits are spelling out
        a message!  It says, "OOOOOO"!
BRIAN:  Peter, those are Cheerios.

--
Richard       "a waste of our existence", eh?

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steph wrote:

> = have become popular here, too, and we also have "a very special mix" of our
> = own -- one of the few traditional Estonian foods eaten and enjoyed nowadays
> = which I think most other people would look at very suspiciously.
> =
> = Kristin
>
> What's in it?

What may make it strange for those who have not eaten it earlier is that it is a
coarse meal or flour, not flakes or grains or pieces of grains. Meal of peas and
barley are two ingredients I can remember, maybe rhy, too. But there must be some
other cereal meals in it. It is good with some kind of soured milk, but I do not
think I'd like it without sugar. I must add at least little of it. And it is hard
to imagine fruit added to it. "Kama" it is called.

I have never been a big fan of it, but many are.

Kristin

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>Several threads on food (soup, and dinner, and what more) will give more
>of the context.

Thanks, Kristin - I saw that possibility, but decided that life is too
short ....

Bethany

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Kristin:
> it is a coarse meal or flour, not flakes or grains or pieces of grains.

Cream of Wheat.  Or grits, maybe.

Do you eat it hot?

--
Richard       "a waste of our existence", eh?

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6/9/2003, 10:11 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>See the archives Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:17:31. Natalie's message.

BKD> Well, thanks - though that does not explain much.

BKD> (I know of course that context is all.)

   Well, the context would require reading about two days worth of
   messages.

dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:22 PM
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>6/9/2003, 10:11 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>>>See the archives Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:17:31. Natalie's message.
>
>BKD> Well, thanks - though that does not explain much.
>
>BKD> (I know of course that context is all.)
>
>   Well, the context would require reading about two days worth of
>   messages.
>
>dan
>

Or email Natalie, and get her side of the whole thing.


alec

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Kristin:
> > it is a coarse meal or flour, not flakes or grains or pieces of grains.
>
> Cream of Wheat.  Or grits, maybe.

I guess it is finer than grits. Flour, but coarse.

As to Cream of wheat -- no, I even think there's no wheat in it. Nothing
creamy about it. It is not whipped up or anything. One will just take a cup
of some sour milk beverage, adds some teaspoonfuls of that flour and some
sugar in it, and mixes well with a spoon. And then either drinks or eats it,
depending on how much flour is there in the cup.

> Do you eat it hot?

No, only cold.

It is written on the package that one may eat it with fresh milk, too, but
I've never seen anybody doing that. These two just don't match.

Kristin

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human powered vehicle:
= steph, the serial poster:
= >Alpha Bits.
=
= PETER:  My Alpha Bits are spelling out
=         a message!  It says, "OOOOOO"!
= BRIAN:  Peter, those are Cheerios.
=

ha ha!
I forgot.  Every once in a while someone in the office tries to
get someone else to do something, something that they're
obviously not going to do and I holler across the conversation,
"He won'eadit.  He hates everything!"  And they all look at me
weird.

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Can I still order?  Large, please.

Sharon

On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

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> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
> >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:06 AM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: fest shirts
> >
> >
> >Bonniemaev wrote:
> >
> >> I now have orders for 21 shirts.  Anyone else out there?  I
> >think we might
> >> get a price break if we go over 25.
> >
> >Me!
> >
> >Size M, please.
> >
> >But we must talk about exactly how I'll pay. How will Espen?
> >Or anybody who
> >hadn't got an account in a bank of the US? Cheque? If a money
> >order, then
> >which kind (some are *very* slow, others may have their own
> >weak points...)?
> >Well, it's not hard to come to an agreement of some kind. I'll
> >deal more with
> >mail after some hours.
> >
> >Kristin
> >
>
> Credit card- Use a payment service like Yahoo. I imagine you have a
> Mastercard or Visa.
>
>
> alec
>

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> >
> > Did you know you are whining?
>
> I may accept this. But I wait with it.

"admit (that I'm whining)", instead of "accept". I thought I inevitably must
correct it, otherwise it might be read all wrong compared to what I meant.

Sorry, those who read it.

Kristin

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>> > Others have left and we have moved on.
>>
>>The others were not the heart of the list.
>>Karen
>
> Nipper was.  Or maybe he was a different organ, but very important, on
> the list.

I didn't lose anything when he left.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:35 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>I have a friend who wants to subscribe to words-l, and she's sent
>a message to listserv@listserv.uga.edu, but she's received no
>response.  Is the list closed to subscriptions at present?
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>
>There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
>which the windows are covered with black paint.
>

Have her try again. Works for me.


alec

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 12:50:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

<<
Have her try again. Works for me.

>>

ok, will do.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.

:)

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
>
> :)

Good news! How does she feel?

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:54 PM
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>
>
>She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
>
>:)
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>
>There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
>which the windows are covered with black paint.
>

Excellent news. Tell her to keep on fighting.


alec

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 12:58:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
Excellent news. Tell her to keep on fighting.


>>

I'll tell her; thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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;-)  That's positive...


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> She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
>
> :)
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
>
> There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
> which the windows are covered with black paint.

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 12:58:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Good news! How does she feel?

>>

Right now she's not feeling well; the cool, wet weather has been making
her feel weak.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 1:05:10 PM Central Daylight Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:

<<
;-)  That's positive...

>>

Her doctor is happy, and, while I wish it were totally gone, I will accept
this.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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> She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
>
> :)

YaY!

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Good news! How does she feel?
>
> >>
>
> Right now she's not feeling well; the cool, wet weather has been making
> her feel weak.

:( Hope for better days, then. The results of the test perhaps raised her
spirits at least.

Kristin

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Way to go!  I hope the progress continues!

BrP




> She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
>
> :)
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
>
> There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
> which the windows are covered with black paint.

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Gwynnie's party was a big success, and everybody had a great time.

Sorry to be posting about food on a <words> service, but here's what we end
up serving:

* edamame, in pods
* grapes, cut into clusters of 5-6
* strawberries (from Costco, and actually pretty tasty)
* cold cuts (ham, turkey) and sliced cheese
* no-crust white bread
* variety of crackers
* peanut butter, grape jelly, mustard

Pete

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Kaminski
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:19 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Party food
>
>
>Gwynnie's party was a big success, and everybody had a great time.
>
>Sorry to be posting about food on a <words> service, but
>here's what we end
>up serving:
>
>* edamame, in pods
>* grapes, cut into clusters of 5-6
>* strawberries (from Costco, and actually pretty tasty)
>* cold cuts (ham, turkey) and sliced cheese
>* no-crust white bread
>* variety of crackers
>* peanut butter, grape jelly, mustard
>
>Pete
>

Sounds good. Did the kids find the edamame fun to eat? I like edamame,
although places around us serve it with too much salt.

alec

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6/9/2003, 12:18 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

PK> * edamame, in pods

     Lost me on that one.

dan

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Evelyn Duncan:
= She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
=
= :)
=

YaY!  That's great news.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:24 PM
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>
>
>6/9/2003, 12:18 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
>PK> * edamame, in pods
>
>     Lost me on that one.
>
>dan
>

Soybeans. I guess you don't do much Japanese food?


alec

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> >
> >PK> * edamame, in pods
> >
> >     Lost me on that one.
> >
> >dan
> >
>
> Soybeans. I guess you don't do much Japanese food?
>
>
> alec
>
> http://agsyst.wsu.edu/edamhome.htm


I didn't know what it was either.  Dan asked first, but only by seconds.

BrP

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Gwynnie's party was a big success, and everybody had a great time.
>
> Sorry to be posting about food on a <words> service,

In a way, you see, we may take it as a concise whtm :)

> but here's what we end
> up serving:
>
> * edamame, in pods
> * grapes, cut into clusters of 5-6
> * strawberries (from Costco, and actually pretty tasty)
> * cold cuts (ham, turkey) and sliced cheese
> * no-crust white bread
> * variety of crackers
> * peanut butter, grape jelly, mustard

Kristin

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6/9/2003, 12:27 PM, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:


ADP> Soybeans. I guess you don't do much Japanese food?

   I do fish.  I'm very allergic to soybeans.


dan

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>> >
>> >PK> * edamame, in pods
>> >
>> >     Lost me on that one.
>> >
>> >dan
>> >
>>
>> Soybeans. I guess you don't do much Japanese food?
>>
>>
>> alec
>>
>> http://agsyst.wsu.edu/edamhome.htm
>
>
> I didn't know what it was either.  Dan asked first, but only by seconds.

They are good to drink beer with.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Kristin writes,

>In a way, you see, we may take it as a concise whtm :)

I very nearly put that in the subject line, but then somebody would have
objected and said, "Hey, this ain't a WHTM, it's a food report!"

:)

Pete

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>Can I still order?  Large, please.
>Sharon

Mem was planning on ordering a few extras.  So you might be in luck.


bonnie

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Alec writes,

>Sounds good. Did the kids find the edamame fun to eat? I like edamame,
>although places around us serve it with too much salt.

They went over well, although it should be noted that about half the kids'
parents were natives of Asia.  OTOH, edamame is not too uncommon in
Northern California, and the kid who probably appreciated them most was a
12-month old of European descent.

Pete

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At 01:41 PM 6/6/2003 -1000, you wrote:
>On 6 Jun 2003 at 21:22, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > But Natale's not given to fits of pique. She usually stays and fights it
> > out on list (and keeps going longer than others).
>
>Can I be the only one who has detected--or thought he has detected--
>in Natalie a growing emotional fragility over the last six months
>or so? It isn't hard to understand why that might be so. There is
>only one thing I can say with certainty, though: She would deny it.

  No MEM, you're not the only one who's noticed a change in Natalie.

lisa
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At 07:47 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>I think it is important that you know I have touched Jason Kidd's knee. He
>was very obedient and did exactly as I instructed.  That's as it should be.
>(Or I would have slapped him.)
>
>BB

You should have punched him in the face and said, "this one's for your wife".

lisa

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At 08:39 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>I hate that Sammy is mentioned in the same sentence as Martha.
>
>B

It was worse here. Sammy, Martha and Hillary.

lisa

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> * no-crust white bread

    Did you do this the old-fashioned way, or buy the crustless?

JMW

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= >
= > Soybeans. I guess you don't do much Japanese food?
= >
= >
= > alec
= >
= > http://agsyst.wsu.edu/edamhome.htm
=
=
= I didn't know what it was either.  Dan asked first, but only by seconds.
=
= BrP

But we've done it here on the list, which is the only reason I
know what it is!

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At 03:39 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 08:39 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>I hate that Sammy is mentioned in the same sentence as Martha.
>>
>>B
>
>It was worse here. Sammy, Martha and Hillary.

Bring back Peter, Paul, and Mary.

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 1:10:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
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YaY!

>>

Thanks!  Now that the weather is getting warmer maybe her spirits will pick
up!

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 6/9/2003 1:13:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
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:( Hope for better days, then. The results of the test perhaps raised her
spirits at least.

>>

I hope so!  Maybe the warmer weather will help.  I'm trying to think of
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Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 6/9/2003 1:14:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Way to go!  I hope the progress continues!

>>

Thanks!  She'll be going back in a few weeks for tests; I'm wondering if
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Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 6/9/2003 1:26:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
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YaY!  That's great news.

>>

Thanks!  I wish I could think of something to build up her system.
All she does anymore is to watch Fox News.

Evelyn Duncan
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Evelyn Duncan:
= In a message dated 6/9/2003 1:26:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
= stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
=
= <<
= YaY!  That's great news.
=
= >>
=
= Thanks!  I wish I could think of something to build up her system.
= All she does anymore is to watch Fox News.
=

That'll get anybody down.  Is there someplace nearby that you can
sit outside when the weather is good?  Getting out usually makes
me feel better.

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6/9/2003, 2:24 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

ED> Thanks!  I wish I could think of something to build up her system.
ED> All she does anymore is to watch Fox News.

What does the doctor recommend.  There are various things like Ensure
that load up with calories and vitamins, and also drugs now that are
supposed to help strengthen chemo patients.

dan

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>Is this funny or what.  Natalie leaves after a messy food fight, and now
the list has become a frikkin -food- list.

>Ann

Well -- make the topic "tippling" then! Hell, we can even make it "Les
Fleurs du Mal" list!

AS

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At 03:38 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 07:47 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>>I think it is important that you know I have touched Jason Kidd's knee. He
>>was very obedient and did exactly as I instructed.  That's as it should be.
>>(Or I would have slapped him.)
>>
>>BB
>
>You should have punched him in the face and said, "this one's for your wife".
>
>lisa

This was before marriage.  Had I known. . . . .

Betty

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John Williams writes,

>     Did you do this the old-fashioned way, or buy the crustless?

Happened to notice the crustless, and bought it -- otherwise, we would have
just gone with regular bread.

Pete

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 3:49:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<<
That'll get anybody down.  Is there someplace nearby that you can
sit outside when the weather is good?  Getting out usually makes
me feel better.

>>

not really.  the nearest free park is a little too far away for her to walk
to.
if i'm off wednesday, i'm planning on taking her on the bus to the mall.
we can't get to her doctor on the bus, but we can still get to the mall.
(tom took her to the doctor today, in case you were wondering how she
got there.)

Evelyn

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 3:49:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

<<
What does the doctor recommend.  There are various things like Ensure
that load up with calories and vitamins, and also drugs now that are
supposed to help strengthen chemo patients.

>>

I know about Ensure; Mom complains about the cost, and I've bought
her the Wal-Mart version, but this is the woman who eats two spoonfuls
of baked beans and two of macaroni salad and declares herself full.
As far as drugs, she already takes over half-a-dozen:  from diruetics
to potassium to low-strength aspirin to acid-reducers.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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Subject: I quit
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I quit my 2nd contract, the one that was eating up all my spare time. I
finally couldn't take it any more. The contract agent (who got my other
gig for me, too, so she's still making money off me) was relatively
understanding, and said "You just ran out of day, didn't you?"

I like this expression very much and am delighted to live in Texas where
people still know how to talk.

Of course, this means I don't have to have my horns melted down.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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At 02:47 PM 6/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I quit my 2nd contract, the one that was eating up all my spare time. I
>finally couldn't take it any more. The contract agent (who got my other
>gig for me, too, so she's still making money off me) was relatively
>understanding, and said "You just ran out of day, didn't you?"

Did you consider sub contracting?  :-)

Betty

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Marie Ascher wrote:



> There were over a hundred. Maybe more than any other dog, it seemed which I thought was interesting. Or maybe I was just there when all the vizsla action was going on.
>


Sounds like they combined their specialty with an all-breed
show.  A friend of mine has a litter on the ground right now
-- they're a week old.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> She got the results back; the tumor has shrunk in half.
>
> :)
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
>

Wonderful news, Evelyn!

Terry

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 6:39:27 PM Central Daylight Time, twild@URI.EDU
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<<
Wonderful news, Evelyn!

>>

Thanks!

Evelyn

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Evelyn, my mother had great difficulty getting down enough
nutrients/calories for a long time after her 2 surgeries. We use Ensure
and such products. Also she makes puddings to which she sometimes adds
protein powder (I gave her an enormous container of it). She also likes
tomato soup with lots of cheese added, etc. It was important for us to
figure out ways she could have foods she liked - not just things that
were "good for her."

Also, the milk shake made with the richest possible ice cream is a winner.

Eventually, the challenge of trying to reach new weight goals helped -
she is very competitive.

Bethany

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In a message dated 6/9/2003 7:04:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<<
Also she makes puddings to which she sometimes adds
protein powder (I gave her an enormous container of it).
>>

What's a good protein powder?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
which the windows are covered with black paint.

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Well -- make the topic "tippling" then! Hell, we can even make it "Les
> Fleurs du Mal" list!

There problably is a Fleurs du Mal list somewhere, hypocrite lecteur, mon
semblable, mon frere (change genders to suit)

This list was probably started in 1993 and has averaged one post per year
since 1995.

Ann

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As far as I can tell, someone (alec?) suggested - in what context, I do
not know - that some individuals have left words-l because of Natalie.
Later, someone else - Dan - offered himself as an example of someone who
has taken <sabbaticals> (not Dan's language, I suspect) from words-l
because of Natalie.

If these things are approximately true, then it seems to me that Natalie
has made a large contribution that has not perhaps been fully
acknowledged. We all need to move, leave, go away, take sabbaticals from
things from time to time. Most of us need an excuse for them. Natalie
provides one for some individuals. Cool. And perhaps Dan provided one for
Natalie. And let's see - it is also interesting that Natalie believed Dan.
And that Dan assumes that he knows why he takes sabbaticals.

What do I mean? Just that we often do things and only later figure out the
real reasons for our actions.

Okay, maybe that's far-fetched. Maybe this is really what I first thought,
just a family squabble. Everybody gets tired of everybody else
occasionally.

Where will you be on your sabbatical, Natalie?

(And where will I be on mine, I wonder?)

Bethany

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>What's a good protein powder?

I use whatever seems best at GNC on a given day - they run excellent
specials, occasionally, Right now I am using GNC Pro Performance 100% Whey
Protein (no aspartame). 1/3 c. contains 120 cal, 1.5 g fat, 21 g protein,
etc. And that's what I gave my mother - 3.77 lbs. of it.

Bethany

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The Omni Wm. Penn Hotel was very satisfactory except for two things - the
ridiculously high charge for internet access and the fact that nowhere in
the hotel was I able to purchase a piece of fresh fruit - not an apple,
not a banana, not an orange - unless one ordered a $9.95 fruit plate or
something.

I liked everything else about the hotel, especially the bagel shop. I had
an enormous room - very satisfactory.

Also, the hotel provided complimentary workout kits to be used in one's
room. The kit contained an exercise mat, 2 3-lb weights, various
resistance bands and tubes, for various part of the bod, a towel,
a bottle of mineral water, and an instruction manual for the resistance
bands and tubes. The kit is light enough that it is not a nuisance to
carry and comprehensive enough that it will do nicely for a few days'
exercise - especially if supplemented by walking and/or swimming, one of
which at least I can normally do on trips.

When I signed for one, I was warned not to take it with me or I would be
charged $100. I liked the kit so much that I considered taking it and
cheerfully paying $100 for one. But I decided I could beat the price by
putting my own kit together. So today, I picked up the items I did not
already own. I will keep the kit in my vehicle and take it on trips with
me - its first jaunt will be to the Abbey of Gethsemani next week. (I
already had a bag, and I spent about $20 to get a mat and some bands and
tubes. I will add more later.)

Bethany

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Bethany writes,

>So today, I picked up the items I did not already own. I will keep the kit
>in my vehicle and take it on trips with me

Cool. :)

Nearly apropos, a page I looked up recently detailing the most (and least)
effective abdominal exercises:

<http://acefitness.org/getfit/abstudy_index.cfm>

Pete

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Nearly apropos, a page I looked up recently detailing the most (and least)
>effective abdominal exercises:
>
><http://acefitness.org/getfit/abstudy_index.cfm>

Also cool. I have printed out the abs. I am still developing a program
with which to use my new equipment.

Thanks,
Bethany

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:34:48 -0500
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Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 08:34 PM 6/9/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.

You can play HORSE with Ana!

Betty

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> There is life with depression, but it's like living in a room in
> which the windows are covered with black paint.

This is really starting to depress me...

Marie
  Go Devils! One period to go...

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From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Marie:
> >I won't ever (never really that good a skater, actually), but
> >they already had. We have a framed 11X16 picture of us touching it.
>
> That was (is) a great picture even though you're wearing the dreaded
> red jersey.

Actually, I'm wearing a white practice jersey in that picture. I have a <real> white (home) jersey too.

Marie

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>Marie
>   Go Devils! One period to go...

I loved your photo!

Betty

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'Strategic Air Command ... on Modern Marvels - 'History Channel...

"... probably as an effective a military enterprise, if you will, that the
world has ever known..."
-Brent Scowcroft

'Al

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I passed the message on verbally.  It doesn't come on until 10 p.m. here.

B

At 10:19 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
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>
>"... probably as an effective a military enterprise, if you will, that the
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>
>'Al

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The Devils did it.

Betty

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Hey Natalie - on Saturday evening, somewhat tired and not planning to
participate in the 9-11 dinner dance, I wandered down to the Tap Room in
the hotel to have a bit of dinner. Soon, I was joined by a conf. goer I
had met that afternoon, then soon another one. The latter one was from San
Antonio - and had been a student of our friend Guy Bailey! It's a tiny,
tiny world, ain't it?

Bethany

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face="Arial"><b>http://www.messiah.comes.de.ms</b></font></a></p><p align="center" style="text-align:center"><font face="Arial"><b>Signs
from God. The Messiah comes. We have the end of the World</b></font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Signs from God. The Messiah comes.
We have the end of the World and already 3th World war. The
Mankind faces the Doom and as well the biggest ever experienced
Holocaust. Each second Humanbeing ends up in the Pond of Fire. If
the Messiah is not coming now (Jesus Christ, Son of God, King of
the Jews), God will come as Devil-and Germany brought the entire
Mankind into Hell. Owing to the Brandenburger Nazigate in Berlin
every Human will be punished as hard as Adolf Hitler. That means
Hell forever:Final Solution (Endloesung)</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Everyone who doesn't call Mankind
into Paradise has got at least the same much Guilt and Dirt at
putting like Adolf Hitler an will be punished just as hard. The
USA was sworn in to the Bible and is liable with the Final
Solution (Endloesung) Death on the Cross forever-</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">The one who supports Wholesole
murderers and Traitors- like especially the USA and other
Countries did towards Germany-will be executed as Wholesale
murderers and Traitors and sent to the Pond of Fire. Laughing
Third Persons are even hardest punished by God</font><font
size="2">.</font></p><p align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="2"><img
src="http://home.t-online.de/home/520017418617/image004.jpg"
width="293" height="365" id="_x0000_i1026"></font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Since the USA bombed the Cradle of
Mankind (The Gulf-War USA and Irak),is the entire Mankind
condemned to Hell.When God`s Children are getting bombed,pays the
Mankind with the Eternal Penalty. That includes also the USA. The
Iraq is the Cradle of&nbsp;Mankind,&nbsp;Tigris Euphrat the
Beginning of the Bible. Adam and Eve. The one who`s the
Worldpower Number 1- as it happens to the USA-has got the Main
Responsibility for the whole Mankind and is liable now even with
the Final Solution. Death at the Cross- Hell forever.</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">If the USA belief that they could
make War on their own account- then they have to count with the
eternal Punishment. The USA bombed once before the Cradle of
Mankind (1991 Irak) and is already condemned to Hell. But for to
make a War needs the USA the Permission of God himself. Which
will never be granted.</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">The Brandenburger Nazigate in
Berlin is the Hellgate of Mankind and must be pulled down
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src="http://home.t-online.de/home/520017418617/image005.gif"
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Brandenburger Nazigate Got to Devil-Germany is therefore Nation
of Kain and High Treason and brought the entire Mankind into Doom.</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Germany has got the Worldpower to
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in Berlin is not pulled down immediately and if there will hot be
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don't come into Hell completely in because the reunion of Nazi-Germany.
Who Protects Wholesale murderers and High Traitors like the USA
did for Decades, will be executed as Wholesale murderer and as
one guilty of High Treason and ends up in the Pond of Fire. The
USA raised Nazi-Germany and is liable now for the reunited Nazi-Germany.
Germany made an Oath to God and the Leader of the Nazis. That
means everything what Germany does falls back to God-Germany
caused with that its own Sentence. Which is Death on the Cross
and Hell forever. That is now reputed even for entire Mankind. If
it would be up to Germany the Mankind would be in Hell already
and lost forever. Hence The Mankind must be called now into
Paradise. Before a War even takes Place. Anything else means
Wholesale murder and High Treason. The condemnation for that is
Hell forever.</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">The USA have got now the Main
responsibility for the entire Mankind, and with it also for
Germany. The one with the biggest Power must also account for it
to God. So the USA is liable for the Final Solution Death on the
Cross Hell forever.<b>Jesus Christ is a Diamond,is our Redeemer-can
release us from the Guilt and save entire Mankind from Downfall.</b></font></p><p align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="2"
face="Arial">Sign from God is no Advertising,but a Message and is
reputed for entire Mankind.</font></p><p align="center" style="text-align:center"><a
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is the last Key to Paradise and has to be spread Worldwide,becouse
Mankind faces the last Judgement and &nbsp;is threatened to leave
the Earth.Sign from God is the Salvation.</font></p><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Everyone who doesn't call Mankind
into Paradise has got at least the same much Guilt and Dirt at
putting like Adolf Hitler an will be punished just as hard. That
means Hell forever:Final Solution (Endloesung)</font></p><p align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="2"
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Back to the Devils in a second (woo-ee!):

I had a really good hour-long conversation on the phone with the breeder today. We hit it off well -- I've always done the "interview" thing well and that's the mindset with which I approached this. I did want to tell her that if she is 100% committed that those who buy her puppies <show> them that we weren't convinced that that was something that we are interested in, and that I wouldn't want to mislead. She seemed to appreciate my honesty, and said that that question (I filled out a questionnaire) is meant to best match a puppy with a home -- show-quality puppies to show-inclined people -- I said I'm fine with the puppy with the bent tail.

Anyway, apparently she's had many inquiries, but I asked her, so what if it's a small litter, and she seems sure that we'll get a puppy from her and that we sound like we'll give the puppy a very nice home.

Oh, and by the way, we're not even sure if "Nellie" is pregnant yet, so fingers crossed.

Marie

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Hey Natalie

I don't get it.  I guess you're assuming she reads the archives?

Could be right, of course, but I don't think you realize how deeply
offensive it is to assume that.

heh heh

Ann

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Couple of things:
1) woo-hoo!

2) Wordswise: The Devils as a "machine" who "manufactures" wins. Discuss.

3) John Madden -- straight out of central casting with that eye and those stitches.

4) Mama Niedermeyer is a sourpuss. Bad enough she decided to choose one son's team (quack!) over the other's but to not even smile when your other son hoists the trophy...lame

5) woo-hoo!

6) Looking forward to the future of that rookie, Rupp.

7) At the beginning of the season Lou Lamoriello called our house to talk to Bruce about some of the decisions he was making ... really, he personally called us -- because we didn't buy tickets this year and Bruce was kinda pissed about Bobby Holik going to the Rangers -- ha! we of little faith!

8) We never would have thought this would happen at the beginning of the season.

9) Labatt Blue is the beer of choice while watching hockey.

10) woo-hoo!

Marie

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> Sounds like they combined their specialty with an all-breed
> show.

Yes, exactly. That's what it was. Now I know since I talked to Patsy.

A friend of mine has a litter on the ground right now
> -- they're a week old.

Oh how sweet. Where are they?

Marie

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'cool...  'warmth...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> I passed the message on verbally.  It doesn't come on until 10 p.m. here.
>
> B
>
> At 10:19 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, Alan Wild wrote:
> >'Strategic Air Command ... on Modern Marvels - 'History Channel...
> >
> >"... probably as an effective a military enterprise, if you will, that
the
> >world has ever known..."
> >-Brent Scowcroft
> >
> >'Al

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Thanks. I'm very happy for them. You have to realize that this is such an amazing team -- not a team of individual egos. A truly great team. The opposite of the <Rangers>, for instance. (Let's see what injury-prone hotshot they end up with this year -- I hear LeClair, I hear Jagr?)

Marie

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> 9) Labatt Blue is the beer of choice while watching hockey.

"Labatt"--isn't there an s in there somewhere???

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Monday, June 9, 2003, 8:04:38 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Bethany writes,

>>So today, I picked up the items I did not already own. I will keep the kit
>>in my vehicle and take it on trips with me

> Cool. :)

The place I bought a bunch of equipment from (I think it's
fitnessonline.com) a long time ago sold nice beginning tubing kits. I
bought a PNF strap from them that I like so well that I wasn't tempted
to buy the tubing kit from them.

> Nearly apropos, a page I looked up recently detailing the most (and least)
> effective abdominal exercises:

> <http://acefitness.org/getfit/abstudy_index.cfm>

Pilates!

Karen

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Monday, June 9, 2003, 5:51:21 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
> At 02:47 PM 6/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>I quit my 2nd contract, the one that was eating up all my spare time. I
>>finally couldn't take it any more. The contract agent (who got my other
>>gig for me, too, so she's still making money off me) was relatively
>>understanding, and said "You just ran out of day, didn't you?"

> Did you consider sub contracting?  :-)

No. I couldn't think offhand of anyone who does that kind of writing,
and frankly, I was just eager to offload it. Now I'm eager to go to
sleep. Good night, BB, don't let the bed bugs bite!

Karen

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Ann Borkin writes,

>I don't get it.  I guess you're assuming she reads the archives?

Gotta read the headers -- she cc'ed it directly to Natalie.

Pete

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>9) Labatt Blue is the beer of choice while watching hockey.
>
>
>Marie


I went to a Division I hockey school and I will attest to that. (I remember
you could buy a case for about 5 bucks, which made it even better.)

Congratulations, Marie! The Devils were awesome.

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Marie Ascher wrote:


> A friend of mine has a litter on the ground right now
>
>>-- they're a week old.
>>
>
> Oh how sweet. Where are they?



        Here in the St. Louis area.  Val is very cool.  She
encouraged me a great deal with Vinnie when he was younger
and more insane.  She teaches obedience, etc., too.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>>I don't get it.  I guess you're assuming she reads the archives?
>
>Gotta read the headers -- she cc'ed it directly to Natalie.
>Pete

Then we can only assume that she cc words-l in order to piss off Alec.


bonnie

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6/9/2003, 6:19 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

ED> Also she makes puddings to which she sometimes adds
ED> protein powder (I gave her an enormous container of it).
>>>

ED> What's a good protein powder?

   I like Designer Whey.  Less expensive than many, tastes good. Comes
   in various flavors.  Mix it right and it is just like a milkshake.
   Really.   There are many good brands, though.  I use the whey
   based, as I'm allergic to soy products, but there are plenty of soy
   based for those who prefer them for some reason.

dan

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6/9/2003, 6:13 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> Later, someone else - Dan - offered himself as an example of someone who
BKD> has taken <sabbaticals> (not Dan's language, I suspect) from words-l
BKD> because of Natalie.

    I've indeed taken sabbaticals for various reasons at various
    times, but don't believe I ever said that I took one BECAUSE of
    any ONE person, Natalie or otherwise.  Sure, at times various
    folks have gotten under my skin, but never to the point of taking
    off because of any one person or incident.  Usually it has been
    because of needing more time to "get a life" of whatever sort at
    whatever time.  Sometimes because of pressures at work.  Other
    times just because I got tired of it all.

    And there are plenty of times when I've been receiving messages
    that I've deleted blocks of several hundred or a thousand at one
    swell foop because I didn't feel like reading them all.  Does that
    count as a 'mini-sabbatical'?  If so, I've taken LOTS of them.

dan

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Glad to know it isn't spam.  I guess if it really IS from the
almighty, that overrules any standard guidance as to what is spam.

dan

6/9/2003, 8:47 PM, The Messiah comes wrote:

TMc> THIS EMAIL IS NOT SPAM

TMc>

TMc> Sign from God
TMc> is the last Key to Paradise and has to be spread Worldwide,becouse
TMc> Mankind faces the last Judgement and  is threatened to leave
TMc> the Earth.Sign from God is the Salvation.

TMc> Everyone who doesn't call Mankind
TMc> into Paradise has got at least the same much Guilt and Dirt at
TMc> putting like Adolf Hitler an will be punished just as hard. That
TMc> means Hell forever:Final Solution (Endloesung)

TMc> Signed The Apostle Abraham cradle of mankind

TMc> Abraham3@directbox.com

TMc>

TMc>

TMc>






dan

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> Glad to know it isn't spam.  I guess if it really IS from the
> almighty, that overrules any standard guidance as to what is spam.
>
> dan
>
> 6/9/2003, 8:47 PM, The Messiah comes wrote:
>
> TMc> THIS EMAIL IS NOT SPAM
>
> TMc>
>
> TMc> Sign from God
> TMc> is the last Key to Paradise and has to be spread
Worldwide,becouse
> TMc> Mankind faces the last Judgement and  is threatened to leave
> TMc> the Earth.Sign from God is the Salvation.
>
> TMc> Everyone who doesn't call Mankind
> TMc> into Paradise has got at least the same much Guilt and Dirt at
> TMc> putting like Adolf Hitler an will be punished just as hard. That
> TMc> means Hell forever:Final Solution (Endloesung)
>
> TMc> Signed The Apostle Abraham cradle of mankind
>
> TMc> Abraham3@directbox.com

Look, if the Almighty wants to get into Words-L
he/she/it has to greatly improve it's use of the
English language.  We set the bar pretty high
and I see a number of sins being committed here.

                      - D. M.

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>
> Look, if the Almighty wants to get into Words-L
> he/she/it has to greatly improve it's use of the
> English language.  We set the bar pretty high
> and I see a number of sins being committed here.
>
>                       - D. M.

I have saved this one and printed it out. It's a classic.  I suspect it was babelfished from
the German but I also suspect that in the original language it was pretty much
incoherent as well.

BrP

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6/10/2003, 7:32 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
PRB> I have saved this one and printed it out. It's a classic.  I suspect it was babelfished
PRB> from
PRB> the German but I also suspect that in the original language it was pretty much
PRB> incoherent as well.

Language the same on the website, though could have babelfished that
too.  Domain is registered in Montserrat, but that proves nothing.

dan

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6/10/2003, 7:25 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> Look, if the Almighty wants to get into Words-L
DM> he/she/it has to greatly improve it's use of the
DM> English language.  We set the bar pretty high
DM> and I see a number of sins being committed here.

Hey, maybe S/He is just slumming, trying to get our attention.

Yeah, right.


dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:14 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: family squabble?
>
>
>As far as I can tell, someone (alec?) suggested - in what context, I do
>not know - that some individuals have left words-l because of Natalie.
>Later, someone else - Dan - offered himself as an example of
>someone who has taken <sabbaticals> (not Dan's language, I suspect) from
words-l
>because of Natalie.
>

Since context is everything, you need to look a day or more before she left,
to understand the whole discussion

>If these things are approximately true, then it seems to me
>that Natalie has made a large contribution that has not perhaps been fully
>acknowledged. We all need to move, leave, go away, take
>sabbaticals from things from time to time. Most of us need an excuse for
them. Natalie
>provides one for some individuals. Cool. And perhaps Dan
>provided one for Natalie. And let's see - it is also interesting that
Natalie
>believed Dan. And that Dan assumes that he knows why he takes sabbaticals.
>

I have never debated that Natalie was an integral part of words-l. She does
not provide an excuse, rather an active reason to not read the list. Her
mean treatment of Karen would be an example.

>What do I mean? Just that we often do things and only later
>figure out the real reasons for our actions.
>

I have not spoken on many occasions, this time I decided it was my time to
speak.

>Okay, maybe that's far-fetched. Maybe this is really what I
>first thought, just a family squabble. Everybody gets tired of everybody
else
>occasionally.
>
>Where will you be on your sabbatical, Natalie?
>
>(And where will I be on mine, I wonder?)
>
>Bethany
>

Alec

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At 06:49 AM 6/10/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>    I like Designer Whey.  Less expensive than many, tastes good. Comes
>    in various flavors.  Mix it right and it is just like a milkshake.
>    Really.   There are many good brands, though.  I use the whey
>    based, as I'm allergic to soy products, but there are plenty of soy
>    based for those who prefer them for some reason.

Upon reading this, I immediately reached for the Lactaid.  ;-->

cwv

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"Laughing Third Persons are even hardest punished by God."

My nomination for QOTW

BrP

He laughs.  She laughs.  It laughs.  They laugh.





> 6/10/2003, 7:32 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> PRB> I have saved this one and printed it out. It's a classic.  I suspect it was babelfished
> PRB> from
> PRB> the German but I also suspect that in the original language it was pretty much
> PRB> incoherent as well.
>
> Language the same on the website, though could have babelfished that
> too.  Domain is registered in Montserrat, but that proves nothing.
>
> dan

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02003-06-10 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
>
>     I've indeed taken sabbaticals for various reasons at various
>     times, but don't believe I ever said that I took one BECAUSE of
>     any ONE person, Natalie or otherwise.  Sure, at times various
>     folks have gotten under my skin, but never to the point of taking
>     off because of any one person or incident.  Usually it has been
>     because of needing more time to "get a life" of whatever sort at
>     whatever time.  Sometimes because of pressures at work.  Other
>     times just because I got tired of it all.
>
>     And there are plenty of times when I've been receiving messages
>     that I've deleted blocks of several hundred or a thousand at one
>     swell foop because I didn't feel like reading them all.  Does that
>     count as a 'mini-sabbatical'?  If so, I've taken LOTS of them.

This is the most boring and mundane post I have read for a while,
and this with the Drs Voigtlander on board! Could we all aim for
the "1% interesting" mark? Man ...

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> "Laughing Third Persons are even hardest punished by God."
>
> My nomination for QOTW
>
> BrP
>
> He laughs.  She laughs.  It laughs.  They laugh.
>

The Holy Laughing Trinity

           - D. M.
>
>
> > 6/10/2003, 7:32 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > PRB> I have saved this one and printed it out. It's a classic.  I
suspect it was babelfished
> > PRB> from
> > PRB> the German but I also suspect that in the original language it
was pretty much
> > PRB> incoherent as well.
> >
> > Language the same on the website, though could have babelfished that
> > too.  Domain is registered in Montserrat, but that proves nothing.
> >
> > dan
>

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At 10:33 AM 6/10/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>"Laughing Third Persons are even hardest punished by God."
>
>My nomination for QOTW
>
>
>He laughs.  She laughs.  It laughs.  They laugh.

Perhaps it should be:

He laughs.  She laughs.  It laughs.  They laugh.  ZAP!

cwv

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-10 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
= >
= >     I've indeed taken sabbaticals for various reasons at various
= >     times, but don't believe I ever said that I took one BECAUSE of
= >     any ONE person, Natalie or otherwise.  Sure, at times various
= >     folks have gotten under my skin, but never to the point of taking
= >     off because of any one person or incident.  Usually it has been
= >     because of needing more time to "get a life" of whatever sort at
= >     whatever time.  Sometimes because of pressures at work.  Other
= >     times just because I got tired of it all.
= >
= >     And there are plenty of times when I've been receiving messages
= >     that I've deleted blocks of several hundred or a thousand at one
= >     swell foop because I didn't feel like reading them all.  Does that
= >     count as a 'mini-sabbatical'?  If so, I've taken LOTS of them.
=
= This is the most boring and mundane post I have read for a while,
= and this with the Drs Voigtlander on board! Could we all aim for
= the "1% interesting" mark? Man ...

This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?

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02003-06-10 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> "Laughing Third Persons are even hardest punished by God."
>
> My nomination for QOTW
>
> BrP
>
> He laughs.  She laughs.  It laughs.  They laugh.

I once surfed over to a web-site which had signs you saw in
Japanese hotels. The translations were erroneous, probably
due to some imperfections in the babel technology, which
made them come out meaning something weird or stupid. Don't
remember examples but man that was a VERY FUNNY site! I
thanked my coworker Bob from Accounting for citing me the
web address.

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02003-06-10 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-10 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> = >
> = >     I've indeed taken sabbaticals for various reasons at various
> = >     times, but don't believe I ever said that I took one BECAUSE of
> = >     any ONE person, Natalie or otherwise.  Sure, at times various
> = >     folks have gotten under my skin, but never to the point of taking
> = >     off because of any one person or incident.  Usually it has been
> = >     because of needing more time to "get a life" of whatever sort at
> = >     whatever time.  Sometimes because of pressures at work.  Other
> = >     times just because I got tired of it all.
> = >
> = >     And there are plenty of times when I've been receiving messages
> = >     that I've deleted blocks of several hundred or a thousand at one
> = >     swell foop because I didn't feel like reading them all.  Does that
> = >     count as a 'mini-sabbatical'?  If so, I've taken LOTS of them.
> =
> = This is the most boring and mundane post I have read for a while,
> = and this with the Drs Voigtlander on board! Could we all aim for
> = the "1% interesting" mark? Man ...
>
> This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
> Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?

Why? It's only Dan, if I read it right ...

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At 06:51 AM 6/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Oh, I'd love that, too. I told the kids that I would love to do a cruise
>together as a family vacation. It sounds ideal to have your own room, no
>cooking, variety of things to do or not.
>
>Is this a working trip for your uncle?
>
>Betty

My mom has always wanted to gather the family for a holiday cruise. She's
been looking for a way to get out of cooking and figured a cruise would
entice people.

lisa

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>This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
>Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?

And where have you been lately, Tushar?  You missed the Great Natalie Exit.


bonnie

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Today, June 10, 2003, Toronto began issuing
valid marriage licenses to same-sex couples.



Ontario Appeal Court rules in favour of same-sex marriage

Canadian Press

Toronto — The right to marry should be extended to same-sex
couples, Ontario's Appeal Court ruled Tuesday in a decision
that effectively deems Canadian law on traditional marriage
unconstitutional.

"The existing common law definition of marriage violates the
couple's equality rights on the basis of sexual orientation
under [the charter]," the 61-page written ruling said.

The court also declared the current definition invalid and
demanded the law be changed. It ordered the clerk of the City
of Toronto to issue marriage licences to the same-sex couples
involved in the case.

The ruling came after a federal government lawyer argued that
marriage is a universal concept based on the union of man and
woman that cannot be extended to gay and lesbian couples.

Roslyn Levine, on behalf of the Attorney General of Canada,
said the concept of marriage has always been based on two
genders brought together, built on the ideals of children,
permanency and fidelity.

Ottawa was challenging a controversial lower court ruling that
said Canadian law is unconstitutional because it recognizes only
opposite-sex unions. Common law defines marriage as "the union
of one man and one woman" — a violation of the equality section
of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the divisional court said.

The court then gave the federal government two years to revamp
its laws, in effect clearing the way for same-sex marriage.

Ontario's Appeal Court decision joins court rulings in British
Columbia and Quebec that also back same-sex unions.

The British Columbia Court of Appeal said May 1 that governments
should recognize gay marriage when it overturned a British
Columbia Supreme Court ruling that said marriage should be
restricted to heterosexuals. It gave Ottawa until July 12, 2004
to change the law preventing gays and lesbians from marrying.

Justice Minister Martin Cauchon has until June 30 to ask the
Supreme Court of Canada to review the B.C. ruling or the decision
will stand.

A Quebec court has also backed same-sex marriage rights and asked
Ottawa to re-examine marriage laws.

An all-party committee is drafting a much-anticipated report on
how Parliament should handle the difficult social issue.

Polls indicate a slight majority of Canadians favour legalization
of same-sex marriages.

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> Today, June 10, 2003, Toronto began issuing
> valid marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

YaY!

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Today, June 10, 2003, Toronto began issuing
> > valid marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
>
> YaY!
>
> Karen
> "If I succeed at this,

You, too, Karen? At this? I didn't know... ;-)

Kristin

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Dan Lester writes,

>I've indeed taken sabbaticals for various reasons at various times, but
>don't believe I ever said that I took one BECAUSE of any ONE person,
>Natalie or otherwise.

Uh, Houston, we have a problem.  Here's Natalie's farewell message
(re-formatted for attribution, but otherwise verbatim):

Alec:

>After this discussion, I am understanding why many people have left
>Words-l.  They enter Maynor hell and try to fight their way out. It is a
>room with no logical exit. Pray for me! I am not leaving Words-l anytime
>soon, I just regret entering Maynor Hell. My own fault, I agree.

Dan:

>Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear for
>extended periods.

Natalie:

>Well, I certainly wish somebody had told me this before.  I seriously
>didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.  I care about
>Words-L and would not have consciously done such a thing.  The only moral
>thing I see at this point is to say adios.  Y'all have fun.

Sorry for the replay.  But...

Dan, while I can see that what you said wasn't necessarily referring to any
specific person, I can also see how Natalie might read that you were
specifically referring to her.

Pete

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Bonnie Mae writes,

>Then we can only assume that she cc words-l in order to piss off Alec.

Or Natalie.  'Twere I who left, I'd resent a cheery note trying to
insinuate me back onto the list.  Bethany's absence during the
unpleasantness would mitigate her insinuation a bit, so I'd only be
resentful instead of angry.

Pete

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At 06:53 AM 6/7/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 09:35 AM 6/7/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>>        I'm enjoying the idea that if Giggles were around right now,
>>>we might be able to convince him to go spank her for this
>>>naughty behavior :).           --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>>When I unsubbed in a snit a year or two after joining words-l, Brad called
>>me up on the phone and told me to resubscribe right that minute because the
>>longer you stay unsubbed after a snit, the harder it is to come back.  So I
>>did.
>
>I just mass delete people when I get in a snit and then go back later and
>read.
>
>B

I've never unsubbed in a snit. Part of the reason I've stuck w/ Words-l is
because I truly believed I could learn something from all the various
backgrounds represented.

Back in the early days I took some fairly hefty beatings. I'll admit now
that  I deserved some of the flames. There were of course some that were
over the top but still I refused to leave with my tail between my legs.

Any time I've unsubbed, it's been because I didn't have time to read the
list and I'd found myself deleting hundreds of messages at a time.

lisa

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At 10:56 AM 6/10/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 06:51 AM 6/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Oh, I'd love that, too. I told the kids that I would love to do a cruise
>>together as a family vacation. It sounds ideal to have your own room, no
>>cooking, variety of things to do or not.
>>
>>Is this a working trip for your uncle?
>>
>>Betty
>
>My mom has always wanted to gather the family for a holiday cruise. She's
>been looking for a way to get out of cooking and figured a cruise would
>entice people.
>
>lisa

I think it would be a great way to have a family reunion. One could just go
to one's room if one got ticked off.

Betty

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02003-06-10 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> I've never unsubbed in a snit. Part of the reason I've stuck w/ Words-l is
> because I truly believed I could learn something from all the various
> backgrounds represented.

Yet, you are still on the list.

> Back in the early days I took some fairly hefty beatings. I'll admit now
> that  I deserved some of the flames. There were of course some that were
> over the top but still I refused to leave with my tail between my legs.

Those were very lame flames.

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02003-06-10 | Bonniemaev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
> >Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?
>
> And where have you been lately, Tushar?  You missed the Great Natalie Exit.

I have been entertaining guests. All gone now *whew*. I have got
tons of food left over--anybody know the best way to dump it?

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:41 AM
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>02003-06-10 | Bonniemaev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
>> >This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
>> >Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?
>>
>> And where have you been lately, Tushar?  You missed the
>Great Natalie Exit.
>
>I have been entertaining guests. All gone now *whew*. I have got
>tons of food left over--anybody know the best way to dump it?
>

Mr. Samant, you are a funny evil man.


alec

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At 04:39 PM 6/10/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
>Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?

Lighten up, steph---all in all, it wasn't bad for a Rod McKuen wannabe.

cwv

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> Dan:
>
> >Hang in there Alec.  But it is one of the reasons I often disappear for
> >extended periods.
>
> Natalie:
>
>   I seriously
> >didn't realize that I was driving people away from the list.

> Sorry for the replay.  But...
>
> Dan, while I can see that what you said wasn't necessarily referring to any
> specific person, I can also see how Natalie might read that you were
> specifically referring to her.

Not only might, but she actually did. Now, although I do not like telling
people what they have to do, this is one of the cases I'd recommend Dan just to
say to Natalie that she wasn't the reason -- if this is as he said. How you do
it, Dan, is none of my business, but I'd like her to know, said by yourself,
for only then it'd have sense.

Kristin

>
>
> Pete

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:

>Then we can only assume that she cc words-l in order to piss off Alec.
>
>
>bonnie
>

Perhaps you are that limited, bonnie, but I don't think everyone on
words-l is. But I might be wrong, of course.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.

Lately I took my sons' old roller skates, made sure all screws were
fixed, and... there I went. Seeing images in my mind already how I start
skating to work -- light, skilled -- I still started indoors, skating to
and fro in the biggest room we have.

Then, on a Sunday, I had courage to go skating outside. Mmm, if I was
thinking a bit at the beginning how much people seeing my awkward moving
would giggle, soon I had so much trouble with getting on and keeping
myself from falling that I had no time for any other thoughts. It'll
take long before I can skate down the streets to the office -- literally
"down", btw.

Strange, I had the same type of roller skates when I was a child, and
the paths in our yard were certainly not better than those where I
skated on that Sunday, but my skating was so bad as if I had never put
on roller skates before.

Kristin

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clyde w. voigtlander:
= At 04:39 PM 6/10/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
=
= >This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
= >Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?
=
= Lighten up, steph---all in all, it wasn't bad for a Rod McKuen wannabe.
=
= cwv

Oh, was that what he was aiming for?

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>Strange, I had the same type of roller skates when I was a child, and
>the paths in our yard were certainly not better than those where I
>skated on that Sunday, but my skating was so bad as if I had never put
>on roller skates before.        --Kristin

When you are a child, you are much closer to the ground and not nearly so
fearful of falling.


bonnie

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= people what they have to do, this is one of the cases I'd recommend Dan just to
= say to Natalie that she wasn't the reason -- if this is as he said. How you do
= it, Dan, is none of my business, but I'd like her to know, said by yourself,
= for only then it'd have sense.
=
= Kristin
=

What makes you think that she would not just delete unread any
mail from Dan?

Besides, Natalie could really use a break from us whether she
knows it or not.

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >Strange, I had the same type of roller skates when I was a child, and
> >the paths in our yard were certainly not better than those where I
> >skated on that Sunday, but my skating was so bad as if I had never put
> >on roller skates before.        --Kristin
>
> When you are a child, you are much closer to the ground and not nearly so
> fearful of falling.

Yes, I felt that, too.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:19 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: family squabble?
>
>
>steph wrote:
>
>> What makes you think that she would not just delete unread any
>> mail from Dan?
>
>I do not know whether she would or not.
>
>> Besides, Natalie could really use a break from us whether she
>> knows it or not.
>
>Certainly. I hope she has some good time. I just thought that,
>well, we here may know
>what Dan meant, and Dan knows what he meant, but Natalie
>doesn't know, and Dan maybe
>doesn't know that Natalie doesn't know. That was why I
>recommended it. Then matters
>are more or less clear, and Natalie may decide whether she
>needs a break, or not --
>or, what is more important, I think, whether she ever wants to
>come back.
>
>Kristin
>

Kristin,

Email Natalie and ask her what her feelings are on the topic. She can ask
Dan, if she does not understand him. I think the topic is beat to death. I
will be addressing it as little as possible in the future.


alec

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Kristin,
>
> Email Natalie

Did long ago.

> and ask her what her feelings are on the topic.

Didn't ask, but got to know a bit. -- Yes, a tiny bit. Won't ask.

> She can ask
> Dan, if she does not understand him.

I am not the one who should say it to her.

Kristin

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steph wrote:

> What makes you think that she would not just delete unread any
> mail from Dan?

I do not know whether she would or not.

> Besides, Natalie could really use a break from us whether she
> knows it or not.

Certainly. I hope she has some good time. I just thought that, well, we here may know
what Dan meant, and Dan knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan maybe
doesn't know that Natalie doesn't know. That was why I recommended it. Then matters
are more or less clear, and Natalie may decide whether she needs a break, or not --
or, what is more important, I think, whether she ever wants to come back.

Kristin

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02003-06-10 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> clyde w. voigtlander:
> = At 04:39 PM 6/10/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> =
> = >This is the most boring and mundane reply I've read for a while.
> = >Don't you think you could do a little better, Tushy-baby?
> =
> = Lighten up, steph---all in all, it wasn't bad for a Rod McKuen wannabe.
>
> Oh, was that what he was aiming for?

<yawn>

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steph wrote:

> = people what they have to do, this is one of the cases I'd recommend Dan just to
> = say to Natalie that she wasn't the reason -- if this is as he said. How you do
> = it, Dan, is none of my business, but I'd like her to know, said by yourself,
> = for only then it'd have sense.
> =
> = Kristin
> =
>
> What makes you think that she would not just delete unread any
> mail from Dan?
>
> Besides, Natalie could really use a break from us whether she
> knows it or not.

Well, she might need a break from being called a mutant, but that
could be provided while still being a member of the community,
don't you think?

I don't think she would delete mail from anyone unread - unless
someone has experience of not being answered. I think that
Natalie sees the list as being an entity of importance, and feels
that she has injured it, somewhat like the feeling my dad felt
when he accidentally shut my finger in a car door and broke it.

clo

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There's a question hanging in my mind for some time. - You said some
time ago that you're interested in folklore, didn't you. I wanted to ask
-- which kind? of which periods and places? What have you read, or
studied closely, or written about concerning folklore? I couldn't find
anything on it at your homepage.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> > and ask her what her feelings are on the topic.
>
> Didn't ask, but got to know a bit. -- Yes, a tiny bit.

Actually, this bit could one get to know from her last message to the
list.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls. I need to make a call to
> London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20 55555555.  I
> know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is the country code.  I have
> seen London phone numbers written in the form 020 55555555.  My question is -
> after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?

Try both :-) I guess, nothing will happen when you dial wrong. It just doesn't fit with any
other country's code, I guess (and hope).

Kristin

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02003-06-10 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> I just thought that, well, we here may know what Dan meant, and Dan
> knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan maybe doesn't
> know that Natalie doesn't know.

That's an arresting thought. I confess I haven't followed the
crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other wordslers.
What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
my slow brain.

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I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls. I need to make a call to
London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20 55555555.  I
know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is the country code.  I have
seen London phone numbers written in the form 020 55555555.  My question is -
after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?

btw - this is a call to one of my newly discovered Barfoot cousins in London.  It's
quite an interesting story which I will tell here when I get the chance.


BrP

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On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 18:06, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > > Today, June 10, 2003, Toronto began issuing
> > > valid marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
> >
> > YaY!
> >
> > Karen
> > "If I succeed at this,
>
> You, too, Karen? At this? I didn't know... ;-)

Well I am "YaY!" too, but I'm not, you know... It's a matter of basic
rights and simple decency.

Gay couples will still have a very long way to go. There are various
other levels of government who can all kick up a fuss, e.g. the
immigration people who may well not feel themselves bound by a mere
appeal court ruling that municipal officials must issue marriage
licences. To say nothing of other countries' governments who may
choose not to accept Canadian documents on the matter (much as they
generally do not accept Canadian passports without a place of birth
listed).

Tony H.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-10 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > I just thought that, well, we here may know what Dan meant, and Dan
> > knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan maybe doesn't
> > know that Natalie doesn't know.
>
> That's an arresting thought. I confess I haven't followed the
> crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other wordslers.
> What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
> blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
> is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
> get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
> public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
> let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
> example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
> inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
> insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
> my slow brain.

Oh, pick me!
clo

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02003-06-10 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls. I need to make
> a call to London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20
> 55555555.  I know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is
> the country code.  I have seen London phone numbers written in the form
> 020 55555555.  My question is - after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?

Suppose by some incredible design decision both numbers are valid in
the UK ... don't you think it's worth a few seconds of international
calling to chance talking to someone even more interesting?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  I confess I haven't followed the
> crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other wordslers.
> What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
> blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
> is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
> get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
> public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
> let alone real property.

lol.

Still, I hope once you'll reveal how you benefitted :)

Kr.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls. I need to make a call to
> > London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20 55555555.  I
> > know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is the country code.  I have
> > seen London phone numbers written in the form 020 55555555.  My question is -
> > after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?

Mercy's number is 011 44 xxxx xxx xxx - 10 digits. Unless I
am losing count, "+44 20 55/555/555" - it's right as is.

clo

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At 07:08 PM 6/10/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>Oh, was that what he was aiming for?

Yeah---sorta his "listen to the warm" mode.

cwv

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> > "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > > I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls. I need to make a call to
> > > London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20 55555555.  I
> > > know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is the country code.  I have
> > > seen London phone numbers written in the form 020 55555555.  My question is -
> > > after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?
>
> Mercy's number is 011 44 xxxx xxx xxx - 10 digits. Unless I
> am losing count, "+44 20 55/555/555" - it's right as is.
>
> clo

oh duh - I should have thought to just ask you instead of the whole list.  It should
have occurred to me that you'd have experience dialing up a UK number.


:-)


BrP

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>
> oh duh - I should have thought to just ask you instead of the whole list.  It should
> have occurred to me that you'd have experience dialing up a UK number.
>
>
> :-)
>
>
> BrP

oh, and thank you

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Tony Harminc wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 18:06, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > > YaY!
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > "If I succeed at this,
> >
> > You, too, Karen? At this? I didn't know... ;-)
>
> Well I am "YaY!" too, but I'm not, you know... It's a matter of basic
> rights and simple decency.

Sorrrrrrry! This "you, too" was a reaction to Karen's sig "If I succeed
at this...". Must I be more cautious?

> Gay couples will still have a very long way to go. There are various
> other levels of government who can all kick up a fuss, e.g. the
> immigration people who may well not feel themselves bound by a mere
> appeal court ruling that municipal officials must issue marriage
> licences. To say nothing of other countries' governments who may
> choose not to accept Canadian documents on the matter (much as they
> generally do not accept Canadian passports without a place of birth
> listed).

Yes.

Kristin

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> Well I am "YaY!" too, but I'm not, you know... It's a matter of basic
> rights and simple decency.
>
> Gay couples will still have a very long way to go. There are various
> other levels of government who can all kick up a fuss, e.g. the
> immigration people who may well not feel themselves bound by a mere
> appeal court ruling that municipal officials must issue marriage
> licences. To say nothing of other countries' governments who may
> choose not to accept Canadian documents on the matter (much as they
> generally do not accept Canadian passports without a place of birth
> listed).
>
> Tony H.

It's another step - and another court ruling directing Parliament to legislate a
permanent solution to the question.  The US weighed in on Canada's
decriminalization of marijuana discussion.  I wonder what Ashcroft et al. will say on
this issue.

BrP

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> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 18:06, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>> > > Today, June 10, 2003, Toronto began issuing
>> > > valid marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
>> >
>> > YaY!
>> >
>> > Karen
>> > "If I succeed at this,
>>
>> You, too, Karen? At this? I didn't know... ;-)
>
> Well I am "YaY!" too, but I'm not, you know... It's a matter of basic
> rights and simple decency.

Yes.

Kristin, my sig is mostly about getting through today....

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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02003-06-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-10 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > > I just thought that, well, we here may know what Dan meant, and Dan
> > > knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan maybe doesn't
> > > know that Natalie doesn't know.
> >
> > That's an arresting thought. I confess I haven't followed the
> > crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other wordslers.
> > What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
> > blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
> > is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
> > get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
> > public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
> > let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> > have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
> > example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
> > inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
> > insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
> > my slow brain.
>
> Oh, pick me!

Hm, I guess Alec can rest easy--ethically, butt-kissing is inferior
even to his assholism.

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>
>02003-06-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-06-10 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
>> > > I just thought that, well, we here may know what Dan
>meant, and Dan
>> > > knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan
>maybe doesn't
>> > > know that Natalie doesn't know.
>> >
>> > That's an arresting thought. I confess I haven't followed the
>> > crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other wordslers.
>> > What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
>> > blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
>> > is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
>> > get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
>> > public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
>> > let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
>> > have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
>> > example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
>> > inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
>> > insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
>> > my slow brain.
>>
>> Oh, pick me!
>
>Hm, I guess Alec can rest easy--ethically, butt-kissing is inferior
>even to his assholism.
>

Yay! Thanks my bald brother.

alec

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I quit my 2nd contract, the one that was eating up all my spare time. I
> finally couldn't take it any more. The contract agent (who got my other
> gig for me, too, so she's still making money off me) was relatively
> understanding, and said "You just ran out of day, didn't you?"
>
> I like this expression very much and am delighted to live in Texas where
> people still know how to talk.

and:

>Kristin, my sig is mostly about getting through today....

I read about your quitting, yes. And didn't actually know how to react. You
are not feeling very good about it, I may guess, but it is not bad news
either, are they?

Kristin

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If anyone is interested in detail, the entire text of the Ontario Court of Appeal ruling
can be found at:

http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decisions/2003/june/halpernC39172.htm


BrP

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> I quit my 2nd contract, the one that was eating up all my spare time.
>> I finally couldn't take it any more. The contract agent (who got my
>> other gig for me, too, so she's still making money off me) was
>> relatively understanding, and said "You just ran out of day, didn't
>> you?"
>>
>> I like this expression very much and am delighted to live in Texas
>> where people still know how to talk.
>
> and:
>
>>Kristin, my sig is mostly about getting through today....
>
> I read about your quitting, yes. And didn't actually know how to react.
> You are not feeling very good about it, I may guess, but it is not bad
> news either, are they?

I feel good about quitting my second job; it was clearly the right thing
to do. There's not really a monetary loss involved, because my day job
said that I can work as many hours as I want before the end of this month.
Yesterday I worked 9.5 hours. Today, I suspect I'll barely make 8, but I'm
dog-tired. I plan to go to bed early and wake up early and work at least
10 hours every day the rest of this week.

That may not sound like a big deal to most of you, but after not working
for so long, it's stressful.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:25 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: family squabble?
> >
> >
> >02003-06-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > 02003-06-10 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> >> > > I just thought that, well, we here may know what Dan
> >meant, and Dan
> >> > > knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan
> >maybe doesn't
> >> > > know that Natalie doesn't know.
> >> >
> >> > That's an arresting thought. I confess I haven't followed the
> >> > crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other wordslers.
> >> > What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
> >> > blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
> >> > is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
> >> > get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
> >> > public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
> >> > let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> >> > have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
> >> > example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
> >> > inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
> >> > insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
> >> > my slow brain.
> >>
> >> Oh, pick me!
> >
> >Hm, I guess Alec can rest easy--ethically, butt-kissing is inferior
> >even to his assholism.
> >
>
> Yay! Thanks my bald brother.
>
> alec

Alec,
I am saddened by this failure to recognize my heroic
sacrifice, throwing myself on the tracks to stop the train.
Words can't express the disappointment.
To think I waved in your general direction and thought
kind packing thoughts this weekend.

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> said that I can work as many hours as I want before the end of this month.
> Yesterday I worked 9.5 hours. Today, I suspect I'll barely make 8, but I'm
> dog-tired. I plan to go to bed early and wake up early and work at least
> 10 hours every day the rest of this week.
>
> That may not sound like a big deal to most of you, but after not working
> for so long, it's stressful.

I does sound a big deal. Depending on a work and all, but 10 hours on several
days following each other is tough. Try to get good rest before the new week
begins, at least. There are several weeks to go this month yet.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carolyn Ostrander
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:56 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: family squabble?
>
>
>"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: English Language Discussion Group
>> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:25 PM
>> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: family squabble?
>> >
>> >
>> >02003-06-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> >> Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> > 02003-06-10 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
>> >> > > I just thought that, well, we here may know what Dan
>> >meant, and Dan
>> >> > > knows what he meant, but Natalie doesn't know, and Dan
>> >maybe doesn't
>> >> > > know that Natalie doesn't know.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's an arresting thought. I confess I haven't followed the
>> >> > crisis with the same nicety of attention as some other
>wordslers.
>> >> > What I'm most interested in is: can I accuse and cuss out a few
>> >> > blameworthy people RIGHT NOW, with total impunity? Because this
>> >> > is exactly the time to settle unrelated personal scores and also
>> >> > get some moral jollies. If you don't benefit privately from a
>> >> > public crisis, boy you are an idiot--undeserving of even a blog,
>> >> > let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
>> >> > have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
>> >> > example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
>> >> > inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
>> >> > insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
>> >> > my slow brain.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, pick me!
>> >
>> >Hm, I guess Alec can rest easy--ethically, butt-kissing is inferior
>> >even to his assholism.
>> >
>>
>> Yay! Thanks my bald brother.
>>
>> alec
>
>Alec,
>I am saddened by this failure to recognize my heroic
>sacrifice, throwing myself on the tracks to stop the train.
>Words can't express the disappointment.
>To think I waved in your general direction and thought
>kind packing thoughts this weekend.
>
>clo
>

I saw it as Tushar making a joke, I was responding the way I usually respond
to Tushar. Thanks for trying to take the attention away from me. Thanks for
the kinds thoughts:)


alec

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for

I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
Natalie!

Arresting thought, huh.

Ann

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Tushar wrote:
> >>>>>>It must
> >> >> > have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
> >> >> > example, I'd like to call him an arsehole who inhabits a vastly
> >> >> > inferior ethical universe than I do. PS: I'll be posting further
> >> >> > insults in a noble tone of controlled outrage, as they form in
> >> >> > my slow brain.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, pick me!
> >> >
> >> >Hm, I guess Alec can rest easy--ethically, butt-kissing is inferior
> >> >even to his assholism.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yay! Thanks my bald brother.
> >>
> >> alec
> >
> >Alec,
> >I am saddened by this failure to recognize my heroic
> >sacrifice, throwing myself on the tracks to stop the train.
> >Words can't express the disappointment.
> >To think I waved in your general direction and thought
> >kind packing thoughts this weekend.
> >
> >clo
> >
>
> I saw it as Tushar making a joke, I was responding the way I usually respond
> to Tushar. Thanks for trying to take the attention away from me. Thanks for
> the kinds thoughts:)

Ok. <confusedly> And thanks for taking my joke seriously and
explaining... I think.

clo

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> Strange, I had the same type of roller skates when I was a child, and
> the paths in our yard were certainly not better than those where I
> skated on that Sunday, but my skating was so bad as if I had never put
> on roller skates before.
>
> Kristin

I was just thinking recently that I would like to
roller skate again.  I enjoyed nothing more as
a child.  I would have to go to a skating rink
and rent the skates and skate there.  It would
most certainly have to be on a Seniors' Day
(ugh).  If I could swallow my pride it would
be good exercise.

I've told this before, but my mother did that once
when she was in her 80's.  Not on a Seniors'
Day either.  Caused quite a stir.
She skated well and had a good time, even
though the manager was holding his breath
(before he got to know her).

               - D. M.

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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>> let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
>> have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
>
> I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> Natalie!
>
> Arresting thought, huh.

What does fisk mean, again?

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> There's a question hanging in my mind for some time. - You said some
> time ago that you're interested in folklore, didn't you. I wanted to ask
> -- which kind? of which periods and places? What have you read, or
> studied closely, or written about concerning folklore? I couldn't find
> anything on it at your homepage.
>
> Kristin

Hm. Well, I studied folklore quite specifically when I was an
undergrad - this would be in the early '70s, when Joseph Campbell's
Hero with Many Faces first came out, I think, and Bob Byington
was at Smithsonian talking about pop culture as folklore.
So I was being taught both to look at traditional folk tales
and folk ways, and also to look at phenomena like comic
books and movies for some of  the same recurring themes,
stylistic elements, etc.

I did field work in West Virginia, whence (incidentally) I
followed an indigo bunting to arrive last night (first time in 28
years) from Alexandria VA, rather than taking the appointed
path back to a peaceful night's sleep. If this sentence seems
complex, imagine living it (including entirely unexpectedly
meeting a person who was there with me back then, who now
resides in CA), and trying to recount it on 3 hrs sleep while
catching up at work.
Let me try again; ignore the abortive whtm.

I did field work in W. Va, looking at, among other things,
storytelling in public places,  folk music, insider/outsider variations
in sharing stories and music (the beginnings of linguistic study,
perhaps),  folk medicine, and post-civil war fence/log building
construction.Oh yes, and caver (spelunker) lore and tall-tales.

Hm. Not so much periods and places, though I have read it
widely all my life (well, since the age of 3 or 4) as themes,
marked and unmarked elements, and looking at some of the
sources of the legends. The most intensive study I have done
would be on themes of disability - in other words, how illness
and disability were reported - in folktales and other stories,
predominantly in medieval and early modern Europe. The
draft paper that's in a drawer somewhere waiting for me to
have time is entitled "The Changeling".

Nothing published - yet. I am a non-traditional in the academic
world. Who knows what may come?

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >
> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> > Natalie!
> >
>
> What does fisk mean, again?

Same q. here, for in this context I cannot understand it again. I guess I
remember more or less how it was explained once but that explanation doesn't
make things clearer here.

Kr.

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> > Natalie!
>
> What does fisk mean, again?

Fiske.  To me it means take a post and quote snatches of it interspersed
with harsh criticism and/or mockery.

Seems to me that people use it just to mean "demolish" or "do a hatchet
job on" though.

Ann

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> Fiske.

WRONG.  I think.  I think, Fisk.

Ann

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I was just thinking recently that I would like to
> roller skate again.

Yes, do it. And get a helmet and something to protect elbows and knees, too.
I went skating without them, and fortunately I didn't fall, but it was silly
not to protect myself. Actually, I found myself thinking now and then, a
pillow on the bottom could have been most useful, too.

> I've told this before, but my mother did that once
> when she was in her 80's.  Not on a Seniors'
> Day either.  Caused quite a stir.
> She skated well and had a good time,

Great!

Kristin

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At 08:34 PM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.

Well I bought new lifting gloves yesterday.

lisa
who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.

--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Well I bought new lifting gloves yesterday.
>
> lisa
> who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.

Sorry to hear it. Not too painful, I sincerely hope.
clo

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At 11:20 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Couple of things:
>1) woo-hoo!

Cool!


>2) Wordswise: The Devils as a "machine" who "manufactures" wins. Discuss.

I <get> it, like it and sometimes use "machine".


>3) John Madden -- straight out of central casting with that eye and those
>stitches.

Yesterday a trainer at my gym noted my leg injury, comparing to Madden's
face. I have no stitches, although I probably should have gotten some.


>7) At the beginning of the season Lou Lamoriello called our house to talk
>to Bruce about some of the decisions he was making ... really, he
>personally called us -- because we didn't buy tickets this year and Bruce
>was kinda pissed about Bobby Holik going to the Rangers -- ha! we of
>little faith!

Very cool that he called. Very cool.


>8) We never would have thought this would happen at the beginning of the
>season.
>
>9) Labatt Blue is the beer of choice while watching hockey.
>
>10) woo-hoo!

Cool. Yeah. Right on Sistah!

lisa


>Marie

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>  I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
>  Natalie!               --Ann

I was a mere agitator in the crowd.  A philosopher stays detached and walks
away when the fight is well started.


bonnie

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> I was a mere agitator in the crowd.  A philosopher stays detached and walks
> away when the fight is well started.

I'm interested to hear this, and think it would be enlightening to
Socrates as well.

clo

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Kristin writes,

>And get a helmet and something to protect elbows and knees, too.

And wrist guards.  Of injuries in inline skating, wrists and forearms are
the most common.

Pete

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02003-06-10 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> >> let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> >> have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
> >
> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> > Natalie!
> >
> > Arresting thought, huh.
>
> What does fisk mean, again?

What you are going to do to your teeth if you succeed...

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Campbell's work argued that there are universal primes in myths
> and legends, ...

Oh, I'm about leaving for today. 'll read more carefully tomorrow.

> Another work I seem to remember is "The Golden Bough.

I have read excerpts of it! Those aroused interest in me. And I have a translation
of it at home published a couple of years ago, bought only recently. (I appreciate
that translator's work, too -- have read more of what she has done.)

Kristin

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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
>> Fiske.
>
> WRONG.  I think.  I think, Fisk.

Which is what I said.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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At 08:27 AM 6/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 10:56 AM 6/10/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>>At 06:51 AM 6/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>>Oh, I'd love that, too. I told the kids that I would love to do a cruise
>>>together as a family vacation. It sounds ideal to have your own room, no
>>>cooking, variety of things to do or not.
>>>
>>>Is this a working trip for your uncle?
>>>
>>>Betty
>>
>>My mom has always wanted to gather the family for a holiday cruise. She's
>>been looking for a way to get out of cooking and figured a cruise would
>>entice people.
>>
>>lisa
>
>I think it would be a great way to have a family reunion. One could just go
>to one's room if one got ticked off.
>
>Betty

And there would be no complaining about food prep. My mother wouldn't be
insanely cooking for a week prior to the holiday. I wouldn't moan that I
had to peel potatoes. My brother wouldn't have to do anything.. oh wait..
that wouldn't be anything new.

lisa

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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >
>> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
>> Natalie!
>>
>> What does fisk mean, again?
>
> Fiske.  To me it means take a post and quote snatches of it interspersed
> with harsh criticism and/or mockery.

Oh, "to Nipper".

> Seems to me that people use it just to mean "demolish" or "do a hatchet
> job on" though.

I don't think anyone did a hatchet job on anyone.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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At 10:37 AM 6/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-06-10 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > I've never unsubbed in a snit. Part of the reason I've stuck w/ Words-l is
> > because I truly believed I could learn something from all the various
> > backgrounds represented.
>
>Yet, you are still on the list.

Are you flirting w/ me again?


> > Back in the early days I took some fairly hefty beatings. I'll admit now
> > that  I deserved some of the flames. There were of course some that were
> > over the top but still I refused to leave with my tail between my legs.
>
>Those were very lame flames.

You just made me laugh.

lisa

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02003-06-10 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Ok. <confusedly> And thanks for taking my joke seriously and
> explaining... I think.

Don't worry, you will be flamed to a char in an independent thread.
(No, it won't be "at a bar".)

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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fiske.
>> >
>> > WRONG.  I think.  I think, Fisk.
>>
>> Which is what I said.
>
> I know it, Karen.
>
> I think you are prickly and neurotic.

I think I'm tired and cranky. I don't think I'm especially neurotic,
though who knows.

Karen
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02003-06-10 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> > have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
>
> I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> Natalie!

That hasn't escaped me.

Well, it did escape me. Because only the first three words of
the first FISKing were interesting. Man, given how boring that
was, we must conclude that even sustained petty sniping needs
talent!

> Arresting thought, huh.

And a convincing one ... Never has the time between arrest and
conviction been so short

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> 02003-06-10 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >
>> >> let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
>> >> have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
>> >
>> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
>> Natalie!
>> >
>> > Arresting thought, huh.
>>
>> What does fisk mean, again?
>
> What you are going to do to your teeth if you succeed...

LOL. You've been hanging in dubious neighborhoods again, I see...

Karen
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fixed."

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >
> >> Fiske.
> >
> > WRONG.  I think.  I think, Fisk.
>
> Which is what I said.

I know it, Karen.

I think you are prickly and neurotic.

Ann

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Interesting!

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Hm. Well, I studied folklore quite specifically when I was an
> undergrad - this would be in the early '70s, when Joseph Campbell's
> Hero with Many Faces first came out, I think,

Aha, this must be an important work, I guess. -- I'm so-o-o ignorant at some
things, and I'm not sure whether I've found this work in references of others.
But recently I've searched once again for books on folklore and myths and
history to catch up a bit. And sometimes I do not know what to choose.

> If this sentence seems
> complex, imagine living it (including entirely unexpectedly
> meeting a person who was there with me back then, who now
> resides in CA), and trying to recount it on 3 hrs sleep while
> catching up at work.

:-) I almost struggled through it.

>  is entitled "The Changeling".

Thank you for giving a long and interesting answer, as being sleepy and busy.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.
>
>Ann
>

Yay! The ferry sounds like much more fun.


alec

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> > Hm. Well, I studied folklore quite specifically when I was an
> > undergrad - this would be in the early '70s, when Joseph Campbell's
> > Hero with Many Faces first came out, I think,
>
> Aha, this must be an important work, I guess. -- I'm so-o-o ignorant at some
> things, and I'm not sure whether I've found this work in references of others.
> But recently I've searched once again for books on folklore and myths and
> history to catch up a bit. And sometimes I do not know what to choose.

Campbell's work argued that there are universal primes in myths
and legends, along the lines of, perhaps, Jungian archetypal
unconscious, and that in all times and places heroes exhibit most
or all of ten or so characteristics, including a foretelling of birth,
mysterious conception, mother unjustly accused, perhaps? a
hidden identity, a journey, - I forget the details. If you compare
Jesus's life to Buddha's, to Luke Skywalker in Star Wars (drawn
deliberately from Campbell's work, I think) to Ulysses and
perhaps Siegfried, and so on, you see themes that are similar,
though not details.

One argument would be that storytellers copied each other;
another would be that these are common to human understanding
of what it is to be different and special, therefore qualified to be
a hero.

Another work I seem to remember is "The Golden Bough.

> >  is entitled "The Changeling".
>
> Thank you for giving a long and interesting answer, as being sleepy and busy.

No problem - in fact, it helped to reanimate me and keep me
awake at a critical moment.
:-)

clo

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> >Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.
> >Ann
> Yay! The ferry sounds like much more fun.

You are yaying either inappropriately or meanly.  Fun will cost me MORE
than less fun.

It's people like you that will drive me off the list, dumbo.  Goodbye in
five languages!

Ann

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ann Borkin
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:58 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: A Bethany post
>
>
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>> >Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.
>> >Ann
>> Yay! The ferry sounds like much more fun.
>
>You are yaying either inappropriately or meanly.  Fun will cost me MORE
>than less fun.
>
>It's people like you that will drive me off the list, dumbo.
>Goodbye in
>five languages!
>
>Ann
>

Bless your heart!! and goodbye!


alec

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.

Ann

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At 03:18 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 08:34 PM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.
>
>Well I bought new lifting gloves yesterday.
>
>lisa
>who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.

I bought a cocktail strainer.

B

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> >Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.
> >
> >Ann
> >
>
> Yay! The ferry sounds like much more fun.
>
>
> alec

The daily tour of San Quentin.
Always a good reminder to behave.

           - D. M.

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At 12:38 PM 6/10/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> >> Natalie!
> >>
> >> What does fisk mean, again?
> >
> > Fiske.  To me it means take a post and quote snatches of it interspersed
> > with harsh criticism and/or mockery.
>
>Oh, "to Nipper".

I meant to ask yesterday but did Natalie run Nipper off, too? Such power!

Betty

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> >
> > > Hm. Well, I studied folklore quite specifically when I was an
> > > undergrad - this would be in the early '70s, when Joseph
Campbell's
> > > Hero with Many Faces first came out, I think,
> >
> > Aha, this must be an important work, I guess. -- I'm so-o-o ignorant
at some
> > things, and I'm not sure whether I've found this work in references
of others.
> > But recently I've searched once again for books on folklore and
myths and
> > history to catch up a bit. And sometimes I do not know what to
choose.
>
> Campbell's work argued that there are universal primes in myths
> and legends, along the lines of, perhaps, Jungian archetypal
> unconscious, and that in all times and places heroes exhibit most
> or all of ten or so characteristics, including a foretelling of birth,
> mysterious conception, mother unjustly accused, perhaps? a
> hidden identity, a journey, - I forget the details. If you compare
> Jesus's life to Buddha's, to Luke Skywalker in Star Wars (drawn
> deliberately from Campbell's work, I think) to Ulysses and
> perhaps Siegfried, and so on, you see themes that are similar,
> though not details.
>
> One argument would be that storytellers copied each other;
> another would be that these are common to human understanding
> of what it is to be different and special, therefore qualified to be
> a hero.
>
> Another work I seem to remember is "The Golden Bough.
>
> > >  is entitled "The Changeling".
> >
> > Thank you for giving a long and interesting answer, as being sleepy
and busy.
>
> No problem - in fact, it helped to reanimate me and keep me
> awake at a critical moment.
> :-)
>
> clo

I used to have some of Campbell's  public television
stuff on tape.  Used to be fascinated with it.
Will look and see if I still have any.

                      - D. M.

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.
> >
> >lisa
> >who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.
>
> I bought a cocktail strainer.
>
> B

Restrain yourself, Betty.

         - D. M.

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At 12:47 PM 6/10/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.

Are you posting rich again?
B

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02003-06-10 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-06-10 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> let alone real property. So, who drove Natalie away? It must
> >> >> have been one single person; it always is. If it was Alec, for
> >> >
> >> > I can't understand why nobody's fingering Bonniev.  Bonniev FISKED
> >> Natalie!
> >> >
> >> > Arresting thought, huh.
> >>
> >> What does fisk mean, again?
> >
> > What you are going to do to your teeth if you succeed...
>
> LOL. You've been hanging in dubious neighborhoods again, I see...

That is a nonsense, Madam. Are you insinuating that x -> sk is
a "dubious neighborhood" transform? It may be true that "who
axed you" may be "dubious" speech, but that says nothing about
the reverse transposition. If anything it is hyper-un-dubious.

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>> I bought a cocktail strainer.
>>
>> B
>
>Restrain yourself, Betty.

Will she need a cocktail restrainer?

Bethany

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02003-06-10 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> > >Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.
> > >Ann
> > Yay! The ferry sounds like much more fun.
>
> You are yaying either inappropriately or meanly.

He is simply yaying with that wrong capitalization. Is that
so wrong?

> Fun will cost me MORE than less fun.
>
> It's people like you that will drive me off the list, dumbo.  Goodbye in
> five languages!

Sorry to see you go ... We just made special coffee.

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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >> I bought a cocktail strainer.
> >>
> >> B
> >
> >Restrain yourself, Betty.

Who aksed you?
clo

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02003-06-10 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 10:37 AM 6/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-06-10 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >> I've never unsubbed in a snit. Part of the reason I've stuck w/ Words-l
> >> is because I truly believed I could learn something from all the various
> >> backgrounds represented.
> >
> >Yet, you are still on the list.
>
> Are you flirting w/ me again?

You are the one coming on to ME.

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At 03:32 PM 6/10/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > >Starting July 1, the ferry will cost me $1.10 more than the bus.
> > >
> > >Ann
> > >
> >
> > Yay! The ferry sounds like much more fun.
> >
> >
> > alec
>
>The daily tour of San Quentin.
>Always a good reminder to behave.

There is a sign  nearby that says "If you lived here you'd be home by now."

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > I bought a cocktail strainer.
> >
> > B
>
> Restrain yourself, Betty.

    Is this a restraining order?

JMW

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> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > > I bought a cocktail strainer.
> > >
> > > B
> >
> > Restrain yourself, Betty.
>
>     Is this a restraining order?
>
> JMW

Touche!

    - D. M.

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At 01:20 PM 6/10/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
 >I meant to ask yesterday but did Natalie run Nipper off, too? Such power!

Unless it was out of sheer frustration, no.  Marty was not inclined to run
or be pushed in any direction that he already did not want to go.

cwv

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>> said that I can work as many hours as I want before the end of this
>> month. Yesterday I worked 9.5 hours. Today, I suspect I'll barely make
>> 8, but I'm dog-tired. I plan to go to bed early and wake up early and
>> work at least 10 hours every day the rest of this week.
>>
>> That may not sound like a big deal to most of you, but after not
>> working for so long, it's stressful.
>
> I does sound a big deal. Depending on a work and all, but 10 hours on
> several days following each other is tough.

I used to do it all the time. And really, I'm okay as long as I can get
food and exercise regularly. There's a nice lake out in back that I
haven't been able to take advantage of, but I will tomorrow.

> Try to get good rest before
> the new week begins, at least.

Today is Tuesday; we're in the middle of the week already!

> There are several weeks to go this month
> yet.

About 2.5 weeks left. I should be able to get living expenses for two
months out of this gig.

Karen
"If I succeed at this, I'll have to have my horns melted down and my teeth
fixed."

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6/10/2003, 9:17 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

PK> Dan, while I can see that what you said wasn't necessarily referring to any
PK> specific person, I can also see how Natalie might read that you were
PK> specifically referring to her.

   I imagine she could, but I was referring the general type of
   "blowups", "bitchfights", "days of nastiness" and not Alec's
   specific reference to "Maynor Hell".  So it goes.

   I dearly love Natalie, and consider her my sister in many ways. But
   as noted before re my own sister, there have been times when we
   couldn't stand each other, wouldn't speak to each other, etc.
   Sometimes we and our issues/beliefs/problems are both too close to
   those of the other, as well as too far apart from the other.  But
   my sister and I did get things together and I nursed her until the
   end as she died of cancer, having to do the most initmate things,
   things I could never imagine doing for anyone, most particularly
   my sister.

dan



dan

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6/10/2003, 8:34 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> This is the most boring and mundane post I have read for a while,
TS> and this with the Drs Voigtlander on board! Could we all aim for
TS> the "1% interesting" mark? Man ...

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Tushiebaby.  Is that
interesting enough for words-fucking-l?

dan



dan

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6/10/2003, 9:41 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> And where have you been lately, Tushar?  You missed the Great Natalie Exit.

TS> I have been entertaining guests. All gone now *whew*. I have got
TS> tons of food left over--anybody know the best way to dump it?

   Well, recent posts have suggested either the toilet (especially
   good for baklava) or else the nearest dumpster (perhaps that of
   your employer) for the rest of your garbage.

dan

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Feel free to forward the message I sent in last hour or two in which I
explained that I was NOT referring to Natalie in particular.  Forward
it to her or anybody else.

At this point I don't feel the need to try to communicate directly
with Natalie, if only because it would probably just piss her off
more. But I could be wrong.

I wish Natalie no ill, and hope that she'll come back soon.  She's
been gone before for periods of time, though not as dramatically as
this time, and I trust that this, too, shall pass.

Anyway, once my posts are sent, they're fair game, just as all the
rest of ours are.

dan

6/10/2003, 10:02 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>> Dan, while I can see that what you said wasn't necessarily referring to any
>> specific person, I can also see how Natalie might read that you were
>> specifically referring to her.

KS> Not only might, but she actually did. Now, although I do not like telling
KS> people what they have to do, this is one of the cases I'd recommend Dan just to
KS> say to Natalie that she wasn't the reason -- if this is as he said. How you do
KS> it, Dan, is none of my business, but I'd like her to know, said by yourself,



dan

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In a message dated 6/10/2003 7:50:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

<<
 I like Designer Whey.  Less expensive than many, tastes good. Comes
   in various flavors.
>>

I'll have to check both Reasor's and the drug store.  I'll check GNC
Saturday.

I'm going to a benefits meeting tomorrow.  I finally made full-time there,
and I
get benefits!
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

The more I see of people the more I like cats.

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acrophobe to Estonian:
>When you are a child, you are much closer to
>the ground and not nearly so fearful of falling.

Yabbut it's all about overcoming that and
doing something you haven't done before.

--
sk8rboi

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Evelyn:
> The more I see of people the more I like cats.

People don't throw up as frequently.

--
Richard, who got a cat more or less like Karen did

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> Evelyn:
>> The more I see of people the more I like cats.
>
> People don't throw up as frequently.
>
> --
> Richard, who got a cat more or less like Karen did

I hope your cat is as fabulous as mine.

If my cat throws up, I don't know about it. Like her pooping, she keeps it
to herself.

Someone brought hunks of cashmere to Monday Night Knitting last
night--lovely, lovely stuff. But to me, it feels like cat hair. Cat hair
fibers are bad bad bad to spin with, but I bet you could spin it with
cashmere to make the cashmere go further--providing you wanted
Burl-colored yarn.

I seem to have inadvertently trained her:  when I lie down on the couch
now, she comes bounding in from wherever she is and takes a flying leap
and lands on my chest for some Kitty Love. She has startled me more than
once.

Karen,
just a cat pillow

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D.M.:
>I was just thinking recently that I would
>like to roller skate again.

Yes.  Go.

>I enjoyed nothing more as a child.

It's better the second time around.
Just take your aunt Kristin's and
uncle Pete's advice in regards to
anti-breaking-body-parts gear.

>I've told this before, but my mother did
>that once when she was in her 80's.

See?  It's in your genes.

HAH!  GENE!  I make funny Markland joke!

--
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Karen:
>That may not sound like a big deal to most of you,
>but after not working for so long, it's stressful.

Indeed.  After my 13-month <retirement>,
I was puzzled that I was expected to, like,
get work done after about 2:00 p.m.

"...the hell??  Three-for-ones just started
at Checkpoint!"

That said, do you know how your erstwhile
employer feels about your decision?  What
I'm asking is, you didn't burn any bridges,
or anything, right?

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Karen:
> I hope your cat is as fabulous as mine.

Oh, Kitty White's got a personality, but
I miss her kitten runnin' podner Li'l Bastard.

He got his name 'cuz he used to creep in the
house (the cats really live in the courtyard)
and perch himself in Predator Mode over the
kiddie pool we had the cavies in.

"GET AWAY FROM THERE Y'(you fill in the rest)".

I fear that L'il Bastard did not <run away
and find a nice family>, as Br keeps telling
me happened...

--
Richard, cat herder

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From: "Tony Harminc" <tony@harminc.com>
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On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 14:00, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> > > I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls.

As with US airlines, calls/flights to Canada are not considered
"international". :-(

> > >I need to make a call to
> > > London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20 55555555.  I
> > > know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is the country code.  I have
> > > seen London phone numbers written in the form 020 55555555.  My question is -
> > > after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?
>
> Mercy's number is 011 44 xxxx xxx xxx - 10 digits. Unless I
> am losing count, "+44 20 55/555/555" - it's right as is.

But numbers in many countries are of variable length, so e.g. a
London number might well be longer or shorter than one elsewhere in
the UK.
http://www.oftel.gov.uk/publications/numbering/2003/num_guide.htm#1b

I happen to know that that leading zero must not be dialed in the
case of UK numbers. The "international presentation" of numbers, if
done properly, requires only and exactly that you replace the leading
"+" with your international access code, when dialing. In the case of
the USA, that's 011 (or possibly 01, but that's another story).

Tony H.

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> Karen:
>> I hope your cat is as fabulous as mine.
>
> Oh, Kitty White's got a personality, but
> I miss her kitten runnin' podner Li'l Bastard.
>
> He got his name 'cuz he used to creep in the
> house (the cats really live in the courtyard)

HA! I know this story.

Karen

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Dan, re Natalie:

>She's
>been gone before for periods of time,

Not! She posted sporadically when she spent that year in
Japan. When she's busy or on the road she says DSAI and
goes nomail. And sometimes gets more posts in than when
she's in Sville if that's possible.

>  though not as dramatically as
>this time, and I trust that this, too, shall pass.

Since she's never left before so there's no "too".

-rashmi

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> Dan, re Natalie:
>
>>She's
>>been gone before for periods of time,
>
> Not! She posted sporadically when she spent that year in
> Japan. When she's busy or on the road she says DSAI and
> goes nomail. And sometimes gets more posts in than when
> she's in Sville if that's possible.

When her dad was dying, she was away from the list a lot.

Though I agree with you that this departure was unprecedented.

Karen

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Karen:
> HA! I know this story.

Ah, jeez, I'm starting to repeat myself?

--
creepy old grampa

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02003-06-10 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/10/2003, 8:34 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> TS> This is the most boring and mundane post I have read for a while,
> TS> and this with the Drs Voigtlander on board! Could we all aim for
> TS> the "1% interesting" mark? Man ...
>
> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Tushiebaby.  Is that
> interesting enough for words-fucking-l?

No, it's even more boring. But at least you are trying ... that's
a *good* thing!

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02003-06-10 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> TS> I have been entertaining guests. All gone now *whew*. I have got
> TS> tons of food left over--anybody know the best way to dump it?
>
>    Well, recent posts have suggested either the toilet (especially
>    good for baklava) or else the nearest dumpster (perhaps that of
>    your employer) for the rest of your garbage.

I LOVE baklava! Who the hells throws out baklava?

I was talking about this crappy-ass "Tuscan cooking" BS I had
to feed my palate-challenged bobo snob guests.

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I watched some of the Conan O'Brien Show yesterday. I used to have
the impression that it was not too bad a show. Unfortunately, I was
wrong. It is possibly the stalest show on TV. This guy is stuck in
some place, he doesn't like it, he is lame, bitchy, snotty, power-
tripping, nasty, etc etc. What a fall ...

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I'm enjoying the idea of Kristin roller skating back and
forth across her apartment.  I wonder what the people below
are thinking as they hear her roll across their ceiling, the
noise now and then punctuated by a plaster-loosening thump.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-06-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I'm enjoying the idea of Kristin roller skating back and
> forth across her apartment.  I wonder what the people below
> are thinking as they hear her roll across their ceiling,

They aren't thinking. They are shaking their fists and shouting
"You-u, stupid woman!"

> the noise now and then punctuated by a plaster-loosening thump.

What a writers-workshop subordinate clause ...

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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My July 3 court date was continued, so I may be able to go to Sydney,
after all. I have identified an airfare I can deal with. Now I am waiting
to see if I can get lodging - and a bit of department funding. If I go, I
will be there July 8 (leaving here July 6) - July 14. I can use the part
of the Finland ticket that I have left for part of the airfare.

I love Australia winters - light jackets take care of everything.

Bethany

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>I love Australia winters - light jackets take care of everything.


>Bethany


YaY!

AS

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> D.M.:
> >I was just thinking recently that I would
> >like to roller skate again.
>
> Yes.  Go.
>
> >I enjoyed nothing more as a child.
>
> It's better the second time around.
> Just take your aunt Kristin's and
> uncle Pete's advice in regards to
> anti-breaking-body-parts gear.
>
> >I've told this before, but my mother did
> >that once when she was in her 80's.
>
> See?  It's in your genes.
>
> HAH!  GENE!  I make funny Markland joke!
>
> --
> Quadzilla

  :-)

-D. M.

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>YaY!

But I don't get to choose the ferry - at any price.

Bethany

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Tuesday, June 10, 2003, 6:25:35 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>> HA! I know this story.

> Ah, jeez, I'm starting to repeat myself?

> --
> creepy old grampa

I don't remember what this was in reference to, but it's more likely
that I merely identify strongly with the story than that I remember it
from you telling it to me before.

Karen

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Tuesday, June 10, 2003, 5:52:06 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>>That may not sound like a big deal to most of you,
>>but after not working for so long, it's stressful.

> Indeed.  After my 13-month <retirement>,
> I was puzzled that I was expected to, like,
> get work done after about 2:00 p.m.

LOL. I have work before I do 3pm and work I do after.

> "...the hell??  Three-for-ones just started
> at Checkpoint!"

Let's go.:)

> That said, do you know how your erstwhile
> employer feels about your decision?  What
> I'm asking is, you didn't burn any bridges,
> or anything, right?

Mais non.

> --
acorn->>oak, and all that

The same person hired me for both gigs, so I don't think that she was
really surprised that I bailed on the other one. At least I did it
relatively early, so she could have someone else pick up the slack. I
am doing so well at my day job that I'm not worried about her being so
disappointed I never work for her again. I think that, au contraire,
my ability to recognize when I am in over my head speaks well for me.

Karen

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I once read an article which brought out some complex similarities
between Oppenheimer and Arjuna (the warrior who listens to the
bhagavad gita).

It was interesting stuff.

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> I went skating without them, and fortunately I didn't fall,

I never fall, but I feel like a vulnerable colt without them. All knees or something. Pads are good.

Marie

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> >And get a helmet and something to protect elbows and knees, too.
>
> And wrist guards.  Of injuries in inline skating, wrists and
> forearms are
> the most common.

Wrist guards are definitely the most important. And knees. I've actually only needed them once, and then as brakes more than anything, as I almost made a BIG mistake entering the intersection at Grand Army Plaza (Brooklyn) at a light change. Interesting thing though, adult knee pads are not as easy to find these days as one would think. After all these years, I finally need a replacement pair -- the last bought of all places at the LL Bean store in Freeport, Maine -- the elastic has worn out in the back and they were always a little big -- and every time I look in any sporting goods store or department, they only sell them for children.

But so's you know I always always always wear my knees and wrists. Unattractive tan lines so what.

Marie
   who hopes to still skate at 80

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> >2) Wordswise: The Devils as a "machine" who "manufactures" wins.
> Discuss.
> I <get> it, like it and sometimes use "machine".

You don't think it's a backhanded compliment? Sort of dehumanizing?

> Yesterday a trainer at my gym noted my leg injury, comparing to
> Madden'sface. I have no stitches, although I probably should have
> gotten some.

Dag.

I loved Madden that game. After he rips his face open, he reappears with the shield, which was short-lived, and then wouldn't you know it, just minutes later he's skating around with no helmet at all. Awesome.

> Very cool that he called. Very cool.

We couldn't believe it. Very unmachinelike, I'd say.

Marie

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At 10:09 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:

>Marie
>    who hopes to still skate at 80

Good for you.  Are you still doing karate?

Betty

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> And there would be no complaining about food prep. My mother
> wouldn't be
> insanely cooking for a week prior to the holiday. I wouldn't moan
> that I
> had to peel potatoes. My brother wouldn't have to do anything.. oh
> wait..that wouldn't be anything new.

Every couple of years my family takes a house at the Jersey shore for a week and probably the best part is the FOOD. We do all dinners in, each couple (or sibling) taking a night, and the spare night being Fajita-Margarita Night (with all the trimmings -- everyone pitches in). We eat good, everyone takes care to plan a good menu, no one feels overwhelmed by having to cook one (plus) night. But the best is always my brother-the-fishmonger's feast of seafood -- I can't complain that he doesn't do his part, he totally rocks in the kitchen. Actually, he might be the only person who's in there every night.

Marie

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> >    who hopes to still skate at 80
>
> Good for you.

Yeah, cept, like I stole from you, I plan to start smoking again at 80 too. Or at least I like to tell myself that. And now all of my siblings except my brother have quit smoking too, and I tell them that we can all smoke again on MY 80th birthday.

>Are you still doing karate?

Sure am, several times a week. I am committed to getting my black belt in the next couple of years.

Marie

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At 10:23 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>Every couple of years my family takes a house at the Jersey shore for a
>week and probably the best part is the FOOD. We do all dinners in, each
>couple (or sibling) taking a night, and the spare night being
>Fajita-Margarita Night (with all the trimmings -- everyone pitches in). We
>eat good, everyone takes care to plan a good menu, no one feels
>overwhelmed by having to cook one (plus) night. But the best is always my
>brother-the-fishmonger's feast of seafood -- I can't complain that he
>doesn't do his part, he totally rocks in the kitchen. Actually, he might
>be the only person who's in there every night.
>
>Marie

That sounds wonderful! I'm tired of doing everything.

Betty

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At 10:45 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > >    who hopes to still skate at 80
> >
> > Good for you.
>
>Yeah, cept, like I stole from you, I plan to start smoking again at 80
>too. Or at least I like to tell myself that. And now all of my siblings
>except my brother have quit smoking too, and I tell them that we can all
>smoke again on MY 80th birthday.

There are still times that I really want a cigarette.  Twenty two more years!


> >Are you still doing karate?
>
>Sure am, several times a week. I am committed to getting my black belt in
>the next couple of years.

Good for you.  I don't know how you find the time while working full time
and having a life. It't hard for me to do much after work.  Going to the
gym before work is easy.

Betty

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> Yeah, cept, like I stole from you, I plan to start smoking again at 80
too. Or at least I like to tell myself that. And now all of my siblings
except my brother have quit smoking too, and I tell them that we can all
smoke again on MY 80th birthday.
>
> Marie

I will be 78 this summer.  I never plan to start smoking again,
although I did it for some 39 years, stupidly.  Now, it is the
furthest thing from my mind.  I can't imagine ever wanting to.
I never think of it.

There are things I want to try . . that I have never tried . .
but not the things that I tried and they didn't work well
for me.  I'm a slow learner . . but I do learn.

No more karma on that score for me.  When I come
back again I can tackle the things I have left that are
holding me back, but it won't be smoking.

                           - D. M.

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By the wonders of the internet and ultrasound
I just saw a picture of my newest great grandchild 
who I swear is only a few hours old.  Well, weeks,
perhaps.

What will they think of next?

It looks like a head and a spinal cord.

This is gg # 5.

Poor kid.  What a world you are entering.
Are you ready for this?

              - D. M.

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Tuesday, June 10, 2003, 10:36:48 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> Poor kid.  What a world you are entering.
> Are you ready for this?

Poor kid? It's a fabulous, interesting world out there, Doris! Don't
forget--this is the only world he knows. Yet.

Karen

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> Tuesday, June 10, 2003, 10:36:48 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Poor kid.  What a world you are entering.
> > Are you ready for this?
>
> Poor kid? It's a fabulous, interesting world out there, Doris! Don't
> forget--this is the only world he knows. Yet.
>
> Karen

Yes. Of course.

My mother used to sit and look at these
new little ones and say "Oh, you have so
much to learn."

It is so much more awesome from this
point of view, now, after 78 years.
So much more awesome!

                 - D. M.

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Evelyn:
=
= I'm going to a benefits meeting tomorrow.  I finally made full-time there,
= and I get benefits!

Wow.  That is absolutely wonderful!

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In a message dated 6/10/2003 11:24:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<<
Wow.  That is absolutely wonderful!

>>

Yeah, it's more than Sears in Tulsa ever gave me.

I heard from Patsy (a friend of mine at Sears); she says that they're
merging electronics with vacuums, microwaves, and sewing machines.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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=
= I heard from Patsy (a friend of mine at Sears); she says that they're
= merging electronics with vacuums, microwaves, and sewing machines.
=

It's all just stuff to them.

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08:51 06.06.2003 -0400 skrev clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
>On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> > > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
>> > ?  Why do you suppose that?
>>
>> Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
>> simply indifferent.
>>
>
>Francophone, pas francophiliac.

Wasn't the intention here francophiles?

Espen

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> I watched some of the Conan O'Brien Show yesterday. I used to have
> the impression that it was not too bad a show. Unfortunately, I was
> wrong. It is possibly the stalest show on TV. This guy is stuck in
> some place, he doesn't like it, he is lame, bitchy, snotty, power-
> tripping, nasty, etc etc. What a fall ...

The obvious question is "So why did you watch ?"

BrP

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> I heard from Patsy (a friend of mine at Sears); she says that they're
> merging electronics with vacuums, microwaves, and sewing machines.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

I'm trying to imagine the merged appliance that sucks, nukes, and stiches, etc.


BrP

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6/10/2003, 5:17 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

RM> Dan, re Natalie:

>>She's
>>been gone before for periods of time,

RM> Not!

I didn't say "unsubbed".  I said "gone".

RM> She posted sporadically when she spent that year in
RM> Japan. When she's busy or on the road she says DSAI and
RM> goes nomail.

Exactly.  And when in Japan there could be times when she was "gone"
for several weeks.

>>  though not as dramatically as
>>this time, and I trust that this, too, shall pass.

RM> Since she's never left before so there's no "too".

Well, I've never unsubbed either, despite being "gone" for a year or
more on occasions.  No, never did a dramatic unsubbing, etc, nor has
she.  But she's been gone, as many of us have.


dan

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6/10/2003, 6:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Tushiebaby.  Is that
>> interesting enough for words-fucking-l?

TS> No, it's even more boring. But at least you are trying ... that's
TS> a *good* thing!

   I'm so happy that I'm pleasing the great tushiekins.

dan

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At 03:27 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > Well I bought new lifting gloves yesterday.
> >
> > lisa
> > who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.
>
>Sorry to hear it. Not too painful, I sincerely hope.
>clo

Thanks clo, I appreciate it.

Painful, yeah. Survivable, most definitely.

The first injury was a gash on my leg from mountain biking. My seat broke
and I ended up jamming my pedal into my shin. It was on the boarder line of
needing stitches. Tina, a medical assistant, tried to get me to the drs.
but I refused. My thinking was, if i had stitches I wouldn't be able to go
to the gym the next day. Guess what, I couldn't work out anyway. The end
result was Tina brought home some steri-strips and butterflied my wound.

The second occurred on Saturday when I was finally able to run or so I
thought. Three minutes into my run my leg was tight. I stopped, stretched
and continued for another two minutes before I heard/felt something pop in
my calf. It took me 15 minutes to hobble home.

My aunt is a physical therapist and diagnosed me with tennis leg (I'd never
heard of this before but it's a real thing) and told me how to re-hab myself.

Although I cannot run, I can stationary bike, row (erg really) and I might
be able to do the elipitical machine, I'll find out today when I got to the
gym. \

The worse wound is really in my head, I felt pretty beat up and was very
frustrated by not being able to work out for most of last week.

lisa

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>I'm trying to imagine the merged appliance that sucks, nukes, and stiches, etc.

Larry Ellison might be able to explain this.

Bethany

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6/10/2003, 6:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>>    Well, recent posts have suggested either the toilet (especially
>>    good for baklava) or else the nearest dumpster (perhaps that of
>>    your employer) for the rest of your garbage.

TS> I LOVE baklava! Who the hells throws out baklava?

   I love it too.  I'd answer your lame question, but that'd probably
   just start another round of internecine warfare.

dan

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At 01:16 PM 6/10/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>At 03:18 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 08:34 PM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.
>>
>>Well I bought new lifting gloves yesterday.
>>
>>lisa
>>who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.
>
>I bought a cocktail strainer.
>
>B

You win!

lisa

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At 03:48 PM 6/10/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Are you flirting w/ me again?
>
>You are the one coming on to ME.

Oh yeah.. that's right.. I forgot.

lisa

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 08:51 06.06.2003 -0400 skrev clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
> >On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> > > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
> >> > ?  Why do you suppose that?
> >>
> >> Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or are
> >> simply indifferent.
> >>
> >
> >Francophone, pas francophiliac.
>
> Wasn't the intention here francophiles?
>
> Espen

I thought at the time that the question was about what the
French words were - hence, francophonie.
I accepted the correction of my error long ago.
clo

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > I heard from Patsy (a friend of mine at Sears); she says that they're
> > merging electronics with vacuums, microwaves, and sewing machines.
> >
> > Evelyn Duncan
>
> I'm trying to imagine the merged appliance that sucks, nukes, and stiches, etc.
>
> BrP

while playing music.
clo

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>
> I don't think I'd characterize me as a francophile. Maybe a frankophile...
>
> Karen


You're fond of hot dogs?


BrP

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> 6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
>
> BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.
>
>   Exactly.

It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's unsubbing as
a landmark event.

Karen

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> Well, I've never unsubbed either, despite being "gone" for a year or
> more on occasions.  No, never did a dramatic unsubbing, etc, nor has
> she.  But she's been gone, as many of us have.

The only time I unsubbed was when I left when Alyce was ill. It wasn't
dramatic, but it was personally momentous.

Karen

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> Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> 08:51 06.06.2003 -0400 skrev clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
>> >On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> >> > > (I suppose I'm talking to Karen and Amy and ^^^^^Natalie only?)
>> >> > ?  Why do you suppose that?
>> >>
>> >> Francophiliacs.  I get the impression the rest of us hate frogs or
>> are simply indifferent.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Francophone, pas francophiliac.
>>
>> Wasn't the intention here francophiles?
>>
>> Espen
>
> I thought at the time that the question was about what the
> French words were - hence, francophonie.

I don't think I'd characterize me as a francophile. Maybe a frankophile...

Karen

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>>
>> I don't think I'd characterize me as a francophile. Maybe a
>> frankophile...
>>
>> Karen
>
>
> You're fond of hot dogs?

Chili dogs, yes. And honesty.

Karen

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> >
> > I don't think I'd characterize me as a francophile. Maybe a frankophile...
> >
> > Karen
>
>
> You're fond of hot dogs?
>
>
> BrP

or postage meters?

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>> >
>> > I don't think I'd characterize me as a francophile. Maybe a
>> frankophile...
>> >
>> > Karen
>>
>>
>> You're fond of hot dogs?
>>
>>
>> BrP
>
> or postage meters?

LOL. I have no feelings either way about postage meters. Hand-stamping can
be fun, though.:)

Karen

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6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:


BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.

  Exactly.

dan

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>The only time I unsubbed was when I left when Alyce was ill. It wasn't
>dramatic, but it was personally momentous.
>Karen

Why did you do that?


bonnie

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>>The only time I unsubbed was when I left when Alyce was ill. It wasn't
>> dramatic, but it was personally momentous.
>>Karen
>
> Why did you do that?

For personal reasons.

Karen

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>Well, I've never unsubbed either, despite being "gone" for a year or
>more on occasions.  No, never did a dramatic unsubbing, etc, nor has
>she.  But she's been gone, as many of us have.

It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.

Bethany

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22:26 06.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>> >We drank champagne last night too -- our 4th wedding
>> >anniversary. It was Dom Perignon too -- a housewarming gift
>> >from a couple of years ago.
>
>Happy anniversary, Marie and Bruce!

And from me!

Espen

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Dan Lester wrote:

> Feel free to forward the message I sent in last hour or two in which I
> explained that I was NOT referring to Natalie in particular.  Forward
> it to her or anybody else.

A question both to you, Dan, and all others: Is it a good idea to send it to her?

I would do it if Dan had said "please send it". He said "feel free to send". And I
feel  I must ask what others think, though it in a way seems silly not to decide on my
own.

> At this point I don't feel the need to try to communicate directly
> with Natalie, if only because it would probably just piss her off
> more. But I could be wrong.
>
> I wish Natalie no ill, and hope that she'll come back soon.  She's
> been gone before for periods of time, though not as dramatically as
> this time, and I trust that this, too, shall pass.
>
> Anyway, once my posts are sent, they're fair game, just as all the
> rest of ours are.
>
> dan
>
> 6/10/2003, 10:02 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> >> Dan, while I can see that what you said wasn't necessarily referring to any
> >> specific person, I can also see how Natalie might read that you were
> >> specifically referring to her.
>
> KS> Not only might, but she actually did. Now, although I do not like telling
> KS> people what they have to do, this is one of the cases I'd recommend Dan just to
> KS> say to Natalie that she wasn't the reason -- if this is as he said. How you do
> KS> it, Dan, is none of my business, but I'd like her to know, said by yourself,

Kristin

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6/11/2003, 7:48 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> 6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>>
>> BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.
>>
>>   Exactly.

KK> It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's unsubbing as
KK> a landmark event.

Landmark, ok.  Of course we could get into the meaning of that, too.

Important, unprecedented?  Sure.

Any other words that will make you happy?

dan

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> 6/11/2003, 7:48 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> 6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.
>>>
>>>   Exactly.
>
> KK> It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's
> unsubbing as KK> a landmark event.
>
> Landmark, ok.  Of course we could get into the meaning of that, too.
>
> Important, unprecedented?  Sure.
>
> Any other words that will make you happy?

"I'm sorry for my part in it."

Karen

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6/11/2003, 8:02 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

KS> A question both to you, Dan, and all others: Is it a good idea to send it to her?

KS> I would do it if Dan had said "please send it". He said "feel free to send". And I
KS> feel  I must ask what others think, though it in a way seems silly not to decide on my
KS> own.

       I can only answer for myself.  What I said is what I meant. For
       all I know, she's already read it from being forwarded, the
       archives, another subscription, whatever.

       Whether it is a good idea?  Whether it will make any
       difference?  I have no idea.  If you have been in touch with
       her privately, you'd know that better than most anyone else.


dan

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> I'm enjoying the idea of Kristin roller skating back and
> forth across her apartment.  I wonder what the people below
> are thinking as they hear her roll across their ceiling, the
> noise now and then punctuated by a plaster-loosening thump.

I worried about them a bit, too. But: I did it at full daytime. The
wheels have very thick rubbers(word?) around them. And as much as I know
the people have had some big repair in that room for some time already,
so they practically do not live there. Plaster-loosening? - No, I don't
think so.

Kristin

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> 6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>
>>
>> BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.
>>
>>   Exactly.
>
>It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's unsubbing as
>a landmark event.
>
>Karen
>
I don't know whom you are addressing. (I did not say "Exactly.") For the
record, I consider Natalie's unsubbing the single most momentous event I
have experienced on this service.

Bethany

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02003-06-11 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/10/2003, 6:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >>    Well, recent posts have suggested either the toilet (especially
> >>    good for baklava) or else the nearest dumpster (perhaps that of
> >>    your employer) for the rest of your garbage.
>
> TS> I LOVE baklava! Who the hells throws out baklava?
>
>    I love it too.  I'd answer your lame question, but that'd probably
>    just start another round of internecine warfare.

Nothing wrong with kicking appropriate asses soon ...

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02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > I watched some of the Conan O'Brien Show yesterday. I used to have
> > the impression that it was not too bad a show. Unfortunately, I was
> > wrong. It is possibly the stalest show on TV. This guy is stuck in
> > some place, he doesn't like it, he is lame, bitchy, snotty, power-
> > tripping, nasty, etc etc. What a fall ...
>
> The obvious question is "So why did you watch ?"

I am constantly looking for things to criticize. I suffer greatly
for watching bad things, but I think I owe that much to society
and words-l. Yes, I switched it off in about 10 minutes but that
doesn't diminish my suffering ...

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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> 6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.
>>>
>>>   Exactly.
>>
>>It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's unsubbing
>> as a landmark event.
>>
>>Karen
>>
> I don't know whom you are addressing. (I did not say "Exactly.")

Precisely. I was addressing the person who said "Exactly."

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > I'm enjoying the idea of Kristin roller skating back and
> > forth across her apartment.  I wonder what the people below
> > are thinking as they hear her roll across their ceiling,
>
> They aren't thinking. They are shaking their fists and shouting
> "You-u, stupid woman!"

Ah, usually we are as nice and quiet neighbors as one can be. And they
have three sons the youngest of which still lives there and plays music
with awful basses that I sometimes feel physically, rather than hear, in
my own room -- so they must be used to some noise :). Well, as long as
he does that in daytime I say nothing. There are bigger problems in that
house sometimes, and certainly not with those particular people living
under me.

Kristin

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6/11/2003, 8:14 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Important, unprecedented?  Sure.
>>
>> Any other words that will make you happy?

KK> "I'm sorry for my part in it."

    And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong? I
    didn't insult Natalie and I didn't say I'd left in the past
    because of her.  (assuming that going no mail counts as leaving,
    of course)

dan

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At 10:14 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>You don't think it's a backhanded compliment? Sort of dehumanizing?

Personally, I think of it as a compliment.

There are times during a work out or participation in a sport when I find
myself "in the zone". When get to this level I don't feel as if I'm in my
body. During these times everything goes right, all my parts move the way
they're supposed to, when they're supposed to and it's great. It's also
very machine like.

I think of cliches like, 'clicking or firing on all cylinders' and
'driven'. Also, when practicing and/or learning the term "mechanics" is
often used.

FWIW, there's another term, "animal", which doesn't rank as high with me.
It depends on how it's said. When I come home from the gym and show Tina my
muscles, she calls me an animal. That's ok because I know she's saying it
lightheartedly and encouragingly. The term irritates me when used to refer
to me when I'm playing in the zone. It's usually said in such a way that
implies some sort of jealousy or similar negative attitude.

>I loved Madden that game. After he rips his face open, he reappears with
>the shield, which was short-lived, and then wouldn't you know it, just
>minutes later he's skating around with no helmet at all. Awesome.

Yeah, definitely awesome.


> > Very cool that he called. Very cool.
>
>We couldn't believe it. Very unmachinelike, I'd say.

Sounds to me like he was driven to make the team the best it could be, for
players and fans alike. ;-)


>Marie

lisa

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>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong?

What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it an
American thing that I don't <get>?

You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can apologize
for the misunderstanding.

Karen

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/11/2003, 8:14 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Important, unprecedented?  Sure.
> >>
> >> Any other words that will make you happy?
>
> KK> "I'm sorry for my part in it."
>
>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong? I
>     didn't insult Natalie and I didn't say I'd left in the past
>     because of her.  (assuming that going no mail counts as leaving,
>     of course)
>
> dan

One may be sorry for one's part in a misunderstanding. It's
simplistic and infantile to address communication breakdown
in terms of blame <only>.

For example, I have told Natalie that I am sorry for my part
in the misunderstanding long ago, and while you tough guys
may dismiss that as buttkissing, it happens to be literally true.

Anyone who participates in a conversation contributes to
building it to the point of breakdown, if breakdown occurs -
though often with the best of intentions!

clo

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> At 10:14 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>You don't think it's a backhanded compliment? Sort of dehumanizing?
>
> Personally, I think of it as a compliment.
>
> There are times during a work out or participation in a sport when I
> find myself "in the zone". When get to this level I don't feel as if I'm
> in my body. During these times everything goes right, all my parts move
> the way they're supposed to, when they're supposed to and it's great.

This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.

> It's also very machine like.

No way. This is when body and mind are working together, and machines
don't have minds.

> I think of cliches like, 'clicking or firing on all cylinders' and
> 'driven'. Also, when practicing and/or learning the term "mechanics" is
> often used.

'Mechanics' generally refer to body stuff, learning the basics of how to
move. Physical rather than physical+mental.

Karen

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Dan Lester wrote:

>        Whether it is a good idea?  Whether it will make any
>        difference?  I have no idea.

I'll back in a couple of hours, then I'll maybe do it.

> If you have been in touch with
>        her privately, you'd know that better than most anyone else.

Not much, actually. We didn't write long private letters.

Kr.

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/10/2003, 6:09 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >>    Well, recent posts have suggested either the toilet (especially
> >>    good for baklava) or else the nearest dumpster (perhaps that of
> >>    your employer) for the rest of your garbage.
>
> TS> I LOVE baklava! Who the hells throws out baklava?
>
>    I love it too.  I'd answer your lame question, but that'd probably
>    just start another round of internecine warfare.
>
> dan

I hate the stuff.  Tastes like leaves of wax soaked in watered down honey.
Uck!

Sharon

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> KK> It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's unsubbing as
> KK> a landmark event.
>
> Landmark, ok.  Of course we could get into the meaning of that, too.
>
> Important, unprecedented?  Sure.
>
> Any other words that will make you happy?

Childish?

Ann

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6/11/2003, 8:40 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can apologize
KK> for the misunderstanding.

    OK.  I apologize for the misunderstanding.


dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:40 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong?
>
>What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
>something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy
>thing? Is it an
>American thing that I don't <get>?
>
>You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You
>can apologize
>for the misunderstanding.
>
>Karen
>

I said what I felt needed to be said. If this is painful or causes someone
to unsub, tough shit. They can email the list or me and we can discuss it.
As I stated, if I did not believe what I said, I would not have said it. If,
I am to blame for Natalie leaving, I can live with that fact. There was no
misunderstanding. Yes, I could not have said what I said or I could have
been much more tactful. It was said, that is the facts.


alec

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6/11/2003, 8:40 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
KK> something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it an
KK> American thing that I don't <get>?

       Aren't you an American?

       My dictionary says an apology is an expression of regret for an
       error or insult.

dan

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6/11/2003, 8:44 AM, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:


CO> One may be sorry for one's part in a misunderstanding. It's
CO> simplistic and infantile to address communication breakdown
CO> in terms of blame <only>.

   See definition of apology.  But as noted previously, I apologize
   for the confusion, consternation, misunderstanding, whatever the
   hell else happened by my sins of commission or omission.

dan

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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:40 AM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: family squabble?
>>
>>
>>>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong?
>>
>>What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
>> something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy
>>thing? Is it an
>>American thing that I don't <get>?
>>
>>You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You
>>can apologize
>>for the misunderstanding.
>>
>>Karen
>>
>
> I said what I felt needed to be said. If this is painful or causes
> someone to unsub, tough shit. They can email the list or me and we can
> discuss it. As I stated, if I did not believe what I said, I would not
> have said it. If, I am to blame for Natalie leaving, I can live with
> that fact. There was no misunderstanding. Yes, I could not have said
> what I said or I could have been much more tactful. It was said, that is
> the facts.

I'm glad you and Heide get along well.

Karen

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6/11/2003, 9:08 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> Any other words that will make you happy?

AB> Childish?

    The unsubbing?  The storming off in a huff?  Sure.

dan

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> >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
> >Karen
>
>WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?
>alec

My guess is that she is implying that you are a bastard to live with.  But
I agree with every word you said here and feel exactly the same way:

 > I said what I felt needed to be said. If this is painful or causes
 > someone to unsub, tough shit. They can email the list or me and we can
 > discuss it. As I stated, if I did not believe what I said, I would not
 > have said it. If, I am to blame for Natalie leaving, I can live with
 > that fact. There was no misunderstanding. Yes, I could not have said
 > what I said or I could have been much more tactful. It was said, that is
 > the facts.    --Alec


bonnie

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:14 AM
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>
>
>
>I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
>
>Karen
>

WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?

alec

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> 6/11/2003, 8:40 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> KK> What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
> KK> something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is
> it an KK> American thing that I don't <get>?
>
>        Aren't you an American?

Yes, but I still have <gaps> from living in a Truly Foreign culture.

>        My dictionary says an apology is an expression of regret for an
> error or insult.

So?

Karen

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>What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
>something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it an
>American thing that I don't <get>?
>Karen

I don't think it's a boy thing because I get it.  One can find it
unfortunate that there was a misunderstanding.  But one can only apologize
for something that one has done wrong.  Seems like the meaning of the word
to me.


bonnie

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At 07:40 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can apologize
>for the misunderstanding.

Whoa!  If I make a statement that you misunderstand, I should
apologize?  Man, that takes PC to a new exponent.

cwv

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ann Borkin
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:36 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: family squabble?
>
>
>On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>> KK> "I'm sorry for my part in it."
>>
>> By this definition, that's not an apology. Instead, you might
>> call it an expression of respect, concern, and caring.
>> I'm happy with that. It would still be appropriate for
>> someone to say directly to Natalie if they took part
>> in the conversation that convinced her she was driving
>> other people off of Words-L, and needed to un-sub to
>> rectify it.
>
>I personally doubt that she was so convinced.  I do think her feelings
>were hurt.  Also, I think that she left in a very childish manner.
>However, I admire her for unsubbing and I will admire her for staying
>away.  (This is under the assumption that she's doing it for her own
>mental health and not to punish herself or anybody else.)
>

Not punishing me for sure.

>Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
>throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
>We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
>

yay!



alec

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>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
>everything.        --Karen

Wow.  Not the Midwest I grew up in.  If witnessing a boring conversation,
my relatives would reach in their pocket, pull out a dime and tell the
speaker "here go tell someone who gives a shit".   If complaining about
one's plight in life, the standard answer was "you made your bed; you lie
in it."  Etc. Etc.


bonnie

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>
> I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
> everything.
>
> Karen

I thought that was a Canadian thing  - where the upturned ending of every sentence
sounds like the beginnings of an apology to my ear.


BrP

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
> >something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it an
> >American thing that I don't <get>?
> >Karen
>
> I don't think it's a boy thing because I get it.  One can find it
> unfortunate that there was a misunderstanding.  But one can only apologize
> for something that one has done wrong.  Seems like the meaning of the word
> to me.

OK, this is simple.
Karen's original suggested appropriate words were,

KK> "I'm sorry for my part in it."

By this definition, that's not an apology. Instead, you might
call it an expression of respect, concern, and caring.
I'm happy with that. It would still be appropriate for
someone to say directly to Natalie if they took part
in the conversation that convinced her she was driving
other people off of Words-L, and needed to un-sub to
rectify it.

clo

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> At 07:40 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>>You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can
>> apologize for the misunderstanding.
>
> Whoa!  If I make a statement that you misunderstand, I should
> apologize?

People often do; it costs nothing and shows willingness to be a felicitous
interlocutor.

> Man, that takes PC to a new exponent.

I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
everything.

Karen

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> > >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
> > >Karen
> >
> >WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?
> >alec
>
> My guess is that she is implying that you are a bastard to live with.  But
> I agree with every word you said here and feel exactly the same way:

That's a strange thing to guess. She is implying that it's a good
thing for two people who have a relationship to be good with
each other's ways of dealing with things. It's nonjudgmental.

She's glad, and so am I. It's hell when one person can't deal
with another's way of coping with disagreement, as I can tell
you personally from living with the stbex.

clo

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At 11:27 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?
>>alec
>
>My guess is that she is implying that you are a bastard to live with.  But
>I agree with every word you said here and feel exactly the same way:
>
> > I said what I felt needed to be said. If this is painful or causes
> > someone to unsub, tough shit. They can email the list or me and we can
> > discuss it. As I stated, if I did not believe what I said, I would not
> > have said it. If, I am to blame for Natalie leaving, I can live with
> > that fact. There was no misunderstanding. Yes, I could not have said
> > what I said or I could have been much more tactful. It was said, that is
> > the facts.    --Alec

Moreover, if you have misunderstood Karen, she must apologize.

cwv

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> KK> "I'm sorry for my part in it."
>
> By this definition, that's not an apology. Instead, you might
> call it an expression of respect, concern, and caring.
> I'm happy with that. It would still be appropriate for
> someone to say directly to Natalie if they took part
> in the conversation that convinced her she was driving
> other people off of Words-L, and needed to un-sub to
> rectify it.

I personally doubt that she was so convinced.  I do think her feelings
were hurt.  Also, I think that she left in a very childish manner.
However, I admire her for unsubbing and I will admire her for staying
away.  (This is under the assumption that she's doing it for her own
mental health and not to punish herself or anybody else.)

Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.

Ann

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At 08:34 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:

>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
>everything.

Yes, and <everyone> has travelled to Europe...

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At 11:30 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>By this definition, that's not an apology. Instead, you might
>call it an expression of respect, concern, and caring.
>I'm happy with that. It would still be appropriate for
>someone to say directly to Natalie if they took part
>in the conversation that convinced her she was driving
>other people off of Words-L, and needed to un-sub to
>rectify it.

Less a response to you than a general reflection:  Natalie may be gone, but
this thread has developed in the finest Maynoressque tradition.

cwv

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
> >everything.        --Karen
>
> Wow.  Not the Midwest I grew up in.  If witnessing a boring conversation,
> my relatives would reach in their pocket, pull out a dime and tell the
> speaker "here go tell someone who gives a shit".   If complaining about
> one's plight in life, the standard answer was "you made your bed; you lie
> in it."  Etc. Etc.
>

This explains a lot.

clo

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At 07:45 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:

> > There are times during a work out or participation in a sport when I
> > find myself "in the zone". When get to this level I don't feel as if I'm
> > in my body. During these times everything goes right, all my parts move
> > the way they're supposed to, when they're supposed to and it's great.
>
>This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.

Too bad that name doesn't "flow". I have no idea how to pronounce it.


> > It's also very machine like.
>
>No way. This is when body and mind are working together, and machines
>don't have minds.

I object to you're saying "no way". I was posting based on my own
experiences and I do feel like a machine.


>Karen

lisa

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>>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
>> everything.        --Karen
>
> Wow.  Not the Midwest I grew up in.  If witnessing a boring
> conversation, my relatives would reach in their pocket, pull out a dime
> and tell the speaker "here go tell someone who gives a shit".   If
> complaining about one's plight in life, the standard answer was "you
> made your bed; you lie in it."  Etc. Etc.

That's not the sort of thing that Midwesterners apologize for.

Karen

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>>This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.
> Too bad that name doesn't "flow". I have no idea how to pronounce it.

Oooh!  Can I play?

mihalee  shik chent mihalee

--
Richard      "he was a good man"

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> At 08:34 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
>> everything.
>
> Yes, and <everyone> has travelled to Europe...

The phenomenon of the Midwestern apology is pretty well documented. Unlike
the Europe thing.

Karen

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> >
> >This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.
>
> Too bad that name doesn't "flow". I have no idea how to pronounce it.


CHICK sent mee HA yee

>
> lisa

BrP

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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > 6/11/2003, 7:48 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>> 6/11/2003, 7:25 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> >>>
> >>> BKD> It all depends upon what the meaning of is, I mean gone, is.
> >>>
> >>>   Exactly.
> >
> > KK> It's very ostrich-like of you to refuse to consider Natalie's
> > unsubbing as KK> a landmark event.
> >
> > Landmark, ok.  Of course we could get into the meaning of that, too.
> >
> > Important, unprecedented?  Sure.
> >
> > Any other words that will make you happy?
>
> "I'm sorry for my part in it."

I think Dan should be sent on a ferry past San Quentin, so he
gets a reminder of good behavior. All in favor:

1.

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02003-06-11 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
>
> WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?

I think it's some church thing we don't understand. Ha ha ha ha ...

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02003-06-11 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I personally doubt that she was so convinced.  I do think her feelings
> were hurt.  Also, I think that she left in a very childish manner.
> However, I admire her for unsubbing and I will admire her for staying
> away.  (This is under the assumption that she's doing it for her own
> mental health and not to punish herself or anybody else.)
>
> Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
> throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
> We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.

Personally I am quite bummed that Dr Maynor left. I think you
should apologize. Even if you don't, I AM glad you manage to
get along with everyone in your day-to-day life.

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00:25 08.06.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
>>I also again recently caught the Taiwanese film (called in English) "Eat,
>>Drink, Man, Woman" which had some delightful food-prep scenes -- as well as
>>being hilarious.
>
>Yes, EDMW and Wedding Banquet are both good.
>
>"Tampopo" is my favorite cooking movie.

Tampopo is one of my favorite movies.

Espen

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> At 07:45 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> > There are times during a work out or participation in a sport when I
>> find myself "in the zone". When get to this level I don't feel as if
>> I'm in my body. During these times everything goes right, all my
>> parts move the way they're supposed to, when they're supposed to and
>> it's great.
>>
>>This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.
>
> Too bad that name doesn't "flow". I have no idea how to pronounce it.

Paul said it.

>> > It's also very machine like.
>>
>>No way. This is when body and mind are working together, and machines
>> don't have minds.
>
> I object to you're saying "no way". I was posting based on my own
> experiences and I do feel like a machine.

You're right. I urge to investigate the mind possibilities, however.

Karen

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02003-06-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 07:40 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> >You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can apologize
> >for the misunderstanding.
>
> Whoa!  If I make a statement that you misunderstand, I should
> apologize?  Man, that takes PC to a new exponent.

"Exponent" is the crappiest metaphor I have ever heard for this,
and it is leading to misunderstanding. Apologize immediately.

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6/11/2003, 9:23 AM, Bonniemaev wrote:

>>What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
>>something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it an
>>American thing that I don't <get>?
>>Karen

B> I don't think it's a boy thing because I get it.  One can find it
B> unfortunate that there was a misunderstanding.  But one can only apologize
B> for something that one has done wrong.  Seems like the meaning of the word
B> to me.

    That's what my dictionary says, too.

dan

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6/11/2003, 9:25 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> At 07:40 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>>You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can apologize
>>for the misunderstanding.

cwv> Whoa!  If I make a statement that you misunderstand, I should
cwv> apologize?  Man, that takes PC to a new exponent.

      Amen, brother.

dan

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Personally I am quite bummed that Dr Maynor left. I think you
> should apologize. Even if you don't, I AM glad you manage to
> get along with everyone in your day-to-day life.

Making a lot of assumptions, aren't we.

I am a well-known ass-kisser, bitch and troublemaker in my day-to-day
life.  But I'm happy that way so fuck off.

Ann

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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > At 07:40 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>You don't have to have done anything wrong to apologize. You can
> >> apologize for the misunderstanding.
> >
> > Whoa!  If I make a statement that you misunderstand, I should
> > apologize?
>
> People often do; it costs nothing and shows willingness to be a felicitous
> interlocutor.

It shows willingness to be a snide b*tch ...

> > Man, that takes PC to a new exponent.
>
> I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
> everything.

Probably the ones from Minnesota ...

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At 09:14 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 01:16 PM 6/10/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>>At 03:18 PM 6/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>>At 08:34 PM 6/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Well, I bought a basketball yesterday.
>>>
>>>Well I bought new lifting gloves yesterday.
>>>
>>>lisa
>>>who was laid up for nearly a week w/ two separate injuries.
>>
>>I bought a cocktail strainer.
>>
>>B
>
>You win!
>
>lisa

Yay!

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6/11/2003, 9:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> willingness to be a felicitous interlocutor.


dan

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> 6/11/2003, 9:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> willingness to be a felicitous interlocutor.
>
>
> dan

Felicitous in the Gricean sense.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>02003-06-11 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>> >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
>>
>> WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?
>
>I think it's some church thing we don't understand. Ha ha ha ha ...
>

I am curious to hear Karen's response.

alec

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6/11/2003, 9:36 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

cwv> At 08:34 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:

>>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
>>everything.

cwv> Yes, and <everyone> has travelled to Europe...

Well, not being a midwesterner, and not having travelled to Europe, I
guess I'm home free.  To me, excessive apologizing, or apologizing for
things you didn't do, is done by those who have no ego and/or are
heavily codependent.

dan

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>
> Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
> throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
> We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
>
> Ann

Will words-l be like the proverbial chicken?  Can we continue to run around with our
Maynor cut off ?

BrP

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02003-06-11 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/10/2003, 6:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Tushiebaby.  Is that
> >> interesting enough for words-fucking-l?
>
> TS> No, it's even more boring. But at least you are trying ... that's
> TS> a *good* thing!
>
>    I'm so happy that I'm pleasing the great tushiekins.

You aren't. I just said your trying was a good thing.

I apologize that you misunderstood my statement. (Which, btw, an
idiot with half a brain would have understood in a second).

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6/11/2003, 9:40 AM, Bonniemaev wrote:

B> Wow.  Not the Midwest I grew up in.  If witnessing a boring conversation,
B> my relatives would reach in their pocket, pull out a dime and tell the
B> speaker "here go tell someone who gives a shit".

   And updated a few years ago in a classic country song: "Here's a
   quarter, call someone who cares"


dan

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17:46 08.06.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>= hackneyed two cents: If in Barthelona, check out La Sagrada Familia and the
>
>Barthelona:  I'm taking Spanish from a woman from Tharagotha, who

And in Catalan they say Barcelona and not Barthelona.

Espen

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6/11/2003, 10:03 AM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:


PRB> Will words-l be like the proverbial chicken?  Can we continue to run around with our
PRB> Maynor cut off ?

 You take the freeway to the Slauson Cutoof, then you get out and cut
 off your Slauson.

 <cut to Carol Wayne in embrace with the man>

dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul R. Barfoot
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: family squabble?
>
>
>>
>> Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
>> throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do
>it, people!
>> We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
>>
>> Ann
>
>Will words-l be like the proverbial chicken?  Can we continue
>to run around with our
>Maynor cut off ?
>
>BrP
>

lol, thanks Paul for making my afternoon. I plan on being part of words-l.


alec

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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > 6/11/2003, 9:36 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >
> > cwv> At 08:34 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> >>>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
> >>> everything.
> >
> > cwv> Yes, and <everyone> has travelled to Europe...
> >
> > Well, not being a midwesterner, and not having travelled to Europe, I
> > guess I'm home free.  To me, excessive apologizing, or apologizing for
> > things you didn't do, is done by those who have no ego and/or are
> > heavily codependent.
>
> I guess I have no ego, then.

No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?

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> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?

When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.

Karen

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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:55 AM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>
>>
>>02003-06-11 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>>> >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
>>>
>>> WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?
>>
>>I think it's some church thing we don't understand. Ha ha ha ha ...
>>
>
> I am curious to hear Karen's response.

Reread what Carolyn said about matching styles.

Karen

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> 6/11/2003, 9:36 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> cwv> At 08:34 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
>>> everything.
>
> cwv> Yes, and <everyone> has travelled to Europe...
>
> Well, not being a midwesterner, and not having travelled to Europe, I
> guess I'm home free.  To me, excessive apologizing, or apologizing for
> things you didn't do, is done by those who have no ego and/or are
> heavily codependent.

I guess I have no ego, then.

Karen

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At 08:36 AM 6/11/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/11/2003, 8:14 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> Important, unprecedented?  Sure.
> >>
> >> Any other words that will make you happy?
>
>KK> "I'm sorry for my part in it."
>
>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong? I
>     didn't insult Natalie and I didn't say I'd left in the past
>     because of her.  (assuming that going no mail counts as leaving,
>     of course)
>
>dan

But you did say exactly that.

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6/11/2003, 9:53 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
TS> I think Dan should be sent on a ferry past San Quentin, so he
TS> gets a reminder of good behavior. All in favor:

BTDT.  You want my opinion on criminals, listen to "Beer for My
Horses".  All the rope in Texas, tall oak trees, hanging them up for
the people to see, etc.  The fuckers that murdered my niece are still
sitting on their asses in Q some ten years later because the whining
California judges keep hearing pleas why they shouldn't get the gas or
whatever the hell they're <not> using there these days.


dan

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02003-06-11 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 03:48 PM 6/10/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> Are you flirting w/ me again?
> >
> >You are the one coming on to ME.
>
> Oh yeah.. that's right.. I forgot.

That's right .. walk away ... WALK AWAY!

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At 05:02 PM 6/11/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>Dan Lester wrote:
>
> > Feel free to forward the message I sent in last hour or two in which I
> > explained that I was NOT referring to Natalie in particular.  Forward
> > it to her or anybody else.
>
>A question both to you, Dan, and all others: Is it a good idea to send it
>to her?

No.

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6/11/2003, 9:57 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

>>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong? I
>>     didn't insult Natalie and I didn't say I'd left in the past
>>     because of her.  (assuming that going no mail counts as leaving,
>>     of course)
>>
>>dan

BC> But you did say exactly that.

      I did exactly what?

dan

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02003-06-11 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Personally I am quite bummed that Dr Maynor left. I think you
> > should apologize. Even if you don't, I AM glad you manage to
> > get along with everyone in your day-to-day life.
>
> Making a lot of assumptions, aren't we.
>
> I am a well-known ass-kisser, bitch and troublemaker in my day-to-day
> life.  But I'm happy that way so fuck off.

Sorry you misunderstood me. But I am sincerely glad you are "happy".

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:14 PM
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>
>
>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>
>When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
>
>Karen
>

Dinner of M&M would make my blood sugar skyrocket. Glad I don't like candy.


alec

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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:14 PM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: family squabble?
>>
>>
>>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>>
>>When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
>>
>>Karen
>>
>
> Dinner of M&M would make my blood sugar skyrocket. Glad I don't like
> candy.

Good for you!

Karen

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A fine example of a maynoresque diversion.

6/11/2003, 10:13 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?

KK> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.

KK> Karen


dan

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> A fine example of a maynoresque diversion.
>
> 6/11/2003, 10:13 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>
> KK> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
>
> KK> Karen

Mine or Tushar's? I mentioned having M&M's for dinner one night shortly
after I'd started working.

Karen

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> >What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
> >something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it an
> >American thing that I don't <get>?
> >Karen
>
>  One can find it
> unfortunate that there was a misunderstanding.  But one can only apologize
> for something that one has done wrong.  Seems like the meaning of the word
> to me.

I agree to Bonnie.

Kr.

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> Bonniemaev wrote:
>
>> >What is this idea that in order to apologize you have to have done
>> something wrong? Alec mentioned this, too. Is this a boy thing? Is it
>> an American thing that I don't <get>?
>> >Karen
>>
>>  One can find it
>> unfortunate that there was a misunderstanding.  But one can only
>> apologize for something that one has done wrong.  Seems like the
>> meaning of the word to me.
>
> I agree to Bonnie.

With Bonnie.

Karen

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At 10:10 AM 6/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>6/11/2003, 9:57 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong? I
> >>     didn't insult Natalie and I didn't say I'd left in the past
> >>     because of her.  (assuming that going no mail counts as leaving,
> >>     of course)
> >>
> >>dan
>
>BC> But you did say exactly that.
>
>       I did exactly what?

Check the archives if you wish but Pete quoted your exact words yesterday.
You said you have left/taken a break/whatever the list in the past
specifically because of Natalie. There was no other way for her to
interpret what you said.

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At 10:10 AM 6/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>6/11/2003, 9:57 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >>     And what am I supposed to be sorry for?  What did I do wrong? I
> >>     didn't insult Natalie and I didn't say I'd left in the past
> >>     because of her.  (assuming that going no mail counts as leaving,
> >>     of course)
> >>
> >>dan
>
>BC> But you did say exactly that.
>
>       I did exactly what?


say

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >
> > I agree to Bonnie.
>
> With Bonnie.

Oh, yeah, yes.

Kr.

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>
> PRB> Will words-l be like the proverbial chicken?  Can we continue to
run around with our
> PRB> Maynor cut off ?
>
>  You take the freeway to the Slauson Cutoof, then you get out and cut
>  off your Slauson.
>
>  <cut to Carol Wayne in embrace with the man>
>
> dan

You missed the fork in the road.

      - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Dan Lester wrote:
>
> > Feel free to forward the message I sent in last hour or two in which I
> > explained that I was NOT referring to Natalie in particular.
>
> A question both to you, Dan, and all others: Is it a good idea to send it to her?

I do not like the role I've taken for myself without intending it. I have got two answers
to my question, and although having respect for both, I'll take the risk of troubling
Natalie and send the message to her if there won't be other resolute "no-s" before I've
composed the forwarding message.

With that I only shall increase that role -- not being as close to her or knowing her as
long as many others, but after sending it I'd rather shake it off from my shoulders, if
possible.

Starting to think of a normal calm introducing sentence of the would-be forwarded message,

Kristin

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=
= I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
= everything.
=
= Karen

Hmmm.  There's a woman at work from Scotland who does this all
the time.

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> =
> = I think of it as Midwestern: Midwesterners apologize all the time for
> = everything.
> =
> = Karen
>
> Hmmm.  There's a woman at work from Scotland who does this all
> the time.

I didn't mean to imply that it's unique to Midwesterners.

Karen

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Heard as my radio scanner briefly visited
the Glenn Beck show . . .

" maybe it's God's way of saying 
  'don't make pets out of prairie dogs'!"

Same show, second time around the scan:

"Now it turns out it isn't just the prairie dogs
but prairie dogs and gambian rats.  Who buys
exotic rats for pets???"

                
                      - D. M.

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=
= Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
= throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
= We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
=
= Ann

Hmm.  I may feel the need to break out of here.

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I have unsubbed, left, been gone, said adios, split, took
off, etc.  I did not find it traumatic or personally
meaningful.  Sheesh.




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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>
> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.

Hm, no self-esteem at all, I see!

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
>
>>Dan Lester wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Feel free to forward the message I sent in last hour or two in which I
>>>explained that I was NOT referring to Natalie in particular.
>>>
>>A question both to you, Dan, and all others: Is it a good idea to send it to her?
>>
>
> I do not like the role I've taken for myself without intending it. I have got two answers
> to my question, and although having respect for both, I'll take the risk of troubling
> Natalie and send the message to her if there won't be other resolute "no-s" before I've
> composed the forwarding message.
>
> With that I only shall increase that role -- not being as close to her or knowing her as
> long as many others, but after sending it I'd rather shake it off from my shoulders, if
> possible.
>
> Starting to think of a normal calm introducing sentence of the would-be forwarded message,

Dear Natalie,


Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
and drive him away for a little while?




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02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> =
> = Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
> = throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
> = We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
> =
> = Ann
>
> Hmm.  I may feel the need to break out of here.

See you!

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02003-06-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
> and drive him away for a little while?

Because of mean people like you, the world sucks.

Apologize.

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6/11/2003, 10:31 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> A fine example of a maynoresque diversion.
>>
>> 6/11/2003, 10:13 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>>
>> KK> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
>>
>> KK> Karen

KK> Mine or Tushar's? I mentioned having M&M's for dinner one night shortly
KK> after I'd started working.

Yours.  The issue was sitting at the table for dinner.  You changed it
by offering an exception or qualification.


dan

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> 02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>>
>> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
>
> Hm, no self-esteem at all, I see!

I'm sorry.

Karen

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6/11/2003, 10:37 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

BC> Check the archives if you wish but Pete quoted your exact words yesterday.
BC> You said you have left/taken a break/whatever the list in the past
BC> specifically because of Natalie. There was no other way for her to
BC> interpret what you said.

I remember that.  I said that I'd left because of hassles, among many
other reasons.  I never said it was specifically because of any one
person.  Actually, most of the times were due to trying to "get a
life".  Hey, it may be time to get one again.

But then Bad Betty would have to apologize to me for chasing me away.
Assuming going nomail, or of deleting hundreds or thousands unread,
amounts to "going away".  Discuss.

dan

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6/11/2003, 10:38 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

>>BC> But you did say exactly that.
>>
>>       I did exactly what?


BC> say

     Yup, I've said lots of things.
     Those things don't include that I ever went nomail because of
     Natalie or any other specific person.

dan

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6/11/2003, 11:05 AM, Doris Markland wrote:

>>
>> PRB> Will words-l be like the proverbial chicken?  Can we continue to
DM> run around with our
>> PRB> Maynor cut off ?
>>
>>  You take the freeway to the Slauson Cutoof, then you get out and cut
>>  off your Slauson.
>>
>>  <cut to Carol Wayne in embrace with the man>
>>
>> dan

DM> You missed the fork in the road.

Thought of including it, but decided that the cut off was the relevant
part here.


dan

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6/11/2003, 11:38 AM, steph wrote:


s> Hmm.  I may feel the need to break out of here.

       Who will need to apologize to you?  All of us?

dan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-06-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
> > and drive him away for a little while?
>
> Because of mean people like you, the world sucks.
>
> Apologize.

No no no... Go into denial.  Make counter accusations.

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6/11/2003, 12:03 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

RC> I have unsubbed, left, been gone, said adios, split, took
RC> off, etc.  I did not find it traumatic or personally
RC> meaningful.  Sheesh.

     Neither did I.  Though I've never unsubbed, except from one
     account to sub from another.  Of course I never announced it
     either, though on one occasion bwp noticed it and asked if I was
     mad or something, but I was only changing accounts.

dan

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6/11/2003, 12:09 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>
>> Starting to think of a normal calm introducing sentence of the would-be forwarded
>> message,

RC> Dear Natalie,


RC> Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
RC> and drive him away for a little while?


     Rita, you just made my day.

     I've not had such a good laugh in a long time.


dan

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> >>
> >> 6/11/2003, 10:13 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
> >>
> >> KK> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
> >>
> >> KK> Karen

When you eat M&M's for dinner
you should set the table carefully
with tiny tiny china, silver, and crystal
and tiny tiny napkins.  And you should
wear a bib.  Just a bib.  That's the tiniest
thing I can think of.

I expect the only time I will ever eat
M&M's for dinner I will be wearing
a straitjacket.

             - D. M.

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6/11/2003, 12:27 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM>   And you should
DM> wear a bib.  Just a bib.  That's the tiniest
DM> thing I can think of.

     Can we get a .jpg of that?

dan

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> 6/11/2003, 10:31 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> A fine example of a maynoresque diversion.
>>>
>>> 6/11/2003, 10:13 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>
>>>>> No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
>>>
>>> KK> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
>>>
>>> KK> Karen
>
> KK> Mine or Tushar's? I mentioned having M&M's for dinner one night
> shortly KK> after I'd started working.
>
> Yours.  The issue was sitting at the table for dinner.  You changed it
> by offering an exception or qualification.

We'd talked about this previously, and I came out vigorously in favor of
table-eating. So this IS an exception to that rule. I'm not diverting the
topic.

Karen

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > =
= > = Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
= > = throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
= > = We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
= > =
= > = Ann
= >
= > Hmm.  I may feel the need to break out of here.
=
= See you!

What, does no one get my joke?

Oh, it's only Tushar and Dan.

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> I expect the only time I will ever eat
> M&M's for dinner I will be wearing
> a straitjacket.

Gee, thanks, Doris.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I expect the only time I will ever eat
> > M&M's for dinner I will be wearing
> > a straitjacket.
>
> Gee, thanks, Doris.
>
> Karen

No, Karen - <your> suggested attire is "bib-only".
It's Doris who needs to wear an entire straightjacket
to avoid getting "milk chocolate mess" on her hands.

clo

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I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media about
yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though it would be
newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.

BrP

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Notice:

If anyone has anything to say that they want me to see, do not post it under the
"family squabble?" subject heading.  From this point on I am deleting unread
anything with that subj.


BrP

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At 02:46 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media about
>yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though it would be
>newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.
>
>BrP

It made the front page of the Boston Globe.

Coincidentally, it's Pride Week here.

lisa

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> Coincidentally, it's Pride Week here.

This is Pride Month in the US. Everyone is having their parades now.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

> By the wonders of the internet and ultrasound
> I just saw a picture of my newest great grandchild
> who I swear is only a few hours old.  Well, weeks,
> perhaps.
>
> What will they think of next?

> It looks like a head and a spinal cord.

Only think of the first pages of personal photo albums: would one cry,
"how cute!" any more? But wonderful it is.

> This is gg # 5.

Awsome :)

Kristin

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It was on CNN, and on NBC Evening news last night.  Didn't see it on
local, but that's not surprising.


6/11/2003, 12:46 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

PRB> I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media about
PRB> yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though it would be
PRB> newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.



dan

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media about
>yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though it would be
>newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.

In some circles, NH's election of a gay (Episcopal) bishop is of much
greater interest.

Bethany

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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > No, Karen, you do sit down to a dinner don't you?
> >>
> >> When I eat M&M's for dinner, I don't sit at a table.
> >
> > Hm, no self-esteem at all, I see!
>
> I'm sorry.

Thank you.

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> > I expect the only time I will ever eat
> > M&M's for dinner I will be wearing
> > a straitjacket.
>
> Gee, thanks, Doris.
>
> Karen

That does not imply that you are crazy.
Just that it would be crazy for me.

           - P. C.
      (not politically correct . . but
      Putting things in context)

           - D. M.

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02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Notice:
>
> If anyone has anything to say that they want me to see, do not post it
> under the "family squabble?" subject heading.  From this point on I am
> deleting unread anything with that subj.

Thank god that idiot's gone!

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02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > =
> = > = Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
> = > = throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
> = > = We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.
> = > =
> = > = Ann
> = >
> = > Hmm.  I may feel the need to break out of here.
> =
> = See you!
>
> What, does no one get my joke?
>
> Oh, it's only Tushar and Dan.

Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!

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> It made the front page of the Boston Globe.


I'm glad to hear that it is being reported somewhere in the states.  There was
nothing about it in the Syracuse paper today and I also saw nothing on CNN, CBS or
NBC websites.

>
> Coincidentally, it's Pride Week here.


There are those who say that the timing of the decision - two weeks before Toronto
Pride ( in a city where tourism has been devastated by SARS and West Nile) - might
be less than coincidence.


>
> lisa

BrP

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At 12:14 PM 6/11/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/11/2003, 10:37 AM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>BC> Check the archives if you wish but Pete quoted your exact words yesterday.
>BC> You said you have left/taken a break/whatever the list in the past
>BC> specifically because of Natalie. There was no other way for her to
>BC> interpret what you said.
>
>I remember that.  I said that I'd left because of hassles, among many
>other reasons.  I never said it was specifically because of any one
>person.

Yes, you did.

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>> > I expect the only time I will ever eat
>> > M&M's for dinner I will be wearing
>> > a straitjacket.
>>
>> Gee, thanks, Doris.
>>
>> Karen
>
> That does not imply that you are crazy.
> Just that it would be crazy for me.
>
>            - P. C.
>       (not politically correct . . but
>       Putting things in context)

Well, it's a sign of too-much-stress-not-enough-time for me. And really,
the pathetic thing was that I only ate about 15 of them.

Karen

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02003-06-11 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> > Because of mean people like you, the world sucks.
> >
> > Apologize.
>
> No no no... Go into denial.  Make counter accusations.

Well 'Al, you are hardly the epitome of virtue here. I have
never seen worse overall behavior than yours. I especially
draw your attention to the word "hej"--a three-letter whirl-
pool of misunderstanding. The least you could do is apologize
for your participation in the misunderstanding.

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6/11/2003, 12:50 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>>I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media about
>>yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though it would be
>>newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.

BKD> In some circles, NH's election of a gay (Episcopal) bishop is of much
BKD> greater interest.

     That made national news as well. Saw it on evening news, CBS that
     night, I think.  Of course being a couple days earlier, and on
     the weekend, there's less for it to compete with.

dan

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02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media
> about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though
> it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.

It was mentioned ... it's being discussed in the thread "family squabbles".

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6/11/2003, 12:55 PM, Betty Clark wrote:

>>BC> Check the archives if you wish but Pete quoted your exact words yesterday.
>>BC> You said you have left/taken a break/whatever the list in the past
>>BC> specifically because of Natalie. There was no other way for her to
>>BC> interpret what you said.
>>
>>I remember that.  I said that I'd left because of hassles, among many
>>other reasons.  I never said it was specifically because of any one
>>person.

BC> Yes, you did.

Well, Bad Betty, believer whatever the fuck you want.  When we
rehashed it yesterday, I believe, others commented that they could see
how she might have inferred that (check the damn archives for exact
wording if you wanna play amateur lawyer), but that I didn't say that.

And I too am getting pretty tired of this BS, so maybe I'll have to go
away, or at least start deleting this thread like Br. P.

No, I won't let the door hit me in the ass.....

dan

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> >
> > If anyone has anything to say that they want me to see, do not post it
> > under the "family squabble?" subject heading.  From this point on I am
> > deleting unread anything with that subj.
>
> Thank god that idiot's gone!

lol. I thought Paul's notice might bring about discussion on who drove him
away from this thread.

Kristin

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> > elaborate - what exactly do you think the Vermont effect might be?
>
> Two things, actually. If it happens in Vermont, no one cares. And if
> Vermont does it first, no one cares about anyone doing it second.
>
> Karen

I'd go along with the no one cares part.

BrP

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> > Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
> > family deals with the issues.
> >
> > I think you owe ALL of us an apology.
> >
> > Ann
>
> In a family with anywhere up to eight sibs in the house at once, this strategy usually
> worked well for me - except that I never had my own room so it was usually the
> bathroom door I had to slam
>
>
> BrP


btw - if you hear loud farting noises they're faked to buy me more time

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>>
>> Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
>> family deals with the issues.
>>
>> I think you owe ALL of us an apology.
>>
>> Ann
>
> In a family with anywhere up to eight sibs in the house at once, this
> strategy usually worked well for me - except that I never had my own
> room so it was usually the bathroom door I had to slam

I do not see you as a door-slammer.

Karen

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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>
> >> Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
> >> family deals with the issues.
> >>
> >> I think you owe ALL of us an apology.
> >>
> >> Ann
> >
> > In a family with anywhere up to eight sibs in the house at once, this
> > strategy usually worked well for me - except that I never had my own
> > room so it was usually the bathroom door I had to slam
>
> I do not see you as a door-slammer.

Those aren't slamming noises, they are fartng noises.

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Life just got more interesting.

This from advocate.com :


After Tuesday's court ruling in the Canadian province of Ontario giving
same-sex couples the full legal right to marriage there, many gay men and
lesbians from the United States are asking if they too can get married up
north. "Basically, any couple from the United States can get married, but they
have to be married in Ontario," said Diane Sibley, executive director of
Licensing and Enforcement Services for the city of Windsor, Ontario. "But
we can't force another jurisdiction to accept our laws." Same-sex couples
from America need only meet Ontario's requirements for a marriage license,
Sibley adds, including supplying birth certificates, paying the $150 Canadian
processing fee, and providing details about where and when the ceremony
will take place in the country.

It's unclear what impact the Ontario court's ruling will have on gay couples
from the United States who travel across the border for a marriage license.
Currently, 37 U.S. states have laws banning recognition of marriages between
same-sex couples, regardless of where the marriages took place. But
disregarding a marriage from Canada could lead to court challenges, experts
say.

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02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> =
> = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
>
> Thank you for laughing.

I apologize.

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> I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media
> about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though
> it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.

Don't you think this is the Vermont effect?

Karen

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>
> BKD> In some circles, NH's election of a gay (Episcopal) bishop is of much
> BKD> greater interest.
>
>      That made national news as well. Saw it on evening news, CBS that
>      night, I think.  Of course being a couple days earlier, and on
>      the weekend, there's less for it to compete with.
>
> dan


  Yes.  The new bishop made the front page of the local paper here.  I think the lack
of interest here about yesterday's news has more to do with it being a Canadian
thing than a gay thing.

BrP

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> 02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media
> > about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though
> > it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.
>
> It was mentioned ... it's being discussed in the thread "family squabbles".


ah good - at least it's not being discussed in "family squabble?" which is the one I
am deleting

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> > I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media
> > about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though
> > it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.
>
> Don't you think this is the Vermont effect?
>
> Karen

elaborate - what exactly do you think the Vermont effect might be?


BrP

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> Notice:
>
> If anyone has anything to say that they want me to see, do not post it under the
> "family squabble?" subject heading.  From this point on I am deleting unread
> anything with that subj.

Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
family deals with the issues.

I think you owe ALL of us an apology.

Ann

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>> > I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US
>> media about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems
>> as though it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.
>>
>> Don't you think this is the Vermont effect?
>>
>> Karen
>
> elaborate - what exactly do you think the Vermont effect might be?

Two things, actually. If it happens in Vermont, no one cares. And if
Vermont does it first, no one cares about anyone doing it second.

Karen

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>
> Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
> family deals with the issues.
>
> I think you owe ALL of us an apology.
>
> Ann

In a family with anywhere up to eight sibs in the house at once, this strategy usually
worked well for me - except that I never had my own room so it was usually the
bathroom door I had to slam


BrP

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=
= Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!

Thank you for laughing.

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>> > Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of
>> the family deals with the issues.
>> >
>> > I think you owe ALL of us an apology.
>> >
>> > Ann
>>
>> In a family with anywhere up to eight sibs in the house at once, this
>> strategy usually worked well for me - except that I never had my own
>> room so it was usually the bathroom door I had to slam
>>
>>
>> BrP
>
>
> btw - if you hear loud farting noises they're faked to buy me more time

LOL. Now that I *DO* believe. BTDT, don't want to go back...

Karen

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02003-06-11 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > >
> > > If anyone has anything to say that they want me to see, do not post it
> > > under the "family squabble?" subject heading.  From this point on I am
> > > deleting unread anything with that subj.
> >
> > Thank god that idiot's gone!
>
> lol. I thought Paul's notice might bring about discussion on who drove him
> away from this thread.

Why discuss it? We know it was Natalie.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > Notice:
> >
> > If anyone has anything to say that they want me to see, do not post it under the
> > "family squabble?" subject heading.  From this point on I am deleting unread
> > anything with that subj.
>
> Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
> family deals with the issues.
>
> I think you owe ALL of us an apology.

:-)

My guess about some consequences: the number of  threads will increase explosively. So
that Paul will not know any more what might wait him behind which door.

Kristin

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02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > 02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the US media
> > > about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as though
> > > it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.
> >
> > It was mentioned ... it's being discussed in the thread "family squabbles".
>
>
> ah good - at least it's not being discussed in "family squabble?" which is
> the one I am deleting

You think you are real smart, aren't you?

*SLAM*

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no, he is not here

Kr.

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> >
> > btw - if you hear loud farting noises they're faked to buy me more time
>
> LOL. Now that I *DO* believe. BTDT, don't want to go back...
>
> Karen

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Unless you are reading the archives, Natalie - and I would be astonished
if you were - you cannot imagine what a large contribution you made to wl
when you <left>. Now of course we do not actually know whether you <left>,
because we have no agreement about what the word <gone> means. Bill
Clinton, move over. (But please stay on your side of the bed.)

(I continue to cc: all my wl posts to you because that you are a member of
the wl community, whatever your left/gone/etc. status at any given time.
You know - once baptized ... )

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:38 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Thank you, Natalie
>
>
>Unless you are reading the archives, Natalie - and I would be
>astonished
>if you were - you cannot imagine what a large contribution you
>made to wl
>when you <left>. Now of course we do not actually know whether
>you <left>,
>because we have no agreement about what the word <gone> means. Bill
>Clinton, move over. (But please stay on your side of the bed.)
>
>(I continue to cc: all my wl posts to you because that you are
>a member of
>the wl community, whatever your left/gone/etc. status at any
>given time.
>You know - once baptized ... )
>
>Bethany
>

Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
never left.

yay,


alec

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> Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
> never left.
>
> yay,
>
>
> alec

alec you are truly evil
I love you man

BrP

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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Anyone with a large family has resorted to fake farting at one time or
>> another.
>
> Really? I bet there are -some- families where nobody farts.  At all.
> Ever.

I think they've imploded by now.

Karen

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Ha ha ha ha ha
>
>This could get really bizarre, more bizarre than it is already:  we should
>all copy Natalie on every wl post!
>
>God, Bethany, you're more geniusy than the farter.

Thank you (blush)!

Bethany

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>
> Nothin' like a good ol' fashion gay political victory to spark tourism!
>
> lisa


Somebody should set up a mobile license van at the parade - at $150 per they could
really clean up.


BrP

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I do not see you as a door-slammer.

How about a fake farter!  That's genius, man.

Ann

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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> I do not see you as a door-slammer.
>
> How about a fake farter!  That's genius, man.

Anyone with a large family has resorted to fake farting at one time or
another.

Karen

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Anyone with a large family has resorted to fake farting at one time or
> another.

Really? I bet there are -some- families where nobody farts.  At all.
Ever.

Ann

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>
> Really? I bet there are -some- families where nobody farts.  At all.
> Ever.
>
> Ann

Only if you're British


BrP

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> (I continue to cc: all my wl posts to you because that you are a member of
> the wl community, whatever your left/gone/etc. status at any given time.
> You know - once baptized ... )

Ha ha ha ha ha

This could get really bizarre, more bizarre than it is already:  we should
all copy Natalie on every wl post!

God, Bethany, you're more geniusy than the farter.

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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this is the first time ever I've had to stifle laughter at a words-l post
that wasn't from Tushar.

Bethany!  You are a queen.  You are the passive-aggressive QUEEN !

Ann

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> God, Bethany, you're more geniusy than the farter.
>
> Ann


Ok now you all have to end me cards on sunday

you know
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because sunday is Farter's Day


BrP

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At 11:53 AM 6/11/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > Coincidentally, it's Pride Week here.
>
>This is Pride Month in the US. Everyone is having their parades now.
>
>Karen

Umm yeah.. I know that.

lisa
it's more than just a parade

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At 03:02 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>There are those who say that the timing of the decision - two weeks before
>Toronto Pride ( in a city where tourism has been devastated by SARS and
>West Nile) - might be less than coincidence.

Nothin' like a good ol' fashion gay political victory to spark tourism!

lisa



> >
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>BrP

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
>never left.
>
>yay,

Yo! Hotel WL! You can check out, but you can never leave!

Bethany

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> > (I continue to cc: all my wl posts to you because that you are a member of
> > the wl community, whatever your left/gone/etc. status at any given time.
> > You know - once baptized ... )
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha
>
> This could get really bizarre, more bizarre than it is already:  we should
> all copy Natalie on every wl post!

Now, that would be driving away! To erehwon, perhaps.

> God, Bethany, you're more geniusy than the farter.

Kristin

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > God, Bethany, you're more geniusy than the farter.
> >
> > Ann
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> Ok now you all have to end me cards on sunday
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> you know
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> because sunday is Farter's Day

lol. we will end them. yes. maybe.

Kristin

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6/11/2003, 1:53 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>> Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
>> never left.
>>
>> yay,
>>
>>
>> alec

PRB> alec you are truly evil
PRB> I love you man

     Hey guys, I love you both.



brother dan

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At 04:07 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > Nothin' like a good ol' fashion gay political victory to spark tourism!
> >
> > lisa
>
>
>Somebody should set up a mobile license van at the parade - at $150 per
>they could
>really clean up.
>
>
>BrP

Put it next to the beer cart and they'll double their revenue.

lisa

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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >this is the first time ever I've had to stifle laughter at a words-l post
> >that wasn't from Tushar.
> >
> >Bethany!  You are a queen.  You are the passive-aggressive QUEEN !
>
> I'll take that crown!
>
> And wear it!
>
> PAQ for the day!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bethany

What was the name of that sleezeball that hosted the original Queen for a Day?
God that was an awful show. A revival would probably do really well.


BrP

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>
> I wonder if he knows he can go blind doing that?

Could you resend that in a larger font?

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At 12:47 PM 6/11/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> I do not see you as a door-slammer.
> >
> > How about a fake farter!  That's genius, man.
>
>Anyone with a large family has resorted to fake farting at one time or
>another.

Not!

Last of nine.

B

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On 11 Jun 2003 at 16:19, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> What was the name of that sleezeball that hosted the original Queen for a
> Day? God that was an awful show. A revival would probably do really well.
>

Jack Bailey

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>this is the first time ever I've had to stifle laughter at a words-l post
>that wasn't from Tushar.
>
>Bethany!  You are a queen.  You are the passive-aggressive QUEEN !

I'll take that crown!

And wear it!

PAQ for the day!

Thanks!

Bethany

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At 01:12 PM 6/11/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/11/2003, 12:55 PM, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> >>BC> Check the archives if you wish but Pete quoted your exact words
> yesterday.
> >>BC> You said you have left/taken a break/whatever the list in the past
> >>BC> specifically because of Natalie. There was no other way for her to
> >>BC> interpret what you said.
> >>
> >>I remember that.  I said that I'd left because of hassles, among many
> >>other reasons.  I never said it was specifically because of any one
> >>person.
>
>BC> Yes, you did.
>
>Well, Bad Betty, believer whatever the fuck you want.  When we
>rehashed it yesterday, I believe, others commented that they could see
>how she might have inferred that (check the damn archives for exact
>wording if you wanna play amateur lawyer), but that I didn't say that.
>
>And I too am getting pretty tired of this BS, so maybe I'll have to go
>away, or at least start deleting this thread like Br. P.
>
>No, I won't let the door hit me in the ass.....

Whatever. I'm sure you know best. Bye!

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At 10:24 PM 6/11/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>no, he is not here
>
>Kr.

I wonder if he knows he can go blind doing that?

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At 03:53 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
> > never left.
> >
> > yay,
> >
> >
> > alec
>
>alec you are truly evil
>I love you man
>
>BrP

Oh, another evil twin!  I agree.

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6/11/2003, 1:54 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
>>never left.
>>
>>yay,

BKD> Yo! Hotel WL! You can check out, but you can never leave!

      Indeed.  As my license plate says, TAKITEZ, Bethany.

dan

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6/11/2003, 2:19 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:


PRB> What was the name of that sleezeball that hosted the original Queen for a Day?
PRB> God that was an awful show. A revival would probably do really well.

   Probably so.  Wonder if it is on the Soap Channel or something.  I
   know it wasn't a soap in the classic sense, but it was a soaper.


dan

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6/11/2003, 2:25 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>>
>> I wonder if he knows he can go blind doing that?

PRB> Could you resend that in a larger font?

Oh, I can read it with my glasses on.  I knew when to stop.

dan

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> At 04:07 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Nothin' like a good ol' fashion gay political victory to spark tourism!
> > >
> > > lisa
> >
> >
> >Somebody should set up a mobile license van at the parade - at $150 per
> >they could
> >really clean up.
> >
> >
> >BrP
>
> Put it next to the beer cart and they'll double their revenue.
>
> lisa

THE beer cart??? Canada, Lisa, Canada.  Molson's sponsors the parade.


BrP

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> On 11 Jun 2003 at 16:19, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > What was the name of that sleezeball that hosted the original Queen for a
> > Day? God that was an awful show. A revival would probably do really well.
> >
>
> Jack Bailey

ah yes.  thanks   I watched it a few times as a kid - with the fascination that one
watches a train wreck.  Even at 5 I knew all the ladies were lying.  They just
reminded me of all the people who used to show up at out door with a sob story
looking for a handout - and Bailey reminded me of the guy down the street who ran
the funeral home and used car lot.


BrP

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02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It will be like she has
> > never left.
> >
> > yay,
> >
> >
> > alec
>
> alec you are truly evil
> I love you man

*FARRRRRTT*

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At 04:35 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > At 04:07 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nothin' like a good ol' fashion gay political victory to spark tourism!
> > > >
> > > > lisa
> > >
> > >
> > >Somebody should set up a mobile license van at the parade - at $150 per
> > >they could
> > >really clean up.
> > >
> > >
> > >BrP
> >
> > Put it next to the beer cart and they'll double their revenue.
> >
> > lisa
>
>THE beer cart??? Canada, Lisa, Canada.  Molson's sponsors the parade.
>
>
>BrP

hahaha my bad.. my bad.

Smirnoff and Budweiser are sponsoring ours. Personally, I'm not claming
pride until Stoli and Sam Adams sponsor us.

lisa

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> Let's keep this conversation going!  I think we could make it last
> throughout the summer, don't you?  I am serious!  We can do it, people!
> We owe it to our founder, mainstay, and main fodder producer.

Well, it's managing to produce fodder and keep the daily bandwidth flowing.

All this phatic drivel might drive people off the list.

--
Sylvia Edwards
who's sorry she can resist temptation

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:32 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
>> > Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It
>will be like she has
>> > never left.
>> >
>> > yay,
>> >
>> >
>> > alec
>>
>> alec you are truly evil
>> I love you man
>
>*FARRRRRTT*
>

Oh,  my ass!

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Perhaps I should be explicit about your contribution, Natalie - we have
actually been discussing the meanings of <words>. Words! On words-l.
Amazing. Gone. Left. Meant. Etc.

The <topics> have been interesting, also - many variants of <family
squabble>.

Bethany

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6/11/2003, 2:43 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:


SE> All this phatic drivel might drive people off the list.

Since when?


dan

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:43 PM
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>
>
>Perhaps I should be explicit about your contribution, Natalie - we have
>actually been discussing the meanings of <words>. Words! On words-l.
>Amazing. Gone. Left. Meant. Etc.
>
>The <topics> have been interesting, also - many variants of <family
>squabble>.
>
>Bethany
>

No fair picking and choosing what messages you send her. All you are doing
is sucking up to her. Please cut the bull.


alec

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As some of you may recall, I give myself a nice birthday present eqach
year. Very occasionally, I give myself a nice unbirthday present. Today, I
went for the gold - I have a shiny new 17" Titanium complete with toys.

I also got a free iPod with it. Now I am going to rearrange my furniture
so I will have room for everything.

Then I will hook up my new router so I can have wireless access.

Bethany

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>No fair picking and choosing what messages you send her. All you are doing
>is sucking up to her. Please cut the bull.

Sure it's fair as long as it is principled. I do not forward others'
messages to her. I cc. all mine that do not quote others. No bull.

Bethany

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:08:47 -0500
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
>>and drive him away for a little while?
>>
>
> Because of mean people like you, the world sucks.


        I agree!


> Apologize.


        Kiss my happy red ass.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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This morning there was an e-mail message waiting. Someone had read my entry in the guest book at www.myrtos.org and it turns out that he was manager of the Yannis' pension the year before and the year after I did. Somehow we seem to have interlaced our visits to Myrtos so even if both of us were there four times for some fairly long stays over 6 years we were never there together. But we met some of the same people. Cool.

The other happening was that for almost two years I have tried to subscribe to the Athens News using their web side and subscription form. The last time I tried was in June last year. A couple of weeks ago I received an e-mail message from a lady in Athens who seemed slightly embarassed and asked if I still wished to subscribe after so long time. This is an extremely funny and also interesting and information rich piece of literature for people like me who don't read the Greek newspapers very well, so of course I said yes, and today in my mailbox was the June 6-12 issue of Athens News (it is a weekly now).

Espen

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Dan Lester wrote:
>
> 6/11/2003, 2:43 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> SE> All this phatic drivel might drive people off the list.
>
> Since when?
>
> dan

1991

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
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At 12:05 PM 6/11/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>You missed the fork in the road.

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

---Yogi Berra

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At 08:00 PM 6/11/2003 +0300, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>I do not like the role I've taken for myself without intending it. I have
>got two answers
>to my question, and although having respect for both, I'll take the risk
>of troubling
>Natalie and send the message to her if there won't be other resolute
>"no-s" before I've
>composed the forwarding message.

This is probably too late (our mail server was down for several hours) but
I vote to let Natalie alone.  Whatever is really bothering her, whatever
demons she may be wrestling, let her work it out.  No crimes were committed
and if insults were given, they were relatively on the same scale as
Natalie sometimes gave.  Let's drop it.

cwv

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6/11/2003, 3:18 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

SE> Dan Lester wrote:
>>
>> 6/11/2003, 2:43 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>
>> SE> All this phatic drivel might drive people off the list.
>>
>> Since when?
>>
>> dan

SE> 1991

  You mean there was no phatic drivel before 1991?  Having been here
  since the summer of 1990, I'll say that there was phatic drivel at
  that time, even though the late lamented proclaimer of phatic drivel
  wasn't yet here to so name it.

dan

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At 04:58 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> >No fair picking and choosing what messages you send her. All you are doing
> >is sucking up to her. Please cut the bull.
>
>Sure it's fair as long as it is principled. I do not forward others'
>messages to her. I cc. all mine that do not quote others. No bull.

Why?  If she needs a break from words-l, let her have it.

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Nice site!  I'd love to visit, too.

Betty

At 11:12 PM 6/11/2003 +0200, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>This morning there was an e-mail message waiting. Someone had read my
>entry in the guest book at www.myrtos.org and it turns out that he was
>manager of the Yannis' pension the year before and the year after I did.
>Somehow we seem to have interlaced our visits to Myrtos so even if both of
>us were there four times for some fairly long stays over 6 years we were
>never there together. But we met some of the same people. Cool.
>
>The other happening was that for almost two years I have tried to
>subscribe to the Athens News using their web side and subscription form.
>The last time I tried was in June last year. A couple of weeks ago I
>received an e-mail message from a lady in Athens who seemed slightly
>embarassed and asked if I still wished to subscribe after so long time.
>This is an extremely funny and also interesting and information rich piece
>of literature for people like me who don't read the Greek newspapers very
>well, so of course I said yes, and today in my mailbox was the June 6-12
>issue of Athens News (it is a weekly now).
>
>Espen

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Doris, the Kraftwerk fan, quoting:
> but prairie dogs and gambian rats.  Who buys
> exotic rats for pets???"

I took a web-look at Gambian rats.
They're pretty cool.  They grow to
the size of a house cat.

But, yeah, I've been wondering what
kind of an ass would try to make a
pet out of a prairie dog.

--
Richard      "he was a good man"

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>>Sure it's fair as long as it is principled. I do not forward others'
>>messages to her. I cc. all mine that do not quote others. No bull.
>
>Why?  If she needs a break from words-l, let her have it.

I have in no way interfered with her <break from words-l>.

Bethany

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> At 12:05 PM 6/11/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> >You missed the fork in the road.
>
> When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
>
> ---Yogi Berra

I actually did this recently. Thanks for reminding me.

This weekend I participated in a workshop in the D.C. area, on
fundraising  through the "Combined Federal Campaign" for
national nonprofit organizations, in my role as vice president
of the National Cued Speech Association. This is a tedious
responsibility, but important to deaf kids. It involves a certain
amount of politicking, and bureaucracy. Not what you'd call
a fun time. Correction. Not what I'd call a fun time, no matter
how you feel about it.

PS: Rashmi - on the way down, I hoped to stop and visit my
sister, who is living in Chadds Ford and working in Delaware
now. Instead I ended up seeing an old college friend in
Williamsport, PA, where I learned - oh, darn, Natalie won't see
it - that the Bay St. Louis branch of her company is closing and
laying off 120 workers.

Somewhere in there, I realized that the workshop was scheduled
to end at 4pm on Monday, during DC rush-hour traffic, and since
Baltimore also lies between me and home, I was looking at 2-3
hours of wait-time in 5mph bumper to bumper traffic. I started
looking for alternatives, and decided to head straight west across
Virginia, catching Rte 81 and coming up that way. Reaching the
junction of 66 and 81, I stopped for gas, and hearing a sound,
I looked up.

Above me on the telephone wire was an indigo bunting. I've
probably only seen 3 or 4 in my life, and the first one was when
I was 17 in Franklin W. Va, whence I went on a month-long
trip that involved caving, and a lot of free spirits (including
Vance, who first - well, let's draw the curtain on that memory).

I was 60 miles away - 30 south to Harrisonburg, and 30
west over Shenandoah Mtn. I couldn't be so close and not
take that detour. When I turned off Rte 220 just south of
town and saw the outcropping that juts from the hills sheltering
the campground and bar where I spent so many happy hours,
I started to cry. I knew that I had come home to myself.

I went in the little one-room bar, and Edna was still there
(though 80 now; she had cataract surgery that morning).
After some friendly talk, her son brought out the old caver's
logs, and I sat poring through them, looking at old names and
places, finding out "whatever happened to".

And while I sat there, the door opened,
and in walked a weatherbeaten man in his 50s; sunkissed
smiling with his eyes as well as his mouth. "Edna," he said,
"you told me if I came back, you would give me a free beer.
I'm back". "Are you in Charleston?" she asked him, and he
replied, "No, I'm in California". This caused me to turn and
look. "In California, and yet standing here at the same time.
That's some trick!" I said. He sat down next to me, and
we started to talk.

And it turned out that this man was not only a
contemporary caver, someone who had also rappelled the
274 feet into HellHole, who had sat at the table of the
Mountain King in Thorn-Sinnit, who had climbed the
Seneca Rocks; but this man was "Cappy" Pentz, a
legend among cavers, close friend of the larger-than-life
Sam "Piton", the "ManMountain" who won the quart-chugging
contest at OldTimers, fit into caves no one with his girth should
be able to manage, and taught surveying to both Cappy and my
dear old flame in the summer we met,
and in addition, Cappy had gone to grad school in Syracuse!

It was a happy hour, and I would gladly have stayed another
day when he urged, to see Sam, who "might show up", had I
not had Vance to return to. But while I am still with him, I am
trying hard to keep faith with V, and so I left to drive north,
arriving in Williamsport, where friends had offered me a bed,
at 3am. Rising at 6:30 am, I drove again, got to work only
2 hours late, and worked a full day.

The thought that I had followed my "blue bird" and found
exactly what I should find - old friends, new friends, and
a sense of certainty that my instincts can be trusted to guide
my steps - kept me happy and calm all through the inevitable
reproaches from Vance, who - even before he knew that I
had veered off the assigned itinerary - was jealous that I had
"wanted to go away" (to attend the board meeting, remember?).

It was a magical trip, and one I hope to imitate soon and often
again in my life.

clo

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02003-06-11 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> I vote to let Natalie alone.

Is this an election?

Apologize for your particiaption in this misunderstanding.

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02003-06-11 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
>   You mean there was no phatic drivel before 1991?  Having been here
>   since the summer of 1990, I'll say that there was phatic drivel at
>   that time, even though the late lamented proclaimer of phatic drivel
>   wasn't yet here to so name it.

Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once

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At 01:09 PM 6/11/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:


>Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
>and drive him away for a little while?

Hey Natalie---
Please stay the hell away and let Rita work it out on her own.

cwv

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At 12:16 PM 6/11/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:

>Oh sure, go to your room and slam the door shut while the rest of the
>family deals with the issues.
>
>I think you owe ALL of us an apology.

Hey, it's not our fault that your ferry rates have gone up.

cwv

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 10:51:33 AM, human powered vehicle wrote:

>>>This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.
>> Too bad that name doesn't "flow". I have no idea how to pronounce it.

> Oooh!  Can I play?

> mihalee  shik chent mihalee

Very close.

Karen

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 10:54:51 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-11 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>> >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
>>
>> WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?

> I think it's some church thing we don't understand. Ha ha ha ha ...

I don't go to church, dumbass.

Karen

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 5:12:43 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>>>Sure it's fair as long as it is principled. I do not forward others'
>>>messages to her. I cc. all mine that do not quote others. No bull.
>>
>>Why?  If she needs a break from words-l, let her have it.

> I have in no way interfered with her <break from words-l>.

LOL



Karen

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 5:33:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-11 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
>>   You mean there was no phatic drivel before 1991?  Having been here
>>   since the summer of 1990, I'll say that there was phatic drivel at
>>   that time, even though the late lamented proclaimer of phatic drivel
>>   wasn't yet here to so name it.

> Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
> who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once

Paul Stone.

Karen

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> Above me on the telephone wire was an indigo bunting. I've
> probably only seen 3 or 4 in my life, and the first one was when
> I was 17 in Franklin W. Va,...

What a wonderful story, and certainly time well spent!  I saw my first
indigo bunting this year, in my front yard.  I haven't noticed him lately,
but he was a visitor for a few weeks.

Terry

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Cool <magical trip> - thanks for sharing!

Bethany

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02003-06-11 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 10:54:51 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-11 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> >> >I'm glad you and Heide get along well.
> >>
> >> WTF does Heide and my relationship have to do with this conversation?
>
> > I think it's some church thing we don't understand. Ha ha ha ha ...
>
> I don't go to church, dumbass.

I am glad you are at peace.

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> > On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> I do not see you as a door-slammer.
> >
> > How about a fake farter!  That's genius, man.
>
> Anyone with a large family has resorted to fake farting at one time or
> another.
>
> Karen

I see that this could lead to at least two new
threads, either of which could eventually
knock a couple more people off the list.
Who should we go for?

                - D. M.

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>
> (I continue to cc: all my wl posts to you because that you are a
member of
> the wl community, whatever your left/gone/etc. status at any given
time.
> You know - once baptized ... )
>
> Bethany

But the question is whether or not Natalie made
a public declaration that she would no longer have
intercourse with wordslers.

                           - D. M.

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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Anyone with a large family has resorted to fake farting at one time
or
> > another.
>
> Really? I bet there are -some- families where nobody farts.  At all.
> Ever.
>
> Ann

Worse yet, I suspect there are families who do . .
but it's odorless.

            - D. M.

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>   And updated a few years ago in a classic country song: "Here's a
>   quarter, call someone who cares"


>dan

As found at http://www.lyricscafe.com/t/tritt_travis/016.htm
AS


Here's A Quarter (Call Someone Who Cares)
(Travis Tritt)

You say you were wrong to ever leave me alone
You're sorry, you're lonesome, and scared
And you say you'd be happy if you could just come back home
Well, here's a quarter, call someone who cares

Call someone who'll listen, and might give a damn
Maybe one of your sordid affairs
But, don't you come 'round here handin' me none of your lines
Here's a quarter, call someone who cares

I though what we had could never turn bad
So your leavin' caught me unaware
But the fact is you've run, girl, that can't be undone
So, here's a quarter, call someone who cares

Repeat Chorus

Yeah, here's a quarter, call someone who cares

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 01:09 PM 6/11/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>> Dan is becoming annoying again.  Could you please come back
>> and drive him away for a little while?
>
>
> Hey Natalie---
> Please stay the hell away and let Rita work it out on her own.


        OK, picture me rolling my eyeballs at you and sighing really,
really loudly.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>But the question is whether or not Natalie made
>a public declaration that she would no longer have
>intercourse with wordslers.

Not mine. (Question.)

(Is it time to talk about the sound of one hand clapping?)

I confes: Natalie and I have continued to have intercourse. We have
periodically had intercourse since about 1976.

Bethany

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>
> What was the name of that sleezeball that hosted the original Queen
for a Day?
> God that was an awful show. A revival would probably do really well.
>
>
> BrP

I don't remember.  But I do remember that one day my
3 year old niece was watching the show and later
described it to me . . .
"and then they were married and the man
lifted up her dress and kissed her."

               - D. M.

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Terry Wild wrote:

>> Above me on the telephone wire was an indigo bunting. I've
>> probably only seen 3 or 4 in my life, and the first one was when
>> I was 17 in Franklin W. Va,...
>
>
> What a wonderful story, and certainly time well spent!  I saw my first
> indigo bunting this year, in my front yard.  I haven't noticed him lately,
> but he was a visitor for a few weeks.


        A fucking *dove* has built her nest on the back of my
baskeball hoop.  And it has eggs in it.  Damn those stupid
birds.





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>        A fucking *dove* has built her nest on the back of my
baskeball hoop.  And it has eggs in it.  Damn those stupid
birds.

Peace.

AS

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> > >This is what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls 'Flow'. It's a great thing.
> >
> > Too bad that name doesn't "flow". I have no idea how to pronounce it.

Sounds too much like Virupaksha Moshagundam (or whatever) to me.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I am astonished - though I shouldn't be - at the silence in the
> US media about yesterday's Ontario Court of Appeal decision.  It seems as
though
> it would be newsworthy here even though it's about Canada.

There was an article about it in my newspaper today, but it was rather
buried.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-06-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> OK, picture me rolling my eyeballs at you and sighing really,
> really loudly.

Mmmmmmmm ... YEAH BABY!

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On Fri, 24 May 2002 20:53:30 -0500 Natalie Maynor said;
>> You are the exception, though. Let's see: Judith, Neal, (where's Tony?),
>> Elwood, Marty, (Block Island was hostless, eh?), Jim, ... Karen next?

> You left out Chris and Carol -- of Salmonbake.  They vanished.  Marty
> doesn't really count in the picture since he hadn't really been around
> much for ages before he hosted.

> Tony is surely still with us.  He sometimes lapses into silence, but I
> know he will return.  Maybe he's still celebrating Victoria Day.
Gentle Natalie,
   I still believe that Elwood might appear again, someday.  I know that he reads
the archives when he is able to.

Peace,
Elwood P.

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02003-06-11 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> (Is it time to talk about the sound of one hand clapping?)

The least interesting philosophical topic? No thanks ...
Fake farts!

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>   You mean there was no phatic drivel before 1991?  Having been here
>   since the summer of 1990, I'll say that there was phatic drivel at
>   that time, even though the late lamented proclaimer of phatic drivel
>   wasn't yet here to so name it.
>
> dan

I'd agree with that. There was more linguistic talk but there was a lot of
what later became known as phatic drivel.

I wish the Google archives went back to 1990. For Words-L they only seem to
go back to 1992. I'd like to see how I contributed when I was just <a kid>.

--Adam

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> A fucking *dove* has built her nest on the back of my
> baskeball hoop.  And it has eggs in it.  Damn those stupid
> birds.
>
>


I have 2! Acadian Flycatcher nests on the patio.  I knew about the 1st, she
comes every year, but I didn't even see the second one being built and I go
out that door nearly everyday!  I really don't mind except they crap all
over the place and sit on my clothes line nearby thus causing me extra wash.

Terry

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On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, Elwood P. Dowd wrote:
>    I still believe that Elwood might appear again, someday.  I know that he reads
> the archives when he is able to.

Elwood, baby!!! I miss you!

Karen

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I began subscribing to Investor's Business Daily a few months ago. One
delightful surprise has been the profiles of successful people - in many
fields. The profile today is about PGWodehouse. Did you know that he
published 97 novels? And was at work on one when he died at age 93? He
published his first in 1902 at the age of 20. He wrote very detailed
outlines - usually running 30,000 words.

Bethany

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02003-06-11 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> I began subscribing to Investor's Business Daily a few months ago. One
> delightful surprise has been the profiles of successful people - in many
> fields. The profile today is about PGWodehouse. Did you know that he
> published 97 novels? And was at work on one when he died at age 93? He
> published his first in 1902 at the age of 20. He wrote very detailed
> outlines - usually running 30,000 words.

Wodehouse was a freakin' genius and some day we will understand the
true depth of his accomplishment. Hopefully, soon after, all lamers
who say he wrote "satirical fiction about the upper class", or treat
him as a content-provider for cute PBS-worthy playlets, or describe
some other author as "just like Wodehouse but with American characters"
etc will get their stupid butts whipped ... For today, let us see how
Wodehouse teaches us about the stupidity of every single "work at home"
ad from the telecommuting age ... Wodehouse worked for no boss and he
worked from home, but he always showed up at his "office" on time. It
was an office of one, but in true Confucian style, he wore a business
suit to work. Conclude what you may ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Wodehouse was a freakin' genius and some day we will understand the
> true depth of his accomplishment.

etc.
Tushar, if you appreciate the genius of Wodehouse, I may permit
you to buy me that drink yet.

clo

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> thought. Three minutes into my run my leg was tight. I stopped,
> stretchedand continued for another two minutes before I heard/felt
> something pop in
> my calf. It took me 15 minutes to hobble home.

Lisa, are you sure you didn't (partially) rupture your Achille's tendon?

Sorry to hear about all this. Damn.

Marie

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> >
> > I wonder if he knows he can go blind doing that?
>
> Could you resend that in a larger font?
>
No, but I could talk slow and shout close to your ear.
Bend over. Farther.

clo

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> This is probably too late (our mail server was down for several hours) but
> I vote to let Natalie alone.  Whatever is really bothering her, whatever
> demons she may be wrestling, let her work it out.  No crimes were committed
> and if insults were given, they were relatively on the same scale as
> Natalie sometimes gave.  Let's drop it.
>
> cwv
>

I'm pretty sure Southern ladies do not wrestle demons.


And you know what's really bothering her.


Did I happen to mention in my On The Road whtm that
the guy I met was named "Clyde"?

clo

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> > thought. Three minutes into my run my leg was tight. I stopped,
> > stretchedand continued for another two minutes before I heard/felt
> > something pop in
> > my calf. It took me 15 minutes to hobble home.
>
> Lisa, are you sure you didn't (partially) rupture your Achille's
tendon?
>
> Sorry to hear about all this. Damn.
>
> Marie

I snapped a muscle in my calf once.  Yes, I heard it!
And it felt like someone had slapped me hard in the
leg with a two by four.  I was travelling at the time and
had to limp and whine until I got home and saw a doctor.
He put my leg in a cast for several weeks.  It was a no
fun experience.

I hope yours is not that bad, Lisa.  But you might
need to see a doctor.

            - D. M.

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

l

>
> cwv
>

I'm pretty sure Southern ladies do not wrestle demons.


Sort of depends on the guise taken by the rascally demons.

Cobpony







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Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:
Tushar Samant wrote:

> Wodehouse was a freakin' genius and some day we will understand the
> true depth of his accomplishment.

etc.
Tushar, if you appreciate the genius of Wodehouse, I may permit
you to buy me that drink yet.

clo

Ah, Tushar is passionate about Wodehouse.  A bit of a good sign...

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Does anyone have trouble with small 1/4" bees burrowing into their potted
plants?  These things are getting bothersome.  It doesn't appear that they
are harming the plant.

Terry

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 10:38:19 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
> Does anyone have trouble with small 1/4" bees burrowing into their potted
> plants?  These things are getting bothersome.  It doesn't appear that they
> are harming the plant.

Are these orchard mason bees? I think that's what they are called. My
memory is that don't sting. You can google on 'em--Karsten made homes
for them, to encourage them.

Karen

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Dan Lester wrote:
>
> 6/11/2003, 3:18 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> SE> Dan Lester wrote:
> >>
> >> 6/11/2003, 2:43 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> >>
> >> SE> All this phatic drivel might drive people off the list.
> >>
> >> Since when?
> >>
> >> dan
>
> SE> 1991
>
>   You mean there was no phatic drivel before 1991?  Having been here
>   since the summer of 1990, I'll say that there was phatic drivel at
>   that time, even though the late lamented proclaimer of phatic drivel
>   wasn't yet here to so name it.

OK, drivel has been driving the list since 1990. How many people have
been been here since then?


Sylvia Edwards
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I remember a Giggles post/exposition on "I'm sorry because
you're upset" vs. "I'm sorry because I did such and such".

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Just saw the Cup on Letterman tonight. It's beautiful.

PS Congratulations, Marie.

PS2  I'm glad Richard was spared the sight of the Ducks winning the cup.

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Lisa:

>thought. Three minutes into my run my leg was tight. I stopped,
>stretchedand continued for another two minutes before I heard/felt
>something pop in
>my calf. It took me 15 minutes to hobble home.
[...]
>The worse wound is really in my head, I felt pretty beat up and was very
>frustrated by not being able to work out for most of last week.

Ouch! Sounds painful and frustrating. Hope you're well-rested
and completely healed before you resume your work-out
regimen.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > =
= > = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
= >
= > Thank you for laughing.
=
= I apologize.

What for?  Were you laughing insincerely because you really
didn't get my Outbreak joke?

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23:00 11.06.2003 -0500 skrev Sylvia Edwards:
>Dan Lester wrote:
>>
>> 6/11/2003, 3:18 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>
>> SE> Dan Lester wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 6/11/2003, 2:43 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
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>> >> SE> All this phatic drivel might drive people off the list.
>> >>
>> >> Since when?
>> >>
>> >> dan
>>
>> SE> 1991
>>
>>   You mean there was no phatic drivel before 1991?  Having been here
>>   since the summer of 1990, I'll say that there was phatic drivel at
>>   that time, even though the late lamented proclaimer of phatic drivel
>>   wasn't yet here to so name it.
>
>OK, drivel has been driving the list since 1990. How many people have
>been been here since then?

I was off the list for a couple of years in the 90ies but I joined first time in late 1989 (just after the list started)

Espen

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I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now things are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:

http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/

I am afraid all the text is in Norwegian (or Danish in some cases) but if you click on "Virtuelle album" you can just browse by clicking. This is the first album in a series of 12, a scrapbook series so to speak. The scrapbooks concern a family in Norway and goes from about 1825 to 1920. One of the family members (a later album) was a painter so some of the scrapbooks include pieces by for instance Picasso. The family (Diriks) was related to the Norwegian Munch-family so in a later stuff there is quite a lot about (and some pieces by) Edvard Munch, and quite a few other painters are included. The first album which we publish now mainly concerns Carl Edvard Diriks, at first an officer in the Norwegian Navy and later in charge of the Norwegfian lighthouses. He was pretty good at drawing so there are quite a few marine and coastal landscape drawings, water paints etc. in this album. And there is a funny series of drawings from his midshipman period in the late 1820ies. Enjoy it!
  if yo
u like this kind of thing!

Espen

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Wodehouse was a freakin' genius and some day we will understand the
>true depth of his accomplishment. Hopefully, soon after, all lamers

Tushar, your best yet!

Another detail: in 1914, some issues of Vanity Fair were comprised almost
solely of articles written by PGW under various pseudonyms.

Bethany

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>Lisa:
>>The worse wound is really in my head, I felt pretty beat up and was very
>>frustrated by not being able to work out for most of last week.

Yup.  That's the problem with addictions.  Withdrawal is so darn hard.


bonnie

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A new Steely Dan album!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classicpop/reviews/steelydan_go.shtml

AS

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Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 11:00:35 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> OK, drivel has been driving the list since 1990. How many people have
> been been here since then?

Me.

Karen

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I've been hearing a bit of this on the radio, and it sounds pretty good, but I'm thinking I need the new <Metallica>!

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:40 pm
Subject: "Everything Must Go"

> A new Steely Dan album!
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classicpop/reviews/steelydan_go.shtml
>
> AS
>

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Lynne,
You're back! How is your husband?
clo

Lynne Weber wrote:

> Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Wodehouse was a freakin' genius and some day we will understand the
> > true depth of his accomplishment.
>
> etc.
> Tushar, if you appreciate the genius of Wodehouse, I may permit
> you to buy me that drink yet.
>
> clo
>
> Ah, Tushar is passionate about Wodehouse.  A bit of a good sign...
>
> Cobpony
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).

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Terry Wild wrote:

> Does anyone have trouble with small 1/4" bees burrowing into their potted
> plants?  These things are getting bothersome.  It doesn't appear that they
> are harming the plant.
>
> Terry

Burrowing? Are you sure it isn't yellowjackets?
Bothersome doesn't begin to describe it - they are aggressive
and attack in teams. I have had multiple (over 20) stings from
a nest of them a couple of times as a kid, and it was traumatic.

I suggest yellowjackets because they will nest in the ground.

clo

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6/11/2003, 5:08 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
>> who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once

KK> Paul Stone.

   Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
   standard terminology.

dan

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6/11/2003, 6:20 PM, Doris Markland wrote:


DM> I don't remember.  But I do remember that one day my
DM> 3 year old niece was watching the show and later
DM> described it to me . . .
DM> "and then they were married and the man
DM> lifted up her dress and kissed her."

     Must have been the X rated version.

dan

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> 6/11/2003, 5:08 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
>>> who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once
>
> KK> Paul Stone.
>
>    Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
>    standard terminology.

No.

Karen

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>> 6/11/2003, 5:08 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>> Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
>>>> who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once
>>
>> KK> Paul Stone.
>>
>>    Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
>>    standard terminology.
>
> No.

Are you thinking diegesis?

Karen

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With only three weeks left until July 4th, here's the weather report in
Unreal Maine:  highs in the low 70s, lows in the low 50s to upper
40s.  Bring a sweatshirt for cool evenings and even cooler early mornings!

Is a 6:30 reservation on July 3rd at Mache Bistro a good time for
everyone?  We have two tables of four: Betty, Larry, Bonnie, Clyde, Queen
LaTina, Lisa, Rashmi, Adam.

Is a 6:30 reservation on July 2nd at Havana's good for Rashmi and
Adam?  That's a table for four: Rashmi, Adam, Bonnie, Clyde.

As stated on the web page, wordslers are on their own for food and
entertainment on July 4th.  There is a 10 a.m. parade which is
most-pleasantly viewed over a latte at the Internet Cafe on Cottage
Street.  There is an early pancake breakfast from 6 until 9 at the Athletic
Field on lower Main Street.   Right after the parade a lobster feast starts
at that same location.  Hot dogs and pies and such are also sold.  Face
painting is usually available for the kids along with other booths.  There
is live music off and on throughout the day at several locations in the
village.  And, of course, there is all of Acadia National Park to explore.
All and sundry are welcome to stop by our place for a beer and a chat at
any time during the day from 10 a.m. until 10 p.m.

The drop-in policy is the same on July 5th.  On that day, Saturday, there
will be a meal for everyone, starting around 5 p.m.


bonnie

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In case anyone is interested or needs to know, Natalie assured me
several days ago that she is still coming to Acadiafest.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >>
> >> KK> Paul Stone.

    Of Anne Arundel Community College.

> >>    Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
> >>    standard terminology.
> >
> > No.
>
> Are you thinking diegesis?

    AKA "lying".

JMW

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >> KK> Paul Stone.
>
>     Of Anne Arundel Community College.
>
>> >>    Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
>> standard terminology.
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> Are you thinking diegesis?
>
>     AKA "lying".

Only if you think storytelling is lying.

Karen

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>> mihalee  shik chent mihalee
> Very close.

So is this person just a spewer
of New Age crap, or what?

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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>> Karen:
>>>>     AKA "lying".
>>> Only if you think storytelling is lying.
>>
>> A time comes when you should make
>> the distinction between a set of
>> facts and a funny tale.
>>
>> That man sure could tell a good
>> story, though.
>
> Yes.

P.S. I'm not surprised that Paul is related to him.

Karen

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> PS2  I'm glad Richard was spared the sight of the Ducks winning the cup.

Well, it's just that preposterous name.
And the _pretention_ of saying it as
"The Mighty Ducks of Anaheim".  Huh?

Having to endure shots of the weirdly
shaped Michael Eisner (alongside the
apparently catatonic AL MICHAELS!!!)
was disturbing, too.

Worst of all was those two trolls
and the marriage proposal.  I can't
be the only one who was yelling "Say
no!  Say NOOOOOOO!", can I?

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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> Karen:
>>>     AKA "lying".
>> Only if you think storytelling is lying.
>
> A time comes when you should make
> the distinction between a set of
> facts and a funny tale.
>
> That man sure could tell a good
> story, though.

Yes.

Karen

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>>> mihalee  shik chent mihalee
>> Very close.
>
> So is this person just a spewer
> of New Age crap, or what?

Huh? There's nothing New Age about him at all. He's a psychologist, and
he's published a gazillion books on various aspects of the subject.

I'm trying to remember the story, but I don't still have all the details
in my brain. I think he was studying play, and when he interviewed
rockclimbers, they all talked of the experience that Lisa described so
eloquently. This was before 'in the zone' became a common expression.

Anyway, he looked at rockclimbers, and then decided to throw in brain
surgeons--they also experience this state. Then he started looking more at
work than at play, and he published some interesting stuff.

Actually, the most interesting thing to me about this was that not
everyone experiences this, or experiences it rarely.

Karen

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> he's published a gazillion books on various aspects of the subject.

Ah, O.K.  The "flow" thing threw me.

> not everyone experiences this, or experiences it rarely.

Huh.  I find that odd, too.

But then, I was 30 years old before
I realized that not everyone's memory
works the way mine does.

Kinda slow at times, I am.

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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>> he's published a gazillion books on various aspects of the subject.
>
> Ah, O.K.  The "flow" thing threw me.

I was able to get the first book detailing all the boring studies, from my
p.l. I only read bits of it.

>> not everyone experiences this, or experiences it rarely.
>
> Huh.  I find that odd, too.

Yes. I suspect Wordslers are high on the Flow Meter.

> But then, I was 30 years old before
> I realized that not everyone's memory
> works the way mine does.

Mine functions poorly, if at all.

> Kinda slow at times, I am.

I'm still discovering things like that.

But of course now I have Evil Twins(tm), so I don't worry about it as much.

Karen

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At 04:26 AM 6/12/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Just saw the Cup on Letterman tonight. It's beautiful.
>
>PS Congratulations, Marie.
>
>PS2  I'm glad Richard was spared the sight of the Ducks winning the cup.

They brought it out during the BB game last night.  Pretty exciting.

Betty

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Marie:
> >but I'm thinking I need the new <Metallica>!
>
> I'm thinking you don't and also
> thinking you'll be thankful for
> this tip.

Marie,
Have you heard it yet? Is it good? I need a new long-distance
drive CD. This could be it!
clo

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Karen:
>>     AKA "lying".
> Only if you think storytelling is lying.

A time comes when you should make
the distinction between a set of
facts and a funny tale.

That man sure could tell a good
story, though.

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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Marie:
>but I'm thinking I need the new <Metallica>!

I'm thinking you don't and also
thinking you'll be thankful for
this tip.

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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The Star Spangled Ice Cream Co, billing itself as the Coservative alternative to
Ben & Jerry,  is selling:
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I hate the French Vanilla
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Is Mallard Fillmore one of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim?

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> Is Mallard Fillmore one of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim?

In case you are really asking about MF and not just being funny - Mallard Fillmore is
a conservative political cartoon.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:03 AM
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>
>
>In case anyone is interested or needs to know, Natalie assured me
>several days ago that she is still coming to Acadiafest.
>
>Bethany
>

Not suprising at all. Did she mind you releasing this information to the
public.


alec

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Not suprising at all. Did she mind you releasing this information to the
>public.

I don't read minds - you should ask her.

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:32 AM
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>
>
>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>Not suprising at all. Did she mind you releasing this
>information to the
>>public.
>
>I don't read minds - you should ask her.
>
>Bethany
>

Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked, did you
have her permission to release this information. I don't care whether she
goes to Maine.


alec

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Paul R. Barfoot:
= > Is Mallard Fillmore one of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim?
=
= In case you are really asking about MF and not just being funny - Mallard Fillmore is
= a conservative political cartoon.

Ah, I thought you'd typo'd Millard Fillmore and hadn't noticed.
I didn't know about the cartoon.

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At 05:32 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Is Mallard Fillmore one of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim?


:-)

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At 08:50 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have trouble with small 1/4" bees burrowing into their potted
> > plants?  These things are getting bothersome.  It doesn't appear that they
> > are harming the plant.
> >
> > Terry
>
>Burrowing? Are you sure it isn't yellowjackets?
>Bothersome doesn't begin to describe it - they are aggressive
>and attack in teams. I have had multiple (over 20) stings from
>a nest of them a couple of times as a kid, and it was traumatic.
>
>I suggest yellowjackets because they will nest in the ground.

Yellowjackets are considerably larger than 0.25 inches.

cwv

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> At 08:50 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>>Terry Wild wrote:
>>
>> > Does anyone have trouble with small 1/4" bees burrowing into their
>> potted plants?  These things are getting bothersome.  It doesn't
>> appear that they are harming the plant.
>> >
>> > Terry
>>
>>Burrowing? Are you sure it isn't yellowjackets?
>>Bothersome doesn't begin to describe it - they are aggressive
>>and attack in teams. I have had multiple (over 20) stings from
>>a nest of them a couple of times as a kid, and it was traumatic.
>>
>>I suggest yellowjackets because they will nest in the ground.
>
> Yellowjackets are considerably larger than 0.25 inches.

That's why I thought it might be orchard mason bees--they are small and
benign to humans.

Karen

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked, did you
>have her permission to release this information. I don't care whether she
>goes to Maine.

Why do you want to know?

Bethany

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At 11:45 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked, did you
>have her permission to release this information. I don't care whether she
>goes to Maine.

The key is that one shouldn't provide Bethany with any information that one
doesn't want broadcast or used indiscriminately  Great trait for a lawyer.

cwv

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>Actually, the most interesting thing to me about this was that not
>everyone experiences this, or experiences it rarely.
>Karen

Yes, I could have been in his study.  With all my rowing and erging, I
never experienced an "in the zone" type thing and very rarely felt the high
that some people do.  Even when I did feel the high, I didn't experience it
as a pleasant thing.


bonnie

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Bethany:

>In case anyone is interested or needs to know, Natalie assured me
>several days ago that she is still coming to Acadiafest.

Thanks for letting us know. I was wondering what her plans
were re BH but was too lazy/busy to ask her.

-rashmi

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>>Actually, the most interesting thing to me about this was that not
>> everyone experiences this, or experiences it rarely.
>>Karen
>
> Yes, I could have been in his study.  With all my rowing and erging, I
> never experienced an "in the zone" type thing and very rarely felt the
> high that some people do.  Even when I did feel the high, I didn't
> experience it as a pleasant thing.

Well, as brain surgeons know, it's not just a sports thing. For some
people, it's a work thing.

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:03 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
>
>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I
>asked, did you
>>have her permission to release this information. I don't care
>whether she
>>goes to Maine.
>
>Why do you want to know?
>
>Bethany
>

Privacy police and being curious.


alec

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Well, guess that love, Judith, isn't around to read this.....but it made me
think of her.

dan


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===8<==============Original message text===============
Please update your Ariel address books to the Wisconsin Primate Center
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our OCLC symbol:  WIY
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Matt



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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now things are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:
>
> http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/

Hmm: Denne siden finnes ikke.

And then, as it is probably said in that "finna ikke"-window, there will automatically be opened the general Nasjonalbibliotekets page. When clicking on a link there I again will get that Denne-siden-finnes-ikke-window, and after 20 sec. I'm back again on the page I started from (Nasjonalbiblioteket). Maybe it'll work better some other day.

Kristin

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:45:56 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Terry Wild wrote:


> I have 2! Acadian Flycatcher nests on the patio.  I knew about the 1st, she
> comes every year, but I didn't even see the second one being built and I go
> out that door nearly everyday!  I really don't mind except they crap all
> over the place and sit on my clothes line nearby thus causing me extra
> wash.


        I have no less than 7 mature trees on this property.  All I
ask is that they build their nests where God intended.

        We have a family of woodpeckers again this year.  Three
jueveniles were chasing each other around on the oak tree
off the back deck last night.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> This is probably too late (our mail server was down for several hours) but
> I vote to let Natalie alone.

You are right, and my sending of the message might have been a wrong thing to
do, but what's done is done, and I'm not going to take such dubious steps any
more. (I do not even see any chance for apology (besides, to whom?), even if it
was wrong -- I added this just because of some discussion here on being sorry
and apologizing.)

Kristin

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19:31 12.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>
>> I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now things are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:
>>
>> http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/
>
>Hmm: Denne siden finnes ikke.

It works fine now and has all day as far as I have seen.

Maybe your mailsystem has done something to the URL. Could you try to type it in manually and see what happens?

Espen

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> 19:31 12.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>>
>>> I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now
>>> things are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:
>>>
>>> http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/
>>
>>Hmm: Denne siden finnes ikke.
>
> It works fine now and has all day as far as I have seen.
>
> Maybe your mailsystem has done something to the URL. Could you try to
> type it in manually and see what happens?

I was able to click on it a few minutes ago.

Karen

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Espen S. Ore:
= 19:31 12.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
= >"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
= >
= >> I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now things are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:
= >>
= >> http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/
= >
= >Hmm: Denne siden finnes ikke.
=
= It works fine now and has all day as far as I have seen.
=
= Maybe your mailsystem has done something to the URL. Could you try to type it in manually and see what happens?
=
= Espen

It's working for me too.

It is very cool!

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----- Original Message -----
> 6/11/2003, 5:08 PM, Karen Kay wrote:>
> >> Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
> >> who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once
>
> KK> Paul Stone.
>
>   Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
>   standard terminology.

Here's the legendary "phatic drivel" message from Paul Stone:

"In the Internet Yellow Pages, this group is described as a "lively
discussion of English language and the meaning of words. So far I have
received almost two hundred e-mail messages in the past 36 hours -- and 80%
of them have been inane comments by people who obviously don't care about
the topic at hand. If the group has suddenly changed to
alt.conversation.phatic.drivel please tell me and I will unsubscribe."

Marie

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At 10:00 PM 6/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > thought. Three minutes into my run my leg was tight. I stopped,
> > stretchedand continued for another two minutes before I heard/felt
> > something pop in
> > my calf. It took me 15 minutes to hobble home.
>
>Lisa, are you sure you didn't (partially) rupture your Achille's tendon?
>
>Sorry to hear about all this. Damn.
>
>Marie

Hey Marie-

No, I'm not sure. However I am now mobile and I'm not in a lot of pain.
Also, the pain I do experience lessens every day. I'm doing the exercises
my aunt recommended and being very diligent about stretching throughout my
workout routine. Which obviously means I'm back at the gym. I can do
everything but run.

I'm going to continue on this path until I either get better or have to
face the fact that I'm not getting better and I need more help.

Thanks for the concern, I truly appreciate it.

lisa

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>In case anyone is interested or needs to know, Natalie assured me several
days ago that she is still coming to Acadiafest.


>Bethany


TMI!!!

AS

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----- Original Message -----
From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:37 am
Subject: Re: "Everything Must Go"

> Marie:
> >but I'm thinking I need the new <Metallica>!
>
> I'm thinking you don't and also
> thinking you'll be thankful for
> this tip.

You've heard it?

Marie

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At 11:00 PM 6/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>OK, drivel has been driving the list since 1990. How many people have
>been been here since then?

Continuously?

I think I joined in 1991. If not it was 1992. It was second semester,
junior year and it changed my life.

lisa



>Sylvia Edwards
>Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
>Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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> Marie,
> Have you heard it yet? Is it good? I need a new long-distance
> drive CD. This could be it!
> clo

No I haven't, but their "black album" is one of my favorite long-distance driving CDs. As are AC/DC Back in Black. Oh, and Jane's Addiction Ritual De Lo Habitual.

Marie

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Privacy police and being curious.

Badge, please.

Bethany

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> I think I joined in 1991. If not it was 1992. It was second semester,
> junior year and it changed my life.

Joining Words-L changed your life?!

Hm. I guess it changed mine, too, because I wouldn't have known I had evil
twins if it weren't for Words-L.

Karen

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>Joining Words-L changed your life?!

It was more interesting overall to me before so many people left during the
past couple of years. Diversity was decreased.


AS (although it's possibly on the upswing)

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At 07:56 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Lisa:
>>>The worse wound is really in my head, I felt pretty beat up and was very
>>>frustrated by not being able to work out for most of last week.
>
>Yup.  That's the problem with addictions.  Withdrawal is so darn hard.
>
>
>bonnie

No denying it's an addiction. Although to be funny about it I could tell
you that I don't think I'm addicted. To use the word of my favorite
trainer, I'm "consistent".

lisa

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Thanks.  What is the date on that?

dan

6/12/2003, 11:33 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> ----- Original Message -----
>> 6/11/2003, 5:08 PM, Karen Kay wrote:>
>> >> Shows how much you know ... "phatic drivel" was so named by someone
>> >> who posted only once to the list ... maybe even less than once
>>
>> KK> Paul Stone.
>>
>>   Must have napped on that one, but ggs is the one who made it
>>   standard terminology.

MA> Here's the legendary "phatic drivel" message from Paul Stone:

MA> "In the Internet Yellow Pages, this group is described as a "lively
MA> discussion of English language and the meaning of words. So far I have
MA> received almost two hundred e-mail messages in the past 36 hours -- and 80%
MA> of them have been inane comments by people who obviously don't care about
MA> the topic at hand. If the group has suddenly changed to
MA> alt.conversation.phatic.drivel please tell me and I will unsubscribe."

MA> Marie

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

>currently listening to Etta James (who I went to see two weeks ago)

Most excellent!

Bethany

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At 12:45 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Joining Words-L changed your life?!
>
>It was more interesting overall to me before so many people left during the
>past couple of years. Diversity was decreased.

I agree, it's lost it's freshness. At the same time I find a certain amount
of comfort in it's current form.

lisa

>AS (although it's possibly on the upswing)

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:04 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: three weeks to fest
>
>
>At 11:45 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: English Language Discussion Group
>> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>> >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:32 AM
>> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: three weeks to fest
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> >
>> >>Not suprising at all. Did she mind you releasing this
>> >information to the
>> >>public.
>> >
>> >I don't read minds - you should ask her.
>> >
>> >Bethany
>> >
>>
>>Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I
>asked, did you
>>have her permission to release this information. I don't care
>whether she
>>goes to Maine.
>>
>>
>>alec
>
>Hey Alec I'm wondering when you're going to shut the fuck up.
>Can you give me some indication when this might occur?
>
>lisa
>

I hope and pray, never. Or maybe when I eighty seven.

peace and freedom of speech,


alec

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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recommendations?  places to avoid?

Probably in Ramblas area.


dan

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Rita:
>where God intended.

Oh, *you* can get away with this
pithy turn of phrase, but *I* use
it and I get spanked.

Is it because you're cute that you
get away with everything?

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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I should ask my son - though he stayed in hostels not hotels.  He did say that
Barcellona was one of the few places where he had moments of feeling unsafe.

BrP


> recommendations?  places to avoid?
>
> Probably in Ramblas area.
>
>
> dan

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Mar-ellica:
> You've heard it?

Well, obviously, you'll have to
make up your own mind.

I'mjusayinizall.

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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At 08:43 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I've been hearing a bit of this on the radio, and it sounds pretty good,
>but I'm thinking I need the new <Metallica>

I haven't heard any of their new album. My brother is a HUGE Metallica fan
and said it was terrible.

lisa
currently listening to Etta James (who I went to see two weeks ago)


>Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:40 pm
>Subject: "Everything Must Go"
>
> > A new Steely Dan album!
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classicpop/reviews/steelydan_go.shtml
> >
> > AS
> >

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At 10:43 AM 6/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > I think I joined in 1991. If not it was 1992. It was second semester,
> > junior year and it changed my life.
>
>Joining Words-L changed your life?!

Admittedly I was being a tad dramatic but there's also truth in the statement.


>Hm. I guess it changed mine, too, because I wouldn't have known I had evil
>twins if it weren't for Words-L.

There you go. I didn't say it  moved mountains but it has had an impact.


>Karen

lisa

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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Subject: Good bye to Gregory Peck and David Brinkley
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Folks,

Good men are gone!


alec

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/12/obit.peck/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/12/obit.brinkley/index.html

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> At 10:43 AM 6/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> > I think I joined in 1991. If not it was 1992. It was second
>> semester, junior year and it changed my life.
>>
>>Joining Words-L changed your life?!
>
> Admittedly I was being a tad dramatic but there's also truth in the
> statement.

Yes.

>>Hm. I guess it changed mine, too, because I wouldn't have known I had
>> evil twins if it weren't for Words-L.
>
> There you go. I didn't say it  moved mountains but it has had an impact.

Well, Paul is a whole mountain range in my life all by himself.

Karen

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At 11:45 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
> >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:32 AM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: three weeks to fest
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> >>Not suprising at all. Did she mind you releasing this
> >information to the
> >>public.
> >
> >I don't read minds - you should ask her.
> >
> >Bethany
> >
>
>Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked, did you
>have her permission to release this information. I don't care whether she
>goes to Maine.
>
>
>alec

Hey Alec I'm wondering when you're going to shut the fuck up. Can you give
me some indication when this might occur?

lisa

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> 19:31 12.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
> >>
> >> http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/
> >
> >Hmm: Denne siden finnes ikke.
>
> It works fine now and has all day as far as I have seen.
>
> Maybe your mailsystem has done something to the URL. Could you try to type it in manually and see what happens?

The same. In that window is also said:
"Vi har foretatt en omorganisering av våre hjemmesider, og i den forbindelse har sider byttet navn, blitt flyttet eller fjernet.
Dersom du vil finne siden igjen kan vi anbefale vår søkeside.
Dersom du ikke blir videresendt til vår hjemmeside automatisk, (etter 20 sekunder), klikk på lenken nedenfor.

Prøv på nytt fra startsiden vår:
http://www.nb.no "

-- of which I can understand something, but not everything.

Then it automatically opens the page of the library. And as I couldn't find words either 'virtuelle' or 'album' there I clicked on
"Les mer om Diriksfamiliens...".

I still hope it is due to some server here that doesn't work well today because of weather or something (oh, I do not know actually
the means how a page is shown in a computer, like how many servers it has to go through, or anything about the technology).

The page of the library is rich and seems interesting.

Oh, now I tried "Les mer om Radioarkiv" and it opened! Probably I can "lesa mer om Diriksfamilien" at some day, too.

Thanks for sending that page anyway.

Kristin

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>
>I have 2! Acadian Flycatcher nests on the patio.  I knew about the 1st, she
>comes every year, but I didn't even see the second one being built and I go
>out that door nearly everyday!  I really don't mind except they crap all
>over the place and sit on my clothes line nearby thus causing me extra wash.

I rig a piece of monofilament fishing line parallel to and about 6" above
the boom of my boat, which effectively keeps the gulls and terns from flying
close to, perching on and shitting all over it. Maybe you could try something
similar.

/Jim

>
>Terry

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:23 PM
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>
>
>recommendations?  places to avoid?
>
>Probably in Ramblas area.
>
>
>dan
>

I have used trip advisor a few times. Most reviews were fair. Depends on
price, most 2 star or better are usually clean and ok.

Alec

http://www.tripadvisor.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lisa alfieri
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:04 PM
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>
Some deleted....
>
>Hey Alec I'm wondering when you're going to shut the fuck up.
>Can you give me some indication when this might occur?
>
>lisa
>

I forgot to add, say please next time too:)


alec

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Angus Ascher:
>As are AC/DC Back in Black.

What's the Unicode for the little
lightning bolt character?

That would make this post very cool.

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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Dan Lester writes,

>Thanks.  What is the date on that?

"Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:07:47 +0500"

Pete

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> Thanks.  What is the date on that?
>
> dan

24 Mar 1995 at 12:08:49

By the way, the very last posting on the thread coming in several weeks later is:

>In the Internet Yellow Pages, this group is described as a "lively
>discussion of English language and the meaning of words. So far I have
>received almost two hundred e-mail messages in the past 36 hours -- and 80%

Wow, it is fun reading old stuff....

bet this anal retentive bozo has long since unsubbed.....    right?

cyclops

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6/12/2003, 1:11 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

PK> Dan Lester writes,

>>Thanks.  What is the date on that?

PK> "Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:07:47 +0500"

   Thanks.  I would have guessed it was a couple or three years
   earlier.  Guess it must just be more senility creeping in.


dan

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Alec:

>most 2 star or better are usually clean and ok.

This has also been my experience each time.

AS

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> --
> Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

Are you quoting the song of the same name by Common Rotation?

--Adam
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where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks time) and my son and his sons. And of course I will see Ingjerd who has been there as external examinator at the university for a couple of days. I have bought a cheap plane ticke back (with Ingjerd) but to Bergen I will do the luxury thing: a sleeping wagon with a single bed cabin. It costs almost twice as much as the cheapest plane ticket but what the hell in this case. The Norwegian Railroad (government business) threatens to cancel all sleeping trains next year since they are not profitable so I will have one more go at it now.

I will see if I can get some kind of e-mail connection in Bergen - if not, don't say anything interesting.

Espen

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Espen S. Ore:
= where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks time)

Wow.  Espen, I don't think we knew this!

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>From advocate.com:
Absolut announces gay marketing
campaign
Vodka maker Absolut has introduced an elaborate advertising and
promotional campaign aimed at gay and lesbian consumers. Labeled
"Absolut Out," the release of the ads coincides with the many June pride
events in major cities with large gay populations. The yearlong campaign will
feature local and national elements that include an oversize three-dimensional
billboard traveling around the country; magazine, postcard, and Internet
advertising; and sponsorship of fund-raisers for the Human Rights Campaign,
a gay rights group.

Gay and lesbian consumers are "fiercely brand-loyal and go out a lot," said
James T. Goodwin, vice president for marketing at the Absolut Spirits Co. in
New York, a division of V&S Vin & Sprit A.B., the Swedish distiller of the
Absolut line of vodkas, which has been advertising to gays and lesbians since
1981. "But they're not only important for what they consume. They're also
important as influencers." According to Goodwin, Absolut's following among
gay and lesbian consumers helped it catch on among mainstream vodka
drinkers, and the brand grew to become the top-selling import.

The "Absolut Out" campaign plays on closeted sexuality with images of nine
closets, each shaped like the Absolut bottle, on the mobile "Absolut Out"
billboard. When the billboard arrives in a given city, the closet doors are
closed. About 10 days later, the doors are simultaneously flung open to reveal
the clothing, shoes, accessories, and tchotchkes emblematic of nine
archetypes of gay men and lesbians, including the punk rocker, the activist,
the preppie, the athlete, the dog-show aficionado, the bodybuilder, and, with
a double-wide closet, the drag queen. Absolut "wanted to have some fun"
with the types of people shown on the billboard "and not make it PC but
broad and a little cheeky," said Patrick O'Neill, group creative director at
TBWA\Chiat\Day, the ad agency that came up with the campaign.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = > =
= > = > = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
= > = >
= > = > Thank you for laughing.
= > =
= > = I apologize.
= >
= > What for?  Were you laughing insincerely because you really
= > didn't get my Outbreak joke?
=
= Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!

Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!

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Adam:
> Are you quoting the song of the same name by Common Rotation?

Nope, TMBG.

Common Rotation covers it, though.
And, as I see from a quick Google,
John Linnell played on a Common
Rotation record.

--
Ana Ng

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= the clothing, shoes, accessories, and tchotchkes emblematic of nine
= archetypes of gay men and lesbians, including the punk rocker, the activist,
= the preppie, the athlete, the dog-show aficionado, the bodybuilder, and, with
= a double-wide closet, the drag queen. Absolut "wanted to have some fun"

the dog-show aficiaonado?

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steph wrote:

> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant:
> = > = 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > = > =
> = > = > = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
> = > = >
> = > = > Thank you for laughing.
> = > =
> = > = I apologize.
> = >
> = > What for?  Were you laughing insincerely because you really
> = > didn't get my Outbreak joke?
> =
> = Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!
>
> Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!

<giggle><giggle> 8-|

Kr.

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02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > =
> = > = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
> = >
> = > Thank you for laughing.
> =
> = I apologize.
>
> What for?  Were you laughing insincerely because you really
> didn't get my Outbreak joke?

Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!

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02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> It's working for me too.
>
> It is very cool!

Good one! LOL

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-12 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > At 12:45 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Joining Words-L changed your life?!
> > >
> > >It was more interesting overall to me before so many people left during
> > >the past couple of years. Diversity was decreased.
> >
> > I agree, it's lost it's freshness.
>
> That's not what "diversity" means. Diversity is the opposite
> of ... "liberal bias" I think.

Hahahahahahahah Tushar made a funny!
clo

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02003-06-12 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 12:45 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Joining Words-L changed your life?!
> >
> >It was more interesting overall to me before so many people left during
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>
> I agree, it's lost it's freshness.

That's not what "diversity" means. Diversity is the opposite
of ... "liberal bias" I think.

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02003-06-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 11:45 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> >Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked,
> >did you have her permission to release this information. I don't care
> >whether she goes to Maine.
>
> The key is that one shouldn't provide Bethany with any information that one
> doesn't want broadcast or used indiscriminately  Great trait for a lawyer.

Oh, my ASS

Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.

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I'm sure he has unsubbed.  And I can guarantee you the email address
shown below t'ain't worth 'nothin.

6/12/2003, 1:35 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> Wow, it is fun reading old stuff....

MA> bet this anal retentive bozo has long since unsubbed.....    right?

MA> cyclops

MA>                         Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu


dan

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=
= bet this anal retentive bozo has long since unsubbed.....    right?
=

In all of Google Groups, the search for "anal retentive bozo"
comes up with 11 hits.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > It's working for me too.
= >
= > It is very cool!
=
= Good one! LOL

That wasn't supposed to be funny.

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6/12/2003, 1:57 PM, steph wrote:

s> = the clothing, shoes, accessories, and tchotchkes emblematic of nine
s> = archetypes of gay men and lesbians, including the punk rocker, the activist,
s> = the preppie, the athlete, the dog-show aficionado, the bodybuilder, and, with
s> = a double-wide closet, the drag queen. Absolut "wanted to have some fun"

s> the dog-show aficiaonado?

Sure.  Many of the handlers I know are gay.  Some of them are actually
ex-hairdressers.  Well, the ones I know still are, since I've always
dealt with long coated breeds (shih tzu, lhasa apso, bearded collie,
komondor, afghan hound, etc.)   Doing a komondor takes about twelve
hours.

dan

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6/12/2003, 2:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-06-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
>> At 11:45 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>
>> >Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked,
>> >did you have her permission to release this information. I don't care
>> >whether she goes to Maine.
>>
>> The key is that one shouldn't provide Bethany with any information that one
>> doesn't want broadcast or used indiscriminately  Great trait for a lawyer.

TS> Oh, my ASS

TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.

Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.

dan

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steph:
> the dog-show aficiaonado?

Sure.  Wasn't there one of those
in the Village People?

--
Scar Hodo

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human powered vehicle:
= steph:
= > the dog-show aficiaonado?
=
= Sure.  Wasn't there one of those
= in the Village People?
=

mmm.  I don't th*i*nk so.  I just, well, I just didn't know about
the dog show thing.

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02003-06-12 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/12/2003, 2:05 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> TS> 02003-06-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> At 11:45 AM 6/12/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >>
> >> >Not my place, you sent private information to the list. All I asked,
> >> >did you have her permission to release this information. I don't care
> >> >whether she goes to Maine.
> >>
> >> The key is that one shouldn't provide Bethany with any information that one
> >> doesn't want broadcast or used indiscriminately  Great trait for a lawyer.
>
> TS> Oh, my ASS
>
> TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
>
> Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.

OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...

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= >
= > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
= >
= > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
=
= OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...

LOL!

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At 10:08 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>=
>= bet this anal retentive bozo has long since unsubbed.....    right?
>=
>
>In all of Google Groups, the search for "anal retentive bozo"
>comes up with 11 hits.

All words-l?

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02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > It's working for me too.
> = >
> = > It is very cool!
> =
> = Good one! LOL
>
> That wasn't supposed to be funny.

Apologies.

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02003-06-12 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> Another detail: in 1914, some issues of Vanity Fair were comprised almost
> solely of articles written by PGW under various pseudonyms.

I apologize that you gave this very interesting bit of information. Did
you check with the Wodehouse foundation first? What kind of lawyer are
you?

I bet all issues of this have been grabbed by idiots who don't know the
first thing about "Plum" ...

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02003-06-12 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > = > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
> > = >
> > = > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
> > =
> > = OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...
> >
> > LOL!
>
> OK, now we only need "I know you are but what am I" and
> we will have completed the cycle.

I learned it from you

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02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant:
> = > = 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > = > =
> = > = > = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
> = > = >
> = > = > Thank you for laughing.
> = > =
> = > = I apologize.
> = >
> = > What for?  Were you laughing insincerely because you really
> = > didn't get my Outbreak joke?
> =
> = Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!
>
> Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!

Hey no tag backs!

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steph wrote:

> = >
> = > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
> = >
> = > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
> =
> = OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...
>
> LOL!

OK, now we only need "I know you are but what am I" and
we will have completed the cycle.
clo

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02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = >
> = > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
> = >
> = > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
> =
> = OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...
>
> LOL!

I am sorry that you laughed at my Outbreak joke.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-12 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > = > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
> > > = >
> > > = > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
> > > =
> > > = OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...
> > >
> > > LOL!
> >
> > OK, now we only need "I know you are but what am I" and
> > we will have completed the cycle.
>
> I learned it from you

Tushar, you just make my little heart go pittypat when you
talk so sweetly to me. In a minute I will be saying "sweet
babu" if I don't leave right away.

Good bye.
clo

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I apologize that you gave this very interesting bit of information. Did
>you check with the Wodehouse foundation first? What kind of lawyer are
>you?
>
>I bet all issues of this have been grabbed by idiots who don't know the
>first thing about "Plum" ...

LOL! Thank you, Tushar! I am the kind of lawyer who has <apologists> - one
<apologist>, anyway - obviously!

Bethany

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 10:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
In case you are really asking about MF and not just being funny - Mallard
Fillmore is
a conservative political cartoon.

>>

Which isn't funny.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>where God intended.
>>
>
> Oh, *you* can get away with this
> pithy turn of phrase, but *I* use
> it and I get spanked.


Braggart.


> Is it because you're cute that you
> get away with everything?



Absolutely.



--
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02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 6/12/2003 10:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
> prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:
>
> <<
> In case you are really asking about MF and not just being funny - Mallard
> Fillmore is a conservative political cartoon.
> >>
>
> Which isn't funny.

Why does a cartoon have to be funny? Maybe it's angry.

I apologize for the lack of diversity in this list's sense of humor ...

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"According to government labor statistics, 4.8 million individuals are
underemployed. That's on top of the 8.7 million counted as unemployed and
looking for jobs, not to mention the 4.2 million non-working who don't
bother."

http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/12/pf/saving/duppies/index.htm

If I weren't already terrified, I would be now. I don't think tax cuts for
the rich are going to cut it.

Karen

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> "According to government labor statistics, 4.8 million individuals are
>> underemployed. That's on top of the 8.7 million counted as unemployed
>> and looking for jobs, not to mention the 4.2 million non-working who
>> don't bother."
>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/12/pf/saving/duppies/index.htm
>>
>> If I weren't already terrified, I would be now. I don't think tax cuts
>> for the rich are going to cut it.
>>
>> Karen
>
> I prefer the term "discouraged worker" to "don't bother" for
> those occasions when I have been tossed out by the system.
> clo
>                                  not counting on hatching any chickens
>                                 at present

Or even 'overqualified for crud jobs'. I *finally* got an interview for a
job for which I'm vastly overqualified, and... I'm waiting to hear.

Karen

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6/12/2003, 3:35 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> "According to government labor statistics, 4.8 million individuals are
KK> underemployed. That's on top of the 8.7 million counted as unemployed and
KK> looking for jobs, not to mention the 4.2 million non-working who don't
KK> bother."

    I'd thought the ones labelled as "don't bother" here were the ones
    who'd maxed out their unemployment benefits, and they may, or may
    not, be looking for work.

    Of course some of them aren't bothering to look, since their
    welfare payments are adequate.  Not adequate in any general sense,
    but as much as they'd make if they worked minimum wage,
    particularly for those who'd have to pay for childcare.

dan

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> 6/12/2003, 3:35 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> KK> "According to government labor statistics, 4.8 million individuals
> are KK> underemployed. That's on top of the 8.7 million counted as
> unemployed and KK> looking for jobs, not to mention the 4.2 million
> non-working who don't KK> bother."
>
>     I'd thought the ones labelled as "don't bother" here were the ones
> who'd maxed out their unemployment benefits, and they may, or may
> not, be looking for work.

I wouldn't read too much into this guy's restatement of the statistics.

>     Of course some of them aren't bothering to look, since their
>     welfare payments are adequate.  Not adequate in any general sense,
> but as much as they'd make if they worked minimum wage,
>     particularly for those who'd have to pay for childcare.

I'm pretty sure welfare isn't as much as one would earn at a min. wage
job--but maybe minus childcare, it would be.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> "According to government labor statistics, 4.8 million individuals are
> underemployed. That's on top of the 8.7 million counted as unemployed and
> looking for jobs, not to mention the 4.2 million non-working who don't
> bother."
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/12/pf/saving/duppies/index.htm
>
> If I weren't already terrified, I would be now. I don't think tax cuts for
> the rich are going to cut it.
>
> Karen

I prefer the term "discouraged worker" to "don't bother" for
those occasions when I have been tossed out by the system.
clo
                                 not counting on hatching any chickens
                                at present

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+44 20 7555 5555 or +44 20 8555 5555

If someone gives you a UK number to dial from outside the UK the first
0 is not needed. Here you need the leading zero to dial another area.

Not all UK numbers are 10 digits by the way.

Roy

On Tuesday, Jun 10, 2003, at 18:44 Europe/London, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> I am pitifully inexperienced in making international calls. I need to
> make a call to
> London and the number I have was given to me in this form +44 20
> 55555555.  I
> know that I have to dial 011 for international and that 44 is the
> country code.  I have
> seen London phone numbers written in the form 020 55555555.  My
> question is -
> after the 44 do I dial 20 or 020 next ?
>
> btw - this is a call to one of my newly discovered Barfoot cousins in
> London.  It's
> quite an interesting story which I will tell here when I get the
> chance.
>
>
> BrP
>

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At 05:10 PM 6/12/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 6/12/2003 10:37:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
>prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:
>
><<
>In case you are really asking about MF and not just being funny - Mallard
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>
> >>
>
>Which isn't funny.

Oh, Tinsley (the artist/author) has his moments.  Some of his stuff on the
media and "modern" education is pretty good.  Mostly, though, his
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cwv

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6/12/2003, 3:51 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> I'm pretty sure welfare isn't as much as one would earn at a min. wage
KK> job--but maybe minus childcare, it would be.

Think the welfare amount, also depends on the state.  And then there
are those who'd rather get almost as much as working, and not have to
work.   I'm a firm believer in welfare being workfare for all but
those who are unable.  There's plenty of work to do out there....


dan

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> There's plenty of work to do out there....

When was the last time you looked for a job?! I'm not kidding about not
even being considered for min. wage jobs, you know.

Karen

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On Wednesday, Jun 11, 2003, at 21:47 Europe/London, Alec D. Plotkin
wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: English Language Discussion Group
>> [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:32 PM
>> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Thank you, Natalie
>>
>>
>> 02003-06-11 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
>>>> Let's all do that. cc: all our messages to Natalie. It
>> will be like she has
>>>> never left.
>>>>
>>>> yay,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alec
>>>
>>> alec you are truly evil
>>> I love you man
>>>
Not evil, just contrary.

Roy

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Alec,

read the mail below your Micro$oft box may have caught something

Roy

On Thursday, Jun 12, 2003, at 19:32 Europe/London, Alec D. Plotkin
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:23 PM
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>>
>>
>> recommendations?  places to avoid?
>>
>> Probably in Ramblas area.
>>
>>
>> dan
>>
>
> I have used trip advisor a few times. Most reviews were fair. Depends
> on
> price, most 2 star or better are usually clean and ok.
>
> Alec
>
> http://www.tripadvisor.com/

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 4:56:01 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:

<<
Mostly, though, his
humor/satire/whatever has all of the finesse of a Pat Buchanan/Rush
Limbaugh tirade.
>>

Oh, I used to love to watch Rush's TV show, and I love Sean Hannity's
program on Fox News (I love Fox News).  But I would compare Mallard
to Bill O'Reilly's program (which I used to watch, but I find him too
strident now).  And Pat does have his funny moments.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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02003-06-12 | Roy Jaques <rjaques@ONETEL.NET.UK> writes:
> >>>alec you are truly evil
> >>>I love you man
>
> Not evil, just contrary.

"Evil" is a term of approbation now. The word was recycled
since evil in the older sense doesn't exist anymore.

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Roy -- I just learned this term today (via a daily e-mail vocabulary builder) in the context of denoting newer universities in the UK. Most interesting.

AS

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Ana and I did a 7-mile hike along the Missouri River today
(to kick off summer break).  I saw a berries that looked a
lot like blackberries growing on trees along the trail.
I've never seen a blackberry *tree*.  Does anybody know what
they are?  If they're edible, I'll go back and pick some.

I did see some elderberry that aren't ripe yet.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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steph, on the Village People:
> mmm.  I don't th*i*nk so.

O.K., look, I was a groupie for
SO MANY gay costume singer groups
that I just lost track.

>I just, well, I just didn't know about
>the dog show thing.

Oh, dog shows now, you turn around
and they'll have co-opted hetsex!

--
Phred Felpz

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Interesting and perhaps useful list from Rachel Lucas' blog:

========================
Dear classmates who got all spastic today and said that Spanish spelling
"is soooooo hard to learn and makes no sense like English does":

Wait. Weight. Freight. Fate. Hate. Height. Bright. Brown. Blown. Lone.
Loan. Low. Go. Grew. You. Blue. News. Hues. Cruise. Cry. Hi. High. Nigh.
Rye. Rice. Right. Rid. Lid. Limb. Climb. Cling. Ring. Wrong. Long. Lawn.
Fawn. Phone. Phoney. Honey. Hone. Crone. Crow. How. Row. Run. Rung.
Wrung. Wrong. When. Where. Hair. They're. There. Their. Heir. Hare. Her.
Burr. Fur. Fun. Fume. Plume. Plumb. Plum. Plus. Place. Race. Case.
Phrase. Raise. Rose. Ruse. Rise. Raze. Maze. Mace. Mac. Mock. Knock.
Knot. Nought. Not. Nut. Gnat. Gnome. Tome. Tom. Ton. Done. Cone. None.
Non. Son. Sun. Some. Shove. Stove. Move. Shave. Shame. Sham. Ham. Wham.
What. Rut. Route. Rote. Right. Write. Friend. Fried. French. Fright.
White. Wit. Knit. Knight. Kite. Kit. It. Ought. Fraught. Lot. Laugh.
Laughter. After. Often. Off. Cough. Caught. Cot. Tot. Taught. Tough.
Cuff. Cuss. Plus. Bus. Bass. Base. Boss. Both. Bath. Bat. Bait. Eight.
Ate. Eat. Feet. Seat. Sat. Stat. Stain. Stone. State. Straight. Trait.
Trade. Train. Wane. When. Win. Whine. Wine. Line. Lie. Lay. Bay. By.
Bye. Why. Whim. Trim. Him. Hem. Gem. Jim. Joe. Jew. Chew. Shoe. Who.
Moo. Hue. Rue. Cue. Few. Phew. Who. Woo. Wood. Would. Good. God. Goad.
Go. Gone. Goon. Moon. Moan. Man. Main. May. Ray. Rye. Fry. My. Tie. Buy.
Bay. Boy. Girl. Hurl. Squirrel. Squirt. Hurt. Bert. Burn. Fern. Learn.
Lean. Lien. Clean. Cleat. Bleat. Bleed. Reed. Read. Sead. Seat. Conceit.
See. Sea. Seam. Seen. Scene. Scheme. Screed. Schreech. Reach. Wretch.
Catch. Cache. Cash. Gnash. Niche. Knees. Nose. Noose. Deuce. Dose.
Douse. Down. Blown. Bone. One. Won. Witch. Which. Wist. Gist. Just.
Jinx. Gin. Men. Brim. Brind. Mind. Mini. Jenny. Dummy. Dumb. Done. Dune.
Due. Do. Does. Dust. Bussed. Breast. Best. Bossed. Lost. Most. Toast.
Toe. Tow. Two. Too. To. No. Bow. Now. New. Nude. Feud. Lewd. Food. Fade.
Gait. Gauge. Grey. Gay. Guy. Guide. Cried. Ride. Reed. Rein. Rain.
Reign. Vein. Vane. Vain. Pain. Pane. Pant. Aunt. Ant. Rant. Want. Wont.
Won't. Went. Wind. Tend. Tint. Taunt. Taut. Taught. Taupe. Rope. Soap.
Sewed. Stowed. Toad. Bode. Bowed. Bout. Lout. Loud. Route. Mouth. Couth.
Tooth. Truth. True. Blew. Lieu. Poo.

Love,
Rachel

P.S. Marry, merry, hairy, wary, weary, leery. Wear, rare, lair. Bored,
board, chord, word. Crepe, cape. Put, but, mutt. Coupe, coup, couple,
cup. Mink, mind, lined, lint, lent. Smart, heart, hard, heard, hurt.
Bed, head, lead, led. Dial, file. Woe, whoa, wow. Woman, women. Yours,
ours, hours, flowers, lowers, lovers. Ear, wear. Eye, I, aye. Thought,
though, through, threw. Gone, tone. Late, laid, plaid. Rule, pool, fool.
Dull, pull, full. Whey, key, he. Feel, real.

Posted by Rachel at 04:01 PM Category: College...ugh

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clo:
> OK, now we only need "I know you are but what am I" and
> we will have completed the cycle.

The other weekend when I was out
skating, some asshole runs a stop
sign and nearly offs me.

So, I sez to him I sez, you blind,
stupid, or just a jagoff?

And (God's honest truth) he said:
"You're fat and ugly."

O.K., the latter's just an opinion,
and my mom would disagree, but the
former is a scientifically disprovable
fact, and I am not.

Unfortunately, the killing comeback
which you have outlined above did
not strike me until he was out of
range.

I'll bet the Germans have a word for
thinkingofthecomebacktoolate.

--
Shady Freud

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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> > is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> > the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> > the party, which you think of on your way down.
>
> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.

I am sorry you had to think that.

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6/12/2003, 3:58 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> There's plenty of work to do out there....

KK> When was the last time you looked for a job?! I'm not kidding about not
KK> even being considered for min. wage jobs, you know.

       I said there's WORK to be done, not that there are jobs.  I was
       referring to workfare as opposed to welfare.  Think the old
       CCC, cleaning up roadsides, etc, etc.  Things that could be
       done by those who are healthy and collecting welfare.  Doesn't
       have to be done just by prisoners, though good that they are
       too.

dan

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Rita:
>> it and I get spanked.
> Braggart.

I guess I just look vulnerable.

>> Is it because you're cute that you
>> get away with everything?
> Absolutely.

Dammit.  I have dimples on both
cheeks AND my chin.  Could you
recommend a course that would
help me take advantage of these
assets?

Or is it something you're born
with?

--
Richard        don't, don't, don't let's start

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 5:56:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

<<
Think the old
       CCC, cleaning up roadsides, etc, etc.  Things that could be
       done by those who are healthy and collecting welfare.
>>

Dad was always proud of being in the CCC; it taught him things he
needed for the Navy in WWII.

God, I miss him.  When I came home from the hospital with a broken
ankle, he went out to get me some sick-room supplies and came back
with a burger, fries, and cupcake from the local Dairy Queen.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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Evelyn:
>Bill O'Reilly's program (which I used to
>watch, but I find him too strident now).

No kidding.  A guy gets a book or three
published and he starts to act like the
witless victims he has on his show.

--
let me decide what's "balanced and fair", thanks.

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02003-06-12 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> clo:
> > OK, now we only need "I know you are but what am I" and
> > we will have completed the cycle.
>
> The other weekend when I was out
> skating, some asshole runs a stop
> sign and nearly offs me.
>
> So, I sez to him I sez, you blind,
> stupid, or just a jagoff?
>
> And (God's honest truth) he said:
> "You're fat and ugly."

So you got your answer... he was a jagoff.

> O.K., the latter's just an opinion,
> and my mom would disagree, but the
> former is a scientifically disprovable
> fact, and I am not.
>
> Unfortunately, the killing comeback
> which you have outlined above did
> not strike me until he was out of
> range.
>
> I'll bet the Germans have a word for
> thinkingofthecomebacktoolate.

According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
the party, which you think of on your way down.

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Evelyn, on the would-be 2nd POTUS named bookana:
>And Pat does have his funny moments.

Absolutely, as one would expect from
a professional turner-of-phrases.

But, jeez, he's gotta take ECON 101.

--
uh, Ross, there is no giant sucking sound

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02003-06-11 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Ah, Tushar is passionate about Wodehouse.  A bit of a good sign...
>
> Cobpony

How about you?

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> the party, which you think of on your way down.

I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.

Ann

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>I don't think tax cuts for the rich are going to cut it.

YaY!  Natalie's back!!!!

>Karen

Oops.

--
M. Forbes, off to count his paper clips

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At 04:56 PM 6/12/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/12/2003, 3:58 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> There's plenty of work to do out there....
>
>KK> When was the last time you looked for a job?! I'm not kidding about not
>KK> even being considered for min. wage jobs, you know.
>
>        I said there's WORK to be done, not that there are jobs.  I was
>        referring to workfare as opposed to welfare.  Think the old
>        CCC, cleaning up roadsides, etc, etc.  Things that could be
>        done by those who are healthy and collecting welfare.  Doesn't
>        have to be done just by prisoners, though good that they are
>        too.



Prisoners in Montana do phone solicitation!  If they get an interested
person though they are supposed to turn them over to the real sales people.

Betty

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Rabbi Samant:
> So you got your answer... he was a jagoff.

Right.  You know that, and I know
that, but I'm an educator in my
<spare time>, and I can't help it.

> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.

Dammit!

Who'd have expected the French to
come up with the mot juste?

--
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I apologize for any misunderstandings in advance. I'd like to hear
some words which you REALLY HATE. Stick to ones which are non-obvious.
Don't freakin offer "f*gg**", I know you hate it. Give me one which
you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

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02003-06-12 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Rabbi Samant:
> > So you got your answer... he was a jagoff.
>
> Right.  You know that, and I know
> that, but I'm an educator in my
> <spare time>, and I can't help it.

I apologize that you can't.

> > is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
>
> Dammit!
>
> Who'd have expected the French to
> come up with the mot juste?

Jagoffs frequently do ...

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 6:31:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
I'd like to hear
some words which you REALLY HATE.
>>

"no-no":  "Doing that is a no-no." No one over the age of 6 should
use it, IMHO.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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At 05:27 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Ana and I did a 7-mile hike along the Missouri River today
>(to kick off summer break).  I saw a berries that looked a
>lot like blackberries growing on trees along the trail.
>I've never seen a blackberry *tree*.  Does anybody know what
>they are?  If they're edible, I'll go back and pick some.

Presumably they weren't on vines that had climbed the trees.  I have no
idea what they might be, but if you can't get a positive ID, leave them
alone.  A few years back, a hiker staying at an inn that I was sitting came
back from a hike talking about the blueberries he had picked and
eaten.  Well, it was a good month beyond normal blueberry season.  That
night, they pumped his stomach.

cwv

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02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 6/12/2003 6:31:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> I'd like to hear
> some words which you REALLY HATE.
> >>
>
> "no-no":  "Doing that is a no-no." No one over the age of 6 should
> use it, IMHO.

Thank you, Evelyn. I too HATE "no-no" but didn't know it ...

I also hate "give me a jingle" and a "a schmancy restaurant".
These colloquialisms are stupid, IMO ...

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A guy it'd be cool to hang with:
> I apologize that you can't.

..and it's best you did, because
I am fully capable of kicking your
lady killer ass[tm].

--
'send 'you 'my 'address 'and 'airfare

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Admin
dumb ass
digi
scaphoid

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> Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 11:00:35 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>> OK, drivel has been driving the list since 1990. How many people have
>> been been here since then?
>
> Me.
>
> Karen

Ditto.

Terry

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> you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
> word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

meds.

Also, I hate it when adults call other adults "honey"  (unless they're
strangers)

Ann

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:55:30 -0400
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> Burrowing? Are you sure it isn't yellowjackets?
> Bothersome doesn't begin to describe it - they are aggressive
> and attack in teams. I have had multiple (over 20) stings from
> a nest of them a couple of times as a kid, and it was traumatic.
>
> I suggest yellowjackets because they will nest in the ground.
>
> clo

No, not yellow jackets, we do have them, they come out in the fall.  If we
find the nests we pour boiling water down them at night, does the trick.
I'm going to follow Karen's orchard mason bees suggestion in a few minutes
and see whether that fits.  These guys are tiny and like the potting soil
in my potted plants.  Haven't seem them coming directly out of the ground.

Terry

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 5:21:19 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> Roy -- I just learned this term today (via a daily e-mail vocabulary
> builder) in the context of denoting newer universities in the UK.
> Most interesting.

This is an old term, though, isn't it? I mean, been around for a
couple hundred years.

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 5:27:04 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Ana and I did a 7-mile hike along the Missouri River today
> (to kick off summer break).  I saw a berries that looked a
> lot like blackberries growing on trees along the trail.
> I've never seen a blackberry *tree*.  Does anybody know what
> they are?  If they're edible, I'll go back and pick some.

> I did see some elderberry that aren't ripe yet.

Mulberries grow on trees and look like blackberries. And they grow in
the midwest.

Karen

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> We have a family of woodpeckers again this year.  Three
> jueveniles were chasing each other around on the oak tree
> off the back deck last night.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman


Watch out for those juveniles, last fall we had one who was intent on
pecking the trim board off the house.  Did a fair amount of damage, and we
have acres of woods filled with dead trees to choose from!  The bird gurus
indicate they do this either looking for food, I had plenty available or
looking for a nesting place.

Terry

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 6:52:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

<<
Also, I hate it when adults call other adults "honey"  (unless they're
strangers)

>>

Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
so patronizing, especially men.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 5:56:05 PM, Dan Lester wrote:
>        I said there's WORK to be done, not that there are jobs.  I was
>        referring to workfare as opposed to welfare.  Think the old
>        CCC, cleaning up roadsides, etc, etc.  Things that could be
>        done by those who are healthy and collecting welfare.  Doesn't
>        have to be done just by prisoners, though good that they are
>        too.

So there's no money involved? I don't know about you, but I live in a
state with massive deficits, and a whole lotta state workers are going
to get laid off later in the summer.

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:09:59 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
>> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
>> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
>> the party, which you think of on your way down.

> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.

I was briefly Having A Life, thank you very much.

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:10:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
>> > is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
>> > the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
>> > the party, which you think of on your way down.
>>
>> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.

> I am sorry you had to think that.

Not me, I'm flattered.

Karen

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Merriam Webster - Word of the DayThursday, June 12, 2003, 5:21:19 PM, Amy
Burns Short wrote:
> Roy -- I just learned this term today (via a daily e-mail vocabulary
> builder) in the context of denoting newer universities in the UK.
> Most interesting.

>This is an old term, though, isn't it? I mean, been around for a
couple hundred years.

>Karen

In sense(s) *2? Not necessarily -- but possibly, on the outskirts. Here's a
copy of the missive:

Subject: redbrick: M-W's Word of the Day

The Word of the Day for Jun 11 is:
redbrick \RED-brick\ adjective

1 : built of red brick

*2 often capitalized : of, relating to, or being the British universities
founded in the 19th or early 20th century
Example sentence:

Maureen graduated with a Redbrick degree three years ago and now works in
London.

Did you know?

Although red brick is a perfectly innocent building material in America, the
British usage of "redbrick" is often potentially uncomplimentary. "Redbrick"
is a British coinage created to denote the universities which were newer and
perhaps less prestigious than Oxford and Cambridge (and sometimes the
ancient universities of Scotland). These newer universities tended to be
constructed of red brick, rather than the stone used for Oxford and
Cambridge, and were most often created in industrial cities such as
Liverpool. Sometimes the term is also used to distinguish these universities
from those built after World War II. Limited evidence suggests that
"redbrick" may be developing an extended meaning of "lower-class" or
"working class," but this is not established enough to merit dictionary
entry.

*Indicates the sense illustrated in the example sentence.

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:03:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
So there's no money involved? I don't know about you, but I live in a
state with massive deficits, and a whole lotta state workers are going
to get laid off later in the summer.


>>

Dad got room and board but not a wage.  For a young man during the
Depression, room, board, and training were important.

Evelyn Duncan
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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:05:38 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:03:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> So there's no money involved? I don't know about you, but I live in a
> state with massive deficits, and a whole lotta state workers are going
> to get laid off later in the summer.


>>>

> Dad got room and board but not a wage.  For a young man during the
> Depression, room, board, and training were important.

But his room and board cost someone money.

Karen

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 Are these orchard mason bees? I think that's what they are called. My
> memory is that don't sting. You can google on 'em--Karsten made homes
> for them, to encourage them.
>
> Karen

No, from what I saw, omb like wood.  These guys like dirt. The pots with
plants seem to not mind.  The pots with seeds haven't sprouted yet.  The
bees also don't seem to mind being watered,  I've been top watering hoping
to discourage but with no luck.

To date, no one has been stung.

Terry

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6/12/2003, 6:02 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>        I said there's WORK to be done, not that there are jobs.  I was
>>        referring to workfare as opposed to welfare.  Think the old
>>        CCC, cleaning up roadsides, etc, etc.  Things that could be
>>        done by those who are healthy and collecting welfare.  Doesn't
>>        have to be done just by prisoners, though good that they are
>>        too.

KK> So there's no money involved? I don't know about you, but I live in a
KK> state with massive deficits, and a whole lotta state workers are going
KK> to get laid off later in the summer.

        No money other than whatever they get on welfare for doing
        nothing.  If you get welfare, you could pick up trash twenty
        hours a week, or whatever.

dan

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:10:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
But his room and board cost someone money.

>>

Not much; about as much as military room and board would have
been at that time.

And the government was trying just about everything at that time
to get the economy going again.  They didn't know it would take
a war.

Evelyn Duncan
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6/12/2003, 6:05 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

ED> Dad got room and board but not a wage.  For a young man during the
ED> Depression, room, board, and training were important.

They still are.  And there are programs where that is about what they
get.  I have a nephew in PA in such a program, and he's happy to be
learning carpentry and other construction skills for a year with a
chance to re-up another year if he does well.

dan

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6/12/2003, 6:09 PM, Karen Kay wrote:


>> Dad got room and board but not a wage.  For a young man during the
>> Depression, room, board, and training were important.

KK> But his room and board cost someone money.

   And useful training and work are being done.  Benefits in long run
   and short run.  Right now your tax bucks go down the rathole and
   you get nothing for the bucks you give to someone on welfare. Why
   not have them do something useful?  Prisoners do.


dan

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02003-06-12 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> dumb ass

I love this word.

> digi

Meaning what?

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:07:35 AM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> Although red brick is a perfectly innocent building material in America, the
> British usage of "redbrick" is often potentially uncomplimentary. "Redbrick"
> is a British coinage created to denote the universities which were newer and
> perhaps less prestigious than Oxford and Cambridge (and sometimes the
> ancient universities of Scotland). These newer universities tended to be
> constructed of red brick, rather than the stone used for Oxford and
> Cambridge, and were most often created in industrial cities such as
> Liverpool.

I often thought of this term when I was at Yale, for much the same
reasons.

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:14:08 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
>  Are these orchard mason bees? I think that's what they are called. My
>> memory is that don't sting. You can google on 'em--Karsten made homes
>> for them, to encourage them.
>>
>> Karen

> No, from what I saw, omb like wood.

They put mud in the wood; that's why I thought the dirt was relevant.

> To date, no one has been stung.

I hope they aren't ever.

Karen

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> I rig a piece of monofilament fishing line parallel to and about 6" above
> the boom of my boat, which effectively keeps the gulls and terns from
> flying close to, perching on and shitting all over it. Maybe you could
> try something similar.
>
> /Jim
>

That is possible.  How's retirement going? Are you busier now?

Terry

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:31:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I apologize for any misunderstandings in advance. I'd like to hear
> some words which you REALLY HATE. Stick to ones which are non-obvious.
> Don't freakin offer "f*gg**", I know you hate it. Give me one which
> you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
> word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

Ombuds.

I thought that would make Alyce turn over in her grave.:)

Karen

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> Is a 6:30 reservation on July 2nd at Havana's good for Rashmi and
> Adam?  That's a table for four: Rashmi, Adam, Bonnie, Clyde.

I think that should be okay....I don't know yet what Rashmi's plans are for
the 1st, if she's gonna come up and we'll go from here early on the 2nd..

Plus, I have jury duty on 6/30. I hope I'm not called!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 06:57 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 5:21:19 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> > Roy -- I just learned this term today (via a daily e-mail vocabulary
> > builder) in the context of denoting newer universities in the UK.
> > Most interesting.
>
>This is an old term, though, isn't it? I mean, been around for a
>couple hundred years.

I don't know about the duration, but it's been around a while now.  From
the references in British writings, I've tended to interpret it as meaning
Post-Cambridge/Oxford.

cwv

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:14:19 PM, Dan Lester wrote:
> 6/12/2003, 6:02 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>        I said there's WORK to be done, not that there are jobs.  I was
>>>        referring to workfare as opposed to welfare.  Think the old
>>>        CCC, cleaning up roadsides, etc, etc.  Things that could be
>>>        done by those who are healthy and collecting welfare.  Doesn't
>>>        have to be done just by prisoners, though good that they are
>>>        too.

KK>> So there's no money involved? I don't know about you, but I live in a
KK>> state with massive deficits, and a whole lotta state workers are going
KK>> to get laid off later in the summer.

>         No money other than whatever they get on welfare for doing
>         nothing.  If you get welfare, you could pick up trash twenty
>         hours a week, or whatever.

Ah. The light dawns.

I can't even qualify for welfare, unfortunately.

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
> > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
>
> meds.

I hate "bennies". Thanks, this is really helping me focus my hate!

> Also, I hate it when adults call other adults "honey"  (unless
> they're strangers)

What the hell's that supposed to mean? It sounds like a nonsense,
madam!

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02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 6/12/2003 6:52:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
> aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:
>
> <<
> Also, I hate it when adults call other adults "honey"  (unless they're
> strangers)
> >>
>
> Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
> mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
> so patronizing, especially men.

There is type of black woman who doesn't sound patronizing saying it.
But that's about all!

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> I apologize for any misunderstandings in advance. I'd like to hear
> some words which you REALLY HATE. Stick to ones which are non-obvious.
> Don't freakin offer "f*gg**", I know you hate it. Give me one which
> you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
> word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

I have come to hate the term "privacy policy".
The paperwork we have filled out and/or signed in the
past few weeks is staggering.  Gene had to go out to
the hospital to have blood drawn today and signed a
raft of papers again.  He goes every few days because
they are monitoring his blood thinner, and he signs all
the papers each time.

Makes you want to scream "Yes, I want the results
of my blood test given to other people.  THAT'S WHY
I HAD THE BLOOD DRAWN . . TO GIVE THE
RESULTS TO OTHER PEOPLE!!!"

Whoever thought up this whole privacy policy thing
is a maniacal phobic.

            - D. M.

                                    - D. M.

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02003-06-12 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> I have come to hate the term "privacy policy".
> The paperwork we have filled out and/or signed in the
> past few weeks is staggering.  Gene had to go out to
> the hospital to have blood drawn today and signed a
> raft of papers again.  He goes every few days because
> they are monitoring his blood thinner, and he signs all
> the papers each time.
>
> Makes you want to scream "Yes, I want the results
> of my blood test given to other people.  THAT'S WHY
> I HAD THE BLOOD DRAWN . . TO GIVE THE
> RESULTS TO OTHER PEOPLE!!!"
>
> Whoever thought up this whole privacy policy thing
> is a maniacal phobic.

I know you hate it because you can't turn around and
sue them for helping you get well ...

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>
> Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
> mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
> so patronizing, especially men.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

Young men call you honey, Evelyn?
Hey, that's not all bad.

         - D. M.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:25:40 PM, Dan Lester wrote:
> 6/12/2003, 6:20 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
KK>> I can't even qualify for welfare, unfortunately.

>      Oh, posting rich, huh?

Uh, yeah. Right.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:27:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
Young men call you honey, Evelyn?
Hey, that's not all bad.

>>

I still don't like it.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:29:25 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> > He goes every few days because
> > they are monitoring his blood thinner, and he signs all
> > the papers each time.
>
> I thought you were only supposed to have to do it once.
>
> Karen

He has signed them for every doctor, for every
department of the University Hospital, for every
clinic, for every procedure he had done, etc. etc.

I would not be surprised if a paper must be
signed before a bedpan is removed.

               - D. M.

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> > Whoever thought up this whole privacy policy thing
> > is a maniacal phobic.
Tushar:
> I know you hate it because you can't turn around and
> sue them for helping you get well ...

I know you are being funny, but think about it.
I am the one who never  considered suing
the surgeon who put the wrong size part in my
hip socket.  I don't think that way.

                      - D. M.

>

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> Joining Words-L changed your life?!

It sure changed my life!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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> > Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
> > mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
> > so patronizing, especially men.

I'll have to add that most waitresses in diners etc sound OK saying
it. These types always call me honey or sweetheart and I have never
particularly hated it.

Change of topic: there's a place called Heaven on Seven in Chicago,
serving "Cajun" food, whatever the genre means (maybe it means you
can burn the fish and it's OK ...) I remember it used to be pretty
good, but I went there recently and man it's gotten la-ame. The food
was bland, of course, and the wait staff was all these damn smiling
corn fed all-American girls from Galena or something! Where did the
demented weird women leering and winking at you go? Sheeet ...

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:26:51 -0500
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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:29:25 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
> He goes every few days because
> they are monitoring his blood thinner, and he signs all
> the papers each time.

I thought you were only supposed to have to do it once.

Karen

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> Nope, TMBG.
>
> Common Rotation covers it, though.
> And, as I see from a quick Google,
> John Linnell played on a Common
> Rotation record.

Ah. Well, the reason I asked is because I happened to see Common Rotation
the other night - they opened for Sarah Harmer, who is excellent and whom I
highly recommend.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
listening now to an autoharp CD Neal recommended

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02003-06-12 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > > Whoever thought up this whole privacy policy thing
> > > is a maniacal phobic.
> Tushar:
> > I know you hate it because you can't turn around and
> > sue them for helping you get well ...
>
> I know you are being funny, but think about it.
> I am the one who never  considered suing
> the surgeon who put the wrong size part in my
> hip socket.  I don't think that way.

Enough people must have done that, though ... Personally,
I am trying to teach myself the suing mentality. I mean
I don't want to be a frivolous litigator--who does--but
it shouldn't be like a certain possibility of recourse
doesn't even occur to you ....

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> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
>
> Ann

Huh. Never heard of such a thing in all my life. The things one learns on
this <service>.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Ombuds.

Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
be pretty vile ...

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6/12/2003, 6:20 PM, Karen Kay wrote:


KK> I can't even qualify for welfare, unfortunately.

     Oh, posting rich, huh?


dan

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02003-06-12 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
> >
> > Ann
>
> Huh. Never heard of such a thing in all my life. The things one learns on
> this <service>.

I do apologize!

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02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:27:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
>
> <<
> Young men call you honey, Evelyn?
> Hey, that's not all bad.
> >>
>
> I still don't like it.

There was this woman who worked at the coffee shop three years
ago, and many young men called her honey, or similar. I didn't
like it at all. Then one day I heard some nasty guy asking her,
"how's it going, red?" Hearing that "red" made me understand
what I hated about "honey". BTW she wore bangles which reminded
me of my mother, but that's neither here nor there ...

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Did anyone mention onlist the deaths of Gregory Peck and David
Brinkley?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:39:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> corn fed all-American girls from Galena or something! Where did the

Have you ever been to Galena? I really like that place.

Karen

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I've resubbed to ask a question that I don't know where else to ask.  I
am hoping that this question won't drive Dan or others off of the list.
And I am hoping that somebody can give me an answer.

I dropped my cell-phone service after my mother died because I didn't
need it anymore.  Even before that, I used it maybe five minutes a month
on the average.  I've been thinking about how a cell phone might be
useful for upcoming travels in July and August.  So I've been surfing
the web for info and have found something that looks good.  But I have
questions.  It's on the Walmart site (which makes me feel bad because of
Alyce -- oh how I miss her):

http://tinyurl.com/e73a

The way I'm reading this, you can pay only about $8 a month even if you
want to keep the phone/number forever -- and it's good anywhere in the
country, which is the point for me since I have no use for a cell phone
when I'm at home.  Is there something I'm misunderstanding about this
situation?  And does it work everywhere -- as in I can just walk into my
local Walmart and set it up?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:51:47 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
>>
>> Ann

> Huh. Never heard of such a thing in all my life. The things one learns on
> this <service>.

We've talked about it before. Natalie used it, I think.

Karen

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On Fri, 24 May 2002 20:53:30 -0500 Natalie Maynor said;
>> You are the exception, though. Let's see: Judith, Neal, (where's Tony?),
>> Elwood, Marty, (Block Island was hostless, eh?), Jim, ... Karen next?

> You left out Chris and Carol -- of Salmonbake.  They vanished.  Marty
> doesn't really count in the picture since he hadn't really been around
> much for ages before he hosted.

> Tony is surely still with us.  He sometimes lapses into silence, but I
> know he will return.  Maybe he's still celebrating Victoria Day.
Gentle Natalie,
   I still believe that Elwood might appear again, someday.  I know that he reads
the archives when he is able to.
 
Peace,
Elwood P.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:52:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Ombuds.

> Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
> be pretty vile ...

I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'. I'll click on it
tomorrow morning and let you know.

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:57:41 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Did anyone mention onlist the deaths of Gregory Peck and David
> Brinkley?

Alec, hours ago.

Karen

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How very, very weird -- to read something I wrote eons ago:

"L-Soft list server at UGA (1.8d)" wrote:
>
> Dear New Subscriber,
>
> Welcome to WORDS-L.  If you are new to the world of electronic
> lists or have limited experience with it, you should keep in mind
> that joining a list is like walking into a room where conversations
> are underway.  The normal behavior in such a situation is to listen
> to the conversations in order to determine the subject matter and
> context, join the conversations that interest you, introduce a new
> topic if you find the conversations boring, or leave the room if
> you find the group dull or offensive.
>
> The discussions on WORDS-L are wide-ranging.  Although the list
> began as a forum for discussion of the English language, it has evolved
> through the years into a discussion of anything the subscribers want to
> discuss.  If you are looking for a single-topic list, you will probably
> not be happy here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:52:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Ombuds.
>
> > Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
> > be pretty vile ...
>
> I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.

I know THAT. Sheesh

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I'm torn between saying "I'm very glad you've resubbed, Natalie" and
giving you the normal newbie hazing.

What the hell! I'm glad you're back, Natalie. How many eggslots does
your refrigerator have?

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:39:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > corn fed all-American girls from Galena or something! Where did the
>
> Have you ever been to Galena?

No.

> I really like that place.

I apologize.

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02003-06-12 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I've resubbed to ask a question that I don't know where else to ask.

That does it.

Adios!

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:36:00 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:52:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Ombuds.
>>
>> > Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
>> > be pretty vile ...
>>
>> I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.

> I know THAT. Sheesh

Well, there was a time people said 'ombudsperson'.

Karen

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> http://tinyurl.com/e73a
>
> The way I'm reading this, you can pay only about $8 a month even if you
> want to keep the phone/number forever -- and it's good anywhere in the
> country, which is the point for me since I have no use for a cell phone
> when I'm at home.  Is there something I'm misunderstanding about this
> situation?  And does it work everywhere -- as in I can just walk into my
> local Walmart and set it up?

I think you need to buy a new phone that works with TracFone. I don't think
you'll be able to use the phone that had the now-cancelled service. From the
website, you also have to buy a new card and activate it (e.g. use it) every
2 months...but you get that part.

As to where it's good and how it's set up, I know not.

--Adam

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:36:36 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:39:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > corn fed all-American girls from Galena or something! Where did the
>>
>> Have you ever been to Galena?

> No.

You should--it's a nice day trip from Chicago, and you can go to the
lead mining museum and Grant's house.

>> I really like that place.

> I apologize.

As well you should.

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 12:45:46 PM, Jim Bradley wrote:
> I rig a piece of monofilament fishing line parallel to and about 6" above
> the boom of my boat, which effectively keeps the gulls and terns from flying
> close to, perching on and shitting all over it. Maybe you could try something
> similar.

This is *mean*--but I like it.

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:36:36 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:39:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > corn fed all-American girls from Galena or something! Where did the
> >>
> >> Have you ever been to Galena?
>
> > No.
>
> You should--it's a nice day trip from Chicago, and you can go to the
> lead mining museum and Grant's house.

I know what's there. I just didn't feel like going to a place
with 10,000 oldey-worldey cottage-y touristy storefronts. But
if you insist I'll go.

> >> I really like that place.
>
> > I apologize.
>
> As well you should.

Sorry you feel that way.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I think you need to buy a new phone that works with TracFone. I don't think
> you'll be able to use the phone that had the now-cancelled service.

Yes, I understand that I will probably have to buy a new phone (even
though the Cellular South people told me when I bought my phone and
their service that there was something <special> about how their phones
could be reprogammed for any service -- but that was a couple of years
ago).

> From the
> website, you also have to buy a new card and activate it (e.g. use it) every
> 2 months...but you get that part.

Right.  But for $16.something every two months, that wouldn't be bad,
even if I wanted to keep it.  And one thing I'm thinking is that maybe
if I bought the required phone and then activated it for two months, the
phone would still work if I decided six months later to reactivate it.
I don't care about the phone number.  It wouldn't matter to me for the
phone number to change with each reactivation.  I would need that number
temporarily only -- like to give to Furrbabies when traveling.

> As to where it's good and how it's set up, I know not.

Thanks for your thoughts!  I will inquire at my local Wmart, although
that is always iffy since the employees there are widely varying in
knowledgeability.  Between semesters it's always bad.  But this is
summer school, when they quite likely have some knowledgeable students
working there.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:04 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:09:59 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> >> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> >> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> >> the party, which you think of on your way down.
>
> > I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
>
>I was briefly Having A Life, thank you very much.

I thought you were working.

Betty

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02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:04 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:09:59 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> >>> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> >>> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> >>> the party, which you think of on your way down.
> >
> >> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
> >
> >I was briefly Having A Life, thank you very much.
>
> I thought you were working.

But what was I?

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Did you get the "bless your heart" message when you unsubscribed? :-)

Doris A. Smith -- dormarbil@earthlink.net




> How very, very weird -- to read something I wrote eons ago:
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> "L-Soft list server at UGA (1.8d)" wrote:
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At 07:18 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-12 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > dumb ass
>
>I love this word.
>
> > digi
>
>Meaning what?

digital camera.  I should have listed it has digi camera.  I apologize
profusely.

Betty

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At 07:29 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > I apologize for any misunderstandings in advance. I'd like to hear
> > some words which you REALLY HATE. Stick to ones which are non-obvious.
> > Don't freakin offer "f*gg**", I know you hate it. Give me one which
> > you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
> > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
>
>I have come to hate the term "privacy policy".
>The paperwork we have filled out and/or signed in the
>past few weeks is staggering.  Gene had to go out to
>the hospital to have blood drawn today and signed a
>raft of papers again.  He goes every few days because
>they are monitoring his blood thinner, and he signs all
>the papers each time.
>
>Makes you want to scream "Yes, I want the results
>of my blood test given to other people.  THAT'S WHY
>I HAD THE BLOOD DRAWN . . TO GIVE THE
>RESULTS TO OTHER PEOPLE!!!"
>
>Whoever thought up this whole privacy policy thing
>is a maniacal phobic.

We only make them do it once.  It's checked off that it's been signed in
the computer.

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How about "stink"?
phlegm
prissy
"hon"
smiley

Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
I apologize for any misunderstandings in advance. I'd like to hear
some words which you REALLY HATE. Stick to ones which are non-obvious.
Don't freakin offer "f*gg**", I know you hate it. Give me one which
you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

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>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com
>listening now to an autoharp CD Neal recommended

Have you heard from him lately? Doesn't he usually have some contest with
baseball trivia about now?

Betty

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At 08:36 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:52:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > >> Ombuds.
> >
> > > Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
> > > be pretty vile ...
> >
> > I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.
>
>I know THAT. Sheesh

In Berkeley it's ombudsPERSON.

Betty

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> >listening now to an autoharp CD Neal recommended
>
> Have you heard from him lately? Doesn't he usually have some contest with
> baseball trivia about now?

He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't talked to
him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
private information??)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Does anybody have the slightest idea who the most intensive listeners
of NPR are?

I think not.

AFRICAN CAB DRIVERS.

It's a fact. All Ethiopians, Nigerians, Ghanaians, Moroccans and
Senegalese have WBEZ (the NPR-carrying station) on in the cab 24x7.

I didn't realize it consciously myself, until I took a cab recently.
I couldn't figure out if the driver was American or African, so I
was about to get him to talk--when suddenly the All Things Considered
theme came on, and my question was answered. Of course, listening to
him talk merely confirmed my deduction. I realized that I had known
all along the reliable indicator of African origin in the cabbie
world ...

I bet nobody at NPR knows this either ... They should get off their
FATASS[tm] and put together a Nigerian Taxi Driver show ... I mean,
wow, the demographic they have their whole programming aimed at--
couldn't be more different than lower middle-class African immigrants.

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Speaking of cottage-y, which you were, how does one differentiate between cottage-y - cabin - bungalow?

Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:02003-06-12 | Karen Kay writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:36:36 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay writes:
> >> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:39:59 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > corn fed all-American girls from Galena or something! Where did the
> >>
> >> Have you ever been to Galena?
>
> > No.
>
> You should--it's a nice day trip from Chicago, and you can go to the
> lead mining museum and Grant's house.

I know what's there. I just didn't feel like going to a place
with 10,000 oldey-worldey cottage-y touristy storefronts. But
if you insist I'll go.

> >> I really like that place.
>
> > I apologize.
>
> As well you should.

Sorry you feel that way.


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02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:18 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-12 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> dumb ass
> >
> >I love this word.
> >
> >> digi
> >
> >Meaning what?
>
> digital camera.  I should have listed it has digi camera.  I apologize
> profusely.

Ugh. By the way I HATE the spelling "cel" phone.

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At 08:40 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Doris Smith wrote:
>Did you get the "bless your heart" message when you unsubscribed? :-)
>
>Doris A. Smith -- dormarbil@earthlink.net

Doris!  I've thought of you often.  How are you??

Betty

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At 10:08 PM 6/12/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > >listening now to an autoharp CD Neal recommended
> >
> > Have you heard from him lately? Doesn't he usually have some contest with
> > baseball trivia about now?
>
>He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't talked to
>him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
>private information??)

Nothing is private around here.  I'll never forget Raye eating that ice
cream cone when we were at Block Island.  One of my favorite images.

Betty

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At 08:59 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:04 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:09:59 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >>> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> > >>> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> > >>> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> > >>> the party, which you think of on your way down.
> > >
> > >> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
> > >
> > >I was briefly Having A Life, thank you very much.
> >
> > I thought you were working.
>
>But what was I?

You don't want me to tell you.  You'd unsub probably and I wouldn't apologize.

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02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:59 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:04 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:09:59 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >>> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> >> >>> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> >> >>> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> >> >>> the party, which you think of on your way down.
> >> >
> >> >> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
> >> >
> >> >I was briefly Having A Life, thank you very much.
> >>
> >> I thought you were working.
> >
> >But what was I?
>
> You don't want me to tell you.  You'd unsub probably and I wouldn't
> apologize.

I said no tags back!

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What really bugs me are all of the nouns that have become verbs, i.e. "impact", "context", etc.

Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:02003-06-12 | Karen Kay writes:
> Ombuds.

Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
be pretty vile ...


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02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Speaking of cottage-y, which you were, how does one differentiate between
> cottage-y - cabin - bungalow?

I am not the one to ask this to, but ... a cottage is deliberately
cute, hence it gives offense. A cabin has a form which follows its
function, hence it's not cute but good. A bungalow is a large cabin
with eccentric and luxurious modifications, hence it's also good,
unless built by an anal retentive bozo or a Donald Trump kind of
person.

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Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber writes:
> Speaking of cottage-y, which you were, how does one differentiate between
> cottage-y - cabin - bungalow?

I am not the one to ask this to, but ... a cottage is deliberately
cute, hence it gives offense. A cabin has a form which follows its
function, hence it's not cute but good. A bungalow is a large cabin
with eccentric and luxurious modifications, hence it's also good,
unless built by an anal retentive bozo or a Donald Trump kind of
person.

Food for thought, but all points pretty well taken, I think.  Anyone else?



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re:  Esprit d'escalier.

> > Huh. Never heard of such a thing in all my life. The things one learns
>on
> > this <service>.

>We've talked about it before.

It's one of my faves - words I don't hate, I spose.

-rashmi

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:10:53 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
> >> > is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
> >> > the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
> >> > the party, which you think of on your way down.
> >> I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
> > I am sorry you had to think that.
> Not me, I'm flattered.

You know I think Tushar may be wrong, about "on your way down."  Wouldn't
it be on your way up?

Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?

(I was thinking about being the hostess or something, leaving the whole
party after it was dead, going upstairs.  THAT WAS WRONG.)

Ann

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02003-06-12 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> I am not the one to ask this to, but ... a cottage is deliberately
> cute, hence it gives offense. A cabin has a form which follows its
> function, hence it's not cute but good. A bungalow is a large cabin
> with eccentric and luxurious modifications, hence it's also good,
> unless built by an anal retentive bozo or a Donald Trump kind of
> person.

Oh ... and a "house" is a white rectangular wooden box with sloping
roofs and a porch.

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02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Food for thought, but all points pretty well taken, I think.

I do apologize ...

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> Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?

Wrong again, probably.  It might be in an apartment building, inside the
building but outside the apartment?

Please!  Tell me!  How do you imagine this?  Up or down, and what's the
staircase like and where is it?

Ann

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At 02:26 AM 6/13/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>re:  Esprit d'escalier.
>
>> > Huh. Never heard of such a thing in all my life. The things one learns
>>on
>> > this <service>.
>
>>We've talked about it before.
>
>It's one of my faves - words I don't hate, I spose.

faves, now there is a word to hate!

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> word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

I HATE the word DYNAMIC !

Marie

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The word I hate the most is

'rents [for parents]

Bethany

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AnnB:

>Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
>staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?

It's the brilliant retort you think of as you go UP the stairs
after the guests have left.

-rashmi

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The Feb. 2003 issue of Consumer Reports ranked Verizon and Alltel
CDMA tri-mode phones as follows;
1. LG TM510
2. LG VX1 (VX10)
3.Kyocera KWC 2235
4. Motorola V270C
5. Audiovox 9155-GPX
6. Motorola V120c (V120e)
7. Motorola V60c (V60i)
Above info from chart on page 23.
Ratings were based on Voice Quality, Sensitivity, Ease of Use,
Battery Life and Talk Time.

The top rated LG TM510 has a port for an external antenna. It can be
hooked up to a laptop and car charging cable at the same time.

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: three weeks to fest
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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> > staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
>
> Wrong again, probably.  It might be in an apartment building, inside the
> building but outside the apartment?
>
> Please!  Tell me!  How do you imagine this?  Up or down, and what's the
> staircase like and where is it?

First of all, I am sincerely sorry that you were WRONG. I just thought
they held parties upstairs in France--or should I say "soirees"?--because
they are weird and have apartments and salons or whatever above stores.

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At 07:30 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> > staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
>
>Wrong again, probably.  It might be in an apartment building, inside the
>building but outside the apartment?
>
>Please!  Tell me!  How do you imagine this?  Up or down, and what's the
>staircase like and where is it?

You can't get there from here.

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02003-06-13 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> AnnB:
>
> >Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> >staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
>
> It's the brilliant retort you think of as you go UP the stairs
> after the guests have left.

I apologize for your total wrongness. Why does the host have to
be witty? He is already the host. This is the predicament of the
nerd who is struggling to distinguish himself somehow. The juice
of frustrated loserhood oozes through the phrase. Feel it, "Rashmi".
It is all of "Prufrock" compressed in two words. (Good thing too,
the poem suxx0rs).

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> >Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> >staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
>
> It's the brilliant retort you think of as you go UP the stairs
> after the guests have left.

Oh good!  That's what I thought at first.  But isn't this thinking
rich? YESSSS !  Rich and French.

Ann

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>The top rated LG TM510 has a port for an external antenna. It can be
>hooked up to a laptop and car charging cable at the same time.


You could be on line while driving to AcadiaFest!

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I'm doing quite well, and have become accustomed to the slower pace and
inability to do some of the things the way I used to - but one is never too
old to change. :-)

I'm "mail" and "nomail" and "signed off" and "signed on" where Words-L is
concerned - you people *talk* too much and it's hard to get other things
done when I'm catching up on what's going on.............

Sounds like the annual gathering is going to actually happen this year.

Doris


> Doris!  I've thought of you often.  How are you??
>
> Betty
>

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Also, I hate it when adults call other adults "honey"  (unless
> > they're strangers)
>
> What the hell's that supposed to mean? It sounds like a nonsense,
> madam!

I hate it when cozy wifies and hubbies call each other 'honey'.

It makes me think they have no sex life at all, and I hate knowing things
that intimate.

ALSO I hate the word 'hubby' but I doubt anybody says it any more.
Anymore.

Ann

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Karen:

>If I weren't already terrified, I would be now.

Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
every word spoken by career transition consultants.

-rashmi

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02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:30 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> >> staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
> >
> >Wrong again, probably.  It might be in an apartment building, inside the
> >building but outside the apartment?
> >
> >Please!  Tell me!  How do you imagine this?  Up or down, and what's the
> >staircase like and where is it?
>
> You can't get there from here.

And yet, most Americans have.

Stick that in your digi camera and scan it with your scaphoid, "dumb ass".

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> > Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
> > mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
> > so patronizing, especially men.
>
> There is type of black woman who doesn't sound patronizing saying it.
> But that's about all!

I like being called honey, sweetheart, etc. etc. by complete strangers.

Ann

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Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin writes:
> > Hmmm no, I must be wrong. It would be on your way down the outside
> > staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
>
> Wrong again, probably.

First of all, I am sincerely sorry that you were WRONG. I just thought
they held parties upstairs in France--or should I say "soirees"?--because
they are weird and have apartments and salons or whatever above stores.

When we were taught about this phrase, it was somehow implied that the "esprit" suddenly struck as he/she were ascending an indoor staircase.  How we arrived at this conclusion, I will probably never know, but I love its nuance, and it sounds good, too.



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02003-06-13 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Karen:
>
> >If I weren't already terrified, I would be now.
>
> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> every word spoken by career transition consultants.

Is the nature of your transition private information?

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> > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
>
> I HATE the word DYNAMIC !

You know, maybe I have to take it back. I hate the way two people I have known have (over)used the word DYNAMIC. If it were left alone to occur naturally, it probably wouldn't be so bad. But three times in a frigging presentation, fer chrissakes!

Marie

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02003-06-12 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> The word I hate the most is
>
> 'rents [for parents]

I am sorry you are such a 'tard.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Ugh. By the way I HATE the spelling "cel" phone.

I have a problem with 'mic' but I'm getting over it.

Ann

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:40:12 PM, Doris Smith wrote:
> Did you get the "bless your heart" message when you unsubscribed? :-)

YaY!

I think of you and Nancy every time my housemate tells me how much
better the weather is in Austin.:) (He lives in Houston.)

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Also, I hate it when adults call other adults "honey"  (unless
> > > they're strangers)
> >
> > What the hell's that supposed to mean? It sounds like a nonsense,
> > madam!
>
> I hate it when cozy wifies and hubbies call each other 'honey'.

Oh, that! Yeah! I know!

> It makes me think they have no sex life at all, and I hate knowing things
> that intimate.

Well, I never!

> ALSO I hate the word 'hubby' but I doubt anybody says it any more.
> Anymore.

They may not say it but they sure type it. I think it's a staple of
HarridanBlogs netwide...

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:03:50 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 07:04 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 6:09:59 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> >> According to Howard Rheingold, yes. But the one I know
>> >> is French--something like "wit of the staircase". I.e.
>> >> the brilliant gag which would have made you the hit of
>> >> the party, which you think of on your way down.
>>
>> > I thought for sure Karen would get this one first.  Esprit d'escalier.
>>
>>I was briefly Having A Life, thank you very much.

> I thought you were working.

I am. I was done working when I was Having A Life.

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> What really bugs me are all of the nouns that have become verbs, i.e.
> "impact", "context", etc.

Well said! Didn't know about "context" ... wow, I hate it intensely.
Only Ken Miller would defend a word this sucky. Are you cute?

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At 09:40 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Doris Smith wrote:
>I'm doing quite well, and have become accustomed to the slower pace and
>inability to do some of the things the way I used to - but one is never too
>old to change. :-)
>
>I'm "mail" and "nomail" and "signed off" and "signed on" where Words-L is
>concerned - you people *talk* too much and it's hard to get other things
>done when I'm catching up on what's going on.............
>
>Sounds like the annual gathering is going to actually happen this year.
>
>Doris

What a wonderful report! What are you trying to get done?

The Fest That Didn't Fly was quite successful actually. Lots of people
called Karen all day long. I missed talking to you on your birthday!

B

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----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: Words you hate

> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > Ugh. By the way I HATE the spelling "cel" phone.
>
> I have a problem with 'mic' but I'm getting over it.

I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.

Marie

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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> > > Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
> > > mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
> > > so patronizing, especially men.
> >
> > There is type of black woman who doesn't sound patronizing saying it.
> > But that's about all!
>
> I like being called honey, sweetheart, etc. etc. by complete strangers.

Bless your heart, honey!

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Betty:

>faves, now there is a word to hate!

HA! I knew it. Someone would chime in with
'faves is a word to hate'. I had my money on
Betty or Doris.

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> Did you get the "bless your heart" message when you unsubscribed? :-)
>
> Doris A. Smith -- dormarbil@earthlink.net
>


Hello Doris,

 Glad to see you!  How are those Grandbabes?

Terry

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02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
>
> I HATE the word DYNAMIC !

Me too ... I think we have chemistry.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:14:35 PM, Betty wrote:
> At 08:36 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:52:49 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > >> Ombuds.
>> >
>> > > Is it a phrase? Like "ombudsing" an issue? Because that would
>> > > be pretty vile ...
>> >
>> > I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.
>>
>>I know THAT. Sheesh

> In Berkeley it's ombudsPERSON.

Which is also a PC backformation. I think Dell just removed the
personhood entirely. Or maybe... An ombud is someone you medidate
with?

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I bet nobody at NPR knows this either ... They should get off their
> FATASS[tm] and put together a Nigerian Taxi Driver show ...

AfroPop Worldwide!

Karen

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't talked to
> him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
> private information??)

Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.

Karen

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> 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
> >
> > I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
>
> Me too ... I think we have chemistry.

You ARE hitting on me!

Marie

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02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:45 pm
> Subject: Re: Words you hate
>
> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > Ugh. By the way I HATE the spelling "cel" phone.
> >
> > I have a problem with 'mic' but I'm getting over it.
>
> I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.

Excellent ... excellent. I think there is a closet crammed
with cel/mic/frig haters, and this week be done it's going
to be blown wide open. Flaunt it baby! We don't need to go
to steenkin Ontario for this!

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Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber writes:
> What really bugs me are all of the nouns that have become verbs, i.e.
> "impact", "context", etc.

Well said! Didn't know about "context" ... wow, I hate it intensely.
Only Ken Miller would defend a word this sucky. Are you cute?

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02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > > > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > > > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
> > >
> > > I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
> >
> > Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
>
> You ARE hitting on me!

I apologize that that's the way you conceptualize our dynamic.

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Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber writes:
> Most folks are fond of me only for my mind.

How shallow of them ...

I must modestly agree.



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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> The word I hate the most is
>>
>> 'rents [for parents]
>
>I am sorry you are such a 'tard.

I 'gize, 'shar.

Bethany

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Thursday, June 12, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I don't know what AfroPop is (and apologize for my participation
> > in this miscommunication), but I am pretty damn sure these Nigerian
> > cabbies would hate it more than the word "dynamic".
>
> I think they'd love it.

Why must you THINK? Why can't you just BE?

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02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:43 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >> At 07:30 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >> Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> >> >> staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
> >> >
> >> >Wrong again, probably.  It might be in an apartment building, inside the
> >> >building but outside the apartment?
> >> >
> >> >Please!  Tell me!  How do you imagine this?  Up or down, and what's the
> >> >staircase like and where is it?
> >>
> >> You can't get there from here.
> >
> >And yet, most Americans have.
> >
> >Stick that in your digi camera and scan it with your scaphoid, "dumb ass".
>
> Stick it in your ear, Samant.

Is there an ombud in the house?

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> 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> >
> > I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.
>

Well that's pretty funny because "fridge" is a word I hate but I was
loath to mention it, wimp that I am.

Ann

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I bet nobody at NPR knows this either ... They should get off their
> > FATASS[tm] and put together a Nigerian Taxi Driver show ...
>
> AfroPop Worldwide!

I don't know what AfroPop is (and apologize for my participation
in this miscommunication), but I am pretty damn sure these Nigerian
cabbies would hate it more than the word "dynamic".

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On Thursday, June 12, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I don't know what AfroPop is (and apologize for my participation
> in this miscommunication), but I am pretty damn sure these Nigerian
> cabbies would hate it more than the word "dynamic".

I think they'd love it.

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > >
> > > I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.
> >
>
> Well that's pretty funny because "fridge" is a word I hate but I was
> loath to mention it, wimp that I am.

I sincerely regret your wimpdom. What you were risking was having
a fridge hit you as you logged out and went up the stairs.

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At 07:42 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>ALSO I hate the word 'hubby' but I doubt anybody says it any more.
>Anymore.

Yes!  I see it on my RV lists. Yuk.

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02003-06-12 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> The word I hate the most is
> >>
> >> 'rents [for parents]
> >
> >I am sorry you are such a 'tard.
>
> I 'gize, 'shar.

'sokay.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:42:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> I know what's there. I just didn't feel like going to a place
> with 10,000 oldey-worldey cottage-y touristy storefronts. But
> if you insist I'll go.

Oh, if it's become like that, forget it. I went there before it was
trendy. No touristy storefronts. (Though there's a doll museum there,
I think.)

Karen

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At 09:43 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-12 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 07:30 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > >> Hmmm no, I must be wrong.  It would be on your way down the outside
> > >> staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
> > >
> > >Wrong again, probably.  It might be in an apartment building, inside the
> > >building but outside the apartment?
> > >
> > >Please!  Tell me!  How do you imagine this?  Up or down, and what's the
> > >staircase like and where is it?
> >
> > You can't get there from here.
>
>And yet, most Americans have.
>
>Stick that in your digi camera and scan it with your scaphoid, "dumb ass".

Stick it in your ear, Samant.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:02:36 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> On Thursday, June 12, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>> > I don't know what AfroPop is (and apologize for my participation
>> > in this miscommunication), but I am pretty damn sure these Nigerian
>> > cabbies would hate it more than the word "dynamic".
>>
>> I think they'd love it.

> Why must you THINK? Why can't you just BE?

Because it's who we are.

Karen

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 8:42:33 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I know what's there. I just didn't feel like going to a place
> > with 10,000 oldey-worldey cottage-y touristy storefronts. But
> > if you insist I'll go.
>
> Oh, if it's become like that, forget it. I went there before it was
> trendy. No touristy storefronts. (Though there's a doll museum there,
> I think.)

Thank you, honey.

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:02:36 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> On Thursday, June 12, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> > I don't know what AfroPop is (and apologize for my participation
> >> > in this miscommunication), but I am pretty damn sure these Nigerian
> >> > cabbies would hate it more than the word "dynamic".
> >>
> >> I think they'd love it.
>
> > Why must you THINK? Why can't you just BE?
>
> Because it's who we are.

Not "because". It's "ergo" we are.

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At 02:39 AM 6/13/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty:
>
>>faves, now there is a word to hate!
>
>HA! I knew it. Someone would chime in with
>'faves is a word to hate'. I had my money on
>Betty or Doris.

Well, honey, you won!

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At 09:51 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> > > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> > > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
> >
> > I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
>
>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.

Evil twins, no doubt.

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At 09:52 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't talked to
> > him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
> > private information??)
>
>Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.

We'll wait for Alex's pronouncement.

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02003-06-12 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Most folks are fond of me only for my mind.

How shallow of them ...

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02003-06-12 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:12:08 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 09:51 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> >> > > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> >> > > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> >> > > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
> >> >
> >> > I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
> >>
> >>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
>
> > Evil twins, no doubt.
>
> How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?

"Scaphoides"

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Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
02003-06-12 | Betty writes:
> At 09:43 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-12 | Betty writes:
> >> At 07:30 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> >> Hmmm no, I must be wrong. It would be on your way down the outside

Yes, but it's a late bloomer.
> >> >> staircase, outside the house, after leaving, right?
> >> >
> >> >Wrong again, probably. It might be in an apartment building, inside the
> >> >building but outside the apartment?
> >> >
> >> >Please! Tell me! How do you imagine this? Up or down, and what's the
> >> >staircase like and where is it?
> >>
> >> You can't get there from here.
> >
> >And yet, most Americans have.
> >
> >Stick that in your digi camera and scan it with your scaphoid, "dumb ass".
>
> Stick it in your ear, Samant.

Is there an ombud in the house?



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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:13:09 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 09:52 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't talked to
>> > him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
>> > private information??)
>>
>>Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.

> We'll wait for Alex's pronouncement.

LOL. Yes, the privacy police.

Well, time to go to sleep. I have to get up early and GO TO WORK in
the morning.

Karen

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At 10:08 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:13:09 PM, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 09:52 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> > He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't
> talked to
> >> > him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
> >> > private information??)
> >>
> >>Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.
>
> > We'll wait for Alex's pronouncement.
>
>LOL. Yes, the privacy police.
>
>Well, time to go to sleep. I have to get up early and GO TO WORK in
>the morning.

YaY.

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----- Original Message -----
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> > 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > >
> > > I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.
> >
>
> Well that's pretty funny because "fridge" is a word I hate but I was
> loath to mention it, wimp that I am.
>
> Ann



loath
wimp


   - D. M.

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:12:08 PM, Betty wrote:

> At 09:51 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
>> > > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
>> > > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
>> > > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
>> >
>> > I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
>>
>>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.

> Evil twins, no doubt.

How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?

Karen

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--On Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:42 PM -0500 Tushar Samant
<scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:

>
> I know what's there. I just didn't feel like going to a place
> with 10,000 oldey-worldey cottage-y touristy storefronts. But
> if you insist I'll go.

Please write a whtmig.  Discuss feelings when seeing oldey-worldey
cottage-y touristy storefronts and what they hold.  Please then discuss the
rules for using ey as opposed to y endings.  Limit apologies to 1 every 4th
word.

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You must have a humongous house...............

Doris

>
> I think of you and Nancy every time my housemate tells me how much
> better the weather is in Austin.:) (He lives in Houston.)
>
> Karen
>

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There are now three grandbabes  -  Ben (our son's son) will be 10 on
Saturday, and our daughter and husband have a 2-year old daughter and a
7-month old son. They are all doing well.  And how are your little ones?

Doris


> Hello Doris,
>
>  Glad to see you!  How are those Grandbabes?
>
> Terry
>

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> There are now three grandbabes  -  Ben (our son's son) will be 10 on
> Saturday, and our daughter and husband have a 2-year old daughter and a
> 7-month old son. They are all doing well.  And how are your little ones?
>
> Doris

I remember Ben, he's just younger than Lillia.  Was it really 2 years ago
you went on your trek?  Edward is almost 2, 21 months on the 17th.  William
will be 9 in August.  They keep me busy.

Terry

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Doris Smith wrote:

> You must have a humongous house...............
>

humongous!

Ann

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> When we were taught about this phrase, it was somehow implied that the

"esprit" suddenly struck as he/she were ascending an indoor staircase.  How we
 arrived at this conclusion, I will probably never know, but I love its
 nuance, and it sounds good, too.

Have we had a vote?  I meant to keep track.  Esprit d'escalier, is that
when you're going up or down?

I want it to be up.  But I'm afraid it's down.

I just can't figure out how to figure this out, without joining a French
words-l.  I am really bummed to realize I have no more French friends,
none anymore.

Oh forget it, forget voting, you wouldn't count anyway!  I'm going to look
for a French person.  I can wait a long time.

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6/12/2003, 6:38 PM, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> I would not be surprised if a paper must be
DM> signed before a bedpan is removed.

I'd hope they let the patient use the paper before removing the
bedpan.


dan

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6/12/2003, 7:17 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I've resubbed to ask a question that I don't know where else to ask.  I
NM> am hoping that this question won't drive Dan or others off of the list.

You've never driven me off the list, or anyone else that I know of.


NM> The way I'm reading this, you can pay only about $8 a month even if you
NM> want to keep the phone/number forever -- and it's good anywhere in the
NM> country, which is the point for me since I have no use for a cell phone
NM> when I'm at home.  Is there something I'm misunderstanding about this
NM> situation?

I'm not taking the time to examine the particular plan, but I set mine
up at the local Costco.  And then we got rid of the wired phone,
saving us money and giving us convenience (we have two phones)

NM>  And does it work everywhere -- as in I can just walk into my
NM> local Walmart and set it up?

Ask to see their map of the service area.  We have TMobile and it
works in all major cities and many other areas, but is useless in most
of Nebraska, Montana, NDak, SDak, and so forth.  Not the one you'd
want for interstate highway cruising in the west.  Other companies
cover essentially all interstates and much more of the country, but
that wasn't important to us.  The map will tell you if it does what
you want.

dan

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6/12/2003, 8:58 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> > I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.
>>

AB> Well that's pretty funny because "fridge" is a word I hate but I was
AB> loath to mention it, wimp that I am.

      To me fridge is the think in the kitchen.  Frig is a euphemistic verb.

dan

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02003-06-12 | Terry Wild <twild@URI.EDU> writes:
> --On Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:42 PM -0500 Tushar Samant
> <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> >
> >I know what's there. I just didn't feel like going to a place
> >with 10,000 oldey-worldey cottage-y touristy storefronts. But
> >if you insist I'll go.
>
> Please write a whtmig.  Discuss feelings when seeing oldey-worldey
> cottage-y touristy storefronts and what they hold.  Please then discuss the
> rules for using ey as opposed to y endings.  Limit apologies to 1 every 4th
> word.

Bless your heart, sweetheart ...

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = > It's working for me too.
= > = >
= > = > It is very cool!
= > =
= > = Good one! LOL
= >
= > That wasn't supposed to be funny.
=
= Apologies.

Apologies accepted.

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Betty Clark:
= At 10:08 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote:
= >=
= >= bet this anal retentive bozo has long since unsubbed.....    right?
= >=
= >
= >In all of Google Groups, the search for "anal retentive bozo"
= >comes up with 11 hits.
=
= All words-l?

no, only Dan

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = >
= > = > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
= > = >
= > = > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
= > =
= > = OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...
= >
= > LOL!
=
= I am sorry that you laughed at my Outbreak joke.

What Outbreak joke?

I'm sorry I got into this kind of thread with you.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > Tushar Samant:
= > = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = > Tushar Samant:
= > = > = 02003-06-11 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = > = > =
= > = > = > = Oh ... I get it! Haaaahahahahahaha!
= > = > = >
= > = > = > Thank you for laughing.
= > = > =
= > = > = I apologize.
= > = >
= > = > What for?  Were you laughing insincerely because you really
= > = > didn't get my Outbreak joke?
= > =
= > = Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!
= >
= > Haaaaaaaahahahahaha!
=
= Hey no tag backs!

I'm sorry.

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02003-06-13 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > Tushar Samant:
> = > = 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > = > It's working for me too.
> = > = >
> = > = > It is very cool!
> = > =
> = > = Good one! LOL
> = >
> = > That wasn't supposed to be funny.
> =
> = Apologies.
>
> Apologies accepted.

YaY!

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02003-06-12 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > When we were taught about this phrase, it was somehow implied that the
> > "esprit" suddenly struck as he/she were ascending an indoor staircase.
> > How we arrived at this conclusion, I will probably never know, but I
> > love its nuance, and it sounds good, too.
>
> Have we had a vote?  I meant to keep track.  Esprit d'escalier, is that
> when you're going up or down?
>
> I want it to be up.  But I'm afraid it's down.
>
> I just can't figure out how to figure this out, without joining a French
> words-l.  I am really bummed to realize I have no more French friends,
> none anymore.
>
> Oh forget it, forget voting, you wouldn't count anyway!  I'm going to look
> for a French person.  I can wait a long time.

I am intensely remorseful for my participation in proving you wrong.
Wrong, wrong, WRONG! I mean according to Dr Bertrand Meyer, who may
well be French:

  Picture a pleasant dinner in an apartment on the second or fourth
  floor (the fashionable ones) of a Parisian building. Sharp comments
  fly back and forth over the veal Marengo, and you feel dumb. The
  soirée finishes and you take leave of your hosts, start walking
  down the stairs, when ... there it is: the smashing repartee that
  would have made you the hero of the evening! But too late.

  Are bouts of esprit de l'escalier too late in software also? They
  have existed ever since software projects have been told to freeze
  the specification before they start on a solution. [...]

A funny but unrelated sidebar:

  The bad managers may be unconsciously applying another escalier
  aphorism, Clemenceau's "in love, the best moment is in the stairs"--
  beforehand, that is.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm torn between saying "I'm very glad you've resubbed, Natalie" and
> giving you the normal newbie hazing.
>
> What the hell! I'm glad you're back, Natalie. How many eggslots does
> your refrigerator have?
>

Oh, yes - and, *ahem* Lynne????
clo

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
>
> Apologies accepted.
>

<GASP!>

clo

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Hi Natalie,

You should have a look at http://www.tracfone.com.

And yes, at first glance this is exactly what you're after.  For
some reviews, see:

http://www.energenix.com/tracfone-prepaid-reviews.html

Prepaid service in Europe is a little different, but very very
popular.  I have prepaid service on my mobile phone, and except
for adding calling minutes, it's just the same as having a normal
mobile phone.

steph

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 :-)

-----Opprinnelig melding-----
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Emne: Re: Off to Bergen

Espen S. Ore:
= where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks
time)

Wow.  Espen, I don't think we knew this!

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steph wrote:

> You should have a look at http://www.tracfone.com.
>
> And yes, at first glance this is exactly what you're after.  For
> some reviews, see:
>
> http://www.energenix.com/tracfone-prepaid-reviews.html

THANKS!!  And thanks to Betty and Dan for their replies also.  I haven't
gone to the url for the reviews yet, but I've been looking at that first
url and keep thinking that this looks too good to be true.  But it
appears to be true indeed.  And when I put in my zip code for nearest
retailer, thinking that like most things I do that for it would come
back with something like "no retailers in your area" or would name some
place 200 miles away, it quickly spewed out Walmart, Hwy 12,
Starkville.  (That site I was looking at last night was the national
Wmart site, of course, but not all Wmarts have precisely the same
things.)

There seem to be zillions of advantages to this plan.  I haven't
explored all the options, but one seems to be to have $7.99 a month
billed automatically to my credit card and thus not even have to bother
to buy new cards every two months.  But since I can buy the cards at
Wmart, I might as well just do that.  I'm in Wmart almost every day when
at home and see Wmarts along roads when traveling -- and if I couldn't
find one, my road atlas would lead me to one since it's a Wmart atlas.

And the minutes roll over, meaning that if I do keep the phone
activated, after a while I will have tons of minutes and can call Brad
just for the heck of it.

The phone info on that site makes me think that I might not even have to
buy a new phone since I'm almost sure my old one is one of the ones
pictured.  But I don't know what's involved in the rewiring or whatever
it is that I think they'd have to do to change it from Cellular South
guts to TracFone guts.  Iow, probably I'll end up buying another phone.
That's a minor expense compared to the big savings of paying around $8 a
month instead of $30 a month for the service.

Anyway, THANKS AGAIN!  I plan to go to Wmart within the next few hours
and see whether this is all for real.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

PS:  Something funny -- when I put in my zip code to look at what it
considered my "local coverage area," I found the strangest thing:  my
local area is several counties in this part of the state, iow nothing
unusual there, but then also a small area on the coast, including *Bay
St. Louis*.  Way weird.  This seems to be telling me that I should do
further exploration of the BSL idea.

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>I often thought of this term when I was at Yale, for much the same
reasons.


>Karen

Naturally!

AS

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> How very, very weird -- to read something I wrote eons ago:

Hey, Natalie! Great to see you again.

Kristin

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Espen Ore wrote:

> >> :-)
>
> = where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks
> time)
>
> Wow.  Espen, I don't think we knew this!

Was the sleeping wagon as luxurious as you expected?

Kristin

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Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:35:06 PM, Doris Smith wrote:
> You must have a humongous house...............

He's not a fulltime housemate.

>> I think of you and Nancy every time my housemate tells me how much
>> better the weather is in Austin.:) (He lives in Houston.)
>>
>> Karen
>>



Karen

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I hate it when an acronym is used and one of the words is repeated
 - like ATM machine.

BrP




> I apologize for any misunderstandings in advance. I'd like to hear
> some words which you REALLY HATE. Stick to ones which are non-obvious.
> Don't freakin offer "f*gg**", I know you hate it. Give me one which
> you hate for no apparent reason. Like today I realized I hate the
> word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
> phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
> am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!

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>I hate it when an acronym is used and one of the words is repeated
>- like ATM machine.

Pleonasm. I hate the word. Happens a lot to acronyms with protocol.

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Espen S. Ore:

>  where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks
time)

Ohmigawd! Congratulations. I miss the Marianne stories.

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/12/2003, 6:38 PM, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> DM> I would not be surprised if a paper must be
> DM> signed before a bedpan is removed.
>
> I'd hope they let the patient use the paper before removing the
> bedpan.

lol. I like when I can spare myself browsing a dictionary for a search
of a word. I thought a moment ago before reading this message that I
must look up "bedpan".

Kristin

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Betty wrote:

> > > I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.
> >
> >I know THAT. Sheesh
>
> In Berkeley it's ombudsPERSON.

"Ombudsman" must be a direct loan, and probably quite recent, from
Swedish. -- Yes: 1950s, "legal representative" (< Oxford Concise D.).
That it has been borrowed from Swedish at all was perhaps because of an
implication of  some mentality/ ideological background it has got,
wasn't it? For were it simply for the *notion* of "legal representative"
you'd have found a word from English words already there.

Espen can certainly explain the morphology of it -- prefix om-, etc. --
and the meanings of all the morphemes. I bet you pronounce it
differently from Swedish which is perhaps why you dislike it.

Kristin

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While a cleaver campaign, one which I'm sure is going to be popular, the
gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.

lisa
who just deleted a long rant about why she doesn't like Pride.

At 03:41 PM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> From advocate.com:
>Absolut announces gay marketing
>campaign
>Vodka maker Absolut has introduced an elaborate advertising and
>promotional campaign aimed at gay and lesbian consumers. Labeled
>"Absolut Out," the release of the ads coincides with the many June pride
>events in major cities with large gay populations. The yearlong campaign will
>feature local and national elements that include an oversize three-dimensional
>billboard traveling around the country; magazine, postcard, and Internet
>advertising; and sponsorship of fund-raisers for the Human Rights Campaign,
>a gay rights group.
>
>Gay and lesbian consumers are "fiercely brand-loyal and go out a lot," said
>James T. Goodwin, vice president for marketing at the Absolut Spirits Co. in
>New York, a division of V&S Vin & Sprit A.B., the Swedish distiller of the
>Absolut line of vodkas, which has been advertising to gays and lesbians since
>1981. "But they're not only important for what they consume. They're also
>important as influencers." According to Goodwin, Absolut's following among
>gay and lesbian consumers helped it catch on among mainstream vodka
>drinkers, and the brand grew to become the top-selling import.
>
>The "Absolut Out" campaign plays on closeted sexuality with images of nine
>closets, each shaped like the Absolut bottle, on the mobile "Absolut Out"
>billboard. When the billboard arrives in a given city, the closet doors are
>closed. About 10 days later, the doors are simultaneously flung open to reveal
>the clothing, shoes, accessories, and tchotchkes emblematic of nine
>archetypes of gay men and lesbians, including the punk rocker, the activist,
>the preppie, the athlete, the dog-show aficionado, the bodybuilder, and, with
>a double-wide closet, the drag queen. Absolut "wanted to have some fun"
>with the types of people shown on the billboard "and not make it PC but
>broad and a little cheeky," said Patrick O'Neill, group creative director at
>TBWA\Chiat\Day, the ad agency that came up with the campaign.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: Words you hate

> > 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > >
> > > I have the same problem with 'frig'. I prefer 'mike' and 'fridge'.
>
> Well that's pretty funny because "fridge" is a word I hate but I was
> loath to mention it, wimp that I am.

You prefer 'frig' ?

Marie

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At 09:57 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= the clothing, shoes, accessories, and tchotchkes emblematic of nine
>= archetypes of gay men and lesbians, including the punk rocker, the activist,
>= the preppie, the athlete, the dog-show aficionado, the bodybuilder, and,
>with
>= a double-wide closet, the drag queen. Absolut "wanted to have some fun"
>
>the dog-show aficiaonado?

Apparently the marketing department at Absolut saw, "Best in Show".

lisa

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At 02:51 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-06-12 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > At 12:45 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Joining Words-L changed your life?!
> > >
> > >It was more interesting overall to me before so many people left during
> > >the past couple of years. Diversity was decreased.
> >
> > I agree, it's lost it's freshness.
>
>That's not what "diversity" means. Diversity is the opposite
>of ... "liberal bias" I think.

Apparently I haven't learned anything during my time here.

lisa

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > 02003-06-12 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > > word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she
> hates the
> > > > > phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see
> what I
> > > > > am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
> > > >
> > > > I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
> > >
> > > Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
> >
> > You ARE hitting on me!
>
> I apologize that that's the way you conceptualize our dynamic.

So that's your plan -- find out the words we hate and then use them against us. You FLIRT!

Marie

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Espen S. Ore:
>
> >  where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks
> time)
>
> Ohmigawd! Congratulations. I miss the Marianne stories.

Yes. I think of some of them sometimes when I have some troubles with my
own young people, and try to think it is all normal. However, I guess Espen
may be glad that there are not new stories to tell -- I mean the kind that
made him worry. I hasten to add: I never doubted Marianne's great.

Kristin

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>      To me fridge is the think in the kitchen.  Frig is a
> euphemistic verb.
>
> dan

Verb or noun. Like I don't give a flying frig.

Marie

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> "Ombudsman" must be a direct loan, and probably quite recent, from
> Swedish. -- Yes: 1950s, "legal representative" (< Oxford Concise D.).

That sounds right.

Okay, it looks like they mean "Ombuds" literally--"The Office of the
Ombuds is staffed by fellow employees who, by virtue of their training,
experience and a direct reporting relationship to the Office of the CEO,
can serve as a neutral resource to hear and act on your concerns."

Ick.

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

>  the
> gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.

?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other attribute
you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.

Kristin

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> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>  the
>> gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.
>
> ?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other
> attribute you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.

I was going to say the same thing.

Karen

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Terry Wild wrote:

>> We have a family of woodpeckers again this year.  Three
>> jueveniles were chasing each other around on the oak tree
>> off the back deck last night.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
>
> Watch out for those juveniles, last fall we had one who was intent on
> pecking the trim board off the house.  Did a fair amount of damage, and we
> have acres of woods filled with dead trees to choose from!  The bird gurus
> indicate they do this either looking for food, I had plenty available or
> looking for a nesting place.


        I'm not worried about that.  The outside of my house is
entirely composed of plastic and brick.

        I saw lots of interesting birds on my walk yesterday.  I
think I'm going to get a field guide from the library today
and see if I can ID some.  I didn't see the wild turkeys
this time, but I heard them.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> > lisa alfieri wrote:
> >
> >>  the
> >> gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.
> >
> > ?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other
> > attribute you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.
>
> I was going to say the same thing.
>
> Karen

I don't have data to back this up, but my gut feeling is that much more of gay social life
revolves around alcohol because there are fewer alcohol-free venues for meeting each
other than in the so-called straight world.  That is changing some I think, but
traditionally, the bar scene has been the major - or at least most accessible - way to get
together.

BrP

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At 07:00 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 5:27:04 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Ana and I did a 7-mile hike along the Missouri River today
> > (to kick off summer break).  I saw a berries that looked a
> > lot like blackberries growing on trees along the trail.
> > I've never seen a blackberry *tree*.  Does anybody know what
> > they are?  If they're edible, I'll go back and pick some.
>
> > I did see some elderberry that aren't ripe yet.
>
>Mulberries grow on trees and look like blackberries. And they grow in
>the midwest.
>
>Karen

There was a mulberry tree outside my bedroom window when I was a kid. It
made a miserable mess of the yard but I loved leaning out the window and
picking myself some berries. That is until my mother caught me doing it and
freaked out worrying that I'd fall out the window. When a neighbor asked if
she would be interested in getting rid of it, she was more than happy to
let  him cut it down.

lisa

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At 07:57 PM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Oh, I hate it when men and women under 70 call me "honey";  I don't
>mind so much when elderly people do it, but younger people sound
>so patronizing, especially men.

I love it when this happens. Especially when they do it while buying me a
beer.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
>had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
>Newport

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> PS:  Something funny -- when I put in my zip code to look at what it
> considered my "local coverage area," I found the strangest thing:  my
> local area is several counties in this part of the state, iow nothing
> unusual there, but then also a small area on the coast, including *Bay
> St. Louis*.  Way weird.  This seems to be telling me that I should do
> further exploration of the BSL idea.

Ooh, Natalie,
while you were gone I visited a friend of mine who works for -
maybe Alcan Wire Rope?  in PA; they were very busy there
because their plant in Bay St. Louis was closing - all 120 people
laid off. How will that affect the economy there, do you think?

clo

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>> > lisa alfieri wrote:
>> >
>> >>  the
>> >> gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.
>> >
>> > ?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other
>> attribute you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.
>>
>> I was going to say the same thing.
>>
>> Karen
>
> I don't have data to back this up, but my gut feeling is that much more
> of gay social life revolves around alcohol because there are fewer
> alcohol-free venues for meeting each other than in the so-called
> straight world.  That is changing some I think, but traditionally, the
> bar scene has been the major - or at least most accessible - way to get
> together.

Where do you think straight people meet?

Karen

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> >
> > I don't have data to back this up, but my gut feeling is that much more
> > of gay social life revolves around alcohol because there are fewer
> > alcohol-free venues for meeting each other than in the so-called
> > straight world.  That is changing some I think, but traditionally, the
> > bar scene has been the major - or at least most accessible - way to get
> > together.
>
> Where do you think straight people meet?
>
> Karen


There are a lot more social opportunities where it is safe to be out as straight than out
as gay  - and random low-level flirting between a man and woman in a public situation
risks a glare or a slap perhaps while the same kind of flirting man to man or woman to
woman is a much more dangerous enterprise.


BrP

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>
>That is possible.  How's retirement going? Are you busier now?

Busy enough, with many projects not yet begun. I sure don't miss
work, and being retired makes it easier to be copacetic about
the shitty weather. We are coming up on the 5th strait rainy
weekend here.

/Jim

>
>Terry

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At 08:15 PM 6/12/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:10:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
>Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
><<
>But his room and board cost someone money.
>
> >>
>
>Not much; about as much as military room and board would have
>been at that time.
>
>And the government was trying just about everything at that time
>to get the economy going again.  They didn't know it would take
>a war.

What do you mean, "not much"? It cost someone plenty in tax dollars.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
>had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
>Newport

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Karen, on Galena:
> Oh, if it's become like that, forget it. I went there
> before it was trendy. No touristy storefronts.

Whoa, that must have been a *long* time ago.

--
Richard     oh, that fly-over-land thing, yeah

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:36 PM
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>
>I'm torn between saying "I'm very glad you've resubbed, Natalie" and
>giving you the normal newbie hazing.
>
>What the hell! I'm glad you're back, Natalie. How many eggslots does
>your refrigerator have?
>
>Karen
>

Welcome back.


peace,


alec

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> > >>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
> >
> > > Evil twins, no doubt.
> >
> > How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?
>
> "Scaphoides"

Shaped like a boat?

Or are you thinking of the fungus Arthrobotrys scaphoides?

Or perhaps an insect from the scaphoideus family?http://www.cedarcreek.umn.edu/insects/album/021014099ap.html

Marie

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> >What the hell! I'm glad you're back, Natalie. How many eggslots does
> >your refrigerator have?
> >
> Welcome back.
>
>
> peace,
>
>
> alec


YAY!

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

>While a cleaver campaign, one which I'm sure is going to be popular, the

Oh, no! A cleaver campaign. Ahhhhhhh!

Bethany

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>
> There was a mulberry tree outside my bedroom window when I was a kid. It
> made a miserable mess of the yard but I loved leaning out the window and
> picking myself some berries. That is until my mother caught me doing it and
> freaked out worrying that I'd fall out the window. When a neighbor asked if
> she would be interested in getting rid of it, she was more than happy to
> let  him cut it down.
>
> lisa

We had a mulberry tree when I was a kid.  I remember that the birds would eat the
berries and drop them all over the laundry that was hanging out in the back yard.

BrP

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> Karen, on Galena:
>> Oh, if it's become like that, forget it. I went there
>> before it was trendy. No touristy storefronts.
>
> Whoa, that must have been a *long* time ago.

I went there twice, with a few years in between, and the second time was
trendier than the first.

Wtf are Mormon crickets? Are they causing problems by proselytizing?
(Dang, I can't spell that word.)

Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:13 PM
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>
>
>At 09:52 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> > He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I
>haven't talked to
>> > him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email.
>(or is that
>> > private information??)
>>
>>Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.
>
>We'll wait for Alex's pronouncement.
>

boo

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:57 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>
>> = the clothing, shoes, accessories, and tchotchkes emblematic of nine
>> = archetypes of gay men and lesbians, including the punk rocker, the
>> activist,
>> = the preppie, the athlete, the dog-show aficionado, the bodybuilder,
>> and,
>> with
>> = a double-wide closet, the drag queen. Absolut "wanted to have some fun"
>>
>> the dog-show aficiaonado?
>
>
> Apparently the marketing department at Absolut saw, "Best in Show".


        The movie was pretty accurate in that regard.

        Now you know the alternative to the bar scene.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 5:27:04 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Ana and I did a 7-mile hike along the Missouri River today
>>(to kick off summer break).  I saw a berries that looked a
>>lot like blackberries growing on trees along the trail.
>>I've never seen a blackberry *tree*.  Does anybody know what
>>they are?  If they're edible, I'll go back and pick some.
>>
>
>>I did see some elderberry that aren't ripe yet.
>>
>
> Mulberries grow on trees and look like blackberries. And they grow in
> the midwest.

\

        Ah-ha!  That's what they are.  A web page says they ripen in
late summer -- maybe that's in northern zones.  I could pick
as many as I wanted, but I've never eaten mulberries to know
if they taste good.  Growing in the river bluffs/bottoms,
these would have to be pretty juicy.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>         Ah-ha!  That's what they are.  A web page says they ripen in
> late summer -- maybe that's in northern zones.  I could pick
> as many as I wanted, but I've never eaten mulberries to know
> if they taste good.  Growing in the river bluffs/bottoms,
> these would have to be pretty juicy.

They are milder than blackberries, but they do make good pies and jam.

I think they are ALL juicy. Way too juicy. Invest in stain remover.

Karen

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Karen:
> Wtf are Mormon crickets?

Wasn't there some incident during
the Great Trek that involved some
miraculous relief from a plague of
crickets?

Presumably locust-like things, eh?

>Are they causing problems by proselytizing?

Those are the JW crickets.

--
Richard     oh, that fly-over-land thing, yeah

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6/13/2003, 8:06 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Wtf are Mormon crickets? Are they causing problems by proselytizing?
KK> (Dang, I can't spell that word.)

Very nasty and voracious crickets.  So named because they're the ones
that were laying waste to Utah over a century ago, until the seagulls
came and devoured them all.  Thus the seagull statue in downtown SLC.

The feds are putting out bait for them in several counties north of
Boise, since they've decided spraying them is a bad thing.  On Hwy 55
north of Boise they are so bad that they put up warning signs saying
"crickets on road" which sounds really stupid until you realize (too
late for some tourists) that there are so many on the road, and so
many have squished them, that it is just like hitting a patch of black
ice, and people go off the road, crash, etc.  A couple have died in
the last few years from hitting a cricket area in while going 65 on
Horseshoe Bend Hill.

dan

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6/13/2003, 8:20 AM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> Wasn't there some incident during
hpv> the Great Trek that involved some
hpv> miraculous relief from a plague of
hpv> crickets?

   Was in the Salt Lake Valley, their first year (ca.1848, I believe).
   Was interpreted as miraculous, but the seagulls regularly come to
   the valley, but in the first year or so they didn't know that.

   SLC baseball team (minor league of some level) used to be the
   Gulls.

hpv> Presumably locust-like things, eh?

   Yes.


dan

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> A couple have died in the last
> few years from hitting a cricket area in while going 65 on Horseshoe
> Bend Hill.

My goal the last few years has become not to die in a stupid way. Thanks
for adding another way!

Karen

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At 07:46 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-06-12 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> > In a message dated 6/12/2003 7:27:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
> >
> > <<
> > Young men call you honey, Evelyn?
> > Hey, that's not all bad.
> > >>
> >
> > I still don't like it.
>
>There was this woman who worked at the coffee shop three years
>ago, and many young men called her honey, or similar. I didn't
>like it at all. Then one day I heard some nasty guy asking her,
>"how's it going, red?" Hearing that "red" made me understand
>what I hated about "honey". BTW she wore bangles which reminded
>me of my mother, but that's neither here nor there ...

I call my hairdresser Honey. It's OK though 'cause that's the name her
mother gave her, Honey Jo Sanford. She also has a sister, Ginger.

lisa

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At 10:07 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
> >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:13 PM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Neal
> >
> >
> >At 09:52 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >> > He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I
> >haven't talked to
> >> > him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email.
> >(or is that
> >> > private information??)
> >>
> >>Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.
> >
> >We'll wait for Alex's pronouncement.
> >
>
>boo

Nice save, Alec!  When are you moving btw?

Betty

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At 08:36 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        I saw lots of interesting birds on my walk yesterday.  I
>think I'm going to get a field guide from the library today
>and see if I can ID some.  I didn't see the wild turkeys
>this time, but I heard them.

Isn't this the first sign of fartdom?  Birding?

Betty

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At 07:35 AM 6/13/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Tushar Samant:
>= 02003-06-12 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
>= > = >
>= > = > TS> Shut the hell up with these stupid defaming statements already.
>= > = >
>= > = > Seems to me that a number of apologies are in order.
>= > =
>= > = OK... "I am sorry you are an anal retentive bozo" ...
>= >
>= > LOL!
>=
>= I am sorry that you laughed at my Outbreak joke.
>
>What Outbreak joke?
>
>I'm sorry I got into this kind of thread with you.

Worse than Maynor Hell!

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 08:36 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        I saw lots of interesting birds on my walk yesterday.  I
>
>> think I'm going to get a field guide from the library today
>> and see if I can ID some.  I didn't see the wild turkeys
>> this time, but I heard them.
>
>
> Isn't this the first sign of fartdom?  Birding?


        Probably.  The only other person I know who regularly does
this 7+ mile hike is Fr. Rich, who is definitely an old fart.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty Clark" <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Neal


> At 10:07 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: English Language Discussion Group
> > >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:13 PM
> > >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: Neal
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:52 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >>Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:08:39 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > >> > He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I
> > >haven't talked to
> > >> > him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email.
> > >(or is that
> > >> > private information??)
> > >>
> > >>Me, too. Glad. Not private. Thanks.
> > >
> > >We'll wait for Alex's pronouncement.
> > >
> >
> >boo
>
> Nice save, Alec!  When are you moving btw?
>
> Betty
>

18th of June is the plan.


alec

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At 11:31 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        Probably.  The only other person I know who regularly does
>this 7+ mile hike is Fr. Rich, who is definitely an old fart.

The walk is a good thing.  Having to identify birds is usually associated
with older folks. Bless our hearts.

Betty

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At 09:44 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > lisa alfieri wrote:
> > >
> > >>  the
> > >> gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.
> > >
> > > ?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other
> > > attribute you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.
> >
> > I was going to say the same thing.
> >
> > Karen
>
>I don't have data to back this up, but my gut feeling is that much more of
>gay social life
>revolves around alcohol because there are fewer alcohol-free venues for
>meeting each
>other than in the so-called straight world.  That is changing some I
>think, but
>traditionally, the bar scene has been the major - or at least most
>accessible - way to get
>together.
>
>BrP

Yes, I agree with this. Even during Pride Week, it's all about which block
parties you're going to and which bars you're going to be at after the
block parties. It's not at all about being proud, reflective, active,
thankful for the advances and hopeful for the future, it's about getting
drunk and stoned with your friends.

lisa

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>
> Yes, I agree with this. Even during Pride Week, it's all about which block
> parties you're going to and which bars you're going to be at after the
> block parties. It's not at all about being proud, reflective, active,
> thankful for the advances and hopeful for the future, it's about getting
> drunk and stoned with your friends.
>
> lisa

  Syracuse Pride has traditionally been Father's Day weekend (this year they have
changed it back to match the anniversary of Stonewall).  When my kids were teens
we always celebrated Father's Day by attending Pride events.  One year (I think it
was 92) I had 52 of my kids' closest friends staying at the house for the weekend.


BrP

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At 09:11 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>>>the dog-show aficiaonado?
>>
>>
>>Apparently the marketing department at Absolut saw, "Best in Show".
>
>
>        The movie was pretty accurate in that regard.
>
>        Now you know the alternative to the bar scene.

I have the alternative to the bar scene, it's called a relationship! :-)

lisa
happy and proud of that at least

>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
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At 04:23 PM 6/13/2003 +0300, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >  the
> > gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.
>
>?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other attribute
>you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.
>
>Kristin

According to studies gay men and women are at a greater risk for drug and
alcohol addiction.

Recent studies have shown that as gay men and woman have gained greater
acceptance, the rates of alcoholism are more in line with that of the rest
of the population.

lisa

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For me that has become the border scene.

:-(

BrP



>
> I have the alternative to the bar scene, it's called a relationship! :-)
>
> lisa
> happy and proud of that at least
>
> >--
> >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> >http://www.etext.org/~rita
> >

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>   Syracuse Pride has traditionally been Father's Day weekend (this year
> they have
> changed it back to match the anniversary of Stonewall).  When my kids
> were teens we always celebrated Father's Day by attending Pride events.
> One year (I think it was 92) I had 52 of my kids' closest friends
> staying at the house for the weekend.

You could have had a living poker game!

Karen

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>
> You could have had a living poker game!
>
> Karen

What makes you think we didn't


BrP

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=
= And the minutes roll over, meaning that if I do keep the phone
= activated, after a while I will have tons of minutes and can call Brad
= just for the heck of it.
=
= The phone info on that site makes me think that I might not even have to
= buy a new phone since I'm almost sure my old one is one of the ones
= pictured.  But I don't know what's involved in the rewiring or whatever
= it is that I think they'd have to do to change it from Cellular South
= guts to TracFone guts.  Iow, probably I'll end up buying another phone.
= That's a minor expense compared to the big savings of paying around $8 a
= month instead of $30 a month for the service.
=

Hmm.  You have to keep your service  active by purchasing and
redeeming an airtime card every 60 days, and the cheapest one is
$17.99, which is $9/month. And I don't see what it costs to
reactivate anywhere.

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>>
>> You could have had a living poker game!
>>
>> Karen
>
> What makes you think we didn't

Okay....

How did you decide what the suits were?!

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >   Syracuse Pride has traditionally been Father's Day weekend (this year
> > they have
> > changed it back to match the anniversary of Stonewall).  When my kids
> > were teens we always celebrated Father's Day by attending Pride events.
> > One year (I think it was 92) I had 52 of my kids' closest friends
> > staying at the house for the weekend.
>
> You could have had a living poker game!
>
> Karen

Ooh, I like the way you think.
Would people pick the card they wanted to be, or draw it?
It has value either way.

When my kids were in CTY (summer program), the
overwhelming tendency of all geeks (all these kids were
geeks) to shun all organized activities in favor of Magic:
The Gathering in corridors, led bright fearless leaders
to ban all forms of cards. Not to worry; our heroes
merely made mental decks and played with them, sitting
around in halls holding conversations like: "I turn seven
green lands and summon Green Giant."
"You don't have green lands; you're playing a red deck"
"Yes but I have a card that turns all lands green".

(These are also the guys who glued a cafeteria table
to a plate glass window with chocolate pudding at
Harvey Mudd a few years later. Isn't it lucky they were
never left in a room alone with our BrP?)

clo

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> >>
> >> You could have had a living poker game!
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> > What makes you think we didn't
>
> Okay....
>
> How did you decide what the suits were?!
>
> Karen

Suits?  Oh, you meant the card game...

BrP

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> >   Syracuse Pride has traditionally been Father's Day weekend (this
>> year
>> > they have
>> > changed it back to match the anniversary of Stonewall).  When my
>> kids were teens we always celebrated Father's Day by attending Pride
>> events. One year (I think it was 92) I had 52 of my kids' closest
>> friends staying at the house for the weekend.
>>
>> You could have had a living poker game!
>>
>> Karen
>
> Ooh, I like the way you think.
> Would people pick the card they wanted to be, or draw it?
> It has value either way.

It'd be genetic.

> (These are also the guys who glued a cafeteria table
> to a plate glass window with chocolate pudding at
> Harvey Mudd a few years later. Isn't it lucky they were
> never left in a room alone with our BrP?)

LOL. Paul and chocolate pudding: two yummy things!

Karen

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> (These are also the guys who glued a cafeteria table
> to a plate glass window with chocolate pudding at
> Harvey Mudd a few years later. Isn't it lucky they were
> never left in a room alone with our BrP?)
>
> clo

and why exactly is that lucky?

  Do you think I would have:

a) been glued to a window with chocolate pudding
b) had a table glued to me
c) thought of and suggested something even more fun
d) had to clean it up


BrP

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> LOL. Paul and chocolate pudding: two yummy things!
>
> Karen

shhhh you're giving away secrets again

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On Thursday, Jun 12, 2003, at 23:21 Europe/London, Amy Burns Short
wrote:

> Roy -- I just learned this term today (via a daily e-mail vocabulary
> builder) in the context of denoting newer universities in the UK. Most
> interesting.
>
> AS
>
Redbrick is the term for the universities created in the early 20th
or late 19th century. It usually means those in the major cities such
as Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle or Nottingham when public buildings
were often constructed of redbrick.

The "New" universities all came into being in the sixties such as
Brunel,
York, Sussex, Lancaster.

The latest bunch are mostly renamed Polytechnics. The Conservative
government of the time wanted to increase the number of people going to
university so they allowed the Polys to call themselves Universities.
Cynical but true.

Roy

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At 01:50 PM 6/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I agree with this. Even during Pride Week, it's all about which block
> > parties you're going to and which bars you're going to be at after the
> > block parties. It's not at all about being proud, reflective, active,
> > thankful for the advances and hopeful for the future, it's about getting
> > drunk and stoned with your friends.
> >
> > lisa
>
>   Syracuse Pride has traditionally been Father's Day weekend (this year
> they have
>changed it back to match the anniversary of Stonewall).  When my kids were
>teens
>we always celebrated Father's Day by attending Pride events.  One year (I
>think it
>was 92) I had 52 of my kids' closest friends staying at the house for the
>weekend.

I've never had 52 close friends!

B

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> government of the time wanted to increase the number of people going to
> university so they allowed the Polys to call themselves Universities.
> Cynical but true.
>
> Roy

a little like Exxon redefining the word "clean" in order to declare that they were done
with Alaska's shoreline after the Valdez.


BrP

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>
> I've never had 52 close friends!
>
> B

that's because you're so <bad>

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Subject: Re:      Re: Berries on trees?
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> > There was a mulberry tree outside my bedroom window when I was a
kid. It
> > made a miserable mess of the yard but I loved leaning out the window
and
> > picking myself some berries. That is until my mother caught me doing
it and
> > freaked out worrying that I'd fall out the window. When a neighbor
asked if
> > she would be interested in getting rid of it, she was more than
happy to
> > let  him cut it down.
> >
> > lisa
>
> We had a mulberry tree when I was a kid.  I remember that the birds
would eat the
> berries and drop them all over the laundry that was hanging out in the
back yard.
>
> BrP

And on the car!

     - D. M.

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At 01:43 PM 6/13/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 09:44 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>> > > lisa alfieri wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>  the
>> > >> gay community has enough problems with drugs and alcohol.
>> > >
>> > > ?Do you think, more than the straight community? (Or whichever other
>> > > attribute you'd prefer.) If so, it is news to me.
>> >
>> > I was going to say the same thing.
>> >
>> > Karen
>>
>>I don't have data to back this up, but my gut feeling is that much more of
>>gay social life
>>revolves around alcohol because there are fewer alcohol-free venues for
>>meeting each
>>other than in the so-called straight world.  That is changing some I
>>think, but
>>traditionally, the bar scene has been the major - or at least most
>>accessible - way to get
>>together.
>>
>>BrP
>
>Yes, I agree with this. Even during Pride Week, it's all about which block
>parties you're going to and which bars you're going to be at after the
>block parties. It's not at all about being proud, reflective, active,
>thankful for the advances and hopeful for the future, it's about getting
>drunk and stoned with your friends.

And what's wrong with that?  :-)

I know what you are saying though, lisa.  I've heard similar discussions
around the  Cinco de Mayo celebration.  It's not just a reason sell beer
and party.

Betty

Betty

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> >         Ah-ha!  That's what they are.  A web page says they ripen in
> > late summer -- maybe that's in northern zones.  I could pick
> > as many as I wanted, but I've never eaten mulberries to know
> > if they taste good.  Growing in the river bluffs/bottoms,
> > these would have to be pretty juicy.
>
> They are milder than blackberries, but they do make good pies and jam.
>
> I think they are ALL juicy. Way too juicy. Invest in stain remover.
>
> Karen

We had at least two mulberry trees, one with blue-ish red berries
and one with white berries.  We never considered either suitable
for pies or jam.  What they were best for was for kids . . to sit
up in the branches and eat them one after the other, inspecting
each briefly first to make sure a bird had not visited.

               - D. M.

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> We had at least two mulberry trees, one with blue-ish red berries
> and one with white berries.  We never considered either suitable
> for pies or jam.

Why not?

Karen

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > (These are also the guys who glued a cafeteria table
> > to a plate glass window with chocolate pudding at
> > Harvey Mudd a few years later. Isn't it lucky they were
> > never left in a room alone with our BrP?)
> >
> > clo
>
> and why exactly is that lucky?
>
>   Do you think I would have:
>
> a) been glued to a window with chocolate pudding
> b) had a table glued to me
> c) thought of and suggested something even more fun
> d) had to clean it up
>
> BrP

e) Helped them design masks which they would have glued
to their faces. Turned out the pudding was such an efficient
stickum (tm), the janitory had to remove the whole window
to get the dang thing down. Some of them might still be
wearing those masks today, had you been involved....

clo

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> > We had at least two mulberry trees, one with blue-ish red berries
> > and one with white berries.  We never considered either suitable
> > for pies or jam.
>
> Why not?
>
> Karen

We did not consider that they made a good pie or
good jam.  Other berries so much better for that.

                - D. M.

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>> LOL. Paul and chocolate pudding: two yummy things!
>>
>> Karen
>
> shhhh you're giving away secrets again

I hate to break it to you, but I don't think it's a secret that you're yummy.

Karen

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>> > We had at least two mulberry trees, one with blue-ish red berries
>> and one with white berries.  We never considered either suitable for
>> pies or jam.
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Karen
>
> We did not consider that they made a good pie or
> good jam.  Other berries so much better for that.

Well,  yes, but often mulberries are *there* and other berries aren't.

Karen

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On Thursday, Jun 12, 2003, at 13:07 Europe/London, Amy Burns Short
wrote:
>
>> This is an old term, though, isn't it? I mean, been around for a
> couple hundred years.

Err, No
>
>> Karen
>
> Although red brick is a perfectly innocent building material in
> America, the
> British usage of "redbrick" is often potentially uncomplimentary.
> "Redbrick"
> is a British coinage created to denote the universities which were
> newer and
> perhaps less prestigious than Oxford and Cambridge (and sometimes the
> ancient universities of Scotland). These newer universities tended to
> be
> constructed of red brick, rather than the stone used for Oxford and
> Cambridge, and were most often created in industrial cities such as
> Liverpool. Sometimes the term is also used to distinguish these
> universities
> from those built after World War II. Limited evidence suggests that
> "redbrick" may be developing an extended meaning of "lower-class" or
> "working class," but this is not established enough to merit dictionary
> entry.

It's just a perceived pecking order.

Oxbridge (Oxford + Cambridge)
Redbrick
New
Others (very new)

The reality is that the subject and place you studied together make more
of an impression. Some places are recognized for a particular type of
graduate such as Imperial College for science and engineering or Sussex
for Arts graduates. There is a published list of how each University is
rated if you want to really know.

I heard this today :

A scientist from Oxford could probably tell you the molecular
composition
of the contents in a jam jar but wouldn't know how to get the lid off.

Nuff said ?

Roy

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At 02:14 PM 6/13/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >
> > I've never had 52 close friends!
> >
> > B
>
>that's because you're so <bad>

I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.

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> >> > I've never had 52 close friends!
> >> >
> >> > B
> >>
> >>that's because you're so <bad>
> >
> > I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.
>
> Only if he decides to go...
>
> Karen

Oh I'm sure we'll meet some day


BrP

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6/13/2003, 12:25 PM, Roy Jaques wrote:

>>> This is an old term, though, isn't it? I mean, been around for a
>> couple hundred years.

RJ> Err, No

Agree.  Oldest usage in OED referring to a building (but a church) is
1835 (not quoted below, which is also from OED).

 2. (Also with capital initial.) Used attrib. or quasi-adj. to denote a
 British university founded in the late nineteenth or early twentieth
 century in a large industrial city, with buildings of red-brick, as
 distinct from the older universities (esp. Oxford, Cambridge, the ancient
 universities of Scotland, and some of the London colleges) built
 predominantly in stone, and also as distinct from the new universities
 founded after the 1939-45 war; of or pertaining to such a university;
 also ellipt., a red-brick university; collect., such universities in
 general. Also transf.

  1943 ‘B. TRUSCOT’ Redbrick University 18 The range of interests
  represented in a Redbrick staff common-room. Ibid. 19 It may be natural
  enough for him to go on to Red~brick, but to..enter Oxbridge is something
  infinitely more exciting. 1944 ‘H. ASHTON’ Yeoman's Hospital ix. 197
  Marriner took his professorship at that frightful red-brick university.
  1950 Times Educ. Suppl. 10 Mar. 183 (heading) Redbrick criticized. 1958
  Times Lit. Suppl. 17 Jan. 30/4 Talk of..‘the red-brick intellectuals’,
  though no Movement founder-member had done more than teach at one of the
  provincial universities. 1958 Observer 16 Feb. 12/3 One of the new
  ‘redbrick actors’, neither actorish in aspect nor conventionally po-voiced.
  1958 New Statesman 22 Feb. 233/1 Under education, the correct entry is:
  ‘Educated Thomas Cooks, American Express, Wayfarers, etc., etc.’ Europe
  has been my Redbrick. 1960, etc. [see OXBRIDGE]. 1966 G. SINSTADT Whisper
  in Lonely Place iii. 33 He's a research engineer, degree from one of the
  red-bricks, middle twenties. 1975 D. LODGE Changing Places i.
  9 Rummidge..had lately suffered the mortifying fate of most English
  universities of its type (civic redbrick). 1976 M. HINXMAN End of Good
  Woman i. 13 They kept introducing her to eligible mates. Revolutionaries
  at the London School of Economics, posh chums from Oxford..budding
  scientists and engineers at the ‘red-brick’ universities. 1977 Jrnl. R.
  Soc. Arts CXXV. 670/1 Some of the best safety managers I know left school
  at 14 or 15 years of age. Conversely, we have seen people who come from
  red bricks and grey stones but are quite unable to do the job at all.



dan

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>>> This is an old term, though, isn't it? I mean, been around for a
>> couple hundred years.
>
> Err, No

The 19thc started 200 years ago, didn't it?

Karen

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> At 02:14 PM 6/13/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> >
>> > I've never had 52 close friends!
>> >
>> > B
>>
>>that's because you're so <bad>
>
> I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.

Only if he decides to go...

Karen

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02003-06-13 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 02:51 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >02003-06-12 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >> At 12:45 PM 6/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>Joining Words-L changed your life?!
> >> >
> >> >It was more interesting overall to me before so many people left during
> >> >the past couple of years. Diversity was decreased.
> >>
> >> I agree, it's lost it's freshness.
> >
> >That's not what "diversity" means. Diversity is the opposite
> >of ... "liberal bias" I think.
>
> Apparently I haven't learned anything during my time here.

You still owe your student loan.

Nice try, though ...

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> > >
> > > I don't have data to back this up, but my gut feeling is that much more
> > > of gay social life revolves around alcohol because there are fewer
> > > alcohol-free venues for meeting each other than in the so-called
> > > straight world.  That is changing some I think, but traditionally, the
> > > bar scene has been the major - or at least most accessible - way to get
> > > together.
> >
> > Where do you think straight people meet?
> >
> > Karen
>
> There are a lot more social opportunities where it is safe to be out as straight than out
> as gay  - and random low-level flirting between a man and woman in a public situation
> risks a glare or a slap perhaps while the same kind of flirting man to man or woman to
> woman is a much more dangerous enterprise.

Yes, that all makes sense.

Kristin

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On Friday, Jun 13, 2003, at 03:44 Europe/London, Marie Ascher wrote:

>>> word "rugrat". Just HATE it. Then a co-worker says she hates the
>>> phrase "snail mail". And I can sort of see that. You see what I
>>> am talking about? Let's make a list ... thanks! And apologies!
>>
>> I HATE the word DYNAMIC !
>
> You know, maybe I have to take it back. I hate the way two people I
> have known have (over)used the word DYNAMIC. If it were left alone to
> occur naturally, it probably wouldn't be so bad. But three times in a
> frigging presentation, fer chrissakes!
>
Challenges.

Used by people who will not admit they have PROBLEMS and don't like
being
told that have PROBLEMS. These persons are usually managers and often
live in California.

> Marie
>
Roy

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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
= On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
= >
= > Apologies accepted.
= >
=
= <GASP!>
=
= clo

Don't choke when you breathe in like that!

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steph wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU:
> = On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
> = >
> = > Apologies accepted.
> = >
> =
> = <GASP!>
> =
> = clo
>
> Don't choke when you breathe in like that!

Thanks - you can stop hitting me on the back now-
I'm breathing again, I promise!

clo

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > risks a glare or a slap perhaps while the same kind of flirting man to man or woman to
> > woman is a much more dangerous enterprise.
>
> Yes, that all makes sense.

Too bad: I thought I was going to have plenty of time today for dealing with two 'r'-s among
messages today, yet the day is almost over and I'm still in a mess with proofreading. :( Many
messages unread an all...

Kr.

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There's just something <familiar> about this style of conversation:


Narrator: At this time, the Hatter had been looking at Alice with great
curiosity. At last he said:
Hatter: Your hair wants cutting.
Alice: You should learn not to make personal remarks, it's very rude.
Hatter: Why is a raven like a writing desk?
Alice: (We shall have some fun now. I'm glad he's begun asking riddles.) I
believe I can guess that.
March Hare: Do you mean you think you can find out the answer to it?
Alice: Yes.
March Hare: Oh. Then you should say what you mean.
Alice: I do, at least I mean what I say. That's the same thing, you know.
Hatter: Not the same thing a bit. Why you might just as well say that I see
what I eat is the same thing as I eat what I see.
March Hare: You might just as well say that I like what I get is the same
thing as I get what I like.
Narrator: Then the Dormouse said, just as if it were talking in its sleep:
Dormouse: You might just as well say that I breathe when I sleep is the same
thing as I sleep when I breathe.
Hatter: It is the same thing with you, Dormouse.
Narrator: And here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a
minute.

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:28:52 -0500
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>>it and I get spanked.
>>>
>>Braggart.
>>
>
> I guess I just look vulnerable.
>
>
>>>Is it because you're cute that you
>>>get away with everything?
>>>
>>Absolutely.
>>
>
> Dammit.  I have dimples on both
> cheeks AND my chin.  Could you
> recommend a course that would
> help me take advantage of these
> assets?


Come to the 'fest and I'll give you
private lessons, hon.


> Or is it something you're born
> with?



It's words-l thing.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Betty Clark:
= At 08:36 AM 6/13/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
=        I saw lots of interesting birds on my walk yesterday.  I
= >think I'm going to get a field guide from the library today
= >and see if I can ID some.  I didn't see the wild turkeys
= >this time, but I heard them.
=
= Isn't this the first sign of fartdom?  Birding?
=
= Betty

I was just out on my roof with binoculars checking out the birds.
Also, I couldn't resist spying on the neighbors too.

There is a very chirpy bird up on their tv antenna.

On the school behind us there is a bird with a nest at the top of
some tubular part of the mobile phone antenna.

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Here are a few brief facts from article in today's paper.  They're
supposed to peak here in about ten days, and the state and fed guys
have been putting out lots of bait, which apparently attracts no
critters except for the crickets.

This is worst outbreak in SW Idaho since WWII. Right now they're
grazing, but soon they'll go into gorging mode when they just move
like an army and leave nothing green in their path, and not much of
food that is brown, either.  They'll even eat green things like
fabric that happens to be green.

It was 1848 when they hit Utah for the first time after the new
settlers got there.  And the seagulls did come to eat them before the
damage was too severe, otherwise the settlers might not have made it
over the winter.

They're not really crickets, but a species of shield-backed katydid
that belongs to the grasshopper family.  At a density of one cricket
per square yard (and they're MUCH more dense than that when they're on
the move and gorging), they consume 38 pounds of forage per acre.
They also eat each other gladly if there isn't enough other green
stuff about.  They can travel a mile a day, and fifty miles a season.
After their 90 day life, they lay eggs that will hatch next year. We
had an exceptionally mild winter, and a bad cricket year last year,
thus the really bad year now.  They think there are other causes of
cyclical peaks, perhaps some disease or other condition that isn't
really known.  They're not "regular" like some other insects that have
7 or 13 or 17 or other cycles.

More than you ever wanted to know, perhaps, but hey...this is
wordslerville.

dan



dan

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6/13/2003, 1:25 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

PRB> Narrator: Then the Dormouse said, just as if it were talking in its sleep:
PRB> Dormouse: You might just as well say that I breathe when I sleep is the same
PRB> thing as I sleep when I breathe.
PRB> Hatter: It is the same thing with you, Dormouse.
PRB> Narrator: And here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a
PRB> minute.

Nope, not wordslers.  The theory is disproven by the last sentence
above.

dan

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6/13/2003, 1:32 PM, steph wrote:


s> I was just out on my roof with binoculars checking out the birds.
s> Also, I couldn't resist spying on the neighbors too.

   Hell with the birds, what are the neighbors doing?

dan

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= Challenges.
=
= Used by people who will not admit they have PROBLEMS and don't like
= being  told that have PROBLEMS. These persons are usually managers and often
= live in California.
=
= Roy

Scott will be here Monday.

The way it goes where I work is something like this:

"Hmmm, we seem to have a prob-um-challenge, yeah challenge"

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Dan Lester:
= 6/13/2003, 1:25 PM, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
=
= PRB> Narrator: Then the Dormouse said, just as if it were talking in its sleep:
= PRB> Dormouse: You might just as well say that I breathe when I sleep is the same
= PRB> thing as I sleep when I breathe.
= PRB> Hatter: It is the same thing with you, Dormouse.
= PRB> Narrator: And here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a
= PRB> minute.
=
= Nope, not wordslers.  The theory is disproven by the last sentence
= above.
=
= dan

but, we do that all the time.  Daily almost.

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Dan Lester:
= 6/13/2003, 1:32 PM, steph wrote:
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=
= s> I was just out on my roof with binoculars checking out the birds.
= s> Also, I couldn't resist spying on the neighbors too.
=
=    Hell with the birds, what are the neighbors doing?
=
= dan

Not in view.  They have a multi volume set of _War and Peace_ in
Dutch, and a Sony television.  I couldn't read the titels on the
cd's.

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>There's just something <familiar> about this style of conversation:

Natalie, have you been keeping <something> from us?

Bethany

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Ah, travel plans. I should probably have been a travel agent. I love to
plan trips - sometimes more than I like to make them.

I am now set for Sydney (July 7-14) - and I used the remainder of my
Finland ticket to buy my ticket (plus a lot of money).

Now I am booking a late October weekend in Salt Lake City - I have been
through there, but I have never stayed overnight there. I'll be staying at
the Hotel Monaco, compliments of the Utah Bar Ass'n.

Anybody near there?

Bethany

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6/13/2003, 1:45 PM, steph wrote:

s> = Nope, not wordslers.  The theory is disproven by the last sentence
s> = above.
s> =
s> = dan

s> but, we do that all the time.  Daily almost.

         Sit silent for a minute?

dan

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Thanks again, especially to Steph.  The Wmart clerk seemed pretty
knowledgeable, but he didn't know whether I could use my old phone.  He
and I both had the same idea then:  Buy a card and try to activate
using the old phone.  If that didn't work, come back and buy the new
phone.  That was this morning.  Early this afternoon I came home and
tried the online activation.  But when I put in my old phone's ESN, the
screen said, "That ESN isn't in our system.  Put in another ESN." Iow,
the old phone won't work since it's not <registered> with TracFone.  So
I went back and bought a new one -- a twin of my old one, though
cheaper than my old one was.  Its battery is now charging.  When it's
charged, I will proceed with the activation process.  I am confident
that there will be no problems, which is why I'm going on and sending
this final report now.

I'm very happy with the situation.  Except for the $50 for the new
phone, there will be no charges other than buying a 30-unit card for
$16.90 (plus tax) -- once every two months if I want to keep the phone
active and keep the same phone number.  Probably I'll just let it lapse
and buy another card and reactivate if I'm about to travel or
whatever.  (There's no activation charge.)  If you reactivate within
120 days of your deactivation, your old unused minutes come back.  If
it's more than 120 days later, you lose the old minutes.

One last thing because I found it interesting -- then I'll end this
cell-phone talk.  When I was buying the card this morning, I ran into a
retired former computer guru (he was supposedly the world's authority
on our old Univac), and we started talking about cell phones and such.
He said he didn't have one but that he had had one occasion when it
would have been nice.  He was driving home from somewhere out of town
late one cold winter night and had car trouble.  He said he was not
dressed for the cold and was getting worried that he might not make it
-- that his fingers were totally numb and something about not being
able to check his blood sugar.  (He has had some serious medical
problems.) What saved him was that he started tapping out SOS with the
brake lights in morse code.  A trucker saw it and stopped and rescued
him.

Anyway, thanks again for the help!
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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6/13/2003, 1:41 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> Now I am booking a late October weekend in Salt Lake City - I have been
BKD> through there, but I have never stayed overnight there. I'll be staying at
BKD> the Hotel Monaco, compliments of the Utah Bar Ass'n.

BKD> Anybody near there?

       Boise is close.  At least in western terms.  Be there on a
       weekend to visit the cathedral?  Yes, know you could visit
       other times too.  I get down there fairly often to visit my
       sister in Bountiful.  When will you be there?


dan

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Roy writes,

>Used by people who will not admit they have PROBLEMS and don't like being
>told that have PROBLEMS. These persons are usually managers and often live
>in California.

As somone who works in California, I can tell you that "challenge" is too
potentially negative, and that the proper word to use is "opportunity."

Pete

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>BKD> Now I am booking a late October weekend in Salt Lake City - I have been
>BKD> through there, but I have never stayed overnight there. I'll be staying at
>BKD> the Hotel Monaco, compliments of the Utah Bar Ass'n.

>       Boise is close.  At least in western terms.  Be there on a
>       weekend to visit the cathedral?  Yes, know you could visit
>       other times too.  I get down there fairly often to visit my
>       sister in Bountiful.  When will you be there?

This will be work, though such enjoyable work that I don't think of it as
work. I will give a talk (something about language and law) at the univ.
on Friday, then give a workshop for the Utah Bar Ass'n on Sat - probably
4+ hours. I've only been through on a Greyhound bus in the past (from CA
to AR) - many, many years ago. This trip will be Oct. 23-26.

Bethany

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6/13/2003, 2:17 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> This will be work, though such enjoyable work that I don't think of it as
BKD> work. I will give a talk (something about language and law) at the univ.
BKD> on Friday, then give a workshop for the Utah Bar Ass'n on Sat - probably
BKD> 4+ hours. I've only been through on a Greyhound bus in the past (from CA
BKD> to AR) - many, many years ago. This trip will be Oct. 23-26.

Not a great weekend for me to travel down there, but you never know,
so remind me when we get closer, even if you've scared me away before
then.

When there be sure to go to the Temple Square Visitor Center and take
a tour.  No real proselytizing, and they've got wonderful info and
dioramas on the history of the west.  Emphasizes BY and the LDS
experience, of course, but it is core to the history of the
intermountain west, and much of the rest of it.  They'll offer you a
Book of Mormon and a video, but no obligation to take such.  And they
don't really push it.


dan

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On Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 14:35, Karen Kay wrote:

> If I weren't already terrified, I would be now. I don't think tax cuts for
> the rich are going to cut it.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/careers/articles/0,15114,457284,00.html
(Lots of junky cookies and popup crap - sorry.)

Tony H.

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On Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 15:32, John Williams wrote:

> Wait. Weight. Freight. Fate. Hate. Height. Bright. Brown. Blown. Lone.

Yep - yep. "Dearest creature in Creation..."

Tony H.

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Dan Lester:
= 6/13/2003, 1:45 PM, steph wrote:
=
= s> = Nope, not wordslers.  The theory is disproven by the last sentence
= s> = above.
= s> =
= s> = dan
=
= s> but, we do that all the time.  Daily almost.
=
=          Sit silent for a minute?
=

yup.  hours even sometimes.

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/13/2003, 2:17 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> BKD> This will be work, though such enjoyable work that I don't think of it as
> BKD> work. I will give a talk (something about language and law) at the univ.
> BKD> on Friday, then give a workshop for the Utah Bar Ass'n on Sat - probably
> BKD> 4+ hours. I've only been through on a Greyhound bus in the past (from CA
> BKD> to AR) - many, many years ago. This trip will be Oct. 23-26.
>
> Not a great weekend for me to travel down there, but you never know,
> so remind me when we get closer, even if you've scared me away before
> then.
>
> When there be sure to go to the Temple Square Visitor Center and take
> a tour.  No real proselytizing, and they've got wonderful info and
> dioramas on the history of the west.  Emphasizes BY and the LDS
> experience, of course, but it is core to the history of the
> intermountain west, and much of the rest of it.  They'll offer you a
> Book of Mormon and a video, but no obligation to take such.  And they
> don't really push it.
>
> dan

This reminds me - Are there any wordslers in Research Triangle
NC area, or in Seattle? I am flying to Chapel Hill tomorrow,
and to Seattle on the 25th. (speaking of airborne plagues!)

clo

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Roy writes,

>Used by people who will not admit they have PROBLEMS and don't like being
>told that have PROBLEMS. These persons are usually managers and often live
>in California.

Problems?! We don't have no steenkin' problems anymore. We have ISSUES.
Sadly ISSUES is loved and overused by managers outside California.

-rashmi

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> Dan Lester:
> = 6/13/2003, 1:45 PM, steph wrote:
> =
> = s> = Nope, not wordslers.  The theory is disproven by the last
> sentence = s> = above.
> = s> =
> = s> = dan
> =
> = s> but, we do that all the time.  Daily almost.
> =
> =          Sit silent for a minute?
> =
>
> yup.  hours even sometimes.

Some of us even make a regular practice of it.

Karen

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> This reminds me - Are there any wordslers in Research Triangle
> NC area, or in Seattle? I am flying to Chapel Hill tomorrow,
> and to Seattle on the 25th. (speaking of airborne plagues!)

Neal is in Seattle. When are you coming back from Seattle?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > This reminds me - Are there any wordslers in Research Triangle
> > NC area, or in Seattle? I am flying to Chapel Hill tomorrow,
> > and to Seattle on the 25th. (speaking of airborne plagues!)
>
> Neal is in Seattle. When are you coming back from Seattle?
>
> Karen

Jul 1 at 9:30 am (on the Red Eye).
clo

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>
> This reminds me - Are there any wordslers in Research Triangle
> NC area, or in Seattle? I am flying to Chapel Hill tomorrow,
> and to Seattle on the 25th. (speaking of airborne plagues!)
>
> clo


Phyllis Petree is at UNC in Chapel Hill.  We visited her at the university.
She is on hiatus from the list and hasn't checked in a while.  I think I'll
drop her a line...

Terry

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Tony writes,

>Yep - yep. "Dearest creature in Creation..."

Thanks!  A good article about _The Chaos_ and its author, Gerard Nolst Trenité:

<http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j17/caos.html>

Pete

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steph's myopic binocular:
>I couldn't read the titels on the cd's.

All together now:

You must upgrade.

Or:
<BETHANY>
Lasik.[tm]
</BETHANY>

--
Richard, lubs me specs

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02003-06-13 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > >>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
> > >
> > > > Evil twins, no doubt.
> > >
> > > How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?
> >
> > "Scaphoides"
>
> Shaped like a boat?
>
> Or are you thinking of the fungus Arthrobotrys scaphoides?
>
> Or perhaps an insect from the scaphoideus family?
> http://www.cedarcreek.umn.edu/insects/album/021014099ap.html

This is the worst flirting I have ever seen.

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dan, dan, the locust man:
> This is worst outbreak in SW Idaho since WWII.

So the crickets come every year, it's
just that some years are worse than
others?

This year's been nice for us -- a bad
year for Formosan termites (eradication
efforts certainly helped), and a good
year for crawfish and Creole tomatoes.

--
'cepfer a timely phone call, coulda been in Boise

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-13 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > >>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
> > > >
> > > > > Evil twins, no doubt.
> > > >
> > > > How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?
> > >
> > > "Scaphoides"
> >
> > Shaped like a boat?
> >
> > Or are you thinking of the fungus Arthrobotrys scaphoides?
> >
> > Or perhaps an insect from the scaphoideus family?
> > http://www.cedarcreek.umn.edu/insects/album/021014099ap.html
>
> This is the worst flirting I have ever seen.

If by "worst" you mean "least appealing to witness as a third party",
you could be close to right.
clo

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Rita:
>Come to the 'fest and I'll give you
>private lessons, hon.

Oooh, that felt good.  The only other
person who's ever called me "hon" is
Lu the leathery waitress at the Waffle
House on the I-10 near Baton Rouge.

In NOLA, the password is "baby".

--
Richard, scattered, smothered, etc.

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From: "Tony Harminc" <tony@harminc.com>
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On Friday, June 13, 2003 at 9:17, Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Mulberries grow on trees and look like blackberries. And they grow
> > in the midwest.

>         Ah-ha!  That's what they are.  A web page says they ripen in
> late summer -- maybe that's in northern zones.  I could pick as many
> as I wanted, but I've never eaten mulberries to know if they taste
> good.  Growing in the river bluffs/bottoms, these would have to be
> pretty juicy.

Mulberries are - like raspberries and various others - composed of
many little berrylets. They are not smooth skinned things like
blueberries. I'm not much of a berry person, but I like the taste of
these a lot once they're really ripe; the greenish ones are not so
good. They are incredibly staining; you can't let kids near them
unless you really don't care about the clothes. They grow on city
streets here, and the sidewalk mess is unbelievable.

Tony H.

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02003-06-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-13 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > > >>Me too ... I think we have chemistry.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Evil twins, no doubt.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?
> > > >
> > > > "Scaphoides"
> > >
> > > Shaped like a boat?
> > >
> > > Or are you thinking of the fungus Arthrobotrys scaphoides?
> > >
> > > Or perhaps an insect from the scaphoideus family?
> > > http://www.cedarcreek.umn.edu/insects/album/021014099ap.html
> >
> > This is the worst flirting I have ever seen.
>
> If by "worst" you mean "least appealing to witness as a third party",
> you could be close to right.

This is the worst display of gelosity I have ever seen.

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steph wrote:

> Dan Lester:
> = 6/13/2003, 1:32 PM, steph wrote:
> =
> =
> = s> I was just out on my roof with binoculars checking out the birds.
> = s> Also, I couldn't resist spying on the neighbors too.
> =
> =    Hell with the birds, what are the neighbors doing?
> =
> = dan
>
> Not in view.  They have a multi volume set of _War and Peace_ in
> Dutch, and a Sony television.  I couldn't read the titels on the
> cd's.


        Steph, I am totally horrified right now.  But in an enjoyable
way.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > This is the worst flirting I have ever seen.
> >
> > If by "worst" you mean "least appealing to witness as a third party",
> > you could be close to right.
>
> This is the worst display of gelosity I have ever seen.

OED is stumped. Is is sticky? and I <don't> want to know why;
or is it an "obscure form of jealousie"?
clo

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02003-06-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-06-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > > This is the worst flirting I have ever seen.
> > >
> > > If by "worst" you mean "least appealing to witness as a third party",
> > > you could be close to right.
> >
> > This is the worst display of gelosity I have ever seen.
>
> OED is stumped. Is is sticky? and I <don't> want to know why;
> or is it an "obscure form of jealousie"?

This is not a free service. But yeah, it's an obscure form of
jealousy ...

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02003-06-13 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> steph wrote:
>
> >Dan Lester:
> >= 6/13/2003, 1:32 PM, steph wrote:
> >=
> >=
> >= s> I was just out on my roof with binoculars checking out the birds.
> >= s> Also, I couldn't resist spying on the neighbors too.
> >=
> >=    Hell with the birds, what are the neighbors doing?
> >=
> >= dan
> >
> >Not in view.  They have a multi volume set of _War and Peace_ in
> >Dutch, and a Sony television.  I couldn't read the titels on the
> >cd's.
>
>
> Steph, I am totally horrified right now.  But in an enjoyable way.

Why? People stocking up against panic attacks in such a dumb way?
Why not just an encyclopedia ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> This is not a free service.

Whose?
clo

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Ah-ha!  That's what they are.  A web page says they ripen in
> late summer -- maybe that's in northern zones.  I could pick
> as many as I wanted, but I've never eaten mulberries to know
> if they taste good.  Growing in the river bluffs/bottoms,
> these would have to be pretty juicy.

They are sweet and juicy.  I don't eat them any more, but did when I was
a kid.  I have numerous mulberry trees in my yard and more popping up
each season thanks to the birds.

--
Sylvia Edwards
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I did not follow the discussion of cell phones and cards closely - but I
got to wondering. What good will a <card> do if you need to make a
telephone call? I don't understand that concept. What am I missing?

Bethany

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02003-06-13 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> I did not follow the discussion of cell phones and cards closely - but
> I got to wondering. What good will a <card> do if you need to make a
> telephone call? I don't understand that concept. What am I missing?

I missed it completely, but from my use of "cards" I can tell you
this--people's stupid usage habits take a long time to die. The
"card" is a number they give you in exchange of the money you
pay. Then, typically, you dial their access number, followed by
your "card" number, followed by the number you want to call. This
procedure lets you through without further payment, because you
are using a "prepaid" "card".

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02003-06-13 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > This is not a free service.
>
> Whose?

Maynor.

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> > > How do you say Evil Twins in Latin?
> >


Perhaps the Vatican knows ....


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2670930,00.html


Has anyone had a look at a copy of this relatively new dictionary?


AS

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>I missed it completely, but from my use of "cards" I can tell you
>this--people's stupid usage habits take a long time to die. The
>"card" is a number they give you in exchange of the money you

But if all you have is a card, wtf do you <dial>???

Bethany

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>Not a great weekend for me to travel down there, but you never know,
>so remind me when we get closer, even if you've scared me away before
>then.

Okay. And thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I will take along a few copies
of the Book of Common Prayer to give away.

Bethany

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It seems to me that a French person would have to put his own interpretive spin on it.  After all, not many of our idioms spell things out that succinctly, is it not?

Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET>


Have we had a vote? I meant to keep track. Esprit d'escalier, is that
when you're going up or down?

I want it to be up. But I'm afraid it's down.

I just can't figure out how to figure this out, without joining a French
words-l. I am really bummed to realize I have no more French friends,
none anymore.

Oh forget it, forget voting, you wouldn't count anyway! I'm going to look
for a French person. I can wait a long time.


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Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Roy writes,




We have ISSUES.
Sadly ISSUES is loved and overused by managers outside California.

-rashmi

ISSUES. These days, everyone has at least one.  Is this a self-imposed defense mechanism, or is it just something someone says about other people?

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> It seems to me that a French person would have to put his own interpretive
> spin on it.  After all, not many of our idioms spell things out that
> succinctly, is it not?

Yes, of course, it is.  Jeez.

I was going after the native spin.

Tushar answered me with some Bertrand Meyer - swoon - quote.

Ann

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Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> wrote:
Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-13 | Carolyn Ostrander writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > This is the worst flirting I have ever seen.




















> >
> > If by "worst" you mean "least appealing to witness as a third party",
> > you could be close to right.
>
> This is the worst display of gelosity I have ever seen.

OED is stumped. Is is sticky? and I want to know why;
or is it an "obscure form of jealousie"?
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

>Richard, lubs me specs

Me too, now that they cost only $6 and are used only for reading and
computing.

Bethany

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02003-06-13 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> ISSUES. These days, everyone has at least one.  Is this a self-imposed
> defense mechanism, or is it just something someone says about other
> people?

I don't have issues.

Or maybe I have one: people who don't put other people's posts in
quotation marks. But that's the only one!

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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The "words you hate" survey is now in the wild, and people are going
hell for leather adding to it, frequently interpreting the very
specific question on very liberal artistic lines. Here's a sample:

* Gif, when pronounced "jiff"
* Job Jacket
* Booklet
* Snookums (LOATHE IT)
* Heads-up
* Do, as in "let's do lunch"
* Fanny (HATE IT)

Inspired by this, I'd like to mention a turn of phrase which I hate--
saying "Dodgson" instead of Lewis Carroll! The author's name is Lewis
Carroll! That's what he must be called, sorry. However, it is nothing
compared to "the bard". People who say "the bard" don't realize that
they are really saying, "Hi, I am an asshole!" Stop it!

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At 09:36 PM 6/13/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>The "words you hate" survey is now in the wild, and people are going
>hell for leather adding to it, frequently interpreting the very
>specific question on very liberal artistic lines. Here's a sample:
>
>* Gif, when pronounced "jiff"
>* Job Jacket
>* Booklet
>* Snookums (LOATHE IT)
>* Heads-up
>* Do, as in "let's do lunch"
>* Fanny (HATE IT)
>
>Inspired by this, I'd like to mention a turn of phrase which I hate--
>saying "Dodgson" instead of Lewis Carroll! The author's name is Lewis
>Carroll! That's what he must be called, sorry. However, it is nothing
>compared to "the bard". People who say "the bard" don't realize that
>they are really saying, "Hi, I am an asshole!" Stop it!

I apologize.

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02003-06-13 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >I missed it completely, but from my use of "cards" I can tell you
> >this--people's stupid usage habits take a long time to die. The
> >"card" is a number they give you in exchange of the money you
>
> But if all you have is a card, wtf do you <dial>???

Ah, the "card" is not all you have. You also need a phone, an
entirely distinct device and uncoupled from the "card" in every
way except your gentle human agency.

Fretting is futile, since you will NEVER hear a single person
mentioning this. That's because they are "card" users and fail
to understand what the difficulty is.

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02003-06-13 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:36 PM 6/13/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >The "words you hate" survey is now in the wild, and people are going
> >hell for leather adding to it, frequently interpreting the very
> >specific question on very liberal artistic lines. Here's a sample:
> >
> >* Gif, when pronounced "jiff"
> >* Job Jacket
> >* Booklet
> >* Snookums (LOATHE IT)
> >* Heads-up
> >* Do, as in "let's do lunch"
> >* Fanny (HATE IT)
> >
> >Inspired by this, I'd like to mention a turn of phrase which I hate--
> >saying "Dodgson" instead of Lewis Carroll! The author's name is Lewis
> >Carroll! That's what he must be called, sorry. However, it is nothing
> >compared to "the bard". People who say "the bard" don't realize that
> >they are really saying, "Hi, I am an asshole!" Stop it!
>
> I apologize.

Bless your scaphoids!

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02003-06-13 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > It seems to me that a French person would have to put his own
> > interpretive spin on it.  After all, not many of our idioms spell
> > things out that succinctly, is it not?
>
> Yes, of course, it is.  Jeez.
>
> I was going after the native spin.
>
> Tushar answered me with some Bertrand Meyer - swoon - quote.

It's not "some" Bertrand Meyer. It is in fact THE Bertrand Meyer,
as could be guessed from the references to software which seeped
into the quotation ...

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Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
The "words you hate" survey is now in the wild, and people are going
hell for leather adding to it, frequently interpreting the very
specific question on very liberal artistic lines. Here's a sample:

* Gif, when pronounced "jiff"
* Job Jacket
* Booklet
* Snookums (LOATHE IT)
* Heads-up
* Do, as in "let's do lunch"
* Fanny (HATE IT)

Inspired by this, I'd like to mention a turn of phrase which I hate--
saying "Dodgson" instead of Lewis Carroll! The author's name is Lewis
Carroll! That's what he must be called, sorry. However, it is nothing
compared to "the bard". People who say "the bard" don't realize that
they are really saying, "Hi, I am an asshole!" Stop it!

You are quite the endearing charmer, aren't you?  Tell me how to do the quotation marks and I will try to comply, if only to put you in a better temper.



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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Roy writes,
>
> >Used by people who will not admit they have PROBLEMS and don't like being
> >told that have PROBLEMS. These persons are usually managers and often live
> >in California.
>
> As somone who works in California, I can tell you that "challenge" is too
> potentially negative, and that the proper word to use is "opportunity."

    And then there are those who view a challenge as "Oh, great!  Another
fucking "growth opportunity"."

JMW

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Friday, June 13, 2003, 10:04:10 PM, John Williams wrote:
>     And then there are those who view a challenge as "Oh, great!  Another
> fucking "growth opportunity"."

I have beaten up people who tell me being unemployed is an opportunity
for growth.

Karen

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Tushar:

> > Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> > every word spoken by career transition consultants.

>Is the nature of your transition private information?

No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
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02003-06-13 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> You are quite the endearing charmer, aren't you?

Nice phrasing ... The bard, perchance?

> Tell me how to do the quotation marks and I will try to comply,
> if only to put you in a better temper.

You don't really have to bother, since my "temper" comes from
the fact that people suck, which is much more general than simple
unquoted mail. But, if you want to know, you should ask someone
who uses Outlook--my guess is it is a matter of locating the
right "option" from the myriad things that drop from the menu
bar.

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02003-06-13 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, June 13, 2003, 10:04:10 PM, John Williams wrote:
> >     And then there are those who view a challenge as "Oh, great!  Another
> > fucking "growth opportunity"."
>
> I have beaten up people who tell me being unemployed is an opportunity
> for growth.

By beating them up, you did grow, which means they were right.
I apologize for your misunderstanding.

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02003-06-14 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
>
> >> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> >> every word spoken by career transition consultants.
>
> >Is the nature of your transition private information?
>
> No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
> public domain).

WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?

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Tushar:

> > >> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> > >> every word spoken by career transition consultants.
> >
> > >Is the nature of your transition private information?
> >
> > No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
> > public domain).
>
>WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?

Oh. That's just what consultants for the soon-to-be-unemployed
are calling themselves these days. I have no other career in mind.
A recession-resistant career would be nice. Any ideas?

-rashmi

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Tushar writes,

>By beating them up, you did grow, which means they were right.

Reminds me of Unisys, GIF and PNG:

>But Unisys credited its exertion of the LZW patent with the creation of
>the PNG format, and whatever improvements the newer technology brought to
>bear.
>
>"We haven't evaluated the new recommendation for PNG, and it remains to be
>seen whether the new version will have an effect on the use of GIF
>images," said Unisys representative Kristine Grow. "If so, the patent
>situation will have achieved its purpose, which is to advance
>technological innovation. So we applaud that."

<http://news.com.com/2100-1032-1014236.html>

Pete

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Tushar:

> > >> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> > >> every word spoken by career transition consultants.
> >
> > >Is the nature of your transition private information?
> >
> > No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
> > public domain).
>
>WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?

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Hello, Wordslers,

I was a member of your fine family for a few years in the early 90s, before
the full-fledged arrival of the infobahn, when everything was still

in%"words-l@listserv.ug.edu"

and so forth, and I'm both thrilled and astonished to see many of the same
faces including Natalie, Tushar, and my old friend Paul Barfoot from
Syracuse.  (Remember when my choir sang on your campus, Paul?  Did that
really happen?)

I want to try to keep up, and now that school is almost over for the summer
(I'm currently a Special Ed. high school teacher in Montclair, NJ teaching
inclusion Chemistry and inclusion Algebra II and resource center Algebra II)
I may be able to.  But the 135 messages I received today were overwhelming
at 11:30 at night.  LOL

Looking forward to keeping in touch, and already feeling like I'm "home",

Matt

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6/13/2003, 4:13 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> dan, dan, the locust man:
>> This is worst outbreak in SW Idaho since WWII.

hpv> So the crickets come every year, it's
hpv> just that some years are worse than
hpv> others?

      Right.  Many years there aren't enough to get very excited
      about.  They were very bad last year, and are worse now, worst
      since 1940.  As I understand it the range from high to low is at
      least a hundred to one, though not that dramatic in consecutive
      years.

dan

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Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Tushar:

> > >> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> > >> every word spoken by career transition consultants.
> >
> > >Is the nature of your transition private information?
> >
> > No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
> > public domain).
>
>WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?

Oh. That's just what consultants for the soon-to-be-unemployed
are calling themselves these days. I have no other career in mind.
A recession-resistant career would be nice. Any ideas?



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6/13/2003, 4:27 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

TH> They are incredibly staining; you can't let kids near them
TH> unless you really don't care about the clothes. They grow on city
TH> streets here, and the sidewalk mess is unbelievable.

     When I was a kid in Phoenix fifty years ago, and we wore nothing
     but sneakers and shorts all summer, we used mulberries to make
     designs on our bodies like "wild Indians".  The skin was indeed
     stained enough that it didn't wash off for some time.

dan

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6/13/2003, 6:44 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>Not a great weekend for me to travel down there, but you never know,
>>so remind me when we get closer, even if you've scared me away before
>>then.

BKD> Okay. And thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I will take along a few copies
BKD> of the Book of Common Prayer to give away.

   They won't let you take them onto LDS property, though.  Nor will
   they let you preach, harrass, etc.  But you could pass them out
   elsewhere.  The Cathedral is about four or five blocks from the
   Temple.

dan

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6/13/2003, 9:35 PM, Matthew Beams wrote:


MB> I was a member of your fine family for a few years in the early 90s, before
MB> the full-fledged arrival of the infobahn, when everything was still

MB> in%"words-l@listserv.ug.edu"

     Well, yes, if you were on a VAX, and if you change the address to
     @uga.cc.uga.edu

dan

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02003-06-13 | Matthew Beams <matthewbeams@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> Hello, Wordslers,
>
> I was a member of your fine family for a few years in the early 90s, before
> the full-fledged arrival of the infobahn, when everything was still
>
> in%"words-l@listserv.ug.edu"
>
> and so forth, and I'm both thrilled and astonished to see many of the same
> faces including Natalie, Tushar, and my old friend Paul Barfoot from
> Syracuse.  (Remember when my choir sang on your campus, Paul?  Did that
> really happen?)
>
> I want to try to keep up, and now that school is almost over for the summer
> (I'm currently a Special Ed. high school teacher in Montclair, NJ teaching
> inclusion Chemistry and inclusion Algebra II and resource center Algebra II)
> I may be able to.  But the 135 messages I received today were overwhelming
> at 11:30 at night.  LOL
>
> Looking forward to keeping in touch, and already feeling like I'm "home",

CLOSE THE DAMN DOOR, THERE'S A DRAFT

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02003-06-14 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
>
> >> >> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
> >> >> every word spoken by career transition consultants.
> >>
> >> >Is the nature of your transition private information?
> >>
> >> No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
> >> public domain).
> >
> >WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?
>
> Oh. That's just what consultants for the soon-to-be-unemployed
> are calling themselves these days.

Oh.

> I have no other career in mind. A recession-resistant career
> would be nice. Any ideas?

Don't know. I am trying to think up something for myself ...

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Ah, the "card" is not all you have. You also need a phone, an
>entirely distinct device and uncoupled from the "card" in every
>way except your gentle human agency.

Ah, thank you. (Why would I want to carry a <card> as well as my cell
phone?) I once stopped going to supermarkets for several months because
they all started insisting that I carry a <card> as well as money or its
equivalent in order to get their sale prices. Jeez!

Bethany

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> I have beaten up people who tell me being unemployed is an opportunity
>> for growth.
>
>By beating them up, you did grow, which means they were right.
>I apologize for your misunderstanding.

LOL! QOTD!

Bethany

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I love some words that I would never use. One is <whilst>, as in

"the balance you can pay whilst you are here."

Thank you, Sydney!

Bethany

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Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/13/2003, 4:27 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> TH> They are incredibly staining; you can't let kids near them
> TH> unless you really don't care about the clothes. They grow on city
> TH> streets here, and the sidewalk mess is unbelievable.
>
>      When I was a kid in Phoenix fifty years ago, and we wore nothing
>      but sneakers and shorts all summer, we used mulberries to make
>      designs on our bodies like "wild Indians".  The skin was indeed
>      stained enough that it didn't wash off for some time.


        Ana got a bunch on her legs, but it all washed off when she
waded along the edge of the Missouri River.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Matthew Beams wrote:



> I want to try to keep up, and now that school is almost over for the summer
> (I'm currently a Special Ed. high school teacher in Montclair, NJ teaching
> inclusion Chemistry and inclusion Algebra II and resource center Algebra II)
> I may be able to.  But the 135 messages I received today were overwhelming
> at 11:30 at night.  LOL


Welcome back, Matt.

I'm a regular ed. high school teacher in Webster Groves,
Missouri.  I co-teach three sections of CWC sophomore
English -- but now I'm out for the summer.  Rest assured
that you can keep up.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>BKD> Okay. And thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I will take along a few copies
>BKD> of the Book of Common Prayer to give away.
>
>   They won't let you take them onto LDS property, though.  Nor will
>   they let you preach, harrass, etc.  But you could pass them out
>   elsewhere.  The Cathedral is about four or five blocks from the
>   Temple.

That was mostly a joke. And I usually preach only when I am in a pulpit -
or in front of my EFM group.

Bethany

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Rita:
=
=
=        Steph, I am totally horrified right now.  But in an enjoyable
= way.
=

Yeah, spying on the neighbors was poor judgement.  Good thing I
didn't get caught, that probably would have been unpleasant.  Not
that it's justification or anything, but the street is only ten
steps wide, say a max of 15 feet.  So I can overhear phone
conversations and listen to the news from their tv when the
window is open (which is most of the time).

The apartment at street level just sold, and they must be
painting.  They've taken down the curtains and covered the window
with newspaper, and up here on the second floor (third floor
american) I can see which paper it is no problem.

This picture gives you an idea of how wide the street is:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg

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>That was mostly a joke. And I usually preach only when I am in a pulpit -or
in front of my EFM group.


>Bethany

Indeed ...?!

AS

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
=
= >Ah, the "card" is not all you have. You also need a phone, an
= >entirely distinct device and uncoupled from the "card" in every
= >way except your gentle human agency.
=
= Ah, thank you. (Why would I want to carry a <card> as well as my cell
= phone?) I once stopped going to supermarkets for several months because
= they all started insisting that I carry a <card> as well as money or its
= equivalent in order to get their sale prices. Jeez!
=
= Bethany

You still do not get it.  A subscription phone has unlimited use.
A pre-pay phone can only be used for however long it is paid in
advance for.  How do you pay for a cell phone call in advance?


One way this works, and possibly how what Natalie just got works
is:
You buy a card.  The card has a scratch off authorization number
on it (or the number is sealed from view/use in some other way).  You
dial a special number of your cell phone carrier which is used
for paying in advance for calls you want to make.  It recognizes
the sim on your phone as authorized and asks you to type in
the number off of the card.  It looks up the number in it's
computer and adds the value of the card (probably the amount you
paid for the card) to your current prepaid balance.  You throw
away the card.

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, steph wrote:

>= Ah, thank you. (Why would I want to carry a <card> as well as my cell
>= phone?) I once stopped going to supermarkets for several months because
>= they all started insisting that I carry a <card> as well as money or its
>= equivalent in order to get their sale prices. Jeez!
>=
>You still do not get it.  A subscription phone has unlimited use.
>A pre-pay phone can only be used for however long it is paid in
>advance for.  How do you pay for a cell phone call in advance?

Nor do I want to. To pay for a cell phone call in advance is easy - mail a
check a month in advance of receiving the bill. I normally carry a
<credit> on my cell phone bill.

There are already too many cards in my life. I see absolutely no point to
this one.

And how do you <pre-pay> incoming calls, since you presumably do not know
exactly when you will get them?

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor:
= Thanks again, especially to Steph.  The Wmart clerk seemed pretty

You're very welcome.  I hope you like your new phone.

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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>Indeed ...?!

Right. You ain't heard nothin' yet, hon!

Bethany

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Attention, Matt!  For example, you can keep up quite nicely
by skipping this thread entirely.

Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
>
>
>>= Ah, thank you. (Why would I want to carry a <card> as well as my cell
>>= phone?) I once stopped going to supermarkets for several months because
>>= they all started insisting that I carry a <card> as well as money or its
>>= equivalent in order to get their sale prices. Jeez!
>>=
>>You still do not get it.  A subscription phone has unlimited use.
>>A pre-pay phone can only be used for however long it is paid in
>>advance for.  How do you pay for a cell phone call in advance?
>>
>
> Nor do I want to. To pay for a cell phone call in advance is easy - mail a
> check a month in advance of receiving the bill. I normally carry a
> <credit> on my cell phone bill.
>
> There are already too many cards in my life. I see absolutely no point to
> this one.
>
> And how do you <pre-pay> incoming calls, since you presumably do not know
> exactly when you will get them?
>
> Bethany
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Friday, June 13, 2003, 10:35:00 PM, Matthew Beams wrote:
> Looking forward to keeping in touch, and already feeling like I'm "home",

YaY! Welcome back!

Karen

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Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:11:03 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Law enforcement.  There'sever a down-swing in business.

I'm assuming that 'ever' is a never. But doesn't the government's
willingness to pay for the service depend on the economy?

Karen

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In a message dated 6/14/2003 9:40:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
I'm assuming that 'ever' is a never. But doesn't the government's
willingness to pay for the service depend on the economy?

>>

Yes.  Tulsa is even cutting back on its police and fire departments.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 6/13/2003 10:45:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Looking forward to keeping in touch, and already feeling like I'm "home",

>>

Welcome back, Matt!

Evelyn Duncan
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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
=
= >= Ah, thank you. (Why would I want to carry a <card> as well as my cell
= >= phone?) I once stopped going to supermarkets for several months because
= >= they all started insisting that I carry a <card> as well as money or its
= >= equivalent in order to get their sale prices. Jeez!
= >=
= >You still do not get it.  A subscription phone has unlimited use.
= >A pre-pay phone can only be used for however long it is paid in
= >advance for.  How do you pay for a cell phone call in advance?
=
= Nor do I want to. To pay for a cell phone call in advance is easy - mail a
= check a month in advance of receiving the bill. I normally carry a
= <credit> on my cell phone bill.
=
= There are already too many cards in my life. I see absolutely no point to
= this one.

That's because you are missing the point entirely.

=
= And how do you <pre-pay> incoming calls, since you presumably do not know
= exactly when you will get them?
=
= Bethany

Looks to me like you have a balance on your phone, and minutes
are minutes.  If your minutes are finished, I bet you don't get
your incoming calls.

(of course in Europe, no one pays for incoming calls, sneer
sneer)

Bethany, this kind of telephone service is probably not at all
usefull to you, but is exactly what Natalie was looking for.

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Rita Chapman:
= Attention, Matt!  For example, you can keep up quite nicely
= by skipping this thread entirely.
=

and I wish I had stopped a post or two sooner!

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steph:
= Natalie Maynor:
= = Thanks again, especially to Steph.  The Wmart clerk seemed pretty
=
= You're very welcome.  I hope you like your new phone.

er oops.  I meant to send that just to Natalie.

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At 09:38 AM 6/14/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Attention, Matt!  For example, you can keep up quite nicely
>by skipping this thread entirely.

Indeed.

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see yez in a week or so

Ann

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6/14/2003, 7:38 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:


BKD> That was mostly a joke. And I usually preach only when I am in a pulpit -
BKD> or in front of my EFM group.

  I figured that, but thought I'd let you in on some of the
  environment anyway.

dan

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6/14/2003, 8:39 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:11:03 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:
>> Law enforcement.  There'sever a down-swing in business.

KK> I'm assuming that 'ever' is a never. But doesn't the government's
KK> willingness to pay for the service depend on the economy?

      Doesn't change much.  After all, when you have to choose between
      paying for police and fire vs. libraries, education, and
      welfare, which one wins?  QED.

dan

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steph wrote:

> Rita Chapman:
> = Attention, Matt!  For example, you can keep up quite nicely
> = by skipping this thread entirely.
> =
>
> and I wish I had stopped a post or two sooner!



These days, there are certain threads that you know will go
surreal within a post or two.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rashmi Murthy:
= Saturday and the sun is out. I've forgotten what that feels like.
=

Get the hell outta here!  It's sunny out!

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On Saturday, June 14, 2003, steph wrote:
> Rita Chapman:
> = Attention, Matt!  For example, you can keep up quite nicely
> = by skipping this thread entirely.
> =

> and I wish I had stopped a post or two sooner!

I don't--I wasn't paying attention, so I didn't really understand what
you were talking about till your last few posts. You really do give
good explanation.

Karen

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 10:08:03 AM, Ann Borkin wrote:
> see yez in a week or so

WHERE ARE YOU GOING????

Karen

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steph:

>= Saturday and the sun is out. I've forgotten what that feels like.

>Get the hell outta here!  It's sunny out!

I'm going, I'm going. Quick email check before I run out.

Your other post reminded me of how weird it was to be able to
see into your neighbor's living room (from your place). How's the
roof garden?

-rashmi

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At 03:25 PM 6/14/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Saturday and the sun is out. I've forgotten what that feels like.

I guess this is our weekend for rain and clouds.

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Rashmi Murthy:
= steph:
=
= >= Saturday and the sun is out. I've forgotten what that feels like.
=
= >Get the hell outta here!  It's sunny out!
=
= I'm going, I'm going. Quick email check before I run out.
=
= Your other post reminded me of how weird it was to be able to
= see into your neighbor's living room (from your place). How's the
= roof garden?
=
= -rashmi

I, for the first time, opted out of going with Patrick to the
garden center today.  He came back with 600 liters of dirt and
compost and 15 pots.  He's on a tomato kick.  He's just bought
all these heirloom seeds on the internet.

We've been eating peas and snow peas, but other than that so far
it's been mostly flowers in the garden.  I need to go take some
more pictures.  One of the tomatoes we planted earlier is
certainly already taller than Karen ( it has a head start since
the pot takes up the first foot).

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= more pictures.  One of the tomatoes we planted earlier is
= certainly already taller than Karen (it has a head start since
= the pot takes up the first foot).

Ok.  I exaggerated.  It's not that tall yet.  I hope the one of
the tomatoe turns out.  It was the last shot on the roll.

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I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice
to have a little time on my hands for a change).  It is
absolutely to die for.  OMG.  I'll never buy it from the
Deli at Whole Foods again.

--
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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 11:12:23 AM, steph wrote:
> One of the tomatoes we planted earlier is
> certainly already taller than Karen ( it has a head start since
> the pot takes up the first foot).

Doesn't count.

My dill plant is taller than I am, too. I bet it's as tall as Paul.

Karen

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=
= > and I wish I had stopped a post or two sooner!
=
= I don't--I wasn't paying attention, so I didn't really understand what
= you were talking about till your last few posts. You really do give
= good explanation.
=
= Karen

Thanks.  Any ideas how this can bring me fame and fortune?  Maybe
I'll work on a cookbook.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 12:03:47 PM, steph wrote:
= >> and I wish I had stopped a post or two sooner!
> =
> = I don't--I wasn't paying attention, so I didn't really understand what
> = you were talking about till your last few posts. You really do give
> = good explanation.
> =
> = Karen

> Thanks.  Any ideas how this can bring me fame and fortune?

In my experience, this expertise merely leads to unemployment.:-/

Karen

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Rita Chapman:
= I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice
= to have a little time on my hands for a change).  It is
= absolutely to die for.  OMG.  I'll never buy it from the
= Deli at Whole Foods again.

Recipe!

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 12:12:22 PM, Rita Chapman wrote:
> I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice
> to have a little time on my hands for a change).  It is
> absolutely to die for.  OMG.  I'll never buy it from the
> Deli at Whole Foods again.

Costco frozen spanakopita is better than WF--but I take your point.

Karen

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Is ratatouille a soup?! I have always made this more like a stew. (But
then, I have usually made it with lentils, which I guess isn't
traditional.)

Karen

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What are sfinciones?

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= What are sfinciones?
=

PIATTO TIPICO DEL PALERMITANO, lo sfincione è l'equivalente
siciliano della pizza napoletana.

Even I can wade through that much Italian!

And then it goes on to say something about being typcial for
Christmas, and for being poor.


http://www.siciliaonline.it/appasp/gastronomia/dettaglio.asp?idric=27

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Karen Kay:
= Is ratatouille a soup?! I have always made this more like a stew. (But
= then, I have usually made it with lentils, which I guess isn't
= traditional.)
=
= Karen

No.  You can make it pretty thin with lots of tomatoes, and cut
things really small, but I can't imagine it getting from stew to
soup.

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Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:11:03 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:
> Law enforcement. There'sever a down-swing in business.

I'm assuming that 'ever' is a never. But doesn't the government's
willingness to pay for the service depend on the economy?

Karen

You assume correctly, Sorry.

The government accedes to the will of the people. in most cases, because of the government's wish to be re-elected.  In poor economic times, citizens are more protective of their lives and possessions than ever.  And believe me, they demand services.  The governement will react.  Witness Mr. Clinton's notion to put an additional 100,000 police officers on the streets of the country.  And although this never happened, most people like to tell themselves that it did and they were safer.

>From my view on my stump on the log, I see U.S. citizens becoming more "law and order" oriented with each passing day.



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steph writes,

>PIATTO TIPICO DEL PALERMITANO, lo sfincione è l'equivalente
>siciliano della pizza napoletana.

There's a dead site <www2.gestelnet.it> with that passage in Italian and
French -- Google still has it in cache if you search for <sfincione>.

It's also described as thick and soft -- the Sicilian equivalent of deep
dish pizza.

Pete

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02003-06-14 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>From my view on my stump on the log, I see U.S. citizens becoming
>more "law and order" oriented with each passing day.

That's a pretty good way to put it!

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Today, I purchased my first CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car with the
handy little cassette adaptor that I also purchased. I can see how one
might become addicted the the WALkman + headset.

(I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)

Bethany

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 3:04:24 PM, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Is ratatouille a soup?! I have always made this more like a stew. (But
> = then, I have usually made it with lentils, which I guess isn't
> = traditional.)
> =
> = Karen

> No.  You can make it pretty thin with lots of tomatoes, and cut
> things really small, but I can't imagine it getting from stew to
> soup.

It was listed on some Provencal web site as a soup, which is why I
asked.

Karen

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Bethany, the penny-pincher:
>I normally carry a <credit> on my cell phone bill.

What the heck for?

--
Richard             so long, Mikey

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the newest vehicular predator:
>CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car

Great.  Another cage-racer with
another distraction.

You all suck.

--
Richard             so long, Mikey

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6/14/2003, 2:58 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> Today, I purchased my first CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car with the
BKD> handy little cassette adaptor that I also purchased. I can see how one
BKD> might become addicted the the WALkman + headset.

BKD> (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)

    Wait until you get a portable MP3 player, where you can have
    hundreds of tunes in any order you want, not just those from one
    CD.

dan

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

>>I normally carry a <credit> on my cell phone bill.
>
>What the heck for?

I could lie and say that like many other wordslers I like to <prepay> all
my calls - but I won't. I tend to prepay bills whose amounts are
predictable - because of my travel schedule. I do not like to pay bills
late. I have had to pay more than my basic contract amount for my cell
phone only only once in the last year - I ran over about $ .44 one month.

Bethany

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 7:01:20 PM, Dan Lester wrote:

> 6/14/2003, 2:58 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD>> Today, I purchased my first CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car with the
BKD>> handy little cassette adaptor that I also purchased. I can see how one
BKD>> might become addicted the the WALkman + headset.

BKD>> (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)

>     Wait until you get a portable MP3 player, where you can have
>     hundreds of tunes in any order you want, not just those from one
>     CD.

She has an iPod--I guess she didn't realize she could hook that up to
her car tape player with the same adapter she's using for the CD
player.

Karen

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Karen:
> Is ratatouille a soup?!

I've always considered that one of
those things like gumbo. It is, so
to speak, what it is.

Like cioppino or boo-ya-bez, see
what I'm saying?

Whatever.  I'm off to eat greasy
chow mein, yeah, sold by the pound.

--
Richard             so long, Mikey

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 7:14:20 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>> Is ratatouille a soup?!

> I've always considered that one of
> those things like gumbo. It is, so
> to speak, what it is.

> Like cioppino or boo-ya-bez, see
> what I'm saying?

Yes. I guess I don't consider those soups, either.

> Whatever.  I'm off to eat greasy
> chow mein, yeah, sold by the pound.

Ick.

I'm busy making a short row toe for my sock. It's <interesting>.

Karen

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Bethany:
>prepay bills whose amounts are predictable -
>because of my travel schedule.

Ah, O.K.

'Seemed out of character for
you, 'now makes sense.

--
Richard             so long, Mikey

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Saturday, June 14, 2003, 7:18:50 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Bethany:
>>prepay bills whose amounts are predictable -
>>because of my travel schedule.

> Ah, O.K.

> 'Seemed out of character for
> you, 'now makes sense.

It doesn't make sense to me in these days of scheduled EFTs.

Karen

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

>the newest vehicular predator:
>>CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car
>
>Great.  Another cage-racer with
>another distraction.

I take it you never turn your car radio on.

Bethany

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Karen-san:
> Ick.

Not with enough cheap, mass-produced beer
and a bad attitude.  Then it's perfect.

> I'm busy making a short row toe for my sock. It's <interesting>.

I first read this as "roe tow", figured it
was some weird sushi thing I'd ever heard
of, then hit "sock".

--
pour me another voddy, baby, then we're outta here

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Karen:
> It doesn't make sense to me in these days of scheduled EFTs.

Agreed, but sometimes un-doing one
of those EFTs makes getting rid of
a wood tick seem easy.

--
Richard, really outta here

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6/14/2003, 5:54 PM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

BKD> I could lie and say that like many other wordslers I like to <prepay> all
BKD> my calls - but I won't. I tend to prepay bills whose amounts are
BKD> predictable - because of my travel schedule. I do not like to pay bills
BKD> late. I have had to pay more than my basic contract amount for my cell
BKD> phone only only once in the last year - I ran over about $ .44 one month.

Why not just have them autobill to your checking or creditcard
account?

dan

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>BKD> (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
>
>    Wait until you get a portable MP3 player, where you can have
>    hundreds of tunes in any order you want, not just those from one
>    CD.

I have an iPod - soon I will get it unpacked. I got it free with my recent
computer purchase. (I like my CDs.)

Bethany

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>Why not just have them autobill to your checking or creditcard
>account?

I am slowly shifting to autobill on everything - but I am not quite ready
to shift that one yet. And I could not tell you exactly why, Dan, except
that I like to have dealt with a company a year+ before I do that. It's
now been just a bit over a year since I switched to U.S.Cellular. I'll
probably switch soon.

I started paying bills a month in advance because of the way my KUB bill
was handled. Kyle is not exactly a control freak, but he does like to know
what is going on in his bldg, so he gets all the utility bills, then he
passes them on to those of us who pay them ourselves (he used to pay mine,
but I decided that I would save by paying mine myself, and I was right).

Anyway, Kyle would typically get the bills to us about one day before
they were due. And of course, there is a late charge associated with late
payment. I never had to pay the late charge, but it was close a couple of
times - a whle lot of talkin' sometimes went on. The early-pay did not
work with Kyle/KUB, becaause if I did not owe anything, he wouldn't give
me the bill. Finally, the month I received the bill the day after it was
due, an employee (who was probably tired of talking to me) and I figured
out that I should get a duplicate bill, and now I do. But when all that
was being negotiated, I started paying some bills a month ahead of time.

Bethany

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Wow! I just unpacked it. For this product, I will definitely read the
manual first. It's really snazzy. 10 gigs!

I am only just now learning to use OS X, so there will be a learning
curve.

Bethany

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steph wrote:

> Rita Chapman:
> = I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice
> = to have a little time on my hands for a change).  It is
> = absolutely to die for.  OMG.  I'll never buy it from the
> = Deli at Whole Foods again.
>
> Recipe!


Filling:
one onion, finely chopped, sauteed until translucent in a
little butter/oil

Combine with:

two bricks frozen spinach, thawed, squeeze the living
daylights out of it to get rid of water

handful of fresh dill chopped up very fine

4 eggs

6 T flour

1 package of feta, diced into small chunks

In 9x9 pan, lay down 6 leaves of phylo.

Brush each leaf with melted butter, starting on
the edges.

Smooth on a layer of spinach filling
Put down another 6 leaves of phylo
smooth another layer of filling
Finish with another 6 leaves of phylo
Bake about 30 minutes at 375 until top is golden


Eat warm.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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I don't know yet whether it runs on Macs as well as Windows machines, but
this sounds like fun:

"Holy Change Agent! Consultants Edit Out Jargon" by Jonathan D. Glater
June 14, 2003, New York Times

The article begins: "The people blamed for incentivizing companies to
repurpose, build mindshare and utilize change agents have taken aim at
their own lingo.
    Deloitte Consulting, an arm of the accounting firm Deloitte Touche
Tohmatsu, has developed a free software program, Bullfighter, that
identifies jargon in documents."

    The URL:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/14/technology/14BULL.html?th

    The Deloitte Consulting Web site:
http://www.dc.com/bullfighter/

Bethany

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human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> wrote:
Karen:
> Is ratatouille a soup?!

I've always considered that one of
those things like gumbo. It is, so
to speak, what it is.

Like cioppino or boo-ya-bez, see
what I'm saying?

Whatever. I'm off to eat greasy
chow mein, yeah, sold by the pound.

--
Richard so long, Mikey

I always think of it as thicker than a gumbo, even.  But either one can be thickened to suit.  I only fixed ratatouille once, and it was not a huge hit around here, whereas seafood gumbo is a real favorite.



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>     Wait until you get a portable MP3 player, where you can have
>     hundreds of tunes in any order you want, not just those from one
>     CD.
>
> dan

In April I bought myself a Cowon iAudio CW200 -
http://www.jetaudio.com/products/iaudio/cw200/ - and I love it. I record all
my mp3's at 160 kbps, 192 for classical, and I can fit about 60 tracks on
it. I really enjoy it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> in%"words-l@listserv.ug.edu"

You old VAXer!

> Looking forward to keeping in touch, and already feeling like I'm "home",
>
> Matt

Welcome back, Matt.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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=
= 1 package of feta, diced into small chunks
=

How much does one package of feta weigh?

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
=
= >the newest vehicular predator:
= >>CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car
= >
= >Great.  Another cage-racer with
= >another distraction.
=
= I take it you never turn your car radio on.
=
= Bethany

You take it he has a car.

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= Today, I purchased my first CD Walkman - mostly to use in my car with the
= handy little cassette adaptor that I also purchased. I can see how one
= might become addicted the the WALkman + headset.
=
= (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
=
= Bethany

Is there any particular reason for this comment?

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, steph wrote:

>= (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
>=
>= Bethany
>
>Is there any particular reason for this comment?

LOL!

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
=
= >= (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
= >=
= >= Bethany
= >
= >Is there any particular reason for this comment?
=
= LOL!
=
= Bethany

What's so funny?  Is there a reason you are being nasty, which is
how I interpret your card comment, and then when I ask you about
the comment, you start rolling in laughter?

I'm sorry you don't understand the financial gain to Natalie
and the minimal increased work she has to do to realize this
gain.  Aside from a one time cost for the phone, she has just met
all of her mobile phone needs for the price of about $9/month.

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steph wrote:

> =
> = 1 package of feta, diced into small chunks
> =
>
> How much does one package of feta weigh?


        Shoot.  I just threw them away from my morning baking frenzy
for the Father's Day  brunch.  Um, about a half pound I
think.  The feta shouldn't overwhelm the spinach, but it
should be a generous marbling.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:52 AM 6/15/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
       Shoot.  I just threw them away from my morning baking frenzy
>for the Father's Day  brunch.  Um, about a half pound I
>think.

Probably no more than that.  Most packages that I see in the stores are 6 oz.

cwv

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> http://tinyurl.com/ectd


Next . . . Israel and Palestine.

       - D. M.

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-> > =
> > = 1 package of feta, diced into small chunks
> > =
> >
> > How much does one package of feta weigh?
>
>
>         Shoot.  I just threw them away from my morning baking frenzy
> for the Father's Day  brunch.  Um, about a half pound I
> think.  The feta shouldn't overwhelm the spinach, but it
> should be a generous marbling.
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>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman


Could this recipe be put together and then
frozen for future use?

           - D. M.

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Just caught a little of General Wesley Clark with Tim
Russert on Meet the Press.  Says he may run for
president on the Democratic ticket.

I wish Alyce were here so I could ask what she would
think of that.

There's a site .. DraftWesleyClark.com (I think).
Didn't realize he's from Little Rock.  That's a mark
against him, maybe.  :-)

Surely Natalie will return to give me her opinion on this.

                    - D. M.

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At 09:07 AM 6/15/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
> > http://tinyurl.com/ectd
>
>
>Next . . . Israel and Palestine.

Let's hope it doesn't take another 130 years...

cwv

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> Just caught a little of General Wesley Clark with Tim
> Russert on Meet the Press.  Says he may run for
> president on the Democratic ticket.

> I wish Alyce were here so I could ask what she would
> think of that.

I can't speak for Alyce or Natalie, but I think he's articulate, at
least--I find that an enormous improvement. He can speak in
paragraphs that make sense.

> There's a site .. DraftWesleyClark.com (I think).
> Didn't realize he's from Little Rock.  That's a mark
> against him, maybe.  :-)

I don't think so.

> Surely Natalie will return to give me her opinion on this.

Why? I can't listen to the whole thing, but he hasn't said anything
that really speaks to me.

Karen

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> > Surely Natalie will return to give me her opinion on this.
>
> Why? I can't listen to the whole thing, but he hasn't said anything
> that really speaks to me.
>
> Karen

Because she already has her candidate picked
(so far), and I wondered if she would consider
the general.

                      - D. M.

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, steph wrote:

>What's so funny?  Is there a reason you are being nasty, which is
>how I interpret your card comment, and then when I ask you about
>the comment, you start rolling in laughter?
>
>I'm sorry you don't understand the financial gain to Natalie
>and the minimal increased work she has to do to realize this
>gain.  Aside from a one time cost for the phone, she has just met
>all of her mobile phone needs for the price of about $9/month.

As is often the case here and on other email lists, I don't think that
what you "heard" is what I "said". I.e. you inferred my
communicative intention from  minimal signals - and it happens that your
inference does not at all match my intention.

You asked initially why I said that I did not need a card to use my new CD
Walkman. Clearly, in the context of recent discussion, I was continuing my
mild rant against having to have a useful item AND also a <card> to carry
around with it. I hate grocery store cards, phone cards, etc. And I am
certain that the <services> they provide can be provided in some way
that does not require a consumer/customer to carry around yet another
<card>. Since I thought that context made clear what I was doing, I
assumed that your question was a joking question. I found it amusing.

I am sorry that you do not understand that I understand the "financial
gain" to Natalie etc. At no point have I suggested that she should not
have that financial gain. What I have suggested is that <card> companies
are not serving customers well.

Bethany

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Doris Markland wrote:

> -> > =
>
>>>= 1 package of feta, diced into small chunks
>>>=
>>>
>>>How much does one package of feta weigh?
>>>
>>
>>        Shoot.  I just threw them away from my morning baking frenzy
>>for the Father's Day  brunch.  Um, about a half pound I
>>think.  The feta shouldn't overwhelm the spinach, but it
>>should be a generous marbling.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
>
> Could this recipe be put together and then
> frozen for future use?


        Yes.  Freeze it before you bake it.




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> > Could this recipe be put together and then
> > frozen for future use?
>
>
>         Yes.  Freeze it before you bake it.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Thanks.  I'll make this for my veg daughter.

            - D. M.

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Bethany writes,

>What I have suggested is that <card> companies are not serving customers
>well.

You seem to be missing the point that some of those cards are degenerate,
and retain the <card> form factor as an icon of value more than anything else.

Really, Natalie is just buying an authorization number she passes to the
company when she buys a recharge <card>.  I have a Safeway Club <card>
somewhere, but I never use it because the swipe machine lets me punch in my
phone number in lieu of a <card>.

<Cards> like that are just tchotchkes for consumers who conflate value and
physicality.

(As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
physicality-based distribution chain.  I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

Pete

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>>Could this recipe be put together and then
>>>frozen for future use?
>>>
>>
>>        Yes.  Freeze it before you bake it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> Thanks.  I'll make this for my veg daughter.
>


        Oh, yes.  This is a very good veggie entree.  You can vary
the vegetables if you want to experiment with it, too.  I
think sliced carrots are a nice addition.

        One of the Nigerian families brought a big pan of fried
plantains to the breakfast this morning.  I haven't had that
in so long -- delicious.




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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Bethany writes,
>
>> What I have suggested is that <card> companies are not serving customers
>> well.
>
>
> You seem to be missing the point that some of those cards are degenerate,
> and retain the <card> form factor as an icon of value more than anything
> else.
>
> Really, Natalie is just buying an authorization number she passes to the
> company when she buys a recharge <card>.  I have a Safeway Club <card>
> somewhere, but I never use it because the swipe machine lets me punch in my
> phone number in lieu of a <card>.
>
> <Cards> like that are just tchotchkes for consumers who conflate value and
> physicality.
>
> (As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
> security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
> physicality-based distribution chain.  I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
> to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
> devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)



We just bought a CD burner, so I'm going to experiment with
making my own CD's (I especially want to make an REM mix) --
plus the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame has some really fun
lesson plans on it, and I can make the CD's they call for.
I suppose I should just go to MP3, but I don't have the
energy to figure that out.




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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
=
= >What's so funny?  Is there a reason you are being nasty, which is
= >how I interpret your card comment, and then when I ask you about
= >the comment, you start rolling in laughter?
= >
= >I'm sorry you don't understand the financial gain to Natalie
= >and the minimal increased work she has to do to realize this
= >gain.  Aside from a one time cost for the phone, she has just met
= >all of her mobile phone needs for the price of about $9/month.
=
= As is often the case here and on other email lists, I don't think that
= what you "heard" is what I "said". I.e. you inferred my
= communicative intention from  minimal signals - and it happens that your
= inference does not at all match my intention.
=

I said:
= >= (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
= >=
= >= Bethany
= >
= >Is there any particular reason for this comment?

= You asked initially why I said that I did not need a card to use my new CD
= Walkman. Clearly, in the context of recent discussion, I was continuing my

No, I asked if there was a reason for the comment.  As far as I
can tell, there was no reason for the comment besides taunting
me.  That may not have been your intention, which is why I asked.

= mild rant against having to have a useful item AND also a <card> to carry
= around with it. I hate grocery store cards, phone cards, etc. And I am

That's because you keep missing the point that you don't have to
carry around the card.  It's a one time use thing, like a scratch
off lottery ticket.  You use the code on the card to load up the
phone.  It would be fine and good if they boys behind the cash
register just told you the number and scratched it off a list,
but then they'd have both your $10 and your phone minutes.  The
card is a secure method of delivering it to you.

= certain that the <services> they provide can be provided in some way
= that does not require a consumer/customer to carry around yet another
= <card>. Since I thought that context made clear what I was doing, I
= assumed that your question was a joking question. I found it amusing.
=
= I am sorry that you do not understand that I understand the "financial
= gain" to Natalie etc. At no point have I suggested that she should not
= have that financial gain. What I have suggested is that <card> companies
= are not serving customers well.
=
= Bethany

Ok.  I'm glad you understand that Nat is getting a better deal.

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>
>         One of the Nigerian families brought a big pan of fried
> plantains to the breakfast this morning.  I haven't had that
> in so long -- delicious.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I have enjoyed them when I'm in the Caribbean, but
tried to fix them here and they were awful.  I suppose
the plantains I bought were poor to start with, and
also maybe there's an art to cooking them.

                          - D. M.

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Just caught a little of General Wesley Clark with Tim
Russert on Meet the Press.  Says he may run for
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'Muss'be one Hell of a leadership vacuum in the democratic party.

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Subject: Re:      Re: CD Walkman - no card
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> We just bought a CD burner, so I'm going to experiment with
> making my own CD's (I especially want to make an REM mix) --
> plus the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame has some really fun
> lesson plans on it, and I can make the CD's they call for.
> I suppose I should just go to MP3, but I don't have the
> energy to figure that out.
-
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I've had one for a while but just last week got around to
installing the software and actually using it.  Piece of cake.
Copied some of my daughter's collection of Hawaiian
music.

I hope to put together a family history on CD and make
copies for family members.  Sometime.  Later.

           - D. M.

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>What I have suggested is that <card> companies are not serving customers
>>well.
>
>You seem to be missing the point that some of those cards are degenerate,
>and retain the <card> form factor as an icon of value more than anything else.

<Degenerate>? Small? Immoral? ???

If what you are saying is true - and I assume that is it - then why are
we not talking about numbers instead of cards?

In Knoxville, the supermarkets still require physical evidence of
number-dom - a card or in some cases a small item to put on a keychain.

><Cards> like that are just tchotchkes for consumers who conflate value and
>physicality.

Ah.

>(As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
>security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
>physicality-based distribution chain.  I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
>to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
>devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

You are, I believe, ahead of the curve here.

Thanks,
Bethany

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Bethany writes,

><Degenerate>? Small? Immoral? ???

Having declined in function from an ancestral or former state.

>If what you are saying is true - and I assume that is it - then why are
>we not talking about numbers instead of cards?

The communication was already here, just not evenly distributed.

>In Knoxville, the supermarkets still require physical evidence of
>number-dom - a card or in some cases a small item to put on a keychain.

Ick.  At supermarkets around here like that, the cashier will swipe a
generic card if you don't have one (which more or less defeats the purpose
of the exercise, of course).

>You are, I believe, ahead of the curve here.

Ahead of one, and far behind another -- the millions of people who dispense
with tchotchkes and download music, even if the distributors aren't smart
enough to serve them properly.

Pete

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, steph wrote:

>= You asked initially why I said that I did not need a card to use my new CD
>= Walkman. Clearly, in the context of recent discussion, I was continuing my
>
>No, I asked if there was a reason for the comment.  As far as I
>can tell, there was no reason for the comment besides taunting
>me.  That may not have been your intention, which is why I asked.

As I said ... I do not know why you have personalized this. I thought the
issue was Natalie's. I did not have you in mind at all.

Bethany

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>Ick.  At supermarkets around here like that, the cashier will swipe a
>generic card if you don't have one (which more or less defeats the purpose
>of the exercise, of course).

Actually, when I finally returned to Kroger's, I got my card without
having to register. I complained about having to pay more than other
people (with <cards>), and the cashier just handed me one. I
occasionally hand mine to someone ahead of me in line who has no card.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-15 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > = >= (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
= > = >
= > = >Is there any particular reason for this comment?
= > =
= > = LOL!
= >
= > What's so funny?  Is there a reason you are being nasty, which is
= > how I interpret your card comment, and then when I ask you about
= > the comment, you start rolling in laughter?
=
= Oh my ASS

needs pinching

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, steph wrote:
=
= >= You asked initially why I said that I did not need a card to use my new CD
= >= Walkman. Clearly, in the context of recent discussion, I was continuing my
= >
= >No, I asked if there was a reason for the comment.  As far as I
= >can tell, there was no reason for the comment besides taunting
= >me.  That may not have been your intention, which is why I asked.
=
= As I said ... I do not know why you have personalized this. I thought the
= issue was Natalie's. I did not have you in mind at all.
=
= Bethany

Nevermind.

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02003-06-15 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = >= (I did not have to purchase a <card> to use with it.)
> = >
> = >Is there any particular reason for this comment?
> =
> = LOL!
>
> What's so funny?  Is there a reason you are being nasty, which is
> how I interpret your card comment, and then when I ask you about
> the comment, you start rolling in laughter?

Oh my ASS

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02003-06-15 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> <Cards> like that are just tchotchkes for consumers who conflate value
> and physicality.

We need to examine this ... specifically the assumption that they
are for the *benefit* of people who are supposedly uncomfortable
with non-physical "value". Although the immediate reason for their
being around is probably just inertia--what's the real meaning of
holding on to it? It's resistance against a more natural notion
of the value of (perfectly) reproducible information.

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02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >>(As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
> >>security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
> >>physicality-based distribution chain.  I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
> >>to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
> >>devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)
>
> > You are, I believe, ahead of the curve here.
>
> I think you are behind.

This "thinking" is so bogus, man ... Why can't you just BE?

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>>(As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
>>security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
>>physicality-based distribution chain.  I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
>>to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
>>devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

> You are, I believe, ahead of the curve here.

I think you are behind.

Karen

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> I have enjoyed them when I'm in the Caribbean, but
> tried to fix them here and they were awful.  I suppose
> the plantains I bought were poor to start with, and
> also maybe there's an art to cooking them.

I think they are dead easy to make; the hardest part is waiting till
they get ripe enough, which means black and practically rotten-looking
on the outside.

Karen

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Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
Bethany writes,

>What I have suggested is that companies are not serving customers
>well.

You seem to be missing the point that some of those cards are degenerate,
and retain the form factor as an icon of value more than anything else.

Really, Natalie is just buying an authorization number she passes to the
company when she buys a recharge . I have a Safeway Club
somewhere, but I never use it because the swipe machine lets me punch in my
phone number in lieu of a .

like that are just tchotchkes for consumers who conflate value and
physicality.

(As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
physicality-based distribution chain. I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

Pete

Isn't this rather complicated?  I mean, if you don't listen to them, why buy them?



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On Sunday, June 15, 2003,
> Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> (As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
> security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
> physicality-based distribution chain. I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
> to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
> devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

Then Lynn wrote:
> Isn't this rather complicated?  I mean, if you don't listen to them, why buy them?

"upload the data" means he listens to the music, but by means other
than playing the CD. He buys them as proof of ownership, that he's
paid his fees to the copyright owners.

Karen

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Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
On Sunday, June 15, 2003,
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
> (As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
> security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
> physicality-based distribution chain. I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
> to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
> devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

Then Lynn wrote:
> Isn't this rather complicated? I mean, if you don't listen to them, why buy them?

"upload the data" means he listens to the music, but by means other
than playing the CD. He buys them as proof of ownership, that he's
paid his fees to the copyright owners.

Karen

I know all of you are asking yourselves, "Sheesh, was I ever that dumb?"  If you are intellectually honest, the answer will come back resoundingly, "You were, Oscar.  You were."



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Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.

And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.

Bethany

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.

> And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.

You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.

Karen

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02003-06-15 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I know all of you are asking yourselves, "Sheesh, was I ever that dumb?"
> If you are intellectually honest, the answer will come back resoundingly,
> "You were, Oscar.  You were."

Isn't this rather complicated? I mean, if you aren't Oscar,
why tell you?

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02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.
>
> > And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
>
> You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.

Nobody compliments me like this. But not because they aren't
butt-kissers. It's just that they don't realize this is a
compliment.

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02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> "upload the data" means he listens to the music, but by means
> other than playing the CD.

With this, let us acknowledge that the words "upload" and "download"
have reached the ends of their short lives. They were also nasty and
brutish, so there is no need to mourn. Let's think of a good-sounding
word, or at least settle on "transfer" or "cast" or something, and
resolve to use it.

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on plantains
>
> I think they are dead easy to make; the hardest part is waiting till
> they get ripe enough, which means black and practically rotten-looking
> on the outside.
>
> Karen

Aha.  I'll bet that was my problem.  They weren't
ripe enough.

           - D. M.

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Pete:

>Ahead of one, and far behind another -- the millions of people who dispense
>with tchotchkes and download music, even if the distributors aren't smart
>enough to serve them properly.

Welcome to EMusic.com. There's a monthly service fee with
unlimited downloading. I don't have it yet but like the idea.
I'm sick of buying physical CDs.

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> on plantains
>>
>> I think they are dead easy to make; the hardest part is waiting till
>> they get ripe enough, which means black and practically rotten-looking
>> on the outside.
>>
>> Karen

> Aha.  I'll bet that was my problem.  They weren't
> ripe enough.

In which case it's easy to make ucky planatains. Ligniere and I made
them a couple of times with sesame seeds--once as a side dish and once
as part of a green salad. It was very good both times. I almost bought
him one today--I saw really fat ones from Hawaii at the store.

Karen,
making ratatouille

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.

> Thank you, Karen.

You're welcome, Bethany. Any time.

Karen

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.

Thank you, Karen.

Bethany

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. . . to all the dads.

You know who you are.

          - D. M.

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>You're welcome, Bethany. Any time.

I'll keep that in mind!

Bethany

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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>>You're welcome, Bethany. Any time.

> I'll keep that in mind!

Good for you.

Karen

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I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.

"Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
peace there."

Karen

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>Good for you.

Likewise, I'm sure!

Bethany

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02003-06-15 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> . . . to all the dads.
>
> You know who you are.

You know too little this accursed race

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02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Peace is the ultimate challenge

This is making me VERY tense ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>
>>Peace is the ultimate challenge
>>
>
> This is making me VERY tense ...
>
        Do you need a hug?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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In a message dated 6/15/2003 2:41:01 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

>And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
>
>Bethany
>
Awww geesh, just when I got back on! But seriously, it did get kinda lonely
without all you good people to talk to!
I'll never know exactly what happened to make you all disappear, but it did,
anyway.
Hopefully none of you resent me getting back on; I promise I won't cause any
problems. Only, when I speak up. and you disagree, it's just because that's
me. I'm way too old by now to change, but I never resent other folks being
different, and stating THEIR opinions.
I've been told about Alyce's parting with this life. As you probably know I
was aquainted with her before you all, so I was sad, but also felt relief for
her being out of her misery. I'm sure she's happier where she's now. I guess
that probably makes me the oldest member of this group, as I was 2 years her
junior.
We were very much alike in our thinking, except for her problem with the
large chainstores! G
To finish this, please be kind, and allow me back on. Even if some of you
don't quite welcome my return, remember this; there should be another voice in
every community, shouldn't there be?
Hopefully, Theo

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02003-06-15 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> all you good people

Name three.

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02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >
> >>Peace is the ultimate challenge
> >
> >This is making me VERY tense ...
>
>        Do you need a hug?

Piss off, ice queen!

I mean, "yes"

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Peace is the ultimate challenge
>>>>
>>>This is making me VERY tense ...
>>>
>>       Do you need a hug?
>>
>
> Piss off, ice queen!
>
> I mean, "yes"


        You'll have to wait until I'm drunk.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>Peace is the ultimate challenge
> >>>>
> >>>This is making me VERY tense ...
> >>>
> >>      Do you need a hug?
> >
> >Piss off, ice queen!
> >
> >I mean, "yes"
>
>
>        You'll have to wait until I'm drunk.

OK, 5 minutes are up ...

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Welcome back, Theo!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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> 02003-06-15 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> > . . . to all the dads.
> >
> > You know who you are.
>
> You know too little this accursed race

Oh.  My word.

    - D. M.

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In a message dated 6/15/2003 5:28:35 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

> all you good people
>
>Name three.
>
You're one person I'm not bothering with, so *you* count them, if you're able
to, that is... Theo

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On Saturday, June 14, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Agreed, but sometimes un-doing one
> of those EFTs makes getting rid of
> a wood tick seem easy.

I had a Bad Experience with CheckFree when I still lived in
Missouri--the summer of Tienan Men. Anyway, since then, I don't
schedule them more than one month at a time. And now that I don't hae
an income, I don't schedule anything.

Karen

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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Last August, after returning from a retreat at the Abbey of Gethsemani, I
wrote:

> Now I would like to walk down the silent hall to the library, turn the
> light on over my favorite table (few others ever read at that table at
> night - probably they don't know where the light is), sit, unpack my bag
> of books, take out one for tonight - probably _Lost Icons_, which I have
> not finished with, and read, pausing to reflect, to write, just to sit in
> joyful contemplation of the place I am in, knowing that before too long, I
> will pack up my books and walk back up the silent hall to my room, where
> in blessed silence I shall prepare for sleep, knowing also that during the
> night I will hear the bells and, at 3:15 a.m., probably the distant
> chanting.

Tonight, still a bit frantic with preparation, learning OS X, configuring
a new computer, etc., I look forward to silence and the sense of quiet I
always experience at the Abbey as soon as I arrive tomorrow. The book I
shall read first - I've barely started it - is _The New Testament and the
People of God_ (Vol. I of Christian Origins and the Question of God), by
N. T. Wright. I might even finish it. Volumes 2 and 3 await (_Jesus and
the Victory of God_ and _The Resurrection of the Son of God)). (And Wright
has promised at least 2 more volumes.)

In yesterday's NYTimes, I read a compelling review of _Beyond Belief: The
Secret Gospel of Thomas_ by Elaine Pagels. It is a study of one of the
Gnostic gospels, early Christian texts written around the time of the New
Testament and officially regarded as heretical.

I will also take today's NYTimes and a few issues of the WSJ - and my
newly-packed exercise bag. And, for the first time, maybe a computer. (But
not for internet use.)

There are few places where I feel as much at home as in that Trappist
Monastery. God moves in very mysterious ways ... if you have not seen the
webpages, you might want to look at monks.org.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo Groothof" <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM>
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> In a message dated 6/15/2003 2:41:01 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:
>
> >And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
> >
> >Bethany
> >
> Awww geesh, just when I got back on! But seriously, it did get kinda
lonely
> without all you good people to talk to!
> I'll never know exactly what happened to make you all disappear, but it
did,
> anyway.
> Hopefully none of you resent me getting back on; I promise I won't cause
any
> problems. Only, when I speak up. and you disagree, it's just because
that's
> me. I'm way too old by now to change, but I never resent other folks being
> different, and stating THEIR opinions.
> I've been told about Alyce's parting with this life. As you probably know
I
> was aquainted with her before you all, so I was sad, but also felt relief
for
> her being out of her misery. I'm sure she's happier where she's now. I
guess
> that probably makes me the oldest member of this group, as I was 2 years
her
> junior.
> We were very much alike in our thinking, except for her problem with the
> large chainstores! G
> To finish this, please be kind, and allow me back on. Even if some of you
> don't quite welcome my return, remember this; there should be another
voice in
> every community, shouldn't there be?
> Hopefully, Theo
>

Welcome back!

peace,


alec

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In a message dated 6/15/2003 7:32:37 PM, plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:

>Welcome back!
>
>
>
>peace,
>
>
Thanks Alec, can definitely use some peace...
Not that life has been very bad, but it's just been no picnic in my condition
you understand I'm sure. Theo

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Peace is the ultimate challenge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>This is making me VERY tense ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Do you need a hug?
>>>>
>>>Piss off, ice queen!
>>>
>>>I mean, "yes"
>>>
>>
>>       You'll have to wait until I'm drunk.
>>
>
> OK, 5 minutes are up ...


        OK, give me big smoochins, snookums, yum yum!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay:
= I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
=
= "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
= which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
= our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
= create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
= within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
= peace there."

I much prefer _Tomato Blessing and Radish Teachings_ by Edward Espe Brown.
But there's nothing short and snappy to quote, because it's not
that kind of book.

Also, though I do get the paragraph above, I hate the way it's
written.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
= > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
= > > Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.
= >
= > > And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
= >
= > You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.
=
= Nobody compliments me like this. But not because they aren't
= butt-kissers. It's just that they don't realize this is a
= compliment.

Tushar, you excel at missing the point of conversations, but for
you, this would be a compliment, and we all know it.  Besides, we
generally like it when you lead us down the path of diversion.

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6/15/2003, 11:07 AM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

PK> (As CDs are tchotchkes for music distribution companies who conflate
PK> security and physicality, and who need to prop up an old-fashioned
PK> physicality-based distribution chain.  I still buy CDs, but I don't listen
PK> to them -- I upload the data to my server and distribute it to my listening
PK> devices from there, and then store the CDs as proof of ownership.)

      I do exactly the same.  I listen to them on one computer or
      another, on portable MP3 player, or on big TV via the TiVo from
      the server.

dan

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6/15/2003, 2:06 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:


LW> Isn't this rather complicated?  I mean, if you don't listen to them, why buy them?

  Because you listen to the music which is stored on the server, in
  the time and place of your choice, without having to mess with the
  damn plastic disk.  And you can play whatever tunes you want in
  whatever order you want, not that on the disk.  And the tunes can be
  from ANY of your CDs.

dan

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6/15/2003, 3:45 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:


RM> Welcome to EMusic.com. There's a monthly service fee with
RM> unlimited downloading. I don't have it yet but like the idea.
RM> I'm sick of buying physical CDs.

     Aren't they still limited to just particular music publishers?
     Now if someone came up with one that covered them all, or damn
     near all.....

dan

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6/15/2003, 4:50 PM, Theo Groothof wrote:

TG> To finish this, please be kind, and allow me back on. Even if some of you
TG> don't quite welcome my return, remember this; there should be another voice in
TG> every community, shouldn't there be?
TG> Hopefully, Theo

     Welcome back, Theo.

dan

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In a message dated 6/15/2003 10:51:35 PM, dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

>  Welcome back, Theo.

Thank you Dan. I'm very happy to be back. Sometimes you're not really aware
of the things that cause pleasure, until you have to do without them. I suspect
that my grandson goofing with this machine that may have played a part in it.
He took off with 2 important system disks too. grrrrr
I trusted him not to damage my stuff because he loved playing around with it.
But, alas. He left his mom and me, and I have no idea what he's been up to. I
did get phonecalls here in Idaho from some authorities in new Mexico, so... I
fear the worst.
But I have to put my worries aside. Afterall, I cannot be expected to look
after *all* the family members. But old habits are hard to put aside, right?
Well, I'm quitting. See if I care......... , oh
dammit. It didn't work afterall. Theo

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02003-06-15 | Theo Groothof <Dutchessg1@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 6/15/2003 5:28:35 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> > all you good people
> >
> >Name three.
> >
> You're one person I'm not bothering with

:(((((((((

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02003-06-16 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> = > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> = > > Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.
> = >
> = > > And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
> = >
> = > You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.
> =
> = Nobody compliments me like this. But not because they aren't
> = butt-kissers. It's just that they don't realize this is a
> = compliment.
>
> Tushar, you excel at missing the point of conversations, but for
> you, this would be a compliment, and we all know it.  Besides, we
> generally like it when you lead us down the path of diversion.

:))))))))))))

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21:54 12.06.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>Espen S. Ore:
>= where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks time)
>
>Wow.  Espen, I don't think we knew this!

She looked great - although shye wa leaning backwards when she walked to keep in balance. The twins are also great and there will be som gifs as soon as I have the film developed.

Espen

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02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
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> >02003-06-15 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >
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> >>>>>02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
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> >>>>>>Peace is the ultimate challenge
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>This is making me VERY tense ...
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> >>>>>
> >>>>    Do you need a hug?
> >>>>
> >>>Piss off, ice queen!
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> >>      You'll have to wait until I'm drunk.
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15:52 13.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Betty wrote:
>
>> > > I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.
>> >
>> >I know THAT. Sheesh
>>
>> In Berkeley it's ombudsPERSON.
>
>"Ombudsman" must be a direct loan, and probably quite recent, from
>Swedish. -- Yes: 1950s, "legal representative" (< Oxford Concise D.).
>That it has been borrowed from Swedish at all was perhaps because of an
>implication of  some mentality/ ideological background it has got,
>wasn't it? For were it simply for the *notion* of "legal representative"
>you'd have found a word from English words already there.
>
>Espen can certainly explain the morphology of it -- prefix om-, etc. --
>and the meanings of all the morphemes. I bet you pronounce it
>differently from Swedish which is perhaps why you dislike it.

The "-mann" part has been removed in Norway (yes, we borrowed the word from Swedish as well), so now we have a lot of "ombud" (same form in plural and singular).

Espen

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16:01 13.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Rashmi Murthy wrote:
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>> Espen S. Ore:
>>
>> >  where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks
>> time)
>>
>> Ohmigawd! Congratulations. I miss the Marianne stories.
>
>Yes. I think of some of them sometimes when I have some troubles with my
>own young people, and try to think it is all normal. However, I guess Espen
>may be glad that there are not new stories to tell -- I mean the kind that
>made him worry. I hasten to add: I never doubted Marianne's great.

She is great and she is looking very much forward to the child.

Espen

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Bergen is a very nice place to visit as a tourist. It also turned out that I couldn't walk in the streets around the University area without meeting old friends - the center of Bergen is pretty small. On our way to a movie (Matrix reloaded) the Bergen rain hit us but in Bergen there are umrella automats: put in your Visa card, have $ 9 withdrawn from your accound, and presto: there is a small umbrella.

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14:51 13.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Espen Ore wrote:
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>> >> :-)
>>
>> = where I will see my daughter (who is expecting a girl in three weeks
>> time)
>>
>> Wow.  Espen, I don't think we knew this!
>
>Was the sleeping wagon as luxurious as you expected?

Not very luxurious but there was wine available in the buffet car /I had to pay for that) and next morning there was a smorgasbord kind of breakfast (included) at a hotel by the train station in Bergen.

Espen

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around 4 i woke up and noticed a guy walking past with a big, multicolored-
striped towel on his head.  i thought nothing of it, because we live near the
pool, and went back to sleep.  well, i got up at 5, washed my hair, and then
heard sweetie meowing furiously from my room.  i looked out the window
and saw the same guy (with the same towel  on his head) without any
pants on.  i yelled at him to go away, he fled, and then i called the
apartment complex office to report him.

Evelyn Duncan
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"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
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On Sunday, June 15, 2003, steph wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
> =
> = "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> = which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
> = our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> = create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> = within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
> = peace there."

> I much prefer _Tomato Blessing and Radish Teachings_ by Edward Espe Brown.
> But there's nothing short and snappy to quote, because it's not
> that kind of book.

> Also, though I do get the paragraph above, I hate the way it's
> written.

Can you give me an example of what you hate about the way it's
written.

Karen

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16:52 14.06.2003 +0200 skrev steph:

>(of course in Europe, no one pays for incoming calls, sneer
>sneer)

Except for when I am abroad with my phone - then I pay for the international part of the call going out of Norway.

Espen

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12:12 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice
>to have a little time on my hands for a change).  It is
>absolutely to die for.  OMG.  I'll never buy it from the
>Deli at Whole Foods again.



 Recipe?

Espen

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On Monday, June 16, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> 15:52 13.06.2003 +0300 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>>Betty wrote:
>>
>>> > > I think it's a PC backformation from 'ombudsman'.
>>> >
>>> >I know THAT. Sheesh
>>>
>>> In Berkeley it's ombudsPERSON.
>>
>>"Ombudsman" must be a direct loan, and probably quite recent, from
>>Swedish. -- Yes: 1950s, "legal representative" (< Oxford Concise D.).
>>That it has been borrowed from Swedish at all was perhaps because of an
>>implication of  some mentality/ ideological background it has got,
>>wasn't it? For were it simply for the *notion* of "legal representative"
>>you'd have found a word from English words already there.
>>
>>Espen can certainly explain the morphology of it -- prefix om-, etc. --
>>and the meanings of all the morphemes. I bet you pronounce it
>>differently from Swedish which is perhaps why you dislike it.

> The "-mann" part has been removed in Norway (yes, we borrowed the word from Swedish as well), so now we have a lot of "ombud" (same form in plural and singular).

So Dell is Swedish. I knew it!

Karen

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20:18 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:

>6 T flour

What are 6 T flour?

Espen

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On Monday, June 16, 2003, Espen Ore wrote:
> 20:18 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:

>>6 T flour

> What are 6 T flour?

6 tablespoons of flour.

Karen

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T is tablespoon
t is teaspoon

in American recipes. (Unlike French recipes, where t is sometimes
'cup'.)

Karen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 20:18 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>
>>6 T flour
>>
>
> What are 6 T flour?


Tablespoons.  About a small handful.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>
> In yesterday's NYTimes, I read a compelling review of _Beyond Belief:
The
> Secret Gospel of Thomas_ by Elaine Pagels. It is a study of one of the
> Gnostic gospels, early Christian texts written around the time of the
New
> Testament and officially regarded as heretical.
>  Bethany

I believe I looked into this years ago and as I remember it
I was disappointed in finding nothing unusual in it.

I hope your retreat brings the peace and pleasure you
are looking forward to.

                                            - D. M.

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> 16:52 14.06.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>
> >(of course in Europe, no one pays for incoming calls, sneer
> >sneer)

    Golly, so the GMA is in Europe???  Well, you learn something new every day!

JMW, who also notes the lack of umbrella dispensers in the desert

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> > I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
> >
> > "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> > which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
> > our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> > within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
> > peace there."
> >
> > Karen

    Oh, SPEW!  "Hey, lady!  Quit waving that burnin' hay around the
percolator and just bring me some goddam coffee, okay?"

> Well, I used an untried recipe from an old cookbook.
> The dough stuck to the board.  In trying to get the damn
> stuff rolled out I kept adding flour and somehow I had
> flour all over that kitchen, a fine dust falling onto the
> linoleum floor so that my footing kept slipping.
>
> So by the time I got the cookies into the oven it took me
> forever to clean up the cupboard and the floor and all
> the dishes I had used.  But finally I delivered a
> large raisin cookie to Gene.  He tasted it and said "What
> is this?  Blueberries?"  Even after I told him it was his
> mother's special raisin cookie I made special just for him, he
> said "I don't remember any raisin cookies."
>
> There are days like that.
>
>               - D. M.

    Now THIS is funny!  Thank you, Doris!  I don't suppose you made a
video, did you?  8-)

JMW

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6/16/2003, 12:15 AM, Theo Groothof wrote:

TG> He left his mom and me, and I have no idea what he's been up to. I
TG> did get phonecalls here in Idaho from some authorities in new Mexico, so... I
TG> fear the worst.

Theo, I thought you were in Colorado?  Are you now in Idaho?  If so,
where?  I'm in Boise.


dan

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> I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
>
> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
> our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
> peace there."
>
> Karen

I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.
As a father's day surprise I decided to make some cookies
that Gene's mother used to make for him years ago . . .
filled raisin cookies.  You make a sugar cookie dough which
you roll out and cut into circles.  In the middle of a circle you
put a spoonfull of raisin filling (which you have prepared by
grinding raisins and cooking them with sugar/water).  Then
you place another circle on top and crimp the edges.

Well, I used an untried recipe from an old cookbook.
The dough stuck to the board.  In trying to get the damn
stuff rolled out I kept adding flour and somehow I had
flour all over that kitchen, a fine dust falling onto the
linoleum floor so that my footing kept slipping.

So by the time I got the cookies into the oven it took me
forever to clean up the cupboard and the floor and all
the dishes I had used.  But finally I delivered a
large raisin cookie to Gene.  He tasted it and said "What
is this?  Blueberries?"  Even after I told him it was his
mother's special raisin cookie I made special just for him, he
said "I don't remember any raisin cookies."

There are days like that.

              - D. M.

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> T is tablespoon
> t is teaspoon
>
> in American recipes. (Unlike French recipes, where t is sometimes
> 'cup'.)
>
> Karen

it doesn't mean cup it means tasse

:-)

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>> T is tablespoon
>> t is teaspoon
>>
>> in American recipes. (Unlike French recipes, where t is sometimes
>> 'cup'.)
>>
>> Karen
>
> it doesn't mean cup it means tasse
>
> :-)

Which means???? I was just cutting out the middleman.

Karen

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fyi...  This from a friend & colleague, Claudia Cordeiro, who is into horses and carts/carriages.  To better handle those pesky deer flies... check this out:

Applying this Florida educator's ideas:
http://extlab7.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/deerfly.htm

Claudia uses a circus rig with this stuff:
http://tanglefoot.com/products/ttcoating.htm

End product...
ftp://Wordslur:FullMoon$@ftp.mis.uri.edu/temp/arielflything.jpg


I'm going to rig something like this on my garden tractor.  The deer flies get nasty around here...

;-)  'Alan

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Karen:
> You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.

She can't hear you.  She's got those
fucking earphones on.

--
Richard       should have said "omerta" instead, Frank

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>> I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
>>
>> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
>> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
>> our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
>> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
>> within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
>> peace there."
>>
>> Karen
>
> I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.

I don't know if you just misread this passage or if you're deliberately
picking out words for your own use, but please note that there is nothing
in this passage about cooking bringing peace.

Karen

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> Karen Kay:
> = On Sunday, June 15, 2003, steph wrote:
> = > Karen Kay:
> = > = I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet
> Kofalk. = > =
> = > = "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> = > = which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
> do = > = our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge
> to = > = create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
> power = > = within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
> reconnect with = > = peace there."
> =
> = > I much prefer _Tomato Blessing and Radish Teachings_ by Edward Espe
> Brown. = > But there's nothing short and snappy to quote, because it's
> not = > that kind of book.
> =
> = > Also, though I do get the paragraph above, I hate the way it's = >
> written.
> =
> = Can you give me an example of what you hate about the way it's
> = written.
>
> Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".

Ah, then we merely have different values.

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= On Sunday, June 15, 2003, steph wrote:
= > Karen Kay:
= > = I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
= > =
= > = "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
= > = which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
= > = our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
= > = create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
= > = within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
= > = peace there."
=
= > I much prefer _Tomato Blessing and Radish Teachings_ by Edward Espe Brown.
= > But there's nothing short and snappy to quote, because it's not
= > that kind of book.
=
= > Also, though I do get the paragraph above, I hate the way it's
= > written.
=
= Can you give me an example of what you hate about the way it's
= written.

Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".

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Espen Ore:
= 16:52 14.06.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
=
= >(of course in Europe, no one pays for incoming calls, sneer
= >sneer)
=
= Except for when I am abroad with my phone - then I pay for the international part of the call going out of Norway.
=
= Espen

Yes.  I forgot.  It's the same here.

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At 04:13 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= Can you give me an example of what you hate about the way it's
>= written.
>
>Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".

My first thought was:  Kahlil Gibhran meets a non-stick pan.

cwv

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 "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
  which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
 do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge
 to create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
 power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
 reconnect with  peace there."

= > Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".
=
= Ah, then we merely have different values.

Don't you just want to edit it?

Lemme give it a shot:


Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which we
can grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.

The first one just sets my teeth on edge.  Mine still seems
stilted, but it doesn't quite bang the same way, even though in
the end I've hardly cut any of the "peaces".

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clyde w. voigtlander:
= At 04:13 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
= >= Can you give me an example of what you hate about the way it's
= >= written.
= >
= >Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".
=
= My first thought was:  Kahlil Gibhran meets a non-stick pan.
=
= cwv

:-)

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>  "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
>   which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
>  do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
>  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
>  reconnect with  peace there."
>
> = > Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".
> =
> = Ah, then we merely have different values.
>
> Don't you just want to edit it?

No.

> Lemme give it a shot:
>
>
> Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which we
> can grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
> of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
> which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
> and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
> peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.
>
> The first one just sets my teeth on edge.  Mine still seems
> stilted, but it doesn't quite bang the same way, even though in
> the end I've hardly cut any of the "peaces".

Sorry, but I think your version sucks. You've removed the heart of what I
liked about it. I particularly like the last sentence of the quotation.

Karen

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> = > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
> = >  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
> = >  reconnect with  peace there."
>
> Ok, it's all down to taste.  What/why do you like the last
> sentence so much?

Because it expresses perfectly something that I feel very strongly.

> I like substituting with anger! :)

Either one works.

Karen

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= > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
= >  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
= >  reconnect with  peace there."

Ok, it's all down to taste.  What/why do you like the last
sentence so much?

I like substituting with anger! :)

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>Was the sleeping wagon as luxurious as you expected?


>Not very luxurious but there was wine available in the buffet car /I had to
pay for that) and next morning there was a smorgasbord kind of breakfast
(included) at a hotel by the train station in Bergen.


>Espen

We were quite pleased with our deluxe sleeper on The City of New Orleans on
our Christmas trip to NO. Meals were included; wine was not. There's also an
observation car/lounge with a glass ceiling -- in this case, we mostly
viewed the backsides of Mississippi towns on the way down. There is also
video viewing in the lounge (at that time "Scooby Doo" was showing, so it
was perfect for Master Carl while the adults enjoyed adult beverages. I'd do
the trip again.

As far as Eurotrains, I've done the gamut of the Eurail/Britrail thing a few
times; however, I once booked a deluxe sleeper on Britrail from Inverness to
Holyhead (can't remember if I changed in London, but I must have). It was
nice. Also, I once greatly enjoyed a day trip on L'Etoile du Nord from
Amsterdam to Paris, seated in first. It was most elegant.

AS

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>
> and so forth, and I'm both thrilled and astonished to see many of the same
> faces including Natalie, Tushar, and my old friend Paul Barfoot from
> Syracuse.  (Remember when my choir sang on your campus, Paul?  Did that
> really happen?)


Matthew Beams!!!  Welcome home.  Yes of course I remember.  You were my first
wordsler ftf and I still have the program from the concert - somewhere.


>
> I want to try to keep up, and now that school is almost over for the summer
> (I'm currently a Special Ed. high school teacher in Montclair, NJ teaching
> inclusion Chemistry and inclusion Algebra II and resource center Algebra II)
> I may be able to.  But the 135 messages I received today were overwhelming
> at 11:30 at night.  LOL


This sounds like an very interesting job.  My daughter Alisha is doing very similar
work in Syracuse.

>
> Looking forward to keeping in touch, and already feeling like I'm "home",
>
> Matt

I hope you do stay.


Paul

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In a message dated 6/16/2003 7:29:59 AM, dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

>Theo, I thought you were in Colorado?  Are you now in Idaho?  If so,
>where?  I'm in Boise.
>
==============
Yes, I used to live in Colorado, but I moved to Idaho in January because my
youngest dau noticed a house for sale just around the corner from her street
that she thought I would like.
Dare I hope to meet someone ftf from this group other than Alyce?
I'm in Meridian, just down the road from you!
Will you give me a buzz at 855-9190? Let it ring a long time because unless
I'm nearby, it could take some time. The one thing this house is short of is
enough phone connections for someone on wheels....Oh well, it could be worse.
I've learned to put up with lotsa inconveniences over the years.  Hopeful, Theo

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>From Advocate.com:
--------------------------
A powerful committee in Canada's Parliament on Thursday decided--by a
one-vote margin--to issue a nonbinding call to the Canadian government to
drop any legal challenges to court rulings allowing same-sex marriages. The
9-8 vote, by the House of Commons Justice Committee, is intended to prod
Prime Minister Jean Chretien's government to change the legal definition of
marriage or to refrain from challenging court rulings that give gay and
lesbian couples the right to marry.
Despite the Parliament committee's vote, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon
said Thursday that he needs more time before deciding whether the
government will appeal to Canada's supreme court. If Cauchon decides not to
appeal, the appellate court's definition of marriage would become national
law. "There's many options," Cauchon said. "We have a cabinet retreat next
week, and I really want to take the time to talk to my colleagues."

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BrP

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Dean Easily Wins Wisconsin Democratic Straw Poll

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
MILWAUKEE, Wis. (Reuters) - Former Vermont governor Howard Dean
easily won the first straw poll of the 2004 presidential race at the Wisconsin
Democratic convention on Saturday in a contest that national party officials
and campaign organizations derided as a waste of time.
Dean, who spoke at the convention on Friday night, trounced the other eight
Democratic presidential contenders in the unofficial poll sponsored by two
political Web sites, winning 203 votes to 50 for the second-place finisher,
Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry.
Less than a third of those attending the annual gathering of the state's
Democrats participated in the exercise after the Democratic National
Committee and all nine campaign organizations signed a letter to Wisconsin
delegates urging them to skip the contest.
The letter said straw polls were a divisive waste of time and resources that
reinforced the media's emphasis on the "horse race" aspects of the campaign
at the expense of issues.
Many of the 1,162 registered delegates and guests took the official warnings
to heart and walked past the two polling booths set up set up by the poll
sponsors, Wispolitics.com and Thehotline.
"I'm going to honor their requests and not vote as a result of that letter," said
Bob Jome, a retired teacher from Manitowoc, Wisconsin. "I was planning to
vote, but I changed my mind."
Others said they did not care what the DNC or campaign officials thought.
"Straw polls are fun, they make conventions exciting," said John Fumi of
Madison, Wisconsin, after casting a ballot for Kerry, who also spoke at the
convention. "You can't take them too seriously. Showing some organization
and appeal is a part of politics, too."
Registered delegates and registered guests voted in separate categories, but
Dean swamped Kerry and the others in both columns. The combined count
showed Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich finishing third with 27 votes.
He was followed by Florida Sen. Bob Graham with 19 votes; North Carolina
Sen. John Edwards, 18; Missouri Rep. Richard Gephardt, 10; former Illinois
Sen. Carol Mosely Braun, 5; Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman, 4; and civil
rights activist Al Sharpton, 2.

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02003-06-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > = > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a = >
> >>  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can = >
> >> reconnect with  peace there."
> >> >
> >> > Ok, it's all down to taste.  What/why do you like the last
> >> > sentence so much?
> >>
> >> Because it expresses perfectly something that I feel very strongly.
> >
> > How can you strongly feel something that hokey? You are mistaking
> > some other emotion for "feeling strongly".
>
> Nonsense. You are mistaking what I feel for something hokey.

Ohhh heh heh, it's ... oh yeah "it's a matter of taste". That's it.

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Theo Groothof:
= Will you give me a buzz at 855-9190? Let it ring a long time because unless
= I'm nearby, it could take some time. The one thing this house is short of is
= enough phone connections for someone on wheels....Oh well, it could be worse.
= I've learned to put up with lotsa inconveniences over the years.  Hopeful, Theo

Theo, get a cordless phone!  Then you can carry it around the
house with you all the time.  I bet that would make things
easier.

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> Natalie sent me an ad for online singles.  There are cruel
> ironies afoot.

What?!

Karen

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> 02003-06-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > = > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a = >
>>  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can = >
>> reconnect with  peace there."
>> >
>> > Ok, it's all down to taste.  What/why do you like the last
>> > sentence so much?
>>
>> Because it expresses perfectly something that I feel very strongly.
>
> How can you strongly feel something that hokey? You are mistaking
> some other emotion for "feeling strongly".

Nonsense. You are mistaking what I feel for something hokey.

Karen

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Natalie sent me an ad for online singles.  There are cruel
ironies afoot.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-06-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > = > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
> > = >  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
> > = >  reconnect with  peace there."
> >
> > Ok, it's all down to taste.  What/why do you like the last
> > sentence so much?
>
> Because it expresses perfectly something that I feel very strongly.

How can you strongly feel something that hokey? You are mistaking
some other emotion for "feeling strongly".

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> Natalie sent me an ad for online singles.  There are cruel
> ironies afoot.


>What?!


>Karen

I can't help but somehow believe there are some last laughs, somewhere, in
store.

Karma demands no less.

AS

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    Your clock's about 10 hours slow.

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>
> LOL.
>
> Karen

    If you're gonna have an e-oops, make it innocuous, I always say.

JMW

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>     Your clock's about 10 hours slow.

LOL.

Karen

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>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Karen
>
>     If you're gonna have an e-oops, make it innocuous, I always say.

You have a MUCH better track record in that area than I do.:)

Karen

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This is precisely the kind of overuse of the word "dynamic" that tweaks me:

"Duke University Medical Center Library is recruiting a dynamic and successful fund raiser who is interested in developing, managing and implementing a fundraising program in a progressive and dynamic environment at an academic medical center library that serves a nationally recognized medical school and hospital."

Two times in one sentence! It happens all the time! Freaks me out!

Marie

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In a message dated 6/16/2003 12:51:41 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

>Theo, get a cordless phone!  Then you can carry it around the
>house with you all the time.  I bet that would make things
>easier.
>
I bought one, (GE, that won't work!) but it wasn't a good idea anyway,
because I lost my hearing too, and have to wear 2 hearing-aids as a result. Having
to hold a phone against a hearing-aid is not a good idea, because they have as
yet to invent one that won't squeal, and makes it impossible to carry on a
conversation.
No, if it weren't for this terrific medium, I would be much more isolated,
but fortunately I was already familiar with it.
Some time ago, I even had contact with an older cousin in Holland. She has
died too, alas. I should make an effort to find out if other family members use
'puters to get around, but I'm having problems remembering their names, and
also, I'm too lazy!
But y'all have become *family* to me. I'm really grateful to Alyce when she
asked me to join.
She came strongly to mind again today, because I'm out of cigs, and we both
smoked. Of course I realize that she had to give it up when she needed the
oxygen, and I never had the nerve to ask her how hard it had been. I know I'm
miserable, but I have to wait until my dau gets home from work which isn't until
after 6 PM. By the way, she works at hp in Boise, Dan! Thanks again to Adam for
making my return possible. Theo

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> 'puters

Tweak! Tweak!

Marie

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> At 11:18 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> >= Two times in one sentence! It happens all the time! Freaks me out!
> >=
> >= Marie
> >
> >What did the peace-through-peace-in-the-kitchen piece do to you?

I knew better than to read it.

Tweak!

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At 11:18 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= Two times in one sentence! It happens all the time! Freaks me out!
>=
>= Marie
>
>What did the peace-through-peace-in-the-kitchen piece do to you?

As for me:  Truth is Beauty.  Beauty is Truth.  Allness is One.  Oneness is
All.

cwv

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Marie Ascher:
= This is precisely the kind of overuse of the word "dynamic" that tweaks me:
=
= "Duke University Medical Center Library is recruiting a dynamic and successful fund raiser who is interested in developing, managing and implementing a fundraising program in a progressive and dynamic environment at an academic medical center library that serves a nationally recognized medical school and hospital."
=
= Two times in one sentence! It happens all the time! Freaks me out!
=
= Marie

What did the peace-through-peace-in-the-kitchen piece do to you?

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> I bought one, (GE, that won't work!) but it wasn't a good idea anyway,
> because I lost my hearing too, and have to wear 2 hearing-aids as a
> result. Having to hold a phone against a hearing-aid is not a good idea,
> because they have as yet to invent one that won't squeal, and makes it
> impossible to carry on a conversation.

You can buy a telephone that's suitable for a hearing aid, or buy a small
amplifier for the phone.

Karen

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I am to have my first root canal tomorrow. YaY!

'Twill be a relief, actually.

AS

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In a message dated 6/16/2003 3:36:20 PM, karenhd@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>You can buy a telephone that's suitable for a hearing aid, or buy a small
>
>amplifier for the phone.
>
>Karen
>
>Sorry Karen, but these gadgets have never been used by people who really
have the problem. I'm using a speaker phone that works great for me. Theo

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2975754.stm

Karen

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> In a message dated 6/16/2003 3:36:20 PM, karenhd@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
>>You can buy a telephone that's suitable for a hearing aid, or buy a
>> small
>>
>>amplifier for the phone.
>>
>>Karen
>>
>>Sorry Karen, but these gadgets have never been used by people who
>> really
> have the problem.

Sure they have. I only learned of the clip-on amplifier thingy because of
a friend who is deaf and who carries one with him.

Karen

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Hume Cronyn, RIP.

It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...

Karen

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Thank goodness. I thought you were impugning my reputation.

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>Thank goodness. I thought you were impugning my reputation.

!!Heavens no. No such thing intended whatsoever.

Have you ever had a root canal?:)

AS

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In a message dated 6/16/2003 4:19:47 PM, karenhd@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>Sure they have. I only learned of the clip-on amplifier thingy because
>of
>
>a friend who is deaf and who carries one with him.
>
>
There are also different *varieties* of deafness. Mine is nerve deafness
because of the accident. Believe me I've gone through a lot of testing to
establish which aid was best.
I'm happy for your friend that he's able to use that gadget, but the speaker
phone works best for me. Theo

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> In which case it's easy to make ucky planatains. Ligniere and I made
> them a couple of times with sesame seeds--once as a side dish and once
> as part of a green salad. It was very good both times. I almost bought
> him one today--I saw really fat ones from Hawaii at the store.

The Puerto Rican restaurant I go to regularly for lunch makes wonderful
tostones - fried plantain slices - as well as delicious mofongos - mashed
plantains with a LOT of garlic and some bacon. Plantains don't fit into my
diet any more, though. Nowadays when I go there I usually have roast pork,
some other meat product, and salad.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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--- Karen Kay <karenhd@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> Hume Cronyn, RIP.
>
> It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...
>
> Karen

Always a very much unappreciated actor, and Miss Tandy
an equally fine actress.


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Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>Thank goodness. I thought you were impugning my reputation.
>>
>
> !!Heavens no. No such thing intended whatsoever.
>
> Have you ever had a root canal?:)


        No, I *am* a virgin in that regard.




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> >> really
> > have the problem.
>
> Sure they have. I only learned of the clip-on amplifier thingy because
of
> a friend who is deaf and who carries one with him.
>
> Karen

Gene uses the clip-on amplifier thingy some,
but finds his best help is a speaker phone.

                     - D. M.

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On Monday, June 16, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> There are also different *varieties* of deafness. Mine is nerve deafness
> because of the accident. Believe me I've gone through a lot of testing to
> establish which aid was best.

But when was the last time? I think telephone varieties have improved
a lot in the past five years.

Karen

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On Monday, June 16, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> The Puerto Rican restaurant I go to regularly for lunch makes wonderful
> tostones - fried plantain slices - as well as delicious mofongos - mashed
> plantains with a LOT of garlic and some bacon. Plantains don't fit into my
> diet any more, though. Nowadays when I go there I usually have roast pork,
> some other meat product, and salad.

I don't think plantains are that carby.

Karen

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> >
> >What did the peace-through-peace-in-the-kitchen piece do to you?
>
> As for me:  Truth is Beauty.  Beauty is Truth.  Allness is One.
Oneness is
> All.
>
> cwv

And the sound of one hand stirring.

            - D. M.

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At 09:13 PM 6/16/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:

>And the sound of one hand   [ peacefully ]  stirring.


Om

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02003-06-16 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> This is precisely the kind of overuse of the word "dynamic" that tweaks me:
>
> "Duke University Medical Center Library is recruiting a dynamic and
> successful fund raiser who is interested in developing, managing and
> implementing a fundraising program in a progressive and dynamic
> environment at an academic medical center library that serves a
> nationally recognized medical school and hospital."
>
> Two times in one sentence! It happens all the time! Freaks me out!

Marie,

Stop flirting with me. Aren't you married or something? I swan.

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02003-06-16 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
>
> Truth is Booty.  Booty is Truth.

*Well I never*!

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In a message dated 6/16/2003 7:45:59 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>Gene uses the clip-on amplifier thingy some,
>
>but finds his best help is a speaker phone.
>
>
Since I'm not away from home much, I like it best too. Theo

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In a message dated 6/16/2003 8:07:04 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>But when was the last time? I think telephone varieties have improved
>a lot in the past five years.
>
Karen, my deafness does NOT change, so I'm not about to waste time and money
on more testing! Theo

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Theo Groothof:
= In a message dated 6/16/2003 7:45:59 PM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
=
= >Gene uses the clip-on amplifier thingy some,
= >
= >but finds his best help is a speaker phone.
= >
= >
= Since I'm not away from home much, I like it best too. Theo

Ok, then back to my first proposal, did you know that you can get
a cordless phone which is a speaker phone?  Mine is kind of not so
handy in that regard because you have to play like you are on
walkie-talkies and only talk one at a time, but once you get used
to it being that way, it's not a big deal.

For me, speakerphone is best when doing corporate nonsense
conference calls, and this makes them possible to do from home in
style.  Unfortunately the other button for conf. calls that is
indispensable is MUTE, and this phone doesn't have one of those.

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steph writes,

>Ok, then back to my first proposal, did you know that you can get
>a cordless phone which is a speaker phone?

E.g., Panasonic KX-TC1743B <http://tinyurl.com/eibr>.  Both speakerphones
(base and handset) are "digital duplex" (which is probably close to real
duplex, anyway).

Here's a review of a presumably similar KX-TC1713B which implies it would
be good for someone who's hard-of-hearing:
<http://www.epinions.com/content_75544825476>.

Pete

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> Hume Cronyn, RIP.
>
> It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...
>
> Karen

ah but the new ones keep arriving

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>
> Always a very much unappreciated actor, and Miss Tandy
> an equally fine actress.


Why do you say unappreciated?  I have rarely heard anything but the highest praise
for the work that they did individually and together.  I think theirs is a very interesting
story - married for 52 years.  I think they must have nourished each other both
personally and professionally in some very profound ways.

BrP

Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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6/16/2003, 3:23 PM, Theo Groothof wrote:

TG> By the way, she works at hp in Boise, Dan! Thanks again to Adam for
TG> making my return possible. Theo

What does she do there?  As you probably recall, Gail took early
retirement from there about three years ago.  Has never looked back,
and is glad to be out of that now-crazy company.  Hey, at least the
relatively small amount of stock we own allows us a nice $3,000 tax
loss every year.

dan

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6/16/2003, 3:52 PM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

ABS> I am to have my first root canal tomorrow. YaY!

ABS> 'Twill be a relief, actually.

I'd always heard how awful they were, but having had three now, I
don't think they were any worse than a couple fillings each.  No pain,
no big hassle, just a little longer in the chair.

dan

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6/16/2003, 8:05 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Monday, June 16, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
>> There are also different *varieties* of deafness. Mine is nerve deafness
>> because of the accident. Believe me I've gone through a lot of testing to
>> establish which aid was best.

KK> But when was the last time? I think telephone varieties have improved
KK> a lot in the past five years.

 Geez, Karen, give it a fucking break.  These folks have tried
 different things and you ought to know that nothing is the right
 answer for everybody, whether because of different conditions,
 different preferences and prejudices, whatever.


dan

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> Stop flirting with me. Aren't you married or something? I swan.

Keeping my options open (dynamic, so to speak).

Marie

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> In a message dated 6/16/2003 8:07:04 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
>>But when was the last time? I think telephone varieties have improved a
>> lot in the past five years.
>>
> Karen, my deafness does NOT change, so I'm not about to waste time and
> money on more testing! Theo

Congratulations on being so forward-thinking!

Karen

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>> Hume Cronyn, RIP.
>>
>> It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...
>>
>> Karen
>
> ah but the new ones keep arriving

Name three that are the equal of Hume Cronyn, Gregory Peck, and David
Brinkley.

Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and Jessica
Tandy. Ben and Jen?!

Karen

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I really like that artist--his Father's Day art was perfect, and so is this.

Karen

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>
> You'll just beam me the answer from Mars.:)
>
> Karen

Shall I beam it to Venus?

BrP

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=
= Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and Jessica
= Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
=
= Karen

Ben and Jen?

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> >> It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> > ah but the new ones keep arriving
>
> Name three that are the equal of Hume Cronyn, Gregory Peck, and David
> Brinkley.
>
> Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and Jessica
> Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
>
> Karen

I'll answer your question in about 50 years.


BrP

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steph wrote:

> =
> = Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and Jessica
> = Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
> =
> = Karen
>
> Ben and Jen?

Ben and Jerry?

JMW

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> =
> = Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and
> Jessica = Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
> =
> = Karen
>
> Ben and Jen?

Ben Affleck
Jennifer Lopez

Karen

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>> >> It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>> >
>> > ah but the new ones keep arriving
>>
>> Name three that are the equal of Hume Cronyn, Gregory Peck, and David
>> Brinkley.
>>
>> Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and
>> Jessica Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
>>
>> Karen
>
> I'll answer your question in about 50 years.

You'll just beam me the answer from Mars.:)

Karen

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>> You'll just beam me the answer from Mars.:)
>>
>> Karen
>
> Shall I beam it to Venus?

Nope. To Texas.

Karen

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> >> You'll just beam me the answer from Mars.:)
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> > Shall I beam it to Venus?
>
> Nope. To Texas.
>
> Karen


http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/1292279/ctid/17/ls/toys



:-)


BrP

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Karen Kay:
= > =
= > = Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and
= > Jessica = Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
= > =
= > = Karen
= >
= > Ben and Jen?
=
= Ben Affleck
= Jennifer Lopez

Who?

(just yankin' ya chain - but I didn't know they were an item)

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> Karen Kay:
> = > =
> = > = Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and =
>> Jessica = Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
> = > =
> = > = Karen
> = >
> = > Ben and Jen?
> =
> = Ben Affleck
> = Jennifer Lopez
>
> Who?
>
> (just yankin' ya chain - but I didn't know they were an item)

They may not be any more. A few weeks ago their engagement was
everywhere--everyone thinks they are SO CUTE together.

Karen

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>> their engagement was everywhere
>
> That's SO CUTE! But then isn't that what engagements are for?

Not in my world.

Karen

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Here's the list of new words added to the OED:

http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm

Marie

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> their engagement was everywhere

That's SO CUTE! But then isn't that what engagements are for? 

AS

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> > Here's the list of new words added to the OED:
> >
> > http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm
>
> What is a daysack?
>
> Karen

I would assume it would be a small backpack that would be the right size for just
what one needs for the day.

BrP

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When the next thing bothers me I think I'm going to say "buggeration"

It seems like a very effective word


BrP

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> Here's the list of new words added to the OED:
>
> http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm

What is a daysack?

Karen

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>> > Here's the list of new words added to the OED:
>> >
>> > http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm
>>
>> What is a daysack?
>>
>> Karen
>
> I would assume it would be a small backpack that would be the right size
> for just what one needs for the day.

I thought that was a daypack.

I was wondering if these are what sleeping bags for kids to take naps in
are called.

Karen

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I'm glad they are thinking about me: "It would cost less to simply insure
the 41 million Americans who now lack health insurance, the report, from
the Institute of Medicine, found."

http://www.forbes.com/business/newswire/2003/06/17/rtr1002736.html

Karen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> > I hasten to add: I never doubted Marianne's great.
>
> She is great and she is looking very much forward to the child.

:) While having some trouble choosing a proper adjective, however, for the time
taking it down at last, I quite forgot that she's literally *great* just now. My
best wishes to her.

Kristin

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Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.

A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and equipment needed
for a day out, esp. when hiking.

  1985 Times 27 Sept. 10/5 We try to avoid the bright colours and
  hi-tech materials so prevalent nowadays in kagools, gaiters and
  haversacks, now lamentably changed into jargonese ‘daysacks’ or even
  ‘daysacs’. 1991 Daily Tel. 5 Jan. (Colour Suppl.) 62 (advt.) Carry
  only a day sack and trek through remote valleys. 2001 Adventure Trav.
  July-Aug. 87/3 Most come with a zip off day sack attached to the
  main bag and, for the more sedate adventure, trolley wheels and
  a drag handle.




6/17/2003, 11:23 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> Here's the list of new words added to the OED:

MA> http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm

MA> Marie


dan

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 buggeration, n. and int.

 colloq. (orig. and chiefly Brit.).

  A. n. Annoyance, inconvenience, confusion. Earliest and freq.
  in buggeration factor orig. Mil., (the extent of) complication
  or difficulty besetting a particular course of action, ruefully
  considered inevitable; (also) a cause of such difficulty.

  1966 A. PRIOR Operators xv. 225 In his flying days the crews had
  had a phrase for such an occasion that could make a nonsense of
  any Op... They had called it the buggeration factor. 1984 J.
  MALCOLM Small Room in Somers Town xiv. 116 Sheer buggeration of
  relationships is outstanding on the telephone. 1985 Trad. Homes
  Nov. 3 Our builder took pains to point out..‘you have to add a
  buggeration factor which is usually about 25 per cent.’ 1990 A.
  BEEVOR Inside Brit. Army (1991) xiv. 201 The only advantage of
  the large-scale FTX [formation training exercise]..is that it
  imposes realistic buggeration factors on the staff. 2001 Evening
  Standard (Nexis) 7 Sept. 38 It means more buggeration for small
  businesses.



    B. int. Expressing anger, annoyance, or frustration: ‘damn’,
    ‘hell’, ‘blast’.

  1984 J. GREEN Dict. Contemp. Slang 36 Buggeration!, general
  excl[amation] of annoyance. 1990 E. BLAIR Maggie Jordan (BNC)
  35 He groped in a pocket and pulled out a now useless packet
  of cigarettes. ‘Buggeration!’ he swore, and tossed the packet
  onto the lapping water. 1993 V. SAGE Mirror for Larks 406 She
  heard Noel say ‘Buggeration!’ and put her head round the corner
  to ask what it was. 1997 D. HANSEN Sole Survivor xiv. 159 Mickey
  skimmed through the note and slammed it down on his desk.
  ‘Buggeration!’ he screamed.






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MA> Here's the list of new words added to the OED:

MA> http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm

MA> Marie


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Trustafarian, n. (and a.)

colloq. (chiefly Brit.).

    A wealthy young (white) person with a bohemian lifestyle,
    typically one who adopts aspects of the appearance and
    culture of other ethnic groups (esp. Rastafarians) and
    lives in or frequents a fashionable, multicultural area.
    Freq. mildly derogatory. Also as adj.

  1992 Washington Times 26 Aug. C3 Then there's ‘Trustafarian’,
  which describes a ‘guy who has long hair and a trust fund,
  drives a Saab or Jeep, listens to reggae, and doesn't let a
  whole lot bother him.’ 1994 Guardian 8 Jan. (Weekend Suppl.)
  15/3 Here..is the home of ‘Trustafarians’rich white kids who
  subscribe to the notion of West London bohemiaand here, for
  the older generation, is a politically correct mix of creeds,
  colours and ideologies. 1996 Times 19 Nov. 15/1 The Sloane
  Ranger has been dead for years... The Trustafarian, also
  known as the OK Yardie or Notting Hillbilly, is now yesterday's
  trendyidle, druggy, wallowing in inherited wealth and failing
  to make any contribution in the new Nineties meritocracy. 2001
  M. BLAKE 24 Karat Schmooze v. 48 Under the sallow skin, fine
  bones in her face came out of breeding. Put that with the
  dreads and she got a Trustafarian vibe.




6/17/2003, 11:23 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> Here's the list of new words added to the OED:

MA> http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm

MA> Marie


dan

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:29 -0600, Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> wrote:
>Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.
>
>A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and equipment needed
>for a day out, esp. when hiking.

So it is a British daypack.

What do you call those indoor sleeping bags, then?

Karen

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6/17/2003, 1:21 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:29 -0600, Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> wrote:
>>Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.
>>
>>A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and equipment needed
>>for a day out, esp. when hiking.

KK> So it is a British daypack.

KK> What do you call those indoor sleeping bags, then?

Uhhh.... maybe indoor sleeping bags?  and couldn't any sleeping bag be
used indoors?  I do know what you mean, and maybe it is a brand name
you're after.

dan

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> 6/17/2003, 1:21 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:29 -0600, Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
> wrote:
>>>Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.
>>>
>>>A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and equipment needed for
>>> a day out, esp. when hiking.
>
> KK> So it is a British daypack.
>
> KK> What do you call those indoor sleeping bags, then?
>
> Uhhh.... maybe indoor sleeping bags?  and couldn't any sleeping bag be
> used indoors?  I do know what you mean, and maybe it is a brand name
> you're after.

No, these are sold for kids. I'm sure a quick perusal through the Sunday
paper's ads would do it, but that's not going to happen for a couple
weeks.

Karen

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Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please desist.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:19 pm
Subject: trustafarian

> Trustafarian, n. (and a.)
>
> colloq. (chiefly Brit.).
>
>    A wealthy young (white) person with a bohemian lifestyle,
>    typically one who adopts aspects of the appearance and
>    culture of other ethnic groups (esp. Rastafarians) and
>    lives in or frequents a fashionable, multicultural area.
>    Freq. mildly derogatory. Also as adj.
>
>  1992 Washington Times 26 Aug. C3 Then there's ?Trustafarian?,
>  which describes a ?guy who has long hair and a trust fund,
>  drives a Saab or Jeep, listens to reggae, and doesn't let a
>  whole lot bother him.? 1994 Guardian 8 Jan. (Weekend Suppl.)
>  15/3 Here..is the home of ?Trustafarians?rich white kids who
>  subscribe to the notion of West London bohemiaand here, for
>  the older generation, is a politically correct mix of creeds,
>  colours and ideologies. 1996 Times 19 Nov. 15/1 The Sloane
>  Ranger has been dead for years... The Trustafarian, also
>  known as the OK Yardie or Notting Hillbilly, is now yesterday's
>  trendyidle, druggy, wallowing in inherited wealth and failing
>  to make any contribution in the new Nineties meritocracy. 2001
>  M. BLAKE 24 Karat Schmooze v. 48 Under the sallow skin, fine
>  bones in her face came out of breeding. Put that with the
>  dreads and she got a Trustafarian vibe.
>
>
>
>
> 6/17/2003, 11:23 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> MA> Here's the list of new words added to the OED:
>
> MA> http://dictionary.oed.com/public/help/Dict/Quarterly/0306a.htm
>
> MA> Marie
>
>
> dan
>

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:21 pm> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:29
> -0600, Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
>> wrote:>Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.
>> >
>> >A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and equipment needed
>> for a day out, esp. when hiking.
>>
>> So it is a British daypack.
>>
>> What do you call those indoor sleeping bags, then?
>
> Napsacks? ;-)

Too logical!

Karen

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> Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please
> desist.

He's given ones of the ones we discussed--and not having access to an OED,
I appreciate it.

So buggeration off, Marie!

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:21 pm> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:29 -0600, Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
> wrote:>Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.
> >
> >A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and equipment needed
> >for a day out, esp. when hiking.
>
> So it is a British daypack.
>
> What do you call those indoor sleeping bags, then?

Napsacks? ;-)

Marie

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 1:11:23 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

While having some trouble choosing a proper adjective, however, for the time
taking it down at last, I quite forgot that she's literally *great* just
now. My best wishes to her.
Kristin
======
May I hasten to ad my best wishes as well? I've been out of touch for a
while, but catching up, and hoping this will still be timely.
Theo

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6/17/2003, 1:38 PM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please desist.

  Hell no.  Just the three that were specifically mentioned.  If I
  were going to do them all, don't you think they'd have been in
  alphabetic order, from the top?  After all, I AM a librarian.

  And geez, posting stuff about WORDS on this list....what the hell is
  it all coming to.

dan

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6/17/2003, 1:42 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Napsacks? ;-)

KK> Too logical!

    But a totally reasonable brandname.  Ideal for marketing.

dan

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Danny Warbucks:
> the relatively small amount of stock we own allows us a nice $3,000 tax
> loss every year.

Wait -- how does that work?  How can you
keep selling a relatively small amount
of stock for the maximum capital loss?

What am I missing?

Or did you dump it all at once for a big
loss and you're just catching up at the
$3000/year rate?

--
K. Lay

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 7:02:52 AM, dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

>What does she do there?  As you probably recall, Gail took early
>retirement from there about three years ago.  Has never looked back,
>and is glad to be out of that now-crazy company.  Hey, at least the
>relatively small amount of stock we own allows us a nice $3,000 tax
>loss every year.
>
>dan
>
========
I'm not sure exactly what her job is; something like *technical adviser* I
believe. She has weeks when she's #on call#, and has to be by the phone day and
night, and she hates it, but as she says: "at least I got a job!" I didn't
know that Gail had been with hp too, though. Small world, isn't it? Theo

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 1:57:22 PM, dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

>  And geez, posting stuff about WORDS on this list....what the hell is
>  it all coming to.
>
You made my day, Dan ;-)

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6/17/2003, 1:58 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> Danny Warbucks:
>> the relatively small amount of stock we own allows us a nice $3,000 tax
>> loss every year.

hpv> Wait -- how does that work?  How can you
hpv> keep selling a relatively small amount
hpv> of stock for the maximum capital loss?

hpv> What am I missing?

Every year we sell about $3000 worth, i.e. 3000 of loss.  And you can
carry over the rest if it happens to come out to a 3017 loss or
whatever.  We always have a few odd dollars of loss to carryover,
which turbotax nicely keeps track of.

hpv> Or did you dump it all at once for a big
hpv> loss and you're just catching up at the
hpv> $3000/year rate?

No, we're keeping it, and it looks now like we'll have to sell more
this year to get that much loss.  Which would be nice, but it is a
long time until year end.  Gail always sells it around Xmas time, but
not on the last day of year.

dan



hpv> --
hpv> K. Lay


dan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Kay" <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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> >> I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet
Kofalk.
> >>
> >> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> >> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
do
> >> our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> >> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> >> within, and > >>
> >> Karen
> >
> > I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.
>
> I don't know if you just misread this passage or if you're
deliberately
> picking out words for your own use, but please note that there is
nothing
> in this passage about cooking bringing peace.
>
> Karen


I must have misunderstood:

"Cooking in peace . . creates an atmosphere of peace "
"we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
 peace there."

              - D. M.

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> >> Hume Cronyn, RIP.
> >>
> >> It's hard to believe they'll be anyone left, soon...
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> > ah but the new ones keep arriving
>
> Name three that are the equal of Hume Cronyn, Gregory Peck, and David
> Brinkley.
>
> Better yet, name 2 that have a relationship like Hume Cronyn and Jessica
> Tandy. Ben and Jen?!
>
> Karen

I think Ben 'n Jerry are more stable than Ben 'n Jen.

Sandra

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Kay" <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Peace and cooking
>
>
>> >> I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet
> Kofalk.
>> >>
>> >> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
>> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
> do
>> >> our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
>> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
>> within, and > >>
>> >> Karen
>> >
>> > I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.
>>
>> I don't know if you just misread this passage or if you're
> deliberately
>> picking out words for your own use, but please note that there is
> nothing
>> in this passage about cooking bringing peace.
>>
>> Karen
>
>
> I must have misunderstood:
>
> "Cooking in peace . . creates an atmosphere of peace "
> "we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
>  peace there."

The peace is within you, and you bring it to the act of cooking. The
author may as well have said vacuuming or gardening or doing the laundry.
The act itself doesn't bring peace, but if you bring peace to the act, it
amplifies peace and allows it to resonate in the rest of your life.

In other words, the making of the raisin cookies wasn't peaceful, so of
course it didn't bring peace.

Karen

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> > Subject: Re: Peace and cooking
> >
> >
> >> >> I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet
> > Kofalk.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace
in
> >> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
> > do
> >> >> our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge
to
> >> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> >> within, and > >>
> >> >> Karen
> >> >
> >> > I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.
> >>
> >> I don't know if you just misread this passage or if you're
> > deliberately
> >> picking out words for your own use, but please note that there is
> > nothing
> >> in this passage about cooking bringing peace.
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> >
> > I must have misunderstood:
> >
> > "Cooking in peace . . creates an atmosphere of peace "
> > "we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
> >  peace there."
>
> The peace is within you, and you bring it to the act of cooking. The
> author may as well have said vacuuming or gardening or doing the
laundry.
> The act itself doesn't bring peace, but if you bring peace to the act,
it
> amplifies peace and allows it to resonate in the rest of your life.
>
> In other words, the making of the raisin cookies wasn't peaceful, so
of
> course it didn't bring peace.
>
> Karen

All of that goes without saying.

          - D. M.

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> So buggeration off, Marie!
>
> Karen

Watch out or I'll bitch-slap yo ass!

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At 08:24 AM 6/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet Kofalk.
> >
> > "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> > which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so do
> > our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> > within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
> > peace there."
> >
> > Karen
>
>I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.
>As a father's day surprise I decided to make some cookies
>that Gene's mother used to make for him years ago . . .
>filled raisin cookies.  You make a sugar cookie dough which
>you roll out and cut into circles.  In the middle of a circle you
>put a spoonfull of raisin filling (which you have prepared by
>grinding raisins and cooking them with sugar/water).  Then
>you place another circle on top and crimp the edges.
>
>Well, I used an untried recipe from an old cookbook.
>The dough stuck to the board.  In trying to get the damn
>stuff rolled out I kept adding flour and somehow I had
>flour all over that kitchen, a fine dust falling onto the
>linoleum floor so that my footing kept slipping.
>
>So by the time I got the cookies into the oven it took me
>forever to clean up the cupboard and the floor and all
>the dishes I had used.  But finally I delivered a
>large raisin cookie to Gene.  He tasted it and said "What
>is this?  Blueberries?"  Even after I told him it was his
>mother's special raisin cookie I made special just for him, he
>said "I don't remember any raisin cookies."
>
>There are days like that.
>
>               - D. M.

Yesterday I made a birthday cake for myself. Before anyone asks, the reason
is, I like Duncan Hines chocolate cake with real whipped cream (which I
also made for myself). No one believes this is my favorite cake which is
evident by the fact I've asked for this the past three years and haven't
received it.

Anyway, the box said to cook for 35-40 minutes. I put the cake in for 30
minutes. When the timer went off I found a well done cake in the oven.

Luckily Tina bought me lots of ice cream and sundae fixin's so I was able
to ignore the taste of the overdone cake.

The other good news is, the cake is so disappointing that it's headed for
the trash bin thus saving me a few calories and a few extra workouts.

Maybe next year...

lisa
    32.

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>> > Subject: Re: Peace and cooking
>> >
>> >
>> >> >> I found this on the web. From "The Peaceful Cook," by Harriet
>> > Kofalk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace
> in
>> >> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
>> > do
>> >> >> our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge
> to
>> >> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
>> within, and > >>
>> >> >> Karen
>> >> >
>> >> > I did some cooking yesterday which brought no peace.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if you just misread this passage or if you're
>> > deliberately
>> >> picking out words for your own use, but please note that there is
>> > nothing
>> >> in this passage about cooking bringing peace.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>> >
>> >
>> > I must have misunderstood:
>> >
>> > "Cooking in peace . . creates an atmosphere of peace "
>> > "we who spend any time in the kitchen can reconnect with
>> >  peace there."
>>
>> The peace is within you, and you bring it to the act of cooking. The
>> author may as well have said vacuuming or gardening or doing the
> laundry.
>> The act itself doesn't bring peace, but if you bring peace to the act,
> it
>> amplifies peace and allows it to resonate in the rest of your life.
>>
>> In other words, the making of the raisin cookies wasn't peaceful, so
> of
>> course it didn't bring peace.
>>
>> Karen
>
> All of that goes without saying.
>
>           - D. M.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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At 04:32 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>  "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
>   which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
>  do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge
>  to create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a
>  power within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
>  reconnect with  peace there."
>
>= > Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".
>=
>= Ah, then we merely have different values.
>
>Don't you just want to edit it?
>
>Lemme give it a shot:
>
>
>Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which we
>can grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
>of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
>which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
>and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
>peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.
>
>The first one just sets my teeth on edge.  Mine still seems
>stilted, but it doesn't quite bang the same way, even though in
>the end I've hardly cut any of the "peaces".


And I thought it was just me. I got the point of Karen's post but it didn't
read well to me.

Thanks for your attempt Steph, it was a little easier on the eyes.

lisa

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At 07:13 AM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > In a message dated 6/16/2003 8:07:04 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> >
> >>But when was the last time? I think telephone varieties have improved a
> >> lot in the past five years.
> >>
> > Karen, my deafness does NOT change, so I'm not about to waste time and
> > money on more testing! Theo
>
>Congratulations on being so forward-thinking!
>
>Karen

Karen this isn't a very nice response from you. Theo's stated, numerous
times that she's satisfied with the solution she has, speaker phone +
asking people to let the phone ring a few extra times. Why can't you
peacefully accept this and let her be?

lisa

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--On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:58 PM -0400 lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
wrote:

> Yesterday I made a birthday cake for myself.

Happy Birthday!

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> At 07:13 AM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> > In a message dated 6/16/2003 8:07:04 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>> >
>> >>But when was the last time? I think telephone varieties have
>> improved a
>> >> lot in the past five years.
>> >>
>> > Karen, my deafness does NOT change, so I'm not about to waste time
>> and money on more testing! Theo
>>
>>Congratulations on being so forward-thinking!
>>
>>Karen
>
> Karen this isn't a very nice response from you. Theo's stated, numerous
> times that she's satisfied with the solution she has, speaker phone +
> asking people to let the phone ring a few extra times. Why can't you
> peacefully accept this and let her be?

I don't know why you think this isn't nice, but I did indeed peacefully
accept her comment and let her be.

Karen

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> At 04:32 PM 6/16/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>>  "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
>>   which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
>>  do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
>> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
>> within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
>>  reconnect with  peace there."
>>
>>= > Mostly, it just bangs on the word "peace".
>>=
>>= Ah, then we merely have different values.
>>
>>Don't you just want to edit it?
>>
>>Lemme give it a shot:
>>
>>
>>Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which we can
>> grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
>>of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
>>which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
>>and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
>>peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.
>>
>>The first one just sets my teeth on edge.  Mine still seems
>>stilted, but it doesn't quite bang the same way, even though in
>>the end I've hardly cut any of the "peaces".
>
>
> And I thought it was just me. I got the point of Karen's post but it
> didn't read well to me.
>
> Thanks for your attempt Steph, it was a little easier on the eyes.

But it totally changed and obscured the meaning!

Karen

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> --On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:58 PM -0400 lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > Yesterday I made a birthday cake for myself.
>
> Happy Birthday!

Don't think of cakes as just for birthdays!!! :)

Sandra

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> lisa
>     32.

YaY! Happy Birthday!

I know My Polenta would be wishing you happy birthday, but he is done with
e-mail for the day.

Karen

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His goal after leaving the UN is to pick blueberries and mushrooms! My
kind of guy!

Karen

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--On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:14 PM -0700 sandra
<sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> wrote:

>
> Don't think of cakes as just for birthdays!!! :)
>
> Sandra

Good cakes are good anytime!

Terry

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>> their engagement was everywhere
>
> That's SO CUTE! But then isn't that what engagements are for?

>Not in my world.

>Karen

I'm sorry for you, then! Each to her own.

Amy

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Sunday 14th Rita Leonard  Sorry we missed it. Hope it was a good one!

Wed. 17th Barbara Harminc and Mary Saviola

Fri 19th Don Moore

Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc

Happy Birthday to all and thanks again for the calendar, Sylvia!

Terry

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Terry,

Thanks!  Yes, it was a great birthday.  My brother-in-law FINALLY
married his long time girlfriend that day.  What a relief :-)

Happy Birthday to all on the list below and to Lisa.

Rita  L.

Terry Wild wrote:

> Sunday 14th Rita Leonard  Sorry we missed it. Hope it was a good one!
>
> Wed. 17th Barbara Harminc and Mary Saviola
>
> Fri 19th Don Moore
>
> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
> Happy Birthday to all and thanks again for the calendar, Sylvia!
>
> Terry


--

Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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HilariousGod, I love Conan!

Sandra

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http://www.february-7.com/features/conan.htm

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> HilariousGod, I love Conan!

Calling Tushar!

Karen

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Dan, citing OED:

>Trustafarian, n. (and a.)

>colloq. (chiefly Brit.).


>    A wealthy young (white) person with a bohemian lifestyle,
    typically one who adopts aspects of the appearance and
    culture of other ethnic groups (esp. Rastafarians) and
    lives in or frequents a fashionable, multicultural area.
    Freq. mildly derogatory. Also as adj.

Ho Yeah. Thick as mosquitoes in places like the Caribbean. Often paid to
stay away by the families. Shunned by Real Rastas. Always have an eclectic
entourage of hangers-on, usally snowbirds and other transients. To be
avoided like the plague. BORRRRING.

AS

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 3:16:34 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>> lisa
>>>     32.
>
>YaY! Happy Birthday!
>
>From me too. Your description of the whipped cream made me hungry for some!
It wouldn't have caused any harm had I had any, because I'm *still* trying to
gain weight.. My mother used to make the *real* stuff, but I'm just too lazy...
Theo

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 3:10:32 PM, alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:

>Karen this isn't a very nice response from you. Theo's stated, numerous
>times that she's satisfied with the solution she has, speaker phone +
>asking people to let the phone ring a few extra times. Why can't you
>peacefully accept this and let her be?
>
>lisa
>
Thanks, Lisa. Karen, and other people with normal hearing, find it difficult
to understand deafness. For example, I can hear *sounds* perfectly all right.
It's distinguishing what they mean, that's the hardest part. It's practically
impossible for me to hear 2 people talking at the same time. Talking behind me
is another no-no.
I never realized that I do a lot of lip reading, but I do.
Another thing in my case is that one ear doesn't hear what the other one
hears at exactly the same time. I never use the sound on the TV simply because I
can read better than hear :-)
As much as I like music, it too is difficult to hear on a radio.
The higher notes on the musical scale override the lower ones, therefor
distorting the piece as it was written. I won't bore you all, because as I said: it
cannot be understood if you don't experience it personally. Theo

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 2:33:50 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>In other words, the making of the raisin cookies wasn't peaceful, so of
>
>course it didn't bring peace.
>
>
>
>Karen
>
>
Ah, now I understand why my ex took off with another woman! It was her
COOKING that did it... The dishes *I* brought to the table were just to keep the
children healthy, and him from bitching about being hungry. I never minded
cooking, but I never got a great deal of satisfaction from it either. My mother
never baked cookies or cake; we just got them from the bakery at special
occasions. For every day sweets at teatime the grocery store provided them.
I realize that my environment was very different from the American way of
life, so it doesn't *count*, right? Sorry people, but I couldn't resist! Theo

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> Thanks, Lisa. Karen, and other people with normal hearing, find it
> difficult to understand deafness.

Oh, bullshit. It's not deafness I don't understand, Theo.

Karen

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> >> their engagement was everywhere
> >
> > That's SO CUTE! But then isn't that what engagements are for?
>
> >Not in my world.
>
> >Karen
>
> I'm sorry for you, then! Each to her own.
>
> Amy

I love to hear of engagements.  Particularly if
they are surprises.  One never knows who is
going to meet whom and what will come of it.

             - D. M.

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dan:
> Every year we sell about $3000 worth, i.e. 3000 of loss.

jeez.  Talk about making the best of
a bad situation.

> No, we're keeping it, and it looks now like we'll have to sell more
> this year to get that much loss.

Oh, fear not.  Now that you have
Carly Fiorina on the job at HP,
you'll have losses to pass unto
the seventh generation.

Oh, wait, you can't do that.

Damn and blast!

--
C.M. Burns

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D.M.
> All of that goes without saying.

Face it Doris, you're just not
peaceful enough to benefit from
this peacefulness.

P.S. to Karen: Yeah, I know the
original quote was important in
some of the responses, but just
what was up with quoting every
last line anyone had typed?

Y'think bandwidth grows on trees?

--
CLOSEZAT GODDAM DOOR THAT AIRS PAID FOR

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 4:01:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:
<<
Anyway, the box said to cook for 35-40 minutes. I put the cake in for 30
minutes. When the timer went off I found a well done cake in the oven.

>>

First, Happy Birthday!!!!

Second, I would lower the temperature about 25 degrees and check the
cake at 25 minutes.  I've never known an oven that wouldn't bake faster
than the instructions say.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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I tried mailing you personally, but it bounced.

Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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Lisa:
>I like Duncan Hines

Oooh, yeah.  When I'm too arsed to do it
right, Mr. (Ms.?) Hines has done the job.

I've also discovered that Surefine (I'm
not certain if that's a regional brand
or not) does that same job at considerably
less expense.  I'll bet you can find the
same stuff that comes out of the same mill,
and I'll bet they sell it in MA.

> Anyway, the box said to cook for 35-40 minutes.

Righto.  The catch to the box mixes is that
that have to be everything to everybody, so
if you're cooking it as a sheet cake it's
different from a layer cake is different
from...  You get the idea.

Gas or 'lectric?

--
short skirt, long jacket

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Evelyn "Hines" Duncan:
> Second, I would lower the temperature about 25 degrees and check the
> cake at 25 minutes.  I've never known an oven that wouldn't bake faster
> than the instructions say.

If I weren't such a loudmouth
knowitall, I'd have waited for
this post and said what she said.

--
balsamic bitroT boy

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On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Y'think bandwidth grows on trees?

Get with the 21st century, Richard. 300 baud modems are no longer the
standard!

Karen

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Karen:
> Get with the 21st century, Richard. 300 baud modems are no longer the
> standard!

While you didn't actually make me
grin - 'cuz I don't do that - you
did cause a certain tightening in
my jaw muscles, bringing up the
memory of the first time I saw a
terminal spit out text faster than
I could read it.

--
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At 04:58 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, lisa alfieri wrote:

>Anyway, the box said to cook for 35-40 minutes. I put the cake in for 30
>minutes. When the timer went off I found a well done cake in the oven.

I've never been sure what sort of oven was used in the development of
recipes.  After lots of trial and error, my general rule of thumb is to
reduce the cooking time by anywhere from 20 to 40%.  As an example, my
favorite bread recipe calls for baking the bread at 400 F for about 45
minutes.  Irrespective of whether I do the "white bread" version or my most
recent whole-wheat with added grains, the two loaves come out pretty much
perfect at 30 minutes.  And no, I don't have a high-tech oven---just a
simple, electric, Kenmore.

I occasionally watch Emeril and note his admonishment to not "test" any
baked things.  That's all well and good if one is cooking with a megabucks
top-of-the-line Viking oven.  For the rest of us, it's still trial and
error and definitely an art form.

(57 pages of bandwidth reserved for Tushar's rant on how cooking can never
be an art or anything important, for that matter)

cwv

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On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>> Get with the 21st century, Richard. 300 baud modems are no longer the
>> standard!

> While you didn't actually make me
> grin - 'cuz I don't do that - you
> did cause a certain tightening in
> my jaw muscles, bringing up the
> memory of the first time I saw a
> terminal spit out text faster than
> I could read it.

:)

Karen

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> Maybe next year...
>
> lisa
>    32.

Happy Birthday!!

belatedly,

Marie

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Karen:
>> saw a terminal spit out text faster than
>> I could read it.
> :)

I knew you'd remember that moment.

WHOA.

--
Keanu (as Ted)

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> Ah, now I understand why my ex took off with another woman! It was her
> COOKING that did it... The dishes *I* brought to the table were
> just to keep the
> children healthy, and him from bitching about being hungry.

That's sad. What year was this? It sounds so Depression era. (or depressing anyway...)

Marie

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--On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:34 PM -0400 Rita Leonard <leonard@BC.EDU>
wrote:

> Thanks!  Yes, it was a great birthday.

Great!

My brother-in-law FINALLY
> married his long time girlfriend that day.  What a relief :-)

I'm baited, are you going to spill the beans?  If not, congratulations the
them and the family, who it appears can now rest easy.

Terry

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> Ho Yeah. Thick as mosquitoes in places like the Caribbean. Often
> paid to
> stay away by the families.

I found they also liked to follow the Grateful Dead (back when) -- probably also following whatever jam band is big right now. Jersey kids with tons of money who could afford to do nothing and have money wired to them whenever they needed it.

Trustafarian, by the way, was not a new one on me.

Marie

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On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>>> saw a terminal spit out text faster than
>>> I could read it.
>> :)

> I knew you'd remember that moment.

> WHOA.

> --
> Keanu (as Ted)

Like, totally...

Karen (as herself)

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> I don't think plantains are that carby.
>
> Karen

Uh-huh.

Less carby than the red beans and rice, maybe.

--Adam
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>> I don't think plantains are that carby.
>>
>> Karen

> Uh-huh.

> Less carby than the red beans and rice, maybe.

You're right! I'm shocked at how carby they are--worse than potatoes.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 6:04:23 PM, 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

>That's sad. What year was this? It sounds so Depression era. (or depressing
>anyway...)
>
No, Marie. It was not during that time, and it wasn't depressing to me
either, because I'd expected it more or less.
But he WAS what you call a *chowhound*. We had been married for 33 years, but
they were boring as hell, and she IS doing a lot of baking etc.
Last Christmas she invited us all for dinner. Yes, including ME!
Since I need to gain weight, and spared me the effort of thinking of yet
another way to put together a dish that would tempt my appetite, I accepted. It
was probably good, but to tell the truth, I'll never understand what's in food
that provides so much joy to some people. OK, I'm weird, but you always knew
that, right? Theo

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I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.

Evelyn Duncan
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had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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Marie:
>have money wired to them whenever they needed it.

Snort.

Like the <homeless teens> what used to
hang out in the Quarter ('til, evidently,
someplace else became cooler, praise God).

Their nice shiny Docs and their new (uninfected,
that's a giveaway) piercings, and their hair
dye more up-to-date than my galpals...

<HOMER>
did I say that or just think it?
</HOMER>

--
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Evelyn:
> I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.

I'll bet th'preevert was counting on
kitty having been de-clawed.

--
Keenan "Ivory*" Wynn


* tip o'the hat to Tom Servo

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--- Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> > 6/17/2003, 1:21 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > KK> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:29 -0600, Dan Lester
> <dan@GAILNDAN.COM>
> > wrote:
> >>>Daysack, n.  Chiefly Brit.
> >>>
> >>>A small rucksack, designed to hold provisions and
> equipment needed for
> >>> a day out, esp. when hiking.
> >
> > KK> So it is a British daypack.
> >
> > KK> What do you call those indoor sleeping bags,
> then?
> >
> > Uhhh.... maybe indoor sleeping bags?  and couldn't
> any sleeping bag be
> > used indoors?  I do know what you mean, and maybe
> it is a brand name
> > you're after.
>
> No, these are sold for kids. I'm sure a quick
> perusal through the Sunday
> paper's ads would do it, but that's not going to
> happen for a couple
> weeks.
>
> Karen

Bedroll?


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Theo:

>but to tell the truth, I'll never understand what's in food
that provides so much joy to some people.

Peace! They find joy in Peace!

:)

AS

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 8:25:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
I'll bet th'preevert was counting on
kitty having been de-clawed.

>>

No, she has all of her weapons, fully sharpened.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
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On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> Theo:

>>but to tell the truth, I'll never understand what's in food
> that provides so much joy to some people.

> Peace! They find joy in Peace!

Or in whirled peas. Whichever comes first.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/17/2003 8:25:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
* tip o'the hat to Tom Servo

>>

I miss MST3K; I especially miss Trace Beaulieu's Crow T. Robot.
And one cannot forget TV's Frank.
Evelyn Duncan
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had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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--- "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
wrote:
> >
> > Always a very much unappreciated actor, and Miss
> Tandy
> > an equally fine actress.
>
>
> Why do you say unappreciated?  I have rarely heard
> anything but the highest praise
> for the work that they did individually and
> together.  I think theirs is a very interesting
> story - married for 52 years.  I think they must
> have nourished each other both
> personally and professionally in some very profound
> ways.
>
> BrP
>
> Paul R. Barfoot
> Special Collections
> Syracuse University Library

I say unappreciated because if you were to flash their
pictures, individually or together, in front of the
general public, I'll wager 80% of the public could not
tell you who they were or cite any specifics about the
bodies of their work.  In this society, that is
unappreciated.  WE may appreciate them, but like the
law, the public "is a ass".


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Lynne:

>WE may appreciate them, but like the law, the public "is a ass".

Amen, Sister!

AS

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ABS> I am to have my first root canal tomorrow. YaY!


ABS> 'Twill be a relief, actually.


>I'd always heard how awful they were, but having had three now, I
>don't think they were any worse than a couple fillings each.  No >pain, no
big hassle, just a little longer in the chair.

>dan

Other than the transient stings of the shots, there was no pain at all. It
was a job well done. Now the tooth is sore as Hell, but it's "recovery"
sore. I'll stay home again tomorrow and recoup. Whew! YaY!

AS

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Terry Wild wrote:

> I'm baited, are you going to spill the beans?  If not, congratulations
> the
> them and the family, who it appears can now rest easy.
>
> Terry

Sorry!  No beans to spill really.  It is just that most of the known
world has been sure for years that the marriage was the 'right thing to
do' but it never occurred to the dopey BIL until just recently.  We were
beginning to worry about his level of intelligence.  :-)

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--- Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> ABS> I am to have my first root canal tomorrow. YaY!
>
>
> ABS> 'Twill be a relief, actually.
>
>
> >I'd always heard how awful they were, but having
> had three now, I
> >don't think they were any worse than a couple
> fillings each.  No >pain, no
> big hassle, just a little longer in the chair.
>
> >dan
>
> Other than the transient stings of the shots, there
> was no pain at all. It
> was a job well done. Now the tooth is sore as Hell,
> but it's "recovery"
> sore. I'll stay home again tomorrow and recoup.
> Whew! YaY!
>
> AS

Congrats, it's over.  Take a couple of Tylenol and
post me in the morning.


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Evelyn Duncan:
= I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.
=

Yeah, I was wondering about that.  Maybe he was practicing!

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The original:
"Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
reconnect with  peace there."


My version:
Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which we can
grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.

=
= But it totally changed and obscured the meaning!
=
= Karen

Ok, HOW?

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17:12 17.06.2003 -0400 skrev Terry Wild:
>--On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:58 PM -0400 lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>wrote:
>
>>Yesterday I made a birthday cake for myself.
>
>Happy Birthday!

And HB from me!

Espen

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14:20 17.06.2003 -0700 skrev Karen Kay:
>His goal after leaving the UN is to pick blueberries and mushrooms! My
>kind of guy!

But he is a Swede ...

Espen

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17:27 17.06.2003 -0400 skrev Terry Wild:
>Sunday 14th Rita Leonard  Sorry we missed it. Hope it was a good one!
>
>Wed. 17th Barbara Harminc and Mary Saviola
>
>Fri 19th Don Moore
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>Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
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>Happy Birthday to all and thanks again for the calendar, Sylvia!

And again from me!

Espen

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We are sailing on the proud ship Kriti II from Pireus to Heraklion on Sept. 8 and back on Kriti I on Sept. 30. Now the next step is to rent a car. Which I also have to do for our drive on our other trip: from Tromsø to the Norway/Russia border and back.

Espen

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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, steph wrote:
> The original:
> "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
> do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate challenge to
> create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
> reconnect with  peace there."


> My version:
> Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which we can
> grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
> of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
> which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
> and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
> peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.

> =
> = But it totally changed and obscured the meaning!
> =
> = Karen

> Ok, HOW?

Those "it".

Karen

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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> 14:20 17.06.2003 -0700 skrev Karen Kay:
>>His goal after leaving the UN is to pick blueberries and mushrooms! My
>>kind of guy!

> But he is a Swede ...

So?

Karen

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On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> I've never been sure what sort of oven was used in the development of
> recipes.  After lots of trial and error, my general rule of thumb is to
> reduce the cooking time by anywhere from 20 to 40%.  As an example, my
> favorite bread recipe calls for baking the bread at 400 F for about 45
> minutes.  Irrespective of whether I do the "white bread" version or my most
> recent whole-wheat with added grains, the two loaves come out pretty much
> perfect at 30 minutes.  And no, I don't have a high-tech oven---just a
> simple, electric, Kenmore.

I wonder if it's because commercial ovens tend to be bigger.

> I occasionally watch Emeril and note his admonishment to not "test" any
> baked things.  That's all well and good if one is cooking with a megabucks
> top-of-the-line Viking oven.  For the rest of us, it's still trial and
> error and definitely an art form.

What I learned from King Arthur is that the crust is formed in the
first 10 minutes, so testing any time after that doesn't affect the
outcome. This is a useful rule of thumb.

> (57 pages of bandwidth reserved for Tushar's rant on how cooking can never
> be an art or anything important, for that matter)

A good reminder that I need to go cook breakfast. It matters to me!

Karen

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> In a message dated 6/17/2003 2:33:50 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> >In other words, the making of the raisin cookies wasn't peaceful, so of
> >
> >course it didn't bring peace.
> >
> >
> >
> >Karen
> >
> >
> Ah, now I understand why my ex took off with another woman! It was her
> COOKING that did it... The dishes *I* brought to the table were
> just to keep the
> children healthy, and him from bitching about being hungry. I never minded
> cooking, but I never got a great deal of satisfaction from it
> either. My mother
> never baked cookies or cake; we just got them from the bakery at special
> occasions. For every day sweets at teatime the grocery store
> provided them.
> I realize that my environment was very different from the American way of
> life, so it doesn't *count*, right? Sorry people, but I couldn't
> resist! Theo

Without a doubt, the reason one of my friends manages to hold onto her
husband, is her cooking. She's absolutely amazing in the kitchen. They both
joke about it, but there's an underlying truth that is undeniable.

Sandra

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At 07:31 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>I wonder if it's because commercial ovens tend to be bigger.

Larger, yes---but many commercial bread ovens also are steam-injected,
convection types, which should make for faster baking.  Perhaps many of the
recipes were developed on older, gas-fired ovens.

>What I learned from King Arthur is that the crust is formed in the
>first 10 minutes, so testing any time after that doesn't affect the
>outcome.

True for bread; Lisa's problem was with a cake.

cwv

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, steph wrote:
> > The original:
> > "Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere of peace in
> > which we can grow more fully. As we become more peaceful cooks, so
> > do our lives become more peaceful. Peace is the ultimate
> challenge to
> > create, which in itself creates the ultimate joy. Peace is a power
> > within, and we who spend any time in the kitchen can
> > reconnect with  peace there."
>
>
> > My version:
> > Cooking in peace - with peace - creates an atmosphere in which
> we can
> > grow more fully.  As we become more peaceful cooks, the rest
> > of life follows.  Peace is the ultimate challenge to create,
> > which in itself creates the ultimate joy.  It is a power within,
> > and we who spend any time in the kitchen can use cooking in
> > peace, with peace, to reconnect with it there.
>
> > =
> > = But it totally changed and obscured the meaning!
> > =
> > = Karen
>
> > Ok, HOW?
>
> Those "it".

I disagree. It made it marginally less cloying.

Marie
   who generally does find the kitchen <soothing>

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> Without a doubt, the reason one of my friends manages to hold onto her
> husband, is her cooking. She's absolutely amazing in the kitchen.
> They both
> joke about it, but there's an underlying truth that is undeniable.

I couldn't stay married to someone throwing food on the table just to keep me from bitching. Of course, he coulda got off his own rump and made something, though. That's what sounded so old-fashioned about Theo's description.

Marie

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> I disagree. It made it marginally less cloying.

Then find your own quote, bitch.

Karen

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>I couldn't stay married to someone throwing food on the table just to keep
me from bitching.


>Marie

What could be ideal is the situation where both parties are talented in the
culinary arts ....

AS

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08:49 18.06.2003 -0400 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 07:31 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>I wonder if it's because commercial ovens tend to be bigger.
>
>Larger, yes---but many commercial bread ovens also are steam-injected,
>convection types, which should make for faster baking.  Perhaps many of the
>recipes were developed on older, gas-fired ovens.
>
>>What I learned from King Arthur is that the crust is formed in the
>>first 10 minutes, so testing any time after that doesn't affect the
>>outcome.
>
>True for bread; Lisa's problem was with a cake.

Wasn't it King Alfred who burned the cakes?

Espen

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> True for bread; Lisa's problem was with a cake.

I guess I can't talk about cakes. I eat cake rarely and haven't made one
in approximately a zillion years.

Karen

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>I guess I can't talk about cakes. I eat cake rarely and haven't made one in
approximately a zillion years.

And why not? This very same logic applies to little else discussed on this
<service>!

:)

AS

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At 02:14 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > --On Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:58 PM -0400 lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yesterday I made a birthday cake for myself.
> >
> > Happy Birthday!
>
>Don't think of cakes as just for birthdays!!! :)
>
>Sandra

Me? No? I think of cakes as dessert. The closest I can come is that the
chocolate cake with whipped cream is just for *my* birthday.

lisa

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At 02:13 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:

> > And I thought it was just me. I got the point of Karen's post but it
> > didn't read well to me.
> >
> > Thanks for your attempt Steph, it was a little easier on the eyes.
>
>But it totally changed and obscured the meaning!
>
>Karen

If I had only read Steph's, that would be true. Steph's attempt was simply
easier to read.

It doesn't really matter though because you like the quote. It' means
something to you and you should enjoy it, regardless of whether the rest of
us <get it>.

lisa

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Lynn:
> I say unappreciated because if you were to flash their
> pictures, individually or together, in front of the
> general public, I'll wager 80% of the public could not
> tell you who they were or cite any specifics about the
> bodies of their work.

And a higher percentage wouldn't be
able to identify Jonas Salk.  Tuff
nuts.

>  In this society, that is
> unappreciated.  WE may appreciate them, but like the
> law, the public "is a ass".

Just the way we like it, when it comes
to mawkish crap.

--
Richard          democracywhiskeysexy

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At 02:15 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > lisa
> >     32.
>
>YaY! Happy Birthday!
>
>I know My Polenta would be wishing you happy birthday, but he is done with
>e-mail for the day.
>
>Karen

:-)

Thank you and I did receive a birthday wish from your Polenta.

lisa

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> > I disagree. It made it marginally less cloying.
>
> Then find your own quote, bitch.
>
> Karen

May I quote you on that?


I once had a friend who used to tell people, when asked for a favorite quote,
"My favorite quote is from me and that was it."


BrP

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:00:51 -0400, lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> wrote:
>Thank you and I did receive a birthday wish from your Polenta.

I think I can sing "My Polenta" to the tune of "My Charonna"...

K

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>
> I say unappreciated because if you were to flash their
> pictures, individually or together, in front of the
> general public, I'll wager 80% of the public could not
> tell you who they were or cite any specifics about the
> bodies of their work.  In this society, that is
> unappreciated.  WE may appreciate them, but like the
> law, the public "is a ass".



There is a sense in which not being recognized is a compliment to an actor.  If the role
is played well, the character does not linger in the actor outside the role.


BrP

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>the tune of "My Charonna"...

Sharona.

AS 

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>>the tune of "My Charonna"...
>
> Sharona.

Thank you; I've never seen it written before.

Karen

"Ooh my little pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Polenta?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Polenta
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind. Always get it up for the touch
of the younger kind. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Polenta..."

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>> > I disagree. It made it marginally less cloying.
>>
>> Then find your own quote, bitch.
>>
>> Karen
>
> May I quote you on that?

Yes, of course.

> I once had a friend who used to tell people, when asked for a favorite
> quote, "My favorite quote is from me and that was it."

:)

Karen

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At 06:30 PM 6/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Lisa:
> >I like Duncan Hines
>
>Oooh, yeah.  When I'm too arsed to do it
>right, Mr. (Ms.?) Hines has done the job.
>
>I've also discovered that Surefine (I'm
>not certain if that's a regional brand
>or not) does that same job at considerably
>less expense.  I'll bet you can find the
>same stuff that comes out of the same mill,
>and I'll bet they sell it in MA.
>
> > Anyway, the box said to cook for 35-40 minutes.
>
>Righto.  The catch to the box mixes is that
>that have to be everything to everybody, so
>if you're cooking it as a sheet cake it's
>different from a layer cake is different
>from...  You get the idea.
>
>Gas or 'lectric?
>
>--
>short skirt, long jacket

Ok, ok, this is the deal...

I've successfully made DH cakes before.
This is the first time I've ever over cooked a boxed cake.
I've never made a DH cake in my gas oven before.
I get the "everything to everybody" concept, that's why I set the timer for
at least 5 minutes less than it said. Oh and the box is real nifty in that
it gives you estimated times based on what size pan your using.
The lesson I learned is, you cannot always have it your way, even on your
birthday. So next year I'll take whatever cake I get, if any at all, that I
do not have to make.

lisa
at least the lobster, shrimp, corn on the cob and garlic bread we had came
out perfect

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At 07:56 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > Ho Yeah. Thick as mosquitoes in places like the Caribbean. Often
> > paid to
> > stay away by the families.
>
>I found they also liked to follow the Grateful Dead (back when) --
>probably also following whatever jam band is big right now. Jersey kids
>with tons of money who could afford to do nothing and have money wired to
>them whenever they needed it.
>
>Trustafarian, by the way, was not a new one on me.
>
>Marie

Hmm. Who is, "the jam band" these days? If Phish is still touring, they get
my vote.

There's a great band around here, Entrain but you can't follow them all
that far as I don't think they go much past NYC.

Oh well, what different does it make, I won't be pulling up stakes and
asking my mother to send me money, not that she would.

lisa

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At 09:01 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.

Oh dear god please give me the strength not to make any more pussy jokes.

lisa


>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
>had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
>Newport

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> I've successfully made DH cakes before.

...and I have discovered that there
was a real Duncan Hines:

http://www.tvacres.com/admascots_hines.htm

> at least the lobster, shrimp, corn on the cob and garlic bread we had came
> out perfect

That's living.

--
Richard          democracywhiskeysexy

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Lisa:
> Hmm. Who is, "the jam band" these days? If Phish is still touring, they get
> my vote.

Widespread Panic?

These kids and their music nowadays...

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At 06:52 PM 6/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>I say unappreciated because if you were to flash their
>pictures, individually or together, in front of the
>general public, I'll wager 80% of the public could not
>tell you who they were or cite any specifics about the
>bodies of their work.  In this society, that is
>unappreciated.  WE may appreciate them, but like the
>law, the public "is a ass".

Everyone knows who Miss Daisy is so I think they'd at least recognize her
and a fair number of people would be able to tell you her name.

Hume on the other hand, IMO, was lesser known, at least to folks closer to
my age.

lisa



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At 10:21 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:

> > at least the lobster, shrimp, corn on the cob and garlic bread we had came
> > out perfect
>
>That's living.

Amen Brother.

lisa

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From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> Hmm. Who is, "the jam band" these days? If Phish is still touring,
> they get
> my vote.

Widespread Panic is the favorite of some of my old Dead Head. As is Phish, who are back together. A couple of others: Galactic, Deep Banana Blackout...

I'm sort of out of the loop on the "jam band" thing.

Marie

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> > I disagree. It made it marginally less cloying.
>
> Then find your own quote, bitch.
>
> Karen


:-)

Marie

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02003-06-17 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please
> desist.

Dan, kindly post the definition of bitch-slap. I really need to know
what it means.

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6/17/2003, 3:27 PM, Terry Wild wrote:


TW> Fri 19th Don Moore

TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc

    Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?



dan

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> Dan, kindly post the definition of bitch-slap. I really need to know
> what it means.

Dan, never mind. I will demonstrate next winter.

Karen

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> 6/17/2003, 3:27 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
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>
> TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>
> TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?

I don't know that Emily Harminc has ever posted to the list.

Karen

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At 11:20 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-17 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please
> > desist.
>
>Dan, kindly post the definition of bitch-slap. I really need to know
>what it means.

What the eff kinda pimp daddy are you?!

lisa

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6/17/2003, 4:28 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Thanks, Lisa. Karen, and other people with normal hearing, find it
>> difficult to understand deafness.

KK> Oh, bullshit. It's not deafness I don't understand, Theo.

    Just the rest of the world, huh?

dan

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> 6/17/2003, 4:28 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> Thanks, Lisa. Karen, and other people with normal hearing, find it
>>> difficult to understand deafness.
>
> KK> Oh, bullshit. It's not deafness I don't understand, Theo.
>
>     Just the rest of the world, huh?

No, I have a pretty good grasp on much of the world.

Karen

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6/17/2003, 5:08 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> Oh, fear not.  Now that you have
hpv> Carly Fiorina on the job at HP,
hpv> you'll have losses to pass unto
hpv> the seventh generation.

 Well, we only have enough for a few more years, as Gail sold most of
 it when she did the early retirement.  And, she'd never accumulated
 large quantities of company stock.  Most was sold as she went along
 after complying with the requirements for company match and long term
 capital gains.  Back when there WERE gains.


dan

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6/17/2003, 5:08 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> Oh, fear not.  Now that you have
hpv> Carly Fiorina on the job at HP,
hpv> you'll have losses to pass unto
hpv> the seventh generation.

  Don't get us started on Carly, the queen ice bitch from hell. That's
  one of the reasons Gail took the early retirement option.

dan

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02003-06-17 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > HilariousGod, I love Conan!
>
> Calling Tushar!

For WHAT?

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At 10:22 AM 6/18/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/17/2003, 3:27 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
>
>
>TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>
>TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?

Elaine checks in occasionally and briefly; I don't think I've ever seen a
post from the other two.


cwv

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> 02003-06-17 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > HilariousGod, I love Conan!
>>
>> Calling Tushar!
>
> For WHAT?

Because you are such an unabashed FAN of Conan.

Karen

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I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you
and "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we
both cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?

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> I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
> with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
> cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you
> and "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we
> both cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
> the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
> mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
> great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?

This guy is seriously deluded.

But really, I think you're making this up.

Karen

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> >TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
> >
> >     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
>
> Elaine checks in occasionally and briefly; I don't think I've ever
> seen a
> post from the other two.

I don't think Emily Harminc has *ever* posted to words-l !!

Maybe soon, though. She's probably nine or ten by now.

Marie

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>   Don't get us started on Carly, the queen ice bitch from hell.

Hey, we all have faults.  But
viewed from the correct angle,
she's pretty hot.

I have <issues> with the way she
ran Lucent into the ground, then
jumped ship.  If I may be allowed
to mix metaphors.

--
Richard          democracywhiskeysexy


 That's
>   one of the reasons Gail took the early retirement option.
>
> dan
>

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A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!

Betty

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> A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!

I hope you didn't drive afterwards!

Karen

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6/18/2003, 7:42 AM, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>>I guess I can't talk about cakes. I eat cake rarely and haven't made one in
ABS> approximately a zillion years.

ABS> And why not? This very same logic applies to little else discussed on this
ABS> <service>!

  you took the words right out of my mouth....it musta been when I was
  kissing you....

dan

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6/18/2003, 8:31 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

la> at least the lobster, shrimp, corn on the cob and garlic bread we had came
la> out perfect

In which case you don't need no steenkin' cake.

dan

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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 10:22, Dan Lester wrote:

> TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>
> TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc

Friday's the 20th on my calendar...

>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?

Emily's certainly around, but she's never posted to the list. She
turns 9(!) this year. I think she's still a bit young for WORDS-L.

I haven't seen Elaine for a few years now.

Tony H.

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6/18/2003, 8:52 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

la> At 09:01 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.

la> Oh dear god please give me the strength not to make any more pussy jokes.

     Please lose the strength.  We could use some good pussy jokes
     around here.

dan

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> A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!
>
> Betty

I assume you don't mean as in "back yard"

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6/18/2003, 10:20 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-06-17 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
>> Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please
>> desist.

TS> Dan, kindly post the definition of bitch-slap. I really need to know
TS> what it means.

Your wish is my command.  For once.

bitch-slap, v.

slang (orig. U.S.).

   trans. To deliver a stinging slap to (a person), esp. in order to
   humiliate one regarded as inferior. Also fig.

  1991 San Diego Union-Tribune (Nexis) 13 Dec. E1 Lines trip forth [in
  the film The Last Boy Scout]... ‘If this creep shows up, I'll bitch-slap
  him.’ 1993 H. STERN Private Parts xi. 274 He knows I've bitch-slapped
  him a few times on the radio. 2000 Daily Tel. 7 Nov. 28/5 His antagonist,
  apparently not hurt, spent the rest of the party boasting gleefully to
  anyone who would listen: ‘I've just been bitch-slapped by Johnny Rotten!’



    bitch-slapping a.

   1991 Time 30 Sept. 82 The Gunners, while clinging to their trademark
   *bitch-slapping posturing, have also introduced such engaging new subjects
   as bondage, the lure of homicide and the pleasures of drug-induced comas.
   2002 Vancouver Sun (Nexis) 12 Apr. F4 What this movie needed was a real
   drag queensome fast-talking, bitch-slapping, coke-snorting comic relief.




dan

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6/18/2003, 10:23 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>>
>> TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>>
>>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?

KK> I don't know that Emily Harminc has ever posted to the list.

    Probably right.  I was thinking of the "other Emily" whose last
    name I've forgotten.

dan

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> 6/18/2003, 10:23 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>>>
>>> TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>>>
>>>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
>
> KK> I don't know that Emily Harminc has ever posted to the list.
>
>     Probably right.  I was thinking of the "other Emily" whose last name
> I've forgotten.

Horning


Karen

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6/18/2003, 10:36 AM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

>>TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>>
>>TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>>
>>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?

cwv> Elaine checks in occasionally and briefly; I don't think I've ever seen a
cwv> post from the other two.

     Don was an old mainframe guy from Florida, who retired about 93
     or 94, and who kept in touch some thereafter.  He and his wife
     and daughter visited us in Boise around then.  And know his
     daughter later got married.  Recall the discussion he started
     when wanting to know what it meant when his daughter said she got
     a "pearl necklace" from her boyfriend.


dan

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> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 10:22, Dan Lester wrote:
>
> > TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
> >
> > TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
> Friday's the 20th on my calendar...
>
> >     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
>
> Emily's certainly around, but she's never posted to the list. She
> turns 9(!) this year. I think she's still a bit young for WORDS-L.


*gulp*   9 ?   Wish her a happy one from me (even though she wouldn't remember
me).


> Tony H.

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At 10:22 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!
>
>I hope you didn't drive afterwards!

We didn't bother to rent a car. Took the bus to Freemont Street and strip area.

O' Cirque du Soleil was wonderful.  We also very much enjoyed La
Cage.  Joan Rivers never looked so good.

Did I miss anything good?

Betty

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6/18/2003, 11:19 AM, human powered vehicle wrote:

>>   Don't get us started on Carly, the queen ice bitch from hell.

hpv> Hey, we all have faults.  But
hpv> viewed from the correct angle,
hpv> she's pretty hot.

If you say so.  To each his own, and all that.

hpv> I have <issues> with the way she
hpv> ran Lucent into the ground, then
hpv> jumped ship.  If I may be allowed
hpv> to mix metaphors.

Just say that she ran Lucent aground and then jumped ship.  One
metaphor.



dan

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6/18/2003, 11:30 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>>>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
>>
>> KK> I don't know that Emily Harminc has ever posted to the list.
>>
>>     Probably right.  I was thinking of the "other Emily" whose last name
>> I've forgotten.

KK> Horning

     Thanks.  So has anyone heard from her?

dan

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> 6/18/2003, 11:30 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>>>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
> >>
> >> KK> I don't know that Emily Harminc has ever posted to the list.
> >>
> >>     Probably right.  I was thinking of the "other Emily" whose last name
> >> I've forgotten.
>
> KK> Horning
>
>      Thanks.  So has anyone heard from her?
>
> dan

http://www.words-l.org/images/snowbash2003/


BrP

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  Joan Rivers never looked so good.
> Betty


Are you serious?  When I've seen her on TV
in the last year I've thought she has never looked so horrible.

                        - D. M.

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At 01:27 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!
> >
> > Betty
>
>I assume you don't mean as in "back yard"

You assumed correctly.  Some of those glasses were really tall.  I had to
set it on the floor in order to drink.

Betty

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> At 01:27 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>> > A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!
>> >
>> > Betty
>>
>>I assume you don't mean as in "back yard"
>
> You assumed correctly.  Some of those glasses were really tall.

Maybe like 3 feet?:)

Karen

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At 12:45 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>   Joan Rivers never looked so good.
> > Betty
>
>
>Are you serious?  When I've seen her on TV
>in the last year I've thought she has never looked so horrible.
>
>                         - D. M.

It was a female impersonator show.

Betty

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At 10:47 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > At 01:27 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >> > A new, to me, way to drink margaritas!
> >> >
> >> > Betty
> >>
> >>I assume you don't mean as in "back yard"
> >
> > You assumed correctly.  Some of those glasses were really tall.
>
>Maybe like 3 feet?:)

Almost as tall as you!

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 6:58:44 AM, 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

>Marie
>   who generally does find the kitchen <soothing>
>
Hmmm soothing huh? No, I cannot think of it that way. Perhaps because the one
in this house is very tiny.
My previous one was large, and I would generally spend all day in it, but as
I am not creative in the kitchen, I do not miss it.
This one too has an electric stove which I dislike because I prefer gas ones.
When I DO bake something I use the toaster oven. It's a nice big size which
takes care of all my baking needs.
Just did my good deed for the day; rescued a baby bird from ms kitty! She
hadn't hurt it yet, but was using it to play with. The poor thing was franticly
trying to get away from her, but I managed to get it after she brought it into
the house. Theo (who never eats breakfast!)

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02003-06-18 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 11:20 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-17 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> >> Dan, Are you going to give definitions to every word on the list? Please
> >> desist.
> >
> >Dan, kindly post the definition of bitch-slap. I really need to know
> >what it means.
>
> What the eff kinda pimp daddy are you?!

There is no need to hate.

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It's always Joan Rivers or Cher




>
> It was a female impersonator show.
>
> Betty

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> It's always Joan Rivers or Cher

Which are you?:)

Karen

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At 02:08 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>It's always Joan Rivers or Cher

This was an entire show so no one was excluded. (Bette Midler,  Liza , Tina
Turner, Judy Garland, Diana Ross, Tammy, Patti Lebelle. I can't remember
them all.  Oh, they added Michael Jackson which was fun.

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> > It's always Joan Rivers or Cher
>
> Which are you?:)
>
> Karen

Why me?

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>> > It's always Joan Rivers or Cher
>>
>> Which are you?:)
>>
>> Karen
>
> Why me?

Well, you seem to know more about than I do...

Karen

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>
> This was an entire show so no one was excluded. (Bette Midler,  Liza , Tina
> Turner, Judy Garland, Diana Ross, Tammy, Patti Lebelle. I can't remember
> them all.  Oh, they added Michael Jackson which was fun.

I really dislike most drag - a terrible admission for a gay man - but so much of it is
just plain poor entertainment.  It isn't the dressing up thing.  I really really despise lip
synch.


BrP

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02003-06-18 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> bitch-slap, v.
>
> slang (orig. U.S.).
>
>    trans. To deliver a stinging slap to (a person), esp. in order to
>    humiliate one regarded as inferior. Also fig.
>
>   1991 San Diego Union-Tribune (Nexis) 13 Dec. E1 Lines trip forth [in
>   the film The Last Boy Scout]... ‘If this creep shows up, I'll bitch-slap
>   him.’ 1993 H. STERN Private Parts xi. 274 He knows I've bitch-slapped
>   him a few times on the radio. 2000 Daily Tel. 7 Nov. 28/5 His antagonist,
>   apparently not hurt, spent the rest of the party boasting gleefully to
>   anyone who would listen: ‘I've just been bitch-slapped by Johnny Rotten!’
>
>
>
>     bitch-slapping a.
>
>    1991 Time 30 Sept. 82 The Gunners, while clinging to their trademark
>    *bitch-slapping posturing, have also introduced such engaging new subjects
>    as bondage, the lure of homicide and the pleasures of drug-induced comas.
>    2002 Vancouver Sun (Nexis) 12 Apr. F4 What this movie needed was a real
>    drag queensome fast-talking, bitch-slapping, coke-snorting comic relief.

Thank you, Dan.

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At 11:24 AM 6/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>6/18/2003, 8:31 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>la> at least the lobster, shrimp, corn on the cob and garlic bread we had came
>la> out perfect
>
>In which case you don't need no steenkin' cake.
>
>dan

Ahh yeah but it wasn't a question of *needing*.

lisa

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At 02:24 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >
> > This was an entire show so no one was excluded. (Bette Midler,  Liza , Tina
> > Turner, Judy Garland, Diana Ross, Tammy, Patti Lebelle. I can't remember
> > them all.  Oh, they added Michael Jackson which was fun.
>
>I really dislike most drag - a terrible admission for a gay man - but so
>much of it is
>just plain poor entertainment.  It isn't the dressing up thing.  I really
>really despise lip
>synch.

Probably but this show is pretty good entertainment.

Betty

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02003-06-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 02:24 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >>
> >> This was an entire show so no one was excluded. (Bette Midler, Liza, Tina
> >> Turner, Judy Garland, Diana Ross, Tammy, Patti Lebelle. I can't remember
> >> them all.  Oh, they added Michael Jackson which was fun.
> >
> >I really dislike most drag - a terrible admission for a gay man - but so
> >much of it is
> >just plain poor entertainment.  It isn't the dressing up thing.  I really
> >really despise lip
> >synch.
>
> Probably but this show is pretty good entertainment.

Sounds to me like it sucks ...

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02003-06-18 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/18/2003, 8:52 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> la> At 09:01 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >>I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.
>
> la> Oh dear god please give me the strength not to make any more pussy jokes.
>
>      Please lose the strength.  We could use some good pussy jokes
>      around here.

"Give me the strength not to make a joke" means "I don't have a joke".

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02003-06-17 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > Stop flirting with me. Aren't you married or something? I swan.
>
> Keeping my options open (dynamic, so to speak).

Piss off, homewrecker!

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02003-06-18 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > 02003-06-17 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > HilariousGod, I love Conan!
> >>
> >> Calling Tushar!
> >
> > For WHAT?
>
> Because you are such an unabashed FAN of Conan.

I loved that speech! It was hilarious!

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02003-06-18 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
> > with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
> > cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you
> > and "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we
> > both cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
> > the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
> > mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
> > great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?
>
> This guy is seriously deluded.

Thank you for the explanation. I had several alternative theories,
but this one shines with the light of truth.

> But really, I think you're making this up.

With what motive?

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I meant to sign it
> Karen
  the untweakable


Karen
the untweakable

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> At 11:40 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>>To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been
>> renewed through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So there!
>>
>>Karen
>
> Fantastic!

I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."

Karen

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> 02003-06-18 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> > I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
>> > with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
>> > cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you and
>> "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we both
>> cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
>> > the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
>> > mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
>> > great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?
>>
>> This guy is seriously deluded.
>
> Thank you for the explanation. I had several alternative theories, but
> this one shines with the light of truth.

You're welcome.

>> But really, I think you're making this up.
>
> With what motive?

To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So there!

Karen

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At 01:34 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>Sounds to me like it sucks ...

Who axed you?

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At 11:40 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
>through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So there!
>
>Karen

Fantastic!

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At 11:49 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > At 11:40 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been
> >> renewed through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So there!
> >>
> >>Karen
> >
> > Fantastic!
>
>I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."

Your "Sweet Polenta"?  Should I read the archives?

Betty

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At 11:42 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
>with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
>cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you
>and "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we
>both cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
>the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
>mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
>great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?

What did you cook?

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> At 11:49 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > At 11:40 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been
>> >> renewed through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So
>> there!
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>> >
>> > Fantastic!
>>
>>I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."
>
> Your "Sweet Polenta"?  Should I read the archives?

It's my new name for ET #1.

Karen

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> Your "Sweet Polenta"?  Should I read the archives?
>
> Betty

You could but you won't find it there.

:-)



BrP

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> At 11:42 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
>>with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
>>cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you
>>and "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we
>>both cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
>>the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
>>mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
>>great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?
>
> What did you cook?

A big ol' pot of diegesis! Yum!

Karen

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> > What did you cook?
>
> A big ol' pot of diegesis! Yum!
>
> Karen

It would make a great name for a decadent dessert.

Diet???? Jesus!!!

BrP

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At 11:57 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Your "Sweet Polenta"?  Should I read the archives?
>
>It's my new name for ET #1.
>
>Karen

This is getting too complicated. I have a terrible time remembering names.
ET and now SP?  Let's combine them and make ESP.

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At 02:57 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
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> > Your "Sweet Polenta"?  Should I read the archives?
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> > Betty
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>You could but you won't find it there.
>
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>BrP
>
>   mushy but firm

Ah!  I thought it was perhaps another "New Friend".

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> At 11:57 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Your "Sweet Polenta"?  Should I read the archives?
>>
>>It's my new name for ET #1.
>>
>>Karen
>
> This is getting too complicated. I have a terrible time remembering
> names. ET and now SP?  Let's combine them and make ESP.

Extra Special Paul! Okay. But he does have ESP, too.

Karen

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> Extra Special Paul! Okay. But he does have ESP, too.
>
> Karen

I knew you were going to say that

:-)

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>>
>> Extra Special Paul! Okay. But he does have ESP, too.
>>
>> Karen
>
> I knew you were going to say that
>
> :-)

Of course you did, dear.

Your Scrapple

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 7:14:25 AM, 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

>I couldn't stay married to someone throwing food on the table just to keep
>me from bitching. Of course, he coulda got off his own rump and made
something,
>though. That's what sounded so old-fashioned about Theo's description.
>
Well, what else do you expect from an "old" woman? I guess that's what men
married for in the "olden days" huh? Cook, clean, and let's not forget sex! Him
cook? You got to be dreaming!
I'm going out to dinner tonight with my dau. We've found this place that
serves other than just ordinary dishes to keep you alive.
Going back to the past, that was another difference that separated us. He was
what you call a *meat and potato* guy, whereas I'm into the more exotic
stuff. The one thing I love is Indonesian food that's not available around here,
alas. I've found a mail-order place that sells some of the spices, but my
home-made Indonesian dishes can't compare with the *real* thing! :-(
Just writing about it makes me wish for it. That's the difference imo about
eating to keep from starving and *enjoying* what you eat.
If there's any *peace* in cooking, than I could consider that variety to be,
because it would please me, and therefor be peaceful.
BTW Steph, are these places still around everywhere? Theo

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Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> >I couldn't stay married to someone throwing food on the table just to keep
> me from bitching.
>
> >Marie
>
> What could be ideal is the situation where both parties are talented in the
> culinary arts ....
>
> AS

Two cooks in one family?  What a notion. What if both wanted to cook on
the same night? What if they can't keep their hands off each other and
the house burns down?

--
Sylvia Edwards
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Sly:
=
= Two cooks in one family?  What a notion. What if both wanted to cook on
= the same night? What if they can't keep their hands off each other and
= the house burns down?

It's a delacate dance in the kitchen when we're both cooking.
That's why I like to sit at the table and do the prep and let Pat
do the cooking.

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= BTW Steph, are these places still around everywhere? Theo

if you mean indonesion places all around amsterdam, then yes.

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Dan Lester:
= 6/17/2003, 3:27 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
=
=
= TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
=
= TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
=
=     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
=
= dan

Elaine's around.  She's got a blog, but I don't have the url
handy.  She's doing XML stuff, and con stuff.  It's been about a
year since I last saw her, I think.  She pops in here once in a
while to say hi.

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Dan Lester wrote:

>
>      Don was an old mainframe guy from Florida, who retired about 93
>      or 94, and who kept in touch some thereafter.

    Peace, Don, from the Pasco jungles!

> He and his wife
>      and daughter visited us in Boise around then.  And know his
>      daughter later got married.

    Joy, wasn't that her name?  Married some guy in the Air Force.

> Recall the discussion he started
>      when wanting to know what it meant when his daughter said she got
>      a "pearl necklace" from her boyfriend.

    He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen cleaner, anyway.

JMW

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So, the story goes that the first cake mixes in the late '40s had powdered
egg in them, but it soon became apparent that mixes that called for fresh
eggs were much more popular.

The guesses are that either "just add water" seemed too good to be true, or
that the act of breaking and adding eggs made it seem more like you were
actually participating in baking.

Pete

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>> Recall the discussion he started
>>      when wanting to know what it meant when his daughter said she got
>> a "pearl necklace" from her boyfriend.
>
>     He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
> cleaner, anyway.

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't that she got one from her boyfriend, but
that someone hit on her and offered to give her one, and she asked him
what it meant and he asked us.

Karen

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:20:47 -0400
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>> TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
> Friday's the 20th on my calendar...

Of course, how silly of me, I should have left the days off.


>
>>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
>
> Emily's certainly around, but she's never posted to the list. She
> turns 9(!) this year. I think she's still a bit young for WORDS-L.
>

It's never too early to recruit.

Does she have a Words-L t-shirt?

>
> Tony H.

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Can anyone explain the concept of "free vote" to me ?

BrP

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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:20, Terry Wild wrote:

> > Emily's certainly around, but she's never posted to the list. She
> > turns 9(!) this year. I think she's still a bit young for WORDS-L.

> It's never too early to recruit.
>
> Does she have a Words-L t-shirt?

Yes - a couple. One is even too small for her (there was one year
when we got a genuine child's small that was still way too big at the
time), but mostly we have adult sizes that Little Simon(tm) wears to
bed.

Tony H.

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After much asking and nagging and begging, I finally set up
Ana's first riding lesson at a place just over the river in
Illinois.  Today she met an old chestnut pony named B.J.,
learned how to brush him, watched mom tack him up, and took
her very first lesson.  I must say, the kid has a pretty
nice natural seat.  It was fun to watch the beginning riders
(one of which was a woman in her 50's) panic over trotting
for a few yards.

Like every stable at which I have ever ridden, the place is
run by a single woman.  It isn't the fanciest, but the
horses are clean, kindness to the animals is stressed, and
the girls are encouraged to show up and do some work around
the barn between lessons, which I think is the only way to
acquire some horse sense.

Ana is hooked.  There goes my big summer paycheck.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:01 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.
>
>
> Oh dear god please give me the strength not to make any more pussy jokes.


        Oh, the cruel ironies!


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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BrP writes,

>Can anyone explain the concept of "free vote" to me ?

Sorry to dump book knowledge on you instead of personal knowledge, but I
got an interesting parliamentary architecture comment on my blog recently,
so am in the looking-up mood:

free vote.  Non-procedural term, meaning a vote during which party
discipline is not imposed on individual Members.  Votes on private Members'
business are usually conducted as free votes.

Compare:  party vote.
Synonym:  unwhipped vote.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/process/house/glossary/Glossary-e.htm

Pete

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:19:41 -0400
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> Yes - a couple. One is even too small for her (there was one year
> when we got a genuine child's small that was still way too big at the
> time), but mostly we have adult sizes that Little Simon(tm) wears to
> bed.
>
> Tony H.

And how 'little' is Little Simon(tm)?

I think the children of Wordslers can be considered honorary members as
their lives have been directly affected by Words-L.

Terry

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:42:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
<<
Yeah, I was wondering about that.  Maybe he was practicing!

>>

Well, he got Sweetie upset; she was tearing around the apartment
as if the devil himself were after her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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>And how 'little' is Little Simon(tm)?


>I think the children of Wordslers can be considered honorary >members as
their lives have been directly affected by Words-L.


>Terry

You just may have a point there. :).

"Wordslers: The Next Generation"

AS, mother of Master Carl (tm), age 6.5 (4'1", 62 lbs.)

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Sly:
=
= Two cooks in one family?  What a notion. What if both wanted to cook on
= the same night? What if they can't keep their hands off each other and
= the house burns down?


>It's a delacate dance in the kitchen when we're both cooking.
>That's why I like to sit at the table and do the prep and let Pat
>do the cooking.

Delicate how? In the possibilty of *Piece* and Cooking? :)
Or some chefs' ego syndrome?
Or the "Too Many Chefs" syndrome?

:) :)

AS

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:40:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today.
>>

Congratulations!

Maybe this will result in a permanent job.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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> In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:40:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
> karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
> through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today.
>>>
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Maybe this will result in a permanent job.

Although I could use the health insurance... I think I'd rather contract.
I like the level of involvement.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:31:44 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

>if you mean indonesion places all around amsterdam, then yes.
------
Dammit, why can't any of them be around here? Perhaps on the coast?
Anyone know? Wondering Theo

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:33:04 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

>It's a delacate dance in the kitchen when we're both cooking.
>That's why I like to sit at the table and do the prep and let Pat
>do the cooking.
>
Can't imagine 2 cooks in this tiny kitchen, but I DO keep a fire extinguisher
on the counter just in case :-)

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Theo:

>Can't imagine 2 cooks in this tiny kitchen, but I DO keep a fire
extinguisher on the counter just in case :-)

Never hurts to plan for the range (huhuhuhuhuh) of possibilities!

AS

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--On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:21 PM -0500 Amy Burns Short
<amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> wrote:

> AS, mother of Master Carl (tm), age 6.5 (4'1", 62 lbs.)


A strapping young man! Is he finishing Kindergarten or 1st Grade?

Terry

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Pete:
> actually participating in baking.

A mix I used recently had instructions for
bakers with a mechanical mixer ("2 minutes",
or somesuch) and those who do it by hand
("approximately 400 turns", ibid.).

That concrete number was right in this
compulsive's wheelhouse, all rainmanian,
yeah.

1, 2, ...

--
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02003-06-18 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > With what motive?
>
> To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
> through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So there!

I feel I have connected with peace .. or something.

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> So, the story goes that the first cake mixes in the late '40s

My mom used to make us what she called
(I think) "flourless cake", some kind
of thing they made during the Depression
and the war that you, basically, conjured
up out of nothing.

Like, cocoa powder, baking soda, and an
egg or something.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

--
Richard          democracywhiskeysexy

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> To TWEAK me. But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
> through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today. So there!
>
> Karen

YaY!!
clo

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02003-06-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 11:42 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I know a guy who talks and talks and talks about reconnecting
> >with peace in the kitchen. By the way, that's NOT the same as
> >cooking bringing peace, because, like, the peace is within you
> >and "bringing" implies it's not. One day he was visiting and we
> >both cooked. The whole time, this guy ran around like--what's
> >the word--some decapitated fowl, threw four fits and made a
> >mess. And the amazing thing is, AFTER that he says, isn't it
> >great how peaceful and focussed one can be while cooking?
>
> What did you cook?

I don't remember. It probably wasn't anything great since he is
a vegetarian of the highest degree and HATES oil ... how do you
hate "oil"?

The most interesting thing, however, is that he never made any
such "peace" claims about his violin playing--and yet that's
exactly when he was most focussed ... And he certainly played
extremely well. Got himself into the university orchestra just
by playing by ear ...

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02003-06-18 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 01:34 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Sounds to me like it sucks ...
>
> Who axed you?

Aha, proof that I was right!

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02003-06-18 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> lisa alfieri wrote:
> >At 09:01 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >>I wonder what that guy thought yesterday, flashing in front of a cat.
> >
> >
> >Oh dear god please give me the strength not to make any more pussy jokes.
>
>
>        Oh, the cruel ironies!

You mean like a girl saying this? This is the 90s, girlfriend

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > > Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.
> >
> > > And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
> >
> > You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.
>
> Nobody compliments me like this. But not because they aren't
> butt-kissers. It's just that they don't realize this is a
> compliment.
>

*sigh*
No, Tushar, there's another reason.
clo

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At 04:16 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:

>Delicate how?

Not so much an ego as a space problem.  Most domestic kitchens are designed
(intentionally or implicity) to support the one-cook model.  The situation
of two (or more) adults, all trying to use counter space, retrieve things
from cupboards, access the refrigerator, stir things on the stove, etc.,
becomes untenable unless a lot of planning takes place
beforehand.  Moreover, the principal cook will have organized shelves,
drawers, and counter space to suit him/herself---and no two people have the
same notion of what is efficient/effective use of space.

cwv

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02003-06-18 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > 02003-06-15 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > On Sunday, June 15, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> > > > Relax, enjoy, pro-<card> people. I shall be gone Mon-Fri.
> > >
> > > > And I'll try to remember never to discuss <cards> again.
> > >
> > > You excel at missing the point of conversations, Bethany.
> >
> > Nobody compliments me like this. But not because they aren't
> > butt-kissers. It's just that they don't realize this is a
> > compliment.
>
> *sigh*
> No, Tushar, there's another reason.

You excel at missing the point of conversations, "clo".

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At 07:42 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
Not so much an ego as a space problem.  Most domestic kitchens are designed
>(intentionally or implicity) to support the one-cook model.  The situation
>of two (or more) adults, all trying to use counter space, retrieve things
>from cupboards, access the refrigerator, stir things on the stove, etc.,
>becomes untenable unless a lot of planning takes place
>beforehand.  Moreover, the principal cook will have organized shelves,
>drawers, and counter space to suit him/herself---and no two people have the
>same notion of what is efficient/effective use of space.

Our kitchen  is definitely a one man area. No problem here.

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What is Farmer's Cheese?  I've seen it everywhere lately,
including the menu of our favorite Indian place tonight. I
swear I'd never heard of the stuff before this year.  Is
this a new name for an old cheese, or some new trendy cheese?
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>     He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
> cleaner, anyway.

All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn. I thought she was his
step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > *sigh*
> > No, Tushar, there's another reason.
>
> You excel at missing the point of conversations, "clo".
>

Hell, I excel at missing the whole conversation - where have you been?

clo

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02003-06-18 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > *sigh*
> > > No, Tushar, there's another reason.
> >
> > You excel at missing the point of conversations, "clo".
> >
>
> Hell, I excel at missing the whole conversation - where have you been?

Sorry, could you repeat that, I wasn't listening.

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02003-06-18 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >     He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
> > cleaner, anyway.
>
> All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn. I thought she was his
> step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.

Well, Rita flamed his ass all right...good job...I learned
a lot from Rita (ice queen) that week--aint nobody above a
ass whooping, aint nothing above a cheap laugh

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 07:42 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> Not so much an ego as a space problem.  Most domestic kitchens are designed
> >(intentionally or implicity) to support the one-cook model.  The situation

> Our kitchen  is definitely a one man area. No problem here.

I'd love to have a man in the kitchen.  The present arrangement is not
working well.  Left overs- left overs- left overs.   Where's a good
kitchen man when you need one?


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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At 08:22 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>I'd love to have a man in the kitchen.  The present arrangement is not
>working well.  Left overs- left overs- left overs.   Where's a good
>kitchen man when you need one?

Did Keith used to cook, Sylvia? I love left-overs.  Maybe you need Janet to
write one of those ads for you. <g>    Have kitchen, need chef.

B

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 08:22 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> >I'd love to have a man in the kitchen.  The present arrangement is not
> >working well.  Left overs- left overs- left overs.   Where's a good
> >kitchen man when you need one?
>
> Did Keith used to cook, Sylvia? I love left-overs.  Maybe you need Janet to
> write one of those ads for you. <g>    Have kitchen, need chef.
>
> B

No, I was the cook. I'm still the cook and I'm tired of the chore and
would love to turn it over to someone else.

Let's see, Have kitchen AND boat .

Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> What is Farmer's Cheese?

A poor man's ricotta.

> Is this a new name for an old cheese, or some new trendy cheese?

AFAIK, it's an old name for an old cheese. It's been around at least
aslong as I have, probably longer.

Karen
feeling her age

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--- human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
wrote:



> And a higher percentage wouldn't be
> able to identify Jonas Salk.  Tuff
> nuts.

I don't believe Dr. Salk's physical appearance or
stage presence counted much in the story of his
success

> Just the way we like it, when it comes
> to mawkish crap.

Mawkish?  Come now.
>
> --
> Richard          democracywhiskeysexy



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At 08:43 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>No, I was the cook. I'm still the cook and I'm tired of the chore and
>would love to turn it over to someone else.
>
>Let's see, Have kitchen AND boat .

Now you're talking! How big is the boat?

Betty

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--- "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
wrote:
> >
> > I say unappreciated because if you were to flash
> their
> > pictures, individually or together, in front of
> the
> > general public, I'll wager 80% of the public could
> not
> > tell you who they were or cite any specifics about
> the
> > bodies of their work.  In this society, that is
> > unappreciated.  WE may appreciate them, but like
> the
> > law, the public "is a ass".
>
>
>
> There is a sense in which not being recognized is a
> compliment to an actor.  If the role
> is played well, the character does not linger in the
> actor outside the role.
>
>
> BrP

Granted.  Quite so.


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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> What is Farmer's Cheese?  I've seen it everywhere lately,
> including the menu of our favorite Indian place tonight. I
> swear I'd never heard of the stuff before this year.  Is
> this a new name for an old cheese, or some new trendy cheese?
> --


I have eaten it for years. It's the base cheese that you get if you don't
do other fancy cheese stuff - smoother than cottage cheese, more grainy
than cream cheese, very mild, a "young" soft cheese. I used to buy it at
the sell date for half price, then freeze a bunch. When thawed, it was the
consistency of feta, but infinitely cheaper.

clo

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At 10:09 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
> > > He and his wife
> > >      and daughter visited us in Boise around then.  And know his
> > >      daughter later got married.
> >
> >    Joy, wasn't that her name?  Married some guy in the Air Force.
>
>Dawn.

You're the one for me!

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> > He and his wife
> >      and daughter visited us in Boise around then.  And know his
> >      daughter later got married.
>
>    Joy, wasn't that her name?  Married some guy in the Air Force.

Dawn.

Marie

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----- Original Message -----
From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> My mom used to make us what she called
> (I think) "flourless cake", some kind
> of thing they made during the Depression
> and the war that you, basically, conjured
> up out of nothing.
>
> Like, cocoa powder, baking soda, and an
> egg or something.
>
> Anyone know what I'm talking about?

There are lots of flourless chocolate cakes. Great for Passover!

Marie

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-18 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>
>>>    He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
>>>cleaner, anyway.
>>>
>>All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn. I thought she was his
>>step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.
>>
>
> Well, Rita flamed his ass all right...good job...I learned
> a lot from Rita (ice queen) that week--aint nobody above a
> ass whooping, aint nothing above a cheap laugh


I did no such thing.




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clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:


> I have eaten it for years. It's the base cheese that you get if you don't
> do other fancy cheese stuff - smoother than cottage cheese, more grainy
> than cream cheese, very mild, a "young" soft cheese. I used to buy it at
> the sell date for half price, then freeze a bunch. When thawed, it was the
> consistency of feta, but infinitely cheaper.


        It doesn't sound as though it tastes anything like feta, though.




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6/18/2003, 2:19 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Recall the discussion he started
>>>      when wanting to know what it meant when his daughter said she got
>>> a "pearl necklace" from her boyfriend.
>>
>>     He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
>> cleaner, anyway.

KK> I'm pretty sure that it wasn't that she got one from her boyfriend, but
KK> that someone hit on her and offered to give her one, and she asked him
KK> what it meant and he asked us.

   I don't think so.  But I could be wrong. She was certainly a young
   woman ideally created for such.  And when she was out here she was
   certainly 16 going on 23.

dan

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6/18/2003, 6:48 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>     He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
>> cleaner, anyway.

AH> All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn.

That is for damn sure.  Hard to forget that girl, huh?

AH> I thought she was his
AH> step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.

Yes, think she was, indeed.  I never got bad vibes other than he was
old and conservative, ex military.  She was young, hot, and wild.

dan

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02003-06-18 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >02003-06-18 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >
> >>>   He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
> >>>cleaner, anyway.
> >>>
> >>All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn. I thought she was his
> >>step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.
> >>
> >
> >Well, Rita flamed his ass all right...good job...I learned
> >a lot from Rita (ice queen) that week--aint nobody above a
> >ass whooping, aint nothing above a cheap laugh
>
> I did no such thing.

Did I ask you to speak? Because I don't recall asking you to speak

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At 03:51 PM 6/14/2003 +0200, steph wrote:

>This picture gives you an idea of how wide the street is:
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg

What a great looking street. The cars on the other side of the building?

Betty

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02003-06-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> wrote:
>
> > And a higher percentage wouldn't be
> > able to identify Jonas Salk.  Tuff
> > nuts.
>
> I don't believe Dr. Salk's physical appearance or
> stage presence counted much in the story of his
> success
>
> > Just the way we like it, when it comes
> > to mawkish crap.
>
> Mawkish?  Come now.

Nice quoting!

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> AS, mother of Master Carl (tm), age 6.5 (4'1", 62 lbs.)

>A strapping young man! Is he finishing Kindergarten or 1st Grade?

>Terry

First. His birthday is November 16. He had a great year in kindergarten, and
will have a great teacher for next year. He's a good reader and
mathematician. He was pursued by four (older) first-grade girls for most of
last year (at once). They all did not seem to mind sharing him.

AS

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:17:54 -0400
From: Terry Wild <twild@uri.edu>
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> First. His birthday is November 16.

Ah, you didn't keep him back as many do.  I didn't keep William back
either.  There is a move here to move the birthday cutoff date to Sept.
1st.  It will move back 1 month per year.  Edward will be lucky enough to
enter kindergarten when the date is Oct. 1st.  His birthday is Sept. 17th.

He had a great year in kindergarten,
> and will have a great teacher for next year. He's a good reader and
> mathematician. He was pursued by four (older) first-grade girls for most
> of last year (at once). They all did not seem to mind sharing him.
>
> AS

Smart and popular. I wish him the best navigating peer pressure.

Terry

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At 11:17 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>First. His birthday is November 16.
>
>Ah, you didn't keep him back as many do.  I didn't keep William back
>either.  There is a move here to move the birthday cutoff date to Sept.
>1st.  It will move back 1 month per year.  Edward will be lucky enough to
>enter kindergarten when the date is Oct. 1st.  His birthday is Sept. 17th.

He may or may not be ready. In retrospect I wish that I would have kept
Ryan in Montessori School a year longer. Birth dates really don't mean that
much at that age.

Betty

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> He may or may not be ready. In retrospect I wish that I would have kept
> Ryan in Montessori School a year longer. Birth dates really don't mean
> that much at that age.
>
> Betty

For me with William, the question has been how to keep him challenged doing
the drudgery work.  He likes to cut corners and get by, but is capable of
doing much better and shows it when worked with.  I believe if I had kept
him back, he would have been even more bored.

Terry

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-06-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> writes:
> > --- human powered vehicle
> <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > > And a higher percentage wouldn't be
> > > able to identify Jonas Salk.  Tuff
> > > nuts.
> >
> > I don't believe Dr. Salk's physical appearance or
> > stage presence counted much in the story of his
> > success
> >
> > > Just the way we like it, when it comes
> > > to mawkish crap.
> >
> > Mawkish?  Come now.
>
> Nice quoting!

Gee, thanks.  That means a lot, coming from you.  And
I'm sincere.  Take note!




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=
= >It's a delicate dance in the kitchen when we're both cooking.
= >That's why I like to sit at the table and do the prep and let Pat
= >do the cooking.
=
= Delicate how? In the possibilty of *Piece* and Cooking? :)
= Or some chefs' ego syndrome?
= Or the "Too Many Chefs" syndrome?
=
= :) :)
=
= AS

Nothing so mundane.

More like we both get focused on the part that we're doing, and
the sink and the stove/counter are on opposite walls.  If we're
both very actively doing stuff then we really do need to look out
for each other, not leave the strainer in the sink while the
other is trying to wash vegetables, look out for hot things being
moved from one side of the kitchen to the other, etc.

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 8:59:51 PM, amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU writes:

>Terry
>First. His birthday is November 16. He had a great year in >kindergarten,
>and
>>will have a great teacher for next year. He's a good reader and
>>mathematician.
====
That was my mother's birtday

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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02003-06-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> --- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> > 02003-06-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> > writes:
> > > --- human powered vehicle
> > <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And a higher percentage wouldn't be
> > > > able to identify Jonas Salk.  Tuff
> > > > nuts.
> > >
> > > I don't believe Dr. Salk's physical appearance or
> > > stage presence counted much in the story of his
> > > success
> > >
> > > > Just the way we like it, when it comes
> > > > to mawkish crap.
> > >
> > > Mawkish?  Come now.
> >
> > Nice quoting!
>
> Gee, thanks.  That means a lot, coming from you.  And
> I'm sincere.  Take note!

Please, no mawkish crap.

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In a message dated 6/18/2003 10:47:10 PM, Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:

>That was my mother's birthday
-----
I hadn't finished my reply, but hit the wrong button by accident.
If he's anything like her, he'll be smart and compassionate as well.
She was a great woman; but not appreciated by too many, alas.
Theo

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Betty:
= At 03:51 PM 6/14/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
=
= >This picture gives you an idea of how wide the street is:
= >http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg
=
= What a great looking street. The cars on the other side of the building?

No.  Blocks in Amsterdam encircle the green space within.  Except
for someone put an annex to a school in mine.

Click around on this site to get a feel for the neighborhood.
http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/

Start here to see where I usually park my car:
http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/J110_603.HTM

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On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>> I have eaten it for years. It's the base cheese that you get if you don't
>> do other fancy cheese stuff - smoother than cottage cheese, more grainy
>> than cream cheese, very mild, a "young" soft cheese. I used to buy it at
>> the sell date for half price, then freeze a bunch. When thawed, it was the
>> consistency of feta, but infinitely cheaper.


>         It doesn't sound as though it tastes anything like feta, though.

Nope; far blander.

Karen

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:05:18 -0500
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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, Roy Jaques wrote:
> On Saturday, Jun 14, 2003, at 04:43 Europe/London, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>> A recession-resistant career would be nice. Any ideas?
>>
>> -rashmi

> Academia

Not.

Karen

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From: Zubon Zebont <scribble@pobox.com>
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Yes, Z Bone finally got published! Check out the latest UlonZine,
a small literary magazine published out of Zebulon, NC ...

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z buzolen, un zenu ben nezune?
Len zelbun zuno lun. Bel zublozon,
zel bezlun bun, Bulon! Bulenzenbune.

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On Saturday, Jun 14, 2003, at 04:43 Europe/London, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Tushar:
>
>> > >> Both my "solid" leads are looking decidedly iffy. I hate
>> > >> every word spoken by career transition consultants.
>> >
>> > >Is the nature of your transition private information?
>> >
>> > No, why do you ask? The August date is official (and stated
>> > public domain).
>>
>> WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?
>
> Oh. That's just what consultants for the soon-to-be-unemployed
> are calling themselves these days. I have no other career in mind.
> A recession-resistant career would be nice. Any ideas?
>
> -rashmi

Academia

Roy

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09:43 18.06.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>We are sailing on the proud ship Kriti II from Pireus to Heraklion on
>Sept. 8 and back on Kriti I on Sept. 30. Now the next step is to rent a
>car. Which I also have to do for our drive on our other trip: from
>Tromsø to the Norway/Russia border and back.

And now I have booked a car for the north and a car for Crete in September. Vacations, here we come!

Espen

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14:37 18.06.2003 -0700 skrev Karen Kay:
>> In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:40:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>> <<
>> But what you don't know is that my contract has been renewed
>> through July *and* my boss brought me lunch today.
>>>>
>>
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> Maybe this will result in a permanent job.
>
>Although I could use the health insurance... I think I'd rather contract.
>I like the level of involvement.

Congratulations in any case!

Espen

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= Delicate how? In the possibilty of *Piece* and Cooking? :)
= Or some chefs' ego syndrome?
Steph:

= Or the "Too Many Chefs" syndrome?
=
= :) :)
=
= AS


>Nothing so mundane.

Aw, shucks.


>More like we both get focused on the part that we're doing, and
>the sink and the stove/counter are on opposite walls.  If we're
>both very actively doing stuff then we really do need to look out
>for each other, not leave the strainer in the sink while the
>other is trying to wash vegetables, look out for hot things being
>moved from one side of the kitchen to the other, etc.

Ah. So it's a matter of <space>.

Not mundane, indeed!

AS

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> Sorry to dump book knowledge on you instead of personal knowledge, but I
> got an interesting parliamentary architecture comment on my blog recently,
> so am in the looking-up mood:
>
> free vote.  Non-procedural term, meaning a vote during which party
> discipline is not imposed on individual Members.  Votes on private Members'
> business are usually conducted as free votes.
>
> Compare:  party vote.
> Synonym:  unwhipped vote.
>
> http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/process/house/glossary/Glossary-e.htm
>
> Pete

Thanks Pete


BrP

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At 11:17 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
>>First. His birthday is November 16.
>
>Ah, you didn't keep him back as many do.  I didn't keep William back
>either.  There is a move here to move the birthday cutoff date to Sept.
>1st.  It will move back 1 month per year.  Edward will be lucky enough to
>enter kindergarten when the date is Oct. 1st.  His birthday is Sept. 17th.

Hmmm. Ours is Sept. 1 and has been, I suppose, for quite some time. What I
have seen here is some people starting their kids (somehow) a year *earlier*
in kindergarten. The couple of kids I know about usually don't look so happy
when I've seen them. The same two cases I'm thinking of also are enrolled in
every "activity" under the sun for "enrichment." I sort of feel sorry for
one of them in particular. It seems to be so much a status thing for the
parents.


>He may or may not be ready. In retrospect I wish that I would have kept
>Ryan in Montessori School a year longer. Birth dates really don't mean that
>much at that age.


>Betty

You said it! Carl was in an all-day developmental preschool for two years
prior to kindergarten -- this is a most excellent school and he got an
enormous amount of attention. Since I had to have him be *somewhere*, this
was the ideal option.

At his primary school, classes are spilt kindergarten/1st grade (with 1st
graders having a lot of their lessons with another teacher). The grades are
called P1 and P2 (K and 1). Students entering (all-day) kindergarten have
the same teacher for the first two years. Carl's teacher is so phenomenal
with him! So he will still have Mrs. Perry as his main teacher next time,
then will have some subjects with Mrs. Dill.

When we come home, Carl usually plays around a small creek (brook, whatever)
running along one side of our yard, goes over and practices his "armpit
noises" with the 10-year-old next door, beats bushes with sticks, throws
frisbee, watches some teevee, draws quite a bit and plays some computer
games (when he can wrestle his mother off the machine). He also reads his
books and writes new words in his notebook. Lately, he's also a big fan of
play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went to tae kwon do
for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the set-up a bit hokey
myself. After being "institutionalized" all day, I'm a big fan of free time.

He's in a summer camp/program this year affiliated with the school system.
There is a lot of physical activity and some very cool field trips.

His school starts back Aug. 5 -- yes, sort of early. The city system is on a
"modified alternative calendar" which mostly serves to annoy people who work
at the university, since the calendars are not always aligned.

AS

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Please note:

as of 1 pm today my email address will change to

pbarfoot@syr.edu

The University is standarizing email address formats as we switch to a new mail
server

mail to my old address will be forwarded but it's best to use the new one.


Thanks,

Paul


I'll set nomail for the old address and sub from the new one this afternoon

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Paul R. Barfoot
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
>
> > I have eaten it for years. It's the base cheese that you get if you don't
> > do other fancy cheese stuff - smoother than cottage cheese, more grainy
> > than cream cheese, very mild, a "young" soft cheese. I used to buy it at
> > the sell date for half price, then freeze a bunch. When thawed, it was the
> > consistency of feta, but infinitely cheaper.
>
>         It doesn't sound as though it tastes anything like feta, though.
>

Can't frankly tell you, because I had never heard of feta back
then - I was a poor single parent on WIC, and it was a great
pizza topping, lasagna liner, and cheddar- mixer in mac-n-cheese.

clo

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> Betty:
> = At 03:51 PM 6/14/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> =
> = >This picture gives you an idea of how wide the street is:
> = >http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg
> =
> = What a great looking street. The cars on the other side of the
building?
>
> No.  Blocks in Amsterdam encircle the green space within.  Except
> for someone put an annex to a school in mine.
>
> Click around on this site to get a feel for the neighborhood.
> http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/
>
> Start here to see where I usually park my car:
> http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/J110_603.HTM


Wow.  That was fun.  What a nice little tour
while I have my morning coffee.

                 - D. M.

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 08:43 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> >No, I was the cook. I'm still the cook and I'm tired of the chore and
> >would love to turn it over to someone else.
> >
> >Let's see, Have kitchen AND boat .
>
> Now you're talking! How big is the boat?

It's a 16 ft bass boat... fully loaded (with a bunch of junk that has no
place else to go.)
The boat hasn't been in the water since 1996.  It's an old thing and not
very pretty... no sparkles.

--
Sylvia Edwards
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Subject: Is this a bad sign?
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This morning on the way to work, water vapor was coming out of my car A/C
vents. Is this a bad sign? Is A/C death imminent?

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> > It's a 16 ft bass boat... fully loaded (with a bunch of junk that has no
> > place else to go.)
> > The boat hasn't been in the water since 1996.  It's an old thing and not
> > very pretty... no sparkles.
>
>         Is it painted in camouflage?  That's what a lot of the bass
> boats around here look like -- that or the glitter paint.
> We were driving around in early June, when everybody was
> getting their boats out, and noted that there must be over
> 100 in our subdivision alone.

It's a sun-faded brown and white.  I imagine my subdivision is also
loaded with boats.  I know that almost every other house on my street
provides a home for a boat.

--
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:40:50 -0500
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-18 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>
>>>02003-06-18 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>  He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
>>>>>cleaner, anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn. I thought she was his
>>>>step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well, Rita flamed his ass all right...good job...I learned
>>>a lot from Rita (ice queen) that week--aint nobody above a
>>>ass whooping, aint nothing above a cheap laugh
>>>
>>I did no such thing.
>>
>
> Did I ask you to speak? Because I don't recall asking you to speak


What are you, allergic to periods all of a sudden?  Out.  Now.




--
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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>>At 08:43 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>>
>>>No, I was the cook. I'm still the cook and I'm tired of the chore and
>>>would love to turn it over to someone else.
>>>
>>>Let's see, Have kitchen AND boat .
>>>
>>Now you're talking! How big is the boat?
>>
>
> It's a 16 ft bass boat... fully loaded (with a bunch of junk that has no
> place else to go.)
> The boat hasn't been in the water since 1996.  It's an old thing and not
> very pretty... no sparkles.


        Is it painted in camouflage?  That's what a lot of the bass
boats around here look like -- that or the glitter paint.
We were driving around in early June, when everybody was
getting their boats out, and noted that there must be over
100 in our subdivision alone.



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Okay, we've been having these Ozone Action Days. And one of the things
they say is not to mow your lawn before 5pm.

Does this mean no lawn mowing, or does this mean no using one of those
nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors? I would think the latter, but I
wish they'd be more specific.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Okay, we've been having these Ozone Action Days. And one of the things
> they say is not to mow your lawn before 5pm.
>
> Does this mean no lawn mowing, or does this mean no using one of those
> nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors? I would think the latter, but I
> wish they'd be more specific.


        They don't want you exhaling any of that harmful carbon
dioxide as you pant your way around the yard.




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> At 06:55 AM 6/19/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>>This morning on the way to work, water vapor was coming out of my car
>> A/C vents. Is this a bad sign? Is A/C death imminent?
>
> No.  The relative humidity must be high---the humid air sitting in your
> ventilation system (or being brought in from outside) condensed in the
> first blast of cold air from the A/C.

Ah, thank you for easing my mind. Yes, today is much more humid than
yesterday.

Karen

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At 06:55 AM 6/19/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
>This morning on the way to work, water vapor was coming out of my car A/C
>vents. Is this a bad sign? Is A/C death imminent?

No.  The relative humidity must be high---the humid air sitting in your
ventilation system (or being brought in from outside) condensed in the
first blast of cold air from the A/C.

cwv

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>         They don't want you exhaling any of that harmful carbon
> dioxide as you pant your way around the yard.

Ohmigod! I'm contributing to the death of the universe!

Karen

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-06-18 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> writes:
> > --- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> > > 02003-06-18 | Lynne Weber
> <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM>
> > > writes:





> > > Nice quoting!



> >
> > Gee, thanks.  That means a lot, coming from you.
> And
> > I'm sincere.  Take note!
>
> Please, no mawkish crap.

Okay, that takes the pressure off.


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Karen Kay wrote:

>>        They don't want you exhaling any of that harmful carbon
>>dioxide as you pant your way around the yard.
>>
>
> Ohmigod! I'm contributing to the death of the universe!


        Now there's some evil karma for ya.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>        They don't want you exhaling any of that harmful carbon
>>>dioxide as you pant your way around the yard.
>>>
>>
>> Ohmigod! I'm contributing to the death of the universe!
>
>
>         Now there's some evil karma for ya.

As if.

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
--JK Rowling

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At 11:49 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>He may or may not be ready. In retrospect I wish that I would have kept
>>Ryan in Montessori School a year longer. Birth dates really don't mean
>>that much at that age.
>>
>>Betty
>
>For me with William, the question has been how to keep him challenged doing
>the drudgery work.  He likes to cut corners and get by, but is capable of
>doing much better and shows it when worked with.  I believe if I had kept
>him back, he would have been even more bored.
>
>Terry

Well, we know William is *very* smart.

Betty

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>>>
>>>WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?
>>
>>Oh. That's just what consultants for the soon-to-be-unemployed
>>are calling themselves these days. I have no other career in mind.
>>A recession-resistant career would be nice. Any ideas?
>>
>>-rashmi
>
>Academia
>
>Roy

Las Vegas is looking for teachers.

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At 01:54 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, Zubon Zebont wrote:
>Yes, Z Bone finally got published! Check out the latest UlonZine,
>a small literary magazine published out of Zebulon, NC ...

Was this supposed to be T-Bone?

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At 06:57 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>When we come home, Carl usually plays around a small creek (brook, whatever)
>running along one side of our yard, goes over and practices his "armpit
>noises" with the 10-year-old next door, beats bushes with sticks, throws
>frisbee, watches some teevee, draws quite a bit and plays some computer
>games (when he can wrestle his mother off the machine). He also reads his
>books and writes new words in his notebook. Lately, he's also a big fan of
>play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went to tae kwon do
>for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the set-up a bit hokey
>myself. After being "institutionalized" all day, I'm a big fan of free time.

Absolutely. You've been very lucky. Child care and schools are always the
biggest concerns and sometimes choices are limited.

B

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"Instant messages should be treated the same as e-mail messages and
archived for three years, the Nasdaq's regulator is telling its members."

http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1018960.html


Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
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At 08:27 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>It's a 16 ft bass boat... fully loaded (with a bunch of junk that has no
>place else to go.)
>The boat hasn't been in the water since 1996.  It's an old thing and not
>very pretty... no sparkles.

You could make it sound inviting!

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At 01:54 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, Zubon Zebont wrote:
>Yes, Z Bone finally got published! Check out the latest UlonZine,
>a small literary magazine published out of Zebulon, NC ...

Uh, yeah. Url, please ...

>Was this supposed to be T-Bone?

I suppose. Zebulon is essentially an east Raleigh 'burb -- somewhere close
to Fuquay-Varina.

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So, I'm to understand that the latest fad in cheese is
something cheap and nearly flavorless?  I picked up a piece
of it.  It has no taste.  It is marginally OK fried, but I'm
not sure what else I would do with it. Even Ricotta has a
subtle flavor.  I wouldn't stuff pasta with this stuff
unless I spiced it heavily -- it's almost tofuish.




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> So, I'm to understand that the latest fad in cheese is
> something cheap and nearly flavorless?

I would dispute that farmer cheese is the latest fad in cheese.

> I picked up a piece
> of it.  It has no taste.  It is marginally OK fried, but I'm
> not sure what else I would do with it. Even Ricotta has a
> subtle flavor.  I wouldn't stuff pasta with this stuff
> unless I spiced it heavily -- it's almost tofuish.

Tofuish is a good description.

Flavorless is always popular with Americans.

Karen
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> >
> > I picked up a piece
> > of it.  It has no taste.  It is marginally OK
> fried, but I'm
> > not sure what else I would do with it. Even
> Ricotta has a
> > subtle flavor.  I wouldn't stuff pasta with this
> stuff
> > unless I spiced it heavily -- it's almost tofuish.
>
> Tofuish is a good description.
>
> Flavorless is always popular with Americans.
>
> Karen
> "You are writing children's books, you need to be a
> ruthless killer."
> --JK Rowling

I wonder if is the same sort of thing known in the
South as "hoop" cheese?  Pronounced "hup".  It comes
in great orangey  yellow chunks with red rind.  It,
too, is faiirly tasteless.


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>
> Combine with:
>
> two bricks frozen spinach, thawed, squeeze the living
> daylights out of it to get rid of water
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I couldn't find frozen spinach in the store
last night so I bought fresh spinach.
Will that work?  If so it solves the water
problem.

                        - D. M.

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> I wonder if is the same sort of thing known in the
> South as "hoop" cheese?  Pronounced "hup".  It comes
> in great orangey  yellow chunks with red rind.  It,
> too, is faiirly tasteless.

The terms are often used interchangeably, but they aren't exactly the same
thing: http://www.friendshipdairies.com/products/farmerhoop.shtml

Karen
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>> Combine with:
>>
>> two bricks frozen spinach, thawed, squeeze the living
>> daylights out of it to get rid of water
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> I couldn't find frozen spinach in the store
> last night so I bought fresh spinach.
> Will that work?  If so it solves the water
> problem.

Yeah, but you need Massive Amounts of fresh spinach to equal one frozen
brick. (I always keep spinach bricks in the freezer.) I'm shocked that you
couldn't find any in the store.

Karen
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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Combine with:
>>
>>two bricks frozen spinach, thawed, squeeze the living
>>daylights out of it to get rid of water
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> I couldn't find frozen spinach in the store
> last night so I bought fresh spinach.
> Will that work?  If so it solves the water
> problem.


        Yes, it's probably better -- I'm just lazy and I like frozen
vegetables better than store-bought fresh (garden fresh is
another matter).  I think you need 2 lbs. to equal a brick.
  Chop it up and sautee it with the onions to cook it down.



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> > I couldn't find frozen spinach in the store
> > last night so I bought fresh spinach.
> > Will that work?  If so it solves the water
> > problem.
>
> Yeah, but you need Massive Amounts of fresh spinach to equal one
frozen
> brick. (I always keep spinach bricks in the freezer.) I'm shocked that
you
> couldn't find any in the store.
>
> Karen

Maybe they were just out of it.  I will look today
in another store.

             - D. M.

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>
>         Yes, it's probably better -- I'm just lazy and I like frozen
> vegetables better than store-bought fresh (garden fresh is
> another matter).  I think you need 2 lbs. to equal a brick.
>   Chop it up and sautee it with the onions to cook it down.
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> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Good idea.

    - D. M.

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In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:26:06 AM, espen.ore@NB.NO writes:

>And now I have booked a car for the north and a car for Crete in September.
>Vacations, here we come!
>
>
Have a great time, Espen! Wish I could go there too. Never been that far
north, and always had the desire. Theo

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In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:42:22 AM, espen.ore@NB.NO writes:

>Congratulations!

>From me too. Having job security these days means a lot I think.
Theo

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> In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:42:22 AM, espen.ore@NB.NO writes:
>
>>Congratulations!
>
>>From me too. Having job security these days means a lot I think.
> Theo

I don't believe that there is any such thing these days.

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
--JK Rowling

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In a message dated 6/19/2003 6:32:27 AM, dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

>Start here to see where I usually park my car:
>
>> http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/J110_603.HTM
>
>
 Oh, damned OAL wouldn't open the page! My parents used to live there, and
there was a song once that was popular at the time:
"bij ons in the jordaan..." Don't imagine the area has changed much over the
years, and would have liked to see it again. Theo

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Now *this* sounds like a happy kid!

lisa
who had a similar childhood and look how I turned out ;-)

At 06:57 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>You said it! Carl was in an all-day developmental preschool for two years
>prior to kindergarten -- this is a most excellent school and he got an
>enormous amount of attention. Since I had to have him be *somewhere*, this
>was the ideal option.
>
>At his primary school, classes are spilt kindergarten/1st grade (with 1st
>graders having a lot of their lessons with another teacher). The grades are
>called P1 and P2 (K and 1). Students entering (all-day) kindergarten have
>the same teacher for the first two years. Carl's teacher is so phenomenal
>with him! So he will still have Mrs. Perry as his main teacher next time,
>then will have some subjects with Mrs. Dill.
>
>When we come home, Carl usually plays around a small creek (brook, whatever)
>running along one side of our yard, goes over and practices his "armpit
>noises" with the 10-year-old next door, beats bushes with sticks, throws
>frisbee, watches some teevee, draws quite a bit and plays some computer
>games (when he can wrestle his mother off the machine). He also reads his
>books and writes new words in his notebook. Lately, he's also a big fan of
>play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went to tae kwon do
>for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the set-up a bit hokey
>myself. After being "institutionalized" all day, I'm a big fan of free time.
>
>He's in a summer camp/program this year affiliated with the school system.
>There is a lot of physical activity and some very cool field trips.
>
>His school starts back Aug. 5 -- yes, sort of early. The city system is on a
>"modified alternative calendar" which mostly serves to annoy people who work
>at the university, since the calendars are not always aligned.
>
>AS

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At 08:33 AM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>>>>WHAT CAREER ARE YOU THINKING OF "TRANSITIONING" TO?
>>>
>>>Oh. That's just what consultants for the soon-to-be-unemployed
>>>are calling themselves these days. I have no other career in mind.
>>>A recession-resistant career would be nice. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>-rashmi
>>
>>Academia
>>
>>Roy
>
>Las Vegas is looking for teachers.

I think Rashmi should become a nurse... no a doctor.. no wait, a surgeon..
yeah.. that's it Rashmi... become a plastic surgeon. You will never want
for money or fear unemployment again!

lisa

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>
> Richard          democracywhiskeysexy

    Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "

JMW

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Okay, we've been having these Ozone Action Days. And one of the things
> > they say is not to mow your lawn before 5pm.
> >
> > Does this mean no lawn mowing, or does this mean no using one of those
> > nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors? I would think the latter, but I
> > wish they'd be more specific.
>
>
>         They don't want you exhaling any of that harmful carbon
> dioxide as you pant your way around the yard.
>

yes, and please stop cutting the grass - it releases even more when it
decomposes. Do as the real elite do, and keep a bare dirt yard.

Actually, I thought that it was a warning about your health - that it
would pose an extra burden on your heart, brains, and lungs during the
heat of the day.

clo

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> yes, and please stop cutting the grass - it releases even more when it
> decomposes. Do as the real elite do, and keep a bare dirt yard.

You forget--I live in xeriscape land. And I hadn't cut the back lawn
for...well, long enough for it to grow a foot high! It's taking me 3 days
to cut it.

> Actually, I thought that it was a warning about your health - that it
> would pose an extra burden on your heart, brains, and lungs during the
> heat of the day.

6:30AM is not the heat of the day, yet it is before 5PM.:)

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
--JK Rowling

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > >
> > > I picked up a piece
> > > of it.  It has no taste.  It is marginally OK
> > fried, but I'm
> > > not sure what else I would do with it. Even
> > Ricotta has a
> > > subtle flavor.  I wouldn't stuff pasta with this
> > stuff
> > > unless I spiced it heavily -- it's almost tofuish.
> >
> > Tofuish is a good description.
> >
> > Flavorless is always popular with Americans.
> >
> > Karen
> > "You are writing children's books, you need to be a
> > ruthless killer."
> > --JK Rowling
>
> I wonder if is the same sort of thing known in the
> South as "hoop" cheese?  Pronounced "hup".  It comes
> in great orangey  yellow chunks with red rind.  It,
> too, is faiirly tasteless.
>

Hoop cheese is akin to mild cheddar.
Farmer's cheese is most like cottage cheese, just slightly
more pressed (more whey removed).

clo

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Happy Juneteenth!

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
--JK Rowling

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I have just subscribed to this list from my new email address which seems to be prbarfoo@syr.edu at least for the time being.  It may change to pbarfoot@syr.edu as I had thought this morning - and at least for now - either one works.

BrP

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> I have just subscribed to this list from my new email address which
> seems to be prbarfoo@syr.edu at least for the time being.  It may change
> to pbarfoot@syr.edu as I had thought this morning - and at least for now
> - either one works.

YaY, prbarfoo!:)

Scr

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>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/19/03 04:22PM >>>
> There is a monument downtown to the "Jerry Rescue" In
> 1850, an escaped slave was arrested under the Fugitive Slave Law and the
> citizens of Syracuse stormed the jail, threw the U S Marshall in the
> canal and rescued the guy - seeing to it that he got safely to Kingston,
> Ontario where he happily lived out the rest of his life and became a
> fairly prominent citizen.

Maybe we should do that for you?

Scr

Throw me in the canal?

BrP
aka Po

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Amy:
> >play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went to
> tae kwon do
> >for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the set-up
> a bit hokey

Really? How so?

Marie

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Syracuse had a Juneteenth celebration last weekend.  It's a fairly imortant holiday here what with Syracuse's abolitionist and underground railroad history.  There is a monument downtown to the "Jerry Rescue" In 1850, an escaped slave was arrested under the Fugitive Slave Law and the citizens of Syracuse stormed the jail, threw the U S Marshall in the canal and rescued the guy - seeing to it that he got safely to Kingston, Ontario where he happily lived out the rest of his life and became a fairly prominent citizen.

>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/19/03 04:04PM >>>
Happy Juneteenth!

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
--JK Rowling

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> There is a monument downtown to the "Jerry Rescue" In
> 1850, an escaped slave was arrested under the Fugitive Slave Law and the
> citizens of Syracuse stormed the jail, threw the U S Marshall in the
> canal and rescued the guy - seeing to it that he got safely to Kingston,
> Ontario where he happily lived out the rest of his life and became a
> fairly prominent citizen.

Maybe we should do that for you?

Scr

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>>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/19/03 04:22PM >>>
>> There is a monument downtown to the "Jerry Rescue" In
>> 1850, an escaped slave was arrested under the Fugitive Slave Law and
>> the citizens of Syracuse stormed the jail, threw the U S Marshall in
>> the canal and rescued the guy - seeing to it that he got safely to
>> Kingston, Ontario where he happily lived out the rest of his life and
>> became a fairly prominent citizen.
>
> Maybe we should do that for you?
>
> Scr
>
> Throw me in the canal?

Dear Po! No, no, storm your house, throw the US Marshal in the canal,
rescue you, and send you to Toronto where you can happily live out your
life and become a citizen with a fairly prominent nose.

Scr

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Dear Po! No, no, storm your house, throw the US Marshal in the canal,
rescue you, and send you to Toronto where you can happily live out your
life and become a citizen with a fairly prominent nose.

Scr


...and a husband.

:-)

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> >>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/19/03 04:22PM >>>
> > There is a monument downtown to the "Jerry Rescue" In
> > 1850, an escaped slave was arrested under the Fugitive Slave Law and the
> > citizens of Syracuse stormed the jail, threw the U S Marshall in the
> > canal and rescued the guy - seeing to it that he got safely to Kingston,
> > Ontario where he happily lived out the rest of his life and became a
> > fairly prominent citizen.
>
> Maybe we should do that for you?
>
> Scr
>
> Throw me in the canal?
>
> BrP

I volunteer to help!
clo

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If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.

It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.

--
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> If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.
>
> It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.

And *that's* our public personae!!!! You should hear us in private!

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
--JK Rowling

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Rita Chapman:
= If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.
=
= It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.
=

Thank you, that needed saying.

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Karen Kay:
= > If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.
= >
= > It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.
=
= And *that's* our public personae!!!! You should hear us in private!
=

Ooooohhh Nooooooo!!!!

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Karen:

>I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."

Run! Hide! It's the Return Of Cutesy Karen.

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> Karen:
>
>>I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."
>
> Run! Hide! It's the Return Of Cutesy Karen.

It's Po's fault.

Karen
"You are writing children's books, you need to be a ruthless killer."
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At 04:00 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>I have just subscribed to this list from my new email address which seems
>to be prbarfoo@syr.edu at least for the time being.  It may change to
>pbarfoot@syr.edu as I had thought this morning - and at least for now -
>either one works.

Welcome. Are you cute?

Betty

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JMW:

> > Richard          democracywhiskeysexy

Nice. It has a cool ring to it.

>    Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "

Also in Urdu, no surprise. 'cept that Azadi more like freedom, liberation.
And Arak is generic liquor. While I'm in quibbling mode, Ishq is more
romance than sex.

Hey, words post.

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At 01:50 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.
> >
> > It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.
>
>And *that's* our public personae!!!! You should hear us in private!

Let's just shoot 'em.

B

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At 10:53 PM 6/19/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Rita Chapman:
>= If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.
>=
>= It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.
>=
>
>Thank you, that needed saying.

It was someone else's turn. I already told them to get a room once.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Hey, words post.

    Don't worry.  It won't happen again.

JMW

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Betty Clark wrote:

>
> It was someone else's turn. I already told them to get a room once.
>

Be careful what you wish for.
clo

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Richard:

> >     Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "

>That had better be "arak" with an 'e'.

In Indian English it's spelled "arrack".

-rashmi, now where did that come from

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JMW:
>     Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "

That had better be "arak" with an 'e'.

--
Richard           have another drink, bishop o

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lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>:

>I think Rashmi should become a nurse... no a doctor.. no wait, a surgeon..
>yeah.. that's it Rashmi... become a plastic surgeon. You will never want
>for money or fear unemployment again!

Botox surgery - there's a growth industry.  Not for me, though.

-rashmi

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At 04:00 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>I have just subscribed to this list from my new email address which seems
>to be prbarfoo@syr.edu at least for the time being.  It may change to
>pbarfoot@syr.edu as I had thought this morning - and at least for now -
>either one works.
>
>BrP

Yeah, well, whoever you are, welcome back.

cwv

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02003-06-19 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>:
>
> >I think Rashmi should become a nurse... no a doctor.. no wait, a surgeon..
> >yeah.. that's it Rashmi... become a plastic surgeon. You will never want
> >for money or fear unemployment again!
>
> Botox surgery - there's a growth industry.  Not for me, though.

Do churches need tech people? That would be a golden career choice!
In fact, I think I should INVENT faith-based computing RIGHT NOW.
Get all of them interested in genealogy, or something ...

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>Absolutely. You've been very lucky. Child care and schools are >always the
biggest concerns and sometimes choices are limited.

>B

That was the biggest reason I returned here several years ago (3.5,
actually), so that I would have these specific choices ......

However, things continue to improve.

Here's a three-yard to ya! <clink>

AS

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02003-06-19 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Karen:
>
> >I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."
>
> Run! Hide! It's the Return Of Cutesy Karen.

Don't you mean "Corny"? Haaahahahahaha

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02003-06-19 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-18 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>>02003-06-18 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>> He asked, you didn't have to answer.  Saliva is a good screen
> >>>>>cleaner, anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn. I thought she was
> >>>>his
> >>>>step-daughter? I always got <bad vibes> about the two of them.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Well, Rita flamed his ass all right...good job...I learned
> >>>a lot from Rita (ice queen) that week--aint nobody above a
> >>>ass whooping, aint nothing above a cheap laugh
> >>>
> >>I did no such thing.
> >>
> >
> >Did I ask you to speak? Because I don't recall asking you to speak
>
> What are you, allergic to periods all of a sudden?  Out.  Now.

this is not a class room

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02003-06-19 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 10:53 PM 6/19/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
> >Rita Chapman:
> >= If you two get any more cutesie, I'm gonna puke.
> >=
> >= It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.
> >=
> >
> >Thank you, that needed saying.
>
> It was someone else's turn. I already told them to get a room once.

I don't know where you desiccated souls come from. I thought
it was really sweet ...

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rashmi, by way of JMW:
>>democracywhiskeysexy
> Nice. It has a cool ring to it.

And it looks cool, too, with that mix of
ascender and descender letters (hi, Alyce!).

Unfortunately, it's been hijacked by the
bloggerBorg, and (as you'd expect) there
are t-shirts.

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Richard           have another drink, bishop o

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Amy:
> >play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went to
> tae kwon do
> >for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the set-up
> a bit hokey


>Really? How so?


>Marie

As a sort of "status thing" in this little college town. As a too-small
studio with three-four different classes going on at once -- very
distracting. As something that Carl really did not enjoy that much after the
into package of four visits/white belt. As something that became too much of
a hard sell to sign a contract for the next series of sessions for something
that really did not interest my son.

I ask him from time to time if he wants to go again, and he always says
"No!"

AS, *NOT* a tae kwon do mom

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>or does this mean no using one of those
>nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors?

Just shut up and drive to work.

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Richard           have another drink, bishop o

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Rita:
> It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.

Karen?  Cutsey?  NEVER!

--
orbs of harry potter goodness

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6/19/2003, 9:48 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> "Instant messages should be treated the same as e-mail messages and
KK> archived for three years, the Nasdaq's regulator is telling its members."

KK> http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1018960.html

   Which is why many brokerages forbid/block IM.  Also, brokerages
   will not take buy/sell/trade orders by voicemail or by email.  You
   must talk to a borker in person or on phone.


dan

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> bloggerBorg,

    You learn a new word every day.

JMW

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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Do churches need tech people? That would be a golden career choice!
> In fact, I think I should INVENT faith-based computing RIGHT NOW.
> Get all of them interested in genealogy, or something ...

Behind the curve, as usual...

Karen

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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
>>or does this mean no using one of those
>>nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors?

> Just shut up and drive to work.

Alone in my car...

Karen

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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Rita:
>> It's a goddamn hurl-a-thon around here.

> Karen?  Cutsey?  NEVER!

Thank you for understanding me so deeply.

> orbs of harry potter goodness

HEALTH! Orbs of HEALTH.

Karen
who ate some today

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>
>Click around on this site to get a feel for the neighborhood.
>http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/
>
>Start here to see where I usually park my car:
>http://www.zien.info/jordaan.ukb/J110_603.HTM


That was fun.  I'm going to explore more later.

Betty

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At 06:04 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>However, things continue to improve.

Hope no lay offs occur.


>Here's a three-yard to ya! <clink>

Cheers, my little sweet patootie.

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> Alone in my car...

Knock yourself out.

My erl bidness stocks throw off huge
gobbets of cash every quarter, which
I gleefully squander on cheap vodka
and back issues of Tiger Beat.

Every time you tie off and get your
works ready, ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W fill up,
think of me, and I'll be there.

--
Richard           have another drink, bishop o

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>> bloggerBorg,
>     You learn a new word every day.

O.K., maybe circle jerk would have
been a better expression.

--
"big boys", indeed

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From: Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > >for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the set-up
> > a bit hokey
>
> >Really? How so?
>
> As a sort of "status thing" in this little college town. As a too-
> smallstudio with three-four different classes going on at once -- very
> distracting. As something that Carl really did not enjoy that much
> after the
> into package of four visits/white belt. As something that became
> too much of
> a hard sell to sign a contract for the next series of sessions for
> somethingthat really did not interest my son.


hokey, a.

slang (orig. U.S.).

(hk)

    Characterized by hokum; sentimental, melodramatic, artificial.

  1945 N.Y. Times 19 Aug. 3/8 Equally a part of America..are the dull films, the tasteless, hoky confections that public taste ought to repudiate. 1968 Surfer Mag. Jan. 58/1 They know the films are hokie Hollywood products. 1969 Northwest (Sunday Oregonian Mag.) 14 Dec. 11/2 Not the ‘hokey’ set-ups I've been through a half dozen times, but a supervised transitional period. 1970 New Yorker 16 May 105/3 A funny and hokey reënactment of the pantomime pocket drama that Colette did in music halls all over France. 1971 Rolling Stone 24 June 31/4 A closing piece [on a record], ‘Sometimes’, is embarrassingly hokey.

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> AH> All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn.
>
> That is for damn sure.  Hard to forget that girl, huh?

Never saw her. Don used to slobberingly put that info into every post.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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--On Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:57 AM -0500 Amy Burns Short
<amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

> The same two cases I'm thinking of also are enrolled in
> every "activity" under the sun for "enrichment." I sort of feel sorry for
> one of them in particular. It seems to be so much a status thing for the
> parents.

Too bad the children become pawns.  I've seen similar actions here.
>
> You said it! Carl was in an all-day developmental preschool for two years
> prior to kindergarten -- this is a most excellent school and he got an
> enormous amount of attention. Since I had to have him be *somewhere*, this
> was the ideal option.


We had Lillia and William in the developmental preschool/kindergarten here
at the university.  Did wonders.  I signed Edward up 3 days after birth.
I'm hoping he gets in Sep '04.

>
> At his primary school, classes are spilt kindergarten/1st grade (with 1st
> graders having a lot of their lessons with another teacher). The grades
> are called P1 and P2 (K and 1). Students entering (all-day) kindergarten
> have the same teacher for the first two years. Carl's teacher is so
> phenomenal with him! So he will still have Mrs. Perry as his main teacher
> next time, then will have some subjects with Mrs. Dill.
>


The elementary school here has all sorts of options.  William has had the
same teacher for the past 2 years.  This was helpful for him as he knew the
regimen.

> When we come home, Carl usually plays around a small creek (brook,
> whatever) running along one side of our yard, goes over and practices his
> "armpit noises" with the 10-year-old next door, beats bushes with sticks,
> throws frisbee, watches some teevee, draws quite a bit and plays some
> computer games (when he can wrestle his mother off the machine). He also
> reads his books and writes new words in his notebook. Lately, he's also a
> big fan of play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went
> to tae kwon do for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the
> set-up a bit hokey myself. After being "institutionalized" all day, I'm a
> big fan of free time.
>

This is the best kind of play, it becomes so creative.  Better than TV and
video games.  Sunday Lil and Will went after pollywogs, so the tank I was
cleaning from the crayfish (last years adventure) is now home to pollywogs
just getting their back legs.  Time to cook more spinach.
Will has tried soccer and basketball, but doesn't want to go back.  He has
mentioned martial arts, so it may be time to pursue that.  To support is
creative design activities, Alan just got him an erector set.  We'll see
what he comes up with.

Terry

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> Well, we know William is *very* smart.
>
> Betty

Amen, no sleeping while he's around!  I think I may have to keep an eye on
my appliances. :-)

Terry

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> then - I was a poor single parent on WIC, and it was a great
> pizza topping, lasagna liner, and cheddar- mixer in mac-n-cheese.

I always thought the WIC program was one of the most worthy welfare
programs. It was always  a pain explaining to people what kind of cheese and
juice they had to buy, though. Most never gave it a thought and never read
the back of the vouchers where it listed what kinds to buy.

--Adam
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BB:

At 06:04 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>However, things continue to improve.

>Hope no lay offs occur.

:) Remember, I *already* got laid off (along with three others) last year,
and got another campus job before D-Day! BTDT!

I empathize with those who are facing the same possibility. My advice: Pull
out all the stops now; you can always withdraw from the search or say "no."
It's easier to get another job when you already have one.

My current gig is grant-funded through 2007. I'll be long gone from here in
a fraction of that time ..... voluntarily.

>>Here's a three-yard to ya! <clink>

>Cheers, my little sweet patootie.

And a humongous <CLINK> back atcha!

AS

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> hokey, a.
>
> slang (orig. U.S.).

    Now, that's twice in one day.  This is getting out of hand.

JMW

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Disappearing Host Syndrome (DHS)? *Already*?

:)


AS

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:57 AM -0500 Amy Burns Short
> <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>> The same two cases I'm thinking of also are enrolled in
>> every "activity" under the sun for "enrichment." I sort of feel sorry for
>> one of them in particular. It seems to be so much a status thing for the
>> parents.
>
>
> Too bad the children become pawns.  I've seen similar actions here.
>
>>
>> You said it! Carl was in an all-day developmental preschool for two years
>> prior to kindergarten -- this is a most excellent school and he got an
>> enormous amount of attention. Since I had to have him be *somewhere*,
>> this
>> was the ideal option.
>
>
>
> We had Lillia and William in the developmental preschool/kindergarten here
> at the university.  Did wonders.  I signed Edward up 3 days after birth.
> I'm hoping he gets in Sep '04.


        Ana did very well in the all-day Child Development Center
pre-school run by our school district.  She took a step back
in K, I think, and it has taken us a year to recover.  Her K
teacher pretty much sucked.  I have high hopes for 2nd
grade.  I thought she might need some remedial reading
instruction, but she's making giant leaps this summer just
reading with me.  She actually read a few sentences of
Proust this morning :).



>> When we come home, Carl usually plays around a small creek (brook,
>> whatever) running along one side of our yard, goes over and practices his
>> "armpit noises" with the 10-year-old next door, beats bushes with sticks,
>> throws frisbee, watches some teevee, draws quite a bit and plays some
>> computer games (when he can wrestle his mother off the machine). He also
>> reads his books and writes new words in his notebook. Lately, he's also a
>> big fan of play money and is counting out some big bucks for me. We went
>> to tae kwon do for a while, but he didn't like it that much. I found the
>> set-up a bit hokey myself. After being "institutionalized" all day, I'm a
>> big fan of free time.
>>
>
> This is the best kind of play, it becomes so creative.  Better than TV and
> video games.  Sunday Lil and Will went after pollywogs, so the tank I was
> cleaning from the crayfish (last years adventure) is now home to pollywogs
> just getting their back legs.  Time to cook more spinach.
> Will has tried soccer and basketball, but doesn't want to go back.  He has
> mentioned martial arts, so it may be time to pursue that.  To support is
> creative design activities, Alan just got him an erector set.  We'll see
> what he comes up with.



Ana disliked soccer, so I didn't bother with t-ball.  I
think there's too much time when she's not doing anything to
keep her interest.  She loves horseback riding, though.  I
think she'd like gymnastics, but I'm afraid of the anorexia
that goes with that sport.

Of course, she just came home from a make-over birthday
party looking oh-so-fab.  She thinks she's Avril Levine.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 04:14 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:

>That was fun.  I'm going to explore more later.

I stumbled upon the street index, which allows a much wider survey.  I am
really impressed with the photographic coverage and the follow-up work that
allows all of the views.  Great stuff.

cwv

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Rita Chapman writes,

>She thinks she's Avril Levine.

I know this is a troll, but I cannot resist: "Lavigne".

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Rita Chapman writes,
>
>> She thinks she's Avril Levine.
>
>
> I know this is a troll, but I cannot resist: "Lavigne".


        Oh, that's alright.  I haven't the foggiest idea how to spell
the woman's name.  All I know is that I have to "turn it up,
mom!" when her songs come on the radio.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
marks do you give it (her)?

Thanks for any words of wisdom.

__________________________________
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Many of my URI users like it...  I use OExpress, and get hammered daily from
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> Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
> marks do you give it (her)?
>
> Thanks for any words of wisdom.
>
> __________________________________
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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Rita Chapman writes,

>>She thinks she's Avril Levine.

> I know this is a troll, but I cannot resist: "Lavigne".

Whew, I thought I was gonna have to do it again! Thanks.

Karen

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> lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>:
>
> >I think Rashmi should become a nurse... no a doctor.. no wait, a
surgeon..
> >yeah.. that's it Rashmi... become a plastic surgeon. You will never
want
> >for money or fear unemployment again!
>
> Botox surgery - there's a growth industry.  Not for me, though.
>
> -rashmi
>

60 Minutes or one of those shows did a piece
the other night about botox surgery gone wrong.
It was pretty gruesome.

                   - D. M.

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At 08:14 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, Terry Wild wrote:
This is the best kind of play, it becomes so creative.  Better than TV and
>video games.  Sunday Lil and Will went after pollywogs, so the tank I was
>cleaning from the crayfish (last years adventure) is now home to pollywogs
>just getting their back legs.  Time to cook more spinach.
>Will has tried soccer and basketball, but doesn't want to go back.  He has
>mentioned martial arts, so it may be time to pursue that.  To support is
>creative design activities, Alan just got him an erector set.  We'll see
>what he comes up with.
>
>Terry

Expose them and let them choose is my motto.

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Doris Markland writes,

>botox surgery gone wrong.

Dateline, eh?  <http://www.msnbc.com/news/927823.asp>

Pete

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At 08:32 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 04:14 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>That was fun.  I'm going to explore more later.
>
>I stumbled upon the street index, which allows a much wider survey.  I am
>really impressed with the photographic coverage and the follow-up work that
>allows all of the views.  Great stuff.

Yes!  I ran out of time.  Patients kept interrupting me, plus Scrabble.

Betty

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At 06:49 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
>marks do you give it (her)?
>
>Thanks for any words of wisdom.

I don't use Eudora Light but I do use the sponsored version (with the ads,
which are relatively non-intrusive).  I like Eudora.  It is user-friendly
and efficient.  I'm not sure exactly what the substantial differences
between Light and the sponsored version are; I would recommend trying the
sponsored version.

cwv

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02003-06-19 | Amy Burns Short <amy.short@MURRAYSTATE.EDU> writes:
> At 01:54 AM 6/19/2003 -0500, Zubon Zebont wrote:
> >Yes, Z Bone finally got published! Check out the latest UlonZine,
> >a small literary magazine published out of Zebulon, NC ...
>
> Uh, yeah. Url, please ...

Sorry, there is no URL. Instead, check out this incredibly hi-tech
(uh huh) "Amazon Browser" at <http://samant.com/amazon/>.

How fast can you get to the Bible from "At Swim-Two-Birds" purely
by moving to "similar books"? Post your record here!

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At 09:28 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:

>How fast can you get to the Bible from "At Swim-Two-Birds" purely
>by moving to "similar books"? Post your record here!

Really fast.

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--- Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> wrote:
> Many of my URI users like it...  I use OExpress, and
> get hammered daily from
> attacks, but I don't know about Eudora... Ter?
> Don't you use it?  'Alan

Thank you kindly.  I have heard some good things about
it, but am too much of a novice to make any judgment.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynne Weber" <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, 19 June, 2003 9:49 PM
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>
>
> > Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so,
> what
> > marks do you give it (her)?
> >
> > Thanks for any words of wisdom.
> >
> > __________________________________
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Lynne writes,

>Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
>marks do you give it (her)?

Eudora is now all the same install, and comes in Paid, Sponsored and Light
modes.  Paid and Sponsored have the same features, but Sponsored has a
small ad space always displayed.  Light mode has no ads, but some features
are disabled:

spellchecking
Moodwatch which helps you avoid "flaming" messages
statistics on how much email you send and receive
autocompletion of address as you type
multiple personalities for managing multiple mail accounts or identities
message stationery to help you respond to your mail more quickly
multiple signatures to help you personalize your mail
multiple address books to help organize your contact information
finding messages based on multiple search criteria
toolbar customization
advanced editing features like centering and indentation
more powerful filtering

I use Eudora Sponsored, and would miss spellchecking, personalities,
toolbar customization, filtering in Light mode.  (I would *not* miss
Moodwatch, and in fact have it disabled.)

I'm a power user, and I'm pretty happy with it, but I've also switched
novice users to it as well.

For power users, I recommend turning off "Use Microsoft's view" in the
"Viewing Mail" section of the preferences, to reduce worm and email bug
vulnerability.  Pretty HTML mail isn't as pretty, then, but I don't
consider that a big loss.

Pete
missing Natalie for an ObEudoraWelty story

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At 07:37 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Disappearing Host Syndrome (DHS)? *Already*?

Entirely likely.

cwv

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>  It is user-friendly
> and efficient.  I'm not sure exactly what the
> substantial differences
> between Light and the sponsored version are; I would
> recommend trying the
> sponsored version.
>
> cwv

Thank you, Mr. V.  I appreciate hearing the opinion of
one who has used it.


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>
> spellchecking
> Moodwatch which helps you avoid "flaming" messages
> statistics on how much email you send and receive
> autocompletion of address as you type
> multiple personalities for managing multiple mail
> accounts or identities
> message stationery to help you respond to your mail
> more quickly
> multiple signatures to help you personalize your
> mail
> multiple address books to help organize your contact
> information
> finding messages based on multiple search criteria
> toolbar customization
> advanced editing features like centering and
> indentation
> more powerful filtering
>
> I use Eudora Sponsored, and would miss
> spellchecking, personalities,
> toolbar customization, filtering in Light mode.  (I
> would *not* miss
> Moodwatch, and in fact have it disabled.)
>
> I'm a power user, and I'm pretty happy with it, but
> I've also switched
> novice users to it as well.
>
> For power users, I recommend turning off "Use
> Microsoft's view" in the
> "Viewing Mail" section of the preferences, to reduce
> worm and email bug
> vulnerability.  Pretty HTML mail isn't as pretty,
> then, but I don't
> consider that a big loss.
>
> Pete
> missing Natalie for an ObEudoraWelty story

See, I wouldn't have known this or even how to find
out on my own.  Lots of thanks.

Have you read "The Wide Net", "The Tattooed Man", or
"Why I Live at the P.O."?

Even if Natalie's away, you can commune with Miss
Welty.

Thanks again.


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> Doris Markland writes,
>
> >botox surgery gone wrong.
>
> Dateline, eh?  <http://www.msnbc.com/news/927823.asp>
>
> Pete

Yup.

  - D. M.

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6/19/2003, 6:14 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>> AH> All I remember is how Nature sure was good to Dawn.
>>
>> That is for damn sure.  Hard to forget that girl, huh?

AH> Never saw her. Don used to slobberingly put that info into every post.

    Didn't seem slobbery when they were here in Boise, but she is
    indeed that she was one beautiful, as well as busty, young lady.
    Also had pretty good presence and apparent maturity for her age.

dan

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Lynne Weber writes,

>See, I wouldn't have known this or even how to find out on my own.

It's been said that It's More Fun To Ask The List.

>Lots of thanks.

Sure thing!

>Have you read "The Wide Net", "The Tattooed Man", or "Why I Live at the P.O."?

Amazingly enough, no.  I'm not as well-read as one might think. :)

>Even if Natalie's away, you can commune with Miss Welty.

Yes, but it's not quite the same, of course.

Pete

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--- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> Lynne Weber writes,
>
> >See, I wouldn't have known this or even how to find
> out on my own.
>
> It's been said that It's More Fun To Ask The List.
>
> >Lots of thanks.
>
> Sure thing!
>
> >Have you read "The Wide Net", "The Tattooed Man",
> or "Why I Live at the P.O."?








I think I've heard something like that, about Asking
the List.
>
> Amazingly enough, no.  I'm not as well-read as one
> might think. :)
>
> >Even if Natalie's away, you can commune with Miss
> Welty.
>
> Yes, but it's not quite the same, of course.
>
> Pete


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Saliva? a screen cleaner?
effective for sure, but kind of...disgusting? funny?
who'd think about starting spitting on a screen?

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Lux:
= Saliva? a screen cleaner?
= effective for sure, but kind of...disgusting? funny?
= who'd think about starting spitting on a screen?

Ah, you are not acquainted with the term "spit-take"?

A spit-take is when a TV or movie character receives such an
unexpected surprise that he or she expels whatever they're
drinking in a burst of spray that - if you're lucky - will wind
up soaking some hapless innocent.

(says this url)
http://www.harvardindependent.com/main.cfm/include/smdetail/synid/85176.html

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In private we're very reserved and dignified.  We only put on the cutesy act in public so we can annoy you all.

BrP



>>> rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM 06/19/03 05:13PM >>>
Karen:

>I think so. As My Sweet Polenta said to me, "They recognize quality."

Run! Hide! It's the Return Of Cutesy Karen.

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At 06:16 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Thursday, June 19, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> >>or does this mean no using one of those
> >>nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors?
>
> > Just shut up and drive to work.
>
>Alone in my car...
>
>Karen

Don't forget to crank the AC while you're at it.

lisa

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> At 06:16 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Thursday, June 19, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
>> >>or does this mean no using one of those
>> >>nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors?
>>
>> > Just shut up and drive to work.
>>
>>Alone in my car...
>>
>>Karen
>
> Don't forget to crank the AC while you're at it.

You forget where I live.

Karen

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At 06:49 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
>marks do you give it (her)?
>
>Thanks for any words of wisdom.

I use it for work and like it a lot.

This version occasionally asks if you want to upgrade to a pay version but
it's not too intrusive.

There's also a constant ad that's approximately 2"x3". You can move it to
around so it's not too intrusive. Even when it changes it's barely noticable.

One thing, their mailbox structure can be a tad kludgey but not
insurmountable.

Also, I find their filtering works better than outloook express and unlike
OE I've never had the contents of my mailbox deleted.

lisa

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At 08:17 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>        Oh, that's alright.  I haven't the foggiest idea how to spell
>the woman's name.  All I know is that I have to "turn it up,
>mom!" when her songs come on the radio.

Woman? Is she even out of her teens?

lisa

--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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Nameless sent this to me a bit ago.

Karen

"You don't like pineapples or piglets or poi?
Stay away from Hawaii, my idiot boy!"

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yeahAt 09:07 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>60 Minutes or one of those shows did a piece
>the other night about botox surgery gone wrong.
>It was pretty gruesome.
>
>                    - D. M.

I saw something about laser hair removal gone bad. A young girl (late
teens, early twenties) had burn marks on her legs. Left her with what
looked like leopard spots. The spots have slightly faded with the help of
creams and ointments from more skilled doctors/dermatologists.

lisa
I'd rather shave

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At 10:27 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>At 06:49 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
>>Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
>>marks do you give it (her)?
>>
>>Thanks for any words of wisdom.
>
>I don't use Eudora Light but I do use the sponsored version (with the ads,
>which are relatively non-intrusive).  I like Eudora.  It is user-friendly
>and efficient.  I'm not sure exactly what the substantial differences
>between Light and the sponsored version are; I would recommend trying the
>sponsored version.
>
>cwv

Oh.. that's what I use too... the sponsored version.

lisa

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At 07:55 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Have you read "The Wide Net", "The Tattooed Man", or
>"Why I Live at the P.O."?
>
>Even if Natalie's away, you can commune with Miss
>Welty.
>
>Thanks again.

The Wide Net is the first Welty story I read. It made me fan.

lisa

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Uh-huh.

At 07:56 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>In private we're very reserved and dignified.  We only put on the cutesy
>act in public so we can annoy you all.
>
>BrP

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6/20/2003, 8:46 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

>>        Oh, that's alright.  I haven't the foggiest idea how to spell
>>the woman's name.  All I know is that I have to "turn it up,
>>mom!" when her songs come on the radio.

la> Woman? Is she even out of her teens?

I thought one became a woman at puberty.



dan

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At 07:43 AM 6/20/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > At 06:16 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Thursday, June 19, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> >> >>or does this mean no using one of those
> >> >>nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors?
> >>
> >> > Just shut up and drive to work.
> >>
> >>Alone in my car...
> >>
> >>Karen
> >
> > Don't forget to crank the AC while you're at it.
>
>You forget where I live.
>
>Karen

No, I didn't.

lisa

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At 09:39 AM 6/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>6/20/2003, 8:46 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> >>        Oh, that's alright.  I haven't the foggiest idea how to spell
> >>the woman's name.  All I know is that I have to "turn it up,
> >>mom!" when her songs come on the radio.
>
>la> Woman? Is she even out of her teens?
>
>I thought one became a woman at puberty.
>
>
>
>dan

Of which she's on the borderline.. IMO.

lisa
unexpectedly feeling a little older this week

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12:56 19.06.2003 -0400 skrev Theo Groothof:
>In a message dated 6/19/2003 3:26:06 AM, espen.ore@NB.NO writes:
>
>>And now I have booked a car for the north and a car for Crete in September.
>>Vacations, here we come!
>>
>>
>Have a great time, Espen! Wish I could go there too. Never been that far
>north, and always had the desire. Theo

I have never been farther north than Tromsø myself before (but that is pretty far north). When we go north-east to Varanger we will be further east than Istanbul.

Espen

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> At 07:43 AM 6/20/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> > At 06:16 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >>On Thursday, June 19, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
>> >> >>or does this mean no using one of those
>> >> >>nasty, smelly, ugly combustion motors?
>> >>
>> >> > Just shut up and drive to work.
>> >>
>> >>Alone in my car...
>> >>
>> >>Karen
>> >
>> > Don't forget to crank the AC while you're at it.
>>
>>You forget where I live.
>>
>>Karen
>
> No, I didn't.

Well, I keep my A/C on the lowest setting, if that makes you feel better.
It's usually too cold.

In any case, I was grateful for Clyde's explanation. I noticed this
morning that the interior fog in the car was worst just as I was speeding
up to get on the freeway, and I remembered that that's when I decided to
ask about it yesterday.

Karen

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> 22:37 19.06.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>>Richard:
>>
>>>>     Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "
>>
>>>That had better be "arak" with an 'e'.
>>
>>In Indian English it's spelled "arrack".
>>
>>-rashmi, now where did that come from
>
> And I guess this is the sam word that appears as raki in Greek (and
> means ouzo on the mainland and a raw version of grappa on Crete).

Yep.

Karen

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18:49 19.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
>Do any wordslers use Eudora Light, and, if so, what
>marks do you give it (her)?
>
>Thanks for any words of wisdom.

I use sponsored mode so that I get vthe full version. My only problem with Eudora is that it doesn't work with Unicode.

Espen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:39 AM 6/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> 6/20/2003, 8:46 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>> >>        Oh, that's alright.  I haven't the foggiest idea how to spell
>> >>the woman's name.  All I know is that I have to "turn it up,
>> >>mom!" when her songs come on the radio.
>>
>> la> Woman? Is she even out of her teens?
>>
>> I thought one became a woman at puberty.
>>
>>
>>
>> dan
>
>
> Of which she's on the borderline.. IMO.


I thought she was in her early 20's, but I just looked it up
and she's 17.  At that age, I'm not sure I'm comfortable
calling her a "girl."  My personal definition says that
girls are pre-tit.


> lisa
> unexpectedly feeling a little older this week


Not me!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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22:37 19.06.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>Richard:
>
>>>     Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "
>
>>That had better be "arak" with an 'e'.
>
>In Indian English it's spelled "arrack".
>
>-rashmi, now where did that come from

And I guess this is the sam word that appears as raki in Greek (and means ouzo on the mainland and a raw version of grappa on Crete).

Espen

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Rita Chapman writes,

>I thought she was in her early 20's, but I just looked it up
>and she's 17.

A week shy of 18 3/4.  September 27, 1984.

Pete

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6/20/2003, 9:44 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

>>la> Woman? Is she even out of her teens?
>>
>>I thought one became a woman at puberty.
>>
>>
>>
>>dan

la> Of which she's on the borderline.. IMO.

    She apparently started commercially at 17, so she is maybe 19?
    Sounds postpubescent to me.

dan

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--- lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> wrote:
> At 06:49 PM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Thanks for any words of wisdom.

> One thing, their mailbox structure can be a tad
> kludgey but not
> insurmountable.
>
> Also, I find their filtering works better than
> outloook express and unlike
> OE I've never had the contents of my mailbox
> deleted.
>
> lisa

Thank you.  All of this info helps.


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Dear Po,

I remain,

Your Scr

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Thanks.  Message received. I guess wordslers are just quiet and it isn't that my new mail system is being uncooperative.

>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/20/03 02:46PM >>>
Dear Po,

I remain,

Your Scr

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That Alyce won't be around for the new season of "Monk".

Karen

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11:56 20.06.2003 -0700 skrev Karen Kay:
>That Alyce won't be around for the new season of "Monk".

I was lookig for something in our attic-cage so to speak and I found the 3-D puzzle Alyce sent me. Now I can show Ingjerd what that kind of things are like.

Espen

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02003-06-20 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> I guess wordslers are just quiet

Their linguistic subsystems shut down after reading one more "polenta".

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> 02003-06-20 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> I guess wordslers are just quiet
>
> Their linguistic subsystems shut down after reading one more "polenta".

Do you know how to dance the polenta?

Karen

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OH WHAT, YOU WANT WE SHOULD MAKE SOME NOISES?!  IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT, AND THE BEER IS TASTY!

STEPH

Paul Barfoot:
= Thanks.  Message received. I guess wordslers are just quiet and it isn't that my new mail system is being uncooperative.
=
= >>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/20/03 02:46PM >>>
= Dear Po,
=
= I remain,
=
= Your Scr

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=
= Do you know how to dance the polenta?
=
= Karen

Is that like the macaroni?

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> OH WHAT, YOU WANT WE SHOULD MAKE SOME NOISES?!  IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT, AND
> THE BEER IS TASTY!
>
> STEPH

Are you drinking Kwak?

I want my Natalie back.

Karen

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> =
> = Do you know how to dance the polenta?
> =
> = Karen
>
> Is that like the macaroni?

Yes! You know it, then?

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: John Williams <williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Date: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:23 pm
Subject: Re: Other Happy Birthdays this week -
> Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > hokey, a.
> >
> > slang (orig. U.S.).
>
>    Now, that's twice in one day.  This is getting out of hand.

Yeah, what's gotten into us?

Marie

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> The Wide Net is the first Welty story I read. It
> made me fan.
>
> lisa

Even today, the title of that work conjures up
glimpses of splashing, glistening bodies and flashes
of crafty fish tails.

The P.O. is one of those stories that really leaves
you "lol".  And that's the last time I'll type THAT.


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--- "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> wrote:
>
> I use sponsored mode so that I get vthe full
> version. My only problem with Eudora is that it
> doesn't work with Unicode.
>
> Espen

Since I don't know what Unicode is, I wouldn't miss
it.  Ignorance IS sometimes bliss. But who knows,
maybe I'll learn about it some day.

Thank you, Espen.


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--On Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:54 PM -0400 Alan Wild <awild@uri.edu> wrote:

> Many of my URI users like it...  I use OExpress, and get hammered daily
> from attacks, but I don't know about Eudora... Ter?  Don't you use it?
> 'Alan
>
  Sorry I can't be of help here, I use Mulberry.

Terry

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I have no knack with phyllo
It's Greek to me indeed.
I'd rather work with pie dough
(Because I am a Swede?)

______________________

It was an exhaustive session but I
have the spinach pie put together.
Damn phyllo was in poor shape
when I opened the (thawed) package.
Gad, what a job.  It's in the freezer.
Hope it's all right when I bake it.

              - D. M.



            - D. M.

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--- steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:
> =
> = Do you know how to dance the polenta?
> =
> = Karen
>
> Is that like the macaroni?

My father the musician used to play the Beer Barrel
Polenta, but I thought the other guy invented the
telegraph.


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Lynne Weber writes,

>the other guy invented the telegraph.

*Wireless* telegraph, please.

Excellent conference/retreat place on the NorCal coast in an old American
Marconi Company broadcasting facility: <http://www.marconiconference.org/>.

Pete

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>
> Is that like the macaroni?

My father the musician used to play the Beer Barrel
Polenta, but I thought the other guy invented the
telegraph.



wireless
 
BrP

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> wireless

And not in a good way!

> BrP


Karen

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Karen Kay:
= > OH WHAT, YOU WANT WE SHOULD MAKE SOME NOISES?!  IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT, AND
= > THE BEER IS TASTY!
= >
= > STEPH
=
= Are you drinking Kwak?
=

De Koninck; it's the house beer here.

= I want my Natalie back.
=
= Karen

Yeah, she could fill your mailbox real good.

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I ruined one package of it (which I planned for).  After
that, I've not found it hard to work with.  Maybe it is
genetic.  I am pretty good with pie crust, too.

Doris Markland wrote:

> I have no knack with phyllo
> It's Greek to me indeed.
> I'd rather work with pie dough
> (Because I am a Swede?)
>
> ______________________
>
> It was an exhaustive session but I
> have the spinach pie put together.
> Damn phyllo was in poor shape
> when I opened the (thawed) package.
> Gad, what a job.  It's in the freezer.
> Hope it's all right when I bake it.
>
>               - D. M.
>
>
>
>             - D. M.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-06-19 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:28 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >How fast can you get to the Bible from "At Swim-Two-Birds" purely
> >by moving to "similar books"? Post your record here!
>
> Really fast.

I am not taking answers from devout church-going freaks ... thank you ...

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The very model of a modern major...
> I have no knack with phyllo
> It's Greek to me indeed.

Keep that pyllo COLD.

Think pie crust to another order of
magnitude.  You don't have to do all
your work at once.

Just put it back in the cooler and
pour another drink, then go back.

It's funny stuff, and frustrating
(especially when you look at the
grocery receipts), but man, when
you get it right...

--
Richard             1420 / 2840

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dashDeePeriodEmmPeriod:
> Hope it's all right when I bake it.

It might look like shit, and some
uncouth people might be coarse enough
to mention something about <texture>
(you know that kind) but it'll taste
great.

In fact, I back up this statement with
a pledge to eat any leftovers.

--
verse of expertinax

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between 12 midnite and 3:45 a.m., person or persons unknown broke into
our apartment and stole mom's and my purses with all our credit cards,
checkbooks, id cards, and cell phones.

if i find out who did it, i'm going after them with a baseball bat.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 5:54:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
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You were both there and didn't wake up?! This would be scary.

I'm sorry this happened, Evelyn, this is a real pain.

>>


thanks, karen!

mom was asleep in her room; i was asleep in mine.
yesterday was a really stressful day at work, and i was
exhausted last night.

when i woke up at 3:45, sweetie was under my bed, which is strange
in itself.  it wasn't until i looked for my purse that we realized something
was wrong (nothing else was taken, but my glasses were broken).

oh, at 6:30, we received a series of phone calls from, i think, one of the
thieves.  the calls were blocked from caller id, so i punched in the
number that blocks the blocked calls.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:02:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
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Call the cell phones.
clo

>>

I cancelled them this morning.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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Yuboubur puboubem ubappubeubars
tubo subock.

-wubonnubabube bubonnubiube

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Holy smokes!

You've cancelled everything, right?

cards, banks, mm accounts, what am I
forgetting that you haven't?  What
have you forgotten that I have?

> if i find out who did it, i'm going after them with a baseball bat.

Understandable.  That's for later.

Take care of biz now.

Br got cleaned our at the train station
once.  It's amazing how fast thse shitbags
work.

--
Richard             1420 / 2840

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> between 12 midnite and 3:45 a.m., person or persons unknown broke into
> our apartment and stole mom's and my purses with all our credit cards,
> checkbooks, id cards, and cell phones.

You were both there and didn't wake up?! This would be scary.

I'm sorry this happened, Evelyn, this is a real pain.

Karen

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> between 12 midnite and 3:45 a.m., person or persons unknown broke into
> our apartment and stole mom's and my purses with all our credit cards,
> checkbooks, id cards, and cell phones.
>
> if i find out who did it, i'm going after them with a baseball bat.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

What??  Did you hear them?  Was the lock broken?
How did they get in?    . . . details . . . details . . . details,
please.

                         - D. M.

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> between 12 midnite and 3:45 a.m., person or persons unknown broke into
> our apartment and stole mom's and my purses with all our credit cards,
> checkbooks, id cards, and cell phones.
>
> if i find out who did it, i'm going after them with a baseball bat.
>

Call the cell phones.
clo

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> between 12 midnite and 3:45 a.m., person or persons unknown broke into
> our apartment and stole mom's and my purses with all our credit cards,
> checkbooks, id cards, and cell phones.
>
> if i find out who did it, i'm going after them with a baseball bat.
>

Evelyn,

Seriously, I can't imagine having to go through this. Were you there at
the time? It seems likely, given the hour. Wow, it must have been scary,
and now the inconvenience.

What do you have to do now? Report all the cards, change the bank
accounts? This is terrible.

clo

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 5:58:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
<<
What??  Did you hear them?  Was the lock broken?
How did they get in?   . . . details . . . details . . . details,
please.

>>

Didn't hear them, but Sweetie did and hid under my bed.
They opened the patio screen door, but they couldn't get
in that way because of the shelves we have there.

They must have gotten in the front door.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 5:58:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
Holy smokes!

You've cancelled everything, right?

cards, banks, mm accounts, what am I
forgetting that you haven't?  What
have you forgotten that I have?

>>

Yep!

We have to get new Social Security and ID cards.
I can't afford to get a replacement cell phone now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:05:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Seriously, I can't imagine having to go through this. Were you there at
the time? It seems likely, given the hour. Wow, it must have been scary,
and now the inconvenience.

>>

I'm glad we're still alive.

If Mom didn't have trouble with stairs, I'd request an upstairs apartment.

Gotta buy new purses, cell phone, new ID cards, key chain, and baseball bat.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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clo:
> Call the cell phones.

Oh, that'd be really cool in a William
Gibson world where your GPS has tracked
your phone (and the thief) to the Bridge
and the thief is so, like, into physicality
and it's the last mistake he'll make and
you dial your number and hear it ring and
the last thing the thief experiences is
slick serrated alloy on the carotid.

jeezus beezus, she wuz robbed, and it's
June of 2003.

--
finally got to _All Tomorrow's Parties_ can y'tell?

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 5:06:52 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>I'm sorry this happened, Evelyn, this is a real pain.
>
It's worse than that, no words for it in English I think. Theo

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:21:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
<<
Oh, no!  Glad you are both okay.  The thought of someone being there is
scary.

>>

I know it!  We were invited to a picnic tomorrow, but I'm going to send Mom
and stay home myself.  I'm afraid to leave the apartment by itself for any
length of time.  They might get Sweetie next time.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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Last night a storm screwed up the power, but in only part of my house.
Unfortunately the side I need for my phone. Since the only other phone connection
near an electrical outlet (inlet?)is in my bedroom, I had to move it. If you
think untangling all those wires (the answering machine too) is easy with half a
body on wheels, think again. But I got it done, except that I had to unplug
this machine for 24 hour help that my dau had insisted on after an incident
where they had to call an ambulance and all that shit.
The damned machine scared me half to death (again!) when it was unplugged
because it was yelling that it was no longer connected to the phone. The only
thing that I wonder about is why only SOME electrical outlets are busted; never
heard of that happening.
So that was my day in case you're interested. Theo

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:21:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
It's worse than that, no words for it in English I think. Theo

>>

Both Mom and I feel violated.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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Oh, no!  Glad you are both okay.  The thought of someone being there is scary.

At 06:48 PM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>between 12 midnite and 3:45 a.m., person or persons unknown broke into
>our apartment and stole mom's and my purses with all our credit cards,
>checkbooks, id cards, and cell phones.
>
>if i find out who did it, i'm going after them with a baseball bat.
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
>had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
>Newport

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:23:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
If you
think untangling all those wires (the answering machine too) is easy with
half a
body on wheels, think again.
>>

No, I can imagine how hard it was; I was in a wheelchair for a few months
when
my ankle was broken.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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> Nah, it works alright if you just keep it moist.  Keep a
> damp dish towel nearby, as you pull a sheet, put the towel
> over the rest.  A little tedious, but it keeps the dough
> from getting dry and delicate.
>

Mine was dry and delicate when I opened it,
even split in places.


I looked to see if there was an expiration
date but found none.  I felt I was at a
disadvantage from the beginning.

            - D. M.

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Nah, it works alright if you just keep it moist.  Keep a
damp dish towel nearby, as you pull a sheet, put the towel
over the rest.  A little tedious, but it keeps the dough
from getting dry and delicate.

human powered vehicle wrote:

> The very model of a modern major...
>
>>I have no knack with phyllo
>>It's Greek to me indeed.
>>
>
> Keep that pyllo COLD.
>
> Think pie crust to another order of
> magnitude.  You don't have to do all
> your work at once.
>
> Just put it back in the cooler and
> pour another drink, then go back.
>
> It's funny stuff, and frustrating
> (especially when you look at the
> grocery receipts), but man, when
> you get it right...
>
> --
> Richard             1420 / 2840
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Doris Markland wrote:

>>Nah, it works alright if you just keep it moist.  Keep a
>>damp dish towel nearby, as you pull a sheet, put the towel
>>over the rest.  A little tedious, but it keeps the dough
>>from getting dry and delicate.
>>
>>
>
> Mine was dry and delicate when I opened it,
> even split in places.


Oh, I would have tossed it, then.



> I looked to see if there was an expiration
> date but found none.  I felt I was at a
> disadvantage from the beginning.


Indeed, but with a decent box of the stuff, next time you'll
be an expert.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-06-20 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Your poem appears
> tube sock.
>
> -wannabe boob

There's nothing wonnabe about it ... Here is a rubai in the
same, now unfortunately extinct language of the ancient culture
of Zebulon NC ...

  zen zuleeben noub e nul bulboz e luzn
  lubze beznel luzn, enel enzel nebuzn
  zeble nub zenzen belel zee bunz e lee
  neene buznel len bezen bezbun lezuzn

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I can't remember now what exactly the digital-camera info was that I got
on the list several years ago, but I think Pete was one of the major
players.  Anyway, thanks for the advice, whatever it was.  I am amazed
at the things that my cheap digital camera can do.  I had never thought
about taking pictures of pages of books until somebody mentioned it at a
genealogy fair last Saturday.  So Monday I took a picture of part of the
SC atlas of 1825 (surveyed 1820), and it turned out not bad at all:

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/map1.html

But then late this afternoon that map success suddenly made me think
that I might be able to take pictures of my gg-grandfather's will that I
had been meaning for ages to transcribe into a computer file to share
with other Maynor genealogists.  Transcribing it was a tedious task
since his handwriting was small and in some places not clear (possibly
because of the photocopying -- this is a will I had ordered from the
Alabama archives several years ago).  Lo and behold, though, I just
spread the six pages out on my floor this afternoon and took a picture
of each page, and they're actually readable, at least on my computer:

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/whm-will.html

Digital cameras rule!  But this is very bad timing for me to have been
uploading stuff and editing web pages since my DSL modem died Tuesday
night.  I'm on emergency backup dialup until the replacement modem
arrives -- which I discovered today was still sitting in Atlanta
unshipped.  I am not feeling kindly toward BellSouth at the moment.  At
least not their larger entity.  If I could have dealt with locals, this
problem would've been solved by now.  I lament the loss of the <good old
days> when there were local offices for the telephone company.  I hate
having to call these people in who knows where and have stuff shipped
from Atlanta.  People like BellSouth violate the beauty of small-town
life.

Anyway, thanks to the Wordslers who helped me shop for the digital
camera.  I am quite happy with it.  (I'm also quite happy with my new
cell phone, afaik -- since nobody has the phone number and since I
haven't had occasion to make a call on it other than the test call to
make sure it was activated, I guess I can't sing its praises yet.  But
it appears to be a good move.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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i'm afraid to go to sleep.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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At 09:55 PM 6/20/2003 -0500, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Anyway, thanks to the Wordslers who helped me shop for the digital
>camera.  I am quite happy with it.  (I'm also quite happy with my new
>cell phone, afaik -- since nobody has the phone number and since I
>haven't had occasion to make a call on it other than the test call to
>make sure it was activated, I guess I can't sing its praises yet.  But
>it appears to be a good move.)

What did you end up getting?  I took photos of Las Vegas at night and the
Grand Canyon in the day time.  The LV ones came out great.  Digitals just
soak up the light.  The Grand Canyon ones were disappointing but Larry took
some with his medium format camera and I'm anxious to see those.

The will pages were impressive.

Betty

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On Friday, June 20, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> i'm afraid to go to sleep.

I don't blame you. Have you thought aboout rigging a tin-can alarm system?

Karen

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:32:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
I don't blame you. Have you thought aboout rigging a tin-can alarm system?

>>

I put Sweetie's box(the one the computer came in) in front of the front door.
The patio door is locked.

I may sleep in the living room.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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On Friday, June 20, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I may sleep in the living room.

If you can do so comfortably.

You make me very grateful to live in a neighborhood where it doesn't
matter if I lock my doors or not.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
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If you can do so comfortably.

>>

I've napped on the couch before.
I'll leave the TV on.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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You know, Evelyn, while I don't have human intruders (that I know of),
there's a hole in my fence that all the animals in the neighborhood
seem to know of. Burl is a fierce defender of my yard from other cats,
if there's only one, but when multiple cats, or dogs, or possums come,
she either hides or sits very, very still. I'm not worried about
anyone stealing her, but i'm worried about another animal damaging
her; I mostly try to bring her in at night.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
You make me very grateful to live in a neighborhood where it doesn't
matter if I lock my doors or not.

>>

That's the way Mogadore was.  Probably still is.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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On Friday, June 20, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> You make me very grateful to live in a neighborhood where it doesn't
> matter if I lock my doors or not.

>>>

> That's the way Mogadore was.  Probably still is.

Well, it's certainly not true of all of Austin.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:41:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
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I'm not worried about
anyone stealing her, but i'm worried about another animal damaging
her; I mostly try to bring her in at night.

>>

That's what we did with Siegi and Muffy after Tiger was killed by a
neighbor's car.  Brandy was an indoor cat, and Sweetie is one, too.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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> Keep that pyllo COLD.

And moist. But not wet. Just barely moist under a barely moist cloth or thin stack of paper towels.

Marie

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R.S.:
> jeezus beezus

Beverly Cleary fan, are ya?

Marie

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: Struggle in the Kitchen

> I ruined one package of it (which I planned for).  After
> that, I've not found it hard to work with.  Maybe it is
> genetic.  I am pretty good with pie crust, too.

I had a bad package once in the middle of my experiences. I blame it on the Krynos, not me. Or the store. I think it had been frozen, thawed, and frozen again. It was an unmanageable batch.

Marie

>
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I have no knack with phyllo
> > It's Greek to me indeed.
> > I'd rather work with pie dough
> > (Because I am a Swede?)
> >
> > ______________________
> >
> > It was an exhaustive session but I
> > have the spinach pie put together.
> > Damn phyllo was in poor shape
> > when I opened the (thawed) package.
> > Gad, what a job.  It's in the freezer.
> > Hope it's all right when I bake it.
> >
> >               - D. M.
> >
> >
> >
> >             - D. M.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
>

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6/20/2003, 5:22 PM, Theo Groothof wrote:

TG> The damned machine scared me half to death (again!) when it was unplugged
TG> because it was yelling that it was no longer connected to the phone. The only
TG> thing that I wonder about is why only SOME electrical outlets are busted; never
TG> heard of that happening.
TG> So that was my day in case you're interested. Theo

      They were big storms last nite, especially towards your end of
      the valley.  Are you sure that it didn't just blow some breakers
      on some circuits out in your breaker box?  I've seen that happen
      before.

dan

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6/20/2003, 8:55 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Anyway, thanks to the Wordslers who helped me shop for the digital
NM> camera.  I am quite happy with it.  (I'm also quite happy with my new
NM> cell phone, afaik -- since nobody has the phone number and since I
NM> haven't had occasion to make a call on it other than the test call to
NM> make sure it was activated, I guess I can't sing its praises yet.  But
NM> it appears to be a good move.)

Glad the camera is doing well.  And the phone.

We decided to go totally digital on the Europe trip in August.
Instead of lugging all the lenses and film and stuff for 35mm, will
take my older 2.5MP Olympus, with macro and superzoom.  Just got a
512MB card for it, which will hold 866 jpg pix at full resolution (ca
2500x1700, forget exact bits.  That should do it.  If not, I'll dump
them to CDROM on the ship, where they have digital studio.  Will also
take the little charger for the batteries, since supposedly have
110VAC in Berlin hotel and on ship.  If need be, I can always buy AA
cells, of course.

dan

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 9:32:01 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

>On Friday, June 20, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>> i'm afraid to go to sleep.
>
I know the feeling, Evelyn. It happened to me once when I still lived in CO,
but I suspect it was the no good boyfriend of dau #2.
Got one of those locks with a chain on it, and you have to be pretty skinny
to pass through it! But still; it takes a long time to get over the feeling.
Theo

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:56:46 PM, dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

>Are you sure that it didn't just blow some breakers
>      on some circuits out in your breaker box?  I've seen that happen
before.
====
No, just one, Dan. Very weird, huh? Theo

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In a message dated 6/20/2003 11:01:29 PM, dan@GAILNDAN.COM writes:

>Will also
>take the little charger for the batteries, since supposedly have
>110VAC in Berlin hotel and on ship.
======
110-115 count on it, Dan. Theo (who knows from experience)

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In a message dated 6/21/2003 1:04:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
Dutchessg1@AOL.COM writes:
<<
I know the feeling, Evelyn.
>>

I've left all of the lights on and am sleeping in half-hour intervals.
I'll sleep tomorrow when Mom's up.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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i was chatting with a friend a few minutes ago when i heard a group of
men run past, and there were two gunshots.  so i signed off and called
911; wish i had my cellphone:  i wouldn't have had to sign off.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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>i was chatting with a friend a few minutes ago when i heard a group of
>men run past, and there were two gunshots.

Ugh.  I'm sorry, Evelyn.  Hang in there.

Pete

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In a message dated 6/21/2003 3:17:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:
<<
Ugh.  I'm sorry, Evelyn.  Hang in there.

>>

I'm glad I'm off from work this weekend; I'll sleep during the day.

One thing the apartment complex HAS to do is to fix the
security lights on the buildings.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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20:37 20.06.2003 -0700 skrev Betty:

>The will pages were impressive.

Indeed.

Espen

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>> jeezus beezus
> Beverly Cleary fan, are ya?

Axly, I picked up that phrase from
a certain Tomlinson chick, way back
in the day on WORDS-L.

I also remember you mentioning that
name at the time, making a note of
it, and doing nothing more.

Who is Beverly Cleary?

--
Richard           one thing we weren't thinking of

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> I can't remember now what exactly the digital-camera info was that I
got
> on the list several years ago, but I think Pete was one of the major
> players.  Anyway, thanks for the advice, whatever it was.  I am amazed
> at the things that my cheap digital camera can do.  I had never
thought
> about taking pictures of pages of books until somebody mentioned it at
a
> genealogy fair last Saturday. >
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Those are great.  I hadn't thought of doing that either . .
but now I will.

        - D. M.

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At 11:01 PM 6/20/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>We decided to go totally digital on the Europe trip in August.
>Instead of lugging all the lenses and film and stuff for 35mm, will
>take my older 2.5MP Olympus, with macro and superzoom.  Just got a
>512MB card for it, which will hold 866 jpg pix at full resolution (ca
>2500x1700, forget exact bits.  That should do it.  If not, I'll dump
>them to CDROM on the ship, where they have digital studio.  Will also
>take the little charger for the batteries, since supposedly have
>110VAC in Berlin hotel and on ship.  If need be, I can always buy AA
>cells, of course.

Can you take a small 35 mm. too? Maybe a throw away. It would be a nice
back up. I haven't been happy with some of my printed photos but it is only
1.3MP.

Betty

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mem, have you heard of R&G Farms? The Hawaii delegate  at my conference in
Las Vegas
was selling a dark roast grind for $20 a pound.  I bought a bag but haven't
tried it yet.

Betty

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I am not feeling kindly toward BellSouth at the moment.

I was in N.C. last week, and sitting in Squids (a seafood restaurant),
listening to the table next to us exclaim about how much they hated
BellSouth DSL, and how often it was down. They were talking about
switching to RoadRunner, which would be only a little more expensive and
so much more stable. I followed my mother's rules of politeness, and
didn't interrupt to tell them how little we actually get online through
RoadRunner during those long stretches of time when we pick up and lose
the connection every 2-3 minutes or so, in the weeks after a
thunderstorm (and why??? This makes no sense).

Sigh. It's not an entirely wired world yet. Perhaps it's not all bad
though - I still have to maintain <some> ftf ties this way.

clo

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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:45:29 -0500
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On Friday, June 20, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:41:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> I'm not worried about
> anyone stealing her, but i'm worried about another animal damaging
> her; I mostly try to bring her in at night.

>>>

> That's what we did with Siegi and Muffy after Tiger was killed by a
> neighbor's car.  Brandy was an indoor cat, and Sweetie is one, too.

Burl is really an outdoor cat. Mostly this is a good thing (no messing
with litterboxes). She can be quite fierce, even with big cats.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:46:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
She can be quite fierce, even with big cats.
>>

I wish she could be taught that sometimes discretion is the key
to survival.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:
> I followed my mother's rules of politeness, and
> didn't interrupt to tell them how little we actually get online through
> RoadRunner during those long stretches of time when we pick up and lose
> the connection every 2-3 minutes or so, in the weeks after a
> thunderstorm (and why??? This makes no sense).

No. I haven't had any problems with my RR for a long time. When I do,
it's generally a bad splitter. (Which makes no sense, but fixes the
problem.)

Karen

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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:52:38 -0500
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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:46:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> She can be quite fierce, even with big cats.
>>>

> I wish she could be taught that sometimes discretion is the key
> to survival.

Well, she knows this, which is why she keeps back when dogs or possums
come around.

She's a VERY fast learner. She totally wrecked the back screen door,
but when I finally got around to spraying her when she scratched on
it, I only had to spray her twice. She hated it SO MUCH that she
learned not to do it.

She comes when I call her name, too--and when I point at something,
she'll go investigate for me.

Karen

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20:18 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>steph wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman:
>>= I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice
>>= to have a little time on my hands for a change).  It is
>>= absolutely to die for.  OMG.  I'll never buy it from the
>>= Deli at Whole Foods again.
>>
>>Recipe!
>
>
>Filling:

My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil instead of butter, and I am curious as to how this will be. I bought frozen chopped spinach and fylo leaves, and fittingly this morning the mail brought me a cd I have orderered from GreekCity (in Canada!): the sound track (music part of it) from the movie Rebetiko.

Espen

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is now in my greedy hands.

Espen

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> 20:18 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
> >>Rita Chapman:
> >>= I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice

How does one pronounce spanakopita?
I have no idea.

               - D. M.

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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> 20:18 14.06.2003 -0500 skrev Rita Chapman:
>> >>Rita Chapman:
>> >>= I decided to try making my own spanakopita today (it's nice

> How does one pronounce spanakopita?
> I have no idea.

The way it sounds.:) There's a slight stress on the ko. The 'a' is ah
instead of a. Hell, call me, Doris, and I'll pronounce it for you.
512-977-8817. It's one of my favorite foods in the world.

Karen

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>
> The way it sounds.:) There's a slight stress on the ko. The 'a' is ah
> instead of a. Hell, call me, Doris, and I'll pronounce it for you.
> 512-977-8817. It's one of my favorite foods in the world.
>
> Karen

That's good enough.  Thanks.
I'm on the run.

        - D. M.

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17:20 21.06.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil

And it was delicious!

Espen

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My modem is in transit -- next-day air, sent yesterday, but weekends
don't count.  The tracking shows that it left Doraville, GA, went to
Atlanta, and left Atlanta at 1:09 a.m.  I guess it will just fly around
until Monday.  Meanwhile, though, I now have the phone number of the
local BellSouth DSL person.  He called me this morning and said he
had heard (locally) that I needed to swap my modem and that he would
bring me one.  I wish the one hadn't been shipped from Atlanta!  He
was going to bring me one right now.  But I told him about the one on
its way and that I have to mail the dead one back to them when the
new one arrives.  He gave me his phone number and told me that if the
new one doesn't get here by Monday, to call him and he would make sure
I got one instantly.  Locals rule!

I will be very glad when I do have the modem and am back up and running.
I must say that BellSouth DSL is outstanding overall.  In the ten months
I've been using it (quite heavily), it has never blinked.  It's always
sitting here ready.  But with a fried modem the network itself doesn't
matter.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I will be very glad when I do have the modem and am back up and running.
> I must say that BellSouth DSL is outstanding overall.  In the ten months
> I've been using it (quite heavily), it has never blinked.  It's always
> sitting here ready.  But with a fried modem the network itself doesn't
> matter.


SBC will be out some time this week to rearrange some of my
phone jacks so that they are more convenient.  This doesn't
cost us anything.  I have been pretty happy with DSL.  It
does go down occasionally, but not very often and usually
not for long.  I don't think it would be noticable if it
wasn't for us having the computer on all the time.

It is a gorgeous day.  Time to go to the river, I think.




--
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Espen S. Ore wrote:

> 17:20 21.06.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>
>>My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil
>>
>
> And it was delicious!


Excellent.  I have kicked off a world-wide spana bake-off!





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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Espen S. Ore wrote:

>> 17:20 21.06.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>>
>>>My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil
>>>
>>
>> And it was delicious!


> Excellent.  I have kicked off a world-wide spana bake-off!

I may go buy some frozen one at Costco.

Karen

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On 21 Jun 2003 at 6:01, Betty wrote:

> mem, have you heard of R&G Farms? The Hawaii delegate  at my
> conference in Las Vegas was selling a dark roast grind for $20 a
> pound.  I bought a bag but haven't tried it yet.

At that price, I probably wouldn't try it. I'd put in in a display case with
my other prized possessions and go get some Starbuck's or
something to drink. Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of
Kona coffee. The pure stuff always seems to have a kind of
emptiness about it. It probably does better as a blend. I'm not
familiar with R&G Farms in particular. Maybe that's the one that
would change my mind.


    mem

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> >>My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil
> >>
> >
> > And it was delicious!
>
>Excellent.  I have kicked off a world-wide spana bake-off.

I've only made it once and it came out great. Beginner's luck, I think.
I'm not gonna take a chance and spoil my perfect record!

-rashmi

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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
> At that price, I probably wouldn't try it. I'd put in in a display case with
> my other prized possessions and go get some Starbuck's or
> something to drink. Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of
> Kona coffee. The pure stuff always seems to have a kind of
> emptiness about it. It probably does better as a blend. I'm not
> familiar with R&G Farms in particular. Maybe that's the one that
> would change my mind.

I loved the Lion Brand dark roast.

Karen

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02003-06-21 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of Kona coffee. The
> pure stuff always seems to have a kind of emptiness about it.

Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did you know that
the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a word, "mokita",
which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.

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----- Original Message -----
From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:32 am
Subject: Re: last night
> >> jeezus beezus
> > Beverly Cleary fan, are ya?
>
> Axly, I picked up that phrase from
> a certain Tomlinson chick, way back
> in the day on WORDS-L.
>
> I also remember you mentioning that
> name at the time, making a note of
> it, and doing nothing more.
>
> Who is Beverly Cleary?

Beverly Cleary is the author of the Ramona books -- her sister's name was Beatrice, but Ramona mispronounced it as "Beezus". She pissed her sister off good, and got in a lot of trouble once for blurting out "Jeezus Beezus" at school.

Marie

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It's now in Dallas.  What a waste.  The plane almost certainly passed
right over here en route from Atlanta to Dallas.  They could've just
dropped it out with a parachute.

Jun 21, 2003    1:21 P.M.    DALLAS/FT. WORTH A/P, TX, US    ARRIVAL
SCAN
1:09 A.M.    ATLANTA, GA, US    DEPARTURE SCAN

--
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Espen:

>>>>     Which, in Farsi, is "Azadi, Arak, Eshgh! "
>>
>>>That had better be "arak" with an 'e'.
>>
>>In Indian English it's spelled "arrack".
>>
>>-rashmi, now where did that come from
>
>And I guess this is the sam word that appears as raki in Greek (and
>means ouzo on the mainland and a raw version of grappa on Crete).

I hadn't noticed the dots between Farsi arak and Greek and Turkish
raki before. Neat.

-rashmi

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
> Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did
> you know that
> the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a
> word, "mokita",
> which means a truth that everyone knows but no one
> speaks? Fact.

Why do I have the feeling I have fallen down the
rabbit hole?


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--- Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> --- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did
> > you know that
> > the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have
> a
> > word, "mokita",
> > which means a truth that everyone knows but no one
> > speaks? Fact.
>
> Why do I have the feeling I have fallen down the
> rabbit hole?
>
>
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At 01:31 PM 6/21/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Why do I have the feeling I have fallen down the
>rabbit hole?


Because....
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you have.

cwv

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At 08:08 AM 6/21/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 21 Jun 2003 at 6:01, Betty wrote:
>
> > mem, have you heard of R&G Farms? The Hawaii delegate  at my
> > conference in Las Vegas was selling a dark roast grind for $20 a
> > pound.  I bought a bag but haven't tried it yet.
>
>At that price, I probably wouldn't try it. I'd put in in a display case with
>my other prized possessions and go get some Starbuck's or
>something to drink. Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of
>Kona coffee. The pure stuff always seems to have a kind of
>emptiness about it. It probably does better as a blend. I'm not
>familiar with R&G Farms in particular. Maybe that's the one that
>would change my mind.

Well, this was a whole 16 ounces! It is much more than we normally pay for
coffee.  I wanted to try it and figured I'd bring someone home with my $20
instead of putting it into a machine.  I had a fistful of quarters and
pumped them into one machine without getting even one cherry pay out.  I
quit after that and found the 99 cent margaritas.

Betty

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At 01:25 PM 6/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-21 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> > Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of Kona coffee. The
> > pure stuff always seems to have a kind of emptiness about it.
>
>Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did you know that
>the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a word, "mokita",
>which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.

Do you know a truth that you would like to share?

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6/21/2003, 6:55 AM, Betty wrote:

B> Can you take a small 35 mm. too? Maybe a throw away. It would be a nice
B> back up. I haven't been happy with some of my printed photos but it is only
B> 1.3MP.

Took throwaways to Tijuana in April, and pix were so so, what you'd
expect.  The digital is better for 4x6 if you do them on good paper.
I can always buy a disposable 35 if needed.

dan

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I went to Hastings last nite at 1130, as grandson's bday was today,
and it was what he coveted.  There were about 300 people who had
advance reservations and were in line to get them already.  The rest
of us had to wait until midnite when they brought out large carts of
them.  There were at least 400 more of us.  I was quick enough to get
out of the place by 0100, but there were still lines to back of store
then, plus more coming in, though they were out.

He was thrilled with the gift when gave it to him after movie at
restaurant.  Of course when Gail went to Albertsons this AM they were
on sale there, too, and for only 1.50 more than I paid for staying up
half the night.

If the firemarshall had come into hastings he would have had to
evacuate the place for being overcrowded.

dan


6/21/2003, 9:22 AM, Espen S. Ore wrote:

ESO> is now in my greedy hands.

ESO> Espen


dan

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One of the bluebonnet seeds I planted is blooming now! How weird.

Karen

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> expect.  The digital is better for 4x6 if you do them on good paper.
> I can always buy a disposable 35 if needed.
>
> dan

I will say though that there is a great difference in
throwaway cameras.  I bought  the highest price
Kodak one in Hawaii and got some stunning
pictures.  I turned it in before all the pictures were
used, and was then so sorry I hadn't taken them all
up.

              - D. M.

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On 21 Jun 2003 at 14:54, Betty wrote:

>  I wanted to try it and figured I'd bring someone home with my $20
> instead of putting it into a machine.

I will probably be pondering the meaning of this sentence deep into
the night.

   mem

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At 12:50 PM 6/21/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 21 Jun 2003 at 14:54, Betty wrote:
>
> >  I wanted to try it and figured I'd bring someone home with my $20
> > instead of putting it into a machine.
>
>I will probably be pondering the meaning of this sentence deep into
>the night.

Be careful.  That way lies madness.

cwv

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02003-06-21 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did you know that
> > the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a word, "mokita",
> > which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.
>
> Why do I have the feeling I have fallen down the
> rabbit hole?

Oh BITE ME ...

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02003-06-21 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 01:25 PM 6/21/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-21 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> >> Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of Kona coffee. The
> >> pure stuff always seems to have a kind of emptiness about it.
> >
> >Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did you know that
> >the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a word, "mokita",
> >which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.
>
> Do you know a truth that you would like to share?

We all share it, "Betty"

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> At that price, I probably wouldn't try it. I'd put in in a
> display case with
> my other prized possessions and go get some Starbuck's or
> something to drink.

Heh.

My favorite coffee these days is Kenya AA from http://www.coffeeam.com. We
use them in the coffee club at work and the Kenya AA is just so rich and
...COFFEE-tasting. I might even open it up before I finish my Trader Joe's
house blend.

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At 07:29 PM 6/21/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > At that price, I probably wouldn't try it. I'd put in in a
> > display case with
> > my other prized possessions and go get some Starbuck's or
> > something to drink.
>
>Heh.
>
>My favorite coffee these days is Kenya AA from http://www.coffeeam.com. We
>use them in the coffee club at work and the Kenya AA is just so rich and
>...COFFEE-tasting. I might even open it up before I finish my Trader Joe's
>house blend.

We've been getting Seattle Mountain Sumatra which I am really enjoying lately.

Betty

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At 12:50 PM 6/21/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 21 Jun 2003 at 14:54, Betty wrote:
>
> >  I wanted to try it and figured I'd bring someone home with my $20
> > instead of putting it into a machine.
>
>I will probably be pondering the meaning of this sentence deep into
>the night.

Ooops. He did come to my door and deliver it though.

Betty

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 > > which means a truth that everyone knows but no
> one speaks? Fact.> >>

> Why do I have the feeling I have fallen down the
> > rabbit hole?
>
> Oh BITE ME ...

Ah, rapier-like wit.


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02003-06-21 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>  > > which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.
>
> > Why do I have the feeling I have fallen down the
> > > rabbit hole?
> >
> > Oh BITE ME ...
>
> Ah, rapier-like wit.

Oops ... ESL error :( I meant to say "Eat Me"

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> > >
> > > Oh BITE ME ...
> >
> > Ah, rapier-like wit.
>
> Oops ... ESL error :( I meant to say "Eat Me"

Walked right into that one, didn't I?


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Betty wrote:

> At 07:29 PM 6/21/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
>> > At that price, I probably wouldn't try it. I'd put in in a
>> > display case with
>> > my other prized possessions and go get some Starbuck's or
>> > something to drink.
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> My favorite coffee these days is Kenya AA from
>> http://www.coffeeam.com. We
>> use them in the coffee club at work and the Kenya AA is just so rich and
>> ...COFFEE-tasting. I might even open it up before I finish my Trader
>> Joe's
>> house blend.
>
>
> We've been getting Seattle Mountain Sumatra which I am really enjoying
> lately.


        I found a local blend called Thomas that I like a great deal.
  It's a little more expensive than Folger's/Maxwell House,
etc., but tastes a whole lot better.

        I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
interesting anyhow).




--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Espen S. Ore wrote:
>>
>
>>>17:20 21.06.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>And it was delicious!
>>>
>
>
>>Excellent.  I have kicked off a world-wide spana bake-off!
>>
>
> I may go buy some frozen one at Costco.


        No cheating, Miss Alt.Austin.Foodie.




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>         I found a local blend called Thomas that I
> like a great deal.
>   It's a little more expensive than Folger's/Maxwell
> House,
> etc., but tastes a whole lot better.
>
>         I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB
> (not very
> interesting anyhow).
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

What DID happen?
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>


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On 21 Jun 2003 at 21:49, Rita Chapman wrote:

>  I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
> interesting anyhow).

Some of us hang on your every word, you know.

     Love,

             Tushar

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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>Espen S. Ore wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>17:20 21.06.2003 +0200 skrev Espen Ore:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My first ever spanakotyropita is now in the oven. I used olive oil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>And it was delicious!
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>Excellent.  I have kicked off a world-wide spana bake-off!
>>>
>>
>> I may go buy some frozen one at Costco.


>         No cheating, Miss Alt.Austin.Foodie.

It's okay, I didn't buy a frozen one. Instead, I went with Nameless to
see a sumo demonstration where I ran into my friend Scott (who looks
cute in mawashi!), and then we went for Korean Japanese food.

Karen

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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>         I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
> interesting anyhow).

Are you feeling chopped liverish? I always want to know.

Karen

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At 09:49 PM 6/21/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
        I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
>interesting anyhow).

Of course we are. It's a slow night. Spill you guts.

Betty

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i called both cell phones, and they have been cancelled.

Evelyn

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At 11:12 PM 6/21/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>i called both cell phones, and they have been cancelled.

Excellent!  Have you thought about getting the one Natalie just
got?  Sounds really reasonable.

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In a message dated 6/21/2003 10:30:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
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Excellent!  Have you thought about getting the one Natalie just
got?  Sounds really reasonable.

>>

I still have the contract with AT&T Wireless; I'm surprised they
didn't offer a replacement phone.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> I still have the contract with AT&T Wireless; I'm surprised they
> didn't offer a replacement phone.

It's worth phoning them up and asking for, I think.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/21/2003 10:33:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
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It's worth phoning them up and asking for, I think.

>>

I'll do that Monday; I wonder if they'll let me pay for it on my monthly
bill; it will be two weeks before I get any of the credit cards.

I'm leaving all the lights on tonight.  Maybe I'll get some sleep tonight.

Evelyn

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02003-06-21 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 21 Jun 2003 at 21:49, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >  I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
> > interesting anyhow).
>
> Some of us hang on your every word, you know.
>
>      Love,
>
>              Tushar

WRONG

I delete every long post by Rita. Waste of time

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02003-06-21 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>        No cheating, Miss Alt.Austin.Foodie.

Hm, that's another word I hate! "Foodie" ...

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I'm glad I ordered the new sweeper online before my purse was stolen;
if I had waited until today to get it (as Mom and I originally planned),
we'd have to wait two weeks to sweep the floors.

Evelyn

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13:25 21.06.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-06-21 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
>> Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of Kona coffee. The
>> pure stuff always seems to have a kind of emptiness about it.
>
>Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did you know that
>the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a word, "mokita",
>which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.

Are you reading Malinowski?

Espen

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > > >
> > > > Oh BITE ME ...
> > >
> > > Ah, rapier-like wit.
> >
> > Oops ... ESL error :( I meant to say "Eat Me"
>
> Walked right into that one, didn't I?
>

Marie is going to be jealous if you start flirting with Lynne too, you
lusty "Bob from accounting", you!

clo

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         No cheating, Miss Alt.Austin.Foodie.
>

And a new acronumb is born - MAAF.
I like it a lot. I aspire to the title.

clo

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> I'm glad I ordered the new sweeper online before my purse was stolen;
> if I had waited until today to get it (as Mom and I originally planned),
> we'd have to wait two weeks to sweep the floors.
>
> Evelyn
>
That is lucky.
With cats in the house, you'd have a pretty good-sized Kitty Starter Kit
in the corners by then.

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
>>interesting anyhow).
>>
>
> Are you feeling chopped liverish? I always want to know.


        Why would I feel like chopped liver?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Did you catch any fish?

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We got caught up in this for a while---trying to get to Bangor.  Impressive
damned sight.

http://tinyurl.com/eybf

cwv

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> We got caught up in this for a while---trying to get to Bangor.  Impressive
> damned sight.

> ! Your login attempt failed. Please try again.
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JMW

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>>        I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
>>>interesting anyhow).
>>>
>>
>> Are you feeling chopped liverish? I always want to know.


>         Why would I feel like chopped liver?

Your "I suppose nobody is interested" comment is a direct bid for
attention.

Karen

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John, have you put the fires out in your state?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> oh, at 6:30, we received a series of phone calls from, i think, one of the
> thieves.  the calls were blocked from caller id, so i punched in the
> number that blocks the blocked calls.

Scary and awful as the whole matter is, aren't those phone calls most
frightening? Why should they've called?

Kristin

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In a message dated 6/22/2003 8:17:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
<<
That is lucky.
With cats in the house, you'd have a pretty good-sized Kitty Starter Kit
in the corners by then.

>>

Yeah, she is rather enthusiastic about scratching in the litter box.
Evelyn Duncan
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"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God
had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry
Newport

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In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:33:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
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Scary and awful as the whole matter is, aren't those phone calls most
frightening? Why should they've called?

>>

to terrorize us even more, i guess.  we got a phone call from a pay phone
right after the theft, before we discovered it.  the pay phone is the one at
the leasing office.

evelyn

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>John, have you put the fires out in your state?

Which ones?!

AS

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<<
Scary and awful as the whole matter is, aren't those phone calls most
frightening? Why should they've called?


>>


>to terrorize us even more, i guess.  we got a phone call from a pay phone
right after the theft, before we discovered it.  the pay phone is the one at
the leasing office.


>evelyn

This may be stupid questions, but you are reporting all of this to the
police, aren't you?

There are advocacy agenies for crime victims as well. Have you contacted
them?

AS

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>This may be stupid questions, but you are reporting all of this to the
police, aren't you?


>There are advocacy agenies for crime victims as well. Have you contacted
them?


>AS

Hell of a spell job! Sorry.

AS

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At 09:39 AM 6/22/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >John, have you put the fires out in your state?
>
>Which ones?!



  7,500 acres are burning.  ("Aspen" fire on Mt. Lemmon)

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> << Why should they've called?
>
> >to terrorize us even more, i guess.  we got a phone call from a pay phone
> right after the theft, before we discovered it.  the pay phone is the one at
> the leasing office.
>
> >evelyn
>
> This may be stupid questions, but you are reporting all of this to the
> police, aren't you?

I was about to ask it, too, but then I saw that there were more recent messages
I had't read yet, and hoped I was going to find an answer there.

Kristin

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Betty wrote:

> John, have you put the fires out in your state?

    Crimeny, you mean Mount Lemmon?  That'll be going for days.  And
only the first of many.  8-(

    "Oh, it was late at night, and we were all in bed.
     There was a lantern burning in the milking shed.
     Bossie kicked it over, licked her eye and said,
     "They'll be a hot time, in the old town, tonight."

JMW

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In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:59:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
<<
This may be stupid questions, but you are reporting all of this to the
police, aren't you?

There are advocacy agenies for crime victims as well. Have you contacted
them?

>>

Yes to the first, no to the second, but I think I will, if the Tulsa city
budget
hasn't cut it out first.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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BB:

At 09:39 AM 6/22/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >John, have you put the fires out in your state?
>
>Which ones?!

>  7,500 acres are burning.  ("Aspen" fire on Mt. Lemmon)

Oh, yeah -- those.  Just checking to see if the question should be
interpreted literally.

AS

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Evelyn:

>Yes to the first, no to the second, but I think I will, if the Tulsa city
budget
hasn't cut it out first.

Such advocacy agencies are rarely funded by city budgets, I believe. Check
your yellow pages and call.

AS

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In a message dated 6/22/2003 10:10:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
Such advocacy agencies are rarely funded by city budgets, I believe. Check
your yellow pages and call.

>>

OK, I'll check into it.  I'm glad I have today off; I'm still shaky.
I had to work Friday, though.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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>
> >I was wondering  how he would interpret but John isn't as literal as some
>on this service.
>
>:). Some may even deem him "cryptic," n'est-ce pas?
>
>AS

Yes, John should be J"cryptic" W.  Most of the time it goes over my head. I
usually wait for Natalie to ask what he is talking about.

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>First, I made sure it
wasn't written by *the* J.Farrell

That reminds me ... anyone hear from this member of the Disappeared Host
Club recently?

AS

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> >  7,500 acres are burning.  ("Aspen" fire on Mt. Lemmon)
>
>Oh, yeah -- those.  Just checking to see if the question should be
>interpreted literally.


>I was wondering  how he would interpret but John isn't as literal as some
on this service.

:). Some may even deem him "cryptic," n'est-ce pas?

AS

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At 10:04 AM 6/22/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>BB:
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>At 09:39 AM 6/22/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> > >John, have you put the fires out in your state?
> >
> >Which ones?!
>
> >  7,500 acres are burning.  ("Aspen" fire on Mt. Lemmon)
>
>Oh, yeah -- those.  Just checking to see if the question should be
>interpreted literally.

I was wondering  how he would interpret but John isn't as literal as some
on this service.

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>:). Some may even deem him "cryptic," n'est-ce pas?
>
>AS


>Yes, John should be J"cryptic" W.  Most of the time it goes over my head. I
usually wait for Natalie to ask what he is talking about.

:). He can, however, be rather <direct> at times too (well, at least once or
twice, maybe).

Keeps us on our toes, I suppose.

AS

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> is now in my greedy hands.

Oh, and I haven't read none of them yet. I thought they might wait. But
I'm going to take some earlier parts of it to my Mother when I go to
Tallinn tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow.

A book I read now is "Troubles" by J.G.Farrell. You may imagine that
when I saw the book on the window of a book store a couple of years ago
I couldn't but enter and have a good look at it. First, I made sure it
wasn't written by *the* J.Farrell, but after some browsing it I bought
it anyway, and started reading just lately.

I do not know how well-known an author he is, but I guess I might want
to read more books by him later on. During the first 70 pages or so I
found myself thinking at least thrice whether the novel would turn out
to be a kind of soap, together with possible losses of memory of at
least three characters in there; by now I am not afraid of it any more.

Kristin

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clyde w. voigtlander writes,

>We got caught up in this for a while---trying to get to Bangor.  Impressive
>damned sight.

Can't figure out why they didn't do it in the wee hours over the weekend.

Also, with a good deal of care, it seems like a helicopter might have been
okay: <http://www.longwoodgardens.org/Plants&Horticulture/Helicopter.htm>.

Pete

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At 08:53 AM 6/22/2003 -0700, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>clyde w. voigtlander writes,
>
>>We got caught up in this for a while---trying to get to Bangor.  Impressive
>>damned sight.
>
>Can't figure out why they didn't do it in the wee hours over the weekend.
>
>Also, with a good deal of care, it seems like a helicopter might have been
>okay: <http://www.longwoodgardens.org/Plants&Horticulture/Helicopter.htm>.

As you probably caught in the article, there's a lot of "coulda, woulda,
shoulda" going on.  It is a gorgeous tree---a 30-foot spread, lots of
large, typically apple-tree-gnarled branches.  The root ball was about the
same in diameter as was the tree and the whole thing (including the root
ball) was about 30 feet tall.  I estimate that the 18-wheel lowboy was
cruising at all of about 5mph, if that.

cwv

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In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:38:55 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>I delete every long post by Rita. Waste of time
>
But that's to be expected from a PITA, so what else is new? Theo

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Theo Groothof wrote:
> In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:38:55 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

>>I delete every long post by Rita. Waste of time
>>
> But that's to be expected from a PITA, so what else is new? Theo

Another life-affirming post by Theo. YaY!

Karen

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Karen writes,

>Another life-affirming post by Theo.

I imagine it's a tough job, but *somebody's* got to be life-affirming, wot?

Pete

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02003-06-22 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
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> I imagine it's a tough job, but *somebody's* got to be life-affirming, wot?

No.

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02003-06-22 | "Espen S. Ore" <espen.ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 13:25 21.06.2003 -0500 skrev Tushar Samant:
> >02003-06-21 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> >> Heretical as it seems, I'm not a great fan of Kona coffee. The
> >> pure stuff always seems to have a kind of emptiness about it.
> >
> >Thank you for an accurate assessment ... BTW, did you know that
> >the Kiriwina people of the Trobriand islands have a word, "mokita",
> >which means a truth that everyone knows but no one speaks? Fact.
>
> Are you reading Malinowski?

Hell no ... I am reading Rheingold.

Howard Rheingold: They have a Word for It

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Karen writes,

>>Another life-affirming post by Theo.

> I imagine it's a tough job, but *somebody's* got to be life-affirming, wot?

I think so.

Karen

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I don't know whether this is a question for an archivist or a lawyer.
I'm thinking the former more likely unless Bethany is into 19th-cent
law.  I'm transcribing my gg-grandfather's will and have various
questions about words I'm having trouble with, but one thing that's
really got me curious now is at the very end.  Something <significant>
happened on 12 November 1860.  I know that he died in late 1860 but
don't know the exact date.  I was thinking it was in December but can't
remember why I thought that.

Ok, so if you have good eyes for old writings, please help -- that means
you, BrP.  At this url:

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/will-p6.jpg

is the last page of the will -- actually not the will itself but stuff
like the swearing of witnesses that they saw him sign the codicil in
September 1860.  (The main part of the will he wrote in 1856.)  If you
scroll down to the bottom you'll see the signature of J.J. Abercrombie,
one of the witnesses, and to the left under there, the last thing before
the "Recorded" info for when it was probated -- Jan. 31, 1861, there's
something about 12 November 1860 -- something like looks sort of like
"From transcended" or "From tonsuls ended."  That's what I'm trying to
make out.

Meanwhile, I think my modem is lost in the skies.  It departed Dallas at
6:17 p.m. yesterday and has not been heard from since.

 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I see xxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxx ended 12th
November 1860

don't know what the first word(s) is/are.

Your camera is working fine, but why not scan things like this, which
would give an overall better picture of a document, though not make a
difference in reading handwriting here.  Oh, maybe you don't have a
scanner.

dan

6/22/2003, 1:30 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I don't know whether this is a question for an archivist or a lawyer.
NM> I'm thinking the former more likely unless Bethany is into 19th-cent
NM> law.  I'm transcribing my gg-grandfather's will and have various
NM> questions about words I'm having trouble with, but one thing that's
NM> really got me curious now is at the very end.  Something <significant>
NM> happened on 12 November 1860.  I know that he died in late 1860 but
NM> don't know the exact date.  I was thinking it was in December but can't
NM> remember why I thought that.

NM> Ok, so if you have good eyes for old writings, please help -- that means
NM> you, BrP.  At this url:

NM> http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/will-p6.jpg

NM> is the last page of the will -- actually not the will itself but stuff
NM> like the swearing of witnesses that they saw him sign the codicil in
NM> September 1860.  (The main part of the will he wrote in 1856.)  If you
NM> scroll down to the bottom you'll see the signature of J.J. Abercrombie,
NM> one of the witnesses, and to the left under there, the last thing before
NM> the "Recorded" info for when it was probated -- Jan. 31, 1861, there's
NM> something about 12 November 1860 -- something like looks sort of like
NM> "From transcended" or "From tonsuls ended."  That's what I'm trying to
NM> make out.

NM> Meanwhile, I think my modem is lost in the skies.  It departed Dallas at
NM> 6:17 p.m. yesterday and has not been heard from since.

NM>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


dan

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There were 30 members of a boy's choir on the plane from Miami to San
Francisco.  Mostly they were mildly annoying to mildly amusing to
occasionaly darling, but there was one part I wish happened on more
planes:

One of them got the idea to pop up in his seat and look around like a
prairie dog and pop back down then pop up again.  Then they all started
it.  They all wore yellow tee shirts.  That was fun, watching the randomly
occurring pop-ups and turning heads.

I didn't have the nerve to do it myself.

Ann

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> There were 30 members of a boy's choir on the plane from Miami to San
> Francisco.  Mostly they were mildly annoying to mildly amusing to
> occasionaly darling, but there was one part I wish happened on more
> planes:

> One of them got the idea to pop up in his seat and look around like a
> prairie dog and pop back down then pop up again.  Then they all started
> it.  They all wore yellow tee shirts.  That was fun, watching the randomly
> occurring pop-ups and turning heads.

> I didn't have the nerve to do it myself.

Were you wearing a yellow t-shirt?

Karen

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> There were 30 members of a boy's choir on the plane from Miami to San
> Francisco.  Mostly they were mildly annoying to mildly amusing to
> occasionaly darling, but there was one part I wish happened on more
> planes:

> One of them got the idea to pop up in his seat and look around like a
> prairie dog and pop back down then pop up again.  Then they all started
> it.  They all wore yellow tee shirts.  That was fun, watching the randomly
> occurring pop-ups and turning heads.

> I didn't have the nerve to do it myself.

Paul and I do this all the time, but no one knows it's a concerted
effort because we are in different parts of the country...

Karen

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At 01:04 PM 6/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>One of them got the idea to pop up in his seat and look around like a
>prairie dog and pop back down then pop up again.  Then they all started
>it.  They all wore yellow tee shirts.  That was fun, watching the randomly
>occurring pop-ups and turning heads.
>
>I didn't have the nerve to do it myself.
>
>Ann

Welcome back, Ann. You didn't tell us where you were going when you left. I
love the image. of the popping heads.

   I had to remove my shoes and  also got wanded when we came home from Las
Vegas. They kept announcing that it was highly recommended to remove your
shoes and put them on the conveyor belt.  I didn't think they meant
me.  They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.

Betty

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Were you wearing a yellow t-shirt?

No but when they got tired I could've started up the old lady part of the
program.

Ann

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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Betty wrote:
>    I had to remove my shoes and  also got wanded when we came home from Las
> Vegas. They kept announcing that it was highly recommended to remove your
> shoes and put them on the conveyor belt.  I didn't think they meant
> me.  They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.

They've broken the nail files off of all my nail clippers.  And me too,
with (without) the shoes.  They didn't make me take a drink from my water
bottle this time, though.

I've been wanded and patted.  I don't like the wanding but the patting is
nice.

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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:15:21 -0500
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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.

Damn them!

Karen

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> There were 30 members of a boy's choir on the plane from Miami to San
> Francisco.  Mostly they were mildly annoying to mildly amusing to
> occasionaly darling, but there was one part I wish happened on more
> planes:
>
> One of them got the idea to pop up in his seat and look around like a
> prairie dog and pop back down then pop up again.  Then they all
started
> it.  They all wore yellow tee shirts.  That was fun, watching the
randomly
> occurring pop-ups and turning heads.
>
> I didn't have the nerve to do it myself.
>
> Ann

You know, don't you, that you have been
exposed to BCSARS.

          - D. M.

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6/22/2003, 2:19 PM, Betty wrote:

B> They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.

Bad girl.  Always check that kind of stuff.  Or buy plastic kiddie
scissors to do your nails.

In my experience, the shoe removal depends on whether they have metal
in them.  Thus I always wear sneakers on planes.

dan

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
> In my experience, the shoe removal depends on whether they have metal
> in them.  Thus I always wear sneakers on planes.

I've had to remove sneakers.

Karen

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6/22/2003, 2:20 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Dan Lester wrote:
>> In my experience, the shoe removal depends on whether they have metal
>> in them.  Thus I always wear sneakers on planes.

KK> I've had to remove sneakers.

       I must just look more trustworthy.  And I always get the full
       scan anyway due to suspenders.

dan

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Dan Lester wrote:
>
> I see xxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxx ended 12th
> November 1860
>
> don't know what the first word(s) is/are.

That's exactly what I see -- as in I can't make out what's before the
"ended."

> Your camera is working fine, but why not scan things like this, which
> would give an overall better picture of a document, though not make a
> difference in reading handwriting here.  Oh, maybe you don't have a
> scanner.

I have a scanner, but my attempt at scanning an old letter on it several
years ago had bad results -- as in it didn't work at all.  I can't
remember now what the result looked like -- just that it was useless.
(I mean scanning as in taking a picture of the old letter -- I don't
have the software you need for scanning printed pages.)  Probably I
never figured out how to use the scanner properly.  The camera is much
easier.  I was amazed that this will and some other stuff I took
pictures of turned out to be readable since I didn't even experiment
with different distances or whatever -- I just guessed at a likely
distance and clicked.  I love my little camera.  It's a Canon PowerShot
A20 2.1 mega pixels.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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yet another coffee snob:
> We've been getting Seattle Mountain Sumatra

CDM coffee & chicory mixed with
Eight O'Clock Dark Roast.

--
snobwannabe

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> >         No cheating, Miss Alt.Austin.Foodie.
> It's okay, I didn't buy a frozen one. Instead, I went with Nameless to
> see a sumo demonstration where I ran into my friend Scott (who looks
> cute in mawashi!), and then we went for Korean Japanese food.

I find these updates fascinating.

I bought green ketchup yesterday.

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Richard           one thing we weren't thinking of

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> Are you reading Malinowski?

There was a guy who played for
a few NHL teams in the 1980s
named Merlin Malinowski.

I don't suppose it's the same
person though, huh?

(In other hockey news, Roger
Nielson died.)

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At 03:15 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.
>
>Damn them!

Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took my wine
opener the first time.

Betty

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Espen:
> is now in my greedy hands.

...and I raced through a Beverly
Cleary book at the library yesterday,

Oh, and I bought a pacifier to hang
off my handlebars.  The 5th Circuit
Court of Appeals has ruled that, as
drug paraphernalia, they are illegal.

--
take me glow stick from me dead, cold fingers

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At 02:19 PM 6/22/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/22/2003, 2:19 PM, Betty wrote:
>
>B> They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.
>
>Bad girl.  Always check that kind of stuff.  Or buy plastic kiddie
>scissors to do your nails.

We were doing carry on.  Small suitcase each.

>In my experience, the shoe removal depends on whether they have metal
>in them.  Thus I always wear sneakers on planes.

They were saying it was the thickness of the sole.  Larry had to remove his
sneakers. Must depend upon each airport.

Betty

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>Most of the time it goes over my head.

Far be it from me to speak for
JMW, but I'd say it's less a case
of over-the-headness than a case of
those-who're-supposed-to-get-it-will.

--
y'know, a Joel Hodgson thing

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> Paul and I do this all the time

Please please PLEEEEEEEZE tell us more
and more and more and MORE about how
<eccentric> you are!

Have I heard right?  Are you doing
your part to keep Austin weird?

What was that sock thing again?

--
Richard           one thing we weren't thinking of

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>
> I bought green ketchup yesterday.
>
> --
> Richard

It's not easy . . .

    - D. M.

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At 01:16 PM 06/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
>They've broken the nail files off of all my nail clippers.

It seems to me that if they are going to go to this extreme they should be
confiscating ball point pens - every bit as dangerous.

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In a message dated 6/22/2003 4:46:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
y'know, a Joel Hodgson thing

>>

So, who did you like better:  Joel or Mike?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>something about 12 November 1860 -- something like looks sort of like
>"From transcended" or "From tonsuls ended."  That's what I'm trying to

I've got a guess, but don't want to prejudice anybody else guessing, so
I'll leave a bunch of blank lines.  If you don't want to be confused (or
have the fun spoiled), look at the document for a while first, then scroll
down.






























"Sworn to& subscribed 12th"

Comments:

* the first "S" in "Sworn" is tricky, as other instances of capital "S" are
written in block style, but look at the first line, "The State of Alabama"
-- same shape "S".

* After looking at it for a while, I'm pretty confident of "Sworn".

* "to&" - I'm fairly confident of this one, although I didn't look through
the rest of the document for a similar ampersand.  Finding one would make
me more certain.  (Not finding one wouldn't suprise me much, though.)

* "subscribed" -- pretty messy, and the "i" is pretty much
non-existent.  Not overly confident of this one, but taken together with
the rest of the phrase, it makes sense.  OTOH, if you look six lines up, at
"that such other witnesses subscribed their names as such, in", it's close.

Methodology:

* Google for similar documents based on a fairly unique phrase; I ended up
using <sound-and-disposing-mind-and-memory judge-of-probate>.

* Found:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/lowndes/wills/willbookc/spnesmith.txt
Subscribed and sworn to before me July 23rd, 1862
James W. Graham
Judge of Probate

and noted the similar signature phrase "Subscribed and sworn to".  Decided
the phrase could be "Sworn to& subscribed" instead.

* Googled a lot for judge "Maddell", until finally I figured out it was
really "Waddell" (his "W" really throws me), then found:
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:guIlsPPpYbsJ:
ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/russell/probate/ebrownng.txt
Sworn to & subscribed before}
me this 1st of Oct. 1860  }

James X Browning (his mark)

Geo H Waddell  (his signature)
Judge

So Judge Waddell has apparently used the wording "Sworn to & subscribed" on
other documents.

* weird coincidence:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/coosa/wills/wmills.txt
Another Alabama will being researched by somebody from Starkville, MS

* ObIntercourse:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/lowndes/wills/willbookc/spnesmith.txt
"...that his acquaintance with the said Testator has been long and
intimate, their intercourse having been both social and legal; both
practicing lawyers, that their said intimacy has been at least ten years
duration..."

Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Clark" <lgclark@attbi.com>
> At 01:16 PM 06/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >
> >They've broken the nail files off of all my nail clippers.
>
> It seems to me that if they are going to go to this extreme they should be
> confiscating ball point pens - every bit as dangerous.

Yes, and thick magazines which can be rolled up...

They've armed selected pilots, after putting them through some kinda school
in Fla., I think.

'Al

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I've got a guess, but don't want to prejudice anybody else guessing, so
> I'll leave a bunch of blank lines.  If you don't want to be confused (or

I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT!!  I'm not quoting what you said in case somebody
else wants to play, but I really am convinced.  I'm pondering now what
the timing means -- like whether it means he died in November.  Surely
that's on record somewhere.  It's just that there are so many wonderful
little genealogical tidbits to gather that I tend to gather the ones
that I stumble upon -- e.g., I stumbled upon the listing of this will in
a library book that indexed wills.  So I ordered it from Alabama -- and
then let it sit idly for several years.  I'm on a roll now (on the verge
of maybe solving some big mysteries re other ancestors), which is why
this loss of DSL has been so very <untimely> for me.  And I have less
than a week of computer play time before heading to AcadiaFest.

Anyway, thank you!!  Once I read your guess and looked back at the will
-- the photocopy sitting on my desk, it leaped right out at me as "of
course that's what it says."

Btw, I don't know who exactly wrote this will.  I had assumed when
glancing at it when I first got it that William H. Maynor had,
especially since it includes what is said to be his signature.  But
everything is in the same handwriting, even the parts written after his
death.  Either everybody had identical handwriting back then, or
somebody else wrote the whole thing.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 03:15 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors, too.
>>
>>Damn them!

> Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
> all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took my wine
> opener the first time.

I'm still angry at having my nailfile confiscated.

Karen

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Oh, and I bought a pacifier to hang
> off my handlebars.  The 5th Circuit
> Court of Appeals has ruled that, as
> drug paraphernalia, they are illegal.

Um, what? Can you explain this a bit?

Karen

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
>> Paul and I do this all the time

> Please please PLEEEEEEEZE tell us more
> and more and more and MORE about how
> <eccentric> you are!

Me? I'm normal.

> Have I heard right?  Are you doing
> your part to keep Austin weird?

> What was that sock thing again?

STOP PICKING ON ME!

Karen

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Larry Clark wrote:
> It seems to me that if they are going to go to this extreme they should be
> confiscating ball point pens - every bit as dangerous.

I was told I couldn't bring wooden knitting needles because they might
put out an eye. I didn't ask about pens, but I should have.

Karen

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At 05:20 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Larry Clark wrote:
> > It seems to me that if they are going to go to this extreme they should be
> > confiscating ball point pens - every bit as dangerous.
>
>I was told I couldn't bring wooden knitting needles because they might
>put out an eye. I didn't ask about pens, but I should have.

The edge of a credit card, wielded with speed and some force, is roughly
equivalent to a scalpel.

cwv

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> The edge of a credit card, wielded with speed and some force, is roughly
> equivalent to a scalpel.

Thank you. They gave me the number of the agency in Washington to talk
to, and I shall use this. (What's odd is that the Monday Night
Knitting ladies have brought their knitting on domestic flights with
no problem. I don't get it.)

Karen

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What's the word for a person who is phobic about
insects?  A "what" phobe?

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entomophobe

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> What's the word for a person who is phobic about
> insects?  A "what" phobe?
>
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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> entomophobe
>
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > What's the word for a person who is phobic about
> > insects?  A "what" phobe?
> >
> > __________________________________
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Thank you.  It is more fun to ask the list.


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> What's the word for a person who is phobic about
> insects?  A "what" phobe?
>


Aunt Phoebe

     - D. M.

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02003-06-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Betty wrote:
> > I had to remove my shoes and  also got wanded when we came home from Las
> > Vegas. They kept announcing that it was highly recommended to remove
> > your shoes and put them on the conveyor belt.  I didn't think they meant
> > me.  They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure scissors,
> > too.
>
> They've broken the nail files off of all my nail clippers.  And me too,
> with (without) the shoes.  They didn't make me take a drink from my water
> bottle this time, though.

Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
check in? You absolutely don't need manicure scissors or nail clippers
for the length of a flight. (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.) And buy a
bottle of water in the airport. Overall, this will cost you maybe a
dollar more--if at all--and a bit of time at the baggage claim ...

> I've been wanded and patted.  I don't like the wanding but the patting
> is nice.

TMI

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
> check in? You absolutely don't need manicure scissors or nail clippers
> for the length of a flight. (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
> liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.) And buy a
> bottle of water in the airport. Overall, this will cost you maybe a
> dollar more--if at all--and a bit of time at the baggage claim ...

What does buying your water at the airport buy you?

Karen

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
> check in?

Because it's hard enough to pack all the freakin other things you need,
without then taking the extra step to be thoroughly prepared for boarding,
JEEZ.

  (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
> liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.)

Pompous condescending PRIG.

 And buy a
> bottle of water in the airport.

Like, there's TIME?

I guess you don't know many ditzes & scatterbrains, Mr. Rational.

> > I've been wanded and patted.  I don't like the wanding but the patting
> > is nice.
>
> TMI

-pat- -pat- -pat-

Ann

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At 06:53 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
>check in? You absolutely don't need manicure scissors or nail clippers
>for the length of a flight. (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
>liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.) And buy a
>bottle of water in the airport. Overall, this will cost you maybe a
>dollar more--if at all--and a bit of time at the baggage claim ...

I'd hate to be stuck with a hangnail the entire trip.  Pay attention,
Snookums. I didn't check baggage.

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At 06:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>What does buying your water at the airport buy you?

Purchase it once you've passed security.

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> What does buying your water at the airport buy you?

He means that if you buy your water AFTER the inspections, they won't make
you take a sip.

I like it when they make me take a sip!  Next time I am going to take a
big gulp and then keel over, frothing and twitching.

Ann

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 06:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>>What does buying your water at the airport buy you?

> Purchase it once you've passed security.

I repeat, what does that gain you?

Karen

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02003-06-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 06:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>What does buying your water at the airport buy you?
>
> > Purchase it once you've passed security.
>
> I repeat, what does that gain you?

Why does every action have to gain YOU something? Why can't
you lighten the load on overworked security people?

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At 05:07 PM 6/22/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > What does buying your water at the airport buy you?
>
>He means that if you buy your water AFTER the inspections, they won't make
>you take a sip.
>
>I like it when they make me take a sip!  Next time I am going to take a
>big gulp and then keel over, frothing and twitching.

And shout Allah is great!

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At 07:07 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 06:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>What does buying your water at the airport buy you?
>
> > Purchase it once you've passed security.
>
>I repeat, what does that gain you?

Time at security check point. No stopping to drink.

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 07:07 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
>> > At 06:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> >>What does buying your water at the airport buy you?
>>
>> > Purchase it once you've passed security.
>>
>>I repeat, what does that gain you?

> Time at security check point. No stopping to drink.

Hmm... Gain 20 seconds by wasting 5 minutes and $2. Does not
compute...

Karen

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02003-06-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
> > check in?
>
> Because it's hard enough to pack all the freakin other things you need,
> without then taking the extra step to be thoroughly prepared for boarding,
> JEEZ.

I can HEAR the ", Dr Maynor." after this sentence! I can hear it!

>   (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
> > liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.)
>
> Pompous condescending PRIG.

There is absolutely no need to hate. It's a six hour flight
at most ... puh!

> > And buy a bottle of water in the airport.
>
> Like, there's TIME?

I see, so you got there only 22.34 minutes before the flight...
I do apologize for my particiaption in your misunderstanding.
Still, I think time can be made for a 0.56 minute stop at any
of 300 franchises on the way and buy a bottle of water... I
certainly may be wrong.

Having your own water bottle on you is really kind of like
carrying 8 oranges, an enormous bag of chips and a 2 liter
bottle of Coke--that's just a lot of unnecessary crap for
a plane ride!

> I guess you don't know many ditzes & scatterbrains, Mr. Rational.

My scheme is effective for any "ditz" or "scatterbrain",
because it consists of packing everything you need, and
simply checking it ALL in. Besides, I am not Mr Rational.
I have won the Keep Chicago Weird award twice!

> > > I've been wanded and patted.  I don't like the wanding but the patting
> > > is nice.
> >
> > TMI
>
> -pat- -pat- -pat-

Don't damn with faint pats!

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02003-06-22 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 06:53 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
> >check in? You absolutely don't need manicure scissors or nail clippers
> >for the length of a flight. (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
> >liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.) And buy a
> >bottle of water in the airport. Overall, this will cost you maybe a
> >dollar more--if at all--and a bit of time at the baggage claim ...
>
> I'd hate to be stuck with a hangnail the entire trip.  Pay attention,
> Snookums. I didn't check baggage.

I am asking you to check it, and I am asking you nice ... As
for hangnails--even conceding this red to the point of humanly
invisible herring, don't you have teeth?

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> That reminds me ... anyone hear from this member of the Disappeared Host
> Club recently?

He's signed on and off a few times, but the level of phatic drivel must
still be too high for him to say anything.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-06-22 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> > At 07:07 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> >> > At 06:55 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> >>What does buying your water at the airport buy you?
> >>
> >> > Purchase it once you've passed security.
> >>
> >>I repeat, what does that gain you?
>
> > Time at security check point. No stopping to drink.
>
> Hmm... Gain 20 seconds by wasting 5 minutes and $2. Does not
> compute...

They make up 15 minutes on the flight, so all you have to
do is ask for a can of V8 from them and sell it later for
$2.25.

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At 07:29 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I'd hate to be stuck with a hangnail the entire trip.  Pay attention,
> > Snookums. I didn't check baggage.
>
>I am asking you to check it, and I am asking you nice ... As
>for hangnails--even conceding this red to the point of humanly
>invisible herring, don't you have teeth?


Ewwww! Where have you hands been lately?

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02003-06-22 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:29 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> I'd hate to be stuck with a hangnail the entire trip.  Pay attention,
> >> Snookums. I didn't check baggage.
> >
> >I am asking you to check it, and I am asking you nice ... As
> >for hangnails--even conceding this red to the point of humanly
> >invisible herring, don't you have teeth?
>
> Ewwww! Where have you hands been lately?

They have faucets and hand soap on most planes.

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At 07:48 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>They have faucets and hand soap on most planes.

Nice save

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--- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
> > What's the word for a person who is phobic about
> > insects?  A "what" phobe?
> >
>
>
> Aunt Phoebe
>
>      - D. M.

I really like that one.


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Eva:
> So, who did you like better:  Joel or Mike?

There's only one possible answer:

Joike.

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(I started the sweater when that other guy was here.)

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Karen:
>> drug paraphernalia, they are illegal.
> Um, what? Can you explain this a bit?

Raves.

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jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER anyway

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>>> drug paraphernalia, they are illegal.
>> Um, what? Can you explain this a bit?

> Raves.

> --
> jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER anyway

I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.

Karen

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At 09:06 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
>
>Karen

I'm supposing that they can be dipped in <something> or coated with some
illegal substance, but I'm only guessing.

B

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> >
> >
> > Aunt Phoebe
> >
> >      - D. M.
>
> I really like that one.
>
>
Thank you.

   - D. M.

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http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/pacifier_win.htm

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Despite the fact that:

1.  I had never made Span before
2.  It took me forever
3.  The dough wasn't perfect
4.  I froze the completed dish
5.  I thawed it out
6.  I baked it, crossing my fingers
7.  No one in my family had ever heard of it


Result:

1.  Everybody loved it.
2.  It turned out perfect
3.  The vegetarian DIED!
4.  Her husband, who is so picky he eats
    almost nothing except beef and potatoes,
    RAVED!
5. Everyone else ate it, without explanation
6.  There are only two small pieces left in
     the pan.
7.  It was worth it, although along the way
    I questioned it.

Thanks, Rita.


            - D. M. 

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Am I suddenly getting two copies of everything????

Karen

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At 09:20 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Am I suddenly getting two copies of everything????
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>Karen

I don't know.

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:20 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Am I suddenly getting two copies of everything????
>>
>>Karen

> I don't know.

Did you send two copies on purpose?! It's only the list (so far). I
only got one copy of e-mail from my sister.

Karen

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02003-06-22 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:48 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >They have faucets and hand soap on most planes.
>
> Nice save

Betty: 0
T Bone: 100

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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:42:13 -0400
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:19:33 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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>I'm supposing that they can be dipped in <something> or coated with some
>illegal substance, but I'm only guessing.

X-heads put them in their mouths to keep from grinding their teeth down to
nothing. They became a way of signaling that a person is on Ecstasy,
therefore might know where to buy some.

-aht

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At 09:39 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>Betty: 0
>T Bone: 100

Uncle

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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:48:53 -0500
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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Anne Toal wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:19:33 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> wrote:

>>I'm supposing that they can be dipped in <something> or coated with some
>>illegal substance, but I'm only guessing.

> X-heads put them in their mouths to keep from grinding their teeth down to
> nothing. They became a way of signaling that a person is on Ecstasy,
> therefore might know where to buy some.

Even though you have me killfiled, thank you.

Karen

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> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
> anyway
>
> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
>
> Karen

That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
but it was illegal to have them on your person.

I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.

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At 09:28 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Did you send two copies on purpose?! It's only the list (so far). I
>only got one copy of e-mail from my sister.

How is she doing?

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On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 09:28 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Did you send two copies on purpose?! It's only the list (so far). I
>>only got one copy of e-mail from my sister.

> How is she doing?

She's fine. They are getting another exchange student.

LOL. She could be Rita--she's working on an MA in Education, too. (But
she's also a paramedic and a school board member, and she has two boys
instead of one girl. And at the moment, no dogs.)

Karen

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At 09:48 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>Even though you have me killfiled, thank you.
How do you know that?

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> Did you catch any fish?


I'll make this quick as I've got to sign off, go to bed, and prepare for a
quickie trip to Vegas. My family is celebrating my mom's 80th bday there.
I'll unsub after I send this off.  We're staying at the Luxor and taking in
a Blue Man show. I've never seen them, so I'm looking forward to it.

In a word..."no"... didn't catch any fish although Chris & Cait did. I did
get a couple of big nibbles but I was too caught up in admiring the scenery.
We checked out numerous campground/sites and dozens of fishing holes before
finding a few choice ones.

The Hess Curse remains....no fish caught.

I did learn how to gut fish (trout don't have scales, though)...and found it
interesting and not necessarily icky. Also learned the art of shishkabobing
earthworms. Even the so-called small ones were enormous and very energetic.
I won't believe anyone who tells me they don't feel the hook. I loved
camping this time round. My friend, Cait, is one mean outdoor cook. I've
never eaten so well....pot roast made in a dutch oven, hearty
breakfasts...when I did a solo trip (overnight only) last year, the only
warm "food" I had was coffee & tea. I brought all my food in and ate it
cold. Cooking outdoors sure does require one to travel heavy, though.

We're planning another trip (Chris wants me to learn fly fishing...he has
far-reaching goals...I mean, I didn't even catch a measly trout) where we'll
have no access to water or vault toilets. I already bought a camp shower. My
friend brought her two bouviers with us and I thought it was a disaster.
Between making sure they were on a leash or a tether, stopping them from
barking at everything and everyone new...having to take them with us
everywhere. It was a real PIA.

Other fun things I've been up to...I went with a friend of Dave's to the
midnight Barnes and Nobel Harry Potter release party in Jack London Square.
I got a pair of Harry glasses...but declined to buy the book. I limit myself
to the movies.

And I went with another friend to SFO courtesy of BART. I never thought I'd
see the completion of the BART line to SFO airport during my lifetime. I'm
happily surprised. It's not the perfect solution for me, as I have to take a
45 min bus ride to get to BART and then it's at least another 30 min to
SFO....but, it's a much cheaper solution than a taxi ($45 at least) and
somewhat more schedule friendly than dealing with the Super Shuttle. At the
least, it's another option.

I've been doing sewing projects....repainted a shelf, just trying to be
productive. When i get back from Vegas, I'll start job hunting for something
in commercial real estate prop mgmt. Too exciting for words??? Agreed.

Thanks for asking Betty. I'll catch up with y'all when I return (Friday).

Sandra

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> 02003-06-22 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Betty wrote:
> > > I had to remove my shoes and  also got wanded when we came
> home from Las
> > > Vegas. They kept announcing that it was highly recommended to remove
> > > your shoes and put them on the conveyor belt.  I didn't think
> they meant
> > > me.  They opened Larry's suitcase and confiscated my manicure
> scissors,
> > > too.
> >
> > They've broken the nail files off of all my nail clippers.  And me too,
> > with (without) the shoes.  They didn't make me take a drink
> from my water
> > bottle this time, though.
>
> Why don't you all put all freakin metallic things in a bag which you
> check in? You absolutely don't need manicure scissors or nail clippers
> for the length of a flight. (Yes I am aware of theories that even "eye
> liner" pencils are essential--I just disagree, that's all.) And buy a
> bottle of water in the airport. Overall, this will cost you maybe a
> dollar more--if at all--and a bit of time at the baggage claim ...
>
> > I've been wanded and patted.  I don't like the wanding but the patting
> > is nice.
>
> TMI


Well, that fixes it for me. I'll have to do check in tomorrow on my way to
Vegas. I'd hoped to do carry on but I can't imagine not needing my nail
clippers or cuticle clippers. I'm not such a girly girl...it's just that I
have cuticle issues.

I really want to travel light. Maybe I'll just buy some if I need them,
there.

Sandra

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The Library has now moved to its temporary site while the old one is undergoing heavy reconstruction. This will last for at least two years, and some of us might wish not to go back. We have moved into a building complex where part of the Ministry for foreign affairs moved out. It is more central than the old place and much more well kept. During WW II the Gestapo hedquarter in occupied Norway was here, so I expect there are some ghosts. Before that, near the end of the 19th century, Henrik Ibsen had a flat here for some years - his dining room is now (temporary) part of our offices. A giff is available:

http://intern.nb.no/html/Victoria_Terrasse.htm

Espen

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19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
>> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
>> anyway
>>
>> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
>>
>> Karen
>
>That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
>time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
>because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
>but it was illegal to have them on your person.
>
>I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.

In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll their own cigarettes.

Espen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sunday, June 22, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>
>>>On Saturday, June 21, 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>       I suppose nobody is interested in a WHTMOMB (not very
>>>>interesting anyhow).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Are you feeling chopped liverish? I always want to know.
>>>
>
>
>>        Why would I feel like chopped liver?
>>
>
> Your "I suppose nobody is interested" comment is a direct bid for
> attention.


        Oh, well.

        Anyway, nothing interesting happened.  I partied too much on
a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm thinking that
I'm too old for that shit.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On 23 Jun 2003 at 5:43, Rita Chapman wrote:

> I partied too much on a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm
> thinking that I'm too old for that shit.

Nonsense. You're only 23.

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Richard:
> I find these updates fascinating.
>
> I bought green ketchup yesterday.

I made Beer Can Chicken for the first time yesterday. Delicious! Crispy skin, moist meat, smoky flavor. Highly recommended. Oh, and low maintenance.

Marie

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> I bought green ketchup yesterday.

I did it some time ago, too. My, I thought they had produced it in good will
and couldn't think they played such nasty tricks. Aamf, I thought it was
made of green tomatoes, either of a particular sort or just a bit raw, for
raw tomatoes can be used sometimes very well when cooking some dish.

Nothing of the kind! It actually tasted the same as normal ketchup would but
I was the only brave one in the family who ate it. And at last still the
small bottle, more than half full, was thrown away. Why should they add dark
green colour to a ketchup? It was made in Germany, I think.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> > I bought green ketchup yesterday.
>
> I did it some time ago, too. My, I thought they had produced it in good will
> and couldn't think they played such nasty tricks.

Oh, you bought it only yesterday! Bon appetite, then. Maybe I shouldn't have
revealed my emotions about it so early. But it looks rather awful, doesn't it?

Kristin

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=
=        Anyway, nothing interesting happened.  I partied too much on
= a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm thinking that
= I'm too old for that shit.
=

You will continue to think this for a long time.  I still
do, anyway.  It will not, however, stop you from partying
too much.  Mind your fluids.  Enough water will help tremendously.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
> all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took
> my wine
> opener the first time.

That's funny. I had the same ones taken from me (from a little set, right?) before my flight to San Diego. Never been used. I guess I threw them into my bag after I got the GWP. I had no idea they were even in there. They only took the cuticle scissors, though, not the nail file.

Marie

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> Marie is going to be jealous if you start flirting with Lynne too, you
> lusty "Bob from accounting", you!
>
> clo

Am I so transparent?

Marie

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I think Pete has hit the nail on the head.  A fine bit of sleuthing, Sir.
 
BrP  
 


>>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 06/22/03 05:57PM >>>
Natalie Maynor writes,

>something about 12 November 1860 -- something like looks sort of like
>"From transcended" or "From tonsuls ended."  That's what I'm trying to

I've got a guess, but don't want to prejudice anybody else guessing, so
I'll leave a bunch of blank lines.  If you don't want to be confused (or
have the fun spoiled), look at the document for a while first, then scroll
down.






























"Sworn to& subscribed 12th"

Comments:

* the first "S" in "Sworn" is tricky, as other instances of capital "S" are
written in block style, but look at the first line, "The State of Alabama"
-- same shape "S".

* After looking at it for a while, I'm pretty confident of "Sworn".

* "to&" - I'm fairly confident of this one, although I didn't look through
the rest of the document for a similar ampersand.  Finding one would make
me more certain.  (Not finding one wouldn't suprise me much, though.)

* "subscribed" -- pretty messy, and the "i" is pretty much
non-existent.  Not overly confident of this one, but taken together with
the rest of the phrase, it makes sense.  OTOH, if you look six lines up, at
"that such other witnesses subscribed their names as such, in", it's close.

Methodology:

* Google for similar documents based on a fairly unique phrase; I ended up
using <sound-and-disposing-mind-and-memory judge-of-probate>.

* Found:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/lowndes/wills/willbookc/spnesmith.txt 
Subscribed and sworn to before me July 23rd, 1862
James W. Graham
Judge of Probate

and noted the similar signature phrase "Subscribed and sworn to".  Decided
the phrase could be "Sworn to& subscribed" instead.

* Googled a lot for judge "Maddell", until finally I figured out it was
really "Waddell" (his "W" really throws me), then found:
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:guIlsPPpYbsJ: 
ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/russell/probate/ebrownng.txt 
Sworn to & subscribed before}
me this 1st of Oct. 1860  }

James X Browning (his mark)

Geo H Waddell  (his signature)
Judge

So Judge Waddell has apparently used the wording "Sworn to & subscribed" on
other documents.

* weird coincidence:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/coosa/wills/wmills.txt 
Another Alabama will being researched by somebody from Starkville, MS

* ObIntercourse:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/lowndes/wills/willbookc/spnesmith.txt 
"...that his acquaintance with the said Testator has been long and
intimate, their intercourse having been both social and legal; both
practicing lawyers, that their said intimacy has been at least ten years
duration..."

Pete

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We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank God. So many
boxes every where.


alec

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steph wrote:

> =
> =        Anyway, nothing interesting happened.  I partied too much on
> = a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm thinking that
> = I'm too old for that shit.
> =
>
> You will continue to think this for a long time.  I still
> do, anyway.  It will not, however, stop you from partying
> too much.  Mind your fluids.  Enough water will help tremendously.


        I would if I could keep it down.




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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 23 Jun 2003 at 5:43, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>I partied too much on a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm
>>thinking that I'm too old for that shit.
>>
>
> Nonsense. You're only 23.


Thanks :).




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Doris Markland wrote:

> Despite the fact that:
>
> 1.  I had never made Span before
> 2.  It took me forever
> 3.  The dough wasn't perfect
> 4.  I froze the completed dish
> 5.  I thawed it out
> 6.  I baked it, crossing my fingers
> 7.  No one in my family had ever heard of it
>
>
> Result:
>
> 1.  Everybody loved it.
> 2.  It turned out perfect
> 3.  The vegetarian DIED!
> 4.  Her husband, who is so picky he eats
>     almost nothing except beef and potatoes,
>     RAVED!
> 5. Everyone else ate it, without explanation
> 6.  There are only two small pieces left in
>      the pan.
> 7.  It was worth it, although along the way
>     I questioned it.
>
> Thanks, Rita.


        You're more than welcome :).



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At 10:05 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank God. So many
>boxes every where.

Excellent.  Now the fun begins (Where do we put all this stuff?).

cwv

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Congratulations !   

>>> plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU 06/23/03 10:05AM >>>
We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank God. So many
boxes every where.


alec

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6/22/2003, 3:47 PM, Betty wrote:

B> Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
B> all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took my wine
B> opener the first time.

I forgot a pocket knife once.  Just spaced it out.  It was only a
cheap three buck thing, but....when I emptied my pockets into the
tray, I said "oh shit" to myself, and handed it to the guy.  He
immediately started yelling "weapon, weapon, supervisor, weapon,
supervisor" like I'd drawn a .44 on him.  Supervisor came running and
asked where the knife came from (was still in my hand).  I said "I'm
trying to GIVE it to him, since I forgot to leave it at home".  After
a minute the supervisor got the guy calmed down and told him to take
the knife and dispose of it.  My handsearch was MUCH more thorough
than usual that time.

It isn't like I had it concealed in my shoe or tried to take it
through or anything.....good grief.

dan

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6/22/2003, 3:41 PM, human powered vehicle wrote:

hpv> Oh, and I bought a pacifier to hang
hpv> off my handlebars.  The 5th Circuit
hpv> Court of Appeals has ruled that, as
hpv> drug paraphernalia, they are illegal.

I know I'm getting old, but why and how are they drug paraphernalia?

dan

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6/22/2003, 3:53 PM, Larry Clark wrote:

>>They've broken the nail files off of all my nail clippers.

LC> It seems to me that if they are going to go to this extreme they should be
LC> confiscating ball point pens - every bit as dangerous.

    hey, quit trying to be logical.

dan

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6/22/2003, 4:17 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
>> all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took my wine
>> opener the first time.

KK> I'm still angry at having my nailfile confiscated.

     Damn, yes, I'd get an ulcer over that too.....

dan

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> 6/22/2003, 4:38 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> Thank you. They gave me the number of the agency in Washington to
> talk KK> to, and I shall use this. (What's odd is that the Monday Night
> KK> Knitting ladies have brought their knitting on domestic flights with
> KK> no problem. I don't get it.)
>
> A friend who knits says that knitting needles used to be forbidden but
> that months or a year ago they changed that rule.

As I said, that's what my knitting friends say, too. But if the airline
says different, and they are the ones who are doing the confiscating, I
don't want to risk it.

Karen

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6/22/2003, 4:15 PM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> Btw, I don't know who exactly wrote this will.  I had assumed when
NM> glancing at it when I first got it that William H. Maynor had,
NM> especially since it includes what is said to be his signature.  But
NM> everything is in the same handwriting, even the parts written after his
NM> death.  Either everybody had identical handwriting back then, or
NM> somebody else wrote the whole thing.

Wouldn't it have been written by the lawyer, or the lawyer's clerk, or
similar?  It sounds to official and legal to be one done by an average
citizen.  (not that Natalie's ancestors were average, of course)

dan

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6/22/2003, 4:38 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Thank you. They gave me the number of the agency in Washington to talk
KK> to, and I shall use this. (What's odd is that the Monday Night
KK> Knitting ladies have brought their knitting on domestic flights with
KK> no problem. I don't get it.)

A friend who knits says that knitting needles used to be forbidden but
that months or a year ago they changed that rule.

dan

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Marie, on beer can chicken:

WHAT!?!?

After it had been <pronounced> here on
WORDS-L as being unutterably white
trash, on a par with fried turkey?!?

--
Richard

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6/22/2003, 6:07 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:

>> What does buying your water at the airport buy you?

AB> He means that if you buy your water AFTER the inspections, they won't make
AB> you take a sip.

AB> I like it when they make me take a sip!  Next time I am going to take a
AB> big gulp and then keel over, frothing and twitching.

Sounds like a good way to get your ass in jail.

dan

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6/22/2003, 6:11 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> > Purchase it once you've passed security.
>>
>> I repeat, what does that gain you?

TS> Why does every action have to gain YOU something? Why can't
TS> you lighten the load on overworked security people?

   And by checking your fucking bag you lighten the load on all your
   fellow passengers, get everyone boarded faster, and don't have to
   smash five other people in the aisle seats with your fucking bag.

dan

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Kristin, on green ketchup:
>But it looks rather awful, doesn't it?

Well, once I reminded myself that
I slather green stuff on other
things I eat, I got past that.

It seemed thicker, but that might
just have been in my mind.  But
it *does* look like green mud.

--
Richard

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> 6/22/2003, 4:17 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
>>> all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took my
>>> wine opener the first time.
>
> KK> I'm still angry at having my nailfile confiscated.
>
>      Damn, yes, I'd get an ulcer over that too.....

I haven't been able to find another one like the one that was confiscated.
I don't have an ulcer over it, but it's annoying.

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:18 am
> At 10:05 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank
> God. So many
> >boxes every where.
>
> Excellent.  Now the fun begins (Where do we put all this stuff?).

And, Alec, where's the gif?

Congrats!

Marie

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6/22/2003, 6:43 PM, Betty wrote:

>>invisible herring, don't you have teeth?

B> Ewwww! Where have you hands been lately?

The sinks don't work on the planes you take?  How many hangnails per
flight do you get, and why?

And, conversely, where has your mouth been lately?

dan

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From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> Marie, on beer can chicken:
>
> WHAT!?!?
>
> After it had been <pronounced> here on
> WORDS-L as being unutterably white
> trash, on a par with fried turkey?!?

Had it been?

No, we just said that it originated in TEXAS. You took it from there...

Marie

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6/22/2003, 8:50 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
>>
>> Karen

LW> That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
LW> time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
LW> because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
LW> but it was illegal to have them on your person.

     They're NOT illegal.  The court threw that out.


dan

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Kristin:
> green colour to a ketchup? It was made in Germany, I think.

What'll those crazy huns think up next?

--
Richard, Alsatian, I swear

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And, please remind me, what is wrong with fried turkey?

Rita L.  (happily classifying myself as white trash if that's the only
way to have fried turkey...YUM!)

Marie Ascher wrote:

>From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
>
>
>>Marie, on beer can chicken:
>>
>>WHAT!?!?
>>
>>After it had been <pronounced> here on
>>WORDS-L as being unutterably white
>>trash, on a par with fried turkey?!?
>>
>>
>
>Had it been?
>
>No, we just said that it originated in TEXAS. You took it from there...
>
>Marie
>
>

--

Rita Leonard
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6/23/2003, 6:37 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

KS> Nothing of the kind! It actually tasted the same as normal ketchup would but
KS> I was the only brave one in the family who ate it. And at last still the
KS> small bottle, more than half full, was thrown away. Why should they add dark
KS> green colour to a ketchup? It was made in Germany, I think.

Same reason they make it in purple and other nontraditional colors.
For kids, to get them to eat more ketchup.

dan

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Marie:
> No, we just said that it originated in TEXAS.

Ah, yes, I think you're right.

You aren't the one who took a sissy
swipe at rednecks anyway.

--
Richard, just a Mama Rosa's pizza

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6/22/2003, 8:42 PM, Anne Toal wrote:

AT> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:19:33 -0700, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
AT> wrote:

>>I'm supposing that they can be dipped in <something> or coated with some
>>illegal substance, but I'm only guessing.

AT> X-heads put them in their mouths to keep from grinding their teeth down to
AT> nothing. They became a way of signaling that a person is on Ecstasy,
AT> therefore might know where to buy some.

But the cited decision says they can NOT ban them.


dan

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> I know I'm getting old, but why and how are they drug paraphernalia?

Hey, tell it to the judge(s).

http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1056178522150940.xml?nola

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At 08:31 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> > Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
> > all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took
> > my wine
> > opener the first time.
>
>That's funny. I had the same ones taken from me (from a little set,
>right?) before my flight to San Diego. Never been used. I guess I threw
>them into my bag after I got the GWP. I had no idea they were even in
>there. They only took the cuticle scissors, though, not the nail file.
>
>Marie

Same here and same set. I was looking forward to using those scissors though.

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At 10:05 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank God. So many
>boxes every where.


Congratulations!


The ones you don't unpack within a few months just toss. Rashmi, are you
fully unpacked? steph?

Betty

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At 08:30 AM 6/23/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>I forgot a pocket knife once.  Just spaced it out.  It was only a
>cheap three buck thing, but....when I emptied my pockets into the
>tray, I said "oh shit" to myself, and handed it to the guy.  He
>immediately started yelling "weapon, weapon, supervisor, weapon,
>supervisor" like I'd drawn a .44 on him.  Supervisor came running and
>asked where the knife came from (was still in my hand).  I said "I'm
>trying to GIVE it to him, since I forgot to leave it at home".  After
>a minute the supervisor got the guy calmed down and told him to take
>the knife and dispose of it.  My handsearch was MUCH more thorough
>than usual that time.
>
>It isn't like I had it concealed in my shoe or tried to take it
>through or anything.....good grief.

Oh, my.  They took my mace once but Larry went and got it back.

Betty

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From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
> > No, we just said that it originated in TEXAS.
>
> Ah, yes, I think you're right.
>
> You aren't the one who took a sissy
> swipe at rednecks anyway.

Nope. Some of my best friends...

In any case I have a weakness for tuna casserole, which may be the ultimate white trash food, eh?

Marie

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> From: human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
>> > No, we just said that it originated in TEXAS.
>>
>> Ah, yes, I think you're right.
>>
>> You aren't the one who took a sissy
>> swipe at rednecks anyway.
>
> Nope. Some of my best friends...
>
> In any case I have a weakness for tuna casserole, which may be the
> ultimate white trash food, eh?

Are you insane? It's the native food of Middle America.

This is tuna potato chip casserole, right?

Karen

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At 10:22 AM 6/18/2003 -0600, Dan wrote:

>6/17/2003, 3:27 PM, Terry Wild wrote:
>
>
>TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
>
>TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
>     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?

I'm around, and am tending to read in vast large clumps these days... why,
I've even occasionally thrown in a comment or two!

--Elaine

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At 01:23 PM 6/18/2003 -0400, Tony wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 10:22, Dan Lester wrote:
>
> > TW> Fri 19th Don Moore
> >
> > TW> Sat 20th Elaine Brennan and Emily Harminc
>
>Friday's the 20th on my calendar...
>
> >     Has anyone heard from these three in the last few years?
>
>Emily's certainly around, but she's never posted to the list. She
>turns 9(!) this year. I think she's still a bit young for WORDS-L.
>
>I haven't seen Elaine for a few years now.

yeah, but your opportunities are coming -- three trips to Toronto between
now and Labor Day!

--Elaine

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6/23/2003, 9:16 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> In any case I have a weakness for tuna casserole, which may be the
>> ultimate white trash food, eh?

KK> Are you insane? It's the native food of Middle America.

KK> This is tuna potato chip casserole, right?

   Tuna, cheese, noodles required.  Potato chips on top are optional.
   Vegetables such as peas or broccoli also optional.  (Guess it
   depends on what your mother had in her cupboard, or how health
   conscious she was)

dan

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At 08:40 AM 6/23/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:

>    And by checking your fucking bag you lighten the load on all your
>    fellow passengers, get everyone boarded faster, and don't have to
>    smash five other people in the aisle seats with your fucking bag.
>
>dan

Take a breath, Dan.  I'm not checking a bag that is so small it holds only
clean underwear and one change of clothing, and shoes.

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> 6/23/2003, 9:16 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> In any case I have a weakness for tuna casserole, which may be the
>>> ultimate white trash food, eh?
>
> KK> Are you insane? It's the native food of Middle America.
>
> KK> This is tuna potato chip casserole, right?
>
>    Tuna, cheese, noodles required.  Potato chips on top are optional.
> Vegetables such as peas or broccoli also optional.  (Guess it
>    depends on what your mother had in her cupboard, or how health
>    conscious she was)

I never had it with broccoli. I don't remember noodles, either. The potato
chips are not just on top, they are throughout.

Karen

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> it *does* look like green mud.

:)

So much about getting children eat it --

>Why should they add dark
KS> green colour to a ketchup? It was made in Germany, I think.

>>Same reason they make it in purple and other nontraditional colors.
>>For kids, to get them to eat more ketchup.

>>dan

Otoh, little kids are sometimes seen trying to eat mud or sand or
whatever...

Kr.

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> TS> Why does every action have to gain YOU
> something? Why can't
> TS> you lighten the load on overworked security
> people?
>
>    And by checking your fucking bag you lighten the
> load on all your
>    fellow passengers, get everyone boarded faster,
> and don't have to
>    smash five other people in the aisle seats with
> your fucking bag.
>
> dan

Uh oh. They're ganging up.


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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > In any case I have a weakness for tuna casserole, which may be the
> > ultimate white trash food, eh?
>
> Are you insane? It's the native food of Middle America.

Aren't "white trash" and "Middle America" synonymous?
>
> This is tuna potato chip casserole, right?

No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and tuna. One of *uc*'s specialties...

Marie

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> From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> > In any case I have a weakness for tuna casserole, which may be the
>> ultimate white trash food, eh?
>>
>> Are you insane? It's the native food of Middle America.
>
> Aren't "white trash" and "Middle America" synonymous?

No. From wikipedia: "As an epithet, white trash, or the more extended poor
white trash first came into common use in the 1830s. The Oxford English
Dictionary identifies it in its earliest usage as an American pejorative
used by the slaves of gentlemen against poor whites who worked in the
field. Some might argue that the term belongs to a category of insults
focusing on behavioral characteristics (such as mannerisms, lifestyle)
rather than overt racial characteristics (as with nigger, yid). The term
is probably most used in the southeast of the United States of America.

The nature of the term "white trash", the people to whom it has been
applied, and the motivation of people applying the term is studied in
connection to racism and politics. In full historical context the term is
difficult to define and any definition must be considered with respect to
the context in which the epithet was applied. For example, the racial
meaning of "white" has changed. 150 years ago immigrants from
mediterranean Europe would not have been considered "white". At present,
the U.S. census would consider these same people, such as Italians and
Italian Americans to be "white".

Related, but not necessarily equivalent, terms include Trailer park trash,
Redneck, Hick and Hillbilly."

>> This is tuna potato chip casserole, right?
>
> No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and tuna.
> One of *uc*'s specialties...

Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!

Karen

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Betty Clark:
= At 10:05 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= >We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank God. So
= >many
= >boxes every where.
=
=
= Congratulations!
=
=
= The ones you don't unpack within a few months just toss. Rashmi, are you
= fully unpacked? steph?
=
= Betty

Yes Ma'am.  We are unpacked, flooded and repacked the things that
need to stay stored in plastic tubs.  Now it is time to start
throwing things away from the plastic tubs.  How many years can I
keep my camping gear before I have to throw it away if I don't go
camping anymore?

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Rita el:
> And, please remind me, what is wrong with fried turkey?

Nothing that I know of, but there
were some strong opinions expressed,
which devolved into descriptions of
drunken southerners setting themselves
on fire.

Oh, and then probably something about
auto racing.

--
Richard, by the grace of God

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At 08:53 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> > your fucking bag.
> >
> > dan
>
>Uh oh. They're ganging up.

Be not afraid.  No one pays attention.

Betty

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Karen:
> No. From wikipedia: "As an epithet, white trash,

Think the Slattery family from GWTW.

--
Cletus

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At 06:14 PM 6/23/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>Yes Ma'am.  We are unpacked, flooded and repacked the things that
>need to stay stored in plastic tubs.  Now it is time to start
>throwing things away from the plastic tubs.  How many years can I
>keep my camping gear before I have to throw it away if I don't go
>camping anymore?

There will be a need as soon as you get rid of it so you better keep
it.  Toss everything else.

Betty

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At 10:00 AM 6/23/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>part of our offices. A giff is available:
>
>http://intern.nb.no/html/Victoria_Terrasse.htm
>
>Espen

I'm forbidden.

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Dan Lester wrote:

> Wouldn't it have been written by the lawyer, or the lawyer's clerk, or
> similar?  It sounds to official and legal to be one done by an average
> citizen.  (not that Natalie's ancestors were average, of course)

It's definitely written in legalize -- as in certainly legal aid must
have been involved.  I bet the lawyer or lawyer's clerk did write the
whole thing, but what seems odd to me is that the various signatures are
also in an identical hand-writing.  Yet it talks about their "signing"
-- their being William Maynor and the various witnesses, etc.  It also
says "seal" after his signature.  I don't know how literate he was, but
surely he would've had to be somewhat literate to work for various
companies as a land agent and to be a notary public (in addition to
farming).  I feel sure he could sign at least sign his name.  Maybe this
whole thing that I have a copy of is something like the court's
transcription of the original.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 01:14 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now things
>are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:
>
>http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/
>
>I

This is very nice. I wish Samant could do something like this.  I like just
watching it go by.

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> I think Pete has hit the nail on the head.  A fine bit of sleuthing, Sir.

Yes.  I am quite happy.  And I've subsequently figured out some of the
other words I couldn't make out, though I have not yet been able to
chase any of Pete's urls since I am still online-time-deprived.  (I
think I might have said earlier that BellSouth would supposedly not
charge me for exceeding the dialup limit because of these circumstances,
but I feel sure that getting that straightened out would be a major
hassle, given that they seem to be extremely compartmentalized, with
their dialup-related personnel and their DSL-related personnel
inhabiting separate universes, with the billing people probably in still
another universe.  So the only webbing I'm doing is to UPS's tracking
site -- plus some webbing I did early yesterday from my office.  Can't
leave home today.  Am glued to my house awaiting UPS.)

The good news is this:

Jun 23, 2003    6:00 A.M.    MAYHEW, MS, US    OUT FOR DELIVERY

Interestingly, the modem did indeed fly from Jackson.  Its arrival time
in Mayhew was less than an hour after its departure time from Jackson.
Ain't no way it could've done that except by air.  (Mayhew is a tiny
community several miles from the airport.  I guess the airport area must
have Mayhew as its address.  There's a UPS office out there somewhere.)

But back to the will.  Since y'all are so good at this, you can play
with these last three questions if you want to.  (If you don't, then I
will take the will to the Special Collections archivists in the MSU
library whenever I can leave home again and solicit their help.)  I'm
missing only two words and one name now:

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/will-p1.jpg

28 lines down (4th line under "Third"):
"... to sell at public outcry all the balance of the lands of which I
may die [__?__] or possessed or may be entitled to ..."

http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/will-p3.jpg

10 lines down (2nd line under "Sixth"):
"The property which my daughters receive under this will is to be in the
sole [__?__] and exclusive use of the daughter ...."

And on the bottom right of that page (p. 3):

I can't make out the name of the Attorney General.  Its mainly the first
letter of his last name that I'm having trouble with.  The name of the
AG is no doubt findable somewhere, of course.

Uh oh.  I just noticed that p. 3 isn't a very clear page -- i.e., my
picture-taking wasn't as good on it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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6/23/2003, 9:34 AM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

KS> Otoh, little kids are sometimes seen trying to eat mud or sand or
KS> whatever...

My grandkids have said green or purple ketchup are neat because it
looks gross but isn't.  It grosses out other people, presumably some
kids, and old people.

dan

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6/23/2003, 10:11 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:

MA> No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and tuna. One of *uc*'s
MA> specialties...

To me the Kraft Dinner is preferable, as I don't like the deluxe crap
with the gloppy cheezewhiz stuff.  And I'd prefer it with flat noodles
instead of the others.  But would eat yours gladly, too.

dan

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> 6/23/2003, 10:11 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> MA> No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
> tuna. One of *uc*'s MA> specialties...
>
> To me the Kraft Dinner is preferable, as I don't like the deluxe crap
> with the gloppy cheezewhiz stuff.  And I'd prefer it with flat noodles
> instead of the others.  But would eat yours gladly, too.

A pox on all your houses!

Karen

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6/23/2003, 10:44 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> A pox on all your houses!

Having just potato chips instead of noodles of some sort would make it
VERY salty, and VERY greasy, t'would seem.  I'm familiar with a bunch
of crushed chips on top to make it crunchy on top.

dan

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human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

> >Most of the time it goes over my head.
>
>Far be it from me to speak for
>JMW, but I'd say it's less a case
>of over-the-headness than a case of
>those-who're-supposed-to-get-it-will

Most of the time it comes across as - lookee
here I'm soooo cool and all insidery. Other
times it's cute in a nice way.

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6/23/2003, 10:36 AM, Natalie Maynor wrote:

NM> I feel sure he could sign at least sign his name.  Maybe this
NM> whole thing that I have a copy of is something like the court's
NM> transcription of the original.

   That makes sense.  That is a legal copy of it, since they were a
   little short on photocopy machines back then.

   Can't you imagine the fun of transcribing that stuff all day?
   Almost as much fun as monks recopying scripture for their whole
   lives.

   But I am glad both were done.

dan

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Marie:

>No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and tuna.

I like tuna and noodles (pref. with potato chips) but am incapable of
eating anything made with cream of mushroom soup. Cultural baggage,
I call it.

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> 6/23/2003, 10:44 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> A pox on all your houses!
>
> Having just potato chips instead of noodles of some sort would make it
> VERY salty, and VERY greasy, t'would seem.  I'm familiar with a bunch of
> crushed chips on top to make it crunchy on top.

I have eaten it as an adult, but only at the house of my parents, and then
rarely, so I can't claim to actually be familiar with it any more.

Karen

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> I like tuna and noodles (pref. with potato chips) but am incapable of
> eating anything made with cream of mushroom soup. Cultural baggage, I
> call it.

You would like the soup that Ligniere makes with c. of m. soup. I thought
he was insane, but it was very good.

Karen

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Marie:

>I made Beer Can Chicken for the first time yesterday.

But did you use a Texas-shaped beer can holder/base?

>                               Delicious! Crispy skin, moist meat, smoky
>flavor. Highly recommended. Oh, and low maintenance.

I'll have to try this. I'm in super lo-maintenance cooking mode.

-rashmi

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>> Are you reading Malinowski?
>
>There was a guy who played for
>a few NHL teams in the 1980s
>named Merlin Malinowski.
>
>I don't suppose it's the same
>person though, huh?
>
>(In other hockey news, Roger
>Nielson died.)
>
An Flyers coach for a while. Too bad.


alec

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At 09:44 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:
> > 6/23/2003, 10:11 AM, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > MA> No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
> > tuna. One of *uc*'s MA> specialties...
> >
> > To me the Kraft Dinner is preferable, as I don't like the deluxe crap
> > with the gloppy cheezewhiz stuff.  And I'd prefer it with flat noodles
> > instead of the others.  But would eat yours gladly, too.
>
>A pox on all your houses!

If they don't eat it over the sink, it's okay.

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At a recent party, a friend added wine to a vodka punch -- another friend said there was actually a particular word for <cutting a spirit-drink w/ wine> but couldn't think what it was.

Any clues out there amongst the wordslers?  

I've re-subbed, now that my book is out and I have the occasional minute or two of free time, so an answer on-list will be fine. 

--bayla  

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Bayla:
>a particular word for <cutting a spirit-drink w/ wine>

Martini?

--
Richard     3 : 1 : 0.5

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'Spiking it... the punch was spiked with vodka.

'Alan




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At a recent party, a friend added wine to a vodka punch -- another friend
said there was actually a particular word for <cutting a spirit-drink w/
wine> but couldn't think what it was.

Any clues out there amongst the wordslers?

I've re-subbed, now that my book is out and I have the occasional minute or
two of free time, so an answer on-list will be fine.

--bayla

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Someone tell me how much of this is pure bunk.

'Alan

***

Subject: Conveniently Forgotten Facts


Conveniently Forgotten Facts 

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow black 
panther named... Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was suspected 
of disloyalty. 

Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his friends 

tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him. 

When they got tired of torturing Rackley, Black Panther member, Warren 

Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head. 

Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New 

Haven, Conn. 

Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to 

these Black Panthers. 

In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the 

killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a 

scholarship to Harvard and became good friends with none other than Al Gore. 
He later became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College. 


Isn't  that something? 


As a '60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head, and a few 

years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant college dean! 


Only in America! 


Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the water 

for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a 

California School Board. 

How in the world do you think these killers got off so easy? 

Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to 

the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so 

far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the 

accused Black Panthers during their trial. 

One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, 
as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member of a California 
School Board. He is now head of the US Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, 
appointed by none other than Bill Clinton. 


O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? 


Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? 

Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No, neither! 

The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University at the time. 
She is now known as The "smartest woman in the world " 

She is none other than the Democratic senator from the State of New York----our former First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton. 


And now, as Paul Harvey said; You know "the rest of the story." 


Pass this on! This deserves the widest possible press. 

Also remember it, if and when she runs for President. 

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r. murthy:
> lookee here I'm soooo cool and all insidery.

EEEEEEEEW!  I will stop IMMEDIATELY.

But in other matters:  While waiting to
go to dinner last night, I was killing
time looking at Greenspan's wife doing
a piece on this Indian school, ITT.

Were you a victim^W student?

Second: In today's paper, some Indian
official was quoted about something or
other, but he goes by just one name.

(Indonesians do this, too, IIRC.)

Now, I am hoping I am not coming off
as a culturally insensitive oaf; this
is a serious question...

In these monster-population countries,
wouldn't you need _more_ of a name,
not less?  What's the story behind the
tradition?

--
Richard

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dan:
>    Can't you imagine the fun of transcribing that stuff all day?

I prefer not to.

--
Bartleby
(sorry Rashmi, it doesn't work w/out the .sig)

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no - too busy drinking MountainDew...  -After- my pot of coffee.

Check this out:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/panthers.htm



----- Original Message -----
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> > 'Spiking it... the punch was spiked with vodka.
> >
> > 'Alan
>
> Can you really read, Alan?
>
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bayla Singer" <bayla2@earthlink.net>
> > To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:58 PM
> > Subject: word quest
> >
> >
> > At a recent party, a friend added wine to a vodka punch -- another
> > friend said there was actually a particular word for <cutting a
> > spirit-drink w/ wine> but couldn't think what it was.
> >
> > Any clues out there amongst the wordslers?
> >
> > I've re-subbed, now that my book is out and I have the occasional minute
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> > --bayla
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> Karen

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> time looking at Greenspan's wife doing

Wait -- I have my newspeople mixed
up, don't I?

Lesley Stahl's on  60 Minutes,
Andrea Mitchell is on...  Something
else.

Dammit.

--
Richard

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> 'Spiking it... the punch was spiked with vodka.
>
> 'Alan

Can you really read, Alan?

>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bayla Singer" <bayla2@earthlink.net>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:58 PM
> Subject: word quest
>
>
> At a recent party, a friend added wine to a vodka punch -- another
> friend said there was actually a particular word for <cutting a
> spirit-drink w/ wine> but couldn't think what it was.
>
> Any clues out there amongst the wordslers?
>
> I've re-subbed, now that my book is out and I have the occasional minute
> or two of free time, so an answer on-list will be fine.
>
> --bayla


Karen

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Marie Ascher
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:47 AM
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>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:18 am
>> At 10:05 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>> >We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank
>> God. So many
>> >boxes every where.
>>
>> Excellent.  Now the fun begins (Where do we put all this stuff?).
>
>And, Alec, where's the gif?
>
>Congrats!
>
>Marie
>

Happy to find my clothes for work this morning. Pictures will take a while.


alec

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http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/hillarypanthers.htm
 
BrP
 
 


>>> awild@URI.EDU 06/23/03 01:21PM >>>
Someone tell me how much of this is pure bunk.

'Alan

***

Subject: Conveniently Forgotten Facts


Conveniently Forgotten Facts 

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow black 
panther named... Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was suspected 
of disloyalty. 

Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his friends 

tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him. 

When they got tired of torturing Rackley, Black Panther member, Warren 

Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head. 

Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New 

Haven, Conn. 

Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to 

these Black Panthers. 

In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the 

killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a 

scholarship to Harvard and became good friends with none other than Al Gore. 
He later became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College. 


Isn't  that something? 


As a '60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head, and a few 

years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant college dean! 


Only in America! 


Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the water 

for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a 

California School Board. 

How in the world do you think these killers got off so easy? 

Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to 

the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so 

far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the 

accused Black Panthers during their trial. 

One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, 
as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member of a California 
School Board. He is now head of the US Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, 
appointed by none other than Bill Clinton. 


O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? 


Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? 

Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No, neither! 

The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University at the time. 
She is now known as The "smartest woman in the world " 

She is none other than the Democratic senator from the State of New York----our former First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton. 


And now, as Paul Harvey said; You know "the rest of the story." 


Pass this on! This deserves the widest possible press. 

Also remember it, if and when she runs for President. 

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Betty Clark
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:54 AM
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>
>
>At 10:05 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company.
>Thank God. So many
>>boxes every where.
>
>
>Congratulations!
>
>
>The ones you don't unpack within a few months just toss.
>Rashmi, are you
>fully unpacked? steph?
>
>Betty
>

Nah. We have a large area to store crap. Never throw anything away.


alec

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We have several collections which have volumes and volumes of transcribed correspondence.  Two come to mind immediately - The Gerrit Smith Papers and the Oneida Community Collection.  I have often thought about the people who spent their careers neatly copying all of their employer's correspondence into a bound volume which was then carefully labeled and filed.  I think it would have been a very satisfying thing in some ways.  The content would have been interesting at least some of the time and the transcriber's discretion would have to be assured.  The neatness and accuracy would have been a source of pride and I'm sure it was a job well suited to the O-Cs of the day.  They would have made good programmers.
 
BrP


>>> rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU 06/23/03 01:30PM >>>
dan:
>    Can't you imagine the fun of transcribing that stuff all day?

I prefer not to.

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> >Uh oh. They're ganging up.
>
> Be not afraid.  No one pays attention.
>
> Betty

Sound policy.


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Dan Lester wrote:

> NM> whole thing that I have a copy of is something like the court's
> NM> transcription of the original.
>
>    That makes sense.  That is a legal copy of it, since they were a
>    little short on photocopy machines back then.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that that is the
answer.  For one thing, it explains why the word "seal" is written after
WHM's signature with a little circly thing around it (around the word
"seal").  At first I was thinking that that was something about the
photocopy -- that maybe the seal was some kind of perforation and that
somebody had written "seal" where it was.  That makes no sense.  The
thought that the whole thing was copied (by hand) makes much more sense.

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BrP writes,

>http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/hillarypanthers.htm

and

http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/hillary.html

Pete

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human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>:

> > lookee here I'm soooo cool and all insidery.

>EEEEEEEEW!  I will stop IMMEDIATELY.

Don't stop on my account! It's entertaining
and *cute*.

>But in other matters:  While waiting to
>go to dinner last night, I was killing
>time looking at Greenspan's wife doing
>a piece on this Indian school, ITT.

IIT - Indian Institute of Technology. Thank you
for not asking if I'm related to India's Bill Gates.

>Were you a victim^W student?

Nah, I'm no exam boy!

Actually my parents were protective of their sixteen year
old baby and unwilling to send me to boarding school.
Four years later they didn't bat an eyelid when I told them
I was moving ten time zones away.

>Second: In today's paper, some Indian
>official was quoted about something or
>other, but he goes by just one name.

>(Indonesians do this, too, IIRC.)

>Now, I am hoping I am not coming off
>as a culturally insensitive oaf; this
>is a serious question...

>In these monster-population countries,
>wouldn't you need _more_ of a name,
>not less?  What's the story behind the
>tradition?

Just like everything else in India it's regional. North
Indians tend to have family names so there's no
problem. In the south some folk have family names.
Others acquire a quasi-family name along the
way. Those that don't use a combination of
ancestral village and father's name as initials. So
there's no family name but there's info about
the family just the same. In cities these naming
schemes get distorted and meaningless until someone
designates one part of the name as last name and
hey presto no more "this person goes by one name".

Disc: I'm not a reliable informant on Indian anything.
Just so you know.

-rashmi

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Thanks Paul & Peter!

'Alan

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> BrP writes,
>
> >http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/hillarypanthers.htm
>
> and
>
> http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/hillary.html
>
> Pete

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> >Most of the time it goes over my head.
>
> Far be it from me to speak for
> JMW, but I'd say it's less a case
> of over-the-headness than a case of
> those-who're-supposed-to-get-it-will.
>
> --
> y'know, a Joel Hodgson thing

    As Joel himself once said, "Its like the flu - not everybody gets
it."

JMW

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Just wait until you've been there 30 years.  I have so much accumulated stuff around that I sometimes feel like just tossing a match in and being done with it.
 
 
BrP
 
 
 

>>> plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU 06/23/03 01:33PM >>>
>The ones you don't unpack within a few months just toss.
>Rashmi, are you
>fully unpacked? steph?
>
>Betty
>

Nah. We have a large area to store crap. Never throw anything away.


alec

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Betty wrote:

> http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/pacifier_win.htm

    When pacifiers are outlawed...

JMW

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  First, I made sure it
> wasn't written by *the* J.Farrell, but after some browsing it I bought
> it anyway, and started reading just lately.

    The other week "What Do You Know?" featured a caller named James from
Spirit Lake, IA.  Tweren't him, either.

JMW

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http://www.tsa.dot.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/tsa_ppitems.pdf

Knitting needles are permitted. The airline lied.

Karen

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02003-06-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 08:53 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, Lynne Weber wrote:
> >> your fucking bag.
> >
> >Uh oh. They're ganging up.
>
> Be not afraid.  No one pays attention.

True ... Dan really needs to dress it up in "polite words" ...
That's when people pay attention, I heard it from none less than
Oprah. Anyway, let us be content with the fact that nobody is as
anti-social as those first class assholes ... I am convinced that
those are not "first class" people. They are just people who paid,
that's all.

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02003-06-23 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >>> Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
> >>> all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took my
> >>> wine opener the first time.
> >
> > KK> I'm still angry at having my nailfile confiscated.
> >
> >      Damn, yes, I'd get an ulcer over that too.....
>
> I haven't been able to find another one like the one that was confiscated.
> I don't have an ulcer over it, but it's annoying.

There's a lot of anger in this room. I think we need a group hug

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What part in what sense?  What part physically?
What part operationally?

BrP

>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/23/03 15:26 PM >>>
What part of a computer is the CPU?

Karen

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Or conceptually, or artistically, or aesthetically, or spiritually?

Add others as you wish.

6/23/2003, 1:28 PM, Paul Barfoot wrote:

PB> What part in what sense?  What part physically?
PB> What part operationally?

PB> BrP

>>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/23/03 15:26 PM >>>
PB> What part of a computer is the CPU?

PB> Karen


dan

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Karen Kay writes,

>What part of a computer is the CPU?

Specifically, it's the central chip that executes the instructions, e.g.,
the Pentium or PowerPC (or 4004, 8008, 8080, Z80, 6502, 68000, 8086, 80186,
80286, 80386, etc.).

I've heard it used to mean the the tower or desktop case and stuff inside
(including the real CPU) -- the part of a personal computer system that's
not the monitor, keyboard, mouse and other peripherals.

Pete

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> Karen Kay writes,
>
>>What part of a computer is the CPU?
>
> Specifically, it's the central chip that executes the instructions,
> e.g., the Pentium or PowerPC (or 4004, 8008, 8080, Z80, 6502, 68000,
> 8086, 80186, 80286, 80386, etc.).

Thank you. (I love this chronological list of chips.:)

> I've heard it used to mean the the tower or desktop case and stuff
> inside (including the real CPU) -- the part of a personal computer
> system that's not the monitor, keyboard, mouse and other peripherals.

I think I've been using it to mean the motherboard+processor.

Anyway, I had an editing crisis. Thank you for covering my butt.

Karen

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What part of a computer is the CPU?

Karen

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> >I made Beer Can Chicken for the first time yesterday.
>
> But did you use a Texas-shaped beer can holder/base?

Nah, no need. The legs form a tripod with the can of Budweiser.

> >                               Delicious! Crispy skin, moist
> meat, smoky
> >flavor. Highly recommended. Oh, and low maintenance.
>
> I'll have to try this. I'm in super lo-maintenance cooking mode.

I did it on the gas grill, and used mesquite chips.

Get one side the grill hot on a medium high setting, and get the chips smoking. Clean the chicken (remove fat from neck and tail ends) and rub inside and out (and under the skin a little) with a basic bbq rub -- whatever you like will do. The can is then <inserted> into the tail end, and the chicken is stood up on the unlit side of the grill. Let cook for about 1.5 hours for a 4 lb bird. Cut and serve.

Marie

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> > No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
> tuna.> One of *uc*'s specialties...
>
> Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!

I know. Isn't it cute?

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> What part in what sense?

What does this mean???!!!! Something is the CPU or it isn't, there's no
sense!!!!!

You are too cosmic for me today, ET.

ET#3
(Who has ET#2 at home--who hums the theme from Star Wars...)

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>> > No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
>> tuna.> One of *uc*'s specialties...
>>
>> Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!
>
> I know. Isn't it cute?

No.

Karen

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> It's not so bad if your main concern is getting full and not what it
> tastes like.  I ate a lot of this kind of thing in college.

I know people who did that, too. But I am not in college any more, and I
don't even have to think about things like that any more, you can't make
me.

As an adult, I seldom make casseroles. I am a victim of my cruel
childhood!!!!!

Karen

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02003-06-23 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/22/2003, 6:07 PM, Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> >> What does buying your water at the airport buy you?
>
> AB> He means that if you buy your water AFTER the inspections, they won't make
> AB> you take a sip.
>
> AB> I like it when they make me take a sip!  Next time I am going to take a
> AB> big gulp and then keel over, frothing and twitching.
>
> Sounds like a good way to get your ass in jail.

My greatest fear is that Dr Borkin WILL do it one day. Because
that's the kind of person I judge Dr Borkin to be.

T Bone has spoken

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It's not so bad if your main concern is getting full and not what it tastes like.  I ate a lot of this kind of thing in college.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/23/03 03:42PM >>>
>> > No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
>> tuna.> One of *uc*'s specialties...
>>
>> Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!
>
> I know. Isn't it cute?

No.

Karen

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02003-06-23 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> >On 23 Jun 2003 at 5:43, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I partied too much on a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm
> >>thinking that I'm too old for that shit.
> >>
> >
> >Nonsense. You're only 23.
>
>
> Thanks :).

You know MEM is "dysnumeric" right?

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02003-06-23 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > Marie is going to be jealous if you start flirting with Lynne too, you
> > lusty "Bob from accounting", you!
>
> Am I so transparent?

Sheer .. the word is sheer ...

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At 07:50 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, Betty Clark wrote:
>At 08:31 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>> > Never been used.  They were a free gift from Lacome. I didn't fuss at
>> > all.  Poor kid was just doing his job. I was upset when they took
>> > my wine
>> > opener the first time.
>>
>>That's funny. I had the same ones taken from me (from a little set,
>>right?) before my flight to San Diego. Never been used. I guess I threw
>>them into my bag after I got the GWP. I had no idea they were even in
>>there. They only took the cuticle scissors, though, not the nail file.
>>
>>Marie
>
>Same here and same set. I was looking forward to using those scissors though.

I have the same set at work.  I will be sure not to bring them on a plane.
I'm still irritated over losing an allen wrench when I flew to Spain last
spring. Damn security guy didn't even know what it was.

lisa

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Hi Bayla!!

I offer to you 'balderdash':

   To make a jumbled mixture of (liquors); to mix with inferior ingredients, to adulterate.

  1674 in D'URFEY Pills (1872) III. 304 When Thames was balderdashed with Tweed. 1730 MANDEVILLE Hypochond. Dis. 279 (L.) Wine or brandy..balderdashed with two or three sorts of simple waters. 1771 SMOLLETT Humph. Cl. (1815) 143 Wine..a vile, unpalatable, and pernicious sophistication, balderdashed with cider, corn-spirit, and the juice of sloes.

Marie


----- Original Message -----
From: Bayla Singer <bayla2@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:58 pm
Subject: word quest

> At a recent party, a friend added wine to a vodka punch -- another
> friend said there was actually a particular word for <cutting a
> spirit-drink w/ wine> but couldn't think what it was.
>
> Any clues out there amongst the wordslers?
>
> I've re-subbed, now that my book is out and I have the occasional
> minute or two of free time, so an answer on-list will be fine.
>
> --bayla
>

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> I have the same set at work.  I will be sure not to bring them on a
> plane. I'm still irritated over losing an allen wrench when I flew to
> Spain last spring. Damn security guy didn't even know what it was.

You can check tools, but you can't bring them as carryon.

Karen

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02003-06-23 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> Aren't "white trash" and "Middle America" synonymous?

Man, even I know more about America than this ...

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02003-06-23 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> > No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
> >> tuna.> One of *uc*'s specialties...
> >>
> >> Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!
> >
> > I know. Isn't it cute?
>
> No.

I think it's at least as cute as saying "my sweet polenta" ...

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I cut and pasted this from a work e-mail.

Ann

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> 02003-06-23 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> > No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
>> >> tuna.> One of *uc*'s specialties...
>> >>
>> >> Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!
>> >
>> > I know. Isn't it cute?
>>
>> No.
>
> I think it's at least as cute as saying "my sweet polenta" ...

Okay--I don't think that's cute at all.

Karen

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02003-06-23 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 01:14 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >I have been extremely busy after I came back from Athens. But now things
> >are more relaxing: yesterday we launched our new site:
> >
> >http://www.nb.no/baser/diriks/
> >
> >I
>
> This is very nice. I wish Samant could do something like this.  I like just
> watching it go by.

We all have a lot of wishes, Madam. I am sorry but "Samant" doesn't
know any Norwegian ...

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At 12:41 PM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > What part in what sense?
>
>What does this mean???!!!! Something is the CPU or it isn't, there's no
>sense!!!!!
>
>You are too cosmic for me today, ET.
>
>ET#3
>(Who has ET#2 at home--who hums the theme from Star Wars...)

Too cute.

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> At 12:41 PM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> > What part in what sense?
>>
>>What does this mean???!!!! Something is the CPU or it isn't, there's no
>> sense!!!!!
>>
>>You are too cosmic for me today, ET.
>>
>>ET#3
>>(Who has ET#2 at home--who hums the theme from Star Wars...)
>
> Too cute.

Take it up with Alyce--oops, wait, you can't!

Karen

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>>Take it up with Alyce--oops, wait, you can't!<<

What happened to Alyce?!  The email I sent her came back .... 

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bayla Singer
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:38 PM
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>
>>>Take it up with Alyce--oops, wait, you can't!<<
>
>What happened to Alyce?!  The email I sent her came back ....
>

She has died.


alec

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Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear that.  I'm glad I did get to meet her, last October when I was briefly in Albany for a conference.  

-- Bayla  

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Sounds the same if you say it fast
 
It reminds me of the kind of thing one of my cow orkers would do (yes *sigh* even in libraries).  A couple years ago she served on a committee as minutes taker and she asked me to look over her first attempt at writing them up.  She had concluded her document with "Respectively summitted"  She didn't understand when I asked if she had taken up mountain climbing.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> aborkin@RAHUL.NET 06/23/03 04:07PM >>>
I cut and pasted this from a work e-mail.

Ann

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-06-23 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > Marie is going to be jealous if you start flirting with Lynne
> too, you
> > > lusty "Bob from accounting", you!
> >
> > Am I so transparent?
>
> Sheer .. the word is sheer ...


    1. Exempt, free (from service or fealty); clear, acquitted (from guilt or crime). Obs.

  c1205 LAY. 12752 Heo..habbe iqueen us scere nu & auere mare. 14.. T. CHESTRE Launfal 429 Fyfty delyverede prysouns, And made ham quyt and schere.



    2. Of the wind: ? Blowing steadily in one direction. (Cf. 9.) Obs.

  c1290 St. Michael 25 in S. Eng. Leg. 300 Nov was at a wonder Arewe, and wonder wei heo soute..A wonder schere-wynd heo was on.



    3. Of hair: Thin, sparse. Obs.

  c1400 MANDEVILLE (1839) xxiii. 252 Alle the Tartarienes han smale Eyen and litille of Berd, and not thikke hered, but schiere.



    4. Of light: Bright, shining. Of water, crystal, etc.: Clear and pure; translucent. Obs.

  1565 GOLDING Ovid's Met. IV. 47b, The water was so pure and shere a man might well haue seene And numbred all the grauell stones that in the bottome beene. a1568 Bannatyne MS. (Hunter. Club) 728 Phebus..Vnto the eist schutand his shaftis schare. 1583 B. MELBANCKE Philotimus Ddiijb, The Chrisolites & gems whereof did geue a sheere and shining light. 1587 GOLDING De Mornay xv. 274 The Soule is either a sheere body and of the nature of the Skye [orig. vn corps luisant et ætheré],..or els a bodilesse substance. 1600 HOLLAND Livy XLIV. xxxiii. 1191 Afterward they began to yeeld sheere and cleere water in great aboundance. 1871 ROSSETTI My Sister's Sleep iv, Without, there was a cold moon up, Of winter radiance sheer and thin.



    5. Of an article of food: Thin, not containing much substance. Of an animal: Lean. Obs.

  1632 Guillim's Heraldry III. xxiii. (ed. 2) 241 The Moone is the naturall and secondary cause, that the crabbes of the Sea are either full and plumme, or else sheare and (after a sort) empty. 1735 J. MOORE Columbarium 39 The Dutch Tumbler is much of the same make, but larger,..not unlike a very sheer Dragoon. 1755 Phil. Trans. XLIX. 342 The skimmed milk is very thin and sheer.



    6. a. Of textile fabrics, etc.: Thin, fine, diaphanous. Chiefly U.S. (exc. of stockings). [Cf. G. schier n., ‘cobweb lawn’.]

  1565 GOLDING Ovid's Met. IV. (1567) 49b, And yet with shere and velume wings [L. perlucentibus alis] they houer from the ground. 1641 BEST Farm. Bks. (Surtees) 106 Cocke-webbe~lawne, or tiffeny, is the sheirest and cheapest lawne of all. 1706 in Halliwell Acc. Collect. Bills, etc. (1852) 31 Shear muslins fit for head dresses and neckcloths. 1727 A. HAMILTON New Acc. E. Ind. I. xi. 125 They manufacture..in Calicoes coarse and fine, sheer and close wrought. 1848 BARTLETT Dict. Amer., Sheer,..applied..to fabrics of cotton or silk; as, sheer muslin; meaning very thin, clear, or transparent. 1904 Daily Chron. 22 Apr. 8/1 So fine (the American girl would say ‘sheer’) is the batiste or lawn used that a slip lining is necessary. 1911 E. M. CLOWES On Wallaby viii. 225 America seems to have taken to fashioning her literature with a crimping-iron and ‘sheer-lawn’, while Australia hacks hers out with a billyhook from back-block and Bush. 1934 A. WOOLLCOTT While Rome Burns 284 Ravishin
g French peasant girls with high heels, sheer stockings, and a disposition to say ‘Ooh, la la’ at appropriate intervals. 1951 in M. McLuhan Mech. Bride (1967) 95 Ivory Flakes care helps safeguard sheerest nylons. 1977 D. CLARKE Gimmel Flask iii. 56 She was..dressed in a tan moygashel suit, sheer nylons on excellent legs.



    b. absol. as n.

  1934 in WEBSTER. 1937 Jrnl. (Lincoln, Nebraska) 25 Apr. (Advt.), Saucy sheers for budgeteers. 1943 Amer. Speech XVIII. 94 [New Zealand] words like bobby-pin (English ‘kirby-grip’), sheer (dress material), tubables (washable frocks), are taken from American, not English, advertisements. 1952 C. W. CUNNINGTON Eng. Women's Clothes in Present Cent. vii. 257 Stockings..in service sheers, 4/11 to 6/11. 1966 Daily Tel. 26 Oct. 13/3 His curtain sheers..are better than the German Dralon sheers we saw in the shops last winter. 1978 Lancs. Life Apr. 85/1 There is..a new range of Swiss sheers and prints with louvred blinds to match.



    7. a. Of a material substance: Unmixed or unaccompanied with other matter. Esp. of strong drink:    (a) Undiluted with water;    (b) taken alone without solid food.

  1596 SHAKES. Tam. Shr. Ind. ii. 25 If she say I am not xiiii.d. on the score for sheere Ale. 1601 HOLLAND Pliny XXVII. iv. II. 273 Wherof they drinke..the weight of two drams in mead, wine, or sheere water [orig. aqua pura]. c1618 FLETCHER Double Marr. v, Shall I have no sheere wine then? 1625 MASSINGER New Way IV. ii, Thou neuer hadst in thy house to stay mens stomackes A peece of Suffolke cheese, or Gammon of Bacon, Or any esculent,..but sheere drinke only. 1667 Phil. Trans. II. 548, 2 or 3 spoonfuls of shier water. 1675 EVELYN Terra (1676) 18 Of pure and sheere-Sand, there's white, black, blewish [etc.]. 1755 Connoisseur No. 53. 317 She has the gout in her constitution, and whenever she feels a twitch of it, the only thing is sheer Brandy to keep it from her head. 1764 Museum Rust. I. 463 Sheer and slight sands. 1802 HEBERDEN On Gout in Beddoes Hygia VIII. 154 It has been thought that a large quantity of sheer wine is good for arthritics. 1815 SCOTT Guy M. xxxix, Sheer
ale supports him under every thing. 1873 J. GEIKIE Gt. Ice Age xi. 141 Nothing save sheer till covers the underlying rocks.



    ¶Of steel (? misapprehension of SHEAR-STEEL).

  1858 LONGFELLOW M. Standish I. 29 This breast-plate..Had it not been of sheer steel, the forgotten bones of Miles Standish Would at this moment be mould.



    b. Of an immaterial thing: Taken or existing by itself,..alone. Now rare or Obs.

  1622 MABBE tr. Aleman's Guzman's d'Alf. II. 351 When he saw all his former malice could not..doe mee any harme, with sheere money hee went about to purchase out his reuenge vpon mee. a1646 J. BURROUGHES Exp. Hosea i. (1652) 16 That what he shall deliver may be nothing but the word of God in him, sheer word of God, without any mixture of his own. 1836 I. TAYLOR Phys. Theory Another Life ii. 22 An unembodied spirit, or sheer mind, is no where.



    8. a. With a descriptive n., or one denoting a quality, condition, circumstance, etc.: Neither more nor less than (what is expressed by the n.); that and nothing else; unmitigated, unqualified; downright, absolute, pure. Cf. MERE a. 4.

  1583 B. MELBANCKE Philotimus Diij, Which wil be no lesse then sheere beggery. a1680 T. GOODWIN Expos. Eph. xxix. Wks. 1681 I. 388 To go out of himself, and by naked and sheer Faith to go to Jesus Christ alone. 1771 Junius Lett. lxiii. 324 Out of sheer love and kindness to Lord Chatham. 1789 MRS. PIOZZI France & It. I. 99 note, I was always a sheer dunce for my own part. 1837 THIRLWALL Greece III. xxiii. 269 The conspirators were not strong enough to carry their point by sheer force. 1837 CARLYLE Fr. Rev. II. III. iii, Cazalès..said, in a moment of passion, ‘the Patriots were sheer Brigands’. 1856 KANE Arct. Expl. I. xxxii. 449 Both Peterson and myself..fell asleep through sheer exhaustion. 1879 S. C. BARTLETT Egypt to Pal. vi. 145 The railway was closely skirted on the north by a sheer desert. 1885 Manch. Exam. 17 Jan. 5/4 It was a sheer mistake on the part of the driver.



    b. sheer wit: a fashionable term for some particular form of humour. Obs.

  1672 VILLIERS (Dk. Buckhm.) Rehearsal III. i. (Arb.) 67 This Scene will make you die with laughing, if it be well acted: it is a Scene of sheer Wit, without any mixture in the world, I gad. [Cf. 71 infra is not this pure Wit?] 1682 SHEFFIELD (Dk. Buckhm.) Ess. Poetry 269 That silly thing men call sheer Wit avoid, With which our Age so nauseously is cloy'd. 1738 Gentl. Mag. VIII. 206/2 The whole Strength of pretended Patriotism lies in Puns, Sheerwit, and a Horse Laugh.



    9. a. Of a descent or ascent, the face of a wall, cliff, etc.: Continued perpendicularly or very steeply down or up without break or halting-place.

  1800 WORDSW. Hart-Leap Well 50 And climbing up the hill(it was at least Four roods of sheer ascent). 1815 SCOTT Ld. of Isles III. xvi, This lake,..whose barriers drear Are precipices sharp and sheer. 1874 SYMONDS Sk. Italy & Greece (1898) I. ix. 181 A pedestal of rock..surmounted by a sheer cliff. 1877 BLACK Green Past. xxxvii. (1878) 298 The great rapids whirling by at our very feet towards the sudden and sheer descent. 1898 RIDER HAGGARD Dr. Therne 25 The precipice, which to our left was quite sheer.



    b. with -down affixed.

  1864 CARLYLE Fredk. Gt. XVII. v. (1872) VII. 47 It has cut for itself that mountain gullet, or sheerdown chasm.



    c. Of a fall or drop: Occurring straight down, happening from top to bottom (of a given height).

  1859 HAWTHORNE Marb. Faun xviii, Look over the parapet and see what a sheer tumble there might still be for a traitor.



    10. Of a blow (or the like): Delivered with full force; (hit or hitting) straight and hard. poet.

  1865 SWINBURNE Atalanta 1295 And charging with sheer tusk he drove, and smote Hyleus. 1876  Erechtheus 450 The lord Whose wheels make lightnings of the foam-flowered sea Here on this rock..one sheer blow Struck.



    B. adv.

    1. a. Completely, absolutely, altogether, quite. Used chiefly to qualify an adv. or prep., or with vbs. expressing removal, separation, cleavage, etc. (Cf. right, clean.)

  a1600 I. T. Grim the Collier IV. (1662) 52 A wily Priest..Intends to bear her shere away from all. 1611 BEAUM. & FL. Knt. Burn. Pestle V. i, I..had my feather shot sheere away. 1622 FLETCHER Span. Cur. III. i, The prerogative of your crowns will carry the matter, Carry it sheere. 1667 MILTON P.L. I. 742 Thrown by angry Jove Sheer o're the Chrystal Battlements. 1706 PHILLIPS (ed. Kersey), Sheer, altogether, quite; as This Fancy is Sheer new. 1740 SOMERVILLE Hobbinol II. 81 Cautious he crept, and with his crooked Bill Cut sheer the frail Support. 1791 COWPER Odyss VII. 113 Sheer from the threshold to the inner house [    ]. 1830 GALT Lawrie T. III. ix, I ain't a~going to be 'quivocal but to speak sheer to the point. 1852 MRS. STOWE Uncle Tom's C. vii, She vaulted sheer over the turbid current. 1854-5 LONGFELLOW Hiawatha vii, Down the trunk, from top to bottom, Sheer he cleft the bark asunder. 1863 MRS. OLIPHANT Salem Chapel xvi, She went sheer forward when the door was open.
 1896 MRS. CAFFYN Quaker Grandmother 324 In climbing over a stile, Miriam blundered, and fell sheer into the arms of John.



    b. Qualifying a numeral: Fully, no less than.

  1642 H. MORE Song of Soul II. III. iii. 45 That it must fly six hundred thousand sheere Of Germane miles.



    2. Perpendicularly or very steeply up or down; straight up or down without break or halting-place.

  1829 SCOTT Anne of G. i, A platform of rock..from the farther side of which a precipice sunk sheer down. 1831 CARLYLE Sart. Res. I. iii, It rose sheer up above the contiguous roofs. 1872 BLACK Adv. Phaeton xxvi, The leaden-coloured lake lying sheer below you. 1875 JOWETT Plato (ed. 2) III. 681 A lofty cliff, and goes down sheer into the deep sea. 1892 BIERCE In the Midst of Life 16 A stone dropped from its outer edge would have fallen sheer downward one thousand feet.

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> Sounds the same if you say it fast
>
> It reminds me of the kind of thing one of my cow orkers would do (yes
> *sigh* even in libraries).  A couple years ago she served on a committee
> as minutes taker and she asked me to look over her first attempt at
> writing them up.  She had concluded her document with "Respectively
> summitted"  She didn't understand when I asked if she had taken up
> mountain climbing.

But remember the hoohah when I quoted a headline that talked about someone
summitting Everest 8 times or 17 times or whatever it was? A lot of
Wordslers (a fairly broadly educated bunch) didn't know the word.

Karen

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> She had concluded her document with "Respectively
> summitted"  She didn't understand when I asked if she had taken up
> mountain climbing.

P.S. I think the 'respectively' sounds worse than the mountain climbing part.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 1:18:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
<<
When pacifiers are outlawed...

>>

There will be a million grumpy babies.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:19:31 AM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
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Excellent.  Now the fun begins (Where do we put all this stuff?).

>>

When we first moved to Tulsa, it took me two weeks to find my computer.

Evelyn Duncan
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--On Monday, June 23, 2003 5:43 AM -0500 Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
wrote:

> Oh, well.
>
>         Anyway, nothing interesting happened.  I partied too much on
> a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm thinking that
> I'm too old for that shit.
>

A belated happy birthday anyway!!!

Terry

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:37:54 -0400
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> Beverly Cleary is the author of the Ramona books -- her sister's name was
> Beatrice, but Ramona mispronounced it as "Beezus". She pissed her sister
> off good, and got in a lot of trouble once for blurting out "Jeezus
> Beezus" at school.
>
> Marie


She also does the mouse (Ralph) and the motorcycle books.  William enjoys
those.  I've just ordered the movies.

Terry

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 10:33:39 AM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

>I'm forbidden.
 So am I! Theo

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Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
(probably the Mahabharata).

Evelyn Duncan
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From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
> problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
> (probably the Mahabharata).

What religion is this?

Marie

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 5:09:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
Do adults go to Sunday School?

>>

Baptist ones do.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 4:57:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:
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From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
>problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
>(probably the Mahabharata).

What religion is this?

>>

Southern Baptist.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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-rashmi:
> Nah, I'm no exam boy!

My Dead White European Male POV
kept saying "Japanese cram school".
Wrong?  Right?

> problem. In the south some folk have family names.

I looked in my atlas for Bangalore (your
hometown, right?).  So you're from the
south?  And Murthi is your family name?

Oh, the guy I mentioned is the "Federal
Tourism and Culture Minister", and his
(one) name is Jagmohan.

There seems to be some concern about
building a mall on the river behind
the Taj Mahal.

--
no, the _other_ Taj Mahal

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> Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
> problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
> (probably the Mahabharata).

Do adults go to Sunday School?

Karen

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Karen:
> Okay--I don't think that's cute at all.

Wait.  I thought there's a difference
between cute and cutesy, which (since
my thesaurus is too far away from me
to find another word) makes all the
*difference*.

--
Richard

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> Karen:
>> Okay--I don't think that's cute at all.
>
> Wait.  I thought there's a difference
> between cute and cutesy, which (since
> my thesaurus is too far away from me
> to find another word) makes all the
> *difference*.

Well, I loathe cutesy--and I don't think I'm it.

Karen

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> In a message dated 6/23/2003 5:09:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
>>>
>
> Baptist ones do.

During the service or around it?

Karen

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 5:17:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
During the service or around it?

>>

Usually before if the church has only one service;
between if the church has an early and a late service.

This is the church I stopped going to because they
tried to make me feel that I was doing wrong for
working on Sundays.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> Wordslers (a fairly broadly educated bunch) didn't know the word.

Yeah, none may have seen it used or
ever used it themselves, but all knew
what it meant.

When I see these soundalike words (hey,
I TOLD you I wasn't near my thesaurus)
in writing -- and figure they're not
a typo -- I chalk it up to people
having heard the word, but have never
seen it in print.

As a counterexample (ibid.) I was in
my mid-30s before I learned how to
say the word "truculent".

Had seen it countless times (a favorite
word of Graeme Greene), knew what it meant,
but had never said it or heard it said.

So in an audition I sez I sez:

troo soo lent

Hilarity ensued, to my embarrassment.

--
Richard

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reality check bouncer:
> When pacifiers are outlawed...
> There will be a million grumpy babies.

Not if they have E.

--
Richard

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> As a counterexample (ibid.) I was in
> my mid-30s before I learned how to
> say the word "truculent".

Oh. My Mom used it on us all the time.

> Had seen it countless times (a favorite
> word of Graeme Greene), knew what it meant,
> but had never said it or heard it said.

Graham Greene.

Karen

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02003-06-23 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Just like everything else in India it's regional. North
> Indians tend to have family names so there's no
> problem. In the south some folk have family names.
> Others acquire a quasi-family name along the
> way. Those that don't use a combination of
> ancestral village and father's name as initials. So
> there's no family name but there's info about
> the family just the same. In cities these naming
> schemes get distorted and meaningless until someone
> designates one part of the name as last name and
> hey presto no more "this person goes by one name".

All well and good, but the question is meaningless. How does
it matter how populous India is? What relevance does it have?
The question is how do you practically identify a person in a
domain--a community or a region or whatever. India has pretty
small "domains". Now even in a really small esoteric domain,
the question "which Ramanujan" may arise ... but that's not
a problem brought on by the number of people in India.

> Disc: I'm not a reliable informant on Indian anything.
> Just so you know.

Who is? What I want to know is, are you related to India's
Bill Gates?

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 3:09:53 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

>When we first moved to Tulsa, it took me two weeks to find my computer.
>
I STILL haven't found everything, and I moved here begin February!
Theo

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Karen:
>>Graeme Greene.
> Graham Greene.

Right.  Him.  Maybe I was thinking
of the guy in the Goodies.

I guess I've never had to write
his name before.

--
Big Bunny.
Uxor mea mortua est.

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02003-06-23 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> -rashmi:
> > Nah, I'm no exam boy!
>
> My Dead White European Male POV
> kept saying "Japanese cram school".
> Wrong?  Right?

IITs are not cram schools. I spent many years resenting them,
and some of those guys can be real insular jackasses, but now
I can acknowledge that it is one of the few places where learning
is respected and humbly pursued. It is where the best engineering
talent in India comes from, and that's quite a lot of high grade
talent.

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Terry, on Cleary:
> She also does the mouse (Ralph) and the motorcycle books.

I had a look when I was at the library,
but chose something a little more in
line with my Reading Development Level.

--
you wouldn't believe what Curious George is up to these days!

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Evelyn:
> problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"

For July 4th, bring him a copy of the
RCC version of the Bible.

--
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02003-06-23 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> www.urbanlegends.com

Last week, for the 89th time, I heard someone say "urban myth"
on a TV show.

I hate the phrase "urban myth".

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02003-06-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> I cut and pasted this from a work e-mail.

Do you feel bless?

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02003-06-23 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> It reminds me of the kind of thing one of my cow orkers would do (yes
> *sigh* even in libraries).  A couple years ago she served on a committee
> as minutes taker and she asked me to look over her first attempt at
> writing them up.  She had concluded her document with "Respectively
> summitted"  She didn't understand when I asked if she had taken up
> mountain climbing.

Good for her ... there's no better response to smartass comments
than incomprehension ...

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 5:37:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU writes:
<<
For July 4th, bring him a copy of the
RCC version of the Bible.

>>

I have 2:  New American and NRSV.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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02003-06-23 | Marie Ascher <14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET> writes:
> > > > Marie is going to be jealous if you start flirting with Lynne too,
> > > > you lusty "Bob from accounting", you!
> > >
> > > Am I so transparent?
> >
> > Sheer .. the word is sheer ...
>
>
>     2. Blowing steadily

Yep, that's the one.

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Tushar:
> India has pretty small "domains".

Yes, I thought of this on my way
home from work today; in my small
tavern community there are four
men named John -- and never any
trouble knowing who you're talking
about.

But between the television show
I watched last night (which was
all about people going into a
Bigger World) and the newspaper
article I read today (a man being
quoted <ten time zones away>),
I was thinking, sure you're your
one-name-guy back home, but how
do I discern all the Tushars
(or Samants? really, I am trying
to not be an oaf) without tags?

--
Richard

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Do you feel bless?

Yess, I feel bless!!!  :O)

http://www.annaborinki.com

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> At 08:30 AM 6/23/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>
> >I forgot a pocket knife once.  Just spaced it out.  It was only a
> >cheap three buck thing, but....when I emptied my pockets into the
> >tray, I said "oh shit" to myself, and handed it to the guy.  He
> >immediately started yelling "weapon, weapon, supervisor, weapon,
> >supervisor" like I'd drawn a .44 on him.  Supervisor came running and
> >asked where the knife came from (was still in my hand).  I said "I'm
> >trying to GIVE it to him, since I forgot to leave it at home".  After
> >a minute the supervisor got the guy calmed down and told him to take
> >the knife and dispose of it.  My handsearch was MUCH more thorough
> >than usual that time.
> >
> >It isn't like I had it concealed in my shoe or tried to take it
> >through or anything.....good grief.
>
> Oh, my.  They took my mace once but Larry went and got it back.

Well, they took my oxygen (after I passed through security) and nearly
dragged me off the plane.


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Tushar:
>best engineering talent in India comes from,
>and that's quite a lot of high grade talent.

Yes, that's definitely the impression I took
away from the 60 Minutes piece.

The "cram school" thing came from the (to me)
feverish demonstrations of how well-rounded
it all is, the cricket games, camaraderie, etc.

But this may all be from my jaded view of that
show.  When I watched Mike Wallace putting
idiot savants through their paces like it's
some kinda fucking parlor trick, well, it
was over.

--
Greek left-handed, Latin right

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02003-06-23 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> But between the television show
> I watched last night (which was
> all about people going into a
> Bigger World) and the newspaper
> article I read today (a man being
> quoted <ten time zones away>),
> I was thinking, sure you're your
> one-name-guy back home, but how
> do I discern all the Tushars
> (or Samants? really, I am trying
> to not be an oaf) without tags?

How many are you going to have to tell apart anyway? I
have seriously never had to deal with a name clash among
Indians in America. But if it does come up, don't people
make something up, anyway? I mean the "other" John in
our company came to be called Duncan. People don't create
"global id" schemes... governments do...

Now if the question is how does the Indian government do
it--this has clearly been a solved problem for quite a
while, and certainly not unique to India. Does having a
larger population and shorter names make it qualitatively
different? In my opinion, no. If there is any global-id
problem it's with a small set of names, not large population
or short names. "Tushar Samant"--Tushar is my name, Samant
is the surname--poses little problem. On the other hand
"Mohammed Aziz" is intractable.

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02003-06-23 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> Tushar:
> >best engineering talent in India comes from,
> >and that's quite a lot of high grade talent.
>
> Yes, that's definitely the impression I took
> away from the 60 Minutes piece.
>
> The "cram school" thing came from the (to me)
> feverish demonstrations of how well-rounded
> it all is, the cricket games, camaraderie, etc.

It is a special variety of Horse's Ass [tm], but I think not the
cram school variety. IITs have always had a good amount of athletic,
musical, etc talent. That's more a reflection on where bright kids
are pushed in that society. In my part of India, it's a cliche that
the best theatrical talent comes from medical schools. the very
smartest kids are just *smart kids*, that's all. They have to
become doctors and everything, but so what ...

As for "well-rounded"--of course an engineering school would feel
a compulsion to prove that. This is a manifestation of the stupid
asymmetry which persists worldwide--no liberal arts school, or
humanities department, or "Greats", has ever had to prove that
their kids are well up on math and science. This is a medieval
(literally) attitude which refuses to go away.

> But this may all be from my jaded view of that
> show.  When I watched Mike Wallace putting
> idiot savants through their paces like it's
> some kinda fucking parlor trick, well, it
> was over.

That's exactly the mistake--showing them as idiot savants. They
are not idiot savants, they are bright students. And often they
are bright students from politically underprivileged classes.
High-price law, finance, business or civil service are relatively
difficult to rise in. Engineering is the royal road.

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02003-06-23 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Do you feel bless?
>
> Yess, I feel bless!!!  :O)

Nice nose!

> http://www.annaborinki.com

MY GOD WHAT'S THAT THE CHURCH OF THE PIMP GOD????

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    In today's Repulsive an AP story bylined Nedra Pickler quoted Dick
Gephardt as saying yesterday in Chicago:

        "When I'm president, we'll have executive orders to overcome any
wrong thing the Supreme Court does tomorrow or any other day."

    He didn't mean that, right?  Or did the glare from the torchlights
wash out his TelePromter?  I know, its that darned old Constitution
thing again, isn't it?  I don't even *want* to think how he plans to
enforce these executive orders...  Explains his gun control stance,
though.

JMW

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> She also does the mouse (Ralph) and the motorcycle books.  William enjoys
> those.  I've just ordered the movies.

Oh, I loved those too. And the ones with the mouse Sherlock Holmes. And the
Natalie Babbitt books....

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>28 lines down (4th line under "Third"):
>"... to sell at public outcry all the balance of the lands of which I
>may die [__?__] or possessed or may be entitled to ..."

"seized"

Standard phraseology:
http://www.google.com/search?q=die-seized-or-possessed
http://www.google.com/search?q=die-seized-and-possessed

>http://www.maynor.net/Genealogy/will-p3.jpg
>
>10 lines down (2nd line under "Sixth"):
>"The property which my daughters receive under this will is to be in the
>sole [__?__] and exclusive use of the daughter ...."

Really, need a better copy, but "separate" would fit.

Similar wording with "separate":
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgranvi/wills/wl-henryjones.htm
http://trevilians.com/probate/will9.htm

>I can't make out the name of the Attorney General.

Actually, it looks like "Atty in General" -- is that the same thing?  But
yeah, can't see it well enough to make out.

Pete

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I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
own.
clo

Espen Ore wrote:

> 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
> >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
> >> anyway
> >>
> >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
> >>
> >> Karen
> >
> >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
> >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
> >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
> >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
> >
> >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
>
> In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll their own cigarettes.
>
> Espen

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> On 23 Jun 2003 at 5:43, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > I partied too much on a boat cruise yesterday and this morning I'm
> > thinking that I'm too old for that shit.
>
> Nonsense. You're only 23.

I'm leaving on Weds to fly to Seattle to attend a regional Burn.
I can't wait to see if I am too old for that shit. V says I am
not only too old, but also too fat.
clo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> We made it. We moved with help of a great moving company. Thank God. So many
> boxes every where.
>
> alec

Alec,
Congratulations
clo

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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One of the really terrific things about these books is that
they are a little bit dated -- some of the details give them
away as having very obviously been written in the 70's.  It
makes them a fun little trip down memory lane.  Ana enjoys
all the Beverly Cleary books, and last year we saw a play
based on one of the books at the Civic Center.

Terry Wild wrote:

>> Beverly Cleary is the author of the Ramona books -- her sister's name was
>> Beatrice, but Ramona mispronounced it as "Beezus". She pissed her sister
>> off good, and got in a lot of trouble once for blurting out "Jeezus
>> Beezus" at school.
>>
>> Marie
>
>
>
> She also does the mouse (Ralph) and the motorcycle books.  William enjoys
> those.  I've just ordered the movies.
>
> Terry
>


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Karen Kay wrote:

>>Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
>>problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
>>(probably the Mahabharata).
>>
>
> Do adults go to Sunday School?


We have an adult class between services during the program
year.  Usually the Rector picks a book and people discuss
it.  I've never done the class, but I'm pretty sure nobody
gets hexed with Satan.




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> > Am I so transparent?
>
> Sheer .. the word is sheer ...

I somehow have the feeling Marie is translucent.  The
light shines through her.


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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> It's not so bad if your main concern is getting full and not what
> it tastes like.  I ate a lot of this kind of thing in college.
>
> BrP
>
>
>
> >>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/23/03 03:42PM >>>
> >> > No, it's Kraft Deluxe Mac & Cheese, cream of mushroom soup, and
> >> tuna.> One of *uc*'s specialties...
> >>
> >> Ick. This is worse than what I had imagined!
> >
> > I know. Isn't it cute?
>
> No.
>
> Karen

Worst college meals:
I came back to college with $75 to buy books and meals for a
semester. Until my first paycheck came in, I lived on the following:
white bread, mayo, lettuce, and grated cheese "sub"stitutes - all
my roommate felt she could swipe from the dining room without
suspicion.

clo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
> > problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
> > (probably the Mahabharata).
>
> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
> Karen

Yes, in many congregations. They did in my mother's childhood
church, and in the one I mostly grew up in.
clo

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> IITs are not cram schools. I spent many years
> resenting them,
> and some of those guys can be real insular
> jackasses, but now
> I can acknowledge that it is one of the few places
> where learning
> is respected and humbly pursued. It is where the
> best engineering
> talent in India comes from, and that's quite a lot
> of high grade
> talent.

Agreed that the level of instruction and the talent
are exceptional.  In other pieces I've seen, though,
I've been rather alarmed at the parental pressure that
is exerted to insure excellence in these young people.
 Don't you feel there can be too much pressure,
sometimes?


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Karen Kay wrote:

> > 6/22/2003, 4:38 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > KK> Thank you. They gave me the number of the agency in Washington to
> > talk KK> to, and I shall use this. (What's odd is that the Monday Night
> > KK> Knitting ladies have brought their knitting on domestic flights with
> > KK> no problem. I don't get it.)
> >
> > A friend who knits says that knitting needles used to be forbidden but
> > that months or a year ago they changed that rule.
>
> As I said, that's what my knitting friends say, too. But if the airline
> says different, and they are the ones who are doing the confiscating, I
> don't want to risk it.
>
> Karen

I've had the same dilemma, wanting to knit to pass the time but
not wanting to chance losing the needles. I know it's on the list,
but when you are there in line, it doesn't really get you anywhere
to be right when the guy with the uniform decides what you can
and can't do.

I've just found other things to do on the plane, and checked the
needlework.

Does it matter, though? Are you planning on taking a trip?
clo

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At 05:37 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>I hate the phrase "urban myth".

Stop the hate.

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I have this roller that you push that you put the stuff in to.


At 09:17 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
>poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
>own.
>clo
>
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
> > 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
> > >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
> > >> anyway
> > >>
> > >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
> > >>
> > >> Karen
> > >
> > >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
> > >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
> > >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
> > >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
> > >
> > >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
> >
> > In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll
> their own cigarettes.
> >
> > Espen

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Betty wrote:

> I have this roller that you push that you put the stuff in to.

Yeah, that works ok if you want them rolled fast, and don't
care about the artistry. Rolling them one-handed on your
knee while you squat in the yard and talk about horses or
motors - now that's an art!

'Course, you then have to light it with a zephyr strike-anywhere
and your metal jeans zipper. <sigh> Those were the days.
clo

> At 09:17 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> >I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
> >poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
> >own.
> >clo
> >
> >Espen Ore wrote:
> >
> > > 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
> > > >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
> > > >> anyway
> > > >>
> > > >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
> > > >>
> > > >> Karen
> > > >
> > > >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
> > > >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
> > > >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
> > > >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
> > > >
> > > >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
> > >
> > > In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll
> > their own cigarettes.
> > >
> > > Espen

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02003-06-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > Am I so transparent?
> >
> > Sheer .. the word is sheer ...
>
> I somehow have the feeling Marie is translucent.  The
> light shines through her.

Like a Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy? Yeah, me
too. Anything except this planet, actually.

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02003-06-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Agreed that the level of instruction and the talent
> are exceptional.  In other pieces I've seen, though,
> I've been rather alarmed at the parental pressure that
> is exerted to insure excellence in these young people.
>  Don't you feel there can be too much pressure,
> sometimes?

In India? Hell no.

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Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
hippie"?
clo

Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
> > I have this roller that you push that you put the stuff in to.
>
> Yeah, that works ok if you want them rolled fast, and don't
> care about the artistry. Rolling them one-handed on your
> knee while you squat in the yard and talk about horses or
> motors - now that's an art!
>
> 'Course, you then have to light it with a zephyr strike-anywhere
> and your metal jeans zipper. <sigh> Those were the days.
> clo
>
> > At 09:17 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> > >I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
> > >poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
> > >own.
> > >clo
> > >
> > >Espen Ore wrote:
> > >
> > > > 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
> > > > >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
> > > > >> anyway
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Karen
> > > > >
> > > > >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
> > > > >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
> > > > >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
> > > > >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
> > > > >
> > > > >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll
> > > their own cigarettes.
> > > >
> > > > Espen

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02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
> on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
> stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
> hippie"?

You could apologize for manufacturing a dilemma.

Personally, I apologize for any future misunderstanding of my posts.

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02003-06-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 05:37 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >I hate the phrase "urban myth".
>
> Stop the hate.

UNCLE!!!!

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02003-06-23 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> 02003-06-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > > Am I so transparent?
> > >
> > > Sheer .. the word is sheer ...
> >
> > I somehow have the feeling Marie is translucent.  The
> > light shines through her.
>
> Like a Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy? Yeah, me
> too. Anything except this planet, actually.

By the way ... I have a strong suspicion that "Marie" is loving
these criticisms. I mean really LOVING them. Pathetic ...

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At 09:45 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
> > on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
> > stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
> > hippie"?
>
>You could apologize for manufacturing a dilemma.
>
>Personally, I apologize for any future misunderstanding of my posts.

Apology accepted.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-23 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> > 02003-06-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > > > Am I so transparent?
> > > >
> > > > Sheer .. the word is sheer ...
> > >
> > > I somehow have the feeling Marie is translucent.  The
> > > light shines through her.
> >
> > Like a Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy? Yeah, me
> > too. Anything except this planet, actually.
>
> By the way ... I have a strong suspicion that "Marie" is loving
> these criticisms. I mean really LOVING them. Pathetic ...

What criticisms? It's clear to me that your courtship is becoming
daily more perverse.

clo

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In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:51:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
<<
02003-06-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>At 05:37 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>I hate the phrase "urban myth".
>
>Stop the hate.

UNCLE!!!!

>>

THRUSH

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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02003-06-23 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:51:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> <<
> 02003-06-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> >At 05:37 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >>I hate the phrase "urban myth".
> >
> >Stop the hate.
>
> UNCLE!!!!
> >>
>
> THRUSH

Cite.

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> Like a Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy? Yeah,
> me
> too. Anything except this planet, actually.

Could not have described her better. That was a fair
movie, too, "Zorka the Greek".

BTW, I just came across another word I abhor when used
as a verb - "disrespect".  How, when and WHY did this
come about?


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02003-06-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 09:45 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
> >> on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
> >> stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
> >> hippie"?
> >
> >You could apologize for manufacturing a dilemma.
> >
> >Personally, I apologize for any future misunderstanding of my posts.
>
> Apology accepted.

Nobody's offered it to you. I am sorry you can't understand this.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > At 09:45 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> > >> Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
> > >> on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
> > >> stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
> > >> hippie"?
> > >
> > >You could apologize for manufacturing a dilemma.
> > >
> > >Personally, I apologize for any future misunderstanding of my posts.
> >
> > Apology accepted.
>
> Nobody's offered it to you. I am sorry you can't understand this.

I meant to say, "apology excepted". Sorry you misread it.
clo

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02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>
> > > > > > Am I so transparent?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheer .. the word is sheer ...
> > > >
> > > > I somehow have the feeling Marie is translucent.  The
> > > > light shines through her.
> > >
> > > Like a Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy? Yeah, me
> > > too. Anything except this planet, actually.
> >
> > By the way ... I have a strong suspicion that "Marie" is loving
> > these criticisms. I mean really LOVING them. Pathetic ...
>
> What criticisms? It's clear to me that your courtship is becoming
> daily more perverse.

This "courtship" exists entirely in some Zorkasian mind which
I do not care to identify but rhymes with "potpourri" ... home
wrecker ***ch!

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02003-06-23 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > Like a Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy? Yeah, me
> > too. Anything except this planet, actually.
>
> Could not have described her better. That was a fair
> movie, too, "Zorka the Greek".

I know zork about the movie, but the book zorked!

> BTW, I just came across another word I abhor when used
> as a verb - "disrespect".  How, when and WHY did this
> come about?

Must be a back-formation of diss ...

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02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > 02003-06-23 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > > At 09:45 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >02003-06-23 | Carolyn Ostrander <clostran@SYR.EDU> writes:
>
> > > >> Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
> > > >> on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
> > > >> stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
> > > >> hippie"?
> > > >
> > > >You could apologize for manufacturing a dilemma.
> > > >
> > > >Personally, I apologize for any future misunderstanding of my posts.
> > >
> > > Apology accepted.
> >
> > Nobody's offered it to you. I am sorry you can't understand this.
>
> I meant to say, "apology excepted". Sorry you misread it.

I forgive you.

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The shift in the Netherlands from roll your own to filter tip
over the last ten years is visible in the crap rolling around in
the streets.  One good rain and the self-rolled butts
disintegrated.


Carolyn Ostrander:
= I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
= poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
= own.
= clo
=
= Espen Ore wrote:
=
= > 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
= > >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
= > >> anyway
= > >>
= > >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
= > >>
= > >> Karen
= > >
= > >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
= > >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
= > >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
= > >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
= > >
= > >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
= >
= > In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll their own cigarettes.
= >
= > Espen

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If you don't keep bringing it up, then fairly quickly we'll stop
giving your shit for either one.

If you need an answer to the question, I vote for 2, as it would
resemble the not-bringing-it-up thing.

Carolyn Ostrander:
= Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma! Do I explain that I am running
= on 3 hours sleep and apologize for channeling Shoshana, or do I
= stand on my w-f*ing-l ground and ignore the shit for "posting
= hippie"?
= clo
=
= Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
=
= > Betty wrote:
= >
= > > I have this roller that you push that you put the stuff in to.
= >
= > Yeah, that works ok if you want them rolled fast, and don't
= > care about the artistry. Rolling them one-handed on your
= > knee while you squat in the yard and talk about horses or
= > motors - now that's an art!
= >
= > 'Course, you then have to light it with a zephyr strike-anywhere
= > and your metal jeans zipper. <sigh> Those were the days.
= > clo
= >
= > > At 09:17 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
= > > >I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
= > > >poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
= > > >own.
= > > >clo
= > > >
= > > >Espen Ore wrote:
= > > >
= > > > > 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
= > > > > >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
= > > > > >> anyway
= > > > > >>
= > > > > >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
= > > > > >>
= > > > > >> Karen
= > > > > >
= > > > > >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
= > > > > >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
= > > > > >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
= > > > > >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
= > > > > >
= > > > > >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
= > > > >
= > > > > In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll
= > > > their own cigarettes.
= > > > >
= > > > > Espen

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=
= There will be a need as soon as you get rid of it so you better keep
= it.  Toss everything else.
=
= Betty

But!  But that's what we think about everything else!

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clo writes,

>Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma!

Don't apologize for being you.

Besides, you're only as newbie as you feel. :)

Pete

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09:24 23.06.2003 -0700 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 10:00 AM 6/23/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>>part of our offices. A giff is available:
>>
>>http://intern.nb.no/html/Victoria_Terrasse.htm
>>
>>Espen
>
>I'm forbidden.

I am sorry. But does this work?

http://www.epi.no/tschudi/vt/

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12:58 23.06.2003 -0400 skrev Bayla Singer:
>At a recent party, a friend added wine to a vodka punch -- another friend said there was actually a particular word for <cutting a spirit-drink w/ wine> but couldn't think what it was.
>
>Any clues out there amongst the wordslers?
>
>I've re-subbed, now that my book is out and I have the occasional minute or two of free time, so an answer on-list will be fine.

Congratulations! I have just finished your book and enjoyed it very much. Just one thing: the books title is A Canticle for Leibowitz. "Liebowitz" looks like an orthography-checking-program-error.

Espen

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Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.

Espen

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17:47 23.06.2003 -0400 skrev Theo Groothof:
>In a message dated 6/23/2003 10:33:39 AM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
>>I'm forbidden.
> So am I! Theo

I am sorry. But does this work?

http://www.epi.no/tschudi/vt/

Espen

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In a message dated 6/24/2003 4:11:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:
<<
Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her
and her mother at the end of next week.

>>

Congratulations!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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>>> scribble@POBOX.COM 06/23/03 06:41PM >>>
02003-06-23 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
>> It reminds me of the kind of thing one of my cow orkers would do (yes
>> *sigh* even in libraries).  A couple years ago she served on a committee
>> as minutes taker and she asked me to look over her first attempt at
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>> summitted"  She didn't understand when I asked if she had taken up
>> mountain climbing.

>Good for her ... there's no better response to smartass comments
>than incomprehension ...

 I don't know what you mean

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What a beautiful name.  Congratulations to all.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> Espen.Ore@NB.NO 06/24/03 05:11AM >>>
Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.

Espen

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Karen Kay wrote:

>>The Quakers call it First Day School
>>
>>:-)
>>
>
> Right. Not Sunday School.
>
> I had to go to Catechism when we moved to Ohio, but that was on a weeknight.


        The nuns uninvited me from catechism class.  I had to be home
schooled by my mother to make first communion (my mom is
catholic; my dad is orthodox).  I am not making this up.
Ana, however, did earn the perfect attendance award for
Sunday School and Children's Choir this year.



--
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> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit
> her and her mother at the end of next week.

Congratulations to all of you.

And like everyone else, I think this is a fabulous name.

Aurora Irene Kay

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> Karen:
>>>Graeme Greene.
>> Graham Greene.
>
> Right.  Him.  Maybe I was thinking
> of the guy in the Goodies.
>
> I guess I've never had to write
> his name before.

The actor has the same spelling.

Karen

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> IITs are not cram schools. I spent many years resenting them,
> and some of those guys can be real insular jackasses, but now
> I can acknowledge that it is one of the few places where learning
> is respected and humbly pursued. It is where the best engineering
> talent in India comes from, and that's quite a lot of high grade
> talent.

It's where all the physicists I knew at Yale went.

Karen

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> The actor has the same spelling.

Oh, him.

I was talking about a guy on a
stupid British TV show, whose
last name isn't even Greene.

--
Richard

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>> The actor has the same spelling.
>
> Oh, him.
>
> I was talking about a guy on a
> stupid British TV show, whose
> last name isn't even Greene.

Ah, well then. I should have known.

Karen

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My 13-year-old son has decided that Miniature Pinschers are the dogs for
him, which will be a new direction in dogs for me - I generally favour
the fuzzy-faced kind or those with kind eyes.  Has anyone on the list
had any experience with Minpins or have any advice to offer?  We are on
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younger pup of the desired colour and cute
prancing/jump-into-your-lap-and-lick-your-ears-off antics, but from a
marginal breeder, versus a two-month older pup, with impeccable
bloodlines from a well-established breeder, but who is not the "right"
colour and who did not greet my son with the same enthusiasm or charm
(although the breeder says he has lots of each).

Female:
Pros -
12 weeks old
chocolate colour
cute and likes to dance
settled into my son's lap and chewed on his fingers
ears not cropped (a plus for me)
we would be "rescuing" her from life in a crate

Cons -
raised in a house used as a kennel
breeder does show her dogs, but looks like she does so on a shoe-string
budget
no shots (or only the first shot) (a complete set is $177 CDN)
spaying is more expensive than neutering
ears not cropped (a minus for my son)
chocolate-coloured animals are reputed to be more prone to hyperactivity

Male:
Pros -
bought for big bucks by a reputable breeder to bolster her stock
ears cropped
all shots
cheaper to neuter than to spay
a solid, good-looking red dog
calm, not yappy

Cons -
seven months old
ears cropped
seemed somewhat aloof
didn't display any "puppy antics"
present owner decided that he wasn't show quality because of a slightly
poorly set tail and a travelling testicle (in and out)

On paper the choice seems obvious - but it is hard to discount the power
of puppy kisses and the notion you will be rescuing it from an uncertain
future.  In addition, even with the male's regal breeding (all but one
ancestor is a Champion) health/conformation problems did occur - so
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for that dog in the future, nor is it certain whether there will/won't
be future health/temperment problems with the female puppy.

Any suggestions and/or advice?  Both dogs are similarly priced.  The pup
will have to find its rung on the hierarchy ladder in a home with three
male ragdoll cats, a large husky/lab 5-year-old spayed female, two
budgies, a hamster and a chinchilla.

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Espen:

>Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit
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> 1) Why would you need to?  There's only one.
> 2) UPsS
> 3) UPSs
>
> Thanks for letting me play

Mm. Thanks for your help.

Both

UPSs
and
UPSes

look weird to me.

Karen

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uninterruptable power supply

They come in many colors.
>
>
>
> Supply?
> Am I thinking of the wrong UPS?
> Are we talking <brown>?
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>
>>>> leonard@BC.EDU 06/24/03 01:45PM >>>
> I'm thinking  supply --->  supplies but UPSies just doesn't look right
> either :-)
>
> Rita L.


Karen

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> ah  I retract my previous entries then

Too LATE.

Karen

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SEE!!! I'm not the only one.
 
BrP
 
 


>>> dan@GAILNDAN.COM 06/24/03 03:17PM >>>
6/24/2003, 11:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> How do you pluralize UPS? UPSes?

KK> Karen

There's more than one United Parcel Service?

dan

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..and I need a really good curse, I'm going to Deuteronomy 28.  I will wish on the object of my anger some of the following:
 
...make the pestilence cleave unto thee
...smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, 
and with an inflamation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, 
and with blasting, and with mildew;  
And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 
...thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 
...smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed. 
...smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart
 
 So y'all better watch out
 
BrP

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Rita Chapman:
= Well, I dislike Min Pins.  We had one when I was a kid, and
= it was truly the most obnoxious dog I've ever met (and I've
= probably had over 100 different dogs in my house at various
= times).  That said (hey, you may love them :)):
=

My friend Marianne has a Min Pin, and he's about ten years old
now I think, and the few times I've seen him he's been cute, adorable,
well behaved and is the well loved family doggy.

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Dan Lester wrote:
>
> 6/24/2003, 10:12 AM, JoAnne Palmateer wrote:
>
> JP> My 13-year-old son has decided that Miniature Pinschers are the dogs for
> JP> him, which will be a new direction in dogs for me - I generally favour
> JP> the fuzzy-faced kind or those with kind eyes.  Has anyone on the list
> JP> had any experience with Minpins or have any advice to offer?  We are on
> JP> the horns of a dilemma at the moment - trying to decide between a
> JP> younger pup of the desired colour and cute
>
> I'm not a big fan of minpins, but....I'd go with your heart, or your
> son's heart.  You're obviously not going to breed or show, so who
> cares about the bloodlines?  You want a happy and healthy dog.  Sounds
> like the first one.
>
> (I used to breed and show Shih Tzu, and understand the preference for
> soemthing fuzzy)
>
> dan

Thanks Dan - my heart says that as well - my pocketbook and
practical/snobby side says to go for the better breeder.  The jury is
still evenly split on this issue.  %(

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02003-06-24 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> That said, the show seemed to take a
> similar view of these Wonder Engineers,
> as products of something we really can't
> understand.

That's OK ... it's counteracted by all the Indian studies students,
who understand everything perfectly.

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6/24/2003, 3:44 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

>>I'm opposed to slavery, but in favor of public executions.  I'd be
>>very happy if they brought back "all the rope in Texas" and a tall
>>tree, as the current song goes.

cwv> Or, one could adopt the more recent Texas method---dragging whoever you
cwv> don't like behind a pickup truck.

 I'd be very happy with public hangings for a bunch of folks on death
 row.  Emphasis on public.  I'm ok with firing squad too, for those
 who prefer, though at the moment only Utah offers that option.  Not
 sure anyone still offers hanging.


 For those who don't know the song, here are the lyrics (Toby Keith
 and Willie Nelson)


BEER FOR MY HORSES

Well a man come on the 6 o’clock news
Said somebody’s been shot, somebody’s been abused
Somebody blew up a building, somebody stole a car,
Somebody got away, somebody didn’t get too far,
Yeah they didn’t get too far.

Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked things he done
Take all the rope in Texas, find a tall oak tree,
Round up all of them bad boys, hang them high in the street,
For all the people to see that justice is the one thing
You should always find, you got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line

When the gun smoke settles we’ll sing a victory tune
We’ll all meet back at the local saloon
We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.

We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds,
we’ve got too much corruption, too much crime in the streets
It’s time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send ’em all to their maker and he’ll settle ’em down
You can bet he’ll set ’em down ’cause...

When the gun smoke settles we’ll sing a victory tune
We’ll all meet back at the local saloon
We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.



dan

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> clo writes,
>
>>Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma!
>
> Don't apologize for being you.

A good plan that covers all eventualities.

> Besides, you're only as newbie as you feel. :)

Nah, I think you're as newbie as others think you are.

Karen

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At 02:40 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
>
>I wonder how they feel about slavery and public executions by stoning?

I dunno, but maybe it's a good time to invest in a "stocks" company.

cwv

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Espen Ore:
= Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
=
= Espen

YaY!

That's great news.  And a great name.  Do those e's on the end
get pronounced in Norwegian?

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14:22 24.06.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>Espen Ore:
>= Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
>=
>= Espen
>
>YaY!
>
>That's great news.  And a great name.  Do those e's on the end
>get pronounced in Norwegian?


Yes, they do. All final vowels are pronounced in Norwegian but not always final consonants.

Espen

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Ah yes.  I remember the elaborate swiping- from- the- dining- room arrangements.  We also set up a fake student group (The Henry David Thoreau Memorial Anglers Association) and went on weekend <outings> a couple times a semester because Food Services would provide box lunches for free. btw - clo and I attended the same institution of higher learning though at different times.
 
BrP
 
  
 

>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/23/03 09:42PM >>>

Worst college meals:
I came back to college with $75 to buy books and meals for a
semester. Until my first paycheck came in, I lived on the following:
white bread, mayo, lettuce, and grated cheese "sub"stitutes - all
my roommate felt she could swipe from the dining room without
suspicion.

clo

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Excellent!  Congrats, pappou!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Congratulations, Espen! I'm sure you'll have pictures for us shortly thereafter.

Marie
   Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy  -- I LOVE that!


----- Original Message -----
From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:11 am
Subject: Another grandchild

> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and
> visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
>
> Espen
>

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6/23/2003, 4:09 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Mom's Sunday School teacher said it was the Devil causing these
>> problems because he saw me once reading a "Devil book"
>> (probably the Mahabharata).

KK> Do adults go to Sunday School?

   Of course.

dan

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6/23/2003, 4:11 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?

>>>

ED> Baptist ones do.

   So do many others, including Episcopalians.

dan

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> 6/23/2003, 4:11 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
>>>>
>
> ED> Baptist ones do.
>
>    So do many others, including Episcopalians.

I've never participated in anything that had SS at all, even for kids.

Karen

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Tushar:
>If there is any global-id problem it's
>with a small set of names, not large
>population or short names.

Yes, I can see where I hadn't really
thought it all through.  That, and
being intrigued by the one-name thing
when it's not some affectation.

Coincidentally..  So I'm killing time
'til dinner's ready, watching my racing
channel on TV, with the Fairgrounds NetBet
screen behind my email telnet thingy.

O.K., so t-bred horses can have names
up to 18 characters long (including
spaces), they must be unique, must not
be that of a person without consent,
must not be suggestive, cannot be a
name a race-caller might malaprop, etc.

So I'm thinking about estimating the
maximum number of horse names there
are.  (Without recycling -- names
like Ruffian and Secretariat are
retired forever.)

And then just like that, number
six in the second at Mountaineer,
named "Bonniemae", up and wins and
pays 22.80 for my trouble.

--
Richard

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Tushar:
> That's exactly the mistake--showing them as idiot savants.

Ah, a misunderstanding; entirely my fault.

I was talking about a previous episode
of the show, featuring an embalmed Mike
Wallace fawning over a parade of Rain Men.

That said, the show seemed to take a
similar view of these Wonder Engineers,
as products of something we really can't
understand.

>Engineering is the royal road.

Math is hard!

--
Richard

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The Quakers call it First Day School
 
:-)
 
 
 
Ok - we may have talked about this in 1991 but how many other wordslers had (or still have) Sunday School pins with the increasingly fancy bars for each additional year of perfect attendance?
 
BrP
 
 
 


>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/24/03 09:52AM >>>
> 6/23/2003, 4:11 PM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
>>>>
>
> ED> Baptist ones do.
>
>    So do many others, including Episcopalians.

I've never participated in anything that had SS at all, even for kids.

Karen

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Ok - we may have talked about this in 1991 but how many other wordslers
had (or still have) Sunday School pins with the increasingly fancy bars
for each additional year of perfect attendance?

BrP

That surely rings a bell.  I know I did have, but no longer do
have.  Not too long ago I finally threw away all the pins I
earned in typing class in school.

            - D. M.




>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/24/03 09:52AM >>>
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>
> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
>>>>
>
> ED> Baptist ones do.
>
>    So do many others, including Episcopalians.

I've never participated in anything that had SS at all, even for kids.

Karen

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> The Quakers call it First Day School
>
> :-)

Right. Not Sunday School.

I had to go to Catechism when we moved to Ohio, but that was on a weeknight.

Karen

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > 6/22/2003, 4:38 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >
>> > KK> Thank you. They gave me the number of the agency in Washington
>> to talk KK> to, and I shall use this. (What's odd is that the Monday
>> Night KK> Knitting ladies have brought their knitting on domestic
>> flights with KK> no problem. I don't get it.)
>> >
>> > A friend who knits says that knitting needles used to be forbidden
>> but that months or a year ago they changed that rule.
>>
>> As I said, that's what my knitting friends say, too. But if the
>> airline says different, and they are the ones who are doing the
>> confiscating, I don't want to risk it.
>>
>> Karen
>
> I've had the same dilemma, wanting to knit to pass the time but
> not wanting to chance losing the needles. I know it's on the list, but
> when you are there in line, it doesn't really get you anywhere to be
> right when the guy with the uniform decides what you can
> and can't do.

I prinited out the list from their web site, and I have a phone number
that I will insist they call if they don't believe the list (which they
should have). I'm prepared to be really hardnosed about this.

Karen

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I hadn't told Johanne about the ketchup discussion here.  Last night after
a visit to the supermarket she said she'd seen green chocolate syrup --
turns out it's a promo by Hershey's for the Hulk movie:
<http://www.hersheys.com/thehulk/>.

Pete

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At 02:58 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > I have the same set at work.  I will be sure not to bring them on a
> > plane. I'm still irritated over losing an allen wrench when I flew to
> > Spain last spring. Damn security guy didn't even know what it was.
>
>You can check tools, but you can't bring them as carryon.
>
>Karen

That's what I was told.

Too bad I didn't know the wrench was in my knapsack or else I would have
taken it out. As a matter of fact it was tucked into a compartment I never
use and it took security a while to find whatever it was that was showing
up on the screen. By this time my luggage had already been checked and our
driver was gone. Gone too was my allen wrench.

lisa

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> Too bad I didn't know the wrench was in my knapsack or else I would have
> taken it out. As a matter of fact it was tucked into a compartment I
> never use and it took security a while to find whatever it was that was
> showing up on the screen. By this time my luggage had already been
> checked and our driver was gone. Gone too was my allen wrench.

I have extras if you want one.

Karen

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I got my MoveOn ballot, filled it out and when I hit the "vote" button I got a "busy server" message.  I hope it was duly recorded.
 
BrP
 
 

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> I got my MoveOn ballot, filled it out and when I hit the "vote" button I
> got a "busy server" message.  I hope it was duly recorded.

Who'd you vote for?

Karen

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Paul Barfoot writes,

>I got my MoveOn ballot, filled it out and when I hit the "vote" button I
>got a "busy server" message.  I hope it was duly recorded.

I'd try again later, just to be sure.

I wanted to vote, but procrastinated registering 'til 12:30am last night,
and registration closed at midnight. :(

Pete

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> Ah, well then. I should have known.

Yes, I managed to confuse even myself.

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>> Ah, well then. I should have known.
>
> Yes, I managed to confuse even myself.

You say that like it's a difficult thing!

Karen

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Well, I dislike Min Pins.  We had one when I was a kid, and
it was truly the most obnoxious dog I've ever met (and I've
probably had over 100 different dogs in my house at various
times).  That said (hey, you may love them :)):

I'd avoid the marginal breeder.  I show on a shoe-string
budget, and my house is *not* a kennel. My dogs are house
dogs, though. How quickly do you think you're going to potty
train that pup who is used to pissing all over the house?
My family's minpin took nearly a year, and I'd known that
puppy since the day it was born and I knew it had been
outside, etc.

A whole bunch of champions in the pedigree is not a
guarantee against health problems or conformation problems.
  Nobody has yet created the perfect bloodline. What it
should tell you is what sort of genetic testing has been
done (to eliminate the most common disorders in a breed) and
the breeder should be able to tell you what sorts of
problems do run in the bloodlines.  For example, if somebody
wanted to use my dog as a stud, I'd be very open about
irritable bowels, bone cancer, and hypothyroidism running in
his family, but that the cancer and hypothyroidism appeared
to be linked to spaying/neutering.  This might be the sort
of question you want to ask.  Not that a history of certain
illnesses guarantees anything, but to judge the ethics of
your breeder.  This is the person you will go to for advice
about your pup.  Can you trust him/her?  FWIW, a slighly off
tail and ball problems are very, very minor issues.  I'll
bet he's finishable, just not specials material and just not
good enough to improve on what she's already got.

Not having all shots at 12 weeks is not a minus.  New
protocols are coming out from the vet schools that indicate
you're better off waiting a little longer to start the shots.

Finally, if neither puppy really says "YES!" to you, then
keep looking.  It isn't as if these are the only two minpin
puppies in the world.



JoAnne Palmateer wrote:

> My 13-year-old son has decided that Miniature Pinschers are the dogs for
> him, which will be a new direction in dogs for me - I generally favour
> the fuzzy-faced kind or those with kind eyes.  Has anyone on the list
> had any experience with Minpins or have any advice to offer?  We are on
> the horns of a dilemma at the moment - trying to decide between a
> younger pup of the desired colour and cute
> prancing/jump-into-your-lap-and-lick-your-ears-off antics, but from a
> marginal breeder, versus a two-month older pup, with impeccable
> bloodlines from a well-established breeder, but who is not the "right"
> colour and who did not greet my son with the same enthusiasm or charm
> (although the breeder says he has lots of each).
>
> Female:
> Pros -
> 12 weeks old
> chocolate colour
> cute and likes to dance
> settled into my son's lap and chewed on his fingers
> ears not cropped (a plus for me)
> we would be "rescuing" her from life in a crate
>
> Cons -
> raised in a house used as a kennel
> breeder does show her dogs, but looks like she does so on a shoe-string
> budget
> no shots (or only the first shot) (a complete set is $177 CDN)
> spaying is more expensive than neutering
> ears not cropped (a minus for my son)
> chocolate-coloured animals are reputed to be more prone to hyperactivity
>
> Male:
> Pros -
> bought for big bucks by a reputable breeder to bolster her stock
> ears cropped
> all shots
> cheaper to neuter than to spay
> a solid, good-looking red dog
> calm, not yappy
>
> Cons -
> seven months old
> ears cropped
> seemed somewhat aloof
> didn't display any "puppy antics"
> present owner decided that he wasn't show quality because of a slightly
> poorly set tail and a travelling testicle (in and out)
>
> On paper the choice seems obvious - but it is hard to discount the power
> of puppy kisses and the notion you will be rescuing it from an uncertain
> future.  In addition, even with the male's regal breeding (all but one
> ancestor is a Champion) health/conformation problems did occur - so
> there is no guarantee that there will/won't be other genetic problems
> for that dog in the future, nor is it certain whether there will/won't
> be future health/temperment problems with the female puppy.
>
> Any suggestions and/or advice?  Both dogs are similarly priced.  The pup
> will have to find its rung on the hierarchy ladder in a home with three
> male ragdoll cats, a large husky/lab 5-year-old spayed female, two
> budgies, a hamster and a chinchilla.
>
> JoAnne
>
>


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-rashmi:
> > Nah, I'm no exam boy!

>My Dead White European Male POV
>kept saying "Japanese cram school".
>Wrong?  Right?

Getting into the schools is a combination of smarts and
cram. The schools themselves are fine. I like Tushar's
description - "learning is repected and humbly pursued".
I don't see that DWEM POV has to do with anything
here.

Engineering in India is kinda like studying liberal arts here.
There're all kinds of engineering schools, the good ones
are very good, you get a broad education that prepares
you for anything you might want to do. I know journalists,
playwrights, musicians etc who all went to engg school.

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> Engineering in India is kinda like studying liberal arts here.

Which is how it should be here. This always bugs me.

Karen

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human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:

>The "cram school" thing came from the (to me)
>feverish demonstrations of how well-rounded
>it all is, the cricket games, camaraderie, etc.

Yeah, it's "charming" when humanities and liberal arts types
profess complete ignorance of math and science but when
science and engineering types show an interest in literature
or art they come across as idiot savants.

BT,
-rashmi

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>>>Graeme Greene.

The Wind in the Willows author is a Graeme somebody.

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>>>>Graeme Greene.
>
> The Wind in the Willows author is a Graeme somebody.

According to Amazon, "The Wind in the Willows"
by Kenneth Grahame (Author), Ernest Shepard (Illustrator).

Thank you for playing.

Karen

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It's a secret ballot.
-but let's just say Natalie will be proud of me

 
 
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>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/24/03 12:14PM >>>
> I got my MoveOn ballot, filled it out and when I hit the "vote" button I
> got a "busy server" message.  I hope it was duly recorded.

Who'd you vote for?

Karen

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At 10:34 AM 6/24/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>I am sorry. But does this work?
>
>http://www.epi.no/tschudi/vt/
>
>Espen

Yes, thanks!  Great building.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Well, I dislike Min Pins.  We had one when I was a kid, and
> it was truly the most obnoxious dog I've ever met (and I've
> probably had over 100 different dogs in my house at various
> times).  That said (hey, you may love them :)):

I hope so - it will be a long 10 - 15 years otherwise.


> Finally, if neither puppy really says "YES!" to you, then
> keep looking.  It isn't as if these are the only two minpin
> puppies in the world.

There seems to be a dearth of them around here at the moment - and the
timing is perfect for a pup - tomorrow is the last day of school.  We've
already decided against the only other one in our vicinity - a black and
tan female in a pet store.  I believe in your advice wholeheartedly
however.  Not being "spoken to" is part of my problem - but this pup is
to be my son's so I am trying to "get over" my aversion to docked ears
and tails and let him do the picking (although it is hard to stay out of
the decision-making).

Thanks.

JoAnne

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>>>>Graeme Greene.
> >
> > The Wind in the Willows author is a Graeme somebody.

>According to Amazon, "The Wind in the Willows"
>by Kenneth Grahame (Author), Ernest Shepard (Illustrator).

>Thank you for playing.

Thank you for looking it up!

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How do you pluralize UPS? UPSes?

Karen

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1) Why would you need to?  There's only one.
2) UPsS
3) UPSs
 
Thanks for letting me play
 
BrP
 
 

>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/24/03 01:34PM >>>
How do you pluralize UPS? UPSes?

Karen

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> I'm thinking  supply --->  supplies but UPSies just doesn't look right
> either :-)
>
> Rita L.
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>1) Why would you need to?  There's only one.
>>>2) UPsS
>>>3) UPSs
>>>
>>>Thanks for letting me play
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Mm. Thanks for your help.
>>
>>Both
>>
>>UPSs
>>and
>>UPSes
>>
>>look weird to me.
>>
>>Karen
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Rita Leonard
> Information Technology Systems Services
> O'Neill Library 544
> Phone:  617-552-3403
> Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu
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I'm thinking  supply --->  supplies but UPSies just doesn't look right
either :-)

Rita L.

Karen Kay wrote:

>>1) Why would you need to?  There's only one.
>>2) UPsS
>>3) UPSs
>>
>>Thanks for letting me play
>>
>>
>
>Mm. Thanks for your help.
>
>Both
>
>UPSs
>and
>UPSes
>
>look weird to me.
>
>Karen
>
>

--

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 or not, you are right."  Henry Ford

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Supply?
Am I thinking of the wrong UPS?
Are we talking <brown>?
 
BrP
 
 


>>> leonard@BC.EDU 06/24/03 01:45PM >>>
I'm thinking  supply --->  supplies but UPSies just doesn't look right
either :-)

Rita L.

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ah  I retract my previous entries then
 
BrP
 


>>> karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/24/03 01:51PM >>>
uninterruptable power supply

They come in many colors.
>
>
>
> Supply?
> Am I thinking of the wrong UPS?
> Are we talking <brown>?
>
> BrP
>
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>
>
>>>> leonard@BC.EDU 06/24/03 01:45PM >>>
> I'm thinking  supply --->  supplies but UPSies just doesn't look right
> either :-)
>
> Rita L.


Karen

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In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:11:17 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

>Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit
>her and her mother at the end of next week.
>
Congrats Grandpapa! Hope the mother had an easy delivery. Theo

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>Church extends gay ban but polygamy OK
>
>THE Sydney Anglican diocese yesterday widened its list of banned clergy to
>include celibate homosexuals and those who had pre-marital sex and failed
>to repent, but would still accept polygamists.
>
>The diocese justified the apparent contradiction by arguing the Bible's
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<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6649867%255E2702,00.html>

or

<http://tinyurl.com/f5bu>

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> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit
her and her mother at the end of next week.
>
> Espen

Congratulations, Grandpa.
Lovely name . . just saying it is an experience.

              - D. M.

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On 24 Jun 2003 at 12:41, Karen Kay wrote:

> look weird to me.

Then write around it.

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> On 24 Jun 2003 at 12:41, Karen Kay wrote:
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>> look weird to me.
>
> Then write around it.

Can't. That's why I'm ATL'ing. But INMF!

Karen

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You rule.

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In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:16:55 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

>I am sorry. But does this work?
>
>http://www.epi.no/tschudi/vt/
>
Yes, thanks. Looks great! Theo

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I wonder how they feel about slavery and public executions by stoning?
 
BrP
 
 
 
>>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 06/24/03 02:10PM >>>
>Church extends gay ban but polygamy OK
>
>THE Sydney Anglican diocese yesterday widened its list of banned clergy to
>include celibate homosexuals and those who had pre-marital sex and failed
>to repent, but would still accept polygamists.
>
>The diocese justified the apparent contradiction by arguing the Bible's
>outright condemnation of homosexuality compared with its oblique
>disapproval of a man taking several wives.

<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6649867%255E2702,00.html>

or

<http://tinyurl.com/f5bu>

Pete

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>-----Original Message-----
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Then pull a Natalie.


alec

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----- Original Message -----
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Steph, did you see my posting last week about the deer fly trap?

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6/24/2003, 10:12 AM, JoAnne Palmateer wrote:

JP> My 13-year-old son has decided that Miniature Pinschers are the dogs for
JP> him, which will be a new direction in dogs for me - I generally favour
JP> the fuzzy-faced kind or those with kind eyes.  Has anyone on the list
JP> had any experience with Minpins or have any advice to offer?  We are on
JP> the horns of a dilemma at the moment - trying to decide between a
JP> younger pup of the desired colour and cute

I'm not a big fan of minpins, but....I'd go with your heart, or your
son's heart.  You're obviously not going to breed or show, so who
cares about the bloodlines?  You want a happy and healthy dog.  Sounds
like the first one.

(I used to breed and show Shih Tzu, and understand the preference for
soemthing fuzzy)

dan

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6/24/2003, 11:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> How do you pluralize UPS? UPSes?

KK> Karen

There's more than one United Parcel Service?

dan

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they sent around an e-mail today at work listing, under various
categories, gay people of distinction.  My favorite justaposition was under the
category "Politicians":  Harvy Milk
                         Alexander the Great
                         Michael Huffington

Ann

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LOL
 
aren't categories fun?
 
BrP
 
 


>>> aborkin@RAHUL.NET 06/24/03 03:12PM >>>
they sent around an e-mail today at work listing, under various
categories, gay people of distinction.  My favorite justaposition was under the
category "Politicians":  Harvy Milk
                         Alexander the Great
                         Michael Huffington

Ann

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6/24/2003, 12:10 PM, Peter Kaminski wrote:

>>The diocese justified the apparent contradiction by arguing the Bible's
>>outright condemnation of homosexuality compared with its oblique
>>disapproval of a man taking several wives.

And in much of the O.T. several wives are expected.  But, yes, the
N.T. did change that a bit.

dan

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6/24/2003, 12:40 PM, Paul Barfoot wrote:

PB> I wonder how they feel about slavery and public executions by stoning?

I'm opposed to slavery, but in favor of public executions.  I'd be
very happy if they brought back "all the rope in Texas" and a tall
tree, as the current song goes.

dan

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> SEE!!! I'm not the only one.
>
> BrP

But you are My Only Polenta.:)

>>>> dan@GAILNDAN.COM 06/24/03 03:17PM >>>
> 6/24/2003, 11:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> How do you pluralize UPS? UPSes?
>
> KK> Karen
>
> There's more than one United Parcel Service?
>
> dan


Karen

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6/24/2003, 1:19 PM, Paul Barfoot wrote:

PB> SEE!!! I'm not the only one.

Of course you're not, Brother Paul.

PB> BrP




dan

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> they sent around an e-mail today at work listing, under various
> categories, gay people of distinction.  My favorite justaposition was under the
                                                        ^  juxtaposition
> category "Politicians":  Harvy Milk
                               ^ Harvey
>                          Alexander the Great
>                          Michael Huffington


Also, under "Artists," Robert Mapplethorpe & Leonardo Da Vinci

Ann

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steph wrote:
>
> My friend Marianne has a Min Pin, and he's about ten years old
> now I think, and the few times I've seen him he's been cute, adorable,
> well behaved and is the well loved family doggy.

Thanks Steph, I really hope that ours will develop into just such a
doggy.  Consistent obedience training is one of the conditions that my
son accepted in his pursuit of the dream to have a dog of his own.

JoAnne

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>From edible.com
 
 
1) CIVET COFFEE  This is the rarest and most definitely extraordinary coffee in the world! This coffee has been selected for us by paradoxurus hermaphroditis. Better known as the Common Palm Civet Cat. It prowls the Sumatran coffee plantations at night, choosing to eat only the finest, ripest cherries. The stones (which eventually form coffee beans) are then collectes by cleaning through the droppings.
 
Kopi Luwak as it is known, is considered to be the finest coffee by native Sumatrans. Kopi Luwak has a rich chocolate like flavour and no aftertaste, which is unique. This flavour is due to the fact the coffee has been partially fermented by passing through the digestive system of the Kopi. Only about 50 kilos of this coffee is collected per year making it the ultimate in uniqueness and rarity!
 
 
2) MONKEY TEA  No it's not another wind up, this variety of tea is picked not by plantation workers, but by specially trained monkey?s, yes, really! 
 
Monkey picked tea leaves are famous in their native China, and get their name from the fact that trained monkeys have to pick them ? the name does not refer to a particular type of tea, but monkey picked tea comes from the leaves of wild tea plants that grow in inaccessible places, such as on high cliff faces, so to harvest them people train special monkeys. The 
 
monkeys are very well cared for and their parents before them did the same job, so it has become ingrained into them and they wouldn?t be happy doing anything else. The tea is very highly fragrant and is lower in tannins and caffeine than other teas, and rich in antioxidants, the tea has a pale golden colour when brwed and is best served without milk, to taste its full delicate flavour.
 
 
BrP
 
 

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=
= Steph, did you see my posting last week about the deer fly trap?

no.  what did I miss?

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Oh man, anything but the mildew.

Paul Barfoot:
= ..and I need a really good curse, I'm going to Deuteronomy 28.  I will wish on the object of my anger some of the following:
=
= ...make the pestilence cleave unto thee
= ...smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever,
= and with an inflamation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword,
= and with blasting, and with mildew;
= And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
= ...thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
= ...smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed.
= ...smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart
=
=  So y'all better watch out
=
= BrP

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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Espen Ore
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>Subject: Another grandchild
>
>
>Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go
>and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
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>Espen
>

Congrats to you and your daughter.


alec

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> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go
> and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
>
> Espen


Congratulations to the Ore family!

Terry

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--- Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:


> ...smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the
> emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch,
> whereof thou canst be healed.
> ...smite thee with madness, and blindness, and
> astonishment of heart
>
>  So y'all better watch out
>
> BrP

But the worst of these, without comparison, is
indubitably - mildew.




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In a message dated 6/24/2003 2:32:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
..and I need a really good curse, I'm going to Deuteronomy 28.
>>

wish those on the thieves; they already tried to buy a cricket phone.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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... and they are beautiful.  Very, very good job, Mem.  I wouldn't change a
thing.  Great color, great placement of design.  Attractive design, quality
and comfortable shirt.

T-shirt prices have been determined to be $15 for sizes child through
large.  $17 for XL.  $18.50 for XXL.  $20 for XXXL.

Shirts for fest partcipants can be picked up and paid for at the
fest.  Cash or checks made out to Michael E. Macmillan will be
accepted.  Sharon, I understand that Betty will pick up your shirt for you
at the fest.  Kristen your shirt will come directly from mem according to
the deal that the two of you have worked out.

I will mail shirts to Marie, Bookrat, Alec, Steph, Evelyn, and Espen.  I
will need addresses for Bookrat, Steph, Evelyn, and Espen.  Once I find out
mailing charges, I will email you each with the exact amount due.

There are four extra shirts in case anyone is interested.  We have one
adult medium, two adult large, and one adult extra large.


bonnie

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In a message dated 6/24/2003 4:44:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
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I will mail shirts to Marie, Bookrat, Alec, Steph, Evelyn, and Espen.  I
will need addresses for Bookrat, Steph, Evelyn, and Espen.  Once I find out
mailing charges, I will email you each with the exact amount due.

>>

Evelyn Duncan
5821 E. 71st Pl.  Apt. 511
Tulsa, OK  74136

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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At 01:20 PM 6/24/2003 -0600, Dan Lester wrote:
>6/24/2003, 12:40 PM, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>
>PB> I wonder how they feel about slavery and public executions by stoning?
>
>I'm opposed to slavery, but in favor of public executions.  I'd be
>very happy if they brought back "all the rope in Texas" and a tall
>tree, as the current song goes.

Or, one could adopt the more recent Texas method---dragging whoever you
don't like behind a pickup truck.

cwv

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02003-06-24 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Karen:
> >>>Graeme Greene.
> >> Graham Greene.
> >
> > Right.  Him.  Maybe I was thinking
> > of the guy in the Goodies.
> >
> > I guess I've never had to write
> > his name before.
>
> The actor has the same spelling.

He is talking about Graeme Garden. Jeeze!

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Dan Lester wrote:

>
> cwv> Or, one could adopt the more recent Texas method---dragging whoever you
> cwv> don't like behind a pickup truck.

    That was a murder, not an execution.

>  I'd be very happy with public hangings for a bunch of folks on death
>  row.  Emphasis on public.  I'm ok with firing squad too, for those
>  who prefer, though at the moment only Utah offers that option.  Not
>  sure anyone still offers hanging.

> Firing squads are still legal in Idaho and Utah, and
>
> are used as an alternative to lethal injection.
>
    Yea, stretchin' hemp's banned about everywhere.

JMW

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At 11:11 AM 6/24/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her
>and her mother at the end of next week.

Congratulations all around!

B

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At 03:39 PM 6/24/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> > cwv> Or, one could adopt the more recent Texas method---dragging
> whoever you
> > cwv> don't like behind a pickup truck.
>
>     That was a murder, not an execution.

And some would say that that is a distinction without a difference.

cwv

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So how do we know that Alexander
and Davinci were gay?

Or heterosexual?

Or catamites, or sheep-fuckers?

And why do we care?

--
Richard, famous people guy

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On 24 Jun 2003 at 17:43, Bonniemaev wrote:

>  Kristen your shirt will come directly from mem according to
> the deal that the two of you have worked out.

And it's already in the mail.

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02003-06-24 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >>> scribble@POBOX.COM 06/23/03 06:41PM >>>
> 02003-06-23 | Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> writes:
> >> It reminds me of the kind of thing one of my cow orkers would do (yes
> >> *sigh* even in libraries).  A couple years ago she served on a committee
> >> as minutes taker and she asked me to look over her first attempt at
> >> writing them up.  She had concluded her document with "Respectively
> >> summitted"  She didn't understand when I asked if she had taken up
> >> mountain climbing.
>
> >Good for her ... there's no better response to smartass comments
> >than incomprehension ...
>
>  I don't know what you mean

HUH?

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> Or, one could adopt the more recent Texas method---dragging whoever you
> don't like behind a pickup truck.

Oh, those crazy southernors.

What will they think of next?

--
Richard

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Yes, a beatiful name. Congratulations!

--Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: English Language Discussion Group
> [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf Of Paul Barfoot
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:47 AM
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>
>
> What a beautiful name.  Congratulations to all.
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>
> >>> Espen.Ore@NB.NO 06/24/03 05:11AM >>>
> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and
> visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
>
> Espen

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> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
> >>>
>
> ED> Baptist ones do.
>
>    So do many others, including Episcopalians.
>
> dan

Really? In my Episcopalian church, Sunday school was for kids only. YMMV, I
guess.

--Adam

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:15:58 -0500
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On Monday, June 23, 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
> Are you planning on taking a trip?

Yep--I leave for the Quad Cities on Friday, to visit my older sister,
Nancy. No visit to Chicago, this time, though. She's talking about a
trip to the Boundary Waters; we'll see.

Karen

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On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 6/24/2003 2:32:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU writes:
> <<
> ..and I need a really good curse, I'm going to Deuteronomy 28.
>>>

> wish those on the thieves; they already tried to buy a cricket phone.

What? What is a cricket phone?

Karen

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?

Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education classes - for all
ages.

Bethany, back briefly

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--- Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> wrote:
> 6/24/2003, 3:44 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
>  I'd be very happy with public hangings for a bunch
> of folks on death
>  row.  Emphasis on public.  I'm ok with firing squad
> too, for those
>  who prefer, though at the moment only Utah offers
> that option.  Not
>  sure anyone still offers hanging.

No hangings of any sort, public or by invitation.  The
only death penalties remaining are lethal injection,
gas chamber (very few) and electric chair;  Utah is
the only state with the "option" of firing squad.

UK probably set an unfortunate precedent by abolishing
public executions.
>
>
>  For those who don't know the song, here are the
> lyrics (Toby Keith
>  and Willie Nelson)
>
>
> BEER FOR MY HORSES
>
> Well a man come on the 6 o’clock news
> Said somebody’s been shot, somebody’s been abused
> Somebody blew up a building, somebody stole a car,
> Somebody got away, somebody didn’t get too far,
> Yeah they didn’t get too far.
>
> Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
> A man had to answer for the wicked things he done
> Take all the rope in Texas, find a tall oak tree,
> Round up all of them bad boys, hang them high in the
> street,
> For all the people to see that justice is the one
> thing
> You should always find, you got to saddle up your
> boys
> You got to draw a hard line
>
> When the gun smoke settles we’ll sing a victory tune
> We’ll all meet back at the local saloon
> We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces
> Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.
>
> We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds,
> we’ve got too much corruption, too much crime in the
> streets
> It’s time the long arm of the law put a few more in
> the ground
> Send ’em all to their maker and he’ll settle ’em
> down
> You can bet he’ll set ’em down ’cause...
>
> When the gun smoke settles we’ll sing a victory tune
> We’ll all meet back at the local saloon
> We’ll raise up our glasses against evil forces
> Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses.
>
>
>
> dan


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On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?

> Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education classes - for all
> ages.

But isn't that different from Sunday School?

Karen

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I am between trips. I stayed at the Abbey of Gethsemani through the
weekend, though I was scheduled to be there only Monday-Fri last week.

On July 7, I fly to Sydney. I'll be here only briefly - there is too much
to do to spend much time on email.

Bethany

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> >> ED> Do adults go to Sunday School?
>
> Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education
> classes - for all
> ages.
>
> Bethany, back briefly

I hardly know of a denomination in the South that
doesn't have SS, unless it's RCC.


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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education classes - for all
>> ages.
>
>But isn't that different from Sunday School?

II never went to Sunday School, so I don't really know. But it meets at
the same time, between services.

Bethany

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Espen Ore wrote:

> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go
> and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.
>
> Espen

congratulations!
And what a wonderful name.
clo

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In a message dated 6/24/2003 8:23:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<<
What? What is a cricket phone?

>>

Cricket is a cell phone.

I think it's ironic:  I had to cancel my cell phone, and they're trying to
get
one using my credit card.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

>
>
> Ah yes.  I remember the elaborate swiping- from- the- dining-
> room arrangements.  We also set up a fake student group
> (The Henry David Thoreau Memorial Anglers Association) and
> went on weekend <outings> a couple times a semester because
> Food Services would provide box lunches for free. btw - c
> lo and I attended the same institution of higher learning
> though at different times.
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>
> >>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/23/03 09:42PM >>>
>
> Worst college meals:
> I came back to college with $75 to buy books and meals for a
> semester. Until my first paycheck came in, I lived on the following:
> white bread, mayo, lettuce, and grated cheese "sub"stitutes - all
> my roommate felt she could swipe from the dining room without
> suspicion.
>
> clo

Now I get to feel all clean and superior - it was my roommate
who swiped, not I (I was Off Board as punishment for deciding
at the last minute to return from LOA). The only thing I ever
<swiped> was a tray for sliding down the hill at the end of the
quad in the rain.

clo

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> The Quakers call it First Day School
>
> Ok - we may have talked about this in 1991 but how many
> other wordslers had (or still have) Sunday School pins with
> the increasingly fancy bars for each additional year of perfect
> attendance?
>
> BrP

Had. Compulsory attendance for those living next door to the
church, even the day I was so sick I through up in the communion
cups.

clo

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Welcome Back!
I hope the longer stay was because it was so worthwhile.
I am also leaving on a pilgramage, of sorts.
clo

"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I am between trips. I stayed at the Abbey of Gethsemani through the
> weekend, though I was scheduled to be there only Monday-Fri last week.
>
> On July 7, I fly to Sydney. I'll be here only briefly - there is too much
> to do to spend much time on email.
>
> Bethany

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FWIW, my first thought was exactly the same as yours and Dan's.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: Plural?

> SEE!!! I'm not the only one.
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>
> >>> dan@GAILNDAN.COM 06/24/03 03:17PM >>>
> 6/24/2003, 11:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> KK> How do you pluralize UPS? UPSes?
>
> KK> Karen
>
> There's more than one United Parcel Service?
>
> dan
>

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At 10:04 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Had. Compulsory attendance for those living next door to the
>church, even the day I was so sick I through up in the communion
>cups.

You did what?

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Betty wrote:

> At 10:04 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:
>
> >Had. Compulsory attendance for those living next door to the
> >church, even the day I was so sick I through up in the communion
> >cups.
>
> You did what?

Apparently it's still traumatic.
I ralphed in the communion cups. Thanks for catching it.
clo

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> clo writes,
>
> >Here's a wordsler newbie dilemma!
>
> Don't apologize for being you.
>
> Besides, you're only as newbie as you feel. :)
>
> Pete
>
It seems everyone was faked out by my sneaky non-apology.
PS, I have never apologized for being me. Well except to
the stbex.

clo

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With my new Titanium, I got a cordless mouse. I love it, and I have just
got it working on my <other> Titanium. I am going to get rid of all non-G4
computers (except the Dell - I have to use a Windows application
occasionally).

Bethany

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Firstly, thanks to Rita for the viszla t-shirt!

I got an email from the breeder yesterday. We still don't know if Nellie is pregnant but she thinks she detects some changes in her behavior -- and her nipples.

So, we're hoping so.

Also, while we're at it, my sister Beth and her husband had a <procedure> the other day. So we're hoping for changes in her nipples soon too.

Marie

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

>Welcome Back!
>I hope the longer stay was because it was so worthwhile.
>I am also leaving on a pilgramage, of sorts.

It was! Thanks. What <sort> of pilgrimage are you going on?

Bethany

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At 10:56 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:

>Also, while we're at it, my sister Beth and her husband had a <procedure>
>the other day. So we're hoping for changes in her nipples soon too.

And yours!  When do you leave on your trip?

Betty

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We have set the date for my mother's memorial service. It will be Saturday,
July 26, at 11 a.m. at the Reformed Church of Germantown, 20 Church Avenue,
Germantown, NY. Following the service, there will be an open house at her
former home,  641 County Route 8. We'll have a buffet lunch and then drink
a toast to her memory. Everyone's invited! If you can't make it in person,
but want to be represented, feel free to write a tribute and email it to me
at this address. We'll read them at the open house. Also, if  you plan to
attend and would also be interested in participating in the memorial
service, please let me know.

Here are directions to the church:

(1) GERMANTOWN is located in the Hudson River Valley, on the EAST SIDE of
the Hudson River. We are about 14 MILES north of RHINEBECK and about 10
MILES south of HUDSON, on STATE ROUTE 9-G.
(2) When you reach Germantown, TURN EAST at the TRAFFIC LIGHT (by Stewart's
convenience store) onto COUNTY ROUTE 8 (Main Street). Go about 6/10 of a
MILE until you reach the intersection of Main Street and COUNTY ROUTE 33
(Church Avenue). TURN RIGHT(south) onto CHURCH AVENUE, go 250 FEET, and you
will see the twin steeples of the church on your left.

To find the house, go east from Germantown on County Route 8 till you come
to a T. The house--a big blue Victorian--will be immediately to your right.

P.S. Please let me know if you plan to attend so we can have an idea of how
many people to expect. Thanks!

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17:43 24.06.2003 -0400 skrev Bonniemaev:
>... and they are beautiful.  Very, very good job, Mem.  I wouldn't change a
>thing.  Great color, great placement of design.  Attractive design, quality
>and comfortable shirt.
>
>T-shirt prices have been determined to be $15 for sizes child through
>large.  $17 for XL.  $18.50 for XXL.  $20 for XXXL.
>
>Shirts for fest partcipants can be picked up and paid for at the
>fest.  Cash or checks made out to Michael E. Macmillan will be
>accepted.  Sharon, I understand that Betty will pick up your shirt for you
>at the fest.  Kristen your shirt will come directly from mem according to
>the deal that the two of you have worked out.
>
>I will mail shirts to Marie, Bookrat, Alec, Steph, Evelyn, and Espen.  I
>will need addresses for Bookrat, Steph, Evelyn, and Espen.  Once I find out
>mailing charges, I will email you each with the exact amount due.

Great!

My work address is best - then I don't have to go to the post office to collect it. Please don't mark it as having a value above $25 - if it has I have to pay a customs duty.

Espen S. Ore
IT-Nasjonalbiblioteket
Pb. 2674 Solli
NO-0203 Oslo
Norway

Espen

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How unwordsler of you to actually have a life.
 
Happy travels
 
 
BrP
 
 


>>> dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU 06/24/03 09:21PM >>>
I am between trips. I stayed at the Abbey of Gethsemani through the
weekend, though I was scheduled to be there only Monday-Fri last week.

On July 7, I fly to Sydney. I'll be here only briefly - there is too much
to do to spend much time on email.

Bethany

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Jeff,

I will plan to come up for the memorial service. I won't be able to stay for (much of) the lunch -- it might be nice to come by the house and raise a glass. I have some friends coming in from out of town that morning, so I will have to be fairly brief.

Thanks for the invite.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Rankin <jrankin@MAPLECITY.COM>
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:00 am
Subject: Alyce Cresap memorial service

> We have set the date for my mother's memorial service. It will be
> Saturday,July 26, at 11 a.m. at the Reformed Church of Germantown,
> 20 Church Avenue,
> Germantown, NY. Following the service, there will be an open house
> at her
> former home,  641 County Route 8. We'll have a buffet lunch and
> then drink
> a toast to her memory. Everyone's invited! If you can't make it in
> person,but want to be represented, feel free to write a tribute
> and email it to me
> at this address. We'll read them at the open house. Also, if  you
> plan to
> attend and would also be interested in participating in the memorial
> service, please let me know.
>
> Here are directions to the church:
>
> (1) GERMANTOWN is located in the Hudson River Valley, on the EAST
> SIDE of
> the Hudson River. We are about 14 MILES north of RHINEBECK and
> about 10
> MILES south of HUDSON, on STATE ROUTE 9-G.
> (2) When you reach Germantown, TURN EAST at the TRAFFIC LIGHT (by
> Stewart'sconvenience store) onto COUNTY ROUTE 8 (Main Street). Go
> about 6/10 of a
> MILE until you reach the intersection of Main Street and COUNTY
> ROUTE 33
> (Church Avenue). TURN RIGHT(south) onto CHURCH AVENUE, go 250
> FEET, and you
> will see the twin steeples of the church on your left.
>
> To find the house, go east from Germantown on County Route 8 till
> you come
> to a T. The house--a big blue Victorian--will be immediately to
> your right.
>
> P.S. Please let me know if you plan to attend so we can have an
> idea of how
> many people to expect. Thanks!
>

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----- Original Message -----
From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> At 10:56 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >Also, while we're at it, my sister Beth and her husband had a
> <procedure>>the other day. So we're hoping for changes in her
> nipples soon too.
>
> And yours!  When do you leave on your trip?

Oh yes, and my nipples too!

I'll be flying out of Philly on Friday afternoon, on the overnight to Madrid. We'll also be going to Seville, Torremolinos, Granada (where we'll be while you are all festing on the Fourth), Valencia, and Barcelona. And somewhere in there is an excursion to Morocco or Gibraltar. Some of the kids' parents didn't want them to go to Morocco, so Gibraltar is the option for them, and I'll probably join them that way, flexible as I am.

I am going to be exhausted when we return on 7/7, I am sure.

Marie

Marie

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That was an e-oops, but no biggie. Is anyone else going to plan on attending?

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie Ascher <14lodge@optonline.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:03 am
Subject: Re: Alyce Cresap memorial service

> Jeff,
>
> I will plan to come up for the memorial service. I won't be able
> to stay for (much of) the lunch -- it might be nice to come by the
> house and raise a glass. I have some friends coming in from out of
> town that morning, so I will have to be fairly brief.
>
> Thanks for the invite.
>
> Marie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Rankin <jrankin@MAPLECITY.COM>
> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:00 am
> Subject: Alyce Cresap memorial service
>
> > We have set the date for my mother's memorial service. It will be
> > Saturday,July 26, at 11 a.m. at the Reformed Church of Germantown,
> > 20 Church Avenue,
> > Germantown, NY. Following the service, there will be an open house
> > at her
> > former home,  641 County Route 8. We'll have a buffet lunch and
> > then drink
> > a toast to her memory. Everyone's invited! If you can't make it in
> > person,but want to be represented, feel free to write a tribute
> > and email it to me
> > at this address. We'll read them at the open house. Also, if  you
> > plan to
> > attend and would also be interested in participating in the memorial
> > service, please let me know.
> >
> > Here are directions to the church:
> >
> > (1) GERMANTOWN is located in the Hudson River Valley, on the EAST
> > SIDE of
> > the Hudson River. We are about 14 MILES north of RHINEBECK and
> > about 10
> > MILES south of HUDSON, on STATE ROUTE 9-G.
> > (2) When you reach Germantown, TURN EAST at the TRAFFIC LIGHT (by
> > Stewart'sconvenience store) onto COUNTY ROUTE 8 (Main Street). Go
> > about 6/10 of a
> > MILE until you reach the intersection of Main Street and COUNTY
> > ROUTE 33
> > (Church Avenue). TURN RIGHT(south) onto CHURCH AVENUE, go 250
> > FEET, and you
> > will see the twin steeples of the church on your left.
> >
> > To find the house, go east from Germantown on County Route 8 till
> > you come
> > to a T. The house--a big blue Victorian--will be immediately to
> > your right.
> >
> > P.S. Please let me know if you plan to attend so we can have an
> > idea of how
> > many people to expect. Thanks!
> >
>

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08:08 25.06.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>I'll be flying out of Philly on Friday afternoon, on the overnight to Madrid. We'll also be going to Seville, Torremolinos, Granada (where we'll be while you are all festing on the Fourth), Valencia, and Barcelona.

Here is a photo from my first visit to Granada (Alhambra) in 1997:

http://home.no.net/espenore/espen-ore/granada.jpg

and here is one from our visit in 1999:

http://home.no.net/espenore/spain99/alhawet.jpg

But it isn't *always* raining there:

http://home.no.net/espenore/spain99/alhasun.jpg

Espen

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It's very very tempting. I'm planning a trip to Toronto sometime around then but not sure exactly when. If I am not in Toronto on the 26th I will be in Germantown.
 
BrP
 
 
 


>>> 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET 06/25/03 08:10AM >>>
That was an e-oops, but no biggie. Is anyone else going to plan on attending?

Marie

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Lester Maddox dead at age 87 
 
BrP

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Jeff Rankin wrote:

> We have set the date for my mother's memorial service. It will be Saturday,
> July 26, at 11 a.m. at the Reformed Church of Germantown, 20 Church Avenue,
> Germantown, NY. Following the service, there will be an open house at her
> former home,  641 County Route 8. We'll have a buffet lunch and then drink
> a toast to her memory. Everyone's invited! If you can't make it in person,
> but want to be represented, feel free to write a tribute and email it to me
> at this address. We'll read them at the open house. Also, if  you plan to
> attend and would also be interested in participating in the memorial
> service, please let me know.

Thank you, Jeff, for letting us know. I was thinking about you
and your brother yesterday and wondering how things are going.

I also forgot to tell you that I recently drove through Cresaptown!
I thought it was entirely fitting that an entire town should be named
for her.

clo

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> That was an e-oops, but no biggie. Is anyone else going to plan on attending?
>

Me.
clo

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6/24/2003, 5:54 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

>>     That was a murder, not an execution.

cwv> And some would say that that is a distinction without a difference.

     Well, the distinction seems obvious.  Trial.  Jury of peers.
     Appeals.  etc. etc. etc.

dan

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6/24/2003, 7:17 PM, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>    So do many others, including Episcopalians.
>>
>> dan

AH> Really? In my Episcopalian church, Sunday school was for kids only. YMMV, I
AH> guess.

   Well, we have SS for kids, and we have classes for adults.  One can
   argue about whether they are or should be called "sunday school",
   but that's what they are.  Classes for adults in a variety of
   topics.

dan

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6/24/2003, 7:20 PM, Karen Kay wrote:


>> wish those on the thieves; they already tried to buy a cricket phone.

KK> What? What is a cricket phone?

   What those guys use out on the pitch.

dan

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> Lester Maddox dead at age 87
>
> BrP

I voted for him.
It was my first election.
It was a protest vote against the big parties. I was throwing
away my vote. I had little awareness of who he was and
what he stood for.
I listed my political affiliation as Christian Anarchist (a la
Kropotkin).
Ironically, the guy who won that election became a true hero,
perhaps the best person who ever sat in that office.

clo

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You're welcome.

And here's wishing you all painful nipples!

Marie Ascher wrote:

> Firstly, thanks to Rita for the viszla t-shirt!
>
> I got an email from the breeder yesterday. We still don't know if Nellie is pregnant but she thinks she detects some changes in her behavior -- and her nipples.
>
> So, we're hoping so.
>
> Also, while we're at it, my sister Beth and her husband had a <procedure> the other day. So we're hoping for changes in her nipples soon too.
>
> Marie
>
>


--
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Lynne Weber wrote
> Utah is

> the only state with the "option" of firing squad.

    A-hem. AND Idaho.
    (Dern Mormons.)

JMW

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:22 AM
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>You're welcome.
>
>And here's wishing you all painful nipples!
>

Quote of the week. I hate when my nipples hurt.



alec

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    Earlier this week, sitting in the auto repair shop waiting room, I
was leafing through an old issue of "Yachting" magazine.
    (Yes, I know, A Bad Sign, but not in this case.)
    My, my, my, a world I never knew existed.  Anyhoo, among the
beautiful pricey tubs listed for sale would occassionally appear one
with the legend "Not for sale to U. S. citizens."  Or, not for lease,
even, and one that couldn't even be *sailed* into US waters.
    Okay, what's up with that?  All I can think of is something to do
with the DEA.  Even WAGs are welcome at this point.  I haven't a clue.

JMW

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6/24/2003, 7:26 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:

LW> No hangings of any sort, public or by invitation.  The
LW> only death penalties remaining are lethal injection,
LW> gas chamber (very few) and electric chair;  Utah is
LW> the only state with the "option" of firing squad.

     Actually, Idaho does too.
     http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newidst?sctid=190270016.K
     Which figures, due to the high LDS population, and the fact that
     some of them still believe in the requirement for "blood
     atonement" (q.v. Gary Gilmore)

dan

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--- Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> wrote:
> 6/24/2003, 5:54 PM, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> >>     That was a murder, not an execution.
>
> cwv> And some would say that that is a distinction
> without a difference.
>
>      Well, the distinction seems obvious.  Trial.
> Jury of peers.
>      Appeals.  etc. etc. etc.
>
> dan

It has always puzzled me that the "distinct"
distinction between murder and execution is not made.


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>     Earlier this week, sitting in the auto repair shop waiting room, I
> was leafing through an old issue of "Yachting" magazine.
>     (Yes, I know, A Bad Sign, but not in this case.)
>     My, my, my, a world I never knew existed.  Anyhoo, among the
> beautiful pricey tubs listed for sale would occassionally appear one
> with the legend "Not for sale to U. S. citizens."  Or, not for lease,
> even, and one that couldn't even be *sailed* into US waters.
>     Okay, what's up with that?  All I can think of is something to do
> with the DEA.  Even WAGs are welcome at this point.  I haven't a clue.

I bet /Jim knows.

Karen

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6/24/2003, 7:29 PM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education classes - for all
>> ages.

KK> But isn't that different from Sunday School?

     How and why?

dan

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>
> Quote of the week. I hate when my nipples hurt.

    Still beats mildew.

JMW

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> > the only state with the "option" of firing squad.
>
>     A-hem. AND Idaho.
>     (Dern Mormons.)
>
> JMW

Sorry.  You're right, of course.


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> 6/24/2003, 7:29 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education classes - for all
>>> ages.
>
> KK> But isn't that different from Sunday School?
>
>      How and why?

I think of Sunday School--and First Day School--as something to keep the
kids busy during services. Though I'm surprised how well many of the kids
do during meeting. There's one 9 year old boy that's amazing.

Karen

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>>     Earlier this week, sitting in the auto repair shop waiting room, I
>> was leafing through an old issue of "Yachting" magazine.
>>     (Yes, I know, A Bad Sign, but not in this case.)
>>     My, my, my, a world I never knew existed.  Anyhoo, among the
>> beautiful pricey tubs listed for sale would occassionally appear one
>> with the legend "Not for sale to U. S. citizens."  Or, not for lease,
>> even, and one that couldn't even be *sailed* into US waters.
>>     Okay, what's up with that?  All I can think of is something to do
>> with the DEA.  Even WAGs are welcome at this point.  I haven't a clue.
>
>I bet /Jim knows.

I'm afraid not. I know you can't charter a boat not USA built, but
don't know why you couldn't buy one for private use.

And, Washington State allowed hanging as an option for the condemned
just a few years ago.

/Jim

>
>Karen

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John Williams wrote:

>     Earlier this week, sitting in the auto repair shop waiting room, I
> was leafing through an old issue of "Yachting" magazine.
>     (Yes, I know, A Bad Sign, but not in this case.)
>     My, my, my, a world I never knew existed.  Anyhoo, among the
> beautiful pricey tubs listed for sale would occassionally appear one
> with the legend "Not for sale to U. S. citizens."  Or, not for lease,
> even, and one that couldn't even be *sailed* into US waters.
>     Okay, what's up with that?  All I can think of is something to do
> with the DEA.  Even WAGs are welcome at this point.  I haven't a clue.


        My guess is that they can't be documented for some reason --
boats of a certain size have to be documented with the feds
so that they can be comandeered during wartime.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> >And here's wishing you all painful nipples!
>
> Quote of the week. I hate when my nipples hurt.

I at least get an assist!

Marie

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> I'm afraid not. I know you can't charter a boat not USA built, but don't
> know why you couldn't buy one for private use.

???? Protectionism?

> And, Washington State allowed hanging as an option for the condemned
> just a few years ago.

I'm taking notes about what states I want to commit my crimes in...

Karen

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:22 AM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> >
> >
> >You're welcome.
> >
> >And here's wishing you all painful nipples!
> >
>
> Quote of the week. I hate when my nipples hurt.
>
> alec

You should. If your nipples hurt, I would advise you to see
your doctor.
clo

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6/25/2003, 8:03 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I'm afraid not. I know you can't charter a boat not USA built, but don't
>> know why you couldn't buy one for private use.

KK> ???? Protectionism?

>> And, Washington State allowed hanging as an option for the condemned
>> just a few years ago.

KK> I'm taking notes about what states I want to commit my crimes in...

A quick google search produced this as one of many pages that list
where there is, or isn't, death penalty.

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Resources.htm

dan

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> KK> I'm taking notes about what states I want to commit my crimes in...
>
> A quick google search produced this as one of many pages that list where
> there is, or isn't, death penalty.
>
> http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Resources.htm

It's not the death penalty per se that concerns me as much as the firing
squad/hanging possibilities.

Karen

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Carolyn Ostrander wrote:

> "Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
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>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:22 AM
>>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>>
>>>
>>>You're welcome.
>>>
>>>And here's wishing you all painful nipples!
>>>
>>>
>>Quote of the week. I hate when my nipples hurt.
>>
>>alec
>>
>
> You should. If your nipples hurt, I would advise you to see
> your doctor.
> clo


Unless it's because he has a vigorous sex life.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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6/25/2003, 8:28 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

>> http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Resources.htm

KK> It's not the death penalty per se that concerns me as much as the firing
KK> squad/hanging possibilities.

     I still think the only states with alternatives to lethal
     injection are Idaho and Utah with firing squad.  But you have to
     CHOOSE the firing squad, otherwise you just get the needle.

dan

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> 6/25/2003, 8:28 AM, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>> http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Resources.htm
>
> KK> It's not the death penalty per se that concerns me as much as the
> firing KK> squad/hanging possibilities.
>
>      I still think the only states with alternatives to lethal
>      injection are Idaho and Utah with firing squad.  But you have to
> CHOOSE the firing squad, otherwise you just get the needle.

Well, that's good to know. And who knows, I may *want* a firing squad at
some point.

Karen

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What's the reason for the shift, aside from marketing?

lisa

At 08:23 AM 6/24/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>The shift in the Netherlands from roll your own to filter tip
>over the last ten years is visible in the crap rolling around in
>the streets.  One good rain and the self-rolled butts
>disintegrated.
>
>
>Carolyn Ostrander:
>= I rolled one just last month, to see if I still could. (I can). A lot of
>= poor working-class people and starving artists I know still roll their
>= own.
>= clo
>=
>= Espen Ore wrote:
>=
>= > 19:50 22.06.2003 -0700 skrev Lynne Weber:
>= > >> > jeezus beezus, get WITH it, they're like OVER
>= > >> anyway
>= > >>
>= > >> I still don't know why pacifiers would be illegal.
>= > >>
>= > >> Karen
>= > >
>= > >That must present a puzzlement for parents.  At one
>= > >time it was legal to sell cigarette papers (presumably
>= > >because some folks still rolled their own cigarettes),
>= > >but it was illegal to have them on your person.
>= > >
>= > >I mean, talk about juvy court, this is ridiculous.
>= >
>= > In Europe (Northern Europe at least) quite a lot of people still roll
>their own cigarettes.
>= >
>= > Espen

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I started reading a little book by Steinbeck called _Travels
with Charley_.  I suspect it inspired Heat-Moon's book
strongly, as it is similar in style.  Steinbeck travels the
country in a pick-up truck with a camper top, ordered
directly from one of the "great automobile manufacturers."

I love Steinbeck's voice in this book, as it is sly and
funny and a little Hemingway-ish in a self-mocking way.

At the moment, I'm in the New England section, and he does
capture old New England well. His first stop is Deer Isle,
which he describs in such otherworldly tones.

Also, I was out watering my flower beds last night (first
time I've had to, actually, we've had so much rain), and I
noticed a large number of itty bitty bees burrowing into and
out of the mulch.  I'm very pleased that my hydrangeas
decided to bloom this year, and have done so spectacularly.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 09:32 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Congratulations, Espen! I'm sure you'll have pictures for us shortly
>thereafter.
>
>Marie
>    Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy  -- I LOVE that!

Oh Christ Marie, don't start getting all cutesy on us!

lisa

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> I started reading a little book by Steinbeck called _Travels
> with Charley_.  I suspect it inspired Heat-Moon's book
> strongly, as it is similar in style.  Steinbeck travels the
> country in a pick-up truck with a camper top, ordered
> directly from one of the "great automobile manufacturers."
>
> I love Steinbeck's voice in this book, as it is sly and
> funny and a little Hemingway-ish in a self-mocking way.

I'm surprised that you've never read this. There's also Graham Greene's
"Travels with My Aunt".

> Also, I was out watering my flower beds last night (first
> time I've had to, actually, we've had so much rain), and I
> noticed a large number of itty bitty bees burrowing into and
> out of the mulch.  I'm very pleased that my hydrangeas
> decided to bloom this year, and have done so spectacularly.

YaY! Hydrangeas always remind me of Japan.

Karen

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At 09:01 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>  featuring an embalmed Mike Wallace

Morley Safer lives in CT, a couple of towns over from my mother. She and I
saw him in a restaurant one day. Not too long afterwards my brother poured
concrete at his house. It's a family consensus the guy is a walking,
smoking, embalment (how's that made up word sitting w/ y'all?).

lisa

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At 09:43 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>        The nuns uninvited me from catechism class.  I had to be home
>schooled by my mother to make first communion (my mom is
>catholic; my dad is orthodox).  I am not making this up.
>Ana, however, did earn the perfect attendance award for
>Sunday School and Children's Choir this year.

You were uninvited because of your parents?

lisa

>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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At 10:21 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I prinited out the list from their web site, and I have a phone number
>that I will insist they call if they don't believe the list (which they
>should have). I'm prepared to be really hardnosed about this.
>
>Karen

Where are you flying to and when?

lisa

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At 11:02 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > Too bad I didn't know the wrench was in my knapsack or else I would have
> > taken it out. As a matter of fact it was tucked into a compartment I
> > never use and it took security a while to find whatever it was that was
> > showing up on the screen. By this time my luggage had already been
> > checked and our driver was gone. Gone too was my allen wrench.
>
>I have extras if you want one.
>
>Karen

Thanks for the offer but the wrench has been replaced and has been moved to
my little bike pouch thingy, something I know I'll never take to the
airport with me.

lisa

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:43 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>        The nuns uninvited me from catechism class.  I had to be home
>> schooled by my mother to make first communion (my mom is
>> catholic; my dad is orthodox).  I am not making this up.
>> Ana, however, did earn the perfect attendance award for
>> Sunday School and Children's Choir this year.
>
>
> You were uninvited because of your parents?


        No, on my own merits.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> At 10:21 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I prinited out the list from their web site, and I have a phone number
>> that I will insist they call if they don't believe the list (which they
>> should have). I'm prepared to be really hardnosed about this.
>>
>>Karen
>
> Where are you flying to and when?

Friday. Rock Island, Illinois. My sister sprang for the ticket because she
LIKES ME and wants to spend time with me while her husband is fishing. And
I need to finish her present on the plane!

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

>>I started reading a little book by Steinbeck called _Travels
>>with Charley_.  I suspect it inspired Heat-Moon's book
>>strongly, as it is similar in style.  Steinbeck travels the
>>country in a pick-up truck with a camper top, ordered
>>directly from one of the "great automobile manufacturers."
>>
>>I love Steinbeck's voice in this book, as it is sly and
>>funny and a little Hemingway-ish in a self-mocking way.
>>
>
> I'm surprised that you've never read this. There's also Graham Greene's
> "Travels with My Aunt".


Well, one cannot have read everything by age 35^h^h 23, you
know.

You will be even more surprised to know that I've never read
a thing by Graham Greene.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> KK> I'm taking notes about what states I want to
> commit my crimes in...
>
> A quick google search produced this as one of many
> pages that list
> where there is, or isn't, death penalty.
>
> http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Resources.htm
>
> dan

There you go, Miss Kay.  Perhaps any  future vacation
plans could include short side trips, like Hawaiian
hit list, or Alaskan eliminator.


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>I think of Sunday School--and First Day School--as something to keep the
>kids busy during services. Though I'm surprised how well many of the kids
>do during meeting. There's one 9 year old boy that's amazing.
>
>Karen

It's always been separate where I attended although sometimes some churches
offer something for younger children during the regular worship service,
too.  Are you attending in Austin?

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> >Marie
> >    Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy  -- I LOVE that!
>
> Oh Christ Marie, don't start getting all cutesy on us!

And how are your nipples today?

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>I started reading a little book by Steinbeck called _Travels
>>>with Charley_.  I suspect it inspired Heat-Moon's book
>>>strongly, as it is similar in style.  Steinbeck travels the
>>>country in a pick-up truck with a camper top, ordered
>>>directly from one of the "great automobile manufacturers."
>>>
>>>I love Steinbeck's voice in this book, as it is sly and
>>>funny and a little Hemingway-ish in a self-mocking way.
>>>
>>
>> I'm surprised that you've never read this. There's also Graham
>> Greene's "Travels with My Aunt".
>
>
> Well, one cannot have read everything by age 35^h^h 23, you
> know.

True. I had read this by then, though.

> You will be even more surprised to know that I've never read
> a thing by Graham Greene.

And I have read everything by him, because his books were cheap when I was
in Japan. (And American books were expensive.) Graham Greene and Somerset
Maugham and Agatha Christie. (I sold my Christie collection before I
moved.)

I have very mixed feelings about GG. "Travels with My Aunt" is very
different from most of his books. I think the GG I like best is "Journey
Without Maps", something like that, about his trip to Liberia. That's also
very different from most of his books.

I guess I like his different books best. I am taking a couple of your
suggestions on my trip--the Balzac book among them.

Karen

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I want them to bring back public flogging.

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At 02:40 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>  I wonder how they feel about slavery and public executions by stoning?
>
>BrP

The bible says those are OK.

lisa


> >>> kaminski@ISTORI.COM 06/24/03 02:10PM >>>
> >Church extends gay ban but polygamy OK
> >
> >THE Sydney Anglican diocese yesterday widened its list of banned clergy to
> >include celibate homosexuals and those who had pre-marital sex and failed
> >to repent, but would still accept polygamists.
> >
> >The diocese justified the apparent contradiction by arguing the Bible's
> >outright condemnation of homosexuality compared with its oblique
> >disapproval of a man taking several wives.
>
><http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6649867%255E2702,00.html>
>
>or
>
><http://tinyurl.com/f5bu>
>
>Pete

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> It's always been separate where I attended although sometimes some
> churchesoffer something for younger children during the regular
> worship service,
> too.  Are you attending in Austin?

We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass. It's general purpose was to prepare for the Sacraments. I don't remember anything that was taught there though. I do have a couple of fairly vivid memories about the place and it's smell and texture, and the nuns and the chairs and the pageant-type things (and the practice for). And I remember on the very first day I ever attended, we were told that we had to bring our <materials> each week to class, and I thought, "Cool! Sewing!"

Marie

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:06:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
> <<
> I want them to bring back public flogging.
>
> >>
>
> yes, and i know whom i want flogged.

Yes, but do you know who you want to be flogged by?
clo

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> We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.

I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
it's so different.

Karen

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>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/25/03 11:13AM >>>
Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:06:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
> <<
> I want them to bring back public flogging.
>
> >>
>
> yes, and i know whom i want flogged.

Yes, but do you know who you want to be flogged by?
clo

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At 02:19 PM 6/25/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:
>08:08 25.06.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
> >I'll be flying out of Philly on Friday afternoon, on the overnight to
> Madrid. We'll also be going to Seville, Torremolinos, Granada (where
> we'll be while you are all festing on the Fourth), Valencia, and Barcelona.
>
>Here is a photo from my first visit to Granada (Alhambra) in 1997:

Take a rain coat, Marie!

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Where is Janet?  I often thought that if I ever wanted to be flogged by anyone I would want to be flogged by her.  After all, why not go directly to the expert?
 
BrP
 


>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/25/03 11:13AM >>>
Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:06:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
> <<
> I want them to bring back public flogging.
>
> >>
>
> yes, and i know whom i want flogged.

Yes, but do you know who you want to be flogged by?
clo

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> Take a rain coat, Marie!

What time of year were you there, Espen?

Marie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
>
> I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
> it's so different.
>
> Karen

In our (Methodist) congregations (that is, the ones my parents
grew up in, and the ones my father preached to), Sunday School
happened before or after the service, and included an adult class
which was well attended. Many of the people had kids they had
transported to SS, so they were kicking around anyway; but a
surprising (to me) number of older adults with no kids of SS age
were very dedicated attendees of the adult class. At some
churches and times it was a straight Bible Study class, with reading
assignments and discussion of what the text "really" meant. Other
classes, though, sought to apply Christian principles to real-life
problems. After puberty, I was moved up to the adult class, and
even subbed for the teacher on occasion!

During the service there was day care for kids after the childrens'
sermon, but it wasn't mandatory. My dad likes kids and kid noise,
and everybody knew he wouldn't be bothered by kids playing in
the aisle or drawing on the bulletins during the sermon. Occasionally
one would really charm him by coming into the pulpit and sitting on
his lap during the choir number.

clo

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:06:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
<<
I want them to bring back public flogging.

>>

yes, and i know whom i want flogged.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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>>I think of Sunday School--and First Day School--as something to keep
>> the kids busy during services. Though I'm surprised how well many of
>> the kids do during meeting. There's one 9 year old boy that's amazing.
>>
>>Karen
>
> It's always been separate where I attended although sometimes some
> churches offer something for younger children during the regular worship
> service, too.  Are you attending in Austin?

I've been going to Quaker meeting for almost a year. That's my only
experience with something resembling Sunday School.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:13:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
> Yes, but do you know who you want to be flogged by?
> clo
>
>>

i'm going to do the flogging; i'm going to flog those who
invaded my apartment and stole our purses.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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At 09:57 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri wrote:
>
>>At 09:43 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>        The nuns uninvited me from catechism class.
>>You were uninvited because of your parents?
>
>
>        No, on my own merits.

Anything interesting?

lisa

>--
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:13:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
> clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
> <<
> > Yes, but do you know who you want to be flogged by?
> > clo
> >
> >>
>
> i'm going to do the flogging; i'm going to flog those who
> invaded my apartment and stole our purses.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> My reality check bounced.

Yes, I knew this, and I was wishing that someone else - say,
BrP or Bad Betty - had made this remark. I am sorry about
the theft, and understand your anger. It was just too good an
opening to pass up!

clo

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>> > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
>>
>> I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
>> it's so different.
>
> Yep, and we all marched over to the church afterwards. Here's where I
> went to Sunday School: http://olg1.org/
>
> In high school it was on a Tuesday night. I think I went for a year,
> maybe two, befor I was reprieved.

Hm. I mostly went to Catholic school, but the two years I went to CCD, we
all went on Monday nights. And I know we all weren't in high school.

Karen

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:32:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
<<
I am sorry about
the theft, and understand your anger.
>>

I think what I'm most angry about is that they could have killed us,
and we wouldn't have known.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
>
> I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
> it's so different.

Yep, and we all marched over to the church afterwards. Here's where I went to Sunday School: http://olg1.org/

In high school it was on a Tuesday night. I think I went for a year, maybe two, befor I was reprieved.

Marie

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    Am I the only one amazed at the big deal the VRWC is making over
Howard Dean's son being arrested for burglary?

John

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>     Am I the only one amazed at the big deal the VRWC is making over
> Howard Dean's son being arrested for burglary?

I hadn't heard about it, so the deal couldn't be that big.:)

Karen

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The other thing I remember distnctly is how many of the SS classes were held in our house.  There was no place to run to if I didn't want to go.  Most of the time I enjoyed - or tolerated - it.  My friends were all there and most of the teachers were not bad.  I suppose I actually learned some things as well.
 
BrP
 
- like clo, a pk
 


>>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/25/03 11:30AM >>>
Karen Kay wrote:

> > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
>
> I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
> it's so different.
>
> Karen

In our (Methodist) congregations (that is, the ones my parents
grew up in, and the ones my father preached to), Sunday School
happened before or after the service, and included an adult class
which was well attended. Many of the people had kids they had
transported to SS, so they were kicking around anyway; but a
surprising (to me) number of older adults with no kids of SS age
were very dedicated attendees of the adult class. At some
churches and times it was a straight Bible Study class, with reading
assignments and discussion of what the text "really" meant. Other
classes, though, sought to apply Christian principles to real-life
problems. After puberty, I was moved up to the adult class, and
even subbed for the teacher on occasion!

During the service there was day care for kids after the childrens'
sermon, but it wasn't mandatory. My dad likes kids and kid noise,
and everybody knew he wouldn't be bothered by kids playing in
the aisle or drawing on the bulletins during the sermon. Occasionally
one would really charm him by coming into the pulpit and sitting on
his lap during the choir number.

clo

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At 09:57 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > At 10:21 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>I prinited out the list from their web site, and I have a phone number
> >> that I will insist they call if they don't believe the list (which they
> >> should have). I'm prepared to be really hardnosed about this.
> >>
> >>Karen
> >
> > Where are you flying to and when?
>
>Friday. Rock Island, Illinois. My sister sprang for the ticket because she
>LIKES ME and wants to spend time with me while her husband is fishing. And
>I need to finish her present on the plane!
>
>Karen

Cool. Have a great time!

lisa

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:42:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<<
I'm sure you would have figured it out eventually.

>>

Oh, I know, but I'm not ready to go yet.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:32:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
> clostran@SYR.EDU writes:
> <<
> I am sorry about
> the theft, and understand your anger.
>
>
> I think what I'm most angry about is that they could have killed us,
> and we wouldn't have known.


        I'm sure you would have figured it out eventually.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 11:04 AM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Marie
> > >    Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy  -- I LOVE that!
> >
> > Oh Christ Marie, don't start getting all cutesy on us!
>
>And how are your nipples today?

Frosty!

lisa

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> Cool. Have a great time!

Thank you, I will. I will be thinking of you guys on the 4th and
remembering Lompoc.:)

Karen

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cite please
 
BrP


>>> williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU 06/25/03 11:32AM >>>
    Am I the only one amazed at the big deal the VRWC is making over
Howard Dean's son being arrested for burglary?

John

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At 07:56 AM 6/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I want them to bring back public flogging.

We have it here, once a year, during the Pride Parade.

lisa

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I bet she would be gentle, at least to start.

Betty

At 11:20 AM 6/25/2003 -0400, Paul Barfoot wrote:
>Where is Janet?  I often thought that if I ever wanted to be flogged by
>anyone I would want to be flogged by her.  After all, why not go directly
>to the expert?
>
>BrP
>
>
>
> >>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/25/03 11:13AM >>>
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 6/25/2003 10:06:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
> > <<
> > I want them to bring back public flogging.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > yes, and i know whom i want flogged.
>
>Yes, but do you know who you want to be flogged by?
>clo

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At 08:32 AM 6/25/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>     Am I the only one amazed at the big deal the VRWC is making over
>Howard Dean's son being arrested for burglary?
>
>John

I saw it a couple days ago while at the gym. It scrolled across the bottom
of the screen.

Yesterday the Boston Globe reported it, quoting Dean's comment which was
something like, "he'll have to face the consequences".

And that's it, no blaring headlines and no long drawn out stories on the news.

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:

>>6/24/2003, 7:29 PM, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Many Episcopalian adults go to Christian Education classes - for all
>>>>ages.
>>>>
>>KK> But isn't that different from Sunday School?
>>
>>     How and why?
>>
>
> I think of Sunday School--and First Day School--as something to keep the
> kids busy during services. Though I'm surprised how well many of the kids
> do during meeting. There's one 9 year old boy that's amazing.


        Our Sunday School is between services -- we need the kids on
the altar, etc. during the service (Ana holds Fr.'s hymnal
during the gospel reading).  During the sermon, some kids go
to the nursery, some go to children's chapel, and some go to
children's choir.  They're usually around for everything
else. I sometimes teach chapel, and Ana likes choir.  She
will sit through a whole service, though.  She made it all
the way through when the new Bishop visited, and godalmighty
was that man a bore.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen:

> >     Am I the only one amazed at the big deal the VRWC is making over
> > Howard Dean's son being arrested for burglary?

>I hadn't heard about it, so the deal couldn't be that big.:)

You've been punk'd.

Boo, Karen, for falling for a JMW straight line. You've had, what,
only 10 odd years of reading him.

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At 09:40 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:

>At the moment, I'm in the New England section, and he does
>capture old New England well. His first stop is Deer Isle,
>which he describs in such otherworldly tones.

We were there two Sundays ago.  Although I'm sure that it is more developed
than when Steinbeck saw it, it still has its otherworldly tones, especially
around Stonington and the old quarry.

cwv

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At 11:34 AM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
> >
> > I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
> > it's so different.
>
>Yep, and we all marched over to the church afterwards. Here's where I went
>to Sunday School: http://olg1.org/
>
>In high school it was on a Tuesday night. I think I went for a year, maybe
>two, befor I was reprieved.

Looks like a prison.

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> I bet she would be gentle, at least to start.

It's a good way to warm up your back muscles.

Karen

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>> I bet she would be gentle, at least to start.
>
> It's a good way to warm up your back muscles.

I've heard tell.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I started reading a little book by Steinbeck called _Travels
>>>>with Charley_.  I suspect it inspired Heat-Moon's book
>>>>strongly, as it is similar in style.  Steinbeck travels the
>>>>country in a pick-up truck with a camper top, ordered
>>>>directly from one of the "great automobile manufacturers."
>>>>
>>>>I love Steinbeck's voice in this book, as it is sly and
>>>>funny and a little Hemingway-ish in a self-mocking way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I'm surprised that you've never read this. There's also Graham
>>>Greene's "Travels with My Aunt".
>>>
>>
>>Well, one cannot have read everything by age 35^h^h 23, you
>>know.
>>
>
> True. I had read this by then, though.


        I'm not well read.  I read my first Steinbeck just last year.
  I've read very little Hemingway and no Faulkner at all
(although I just added _The Sound and the Fury_ to my TBR
stack).  I just discovered that I love D.H. Lawrence.  In
some ways I'm relieved that there are still great classics
left for me to discover.


>>You will be even more surprised to know that I've never read
>>a thing by Graham Greene.
>>
>
> And I have read everything by him, because his books were cheap when I was
> in Japan. (And American books were expensive.) Graham Greene and Somerset
> Maugham and Agatha Christie. (I sold my Christie collection before I
> moved.)


I haven't read Maugham or Christie, either.  I think I check
ed a Maugham out of the library once, but didn't get to it
before it had to be returned.


> I have very mixed feelings about GG. "Travels with My Aunt" is very
> different from most of his books. I think the GG I like best is "Journey
> Without Maps", something like that, about his trip to Liberia. That's also
> very different from most of his books.


I have a travel book fetish, so maybe I'll buy these two and
  see what I think of him.


> I guess I like his different books best. I am taking a couple of your
> suggestions on my trip--the Balzac book among them.


I want to read Balzac himself, now.  I may be acquiring a
taste for French lit.

I'm taking the last 3 volumes of Proust with me (the Vintage
anthology).  I think that should get me through the 3 weeks
in good shape.




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It's probably all marketing.  Possibly the cost has equalized
too, but that I don't know.

lisa alfieri:
= What's the reason for the shift, aside from marketing?
=
= lisa
=
= At 08:23 AM 6/24/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
= >The shift in the Netherlands from roll your own to filter tip
= >over the last ten years is visible in the crap rolling around in
= >the streets.  One good rain and the self-rolled butts
= >disintegrated.

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 09:57 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> lisa alfieri wrote:
>>
>>> At 09:43 AM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>        The nuns uninvited me from catechism class.
>>>
>>> You were uninvited because of your parents?
>>
>>
>>
>>        No, on my own merits.
>
>
> Anything interesting?


        I don't remember.  I bet my mom does.  I'll have to ask her.
  I dimly recall needing to be tested on the catechism by
the priest and trying to discuss Jesus Christ Superstar with
him (which was strictly forbidden for Catholics to see at
the time).



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>         I'm not well read.

These days, I'm not sure what "well read" means. I do think of you as
widely read, if that helps.

> I read my first Steinbeck just last year.

Where did you go to school?!

>   I've read very little Hemingway and no Faulkner at all
> (although I just added _The Sound and the Fury_ to my TBR
> stack).  I just discovered that I love D.H. Lawrence.  In
> some ways I'm relieved that there are still great classics
> left for me to discover.

Hm. Yes, I guess. There are many great classics I've decided I have no
interest in.

> I haven't read Maugham or Christie, either.  I think I check
> ed a Maugham out of the library once, but didn't get to it
> before it had to be returned.

Some of his stuff is very good. I really liked his short stories and I
think I might have read a diary or something. But really, I only read his
books because they were cheap.

> I have a travel book fetish, so maybe I'll buy these two and
> see what I think of him.

Read Isabella Bird's book about her trip to Japan.

> I want to read Balzac himself, now.  I may be acquiring a
> taste for French lit.

I don't remember what I've read of Balzac; I know I was forced to read
Balzac and Proust in my French classes.

> I'm taking the last 3 volumes of Proust with me (the Vintage
> anthology).  I think that should get me through the 3 weeks
> in good shape.

LOL. Yes!

Karen

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Rita:

>I'm not well read.  I read my first Steinbeck just last year.
>  I've read very little Hemingway and no Faulkner at all
>(although I just added _The Sound and the Fury_ to my TBR

I didn't care at all for the little I read of Hemingway. I like
Steinbeck a lot and Travels with Charley is up there for me.
Faulkner doesn't interest me at all for some reason.

>stack).  I just discovered that I love D.H. Lawrence.  In
>some ways I'm relieved that there are still great classics
>left for me to discover.

No fears on that score here - plenty of great classics for me to discover.

>I have a travel book fetish, so maybe I'll buy these two and
>  see what I think of him.

My travel book fetish led me to purchase -Yoga for those who
can't be bothered to do it- and -Cathedrals of the Flesh-. They're
a little boboish but fun reads. I get bombarded with travel book
recommendations when I surf Amazon.

> > I guess I like his different books best. I am taking a couple of your
> > suggestions on my trip--the Balzac book among them.

I was put off the Balzac book by the cover. That was before I saw
Rita's review. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

>I'm taking the last 3 volumes of Proust with me (the Vintage
>anthology).  I think that should get me through the 3 weeks
>in good shape.

I'm trying to rein in my book reading. I suck at job hunting tasks
and can put them off indefinitely by sticking my nose in a book.

-rashmi

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 09:40 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> At the moment, I'm in the New England section, and he does
>> capture old New England well. His first stop is Deer Isle,
>> which he describs in such otherworldly tones.
>
>
> We were there two Sundays ago.  Although I'm sure that it is more developed
> than when Steinbeck saw it, it still has its otherworldly tones, especially
> around Stonington and the old quarry.


I may need to make a side trip.




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Rita:
> him (which was strictly forbidden for Catholics to see at
> the time).

*forbidden*?

By whom?

When was "at the time"?

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> Rita:
>> him (which was strictly forbidden for Catholics to see at
>> the time).
>
> *forbidden*?
>
> By whom?
>
> When was "at the time"?

Whew. I had those same questions, but decided I was too old and out of it.

Karen

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Karen:
>I had those same questions, but decided I was too old and out of it.

Well, I know some people have strong
feelings about Andrew Lloyd Webber
and say he should be forbidden, but
I think that's on artistic merit.

--
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human powered vehicle wrote:

> Rita:
>
>>him (which was strictly forbidden for Catholics to see at
>>the time).
>>
>
> *forbidden*?
>
> By whom?


The church hierarchy.  Who else would care?


> When was "at the time"?


When it was first performed in the 70's.  You don't remember
all the controversy?




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http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,196409,00.html

"Son's arrest may win votes for Howard Dean"


Karen

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>>By whom?
>The church hierarchy.  Who else would care?

Cite, please.  Really.

> When it was first performed in the 70's.  You don't remember
> all the controversy?

Of course I remember.  My sister had the record.

By the way -- it wasn't _performed_ on stage
until 1971; the record came out in 1970.


--
Richard

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Paul Barfoot wrote:

> cite please

    Oops.  That was Not Meant For Your Eyes.  Oh, well.
    Easier to find where it didn't appear.  None of the AZ dailes, for
starts, but it was buried waaaaaaaay at the bottom of a story in
MacPaper yesterday.  My point on double standards still stands, however.

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

>>        I'm not well read.
>>
>
> These days, I'm not sure what "well read" means. I do think of you as
> widely read, if that helps.


I have a lot of gaps.


>
>>I read my first Steinbeck just last year.
>>
>
> Where did you go to school?!


Well, I was sort of at the mercy of what my professors
wanted to teach.  I remember reading some of the same works
over and over and over -- I may have hit an excerpt or
something, but not that I remember.



> Hm. Yes, I guess. There are many great classics I've decided I have no
> interest in.


There are some I'm too old for now.



>>I have a travel book fetish, so maybe I'll buy these two and
>>see what I think of him.
>>
>
> Read Isabella Bird's book about her trip to Japan.


OK.



>>I'm taking the last 3 volumes of Proust with me (the Vintage
>>anthology).  I think that should get me through the 3 weeks
>>in good shape.
>>
>
> LOL. Yes!

I'm organizing my books today, and it is turning out to be trickier

than I anticipated.




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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita:

>
> I didn't care at all for the little I read of Hemingway. I like
> Steinbeck a lot and Travels with Charley is up there for me.
> Faulkner doesn't interest me at all for some reason.


I read Hemingway on airplanes for some reason.  Maybe
because it's sort of a reliable classic that you can find at
airport bookstores.



> I'm trying to rein in my book reading. I suck at job hunting tasks
> and can put them off indefinitely by sticking my nose in a book.
>


Books are excellent that way!




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> My point on double standards still stands, however.

Point?!

Karen

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At 11:41 AM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>The other thing I remember distnctly is how many of the SS classes were
>held in our house.  There was no place to run to if I didn't want to
>go.  Most of the time I enjoyed - or tolerated - it.  My friends were all
>there and most of the teachers were not bad.  I suppose I actually learned
>some things as well.
>
>BrP
>
>- like clo, a pk

We even had  small classes in cars.

Not a PK but the PKs and I sure had a lot of fun.  No one suspected.

Betty



> >>> clostran@SYR.EDU 06/25/03 11:30AM >>>
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
> >
> > I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
> > it's so different.
> >
> > Karen
>
>In our (Methodist) congregations (that is, the ones my parents
>grew up in, and the ones my father preached to), Sunday School
>happened before or after the service, and included an adult class
>which was well attended. Many of the people had kids they had
>transported to SS, so they were kicking around anyway; but a
>surprising (to me) number of older adults with no kids of SS age
>were very dedicated attendees of the adult class. At some
>churches and times it was a straight Bible Study class, with reading
>assignments and discussion of what the text "really" meant. Other
>classes, though, sought to apply Christian principles to real-life
>problems. After puberty, I was moved up to the adult class, and
>even subbed for the teacher on occasion!
>
>During the service there was day care for kids after the childrens'
>sermon, but it wasn't mandatory. My dad likes kids and kid noise,
>and everybody knew he wouldn't be bothered by kids playing in
>the aisle or drawing on the bulletins during the sermon. Occasionally
>one would really charm him by coming into the pulpit and sitting on
>his lap during the choir number.
>
>clo

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At 10:44 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Cool. Have a great time!
>
>Thank you, I will. I will be thinking of you guys on the 4th and
>remembering Lompoc.:)

Lompoc was wonderful. I still have my napkin and napkin ring! Do you
remember Mary Ann planting red, white, and blue flowers?  I'm going to wear
my Lompoc flower flag shirt on the fourth.

Look up.

Betty

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> At 10:44 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Cool. Have a great time!
>>
>>Thank you, I will. I will be thinking of you guys on the 4th and
>>remembering Lompoc.:)
>
> Lompoc was wonderful.

It was.

> I still have my napkin and napkin ring! Do you
> remember Mary Ann planting red, white, and blue flowers?  I'm going to
> wear my Lompoc flower flag shirt on the fourth.
>
> Look up.

:)

Karen

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> Hm. I mostly went to Catholic school, but the two years I went to
> CCD, we
> all went on Monday nights. And I know we all weren't in high school.

Oh, well, for us CCD was only for the non-Catholic school kids. Since presumably they covered it all at a school where they taught "Religion".

Marie

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> Looks like a prison.

I know.

It is an especially bad picture, but it's really not much better.

Marie

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>> Hm. I mostly went to Catholic school, but the two years I went to CCD,
>> we
>> all went on Monday nights. And I know we all weren't in high school.
>
> Oh, well, for us CCD was only for the non-Catholic school kids.

Right. I went to public school my last two years. Those are the two years
I'm talking about.

Karen

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human powered vehicle wrote:

>>>By whom?
>>>
>>The church hierarchy.  Who else would care?
>>
>
> Cite, please.  Really.


I can't find one.  I just remember you weren't supposed to
go see it at first because it was apostasy.



>>When it was first performed in the 70's.  You don't remember
>>all the controversy?
>>
>
> Of course I remember.  My sister had the record.
>
> By the way -- it wasn't _performed_ on stage
> until 1971; the record came out in 1970.


Richard, I was exactly 2 years old in 1970.  I don't
remember exact dates.




--
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Wasn't the objection mostly about how Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene was portrayed?  
 
BrP
 

>>> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET 06/25/03 01:59PM >>>
human powered vehicle wrote:


I can't find one.  I just remember you weren't supposed to
go see it at first because it was apostasy.

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The Complimentary Medicine Journal Club will meet tomorrow, June 26, 2003 from 12-1 pm.  Room B312 in Behavioral Health Ctr.  For more information contact ...

I had to forward it here instead of saying something smart assed!

(oh, what a nice cholecystectomy you have...)

Marie

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OK, I found a cite:
http://www.cuf.org/facts1b.htm

You have to scroll and click on "Jesus Christ Superstar" for
the Acrobat file.  Says young Catholics should not be
exposed to it.


Paul Barfoot wrote:

>
> Wasn't the objection mostly about how Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene was portrayed?
>
> BrP
>
>
>
>>>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET 06/25/03 01:59PM >>>
>>>>
> human powered vehicle wrote:
>
>
> I can't find one.  I just remember you weren't supposed to
> go see it at first because it was apostasy.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>


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>> Cite, please.  Really.
> I can't find one.

Yeah, I'll bet you can't.

> I just remember you weren't supposed to
> go see it

That's an entirely different thing
than "strictly forbidden", isn't it?

>at first because it was apostasy.

You mean heresy.  "...just a man",
and all that.

Apostasy's another different thing.

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BrP:
> Wasn't the objection mostly about how Jesus'
> relationship with Mary Magdalene was portrayed?

Some of it, yeah, but are you thinking of "Last Temptation"?

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human powered vehicle wrote:

>>>Cite, please.  Really.
>>>
>>I can't find one.
>>
>
> Yeah, I'll bet you can't.


Actually, I did.



>>I just remember you weren't supposed to
>>go see it
>>
>
> That's an entirely different thing
> than "strictly forbidden", isn't it?


Not in the mind of a 7-year-old, which is the perspective I
was writing my post from.  Maybe you missed that.



>>at first because it was apostasy.
>>
>
> You mean heresy.  "...just a man",
> and all that.
>
> Apostasy's another different thing.


Whatever.  It's well established that I'm stupid.




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> >at first because it was apostasy.
>
> You mean heresy.  "...just a man",
> and all that.

And just a man with a Brooklyn accent.

Marie

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>From Burlington Free Press:
 
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Former Gov. Howard Dean stumbled during one unscripted moment in his carefully choreographed announcement for the presidency Monday. 
How will he win support of Democratic Party leaders, given his frequent criticism of them, a reporter asked Dean at a small morning news conference. 
Not a problem, Dean responded. They'll come around once they get to know me. 
"It is a bit of a club down there," he continued. "The Democratic Party, all the candidates from Washington, they all know each other, they all move in the same circles, and what I'm doing is breaking into the country club." 
Jaws dropped. 
Dean's 17-year-old son, Paul, was cited last week for aiding a break-in at the Burlington Country Club. Paul Dean allegedly drove the car while three friends broke into an outbuilding to steal beer. The former governor cut short a campaign trip to be with his family when he heard the news. Monday, Dean winced as he heard his own words. 
"That was an incredibly unfortunate" phrase, he said. "Why do I say these things?" he asked a press aide. 
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At 12:41 PM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Well, I was sort of at the mercy of what my professors
>wanted to teach.  I remember reading some of the same works
>over and over and over -- I may have hit an excerpt or
>something, but not that I remember.

I will live a happy life if I never had to read Antigone again. I had to
read it at least 3 times.

There are other books that fall into this category but at the moment I
cannot remember their titles.

lisa

>--
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>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Awesome slip up!

lisa

At 02:16 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> From Burlington Free Press:
>
>--------------------------------------
>Former Gov. Howard Dean stumbled during one unscripted moment in his
>carefully choreographed announcement for the presidency Monday.
>How will he win support of Democratic Party leaders, given his frequent
>criticism of them, a reporter asked Dean at a small morning news conference.
>Not a problem, Dean responded. They'll come around once they get to know me.
>"It is a bit of a club down there," he continued. "The Democratic Party,
>all the candidates from Washington, they all know each other, they all
>move in the same circles, and what I'm doing is breaking into the country
>club."
>Jaws dropped.
>Dean's 17-year-old son, Paul, was cited last week for aiding a break-in at
>the Burlington Country Club. Paul Dean allegedly drove the car while three
>friends broke into an outbuilding to steal beer. The former governor cut
>short a campaign trip to be with his family when he heard the news.
>Monday, Dean winced as he heard his own words.
>"That was an incredibly unfortunate" phrase, he said. "Why do I say these
>things?" he asked a press aide.
>---------------------------------------
>
>
>BrP
>
>
>

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At 10:17 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > We went to Sunday School (CCD) right before Mass.
>
>I've never heard of CCD being offered on a Sunday before. I wonder why
>it's so different.
>
>Karen

The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings, before church and they
were held at the junior high school.

The classes were for kids in 1-8th grade. In 9th grade, when one was going
to be confirmed we met at a teacher's house that was close to our neighborhood.

There were a couple of years where my mother had to work and couldn't bring
us to our church's CCD class. Instead we went to the Saturday classes that
were offered by another church in town. There was a big to do about this
because they wanted to make sure we were not only going to the classes but
that we were going to church as well.

The most remarkable thing to me was, when I was finally in junior high,
nothing had changed. The same stupid posters and announcements were on the
teacher's boards.

lisa

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--- Paul Barfoot <Prbarfoo@SYR.EDU> wrote:
> From Burlington Free Press:
>
> --------------------------------------
> Former Gov. Howard Dean stumbled during one
> unscripted moment in his carefully choreographed
> announcement for the presidency Monday.
> How will he win support of Democratic Party leaders,
> given his frequent criticism of them, a reporter
> asked Dean at a small morning news conference.
> Not a problem, Dean responded. They'll come around
> once they get to know me.
> "It is a bit of a club down there," he continued.
> "The Democratic Party, all the candidates from
> Washington, they all know each other, they all move
> in the same circles, and what I'm doing is breaking
> into the country club."
> Jaws dropped.
> Dean's 17-year-old son, Paul, was cited last week
> for aiding a break-in at the Burlington Country
> Club. Paul Dean allegedly drove the car while three
> friends broke into an outbuilding to steal beer. The
> former governor cut short a campaign trip to be with
> his family when he heard the news. Monday, Dean
> winced as he heard his own words.
> "That was an incredibly unfortunate" phrase, he
> said. "Why do I say these things?" he asked a press
> aide.
> ---------------------------------------
>
>
> BrP

It's hard to resist voting for him, if just to keep
him out of the diplomatic service.
>
>
>


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> The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings,
> before church and they
> were held at the junior high school.
>
> The most remarkable thing to me was, when I was
> finally in junior high,
> nothing had changed. The same stupid posters and
> announcements were on the
> teacher's boards.
>
> lisa

It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.


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> Actually, I did.

I'm not disputing the fact that some
organizations found the show offensive.

Your original choice of words was
inaccurate and misleading.

> Not in the mind of a 7-year-old, which is the perspective I
> was writing my post from.  Maybe you missed that.

Nice save!

--
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Betty Clark wrote:

> Lompoc was wonderful. I still have my napkin and napkin ring!

    So do I!

>   I'm going to wear
> my Lompoc flower flag shirt on the fourth.

    "Brought to you by Santa Barbara Savings & Trust."

John "I wouldn't pick up that tennis ball if I were you" W.

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>     "Brought to you by Santa Barbara Savings & Trust."

Isn't that always the way.

Karen

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What is the plural of "chassis"?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is the plural of "chassis"?

    Frames.

JMW

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> What is the plural of "chassis"?
>
>     Frames.

Huh?

Karen

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> What is the plural of "chassis"?

"chassis" -- you pronounce the last 's'.

--
Richard

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>> What is the plural of "chassis"?
>
> "chassis" -- you pronounce the last 's'.

Thank you. It just looked wrong.

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 12:41 PM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Well, I was sort of at the mercy of what my professors
>> wanted to teach.  I remember reading some of the same works
>> over and over and over -- I may have hit an excerpt or
>> something, but not that I remember.
>
>
> I will live a happy life if I never had to read Antigone again. I had to
> read it at least 3 times.
>
> There are other books that fall into this category but at the moment I
> cannot remember their titles.


Gulliver's Travels for me.  Every course it seemed.



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Lynne:
>>The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings,
>>before church and they were held at the junior high school.
> It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
> public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.

I thought Lisa was saying the CCD class
was held in the church's junior high.

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> ... and they are beautiful.  Very, very good job, Mem.
>
>  Kristen your shirt will come directly from mem according to
> the deal that the two of you have worked out.

Oh yes, thank you both!

kristIn :)

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Lynne Weber wrote:

>>The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings,
>>before church and they
>>were held at the junior high school.
>>
>>The most remarkable thing to me was, when I was
>>finally in junior high,
>>nothing had changed. The same stupid posters and
>>announcements were on the
>>teacher's boards.
>>
>>lisa
>>
>
> It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
> public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.
>


That's not illegal.




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Cut interest rates and says "the economy "has yet to exhibit sustainable
growth".

:(

Karen

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> >>lisa
> >>
> >
> > It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
> > public educational facilities for ecumenical
> purposes.
> >
>
>
> That's not illegal.

Doesn't matter.  People seem to want to cry out about
it anyway.



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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>I can't find one.  I just remember you weren't supposed to
>go see it at first because it was apostasy.

Apostasy? Or heresy?

Bethany

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--- human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
wrote:
> Lynne:
> >>The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday
> mornings,
> >>before church and they were held at the junior
> high school.
> > It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
> > public educational facilities for ecumenical
> purposes.
>
> I thought Lisa was saying the CCD class
> was held in the church's junior high.
>
> --
> Richard

I may have misinterpreted.  Perhaps she will clear it
up for us.


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Thought I would post some last minute details.  Remember that you can still
click on the sunrise picture at http://www.words-l.org/ to see details,
maps, and the FAQ.  Most of the information posted there is still accurate.

There are two more XL t-shirts left to purchase.  Anyone want them?

Participation still stands at 14 to 15 adults and four children.  Here's a
list with lodging and lodging phone numbers:

At the Hearthside Inn, 288-4533 (no phones in guest rooms but Innkeeper
will take message):
      --Betty and Larry Clark
      --Lisa and Queen LaTina

At Quality Inn, 288-5403:
      --Natalie
      --The Wild Family

At Edenbrook Motel, 288-4975:
       --Rashmi
       --Adam
       --Two or Three Mystery Guests

At Blackwoods Campground, no phone:
       --Rita and Ana

At Home, 288-1019
       --Bonnie and Clyde


Directions to our house:
When you travel Route 3 onto the island and arrive in the village of Bar
Harbor you come to a stop sign where Route 3 makes a left turn.  Across the
intersection on your right you will see the Quality Inn.  Those traveling
to the Hearthside and to the Campground will pass through this
intersection.  Take note.  Those staying at the Edenbrook will find their
motel a mile or so short of this intersection.

At the above intersection, make a right turn instead of turning left to
stay on Route 3.  You will be going onto Route 233 also known as Eagle Lake
Road. You will climb a hill, crest it, and start down the other side, all
within about a half mile.  Once you are coming down the hill, you will see
a crosswalk painted white on the road.  Make a left turn there.  Only after
you've made the turn will you be able to see the street sign that says
"Forest Street".  Almost immediately bear to your right.  Our house is the
second one on the left.  Green clapboard with white trim and red doors.

There is a "Cat At Play" warning sign on a white picket fence at our
driveway.  If the driveway is full (two cars will fit in it if the first
one pulls all the way up to the garage door), continue on past the house
and you will see the abandoned greenhouse on your left.  Park
there.  Everyone else in the neighborhood does.

Mache Bistro is at 135 Cottage Street.  Reservations are at 6:30 but
Maureen is keeping the tables for us for the entire evening.  Rashmi and
Adam will already know where the place is by Thursday night.  The others
can ask their Innkeeper for directions.

See you soon.


bonnie

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COOL!

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Thought I would post some last minute details.  Remember that you can still
> click on the sunrise picture at http://www.words-l.org/ to see details,
> maps, and the FAQ.  Most of the information posted there is still accurate.
> 
> There are two more XL t-shirts left to purchase.  Anyone want them?
> 
> Participation still stands at 14 to 15 adults and four children.  Here's a
> list with lodging and lodging phone numbers:
> 
> At the Hearthside Inn, 288-4533 (no phones in guest rooms but Innkeeper
> will take message):
>       --Betty and Larry Clark
>       --Lisa and Queen LaTina
> 
> At Quality Inn, 288-5403:
>       --Natalie
>       --The Wild Family
> 
> At Edenbrook Motel, 288-4975:
>        --Rashmi
>        --Adam
>        --Two or Three Mystery Guests
> 
> At Blackwoods Campground, no phone:
>        --Rita and Ana
> 
> At Home, 288-1019
>        --Bonnie and Clyde
> 
> 
> Directions to our house:
> When you travel Route 3 onto the island and arrive in the village of Bar
> Harbor you come to a stop sign where Route 3 makes a left turn.  Across the
> intersection on your right you will see the Quality Inn.  Those traveling
> to the Hearthside and to the Campground will pass through this
> intersection.  Take note.  Those staying at the Edenbrook will find their
> motel a mile or so short of this intersection.
> 
> At the above intersection, make a right turn instead of turning left to
> stay on Route 3.  You will be going onto Route 233 also known as Eagle Lake
> Road. You will climb a hill, crest it, and start down the other side, all
> within about a half mile.  Once you are coming down the hill, you will see
> a crosswalk painted white on the road.  Make a left turn there.  Only after
> you've made the turn will you be able to see the street sign that says
> "Forest Street".  Almost immediately bear to your right.  Our house is the
> second one on the left.  Green clapboard with white trim and red doors.
> 
> There is a "Cat At Play" warning sign on a white picket fence at our
> driveway.  If the driveway is full (two cars will fit in it if the first
> one pulls all the way up to the garage door), continue on past the house
> and you will see the abandoned greenhouse on your left.  Park
> there.  Everyone else in the neighborhood does.
> 
> Mache Bistro is at 135 Cottage Street.  Reservations are at 6:30 but
> Maureen is keeping the tables for us for the entire evening.  Rashmi and
> Adam will already know where the place is by Thursday night.  The others
> can ask their Innkeeper for directions.
> 
> See you soon.
> 
> 
> bonnie

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02003-06-25 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> At 09:32 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Congratulations, Espen! I'm sure you'll have pictures for us shortly
> >thereafter.
> >
> >Marie
> >   Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy  -- I LOVE that!
>
> Oh Christ Marie, don't start getting all cutesy on us!

Yeah, piss off, ice queen ...

Unless there is something you want to tell us

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 9:10:50 AM, 14lodge@OPTONLINE.NET writes:

>And I remember on the very first day I ever attended, we were told that
>we had to bring our <materials> each week to class, and I thought, "Cool!
>Sewing!"
>
>Marie
>
That made my day!;-) But then, I'm not hard to please... Theo

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> 02003-06-25 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > At 09:32 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Congratulations, Espen! I'm sure you'll have pictures for us
> shortly> >thereafter.
> > >
> > >Marie
> > >   Zorkasian of the Dikkidumdiddle galaxy  -- I LOVE that!
> >
> > Oh Christ Marie, don't start getting all cutesy on us!
>
> Yeah, piss off, ice queen ...
>
> Unless there is something you want to tell us

I LOVE IT when you call me ICE QUEEN!

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As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
his heartfelt thanks.

I've been a registered Dem all my voting life, of course.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
> I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
> his heartfelt thanks.

Make a dartboard out of it!

Karen

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
>I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
>his heartfelt thanks.
>
>I've been a registered Dem all my voting life, of course.

Me too - on all counts!

Bethany

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"Picture of the Leader"? Even in India they would shy from that.

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:43:03 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

>It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
>> public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.
>>
>
>
>That's not illegal.
---------
It IS in the Netherlands when I attended. Theo

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In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:57:29 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

>Bonniemaev wrote:
>
>> ... and they are beautiful.  Very, very good job, Mem.
>
And what about MY shirt?
Theodora Groothof,
1785 E Oakcrest Dr.
Meridian, Idaho
83642-5730
Thank you very kindly. Theo

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
>>I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
>>his heartfelt thanks.
>>
>>I've been a registered Dem all my voting life, of course.
>>
>
> Me too - on all counts!


I observed that they're using the same mangled version of my
name that the humane society uses -- I'm *fervently* hoping
that Natalie gets the same mailing.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> P.S. Please let me know if you plan to attend so we can have an
> idea of how many people to expect. Thanks!

I plan to attend.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>    My, my, my, a world I never knew existed.  Anyhoo, among the
>beautiful pricey tubs listed for sale would occassionally appear one
>with the legend "Not for sale to U. S. citizens."  Or, not for lease,
>even, and one that couldn't even be *sailed* into US waters.
>    Okay, what's up with that?  All I can think of is something to do
>with the DEA.  Even WAGs are welcome at this point.  I haven't a clue.
>
>JMW

Google is your friend:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22not+for+sale+in+u.s.+waters%22

and click on "View Thread" for the first link.  (Yes, I could tinyurl the
end result.  No, I'm not going to go to the trouble.)

As you might expect with Usenet, there are many WAGs, many assertions, and
nothing that seems to resound with the ring of provable truth.

Regardless of what the reality may be, there seems to be a perception by
many that in some cases it may be illegal to bring a foreign-registered
boat into the country for the purpose of selling it, and indeed that it may
even be illegal to advertise a foreign-registered boat for sale in the US.

Others bring up the customs issue, but surely if one wanted to buy a boat,
and if import duties were the only issue, a buyer who wanted the boat and
was willing to pay the duties could legally do so, and there'd be no legal
reason (even if there were financial ones) for a seller to restrict his
target clientele.

Ken Miller
Kaminski School of Memeological Resonance

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Bookrat writes,

>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22not+for+sale+in+u.s.+waters%22

Good one, Boo.  I'd given up before I thought of USENET.

But, since your post suggested there might be an actual answer, I went back
and poked around on the web until I found a pretty good WAG.  Turns out
that the Jones Act (Merchant Marine Act of 1920) specifies that vessels in
(or capable of, seems like) US coastwise trade must be US-built,
US-flagged, and US-crewed.

It does seem possible to import and/or get waivers for foreign-built
vessels, though, so I'm not sure exactly what's up with the disclaimers.

Other key phrases: cabotage, admirality law.  And "Jones Act" alone also
gets a lot of hits on other parts of the act relating to martime
employment, so you need other phrases with it.

References:
http://www.mctf.com/jonesact.htm
http://www.irbs.com/lists/trawlerworld/0107/0203.html

Representative Google search path:
1. foreign-registered-boat sale
2. flag u.s.-waters boat sell
3. advertise import foreign-flag boat sale
4. importing-boats united-states advertising
5. boats sale import united-states
6. foreign-built coastwise-trade
7. jones-act foreign-built
8. jones-act foreign-built pleasure-vessel

Searches 5 and 6 are where I figured it out.

Pete

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11:28 25.06.2003 -0400 skrev Marie Ascher:
>> Take a rain coat, Marie!
>
>What time of year were you there, Espen?

October and November.

Espen

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16:21 25.06.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>Rita:
>
>>I have a travel book fetish, so maybe I'll buy these two and
>> see what I think of him.
>
>My travel book fetish led me to purchase -Yoga for those who
>can't be bothered to do it- and -Cathedrals of the Flesh-. They're
>a little boboish but fun reads. I get bombarded with travel book
>recommendations when I surf Amazon.

Have you read anything by William Dalrymple? For my interests "From the Holy Mountain" is the one I have found best but Ingjerd finds his books from India and pakistan very good. His first book, Xanadu, is lots of fun.

Espen

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13:09 25.06.2003 -0500 skrev human powered vehicle:
>BrP:
>> Wasn't the objection mostly about how Jesus'
>> relationship with Mary Magdalene was portrayed?
>
>Some of it, yeah, but are you thinking of "Last Temptation"?

Christ's last temptation by Kazantzakis? I have it in Greek but haven't started on it yet. I should probably read that on Crete and visit Kazantzakis' grave in the city walls of Heraklion.

Espen

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I've received several mailings from the RNC as well (also a life-long Dem).  The most recent one warned me that my "membership" in the Republican Party was in jeopardy if I did not send a contribution right away.  I didn't get the 8 x 10 though.  Too bad.  I could have found some <interesting> uses for it.
 
BrP
 
 
 
 


>>> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET 06/25/03 07:41PM >>>
Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
>>I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
>>his heartfelt thanks.
>>
>>I've been a registered Dem all my voting life, of course.
>>
>
> Me too - on all counts!


I observed that they're using the same mangled version of my
name that the humane society uses -- I'm *fervently* hoping
that Natalie gets the same mailing.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org 
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>

    Wee-eard.  Here I am registered - with "papers" - and all I've ever gotten are pleas for money.  Which go straight into the trash^h^h^h^h^h recycling bin, of course.  (Why should they be any different?)

JMW

>
> > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
> >>I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
> >>his heartfelt thanks.

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    Oooh, good ones, guys!  Thanks!

JMW, highly unlikely yacht purchaser

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Today is my last day for working this contract, and the mgr came to me
with one of the people in the group and they made me a balloon hat!!! I'm
going to wear it on the plane tomorrow.

She kept insisting that it be fancier and fancier--in the end, she agreed
that it was the appropriate level of festivity. This gig has been such a
good experience for me in so many ways!

Karen

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espen:
> Christ's last temptation by Kazantzakis?

That's the one (the title here is "The Last
Temptation of Christ").  They made a movie
of it in the late 1980s that raised quite
the ruckus.

Of course, the book raised a ruckus when it
was published, too.

> I have it in Greek but haven't started on it yet.

It's dern good in English.

>on Crete and visit Kazantzakis' grave in the city walls of Heraklion.

"I hope for nothing.
 I fear nothing.
 I am free."

--
Richard, Nikos fan

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:42:45 +0300
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Espen Ore wrote:

> Aurora Irene Ore was born late at night on June 22. We'll go and visit her and her mother at the end of next week.

Aurora Irene! -- Oh! Best wishes also from me to her and congratulations to the whole family.

Kristin

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I don't know whose these guys are, maybe they were tourists and I'm sure
they're not lawyers - - overheard in my coffee line:

YOUNG GUY, AT COUNTER, LOOKING BACK AT TWO OLDER GUYS:  What do they call
your thing in this place?

OLD GUY, LOOKING AT MIDDLE-AGED GUY AND LAUGHING:  Same as outside of
here.

ALL THREE GUYS:  laughter

OLD GUY:  I'll just have a large coffee.

If this were Detroit, I'd say this was a 3-generational set of Arab
Americans.  I wish they'd visit my coffee line again, that's the first
joke I've heard in the 4 years I've matronized that place.  But I knew
enough not to laugh with them, although I wanted to.

Ann

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> I don't know whose these guys are, maybe they were tourists and I'm sure
> they're not lawyers - - overheard in my coffee line:
>
> YOUNG GUY, AT COUNTER, LOOKING BACK AT TWO OLDER GUYS:  What do they
> call your thing in this place?
>
> OLD GUY, LOOKING AT MIDDLE-AGED GUY AND LAUGHING:  Same as outside of
> here.
>
> ALL THREE GUYS:  laughter
>
> OLD GUY:  I'll just have a large coffee.
>
> If this were Detroit, I'd say this was a 3-generational set of Arab
> Americans.  I wish they'd visit my coffee line again, that's the first
> joke I've heard in the 4 years I've matronized that place.  But I knew
> enough not to laugh with them, although I wanted to.

I don't get it.

Karen

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At 06:58 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:57:29 PM, Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:
>
> >Bonniemaev wrote:
> >
> >> ... and they are beautiful.  Very, very good job, Mem.
> >
>And what about MY shirt?
>Theodora Groothof,
>1785 E Oakcrest Dr.
>Meridian, Idaho
>83642-5730
>Thank you very kindly. Theo


Did you order one, Theo?  Show her the money!!

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At 04:12 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:

>At Edenbrook Motel, 288-4975:
>       --Rashmi
>       --Adam
>       --Two or Three Mystery Guests

Oh, goody!  Brad is coming!!!!

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't get it.

Pretend you're in junior high school and you're in a line at the water
fountain with 3 smartass pimply boys.

Ann

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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> I don't get it.
>
> Pretend you're in junior high school and you're in a line at the water
> fountain with 3 smartass pimply boys.

No, thank you.

You need a balloon hat like mine.:)

Karen

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Never never never never would you get me to live in or even enter
Roppongihills:

http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html

Ann

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> Never never never never would you get me to live in or even enter
> Roppongihills:
>
> http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html

I don't trust anyone who puts quotation marks around open mind.

Karen

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even the logo scares me
 
BrP
 
 


>>> aborkin@RAHUL.NET 06/26/03 11:33AM >>>
Never never never never would you get me to live in or even enter
Roppongihills:

http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html 

Ann

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At 12:11 PM 6/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings,
> > before church and they
> > were held at the junior high school.
> >
> > The most remarkable thing to me was, when I was
> > finally in junior high,
> > nothing had changed. The same stupid posters and
> > announcements were on the
> > teacher's boards.
> >
> > lisa
>
>It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
>public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.

I never thought about that. Maybe the churches paid to use the school.

Now that I think about it, while my Church was being built, they held
services in the cafeteria of another local school.

That's a small town for you.

lisa

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Folks,

My brother in-law just told Heide and I that his attbi.com address is
changing to comcast.net. I know it affects some words-l members. A Philly
company is sucking you in.


alec

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At 12:24 PM 6/26/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>Folks,
>
>My brother in-law just told Heide and I that his attbi.com address is
>changing to comcast.net. I know it affects some words-l members. A Philly
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They are supposed to forward for a year, I think.  Effective June 30.

Heide and  "me".

Karen

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    There's just GOT to be a way to pin this on Ashcroft, I know it!

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030707&c=1&s=engle

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At 03:30 PM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Cut interest rates and says "the economy "has yet to exhibit sustainable
>growth".
>
>:(
>
>Karen

We are in a secular bear market. My prediction is we don't see signs of
sustainable growth until next year. In two years we'll do a little better.
By 2006 we'll have forgotten all about 2000-2003.

Now I wish the Fed would stop cutting the rates. It didn't work for Japan
and I don't think it's going to work for us.

lisa

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At 02:52 PM 6/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Lynne:
> >>The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings,
> >>before church and they were held at the junior high school.
> > It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
> > public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.
>
>I thought Lisa was saying the CCD class
>was held in the church's junior high.

That's because Lisa is a terrible writer.

The classes were help in the public junior high on Saturday's for one
church and Sunday's for the parish I belonged to.

lisa

>--
>Richard

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> Never never never never would you get me to live in or even enter
> Roppongihills:
>
> http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html
>
> Ann

Why?

Is it because they wouldn't let you
into the Virgin Cinema?

             - D. M.

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At 09:43 AM 6/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Today is my last day for working this contract, and the mgr came to me
>with one of the people in the group and they made me a balloon hat!!! I'm
>going to wear it on the plane tomorrow.
>
>She kept insisting that it be fancier and fancier--in the end, she agreed
>that it was the appropriate level of festivity. This gig has been such a
>good experience for me in so many ways!
>
>Karen

Was this the contract that was supposed to go into July?

I'm glad you had such a nice experience.
lisa

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At 08:14 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 04:12 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>
>>At Edenbrook Motel, 288-4975:
>>       --Rashmi
>>       --Adam
>>       --Two or Three Mystery Guests
>
>Oh, goody!  Brad is coming!!!!

No Emily and David (I *think* that's her guy's name)? I thought they were
coming.

Hmm.. who could it be.. Tushar maybe?

lisa

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--- Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> wrote:
> Never never never never would you get me to live in
> or even enter
> Roppongihills:
>
>
http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html
>
> Ann

Those statess that do have death penalties are
considering this alternative.


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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 08:14 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> At 04:12 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
>>
>>> At Edenbrook Motel, 288-4975:
>>>       --Rashmi
>>>       --Adam
>>>       --Two or Three Mystery Guests
>>
>>
>> Oh, goody!  Brad is coming!!!!
>
>
> No Emily and David (I *think* that's her guy's name)? I thought they were
> coming.
>
> Hmm.. who could it be.. Tushar maybe?


        If it's Tushar, I gotta pack something sexier.

        If it gets cool, I may need to buy pants for Ana while I'm up
there.  I haven't replaced everything she outgrew/wore out
over the winter.  We had extreme heat warnings the past
couple days.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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lisa alfieri:
= At 08:14 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:
= >At 04:12 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, Bonniemaev wrote:
= >
= >>At Edenbrook Motel, 288-4975:
= >>      --Rashmi
= >>      --Adam
= >>      --Two or Three Mystery Guests
= >
= >Oh, goody!  Brad is coming!!!!
=
= No Emily and David (I *think* that's her guy's name)? I thought they were
= coming.
=
= Hmm.. who could it be.. Tushar maybe?
=
= lisa

Naw, there's nothing mysterious about Tushar.

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At 01:16 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>        If it's Tushar, I gotta pack something sexier.

Flannel will do.


>        If it gets cool, I may need to buy pants for Ana while I'm up
>there.  I haven't replaced everything she outgrew/wore out
>over the winter.  We had extreme heat warnings the past
>couple days.

I think it's gonna be a bit nippy at night. She might need a pair of pants
or warm ups.

lisa

>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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What keywords would help draw people to this site:
http://www.edwardsly.com/amculture.html ?
This is  a set of images of American cultures that I developed for my
humanities class: Diversity in the American Experience.  I know how my
students will find it (I'll give them the URL), but what words would
help others stumble across the collection?

Yes, the pages are image laden and loading is slow... but someone who
wants the images is likely to wait a bit.

TIA
--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Never never never never would you get me to live in or even enter
> Roppongihills:
>
> http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html

Let us not be hasty ... they are going to hang European architectural
features on the buildings soon.

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02003-06-26 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> Now I wish the Fed would stop cutting the rates.

Me too .. but only because somebody told me this was a "great
time to refi" the 800th time ...

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02003-06-26 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> If it's Tushar, I gotta pack something sexier.

No need ... All I ask for is, please, WEAR PANTS.

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At 01:16 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
       If it gets cool, I may need to buy pants for Ana while I'm up
>there.  I haven't replaced everything she outgrew/wore out
>over the winter.  We had extreme heat warnings the past
>couple days.

As it gets a bit closer, we'll post some forecasts.  Right now, it's 84F at
the airport, perhaps a degree or so cooler near the water.  Temperatures
are supposed to moderate some (mid 70s) through next Wednesday.

cwv

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

> Why?

I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for one
thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
centers."

Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
"Roppongihills."

Ann

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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> 02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Never never never never would you get me to live
> in or even enter
> > Roppongihills:
> >
> >
>
http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html
>
> Let us not be hasty ... they are going to hang
> European architectural
> features on the buildings soon.

All the more reason...

But still and all, not as devastating as mildew.


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roots.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> What keywords would help draw people to this site:
> http://www.edwardsly.com/amculture.html ?
> This is  a set of images of American cultures that I developed for my
> humanities class: Diversity in the American Experience.  I know how my
> students will find it (I'll give them the URL), but what words would
> help others stumble across the collection?
>
> Yes, the pages are image laden and loading is slow... but someone who
> wants the images is likely to wait a bit.
>
> TIA
> --
> Sylvia Edwards
> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/
>

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 01:16 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:
>       If it gets cool, I may need to buy pants for Ana while I'm up
>
>> there.  I haven't replaced everything she outgrew/wore out
>> over the winter.  We had extreme heat warnings the past
>> couple days.
>
>
> As it gets a bit closer, we'll post some forecasts.  Right now, it's 84F at
> the airport, perhaps a degree or so cooler near the water.  Temperatures
> are supposed to moderate some (mid 70s) through next Wednesday.


        I won't see your posts as I'll be setting nomail tonight.
Woo hoo!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 02:01 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I won't see your posts as I'll be setting nomail tonight.
>Woo hoo!

I'm sending you (separately), their best guess through Wednesday.

cwv

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02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
> "Roppongihills."

Ah ... you won't be spelling anything, you will just be
activating the IR port on your wristwatch ...

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At 01:49 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>02003-06-26 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> > Now I wish the Fed would stop cutting the rates.
>
>Me too .. but only because somebody told me this was a "great
>time to refi" the 800th time ...

Oh yeah.. that's another good reason. The mortgage brokers out there are
have been circling like buzzards for too long.

lisa

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>
> I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for
one
> thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
> centers."
>
> Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
> "Roppongihills."
>
> Ann

Makes sense.
It's like making mountains
out of roppongihills.

       - D. M.

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 26 Jun 2003 at 13:32, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> This is  a set of images of American cultures that I developed for my
> humanities class: Diversity in the American Experience.

At a glance, you seem to have missed images relating to the
contributions of Koreans to American society. Is there even one
there anywhere? Maybe there's a dish of kimch'i I overlooked among
the food.


    mem

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>
> Makes sense.
> It's like making mountains
> out of roppongihills.
>
>        - D. M.

I like your whimsy.


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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for one
> thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
> centers."

You say this as if 'hills' were a word in Japanese.

> Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
> "Roppongihills."

?

Karen

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> > I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for one
> > thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
> > centers."
>
> You say this as if 'hills' were a word in Japanese.

They call it Roppongi Hills (not roppongihills as I first spelled it)

> > Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
> > "Roppongihills."
>
> ?
>
"Roppongi" "Hills" , got it?

Ann

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for one
>> > thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
>> > centers."
>>
>> You say this as if 'hills' were a word in Japanese.

> They call it Roppongi Hills (not roppongihills as I first spelled it)

True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point I am
trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words don't mean
what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.

>> > Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
>> > "Roppongihills."
>>
>> ?
>>
> "Roppongi" "Hills" , got it?

I don't get the problem.

Karen

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point I am
> trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words don't mean
> what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
>
Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?

This is getting good.

Ann

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:41:35 -0500
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> We are in a secular bear market. My prediction is we don't see signs of
> sustainable growth until next year. In two years we'll do a little better.
> By 2006 we'll have forgotten all about 2000-2003.

Maybe you will. I won't--unless I have managed to rebuild my
retirement fund by then, which I don't think will happen.

I do think that your version of things is far too rosy.

Karen

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:39:49 -0500
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> Was this the contract that was supposed to go into July?

Yes.

Well, originally it was supposed to last 2 weeks. I just finished Week
6. And then it was supposed to start again after my trip to the
midwest. But yesterday she told me that it probably wouldn't--but that
things could change while I'm gone.

> I'm glad you had such a nice experience.

It was wonderful. I sent the mgr e-mail with my phone number, and she
sent me e-mail back telling me she "fervently hopes" to have me back.
I like that word 'fervent'.

Karen

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02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point I am
> > trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words don't mean
> > what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
> >
> Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
>
> This is getting good.

You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

> Karen:
> >I had those same questions, but decided I was too old and out of it.
>
> Well, I know some people have strong
> feelings about Andrew Lloyd Webber
> and say he should be forbidden, but
> I think that's on artistic merit.
>
> --
> Ol' Deuteronomy
>

Yeah, but - ohgod, I remember "at the time". It was blasphemous; and it
wasn't only the RCs. Even many Methodists were shocked and appalled by
the suggestion that he let Mary Magdalen soothe his brow, and by the
intensity of the "let this cup pass from me" prayer. among other things.
Not tomention that everybody knew that the drumbeats in rock and/or roll
caused young people to become promiscuous.

Ever read "Judas My Brother"?
clo

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point I am
> > > trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words don't mean
> > > what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
> > >
> > Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
> >
> > This is getting good.
>
> You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.

Thank you for your concern.

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From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@ncfcomm.com>
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We have discussed in the past whether or not we
need to keep paying to update subscription to our
anti-virus programs.  Some thought it was not necessary
because you can get system checks and updates of
virus definitions online, and that sounded good to me
so I did not renew my subscription anytime in the past
year since it came due.

I also did not go online and update using their free
services!!

And so, yesterday, when I thought to do so, I found that
I had three infected files in my system.  It was the dastardly
W32 Badtrans etc. etc.   I was able to delete the files and
probably there is no damage.

However, I have called Symantec and renewed.  While it is
possible to keep updated by going online, I find I am not
disciplined enough to trust myself to do that, so I need
to hire a little Symantec helper to do my bidding.

Sadder but wiser.  End of report.

          - D. M.
       (Auntie Virus)

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
>>
>> This is getting good.
>
>You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.

Hmmmm. Where have I heard those last words before?

Bethany

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> On Thursday, June 26, 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:
> > Was this the contract that was supposed to go into July?
>
> Yes.
>
> Well, originally it was supposed to last 2 weeks. I just finished Week
> 6. And then it was supposed to start again after my trip to the
> midwest. But yesterday she told me that it probably wouldn't--but that
> things could change while I'm gone.
>
> > I'm glad you had such a nice experience.
>
> It was wonderful. I sent the mgr e-mail with my phone number, and she
> sent me e-mail back telling me she "fervently hopes" to have me back.
> I like that word 'fervent'.
>
> Karen
>
I fervently hope it too

clo, from Seattle on a borrowed keybord w/ sticky kesy.

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lisa:
>cutting the rates. It didn't work for Japan
>and I don't think it's going to work for us.

The common (I think) wisdom is that
the Japanese didn't do it quickly
enough or aggressively enough, and
that Greenspan was (and is) paying
close attention.

If Karlson weren't playing with the
Big Boys or sailing his Laser, he
could prolly explain what the above
paragraph means.

In related news, I read today that
a Dutch organization made a loan
in Japan at a *negative* interest
rate.

They still made money, they say, by
taking advantage of differences in
currency prices.

Just trying to figure that out gave
me such a headache that I decided to
take their word for it.

In any case, they made the loan, and
their competitors didn't, so they
clearly had a reason.

--
...or maybe they were just drunk

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02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > > True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point I am
> > > > trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words don't mean
> > > > what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
> > > >
> > > Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
> > >
> > > This is getting good.
> >
> > You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.
>
> Thank you for your concern.

You keep using this imported phrase, "thank you". It does not mean
what you think it means. I do apologize for your incompetence.

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> In related news, I read today that
> a Dutch organization made a loan
> in Japan at a *negative* interest
> rate.
>
> They still made money, they say, by
> taking advantage of differences in
> currency prices.

    "Every item below cost!  We lose money on every sale!  How do we
stay in business, you ask?  VOLUME!"

>
> ...or maybe they were just drunk

    More likely stoned.

JMW

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02003-06-26 | "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU> writes:
>
> >> Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
> >>
> >> This is getting good.
> >
> >You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.
>
> Hmmmm. Where have I heard those last words before?

Apologies ... I don't have information on that subject.

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> > The Church I went to had CCD class Sunday mornings,
> > before church and they
> > were held at the junior high school.
> >
> > The most remarkable thing to me was, when I was
> > finally in junior high,
> > nothing had changed. The same stupid posters and
> > announcements were on the
> > teacher's boards.
> >
> > lisa
>
> It's surprising there wasn't an outcry re: using
> public educational facilities for ecumenical purposes.
>
>

We had to go across the street to the Grange Hall for
Religious Instruction on Thursdays, after the school prayer ruling.
clo

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Karen:
>> Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
>> "Roppongihills."
> ?

I gotta do that all the time,
what with the way street names
get pronounced here.

e.g., "Yeah, y'say it charters,
but you spell it like shot(r),
y'know, that funny-looking
cathedral and shit".

--
Richard

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>>> Besides, every time I gave out my address I'd have to spell
>>> "Roppongihills."
>> ?

> I gotta do that all the time,
> what with the way street names
> get pronounced here.

> e.g., "Yeah, y'say it charters,
> but you spell it like shot(r),
> y'know, that funny-looking
> cathedral and shit".

I have to spell Lincolnshire. Which is off Bittern Hollow. Very few
people know what a bittern is.

Karen

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Karen:
> Maybe you will. I won't--unless I have managed to rebuild my
> retirement fund by then, which I don't think will happen.

You need to have more confidence
in the resilience of the US of A,
and in yourself.

Nothing to fear but, etc.

> I do think that your version of things is far too rosy.

Then pour out the half-glassful if you
think that'll make you happier.

--
Richard, been there

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > > > True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point I am
> > > > > trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words don't mean
> > > > > what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
> > > > >
> > > > Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
> > > >
> > > > This is getting good.
> > >
> > > You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.
> >
> > Thank you for your concern.
>
> You keep using this imported phrase, "thank you". It does not mean
> what you think it means. I do apologize for your incompetence.

I regret to inform you that we are raising the bar with regard to
performance in this forum, and that therefore I must ask you to pack up
your personal effects and follow me to the nearest exit.  Thank you for
your anticipated cooperation and have a bless day.

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>>  It was wonderful. I sent the mgr e-mail with my phone number, and she
> > sent me e-mail back telling me she "fervently hopes" to have me back.
> > I like that word 'fervent'.
> >
> > Karen

>I fervently hope it too

Me three.

>clo, from Seattle on a borrowed keybord w/ sticky kesy.

On average how many weekends a quarter do you stay in Syracuse?

-nosy,
wonder if there's something about Syracuse that causes residents to
hit the road every (other?) weekend

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clo:
> the suggestion that he let Mary Magdalen soothe his brow

Oh, man, the Stations of the Cross in
St. Louis Cathedral are works of art
not to be missed.

They're brightly painted ceramic (I think)
objects set in a background of wood.

#6, of course, is Veronica wiping the face.
(And, as your post indicates, to those of a
traditional bent, Veronica and ONLY Veronica
had that privilege, as if dragging a cross
wouldn't need more than one brow-wiping.)

#12 (He dies) and #13 (taken from the
cross) feature a woman you can't identify.

Clever, huh?

Yeah, in #12 it's all "No...  NOOOOOOOOOO!"

And #13 is "What am I gonna do now????????????"

Hoo!  Do those ones set the stage for Easter.

And, of course, every "little Easter" every
Sunday.

Brilliant work.  Just brilliant.

--
Richard





, and by the
> intensity of the "let this cup pass from me" prayer. among other things.
> Not tomention that everybody knew that the drumbeats in rock and/or roll
> caused young people to become promiscuous.
>
> Ever read "Judas My Brother"?
> clo
>

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> Ever read "Judas My Brother"?

No, wazzat?

--
Richard

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02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > > > > True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point
> > > > > > I am trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words
> > > > > > don't mean what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is getting good.
> > > >
> > > > You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your concern.
> >
> > You keep using this imported phrase, "thank you". It does not mean
> > what you think it means. I do apologize for your incompetence.
>
> I regret to inform you that we are raising the bar with regard to
> performance in this forum, and that therefore I must ask you to pack up
> your personal effects and follow me to the nearest exit.  Thank you for
> your anticipated cooperation and have a bless day.

Am I seeing things or is this a more inept piece of flirting
than even Marie (*swoon*)?

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JMW:
>     "Every item below cost!  We lose money on every sale!  How do we
> stay in business, you ask?  VOLUME!"

HEY!  That's a Tom Waits song!

>     More likely stoned.

Idiots.  Tom Waits did it all by abusing
a legal drug.

--
a nine-year-old Hindu boy

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-26 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > > > > > True--but they also call teeny tiny apts mansions. The point
> > > > > > > I am trying to make and not succeeding is that imported words
> > > > > > > don't mean what they mean in the lg they are borrowed from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh.  So "hills" used in Japanese means "tower/s of apartments"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is getting good.
> > > > >
> > > > > You excel at missing the point of posts, Ann.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your concern.
> > >
> > > You keep using this imported phrase, "thank you". It does not mean
> > > what you think it means. I do apologize for your incompetence.
> >
> > I regret to inform you that we are raising the bar with regard to
> > performance in this forum, and that therefore I must ask you to pack up
> > your personal effects and follow me to the nearest exit.  Thank you for
> > your anticipated cooperation and have a bless day.
>
> Am I seeing things or is this a more inept piece of flirting
> than even Marie (*swoon*)?

You excel at getting the point of posts, Tushar.

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> You excel at getting the point of posts, Tushar.

*yawn*

Can we move on?

These cascade parties are so, like,
1990s Usenet.

--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>>  It was wonderful. I sent the mgr e-mail with my phone number, and she
>> > sent me e-mail back telling me she "fervently hopes" to have me back.
>> > I like that word 'fervent'.
>> >
>> > Karen

>>I fervently hope it too

> Me three.

Thank you.

This was a good gig--it reminded me how good I am at what I like to
get paid to do.

Karen

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>> Maybe you will. I won't--unless I have managed to rebuild my
>> retirement fund by then, which I don't think will happen.

> You need to have more confidence
> in the resilience of the US of A,
> and in yourself.

Probably.

> Nothing to fear but, etc.

I passed fear at my second anniversary of unemployment.

>> I do think that your version of things is far too rosy.

> Then pour out the half-glassful if you
> think that'll make you happier.

> --
> Richard, been there

Been where, perzackly?

Karen

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Karen:
> Been where, perzackly?

Without a job and wondering if I could
ever get one.

Now I have three, I hang on to 'em with
the tenacity of my proverbial wood tick,
and always looking for a fourth.

--
make hay while the sun shines
the wolf is always at the door
and all that shit that this child of Depression kids got

"no, the problem is that I like it"
       - T.E. Lawrence, in another context

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So long Words-L. I'm going nomail now.

My guesses for Acadiafest are Emily and Dave. And for the third slot...? Dunno. Jeff Rankine.

Ya'll have a good time.

Adios!

Marie

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At 06:06 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>I have to spell Lincolnshire. Which is off Bittern Hollow. Very few
>people know what a bittern is.

Or care.

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> I have to spell Lincolnshire. Which is off Bittern
> Hollow. Very few
> people know what a bittern is.
>
> Karen

It's my impression that they are birds and they boom,
evidently in hollows.



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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> Karen:
>> Been where, perzackly?

> Without a job and wondering if I could
> ever get one.

Being without a job didn't bother me. Being without a job for two
years has really bothered me. One of my friends is coming up on her
3rd year of unemployment.

Karen

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Betty wrote:
> At 06:06 PM 6/26/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:

>>I have to spell Lincolnshire. Which is off Bittern Hollow. Very few
>>people know what a bittern is.

> Or care.

You must not know.:)

Karen

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> Never never never never would you get me to live in or even enter
> Roppongihills:
>
> http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html
>
> Ann

I'd love to try it for a year; more if I liked it.

--Adam

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Till I get back on the 9th.

I hope the festers have a good time (and nothing festers...).

Karen

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Karen, who's feeding your cat?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> On 26 Jun 2003 at 13:32, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> > This is  a set of images of American cultures that I developed for my
> > humanities class: Diversity in the American Experience.
>
> At a glance, you seem to have missed images relating to the
> contributions of Koreans to American society. Is there even one
> there anywhere? Maybe there's a dish of kimch'i I overlooked among
> the food.

You're right.  I also have nothing on Indians (from India).  The Asian
section reflects the cultures in our textbook.. the Chinese and
Japanese.  The Chicano section is mostly Mexican with almost no
representation of Cuba or South America.

Did you have a particular Korean contribution in mind? 8)

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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I'll see you all in three weeks.  If you are simply
*desperate* to communicate with me, use my hotmail account
as I won't be checking this one -- rrouvalis@hotmail.com.
It would be good to tell me if, like, the 'fest got
cancelled or something, but not strictly necessary.

Thanks for the weather report, Clyde.  I'll have to let WHDH
take it from here on out.

Behave yourselves.  Kinda.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Karen, who's feeding your cat?

The daughter of my neighbor.

Karen

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On 26 Jun 2003 at 21:11, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> Did you have a particular Korean contribution in mind? 8)

It's not hard to come up with images paralleling the Japanese and
Chinese pictures you have of such things as performers playing
drums and other traditional instruments, dancers, people in
traditional dress, and the like.

All of these pictures are, of course, more illustrative of the home-
country cultures than they are of the daily lives of
Japanese/Chinese/Korea/Vietnamese/Filipino/You-Name-It Americans.

It's too bad--but not surprising--that your textbook isn't more
encompassing. This year happens to be the one hundredth anniversary
of the beginning of large-scale Korean immigration to the United
States so there's lots of material around.


    mem

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > http://www.roppongihills.com/en/information/index.html
>
> I'd love to try it for a year; more if I liked it.

OK - now the deep structure of my balk:  would you have no fear of
sabotage, sarin attacks maybe or maybe some sort of horrible fire where
you'd rather jump from the 51st floor than face the other death?

Ann

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In a message dated 6/26/2003 9:28:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>Karen, who's feeding your cat?

The daughter of my neighbor.

>>

Oh, good!

One time when we came back from vacation, Tarot was so miffed that
we had gone that he threw up in a suitcase to keep us from leaving
again.

We'd never be able to leave Sweetie for that long.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> and I
> noticed a large number of itty bitty bees burrowing into and
> out of the mulch.  I'm very pleased that my hydrangeas
> decided to bloom this year, and have done so spectacularly.
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I noticed today our resident burrowing bees have yellow back legs.  They do
not appear to have a stinger.

All tips from successful hydrangea growers solicited.  I have a red one
that dies back in the fall and only comes up about 4 inches with a couple
of leaves.  We have naturally acidic soil.  I know acidity affects the
blue/white color, but don't know about red.  I'd love to see a bush with
blooms.

Terry

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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> In a message dated 6/26/2003 9:28:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> <<
> On Thursday, June 26, 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>Karen, who's feeding your cat?

> The daughter of my neighbor.

>>>

> Oh, good!

> One time when we came back from vacation, Tarot was so miffed that
> we had gone that he threw up in a suitcase to keep us from leaving
> again.

> We'd never be able to leave Sweetie for that long.

Burl's an outdoor cat; she spends most of her time outside anyway. I'm
not worried about her surviving. But I think she'll be glad to see me
when I come home.

Karen

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Strom Thurmond.


          - D. M.

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Former Sen. Strom Thurmond is dead, his son, Strom Thurmond Jr. says.


Evelyn Duncan
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02003-06-26 | human powered vehicle <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU> writes:
> > You excel at getting the point of posts, Tushar.
>
> *yawn*
>
> Can we move on?

No.

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At 07:48 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
>I'm over the moon for Midori....melon flavored margaritas....yum!!!
>
>Sandra

Welcome back.  Did you buy yours by the yard, too?

Betty

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:


> It's too bad--but not surprising--that your textbook isn't more
> encompassing. This year happens to be the one hundredth anniversary
> of the beginning of large-scale Korean immigration to the United
> States so there's lots of material around.

Thanks, I'll go searching for more.

The course is centered on the immigrants to Kansas City.  I'm not sure
when the Koreans arrived in this area.  I'll have to do some research
there too.

The textbook is NOT linked to Kansas City. I've had to do that research.
 The results of my students' search for the Kansas City connections are
at  http://www.geocities.com/sedwards64063 and
http://www.geocities.com/longviewcollege

One of my students discovered that the original Italian neighborhoods in
Kansas City have become Thai neighborhoods. In March she went to visit
an Italian restaurant that she had been to in the past year and
discovered that it had become a Thai restaurant.

I wonder if Kansas City has Korean restaurants...  I'll also have to
check to see if my section on the biographies of famous Asian Americans
includes Koreans.

Thanks again for your help and interest.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Hard not to have fun in the land of gigantic, frosty, fruity drinks. I've
had my fill, however.

My mom's not as adept at the slots as she once was. The machines have
changed ... many no longer allow you to pull the trigger as it were. Buttons
are faster...hence, more money to the Casino Gods. Many issue tickets in
lieu of cash change. It was very difficult for her to manoeuver....but she
enjoys it so. So, one of us would shove money into the machine and leave her
there...checking in on her to see when she was ready to leave. 72 hours in
Vegas is more than enough. My nieces enjoyed the arcades (little gamblers in
the making). The weather was kind. Today it's hot, but just as hot in SF,
surprisingly (97 degrees in the city!).

I did love walking the strip. Very lighty...like Broadway. And I love
walking at night, so it was perfect for me.

I'm over the moon for Midori....melon flavored margaritas....yum!!!

Sandra

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02003-06-26 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> encompassing. This year happens to be the one hundredth anniversary
> of the beginning of large-scale Korean immigration to the United
> States so there's lots of material around.

Din't realize that ... nothing going on here that I have heard of,
but I'll take a look at the "known venues".

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On 26 Jun 2003 at 21:47, Tushar Samant wrote:

> Din't realize that ... nothing going on here that I have heard of,
> but I'll take a look at the "known venues".

The major observances have been taking place here and in Los
Angeles and Washington. There are a few links off
http://www.koreancentennial.org.

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On 26 Jun 2003 at 21:45, Doris Markland wrote:

> Strom Thurmond.
>

So Fritz Hollings finally gets to be the senior senator--at age 82
or so.

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On 26 Jun 2003 at 17:14, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> So Fritz Hollings finally gets to be the senior senator--at age 82
> or so.

Oops. Strom had already retired from the Senate, hadn't he? Forgot
all about that.

    mem

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On 26 Jun 2003 at 21:53, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> The course is centered on the immigrants to Kansas City.  I'm not sure
> when the Koreans arrived in this area.  I'll have to do some research
> there too.

If the focus is on Kansas City, I suspect you won't find much to
work with. There weren't many Koreans in most areas of the country
until after the 1965 changes in the immigration laws. There were a
few in Nebraska fairly early, that is, before 1920, you might be
interested in knowing. One of the best-known leaders of the
overseas independence movement went to school at Hastings.

I don't know this, but Kansas City might have attracted some
Koreans after 1945 (and moreso 1950) by virtue of its proximity to
Ft. Leavenworth and Ft. Riley, that is, as spouses of service
members. It could be an assignment for an interested party to check
out.


> One of my students discovered that the original Italian neighborhoods
> in Kansas City have become Thai neighborhoods. In March she went to
> visit an Italian restaurant that she had been to in the past year and
> discovered that it had become a Thai restaurant.

Local history is endlessly fascinating.



> I wonder if Kansas City has Korean restaurants...

I'd be shocked if it didn't. How about these?

Beijing Kitchen
  Serving everything Asian.
  20 E. Fifth
  Kansas City, MO  Restaurant
Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese

Beijing Restaurant
  Fast and good.
  10326 Metcalf Avenue
  Overland Park, KS  Restaurant
Chinese, Korean

Choga Korea   Pick
  Good Korean food on a budget.
  6920 W 105th Street
  Overland Park, KS  Restaurant
Korean

Max's Noodles and More
  Oodles of 'em with strong iced tea.
  1728 Main St.
  Kansas City, MO  Restaurant
Asian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Noodles, Vietnamese

Sun's 39th Street Korean-Chinese Restaurant and Buffet   Pick
  Fresh and delicious Asian buffet.
  1715 W. 39th St.
  Kansas City, MO  Restaurant
Buffet, Chinese, Korean

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Ann Borkin writes,

>OK - now the deep structure of my balk:  would you have no fear of
>sabotage, sarin attacks maybe or maybe some sort of horrible fire where
>you'd rather jump from the 51st floor than face the other death?

And what floor are your offices on, Ms. Borkin?

I'm with Adam.  I'd love it.  (Although I must say I was quite taken by
Shinjuku when I got to stay there a couple days last year.)

Regarding "Hills," it is perhaps the case that the development is on a
hill.  To wit:

<http://www.weekender.co.jp/new/021206/quis_custodiet-021206.html>

>The bankers I listen to on the subject -- a lot of new office space opens
>up next year in Tokyo -- are of the opinion that the likely winner is Mori
>Building. "It's got that site up on the hill, that makes it exciting,"
>said one friend from the UK, visiting from London last month. He referred
>to Roppongi Hills, and the new development that Mori will open there in
>the spring.

Further down on the same page:

>So let's wait and see what happens at Roppongi Hills -- easily the biggest
>urban development project in the history of Tokyo -- when it all opens up
>in the spring, with a Hyatt Hotel, with the Asahi TV broadcasting center
>and with the Mori Art Museum opening up on the top floors of the main
>building, up above the 50th story. I think it's going to be spectacular,
>in terms of impressing the tenants, bringing them in and sending a message
>to the world that Tokyo is going international.
>
>My guess is that Mr. Mori will break out the bubbly, when the moment comes
>to unveil his Roppongi Hills. When will that be, by the way? Ah, sometime
>in April 2003 or thereabouts. At that point, the host will throw a party.
>There will be a Jeroboam or two, I would imagine.
>
>I would like to toast the guy who built the "Rocky Center" of Tokyo.
>Roppongi Hills should be as much a focus of energy in Tokyo as Rockefeller
>Center in New York in the 1930s.

::sigh::

Good thing I've got a going concern here, or I'd be emailing my friend who
works in Roppongi to see if they have any openings...

Pete

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of Norway, so I will be off-mail until Tuesday.

Espen

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-nosy,
wonder if there's something about Syracuse that causes residents to
hit the road every (other?) weekend

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I'm going nomail as well.  My daughter is flying in from Portland (she's already in NYC!) and it will be so wonderful to spend time with her. She is happy in Oregon but it is so far away. *sigh*  
 
Is anyone left to mind the store and receive greetings from the Accadiafesters?
 
I hope y'all have a great time.
 
 


>>> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM 06/26/03 09:46PM >>>
Till I get back on the 9th.

I hope the festers have a good time (and nothing festers...).

Karen

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I'm going nomail as well.  My daughter is flying in from Portland (she's
already in NYC!) and it will be so wonderful to spend time with her. She
is happy in Oregon but it is so far away. *sigh*

Is anyone left to mind the store and receive greetings from the
Accadiafesters?

I hope y'all have a great time.

 - Paul


I will be here minding the store.
After a fashion.
The pilot's coming this weekend, flying up (commercial)
with his little boy to spend a week with us.  Then he's
going back . . presumably to the Middle East, although
he won't say.

                    - D. M.

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= Is anyone left to mind the store and receive greetings from the Accadiafesters?

What am I, chopped liver?

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steph:
= = Is anyone left to mind the store and receive greetings from the Accadiafesters?
=
= What am I, chopped liver?

actually, I should just go no mail, just so I'm not constantly
checking the list to see if anyone said anything interesting.

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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:03 AM
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>
>= Is anyone left to mind the store and receive greetings from
>the Accadiafesters?
>
>What am I, chopped liver?
>

I will be around and posting. The computer is unpacked and setup. Priorities
were cable, computer and a bed to sleep. We are finding the kitchen, and a
few other rooms. Empty boxes are so light!



alec

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At 09:16 AM 6/27/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>I will be around and posting. The computer is unpacked and setup. Priorities
>were cable, computer and a bed to sleep. We are finding the kitchen, and a
>few other rooms. Empty boxes are so light!

Yes--until you have to stack them and haul them away...

cwv

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>-----Original Message-----
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>At 09:16 AM 6/27/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>I will be around and posting. The computer is unpacked and
>setup. Priorities
>>were cable, computer and a bed to sleep. We are finding the
>kitchen, and a
>>few other rooms. Empty boxes are so light!
>
>Yes--until you have to stack them and haul them away...
>
>cwv
>

Nah, boxes are being sold cheap to a friend who will be moving soon.

alec

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At 09:49 AM 6/27/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>Nah, boxes are being sold cheap to a friend who will be moving soon.

good move.

cwv

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steph wrote:

> steph:
> = = Is anyone left to mind the store and receive greetings from the Accadiafesters?
> =
> = What am I, chopped liver?
>
> actually, I should just go no mail, just so I'm not constantly
> checking the list to see if anyone said anything interesting.

Same here. I am having a two weeks' vacation and the less I come to the office the
better and wiser, even though I do not think of job matters. But still I drop in now
and then to see whether you can behave. And at least because of the greetings expected
I do not want to go nomail.

Kristin

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Bonnie and Clyde might have already mentioned this as another possible
activity, but in case they haven't:  There's a big Native American
festival at College of the Atlantic on the 5th.  Ginny Blaney told me
about it in e-mail.  She's going to come into town for it, and I'm
probably going to it with her and then maybe back to the island with
her, getting a boatride back to BH in time for the Forest Street Event.
Or I may skip the part about going to the island, depending on how the
timing etc. is.  Anyway, I thought some of y'all might be interested in
the festival.

--
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> >>  It was wonderful. I sent the mgr e-mail with my phone number, and she
> > > sent me e-mail back telling me she "fervently hopes" to have me back.
> > > I like that word 'fervent'.
> > >
> > > Karen
>
> >I fervently hope it too
>
> Me three.
>
> >clo, from Seattle on a borrowed keybord w/ sticky kesy.
>
> On average how many weekends a quarter do you stay in Syracuse?
>
> -nosy,
> wonder if there's something about Syracuse that causes residents to
> hit the road every (other?) weekend
>


It's not usual for me; but if it's true for others, it's probably that the
ave pay means if takes 2 wks work to earn the cost of one weekend.

I have 20days vacation /yr; last yr I was given a rare "holdover", giving
me 36; but I still had 20 unused by the end of classes. Hence, you see me
taking long-delayed road trips.

Additionally I have a secret life as VP of a nat'l charity for deaf kids,
so am on the road teaching, being board in meetings, etc.

clo

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> At 07:48 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> >I'm over the moon for Midori....melon flavored margaritas....yum!!!
> >
> >Sandra
>
> Welcome back.  Did you buy yours by the yard, too?
>
> Betty

I shared one (mango) with my brother & my dad. Got it at the Luxor. It was
waaaaay too sweet. I can barely finish a beer. I can't do Chernobyl-sized
drinks.

Sandra

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> > At 07:48 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, S Hess wrote:
> > >I'm over the moon for Midori....melon flavored margaritas....yum!!!
> > >
> > >Sandra
> >
> > Welcome back.  Did you buy yours by the yard, too?
> >
> > Betty
>
> I shared one (mango) with my brother & my dad. Got it at the Luxor. It was
> waaaaay too sweet. I can barely finish a beer. I can't do Chernobyl-sized
> drinks.
>
> Sandra

The drinks were so pricey...no 99 cent margaritas anywhere I looked. One
night, I had the *privilege* of spending $9.50 on a Lemondrop. I don't think
I paid less than $6.50 for any drink ... except the one  had while playing
the slots.

It makes a great deal of sense that they didn't have fridges in the hotel
rooms. I guess it was a great favor to us that they provided ice buckets.

Then again, we were in a nice hotel on the strip...not a place for bargains.

Sandra

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6/25/2003, 8:34 AM, Karen Kay wrote:

KK> Well, that's good to know. And who knows, I may *want* a firing squad at
KK> some point.

Well, in all states you can get the "suicide by cop" option.


dan

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6/25/2003, 8:56 AM, Betty Clark wrote:

BC> I want them to bring back public flogging.

    Works for me.  I could start a list of those eligible.

dan

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>
>Ugh. By the way I HATE the spelling "cel" phone.


Somewhat similarly, I dislike the spelling of "Open Mic Night." I think it
should be spelled "Mike."

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6/25/2003, 1:05 PM, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> "That was an incredibly unfortunate" phrase, he
>> said. "Why do I say these things?" he asked a press
>> aide.

Because he's an idiot, of course.


dan

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At 07:17 AM 6/13/2003, you wrote:
>I hate it when an acronym is used and one of the words is repeated
>  - like ATM machine.
>
>BrP


or PIN number.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:08:39 -0400, Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> wrote:

>> >listening now to an autoharp CD Neal recommended
>>
>> Have you heard from him lately? Doesn't he usually have some contest with
>> baseball trivia about now?

Well, I do usually participate in the trivia contest that's part of the
fun, but it's actually a national convention of baseball *research*.  This
year, it's July 9-13 in Denver.

As Betty knows now, via backchannel, I'm actually flying to DIA on July 2,
and will spend a week touring the northern Great Plains and Rockies.  While
visiting (among other sights) the Badlands, Devils Tower, Custer
battlefield, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, I'll set foot for the first time in
the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Montana.

Which means, of course, that I won't be a surprise-guest at AcadiaFest.
Sorry.

>
>He sent me the email about the CD, but other than that, I haven't talked to
>him much. I was glad to see Raye also got the same email. (or is that
>private information??)
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Not private, even if it hadn't already been bandied about on-list.  She
reads the list more regularly than I do ... in fact, several of my pop-in
visits over the past couple of years have been prompted by things I heard
about through Raye.

So Adam, how's Harvey's CD?  I haven't gotten around to ordering it for
myself.  BTW, he's also superb on guitar, National Steel, mandolin, banjo,
pedal steel, ...

neal

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:17:01 -0500, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>> As a staunch supporter of the Republican National Committee,
>> I was graced with a glossy 8 x 10 of our Fearless Leader and
>> his heartfelt thanks.
>
>Make a dartboard out of it!
>
>Karen

Or perhaps you have a birdcage that needs lining.

I've gotten that crap too, on occasion.  But not this time (so far).  I
always think about wrapping their postage-paid thingie around a brick to
force the RNC to waste their money, but that's not kind to the USPS.  And
Dubya's raising so much blood-money that my feeble dirty trick wouldn't
matter anyway.

neal, who enthusiastically voted for the MoveOn.org leading vote-getter

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
.
>
> If the focus is on Kansas City, I suspect you won't find much to
> work with.

The Koreans could be covered in the section on "new immigrants".  Since
I've had a student who was the wife of a Ft. Riley soldier, I do know
your theory has merit.

 Thanks for the list of restaurants.  The Korean restaurant in Overland
Park is most likely central to the local Korean population (as well as
closer to Ft. Riley)... That area is classier than KCMO and I know
that's where many of the Chinese and Japanese live.   The Vietnamese and
Thai are in the central city area of Kansas City.

I've found materials to add sections on Koreans, Indians and Filipinos.
I'm still waiting for key word suggestions.

I've not used keywords before and really do need some clues to terms
that would draw people to the photo galleries.

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Neal Traven wrote:

> As Betty knows now, via backchannel, I'm actually flying to DIA on July 2,
> and will spend a week touring the northern Great Plains and Rockies.  While
> visiting (among other sights) the Badlands, Devils Tower, Custer
> battlefield, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, I'll set foot for the first time in
> the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Montana.

Beautiful sites to tour and sights to see.  Take your camera and have
fun.  The year we took the kids on this tour, they said the highlight
was the swimming pool in North Platte... the brats.


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6/26/2003, 10:14 AM, lisa alfieri wrote:

la> Now that I think about it, while my Church was being built, they held
la> services in the cafeteria of another local school.

la> That's a small town for you.

I've seen that happen lots of places.  The churches pay.  Same as do
the Weight watchers or others that may "rent a hall".


dan

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It would be more fun if Raye did more than lurk.  Seems so one way or
eavesdropping or something.  I enjoyed her participation before.

Betty

At 02:18 PM 6/27/2003 -0400, Neal Traven wrote:
>Not private, even if it hadn't already been bandied about on-list.  She
>reads the list more regularly than I do ... in fact, several of my pop-in
>visits over the past couple of years have been prompted by things I heard
>about through Raye.
>
>So Adam, how's Harvey's CD?  I haven't gotten around to ordering it for
>myself.  BTW, he's also superb on guitar, National Steel, mandolin, banjo,
>pedal steel, ...
>
>neal

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Who IS going to be here for the holiday week?   John, will you be going
nomail before you take off on your jaunt?

Lisa is coming home from July 5 to July 14 so I won't be going any where
this summer.  But it seems like the list is going to be VERY slow in the
coming week.


--
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>Who IS going to be here for the holiday week?   John, will you be going
>nomail before you take off on your jaunt?
>
>Lisa is coming home from July 5 to July 14 so I won't be going any where
>this summer.  But it seems like the list is going to be VERY slow in the
>coming week.

Hmmm. I'll be around - occasionally - until I leave for Sydney on the
afternoon of the 7th - trying to decide what clothes to take for the very
mild downunder winter and completing my paper. Right now I am awaiting ILL
books. I'll also probably be looking at condos if I get pre-approved
status next week, as I expect.

Bethany

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6/26/2003, 4:57 PM, clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:


cMSE> We had to go across the street to the Grange Hall for
cMSE> Religious Instruction on Thursdays, after the school prayer ruling.

      In Idaho there is an LDS Seminary across the street from every
      high school.  During the hour that would be free, or study hall,
      or soemthing, those who sign up for it, cross the street and
      take a period of seminary instruction.

dan

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6/26/2003, 5:06 PM, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

RM> -nosy,
RM> wonder if there's something about Syracuse that causes residents to
RM> hit the road every (other?) weekend

   snow.

dan

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view panoramas here: http://www.urban75.org/vista/index.html

Ann

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At 03:25 PM 6/27/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>view panoramas here: http://www.urban75.org/vista/index.html

Thank you.  The one of Mousehole brought back memories.

cwv

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Ann writes,

>view panoramas here: http://www.urban75.org/vista/index.html

Thanks!

Check out:
<http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~bernardk/tutorials/360/background/history.html>

I especially like the 5th image down, "The Big Swing".

Also see Ben's Virtual Victoria:
<http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~bernardk/victoria/virtual/>

I have just a couple of mine posted:
<http://peterkaminski.com/photos/pano/>

And in another directory, an ocean vista in Marin (in different sizes):

http://peterkaminski.com/photos/hlr-20030505/hlr-20030505-wide-800x200.jpg
800x200 pixels (height & width fits on screen), 47K

http://peterkaminski.com/photos/hlr-20030505/hlr-20030505-wide-2400x600.jpg
2400x600 pixels (height fits on screen), 238K

http://peterkaminski.com/photos/hlr-20030505/hlr-20030505-wide-4996x1248.jpg
4996x1248 pixels (large, for scaling or printing), 777K

Panorama Tools rocks.

Pete

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> I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for one
> thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
> centers."

Hmm....Granny's at Life Care Center of Wilbraham.

*sigh*

--Adam
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> > the suggestion that he let Mary Magdalen soothe his brow

I think Margaret George's recent novel about Mary Magdelene is going to be
the book I bring with me to Maine. If it's anything like her other books, it
will be fantastic.

SPEAKING OF WHICH, Rashmi, have you started that Cleopatra book yet? Hmmm?

--Adam
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> These cascade parties are so, like,
> 1990s Usenet.

Right ho!

--Adam
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>SPEAKING OF WHICH, Rashmi, have you started that Cleopatra book yet? Hmmm?


>--Adam

Writing or reading ...?

AS

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> OK - now the deep structure of my balk:  would you have no fear of
> sabotage, sarin attacks maybe or maybe some sort of horrible fire where
> you'd rather jump from the 51st floor than face the other death?

I don't let the major what-if's like that bother me. I could die here just
as easily in a car accident.

--Adam
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mom asked me if i would be willing to move to a different apartment in
another building in the complex.  i said sure.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> So Adam, how's Harvey's CD?  I haven't gotten around to ordering it for
> myself.  BTW, he's also superb on guitar, National Steel, mandolin, banjo,
> pedal steel, ...

It's great! I really enjoy it. Thanks for pointing me to it.

--Adam
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> Writing or reading ...?

Reading. I lent it to her a while ago, but its sheer size intimidated her.

--Adam
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I have another question.  If it is deemed <tacky> for me to turn to the
list for questions, the simple solution is to ignore the question, which
will be a deterrent for future askings.

I'm still happy with my Tracfone decision -- or at least afaik -- the
<test> will be whether it works well during my upcoming travels.  But
there's one oddity that I haven't been able to resolve, and the Tracfone
website and voice people haven't helped.  I keep thinking that they
surely know more about telephones than I do and thus that what sounds
crazy to me must not be crazy.  Yet what happens when I follow their
instructions fits perfectly with my gut instincts.

The problem is with voicemail (which I don't know whether I mentioned
before is automaically included with Tracfone).  Their online
instructions say to call the cell phone from the cell phone to set up
voicemail.  My gut found that weird, and sure enough my gut was right --
I got a busy signal when trying to call the same number that I was
calling from.  So I called their customer service (this was right after
I got the phone -- a week or two ago) and was told just to use my land
phone for setting up the voicemail.  I did, and it worked fine.

So there's no problem with the voicemail *except* that I can't retrieve
it from the cell phone.  I can retrieve it with no problem from another
phone -- I just dial the cell phone number, hit # when I hear my
greeting, enter my security number, and get the messages.  And that, of
course, is the logical way to do it when at home since it doesn't cost
me any cell phone minutes.  But it's when traveling that I'm worrying
about -- which is when I'm most likely to need the cell phone.

If I try to retrieve voicemail messages from the cell phone, I get a
recorded message saying "We're sorry -- your call can't go through as
dialed."  I sent e-mail on the Tracfone web site yesterday asking about
it but got no reply (strike one against Tracfone, though not a fatal
strike).  Late today I called to inquire about the problem and first got
an idiot with a thick bronx accent who told me to hit # when I heard the
man saying "We're sorry -- your call can't go through as dialed" -- that
that is the "greeting."  I said, "Way weird.  Doesn't sound like a
greeting to me."  Anyway, I hung up and tried that, gut in skeptical
mode.  And of course it didn't work.  Hitting # did nothing to stop the
recorded "your call can't go through" message.  So I called the Tracfone
customer service number again and got somebody who seemed a bit less
idiotic, though her English was halting and not always clear.  She said
that I should call the cell phone's number from the cell phone.  I told
her that that would lead to a busy signal, but she said that I should
try it again now that my voicemail was set up.  So I did.  And of course
I got a busy signal.  She then told me to try *78.  When I did that, I
got two beeps and nothing else.  She was in a quandary and said she'd
fill out a "case" on it and for me to call back in 24 hours.  I thanked
her and said ok.  But I am not feeling optimistic.  What I think I'll do
is go back into the voicemail setup (via land phone) and change my
message, which is something like "Hi, this is Natalie.  Please leave a
message" to something like "Hi, this is Natalie.  Please do not leave a
message.  Tracfone's voicemail doesn't work."

This is not really all that big a deal.  I'm not anticipating tons of
important voicemail messages.  But it could be important since that is
the phone number I'm leaving with Furrbabies.  And it could be
convenient if not crucial since it's the number I've e-mailed to various
other people related to this trip like the friends I'm staying with in
Lynchburg, lovejudith in Providence, my friends in Winter Habor, the
Blaneys in Bar Harbor, a friend I might connect with in Quebec (he's
trying to convince me to stay in a dorm in Laval -- I may do that), etc.
etc.

Bottom line of this TMI message:  Am I mutant for thinking that it's
<logical> that when dialing a phone number that is the same number
you're dialing from, you'll get a busy signal?  If I am not mutant, why
do the Tracfone people think that works?  Do any of you have suggestions
on how to retrieve my voicemail from the cell phone?

As I said, pas de grande chose.  I don't need voicemail, and I can
simply change the greeting on the automatic voicemail to say, "Don't
leave a message.  Call back later."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-06-27 | Jeff Rankin <jrankin@MAPLECITY.COM> writes:
> >
> >Ugh. By the way I HATE the spelling "cel" phone.
>
> Somewhat similarly, I dislike the spelling of "Open Mic Night." I think it
> should be spelled "Mike."

Dude this was done like years ago ...

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Natalie writes,

>Bottom line of this TMI message:  Am I mutant for thinking that it's
><logical> that when dialing a phone number that is the same number
>you're dialing from, you'll get a busy signal?

Yes, mutant.  Or, it makes sense from the point of view of old-style
phones, but not anymore.

On the cell phones I've had, you dial your own number to set or retrieve
voice mail.  Sometimes there's a voice mail speed dial programmed if you
hold down "1", but it's probably just going to dial your cell number.

If you can stomach it, you should call TracFone and get them to fix
it.  Keep asking to escalate the call to someone else until you get someone
who can help.

Similar strange tale from Google's cache:

>I just got my new phone today, and everything went great until I went to
>set up my voicemail. It said that I should call my own number, wait for
>the greeting, and press the # key and and specific temporary code. Well,
>when I called, a strange girl came on my phone saying she didn't have any
>clue how to work the phone... so I'm stuck with this strange girl on my
>phone and I don't know how to get her off. Customer service disconnected
>me any time I called today and I sent an email to them, but who knows...
>All I know is I won't let anyone call me now because there's a strange
>girl that answers the phone everytime I don't pick it up, so... I hope it
>gets fixed, and if it doesn't, I'm sending the TracFone back. The phone is
>good, the signal is good even though I live in very rural Wisconsin, and
>the battery charged up in no time. It's a very good phone, if only you can
>have good luck with activation and Customer Service. ;)

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >Bottom line of this TMI message:  Am I mutant for thinking that it's
> ><logical> that when dialing a phone number that is the same number
> >you're dialing from, you'll get a busy signal?
>
> Yes, mutant.  Or, it makes sense from the point of view of old-style
> phones, but not anymore.
>
> On the cell phones I've had, you dial your own number to set or retrieve
> voice mail.  Sometimes there's a voice mail speed dial programmed if you
> hold down "1", but it's probably just going to dial your cell number.

Hmmm.  I thank you for this updating of my old phone mentality, but why
do I get a busy signal when I call my cell phone from my cell phone?

> If you can stomach it, you should call TracFone and get them to fix
> it.  Keep asking to escalate the call to someone else until you get someone
> who can help.

I screwed my stomach to the sticking point and called them today --
twice, in fact.  I've now got a "case number" and will try to call them
back late tomorrow about it.  If I don't get an answer (or if I have to
stay on hold for too long), I'll just go on and change my greeting to
the "don't leave a message" and worry about it later.

> Similar strange tale from Google's cache:
>
> >I just got my new phone today, and everything went great until I went to
> >set up my voicemail. It said that I should call my own number, wait for
> >the greeting, and press the # key and and specific temporary code. Well,
> >when I called, a strange girl came on my phone saying she didn't have any
> >clue how to work the phone... so I'm stuck with this strange girl on my
> >phone and I don't know how to get her off. Customer service disconnected
> >me any time I called today and I sent an email to them, but who knows...
> >All I know is I won't let anyone call me now because there's a strange
> >girl that answers the phone everytime I don't pick it up, so... I hope it
> >gets fixed, and if it doesn't, I'm sending the TracFone back. The phone is
> >good, the signal is good even though I live in very rural Wisconsin, and
> >the battery charged up in no time. It's a very good phone, if only you can
> >have good luck with activation and Customer Service. ;)

I love it!  (As I said earlier, I'm still a fan of what Tracfone seems
to offer.  Will give another report after my travels.  So far my
voicemail hasn't involved alien voices.  If it moves to that, I may just
say no to it in the future.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie writes,

>Hmmm.  I thank you for this updating of my old phone mentality, but why
>do I get a busy signal when I call my cell phone from my cell phone?

The line is apparently misconfigured.

>I screwed my stomach to the sticking point and called them today --
>twice, in fact.  I've now got a "case number" and will try to call them
>back late tomorrow about it.  If I don't get an answer (or if I have to
>stay on hold for too long), I'll just go on and change my greeting to
>the "don't leave a message" and worry about it later.

Yeah.

You've tried <http://tracfone.com/voicemail_lookup.jsp>?

Voicemail problems seem to happen too much:

>I didn't have any problems with activating my phone. The only problem was
>about my voicemail. There was someone elses voice in the voicemail and the
>password Tracfone web site gave me, didn't work. When I called the
>customer service, they helped me out real quick and reset my vociemail and
>gave me the new password.

>My voicemail works just fine, i did have a problem with it at first, and
>so i emailed Tracfone, they asked for my ESN number and they fixed and I
>can access my voicemail just by programming my cell number and the code
>number into the phone and then pressing '1' and 'call' and i get my
>messages quickly and conviently.

>Friends could call my number and receive the greeting that I had left.
>However, I never had any messages in my mailbox. There were never any
>voice mail message alerts on the display. Now my greeting is gone when
>someone calls my telephone number. If I call my telephone number, enter a
># or * at the Tracfone greeting, I am asked to enter a mailbox number.
>When I do this, plus the passcode that I was told to use by a Tracfone
>customer representative (9999 - this was not my original passcode - which
>I assume now is nonexistent)all that I receive is the recording telling me
>to enter the mailbox number - over and over. At some point, I receive a
>fast busy signal. This is every time that I call my telephone number.

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> You've tried <http://tracfone.com/voicemail_lookup.jsp>?

Yep.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Some cell phones come with voicemail apparently installed - but it really
> isn't - you have to pay extra to really get it working (i.e., complete
> with message-receiving capabilities, etc.). I have some friends in the
> K-ville area with that. You call them and a voice says to leave a
> message, and you do - but they never get it. YMMV, of course.

Yes.  MMV.  There's no problem at all with getting the voicemail
messages.  A Wordsler sent me a couple of messages, in addition to one I
sent myself to first test the system.  There is no extra charge and no
problem at all with retrieving the voicemail from another phone.  The
only problem is how to retrieve it from the cell phone.

> To get my
> voicemail (and my cell phone talks to me to tell me when I have one), I
> simply use the menu button to retrieve calls and messages. <Calling>
> consists of entering a password.

My phone also talks to me when I have voicemail.  And there's a menu
option of "listen to the voicemail."  None of that is odd at all.  But
when I try it, I get the recording of "your call can't go through as
dialed."

> Good luck, Natalie!

Thanks.  It really isn't a big problem since I didn't even notice that
free voicemail was included in this cheap deal until after I had started
it.  It's just that I don't want somebody leaving voicemail for me if I
can't get to it.  So I do think I'll just go on and change my voicemail
message to "Don't leave voicemail.  Call back."

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Some cell phones come with voicemail apparently installed - but it really
isn't - you have to pay extra to really get it working (i.e., complete
with message-receiving capabilities, etc.). I have some friends in the
K-ville area with that. You call them and a voice says to leave a
message, and you do - but they never get it. YMMV, of course. To get my
voicemail (and my cell phone talks to me to tell me when I have one), I
simply use the menu button to retrieve calls and messages. <Calling>
consists of entering a password.

Good luck, Natalie!

Bethany

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> > I object to a 50-something-story building being called "hills," for one
> > thing.  It's kind of like last-stop nursing homes being called "health
> > centers."
>
> Hmm....Granny's at Life Care Center of Wilbraham.
>
> *sigh*
>
> --Adam

We just got my mom to provide her signature (adding it to my dad's) for a
multi-level care facility in Claremont, CA. My brother said she looked
"crestfallen." First time I've heard him use the word. I can't imagine what
it felt like for her to feel pressured to sign. It's just to get them on the
waiting list (it accompanies a check, of course). They need a 5 yr medical
history and they may not take them. Still, I think once she sees the place
she'll see it's not the *nursing home* experience she expects.

How is your Granny doing?

Sandra

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I'll be here.  Not going anywhere in July except 10--14 to Virginia
for family reunion.

dan

6/27/2003, 2:29 PM, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

SE> Who IS going to be here for the holiday week?   John, will you be going
SE> nomail before you take off on your jaunt?

SE> Lisa is coming home from July 5 to July 14 so I won't be going any where
SE> this summer.  But it seems like the list is going to be VERY slow in the
SE> coming week.


SE> --
SE> Sylvia Edwards
SE> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
SE> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/


dan

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> > OK - now the deep structure of my balk:  would you have no fear of
> > sabotage, sarin attacks maybe or maybe some sort of horrible fire where
> > you'd rather jump from the 51st floor than face the other death?
>
> I don't let the major what-if's like that bother me. I could die here just
> as easily in a car accident.

I don't get spooked (usually) on the highway.  I do get spooked in the
halls of high-rise apartments.  It's not a what-if thing, nor is it
rational.  It's more like claustrophobia or fear of heights - I mean, the
FEELING IS THERE, it's not what-if.

Ann

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I have another question.  If it is deemed <tacky> for me to turn to the
> list for questions, the simple solution is to ignore the question, which
> will be a deterrent for future askings.

It is deemed -tacky- to make a statement like this.

Ann

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> There are two more XL t-shirts left to purchase.  Anyone want
them?

Bonnie, I will buy one of the tees.  Wouldn't want my collection
to be incomplete, doncha know.  Send me price and so forth at
2024 New Orleans Drive, 40505.  And have a great fest -- I know
you will do it right.  Tell Betty I expect the usual telephone
call to 859.293.6450 on the day.

brad

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>Bonnie, I will buy one of the tees.  Wouldn't want my collection
>to be incomplete, doncha know.  Send me price and so forth at
>2024 New Orleans Drive, 40505.  And have a great fest -- I know
>you will do it right.  Tell Betty I expect the usual telephone
>call to 859.293.6450 on the day.          --brad

The last available t-shirt, XL, will go into the mail to you this
morning.  The shirt itself is $17.  I will email you the total with
postage, once I know it.  I guess this means you aren't our mystery guest,
eh, Brad??!


bonnie

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Sly:

> Who IS going to be here for the holiday week?   John, will you be going
> nomail before you take off on your jaunt?

El Invitado Misterioso?

I will be mostly busy, myself. Lots of things planned.

AS

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Thanks.  It really isn't a big problem since I didn't even notice that
> free voicemail was included in this cheap deal until after I had started
> it.  It's just that I don't want somebody leaving voicemail for me if I
> can't get to it.  So I do think I'll just go on and change my voicemail
> message to "Don't leave voicemail.  Call back."

If you can change the message, your skills are ahead of mine.  Lisa
programmed my phone for me, but I still haven't figured it out.  Very
few people have my cell phone number and I've already told them I can't
figure out how to retrieve the messages, so don't leave any.  Once in a
while Lisa will leave on JUST to be ornery.  I've told her she'll have
to clear those messages when she's here.  I'll also have her give me
another lesson in message pickup.

If I were you, I'd just use another phone to check the messages...
particularly since you can see/tell if you have messages.

--
Sylvia Edwards
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This just in:

---
4th and Gill Neighborhood Polical Picnic
Park is on the corner of Eleanor and Gill
Sunday, July 20, 02:00 PM
We will be hosting a "get to know the candidates" picnic at 4th and
Gill park at 2:00 and will have a booth set up for DEAN. Everyone is
invited.
---

Bethany

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At 11:41 AM 6/28/2003 -0500, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>If I were you, I'd just use another phone to check the messages...
>particularly since you can see/tell if you have messages.
>
>-

And you don't use up your cell phone minutes when you do that, but what a
pain.  My menu allows me to just click on messages.

Betty

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Providian sent Mom and me our new cards, and Radio Shack sent me three!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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Evelyn Duncan:
= mom asked me if i would be willing to move to a different apartment in
= another building in the complex.  i said sure.
=


Did she mean you move by yourself to another apartment, or did she
mean both of you together?  I read it as the first, and it was
bothering me, but now with a second look there's at least another
reading of it.

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Sylvia wrote:
> If I were you, I'd just use another phone to check the messages...
> particularly since you can see/tell if you have messages.

That definitely is the way to go if in town.  It's the way I did it with
my old cell phone, even though I had far more minutes per month than I
could possibly have used -- iow, I wasn't trying to avoid using the cell
phone minutes.  I'd just rather use a regular phone because it <feels>
better.  The problem, though, is when traveling -- which is about the
only time I'll ever use this phone.  It would mean calling
long-distance.  I realize that ld charges are miniscule these days, but
I still think it's not nice to call ld from somebody else's phone, like
somebody you're visiting, and finding a pay phone and figuring out how
to use it for ld isn't always easy -- and hotels usually have fat
surcharges.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 6/28/2003 1:44:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
<<
Did she mean you move by yourself to another apartment, or did she
mean both of you together?  I read it as the first, and it was
bothering me, but now with a second look there's at least another
reading of it.

>>

All three of us (Sweetie included).

She also said that, because of the comments made by her
Sunday School teacher about my choice of reading materials,
she is no longer going to that church.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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In a message dated 6/28/2003 4:13:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Your message  dated Sun, 29 Jun  2003 0:13:23 +0300 with  subject "Re:
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>>

What's going on here?
Evelyn Duncan
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My reality check bounced.

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I just checked my sent mail, and there is no message titled
"Re:  Application."

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 6/28/2003 4:29:06 PM Central Daylight Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
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My guess is that it is a virus or a worm.

>>

I just ran Norton last night, and it didn't pick up any viruses or worms.

Evelyn Duncan
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At 05:24 PM 6/28/2003 -0400, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 6/28/2003 4:13:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
>LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU writes:
><<
>Your message  dated Sun, 29 Jun  2003 0:13:23 +0300 with  subject "Re:
>Application" has been submitted to the moderator of the LSTSRV-L list.

My guess is that it is a virus or a worm.

cwv

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On 28 Jun 2003 at 17:28, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> My guess is that it is a virus or a worm.

W32.Sobig.E@mm

See, for example:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig
.e@mm.html

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At 11:50 AM 6/28/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 28 Jun 2003 at 17:28, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> > My guess is that it is a virus or a worm.
>
>W32.Sobig.E@mm
>
>See, for example:
>http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig
>.e@mm.html

That's the one I was thinking of, but couldn't dredge up from the memory
bank.  This must it's what---2nd or 3rd generation?

cwv

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> How is your Granny doing?
>
> Sandra

She's fallen a few times resulting in nasty cuts to her head which have
required ER trips. Basically she tries to get around her room without using
her walker, loses her balance, and falls. Plus, she's not eating enough -
she hates the foot there and has lost a fair bit of weight for being such a
tiny woman to begin with. They're playing with her meds and she's a bit
spacy at the moment.

*sigh*

My mom is finding it to be an enormous strain to be Granny's advocate.  I
don't know how she'll do if this drama lasts for years. Granny's 86 and
relatively healthy except for congestive heart failure.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I don't get spooked (usually) on the highway.  I do get spooked in the
> halls of high-rise apartments.  It's not a what-if thing, nor is it
> rational.  It's more like claustrophobia or fear of heights - I mean, the
> FEELING IS THERE, it's not what-if.
>
> Ann

Well, let me admit that I've never actually BEEN in a high-rise apartment
building. Who knows, I might not like it. As long as I can't fall out, I
should be fine.

--Adam

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> Your message  dated Sun, 29 Jun  2003 0:13:23 +0300 with  subject "Re:
> Application" has been submitted to the moderator of the LSTSRV-L list.
>
> >>
>
> What's going on here?
> Evelyn Duncan

BTFOM. I figure a spammer tried to send email to LSTSRV-L with our return
address. I figure if there's a problem, "they" will email me.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> she hates the foot there

Food. Duh!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "William L Howard"

> RUDOLF FRANZ HOELKER, 91, a
> member of Werner Von Braun's original team of
> rocket engineers, died June 14 in Newton, Mass.
> Trained as a mathematician, he worked on the
> trajectory aspect of the guidance system that
> steered the Saturn rockets on the Apollo moon
> flights. He was among the scientists who in 1945
> accompanied Von Braun from Germany to the
> United States and what is now NASA's Marshall
> Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.
>
> PETER KOK, 83, whose war experiences
> formed, in part, the basis for the book Catch-22,
> died Sunday in Grand Rapids, Mich. In World War
> II, he was a lead bombardier in the 488th Bomb
> Squad of the 340th Bomb Group, which was
> featured in Catch~22, Joseph Heller's 1961
> novel. Heller piloted one of the B-25 bombers
> under Mr. Kok's command. The 1968 movie
> based on the book depicted Mr. Kok's decision to
> refuse an order to bomb a village in Northern Italy.

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In a message dated 6/28/2003 5:46:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:
<<
BTFOM. I figure a spammer tried to send email to LSTSRV-L with our return
address. I figure if there's a problem, "they" will email me.

>>

Well, I just checked my computer; it's clean (TBTG).
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> > How is your Granny doing?
> >
> > Sandra
>
> She's fallen a few times resulting in nasty cuts to her head which have
> required ER trips. Basically she tries to get around her room
> without using
> her walker, loses her balance, and falls. Plus, she's not eating enough -
> she hates the foot there and has lost a fair bit of weight for
> being such a
> tiny woman to begin with. They're playing with her meds and she's a bit
> spacy at the moment.
>
> *sigh*
>
> My mom is finding it to be an enormous strain to be Granny's advocate.  I
> don't know how she'll do if this drama lasts for years. Granny's 86 and
> relatively healthy except for congestive heart failure.
>
> --Adam

Eating enough seems to be a challenge for a lot of seniors. I guess our
taste buds wear away or the brain receptors just don't hold up over time. A
family friend (in her 90s) doesn't eat much at all, but still loves sweets.
Sometimes I think that is all she eats.

Sandra

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>> member of Werner Von Braun's original team of

A friend of mine who studied physics in
college back in the 1960s was regaling
us with the tale of WVB guest-lecturing
or making an appearance or whatever.

Anyway:

"He seemed like kind of an asshole."

"Uh... What'd you expect? The guy was
a _Nazi_."

"Huh.  Hadn't thought of it like that."

--
yeah, but he was _our_ Nazi

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In a message dated 6/28/2003 6:23:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:
<<
Eating enough seems to be a challenge for a lot of seniors. I guess our
taste buds wear away or the brain receptors just don't hold up over time.
>>

Mom doesn't eat much when I'm not here.
So, I'm glad I'm here in the evenings so that she can eat dinner.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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> Sometimes I think that is all she eats.
>
> Sandra

Granny was pretty much living on Hershey bars until Mom asked me to stop
buying them for her so that she'd eat the regular food. Problem is, she's
not eating the normal food. She's drinking Boost and eating popcorn.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Granny was pretty much living on Hershey bars until
> Mom asked me to stop
> buying them for her so that she'd eat the regular
> food. Problem is, she's
> not eating the normal food. She's drinking Boost and
> eating popcorn.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

My mom has a theory that when people live alone and
either lose their will to cook for themselves, or
become unable to do so, they lose, as well, a chunk of
self-esteem.  She is 84, and has lived in an assisted
living "village" for 6 years, and seems very happy
there.  It is a really self-reliant facility in Lower
Gwynedd, PA.


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Or at least the last report for now...  I called the Tracfone people
again, as they had told me to, gave them the "case number," and found
that they still knew nothing.  So I said, "Forget it.  I'll just change
the message to say "don't leave voicemail."  But when I then went to do
that, I got a man's voice saying, "The Alltel customer you are calling is
unavailable.  Please try later."  Iow, they have now turned off the
voicemail entirely.  That's fine.

And I am soon going to turn off and unplug the computer -- removing the
modem cord from the phone jack of course since I don't want another fried
modem.  Spencer is safely at Furrbabies, where I did not get any bad
vibes today.  His attitude seemed pretty positive.  So I'm feeling good.

And I am absolutely adoring the music I'm listening to right now.  No,
Adam -- not what we were recently discussing, though it may be soon.
This is other Wordsler-related music.  I am in hog heaven.  It's gonna be
a great trip.  (Btw, my one dislike of the CD player I got for my car is
that it won't switch back and forth between CD and radio.  I have to
remove the CD to use the radio, and then the CD starts at the beginning
again.  Something of a bother.  My assessment now is that my favorite of
the car-CD arrangements I've had was the one in the trunk.

Bye.  See some of y'all soon.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> My mom has a theory that when people live alone and
> either lose their will to cook for themselves, or
> become unable to do so, they lose, as well, a chunk of
> self-esteem.

Has she met k-R-N?

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> > either lose their will to cook for themselves, or
> > become unable to do so, they lose, as well, a
> chunk of
> > self-esteem.
>
> Has she met k-R-N?

Seems doubtful. Who is k-R-N?


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02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > > either lose their will to cook for themselves, or
> > > become unable to do so, they lose, as well, a
> > chunk of
> > > self-esteem.
> >
> > Has she met k-R-N?
>
> Seems doubtful. Who is k-R-N?

On consideration, I should have figured it out myself.
K-R-N is what we call Karen in these times of vowel
shortage.

BTW, have you realized that this stupid forum is pretty
much open for people like you and me to post any stupid
thing while the cats are away?

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> > >
> > > Has she met k-R-N?
> >
> > Seems doubtful. Who is k-R-N?
>
> On consideration, I should have figured it out
> myself.
> K-R-N is what we call Karen in these times of vowel
> shortage.
>
> BTW, have you realized that this stupid forum is
> pretty
> much open for people like you and me to post any
> stupid
> thing while the cats are away?

That's exactly the point. We are mice with mouses. And
no, I don't believe even my crusty old mother is up to
meeting Karen.  You can meet her, right, she does
really exist other than on these sainted pages?


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02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> That's exactly the point. We are mice with mouses. And
> no, I don't believe even my crusty old mother is up to
> meeting Karen.  You can meet her, right, she does
> really exist other than on these sainted pages?

K-R-N? Yeah, I faintly remember meeting her some place.

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
= > > > either lose their will to cook for themselves, or
= > > > become unable to do so, they lose, as well, a
= > > chunk of
= > > > self-esteem.
= > >
= > > Has she met k-R-N?
= >
= > Seems doubtful. Who is k-R-N?
=
= On consideration, I should have figured it out myself.
= K-R-N is what we call Karen in these times of vowel
= shortage.
=
= BTW, have you realized that this stupid forum is pretty
= much open for people like you and me to post any stupid
= thing while the cats are away?

And how does that differ from any other day?

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=
= All three of us (Sweetie included).
=

Oh, that's good.  If you're lucky you'll get better neighbors
too.

= She also said that, because of the comments made by her
= Sunday School teacher about my choice of reading materials,
= she is no longer going to that church.
=

That's good.

How's your mom doing in general.  It sounds like she's pretty
much ok right now.


= Evelyn Duncan
= brandykitt@aol.com
= My reality check bounced.

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..... at least here, after a rough start. About time.

I expect that July should be the bomb!

"The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days. Anyone else
heard it?

AS

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College Slang From Around the World:

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AS

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At 04:22 PM 6/28/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
>Eating enough seems to be a challenge for a lot of seniors. I guess our
>taste buds wear away or the brain receptors just don't hold up over time. A
>family friend (in her 90s) doesn't eat much at all, but still loves sweets.
>Sometimes I think that is all she eats.
>
>Sandra

Let 'em eat whatever they want, I say.

B

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At 07:37 PM 6/28/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>Granny was pretty much living on Hershey bars until Mom asked me to stop
>buying them for her so that she'd eat the regular food. Problem is, she's
>not eating the normal food. She's drinking Boost and eating popcorn.

What's normal food? Everyone thinks they know best. They better let me have
whatever I want when I am in my 80's or 90's.

B

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At 7:46 AM -0700 6/29/03, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>College Slang From Around the World:
>
>http://www.intranet.csupomona.edu/~jasanders/slang/CSRP921.html
>
>AS

Amy, what cellar have you been living in? :-)  "Da bomb" made the Banished
Words list for 1998 (<http://www.lssu.edu/banished/archive/1998.php>).
("My bad", "talk to the hand", and "'Sup" were also on the list that year.)

Once school starts up next Fall, you'll no longer need the internet to find
out this sort of thing.  Master Carl will know the current words long
before the websites find out about them.

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
Johnson Institute for the Study of Harmless Drudgery

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>Amy, what cellar have you been living in? :-)  "Da bomb" made the Banished
>Words list for 1998 (<http://www.lssu.edu/banished/archive/1998.php>).
>("My bad", "talk to the hand", and "'Sup" were also on the list that year.)

HA! I knew I could drag someone out for this one. Seriously, living in the
provinces these past few years is taking its toll on me. I really must do
something about that.

>Once school starts up next Fall, you'll no longer need the internet to find
>out this sort of thing.  Master Carl will know the current words long
>before the websites find out about them.

Oh, I know. He will be a 4'1" strapping first-grader. In grad school I was
accused of producing a research subject for first-language acquisition
study.

And as my parents continuously tell me: "He will continue to keep you
young!"

AS


Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
Johnson Institute for the Study of Harmless Drudgery

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At 09:13 AM 6/29/2003 -0700, Ann Borkin wrote:
>vacation at Mt. Lassen (Betty & Larry territory)

Let us know how crowded it is.  We have a family vacation planned the last
week of July there. Larry was thinking about going up early to reserve a
couple of spots. We'll stay at Manzanita Lake.

Betty

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At 10:30 AM 6/29/2003 -0500, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >Amy, what cellar have you been living in? :-)  "Da bomb" made the Banished
> >Words list for 1998 (<http://www.lssu.edu/banished/archive/1998.php>).
> >("My bad", "talk to the hand", and "'Sup" were also on the list that year.)
>
>HA! I knew I could drag someone out for this one. Seriously, living in the
>provinces these past few years is taking its toll on me. I really must do
>something about that.

I thought you became our new mutant meeber.

I'm surprised that I am still hearing "hella".  Hella this, hella that,
hella funny.

Betty

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vacation at Mt. Lassen (Betty & Larry territory)

Ann

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>I thought you became our new mutant meeber.

>I'm surprised that I am still hearing "hella".  Hella this, hella that,
hella funny.

>Betty

:).

I could never <presume> myself in such a status so far out of my league!

Well, I am beginning to busy myself preparing for a little fest of my own
next week. This *is* a "lakes area" -- a holiday destination for many.

Hostess with the Mostest,

AS

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02003-06-29 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 04:22 PM 6/28/2003 -0700, sandra wrote:
> >Eating enough seems to be a challenge for a lot of seniors. I guess our
> >taste buds wear away or the brain receptors just don't hold up over time. A
> >family friend (in her 90s) doesn't eat much at all, but still loves sweets.
> >Sometimes I think that is all she eats.
>
> Let 'em eat whatever they want, I say.

That certainly gives me a new perspective on life ... huh huh ...

I don't think taste buds wear out (unless you drink Midori margaritas).

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02003-06-29 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> "The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days. Anyone else
> heard it?

Never!

Could it be related to the increased violence of our times?

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02003-06-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> = > > > either lose their will to cook for themselves, or
> = > > > become unable to do so, they lose, as well, a
> = > > chunk of
> = > > > self-esteem.
> = > >
> = > > Has she met k-R-N?
> = >
> = > Seems doubtful. Who is k-R-N?
> =
> = On consideration, I should have figured it out myself.
> = K-R-N is what we call Karen in these times of vowel
> = shortage.
> =
> = BTW, have you realized that this stupid forum is pretty
> = much open for people like you and me to post any stupid
> = thing while the cats are away?
>
> And how does that differ from any other day?

I feel very censored, usually.

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= > = BTW, have you realized that this stupid forum is pretty
= > = much open for people like you and me to post any stupid
= > = thing while the cats are away?
= >
= > And how does that differ from any other day?
=
= I feel very censored, usually.

Really?  You shouldn't.  What do you have to lose?

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Amy Burns Short wrote:
 Oh, I know. He will be a 4'1" strapping first-grader. In grad school I was
> accused of producing a research subject for first-language acquisition
> study.
>
> And as my parents continuously tell me: "He will continue to keep you
> young!"

You and anyone else who hangs with you.

Scott and Austin spent Saturday with me.  Austin kept me giggling and
running.  Sometimes I was Joe; sometimes I was Steve.  We bought a
swimming Blue for the wading pool and  four Tonka Jr trucks to have on
hand for the next time he comes over, which will be when Zach and Rach
are here July 5.


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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6/28/2003, 9:32 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> meeting Karen.  You can meet her, right, she does
>> really exist other than on these sainted pages?

TS> K-R-N? Yeah, I faintly remember meeting her some place.

Yeah, she does, or at least she did in Portland and San Jose in years
past.  But haven't seen her since she moved to --ST-N, so maybe she's
no longer real.

dan

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6/29/2003, 11:58 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-06-29 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>> "The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days. Anyone else
>> heard it?

TS> Never!

TS> Could it be related to the increased violence of our times?

I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
twenties?

dan

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>past.  But haven't seen her since she moved to --ST-N, so maybe she's
>no longer real.

I am rounding up stray vowels in Appalachia - you know, the ones that
usually get away from native speakers: the -I of <aI>, etc. I expect to
have some available soon. But I cannot offer any glides, certainly not the
/-y/ that typically follows d- , n-, st-, etc.

Bethany

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In a message dated 6/29/2003 2:59:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
<<
How's your mom doing in general.  It sounds like she's pretty
much ok right now.

>>

She won't leave the apartment unless I'm there to be with her.

She's scared; I'm angry.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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> > > the suggestion that he let Mary Magdalen soothe his brow

>I think Margaret George's recent novel about Mary Magdelene is going to be
>the book I bring with me to Maine. If it's anything like her other books,
>it
>will be fantastic.

>SPEAKING OF WHICH, Rashmi, have you started that Cleopatra book yet? Hmmm?

I should start writing a book on Cleopatra! That project will prolly get
done
earlier than reading the massive, mammoth, huge Margaret George book.

I thought of bringing the book with me but it's too fat to carry.

-rashmi

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At 09:54 PM 6/29/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>I thought of bringing the book with me but it's too fat to carry.

That's the spirit:  pack light, eat well, go home happy.

cwv

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02003-06-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/29/2003, 11:58 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> TS> 02003-06-29 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> "The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days. Anyone else
> >> heard it?
>
> TS> Never!
>
> TS> Could it be related to the increased violence of our times?
>
> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
> twenties?

Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.

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Adam:

>*sigh*

>My mom is finding it to be an enormous strain to be Granny's advocate.  I
>don't know how she'll do if this drama lasts for years. Granny's 86 and
>relatively healthy except for congestive heart failure.

My mom's having problems with this as well. My 80-something grandmother
is in relatively good health but can't live on her own and lives with my
folks.
They're happy to have her with them but my grandma's become very
difficult and stubborn and isn't happy with anything my mother does.
Living at a distance I'm shielded from a lot of the unpleasant details but
it looks like my mom's in daily misery and anguish. I feel very bad for my
folks and there's not much I can do from here.

*sigh* indeed.

Good thing most wordslers are off on vacation and will not see this sorry
post. :-/

-rashmi

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02003-06-29 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > = BTW, have you realized that this stupid forum is pretty
> = > = much open for people like you and me to post any stupid
> = > = thing while the cats are away?
> = >
> = > And how does that differ from any other day?
> =
> = I feel very censored, usually.
>
> Really?  You shouldn't.  What do you have to lose?

My excellent standing with Dan Lester.

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I don't have any answers - just struck again by *how much* Natalie has
to say on the subject of cell phones. No one I know comes close.

-rashmi

====================================================

I have another question.  If it is deemed <tacky> for me to turn to the
list for questions, the simple solution is to ignore the question, which
will be a deterrent for future askings.

I'm still happy with my Tracfone decision -- or at least afaik -- the
<test> will be whether it works well during my upcoming travels.  But
there's one oddity that I haven't been able to resolve, and the Tracfone
website and voice people haven't helped.  I keep thinking that they
surely know more about telephones than I do and thus that what sounds
crazy to me must not be crazy.  Yet what happens when I follow their
instructions fits perfectly with my gut instincts.

The problem is with voicemail (which I don't know whether I mentioned
before is automaically included with Tracfone).  Their online
instructions say to call the cell phone from the cell phone to set up
voicemail.  My gut found that weird, and sure enough my gut was right --
I got a busy signal when trying to call the same number that I was
calling from.  So I called their customer service (this was right after
I got the phone -- a week or two ago) and was told just to use my land
phone for setting up the voicemail.  I did, and it worked fine.

So there's no problem with the voicemail *except* that I can't retrieve
it from the cell phone.  I can retrieve it with no problem from another
phone -- I just dial the cell phone number, hit # when I hear my
greeting, enter my security number, and get the messages.  And that, of
course, is the logical way to do it when at home since it doesn't cost
me any cell phone minutes.  But it's when traveling that I'm worrying
about -- which is when I'm most likely to need the cell phone.

If I try to retrieve voicemail messages from the cell phone, I get a
recorded message saying "We're sorry -- your call can't go through as
dialed."  I sent e-mail on the Tracfone web site yesterday asking about
it but got no reply (strike one against Tracfone, though not a fatal
strike).  Late today I called to inquire about the problem and first got
an idiot with a thick bronx accent who told me to hit # when I heard the
man saying "We're sorry -- your call can't go through as dialed" -- that
that is the "greeting."  I said, "Way weird.  Doesn't sound like a
greeting to me."  Anyway, I hung up and tried that, gut in skeptical
mode.  And of course it didn't work.  Hitting # did nothing to stop the
recorded "your call can't go through" message.  So I called the Tracfone
customer service number again and got somebody who seemed a bit less
idiotic, though her English was halting and not always clear.  She said
that I should call the cell phone's number from the cell phone.  I told
her that that would lead to a busy signal, but she said that I should
try it again now that my voicemail was set up.  So I did.  And of course
I got a busy signal.  She then told me to try *78.  When I did that, I
got two beeps and nothing else.  She was in a quandary and said she'd
fill out a "case" on it and for me to call back in 24 hours.  I thanked
her and said ok.  But I am not feeling optimistic.  What I think I'll do
is go back into the voicemail setup (via land phone) and change my
message, which is something like "Hi, this is Natalie.  Please leave a
message" to something like "Hi, this is Natalie.  Please do not leave a
message.  Tracfone's voicemail doesn't work."

This is not really all that big a deal.  I'm not anticipating tons of
important voicemail messages.  But it could be important since that is
the phone number I'm leaving with Furrbabies.  And it could be
convenient if not crucial since it's the number I've e-mailed to various
other people related to this trip like the friends I'm staying with in
Lynchburg, lovejudith in Providence, my friends in Winter Habor, the
Blaneys in Bar Harbor, a friend I might connect with in Quebec (he's
trying to convince me to stay in a dorm in Laval -- I may do that), etc.
etc.

Bottom line of this TMI message:  Am I mutant for thinking that it's
<logical> that when dialing a phone number that is the same number
you're dialing from, you'll get a busy signal?  If I am not mutant, why
do the Tracfone people think that works?  Do any of you have suggestions
on how to retrieve my voicemail from the cell phone?

As I said, pas de grande chose.  I don't need voicemail, and I can
simply change the greeting on the automatic voicemail to say, "Don't
leave a message.  Call back later."

--
-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-06-29 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Adam:
>
> >*sigh*
>
> >My mom is finding it to be an enormous strain to be Granny's advocate.  I
> >don't know how she'll do if this drama lasts for years. Granny's 86 and
> >relatively healthy except for congestive heart failure.
>
> My mom's having problems with this as well. My 80-something grandmother
> is in relatively good health but can't live on her own and lives with my
> folks.
> They're happy to have her with them but my grandma's become very
> difficult and stubborn and isn't happy with anything my mother does.
> Living at a distance I'm shielded from a lot of the unpleasant details but
> it looks like my mom's in daily misery and anguish. I feel very bad for my
> folks and there's not much I can do from here.

Yeah the Indian middle class is very Jewish-like in this regard ...
Someone should research how and why it happens. Must be something
in, like, the family structure.

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I've been asleep at the switch.

Someone tell me:

When is Bar harboring decadent wordslers?


               - D. M.

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02003-06-29 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I don't have any answers - just struck again by *how much* Natalie has
> to say on the subject of cell phones. No one I know comes close.

Four points:

#1: This post indicates to Natalie that her question is not being
ignored, hence she is not being deterred.

#2: The cell phone company probably sucks anyway. I mean "call your
own cell phone number" is an idiot strategy--unless they also provide
a proper absolute "phonespace" number which always works.

#3: I can say a lot more about cell phones. I mean a LOT more, and
I don't even have a cell phone.

#4: See what happens when you always pay your ISP bills on time etc.
Your biggest fear is missing a Furrbabies call.

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Doris M:

>I've been asleep at the switch.

Bad meeber!

>Someone tell me:

>When is Bar harboring decadent wordslers?

Adam and I are driving up Wednesday. Others are arriving Thursday, Friday
...

Can't wait,
-rashmi

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6/29/2003, 4:01 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> TS> Could it be related to the increased violence of our times?
>>
>> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
>> twenties?

TS> Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.

        So look it up yourself already?

dan

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> 02003-06-29 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Adam:
> >
> > >*sigh*
> >
> > >My mom is finding it to be an enormous strain to be Granny's
advocate.  I
> > >don't know how she'll do if this drama lasts for years. Granny's 86
and
> > >relatively healthy except for congestive heart failure.
> >
> > My mom's having problems with this as well. My 80-something
grandmother
> > is in relatively good health but can't live on her own and lives
with my
> > folks.
> > They're happy to have her with them but my grandma's become very
> > difficult and stubborn and isn't happy with anything my mother does.
> > Living at a distance I'm shielded from a lot of the unpleasant
details but
> > it looks like my mom's in daily misery and anguish. I feel very bad
for my
> > folks and there's not much I can do from here.
>
> Yeah the Indian middle class is very Jewish-like in this regard ...
> Someone should research how and why it happens. Must be something
> in, like, the family structure.

You people are scaring the bejesus out of me.
In August I will be 78 and I still feel just like
almost normal and me and my kids still communicate
and laugh together and enjoy each other and even travel
to be together in other places . . and we all talk on the
phone several times a week . . and exchange emails . .
and do instant messenger with pictures and voice
sometimes . . and when something goes wrong here
the kids are here Johnny on the spot . . and when
something goes wrong there we are there Johnny on
the spot.

Will that all change in two years, give or take?

                - D. M.



































Where did I go wrong??

              - D. M.

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> Doris M:
>
> >I've been asleep at the switch.
>
> Bad meeber!
>
> >Someone tell me:
>
> >When is Bar harboring decadent wordslers?
>
> Adam and I are driving up Wednesday. Others are arriving Thursday,
Friday
> ...
>
> Can't wait,
> -rashmi

Thank you, Rashmi.

    - D. M.

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02003-06-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/29/2003, 4:01 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >> TS> Could it be related to the increased violence of our times?
> >>
> >> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
> >> twenties?
>
> TS> Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.
>
>         So look it up yourself already?

I shouldn't have to do that, Dan.

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6/29/2003, 4:39 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> >> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
>> >> twenties?
>>
>> TS> Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.
>>
>>         So look it up yourself already?

TS> I shouldn't have to do that, Dan.

      Hey, life's a bitch.  Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.

dan

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Katherine Hepburn at age 96; she died at her home in Connecticut.

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02003-06-29 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> You people are scaring the bejesus out of me.

Why, are you Jewish?

> In August I will be 78 and I still feel just like
> almost normal and me and my kids still communicate
> and laugh together and enjoy each other and even travel

That's OK. The one thing we never do is laugh together.
Communicate, maybe barely.

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02003-06-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
>
> >> >> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
> >> >> twenties?
> >>
> >> TS> Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.
> >>
> >>         So look it up yourself already?
>
> TS> I shouldn't have to do that, Dan.
>
>       Hey, life's a bitch.  Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.

I shouldn't have to do that either. And a quarter? Even Natalie's
TracPhone's not that cheap.

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In Nebraska . . .

Son and his son (age 7) here for a week.

Looks great.  Came bearing gifts . .

Mine is a pack of cards (most wanted), not
from eBay but from iRaq.

He leaves our shores again before the end of July.

Hope to hear some interesting stories . . but not
counting on it.  Perhaps a little wine with dinner . .


                 - D. M.

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> Katherine Hepburn at age 96; she died at her home in Connecticut.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
>

This is way weird.  I have thought of her several
times during the past week and wondered if she
were still alive and how she was doing.  I was
going to do a search to find out, but never did.

                     - D. M.

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KH is truly one of the greats - as I have been watching retrospectives of
her life, I have thought of other strong women who have had an influence
on me - here are the top 10:

1. KH
2. Bette Davis
3. my mother
4. my one maternal aunt
5. my maternal grandmother
6. a medical dr. in nw arkansas
7. my one female graduate school prof
and more recently
8. my therapist of several years ago
9. the woman who owns PF
10. one female law prof of mine

and I never met her, but the legend of hometown great Babe Didrickson
Zaharias was important. Here's a short recap of her career.

>won 2 gold medals (javelin and 80-meter hurdles) and a silver (high jump)
at 1932 Olympics; played baseball and acquired the nickname ÒBabeÓ for her
tape measure home runs; real first name was Mildred; took up golf in 1935
and went on to win 55 pro and amateur events; won 10 majors, including 3
U.S. Opens (1948,50,54); helped found LPGA in 1949; chosen female ÒAthlete
of the Half CenturyÓ by AP in 1950; when asked if there was anything she
didn't play, she replied, ÒYeah, dolls.Ó<

Bethany

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At 05:13 PM 6/29/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>I've been asleep at the switch.
>
>Someone tell me:
>
>When is Bar harboring decadent wordslers?

As Rashmi has noted, she and Adam will be the first to arrive (on the 2nd);
the others will straggle in, as they will, on the 3rd or 4th. The mystery
guest(s) is/are due sometime on the 3rd, we understand.  Presumably, during
that span and continuing through the 5th, one or more will regale the rest
of the list with their observations on Acadia, Bar Harbor, the Fest, the
meaning of life, and who knows what else.

In the meantime, enjoy the time with your son (as I'm sure you are doing).

cwv

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> >       Hey, life's a bitch.  Here's a quarter, call
> someone who cares.
>
> I shouldn't have to do that either. And a quarter?
> Even Natalie's
> TracPhone's not that cheap.

One has the feeling that anywhere they roam, the
wordlers eavesdrop on home.


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>> and I never met her, but the legend of hometown
> great Babe Didrickson
> Zaharias was important. Here's a short recap of her
> career.
>
> >won 2 gold medals (javelin and 80-meter hurdles)
> and a silver (high jump)
> at 1932 Olympics; played baseball and acquired the
> nickname ÒBabeÓ for her
> tape measure home runs; real first name was Mildred;
> took up golf in 1935
> and went on to win 55 pro and amateur events; won 10
> majors, including 3
> U.S. Opens (1948,50,54); helped found LPGA in 1949;
> chosen female ÒAthlete
> of the Half CenturyÓ by AP in 1950; when asked if
> there was anything she
> didn't play, she replied, ÒYeah, dolls.Ó<
>
> Bethany

KH and Mrs. Zaharias together in "Pat and Mike".


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> "The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days.
> Anyone else heard it?

Um...yeah.

I don't care much for it. I think that means I'm old.

--Adam
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> What's normal food? Everyone thinks they know best. They better
> let me have whatever I want when I am in my 80's or 90's.

That's kind of my attitude, too, but I can see both sides of the issue. Mom
wants Granny to eat the real food there so that she ultimately doesn't die
sooner than she would if she doesn't, and Granny wants to eat what tastes
good and what she likes. It's hard to be in the middle of that.

--Adam
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> "The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days.
> Anyone else heard it?


>Um...yeah.


>I don't care much for it. I think that means I'm old.


>--Adam

I've never particularly disliked it. I think that means I'm young.

:)

AS

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S. Words:

> And as my parents continuously tell me: "He will continue to keep you
> young!"

>You and anyone else who hangs with you.

Mais oui!

La jeunesse, c'est nous!

AS

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6/29/2003, 4:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-06-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
>>
>> >> >> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
>> >> >> twenties?
>> >>
>> >> TS> Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.
>> >>
>> >>         So look it up yourself already?
>>
>> TS> I shouldn't have to do that, Dan.
>>
>>       Hey, life's a bitch.  Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.

TS> I shouldn't have to do that either. And a quarter? Even Natalie's
TS> TracPhone's not that cheap.

  Shit, boy, you want welfare?  I offered a helping hand.

dan

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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> Will that all change in two years, give or take?

It shouldn't.

> Where did I go wrong??

You probably never pretended to be feeble in order to get men to take care
of you your whole life - and then when the men died 20 years apart, you did
not suddenly find yourself to be truly feeble and incapable of caring for
yourself. Granny was doing pretty well till her boyfriend died in ...1999? I
think.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> > Katherine Hepburn at age 96; she died at her home in Connecticut.
> >
> > Evelyn Duncan
> >
>
> This is way weird.  I have thought of her several
> times during the past week and wondered if she
> were still alive and how she was doing.  I was
> going to do a search to find out, but never did.
>
>                      - D. M.

I had just stayed up last night so I could watch Spencer Tracy in SAN
FRANCISCO and then he and Katherine Hepburn in ADAMS RIB. I'd forgotten that
Judy Holliday was in ADAMS RIB. Just a week or so ago, I'd caught a little
bit of Katherine Houghton (Hepburn's niece and featured in GUESS WHO'S
COMING TO DINNER?) on Larry King. I am not a fan of King's but she was a bit
interesting to listen to. She said Katherine Hepburn would be remembered as
the icon for the 20th century woman and I think she has it right. She
represents the modern, independent woman in many ways. I like her spunk. I
can  think of worse things than to be compared to her.

Sandra

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>Tushar Samant
>
> I don't think taste buds wear out (unless you drink Midori margaritas).

I have a brand new bottle in my kitchen. So far, it's been over 24 hours and
I haven't broken the seal.

Sandra

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> > What's normal food? Everyone thinks they know best. They better
> > let me have whatever I want when I am in my 80's or 90's.
>
> That's kind of my attitude, too, but I can see both sides of the
> issue. Mom
> wants Granny to eat the real food there so that she ultimately doesn't die
> sooner than she would if she doesn't, and Granny wants to eat what tastes
> good and what she likes. It's hard to be in the middle of that.
>
> --Adam

At 80, I hope to eat any and everything I desire.

Sandra

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> 02003-06-29 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > Adam:
> >
> > >*sigh*
> >
> > >My mom is finding it to be an enormous strain to be Granny's
> advocate.  I
> > >don't know how she'll do if this drama lasts for years. Granny's 86 and
> > >relatively healthy except for congestive heart failure.
> >
> > My mom's having problems with this as well. My 80-something grandmother
> > is in relatively good health but can't live on her own and lives with my
> > folks.
> > They're happy to have her with them but my grandma's become very
> > difficult and stubborn and isn't happy with anything my mother does.
> > Living at a distance I'm shielded from a lot of the unpleasant
> details but
> > it looks like my mom's in daily misery and anguish. I feel very
> bad for my
> > folks and there's not much I can do from here.
>
> Yeah the Indian middle class is very Jewish-like in this regard ...
> Someone should research how and why it happens. Must be something
> in, like, the family structure. (TS)

Wow.....some ideas you have about jews :/  You watch too many movies. Maybe
you need to attend a service or two.

Sandra

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Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
>You people are scaring the bejesus out of me.
>In August I will be 78 and I still feel just like
>almost normal and me and my kids still communicate
>and laugh together and enjoy each other and even travel

There are other 80-somethings in the family who are
considerate, well-adjusted, mature...afaik no one worries
about them, no one writes postings about them to
email lists etc.

-rashmi

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Amy:

>"The bomb" seems to be an expression kids use a lot these days.
>Anyone else heard it?

It was so over in ... 1998 maybe. Only places I see/hear it now
are on teevee and ads where it's used to indicate out-of-touch
dad or desperately trying to be hip loser. I don't know all the
current slang but this one's come and gone, imo.

-rashmi

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02003-06-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> 6/29/2003, 4:42 PM, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> TS> 02003-06-29 | Dan Lester <dan@GAILNDAN.COM> writes:
> >>
> >> >> >> I'd say it is simply resurrected from last time it was big, the
> >> >> >> twenties?
> >> >>
> >> >> TS> Can't accept this without a cite, sorry.
> >> >>
> >> >>         So look it up yourself already?
> >>
> >> TS> I shouldn't have to do that, Dan.
> >>
> >>       Hey, life's a bitch.  Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.
>
> TS> I shouldn't have to do that either. And a quarter? Even Natalie's
> TS> TracPhone's not that cheap.
>
>   Shit, boy, you want welfare?  I offered a helping hand.

Hm, limp and icky ... but not unexpected.

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02003-06-29 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> KH and Mrs. Zaharias together in "Pat and Mike".

1903 ... KH and Mrs Zaharias are walking up Broadway ...

KH: What do you do for a living, Mrs Zaharias?
Mrs Zaharias: I putt shots bedad.
KH: Faith and begob, I'm sorry?
Mrs Zaharias: I PUTT SHOTS, BEGORRAH!
KH: I heard ye. I'm just sorry ...

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At 04:33 AM 6/30/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
>>You people are scaring the bejesus out of me.
>>In August I will be 78 and I still feel just like
>>almost normal and me and my kids still communicate
>>and laugh together and enjoy each other and even travel
>
>There are other 80-somethings in the family who are
>considerate, well-adjusted, mature...afaik no one worries
>about them, no one writes postings about them to

It'll be worthwhile to hang around and see what Doris is like when she hits
80...

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Just got a cell phone call from Natalie on the way to Maine in
southern Virginia.  I haven't followed all the discussions about
her cell phone woes, but she seemed to be testing it out and only
had a few moments.  She said to tell Bethany that Knoxville
sucks.

I hope y'all have a great celebration.  Wish I were there!

brad

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>It'll be worthwhile to hang around and see what Doris is like when she hits 80...

... as it will be with others on this <service>.

AS

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At 02:23 AM 6/30/2003 -0400, Brad Grissom wrote:
>Just got a cell phone call from Natalie on the way to Maine in
>southern Virginia.  I haven't followed all the discussions about
>her cell phone woes,

Your luck is holding.

>She said to tell Bethany that Knoxville
>sucks.

Not exactly a news flash.

>I hope y'all have a great celebration.  Wish I were there!

I wish you were as well.  Looks like we'll have decent weather---nobody
should get too warm or too wet.

cwv

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6/30/2003, 12:23 AM, Brad Grissom wrote:

BG> Just got a cell phone call from Natalie on the way to Maine in
BG> southern Virginia.  I haven't followed all the discussions about
BG> her cell phone woes, but she seemed to be testing it out and only
BG> had a few moments.  She said to tell Bethany that Knoxville
BG> sucks.

Can you hear me now?

Can you hear me now?

BG> I hope y'all have a great celebration.  Wish I were there!

Me too.

dan

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Brad Grissom wrote:

>had a few moments.  She said to tell Bethany that Knoxville
>sucks.

Did she take my <advice> and stop at the Museum of Appalachia?

Bethany

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I like the kids on the stumps!

Betty

I have just a couple of mine posted:
><http://peterkaminski.com/photos/pano/>
>
>And in another directory, an ocean vista in Marin (in different sizes):
>
>http://peterkaminski.com/photos/hlr-20030505/hlr-20030505-wide-800x200.jpg
>800x200 pixels (height & width fits on screen), 47K
>
>http://peterkaminski.com/photos/hlr-20030505/hlr-20030505-wide-2400x600.jpg
>2400x600 pixels (height fits on screen), 238K
>
>http://peterkaminski.com/photos/hlr-20030505/hlr-20030505-wide-4996x1248.jpg
>4996x1248 pixels (large, for scaling or printing), 777K
>
>Panorama Tools rocks.
>
>Pete

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

> > Ever read "Judas My Brother"?
>
> No, wazzat?
>
> --
> Richard
>
Judas, My Brother - Frank Yerby, 1968
"Blasphemous" novel from abt the same time as the controvrsy re JC
Superstar. I read it in jr high. The premise was that there was a rich guy
who was a dead ringer for JC, and whose chance contacts w/ JC and his
followers explain reported miracles in ordinary terms, eg, he saw that the
folks on the mount were too smitten to think about mundane things like
lunch, heaved a heavy sigh, and had the event catered. Similarly, the
resurrection was a case of mistaken identity.

Mary M. has a hot and heavy affair w/ both men in the novel, if memory
serves. Anyway, it was a very racy book to me at that protected age, and
goes wayyyy beyond JC Superstar in questioning Christian mythology.

It was also my introduction to the notion that women didn't always need to
shave their armpits to be considered human beings.

clo

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> At 04:33 AM 6/30/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> >>You people are scaring the bejesus out of me.
> >>In August I will be 78 and I still feel just like
> >>almost normal and me and my kids still communicate
> >>and laugh together and enjoy each other and even travel
> >
> >There are other 80-somethings in the family who are
> >considerate, well-adjusted, mature...afaik no one worries
> >about them, no one writes postings about them to
>
> It'll be worthwhile to hang around and see what Doris is like when she
hits
> 80...

I hope you'll just look the other way.  Things can
get started and then slip away fast.  Things like
memory and dignity and sensitivity.  You may get lucky.
I may forget how to email.

                       - D. M.

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-06-28 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> > That's exactly the point. We are mice with mouses. And
> > no, I don't believe even my crusty old mother is up to
> > meeting Karen.  You can meet her, right, she does
> > really exist other than on these sainted pages?
>
> K-R-N? Yeah, I faintly remember meeting her some place.
>

Karen was my 2d wordsler ftf, if of course I exist.
clo

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I feel very censored, usually.
>

How is this possible?
<You> never attempt apologies.
clo

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bonniev:

>--Two or Three Mystery Guests

Bet I know who the mystery guests are ...

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> You people are scaring the bejesus out of me.
> In August I will be 78 and I still feel just like
> almost normal and me and my kids still communicate
> and laugh together and enjoy each other and even travel
> to be together in other places . . and we all talk on the
> phone several times a week . . and exchange emails . .
> and do instant messenger with pictures and voice
> sometimes . . and when something goes wrong here
> the kids are here Johnny on the spot . . and when
> something goes wrong there we are there Johnny on
> the spot.
>
> Will that all change in two years, give or take?
>

My mom fought against a hip replacement at 76, saying "that's what old
people do, and I don't feel old". But as far as I can determine, she looks
and feels even younger now. Seems ironic that <we kids> started to think
of the parental unit as <old> in their late 40's (my age now). But I just
spent a weekend partying in the woods with (among others) an 80+ old guy
who was hanging out on a dock in lake on the last day, after having danced
to techno music till about 3 am.


Obviously,
it's not the age but the attitude, which you've still got plenty of.
I expect you to still be young at 96.

clo

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clo:
>a rich guy who was a dead ringer for JC

That sounds unutterably stupid.

Ever read _The Passover Plot_?  That
one involved, as I recall, faking his
death with drugs, stealing his body,
and reviving him, etc.

And, I don't remember for sure, but
I don't think it was presented as
fiction.

--
O.K., gotta get home before the hurricane

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

> clo:
> >a rich guy who was a dead ringer for JC
>
> That sounds unutterably stupid.

Yep, even at that young age, I thought the <contrivances> of the plot
really stretched beyond willing-suspension-of-disbelief. The points of
interest for me were the willingness to speculate on that which had
previously been too sacrosanct for that kind of manipulation (eg was JC
sexually active?), and the out and out prurience of the thing.


>
> --
> O.K., gotta get home before the hurricane
>

What an exciting life you lead! Hope it passes you by or, alternately,
behaves politely as a guest in your home

clo

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Rita sent a goody package for festers.  There are toys for the kids.  They
are trinkets for the adults.  There is a recipe for Natalie.  And for the
hosts of Acadiafest, there is a bottle of headache medication.  Wise
woman.  Thank you, Rita!  Glad you like the shirts.


bonnie

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>him to tell Bethany that Knoxville sux -- the Kville vicinity that
>is -- mainly to the southwest -- where I-75 hits I-40.  The traffic
>jams cost me only a few hours because I shrewdly took an exit that
>enabled me to cut a corner of the mess, ending up on Kingston Pike
>way out in the boonies -- around Farragut.  I kept wondering if I
>was somewhere near where Maria lives.  Anyway, Kville was still

There is a great advantage to having lived in the wrong parts of Knoxville
for years - I know those back roads. I almost never get on an interstate
here. If you had stopped to give Maria a carrot, she would have told you
about some of them.

Bethany

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Hi from Lynchburg.  Tracfone towers must be healthy.  The whole row
of champagne glasses seems up no matter where I am.  I called Brad
to test it, and it worked great.  He perhaps reported since I told
him to tell Bethany that Knoxville sux -- the Kville vicinity that
is -- mainly to the southwest -- where I-75 hits I-40.  The traffic
jams cost me only a few hours because I shrewdly took an exit that
enabled me to cut a corner of the mess, ending up on Kingston Pike
way out in the boonies -- around Farragut.  I kept wondering if I
was somewhere near where Maria lives.  Anyway, Kville was still
horrific.  Am going to come back farther west.  A poor woman at the
Super 8 last night was saying that she didn't know how in the world
they were going to make it back to Alabama -- that Knoxville ate a
whole day out of their lives on their way up Saturday.

GOtta go.  See some of y'all soon.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Bonniemaev wrote:

> Rita sent a goody package for festers.

>  Wise
> woman.

Wonderful!

And I got the Acadiafest shirt today. I like it very much. And as it was sent
by urgent express mail it was brought right to me at home. After certfying
that I was I the package was given to me. The way of delivery, and the speed
of it was a pleasant surprise.

Kristin

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--On Monday, June 30, 2003 12:20 PM -0400 clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU wrote:

> The premise was that there was a rich guy
> who was a dead ringer for JC,

This reminds me of the time when I was a young tike in the 60s and was in
the grocery store with my Grandmother.  There was a college student with a
beard and long hair and I asked Gramma if he was Jesus.  She said no rather
quickly and I think he just smiled a bit.  "But he looks just like the
pictures!"

Terry

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I thought by now Tushar would surely be hopping to
jet, or perhaps a chartered yacht, to join the Yam
Festival, there to learn the Kama Wosi, with perhaps a
nod to the polenta and/or the macaroni.  Without doubt
he would be an avid participant in island life.

Wherever he is, we wish him, above all, a bless day.

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Rashmi:
> Bet I know who the mystery guests are ...

This post is even more content-free than
a Tushar/Borkin exchange.

jeez, say SOMETHING, fer krissakes.

--
or anything! <sound F/X: In Your Eyes>

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> jeez, say SOMETHING, fer krissakes.

     "How high's the water, Momma?"

JMW

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clo:
>the <contrivances> of the plot

Yes.  If you're going to have as
preposterous an explanation of
the Feeding of the Multitudes as
a catered affair, then do it right.

"Blessed are the WHO?  The cheesemakers?"

--
bwian

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clo:
>What an exciting life you lead! Hope it passes
>you by

No such luck, but it's only a fairly
weak TS, so the wind's not too bad.

The rain, of course, is another matter,
since, barring a Camille-type blob, the
flooding is usually what's trouble.

The ride home from work was what usually
happens with these heavy rains.  St. Anthony
street was a canal.  All the residents were
outside yelling at the jagoffs in their SUVs:

 SLOW DOWN!

It's not the water level so much, it's
wake created by (ibid.[jitS]) barrelling down
the street that gets into their houses.

Yakking on their cell phones, saying,
"Yeah, I'm on St. Anthony street, it's
really deep, I'd better go faster."

jagoffs.
--
Richard

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JMW:
>      "How high's the water, Momma?"

Usually not too high, at least not
for too long, in the Quarter.


P.S. to JMW (others need not apply):
Lileks had a pretty funny addition to
his food thing.  The Story of Bread.

Even though I swore I'd never visit
that fucking site again after he whined
whined WHINED about his wife getting
fired and how the starvation and misery
had already begun and OH I'M PO' but
don't hit the tip jar, I'll just expire
quietly here in the corner, if only my
daughter can survive...

Gimme yer take on that, if you choose.

Crikey, a fucking syndicated columnist
mated to a fucking lawyer BLEATING
after 15 minutes of being merely a
ONE-income family.

--
almost cut my hair (like his)

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Wow!  Bar Harbor must be closer than I thought.  I just mailed that
Saturday :-)

Enjoy!

Rita L.

Bonniemaev wrote:

> Rita sent a goody package for festers.  There are toys for the kids.
> They
> are trinkets for the adults.  There is a recipe for Natalie.  And for the
> hosts of Acadiafest, there is a bottle of headache medication.  Wise
> woman.  Thank you, Rita!  Glad you like the shirts.
>
>
> bonnie

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Seems like my email address just changed...oh, it did, on 2/12/02...but
thanks to mergers and acquisitions, it's changed again!

Effective immediately, my new home email address is adamh1@comcast.net.
Please update your address books accordingly. (*cough* this means you, my
sister Karen!!! *cough*)

My crusty old out-of-date webpage's address has changed to
http://home.comcast.net/~adamh1.

Sorry for the inconvenience. If this happens again within 18 months, that's
it, I'm buying a vanity domain name.

Yours,
--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:

>"Blessed are the WHO?  The cheesemakers?"

Only if they are Trappist monks. The ones at the Abbey of Gethsemani make
the best cheese in the U.S.

Bethany

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 From observations of the traffic and drivers, I can now conclude that the
season is in full force.  Shopping for groceries in Ellsworth today was an
adventure, what with the SUV drivers moving ahead, eyes fixed on the far
horizon, with a cell phone imbedded in their ear.  They might not be
creating the havoc that Richard has noted in somewhat-damp NO, but they are
a danger nonetheless.

The day began with temperatures slowly rising from the mid 60s to the mid
70s.  As I came back from Ellsworth, I cut through the Park.  At a couple
of points before my turnoff to my neighborhood, I could look out and see
the almost-always-present North Atlantic fog bank, sitting there perhaps
2-3 miles offshore.  A couple of hours later, the wind rose and sure
enough, with it, the cool breeze of the offshore wind, bringing with it the
temperatures of the fog.  Within an hour, the temperature had dropped from
75 F to 66.  Very pleasant for grilling chicken under a brick and sitting
outside later.

My hope is that this same weather scenario repeats itself during Acadiafest.

cwv

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I leave in 15 min. for an evening class. Three and a half hours in Basic
Rifle Instruction. My first crush was on The Rifleman...maybe that's why I
find rifles so sexy. Who knows. After learning more about them tonight, I
may not feel the same way...but I'll at least be able to cross off one more
thing off my list of stuff I wanna do before my life is over. Shooting a gun
is high on the list. This class is taught by an NRA instructor. It's in So.
San Francisco. Learning to shoot a gun is one of the more non-Ssn Franciscan
things I've ever done. Right up there with registering as a Republican.
Something about a rifle just symbolizes justice to me in a primitive
fashion.

On my way down, I'm going to try out a new tech gizmo...I have an iPod I use
to listen to music when I do my walks...and with this gizmo (I plug it into
my iPod), I can transmit my music through an FM stereo (in my car
f'rinstance). I read about it in the NYTimes Circuits column a week or so
ago. It looks so simple, it should work fine.

Sandra

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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> >"Blessed are the WHO?  The cheesemakers?"
>
> Only if they are Trappist monks. The ones at the Abbey of Gethsemani make
> the best cheese in the U.S.
>
> Bethany

'tis very nice cheese, indeed. I've bought it at holiday season. Given it as
gifts, even.

Sandra

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I just read that the newest installment of Big Brother (IV) will feature
people and some of their ex's. I don't know when it starts or when it's
on....but it sounds ugly and potentially explosive. A new low.

Sandra

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02003-06-30 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
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> > I feel very censored, usually.
> >
>
> How is this possible?
> <You> never attempt apologies.

I am really sorry that you excel at missing the points of posts!

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02003-07-01 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> human powered vehicle wrote:
>
> >This post is even more content-free than
> >a Tushar/Borkin exchange.
>
> What's this obsession, I don't get it. Anyway if you're
> looking for content, I suggest you stick to your cliquey
> insider list of posters.

Why, just because it's *cute*?

You truly excel at missing the points of posts, "Rashmi".

> >jeez, say SOMETHING, fer krissakes.
>
> SOMETHING. bwahahahaha!

Not something bwahahahaha!

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Ha! I went to Parisian today. I failed to find what I went there for, but
I did find a very stylish reversible microfiber <pantcoat> (their term) -
overpriced at $118 which, with the TN sales tax of 9.25% added, runs up to
$128.92. I offered to buy it at a discounted price. No dice. So they
offered to hold it for me for a few days. I agreed.

Then I got on the internet and immediately found in for $88 (no sales tax,
but there will be shipping, of course) at Nordstrom. It's on its way to
me.

And I don't have to drive back to West Town.

Bethany

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, sandra wrote:

>> Only if they are Trappist monks. The ones at the Abbey of Gethsemani make
>> the best cheese in the U.S.
>>
>
>'tis very nice cheese, indeed. I've bought it at holiday season. Given it as
>gifts, even.

It can now be ordered online year-round (free shipping):

        www.monks.org

Bethany

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02003-06-30 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I thought by now Tushar would surely be hopping to
> jet, or perhaps a chartered yacht, to join the Yam
> Festival, there to learn the Kama Wosi, with perhaps a
> nod to the polenta and/or the macaroni.  Without doubt
> he would be an avid participant in island life.
>
> Wherever he is, we wish him, above all, a bless day.

Thank you for understanding. I could definitely go for some yams
right now (an example of a truth known on the islands as "mokita").
Please refer to the following world-famous pre-candied-yam picture,
unfortunately not featuring the yams, and not on an island but in
Chicago ... http://samant.com/img/F/t.jpg

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human powered vehicle wrote:

>This post is even more content-free than
>a Tushar/Borkin exchange.

What's this obsession, I don't get it. Anyway if you're
looking for content, I suggest you stick to your cliquey
insider list of posters.

>jeez, say SOMETHING, fer krissakes.

SOMETHING. bwahahahaha!

-rashmi

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> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, human powered vehicle wrote:
> >
> > >"Blessed are the WHO?  The cheesemakers?"
> >
> > Only if they are Trappist monks. The ones at the Abbey of Gethsemani make
> > the best cheese in the U.S.
> >
> > Bethany

     "Oh, I don't think he meant just cheesemakers, my dear.  I'm sure he's
referring to all purveyors of dairy products."

JMW

PS - Notice I made no reference to your nose

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> And I got the Acadiafest shirt today. I like it very much. And as
> it was sent
> by urgent express mail it was brought right to me at home. After certfying
> that I was I the package was given to me. The way of delivery,
> and the speed
> of it was a pleasant surprise.

This means you have to wear it on your Sunday, which will be Saturday here
and Fest Day, right?

--Adam
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(Note: my email changed, just like Lisa's and as Alec warned)

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> > jeez, say SOMETHING, fer krissakes.
>
>      "How high's the water, Momma?"
>
> JMW

Five feet high, and rising.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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human powered vehicle wrote:

> P.S. to JMW (others need not apply):
> Lileks had a pretty funny addition to
> his food thing.  The Story of Bread.

     Yep.  And the postcard he put up last week was Main Street, Mesa,
Arizona circa 1961!

> Even though I swore I'd never visit
> that fucking site again after he whined
> whined WHINED about his wife getting
> fired and how the starvation and misery
> had already begun and OH I'M PO' but
> don't hit the tip jar, I'll just expire
> quietly here in the corner, if only my
> daughter can survive...

     Oh, comeon.  *One* Bleat.  And to be fair, there was quite a bit of
tut-tutting.

> Gimme yer take on that, if you choose.

    Between him and Gnat the toy bill must be incredible.

> Crikey, a fucking syndicated columnist
> mated to a fucking lawyer BLEATING
> after 15 minutes of being merely a
> ONE-income family.

     Well, yes, but then you look at what Andrew Sullivan pulled down
his last pledge week and it sort of puts it in perspective.  8-/
     We now return you to our regularly scheduled drivel.

JMW

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> I will be away from this computer from July 1 to July 21 and don't know
> how to set myself NO Mail  Would someone please do it for me?  I will
> have to take a lesson when I get back.

Done. Hope you had fun, not that you'll read this, since I already set you
nomail.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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S Hess wrote:

> Something about a rifle just symbolizes justice to me in a primitive
> fashion.

     Backchannel me a report, please,  Did he get much past the difference
between the big end, the loud end and "breathe, sight picture, squeeze" in three
hours?.  Oh, and remind me to introduce you to Mr. & Mrs. du Toit.  8-)

JMW

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> Thank you for understanding. I could definitely go
> for some yams
> right now (an example of a truth known on the
> islands as "mokita").
> Please refer to the following world-famous
> pre-candied-yam picture,
> unfortunately not featuring the yams, and not on an
> island but in
> Chicago ... http://samant.com/img/F/t.jpg

I have no doubt that a lot of "mokita" goes on around
the list, which means what is written is, well...

Looks like a charming meal, dished up, I'm sure, by a
superb cook from southern Chicago.

Lynne
I yam what I yam.



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Since I'm the one lameass who hasn't been to europe, here's my lameass
question.

IMFTATL,

In August we're flying to Berlin via Chicago and Frankfurt.  We'll be
checking a couple bags all the way.  May we check another bag to
Chicago only?  Any reason why not?

Would be good, as could then give it to my daughter, as it is for her
anyway.

dan


dan

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John Williams:
= S Hess wrote:
=
= > Something about a rifle just symbolizes justice to me in a primitive
= > fashion.
=
=      Backchannel me a report, please,  Did he get much past the difference

And then cc the rest of us in, ok?

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= Ha! I went to Parisian today. I failed to find what I went there for, but
= I did find a very stylish reversible microfiber <pantcoat> (their term) -
= overpriced at $118 which, with the TN sales tax of 9.25% added, runs up to
= $128.92. I offered to buy it at a discounted price. No dice. So they
= offered to hold it for me for a few days. I agreed.
=
= Then I got on the internet and immediately found in for $88 (no sales tax,
= but there will be shipping, of course) at Nordstrom. It's on its way to
= me.
=
= And I don't have to drive back to West Town.
=
= Bethany

What I want to know is, why didn't you just search the web for
what you failed to find at Parisian, since it's what you wanted
in the first place?

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Adam Hartfield:
=
= Sorry for the inconvenience. If this happens again within 18 months, that's
= it, I'm buying a vanity domain name.
=

Why not skip the bother and do it now?

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Bethany:

>Ha! I went to Parisian today. I failed to find what I went there for, but
>I did find a very stylish reversible microfiber <pantcoat> (their term) -
>overpriced at $118 which, with the TN sales tax of 9.25% added, runs up to
>$128.92. I offered to buy it at a discounted price.

"offered to buy it at a discounted price" - QOTD.

-rashmi

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Tushar:
> > human powered vehicle wrote:
> >
> > >This post is even more content-free than
> > >a Tushar/Borkin exchange.
> >
> > What's this obsession, I don't get it. Anyway if you're
> > looking for content, I suggest you stick to your cliquey
> > insider list of posters.

>Why, just because it's *cute*?

Dude, I can kick your butt when it comes to posting
content-free but concede to human powered vehicle
in the cute department.

>You truly excel at missing the points of posts, "Rashmi".

Yikes, it's the dreaded scare quotes.

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02003-07-01 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Dude, I can kick your butt

Natalie! Somebody's being mean!

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> Thank you for understanding. I could definitely go for some yams
> right now (an example of a truth known on the islands as "mokita").
> Please refer to the following world-famous pre-candied-yam picture,
> unfortunately not featuring the yams, and not on an island but in
> Chicago ... http://samant.com/img/F/t.jpg

That's a very meatless meal.

:/

Sandra

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Tushar Samant:
= 02003-07-01 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
= > Dude, I can kick your butt
=
= Natalie! Somebody's being mean!

Oh, it's no use crying to her, you pansy assed mamma's boy.

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steph:
> Tushar Samant:
> = 02003-07-01 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> = > Dude, I can kick your butt
> =
> = Natalie! Somebody's being mean!
>
> Oh, it's no use crying to her, you pansy assed mamma's boy.

Yeah, you big girl's blouse!

Ann

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The Norway Bus Express runs some of the airport buses in Oslo including the oine which stops near our home. But last Tuesday we were out on the Greyhound bus version of NBE: In fact it as a joint opereation run by a group of local bus companies from different parts of Norway. The price for a round trip Oslo-Volda-Oslo is about the same as a cheap plain fare Oslo-Bergen-Oslo but it was not a plane like ride. For one thing the bus stopped in many places. For another there was an included break at a road café where we could have lunch/dinner. The food wasn't terribly good in either direction )going up and back), and the driver used the food stop to get back on schedule so instead of 45 minutes we had 30-35 minutes. But it was fun, and the secenerey was great almost all the way. There is a lot more to see when you travel by road and as a passanger than wehn you fly or drive a car.

Volda is beautiful and at times there is sunshine there. I have films to develop, and there will be gifs. But maybe first after I have been in Bergen on the upcoming weekend and have shot off another roll of film with pictures of my granddaughter and her mother.

We went to Volda to visit Ingjerd's two old spinster great-aunts, one is 90 and the other 88. They are both very (Lutheran) Christian and are proud that there has never been a drop of alcohol inside their doors. But they are also intelligent, funny and very much updated on news etc. They both used to be teachers but I believe they didn't move together until they were pendioned. The house lies in a roaf named after their father (Ingjerd's great-grandfather) and has a beautiful garden - still. The gardening sister hasn't been able to do anything in the garden for a couple of years, so even if a neighbour-boy has mowed the grass there are lots of weeds coming in. But the garden is still there, and the flowers, and we spent quite afew hours there just reading and relaxing. I am not sure but their house may be the white one visible just on top of the tree-branches in the right part of the tree on the left in the photo:
http://www.volda.org/bilete.php?vis_bilde=107
This photo must have been taken when we were there.

There was also a "nynorsk"-festival - celebrating the version of Norwegian I am *not* using, and here is a phto from the harbour which must have been taken when we were ten meters to the right of the photo's edge:
http://www.volda.org/bilete.php?vis_bilde=108

Volda also has it's own mountain:
http://www.volda.org/bilete.php?vis_bilde=56

Espen

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"offered to buy it at a discounted price" - QOTD.

also ran:

"weather scenario"

AS

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

>>$128.92. I offered to buy it at a discounted price.
>
>"offered to buy it at a discounted price" - QOTD.

You may quote freely!

(Keep in mind that here at least all department stores put all items on
sale during the week of July 4. They were crazy not to sell it to me.)

Bethany

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, steph wrote:

>What I want to know is, why didn't you just search the web for
>what you failed to find at Parisian, since it's what you wanted
>in the first place?

Because the item that I need - the one that I went to Parisian to look
for - I need this week. I am still looking for it locally.

Bethany

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. . now Buddy Hackett.


           - D. M.

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7/1/2003, 5:24 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:


BKD> (Keep in mind that here at least all department stores put all items on
BKD> sale during the week of July 4. They were crazy not to sell it to me.)

    But do you think that some random sales clerk would be able to
    decide to do so?

dan

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>BKD> (Keep in mind that here at least all department stores put all items on
>BKD> sale during the week of July 4. They were crazy not to sell it to me.)
>
>    But do you think that some random sales clerk would be able to
>    decide to do so?

No. But I was not dealing with a <random> sales clerk. And I offered her
the option of consulting with someone else.

Bethany

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JMW:
>Oh, comeon.  *One* Bleat.  And to be fair, there
>was quite a bit of tut-tutting.

A bit too much, methinks.

It's been suggested to me that it's
a joke I don't get, or perhaps a
piece of performance art.  So I've
decided to be, heh, charitable and
leave it at that.

But I have a better understanding of
why Natalie thinks Rich Republicans
come from another planet.

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-rashmi:
>I suggest you stick to your cliquey
>insider list of posters.

My _what_?

You mean I'm finally one of the cool kids?

> >jeez, say SOMETHING, fer krissakes.
> SOMETHING. bwahahahaha!

I know you are, but what am I?

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"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:

> It's been suggested to me that it's
> a joke I don't get, or perhaps a
> piece of performance art.  So I've
> decided to be, heh, charitable and
> leave it at that.

    Mebbe.  He says today that in NO he's regarded as a God, or
something like that.  I wondered if you'd been backchanneling him.  8-)

JMW

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"C.Q. Featherstonehaugh" wrote:

>
> But I have a better understanding of
> why Natalie thinks Rich Republicans
> come from another planet.

    Rich people, period.

JMW

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> No. But I was not dealing with a <random> sales
> clerk. And I offered her
> the option of consulting with someone else.
>
> Bethany

Bethany's generosity to non-random sales clerks shall
become part of the Lore of the List.


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> Why not skip the bother and do it now?

Because it's yet MORE change of address notices I have to send, and all
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--Adam
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At 10:37 AM 7/1/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>steph:
> > Tushar Samant:
> > = 02003-07-01 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > = > Dude, I can kick your butt
> > =
> > = Natalie! Somebody's being mean!
> >
> > Oh, it's no use crying to her, you pansy assed mamma's boy.
>
>Yeah, you big girl's blouse!
>
>Ann

LOL

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02003-06-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Chicago ... http://samant.com/img/F/t.jpg
>
> That's a very meatless meal.
>
> :/

We had a delightfully festive Cosmopolitan later ...

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>
> . . now Buddy Hackett.
>
>
>            - D. M.

I once rented a VHS of a comedy act he did in Vegas. He was the bluest
performer I've ever watched. A far cry from his Herbie The Love Bug days.

Sandra

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> You truly excel at missing the points of posts, "Rashmi".
>

She gets compliments and you feel sorry for me. You must truly love me,
Tushar. Marie will be devastated.

clo
back from Seattle
watch out world

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, steph wrote:

> steph:
> > Tushar Samant:
> > = 02003-07-01 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > = > Dude, I can kick your butt
> > =
> > = Natalie! Somebody's being mean!
> >
> > Oh, it's no use crying to her, you pansy assed mamma's boy.
>
> Yeah, you big girl's blouse!
>
> Ann
>
Whew, Tushar, glad all the bad kids are gone so you can post freely!
clo

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7/1/2003, 8:47 AM, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> No. But I was not dealing with a <random> sales
>> clerk. And I offered her
>> the option of consulting with someone else.
>>
>> Bethany

LW> Bethany's generosity to non-random sales clerks shall
LW> become part of the Lore of the List.

I bit my tongue on that one first time by.  I did think it was mighty
magnanimous of her to give the clerk permission to ask her supervisor
or colleague for advice or assistance.  I guess I still do.

dan

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7/1/2003, 10:56 AM, Tushar Samant wrote:

TS> 02003-06-30 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
>> > Chicago ... http://samant.com/img/F/t.jpg
>>
>> That's a very meatless meal.
>>
>> :/

TS> We had a delightfully festive Cosmopolitan later ...

   Which of the "Six Ways to Please Your Man" did you try out?

dan

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> >
> > . . now Buddy Hackett.
> >
> >
> >            - D. M.
>
> I once rented a VHS of a comedy act he did in Vegas. He was the bluest
> performer I've ever watched. A far cry from his Herbie The Love Bug
days.
>
> Sandra


I saw the live act in Vegas.  It was horrible.

                - D. M.

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dan Lester wrote:

>I bit my tongue on that one first time by.  I did think it was mighty
>magnanimous of her to give the clerk permission to ask her supervisor
>or colleague for advice or assistance.  I guess I still do.
>

So you all just pay whatever price happens to be posted? I gave that
up many years ago. Most prices are negotiable. Yes, even in dep't stores.

Bethany

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> John Williams:
> = S Hess wrote:
> =
> = > Something about a rifle just symbolizes justice to me in a primitive
> = > fashion.
> =
> =      Backchannel me a report, please,  Did he get much past the
> difference
>
> And then cc the rest of us in, ok? (steph)

The class was at Jackson Arms in So. SF. I've been to a couple of gun shows
(back in my political days they were a great resource for signatures for
petitions...and recently, Dave took me to one at the Cow Palace) but I've
never been to a gun shop/shooting range. Me and three guys (one named Travis
which seemed plus perfect). After reviewing Safety and all the parts to a
gun (we only looked at 22s)...we loaded them all (bolt, magazine, lever &
semiautomatic), we turn turns on the range. Mostly shooting from the most
stable position (prone). I don't like that position and it doesn't strike me
as much of a "defend your home" kind of pose. It was a lot of fun and I
didn't do too badly. I prefer shooting in the classic standing pose and WITH
A SCOPE (what a difference that makes). I might think about getting a bolt
action rifle with a magazine (one that holds 10 bullets) and a scope. If you
rent a gun at a range, you have to go with someone (it's the law....to
prevent people from going to a range to rent a gun to commit suicide). But
if you own a gun, you don't have to go with someone. I'd need to get eye &
ear protection. I expected more recoil....there was none, really. But, next
to us, some guy was shooting with some heavy duty shotgun and it seemed to
outpower our measly 22s by a hundredfold. I don't see myself being
interested in hunting, but target practice would be fun. He didn't teach me
anything about maintenance. But I did get a certificate! (I hate
certificates and trophies...I mean...who cares??) The instructor was very
thorough and helpful. In CA, soon we'll have to pass a 40 question test to
own a handgun but no such thing for a rifle. I don't understand why they do
it for one but not the other. I need to know more about safety and the rules
of ownership before I invest in something.

First, I'm getting a bicyle. A good friend of mine (met him online some 7 or
so years ago) just purchased a new fancy mountain bike and he sent me an
email yesterday asking if I'd like to borrow his old one to see how
interested I am in biking (his favorite thing to do). Nice of him and since
he loves going to Cajun Pacific, I think a day of biking and chowing down is
in order. So, today, I'm going to look at bike helmets. I am, however, *not*
a spandex  kinda girl. He is normally very subdued in how he dresses (and
from his outfits, I'd say he's colorblind ;)  ) ...but he says when he
bikes, he wants to be *visible* so he wears very colorful spandex. I think
I'm more of an LLBean kinda bicyle dresser. I don't have a spandex body.
Turns out, he also has a 22 from long ago up at his mom's house in
Marysville. I'm hoping he'll get it the next time he visits her and then we
can go to the range together.

Sandra

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02003-07-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> Whew, Tushar, [content-free post]

Jeez, say SOMETHING fer krissakes!

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> 02003-07-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > Whew, Tushar, [content-free post]
>
> Jeez, say SOMETHING fer krissakes!

I'm heading out to pay my folks' bills.

www.jumble.com  (I love doing these)

Have fun with it.

Sandra

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> > 02003-07-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> > > Whew, Tushar, [content-free post]
> >
> > Jeez, say SOMETHING fer krissakes!
>
> I'm heading out to pay my folks' bills.
>
> www.jumble.com  (I love doing these)
>
> Have fun with it.
>
> Sandra

I whipped through the last three but the first threw me.

Sandra

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, sandra wrote:

>First, I'm getting a bicyle. A good friend of mine (met him online some 7 or
>so years ago) just purchased a new fancy mountain bike and he sent me an
>email yesterday asking if I'd like to borrow his old one to see how
>interested I am in biking (his favorite thing to do). Nice of him and since

Cool. I will get one after I move from the Old City. Let us know what you
get, please.

Bethany

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= I'm more of an LLBean kinda bicyle dresser. I don't have a spandex body.
=
= Sandra

Thanks for the shooting story.  It sound like you had a great
time.  Or at least that you got what you were after.

I was going to say that everyone has a spandex body, but actually
my bike shaped shorts are mostly cotten with a little bit of
spandex.  They're comfortable and they don't ride up.

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02003-07-01 | sandra <sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM> writes:
> > Jeez, say SOMETHING fer krissakes!
>
> I'm heading out to pay my folks' bills.
>
> www.jumble.com  (I love doing these)

Thanks a LOT for reminding me of my thought processes!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

  02003-07-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
  > Whew, Tushar, [content-free post]

  Jeez, say SOMETHING fer krissakes!

Be careful what you wish for.

I flew to Seattle, arriving late at night to be greeted warmly in
baggage by Rangers RiffRaff and Captain Conundrum.
Here is the car I rode in
<http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/New%20Jitney/index.html>.
and here is where I went:
<http://www.lakebronson.com/>
to do this:
<http://www.djdiem.com/critical_mass_nn4.html>
Here's one person who took a picture of me:
<http://www.digitalpanos.com/
and here's a guy I spent a lot of time with:
<http://www.arfarfarf.com/pyroboy/pyroboy.html>

and here's how my life was for 4 days:
a) people who make their living from art took my art
seriously
b) people whom I found interesting and fun to be with wanted
to spend time talking and hanging out with me
c) I lived in a world in which things like staying up
late at night, having commitments outside of work, kuche, and
kinder, and exploring interests as they arise are considered <normal>,
not "perverted" and "irresponsible".

Then I took the redeye back to Albany, drove 3 hrs on
2 hrs sleep, and here I am back at work as if nothing
happened, waiting for stbex to fly back from a tour of
the Andersen Window factory in MN, at 10 pm tonight.

How was your weekend, dear heart?

clo

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><http://www.lakebronson.com/>

Did you go naked?


alec



>to do this:
><http://www.djdiem.com/critical_mass_nn4.html>
>Here's one person who took a picture of me:
><http://www.digitalpanos.com/
>and here's a guy I spent a lot of time with:
><http://www.arfarfarf.com/pyroboy/pyroboy.html>
>
>and here's how my life was for 4 days:
>a) people who make their living from art took my art
>seriously
>b) people whom I found interesting and fun to be with wanted
>to spend time talking and hanging out with me
>c) I lived in a world in which things like staying up
>late at night, having commitments outside of work, kuche, and
>kinder, and exploring interests as they arise are considered <normal>,
>not "perverted" and "irresponsible".
>
>Then I took the redeye back to Albany, drove 3 hrs on
>2 hrs sleep, and here I am back at work as if nothing
>happened, waiting for stbex to fly back from a tour of
>the Andersen Window factory in MN, at 10 pm tonight.
>
>How was your weekend, dear heart?
>
>clo
>

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From: Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: how to shop
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> So you all just pay whatever price happens to be
> posted? I gave that
> up many years ago. Most prices are negotiable. Yes,
> even in dep't stores.
>
> Bethany

Prices or costs of things over which we probably
should not haggle:

1.  Dinner at a first class restaurant (or hot dog
stand)
2.  The power bill
3.  Room and board at Furrwhatevers
4.  Gas for our SUV's
5.  College tuition
6.  Property taxes
7.  Funeral sprays
8.  Clothing in department stores

  The most comprehensive reason for not haggling over
these things lies in the fact that it wouldn't do a
bit of good, and is a waste of time.


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Captain Conundrum:
Are you naked under there? [that long shirt]
Me:
Always. Clothing is only skin deep.

It was 80 and sunny. You couldn't get into the beach with clothes
on. What do you think? That's not a big deal, especially at my age.
When younger (and more fit), I lived in a clothing-optional apartment
complex in Austin (keep Austin weird!).

Why, do you want pictures? Oh, yeah, you're the T man, right?
You'd probably like the demi-bra - as - top photos better.
clo


"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

  ><http://www.lakebronson.com/>

  Did you go naked?

  alec

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Prices or costs of things over which we probably >should not haggle:
>
>1.  Dinner at a first class restaurant (or hot dog >stand)
>2.  The power bill
>3.  Room and board at Furrwhatevers
>4.  Gas for our SUV's
>5.  College tuition
>6.  Property taxes
>7.  Funeral sprays
>8.  Clothing in department stores
>
>  The most comprehensive reason for not haggling over >these things lies
in the fact that it wouldn't do a >bit of good, and is a waste of time.

I never haggle - but I also never pay absurd prices for items that are
marked up to absurd prices.

Oh - what's this? Ah - the $26 bucks I saved yesteday by not paying an
absurd price!

(What is a funeral spray? A cologne?)

And what's this? Oh - never mind. You don't want to know.

Bethany

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:31 PM
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>Subject: Re: whtmis (was Re: Eight days until fest)
>
>
>Captain Conundrum:
>Are you naked under there? [that long shirt]
>Me:
>Always. Clothing is only skin deep.
>
>It was 80 and sunny. You couldn't get into the beach with clothes
>on. What do you think? That's not a big deal, especially at my age.
>When younger (and more fit), I lived in a clothing-optional apartment
>complex in Austin (keep Austin weird!).
>

Cool!

>Why, do you want pictures? Oh, yeah, you're the T man, right?
>You'd probably like the demi-bra - as - top photos better.
>clo

No pics needed.

alec

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02003-07-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
>   02003-07-01 | clostran@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU writes:
>   > Whew, Tushar, [content-free post]
>
>   Jeez, say SOMETHING fer krissakes!
>
> Be careful what you wish for.
>
> I flew to Seattle, arriving late at night to be greeted warmly in
> baggage by Rangers RiffRaff and Captain Conundrum.
> Here is the car I rode in
> <http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/New%20Jitney/index.html>.
> and here is where I went:
> <http://www.lakebronson.com/>
> to do this:
> <http://www.djdiem.com/critical_mass_nn4.html>
> Here's one person who took a picture of me:
> <http://www.digitalpanos.com/
> and here's a guy I spent a lot of time with:
> <http://www.arfarfarf.com/pyroboy/pyroboy.html>

Nice T-shirt!

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
> No pics needed.
>
> alec

Good, because I don't actually have any. As far as I know, all pics taken
at the event were of faces and art.
clo

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It's not often that you get to say, now THAT's a true mac --

<http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/New%20Jitney/IMG_0056.html>

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At 09:20 PM 7/1/2003 +0200, steph wrote:
>= I'm more of an LLBean kinda bicyle dresser. I don't have a spandex body.
>=
>= Sandra
>
>Thanks for the shooting story.  It sound like you had a great
>time.  Or at least that you got what you were after.
>
>I was going to say that everyone has a spandex body, but actually
>my bike shaped shorts are mostly cotten with a little bit of
>spandex.  They're comfortable and they don't ride up.

I wear spandex bike shorts with regular, baggy shorts over the ugly spandex.

Why two pairs? Because on long rides or when I'm out bumping a long a
trail, I like the padding the bike shorts provide. However, I don't want my
fat ass bulging out of the spandex.

I do not wear a "flashy" top. Mostly because they cost around $85 and I
just can't spend that on a shirt. I usually wear a light color t-shirt and
when I bike to work, along busy roads, I'm sure to wear Tina's yellow helmet.

lisa

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> Here is the car I rode in
> <http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/New%20Jitney/index.html>.

That poor Buick! Heh.

> and here's how my life was for 4 days:

[snip]

Sounds like you had a great time! Good for you.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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> (What is a funeral spray? A cologne?)

A funeral spray is a big display of flowers at a funeral. It's usually in a
fan shape.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net
Here's one for Six Feet Under

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At 05:10 PM 7/1/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > (What is a funeral spray? A cologne?)
>
>A funeral spray is a big display of flowers at a funeral. It's usually in a
>fan shape.

Thzt's what confused her.  In the southeast, they call them "Them danged
big flaar 'rangements"

cwv

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Thanks (apparently) to t.d. Bill, the forecast for the 5th is (albeit
vague) for "showers and thunderstorms likely, mainly in the afternoon and
evening."  Because the bash scheduled at our place for the 5th must be an
outdoor thing, we may want to reschedule for the 4th.  Bonnie is off at
Hearthside, inn-sitting, so we haven't had an opportunity to discuss
this.  Anyhow, please keep your late afternoon-early evening schedules
flexible, for now.

cwv

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7/1/2003, 11:23 AM, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>I bit my tongue on that one first time by.  I did think it was mighty
>>magnanimous of her to give the clerk permission to ask her supervisor
>>or colleague for advice or assistance.  I guess I still do.
>>

BKD> So you all just pay whatever price happens to be posted? I gave that
BKD> up many years ago. Most prices are negotiable. Yes, even in dep't stores.

   That wasn't the point, Bethany.  The point was about you giving her
   PERMISSION to do something.

dan

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I know that if I find out who he (or they) is, I will sue him for
charges I've had to pay for a check that bounce and for any
other charges I'm having to pay.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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I understand that some are enroute . .
That some are preparing for those enroute . .
That it's nice to take a few moments of silence
   to honor the approaching holiday . .
That it's the night before Hump Wednesday . .
. . . .
. . . .
But this is ridiculous!

            - D. M.

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> = I'm more of an LLBean kinda bicyle dresser. I don't have a spandex body.
> =
> = Sandra
>
> Thanks for the shooting story.  It sound like you had a great
> time.  Or at least that you got what you were after.
>
(steph)

My favorite part of the evening was when exiting, one of the other students
turned and said "goodnight everyone, and thank you for not shooting me."

We were all very concerned about our aim and stray bullets. As it turns out,
my aim is better than my sense of direction.

Sandra

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funny...

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>...  go to www.google.com and enter the string "weapons of mass
>destruction" . Then push the I'm feeling lucky button. Read the error
>page .... :-)

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> I never haggle - but I also never pay absurd prices
> for items that are
> marked up to absurd prices.
>
> Oh - what's this? Ah - the $26 bucks I saved
> yesteday by not paying an
> absurd price!
>
> (What is a funeral spray? A cologne?)
>
> And what's this? Oh - never mind. You don't want to
> know.
>
> Bethany

A funeral spray is a floral arrangement sent to a
funeral or funerary service in respect.  I'm sure it
is a regional expression.

Now, then, if the seller of an object has in mind a
price he wants for that object, and the buyer has
another idea of what she wants to pay for that object,
they may be able to strike a happy medium (not Marty
Feldman).  What would you call the process by which
this agreement was reached?

There is no pint in haggling over haggling, as it is
in large part a matter of Samantics.


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--- Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> It's not often that you get to say, now THAT's a
> true mac --
>
>
<http://www.playacruizers.com/images/Art_Cars/New%20Jitney/IMG_0056.html>

These things SPAWN in Chicago?


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--- Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
> I understand that some are enroute . .
> That some are preparing for those enroute . .
> That it's nice to take a few moments of silence
>    to honor the approaching holiday . .
> That it's the night before Hump Wednesday . .
> . . . .
> . . . .
> But this is ridiculous!
>
>             - D. M.

Come, D.M., tell us something entertaining and
whimsical.


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> But this is ridiculous!

Rashmi arrived here in West Springfield, along with Emily Horning who drove
up for dinner, and the three of us met my sister Melanie at our favorite
Japanese/Chinese restaurant. No etched glass panels were broken (although we
did admire them) and Rashmi has proclaimed that they are in a sushi coma. I
am not because I had more sashimi than sushi, and Emily had Chinese food.

The Fest Location Oracle has given out vibes as to the tentative location of
the 2004 fest. The Great Oracle consulted her Ouija board, fortune cookie,
and tea leaves, and will contact the closest Wordslers to the tentative site
to see if they are amenable. When such contact will happen is unknown.

--Adam
adamh1@comcast.net

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Now, then, if the seller of an object has in mind a >price he wants for
that object, and the buyer has >another idea of what she wants to pay for
that object, >they may be able to strike a happy medium (not Marty
>Feldman).  What would you call the process by which >this agreement was
reached?
>
>There is no pint in haggling over haggling, as it is >in large part a
matter of Samantics.

In the sucky south, <haggling> is endless picky negotiating over tiny
amounts of money. It is different from what I might call negotiating,
which pretty much consists of offer - counteroffer - resolution.

<Samantics>? Where does that take place?

Bethany

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>
> Come, D.M., tell us something entertaining and
> whimsical.

- Lynne


If I knew anything that fit that category I would
certainly repeat it.  Unfortunately I'm drawing a
blank.  I was counting on the list for entertainment.
Oh well.

          - D. M.

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On 1 Jul 2003 at 21:41, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> The Fest Location Oracle has given out vibes as to the tentative location
> of the 2004 fest. The Great Oracle consulted her Ouija board, fortune
> cookie, and tea leaves, and will contact the closest Wordslers to the
> tentative site to see if they are amenable.

Who is closest to Namibia?

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Dear all,

Having a wonderful time, very restful after the stress of Actually Working.

Haven't even read e-mail, but thought I'd take this opportunity to drop in
unannounced. I will be thinking of the festers on the 5th.

Happy Canada Day, Paul. (And Tony.:) )

Karen

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sandra wrote:

> My favorite part of the evening was when exiting, one of the other students
> turned and said "goodnight everyone, and thank you for not shooting me."

    I'm not surprised.  8-<

> We were all very concerned about our aim and stray bullets. As it turns out,
> my aim is better than my sense of direction.

     Okay, first, NO ONE gets ANYWHERE near a firearm without getting The
Speech.  Secondly, no playing without eye and ear protection.  No excuses.  If
your "instructor" didn't stress that it should have been a range requirement.
     Are you *sure* he's NRA certificated?  If so, let me know backchannel, and
if you don't want to blow beans on him I will.  He sounds dangerous to me.  And
I'd find a new range if they went along with him on this if I were you.  Shout
at me backchannel and I'll find you a new range and a competent instructor.
     Don't get me wrong.  I'm pleased that you had a pleasant introduction to
the shooting sports, and it can give you a lifetime of recreation, but what you
have said sets off at least five warning bells in my brain.  Don't let your
desire to be anti-Bay Area to blind you to common sense and self-preservation.

JMW

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I understand that some are enroute . .
> That some are preparing for those enroute . .
> That it's nice to take a few moments of silence
>    to honor the approaching holiday . .
> That it's the night before Hump Wednesday . .

    ...and some of us are packing like bastards!

JMW

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On 1 Jul 2003 at 21:54, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> <Samantics>? Where does that take place?

On this list just about every damn day. Unless maybe it's flooding
in Chicago and the electricity is out.

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At 09:54 PM 7/1/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>In the sucky south, <haggling> is endless picky negotiating over tiny
>amounts of money. It is different from what I might call negotiating,
>which pretty much consists of offer - counteroffer - resolution.

Do you haggle a lot, Bethany? Doesn't sound like much fun. How much time do
you spend haggling?

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> In the sucky south, <haggling> is endless picky
> negotiating over tiny
> amounts of money. It is different from what I might
> call negotiating,
> which pretty much consists of offer - counteroffer -
> resolution.
>
> <Samantics>? Where does that take place?

Every day on this list.
>
> Bethany

Don't knock "sucky" haggling, it's almost a lost art.
And it really has more to do with one-up-man-ship than
prices.  Call it what you will - negotiating,
arbitrating, haggling - I just never heard of it done
in a department store before - even with a sales clerk
specially chosen for the deed.


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--- "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
wrote:
> On 1 Jul 2003 at 21:54, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>
> > <Samantics>? Where does that take place?
>
> On this list just about every damn day. Unless maybe
> it's flooding
> in Chicago and the electricity is out.

Thank you, mem.


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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, John Williams wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I understand that some are enroute . .
> > That some are preparing for those enroute . .
> > That it's nice to take a few moments of silence
> >    to honor the approaching holiday . .
> > That it's the night before Hump Wednesday . .
>
>     ...and some of us are packing like bastards!
>
> JMW
>

not to mention those working on 3 hours sleep
clo

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Theo writes,

>Then there's sambal batjek, a milder version. I hope I spelled that right.

Looks like it's spelled "badjak" or "bajak".

Pete

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I bet I'm the only Wordsler who kissed the brother of BrP last
night in a Thai restaurant.

Other comments: It's a long drive from Lynchburg to Providence.
I love that my little car is averaging just under 50 mpg -- with
a/c, in mountaints, etc.  49.something.  The stretch from this
side of the Tappan Zee Bridge to north of New Haven is almost as
bad as Knoxville, at least if you hit it at rush hour.  Mules was
wise to leave NJ -- the drivers there are rude, especially if you
pause an instant to read the sign to find out how much money to
toss into the basket on the GS Parkway -- they honk in an assholy
way.

It's onward to Leaping Larry's today.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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Yesterday we saw Costa-Gavras' movie "Z". It was the first time for Ingjerd but we both found that it is an extremely good film. In some ways similar to Dr. Strangelove but lacking some of the humour. On the other hand it is mostly real, a factr based film.

Espen

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

>Do you haggle a lot, Bethany? Doesn't sound like much fun. How much time do
>you spend haggling?

As I said - no, I never haggle. Please pay attention.

Bethany

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> <Samantics>? Where does that take place?
>
>Every day on this list.

I have not yet met Sam.

>Don't knock "sucky" haggling, it's almost a lost art.
>And it really has more to do with one-up-man-ship than
>prices.  Call it what you will - negotiating,
>arbitrating, haggling - I just never heard of it done
>in a department store before - even with a sales clerk
>specially chosen for the deed.

Interesting - I have yet to observe haggling in a department store!

Bethany

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Rashmi and I are about to go have breakfast at Fran's, and then run a few
errands, and then we will be en route to Bar Harbor. We plan to get there
mid-to-late afternoon.

--Adam

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At 07:44 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> >Do you haggle a lot, Bethany? Doesn't sound like much fun. How much time do
> >you spend haggling?
>
>As I said - no, I never haggle. Please pay attention.

Pay how much?

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At 08:33 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>Rashmi and I are about to go have breakfast at Fran's, and then run a few
>errands, and then we will be en route to Bar Harbor. We plan to get there
>mid-to-late afternoon.

What did you do with Emily? I wish she were attending.

We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.

Betty

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

>>As I said - no, I never haggle. Please pay attention.
>
>Pay how much?

A ten tion. But because you asked nicely, you get a 10% discount. So - a
nine tion.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
=
= >Do you haggle a lot, Bethany? Doesn't sound like much fun. How much time do
= >you spend haggling?
=
= As I said - no, I never haggle. Please pay attention.
=
= Bethany

And how many hours a week do you spend on negotiation?

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>
> Interesting - I have yet to observe haggling in a
> department store!
>
> Bethany

Negotiating in a department store will be a first for
me, as well. But the coat is coming from Ebay, right?


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In a message dated 7/2/2003 8:48:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM writes:
<<
>
>Interesting - I have yet to observe haggling in a
>department store!
>
>Bethany

Negotiating in a department store will be a first for
me, as well. But the coat is coming from Ebay, right?

>>

Oh, I can tell you some customers, especially men from the
Middle East, try their darndest to haggle.

Evelyn Duncan
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My reality check bounced.

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At 06:30 AM 7/2/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
 >We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
>another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
>upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
>weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.

The proguesstigators are still being vague.  The fall-back plan may be
simply to begin festivities here on the 5th earlier, like early
afternoon.  Often such storm paths (especially those with thunderstorms)
stay on the mainland.

cwv

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At 09:53 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:30 AM 7/2/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
> >We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
>>another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
>>upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
>>weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.
>
>The proguesstigators are still being vague.  The fall-back plan may be
>simply to begin festivities here on the 5th earlier, like early
>afternoon.  Often such storm paths (especially those with thunderstorms)
>stay on the mainland.

Early afternoon sounds good. I thought that was the original plan in the
Q&A but we'll do whatever you want.

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>We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
>another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
>upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
>weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.
>
>Betty

I'd like to respond to this header with a "yes, we are <en route> to
Monhegan Island.  We left the back door unlocked.  Have fun.  Somebody
remember to feed the cats."  But I won't be that cruel.

We are almost ready.  The two cheesecakes have been baked.  The five pork
loins have been grilled.  The house is half cleaned.  We are going to go
take a break from cleaning and get the newspapers and a latte down in the
village.

Everyone have a safe journey and see you soon.


bonnie

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:

> At 08:33 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >Rashmi and I are about to go have breakfast at Fran's, and then run a few
> >errands, and then we will be en route to Bar Harbor. We plan to get there
> >mid-to-late afternoon.
>
> What did you do with Emily? I wish she were attending.
>
> We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
> another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
> upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
> weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.
>
> Betty
>
I wish you all safe travels.

Betty, please remember my t-shirt.

Sharon

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At 08:29 AM 7/2/2003 -0700, Sharon Ziperovich wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> > At 08:33 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > >Rashmi and I are about to go have breakfast at Fran's, and then run a few
> > >errands, and then we will be en route to Bar Harbor. We plan to get there
> > >mid-to-late afternoon.
> >
> > What did you do with Emily? I wish she were attending.
> >
> > We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
> > another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
> > upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
> > weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.
> >
> > Betty
> >
>I wish you all safe travels.
>
>Betty, please remember my t-shirt.

Right!  I wonder if the Kaminski's are there yet?

Betty

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Negotiating in a department store will be a first for
>me, as well. But the coat is coming from Ebay, right?

no

Bethany

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In a message dated 7/2/2003 5:55:44 AM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

>Interesting - I have yet to observe haggling in a department store!
>
Same goes for me. Theo

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Someone asked how much time I spend negotiating each week - I seem to have
lost the post - but I think I probably spend 10-12 minutes per week
negotiating, on average.

Bethany

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I think you are very brave, and I hope the latte was heavenly.
clo

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:

>
> I'd like to respond to this header with a "yes, we are <en route> to
> Monhegan Island.  We left the back door unlocked.  Have fun.  Somebody
> remember to feed the cats."  But I won't be that cruel.
>
> We are almost ready.  The two cheesecakes have been baked.  The five pork
> loins have been grilled.  The house is half cleaned.  We are going to go
> take a break from cleaning and get the newspapers and a latte down in the
> village.
>
> Everyone have a safe journey and see you soon.
>
>
> bonnie

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> Yesterday we saw Costa-Gavras' movie "Z". It was the first time
> for Ingjerd but we both found that it is an extremely good film.
> In some ways similar to Dr. Strangelove but lacking some of the
> humour. On the other hand it is mostly real, a factr based film.
>
> Espen


It's on my NetFlix list (has been for ages). I'm watching FRIDA...and
enjoying it.

Sandra

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At 07:36 PM 7/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I understand that some are enroute . .
>That some are preparing for those enroute . .
>That it's nice to take a few moments of silence
>    to honor the approaching holiday . .
>That it's the night before Hump Wednesday . .
>. . . .
>. . . .
>But this is ridiculous!
>
>             - D. M.


Here's a long-ish email about my boring, mundane life. It might not be much
but it's mail in your box.

My week so Far
By Lisa Alfieri

Monday I biked to work. This is the first time I've been on my bike since I
hurt both legs in separate incidents. The calf muscle was a little sore
every now and then but for the most part I was fine.

Monday night I stopped off at the gym, used the nautilus machines and then
biked home in a down pour. Aside from the roads being slick and requiring
me to go slower than I normally would (not by much) I actually enjoyed the
rain.

Tuesday I was productive at work. This is a great achievement as I've found
it very difficult to focus lately.

Tuesday night I went to the gym where I ran on the treadmill for 40
minutes. My leg still won't let me run the entire time but I managed to get
a total of 33 running minutes in at various speeds. Today I'm a bit sore so
I know I have to slow down the next time I run.

Later Tuesday night I went to BJs for the second time that day.They
wouldn't sell me tires at 7:40 because they were closing at 9 and were too
backed up to complete the work. When I was there at 1, they had a 90+
minute wait.

Eventually I landed home, with a nice big salad from Wild Oats (half foofy
health store, half regular grocery store). I watched tv and waited for Tina
to come roaring home on her stupid motorcycle that I hate (altho I do ride
on the back of it occasionally).

This morning I threw my last load of pre-vacation laundry in the dryer
before heading over to BJs to be the first in line for tires.

Late this morning I nearly had a nervous break down at BJs because although
my car was first in line, it took them over 2 hours to put 4 new tires on her.

By the time I left they had two people working in the garage, one at the
propane filling station and two (both managers...one was the warehouse GM)
working inside the waiting room. This didn't do anything to get my car out
of there any faster but hopefully made someone else's stay a little short.

Now I'm at work and I'm back to having a hard time concentrating. It's
gorgeous out. The rainy spring has long been forgotten. The need for AC has
been minimal. The blue skies have been abundant. In general it's turning
into a great summer.

Tonight Tina and I will lay out what we intend to bring to BH, pick an
appropriate suitcase and/or bag, and load up the car. Once this is done
we'll have a nice dinner some where to celebrate the start our mini-vacation.

There you have it..

lisa

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At 06:30 AM 7/2/2003 -0700, Betty wrote:
>At 08:33 AM 7/2/2003 -0400, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>>Rashmi and I are about to go have breakfast at Fran's, and then run a few
>>errands, and then we will be en route to Bar Harbor. We plan to get there
>>mid-to-late afternoon.
>
>What did you do with Emily? I wish she were attending.
>
>We'll leave for SFO in about 2.5 hours but our flight doesn't leave for
>another six hours! It's neat thinking about all these meebers descending
>upon Maine.  Are you ready Bonnie and Clyde? Did you take care of the
>weather?  I threw in my tiny umbrella and jacket.
>
>Betty

Tina and I hope to be in BH by this time tomorrow.

We're planning on leaving at 6am. My goal is to get past Portland before
noon (which we shouldn't have a problem doing) . We want to beat, Boston
rush hour, New Hampshire rush hour and southern Maine vacation traffic. We
hope to be just ahead of the tidal wave.

lisa

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>
> There you have it..
>
> lisa
>

Thanks for the mail.
Have a good time on your trip.

         - D. M.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> > And I got the Acadiafest shirt today.

> This means you have to wear it on your Sunday, which will be Saturday here
> and Fest Day, right?

I will. The difference between the times here and there is seven hours, so, I
guess, I'll wear it on Saturday, too.

Oh, yes, I read that Adam is on his way already and cannot read the answer
here.

The way I read post these days is as if it were some non-interactive
ROM-system :-( At the time I'm not at the computer I try to catch summer, and
also do practical things, and if I wouldn't read so late at night or chat so
long with Imbi, for example (we were talking till 4 a.m since yesterday's
night; nothing special, we just had fun), then I'd surely be more active
here, but you'll understand I shouldn't feel too guilty for it.

Kristin

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=
= > > And I got the Acadiafest shirt today.
=

I got mine today!  Very nice greeeeeeen.  Hope you all don't
blend into the lawn and the trees in the group shot.

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Hola, Amigos!

Spent some time roaming around a medina today. Reports of my death have been exaggerated.

Happy festing. Tomorrow to Granada.

Marie

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Rashmi and Adam called about 1630.  They were in/near Bangor and soon to
headed this way.  Chances are we will be able to meet the 1830 reservation
at Havana.

cwv

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At 05:35 PM 7/2/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>Rashmi and Adam called about 1630.  They were in/near Bangor and soon to
>headed this way.  Chances are we will be able to meet the 1830 reservation
>at Havana.

Rashmi just called again (1800).  They are in Ellsworth---still some 25
minutes out.  They must be pushing the car.  I called Havana and they will
hold the table.  It's nice to be a local.

cwv

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Adam and Rashmi made it unscathed.  We had a very nice dinner in the new
area of Havana.  Tomorrow we meet for breakfast, after which Rashmi and I
will go into the park for a short hike, Bonnie will make creme brulees, and
Adam may take the trolley excursion into the park.  By now, Betty and Larry
ought to be approaching Portland; Lisa and Tina should be fully packed and
ready to head out in the morning; Natalie should be somewhere around
Freeport; Rita and Ana should be in the Boston area; the Wilds should be
packing; and as for the mystery guests, who knows?

cwv

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I received mine today.  Thank you, Miss Bonnie!  Beautiful
design, and the deep emerald color is also very fine.  I offered
it to Daddy for casual wear, but my long-range plan is to make
all my Words-L tees into a quilt, like my sister Kay did with all
her 10K tees.

Gosh, the day of the fest is close......

brad

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:27:52 -0400
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--On Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:37 PM -0400 "clyde w. voigtlander"
<cwv@PANAX.COM> wrote:

> the Wilds should be
> packing;

That we are as well as tying up a few loose ends.  Tomorrow will dawn with
the movement of 4 legged critters to the kennel, last minute packing,
errands, and away we'll go.  Too many variables for me to talk about time.

The past week has brought some challenges - we brought home our kitten
which will end up being an indoor cat as he has some eyesight problem.
Because of that and the urgent need for a varmint catcher, we also adopted
a one year old - lean Tuxedo Tom was chosen by Alan.  Gorgeous, playful,
and wants attention.  He has yet to meet Sheba.  He does seem like a cat
who will hold his own.

Terry

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On 2 Jul 2003 at 15:45, Brad Grissom wrote:

> Gosh, the day of the fest is close......


Never mind that. I'm waiting for your review of MWCD 11.


    mem

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Betty writes,

>Right!  I wonder if the Kaminski's are there yet?

Would that we could, but it's not in the cards this year.

I *did* spend the day in Berkeley, though -- probably some conservation of
Wordslers thing.

Pete

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clo writes,

>late at night, having commitments outside of work, kuche, and
>kinder

Wow.  I hadn't realized Karriere is sneaking up so much on Kirche:

Google hits for "Kinder Küche Kirche": 33,000
Google hits for "Kinder Küche Karriere": 31,700

Pete

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Been a while since I've checked in, I guess...

Things are going reasonably well. Business is starting to pick up -- we
showed a healthy profit this quarter for the first time in quite a while --
but we built up enough debt after the LPC bankruptcy that it's gonna take a
while to climb back up out of it. Still, some progress.

Still enjoying loft living, although for the last month I've been on the
road enough that the place is kind of a wreck (and here I am writing emails
rather than cleaning -- wait, why don't you look surprised?). The biggest
difference here is that I had Happy euthanized last month. I feel guilty
about it, and sometimes I wake up expecting to feel him next to me in the
bed, but the reality is that he was passing stones every week or so with
considerable pain, and my apartment smelled like a cat feedlot: I came back
from a weekend out of town, walked in the front door and gagged. So I spent
a week arguing with myself about it and then on Friday afternoon took him
over to the vet and petted him while we did it, very quickly and quietly.
(BTW, it costs $110 to euthanize a cat.)

Things between Jay & me are no better -- in fact I think they're probably
worse. We've been seeing a mediator to resolve some disputes over money and
property. He's so conditioned to me caving in every time he wants something
that he's just furious that I'm not doing it this time -- but I finally
realized that he's so determined to be the victim here that it doesn't
matter whether I'm nice or tough, I lose either way. If he'd have been a
mensch about the whole thing it could have been a lot easier for both of us
-- I was perfectly prepared to stay friends, possibly even lovers -- but it
appears that adversarialism is the order of the day. At this point we're
communicating only by email; when I have to drop off books to him we
exchange as few words as necessary to complete the transaction. Sigh.

As for the Dudes, Miles graduated from UCI a couple of weeks ago. His
current plan is to work in Sacramento for six months or so and save up some
money, then go live in Prague for a while. He's living with his best friend
Bill, and he's got a couple of acting gigs lined up already, so things seem
to be calm in that sector. Ben just announced that he's dropping the one
class he was taking in summer school, so I am now officially Getting Tough
about his finding a job -- as shy as he is, the whole application and
interview process is torture for him, but tough shit, I'm not going to have
him sitting around here all summer long.

Had a lot of fun this last weekend at my 30th HS reunion. The big reunion
was pretty weird -- I went to a very affluent high school, and there was
*not one* non-white face at the reunion, and my classmates are already in
the trophy-wife-and-plastic-surgery time of life. But my three best friends
and I had a little mini-reunion, and that was great. The big news was that
my best friend from HS, Cat, is now Connor, and is fully transitioned and
living as a man. He looks great and it was really fun to hang out with him,
if slightly disorienting. I've got a picture of the four of us if anybody
wants to see it -- just let me know where to post it. (It also shows my new
'do -- I got impatient a month or two ago and buzzed the whole mess off,
then bleached the top part platinum; it's pretty cool.)

Not too much other news. I've been in a relatively antisocial period -- I'm
not doing any dating other than with the people I'm already involved with,
who are a good group and more than enough for me for now. My tolerance for
social situations is pretty low -- I behave myself reasonably well while I'm
there, then crash hard afterwards, so I'm not getting out too often.

Dossie & I are starting to make inroads on "Radical Ecstasy" -- we're using
a different process on this book, basically just both of us writing short
pieces on whatever comes into our mind and hoping that a pattern will emerge
eventually. I bought a secondhand laptop which I keep next to me on the bed,
and just before I turn out the lights I pop it open and crank out a couple
of pages on whatever I'm interested in at the time. It's more personal
writing than I've done in quite a while, and challenging in that regard, but
I think it's pretty good and I'm enjoying it even when it scares me a little.

Anyway, this is a much longer email than I'd intended to write. I'm not
feeling like coming back to the list yet, but I think of you all often and
hope everybody's doing well. I'll keep in touch...

Hugs to all,
Janet

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>From a Yahoo news article headlined

"Dung beetle uses moonlight for a compass"

. . this sentence:

"S. zambesianus starts to forage on the wing for fresh 

dung at around sunset, using the polarisation patterns

formed by around the setting Sun to figure out a straight 

departure bearing should it come across any food."



                               - D. M.

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>
> > Gosh, the day of the fest is close......
>
>
> Never mind that. I'm waiting for your review of MWCD 11.

>     mem

What?  What?  You mean there is a new dictionary I must buy?
Heckfire, good buddy, I'm on a fixed income here, must consult
Dr. Myles Callum before I rush to the bookstore.  Of course I
will.  :)

Daddy and I had an argument the other day about the pronunciation
of "vienna sausage".  I said it as "vie-enny", and he accused me
of illiteracy.  In return, he got a stern but measured lecture on
canons of correctness.

The t-shirt design is wonderful.

brad

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22:26 02.07.2003 +0200 skrev Marie Ascher:
>Hola, Amigos!
>
>Spent some time roaming around a medina today. Reports of my death have been exaggerated.
>
>Happy festing. Tomorrow to Granada.

Which means today - I expect it will be warmer and drier than the first time I was in Granada. Have fun! It is too late now, but I know some small nice family-type restaurants in the old city. (I also managed to get stuck in the old city on my first day ever driving a car in Spain).

Espen

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On 2 Jul 2003 at 19:49, bogris01 wrote:

> What?  What?  You mean there is a new dictionary I must buy?

Went on sale Tuesday, I believe. I haven't seen it yet. I trust it'll sell at something less
than the rate of a new Harry Potter, so there should still be stock on hand when I trek
to Borders on the weekend.


> Heckfire, good buddy, I'm on a fixed income here, must consult
> Dr. Myles Callum before I rush to the bookstore.  Of course I
> will.  :)

One can never be too cautious in these matters.



> Daddy and I had an argument the other day about the pronunciation of
> "vienna sausage".  I said it as "vie-enny", and he accused me of
> illiteracy.  In return, he got a stern but measured lecture on canons
> of correctness.

Illiteracy is a strong accusation. How about just misguided?


> The t-shirt design is wonderful.

Kind of you to say so.


      mem

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15:45 02.07.2003 -0400 skrev Brad Grissom:
>Gosh, the day of the fest is close......

Hey Brad, Have you seen the recent Conde Nast "Where are you"?

Espen - from "the ancestral homes of these tribes, in lands to the east"

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        I've set uup an album to post ongoing pictures as this fest gets going.  Adam brought a digital.  I have one.  Betty will surely have one.<br><br>Enjoy,<br>Bonnie</font></td>
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For those who read the archives and for whatever reason got a gobbledy gook
on the last email, here's the URL to see photos from Acadiafest as they are
posted.

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By the way, I just got confirmation that the three mystery guests are on
their way.  They'll be here in 12 to 14  hours.   There's a clue in that.


bonnie

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Perhaps also a nice fest "party game"!

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonniemaev
>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:46 AM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Acadiafest photos
>
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>For those who read the archives and for whatever reason got a
>gobbledy gook on the last email, here's the URL to see photos from
>Acadiafest as they are posted.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>
>By the way, I just got confirmation that the three mystery
>guests are on their way.  They'll be here in 12 to 14  hours.   There's a
>clue in that.
>
>
>bonnie
>

The picture is great. Is Clyde sober in the picture?


alec

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Sounds like great weather. Working the day before a holdiday is never fun.
But, mortgages need to be paid.




Today: Plenty of sunshine. High 79F. Winds SSW at 10 to 20 mph.

Tonight: Clear to partly cloudy. Low near 60F. Winds SSW at 10 to 20 mph.

Tomorrow: Sunshine along with some cloudy intervals. High 79F. Winds SSW at
10 to 15 mph.

Tomorrow night: Clear to partly cloudy skies. Low 62F. Winds SW at 5 to 10
mph.

Saturday: Mix of sun and clouds. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the low
60s.

Sunday: More sun than clouds. Highs in the upper 70s and lows in the mid
50s.

Monday: Partly cloudy. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the mid 50s.




later,


alec

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>
>The picture is great. Is Clyde sober in the picture?
>alec
Clyde is more than sober.  That picture was taken a week ago Tuesday, a
mere hours after his colonoscopy.  It was the first picture I took with my
new digital camera.  The UPS truck brought both the shirts and the camera
that afternoon.

I have a picture of Rashmi, Adam, and Clyde at breakfast.  But then Clyde
took the camera along on his hike with Rashmi.  They took the shuttle bus
from the village green to Sand Beach in Acadia National Park.  From there
they will do an hour's hike (more than a walk) along a headland on the ocean.

Adam is relaxing on the deck of his motel room.  Natalie just stopped by
the house with cheese and Spanish peanuts as a present for me.  She is now
off to God-knows-where.


bonnie

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steph:
> http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=270580&cc=5739

Yeah, that was on Portal of Evil
News last week.  It's the gag
headline that writes itself!

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>steph:
>> http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=270580&cc=5739
>
>Yeah, that was on Portal of Evil
>News last week.  It's the gag
>headline that writes itself!
>

Mystery guest are not steph or Richard. Who might it be? It is hint time.


alec

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I am in Philly.


alec

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> I am in Philly.

I think it's just you, me, and steph.

Makes buying a round cheaper, at least.

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02003-07-02 | bogris01 <bogris01@NETZERO.NET> writes:
> Daddy and I had an argument the other day about the pronunciation
> of "vienna sausage".  I said it as "vie-enny", and he accused me
> of illiteracy.  In return, he got a stern but measured lecture on
> canons of correctness.

Why? I mean, it IS illiterate ...

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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>> I am in Philly.
>
>I think it's just you, me, and steph.
>
>Makes buying a round cheaper, at least.
>

Others will chime in, I hope.


alec

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Tushar Samant writes,

>Why? I mean, it IS illiterate ...

Nah, just regional: "In the southern US, this is pronounced VIE-ANNA".
<http://www.recipecottage.com/preserving-meats/vienna-sausage.html>

Pete

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> >Subject: Re: Roll Call time
> >
> >
> >> I am in Philly.
> >
> >I think it's just you, me, and steph.
> >
> >Makes buying a round cheaper, at least.
> >
>
> Others will chime in, I hope.
>
>
> alec

Pour one for me.

    - D. M.

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02003-07-03 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >Why? I mean, it IS illiterate ...
>
> Nah, just regional: "In the southern US, this is pronounced VIE-ANNA".

That was not the pronunciation cited by Dr Grissom.
Anyway, I misspoke. I should have said:

> >Why? I mean, it IS regional ...

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I'm still at work but reading.  No plans to head north to ME.

Rita L.

Doris Markland wrote:

>>>Subject: Re: Roll Call time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am in Philly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I think it's just you, me, and steph.
>>>
>>>Makes buying a round cheaper, at least.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Others will chime in, I hope.
>>
>>
>>alec
>>
>>
>
>Pour one for me.
>
>    - D. M.
>
>

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- D. M.
> Pour one for me.

I'm still at work, but feel free to
start without me, I'll catch up.

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> 15:45 02.07.2003 -0400 skrev Brad Grissom:
> >Gosh, the day of the fest is close......
>
> Hey Brad, Have you seen the recent Conde Nast "Where are you"?
>
> Espen - from "the ancestral homes of these tribes, in lands to
the east"

I've let my subscription lapse, and will ride Myles's coattails
as long as he will tolerate me.  Tell me more about this one.

brad

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At 09:37 AM 7/3/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>The picture is great. Is Clyde sober in the picture?
>
>
>alec

ayeh.

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At 12:21 PM 7/3/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>I am in Philly.
>
>
>alec

We are still in Bar Harbor.  The weather was great for our hike---great
cool breeze.  Bonnie is now off collecting Rashmi so that she (Rashmi) can
catch up with Adam, Natalie, and (I think) the Clarks for a tour bus ride
(Ollie's Trolley) through the park.

cwv
still sober

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:58 PM
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>At 12:21 PM 7/3/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>>I am in Philly.
>>
>>
>>alec
>
>We are still in Bar Harbor.  The weather was great for our hike---great
>cool breeze.  Bonnie is now off collecting Rashmi so that she
>(Rashmi) can
>catch up with Adam, Natalie, and (I think) the Clarks for a
>tour bus ride
>(Ollie's Trolley) through the park.
>
>cwv
>still sober
>

It is after noon, get started drinking. Sounds like fun in Maine.



alec

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The Web site of the Democratic presidential hopeful has been successful
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>Democrat Howard Dean Strikes An Online Chord With Campaign
>
>The Web site of the Democratic presidential hopeful has been successful
>in bringing in money and enthusiastic volunteers -- and launching him
>into the top tier of candidates.
>
>http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,82771,00.html?nlid=AM
>
>
>
>
>dan
>

That is really cool, I just finished reading the same article.



alec

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lisa alfieri wrote:

>  email about my boring, mundane life.

> Monday I biked to work. ... but for the most part I was fine.
>
> Monday night I stopped off at the gym, used the nautilus machines and then
> biked home in a down pour. ... I actually enjoyed the
> rain.
>
> Tuesday I was productive at work. This is a great achievement ...

> Tuesday night I went to the gym where I ran on the treadmill for 40
> minutes.

> Eventually I landed home, with a nice big salad ...

> to come roaring home on her stupid motorcycle that I hate (altho I do ride
> on the back of it occasionally).
>
> Late this morning I nearly had a nervous break down at BJs because although
> my car was first in line, it took them over 2 hours to put 4 new tires on her.
>
> we'll have a nice dinner some where to celebrate the start our mini-vacation.

Boring, you said... Doesn't sound very much like that :) But hopefully even better
days are ahead.

Kristin

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At 02:01 PM 7/3/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>It is after noon, get started drinking. Sounds like fun in Maine.

Well, it's likely to be long evening, so I think I'll pace myself.  By the
way, more photos are now on

http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe

including some on the hike that Rashmi and I took.

cwv

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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:16 PM
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>At 02:01 PM 7/3/2003 -0400, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>>It is after noon, get started drinking. Sounds like fun in Maine.
>
>Well, it's likely to be long evening, so I think I'll pace
>myself.  By the
>way, more photos are now on
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>
>including some on the hike that Rashmi and I took.
>
>cwv
>

Photos are great. Looks like a great day for hiking.


alec

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I am confused. Maybe I just cannot understand.

Amy Burns Short wrote:

> *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified.
>
> Perhaps also a nice fest "party game"!
>
> AS
>
> ********************
>
> If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email.
>
> Title: WSJ.com - To Have and to Hold: The Key To Wife Carrying Is Upside Down
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>
> Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to access the sent link:
> http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1247442744&pt=Y

Should I click any of these? Something in it looks dubious. Did you send it, Amy? Or is it some worm that attached itself to your message? Maybe I am too cautious, but I
dare not to click on them before you say my computer will be safe after visiting these sites.

> Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to SAVE THIS link:
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> ********************

I have rarely problems for my computer's not recognizing Web addresses. These have been cases of some temporary disorder.

Sorry for doubting your mail. Perhaps it is all something wonderful here that I cannot grasp at the moment.

Kristin

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> Perhaps also a nice fest "party game"!
>
> AS

Sorry -- The Wall St. Journal certainly sent a lot of other junk with this, right?

This is an article about an event held in Estonia.

Title:

To Have and to Hold: The Key To Wife Carrying Is Upside Down

Big URL:
http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1247442744&pt=Y


First paragraph:

"VAIKE-MAARJA, Estonia -- Take it from a world champion: The best way for a man to carry a woman is to dangle her upside down over his back, with her thighs squeezing his neck and her arms around his torso."

There's also a great photo.

AS

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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> > Perhaps also a nice fest "party game"!
>
> To Have and to Hold: The Key To Wife Carrying Is Upside Down
>
> Big URL:
> http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1247442744&pt=Y
>

Oh, thanks for the answer. I haven't been watching competitions of the kind, but they must be fun. Oh, yes, it'd suit Acadiafest! And we, lurkers, would enjoy photos of wifecarrying... :-)

Kristin

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Top posting is quicker. Click on the link. An article about Estonia.


alec

http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailT
oID=1247442744&pt=Y


>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:31 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Hey, Kristin!
>
>
>I am confused. Maybe I just cannot understand.
>
>Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
>> *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified.
>>
>> Perhaps also a nice fest "party game"!
>>
>> AS
>>
>> ********************
>>
>> If you are having trouble with any of the links in this
>message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please
>follow the instructions at the bottom of this email.
>>
>> Title: WSJ.com - To Have and to Hold: The Key To Wife
>Carrying Is Upside Down
>>  This article will be available to non-subscribers of the
>Online Journal for up to seven days after it is e-mailed.
>>
>> Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to access
>the sent link:
>>
>http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMail
ToID=1247442744&pt=Y

Should I click any of these? Something in it looks dubious. Did you send it,
Amy? Or is it some worm that attached itself to your message? Maybe I am too
cautious, but I
dare not to click on them before you say my computer will be safe after
visiting these sites.

> Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to SAVE THIS link:
>
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>
> Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to forward this link:
>
http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=forward&etMailTo
ID=1247442744&partnerID=150&pt=Y
>
> ********************
>
> Email pages from any Web site you visit - add the EMAIL THIS button to
your browser, copy and paste the following into your Web browser:
>
http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=browserButtons&p
t=Y"
>
> *********************
>
> Instructions:
> -----------------------------------------
> If your e-mail program doesn't recognize Web addresses:
> 1. With your mouse, highlight the Web Address above. Be sure to highlight
the entire Web address, even if it spans more than one line in your email.
> 2. Select Copy from the Edit menu at the top of your screen.
> 3. Launch your Web browser.
> 4. Paste the address into your Web browser by selecting Paste from the
Edit menu.
> 5. Click Go or press Enter or Return on your keyboard.
>
> ********************

I have rarely problems for my computer's not recognizing Web addresses.
These have been cases of some temporary disorder.

Sorry for doubting your mail. Perhaps it is all something wonderful here
that I cannot grasp at the moment.

Kristin

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Top posting is quicker. Click on the link. An article about Estonia.

Yes, thanks.

Kristin

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> Perhaps also a nice fest "party game"!
>
> AS

Sorry -- The Wall St. Journal certainly sent a lot of other junk with this,
right?

This is an article about an event held in Estonia.

Title:

To Have and to Hold: The Key To Wife Carrying Is Upside Down

Big URL:
http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1247442744&pt=Y

First paragraph:

"VAIKE-MAARJA, Estonia -- Take it from a world champion: The best way for a
man to carry a woman is to dangle her upside down over his back, with her
thighs squeezing his neck and her arms around his torso."

There's also a great photo.

AS

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> To Have and to Hold: The Key To Wife Carrying Is Upside Down
>
> Big URL:
>
http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1247442744&pt=Y

>Oh, thanks for the answer. I haven't been watching competitions of the
kind, but they must be fun. Oh, yes, it'd suit >Acadiafest! And we, lurkers,
would enjoy photos of wifecarrying... :-)

>Kristin

Perhaps we should all enter next year!

AS

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It is fine.  Really.   Just an article from the Wall street Journal.

dan


7/3/2003, 12:30 PM, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>> Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to access the sent link:
>> http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1247442744&pt=Y

KS> Should I click any of these? Something in it looks dubious. Did you send it, Amy? Or is
KS> it some worm that attached itself to your message? Maybe I am too cautious, but I
KS> dare not to click on them before you say my computer will be safe after visiting these
KS> sites.



dan

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boy:
= - D. M.
= > Pour one for me.
=
= I'm still at work, but feel free to
= start without me, I'll catch up.

I had a beer at work, at our monthly drink.  Always a nice little
5pm break.  Then I worked a little more and then Pat and I went
for tapas down the street and I had some red wine.

Getting on bed time here.

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:00 PM
>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Roll Call time
>
>
>boy:
>= - D. M.
>= > Pour one for me.
>=
>= I'm still at work, but feel free to
>= start without me, I'll catch up.
>
>I had a beer at work, at our monthly drink.  Always a nice little
>5pm break.  Then I worked a little more and then Pat and I went
>for tapas down the street and I had some red wine.
>
>Getting on bed time here.
>

Good night dear steph, pleasant dreams.


hugs,

alec

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= >
= >Getting on bed time here.
= >
=
= Good night dear steph, pleasant dreams.
=
=
= hugs,
=
= alec

Oh alec, you're a sweetie.  Nighty-night.

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--- Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> wrote:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >Why? I mean, it IS illiterate ...
>
> Nah, just regional: "In the southern US, this is
> pronounced VIE-ANNA".
>
<http://www.recipecottage.com/preserving-meats/vienna-sausage.html>
>
> Pete

Sadly, I can fully attest to that.


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  In return, he got a stern but
> measured lecture on canons
> > of correctness.
>
> Illiteracy is a strong accusation. How about just
> misguided?
>
>
> > The t-shirt design is wonderful.
>
> Kind of you to say so.
>
>
>       mem

One doesn't want to get overwrought about these
things, but if Dubya can get away with "nuc-u-lar"
because it's regional, then you must allow the South
their Vye-ennas as a small linguistic idiosyncrasy.


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> "S. zambesianus starts to forage on the wing for
> fresh
>
> dung at around sunset, using the polarisation
> patterns
>
> formed by around the setting Sun to figure out a
> straight
>
> departure bearing should it come across any food."
>
>
>
>                                - D. M.

Doris,

How does this read?

"DUNG BEETLE NAVIGATES'

     As the African sun sets, polarization patterns
are created, which the dung beetle (S. zambesianus)
uses while in flight, to plot a direct course to and
from any food source it may encounter.


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> > "S. zambesianus starts to forage on the wing for
> > fresh
> >
> > dung at around sunset, using the polarisation
> > patterns
> >
> > formed by around the setting Sun to figure out a
> > straight
> >
> > departure bearing should it come across any food."
> >
> >
> >
> >                                - D. M.
>
> Doris,
>
> How does this read?
>
> "DUNG BEETLE NAVIGATES'
>
>      As the African sun sets, polarization patterns
> are created, which the dung beetle (S. zambesianus)
> uses while in flight, to plot a direct course to and
> from any food source it may encounter.
>

Much better.

Have you ever watched a National Geographic
film on dung beetles?  Disgusting, but interesting.

           - D. M.

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steph:
> I had a beer at work, at our monthly drink.

Damn, that's civilized.

They sell beer in the cafeteria here
(it is, after all, New Orleans), but
I have strict personal rules about
what's workin' time and drinkin' time.

Plus, I'd still have to climb on the
bike and get home.

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- D.M.:
> film on dung beetles?  Disgusting, but interesting.

What do you suppose a dung beetle
thinks about you?

GROSS!

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>They needed Dorisann's phone number for her birthday
>tomorrow, and I was madly searching for it when they called back
>and said they had it.  It's that kind of fest.         --brad

Betty had Doris's phone number on her Palm Pilot the whole time.  We did
call Doris but she wasn't home.  We talked to her husband and left birthday
greetings.

I've added a few pictures to the album.

http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe



bonnie

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> My high school English teachers would have asked me
> to break that up into a
> couple of sentences.
>
> But it needs fact-checking, too.  The recent report
> was about polarized
> moonlight, not sunlight; moving away with a prize,
> but not toward; and dung
> beetles who don't fly, but walk 'n' roll.
>
> Here's an example of a short, straightforward
> summary sentence from
> _Nature_: "An African beetle relies on moonlight's
> polarisation to roll its
> dungball in a straight line...."
>
> And here's the pithy, dramatic description from
> _National Geographic_: "Out
> on the African savanna, a fresh and moist pile of
> fine-grained antelope
> dung is a nutritious treasure aggressively fought
> over by a melee of
> critters. The spoils go to those with the craftiest
> strategies to snatch
> and stash a piece of the pie.  To gain an edge in
> this battle for the poop,
> the African dung beetle _Scarabaeus zambesianus_
> orients itself by the
> polarized light pattern cast by the moon to make a
> straight, nighttime
> escape with its morsel...."
>
> [1] http://www.nature.com/nsu/030630/030630-5.html
> [2]
>
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0702_030702_dungbeetle.html
>
> Pete

I knew it was Africa, had to be.  And yes, you're
quite right about breaking it into two sentences.  In
fact, you're quite right about everything.  Believe
me, I wasn't trying to top "National Geographic".
I searched in vain for any mention of the moon in the
body of the sentence.  T'wasn't there, that I could
see.

Thanks for the well-considered response.


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> What do you suppose a dung beetle
> thinks about you?
>
> GROSS!

Actually, I never considered that they "thought" at
all.


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Lynne writes,

>      As the African sun sets, polarization patterns are created, which
> the dung beetle (S. zambesianus) uses while in flight, to plot a direct
> course to and from any food source it may encounter.

My high school English teachers would have asked me to break that up into a
couple of sentences.

But it needs fact-checking, too.  The recent report was about polarized
moonlight, not sunlight; moving away with a prize, but not toward; and dung
beetles who don't fly, but walk 'n' roll.

Here's an example of a short, straightforward summary sentence from
_Nature_: "An African beetle relies on moonlight's polarisation to roll its
dungball in a straight line...."

And here's the pithy, dramatic description from _National Geographic_: "Out
on the African savanna, a fresh and moist pile of fine-grained antelope
dung is a nutritious treasure aggressively fought over by a melee of
critters. The spoils go to those with the craftiest strategies to snatch
and stash a piece of the pie.  To gain an edge in this battle for the poop,
the African dung beetle _Scarabaeus zambesianus_ orients itself by the
polarized light pattern cast by the moon to make a straight, nighttime
escape with its morsel...."

[1] http://www.nature.com/nsu/030630/030630-5.html
[2] http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0702_030702_dungbeetle.html

Pete

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>
> >They needed Dorisann's phone number for her birthday
> >tomorrow, and I was madly searching for it when they called back
> >and said they had it.  It's that kind of fest.         --brad
>
> Betty had Doris's phone number on her Palm Pilot the whole time.  We did
> call Doris but she wasn't home.  We talked to her husband and
> left birthday
> greetings.
>
> I've added a few pictures to the album.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>
>
> bonnie

You're wonderful to do this, Bonnie :)

Thanks so much for taking the time and making the effort to share these pics
with us all. I've been enjoying looking at all the photos of y'all.

Betty, between treking over to my book club and now hopping over to Maine,
you sure do get around ;)

Tomorrow, I'm going to the Marin Fair (Preservation Hall Jazz Band is
playing) with a longtime friend (she went to QuiltFest with me last year),
then hopping over to Jack London Square in Oakland to hang out with a friend
and about 10-12 of her other friends and watch fireworks (I'll crash at her
place) then...Sat morning I'm hooking up with a couple longtime friends to
have a picnic in Sonoma. Sunday I'm going to the Fillmore STreet Jazz Fair
in SF. Monday I'll be all day at Kaiser hanging out with a friend and her
husband. She's having a hysterectomy. And there are other social things
going on if I can manage and want to squeeze them in.

I love watching Fireworks. I'm partial to the ones that twinkle on the way
down.

Sandra

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> Have you ever watched a National Geographic
> film on dung beetles?  Disgusting, but interesting.
>
>            - D. M.

Yes, I have, and you nailed it.  Seems, though, of
late, most of the shows have been on before, but I
find you can usually find something you didn't learn
the first time round.


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> Who said the sun was African? Why the impressive
> ambiguity
> about who "creates" polarization patterns? Who said
> anything
> about any course? And anything about coming back?
>
> The sentence is trying to be accurate--I'll take
> that over
> "smooth" ...

I knew it, I knew it.  Everyone's a critic, especially
T.S.  Please consider my rationalizations:

1.  A critter called zambesianus probably did not
originate, nor does it spend its life in Nepal or
Ireland.

2.  To whom do you attribute the formation of
polarization patterns?

3.  Isn't the point of the whole silly sentence that
the "bug" uses a natural phenomenon to get around (in
Africa)?

4.  If he doesn't come back, be grateful for small
blessings.

5.  And further, a rude question:  How is the
contretemps in Kashmir to be solved?


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I just had a wonderful phone call from the festivities in Bar
Harbour, and the participants seemed to be having a, shall we
say, high time.  Natalie commanded me to post to the list
immediately the info that they love everyone madly, or something
like that, and I always do what she tells me.  But I'm having a
high time myself, so to speak.  I know who the mystery guests
are.  They needed Dorisann's phone number for her birthday
tomorrow, and I was madly searching for it when they called back
and said they had it.  It's that kind of fest.

brad

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Someone report to me if Betty brought MIDDLESEX with her...

Sandra

> > >They needed Dorisann's phone number for her birthday
> > >tomorrow, and I was madly searching for it when they called back
> > >and said they had it.  It's that kind of fest.         --brad
> >
> > Betty had Doris's phone number on her Palm Pilot the whole time.  We did
> > call Doris but she wasn't home.  We talked to her husband and
> > left birthday
> > greetings.
> >
> > I've added a few pictures to the album.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
> >
> >
> > bonnie
>
> You're wonderful to do this, Bonnie :)
>
> Thanks so much for taking the time and making the effort to share
> these pics
> with us all. I've been enjoying looking at all the photos of y'all.
>
> Betty, between treking over to my book club and now hopping over to Maine,
> you sure do get around ;)
>
> Tomorrow, I'm going to the Marin Fair (Preservation Hall Jazz Band is
> playing) with a longtime friend (she went to QuiltFest with me last year),
> then hopping over to Jack London Square in Oakland to hang out
> with a friend
> and about 10-12 of her other friends and watch fireworks (I'll
> crash at her
> place) then...Sat morning I'm hooking up with a couple longtime friends to
> have a picnic in Sonoma. Sunday I'm going to the Fillmore STreet Jazz Fair
> in SF. Monday I'll be all day at Kaiser hanging out with a friend and her
> husband. She's having a hysterectomy. And there are other social things
> going on if I can manage and want to squeeze them in.
>
> I love watching Fireworks. I'm partial to the ones that twinkle on the way
> down.
>
> Sandra
>
>

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I'm going to cancel T-Mobile since my contract is up and the phone is gone.
All I really need is a pager.  Any ideas?

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02003-07-03 | Lynne Weber <lcweber2003@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> I knew it was Africa, had to be. [...]

The point was to rewrite the sentence without changing its meaning.

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Brad Grissom:
= I just had a wonderful phone call from the festivities in Bar
= Harbour, and the participants seemed to be having a, shall we
= say, high time.  Natalie commanded me to post to the list
= immediately the info that they love everyone madly, or something
= like that, and I always do what she tells me.  But I'm having a

did they all take XTC or something?

= high time myself, so to speak.  I know who the mystery guests
= are.  They needed Dorisann's phone number for her birthday
= tomorrow, and I was madly searching for it when they called back
= and said they had it.  It's that kind of fest.
=
= brad

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06:26 03.07.2003 -0400 skrev bogris01:
>> 15:45 02.07.2003 -0400 skrev Brad Grissom:
>> >Gosh, the day of the fest is close......
>>
>> Hey Brad, Have you seen the recent Conde Nast "Where are you"?
>>
>> Espen - from "the ancestral homes of these tribes, in lands to
>the east"
>
>I've let my subscription lapse, and will ride Myles's coattails
>as long as he will tolerate me.  Tell me more about this one.

When they use the word "distilled" it is very fitting for the country in question.

Espen

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boy:
= steph:
= > I had a beer at work, at our monthly drink.
=
= Damn, that's civilized.
=

Oh, it can be civilized, or it can be the finance and marketing
types cliquing and the geeks gliquing, or it can be one of those
you-have-to-show-your-face-in-order-to-succeed-or-be-introduced-
to-important-people things.  Last night was pretty civilized.

= They sell beer in the cafeteria here
= (it is, after all, New Orleans), but
= I have strict personal rules about
= what's workin' time and drinkin' time.
=

We have a problem with our French colleagues because they go out
Friday (well, every day, but Friday's the problem) and have a
long late lunch with plenty of wine, and then decide to escalate
minor problems which have been festering for two weeks to
priority one.  So it tends to hit us at about 4:30.  And we like
to go home at 5:00.  It's not pretty.

= Plus, I'd still have to climb on the
= bike and get home.

Certainly you can do that after just one beer.  I have to get in
the car.

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08:45 03.07.2003 -0400 skrev Bonniemaev:
>For those who read the archives and for whatever reason got a gobbledy gook
>on the last email, here's the URL to see photos from Acadiafest as they are
>posted.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe

Very good pictures - and it is good to see again both those I have met in ftfs and those I only know from the gifs.

The T-shirt arrived today and it is great! I like this green colour. I will be at the airport in a few days and there there is an ATM issuing US-dollars, I hope you hosts in Bar Harbor and the organizer in Hawai'i will have butter for their bread (as we say in Norway) until the money arrive. BTW Mem, my wife is going on a Polynesian fireld-work trip for a month from next Sunday - she will not go to Hawai'i but to New Zealand, Fiji and Samoa.

Espen

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12:07 03.07.2003 -0400 skrev Bonniemaev:
I have a picture of Rashmi, Adam, and Clyde at breakfast.  But then Clyde
>took the camera along on his hike with Rashmi.  They took the shuttle bus
>from the village green to Sand Beach in Acadia National Park.  From there
>they will do an hour's hike (more than a walk) along a headland on the ocean.

When I saw the photos from the hike this looked very much like home.

Espen

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23:48 03.07.2003 -0400 skrev Evelyn Duncan:
>I'm going to cancel T-Mobile since my contract is up and the phone is gone.
>All I really need is a pager.  Any ideas?

All pagers are shut down in Norway this summer as outdated technology.

Espen

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On 4 Jul 2003 at 9:34, Espen Ore wrote:

> BTW Mem, my wife is going on a Polynesian fireld-work trip for a
> month from next Sunday - she will not go to Hawai'i but to New
> Zealand, Fiji and Samoa.

Too bad. It would be neat to meet her.

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One of the Festers I talked to last night was Lisa, and I told
her a brad story which I am promulgating here for wider
distribution:

Every time I go to the corner Speedway convenience store, which
is often, I see the custom-made "Doc's Liquors" sign above the
entrance.  He was very ambitious and overextended himself and
went bankrupt.  His space in the strip mall was taken over by
something called "United Faith Christian Center", who posted
their logo on the door, so that the two emblems cohabit the same
space.  The faith man, so the neighborhood buzz goes, went out of
business for financial shenanigans.  I told Lisa that FAITH and
LIQUOR are not incompatible.  This anecdote will figure
prominently in my novel "Halfway to Cuba".  Now next door is the
Tie The Knot wedding chapel, which is almost too good to be true.

Doris's birthday was yesterday, 3 July, which I know from the
Sylvia birthday calendar that I uncovered.  Sorry for the
mistake.  I will do better in future. Bonniemae's is the 5th.  I
will probably call.

brad

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23:18 03.07.2003 -0400 skrev Brad Grissom:
>Doris's birthday was yesterday, 3 July, which I know from the
>Sylvia birthday calendar that I uncovered.  Sorry for the
>mistake.  I will do better in future. Bonniemae's is the 5th.  I
>will probably call.

HB yesterday, Doris!

And HB tomorrow, Bonnie!

Espen

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Kristin Sarv:
= Happy Independence Day, USAers!
=
= Kristin

My colleagues just wished me a happy 4th.  Then they wanted to
know where the traditional 4th of July cookies were.  (I've been
bringining cookies to work, which I share with them.  But I
didn't bring any this week)

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13:14 04.07.2003 +0200 skrev steph:
>Kristin Sarv:
>= Happy Independence Day, USAers!
>=
>= Kristin
>
>My colleagues just wished me a happy 4th.  Then they wanted to
>know where the traditional 4th of July cookies were.  (I've been
>bringining cookies to work, which I share with them.  But I
>didn't bring any this week)

Happy 4th - but is there such a thing as traditional 4th of July cookies?

Espen

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steph wrote:

> My colleagues just wished me a happy 4th.  Then they wanted to
> know where the traditional 4th of July cookies were.

And... are there any?

Kristin

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At 01:18 PM 7/4/2003 +0200, Espen Ore wrote:

>Happy 4th - but is there such a thing as traditional 4th of July cookies?

Not in my experience.

Espen, we're glad the shirt arrived.  The postal clerk commented that the
address, etc., did not exactly conform to the new regulations, but thought
that the package "probably will get through."

It's fairly early here (0730 EDT).  Considerable fog to the south and, I
suspect, over the water.  Bonnie is just now waking up (long day
yesterday).  It's very quiet in the neighborhood save for the occasional
crow remarking on something or other.

Lisa and Tina are probably stowing away breakfast at the Hearthside; they
are going kayaking at 0900.  As for the rest, I know not.  We left the
group at Mache and had a quiet and pleasant stroll home.  I rather suspect
that we will see most or all of them sometime between now and sundown.

cwv

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Festing is going great.  After returning last night from good food
and lots of cell-phone play and watching Bad Betty perform, I went
up my motel hill and partied with the Wilds on their <porch>.  And
now I've discovered this computer.  Need to find the Tracfone web
page and explore adding minutes.

Can't believe that Adam assured us last night that he had unlimited
minutes on his cell phone as we passed it round and round talking to
Bradykins and then DorisS's husband, without adding the "but it's
long-distance" that he added after we finished all this!
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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>Happy 4th - but is there such a thing as traditional 4th of July cookies?
>Espen

No.  But at the Inn where Betty, Larry, Lisa, and Queen LaTina are staying
there is the tradition of making a red, white, and blue kuchen for
breakfast on the morning of the 4th.  It should be coming out of the oven
right about now.


bonnie

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>And now I've discovered this computer.  Need to find the Tracfone web
>page and explore adding minutes.

Where did you find the computer, Natalie?

>Can't believe that Adam assured us last night that he had unlimited
>minutes on his cell phone as we passed it round and round talking to
>Bradykins and then DorisS's husband, without adding the "but it's
>long-distance" that he added after we finished all this!
>    --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yes, and then BadBetty assured Adam that Natalie would give him some
money.  And we all forced her to pony up $10 for Adam.  Then we forced Adam
to take it.  It's difficult (and a tad disconcerting) to describe the scene
at Mache Bistro last night.  I will be a bit reluctant to show my face
there again.  Some friends of ours actually came to have a drink there,
just to observe the zoo.  And it was a zoo.  The food and liquor tab came
to $460 with tip.  We split it nine ways.


bonnie

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Faith and liquor, Doris and Bonniemae, July 3rd and July 5th. Happy
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Kristin Sarv:
= steph wrote:
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= > My colleagues just wished me a happy 4th.  Then they wanted to
= > know where the traditional 4th of July cookies were.
=
= And... are there any?

No.  It was just an unabashed beg for me to bring more cookies.

We all get coffee for each other, or go downstairs to the vending
machine, etc.  So, I bring cookies sometimes.

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and?

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>and?

We, personally, have not yet heard if they made it safely to Unreal
Maine.  The likelihood is that they came in around 10 p.m.  last night.

This morning Rita and Ana willl be making the five hour drive from
Boston.  I hope they don't arrive in town right in the middle of the parade.


bonnie

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Shook hands with Clyde this am - can't wait to meet
you. We did indeed pull in about 10:30, and after
consulting with Adam, concluded it would be rude to
disturb our hosts at that unseasonable hour. We were
too excited to sleep, so went out for supper, and met
Betty and Larry. Finally got to sleep at midnight, and
are now at the internet cafe, in the parade's
aftermath. Haven't seen Tina, Lisa, or Rashmi yet;
they must be someplace having more fun than we.

I snuck to the back to wish daughter Mercy/Rachael a
happy 25th birthday today, in Europe somewhere. The
talk is about a pond - Liberty Pond? for lunch, and
Geddy's for lobster dinner.

Back to the internet highway, which is already in
progress!

clo
--- Bonniemaev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:
> >and?
>
> We, personally, have not yet heard if they made it
> safely to Unreal
> Maine.  The likelihood is that they came in around
> 10 p.m.  last night.
>
> This morning Rita and Ana willl be making the five
> hour drive from
> Boston.  I hope they don't arrive in town right in
> the middle of the parade.
>
>
> bonnie
>
>
>


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Was this an e-oops?   In any case, the list now knows that one of the
mystery guests is Clo!

 >We did indeed pull in about 10:30, and after consulting with Adam,
concluded it would be rude to
 >disturb our hosts at that unseasonable hour.

Good call.  Thank you Adam.  Clyde was already in bed at 10:30 and I was
waiting for my Unisom to kick in while reading on the couch.

>too excited to sleep, so went out for supper, and met
>Betty and Larry. Finally got to sleep at midnight,

Interesting.  One wonders just where this meeting too place.

 > Haven't seen Tina, Lisa, or Rashmi yet;

Tina and Lisa had a 9 a.m. kayak tour.

>talk is about a pond - Liberty Pond? for lunch, and
>Geddy's for lobster dinner.

Jordan Pond, I'll bet.  I wonder how that got turned into Liberty Pond??

>Back to the internet highway, which is already in progress!
>clo

Perhaps she means the parade.  The Internet highway is always in progress
or in decline, perhaps.


bonnie

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MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.

    The wedding will take place in June 2004.

    The family will reside in Mesa.

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11:35 04.07.2003 -0500 skrev John Williams:
>MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>    The family will reside in Mesa.

Congratulations!

Espen

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> 11:35 04.07.2003 -0500 skrev John Williams:
> >MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> >of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> >stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
> >
> >    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
> >
> >    The family will reside in Mesa.
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Espen

Wow! What a banner day :)

I'm happy for you both

Sandra

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John Williams:
= MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
= of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
= stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
=
=     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
=
=     The family will reside in Mesa.

Oh WOW!  That's wonderful.  I sensed a little something going on
there, but I never imagined this!  This is so great.  I'm so
happy for your both!

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----- Original Message -----
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> MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>     The family will reside in Mesa.
>

Cool and Yay!!!!!!!!!!!


alec

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In a message dated 7/4/2003 11:12:03 AM, sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

>Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>> >of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>> >stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
--------------
Congratulations
 Theo

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In a message dated 7/4/2003 11:40:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:
<<
MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.

  The wedding will take place in June 2004.

  The family will reside in Mesa.

>>

Congratulations!
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
My reality check bounced.

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steph wrote:

>  Then they wanted to
> = > know where the traditional 4th of July cookies were.
> =
> = And... are there any?
>
> No.  It was just an unabashed beg for me to bring more cookies.

I know how they feel :)

Kristin

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John Williams wrote:

> MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>     The family will reside in Mesa.

WoW! Congratulations!

Kristin

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At 10:37 AM -0700 7/4/03, steph wrote:
>John Williams:
>= MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>= of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>= stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>=
>=     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>=
>=     The family will reside in Mesa.
>
>Oh WOW!  That's wonderful.  I sensed a little something going on
>there, but I never imagined this!

Whereas I am somewhat crestfallen, as I never twigged even though I
attended Jigglefest.  Sly dogs, both of them!

Congratulations to the happy couple!

Ken Miller
Nuptial Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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 Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray,
> and stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
> >
> >    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
> >
> >    The family will reside in Mesa.
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Espen

The very best wishes from Alabama.


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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

> Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray,
>> and stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>> >
>> >    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>> >
>> >    The family will reside in Mesa.
>>
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> Espen
>
>The very best wishes from Alabama.

And also from the Great State of Tennessee.

Bethany

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On Friday, July 04, 2003 at 11:35, John Williams wrote:

> MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>     The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>     The family will reside in Mesa.

Wow!

I, of course, had no clue. But then I was similarly clueless about
Anne & Graham way back when. Shows what my social skills are like...

Congrats, roomie!

Tony H.

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But first of all, congratulations to Amy and JMW.  Those of us here are
mostly stunned into speechlessness, although Natalie seems to remember some
"spark" between the two of you at Jigglefest.  Best Wishes.

It's been a rather quiet day for Clyde and me.  Part of being the hosts
seems to be running a message center, sort of a central station clearing
house.  Rita and Ana showed up here before doing anything else.  We got out
maps and gave advice.  They left Rita's truck up here at the abandoned
greenhouse, having left off a case of Samuel Adams beer, and walked down to
the village for lunch.  They returned around 3:30, chatted for awhile, and
have gone to claim their camp site before coming back into the village for
a 5 p.m. dinner at Geddy's with the gang.

Lisa and Queen LaTina did their kayak tour.  Lisa checked in by phone to
find out what was happening and reported that Tina got a bit seasick in the
kayak.  This morning's fog might have something to do with it.  We didn't
get a full report.

The Wilds, Natalie, Betty and Larry, Rashmi, Adam, and the Mystery Guests
enjoyed the parade from the Internet Cafe.  I believe that Adam and Rashmi
then went for a hike in Acadia on the carriage trails.  Yesterday I
recommended Witch Hole Pond which is a three mile loop without any scary
drop-offs that might horrify Adam.  We haven't heard from them but I
believe they were going to join the group at Geddy's for a lobster dinner.

Oh yes, the mystery guests.  I guess we might as well tell:  Joining Clo
are the evil twins BrPaul and Karen.  They drove up together from Syracuse,
Karen having flown in to Syracuse from Austin instead of whatever lie she
told the list to keep her status a mystery.

Paul has not been heard from (by us) since the parade.  Rumor was he was
going off by himself to "walk the beach".  Nor do I know what the Wild
family was up to.

Karen and Clo went off to Jordan Pond and the tea house there for
lunch.  So did Betty, Larry, and Natalie.  After lunch, the five of them
stopped here for a bit, their visit coinciding with Ana and Rita's return
visit.

Right now the clan will be gathering at Geddy's.  Clyde and I will skip the
crowd tonight and get some down time before the gathering here tomorrow
afternoon.  No new pictures to post.


bonnie

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>
> Wow!
>
> I, of course, had no clue. But then I was similarly clueless about
> Anne & Graham way back when. Shows what my social skills are like...
>
> Congrats, roomie!
>
> Tony H.

So.  Is Words-L a thinly disguised
dating game web site?   And who
shall be next?

             - D. M.

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Congratulations!  I have got to stay tuned in to this <service> now that
I am back.  I have missed a ton!  Again, best wishes!

Rita L.

John Williams wrote:

>MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
>
>    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>    The family will reside in Mesa.
>
>

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Bookrat wrote:
:
> >John Williams:
> >= MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
> >= of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
> >= stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
there, but I never imagined this!
>
> Whereas I am somewhat crestfallen, as I never twigged even though I
> attended Jigglefest.  Sly dogs, both of them!
>
> Congratulations to the happy couple!

 Best Wishes from Sly, who isn't really a dog.

The clues have been cryptic that's for sure.  It must have been that
Prime Meeber ceremony at JiggleFest.


--
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= >
= >Oh WOW!  That's wonderful.  I sensed a little something going on
= >there, but I never imagined this!
=
= Whereas I am somewhat crestfallen, as I never twigged even though I
= attended Jigglefest.  Sly dogs, both of them!
=

Sensed is a big word.  Caught a whiff of a possibility is more
like it.  And only recently, actually.

I went looking for some of those cryptic little posts.
http://tinyurl.com/g29h
http://tinyurl.com/g2a4

from the archives.

Ooh.  This is fun.  Here's a hint!  What is contained in that ellipsis?
http://tinyurl.com/g2ai

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, steph wrote:

>I went looking for some of those cryptic little posts.
>http://tinyurl.com/g29h
>http://tinyurl.com/g2a4
>
>from the archives.
>
>Ooh.  This is fun.  Here's a hint!  What is contained in that ellipsis?
>http://tinyurl.com/g2ai

Apparently we need your password to access the tinyurls.

Bethany

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> > Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray,
> >> and stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
> >> >
> >> >    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
> >> >
> >> >    The family will reside in Mesa.
> >>
> >> Congratulations!
> >>
> >> Espen
> >
> >The very best wishes from Alabama.
>
> And also from the Great State of Tennessee.
>
> Bethany

Well put, Bethany!


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>
> Right now the clan will be gathering at Geddy's.
> Clyde and I will skip the
> crowd tonight and get some down time before the
> gathering here tomorrow
> afternoon.  No new pictures to post.
>
>
> bonnie

Thanks to you, I've been able to put some faces to
these formless Wordslers.  Sounds like you've done an
admirable job of meshing communications, catering,
entertaining, trail boss, and hospitality.  I know I'm
speaking for many more than  when I compliment you on
a tour de force.


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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, steph wrote:
>
> >I went looking for some of those cryptic little
> posts.
> >http://tinyurl.com/g29h
> >http://tinyurl.com/g2a4
> >
> >from the archives.
> >
> >Ooh.  This is fun.  Here's a hint!  What is
> contained in that ellipsis?
> >http://tinyurl.com/g2ai
>
> Apparently we need your password to access the
> tinyurls.
>
> Bethany

Ditto.  That was well put, too.


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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>> Apparently we need your password to access the
>> tinyurls.
>>
>> Bethany
>
>Ditto.  That was well put, too.

Whoooo ... thank you.. Twice. What did I do to get on your good side,
Lynne? For that you get a 20% discount whenever you want it.

And - I will tell you that the coat I purchased off the web instead of at
Parisian came from Nordstrom - not eBay. It was delivered on Thursday. In
addition to being a lot less expensive, it is also a superior product.
The coat is reversible, so the usual fabric tags are not in the usual
places. There were none on the coat at Parisian. On the one from
Nordstrom, the fabric info is sewed into one pocket.

Bethany

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> Whoooo ... thank you.. Twice. What did I do to get
> on your good side,
> Lynne? For that you get a 20% discount whenever you
> want it.

> Bethany

I don't know, I think I'm a little feverish tonight.
About the 20% discount.  Could we - - - -negotiate?


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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:35:12 -0500, John Williams
<williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU> wrote:

>MURRAY, KY.--Master Carl Bradley Short announces the recent engagement
>of his mother, Amy Louise Burns (Short) of Murray, and his future
>stepfather, John Mark Williams of Mesa, Ariz.
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>    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>
>    The family will reside in Mesa.

Holy cats! That's incredible! Wowowowoweee!~ Congrats and best wishes.

-aht

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<P>rno <A HREF="mailto:axbaxb2003@yahoo.es?subject=EnEspanol">EnEspanol</A> - <A HREF="mailto:axbaxb2003@yahoo.es?subject=EmPortugues">EmPortugues</A> - From Robert González, Reconquista 419, p. 7 - Buenos Aires, Capital Federal</P>
<P>June 25, 2003: Editorial, Destaque Internacional</P>
<B><FONT SIZE=5><P>Leftist Movements: The Hidden Truth behind "Anti-Americanism"</P>
</B></FONT><P>Behind the recent wave of anti-Americanism, inspired by leftist movements of the entire world and amplified by the communications media, there are two underlying motives about which almost no one talks:</P>
<P>First, a silent resentment against free nations inspired by Communism and religious progressivism, and, in particular, against the United States, provoked by the collapse of the Soviet empire in 1990. It was a collapse that left the noisy failure of Marxist collectivism exposed, with its panorama of misery and bloodshed; and which, with its fall, destroyed the myths by which Communism misled the world for decades. </P>
<P>Second, the conservative tendency of important sectors of American public opinion, which was being consolidated in recent years, influencing the direction of the country and constituting an uncomfortable obstacle to the revolutionary advancement. </P>
<P>To hide these true motivations and to try to draw world public opinion behind it, the leftist movements gave rise to an irrational and emotional style of anti-Americanism, which appears to condemn indiscriminately everything that comes from the United States. </P>
<P>In reality, in the midst of that nation-continent a huge diversity of ideas and of cultures exists, many of them antagonistic. Inside the very government of the United States, portrayed as monolithic by this irrational anti-Americanism, different and even contradictory tendencies exist, a question that it is indispensable to address at an opportune moment. </P>
<P>In this American diversity, everything that was and is contrary to the principles of Christian Civilization in the social, cultural, political and religious spheres is worthy of censure. However, it is not this that is disturbing and irritating to Communism and Leftism, but, instead, that which the United States has done in the way of good - in particular, in defense of liberty.</P>
<P>In politics, what is presented in an exaggerated manner, without the indispensable nuances, runs the risk of falling into discredit and finishing in oblivion. The present leftist wave of anti-Americanism, still counting on the reverberations from the powerful communications media, is extremely vulnerable by virtue of its bias, exaggerations and oversights, which go against common sense. </P>
<P>The cause of Christian Civilization requires of each one of us an effort to contribute toward exposing the artificiality of such a maneuver of worldwide extension. In this way, we will be able to exclaim, paraphrasing the writer Hans Christian Andersen: "Naked is irrational anti-Americanism!" </P>
<P>References:</P>
<P>* Jamie Glazov (coord.), Paul Hollander, Stanley Kurtz, Dan Flynn &amp; Victor Davis Hanson, "Anti-Americanism", Front Page Magazine.</P>
<P>* Roger Kimball, "The New Anti-Americanism", The New Criterion. </P>
<P>* Center of Studies on Information, "Leftist Media Bias: A Grave Problem."</P>
<P>* Destaque Internacional, "Silenced Truth: 'Pacifists' Protect Tyrants and Encourage Wars."</P>
<P>* CubDest, "World Social Forum: The 'Networks,' Theirs Goals and Strategies." </P>
<P>* Henri Carri&egrave;res, "Anti-Americanism in the Brazilian Media," Media Without Mask (in Portuguese). </P>
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>>    The wedding will take place in June 2004.
>>
>>    The family will reside in Mesa.
>
>Holy cats! That's incredible! Wowowowoweee!~ Congrats and best wishes.
>
>-aht

I'd say that it's entirely credible -- after all, there *is* precedent. ;-)

In retrospect, the news is not entirely surprising.  In retrospect -- sly
dogs though they were -- it shouldn't have been too hard to guess that the
happy couple were sympatico.

Ken Miller
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On 5 Jul 2003 at 0:37, Bookrat wrote:

> In retrospect, the news is not entirely surprising.  In retrospect --
> sly dogs though they were -- it shouldn't have been too hard to guess
> that the happy couple were sympatico.

You'd think they could at least have the good grace to schedule the
wedding for July 4 at the site of the next list assembly.

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Check out the web cam at:

http://tinyurl.com/g302

In the shot at 0730, two figures lurk in the murk across the street from
Geddys.  Yes, folks, it's Bonnie and Betty.

cwv

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Fun day yesterday.  Great parade, especially the greyhounds and the "No
Wars" float and the Shriners or whoever driving their go-carts over a
rolling ramp.  THen Jordan Pond.  Then hanging out at the Voigtlander
house.  Then Geddy's and wanderings and fireworks.  I'm meeting my
friends the Blaneys this morning to do the Indian Festival.  And this
afternoon is The Featured Event.  The Voigtpeople are excellent hosts.
I suggest that we fest here every year.

It was announced yesterday that JMW and Amy are getting married.  I don't
understand why everyone seemed astounded.  It strikes me as <logical>.
But then I'm mutant.

On to Quebec tomorrow.  Then home a western route.  No NYC or Kville
traffic.

B&C:  If you're reading this, remind me to give Adam back his CD
and his batteries this afternoon.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

PS: I predict wedding bells in the future for Will Wild and Ana Chapman.
They fell in love at Geddy's last night.

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since they don't use security codes anymore.  All of the above involved
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buy a card in Wmart in Ellsworth on my way to Quebec tomorrow.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>I don't know, I think I'm a little feverish tonight.
>About the 20% discount.  Could we - - - -negotiate?

Maybe - I think I have 2-3 minutes left this week.

Bethany

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> On 5 Jul 2003 at 0:37, Bookrat wrote:
>
> > In retrospect, the news is not entirely surprising.  In retrospect --
> > sly dogs though they were -- it shouldn't have been too hard to guess
> > that the happy couple were sympatico.
>
> You'd think they could at least have the good grace to schedule the
> wedding for July 4 at the site of the next list assembly.

Or they could host a reception in Mesa for those who choose not to go to
Africa next year.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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--- "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:
>
> >I don't know, I think I'm a little feverish
> tonight.
> >About the 20% discount.  Could we - - - -negotiate?
>
> Maybe - I think I have 2-3 minutes left this week.
>
> Bethany

May I use two minutes to request information from you?
The edu acronyms in your address, UTKUX, UTCC, UTK -
we have our own ideas, except for the KUX.  Will you
enlighten us?  I'll check next week to see if I can
claim any of your negotiating time.


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Clyde's chopping up things in the kitchen and the tables are set.  In an
hour and half wordslers should be arriving.  I've added a "before" picture
to the web shots site.

http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe


bonnie

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I love the pictures.  Thank you Bonnie.

Sharon

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Bonniemaev wrote:

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> to the web shots site.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe
>
>
> bonnie
>

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Thanks to all from both of us for the good wishes both on and off list.

Although we will be running around, hither and yon, here are the telphone
numbers; you are welcome to call either. Voice mail is functional at both
numbers, as well.

(270) 767-0328
(270) 748-7004

AS and JMW

(The M is for "Married"!)

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>
> AS and JMW
>
> (The M is for "Married"!)

My god.  Did I fall asleep?
Is it 2004?

       - Rip Van Winkle

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Ooh.  This is fun.  Here's a hint!  What is contained in that ellipsis?
> >http://tinyurl.com/g2ai
>
> Apparently we need your password to access the tinyurls.

I guess you weren't curious enough. Otherwise it would have occurred to you
soon to try whether your own address and password worked. Maybe I shouldn't
have revealed it? :) Everybody should perhaps get what they deserve,
according to their thirst for Knowledge.

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> >
> > AS and JMW
> >
> > (The M is for "Married"!)
>
> My god.  Did I fall asleep?
> Is it 2004?
>
>        - Rip Van Winkle

JSTBMW, perhaps

Kr.

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>May I use two minutes to request information from you?
>The edu acronyms in your address, UTKUX, UTCC, UTK -
>we have our own ideas, except for the KUX.  Will you
>enlighten us?  I'll check next week to see if I can
>claim any of your negotiating time.

I'm not sure I know what all of them are. I always give my original alias:
dumasb@utk.edu. I think dumasb@tennessee.edu works, also. I have cc'd
myself to see if it does.

UTKUX is probably University of Tennessee at Knoxville Unix
UTCC is University of Tennessee Computing Center (it no longer exists - my
address is an artifact from an earlier era - I've had the same one for
nearly 30 years )
UTK University of Tennessee Knoxville

Higher administration has been trying for years to drop the "at
Knoxville." I myself have always thought that "UTK" in the addresses was
a mistake - many people assume that I am at the U of KY.

Next week won't work unless I can find a way to log in from Sydney - at
any rate, I'll be nomail from sometime tomorrow through 7/14.

Later -
Bethany

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> Check out the web cam at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/g302
>
> In the shot at 0730, two figures lurk in the murk across the street from
> Geddys.  Yes, folks, it's Bonnie and Betty.

Were they standing there deliberately at that time? A good decision, and not
for the first time for Bonnie to be webcammed at the same point, as I
remember.

Kristin

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and many happy returns!

I'm quite sure your birthday today is gorgeous. How many cakes have you
eaten by now?

Kristin

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

>I guess you weren't curious enough. Otherwise it would have occurred to you
>soon to try whether your own address and password worked. Maybe I shouldn't
>have revealed it? :) Everybody should perhaps get what they deserve,
>according to their thirst for Knowledge.

Or perhaps I was curious in a different direction. When I went to the
URL, an address was already specified. I know little about tinyurls, so I
decided to ask for more information. You have provided some - thank you.
(Apparently I deserved more information.)

Bethany

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Thanks for being both curious and kind, Kristin.

Sharon

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > >Ooh.  This is fun.  Here's a hint!  What is contained in that ellipsis?
> > >http://tinyurl.com/g2ai
> >
> > Apparently we need your password to access the tinyurls.
>
> I guess you weren't curious enough. Otherwise it would have occurred to you
> soon to try whether your own address and password worked. Maybe I shouldn't
> have revealed it? :) Everybody should perhaps get what they deserve,
> according to their thirst for Knowledge.
>
> Kristin
>

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I guess you weren't curious enough.
> >Everybody should perhaps get what they deserve,
> >according to their thirst for Knowledge.
>
>  When I went to the
> URL, an address was already specified. I know little about tinyurls, so I
> decided to ask for more information.

I just recognized it as an archives' page, that's why I thought my e-address
should serve as good as Steph's which, yes, as a surprise for me, was already
written there.

> You have provided some - thank you.

You're welcome!

> (Apparently I deserved more information.)

Oh, I do not doubt that ;-)

Kristin

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> I'm not sure I know what all of them are. I always
> give my original alias:
> dumasb@utk.edu. I think dumasb@tennessee.edu works,
> also. > UTKUX is probably University of Tennessee at
> Knoxville Unix
> UTCC is University of Tennessee Computing Center (it
> no longer exists - my
> address is an artifact from an earlier era - I've
> had the same one for
> nearly 30 years )
> UTK University of Tennessee Knoxville
I myself have always thought that "UTK"
> in the addresses was
> a mistake - many people assume that I am at the U of
> KY.
>
> Next week won't work unless I can find a way to log
> in from Sydney - at
> any rate, I'll be nomail from sometime tomorrow
> through 7/14.
>
> Later -
> Bethany

Well, if you'll allow me dibs on your time, I will
start a tab costing you two minutes a week, and who
knows what kind of havoc we can create with a chunk of
minutes at our disposal?

Have a safe and lively trip.  Coincidentally, my
mother was named after Sydney.  Methinks you will
probably find a way to log on.

Bon voyage.


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Acadiafest is in its last fhroes.  Natalie has demonstrated her proficiency
at grilling quesadillas.  The three-course dessert (cheesecake, apple pie,
creme brulee) has been eaten.  The beer has been appreciated.  There have
been a few sprinkles, but never enough to force the participants indoors.

Harkening back to Pogo Possum:  "Honor has been upheld, and no fish and
game laws have been broken."

Others may post pictures; as for me, adieu.

cwv

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Lynne Weber wrote:

>Well, if you'll allow me dibs on your time, I will
>start a tab costing you two minutes a week, and who
>knows what kind of havoc we can create with a chunk of
>minutes at our disposal?

Sounds like fun! You've got it!

>Have a safe and lively trip.  Coincidentally, my
>mother was named after Sydney.  Methinks you will
>probably find a way to log on.

Thanks - I expect to be able to log on.

Have a great week!

Bethany

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The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.

cwv

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At 07:26 PM 7/5/2003 -0400, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>The impending (so to speak) nuptials have elicited considerable discussion
>and debate here at Acadiafest.  I have beem empowered by the group to
>report that by a vote of 11-10 we wish the participants a happy marriage.

beem = been

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Acadiafest has concluded.  The participants have departed Casa Voigtlander,
swearing undying love and devotion all around.  Tomorrow we will deal with
the wreckage, which is not significant.

William (Wild) and Ana (Rouvalis) are a great pair.  Lillia (Wild) is a
lovely young lady.  Edward (Wild) is on his way to becoming a holy
terror.  The other (adult) participants are to be commended on their
deportment.  There were no threatening gestures from neighbors and the
police did not make an appearance.  Good times, good food, great conversation.

Thanks to all who came.  For those who didn't, well, you missed one.

cwv

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I added the last photos I have, including the official fest photo.  You
will have to wait until other festers return home to their computers to get
more photos.

http://community.webshots.com/album/79515926MHrbZe


bonnie

