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Do you have an indoor ring to run them in?  I'll bet activity in such a ring
would help keep them warm.

'Alan


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> Feeding Maria will be a LOT of fun today - not! She is on winter baby
> board - they get fed grain 5 mornings a week but not Sat-Sun. They get hay
> on the weekends, but when it's this cold, I like for her to have some
> grain every day.
>
> (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)
>
> Bethany

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

>Do you have an indoor ring to run them in?  I'll bet activity in such a ring
>would help keep them warm.

No - we (horses and people) do ALL our exercise outside. We have rings, of
course, and when I cannot ride, I often work her inside or around the
outside edge of the ring.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
> No - we (horses and people) do ALL our exercise outside. We have rings, of
> course, and when I cannot ride, I often work her inside or around the
> outside edge of the ring.
>
> Bethany

You folks are hardy!  ;-)

Is the ground frozen down there; are you concerned about them slipping and
getting hurt?  'Alan

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Alyce, I'm starting to wonder if it isn't time for you to get
> out of that house before it kills you.
>
Well, my sister says to come to St. Louis. Don't know that the heat and
humidity there would be an improvement. I've been in bed with my winter
knit cap on and have been quite cozy. It is amazing how warm a cap can
make you.

alyce

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On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
= On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, steph wrote:
=
= >= (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)
= >=
= >= Bethany
= >
= >No way.  I bet she's inside most of the time.
=
= No way. She has no access to an <inside>.
=

Huh.  I've only known horses that were stabled inside, even in
California.  I suppose in and around Chicago, you have got to
keep them inside in the winter, and once you've got the
facilities, you're going to use them all year.

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steph wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> = On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, steph wrote:
> =
> = >= (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)
> = >=
> = >= Bethany
> = >
> = >No way.  I bet she's inside most of the time.
> =
> = No way. She has no access to an <inside>.
> =
>
> Huh.  I've only known horses that were stabled inside, even in
> California.  I suppose in and around Chicago, you have got to
> keep them inside in the winter, and once you've got the
> facilities, you're going to use them all year.

        No, horses don't need to be inside, even in Chicago.  They
just need an open shed or something to keep them out of the
wind and rain occasionally.  People prefer to stable and
blanket their horses in the winter so they don't get as
hairy.  The horses prefer to be outside wandering around and
grazing.  Horses who live in stalls all the time tend to
pick up bad habits, such as cribbing, chewing, and weaving,
from the boredom of it.




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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It didn't work, and then it did work.
>
> What do you mean by 'work'?

It took a picture of the screen.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>  People prefer to stable and
> blanket their horses in the winter so they don't get as
> hairy.

Why don't they want hairy horses?

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Where does everyone like to stay while visiting? My conference is being
held at the Riveria. I've never stayed there.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
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> Where does everyone like to stay while visiting? My conference is being
> held at the Riveria. I've never stayed there.

Never been there. Ken stayed at the Egyptian place with the pyramid,
whatever it's called, when he got married. Said it was very nice.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>> People prefer to stable and
>>blanket their horses in the winter so they don't get as
>>hairy.
>>
>
> Why don't they want hairy horses?


        It's a lot of work to shed them out in time for the first
spring shows.  And it takes longer for the sweat to dry
after riding.




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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Alyce, I'm starting to wonder if it isn't time for you to get
>>out of that house before it kills you.
>>
>>
> Well, my sister says to come to St. Louis. Don't know that the heat and
> humidity there would be an improvement. I've been in bed with my winter
> knit cap on and have been quite cozy. It is amazing how warm a cap can
> make you.
>

        Probably not.  But then I could keep an eye on you.




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>Never been there. Ken stayed at the Egyptian place with the pyramid,
>whatever it's called, when he got married. Said it was very nice.


>alyce

The Mirage? No -- I think it's the Luxor.

Right?

AS

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>Where does everyone like to stay while visiting? My conference is being
>held at the Riveria. I've never stayed there.


>Betty

I always stayed with friends who used to live there, but I always thought
I'd go for Caesar's Palace.

AS

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My next conference is in Atlanta, at the Marriott Downtown. I've never
visited there -- only connected through the airport a lot, and have driven
through a couple of times. During the days I will be there it looks like
"The Magic Flute" will be performed by the Atlanta Opera, and I think I will
get a ticket when they go on sale in a couple of days. I cannot work up a
lot of enthusiasm for the place, but that's mostly because I don't know a
lot about it, I guess.

AS

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

>You folks are hardy!  ;-)
>
>Is the ground frozen down there; are you concerned about them slipping and
>getting hurt?  'Alan

Oh, no - it does not stay this cold long enough for the ground to be a
problem. Also, the staff who carry hay out drive the tractor around enough
to break up the ground surface when that is necessary. Hay is taken out
very afternoon. Also, the horses can be moved into a large paddock if the
ground gets to be a problem.

The horses are quite well cared for. Each has a 2-piece wardrobe: rhino
sheets for wet weather, rambo sheets for cold weather. They have been
wearing rambos for several days now. When you go out, if you put your hand
under the rambo, you see that it is quite toasty underneath it.

I have yet to see a cold horse. We have a few stalls for injured or ill
horses.

Bethany

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        It's a lot of work to shed them out in time for the first
>spring shows.  And it takes longer for the sweat to dry
>after riding.

Right - the sweat is a big problem here.

Bethany

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>alyce cresap wrote:

> Well, my sister says to come to St. Louis. Don't know that the heat and
> humidity there would be an improvement. I've been in bed with my winter
> knit cap on and have been quite cozy. It is amazing how warm a cap can
> make you.

I stepped off an airplane in St. Louis in August once and nearly
fainted. It's worse then Houston.

Bethany

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>Right - the sweat is a big problem here.

>Bethany

Not right now it isn't!!!

AS, reporting in at a 7F wind-chill factor

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Subject: Re: Suspect Pets
In-Reply-To: <20030118164601.C23746@yoccoz.multinix.com> from steph at "Jan 18,
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steph said:
> = > Goldfish?  Guppies?  Upsidown Catfish?
> =
> = 2 silver dollar fish, 2 striped something-or-others, one tetra, one
> = neon tetra. The first 4 are extremely aggressive, so I have to count
> = bodies every morning.
> =
>
> That's funny, the first web page I looked at for the silver
> dollar fish made them seem pretty mellow.

These things are like piranhas.

> = I don't really like these fish, but they came with the tank. I've had
> = them for two years, and I'm just waiting for them to die so I can redo
> = the tank as a marine tank.
> =
>
> You mean salt water?  Those are a bitch to keep, and the fish are
> expensive and they keep dying because it's hard to keep the pH
> level in the tank right, or something like that.

I've never set up a marine tank on my own, but I took care of
Karsten's for a couple of years and didn't kill anything.

Karen
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At 11:27 AM 1/18/2003 -0600, Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >Never been there. Ken stayed at the Egyptian place with the pyramid,
> >whatever it's called, when he got married. Said it was very nice.
>
>
> >alyce
>
>The Mirage? No -- I think it's the Luxor.
>
>Right?

Luxor Pyramid, right.

Betty

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> >= I don't really like these fish, but they came with the tank. I've had
> >= them for two years, and I'm just waiting for them to die so I can redo
> >= the tank as a marine tank.
>
> A half-cup of bleach ought to shorten the waiting period.

But that would be murder. My ethics don't permit that.

> The real problem is replenishing the sea water (simply making up salt water
> at about 35 0/00 won't do it).

They now sell 'Instant Ocean'.

> Marine tanks also seem to need finer
> temperature control and much better filtration.

Yup. Among others.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > It didn't work, and then it did work.
> >
> > What do you mean by 'work'?
>
> It took a picture of the screen.

How did you view the picture?

Karen
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>  But then I could keep an eye on you.

And I could keep an eye on you, too. Lovely as that would be, I really
and truly do not like St. Louis. Nice people and all that, but it lacks
something--I don't know what.

alyce

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>
> I stepped off an airplane in St. Louis in August once and nearly
> fainted. It's worse then Houston.

I hear you. I have visited in the summer. I don't know how people live.
My sister says, "Yabbut everything is air conditioned," and I say, "So
how do you get out to the store, etc.?" And she has no reply. I never
visited my favorite cousin who lived in Houston because of my fear of
heat and humidity, and that was before my oxygen dependency. And now
he's dead.

alyce

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Amy Burns Short wrote:
>  I think it's the Luxor.

Yes, that sounds right.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
They now sell 'Instant Ocean'.

Doug and Tammy have a huge salt water tank. Doug knows all about that
stuff. They have an iguana in the bathtub, too. As well as two cats, two
dogs, and I think Tammy has some kind of talking bird(s), but I am not
sure.

alyce
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Karen Kay wrote:

> How did you view the picture?

Plopped it into one of those pad things -- Notepad or Wordpad or
whatever.

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Going to an anti-war protest without a sign would be like going to a
birthday party without a present, wouldn't it.  Should I make a small
paper sign to pin on a cap or something?
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alyce cresap said:
> Doug and Tammy have a huge salt water tank. Doug knows all about that
> stuff. They have an iguana in the bathtub, too. As well as two cats, two
> dogs, and I think Tammy has some kind of talking bird(s), but I am not
> sure.

7 pets is my limit.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > How did you view the picture?
>
> Plopped it into one of those pad things -- Notepad or Wordpad or
> whatever.

So how do you know it was the taking rather than the plopping?

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > How did you view the picture?
> >
> > Plopped it into one of those pad things -- Notepad or Wordpad or
> > whatever.
>
> So how do you know it was the taking rather than the plopping?

?  That what was the taking rather than the plopping?  How can one plop
without first taking?

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Going to an anti-war protest without a sign would be like going to a
> birthday party without a present, wouldn't it.

Huh?

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Going to an anti-war protest without a sign would be like going to a
> > birthday party without a present, wouldn't it.
>
> Huh?

I have one now.  Printed this one:

http://www.notinourname.net/downloads/no_war_on_iraq_nion.pdf

It will be pinned to my Idatarod cap.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Going to an anti-war protest without a sign would be like going to a
> birthday party without a present, wouldn't it.  Should I make a small
> paper sign to pin on a cap or something?

Perhaps a big sign on a stick? Or saddle-bag signs for Spencer.
Seventeen busloads went to Washington today from this area, which is
just amazing because mostly there are Republicans up here, and we are
not heavily populated.

alyce

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At 12:06 PM 1/18/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Going to an anti-war protest without a sign would be like going to a
>birthday party without a present, wouldn't it.  Should I make a small
>paper sign to pin on a cap or something?
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm a Taurus.

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Perhaps a big sign on a stick? Or saddle-bag signs for Spencer.

Hmm.  I hadn't planned on taking Spencer.  Maybe I should.  Meanwhile my
sign from the notinourname website looks very good pinned to the back of
my cap.  I just printed another copy to either hold in my hands or wear
on my front.  I'd love to print some of the ones on that other web site
that has some great posters etc., but they're for sale, not for
stealing.  The notinourname site encourages printing their sign.

> Seventeen busloads went to Washington today from this area, which is
> just amazing because mostly there are Republicans up here, and we are
> not heavily populated.

I worry that our turnout is going to be very small.  The students are
all gone for the long weekend, which doesn't matter since they're mainly
Dubyaites anyway, but many other people are gone this weekend also.  And
the cold weather doesn't inspire people to be out on the courthouse
steps.

--
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Who is "Shades of Gray"?  I don't know that organization at all, which
is probably pretty dumb.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6727083&BRD=2022&PAG=461&dept_id=335911&rfi=6
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At 12:36 PM 1/18/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Perhaps a big sign on a stick? Or saddle-bag signs for Spencer.
>
>Hmm.  I hadn't planned on taking Spencer.  Maybe I should.  Meanwhile my
>sign from the notinourname website looks very good pinned to the back of
>my cap.  I just printed another copy to either hold in my hands or wear
>on my front.  I'd love to print some of the ones on that other web site
>that has some great posters etc., but they're for sale, not for
>stealing.  The notinourname site encourages printing their sign.
>
> > Seventeen busloads went to Washington today from this area, which is
> > just amazing because mostly there are Republicans up here, and we are
> > not heavily populated.
>
>I worry that our turnout is going to be very small.  The students are
>all gone for the long weekend, which doesn't matter since they're mainly
>Dubyaites anyway, but many other people are gone this weekend also.  And
>the cold weather doesn't inspire people to be out on the courthouse
>steps.

Take your camera!

Betty

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > How did you view the picture?
> > >
> > > Plopped it into one of those pad things -- Notepad or Wordpad or
> > > whatever.
> >
> > So how do you know it was the taking rather than the plopping?
>
> ?  That what was the taking rather than the plopping?  How can one plop
> without first taking?

Well, one can't. But how does one distinguish a failure to plop from a
failure to take?

Karen
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Betty wrote:

> Take your camera!

Good idea.  I bet the batteries are dead, but I'll stick it into my
purse right now.

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alyce cresap said:
> Seventeen busloads went to Washington today from this area, which is
> just amazing because mostly there are Republicans up here, and we are
> not heavily populated.

Now's the time to go rob all those houses!

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > How did you view the picture?
> > > >
> > > > Plopped it into one of those pad things -- Notepad or Wordpad or
> > > > whatever.
> > >
> > > So how do you know it was the taking rather than the plopping?
> >
> > ?  That what was the taking rather than the plopping?  How can one plop
> > without first taking?
>
> Well, one can't. But how does one distinguish a failure to plop from a
> failure to take?

If the attempted plopping is onto the same plopping place, and it
doesn't plop but then does plop, one can guess that the problem is with
the taking rather than with the plopping.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> It will be pinned to my Idatarod cap.

Excellent. And you do remember how to make the Peace sign?

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Who is "Shades of Gray"?  I don't know that organization at all, which
> is probably pretty dumb.

A college activist group, it says. I wonder if they are active in other
areas, too.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> But then I could keep an eye on you.
>>
>
> And I could keep an eye on you, too. Lovely as that would be, I really
> and truly do not like St. Louis. Nice people and all that, but it lacks
> something--I don't know what.
>


        Charm.




--
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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>>alyce cresap wrote:
>>
>
>>Well, my sister says to come to St. Louis. Don't know that the heat and
>>humidity there would be an improvement. I've been in bed with my winter
>>knit cap on and have been quite cozy. It is amazing how warm a cap can
>>make you.
>>
>
> I stepped off an airplane in St. Louis in August once and nearly
> fainted. It's worse then Houston.


        One does manage to survive.



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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Charm.

Yes, I think so. And a crappy "downtown," the theatre refurbishment
notwithstanding.

alyce

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Serta has been using Nick Parks' sheep in their commercials, and
selling sheep figures and other memorabilia. Anyway, they are OUT of
all the sheep!!

Not that I could afford to buy one at $10 each. But I was surprised
they were so sold out--except for Sheep #13. They have some of those.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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At 11:20 PM 1/16/03 -0500, Alyce Cresap http://www.alybooks.com
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>I have to cut pills in half,
>but they are so small that I don't think it will be easy.

In a drugstore near me, they sell pill-splitters, little plastic and sharp
metal gadgets to split pills.

Probably someone can go buy one for you.

An ordinary knife is not sharp enough.

J. E. McIntosh <jemcinto@idirect.ca>

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James McIntosh wrote:
>
> An ordinary knife is not sharp enough.

Thanks, but I managed. Cut it with scissors. Worked fine.

alyce

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02003-01-18 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:14:10AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = Karen Kay wrote:
> = > > Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?
> = >
> = > Because.
> =
> = Ah.  That explains it!
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part2/section-20.html
>
> Not only does it just say SysRq, but it does something that
> doesn't do anything!

Butt out, this is K-R-N and Natalie's show.

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 Betty wrote:
 > Where does everyone like to stay while visiting? My conference is being
> held at the Riveria. I've never stayed there.

My sister and I stayed at the Riviera.  We enjoyed ourselves.

--
Sylvia Edwards
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In a message dated 1/18/2003 6:12:40 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< This sounds excellent!  Who is this driver?  Do you know him well?
 >>
Yes, he used to be a 'family friend' when I was married. He's also an animal
lover, so I can't go wrong with that. He's got some kind of small truck, and
he says it's got enough room for my wheelchair even! All I need to worry
about now is the moving part.
Theo

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Excellent. And you do remember how to make the Peace sign?

Yes.

I would say that the rally had a good turnout considering this is a
small town on a very cold day in a weekend when lots of people are out
of town.  I'm no good at all at estimating numbers of people at events,
but I asked some people around me who said they'd estimate the size of
the crowd as at least two hundred.

I did take some pictures, Betty.  Will deal with them in a little
while.  Am thinking about taking Spencer for a short walk right now.
The pictures won't be all that exciting -- I should've moved across the
street or something to get better ones.

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Who is "Shades of Gray"?  I don't know that organization at all, which
> > is probably pretty dumb.
>
> A college activist group, it says. I wonder if they are active in other
> areas, too.

They weren't mentioned at all at the rally.  Representatives from
various organizations made little talks, but I don't think anything was
said about Shades of Gray.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Not only does it just say SysRq, but it does something that
> > doesn't do anything!
>
> Butt out, this is K-R-N and Natalie's show.

Show's over.  I now know how to take and plop.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/18/2003 6:12:40 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
> << This sounds excellent!  Who is this driver?  Do you know him well?
>  >>
> Yes, he used to be a 'family friend' when I was married. He's also an animal
> lover, so I can't go wrong with that. He's got some kind of small truck, and
> he says it's got enough room for my wheelchair even! All I need to worry
> about now is the moving part.

He sounds perfect!

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http://www.maynor.net/rally.html

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Who is "Shades of Gray"?  I don't know that organization at all, which
> > is probably pretty dumb.
>
> A college activist group, it says. I wonder if they are active in other
> areas, too.

I just found this web page:

http://www2.msstate.edu/~gjg8/shadesofgray/

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> I just found this web page:
>
> http://www2.msstate.edu/~gjg8/shadesofgray/

The world is not black nor white; it's shades of gray.

Thanks.
alyce

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maynor@SLEEPY.WOJOMEDIA.COM wrote:
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> http://www.maynor.net/rally.html

I'm not Betty, but I looked at them. How many people were there? How
cold was it? THe sun makes it look warm. I see that there appear to be
more "old" people than young. That surprises me, even though you said
many students are away for the weekend.

alyce

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> > It will be pinned to my Idatarod cap.

>  Excellent. And you do remember how to make the Peace sign?

Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I'm not Betty, but I looked at them. How many people were there?

The guess of some people standing near me was that there were at least
two hundred people there.  I have always found judging crowd sizes
impossible for some reason.  Like after one of my big xmas parties the
only way I can have any idea how many people came is by going back over
the guest list and counting those I remember seeing at the party.

> How
> cold was it? THe sun makes it look warm.

I don't know.  It had been in the single digits early this morning but
had warmed up a good bit by the time of the rally.  In the thirties
probably.  The sun did help.  I could have gotten along without my
Iditarod cap.  (I realized later that people probably thought I was Arab
because of the way that hat wraps around the head and neck.  Except that
I knew most of the people there, and they know I'm not Arab.)

> I see that there appear to be
> more "old" people than young. That surprises me, even though you said
> many students are away for the weekend.

I dunno.  The ages ranged from toddlers to the elderly.  Not many
teenagers.  That was an age gap.  But pretty much all other ages were
there.  The majority were definitely older than typical student age.
Somehow that doesn't surprise me, though.  As I said earlier, the
majority of our students are little Dubyaites.  Faculty are far more
likely to be involved in war protests than are students.

I wish I had a copy of a funny poem an anthropologist read near the end
of the series of talks.  He said it was written by "The Writers' Group
of Starkville."  I have no idea what that is.  It was a narrative about
a polker night with Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfield, and Trent Lott, when Dubya
came up with the idea of attacking Iraq, except that he couldn't
remember whether Hussein, his Daddy's enemy, lived in Iran or Iraq.
Anyway, it was pretty funny.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.

Why?  I'm not so naive as to believe that it's going to stop the
warmongerers.  But I think it's good for people to speak out against the
war anyway.  It's good because it might help the world realize that they
shouldn't hate every single one of us -- that we are not all oil-hungry
imperialists.  And I think it's good even if it does no more than serve
as a testing to see whether we really can still speak out in this
country -- to see whether the police state that we're moving toward has
been completely put in place yet.

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> > Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.

>Why?

Because they don't seem to have a credible alternative to the
administration's
war-drums. What they're doing now is saying yes, we agree that Saddam's a
monster but let's not do anything about it. The administration has run rings
around the dissenters and has framed the debate masterfully.
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Hey, Natalie, do you have any recommendations for places to
stay in Paris? Or good web-sites to find places?

TIA,
-rashmi

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> Hey, Natalie, do you have any recommendations for places to
> stay in Paris? Or good web-sites to find places?
>
> TIA,
> -rashmi
>
Not Natalie, but that never stopped me. What area and price range ?  I know
a couple wonderful hotels in the 15th and 5th.


alec

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> The cancer is localized, and she's decided to go with radiation.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
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Radiation beats Chemo, but it is pretty shitty. I hope it goes well.


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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> > > Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.
>
> >Why?
>
> Because they don't seem to have a credible alternative to the
> administration's
> war-drums. What they're doing now is saying yes, we agree that Saddam's a
> monster but let's not do anything about it. The administration has run rings
> around the dissenters and has framed the debate masterfully.

Framed the debate masterfully??  I have heard nothing -- zero -- zilch
that makes me think we should be beating the war drums.  I have
obviously missed this masterful debate.  Yes, I believe that the US
should not be doing anything about Saddam.  The friends and neighbors of
Iraq who supposedly also think Saddam is a monster are beginning to
support him because of the US's oil-lust-motivated antics.

Oh, that's right.  There were some forgotten warheads dug up the other
day.  Fodder for immediate attack.  Well, ok.  If they are deemed an
appropriate violation, then the UN should take action.  But hey -- do we
really want to share all that oil?  Wouldn't it be better to go in by
ourselves, thus getting the benefit of fueling our SUVs happily without
having to share?

But oh -- that's right.  Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks.  Never mind
that nobody has quite been able to figure out how yet.  It's only been a
year and a half, though.  Surely his role will become clear soon.

Why, btw, are we not building up forces for an attack on North Korea?

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Hey, Natalie, do you have any recommendations for places to
> stay in Paris? Or good web-sites to find places?

When are you going? My friend Luc is there right now.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.
>
You prefer that no one say s/he is against a war? I am sure you are not
wanting war, so I don't understand.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> Why?  I'm not so naive as to believe that it's going to stop the
> warmongerers.  But I think it's good for people to speak out against the
> war anyway.  It's good because it might help the world realize that they
> shouldn't hate every single one of us -- that we are not all oil-hungry
> imperialists.  And I think it's good even if it does no more than serve
> as a testing to see whether we really can still speak out in this
> country -- to see whether the police state that we're moving toward has
> been completely put in place yet.
>
Exactly. What she said. It looked on nightly news as if there really
were hundreds of thousands in Washington and San Francisco.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Hey, Natalie, do you have any recommendations for places to
> stay in Paris? Or good web-sites to find places?

It's odd that in all the times I've been to Paris I've never stayed the
same place twice.  That's not because I disliked the places I stayed.
I've never stayed anywhere in Paris that I was unhappy with.  But none
of them grabbed me as The Place -- as in somewhere I would make it a
point to return to.  Some of the places I've stayed there have been
places I found at the train station -- as in the hotel desk you can go
up to and find a place to stay.  Some have been associated with airline
specials -- like super cheap bargains including a hotel.  Some I've
found on the web.  The last time I was there, I was actually there twice
-- going and coming -- a couple of nights there before heading south and
then a couple of nights before returning home.  I stayed in two
different hotels.  The first one I found on the web via
www.travelweb.com.  For some reason its prices were wildly different for
the two sets of dates -- cheap for the early dates, much more expensive
for the later ones.  So I made just the early reservation -- for when I
was first arriving.  I was going to poke around some more before
deciding what to do about the later time, and then I discovered by
chance that some old friends of mine were going to be in Paris at that
time (the time right before I came home) and were staying in a hotel
they'd found on the web.  They sent me the url, I made the reservation,
and we had lots of fun.  (But I don't remember now the name of the
hotel.  And it was slightly inconvenient in its distance from the
nearest metro stop.)

This is getting way too long for the simple answer that no, I don't have
any useful recommendations.  One of the last times I was there, I do
remember sitting in that tiny park near the tiny chapel across the river
from Notre Dame and looking up at a somewhat shabby hotel and thinking
I'd like to stay there.  I don't remember its name now, though.  I do
think that the next time I go, I'm going to try to find something as
close as possible to St. Michel -- as in the St. Michel metro stop.
That's where I always end up spending most of my time.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> . What they're doing now is saying yes, we agree that Saddam's a
> monster but let's not do anything about it.

I don't hear people other than Bush apologists saying that Saddam's a
monster. That poison gas thing was done when the US was still his friend
and supplying him with the ingredients, so who is the monster?

I don't think that the marches will stop the war. However, I am very
much interested in letting people around the world know that we are not
all marching lockstep here.

I said a while ago, and I say it again, I am so sorry that I am not fit
any longer for anti-war rallies. Last time I was out in snow to my waist
at the shopping mall--12 long years ago. There were only about 20 of us
then, but today there were over 125 on two buses from just right around
here.

alyce

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Not Natalie, but that never stopped me. What area and price range ?  I know
> a couple wonderful hotels in the 15th and 5th.

Tell.  I'd especially like to hear of the ones in the 5th.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >
> > > > Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.
> >
> > >Why?
> >
> > Because they don't seem to have a credible alternative to the
> > administration's
> > war-drums. What they're doing now is saying yes, we agree that Saddam's
a
> > monster but let's not do anything about it. The administration has run
rings
> > around the dissenters and has framed the debate masterfully.
>
> Framed the debate masterfully??  I have heard nothing -- zero -- zilch
> that makes me think we should be beating the war drums.  I have
> obviously missed this masterful debate.  Yes, I believe that the US
> should not be doing anything about Saddam.  The friends and neighbors of
> Iraq who supposedly also think Saddam is a monster are beginning to
> support him because of the US's oil-lust-motivated antics.

Hi Natalie,

Consider that Saddam has been actively developing WoMD of all types
including nuclear.  Now, nearly all of the politicians of D.C. are onboard
against Hussein.  They all know that if a nuclear bomb were detonated in
D.C, their arse is dust.  The problem is getting the idea out to the masses
that if D.C. goes up, our economy gets flushed for a very... long... time.
If they come out and announce the idea that they themselves are targets,
they open themselves up to being labeled as scared/frightened locally and
geopolitically.  'Can't have that and be effective.  So they are leaving it
to we American intelligent folk to recognize that a blow to D.C. is
catastrophic to all of us.

Did I describe that ok?   It's what I perceive.

'Alan

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>Because they don't seem to have a credible alternative to the
>administration's
>war-drums. What they're doing now is saying yes, we agree that Saddam's a
>monster but let's not do anything about it. The administration has run rings
>around the dissenters and has framed the debate masterfully.
>-rashmi

I disagree.  Like Natalie, I've seen no masterful debate for war.   We
didn't go to a rally today.  But the rally came to us in the form of two
College of the Atlantic students who were walking the neighborhood getting
signatures for a petition to the Bar Harbor Town Council asking that they
pass a resolution condemning a preemptive attack on Iraq.  We invited them
out of the cold and into our kitchen where we chatted for awhile and signed
their petition.

They left us with a sheet of paper naming the ten best reasons not to
invade Iraq.  I found the argument very convincing.  Summarized it goes
something like this:  There has been no act of aggression or threat of
aggression from Iraq.   Iraq does not pose any real danger to us.  It's
weapons factories and chemical and geological weapons have been nearly all
dismantled.   The US has few allies for this war.  An attack on Iraq would
ignite anti-American sentiment around the world and make us less safe.   A
war would cost billions of dollars and without any allies, like Japan in
the Gulf War, we would have to foot the whole bill and then, again without
any allies, foot the whole bill for reconstruction and occupation.  If we
can approach North Korea by getting allies and negotiating, then we should
try harder to do that with Iraq.   And, more and more, it doesn't appear to
be the will of the American people to attack Iraq.  Our elected
representatives should be held to that will.


    --bonniev

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>Did I describe that ok?   It's what I perceive.
>'Alan

No, you didn't.  Please explain how Saddam could deliver a nuclear bomb to
Washington D.C.


    --bonniev

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A couple:

Hotel Familia, 11, rue des Ecoles (5th) (metro:
Maubert-Mutualite/Jussieu/Cardinal Lemoine)
Hotel St. Germain, blvd St. Germain (6th) (metro: St.
Germain-des-Pres/Mabillon)

AS

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----- Original Message -----
From: "bonniev" <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
> >Did I describe that ok?   It's what I perceive.
> >'Alan
>
> No, you didn't.  Please explain how Saddam could deliver a nuclear bomb to
> Washington D.C.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Hi Bonnie,

In my opinion, and fwiw...  Basically, at this time, Saddam is very
challenged to do that.  Consider though, that he *has* used chemicals
against his own rebels in the north, and that his technical-war-machine
knows how to.  He could, with whatever he has leftover, hiding, do
substantial damage to D.C. even without having the time to build his own
nuke or even the resources to obtain the constructs for a dirty-bomb.  But
opportunities for obtaining those later items have never been better.

His menace is only the most threatening to our whole.  That is the issue.
Sure, there are others close to his threat potential; you *know* China is
learning from all of this protracted war-on-drugs, and now the al Qaeda
thang...

We are fighting two wars which we can't win.  China's gov is combat-smiling
at this thought.  We have become the stuff which all of our legendary folk
tales portray as villainous.  The idealistic religious peasants are up
against the imperial techincal black box, whose own citizens couldn't give a
hoot about.  I think we need to consider that we need to protect this
infrastrucure, or become a victim of it's fall.

That's my humble opinion, fwiw.  I hope I'm wrong.

'Amicabl;y, Alan

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In a message dated 01/18/2003 5:47:29 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Exactly. What she said. It looked on nightly news as if there really
were hundreds of thousands in Washington and San Francisco.


>>

I wonder what FoxNews has said about it; I've been working both
jobs all week.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 01/18/2003 12:26:14 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Good thoughts going her way, give her my best. Theo

>>

I will, thanks!

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 01/18/2003 7:30:33 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
I hope that does the trick for her.


>>

I hope so, too.  She says she's going to live another 20 years.

Evelyn Duncan
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It's 6.1 degrees F. here in R.I. at 20:22 3Jan03...

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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>The administration has run ringsaround the dissenters and has framed the
>debate masterfully.

That they've framed the rant of a gang of imperialist thugs as a debate is
indeed masterful.

Personally, what disgusts me is when those thugs wrap themselves in the
American flag, mouth the same words used by the Founding Fathers and
declare they're committing their imperialism in memory of the 9/11 victims.

Pete

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Alan Wild said:
> It's 6.1 degrees F. here in R.I. at 20:22 3Jan03...

It's 53 here. (Supposed to go down to 30 tonight.) I think my tomatoes
are a dead loss, but some of the lettuce looked okay, and all the
herbs except the basil.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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If you put old sheets over them the dew won't settle on them to freeze
later.  'A trick Ter has clued me on to. ;-)


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> Alan Wild said:
> > It's 6.1 degrees F. here in R.I. at 20:22 3Jan03...
>
> It's 53 here. (Supposed to go down to 30 tonight.) I think my tomatoes
> are a dead loss, but some of the lettuce looked okay, and all the
> herbs except the basil.
>
> Karen
> Poking and prying with purpose

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Alan Wild wrote:

>It's 6.1 degrees F. here in R.I. at 20:22 3Jan03...

A contest! Most excellent - though I cannot quite compete, since we are
having a mild heat wave here. It's still 22 degrees here (wind chill is
17).

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaminski" <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> Personally, what disgusts me is when those thugs wrap themselves in the
> American flag, mouth the same words used by the Founding Fathers...

I concur vehemently... especially when they anti the 2nd Amendment while
veiled under the FF!  Disgust is a lenient word.  I was more thinking of hot
tar and feathers.

The image I have is anachronistic... at least 200 years old.

'Alan

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Alan Wild said:
> If you put old sheets over them the dew won't settle on them to freeze
> later.  'A trick Ter has clued me on to. ;-)

Too late. If I was going to do anything, I would have done it last
night and I was too sick.

Karen
tired of coughing

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Alan Wild wrote:

> Hi Natalie,
>
> Consider that Saddam has been actively developing WoMD of all types
> including nuclear.  Now, nearly all of the politicians of D.C. are onboard
> against Hussein.  They all know that if a nuclear bomb were detonated in
> D.C, their arse is dust.  The problem is getting the idea out to the masses
> that if D.C. goes up, our economy gets flushed for a very... long... time.
> If they come out and announce the idea that they themselves are targets,
> they open themselves up to being labeled as scared/frightened locally and
> geopolitically.  'Can't have that and be effective.  So they are leaving it
> to we American intelligent folk to recognize that a blow to D.C. is
> catastrophic to all of us.
>
> Did I describe that ok?   It's what I perceive.

I'm not sure how to answer the question.  Your description seems clear
enough.  It's just that it doesn't make much sense to me.  Because it is
thought that Saddam is developing WoMD, the Washington gang thinks they
may be targeted and we should all be worried because it might flush our
economy?  Let me ask once again:  Why are we not building up troops to
attack North Korea?

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Alan Wild wrote:

> nuke or even the resources to obtain the constructs for a dirty-bomb.  But
> opportunities for obtaining those later items have never been better.

Indeed.  Dubya has most definitely made things easier for Saddam re good
will and support.

> We are fighting two wars which we can't win.  China's gov is combat-smiling
> at this thought.  We have become the stuff which all of our legendary folk
> tales portray as villainous.

Yep.  But I'm not sure how China fits into this.

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In R.I. 5.0 F at 21:11 18Jan03...  ;-)   'and dropping...

Bethany, super fun!  ;-)  'Alan


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> A contest! Most excellent - though I cannot quite compete, since we are
> having a mild heat wave here. It's still 22 degrees here (wind chill is
> 17).
>
> Bethany

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Personally, what disgusts me is when those thugs wrap themselves in the
> American flag, mouth the same words used by the Founding Fathers and
> declare they're committing their imperialism in memory of the 9/11 victims.

Hear, hear!

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >It's 6.1 degrees F. here in R.I. at 20:22 3Jan03...
>
> A contest! Most excellent - though I cannot quite compete, since we are
> having a mild heat wave here. It's still 22 degrees here (wind chill is
> 17).

We're into major heat right now.  It's only a little bit below 30 right
now and promises not to go much below 20 tonight.

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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Alan Wild wrote:
> > Personally, what disgusts me is when those thugs wrap themselves in the
> > American flag, mouth the same words used by the Founding Fathers...
>
> I concur vehemently... especially when they anti the 2nd Amendment while
> veiled under the FF!  Disgust is a lenient word.  I was more thinking of hot
> tar and feathers.

? I'm not sure that I follow.  Isn't the second amendment about a
militia?  How does that fit here?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> > >It's 6.1 degrees F. here in R.I. at 20:22 3Jan03...
> >
> > A contest! Most excellent - though I cannot quite compete, since we are
> > having a mild heat wave here. It's still 22 degrees here (wind chill is
> > 17).
>
> We're into major heat right now.  It's only a little bit below 30 right
> now and promises not to go much below 20 tonight.

I'm not about to go look mpw, but at 6 it was +4F. Just north of Albany,
it was minus 35F this morning. Our biggest chill is to come Tuesday
night-Wednesday morning, and it is not expected that we wiil see +20F
until Friday.

alyce

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> I'm not sure how to answer the question.  Your description seems clear
> enough.  It's just that it doesn't make much sense to me.  Because it is
> thought that Saddam is developing WoMD, the Washington gang thinks they
> may be targeted and we should all be worried because it might flush our
> economy?  Let me ask once again:  Why are we not building up troops to
> attack North Korea?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I have no doubt that SKorean forces are on high-alert.  I also have no doubt
that China is also keen on the trouble on the peninsula.  In terms of our
response to an aggressive NKorea, there would be Hell to pay, most likely.
NKorea is a rogue nation... not respected by others more than as a nuisance,
China included.

The reason I am concerned about China is that they are polarized from the
"west": economically, socially, culturally, politically.  They are also
resource-rich and self-sustaining down to the town level.  This lack of
dependency, of either we on them, or they on us, (did I put that right?) is
disconcerting.  It will only serve to play into the exclusionary political
principle of them against us... all too easy for politicians to play up on,
fodder for trouble.

'Alan

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Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

>Not Natalie, but that never stopped me. What area and price range ?  I know
>a couple wonderful hotels in the 15th and 5th.

Thanks, Alec. Anything not-too-pricey will do. I'm only going to be
there a coupla nights - side jaunt during a 2-week business trip to
Antwerp. Last time I was there (8 years ago?) I didn't look much
beforehand and ended up at a so-so non-descript place.

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----- Original Message -----
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> Isn't the second amendment about a
> militia?  How does that fit here?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The 2nd always fits in: whether you want complete autonomy or simply to
state your case, the 2nd is your Ace in the hole.

(For an explanation of what this means, dial
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alyce cresap said:
> I'm not about to go look mpw, but at 6 it was +4F. Just north of Albany,
> it was minus 35F this morning. Our biggest chill is to come Tuesday
> night-Wednesday morning, and it is not expected that we wiil see +20F
> until Friday.

Did your furnace guy come?

Karen
tired of coughing

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Thanks, Amy.

I mentioned Natalie in my post only because I had
just replied to her post and because I remembered
her many spring break trips to Paris. Thought she
might have a favorite. I clean forgot about Alec's
many trips to Paris when his dad lived there.

-rashmi

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Alan Wild wrote:
> > I'm not sure how to answer the question.  Your description seems clear
> > enough.  It's just that it doesn't make much sense to me.  Because it is
> > thought that Saddam is developing WoMD, the Washington gang thinks they
> > may be targeted and we should all be worried because it might flush our
> > economy?  Let me ask once again:  Why are we not building up troops to
> > attack North Korea?
>
> I have no doubt that SKorean forces are on high-alert.  I also have no doubt
> that China is also keen on the trouble on the peninsula.  In terms of our
> response to an aggressive NKorea, there would be Hell to pay, most likely.
> NKorea is a rogue nation... not respected by others more than as a nuisance,
> China included.
>
> The reason I am concerned about China is that they are polarized from the
> "west": economically, socially, culturally, politically.  They are also
> resource-rich and self-sustaining down to the town level.  This lack of
> dependency, of either we on them, or they on us, (did I put that right?) is
> disconcerting.  It will only serve to play into the exclusionary political
> principle of them against us... all too easy for politicians to play up on,
> fodder for trouble.

So why again are we attacking Iraq?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I mentioned Natalie in my post only because I had
> just replied to her post and because I remembered
> her many spring break trips to Paris.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

??  I can't remember more than one spring break when I've gone to Paris
-- the one when I broke my big toe in several places by dropping a log
on it a few days before I left on that trip.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie:

>Framed the debate masterfully??  I have heard nothing -- zero -- zilch
>that makes me think we should be beating the war drums.  I have
>obviously missed this masterful debate.

They've framed the debate their way in the manner of the day,
i.e., Saddam is a monster and anyone who doesn't see that is
unpartriotic etc. The war resolution that was passed thro'
congress before the elections - that was a debate. The mid-term
election campaign was a debate. Dubya going to the UN was a
debate. I call that masterful. What is masterful is the administration
spokespeople putting the burden of proof not on the inspectors,
but on Saddam to show he has destroyed everything.

These guys are geniuses. I've seen nothing from the anti-war
people except a garbled jumble of reasons.

I'm going to read Bonnie's post where she discusses the flier
the students left her. I don't buy into the administration's
arguments. But I'm not impressed by the anti-war people's
reasons for opposing the war. I want more than a "because."

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>So why again are we attacking Iraq?

---------------------------------------------------------
>From the story in The Onion:

Bush on North Korea: We must invade Iraq

"For years, Kim Jong Il has acted in blatant disregard of the Treaty on the
Non-Proliferation Of Nuclear Weapons, and last week, he rejected it
outright," Bush told reporters after a National Security Council meeting on
North Korea. "We cannot allow weapons of mass destruction to remain in the
hands of volatile, unpredictable leaders. Which is exactly why we must act
quickly and decisively against Saddam Hussein."

"I applaud the International Atomic Energy Agency's condemnation of North
Korea's nuclear efforts," Bush said. "I trust that the world community will
act capably and decisively in this matter—as capably and decisively as the
U.S. will act against Iraq."

---------------------------------------------------------------

Dubya will take care of Saddam and the world will take care
of Kim - good division of responsibilities.

-rashmi







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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>But I'm not impressed by the anti-war people's reasons for opposing the
>war. I want more than a "because."

And here is the true genius of the thugs.  They have turned the default
question from "Why war?" to "Why not war?"

The real question is "Why war?"
<http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000137.html>

The real questions are
* How can our economy recover from recession?
* How can we keep America and ourselves safe from terrorists?
* How can we assure our supplies of energy (not necessarily oil)?
* How can America contribute to global prosperity and peace?
* How can we preserve our democratic ideals and liberties?

Kicking out a little tyrant in Iraq is not a good answer to any of those.

<http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000149.html>

Pete

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> So why again are we attacking Iraq?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

To keep him from acquiring WoMD?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> It's 53 here. (Supposed to go down to 30 tonight.) I think my tomatoes
> are a dead loss, but some of the lettuce looked okay, and all the
> herbs except the basil.

Why didn't you just throw a sheet over the fragile stuff? That usually
saves it for just one night that is not really really icy.

alyce
>
> Karen
> Poking and prying with purpose


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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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I loved this little hotel we stayed at in Les Halles a few
years ago:

http://www.france-hotel-guide.com/h75001tonic.htm

It is within easy walking distance of the Louvre and all the
surrounding stuff.

Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Hey, Natalie, do you have any recommendations for places to
> stay in Paris? Or good web-sites to find places?
>
> TIA,
> -rashmi
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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > It's 53 here. (Supposed to go down to 30 tonight.) I think my tomatoes
> > are a dead loss, but some of the lettuce looked okay, and all the
> > herbs except the basil.
>
> Why didn't you just throw a sheet over the fragile stuff? That usually
> saves it for just one night that is not really really icy.

I didn't feel well enough.

Karen
tired of coughing

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Natalie:

>??  I can't remember more than one spring break when I've gone to Paris
>-- the one when I broke my big toe in several places by dropping a log
>on it a few days before I left on that trip.

'kay, you're off my mental list of Paris resources. I don't know
why you were there in the first place.

-rashmi

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I hope Natalie doesn't think I'm serious here. Don't know
if she knows that The Onion is a joke/satirical "newspaper".

-rashmi


>>So why again are we attacking Iraq?
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
>From the story in The Onion:
>
>Bush on North Korea: We must invade Iraq
>
>"For years, Kim Jong Il has acted in blatant disregard of the Treaty on the
>Non-Proliferation Of Nuclear Weapons, and last week, he rejected it
>outright," Bush told reporters after a National Security Council meeting on
>North Korea. "We cannot allow weapons of mass destruction to remain in the
>hands of volatile, unpredictable leaders. Which is exactly why we must act
>quickly and decisively against Saddam Hussein."
>
>"I applaud the International Atomic Energy Agency's condemnation of North
>Korea's nuclear efforts," Bush said. "I trust that the world community will
>act capably and decisively in this matter—as capably and decisively as the
>U.S. will act against Iraq."
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Dubya will take care of Saddam and the world will take care
>of Kim - good division of responsibilities.
>
>-rashmi
>



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In a message dated 1/18/2003 3:28:37 PM, rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.

-rashmi
 >>

I have to disagree with you, sorry.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/18/2003 5:35:52 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< I hope so, too.  She says she's going to live another 20 years.

 >>

That's a good sign IMHO. I'm an optimist too, so I can understand her
reasoning, and I believe it speeds up the healing process.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/18/2003 8:53:28 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Why didn't you just throw a sheet over the fragile stuff? That usually
saves it for just one night that is not really really icy.
 >>
Have been thinking about you poor freezing people. In spite of the bad name
CO gets about the cold, it's only going down to about 15F tonight, and a high
of 53F for tomorrow. (ducking)
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In a message dated 1/18/2003 7:24:11 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Personally, what disgusts me is when those thugs wrap themselves in the
> > American flag, mouth the same words used by the Founding Fathers... >>

I think I misunderstand. Weren't you all talking about anti-war
demonstrations? If not, I apologize
Theo

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In a message dated 1/18/2003 8:07:37 PM, kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:

<< Kicking out a little tyrant in Iraq is not a good answer to any of those.
>>

Absolutely. If we ever get into this war, we're going to be very sorry; I
promise you that. Theo

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On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:25:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= 02003-01-18 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:14:10AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= > = Karen Kay wrote:
= > = > > Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?
= > = >
= > = > Because.
= > =
= > = Ah.  That explains it!
= >
= > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part2/section-20.html
= >
= > Not only does it just say SysRq, but it does something that
= > doesn't do anything!
=
= Butt out, this is K-R-N and Natalie's show.

sorry.  soorryy.  didn't mean to spoil anyone's amusement for the
day.

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 01:46:11AM -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
= In a message dated 1/18/2003 8:53:28 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
=
= << Why didn't you just throw a sheet over the fragile stuff? That usually
= saves it for just one night that is not really really icy.
=  >>
= Have been thinking about you poor freezing people. In spite of the bad name
= CO gets about the cold, it's only going down to about 15F tonight, and a high
= of 53F for tomorrow. (ducking)
= Theo

We're having short thermometer days here.  Low of 41, high of 45.
Slightly warmer tomorrow and the day after that.

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In a message dated 01/19/2003 12:28:53 AM Central Standard Time,
Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<<
That's a good sign IMHO. I'm an optimist too, so I can understand her
reasoning, and I believe it speeds up the healing process.

>>

I was afraid that she would give up the way Grandma did when she found
out that she had colon cancer.  But Mom's a scrapper.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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>I was afraid that she would give up the way Grandma did when she found
>out that she had colon cancer.  But Mom's a scrapper.
>Evelyn Duncan

That's nice, if you like that sort of thing.  Personally, I don't see
anything wrong with giving up.  It should be the patient's decision without
hounding from those who think they know best.


    --bonniev

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21 - wind chill = 11. But apparently more snow is on its way.

Thanks to this <service>, I dreamed last night that I was in a hotel
room in England - with Maria in my room! I had grain with me - and I
woke up before I had to deal with issues of grain and diapers.

Bethany

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> What is masterful is the administration
> spokespeople putting the burden of proof not on the inspectors,
> but on Saddam to show he has destroyed everything.

And what is mind-boggling to me is how anybody can think that makes
sense.  In ftf conversations I've had about it, I so far haven't found
anybody who thinks it's anything other than Dubya's desperate lust for
war -- that there's no way it can make any sense to ask somebody to
produce evidence of destroying something that the person claims never to
have had and that nobody has produced any evidence of.

> These guys are geniuses. I've seen nothing from the anti-war
> people except a garbled jumble of reasons.

We obviously live in very different worlds.  I've heard nothing from the
anti-war people except clear and compelling reasons not to go to war.
The primary one, of course, is that there is no reason we should go to
war.

> arguments. But I'm not impressed by the anti-war people's
> reasons for opposing the war. I want more than a "because."

You see war as a default?  Iow, one should go to war unless there are
clear and compelling reasons given for not going to war?  I happen to
think that plenty of clear and compelling reasons have been given, but I
don't really see that as how these things are supposed to work.  To me,
non-war is the default, with reasons needed for deciding to attack
another country.  Should I start making a list of reasons we shouldn't
bomb Ottawa?  And what if we decide to bomb Paris while you're there?
You better hope the anti-war forces come up with more than a garbled
jumble of reasons not to attack France at that time.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Rashmi Murthy writes,
>
> >But I'm not impressed by the anti-war people's reasons for opposing the
> >war. I want more than a "because."
>
> And here is the true genius of the thugs.  They have turned the default
> question from "Why war?" to "Why not war?"
>
> The real question is "Why war?"
> <http://www.istori.com/log/archives/00000137.html>

Bingo.  (I haven't looked at the url, but I'm bingoing your statements
above.  I'm glad to see I'm not mutant in not considering war a
default.)

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Alan Wild wrote:
> > So why again are we attacking Iraq?

> To keep him from acquiring WoMD?

So we attack all countries that do not yet have WoMD?  What about those
that do have them?

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> >You mean salt water?  Those are a bitch to keep, and the fish are
> >expensive and they keep dying because it's hard to keep the pH
> >level in the tank right, or something like that.

What are marine tanks for? If you do not like (the?) fish? Do you like sea
fish? Do you keep them as pets or you buy a living fish and keep it in the tank
until it is time to cook it?

Kristin

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

>  they think they caught it in time since it hasn't
> grown since November.

>She says she's going to live another 20 years.

Good to read these. Both the state, more or less, then, and the attitude.

Kristin

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> 'kay, you're off my mental list of Paris resources. I don't know
> why you were there in the first place.

Possibly I was on it because I like going to Paris and have gone there
many times?  All I was questioning was the spring break association
since I think I've gone only once ever during spring break.  Also, I
should in a way be a good resource person since I have stayed in lots
and lots of different hotels in Paris.  It's just that no one of them
leaps out as The Perfect Hotel and I don't remember any of the names.  I
do remember one I would not recommend but can't remember now where it
was exactly -- except that it was somewhere weird and inconvenient and
was large and devoid of charm.  It's one I stayed in the weekend I went
up from Vichy to Paris for a break.  I think I found it via the train
station in Vichy.

One that I've never stayed in but have known lots of people who have and
they all loved is named the Claude Bernard.  But it was remodeled some
number of years ago, after which the prices got quite high.

I realized when seeing Rita's recommendation that one big thing in
giving advice on hotels in Paris is that different people like different
areas.  If you're close to a metro stop, that's not a real problem, of
course, but I would still prefer to be staying on the Left Bank.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> I hope Natalie doesn't think I'm serious here. Don't know
> if she knows that The Onion is a joke/satirical "newspaper".

Well, duh.  How could I not know about The Onion?  I did hear something
a while back, though, about something that was in The Onion and that got
spread from there to somebody who didn't know what The Onion was and was
taken seriously.  Wish I could remember what it was.  WAIT -- I think it
was about Harry Potter books as evil.  Something like that -- that the
first questioning of the <sinfulness> was in a funny Onion article that
somehow made its way to somebody who took it seriously.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Thanks to this <service>, I dreamed last night that I was in a hotel
> room in England - with Maria in my room! I had grain with me - and I
> woke up before I had to deal with issues of grain and diapers.

Oh good.  You are feeling properly guilty about poor, cold Maria and
will go get her today and bring her home to snuggle with you in the
warmth of your apartment.

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Oh good.  You are feeling properly guilty about poor, cold Maria and
>will go get her today and bring her home to snuggle with you in the
>warmth of your apartment.

Right - not! She would upon arriving demand that I immediately take her
back to her 200 acres of grass, daily hay, and comrades! The basic
principle here is that horses are herd animals. They are also OUTSIDE
animals - like most animals.

Bethany

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Alan Wild wrote:
> > > So why again are we attacking Iraq?
>
> > To keep him from acquiring WoMD?

I should have said *MORE* WoMD, as in nukes.  He already has chemical &
biological weapons.  Right now I'm watching Condoleeza Rice on MTP.
Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.  There is an
expectation that he would provide these weapons to terrorists, and yoiu know
terrorists would plant them in London, or D.C., or New York, or Boston, or
maybe even Jackson.







> So we attack all countries that do not yet have WoMD?  What about those
> that do have them?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Alan Wild writes,

>Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.  There is an
>expectation that he would provide these weapons to terrorists, and yoiu know
>terrorists would plant them in London, or D.C., or New York, or Boston, or
>maybe even Jackson.

This Administration has a pathological inability to be openly truthful, and
a significant capability to generate propaganda.  What makes you think
they're telling the truth about Saddam's weapons capabilities?

Perhaps the fact that the weapons inspectors have found essentially nothing
so far?

Pete

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

or you buy a living fish and keep it in the tank
> until it is time to cook it?

Eeewwwww. Eat a friend? Please, no!

alyce

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Theodora Groothof writes,

><< Personally, what disgusts me is when those thugs wrap themselves in the
> > > American flag, mouth the same words used by the Founding Fathers... >>
>
>I think I misunderstand. Weren't you all talking about anti-war
>demonstrations? If not, I apologize

Bush's administration says we (meaning they themselves, but they assume
that the sheep-like American people assent) are creating a war state and
shooting our civil liberties in the head to enlarge the sphere of Freedom,
Security and Democracy.

Welcome to 1984.

"I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and, therefore,
prevent war from happening in the first place." -- George W. Bush,
Bush/Gore Presidential Debate, October 3, 2000

Pete

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Alan Wild wrote:
 Right now I'm watching Condoleeza Rice on MTP.
> Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.
Because Condi says so? I'd like some evidence.

> There is an
> expectation that he would provide these weapons to terrorists,

Why? If he is so eager to do that, why has he waited all this time?

> and yoiu know
> terrorists would plant them in London, or D.C., or New York, or Boston, or
> maybe even Jackson.

I don't get this connection between Saddam and terrorists. I have heard
of no Iraqi terrorists doing anything at all.

alyce

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaminski" <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
> Alan Wild writes,
>
> >Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.  There is an
> >expectation that he would provide these weapons to terrorists, and yoiu
know
> >terrorists would plant them in London, or D.C., or New York, or Boston,
or
> >maybe even Jackson.
>
> This Administration has a pathological inability to be openly truthful,
and
> a significant capability to generate propaganda.  What makes you think
> they're telling the truth about Saddam's weapons capabilities?
>
> Perhaps the fact that the weapons inspectors have found essentially
nothing
> so far?
>
> Pete

Hi Pete, As far as I understand it, there are U.N. affirmed documents (see
resolution 1441) which identify what can be called an overall inventory of
Iraqi chemical and biological weapons.  The inspectors are there trying to
account for it all.  The fact that there are significant stockpiles
remaining to be accounted for, including nerve gas, mustard gas, large
quantities of anthrax, etc... well.  The Iraqis can't simply say we lost it.
As Rice said on MTP, "Mustard gas isn't marmalade; you can't just misplace
it."

Saddam wants to keep it to use it.  And as Rice also put, Saddam's actions
are different from South Africa, which when it disarmed, invited other
countries in to help, and identified all of it's production, warehousing and
training facilities.

'Alan

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At 10:44 AM 1/19/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:

>I don't get this connection between Saddam and terrorists. I have heard
>of no Iraqi terrorists doing anything at all.

There probably isn't much of one.  I'm confident that Saddam is cheering
Osama et al. on.  I doubt whether he has much in the way of resources to
spare these days.  His international efforts, whether diplomatic or
military, have been ludicrous.  However, given that the administration
apparently hasn't been able to nail Osama or shut his operation down,
Saddam makes a convenient whipping boy.  He's becoming sort of the Castro
of the mideast---he's there, he's an occasional irritant, but he's not much
of a factor.

If the USA is really dedicated to wiping out (or significantly weakening)
mideast-based terrorism, then go after the money.  No matter how
dedicated/fanatical/ [choose the adjective of your choice], the muslim
terrorists are, they can't do much absent resources.  Of course, to go
after the money is to go after Saudi...

cwv

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>
> > No, you didn't.  Please explain how Saddam could deliver a nuclear bomb to
> > Washington D.C.
> >
> >
> >     --bonniev

    Conex container?  Barge up the Potomac?  How about a Ryder truck?  The
infernal things can fit in a footlocker these days.

JMW

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Alan Wild wrote:
>  The fact that there are significant stockpiles
> remaining to be accounted for, including nerve gas, mustard gas, large
> quantities of anthrax, etc... well.

Well, indeed. Condi says so, but that does not make it so. Did you hear
her stumble when she spoke of the anthrax? I mean to watch MtP again
tonight on CNBC to hear again how many liters of it she said there were.
Doesn't liter imply a liquid?

Idle thoughts: Anybody but me remember April Gaspy? What is the shelf
life of various biological weapons? Forever? Don't such things degrade
with time? Can all of that stuff be frozen indefinitely and remain
effective?

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> or you buy a living fish and keep it in the tank
> > until it is time to cook it?
>
> Eeewwwww. Eat a friend? Please, no!

No, of course not.  I did not understand whether Karen wanted sea fish
as pets: she doesn't want the fish that she has; besides, there are too
much of pets for her, as she said. That's why I thought she may want the
marine tank for purely practical reasons. She surely cannot keep a sea
lion there, I guess. It'd be a bit more difficult than spend a night in
a hotel room with a horse.  A sea turtle, perhaps? Those charming sea
horses? Seaweed? Any living thing, be it a plant or an animal or a fish
may be interesting.

Kristin

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> There probably isn't much of one.  I'm confident that Saddam is cheering
> Osama et al. on.  I doubt whether he has much in the way of resources to
> spare these days.

But just yesterday I heard a piece on CNN or CNBC that Saddam hates
Osama--that they have been enemies for years. I suppose that would not
keep him from cheering Osama on, but it does seem to preclude their
cooperating with each other.

You can determine your own compatibility with Osama by filling in the
blanks here:
http://tinyurl.com/4mft

alyce
alyce

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Alan Wild writes,

>Hi Pete, As far as I understand it, there are U.N. affirmed documents (see
>resolution 1441) which identify what can be called an overall inventory of
>Iraqi chemical and biological weapons.

There is an aging arsenal with which the US and Britain tried to convince
the world that Saddam was dangerous before they drafted Resolution
1441.  There are assertions by the US that he's got Really Bad Stuff, but
It's Too Secret To Tell The UN.

The UN can find no smoking gun and will have to resort to advanced grammar
analysis of its resolutions to find material breach, so it can give the
Bush Administration the green light it wants.

>As Rice said on MTP, "Mustard gas isn't marmalade; you can't just misplace
>it."

Pathologically unable to openly tell the truth; master
propagandists.  There are terrorists lurking around every corner, and we
have to protect ourselves and the rest of the world from evil.

Pete

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Alan Wild wrote:
> Right now I'm watching Condoleeza Rice on MTP.
> Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.

Is "apparently" your word or hers?  If yours, please explain.  How is
this apparent to you?  If hers, did she explain?

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Alan Wild writes,
>
> >Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.  There is an
...
> Perhaps the fact that the weapons inspectors have found essentially nothing
> so far?

This is why I'm wondering about the word "apparently."  Doesn't
"apparently" mean "obviously" or "visibly" or "easily discernible"?

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> > There probably isn't much of one.  I'm confident that Saddam is cheering
> > Osama et al. on.  I doubt whether he has much in the way of resources to
> > spare these days.
>
> But just yesterday I heard a piece on CNN or CNBC that Saddam hates
> Osama--that they have been enemies for years. I suppose that would not
> keep him from cheering Osama on, but it does seem to preclude their
> cooperating with each other.

Their dislike for each other has been well observed/recorded/whatever
through the years, I think.  My guess, though, is that Dubya et al have
gone a long way toward mending the bad relations between them and that
Saddam is probably feeling more kindly toward Osama and his cronies
these days.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I realized when seeing Rita's recommendation that one big thing in
> giving advice on hotels in Paris is that different people like different
> areas.  If you're close to a metro stop, that's not a real problem, of
> course, but I would still prefer to be staying on the Left Bank.


        I don't have lots of Paris experience.  I might have enjoyed
the Left Bank more.  As it was, the hotel was chosen by the
French company Kevin was working for at the time.  There was
another hotel they used -- it was more like an American
hotel and had air/data jacks, etc., which the Tonic didn't
have at the time.  At any rate, walking distance to the
things I wanted to see was a plus for me.  I managed to do
lots of exploring and fed myself, etc., but not speaking
much French beyond "si vou plait" and "merci", not having to
navigate the metro right off was a plus.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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alyce cresap wrote:

> You can determine your own compatibility with Osama by filling in the
> blanks here:
> http://tinyurl.com/4mft

Fun!  Here's how I compat with Osama:

Physical 70%     Emotional 2%     Intellectual 96%     Overall 56%


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Rita Chapman wrote:

> have at the time.  At any rate, walking distance to the
> things I wanted to see was a plus for me.  I managed to do

In decent weather I find Paris a very walkable city -- as in most of
what I care about is in what I would deem not unreasonable walking
distance.

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I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But it
is !!

http://www.geddys.com/harborcam01.html

    --bonniev

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In a message dated 01/19/2003 8:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Good to read these. Both the state, more or less, then, and the attitude.

>>

Yes, she's going to outlive me, I bet.  She has better medical care and
a better attitude about things.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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bonniev:

>I disagree.  Like Natalie, I've seen no masterful debate for war.

Once again, I said the administration has "framed the
debate/issue" masterfully. Dubya has out-spun the anti-war
people. In my usual cynical way I have trouble believing a
lot of what Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the gang say.
They have very little regard for the truth and will insinuate
anything that will keep the press occupied for a few days.
I don't have an iota of respect left for US media.

-rashmi

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Yes, she's going to outlive me, I bet.

Now, this I wouldn't say to be too optimistic a view, neither for you or your
Mom. :-)

Kristin, wishing the best for you both

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steph:

>We're having short thermometer days here.  Low of 41, high of 45.
>Slightly warmer tomorrow and the day after that.

Steph, you read my mind. I was wondering what the weather
there's like. Does it rain a lot this time of year? I can
handle cold but wet's going to be a pain to pack for.

-rashmi, car-bound suburbanite

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In a message dated 01/19/2003 11:20:30 AM Central Standard Time,
Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE writes:

<<
Now, this I wouldn't say to be too optimistic a view, neither for you or your
Mom. :-)

>>

Well, Grandpa lived to be 95, and Mom's just like him; that means that
she has another twenty-one years to go to meet his longevity. :)

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

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bonniev wrote:
>
> I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
> newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But it
> is !!
>
> http://www.geddys.com/harborcam01.html

Neat!  It took me a while to find the one for 11:00, but, once I did, I
knew immediately that it was you.  It looks just like you.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 11:37 AM 1/19/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
> >
> > I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
> > newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But it
> > is !!
> >
> > http://www.geddys.com/harborcam01.html
>
>Neat!  It took me a while to find the one for 11:00, but, once I did, I
>knew immediately that it was you.  It looks just like you.

Isn't the snow pretty?

Betty

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At 12:02 PM 1/19/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
>newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But it
>is !!
>
>http://www.geddys.com/harborcam01.html

Cool.  Larry thought you would be doing Tai Chi.

When do they take down their holiday decorations?

Betty

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Here's how I blogged it:

I guess I'm glad the anti-war demonstrations went well.

But remember that as long as the big issue of the day is the "debate" about
war instead of the real issues facing the US, *the Bush Administration is
winning*.

On my social list, our keen-eyed Washington watcher called the anti-war
movement a bunch of wusses who have created no effective counter to the
Administration's very effective war drums.

She's been slammed by all the liberals on the list -- the protesters have
articulated great reasons not to go to war!, after all.

She's right. It's like watching butter go up against a hot knife. It's time
to kick it up a few notches, people.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:.
>
> Is "apparently" your word or hers?  If yours, please explain.  How is
> this apparent to you?  If hers, did she explain?

It was not Condi's word. She stated that these things were there. But
offered no proof.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > You can determine your own compatibility with Osama by filling in the
> > blanks here:
> > http://tinyurl.com/4mft
>
> Fun!  Here's how I compat with Osama:
>
> Physical 70%     Emotional 2%     Intellectual 96%     Overall 56%

Whereas my intellectual compatibility of but 1%. Overall 29%. Emotional.
15% Physical 72%. I'd say that he and I are not very compatible.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
> newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But it
> is !!
>
Like WOW!!!

alyce

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:23:47PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
= steph:
=
= >We're having short thermometer days here.  Low of 41, high of 45.
= >Slightly warmer tomorrow and the day after that.
=
= Steph, you read my mind. I was wondering what the weather
= there's like. Does it rain a lot this time of year? I can
= handle cold but wet's going to be a pain to pack for.
=
= -rashmi, car-bound suburbanite
=

Well, it's been above freezing this last week, but the week or so
before that it was a bit below.  It does rain.  The weather in
Antwerp though, can really be different from what it is here.
Today it was drizzling most of the day, with it actually turning
all the way to rain once or twice during the day.  I still get
around most of the time with a polartec jacket and a cap to keep
the rain off my glasses.  Usually the wind's blowing too much to
make an umbrella much use.  But I don't tend to get soaked.

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At 09:44 AM 1/19/2003 -0800, betty wrote:

>Isn't the snow pretty?

Yeah---another five inches of pretty.

cwv

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At 09:31 AM 1/19/2003 -0800, betty wrote:


>When do they take down their holiday decorations?

This winter, that's a real open question.  Geddy's will probably keep
theirs for a while (including the large, lighted moose on the roof).  The
village decorations will undoubtedly wait until higher priority stuff (like
getting rid of the accumulated snow along streets and sidewalks) gets
done.  Our outdoor lights will have to wait until spring (or one helluva
thaw)---the timer and the power cords are buried under a combination of the
snow that has fallen, plus what we've cleaned from the deck.  Hell, maybe
I'll leave the white ones up for the Fourth.

cwv

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At 09:40 PM 1/18/2003 +0000, maynor@SLEEPY.WOJOMEDIA.COM wrote:
>http://www.maynor.net/rally.html

Thanks.  Not many signs at all.  I enjoyed looking at the different hats.

Betty

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steph said:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:25:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = 02003-01-18 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:14:10AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = > = Karen Kay wrote:
> = > = > > Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?
> = > = >
> = > = > Because.
> = > =
> = > = Ah.  That explains it!
> = >
> = > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part2/section-20.html
> = >
> = > Not only does it just say SysRq, but it does something that
> = > doesn't do anything!
> =
> = Butt out, this is K-R-N and Natalie's show.
>
> sorry.  soorryy.  didn't mean to spoil anyone's amusement for the
> day.

I appreciated the information.

Karen
tired of coughing

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Kristin Sarv said:
> What are marine tanks for? If you do not like (the?) fish?

I don't like these particular fish. You can grow coral and anemones in
marine tanks, in addition ot fish.

> Do you like sea fish?

Yes.

> Do you keep them as pets or you buy a living fish and keep it in the tank
> until it is time to cook it?

I think I'm too soft-hearted to do this.

Karen
tired of coughing

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Betty wrote:
>
> At 09:40 PM 1/18/2003 +0000, maynor@SLEEPY.WOJOMEDIA.COM wrote:
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>
> Thanks.  Not many signs at all.  I enjoyed looking at the different hats.

There were more signs than showed in the pictures.  My pictures were
mainly of people's backs, and most of the signs were at their fronts.
Too bad I don't have a picture of my hat.  Hmm.  I guess I could put it
on and take one in a mirror right now.  But I've removed the sign from
its back.

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My hat:

http://www.maynor.net/Hat/

The last two are off my head since taking pictures of it on my head was
proving to be problematic.

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On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:18:06AM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= Alan Wild wrote:
= >  The fact that there are significant stockpiles
= > remaining to be accounted for, including nerve gas, mustard gas, large
= > quantities of anthrax, etc... well.
=
= Well, indeed. Condi says so, but that does not make it so. Did you hear
= her stumble when she spoke of the anthrax? I mean to watch MtP again
= tonight on CNBC to hear again how many liters of it she said there were.
= Doesn't liter imply a liquid?
=

Actually, liter implies volume.  A liter is the volume of a cube
that's ten centimeters on each side.  So it could be anything.

My favorite trick when measuring water to bake bread is that
because water has a density of 1, one liter of water weighs one
kilo.  So instead of trying to figure out where 320 ml is marked
on my measuring cup, I just put the bowl on the scale and pour in
320g of water.

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steph wrote:
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> Actually, liter implies volume.  A liter is the volume of a cube
> that's ten centimeters on each side.

Thanks. Never knew that. I am good with metric measurements of length,
but not volume.

alyce

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In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:43:55 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I don't get this connection between Saddam and terrorists. I have heard
of no Iraqi terrorists doing anything at all.
 >>

You and I are just too slow to understand it, Aly. But don't you feel a lot
safer knowing that now we're being protected from all that evil?
Theo

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Remember our discussions of lard? Just found out how to make your very
own lard, right from the pig, should you be interested.

http://www.hoboes.com/html/Diner/lard.shtml

So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
visitors, no nothin'.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Remember our discussions of lard? Just found out how to make your very
> own lard, right from the pig, should you be interested.
>
> http://www.hoboes.com/html/Diner/lard.shtml
>
> So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
> visitors, no nothin'.


        As I bought Yet Another Box of girl scout cookies today, I
thought of you.  My policy this year is one per kid, and I'm
still going to end up with ten boxes of them.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>Remember our discussions of lard? Just found out how to make your very
>own lard, right from the pig, should you be interested.
>
>http://www.hoboes.com/html/Diner/lard.shtml
>
>So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
>visitors, no nothin'.

When I was a high school student, one of our classmates was bedridden for
a very long period of time and developed bedsores. At that time, the best
remedy anyone knew about was turtle oil. Some of us went up to the East
TX Boy Scout camp and brought back turtles from the lake, which we then
killed and rendered - in my back yard.

Does this count?

If not, I'll try again. I have a hog story, if not a lard story.

Bethany

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        As I bought Yet Another Box of girl scout cookies today, I
>thought of you.  My policy this year is one per kid, and I'm
>still going to end up with ten boxes of them.

After church today, we are someone's last boxes of GScookies from her
freezer - preparing to buy new ones - not yet available here.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
 turtles from the lake, which we then
> killed and rendered - in my back yard.

Didn't it smell awful? Ken found a turtle shell in the back yard here
and thought to boil it and clean it up as a showpiece. But there were
body parts still inside or something and I thought we both would die
from the stench.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>         As I bought Yet Another Box of girl scout cookies today, I
> thought of you.  My policy this year is one per kid, and I'm
> still going to end up with ten boxes of them.

I think I will have to advertise for some:

DESPERATE OWW (Old white woman) DESIRES LITTLE GIRLS
to visit and bring cookies.

alyce
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita


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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        As I bought Yet Another Box of girl scout cookies today, I
>>thought of you.  My policy this year is one per kid, and I'm
>>still going to end up with ten boxes of them.
>>
>
> I think I will have to advertise for some:


        What are your favorite kinds?


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> turtles from the lake, which we then
>> killed and rendered - in my back yard.
>
>Didn't it smell awful? Ken found a turtle shell in the back yard here
>and thought to boil it and clean it up as a showpiece. But there were
>body parts still inside or something and I thought we both would die
>from the stench.
>

Yes - it was really awful.

Bethany

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It got up to 35 today - but with the wind, it was very cool. But the low
tonight is to be 30, and we should be in the 40s tomorrow. Maria is now
wearing her sheet, instead of her Rambo blanket.

She was very happy when I saw her today and very glad to leave the barn
and go back to her buddies after she ate all the goodies I had for her.

Bethany, carrot queen

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Alyce:

>DESPERATE OWW (Old white woman) DESIRES LITTLE GIRLS
>to visit and bring cookies.

Shades of Little Red Riding Hood ...

-rashmi


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>So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
>visitors, no nothin'.       --alyce

I wonder how the words-l party is going out on the Wrong Coast.


    --bonniev

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At 05:32 PM 1/19/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>Remember our discussions of lard? Just found out how to make your very
>own lard, right from the pig, should you be interested.
>
>http://www.hoboes.com/html/Diner/lard.shtml
>
>So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
>visitors, no nothin'.

I've been reading a couple of cookbooks by Rick Bayless, who points out
that ounce for ounce, lard (rendered pig fat) contains less cholesterol and
saturated fat than does butter.

cwv

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At 07:39 PM 1/19/2003 -0500, bonnie wrote:
>>So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
>>visitors, no nothin'.       --alyce
>
>I wonder how the words-l party is going out on the Wrong Coast.

Ah, they probably are discreetly nibbling on fresh shoots of arugula,
washing them down with sips of a modest white wine, and contemplating the
cosmos.  Whole-grain rye crisps and herb tea to follow.  Chanting of
mantras optional.

cwv

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In a message dated 1/19/2003 4:31:02 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


>
> So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
> visitors, no nothin'.
>
> alyce
>

I don't have any lard stories, although I have seen lard
"rendered" when I was a child.  Started with tallow and
involved the stove and that's all I remember.

Since you are bored I will entertain you with a story,
however.  May be in part one I've mentioned before but I can't
remember.

About the couple of Colorado who've been here for two weeks,
staying up at Bellows Beach:

I met Bev when I boarded the long black schoolbus on my
first day of school in 1930.  We entered first grade together
and went all the way through, graduating from college together
in 1946.  We both married after the war and through the years
kept in close touch as they lived around the world in places
like Alaska and Australia, being in the AF, and we stayed
basically in the Midwest.  In fact, our entire group of college
friends remained close and were much like the girls in the
Ya-Ya Sisterhood.

After they retired they built a nice house in Colorado Springs,
across the highway from the AF Academy.  So when our son
went to school there, Bev and Dick were his local sponsors
(to see he got off campus now and then for a Sunday dinner
or just a break).  When Tom graduated, Colonel Miller initiated
him into the AF and pinned his wings.

We visited Pearl Harbor together a few days ago, although we
had both been there before, of course, and then went on up to
Punchbowl, the Cemetery of the Pacific.  Bev and I followed
quietly behind Gene and Dick as they examined all the
beautiful stone maps of WWII and described to each other all
the places they fought and some of the things that happened
to them. In a place like this veterans talk about things they
have not mentioned since the 40's.  They had been just kids,
drafted before they were even out of HS.  Rather, they had
volunteered even before their draft papers came.  They had shipped
out with almost no training.  Theirs was not the professional
military of today. Dick eventually got some schooling and
became a navigator, flying the China route later in the
Korean times.  Gene was in the Army Engineers and spent
miserable years with no promotions, no R&R, taking part
in four major Phillipine beach invasions.  They both had
watched a lot of their friends die, although they often block that
until they get in a place like Pearl Harbor or Punchbowl.

On the other hand, we have done fun things for two weeks,
going through the Iolani Palace, driving up the Old Pali,
eating lovely meals in lovely places like Haiku Gardens,
and Waioli Tea Room, strolling the grounds of Valley of the
Temples, strolling the long sandy shore of Sunset Beach with 25 ft surf,
playing cards at our place, playing cards at their place.
Friday we spent the whole day at Bellows  which
has a brilliant turquoise beach, shallow quite a ways out,
with very fine soft sand.  It was heaven.  Watched a
perfect sunset there and watched a full moon come up
in a deep blue velvet sky vand create fluorescent silver waves
dancing toward the shore.

In the meantime we had fired up a barbecue grille outside
and cooked Nebraska steaks and sweet corn, with
microwaved potatoes, a fresh salad and for dessert a
local guava cake,  Over coffee we talked of many things,
stories of our kids, memories we share.  We were sitting
outside now in the moonlight, near enough to hear the
water crashing, under tall feathery evergreen trees which
had been full of birds earlier.

Bev suddenly remembered that she and I had written
our class poem.  They did that in small schools in
Iowa . . class colors, class motto, class poem, etc.
Our poem was long and had incorporated the name of
each graduate . . . and then, she said, ended like this:

   So we're cashing in and calling it quits.
   We hope to gosh we've sharpened our wits.
   We didn't come here for nothin'!

This brought gales of laughter from the men.

We had been just sixteen at the time.

One day Gene and I were busy meeting the Norwegian Star
Cruise Ship and friends disembarking who had one day to
spend in Honolulu.  We made it a very special day for
them.  Meanwhile Bev and Dick hiked Diamond Head.
Bev is 78 and Dick is 80.  But Bev is a member of a
hiking club, and they hike the mountains in Colorado.
Not only is she athletic, but she was Homecoming Queen,
a stunning blond with a figure!

Last night we had dinner at the Kaneohe Marine Base
Officer's Club.  There was a dinner party in another room.
Young marines in full dress uniform escorted young
women in long formal gowns.  So handsome, all of
them.  Lots of boys shipping out of this base this week,
probably not the ones at the party, but I don't know.
We watched these lovely young people and hoped
it wasn't them.

We didn't talk about the cadet we raised and
commissioned who is probably on his way there again.

                         - D. M.

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>Since you are bored I will entertain you with a story,
>however.

Good story, Doris.  You've had a full and pleasant life.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         What are your favorite kinds?

The chocolate mint ones are the finest. I don't know the other kinds
because I never see  them. Wait! I think I remember a plain butter
cookie in the shape of the scout emblem, but am not sure about that.

alyce
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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In a message dated 1/19/2003 7:19:38 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >         What are your favorite kinds?
>
> The chocolate mint ones are the finest. I don't know the other kinds
> because I never see  them. Wait! I think I remember a plain butter
> cookie in the shape of the scout emblem, but am not sure about that.
>
> alyce
>
>

We did this last year, but I must say again . .
SAMOAS, SAMOAS, SAMOAS!

            - D. M.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
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> I've been reading a couple of cookbooks by Rick Bayless, who points out
> that ounce for ounce, lard (rendered pig fat) contains less cholesterol and
> saturated fat than does butter.

I believe it.

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:
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> Since you are bored I will entertain you with a story,

Thanks for the story, Doris. I don't like the part about the kids
shipping out, though.

alyce

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Alan Wild wrote:
> > Right now I'm watching Condoleeza Rice on MTP.
> > Apparently Saddam has stock piles which he's hiding.
>
> Is "apparently" your word or hers?  If yours, please explain.  How is
> this apparent to you?  If hers, did she explain?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

My huggable Natalie, I'm sorry to say that I do not have access to the gamut
of evidence "at hand", therefore I say apparent through official reports
only, and thereby concede to you and Pete, et al, that I am a slave for
propaganda.

'Alan

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Rashmi, Marie, Alec, and other Iggles fans---condolences.  Tampa played a
good game.

cwv

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At 04:43 PM 1/19/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
>>Remember our discussions of lard? Just found out how to make your very
>>own lard, right from the pig, should you be interested.
>>
>>http://www.hoboes.com/html/Diner/lard.shtml
>>
>>So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
>>visitors, no nothin'.
>
>
>        As I bought Yet Another Box of girl scout cookies today, I
>thought of you.  My policy this year is one per kid, and I'm
>still going to end up with ten boxes of them.



The troop gets more money if you just donate a dollar instead of buying the
cookies.

Former Cookie Mom

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At 07:39 PM 1/19/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>So, shoot me. It's been a long and dull day with no e-mails, no
>>visitors, no nothin'.       --alyce
>
>I wonder how the words-l party is going out on the Wrong Coast.

It was one of the best ones.  There were ten of us. I have to go watch the
end of the football game now though

BB

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:

> >I wonder how the words-l party is going out on the Wrong Coast.
>
> It was one of the best ones.  There were ten of us. I have to go watch the
> end of the football game now though

Bonniev, that is really a fine sweater you knit for Betty.

Ann

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In a message dated 1/19/2003 7:28:13 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


>
> Thanks for the story, Doris. I don't like the part about the kids
> shipping out, though.
>
> alyce
>

I know.  But that's life, Alyce.  Someone has to
protect us.  I am not talking about the <;potential threat>
now, but the potential threat at any time through the years.
I find it amazing that some men are drawn toward this
calling as a career.  But then I find it amazing that there
are men drawn to be funeral directors, garbage collectors,
or attorneys.  Somehow it all works out, something for
everyone to do.

                                         - D. M.

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Yeehaw, I get a mention in Pete's blog!

-rashmi, keeping it real for the liberals


On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:49:37 -0800, Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
wrote:

>Here's how I blogged it:
>
>I guess I'm glad the anti-war demonstrations went well.
>
>But remember that as long as the big issue of the day is the "debate" about
>war instead of the real issues facing the US, *the Bush Administration is
>winning*.
>
>On my social list, our keen-eyed Washington watcher called the anti-war
>movement a bunch of wusses who have created no effective counter to the
>Administration's very effective war drums.
>
>She's been slammed by all the liberals on the list -- the protesters have
>articulated great reasons not to go to war!, after all.
>
>She's right. It's like watching butter go up against a hot knife. It's time
>to kick it up a few notches, people.
>
>Pete



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> > It was one of the best ones.  There were ten of us. I have to go watch the
> > end of the football game now though
>
>Bonniev, that is really a fine sweater you knit for Betty.
>Ann

Why, thank you Ms. Borkin.


    --bonniev

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Clyde:

>Rashmi, Marie, Alec, and other Iggles fans---condolences.  Tampa played a
>good game.

They choked bigtime and got completely outplayed by
Tampa Bay. Sad to see the Veterans Stadium era end with
such a bad loss. That final interception really hurt.

-rashmi


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Doris Markland said:
> Somehow it all works out, something for
> everyone to do.

Well, not everyone...

Karen
tired of coughing

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In a message dated 1/19/2003 11:07:14 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:


> Doris Markland said:
> > Somehow it all works out, something for
> > everyone to do.
>
> Well, not everyone...
>
> Karen
>

It will come.  It has to.
Thinking of you and wishing you
a JOB!

       - d. m.

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On 19 Jan 03, at 9:01, John Williams wrote:

> >
> > > No, you didn't.  Please explain how Saddam could deliver a nuclear bomb to
> > > Washington D.C.
> > >     --bonniev
>
>     Conex container?  Barge up the Potomac?  How about a Ryder truck?  The
> infernal things can fit in a footlocker these days.

Yup - that would explain how Star Wars will keep America safe
from nukes. If Saddam can FedEx a nuke to Washington, surely
N. Korea or even China can do it much better.

Tony H.

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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>Yeehaw, I get a mention in Pete's blog!

:)

Next entry:

They may be wusses, but there sure are a lot of 'em. Great pictures of the
huge masses of anti-war protesters in San Francisco from the "SF
Independent Media Center"
<http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/1562069.php> and the "SF Examiner"
<http://tinyurl.com/4n60>.

Pete

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10:43 19.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
>> You can determine your own compatibility with Osama by filling in the
>> blanks here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/4mft
>
>Fun!  Here's how I compat with Osama:
>
>Physical 70%     Emotional 2%     Intellectual 96%     Overall 56%

And her is how I do:

Physical 12%     Emotional 40%     Intellectual 27%     Overall 26%


Espen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't like these particular fish. You can grow coral and anemones in
> marine tanks, in addition ot fish.
>
> > Do you like sea fish?
>
> Yes.

I see. When you have them will you tell us which they are?

> > Do you keep them as pets or you buy a living fish and keep it in the tank
> > until it is time to cook it?
>
> I think I'm too soft-hearted to do this.

:) That explains your sorrow for your lettuces.

But I believe you. And am sorry for your loss of vegetables, too.

> Karen
> tired of coughing

And for this.

Kristin

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> They may be wusses, but there sure are a lot of 'em.

Oh geesh. When did this start? I can already tell that I'm going to hate
these hippies just as much as the ones in the 60s.

-aht

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I have a question for you, Espen.   I just read The Soloist, a novel whose
plot involves a student who in a fit of "inspiration" kills his Zen
Master.   Is it true that the Zen master might walk around while the
disciples are sitting/meditating and whack them with a stick if they fall
asleep or make noise??  I'd never heard that.


    --bonniev

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08:09 20.01.2003 -0500 skrev bonniev:
>I have a question for you, Espen.   I just read The Soloist, a novel whose
>plot involves a student who in a fit of "inspiration" kills his Zen
>Master.   Is it true that the Zen master might walk around while the
>disciples are sitting/meditating and whack them with a stick if they fall
>asleep or make noise??  I'd never heard that.

It is not the master - s/he is usually above that. But there is a head monk whi is responsible for the discipline in the zendo (meditation hall) who walks around with a flat stick (at times). In my experience people often asks for a whack (a double whack, really, one for each shoulder) - and it does help when one is tired and the muscles are stiffening in a concentrated period such as a sesshin. OTOH the master often uses a stick in the individual formal interviews with a student. But here the stick is partly symbolic, parly used as a prop in a partly non verbal communication. This stick may of course also be used on the student if the master believes that that would help and there are stories of students becoming enlightened through this and who grasps the master's stick and hits back.

Espen

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PS I didn't know the book or author before you intrigued me into looking for "The soloist". Have you read other books by him, and do you find this one good?

Espen

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>This stick may of course also be used on the student if the master
>believes that that would help and there are stories of students becoming
>enlightened through this and who grasps the master's stick and hits
>back.      --Espen

Ah, ha.   That is what happens in the book.   The young man is given a
puzzle to solve about "If  you meet the Buddha in the road and he stands in
your way, kill him."   He reaches enlightenment and the master asks him to
prove that.  The student takes the stick from the master and beats him to
death.

The main character of the book was a child prodigy cellist but lost his
talent as an adult.  Now he is a music teacher who is called to jury duty
for the murder trial of this Zen student who has made an insanity
plea.  The book is actually quite good and the author appears to know quite
a bit about both music and Zen.  His name is Mark Salzman.  He also speaks
of the German conductors who remained in Germany during WWII, played for
Hitler, and were shunned afterwards.  Von Karajan was one of those.  Good
book.   Thanks, Espen.


    --bonniev

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>PS I didn't know the book or author before you intrigued me into looking
>for "The soloist". Have you read other books by him, and do you find this
>one good?
>Espen

This was the first book I read by him.  I don't even know how I happened to
acquire it.  But there it was on my "not yet read" shelf.  I found it very
good.  Not heavy.  Very readable.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Since you are bored I will entertain you with a story,

Thanks.  Even though I wasn't bored last night since I was at a dinner
party, I enjoyed reading your story this morning.  I always enjoy
reading your stories.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> because I never see  them. Wait! I think I remember a plain butter
> cookie in the shape of the scout emblem, but am not sure about that.

Wasn't that the only kind back in the old days?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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A new book magazine, if anyone cares.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [b] OP Magazine Launches
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:58:33 -0800
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Hello all,

I [Scott Brown] approved the blue line proof of the first issue of OP
magazine tonight.
3500 copies will roll off the presses tomorrow and will be sent by first
class mail on Tuesday.

If you've been thinking of subscribing, there's still time before I run
labels for the first mailing. The first issue shaped up nicely. We have
a
cover story from Nicholas Basbanes (author of A Gentle Madness) and
articles
about the bookselling trade, collecting, the book arts, along with book
reviews, events listings, and lots of other stuff.

In future issues we'll have an essay by Larry McMurtry on why he doesn't
sign books, a profile of William Burroughs, an update on John Martin,
now
that he's closed Black Sparrow Press and sold off the rights to
Bukowski's
poetry; our man in India has filed a story about one of the great
collectors
of the 20th century--an 83-year old retired civil servant living in the
suburbs of New Delhi...the list goes on.

You can see a preview of issue one at our website:

http://www.opmagazine.com

Subscriptions start as low as $12 for a 3-issue trial subscription (US
only). Standard rates are US$21 for one year (6 issues), US$27 in Canada
&
Mexico. A bit more elsewhere.

Yours,

Scott Brown
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Doris Markland wrote:

> I find it amazing that some men are drawn toward this
> calling as a career.  But then I find it amazing that there
> are men drawn to be funeral directors, garbage collectors,
> or attorneys.

And women.

> Somehow it all works out, something for
> everyone to do.

I tend to think of it more from the angle of all necessary chores
covered by those who for some reason choose them.  I look at the medical
field that way majorly -- i.e., I am thankful that there are people
willing to be doctors, nurses, etc.  I would detest having to do that
kind of work.

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I don't like these particular fish. You can grow coral and anemones in
> > marine tanks, in addition ot fish.
> >
> > > Do you like sea fish?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> I see. When you have them will you tell us which they are?

Probably. I don't expect this to happen for a long time.

> > > Do you keep them as pets or you buy a living fish and keep it in the tank
> > > until it is time to cook it?
> >
> > I think I'm too soft-hearted to do this.
>
> :) That explains your sorrow for your lettuces.

No, my sorrow is for me, that I can't eat the lettuces.

> But I believe you. And am sorry for your loss of vegetables, too.

LOL.

> > Karen
> > tired of coughing
>
> And for this.

It's tiring.

Karen
tired of coughing

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bonniev said:
> I have a question for you, Espen.   I just read The Soloist, a novel whose
> plot involves a student who in a fit of "inspiration" kills his Zen
> Master.   Is it true that the Zen master might walk around while the
> disciples are sitting/meditating and whack them with a stick if they fall
> asleep or make noise??  I'd never heard that.

Oh, yes. I thought you read Van de Wetering's book(s)?

Karen
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bonniev said:
> The book is actually quite good and the author appears to know quite
> a bit about both music and Zen.  His name is Mark Salzman.

I know him, i think. He went to Yale.

Karen
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>Oh, yes. I thought you read Van de Wetering's book(s)?
>Karen

No, I've never read a single one of his books.


    --bonniev

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>bonniev said:
> > The book is actually quite good and the author appears to know quite
> > a bit about both music and Zen.  His name is Mark Salzman.
>
>I know him, i think. He went to Yale.
>Karen

Could be.  He was born in Connecticut in 1959.  Now lives in Los
Angeles.  Or he did in 1994 when this book was published.  Other
books:  Iron and Silk, The Laughing Sutra.


   --bonniev

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bonniev said:
> >bonniev said:
> > > The book is actually quite good and the author appears to know quite
> > > a bit about both music and Zen.  His name is Mark Salzman.
> >
> >I know him, i think. He went to Yale.
> >Karen
>
> Could be.  He was born in Connecticut in 1959.  Now lives in Los
> Angeles.  Or he did in 1994 when this book was published.  Other
> books:  Iron and Silk, The Laughing Sutra.

Yep, that's the guy.

Karen
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>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Rashmi, Marie, Alec, and other Iggles fans---condolences.  Tampa played a
>>good game.
>
>They choked bigtime and got completely outplayed by
>Tampa Bay. Sad to see the Veterans Stadium era end with
>such a bad loss. That final interception really hurt.

ouch ouch ouch

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>From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> >Fun!  Here's how I compat with Osama:
> >
> >Physical 70%     Emotional 2%     Intellectual 96%     Overall 56%
>
>And her is how I do:
>
>Physical 12%     Emotional 40%     Intellectual 27%     Overall 26%

Um...here's mine...

Physical 79%     Emotional 70%     Intellectual 83%     Overall 77%

Marie


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To Buzz Aldrin!  '73 laps around the Sun.

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At 10:29 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, Alan Wild wrote:
>To Buzz Aldrin!  '73 laps around the Sun.

Which reminds me, we did toast Steph yesterday! Hope it was a good one, steph!

Betty

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07:39 20.01.2003 -0800 skrev Betty:
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>Which reminds me, we did toast Steph yesterday! Hope it was a good one, steph!

Late again - HB Steph!

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From: "Marie Ascher" <lounge_ascher@hotmail.com>
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>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>When do they take down their holiday decorations?

Our lights are still up. There hasn't been a snowless day to go up and take
them down.

Marie

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 07:39:28AM -0800, Betty wrote:
= At 10:29 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, Alan Wild wrote:
= >To Buzz Aldrin!  '73 laps around the Sun.
=
= Which reminds me, we did toast Steph yesterday! Hope it was a good one, steph!
=
= Betty

kinda non-descript.  guess I'm saving up for the next one.  Nana
did call me at 1am this morning, though.

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>
> I use SnagIt by TechSmith (http://www.techsmith.com) for all my
> screen-capturing needs. It's a great utility.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>

Shareware, freeware or did you buy it?


alec

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steph wrote:
>
> kinda non-descript.  guess I'm saving up for the next one.  Nana
> did call me at 1am this morning, though.

Belated happy greetings.
alyce


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Oh my.  How did we forget Steph??  A belated HB,S!

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> Our lights are still up. There hasn't been a snowless day to go up and take
> them down.

Although I dislike artificial xmas trees, I do like what some people who
use them do with them after xmas -- turn them into Mardi Gras trees.

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Karen:

>Oh, yes. I thought you read Van de Wetering's book(s)?

I'm the resident Janwillem fan.

Speaking of which, I didn't really care for -The Lovely Bones-.
Anyone here read it?

-rashmi



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> Shareware, freeware or did you buy it?

Bought it. Mind you, I use it for work.

--Adam
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> Where does everyone like to stay while visiting? My conference is being
> held at the Riveria. I've never stayed there.
>
> Betty
>

We stayed for a wedding. It was clean and reasonably priced. Fairly close to
the action. Enjoy.


alec

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>To Buzz Aldrin!  '73 laps around the Sun.

AND Steph?

Anyway, HB!

Bethany

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>Although I dislike artificial xmas trees, I do like what some people who
>use them do with them after xmas -- turn them into Mardi Gras trees.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That's neat.  I never heard of that.  Picture??


    --bonniev

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>Speaking of which, I didn't really care for -The Lovely Bones-.
>Anyone here read it?
>-rashmi

I'm glad to hear that.  I've been resisting reading that.  But I see it
everywhere.


    --bonniev

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> Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>
> >Not Natalie, but that never stopped me. What area and price range ?  I
know
> >a couple wonderful hotels in the 15th and 5th.
>
> Thanks, Alec. Anything not-too-pricey will do. I'm only going to be
> there a coupla nights - side jaunt during a 2-week business trip to
> Antwerp. Last time I was there (8 years ago?) I didn't look much
> beforehand and ended up at a so-so non-descript place.
>
> -rashmi
>

Off season you should find good deals. I have found two star hotels are
cheaper, but not always the better option. It depends also if you are fluent
in French. Hotel Central Saint Germain in the 5th has been recommended by
family who has stayed there, I have not stayed there yet. Between $100 to
150 a night depending on the time of week. Skip staying in the 15th unless
you know the area.


alec

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bonniev wrote:

>> Speaking of which, I didn't really care for -The Lovely Bones-.
>> Anyone here read it?
>> -rashmi
>
>
> I'm glad to hear that.  I've been resisting reading that.  But I see it
> everywhere.
>


        I've taken a pass on it.  Sounds like something that would
give me the heebie jeebies.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 10:05 AM 1/20/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Oh my.  How did we forget Steph??  A belated HB,S!

Some of us didn't forget.  We celebrated in Santa Rosa and you should have
been there. Myles and Maureen look great.  I had not seen them for a
while.  Actually, everyone else looked good, too. My photos didn't come out
all that well but Ken took some, too.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Although I dislike artificial xmas trees, I do like what some people who
> >use them do with them after xmas -- turn them into Mardi Gras trees.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> That's neat.  I never heard of that.  Picture??

I don't have one to take a picture of.  Didn't have a xmas tree at all
and am not into artificial trees.  Too bad I didn't have my camera last
night.  The people who had the dinner party have a great one.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Some of us didn't forget.  We celebrated in Santa Rosa and you should have
> been there. Myles and Maureen look great.  I had not seen them for a
> while.  Actually, everyone else looked good, too. My photos didn't come out
> all that well but Ken took some, too.

I was pleased to meet Sharon.  Please do not post any photos with people
who don't look great in them!  All the women were lovely and all the men
were studlike, and if you post pictures to the contrary I will not say
YAAY!

Ann

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> in French. Hotel Central Saint Germain in the 5th has been recommended by
> family who has stayed there, I have not stayed there yet. Between $100 to
> 150 a night depending on the time of week.

That strikes me as extremely expensive.  I mentioned the Claude Bernard
yesterday, saying that the prices had gotten pretty high since it was
renovated, but they're not that high.  I checked on the web after
mentioning it and saw that it's 89 euro for a single room.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Nov-Feb it's 75 euro:

http://www.lodging-in-paris.com/rates.html

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If you want a quiet hotel and are willing to pay close to 100 euro,
here's one:

http://www.france-hotel-guide.com/h75006delavigne2.htm

I stayed there several years ago.  (The prices were lower then.)  It was
comfortable and very quiet.  The location was ok, though it was a bit
farther from a metro stop than I would've preferred.
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I *think* this is the one I was sitting in the little park looking at
and thinking I'd like to stay in.  I'm almost positive, especially given
the address.  The little chapel I love is St-Julien le Pauvre.

************************
Hotel Esmeralda, 4 rue Saint-Julien le Pauvre tel
                      0143541920 fax 0140510068
                      In an old building, dating 1640, this hotel houses
19
                      charming rooms. deliciously decorated as a doll’s
house
                      in ancient style with a wooden furnishing they are
                      equipped with phone and TV. .Splendid staircase.
Certain
                      rooms have a view on Notre-Dame. A ravishing
hotel,
                      typically Parisian. Single room with wash basin
24.50 €,
                      doubles with shower and WC. for 49 €. Doubles
(bath
                      room and WC) with bath, WC , TV and view on
                      Notre-Dame 75 €. Bathrooms and especially the tubs
are
                      sometimes worn out, but for these prices.....
*************************
from:
http://www.jack-travel.com/Paris/ParisHtml/inexpensive_to_moderate_hotels_p.htm#5th
arrondissement (Quartier latin)
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I *think* this is the one I was sitting in the little park looking at
> and thinking I'd like to stay in.  I'm almost positive, especially given
> the address.  The little chapel I love is St-Julien le Pauvre.
>
> ************************
> Hotel Esmeralda, 4 rue Saint-Julien le Pauvre tel

But you need to book early:

**************
The Esmeralda is one of our all-time
                favorite hotels anywhere. Of course, it's
                also no secret, frequented by romantics
                and eccentrics the world 'round. So book
                early--Lozano, the Esmeralda's friendly
                manager, suggests three months ahead
                in high season.
***************
from: http://www.eurocheapo.com/paris/listings/selection/esmeralda.asp

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Happy Birthday, Steph!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 09:16 AM 1/20/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Some of us didn't forget.  We celebrated in Santa Rosa and you should have
> > been there. Myles and Maureen look great.  I had not seen them for a
> > while.  Actually, everyone else looked good, too. My photos didn't come out
> > all that well but Ken took some, too.
>
>I was pleased to meet Sharon.  Please do not post any photos with people
>who don't look great in them!  All the women were lovely and all the men
>were studlike, and if you post pictures to the contrary I will not say
>YAAY!

None of the ones of you came out all that great. I was hoping for a good
one to send mem but I don't like to send unflattering photos either. One of
Neal came out good and the one with Ken and all the money.

Betty

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Here are some pictures from the web, but I've seen *MUCH* better ones
than these, including my friends' tree last night:

http://www.cgernon.com/sptf/m_g_tree.jpg
http://www.drchristmas.com/treefolder/MardiGrasop.jpg
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~wadde001/housewalk/images/secnd_flr/mardi_tree.jpg
http://www.tcgardens.com/photos/Christmas2001/MardiGrasTreeweb.jpg

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>
> > What's been going on listwise?
>
> What's been going on is I've been waiting for you to surface so
I
> could ask you a very pressing question: Is there a procedure
for
> getting the Library of Congress to change information in its
author
> authority file or is that simply unheard of? More specifically,
is
> a person stuck with a name once it's recorded there or can it
be
> changed? Does that make any sense?
>
>
>    mem

Michael, I  have been sort of remote from authority issues for
some time now, but didn't one of your librarian colleagues once
successfully petition LC for a subject heading  change about a
Hawaiian king or insurrection or something?  In short, they
listen.

brad

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champagne and will shoot its cork into the yard the
> first time another Wordsler is here.  That person (or people --
doesn't
> have to be just one) and I will then toast Alyce with the
champagne.
>
> Hear that, Brad?  Next time you're in Tupelo, think about the
fact that
> in just a bit over an hour you could be in Starkville.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


I did think about that fact.  I had even scribbled down your
address on White Drive for the trip, but I figured you were busy
with your mother's affairs and not the best for receiving
company, especially beer-guzzling, champagne-toasting company
like me.  We made a nice road trip from Tupelo to J.P. Coleman
and Pickwick Lake parts (everything was closed, so we wound up
eating at a fish camp in Corinth).  The derivation of the name
"Pickwick" was tearing me all to pieces until I got home and
discovered on the web that it was indeed named for the Dickens
novel.

I believe that Lexington piece in Southern Living was on p. 20,
but you're smart enough to have figured that out by now.

I had a phone chat with John Hannum on Saturday after the
basketball game.  He reminded me that I should bring him more
souvenirs of my infrequent travels, so I have been surveying my
t-shirt reserves and just about decided on the Torondezvous one
with the quotations from List Giants on the back (this as opposed
to a Mississippi Magnolia State one, which is not in his size).
I also have a birth-of-rock-and-roll shirt from Reed's department
store that made me think of you (it's long-sleeved), but I may
need to hang on to that one.   It's a gift from Kay, and I've
already given away another version of it.

Has the Myles Callum Fest occurred yet?  I've been awaiting a
report.

brad

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Belated, but: Happy Birthday, Steph!

Kristin

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Betty said:
> Neal came out good and the one with Ken and all the money.

Ken always gets all the money!:)

Karen
tired of coughing

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At 09:26 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, bogris01 wrote:
>Has the Myles Callum Fest occurred yet?  I've been awaiting a
>report.
>
>brad

Janet took off with two of the men and we haven't heard from them yet.

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02003-01-18 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> Buncha wusses. The whole anti-war movement strikes me as pathetic.
>
> >Why?
>
> Because they don't seem to have a credible alternative to the
> administration's war-drums. What they're doing now is saying yes,
> we agree that Saddam's a monster but let's not do anything about
> it. The administration has run rings around the dissenters and
> has framed the debate masterfully.

Not unexpected, considering the standards of "masterful" these days...
I would have called it a pretty ham-fisted exploitation of the obvious
fact that nobody really wants to defend a lowlife, but if jumping on
this kind of opportunity is to be called masterful, so be it. It's in
line with the many masterful entrepreneurs etc in the past decade.

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bogris01 wrote:

> company, especially beer-guzzling, champagne-toasting company
> like me.  We made a nice road trip from Tupelo to J.P. Coleman

Well, the champagne still sits in the refrigerator, awaiting the first
Wordsler to visit.  So you're still in the running.

> I believe that Lexington piece in Southern Living was on p. 20,
> but you're smart enough to have figured that out by now.

No, I can't find hide nor hair of Lexington in that magazine.  "Books
and Bargains in Shreveport" is on p. 20 of the issue with banana pudding
on the front.  Another one has arrived since then with blue and yellow
furniture on the front, but no Lexington.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>>Has the Myles Callum Fest occurred yet?  I've been awaiting a
>>report.      --brad
>
>Janet took off with two of the men and we haven't heard from them yet.

How nice.  Neal and Bookrat have found a fuck buddy.

Did Borkin have her new glasses on??


    --bonniev

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02003-01-20 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> I just read The Soloist, a novel whose plot involves a student who
> in a fit of "inspiration" kills his Zen Master.

Lady, did you even look at the Amazon blurb or something before
buying it? Damn just reading that bizarreness gave me a headache.

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02003-01-20 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Ah, ha.   That is what happens in the book.   The young man is given a
> puzzle to solve about "If  you meet the Buddha in the road and he stands in
> your way, kill him."   He reaches enlightenment and the master asks him to
> prove that.  The student takes the stick from the master and beats him to
> death.

Hm, I am sorry I spoke without thinking. This book must be a profound
reverie on the nature of spirituality, guilt, and sanity.

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02003-01-18 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> The 2nd always fits in:

'agreed.

> whether you want complete autonomy or simply to state your case,
> the 2nd is your Ace in the hole.
>
> (For an explanation of what this means, dial
> 10-10-220-Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot)

'even more.

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>Hm, I am sorry I spoke without thinking. This book must be a profound
>reverie on the nature of spirituality, guilt, and sanity.

The book is not profound.  I didn't look at the Amazon blurb because I
don't even recall buying it.  Perhaps it was given to me.  I don't know how
it came to be on my bookshelf.  I'm sure it wouldn't live up to your high
standards of reading material, dear Mr. T Bone.


    --bonniev

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02003-01-19 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>
> How could I not know about The Onion?

You amaze me, Maynor. You know about The Onion?

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rita [on The Lovely Bones]:

>bonniev wrote:

> > I'm glad to hear that.  I've been resisting reading that.  But I see it
> > everywhere.

>        I've taken a pass on it.  Sounds like something that would
>give me the heebie jeebies.

A friend got it for Christmas and passed it on after reading
it. It wasn't a downer or gross as I'd feared - just kinda
blah and watered down. She evaded the questions worth
pursuing and went after fairly safe conventional issues.
I had no interest in any of the characters - I have no idea
how the book got to be everywhere.

-rashmi

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On 20 Jan 2003 at 9:25, bogris01 wrote:

> Michael, I  have been sort of remote from authority issues for
> some time now, but didn't one of your librarian colleagues once
> successfully petition LC for a subject heading  change about a
> Hawaiian king or insurrection or something?  In short, they
> listen.

I had entirely forgotten about that. Who was that? Ruth Horie, maybe.
I'll ask her next time I see her. Thanks for the reminder.


    mem

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02003-01-20 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
> >>Fun!  Here's how I compat with Osama:
> >>
> >>Physical 70%     Emotional 2%     Intellectual 96%     Overall 56%
> >
> >And her is how I do:
> >
> >Physical 12%     Emotional 40%     Intellectual 27%     Overall 26%
>
> Um...here's mine...
>
> Physical 79%     Emotional 70%     Intellectual 83%     Overall 77%

I have forwarded this to homeland security.

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02003-01-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Some of us didn't forget.  We celebrated in Santa Rosa and you should have
> > been there. Myles and Maureen look great.  I had not seen them for a
> > while.  Actually, everyone else looked good, too. My photos didn't come out
> > all that well but Ken took some, too.
>
> I was pleased to meet Sharon.  Please do not post any photos with people
> who don't look great in them!  All the women were lovely and all the men
> were studlike, and if you post pictures to the contrary I will not say
> YAAY!
>
> Ann

Please post a photo of Borkin.

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02003-01-20 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> I'm sure it wouldn't live up to your high standards of reading
> material, dear Mr. T Bone.

Sucked, heh?

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At 01:54 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>Has the Myles Callum Fest occurred yet?  I've been awaiting a
>>>report.      --brad
>>
>>Janet took off with two of the men and we haven't heard from them yet.
>
>How nice.  Neal and Bookrat have found a fuck buddy.


Are you jealous?


>Did Borkin have her new glasses on??

Yes, and I liked them a lot.  I guess they were new.

Betty

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At 02:15 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-01-20 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > Some of us didn't forget.  We celebrated in Santa Rosa and you should
> have
> > > been there. Myles and Maureen look great.  I had not seen them for a
> > > while.  Actually, everyone else looked good, too. My photos didn't
> come out
> > > all that well but Ken took some, too.
> >
> > I was pleased to meet Sharon.  Please do not post any photos with people
> > who don't look great in them!  All the women were lovely and all the men
> > were studlike, and if you post pictures to the contrary I will not say
> > YAAY!
> >
> > Ann
>
>Please post a photo of Borkin.

Sorry. No flattering picture of Borkin. Photos do not do her beauty
justice. You can't capture the light shining within of Bad Nurse Borkin.

Betty

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http://www.ParisHotels.com/
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>>Did Borkin have her new glasses on??
>
>Yes, and I liked them a lot.  I guess they were new.
>Betty

I like them too.  They look rimless and tinted.


    --bonniev

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At 04:14 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>http://www.ParisHotels.com/

Paris is on my list of places to see.

Betty

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At 02:26 PM 1/20/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>At 04:14 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>http://www.ParisHotels.com/
>
>Paris is on my list of places to see.

Paris Ky, Paris TX (godforbid), Paris France?

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At 05:35 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 02:26 PM 1/20/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>>At 04:14 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>>http://www.ParisHotels.com/
>>
>>Paris is on my list of places to see.
>
>Paris Ky, Paris TX (godforbid), Paris France?

Chase URL

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I sent e-mail to a friend who goes to Paris several times a year and
asked her where she stayed since I was pretty sure that in recent years
she had been staying in the same place.  Interestingly, it's the one I
mentioned earlier (the Delavigne), where she and her husband and I
stayed a few years ago.  I think that was their first time to stay there
-- the time I met them there.  But she has continued to return to it.
It's the one that's quiet but imho too far from the closest metro stop,
at least when you're arriving on the metro from the airport with
luggage.  She mentioned some others also:

> The hotel is the Delavigne, 1 rue Casimir Delavigne.  It has a website,
> www.hoteldelavigne.com, which is quite nice -- and gives the rates (which
> keep going up!).  There is also the Grand Hotel des Balcons, which is right
> next door, also a 3-star, with somewhat lower room rates -- and there was an
> article in the NYT Travel section yesterday recommending the Hotel Residence
> Monge, 55 rue Monge (in the 5th arr. -- the others are in the 6th), a 2-star
> hotel where rooms with bath (shower stall) go for about 88 bucks and where
> the author of the article enjoyed staying, apparently.  But another one that
> I can recommend is the Select Hotel, on the Place de la Sorbonne, where

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:

> Chase URL

I just discovered something that makes me less <keen on> that url.  It
happened by chance that I used my backup browser (IE) when I went to it
since I had something in my real browser that I wanted to keep there.  I
just clicked on the url in this mail and found that it was blank.  Iow,
that url is part of the Gatesian conspiracy that I do not normally
support.  I will strike it from my memory.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Did anyone else watch the new "Hound of the Baskervilles" last night on
PBS? I thoroughly enjoyed it. The hound was really something. So were some
of the characters. Cigs and drugs seemed appropriate for Edwardian
England.

Bethany

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02003-01-20 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 02:15 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >Please post a photo of Borkin.
>
> Sorry. No flattering picture of Borkin. Photos do not do her beauty
> justice. You can't capture the light shining within of Bad Nurse Borkin.

LAME

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02003-01-19 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:25:28PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = 02003-01-18 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:14:10AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = > = Karen Kay wrote:
> = > = > > Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?
> = > = >
> = > = > Because.
> = > =
> = > = Ah.  That explains it!
> = >
> = > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part2/section-20.html
> = >
> = > Not only does it just say SysRq, but it does something that
> = > doesn't do anything!
> =
> = Butt out, this is K-R-N and Natalie's show.
>
> sorry.  soorryy.  didn't mean to spoil anyone's amusement for the
> day.

SysRq.

Jeeze!

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02003-01-20 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> quotes:
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [b] OP Magazine Launches
> From: <info@opmagazine.com>
>
>
> [...]  Nicholas Basbanes (author of A Gentle Madness)


So he is the one who invented this type of title. "Nicholas Basbanes"
must RESIGN IN SHAME.

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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >  In fact I distinctly said "strong continuous",
> > > > which by plainly understood convention implies continuity in the
> > > > strength.
> > >
> > > Is there not continuity in the strength of writing?
> >
> > You tell me, since you brought it up. However, do not phrase
> > it as a general truth, as in the post above.
>
> I think there's continuity in the strength of writing.  But I fear that
> that's stating a general truth.

Don't do it in future, Natalie.

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>From globeandmail.com, Saturday, January 18, 2003

What makes these bones live?

MARTIN LEVIN



 Every year, it seems, there's one book, almost invariably it's a novel, that comes out of nowhere to emerge as the year's darling, the book everybody must read, or at least everybody is talking about. A few years back, it was Charles Frazier's Cold Mountain. In 2001, Jonathan Franzen's The Corrections was a sensation, dominating North American bestseller lists (selling a reported, and astonishing, 50,000 hardover copies in Canada alone). And in 2002, it was Alice Sebold's fictional debut, The Lovely Bones (Little, Brown) that was on everyone's lips and everyone's must-read list (including that of last year's word-of-mouth champ Franzen, who furnished a smitten blurb).


Both Frazier and Franzen got great boosts from buzz at booksellers' conventions in the United States and Europe. But Sebold didn't have that; nor did she have Oprah any longer. My guess is that part of the reason Oprah stopped her book club -- aside from her declared avowal that there just weren't any more books worth reading, at least of the women who overcome terrible adversity genre -- was the Franzen flap. You'll recall that Franzen made a show of declining to accept the honour of having The Corrections Oprah-ized on the grounds that it was literarily infra dig.


So Sebold didn't have the book fairs. And she didn't have Oprah. But she did have Anna Quindlen who, six weeks before the book was due to be published, used the Today show as a pulpit and told everyone they must read it. Almost immediately, the book hit number one on amazon.com; within a week of publication, it had been reprinted seven times, to the tune of over half a million copies. And that was just the beginning; the number kept rising until there were more than two million copies in print.


Clearly readers ate up this tale of a murdered young girl reporting from a very idiosyncratic Heaven. So did most reviewers, although a few Grinch-like critics, notably among the nay-saying, trash-America sort of Brits, demurred, finding the bones somewhat less than lovely, and more than a touch sugary for their tastes.


Our own reviewer, Michelle Berry, said, "If someone had told me what this book was about, I probably would have refused to review it. The plot sounds hokey. Amateurish, even. A novel narrated by a dead 14-year-old girl from Heaven?. . . . But . . . The Lovely Bones is not hokey, nor is it amateurish. In fact, it's perfectly lovely. To be able to narrate an adult book from the perspective of a 14-year-old, and do it well, is hard enough. To be able to narrate the book from a Heaven that sounds completely reasonable, completely right, borders on genius." She also praises the grace of Sebold's writing, the subtlety of her craft, the very boldness of the venture.


For the most part, Berry's view seems to me persuasive. That Sebold is able to pull off such a conceit, that she can place 14-year-old Susie Salmon in a Heaven which seems the archetype of a teenager's dream world (and is, we learn, simply one of a number of individual heavens, and apparently only preparatory for other Heavens of perhaps higher purpose), and that she can make it (mostly) believable is a real tribute to both her reach and her craft.


And the first chapters, in which Susie recounts her rape and murder by her serial-killer neighbour, Mr. Harvey, are dazzling. The mixture of Susie's teenaged matter-of-factness and idiom with an act of terrible, calculated brutality is something I've not encountered before. The following chapters on the early stages of Susie's family's attempts to deal with their loss, their disruptive grief, are almost as potent; the pain is palpable.


And yet. And yet. As the novel progresses, Susie functions as a kind of guardian angel in training, watching as her father falls apart, as her mother has an affair and leaves home, as her younger sister, Lindsey, and brother Buckley struggle with love and identity, and as the killer hides the evidence of his crime. I am not the first to note that there is something anodyne in how the balance between light and dark, so delicately maintained at first, gradually heads toward the light, as we are told survivors of near-death experiences do. Things come right for the good and the bad are punished, though the novel implies that such states are not permanent anyway, and that even being horribly raped and murdered may have its points. (Sebold certainly understands the former; she is also the author of a much-praised memoir of her own rape, Lucky.)


I understand that The Lovely Bones is a fantasy, a fable, and not to be taken as realistic fiction. I understand too that it is about learning to live with great loss and about letting go of what one cannot perforce hold on to. But it is also about -- and I think this is where much of its astonishing appeal lies -- reassuring us that the universe makes sense, and that all will come out right in the end, appearances to the contrary. It's a sort of faith absent from the lives of most of us. Combine that with the parlous state of the world, the relentless catalogue of horrors past, horrors present and horrors to come and it's clear why a tale that reassures us of life's worth, even of its goodness, resonates so deeply with so many.






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On Monday, January 20, 2003 at 20:01, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> rita [on The Lovely Bones]:

> A friend got it for Christmas and passed it on after reading
> it. It wasn't a downer or gross as I'd feared - just kinda
> blah and watered down. She evaded the questions worth
> pursuing and went after fairly safe conventional issues.
> I had no interest in any of the characters - I have no idea
> how the book got to be everywhere.

Globe & Mail article on the way...

Tony H.

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Maybe the Delavigne isn't as far from the metro as I remember it as
being.  I think I'm mainly remembering dragging a suitcase up a hill to
it upon arrival.  (But the following description does sound a wee bit
far -- like it's obviously not right out the hotel door.)

> Actually, it is quite close to the Odeon station -- out the hotel door
> (which is only a few steps from the rue Monsieur le Prince), a left on rue
> M. le Prince for about half a block then a right onto rue Dupuytren for a
> short block, which puts you right onto Blvd. St. Germain at the Odeon Metro
> station.  That's one of the reasons I like to stay there -- that, and the
> fact that there are lots of good relatively inexpensive restaurants in the
> vicinity -- and I can walk to St. Julien le Pauvre for the evening concerts.

--
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Something about Elvis is going to be on Biography tonight.
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At 02:49 PM 1/20/2003 -0800, betty wrote:

>>Paris Ky, Paris TX (godforbid), Paris France?
>
>Chase URL

Moi?

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At 06:04 PM 1/20/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Something about Elvis is going to be on Biography tonight.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

yawn.

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At 07:20 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 02:49 PM 1/20/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>
>>>Paris Ky, Paris TX (godforbid), Paris France?
>>
>>Chase URL
>
>Moi?

I just got a blank page.

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Was it bad that I didn't go to the MLK rally today?  I was going to go,
but then I didn't go.  Something about two courthouse rallies the same
weekend was kind of overwhelming or something.  I usually do go, so
maybe it's ok if I left it to others this time.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:

> I just got a blank page.

That is a good sign.  It means you use the right browser.  Ignore that
url.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:54:27 -0500, bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> wrote:

>>>Has the Myles Callum Fest occurred yet?  I've been awaiting a
>>>report.      --brad
>>
>>Janet took off with two of the men and we haven't heard from them yet.
>
>How nice.  Neal and Bookrat have found a fuck buddy.
>
>Did Borkin have her new glasses on??
>
>
>    --bonniev

Back in Seattle.  No time to report much, as I'm heading off to celebrate
nephew Harrison's birthday.

Had a great time in Santa Rosa with the gang!  The swoop up (and first FRF)
with Sharon was a high point, as was the evening and partial day with Janet
afterward.

neal, amused by bonnie's discomfiture

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>
> Was it bad that I didn't go to the MLK rally today?  I was going to go,
> but then I didn't go.  Something about two courthouse rallies the same
> weekend was kind of overwhelming or something.  I usually do go, so
> maybe it's ok if I left it to others this time.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Probably not as bad as me attending a Guns of the West gunshow at the Cow
Palace on Saturday. There was a lot less Nazi paraphernalia than I remember
from the only other gunshow I attended some 20 years ago. For that, I am
grateful.

Sandra

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 07:56:31PM +0200, Kristin Sarv wrote:
= Belated, but: Happy Birthday, Steph!
=
= Kristin

Thanks everyone for the good birthday wishes.  You're all
forgiven for being late, even Nana who called me at 1am.

steph

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16:10 20.01.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:
>Karen:
>
>>Oh, yes. I thought you read Van de Wetering's book(s)?
>
>I'm the resident Janwillem fan.
>
>Speaking of which, I didn't really care for -The Lovely Bones-.
>Anyone here read it?

I can't remember -but I sometimes get confused about book titles. I also once started on one (of the earlier ones) and it has disappeared and did not reappear when we moved things from Ingjerd's apartment. But I have read most of his crime books and his three zen-books.

Espen

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11:28 20.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>If you want a quiet hotel and are willing to pay close to 100 euro,
>here's one:
>
>http://www.france-hotel-guide.com/h75006delavigne2.htm

Here is a cheaper one which I know nothing about except that it is in the 5th arrondissement.

http://www.france-hotel-guide.com/h75005stjacques.htm

Espen

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 05:55:02 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Not for Ana, for me... apparently, the high school is a
mess.  Agnes called me last night to tell me the electricity
has been out since Sunday night.  Channel 5 (who would know
since the morning anchor is married to the assistant
superindent) says a pipe burst and flooded the room where
the electrical and heat plant are.  It has to be a nightmare
-- the building is a pastiche of sections built in different
decades.  The computers are down of course, and we're at the
end of the grade cycle.... the principal, who is retiring at
the end of this year, must be counting the days!

I like having a day off, but I really don't want to stretch
the school year any further into June when my room is going
to be 100 degrees.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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;-)  That's great, Bonnie!



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> I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
> newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But it
> is !!
>
> http://www.geddys.com/harborcam01.html
>
>     --bonniev

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'Know anyone in the 4th Infantry Division?   (Many will be from Ft. Hood,
TX., others from Ft. Carson, Co... there are 10 other areas contributing
personnel)

They'll be part of Taskforce Ironhorse, a 37,000 assemblage recently ordered
to the Gulf.

God Speed, Ironhorse

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Subject: Re: Geddy's Cam - Acadia Fest
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We can all get our shinny little faces on the Geddy-Cam during the fest...
8-)   First things first though, like happy hour inside, then a group
Geddy-cam shot for the Wordslurs who can't make it.

Other ideas quickly pop into mind, like a group Moon for all of the
politicians whom so annoy us  ;-)

... or maybe a group full-frontal for Janet to critique.    ok, I'm done ;-P
What would the Bar Harbor Times read like?

'Alan





----- Original Message -----
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> ;-)  That's great, Bonnie!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bonniev" <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: I got on the Geddy's Cam!
>
>
> > I happened to be walking past Geddy's toward Sherman's to get the Sunday
> > newspapers when the 11:00 shot was taken.  You can't tell it's me.  But
it
> > is !!
> >
> > http://www.geddys.com/harborcam01.html
> >
> >     --bonniev

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>... or maybe a group full-frontal for Janet to critique.    ok, I'm done ;-P
>What would the Bar Harbor Times read like?
>'Alan

"Visiting Internet Group Fails to Get Noticed in July 4th Crowds Numbering
Close to a Million Souls"


    --bonniev

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I come from the Monty Python School of How to Get Noticed  ;-)

At exactly 8:30pm, we will all converge in the buff to stand before the camera, and before we get arrested...  After, the Times will read "Internet Group Arrested on Charges of Indecent Exposure", but I will smoke pot in the lockup overnight, blame my parents, seek therapy, and get off.



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> >... or maybe a group full-frontal for Janet to critique.    ok, I'm done ;-P
> >What would the Bar Harbor Times read like?
> >'Alan
> 
> "Visiting Internet Group Fails to Get Noticed in July 4th Crowds Numbering
> Close to a Million Souls"
> 
> 
>     --bonniev

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At 07:10 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>I may go back in there and watch a tiny bit of the second half, though,
>>because I do like watching Derek Zimmerman.  I just like the way he
>>looks and acts.  And one of these days I'm going to learn about things
>>like positions.  I know that the Post stands like a post right under the
>>basket but doesn't do much since there are always too many people
>>swarming around him.  And I know that the Point Guard, which is what
>>Derek is, dribbles the ball up the court from the other end.  But I
>>don't know any other names of positions, and mainly it seems that
>>whoever wants to shoots the ball whenever and from wherever he may be.
>
>
>        I found it fun last week that after having two boys added to
>my classes, I ended up with the entire starting line up of
>the boy's varsity basketball team.  I'm gonna go to the next
>home game.
>
>        But they didn't close one of my CWC (mix of regular and
>learning disabled kids) classes in time, and it is now
>enormous, and that's a big mess because they can't move the
>LD kids due to IEPs yadda yadda yadda.  One CWC of that
>class is insufficient, so now we're talking giving me three
>CWC classes next year, which is more than anyone in the
>building -- but now Ellie and I are being requested by
>various parents/special ed. people.

The word is out!

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> TS> Look for something with "Karen" and maybe "jobs" in it. She posted
> TS> the URL, not the article.
>
> I did. And I searched for a URL. AND I CAN'T FIND IT.

I do think she mentioned you in it.  Don't remember whether it was in
the subject header or the body.  But she said something like "This
doesn't look good for Karen" or "Info for Karen and Others."

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At 08:28 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I tried to take some pictures showing the tv set in relation to the
>couch, but they really don't show it well at all.  In uploading them,
>though, I discovered some beautiful pictures on the camera that I hadn't
>uploaded yet.  The tv pictures and the beautiful pictures are now here:
>
>http://www.maynor.net/tv.html

He is cute and probably doesn't like you sleeping in his bed.

Betty

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At 09:43 PM 2/1/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>up and said "Do you know who you were sitting there talking
>to?" and I said "His name is Rich Gannon" and they said
>"You mean you didn't even know he's the quarterback for
>the Oakland Raiders?????"
>
>Nah.  But he was nice and was sure good looking.
>
>                                - D. M.

He and the rest of the Oakland Raiders never showed for the Oakland Raider
celebration the city planned for honoring them. Sore lusers!

Sounds as if your day was nice though, Doris.  How many more days?

Betty

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At 08:56 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Saturday, February 1, 2003, 8:54:12 PM, you wrote:
>RC>         If Tushar gets kicked out of the U.S., there are good jobs
>RC> waiting for him back home!
>
>This warms my heart no end--but how am I supposed to live for the
>next 40 years?

How do you feel about pharmacy school?

Betty

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At 09:01 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Saturday, February 1, 2003, 8:58:35 PM, you wrote:
>RC> Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Saturday, February 1, 2003, 8:54:12 PM, you wrote:
> >> RC>         If Tushar gets kicked out of the U.S., there are good jobs
> >> RC> waiting for him back home!
> >>
> >> This warms my heart no end--but how am I supposed to live for the
> >> next 40 years?
>
>
>RC>         I don't know.  I guess you'll end up doing something else.
>
>Something else what? That was kind of the point of this article:
>there won't be a lot of choices left.
>--

You've always seemed interested in medicine. You could give pulmonary
function tests!

Is teaching totally out of the picture?  I know you don't like others
telling you what you should do so I'll stop but it seems pretty clear that
you probably looking at different options anyway.  I wish you the best!

They are giving signing bonuses here to attract medical people.

Betty

Betty

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Even though I have to dial up to the MSU terminal server to use it, it's
still fun to bounce spam back at the spammers.  I like watching
Mailwasher at work.  I can't do it with mail to this address since
there's no way I can dial up to a matching server -- there's no dialup
to Wojo.  But I don't get nearly as much spam at this address as I do at
Ra.  Anyway, I recommend Mailwasher to any of you who might be using the
same incoming and outgoing servers.  (It will do lots more than the
bouncing back.  It's just that that's my favorite part.  It makes me
feel that I'm <taking action>.)

You can find it at something like www.mailwasher.net.

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02003-02-02 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >Really, Marie? This seems like a case where there will be more
> >FALSEHOOD in numbers than truth ...
>
> I remain unconvinced. I wasn't proposing doing what I was doing to create
> the order I wanted, but rather to make the analysis more CLEAN.

I know that ... (It's the fowler monkeys who were accusing you of
"putting a mathematical shine on your prejudices" or whatever...
Not consciously, mind you, they added. I hope I was a little less
patronizing.) Of course I understand that you have a large dump of
numbers to make sense of, but come on, any method you come up with
DOES after all embody some assumption! First of all, if I were
taking the survey, it would not occur to me to convey the urgency
of a particular issue by jacking up the "minimum acceptable level"
on it ... And if told that it was a standard survey, I certainly
wouldn't suspect that individual librarians were free to munge
the numbers any way they thought logical. Now there is another
question which comes up: are there any guidelines about how to
treat the numbers for this survey? If it's "standardized" like
standardized tests are, interpretation of the numbers will be
part of the package. OR, there will be something about "6" on
one question not being comparable to "half a dozen" on another...

> >That's why a librarian's subjective assessment comes first, and
> >number-crunching comes second, guiding it ... in practice you
> >would in fact sort them by (gap x minimum acceptable) and then
> >subjectively reverse priorities where they are glaringly wrong.
>
> I don't think so, because I don't see how I can define "glaringly
> wrong". The answers is the answers. There is no right and wrong.

This I disagree with, for the simple reason that you can always
come up with plausible arithmetic procedures which significantly
rearrange the priorities, so how do you know which one is the
right one? It is the one with the right implicit assumptions,
of course ... but how can numbers on their own tell you that?
That's all I am saying, internal consistency is just internal
consistency, and clean is merely clean. As for glaringly wrong--
that's defined as something which goes against a subjective
judgement based on experience.

Of course, once in a zillion times, numbers refuse to budge and
force you to question your knowledge, etc ... that's not analogous
to this situation IMO ...

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On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
> TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...
>
> So this was a typo like I thought...

Quick Karen before you go to sleep WHAT WAS THE TYPO?

I am so out of it.

Ann

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:25:16 AM, you wrote:

NM> You did say you'd checked job offerings at U of Texas, right?

Yes. I've applied repeatedly and never even gotten an interview.
>From what I understand, this is not unusual. They tend to hire
from within the UT community.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 8:33:53 AM, you wrote:

B> At 08:56 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Saturday, February 1, 2003, 8:54:12 PM, you wrote:
>>RC>         If Tushar gets kicked out of the U.S., there are good jobs
>>RC> waiting for him back home!
>>
>>This warms my heart no end--but how am I supposed to live for the
>>next 40 years?

B> How do you feel about pharmacy school?

I thought we were going to get all our drugs from Canada?

In any case, pharmacy school requires math and chemistry.
--
 Karen

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 8:39:26 AM, you wrote:
B> You've always seemed interested in medicine. You could give pulmonary
B> function tests!

Not and keep my house.

B> Is teaching totally out of the picture?

No one is hiring teachers. And it doesn't pay well.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> >http://www.maynor.net/tv.html
>
> He is cute and probably doesn't like you sleeping in his bed.

He doesn't make any effort at all to claim the bed.  He usually leaves
the room entirely when I start getting into bed.  That hurts my
feelings.  The blue recliner, however, really has turned into his own
turf.  He gives me strange looks when I sit in it.  So normally I sit on
the couch now when I'm in that room.

This reminds me that I need to take one of those pictures out of the
<collage>.  It's almost identical to another one of them.  I just stuck
them all in and didn't even notice until looking at them later that one
was almost a duplicate of another.  Maybe I'll go do that right now.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Done.  I just zapped the second picture, which was so much like the
first one.

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Betty wrote:

> He and the rest of the Oakland Raiders never showed for the Oakland Raider
> celebration the city planned for honoring them. Sore lusers!

Oh wait -- I think I know who this team is.  It's the one that lost a
game, and the town erupted into rioting and vandalism and stuff.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >   Here I throw them to a few people who like catching
> > them.
>
> How do you know what direction to throw them in?

I walk into their offices and toss them in the direction of their
hands.  It's very simple.

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Betty wrote:

> others are still fighting with their charcoal. It's not camping.  I'm too
> old for camping.

Me too.  You notice I said that my camping experiences were a long time
ago.

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Hotel Monge rated high on cleanliness, convenience and cost. Easy
walk from the metro (Cardinal Lemoine) and the usual spots in the
5th district. The room wasn't very large - about what I remembered
from previous trips and other hotels. This one was exceptionally
clean though, without the lingering aroma of smoke. The reservation
was all done online - a definite plus. I had no complaints and will
put it on my list of Paris hotels for future visits. Does this help
your friend, Natalie, or is she looking for something more specific?

It was great being back in Paris.It snowed on Saturday and after it
cleared up the city had that beautiful post-snow glow - the lit-up
monuments looked ever so pretty. I didn't go in for fancy dining
but had the most exquisite plate of petit-fours at Dalloyau. It
was cool being able to withdraw cash in Brussels to spend in Paris.

Nice, quick trip, all-in-all. Bucked me up for another week on the
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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>Really, Marie? This seems like a case where there will be more
>FALSEHOOD in numbers than truth ...

I remain unconvinced. I wasn't proposing doing what I was doing to create
the order I wanted, but rather to make the analysis more CLEAN.

>That's why a librarian's subjective assessment comes first, and
>number-crunching comes second, guiding it ... in practice you
>would in fact sort them by (gap x minimum acceptable) and then
>subjectively reverse priorities where they are glaringly wrong.

I don't think so, because I don't see how I can define "glaringly wrong".
The answers is the answers. There is no right and wrong.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> No one is hiring teachers. And it doesn't pay well.

We're about to start the flurry of on-campus interviews for three
positions.  So you can't really say that nobody is hiring teachers.
Maybe you meant Japanese teachers.  As for not paying well, you're right
of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         A bad case of lazy eye.  We have a librarian with the same

I'm sure I've told before the story of the neighbor in my childhood
whose glasses corrected his crossing-eye problem and about the time he
got hit with a baseball bat at school recess, knocking his glasses off,
at which point the teacher shrieked, "He's been knocked cross-eyed!"

> and always kinda seemed freaky, but he got a new one a few
> years ago and now his eyeballs match.

I wonder what happened to Rosemary Rogers.  She went to our elementary
school for a while but then vanished.  She had one blue eye and one
brown eye.  I've known various dogs with that combination, but I think
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About how to explode your coffeemaker, I am such a natural for
the lead!

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:45:26 AM, you wrote:
> You veto in a way that
> doesn't end discussion but prolong it, and those of us who want
> to help keep trying.

You may want to help, but discussions like this one do not help
me at all. Quite the contrary.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I've mentioned the eyeball plague at WG, haven't I?  Two
>>teachers in my department have weird eye things -- I guess
>>one teacher actually pops her glass eye out by accident when
>>she's upset... one of my students was telling me about it.
>>
>
> No, I don't think you've told.  I can imagine how upsetting it must be
> to pop your glass eye out by accident, especially in front of a bunch of
> hs students.  What is the other teacher's weird eye thing?


        A bad case of lazy eye.  We have a librarian with the same
thing.  I don't know why the other teacher's glass eye pops
out.  My dad has a glass eye and I've never seen it leave
his head.  For years it was a different shade of blue than
his real eye, which was very noticeable when he was angry
and always kinda seemed freaky, but he got a new one a few
years ago and now his eyeballs match.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> Does this help
> your friend, Natalie, or is she looking for something more specific?

Thanks!  I think this is what she was looking for.  And I am putting the
Monge on my list of Paris hotels also.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> I don't very often, but it's still common usage. I prefer "library users" or
> just "users" or to be more specific by group: "students", "faculty", etc.
> The word "patrons" always struck me as odd and old-fashioned. It is my
> feeling that its use is more common in public libraries.
>
> Marie

We call them that to higher management.  Because it makes us feel speshul.

Ann

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>My dad has a glass eye and I've never seen it leave
>his head.  For years it was a different shade of blue than
>his real eye, which was very noticeable when he was angry
>and always kinda seemed freaky, but he got a new one a few
>years ago and now his eyeballs match.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

How did he lose his eye in the first place?  How did the teacher?


    --bonniev

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At 09:45 AM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>About how to explode your coffeemaker, I am such a natural for
>the lead!
>
>Karen
>A well-rounded little rabbit

How did you explode your coffee maker?



alec


------------
Alec D. Plotkin
plotkina@isc.upenn.edu

"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
- Albert Einstein

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>No one is hiring teachers. And it doesn't pay well.
>>
>
> We're about to start the flurry of on-campus interviews for three
> positions.  So you can't really say that nobody is hiring teachers.
> Maybe you meant Japanese teachers.  As for not paying well, you're right
> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?


        Yeah, it's totally impossible to get hired as a teacher these
days. (??)



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 8:54:05 AM, you wrote:

NM> Karen Kay wrote:

>> No one is hiring teachers. And it doesn't pay well.

NM> We're about to start the flurry of on-campus interviews for three
NM> positions.  So you can't really say that nobody is hiring teachers.

Sorry. No one HERE is hiring teachers--all the districts have
frozen all their positions.

NM> Maybe you meant Japanese teachers.

No.

NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?

Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
physically exhausting than teaching.
--
 Karen

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:01:14 AM, you wrote:
RC>         Yeah, it's totally impossible to get hired as a teacher these
RC> days. (??)

1) I thought you were surprised how easily you got hired?
2) Don't forget the $$ you laid out in taking courses to get
certified.
--
 Karen

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At 08:54 AM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > No one is hiring teachers. And it doesn't pay well.
>
>We're about to start the flurry of on-campus interviews for three
>positions.  So you can't really say that nobody is hiring teachers.
>Maybe you meant Japanese teachers.  As for not paying well, you're right
>of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?

Academics is being protected here during all of our lay off planning.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:01:14 AM, you wrote:
> RC>         Yeah, it's totally impossible to get hired as a teacher these
> RC> days. (??)
>
> 1) I thought you were surprised how easily you got hired?
> 2) Don't forget the $$ you laid out in taking courses to get
> certified.


        1.  Exactly.

        2.  Remember, I was hired prior to certification (I was only
officially certified as of this week).




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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 02/03/2003 1:52:02 PM Central Standard Time,
> scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> <<
> The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
> is ... the year your youth ended
>
>
>
> Well, I don't know:  music stopped being good in 1992, but
> TV shows started being good then:  Law and Order, Highlander,
> Forever Knight, ER, Homicide, Robocop, Buffy, Angel, Twin Peaks,
> etc.  The only program in the Eighties that I really liked was
> Max Headroom.


        I wouldn't classify any of these shows as good.  Most of them
I consider awful.




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02003-02-03 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> You go, girl.  The young whippersnapper knows not of what he speaks!
>
> Betty

Oh, puh-lease, you are OLD, OK?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Does this help
> > your friend, Natalie, or is she looking for something more specific?
>
> Thanks!  I think this is what she was looking for.

And indeed it was.  She said that was exactly the kind of info she
wanted and that she would pass along the recommendation to her stepson
and stepdil.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> The moral of the story is, sometime you need coffee before you
> make coffee in the morning.

And the moral of that story is set up the coffeemaker the night before
so that all you have to do is turn it on in the morning (unless you have
a fancy one with a timer, in which case you don't even have to do
that).  Bonniemae will leap to say that's a travesty -- that it makes
the coffee taste stale.  I've never noticed a difference, however.  I
don't always set up the coffee the night before.  In fact, I probably
don't do it more often than I do do it.  But I always like it when I do
do it.  It's fun to walk into the kitchen in the early morning and
simply hit the on button.

I drank instant coffee until I was in my late forties.  But now that I'm
into non-instant, I prefer it.  My mother always preferred instant.  So
does my brother.

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bonniev wrote:

> I'm still young because I thought Chicago was excellent.   I'm not sure I

Funny!  I wrote my above comment re "Chicago" before reading this.  But
my comment was Wordsler related.

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At 07:40 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>A friend sent this to me. Makes me wish I were retired.
>
>  Karen
>
>
>February 3, 2003
>
>The New Global Job Shift

Wow.  That would be depressing for someone in your field and many other
fields. What is your third career choice? Serious re-evaluation time for
many folks.

Health Care sure needs workers, however, not at universities where there
are going to be huge layoffs.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 8:54:05 AM, you wrote:
>
> NM> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>No one is hiring teachers. And it doesn't pay well.
>>>
>
> NM> We're about to start the flurry of on-campus interviews for three
> NM> positions.  So you can't really say that nobody is hiring teachers.
>
> Sorry. No one HERE is hiring teachers--all the districts have
> frozen all their positions.


        You may want to re-check for sub positions.  Most districts
start running low on subs right about now as their lists
dwindles due to people finding jobs, finding out how sucky
substituting is, etc.


> NM> Maybe you meant Japanese teachers.
>
> No.
>
> NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
> NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?
>
> Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
> physically exhausting than teaching.


        I find the opposite to be true -- low paying jobs tend to be
very physically exhausting.




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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:04:24 AM, you wrote:

RC> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:01:14 AM, you wrote:
>> RC>         Yeah, it's totally impossible to get hired as a teacher these
>> RC> days. (??)
>>
>> 1) I thought you were surprised how easily you got hired?
>> 2) Don't forget the $$ you laid out in taking courses to get
>> certified.


RC>         1.  Exactly.

But since all districts have frozen all positions here, I'm not
sure how that would apply?

RC>         2.  Remember, I was hired prior to certification (I was only
RC> officially certified as of this week).

After making a considerable investment.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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bonniev wrote:

>> My dad has a glass eye and I've never seen it leave
>> his head.  For years it was a different shade of blue than
>> his real eye, which was very noticeable when he was angry
>> and always kinda seemed freaky, but he got a new one a few
>> years ago and now his eyeballs match.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> How did he lose his eye in the first place?  How did the teacher?


        I don't know about the teacher -- I think an injury of some sort.

        My dad was in a very bad motorcycle accident in NH when he
was 16.  He lost his eye, some mobility in one of his arms,
etc., and was hospitalized for several months.




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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:06:06 AM, you wrote:
RC>         You may want to re-check for sub positions.  Most districts
RC> start running low on subs right about now as their lists
RC> dwindles due to people finding jobs, finding out how sucky
RC> substituting is, etc.

They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.

>> NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
>> NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?
>>
>> Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
>> physically exhausting than teaching.


RC>         I find the opposite to be true -- low paying jobs tend to be
RC> very physically exhausting.

See above. Teaching *IS* a low-paying physically exhausting job.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:04:24 AM, you wrote:
>
> RC> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:01:14 AM, you wrote:
>>>RC>         Yeah, it's totally impossible to get hired as a teacher these
>>>RC> days. (??)
>>>
>>>1) I thought you were surprised how easily you got hired?
>>>2) Don't forget the $$ you laid out in taking courses to get
>>>certified.
>>>
>
>
> RC>         1.  Exactly.
>
> But since all districts have frozen all positions here, I'm not
> sure how that would apply?


        I wonder why they're all up here recruiting then.


> RC>         2.  Remember, I was hired prior to certification (I was only
> RC> officially certified as of this week).
>
> After making a considerable investment.


        About $6,000.  Of course, in theory, you'd enter several
steps above me, so you'd be making in the high $40's vs. my
low $30's.  I'd be very much on the edge, but I could afford
my house on just my salary. But you don't want to teach, so
that's completely irrelevant.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 2/3/2003 4:07:52 PM Central Standard Time,
stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:


> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:23:36PM -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
> = On Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 6:33, Betty wrote:
> =
> = > How do you feel about pharmacy school?
> =
> = One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
> = requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
> = not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
> = contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
> = couldn't be done by a machine.
> =
> = Is your university actually looking for pharmacists?
> =
> = Tony H.
>
> My dad's a pharmacist, and except for a stint as a VP at Blue
> Cross much earlier in his career, he was for most of the last
> 40 years.  He retired last year, the year before, something
> like that.  He used to work for San Diego County, so he was
> dispensing to the county jail, and county mental health.  Before
> that he worked at the VA hospital for a while.  As I understand
> it, there's some difference in that kind of pharmacy versus being
> a pill dispenser at Walgreen's.
>
> They need to think like university graduates do.  They know more
> about drug interaction than the doctors do.  They need to do
> calculus on the fly to figure dosage.  They need to do the
> logistics of the pharmacy.  They need to know better than
> the ocassionally careless doctors what the proper dose is.
> They need to run the damn database.  That's just off the top of
> my head, and I never really talk much with my dad about work.
>

Yes, all of that and much more.  I count on my druggist
for the real scoop on a drug, not my doctor..  I count on
his help and advice and know it's always up to date.
I count this help as really personal, and it certainly
couldn't be done with a machine.

               - D. M.

                -

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> I saw the movie "The Rock" and hated it. The reason was, I saw it on a three
> inch screen on a plane. Saw on TV and loved it.

And the moral of this story is don't watch movies on planes.  Read.  The
only thing I like watching on planes is the picture of the airplane
moving toward its destination -- something I like more when it's almost
there than earlier, of course.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 04:10:41PM -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
= On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:43:17 +0100, steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:
=
= >= >
= >= > RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
= >= > RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
= >= >
= >= > I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.
= >=
= >=
= >=         Hmm.  Our social studies department head is untenured, which
= >= means he's been teaching less than 5 years.
= >=
= >=
= >
= >Karen has infinite veto, you know.
=
= I really don't understand any of you. Well, I understand Rita, because she
= said that AISD was recruiting there even though they announced they were not
= hiring a few days ago. But I certainly don't understand the rest of you.
= Don't you think I can find a web page on my own? Don't you understand that
= all the answers aren't on the web sites?
=

I'll try to explain myself.

There are at least two behavior patters active here.  The Karen veto and
the others of us who want to help.  You veto in a way that
doesn't end discussion but prolong it, and those of us who want
to help keep trying.

You have really ruled out teaching.  It has nothing to do with
what's on the web.  And yet people got into a discussion about
what was on the web, where there was recruiting, whether what was
on the web was valid, what level you might start at, whether you
might live long enough to be a department head, etc.

You may recall that the last time I got into this kind of loop with you I
ended up going too far and got told off by a bunch of people.  In
essence if you don't want to teach, then you don't want to teach
and no matter what else is going on, you will veto it forever.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 6:07:21 PM, you wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 2/3/2003 1:51:47 PM Central Standard Time,
>>
>> Tushar:T
>>
>> The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good

> This is timely.  I just remembered that this is the anniversary of the
> day the music died.

You cloned with Clyde!

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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At 05:21 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
> > is ... the year your youth ended
>
>I've heard that "Chicago" is good.

Very good.  Excellent even.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:06:06 AM, you wrote:
> RC>         You may want to re-check for sub positions.  Most districts
> RC> start running low on subs right about now as their lists
> RC> dwindles due to people finding jobs, finding out how sucky
> RC> substituting is, etc.
>
> They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.
>
>
>>>NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
>>>NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?
>>>
>>>Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
>>>physically exhausting than teaching.
>>>
>
>
> RC>         I find the opposite to be true -- low paying jobs tend to be
> RC> very physically exhausting.
>
> See above. Teaching *IS* a low-paying physically exhausting job.


        Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
$68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.




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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
> physically exhausting than teaching.

And you've wondered why I've used the word "picky" at times re your job
search.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:01:14 AM, you wrote:
> RC>         Yeah, it's totally impossible to get hired as a teacher these
> RC> days. (??)
>
> 1) I thought you were surprised how easily you got hired?

I thought that was because she hadn't even done her student teaching --
that her being hired for a regular job was unusual for somebody not
through with the <process> yet.

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You did say you'd checked job offerings at U of Texas, right?  I just
did a quick jump to their job-ad pages and saw that they are trying to
fill 68 positions right now outside of teaching jobs.

http://utdirect.utexas.edu/pnjobs/

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 7:13:31 AM, you wrote:
NM> Karen Kay wrote:

>> TS> Look for something with "Karen" and maybe "jobs" in it. She posted
>> TS> the URL, not the article.
>>
>> I did. And I searched for a URL. AND I CAN'T FIND IT.

NM> I do think she mentioned you in it.  Don't remember whether it was in
NM> the subject header or the body.  But she said something like "This
NM> doesn't look good for Karen" or "Info for Karen and Others."

I looked for posts by Rashmi that mentioned my name and didn't
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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 4:33:25 PM, you wrote:
RC> Karen Kay wrote:
RC>         The salaries are higher, so they look more attractive than
RC> Missouri schools -- especially the more rural districts.

AISD isn't at all rural--in fact, I'm too far out of the central
city to be in AISD. Do you mean Texas, in general?

>> RC>         Texas pays better than Missouri, so I assume it would be a
>> RC> little higher.  You'd get credit for university teaching and
>> RC> your degrees, so you wouldn't be coming in at the first step
>> RC> like I did.
>>
>> I checked salaries a while back and none of them were in the
>> 40's unless you had been there for more than 6-8 years. I don't
>> know where in Texas pays better than Missouri, but it's not here.


RC>         Oh, no, I assure you, after looking at Austin's salaries --
RC> much better.

But not in the 40's.

Karen
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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:14:37 AM, you wrote:
RC>         I wonder why they're all up here recruiting then.

AISD is recruiting there???

>> RC>         2.  Remember, I was hired prior to certification (I was only
>> RC> officially certified as of this week).
>>
>> After making a considerable investment.


RC>         About $6,000.  Of course, in theory, you'd enter several
RC> steps above me, so you'd be making in the high $40's vs. my
RC> low $30's.  I'd be very much on the edge, but I could afford
RC> my house on just my salary. But you don't want to teach, so
RC> that's completely irrelevant.

Er, no. I don't the $6,000, so it's irrelevant. High $40's is
what teachers make there.

Karen
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 6:06:27 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:


>
> Speaking of movies on tv, we have discussed before the letterbox thing,
> haven't we?  I'm guessing that y'all just love that style.  I hate it.
> I'm willing to give up whatever is on the perimeter rather than having
> to watch a movie on a skinny strip with black above and below it.  (Yes,
> I realize that there are some tv sets that are shaped that way -- i.e.,
> shaped to accommodate that style.)
>
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

What is the letterbox thing?

I hate watching the skinny strip movies.  I hate that the
new TV's will be shaped that way.

                - D. M.

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"Patron" might be old-fashioned but it's much less impersonal
than "user" or "client". And less crass than "customer". And
less vague than "visitor". Come on, libraries need a euphemism
which dresses up thheir users in a pleasanter garb. It's part
of the concept of a library. If librarians start calling people
clients or customers, pretty soon universities will too.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> What? You're not a Rock Hudson fan?

I was until I found out he was gay.  Nothing against gays, but it did
sort of put a crimp into my lust for him.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 8:03:06 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > What were you cooking that required coffee?
>>
>> Brown bread.

> Sounds disgusting.

Bless your heart.

This was a recipe that Paul recommended.

>   I don't want coffee in my bread.

You wouldn't have known it was there. My guinea pigs liked it.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:16:01 AM, you wrote:

NM> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
>> physically exhausting than teaching.

NM> And you've wondered why I've used the word "picky" at times re your job
NM> search.

Yeah, but you also think I've turned jobs down...

I fail to see how becoming ill and unable to work would be to my
benefit. Perhaps you can explain it to me?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:16:03 AM, you wrote:

RC> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:06:06 AM, you wrote:
>> RC>         You may want to re-check for sub positions.  Most districts
>> RC> start running low on subs right about now as their lists
>> RC> dwindles due to people finding jobs, finding out how sucky
>> RC> substituting is, etc.
>>
>> They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.
>>
>>
>>>>NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
>>>>NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
>>>>physically exhausting than teaching.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> RC>         I find the opposite to be true -- low paying jobs tend to be
>> RC> very physically exhausting.
>>
>> See above. Teaching *IS* a low-paying physically exhausting job.


RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.

I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I fail to see how becoming ill and unable to work would be to my
> benefit. Perhaps you can explain it to me?

Teaching would make you sick?  It sounds to me as if you qualify for
some of the special hiring situations.  I admit that I don't know
anything about them except for having heard vaguely about brownie points
of some kind that companies or institutions get for hiring the disabled.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.

Somebody needs to tell them to remove this from their web site:

***
AISD Employment Opportunities...
      Substitute for All Campuses
 Austin ISD is always in need of substitues for both professional
 and classified positions. Substituting enables you to learn about
 the different schools and to become acquainted with staff
 personnel; this exposure could possibly lead to a permanent
 position with our school district. Substitutes responsibilities
 include but are not limited to the following: carrying out the
 classroom responsibilities for an absent teacher.
***
from:
http://www.austin.isd.tenet.edu/about/hr/search/job_detail_listing.phtml?job_num=0000075


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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>

> ***
> AISD Employment Opportunities...
>       Substitute for All Campuses
>  Austin ISD is always in need of substitues for both professional

And they are trying to fill 28 regular openings right now:
http://www.austin.isd.tenet.edu/about/hr/search/search_by_type.phtml?type=Prof&submit=Submit+Query

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Sounds disgusting.  I don't want coffee in my bread.  The rock-bottom
>>>worst is coffee icecream, of course.
>>>
>>        Both are Yankee treats, of course.
>>
>
> I'm surprised.  I had never thought of coffee implanted into other items
> as Yankee.  I've known plenty of Southerners who liked that kind of
> stuff.  Live and learn.


        Brown bread is also called Boston Brown Bread, and is
traditionally eaten for Friday night supper with beans and
hotdogs.  It is very tasty all steamy warm with
butter...yum.  You can't taste the coffee in it.  Coffee ice
cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Remember a post a few weeks ago where I shared my discovery of a craze that is sweeping the patio grilling world. It is known by various names such as Drunken Chicken or Let The Chicken Do The Drinkin.' In its basic form a beer can half full of beer is stuffed into a chicken's <cavity> and slow cooked in the grill for 2 hours. Safety concerns about paint from the can getting into the chicken meat, along with man's everpresent need to make useful, yet beautiful things, led to the development of the inevitable Texas Chicken Cooker. Hand-welded of stainless steel, it is the pride of the patio griller's art. Mine arrived in the mail today and I share these photos with you so you may partake of my bliss, if not my drunken chicken.

http://tinyurl.com/5asp

-aht

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >Is brewed the same thing as percolated?
>
> Technically, I suppose percolating is a method of brewing. But -
> percolating depends upon the process of boiling, and boiling coffee
> results in what might be called extreme volatile chemical conversions and
> always results in a dreadfully bitter cup of coffee. Never percolate.

Why is it that percolating seemed to be what people did back then?  Or
was it that my seminar was just mutant in using that method?

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>> It may rule - but it is not coffee. Coffee is brewed.
>
>Is brewed the same thing as percolated?

Technically, I suppose percolating is a method of brewing. But -
percolating depends upon the process of boiling, and boiling coffee
results in what might be called extreme volatile chemical conversions and
always results in a dreadfully bitter cup of coffee. Never percolate.

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02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:07:42 PM, you wrote:
> > As for calculus, WTF kinda education did you get?
>
> Don't make me cry, MathGeek!

"Geek"... that's one fantastic comeback... Why the hell
are you crying? I had absolutely no education until 21,
except what came piecemeal from the family. Now 12 years
be up, I still have tons of prejudices left, and vast
gaps.

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=
= RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
= RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
=
= I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.
=
= Karen
= A well-rounded little rabbit

Then you're not going to live those 40 years you seem so worried
about.

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A piece linked from Arts and Letters Daily (http://www.aldaily.com/):


Yearning to be liked
by John Derbyshire

Complete story:

http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/nov02/derby.htm#

<snip>

Well, one day last summer I took a call from my contact-I had done this
often enough that we were on first-name terms-at the Foreign Visitors
Program. They had a major event coming up, he told me. A large group of
Chinese media people, TV producers and the like, were coming over in a
single batch. "The cream of 30-40-year-olds at major Chinese media outlets,"
he gushed. A series of discussion groups and lectures was being arranged.
Would I care to address these people? I said I'd like to see names and
titles. He e-mailed me a list. Scanning it, I was impressed. These were
indeed heavy hitters in Chinese media circles. News Director, Shanghai
Broadcasting Network . Deputy Editor-in-Chief, China Newsweek Magazine .
Editor, International Affairs, Global Times . News Anchor, CCTV. I called
the guy back. Yes, definitely I'd be interested.

In the fullness of time, arrangements were made, a program published. There
would be an event at the State Department's New York City office on 53nd
Street. I would speak for an hour, 10:30 to 11:30, on the subject
"Perceptions of China in America's Right-Wing Press." I would then be the
guest of the Department for lunch. There would be an honorarium of $250! And
the speaker right before me, 9:30 to 10:30, would be Dr. Henry Kissinger.
The date: Tuesday, September 18th.

On the Friday following the September 11th attacks, I got a call from my man
at State. The whole thing was off, he said. Why? I naturally wanted to know.
"I can't tell you, really can't tell you. Anyway, it's off. We've told
Kissinger." Where were the media hotshots? "Gone back, gone back to China,
the whole lot. It's all off."

In the weeks that followed I was able to piece together what had happened.
This, I should say, was from informal sources, whose versions of events did
not always agree in precise detail. All the accounts told the same basic
story, though. The Chinese media types came over on September 8th. They were
in a room together with some State Department minders, receiving some kind
of cultural acclimitization, when the World Trade Center was hit. There was
a TV set in the room, and everyone got to see the second plane hit. When
this happened, some of the Chinese party stood up and cheered. My informants
differ on how many, from a lower bound of "only three or four" up to "at
least half a dozen." (The list of participants I had been given contained
fifteen names.) This made the State Department minders very angry. A
shouting match broke out. A report went up the chain of command. Whether it
went all the way to Colin Powell I am not clear; it certainly went as far as
Richard Armitage, Powell's second-in-command. The Chinese media people flew
back to China shortly afterwards-whether voluntarily or not, my informants
do not agree.

There, in the reactions of those successful, well-educated, middle-class
Chinese people, you see instinctual Third World anti-Americanism unmasked
and unashamed. Where does it come from? What is the cause of it?

<snip>

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Friday the temperature did indeed rise above the freezing point---for the
first time since very early January.  It felt like spring.  Yesterday was
also (relatively) warm and pleasant; for the first time again since very
early January, I could detect that the accumulated snow was
diminishing.  Although I haven't been over that way, it is likely that the
bay on both sides of the causeway and bridge is no longer completely
ice-covered.

Then this morning, we awoke to tree limbs coated with ice and a gentle rain
falling.  Now, the rain and above-freezing temperatures have stripped the
ice from the trees and wires.  According to the forecast, we will be the
lucky recipients of 4-8 inches of snow, plus maybe a little ice that may
form as the present rain changes over to snow.  They keep upping the ante
as to the amount.  We are indeed lucky in a way---interior northern Maine
is supposed to have blizzard conditions and substantially more snow than we
are in for---the technical discussion on the NOAA page is muttering
something about 18 inches there.

I think I liked it better when it was cold.

cwv

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08:59 04.02.2003 +0100 skrev steph:

>We rented on VHS The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.  During the
>cemetery shoot out at the end, only two of them could fit on the
>screen at any given time.
>
>When we got this tv we discussed a lot whether we should get
>widescreen or not.  We noticed that all the wide screen tv's had
>different distortions of a normal tv signal.  I suppose if you
>only had to look at one, you'd get used to it.

Our not so large (24") Sony TV is 3 1/2 years old. But it has a widescreen <feature>: it can accept the widescreen signal and show it in its own letterbox place on screen. This is <good> when we are watching DVDs which can be set up for eithe widescreen or standard TVs since we won't lose what is happening on the edges. So yes, if the original movie has widescreen format then I am in favor of letterboxing.

Espen

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 8:43:01 AM, you wrote:
>>From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
>>However, our soon-to-be colleagues over at the public library apparently
>>have been indoctrinated to call them customers.

> Oh, that's the worst!

Why? That's what my library is moving towards.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>
>
>
>>It's unbelievable. Tina and I are sitting here stunned.
>>
>>
>
>It's horrible, sad, etc. etc., but I don't really see how you can find
>it "unbelievable."  Nor is it the first time we've lost a space shuttle
>and its crew.  And it probably won't be the last time.  That line of
>work is not without risk.
>
>NB: This doesn't mean I'm finding the news ho-hum.  I don't find it
>unbelievable, however.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
When I said unbelievable I didn't mean that it wasn't possible and I
question on something like this could have happened. For me, it's
unbelievable in that even though I was sitting there looking at the tv,
seeing it unfold and looking at the various shots of the debris as
proof, it seemed surreal, as if it didn't really happen.

Today I was thinking about how few accidents actually occur given the
number of launches we've had. Given the static Peter shared with us, the
one about there being 800 parts that could fail causing certain death, I
think our space program has a fantastic track record.

lisa

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>butter...yum.  You can't taste the coffee in it.  Coffee ice
>cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
>associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.

Interesting. I have only heard the term cabinet refer to a milkshake.

Bethany

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In a message dated 2/2/2003 8:27:04 AM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:


> Sounds as if your day was nice though, Doris.  How many more days?
>
> Betty
>

Four.

   - D. M

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Thanks Natalie and Elaine!  I have never heard that a Cabinet
had to be a particular flavor.  It is a blended mixture  of
ice cream, milk and flavored syrup and is associated, in my mind,
with Rhode Island. To further confuse the issue, here in northeastern
Mass. the drink is called a frappe.

Rita L.

> Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> Date:
> Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:01:31 -0600
>
>
> Elaine M Brennan wrote:
>
>>At 09:12 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, Rita wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Coffee ice
>>>cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
>>>associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.
>>
>>When I was living in Rhode Island, a "cabinet" was what you ordered when
>>you wanted what I'd call a "milk shake" in most parts of the country --
>>i.e., it included ice cream, which might or might not be coffee-flavored.
>
>
> That's always been my understanding of what a cabinet was in RI (or at
> least "always" in the sense of however long it's been since I first
> heard of that kind of cabinet).
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


--
----------------------
Rita Leonard
Information Technology Systems Services
O'Neill Library 544
Phone:  617-552-3403
Email: rita.leonard@bc.edu

"Whether you believe you can do a thing
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>I think I liked it better when it was cold.


>cwv

I am absolutely certain that I did not.

Current local temperature: 60F.

AS, off to enjoy it while it lasts

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:14:37 AM, you wrote:
> RC>         I wonder why they're all up here recruiting then.
>
> AISD is recruiting there???


        Yup.  They come to all the UMSL job fairs.


>
>>>RC>         2.  Remember, I was hired prior to certification (I was only
>>>RC> officially certified as of this week).
>>>
>>>After making a considerable investment.
>>>
>
>
> RC>         About $6,000.  Of course, in theory, you'd enter several
> RC> steps above me, so you'd be making in the high $40's vs. my
> RC> low $30's.  I'd be very much on the edge, but I could afford
> RC> my house on just my salary. But you don't want to teach, so
> RC> that's completely irrelevant.
>
> Er, no. I don't the $6,000, so it's irrelevant. High $40's is
> what teachers make there.


        Texas pays better than Missouri, so I assume it would be a
little higher.  You'd get credit for university teaching and
your degrees, so you wouldn't be coming in at the first step
like I did.



--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:16:03 AM, you wrote:
>
> RC> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:06:06 AM, you wrote:
>>>RC>         You may want to re-check for sub positions.  Most districts
>>>RC> start running low on subs right about now as their lists
>>>RC> dwindles due to people finding jobs, finding out how sucky
>>>RC> substituting is, etc.
>>>
>>>They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
>>>>>NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
>>>>>physically exhausting than teaching.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>RC>         I find the opposite to be true -- low paying jobs tend to be
>>>RC> very physically exhausting.
>>>
>>>See above. Teaching *IS* a low-paying physically exhausting job.
>>>
>
>
> RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
> RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
>
> I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.


        Hmm.  Our social studies department head is untenured, which
means he's been teaching less than 5 years.



--
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Ooh - just thought of another one.  When I worked on the loading dock in a
department store, we were often in on practical jokes that the display staff were up
to.  One time they took two of the store dummies and arranged them in a sexual
pose on the store manager's desk.  He pretended to be very upset about it but was
clearly amused.



> I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> fatal to either party.
>
> Karen
> A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 01:16 PM 2/2/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>In a message dated 2/2/2003 8:27:04 AM Central Standard Time,
>bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
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> > Sounds as if your day was nice though, Doris.  How many more days?
> >
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> >
>
>Four.

It hasn't warmed up in Nebraska yet.  You better stay.

Betty

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Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?

Espen

10:29 04.02.2003 -0500 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
>Substituting salt for sugar in the break room?
>
>
>
>
>> I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
>> fatal to either party.
>>
>> Karen
>> A well-rounded little rabbit

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I'm unclear on the meaning and sounding of "ayeh". It's apparently a
Clyde-ism. See below.

>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>At 09:29 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, marie wrote:
>
>>Leave it to Texas to try and steal the idea, make it their own, and get it
>>all wrong.
>
>ayeh.

_______________________________________
Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:45:28 -0500
jdh:
>Lessee, that would have been one of those intensive work/study programs
>under which you evaluated the rice-growing properties of certain soils?

ayeh.
________________________________________
Date:         Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:57:53 -0500
ndh:
>Probably.  I wonder if they've missed any signs lately.

Ayeh.  They've missed a good many in the past eight yeahhs...

cwv
_________________________________________
Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:53:06 -0500
>Billy Packer was the color guy, by the way, and I almost didn't recognize
>him.
>The fellow has aged.  Guess it happens to everyone.

Ayeh.  Billy must be getting a bit long in the tooth.
__________________________________________
Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:08:41 -0500
>Toss 'em. Even if you do get them open, they don't taste right.
>
>Janet

ayeh---just like clams.

cwv
___________________________________________
Date:         Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:21:45 -0500
>Trivia contribution  of the day: Many of the American Indian who lived in
>your neck of the woods referred to February as the Moon of the hard snow.

Ayeh.  Bonnie will again this late February go aurora-chasing in
northeastern Wisconsin.
____________________________________________
Date:         Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:41:45 -0500
>Bill's downtown Washington office is also a cost to the public purse, but
>it's probably a good thing that he's going to be close enough to the White
>House to pitch in every once in a while.

Ayeh---that's what I'm waiting for.

cwv
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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:58:18 AM, you wrote:

> 09:45 04.02.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>>Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:37 AM, you wrote:
>>> Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?
>>
>>How do you even do this?

> azerty

> For Windows 2000: change the regional setup for languages and keyboard.

> Espen

Hm. I have XP. I don't see where to do this in the regional
setup.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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> >>If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you
> > >would have told the crew?       --BrP
> >
> > You misphrase the ethical question.  I
> >  --bonniev
>
>How would you phrase it?
>BrP

"What would be ethical thing to do for the person with that knowledge?"


    --bonniev

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= >
= > RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
= > RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
= >
= > I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.
=
=
=         Hmm.  Our social studies department head is untenured, which
= means he's been teaching less than 5 years.
=
=

Karen has infinite veto, you know.

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I always liked subbing sugar for Borax in the soap dispenser.


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> Substituting salt for sugar in the break room?
>
>
>
>
> > I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> > fatal to either party.
> >
> > Karen
> > A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 06:50 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:

>>>>>        It interrupted Ana's cartoons.  I've been up since six
>>>>>grading Mockingbird tests.  She's creating a book about it
>>>>>right now -- pictures of what's on TV and pages with the
>>>>>most repeated phrases.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please post it when she is done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        I don't have a scanner.
>>
>>
>>Post her words that she says are the most repeated phrases. Take a photo of
>>the drawings.
>
>
>        OK, here:  http://www.etext.org/~rita/columbia.html
>
>        Spelling is still creative at this point.  You'll have to
>"sound it out" :).

Thanks!

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:35:26 AM, you wrote:
NM> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I fail to see how becoming ill and unable to work would be to my
>> benefit. Perhaps you can explain it to me?

NM> Teaching would make you sick?

Probably.

NM>   It sounds to me as if you qualify for
NM> some of the special hiring situations.

Nope.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:43:36 AM, you wrote:

NM> Karen Kay wrote:

>> They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.

NM> Somebody needs to tell them to remove this from their web site:

Then they'd have to update it.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 09:43 AM 2/4/2003 -0500,  Br Paul wrote:

>Back from a long weekend in Toronto.  Steve had a very sweet surprise for
>me - we
>stayed at the Royal York Hotel - 10th floor, looking out at the lake - it
>was elegant
>and romantic.

Since I keep picturing what the Royal York is going to look like come the
end of August, with the next worldcon there, it's nice to be reminded that
it can be elegant and romantic, too ....

of course, the last time I was there and waiting to check in, the woman in
line behind me had a live chick in her purse (it was being quite vocal at
the time), and was wondering if the hotel was going to have a problem with
this .... since it's reputed to have had a large troupe of horses in the
lobby on more than one occasion, we presumed that perhaps the staff would
be able to cope with one small chicken.

--Elaine

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:45:07 AM, you wrote:

NM> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>

>> ***
>> AISD Employment Opportunities...
>>       Substitute for All Campuses
>>  Austin ISD is always in need of substitues for both professional

NM> And they are trying to fill 28 regular openings right now:
NM> http://www.austin.isd.tenet.edu/about/hr/search/search_by_type.phtml?type=Prof&submit=Submit+Query

Natalie, I hate to break it to you, but the web is Not Always
Right.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 11:15:10 AM, you wrote:

s> =
= RC>>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
= RC>> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
s> =
s> = I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.
s> =
s> = Karen
s> = A well-rounded little rabbit

s> Then you're not going to live those 40 years you seem so worried
s> about.

Huh? I hope not to be working for 40 more years. Living is not
the same thing as working.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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> I finally got this, I think. Put a rubber band around the handle
> so the sprayer was on when the faucet came on.

Yes, that's exactly it. Everyone always turns on the faucet full-pressure.

Poor Veerle was NOT amused.

--Adam
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> >> > gaps.
> >>
> >> Welcome to life, Exam Boy.
>
> > Who made you hostess?
>
> I think My Evil Twin did.
>
> Karen
> She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
> he throws  up.

Hey!


BrP

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Oh thank you.  That's evil because it's so subtle.

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 04:36:37PM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
= Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?
=
= Espen
=
= 10:29 04.02.2003 -0500 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
= >Substituting salt for sugar in the break room?
= >
= >
= >
= >
= >> I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
= >> fatal to either party.
= >>
= >> Karen
= >> A well-rounded little rabbit

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>I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
>fatal to either party.

Maybe sprinkle chocolate jimmies on mouse pads?

/Jim

>
>Karen
>A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 12:28:14 PM, you wrote:

RC> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:14:37 AM, you wrote:
>> RC>         I wonder why they're all up here recruiting then.
>>
>> AISD is recruiting there???


RC>         Yup.  They come to all the UMSL job fairs.

That is very interesting and quite bizarre.

RC>         Texas pays better than Missouri, so I assume it would be a
RC> little higher.  You'd get credit for university teaching and
RC> your degrees, so you wouldn't be coming in at the first step
RC> like I did.

I checked salaries a while back and none of them were in the
40's unless you had been there for more than 6-8 years. I don't
know where in Texas pays better than Missouri, but it's not here.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 05:18 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
>and this group of high school friends I partied with Halloween is now
>talking about maybe a party the weekend of the end of my spring break.
>Worrying that Furrbabies is going to get booked up soon, I went on today
>and called and made a reservation for Spencer to arrive Sat., March 8,
>and depart Sunday, March 16.  What I'm thinking I might do is a Grand
>Tour of Mississippi that week, with a tiny bit of Louisiana tossed in.
>I could go down to Smith County and check libraries and cemeteries for
>Swittenbergs, then down to Bay St. Louis to see whether I want to move
>there, then up to Vicksburg and across the river to Lake Bruin to see
>whether it still looks like it did in my youth, then to Jackson for the
>possible party.  Even if the party doesn't happen, it would be nice to
>be in Jackson for a day or so.  If I got there on a weekday, I could go
>to the cemetery office and see whether they have records to show me
>where Marshall Maynor and Susannah Swittenberg Maynor are buried.  And I
>could make sure that Mama's death date was properly carved into the
>stone.

These kind of trips are fun, too.  Turn up the music and toss your empties
out the window!

Betty

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 12:28:50 PM, you wrote:

RC> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:16:03 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> RC> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:06:06 AM, you wrote:
>>>>RC>         You may want to re-check for sub positions.  Most districts
>>>>RC> start running low on subs right about now as their lists
>>>>RC> dwindles due to people finding jobs, finding out how sucky
>>>>RC> substituting is, etc.
>>>>
>>>>They aren't hiring anyone, even for subbing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>NM>   As for not paying well, you're right
>>>>>>NM> of course.  But isn't some pay better than no pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, but for 'some pay', I should be able to find something less
>>>>>>physically exhausting than teaching.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>RC>         I find the opposite to be true -- low paying jobs tend to be
>>>>RC> very physically exhausting.
>>>>
>>>>See above. Teaching *IS* a low-paying physically exhausting job.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
>> RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
>>
>> I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.


RC>         Hmm.  Our social studies department head is untenured, which
RC> means he's been teaching less than 5 years.

Then maybe I will! Why is he dept head?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:43:17 +0100, steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:

>= >
>= > RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
>= > RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
>= >
>= > I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.
>=
>=
>=         Hmm.  Our social studies department head is untenured, which
>= means he's been teaching less than 5 years.
>=
>=
>
>Karen has infinite veto, you know.

I really don't understand any of you. Well, I understand Rita, because she
said that AISD was recruiting there even though they announced they were not
hiring a few days ago. But I certainly don't understand the rest of you.
Don't you think I can find a web page on my own? Don't you understand that
all the answers aren't on the web sites?

And for Rita:
http://www.austin.isd.tenet.edu/about/hr/teacher/Salary-p6.phtml provides
the salary schedule for AISD.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:43:17 +0100, steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:
>
>
>>= >
>>= > RC>         Only in the beginning.  My department head makes
>>= > RC> $68,000/year.  That's hardly low-paying.
>>= >
>>= > I'm not going to live long enough to become a department head.
>>=
>>=
>>=         Hmm.  Our social studies department head is untenured, which
>>= means he's been teaching less than 5 years.
>>=
>>=
>>
>>Karen has infinite veto, you know.
>>
>
> I really don't understand any of you. Well, I understand Rita, because she
> said that AISD was recruiting there even though they announced they were not
> hiring a few days ago. But I certainly don't understand the rest of you.
> Don't you think I can find a web page on my own? Don't you understand that
> all the answers aren't on the web sites?
>
> And for Rita:
> http://www.austin.isd.tenet.edu/about/hr/teacher/Salary-p6.phtml provides
> the salary schedule for AISD.


        I'm assuming you go in at the max allowed transfer steps
because of your university teaching experience.

        In any case, I'm sure you'll find a job before you're out on
the street.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Karen Kay wrote:


>
> Then maybe I will! Why is he dept head?
>


        I don't know, but it's a young department, and I assume he's
the only one has a master's.  My department has more age
variation.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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=
= God, it is cold.
=
= alyce

I love to hear you complain.

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:44:49 PM, you wrote:
TS> K-R-N--

TS> Go the hell to sleep ...

Without dinner? How Dickensian!

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 09:26 AM 2/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
>fatal to either party.

Send them to central supply to pick up a couple of fallopian tubes.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 12:28:14 PM, you wrote:
>
> RC> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>Sunday, February 2, 2003, 10:14:37 AM, you wrote:
>>>RC>         I wonder why they're all up here recruiting then.
>>>
>>>AISD is recruiting there???
>>>
>
>
> RC>         Yup.  They come to all the UMSL job fairs.
>
> That is very interesting and quite bizarre.


        The salaries are higher, so they look more attractive than
Missouri schools -- especially the more rural districts.


> RC>         Texas pays better than Missouri, so I assume it would be a
> RC> little higher.  You'd get credit for university teaching and
> RC> your degrees, so you wouldn't be coming in at the first step
> RC> like I did.
>
> I checked salaries a while back and none of them were in the
> 40's unless you had been there for more than 6-8 years. I don't
> know where in Texas pays better than Missouri, but it's not here.


        Oh, no, I assure you, after looking at Austin's salaries --
much better.




--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> NM> And they are trying to fill 28 regular openings right now:
> NM> http://www.austin.isd.tenet.edu/about/hr/search/search_by_type.phtml?type=Prof&submit=Submit+Query
>
> Natalie, I hate to break it to you, but the web is Not Always
> Right.

And this from you??  Well, perhaps they could be sued for false
advertising, and you could live on the lawsuit money for a while.
You're sure that those jobs they claim to be trying to fill aren't
real?  Hire Bethany and sue them.

--
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Don't have time to look at it, but... a 4.9MB downloadable video, "Switch to
> Canada," parodying the Apple switch ads.
>
> http://bantha.cjb.net/

    And it gets the crap fisked out of it at;

    http://www.bondwine.com/gulag/archives/000053.html

JMW

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Karen Kay wrote:

> NM> Somebody needs to tell them to remove this from their web site:
>
> Then they'd have to update it.

It's true that the most recent of the current positions they're trying
to fill was put onto their web page in the past -- Jan. 30, I think it
was.  I don't know that they've updated their job pages since then, and
that was a long time ago -- three whole days.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I really don't understand any of you. Well, I understand Rita, because she
> said that AISD was recruiting there even though they announced they were not
> hiring a few days ago. But I certainly don't understand the rest of you.

I don't know that Rita said that they'd been recruiting there in the
past few days.  But this isn't the first time you've said they weren't
hiring.  You've said it in the past also.

> Don't you think I can find a web page on my own? Don't you understand that
> all the answers aren't on the web sites?

I understand that all the answers aren't on web sites.  But I don't
understand why the AISD would have been bothering to update the webpage
regularly with jobs they're trying to fill if they aren't really trying
to fill the jobs.  If the web site didn't list dates for when the
positions were first advertised, I would guess maybe it was way out of
date.  But I don't consider anything in 2003 exactly ancient history and
certainly not Jan. 30, 2003.

My point is not that you should apply for one of those jobs or for
substituting.  You've made clear that your fragility won't allow hard
work and that you require higher pay.  My point is simply to wonder why
you are saying that they aren't hiring when they seem to be saying that
they are hiring.

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 4:30:04 PM, you wrote:
RC>         In any case, I'm sure you'll find a job before you're out on
RC> the street.

I like what I'm doing--if I can keep doing it.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Terry Wild wrote:

> --On Tuesday, February 04, 2003, 9:58 AM -0500 Marie Ascher
> <lounge_ascher@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>>
>>>>liked it).  I thought a cabinet was a milkshake.
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Made with coffee ice cream.
>>>
>>Is it possible that you are confusing a cabinet with "coffee milk" -- the
>>Rhode Island state beverage.
>>
>>Marie
>>
>>
>
>
> As a native RIer, coffee milk is milk with coffee syrup added, a cabinet is
> a thick milk shake of whatever flavor.  If coffee flavored is desired, it
> is a coffee cabinet.  I'm not sure how widespread the word is still used.
> I haven't seen it in a long time, and I refer to the drink usually as a
> milkshake.


        I have only ever seen a cabinet in coffee (or possibly
vanilla) flavor.  Any other sort of milk shake is a frappe.
  It is quite possible that this is a southeastern MA usage.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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George and his speech writers worked hard. A good speech, although a little
too religious for me.

alec




'Our nation shares in your sorrow'

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Bush's remarks at memorial for shuttle crew

HOUSTON, Feb. 4 - Their mission was almost complete, and we lost them so
close to home. The men and women of the Columbia had journeyed more than 6
million miles and were minutes away from arrival and reunion. The lost was
sudden and terrible, and for their families the grief is heavy.
       Our nation shares in your sorrow and in your pride.
       We remember not only one moment of tragedy, but seven lives of great
purpose and achievement.
       To leave behind Earth and air and gravity is an ancient dream of
humanity. For these seven it was a dream fulfilled. Each of these astronauts
had the daring and discipline required of their calling.
       Each of them knew that great endeavors are inseparable from great
risks. And each of them accepted those risks willingly, even joyfully, in
the cause of discovery.
       Rick Husband was a boy of 4 when he first thought of being an
astronaut. As a man and having become an astronaut, he found it was even
more important to love his family and serve his Lord.
       One of Rick's favorite hymns was "How Great Thou Art," which offers
these words of praise: "I see the stars. I hear the mighty thunder. Thy
power throughout the universe displayed."
       David Brown was first drawn to the stars as a little boy with a
telescope in his backyard. He admired astronauts, but as he said, "I thought
they were movie stars. I thought I was kind of a normal kid."
       David grew up to be a physician, an aviator who could land on the
deck of a carrier in the middle of the night and a shuttle astronaut.
       His brother asked him several weeks ago what would happen if
something went wrong on their mission? David replied, "This program will go
on."
       Michael Anderson always wanted to fly planes and rose to the rank of
lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. Along the way, he became a role model,
especially for his two daughters and for the many children he spoke to in
schools.
       He said to them, "Whatever you want to be in life, you're training
for it now." He also told his minister, "If this think doesn't come out
right, don't worry about me, I'm just going on higher."
       Laurel Salton Clark was a physician and a flight surgeon who loved
adventure, loved her work, loved her husband and her son. A friend who heard
Laurel speaking to mission control said, "There was a smile in her voice."
       Laurel conducted some of the experiments as Columbia orbited the
Earth and described seeing new life emerge from a tiny cocoon.
       "Life," she said, "continues in a lot of places, and life is a
magical thing."
       None of our astronauts traveled a longer path to space than Kalpana
Chawla. She left India as a student, but she would see the nation of her
birth, all of it, from hundreds of miles above.
       When the sad news reached her hometown, an administrator at her high
school recalled, "She always said she wanted to reach the stars." She went
there and beyond.
       Kalpana's native country mourns her today, and so does her adopted
land.
       Ilan Ramon also flew above his home, the land of Israel. He said,
"The quiet that envelops space makes the beauty even more powerful, and I
only hope that the quiet can one day spread to my country."
       Ilan was a patriot, the devoted son of a Holocaust survivor, served
his country in two wars.
       "Ilan," said his wife, Rona, "left us at his peak moment, in his
favorite place, with people he loved."
       The Columbia's pilot was Commander Willy McCool, whom friends knew as
the most steady and dependable of men. In Lubbock today, they're thinking
back to the Eagle Scout who became a distinguished naval officer and a
fearless test pilot.
       One friend remembers Willy this way: "He was blessed, and we were
blessed to know him."
       Our whole nation was blessed to have such men and women serving in
our space program. Their loss is deeply felt, especially in this place where
so many of you called them friends.
       The people in NASA are being tested once again. In your grief, you
are responding as your friends would have wished, with focus,
professionalism and unbroken faith in the mission of this agency.
       Captain Brown was correct: America's space program will go on.
       This cause of exploration and discovery is not an option we choose;
it is a desire written in the human heart. We are that part of creation
which seeks to understand all creation. We find the best among us, send them
forth into unmapped darkness and pray they will return.
       They go in peace for all mankind, and all mankind is in their debt.
       Yet, some explorers do not return, and the law settles unfairly on a
few.
       The families here today shared in the courage of those they loved,
but now they must face life and grief without them. The sorrow is lonely,
but you are not alone.
       In time, you will find comfort and the grace to see you through. And
in God's own time, we can pray that the day of your reunion will come.
       And to the children who miss your mom or dad so much today, you need
to know, they love you, and that love will always be with you.
       They were proud of you, and you can be proud of them for the rest of
your life.
       The final days of their own lives were spent looking down upon this
Earth, and now, on every continent, in every land they can see, the names of
these astronauts is known and remembered.
       They will always have an honored place in the memory of this country,
and today, I offer the respect and gratitude of the people of the United
States.
       May God bless you all.

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I am happy to have you back, Alyce.



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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 02/03/2003 4:11:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         I wouldn't classify any of these shows as good.  Most of them
> I consider awful.
>
>
>
> So what shows do you consider to be good ones?


        Not too many.  Nothing really holds my interest these days.
CSI might be the only thing I can stand to watch for the
entire hour.  The Simpsons.




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Karen Kay wrote:
> >>However, our soon-to-be colleagues over at the public library apparently
> >>have been indoctrinated to call them customers.
>
> > Oh, that's the worst!
>
> Why? That's what my library is moving towards.

I don't think "customer" sounds at all right for a library.  I guess if
a library charges people, it might work.  But for ordinary libraries
that allow free borrowing of books and free use of non-circulating
stuff, I think "customer" sounds way weird.  For some reason it sounds
odder to me than "client."  I think "user" works.  Is the problem with
"user" that it suggests taking drugs or something?
...
The United Airlines telemarketer who called me in the middle of that
last sentence was a nice man.  He apologized in a sincere-sounding tone
when I responded to his "because you're a valued customer of United" by
telling him that I was not at all a valued customer of United -- that
afaik United doesn't fly anywhere in my state and that I'm very happy
with my Northwest visa card (he was promoting United visa cards).
Anyway, he was a rather pleasant Yankee.

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Welcome back!

alyce cresap wrote:

> steph wrote:
> >
> > I love to hear you complain.
>
> OK. I aim to please. It is still cold. I feel as if I will never get
> warm. It will take a few hours to get the house warm

I hope you'll get warm then. Several -- many! -- hot-water bottles in bed
would do good, I guess. Only I do not know whether anybody uses these
nowadays. Somehow electrical ones always seemed less cosy to me. And I
myself have neither of them.

Kristin

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 5:13:45 PM, you wrote:

NM> Karen Kay wrote:
NM> But this isn't the first time you've said they weren't
NM> hiring.  You've said it in the past also.

I said they weren't hiring subs in the past. I said this right
after I investigated it.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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bonniev wrote:

> Clyde and I stayed there one year during an American Fisheries Society
> meeting.   It was years ago.  All I remember is that it had a very nice bar
> with very expensive Scotch.   It was on that trip, in Toronto, that I
> bought my first pair of Birkenstocks.

How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
first Birkenstocks.  I bought my first in Chicago at a store named "Take
a Walk" on or near Clarke Street -- general vicinity of Lawrence of
Oregano, part of the Lettuce Entertain You chain, in July 1980.  That
was a fun summer.

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02003-02-02 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> There, in the reactions of those successful, well-educated, middle-class
> Chinese people,

And yet unbelievably stupid ...

> you see instinctual Third World anti-Americanism unmasked
> and unashamed. Where does it come from? What is the cause of it?

Must be the jealousy of our freedoms.

Thanks for the interesting discussion.

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 5:38:31 PM, you wrote:
TS> I know that ... (It's the fowler monkeys who were accusing you of

Fowler monkeys?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 5:50:36 PM, you wrote:
TS> Thanks for the interesting discussion.

Don't forget! Tomorrow is bean-throwing day! Fuku wa uchi!!!!

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Don't forget! Tomorrow is bean-throwing day! Fuku wa uchi!!!!

I've got my beans already set out.  Actually, though, it's already
time.  It's Feb. 3 in Japan.  I will wait until our tomorrow to throw
them, though.

And I'm surprised that nobody has said anything about the groundhog
today.  I am feeling depressed because today was a beautiful, sunny day
here -- so beautiful that I hated cooping myself up in the Starkville
Community Theatre in a way, though I did enjoy the play and the talking
to people before and after and at intermission.  Still, though, I love
this time of year.  I think my favorite day in Japan was Bean-Throwing
Day 1998.  It helped that after an exceptionally snowy January the
weather was nice that day.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-02-04 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> If I may say so, the emphasis on religion connected with this sad event
> was way over the top and I found it offensive. Not just George's speech,
> but the entire CNN and other network coverage, showing each person's
> church service all day Sunday, etc., etc.

Welcome back!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 5:13:21 PM, you wrote:
>
>>I'm looking for a good, classic work of fiction about
>>Vietnam that would be suitable for a 14-year-old.  Any
>>suggestions?  I don't read war novels, so I'm not sure where
>>to start.
>>
>
> Did you look at Tim O'Brien? I have no idea what is suitable for
> a 14-year-old, though.
>


        I thought Tim O'Brien might be a little too heavy for a kid.
  My husband suggested Hamburger Hill.




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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Canadian proscuitto is half the price of proscuitto from Parma and worth it. Eating it is like remembering something pleasurable. I cannot wait until HEB gets that darned Central Market open in McAllen so I can get the real thing again without paying food boutique prices.

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> Fowler monkeys?
>
> Karen
> A well-rounded little rabbit

Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.  Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of
Fowler.

Ann
A well-rounded medium-sized Fowler Monkey

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 5:50:36 PM, you wrote:
> TS> Thanks for the interesting discussion.
>
> Don't forget! Tomorrow is bean-throwing day! Fuku wa uchi!!!!
>


        Oooh!  I don't have any soybeans.  I hope one of my students
remembers to bring some.




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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:18:48 PM, you wrote:
>> Fowler monkeys?
>>
>> Karen
>> A well-rounded little rabbit

AB> Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.  Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of
AB> Fowler.

I wasn't sure if he was being clever or not. Thanks for
reassuring me.

AB> Ann
AB> A well-rounded medium-sized Fowler Monkey

:)

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:17:05 PM, you wrote:
RC>         Oooh!  I don't have any soybeans.  I hope one of my students
RC> remembers to bring some.

Are your students into soybeans? And Japanese holidays? (I don't
actually think the kind of bean is important--it's not like
Japanese soybeans aren't grown in Iowa anyway.)

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:17:05 PM, you wrote:
> RC>         Oooh!  I don't have any soybeans.  I hope one of my students
> RC> remembers to bring some.
>
> Are your students into soybeans? And Japanese holidays? (I don't
> actually think the kind of bean is important--it's not like
> Japanese soybeans aren't grown in Iowa anyway.)


        My students who take Japanese are.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rumor of War, Philip Caputo.

Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com





>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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>Subject: IMFTATL:  Vietnam Books
>Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:13:21 -0600
>
>I'm looking for a good, classic work of fiction about
>Vietnam that would be suitable for a 14-year-old.  Any
>suggestions?  I don't read war novels, so I'm not sure where
>to start.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 07:18 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>        I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
>>>housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
>>>the turkey frier.
>>
>>Local inquiries have led me to believe that this beer-can-in-the-chicken
>>thing is not at all new.  Nobody mentioned explosions or housefires.
>
>
>        It sounds like some sort of kinky chicken gang bang to me.
>
>        I did see drunken noodles on the menu of our favorite Thai
>restaurant recently, but didn't order it (I did smile, though).

I saw prick something today on our Thai menu.

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At 07:44 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-02-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > > I HATE everything that stands for this "offbeat casual" style.
> > > Especially the names, and especially "R J Grunts".
> >
> > I knew some people who wouldn't go to Lawrence of Oregano because of its
> > name.  I agreed that the name was corny, but I found the food great.  It
> > was one of my favorite places.
>
>That's very enlightened! I wouldn't go unless they had artichokes
>savagely torn asunder and stuffed with crabmeat or something ...


That sounds exquisite!

Betty

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At 04:18 PM 2/2/2003 -0800, ann wrote:
> > Fowler monkeys?
> >
> > Karen
> > A well-rounded little rabbit
>
>Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.  Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of
>Fowler.

That's OK (and the essay, perhaps was directed to Marie, not Karen), I
despise Tushar.

cwv

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:28:53 PM, you wrote:

RC> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:17:05 PM, you wrote:
>> RC>         Oooh!  I don't have any soybeans.  I hope one of my students
>> RC> remembers to bring some.
>>
>> Are your students into soybeans? And Japanese holidays? (I don't
>> actually think the kind of bean is important--it's not like
>> Japanese soybeans aren't grown in Iowa anyway.)


RC>         My students who take Japanese are.

Cool. I forget that high schools have started offering it.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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> > I bought mine in 1974.
>
>Oh dear.  I'm definitely out of the running.  Bonniemae?  Others?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'll have to do some research to figure it out.  I have no idea off the top
of my head.


    --bonniev

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> >Local inquiries have led me to believe that this beer-can-in-the-chicken
> >thing is not at all new
>
> It's not. Do you think -abht was on the culinary cutting edge?

I know of no reason to assume she isn't.

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02003-02-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > Fowler monkeys?
> >
> > Karen
> > A well-rounded little rabbit
>
> Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.

That is a nonsense, Madam. Why should anybody despise Fowler?
However, fowler monkey has a good sound to it, it captures the
noise this type of person makes. Also, it is a generalized insult.
Fowler monkeys have nerdy overrefined aesthetics with no juice.
That's not because they have more discerning taste--it's because
they are confused nerds. They shy from flamboyance and rumors are
they never pause at the ends of lines and rid their dialogue like
a rough colt. They worship, and frequently quote verbatim, about
33 different haranguing books which are "eminently sensible" and
written by other nerds with "passionate sanity". They are almost
always boomerScum. One brays in their general diretion ...

> Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of Fowler.

It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...

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02003-02-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:18:48 PM, you wrote:
> >> Fowler monkeys?
> >>
> >> Karen
> >> A well-rounded little rabbit
>
> AB> Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.  Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of
> AB> Fowler.
>
> I wasn't sure if he was being clever or not. Thanks for
> reassuring me.
>
> AB> Ann
> AB> A well-rounded medium-sized Fowler Monkey
>
> :)

K-R-N--

Go the hell to sleep ...

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bonniev wrote:
> >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
> >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Looks like it might have been 1988.

Ok, the rankings so far are these:

1. Karen 1974
2. Natalie 1980
3. Bonniemae 1988

Surely others will check in.

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As a cat gets older he needs food that is more appropriate to his age. That
might be a cause.

If he is fluffy this is the time of year they begin to shed their winter
coats, and yes, they do a lot of that shedding by grooming themselves with
their tongue. The hairball comes up, cat goes about his business. Fluffy Sam
has been coughing up hairballs a lot more now that he's over 10 years old.
Hairballs don't have anything to do with sickness or the kind of food they
eat.

-a


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> IMFTATL for a friend: 12-year old cat who's started throwing up barely
> digested food.  He's fluffy and gets hairballs -- could the throwing up be
> because of a hairball?
>
> Pete
>

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Anne Toal wrote:

> That was uncalled-for, Clyde. If you have a shred of decency you will
> apologize to Natalie.

ROFL!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Are your students into soybeans? And Japanese holidays? (I don't
> actually think the kind of bean is important--it's not like
> Japanese soybeans aren't grown in Iowa anyway.)

The beans thrown in Japan aren't all the same.  I'm not sure they were
all soybeans.  I know they were of varying sizes and appearances and
taste.  I didn't care which kind I caught, and I did eat the requisite
54 caught beans that day, happy that Setsuban was in early February
rather than late March so that I didn't have to eat 55.  But I could've
downed another one if necessary.  I would happily down 59 beans if I
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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:43:49 PM, you wrote:
TS> However, fowler monkey has a good sound to it, it captures the
TS> noise this type of person makes. Also, it is a generalized insult.
TS> Fowler monkeys have nerdy overrefined aesthetics with no juice.

Too much juice--they slobber.
TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...

So this was a typo like I thought...

Karen
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02003-02-04 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >I am neither student nor faculty, and I don't like the word "user".
> >What's a library user?
>
> Duh. Someone who uses the library.

To paint graffiti on? ExCUSE me!

> >Because I used "negative" words like euphemism to describe it? It's
> >important in many situations to use archaic euphemisms.
>
> Why? For whom?

To distinguish. You have to police people's thinking about the
library--that it is a distinguished place, different from say
a laundromat. Words are well known as good policing weapons...
Of course, you may say that a library is not a distinguished
place--in which case a librarian's job will be to attain
profitability goals, arbitrary "user satisfaction" criteria
etc... And decor of the proposed coffee shop may become the
hottest point of debate.

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02003-02-02 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 04:18 PM 2/2/2003 -0800, ann wrote:
> >> Fowler monkeys?
> >>
> >> Karen
> >> A well-rounded little rabbit
> >
> >Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.  Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of
> >Fowler.
>
> That's OK (and the essay, perhaps was directed to Marie, not Karen), I
> despise Tushar.

I forgot: fowler monkeys choose sensibly moderate targets--whom
to admire, whom to emulate, and (in particular) whom to despise.

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At 08:34 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, aht wrote:

>That was uncalled-for, Clyde. If you have a shred of decency you will
>apologize to Natalie.

Hey, take a deep breath and try to remember the Alamo.

cwv

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02003-02-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> OK with you, maybe, but I have a nasty case of emotive dissonance!

I believe there are creams available for that.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > despise Tushar.
>
> I forgot: fowler monkeys choose sensibly moderate targets--whom
> to admire, whom to emulate, and (in particular) whom to despise.

Hey, Tushykins -- Welcome to our special club -- those who are despised
by His Royal Highness CWV.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay writes,

>I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
>fatal to either party.

<http://www.octanecreative.com/joker/archive1.html>, "workplace wackiness"
and some of the others.

There are some funny computer things you can do, like run a little program
that turns your screen upside down, although you have to be really careful
about viruses.  Examples at
<http://www.angelfire.com/mn/coolcrapcentral/programs.html> (safety unknown).

Pete

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02003-02-02 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > despise Tushar.
> >
> > I forgot: fowler monkeys choose sensibly moderate targets--whom
> > to admire, whom to emulate, and (in particular) whom to despise.
>
> Hey, Tushykins -- Welcome to our special club -- those who are despised
> by His Royal Highness CWV.

You are making me an honorary Sucky Southerner? Bless your heart!

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:45:05 PM, you wrote:
NM> The beans thrown in Japan aren't all the same.  I'm not sure they were
NM> all soybeans.  I know they were of varying sizes and appearances and
NM> taste.  I didn't care which kind I caught, and I did eat the requisite
NM> 54 caught beans that day, happy that Setsuban was in early February
NM> rather than late March so that I didn't have to eat 55.  But I could've
NM> downed another one if necessary.  I would happily down 59 beans if I
NM> were there right now.

How do you know what direction to throw them in?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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>>I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
>>fatal to either party.
>
>Send them to central supply to pick up a couple of fallopian tubes.
>
>Betty

If you're a cook, you send the newbies to the supply room to get a bacon
stretcher.

For the unitiated, bacon stretchers are not dissimilar in nature to the
infamous flagpole keys and left-handed smoke shifters that countless
generations of Boy Scout Tenderfeet have journeyed after in innumerable
campgrounds.

Ken Miller
Director of Recreational Activites
Eulenspiegel Institute

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02003-02-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
> > TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...
> >
> > So this was a typo like I thought...
>
> Quick Karen before you go to sleep WHAT WAS THE TYPO?

Karen is drunk. Karen thinks I meant howler monkey and that's
her grand theory of the day. Go to sleep, Karen.

> I am so out of it.

You have been in it the whole time and don't know it.

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 7:02:34 PM, you wrote:

TS> 02003-02-02 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> > TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
>> > TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...
>> >
>> > So this was a typo like I thought...
>>
>> Quick Karen before you go to sleep WHAT WAS THE TYPO?

Why didn't I get Aborkin@rahul.net's original???

TS> Karen is drunk. Karen thinks I meant howler monkey and that's
TS> her grand theory of the day. Go to sleep, Karen.

>> I am so out of it.

TS> You have been in it the whole time and don't know it.

Uh-huh.

Karen
A well-rounded little howler monkey

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:28:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> RC> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>>Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:17:05 PM, you wrote:
>>>RC>         Oooh!  I don't have any soybeans.  I hope one of my students
>>>RC> remembers to bring some.
>>>
>>>Are your students into soybeans? And Japanese holidays? (I don't
>>>actually think the kind of bean is important--it's not like
>>>Japanese soybeans aren't grown in Iowa anyway.)
>>>
>
>
> RC>         My students who take Japanese are.
>
> Cool. I forget that high schools have started offering it.


        We have French, German, Spanish, Japanese, and Latin.




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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:57:03 PM, you wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
>> TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...
>>
>> So this was a typo like I thought...

> Quick Karen before you go to sleep WHAT WAS THE TYPO?

> I am so out of it.

Finally! It showed up!

My Tushykins got it--howler monkey.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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02003-02-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:57:03 PM, you wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >> TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
> >> TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...
> >>
> >> So this was a typo like I thought...
>
> > Quick Karen before you go to sleep WHAT WAS THE TYPO?
>
> > I am so out of it.
>
> Finally! It showed up!

Sleep. The keyword is SLEEP.

> My Tushykins got it--howler monkey.

How clever of me! I bet Borkin never thought of it!

> Karen
> Huku wa uchi!!!!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 4:33:25 PM, you wrote:
> RC> Karen Kay wrote:
> RC>         The salaries are higher, so they look more attractive than
> RC> Missouri schools -- especially the more rural districts.
>
> AISD isn't at all rural--in fact, I'm too far out of the central
> city to be in AISD. Do you mean Texas, in general?



        Oops, Texas in general, especially when compared to rural
Missouri districts.





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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Hey, Tushykins -- Welcome to our special club -- those who are despised
> > by His Royal Highness CWV.
>
> You are making me an honorary Sucky Southerner? Bless your heart!

No.

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I just talked to my parents for awhile.  Dad starts
radiation tomorrow, and he sounded a little scared (although
you'd have to know him to hear it).

In any case, we talked about my good, long visit this
summer.  Apparently, they bought this whole camping get-up
for his pickup truck a couple of years ago, camped out once,
and decided they were far too old for that kind of nonsense.
  Therefore I will be doing them a *service* should I get a
second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
can almost smell the ocean and pine trees.  Don't get that
in Missouri, that's for sure.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:45:05 PM, you wrote:
> NM> The beans thrown in Japan aren't all the same.  I'm not sure they were
> NM> all soybeans.  I know they were of varying sizes and appearances and
> NM> taste.  I didn't care which kind I caught, and I did eat the requisite
> NM> 54 caught beans that day, happy that Setsuban was in early February
> NM> rather than late March so that I didn't have to eat 55.  But I could've
> NM> downed another one if necessary.  I would happily down 59 beans if I
> NM> were there right now.
>
> How do you know what direction to throw them in?

When I was in Japan, I caught them.  I didn't throw any.  We've
discussed this before -- the two Setsuban routines.  The catching seems
to be a bigger one.  Here I throw them to a few people who like catching
them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 06:49 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, ms. maynor wrote:

>Hey, Tushykins -- Welcome to our special club -- those who are despised
>by His Royal Highness CWV.

I do not despise you, Ms. Maynor---you are not worth the effort.

cwv

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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 8:29:43 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:45:05 PM, you wrote:
>> NM> The beans thrown in Japan aren't all the same.  I'm not sure they were
>> NM> all soybeans.  I know they were of varying sizes and appearances and
>> NM> taste.  I didn't care which kind I caught, and I did eat the requisite
>> NM> 54 caught beans that day, happy that Setsuban was in early February
>> NM> rather than late March so that I didn't have to eat 55.  But I could've
>> NM> downed another one if necessary.  I would happily down 59 beans if I
>> NM> were there right now.
>>
>> How do you know what direction to throw them in?

> When I was in Japan, I caught them.  I didn't throw any.  We've
> discussed this before -- the two Setsuban routines.  The catching seems
> to be a bigger one.  Here I throw them to a few people who like catching
> them.

How do you know what direction to throw them in?

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> When I was in Japan, I caught them.  I didn't throw any.  We've

I should attach the scanner that's in my closet floor and scan a picture
of my bean-catching at Takahatafudo, where I was with a bunch of
Japanese friends and ate the beans after catching them.  I just looked
at my online pictures and saw that the only one is at Asakusa, where I
caught beans earlier that day alone.  I was standing right behind the
upraised hands in this picture:

http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/bean.jpg

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
> of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
> think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
> will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
> all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
> week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I

I am always amused when people talk about staying at campgrounds as
camping or as roughing it.  Back in my camping days, we laughed heartily
at campgrounds.  We camped in <the woods> or in <the weeds> -- but
always made sure there was a nearby creek -- camping without any water
source is to be avoided.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> What you need is a nice whorish jumper!

Oh, I have a couple of those in denim, but I prefer pants in the
wintertime. Jumpers will come out in warmer weather.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
>>of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
>>think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
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>>all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
>>week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
>>
>
> I am always amused when people talk about staying at campgrounds as
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> at campgrounds.  We camped in <the woods> or in <the weeds> -- but
> always made sure there was a nearby creek -- camping without any water
> source is to be avoided.


        Well, it isn't exactly Red Roof Inn, but the back of the
truck will at least not give me the hotel heebie jeebies.
And since we're acclimated Missourians, we'll probably
freeze our asses off if it goes below 70.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> And since we're acclimated Missourians, we'll probably
> freeze our asses off if it goes below 70.

The last New England fest was Sweat City.  I don't remember being all
that hot on Block Island, though it was certainly not cold, but I do
remember the night I spent in Providence after BI as the most miserable
night I've ever spent in my life re temperature and ventilation.  It was
presumably somewhat cooler up there in Unreal Maine, but I can't believe
it was cold.

Otoh, I do remember freezing to death while rat-shooting at the garbage
dump in Lake Placid, NY, on what I think was July 4.  I had a date with
Tony Nania.

--
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At 08:28 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>I just talked to my parents for awhile.  Dad starts
>radiation tomorrow, and he sounded a little scared (although
>you'd have to know him to hear it).
>
>In any case, we talked about my good, long visit this
>summer.  Apparently, they bought this whole camping get-up
>for his pickup truck a couple of years ago, camped out once,
>and decided they were far too old for that kind of nonsense.
>  Therefore I will be doing them a *service* should I get a
>second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
>of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
>think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
>will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
>all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
>week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
>can almost smell the ocean and pine trees.  Don't get that
>in Missouri, that's for sure.
.
I confirmed our reservations today.  I had to hold while she took something
out of the oven.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>And since we're acclimated Missourians, we'll probably
>>freeze our asses off if it goes below 70.
>>
>
> The last New England fest was Sweat City.  I don't remember being all
> that hot on Block Island, though it was certainly not cold, but I do
> remember the night I spent in Providence after BI as the most miserable
> night I've ever spent in my life re temperature and ventilation.  It was
> presumably somewhat cooler up there in Unreal Maine, but I can't believe
> it was cold.


        I don't feel the heat when I'm home.  I think it has been in
the 80's, and that feels pleasant to me while everyone else
is dying.  One time in NH it was in the 70's and I could
hardly stand to go swimming.  The Acadia site said it
typically drops into the 50's at night during June and July.
  We will be cold.

        I'm not sure what days to be there.  I guess it'll be less
crowded before the weekend, but my hometown has a neat July
3rd celebration.  I want to catch most of the wordslers and
do some hiking. I can always catch a whale watch out of
Plymouth.


> Otoh, I do remember freezing to death while rat-shooting at the garbage
> dump in Lake Placid, NY, on what I think was July 4.  I had a date with
> Tony Nania.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 08:36 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> > second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
> > of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
> > think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
> > will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
> > all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
> > week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
>
>I am always amused when people talk about staying at campgrounds as
>camping or as roughing it.  Back in my camping days, we laughed heartily
>at campgrounds.  We camped in <the woods> or in <the weeds> -- but
>always made sure there was a nearby creek -- camping without any water
>source is to be avoided.

Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 08:36 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>> > second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
>> > of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
>> > think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
>> > will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
>> > all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
>> > week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
>>
>> I am always amused when people talk about staying at campgrounds as
>> camping or as roughing it.  Back in my camping days, we laughed heartily
>> at campgrounds.  We camped in <the woods> or in <the weeds> -- but
>> always made sure there was a nearby creek -- camping without any water
>> source is to be avoided.
>
>
> Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.


        Well, I've never had a rat-hunting date, which I assume would
also subject me to a round of hearty derision :).




--
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        I found a can of peanuts in the cupboard.  I think they'll
do.  I'll toss nuts at them before the exam.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>
>>When I was in Japan, I caught them.  I didn't throw any.  We've
>>
>
> I should attach the scanner that's in my closet floor and scan a picture
> of my bean-catching at Takahatafudo, where I was with a bunch of
> Japanese friends and ate the beans after catching them.  I just looked
> at my online pictures and saw that the only one is at Asakusa, where I
> caught beans earlier that day alone.  I was standing right behind the
> upraised hands in this picture:
>
> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/Words-L/bean.jpg
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
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Sunday, February 2, 2003, 9:10:35 PM, you wrote:
>         I found a can of peanuts in the cupboard.  I think they'll
> do.  I'll toss nuts at them before the exam.

I found a website that claims that at least some Japanese people
use peanuts.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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Betty wrote:

> Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.

I'm over it.  I haven't camped in years now.  But what I called camping
wasn't necessarily backpacking.  It was at least as likely to be bicycle
camping or canoe camping.  I did not call staying in campgrounds
camping.  I called it staying in campgrounds.

--
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I found a can of peanuts in the cupboard.  I think they'll
> do.  I'll toss nuts at them before the exam.

That will work fine.

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At 09:26 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.
>
>I'm over it.  I haven't camped in years now.  But what I called camping
>wasn't necessarily backpacking.  It was at least as likely to be bicycle
>camping or canoe camping.  I did not call staying in campgrounds
>camping.  I called it staying in campgrounds.

I know what you mean. Lorinda refused to sleep in our RV.  We had to get a
tent.

I like the hot water and refrigerator, plus not having to go out in the
cold to pee during the night or early morning. Now we have TV, antennae,
microwave. We plug in our Foreman Grill and have a glass of wine while
others are still fighting with their charcoal. It's not camping.  I'm too
old for camping.

Betty

Betty

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I just finished my taxes. I used TurboTax online which cost under $35
for both state and federal. They're being e-filed as I type to you all.

This years returns were fairly easy and I probably would have done them
by myself. Neither Tina nor I received the forms we need in the mail. As
long as I was going to download the forms I may as well just do it all
online. Excuses aside, I find Turbo Tax easy to follow and I don't mind
paying the money for the convenience it offers me.

lisa
bonniev wrote:

> Brad, you should have gone to TaxBrain.  They let folks over age 50 file
> for free.   I almost had the whole thing figured out there.  But then at
> the end there was no place to account for the withholding that was
> done all
> year long on our Social Security benefits.  So I had to logout and will
> have to file the old-fashioned paper way.   The State of Maine has an
> awesome state income tax site.  That went very smoothly.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

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02003-02-02 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Hey, Tushykins -- Welcome to our special club -- those who are despised
> > > by His Royal Highness CWV.
> >
> > You are making me an honorary Sucky Southerner? Bless your heart!
>
> No.

Bless your heart ...

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 5:35:49 PM, you wrote:
> > How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
> > first Birkenstocks.  I bought my first in Chicago at a store named "Take
> > a Walk" on or near Clarke Street -- general vicinity of Lawrence of
> > Oregano, part of the Lettuce Entertain You chain, in July 1980.  That
> > was a fun summer.
>
> I bought mine in 1974.

Oh dear.  I'm definitely out of the running.  Bonniemae?  Others?

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http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/?ArID=59313

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On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:36:59PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Rita Chapman wrote:
=
= > second use out of all that stuff.  I'm not an enormous fan
= > of campgrounds (I don't like the lack of privacy), but I
= > think Ana would have fun camping out.  It looks like showers
= > will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
= > all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
= > week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
=
= I am always amused when people talk about staying at campgrounds as
= camping or as roughing it.  Back in my camping days, we laughed heartily
= at campgrounds.  We camped in <the woods> or in <the weeds> -- but
= always made sure there was a nearby creek -- camping without any water
= source is to be avoided.
=

Well bless your heart.

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On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 07:35:21PM -0800, Betty wrote:
= At 09:26 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >Betty wrote:
= >
= > > Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.
= >
= >I'm over it.  I haven't camped in years now.  But what I called camping
= >wasn't necessarily backpacking.  It was at least as likely to be bicycle
= >camping or canoe camping.  I did not call staying in campgrounds
= >camping.  I called it staying in campgrounds.
=
= I know what you mean. Lorinda refused to sleep in our RV.  We had to get a
= tent.
=
= I like the hot water and refrigerator, plus not having to go out in the
= cold to pee during the night or early morning. Now we have TV, antennae,
= microwave. We plug in our Foreman Grill and have a glass of wine while
= others are still fighting with their charcoal. It's not camping.  I'm too
= old for camping.
=
= Betty

I'm going camping with you.

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Please send a report on the Paris hotel.  My friend who stays regularly
at the Delavigne said that her stepson and his wife are planning a trip
to Paris and are looking for something in the price range of your
hotel.  She said that the NYT article she read about it sounded good but
that she would like to hear your report on it.

--
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>  It looks like showers
>will be available, so we won't show up at Bonnie and Clyde's
>all stinky.  It looks like I need to get reservations this
>week. Yikes.  Anybody else planning to rough it?  Ahhhh.. I
>can almost smell the ocean and pine trees.  Don't get that
>in Missouri, that's for sure.    --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Blackwoods Campground?   Is that what you're trying for?   It's really
quite nice.  My niece stayed there with a little one.   I joined them for
an evening.  Huge fire pit.  Truly large, wooded sites.   They were camping
all over New England and they thought the bathrooms and showers were the
best at Blackwoods.    Let me add, though, that anyone who is camping
without showers is quite welcome to shower or bathe at our house.   We have
a nice deep bathtub where mother and daughter could bathe together.


    --bonniev

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>I confirmed our reservations today.  I had to hold while she took something
>out of the oven.      --Betty

With Susan at the Hearthside??  She wasn't even at the Inn when she was
talking to you.  The Inn is shut down tight.   We got another five inches
of snow last night.   A real blizzard.  Still windy.


    --bonniev

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On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> >Tushar despises H. W. Fowler.  Clyde's essay to Karen reminded him of
> >Fowler.
>
> That's OK (and the essay, perhaps was directed to Marie, not Karen), I
> despise Tushar.

OK with you, maybe, but I have a nasty case of emotive dissonance!

Ann

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>From: bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
>Blackwoods Campground?   Is that what you're trying for?   It's really
>quite nice.  My niece stayed there with a little one.   I joined them for
>an evening.  Huge fire pit.  Truly large, wooded sites

I've stayed in both Blackwoods and Seawall, and though they are both
<lovely>, recommend Blackwoods -- but these are my reasons: 1) Seawall is on
the FAR side of the island (not convenient to downtown Bar Harbor) and 2)
Seawall doesn't have (if I recall correctly) drive-in sites, so you have to
park and carry everything. Of course neither of these things in and of
themselves are necessarily <bad>, but make Blackwoods more convenient and
maybe more practical when camping with a little girl. Also, July 4 weekend
would be a bad time to show up without the Blackwoods reservation.

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In a message dated 02/03/2003 8:14:22 AM Central Standard Time,
dailyhoroscope@astrology.com writes:

<<
Here is your horoscope for Monday, February 3:

Your worldwide dominance isn't a foregone conclusion -- at least not yet.
Show the world your human face. Build trust now so that others will surrender
all power to you later.

>>

"Worldwide dominance"?  I wish!


Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I want power, lots and lots of power.

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>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>"Worldwide dominance"?  I wish!

Really? That's interesting...

Marie
(thinking Evelyn's been watching too much sci-fi TV...)


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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>>RC>         I wonder why they're all up here recruiting then.
> >>>
> >>>AISD is recruiting there???
> >>>
> >
> >
> > RC>         Yup.  They come to all the UMSL job fairs.
> >
> > That is very interesting and quite bizarre.

    At one time it was common for the local schools to reject local
applicants out-of-hand while at the same time actively recruiting
out-of-state.  Perhaps that is the case here.
    Must be one of those things that suits learn at Administrator School.

JMW

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In a message dated 02/03/2003 8:43:00 AM Central Standard Time,
lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
(thinking Evelyn's been watching too much sci-fi TV...)

>>

I wish, but we don't have digital cable so I can't watch the
SciFi Channel.  Have been watching Buffy and Charmed;
I saw the Vamp Willow episode this morning; wish I could
wear her outfit!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:45:26 AM, you wrote:
> You have really ruled out teaching.

Not really; certainly not permanently. I did a lot of investigation
into what was available and what I would qualify for, and the cost of the
application vs. what I could earn. But the fact that no one was
adding to their sub lists stopped that cold.

It's true: I don't have any interest in getting certified, which
would rule out most full-time teaching jobs.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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In a message dated 02/03/2003 9:51:31 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
About how to explode your coffeemaker, I am such a natural for
the lead!


>>

Are you OK?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:24:58 AM, you wrote:

> In a message dated 02/03/2003 9:51:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> About how to explode your coffeemaker, I am such a natural for
> the lead!


>>>

> Are you OK?

I'm fine; it was just messy. Coffee grounds are tricky to clean
up.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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At 10:02 AM 2/3/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:45:26 AM, you wrote:
> > You veto in a way that
> > doesn't end discussion but prolong it, and those of us who want
> > to help keep trying.
>
>You may want to help, but discussions like this one do not help
>me at all. Quite the contrary.

Then why do you continue to participate in them?

lisa


>Karen
>Huku wa uchi!!!!

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:44:15 AM, you wrote:

> At 09:45 AM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>About how to explode your coffeemaker, I am such a natural for
>>the lead!
>>
>>Karen
>>A well-rounded little rabbit

> How did you explode your coffee maker?

First I ran water through the filter without adding coffee: this
is the essential first step. Then, I removed the carafe, and
added the coffee grounds to the wet filter. Then, and this is the
essential third step, I set the coffee-maker so water from the
reservoir would flow into the filter, and then proceeded to add
the preheated water to the reservoir--which immediately flowed to
the filter, without the heating stage, and voila! Coffee grounds
everywhere!!!

It was magnificent, if I do say so myself...

The moral of the story is, sometime you need coffee before you
make coffee in the morning.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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Do you still call them patrons?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:50:57 AM, you wrote:

> At 10:02 AM 2/3/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:45:26 AM, you wrote:
>> > You veto in a way that
>> > doesn't end discussion but prolong it, and those of us who want
>> > to help keep trying.
>>
>>You may want to help, but discussions like this one do not help
>>me at all. Quite the contrary.

> Then why do you continue to participate in them?

Because I keep hoping they will be helpful, as the other
participants intend.

Karen
Huku wa uchi!!!!

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02003-02-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/?ArID=59313

Austin is pretty weird!

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02003-02-02 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:43:49 PM, you wrote:
> TS> However, fowler monkey has a good sound to it, it captures the
> TS> noise this type of person makes. Also, it is a generalized insult.
> TS> Fowler monkeys have nerdy overrefined aesthetics with no juice.
>
> Too much juice--they slobber.
> TS> It was directed at Marie, queen of all our hearts (*swoon*) It did
> TS> not remind me of Fowler, and in fact I don't remember Fowler ...
>
> So this was a typo like I thought...

K-R-N--

I already asked you to go to sleep.

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02003-02-03 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> >"Worldwide dominance"?  I wish!
>
> Really? That's interesting...
>
> Marie
> (thinking Evelyn's been watching too much sci-fi TV...)

Yeah, watching "sci fi" TV is what puts wishes of worldwide
dominance in your head nowadays ... har har har ... as for
Evelyn, stop wishing and build trust! Dang, the horoscope
even told you!

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02003-02-03 | Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> writes:
> dailyhoroscope@astrology.com writes:
>
> <<
> Here is your horoscope for Monday, February 3:
>
> Your worldwide dominance isn't a foregone conclusion -- at least not
> yet. Show the world your human face. Build trust now so that others
> will surrender all power to you later.
>
> >>

Some day there will be book on astrologers who fought the silent
war ... And I think the time has come to study the political
messages in daily crosswords too ...

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>Do you still call them patrons?

I don't very often, but it's still common usage. I prefer "library users" or
just "users" or to be more specific by group: "students", "faculty", etc.
The word "patrons" always struck me as odd and old-fashioned. It is my
feeling that its use is more common in public libraries.

Marie

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At 09:20 AM 2/3/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 07:35:21PM -0800, Betty wrote:
>= At 09:26 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>= >Betty wrote:
>= >
>= > > Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.
>= >
>= >I'm over it.  I haven't camped in years now.  But what I called camping
>= >wasn't necessarily backpacking.  It was at least as likely to be bicycle
>= >camping or canoe camping.  I did not call staying in campgrounds
>= >camping.  I called it staying in campgrounds.
>=
>= I know what you mean. Lorinda refused to sleep in our RV.  We had to get a
>= tent.
>=
>= I like the hot water and refrigerator, plus not having to go out in the
>= cold to pee during the night or early morning. Now we have TV, antennae,
>= microwave. We plug in our Foreman Grill and have a glass of wine while
>= others are still fighting with their charcoal. It's not camping.  I'm too
>= old for camping.
>=
>= Betty
>
>I'm going camping with you.


You're welcome any time!  By the time I retire I plan to be able to plug my
cell phone into my laptop so I can e-mail Brad instead of calling him and
check out maps to see where we are.

Betty

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At 08:20 AM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I confirmed our reservations today.  I had to hold while she took something
>>out of the oven.      --Betty
>
>With Susan at the Hearthside??  She wasn't even at the Inn when she was
>talking to you.  The Inn is shut down tight.   We got another five inches
>of snow last night.   A real blizzard.  Still windy.

I don't now what number is on their stationary. That is what I called.

Betty

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It seems to me that movies get worse and worse.
They promise so much and are usually disappointing.
The latest batch I rented were really clunkers IMO.
Unfaithful . . no plot.  Minority Report . . turned it off
after 10 miserable minutes.  Bloodwork . . Eastwood
good but book was better.  (Did they change the plot?)

I wonder if watching on a laptop killed them or if
they really were that bad.

                      - D. M.

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>>With Susan at the Hearthside??  She wasn't even at the Inn when she was
>>talking to you.  The Inn is shut down tight.   We got another five inches
>>of snow last night.   A real blizzard.  Still windy.
>
>I don't now what number is on their stationary. That is what I called.
>Betty

Yup.  You talked to Susan.   I just talked to her also.  She was melting
butter for something for dinner when you called.  The Inn number is
forwarded to their home in the winter.  It will be forwarded to my home
from March 18 to April 2 while they are in England.


    --bonniev

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At 01:36 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Do you still call them patrons?
>
>I don't very often, but it's still common usage. I prefer "library users" or
>just "users" or to be more specific by group: "students", "faculty", etc.
>The word "patrons" always struck me as odd and old-fashioned. It is my
>feeling that its use is more common in public libraries.

Instead of patients, we are asked to call our users clients.

Betty

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At 01:54 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>It seems to me that movies get worse and worse.
>They promise so much and are usually disappointing.
>The latest batch I rented were really clunkers IMO.
>Unfaithful . . no plot.  Minority Report . . turned it off
>after 10 miserable minutes.  Bloodwork . . Eastwood
>good but book was better.  (Did they change the plot?)
>
>I wonder if watching on a laptop killed them or if
>they really were that bad.
>
>                       - D. M.


We saw Minority report in the theater and enjoyed it.

alec



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02003-02-03 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
>
> We saw Minority report in the theater and enjoyed it.

The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
is ... the year your youth ended

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> > We saw Minority report in the theater and enjoyed it.
>
>The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
>is ... the year your youth ended

I'm still young because I thought Chicago was excellent.   I'm not sure I
would have enjoyed it on a laptop, however.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 2/3/2003 1:51:47 PM Central Standard Time,

Tushar:T

The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
>
> is ... the year your youth ended
>

That may be true of your grandmother but I don't think
that's what's bugging me.  Some of the movies in my
youth were very bad, some very good.  Some recent
movies have been excellent.  I enjoy good movies
no matter when the'y were made.

P. S.  My youth has not entirely ended.

                   - D. M.

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At 04:02 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/3/2003 1:51:47 PM Central Standard Time,
>
>Tushar:T
>
>The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
> >
> > is ... the year your youth ended
> >
>
>That may be true of your grandmother but I don't think
>that's what's bugging me.  Some of the movies in my
>youth were very bad, some very good.  Some recent
>movies have been excellent.  I enjoy good movies
>no matter when the'y were made.
>
>P. S.  My youth has not entirely ended.
>
>                    - D. M.


You go, girl.  The young whippersnapper knows not of what he speaks!

Betty

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>From: Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM>
>One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
>requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
>not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
>contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
>couldn't be done by a machine.

Some do compounding. And they all (are supposed to) offer some level of
patient education.

Marie

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:02:42AM -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
= Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:45:26 AM, you wrote:
= > You veto in a way that
= > doesn't end discussion but prolong it, and those of us who want
= > to help keep trying.
=
= You may want to help, but discussions like this one do not help
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Karen, we do not know better than you.  Even if we do, we don't,
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On Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 6:33, Betty wrote:

> How do you feel about pharmacy school?

One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
couldn't be done by a machine.

Is your university actually looking for pharmacists?

Tony H.

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> With a turtleneck and nice warm tights, sure it would be.

Tights are a bother to put on.

alyce

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 3:40:12 PM, you wrote:
> Karen, we do not know better than you.  Even if we do, we don't,
> if you know what I mean.

Exactly. Thank you for saying this.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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At 04:23 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 6:33, Betty wrote:
>
> > How do you feel about pharmacy school?
>
>One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
>requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
>not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
>contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
>couldn't be done by a machine.
>
>Is your university actually looking for pharmacists?

Yes,  a chief pharmacist actually.  Pharmacists will often save doctor's
hide when orders are written incorrectly.  Maybe the doctors hate being
told they erred. They used to be at the top of respected professions.  They
know a whole lot more about drugs than most physicians. Maybe yours are
overworked because we're coming across the border to get cheaper drugs.

Betty

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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:55:01 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Marie Ascher wrote:


>
> I've stayed in both Blackwoods and Seawall, and though they are both
> <lovely>, recommend Blackwoods -- but these are my reasons: 1) Seawall
> is on
> the FAR side of the island (not convenient to downtown Bar Harbor) and 2)
> Seawall doesn't have (if I recall correctly) drive-in sites, so you have to
> park and carry everything.


Then I have to go with Blackwoods since this whole tent
set-up thingie works with the bed of the pickup.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:58:43 -0600
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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 04:23 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 6:33, Betty wrote:
>>
>> > How do you feel about pharmacy school?
>>
>> One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
>> requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
>> not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
>> contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
>> couldn't be done by a machine.
>>
>> Is your university actually looking for pharmacists?
>
>
> Yes,  a chief pharmacist actually.  Pharmacists will often save doctor's
> hide when orders are written incorrectly.  Maybe the doctors hate being
> told they erred. They used to be at the top of respected professions.  They
> know a whole lot more about drugs than most physicians. Maybe yours are
> overworked because we're coming across the border to get cheaper drugs.


        Yes, it is always the pharmacist who has caught things like
allergies and this is a no-no for breastfeeding for me.  It
isn't unusual for a pharmacist to run through a few
different drugs before the doctor figures out the right script.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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In a message dated 02/03/2003 1:52:02 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
is ... the year your youth ended

>>

Well, I don't know:  music stopped being good in 1992, but
TV shows started being good then:  Law and Order, Highlander,
Forever Knight, ER, Homicide, Robocop, Buffy, Angel, Twin Peaks,
etc.  The only program in the Eighties that I really liked was
Max Headroom.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:23:36PM -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
= On Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 6:33, Betty wrote:
=
= > How do you feel about pharmacy school?
=
= One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
= requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
= not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
= contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
= couldn't be done by a machine.
=
= Is your university actually looking for pharmacists?
=
= Tony H.

My dad's a pharmacist, and except for a stint as a VP at Blue
Cross much earlier in his career, he was for most of the last
40 years.  He retired last year, the year before, something
like that.  He used to work for San Diego County, so he was
dispensing to the county jail, and county mental health.  Before
that he worked at the VA hospital for a while.  As I understand
it, there's some difference in that kind of pharmacy versus being
a pill dispenser at Walgreen's.

They need to think like university graduates do.  They know more
about drug interaction than the doctors do.  They need to do
calculus on the fly to figure dosage.  They need to do the
logistics of the pharmacy.  They need to know better than
the ocassionally careless doctors what the proper dose is.
They need to run the damn database.  That's just off the top of
my head, and I never really talk much with my dad about work.

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>Then I have to go with Blackwoods since this whole tent
>set-up thingie works with the bed of the pickup.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Or you could go to any number of privately run campgrounds.  Some have
swimming pools, playgrounds, and the whole nine yards.


    --bonniev

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At 01:16 PM 2/3/2003 -0800, betty wrote:


>You go, girl.  The young whippersnapper knows not of what he speaks!

On this date in 1959, near Clear Lake, Iowa, the music died.

cwv

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At 03:55 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, rita wrote:

>Then I have to go with Blackwoods since this whole tent
>set-up thingie works with the bed of the pickup.

Of the two ANP campgrounds, Blackwoods is definitely the better bet.  Not
only is it closer to BH, but it is in the middle of the park; my guess is
that it also offers more park-oriented programs than does Seawall.

cwv

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02003-02-03 | Doris Markland <dorism212@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 1:51:47 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> Tushar:T
>
> >The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
> > is ... the year your youth ended
>
> That may be true of your grandmother but I don't think
> that's what's bugging me.  Some of the movies in my
> youth were very bad, some very good.  Some recent
> movies have been excellent.  I enjoy good movies
> no matter when the'y were made.
>
> P. S.  My youth has not entirely ended.

Then I don't see what my statement has to do with you.

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John Williams wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>It is only the rich that can afford to eat that way.
>>
>
>     And what does that tell you?


        A)  I work in a rich neighborhood.
        B)  I am rich.




--
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02003-02-03 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
> ><<
> >The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
> >is ... the year your youth ended
> >
> >Well, I don't know:  music stopped being good in 1992, but
> >TV shows started being good then:  Law and Order, Highlander,
> >Forever Knight, ER, Homicide, Robocop, Buffy, Angel, Twin Peaks,
> >etc.  The only program in the Eighties that I really liked was
> >Max Headroom.
>
>
>        I wouldn't classify any of these shows as good.  Most of them
> I consider awful.

I'd like to state that my youth almost ended before I was born ..

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In a message dated 02/03/2003 4:11:53 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        I wouldn't classify any of these shows as good.  Most of them
I consider awful.

>>

So what shows do you consider to be good ones?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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bonniev wrote:

>> Then I have to go with Blackwoods since this whole tent
>> set-up thingie works with the bed of the pickup.
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Or you could go to any number of privately run campgrounds.  Some have
> swimming pools, playgrounds, and the whole nine yards.


        I don't plan to spend much time on the campground --  maybe a
nap in the middle of the day for us if we need it.  I
anticipate a day of hiking or maybe biking, a wordsler day,
and that should be it.  Then maybe we'll roar off to Montreal.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Marie Ascher wrote:

> The word "patrons" always struck me as odd and old-fashioned. It is my
> feeling that its use is more common in public libraries.

Although I realize that it has been used often to refer to library
users, I think these days my first thought upon hearing the term
"library patron" would be somebody who contributes large amounts of
money to a library.  That seems to be today's most common use of the
word in many contexts.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty Clark wrote:

> You're welcome any time!  By the time I retire I plan to be able to plug my
> cell phone into my laptop so I can e-mail Brad instead of calling him and
> check out maps to see where we are.

That's a good idea since you wouldn't have the hours of waiting to get
through Brad's busy signals.  His quietness on Words-L these days,
however, makes me wonder whether his line really is always busy still.
I wish he would quit being so quiet.  I'd rather put up with the busy
signals when trying to call him than live with this list quietness.

Re cell phones, I haven't dropped mine yet.  I planned on doing it by
the 7th -- the last day in the billing cycle.  But I started thinking
about spring break.  I have no firm plans yet for spring break -- plane
fare to Prague was very tempting, but I don't think I want to do that,
and this group of high school friends I partied with Halloween is now
talking about maybe a party the weekend of the end of my spring break.
Worrying that Furrbabies is going to get booked up soon, I went on today
and called and made a reservation for Spencer to arrive Sat., March 8,
and depart Sunday, March 16.  What I'm thinking I might do is a Grand
Tour of Mississippi that week, with a tiny bit of Louisiana tossed in.
I could go down to Smith County and check libraries and cemeteries for
Swittenbergs, then down to Bay St. Louis to see whether I want to move
there, then up to Vicksburg and across the river to Lake Bruin to see
whether it still looks like it did in my youth, then to Jackson for the
possible party.  Even if the party doesn't happen, it would be nice to
be in Jackson for a day or so.  If I got there on a weekday, I could go
to the cemetery office and see whether they have records to show me
where Marshall Maynor and Susannah Swittenberg Maynor are buried.  And I
could make sure that Mama's death date was properly carved into the
stone.

I got carried away in that paragraph and forgot the point.  The point is
that I always leave a phone number at Furrbabies for emergencies.  Since
I would prefer not to have to plan this trip in such a way as to know
exactly where I would be staying every night, having a cell phone would
be convenient.  But it really is ridiculous for me to have a cell
phone.  It never rings.  And I rarely make calls on it.  (I did use it
to call Furrbabies today since that's long-distance from here, but I
could use my personal campus WATS number for pennies.)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
> is ... the year your youth ended

I've heard that "Chicago" is good.

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> > P. S.  My youth has not entirely ended.
>
> Then I don't see what my statement has to do with you
>
>
Exactly.

  - D. M.

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At 11:11 PM 2/3/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:23:36PM -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
>= On Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 6:33, Betty wrote:
>=
>= > How do you feel about pharmacy school?
>=
>= One of these years I may figure out what pharmacists actually do that
>= requires a university degree. The vast majority of them seem to be
>= not much different from corner-store operators. They are treated with
>= contempt by doctors, and in truth there is little they do that
>= couldn't be done by a machine.
>=
>= Is your university actually looking for pharmacists?
>=
>= Tony H.
>
>My dad's a pharmacist, and except for a stint as a VP at Blue
>Cross much earlier in his career, he was for most of the last
>40 years.  He retired last year, the year before, something
>like that.  He used to work for San Diego County, so he was
>dispensing to the county jail, and county mental health.  Before
>that he worked at the VA hospital for a while.  As I understand
>it, there's some difference in that kind of pharmacy versus being
>a pill dispenser at Walgreen's.
>
>They need to think like university graduates do.  They know more
>about drug interaction than the doctors do.  They need to do
>calculus on the fly to figure dosage.  They need to do the
>logistics of the pharmacy.  They need to know better than
>the ocassionally careless doctors what the proper dose is.
>They need to run the damn database.  That's just off the top of
>my head, and I never really talk much with my dad about work.

Drugstores employ pharmacy technicians, too, who have to work under a
pharmacist. Maybe they are the rude ones.

Betty

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At 04:39 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-02-03 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> > You go, girl.  The young whippersnapper knows not of what he speaks!
> >
> > Betty
>
>Oh, puh-lease, you are OLD, OK?

I keep forgetting.  I don't feel old but every once in a while I catch a
glimpse in the mirror. Who is that old woman??

Betty

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>I drank instant coffee until I was in my late forties.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

In that case you have no right to speak about coffee.


    --bonniev

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 4:11:29 PM, you wrote:
> They need to do
> calculus on the fly to figure dosage.

I will *never* be a pharmacist!

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 5:00:08 PM, you wrote:
> And the moral of that story is set up the coffeemaker the night before
> so that all you have to do is turn it on in the morning (unless you have
> a fancy one with a timer, in which case you don't even have to do
> that).  Bonniemae will leap to say that's a travesty -- that it makes
> the coffee taste stale.

I agree with Bonnie.

> I drank instant coffee until I was in my late forties.  But now that I'm
> into non-instant, I prefer it.  My mother always preferred instant.  So
> does my brother.

I recently bought instant coffee, but it was to use in cooking.

Karen
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Monday, February 3, 2003, 5:03:48 PM, you wrote:
> Although I realize that it has been used often to refer to library
> users, I think these days my first thought upon hearing the term
> "library patron" would be somebody who contributes large amounts of
> money to a library.  That seems to be today's most common use of the
> word in many contexts.

That's actually why I asked. But this is a public library
situation, so I'm leaving it as 'library patron'.

Karen
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Speaking of movies on tv, we have discussed before the letterbox thing,
haven't we?  I'm guessing that y'all just love that style.  I hate it.
I'm willing to give up whatever is on the perimeter rather than having
to watch a movie on a skinny strip with black above and below it.  (Yes,
I realize that there are some tv sets that are shaped that way -- i.e.,
shaped to accommodate that style.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 12:36:26 PM, you wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Do you still call them patrons?

> I don't very often, but it's still common usage. I prefer "library users" or
> just "users" or to be more specific by group: "students", "faculty", etc.
> The word "patrons" always struck me as odd and old-fashioned. It is my
> feeling that its use is more common in public libraries.

Thanks. I was wondering if 'users' was a common thing. I called
my public library, who were much amused, and they said 'patrons'
or 'customers'.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 1:51:47 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> Tushar:T
>
> The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good

This is timely.  I just remembered that this is the anniversary of the
day the music died.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 6:05:58 PM, you wrote:
> Speaking of movies on tv, we have discussed before the letterbox thing,
> haven't we?  I'm guessing that y'all just love that style.  I hate it.
> I'm willing to give up whatever is on the perimeter rather than having
> to watch a movie on a skinny strip with black above and below it.  (Yes,
> I realize that there are some tv sets that are shaped that way -- i.e.,
> shaped to accommodate that style.)

Karsten has one.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, February 3, 2003, 4:11:29 PM, you wrote:

This "you wrote" is really *pissing me off* ...

> > They need to do calculus on the fly to figure dosage.
>
> I will *never* be a pharmacist!

Calculus to figure out dosage? How so?

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> >You go, girl.  The young whippersnapper knows not of what he speaks!
>
> On this date in 1959, near Clear Lake, Iowa, the music died.

Egads.  Clyde and I are -- I won't say cloning -- are <uttering alike>.

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02003-02-03 | Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> I don't feel old

Oh, then you are young! I read it on words-l!

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I drank instant coffee until I was in my late forties.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> In that case you have no right to speak about coffee.

But there are some people who believe that instant rules and that people
like you (and me now that I drink non-instant) are the misguided.  They
might say that we have no right.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I recently bought instant coffee, but it was to use in cooking.

What were you cooking that required coffee?

> She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
> he throws  up.

So you saw that recent metaphor mailing also.  I did find some of them
pretty funny, including this one.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Although I realize that it has been used often to refer to library
> > users, I think these days my first thought upon hearing the term
> > "library patron" would be somebody who contributes large amounts of
> > money to a library.  That seems to be today's most common use of the
> > word in many contexts.
>
> That's actually why I asked. But this is a public library
> situation, so I'm leaving it as 'library patron'.

I don't get the "but."  I do get the leaving it since I do think that
"library patron" has a long and honorable usage as "one who uses the
library."  What I don't get is the "this is a public library" in
relation to patrons who contribute.  Lots of people choose public
libraries as major recipients of their contributions.  My high school
class gave as our reunion gift something like $10,000 to the Jackson
public library.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 6:12:38 PM, you wrote:

> 02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, February 3, 2003, 4:11:29 PM, you wrote:

> This "you wrote" is really *pissing me off* ...

>> > They need to do calculus on the fly to figure dosage.
>>
>> I will *never* be a pharmacist!

> Calculus to figure out dosage? How so?

Don't ask me; I never took calculus.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Returning to our earlier discussion of the cost of going to Hawaii:  I
was thinking about having made Spencer's Furrbabies reservations and,
though I'm still pretty sure I like my Grand Tour of Mississippi idea, I
decided to do some web checking on other possibilities.  I checked three
possible destinations -- Prague, because I've been wanting to go there;
Paris, because it's there as an obvious choice; Honolulu, because of our
recent discussions.  Rounding off the figures (rt from here -- same
dates), they're these:  Prague $500, Paris $400, Honolulu $1200.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>But there are some people who believe that instant rules and that people
>like you (and me now that I drink non-instant) are the misguided.  They
>might say that we have no right.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I thank the good lord I never met anyone like that.  They are utterly
wrong.  No clear-thinking person would agree with them.


    --bonniev

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Betty Clark wrote:

> These kind of trips are fun, too.  Turn up the music and toss your empties
> out the window!

Oh yes.  And I really have never done exactly this kind of trip before,
which makes it even more appealing.  The only reason for pondering other
possibilities is the thought of squandering the cheap-to-faraway-places
time, which spring break is usually at the end of.  I'm going to have
amazing amounts of free time coming up, but it's high-cost time re
faraway places.  My mind is boggled at the thought that I am going to be
off *ALL SUMMER*.  I feel as if I'm returning to childhood, when summers
were OFF.  There's no way I can teach summer school, since I'm already
at the max re the retirement rules.  I seriously cannot conceive yet of
the feeling of not working in the summer.  But back to the point.
Travel in March is much cheaper than travel in summer.  And I just can't
get it really stuck into my head that I could do something like my Grand
Tour of Mississippi in June.  I've never ever had a free June (or at
least not since childhood).  Still, though, I like my idea of the spring
break trip.  That is almost certainly what I'm going to do.

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Betty Clark wrote:

> >I've heard that "Chicago" is good.
>
> Very good.  Excellent even.

So I've heard.

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At 04:41 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:

>I'd like to state that my youth almost ended before I was born ..

This is true.  You emerged from the womb as a 40-year-old.

cwv

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On 3 Feb 2003 at 18:05, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I'm willing to give up whatever is on the perimeter rather than having
> to watch a movie on a skinny strip with black above and below it.

If you really like it that way, I'll send you my VHS copy of Battle
Hymn, which is full of dialogue between a narrow sliver of face on
the left and a narrow sliver of face on the right with a with a
great big patch of nothing but background covering most of the
screen in the middle.

    mem

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of bonniev
>Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:23 PM
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>
>
>> > We saw Minority report in the theater and enjoyed it.
>>
>>The year you think music, movies etc stopped being good
>>is ... the year your youth ended
>
>I'm still young because I thought Chicago was excellent.   I'm
>not sure I
>would have enjoyed it on a laptop, however.
>
>
>    --bonniev
>

I saw the movie "The Rock" and hated it. The reason was, I saw it on a three
inch screen on a plane. Saw on TV and loved it.

alec

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Doris Markland wrote:

> What is the letterbox thing?
>
> I hate watching the skinny strip movies.  I hate that the
> new TV's will be shaped that way.

The letterbox thing = the skinny strip movies.  (Why is it called
letterbox?)  I'm not sure what I'll think of tv's that are shaped that
way, but I definitely dislike seeing that skinny strip on a today's
shape tv.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> > I'm willing to give up whatever is on the perimeter rather than having
> > to watch a movie on a skinny strip with black above and below it.
>
> If you really like it that way, I'll send you my VHS copy of Battle
> Hymn, which is full of dialogue between a narrow sliver of face on
> the left and a narrow sliver of face on the right with a with a
> great big patch of nothing but background covering most of the
> screen in the middle.

Doesn't sound like a movie I'd be interested in watching.  But thanks
for the offer.

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On 3 Feb 2003 at 19:12, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doesn't sound like a movie I'd be interested in watching.  But thanks for
> the offer.

What? You're not a Rock Hudson fan?


    mem

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I was until I found out he was gay.  Nothing against gays, but it did
> sort of put a crimp into my lust for him.

But I still lust after BrP!  He's different from Rock.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 6:18:46 PM, you wrote:
> What were you cooking that required coffee?

Brown bread.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > What were you cooking that required coffee?
>
> Brown bread.

Sounds disgusting.  I don't want coffee in my bread.  The rock-bottom
worst is coffee icecream, of course.

I'm feeling happy right now, though, for just having written Jack Sunn,
a question-answerer for the Clarion-Ledger.  (My friend Katherine,
long-time resident of Unreal Maine, was Jack Sunn at one point in her
career.)  Anyway, it suddenly occurred to me a few minutes ago that I
could write Jack Sunn to inquire about exactly when Jackson High School
became Central High School.  An obvious answer to young people might be
that it was when Murrah and Provine were built since before that Central
was the only white high school in Jackson.  But that isn't the answer.
I've got newspaper clippings of my parents' hs years that refer to it as
Central.  Yet I also remember my mother's singing in the car when in my
early childhood we drove to Vicksburg on some Thanksgivings to the
football game, and I know that the song ended with "three cheers for
Jackson and JHS."  The whole song was, without the tune which is really
much needed for the proper rendering, "Mississippi is the fairest of all
the states in the land.  Our boys and girls are rarest, a fine and
sturdy band.  [poopumpoopum -- musical interlude].  We're proud of our
capital, its schools none the less.  So three cheers for Jackson and
J-H-S."

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>>What were you cooking that required coffee?
>>>
>>Brown bread.
>>
>
> Sounds disgusting.  I don't want coffee in my bread.  The rock-bottom
> worst is coffee icecream, of course.


        Both are Yankee treats, of course.




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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Sounds disgusting.  I don't want coffee in my bread.  The rock-bottom
> > worst is coffee icecream, of course.
>
>         Both are Yankee treats, of course.

I'm surprised.  I had never thought of coffee implanted into other items
as Yankee.  I've known plenty of Southerners who liked that kind of
stuff.  Live and learn.

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>But there are some people who believe that instant rules and that people
>like you (and me now that I drink non-instant) are the misguided.  They
>might say that we have no right.

It may rule - but it is not coffee. Coffe is brewed.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> It may rule - but it is not coffee. Coffe is brewed.

Is brewed the same thing as percolated?  I remember a grad course I took
at night (not at UT -- this was when getting my MA) when each person
took a turn at making the coffee for the night and that it involved
percolaters (sp?).  I didn't have one, but I borrowed one for when it
was my turn.  I didn't partake of the result because the idea of coffee
at night has always made me gag.  But I did my thing for the seminar,
and nobody seemed to find my coffee bad.  That was my introduction to
making coffee that wasn't instant.  (There was never anything but
instant coffee in my house in my growing-up years, though that wasn't
really something that affected by life one way or another since I
wouldn't have been <partaking> in those years anyway.)

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02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, February 3, 2003, 6:12:38 PM, you wrote:
> > 02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Monday, February 3, 2003, 4:11:29 PM, you wrote:
>
> > This "you wrote" is really *pissing me off* ...
>
> >> > They need to do calculus on the fly to figure dosage.
> >>
> >> I will *never* be a pharmacist!
>
> > Calculus to figure out dosage? How so?
>
> Don't ask me; I never took calculus.

I'm not asking you, I'm asking whomever you quoted. As for
calculus, WTF kinda education did you get?

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:07:42 PM, you wrote:
> As for
> calculus, WTF kinda education did you get?

Don't make me cry, MathGeek!

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> Coffee ice
> cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
> associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.

As I said, live and learn.  I had no idea that coffee icecream was
Yankee.  I've known of it for as long as I can remember (but have never
liked it).  I thought a cabinet was a milkshake.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:14:33 PM, you wrote:
> Remember a post a few weeks ago where I shared my discovery of a craze that is sweeping the patio grilling world. It is known by various names such as Drunken Chicken or Let The Chicken Do The
> Drinkin.' In its basic form a beer can half full of beer is stuffed into a chicken's <cavity> and slow cooked in the grill for 2 hours. Safety concerns about paint from the can getting into the
> chicken meat, along with man's everpresent need to make useful, yet beautiful things, led to the development of the inevitable Texas Chicken Cooker. Hand-welded of stainless steel, it is the pride
> of the patio griller's art. Mine arrived in the mail today and I share these photos with you so you may partake of my bliss, if not my drunken chicken.

> http://tinyurl.com/5asp

How do you use it to cook?

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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And what is he up to?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Does someone want to phone Alyce tomorrow? I can, but I'm happy
to backchannel her phone number if someone else wants to.

Karen
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02003-02-03 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Remember a post a few weeks ago where I shared my discovery of a craze
> that is sweeping the patio grilling world. It is known by various names
> such as Drunken Chicken or Let The Chicken Do The Drinkin.' In its basic
> form a beer can half full of beer is stuffed into a chicken's <cavity> and
> slow cooked in the grill for 2 hours. Safety concerns about paint from the
> can getting into the chicken meat, along with man's everpresent need to
> make useful, yet beautiful things, led to the development of the
> inevitable Texas Chicken Cooker. Hand-welded of stainless steel, it is the
> pride of the patio griller's art. Mine arrived in the mail today and I
> share these photos with you so you may partake of my bliss, if not my
> drunken chicken.

I feel the greatest need to point out that this can be found
on several Chinese menus. Did you know that? Maybe not. Let
me mention it here.

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:13:53 PM, you wrote:

> 02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:07:42 PM, you wrote:
>> > As for calculus, WTF kinda education did you get?
>>
>> Don't make me cry, MathGeek!

> "Geek"... that's one fantastic comeback... Why the hell
> are you crying? I had absolutely no education until 21,
> except what came piecemeal from the family. Now 12 years
> be up, I still have tons of prejudices left, and vast
> gaps.

Welcome to life, Exam Boy.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:13:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> > 02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:07:42 PM, you wrote:
> >> > As for calculus, WTF kinda education did you get?
> >>
> >> Don't make me cry, MathGeek!
>
> > "Geek"... that's one fantastic comeback... Why the hell
> > are you crying? I had absolutely no education until 21,
> > except what came piecemeal from the family. Now 12 years
> > be up, I still have tons of prejudices left, and vast
> > gaps.
>
> Welcome to life, Exam Boy.

Who made you hostess?

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Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:17:47 PM, you wrote:

> 02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:13:53 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > 02003-02-03 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> >> Monday, February 3, 2003, 9:07:42 PM, you wrote:
>> >> > As for calculus, WTF kinda education did you get?
>> >>
>> >> Don't make me cry, MathGeek!
>>
>> > "Geek"... that's one fantastic comeback... Why the hell
>> > are you crying? I had absolutely no education until 21,
>> > except what came piecemeal from the family. Now 12 years
>> > be up, I still have tons of prejudices left, and vast
>> > gaps.
>>
>> Welcome to life, Exam Boy.

> Who made you hostess?

I think My Evil Twin did.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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> I feel the greatest need to point out that this can be found
> on several Chinese menus. Did you know that? Maybe not. Let
> me mention it here.

With a Texas-shaped cooker? I think not!

-aht

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>Do you still call them patrons?
>
>Karen

At our academic library, we do indeed call them patrons.

However, our soon-to-be colleagues over at the public library apparently
have been indoctrinated to call them customers.  Undoubtedly we will do so
too, once we have been assimilated.

Ken Miller
Custos Librorum
Jared Bean School of Librarianship

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>And what is he up to?
>
>Karen

Consider me pinged, little rabbit.

I'm not doing anything particularly interesting, other than impassively
tracking the approaching iceberg.

Ken Miller
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Monday, February 3, 2003, 11:24:26 PM, you wrote:

>>And what is he up to?
>>
>>Karen

> Consider me pinged, little rabbit.

:)

> I'm not doing anything particularly interesting, other than impassively
> tracking the approaching iceberg.

Oh, dear. That does not sound like fun. Does the occasional Kwak
pass your way?

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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At 09:12 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, Rita wrote:

>  Coffee ice
>cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
>associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.

When I was living in Rhode Island, a "cabinet" was what you ordered when
you wanted what I'd call a "milk shake" in most parts of the country --
i.e., it included ice cream, which might or might not be coffee-flavored.

--Elaine

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:56:43PM -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
= On 3 Feb 2003 at 18:05, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= > I'm willing to give up whatever is on the perimeter rather than having
= > to watch a movie on a skinny strip with black above and below it.
=
= If you really like it that way, I'll send you my VHS copy of Battle
= Hymn, which is full of dialogue between a narrow sliver of face on
= the left and a narrow sliver of face on the right with a with a
= great big patch of nothing but background covering most of the
= screen in the middle.
=
=     mem

We rented on VHS The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.  During the
cemetery shoot out at the end, only two of them could fit on the
screen at any given time.

When we got this tv we discussed a lot whether we should get
widescreen or not.  We noticed that all the wide screen tv's had
different distortions of a normal tv signal.  I suppose if you
only had to look at one, you'd get used to it.

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13:36 03.02.2003 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>Do you still call them patrons?
>
>I don't very often, but it's still common usage. I prefer "library users" or
>just "users" or to be more specific by group: "students", "faculty", etc.
>The word "patrons" always struck me as odd and old-fashioned. It is my
>feeling that its use is more common in public libraries.

I was at the LIBER conference in Graz last summer, and none of the presenters (except for me, and I come from a university-research/museum background in this connection) used any other term than 'patrons'. Of course most of the presenters were ESL speakers, so they might more easily get stuck with the term they had learned.

Espen

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10:37 03.02.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 09:20 AM 2/3/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>>On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 07:35:21PM -0800, Betty wrote:
>>= At 09:26 PM 2/2/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>= >Betty wrote:
>>= >
>>= > > Get over it. There is backpacking and then there is camping.
>>= >
>>= >I'm over it.  I haven't camped in years now.  But what I called camping
>>= >wasn't necessarily backpacking.  It was at least as likely to be bicycle
>>= >camping or canoe camping.  I did not call staying in campgrounds
>>= >camping.  I called it staying in campgrounds.
>>=
>>= I know what you mean. Lorinda refused to sleep in our RV.  We had to get a
>>= tent.
>>=
>>= I like the hot water and refrigerator, plus not having to go out in the
>>= cold to pee during the night or early morning. Now we have TV, antennae,
>>= microwave. We plug in our Foreman Grill and have a glass of wine while
>>= others are still fighting with their charcoal. It's not camping.  I'm too
>>= old for camping.
>>=
>>= Betty
>>
>>I'm going camping with you.
>
>
>You're welcome any time!  By the time I retire I plan to be able to plug my
>cell phone into my laptop so I can e-mail Brad instead of calling him and
>check out maps to see where we are.

I will find some of the photos I have from our camping in the summer of 2001. Just when we had moved all our stuff into the flat and most of it was still in boxes five levels high, we decided to take i hike with our tent in the forest surrounding Oslo. The only electricity we had was in my torch and in my camera.

Espen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Coffee ice
>>cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
>>associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.
>>
>
> As I said, live and learn.  I had no idea that coffee icecream was
> Yankee.  I've known of it for as long as I can remember (but have never
> liked it).  I thought a cabinet was a milkshake.


        Made with coffee ice cream.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Elaine M Brennan wrote:
>
> At 09:12 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, Rita wrote:
>
> >  Coffee ice
> >cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
> >associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.
>
> When I was living in Rhode Island, a "cabinet" was what you ordered when
> you wanted what I'd call a "milk shake" in most parts of the country --
> i.e., it included ice cream, which might or might not be coffee-flavored.

That's always been my understanding of what a cabinet was in RI (or at
least "always" in the sense of however long it's been since I first
heard of that kind of cabinet).

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steph wrote:

> widescreen or not.  We noticed that all the wide screen tv's had
> different distortions of a normal tv signal.  I suppose if you
> only had to look at one, you'd get used to it.

I'd forgotten about that.  I've heard people mention that before -- that
people's faces were scrunched, making them look weird, etc.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > liked it).  I thought a cabinet was a milkshake.
>
>         Made with coffee ice cream.

I've had vanilla cabinets.

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At 08:59 AM 2/4/2003 +0100, steph wrote:

>When we got this tv we discussed a lot whether we should get
>widescreen or not.  We noticed that all the wide screen tv's had
>different distortions of a normal tv signal.  I suppose if you
>only had to look at one, you'd get used to it.

According to the gentleman at Circuit City, once HDTV becomes the norm, all
transmissions will be in wide-screen.  One of the mega$ sets he
demonstrated had the capability of changing the aspect ratio---much I
suppose as Espen's set does.  In bouncing among three such ratio settings,
it was fairly clear that the "normal" picture was in fact the most distorted.

cwv

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>"Patron" might be old-fashioned but it's much less impersonal
>than "user" or "client". And less crass than "customer". And
>less vague than "visitor".

I prefer "students" or "faculty" which is more personal, and can see why
"patrons" would be used when there is no more specific word, but I just
don't like that word, and it isn't well understood by today's "users".

Come on, libraries need a euphemism
>which dresses up thheir users in a pleasanter garb. It's part
>of the concept of a library.

That's gross.

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>From: Elaine M Brennan <elaine.personal.lists@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>>  Coffee ice
>>cream is also known as a Cabinet, and is most commonly
>>associated with Rhode Island and southeastern MA.
>
>When I was living in Rhode Island, a "cabinet" was what you ordered when
>you wanted what I'd call a "milk shake" in most parts of the country --
>i.e., it included ice cream, which might or might not be coffee-flavored.

That's how I understood it too. The New York Times did a big article on
Rhode Island food not too long ago.

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>From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
development of the inevitable Texas Chicken Cooker. Hand-welded of stainless
steel, it is the pride of the patio griller's art. Mine arrived in the mail
today and I share these photos with you so you may partake of my bliss, if
not my drunken chicken.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5asp

Leave it to Texas to try and steal the idea, make it their own, and get it
all wrong.

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Back from a long weekend in Toronto.  Steve had a very sweet surprise for me - we
stayed at the Royal York Hotel - 10th floor, looking out at the lake - it was elegant
and romantic.


If you're interested,  go to Fairmont.com and select Hotels and Reasorts / Canada /
City Hotels


BrP


a little history of the place:
On June 11, 1929, the hotel officially opened as The Royal York. It was the tallest building in
the British Commonwealth and quickly set the hospitality standard of the day. The
magnificent hotel became known as a city within a city, rising in 28 floors of architectural
splendor and replete with mechanical genius and opulence never before seen in Toronto. It
boasted 1,048 rooms - each with radios, private showers and bathtubs. The 1.5 acres of public
rooms included a 12-bed hospital, 12,000-book library and ten ornate passenger elevators.
The Concert Hall featured a full stage and mammoth pipe organ weighing 50 tons, which
surpassed anything else in Canada with 300 miles of copper wire. There was a glass-enclosed
roof garden, the largest hotel kitchen in Canada with a bakery that could produce over 15,000
French rolls a day, a 66-ft.long switchboard manned by 35 telephone operators, its own bank
and golf course (now known as St. George Golf & Country).
Later years saw additional renovations, with a $100 million project from 1988 to 1993 that
restored the original elegance with refurbished guestrooms, public spaces, a health club,
skylit lap pool and the first-ever American Express Travel Service Centre.
Today, after welcoming more than 40 million guests, The Fairmont Royal York continues to
epitomize gracious hospitality. Although the years have brought changes, many features are
still intact - the magnificent hand-painted ceilings, the travertine pillars, ornate furnishings,
crystal chandeliers and wall hangings. Guests walk where the rich and famous walk: elevator
number nine still carries illustrious guests such as Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. On the big
screen, The Fairmont Royal York, like the Waldorf Astoria, Biltmore and The Plaza in New
York before her, has been featured in numerous movies. Guest rooms have taken audiences to
Boston, New York, Poland, Vienna and the U.K., without ever leaving Toronto.
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>From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
> >Do you still call them patrons?
>
>At our academic library, we do indeed call them patrons.

Oh, many do here too. I just don't. I dislike the word. I think I find it
pretentious, dressed up in all that fancy garb.

>However, our soon-to-be colleagues over at the public library apparently
>have been indoctrinated to call them customers.

Oh, that's the worst!

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> >From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
> > >Do you still call them patrons?
> >
> >At our academic library, we do indeed call them patrons.

    As do we.  Most of the time.

> Oh, many do here too. I just don't. I dislike the word. I think I find it
> pretentious, dressed up in all that fancy garb.
>
> >However, our soon-to-be colleagues over at the public library apparently
> >have been indoctrinated to call them customers.

    When they give me money I'll call them customers.

> Oh, that's the worst!

    Oh, no, there's much worse things you can call them.  8-)

JMW

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"Was it God got mad, like the Indian cad,
who was only a giver, crooked like the river?
Gave you a garden, let it all harden,
then comes the flood, and the loss of your blood?
Pray tell us, good buddy, and don't make it muddy,
who played this trick, on Harry and Dick,
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just what's the point, of this whole joint?"


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>Back from a long weekend in Toronto.  Steve had a very sweet surprise for
>me - we
>stayed at the Royal York Hotel - 10th floor, looking out at the lake - it
>was elegant
>and romantic.       --BrP

Clyde and I stayed there one year during an American Fisheries Society
meeting.   It was years ago.  All I remember is that it had a very nice bar
with very expensive Scotch.   It was on that trip, in Toronto, that I
bought my first pair of Birkenstocks.


    --bonniev

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>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>liked it).  I thought a cabinet was a milkshake.
>
>
>        Made with coffee ice cream.

Is it possible that you are confusing a cabinet with "coffee milk" -- the
Rhode Island state beverage.

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At 09:29 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, marie wrote:

>Leave it to Texas to try and steal the idea, make it their own, and get it
>all wrong.

ayeh.

cwv

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I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
fatal to either party.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Substituting salt for sugar in the break room?




> I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> fatal to either party.
>
> Karen
> A well-rounded little rabbit

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> > I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> > fatal to either party.
> >
> > Karen

On April Fool's Day, someone rubber-banded the handle on the faucet sprayer so
that the person turning on the sink got soaked.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:37 AM, you wrote:
> Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?

How do you even do this?

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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The latest theory seems to be that the chunk of insullation hitting the wing damaged
the tiles at liftoff.  This may or may not turn out to be the cause, but it poses an
interesting question.  If they had determined, while the shuttle was still in orbit, that
the tiles had been fatally damaged, there was no way to repair them - and with no
way to get back without the heat of reentry, they would have known that the crew was
doomed.  If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you would have
told the crew?


BrP

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:38 AM, you wrote:
> On April Fool's Day, someone rubber-banded the handle on the faucet sprayer so
> that the person turning on the sink got soaked.

I think this is a great example, and I'm going to steal it
shamelessly--but how does this work exactly?

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:46:38 AM, you wrote:
> The latest theory seems to be that the chunk of insullation hitting the wing damaged
> the tiles at liftoff.

I heard this within two hours of the breakup.

> If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you would have
> told the crew?

In this case, they decided that it didn't present a problem. I
don't know that you could make the determination that they are
doomed.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:34:12 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot
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>Ooh - just thought of another one.  When I worked on the loading dock in a
>department store, we were often in on practical jokes that the display
staff were up
>to.  One time they took two of the store dummies and arranged them in a sexual
>pose on the store manager's desk.  He pretended to be very upset about it
but was
>clearly amused.

I like this, but I don't think I use it. (Sexual positions and all. It could
be construed as sexual harassment.)

Karen

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:38 AM, you wrote:
> On April Fool's Day, someone rubber-banded the handle on the faucet sprayer so
> that the person turning on the sink got soaked.

I finally got this, I think. Put a rubber band around the handle
so the sprayer was on when the faucet came on.

I'm going to have to try this in my own kitchen.

Btw, I am happy to report that I made coffee this morning without
harming myself.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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09:45 04.02.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:37 AM, you wrote:
>> Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?
>
>How do you even do this?

azerty

For Windows 2000: change the regional setup for languages and keyboard.

Espen

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>The latest theory seems to be that the chunk of insullation hitting the
>wing damaged
>the tiles at liftoff.  This may or may not turn out to be the cause, but
>it poses an
>interesting question.  If they had determined, while the shuttle was still
>in orbit, that
>the tiles had been fatally damaged, there was no way to repair them - and
>with no
>way to get back without the heat of reentry, they would have known that
>the crew was
>doomed.  If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you
>would have
>told the crew?       --BrP

You misphrase the ethical question.  In any case, it would have been the
ethical thing to do to tell the crew.  Whether or not I would have done
that, I can't say.  To not tell the crew is to take choices away from them
which is not your right.  It is not up to you to judge what will or will
not cause them the most grief or unhappiness.   Some may have chosen to
communicate with loved ones, settle affairs, vote on how they wanted to die.


    --bonniev

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> >The latest theory seems to be that the chunk of insullation hitting the
> >wing damaged
> >the tiles at liftoff.  This may or may not turn out to be the cause, but
> >it poses an
> >interesting question.  If they had determined, while the shuttle was still
> >in orbit, that
> >the tiles had been fatally damaged, there was no way to repair them - and
> >with no
> >way to get back without the heat of reentry, they would have known that
> >the crew was
> >doomed.  If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you
> >would have
> >told the crew?       --BrP
>
> You misphrase the ethical question.  I
>
>     --bonniev


How would you phrase it?


BrP

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The sounding would be that of a Downeast Maine accent:  two
syllables,  i  ah .  The meaning is "yes, that is definitely true".

>I'm unclear on the meaning and sounding of "ayeh". It's apparently a
>Clyde-ism. See below.
>
>>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>>At 09:29 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, marie wrote:
>>
>>>Leave it to Texas to try and steal the idea, make it their own, and get it
>>>all wrong.
>>
>>ayeh.
>
>_______________________________________
>Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:45:28 -0500
>jdh:
>>Lessee, that would have been one of those intensive work/study programs
>>under which you evaluated the rice-growing properties of certain soils?
>
>ayeh.
>________________________________________
>Date:         Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:57:53 -0500
>ndh:
>>Probably.  I wonder if they've missed any signs lately.
>
>Ayeh.  They've missed a good many in the past eight yeahhs...
>
>cwv
>_________________________________________
>Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:53:06 -0500
>>Billy Packer was the color guy, by the way, and I almost didn't recognize
>>him.
>>The fellow has aged.  Guess it happens to everyone.
>
>Ayeh.  Billy must be getting a bit long in the tooth.
>__________________________________________
>Date:         Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:08:41 -0500
>>Toss 'em. Even if you do get them open, they don't taste right.
>>
>>Janet
>
>ayeh---just like clams.
>
>cwv
>___________________________________________
>Date:         Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:21:45 -0500
>>Trivia contribution  of the day: Many of the American Indian who lived in
>>your neck of the woods referred to February as the Moon of the hard snow.
>
>Ayeh.  Bonnie will again this late February go aurora-chasing in
>northeastern Wisconsin.
>____________________________________________
>Date:         Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:41:45 -0500
>>Bill's downtown Washington office is also a cost to the public purse, but
>>it's probably a good thing that he's going to be close enough to the White
>>House to pitch in every once in a while.
>
>Ayeh---that's what I'm waiting for.
>
>cwv
>___________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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ew... what was the, um, position?  Missionary?  Oral?  69?


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> Ooh - just thought of another one.  When I worked on the loading dock in a
> department store, we were often in on practical jokes that the display
staff were up
> to.  One time they took two of the store dummies and arranged them in a
sexual
> pose on the store manager's desk.  He pretended to be very upset about it
but was
> clearly amused.
>
>
>
> > I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> > fatal to either party.
> >
> > Karen
> > A well-rounded little rabbit

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> ew... what was the, um, position?  Missionary?  Oral?  69?


TMI

BrP




>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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>
>
> > Ooh - just thought of another one.  When I worked on the loading dock in a
> > department store, we were often in on practical jokes that the display
> staff were up
> > to.  One time they took two of the store dummies and arranged them in a
> sexual
> > pose on the store manager's desk.  He pretended to be very upset about it
> but was
> > clearly amused.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> > > fatal to either party.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > A well-rounded little rabbit

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That's a good one ;-)

Freshman at the Roger Williams URI dining hall, back in 1978, would plug the
drains in the sinks with paper towels, turn on the faucets full blast and
leave...  They did this over the course of several weeks, randomly, a few
days a week during the 3 hours dinner was served, infuriating the custodial
staff who had to mop up.

I think they'd call it malicious mischief, not a mere prank ;-P




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> > > I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> > > fatal to either party.
> > >
> > > Karen
>
> On April Fool's Day, someone rubber-banded the handle on the faucet
sprayer so
> that the person turning on the sink got soaked.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

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Or pull the tops off of the keys and replace them randomly on the keyboard.
('Only works on certain keyboards.)


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> 09:45 04.02.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:37 AM, you wrote:
> >> Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?
> >
> >How do you even do this?
>
> azerty
>
> For Windows 2000: change the regional setup for languages and keyboard.
>
> Espen

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:13:48 AM, you wrote:

>>I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
>>fatal to either party.

> Maybe sprinkle chocolate jimmies on mouse pads?

LOL. I'm so glad I don't work with you guys!

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:16:04 AM, you wrote:
> There are some funny computer things you can do, like run a little program
> that turns your screen upside down, although you have to be really careful
> about viruses.  Examples at
> <http://www.angelfire.com/mn/coolcrapcentral/programs.html> (safety unknown).

Thanks. I need things that are traceable to one person,
unfortunately, and computer stuff usually isn't.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:18:22 AM, you wrote:

> That's a good one ;-)

> Freshman at the Roger Williams URI dining hall, back in 1978, would plug the
> drains in the sinks with paper towels, turn on the faucets full blast and
> leave...  They did this over the course of several weeks, randomly, a few
> days a week during the 3 hours dinner was served, infuriating the custodial
> staff who had to mop up.

> I think they'd call it malicious mischief, not a mere prank ;-P

Yes. I don't need examples of malicious mischief.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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> Or pull the tops off of the keys and replace them randomly on the keyboard.
> ('Only works on certain keyboards.)

This only works for people (like me) who look at the keyboard while typing.

BrP






>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Espen Ore" <Espen.Ore@NB.NO>
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> > 09:45 04.02.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
> > >Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:36:37 AM, you wrote:
> > >> Changing the keyboard setup from QWERTY to AZERTY?
> > >
> > >How do you even do this?
> >
> > azerty
> >
> > For Windows 2000: change the regional setup for languages and keyboard.
> >
> > Espen

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:24:39 AM, you wrote:

>> I finally got this, I think. Put a rubber band around the handle
>> so the sprayer was on when the faucet came on.

> Yes, that's exactly it. Everyone always turns on the faucet full-pressure.

> Poor Veerle was NOT amused.

Well, yeah. I can see the potential for disaster. But that's what
conflict is all about.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
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At 11:06 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, bonnie wrote:
>The sounding would be that of a Downeast Maine accent:  two
>syllables,  i  ah .  The meaning is "yes, that is definitely true".

ayeh.

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On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 9:43, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> Back from a long weekend in Toronto.  Steve had a very sweet surprise
> for me - we stayed at the Royal York Hotel - 10th floor, looking out
> at the lake - it was elegant and romantic.
>
>
> If you're interested,  go to Fairmont.com and select Hotels and
> Reasorts / Canada / City Hotels

There's an alternative view at
http://www.infiltration.org/hotels-ryork.html

Tony H.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:33:41 AM, you wrote:

>> >> > gaps.
>> >>
>> >> Welcome to life, Exam Boy.
>>
>> > Who made you hostess?
>>
>> I think My Evil Twin did.
>>
>> Karen
>> She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
>> he throws  up.

> Hey!

Hey! yourself. You didn't make me hostess? You don't have a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up?  What?

Karen

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> On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 9:43, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>
> > Back from a long weekend in Toronto.  Steve had a very sweet surprise
> > for me - we stayed at the Royal York Hotel - 10th floor, looking out
> > at the lake - it was elegant and romantic.
> >
> >
> > If you're interested,  go to Fairmont.com and select Hotels and
> > Reasorts / Canada / City Hotels
>
> There's an alternative view at
> http://www.infiltration.org/hotels-ryork.html
>
> Tony H.

Very cool Tony - thanks. It's especially interesting to read <on the heels> of just
having been there.


BrP

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OK. I am home. I cannot re-s*ub. I am reading the instructions, but it
is not happening. WIll someone please write to me and tell me how to get
back on?

alyce

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So, my friend Nadine came to get me at 10am. We walk into the house and
are met by a blast of air as cold as that outside. Sometime between
Sunday aft and today the furnace stopped doing its thing. Repairs came
quickly...they just left, having installed a new pump. Wonder how much
that will cost. Anyway, being in a cold house is just what an invalid
needs. Then, as I sat here trying to clean out 4,455 messages, I began
feeling poorly. Looked at my O2 machine and found that it was only
delivering half of what I should get and I could not turn the dial up.
Emergency call got that fixed--an obstruction in the tubing, which never
had happened in all these four+ years. So, it is good to know that I can
function on less than optimal O2, but I suppose that the amount of O2 in
my blood fell to about zero and destroyed some brain cells.

Meanwhile, the pseudomonas bacterium is gone. My left lung and lower
right are clear. X-ray shows upper right lobe still has something
hanging around. Now we have to decide course of action. Pulmonologist
wants me to have invasive thoracic biopsy, which is very heavy work and
perhaps I could not withstand it. My b-i-l had one like that last year
and it almost has knocked him out of action for many months--and he a
big strong athletic type, not a frail old lady. Other doctors suggest
another bronchosopic biopsy like I had a few weeks ago. For whatever
reason, a biopsy of the upper right lobe was not done at that time. And
I now am trying to reach another pulmonologist for yet another opinion.

God, it is cold.

alyce

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=
= There's an alternative view at
= http://www.infiltration.org/hotels-ryork.html
=
= Tony H.

I love these guys.  I recently spent a lot of time at this site
reading their visits to hotel pools.

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>Meanwhile, the pseudomonas bacterium is gone. My left lung and lower
>right are clear. X-ray shows upper right lobe still has something
>hanging around. Now we have to decide course of action. Pulmonologist
>wants me to have invasive thoracic biopsy, which is very heavy work and
>perhaps I could not withstand it. My b-i-l had one like that last year
>and it almost has knocked him out of action for many months--and he a
>big strong athletic type, not a frail old lady. Other doctors suggest
>another bronchosopic biopsy like I had a few weeks ago. For whatever
>reason, a biopsy of the upper right lobe was not done at that time. And
>I now am trying to reach another pulmonologist for yet another opinion.
>
>God, it is cold.
>
>alyce
>

Welcome home!

Did they do a contrast MRI? It might show more detail in the area. It is
painless and quick.


alec

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Alyce, Glad to hear you are home. Although it worries me that you are in
that big house alone. What hospital were you in?

Hope you get warm and all the oxygen you need...

Marie

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I know you are glad to be home even if it is cold.  Is Meals on Wheels back
on schedule for you?

Betty

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> Did they do a contrast MRI? It might show more detail in the area. It is
> painless and quick.

No MRI. They are thinking maybe of a PTscan, which I'd have to go to
Albany to get. But first I am to have another CTscan on the 17th to see
if anything changes. I am resisting the surgery thing with some vigor at
this time.

alyce

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> Alyce, Glad to hear you are home. Although it worries me that you are in
> that big house alone. What hospital were you in?
>
I was in the Hudson hospital. It was not bad, and I was surprised to
find it better than the one in Rhinebeck. I'd have thought that the rich
of Dutchess County would have superior facilities, but I don't think so
now. The nurses and aides and all were really outstanding and even the
food was not bad.

alyce

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Betty Clark wrote:
 Is Meals on Wheels back
> on schedule for you?

No. They need two-day notice and I didn't know I was coming home till
late yesterday. But Jeff is coming to visit on Thursday for a week, so I
will just wait to resume meals till after he's gone.

alyce

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steph wrote:
>
> I love to hear you complain.

OK. I aim to please. It is still cold. I feel as if I will never get
warm. It will take a few hours to get the house warm--all that water in
the baseboard things has to heat up. Now I want to go to the bathroom,
but am resisting it because I will have to take off my coat. Why?
Because I am wearing overalls, and I cannot lower those without removing
the coat first.

alyce

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Alyce!

I'm so glad you're home! Even if it is cold...

I was planning to phone you this afternoon, but I guess I can
cross that off my list of things to do.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws  up.

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Don't have time to look at it, but... a 4.9MB downloadable video, "Switch to
Canada," parodying the Apple switch ads.

http://bantha.cjb.net/

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  Put a rubber band around the handle
> so the sprayer was on when the faucet came on.
>
> I'm going to have to try this in my own kitchen.

You haven't had enough of cleaning up a mess in you kitchen, as I see :)

> Btw, I am happy to report that I made coffee this morning without
> harming myself.

Well, this explains, of course, why you can afford new adventurous experiences.

Kristin
P.S. You wrote as an answer to me,

>>Unfortunately, so it'll remain today, that is, there'll be one more day
>> behind, tomorrow.

>Oh-oh! Each day makes it harder to catch up.

You were most right. I do not want to stay nomail, but evidently during coming days
there'll be many messages to be deleted.

Kr.

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On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 19:25, steph wrote:

> = There's an alternative view at
> = http://www.infiltration.org/hotels-ryork.html

> I love these guys.  I recently spent a lot of time at this site
> reading their visits to hotel pools.

The visits to that abandoned station in Buffalo, NY are pretty neat
too. I'm working on some historic material for them on Toronto
tunnels and such I visited as a teenager. Nostalgia, etc.

Tony H.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 2:43:27 PM, you wrote:
> The visits to that abandoned station in Buffalo, NY are pretty neat
> too. I'm working on some historic material for them on Toronto
> tunnels and such I visited as a teenager. Nostalgia, etc.

You're going to turn into a blogger!

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 2:35:05 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>  Put a rubber band around the handle
>> so the sprayer was on when the faucet came on.
>>
>> I'm going to have to try this in my own kitchen.

> You haven't had enough of cleaning up a mess in you kitchen, as I see :)

It's just water--and the kitchen has to be cleaned every day.

>> Btw, I am happy to report that I made coffee this morning without
>> harming myself.

> Well, this explains, of course, why you can afford new adventurous experiences.

LOL.

> Kristin
> P.S. You wrote as an answer to me,

>>>Unfortunately, so it'll remain today, that is, there'll be one more day
>>> behind, tomorrow.

>>Oh-oh! Each day makes it harder to catch up.

> You were most right. I do not want to stay nomail, but evidently during coming days
> there'll be many messages to be deleted.

Yes.:)

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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>Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Don't have time to look at it, but... a 4.9MB downloadable video,
> "Switch to
> > Canada," parodying the Apple switch ads.
> >
> > http://bantha.cjb.net/
>
>     And it gets the crap fisked out of it at;
>     http://www.bondwine.com/gulag/archives/000053.html
>JMW

Nice, John.   Good to hear a Canadian say something good about the USA for
a change.  I've been on two different lists where the Canadians were horrid
after 9/11 and then offended when Americans felt the need to defend ourselves.


    --bonniev

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--On Tuesday, February 04, 2003, 9:58 AM -0500 Marie Ascher
<lounge_ascher@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>> liked it).  I thought a cabinet was a milkshake.
>>
>>
>>        Made with coffee ice cream.
>
> Is it possible that you are confusing a cabinet with "coffee milk" -- the
> Rhode Island state beverage.
>
> Marie
>


As a native RIer, coffee milk is milk with coffee syrup added, a cabinet is
a thick milk shake of whatever flavor.  If coffee flavored is desired, it
is a coffee cabinet.  I'm not sure how widespread the word is still used.
I haven't seen it in a long time, and I refer to the drink usually as a
milkshake.

Terry

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:54:50 EST, Doris Markland <dorism212@AOL.COM> wrote:

>It seems to me that movies get worse and worse.
>They promise so much and are usually disappointing.
>The latest batch I rented were really clunkers IMO.
>Unfaithful . . no plot.  Minority Report . . turned it off
>after 10 miserable minutes.  Bloodwork . . Eastwood
>good but book was better.  (Did they change the plot?)
>
>I wonder if watching on a laptop killed them or if
>they really were that bad.

Minority Report was actually quite good, but I think it would lose a lot on
a small screen -- and probably wouldn't be all that much fun for folks who
aren't into the whole Philip K. Dick mindset. Didn't see Unfaithful -- the
last thing I need is another people-getting-punished-for-sex movie.
Bloodwork was a predictable yawn.

You're in for better times in a few months when the current crop comes out
on DVD. Chicago is the best I've seen so far, but 25th Hour isn't too far
behind. Have also enjoyed Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and Adaptation,
the former more than the latter. Nicholas Nickleby was a disappointment. I
hope to see Lost In La Mancha tonight.

Janet
not setting mail quite yet
but stopping by to see how things are

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
>  although a little
> too religious for me.
>
If I may say so, the emphasis on religion connected with this sad event
was way over the top and I found it offensive. Not just George's speech,
but the entire CNN and other network coverage, showing each person's
church service all day Sunday, etc., etc.

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In a message dated 02/04/2003 8:50:53 AM Central Standard Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<
Oh, no, there's much worse things you can call them.  8-)


>>

"Fresh meat," "victims," ...

Evelyn Duncan
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cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 02/04/2003 9:47:41 AM Central Standard Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you would have
told the crew?

>>

Yes; it would have prepared them for what would most likely happen,
and maybe one of them would have come up with a solution.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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I stopped by Whole Foods (pricey organic market) to see if I
could find some good vitamin shakes for my dad (I did).  I
pulled into the lot behind a Lexus, parked next to a Land
Rover, and followed a BMW out.  I was driving my Mercedes.

I walked in, and they had organic Fuji apples on sale for
$2.99/lb.  I bought non-organic Fugi apples the other day at
the regular grocery for 89 cents a pound.  Some of the other
prices floored me, as well.  On the other hand, I did find a
few things, like Luna bars and yoghurt, that were cheaper
than at Schnucks.  I think I would go broke if I did regular
grocery shopping at Whole Foods.

It is only the rich that can afford to eat that way.

But I did find the wasabi chips I've been craving.

--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Marie Ascher wrote:

>> From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> development of the inevitable Texas Chicken Cooker. Hand-welded of
> stainless
> steel, it is the pride of the patio griller's art. Mine arrived in the mail
> today and I share these photos with you so you may partake of my bliss, if
> not my drunken chicken.
>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5asp
>
>
> Leave it to Texas to try and steal the idea, make it their own, and get it
> all wrong.
>
> Marie


        I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
the turkey frier.






--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 04:52 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, rita wrote:

>>Leave it to Texas to try and steal the idea, make it their own, and get it
>>all wrong.
>>
>>Marie
>
>
>        I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
>housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
>the turkey frier.

;--)

My speculation on the invention of the turkey deep-fryer goes like this:

A bunch of Bubbas were sitting around, finishing off the last of two cases
of long-neck PBRs.  They had run out of catfish to cremate.  Their host
disappears into the house, then comes back with a whole frozen turkey,
approaches the vat of seething oil and says: "Hey, y'all, watch
this!"  Months later, when the bandages come off, his buddies cook another
to commemorate the occasion.

cwv

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:13:21 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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I'm looking for a good, classic work of fiction about
Vietnam that would be suitable for a 14-year-old.  Any
suggestions?  I don't read war novels, so I'm not sure where
to start.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Janet Hardy writes,

>Minority Report was actually quite good,

Yes,

>but I think it would lose a lot on a small screen

yes, probably, but it still might be okay, except for...

>  -- and probably wouldn't be all that much fun for folks who
>aren't into the whole Philip K. Dick mindset.

Definitely.  Johanne watched it with me at home, and she had real problems
with it until I described it as a genre piece, with all sorts of cinematic
idioms that she didn't know (and a complete lack of others that she
expected).  It made a lot more sense to her then, and instead of hating it,
she could just be bored by it. :)

Pete

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In a message dated 2/4/2003 3:45:46 PM Central Standard Time,
verdie@EARTHLINK.NET writes:


> . Didn't see Unfaithful -- the last thing I need is another
people-getting-punished-for-sex movie.
>
>
>
> Janet
>

Guess I don't think that describes the plot.
As far as I could tell, both sex and murder
went unpunished and the movie ended with
the hint that the perpetrators would live
happily ever after., together.

                - D. M.

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In a message dated 2/4/2003 4:20:53 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> If I may say so, the emphasis on religion connected with this sad event
> was way over the top and I found it offensive. Not just George's speech,
> but the entire CNN and other network coverage, showing each person's
> church service all day Sunday, etc., etc.
>
> alyce
>
>

Maybe they checked with the families on this.  After all,
it was all about where they are coming from, not where
we are coming from.

Good to have you back, Alyce.  Hope you're warm by now.

                   - D. M.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 5:13:21 PM, you wrote:
> I'm looking for a good, classic work of fiction about
> Vietnam that would be suitable for a 14-year-old.  Any
> suggestions?  I don't read war novels, so I'm not sure where
> to start.

Did you look at Tim O'Brien? I have no idea what is suitable for
a 14-year-old, though.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 4:49:54 PM, you wrote:
> I stopped by Whole Foods (pricey organic market) to see if I

Did you check out the olive bar?

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 5:35:49 PM, you wrote:
> How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
> first Birkenstocks.  I bought my first in Chicago at a store named "Take
> a Walk" on or near Clarke Street -- general vicinity of Lawrence of
> Oregano, part of the Lettuce Entertain You chain, in July 1980.  That
> was a fun summer.

I bought mine in 1974.

Karen
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I am happy to have you back, Alyce.
>
The pleasure is mine. Thank you. And everybody.

alyce


--
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518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
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At 05:33 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> > >>However, our soon-to-be colleagues over at the public library apparently
> > >>have been indoctrinated to call them customers.
> >
> > > Oh, that's the worst!
> >
> > Why? That's what my library is moving towards.
>
>I don't think "customer" sounds at all right for a library.  I guess if
>a library charges people, it might work.  But for ordinary libraries
>that allow free borrowing of books and free use of non-circulating
>stuff, I think "customer" sounds way weird.  For some reason it sounds
>odder to me than "client."  I think "user" works.  Is the problem with
>"user" that it suggests taking drugs or something?
>...
>The United Airlines telemarketer who called me in the middle of that
>last sentence was a nice man.  He apologized in a sincere-sounding tone
>when I responded to his "because you're a valued customer of United" by
>telling him that I was not at all a valued customer of United -- that
>afaik United doesn't fly anywhere in my state and that I'm very happy
>with my Northwest visa card (he was promoting United visa cards).
>Anyway, he was a rather pleasant Yankee.

Bless your heart.

Betty

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02003-02-04 | Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> >"Patron" might be old-fashioned but it's much less impersonal
> >than "user" or "client". And less crass than "customer". And
> >less vague than "visitor".
>
> I prefer "students" or "faculty" which is more personal, and can see why
> "patrons" would be used when there is no more specific word, but I just
> don't like that word, and it isn't well understood by today's "users".

I am neither student nor faculty, and I don't like the word "user".
What's a library user?

> >Come on, libraries need a euphemism
> >which dresses up thheir users in a pleasanter garb. It's part
> >of the concept of a library.
>
> That's gross.

Because I used "negative" words like euphemism to describe it? It's
important in many situations to use archaic euphemisms.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> fatal to either party.

A colleague of mine regularly peed on the plants of another colleague
years ago and took pleasure in hearing the person whose plants they were
wondering why his plants were turning yellow.  Although it wasn't fatal
to either of the people -- just to some of the plants, I don't think of
it as exactly a practical joke.  The pee-er simply enjoyed watching his
colleague wondering about the yellow plants.  The pee-er  had various
odd ideas about bodily eliminations.  He and his girlfried would
sometimes doodoo in the night-deposit boxes at banks.  And he was
evicted from the house he rented because the neighbors complained at his
going out naked onto the front porch and peeing into the yard.  He's a
bit odd.

I remember one thing I enjoyed doing.  A colleague was about to return
from a year in Australia, and I went into his office, where he had asked
me to go at various times to send him stuff from his computer -- this
was about '88 or so -- his computer was a green-and-black-screened XT --
he had gotten it with a grant because of a big Thackeray edition he was
doing.  Anyway, I went there right before he returned and added a sound
file and an ascii-drawing file and doctored up his autoexec.bat so that
when he turned on the computer, it said (on the screen) "PLEASE RISE"
and played the "Star Spangled Banner" and then said "Welcome home."  It
then went to a little note telling him how to get his computer back to
normal, even though I doubt that he needed that note.  His was about the
only computer in our department at that time, and he was the
departmental computer guru.  I had a home computer by that time but not
an office computer.

Well, that story really isn't exactly what you're looking for, I
realize, but I'm glad I remembered it.  I hadn't thought of that in a
long time.  When he accused me of having committed it, I looked innocent
and asked why he thought that.  He replied that my spoors were all over
it.  Iow, I was the only person in the dept who would have had the
slightest idea how to do something like that.  He liked it.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> On April Fool's Day, someone rubber-banded the handle on the faucet sprayer so
> that the person turning on the sink got soaked.

I don't like that one for some reason.  It's <messy> without really
striking me as all that funny.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 4:49:54 PM, you wrote:
>
>>I stopped by Whole Foods (pricey organic market) to see if I
>>
>
> Did you check out the olive bar?


        No, I forgot!  I did get some good hummus, though.




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Glad you're back -

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> The latest theory seems to be that the chunk of insullation hitting the wing damaged
> the tiles at liftoff.  This may or may not turn out to be the cause, but it poses an
> interesting question.  If they had determined, while the shuttle was still in orbit, that
> the tiles had been fatally damaged, there was no way to repair them - and with no
> way to get back without the heat of reentry, they would have known that the crew was
> doomed.  If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you would have
> told the crew?

Difficult question.  (I'm behind on news today -- it's been a day full
of odd stuff, and I haven't read anything since this morning's
Starkville Daily News, which doesn't pretend to be a major source of
national or international news.  Are you saying that they've decided
that's the most likely answer?  That theory was the very first one
mentioned, iirc.)  But back to the question.  I find it easier to think
of it in terms of whether I would want to know if I were a member of the
crew.  That's probably why I would hate to be an administrator.  If I
were a crew member, I would not want to know.  But that's just me.
Somebody else might want to know.  So as a possible teller, it would be
mega tough.  I don't know.  What about telling their family members?
Would that be the right or wrong thing to do?  Would the family members
be able to help in deciding whether to tell the crew?  But then the
answers might be different for the different crew members.

I think that people who are pretty old and approaching death are more
ready to deal with knowledge of impending death than are people of the
ages of a space shuttle crew.  Also, if you are at home and find that
you are likely to die soon, there's more that you can do in preparation
-- like I would start giving things to people I wanted to have them
instead of waiting for my RRB&SIL to throw them away.  But if you're in
space?

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> I'm unclear on the meaning and sounding of "ayeh". It's apparently a
> Clyde-ism. See below.

No, it's not a Clyde-ism.  It's a cutsey attempt by Clyde to try to
sound like a native downeaster.

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>He apologized in a sincere-sounding tone
>when I responded to his "because you're a valued customer of United" by
>telling him that I was not at all a valued customer of United -- that
>afaik United doesn't fly anywhere in my state and that I'm very happy
>with my Northwest visa card (he was promoting United visa cards).
>Anyway, he was a rather pleasant Yankee.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The various people who call me because I am an alumnus of the University of
Tennessee start out by saying "thank your for your generous donation".    I
stop them right there and explain that already they are lying because I
never gave money to UT and I never will.   That nonplusses them.  To a
person, they all sound to be rather unpleasant Rebels.


    --bonniev

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 6:05:06 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 4:49:54 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>I stopped by Whole Foods (pricey organic market) to see if I
>>>
>>
>> Did you check out the olive bar?


>         No, I forgot!  I did get some good hummus, though.

Yes, their hummus is good. The olives are better...

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 6:06:03 PM, you wrote:
>         I thought Tim O'Brien might be a little too heavy for a kid.

Maybe. I don't have any sense of what kids read.

>   My husband suggested Hamburger Hill.

Don't know it.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 6:18:17 PM, you wrote:
> McAllen so I can get the real thing again without paying food boutique prices.

Oh, pullease! Central Market *is* a food boutique. And not a very
good one.

Karen
Longing for Trader Joe's...

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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, bonniev wrote:

>The various people who call me because I am an alumnus of the University of
>Tennessee start out by saying "thank your for your generous donation".    I
>stop them right there and explain that already they are lying because I
>never gave money to UT and I never will.   That nonplusses them.  To a
>person, they all sound to be rather unpleasant Rebels.

Hmmm. I wonder what they think <bonnie> sounds like.

Bethany

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> It is only the rich that can afford to eat that way.

    And what does that tell you?

JMW

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Doris Markland wrote:
> Maybe they checked with the families on this.  After all,
> it was all about where they are coming from, not where
> we are coming from.

Well, I do not believe that network news should be usurped by religious
services, and that is what happened. For four days there has been little
if any news of what is going on in the world, much of it a great deal
more important than the unfortunate Columbia incident. Instead we have
had worship services. Do you think that the network chiefs asked
bereaved families what their stations' programming should be? Their job
is to provide news, not religious services. Meanwhile, four people were
killed in a helicopter crash yesterday in the service of our country. I
did not see any big deal made about their deaths. Were they less
important? I am questioning priorities. It is troubling me, how this
event was made to take people's minds off of other pressing matters.
Long hours in a hospital bed make people think of stuff they might not
otherwise ponder.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
> housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
> the turkey frier.

    I know many people who regulary deep-fry turkeys with no problem, and they
are uniformly delicious.  Never heard of such a thing, in fact.
    But, then, there are some people who can screw up a sack lunch...

JMW

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 6:47:45 PM, you wrote:

> John Williams wrote:

>> Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is only the rich that can afford to eat that way.
>>>
>>
>>     And what does that tell you?


>         A)  I work in a rich neighborhood.
>         B)  I am rich.

Or c) poor people shop the sales there.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> There are some funny computer things you can do, like run a little program
> that turns your screen upside down,

Some people find it funny that my Microsoft opening screen is upside
down on my office computer, with "Internet Explorer" scratched through
and "Long Live Netscape" spraypainted over it.  I did that the day I got
home from Japan and first booted my new office computer.  (I emptied the
computer of most things when I retired and moved out of my office, but I
didn't change that.  And I ended up with the same computer in my
temporary quarters.  Wished then that I hadn't deleted all that stuff
from it.)

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> OK. I am home. I cannot re-s*ub. I am reading the instructions, but it
> is not happening. WIll someone please write to me and tell me how to get
> back on?

YAY!!!!  Things didn't feel right at all while you were gone.

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  Other doctors suggest
> another bronchosopic biopsy like I had a few weeks ago. For whatever
> reason, a biopsy of the upper right lobe was not done at that time. And
> I now am trying to reach another pulmonologist for yet another opinion.

I like the idea of another biopsy of the kind you had a few weeks ago.
If that part of the lung wasn't included before, it seems to me that it
makes much more sense to have that done before doing the invasive kind.

> God, it is cold.

The idea that hell is hot is a lie.  It is cold.

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John Williams wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
>>housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
>>the turkey frier.
>>
>
>     I know many people who regulary deep-fry turkeys with no problem, and they
> are uniformly delicious.  Never heard of such a thing, in fact.
>     But, then, there are some people who can screw up a sack lunch...


        Three houses around here burned to the ground on Thanksgiving
due to their use.  Made watching the news that day kinda
interesting.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I don't think "customer" sounds at all right for a library.  I guess if
> a library charges people, it might work.  But for ordinary libraries
> that allow free borrowing of books and free use of non-circulating
> stuff, I think "customer" sounds way weird.

    "Free" only in the sense of no Point Of Service charges.  Other than that
its just another line on the budget.

JMW

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alyce cresap wrote:

> but am resisting it because I will have to take off my coat. Why?
> Because I am wearing overalls, and I cannot lower those without removing
> the coat first.

Why am I ROFL??  Alyce's current situation does not sound fun or funny
at all, but there's something about the overalls that strike my funny
bone.

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At 06:17 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, ms. maynor wrote:

>No, it's not a Clyde-ism.

What in the screaming hell do you---a southern rebel loser---know about
it?  You still think that your Ironbound Island friends are so cute and
sophisticated when they say Bah Haabaah.  Rubbish.  Go mainline some
collards and fatback.

cwv

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> not setting mail quite yet
> but stopping by to see how things are

It's high time you stopped by!  You need to set mail.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:

> What in the screaming hell do you---a southern rebel loser---know about
> it?  You still think that your Ironbound Island friends are so cute and
> sophisticated when they say Bah Haabaah.  Rubbish.  Go mainline some
> collards and fatback.

    Well, they're not so ignorant as to still think that the Stars 'N Bars
are the Confederate flag...

JMW

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In a message dated 2/4/2003 6:49:52 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> Doris Markland wrote:
> > Maybe they checked with the families on this.  After all,
> > it was all about where they are coming from, not where
> > we are coming from.
>
> Well, I do not believe that network news should be usurped by religious
> services, and that is what happened. For four days there has been little
> if any news of what is going on in the world, much of it a great deal
> more important than the unfortunate Columbia incident. Instead we have
> had worship services. Do you think that the network chiefs asked
> bereaved families what their stations' programming should be? Their job
> is to provide news, not religious services. Meanwhile, four people were
> killed in a helicopter crash yesterday in the service of our country. I
> did not see any big deal made about their deaths. Were they less
> important? I am questioning priorities. It is troubling me, how this
> event was made to take people's minds off of other pressing matters.
> Long hours in a hospital bed make people think of stuff they might not
> otherwise ponder.
>
> alyce
>

I think that Alyce is well and back to her old self!

                       - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 6:47:45 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>>John Williams wrote:
>>
>
>>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It is only the rich that can afford to eat that way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>    And what does that tell you?
>>>
>
>
>>        A)  I work in a rich neighborhood.
>>        B)  I am rich.
>>
>
> Or c) poor people shop the sales there.
>


        The only bargains I found were on items that would not be on
my list at all if I was on a tight budget -- iow, they're
expensive even on sale.  The prices on most basic items were
2x - 3x higher than what I normally pay.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On 4 Feb 2003 at 18:06, Rita Chapman wrote:

>       I thought Tim O'Brien might be a little too heavy for a kid.
>   My husband suggested Hamburger Hill.

Are you looking for a book about Vietnam or about the Vietnam war?


     mem

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
> housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
> the turkey frier.

Local inquiries have led me to believe that this beer-can-in-the-chicken
thing is not at all new.  Nobody mentioned explosions or housefires.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 4 Feb 2003 at 18:06, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>      I thought Tim O'Brien might be a little too heavy for a kid.
>>  My husband suggested Hamburger Hill.
>>
>
> Are you looking for a book about Vietnam or about the Vietnam war?


        Sorry, Vietnam war (I have some wonderful books -- fiction --
by Vietnamese and Vietnamese-American writers set in Vietnam).



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 22:56, Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I hope you'll get warm then. Several -- many! -- hot-water bottles in bed
> would do good, I guess. Only I do not know whether anybody uses these
> nowadays. Somehow electrical ones always seemed less cosy to me. And I
> myself have neither of them.

"The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."

Tony H.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 7:11:36 PM, you wrote:
>         The only bargains I found were on items that would not be on
> my list at all if I was on a tight budget -- iow, they're
> expensive even on sale.  The prices on most basic items were
> 2x - 3x higher than what I normally pay.

Their bread-of-the-day isn't expensive. The olive bar is
expensive, but wooooooorth it.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I HATE everything that stands for this "offbeat casual" style.
> Especially the names, and especially "R J Grunts".

I knew some people who wouldn't go to Lawrence of Oregano because of its
name.  I agreed that the name was corny, but I found the food great.  It
was one of my favorite places.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I hope this redneck feast maker doesn't cause explosions and
>>housefires like the last great moronic cooking invention --
>>the turkey frier.
>>
>
> Local inquiries have led me to believe that this beer-can-in-the-chicken
> thing is not at all new.  Nobody mentioned explosions or housefires.


        It sounds like some sort of kinky chicken gang bang to me.

        I did see drunken noodles on the menu of our favorite Thai
restaurant recently, but didn't order it (I did smile, though).

        The wasabi burned a hole right through my sinuses.  Wonderful
stuff.

        Somebody was lowering Japanese notes from the third floor in
front of my window today.  I believe this was some sick
combination of one of Mr. Wojak's physics experiments and my
surprising my students by throwing peanuts at them
yesterday. Beats the marble experiment, I must say (several
days of hearing the things dropping and rolling over my
head).  I adore Mr. Wojak.



--
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rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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bonniev wrote:

> The various people who call me because I am an alumnus of the University of
> Tennessee start out by saying "thank your for your generous donation".    I
> stop them right there and explain that already they are lying because I
> never gave money to UT and I never will.   That nonplusses them.  To a
> person, they all sound to be rather unpleasant Rebels.

How weird.  I give to UT (not exactly exciting amounts -- about $50 a
year), but nobody from there ever calls me.  Hmm.  I bet somebody did at
some long-ago time and that I said that I don't give to people who call
me, which is for sure true.  And I bet the caller had enough sense to
take me off of the call list.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 7:11:36 PM, you wrote:
>
>>        The only bargains I found were on items that would not be on
>>my list at all if I was on a tight budget -- iow, they're
>>expensive even on sale.  The prices on most basic items were
>>2x - 3x higher than what I normally pay.
>>
>
> Their bread-of-the-day isn't expensive. The olive bar is
> expensive, but wooooooorth it.
>


        Shopping there made me feel kinda
ugly-decadent-children-are-starving-and-you-buy-overpriced-apples
icky.  But if the shakes work for Dad, I'll probably be
stopping in once a week for awhile.




--
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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 7:20:33 PM, you wrote:
>         Shopping there made me feel kinda
> ugly-decadent-children-are-starving-and-you-buy-overpriced-apples
> icky.

LOL. I know what you mean. The one in the arboretum has this
unreal vegetable section, where everythign is piled in squares.
Even the lettuce.

> But if the shakes work for Dad, I'll probably be
> stopping in once a week for awhile.

I hope they continue to work.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 06:17 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, ms. maynor wrote:
>
> >No, it's not a Clyde-ism.
>
> What in the screaming hell do you---a southern rebel loser---know about
> it?

Clyde is so cute when he's into his mega-assholisness. :-)  What I know
about it is based on being a dialectologist/sociolinguist.  It is not a
Clyde-ism because it's a very well-known Downeast expression in all the
literature.  You thought you invented it?   ROFL.

> You still think that your Ironbound Island friends are so cute and
> sophisticated when they say Bah Haabaah.  Rubbish.  Go mainline some
> collards and fatback.

I do??  When did I ever say I found that cute or sophisticated?  You are
imagining.
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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         The wasabi burned a hole right through my sinuses.  Wonderful
> stuff.

Oh yes!  It's funny really since I don't like that kind of stuff
normally.  I would never ask for horseradish.  But I do like wasabi.
It's the only thing that makes me able to stomach sashimi.  And I really
need to find some more wasabi peas.

>         Somebody was lowering Japanese notes from the third floor in
> front of my window today.  I believe this was some sick
> combination of one of Mr. Wojak's physics experiments and my
> surprising my students by throwing peanuts at them
> yesterday. Beats the marble experiment, I must say (several
> days of hearing the things dropping and rolling over my
> head).  I adore Mr. Wojak.

I like the sound of your school.

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02003-02-04 | Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 22:56, Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > I hope you'll get warm then. Several -- many! -- hot-water bottles in bed
> > would do good, I guess. Only I do not know whether anybody uses these
> > nowadays. Somehow electrical ones always seemed less cosy to me. And I
> > myself have neither of them.
>
> "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."

I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."

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02003-02-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I HATE everything that stands for this "offbeat casual" style.
> > Especially the names, and especially "R J Grunts".
>
> I knew some people who wouldn't go to Lawrence of Oregano because of its
> name.  I agreed that the name was corny, but I found the food great.  It
> was one of my favorite places.

That's very enlightened! I wouldn't go unless they had artichokes
savagely torn asunder and stuffed with crabmeat or something ...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> but there's something about the overalls that strike my funny
> bone.

I only can wear overalls these days because of being thin. All of my
pants are too big and slide down. Overalls, although also way, way too
big, nonetheless stay up with their shoulder straps. I am fortunate in
that I have six pair of overalls, country girl that I am. But they do
make going to the bathroom more difficult and you have to allow more
time to undo the clasps.

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>I am neither student nor faculty, and I don't like the word "user".
>What's a library user?

Duh. Someone who uses the library.

>Because I used "negative" words like euphemism to describe it? It's
>important in many situations to use archaic euphemisms.

Why? For whom?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> make going to the bathroom more difficult and you have to allow more

Sort of like the advantage of a two-piece bathing suit over a one-piece.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> What do you think of ":--)"?

That he/she has a very long nose?

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> That's very enlightened! I wouldn't go unless they had artichokes
> savagely torn asunder and stuffed with crabmeat or something ...

I don't remember now what I ate there.  I do remember that it was good
and was not very expensive.

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>From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
>I only can wear overalls these days because of being thin. All of my
>pants are too big and slide down. Overalls, although also way, way too
>big, nonetheless stay up with their shoulder straps. I am fortunate in
>that I have six pair of overalls, country girl that I am. But they do
>make going to the bathroom more difficult and you have to allow more
>time to undo the clasps.

What you need is a nice whorish jumper!

Marie

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Local inquiries have led me to believe that this beer-can-in-the-chicken
>thing is not at all new

It's not. Do you think -abht was on the culinary cutting edge?

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At 07:29 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, ms maynor wrote:
>  What I know
>about it is based on being a dialectologist/sociolinguist.

Over and above the fact that what you know could be stuffed into a flea's
navel and still leave room for an elephant is that neither I nor anyone I
know ever indicated that it was my invention.  So, stuff it.

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Marie Ascher wrote:

> What you need is a nice whorish jumper!

But that wouldn't be warm at all.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> neither I nor anyone I
> know ever indicated that it was my invention.  So, stuff it.

Oh.  I guess I don't know what "a Clyde-ism" means.  Sorry.  I thought
it meant something unique to Clyde.  What does a Clyde-ism mean?

clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 06:17 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, ms. maynor wrote:
>
> >No, it's not a Clyde-ism.
>
> What in the screaming hell do you---a southern rebel loser---know about
> it?

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> > It was on that trip, in Toronto, that I
> > bought my first pair of Birkenstocks.
>
>How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
>first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Looks like it might have been 1988.


    --bonniev

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> > What you need is a nice whorish jumper!
>
>But that wouldn't be warm at all.

With a turtleneck and nice warm tights, sure it would be.

Marie

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Marie Ascher wrote:
> > > What you need is a nice whorish jumper!
> >
> >But that wouldn't be warm at all.
>
> With a turtleneck and nice warm tights, sure it would be.

How could that be whorish??

--
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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 8:25:55 PM, you wrote:
> bonniev wrote:
>> >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
>> >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>> Looks like it might have been 1988.

> Ok, the rankings so far are these:

> 1. Karen 1974

It might have been 1975.

> 2. Natalie 1980
> 3. Bonniemae 1988

> Surely others will check in.

> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)




Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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IMFTATL for a friend: 12-year old cat who's started throwing up barely
digested food.  He's fluffy and gets hairballs -- could the throwing up be
because of a hairball?

Pete

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> What in the screaming hell do you---a southern rebel loser---know about
> it?  You still think that your Ironbound Island friends are so cute and
> sophisticated when they say Bah Haabaah.  Rubbish.  Go mainline some
> collards and fatback.

That was uncalled-for, Clyde. If you have a shred of decency you will
apologize to Natalie.

-aht

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>IMFTATL for a friend: 12-year old cat who's started throwing up barely
>digested food.  He's fluffy and gets hairballs -- could the throwing up be
>because of a hairball?      --Pete

Our seven-year-old cat has started doing the same thing.   In his case, I
doubt it is hairballs.  Sometimes cats just eat too quickly and then throw
it up.  It's a passing thing.  Sometimes there is too much ash in the dry
food and they throw it up.  Sometimes cats are just perverse and do it
because they know it annoys you.  Tell her to put some oil on his
food.  Olive oil or something.


    --bonniev

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Anne Toal wrote:

>>What in the screaming hell do you---a southern rebel loser---know about
>>it?  You still think that your Ironbound Island friends are so cute and
>>sophisticated when they say Bah Haabaah.  Rubbish.  Go mainline some
>>collards and fatback.
>>
>
> That was uncalled-for, Clyde. If you have a shred of decency you will
> apologize to Natalie.
>


        He's posting Thai.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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bonniev writes,

>Tell her to put some oil on his food.  Olive oil or something.

Thanks, Bonnie!

(You correctly intuited that the friend is female -- it wasn't in my
IMFTATL. :-)

Pete

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02003-02-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > What do you think of ":--)"?
>
> That he/she has a very long nose?

Ayeh

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Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 8:41:05 PM, you wrote:
> If he is fluffy this is the time of year they begin to shed their winter
> coats,

My cat still needs her winter coat!

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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>I'm looking for a good, classic work of fiction about
>Vietnam that would be suitable for a 14-year-old.  Any
>suggestions?  I don't read war novels, so I'm not sure where
>to start.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

A few years ago Salon.com had a series where a literary person would pick
five books about a subject of that person's expertise.  Robert Stone's list
of contemporary war novels is here:

http://www.salon.com/books/bag/1999/10/11/stone/index.html

I've read only one of the books, _Tiger the LURP Dog_ by Kenn Miller (no
relation, as far as I know).  I picked it out mostly because of the
author's name, but it was a good read and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend
it to anyone, including a 14-year-old.

Ken Miller
Literary Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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>        Not too many.  Nothing really holds my interest these days.
>CSI might be the only thing I can stand to watch for the
>entire hour.  The Simpsons.

>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Does your cable company not carry TLC?  Surely, it must not, else how could
you have omitted Junkyard Wars, not to mention Full Metal Challenge? :-)

Ken Miller
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>The latest theory seems to be that the chunk of insullation hitting the
>wing damaged
>the tiles at liftoff.  This may or may not turn out to be the cause, but
>it poses an
>interesting question.  If they had determined, while the shuttle was still
>in orbit, that
>the tiles had been fatally damaged, there was no way to repair them - and
>with no
>way to get back without the heat of reentry, they would have known that
>the crew was
>doomed.  If you were the person with this knowledge, do you think you
>would have
>told the crew?
>
>
>BrP

False dilemma.  If you have time to think, there are often alternatives.

In this case, assuming that water supply was not an issue, there are other
shuttles and a rescue mission could have been mounted, albeit possibly at
some risk to the rescuers; the cost would have been horrific, but that is a
separate issue.  The true ethical dilemma in this scenario would be this:
at what cost point do the decision-makers tell the crew that the financial
cost of rescuing them is too great?

Alternatively, and only if there were enough fuel to carry out the
maneuver, they could have rendezvoused with the International Space
Station.  There is some risk in this scenario, too, in that the ISS's
lifeboat only has three bunks, but surely the risk of death is preferable
to certain death.

The broader issue -- ethical and otherwise -- is that sometimes
catastrophes are catastrophes only because of over-optimistic planning.
Unfortunately, it seems that every generation of leaders has to learn this
for themselves.  Thus it is that less than a century separates Triangle
Shirtwaist and Bhopal.

Ken Miller
Dilbert School of Management Studies

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You all were going on about church services.  Did they televise
the service for Ilan Ramon?  I got a long email from my dad
describing the scene, and that didn't mention cameras.

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02003-02-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> about it is based on being a dialectologist/sociolinguist.  It is not a
> Clyde-ism because it's a very well-known Downeast expression in all the
> literature.  You thought you invented it?   ROFL.

What do you think of ":--)"?

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02003-02-04 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
> first Birkenstocks.  I bought my first in Chicago at a store named "Take
> a Walk" on or near Clarke Street -- general vicinity of Lawrence of
> Oregano, part of the Lettuce Entertain You chain, in July 1980.  That
> was a fun summer.

      For Melman and Orzoff, the success of R.J. Grunts marked
      the beginning. New ideas and concepts were created and in
      1973, LEYE opened Fritz That's It! in Evanston, Illinois
      followed by the Great Gritzbe's Flying Food Show in 1974,
      Jonathan Livingston Seafood in 1975 and Lawrence of
      Oregano in 1976. With each new restaurant Melman's style
      evolved and he welcomed new challenges.

I HATE everything that stands for this "offbeat casual" style.
Especially the names, and especially "R J Grunts".

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>> >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
>> >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>>Looks like it might have been 1988.

>Ok, the rankings so far are these:

>1. Karen 1974
>2. Natalie 1980
>3. Bonniemae 1988

>Surely others will check in.

Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
would be me.

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When does the new Survivor start?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> >Ok, the rankings so far are these:
>
> >1. Karen 1974
> >2. Natalie 1980
> >3. Bonniemae 1988
>
> >Surely others will check in.
>
> Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
> would be me.

But that couldn't be a ranking.  It would simply be a pile.  You could,
I guess, rank by the dates at which people made that decision or whether
there was ever a temptation to go against that resolve or whatever.

--
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Bookrat wrote:

>>       Not too many.  Nothing really holds my interest these days.
>>CSI might be the only thing I can stand to watch for the
>>entire hour.  The Simpsons.
>>
>
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>
>
> Does your cable company not carry TLC?  Surely, it must not, else how could
> you have omitted Junkyard Wars, not to mention Full Metal Challenge? :-)


        Ken, darling, I don't have cable.  I have network TV, and
that's it.



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Alec:

>George and his speech writers worked hard. A good speech, although a little
>too religious for me.

It's taken a while but I've become used to public religiosity
and it doesn't bother me any more. I can't relate to it but I
don't have to fight a snigger every time a football coach or
hip hop singer thanks God for a victory. Howard Stern rants on
for an hour after music awards shows and other public events.
Non-religious people are out of the mainstream now and we better
get used to it.

-rashmi

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Alec:
>
>> George and his speech writers worked hard. A good speech, although a
>> little
>> too religious for me.
>
>
> It's taken a while but I've become used to public religiosity
> and it doesn't bother me any more. I can't relate to it but I
> don't have to fight a snigger every time a football coach or
> hip hop singer thanks God for a victory. Howard Stern rants on
> for an hour after music awards shows and other public events.
> Non-religious people are out of the mainstream now and we better
> get used to it.


        I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
wordsler who goes to church every Sunday, and it bugs *me*.




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13:24 04.02.2003 -0500 skrev Marie Ascher:

>Hope you get warm and all the oxygen you need...

And so do I!

Espen

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I just got into school a little while ago, and the place is papered with
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Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually by this
point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't heard a single
Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but it just seems odd to me that I
haven't.

BrP

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http://www.unitedforpeace.org/


BrP

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Rita Rouvalis wrote:
>
> I just got into school a little while ago, and the place is papered with
> anti-war posters.

Excellent!  I noticed with interest a couple of days ago that a great
majority of the letters to the editor in the Clarion-Ledger (Jackson)
were anti-war, written by a wide variety of people, including a man who
called himself super conservative (a WWII vet, btw).  I realize that the
numbers nationwide are against war, but I was still interested that here
in the heart of Dubya Country there would be so much anti-war
sentiment.  (By "here" I mean the state as a whole, not Starkville.)  It
happened that my favorite of the letters was from Starkville that day,
but it wasn't the only good one:

http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0302/03/l02.html

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>In a message dated 2/4/2003 3:45:46 PM Central Standard Time,
>verdie@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
>
>> . Didn't see Unfaithful -- the last thing I need is another
>people-getting-punished-for-sex movie.
>>
>>
>>
>> Janet
>>
>
>Guess I don't think that describes the plot.
>As far as I could tell, both sex and murder
>went unpunished and the movie ended with
>the hint that the perpetrators would live
>happily ever after., together.
^^^^^^^^
guiltily

/Jim

>
>                - D. M.

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I bet today's youth don't remember where this came from:

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/img/original/oilisnothealthy.jpg

I wonder whatever happened to my war-is-not-healthy-etc poster.
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I am looking for honors and medals, and I have found one place with much info:

http://www.medals.org.uk/

But I want more. Does anyone for instance know the

American Knights of Malta, order of first class (Egypt)

And other partucular ones (i.e. does anyone have better URLs than I have for finding such info?)

Espen

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>bonniev wrote:
> > >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
> > >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > Looks like it might have been 1988.
>
>Ok, the rankings so far are these:
>
>1. Karen 1974
>2. Natalie 1980
>3. Bonniemae 1988
>
>Surely others will check in.

Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to Torondevous,
but they gave us blisters).

Marie

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Marie Ascher wrote:
> > > > What you need is a nice whorish jumper!
> > >
> > >But that wouldn't be warm at all.
> >
> > With a turtleneck and nice warm tights, sure it would be.
>
>How could that be whorish??

She could wear it that way in the winter and then give it double duty in all
its whorish glory come summer.

Marie

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> > neither I nor anyone I
> > know ever indicated that it was my invention.  So, stuff it.
>
>Oh.  I guess I don't know what "a Clyde-ism" means.  Sorry.  I thought
>it meant something unique to Clyde.  What does a Clyde-ism mean?

It is unique to Clyde -- on this list. It doesn't mean he invented it.

Marie

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> >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> >bonniev wrote:
> > > >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
> > > >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> > >
> > > Looks like it might have been 1988.
> >
> >Ok, the rankings so far are these:
> >
> >1. Karen 1974
> >2. Natalie 1980
> >3. Bonniemae 1988
> >
> >Surely others will check in.
>
> Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
> don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to Torondevous,
> but they gave us blisters).
>
> Marie


Did you buy them in Syracuse?


BrP

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>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> > Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
> > don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to
>Torondevous,
> > but they gave us blisters).
>
>Did you buy them in Syracuse?

I don't think so. Random strip mall.

Most of what I remember about Syracuse was Your House and German food -- oh,
and we did see some of the campus as well.

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>
> Most of what I remember about Syracuse was Your House and German food -- oh,
> and we did see some of the campus as well.
>
> Marie



Ah yes, Weber's - and ice cream at Marble Farms.


BrP


You were my very first wordsler ftfs

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Nope. No, "what's this button for?" jokes here yet either.

Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com


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>
>Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually
>by this
>point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't heard a
>single
>Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but it just seems
>odd to me that I
>haven't.
>
>BrP


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>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
>would be me.

Yeah, throw me in there too. Maybe we're the Doc Martens column?

Marie

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Marie: [re: birkenstocks]

>Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them?

memememe. I don't see myself ever getting one - they're so
not my style.

>Birkenstock lookalikes
>don't count, right?

Don't like these either.

-rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris

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Rita:

>I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
>minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
>wordsler who goes to church every Sunday, and it bugs *me*.

Bethany?

But I see what you mean. There are plenty of churchgoers in my
ftf life.

So why does it bug you?

-rashmi




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>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> > Most of what I remember about Syracuse was Your House and German food --
>oh,
> > and we did see some of the campus as well.
>
>Ah yes, Weber's - and ice cream at Marble Farms.
>
>You were my very first wordsler ftfs

I didn't remember that we were your firsts. What an honor!

BTW, I saw Emily and Marty in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago in
Philadelphia. Over lunch both made noise about possibly popping their heads
in to words-l. But alas...

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>.
>
>-rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris
.
Did you buy anything?

Betty

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>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Birkenstock lookalikes
>>don't count, right?
>
>Don't like these either.

No, me neither. They were a mistake.

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At 09:10 AM 2/5/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
>> > Most of what I remember about Syracuse was Your House and German food --
>>oh,
>> > and we did see some of the campus as well.
>>
>>Ah yes, Weber's - and ice cream at Marble Farms.
>>
>>You were my very first wordsler ftfs
>
>I didn't remember that we were your firsts. What an honor!

Marcia and Torkel were my firsts. Then Espen and his very young children.


>BTW, I saw Emily and Marty in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago in
>Philadelphia. Over lunch both made noise about possibly popping their heads
>in to words-l. But alas...

Is Emily still considering Acadia Fest?

Betty

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>When does the new Survivor start?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

February 13th.   In the Amazon.  This time there will be an male and an all
female team.


    --bonniev

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Oh wait.  I lied.  I had met Matt Beams when his choir sang at Syracuse University.
But you were the first <regular> wordslers.

BrP


> >You were my very first wordsler ftfs
>
> I didn't remember that we were your firsts. What an honor!
>
> BTW, I saw Emily and Marty in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago in
> Philadelphia. Over lunch both made noise about possibly popping their heads
> in to words-l. But alas...
>
> Marie
>
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>
>I stopped by Whole Foods (pricey organic market) to see if I
>could find some good vitamin shakes for my dad (I did).  I
>pulled into the lot behind a Lexus, parked next to a Land
>Rover, and followed a BMW out.  I was driving my Mercedes.
>

We have a Whole Foods. They are expensive, but there breads are wonderful.
We also like some of bulk stuff they sell.


alec

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:21:08AM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
= >> >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
= >> >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
= >>
= >>Looks like it might have been 1988.
=
= >Ok, the rankings so far are these:
=
= >1. Karen 1974
= >2. Natalie 1980
= >3. Bonniemae 1988
=
= >Surely others will check in.
=
= Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
= would be me.
=
= -rashmi
=

You must be one of those people that those ladies shoes I have to
wear when I'm trying to be proper actually feel good on!

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> You must be one of those people that those ladies shoes I have to
> wear when I'm trying to be proper actually feel good on!


I nominate this for Sentence of the Week[TM}

BrP

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http://www.binnes.com/temp1_bushposse.jpg

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
>minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
>wordsler who goes to church every Sunday,

Nope.

>and it bugs *me*.

Not me.

Bethany

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 8:44:48 AM, you wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>        I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
>>minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
>>wordsler who goes to church every Sunday,

> Nope.

Nope.

>>and it bugs *me*.

> Not me.

Well, this squicks me.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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>  Rita Chapman wrote:
> >        I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
> >minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
> >wordsler who goes to church every Sunday,

I'm confused as to whether it bugs Rita that she is one of the few
wordslers that goes to church each Sunday or if, as a church-going person,
it still bugs her how often god stuff is mentioned on the electric teevee.


    --bonniev

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>From: Jerry
>Subject: Annoy for Peace: send Rice to Iraq.
>
>I like this one a lot. My rice is in the mail. Let the deluge continue! - J
>
>Subject: Rice to Iraq
>
>There is a grassroots campaign underway to protest war in Iraq in a
>simple, but potentially powerful way.
>
>Place 1/2 cup uncooked rice in a small plastic bag (a snack-size bag or
>sandwich bag work fine).  Squeeze out excess air and seal the bag.
>Wrap it in a piece of paper on which you have written:
>"If your enemies are hungry,feed them.  Romans 12:20.
>Please send this rice to the people of Iraq;
>do not attack them."
>Place the paper and bag of rice in an envelope (either a letter-sized or
>padded mailing envelope--both are the same cost to mail) and
>address them to:
>
>President George Bush
>White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
>Washington, DC 20500
>
>Attach  postage ($1.06 in the USA).
>
>Drop this in the mail TODAY.  It is important to act NOW so that
>President Bush gets the letters ASAP.
>
>In order for this protest to be effective, there must be hundreds of
>thousands of such rice deliveries to the White House.  We can do this if
>
>you each forward this message to your friends and family.
>
>There is a positive history of this protest!  In the 1950s, Fellowship
>of Reconciliation began a similar protest, which is credited with
>influencing President Eisenhower against attacking China.  Read on:
>
>"In the mid-1950s, the pacifist Fellowship of Reconciliation, learning of
>famine in the Chinese mainland, launched a 'Feed Thine Enemy' campaign.
>Members and friends mailed thousands of little bags of rice to the White
>House with a tag quoting the Bible, "If thine enemy hunger, feed him."
>As far as anyone knew for more than ten years, the campaign was an abject
>failure.  The President did not acknowledge receipt of  the bags
>publicly; certainly, no rice was ever sent to China.
>
>"What nonviolent activists only learned a decade later was that the
>campaign played a significant, perhaps even determining role in
>preventing nuclear war.  Twice while the campaign was on, President
>Eisenhower met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to consider U.S. options in
>the conflict
>with China over two islands, Quemoy and Matsu.  The generals twice
>recommended the use of nuclear weapons.
>
>President Eisenhower each time turned to his aide and asked how many
>little bags of rice had come in.  When told they numbered in the tens of
>thousands, Eisenhower told the generals that as long as so many
>Americans were expressing active interest in having the U.S. feed the
>Chinese, he certainly wasn't going to consider using nuclear weapons
>against them."
>
>From:  People Power:  Applying Nonviolence Theory by
>David H. Albert,
>p.43, New Society, 19.
>

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steph wrote:
>
> You all were going on about church services.  Did they televise
> the service for Ilan Ramon?

I did not see it, but then I had turned off the TV early on when I saw
that everything was about the Columbia and nothing about world events.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
> would be me.

and me.
alyce

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 9:24:20 AM, you wrote:
>>  Rita Chapman wrote:
>> >        I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
>> >minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
>> >wordsler who goes to church every Sunday,

> I'm confused as to whether it bugs Rita that she is one of the few
> wordslers that goes to church each Sunday or if, as a church-going person,
> it still bugs her how often god stuff is mentioned on the electric teevee.

I am confident that it's the latter.

Karen
She had a deep throaty genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just before
he throws up.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >When does the new Survivor start?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> February 13th.   In the Amazon.  This time there will be an male and an all
> female team.
>
I think that there is to be a deaf woman on it. I am not understanding
why they are making a big deal of this--I saw a trailer about how she
will be able to read other people's lips and find out their secrets. I
do not like exploiting deafness as if it is something freaky.

Aunt of deaf person

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In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:21:26 AM Central Standard Time,
rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:


> Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
> would be me.
>
> -rashmi
>
>

put me on the never list.

     - D. M.

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The magazine with your niece's poem is off the press. Where should her
copy be sent, please?

alyce
--
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 7:32:50 AM Central Standard Time,
fna104@URIACC.URI.EDU writes:


> >Guess I don't think that describes the plot.
> >As far as I could tell, both sex and murder
> >went unpunished and the movie ended with
> >the hint that the perpetrators would live
> >happily ever after., together.
> ^^^^^^^^
> guiltily
>
> /Jim
>
> >
> >
>

Yeah, I got to thinking about that and realized that
I hadn't quite gotten it.  Their punishment is each other.
Movie still stunk.

              - D. M.


                   - D. M.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 10:05:50 AM, you wrote:
> In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:21:26 AM Central Standard Time,
> rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>> Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
>> would be me.
>>
>> -rashmi
>>
>>

> put me on the never list.

I bought a pair of Birks a long time ago--at least 5 years ago.
They didn't quite fit when I bought them, but I told myself that
a) it was an incredible sale (I think they were $30, something
like that--this was at the Birk Outlet Store in Gilroy) and b) my
feet were swollen. I put them on the other day, and they fit
perfectly--I actually had to tighten the straps--and they are
amazingly comfortable. They are a discontinued style I think, and
they are the first non-sandal birks I've ever owned. Anyway, I
think you should not knock them till you've tried them.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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> Karen
> Not this week's thistle...



:-)


ET

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
> don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to Torondevous,
> but they gave us blisters).

I've never had them.  And here are my guesses for other women on this
list who've never worn them:

D.M.
Evelyn
Harwell Toal
Betty
Theo

Ann

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> -rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris

Shouda bought 'em!

I had some beauties once DAMN they were fine.

Ann

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On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 19:43, Tushar Samant wrote:

> > "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."
>
> I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."

If you Google on "George Mikes" and "hot water bottles", you'll find
several variations on the supposed quotation. But you are right; none
of them mention the French, which was the way I remembered it.

Tony H.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 10:52:24 AM, you wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 19:43, Tushar Samant wrote:

>> > "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."
>>
>> I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."

> If you Google on "George Mikes" and "hot water bottles", you'll find
> several variations on the supposed quotation. But you are right; none
> of them mention the French, which was the way I remembered it.

Why George Mikes? I remember him as vaguely repulsive for some
reason.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Borkin:

>I've never had them. And here are my guesses for other women on this list
>who've never worn them:

>Harwell Toal

bwahahahaha!

-rashmi, remembering a very purple Graham


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> > -rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris

>Shouda bought 'em!

I wimped out and bought the black pair instead. Comfortable
and look good - what a deal.

-rashmi


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steph:

>You must be one of those people that those ladies shoes I have to wear when
>I'm trying to be proper actually feel good on!

No, no, I don't like exaggeratedly girlygirl shoes either
but something about birkenstocks puts me off.

Hey, guess what, I prolly have to extend my stay. I think
I'm going back next Thursday instead of the weekend. <snif>

-rashmi, homesick


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On 5 Feb 2003 at 9:52, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> http://www.binnes.com/temp1_bushposse.jpg

My current favorite is this one:

http://aztlan.net/attack.htm


   mem

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>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>I didn't remember that we were your firsts. What an honor!
>
>Marcia and Torkel were my firsts. Then Espen and his very young children.

Rashmi was my first, but I think we'd at least registered each others faces
before we ever encountered each other online. She was a library <patron>.

My first official words-l ftf didn't happen, I think, until I had moved to
NYC -- Myles, Tom Lee, Steve Karlson, and Emily at the Louisiana Community
Bar and Grill or whatever.

Marie

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:20:14AM -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
= Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 10:05:50 AM, you wrote:
= > In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:21:26 AM Central Standard Time,
= > rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
= >> Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
= >> would be me.
= >>
= >> -rashmi
= >>
= >>
=
= > put me on the never list.
=
= I bought a pair of Birks a long time ago--at least 5 years ago.
= They didn't quite fit when I bought them, but I told myself that

Everyone's feet are weird.  Mine have long toes, are narrow and
have a very high instep.  Birks are well designed for high
insteps and narrow feet (I always get narrow Birks), but not for
long toes.  This means that my fourth and fifth toes always go
over the edge in sandals, and they bang the top in the closed
toe styles.

I got my first Birks as a graduation present from college, but I
had been lusting after them for years.  They are about worn to
death now and only get worn as house shoes.  They're ready for
the trash, but I don't have a good replacement yet, so they're
going to be around for a while.

Except for one pair I bought in Germany a couple of years ago,
and that graduation present, I bought the rest I have from
http://www.hawea.de  They used to have really great prices, but
that's changed in the past year.  You can, however, order the
entire Birkenstock, Betula, Birki etc. catalog from them, so if
there's something you want and can't find it any place else, they
can get it.  They also get the trial baloons, so I saw a pair of
Gore-Tex clogs there too.

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 08:22:43AM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
= On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
= >
= > Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
= > don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to Torondevous,
= > but they gave us blisters).
=
= I've never had them.  And here are my guesses for other women on this
= list who've never worn them:
=
= D.M.
= Evelyn
= Harwell Toal
= Betty
= Theo
=
= Ann

Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.

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In a message dated 02/05/2003 7:08:14 AM Central Standard Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually by
this
point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't heard a
single
Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but it just seems odd
to me that I
haven't.


>>

Saturday, I was at work at Sears, and it seemed that, to most people,
it was just a normal, ordinary day.  I think most people have become
numb to mass death since 9-11; they put it out of their minds.
Just MHO, of course, and I may be wrong.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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first Birks:

1990 (Bamberg).

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> > "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."
>
> I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."

Does it mean that all those who haven't got hot water bottles have a hope  to
have... Well, never mind.

Kristin

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This is from a bookseller in England. It is an interesting concept and I
thought you might like to see his mural.

alyce
-----------------
>From Stuart Manley:
Well, it took two years to paint, and it has taken over a further year
to get enough quality photographs together to complete the web display,
but the "Not the Writers" mural is finally ready.

It will go live shortly, after a few more tweaks, but meantime here is a
preview for Insiders.

The instructions for use are not quite finished, so I will give them
separately:

1. Click onto the following link.

http://voodoo3.tagish.co.uk/bb/barterstaticpages.nsf/web/staticpages/home?opendocument

2. Click onto the 'BB Mural' button, far right, and up comes the Mural
page.

3. Sweep your mouse over the mural and each panel changes to colour.
Click onto any panel and the panel comes up close, along with a
description of the writers within that panel.

4. Click onto any writer (or dog, or cat, or other animal) for a final
enlargement.

In addition, you can click onto the link below the mural for a history
and the explanation of the 'Not the Writers' name. (Yes, we probably
missed out YOUR favourite author too!)

Finally, there is another link at the very bottom for a full colour high
resolution sweep of the whole mural.

A labour of love, but also a very commercially sound feature to the
bookshop, which had already attracted two free TV coverage slots!

Stuart

http://www.barterbooks.co.uk
___________________________________________________________

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:24:11 PM, you wrote:
> Everyone's feet are weird.

Everyone's bodies are weird.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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In a message dated 02/05/2003 10:23:03 AM Central Standard Time,
aborkin@RAHUL.NET writes:

<<
I've never had them.  And here are my guesses for other women on this
list who've never worn them:

D.M.
Evelyn
Harwell Toal
Betty
Theo


>>

Right, in my case.  But I'd like to get a pair of Doc Martens if I could
afford them.  I know that I will never buy a pair of high heels.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:29:15PM -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
= Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:24:11 PM, you wrote:
= > Everyone's feet are weird.
=
= Everyone's bodies are weird.
=

Nah.  Everybody's bodies as a whole are pretty much the same, it's
when you start looking at the parts that it gets weird.

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:11:21PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
= Borkin:
=
= >I've never had them. And here are my guesses for other women on this list
= >who've never worn them:
=
= >Harwell Toal
=
= bwahahahaha!
=
= -rashmi, remembering a very purple Graham
=

See http://www.gtoal.com if your memory needs refreshing.

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:19:03PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
= steph:
=
= >You must be one of those people that those ladies shoes I have to wear when
= >I'm trying to be proper actually feel good on!
=
= No, no, I don't like exaggeratedly girlygirl shoes either
= but something about birkenstocks puts me off.
=
= Hey, guess what, I prolly have to extend my stay. I think
= I'm going back next Thursday instead of the weekend. <snif>
=
= -rashmi, homesick
=

Give me a call if you have any time.  I work around the corner
from the airport.

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> =
>
> Give me a call if you have any time.  I work around the corner
> from the airport.


Did you connect with Nert?


BrP

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> = D.M.
> = Evelyn
> = Harwell Toal
> = Betty
> = Theo
> =
> = Ann

And Kristin. But I guess my that-like shoes that are rather old by now cannot be
less comfortable. All that "anatomy of comfort" and such they do have. In spite of
their rather high price I'm sure I'll buy a new pair when these are worn out.

Kr.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Everyone's bodies are weird.

Everyone's body is weird.

alyce

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>
> Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.

Sure, I know that, but I have NO GUESSES.  I don't understand men.

Ann
>

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> > = D.M.
> > = Evelyn
> > = Harwell Toal
> > = Betty
> > = Theo
> > =
> > = Ann
>
> And Kristin.

Oh, I did not notice whether it was the never-will-list or never-had-list.

Kr.

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On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 21:19, Bookrat wrote:

> >>I need an example of a work-related practical joke that isn't
> >>fatal to either party.
> >
> >Send them to central supply to pick up a couple of fallopian tubes.
> >
> >Betty
>
> If you're a cook, you send the newbies to the supply room to get a bacon
> stretcher.
>
> For the unitiated, bacon stretchers are not dissimilar in nature to the
> infamous flagpole keys and left-handed smoke shifters that countless
> generations of Boy Scout Tenderfeet have journeyed after in innumerable
> campgrounds.

Sending them to supplies for a long stand is another old one. And
they get exactly what they ask for, too.

Tony H.

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> > Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.
>
> Sure, I know that, but I have NO GUESSES.  I don't understand men.
>
> Ann
> >

I've never worn Birks

BrP

I don't understand men either

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On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 21:55, Bookrat wrote:

> Alternatively, and only if there were enough fuel to carry out the
> maneuver, they could have rendezvoused with the International Space
> Station.

No docking ring on board this flight, and insufficient space suits to
transfer everyone.

Tony H.

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On Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 8:07, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

> Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually by this
> point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't heard a single
> Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but it just seems odd to me that I
> haven't.

I was thinking about this too. It's not clear how they would be
different from Challenger jokes, was my conclusion.

How many <x> can you fit in a <y>?
<n>, and <7-m> in the ashtray.

etc.

Tony H.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:36:54 PM, you wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:29:15PM -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:24:11 PM, you wrote:
= >> Everyone's feet are weird.
> =
> = Everyone's bodies are weird.
> =

> Nah.  Everybody's bodies as a whole are pretty much the same, it's
> when you start looking at the parts that it gets weird.

I'm not even sure what this means. All I know is, bilateral
symmetry is a myth.

Also, I disagree with you about Birks being for narrow feet. My
feet are not narrow. I know narrow--I used to have Narrow Feet
before I lived in Hawaii.

Karen
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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:39:08 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> Everyone's bodies are weird.

> Everyone's body is weird.

That sounds like we share one body.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:48:13 PM, you wrote:

>> > Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.
>>
>> Sure, I know that, but I have NO GUESSES.  I don't understand men.
>>
>> Ann
>> >

> I've never worn Birks

> BrP

> I don't understand men either

But you don't understand women, either! Where does that leave
you?

Karen
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> > I don't understand men either
>
> But you don't understand women, either! Where does that leave
> you?
>
> Karen
> Not this week's thistle...

guessing a lot

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At 07:15 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 7:11:36 PM, you wrote:
> >         The only bargains I found were on items that would not be on
> > my list at all if I was on a tight budget -- iow, they're
> > expensive even on sale.  The prices on most basic items were
> > 2x - 3x higher than what I normally pay.
>
>Their bread-of-the-day isn't expensive. The olive bar is
>expensive, but wooooooorth it.
>
>Karen

They're expensive. And their sales are few and far between. As Rita pointed
out, they're hardly on things you need. Then again, what do they have that
one really needs?

lisa
olive hater

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At 04:49 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I stopped by Whole Foods (pricey organic market) to see if I
>could find some good vitamin shakes for my dad (I did).  I
>pulled into the lot behind a Lexus, parked next to a Land
>Rover, and followed a BMW out.  I was driving my Mercedes.
>
>I walked in, and they had organic Fuji apples on sale for
>$2.99/lb.  I bought non-organic Fugi apples the other day at
>the regular grocery for 89 cents a pound.  Some of the other
>prices floored me, as well.  On the other hand, I did find a
>few things, like Luna bars and yoghurt, that were cheaper
>than at Schnucks.  I think I would go broke if I did regular
>grocery shopping at Whole Foods.
>
>It is only the rich that can afford to eat that way.
>
>But I did find the wasabi chips I've been craving.
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

It's called Bread & Circus here. They have a lot of great stuff but yes,
they are expensive.

When I first moved to Chestnut Hill, it was the only supermarket I passed
on my way home. I couldn't afford to shop there and quickly found a Star
Market which was much cheaper.

Up until recently I was going there for lunch on a daily basis. It was
getting a little too pricey though. My salads were costing close to $7 and
there were too many low fat, tasty treats for me not to be tempted, it
wasn't uncommon for me to walk out of there paying $10-15 a day for my lunch.

When I do go I park my Passat GLX next to Land Rovers and more modest cars
with bumper stickers that say things like, "think world peace", "my karma
ate my dogma" and "think whirled peas". Unless of course I go to the one at
Fresh Pond in Cambridge.  The cars there are all older saabs, volvos and
volkswagens. Their bumper stickers are freedom flags and pink triangle
bumper stickers.

lisa

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:36:46PM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
= > =
= >
= > Give me a call if you have any time.  I work around the corner
= > from the airport.
=
=
= Did you connect with Nert?
=

Oh, yes, I meant to reply to your last ftf mail with that, but
got distracted from work and travel and eating dinner.  He came
over with Brian and we sat around in the kitchen talking and
drinking coffee.  They were headed out somewhere in the nearby
vicinity after that so we walked them there.

If he decides to move to Amsterdam, you can blame it on me.

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> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:36:46PM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> = > =
> = >
> = > Give me a call if you have any time.  I work around the corner
> = > from the airport.
> =
> =
> = Did you connect with Nert?
> =
>
> Oh, yes, I meant to reply to your last ftf mail with that, but
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>
> If he decides to move to Amsterdam, you can blame it on me.

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> Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:39:08 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >> Everyone's bodies are weird.
>
> > Everyone's body is weird.
>
> That sounds like we share one body.
>
> Karen
> Not this week's thistle...


Romans 12:4-5

BrP

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On Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 10:56, Karen Kay wrote:

> >> > "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."
> >>
> >> I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."
>
> > If you Google on "George Mikes" and "hot water bottles", you'll find
> > several variations on the supposed quotation. But you are right; none
> > of them mention the French, which was the way I remembered it.
>
> Why George Mikes? I remember him as vaguely repulsive for some
> reason.

It was his quote I was referring to. I liked his books - my great
aunt gave the first one to my dad in the early 1950s. Where do you
remember him from?

Tony H.

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> = Did you connect with Nert?
> =
>
> Oh, yes, I meant to reply to your last ftf mail with that, but
> got distracted from work and travel and eating dinner.  He came
> over with Brian and we sat around in the kitchen talking and
> drinking coffee.  They were headed out somewhere in the nearby
> vicinity after that so we walked them there.
>
> If he decides to move to Amsterdam, you can blame it on me.

Very cool!  I don't suppose anyone thought to take a picture.


BrP

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oops





> Date sent:              Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:09:59 +0100
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> > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:36:46PM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > = > =
> > = >
> > = > Give me a call if you have any time.  I work around the corner
> > = > from the airport.
> > =
> > =
> > = Did you connect with Nert?
> > =
> >
> > Oh, yes, I meant to reply to your last ftf mail with that, but
> > got distracted from work and travel and eating dinner.  He came
> > over with Brian and we sat around in the kitchen talking and
> > drinking coffee.  They were headed out somewhere in the nearby
> > vicinity after that so we walked them there.
> >
> > If he decides to move to Amsterdam, you can blame it on me.

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:00:19PM -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
= Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:36:54 PM, you wrote:
=
= > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:29:15PM -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
= > = Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:24:11 PM, you wrote:
= = >> Everyone's feet are weird.
= > =
= > = Everyone's bodies are weird.
= > =
=
= > Nah.  Everybody's bodies as a whole are pretty much the same, it's
= > when you start looking at the parts that it gets weird.
=
= I'm not even sure what this means. All I know is, bilateral
= symmetry is a myth.
=

It means if you put a man in a suit, he looks like a man in a
suit.  But if you start looking at his nose or his knuckles
things start getting weird.

I never said anything about bilateral symmetry.  No one is
bilaterally symmetric.

= Also, I disagree with you about Birks being for narrow feet. My
= feet are not narrow. I know narrow--I used to have Narrow Feet
= before I lived in Hawaii.
=

Then I didn't write well what I meant.  I can't get my feet into
most women's shoes because of my instep and my toes being square
at the top.  The birks are well designed for the instep, and I
don't really know what I meant by the narrow part.  I don't have
Narrow Feet, but narrow birks fit me well.

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Been a while; still organizing, and stuff, but I've missed you all sorely,
but can't seem to find a way to undo my nomail. So I'm trying it this way.
Adam, will you please help restore my subscription? I'd be most grateful. Theo

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:09:14PM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
= > = Did you connect with Nert?
= > =
= >
= > Oh, yes, I meant to reply to your last ftf mail with that, but
= > got distracted from work and travel and eating dinner.  He came
= > over with Brian and we sat around in the kitchen talking and
= > drinking coffee.  They were headed out somewhere in the nearby
= > vicinity after that so we walked them there.
= >
= > If he decides to move to Amsterdam, you can blame it on me.
=
= Very cool!  I don't suppose anyone thought to take a picture.
=
=
= BrP

Brian had one of those throw away cameras, and took one of us.
So there's proof.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 1:08:49 PM, you wrote:
> It was his quote I was referring to. I liked his books - my great
> aunt gave the first one to my dad in the early 1950s. Where do you
> remember him from?

I think I read a book he wrote about Japan when I lived there.
"Early 50's" sounds like the mindset.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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02003-02-04 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> The broader issue -- ethical and otherwise -- is that sometimes
> catastrophes are catastrophes only because of over-optimistic planning.
> Unfortunately, it seems that every generation of leaders has to learn this
> for themselves.  Thus it is that less than a century separates Triangle
> Shirtwaist and Bhopal.

Excuse me, these catstrophes happened due to what ... "over-optimistic
planning"? Could we be a little less of a fucking pompous ass?

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02003-02-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:48:13 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> > Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.
> >>
> >> Sure, I know that, but I have NO GUESSES.  I don't understand men.
> >>
> >> Ann
> >> >
>
> > I've never worn Birks
>
> > BrP
>
> > I don't understand men either
>
> But you don't understand women, either! Where does that leave
> you?

As K-R-N's evil twin ... oh wow, what a surprise.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 2:29:51 PM, you wrote:

> 02003-02-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:48:13 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> >> > Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.
>> >>
>> >> Sure, I know that, but I have NO GUESSES.  I don't understand men.
>> >>
>> >> Ann
>> >> >
>>
>> > I've never worn Birks
>>
>> > BrP
>>
>> > I don't understand men either
>>
>> But you don't understand women, either! Where does that leave
>> you?

> As K-R-N's evil twin ... oh wow, what a surprise.

LOL. Makes sense to we.:)

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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>
> 02003-02-05 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:48:13 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > >> > Men wear Birkenstocks too, you know.
> > >>
> > >> Sure, I know that, but I have NO GUESSES.  I don't understand men.
> > >>
> > >> Ann
> > >> >
> >
> > > I've never worn Birks
> >
> > > BrP
> >
> > > I don't understand men either
> >
> > But you don't understand women, either! Where does that leave
> > you?
>
> As K-R-N's evil twin ... oh wow, what a surprise.
>

1.  You are all avoiding the well-known <legend> concerning
     birkenstocks.

2.  How many times have you had this same discussion?

3.  Not that any of this matters.

                              - D. M.

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02003-02-05 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> It's taken a while but I've become used to public religiosity
> and it doesn't bother me any more. I can't relate to it but I
> don't have to fight a snigger every time a football coach or
> hip hop singer thanks God for a victory. Howard Stern rants on
> for an hour after music awards shows and other public events.
> Non-religious people are out of the mainstream now and we better
> get used to it.

That's "religious"? I am more religious than idiots like this ...

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02003-02-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually
> by this point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't
> heard a single Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but
> it just seems odd to me that I haven't.

Two words: citizen's arrest

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02003-02-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > -rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris
>
> Shouda bought 'em!
>
> I had some beauties once DAMN they were fine.

You know Borkin, I think I will personally go to Paris just to stop
this nonsense, buy those shoes and bring them to you ...

as long as I am not sent back with them hung up my LadyKillerAss[tm]

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02003-02-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> > > "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."
> >
> > I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."
>
> Does it mean that all those who haven't got hot water bottles have a
> hope  to have... Well, never mind.

Who cares? Are you cute?

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> 02003-02-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually
> > by this point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't
> > heard a single Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but
> > it just seems odd to me that I haven't.
>
> Two words: citizen's arrest

Are you writing for Letterman's TOP TEN LIST ?

BrP

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Birk lover, have wide feet and the wide sizes fit well.  First pair ca.
1981-1982.

I really like the all-plastic ones, too -- go anywhere, do anything, and
wash 'em off and they still look nice.

And I'm using a pair of black plastic Birk clogs as semi-dress shoes, and
pack them as my only shoes for quick business trips -- nice enough to look
kinda semi-dressy if you don't mind looking a little weird, waterproof and
covered enough for light rain and snow, comfortable enough for long
walking, and you can kick them off on the plane.  Key to using them
successfully is really thick SmartWool socks, which I also love.

Not quite Birks, but I did backpack and then boulder-climb up a peak in
nothing but a pair of Chaco Z1 Terrenos and a couple of pairs of SmartWool
socks this summer.  (Okay, I had clothes and stuff, too, but no other
footgear.)  Some god-awful thing like 15 miles over 3-4 days at
10,000-12,590 feet. <http://peterkaminski.com/photos/WY-200208/>

Geeze, it's fun to look at those.  What an absolutely grand time.

Pete

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 2:54:56 PM, you wrote:
> 1.  You are all avoiding the well-known <legend> concerning
>      birkenstocks.

What legend?

> 2.  How many times have you had this same discussion?

Enough so that I was *sure* I was not the furthest-back
Birkie-wearer.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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On Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 21:43, Doris Markland wrote:

> After we docked I sat down on a bench in front of
> Aloha Tower to wait for Gene to get the car.  Found myself
> sitting next to a guy who was waiting for his wife to pick
> him up.  We started visiting.  He wondered if I were local
> and where I lived when I'm not here.  We discovered at one
> time we both lived in Minnesota.  As we were talking I
> noticed that kids were standing around staring, and a few
> came up and got his autograph.  He signed their t-shirts
> and their scraps of paper "Richard Gannon."  Still didn't
> mean anything to me.  But after his wife came by and
> picked him up, a whole bunch of little local brudda's came
> up and said "Do you know who you were sitting there talking
> to?" and I said "His name is Rich Gannon" and they said
> "You mean you didn't even know he's the quarterback for
> the Oakland Raiders?????"
>
> Nah.  But he was nice and was sure good looking.

I passed this on to my boss, who is unaccountably a huge Raiders fan.
I mean, his office is permanently decorated with Raiders pennants,
calendars, and the like, and he's been talking of nothing else for
weeks. We live in different worlds, I think. He was seriously gelous,
and completely amazed that I actually knew someone who has met the
great Rich Gannon! I just couldn't let on that I'd never heard of him
either.

Doris, you are instructed that if you bump into this guy again you
are to get his autograph for my boss, and if it's on an item of your
clothing, he'll pay for that too.

Tony H.

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> > I had some beauties once DAMN they were fine.
>
> You know Borkin, I think I will personally go to Paris just to stop
> this nonsense, buy those shoes and bring them to you ...

Hey on second thought maybe I -do- understand men.  To a certain extent of
course.

> as long as I am not sent back with them hung up my LadyKillerAss[tm]

NEVER.

Wanna flirt?

Ann

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I think I've asked this in the past:  Is chutney (jarred) that's been in
the refrigerator for about 14 months still ago?  I'm about to make
chicken curry balls to freeze.  This is the recipe that calls for
"chopped chutney" but that I have never understood what is since the
only chutney I've ever found has been jelly like.  But it works fine.  I
just bought all the other ingredients, plus those for cheese-bacon
crispies and crab puffs, and would have bought new chutney if Wmart had
had it.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Saturday, I was at work at Sears, and it seemed that, to most people,
>it was just a normal, ordinary day.  I think most people have become
>numb to mass death since 9-11; they put it out of their minds.
>Just MHO, of course, and I may be wrong.
>Evelyn Duncan

It was just an ordinary day to me.  Nor do I think of seven people dying as
"mass" death.


    --bonniev

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At 08:22 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
> > don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to Torondevous,
> > but they gave us blisters).
>
>I've never had them.  And here are my guesses for other women on this
>list who've never worn them:
>
>D.M.
>Evelyn
>Harwell Toal
>Betty
>Theo

I've worn two pair out.

Betty
This week's thistle

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02003-02-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > 02003-02-05 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > Perhaps I haven't been running around in the <right circles>, but usually
> > > by this point in any disaster the dark humor starts to appear.  I haven't
> > > heard a single Columbia joke yet.  It's fine if I don't ever hear one, but
> > > it just seems odd to me that I haven't.
> >
> > Two words: citizen's arrest
>
> Are you writing for Letterman's TOP TEN LIST ?

Two words: hell no

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02003-02-05 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Saturday, I was at work at Sears, and it seemed that, to most people,
> >it was just a normal, ordinary day.  I think most people have become
> >numb to mass death since 9-11; they put it out of their minds.
> >Just MHO, of course, and I may be wrong.
> >Evelyn Duncan
>
> It was just an ordinary day to me.  Nor do I think of seven people dying as
> "mass" death.

How about 150 dying in a train accident? My breakpoint is 330.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 3:06:20 PM, you wrote:

> At 08:22 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe I'm the only Wordsler who's never had them? Birkenstock lookalikes
>> > don't count, right? (Emily and I bought some on our way up to Torondevous,
>> > but they gave us blisters).
>>
>>I've never had them.  And here are my guesses for other women on this
>>list who've never worn them:
>>
>>D.M.
>>Evelyn
>>Harwell Toal
>>Betty
>>Theo

> I've worn two pair out.

I thought so.

> Betty
> This week's thistle

Dang!

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> That's "religious"? I am more religious than idiots like this ...

I just learned that there is to be yet another Columbia memorial service
tomorrow, at which our vice president will appear, having emerged from
an undisclosed secure location. So get ready for a few more prayers and
hymns.

alyce

--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
http://www.alybooks.com
charter member: IOBA
independent on-line booksellers association
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I think I've asked this in the past:  Is chutney (jarred) that's been in
> the refrigerator for about 14 months still ago?

You have asked before. It was OK before and it is OK now, assuming there
is not a layer of mold on top.

alyce

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Few seek castration. Surprise.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/expressnews/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=184&xlc=940917
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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 4:43:26 PM, you wrote:
> Few seek castration. Surprise.

What surprised me was this: " Of 49 inmates who have requested
the procedure since the law passed in 1997, 14 were found to be
eligible based on their conviction history."

So, 3 times as many seek it as are eligible for it. I think it's
gross that you have to wait till you have two convictions.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:02:12 PM Central Standard Time,
tony@HARMINC.COM writes:


> Doris, you are instructed that if you bump into this guy again you
> are to get his autograph for my boss, and if it's on an item of your
> clothing, he'll pay for that too.
>
> Tony H.
>

Too bad we didn't know this sooner.  I could have gotten
it with no problem.

             - D. M.

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At 05:43 PM 2/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Few seek castration. Surprise.
>
>http://www.mysanantonio.com/expressnews/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=184&xlc=940917
>--
>alyce

Maybe those violated would like to assist in the procedure.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

> 1.  You are all avoiding the well-known <legend> concerning
>      birkenstocks.

What legend?

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:59:15PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
= Birk lover, have wide feet and the wide sizes fit well.  First pair ca.
= 1981-1982.
=
= I really like the all-plastic ones, too -- go anywhere, do anything, and
= wash 'em off and they still look nice.
=
= And I'm using a pair of black plastic Birk clogs as semi-dress shoes, and
= pack them as my only shoes for quick business trips -- nice enough to look
= kinda semi-dressy if you don't mind looking a little weird, waterproof and

Pete, this is weird.  Not just a little weird.  But whatever.

= covered enough for light rain and snow, comfortable enough for long
= walking, and you can kick them off on the plane.  Key to using them
= successfully is really thick SmartWool socks, which I also love.
=

I may have to get some of these.

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Tushar Samant quoted:
[I must have missed the original -- have been flying through mail today
-- had to get into shopping/cooking.]
>
> 02003-02-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > -rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris
> >
> > Shouda bought 'em!
> >
> > I had some beauties once DAMN they were fine.

Have y'all heard the joke about Nookie Green?  It's a majorly dumb joke,
but one of my lunch friends, a hilarious cajun chemist, almost choked
with laughter when it was told and keeps telling it and retelling it and
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> walking, and you can kick them off on the plane.  Key to using them

I like shoes easily kickoffable in cars also.  I hate driving with shoes
on.

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:24:34PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Tushar Samant quoted:
= [I must have missed the original -- have been flying through mail today
= -- had to get into shopping/cooking.]
= >
= > 02003-02-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
= > > > -rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris
= > >
= > > Shouda bought 'em!
= > >
= > > I had some beauties once DAMN they were fine.
=
= Have y'all heard the joke about Nookie Green?  It's a majorly dumb joke,
= but one of my lunch friends, a hilarious cajun chemist, almost choked
= with laughter when it was told and keeps telling it and retelling it and
= falling out laughing.
=

No Natalie, what's the joke about Nookie Green?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > 2.  How many times have you had this same discussion?
>
> Enough so that I was *sure* I was not the furthest-back
> Birkie-wearer.

Who is?  You're still at the top of the chart based on current
reporting.

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bonniev wrote:

> It was just an ordinary day to me.  Nor do I think of seven people dying as
> "mass" death.

I didn't think it was exactly an ordinary day, but I did get my psyche
back to normal from it much more quickly than I did after the Challenger
went down.  The difference might have been that the Challenger was the
first (I think) to have an <regular person> aboard, and the thought of
her students watching her death on tv was upsetting.  And there was all
that time the Challenger crew presumably had to think about what was
happening before they died.  (The Columbia crew is thought to have had a
little while, right?  Like it probably wasn't instant death.)

Anyway, I did find Saturday morning upsetting, but not as upsetting as
some other crashes/explosions/deaths.

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 5:27:54 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > 2.  How many times have you had this same discussion?
>>
>> Enough so that I was *sure* I was not the furthest-back
>> Birkie-wearer.

> Who is?  You're still at the top of the chart based on current
> reporting.

If I knew, I would have said. I'm thinking Judith, for some
reason.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > I think I've asked this in the past:  Is chutney (jarred) that's been in
> > the refrigerator for about 14 months still ago?
>
> You have asked before. It was OK before and it is OK now, assuming there
> is not a layer of mold on top.

Thank you!  I was going to check back for a reply before gouping it into
the stuff, but then I realized I was getting behind and really needed to
go on and do it.  For one thing, I don't want to be fooling with
interesting-smelling stuff in the kitchen tonight since this is the
night Spencer can't eat anything after 6 p.m. and can't have breakfast
tomorrow.  I'm still worrying about what to do tomorrow morning.  One
possibility is to make myself stay in bed until 6:30 or so, then get up
and take a shower and get dressed and go on and take Spencer to his 7:30
appointment without doing anything at all in the kitchen.  Then I could
either come back home and eat breakfast or stop at the Bagel Cafe and
eat there, as lots of people do every morning.  Or I could go to the
Starkville Cafe and eat bacon and eggs and grits.  All in all, I'll be
glad when it's this time tomorrow and Spencer and his clean crooked
teeth are home.

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02003-02-05 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> > > I had some beauties once DAMN they were fine.
> >
> > You know Borkin, I think I will personally go to Paris just to stop
> > this nonsense, buy those shoes and bring them to you ...
>
> Hey on second thought maybe I -do- understand men.  To a certain extent
> of course.

In his "Articulating Reasons: An Introduction to Inferentialism"
(an approachable introduction to the complex system that his
Making It Explicit mapped out), Robert Brandom talks about the
realtion between unconscious manipulation and understanding.

> > as long as I am not sent back with them hung up my LadyKillerAss[tm]
>
> NEVER.
>
> Wanna flirt?

If I am pricked, do I not bleed? I have remnants of feelings
sputternig in this all but extinguished heart--though I guess
Dr Borkin is free to play with them

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steph wrote:

> No Natalie, what's the joke about Nookie Green?

It's super stupid.

Father Jones was hearing confession, and this young man told him he had
sinned -- that he had had sex three times with Nookie Green.  The priest
told him to go and sin no more or whatever.  The next day another man
came in and said he had had sex five times with Nookie Green.  After
telling him whatever priests tell sinners, the priest started asking
around about Nookie Green and learned that she was a gorgeous woman who
had recently moved to town and that she was a bit loose.  A few days
later the priest was in the front of the church with an altar boy
setting up things for mass, when this beautiful woman walked in, wearing
all green -- a green blouse, a green mini-skirt, even green shoes.  She
sat down on the front row with her legs in a very casual position.  The
priest was getting kind of antsy.  He whispered to the altar boy, "Is
that Nookie Green?"  The altar boy replied, "I don't think so, Father.
I think that's just the reflection off her shoes."

I told you it was dumb.  But I couldn't help thinking of it when green
shoes came up here, given that we've all been kidding our friend Paul
about his fascination with that dumb joke.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Who is?  You're still at the top of the chart based on current
> > reporting.
>
> If I knew, I would have said. I'm thinking Judith, for some
> reason.

I don't think so.  She's very thrifty re things like that and is more
inclined to find bargain-basement stuff than to buy expensive shoes.

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steph writes,

>Pete, this is weird.  Not just a little weird.  But whatever.

They're black and leather-texture, and I think they look less weird (okay,
not lots, but still) than my dress leather Oxford-style Birk shoes.  I get
very few funny looks when wearing them.

They're my feet's best compromise with the real world so far. :)

They have the advantage (or dis- :-) of looking very similar to some brand
of clogs that professional chefs wear in kitchens, with a great deal of
respect.  Had a brother rib me gently in the NYC subway about them; he
thought it was funny that guys would wear "girl" shoes, but he gave me
props for wearing 'em because professional chefs wear them, too, and didn't
want to fault my professionalism for that reason, even if he thought
personally they were weird.

Pete

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita:
>
>> I don't think you are, though; that's the problem.  The
>> minority voice has taken over.  I may possibly be the only
>> wordsler who goes to church every Sunday, and it bugs *me*.
>
>
> Bethany?


I forgot about Bethany.


> But I see what you mean. There are plenty of churchgoers in my
> ftf life.
>
> So why does it bug you?


        Because it makes an assumption that Christianity is the
mainstream or *should be* the mainstream -- both of which
are not true.  Also, the particular brand of Christianity
that tends to be portrayed is the ugly, fundamentalist kind,
which represents a small minority of the church-going minority.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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I have described before how they shoot newsletters from a lameass Java
badly-reinvented-wheel "enterprise mailing list" at an absurd cost.
Passing lightly over this month's new low (HTML tags in the text/plain
part), let's look at the content: he bloody took something I had posted
on usenet about a poetry reading years ago and pasted it in the newsletter!
Makes me kind of look like an idiot too ...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>It was just an ordinary day to me.  Nor do I think of seven people dying as
>>"mass" death.
>>
>
> I didn't think it was exactly an ordinary day, but I did get my psyche
> back to normal from it much more quickly than I did after the Challenger
> went down.  The difference might have been that the Challenger was the
> first (I think) to have an <regular person> aboard, and the thought of
> her students watching her death on tv was upsetting.  And there was all
> that time the Challenger crew presumably had to think about what was
> happening before they died.  (The Columbia crew is thought to have had a
> little while, right?  Like it probably wasn't instant death.)
>
> Anyway, I did find Saturday morning upsetting, but not as upsetting as
> some other crashes/explosions/deaths.


        I'm still thinking about it, even without access to the news
all day.  I don't know why.  The liturgist who read the
prayers of the people on Sunday choked up when she mentioned
it.

        I told my Challenger story to one of my classes today. I
remembered that I had seen it explode live, since they
televised the launches back then, but I couldn't figure out
why since we didn't have TV's in the classrooms (I then
threatned them with having to see the Apple Dumpling Gang if
they don't start writing their essays, one of two movies the
school district owned and tortured us with on every half
day).  It came back to me that I was in the guidance office
that day because I'd been kicked out of class, not an
infrequent occurance.  They loved this.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Thanks for the suggestions. I passed them along.  We'll see
what comes of it.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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SnowBash 2003 will be March 8 and 9, 2003.  The usual Dish and dishing will
apply for Saturday night, as will going to Fran's in Feeding Hills for
breakfast Sunday morning.

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> SnowBash 2003 will be March 8 and 9, 2003.  The usual Dish and dishing will
> apply for Saturday night, as will going to Fran's in Feeding Hills for
> breakfast Sunday morning.

Heavens.  I thought it was going to be sometime totally different from
that time period.  Spencer already has reservations at Furrbabies
starting the morning of March 8 and lasting until the afternoon of March
16.  I may have to give this situation some thought.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-02-05 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>     Because it makes an assumption that Christianity is the
> mainstream or *should be* the mainstream -- both of which
> are not true.  Also, the particular brand of Christianity
> that tends to be portrayed is the ugly, fundamentalist kind,
> which represents a small minority of the church-going minority.

It was basically the excess of this kind of thing in India which
finally turned my opinions upside down. I had grown up with healthy
down-home convictions that I was the majority, the city was mine,
everyone else is a "P.C." idiot etc etc. But over the years, as
a bunch of thugs went from small-scale to very grandly designed
xenophobia (or Muslim-baiting and backward class-baiting, to be
frank), unknowingly the feelings turned to disgust. Anyway, my
point is that with the most obscene excesses of "religious"
grandstanding, nobody invoked god in as low and dorky a way as
I later saw in the US. That, and endorsing any vulgar use of
the flag, are two things I find repulsive about the current
period in America. Sorry, I will never call wearing a stars-
and-stripes bikini patriotic. (Nor a tie, in case you mis-
understand what I think is vulgar.)

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> memememe. I don't see myself ever getting one - they're so
> not my style.

I have some Clarks sandals that I like. Do those count? All the Birkenstocks
I've seen have no ankle straps and that bugs me.

> -rashmi, who came this close to buying green shoes in Paris

Les souliers vert! (a great song by Lynda Lemay from Canada)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Chase this URL:

http://www.memphisstuff.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=MS1&Category_Code=MHST
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I have some Clarks sandals that I like. Do those count? All the Birkenstocks
> I've seen have no ankle straps and that bugs me.

What do you mean by ankle straps?  Straps that are way up on the
ankles?  One reason I like Birkenstocks is my desire for the least
bodily contact.  That's why Birkenstock Madrids are my favorite.
They're almost like being barefooted.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Chase this URL:
> http://www.memphisstuff.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=MS1&Category_Code=MHST

I appreciate the thought, but I hate white t-shirts.  And I buy only l-s
t-shirts these days.  I've sworn off of ss ones.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Do any of you think that CP made a good case for war today?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Do any of you think that CP made a good case for war today?

The reason I asked was that nobody had said anything about it.  I don't
think there was much of a case made.  But even if he had produced a
<smoking gun>, I think that it would be crazy for the US to go it alone
(or outside of the UN).  Iow, if the smoke is clear enough, the rest of
the world (via the UN) should be able to confirm the smokiness.

--
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> Adam, will you please help restore my subscription? I'd be most
> grateful. Theo

Thank Jim Bradley - he got to it before I could. Thanks, Jim!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 7:10:45 PM, you wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>> Do any of you think that CP made a good case for war today?

> The reason I asked was that nobody had said anything about it.

I am currently taping the unedited version.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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> What do you mean by ankle straps?  Straps that are way up on the
> ankles?

Straps that go around the top of the heel and support the ankle.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 8:05:07 PM, you wrote:

>> What do you mean by ankle straps?  Straps that are way up on the
>> ankles?

> Straps that go around the top of the heel and support the ankle.

And they keep the back of the shoe from flop-flop-flopping.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>  nobody invoked god in as low and dorky a way as
> I later saw in the US. That, and endorsing any vulgar use of
> the flag, are two things I find repulsive about the current
> period in America.

What he said.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Do any of you think that CP made a good case for war today?

No. The coverage on the "news" indicates that a lot of people were
persuaded that Saddam is indeed evil, when they'd been doubtful before.
That seems to be being translated as, "So we must go to war," at least
in the official White House line. But as the German UN ambassador said,
"Yes, he is evil, but we can contain him and war is not necessary."  I
am very upset that the networks seem to equate proof of evilness with
the necessity for war, as I don't see what one has to do with the other.
As of tonight, we have 133,000 kids (and counting) poised to strike from
Kuwait or ships or airbases in the GIA (General iraqi Area). That is
25,000 more than last week at this time. I think that there will be
250,000 in a month's time. And then...

alyce

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > What do you mean by ankle straps?  Straps that are way up on the
> > ankles?
>
> Straps that go around the top of the heel and support the ankle.

Lots of Birkenstocks have that kind of strap.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> 25,000 more than last week at this time. I think that there will be
> 250,000 in a month's time. And then...

Isn't the general belief that the war is going to start about a month
from now -- the first week in March?

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 9:16:24 PM, you wrote:
> alyce cresap wrote:
>> 25,000 more than last week at this time. I think that there will be
>> 250,000 in a month's time. And then...

> Isn't the general belief that the war is going to start about a month
> from now -- the first week in March?

That may be new. I've heard that if it doesn't start by March, it
won't start till fall.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 8:46:16 PM, you wrote:
> As of tonight, we have 133,000 kids (and counting) poised to strike from
> Kuwait or ships or airbases in the GIA (General iraqi Area). That is
> 25,000 more than last week at this time. I think that there will be
> 250,000 in a month's time. And then...

We're going to have a ground war?! Ick.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Isn't the general belief that the war is going to start about a month
> from now -- the first week in March?

Yes, after the Hadj and a full moon.

alyce

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I shat a brick laughing when I saw this. This is what happens
when you give votes to the natives ...

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/>

Remember, HISTORY'S TOP TEN songs ... screwed over by
bollywood stupids going hell for leather! I support this
fully. My peple, you have done me proud. You have taken
"Angry Drunken Dwarf" to the next level. Especially #8.
Kick ass ...

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Karen Kay wrote:
> We're going to have a ground war?! Ick.

What? You thought it would be a few bombs dropped and it would be over?
No. I believe they are expecting to fight house-to-house in Baghdad, or
at least that is what they've been training kids to do. They have built
little model city blocks for them to practice in.

alyce

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02003-02-05 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/>
>
> fully. My peple, you have done me proud. You have taken
> "Angry Drunken Dwarf" to the next level. Especially #8.

Sorry, I meant #9, the most unbelievably stupid song ever.

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:16:35PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= 02003-02-05 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
= > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/>
= >
= > fully. My peple, you have done me proud. You have taken
= > "Angry Drunken Dwarf" to the next level. Especially #8.
=
= Sorry, I meant #9, the most unbelievably stupid song ever.

Oh, you had me worried there for a minute.

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> > It's taken a while but I've become used to public religiosity
> > and it doesn't bother me any more. I can't relate to it but I
> > don't have to fight a snigger every time a football coach or
> > hip hop singer thanks God for a victory. Howard Stern rants on
> > for an hour after music awards shows and other public events.

>That's "religious"? I am more religious than idiots like this ...

d00d, I'm talking about public religiosity. There's a big difference.

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This news item:

|President Bush's budget -- which includes a bold tax-cut package --
projects
| deficits of $307 billion this year and $304 billion next year --
surpassing
| the record $290 billion deficit of 1992 under the first President
Bush.
from: http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/05/debt.limit.ap/index.html

reminds me somewhat of something I read in the Tom Brokaw autobigraphy:

"Jim Conley [TB's grandfather] admired Herbert Hoover, a native of
nearby Iowa .... It is likely that Jim voted for Hoover in the 1928
presidential election.  But what happened in the thirties would make my
grandfather an ardent Democrat for his remaining days."
p. 15, Tom Brokaw's _A Long Way from Home_

Maybe more voters will start wising up.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I trust USA Wordslers had a happy National Signing Day yesterday.  I'm
pleasantly surprised to see hope for our ultra sucky team.  Our
recruiting class amazingly came out at #20:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/recruiting/news/2003/02/03/top25classes/

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Maybe more voters will start wising up.

Maybe.  I'm not holding my breath; American people like their shock-n-awe
wars, and Bush even thinks this one is free so far, or so he tells
us.  From istori/log:

Bush budget contains $10 in new spending for every dollar in tax cuts,
Libertarians say. [1]

Not only that, but "The budget contains no cost estimate of a war in Iraq,
nor a request to pay for a military engagement.... The president should
have at least noted in his budget forward that a war with Iraq could
significantly worsen the federal budget deficit. Unfortunately, this
omission points to a worrisome trend of obfuscation about the long-term
burden of an Iraqi war, and especially its complex aftermath," says the
Christian Science Monitor. [2]

But as it has demonstrated already, this administration is good at
obfuscation. "Someone, blow the whistle on Bush's excessive secrecy." [3]

Duck-and-cover Presidency. Just what this country needs.

[1] http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=627
[2] http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0205/p08s01-comv.html
[3] http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0206/p09s02-coop.html

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-02-05 | Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@AKAD.EE> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Tony Harminc <tony@HARMINC.COM> writes:
> > > > "The French have sex; the British have hot water bottles."
> > >
> > > I think it's "The rest of the world has sex ..."
> >
> > Does it mean that all those who haven't got hot water bottles have a
> > hope  to have... Well, never mind.
>
> Who cares? Are you cute?

TMI

Kr.

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > We're going to have a ground war?! Ick.
>
>What? You thought it would be a few bombs dropped and it would be over?
>No. I believe they are expecting to fight house-to-house in Baghdad, or
>at least that is what they've been training kids to do. They have built
>little model city blocks for them to practice in.
>alyce

Even I knew it was to be a ground war.  Are not the Israelis teaching our
troops about house to house combat within a town?

By the way, let me add my voice to the chorus of "welcome homes",
Alyce.  I'm proud to know that my socks were a hit in the hospital.  Are
you considering getting Spike back?


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  I will never call wearing a stars-
> and-stripes bikini patriotic. (Nor a tie, in case you mis-
> understand what I think is vulgar.)

I never liked when winners of sports competitions put their national
flags on their shoulders and half wrapped themselves in a flag as if it
were a towel.

A tie with national colors -- well, this is another thing. But sure
there's a difference whether a person wears a tie with three colours (in
our case they are rather modest), not inevitably designed exactly the
same way as they are on the flag,  or there are strips and stars as if
the tie was cut out from a flag.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> A tie with national colors -- well, this is another thing.

I should've said, "another matter", I guess

Kr.

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Kristin Sarv writes,

> > A tie with national colors -- well, this is another thing.
>
>I should've said, "another matter", I guess

Kristin, your English is so good you should nitpick. :)

Only because you're nitpicking: "a different matter" sounds more
idiomatically correct to me.  "Another matter" is about as off as "another
thing" (which is to say a little, but not much).

Pete

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > A tie with national colors -- well, this is another thing.
>
> I should've said, "another matter", I guess

"Another thing" is fine.

--
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>Kristin, your English is so good you should nitpick. :)

"shouldn't"

And *I* should sleep more. :)

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Kristin Sarv writes,
>
> > > A tie with national colors -- well, this is another thing.
> >
> >I should've said, "another matter", I guess
>
> Kristin, your English is so good you should nitpick. :)

:) Sure, only I must find out, and I'll start looking for it in a minute, what
"nitpick" might mean.

Thanks, anyway, and for the remark, too.

> Only because you're nitpicking: "a different matter" sounds more
> idiomatically correct to me.  "Another matter" is about as off as "another
> thing" (which is to say a little, but not much).

Kristin

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As it happens, one of my start-up's co-founders, Ross Mayfield, has an
Estonian wife, and his first child was born in Estonia.

He worked in Estonia for a while, and served as an advisor to the Office of
the President of Estonia when he was there.

And cross your fingers -- our first paying customer may be in Warsaw, and
they'll need some work on-site...

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Kristin Sarv writes,
>
> > > A tie with national colors -- well, this is another thing.
> >
> >I should've said, "another matter", I guess
>
> Kristin, your English is so good you should nitpick. :)
>
> Only because you're nitpicking: "a different matter" sounds more
> idiomatically correct to me.  "Another matter" is about as off as "another
> thing" (which is to say a little, but not much).

I don't think anything is off at all about "another matter" or "another
thing" -- or, of course, "a different matter."  I would be likely in
casual conversation to say "a whole nother thing."  I'm not necessarily
recommending it for Kristin, though.  It's one of those things native
speakers can do that somebody might wonder about from a non-native
speaker.  Like a French person can say jokingly "beaucoup, beaucoup,"
but a foreigner would perhaps sound as if she just didn't know the
French <rules> if saying that.  Otoh, "nother" might sound less like
that.  If that makes sense, which it probably doesn't because I just
looked at the clock and saw that it's time to take Spencer.  The morning
has worked out fine.

Later.

--
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> :) Sure, only I must find out, and I'll start looking for it in a minute, what
> "nitpick" might mean.

Found it. I've sometimes missed that word in English, I should say. For the notion
for nit-picking in Estonian, if one should translate it literally, is "chewing
letters".

Kristin

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> >Kristin, your English is so good you should nitpick. :)
>
> "shouldn't"

Aha. I almost thought, before your correction, that some shade of
meaning of that word escaped me.

> And *I* should sleep more. :)

Hit the bed! (Why I had a temptation to say exactly this I do not know.
Maybe because it *is* a funny expression.)

Kristin

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bonniev wrote:
>
  I'm proud to know that my socks were a hit in the hospital.

They certainly were. Never has any footware been more admired, really.
It was unbelievable how much praise they received, how many ooooohs and
aaaaaahs. I could have taken orders for big bucks and made your fortune.

> Are
> you considering getting Spike back?

Well, that would be a nice thing. At this time I cannot consider it
because I am in limbo about the biopsy thing and I am not sure how OK I
am at this moment. I would not want to get him back and then have to
give him up again. Also, he may have found a home meanwhile. I have not
inquired, but the day I went into the hospital, the lady said that she
had someone coming to see him. If he did get adopted again, I will be
happy. When I am more sure of how I am, I will ask about Spike or
someone else. Might even consider a cat because Ken's allergies are not
a consideration now. I would like to have company, yes, but it is not
quite the right time yet.

alyce
>     --bonniev


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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:38:34 +0200
From: Kristin Sarv <Kristin.Sarv@akad.ee>
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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> As it happens, one of my start-up's co-founders, Ross Mayfield, has an
> Estonian wife, and his first child was born in Estonia.
>
> He worked in Estonia for a while, and served as an advisor to the Office of
> the President of Estonia when he was there.

TWIS - The world is small. I didn't remember his name, but found a site of a
monthly with an article from 1996 about the Office and its team.

> And cross your fingers -- our first paying customer may be in Warsaw, and
> they'll need some work on-site...

And this means...? Am I slow to understand?

Kristin

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At 12:48 PM 2/5/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
>>>I didn't remember that we were your firsts. What an honor!
>>
>>Marcia and Torkel were my firsts. Then Espen and his very young children.
>
>Rashmi was my first, but I think we'd at least registered each others faces
>before we ever encountered each other online. She was a library <patron>.
>
>My first official words-l ftf didn't happen, I think, until I had moved to
>NYC -- Myles, Tom Lee, Steve Karlson, and Emily at the Louisiana Community
>Bar and Grill or whatever.
>
>Marie

Mama P was my first ftf. Or was it Jim Bradley. I can't remember if I drove
up to Judith's house with him or not. I don't think I did. From Judith's we
drove to Cambridge to meet Rita, Bayla, Nancy (who's last name is escaping
me) and hmm.. who else? We were going to the Cambridge Brewing company for
the Pre-Clam Slam.

My favorite FTF was shocking the ever loving hell outta Tushar and Heather
when I saw them lingering around the platform of the Harvard Sq. T stop.

lisa

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At 09:21 AM 2/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>> >How many years ago?  A new list contest might to to see who had the
>>> >first Birkenstocks.      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>
>>>Looks like it might have been 1988.
>
>>Ok, the rankings so far are these:
>
>>1. Karen 1974
>>2. Natalie 1980
>>3. Bonniemae 1988
>
>>Surely others will check in.
>
>Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
>would be me.
>
>-rashmi

I'll join you in that column. I don't have anything against Birks but I've
never really wanted a pair either.

lisa

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At 09:02 AM 2/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Can I start a column for "never ever intends to get one". That
>>would be me.
>
>Yeah, throw me in there too. Maybe we're the Doc Martens column?
>
>Marie

Ahh yeah.. much better.

Doc wearer since 1993.

lisa
and I still have the original pair.

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Kristin Sarv writes,

> > And cross your fingers -- our first paying customer may be in Warsaw, and
> > they'll need some work on-site...
>
>And this means...? Am I slow to understand?

Road trip!  Ross and/or I and others from our little company may get to fly
to Warsaw.  (Ross' wife might even be able to tag along to Franfurt, then
divert to Estonia to visit family and friends.)

And I really love travelling and seeing new places.

Pete

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>Mama P was my first ftf. Or was it Jim Bradley. I can't remember if I drove
>up to Judith's house with him or not. I don't think I did. From Judith's we
>drove to Cambridge to meet Rita, Bayla, Nancy (who's last name is escaping
>me) and hmm.. who else? We were going to the Cambridge Brewing company for
>the Pre-Clam Slam.
>

We drove up to Judith's. I don't remember Bayla in Boston, but do
remember Rita, //Anne//, Joan Boorstein, Two guys from Tufts,
another one from Brown. Memory fade is terrible. Whatever happened
to that picture?

/Jim

>My favorite FTF was shocking the ever loving hell outta Tushar and Heather
>when I saw them lingering around the platform of the Harvard Sq. T stop.
>
>lisa

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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 10:14:25 PM, you wrote:
> What? You thought it would be a few bombs dropped and it would be over?

Well, that's our norm.

> No. I believe they are expecting to fight house-to-house in Baghdad, or
> at least that is what they've been training kids to do. They have built
> little model city blocks for them to practice in.

I'm not liking this at all.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I'm not liking this at all.
>
I am surprised that you only just now seem to be realizing what is
planned. Did you not hear anything of this before?

alyce

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Some of the Virgin Islands National Guard have been called to active duty!

http://new.onepaper.com/stthomasvi/?v=d&i=&s=News:Local&p=59507


Amy

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I watched the bio of Bayard Rustin on our local PBS last night (it was a repeat and I
had seen part of it before).  He is quoted as saying (Idon't remember the exact
words) that every bomb dropped on Vietnam also dropped on the United States.
Words to be heeded in the current rush to madness.


BrP





> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm not liking this at all.
> >
> I am surprised that you only just now seem to be realizing what is
> planned. Did you not hear anything of this before?
>
> alyce

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>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>Yeah, throw me in there too. Maybe we're the Doc Martens column?
>
>Ahh yeah.. much better.
>
>Doc wearer since 1993.
>
>lisa
>and I still have the original pair.

I actually never had a pair until we went to London in 2000 and Bruce bought
them for me as my birthday gift. They are boots and they are red, and I hope
to have them for the rest of my life. ("Granny in her red boots.")

Marie


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>I actually never had a pair until we went to London in 2000
>and Bruce bought them for me as my birthday gift. They are boots and they
are
>red, and I hope to have them for the rest of my life. ("Granny in her red
boots.")
>
>Marie
>
>

 Marie,

You gotta be a mommy, before you get the granny title.


alec


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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 9:33:40 AM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I'm not liking this at all.
>>
> I am surprised that you only just now seem to be realizing what is
> planned. Did you not hear anything of this before?

No--I would have realized then what is planned.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Early flight (uggh) to Bergen tomorrow morning, but I will remember to bring a camera.

Espen

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Espen Ore
>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:08 AM
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>
>
>Early flight (uggh) to Bergen tomorrow morning, but I will
>remember to bring a camera.
>
>Espen
>

Have fun Grandpa Espen :)


alec

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11:09 06.02.2003 -0500 skrev Alec D. Plotkin:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: English Language Discussion Group
>>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Espen Ore
>>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:08 AM
>>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Off to see the twins
>>
>>
>>Early flight (uggh) to Bergen tomorrow morning, but I will
>>remember to bring a camera.
>>
>>Espen
>>
>
>Have fun Grandpa Espen :)

Thank you - maybe *I* should get red boots.

Espen

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 7:38:48 AM, you wrote:
> Might even consider a cat because Ken's allergies are not
> a consideration now. I would like to have company, yes, but it is not
> quite the right time yet.

I have a very nice cat looking for a home. She even came in the
house yesterday, which I think is a healthy thing (for her, not
me--I had to shoo her out, but it's the first time she evinced
any interest in coming inside). She has a great personality is
extremely congenial as well as being smart and brave.

And she has all of her claws. You could name her!

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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>You gotta be a mommy, before you get the granny title.

Oh shut up. I'm trying.

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At 07:07 PM 2/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Do any of you think that CP made a good case for war today?
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

No. He didn't tell me anything I didn't already thing possible. I suspected
we had "proof" already. That's why we're in there with inspectors. So what
he showed photos and gave examples?

This morning I listened to some interviews NPR conducted at a local VFW
Hall. The first man they talked to had fought in Iran and Iraq, he was for
war. The second man fought in Korea, he was against war. He said the US
stopped wars, not started them. For the third interview they spoke to a
woman who was in Desert Storm. She was also against war. She said we've
waited too long and given SH too much time to prepare. Going in there now
would subject us to all the weapons we know he has.

Personally, I still don't know what to do or think. I think about places
like Cuban. We never went to war with them (and yes I'm aware of the Cuban
Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs Invasion) and we had the same sort of
spy plane pictures we have of Iraq. Is Castro a threat to the US today? Is
he contained? Is what he does to his people a concern of ours?

I also think going to war in Iraq will cause more unrest in the region.
We'll end up with fighting against more countries than Iraq. I don't think
it's going to be as contained as Desert Storm. Without the added support of
Russia, Germany and whomever else is turning away how long can we dominate?

Given all this, you'd think I'm clearly against war. Truthfully though,
there is  a small bug in my ear that says, "take him out". I don't really
know why I feel this way. I can't think of one good reason to do this. I
know the argument is that he harbors terrorists but I think there's a
greater threat of terrorists living and training in the vastness of Asia
rather than the middle east. Hell, they're here on our own soil. Besides,
all the ties I have been made aware of are to Afghanistan and Bin Laden's
training camps. It's not to say I don't Iraq has or would have terrorist
training camps. I just wish we could contain him rather than let this stuff
spill out all over the place.

One thing I will say is this, if Bush does go ahead and start a war, I will
support our soldiers. My dad was in the Navy for 30 years, my brother for 4
and my uncle in the Marines for 4, I respect the military regardless of
whether or not I agree with their command and chief.

lisa

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Karen Kay wrote:
> No--I would have realized then what is planned.

I am nonplussed that you have not paid more attention. Really, I am.

alyce

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Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> Some of the Virgin Islands National Guard have been called to active duty!
>
They'll not be the last.

alyce

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 11:25:14 AM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> No--I would have realized then what is planned.

> I am nonplussed that you have not paid more attention. Really, I am.

I find thinking about Bush and his plans really horrifying, and I
can only take it in small doses. Plus, I am rather preoccupied
with my own survival.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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I'm not the first nor last to engage in this activity on this <service>, but
I absolutely *love* my new Black  & Decker juicer purchased on sale for $8.

The first thing I made was navel-orange juice for a screwdriver, of course.

I am having a blast experimenting with fruit/vegetable combinations, and
additives like fresh ginger.

All the better to make smoothies with, as well.

What the heck -- it's a cheap thrill, and healthier than many others.

AS

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In a message dated 2/5/2003 6:36:33 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< Thank Jim Bradley - he got to it before I could. Thanks, Jim!
 >>

It goes without saying; it's me who's the most grateful. Thanks a whole
bunch, Jim.
Theo

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02003-02-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I don't think anything is off at all about "another matter" or "another
> thing" -- or, of course, "a different matter."  I would be likely in
> casual conversation to say "a whole nother thing."  I'm not necessarily
> recommending it for Kristin, though.  It's one of those things native
> speakers can do that somebody might wonder about from a non-native
> speaker.

These "somebody"s are idiots. Idiots will instinctively ascribe
play with language to a mistake if at all reasonable ... Tons
of miscommunication results from idiots like these. Of course
one cannot play down the complicity of people who go to
ridiculous extremes with the tired old native/non-native
crap ... but overall I would point my finger at idiots who
speak LOUDLY and CLEARLY

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More scary:

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the remarks by North Korean deputy
foreign minister director Ri Pyong-gap -- who was quoted in Britain's
Guardian newspaper as saying "preemptive attacks are not the exclusive
right of the U.S." -- further isolate North Korea internationally.

The Korean conflict starting all over again scares me much more than Iraq.


alec






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plotkina@isc.upenn.edu

"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
- Albert Einstein

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Carrot juice is supposed to be good. I've never tried it.

Betty

At 10:23 AM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm not the first nor last to engage in this activity on this <service>, but
>I absolutely *love* my new Black  & Decker juicer purchased on sale for $8.
>
>The first thing I made was navel-orange juice for a screwdriver, of course.
>
>I am having a blast experimenting with fruit/vegetable combinations, and
>additives like fresh ginger.
>
>All the better to make smoothies with, as well.
>
>What the heck -- it's a cheap thrill, and healthier than many others.
>
>AS

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In a message dated 2/5/2003 2:23:14 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< >>I've never had them.  And here are my guesses for other women on this
>>list who've never worn them:
>>
>>D.M.
>>Evelyn
>>Harwell Toal
>>Betty
>>Theo
 >>

Yup, you guessed right. At least I've never owned a pair, and have no idea
what's so special about them. And I feel honored to be on the same list as
well! Theo

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This is from the practical joke website you found for me--I
thought Ethan might enjoy this:

"My son used to put a piece of uncooked elbow macaroni in his
mouth, then holding a cat or kitten....GENTLY turn it's head left
& right, while biting down on the macaroni. Makes a VERY
REALISTIC ! ! cracking neck sound."

He may be too old for that, though.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 12:49:35 PM, you wrote:
[about not owning Birks]
> At least I've never owned a pair, and have no idea
> what's so special about them.

They are comfortable.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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In a message dated 2/5/2003 7:43:07 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< No. The coverage on the "news" indicates that a lot of people were
persuaded that Saddam is indeed evil, when they'd been doubtful before.
That seems to be being translated as, "So we must go to war," at least
in the official White House line. But as the German UN ambassador said,
"Yes, he is evil, but we can contain him and war is not necessary."  >>

I didn't hear the speech because I hadn't found the remote control for the TV
yet. (it was still programmed for Colorado Springs, and consequently, it
could not get the stations here to play. My daughter here just found it last
night packed inside a waste paper basket. This has been without a doubt the
worst move I've ever made; and I've made plenty of them. But I'm slowly and
gradually getting organized again. It isn't Colorado, and I miss the blue
skies and mountain views, and it's *C* O* L* D* here too, but perhaps the
summers are nice, and I'll be able to go out without any help. Keeping
fingers crossed, Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
 It isn't Colorado, and I miss the blue
> skies and mountain views, and it's *C* O* L* D* here too, but perhaps the
> summers are nice, and I'll be able to go out without any help.

I hope you'll be able to get out alone and that you get used to the
different scenery. Is your apartment comfortable? Are you sharing with
your daughter, or living separately?

alyce

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That sounds fun enough for my cub scouts to use in a skit  ;-)

Thank KK !!!


----- Original Message -----
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> This is from the practical joke website you found for me--I
> thought Ethan might enjoy this:
>
> "My son used to put a piece of uncooked elbow macaroni in his
> mouth, then holding a cat or kitten....GENTLY turn it's head left
> & right, while biting down on the macaroni. Makes a VERY
> REALISTIC ! ! cracking neck sound."
>
> He may be too old for that, though.
>
> Karen
> A well-rounded little rabbit

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>
> Some of the Virgin Islands National Guard have been called to active duty!
>
>They'll not be the last.


>alyce


Bingo! You're absolutely correct!


>1:02 p.m. --
>The Army's 101st Airborne Division, based in Fort Campbell, Ky., received
orders today to deploy overseas.

>For details:
http://tennessean.com/local/archives/03/02/28575111.shtml

AS

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>Carrot juice is supposed to be good. I've never tried it.


>Betty

I think it's delicious. I also tried the juice of five carrots and one Gala
apple mixed, which was also delicious.

AS

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 1:39:32 PM, you wrote:
> That sounds fun enough for my cub scouts to use in a skit  ;-)

> Thank KK !!!

Thank Pete, he found the URL.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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At 02:20 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>night packed inside a waste paper basket. This has been without a doubt the
>worst move I've ever made; and I've made plenty of them. But I'm slowly and
>gradually getting organized again. It isn't Colorado, and I miss the blue
>skies and mountain views, and it's *C* O* L* D* here too, but perhaps the
>summers are nice, and I'll be able to go out without any help. Keeping
>fingers crossed, Theo

Why was it so bad? The cat survived okay?

Betty

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IN the latest catalog from The Good Cook:

Steven Raichlen
Beer Can Chicken and other Offbeat Recipes for the Grill.

First Dubya, now this.

cwv

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Apology accepted






>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
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>IN the latest catalog from The Good Cook:
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>Steven Raichlen
>Beer Can Chicken and other Offbeat Recipes for the Grill.
>
>First Dubya, now this.
>
>cwv


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At 02:30 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, aht wrote:
>Apology accepted

Clearly, you are thinking of someone else.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > No. I believe they are expecting to fight house-to-house in Baghdad, or
> > at least that is what they've been training kids to do. They have built
> > little model city blocks for them to practice in.
>
> I'm not liking this at all.

Our troops have supposedly been practicing urban fighting for months
now.  And that's one of the things people have been worrying about ever
since this war was first hinted at -- about how our military is stronger
in general but is inexperienced in this kind of fighting.

--
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>Thursday, February 6, 2003, 12:49:35 PM, you wrote:
>[about not owning Birks]
> > At least I've never owned a pair, and have no idea
> > what's so special about them.
>
>They are comfortable.
>Karen

Not only that, they have very good arch support and are sometimes the only
thing needed to correct mild plantar fasciitis.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > speakers can do that somebody might wonder about from a non-native
> > speaker.
>
> These "somebody"s are idiots. Idiots will instinctively ascribe
> play with language to a mistake if at all reasonable ... Tons

As it would be for somebody with my bad French saying beaucoup,
beaucoup.  That's one reason I said near the end that that really wasn't
exactly like nother -- and it's certainly not like Kristin and her
English.

> ridiculous extremes with the tired old native/non-native

It's always fun to get to the <World Englishes> part in Sociolinguistics
and talk about India.

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 2:54:27 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > No. I believe they are expecting to fight house-to-house in Baghdad, or
>> > at least that is what they've been training kids to do. They have built
>> > little model city blocks for them to practice in.
>>
>> I'm not liking this at all.

> Our troops have supposedly been practicing urban fighting for months
> now.  And that's one of the things people have been worrying about ever
> since this war was first hinted at -- about how our military is stronger
> in general but is inexperienced in this kind of fighting.

They are inexperienced in every kind of fighting.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Thursday, February 6, 2003, 12:49:35 PM, you wrote:
> [about not owning Birks]
> > At least I've never owned a pair, and have no idea
> > what's so special about them.
>
> They are comfortable.

Not all feet find the same shoes comfortable.  Some brands thought to be
comfortable by lots of people are uncomfortable to me.  Birkenstocks are
in almost all cases perfect for me.  Not all cases.  I remember finding
my Birkenstock Jesus sandals very uncomfortable and giving them away
after a few wearings.  Also my Floridas aren't nearly as comfortable as
Madrids.

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 3:03:05 PM, you wrote:

>>Thursday, February 6, 2003, 12:49:35 PM, you wrote:
>>[about not owning Birks]
>> > At least I've never owned a pair, and have no idea
>> > what's so special about them.
>>
>>They are comfortable.
>>Karen

> Not only that, they have very good arch support and are sometimes the only
> thing needed to correct mild plantar fasciitis.

Having good arch support is part of being comfortable. I wouldn't
know about using them for plantar fasciitis--I found any shoes
helped when I was having problems.

Karen
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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 3:08:24 PM, you wrote:
> Some brands thought to be comfortable by lots of people are
> uncomfortable to me.

Cite!

Karen
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Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:49:20 PM, you wrote:

> At 07:15 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 7:11:36 PM, you wrote:
>> >         The only bargains I found were on items that would not be on
>> > my list at all if I was on a tight budget -- iow, they're
>> > expensive even on sale.  The prices on most basic items were
>> > 2x - 3x higher than what I normally pay.
>>
>>Their bread-of-the-day isn't expensive. The olive bar is
>>expensive, but wooooooorth it.
>>
>>Karen

> They're expensive. And their sales are few and far between. As Rita pointed
> out, they're hardly on things you need. Then again, what do they have that
> one really needs?

> lisa
> olive hater

Their rosemary bread.

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Some brands thought to be comfortable by lots of people are
> > uncomfortable to me.
>
> Cite!

My experiences with Easy Spirit, Clark, and Rockport, to name a few that
come to mind.

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I got a call at 9:30 saying that Spencer was awake and fine.  So I guess
he has spent the rest of the day sitting in a cage wondering whether
he's been abandoned.  I can pick him up any time after 4:00.  I plan to
be there when the clock strikes 4.
--
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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 3:18:29 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Some brands thought to be comfortable by lots of people are
>> > uncomfortable to me.
>>
>> Cite!

> My experiences with Easy Spirit, Clark, and Rockport, to name a few that
> come to mind.

Fair enough. Clarks and Rockports are largely good for me, but
not Easy Spirit.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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>Having good arch support is part of being comfortable. I wouldn't
>know about using them for plantar fasciitis--I found any shoes
>helped when I was having problems.
>Karen

A local podiatrist recommends Birks or Birk inserts as the first thing to
try for plantar fasciitis.  I know an Innowner whose feet totally stopped
bothering her after years of heel spur pain when she started wearing Birk
inserts.


    --bonniev

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I am a relatively recent convert to Birks.  My oldest pair
is about 6 years old and looks pretty ratty due to being
chewed by a couple of foster dogs.  But I love wearing them
-- I forget to take them off they're so comfortable.  That's
saying a lot as up until recently my feet caused me a lot of
pain -- Birks and my running shoes have been the only things
I could wear without pain.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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 The economics of war

Calculating the consequences
Nov 28th 2002 | NEW YORK
>From The Economist print edition

Recent studies suggest that even a successful military campaign in
Iraq could carry a hefty price tag

“IT SEEMS likely that Americans are underestimating the economic
commitments involved in a war with Iraq,” says William Nordhaus, an
economics professor at Yale University. Given all the imponderables
surrounding such a war, it is surprising how many experts (like Mr
Nordhaus) are trying to work out how much it might cost. After all,
it is not clear whether Saddam Hussein's grip will crumble or if he
might use weapons of mass destruction. And it is anybody's guess
whether OPEC countries will replace any lost Iraqi production—or
might slash output in a general Arab boycott.

The findings of the most ambitious effort to date, undertaken by the
Centre for Strategic and International Studies, an American think-
tank, were unveiled this week in New York. Over the course of the
past few months, CSIS has tapped experts from various fields to try
and quantify the likely impacts of war. First, the group's military
and geopolitical gurus defined four likely military outcomes: no war;
a benign war that lasts four to six weeks; a thornier intermediate
option that lasts up to three months; and a “worse” case that drags
on for as long as six months. The group intentionally set aside still
worse possibilities, such as the use of nuclear weapons.

For each of these options, oil-market analysts convened by CSIS
speculated over the likely path of oil prices. Their predictions were
then fed into macroeconomic models that took into account the
positive inputs, such as higher government spending, as well as the
negative ones, such as higher inflation. They also factored in the
role of market psychology, recalling the experience of the 1970s when
oil shocks were accompanied by hoarding and panicky behaviour.

The group reached some striking conclusions. For a start, the no-war
scenario is not necessarily the best for the economy. That is because
lingering uncertainty about a possible war will continue to depress
markets and add a risk premium that boosts oil prices and acts as a
drag on growth. At the other extreme, if things turn ugly, the team
predicts that oil prices could spike up to $80 a barrel and, more
damaging in economic terms, stay at around $40 for many months
thereafter (see chart).

In the end, though, the group's assessment of the cumulative cost of
war to the end of 2004 is not overly alarming: about $55 billion in
the benign scenario, and around $120 billion in the worse-case
scenario. (The higher numbers in the table below are for a whole
decade.) The Congressional Budget Office and a committee of the House
of Representatives have also done some sums, and both came up with
estimates of $50 billion-60 billion for a shortish war. The Gulf war
cost about $80 billion in today's money, although much of that was
recouped by contributions from Saudi Arabia and other allies, which
are not likely to be repeated this time. Even so, America can afford
all the scenarios.

Some even suggest that the war could be an economic boon. Most wars
in America's history have—thanks to massive government spending on
defence—tended to stimulate the economy. A notable exception to that,
however, was the Gulf war, which was followed by recession. Even so,
say some extreme imperialists, if Saddam Hussein is ousted, then
America will be able to turn Iraq into its own private pumping-
station. Private or not, higher Iraqi output would mean that oil
prices would drop for a while and America's economy (along with other
oil-consumers') would benefit.

Larry Lindsey, a top economic adviser to President George Bush, made
precisely this argument recently: “When there is a regime change in
Iraq, you could add 3m-5m barrels of production to world
supply...successful prosecution of the war would be good for the
economy.” The snag in this rosy plan is the dilapidated state of
Iraq's petroleum infrastructure: oilmen say it would take 5-10 years
for Iraqi output to reach such unprecedented levels (even assuming a
post-Saddam Iraq would actually want to flood the world market with
oil). Mr Lindsey offered an even more cheerful forecast: he estimated
that even a prolonged war would not cost more than $100 billion-200
billion, or about 1-2% of America's GDP.

What's the worry, then?

Hang on a minute, says Mr Nordhaus, who argues in the latest New York
Review of Books that none of the recent analyses of war goes far
enough. In general terms, he agrees with their estimates for the
direct military costs for the various scenarios. But he insists they
underestimate the long-term costs to America from an Iraqi war.

He points to the high costs likely to be incurred after a military
victory is secured: eg, in peacekeeping, reconstruction and nation-
building. Mr Bush has openly committed America to rebuilding Iraq
after ousting Mr Hussein. By examining international experience in
post-war Kosovo, East Timor, Haiti and other recent cases, Mr
Nordhaus estimates that such non-military costs could reach $600
billion if a liberated Iraq turns out to be more like the West Bank
than Kosovo.

He also worries that an Arab boycott or some other political factor
could keep a
significant share of OPEC oil off the market for many months. And
that, of course, would
mean higher oil prices, higher inflation, lost economic output, and
so on. All told, Mr
Nordhaus thinks that even an Iraqi invasion that went well would
probably cost about $120
billion in today's money over the next decade—and one that went
horribly wrong could end
up costing a whopping $1.6 trillion.

The estimators differ in the purpose, methodology and sophistication
of their analysis. But, taken together, recent prognoses point to one
conclusion: even a short war will prove fairly costly, while a messy
one could deal the economy a severe blow. Mr Bush has often stressed
the possible price—in terms of national security—of not going to war
against Saddam Hussein. These studies suggest that he should start
preparing Americans for the economic costs of going to war as well.

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        I am right now sipping my very first carrot juice.  It is not
bad at all.  I'll bet it tastes better from something other
than a can (everything does to me).  I shall search Whole
Foods for different brands.  At any rate, it has 90% of the
RDA for iron, which surprised me.  I will commence drinking
the stuff more regularly.


Betty Clark wrote:

> Carrot juice is supposed to be good. I've never tried it.
>
> Betty
>
> At 10:23 AM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> I'm not the first nor last to engage in this activity on this
>> <service>, but
>> I absolutely *love* my new Black  & Decker juicer purchased on sale
>> for $8.
>>
>> The first thing I made was navel-orange juice for a screwdriver, of
>> course.
>>
>> I am having a blast experimenting with fruit/vegetable combinations, and
>> additives like fresh ginger.
>>
>> All the better to make smoothies with, as well.
>>
>> What the heck -- it's a cheap thrill, and healthier than many others.
>>
>> AS
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-02-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 02:30 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, aht wrote:
> >Apology accepted
>
> Clearly, you are thinking of someone else.

See how good it feels to apologize?

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Jim Bradley wrote:

>>Mama P was my first ftf. Or was it Jim Bradley. I can't remember if I drove
>>up to Judith's house with him or not. I don't think I did. From Judith's we
>>drove to Cambridge to meet Rita, Bayla, Nancy (who's last name is escaping
>>me) and hmm.. who else? We were going to the Cambridge Brewing company for
>>the Pre-Clam Slam.
>>
>>
>
> We drove up to Judith's. I don't remember Bayla in Boston, but do
> remember Rita, //Anne//, Joan Boorstein, Two guys from Tufts,
> another one from Brown. Memory fade is terrible. Whatever happened
> to that picture?


        I don't recall ever meeting Bayla, so I don't think she was
there.  I think the first wordsler I ever met was probably
//Anne// since we worked two blocks from each other at the
time, but I can't say for sure.  I think you're thinking of
Bill and Rod.  I remember them being there.  But I'm the
last person in the world you want to rely on for remembering
stuff.  I'll bet the photo is in the archives somewhere.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Americans and Iraq

We, the ambivalent people
Jan 23rd 2003 | WASHINGTON, DC
>From The Economist print edition


Public opinion will have little impact on the administration's
policy, either for or against war

IN FREEZING weather last weekend, 50,000 anti-war demonstrators
dusted the lawn in front of the Capitol like light snow. Priests
opposed military action on religious grounds. White-haired populists
from Iowa and Minnesota spoke against global adventurism. War
veterans opposed using force except to defend America from invasion.
It seemed mainstream.

Up on the platform, though, all-purpose radicalism prevailed. “Free
Mumia”, yelled one speaker (referring to an imprisoned cop-killer).
Another denounced the Colombian government. An imam called for regime
change in the White House.

There is a good deal of unease about a second Gulf war. There is also
a lot of support. What matters, it seems, is coherent leadership,
which is lacking among opponents. The upshot is that, over Iraq,
public opinion puts few constraints on the president's freedom of
action.

Americans support war in Iraq by large majorities—around 60% in all
current polls. That figure has been stable for six months. The one
exception—a finding by the Pew Research Centre—suggests that support
rose between October and January (see chart 1). It has not yet been
affected by the dip in the president's own popularity or by
increasing scepticism about his handling of terrorism and the
economy.

For opponents of war in Europe, the headline number suggests there
are domestic political reasons for Mr Bush to go to war. But if his
administration were ever to think this (and they don't), they would
be profoundly mistaken. The truth is that American public opinion is
more complex than the headline support would suggest.

In January, 68% told the Pew pollsters that they would support
military action in general. Without allied backing, this figure falls
to 26%, even lower than last September. The largest single
group—37%—would support war “only if allies agree”.

Fewer than one in three say they would support military action if no
weapons are found (see chart 2). Even if inspectors find a weapons-
making programme but no “smoking gun”—perhaps the administration's
most plausible best case—Americans are still divided: 46% in favour,
47% against. Only if inspectors find weapons of mass destruction
would Americans back force, in this case overwhelmingly. Underlining
the caution, a new Washington Post poll found 43% saying inspectors
should have as much time as they want and a further 24% saying they
should get a few more months.

On the face of it, this looks worrying for the administration. Pro-
war sentiment is soft. If Americans want “allied help” (whatever that
means), then divisions in the United Nations Security Council might
drive public support down. And if Americans want to give inspectors
more time, isn't Mr Bush defying his public (as well as the French)
in saying there is no cause for further delay? Not really. The
strange combination of unwavering general support and considerable
nervousness about details almost certainly means the public will give
the president a lot of latitude.

This is what has happened historically. Peter Feaver of Duke
University, co-author of a forthcoming book on public opinion and
war, says that since the Korean war 10% of Americans have opposed all
military action (that was the share against war in Afghanistan). The
administration cannot win them over. One-third support all wars (that
was the share that backed the Vietnam war to the end). They will
support Mr Bush, more or less regardless. The question is what
happens to the others.

Around a quarter are “casualty-phobic”. The Pew poll suggests the
prospect of mass casualties drives support down sharply. But in
response to a question that stresses only the costs of war, not
benefits, 43% still back action. The Vietnam war suggests that lack
of support is decisive only when it dips below 40%.

So the most important segment is the one Mr Feaver calls “defeat-
phobic”. So long as the administration can claim that war is
justified and that America is winning, it should carry this part of
the public, which, combined with the “war party”, makes a majority.
Indeed, bizarre as it may sound, some of the “defeat-phobes” may now
be among the war's opponents. Before the last Gulf war, one poll
asked those who disapproved of the then Bush administration's policy
why they did so. Amazingly, a plurality said it was because America
was moving too slowly.

Those who express reservations about war think Mr Bush has not yet
made a case for it. Over half say so, up from 37% in September. But
this is reversible (the numbers were much better after Mr Bush's UN
speech). Next week's state-of-the-union message will begin another
round of explanations, which should gain in persuasiveness as the
decision to attack is made.

In the Pew poll, the rise in the number of those who support war if
allies agree roughly reflects the drop in the number of opponents. A
likely explanation, at a time of massive troop deployments, is that
people think war is inevitable and that they want others to bear some
of the risk. That does not mean they would oppose war without allies,
or with Britain alone, if it were the only option.

Lastly, public opposition is unlikely to be a constraint unless the
war's opponents can
find national leadership. At the moment, support is partisan: 80% of
Republicans back the
use of force, compared with 46% of Democrats. But all except one of
the Democrats' leading
presidential candidates supported the congressional resolution
authorising force. What was
seen in microcosm at the anti-war demonstration is true nationally.
Mr Bush has opposition
to war where he wants it.

This gives him a lot of options. If he goes to war, people will
support him (indeed, the
first effect will be a huge rally round the flag). If he gives
inspectors more time,
people will back that too. From the point of view of voters, a second
UN resolution looks desirable, not essential. The only doubt is what
happens in the unlikely event that Mr Bush decides not to go to war.
In that case, his conservative base will doubtless accuse him of
flinching, like his dad. But for the public, even that course may be
tolerable, if the president can convince them that his threats have
disarmed Saddam. In short, in terms of the administration's freedom
of action, reluctant acceptance of war without appetite looks better
than bloodthirsty enthusiasm.

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Thursday, February 6, 2003, 3:56:36 PM, you wrote:

> Jim Bradley wrote:

>>>Mama P was my first ftf. Or was it Jim Bradley. I can't remember if I drove
>>>up to Judith's house with him or not. I don't think I did. From Judith's we
>>>drove to Cambridge to meet Rita, Bayla, Nancy (who's last name is escaping
>>>me) and hmm.. who else? We were going to the Cambridge Brewing company for
>>>the Pre-Clam Slam.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We drove up to Judith's. I don't remember Bayla in Boston, but do
>> remember Rita, //Anne//, Joan Boorstein, Two guys from Tufts,
>> another one from Brown. Memory fade is terrible. Whatever happened
>> to that picture?


>         I don't recall ever meeting Bayla, so I don't think she was
> there.  I think the first wordsler I ever met was probably
> //Anne// since we worked two blocks from each other at the
> time, but I can't say for sure.  I think you're thinking of
> Bill and Rod.  I remember them being there.  But I'm the
> last person in the world you want to rely on for remembering
> stuff.  I'll bet the photo is in the archives somewhere.

I met Bayla in Oregon; she wasn't at the Clambake. She sent a
postcard, I believe.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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At 03:55 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
>02003-02-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > At 02:30 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, aht wrote:
> > >Apology accepted
> >
> > Clearly, you are thinking of someone else.
>
>See how good it feels to apologize?

...and how would <you> know?

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Fresh stuff is supposed to be the best, of course.   You bought it in a
can?  Why?

Betty

At 03:54 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>        I am right now sipping my very first carrot juice.  It is not
>bad at all.  I'll bet it tastes better from something other
>than a can (everything does to me).  I shall search Whole
>Foods for different brands.  At any rate, it has 90% of the
>RDA for iron, which surprised me.  I will commence drinking
>the stuff more regularly.
>
>
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
>>Carrot juice is supposed to be good. I've never tried it.
>>
>>Betty
>>
>>At 10:23 AM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not the first nor last to engage in this activity on this
>>><service>, but
>>>I absolutely *love* my new Black  & Decker juicer purchased on sale
>>>for $8.
>>>
>>>The first thing I made was navel-orange juice for a screwdriver, of
>>>course.
>>>
>>>I am having a blast experimenting with fruit/vegetable combinations, and
>>>additives like fresh ginger.
>>>
>>>All the better to make smoothies with, as well.
>>>
>>>What the heck -- it's a cheap thrill, and healthier than many others.
>>>
>>>AS
>>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I don't recall ever meeting Bayla, so I don't think she was
> there.  I think the first wordsler I ever met was probably
> //Anne// since we worked two blocks from each other at the
> time, but I can't say for sure.  I think you're thinking of
> Bill and Rod.  I remember them being there.  But I'm the
> last person in the world you want to rely on for remembering
> stuff.  I'll bet the photo is in the archives somewhere.

If you're talking about the gathering in Cambridge in early '92, Bayla
wasn't there, Rod definitely was, and I think Bill M was.  That picture
was the first one in the ftf section of the gallery when the Words-L
page was here.  Some of the pictures vanished somehow in the move.  I
hate that they did.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I met Bayla in Oregon; she wasn't at the Clambake. She sent a
> postcard, I believe.

No, she wasn't at Clambake.  The first time I met her was in NYC when a
bunch of us went to a restaurant and laughed when the waiter said
something about parsley, rosemary, and sage, leaving out thyme.  I think
that was the same night I met Tom and Marie for the first time -- not as
a unit, though we did all head back up the subway line together, with
Tom and Marie as the two NYers.  Marie joined us for dessert at that
restaurant.

--
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02003-02-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 03:55 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
> >02003-02-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >> At 02:30 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, aht wrote:
> >> >Apology accepted
> >>
> >> Clearly, you are thinking of someone else.
> >
> >See how good it feels to apologize?
>
> ...and how would <you> know?

Thanks for backing down!

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In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:34:38 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Are you sharing with
your daughter, or living separately? >>

I bought this house just a few away from my daughter, because it was she who
found out it was for sale. After she had looked at it, she called me and said
that it was just perfect for me, so that's why I moved here. It was custom
built by the owners, and only 10 years old, but they build another one,
therefor they sold this one. I suppose that the guy must have been in the
housebuilding business. But I want new paint inside, because it's white from
end to end, and very boring! Otherwise it's nice and bright. Big windows,
nice patio in the back, fancy chandeliers with ceiling fans, fireplace, wall
to wall carpeting, you name it. The price was right too. They must have been
in a hurry, because they accepted the first counteroffer I made.
But I've sworn that this is absolutely the last time I'm moving! I'm getting
too old for this sh*t. I'm still not finished putting everything away, even
with the help of my daughter. She kept saying:"You sure got a lot of stuff",
but what can you expect from an 68 year old woman, who saves everything? I
still have things from MY parents, and I treasure it. Today's society is a
throwaway bunch, but it wasn't done in my days.
So now you're all up to date about my affairs. I sure missed reading about
what was going on with you all. Just heard that you were in the hospital
again, Allie. You stay away from that place, you hear? I'm going to have to
find a new doctor here too. My left eye is all cloudy, and I can hardly see
out of it. Hopefully it's nothing serious. I'm tired of doctors too. Well,
'nuff for now. I'm happy to be back on the list, that's for sure. Hopefully
you know who isn't getting us into trouble; I've had it with war too.
Theo

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In a message dated 2/6/2003 1:23:15 PM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Why was it so bad? The cat survived okay?

Betty
 >>

Because they didn't pack together the items that were supposed to be
together. You don't expect the TV remote to be in the kitchen wastepaper
basket. Items from one part of the house should go together. Kitchen with
kitchen, living room with living room, etc. The kitty got here O.K., but it
took a while before she got used to her new surroundings. She kept running
from room to room for a while!
Theo

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> Maybe.  I'm not holding my breath; American people like their shock-n-awe
> wars, and Bush even thinks this one is free so far, or so he tells
> us.  From istori/log:

So Pete, when are you going to run for office? Not the Presidency, just any
office. You seem to have the desire and the aptitude - have you thought
about it?

--Adam
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At 04:55 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
>02003-02-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > At 03:55 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
> > >02003-02-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > >> At 02:30 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, aht wrote:
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> > >>
> > >> Clearly, you are thinking of someone else.
> > >
> > >See how good it feels to apologize?
> >
> > ...and how would <you> know?
>
>Thanks for backing down!

Good luck in your alternate reality.

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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>That picture
> was the first one in the ftf section of the gallery when the Words-L
> page was here.  Some of the pictures vanished somehow in the move.  I
> hate that they did.

I have CLAMSLAM.GIF if anyone's interested. It's 123 KB and I saved it on
5/15/92.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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    And the "No Blood For Oil" crowd should consider that the Iraqis
willl blow the oilfields first thing.

JMW

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

>  I'm still not finished putting everything away, even
> with the help of my daughter.

I know people who moved several years ago and still haven't put
everything away.  But I'm like you.  I want it done right away.  Your
house sounds great in spite of boring walls.

>  Hopefully
> you know who isn't getting us into trouble; I've had it with war too.

Mega-trouble.  I can't remember ever having felt this depressed in my
life about <current events>.  Not every bit of it is <his> fault, of
course.  But much of it is.  And would you believe I just got e-mail
from my RRSIL (only because we were discussing necessary stuff re Mama,
not because we're regular correspondents) mentioning that she'd been
very busy lately and spieling off stuff she'd been doing -- including
having had a party at their house recently that brought in $200,000 for
the state Republicans.  I need to get away from the keyboard before I
wreck it with barf bits.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> So Pete, when are you going to run for office? Not the Presidency, just any
> office. You seem to have the desire and the aptitude - have you thought
> about it?

Interesting.  I don't see Pete as a likely political candidate at all.
Re desire and aptitude:  I don't see desire to run for office.  I see a
caring citizen, of whom we need far more.  If we had more Petes among
the voters in this country, things would be quite different.  (And I'm
not talking here about Pete's specific views, although I do think I
share most of them.  I'm talking about the fact that he cares, he keeps
himself informed, and he speaks out.)  Aptitude?  I'm not really sure
what the right aptitude is for running for political office, and I'm not
at all convinced that Pete has it.  He may be too honest and outspoken
for it.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I have CLAMSLAM.GIF if anyone's interested. It's 123 KB and I saved it on
> 5/15/92.

How about sending it to mem?  Meanwhile, I'd like a copy also.

--
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John Williams wrote:
>
>     And the "No Blood For Oil" crowd should consider that the Iraqis
> willl blow the oilfields first thing.

Isn't that why part of the US plan is said to be to "secure the
oilfields" first?  Not that that goal will be reached, of course.  But
I've certainly read it many places as a plan/goal.

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On 6 Feb 2003 at 19:44, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> How about sending it to mem?  Meanwhile, I'd like a copy also.

I have it, I'm pretty sure. Since there is so much interest, I'll
try to put it somewhere accessible tonight.


     mem

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Marie wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm going to see them tonight. With Eddie From Ohio.

How was the show? Do tell!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 20:09:08 -0600
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Betty Clark wrote:

> Fresh stuff is supposed to be the best, of course.   You bought it in a
> can?  Why?


        I happened to see it at the grocery store, that's all.



>
> At 03:54 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>        I am right now sipping my very first carrot juice.  It is not
>> bad at all.  I'll bet it tastes better from something other
>> than a can (everything does to me).  I shall search Whole
>> Foods for different brands.  At any rate, it has 90% of the
>> RDA for iron, which surprised me.  I will commence drinking
>> the stuff more regularly.
>>
>>
>> Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Carrot juice is supposed to be good. I've never tried it.
>>>
>>> Betty
>>>
>>> At 10:23 AM 2/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not the first nor last to engage in this activity on this
>>>> <service>, but
>>>> I absolutely *love* my new Black  & Decker juicer purchased on sale
>>>> for $8.
>>>>
>>>> The first thing I made was navel-orange juice for a screwdriver, of
>>>> course.
>>>>
>>>> I am having a blast experimenting with fruit/vegetable combinations,
>>>> and
>>>> additives like fresh ginger.
>>>>
>>>> All the better to make smoothies with, as well.
>>>>
>>>> What the heck -- it's a cheap thrill, and healthier than many others.
>>>>
>>>> AS
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Here's the list of pictures that were in the list gallery when it moved
from here:

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87805*     anne-verdant.jpg          Anne and Verdant
34497*     annip.jpg                 Marty and friends
167547*    apocalypso.gif            Steph & Graham in England
9687*      aunti.jpg                 Aunti at Torondezvous
81166*     baldverd.gif              Verdant sans hair
48676*     balls.gif                 Norman's balls at Wordstock
178191*    borody.jpg                Don Borody and Love, Judith
61565*     bernard3.gif              Bernard Chien Perro
51066*     betty.jpg                 Betty in Oslo
231250*    bc.jpg                    Bonnie and Clyde
19304*     bdbrains.jpg              Richard
41164*     bentower.jpg              Ben
11696*     bird.jpg                  NOLA bird
78236*     bookrat.gif               Boo Krat at Wordstock
30254*     brabonip.jpg              Brad, Bonnie, Marty
57177*     brad.gif                  Brad
37216*     btterfly.jpg              NOLA butterfly
127278*    caboose.jpg               in the caboose at Hollerfest
56158*     cafe.gif                  Wordslers at Starkville Cafe
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120986*    candles.jpg               candlelight at Torondezvous
43846*     carol.gif                 Carol Carmick
120985*    carousel.jpg              Giggles and Norman on horses
12654*     casa-dowd.jpg             at the Dowds' casa
87876*     casket.jpg                Giggles-Thanatopsis: Maynor Caskets
399299*    cast.gif                  Alyce's Christmas
5151*      chester.jpg               Chester Dowd
14379*     chester-natalie.jpg       Chester and Natalie
303071*    chicago.gif               Bill, Tushar, Steve at O'Hare
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171217*    clamcar.jpg               abh, Karen, Graham, Judith
125410*    clamslam.gif              Cambridge pre-clam picture
25015*     coffee.jpg                Elwood and Natalie at Wordstock
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137607*    cshw846a.zip              gif-viewer for PC
52697*     damion.jpg                Damion Levy
244434*    dangail.gif               Dan and Gail
62293*     dan-karsten.gif           Dan and Karsten
64937*     dench-fabio-elwood.gif    at Wordstock
11428*     donb.jpg                  Don Borody
134803*    doris.jpg                 Doris
51296*     down-not-out.gif          Wordstock
8739*      earl2.gif                 Earl-the-Reptile
71769*     elaine.gif                Elaine
64051*     elwood.gif                Elwood P. Dowd
64415*     elwood-fabio.gif          at Wordstock
47374*     emilies-tony.gif          Emily Hor, Emily Har, Tony
91008*     espen.gif                 Espen skiing
160783*    espen2.gif                Espen reading
12740*     espen-maryann-natalie.jpg at Wordstock West
13477*     espen-natalie.jpg         at Wordstock West
16979*     fabio.jpg                 Hiroshi and Fabio
73500*     fallingwater-1.gif        Fallingwater (obviously)
77432*     fallingwater-2.gif        Fallingwater
21789*     family.jpg                Evan, Allison, and Aidan Schrier
123688*    fashion-plate.gif         Tushar at Wordstock
53875*     frank.gif                 Frank Mc
67392*     frieda.gif                Frieda Abbey
54660*     front-yard.gif            milling goatroasters
133617*    fwp.gif                   Frank Peters
111753*    fwp2.gif                  Frank Peters (somber-looking)
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65174*     g-karsten.gif             at Wordstock
287099*    ggs-nat.gif               Giggles and Natalie
66971*     gig-em-rash.gif           Giggles, Emily, Rashmi
58683*     gig-guitar.gif            at Goatroast
60098*     giggleswick.gif           goatroasters in downtown Starkville
141140*    gigkitch.jpg              Giggles in Lodge kitchen
22248*     goatroast.gif             GoatRoast94
12812*     good-earth-1.jpg          Wordstock West
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139479*    graheath.jpg              Graham and Heather at Torondezvous
89941*     group.gif                 goatroasters
73987*     group-at-house.gif        Wordstock
800302*    gubert-cat.gif            JAG's Egyptian Maus
111263*    hall.jpg                  Torondezvous dorm life
79005*     harwell.gif               Anne Harwell and airplane
60664*     harwell.jpg               Giggles-Thanatopsis: Harwell
32366*     heather-tat.gif           Heather at Wordstock
125513*    holler.jpg                Bill Holler et al.
84111*     homies.gif                Wordstock
19760*     icecream1.jpg             Elwood, Mary Ann, Natalie
57925*     icecream2.jpg             Bookrat, Natalie, Mary Ann
82075*     i-never.gif               Wordstock
153002*    jen-gra.gif               Jenna and Graham
65461*     jimfar.jpg                Jim Farrell
61028*     jinny-tat.gif             at Wordstock
85806*     jmw-tat.gif               at Wordstock
274978*    john.gif                  John (What's the M For) Williams
38389*     jt.jpg                    Jerry & Tushar ftf
170677*    judith.gif                Mama Primate
507921     jpegview                  gif-viewer for Mac
9567*      karen-at-heart.jpg        Karen at Wordstock West
14946*     karen-elwood.jpg          Wordstock West
79806*     karlson.gif               Steve at Wordstock
263177*    ken.gif                   Ken Wolman
67628*     kessler.gif               Rod and family
84524*     keysmall.gif              small version of mortice.gif
13361*     lclark.jpg                Larry Clark
14590*     lenny.gif                 Leonard Abbey
118843*    lennycat.jpg              Lenny on BBQ day
320370*    lex-brig.gif              Lexington Brigade
93038*     lex-brig.jpg              Lexington Brigade
39723*     license-plate.gif         Norman's license plate
65051*     lisa.gif                  Lisa at Wordstock
184148*    lobstros.gif              the Lobstrosity
10659*     marcia2.gif               Marcia
10305*     marciaearl2.gif           Marcia and Earl in NOLA
14755*     mattbeam.jpg              Matthew Beams
74407*     max-alex.gif              Max and Alex
46759*     mm.jpg                    Marie and Myles
552488*    mortice.gif               Fizzy's mortice key (by abh)
63334*     mystery-roaster.gif       the mysterious AOBD
47103*     nancy-johnh.gif           Nancy, John H, and Natalie's tv
58769*     nancy-lauren.gif          Nancy H. and Lauren Darling
163726*    natalie.gif               Natalie
17769*     natalie-croc-chester.jpg  Natalie and Dowd dogs
15710*     natalie-maryann.jpg       at Wordstock West
66154*     natalie-tree.gif          at the San Diego WAP
8871*      natalisa.jpg              in NOLA
60398*     natbern.gif               Natalie and Bernard
74963*     nat-em-jinny.gif          at Wordstock
226709*    neal.jpg                  Neal computing at clambake
117896*    neal-at-grill.gif         at Wordstock
239113*    nealbalc.jpg              Neal at Torondezvous
36439*     ne.jpg                    Espen and Natalie
49146*     needname.jpg              t-shirt '96
297704*    nicorita.gif              Rita and Nico
28432*     nola.jpg                  New Orleans gathering
142706*    norman.jpg                Norman asleep at The Lodge
126020*    normkitch.jpg             Norman in Lodge kitchen
13777*     nun.jpg                   Bonnie as she was
80333*     ny.gif                    Marie, Myles, Emily, Tom, Steve
13776*     off-bus.jpg               Wordstock West
78594*     pa-brunch-1.jpg           brunching in California
84125*     pa-brunch-2.jpg           the group minus bookrat
8308*      pasha.jpg                 Br Paul at Torondezvous
13855*     paul.jpg                  the Kuritz family
67085*     people-on-steps.gif       various roasters at Roast site
17024*     peter.gif                 Peter Montgomery
128768*    peter2.gif                Peter M. and Depraved May
53047*     phoenix-sign.gif          Phoenix sign?
201382*    phyllis.gif               Phyllis Petree
50270*     phyllis-tat.gif           Phyllis at Wordstock
95560*     pig1.gif                  bandwidth pig award
95527*     pig2.gif                  another picture of bwp award
136265*    pigs.jpg                  Neal and Natalie on pigs
124055*    porch.jpg                 the WL Lodge porch
91288*     porch-culture.gif         at Wordstock
75685*     portland.gif              Salmonbake group
156760*    primate-love.gif          Judith and Paul
84468*     purple.gif                at Wordstock
350440*    queenie.gif               Queenie Harwell
173213*    rabbit-the-cat.gif        Rabbit Harwell
38575*     raccoon.jpg               NOLA raccoon
60161*     rash-norm.gif             Rashmi and Norman
22035*     rassmussens.jpg           Wordstock West
79687*     roman.gif                 Mike Roman
33790*     salesman.jpg              Nancy, Brenda, et al
53594*     sandiego.gif              breakfast in San Diego
14245*     san-simeon.jpg            Wordstock West
32253*     scammed.jpg               Nancy, Kathryn, Brenda
164280*    seattle.jpg               at the flagless RI flagpole
426736*    shark.gif                 Karen and Karsten
154298*    shark_small.gif           Karen and Karsten
45185*     sharon.gif                Sharon Z.
87355*     shirt.gif                 possible design for new t-shirt
8579*      shoshana.jpg              Shoshana
6323*      silence.gif               proposed clambake t-shirt
52370*     silver-shadow.jpg         Betty at the wheel
61964*     smith.jpg                 Giggles-Thanatopsis: Smith
68096*     snow.gif                  Starkville, Mississippi, 1992
16854*     solvang.jpg               Wordstock West
17471*     steph.jpg                 Steph
91025*     steph2.jpg                newer Steph
150935*    steph-gt.gif              Steph and Graham in England
103406*    steph.pat.gif             Steph and Pat
38972*     steve-emily.gif           Steve, Emily, and Honda sign
60788*     steve-johnh.gif           Steve and John H.
20070*     stevephyllis.jpg          Steve and Phyllis
170124*    stratford.jpg             Wordslers at Stratford, Ontario
156840*    swing.jpg                 Giggles in the park
21170*     sylviakeith.jpg           Sylvia and Keith
888143*    tanaka-family.gif         Akio Tanaka and family
243758*    terry.gif                 Terry Wild
128530*    thaifood.jpg              eating Thai food at Torondezvous
106706*    tony.gif                  Tony Harminc
62526*     tony2.gif                 a better gif of Tony
257299*    torkel.gif                Torkel Franzen
14604*     torkel.marcia1.gif        Torkel and Marcia
69898*     torkel.marcia2.gif        Torkel and Marcia
91091*     torkel.marcia3.gif        Torkel and Marcia
72144*     torkel.marcia4.gif        Torkel and Marcia
160815*    train.jpg                 Wordslers at the park in Raleigh
500377*    trio.gif                  Alyce and sons
23506*     tvousdiners.jpg           at Torondezvous
12633*     tvousvolleyball.jpg       at Torondezvous
18220*     tuskar.jpg                Tushar and Karsten
22188*     verdant.gif               Verdant
22776*     verdant.jpg               Verdant sans hair
31123*     vic_keys.jpg              Victoria Levy
47233*     vinery.jpg                Mary Ann, Natalie, Elwood, Bookrat
65202*     virgils1.gif              Wordslers in NY
77545*     virgils2.gif              Wordslers in NY
73839*     virgils3.gif              Wordslers in NY
57209*     virgils4.gif              Wordslers in NY
24854*     waitress.jpg              the Jerry-Tushar ftf
243305*    who.is.this.gif           mystery person
194378*    wild.gif                  the Wild family
91025*     wordstockchef.jpg         the Wordstock chef
29344*     wrdstck.jpg               Wordstockers
278143*    wsgroup.jpg               Wordstock group shot
155805*    wombat.gif                Carolyn and child
114655*    xmas.jpg                  on the Lodge porch
69290*     young-love.gif            young love at Wordstock

from: ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/index

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I'm not going to tell Spencer that not a single Wordsler inquired about
his safe homecoming this afternoon.  He's snoozing on the couch now, as
he has been doing pretty much ever since he got home.  The first thing
he did upon getting home was rush into the backyard and doo-doo and
t-t.  He had obviously been holding it for hours.  And then he came into
the kitchen and looked hungry.  The vet's assistant said when I picked
him up not to give him much food or water tonight, but I remembered that
routine from Bernard's teeth-cleanings -- and that it really wasn't a
big deal.  I gave him the same amount of food I usually do, and he ate
it happily without ill effect, and his water bowl was full.  I'm looking
forward to tomorrow when the anesthesia has totally worn off and he's
back to normal.  But he seems quite content tonight to be home and to be
snoozing on the couch, having emptied bladder and bowels and then eaten
supper.

When the vet's assistant brought him out, she said, "Spencer is such a
nice dog."  I think so too.  He really is a sweet, gentle, <nice> dog.
The Furrbabies people also like him.
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Well, I'm glad Spencer is back safe and sound, but I wasn't worried
about him.

That does sound like a nice evening he's having:  taking care of
business, eating, and sleeping.

Evelyn Duncan
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> That does sound like a nice evening he's having:  taking care of
> business, eating, and sleeping.

I've often wondered about expressions like "working like a dog" or
"leading a dog's life."  The dogs I've known have had pretty cushy
lives.

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Adam Hartfield writes,

>So Pete, when are you going to run for office? Not the Presidency, just any
>office. You seem to have the desire and the aptitude - have you thought
>about it?

Once in a while, since another smart friend suggested it on another list a
year or two ago.

I wouldn't rule it out anymore, I guess, but I think I'm on a good track
right now, working on tools that should help people organize and represent
themselves better.

Pete

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Karen Kay writes,

>He may be too old for that, though.

Nope. :)  And Gwynnie's a great age for it, too.

Although I think we'll try something besides necks -- that's a little too
graphic.

Pete

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On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:35:40PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
= Adam Hartfield writes,
=
= >So Pete, when are you going to run for office? Not the Presidency, just any
= >office. You seem to have the desire and the aptitude - have you thought
= >about it?
=
= Once in a while, since another smart friend suggested it on another list a
= year or two ago.
=
= I wouldn't rule it out anymore, I guess, but I think I'm on a good track
= right now, working on tools that should help people organize and represent
= themselves better.
=
= Pete

Oh yeah, weren't you looking for testers?  My Favorite Sysadmin
has finally figured out what's wrong with our computers (among
other things, we had two more faulty Maxtor disks), and I now
have a working system to Do Stuff on.

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steph writes,

>I now have a working system to Do Stuff on.

Thanks!

First thing out is a wiki engine, a pretty basic one actually, with just a
few twists.  It's a prototype we're using to play with to understand
customer needs better, and we're also using it internally to manage our
company.  We plan to open source this engine in the next week or so, if
that sounds like a fun thing to play with.

I'm working right now on fitting a working public instance into our public
site, due to be soft-launched this weekend -- stay tuned. :)

Don't get too excited, though -- the site is pretty low-key to
start.  Speak softly and carry a broad vision.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>>That does sound like a nice evening he's having:  taking care of
>>business, eating, and sleeping.
>>
>
> I've often wondered about expressions like "working like a dog" or
> "leading a dog's life."  The dogs I've known have had pretty cushy
> lives.


        Vinnie works hard sometimes.  The only time he really wasn't
crazy about his work is when I was teaching him to pull a
dogcart.  He did a good job at it, though.



--
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We got seven inches of snow. This winter has been fun.


alec

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 7:30:37 AM, you wrote:
> We got seven inches of snow. This winter has been fun.

It's supposed to snow here today, too.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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At 08:46 AM 2/7/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Friday, February 7, 2003, 7:30:37 AM, you wrote:
> > We got seven inches of snow. This winter has been fun.
>
>It's supposed to snow here today, too.
>
>Karen
>Not this week's thistle...

It's snowing here. We already have more than the 2-4 inches they predicted.
I prefer this to the frigid temps!

lisa

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At 03:56 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Jim Bradley wrote:
>
>>>Mama P was my first ftf. Or was it Jim Bradley. I can't remember if I drove
>>>up to Judith's house with him or not. I don't think I did. From Judith's we
>>>drove to Cambridge to meet Rita, Bayla, Nancy (who's last name is escaping
>>>me) and hmm.. who else? We were going to the Cambridge Brewing company for
>>>the Pre-Clam Slam.
>>>
>>
>>We drove up to Judith's. I don't remember Bayla in Boston, but do
>>remember Rita, //Anne//, Joan Boorstein, Two guys from Tufts,
>>another one from Brown. Memory fade is terrible. Whatever happened
>>to that picture?
>
>
>        I don't recall ever meeting Bayla, so I don't think she was
>there.  I think the first wordsler I ever met was probably
>//Anne// since we worked two blocks from each other at the
>time, but I can't say for sure.  I think you're thinking of
>Bill and Rod.  I remember them being there.  But I'm the
>last person in the world you want to rely on for remembering
>stuff.  I'll bet the photo is in the archives somewhere.

I have two pictures at home. Rita, Judith, Jim and I are in one. The other
was a group shot at the table. //Anne// is who I was thinking of when I
wrote "Nancy". I thought for sure Bayla was there be could be off. I'll
have to come up with a way to get the picture online as I do not have a
scanner.

lisa

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From: "Marie Ascher" <lounge_ascher@hotmail.com>
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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
>Marie wrote:
> > Meanwhile, I'm going to see them tonight. With Eddie From Ohio.
>
>How was the show? Do tell!

Fantastic, actually. We don't get that much live music up here in the
Peekskill area. But there is one cool old theater -- the Paramount Center
for the Arts <http://www.paramountcenter.org/> -- which has some promise.
Last Spring we saw Doctor John there. This year, Katryna and Nerissa, and
Eddie from Ohio. But that's a little few and far between, so we're thinking
it's time to exert some influence. We've started by becoming "Gold Members"
during the show last week.

Katryna and Nerissa, as you know, have the voices of angels. They did lots
of their Love and China stuff, and a few older Nields songs -- one request
which stood out was Nicholas Ridiculous (or whatever), which is clearly of
their folk geek style. But the highlight of the show was when they stepped
away from the mikes and projected into the space for a beautiful Easy
People.

Eddie from Ohio, I've heard of them, I knew one song  -- and they were a big
surprise for me. I thought they were great. I don't remember many of the
songs they sang. They opened with a song that might have been called Stupid
American, Julia's voice bold and brassy, then the next few songs were very
Ani Di Franco-ish. Later in the show the sound became a little more country.
And then, then, god it was like being back at a Dead Show -- the drums! Then
a little gospel, to

Lessee, songs I remember: the abovementioned Stupid American, One Thousand
Sarahs, Tommy the Canexican, Eddie's Concubine (see above re geek folk),
Three Fine Daughters of Farmer Brown, My Town...

A good night of music, and eight minutes from home.

Marie

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>From: Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM>
After she had looked at it, she called me and said
>that it was just perfect for me, so that's why I moved here.

Sorry -- I missed it, Theo -- where is here?

Marie

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At 04:42 PM 2/6/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         I don't recall ever meeting Bayla, so I don't think she was
> > there.  I think the first wordsler I ever met was probably
> > //Anne// since we worked two blocks from each other at the
> > time, but I can't say for sure.  I think you're thinking of
> > Bill and Rod.  I remember them being there.  But I'm the
> > last person in the world you want to rely on for remembering
> > stuff.  I'll bet the photo is in the archives somewhere.
>
>If you're talking about the gathering in Cambridge in early '92, Bayla
>wasn't there, Rod definitely was, and I think Bill M was.  That picture
>was the first one in the ftf section of the gallery when the Words-L
>page was here.  Some of the pictures vanished somehow in the move.  I
>hate that they did.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Jeese, I wonder who I'm thinking of then. I can picture the person's face
but I really don't know who it was.

lisa

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 10:15:33 AM, you wrote:
> At 08:46 AM 2/7/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Friday, February 7, 2003, 7:30:37 AM, you wrote:
>> > We got seven inches of snow. This winter has been fun.
>>
>>It's supposed to snow here today, too.
>>
>>Karen
>>Not this week's thistle...

> It's snowing here. We already have more than the 2-4 inches they predicted.
> I prefer this to the frigid temps!

WEll, it's 34; I don't know about that snow.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 10:24:23 AM, you wrote:
> Jeese, I wonder who I'm thinking of then. I can picture the person's face
> but I really don't know who it was.

Leah?

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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On 7 Feb 2003 at 11:18, lisa alfieri wrote:

> The other was a group shot at the table.

That's this one, isn't it?

http://www.arrirang.net/clamslam.html

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>From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM>
>http://www.arrirang.net/clamslam.html

I need IDs for this picture.

Marie

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> It's snowing here. We already have more than the 2-4 inches they predicted.
> I prefer this to the frigid temps!

Only a gentle inch here. Pretty. lining all the twigs and branches. We
are to have very cold weather in the coming few days. Heat went out
again yesterday, but they came twice more and it seems to be OK now. I
pray it stays OK, as I am not wanting to buy a new furnace (a
possibility, they said).

Jeff arrived last night and will be here till next Thursday. Am glad to
have his company and help, 'cause I don't feel really spry and alert.
Hope this is just recovery jitters and not a permanent state. Anyway, I
have plenty of tasks to keep him busy while I sit around like a sloth.

alyce

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
>
> I'm so glad he's there.

Yes. This is his delayed post-Xmas visit. He was to have come two weeks
ago, but with me in hospital, we had to postpone. Damned airline
punished me, too. $100 fine for cancelling, and then twice the fare that
we had because of not reserving weeks in advance. $252 became $550.
Bastards.

alyce

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At 11:30 AM 2/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM>
>After she had looked at it, she called me and said
>>that it was just perfect for me, so that's why I moved here.
>
>Sorry -- I missed it, Theo -- where is here?

Idaho.  Another daughter lives there, hopefully with no dishonest kids who
will rip her off.

Betty

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Left Honolulu 10:45 p.m. for San Francisco
Left SF about 7:00 a.m. for Denver
Denver to Omaha early p.m.

No food on any flight.

In SF airport they announced "if travelers on
flight XXX are hungry they are going to be
disappointed on this flight.  There will be no
food served.  You are welcome to bring food
aboard if you wish."

I've been wondering if they were going to
allow that.  Any of you remember the years
when people boarded busses and trains carrying
boxes of fried chicken, or peanut butter sandwiches
and oranges, etc. . . . . . and the whole vehicle
smelled like a school lunchroom?

                 - D. M.

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>From: alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET>
>Only a gentle inch here. Pretty. lining all the twigs and branches.

We're about 6 inches right now, although this storm isn't really ours. South
of here and the coast is getting hit hard. I've got to get down to Philly
tomorrow.

I'm out on a snow day, college is closed.

I guess I should be paying attention to this terror alert?

>are to have very cold weather in the coming few days. Heat went out
>again yesterday, but they came twice more and it seems to be OK now. I
>pray it stays OK, as I am not wanting to buy a new furnace (a
>possibility, they said).
>
>Jeff arrived last night and will be here till next Thursday. Am glad to
>have his company and help, 'cause I don't feel really spry and alert.

I'm so glad he's there.

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What's the pile of sandbags in the background?  Were you all expecting an air raid?
flood?


BrP





> > > The other was a group shot at the table.
> >
> >That's this one, isn't it?
> >
> >http://www.arrirang.net/clamslam.html
>
> Ohmygod!   Those are the original wordslers?  That is back in the time when
> Gods walked this list?   Yikes.   I'm outta here.
>
>
>     --bonniev

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>>If you're talking about the gathering in Cambridge in early '92, Bayla
>>wasn't there, Rod definitely was, and I think Bill M was.  That picture
>>was the first one in the ftf section of the gallery when the Words-L
>>page was here.  Some of the pictures vanished somehow in the move.  I
>>hate that they did.
>>
>>--
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Jeese, I wonder who I'm thinking of then. I can picture the person's face
>but I really don't know who it was.
>

I think you are thinking of Joan. Seeing the picture remindedc me that
the guy from Tufts was Don(?) Roby (Ruby?) and his friend may have been
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/Jim

>lisa

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> > The other was a group shot at the table.
>
>That's this one, isn't it?
>
>http://www.arrirang.net/clamslam.html

Ohmygod!   Those are the original wordslers?  That is back in the time when
Gods walked this list?   Yikes.   I'm outta here.


    --bonniev

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I'm home from paradise.

Since I've signed in I've only had 2 or 3 posts.
Quiet day?

                   - D. M.

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> What's the pile of sandbags in the background?

The event appears to have been held in someone's
fallout shelter.

> Were you all expecting an air raid?

They're evidently expecting more guests before the
bombs start falling, because they haven't sealed the
door yet.

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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On 7 Feb 2003 at 11:36, RICHARD J. SCHEIDT wrote:

> They're evidently expecting more guests before the
> bombs start falling, because they haven't sealed the
> door yet.

Oh, my, the door to the Words-L fallout shelter still seems to be
ajar, too. Your old seat awaits you.


    mem

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=
= --
= Richard                   1, 22, 25

Is that your locker combination?

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 11:40:23 AM, you wrote:
>> I think you are thinking of Joan.

Boorstein.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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You came back! We missed you.

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 12:01:26 PM, you wrote:
> Left Honolulu 10:45 p.m. for San Francisco
> Left SF about 7:00 a.m. for Denver
> Denver to Omaha early p.m.

> No food on any flight.

This is the norm any more.

> In SF airport they announced "if travelers on
> flight XXX are hungry they are going to be
> disappointed on this flight.  There will be no
> food served.  You are welcome to bring food
> aboard if you wish."

> I've been wondering if they were going to
> allow that.

"Allow"? I've been doing this for years.

Karen
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>We're about 6 inches right now, although this storm isn't really ours. South
>of here and the coast is getting hit hard. I've got to get down to Philly
>tomorrow.       --Marie

A scant inch here.  Clyde just walked down to town in it.  I'm waiting for
a friend to come by for a further lesson in sock-knitting.  That's me
giving the lesson to her.


    --bonniev

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 11:31:10 AM, you wrote:

>>>If you're talking about the gathering in Cambridge in early '92, Bayla
>>>wasn't there, Rod definitely was, and I think Bill M was.  That picture
>>>was the first one in the ftf section of the gallery when the Words-L
>>>page was here.  Some of the pictures vanished somehow in the move.  I
>>>hate that they did.
>>>
>>>--
>>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>>Jeese, I wonder who I'm thinking of then. I can picture the person's face
>>but I really don't know who it was.
>>

> I think you are thinking of Joan. Seeing the picture remindedc me that
> the guy from Tufts was Don(?) Roby (Ruby?) and his friend may have been
> Paul.

Roby. Yes, Paul. Another Paul, never a list Paul.

Karen
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Our airport has installed a light panel with five lights in the five
Homeland Security threat level colors, and the corresponding name on labels
by the lights. This is right outside the recently beefed-up TSA inspection
zone, and I don't know if the light board is a product of the nationalized
airport security system, or if it's just some local guy's idea of a neat
thing to install in a concourse. Has anyone else seen anything like this?

-aht



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Subject: TI Job Opportunities in India

Come Back to India
Texas Instruments India Career Fair 2003

TI-India is looking for engineers from India in the US who want to
return to India, specifically Bangalore. TI-India wants to hire 60+
engineers in 2003, if possible.  These are not ex-pat assignments,
but full time, ongoing positions in India.  They will not be
sponsoring any visas.

TI is looking for experienced individuals (5 years+ for leads and 10
years+ for managers) in the following positions:
.       Verification Managers/Technical Leads
.       RTL Managers/Technical Leads
.       Physical Design Managers/ Technical Leads
.       EDA Manager
.       Synthesis/Timing Analysis Leads
.       Electrical Analysis/ Reliability Managers/ Technical Leads
.       Analog Design Manager/ Leads
.       RF Design Managers/ Leads
.       Mixed Signal Test Engineering Managers/ Leads
.       Product Design/ Embedded Software Managers
.       Audio/ Video/ Imaging Systems and Software Managers/ Leads


Perhaps you or know of someone who would be interested. You don't
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Resumes should be sent to careers@india.ti.com

Go to the following website for full information
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For further information, please e-mail careers@india.ti.com

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>From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
>= Richard                   1, 22, 25
>
>Is that your locker combination?

A countdown to Mardi Gras.

Marie


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Only on StarTrek

BrP


> Our airport has installed a light panel with five lights in the five
> Homeland Security threat level colors, and the corresponding name on labels
> by the lights. This is right outside the recently beefed-up TSA inspection
> zone, and I don't know if the light board is a product of the nationalized
> airport security system, or if it's just some local guy's idea of a neat
> thing to install in a concourse. Has anyone else seen anything like this?
>
> -aht
>
>
>
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Karen:
> You came back! We missed you.

I was testing a new brand of voddy the other night,
and -- as they say -- it seemed like a good idea at
the time.

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 12:23:57 PM, you wrote:
> Karen:
>> You came back! We missed you.

> I was testing a new brand of voddy the other night,
> and -- as they say -- it seemed like a good idea at
> the time.

LOL. What brand?

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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mem:
>Your old seat awaits you.

<settles in>
Hmmm...  Either my ass has changed shape, or
someone's been using this.

Hey, mem, I was in your neck o' th' woods for
the first time a few months back.

It was like my trip to Alaska in the sense that
all the seemingly overblown things I'd heard from
other people turned out to be 100% true.

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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At 10:44 AM 2/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Friday, February 7, 2003, 10:24:23 AM, you wrote:
> > Jeese, I wonder who I'm thinking of then. I can picture the person's face
> > but I really don't know who it was.
>
>Leah?

I don't ever remember a "Leah" so I'm going to say no to that.

lisa

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At 12:29 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>We're about 6 inches right now, although this storm isn't really ours. South
>>of here and the coast is getting hit hard. I've got to get down to Philly
>>tomorrow.       --Marie
>
>A scant inch here.  Clyde just walked down to town in it.  I'm waiting for
>a friend to come by for a further lesson in sock-knitting.  That's me
>giving the lesson to her.
>
>
>    --bonniev

We around the 6 inch range now and it's not supposed to stop until tonight.

I wish I was on my way home right now. Not because I'm afraid to drive in
the snow. Basically I'm tired of working this week and want to invoke my
"work from home" privilege. This means I'll go to the gym for a couple
hours, go home, turn the tv on, log into work and complain that the VPN
kept me from getting in because it was acting flaky.

lisa

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At 11:42 AM 2/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Friday, February 7, 2003, 11:40:23 AM, you wrote:
> >> I think you are thinking of Joan.
>
>Boorstein.

Yep.. when I saw the picture I remembered her last name but still couldn't
think of her first name. I don't know why or when I started thinking it
was  Bayla.

lisa

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the vi clone:
> Is that your locker combination?

Dollar sez Betty'll figure it out.

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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> the vi clone:
> > Is that your locker combination?
>
> Dollar sez Betty'll figure it out.
>
> --
> Richard                   1, 22, 25

Maybe I've been doing too many puzzles, but my first thought was trying to figure
out what the next number in the sequence should be.



BrP

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Marie:
> A countdown to Mardi Gras.

...or Marie.

The 1 is the countdown to my krewe's ball,
and the 22 is the countdown to the parade.

Hey, "Ascher", don't think I've forgotten
being stood up at Acme Oyster House.

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 12:32:55 PM, you wrote:
> The 1 is the countdown to my krewe's ball,

What krewe? Do we get to see pictures?

Karen
Not this week's thistle...

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From: "Marie Ascher" <lounge_ascher@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
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>
> > the vi clone:
> > > Is that your locker combination?
> >
> > Dollar sez Betty'll figure it out.
> >
> > --
> > Richard                   1, 22, 25
>
>Maybe I've been doing too many puzzles, but my first thought was trying to
>figure
>out what the next number in the sequence should be.

The 25 is definitely the number of days til March 4.

Marie

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BrP:
>figure out what the next number in the sequence should be.

That'd be the number of days until Lent is over.

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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Karen:
> What krewe?

Tucks.

> Do we get to see pictures?

It'll just be a bunch of drunks in mullet wigs.

--
Coach Melrose                  1, 22, 25

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>From: "RICHARD J. SCHEIDT" <rjscheid@NADAL.LOYNO.EDU>
>Hey, "Ascher", don't think I've forgotten
>being stood up at Acme Oyster House.

Damn!

I don't exactly remember what happened there -- who stood up whom was vague,
and something regarding a long line seems familiar -- but I do apologize.

Marie



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Karen:
> LOL. What brand?

Some stuff the Greek gave me 3-for-the-price-of-2.
I prefer to think of him as a generous soul rather
than an opportunist with shelves to clear, and take
him up on these offers.

I figure I can use any undrinkable stuff to purify
Br's car after evicting the Sleeping Vagrant[tm].

--
Richard                   1, 22, 25

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 1:26:58 PM, you wrote:
> and I'm sitting at Dulles, about to get on a plane to Boston, a plane they
> currently claim is going to arrive 12 minutes early.  uh-huh .....

Good luck!

Karen

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At 01:22 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, Lisa wrote:

>At 12:29 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>We're about 6 inches right now, although this storm isn't really ours. South
>>>of here and the coast is getting hit hard. I've got to get down to Philly
>>>tomorrow.       --Marie
>>
>>A scant inch here.  Clyde just walked down to town in it.  I'm waiting for
>>a friend to come by for a further lesson in sock-knitting.  That's me
>>giving the lesson to her.
>>
>>
>>    --bonniev
>
>We around the 6 inch range now and it's not supposed to stop until tonight.

and I'm sitting at Dulles, about to get on a plane to Boston, a plane they
currently claim is going to arrive 12 minutes early.  uh-huh .....

--Elaine

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> Since I've signed in I've only had 2 or 3 posts.
> Quiet day?

Well, pretty quiet. There have been maybe 20 posts?

alyce

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At 02:26 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, elaine wrote:

>and I'm sitting at Dulles, about to get on a plane to Boston, a plane they
>currently claim is going to arrive 12 minutes early.  uh-huh .....

The 3 p.m. (EST) forecast has changed our 2-3 inches to 4-6.  As I look at
the radar composite, I believe it.

cwv

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02003-02-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Interesting.  I don't see Pete as a likely political candidate at all.
> Re desire and aptitude:  I don't see desire to run for office.  I see a
> caring citizen, of whom we need far more.  If we had more Petes among
> the voters in this country, things would be quite different.  (And I'm
> not talking here about Pete's specific views, although I do think I
> share most of them.  I'm talking about the fact that he cares, he keeps
> himself informed, and he speaks out.)  Aptitude?  I'm not really sure
> what the right aptitude is for running for political office, and I'm not
> at all convinced that Pete has it.  He may be too honest and outspoken
> for it.

I am sure Pete can slime his way through things with the best of them,
and euphemise like a bastard, but I am unsure how much of a "killer"
instinct he has. If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...

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At 01:30 PM 2/7/2003 -0600, Karenb wrote:

>Friday, February 7, 2003, 1:26:58 PM, you wrote:
> > and I'm sitting at Dulles, about to get on a plane to Boston, a plane they
> > currently claim is going to arrive 12 minutes early.  uh-huh .....
>
>Good luck!

we're now looking at a 4:30 departure -- so much for the 12 minutes early
bit.  the plane's here, so if Boston clears enough to let anybody land, I
should actually make it.  but I get to sit here for another bit, anyway,
and actually read mail as it comes in -- what a concept!

--Elaine

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At 02:26 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, Elaine M Brennan wrote:
>At 01:22 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, Lisa wrote:
>
>>At 12:29 PM 2/7/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>>We're about 6 inches right now, although this storm isn't really ours.
>>>>South
>>>>of here and the coast is getting hit hard. I've got to get down to Philly
>>>>tomorrow.       --Marie
>>>
>>>A scant inch here.  Clyde just walked down to town in it.  I'm waiting for
>>>a friend to come by for a further lesson in sock-knitting.  That's me
>>>giving the lesson to her.
>>>
>>>
>>>    --bonniev
>>
>>We around the 6 inch range now and it's not supposed to stop until tonight.
>
>and I'm sitting at Dulles, about to get on a plane to Boston, a plane they
>currently claim is going to arrive 12 minutes early.  uh-huh .....
>
>--Elaine

They're sending us home from work. There updated forecast is 5-10.. we're
closing in on 10 already. Preliminary reports say there's knee deep snow in
the parking lot and it's a challenge just to get out of your parking space.
I cannot wait to hit the roads!

lisa

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02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Subject: TI Job Opportunities in India
>
> TI is looking for experienced individuals (5 years+ for leads and 10
> years+ for managers) in the following positions:
> .       Verification Managers/Technical Leads
> .       RTL Managers/Technical Leads
> .       Physical Design Managers/ Technical Leads
> .       EDA Manager
> .       Synthesis/Timing Analysis Leads
> .       Electrical Analysis/ Reliability Managers/ Technical Leads
> .       Analog Design Manager/ Leads
> .       RF Design Managers/ Leads
> .       Mixed Signal Test Engineering Managers/ Leads
> .       Product Design/ Embedded Software Managers
> .       Audio/ Video/ Imaging Systems and Software Managers/ Leads

These are the most exciting jobs I have ever seen! And so
relevant to what I do too!

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All these reports of snow - somewhere other than Syracuse - do my heart good.
We've had about 110 in. so far this winter and I'm glad we're not adding to it today.

BrP




> They're sending us home from work. There updated forecast is 5-10.. we're
> closing in on 10 already. Preliminary reports say there's knee deep snow in
> the parking lot and it's a challenge just to get out of your parking space.
> I cannot wait to hit the roads!
>
> lisa

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> > The other was a group shot at the table.
>
> That's this one, isn't it?
>
> http://www.arrirang.net/clamslam.html

Is that Don Roby's Paul standing up on the far right?
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant writes,

>I am sure Pete can slime his way through things with the best of them,
>and euphemise like a bastard, but I am unsure how much of a "killer"
>instinct he has.

Good call.

>If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
>kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
>has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
>it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...

And now I'm not sure if that was a nice compliment, or a consummate slam --
or both. :)

Pete

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bonniev wrote:

> Ohmygod!   Those are the original wordslers?  That is back in the time when
> Gods walked this list?   Yikes.   I'm outta here.

Those aren't necessarily The Original Wordslers.  That picture was taken
in winter '92.  The list started in Oct. '89.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Jim Bradley wrote:

> I think you are thinking of Joan. Seeing the picture remindedc me that
> the guy from Tufts was Don(?) Roby (Ruby?) and his friend may have been
> Paul.

Don Roby -- Robymeister.  It hasn't been that long ago since he last
checked in here.  I don't count him among the totally vanished
Wordslers.

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In a message dated 2/6/2003 5:45:55 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< So Pete, when are you going to run for office? Not the Presidency, just any
office. You seem to have the desire and the aptitude - have you thought
about it?
 >>

you get my vote! Theo

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Holy moly.  Speaking of long-absent Wordslers!  Where have you been,
Richard?  How's NO?

--
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>bonniev wrote:
>
> > Ohmygod!   Those are the original wordslers?  That is back in the time when
> > Gods walked this list?   Yikes.   I'm outta here.
>
>Those aren't necessarily The Original Wordslers.  That picture was taken
>in winter '92.  The list started in Oct. '89.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Do the original ones look even geekier?


    --bonniev

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On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 12:29:47PM -0600, RICHARD J. SCHEIDT wrote:
= the vi clone:
= > Is that your locker combination?
=

oops, I deleted the 1, 22, 25

All has been revealed.  I shoulda stopped and thunk about it
instead of cracking wise!

What did you do to my nice = above?   And what do you mean by vi
clone?  Did I say something about vi here recently?  I was
chatting online with a friend today and we were talking about how
technical it can get to build a web site, and I was saying I
didn't really know because I was still building mine with vi.

Not that I ever really have a home page or anything, though it
looks like I may get there shortly.

(and I am typing this in in some vi clone or another - one with
minimal bells and whistles)

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I'm home from paradise.

Welcome back to the USA.

> Since I've signed in I've only had 2 or 3 posts.
> Quiet day?

My day is exciting.  A new toilet is going into my bathroom even as we
speak.  The person putting it in said he doesn't think he's ever seen
one as old as the old one.

--
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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > I'm home from paradise.
>
> Welcome back to the USA.
>
> > Since I've signed in I've only had 2 or 3 posts.
> > Quiet day?
>
> My day is exciting.  A new toilet is going into my bathroom even as we
> speak.  The person putting it in said he doesn't think he's ever seen
> one as old as the old one.


Congratulations and many happy returns

BrP




>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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The new one doesn't cover up the ugly place on the wall where the old
one was.  I may have to hang a poster or something behind the new one.
I'll be glad when the installer finishes and leaves so I can play with
the situation.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I had friends in college who had decorated their entire bathroom with photographs of
animals pissing.  I always thought that was an interesting approach to décor.
Perhaps you could cover your ugly place thusly.

BrP
-always trying to be helpful




> The new one doesn't cover up the ugly place on the wall where the old
> one was.  I may have to hang a poster or something behind the new one.
> I'll be glad when the installer finishes and leaves so I can play with
> the situation.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I don't ever remember a "Leah" so I'm going to say no to that.

Leah was a regular here in the early days and was at Clambake and some
of the other Clambake-weekend activities.  She lived in Providence.  For
some reason I can't remember her last name at the moment.  She was
middle-aged, brunette, short.

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steph:
> What did you do to my nice = above?

I probably deleted something important while replacing
your addy with my hilariously funny Unix joke.

> And what do you mean by vi clone?

Unless I am misremembering, 'stevie' is a vi clone.
Or it was the first version of a vi clone that got
renamed when it finally worked.  Or something.

Fine.  It wasn't a hilariously funny Unix joke after all.

> didn't really know because I was still building mine with vi.

Then I assume you have the "This site is vi powered" .gif?

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Theodora Groothof writes,

>you get my vote! Theo

Thanks, Theo! :)

Pete

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bonniev wrote:

> Do the original ones look even geekier?

Much more so, I feel sure.  I see no geekiness at all in that picture.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> Congratulations and many happy returns

It's got strange little ridges in the bowl.  I didn't pick it out.  Hope
I like it as much as I liked the new one I bought at Lowe's and had put
into my old house a year or so before I moved.

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steph wrote:

> technical it can get to build a web site, and I was saying I
> didn't really know because I was still building mine with vi.

Hear, hear.  Tis the most comfortable way.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> I had friends in college who had decorated their entire bathroom with photographs of
> animals pissing.  I always thought that was an interesting approach to décor.
> Perhaps you could cover your ugly place thusly.

I have a wonderful painting on the wall above the toilet of French dogs
in line at a fireplug and a desperate dachshund trying to break in
line.  The name of the painting is "A la queue!"

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>Where have you been, Richard?

Here, I guess.  I'd peek at the archives from
time to time; I just had nothing to add.

>How's NO?

Well, my part of it is as filthy, noisy,
and dangerous as ever.  Moreso, maybe.

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>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>I had friends in college who had decorated their entire bathroom with photographs of
>animals pissing.  I always thought that was an interesting approach to décor.
>Perhaps you could cover your ugly place thusly.

I have a LANE map showing the distribution of terms for <outhouse>.

Bethany

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02003-02-07 | Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >I am sure Pete can slime his way through things with the best of them,
> >and euphemise like a bastard, but I am unsure how much of a "killer"
> >instinct he has.
>
> Good call.
>
> >If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
> >kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
> >has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
> >it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...
>
> And now I'm not sure if that was a nice compliment, or a consummate slam --
> or both. :)

I hope you didn't take anything as a value judgement. I am just
trying, as an outsider, to figure out what it takes to be good
at the "art of the possible". (Actually, programming is also
an art of the possible, but how many buttheads in the field
have any practical political skills? Close to zero ...)

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In a message dated 2/7/2003 10:50:36 AM, bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Idaho.  Another daughter lives there, hopefully with no dishonest kids who
will rip her off.

Betty
 >>

Although it wasn't funny at the time, I had to smile when I read it. You're
so right, Betty !! There doesn't seem to be another grandchild in the near
future, as my youngest has no plans for marriage, nor childbearing. Can't say
I blame her, Theo

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There used to be a restaurant in St. Augustine, Florida that had their
bathrooms decorated with nuns or monks pissing.  Well, the nuns had their
skirts up and were sitting down.   The pictures were murals.   I loved that
restaurant.  Great food.  Gregorian chant as their music.  Waiters dressed
as monks.   I wonder if it is still there.


>I had friends in college who had decorated their entire bathroom with
>photographs of
>animals pissing.  I always thought that was an interesting approach to décor.
>Perhaps you could cover your ugly place thusly.
>
>BrP
>-always trying to be helpful
>
>
>
>
> > The new one doesn't cover up the ugly place on the wall where the old
> > one was.  I may have to hang a poster or something behind the new one.
> > I'll be glad when the installer finishes and leaves so I can play with
> > the situation.
> >
> > --
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

    --bonniev

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> > Do the original ones look even geekier?
>
>Much more so, I feel sure.  I see no geekiness at all in that picture.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

The fact that is black and white and old helps.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 2/7/2003 9:30:41 AM, lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Sorry -- I missed it, Theo -- where is here? >>

Meridian, ID- It's close to Boise, ID. I'm totally unfamiliar with this
State; having driven through it once or twice only on one of our many former
travels with my ex when he was in the army. But I can safely say that I've
lived in every corner of this country from north to south, east to west
before this move. Not counting our 6 years in Germany! And that was done in 2
separate sessions, so you know I've had it with moving! It seems to be a
friendly community here. We have rural mailboxes that are out of my reach, so
I put a note on it, requesting delivery at my door; I had a spare mailbox
that my daughter hung up. They refused it in Colorado Springs, but 'lo and
behold, my mail was at the door this morning. :-}
One thing I find strange. There are no screendoors anywhere. It's definitely
necessary when you have an animal, I think. My yard is fenced in, so if my
kitty gets out there, that would be OK, but not on the street side from the
front door.
I'll have to get used to this dampness here too. The 6 foot tall wooden
stockade fence in the back is 3/4 stained from the dampness. According to my
daughter it's permanent, and never dries. It was damp like that in he state
of Washington, but then it rained there EVERY day! Here, it was dry, and
sunny for the last few days, so I expected that most of the fence would dry
up, but it looks no different from before.
Oh well, I'll get used to it I suppose. I've adjusted to so many different
lifestyles before, one more can surely find a place in it again. The one
thing I'm mostly concerned with is the condition of my eye. It's not getting
any better, and it worries me. I have an appointment soon, so hopefully it's
just a minor condition that's treatable. 'Nuff for today, more later as it
happens. Theo

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----- Original Message -----
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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > I'm home from paradise.
>
> Welcome back to the USA.
>

Did Doris leave the USA?

alec

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bonniev wrote:

>> > The other was a group shot at the table.
>>
>> That's this one, isn't it?
>>
>> http://www.arrirang.net/clamslam.html
>
>
> Ohmygod!   Those are the original wordslers?  That is back in the time when
> Gods walked this list?   Yikes.   I'm outta here.


        Duh.  Of course we're all geeks.  That's before they let just
anybody on the 'net.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>It's got strange little ridges in the bowl.  I didn't pick it out.  Hope
>I like it as much as I liked the new one I bought at Lowe's and had put
>into my old house a year or so before I moved.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That sounds hard to clean.  Who did pick it out?


    --bonniev

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At 01:03 PM 2/7/2003 -0800, pete wrote:

>>If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
>>kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
>>has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
>>it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...
>
>And now I'm not sure if that was a nice compliment, or a consummate slam --
>or both. :)

Larry K. is, as I'm sure you know, a former (and sometimes now, drop-in)
member of the group.  To be placed in the same category as Larry is, in my
opinion, a compliment.

cwv

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In a message dated 02/07/2003 10:16:48 AM Central Standard Time,
alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
It's snowing here. We already have more than the 2-4 inches they predicted.
I prefer this to the frigid temps!


>>

We had only an inch of snow, and the weatherpeople were apologizing
for not having as much snow as they predicted.

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The <outhouse> map is officially the <PRIVY> map, I also have maps for
<KICKED THE BUCKET> AND <PASSED AWAY>. At one time, I owned an entire
folio of the LANE maps. I kept these 3.

Bethany

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 2:35:34 PM, you wrote:
> These are the most exciting jobs I have ever seen! And so
> relevant to what I do too!

I mostly liked the pitch.

Karen

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02003-02-07 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> I am sure Pete can slime his way through things with the best of them,
> and euphemise like a bastard, but I am unsure how much of a "killer"
> instinct he has. If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
> kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
> has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
> it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...

Oh my damn I'm freakin psychic ... Look who Kesty's sandwiched between:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emv/project/vacuum/

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02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, February 7, 2003, 2:35:34 PM, you wrote:
> > These are the most exciting jobs I have ever seen! And so
> > relevant to what I do too!
>
> I mostly liked the pitch.

There was no pitch--just a target audience.

I was 8 when I visited Bangalore and it looked and felt beautiful
to me. It must be pretty damn crass by now.

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At 02:35 PM 2/7/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
>02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Subject: TI Job Opportunities in India
> >
> > TI is looking for experienced individuals (5 years+ for leads and 10
> > years+ for managers) in the following positions:
> > .       Verification Managers/Technical Leads
> > .       RTL Managers/Technical Leads
> > .       Physical Design Managers/ Technical Leads
> > .       EDA Manager
> > .       Synthesis/Timing Analysis Leads
> > .       Electrical Analysis/ Reliability Managers/ Technical Leads
> > .       Analog Design Manager/ Leads
> > .       RF Design Managers/ Leads
> > .       Mixed Signal Test Engineering Managers/ Leads
> > .       Product Design/ Embedded Software Managers
> > .       Audio/ Video/ Imaging Systems and Software Managers/ Leads
>
>These are the most exciting jobs I have ever seen! And so
>relevant to what I do too!

Is this another way of saying that you are irrelevant?

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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oh my god look at the weather in Ann Arbor, my home town:

Temperature 15 °F / -9 °C

Who's Adina Levin?

Ann
On Fri, 7 Feb
2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-02-07 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> > I am sure Pete can slime his way through things with the best of them,
> > and euphemise like a bastard, but I am unsure how much of a "killer"
> > instinct he has. If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
> > kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
> > has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
> > it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...
>
> Oh my damn I'm freakin psychic ... Look who Kesty's sandwiched between:
>
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emv/project/vacuum/
>

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02003-02-07 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 01:03 PM 2/7/2003 -0800, pete wrote:
>
> >>If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
> >>kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
> >>has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
> >>it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...
> >
> >And now I'm not sure if that was a nice compliment, or a consummate slam --
> >or both. :)
>
> Larry K. is, as I'm sure you know, a former (and sometimes now, drop-in)
> member of the group.  To be placed in the same category as Larry is, in my
> opinion, a compliment.

MARY POPPINS HAS SPOKEN

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 6:06:45 PM, you wrote:
> Who's Adina Levin?

An Interesting Austinite (and Yalie). http://alevin.com/weblog/

Karen

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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:23:31 -0600
From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@maynor.net>
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Didn't have any time to play with the toilet after the installer left
(and stupidly let him haul off my pretty oak toilet seat with the old
one -- need to get another one -- the new toilet has a seat/lid like
those at cheap motels -- plastic and tacky).  Anyway, just after he
left, the phone rang, and somebody at a law office in Hville said she
had just faxed a deed to me that I needed to sign, have notarized, fax
back immediately, and then mail by overnight mail for Monday's house
closing.  As I think I've said before, my RRB&SIL are idiots in most
ways.  They know nothing at all themselves.  They hire people to know
things for them.  When I had asked ages ago if I had to be present for
the house closing, they said a flat-out NO.  If they had said yes, then
I would have made arrangements and gone there.  I thought in fact that
it had already happened since they had said things to lead me to believe
that it had.  But no, at 4 p.m. on a Friday I get this call saying this
document was needed from me before the Monday-afternoon closing.

Ok, so I raced to the office and found the fax (we are free to receive
incoming faxes of any kind at the office -- as in personal stuff --
since there's pretty much no cost at all involved -- outgoing ones are a
different matter -- for personal ones we can go down to the Telecomm
office and use our personal account numbers and pay to have them sent).
But then the big problem set in:  trying to find a notary public.  I
went down to the one in Telecomm who has notarized various things for me
lately, but she had already left for the weekend.  Somebody there told
me there was one in Student Affairs, so I raced there only to find that
she wasn't there today.  Then I raced to my bank, but they don't have
one at that branch -- they said there was one at another nearby branch.
I raced there and found that she had left.  I then raced to Dan Camp's
office (the person who owns most of my old neighborhood) and asked
whether Annie, his assistant, was a notary public.  He said yes but that
she was gone.  I then raced to the main downtown bank, with the clock
ticking more and more rapidly, and FOUND ONE!  Not only did she notarize
my signature, but she also faxed the thing back to Hville for me.  Then
I got to the p.o. just in the nick of time before it closed at 5:00 and
sent the thing by Express Mail, which guarantees two-day delivery.  (It
has occurred to me at times that Express Mail really ought to cost less
if you're in a two-day place, as opposed to Express Mail between cities,
which is one-day delivery.  But there's no price break.  It's just
clearly pointed out that "overnight" from here means "two days.")  So
the document will arrive in Hville no later than 3 p.m. on Monday --
guaranteed by the p.o.  The closing is at 4:00.

What a hectic hour or so.  By the time I got home, I was out of the mood
for toilet play.  Will play with the new toilet tomorrow.
--
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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@noxiousweeds.net>
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On 7 Feb 2003 at 12:29, RICHARD J. SCHEIDT wrote:

> Hey, mem, I was in your neck o' th' woods for
> the first time a few months back.

I'm not good for much, but I'm always good for lunch. You should
have looked me up.


    mem

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"RICHARD J. SCHEIDT" wrote:

> > didn't really know because I was still building mine with vi.
>
> Then I assume you have the "This site is vi powered" .gif?

I used to have that on my web pages.  But I changed it a while back to
one I like much better.  I can't remember now what it looks like.
Anybody just dying to know (or even moderately interested in knowing)
can find it at the bottom of pages like this one:

http://www.maynor.net/

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> >you get my vote! Theo
>
> Thanks, Theo! :)

Mine too.  But we need to find you a VP candidate if it's Pres you're
going to run for.  Many of us were promoting a Singer-Schrier ticket a
number of years ago.  Who will be your VP?

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I have a LANE map showing the distribution of terms for <outhouse>.

I have very fond memories of LANE.  I did lots of stuff with it the
summer of '80 in the U of Chicago library.  I think that's where I first
learned of whiffletrees.  And I loved the man's story of the difference
between clim and clumb as the preterite of climb.  I became quite
intimate with lots of those dead-by-then LANE informants.

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02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, February 7, 2003, 6:06:45 PM, you wrote:
> > Who's Adina Levin?
>
> An Interesting Austinite (and Yalie). http://alevin.com/weblog/

Is Austin the southern Ann Arbor? Discuss ...

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> which stood out was Nicholas Ridiculous (or whatever), which is clearly of
> their folk geek style. But the highlight of the show was when they stepped
> away from the mikes and projected into the space for a beautiful Easy
> People.

Superhero Soup, a fine song. You should hear the studio version - it is SO
SLOW. I do like the off-mic Easy People, but I adored the band version. Dave
Hower's drumming just was a great driving force. Like a drum, even.

> They opened with a song that might have been
> called Stupid American,

It is. A baguette doesn't come in a bag?

> And then, then, god it was like being back at a Dead Show -- the
> drums!

Eddie's a great drummer.

> A good night of music, and eight minutes from home.

That rocks. Three Fine Daughters of Farmer Brown is my favorite EFO song,
followed closely by Old Dominion, which was in the running for the Virginia
state song.

I have some EFO albums here, if you're interested in any come SnowBash. I
have Actually Not, The Portable EFO Show, Looking Out The Fishbowl, and a
burned copy of Quick. They're one of my 2nd-tier bands.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-02-07 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 02:35 PM 2/7/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
> >02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Subject: TI Job Opportunities in India
> >>
> >> TI is looking for experienced individuals (5 years+ for leads and 10
> >> years+ for managers) in the following positions:
> >> .       Verification Managers/Technical Leads
> >> .       RTL Managers/Technical Leads
> >> .       Physical Design Managers/ Technical Leads
> >> .       EDA Manager
> >> .       Synthesis/Timing Analysis Leads
> >> .       Electrical Analysis/ Reliability Managers/ Technical Leads
> >> .       Analog Design Manager/ Leads
> >> .       RF Design Managers/ Leads
> >> .       Mixed Signal Test Engineering Managers/ Leads
> >> .       Product Design/ Embedded Software Managers
> >> .       Audio/ Video/ Imaging Systems and Software Managers/ Leads
> >
> >These are the most exciting jobs I have ever seen! And so
> >relevant to what I do too!
>
> Is this another way of saying that you are irrelevant?

Master quip, bro!

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02003-02-07 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > >you get my vote! Theo
> >
> > Thanks, Theo! :)
>
> Mine too.  But we need to find you a VP candidate if it's Pres you're
> going to run for.  Many of us were promoting a Singer-Schrier ticket a
> number of years ago.  Who will be your VP?

Singer-Schreier have already won.

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"RICHARD J. SCHEIDT" wrote:

> >How's NO?
>
> Well, my part of it is as filthy, noisy,
> and dangerous as ever.  Moreso, maybe.

A colleague of mine bought a condo in the Quarter several years ago and
spent weekends and holidays there but then got disgusted by what he
described as "fat Midwestern tourists" and sold the condo.  Then a year
or so later he retired from here and took a job in Boston working for
his old Williams College fraternity.

I may become a NO regular if I really do follow through on my -- my
what?  Not really plan.  Not whim either since it's something I've been
thinking about for a while.  My whatever of moving to Bay St. Louis, MS,
which is very close to NO.

But the ---- crappola!  I got interrupted by a phone call and can't
remember what I was going to say.  Oh yes -- it was that the dinger just
dinged to say that my whatever I stuck in the toaster oven is ready.
Glad I remembered after the phone conversation.  Gotta go!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 6:37:14 PM, you wrote:

> 02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
>> Friday, February 7, 2003, 6:06:45 PM, you wrote:
>> > Who's Adina Levin?
>>
>> An Interesting Austinite (and Yalie). http://alevin.com/weblog/

> Is Austin the southern Ann Arbor? Discuss ...

No.

Karen

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> Leah was a regular here in the early days and was at Clambake and some
> of the other Clambake-weekend activities.  She lived in Providence.  For
> some reason I can't remember her last name at the moment.  She was
> middle-aged, brunette, short.

Leah picked me up at the Providence train station and brought me to Judith's
house the night before the Clambake.

I can't remember her last name, either, but she was nice.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-02-07 | Ann Borkin <aborkin@RAHUL.NET> writes:
> oh my god look at the weather in Ann Arbor, my home town:
>
> Temperature 15 °F / -9 °C
>
> Who's Adina Levin?
>
> > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emv/project/vacuum/

You are probably finding this blog incredibly interesting Bork! Damn
if I didn't see only Ducky's dumbass laws of email once bloody again!
I am sorry, do people really believe these? Especially this:

  6. The faster and better a Search tool is, the less
  important it is to file messages.

Is this view of people as dork-bots relying upon random firings of
associative memory just mildly bizarre or totally evil? And more
generally, do bloggers drag each other's standards down and implicitly
license taking leave of their senses? Discuss ...

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02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Friday, February 7, 2003, 6:37:14 PM, you wrote:
> > 02003-02-07 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> >> Friday, February 7, 2003, 6:06:45 PM, you wrote:
> >> > Who's Adina Levin?
> >>
> >> An Interesting Austinite (and Yalie). http://alevin.com/weblog/
>
> > Is Austin the southern Ann Arbor? Discuss ...
>
> No.

I have heard it's pretty weird.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > Do the original ones look even geekier?
> >
> >Much more so, I feel sure.  I see no geekiness at all in that picture.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> The fact that is black and white and old helps.

It looked <murkier> than I had remembered it as looking.  But why would
black and white and old suggest geekiness?

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >It's got strange little ridges in the bowl.  I didn't pick it out.  Hope
> >I like it as much as I liked the new one I bought at Lowe's and had put
> >into my old house a year or so before I moved.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> That sounds hard to clean.  Who did pick it out?

It will be interesting to see what it's like when in real use.  The
person who picked it out was Young Thomas.  I've been wanting a new
toilet since the old one was scratched and stained.  Then I got really
revved up about wanting a new one since the old one had been doing more
and more bad things.  I've replaced some of its guts on several
occasions, but lately the little hook that goes through the loop that
pulls up the plunger thing had kept slipping out, meaning it wouldn't
flush until I went in and rehooked the hook.  That was happening more
and more often.  Then yesterday I rehooked it and crimped it so that it
wouldn't be as likely to slip off, so it decided instead to hold the
plunger thing up forever.  None of this happened every time, btw.  But
it was happening more and more often -- either it wouldn't flush at all,
or it wouldn't stop flushing.  I had taken to leaving the tank lid
(which wasn't a real tank lid -- it was a tinny thing that somebody had
stuck over the tank) off and sitting beside the toilet since I knew that
I regularly needed to dip my hands into the tank malfunctions.  Those
malfunctions could no doubt have been repaired, but you have to remember
that it was also an ancient, scratched, yellowed toilet.

That's all getting too long and off the point, isn't it.  Ok, so when I
left campus this afternoon, I stopped by Dan Camp's office to ask him
whether he knew the scoop on why the Blue Marlin had closed and to ask
him various other things, and I also tossed in, "Do you happen to have a
new toilet sitting around that you'd sell me?"  He said he didn't, but
then Thomas, one of his employees, walked in, and he said to Thomas, "Go
out to Southern Pipes and buy a toilet and take it over to her house and
put it in."  Thomas said ok, and I went home and awaited Thomas and the
toilet.

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> > > I'm home from paradise.
> >
> > Welcome back to the USA.
>
> Did Doris leave the USA?

Yes.  The real USA, as we've discussed before.  The flag still has 48
stars to many of us old-timers.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> We have rural mailboxes that are out of my reach, so
> I put a note on it, requesting delivery at my door; I had a spare mailbox
> that my daughter hung up. They refused it in Colorado Springs, but 'lo and
> behold, my mail was at the door this morning. :-}

I was thinking about Alyce's mail problems not long ago when walking
Spencer and noticing that the postman stopped in front of the house of
an old and unwell man and took his mail to the door, even though this
neighborhood has 100% on-the-curb mailboxes.  I was happy to see that
postpeople here still help people who have difficulty going out to a
curbside mailbox.

> One thing I find strange. There are no screendoors anywhere. It's definitely
> necessary when you have an animal, I think. My yard is fenced in, so if my
> kitty gets out there, that would be OK, but not on the street side from the
> front door.

I'm confused by this.  What does having screendoors help?  Is it that if
somebody knocks on your door, you can open the door and talk to the
person with the screen door still there to prevent an animal from
walking out?  Now that I've written that, I feel sure that that is what
you mean.  But I will say that I've had animals in houses for the past
goodmany years without having screendoors.

>  'Nuff for today, more later as it
> happens.

I'm glad you're there.  I think it sounds like a much better situation.
And I'm enjoying hearing about it.

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On 7 Feb 2003 at 19:39, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Yes.  The real USA, as we've discussed before.  The flag still has 48
> stars to many of us old-timers.

Pardon my bluntness, but this is idiotic in the extreme.

   mem

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 7:55:25 PM, you wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2003 at 19:39, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> Yes.  The real USA, as we've discussed before.  The flag still has 48
>> stars to many of us old-timers.

> Pardon my bluntness, but this is idiotic in the extreme.

Or, one might say... MUTANT CITY!!!!

P.S. I love my fireplace on a cold night.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I can't remember her last name, either, but she was nice.

Yes, I remember liking Leah.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > Yes.  The real USA, as we've discussed before.  The flag still has 48
> > stars to many of us old-timers.
>
> Pardon my bluntness, but this is idiotic in the extreme.

To those who don't find it funny, the joke doesn't work.  I grant that.
My "welcome back to the USA" to Doris was an allusion to earlier
statements about the <real> USA.  Sort of like my comments to Tony about
Canada, etc. etc.  Idiotic?  I guess that depends on how you think of
that word.  It's not one that usually comes first to my mind when
thinking that something somebody else thought at least moderately funny
isn't particularly funny.  But that's ok.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> Yes.  The real USA, as we've discussed before.  The flag still has 48
> >> stars to many of us old-timers.
>
> > Pardon my bluntness, but this is idiotic in the extreme.
>
> Or, one might say... MUTANT CITY!!!!

I guess.  What strikes me as a bit odd is that I don't remember this
kind of reaction when I've said things like this before.
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rjscheid wrote:
= steph:
= > What did you do to my nice = above?
=
= I probably deleted something important while replacing
= your addy with my hilariously funny Unix joke.
=

Nevermind.  My brain is addled.

= > And what do you mean by vi clone?
=
= Unless I am misremembering, 'stevie' is a vi clone.
= Or it was the first version of a vi clone that got
= renamed when it finally worked.  Or something.
=
= Fine.  It wasn't a hilariously funny Unix joke after all.
=

Are unix jokes ever hilariously funny?  It's just a mailbox for
list mail for me right now.  I've tried using the name in real life
before with mixed results.


= > didn't really know because I was still building mine with vi.
=
= Then I assume you have the "This site is vi powered" .gif?
=

I need to build the site first.  Then I'll think about silly
logos.

You have been gone a long time.  I was in NO in May of 2001, and
somewhere in between thinking about the trip and the actual
execution I completely forgot about your existence to the point
that it wasn't until months later that I forgot that I hadn't
looked you up.

steph

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In a message dated 2/7/2003 6:46:51 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<  But I will say that I've had animals in houses for the past
goodmany years without having screendoors.
 >>

I've mostly had stormdoors,(1/2 glass,1/2 screen) You replace the screen with
glass in wintertime to keep the cold out. In summertime you do the reverse.
Never had problems with my dogs either. They obeyed the command to stay
behind me, but I'm not sure if my new (and first) kitty) obeys commands like
that. Cats seem to have a mind of their own. No matter how many times I've
told her to stay away from things, she'll do the forbidden thing over and
over again. No matter how much I love animals, I don't appreciate her jumping
on the table or kitchencounter to sample the food items I have prepared for
myself. So that's the problem. Theo

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 8:53:00 PM, you wrote:
> Cats seem to have a mind of their own.

I nominate this for Understatement Of The Year.:)

Karen

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>No matter how much I love animals, I don't appreciate her jumping
>on the table or kitchencounter to sample the food items I have prepared for
>myself. So that's the problem. Theo

You need a small spray bottle filled with water.   When she jumps on the
counter, you say NO! and gently spray water in her face.   Pretty soon you
just have to show her the bottle and she runs.  Dogs have a sense of
guilt.  Cats don't.  It takes a little more to make them understand that
you don't want them to do something.


    --bonniev

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In my latest vanity search, I see that the arrirang.net pages are
showing up.  The old words-l.org ones didn't used to, did they?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> I've mostly had stormdoors,(1/2 glass,1/2 screen) You replace the screen with
> glass in wintertime to keep the cold out. In summertime you do the reverse.

I had a stormdoor at the backdoor of my previous house (unrelated to an
animal running out -- it was right beside his doggy-door).  Storm doors
here don't work like the ones you describe, though.  You roll up the
glass when you want just the screen and roll down the glass in hot or
cold weather.  Just like windows.

> No matter how much I love animals, I don't appreciate her jumping
> on the table or kitchencounter to sample the food items I have prepared for
> myself.

I know people who won't eat in houses that have cats because they say
that cats jump onto counters and contaminate food.  I find that view
extreme.  I figure a bit of animal saliva or hair or whatever won't hurt
me.  I do understand how that's off-putting to people, though.  That and
litter boxes.  I must admit that I don't like the smell of litter
boxes.  Cat people don't realize there is a smell.  People without cats
do smell it.  But then dog people don't notice the dog smells in their
houses, while others do.  Iow, this is not intended as some kind of
anti-cat argument.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 11:36 AM 2/7/2003 -0600, RICHARD J. SCHEIDT wrote:
> > What's the pile of sandbags in the background?
>
>The event appears to have been held in someone's
>fallout shelter.
>
> > Were you all expecting an air raid?
>
>They're evidently expecting more guests before the
>bombs start falling, because they haven't sealed the
>door yet.
>
>--
>Richard                   1, 22, 25

How many days until Mardi Gras?

Betty

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 9:27:33 PM, you wrote:
> I had a stormdoor at the backdoor of my previous house (unrelated to an
> animal running out -- it was right beside his doggy-door).  Storm doors
> here don't work like the ones you describe, though.  You roll up the
> glass when you want just the screen and roll down the glass in hot or
> cold weather.  Just like windows.

Where do they roll up to? Or is it only the bottom that's screen,
like windows?

> I do understand how that's off-putting to people, though.  That and
> litter boxes.  I must admit that I don't like the smell of litter
> boxes.  Cat people don't realize there is a smell.  People without cats
> do smell it.  But then dog people don't notice the dog smells in their
> houses, while others do.  Iow, this is not intended as some kind of
> anti-cat argument.

I would not have taken this cat if there were a litter box
involved.

I don't actually know where she's doing her business, though.

When she came in the house the other night, she eyed Ligniere's
Papaya tree, and that's when I shooed her out.

Karen

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In a message dated 02/07/2003 7:47:05 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
What does having screendoors help?  Is it that if
somebody knocks on your door, you can open the door and talk to the
person with the screen door still there to prevent an animal from
walking out?
>>

Yes, and you can leave the storm door open and the screen door
shut and have fresh air come into the room via the screen.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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'Powder at Yawgoo all damned day long...  ;-P

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At 01:03 PM 2/7/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Tushar Samant writes,
>
>>I am sure Pete can slime his way through things with the best of them,
>>and euphemise like a bastard, but I am unsure how much of a "killer"
>>instinct he has.
>
>Good call.
>
>>If he doesn't, he might only end up in a Kestenbaum
>>kind of position. Which leads to an interesting thought: Kestenbaum
>>has in abundance what could be called a blogger personality ... could
>>it be that that keeps him in a low-profile political niche? Discuss...
>
>And now I'm not sure if that was a nice compliment, or a consummate slam --
>or both. :)

Have you checked out his web site?  http://politicalgraveyard.com/

Betty

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:01:22 -0600
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It's snowing furiously in Kerrville.

It's still 36 degrees here.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:04:59 -0600
From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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I went to watch the first day of the Elastic Festival of Improvised
Music, i.e. yet another jazz thingy, yesterday. Probably the most
articulate description is going to be of what happened before and
after--before, I spent a happy half hour revisiting Cafiteria De
Pancho, and eating a sandwich (it was a Cuban sandwich, har har),
after which I bought a bigass bottle--though less than 40oz and
considerably more refined--and walked over to the studio slash
"space". The faint cat smell was quickly killed by some incense
thing which was not even remotely unpleasant.

The shindig was kicked off by Dave Rempis and Tim Daisy. And here
I must flatly report, since I don't know a thing about music. I
enjoyed it, but I can't say anything beyond the drumming was urgent
and the sax was rather meditative, and especially so with the gimmick
of bringing it down to a whisper and keeping the beat going with
audible clicking of the pins. I sound rather gee-whiz, but we don't
get to hear much of this at a typical "lounge". He also had a tendency
not to repeat the main line even once, leaving an amateur listener
like me wanting ... A very excellent performance!

I put my name on the Gold Members list and popped the bottle open.
Looking around, I estimated about 50 or 60 people in the place,
many of them real damn Bucktown-ish or Ukrainian Village type.
Doesn't matter--I believe if you appreciate a certain level of
jazz everything is forgiven. I think I might have seen Neil
Tesser somewhere too but all those dorks look the same to me
... I swigged a bit more and waited for the one and only Ken
Vandermark.

It was more mind-blowing than usual--and it's tiresome to keep
repeating that "Vandermark is great" etc, but I think yesterday's
was stuff newer and more dazzling than the days before--seven or
eight pieces which among other things showed off that a level of
virtuosity on the reeds has been achieved and will soon be old
hat ... that soon this huge magnitude of malleability, length,
percussive weight and harmonic complexity of a "note" will be
a baseline requirement for him. I hear this music because there
is a spookily Indian sensibility in the kind of playing with
sounds.

I laughed stupidly and slightly audibly--not so's anybody could
hear--when he said things like "this is inspired by a scene in
Antonioni's Red Desert" etc. But it was not said because "great"
jazz musicians are supposed to talk like goofballs some of the
time. Ken Vandermark will probably become a Great Jazz Man, though.
All pieces except maybe the desert wind piece were utterly beautiful.
The last "one-note" song (and I forget what Dadaist "one-word
performance" it was inspired by, so sue me) is a promise of
what's to come.

After another break, I hung round for one song by the Jason Ajemian
quartet. It was not bad at all, but I was getting thirsty, and the
second song seemed to be a much of a muchness at that point. They
are talented musicians, that's for sure, and they are probably
playing in other groups while trying to define their offerings
a little more.

After that I walked down bleak and beautiful Armitage avenue to
the station--it was surprisingly warm--then saw a train leaving
and cabbed it to the pub, where ... you know the rest. The place
was full of the residue of whatever kind of band it is that plays
on Thursdays, and it was very close to closing time, so I rather
slammed them down hard, which explains this slight headache.

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bonniev:
= >No matter how much I love animals, I don't appreciate her jumping
= >on the table or kitchencounter to sample the food items I have prepared for
= >myself. So that's the problem. Theo
=
= You need a small spray bottle filled with water.   When she jumps on the
= counter, you say NO! and gently spray water in her face.   Pretty soon you
= just have to show her the bottle and she runs.  Dogs have a sense of
= guilt.  Cats don't.  It takes a little more to make them understand that
= you don't want them to do something.
=
=
=     --bonniev

We have a new chair in the bedroom, and it is not becoming Murphy's
new bed.  Last night he was ok once we tipped him out of it early
in the evening, and he went to sleep in his bin (don't ask me why
we call it a bin, it's your basic fluff-covered-foam small animal
bed).  But I went off to work after feeding him, and Pat awoke to
find him in the new chair.  I don't really know what our water
sprayer was designed for, but it can dampen a cat a 3 meters!

So tonight when we went to bed, Murphy is crouched at the foot of
the bed, just hanging out.  This is not normal, but also no big
deal.  But within minutes of turning out the light we hear the
wood platform creaking under the weight of the 7 kilo cat.  There
sits Murph, watching intently from the new chair.  Zap.  In one
fluid motion Murphy is now halfway up the stairs staring back
into the bedroom.  He just glares, but is not coming back down.

I get up in the middle of the night to surf, and he comes down
from the living room (where he does own the chair) to sleep next
to me on his new favorite spot in the kitchen, an old polarfleece
sweatshirt of mine now doing duty as a pillow case.  This beats
the linoleum by a mile, but it means you need to ground yourself
when you pet the cat.

I figure a couple more days of spraying him will finish this
round off.

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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
>followed closely by Old Dominion, which was in the running for the Virginia
>state song.

Oh, I said that I knew one EFO song before the show. That was it.
>
>I have some EFO albums here, if you're interested in any come SnowBash.

I ordered the new live album today. It's being released this Tuesday. That
oughta do me.

Marie

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At 7:22 PM -0800 2/7/03, steph wrote:
>In my latest vanity search, I see that the arrirang.net pages are
>showing up.  The old words-l.org ones didn't used to, did they?

No, the words-l.org site had a robots.txt file asking well-behaved robots
not to index the site.  This would be my preference for the new site as
well, but nonetheless, anymore we live in a transparent society, and
perhaps we shouldn't get so used to thinking that we don't.

Ken Miller
Soon-To-Be-Ex Poobah

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>
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm home from paradise.
> >
> > Welcome back to the USA.
> >
>
> Did Doris leave the USA?
>
> alec

No, just the mainland.

         - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I had a stormdoor at the backdoor of my previous house (unrelated to an
> > animal running out -- it was right beside his doggy-door).  Storm doors
> > here don't work like the ones you describe, though.  You roll up the
> > glass when you want just the screen and roll down the glass in hot or
> > cold weather.  Just like windows.
>
> Where do they roll up to? Or is it only the bottom that's screen,
> like windows?

Yes, like windows -- the bottom half of the glass rolls up.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> <<
> What does having screendoors help?  Is it that if
> somebody knocks on your door, you can open the door and talk to the
> person with the screen door still there to prevent an animal from
> walking out?
> >>
>
> Yes, and you can leave the storm door open and the screen door
> shut and have fresh air come into the room via the screen.

I understand the reason for wanting screen doors re letting air come
in.  I was just wondering about the animal connection.

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In a message dated 02/08/2003 5:46:29 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
I understand the reason for wanting screen doors re letting air come
in.  I was just wondering about the animal connection.


>>

Yes, and the kitty can let you know that it wants in by jumping onto
the outside of the screen door.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.

Bethany

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At 08:23 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 02/08/2003 5:46:29 AM Central Standard Time,
>natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
>I understand the reason for wanting screen doors re letting air come
>in.  I was just wondering about the animal connection.
> >>
>Yes, and the kitty can let you know that it wants in by jumping onto
>the outside of the screen door.

And tearing it to shreds.

Betty

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At 08:57 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
>
>Bethany

Put some clothes on, stop whining, and be thankful you have heat.

Betty

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At 06:25 AM 2/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>At 08:57 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
>>
>>Bethany
>
>Put some clothes on, stop whining, and be thankful you have heat.

Yeah!  You don't hear Betty complaining, do you?

cwv,
where the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the new snow (3 inches or so) is
brilliant white, and it's 10 F (wind chill, -1F).

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At 09:35 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:25 AM 2/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>>At 08:57 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>>It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
>>>
>>>Bethany
>>
>>Put some clothes on, stop whining, and be thankful you have heat.
>
>Yeah!  You don't hear Betty complaining, do you?


It is 34 degrees right now. To get an idea of our fair weather, watch the
AT&T Pro Am at Pebble Beach  this afternoon with the whales and sea otters
swimming in the ocean.



>cwv,
>where the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the new snow (3 inches or so) is
>brilliant white, and it's 10 F (wind chill, -1F).


Eat your heart out.

Betty, from the correct coast

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Betty wrote:
> >It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
> >
> >Bethany
>
> Put some clothes on, stop whining, and be thankful you have heat.

How do you know that she's naked and has heat?  Cite, please.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:29:28 AM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> How do you roll a window?

> Like in your car door?

Thank you. I've never seen a door like that, but that helps.

Karen
who pushes a button

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At 06:52 AM 2/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:

>>cwv,
>>where the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the new snow (3 inches or so) is
>>brilliant white, and it's 10 F (wind chill, -1F).
>
>
>Eat your heart out.

As I contemplate going out to begin shoveling, I think how preferable these
conditions are to high 90s, high humidity, and sullen skies.

cwv

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 5:44:29 AM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I had a stormdoor at the backdoor of my previous house (unrelated to an
>> > animal running out -- it was right beside his doggy-door).  Storm doors
>> > here don't work like the ones you describe, though.  You roll up the
>> > glass when you want just the screen and roll down the glass in hot or
>> > cold weather.  Just like windows.
>>
>> Where do they roll up to? Or is it only the bottom that's screen,
>> like windows?

> Yes, like windows -- the bottom half of the glass rolls up.

How do you roll a window?

Karen

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
>


        Oh, quit bitching.  The tulips will be poking up out of the
ground in about 4 weeks and you'll be 4 weeks closer to death.



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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:23:31 AM, you wrote:
> Yes, and the kitty can let you know that it wants in by jumping onto
> the outside of the screen door.

Or in my case, knocking.  If I were a real geek, I'd make her her
own doorbell.

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:52:47 AM, you wrote:
> It is 34 degrees right now.

Clone!

Although I'm glad I'm not in my Mt View apt right now--that
heater was inadequate.

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:23:56 AM, you wrote:

> Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

>> It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
>>


>         Oh, quit bitching.  The tulips will be poking up out of the
> ground in about 4 weeks and you'll be 4 weeks closer to death.

Ooh, cheerful thought!

Karen
whose narcissus and crocus have frozen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> How do you roll a window?

Like in your car door?

alyce
>
> Karen


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At 10:21 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 06:52 AM 2/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>
>>>cwv,
>>>where the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the new snow (3 inches or so) is
>>>brilliant white, and it's 10 F (wind chill, -1F).
>>
>>
>>Eat your heart out.
>
>As I contemplate going out to begin shoveling, I think how preferable these
>conditions are to high 90s, high humidity, and sullen skies.

Thankfully, I suffer none of those in northern California. The Bay Area
weather is very suitable to me but I'm glad you are happy where you
are.  Really.  After 22 years of Montana I don't want to deal with that
kind of winter. I'm a wimp.

Betty

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>After 22 years of Montana I don't want to deal with that
>kind of winter. I'm a wimp.      --Betty

Wimp, wimp, wimp.   We have another big winter storm coming Monday night
and Tuesday.


    --bonniev

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Betty wrote:

>At 08:57 AM 2/8/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>>It's just cold here ... about 16 right now. I'm tired of it.
>>
>>Bethany
>
>Put some clothes on, stop whining, and be thankful you have heat.

O sage one - please send heat to the 200 acres of PF.

Thanks,
Bethany

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Betty wrote:

>be thankful you have heat.

But I am not allowed to express gratitude in public or on this list,
right? It might appear <religious>.

Bethany

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Betty wrote:
=
= >be thankful you have heat.
=
= But I am not allowed to express gratitude in public or on this list,
= right? It might appear <religious>.

Do you always have to be so difficult?

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:44:35 AM, you wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Betty wrote:

>>be thankful you have heat.

> But I am not allowed to express gratitude in public or on this list,
> right? It might appear <religious>.

You are an idiot, Bethany.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> How do you roll a window?

>From down to up.  I use my hands.

--
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bonniev wrote:

> Wimp, wimp, wimp.   We have another big winter storm coming Monday night
> and Tuesday.

Ugh.  I hope the weather here doesn't do bad things at that time since
I'm hosting a party for a job candidate Tuesday night.  I mainly hope it
doesn't rain Monday or Tuesday since rain will mean muddy pawprints
everywhere.

I just bought a new oak toilet seat at Wmart.  Am about to put it on.
And I bought white screwcovers but will probably have to hacksaw the
screws before putting them on.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> How do you roll a window?
>
> >>From down to up.  I use my hands.
>
> Do you push it? Or is there a rolling mechanism like a car
> window?

I pull up on the handles, and the rolling mechanism rolls inside the
frame.

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In a message dated 2/8/2003 10:25:30 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< > How do you roll a window?

>From down to up.  I use my hands.
 >>

We call it *pushing up* in these regions. Forgive me.
Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> << > How do you roll a window?
>
> >From down to up.  I use my hands.
>  >>
>
> We call it *pushing up* in these regions. Forgive me.

One doesn't need to be forgiven for living in a different dialect area.

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In a message dated 2/8/2003 8:23:03 AM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< How do you roll a window?

Karen
 >>

You beat me to it.
Theo

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Friday, February 7, 2003, 11:48:54 PM, you wrote:
> No, the words-l.org site had a robots.txt file asking well-behaved robots
> not to index the site.  This would be my preference for the new site as
> well, but nonetheless, anymore we live in a transparent society, and
> perhaps we shouldn't get so used to thinking that we don't.

It is also my preference that we not be indexed. Mem?

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > How do you roll a window?
>
> Like in your car door?

No.  My car windows behave quite differently.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 11:26:12 AM, you wrote:

> alyce cresap wrote:
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>> Karen Kay wrote:
>> >
>> > How do you roll a window?
>>
>> Like in your car door?

> No.  My car windows behave quite differently.

Then I am flummoxed.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >> Like in your car door?
>
> > No.  My car windows behave quite differently.
>
> Then I am flummoxed.

My car windows are down when they're open and up when they're closed.
Opposite of my house windows.  And to do the rolling up and down in the
car I turn a crank.

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   "Let's hope that the war doesn't last long, that Saddam and his ilk will
live in exile in Saudi Arabia and the Iraqi people don't put up much of a
fight.  For their sake.  Because anyone who thinks that we are not going
into Iraq after sending well over 100,000 troops to the region is simply
being naive."

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I pull up on the handles, and the rolling mechanism rolls inside the
> > frame.
>
> It doesn't just slide?

It slides along little roly things.  It's too cold to look carefully
right now to give a full description.  When the little roly things get
old, they sometimes don't work well, which means windows can come
crashing down and panes get cracked.  I have several like that.  I have
to use sticks to keep them open.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 11:30:19 AM, you wrote:
> I pull up on the handles, and the rolling mechanism rolls inside the
> frame.

It doesn't just slide?

Karen

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In a message dated 2/8/2003 10:33:04 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< One doesn't need to be forgiven for living in a different dialect area. >>

I am most grateful, thanks a bunch :-)
Theo

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 11:25:22 AM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> How do you roll a window?

>>From down to up.  I use my hands.

Do you push it? Or is there a rolling mechanism like a car
window?

Karen

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>How do you roll a window?
>
>Karen

You wait until it's sleeping, then go through its pockets.

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 10:25:49 -0800
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>At 06:52 AM 2/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>
>>>cwv,
>>>where the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the new snow (3 inches or so) is
>>>brilliant white, and it's 10 F (wind chill, -1F).
>>
>>
>>Eat your heart out.
>
>As I contemplate going out to begin shoveling, I think how preferable these
>conditions are to high 90s, high humidity, and sullen skies.

It's bright and crisp here today, probably in the low 60s. OTOH, the
wind that's been blowing all week has my head about ready to explode
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Do people let their kids not put on their seatbelts????

Karen

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Karen Kay:
= Do people let their kids not put on their seatbelts????
=

Why don't all adults wear seatbelts?

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Do people let their kids not put on their seatbelts????

> Why don't all adults wear seatbelts?

I don't really care about the adults, but I do think that if
there's a traffic accident, and the kids are hurt because they
aren't belted in, the parents should be prosecuted for
premeditated murder.

Karen

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I came across this site
http://www.5adaycenter.com/5aday/index.shtml when I was looking
for a recipe for baking apples in the microwave. There's a good
recipe for apples with squash cooked in the microwave, and the
more I looked around, the more I saw that I liked. (Spinach and
feta rice, for example.) I'm always looking for different things
to do with vegetables, and this site seems to have a lot of them.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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On 8 Feb 2003 at 11:25, Karen Kay wrote:

> It is also my preference that we not be indexed. Mem?

I don't care much one way or the other. I guess my paranoia quotient
is rather lower than yours. But it's about to be a moot point for me
as words-l.org is back on line.

    mem

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't really care about the adults, but I do think that if
> there's a traffic accident, and the kids are hurt because they
> aren't belted in, the parents should be prosecuted for
> premeditated murder.

Are there still some people out there who believe that seatbelts can
lead to death -- can trap you somehow?  I've heard people make that
argument, though not in many years.  (And the statistics are of course
very much against them.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 1:47:52 PM, you wrote:
> I don't care much one way or the other. I guess my paranoia quotient
> is rather lower than yours.

You have a job.

>  But it's about to be a moot point for me
> as words-l.org is back on line.

Who will be poobah then? I thought you were elected by
acclamation.

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 1:45:07 PM, you wrote:
> Are there still some people out there who believe that seatbelts can
> lead to death -- can trap you somehow?  I've heard people make that
> argument, though not in many years.  (And the statistics are of course
> very much against them.)

For people my height, they can be dangerous. I've sometimes been
driving along and not noticed the seatbelt has crept up around my
neck. I need to buy another clip to put on it so it doesn't do
that. I don't know if people still argue this, though.

Karen

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On 8 Feb 2003 at 13:48, Karen Kay wrote:

>  I thought you were elected by acclamation.

Not at all. Tushar is the new king of the realm.'

     mem

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 1:55:56 PM, you wrote:
> On 8 Feb 2003 at 13:48, Karen Kay wrote:
>>  I thought you were elected by acclamation.

> Not at all. Tushar is the new king of the realm.'


OOOOOOPS! Big faux pas!!! I even supported his candidacy, based
on <private communication>.

Hey, there is such a thing as microwave apple crisp, I am glad to
report. Yum!

Karen
Memory? What memory?

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>You are an idiot, Bethany.

LOL!

Bethany

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, steph wrote:

>Do you always have to be so difficult?

So difficult that ... ?

Bethany

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I was expecting gushing compliments on my new toilet.  But then I notice
I haven't gotten any new mail since the last time I checked.  Maybe the
compliments have been pouring in without my knowing it yet.

No time to check the archives now, though.  Lots of chores are still
ahead for this afternoon.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>One doesn't need to be forgiven for living in a different dialect area.

Words to remember!

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> For people my height, they can be dangerous. I've sometimes been
> driving along and not noticed the seatbelt has crept up around my
> neck. I need to buy another clip to put on it so it doesn't do
> that. I don't know if people still argue this, though.

I was thinking about things I heard way, way back -- before the question
of height was discussed as much as it was later.  Back when seatbelts
were new, some people claimed that wearing them might keep you from
escaping harm.

--
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No heat arrived at PF - the 200 acres were pretty cold. But the
temperature did rise above the 16 or so degrees at which the day started,
and I am profoundly grateful for that fact.

Thanks be to ...

... and thank you for reminding me to articulate my gratitude even here
occasionally ...

Bethany

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 2:51:02 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> For people my height, they can be dangerous. I've sometimes been
>> driving along and not noticed the seatbelt has crept up around my
>> neck. I need to buy another clip to put on it so it doesn't do
>> that. I don't know if people still argue this, though.

> I was thinking about things I heard way, way back -- before the question
> of height was discussed as much as it was later.  Back when seatbelts
> were new, some people claimed that wearing them might keep you from
> escaping harm.

Wearing them or not wearing them? There are problems caused by
wearing just a lap belt--I think you can bruise your liver or
something. But this is prevented by wearing a shoulder harness as
well. I think there are a few things actually prevented by not
wearing a seatbelt, but many more are preventing by wearing one.

Karen

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        Laziness.

Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay:
>>= Do people let their kids not put on their seatbelts????
>>
>
>>Why don't all adults wear seatbelts?
>>
>
> I don't really care about the adults, but I do think that if
> there's a traffic accident, and the kids are hurt because they
> aren't belted in, the parents should be prosecuted for
> premeditated murder.
>
> Karen
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?X57D63463

Note the used prices.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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>You should have looked me up.

Damn, even that "aloha spirit" thing is true.

Actually, I did look you up in the phone book, but
it kinda made me feel like a stalker (don't ask me
how my phone experience in Seattle with the Frugal
Gourmet broke bad on me), or like a "Hi, I'm Troy
McClure, you may remember me from such internet
mailing lists as WORDS-L..."

A more reasonable excuse is that we had only a
very short time on Oahu, and wanted to add to
our collection of Chinatowns we've visited, so
we got on The Bus and went to dinner.

However, I *will* be back, and I will take you
up on this offer.

--
Haole Kamehameha                      21, 24

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 4:24:49 PM, you wrote:
> Actually, I did look you up in the phone book, but
> it kinda made me feel like a stalker (don't ask me
> how my phone experience in Seattle with the Frugal
> Gourmet broke bad on me), or like a "Hi, I'm Troy
> McClure, you may remember me from such internet
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Ha! I used this line when I had reason to phone BrP's BrJim.
Nothing makes you feel more assholish. But that quickly
disappears.

Karen

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>bought a condo in the Quarter several years ago and
>spent weekends and holidays there

Well, there's the problem.  "Weekends and holidays" does
not a Quarterite make.  That whole Disneyland thing, that
da kwawttahs is some place where we residents wave at each
other while carrying our baguettes home from Matassa's is
as irritating as the reality of dogshit, muleshit, vagrants,
predators, gutter punks, and the loss of our hockey team.

Sorry, that last one just snuck in there.

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Richard                      21, 24

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> Are unix jokes ever hilariously funny?

Fine, then, how about "uproariously funny"?

>I completely forgot about your existence to the point
>that it wasn't until months later that I forgot that
>I hadn't looked you up.

'S O.K., see my message to mem, and turn it around.

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On 8 Feb 2003 at 16:24, RICHARD J. SCHEIDT wrote:

> Gourmet broke bad on me), or like a "Hi, I'm Troy
> McClure, you may remember me from such internet
> mailing lists as WORDS-L..."

I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I'm confident I would have
remembered you. If I hesitated, you could just said, "Remember me?
Earl's friend?"


> A more reasonable excuse is that we had only a
> very short time on Oahu, and wanted to add to
> our collection of Chinatowns we've visited, so
> we got on The Bus and went to dinner.

Alas, what passes for Chinatown here isn't all that impressive.


> However, I *will* be back, and I will take you
> up on this offer.

I look forward to it.


    mem

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> I was expecting gushing compliments on my new toilet.  But then I
notice
> I haven't gotten any new mail since the last time I checked.  Maybe
the
> compliments have been pouring in without my knowing it yet.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Hey, nice job.
I figure if you can afford a new throne
You must be flush.

         - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> ... and thank you for reminding me to articulate my gratitude even here
> occasionally ...

I think articulating gratitude is a good thing.  I'm grateful right now
that I don't have to live in a place that's this cold for months at a
time.  I'm grateful right now that I ended up in a job that enabled me
to make enough money to pay for heat.  I'm grateful right now that I
have known many wonderful people and dogs in my life.  I'm grateful
right now that MSU just stomped Arkansas in basketball.  My list could
go on and on, but I need to go check on whether the orange roughy is
thawed -- not at this instant -- I'm going to finish reading new mail
first -- but I shouldn't tarry too long.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I was thinking about things I heard way, way back -- before the question
> > of height was discussed as much as it was later.  Back when seatbelts
> > were new, some people claimed that wearing them might keep you from
> > escaping harm.
>
> Wearing them or not wearing them?

Wearing them.  There were some anti-seatbelt people who said that you
might be strapping yourself into disaster -- that you couldn't escape
the car as easily.

> There are problems caused by
> wearing just a lap belt--I think you can bruise your liver or
> something. But this is prevented by wearing a shoulder harness as
> well. I think there are a few things actually prevented by not
> wearing a seatbelt, but many more are preventing by wearing one.

What I'm remembering was way back before shoulder straps were added.  It
was in the very early days of seatbelts.  And I don't think these
comments people made were based on any kind of <evidence>.  These
weren't local comments -- I read them in the media about people from
various places.

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"RICHARD J. SCHEIDT" wrote:
>
> >bought a condo in the Quarter several years ago and
> >spent weekends and holidays there
>
> Well, there's the problem.  "Weekends and holidays" does
> not a Quarterite make.  That whole Disneyland thing, that

But aren't there tourists there all the time -- not just
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Doris Markland wrote:

> Hey, nice job.
> I figure if you can afford a new throne
> You must be flush.

Thank you, Doris!  I was feeling really down about the lack of
enthusiasm, especially after I bothered to take pictures to show y'all.
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>Thank you, Doris!  I was feeling really down about the lack of
>enthusiasm, especially after I bothered to take pictures to show y'all.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Some of us didn't comment because we were appalled and a little depressed
that we had nothing better to do on a Saturday morning than look at
Internet pictures of someone's toilet.

I'm wondering if Lisa made it home last night in Boston's 11 inches of
snow.  The Boston Globe, and even the Weather Channel, are celebrating the
huge storm of 1978 which paralyzed much of coastal Massachusetts with over
two feet of snow from one storm.


    --bonniev

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How would I create a brand new, clean copy of Eudora on my computer which
already has a copy of Eudora?  I want it so that I can dedicate it to
getting the Hearthside Inn's email for two weeks in March.


    --bonniev

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 6:19:51 PM, you wrote:
> How would I create a brand new, clean copy of Eudora on my computer which
> already has a copy of Eudora?  I want it so that I can dedicate it to
> getting the Hearthside Inn's email for two weeks in March.

Download another copy of the program and put it in another place
on your computer. Why can't you just amke a different account in
the same program?

Karen

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>Why can't you just amke a different account in
>the same program?      --Karen

Oh, yes.  I could do that.  I forgot about that.  I can create a new
personality.  Thanks, Karen.


    --bonniev

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> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 1:55:56 PM, you wrote:
> > On 8 Feb 2003 at 13:48, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>  I thought you were elected by acclamation.
>
> > Not at all. Tushar is the new king of the realm.'

A very good euphemism for "slumlord" ...

Hey, we need SITE MAINTAINERS. Who wants to do this?

02003-02-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> OOOOOOPS! Big faux pas!!! I even supported his candidacy, based
> on <private communication>.

You did? Let me thank you in this <public announcement>.

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02003-02-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:52:47 AM, you wrote:
> > It is 34 degrees right now.
>
> Clone!

Once again, I would like to point out that this is an
abuse of the word. Though not as great as in "we have
cloned", man, that phrase *pisses me off*

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> bonniev wrote:
>
> >> Thank you, Doris!  I was feeling really down about the lack of
> >> enthusiasm, especially after I bothered to take pictures to show
y'all.
> >>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> >
> > Some of us didn't comment because we were appalled and a little
depressed
> > that we had nothing better to do on a Saturday morning than look at
> > Internet pictures of someone's toilet.


Some of you missed the invitation to come and
play games.  My post tanked, as it were.
That's all right.  I can handle it.

             - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  I'm grateful right now that I ended up in a job that enabled me
> to make enough money to pay for heat.

To return to an earlier minor topic, the above is probably why I give
money to UT and Bonniemae doesn't.  Bonnie went to school as a hobby.  I
went as a bread-and-butter thing.  So it makes sense that I would feel
more <gratitude>.  (And I don't mean to imply that there's anything
wrong with going to school as a hobby.  I think it's an excellent
hobby.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

>> Thank you, Doris!  I was feeling really down about the lack of
>> enthusiasm, especially after I bothered to take pictures to show y'all.
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>
> Some of us didn't comment because we were appalled and a little depressed
> that we had nothing better to do on a Saturday morning than look at
> Internet pictures of someone's toilet.
>
> I'm wondering if Lisa made it home last night in Boston's 11 inches of
> snow.  The Boston Globe, and even the Weather Channel, are celebrating the
> huge storm of 1978 which paralyzed much of coastal Massachusetts with over
> two feet of snow from one storm.
>

        If I recall, it was over 3 feet.  And it came on top of
several feet of existing snow.  I remember my parents
shoveling out the driveway and the snow being over my head.
  We dug networks of tunnels all over the yard.  One of the
neighbors had an old sleigh, and we hooked up my friend's
horse and went up and down Linwood St.  Now that was a snow
storm.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> I was expecting gushing compliments on my new toilet.  But then I notice
> I haven't gotten any new mail since the last time I checked.  Maybe the
> compliments have been pouring in without my knowing it yet.

It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!

I'm glad to see you think rightly and get oak toilet seats.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-02-08 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@FLEX.COM> writes:
> On 8 Feb 2003 at 11:25, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > It is also my preference that we not be indexed. Mem?
>
> I don't care much one way or the other. I guess my paranoia quotient
> is rather lower than yours. But it's about to be a moot point for me
> as words-l.org is back on line.

I have the robots.txt from arrirang ... Though I don't understand
most of it:

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bonniev wrote:
>
> How would I create a brand new, clean copy of Eudora on my computer which
> already has a copy of Eudora?  I want it so that I can dedicate it to
> getting the Hearthside Inn's email for two weeks in March.

Couldn't you just download a new copy and name it something different --
like Eudora2?  Does Eudora not allow separate mailboxes -- like one for
you and one for the Hearthside?

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Thank you, Doris!  I was feeling really down about the lack of
> >enthusiasm, especially after I bothered to take pictures to show y'all.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Some of us didn't comment because we were appalled and a little depressed
> that we had nothing better to do on a Saturday morning than look at
> Internet pictures of someone's toilet.

Whew!  I started reading that and thought you were saying that you were
appalled and depressed by my toilet.  But you were the one who inspired
me to take the pictures -- since you were the one who responded re the
groovy bowl.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>To return to an earlier minor topic, the above is probably why I give
>money to UT and Bonniemae doesn't.  Bonnie went to school as a hobby.  I
>went as a bread-and-butter thing.  So it makes sense that I would feel
>more <gratitude>.  (And I don't mean to imply that there's anything
>wrong with going to school as a hobby.  I think it's an excellent
>hobby.)      -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That could be it.  Or it could be that I wouldn't dream of wasting my money
by giving it to the University of Tennessee, an inferior school in
everything except women's basketball.

On the other hand, I've never had "hobbies".  So I doubt I went to school
as a hobby.  I sought education, a thing-in-itself, without requiring that
there be a payoff at the end of the education.   For you, evidently, the
University of Tennessee was no more than a vocational school.


    --bonniev

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!

Thank you, AdamLH!  I knew that the compliments would start pouring in
sooner or later.

> I'm glad to see you think rightly and get oak toilet seats.

Oh yes.  I've had various other kinds but always return to oak.  I
cussed myself again today (after last night's cussing that I think I did
here) about the stupidity of letting Young Thomas haul off the old oak
seat with the old toilet.  It had lots more wear left in it.  But I
guess there is something pleasurable about a brand new toilet seat.  The
screw covers, btw, are just perching precariously on top of the too-long
screws.  No time to fool with hacksawing the screws yet.  Will do it
sometime perhaps.  Or will perhaps just let the screwcovers continue to
sit precariously.

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bonniev wrote:

> That could be it.  Or it could be that I wouldn't dream of wasting my money
> by giving it to the University of Tennessee, an inferior school in
> everything except women's basketball.

I've never been a school snob.  I don't know exactly what you're saying
that UT is inferior to.  I found it just fine.  (And I was wooed by
Harvard -- but that was undergrad, not grad.)

> On the other hand, I've never had "hobbies".  So I doubt I went to school
> as a hobby.  I sought education, a thing-in-itself, without requiring that
> there be a payoff at the end of the education.   For you, evidently, the
> University of Tennessee was no more than a vocational school.

Yes, for me at that stage in my career, UT was a vocational school.  I
thought I said earlier that I don't see that as the only reason for
going to school.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 02/08/2003 5:44:42 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Yes, like windows -- the bottom half of the glass rolls up.


>>

Except in Mogadore we had to put the screen in the top half
of the door due to the kitties pressing on the screen and tearing
it when it was in the bottom half of the door.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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On 8 Feb 2003 at 18:45, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I have the robots.txt from arrirang ... Though I don't understand most
> of it:

I don't necessarily understand that stuff either, but I think it's
just saying that Atomz can do anything it wants, but all others can
crawl through anything except the listed directories. In the present
case, that leaves all the html files and many images available.

    mem

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

>I figure if you can afford a new throne
>You must be flush.

I think that text wants to be a haiku.

Bethany

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:13:18 PM, you wrote:
> I sought education, a thing-in-itself, without requiring that
> there be a payoff at the end of the education.

Why did you seek education at such an inferior school?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:13:18 PM, you wrote:
> > I sought education, a thing-in-itself, without requiring that
> > there be a payoff at the end of the education.
>
> Why did you seek education at such an inferior school?

Because a <kept woman> doesn't have many choices?

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:34:15 PM, you wrote:
> I've had those soft ones, but I prefer oak.  I remember liking my first
> soft one the first day I had it, but then for some reason I quit liking
> it.

I don't really like them, but I have more important things to
spend my money on.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!
>
> She's the expert, after all.

?  Oh haiku?  I don't think so.  All I know is the textbook stuff about
it.

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bonniev wrote:

> Or, put another way, it was more important to me to live with the man I
> loved than to relocate for a better quality education.

Right.  That was precisely my point.  With the additional point being
that you're not really in much of a position to declare it an inferior
education.  How would you know?

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > >I figure if you can afford a new throne
> > >You must be flush.
> >
> > I think that text wants to be a haiku.
> >
> > Bethany
>
> If you roll in dough
> Spend it on an oaken throne
> Mount and reign and flush.

Will I be accused of pretending to be a haiku expert if I say that that
just won't haik it?  I just remembered something.  I was underestimating
my <knowledge> when I said earlier that all I knew about seasonal
references and haiku was textbook stuff -- like in teaching intro to
lit.  Some good friends of mine in Japan (Japanese housewives -- who, as
I've said before, have the ideal life, imho) were in haiku-writing
clubs, and I remember that one of them mentioned the importance of
seasonal references also.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > There was this couple out of work and really hungry.  I think they were
> > illegal aliens and thus couldn't get gov't help.
>
> Oh, I bet there are a lot of hungry Americans who aren't illegal
> aliens.

No doubt.  But I'm pretty sure that the way I heard the joke was that it
was illegal aliens.  I think the idea was that they didn't know English
very well and thus weren't into dialectal diversity like r-lessness.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:27:57 PM, you wrote:

>>
>> huruike ya             The old pond!
>> kawazu tobikomu        A frog jumps in.
>> mizu no oto            The sound of the water.

> heh heh I thought this was being offered as a toilet haiku.

No.

When a frog jumps in a Japanese toilet, they aren't jumping out
again...

I just had a brief flashback of my boyfriend's bathtub and one
time when we were taking a bath and ended up covered in little
green rice field frogs.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Yes, for me at that stage in my career, UT was a vocational school.  I
> thought I said earlier that I don't see that as the only reason for
> going to school.

PS to make sure that my attitude is totally clear:  I would love nothing
better than to go to school just for the pleasure of it.  That would be
an ideal life, imho.  If I come back in another life and don't have to
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Except in Mogadore we had to put the screen in the top half
> of the door due to the kitties pressing on the screen and tearing
> it when it was in the bottom half of the door.

When I had the storm door put in in my previous house, I had a
grill-type thing added over the screen to keep that from happening.  It
worked fine (re dog, not cats -- though cats did sometimes sneak into my
backyard).

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In a message dated 02/08/2003 1:58:19 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Hey, there is such a thing as microwave apple crisp, I am glad to
report. Yum!


>>

What's the brand, and where in the store can I find it?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 6:51:48 PM, you wrote:
> I'm glad to see you think rightly and get oak toilet seats.

Mine are these funky soft plastic you kind of sink into...

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
> >You must be flush.
>
> I think that text wants to be a haiku.

No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 6:51:48 PM, you wrote:
> > I'm glad to see you think rightly and get oak toilet seats.
>
> Mine are these funky soft plastic you kind of sink into...

I've had those soft ones, but I prefer oak.  I remember liking my first
soft one the first day I had it, but then for some reason I quit liking
it.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:30:27 PM, you wrote:
> In a message dated 02/08/2003 1:58:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Hey, there is such a thing as microwave apple crisp, I am glad to
> report. Yum!


>>>

> What's the brand, and where in the store can I find it?

Er, you make it. I found the recipe here:
http://www.quinnfarm.qc.ca/recipes/apple-e.html#apple_crisp

Karen

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
>> >You must be flush.
>>
>> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>
>No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.

Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!

Bethany

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:33:49 PM, you wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>>> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
>>> >You must be flush.
>>>
>>> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>>
>>No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.

> Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!

She's the expert, after all.

Karen

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T.  McNally's play Corpus Christi has been running at the lab theatre at
this <inferior> university so favored by <bonnie>. I tried to go tonight,
the last night. Alas, there are no advance ticket sales, and by the time I
arrived (shortly after 7 for an 8:00 curain), there was a line so long
that there were certain to be neither seats nor SR by the time I got to
the door.

There has been a fair amount of controversy - perhaps they will hold it
over. Meanwhile, I've ordered a library copy.

At first, I thought the title was chosen only for its Latin
significance. Eventually I realized that it was set in CC, TX - my
birthplace.

Has anyone seen a production?

Bethany

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In a message dated 02/08/2003 7:38:43 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Er, you make it. I found the recipe here:
http://www.quinnfarm.qc.ca/recipes/apple-e.html#apple_crisp


>>

Too tired to make things from scratch.  Working every day,
and the only days I take off are those in which I'm sick.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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I heard a funny joke a while back that I'm hesitant to tell except among
linguists since it might appear to be a racist joke.  But it's not.  The
same kind of joke could be told with any dialect as its punchline.  It's
a language joke.  The problem with it is that the real racism that has
existed in this country makes targeting AAVE as the particular dialect
seem racist.  But I think Wordslers are wise enough to realize that, so
I will tell it.  (I was reminded of it in Wmart today when I passed a
shelf that said something about nachos.)

There was this couple out of work and really hungry.  I think they were
illegal aliens and thus couldn't get gov't help.  The man said one day
that he was going to go outside and pray for God to send them help.  So
he went and knelt down at the bottom of a hill and started praying.
About that time an African American man was walking along the top of the
hill carrying a bag of groceries, which broke, and suddenly a big ball
of cheese went tumbling down the hill.  The praying man grabbed it with
joy and went home and presented it to his wife, who started talking
about all the great dishes she could make with that cheese.  The husband
said, "No, you have to make nachos."  She asked why, and he said, "The
man God sent it by came running down the hill after I picked it up,
saying 'Nacho cheese! Nacho cheese!"

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
> >> >You must be flush.
> >>
> >> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
> >
> >No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.
>
> Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!

Surely one of our list poets can doctor it up, adding the seasonal
reference.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>>>>>I figure if you can afford a new throne
>>>>>You must be flush.
>>>>>
>>>>I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>>>>
>>>No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.
>>>
>>Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!
>>
>
> Surely one of our list poets can doctor it up, adding the seasonal
> reference.
>
a silken oak throne

supple as a new green sprig
caresses my bum




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:00:55 PM, you wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>>
>>>>>>I figure if you can afford a new throne
>>>>>>You must be flush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>>>>>
>>>>No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.
>>>>
>>>Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!
>>>
>>
>> Surely one of our list poets can doctor it up, adding the seasonal
>> reference.
>>
> a silken oak throne

> supple as a new green sprig
> caresses my bum

They are usually more subtle than that.

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:00:55 PM, you wrote:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> "Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>>
>>>>>>I figure if you can afford a new throne
>>>>>>You must be flush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>>>>>
>>>>No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.
>>>>
>>>Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!
>>>
>>
>> Surely one of our list poets can doctor it up, adding the seasonal
>> reference.
>>
> a silken oak throne

> supple as a new green sprig
> caresses my bum

It doesn't have to be a seasonal reference, but a nature
reference. The nature references are usually seasonal, but not
always. You can satisfy this restriction by adding the word
'oak'.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> I did attend two other universities before I attended the University of
> Tennessee.  I have some basis of comparison.  Also, one need not rely on
> one's own experience in judging the quality of education offered by the
> various universities in this vast nation.  There are published rankings.

Ah so.  Published rankings.  Ayep.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:00:55 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>
>>>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>I figure if you can afford a new throne
>>>>>>>You must be flush.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>No, a haiku requires a seasonal reference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Then a seasonal reference must be added! Natalie has spoken!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Surely one of our list poets can doctor it up, adding the seasonal
>>>reference.
>>>
>>>
>>a silken oak throne
>>
>
>>supple as a new green sprig
>>caresses my bum
>>
>
> They are usually more subtle than that.


        LOL.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why did you seek education at such an inferior school?
>
>Because a <kept woman> doesn't have many choices?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Or, put another way, it was more important to me to live with the man I
loved than to relocate for a better quality education.


    --bonniev

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>that you're not really in much of a position to declare it an inferior
>education.  How would you know?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I did attend two other universities before I attended the University of
Tennessee.  I have some basis of comparison.  Also, one need not rely on
one's own experience in judging the quality of education offered by the
various universities in this vast nation.  There are published rankings.


    --bonniev

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> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
> >You must be flush.
>
> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>
> Bethany

If you roll in dough
Spend it on an oaken throne
Mount and reign and flush.

            - D. M.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:52:26 PM, you wrote:

> In a message dated 02/08/2003 7:38:43 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Er, you make it. I found the recipe here:
> http://www.quinnfarm.qc.ca/recipes/apple-e.html#apple_crisp


>>>

> Too tired to make things from scratch.  Working every day,
> and the only days I take off are those in which I'm sick.

All you have to do is chop the apples and mix the other stuff up.
I think it took as long to prepare as it did to cook. (10
minutes)

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:55:07 PM, you wrote:
> There was this couple out of work and really hungry.  I think they were
> illegal aliens and thus couldn't get gov't help.

Oh, I bet there are a lot of hungry Americans who aren't illegal
aliens.

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:50:40 PM, you wrote:

>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
>> >You must be flush.
>>
>> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>>
>> Bethany

> If you roll in dough
> Spend it on an oaken throne
> Mount and reign and flush.

If you're rewriting, the natural reference is usually in the
first line.

Karen

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>just won't haik it?  I just remembered something.  I was underestimating
>my <knowledge> when I said earlier that all I knew about seasonal
>references and haiku was textbook stuff -- like in teaching intro to
>lit.  Some good friends of mine in Japan (Japanese housewives -- who, as
>I've said before, have the ideal life, imho) were in haiku-writing
>clubs, and I remember that one of them mentioned the importance of
>seasonal references also.

See:

        http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~beck/kametaro/seasonwords.html

Bethany

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:56:06 PM, you wrote:
> See:

>         http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~beck/kametaro/seasonwords.html

I counter with two Bassho haiku:

huruike ya             The old pond!
kawazu tobikomu        A frog jumps in.
mizu no oto            The sound of the water.

and

shizukasa ya           Silence.
iwa ni shimiiru        Soaking into the rocks,
semi no koe            the voice of the cicadas.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >         http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~beck/kametaro/seasonwords.html
>
> I counter with two Bassho haiku:
>
> huruike ya             The old pond!
> kawazu tobikomu        A frog jumps in.
> mizu no oto            The sound of the water.

What are you countering exactly?  That particular haiku is a classic for
including the jumping frog as a spring reference.  (No pun intended.)

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:30:23 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> >         http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~beck/kametaro/seasonwords.html
>>
>> I counter with two Bassho haiku:
>>
>> huruike ya             The old pond!
>> kawazu tobikomu        A frog jumps in.
>> mizu no oto            The sound of the water.

> What are you countering exactly?  That particular haiku is a classic for
> including the jumping frog as a spring reference.  (No pun intended.)

Do frogs jump only in spring?!

I've seen/read it argued both ways.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > What are you countering exactly?  That particular haiku is a classic for
> > including the jumping frog as a spring reference.  (No pun intended.)
>
> Do frogs jump only in spring?!

I have no idea.  I'm only talking about what I've heard/read about haiku
frogs.  Here's an example of something I just googled for (haiki frog):

************
 In Japan, any haiku containing the word frog is
 automatically recognized as being about an experience of spring.
************
from:  http://www.worddance.com/magazine/worksheet.html


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> I have no idea.  I'm only talking about what I've heard/read about haiku
> frogs.  Here's an example of something I just googled for (haiki frog):

PS:  And I've heard that cicadas are common as the "summer word" in
haiku.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:38:34 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > What are you countering exactly?  That particular haiku is a classic for
>> > including the jumping frog as a spring reference.  (No pun intended.)
>>
>> Do frogs jump only in spring?!

> I have no idea.  I'm only talking about what I've heard/read about haiku
> frogs.  Here's an example of something I just googled for (haiki frog):

> ************
>  In Japan, any haiku containing the word frog is
>  automatically recognized as being about an experience of spring.
> ************
> from:  http://www.worddance.com/magazine/worksheet.html

I guess my teachers hadn't read that website!

Karen

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:43:07 PM, you wrote:
> PS:  And I've heard that cicadas are common as the "summer word" in
> haiku.

They are, indirectly. That's what I meant by a nature reference
rather than a direct seasonal reference.

Karen

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>
> huruike ya             The old pond!
> kawazu tobikomu        A frog jumps in.
> mizu no oto            The sound of the water.

heh heh I thought this was being offered as a toilet haiku.

Ann

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I have no idea.  I'm only talking about what I've heard/read about haiku
> > frogs.  Here's an example of something I just googled for (haiki frog):
>
> > ************
> >  In Japan, any haiku containing the word frog is
> >  automatically recognized as being about an experience of spring.
> > ************
> > from:  http://www.worddance.com/magazine/worksheet.html
>
> I guess my teachers hadn't read that website!

I guess not.  But I did hear of the frog-spring-haiku connection quite a
few years before the web existed.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:48:22 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I have no idea.  I'm only talking about what I've heard/read about haiku
>> > frogs.  Here's an example of something I just googled for (haiki frog):
>>
>> > ************
>> >  In Japan, any haiku containing the word frog is
>> >  automatically recognized as being about an experience of spring.
>> > ************
>> > from:  http://www.worddance.com/magazine/worksheet.html
>>
>> I guess my teachers hadn't read that website!

> I guess not.  But I did hear of the frog-spring-haiku connection quite a
> few years before the web existed.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > PS:  And I've heard that cicadas are common as the "summer word" in
> > haiku.
>
> They are, indirectly. That's what I meant by a nature reference
> rather than a direct seasonal reference.

? I don't think I ever said anything about a "direct" seasonal
reference.  In my limited knowledge of haiku, I had thought that frog,
e.g., was a spring reference.  But you say your teacher didn't know
that, so perhaps it's not true.  It's just in all the books.  And I had
thought that cicadas were a summer reference.  But surely you are right
and the books and my Japanese friends are wrong.
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I guess not.  But I did hear of the frog-spring-haiku connection quite a
> > few years before the web existed.
>
> Uh-huh.

If this were really an interesting enough topic to me, I could dig up
some books on the subject for you.  The frog thing is one that has stuck
in my mind from way, way back -- from when you were probably about ten
or twelve.

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 9:54:55 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > I guess not.  But I did hear of the frog-spring-haiku connection quite a
>> > few years before the web existed.
>>
>> Uh-huh.

> If this were really an interesting enough topic to me, I could dig up
> some books on the subject for you.  The frog thing is one that has stuck
> in my mind from way, way back -- from when you were probably about ten
> or twelve.

Thanks, I spent something like 10 years studying Japanese poetry.
I'm pretty well done with it.

Karen

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On 8 Feb 2003 at 21:00, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I think the idea was that they didn't know English
> very well and thus weren't into dialectal diversity like r-lessness.

So legal aliens all know English very well?


    mem

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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 10:38:09 PM, you wrote:

>>
>> >> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
>> >> >You must be flush.
>> >>
>> >> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
>> >>
>> >> Bethany
>>
>> > If you roll in dough
>> > Spend it on an oaken throne
>> > Mount and reign and flush.
>>
>> If you're rewriting, the natural reference is usually in the
>> first line.
>>
>> Karen

> Spring for something new.
> Get yourself a wooden seat,
> Go bowling on your green.

I'm done with this topic.

Karen

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>
> >> On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> >>
> >> >I figure if you can afford a new throne
> >> >You must be flush.
> >>
> >> I think that text wants to be a haiku.
> >>
> >> Bethany
>
> > If you roll in dough
> > Spend it on an oaken throne
> > Mount and reign and flush.
>
> If you're rewriting, the natural reference is usually in the
> first line.
>
> Karen

Spring for something new.
Get yourself a wooden seat,
Go bowling on your green.

             - D. M.

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:21:54 -0600
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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I think this is very interesting.

http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 07:14 PM 2/8/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!
>
>Thank you, AdamLH!  I knew that the compliments would start pouring in
>sooner or later.
.
I was disappointed that you didn't have a target painted in it.

Betty

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 21:45:18 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Car (was: Toilet)
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Took my tax refund today, traded in the Horrible Minivan, and bought
a Honda Element. Very cute. I especially like that it's all hard
surfaces inside, so when it gets too doggy or covered with Diet Rite
or whatnot I can just hose it out. And the back seats fold up into
the walls so there's a huge cargo area. And it's the first time ever
I've had a trendy cute car. *And* this dealer got me *much* better
financing than I got from the dealer that sold me the HM.

Maybe I'll post some pictures tomorrow -- after I take out the three
boxes of miscellaneous crap (!) that I moved out of the HM and stuck
in the back of the Element.

Janet

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 21:46:29 -0800
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>Saturday, February 8, 2003, 6:51:48 PM, you wrote:
>>  I'm glad to see you think rightly and get oak toilet seats.
>
>Mine are these funky soft plastic you kind of sink into...

All very well, until the plastic cracks and turns into knifelike
edges. Bad under the most ordinary of circumstances, and downright
miserable when one has been overindulging oneself backside-wise...

Janet

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:48:43 -0600
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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Saturday, February 8, 2003, 11:46:29 PM, you wrote:
> All very well, until the plastic cracks and turns into knifelike
> edges. Bad under the most ordinary of circumstances, and downright
> miserable when one has been overindulging oneself backside-wise...

These aren't original to the house, but they are old, and still
soft. If they crack, I'll replace them immediately; they are
quite hard to clean.

These are cushy; I'd think they would feel good on an
overindulged backside.

Karen

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 21:50:56 -0800
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>Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:56:06 PM, you wrote:
>>  See:
>
>>          http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~beck/kametaro/seasonwords.html
>
>I counter with two Bassho haiku:
>
>huruike ya             The old pond!
>kawazu tobikomu        A frog jumps in.
>mizu no oto            The sound of the water.
>
>and
>
>shizukasa ya           Silence.
>iwa ni shimiiru        Soaking into the rocks,
>semi no koe            the voice of the cicadas.

Did one years ago, as part of a calendar project being assembled by
the design community in Sacramento. Parameters were that it had to
include a tiger (it was the Year of the Tiger), and my month was
August:

Summer. A fly whines.
The tiger in bone-bleached grass
Pants like an old dog.

Still rather proud of it, actually.

I'm working right now on a series of short pieces, somewhere between
essays and prose poems, for the anthology. First "creative" writing
I've done in a long time, and the muscles are stiff, stiff. But I
think by the time I finish poking at it it'll be pretty good.

Janet

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From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@ncfcomm.com>
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Any of you hit by eBay scam?  I was, several
times in the past 2-3 months.  Emails notifying me
that someone has been tampering with my account,
that I would have to re-submit my credit card data,
etc. etc.  Thank heavens I suspected the mail was
fishy and didn't respond, and tonight I sat up and
researched and read that it was indeed scam spam.

But, if that is not spooky enough, I discover that it
is absolutely impossible to communicate with
eBay.  I wanted to call or email them but they
give out no phone numbers or mailing addresses
and deal with the public only through Q&A and a
webform which had no topics remotely similar
to my questions.  Nice trick if you can get away
with it.  

I understand they knew early of the scams but
did not notify customers because "they would
have to send too many emails."

             - D. M.

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 00:22:30 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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> Any of you hit by eBay scam?  I was, several
> times in the past 2-3 months.  Emails notifying me
> that someone has been tampering with my account,
> that I would have to re-submit my credit card data,
> etc. etc.  Thank heavens I suspected the mail was
> fishy and didn't respond, and tonight I sat up and
> researched and read that it was indeed scam spam.

Huh. I actually got one of those today, and just deleted it because I didn't
feel like dealing with it. Never occurred to me that it was a scam, but that
makes perfect sense.

Janet

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I'm at work here today and it feels funny to be the only one
in a <strange> office. But I need to get stuff done so I came
in today. Besides I was supposed to be back home by now <sob>
and didn't have any plans for the weekend.

I checked out the vogelmarkt yesterday. It's a nice open-air
market with surprisingly good quality fresh produce (for February).
I even saw steph's basil plant. Great variety of olive stands -
there was the Greek guy, the Moroccan guy, the Italian guy -
the Turkish guys didn't seem to have any olives yesterday.
Don't think I'll ever get over seeing fresh mango in January
and early February. It's just not right. So far I haven't seen
much evidence of anti-Americanism - there were plenty of sweaters
and shirts with the stars'n'stripes etc.

I think I'm now qualified to write a guide to solo dining in
Antwerp. Haven't picked a dud in quite a while. Belgians seem
to be rather social people and solo diners are not often seen.
I've figured out the right balance of restaurant size, number
of occupied tables, atmosphere and other intangibles that are
likely to make for good solo dining. I found a really good one
yesterday with excellent Corsendonck Pater. I got a great corner
booth and settled in there and wrote postcards and did the
crossword and whiled away a quality evening. There are red hearts
all over the city and Valentijnsmenu signs outside the bars and
restaurants. Everyone says oh we never saw this 10 years ago but
they've really taken to it now.

I'm a little worried about the weather stateside. I don't have
anyone staying at my place though a friend's been dropping in
now and then. These reports of snow and intense cold scare me
but I'm afraid to think of everything that can go wrong. I'm
trying not to dwell on it.

Back to work.

-rashmi, munching on speculaas


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>Marie,
>
>You gotta be a mommy, before you get the granny title.
>
>alec

Is it me or is this awfully insensitive. How tacky.

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clyde:

>where the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the new snow (3 inches or so) is
>brilliant white, and it's 10 F (wind chill, -1F).

I keep getting asked whether the winter here is different from
back on the East Coast. For me the the biggies are the lack of
blue and the rarity of the sun. I leave the hotel around 8 am
and mornings are chilly and gray with fog (quite different
from driving out of the garage with shades on!). The first
week I was here there was a wet wind blowing off the river
every evening and it felt really chilly. The wind seemed to be
in abeyance last week. There's a soggy feel to most of the
buildings, the cobblestones, the streets that's missing in
the States. I don't think I've seen the sun for more than a
couple hours every day and haven't seen any blue. This is harder
to tolerate than biting cold, imo.

Having said all that, I do enjoy the citiness of Antwerp.

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Janet Hardy wrote:

>Took my tax refund today, traded in the Horrible Minivan, and bought
>a Honda Element. Very cute. I especially like that it's all hard

What kind of HM did you own? Why was it horrible? I still love my
beatup minivan with 205,000+ miles on it.

Bethany

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At 10:59 AM 2/9/2003 +0000, wrote:

>I keep getting asked whether the winter here is different from
>back on the East Coast. For me the the biggies are the lack of
>blue and the rarity of the sun.

Sounds somewhat like Seattle/OP.

>Having said all that, I do enjoy the citiness of Antwerp.

As many enjoy Seattle, our SIL included.

cwv

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At 09:59 AM 2/9/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:

>I'm a little worried about the weather stateside. I don't have
>anyone staying at my place though a friend's been dropping in
>now and then. These reports of snow and intense cold scare me
>but I'm afraid to think of everything that can go wrong. I'm
>trying not to dwell on it.

I don't know how badly Delaware got hit Thurs/Fri; Boston got about 15
inches.  There is another one brewing; they are muttering "possible
significant snowfall" for downeast Maine Monday night/Tuesday morning.  The
maps on TWC last night indicated that the entire East would be involved.

Hang in there.

One thing I'm curious about---you had a corner booth and spent much of the
evening there, without them trying (however politely) to hustle you
out?  How civilized.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > I guess not.  But I did hear of the frog-spring-haiku connection quite a
> >> > few years before the web existed.
> >>
> >> Uh-huh.
>
> > If this were really an interesting enough topic to me, I could dig up
> > some books on the subject for you.  The frog thing is one that has stuck
> > in my mind from way, way back -- from when you were probably about ten
> > or twelve.
>
> Thanks, I spent something like 10 years studying Japanese poetry.
> I'm pretty well done with it.

My point about the books was about the time thing -- about your web
comment.  It was for the publication dates of the books, very much
pre-web.

I did send e-mail to a Japanese haiku-writing friend last night during
this discussion and just got this reply:

*****************
Yes, it is a must that some kind of seasonal reference 'kigo' is in
haiku.
There is another type of short poem called 'senryu' in which no seasonal
reference is required.  Senryu also consists of  5-7-5 groups of verse
which
usually contains humanity, satire or esprit.    Tomoko
*****************
> I was just talking with some friends about haiku, and we got into a
> discussion of references to seasons in Haiku.  Isn't it true that some
> kind of seasonal reference is a requirement in haiku?
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > I think the idea was that they didn't know English
> > very well and thus weren't into dialectal diversity like r-lessness.
>
> So legal aliens all know English very well?

Legal aliens could apply for gov't help.  The point was the combination
of their alienness and their illegalness, one re language, the other re
why they were starving.

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Betty wrote:
> >Thank you, AdamLH!  I knew that the compliments would start pouring in
> >sooner or later.
> .
> I was disappointed that you didn't have a target painted in it.

I wondered where you were!  I expected you to be the first to compliment
my fine toilet.  Target-painting can come later.  I have other duties
now, like cleaning up the house and getting the rest of the food and
stuff for the Tuesday-night party.

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> Took my tax refund today, traded in the Horrible Minivan, and bought
> a Honda Element. Very cute.

I've been noticing them around and noticing how cute they are.  There's
one regularly parked near where I regularly park on campus, and I've
admired it ever since I first saw it.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> These are cushy; I'd think they would feel good on an
> overindulged backside.

The main thing I remember about the first one I had was that it made a
soft whooshing sound when sat upon.

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At 07:49 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Janet Hardy wrote:
> >
> > Took my tax refund today, traded in the Horrible Minivan, and bought
> > a Honda Element. Very cute.
>
>I've been noticing them around and noticing how cute they are.  There's
>one regularly parked near where I regularly park on campus, and I've
>admired it ever since I first saw it.

Looks like a good thing for dog owners. I forgot what you traded your
hybrid in for.

Betty

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cwv:

>One thing I'm curious about---you had a corner booth and spent much of the
>evening there, without them trying (however politely) to hustle you
>out?  How civilized.

I was there from 5:30 to 7:30ish and is the custom here, had
to ask for "de rekening". The waiter left me blissfully alone
without dropping any hints that I was overstaying or asking
if I needed anything else or ... It seems to be common practice
here to not hustle customers out, no matter how crowded the establishment.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 7:51:26 AM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> These are cushy; I'd think they would feel good on an
>> overindulged backside.

> The main thing I remember about the first one I had was that it made a
> soft whooshing sound when sat upon.

Yes. I've gotten used to that; I don't hear it any more. I
thought it was a plus, the whoopie cushion effect.

Karen

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I was in the middle of a couple of transactions on eBay, and hadn't had my
coffee yet, so like an idiot provided the requested info... but it did seem
suspicious, so later that same day I called the 3 credit agencies and put a
fraud alert on my identity, and asked for a new Mastercard card number...
:-\

As Natalie would say... Merde!

'Alan



----- Original Message -----
From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
Any of you hit by eBay scam?  I was, several
times in the past 2-3 months.  Emails notifying me
that someone has been tampering with my account,
that I would have to re-submit my credit card data,
etc. etc.  Thank heavens I suspected the mail was
fishy and didn't respond, and tonight I sat up and
researched and read that it was indeed scam spam.

But, if that is not spooky enough, I discover that it
is absolutely impossible to communicate with
eBay.  I wanted to call or email them but they
give out no phone numbers or mailing addresses
and deal with the public only through Q&A and a
webform which had no topics remotely similar
to my questions.  Nice trick if you can get away
with it.

I understand they knew early of the scams but
did not notify customers because "they would
have to send too many emails."

             - D. M.

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> > Any of you hit by eBay scam?  I was, several
> > times in the past 2-3 months.  Emails notifying me
> > that someone has been tampering with my account,
> > that I would have to re-submit my credit card data,
> > etc. etc.  Thank heavens I suspected the mail was
> > fishy and didn't respond, and tonight I sat up and
> > researched and read that it was indeed scam spam.
>
> Huh. I actually got one of those today, and just deleted it because I
didn't
> feel like dealing with it. Never occurred to me that it was a scam,
but that
> makes perfect sense.
>
> Janet

It was spooky.  Some of their emails came up as
an actual page from the eBay site, duplicating their
logo and listing all the departments, etc.  It was so
real I don't remember what was my first clue that
something was off.

                - D. M.

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Any of you ever get into the Atkins diet?

While we were gone last month our friends
T & A went on this diet and each dropped
15 pounds in a month.  They say they are
enjoying their meals which consist largely
of meat and vegetables.  They are allowed
fat, and some of their recipes even call for a
cream sauce made with cream.  Starches and
sugars are avoided, and it's amazing to
discover the hidden sources of sugar.

The Suzanne Sommers approach must be
similar.

                   - D. M.

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> Don't think I'll ever get over seeing fresh mango in January
> and early February. It's just not right.

It may not be right, but it is when some of them are harvested in Mexico at
least. The roadside fruit & veg vendors here are selling them by the flat
just now.

-aht

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One clue was in the From line, the e in eBay was capitalized, like "Ebay"
I'll fwd the message i received...




----- Original Message -----
From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
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> > > Any of you hit by eBay scam?  I was, several
> > > times in the past 2-3 months.  Emails notifying me
> > > that someone has been tampering with my account,
> > > that I would have to re-submit my credit card data,
> > > etc. etc.  Thank heavens I suspected the mail was
> > > fishy and didn't respond, and tonight I sat up and
> > > researched and read that it was indeed scam spam.
> >
> > Huh. I actually got one of those today, and just deleted it because I
> didn't
> > feel like dealing with it. Never occurred to me that it was a scam,
> but that
> > makes perfect sense.
> >
> > Janet
>
> It was spooky.  Some of their emails came up as
> an actual page from the eBay site, duplicating their
> logo and listing all the departments, etc.  It was so
> real I don't remember what was my first clue that
> something was off.
>
>                 - D. M.

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Subject: Fw: Ebay Update (Urgent Please Read)
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fyi...  this is a scam email which was sent to me... I don't think you should fill out any forms it may lead you to.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ebay Updates 
To: awild@uri.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:58 AM
Subject: Ebay Update (Urgent Please Read)


Dear Ebay Member,
Recently we attempted to authorize payment from your credit card we have on file for you, but it was declined.
For security purposes, our system automatically removes credit card information from an account when there
is a problem or the card expires.
Please resubmit the credit card, and provide us with new and complete information.
To resubmit credit card information via our secure server, click the following link,
login to your account and resubmit your information: 
http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?SignIn

This is the quickest and easiest method of getting credit card information to us.
Using the secure server will ensure that the credit card will be placed on account within 24 hours.









Copyright 1995-2002 eBay Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Wild" <awild@URI.EDU>
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Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:28 AM
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> One clue was in the From line, the e in eBay was capitalized, like
"Ebay"
> I'll fwd the message i received...
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
> To: <WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: eBay scam
>
>
> > > > Any of you hit by eBay scam?  I was, several
> > > > times in the past 2-3 months.  Emails notifying me
> > > > that someone has been tampering with my account,
> > > > that I would have to re-submit my credit card data,
> > > > etc. etc.  Thank heavens I suspected the mail was
> > > > fishy and didn't respond, and tonight I sat up and
> > > > researched and read that it was indeed scam spam.
> > >
> > > Huh. I actually got one of those today, and just deleted it
because I
> > didn't
> > > feel like dealing with it. Never occurred to me that it was a
scam,
> > but that
> > > makes perfect sense.
> > >
> > > Janet
> >
> > It was spooky.  Some of their emails came up as
> > an actual page from the eBay site, duplicating their
> > logo and listing all the departments, etc.  It was so
> > real I don't remember what was my first clue that
> > something was off.
> >
> >                 - D. M.
>

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Al:
> One clue was in the From line, the e in eBay was capitalized, like
"Ebay"
> I'll fwd the message i received...


I caught that later but not at first reading.
I also checked the headers and saw one
message was     to: valued customer.
On another I saw it was addressed to
several addresses besides mine, all
similar, standard spam stuff. And the
return addresses they gave for eBay
were invalid.

               - D. M.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:28:57 AM, you wrote:
> One clue was in the From line, the e in eBay was capitalized, like "Ebay"

Oh, for me it was the lack of a hyphen that was a clear giveaway.
I think E-bay does capitalize itself sometimes, but they always
hyphenate.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:00:38 AM, you wrote:
> 1 tsp Beau Monde

What is Beau Monde? (Other than the one we live in, of course.)

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> 1/2 pt. sour cream
> 1/2 pt mayonnaise
> 1 T dry onions
> 1 tsp dill
> 1 tsp Beau Monde
>
> Mix, chill

What's Beau Monde?

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:58:05 AM, you wrote:
> While in the bathtub a little while ago, I noticed that one side of my
> new toilet seat doesn't touch the bowl rim.  It hangs in the air above
> it.  I guess that's ok.

It'll eventually break or warp. But you know that.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What is Beau Monde? (Other than the one we live in, of course.)

My goodness.  I was fully prepared for being called mutant for not
knowing what it is.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:04:25 AM, you wrote:
> It's always fun getting a new toilet seat, so I'm not really worried.

Who knew.

> But it occurred to me that playing with the screws might solve the
> problem.

Yes, it should.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:17:27 AM, you wrote:

>> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:06:30 AM, you wrote:
>> > I don't know what spicy hummus is, but I have the feeling it's not
> the
>> > kind of dip I like.  Then again, what I'm looking for is something
> that
>> > the guests will like, not necessarily what I will like.  I hate
> parties
>> > that have these reddish watery, lumpy  dips with a sort of pickly
>> > taste.  Is that the kind you're talking about?
>>
>> No. Hummus is whirled peas.
>>
>> Karen

> Sounds like baby food to me.

It kind of looks like baby food, too.

> Once you've fed whirled peas into
> little mouths and scraped them off
> little chins you fail to think of whirled
> peas in connection with a cocktail
> party.

These are whirled with tahini and garlic and other stuff. Hummus
is good food, as is baba ganouj.

Karen

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At 10:00 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > 1/2 pt. sour cream
> > 1/2 pt mayonnaise
> > 1 T dry onions
> > 1 tsp dill
> > 1 tsp Beau Monde
> >
> > Mix, chill
>
>PS: I can't remember the relationship between pints and cups.  What is
>1/2 pt in cup measurements?

Use a cup of each.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:20:52 AM, you wrote:

> At 09:58 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:00:38 AM, you wrote:
>> > 1 tsp Beau Monde
>>
>>What is Beau Monde? (Other than the one we live in, of course.)

> A seasoning.  Ingredients say salt, dextrose, onion, celery seed, and
> silicon dioxide.

Ooh, yummy!:-/

Karen

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What are your favorite dips for stuff like carrots and celery?  Do any
of you have a recipe for one that's especially good, preferably easy?

I'd been planning on making the water chestnut dip that I think is very
good but suddenly was remembering my surprise when people at my last
xmas party ate more of the old California dip (onion soup & sour cream)
that I had stuck out at the last minute since it was leftover from the
ham-cheese pinwheels.  It might have had to do with something like the
location of the two dips, of course, but they scarfed up almost all of
that dip and left a good bit of the wc dip.

If you have a suggestion, it needs to be Right Now.  I'm about to make
my grocery list and head to Wmart to buy everything.

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Betty wrote:

>  I forgot what you traded your
> hybrid in for.

Toyota Echo

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/summ/index.cfm/id/20925.htm

(Mine is goldish colored instead of the silver in the above picture.  My
Prius was that silver color.  My Echo is exactly the one Paul and Judith
were in at SnowBash.)

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This picture looks like mine:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/16703.shtml

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At 09:49 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>What are your favorite dips for stuff like carrots and celery?  Do any
>of you have a recipe for one that's especially good, preferably easy?
>
>I'd been planning on making the water chestnut dip that I think is very
>good but suddenly was remembering my surprise when people at my last
>xmas party ate more of the old California dip (onion soup & sour cream)
>that I had stuck out at the last minute since it was leftover from the
>ham-cheese pinwheels.  It might have had to do with something like the
>location of the two dips, of course, but they scarfed up almost all of
>that dip and left a good bit of the wc dip.
>
>If you have a suggestion, it needs to be Right Now.  I'm about to make
>my grocery list and head to Wmart to buy everything.

1/2 pt. sour cream
1/2 pt mayonnaise
1 T dry onions
1 tsp dill
1 tsp Beau Monde

Mix, chill

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Natalie:

>What are your favorite dips for stuff like carrots and celery?  Do any
>of you have a recipe for one that's especially good, preferably easy?

Something without sour cream or cream cheese. Those are barfy.



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Karen Kay wrote:

> > The main thing I remember about the first one I had was that it made a
> > soft whooshing sound when sat upon.
>
> Yes. I've gotten used to that; I don't hear it any more. I
> thought it was a plus, the whoopie cushion effect.

I also got to where I didn't notice it.  I was thinking about that when
writing the above, wondering whether it stopped whooshing after it was
older or whether I just stopped noticing the whoosh.  I think the
latter.

While in the bathtub a little while ago, I noticed that one side of my
new toilet seat doesn't touch the bowl rim.  It hangs in the air above
it.  I guess that's ok.

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>Natalie:

> >What are your favorite dips for stuff like carrots and celery?  Do any
> >of you have a recipe for one that's especially good, preferably easy?

>Something without sour cream or cream cheese. Those are barfy

oops. I like spicy hummus. Sorry, no recipe to hand. Store-bought
hummus is pretty good. Don't know what Walmart has - I've never been
in one.

-rashmi

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >What are your favorite dips for stuff like carrots and celery?  Do any
> >of you have a recipe for one that's especially good, preferably easy?
>
> Something without sour cream or cream cheese. Those are barfy.

You'll have to be more specific.  I don't remember ever having made a
dip without either of those ingredients (both of which I like).

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> 1/2 pt. sour cream
> 1/2 pt mayonnaise
> 1 T dry onions
> 1 tsp dill
> 1 tsp Beau Monde
>
> Mix, chill

PS: I can't remember the relationship between pints and cups.  What is
1/2 pt in cup measurements?

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:00:58 AM, you wrote:

>> 1/2 pt. sour cream
>> 1/2 pt mayonnaise
>> 1 T dry onions
>> 1 tsp dill
>> 1 tsp Beau Monde
>>
>> Mix, chill

> PS: I can't remember the relationship between pints and cups.  What is
> 1/2 pt in cup measurements?

A pint's a pound the world round.
Two cups in a pint.
Two pints in a quart.
Four quarts in a gallon.

(This was my mantra when I came back from Metric-Land.)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:58:05 AM, you wrote:
> > While in the bathtub a little while ago, I noticed that one side of my
> > new toilet seat doesn't touch the bowl rim.  It hangs in the air above
> > it.  I guess that's ok.
>
> It'll eventually break or warp. But you know that.

It's always fun getting a new toilet seat, so I'm not really worried.
But it occurred to me that playing with the screws might solve the
problem.  Not right now, though.  I need to think about dips.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> oops. I like spicy hummus. Sorry, no recipe to hand. Store-bought
> hummus is pretty good. Don't know what Walmart has - I've never been
> in one.

I don't know what spicy hummus is, but I have the feeling it's not the
kind of dip I like.  Then again, what I'm looking for is something that
the guests will like, not necessarily what I will like.  I hate parties
that have these reddish watery, lumpy  dips with a sort of pickly
taste.  Is that the kind you're talking about?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Two cups in a pint.

Thank you.  If I find out what Beau Monde is and do this recipe, I will
write it down as 1 cup instead of 1/2 pint.  And I will use my nice red
1-cup cup for it.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:06:30 AM, you wrote:
> I don't know what spicy hummus is, but I have the feeling it's not the
> kind of dip I like.  Then again, what I'm looking for is something that
> the guests will like, not necessarily what I will like.  I hate parties
> that have these reddish watery, lumpy  dips with a sort of pickly
> taste.  Is that the kind you're talking about?

No. Hummus is whirled peas.

Karen

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Found it:

http://www.cookperfect.com/ob_beaumonde.htm

Whether I'll find it in a store is a whole nother thing, of course.

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http://www.cookperfect.com/ob_beaumonde.htm

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:06:30 AM, you wrote:
> > I don't know what spicy hummus is, but I have the feeling it's not
the
> > kind of dip I like.  Then again, what I'm looking for is something
that
> > the guests will like, not necessarily what I will like.  I hate
parties
> > that have these reddish watery, lumpy  dips with a sort of pickly
> > taste.  Is that the kind you're talking about?
>
> No. Hummus is whirled peas.
>
> Karen

Sounds like baby food to me.
Once you've fed whirled peas into
little mouths and scraped them off
little chins you fail to think of whirled
peas in connection with a cocktail
party.

                - D. M.

       - D. M.

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At 09:58 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:00:38 AM, you wrote:
> > 1 tsp Beau Monde
>
>What is Beau Monde? (Other than the one we live in, of course.)

A seasoning.  Ingredients say salt, dextrose, onion, celery seed, and
silicon dioxide.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > No. Hummus is whirled peas.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Sounds like baby food to me.
> Once you've fed whirled peas into
> little mouths and scraped them off
> little chins you fail to think of whirled
> peas in connection with a cocktail
> party.

In exploring it on the web I've found two strikes against it:  (1) all
the recipes I've seen call for something I've never heard of (tahini) --
which is ok if Wmart happens to have tahini -- I've never looked for it
since I've never heard of it before -- but I don't remember ever seeing
any, and (2) you have to use a blender or a food processor.  I once had
a food processor that I think I gave to the Salvation Army a long time
ago.  I'm pretty sure I have at least parts of a blender but am not
inspired at the thought of climbing up to the kitchen closet top to look
for it, dragging it out and washing it, etc. etc.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:17:43 AM, you wrote:
> In exploring it on the web I've found two strikes against it:  (1) all
> the recipes I've seen call for something I've never heard of (tahini) --
> which is ok if Wmart happens to have tahini -- I've never looked for it
> since I've never heard of it before -- but I don't remember ever seeing
> any, and (2) you have to use a blender or a food processor.  I once had
> a food processor that I think I gave to the Salvation Army a long time
> ago.  I'm pretty sure I have at least parts of a blender but am not
> inspired at the thought of climbing up to the kitchen closet top to look
> for it, dragging it out and washing it, etc. etc.

Most people buy premade hummus.

Karen

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> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:28:57 AM, you wrote:
> > One clue was in the From line, the e in eBay was capitalized, like
"Ebay"
>
> Oh, for me it was the lack of a hyphen that was a clear giveaway.
> I think E-bay does capitalize itself sometimes, but they always
> hyphenate.
>
> Karen

Au contrare, you erudite Austinite.

Or were you being facetious?

                - D. M.

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At 10:12 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>http://www.cookperfect.com/ob_beaumonde.htm
>
>Karen
>A well-rounded little rabbit


You and Natalie are such clones today.  Well rounded little rabbits!

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:


>
>>Once you've fed whirled peas into
>>little mouths and scraped them off
>>little chins you fail to think of whirled
>>peas in connection with a cocktail
>>party.
>>
>
> These are whirled with tahini and garlic and other stuff. Hummus
> is good food, as is baba ganouj.


        Whirled peas is a poor description of hummus.  It does not
remind me of baby food, which I have wiped off a little chin.


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At 10:08 AM 2/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Two cups in a pint.
>
>Thank you.  If I find out what Beau Monde is and do this recipe, I will
>write it down as 1 cup instead of 1/2 pint.  And I will use my nice red
>1-cup cup for it.

Look in the spice section.  They are sometimes in alpha order.

Betty

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>I don't know what spicy hummus is, but I have the feeling it's not the
>kind of dip I like.  Then again, what I'm looking for is something that
>the guests will like, not necessarily what I will like.  I hate parties
>that have these reddish watery, lumpy  dips with a sort of pickly
>taste.  Is that the kind you're talking about?

Nah. I don't recognize this.

I have an exaggerated aversion to white, creamy, saucy food
- German salad dressing, sour cream dips, cream cheese,
alfredo, kwark - all fit the bill. They make me <shudder>.

I'm outta here. Thanks for keeping me company Sunday afternoon.

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Packet of Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing (not the dip mix) and a pint of
sour cream.

-a

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> What's Beau Monde?

Herb mix found in the spice section.

-a

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abht:

> > Don't think I'll ever get over seeing fresh mango in January
> > and early February. It's just not right.

>It may not be right, but it is when some of them are harvested in Mexico at
>least. The roadside fruit & veg vendors here are selling them by the flat
>just now.

It's my <old-fart>ness showing. Used to be that late Feb was
the earliest that ripe (as in tree-ripened) mango was available.

Not all the citrus here is from Spain as I'd assumed. I've
seen Florida oranges, haven't seen any Texas grapefruit.

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Natalie Maynor:
= Karen Kay wrote:
=
= > Two cups in a pint.
=
= Thank you.  If I find out what Beau Monde is and do this recipe, I will
= write it down as 1 cup instead of 1/2 pint.  And I will use my nice red
= 1-cup cup for it.
=

Beau Monde is also the seasoning that makes 'that spinach dip'
taste like that spinach dip.  It can be easily replaced with
celery salt.

Tahini is sesame paste.  Hummus has been around a lot longer than
electric time-saving kitchen devices.  I'm a hummus purist.  I
make it from scratch, from dried beans.  But I do use my
Cuisinart.

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> I was expecting gushing compliments on my new toilet.  But then I notice
> I haven't gotten any new mail since the last time I checked.  Maybe the
> compliments have been pouring in without my knowing it yet.
>
> No time to check the archives now, though.  Lots of chores are still
> ahead for this afternoon.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Don't give a shit about your toilet. Sorry.


alec

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Karen Kay:
= I think this is very interesting.
=
= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
=
I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
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> On 7 Feb 2003 at 19:39, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Yes.  The real USA, as we've discussed before.  The flag still has 48
> > stars to many of us old-timers.
>
> Pardon my bluntness, but this is idiotic in the extreme.
>
>    mem
>

YES, that is why I made a comment. We are 50 proud states.


alec

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Car (was: Toilet)
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>On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>Took my tax refund today, traded in the Horrible Minivan, and bought
>>a Honda Element. Very cute. I especially like that it's all hard
>
>What kind of HM did you own? Why was it horrible? I still love my
>beatup minivan with 205,000+ miles on it.

A '99 Mercury Villager. Besides being much too large for the
environments in which I drive -- I've had so many bumps and
fender-benders in it that it looks like it's been through a spin
cycle -- it has something funky in the electrical system that causes
the windshield wipers (and, one startling time, the radio) to turn on
and off without warning. I bought it last year when I let the lease
on my previous car run right up until the last minute because I was
busy having a nervous breakdown, so I didn't take the time to shop
around for something I really wanted, and that was a big mistake --
the financing I got was also terrible; the Honda guys say they'll be
able to get financing for about half the APR that I was paying.

So: goodbye HM, hello Element. I'll have to figure out what to name
it -- I hated the HM so much I never even gave it a name. I'm also
going to get it a vanity plate and a leather pride strip for the back
bumper, both things I haven't done for years because I haven't had
cars I liked enough to dress up.

Janet

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>  Took my tax refund today, traded in the Horrible Minivan, and bought
>>  a Honda Element. Very cute.
>
>I've been noticing them around and noticing how cute they are.  There's
>one regularly parked near where I regularly park on campus, and I've
>admired it ever since I first saw it.

Apparently Honda's planning a hybrid version for 2005. I think I'll
probably drive this one for a couple of years, and if I still like
it, consider trading it for the hybrid then.

Janet
about to sign off for a sec so I can see if
I can develop a different personality so that
you folks don't have to look at my .sig for post after post

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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No signature, right?

J

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:14:31 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Atkins Diet
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>Any of you ever get into the Atkins diet?
>
>While we were gone last month our friends
>T & A went on this diet and each dropped
>15 pounds in a month.  They say they are
>enjoying their meals which consist largely
>of meat and vegetables.  They are allowed
>fat, and some of their recipes even call for a
>cream sauce made with cream.  Starches and
>sugars are avoided, and it's amazing to
>discover the hidden sources of sugar.

I've done similar diets a few times in the past (I mostly have used
the book "Protein Power" as a guideline). They actually work quite
well -- I especially liked that I seemed to lose weight evenly all
over, instead of losing it first from my face and breasts the way it
usually happens on a low-cal diet. However, I've seen a couple of
women my age go down with serious gall bladder problems after being
on it for a while. I also found, when Miles was in the hospital, that
it was practically impossible to maintain under unusual conditions --
you pretty much have to have complete control over your eating
environment to keep it up.

That said, I've been thinking about doing it again for just a couple
of weeks. I've gotten into some very bad carb-addict habits -- one of
the antidepressants I was on for a while made me crave carbs
absurdly, and although I'm not on it any more, I reverted to some
habits I thought I'd dropped several years ago -- and I'm hoping that
a few weeks of high-protein low-carb will break the cycle.

Janet

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> >Marie,
> >
> >You gotta be a mommy, before you get the granny title.
> >
> >alec
>
> Is it me or is this awfully insensitive. How tacky.
>
> -rashmi
>
I admit it might be insensitive if I was privy to Marie and Bruce's life. I
am not privy, so I was making a joke.Following a progression.  If she is
having trouble having kids, I am sorry. There are worse things.

alec

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>  >Natalie:
>
>>  >What are your favorite dips for stuff like carrots and celery?  Do any
>>  >of you have a recipe for one that's especially good, preferably easy?
>
>>Something without sour cream or cream cheese. Those are barfy
>
>oops. I like spicy hummus. Sorry, no recipe to hand. Store-bought
>hummus is pretty good. Don't know what Walmart has - I've never been
>in one.

There's an artichoke one you can buy in Safeway that's the best dip I
know -- I can book through a carton of it in a day or two. It's
particularly wonderful with bell pepper strips.

Also, if you have a local source, Greek taramosalata is good with all
vegetables and especially good with asparagus.

Janet

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>Karen Kay:
>= I think this is very interesting.
>=
>= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
>=
>I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".

Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Most people buy premade hummus.

Oh good.  I've never served a pre-made dip before and thought maybe I
was doing a tacky thing.  But it really does taste good.

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Ok, so on my grocery list I made two special boxes, one with the Betty
dip ingredients and another for the water chesnut dip ingredients.
(These two boxes were at the bottom -- all the other stuff was in a list
above them.)  The plan was to hunt for Beau Monde and to do the BB dip
if I found it.  Alas, I had to fall back on the fallback of the wc dip
since there was no BM to be found.

But I'm going to have two dippish offerings.  I found pre-made hummus,
bought it, tasted it a few minutes ago, and liked it.  (I've had it
somewhere before.  I've also heard of hummus for years, btw.  Just
didn't remember how/where and had never investigated it.)  I'm happy
with the prefabricated Wmart hummus.  (The brand is something like
Athena.)  I even found some decent cheeses at Wmart, so I can cross off
my list of chores for tomorrow the going to the MSU cheese shop.  I have
now completed all the shopping except for the wine, which I'll get
tomorrow.

Oh -- I know what the watery red stuff is that I hate.  I saw some of it
at Wmart.  It's salsa.  I thought maybe that's what it was -- another
name I've known for years but had never tried to put with its face.  I
find it quite repulsive.
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Betty wrote:

> >Thank you.  If I find out what Beau Monde is and do this recipe, I will
> >write it down as 1 cup instead of 1/2 pint.  And I will use my nice red
> >1-cup cup for it.
>
> Look in the spice section.  They are sometimes in alpha order.

I looked all over the spice section.  Twasn't there.

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> Packet of Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing (not the dip mix) and a pint of
> sour cream.

This reminds me of a dip I made years ago that was pretty good -- Green
Goddess salad dressing with sour cream.

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>
>
> That said, I've been thinking about doing it again for just a couple
> of weeks. I've gotten into some very bad carb-addict habits -- one of
> the antidepressants I was on for a while made me crave carbs
> absurdly, and although I'm not on it any more, I reverted to some
> habits I thought I'd dropped several years ago -- and I'm hoping that
> a few weeks of high-protein low-carb will break the cycle.
>
> Janet

I've found in a couple of books one key to
spot if you're a carb addict . .
If you get hungry late in the morning after
eating a big breakfast, whereas if you don't
eat breakfast you don't get hungry later.

This is certainly true for me, but it
seems strange.

                   - D. M.

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>  > That said, I've been thinking about doing it again for just a couple
>>  of weeks. I've gotten into some very bad carb-addict habits -- one of
>>  the antidepressants I was on for a while made me crave carbs
>>  absurdly, and although I'm not on it any more, I reverted to some
>>  habits I thought I'd dropped several years ago -- and I'm hoping that
>>  a few weeks of high-protein low-carb will break the cycle.
>>
>>  Janet
>
>I've found in a couple of books one key to
>spot if you're a carb addict . .
>If you get hungry late in the morning after
>eating a big breakfast, whereas if you don't
>eat breakfast you don't get hungry later.
>
>This is certainly true for me, but it
>seems strange.

True for me too, although if I eat a breakfast with a lot of protein
and little or no sugar it doesn't happen.

I also suspect, but don't know for sure, that carb addicts tend not
to be hungry when we first wake up in the morning, and to prefer to
postpone breakfast for a couple of hours.

Janet

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> I also suspect, but don't know for sure, that carb addicts tend not
> to be hungry when we first wake up in the morning, and to prefer to
> postpone breakfast for a couple of hours.
>
> Janet

That is true for me also.

          - D. M.

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Janet Hardy wrote:

>>What kind of HM did you own? Why was it horrible? I still love my
>>beatup minivan with 205,000+ miles on it.
>
>A '99 Mercury Villager. Besides being much too large for the
>environments in which I drive -- I've had so many bumps and
>fender-benders in it that it looks like it's been through a spin
>cycle -- it has something funky in the electrical system that causes
>the windshield wipers (and, one startling time, the radio) to turn on
>and off without warning. I bought it last year when I let the lease
>on my previous car run right up until the last minute because I was

Glad you're rid of it!

Bethany

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Janet Hardy wrote:

>No signature, right?
>
>J

Only J

Bethany

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Janet Hardy:
= >Karen Kay:
= >= I think this is very interesting.
= >=
= >= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
= >=
= >I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".
=
= Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
= funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?
=
= Janet

Well, that was why I liked it, but I'm also warped.

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I think I forgot to say thank you for the hummus suggestion, which I'm
quite pleased with.  And thank you also for trying, BB.  It was Wmart's
fault that your suggestion wouldn't work.  And thank the others of you
for your <input>.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:44:10 AM, you wrote:
> I have an exaggerated aversion to white, creamy, saucy food
> - German salad dressing, sour cream dips, cream cheese,
> alfredo, kwark - all fit the bill. They make me <shudder>.

But creamy feta salad dressing rules.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:23:58 AM, you wrote:

>> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:28:57 AM, you wrote:
>> > One clue was in the From line, the e in eBay was capitalized, like
> "Ebay"
>>
>> Oh, for me it was the lack of a hyphen that was a clear giveaway.
>> I think E-bay does capitalize itself sometimes, but they always
>> hyphenate.
>>
>> Karen

> Au contrare, you erudite Austinite.

> Or were you being facetious?

No, you're right. Maybe it was the Ebay instead of eBay I was
thinking of--they definitely separate the two words. Whatever,
the spammers don't seem to be able to spell it right.

Which is actually pretty silly, because it's only 4 fucking
letters.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:29:11 AM, you wrote:
>         Whirled peas is a poor description of hummus.

But I liked it! Pray for whirled peas.

>  It does not
> remind me of baby food, which I have wiped off a little chin.

I've wiped baby food off 5 little chins, and I will say that
hummus is often thicker than most babyfood. But it does remind me
of it.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 11:17:50 AM, you wrote:
> Beau Monde is also the seasoning that makes 'that spinach dip'
> taste like that spinach dip.  It can be easily replaced with
> celery salt.

Hm. I made it and it tasted fine, but I didn't use celery salt.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 11:24:09 AM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = I think this is very interesting.
> =
> = http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
> =
> I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".

I liked lots of them.

Are you going to share your hummus recipe, you purist?

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:14:31 PM, you wrote:
> I also found, when Miles was in the hospital, that
> it was practically impossible to maintain under unusual conditions --
> you pretty much have to have complete control over your eating
> environment to keep it up.

Don't you think this is true of any diet?

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:18:59 PM, you wrote:
> Oh -- I know what the watery red stuff is that I hate.  I saw some of it
> at Wmart.  It's salsa.  I thought maybe that's what it was -- another
> name I've known for years but had never tried to put with its face.  I
> find it quite repulsive.

I hate American Mexican food, including salsa, but I like pico de
gallo.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:19:37 PM, you wrote:
> Oh good.  I've never served a pre-made dip before and thought maybe I
> was doing a tacky thing.  But it really does taste good.

No one will know if you put it in a bowl.

I did a stupid thing. I went to the store and then tripped in the
parking lot and broke the food I bought. Blah. I hit the ground hard
enough to cause my lego watch to fly apart.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:21:51 PM, you wrote:
>>Karen Kay:
>>= I think this is very interesting.
>>=
>>= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
>>=
>>I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".

> Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
> funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?

Yes, it is belly-laugh funny.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:34:45 PM, you wrote:
> I also suspect, but don't know for sure, that carb addicts tend not
> to be hungry when we first wake up in the morning, and to prefer to
> postpone breakfast for a couple of hours.

Not me, man.

Karen

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>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:14:31 PM, you wrote:
>>  I also found, when Miles was in the hospital, that
>>  it was practically impossible to maintain under unusual conditions --
>>  you pretty much have to have complete control over your eating
>  > environment to keep it up.
>
>Don't you think this is true of any diet?

Not to the same degree. On Weight Watchers, you can balance eating
bad hospital food by eating very low-points food the rest of the time
-- so if you have cereal and skim milk for breakfast and a salad with
a little chicken in it for dinner, it doesn't matter if you've had a
plate of starchy gooey glop and a candy bar for the rest of the day.
But since the high-protein diets are dependent on ketosis to work,
any variation from the diet can set you back several days.

Janet

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>
> > Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
> > funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?

I don't know.  Were they shaven?

           - D. M.

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Two days ago, it snowed. Yesterday, it wasn't even 40 degrees all
day. Today, it's going to be in the 70's.

Next week, we'll probably have tornados...

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 12:34:45 PM, you wrote:
>>  I also suspect, but don't know for sure, that carb addicts tend not
>>  to be hungry when we first wake up in the morning, and to prefer to
>  > postpone breakfast for a couple of hours.
>
>Not me, man.

Lucky. It's easier now that I'm working at home, but for a long time
it was a choice between eating something when I really wasn't hungry
and it didn't feel good to eat, or going hungry until lunchtime (and
I usually take a late lunch).

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Oh good.  I've never served a pre-made dip before and thought maybe I
> > was doing a tacky thing.  But it really does taste good.
>
> No one will know if you put it in a bowl.

Except those who see me de-containering it and putting it in the bowl.
Maybe I can do that before anybody arrives.  This party is going to be
easier to give than the ones of the past.  The party always immediately
follows the job candidate's presentation to the faculty.  Because of my
retired status, I don't plan to go to that presentation (at least not
for the lit candidates -- probably I will for the linguists).  This
means that instead of racing home from the meeting, hoping to arrive
first at my party, I can be here leisurelily decontainering hummus.

> I did a stupid thing. I went to the store and then tripped in the
> parking lot and broke the food I bought. Blah. I hit the ground hard

At first I was horrified, reading "foot" instead of "food."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 2:28:03 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> No one will know if you put it in a bowl.

> Except those who see me de-containering it and putting it in the bowl.

Why does anyone have to see this??? Also, put some garnish on it.
A slice of red/yellow pepper, mint or parsley or cilantro. Put
some leaf lettuce in the bowl before you put the hummus in it.

> Maybe I can do that before anybody arrives.

Uh, yeah.

>> I did a stupid thing. I went to the store and then tripped in the
>> parking lot and broke the food I bought. Blah. I hit the ground hard

> At first I was horrified, reading "foot" instead of "food."

Well, breaking my food my pretty horrifying, since that's $6 I'll
never see again.

I've never bought a foot, though.

Karen

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If I use my travel card from UC Berkeley would that give me corporate
rates? What ID do they usually ask for at hotels?

Betty

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At 10:21 AM 2/9/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>Karen Kay:
>>= I think this is very interesting.
>>=
>>= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
>>=
>>I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".
>
>Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
>funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?

I love it!

Betty

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:36:57 PM, you wrote:
> If I use my travel card from UC Berkeley would that give me corporate
> rates? What ID do they usually ask for at hotels?

I bet it varies from hotel to hotel and that you have to ask.

Ever helpful,
Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:37:47 PM, you wrote:

> At 10:21 AM 2/9/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>>Karen Kay:
>>>= I think this is very interesting.
>>>=
>>>= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
>>>=
>>>I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".
>>
>>Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
>>funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?

> I love it!

But you're warped. That's why we call you Bad Betty, isn't it?

Karen

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At 03:35 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:37:47 PM, you wrote:
>
> > At 10:21 AM 2/9/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> >>>Karen Kay:
> >>>= I think this is very interesting.
> >>>=
> >>>= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
> >>>=
> >>>I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".
> >>
> >>Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
> >>funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?
>
> > I love it!
>
>But you're warped. That's why we call you Bad Betty, isn't it?

I can't remember.  Are you okay after your fall? You may be more sore tomorrow.

Betty, eating fresh strawberries with chocolate

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 4:10:08 PM, you wrote:
> At 03:35 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>But you're warped. That's why we call you Bad Betty, isn't it?

> I can't remember.

:)

>   Are you okay after your fall? You may be more sore tomorrow.

I mostly had the air knocked out of me. I'm a little scraped, but
that's all. Except for the lost food.:(

> Betty, eating fresh strawberries with chocolate

My strawberries are forming as we speak. I went out to check on
them a little while ago. (And to plant brussels sprouts.)

Karen

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:34:29 -0600
From: Karen Kay <Karen@WordWrite.com>
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They found errors in each other's work.

or

They found errors in each others' work.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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At 03:02 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

>Well, breaking my food my pretty horrifying, since that's $6 I'll
>never see again.
>
>I've never bought a foot, though.

Me, neither---but it cost me about $5K to get one repaired.

cwv

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Betty wrote:

>If I use my travel card from UC Berkeley would that give me corporate
>rates? What ID do they usually ask for at hotels?

What is a travel card? Is it different from a credit card? Most hotels
want to see a credit card, I think. But I use all my memberships (ABA,
etc.) when asking for special rates.

Bethany

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 4:22:04 PM, you wrote:
> At 03:02 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>>I've never bought a foot, though.

> Me, neither---but it cost me about $5K to get one repaired.

Gee, for that much, you'd think they'd've put in a new part!

Karen

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At 05:22 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:02 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>
>>Well, breaking my food my pretty horrifying, since that's $6 I'll
>>never see again.
>>
>>I've never bought a foot, though.
>
>Me, neither---but it cost me about $5K to get one repaired.

Wow.  And that was just a toe, right?

Betty

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At 05:57 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> >If I use my travel card from UC Berkeley would that give me corporate
> >rates? What ID do they usually ask for at hotels?
>
>What is a travel card? Is it different from a credit card? Most hotels
>want to see a credit card, I think. But I use all my memberships (ABA,
>etc.) when asking for special rates.

It is a credit card and has UC Berkeley on it. I don't know why I called it
a travel card. I only use it when I travel.

Betty

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At 05:09 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 4:22:04 PM, you wrote:
> > At 03:02 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
> >>I've never bought a foot, though.
>
> > Me, neither---but it cost me about $5K to get one repaired.
>
>Gee, for that much, you'd think they'd've put in a new part!

Well, that was (and still is) an option.

cwv

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At 03:19 PM 2/9/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>>Me, neither---but it cost me about $5K to get one repaired.
>
>Wow.  And that was just a toe, right?

Well, a bit more than that.  He opened the joint at the base of the great
toe, chiseled off two opposing, fairly large bone spurs, cleaned the
accumulated debris from the joint, and drilled both joint surfaces to
promote cartilege growth.  By the time one added in the pre-surgery
physical, EKG, anaesthesiologist, renting the surgery hall, renting the
recovery space, etc., it came to about 5K.

I'm still no threat for the Olympic 400-m hurdles, but I now can walk all
day and not suffer then nor afterwards.

cwv

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 5:43:22 PM, you wrote:
> I'm still no threat for the Olympic 400-m hurdles, but I now can walk all
> day and not suffer then nor afterwards.

This is very nice.

Karen

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At 06:43 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:19 PM 2/9/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>>>Me, neither---but it cost me about $5K to get one repaired.
>>
>>Wow.  And that was just a toe, right?
>
>Well, a bit more than that.  He opened the joint at the base of the great
>toe, chiseled off two opposing, fairly large bone spurs, cleaned the
>accumulated debris from the joint, and drilled both joint surfaces to
>promote cartilege growth.  By the time one added in the pre-surgery
>physical, EKG, anaesthesiologist, renting the surgery hall, renting the
>recovery space, etc., it came to about 5K.


None of that sounds like fun. You'll be ready to lead us up the mountain in
July?

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Except those who see me de-containering it and putting it in the bowl.
>
> Why does anyone have to see this???

Because people always hang out in the kitchen.  I bet that's not how it
works at the fancy parties my RRB&SIL give.  But it happens at my
parties and those of most of my colleagues.

> Also, put some garnish on it.
> A slice of red/yellow pepper, mint or parsley or cilantro. Put
> some leaf lettuce in the bowl before you put the hummus in it.

That's too complicated.  Besides, I tend to tell all.  If somebody
compliments the hummus, I will tell them where to find it at Wmart.

> > At first I was horrified, reading "foot" instead of "food."
>
> Well, breaking my food my pretty horrifying, since that's $6 I'll
> never see again.
>
> I've never bought a foot, though.

It was when I got to the bought part that I started wondering.  Since
you had mentioned foot problems a while back, I thought maybe you had
bought a new foot.  But then I looked back and saw that it was food, not
foot.  What kind of food did you break?  Most of my food tends to be
unbreakable, although I do sometimes have breakable food.  And I still
remember the time about thirty years ago when I dropped a liquor-store
bag and watched the contents turn into a rivulet down the driveway.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:36:57 PM, you wrote:
> > If I use my travel card from UC Berkeley would that give me corporate
> > rates? What ID do they usually ask for at hotels?
>
> I bet it varies from hotel to hotel and that you have to ask.

As usual, Karen's replies are ahead of the originals.  But I bet the
"you" here is BB, given the Berkeley reference.  I don't know what a
travel card is and don't know anything about corporate rates since I've
never been part of the corporate world, but lots of hotels/motels give
gov't employees rates.  I didn't catch on to inquire for many, many
years since I foolishly assumed that meant federal gov't.  It doesn't --
or at least not in the hotels I've used it in.  Working at MSU, a
state-funded university, gives me "government rates" at hotels in all
kinds of places.  Sometimes they ask to see my MSU ID card.  Usually
they don't.  (And our ID cards are pretty ridiculous in that they don't
show any dates at all.  I could have left here years ago and be a beach
bum in Aruba or something and could still flash the old card -- but
wouldn't since I really am pretty honest about such matters.)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> They found errors in each other's work.
>
> or
>
> They found errors in each others' work.

The former.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:00:23 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Except those who see me de-containering it and putting it in the bowl.
>>
>> Why does anyone have to see this???

> Because people always hang out in the kitchen.  I bet that's not how it
> works at the fancy parties my RRB&SIL give.  But it happens at my
> parties and those of most of my colleagues.

Well, I don't really host 'parties', but I do try to do some
things in advance. In fact, I like most of my food at room
temperature--I think there's more taste to it. So I'd leave it
out. In a bowl.

>> Also, put some garnish on it.
>> A slice of red/yellow pepper, mint or parsley or cilantro. Put
>> some leaf lettuce in the bowl before you put the hummus in it.

> That's too complicated.  Besides, I tend to tell all.  If somebody
> compliments the hummus, I will tell them where to find it at Wmart.

Telling them where to buy it doesn't preclude making it
attractive.

> It was when I got to the bought part that I started wondering.  Since
> you had mentioned foot problems a while back, I thought maybe you had
> bought a new foot.

I can't afford a new foot; remember, I'm outside our fabulous US
healthcare system.

>   But then I looked back and saw that it was food, not
> foot.  What kind of food did you break?

Mint chutney and garlic-stuffed olives.

> And I still
> remember the time about thirty years ago when I dropped a liquor-store
> bag and watched the contents turn into a rivulet down the driveway.

Argh. Alcohol is expensive.

Karen

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> What is a travel card? Is it different from a credit card? Most hotels
> want to see a credit card, I think. But I use all my memberships (ABA,
> etc.) when asking for special rates.

When I said earlier that hotels don't usually want to see any card, I
was talking about membership cards or IDs of the kind to get you the
whatever rate.  They of course want to see credit cards since they want
you to pay.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:07:58 PM, you wrote:
> Now I see Betty's original.  I've noticed that most hotels don't ask for
> any ID at all for gov't rate or AARP rate.  They just <believe>.

I think they must go by wrinkles for the AARP rate.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:10:40 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> They found errors in each other's work.
>>
>> or
>>
>> They found errors in each others' work.

> The former.

Thank you.

Karen

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>They found errors in each other's work.

This one.

Janet

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Betty wrote:
>
> If I use my travel card from UC Berkeley would that give me corporate
> rates? What ID do they usually ask for at hotels?

Now I see Betty's original.  I've noticed that most hotels don't ask for
any ID at all for gov't rate or AARP rate.  They just <believe>.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >   Are you okay after your fall? You may be more sore tomorrow.
>
> I mostly had the air knocked out of me. I'm a little scraped, but
> that's all. Except for the lost food.:(

Somebody who just came in on this conversation would no doubt be
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> But aren't there tourists there all the time -- not just
> weekends/holidays?

Of course.  But I was referring to your friends with
the condo -- that people who buy a place here just for
weekends and holidays are probably in for a rethink.

As, evidently, happened in this case.

But I freely admit to a bias here, having been tossed
out of two apartments so they could be condo-ized and
sold to part-timers.  In fact, one of the places I lived
had 16 units and 3 full-time residents.  It was like
living in a hotel, 'cepfer the fact that no one changed
my linens every day.

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Richard                      20, 23

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 5:46:09 PM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:

<< The recovery period was something else again. >>

Don't I know it! I'm still at it, and that's after more than 20 years :-(
Of course 1/2 of my brain is shot, so it was not exactly minor, but
still......
Now it's my left eye that quit working, and I can't get an appointment until
the end of March. Hopefully it's treatable, because I'm not up to taking care
of a guide dog either.
Theo

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:15:10 PM, you wrote:

>>They found errors in each other's work.

> This one.

> Janet

Thank you. IITMFTATL.:)

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:39:37 PM, you wrote:

> At 05:48 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 5:43:22 PM, you wrote:
>> > I'm still no threat for the Olympic 400-m hurdles, but I now can walk all
>> > day and not suffer then nor afterwards.
>>
>>This is very nice.

> Indeed.  It was one of those things that one does to oneself in one's
> twenties and then comes back to haunt in one's late 50s or so.

Oh, yeah. I know *exactly* what you mean...

> I'm happy to have had it fixed.

Did one wonder why one had waited that long to have it fixed? Or
did it not become an <issue> until recently?

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:43:02 PM, you wrote:
> The recovery period was something else again. One of the
> principal, but seldom dwelt-on "downers" of aging is how long
> it takes to recover from damned near anything.

I think it'd be dwelt on if anyone had a memory left.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Well, I don't really host 'parties', but I do try to do some
> things in advance. In fact, I like most of my food at room
> temperature--I think there's more taste to it. So I'd leave it
> out. In a bowl.

I'm the most do-it-in-advance hostess imaginable!  I always marvel at
people who give dinner parties and do major cooking after the guests
arrive.  I do nothing but warming pre-made stuff at that point.  And I
make everything for big parties in advance, as much of it frozen as
possible so that I can do it well in advance.  But there's not always
time for doing things shortly in advance -- as in putting things out an
hour or so in advance.  Normally when I do a party of this kind, I leave
home around 6:30 a.m. and return home with the party guests when the
party starts at 5:00 p.m.  I have all the containers already set out but
then have to dump the food from the refrigerator to the containers.

> >> Also, put some garnish on it.
> >> A slice of red/yellow pepper, mint or parsley or cilantro. Put
> >> some leaf lettuce in the bowl before you put the hummus in it.
>
> > That's too complicated.  Besides, I tend to tell all.  If somebody
> > compliments the hummus, I will tell them where to find it at Wmart.
>
> Telling them where to buy it doesn't preclude making it
> attractive.

I think it looks just fine the way it is.  I've already got its little
bowl sitting out to receive it.

> > foot.  What kind of food did you break?
>
> Mint chutney and garlic-stuffed olives.

So just the jars broke.  Did you scoop the rolling olives off of the
pavement?  The chutney might have been pretty messy unless you had a
baggy in your purse.

> > And I still
> > remember the time about thirty years ago when I dropped a liquor-store
> > bag and watched the contents turn into a rivulet down the driveway.
>
> Argh. Alcohol is expensive.

Yes, and even more so in relation to my income then.  And it was to be
for a party.  I think I went back and bought some even cheaper stuff to
replace the lost stuff and served less food or something.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I think they must go by wrinkles for the AARP rate.

I'm not convinced.  The first time I used the AARP rate was not all that
many years after I had last been asked for ID for a bar that you had to
be eighteen to enter.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 6:52:00 PM, you wrote:
> I'm the most do-it-in-advance hostess imaginable!

Nah.

> But there's not always
> time for doing things shortly in advance -- as in putting things out an
> hour or so in advance.  Normally when I do a party of this kind, I leave
> home around 6:30 a.m. and return home with the party guests when the
> party starts at 5:00 p.m.

You can leave the hummus out all day. Just don't put it in a
sunny spot.

>  I have all the containers already set out but
> then have to dump the food from the refrigerator to the containers.

Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
the morning?

>> Mint chutney and garlic-stuffed olives.

> So just the jars broke.  Did you scoop the rolling olives off of the
> pavement?  The chutney might have been pretty messy unless you had a
> baggy in your purse.

The jars were smashed into smithereeens. The smithereens remained
mostly in the bag; someone who rescued me removed the kabocha
from the smithereen bag and put it in the other other bag. My car
was about six feet away. Before I got in the car, I emptied one
of the bags of its purchases and put the smithereens bag in it.
Some of it still leaked onto the mat in my car, though.

> Yes, and even more so in relation to my income then.  And it was to be
> for a party.  I think I went back and bought some even cheaper stuff to
> replace the lost stuff and served less food or something.

Well, now you know how I felt watching my food smash.

Though I'm grateful it wasn't any of my body parts.

Karen

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At 05:48 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 5:43:22 PM, you wrote:
> > I'm still no threat for the Olympic 400-m hurdles, but I now can walk all
> > day and not suffer then nor afterwards.
>
>This is very nice.

Indeed.  It was one of those things that one does to oneself in one's
twenties and then comes back to haunt in one's late 50s or so.  I'm happy
to have had it fixed.

cwv

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At 03:54 PM 2/9/2003 -0800, betty wrote:

>None of that sounds like fun.

Everything up to and including the surgery was, if not fun, at least quite
interesting.  The recovery period was something else again.  One of the
principal, but seldom dwelt-on "downers" of aging is how long it takes to
recover from damned near anything.

>You'll be ready to lead us up the mountain in
>July?

Yes---and I get to choose the mountain.

cwv

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 7:26:35 PM, you wrote:
> Now it's my left eye that quit working, and I can't get an appointment until
> the end of March. Hopefully it's treatable, because I'm not up to taking care
> of a guide dog either.

I find it horrendous that you have to wait two months for an
appointment when your vision is at stake. Can't you find someone
else?!

Karen

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> 15 pounds in a month.  They say they are
> enjoying their meals which consist largely
> of meat and vegetables.  They are allowed
> fat, and some of their recipes even call for a
> cream sauce made with cream.  Starches and
> sugars are avoided, and it's amazing to
> discover the hidden sources of sugar.

This is mostly the diet I'm eating as a diabetic, but I do eat some carbs,
between 100 and 150 grams per day, I'd say. My bagel in the morning accounts
for 65g of that total. But I do try to avoid other sugars and starches. It's
hard work.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 6:30:44 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I find it horrendous that you have to wait two months for an
appointment when your vision is at stake. Can't you find someone
else?!
 >>

It's the only eye DR in town that has any appointments available alas. I
could make one in Boise if I were able to drive. My dau has to take time off
time from work as it is, so I don't have much choice in the matter. Theo

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 7:37:34 PM, you wrote:
> It's the only eye DR in town that has any appointments available alas.

Doesn't the local hospital have an opthalmologist (or however you
spell it) on staff? Can't you go to the emergency room and be
seen there? Losing one's eyesight is surely an emergency.

Karen

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 6:50:25 PM, Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< Can't you go to the emergency room and be
seen there?  >>

Karen, this is not an emergency, no matter how important your sight is to
you. I'll just have to wait it out, and hope it won't get worse. Theo

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At 09:12 PM 2/9/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > 15 pounds in a month.  They say they are
> > enjoying their meals which consist largely
> > of meat and vegetables.  They are allowed
> > fat, and some of their recipes even call for a
> > cream sauce made with cream.  Starches and
> > sugars are avoided, and it's amazing to
> > discover the hidden sources of sugar.
>
>This is mostly the diet I'm eating as a diabetic, but I do eat some carbs,
>between 100 and 150 grams per day, I'd say. My bagel in the morning accounts
>for 65g of that total. But I do try to avoid other sugars and starches. It's
>hard work.

Get rid of the bagel.  Have some oatmeal.  :-)

Betty

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> Get rid of the bagel.  Have some oatmeal.  :-)
>
> Betty

Uh-huh.

Oatmeal's even worse.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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The news tonight is going to include a story on tongue-splitting.
I plan not to watch--I couldn't even stand to watch the teaser.

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >  I have all the containers already set out but
> > then have to dump the food from the refrigerator to the containers.
>
> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
> the morning?

Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.

> > Yes, and even more so in relation to my income then.  And it was to be
> > for a party.  I think I went back and bought some even cheaper stuff to
> > replace the lost stuff and served less food or something.
>
> Well, now you know how I felt watching my food smash.

The "now" doesn't work.  I knew it as soon as I figured out you were
talking about smashed food.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 8:56:11 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
>> the morning?

> Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.

Huh? I'm not suggesting you leave everything out. I was
suggesting you leave the hummus out. But I don't undestand why
you can't put the other stuff in its dishes in the morning.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 8:57:34 PM, you wrote:
> And what was that somebody was saying about the Canadian medical system?

That it's imperfect. It never occurred to me that risking losing
your vision would be considered a non-emergency, though.

Karen

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"RICHARD J. SCHEIDT" wrote:
>
> > But aren't there tourists there all the time -- not just
> > weekends/holidays?
>
> Of course.  But I was referring to your friends with
> the condo -- that people who buy a place here just for
> weekends and holidays are probably in for a rethink.
>
> As, evidently, happened in this case.

He didn't buy it for weekends and holidays, though that was the only
time he had to spend in it pre-retirement.  His plan was to move into it
permanently upon retirement.  He spent more than just ordinary holidays
there -- e.g., the half of the summer he wasn't teaching, etc.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I find it horrendous that you have to wait two months for an
> appointment when your vision is at stake.

And what was that somebody was saying about the Canadian medical system?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Doesn't the local hospital have an opthalmologist (or however you
> spell it) on staff? Can't you go to the emergency room and be
> seen there? Losing one's eyesight is surely an emergency.

There's no ophthalmologist in the emergency room here.  I don't know
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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:02:26 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>> The news tonight is going to include a story on tongue-splitting.
>> I plan not to watch--I couldn't even stand to watch the teaser.

> Is it about why English and Russian are different languages today?

No, it's about someone taking a sharp object and splitting their
tongue into two halves.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > There's no ophthalmologist in the emergency room here.  I don't know
> > about elsewhere.
>
> Not even on call? I find that odd. Even Kirksville, which is
> smaller than Starkville, had one on call, but then, we had taxis,
> too.

I'm not intimate enough with the emergency room to know who might be on
call.  I would assume that if somebody arrived with an eyeball hanging
out, an ophthalmologist might be called.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Put them in the serving dish and put them back in the fridge.

Two reasons I wouldn't do that:  (1) My refrigerator isn't large enough
to accommodate such dishes (the refrigerated stuff is bagged, not spread
out on dishes), and (2) my poor table would suffer mightily from cold
silver sweating upon it.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 8:59:18 PM, you wrote:
> There's no ophthalmologist in the emergency room here.  I don't know
> about elsewhere.

Not even on call? I find that odd. Even Kirksville, which is
smaller than Starkville, had one on call, but then, we had taxis,
too.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> The news tonight is going to include a story on tongue-splitting.
> I plan not to watch--I couldn't even stand to watch the teaser.

Is it about why English and Russian are different languages today?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Huh? I'm not suggesting you leave everything out. I was
> suggesting you leave the hummus out. But I don't undestand why
> you can't put the other stuff in its dishes in the morning.

I've never served hummus before.  Iow, hummus isn't relevant to what I
was saying about past parties of this kind.  But your last sentence is
confusing to me.  You said you're not suggesting I leave everything out,
but then you say you don't understand why I don't put it in its dishes
in the morning.  I don't understand.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> No, it's about someone taking a sharp object and splitting their
> tongue into two halves.

Why would somebody want to do that?  To engage in doubletalk?

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:04:51 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> Huh? I'm not suggesting you leave everything out. I was
>> suggesting you leave the hummus out. But I don't undestand why
>> you can't put the other stuff in its dishes in the morning.

> I've never served hummus before.  Iow, hummus isn't relevant to what I
> was saying about past parties of this kind.  But your last sentence is
> confusing to me.  You said you're not suggesting I leave everything out,
> but then you say you don't understand why I don't put it in its dishes
> in the morning.  I don't understand.

Put them in the serving dish and put them back in the fridge.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:06:27 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > There's no ophthalmologist in the emergency room here.  I don't know
>> > about elsewhere.
>>
>> Not even on call? I find that odd. Even Kirksville, which is
>> smaller than Starkville, had one on call, but then, we had taxis,
>> too.

> I'm not intimate enough with the emergency room to know who might be on
> call.  I would assume that if somebody arrived with an eyeball hanging
> out, an ophthalmologist might be called.

They call them for even lesser things than that.

Karen

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:07:09 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:

>> No, it's about someone taking a sharp object and splitting their
>> tongue into two halves.

> Why would somebody want to do that?

Think about the utility.

>  To engage in doubletalk?

No, lower than that.

Karen

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:13:33 -0600
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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:10:34 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Put them in the serving dish and put them back in the fridge.

> Two reasons I wouldn't do that:  (1) My refrigerator isn't large enough
> to accommodate such dishes (the refrigerated stuff is bagged, not spread
> out on dishes), and (2) my poor table would suffer mightily from cold
> silver sweating upon it.

Okay, but you must concede the doing-things-ahead-the-most title.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:25:20 PM, you wrote:
> Hated it.

As far as I know, you are alone in the world.

> Depressed people get boring fast.

Well, yes.

I want touch you 110 times per hour, Ann Borkin!

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Hated it.

Depressed people get boring fast.

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I can't remember the term... They used to have self-accusation
sessions. It always struck me like something that happens in
Catholic religious orders. But anyway, I can't remember either
term. Can anyone help my poor feeble brain?

Karen
A well-rounded little rabbit

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> I want touch you 110 times per hour, Ann Borkin!

Why you sweet well-rounded bunny you.  [you don't shed, do you?]

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:45:50 PM, you wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>> I want touch you 110 times per hour, Ann Borkin!

> Why you sweet well-rounded bunny you.  [you don't shed, do you?]

Uh, no more than normal humans.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> >> The news tonight is going to include a story on tongue-splitting.
> >> I plan not to watch--I couldn't even stand to watch the teaser.
>
> > Is it about why English and Russian are different languages today?
>
> No, it's about someone taking a sharp object and splitting their
> tongue into two halves.
>
> Karen

Did they say why someone would do that?

           - D. M.

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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:52:47 PM, you wrote:

>> >> The news tonight is going to include a story on tongue-splitting.
>> >> I plan not to watch--I couldn't even stand to watch the teaser.
>>
>> > Is it about why English and Russian are different languages today?
>>
>> No, it's about someone taking a sharp object and splitting their
>> tongue into two halves.
>>
>> Karen

> Did they say why someone would do that?

>            - D. M.

I was assuming it's just another body mod. Like tongue-piercing,
branding, tattoos, or ear-piercing. You can see a lot of pictures
if you google on 'tongue-splitting'.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 8:06:46 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<  I would assume that if somebody arrived with an eyeball hanging
out, an ophthalmologist might be called.
 >>
Now THAT would qualify as an emergency! And I assume any physician worth his
(her) degree could put it back in.
Theo

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 7:58:02 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< And what was that somebody was saying about the Canadian medical system? >>

I have to agree with her thinking. I once had a relationship with a retired
Canadian doctor, so I familiar with it, at least through HIS views. Also with
the European system from my own experience. THIS system sucks bigtime.

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= Are you going to share your hummus recipe, you purist?
=
= Karen

I frequently do like store bought hummus.  My step mom had some
killer stuff from Trader Joe's.

you need:
1 cup dried garbanzo beans
1 clove garlic
some parsley
some water
2 - 3 tablespoons tahini
2 - 3 tablespoons (olive) oil
a squeeze or two of lemon

soak the garbanzo beans
cook them until very tender
get out the appliance
whirl the garlic
add the parsley and whirl it too
whirl the (chick) peas
add some water if it looks dry, but don't let it get fluffy
add the tahini
add enough oil to make it look smooth and yummy
squeeze in some lemon
salt and pepper or some chili


The thing is, 1 cup of dried garbanzo beans yeilds a different
amount and a different texture each time depending on the age and
quality of the beans.

You can make it without a kitchen gadget, but then I recommend
mashing the beans with a fork and chopping the rest as fine as
possible.

I think I've settled on roasted tahini as being better than not
roasted, but sometimes I switch.  If you like lots of tahini, you
may want to skip the olive oil.

Parsely: you can add what you like.  Sometimes it's just to break
up the blah, once I made green hummus.  Don't do that.

This freezes well if you don't want to eat it all in one go.

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 10:11:28 PM, Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<< THIS system sucks bigtime.
 >>

I forgot to sign, not on purpose I assure you, Sorry
Theo

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Subject: Re:      Re: Squick!
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> > No, it's about someone taking a sharp object and splitting their
> > tongue into two halves.
>
> Did they say why someone would do that?

Why does anyone do any body modification? To reclaim a body part, to look
different from everybody else, to turn one's body into a work of art, to
experience an altered state of consciousness during the procedure itself, to
mark a significant life event...

There was a pictorial of a woman who had done this a few years back in "Body
Play." She'd actually started out with a regular tongue piercing, then
worked it forward until her tongue was bisected. The two halves actually had
some capacity for independent movement -- there was a picture of her holding
a cigarette with her tongue.

Janet

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Blue skies at 8:30 in the am.

Yipeeee!

Make that YaY!

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Rashmi Murthy:
= Blue skies at 8:30 in the am.
=
= Yipeeee!
=
= Make that YaY!
=
= -rashmi
=

Scary, isn't it.  We've got a bit of haze and some low clouds,
but also lots of blue blue sky.  But you know what that means,
it's COLD.

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Natalie:

>I think I forgot to say thank you for the hummus suggestion, which I'm
>quite pleased with.

I only now read yesterday's e-mail. Athena hummus is yummy.
Their three-pepper one rules.

If you're into garnish, you can gussy it up by putting the hummus
in another dish with a little olive oil and parsley on top.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> >  To engage in doubletalk?
>
> No, lower than that.

Can the two pieces of tongue act individually?  Or do they have to be in
synch and have to be directed with a hand or something?

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>  The two halves actually had
> some capacity for independent movement --

Aha.  There's the answer to the question I just asked.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
>> the morning?
>
>Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.

You use poison serving dishes??? Slow-acting poison serving dishes???

Bethany

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I only now read yesterday's e-mail. Athena hummus is yummy.
> Their three-pepper one rules.

I noticed there was at least one kind of <flavored> carton, but I got
the one that said something like "original" rather than the other one.

> If you're into garnish, you can gussy it up by putting the hummus
> in another dish with a little olive oil and parsley on top.

I've already told Karen that that's too complicated, although it really
would be nice to have a use for some of the huge bunch of parsley left
over from making the water chestnut dip.  I think I've made too much
food for the size of the group.  But I have no idea what the size of the
group will be.  These parties vary from a handful of people to a rather
large group.

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Bethany K. Dumas:
= On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
=
= >> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
= >> the morning?
= >
= >Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.
=
= You use poison serving dishes??? Slow-acting poison serving dishes???
=
= Bethany

Only for you, dear.

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20:46 06.02.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>I'm not going to tell Spencer that not a single Wordsler inquired about
>his safe homecoming this afternoon.  He's snoozing on the couch now, as

I hope he is fine now - four days later. We came back home from Bergen yesterday, and Columbus was miffed it seems since he had been alone for a couple of days (although therev had been visitorsm giving him food and fresh water every day). He stayed under the bathtup for a while and bit Ingjerd's finger when she tried to establish contact with him.

Espen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I can't remember the term... They used to have self-accusation
> sessions.

    During the Great Leap Forward I used to read about "self-criticism"
sessions.  Is that what you mean?

JMW

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:17:35 AM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> I can't remember the term... They used to have self-accusation
>> sessions.

>     During the Great Leap Forward I used to read about "self-criticism"
> sessions.  Is that what you mean?

YES. I think. That at least gives me something to google on.
Bless you, John Mark.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 9:13:06 AM, you wrote:
> Wasn't the red Fiestaware removed from the market because it was found to be
> radioactive? Or is that just UL?

I thought it was the lead content. Ooh, you're right:
http://www.fiestafanatic.com/redlead2.html

Hm. I guess I won't be heating my yellow Fiesta in the microwave
any more.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:40:04 AM, you wrote:

> 02003-02-09 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
>> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>> > > I think the idea was that they didn't know English
>> > > very well and thus weren't into dialectal diversity like r-lessness.
>> >
>> > So legal aliens all know English very well?
>>
>> Legal aliens could apply for gov't help.  The point was the combination
>> of their alienness and their illegalness, one re language, the other re
>> why they were starving.

> Now I get it! That was a pretty funny joke, Dr Maynor.

You're up early, Elephant Boy!

Karen
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Sunday, February 9, 2003, 11:19:18 PM, you wrote:
> My step mom had some killer stuff from Trader Joe's.

Sob! I miss that store.

> The thing is, 1 cup of dried garbanzo beans yeilds a different
> amount and a different texture each time depending on the age and
> quality of the beans.

Thanks.

> I think I've settled on roasted tahini as being better than not
> roasted, but sometimes I switch.  If you like lots of tahini, you
> may want to skip the olive oil.

I don't think I've ever seen both roasted and unroasted. Most
places just have one kind. Does the olive oil, uh, mediate the
intensity of the tahini?

> Parsely: you can add what you like.  Sometimes it's just to break
> up the blah, once I made green hummus.  Don't do that.

Thanks for the tip.:)

> This freezes well if you don't want to eat it all in one go.

Good to know. (Though my freezer is amazingly crowded at the
moment; I don't know how it got that way.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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The Syracuse Friends of Chamber Music concert on Saturday night featured the Violins
du Roy from Quebec in a mostly Bach and Handel program.  One of the instruments
they used was a theorbo (the name of which I only discovered through internet
searching ths morning).  It is a very dramatic instrument - a variation of the archlute.  It
has a very long (about 5 ft.) neck with two separate tuning heads.  The one I saw sat
night had 20 strings - 16 fretted and 4 open.  It had the sound of a very mellow guitar
but with a much broader range.


BrP

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02003-02-09 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > > I think the idea was that they didn't know English
> > > very well and thus weren't into dialectal diversity like r-lessness.
> >
> > So legal aliens all know English very well?
>
> Legal aliens could apply for gov't help.  The point was the combination
> of their alienness and their illegalness, one re language, the other re
> why they were starving.

Now I get it! That was a pretty funny joke, Dr Maynor.

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02003-02-10 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:40:04 AM, you wrote:
> > 02003-02-09 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> >> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> >> > > I think the idea was that they didn't know English
> >> > > very well and thus weren't into dialectal diversity like r-lessness.
> >> >
> >> > So legal aliens all know English very well?
> >>
> >> Legal aliens could apply for gov't help.  The point was the combination
> >> of their alienness and their illegalness, one re language, the other re
> >> why they were starving.
>
> > Now I get it! That was a pretty funny joke, Dr Maynor.
>
> You're up early, Elephant Boy!

Elephant boy has a work ethic. Please ...

> Karen
> "In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
> while in London, they touched no times at all."

Good for London ... I hate touching parties

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> On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
> >> the morning?
> >
> >Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.
>
> You use poison serving dishes??? Slow-acting poison serving dishes???
>
> Bethany

Wasn't the red Fiestaware removed from the market because it was found to be
radioactive? Or is that just UL?



BrP

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 9:24:26 AM, you wrote:
[about Trader Joe's]
> It is so NOT what it used to be 12-16 years ago.  I was in the
> store in PB, the same one I used to go to way back when.  It's
> like a destination now for certain items as opposed to the
> surprise it used to be.

That's fine by me--it's a destination for so many things!

[tahini]
> Not roasted is white, and roasted is brown.  Makes sense when you
> think about it.

Of course. I just haven't seen both for sale in the same place.
What I have is unroasted, I think.

> some for me, some for a friend, some for the freezer, repeat

:)

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Paul R. Barfoot:
= > On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >
= > >> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
= > >> the morning?
= > >
= > >Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.
= >
= > You use poison serving dishes??? Slow-acting poison serving dishes???
= >
= > Bethany
=
= Wasn't the red Fiestaware removed from the market because it was found to be
= radioactive? Or is that just UL?
=

The orange.

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A scan of subject lines awaiting me this morning produces a rhythmic delight

dip squick dip squick dip dip dip squick


BrP

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Karen Kay:
= Sunday, February 9, 2003, 11:19:18 PM, you wrote:
= > My step mom had some killer stuff from Trader Joe's.
=
= Sob! I miss that store.
=

It is so NOT what it used to be 12-16 years ago.  I was in the
store in PB, the same one I used to go to way back when.  It's
like a destination now for certain items as opposed to the
surprise it used to be.

= > I think I've settled on roasted tahini as being better than not
= > roasted, but sometimes I switch.  If you like lots of tahini, you
= > may want to skip the olive oil.
=
= I don't think I've ever seen both roasted and unroasted. Most
= places just have one kind. Does the olive oil, uh, mediate the
= intensity of the tahini?
=

Not roasted is white, and roasted is brown.  Makes sense when you
think about it.  The olive oil just makes it smoother without
making it overwhelmingly sesame.  Hummus should taste like beans,
not thickend tahini.  But that's what I think.  You might want to
add so much tahini that you don't need any more oil in it to make
it the right consistency.  Also, as you add water to tahini it
actually gets thicker, so the oil cuts that a bit.

= Good to know. (Though my freezer is amazingly crowded at the
= moment; I don't know how it got that way.
=

some for me, some for a friend, some for the freezer, repeat

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At 12:31 PM 2/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > That said, I've been thinking about doing it again for just a couple
> > of weeks. I've gotten into some very bad carb-addict habits -- one of
> > the antidepressants I was on for a while made me crave carbs
> > absurdly, and although I'm not on it any more, I reverted to some
> > habits I thought I'd dropped several years ago -- and I'm hoping that
> > a few weeks of high-protein low-carb will break the cycle.
> >
> > Janet
>
>I've found in a couple of books one key to
>spot if you're a carb addict . .
>If you get hungry late in the morning after
>eating a big breakfast, whereas if you don't
>eat breakfast you don't get hungry later.
>
>This is certainly true for me, but it
>seems strange.
>
>                    - D. M.

If you don't eat in the morning your metabolism doesn't get the kick start
it needs. I always take it as a good sign that I'm hungry, it means I'm
burning what I all ready put in me.

lisa

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>From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
> > Is it me or is this awfully insensitive. How tacky.
> >
>I admit it might be insensitive if I was privy to Marie and Bruce's life. I
>am not privy, so I was making a joke.Following a progression.  If she is
>having trouble having kids, I am sorry. There are worse things.

It's okay, Alec. I'm not feeling hypersensitive.

If you'd been paying attention, you might notice that we moved up to the
woods in preparation for the need for more space, and that was now almost
two years ago. But with me changing jobs and all it hasn't been and
all-consuming endeavor. We are not getting any younger, however. So, as it
happens --- TMI ALERT ---

I'm scheduled for a hysterosalpingogram (HSG) tomorrow. Consider yourself
privvy. ;)

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:20:48 AM, you wrote:
> I'm scheduled for a hysterosalpingogram (HSG) tomorrow. Consider yourself
> privvy. ;)

How do they do this? Do they shoot you full of radioactive
something-or-other? I do hope you have a good result.

Is this a good time to tell the story of my friends Tom and
Leslie? They had one child by her previous marriage, and after 5
years of no pregnancy, they adopted a Korean child. About 8 years
later, Leslie found herself pregnant. And then she got pregant again
the next year. And the next year...

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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This is a bit after the fact, but here are a few blurbs with recipes I'd
gleaned from The New York Times around Jan. 28.

AS




Tzatziki

Tzatziki is the ubiquitous Greek dip that can range from garlicky to very
garlicky to super garlicky. We've restrained ourselves, but use an extra
clove if you prefer.

1 quart yogurt, drained
1 cucumber (preferably English hothouse)
1 clove garlic, chopped
3 tablespoons dill, chopped
3 tablespoons mint, chopped
2 tablespoons lemon juice
Salt and pepper to taste.
1. Mix together garlic, salt, pepper, lemon juice, mint, dill and yogurt.
2. Peel and dice cucumber and mix with yogurt mixture.
3. Reserve for one hour in refrigerator and serve.




Tapenade

Hailing from the Provence region of France, tapenade is a salty mix
featuring olives, capers, garlic and anchovies. (To pit the olives, place
them under a towel and crush with a heavy pan. Remove the pits and
continue.) You can also add small chunks of cooked tuna for some extra body.
Enjoy on crackers, rustic bread or rolls.

2 cups olives, pitted (small olives are preferable; oil-cured is fine)
1 clove garlic
1 fillet anchovy (if salt-packed, rinse well and dry; if oil-packed, pat
dry)
1 tablespoon lemon juice
1/2 cup capers, drained and rinsed
1/2 cup extra-virgin olive oil
Pepper to taste.
Place olives into a food processor; process until roughly chopped. Add the
garlic, capers, anchovy and lemon juice, and begin to process, slowly adding
the olive oil until you have reached the desired consistency; season with
pepper.



Salsa Cruda

In the Latin world, there are almost as many varieties of salsa as there are
of tomato. Salsa simply means "sauce," although it can be cooked or
uncooked. We present a raw version that is best eaten with crispy nachos.
(For a thinner consistency, leave out the olive oil.)


6 plum tomatoes, stem end removed and roughly chopped
1 red onion, chopped
1 jalapeño pepper, seeds and ribs removed, finely chopped
Juice of 1 lemon
Bunch cilantro, chopped
1 clove garlic, chopped
Large pinch coriander (preferably freshly ground)
1 teaspoon cumin (preferably freshly ground)
Salt and pepper to taste Olive oil to taste.
Place all of the ingredients into a food processor; using the pulse
function, process, slowly adding the olive oil, until desired consistency
(smooth with small chunks is typical). Reserve for one hour and serve.


Baba Ghanouj and Hummus

Both baba ghanouj and hummus are made using the sesame paste called tahini.
You can buy jarred tahini in most supermarkets, but if you want to make your
own, toast a few tablespoons of sesame seeds in an oven or skillet. Process
the seeds, slowly adding olive oil until it reaches a thick, paste-like
consistency (about 2-3 minutes).



Baba Ghanouj

2 eggplants
1 cup extra-virgin olive oil
2 cloves garlic, roasted or raw (roasted gives it an extra-smoky flavor)
2 taplespoons fresh lemon juice
2 tablespoons tahini paste
Salt and pepper to taste.
1. Preheat an oven to 350 degrees. With the tip of your knife, poke holes
into eggplants. Lightly coat in olive oil, and until soft (about 1 hour).
2. After allowing the eggplant to cool, peel off the skin and remove the
top; discard. Place the meat of eggplant into food processor. Add the
garlic, lemon juice and tahini paste. Begin to process, slowly adding the
remaining olive oil until the desired consistency is reached. Taste and
season. Serve immediately or chill.



Hummus

Hummus is virtually the same as baba ghanouj, with cooked chickpeas
replacing the eggplant. The two form a perfect duo, to be enjoyed with
lightly toasted or warmed pita bread.

2 cups canned or cooked chickpeas
1 clove garlic, raw or roasted
2 tablespoons lemon juice
2 tablespoons tahini paste
1 teaspoon cumin (preferably freshly ground)
1 cup extra-virgin olive oil
1 tablespoon chopped parsley (optional)
Salt and pepper to taste.
Place the chickpeas, garlic, lemon juice, tahini and cumin into a food
processor. Puree slowly adding the olive oil until you have reached the
desired consistency; the puree should be smooth, but not runny. Taste and
season; garnish with parsley.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:27 AM
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>
>Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:20:48 AM, you wrote:
>> I'm scheduled for a hysterosalpingogram (HSG) tomorrow.
>Consider yourself
>> privvy. ;)
>
>How do they do this? Do they shoot you full of radioactive
>something-or-other? I do hope you have a good result.
>


Karen,

Check out http://www.advancedfertility.com/hsg.htm


alec

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One of the advantages of living in syracuse is that I have a significant increase in
refrigerator space this time of year.  My enclosed front porch currently houses a vat
of soup that would be too big to fit in the normal fridge.


BrP



> Two reasons I wouldn't do that:  (1) My refrigerator isn't large enough
> to accommodate such dishes (the refrigerated stuff is bagged, not spread
> out on dishes), and (2) my poor table would suffer mightily from cold
> silver sweating upon it.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:30:52 AM, you wrote:
> One of the advantages of living in syracuse is that I have a significant increase in
> refrigerator space this time of year.  My enclosed front porch currently houses a vat
> of soup that would be too big to fit in the normal fridge.

But then you have to chip off frozen hunks!

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:30:05 AM, you wrote:
> Karen,

> Check out http://www.advancedfertility.com/hsg.htm

Alec,

I stopped at the word 'tenaculum'. This is *way* TMI.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>I stopped at the word 'tenaculum'. This is *way* TMI.

How did you feel about "frog leg position"?

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>How do they do this? Do they shoot you full of radioactive
>something-or-other? I do hope you have a good result.

Not radioactive. Just dye, then x-ray.

Thanks.

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:39:18 AM, you wrote:

>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>I stopped at the word 'tenaculum'. This is *way* TMI.

> How did you feel about "frog leg position"?

Made me laugh.:)

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
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Sometime in the last week (probably on the radio as I was driving to or from
Toronto) I was listening to a story about a couple who did in vitro fertilization, had
two healthy embryos successfully implanted and through ultrasound discovered that
the woman had, at the same time, become pregnant with twins the <traditional>
way.  They now have 4 healthy babies, two of whom are identical twins.  Did
anybody else hear this story?  I thought it was quite amazing.


BrP

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:43:14 AM, you wrote:
> Sometime in the last week (probably on the radio as I was driving to or from
> Toronto) I was listening to a story about a couple who did in vitro fertilization, had
> two healthy embryos successfully implanted and through ultrasound discovered that
> the woman had, at the same time, become pregnant with twins the <traditional>
> way.  They now have 4 healthy babies, two of whom are identical twins.  Did
> anybody else hear this story?  I thought it was quite amazing.

I saw something about it on TV. One girl, 3 boys. The doctors
were funny--they were so surprised and amazed.

I can't imagine taking care of four kids at once.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > If you're into garnish, you can gussy it up by putting the hummus
> > in another dish with a little olive oil and parsley on top.
>
>I've already told Karen that that's too complicated, although it really
>would be nice to have a use for some of the huge bunch of parsley left
>over from making the water chestnut dip

This is my standard hummus recipe --
http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=101577 -- for which I only
sometimes make the parsley oil. And to which I sometimes add dill, or
roasted red peppers, as I wish.

Marie

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>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> > Hated it.
>
>As far as I know, you are alone in the world.

She hated The English Patient, too.

(she and Elaine from Seinfeld)

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:55:40 AM, you wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>> > Hated it.
>>
>>As far as I know, you are alone in the world.

> She hated The English Patient, too.

> (she and Elaine from Seinfeld)

I wasn't crazy about it--except for The Sikh. Be still my heart!

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:52:06 AM, you wrote:

>>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>> > If you're into garnish, you can gussy it up by putting the hummus
>> > in another dish with a little olive oil and parsley on top.
>>
>>I've already told Karen that that's too complicated, although it really
>>would be nice to have a use for some of the huge bunch of parsley left
>>over from making the water chestnut dip

> This is my standard hummus recipe --
> http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=101577 -- for which I only
> sometimes make the parsley oil. And to which I sometimes add dill, or
> roasted red peppers, as I wish.

Thank you! I clicked this and up popped a mention of
cranberry-ginger chutney, which I will also make.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Marie Ascher:
= >From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
= >= hysterosalpingogram (HSG)
= >
= >this is where they ping your uterus with salt and graph it,
= >right?
=
= Ping? What is this, geek gynecology?
=

Why not?

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=
= hysterosalpingogram (HSG)

this is where they ping your uterus with salt and graph it,
right?

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>From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
>= hysterosalpingogram (HSG)
>
>this is where they ping your uterus with salt and graph it,
>right?

Ping? What is this, geek gynecology?

Marie

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>  >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>  > Hated it.
>>
>>As far as I know, you are alone in the world.
>
>She hated The English Patient, too.
>
>(she and Elaine from Seinfeld)

And me. But I haven't seen The Hours.

I'm taking the day off today (except for driving to the dealership so
they can take off the $2500 alloy wheels that I don't want and
replace them with the regular kind). I think I may go see Love, Liza,
the new Philip Seymour Hoffman movie.

Janet

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>Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:55:40 AM, you wrote:
>>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>>  > Hated it.
>>>
>>>As far as I know, you are alone in the world.
>
>>  She hated The English Patient, too.
>
>>  (she and Elaine from Seinfeld)
>
>I wasn't crazy about it--except for The Sikh. Be still my heart!

Oh, yeah, there was that ;)

Janet

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>From: steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM>
>Beau Monde is also the seasoning that makes 'that spinach dip'
>taste like that spinach dip.

The spinach dip that I like is the one made from Knorr's vegetable soup mix.
>From the package.

Marie

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02003-02-09 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> >Karen Kay:
> >= I think this is very interesting.
> >=
> >= http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm
> >=
> >I like the women in the nyc snow, spelling out "No Bush".
>
> Is it just my warped sense of humor, or is there something deeply
> funny about a bunch of naked women spelling out "No Bush"?

You have such a perverted mind!

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>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>I have an exaggerated aversion to white, creamy, saucy food
>- German salad dressing, sour cream dips, cream cheese,
>alfredo, kwark - all fit the bill. They make me <shudder>.

But you like yogurt based foods, right?

What's kwark?

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 12:46:31 PM, you wrote:

>>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>I have an exaggerated aversion to white, creamy, saucy food
>>- German salad dressing, sour cream dips, cream cheese,
>>alfredo, kwark - all fit the bill. They make me <shudder>.

> But you like yogurt based foods, right?

> What's kwark?

Usually spelled quark. It's another dairy product, very
expensive. There are recipes for making it on the web. Or you can
search the archives--Tony asnwered this question when I asked
last fall.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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BTW, while we're on the subject of dips -- or I am, ya'll were yesterday --
one of my current favorite things in the whole world is this smoked trout
dip. http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=102070

I could bring some to Snowbash...

Marie

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02003-02-08 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> I think this is very interesting.
>
> http://baringwitness.org/photos.htm

Wow, you don't even need a password!

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>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>Too tired to make things from scratch.  Working every day,
>and the only days I take off are those in which I'm sick.

Every single day including Saturdays and Sundays?

Yow.

Marie

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At 10:41 AM 2/10/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, February 10, 2003, 10:39:18 AM, you wrote:
>
> >>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
> >>I stopped at the word 'tenaculum'. This is *way* TMI.
>
> > How did you feel about "frog leg position"?
>
>Made me laugh.:)

ditto to that. felt like a 6th grader...

lisa

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At 09:39 AM 2/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>  >From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>>  > Hated it.
>>>
>>>As far as I know, you are alone in the world.
>>
>>She hated The English Patient, too.
>>
>>(she and Elaine from Seinfeld)
>
>And me. But I haven't seen The Hours.
>
>I'm taking the day off today (except for driving to the dealership so
>they can take off the $2500 alloy wheels that I don't want and
>replace them with the regular kind). I think I may go see Love, Liza,
>the new Philip Seymour Hoffman movie.
>
>Janet


We saw Chicago this weekend. I really liked it. Tina thought it was ok. She
liked Moulin Rouge better, I'm the opposite.

We do want to see The Hours but I don't want it to depress me. A friend saw
it and said she really liked it but did feel like throwing herself in front
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In a message dated 02/10/2003 1:39:27 PM Central Standard Time,
lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<
>From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>Too tired to make things from scratch.  Working every day,
>and the only days I take off are those in which I'm sick.

Every single day including Saturdays and Sundays?


>>

I get every other Sunday off.  And Mondays, I don't have to be
at work until 5:30 - 6 PM.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
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From: "Doris Markland" <dmarkld@ncfcomm.com>
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Condensed and forwarded:

You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?

Makes one think, and puts things in perspective.

Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .................. $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19..................$ 9.52 per gallon
SunDrop (a.k.a "liquid crack")2L $1.49 ......$2.82 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 .......................$10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 .................. $10 .00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ................... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 ................. $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .................. $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ....................... $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 ........................ $84.48 per gallon

and this is the REAL KICKER......
Evian water 9 oz for $1.49 ........ $21.19 per gallon.

$21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know
the source.


                 - D. M.

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--- Marie Ascher <lounge_ascher@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> BTW, while we're on the subject of dips -- or I am,
> ya'll were yesterday --
> one of my current favorite things in the whole world
> is this smoked trout
> dip.
> http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=102070
>
> I could bring some to Snowbash...

Oooh. I used to date a guy who caught and smoked his
own trout and made pate. I *miss* him. Well, actually,
not him, just the pate.

Janet

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 1:55:41 PM, you wrote:
> You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?

No. Yurrpeens pay at least 4 times as much.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 02/10/2003 3:07:51 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
There are non ionic dyes now that are used, too.


>>

When the nurse injected the dye into me, it felt as if she
were pouring burning celluloid into my arm, and my arm
later swelled up and hurt like hell.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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02003-02-10 | Janet Hardy <bdsmpublisher@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> Oooh. I used to date a guy who caught and smoked his
> own trout and made pate. I *miss* him. Well, actually,
> not him, just the pate.

>
> Janet
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02003-02-10 | Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> writes:
> Condensed and forwarded:
>
> You Think A Gallon Of Gas Is Expensive?
>
> Makes one think, and puts things in perspective.

Not really, these are all luxury items for alternate lifestyles.


> Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 .................. $10.32 per gallon
> Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19..................$ 9.52 per gallon
> SunDrop (a.k.a "liquid crack")2L $1.49 ......$2.82 per gallon
> Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 .......................$10.17 per gallon
> Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 .................. $10 .00 per gallon
> Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ................... $33.60 per gallon
> Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 ................. $178.13 per gallon
> Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .................. $123.20 per gallon
> Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ....................... $25.42 per gallon
> Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 ........................ $84.48 per gallon
>
> and this is the REAL KICKER......
> Evian water 9 oz for $1.49 ........ $21.19 per gallon.
>
> $21.19 FOR WATER! ....and the buyers don't even know
> the source.
>
>
>                  - D. M.

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At 11:37 AM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
>>How do they do this? Do they shoot you full of radioactive
>>something-or-other? I do hope you have a good result.
>
>Not radioactive. Just dye, then x-ray.

I did one with barium once.  I was a student.

Betty

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I was wondering:  what if one is allergic to the X-ray dye; what do they
use then?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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At 01:56 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>BTW, while we're on the subject of dips -- or I am, ya'll were yesterday --
>one of my current favorite things in the whole world is this smoked trout
>dip. http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=102070
>
>I could bring some to Snowbash...
>
>Marie

Mmm.. that does look good. Bring it!

lisa

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> I was wondering:  what if one is allergic to the X-ray dye; what do they
> use then?
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
> cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

This reminds me of a Schweitzer story.  When it was announced that he had won
the Nobel Peace Prize, one of his nurses (I think it was Ali Silver) took the call.
When she found him, the following conversation is said to have taken place

Silver - Doctor, I have some wonderful news!
Schweitzer - Oh, the black cat had her kittens?
Silver - No, you have won the Nobel Peace Prize!
Schwietzer (visibly disappointed) - Oh


BrP

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At 03:30 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>I was wondering:  what if one is allergic to the X-ray dye; what do they
>use then?

Barium?  :-)

There are non ionic dyes now that are used, too.

Betty

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=
= > What's kwark?
=
= Usually spelled quark. It's another dairy product, very
= expensive. There are recipes for making it on the web. Or you can
= search the archives--Tony asnwered this question when I asked
= last fall.
=
= Karen

Kwark is fromage frais.  You know when you start with milk, and
you add the rennet and end up with curds and whey?  Kwark is
curds.  You're being taken if it's expensive.

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In a message dated 02/10/2003 2:51:23 PM Central Standard Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
Silver - Doctor, I have some wonderful news!
Schweitzer - Oh, the black cat had her kittens?
Silver - No, you have won the Nobel Peace Prize!
Schwietzer (visibly disappointed) - Oh

>>

He knew what's important in life.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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... boy, Tushar, who jerked your briefs up this
morning??

Janet

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02003-02-10 | Janet Hardy <bdsmpublisher@YAHOO.COM> writes:
> ... boy, Tushar, who jerked your briefs up this
> morning??

Probably somebody dreaming in color ...

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02003-02-09 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> fyi...  this is a scam email which was sent to me... I don't think you
> should fill out any forms it may lead you to.

To tell you the truth 'Al, I don't see any way to spoof that
form--or at least any cheesy way that is typical of spammers
like this. Maybe there was other stuff in the mail?


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>
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02003-02-09 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Sunday, February 9, 2003, 9:25:20 PM, you wrote:
> > Hated it.
>
> As far as I know, you are alone in the world.

WRONG

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 2:58:18 PM, you wrote:
> You're being taken if it's expensive.

Ha. At one point, I phoned every grocery store in Austin, and
found that only one place carried it. It was $3 for 1/2 cup.

I changed the recipe.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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At 04:30 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 02/10/2003 3:07:51 PM Central Standard Time,
>bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><<
>There are non ionic dyes now that are used, too.
>
>
> >>
>
>When the nurse injected the dye into me, it felt as if she
>were pouring burning celluloid into my arm, and my arm
>later swelled up and hurt like hell.

Must have gotten a little bit on the outside of the vein.  We used to get
complaints of hot flushing from using the old cheap stuff.

Betty

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>His plan was to move into it permanently upon retirement.

Ah, O.K.  But I'm still a little lost on the "fat
Midwestern tourist" thing.  Where did he think he
was moving to, except to a rather popular tourist
destination?

Or did he have that Voigtlandrian plan of pulling
up the drawbridge once he moved in?

The Quarter has changed, quite a bit for the worse,
as I've mentioned in my previous messages, but I
still think it's cool to live in a place where folks
travel thousands of miles just to have a look and
maybe pick up a vibe.

...and you get no eyerolling from me when you're the
godzillionth lost visitor who asks me how to get to
Pat O's.

"Have fun", I say, and hope they get the joke when
they get there.

--
Richard                      19, 22

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At 04:23 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, richard wrote:
>Or did he have that Voigtlandrian plan of pulling
>up the drawbridge once he moved in?

No drawbridge yet, although ANP is now seriously looking at carrying
capacity for the park.  It's not so much the people per se, it's the people
driving SUVs with which they are unaccustomed, while yakking on cell phones
and deciding that the whole f***ing island is their private parking preserve.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You're up early, Elephant Boy!

Why do Indians tend to be skinny?  I was thinking about that this
morning when behind a couple of Indians in the p.o. line.  I don't
remember ever having seen a fat Indian.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >> Why don't you put them in the serving dishes before you leave in
> >> the morning?
> >
> >Because I don't want to give people food poisoning.
>
> You use poison serving dishes??? Slow-acting poison serving dishes???

Are you, like Karen, talking about putting serving dishes in the
refrigerator?  If so, you also must have a far larger refrigerator than
I do.  And what kind of table do you have that you would be willing to
pull something out of a refrigerator and plop onto?  Or maybe you have
far thicker, more trustworthy trivets than I have.  I also am not
convinced that refrigeration is good for silver.  Don't know why.  Just
a gut feeling.  (And I'm not like these picky people who have ideas like
not putting silver flatware into dishwashers.  I do it every time I use
it since when I use silver is when I'm most likely to use the
dishwasher.  I.e., I don't use the dishwasher much for just me, and I
normally use stainless flatware when it's just me.  I use silver for
dinner parties, and dinner parties mean lots of dishes, and that is when
I use the dishwasher.

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> 20:46 06.02.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
> >I'm not going to tell Spencer that not a single Wordsler inquired about
> >his safe homecoming this afternoon.  He's snoozing on the couch now, as
>
> I hope he is fine now - four days later. We came back home from Bergen yesterday,

Oh yes.  He is indeed fine.  He's disappointed that he didn't get a walk
this afternoon, but my time got eaten up when I got home in making pate
spread and then cleaning the kitchen and the bathrooms.

--
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> And what kind of table do you have that you would be willing to
> pull something out of a refrigerator and plop onto?  Or maybe you have
> far thicker, more trustworthy trivets than I have.  I also am not
> convinced that refrigeration is good for silver.

I can't speak for Bethany, but I don't own any silver, so it
never occurred to me that all of your serving dishes would be
silver. Mine are porcelain or stoneware.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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02003-02-10 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > You're up early, Elephant Boy!
>
> Why do Indians tend to be skinny?  I was thinking about that this
> morning when behind a couple of Indians in the p.o. line.  I don't
> remember ever having seen a fat Indian.

Come to Chicago ...

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clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> At 04:23 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, richard wrote:
>
>> Or did he have that Voigtlandrian plan of pulling
>> up the drawbridge once he moved in?
>
>
> No drawbridge yet, although ANP is now seriously looking at carrying
> capacity for the park.  It's not so much the people per se, it's the people
> driving SUVs with which they are unaccustomed, while yakking on cell phones
> and deciding that the whole f***ing island is their private parking
> preserve.


        One of things I find a little jarring about all the photos of
Acadia is all the *people*.  Yikes.  Around here I'm lucky
if I run into one or two people all day at the parks.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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"RICHARD J. SCHEIDT" wrote:
>
> >His plan was to move into it permanently upon retirement.
>
> Ah, O.K.  But I'm still a little lost on the "fat
> Midwestern tourist" thing.  Where did he think he
> was moving to, except to a rather popular tourist
> destination?

I don't really know.  It's not as if he didn't know NO fairly well.  I
was surprised when he decided to sell the condo and made the "fat
Midwestern tourist" comment.

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>I can't speak for Bethany, but I don't own any silver, so it
>never occurred to me that all of your serving dishes would be
>silver. Mine are porcelain or stoneware.

Mine too. It never occurred to me that putting food into serving dishes
implies banning them from the refrigerator.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I can't speak for Bethany, but I don't own any silver, so it
> never occurred to me that all of your serving dishes would be
> silver. Mine are porcelain or stoneware.

Not all of my serving dishes are silver.  Some are china stuff, whatever
that is called, and the bowls I use for things like nuts are in most
cases wood.  I love wood (though for a big party I also sometimes use
china soup bowls -- the kind with handles -- for nuts).  And I have some
Japanese lacquerware bowls that I sometimes use for some things.  And I
usually put stuff like crackers for spreads in a largish straw basket
with a napkin keeping things from dribbling out through the weaving.
But the things most likely to need refrigeration are usually the things
most likely to be going into silver serving dishes.

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>refrigerator?  If so, you also must have a far larger refrigerator than
>I do.  And what kind of table do you have that you would be willing to
>pull something out of a refrigerator and plop onto?  Or maybe you have
>far thicker, more trustworthy trivets than I have.  I also am not

I have ordinary wooden tables. I occasionally use trivets - they are quite
ordinary.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
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> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >I can't speak for Bethany, but I don't own any silver, so it
> >never occurred to me that all of your serving dishes would be
> >silver. Mine are porcelain or stoneware.
>
> Mine too. It never occurred to me that putting food into serving dishes
> implies banning them from the refrigerator.

As I said, you must have a very spacious refrigerator.  What the serving
platters/dishes are made of isn't related to how much space they
consume, afaik.

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> I'm taking the day off today (except for driving to the dealership so
> they can take off the $2500 alloy wheels that I don't want and

I found myself thinking of you today every time I saw a Honda Element.
How long have they been around?  I don't remember noticing them until
fairly recently, and now they seem to be everywhere I look.

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I should go take pictures of the bags/containers in my refrigerator and
>the serving dishes the items will go into to show you.  But I find it
>strange that you don't understand.  Do you serve things in piles, as
>opposed to spread out on a platter?  Or what about dips and dipping
>carrots/celery?  I put the dip into the center of a silver dip-thingy,
>with the carrots/whatever spread out around the center dip-holder.
>Right now the dip and the carrots and celery are all in very small
>containers piled on top of each other in my refrigerator.  Etc. etc.

I thought it was only one dip that you did not want to be seen taking out
of the original containers. I would not spread out raw vegetables etc.
ahead of time. But I do occasionally serve things in what might be called
<piles> - raw vegetables, for instance.

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I don't understand why food takes up a lot more room if it is in a <serving
> dish> instead of in other kinds of containers.

I should go take pictures of the bags/containers in my refrigerator and
the serving dishes the items will go into to show you.  But I find it
strange that you don't understand.  Do you serve things in piles, as
opposed to spread out on a platter?  Or what about dips and dipping
carrots/celery?  I put the dip into the center of a silver dip-thingy,
with the carrots/whatever spread out around the center dip-holder.
Right now the dip and the carrots and celery are all in very small
containers piled on top of each other in my refrigerator.  Etc. etc.
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I thought it was only one dip that you did not want to be seen taking out
> of the original containers.

I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!

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Weird.  My reply re the containers just hopped right back, but the reply
I wrote before it has vanished -- about wood tables and water stains.
Must be the net goblins at work again.

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Or I guess it's a storm drain.

I chased a cat off the boat today, and it ran down into the storm
drain. Do cats live there, or do they just use them like
squirrels use fences?

Karen
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>===== Original Message From English Language Discussion Group

>As I said, you must have a very spacious refrigerator.  What the serving
>platters/dishes are made of isn't related to how much space they
>consume, afaik.

I don't understand why food takes up a lot more room if it is in a <serving
dish> instead of in other kinds of containers.

Bethany

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 6:25:05 PM, you wrote:
>> I thought it was only one dip that you did not want to be seen taking out
>> of the original containers.

> I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!

I would mind it--I think it's tacky. But it's your party, and you
know all of these people but one. So, whatever.

Karen
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I have ordinary wooden tables. I occasionally use trivets - they are quite
> ordinary.

And putting cold, sweaty serving dishes on your tables doesn't lead to
water spots?  I find that quite surprising.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!
>
> I would mind it--I think it's tacky. But it's your party, and you
> know all of these people but one. So, whatever.

I thought we had concluded that pre-made hummus wasn't tacky.  I don't
like being tacky, but I am certainly not pretentious or faky.  Iow, if I
do something as tacky as buy pre-made hummus, I will certainly not
pretend otherwise.

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 6:43:36 PM, you wrote:
> I thought we had concluded that pre-made hummus wasn't tacky.

No, but I think dumping it into a bowl in front of guests is.
However, there's no need for you to share my sensibility.

Karen
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I have ordinary wooden tables. I occasionally use trivets - they are quite
>> ordinary.
>
>And putting cold, sweaty serving dishes on your tables doesn't lead to
>water spots?  I find that quite surprising.

It never has.

Bethany

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Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?




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> one of my current favorite things in the whole world is this smoked trout
> dip. http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=102070
>
> I could bring some to Snowbash...
>
> Marie

Sounds great! Will it hold for the trip, though? I don't have a food
processor.

I plan to have more of the roasted garlic salsa cream cheese dip that was
such a hit last year. And maybe I'll have hummus, too, for those that don't
like creamy foods. Really, though, historically we haven't snacked much.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!

Then I misunderstood you.

Sorry -

Bethany

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At 06:46 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, rita wrote:
>Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?

Amen, sister.

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At 05:28 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, rita wrote:

>        One of things I find a little jarring about all the photos of
>Acadia is all the *people*.  Yikes.  Around here I'm lucky
>if I run into one or two people all day at the parks.

Well, the same infinite wisdom that decrees that a wordfest should occur
on/about July 4 also pretty much insures lots of people (unless, of course,
the fest is to gather on Annapurna, K-2, Everest, or the Montreal Expos
home park).

Nonetheless, there are places here where one can achieve reasonable
privacy, at least for a while.  We presently are discussing walking/hiking
routes that are among the least-trodden at that time of year.

cwv

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At 06:27 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, February 10, 2003, 6:25:05 PM, you wrote:
> >> I thought it was only one dip that you did not want to be seen taking out
> >> of the original containers.
>
> > I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!
>
>I would mind it--I think it's tacky. But it's your party, and you
>know all of these people but one. So, whatever.

Why is it tacky? There are some excellent prepared dips.  Who cares?

Betty

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At 07:46 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > one of my current favorite things in the whole world is this smoked trout
> > dip. http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=102070
> >
> > I could bring some to Snowbash...
> >
> > Marie
>
>Sounds great! Will it hold for the trip, though? I don't have a food
>processor.
>
>I plan to have more of the roasted garlic salsa cream cheese dip that was
>such a hit last year. And maybe I'll have hummus, too, for those that don't
>like creamy foods. Really, though, historically we haven't snacked much.

When is it again?  :-)  I'm missing it already.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?

When you introduce a competing topic, it might.  What would you like to
talk about?  We could talk about how our Pres is leading us down the
tubes, but actually I'd rather talk about the Westminster Dog Show,
which is taking a commercial break right now.  I keep wondering what the
judge would think when he looked at Spencer's teeth.  They're
beautifully clean now, of course, but their crookedness is still quite
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I thought we had concluded that pre-made hummus wasn't tacky.
>
> No, but I think dumping it into a bowl in front of guests is.
> However, there's no need for you to share my sensibility.

Yep.  I figure that guests who come into the kitchen should expect to
see kitchen work underway, including the dumping of hummus into a dish.

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:27:05 PM, you wrote:

> At 06:27 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Monday, February 10, 2003, 6:25:05 PM, you wrote:
>> >> I thought it was only one dip that you did not want to be seen taking out
>> >> of the original containers.
>>
>> > I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!
>>
>>I would mind it--I think it's tacky. But it's your party, and you
>>know all of these people but one. So, whatever.

> Why is it tacky? There are some excellent prepared dips.  Who cares?

Note that I didn't say that *using* a prepared dip is tacky.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:29:49 PM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > I thought we had concluded that pre-made hummus wasn't tacky.
>>
>> No, but I think dumping it into a bowl in front of guests is.
>> However, there's no need for you to share my sensibility.

> Yep.  I figure that guests who come into the kitchen should expect to
> see kitchen work underway, including the dumping of hummus into a dish.

*From a package* into a dish.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> At 06:46 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, rita wrote:
> >Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?
>
> Amen, sister.

Amen, brother and sister.

         - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >> > I thought we had concluded that pre-made hummus wasn't tacky.
> >>
> >> No, but I think dumping it into a bowl in front of guests is.
> >> However, there's no need for you to share my sensibility.
>
> > Yep.  I figure that guests who come into the kitchen should expect to
> > see kitchen work underway, including the dumping of hummus into a dish.
>
> *From a package* into a dish.

??  Yes -- from a package into a dish.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:32:35 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> > Why is it tacky? There are some excellent prepared dips.  Who cares?
>>
>> Note that I didn't say that *using* a prepared dip is tacky.

> But letting somebody catch you at it is?

As I've said at least once before, no.

> As I said earlier, I've never
> quite caught on to pretention and fakiness.

What I'm attempting to talk about is neither pretentious nor
faky, it's a nicety. But I also find it tacky to put ungarnished
dips on a table. Whatever.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > *From a package* into a dish.
>
> ??  Yes -- from a package into a dish.

I need to get back to the dogshow, but I can't stop pondering the
seeming contradiction.  You say that serving pre-made hummus is ok but
that you shouldn't let your guests know it?  Why not?  I seriously don't
understand that kind of pretention and would like to know more about the
motivation.

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My card says "Cal Travel Card" on it.  It also says Corporate Card.  That's
the one I'll use to make reservations in Portland, Maine.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Why is it tacky? There are some excellent prepared dips.  Who cares?
>
> Note that I didn't say that *using* a prepared dip is tacky.

But letting somebody catch you at it is?  As I said earlier, I've never
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At 07:36 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > At 06:46 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, rita wrote:
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> >
> > Amen, sister.
>
>Amen, brother and sister.

Glory , Alleluia!

BB

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At 07:30 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:27:05 PM, you wrote:
>
> > At 06:27 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>Monday, February 10, 2003, 6:25:05 PM, you wrote:
> >> >> I thought it was only one dip that you did not want to be seen
> taking out
> >> >> of the original containers.
> >>
> >> > I don't mind in the least being seen taking it out of the container!
> >>
> >>I would mind it--I think it's tacky. But it's your party, and you
> >>know all of these people but one. So, whatever.
>
> > Why is it tacky? There are some excellent prepared dips.  Who cares?
>
>Note that I didn't say that *using* a prepared dip is tacky.

Okay.  How are you today?  Any repercussions from the fall?

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What I'm attempting to talk about is neither pretentious nor
> faky, it's a nicety. But I also find it tacky to put ungarnished
> dips on a table. Whatever.

So you find it a nicety to put your pre-made hummus into a home-made
container before putting it into the serving dish?  Do you also pour
moderate-priced wine into expensive wine bottles?  I really, truly don't
get your point.  But now it's back to Madison Square Garden.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:40:15 PM, you wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> > *From a package* into a dish.
>>
>> ??  Yes -- from a package into a dish.

> I need to get back to the dogshow, but I can't stop pondering the
> seeming contradiction.  You say that serving pre-made hummus is ok but
> that you shouldn't let your guests know it?  Why not?  I seriously don't
> understand that kind of pretention and would like to know more about the
> motivation.

It's not a pretention.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:43:45 PM, you wrote:
> So you find it a nicety to put your pre-made hummus into a home-made
> container before putting it into the serving dish?

No, I would find that an absurdity.

> Do you also pour moderate-priced wine into expensive wine
> bottles? I really, truly don't get your point. But now it's
> back to Madison Square Garden.

You clearly don't. But that's okay. I'm sure no one will think
you're tacky.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 7:43:54 PM, you wrote:
> How are you today?  Any repercussions from the fall?

Nope--I totally forgot about it till you mentioned it. Well,
that's not true--I was taking a bath this afternoon and I
couldn't figure out what that red spot on my knee was. Then I
remembered. I should be grateful that I'm only out $6 instead of
$5000 for a new toe.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> When is it again?  :-)  I'm missing it already.
>
> Betty

March 8/9.

I still have the video from last year's SB waiting to be transferred to
regular VHS.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On 10 Feb 2003 at 19:28, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> When you introduce a competing topic, it might.

Okay, how about this one? There's a rumor going around that Bonnie is
planning to organize a baringwitness.org-type demonstration at
Acadiafest. Discuss.


    mem

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Okay, how about this one? There's a rumor going around that Bonnie is
> planning to organize a baringwitness.org-type demonstration at
> Acadiafest. Discuss.

What's to discuss?  The specific setting -- as in whether this is going
to be in the Voigtlander yard or elsewhere?  Whether there will be
others in addition to Wordslers participating?  Whether pictures will be
taken?  What shape we'll form?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> What video?  When was a video taken?  And what's its form if not regular
> VHS?

I had my camcorder sitting on top of the TV. You were there when I announced
it, as well as being there when I switched tapes. It's on camcorder tapes. I
think they're VHS-C.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 2/10/2003 5:45:50 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?
 >>

You sed it! Theo

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:06:08 PM, you wrote:

> On 10 Feb 2003 at 19:28, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> When you introduce a competing topic, it might.

> Okay, how about this one? There's a rumor going around that Bonnie is
> planning to organize a baringwitness.org-type demonstration at
> Acadiafest. Discuss.

Cool!

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?
>>
>
> When you introduce a competing topic, it might.  What would you like to
> talk about?  We could talk about how our Pres is leading us down the
> tubes, but actually I'd rather talk about the Westminster Dog Show,
> which is taking a commercial break right now.  I keep wondering what the
> judge would think when he looked at Spencer's teeth.  They're
> beautifully clean now, of course, but their crookedness is still quite
> amazing.


        The judge would disqualify him for improper bite.
Westminster is the only reason I miss satellite.  Tell me
who wins the sporting group.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 09:03 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > When is it again?  :-)  I'm missing it already.
> >
> > Betty
>
>March 8/9.
>
>I still have the video from last year's SB waiting to be transferred to
>regular VHS.

Is Melanie going to be there?

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > So you find it a nicety to put your pre-made hummus into a home-made
> > container before putting it into the serving dish?
>
> No, I would find that an absurdity.

Then I really, truly am lost.  I thought what horrified you was the
putting of the store-bought hummus straight from the carton into the
serving dish.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I still have the video from last year's SB waiting to be transferred to
> regular VHS.

What video?  When was a video taken?  And what's its form if not regular
VHS?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Is Melanie going to be there?

She isn't sure yet. Probably.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> I still have the video from last year's SB waiting to be transferred to
> regular VHS.

I'm sitting here enjoying my SB memories.  I still remember opening the
door when Lisa arrived and not recognizing her.  And was it last year
that Heather and her chocolate boyfriend came?  No, I think that wasn't
last year.  Year before last?

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> And was it last year
> that Heather and her chocolate boyfriend came?  No, I think that wasn't
> last year.  Year before last?

I think it was 1999. It wasn't last year, and I can't remember if I had one
in 2000 or not.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         The judge would disqualify him for improper bite.

I do wish there were a mutt category.  Even if Spencer's teeth took him
out of contention for a prize, I'd like to watch some of his kindred.
I'm taking another break because I'm tired of terriers.  I hate that the
hounds aren't until tomorrow night, when I'll be cleaning up after the
party.  I love watching hounds.

> Westminster is the only reason I miss satellite.  Tell me
> who wins the sporting group.

I don't think it's been on yet.  Of the working group a newfie won first
place and a boxer third.  Can't remember the others.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        The judge would disqualify him for improper bite.
>>
>
> I do wish there were a mutt category.  Even if Spencer's teeth took him
> out of contention for a prize, I'd like to watch some of his kindred.
> I'm taking another break because I'm tired of terriers.  I hate that the
> hounds aren't until tomorrow night, when I'll be cleaning up after the
> party.  I love watching hounds.


        I'm not sure how they would write a standard for mutts.

        I want a Norfolk Terrier.


>
>>Westminster is the only reason I miss satellite.  Tell me
>>who wins the sporting group.
>>
>
> I don't think it's been on yet.  Of the working group a newfie won first
> place and a boxer third.  Can't remember the others.


        I don't think sporting goes until tomorrow night.  Many of
the Irish entered in the breed competition are related to
Vinnie -- some very closely.  I predict Fonzie (Saxony's
Snow in August) will take it.  He's having a fabulous year.
  His head and expression are very similar to Vinnie -- they
are both spitting images of grandpa Meadowlark Vindicator.

        My sister bought my dad a basset hound for his birthday.  I'm
not sure a puppy is what he needs as he heads into radiation
treatments.  I'm furious at her for buying a puppy from a
puppymill operation.  I could spit, cry, and scream all at
the same time.  All this work I do trying to stop the
abusive farming of dogs, and my own family buys from them.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I'm not sure how they would write a standard for mutts.

They could perhaps use Spencer as the prototype.  Crooked teeth would be
required.

>         My sister bought my dad a basset hound for his birthday.  I'm
> not sure a puppy is what he needs as he heads into radiation

Had he expressed a desire for a dog?  I think giving dogs as gifts is
rarely a good idea.

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>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>  Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?
>
>When you introduce a competing topic, it might.  What would you like to
>talk about?  We could talk about how our Pres is leading us down the
>tubes, but actually I'd rather talk about the Westminster Dog Show,
>which is taking a commercial break right now.  I keep wondering what the
>judge would think when he looked at Spencer's teeth.  They're
>beautifully clean now, of course, but their crookedness is still quite
>amazing.

On the doggy note: Amy won't lie down on the hard floor of the
Element. I had to go to Target yesterday and buy her a bath mat.
Spoiled damn dog.

Janet

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> Okay, how about this one? There's a rumor going around that Bonnie is
> planning to organize a baringwitness.org-type demonstration at
> Acadiafest. Discuss.

I just vomited.

-a

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Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:47:43 PM, you wrote:
>         My sister bought my dad a basset hound for his birthday.  I'm
> not sure a puppy is what he needs as he heads into radiation
> treatments.  I'm furious at her for buying a puppy from a
> puppymill operation.  I could spit, cry, and scream all at
> the same time.  All this work I do trying to stop the
> abusive farming of dogs, and my own family buys from them.

Comfort yourself with the thought that your sister is insane.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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At 08:03 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>  Then I remembered. I should be grateful that I'm only out $6 instead of
>$5000 for a new toe.

Imprecise.  The toe is not new---it is rapidly approaching being 65 years
old.  It is, however, somewhat refurbished.

cwv

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
> I had my camcorder sitting on top of the TV. You were there when I announced
> it, as well as being there when I switched tapes. It's on camcorder tapes. I
> think they're VHS-C.

Hmm.  I have no memory of a camcorder.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:40 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > What video?  When was a video taken?  And what's its form if not regular
> > VHS?
>
>I had my camcorder sitting on top of the TV. You were there when I announced
>it, as well as being there when I switched tapes. It's on camcorder tapes. I
>think they're VHS-C.

Did you get a shot of her splitting pants!

Betty

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In a message dated 02/10/2003 4:31:29 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
Must have gotten a little bit on the outside of the vein.  We used to get
complaints of hot flushing from using the old cheap stuff.


>>

Were they as painful as this was?

I have a question:  I had a friend for the past 5 years; we even thought of
her as family.  Now, she's thrown Mom and me over for a new friend.
I'd tell Kathie when I'd be off from work, and we used to go out to eat
and/or the movies, but now she spends all her free time with her new
friend.  She used to take Mom to Wal-Mart to get the things that we
can't find at Reasor's, and we would pay for her meals and movie
tickets.  I guess Mom's cancer was too much for Kathie to deal with.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:31:37 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  I'm taking the day off today (except for driving to the dealership so
>>  they can take off the $2500 alloy wheels that I don't want and
>
>I found myself thinking of you today every time I saw a Honda Element.
>How long have they been around?  I don't remember noticing them until
>fairly recently, and now they seem to be everywhere I look.

They're new for '03, so they've only been around for a month or two.
I gather they're taking off quite rapidly -- several dealerships told
me they had waiting lists, although the place where I got mine had
three on the lot. Interestingly, while Honda has chosen to market
them to the college-through-young-20s set, the guy who sold me mine
told me that almost all of them he'd sold had gone to middle-aged
people.

They're still pretty rare here, although I saw another one parked on
the street in SF today.

Janet

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>Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:47:43 PM, you wrote:
>>          My sister bought my dad a basset hound for his birthday.  I'm
>>  not sure a puppy is what he needs as he heads into radiation
>>  treatments.  I'm furious at her for buying a puppy from a
>>  puppymill operation.  I could spit, cry, and scream all at
>>  the same time.  All this work I do trying to stop the
>>  abusive farming of dogs, and my own family buys from them.
>
>Comfort yourself with the thought that your sister is insane.

A *basset* *PUPPY* for someone who's ill? Has she ever tried to
housebreak a basset pup?

Janet
who has

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In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:

"Anyone can post messages to the net.  Practically everyone does.  The
resulting cacophony drowns out serious discussion."

Also:

"There are plenty of writers on the Usenet, but few editors.  It shows."

Discuss.

Ken Miller
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Bookrat writes,

>Discuss.

Dude needs blogs and Google.

Pete

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Karen Kay:
= Monday, February 10, 2003, 2:58:18 PM, you wrote:
= > You're being taken if it's expensive.
=
= Ha. At one point, I phoned every grocery store in Austin, and
= found that only one place carried it. It was $3 for 1/2 cup.
=

That's sillyness.

= I changed the recipe.
=

cottage cheese?  yoghurt?  sour cream?

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Marie:

> >I have an exaggerated aversion to white, creamy, saucy food
> >- German salad dressing, sour cream dips, cream cheese,
> >alfredo, kwark - all fit the bill. They make me <shudder>.

>But you like yogurt based foods, right?

I'm genetically programmed to like raita. Other yougurt based
foods - not so much.

>What's kwark?

Creamy stuff I discovered at the breakfast buffet at the
hotel. Comes in strawberry, apriocot/mango flavors. Cow orker
translated it as curds but it doesn't look anything like
what I think of as curds.

Good luck with the frogleg thingummy.

-rashmi


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From: "Rashmi Murthy" <rmirth@hotmail.com>
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... that in Russia and the ex-Soviet Union women receive gifts
on March 8 - International Womens Day.

For some reason that cracks me up.

Give them 3 years and they'll have converted to Valentine's Day.

-rashmi

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Paul:

> > ... that in Russia and the ex-Soviet Union women receive gifts
> > on March 8 - International Womens Day.

>International Women's Day is celebrated in many places.  We have even
>celbrated it
>here on Words-l.

Women on Words-L received gifts on IWD?! I had no idea.

> > For some reason that cracks me up.
>
> > Give them 3 years and they'll have converted to Valentine's Day.

>I wish it could be the other way 'round - that we could convert Valentine's
>Day to
>IWD.

I'm no admirer of the modern day Valentine's Day commercialathon
but IWD sounds kinda hokey to me. I don't see the point.

-rashmi



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Janet Hardy wrote:

> them to the college-through-young-20s set, the guy who sold me mine
> told me that almost all of them he'd sold had gone to middle-aged
> people.

I still don't know who goes with the one that's usually parked near me.
Yesterday my car was nose to rear with it.  I arrived on campus about
6:45 a.m., and the Element wasn't there, but it has to have gotten there
by 7:15 or so since it's impossible to get one of those parking places
after that time.  I'm guessing that that Element driver works somewhere
in my building.  Sooner or later I'll see its driver.  That Element is
army green.  I've seen another army green one in town in a parking lot
(not the same vehicle since it was a parking lot I went to right after
leaving the parked one on the circle) and yesterday was behind a
student-aged-looking girl driving a blue one.

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Betty wrote:

> >I had my camcorder sitting on top of the TV. You were there when I announced
> >it, as well as being there when I switched tapes. It's on camcorder tapes. I
> >think they're VHS-C.
>
> Did you get a shot of her splitting pants!

That would be fun.  I can't remember now where the tv set was and thus
don't know whether I aimed my butt at it.  I've been wearing the
fraternal twin of those pants quite a bit this winter.  Same brand,
style, material, bought the same day, but different color/pattern.  I
always liked the ones I still have better than the split ones I threw
away, so that works out well.  Those pants are growing up.  They're over
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Janet Hardy wrote:

> On the doggy note: Amy won't lie down on the hard floor of the
> Element. I had to go to Target yesterday and buy her a bath mat.
> Spoiled damn dog.

Maybe in hot weather she'll like the hard floor.  But then it doesn't
get hot there.  Also the floor might get hot in hot weather.  I'm just
thinking about how dogs often seek out slick surfaces in summer.  Throw
in a caesura and that sentence would be a good line in an OE poem.

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:

> I always thought that you should use chickpeas, not just any peas, in hoummous. I

Have we discussed before whether there's any difference between
chickpeas and garbanzo beans?  I can't see any difference but am
wondering why the two different names.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> thinking about how dogs often seek out slick surfaces in summer.  Throw
> in a caesura and that sentence would be a good line in an OE poem.

I didn't mean the whole sentence -- just the part after "often."

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>
> Women on Words-L received gifts on IWD?! I had no idea.


at least greetings if not actual physical gifts

> I'm no admirer of the modern day Valentine's Day commercialathon
> but IWD sounds kinda hokey to me. I don't see the point.


Maybe you have to have redder roots to appreciate it.  For me, IWD is a recognition
of the history of the struggle for equality.  Take a look at
http://www.isis.aust.com/iwd/stevens/origins.htm

for some information on the origins of IWD

BrP



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At 10:03 PM 2/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Bookrat writes,
>
>>Discuss.
>
>Dude needs blogs and Google.
>
>Pete

I think that you just proved Stoll's second point.

cwv

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A puppy is always a bad idea for a gift, unless it's a premeditated gift.


Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com


>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
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>To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:08:02 -0600
>
>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>>Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:47:43 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>          My sister bought my dad a basset hound for his birthday.  I'm
>>>>  not sure a puppy is what he needs as he heads into radiation
>>>>  treatments.  I'm furious at her for buying a puppy from a
>>>>  puppymill operation.  I could spit, cry, and scream all at
>>>>  the same time.  All this work I do trying to stop the
>>>>  abusive farming of dogs, and my own family buys from them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Comfort yourself with the thought that your sister is insane.
>>
>>
>>A *basset* *PUPPY* for someone who's ill? Has she ever tried to
>>housebreak a basset pup?
>
>
>        I'm a fussy housekeeper.  My dad is downright
>obsessive-compulsive.
>
>        He did want an adult basset hound.  My opinions on the matter
>are unwelcome.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita


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How does Dell make its other 85%?

|Consumer sales bring in about $4.8 billion a year for Dell, or 15
percent
| of the company's $32 billion in annual revenue.
from: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/02/10/dell.dude.arrest/index.html

(That's a story about the pot arrest of the Dell dude.)

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>I don't think it's been on yet.  Of the working group a newfie won first
>place and a boxer third.  Can't remember the others.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)



Mick, the Kerry Blue, won the Terriers. A Pekingese won the Toys.

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> Or I guess it's a storm drain.
>
> I chased a cat off the boat today, and it ran down into the storm
> drain. Do cats live there, or do they just use them like
> squirrels use fences?


Cats are experts at finding places from which they can see without being seen.

BrP



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> Karen
> "One can't complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday."
>    -Eeyore

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Marie Ascher wrote:
>
> >I don't think it's been on yet.  Of the working group a newfie won first
> >place and a boxer third.  Can't remember the others.
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Mick, the Kerry Blue, won the Terriers. A Pekingese won the Toys.

The others I meant I couldn't remember were the other placers in the
working group.  That was the only one that had had winners announced
when I wrote the above.  The terriers were still doing their thing.
Mick really is impressive.  Isn't he the one going for the Triple
Crown?

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The harmonic convergence of S/B and IWD?


BrP

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steph wrote:

> named him Rusty.  This is a Duh name for the dog.

I was given the honor of naming a dachshund we got when I was in the
fourth grade, and I chose Rusty.  I named him Prince Rufus Rastus Rusty
Brown Maynor I and called him Rusty.  He lived a long and happy life.

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>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.

Who would you choose?

Marie

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At 08:36 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I still have the video from last year's SB waiting to be transferred to
> > regular VHS.
>
>I'm sitting here enjoying my SB memories.  I still remember opening the
>door when Lisa arrived and not recognizing her.  And was it last year
>that Heather and her chocolate boyfriend came?  No, I think that wasn't
>last year.  Year before last?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You will recognize me this year, I look the same. Heather wasn't there last
year.

lisa

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > Mick, the Kerry Blue, won the Terriers. A Pekingese won the Toys.
>
>The others I meant I couldn't remember were the other placers in the
>working group.  That was the only one that had had winners announced
>when I wrote the above.  The terriers were still doing their thing.
>Mick really is impressive.  Isn't he the one going for the Triple
>Crown?

I heard them say he won two best in shows this year. I only watch
Westminster so I don't know what the other Triple Crown defining events are,
if there is such an official thing (Eukenuba??).

I love Mick's coat so much, I just want to reach into my TV and pet him.
I've heard they are a lot of work, but good natured dogs. I truly think I am
going to investigate Kerry Blue breeders in the area. Rita, any opinions? I
grew up with dogs, so I'm not EXACTLY a first time dog owner, although I've
never been the primary human.

Litte bit of trivia, speaking of the Triple Crown: the Westminster dog show
is the second oldest sporting event in the US. Second only to the Kentucky
Derby.

Marie



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This subj line should be changed from "Dip" to "Flea dip"


BrP





> >From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> > > Mick, the Kerry Blue, won the Terriers. A Pekingese won the Toys.
> >
> >The others I meant I couldn't remember were the other placers in the
> >working group.  That was the only one that had had winners announced
> >when I wrote the above.  The terriers were still doing their thing.
> >Mick really is impressive.  Isn't he the one going for the Triple
> >Crown?
>
> I heard them say he won two best in shows this year. I only watch
> Westminster so I don't know what the other Triple Crown defining events are,
> if there is such an official thing (Eukenuba??).
>
> I love Mick's coat so much, I just want to reach into my TV and pet him.
> I've heard they are a lot of work, but good natured dogs. I truly think I am
> going to investigate Kerry Blue breeders in the area. Rita, any opinions? I
> grew up with dogs, so I'm not EXACTLY a first time dog owner, although I've
> never been the primary human.
>
> Litte bit of trivia, speaking of the Triple Crown: the Westminster dog show
> is the second oldest sporting event in the US. Second only to the Kentucky
> Derby.
>
> Marie
>
>
>
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 3:26:03 AM, you wrote:

> ... that in Russia and the ex-Soviet Union women receive gifts
> on March 8 - International Womens Day.

> For some reason that cracks me up.

> Give them 3 years and they'll have converted to Valentine's Day.

I'd rather celebrate International Women's Day instead of
Valentine's Day.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Coming soon to a Congress near you - The Domestic Security Enancement Act of
2003.  This is a long document in pdf - but I think it's worth looking at.


BrP


http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/civil_rights/security_act_2003.pdf

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 6:16:13 AM, you wrote:
> I always thought that you should use chickpeas, not just any peas, in hoummous.

Yes, my 'whirled peas' was a pun on 'world peace'.

> I have also thought of hoummous as being close to what you
> would roll into balls and fry as falafel.

Falafel is chunkier. Does it have tahini in it?

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:32:43 AM, you wrote:
> How does Dell make its other 85%?

Corporate and institutional sales.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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This is the first I've ever noticed Sex:Dog vs. Sex:Bitch.

Marie
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:39:36 AM, you wrote:
> Cats are experts at finding places from which they can see without being seen.

I don't think you can see much from the bottom of a storm drain.

But your statement is really correct. I have been amused to be
working in my back yard and come across a pair of eyes in the
shrubbery.

One morning last week, I looked outside and thought, "What is
that lump of dead vegetation on my lawn? I don't remember dumping
anything there." It was My Cat. She blends into the scenery.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
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Marie Ascher wrote:

> I heard them say he won two best in shows this year. I only watch
> Westminster so I don't know what the other Triple Crown defining events are,
> if there is such an official thing (Eukenuba??).

I've forgotten what the other two were.  And I'm pretty sure that the
commentator said that he had just made up the "Triple Crown" idea but
that that was what it would seem to him to be if Mick wins this one.

> I love Mick's coat so much, I just want to reach into my TV and pet him.
> I've heard they are a lot of work, but good natured dogs. I truly think I am

I kept noticing last night that they were saying things like "good
natured" and "loving" and "good with children" about every breed that
was mentioned.  I began to question the credibility.  Not that I've
known many unnice dogs in my life, but if every dog mentioned was all
those good things, you kind of had to wonder why mention them.

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>From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > >Because I used "negative" words like euphemism to describe it? It's
> > >important in many situations to use archaic euphemisms.
> >
> > Why? For whom?
>
>To distinguish. You have to police people's thinking about the
>library--that it is a distinguished place, different from say
>a laundromat. Words are well known as good policing weapons...

BTW, I'm still thinking about this. I'm pretty sure that I disagree, that
laundromats should be more distinguished, but that libraries should come
down to earth.

Marie

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yesterday, she let me cut some mats out of her fur without
> protesting. But she really likes to play with her teeth.:(

Wasn't that getting pretty intimate?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > How does Dell make its other 85%?
>
> Corporate and institutional sales.

Ah so.  I was thinking of "consumer sales" or whatever it said as
meaning all sales.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 9:12:12 AM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Yesterday, she let me cut some mats out of her fur without
>> protesting. But she really likes to play with her teeth.:(

> Wasn't that getting pretty intimate?

Playing with teeth? Yes. Cutting mats out of her fur? No. That
didn't make her bite me--she sat perfectly still for that. The
teeth came in when I didn't rub the correct ear at the correct
time. Anyway, I do have to disinfect myself afterwards, and so
far that seems to be working.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 9:20:18 AM, you wrote:
>         I believe they also install business networks and hire themselves
> out to support those networks, so there's some corporate and institutional
> service to go with the sales income.

Yep.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

K> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:32:43 AM, you [N. Maynor] wrote:
K> [N]> How does Dell make its other 85%?
K>
K> Corporate and institutional sales.

        I believe they also install business networks and hire themselves
out to support those networks, so there's some corporate and institutional
service to go with the sales income.

--
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Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
A cow orker was obviously talking about the Dell dude's arrest earlier
this morning, but I didn't know what he was talking about until now.
"Dude, you're goin' to jail!"

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= >>        I want a Norfolk Terrier.

My mom got a Norwich Terrier in October or so.  He was so
terrified of being out in the world that he didn't know how to go
for a walk when she first got him.  He was fine at the dog park
with the other dogs though.  I think he's doing better now.  She
named him Rusty.  This is a Duh name for the dog.  I think he's
got a hip problem, but that's being researched.

My step mom just got a cockapoo puppy.  She named him Tevye.   My dad
says it's the most fun he's ever had with his clothes on.

You know who's enjoying all the dogs the most though?  Nana.  She
gets to spend time with both of them, and started out just as
terrified of Rusty as he was of her.

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Natalie Maynor:
= "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
= >
= > This subj line should be changed from "Dip" to "Flea dip"
=
= Nah.  We now live in The Age of Advantage, thank goodness.
=

That stuff is nasty poison.  I remember what it was like to be
covered in flea bites, but that stuff has got to make the cat
feel like I did on malaria medicine.  Ugh.

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Child Passenger Safety Week.

44% of the children admitted to the local hospital for
MVA-related injuries were not restrained at all.

Karen
"One can't complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday."
   -Eeyore

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Wasn't that getting pretty intimate?
>
> Playing with teeth? Yes. Cutting mats out of her fur? No. That
> didn't make her bite me--she sat perfectly still for that. The

I just meant being <that close>.

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steph wrote:

> = Nah.  We now live in The Age of Advantage, thank goodness.
> =
>
> That stuff is nasty poison.  I remember what it was like to be
> covered in flea bites, but that stuff has got to make the cat
> feel like I did on malaria medicine.  Ugh.

I've never noticed any reaction to it in Bernard or Spencer -- as in any
hint that it made them feel bad.  Or Buddy.  Spencer hates the moment of
the squirt and a few minutes after that, but then he seems perfectly
happy.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 10:30:34 AM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > Wasn't that getting pretty intimate?
>>
>> Playing with teeth? Yes. Cutting mats out of her fur? No. That
>> didn't make her bite me--she sat perfectly still for that. The

> I just meant being <that close>.

As I said, I disinfect afterwards.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 10:53:22 AM, you wrote:
> What's her name?

What is this obsessive need you have to name things?

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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>
> What is this obsessive need you have to name things?


Do you mean - what is the obsession called?

BrP




>
> Karen
> "In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
> while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I just meant being <that close>.
>
> As I said, I disinfect afterwards.

    So did I, and found out that it <doesn't work>.  Watch the site like
a hawk.

JMW

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At 08:49 AM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:39:36 AM, you wrote:
> > Cats are experts at finding places from which they can see without
> being seen.
>
>I don't think you can see much from the bottom of a storm drain.
>
>But your statement is really correct. I have been amused to be
>working in my back yard and come across a pair of eyes in the
>shrubbery.
>
>One morning last week, I looked outside and thought, "What is
>that lump of dead vegetation on my lawn? I don't remember dumping
>anything there." It was My Cat. She blends into the scenery.

What's her name?

Betty

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 11:07:54 AM, you wrote:

>>
>> What is this obsessive need you have to name things?


> Do you mean - what is the obsession called?

LOL. No, I mean, "What underlies this obsessive need you have to
name things?"

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:31:47 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The Hours
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  them to the college-through-young-20s set, the guy who sold me mine
>>  told me that almost all of them he'd sold had gone to middle-aged
>>  people.
>
>I still don't know who goes with the one that's usually parked near me.
>Yesterday my car was nose to rear with it.  I arrived on campus about
>6:45 a.m., and the Element wasn't there, but it has to have gotten there
>by 7:15 or so since it's impossible to get one of those parking places
>after that time.  I'm guessing that that Element driver works somewhere
>in my building.  Sooner or later I'll see its driver.  That Element is
>army green.  I've seen another army green one in town in a parking lot
>(not the same vehicle since it was a parking lot I went to right after
>leaving the parked one on the circle) and yesterday was behind a
>student-aged-looking girl driving a blue one.

I wanted a green one, but those only are available in the more
expensive EX model, which I couldn't afford -- mine is a totally
stripped DX except for a stereo, which I insisted on. It's silver.

Janet

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:33:48 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>= >>        I want a Norfolk Terrier.
>
>My mom got a Norwich Terrier in October or so.  He was so
>terrified of being out in the world that he didn't know how to go
>for a walk when she first got him.  He was fine at the dog park
>with the other dogs though.  I think he's doing better now.  She
>named him Rusty.  This is a Duh name for the dog.  I think he's
>got a hip problem, but that's being researched.
>
>My step mom just got a cockapoo puppy.  She named him Tevye.   My dad
>says it's the most fun he's ever had with his clothes on.
>
>You know who's enjoying all the dogs the most though?  Nana.  She
>gets to spend time with both of them, and started out just as
>terrified of Rusty as he was of her.

I was at the dog park with Amy the other day ("Hardy Dog Park," BTW),
when I heard a woman nearby calling "Joe! Here, Joe!" I looked to see
who she was calling -- and he was, of course, a handsome black cocker.

Janet

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:35:42 -0800
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>  >From: Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM>
>>  > >Because I used "negative" words like euphemism to describe it? It's
>>  > >important in many situations to use archaic euphemisms.
>>  >
>>  > Why? For whom?
>>
>>To distinguish. You have to police people's thinking about the
>>library--that it is a distinguished place, different from say
>>a laundromat. Words are well known as good policing weapons...
>
>BTW, I'm still thinking about this. I'm pretty sure that I disagree, that
>laundromats should be more distinguished, but that libraries should come
>down to earth.

There's BrainWash, a good laundromat in the SoMa area of San
Francisco, which includes a pretty good cafe, several pinball
machines, and live comedy a couple of nights a week.

Janet

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>
>    My favorite headline was, "Dude!  You're gettin' a cell!"

He should have known better--everyone knows that MJ is a Gateway drug.

/Jim
(credit Usenet)

>
>JMW

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On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Marie Ascher wrote:
> BTW, I'm still thinking about this. I'm pretty sure that I disagree, that
> laundromats should be more distinguished, but that libraries should come
> down to earth.

I meant to add this datum earlier:  SF Public Library still doesn't
require a library card for access to its computers.  I wonder why it's so
much more liberal in this regard than Berkeley.

SF doesn't even require that you sign in for a temporary day pass, as
Berkeley used to.

Maybe because of the demographics of the homeless populations in each
city?  Like, more Koczinsky (spelling) types in Berkeley, or every single
homeless person in Berkeley has an e-mail address, while in SF only maybe
50% do?

Or maybe the bureaucracy works slower in San Francisco.

Ann

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>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 9:59:37 AM, you wrote:
>>  I meant to add this datum earlier:  SF Public Library still doesn't
>>  require a library card for access to its computers.  I wonder why it's so
>>  much more liberal in this regard than Berkeley.
>
>This *is* odd.
>
>>  Maybe because of the demographics of the homeless populations in each
>>  city?
>
>Berkeley PL is restrictive about its bathrooms, too, I remember.

Apparently Oakland is trying to close down the little bitty branch
near my house. There are petitions all over the neighborhood. As I
haven't changed my voter registration to my new address yet, I
haven't been able to sign one.

Janet

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>Child Passenger Safety Week.
>
>44% of the children admitted to the local hospital for
>MVA-related injuries were not restrained at all.

Here's another one: an ER nurse once told me that, after auto
accidents, the single major cause of injuries to children she saw was
due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
in the kid-space is still a rarity.

Janet

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Janet Hardy:
= >steph wrote:
= >
= >>  = Nah.  We now live in The Age of Advantage, thank goodness.
= >>  =
= >>
= >>  That stuff is nasty poison.  I remember what it was like to be
= >>  covered in flea bites, but that stuff has got to make the cat
= >>  feel like I did on malaria medicine.  Ugh.
= >
= >I've never noticed any reaction to it in Bernard or Spencer -- as in any
= >hint that it made them feel bad.  Or Buddy.  Spencer hates the moment of
= >the squirt and a few minutes after that, but then he seems perfectly
= >happy.
=
= Likewise Amy. She reacts the way she reacts to anything that smells
= bad to her -- shoves her nose along the carpet while moaning like a
= banshee and sneezing a time or two -- and then forgets the whole
= thing and is fine ten minutes later.
=
= Janet

Murph acted kind of woozy and out of it for a whole day both
times we put it on him.  Then again, I can't remember where the
flea drops fit in with the whole insulin thing, so maybe it was
some combination of weirded out blood sugar with the flea drops.

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That "The Pianist" is about someone I know? Well, the father of
someone I know.

Karen
"One can't complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday."
   -Eeyore

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At 09:11 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>
>Who would you choose?
>
>Marie

Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
Marie, no freakin' way!

lisa

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>> "There are plenty of writers on the Usenet, but few editors.  It shows."
>
>> Discuss.
>
>The latter is why so many people have given up on Usenet, that's
>clear.
>
>I'm not sure why he singles out Usenet.
>
>Karen

His book was published in 1995.  A lot of the examples he uses seem
quaintly old-fashioned now, but the generalizations he draws from them are,
I think, still applicable to modern internet culture.

Ken Miller
Clifford Stoll School of Mediation Studies

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 1:18:55 PM, you wrote:

> At 11:06 AM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 10:53:22 AM, you wrote:
>> > What's her name?
>>
>>What is this obsessive need you have to name things?

> I don't name "things".  I name animals and people.

Ah, okay. I don't name either.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> That "The Pianist" is about someone I know? Well, the father of
> someone I know.
>
> Karen

Details please.

     - D. M.

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At 02:08 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:11 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>>
>>Who would you choose?
>>
>>Marie
>
>Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
>Marie, no freakin' way!

Let's all guess.

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At 09:00 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
> > Okay, how about this one? There's a rumor going around that Bonnie is
> > planning to organize a baringwitness.org-type demonstration at
> > Acadiafest. Discuss.
>
>I just vomited.
>
>-a

If that's the case, I don't want to be near -a.

lisa

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 1:30:49 PM, you wrote:

> At 02:08 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>At 09:11 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>>>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>>>
>>>Who would you choose?
>>>
>>>Marie
>>
>>Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
>>Marie, no freakin' way!

> Let's all guess.

I think she'd go straight (ha ha!) for Natalie.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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At 11:41 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>At 09:38 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>Child Passenger Safety Week.
>>>>
>>>>44% of the children admitted to the local hospital for
>>>>MVA-related injuries were not restrained at all.
>>>
>>>Here's another one: an ER nurse once told me that, after auto
>>>accidents, the single major cause of injuries to children she saw was
>>>due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
>>>in the kid-space is still a rarity.
>>
>>I witnessed an accident yesterday driving home.  The guy didn't even drop
>>his cell phone during the collision.
>
>I'm hoping that driving a manual transmission will break me of my
>nasty habit of yapping on the phone while driving.
>
>Janet

It won't, especially if you have a headset.

lisa

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At 01:43 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 1:30:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> > At 02:08 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >>At 09:11 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
> >>>>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
> >>>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
> >>>
> >>>Who would you choose?
> >>>
> >>>Marie
> >>
> >>Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
> >>Marie, no freakin' way!
>
> > Let's all guess.
>
>I think she'd go straight (ha ha!) for Natalie.

har har. What makes you think that?

lisa

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At 11:30 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 02:08 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>At 09:11 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>>>>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>>>
>>>Who would you choose?
>>>
>>>Marie
>>
>>Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
>>Marie, no freakin' way!
>
>Let's all guess.

Why don't you bid. Highest bidder gets to be next to me.

lisa
cash only please

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 2:55:48 AM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay:
> = Monday, February 10, 2003, 2:58:18 PM, you wrote:
= >> You're being taken if it's expensive.
> =
> = Ha. At one point, I phoned every grocery store in Austin, and
> = found that only one place carried it. It was $3 for 1/2 cup.
> =

> That's sillyness.

> = I changed the recipe.
> =

> cottage cheese?  yoghurt?  sour cream?

Kefir cheese.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 10:08:47 AM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< Do you mean - what is the obsession called?

BrP
 >>

LOL Theo

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At 02:37 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 02:26 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, lisa wrote:
>>At 12:57 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>>; moreover, some mommys
>>>seem to have the notion that they are driving a school bus.
>>>
>>>cwv
>>
>>Meaning you have to stop when they do?
>
>To begin with, yes.  They also come down the middle of the aisle, presuming
>upon the right-of-way.   The same presumption seems to hold when they turn
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>
>cwv

They probably can't see around the kid. Give 'em a break.  Watch your toe!

Betty

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> >I witnessed an accident yesterday driving home.  The guy didn't even drop
> >his cell phone during the collision.
>
> I'm hoping that driving a manual transmission will break me of my
> nasty habit of yapping on the phone while driving.
>
> Janet

New York has outlwed all but hands-free cell phone use by drivers.

BrP

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02003-02-10 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 2/10/2003 5:45:50 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?

In 1991.

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Is this for real? Does anyone know?

Bethany

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:03:48 -0500
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To: dumasb@utk.edu
Subject: John Olsson's report on plagiarism by William Langewiesche in
    Atlantic Monthly Magazine, published by Farrar,Straus

Dear Dr. Dumas,
My late husband, Stephen Jay Gould, and I were very active in helping the
WTC recovery efforts through our not-for-profit,
www.artscienceresearchlab.org . Our group is made up of firefighters,
construction workers, Port Authority police, NYPD, Chaplains and volunteers
"of all stripes"( Mike Daly, NY Daily News) that ran the actual operations
from Sept.11,2001 through July 2, 2002. William Langewiesche's book was
rushed to press. Basic fact checking was not done, including asking for a
response from groups he charges with serious acts of misconduct.  Our
research has led to a discovery of plagiarism.The book is now up for the
National Book Critics Circle Award, to be given out Feb. 26 2003. I have
attached two files for your possible review and in addition, our cover
letter to the committee. I hope you will consider helping us. This is a
very high profile case and a lot is at stake.  As you know , academic
discussion is greatly dependent on self-regulation and not-for-profit
motives (there is no 811 to call for the academic
police)..
This cover letter was sent out yesterday with the two attached files;  Many
thanks for your consideration. Any advise or help would be very much
appreciated
Sincerely yours,  Rhonda Roland Shearer, Director, Art Science Research
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Let's all guess.
>
> I think she'd go straight (ha ha!) for Natalie.

Thank you.  Or I guess thank you.  Why me?  Because I have clean feet?
I usually do, except when I've been barefooted in mud, but mud isn't
really all that dirty.  And my Thai footrot is gone.

--
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>How does Dell make its other 85%?

Corporate and governmental. Before the "Steven" character, Dell had rather
poor visibility with the home consumer. He has made a lot of money for Dell,
but unfortunately they were growing tired of him anyway and looking for a
convenient way to jettison him, and this arrest will undoubtedly supply them
with justification.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> New York has outlwed all but hands-free cell phone use by drivers.

Haven't studies shown that hands aren't the problem -- that it's brain
involvement -- that there are just as many more (than average) wrecks
upon hands-free cellphone drivers as among hands-on ones?

--
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>
> > New York has outlwed all but hands-free cell phone use by drivers.
>
> Haven't studies shown that hands aren't the problem -- that it's brain
> involvement -- that there are just as many more (than average) wrecks
> upon hands-free cellphone drivers as among hands-on ones?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, I think I have heard that the issue is attention and not manual control.  This,
however, has not stopped NY from passing and strictly enforcing hand use. I think
we're the only state with such a law.  I think I heard that Ontario is considering it.
Tony?

BrP

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On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

>>Is this for real? Does anyone know?
>>
>>Bethany
>>
>
>I would think it is real. Contact the NY Attorney's General office for more
>info.

Good idea - I will.

Thanks,
Bethany

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 1:51:00 PM, you wrote:

> At 01:43 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 1:30:49 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > At 02:08 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>At 09:11 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Marie Ascher wrote:
>> >>>>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>> >>>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>> >>>
>> >>>Who would you choose?
>> >>>
>> >>>Marie
>> >>
>> >>Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
>> >>Marie, no freakin' way!
>>
>> > Let's all guess.
>>
>>I think she'd go straight (ha ha!) for Natalie.

> har har. What makes you think that?

> lisa

No particular reason. Just a gut response.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bethany K. Dumas
>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:33 PM
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>
>
>Is this for real? Does anyone know?
>
>Bethany
>

I would think it is real. Contact the NY Attorney's General office for more
info.



alec

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>There's BrainWash, a good laundromat in the SoMa area of San
>Francisco, which includes a pretty good cafe, several pinball
>machines, and live comedy a couple of nights a week.

I saw Anders Osbourne (sp?) perform in a laundromat in New Orleans.

Marie

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From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>Haven't studies shown that hands aren't the problem -- that it's brain
>involvement -- that there are just as many more (than average) wrecks
>upon hands-free cellphone drivers as among hands-on ones?

>From today's New York Times:

Safety: Cellphone Peril, Hands-On or Off
By ERIC NAGOURNEY

Drivers who use hands-free cellphones thinking that they are safer than
hand-held ones are still more prone to accidents than other drivers, a new
study reports.

The new study, which appears in the March issue of The Journal of
Experimental Psychology: Applied, finds that hands-free phones do not
address the problem of what researchers called "inattention blindness."

...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/11/health/11SAFE.html

Marie


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= >Most people buy premade hummus.
=
= I always thought that you should use chickpeas, not just any peas, in hoummous.

Yes.

= I have also thought of hoummous as being close to what you would roll into balls and fry as falafel.

Yes. It is close.  Someone's recipe had cumin in it, and for me
that's the defining spice.  Hummous shouldn't have cumin,
otherwise it's tasting like felafel.

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=
= I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
=
= lisa

I hadn't thought of that.  I'm thinking, as long as their feet
are clean...

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=
= New York has outlwed all but hands-free cell phone use by drivers.
=
= BrP

So has .nl, but that didn't seem to have stopped anyone.  But now
it's about a year later, and I don't see nearly so many people
with their phone in their hands, so maybe it actually has.  Eithr
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:12:17 PM, you wrote:
> I think Kerry Blue coats need to be stripped a couple of times
> a year, which isn't hard. Just don't shave them down.

What's the difference between stripping a coat and shaving?

I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:12:17 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Marie Ascher wrote:

>> From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>> > Mick, the Kerry Blue, won the Terriers. A Pekingese won the Toys.
>>
>> The others I meant I couldn't remember were the other placers in the
>> working group.  That was the only one that had had winners announced
>> when I wrote the above.  The terriers were still doing their thing.
>> Mick really is impressive.  Isn't he the one going for the Triple
>> Crown?
>
>
> I heard them say he won two best in shows this year. I only watch
> Westminster so I don't know what the other Triple Crown defining events
> are,
> if there is such an official thing (Eukenuba??).


        Probably the Kerry Blue National Specialty and the National
Dog Show or maybe Crufts in England.


> I love Mick's coat so much, I just want to reach into my TV and pet him.
> I've heard they are a lot of work, but good natured dogs. I truly think
> I am
> going to investigate Kerry Blue breeders in the area. Rita, any opinions? I
> grew up with dogs, so I'm not EXACTLY a first time dog owner, although I've
> never been the primary human.


A nice coat is a lot of work, but I find it kind of relaxing
to fuss over the dogs.  Except when I bust my $125 clippers
(bummer).  I think Kerry Blue coats need to be stripped a
couple of times a year, which isn't hard.  Just don't shave
them down.

I think they're a pretty dog, but I ruled them out because
they are standoffish and often don't get along with other
dogs -- especially other males.  I like an affectionate dog,
and I can't have a dog that scraps with other dogs because I
have so many in and out of the house -- my own guys, various
dogs I babysit, foster dogs, etc.  Those are deal breakers
for me.  Irish setters need lots of exercise and like to get
in trouble -- right up my alley :).

My advice is to go to the breed club site and read what is
there, especially the bad stuff.  Then start talking to
breeders.  A good breeder will try to dissaude you with all
the bad stuff.  You should ask questions about health
problems in the breed and what tends to run in their lines
(no breeding program is perfect).  You want a pet quality
pup from a show litter, essentially.  Then be prepared to
wait for a pup.  The breeder will want to check you out
pretty well, make sure you know what's involved, and
probably sign a contract saying that you'll give the dog
back to the breeder if you should have to give it up for any
reason.  The pup will come to you already neutered or with
only a limited registration (AKC registered as unbreedable).

That's the basics.  Go to a dog show and take a look at a few.




--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:12:17 PM, you wrote:
>
>>I think Kerry Blue coats need to be stripped a couple of times
>>a year, which isn't hard. Just don't shave them down.
>>
>
> What's the difference between stripping a coat and shaving?


        Stripping is done with a special comb that takes out the
undercoat while leaving the nice silky part of the coat.


> I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...


        I hope not.




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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:23:59 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:12:17 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>I think Kerry Blue coats need to be stripped a couple of times
>>>a year, which isn't hard. Just don't shave them down.
>>>
>>
>> What's the difference between stripping a coat and shaving?


>         Stripping is done with a special comb that takes out the
> undercoat while leaving the nice silky part of the coat.

Like thinning shears on human hair?

>> I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...


>         I hope not.

No, this would be cruel. But I do need something like a stripping
comb.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 1:39:08 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< 02003-02-10 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 2/10/2003 5:45:50 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> << Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?

In 1991.
 >>

Hey, leave me out of this discussion, please! Theo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:23:59 PM, you wrote:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:12:17 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think Kerry Blue coats need to be stripped a couple of times
>>>>a year, which isn't hard. Just don't shave them down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>What's the difference between stripping a coat and shaving?
>>>
>
>
>>        Stripping is done with a special comb that takes out the
>>undercoat while leaving the nice silky part of the coat.
>>
>
> Like thinning shears on human hair?


        No, not at all.  It does have an equivalent in a type of
straight razor I use sometimes on the dog.  Maryanne?
Something like that.  It's like a razor under a comb.


>
>>>I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...
>>>
>
>
>>        I hope not.
>>
>
> No, this would be cruel. But I do need something like a stripping
> comb.
>


        Try either a grooming mitt or a zoom groom.  Those are good
for shedding.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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02003-02-11 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 2/11/2003 1:39:08 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << 02003-02-10 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> > In a message dated 2/10/2003 5:45:50 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
> >
> > << Jesus God when *will* this thread go away?
>
> In 1991.
>  >>
>
> Hey, leave me out of this discussion, please! Theo

You are the one who got into it.

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At 04:16 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

>I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...

Before you try to find out, make sure that your credit at the blood bank is
good.

cwv

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:34:02 PM, you wrote:
>> Like thinning shears on human hair?

>         No, not at all.  It does have an equivalent in a type of
> straight razor I use sometimes on the dog.  Maryanne?
> Something like that.  It's like a razor under a comb.

I thought that's what thinning shears were.

>> No, this would be cruel. But I do need something like a stripping
>> comb.

>         Try either a grooming mitt or a zoom groom.  Those are good
> for shedding.

I'll look into these, thanks. She self-grooms, of course, but she looks
pretty ratty sometimes, especially when she hides in the leaves
when it's cold.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 3:04:38 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< So has .nl, but that didn't seem to have stopped anyone. >>

There are stupid drivers, even in my former homeland. Theo

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:36:27 PM, you wrote:

> At 04:16 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

>>I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...

> Before you try to find out, make sure that your credit at the blood bank is
> good.

LOL--and the cat!

I wouldn't really risk this. I was surprised she let me cut
those mats out, to be honest.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 3:39:00 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<< > Hey, leave me out of this discussion, please! Theo

You are the one who got into it.
 >>

All I did was beg for it's conclusion. That's NOT getting involved IMO. Theo

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...

    Boo (Bradley, the cat; not Boo the brewer) got a "lion cut" every
year when it started to get hot.  Not only did it get rid of the mats
that he defended in extremis but it was much more comfortable for him in
general.  Kinda goofy looking, though.  It was almost worth the money to
watch him limply turn into "Jello cat" and let them do anything at all
to him, the vicious monster.  How'd they do that?

JMW

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:57:06 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...

>     Boo (Bradley, the cat; not Boo the brewer) got a "lion cut" every
> year when it started to get hot.  Not only did it get rid of the mats
> that he defended in extremis but it was much more comfortable for him in
> general.  Kinda goofy looking, though.  It was almost worth the money to
> watch him limply turn into "Jello cat" and let them do anything at all
> to him, the vicious monster.  How'd they do that?

It's in the touch, I'm convinced. Confidence goes a long way.

One thing I've noticed about this cat is that she doesn't purr
very loudly, and she kinds of squeaks when she meows.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 8:33:27 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I'd rather celebrate International Women's Day instead of
Valentine's Day.


>>

Same here.  I feel about Valentine's Day the way Scrooge felt
about Christmas before Marley and the three spirits visited him.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
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cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 7:30:45 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Have we discussed before whether there's any difference between
chickpeas and garbanzo beans?
>>

In Akron, they are chickpeas and are in salad bars; in Tulsa, they
are garbanzo beans and are not in any salad bar but they are in
the Mexican section of the stores.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 12:03:09 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:


>>

What else has he written?  His name sounds familiar.

Evelyn Duncan
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 4:36:54 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
No, not at all.  It does have an equivalent in a type of
straight razor I use sometimes on the dog.  Maryanne?
Something like that.  It's like a razor under a comb.

>>

Oh, Mom used to use that on us to cut our hair when we
were kids.  She used to pull too tightly.

Evelyn Duncan
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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At 09:33 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>= >>        I want a Norfolk Terrier.
>>
>>My mom got a Norwich Terrier in October or so.  He was so
>>terrified of being out in the world that he didn't know how to go
>>for a walk when she first got him.  He was fine at the dog park
>>with the other dogs though.  I think he's doing better now.  She
>>named him Rusty.  This is a Duh name for the dog.  I think he's
>>got a hip problem, but that's being researched.
>>
>>My step mom just got a cockapoo puppy.  She named him Tevye.   My dad
>>says it's the most fun he's ever had with his clothes on.
>>
>>You know who's enjoying all the dogs the most though?  Nana.  She
>>gets to spend time with both of them, and started out just as
>>terrified of Rusty as he was of her.
>
>I was at the dog park with Amy the other day ("Hardy Dog Park," BTW),
>when I heard a woman nearby calling "Joe! Here, Joe!" I looked to see
>who she was calling -- and he was, of course, a handsome black cocker.

Should have named him Peter.

Betty

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:09:46 -0800
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>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>  I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...
>
>     Boo (Bradley, the cat; not Boo the brewer) got a "lion cut" every
>year when it started to get hot.  Not only did it get rid of the mats
>that he defended in extremis but it was much more comfortable for him in
>general.  Kinda goofy looking, though.  It was almost worth the money to
>watch him limply turn into "Jello cat" and let them do anything at all
>to him, the vicious monster.  How'd they do that?

Tom & Katy's cat Zippy was a long-haired black cat. When the two of
them moved in together, Zippy set Tom's allergies into overdrive, so
they used to send him for a lion cut. He looked as silly as any
animal I've ever seen -- exactly like the Warner Brothers cartoon of
the Martian.

Janet

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02003-02-11 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >How does Dell make its other 85%?
>
> Corporate and governmental. Before the "Steven" character, Dell had rather
> poor visibility with the home consumer. He has made a lot of money for Dell,
> but unfortunately they were growing tired of him anyway and looking for a
> convenient way to jettison him, and this arrest will undoubtedly supply
> them with justification.

What a weirdo

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 5:22:13 PM, you wrote:

> In a message dated 02/11/2003 12:03:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM writes:

> <<
> In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:


>>>

> What else has he written?  His name sounds familiar.

Cuckoo's Egg or Nest or something like that.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:35:12 -0600
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 5:28:37 PM, you wrote:
> In a message dated 02/11/2003 11:15:34 AM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> What is this obsessive need you have to name things?


>>>

> Everything has a name; maybe this kitty hasn't let you know
> what its name is. I know I would not have named Sweetie
> "Sweetie"; I would have named her something that reflects
> her wild nature.  Maybe Mogadore, after the Wildcats (the
> high school's sports teams).

Naming this cat is so not important to me.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:42:34 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Did you get additional whippings yesterday?
>
>Hope it was a good one.

No, it may require a week or two of healing time before I embark on
that sort of activity again ;) Yes, it was a *very* good one -- a
great dinner followed by a lovely scene, surrounded by all my friends.

Thanks,
Janet

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Did you get additional whippings yesterday?

Hope it was a good one.

Betty

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At 11:05 PM 2/11/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>= >>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>= >>
>= >>Who would you choose?
>= >>
>= >>Marie
>= >
>= >Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
>= >Marie, no freakin' way!
>=
>= Let's all guess.
>
>You first BB.

I guess Rita.

Betty

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 6:42:34 PM, you wrote:
> No, it may require a week or two of healing time before I embark on
> that sort of activity again ;) Yes, it was a *very* good one -- a
> great dinner followed by a lovely scene, surrounded by all my friends.

HB from me, too. I'm glad it was a good one!

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 6:43:34 PM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Cuckoo's Egg or Nest or something like that.

>>

Cuckoo's Egg, that's right.  I used to have a copy of it;
I'll have to check to see if it's still in print.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 6:43:38 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Naming this cat is so not important to me.

>>

That's what I thought with my first cat.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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At 12:05 PM 2/11/2003 -0800, betty wrote:

>They probably can't see around the kid. Give 'em a break.  Watch your toe!

No, the kid is below their line of sight---riding in the seat of the
plastic auto/trolley/boat/etc.

cwv

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HB, Janet!

Bethany

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Janet, may all your wishes come true.

Evelyn Duncan
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"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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ew... 'wishing you whatever you most want...

'Sincerely, Alan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> Did you get additional whippings yesterday?
>
> Hope it was a good one.
>
> Betty

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Let us take a break from constant unrelieved discussions of topics
of such frighteningly mundane and domestic nature that they threaten
to darken our very souls. Write about dadaism or some asshole person
you saw on the train etc. NO CATS, NO CHICK PEAS. Thanks ...

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> I wish it could be the other way 'round - that we could convert
> Valentine's Day to IWD.

What about the men, then, who benefit from Valentine's Day? How do they
celebrate IWD? Seems like a sexist plot to me. ;)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:28:02 PM, you wrote:
> Let us take a break from constant unrelieved discussions of topics
> of such frighteningly mundane and domestic nature that they threaten
> to darken our very souls. Write about dadaism or some asshole person
> you saw on the train etc. NO CATS, NO CHICK PEAS. Thanks ...

But, but... WE DON'T HAVE A TRAIN HERE!!!!

As for dadaism--that's a good description of my life at the
moment.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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02003-02-11 | Karen Kay <Karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:28:02 PM, you wrote:
> > Let us take a break from constant unrelieved discussions of topics
> > of such frighteningly mundane and domestic nature that they threaten
> > to darken our very souls. Write about dadaism or some asshole person
> > you saw on the train etc. NO CATS, NO CHICK PEAS. Thanks ...
>
> But, but... WE DON'T HAVE A TRAIN HERE!!!!
>
> As for dadaism--that's a good description of my life at the
> moment.

OK, back to cats and chick peas ...

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> Apparently Oakland is trying to close down the little bitty branch
> near my house. There are petitions all over the neighborhood. As I
> haven't changed my voter registration to my new address yet, I
> haven't been able to sign one.
>
> Janet

Springfield just closed 3 branches as a result of cutbacks in state aid.
*sigh*

http://www.masslive.com/news/unionnews/index.ssf?/base/news-0/10449729231108
81.xml

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
> in the kid-space is still a rarity.

Really? Hm, I guess you're right - I've only noticed them at the supermarket
at which I do the majority of my shopping. One of the other chain's carts
have cupholders, though.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com
distressed that one local chain he hates has bought out another he likes

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> these large plastic combination shopping carts and toy vehicles.  They
> might well serve to keep the kids quiet(er) while mommy fills the basket,
> but they sure as hell are unwieldy in the aisles; moreover, some mommys
> seem to have the notion that they are driving a school bus.
>
> cwv

We have those here, too, and the worst is when the adult lets the kids have
that cart to themselves while he/she uses a regular one.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 7:35:06 PM Central Standard Time,
scribble@POBOX.COM writes:

<<
Let us take a break from constant unrelieved discussions of topics
of such frighteningly mundane and domestic nature that they threaten
to darken our very souls.
>>

Too late for me; my soul is dark.  But if you want another topic:
what is a good DVD player to buy:  the first season of Angel is
coming out on DVD, and there's a renovated version of Metropolis
coming out; gotta have that one!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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from a WPost story about navel-piercing:

>Worse, once piercing becomes commonplace among people like, well, Leslie,
the trendsetters up the ante with other forms of body alteration: cutting
(scarification as adornment), branding (searing flesh with high heat in
artistic patterns) and -- please don't eat during this next sentence --
tongue splitting, in which the tongue is cleaved nearly in half so as to
cause it to fork like a lizard's. Last month the Air Force specifically
banned this form of body alteration. That fighting force also prohibited
filing teeth (for a vampire appearance) and implanting objects under the
skin (for a 3-D effect).<

Bethany

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:58:23 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>from a WPost story about navel-piercing:
>
>>Worse, once piercing becomes commonplace among people like, well, Leslie,
>the trendsetters up the ante with other forms of body alteration: cutting
>(scarification as adornment), branding (searing flesh with high heat in
>artistic patterns) and -- please don't eat during this next sentence --
>tongue splitting, in which the tongue is cleaved nearly in half so as to
>cause it to fork like a lizard's. Last month the Air Force specifically
>banned this form of body alteration. That fighting force also prohibited
>filing teeth (for a vampire appearance) and implanting objects under the
>skin (for a 3-D effect).<

Everyone I know who does the vampire-teeth thing have special crowns
made, either temporary to be removed at will, or attached by a
dentist. I've never heard of anyone filing their teeth -- seems like
it would be very bad for the tooth to intentionally remove all its
enamel protection.

Janet

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Let us take a break from constant unrelieved discussions of topics
>of such frighteningly mundane and domestic nature that they threaten
>to darken our very souls. Write about dadaism or some asshole person
>you saw on the train etc. NO CATS, NO CHICK PEAS. Thanks ...

My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
least potentially, terribly destructive.

Corollary: Infatuation is Nature's way of telling you to run like
hell. But, as addicts can tell us, we always crave most the substance
which is worst for us.

There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.

Janet

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:00:45 PM, you wrote:
> I'm very happy with my month-old Sony uh..DVP-NC655P. It might have more
> features than you need (5-disc changer, progressive scan, MP3 decoder) and
> at $230 might be out of your price range, though.

Why do you need a 5-disc DVD player? Or does this stand in as a
CD-player, too?

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.
>
> Janet

Ok, who do you have a crush on? (Good thing this is informal speech; "Upon
whom do you have a crush?" sounds SO stilted.)

Happy belated birthday.

I didn't realized you got a Villager after your Neon. We had a Villager at
work the first year they came out, and I loved it. Melanie currently has a
Nissan Quest and *hates* it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Why do you need a 5-disc DVD player? Or does this stand in as a
> CD-player, too?

It stands in as a music player now, too. I love having the Ring cycle on 2
CDs.

I still use my 1996-vintage Sony 5-CD changer for music CDs. I haven't been
able to discern a fidelity difference between CD audio coming out of the DVD
player on the optical cable and the RCA analog outputs of the CD changer.

--Adam

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 8:01:33 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
I'm very happy with my month-old Sony uh..DVP-NC655P. It might have more
features than you need (5-disc changer, progressive scan, MP3 decoder) and
at $230 might be out of your price range, though.


>>

That does sound good; maybe when I win the lottery?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
> My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
> loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
> simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
> least potentially, terribly destructive.

> Corollary: Infatuation is Nature's way of telling you to run like
> hell. But, as addicts can tell us, we always crave most the substance
> which is worst for us.

> There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.

I read something earlier today which may or may not be relevant:

"I am sitting in meeting for worship, and the phrase, "the
transforming power of love" goes through my mind over and over
again. Suddenly, I almost laugh aloud. I realize that my whole
life I have thought of the phrase as meaning, "I love, you
transform." Suddenly I realize that loving transforms the lover,
not necessarily the loved! I realize that I have unconsciously
thought of love as a tool to get people to do or be what I want.
But in fact, love is not a tool for me to use; rather, I am to be
a tool of love. Not only that, but in the process, love will
tool, reshape and transform me."

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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At 05:58 PM 2/11/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>from a WPost story about navel-piercing:
>>
>>>Worse, once piercing becomes commonplace among people like, well, Leslie,
>>the trendsetters up the ante with other forms of body alteration: cutting
>>(scarification as adornment), branding (searing flesh with high heat in
>>artistic patterns) and -- please don't eat during this next sentence --
>>tongue splitting, in which the tongue is cleaved nearly in half so as to
>>cause it to fork like a lizard's. Last month the Air Force specifically
>>banned this form of body alteration. That fighting force also prohibited
>>filing teeth (for a vampire appearance) and implanting objects under the
>>skin (for a 3-D effect).<
>
>Everyone I know who does the vampire-teeth thing have special crowns
>made, either temporary to be removed at will, or attached by a
>dentist. I've never heard of anyone filing their teeth -- seems like
>it would be very bad for the tooth to intentionally remove all its
>enamel protection.
>
>Janet

We saw on guy on the Vampire Tour in New Orleans who had implants, or so we
were told.

Betty

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:07:23 PM, you wrote:
> I still use my 1996-vintage Sony 5-CD changer for music CDs. I haven't been
> able to discern a fidelity difference between CD audio coming out of the DVD
> player on the optical cable and the RCA analog outputs of the CD changer.

So it's like a 10-CD changer! Woohoo!

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Betty wrote:

> At 11:05 PM 2/11/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>
>> = >>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
>> = >>
>> = >>Who would you choose?
>> = >>
>> = >>Marie
>> = >
>> = >Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No
>> freakin' way
>> = >Marie, no freakin' way!
>> =
>> = Let's all guess.
>>
>> You first BB.
>
>
> I guess Rita.
>
> Betty
>

        Yeah, I'm like, soooo a red hot mama.



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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 4:34:02 PM, you wrote:
>
>>>Like thinning shears on human hair?
>>>
>
>>        No, not at all.  It does have an equivalent in a type of
>>straight razor I use sometimes on the dog.  Maryanne?
>>Something like that.  It's like a razor under a comb.
>>
>
> I thought that's what thinning shears were.


        Know, they're the scissors with teeth.



>>>No, this would be cruel. But I do need something like a stripping
>>>comb.
>>>
>
>>        Try either a grooming mitt or a zoom groom.  Those are good
>>for shedding.
>>
>
> I'll look into these, thanks. She self-grooms, of course, but she looks
> pretty ratty sometimes, especially when she hides in the leaves
> when it's cold.


        They're about $2.




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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
> My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
> loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
> simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
> least potentially, terribly destructive.

Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)

> Corollary: Infatuation is Nature's way of telling you to run like
> hell. But, as addicts can tell us, we always crave most the substance
> which is worst for us.

> There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.

I don't think infatuation is a bad thing. But it is its own
thing.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:17:43 PM, you wrote:
> Only a world-class couch potato would need/want a 5-disk DVD changer.

Exactly--they've always made me vaguely sick to my stomach. But
Adam's use makes sense.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:22:44 -0800
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>"I am sitting in meeting for worship, and the phrase, "the
>transforming power of love" goes through my mind over and over
>again. Suddenly, I almost laugh aloud. I realize that my whole
>life I have thought of the phrase as meaning, "I love, you
>transform." Suddenly I realize that loving transforms the lover,
>not necessarily the loved! I realize that I have unconsciously
>thought of love as a tool to get people to do or be what I want.
>But in fact, love is not a tool for me to use; rather, I am to be
>a tool of love. Not only that, but in the process, love will
>tool, reshape and transform me."

I think this may be true of some kinds of love, but not of romantic
love. Generally romantic love doesn't reshape and transform people
for the better.

Janet

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> "I am sitting in meeting for worship, and the phrase, "the
>> transforming power of love" goes through my mind over and over
>> again. Suddenly, I almost laugh aloud. I realize that my whole
>> life I have thought of the phrase as meaning, "I love, you
>> transform." Suddenly I realize that loving transforms the lover,
>> not necessarily the loved! I realize that I have unconsciously
>> thought of love as a tool to get people to do or be what I want.
>> But in fact, love is not a tool for me to use; rather, I am to be
>> a tool of love. Not only that, but in the process, love will
>> tool, reshape and transform me."
>
>
> I think this may be true of some kinds of love, but not of romantic
> love. Generally romantic love doesn't reshape and transform people
> for the better.
>


        Why not?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:19:02 PM, you wrote:
>>>        No, not at all.  It does have an equivalent in a type of
>>>straight razor I use sometimes on the dog.  Maryanne?
>>>Something like that.  It's like a razor under a comb.
>>>
>>
>> I thought that's what thinning shears were.


>         Know, they're the scissors with teeth.

My CA hairdresser used something like what you're talking about
to thin my hair. But I don't remember if it was as scissors.
I'm unlikely to have my hair thinned any time soon, so I guess it
will have to remain a mystery.

>>>        Try either a grooming mitt or a zoom groom.  Those are good
>>>for shedding.
>>>
>>
>> I'll look into these, thanks. She self-grooms, of course, but she looks
>> pretty ratty sometimes, especially when she hides in the leaves
>> when it's cold.


>         They're about $2.

Okay. Where I go? Walmart or Petsmart?

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
>
>>My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
>>loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
>>simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
>>least potentially, terribly destructive.
>>
>
> Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
> see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
> barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
> 'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)


        I don't get this destruction of barriers thing, personally.
Why should love destroy individuality?  I don't identify
with that urge.



>>Corollary: Infatuation is Nature's way of telling you to run like
>>hell. But, as addicts can tell us, we always crave most the substance
>>which is worst for us.
>>
>
>>There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.
>>
>
> I don't think infatuation is a bad thing. But it is its own
> thing.


        Infatuation is a great deal of fun.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>  > There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.
>>
>>  Janet
>
>Ok, who do you have a crush on? (Good thing this is informal speech; "Upon
>whom do you have a crush?" sounds SO stilted.)

Nobody new: same shit, different day. But I'm also seeing what
happens to my friends, and I'm finding it hard to reach any other
conclusion.

>Happy belated birthday.

Thanks!

>I didn't realized you got a Villager after your Neon. We had a Villager at
>work the first year they came out, and I loved it. Melanie currently has a
>Nissan Quest and *hates* it.

I daresay you wouldn't have loved the Villager if you'd had to drive
it in a major city with serious parking problems.

Janet

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> Yes.  I suppose if one has a state of the art system (amplifier, all the
> speakers, etc.) then it makes sense to have a 5-disk changer for playing
> CDs.  Only a world-class couch potato would need/want a 5-disk
> DVD changer.

My system is *hardly* SOTA but I have the amplifier and all the speakers. My
front speakers are 35 or 40 year old Empire Scientific speakers I got for
free, and the the center and rear speakers are a Sony set I got for 50% at
Lechmere's going out of business sale a few years ago.

As for the DVD changer, you're right. I strive for excellence in all that I
do, and being good at being lazy is a finely-honed skill. I wanted one that
played MP3 discs, and it just seemed silly to not get a changer.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:26:55 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
>>>loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
>>>simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
>>>least potentially, terribly destructive.
>>>
>>
>> Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
>> see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
>> barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
>> 'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)


>         I don't get this destruction of barriers thing, personally.
> Why should love destroy individuality?  I don't identify
> with that urge.

Destroying barriers doesn't require the destruction of
individuality. (IMHO.) I think it just means that you can
communicate without restriction.

>>>Corollary: Infatuation is Nature's way of telling you to run like
>>>hell. But, as addicts can tell us, we always crave most the substance
>>>which is worst for us.
>>>
>>
>>>There, that's neither mundane nor domestic. Discuss if interested.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think infatuation is a bad thing. But it is its own
>> thing.


>         Infatuation is a great deal of fun.

It can be.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> Most people probably wouldn't.  Some $$$ systems seem to be
> designed solely for the aficionado who desperately needs to determine if
the third
> clarinetist is suffering from early-stage emphysema.

You may scoff, but there's a brand of classical CDs I won't buy (Laserlight)
because all works on it sound like they're performed by the Hungarian
Underwater Flute Orchestra. Truly abysmal!

Now, Mercury Living Presence, OTOH, *swoon*. And Telarc is generally very
good, too.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> I daresay you wouldn't have loved the Villager if you'd had to drive
> it in a major city with serious parking problems.

True. I didn't drive it more than a handful of times, and our office has its
own parking lot. Now that you mention it, it always felt like the van had a
big butt.

I also liked our Chrysler Concorde, even thought it had miles and miles of
dashboard.

If I had gotten my Taurus with the bigger engine and with ABS, I probably
would really love it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:38:23 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>  Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
>>>loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
>>>simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
>>>least potentially, terribly destructive.
>>>
>>
>>  Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
>>  see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
>>  barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
>  > 'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)
>
>         I don't get this destruction of barriers thing, personally.
>Why should love destroy individuality?  I don't identify
>with that urge.

We may be talking about two different things. It's hard to put words
to what I'm describing without falling into woo-wooese, but it has to
do with the merging of soul/spirit rather than identity. Some of the
things that the tantra folks, and some BDSMers, are trying to
achieve, which when actually achieved are simultaneously transcendent
and terrifying -- for good reasons in both cases, IME.

Janet

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:26:37 PM, you wrote:
>>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
>>>  My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
>>>  loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
>>>  simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
>>>  least potentially, terribly destructive.
>>
>>Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
>>see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
>>barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
>>'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)

> I think it's an attempt, often a misguided one, to transcend self and
> become something bigger and less bounded -- which I do see as a
> spiritual urge.

Okay--that's kind of what I expected. Becoming less bounded is
perhaps a spiritual urge, but 'occupying the loved one' is bad,
bad, bad, bad. IMHO.

> It's interesting, though, that you react fairly positively to the
> phrase "destroy all barriers" and very negatively to "wholly occupy
> the loved one." To me, they're the same thing. What do you see as the
> difference?

Well, I was reminded of a relationship I have with someone where
there don't seem to be any barriers. But there isn't an
occupation; there is still individuality. I require
individuation.

Hm. There is an occupation of sorts, in that he is always with
me.

Maybe I'm wrong.:)

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> So what? It probably wasn't being used by anything but senior citizens
> filing their income taxes online and kiddies checking out a ratty copy of
> The Empire Fights Back.

And those two classes of people aren't entitled to library services as a
result of paying city and state taxes exactly how?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 03:28 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 12:05 PM 2/11/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>
>>They probably can't see around the kid. Give 'em a break.  Watch your toe!
>
>No, the kid is below their line of sight---riding in the seat of the
>plastic auto/trolley/boat/etc.
>
>cwv

I wish I could ride in one

Betty

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:47:43 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>>          My sister bought my dad a basset hound for his birthday.  I'm
>>>  not sure a puppy is what he needs as he heads into radiation
>>>  treatments.  I'm furious at her for buying a puppy from a
>>>  puppymill operation.  I could spit, cry, and scream all at
>>>  the same time.  All this work I do trying to stop the
>>>  abusive farming of dogs, and my own family buys from them.
>>
>>
>> Comfort yourself with the thought that your sister is insane.
>
>
> A *basset* *PUPPY* for someone who's ill? Has she ever tried to
> housebreak a basset pup?


        I'm a fussy housekeeper.  My dad is downright
obsessive-compulsive.

        He did want an adult basset hound.  My opinions on the matter
are unwelcome.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> ... that in Russia and the ex-Soviet Union women receive gifts
> on March 8 - International Womens Day.

International Women's Day is celebrated in many places.  We have even celbrated it
here on Words-l.

>
> For some reason that cracks me up.
>
> Give them 3 years and they'll have converted to Valentine's Day.

I wish it could be the other way 'round - that we could convert Valentine's Day to
IWD.

BrP




>
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>From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET>
>>        I want a Norfolk Terrier.

I want a Kerry Blue.

>        I don't think sporting goes until tomorrow night.

That's right.

Marie

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>From: Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM>
>Sounds great! Will it hold for the trip, though?

Sure it will. I'll put it in the Playmate cooler with some SNOW.

You know, I was thinking, we've had snow on the ground pretty much straight
since Thanksgiving -- maybe a week total that was nonwhite. So I imagine
it'll still be snowy for SnowBash.

Marie
   lounge_ascher@hotmail.com



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10:19 09.02.2003 -0600 skrev Karen Kay:
>Sunday, February 9, 2003, 10:17:43 AM, you wrote:
>> In exploring it on the web I've found two strikes against it:  (1) all
>> the recipes I've seen call for something I've never heard of (tahini) --
>> which is ok if Wmart happens to have tahini -- I've never looked for it
>> since I've never heard of it before -- but I don't remember ever seeing
>> any, and (2) you have to use a blender or a food processor.  I once had
>> a food processor that I think I gave to the Salvation Army a long time
>> ago.  I'm pretty sure I have at least parts of a blender but am not
>> inspired at the thought of climbing up to the kitchen closet top to look
>> for it, dragging it out and washing it, etc. etc.
>
>Most people buy premade hummus.

I always thought that you should use chickpeas, not just any peas, in hoummous. I have also thought of hoummous as being close to what you would roll into balls and fry as falafel.

Espen

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At 04:06 PM 2/10/2003 -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>On 10 Feb 2003 at 19:28, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > When you introduce a competing topic, it might.
>
>Okay, how about this one? There's a rumor going around that Bonnie is
>planning to organize a baringwitness.org-type demonstration at
>Acadiafest. Discuss.
>
>
>     mem

I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.

lisa

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 7:19:35 AM, you wrote:
> Maybe in hot weather she'll like the hard floor.  But then it doesn't
> get hot there.  Also the floor might get hot in hot weather.  I'm just
> thinking about how dogs often seek out slick surfaces in summer.

My cat prefers a lawn chair, because that way there is
circulation on all sides.

Yesterday, she let me cut some mats out of her fur without
protesting. But she really likes to play with her teeth.:(

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>The others I meant I couldn't remember were the other placers in the
>working group.

Ah, yes. The Giant Schnauzer was gorgeous.

From: http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/2003/results03.html

Working
judge: Mr. Burton J. Yamada

1st  16 Ch Darbydale's All Rise Pouchcove. WP 92125505.   Date of
Birth:23-APR-99.   Breeder:Carol Bergmann.   Sire:Ch Midnight Lady's
Especially For You.   Dam:Ch Darbydale's Shake M Up.   Breed:Newfoundlands.
  Sex:Dog.   Owner:Peggy Helming & Carol Bernard Bergmann. [ garden photo ]
[ group photo ]



2nd  5 Ch Ruster's The Dark Command. WP 88016807.   Date of Birth:23-JUL-98.
   Breeder:Robert S & Robin M Fox.   Sire:Ch Ingebar's Uri Geller.   Dam:Ch
Ruster's It's A Wonderful Life.   Breed:Giant Schnauzers.   Sex:Dog.
Owner:Mary Hayes & Robin M Fox & Pete Hayes & Robert S Fox. [ garden photo ]
[ group photo ]



3rd  11 Ch Misty Girl Of BD Star JP. WP 98146801.   Date of Birth:26-APR-98.
   Breeder:Shigemi Kanda.   Sire:Ch Talisman Arriba Silverado.   Dam:Ch Moon
Risin JP Diamond Belle.   Breed:Boxers.   Sex:Bitch.   Owner:C & K Robbins &
R & S Cormier. [ garden photo ] [ group photo ]



4th  5 Ch Trusts Gentle Ben V Slaton. WP 77422201.   Date of
Birth:30-SEP-96.   Breeder:Denise L Greenway.   Sire:Ch Slaton's Lite-Weight
He Ain't.   Dam:Sanctus Black Diamond.   Breed:St Bernards.   Sex:Dog.
Owner:Linda Bulicz & Shirley Wolf & Janet Lange & Joe Wolf. [ garden photo ]
[ group photo ]

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> This subj line should be changed from "Dip" to "Flea dip"

Nah.  We now live in The Age of Advantage, thank goodness.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>From: Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>I kept noticing last night that they were saying things like "good
>natured" and "loving" and "good with children" about every breed that
>was mentioned.  I began to question the credibility.  Not that I've
>known many unnice dogs in my life, but if every dog mentioned was all
>those good things, you kind of had to wonder why mention them.

I've also been reading about the Kerry Blues here:
http://www.kerryblues.org/KB/KERRYBLUES.HTML  (Look! There's Mick!)
I think they try to be honest -- they don't want dogs to go to homes that
can't handle them. But the truth is that *with the right people* all dogs
probably are good. Some are harder to train.

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Tom Lee wrote:

> A cow orker was obviously talking about the Dell dude's arrest earlier
> this morning, but I didn't know what he was talking about until now.
> "Dude, you're goin' to jail!"

    My favorite headline was, "Dude!  You're gettin' a cell!"

JMW

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 9:59:37 AM, you wrote:
> I meant to add this datum earlier:  SF Public Library still doesn't
> require a library card for access to its computers.  I wonder why it's so
> much more liberal in this regard than Berkeley.

This *is* odd.

> Maybe because of the demographics of the homeless populations in each
> city?

Berkeley PL is restrictive about its bathrooms, too, I remember.

Why do you always give me flashbacks, Ann?

Anyway. Austin has a significant homeless population, but I don't
think they hang in the libraries. At least, not my branch. It's a
pretty unwelcoming place, actually. (There are tables, but no
chairs or sofas like the Palo Alto library.)

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:57:43 -0600
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 10:56:20 AM, you wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:

>> > I just meant being <that close>.
>>
>> As I said, I disinfect afterwards.

>     So did I, and found out that it <doesn't work>.  Watch the site like
> a hawk.

Oh! I'm more worried about dander than a bite. Karsten convinced
me that cats need to be petted for their own well-being, and so
far it seems to make her less skittish of me. He also told me
that they have scent glands behind their ears, which is why she
wants her ears petted, so she can mark me. This is a very sweet,
mellow cat--for someone who wants one and can continue breathing
after petting one.

Ligniere has suggested that I inform my new neighbors that in
addition to the 3 or 4 children they have, that they also have a
cat and a dog. But I think we are happy with the status quo.

So far her bites haven't broken the skin. Jeeze! All I need is an
infected bite--I guess I'd really learn about the American
healthcare system.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 12:02:39 AM, you wrote:
> In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:

> "Anyone can post messages to the net.  Practically everyone does.  The
> resulting cacophony drowns out serious discussion."

> Also:

> "There are plenty of writers on the Usenet, but few editors.  It shows."

> Discuss.

The latter is why so many people have given up on Usenet, that's
clear.

I'm not sure why he singles out Usenet.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:39:53 -0800
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>steph wrote:
>
>>  = Nah.  We now live in The Age of Advantage, thank goodness.
>>  =
>>
>>  That stuff is nasty poison.  I remember what it was like to be
>>  covered in flea bites, but that stuff has got to make the cat
>>  feel like I did on malaria medicine.  Ugh.
>
>I've never noticed any reaction to it in Bernard or Spencer -- as in any
>hint that it made them feel bad.  Or Buddy.  Spencer hates the moment of
>the squirt and a few minutes after that, but then he seems perfectly
>happy.

Likewise Amy. She reacts the way she reacts to anything that smells
bad to her -- shoves her nose along the carpet while moaning like a
banshee and sneezing a time or two -- and then forgets the whole
thing and is fine ten minutes later.

Janet

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At 09:38 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, janet wrote:

>Here's another one: an ER nurse once told me that, after auto
>accidents, the single major cause of injuries to children she saw was
>due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
>in the kid-space is still a rarity.

Around here, all of the shopping carts have lapbelts.  Whether they are
used or not is another question.  At the Hannaford supermarket in
Ellsworth---remodeled and improved a couple of years ago---they now have
these large plastic combination shopping carts and toy vehicles.  They
might well serve to keep the kids quiet(er) while mommy fills the basket,
but they sure as hell are unwieldy in the aisles; moreover, some mommys
seem to have the notion that they are driving a school bus.

cwv

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At 12:57 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
; moreover, some mommys
>seem to have the notion that they are driving a school bus.
>
>cwv

Meaning you have to stop when they do?

lisa

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At 11:06 AM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 10:53:22 AM, you wrote:
> > What's her name?
>
>What is this obsessive need you have to name things?

I don't name "things".  I name animals and people.

Betty

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At 09:38 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>Child Passenger Safety Week.
>>
>>44% of the children admitted to the local hospital for
>>MVA-related injuries were not restrained at all.
>
>Here's another one: an ER nurse once told me that, after auto
>accidents, the single major cause of injuries to children she saw was
>due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
>in the kid-space is still a rarity.

I witnessed an accident yesterday driving home.  The guy didn't even drop
his cell phone during the collision.

Betty

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:41:39 -0800
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>At 09:38 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Child Passenger Safety Week.
>>>
>>>44% of the children admitted to the local hospital for
>>>MVA-related injuries were not restrained at all.
>>
>>Here's another one: an ER nurse once told me that, after auto
>>accidents, the single major cause of injuries to children she saw was
>>due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
>>in the kid-space is still a rarity.
>
>I witnessed an accident yesterday driving home.  The guy didn't even drop
>his cell phone during the collision.

I'm hoping that driving a manual transmission will break me of my
nasty habit of yapping on the phone while driving.

Janet

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At 02:26 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, lisa wrote:
>At 12:57 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>; moreover, some mommys
>>seem to have the notion that they are driving a school bus.
>>
>>cwv
>
>Meaning you have to stop when they do?

To begin with, yes.  They also come down the middle of the aisle, presuming
upon the right-of-way.   The same presumption seems to hold when they turn
into or out of an aisle.

cwv

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>At 11:41 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>>At 09:38 AM 2/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>>Child Passenger Safety Week.
>>>>>
>>>>>44% of the children admitted to the local hospital for
>>>>>MVA-related injuries were not restrained at all.
>>>>
>>>>Here's another one: an ER nurse once told me that, after auto
>>>>accidents, the single major cause of injuries to children she saw was
>>>>due to falls from shopping carts. Yet a shopping cart with a lapbelt
>>>>in the kid-space is still a rarity.
>>>
>>>I witnessed an accident yesterday driving home.  The guy didn't even drop
>>>his cell phone during the collision.
>>
>>I'm hoping that driving a manual transmission will break me of my
>  >nasty habit of yapping on the phone while driving.
>
>It won't, especially if you have a headset.

I don't, although I'll probably buy a new mounting thing for the
dashboard so I can at least use my hands-free connection to answer
calls that come in while I'm driving -- fortunately, I'm not spending
nearly as much time driving these days (yay!). The nature of the
hands-free setup makes it hard to have real conversations, though,
which is just fine.

Janet

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= >>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
= >>
= >>Who would you choose?
= >>
= >>Marie
= >
= >Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
= >Marie, no freakin' way!
=
= Let's all guess.

You first BB.

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02003-02-10 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:
>
> "Anyone can post messages to the net.  Practically everyone does.  The
> resulting cacophony drowns out serious discussion."
>
> Also:
>
> "There are plenty of writers on the Usenet, but few editors.  It shows."
>
> Discuss.

After La Rochefoucauld, Clifford Stoll ...

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 1:51:38 PM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< New York has outlwed all but hands-free cell phone use by drivers.

BrP
 >>

Thank the gods wherever they may be. Victim of a car accident, Theo

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At 04:41 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

> >>I wonder if my cat would let me shave her...
>
> > Before you try to find out, make sure that your credit at the blood bank is
> > good.
>
>LOL--and the cat!
>
>I wouldn't really risk this. I was surprised she let me cut
>those mats out, to be honest.

There is a difference.  Cutting the mats out does not involve much pulling
or long-term touching; further grooming does.  Morevoer, removing the mats
may well afforded her some relief (cats are very much into dedicated
self-interest).  I think that every cat reacts differently.  Sasha used to
love being combed.  Drusis tolerates it to a certain extent.  Xerxes
tolerates combing on his back and neck, but gets belligerent if the comb
goes to his sides or flanks.  Sere really hasn't been brushed/combed much
yet.  Given that she is a long-hair, we need to get a real brush, rather
than a comb (which does pull some hairs out, no matter how careful you are).

cwv

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In a message dated 02/11/2003 11:15:34 AM Central Standard Time,
Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
What is this obsessive need you have to name things?


>>

Everything has a name; maybe this kitty hasn't let you know
what its name is.  I know I would not have named Sweetie
"Sweetie"; I would have named her something that reflects
her wild nature.  Maybe Mogadore, after the Wildcats (the
high school's sports teams).

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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02003-02-11 | Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM> writes:
> In a message dated 2/11/2003 3:39:00 PM, scribble@POBOX.COM writes:
>
> << > Hey, leave me out of this discussion, please! Theo
>
> You are the one who got into it.
>  >>
>
> All I did was beg for it's conclusion. That's NOT getting involved IMO. Theo

This is.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 5:15:27 PM, you wrote:
> At 04:41 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, karen wrote:
>>I wouldn't really risk this. I was surprised she let me cut
>>those mats out, to be honest.

> There is a difference.  Cutting the mats out does not involve much pulling
> or long-term touching; further grooming does.

True. But this cat made me pet her before she would eat today, so
I think she's a toucher.

My new neighbors have at least one dog--maybe a dog and a cat or
a big dog and a small dog.

> Morevoer, removing the mats
> may well afforded her some relief (cats are very much into dedicated
> self-interest).

I am discovering that.

> I think that every cat reacts differently.  Sasha used to
> love being combed.  Drusis tolerates it to a certain extent.  Xerxes
> tolerates combing on his back and neck, but gets belligerent if the comb
> goes to his sides or flanks.

I think getting anxious when the comb approaches the underbelly
is normal.

> Sere really hasn't been brushed/combed much
> yet.  Given that she is a long-hair, we need to get a real brush, rather
> than a comb (which does pull some hairs out, no matter how careful you are).

I used a flea comb when I lived with long-haired cats before,
which is fine enough to, well, catch fleas. One of my friends had
a long-haired cat and I showed her how to flip the cat and comb
its belly--she'd never done that before and was shocked that her
cat would let me. If I am able to get health insurance again, I'd
probably try that with this one.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 6:58:30 PM, you wrote:

> In a message dated 02/11/2003 6:43:38 PM Central Standard Time,
> Karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

> <<
> Naming this cat is so not important to me.

>>>

> That's what I thought with my first cat.

This is not my first cat.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 1:03:50 PM, you wrote:
>> That "The Pianist" is about someone I know? Well, the father of
>> someone I know.
>>
>> Karen

> Details please.

His son was in grad school with me at Yale--I got to know him
from the Asia Collection reading room, the location of many
misspent hours. Asian history--Japanese, maybe. I forget. I found
out who his father was by accident, so I talked to him and it was
a HUGE faux pas; he doesn't speak to his father and hates him.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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> Too late for me; my soul is dark.  But if you want another topic:
> what is a good DVD player to buy:

I'm very happy with my month-old Sony uh..DVP-NC655P. It might have more
features than you need (5-disc changer, progressive scan, MP3 decoder) and
at $230 might be out of your price range, though.

Perhaps you should check at epinions.com or a similar site.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 08:02 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, karen wrote:

>Why do you need a 5-disc DVD player? Or does this stand in as a
>CD-player, too?

Yes.  I suppose if one has a state of the art system (amplifier, all the
speakers, etc.) then it makes sense to have a 5-disk changer for playing
CDs.  Only a world-class couch potato would need/want a 5-disk DVD changer.

cwv

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At 09:07 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, adam wrote:

>I still use my 1996-vintage Sony 5-CD changer for music CDs. I haven't been
>able to discern a fidelity difference between CD audio coming out of the DVD
>player on the optical cable and the RCA analog outputs of the CD changer.

Most people probably wouldn't.  Some $$$ systems seem to be designed solely
for the aficionado who desperately needs to determine if the third
clarinetist is suffering from early-stage emphysema.

cwv

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:22:44 PM, you wrote:
>>"I am sitting in meeting for worship, and the phrase, "the
>>transforming power of love" goes through my mind over and over
>>again. Suddenly, I almost laugh aloud. I realize that my whole
>>life I have thought of the phrase as meaning, "I love, you
>>transform." Suddenly I realize that loving transforms the lover,
>>not necessarily the loved! I realize that I have unconsciously
>>thought of love as a tool to get people to do or be what I want.
>>But in fact, love is not a tool for me to use; rather, I am to be
>>a tool of love. Not only that, but in the process, love will
>>tool, reshape and transform me."

> I think this may be true of some kinds of love, but not of romantic
> love. Generally romantic love doesn't reshape and transform people
> for the better.

Oh, boy! This gets the Cynic Of The Century award.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:26:37 -0800
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>Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
>>  My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
>>  loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
>>  simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
>>  least potentially, terribly destructive.
>
>Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
>see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
>barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
>'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)

I think it's an attempt, often a misguided one, to transcend self and
become something bigger and less bounded -- which I do see as a
spiritual urge.

It's interesting, though, that you react fairly positively to the
phrase "destroy all barriers" and very negatively to "wholly occupy
the loved one." To me, they're the same thing. What do you see as the
difference?

Janet

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> Springfield just closed 3 branches as a result of cutbacks in state aid.
> *sigh*

So what? It probably wasn't being used by anything but senior citizens
filing their income taxes online and kiddies checking out a ratty copy of
The Empire Fights Back.

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:33:25 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>  > I think this may be true of some kinds of love, but not of romantic
>>  love. Generally romantic love doesn't reshape and transform people
>  > for the better.
>
>         Why not?

Because it tends to lead to possessiveness and objectification.
Because it focuses the attention so entirely on the love object that
other relationships get ignored. Because it rarely has to do with the
loved person, but rather with the lover's idealization of the loved
person.

Or, really, because I haven't seen people become better people when
they fall in romantic love. They sometimes become happier, but they
don't generally become more altruistic, open-minded, loving,
intelligent or forgiving. If anything, rather the opposite.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:


> Destroying barriers doesn't require the destruction of
> individuality. (IMHO.) I think it just means that you can
> communicate without restriction.


        I'm not sure that's what Janet is talking about.  Good
communication isn't a bad thing.  Although I don't
necessarily endorse unrestricted communication -- some
things are better left unsaid.



>>        Infatuation is a great deal of fun.
>>
>
> It can be.


        I miss infatuation, but I do genuinely like the comfort of an
established love.  Every now and then I get re-infatuated
with my husband, and that's extra fun -- sort of like having
my cake and eating it, too.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:


>>        They're about $2.
>>
>
> Okay. Where I go? Walmart or Petsmart?
>

        Probably cheaper at Walmart.



--
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The party was excellent, if I do say so myself.  I am basking in the
afterglow of the good time and the compliments.  It was recommended that
I host all departmental parties forever after.

But I've missed night two of the dog show, thus missing the hounds, my
favorites.  I should've taped it.

Spencer enjoyed the party.  He's much less shy than he used to be.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:42:57 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>> Destroying barriers doesn't require the destruction of
>> individuality. (IMHO.) I think it just means that you can
>> communicate without restriction.

>         I'm not sure that's what Janet is talking about.  Good
> communication isn't a bad thing.  Although I don't
> necessarily endorse unrestricted communication -- some
> things are better left unsaid.

I don't disagree that some things are better left unsaid.
Choosing not to say something is different from not being able to
say it. That's what I mean about barriers.


>>>        Infatuation is a great deal of fun.
>>>
>>
>> It can be.


>         I miss infatuation, but I do genuinely like the comfort of an
> established love.  Every now and then I get re-infatuated
> with my husband, and that's extra fun -- sort of like having
> my cake and eating it, too.

TMI!:)

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> <<
> In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:
> >>
>
> What else has he written?  His name sounds familiar.

_The Cuckoo's Egg_.  I sent him fan e-mail and got a nice reply.  But he
died.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:44:22 PM, you wrote:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>>>        They're about $2.
>>>
>>
>> Okay. Where I go? Walmart or Petsmart?
>>

>         Probably cheaper at Walmart.

Thank you.

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
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Janet Hardy wrote:

> great dinner followed by a lovely scene, surrounded by all my friends.

You were online with us?  I hope you're not pulling a Giggles!

But a belated HB to you!

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>><<
>>In his book _Silicon Snake Oil_, Clifford Stoll makes this observation:
>>
>>What else has he written?  His name sounds familiar.
>>
>
> _The Cuckoo's Egg_.  I sent him fan e-mail and got a nice reply.  But he
> died.
>


        Are you sure?  I'd remember that.  Well, maybe.  I've been
known to inquire after relatives that died years ago.



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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  great dinner followed by a lovely scene, surrounded by all my friends.
>
>You were online with us?  I hope you're not pulling a Giggles!

Well, not *all* my friends -- I still have a few non-perv friends,
although not many. But most of them, anyway. And thanks for the good
wishes...

Janet

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>  Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> My thoughts of late: the desire of the lover to wholly occupy the
>>>> loved one, to destroy all barriers between them, which I suspect is
>>>> simultaneously a very evolved or even spiritual desire -- and, at
>>>> least potentially, terribly destructive.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Why do you think this is an evolved or spiritual desire? (I can only
>>>  see it as damaging or destructive. That is, breaking down
>>>  barriers doesn't seem destructive (except to the barriers), but
>>
>>  > 'occupying the loved one' seems horrendous to me.)
>>
>>         I don't get this destruction of barriers thing, personally.
>> Why should love destroy individuality?  I don't identify
>> with that urge.
>
>
> We may be talking about two different things. It's hard to put words
> to what I'm describing without falling into woo-wooese, but it has to
> do with the merging of soul/spirit rather than identity. Some of the
> things that the tantra folks, and some BDSMers, are trying to
> achieve, which when actually achieved are simultaneously transcendent
> and terrifying -- for good reasons in both cases, IME.
>


        I'd classify that as being unhealthily (healthfully?)
self-involved.  You're right.  I haven't time for such
nonsense.  I have too many people depending on me to check
out like that.



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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> Cuckoo's Egg, that's right.  I used to have a copy of it;

I still have a copy -- a copy that traveled all over the place.
Somebody here borrowed it and it accidentally moved with her to a job at
West Point (NY, not MS).  Then her brother borrowed it from her and took
it home to Arizona or New Mexico or somewhere in that vicinity.  She got
it back from him, and it moved with her to retirement in Tennessee.  It
was sometime after that that she mailed it to me.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>>Cuckoo's Egg, that's right.  I used to have a copy of it;
>>
>
> I still have a copy -- a copy that traveled all over the place.
> Somebody here borrowed it and it accidentally moved with her to a job at
> West Point (NY, not MS).  Then her brother borrowed it from her and took
> it home to Arizona or New Mexico or somewhere in that vicinity.  She got
> it back from him, and it moved with her to retirement in Tennessee.  It
> was sometime after that that she mailed it to me.
>


        Me, too.  He signed it one time when we had lunch.



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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> from a WPost story about navel-piercing:

Are you still in an investment club, Bethany?  Did y'all invest in
duct-tape stock?

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>  > I think this may be true of some kinds of love, but not of romantic
>>
>>>  love. Generally romantic love doesn't reshape and transform people
>>
>>  > for the better.
>>
>>         Why not?
>
>
> Because it tends to lead to possessiveness and objectification.
> Because it focuses the attention so entirely on the love object that
> other relationships get ignored. Because it rarely has to do with the
> loved person, but rather with the lover's idealization of the loved
> person.
>
> Or, really, because I haven't seen people become better people when
> they fall in romantic love. They sometimes become happier, but they
> don't generally become more altruistic, open-minded, loving,
> intelligent or forgiving. If anything, rather the opposite.



This is supposed to be only the first part of it, though; it
should evolve into something a little richer.  I keep
thinking of the novel _Love in the Time of Cholera_.



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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> That does sound good; maybe when I win the lottery?

I see nothing wrong with the one I bought at Wmart for $48.

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> So it's like a 10-CD changer! Woohoo!

More like a 40 disc changer.

Now to get a DVD burner! :D I've got around 12 GB of MP3's, the vast
majority of which I ripped myself from my own CDs. It'd be neat to put them
ALL on 2 or 3 DVDs.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
>
>>That does sound good; maybe when I win the lottery?
>>
>
> I see nothing wrong with the one I bought at Wmart for $48.
>


        A Ibezan took the Hound Group.  A Dachshound did take Group
3, but it doesn't look like the southern type hound breeds
did anything.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 9:10:24 PM, you wrote:
> Now to get a DVD burner! :D I've got around 12 GB of MP3's, the vast
> majority of which I ripped myself from my own CDs. It'd be neat to put them
> ALL on 2 or 3 DVDs.

Oh, is that why people do DVDs for music? (I haven't looked into
this technology at all.)

Karen
"In Paris, parties of two at a cafe touched 110 times per hour,
while in London, they touched no times at all."

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > _The Cuckoo's Egg_.  I sent him fan e-mail and got a nice reply.  But he
> > died.
> >
>         Are you sure?  I'd remember that.  Well, maybe.  I've been
> known to inquire after relatives that died years ago.

No, I'm not positive.  But somebody like that died.  I remember thinking
when hearing of the death of somebody youngish that I had had some kind
of distant encounter with like that e-mail exchange about how I was
surprised and sad that he had died.  I was thinking it was Cliff Stoll.
Perhaps not, though.

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> >>  great dinner followed by a lovely scene, surrounded by all my friends.
> >
> >You were online with us?  I hope you're not pulling a Giggles!
>
> Well, not *all* my friends --

Whew!

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         A Ibezan took the Hound Group.  A Dachshound did take Group
> 3, but it doesn't look like the southern type hound breeds
> did anything.

What are southern type hound breeds?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        A Ibezan took the Hound Group.  A Dachshound did take Group
>>3, but it doesn't look like the southern type hound breeds
>>did anything.
>>
>
> What are southern type hound breeds?


        Breeds associated with the south... bloodhounds, coon hounds,
fox hounds, etc... Spencer's most likely cousins.  Dogs have
regional popularity trends, you know.  It's built into the
dog show rules.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> Oh, is that why people do DVDs for music? (I haven't looked into
> this technology at all.)

It's one reason people use DVD players to play CD-R's full of MP3's, yes.

There also is DVD-Audio, which supposedly is Wonderful because it has like 6
separate channels, a wicked high bit rate, etc etc etc.

And then there's Super Audio CD, a competing format.

--Adam

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Breeds associated with the south... bloodhounds, coon hounds,
> fox hounds, etc... Spencer's most likely cousins.  Dogs have
> regional popularity trends, you know.  It's built into the
> dog show rules.

I'd never thought about a regionality association re dogs.  How is it
built into dog show rules?  Re Spencer's cousins, I've said before that
something about him reminds me of a bloodhound, though I couldn't figure
out why exactly since he does not have the long ears, loose skin, or
drooling habits.  But other people have also mentioned it.  And I
thought of it again today when I looked very, very hurriedly at the url
posted by Marie (I think) about the Westminster show results and clicked
on the bloodhood winner and then on the "garden picture."  That profile
of the bloodhound looked very, very much like Spencer's body shape.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> on the bloodhood winner and then on the "garden picture."  That profile
> of the bloodhound looked very, very much like Spencer's body shape.

I just googled for that picture and found it here:

http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/2003/bloodhnd_r.html

Click on "garden photo" for the Best of Breed.  If you removed the head,
I would swear that was Spencer.  The body is his exactly.  The angle of
the tale is his exactly.

--
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At 09:32 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, adam wrote:
> > Most people probably wouldn't.  Some $$$ systems seem to be
> > designed solely for the aficionado who desperately needs to determine if
>the third
> > clarinetist is suffering from early-stage emphysema.
>
>You may scoff, but there's a brand of classical CDs I won't buy (Laserlight)
>because all works on it sound like they're performed by the Hungarian
>Underwater Flute Orchestra. Truly abysmal!

I scoff not, sir.  I've always been skeptical of off-brand recordings and
of orchestras, etc., that I've never heard (or heard of).  If it is a
poor-quality CD (or mediocre performers), no system will make it sound
good; on the other hand, it is a good-quality CD, then most systems will
play it well.

cwv

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Did you get yours yet, Bonnie and Clyde?

Betty

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 6:03:58 PM, dumasb@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU writes:

<< HB, Janet!

Bethany
 >>

>From me too. Sorry I missed it, but it wouldn't be the first thing that
escapes my attention these days, I'm afraid. Theo

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 Today I had to bid farewell to a beloved friend.  One that had stood with
me for 40 years.  In reality this was a relationship that had lasted about
30 years too long.  This afternoon I had to have my one remaining baby
tooth pulled.  One root was gone and the other over half.  The beginnings
of an infection were evident and so our parting was necessary.  I had made
my peace before leaving for the dentist.  We had talked in the past about
how each passing day was to be cherished.  There was never a replacement.
So for the 30 odd years of 24/7 overtime, I salute my little tooth.  I must
note that I had also resolved myself to the fact that today I would accept
the novacaine shot and did.

  Now I wait 4-6 months and decide what type of replacement to choose.  So,
with such a varied group out there, what are some of the things you have
chosen and were happy with?

Thanks,
Terry

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Theodora Groothof:
= In a message dated 2/11/2003 3:04:38 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:
=
= << So has .nl, but that didn't seem to have stopped anyone. >>
=
= There are stupid drivers, even in my former homeland. Theo

Oh, Theo, you don't know the half of it.  In a country where it
rains all the time, the slightest bit of rain yields a bumper
crop of accidents, gumming up the works entirely.  What I
consider a safe distance to be behind the car in front of me most
Dutch drivers view as a gap to be filled.  Grrrr.

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Betty:
= At 11:05 PM 2/11/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
= >= >>>I'm in as long as I get to chose who I'm positioned next to.
= >= >>
= >= >>Who would you choose?
= >= >>
= >= >>Marie
= >= >
= >= >Are you kidding me? Answer that question in a public space? No freakin' way
= >= >Marie, no freakin' way!
= >=
= >= Let's all guess.
= >
= >You first BB.
=
= I guess Rita.
=
= Betty

That wasn't what I meant (or maybe it was, I don't remember).

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:36:09 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re:      Goodbye to an old friend
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> Today I had to bid farewell to a beloved friend.  One that had stood with
> me for 40 years.  In reality this was a relationship that had lasted about
> 30 years too long.  This afternoon I had to have my one remaining baby
> tooth pulled.  One root was gone and the other over half.  The beginnings
> of an infection were evident and so our parting was necessary.  I had made
> my peace before leaving for the dentist.  We had talked in the past about
> how each passing day was to be cherished.  There was never a replacement.
> So for the 30 odd years of 24/7 overtime, I salute my little tooth.  I
must
> note that I had also resolved myself to the fact that today I would accept
> the novacaine shot and did.
>
>   Now I wait 4-6 months and decide what type of replacement to choose.
So,
> with such a varied group out there, what are some of the things you have
> chosen and were happy with?

I had quite a few teeth pulled preparatory to the jaw surgery. Some of the
gaps were filled in by moving the adjoining teeth with orthodontia, but a
couple of them at the back are still there -- I've asked my dentist several
times to pull the opposing teeth, but he won't (says I may need them for a
bridge someday).

My dad has had implants and my mom is in the process of having some. I
gather it's a very lengthy and painful process, but the results (at least in
Dad's case) look great.

Janet

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>  > We may be talking about two different things. It's hard to put words
>>  to what I'm describing without falling into woo-wooese, but it has to
>>  do with the merging of soul/spirit rather than identity. Some of the
>>  things that the tantra folks, and some BDSMers, are trying to
>>  achieve, which when actually achieved are simultaneously transcendent
>  > and terrifying -- for good reasons in both cases, IME.
>
>         I'd classify that as being unhealthily (healthfully?)
>self-involved.

Ah. You would, of course, feel the same way about someone who spent a
couple of hours a week doing spiritual seeking in, say, the Lutheran
Church.

>You're right.  I haven't time for such
>nonsense.  I have too many people depending on me to check
>out like that.

And I don't? Come on. If something is doing something for you, you
find a way to make it happen.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor:
= Rita Chapman wrote:
=
= > > _The Cuckoo's Egg_.  I sent him fan e-mail and got a nice reply.  But he
= > > died.
= > >
= >         Are you sure?  I'd remember that.  Well, maybe.  I've been
= > known to inquire after relatives that died years ago.
=
= No, I'm not positive.  But somebody like that died.  I remember thinking

Dead people server doesn't know him, and he has a web page at
Berkely, but it's the kind of thing that could be years old.  So,
no proof anyway, but it doesn't look like it.

