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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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Geoff always folds the offside mirror inwards to the body on the car we
have parked on the street. We have had it smashed onced. It broke the
fixing and Geoff repaired it.
Maggy [with nearly 1000 unread messages] B



At 08:51 21/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Yes. My dealership gave me an estimate of $1000 to replace my
>>passenger-side mirror. The insurance company estimated it at $623. After
>>driving around with no mirror for 18 months, I got it fixed beautifully
>>for $750, which included a free-for-me rental car for 4 days.
>>
>> --Adam
>
>Both of our Hondas, parked on the street in front of our home in Oak Ridge
>TN, were sideswiped one night.  The driver's side mirrors were both broken
>off.  Because Clyde was going on a long trip with his car in four days time,
>the body shop quickly ordered a new mirror, color-coded to the car.  They
>installed it one afternoon while I waited for it.  $150.
>
>    bonniev@acadia.net
>
>

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At 08:40 20/02/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Marie said:
>> I notice that shoeshine isn't in OSPD, either, although that one is
>> unhyphenated in RHUD.


Shoeshine is in the UK OSW but not spitshine.
Maggy. Been all day at the auction and going to bed soon..early start
tomorrow if the weather is dry.


>
>Hm. I'd spell this as shoe shine. But spitshine seems fine.
>
>> >  I would also have appreciated, nay, marveled, at the good move.
>>
>> :)
>
>Yeah, that's a LOT of letters.
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com
>
>

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 10:34 19/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On 19 Feb 98 at 8:31, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
>> > >Ah, yes, Dean Stockwell -- at that stage I didn't care what color his
>> hair
>> > >was -- I thought he was so cute!
>> >
>> > Indeedy, whatever happened to him?
>> > Maggy
>> >
>> He played Al, the holographic friend on "Quantum Leap" -- and he was a bad
>> guy in a Michelle Pfeiffer/Matthew Modine movie -- "Married to the Mob"?
>
>He'd probably roll his eyes at the thought that anyone could ask

Sorry to upset anyone but I just have never heard of him since. Mind you I
don't go to the cinema and watch very little TV

Maggy

>whatever happened to him.  The man is the Philip Ahn of our time!
>His IMDb credits indicate that he's been one of the busiest actors
>in Hollywood.  Last year alone he was in six movies (including The
>Rainmaker and Air Force One) and a TV series.
>
>The year before that he made two movies and two TV-movies, and it's
>been like that his whole career, which includes nearly 100 big-screen
>and TV-movies. (In 1946 he played a character named Nipper in The
>Mighty McGurk.)  And when he wasn't making a movie he was doing guest
>spots on TV dramas--at least 25 of those.
>
>Myles
>
>

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At 12:23 19/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Maggy or Sarah B wrote:
>>
>> Indeedy, whatever happened to him?
>>
>He's working all the time. It seems to me that he is in at least one out
>of every three or four movies being made.


I obviously lead a very sheltered life,
Maggy
>
>alyce
>
>

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Quoting a character on Prairie Home Companion
tonight.

                                         - D. M.

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In-Reply-To:  <199802212358.RAA20328@cereal.ncfcomm.com> from "Doris Markland"
              at Feb 21, 98 05:50:28 pm

Doris Markland said:
> Quoting a character on Prairie Home Companion
> tonight.

That's a running thing with him--I think Boo mentioned it before. It's
usually Right On. (Not that I've ever been an English major.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Theodora M Groothof <TheodoraGroothof@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"Some say, compared to Bononcini,
Mynheer Handel's but a ninny.
Others aver that he to Handel
Is scarcely fit to hold a candle.
Strange all this difference should be
'Twixt Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee!

-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
Why would Byron use a Dutch word? (Mijnheer) I'd think he would prefer
Master. Perhaps I'm missing the irony here. I am, afterall, just an
ignurrant furriner. BTW, I learned Do Re Mi Fa Sol La "Si" Do, but not in=

school. Can't remember any nursery rhymes either. Does this mean I was a
deprived child? Couldn't be because I DID see a headless chicken flop
around! Hurry up with the evidence, Bill :-) Hugz Theo

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>That's a running thing with him--I think Boo mentioned it before. It's
>usually Right On. (Not that I've ever been an English major.)
>
>Karen

There were a couple of months when every show included a spot for the
fictional association English Majors of America (or some such name).  "When
you need someone to deconstruct your subtext...."  I'm under the impression
that GK actually was an English major.

Ken Miller
Department of Folksong
Wobegon State University

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              98 04:28:08 pm

Bookrat said:
> There were a couple of months when every show included a spot for the
> fictional association English Majors of America (or some such name).  "When
> you need someone to deconstruct your subtext...."  I'm under the impression
> that GK actually was an English major.

I was wondering if one of his children were.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: Bluebonnets?
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>Are bluebonnets the same as lupines?
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

No.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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In-Reply-To:  <199802220235.VAA00571@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 21,
              98 09:35:48 pm

bonniev said:
> >Are bluebonnets the same as lupines?
>
> No.

How do you know?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>How do you know?
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

There are fields and fields of lupine in Maine each June.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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In-Reply-To:  <199802220242.VAA00932@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 21,
              98 09:42:51 pm

bonniev said:
> There are fields and fields of lupine in Maine each June.

So how does that tell you these are not bluebonnets?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
Subject:      Re: good sign
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
>> This afternoon I saw my first Indian paintbrushes of the year.  No
>> bluebonnets yet, though.  The paintbrushes have come out since Tuesday -- I
>> think it may be spring!
>
>Lots of bluebonnets in evidence south of San Antonio today.
>
>-aht
>
>
And here we have geese flying over in large numbers,
returning from the south, way early.

                                         - D. M.

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>bonniev said:
>> There are fields and fields of lupine in Maine each June.
>
>So how does that tell you these are not bluebonnets?
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

Jeeze, Karen.  That's a pretty insensitive question.  Even for you.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
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I have been thoroughly charmed by Phillippe Candeloro.
Again.  Wow.


                                         - D. M.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> And here we have geese flying over in large numbers,
> returning from the south, way early.

Yes, they're here, too. I've been meaning to say this. A whole flock
spent a couple of days around the pond across the road this last week.
Made my dogs crazy--they wanted so badly to cross the road. But they are
good doggies and know they mustn't do that, so they just stood at the
edge and whimpered and panted and barked and sighed.

alyce

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              98 10:18:13 pm

bonniev said:
> >bonniev said:
> >> There are fields and fields of lupine in Maine each June.
> >
> >So how does that tell you these are not bluebonnets?
> >
> >Karen
> >  karen@wordwrite.com
>
> Jeeze, Karen.  That's a pretty insensitive question.  Even for you.

And this is a pretty stupid comment, even for you.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Doris Markland said:
> I have been thoroughly charmed by Phillippe Candeloro.
> Again.  Wow.

Who is he?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Bluebonnets?
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Karen wrote:

>So how does that tell you these are not bluebonnets?

Lupines and bluebonnets are nothing alike. And lupines are many colors
besides blue. These are good clues.

alyce

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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Lupines and bluebonnets are nothing alike. And lupines are many colors
> besides blue. These are good clues.

You unch of net lamers, look it up. If you do, you will find that
Bluebonnets are in the lupine family, and that there are many colors of
bluebonnet, including white and pink. However, you would never find any
self-respecting Sacred Flower of Texas living in Maine soil, so they
couldn't be that.

The early geese, early flowers, and today I noticed early mesquite
shoots, all point to an unpredictable climate this year. Down here we
have thousands of citrus trees still laden with last year's crop, and
covered with blossoms. This will effectively make harvesting the rest of
the crop impossible because you dan't do so without disturbing the
blossoms.

-aht

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Another sign of spring -

My husband and I and some friends attended a golf swap meet today.

ms

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In-Reply-To:  <34EF9E81.D10BD92A@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 21,
              98 10:41:53 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Lupines and bluebonnets are nothing alike.

Not according to the web page I gave.

> And lupines are many colors
> besides blue.

Um... so are bluebonnets. Bluebonnets are a kind of lupine.

> These are good clues.

Not really.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal said:
> However, you would never find any
> self-respecting Sacred Flower of Texas living in Maine soil, so they
> couldn't be that.

This is the most conclusive argument I've heard.

> This will effectively make harvesting the rest of
> the crop impossible because you dan't do so without disturbing the
> blossoms.

What?! No more grapefruit?!!!!!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal wrote:
> This will effectively make harvesting the rest of
> the crop impossible because you dan't do so without disturbing the
> blossoms.

All of this could lead to food shortages of many kinds. Besides your
citrus, there obviously will be a shortfall in many crops from
California. I saw a wheat farmer out there whose fields are under water
and he won't be able to plant more for this season. And now they're
saying our apple crop for '98 could be affected because there hasn't
been the necessary cold for the trees. The maple sugar production for
New York State is only 10% of normal because so many trees were
destroyed in the big ice storm up north last month, just before they
were to be tapped. It will take 20-30 years to get back to former
production levels. Doris? How about crops in the midwest?

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <34EFAA6F.94B3D8D8@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 21,
              98 11:32:47 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> been the necessary cold for the trees. The maple sugar production for
> New York State is only 10% of normal because so many trees were
> destroyed in the big ice storm up north last month, just before they
> were to be tapped.

Oh my god, I bet Canadian maple syrup production is affected, too! I'd
better hoard what I have left.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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I will bow to the botanists then that lupines and bluebonnets are in the
same family. I have never seen a bluebonnet ftf, only pictures. But I
grow lupines. To me, the picture of a bluebonnet does not look like my
lupines. Maybe the picture does not do it justice?

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Oh my god, I bet Canadian maple syrup production is affected, too! I'd
> better hoard what I have left.

Probably there will be some from Vermont and elsewhere, but one thing is
sure, the already high prices will be m-u-c-h higher.

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <34EFAB50.E379B409@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 21,
              98 11:36:32 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> I will bow to the botanists then that lupines and bluebonnets are in the
> same family.

The Latin name for bluebonnets is lupinus something-or-other.

> I have never seen a bluebonnet ftf, only pictures.

I had some lupines when I lived in Japan a million years ago; I've
never seen a bluebonnet either.

> Maybe the picture does not do it justice?

This is almost certainly true. One of the pictures I found on the web
was of a field of bluebonnets, and I got a glimpse of why these Texans
rhapsodize so.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
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>Anne H Toal wrote:
>> This will effectively make harvesting the rest of
>> the crop impossible because you dan't do so without disturbing the
>> blossoms.
>
>All of this could lead to food shortages of many kinds. Besides your
>citrus, there obviously will be a shortfall in many crops from
>California. I saw a wheat farmer out there whose fields are under water
>and he won't be able to plant more for this season. And now they're
>saying our apple crop for '98 could be affected because there hasn't
>been the necessary cold for the trees. The maple sugar production for
>New York State is only 10% of normal because so many trees were
>destroyed in the big ice storm up north last month, just before they
>were to be tapped. It will take 20-30 years to get back to former
>production levels. Doris? How about crops in the midwest?
>
>alyce
>
>
Al Nino didn't book a flight for this region, it seems.
We just have our normal disasters, nothing unusual.

                                             - D. M.

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From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Olympics
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>Doris Markland said:
>> I have been thoroughly charmed by Phillippe Candeloro.
>> Again.  Wow.
>
>Who is he?
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com
>
>
Don't know if I spelled his name right, but he's a
figure skater from France.  He skated tonight for
exhibition the same routine he used in the competition.
It was smashing.  Swashbuckling!  (That's what he did
all over the place, using the fancy footwork and the
arm movements of fencing . . . and playing to the
audience every moment.)  Beautiful body movements,
disarming smile.  Ahhhh.

                                                 - D. M.

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>
>> Maybe the picture does not do it justice?
>
>This is almost certainly true. One of the pictures I found on the web
>was of a field of bluebonnets, and I got a glimpse of why these Texans
>rhapsodize so.
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com
>

There was a picture of a field of bluebonnets in
somebody's ad in lots of magazines last year.  It was
gorgeous.

I drove down there last year especially to see the
bluebonnets, and was just as surprised by all the
other flowers.  They were everywhere.
It was worth driving to see.

                                                         - D. M.

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Also Ohio elementary school education.

Evelyn

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Karen wrote:
Music was a core element of Montana education.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Maybe they're really evil Ents.

Evelyn

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Now they're trying a new approach and going after motorists.  Poor guy was
just stopped at a stop sign and Monterey cypress tree killed him in his
Nissan Pathfinder.

Betty

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I drove down there last year especially to see the
> bluebonnets, and was just as surprised by all the
> other flowers.  They were everywhere.
> It was worth driving to see.

In the back of my mind I seem to remember that it was a project of
Ladybird Johnson's--to plant wildflowers all over the state. Ann? Is
this right?

alyce

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              98 00:15:25 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> In the back of my mind I seem to remember that it was a project of
> Ladybird Johnson's--to plant wildflowers all over the state. Ann? Is
> this right?

Anne.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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I hate the thought of returning to  winter!

Sorry about whatever this note may look
like.  Strange terminal emulation problems.
No time to screw around trying to fix them.

Quick hi from Auckland.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Also Ohio elementary school education.

Is that in America?

Betty


> ----------
> Karen wrote:
> Music was a core element of Montana education.
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>

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I wonder if the people living in my house in Akron will let the finches
build nests in the awning this spring.

Evelyn

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Doris M. wrote:

And here we have geese flying over in large numbers,
returning from the south, way early.

                                         - D. M.

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Ann? Is
> this right?

No, there's an "e" on the end.

-aht

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No, Ohio never officially became a state; it just pretends to be one
to get all that lovely Federal money.  Occasionally, it sends out
one of its Favorite Sons to become President of the U.S., but,
after Harding's administration, it decided to get into other fields:
NASA, movies, mass killing.

Evelyn

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Betty wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Also Ohio elementary school education.

Is that in America?

Betty

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
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Inquiring minds want to know.  There hasn't even been a roster, fer cryin'
out loud.

Was there sfogliatelle?  Was there tiramisu?  Was there ice on the trees?

I guess we can already cross off the question "Did Adam get his home net
connection working?".

Ken Miller
Department of Phatic Drivel
Bernard Chien Perro Institute for Words-L Studies

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This is the show that had the piece about Komodo dragons last
week. One of the pieces this week is about surfing sea lions. They
surf the *inside* of the wave--very interesting to watch.

They also showed a beautiful marine iguana. Looked like...
Triceratops? The one w/ the ruff, anyway.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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At 10:27 PM 2/21/98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>This is the show that had the piece about Komodo dragons last
>week. One of the pieces this week is about surfing sea lions. They
>surf the *inside* of the wave--very interesting to watch.
>
>They also showed a beautiful marine iguana. Looked like...
>Triceratops? The one w/ the ruff, anyway.
>
The ruff with the three horns on the head? Or the ruff down the back. If
the latter, then it's stegasaurus. If the ruff is around the neck, then it
could be compared to any of the ceratopsians. The tri refers to the three
horns. Then there is protoceratops, etc.

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Shoshana Edwards said:
> At 10:27 PM 2/21/98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >They also showed a beautiful marine iguana. Looked like...
> >Triceratops? The one w/ the ruff, anyway.
> >
> The ruff with the three horns on the head?

Yup.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Roy Jaques <rjaques@HETNET.NL>
Subject:      Re: 98 cent gas
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Roy Jaques wrote:
>
>> How much did parking the car cost ?
>
>"Park the car?"
>
What would you call leaving the car stationary and
unoccupied while doing something other than
driving it. ?

>-aht

Roy

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It seems that the US is still trying to play football. Call it soccer
if you have to, your national team is trying to play out of their
league.

The Netherlands 2 - USA 0

Many of the normal Dutch team were playing in Italy or England
so it wasn't even at full strength.  I wondered why the final
score was so low.

The next game for the US team is against Belgium. The
sensible money is on the Belgians.

Roy

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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Roy Jaques wrote:
>
>> So those coins that you thought would come in handy next time are just
>> another
>> souvenir.
>
>Unloaded them all before return. However the penny jar has been taken
>over by pound coins.
>
>> election. The sales of wine have dwindled in the same period.
>
>With New Labor, are you sure they aren't ordering Babychams?

What is new Labor, or did your visit fail to improve your spelling ?

Could someone clear up the fact that the name of something should be
spelt in the form the organisation spells it and is not subject to the
whim of an individual. That is what I've understood. It is a British
political party so the name is The Labour Party.

>-aht

Roy

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: Bluebonnets?
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aht, flexing her chauvinistic muscularity:
>You unch of net lamers, look it up. If you do,    [[[[you will find that
>Bluebonnets are in the lupine family]]]], and that there are many colors of
>bluebonnet, including white and pink. However, you would never find any
>self-respecting Sacred Flower of Texas living in Maine soil, so they
>couldn't be that.

So, incidentally, are the crown vetch, clover, indigo, locoweed, and
trefoil---and therefore  <what> is your point?  That organisms are in the
same taxonomic family doesn't guarantee anything about their similarity with
respect to color of flowers, growth form, or chemistry; see, e.g., he
tobacco plant, the tomato, the white (Irish) potato, and the
nightshade---all in the same family.

cwv
"The cell-masher (cellular biologist) cannot distinguish between a spinach
plant and an elephant, because their mitochondria are identical"  George
Wald, ca. 1967

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alyce:
>I will bow to the botanists then that lupines and bluebonnets are in the
>same family. I have never seen a bluebonnet ftf, only pictures. But I
>grow lupines. To me, the picture of a bluebonnet does not look like my
>lupines. Maybe the picture does not do it justice?

The Texas state posey is {Lupinus subcarnosus}, which is restricted to the
eastern and southern part of the state.  A more showy and important prairie
species is {L. texensis}, which grows taller (60 cm as opposed to ca. 35).
Strictly speaking the bluebonnet  <is> a lupine (presumably, those finding
themselves in Texas changed their name in an attempt to avoid embarrassing
the rest of the family); there are four such lupine species in Texas.

The flowers of the bluebonnet are smaller and less showy than are the
flowers of the lupine, e.g., {Lupinus perennis}.  Presumably, your picture
gave the BB all the justice it deserved.  The photo in the Audobon Field
Guide shows the BB to be a rather washed-out blue relative to the rich hue
of the lupine.  Moreover, the photo of the BB is more of a closeup--the
resulting "magnification" makes its flowers look nearly as large as those of
the noble lupine--more Texan chicanery, I suspect.

cwv

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Olympic Commercials
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Espen, did you get to see the commercial of this Norwegian peasant using
his laptop in the middle of the night to check Olympic results? He runs
out and wakes up the whole town yelling  WE WON. WE WON.

It's my favorite commercial.

BTW, I noticed that one of your athletes likes to dye his hair, too.  :-)
Not green though.

Betty

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Roy Jaques wrote:

> What would you call leaving the car stationary and
> unoccupied while doing something other than
> driving it. ?

It's just that *we* spell it with an extra U in there, and I wish those
people whose cultures don't spell it that way would realize that WE do.

;-)

-aht

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> the noble lupine--more Texan chicanery, I suspect.

WhatEVer, dude. Geeze, I hope I don't get like this when I get old.

-aht

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On 17 Feb 98 at 19:42, Brad Grissom wrote:

> Miss Nancy was about half asleep when I tapped her on the shoulder
> and asked, "Made any progress on The Sunday Puzzle?"
>
> "Urrnnhh, what?"
>
> "You know, Myles's brainteaser."
>
> "Urrnnhh, I got one of the words:  'incomprehensive'."
>
> "EEENNT!" I said.

Here they are:

OVERIMAGINATIVE
UNIMAGINATIVELY

There are a few other 15-letter words with a perfect
sequence of alternating vowels and consonants, but
they're almost all obscure.  I liked these because
they were built on a common root.

This was a tough one, and short of actually combing
through the dictionary page by page--something I can't
imagine doing--there's no way most people would get
it.  I probably should have given some kind of hint, but I
couldn't think of a good one.

Myles

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>Here they are:
>
>OVERIMAGINATIVE
>UNIMAGINATIVELY

 I started to ask if a 'y' was one of the final vowels.

 brad

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Subject:      The NPR Puzzle
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This was last week's puzzle:

"This is a two part anagram challenge. The
letters in the word UNGOODLY can be rearranged
to spell "YOUNG and OLD", which is a familiar
phrase. Here's part one of the challenge: what
familiar phrase in the form BLANK and BLANK
can you find in the word NOTICING? Part two of
the challenge: what familiar phrase in the
form BLANK and BLANK can you find in the word
SOUWESTER?"

The answers, in case anyone missed it:

NOTICING = GIN and TONIC
SOUWESTER = SWEET and SOUR

This morning's new puzzle:

"There are many words in English whose
past-tense forms are made by adding the letter
D, as in BELIEVED, STAPLED, CREATED, etc.
Notice that in all these examples the verb
itself ends in E. Can you think of a verb NOT
ending in E whose past-tense is formed by
adding just D? As far as we know, there's just
one common answer."

I can think of one, so far.

Later on I'll be posting a riddle or two.  Here's
an easy one to warm up with:

My first is seen
My second is her
Finally I grow old.
String them all together
So you're not caught out cold.
Then mix 'em up and put 'em on
Before you catch malaria--
Now you're properly attired
For strolling in Bavaria.


Myles

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Okay, puzzle fans (all three of you), here's a
Riddle-Crostic for your Sunday morning.  Solve
the following five easy riddles, writing the
letters of the answer-word in the numbered spaces
under each riddle.  Transfer the letters to their
corresponding numbers in the 1-23 sequence at
the end to find a dandy slogan.  The dashes and
numbers will line up, more or less, only if your mailer
is set for monospace font.


A boo-boo or a blunder
Will help you fill the form.
A laugher, I don't wonder,
Will find you getting warm.
     _   _    _   _   _    _
     8  18   12   6   23  10


Erythematous or Titian?
Merely name the hue!
Incarnadine?  I'm wishin'
A rosy glow for you.
     _   _    _
    14   11   4


Elephants, bovines, whales,
But rarely maharishis:
The chosen word entails
The females of the species.
     _   _   _  _
     17  13  7  5


It can be barred,
It can be screechy.
For mice in the yard,
It's simply peachy.
      _   _    _
      2   1   20


These are posers, problems, teasers,
Sticky wickets for your head.
Sphinx-like mysteries for geezers--
Maybe you shoulda stood in bed.
     _   _   _   _    _   _   _
     3   21  15  22  19   9  16




   _  _  _  _  _  _    _  _  _  _   _
   1  2  3  4  5  6    7  8  9  10  11

   _   _   _   _   _
   12  13  14  15  16

   _   _   _   _   _   _   _
   17  18  19  20  21  22  23

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At 11:11 AM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Okay, puzzle fans (all three of you), here's a
>Riddle-Crostic for your Sunday morning.

I do hope this is going to get more challenging. ;-)

 But it is fun.  Thanks Myles. I'm pissed. My morning paper has not arrived
yet. One of the few good things about the Oregonian is the New York Times
Cross Word puzzle appearing daily. There are two puzzles: the NYT which
always stumps me; and the local one which is about 10 minutes of <yawn>.

s

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Anne.
>
Let me rephrase that: Anne, is that right?

alyce

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>
> Okay, puzzle fans (all three of you), here's a
> Riddle-Crostic for your Sunday morning.  Solve
> the following five easy riddles, writing the
> letters of the answer-word in the numbered spaces
> under each riddle.  Transfer the letters to their
> corresponding numbers in the 1-23 sequence at
> the end to find a dandy slogan.  The dashes and
> numbers will line up, more or less, only if your mailer
> is set for monospace font.

Got it!

Julie

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> "There are many words in English whose
> past-tense forms are made by adding the letter
> D, as in BELIEVED, STAPLED, CREATED, etc.
> Notice that in all these examples the verb
> itself ends in E. Can you think of a verb NOT
> ending in E whose past-tense is formed by
> adding just D? As far as we know, there's just
> one common answer."

Can't get this one yet - but I'm still working on it.
I thought I'd hit on something interesting when I
thought of a verb whose past-tense was formed
by *dropping* the final "e" but then I thought of
some others, so that isn't a good one.
>
> I can think of one, so far.
>
> Later on I'll be posting a riddle or two.  Here's
> an easy one to warm up with:
>
> My first is seen
> My second is her
> Finally I grow old.
> String them all together
> So you're not caught out cold.
> Then mix 'em up and put 'em on
> Before you catch malaria--
> Now you're properly attired
> For strolling in Bavaria.

Got this one.

Julie

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Subject:      Re: Olympic Commercials
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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> It's my favorite commercial.
>
The one that slays me is the new Huggies commercial with the little
Asian kid splashing through puddles to the tune of "Singin' In The
Rain," and laughing its (can't tell the gender) ass off. Superhumanly
cute.

Verdant

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Let me rephrase that: Anne, is that right?

Is what right?

-aht

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On 22 Feb 98 at 12:40, Julie Creech wrote:


> Got it!

You're cookin' with Crisco today!

Myles

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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> Is what right?

That Ladybird Johnson had a big project to plant wildflowers all over
Texas.

alyce

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 12:40 22/02/98 PST, you wrote:
 dy slogan.  The dashes and
>> numbers will line up, more or less, only if your mailer
>> is set for monospace font.
>
>Got it!
>
>Julie

Clever clogs

Maggy
>
>

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At 12:38 22/02/98 PST, you wrote:
 n something interesting when I
>thought of a verb whose past-tense was formed
>by *dropping* the final "e" but then I thought of
>s r
>> Finally I grow old.
>> String them all together
>> So you're not caught out cold.
>> Then mix 'em up and put 'em on
>> Before you catch malaria--
>> Now you're properly attired
>> For strolling in Bavaria.
>
>Got this one.
>
>Julie

Time you did some work, Julie
Maggy

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Subject:      Cookies
Comments: To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU.
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I know it's been discussed before and I can't recall what was said but can
anyone tell me how to stop that "A cookie has been set" thing from popping
up time and again when I'm on the web. I never click on OK, always cancel
and then up it keeps coming.

I would be grateful, it's driving me nuts.

Maggy

Ps what do I get if I click on OK?

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>Quoting a character on Prairie Home Companion
>tonight.
>
>                                         - D. M.

Somehow I missed the above bit.  But I did have a bit of a Jim Farrell
moment when Garrison, as Guy Noir, answered a question about reading
newspapers with, "I only read the old ones...they're cheaper, and the
writing is better."

And, speaking of English usage, there was "euphoniums...euphonia".

Keillor was indeed an English major.  He received a B.A. in English in 1966
from the University of Minnesota.

Ken Miller
Department of Folksong
Wobegon State University

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> >> Then mix 'em up and put 'em on
> >> Before you catch malaria--
> >> Now you're properly attired
> >> For strolling in Bavaria.
> >
> >Got this one.
> >
> >Julie
>
> Time you did some work, Julie
> Maggy

Fiddle-dee-dee, Miss Maggy.  I'll think about that tomorrow!

Julie

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Searching the web for some biographical material on Garrison Keillor, I ran
across an article by him on the _Salon Magazine_ website.

<http://www.salonmagazine.com/feature/1997/10/cov_13keillor.html>

Note a passing reference to a namesake of the Sage of Okoboji:

"'Sister Carrie,' a cause celebre in American letters, is not that great a
book, it must be said. Even if you pass over Dreiser's clunky Darwinian
lectures, his schoolmarmish asides about psychology and morals, you have to
conclude that this is no 'Anna Karenina.' Nobody would confuse this with
Dickens. It isn't even James T. Farrell. It is a work of historical
interest, like 'Winesburg, Ohio,' but I'd find it hard to assign these
works to students -- there simply are so few moments when these dreary
figures show flickers of life."

Ken Miller
Department of Phatic Drivel
Bernard Chien Perro Institute for Words-L Studies

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> > Got it!
>
> You're cookin' with Crisco today!
>
> Myles

I still haven't figured out the past-tense one, though.
>

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From: Theodora M Groothof <TheodoraGroothof@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"The Netherlands 2 - USA 0

Many of the normal Dutch team were playing in Italy or England
so it wasn't even at full strength.  I wondered why the final
score was so low.
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I imagine they were just humoring the US team. Go Holland,go! Hugz Theo
Errr, that's humouring I think  Sorry, Roy ;-)

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> That Ladybird Johnson had a big project to plant wildflowers all over
> Texas.

Yes, it's the thing she was most famous for.

-aht

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From: Julie Creech <jhc-hbs@ERINET.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Sunday Riddle
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>
> At 12:40 22/02/98 PST, you wrote:
>  dy slogan.  The dashes and
> >> numbers will line up, more or less, only if your mailer
> >> is set for monospace font.
> >
> >Got it!
> >
> >Julie
>
> Clever clogs
>
> Maggy

Not in the A to Zed but I think I know what you mean!
At least I hope I do.  Now I'll find out it's something else
altogether!!

Julie

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cookies
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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Maggy or Sarah B wrote:

> I know it's been discussed before and I can't recall what was said but can
> anyone tell me how to stop that "A cookie has been set" thing from popping
> up time and again when I'm on the web. I never click on OK, always cancel
> and then up it keeps coming.

In the preferences part of your browser there will be a place to elect to
accept cookies automatically, manually, or to refuse all cookies. If you
refuse to accept cookies, there will be certain sites that you can never
get into. Others will present a cookie for dismissal.

> Ps what do I get if I click on OK?

A cookie.

I don't like them either and for about a year I scrupulously dismissed
all cookie requests. But after a while the bastards wore me down and now
I've stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb.

-aht

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: lupines
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> Yes, it's the thing she was most famous for.

That, and being married to Lyndon, probably.

alyce

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              "Maggy or Sarah B" at Feb 22, 98 04:53:59 pm

Maggy or Sarah B said:
> Ps what do I get if I click on OK?

A cookie.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <v03010d00b11638642064@[206.61.226.88]> from "Bookrat" at Feb 22,
              98 02:03:02 pm

Bookrat said:
> Somehow I missed the above bit.  But I did have a bit of a Jim Farrell
> moment when Garrison, as Guy Noir, answered a question about reading
> newspapers with, "I only read the old ones...they're cheaper, and the
> writing is better."

Yes!!!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: The Sunday Riddle
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Julie Creech wrote:
>
> Not in the A to Zed but I think I know what you mean!
> At least I hope I do.  Now I'll find out it's something else
> altogether!!

I am so looking forward to Monday when people begin to speak in normal
tongues again, sans cryptics, anagrams, and other puzzlers. I hate being
a wallflower (which is nothing like a lupine).

alyce

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              at Feb 22, 98 04:32:00 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> I don't like them either and for about a year I scrupulously dismissed
> all cookie requests. But after a while the bastards wore me down and now
> I've stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb.

Hahahahahahaha! A year is a long time in cookie-world... I think I
lasted 2 or 3 months. But I also think more sites have cookies nowadays.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F0A7E4.D7744E8F@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 22,
              98 05:34:12 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> I am so looking forward to Monday when people begin to speak in normal
> tongues again, sans cryptics, anagrams, and other puzzlers. I hate being
> a wallflower (which is nothing like a lupine).

It's okay, I'll keep you company. I have enough puzzle in the form of
my non-working floppy drive, TYVM.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Hahahahahahaha! A year is a long time in cookie-world... I think I

I just assumed that when everybody saw I wasn't accepting cookies,
everyone would quit using them.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Hahahahahahaha! A year is a long time in cookie-world... I think I
>
> I just assumed that when everybody saw I wasn't accepting cookies,
> everyone would quit using them.

I *wish* you were that powerful.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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>Dickens. It isn't even James T. Farrell.

He is from a merely collateral branch of the family.

> It is a work of historical
>interest, like 'Winesburg, Ohio,' but I'd find it hard to assign these
>works to students -- there simply are so few moments when these dreary
>figures show flickers of life."

What a fine and compassionate teacher of printed matter.

73s
Studz

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>Somehow I missed the above bit.  But I did have a bit of a Jim Farrell
>moment when Garrison, as Guy Noir, answered a question about reading
>newspapers with, "I only read the old ones...they're cheaper, and the
>writing is better."

Goddam Keillor is eavesdropping on me. Wonder how many other comics are
getting rich on my stuff.

73s
Jim

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>On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
>> That Ladybird Johnson had a big project to plant wildflowers all over
>> Texas.
>
>Yes, it's the thing she was most famous for.
>
>-aht

I thought her fame stemmed from the philosophical observation that people
who thought Austin needed two teevee stations were extremists.

73s
Barry

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The Sunday Riddle
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At 17:20 22/02/98 PST, you wrote:
>>
>> At 12:40 22/02/98 PST, you wrote:
>>  dy slogan.  The dashes and
>> >> numbers will line up, more or less, only if your mailer
>> >> is set for monospace font.
>> >
>> >Got it!
>> >
>> >Julie
>>
>> Clever clogs
>>
>> Maggy
>
>Not in the A to Zed but I think I know what you mean!
>At least I hope I do.  Now I'll find out it's something else
>altogether!!
>
>Julie

Lancashire version of smarty pants, I guess

Maggy
PS did you get to see Geoff's Timer via the http I gave you or did you have
to search on Premier Timer?
>
>

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In-Reply-To:  <l0311070cb1161373376c@[209.163.1.20]>

On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:

> I thought her fame stemmed from the philosophical observation that people
> who thought Austin needed two teevee stations were extremists.

That's just because the second station was competition for KLBJ. I only
said she was fond of wildflowers, I didn't mean to assert that she never
made any laughable foibles in her whole life.

-aht

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From: Elaine Brennan <elaine@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Scrabble Scores (REALLY!)
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199802210006.QAA10083@netcom20.netcom.com> from "Karen Kay" at
              Feb 20, 98 03:56:44 pm

Karen Kay said:
>
> Elaine Brennan said:
> > March 1 through 10.  Mostly at a Holiday in in the outer reaches of
> > San Jose, but a couple of days in the heart of Santa Clara.  And
> > hanging around over a weekend, to boot ....
>
> Shall we Make Plans? Dim sum? A bath? What?????
>
I like both of these ideas -- who else is up for a ba-wordslers event??

--Elaine
elaine@netcom.com

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From: Julie Creech <jhc-hbs@ERINET.COM>
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>
> Maggy
> PS did you get to see Geoff's Timer via the http I gave you or did you =
have
> to search on Premier Timer?

I had to search.  There was one letter wrong in the http
line (don't remember which one).   But it was easy to
find anyway.  And right at the top of the page!

Julie

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>
> I don't like them either and for about a year I scrupulously dismissed
> all cookie requests. But after a while the bastards wore me down and now
> I've stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb.
>
> -aht

I "acept" them, but my cookie file is read-only.

jinny

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On 22 Feb 98 at 17:34, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> I am so looking forward to Monday when people begin to speak
> in normal tongues again, sans cryptics, anagrams, and other
> puzzlers. I hate being a wallflower (which is nothing like a lupine).

Well, shoot, I never meant to ruin anyone's Sunday.  I can
easily send these things to a few people offlist, or for that
matter anyone can find the NPR puzzle themselves at
www.npr.org/programs/wesun/puzzle.html

Myles

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
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Jim:
>Goddam Keillor is eavesdropping on me.

Well, he oughta steal your good material.

Maybe I'm a philistine, but every time I hear that
guy, all I can think of is Homer Simpson saying
"What's so funny?  What's everybody laughing at?"

I guess this time, I'm on the _other_ side of
Hodgson's Adage.

Whatever.  Some people think Ray Stevens is funny.
Go figure.  Laff on, I guess.

Anyway, all I meant to do was to stop in and say
Happy Carnival.


Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Happy Carnival
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> Anyway, all I meant to do was to stop in and say
> Happy Carnival.
>
> Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

Was the wedding today?

Betty

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 22, 98 06:07:32 pm

Betty Clark said:
> Was the wedding today?

Yes! Did the minister show up?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Elaine Brennan wrote:

> Karen Kay said:
> >
> > Elaine Brennan said:
> > > March 1 through 10.  Mostly at a Holiday in in the outer reaches of
> > > San Jose, but a couple of days in the heart of Santa Clara.  And
> > > hanging around over a weekend, to boot ....
> >
> > Shall we Make Plans? Dim sum? A bath? What?????
> >
> I like both of these ideas -- who else is up for a ba-wordslers event??

Can Ken and Larry take a bath?

Betty

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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 22, 98 06:17:59 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Elaine Brennan wrote:
> > Karen Kay said:
> > > Elaine Brennan said:
> > > > March 1 through 10.  Mostly at a Holiday in in the outer reaches of
> > > > San Jose, but a couple of days in the heart of Santa Clara.  And
> > > > hanging around over a weekend, to boot ....
> > >
> > > Shall we Make Plans? Dim sum? A bath? What?????
> > >
> > I like both of these ideas -- who else is up for a ba-wordslers event??
>
> Can Ken and Larry take a bath?

Not at O-sento, but there must be hot-tub places in the city; they
have them here.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: The Sunday Riddle
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Myles Callum wrote:
>
> Well, shoot, I never meant to ruin anyone's Sunday.  I can
> easily send these things to a few people offlist, or for that
> matter anyone can find the NPR puzzle themselves at
> www.npr.org/programs/wesun/puzzle.html

No, no, Myles. Only teasing. I believe in free speech. It's just that I
get so discouraged because I can't figure any of the puzzles out. You
just keep on posting. Maybe I'll get the hang of it after awhile. I did
get a couple of the definitions like whatever it was-- _ _ _ = red.

alyce

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Grad School anyone?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

U.S. NEWS GRAD SCHOOL RANKINGS AVAILABLE ONLINE
U.S. News Online has launched the online version of the well-known Graduate
School Rankings issue of U.S. News & World Report;  it is available at the
Web site http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/beyond/bcrank.htm .  Unlike the
print version, the online version allows for complete sorting and ranking
based on various criteria -- such as those schools within 50 miles of your
home. (URLwire Web Site News 20 Feb 98)
==============================================

WEB RANKINGS FOR SALE
Internet entrepreneur Bill Gross is funding a new venture called Go.To.Com,
which offers a radical new approach to Web search services.  Traditional
search engines, such as Yahoo! and Lycos, have been criticized because too
much of the material they deliver is irrelevant to the original search
request.  Go.To.Com's strategy to responding to queries is based on the idea
of ranking the list in order of advertising dollars received, so that if
someone searches on the word "flowers," for instance, the floral service
that paid the most would be listed first.  Gross points out that the same
strategy is used in the Yellow Pages, where companies that pay the most for
the largest ads get the prominent positions.  "It's a stockmarket for
attention," says Gross.  "I think it's going to change the marketplace
forever."  (Wall Street Journal 20 Feb 98)

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From: Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM>
Subject:      Re: I'm a Recovering English Major
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>Jim:
>>Goddam Keillor is eavesdropping on me.
>
>Well, he oughta steal your good material.
>
>Maybe I'm a philistine, but every time I hear that
>guy, all I can think of is Homer Simpson saying
>"What's so funny?  What's everybody laughing at?"

I have heard that Garrison K. is not funny to people
who did not grow up in the Midwest, but don't know
if that's true or not.
>

>
>Anyway, all I meant to do was to stop in and say
>Happy Carnival.

No, no. . . . Happy Carnival to YOU.

                        - D. M.
>
>
>Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)
>
>

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Grad School anyone?
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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 22, 98 08:15:14 pm

Betty Clark said:
> U.S. NEWS GRAD SCHOOL RANKINGS AVAILABLE ONLINE
> U.S. News Online has launched the online version of the well-known Graduate
> School Rankings issue of U.S. News & World Report;  it is available at the

The only thing is that this doesn't mean squat:  certain schools are
better for certain things.

> request.  Go.To.Com's strategy to responding to queries is based on the idea
> of ranking the list in order of advertising dollars received, so that if
> someone searches on the word "flowers," for instance, the floral service
> that paid the most would be listed first.  Gross points out that the same

Cross off one search engine I'll never use...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199802230431.WAA19649@cereal.ncfcomm.com> from "Doris Markland"
              at Feb 22, 98 10:23:36 pm

Doris Markland said:
[Garrison Keillor]
> >Maybe I'm a philistine, but every time I hear that
> >guy, all I can think of is Homer Simpson saying
> >"What's so funny?  What's everybody laughing at?"
>
> I have heard that Garrison K. is not funny to people
> who did not grow up in the Midwest, but don't know
> if that's true or not.

But Richard *did* grow up in the Midwest, so that doesn't fit. And Ken
didn't. And actually the person who first encouraged me to listen to
PHC grew up in Portland.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>>Was the wedding today?
>Yes! Did the minister show up?

Easy, gals, easy.

It's scheduled for tomorrow.  There's no telling what can
happen, but whatever, we'll all have fun.  I've appointed
myself the Designated Sober Guy, which is why I left the
Bacchus parade after Drew Carey went by.

I'm making some food for the reception right now, and trying
to figure out if a million cases of beer is enough.

The courtyard's clean though, so it'll look good.

We bought a bunch of heart beads to toss from the mule
carriage as we go from the riverfront back to our house.
(I gotta give Br the credit on that.)

Last question:  Aren't they supposed to not see each other
tomorrow before the wedding?

I need an answer QUICK!

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: lupines
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> I thought her fame stemmed from the philosophical observation that people
> who thought Austin needed two teevee stations were extremists.

        Farrell, you bastard.  How did you know my screen needed
        a spitshine?

JMW

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>I have heard that Garrison K. is not funny to people
>who did not grow up in the Midwest, but don't know
>if that's true or not.

I grew up in the Midwest.

Garrison Keillor is not funny.

Hey, whatever.  If he makes people laugh, go for it.
I'll be someplace else, and we'll meet up later.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Well, *I'm* happy anyway!!!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

My computer is once more alive. It only took two weeks... Anyway, the
floppy drive that caused the original problem is indeed DEAD. I'd
change it even if it weren't--I've seldome seen such a dusty
filth-encrusted thing in my life! And that's only the inside.

I had to disable my printer to get the floppy working, but that's
mostly back. (I have to try and change one more jumper back on the I/O
card and then see if it still works.) And the CD-ROM drive works
wonderfully. I haven't yet installed the modem that caused the
original problem, but I still have two weeks until I have to keep it
or return it, so I'm in no hurry.

Karsten was EXTREMELY helpful, of course. But I also found a web page
that was useful, called something like "How to Upgrade Your PC".
Karsten was more useful than this page was, but the page helped.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Richard Scheidt said:
> I grew up in the Midwest.
>
> Garrison Keillor is not funny.
>
> Hey, whatever.  If he makes people laugh, go for it.
> I'll be someplace else, and we'll meet up later.

I find him funny about 1/2 the time. Mostly it's nostalgia, of course.
But I certainly understand your attitude--I feel that way about many
entertainers that are supposed to be entertaining.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Happy Carnival
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Richard Scheidt wrote:
>

> Last question:  Aren't they supposed to not see each other
> tomorrow before the wedding?

They are NOT to see each other. That's right.
alyce

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>:
>But I certainly understand your attitude--I feel that way about many
>entertainers that are supposed to be entertaining.

        Adam Sandler.  [sp?]   (like I care...)

JMW

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Richard Scheidt wrote:
>
> Garrison Keillor is not funny.
>
I grew up in the Midwest, but I have never heard GK on the radio. My
sister thinks he is funny, and gave me some tapes of him long ago for
Christmas. I was not amused.

alyce

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>Last question:  Aren't they supposed to not see each other
>tomorrow before the wedding?
>
>I need an answer QUICK!
>
>Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

I have heard that they are not supposed to see each other until the
beginning of the ceremony.  At my brother's wedding, the bridegroom's party
formed a virtual cocoon around him to prevent this from happening as the
bride's party drove up.  He was quite amused.  Either he'd not heard of
this, or didn't give it any credence, but he indulged us.

Ken Miller
Nuptial Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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Alyce:
>They are NOT to see each other. That's right.

Thank you.  I was certain that was the tradition,
but they don't believe a word I say.

Especially after I translated the Latin slogan on
the doubloons from Krewe d'Etat.

Popery!  A Mad Papist!

I think they've calmed down now, though.

(It was a lucky guess anyway.)


"Benidicta tu in mulieribus...

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

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Alyce:
>I was not amused.

Yep.  Us and the Queen.  We're in good company, at least.

Hey!  Y'see that a piece of King Edward's wedding cake
got auctioned off for 29 grand, or something like that?

Call Jim F.  There may be $$ in wedding cake futures.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)

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Friends.

Evelyn

----------
jmw wrote:

From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>:
>But I certainly understand your attitude--I feel that way about many
>entertainers that are supposed to be entertaining.

        Adam Sandler.  [sp?]   (like I care...)

JMW

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> Can Ken and Larry take a bath?

Yes, but not at Osento. If we were all bath-oriented, we could go to one
of the private bath places.

Verdant

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>Hey!  Y'see that a piece of King Edward's wedding cake
>got auctioned off for 29 grand, or something like that?
>
>Call Jim F.  There may be $$ in wedding cake futures.
>
>Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)
>

Well, yes.  In most cases these days the cake
could possibly last longer than the marriage.

You can freeze the cake, but you can't freeze
the relationship right where it was on that very
day and have it stay that way.  Guess you
wouldn't want to.  That is, you want it to
grow and change, but hopefully not go in the
wrong direction.

                                      - D. M.

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>But Richard *did* grow up in the Midwest, so that doesn't fit. And Ken
>didn't. And actually the person who first encouraged me to listen to
>PHC grew up in Portland.
>
>Karen

Well, actually, I spent my first seven years in Lincoln, Nebraska.  And my
parents are both definitely midwesterners, despite years of living in
California and overseas.  And I went to college for two years in St. Paul,
which has probably contributed the most to my ability to enjoy the
monologues.  (As I've mentioned before, I loved the cold and the snow,
although I have to admit I never had to shovel snow, nor drive in it.)

But I think I know what Richard is reacting to: there is a dark
undercurrent of alienation that runs through much of Keillor's work.  I'd
say that his humor is fundamentally about misunderstandings, usually
mutual, usually involving some degree of embarrassment and/or emotional
pain, and usally told from the point of view of the person who is most
embarrassed.  If one is uncomfortable with thinking about alienation, or
for whatever reason just doesn't find it funny, PHC is not going to be
one's cup of tea.

I have to admit that I stopped listening during the American Radio Company
period.  His monologues were just too dark, without any--dare I say
it?--silver lining.

Nowadays, I only listen about half the time.  Sometimes, I have better
things to do on Saturday evenings.  And sometimes I'll even turn it off in
the middle of the show.  (Bob, the angst-ridden artist, is a one-joke
shtick that should have been retired long ago.  I automatically turn off
the radio for fifteen minutes when I hear the violin music.)

But lots of his old stuff, and lots of his new stuff, still leaves me
chuckling.  Between the musical humor--The Young Lutheran's Guide to the
Orchestra is a classic for the ages--and the wordplay, there's a lot for me
to enjoy.

Ken Miller
Department of Folksong
Wobegon State University

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              98 09:52:25 pm

Bookrat said:
> I have to admit that I stopped listening during the American Radio Company
> period.  His monologues were just too dark, without any--dare I say
> it?--silver lining.

Keeping track of his marriages and affairs helps a bit to understand
his general outlook.

> Nowadays, I only listen about half the time.

I listen less often than that; usually on Sunday mornings.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>Well, yes.  In most cases these days the cake
>could possibly last longer than the marriage.

"Kissin' don't last.  Cookin' do."

>You can freeze the cake, but you can't freeze
>the relationship right where it was on that very
>day and have it stay that way.  Guess you
>wouldn't want to.  That is, you want it to
>grow and change, but hopefully not go in the
>wrong direction.
>
>                                      - D. M.

"There is only one serious question.  And that is:  Who knows how to make
love stay?"  -Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker

Ken Miller
Amatorial Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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              98 09:22:06 pm

Janet W. Hardy said:
> Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > Can Ken and Larry take a bath?
>
> Yes, but not at Osento. If we were all bath-oriented, we could go to one
> of the private bath places.

Are we talking about the weekend of March 7-8?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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To all you EudoraPro experts, I did something stupid. But I'm not sure what
I did. I had this icon bar, underneath all the stuff like File, Edit,
Mailbox, etc. The icon bar had the garbage can, the check mail, the
previous mail box, etc. Anyway, I right clicked on that icon bar with the
intention of adding a couple of icons. Yes, I was trying to follow
instructions. But I apparently clicked something in the window of options
that popped up, and the darn icon bar disappeared completely. And I can't
find it anywhere. Can't get it back. Where did it go?

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At 10:41 PM 2/22/98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>To all you EudoraPro experts, I did something stupid.

And I undid it. Geeze, they shouldn't make it quite so easy to be dumb.

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Shoshana Edwards said:
> At 10:41 PM 2/22/98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
> >To all you EudoraPro experts, I did something stupid.
>
> And I undid it. Geeze, they shouldn't make it quite so easy to be dumb.

Only if they make it equally easy to undo.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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And so Norway can gpo back to normal and all the people who had changed
their sleep pattern to suit the Japanese time zone can slowly get
readjusted to the Western European. Norway won 10 gold, 10 silver, and 5
bronze medals but Germany won more.

espen

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At 08:06 21.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> Great! One of my few memories from when I lived in New Haven 1955-56 is the
>> Peabody Museum there and its dinosaurs. I went there again with my mother
>> in 1996 and the magic was still there.
>
>Have you been to the one in Cambridge? I don't like it nearly as
>well. The one in Salem is cool, of course, because that's where Edward
>Morse's collection of Japanese things is. And all the whaling stuff.
>But the one in New Haven is best.

I visited the Cambridge one in 1993. There was one nice touch: on the top
floor they had an exhibition of material from Oceania where the exhibition
itself was an exhibition - what I mean is that they had spent quite a lot
of money on reconstructing an exhibition in the 1880ies style.

espen

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At 10:58 21.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> Today I let my inner Norwegian out and bought a pocket TV so that I can
>
>My inner geek wants to know what kind. (I've been looking at these for
>several years.)

A Casio 770 N (for the PAL standard).

espen

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At 06:26 22.02.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>Espen, did you get to see the commercial of this Norwegian peasant using
>his laptop in the middle of the night to check Olympic results? He runs
>out and wakes up the whole town yelling  WE WON. WE WON.

I haven't seen it but I would love to.

>
>It's my favorite commercial.
>
>BTW, I noticed that one of your athletes likes to dye his hair, too.  :-)
>Not green though.

The one who won the slalom event has dyed his hair very red while the one
who won a sliver medal in snowboard halfpipe has died his in a leopard skin
pattern. (I suddenly started thinking of Dylan but that was a lepard skin
pillbox hat.)

espen

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At 22:59 22.02.98 -0600, Richard Scheidt wrote:
>
>
>"Benidicta tu in mulieribus...

Eh, "benedicta" I believe.

Et benedictus fructus ventris tui.

There are four medieval Runic inscriptions from Bergen whith whole or parts
of the Ave Maria in Latin.

espen

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>And so Norway can go back to normal and all the people who had changed
>their sleep pattern to suit the Japanese time zone can slowly get
>readjusted to the Western European. Norway won 10 gold, 10 silver, and 5
>bronze medals but Germany won more.
>
>espen

Yes, let's give the Teuts their due: 12 gold, 9 silver, 8 bronze.

What happened to the Swedes?  Did they ever show up?

brad

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G     S     B      Tot.
17. Zweden        0  -  2  -  1  -   3

steph



                         EINDSTAND     G  -  Z  -  B  - Tot.

                      1. Duitsland    12  -  9  -  8  -  29

                      2. Noorwegen    10  - 10  -  5  -  25

                      3. Rusland       9  -  6  -  3  -  18

                      4. Canada        6  -  5  -  4  -  15

                      5. Ver.Staten    6  -  3  -  4  -  13

                      6. NEDERLAND     5  -  4  -  2  -  11

                      7. Japan         5  -  1  -  4  -  10

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At 05:50 23.02.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>Yes, let's give the Teuts their due: 12 gold, 9 silver, 8 bronze.
>
>What happened to the Swedes?  Did they ever show up?

Yes, and then they went down with influenza. There was a Swede who won the
silver medal in 50 kilometres cross country and who almost came close to
winning gold. But for a day or two Denmark actually was ahead of Sweden.

espen

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I hate netscrape.

        -s

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Subject:      Re: Four years until next time
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              <Espen.Ore@HD.UIB.NO>

Did Poland win any medals?

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Has West Springfield disappeared off the map?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Inquiring minds want to know.  There hasn't even been a roster, fer
cryin'
> out loud.

Sorry, Bro. Ken, we were all too busy eating, talking, laughing, and
listening to Pusaka Sunda.

> Was there sfogliatelle?  Was there tiramisu?  Was there ice on the
trees?

No sfogliatelle. Tiramisu, however, attended in rampant abundance and
again proved its superiority over all other known members of the species.
No ice on the trees.

> I guess we can already cross off the question "Did Adam get his home
net
> connection working?".

You know, it is working, and has been for a few months now. I didn't even
think to turn the poor dear on, though.

> Ken Miller
> Department of Phatic Drivel
> Bernard Chien Perro Institute for Words-L Studies

 --Adam
Department of Post-SnowBash Recovery
Partying a la Astor, Inc.

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Subject:      Re: Four years until next time
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Brad:

= Did Poland win any medals?

Nope.

<http://www.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/tt/nos/page/t/m/n/h102/h192/h704/852>

steph

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Bluebonnets?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Oh my god, I bet Canadian maple syrup production is affected, too! I'd
> better hoard what I have left.
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

Uncle Bill's trees weathered the storm without any trouble. Email me if
you want contact info.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> > Also Ohio elementary school education.
>
> Is that in America?

You outdid yourself with this remark, Betty Clark.

Aunti

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> On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> > Also Ohio elementary school education.
>
> Is that in America?

No, no, that's not the right question. The right question is is it in the
Midwest?

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

p.s. SBIII WHTMs are not the responsibility of the host, so if yer
itchin', email Neal, Emily, Rashmi, or Melanie. (Judith K. inexplicably
did not show up.)

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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
> United States of America. Music was a core of American education in this
> American school run by the City of Chicago.

I don't know if I'd say it was a *core*, but in elementary school we had
music class one time a week.  In junior high, we had it two times a week
for half the year, alternated with Art.  And in high school, any music
classes were elective.

Whether we did do-re-mi there, I'm not sure, but I think so.  We also
banged sticks together a lot.

Marie

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For Bernard and other canine friends.

Evelyn

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 06:26 22.02.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> >Espen, did you get to see the commercial of this Norwegian peasant using
> >his laptop in the middle of the night to check Olympic results? He runs
> >out and wakes up the whole town yelling  WE WON. WE WON.
>
> I haven't seen it but I would love to.

I'll mail the tape to you. You'll get a kick out of it.

Betty

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At 06:06 23.02.98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> At 06:26 22.02.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>> >Espen, did you get to see the commercial of this Norwegian peasant using
>> >his laptop in the middle of the night to check Olympic results? He runs
>> >out and wakes up the whole town yelling  WE WON. WE WON.
>>
>> I haven't seen it but I would love to.
>
>I'll mail the tape to you. You'll get a kick out of it.
>

That's very kind, but I would need to find someone with NTSC equipment.

espen

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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Bookrat:

(Who, though sometimes displaying a regrettable tendency toward statism, is
always willing to share serious thought with us.)

>But I think I know what Richard is reacting to: there is a dark
>undercurrent of alienation that runs through much of Keillor's work.

I agree. When I listened to him I sometimes had the notion that "Giants in
the Earth" was the most formative printed influence on his life. It seemed
that he tried to attack the black soul core with a wistful smartassery, and
I think he often succeeded in getting the cathartic laugh. Oddly, he
reminded me in some ways of Lenny Bruce.

> I'd
>say that his humor is fundamentally about misunderstandings, usually
>mutual, usually involving some degree of embarrassment and/or emotional
>pain, and usally told from the point of view of the person who is most
>embarrassed.

Pat and Mike; Izzy and Golda;  Liza and Rastus; Eastern Europeans, no
matter how heroic.  Maybe it's the soul of all humor. If a man walks around
the banana peel, nothing funny has happened. Somebody ought to do a little
essay on your point about the humor being relayed from the viewpoint of the
one most hurt. It seems to me that technique may vitiate the sting while
preserving some of the truth and some of the humor.

> If one is uncomfortable with thinking about alienation, or
>for whatever reason just doesn't find it funny, PHC is not going to be
>one's cup of tea.

I've never been  much of a GK fan, although I'd occasionally chuckle with
him. Living here, I know many Scandanavians, mostly third generation. What
I heard Keillor say did not resonate with my firsthand experience with
these folks; it did with the still-pervasive Ole 'n' Lena stereotype, not
to mention the general dumb-farmer/village-rube mythology.

73s
Jim

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In-Reply-To:  <34F16483.CC02E933@newton.xs4all.nl> from "steph" at Feb 23,
              98 12:58:59 pm

steph said:
> I hate netscrape.

Why?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Olympic Commercials
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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 23, 98 06:06:49 am

Betty Clark said:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> > At 06:26 22.02.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> > >Espen, did you get to see the commercial of this Norwegian peasant using
> > >his laptop in the middle of the night to check Olympic results? He runs
> > >out and wakes up the whole town yelling  WE WON. WE WON.
> >
> > I haven't seen it but I would love to.
>
> I'll mail the tape to you. You'll get a kick out of it.

Only if it's in PAL format...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Nei <lafa@SANET.COM.BR>
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Hello you all,

My name is Waldinei but everybody calls me Nei (sounds like "Nay"). I am
an English Teacher in Sco Paulo, Brazil.
I have been working on an interesting project called "American Relaxed
Pronunciation". If you take a look at my homepage you are going to see
that I have a list of the most common forms of Relaxed Pronunciation.
That's important because it helps my students to understand spoken
English a lot better. It's so frustrating for them, after studying
English for many years, to get to the US and not be able to understand:
"Whatcha gonna do??" (That's Relaxed Pronunciation in case you had not
understand what I was talking about).
If you get a chance, could you help me with new forms?
My address is:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8995/

Nei
Sco Paulo, Brazil

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<BR><FONT SIZE=+1>That's important because it helps my students to understand
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<BR><FONT SIZE=+1>If you get a chance, could you help me with new forms?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=+1>My address is:</FONT><FONT SIZE=+1></FONT>

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From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Feb 23 09:11:48 1998
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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Olympic Commercials
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> > > At 06:26 22.02.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > >Espen, did you get to see the commercial of this Norwegian peasant using
> > > >his laptop in the middle of the night to check Olympic results? He runs
> > > >out and wakes up the whole town yelling  WE WON. WE WON.
> > >
> > > I haven't seen it but I would love to.
> >
> > I'll mail the tape to you. You'll get a kick out of it.
>
> Only if it's in PAL format...

Espen is very smart. If there is a will, there is a way...

Betty

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: I'm a Recovering English Major
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> >Hey!  Y'see that a piece of King Edward's wedding cake
> >got auctioned off for 29 grand, or something like that?

When my mother died, my sister and I found a slice of cake from my
parents' 50th wedding anniversary party in the freezer. Had we known
that frozen cake was of value, we might not have thrown it away.

alyce

--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Feb 23 11:15:07 1998
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Okay, so how come The History Channel isn't available in Canada?  Can't afford
the exchange rate?

JMW

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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Probably not enough Canadian historical content.

> Okay, so how come The History Channel isn't available in Canada?  Can't
afford
> the exchange rate?
>
> JMW

 --Adam, who loves watching the History channel, esp. "Modern Marvels"

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From: Anne Tracy <atracy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU>
Subject:      Jim (fwd)
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Marty gave me permission to forward this tribute he wrote for his brother,
Jim, to all of you.  Jim Rosen passed away last Wed., Feb. 18.

Aunti


Jim Rosen played the blues with grace and passion.  He delighted in dirty
jokes, Bushmill's Irish Whisky, cowboy movies, old Cadillacs, and a
generous network of friends.  In the end, even when it was apparent that
cancer would cause his death, he refused to let it define a single day of
his life.  Instead, he treated the disease with amused, dismissive
contempt, as if it were little more than a drunken heckler shouting from
the back of the room.

Only a few people are fortunate enough to find a single occupation that
they can love and work at for a lifetime; Jim was one of the lucky ones,
and blues harmonica was the thing.  He got his first harmonica, a slightly
gnawed, hand-me-down Blues Harp, when he was fifteen.  During the next
fifteen years, he spent thousands of hours woodshedding, poring over the
techniques of masters like Little Walter, Sonny Boy Williamson, and
Charlie Musselwhite.  As his mastery of the instrument grew, he paid more
attention to the compositional architecture of improvisation and began to
listen to artists like Lester Young, Charlie Parker, Thelonious Monk, and
Miles Davis.  He never went to college, but no college could have taught
him the things he wanted to learn.  By the time he was thirty, when he put
together the Mudcats Blues Band, he was a self-assured, mature musician
with an encyclopedic knowledge of blues history and repertoire, and a
distinctive, immediately recognizable sound.  During the twelve years he
played with the Mudcats, a run that ended New Year's Eve at the Rudyard
Kipling, he never stopped honing his craft, and he never stopped being a
bluesman.

Before a gig he usually worked on his collection of Lee Oskar Harps:
taking them apart, filing and tuning the reeds, and making sure that every
component was in perfect order.  On stage, he rocked his head slightly
from side to side, smiling in appreciation of the sounds his bandmates
made or singing in a gravelly voice. When it was time for him to take a
solo, he raised his harp with both hands, grasping it like a chalice and
bringing it to his lips with obvious joy.  He liked to begin with a
trumpet-like fanfare of crisply articulated notes, then take a tightly
coiled riff and exploit its rhythms and intervals in cascading seamless
variations that culminated in impossibly high frequencies.  At times he
would back the sound down to a whisper and create free-flowing, gently
vibrating lullabies.

The rooms he played were filled with smoky blue haze, but his vivid brown,
almond-shaped eyes easily penetrated the smoke and spoke eloquently to
friends, brothers, or pretty girls dancing in the audience.  His eyes
communicated irony, humor, annoyance, or the simple, sensuous pleasures of
basking in the sound of the band.

Jim's love of good whiskey was legendary.  During the early years of his
career, nearly every weekend the blues clubs where he played would run out
of Bushmill's (admittedly, Jim's habit of buying shots for anyone in the
vicinity was a contributing factor).  After a while the bartenders started
stocking sufficient quantities to get through the weekend.  He called his
friends at all hours of the night to pass along dirty jokes about penguins
or dwarves, and he especially loved to call his friends when a
particularly outrageous musical performance was transpiring on public
access TV.

He was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma and metastatic lung cancer in
August 1995, and despite aggressive treatment, including the removal of
one kidney and a rigorous course of chemotherapy, the cancer spread.  He
almost always scheduled his medical treatments, including chemotherapy, so
they wouldn't interfere with gigs.  Only rarely did his health cause
him to miss performances, even when the performances caused him severe
discomfort.  Last fall, despite the progressive failure of his remaining
kidney, he adamantly insisted on playing the Garvin Gate Blues Festival, a
festival the Mudcats had played each year since its inception.  He
intended to play only a few tunes, but wound up playing a full set.
Afterwards, he collapsed backstage and was taken by ambulance to
University Hospital's Emergency Room.

His hospital stints during chemotherapy were more like celebrations than
convalescence; Jim's harps were always at the bedside, and on at least one
occasion the floor nurses moved him to a larger room to accommodate the
streams of visiting friends and musicians coming to call.  Even when
chemotherapy was no longer a therapeutic option for Jim, the nursing staff
in University's chemo unit pulled strings to make sure Jim was admitted to
a bed there whenever he required hospital treatment.

He returned home for the last time on February 6; a crew of friends and
family members (though in Jim's life the distinction between friends and
family was utterly meaningless) gave him round-the-clock care.  The
Saturday before he died, he played the blues in one last impromptu jam
session.  His forty- second birthday was February 16; he died on February
18, surrounded by friends and family.  To the end he was occasionally
aware of his surroundings; he was serenely unconcerned about dying and
continued to tell stories and hold court for visitors.  Even after he
lapsed into his final hours of sleep he continued to laugh and smile and
occasionally raised his hands to his mouth as if playing the harp or
smoking a cigarette.

  The usual thing when someone dies is for those who didn't know him to
express their sympathies to those who did.  I think I can speak on behalf
of the thousands of people who heard Jim play over the years and on behalf
of those closest to him in saying that such sympathies are misplaced.
It's the people who never heard him laugh or tell a story, the folks he
never called late at night, and the people who never got to hear him bend
a note into the next dimension who deserve our sympathies.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Lisa--are your friends on the box?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

So only 15 of the 20 members of the women's hockey team made it on the
box--5 of them were left off because of college eligibility issues. Bummer!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Marty Rosen <crosen@INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Jim Rosen (CJ article I)
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This is the first of two articles that ran in the Louisville
Courier-Journal on Saturday Feb. 21 regarding my brother Jim.

_Jim Rosen will be missed--both as musician and friend_/ by Jeffrey Lee
Puckett

The first time I met Jim Rosen was 10 years ago at the Chicago Blues
Festival.  He was there with a mutual friend, Scott Mullins, who offered a
mild warning before introductions.

"Jim's kind of gruff," Mullins said.  Now there's an understatement.
That's like calling Little Walter an OK harmonica player.

Everyone met in Rosen's hotel room before a night on the town.  As we were
were leaving, Rosen tucked a pistol into his pants.  "No ********* way I'm
walking around ******** Chicago without my ********* gun," he said in his
deep growl, biting off every word.

Pleased to meet you, Mr. Rosen.  Just don't hurt me.

Rosen died Wednesday, at home, after cancer had cost him both kidneys.  He
was a remarkable harmonica player, a music historian and a big reason why
the Mudcat Blues Band was one of the most reliable good times Louisville
ever produced.

Because he's gone, this is where I'm supposed to talk about the heart of
gold beneath Rosen's gruff exterior.  Well, Rosen was pretty gruff inside,
too, if gruff means speaking your mind with little regard to the
consequences.  You always knew where you stood with Jim, a trait some
thought arrogant, but he was just confident in his likes and dislikes.
It was one thing I admired most about him.  If honesty is golden, then he
was too.

Rosen's artistry was three-fold.

First, he played harmonica like few others.  You know that.  Everyone who
heard him knows that.  No matter the context--band, duo, guest spot--you
could always count on playing that should have left his harp glowing red
from the heat.  He was blistering, picking off notes the way Muhammad Ali
flicked the jab--with speed, utter authority and maximum impact.  Mullins
always bragged that Rosen was a good as anyone, anwhere, and he's right.

Second, Rosen was a master of the profanity-laced story.  He could launch
into a ********* anecdote quicker than any you ever knew, and tell it so
good and so funny.  For all the entertaining quotes he gave me over the
years, none compared to those I couldn't print.  He painted the walls with
profanity, creating sprawling murals of cussing that would get more vivid
with each glass of Bushmill's.

Third, and maybe most important, Rosen was madly deeply, forever, in love
with music.  It was what he did, every day.  He could talk for hours about
jazz and blues, and it was nearly impossible to mention a record or
musician that he didn't know.  Once, he covered about 40 years of jazz
history during a single lunchtime story, just as he used to cover 40
years of blues history in a single solo.

The last time I heard from Jim was a couple of weeks ago.  He left a
message.  He'd been in and out of the hospital, losing ground nearly every
day, it seemed, but that wasn't important to him.  He just wanted to gloat
about having gotten a Charlie Parker box set that we both coveted.

"Ten CDs, baby.  I know you're jealous."

I was.  I am.  I miss him.  He'd probably think I'm being a ********
pansy, but I miss him.

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From: Marty Rosen <crosen@INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Jim Rosen (CJ article II)
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The second of two articles about my brother Jim that ran in the Courier
Journal last week.

_Mudcats Blues Band singer Jim Rosen dies of cancer at 42_/by Katherine L.
Sears.

James Abraham "Jim" Rosen, who was the lead singer for the Mudcats Blues
Band and whose inventive harmonica playing captivated local audiences and
his peers, died Wednesday at his home of cancer.  He had turned 42 on
Monday.

Rosen, a Louisville native, grew up in Jeffersonville, Ind., in a musical
family, said his stepmother, Idell Rosen.  She married Rosen's father when
Jim was 11 and insisted that he and his siblings take piano lessons to
learn how to read music, she said yesterday.

However, the harmonica became Rosen's passion, and he practiced every
day, she said.  "I was delighted, she said--although he sometimes drove
her crazy when he learned how to "bend a note," she added, laughing.

Rosen, drummer Gene Wickliffe and singer Sue O'Neil formed the Mudcats
Blues Band 12 years ago.  O'Neil left the group three years later,
followed by bassist Larry Holt.  Aside from Rosen and Wickliffe, the group
also consisted of Rob Pickett, who played guitar and sang, and bassist
Brendan Lewis.  The group released three albums locally.

Rosen's stage presence, soulful vocals and intense harmonica playing
electrified audiences, members of the local music community said
yesterday.

"His powerful sound and magnetic stage presence were a direct reflection
of his gregarious personality," said Scott Mullins, blues producer for
public radio station WFPK-FM.  Mullins, who had known Rosen for 15 years,
said Rosen transcended the blues genre, earning respect from local jazz,
country and rock artists.

"On a national level, others may be better known, but on talent alone Jim
certainly ranked among the very best," Mullins said.  "The Louisville
blues community has suffered a very devastating loss from which it may
never fully recover."

Rosen's friends and family said that he continued to perform and record
despite his illness.  John Timmons, owner of ear X-tacy record stores--on
whose label the Mudcats had recorded--said he expects a live studio album
that Mudcats recorded in December at Mom's Music in Jeffersonville to be
released in the next six weeks.

"Jim is going to me missed.  He was one of my favorite people," Timmons
said.  He said he was saddened that Rosen didn't live long enough to see
his final work completed.

Jeff Carpenter, who owns Real to Reel Studio, where Rosen recorded with
the Mudcats and with other groups, said Rosen was responsible for bringing
new audiences to blues.  He described the large, bearded man as a "Grizzly
Adams" who had "a heart of gold."

"Jim loved blues and he loved jazz very, very much," Carpenter said.  "I
think Jim made people more aware of the blues.  I think he was at the
heart of that."

Rosen's companion, Belinda Cowan, said he was first diagnosed with kideny
cancer 2 1/2 years ago.  He went through a remission, but by last summer
his condition had worsened.

She said that aside from his performing talent, Rosen could answer
questions about any blues performer.

"Jim lived for the blues," she said.  "...He could tell you something
about anybody who was a true bluesman."

Another well-known local blues performer, Londa Crenshaw, was among those
with Rosen when he died.  She said he maintained his sense of humor until
his final day.  "We all felt at peace that he died at home with all the
people who loved him around him," she said.

Crenshaw said a private wake Thursday night was filled with laughter from
the 200 musicians, friends and family who attended.  "We did a lot of
imitating (of) Jim," she said.

As vice president of the Musicians Emergency relief Fund, Rosen helped
raise thousands of dollars for fellow musicians in financial need, she
said.  "He was a really special man."

Rosen taught blues harmonica at Indiana University Southeast in New
Albany.  He received the Sylvester Weaver Award from the Kentuckiana Blues
Society and was a member of Musicians Local 11-637.

Besides his companion and stepmother, Rosen is survied by his father, Al
Rosen; his mother, Jessie Rosen, brothers Peter and Marty Rosen; a
stepbrother, Bill Bizer; and four stepsisters, Vicki Bizer, Pat Mahan,
Beth Van Etten and Peggy Scott.

His body was donated to the University of Louisville School of Medicine.
A memorial concert will begin at 5 p.m. Monday at Butchertown Pub and
Cafe, 1335 Story Ave.

Memorial gifts may go to the Musicians Emergency Relief Fund, P.O. Box
4789, Louisville, KY 40204

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
Organization: Syracuse University Library
Subject:      Re: Olympics
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> Don't know if I spelled his name right, but he's a
> figure skater from France.  He skated tonight for
> exhibition the same routine he used in the competition.
> It was smashing.  Swashbuckling!  (That's what he did
> all over the place, using the fancy footwork and the
> arm movements of fencing . . . and playing to the
> audience every moment.)  Beautiful body movements,
> disarming smile.  Ahhhh.
>
>                                                  - D. M.

    He really skated the same program for the exhibition??
    I think I would have felt cheated if I had seen it - especially
    if I had paid to see it.

Pasha

Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: I'm a Recovering English Major
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jim:
>I've never been  much of a GK fan, although I'd occasionally chuckle with
>him. Living here, I know many Scandanavians, mostly third generation. What
>I heard Keillor say did not resonate with my firsthand experience with
>these folks; it did with the still-pervasive Ole 'n' Lena stereotype, not
>to mention the general dumb-farmer/village-rube mythology.

In some of his writings, GK has made little secret that he did enjoy, and
still resents, the repressive nature of his family and its religion.  Having
read some of his books, it is fairly easy to see the occasional
autobiographical material emerge in his stories of Lake Woebegon.  Clearly,
some of it <is> dark and the odor of alienation is perceptable.  Mostly, I
enjoy him because some of the values, speech patterns, and humor ring true
(having grown up in northwestern Wisconsin).

cwv

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
Organization: Greenery Press
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A wonderful tribute. Thanks to Marty for writing it, and Anne for
sharing it with us.

Verdant

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 19:39 22/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> I don't like them either and for about a year I scrupulously dismissed
>> all cookie requests. But after a while the bastards wore me down and now
>> I've stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb.
>>
>> -aht
>
>I "acept" them, but my cookie file is read-only.

What does that mean and what is the alternative? This is really what I
meant when I asked what I get if I accept. I *know* I get a cookie but what
can of worms do I open?
Maggy
>
>jinny
>
>

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At 23:04 22/02/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Alyce:
>>I was not amused.
>
>Yep.  Us and the Queen.  We're in good company, at least.
>
>Hey!  Y'see that a piece of King Edward's wedding cake
>got auctioned off for 29 grand, or something like that?

Just for the record it was the wedding cake of the Duke of Windsor.

Maggy [accuracy in all things hahah]

>
>Call Jim F.  There may be $$ in wedding cake futures.
>
>Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu               (2)
>
>

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From: Julie Creech <jhc-hbs@ERINET.COM>
Subject:      Shoshana and "O.P. World"
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Following is a copy of a message I posted on Biblio
after reading Shoshana's article in this month's issue
of the Interloc magazine.
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Greetings everyone -

Shoshana Edwards has written a very interesting and
valuable article for this month's issue of "O.P. World"
(formerly "Interloc News").  Her topic was e-mail
etiquette and should be required reading for everyone
who uses e-mail, especially those who use it for
business purposes.

I would like to congratulate Shoshana for a job well done.

Julie Creech
Hunter Booksearch
jhc-hbs@erinet.com
(937) 848-4329
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It is amazing to be articulate at *any* time but even
more so when you consider what Sho is going through
right now.  My hat's off to you!!!

Julie

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Olympics
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>     He really skated the same program for the exhibition??
>     I think I would have felt cheated if I had seen it - especially
>     if I had paid to see it.

It was the same program with several Candelloresque twists -- the
climbing over the wall to kiss the Japanese woman and make her blush,
the back flip.  It was the same program in many respects -- some jumps
in the same places, same music, same swashbuckling footwork.  Much more
showy though.  He's a ham.  Remember his Rocky thing from '94?

I love his D'Artagnan program, and wouldn't feel ripped off to see it
two nights.  I was hoping to see him do that knee-spin thing that was
outlawed, though.

Speaking of French figure skaters, I thought it was totally cool that
Surya Bonaly finished off her amateur career by giving the judges a
metaphoric finger by throwing a back-flip into her long program.  And
then finished with her back to them.

Marie

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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Marie wrote:

> Speaking of French figure skaters, I thought it was totally cool that
> Surya Bonaly finished off her amateur career by giving the judges a
> metaphoric finger by throwing a back-flip into her long program.  And
> then finished with her back to them.

I agree.  Seeing her land that back-flip on one skate was amazing.  What
strength!

Do you all agree that our home town boy, Scott Hamilton, is a very good
commentator?  He sounded very down to earth and unaffected to me.

Aunti

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Thoughts during an election year
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

        "A resident of Arizona for 10 years - not because I was
forced to come here or lacked the means of leaving - I have,
during that period, full realized that men are elected to public
office in Arizona, not so much on account of their possessing
pre-eminent qualifications, as a liberal endowment of that
valuable article commonly known as 'gall' - and having, by a long
connection with the Territorial press, gathered more of that
commodity than anything else, I have concluded to shy my castor
into the political arena to realize something on it.  I do so
entirely on my own responsibility.  No anxious public, the
solicitation of many friends, nor the wishes of many prominent
citizens have made the slightest effort to bluff me into it.  To
be frank, it is not a case where the office is wearing itself out
for the man - not much!  Here is the man wearing himself out
hunting for the office for the simple reason that it is a soft
berth, with a salary of $2,000 per annum attached.  While in the
way of special qualifications, I have no advantage over 75
percent of my fellow citizens in the County, yet I believe I am
fully competent to discharge all the duties incident to the
office in an efficient manner, if elected.  If you coincide in
this opinion, support me if you see fit; if you do not, you will
by no means jeopardize the safety of the universe by defeating
me."

                                Bucky O'Neill
                                Prescott, Yavapai County
                                Arizona Territory

PS - he made judge by eight votes

JMW


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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Lisa--are your friends on the box?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>>So only 15 of the 20 members of the women's hockey team made it on the
box--5 of them were left off because of college eligibility issues. Bummer!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com
<<

Yes, my friends made it on the box. I don't know any of the college kids but,
I do feel bad for them. I can't imagine anyone who played sports who didn't
dream of being on the wheaties box. To have the chance and not be able to
take it because you'll loose your college elgibility, that really stinks.

lisa

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Subject:      Resume Slowly
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I'm unsetting nomail with this squirt, but I'm way behind in both e-mail
and snail-mail, not to mention unpacking, trying to figure out who sent me
some gorgeous tins of Chinese tea with Japanese return address, and generally
getting my life in order.  So don't get too interesting in your discussions
quite yet.

But do we have deer farms in the US?

And did the Pacific dwellers among you feel my spoors washing up on the
California beaches a few days ago when I was wading in the ocean at Pahia?
I hope none of those people's barf bits spilled into the water the day I
went on a boat to go through the Hole-in-the-Rock when I was loving the
tossing and turning of the boat in the waves but when various people on
the boat were barfing into the bags that the crew members were rushing
around handing out.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Subject:      Re: Lisa--are your friends on the box?
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In-Reply-To:  <01ITX9EGR64Y96CEV6@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Feb 23,
              98 03:14:22 pm

Lisa Alfieri said:
> Yes, my friends made it on the box. I don't know any of the college kids but,
> I do feel bad for them. I can't imagine anyone who played sports who didn't
> dream of being on the wheaties box. To have the chance and not be able to
> take it because you'll loose your college elgibility, that really stinks.

Lose, not loose, but otherwise I totally agree. Heck, *I* dream of
being on the Wheaties box.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              24, 98 10:53:04 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> I'm unsetting nomail with this squirt, but I'm way behind in both
> e-mail and snail-mail, not to mention unpacking, trying to figure
> out who sent me some gorgeous tins of Chinese tea with Japanese
> return address, and generally getting my life in order.

This reminds me--thank you very much for my prize! I have it hanging
up at work.

> So don't get too interesting in your discussions
> quite yet.

Darn, my life got Very Interesting this afternoon, but I guess I can't
talk about it.

> And did the Pacific dwellers among you feel my spoors washing up on the
> California beaches a few days ago when I was wading in the ocean at Pahia?

I believe we were a bit wet to notice--although the sun came out this
afternoon. (Which had nothing to do w/ my Very Interesting Life.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      N.O., LA
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Errol Laborde, editor of New Orleans Magazine, insists that New
Orleanians don't deserve their wild reputation.  "We're pretty much
part of the American mainstream, trying to live by the same New
Year's resolutions as everyone else," he says.  "The only difference
is that we have more temptations."

This is a considerable understatement....
                                           --Wall St Journal, 2/23/98

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On 23 Feb 98 at 18:18, Karen Kay wrote:

> > So don't get too interesting in your discussions
> > quite yet.
>
> Darn, my life got Very Interesting this afternoon, but I guess I can't
> talk about it.
>
> > And did the Pacific dwellers among you feel my spoors washing up on the
> > California beaches a few days ago when I was wading in the ocean at Pahia?
>
> I believe we were a bit wet to notice--although the sun came out this
> afternoon. (Which had nothing to do w/ my Very Interesting Life.)

You don't have to talk about it.  Just tell us what you're going to
say when you do talk about it.  Did you get a job?

Myles

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At 07:37 AM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>steph said:
>> I hate netscrape.
>
>Why?
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com
>
>

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> Are bluebonnets the same as lupines?
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

Holler Ral NC USA - The only bluebonnet I ever encountered was the
bluebonnet plague, and the only Lupine was Ida Lupino, better known
as Miss I-Wolf.

My apologies for jumping in the middle of what I'm sure is
interesting conversation.  I just haven't read any of it, because I'm
sure it's dull--mimicking Jack Nicholson in the movie I just saw.

Bill
Now, it's just not like me to talk like that, so I take it back.

OK.  Candy-Ass Bill

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Subject:      Competition
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Bill Holler Ral NC USA

I have a question, the answer to which I'm afraid I know before I
ask.

Why ask it?  I don't know.  But anyway...

Why is it that American culture, no, American and European cultures,
no, American and most other cultures are compelled to take a
phenomenon--craft or art, or anything--and make a *competition* out
of it?

In the minds of many people, there seems to have to be a winner and a
loser (not to mention the silver and the bronze) in almost
everything.  Dancing, yes ice dancing, that beautiful swirling about
in costumes on ice, is now scored with decimal point accuracy.

Skiing once upon a time, and snow boarding, were once <freedom in
the snow>, but they are now corralled (sp?) in; made to conform to
certain regulations and *scored*.

Is it a testeronic sort of thing (many women seem to like it as well
as men)?

Why the hell, in the minds of many people, does there have to be a
winner and a loser for something to be <fuuuun>?

Bill, who is less ill every day.  Went alone (for the first time) to
the movies.  Saw Titanic yesterday and As Good as it Gets today. One
got four stars in our local listing; the other three--and I agree.
First time I'd been to a real movie theater in two years.

It was wonderful.

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Bill Holler wrote:
>
> Bill, who is less ill every day.

Wonderful!

> Went alone (for the first time) to the movies.

Excellent!

> It was wonderful.

Yay!

alyce

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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Maggy or Sarah B wrote:

> What does that mean and what is the alternative? This is really what I

Depends on how evil the web site is you're getting cookies from. They can
be used for good or evil, but very few are value-neutral. Mostly they
help invade your privacy and give out personal secrets about yourself to
strangers who neither know nor care about you. But that can be a GOOD
thing, right? RIGHT?? Why not try reading a little about them for
yourself? They're widely written-about on the web.

-aht

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In-Reply-To:  <199802240316.WAA12089@smtp1.erols.com> from "Myles Callum" at
              Feb 23, 98 10:10:43 pm

Myles Callum said:
> You don't have to talk about it.  Just tell us what you're going to
> say when you do talk about it.  Did you get a job?

No, I totalled my car. And I couldn't rent another one, which means
that I'm missing my interview tomorrow morning.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <92C0BC417C@social.chass.ncsu.edu> from "Bill Holler" at Feb 23,
              98 11:04:48 pm

Bill Holler said:
> Why ask it?  I don't know.  But anyway...
>
> Why is it that American culture, no, American and European cultures,
> no, American and most other cultures are compelled to take a
> phenomenon--craft or art, or anything--and make a *competition* out
> of it?

It's a testosterone thing.

> Is it a testeronic sort of thing (many women seem to like it as well
> as men)?

Sure. Women have testosterone too, you know.

> Bill, who is less ill every day.

Cool!

> Went alone (for the first time) to
> the movies.  Saw Titanic yesterday and As Good as it Gets today. One
> got four stars in our local listing; the other three--and I agree.

AGAIG was the 4 stars, right?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Bill Holler wrote:
>
> Bill, who is less ill every day.  Went alone (for the first time) to
> the movies.  Saw Titanic yesterday and As Good as it Gets today. One
> got four stars in our local listing; the other three--and I agree.
> First time I'd been to a real movie theater in two years.
>
> It was wonderful.

Way to Go, Bill. Glad you are getting out.  Hope you seen another movie
soon.

As for competition, I don't compete and do what I must to avoid being
drawn into competitions.   My son was very angry when I told him who the
winner of some event was before he watched it.   He was also ticked off
by my attitude that all anyone needs to see of an athletic event is the
end.     Keith on the other hand was VERY competitive.
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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At  7:07 2/16/98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>
>>  I never forgot it; I was being deliberately misleading to taunt you -- a
>>  great Cal partisan -- for thinking that Miss Natalie would give a rat's
>>  rip what the Ole Miss Rebels did to Kentucky, which was beat the fire out
>>  of a team that had them on the ropes at halftime.  Actually, now that I
>>  think about it, Miss Natalie probably wouldn't give a rat's rip if her own
>>  Mississippi State Bulldogs beat Kentucky convincingly.
>
>I thought as much but I bet you are wrong about Natalie. I bet she
>will be gloating when she finds out.

Thank you for the cc of this list posting, Betty, but I'm not sure that I'm
sure exactly what this is all about.

Do I give a rat's rip about a basketball game between Ole Miss and Kentucky?
No.  I can think of various reasons for being for one or the other of those
two teams, but the reasons pretty much balance out, leaving me not caring
which one wins.  I guess the Kentucky side might be slightly heavier-weighted
since I consider Bradykins a very good friend and thus care about his team.
Would I give a rat's rip about a game between MSU and Kentucky?  Yes.  Altho
I never even thought about going to school at MSU, I have taught there for
over 25 years now and of course feel a <connection>.  But the rat's rip
would be miniscule unless it was an interesting season like the one a couple
of years ago.  I don't follow MSU sports unless there's something interesting
to follow.

I heard in e-mail that MSU's basketball coach is about to be fired.  That's
kind of sad since he seems like a nice person.  I also heard that when
Marcus Bullard was sprung from Parchman recently, he started playing
basketball for Auburn-at-Montgomery but was recently kicked out of school
or at least off the team for something drug-related.

Coverage of the Olympics was almost non-existent in NZ, btw.  I was
disappointed since I had hoped to follow the happenings on tv at night.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
Organization: S.words
Subject:      Cupcakes
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I shared the bit about Go.To.Com (sent by KK) with my darlink cupcakes
today and asked them to comment on it.

Over 60 percent of them thought money rules and would like to use
Go.To.Com instead of Yahoo.   They said those who paid more would
deserve to be used and the others ignored.  The advertising would help
control the net and eliminate junk.

I'm screaming.

What should I say to them?  I can't go smashing them; I must thrash them
into thinking.
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Resume Slowly
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen Kay wrote:
>
> No, I totalled my car. And I couldn't rent another one, which means
> that I'm missing my interview tomorrow morning.

But you are OK? You weren't hurt? Did it happen because of the rain?

alyce

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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In-Reply-To:  <34F255B3.7E45@mindspring.com> from "Sylvia Edwards" at Feb 23,
              98 11:08:06 pm

Sylvia Edwards said:
> I shared the bit about Go.To.Com (sent by KK)

I thought someone else sent it. Like Bad Betty.

> Over 60 percent of them thought money rules and would like to use
> Go.To.Com instead of Yahoo.   They said those who paid more would
> deserve to be used and the others ignored.  The advertising would help
> control the net and eliminate junk.
>
> I'm screaming.

Me, too!

> What should I say to them?  I can't go smashing them; I must thrash them
> into thinking.

Bring an Uzi to class.

Let'se see. Arguments. Well, a lot of porno sites are heavily
advertised. But sites like the Philip Ahn page are not.

Then there are places like www.onelook.com that run advertisements
that crash Netscape for me. (I did extensive testing with the owner of
the page and we determined that indeed it was the banner ad that
fucked me up.) So sometimes ads are directly deleterious.

'control the net' means you'll only see pages that advertisers want to
sponsor. The book that I recently used to help me futz w/ my PC has no
advertising. It's sponsored by the author. I guess that's it--there
are a lot of hobby pages w/ a lot of information that would get shoved
to the bottom of the pile. That would be a mistake.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
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On 23 Feb 98 at 20:56, Karen Kay wrote:

> Myles Callum said:
> > You don't have to talk about it.  Just tell us what you're going to
> > say when you do talk about it.  Did you get a job?
>
> No, I totalled my car. And I couldn't rent another one, which means
> that I'm missing my interview tomorrow morning.

Jeez.  Sorry to hear it.  Nobody hurt, I hope?  What happened?

Myles

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In-Reply-To:  <34F25707.102C7880@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 24,
              98 00:13:43 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> But you are OK? You weren't hurt? Did it happen because of the rain?

Yes, no, no. It's the famous car-meets-SUV scenario:  car is totalled,
SUV is unscathed.

I was very shaken when it happened, but felt pretty good--until I
realized that there are no rental cars in the Bay Area during the
week. Well, I guess it's better than having to discover that there are
no hotel rooms, like the people we saw in the airport.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Theodora M Groothof <TheodoraGroothof@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Competition
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"Why is it that American culture, no, American and European cultures,
no, American and most other cultures are compelled to take a
phenomenon--craft or art, or anything--and make a *competition* out
of it?
"-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
Bill, I've often wondered about it myself. It was my understanding that t=
he
olympics were only for amateurs, but this doesn't seem the case anymore. =

I heard talk about how much money can be made by the winners on TV too.
Sportsmanship doesn't seem to count for anything these days anymore, not =
to
mention the fun of it. I'm glad you brought it up; it's been on my mind
too.
Bill, it is great that you get out more and able to go places. As a
housebound person I know what it means. All my best to you. Hugz Theo

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: More noise
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> At  7:07 2/16/98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> >On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
> >>
> >>  I never forgot it; I was being deliberately misleading to taunt you -- a
> >>  great Cal partisan -- for thinking that Miss Natalie would give a rat's
> >>  rip what the Ole Miss Rebels did to Kentucky, which was beat the fire out
> >>  of a team that had them on the ropes at halftime.  Actually, now that I
> >>  think about it, Miss Natalie probably wouldn't give a rat's rip if her own
> >>  Mississippi State Bulldogs beat Kentucky convincingly.
> >
> >I thought as much but I bet you are wrong about Natalie. I bet she
> >will be gloating when she finds out.
>
> Thank you for the cc of this list posting, Betty, but I'm not sure that I'm
> sure exactly what this is all about.

Well, you gave the wrong answer and proved Brad correct. I'll never cc you
another thing!

Betty

You were supposed to harrass him unmercifully. Throw it in his face every
chance you get, etc. Be relentless in lording it over him. Remind him of
it constantly.

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Prizes and Bill and Cars
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen:
>This reminds me--thank you very much for my prize! I have it hanging
>up at work.

Oh good!  But the big question is this:  Is it in fact a handkerchief?
That's what I was hoping it was since you said you had a hard time finding
them.  You may recall that I mentioned then that I have a hard time being
sure whether something I'm looking at is a handkerchief or a scarf or a
napkin or a I'm not sure what.

Speaking of prizes, don't do anything prize-worthy, Alyce, or I'll regret
even more that I didn't buy that little fuzzy sheep refrigerator magnet
I saw at a sheep farm on Walter's Peak, across the water from Queenstown.
I thought of you constantly as I saw sheep everywhere, with occasional
thoughts of Bonnie's sheep sweater gif thrown in.  I started to buy that
furry magnet that day but needed to rush to jump on the return boat and
thought that surely I'd see something similar later.  I didn't, though.
I saw lots of little sheep things later, but they all looked too tourist-
trappish, with "New Zealand" written across them -- like little alligators
at Florida turnpike stops etc.  I was hoping to have one last fling at
finding stuff in Auckland that last night, but the few stores that normally
stay open on Sundays were all closed because of the Auckland electricity
crisis.  I don't know what happened since I left there yesterday morning.
At that time the city was hanging on by one feeble cable that could handle
a maximum of 20% of the city's normal power usage.  Things were looking dire.

>Darn, my life got Very Interesting this afternoon, but I guess I can't
>talk about it.

Tomorrow will be ok, though.  I'm about to get caught up.  Well, sort of.
Not really.  But closer.

Bill:
>Bill, who is less ill every day.

And that is good news.

Karen:
>No, I totalled my car. And I couldn't rent another one, which means
>that I'm missing my interview tomorrow morning.

Eeek.  What happened?  Why couldn't you rent another one?  Is there some
other way to get to the interview?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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In-Reply-To:  <199802240628.PAA27708@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Feb
              24, 98 03:39:11 pm

Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen:
> >This reminds me--thank you very much for my prize! I have it hanging
> >up at work.
>
> Oh good!  But the big question is this:  Is it in fact a handkerchief?
> That's what I was hoping it was since you said you had a hard time finding
> them.  You may recall that I mentioned then that I have a hard time being
> sure whether something I'm looking at is a handkerchief or a scarf or a
> napkin or a I'm not sure what.

I'm pretty sure it's a scarf--it's more than a foot wide. (I don't
wear scarves--but I did hang it on my cube, like a (small)
wall-hanging.) I was hoping it was a furoshiki, but it's too small
for that.

> Is there some other way to get to the interview?

No. I guess trains and buses must run near there, but I don't even
know where the company is, exactly.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Yellow Pages
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Btw, I did look up rental cars in the Yellow Pages. Didn't phone the
place in the ads till about the 3rd one. I did notice that I am
slightly more likely to phone a place that uses bold type, but that's
only a slight preference based on the size of type and font the YP
uses. (If the only ones I can read are the bold ones, those are the
ones I call.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HD.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: I'm a Recovering English Major
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At 09:02 23.02.98 -0600, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
>matter how heroic.  Maybe it's the soul of all humor. If a man walks around
>the banana peel, nothing funny has happened. Somebody ought to do a little

Actually, for something funny to happen the man *should* walk around the
banana peel - and then fall down a manhole.

espen

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980224082509.008043a0@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Feb 24, 98 08:25:09 am

Espen S. Ore said:
> Actually, for something funny to happen the man *should* walk around the
> banana peel - and then fall down a manhole.

Hey!!! I know *exactly* how this feels!!!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HD.UIB.NO>
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At 23:04 23.02.98 -0500, Bill Holler wrote:
>Skiing once upon a time, and snow boarding, were once <freedom in
>the snow>, but they are now corralled (sp?) in; made to conform to
>certain regulations and *scored*.
>
>Is it a testeronic sort of thing (many women seem to like it as well
>as men)?

In any case it must have happened years and years ago. Different localities
have different sports but they are scored in one way or other. In Saxo
Grammaticus' Danish history (ca 1200) and Snorri's sagas about the
Norwegian kings (ca 1220) there are variants of the Wilhelm Tell story (and
since Wilhelm Tell is placed later in time this shows that he, too, is
mostly myth) which also involve downhill skiing.

espen

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>> >I thought as much but I bet you are wrong about Natalie. I bet she
>> >will be gloating when she finds out.
>>
>> Thank you for the cc of this list posting, Betty, but I'm not sure that I'm
>> sure exactly what this is all about.
>
>Well, you gave the wrong answer and proved Brad correct. I'll never cc you
>another thing!
>
>You were supposed to harrass him unmercifully. Throw it in his face every
>chance you get, etc. Be relentless in lording it over him. Remind him of
>it constantly.

 GET IN THE BALL GAME, BETTY CLARK !

 brad

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>At 09:02 23.02.98 -0600, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
>>matter how heroic.  Maybe it's the soul of all humor. If a man walks around
>>the banana peel, nothing funny has happened. Somebody ought to do a little
>
>Actually, for something funny to happen the man *should* walk around the
>banana peel - and then fall down a manhole.
>
>espen

Quite true, but such subtlety strains the attention span of the
pre-millennial mind.

73s
Jim

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>Did Poland win any medals?

Bold Equestrianism is a summer sport. Stay tuned.

73s
Ski

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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>Why is it that American culture, no, American and European cultures,
>no, American and most other cultures are compelled to take a
>phenomenon--craft or art, or anything--and make a *competition* out
>of it?

I don't know, but it's a worthy question. Personally, I could almost quit
fishing in response to it having become a competitive sport with a huge
slack-jawed teevee audience.

I suppose it's mostly driven by commerce. I caught my first game fish from
a rented 12-foot rowboat that needed paint. There would be no way to
photograph that and sell $30,000 "bass" boats, electronic fish finders,
titanium reels and graphite composite rods.

If it isn't commerce maybe it's incapacity to appreciate an activity for
its own sake. Gliding along a reef, idly blowing bubbles at fish, I
sometimes wonder how long until someone figures out how to turn scuba
diving into a competitive sport.

Nice to hear you're feeling better.

73s
jim


Nicew

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>>Did Poland win any medals?
>
>Bold Equestrianism is a summer sport. Stay tuned.
>
>73s
>Ski

 I have a withering comeback to this, but your mail is still bouncing.

 brad

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>...for the man - not much!  Here is the man wearing himself out
>hunting for the office for the simple reason that it is a soft
>berth, with a salary of $2,000 per annum attached.  While in the
>way of special qualifications, I have no advantage over 75
>percent of my fellow citizens ...

And the story  about a guy trying to win a courthouse job. Asked about the
"issues," he said: "Main issue is he's got the job and I want it."

73s
G.W. Plunkett

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>>>Did Poland win any medals?
>>
>>Bold Equestrianism is a summer sport. Stay tuned.
>>
>>73s
>>Ski
>
> I have a withering comeback to this, but your mail is still bouncing.
>
> brad

Sorry to hear that, though I'm already sufficiently withered this morning.

73s
James of Withering Heights

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So, James, did you make it to Faribault for some of Lisa's Lasagna?

bra

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>So, James, did you make it to Faribault for some of Lisa's Lasagna?
>
>bra

Nope, dern it. I couldn't get out of town Saturday, and she had some sort
of professional commitment Sunday.  Irks me. She makes outstanding lasagna.
Happiness is raising a kid who turns out to be both self-supporting and a
minor whiz in the kitchen.

73s
Jim

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>I heard in e-mail that MSU's basketball coach is about to be fired.  That's
>kind of sad since he seems like a nice person.

> -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

 Already fired, effective end of the season.  A good bench coach,
 but there seems to be some question of a pregnant cheerleader,
 according to Dad...

 brad

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> What should I say to them?  I can't go smashing them; I must thrash them
> into thinking.

Say to them that they might as well keep using AltaVista and the other
mainline searchers, because their indices are already starting to be
skewed by big-money advertising. They're only different from these new
guys in the degree to which money influences their results pages.

-aht

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Significant Questions
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

  Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars, and he'll believe you.
  Tell him a bench has wet paint, and he has to touch it.

  How come Superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always
  ducked when someone threw a gun at him?

  If it was only a 3 hours cruise, why did Mrs. Howell have so many
  clothes?

  Why is it called a Hamburger, when it's made out of Beef?

  Why does Sour Cream have an expiration date?

  What would a chair look like, if your knees bent the other way?

  If "con" is the opposite of "pro"....then what is the opposite progress?

  Why is lemon juice mostly artificial ingredients...but Dish Washing
  Liquid contains real lemons?

  How much deeper would the ocean be, if Sponges didn't grow in it?

  Why buy a product that it takes 2000 flushes to get rid of?

  Why do we wait until a Pig is dead, to "cure" it?

  Why do we wash Bath Towels....aren't we clean when we use them?

  Why do we put Suits in a Garment Bag, and put Garments in a Suitcase?

  Why doesn't Glue stick to the inside of the bottle?

  Do Roman paramedics refer to IVs as "4s"?

  Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "S" in it?

  What do little birdies see, when they get knocked unconscious?

  If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?

  If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is
  it considered to be a hostage situation?

  Instead of talking to your plants, if you yelled at them would they
  still grow, only to be troubled and insecure?

  What's another word for synonym?

  Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice"?
  (Lawyers, too, but that's not too surprising!)

  When sign makers go on strike, is anything written on their signs?

  When you open a bag of cotton balls, is the top one meant to be thrown
  away?

  Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"?

  Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

  Is it possible to be totally partial?

  If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages?

  Would a fly that loses its wings be called a walk?

  If a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, will it make a sound?

  If a turtle loses his shell, it it naked or homeless?

  Why don't sheep shrink when it rains?

  Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

  If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain
  silent?

  Why do people who know the least know it the loudest?

  If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?


   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Marie wrote:

> Speaking of French figure skaters, I thought it was totally cool that
> Surya Bonaly finished off her amateur career by giving the judges a
> metaphoric finger by throwing a back-flip into her long program.  And

Yup - it annoys me that back-flips aren't allowed in amateur competition.
The only reason I ever heard was that a flip is basically a jump, the
skater has to land a jump on one foot to have done it correctly, and (for
a while) everyone did two-footed landings from flips.

Then Bonaly got to the point she could land on one foot & keep going as
with any other jump.  But flips are still banned.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>Over 60 percent of them thought money rules and would like to use
>Go.To.Com instead of Yahoo.   They said those who paid more would
>deserve to be used and the others ignored.  The advertising would help
>control the net and eliminate junk.
>
>I'm screaming.
>
>What should I say to them?  I can't go smashing them; I must thrash them
>into thinking.
>--
>Sylvia Edwards

Tell them to think of tv.  Is it better to watch a movie uninterrupted by
commercials or to have a five commericial break every ten minutes?  Do big
money companies produce better tv?  Ask for examples.

Does it seem more dignified when a production is brought to us uninterrupted
with simply an announcement at the end saying: this play was sponsored by:
xyz.  Why or why not is that more dignified?

Tell them about Francis Ford Coppola who makes Hollywood movies in order to
get some money together in order to make his own movies.  Does he think his
own movies, uninfluenced by Hollywood and corporate monies, are the better,
more creative movies?  What are the chances that they are indeed better?

On a more personal level, would it be better to have parents that trust you
will do what is best with your college education?  Or would you like to have
parents who say:  "I'm footing the bill here.  So I want to be able to
choose your courses and the dorm room you live in.  The more I pay, the more
input I want.  I'll control your life and eliminate the junk."

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
>
>  GET IN THE BALL GAME, BETTY CLARK !

ok. Please don't hit me though.

Betty

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
>
> If it isn't commerce maybe it's incapacity to appreciate an activity for
> its own sake. Gliding along a reef, idly blowing bubbles at fish, I
> sometimes wonder how long until someone figures out how to turn scuba
> diving into a competitive sport.

This is exactly why Lorinda said she loved scuba diving. Absolutely non
competitive.

Betty

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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In-Reply-To:  <199802241523.KAA19421@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 24,
              98 10:23:24 am

bonniev said:
> Tell them to think of tv.  Is it better to watch a movie uninterrupted by
> commercials or to have a five commericial break every ten minutes?  Do big
> money companies produce better tv?  Ask for examples.
>
> Does it seem more dignified when a production is brought to us uninterrupted
> with simply an announcement at the end saying: this play was sponsored by:
> xyz.  Why or why not is that more dignified?

How is this remotely similar to the search engine situation?

> On a more personal level, would it be better to have parents that trust you
> will do what is best with your college education?  Or would you like to have
> parents who say:  "I'm footing the bill here.  So I want to be able to
> choose your courses and the dorm room you live in.  The more I pay, the more
> input I want.  I'll control your life and eliminate the junk."

You're missing the point entirely, Bonnie. We're not talking about The
Evils of Web Advertising, we're talking about the evils of ranking
sites with more advertising first. It's like going to a library and
doing a search and having the card catalog list more heavily
advertised books first, rather than alphabetically or by call number!

In fact, I think much of web advertising is good. When I searched car
rentals on the web last night, I was given the URLs of two places that
sell cars. I'll look at them later today.

Karen
  my.ribs.hurt@wordwrite.com

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:
> Do you all agree that our home town boy, Scott Hamilton, is a very good
> commentator?  He sounded very down to earth and unaffected to me.

Well, I love Scotty, but many (I think mainly of the male type)
definitely don't agree.  As a commentator he is too nice, though.
Everything is HUGE, great, wonderful, and if something goes wrong,
he tends to shut up.

My *friend* commented once, "That guy has to die."  I couldn't help
but respond, "Well, he DOES have cancer, you dork."

Marie

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      A test of the new roof
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

A Nor'easter is heading up the coast.  50mph winds, they say.  Here's our
test.  I'm not sending the final check for the roof until I see those
shingles stay in place.

Weather looks good for travel this weekend.  Did we say 6:30, Myles??  Could
you please send me your phone number in case we have trouble on the road and
need to cancel?

I sent off five boxes of things to North Carolina yesterday.  Including the
Scrabble game.  Now, I guess we have to go.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>You're missing the point entirely, Bonnie.
>
>Karen

O.K.  Sorry to speak up.  I'll be quiet now.  You won't have to listen to me
for a full month.  Be happy, little crash victim.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      cat fights
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Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
any of my other lists.

I wish I could come to the party. Have a good time all you folk.

S

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Marie wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:
> > Do you all agree that our home town boy, Scott Hamilton, is a very good
> > commentator?  He sounded very down to earth and unaffected to me.
>
> Well, I love Scotty, but many (I think mainly of the male type)
> definitely don't agree.  As a commentator he is too nice, though.
> Everything is HUGE, great, wonderful, and if something goes wrong,
> he tends to shut up.

And all of the judges that he knows are of such fine character.  I liked
him, too, however.

Betty

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:

> Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
> any of my other lists.

WTF are you talking about?

Betty

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              <holler.social.chass.ncsu@social.chass.ncsu.edu>
From: Bill Holler <holler@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Movies and a Question for Myles, or Anybody
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Thanks for the interest in my direction concerning getting out and
going to movies.

Sunday was Titanic.  Monday was As Good As It Gets.  And today, in
about an hour, it's gonna be LA Confidential.

I found a movie cluster of six theaters I can get in and out of
easily in a chair.

They have the perfect little <box> that accomodates wheel chairs.  I
take along my drink holder that attaches to the arm and a soda.

Am able to take off braces.  Occasionally stand, with a rail nearby,
to relieve the leg muscles.

Pop a couple of muscle relaxant pills during the show, and it works
great.

QUESTION:  IMFTATL, Re. the Jack Nicholson and Helen stone movie.  Is
that <as good as it could have gotten (got)>?

If not, why not?

Though I have never personally liked the persona of Jack Nicholson
(he strikes me as a guy with BO), I see that he is a great actor, and
was IMHO outstanding in AGAIG.

I don't think the director developed his character (or I should say,
exposed the reason for his behavior) quite enough toward the end.

He's obviously eaten alive with obsessive-compulsive disorders, but
the movie doesn't come right out and say it.

There was reference to the pill, and the fact that he was (without
Stone) <compelled> NOT to take them.

Are we to believe that the Magic of their love, or the magic of his
attraction and attachment to her were eventially going resolve his
wierdness--get him to take the pills, etc. etc. and they all live
happily ever after?

Or would fate have it that his bizarreness was really part of what
she was attracted to and that they would go thru life like
that--sometimes together in an electric chair and other times on the
wings of a dove?

Gotta go, or I'll be late for LA.

Bill

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 11:10 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>
>> Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
>> any of my other lists.
>
>WTF are you talking about?
>
WhyTF are you asking? It didn't refer to you, Betty Clark. I was actually
in a pretty good humor until your fucking mail came through. Thought it was
funny and amusing. Not funny anymore.

And BonnieMae is no mail anyway, so no more cat fights.  Sorry to have
offended your little world.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              "Shoshana Edwards" at Feb 24, 98 12:43:55 pm

Shoshana Edwards said:
> At 11:10 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
> >
> >> Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
> >> any of my other lists.
> >
> >WTF are you talking about?
> >
> WhyTF are you asking? It didn't refer to you, Betty Clark.

Because this is Fucking Words-L. Mail sent to the list is property of
everyone on the list.

> I was actually
> in a pretty good humor until your fucking mail came through. Thought it was
> funny and amusing. Not funny anymore.

Too bad for you.

> And BonnieMae is no mail anyway, so no more cat fights.

I'm still unclear as to why you thought this was a cat fight. There
was no fight. Bonnie was being pretentiously pseudo-intellectual and I
called her on totally missing the point. She apologized for wasting my
time. Where's the fight?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:

> At 11:10 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
> >
> >> Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
> >> any of my other lists.
> >
> >WTF are you talking about?
> >
> WhyTF are you asking? It didn't refer to you, Betty Clark. I was actually
> in a pretty good humor until your fucking mail came through. Thought it was
> funny and amusing. Not funny anymore.

Oh, my.  I didn't think that I had to put a smiley at the end. Guess I
should have.

Betty

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At 12:46 PM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:

>I'm still unclear as to why you thought this was a cat fight. There
>was no fight. Bonnie was being pretentiously pseudo-intellectual and I
>called her on totally missing the point. She apologized for wasting my
>time. Where's the fight?
>
That's the point. ON a couple of lists I sub to, this exchange would have
boiled down to name calling, hair pulling flaming idiocy.  The two of you
go at it for reasons I don't begin to understand, but it is always benign
and always interesting. Until now, that is.

I rather like Betty most of the time; but any time she thinks I've said or
implied something the least bit negative about Bonnie she's on my back.
It's tiresome and boring. So I'll ignore it from now.

Forget I said anything, Karen. It wasn't meant as an insult. But it was
obviously taken that way.  Sorry.

s

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>
> I rather like Betty most of the time; but any time she thinks I've said or
> implied something the least bit negative about Bonnie she's on my back.
> It's tiresome and boring. So I'll ignore it from now.

Huh?

Isn't this fun? It's a slow day at work.

I'll defend Myles. Bonnie can defend herself.


Betty

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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 24, 98 01:52:37 pm

Betty Clark said:
> Isn't this fun? It's a slow day at work.

Does this mean you have time to look for a car for me?

> I'll defend Myles. Bonnie can defend herself.

No, she set nomail.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:

> And BonnieMae is no mail anyway, so no more cat fights.  Sorry to have
> offended your little world.



Mee--OWW!

-a

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On 23 Feb 98 at 11:13, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIA  wrote:

> Okay, so how come The History Channel isn't available in Canada?  Can't afford
> the exchange rate?

Um, I dunno - I don't really watch TV.  There is some history TV
thing on cable, I know.  Are most of the Canadian specialty channels
available in the US ?  How did this unavailability come up ?

Tony H.

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At 04:03 PM 2/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>
>> And BonnieMae is no mail anyway, so no more cat fights.  Sorry to have
>> offended your little world.
>
>Mee--OWW!
>
purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

s

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On 24 Feb 98 at 13:52, Betty Clark wrote:

> I'll defend Myles.

I'll take any help I can get.  Anyway, I got the pictures yesterday;
many thanks!

Larry's seagull-at-the-beach photo is great.  Is there a name for
this technique of transferring the image onto canvas?  It's pretty
cool.  Could make some great sweatshirts.

Myles

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>> Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
>> any of my other lists.
>
>WTF are you talking about?
>
>Betty

You are a trouble-maker, Betty Clark.

Ken Miller
Ludological Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

In case you hadn't figured it out, it ain't a good day. But there don't
seem to be too many of those lately.

It is impossible to sustain intense grief all the time. It ebbs and flows.
I find myself laughing uproariously with a friend on the phone, only to be
succumbed with grief an hour later. The major thing that has changed is
that I am no longer overwhelmed with fear about going on after Morgan has
died.  I have spent a great deal of time planning and examining
possibilities. I have decided to stay in this house for a while; a major
move right after such a major loss would not be a bright thing to do. I
will attempt to get a couple of friends to live with me, since the house is
far too big for one person. And I will go to work for a company I highly
respect, doing their education and training. The contract is not yet
signed, but it will be in about two months. In the meantime I continue to
sell books. Or at least try to.

It is difficult to work. I can't concentrate. I am hugely hungry for
companionship and find myself spending a lot of time with my mailing lists,
writing to people, or on the phone. Now that I have some respite care
through Hospice, I am going to see some movies, go to some gardens, things
like that.

Morgan continues to fail physically. He is very thin and very weak.
However, he remains mentally alert most of the time. He cannot sustain a
long conversation; he loses his train of thought easily. Sometimes he seems
hyperalert, which the hospice people tell me is part of the dying process.

I had no idea how hard this was going to be. Nevertheless, I must get some
work done if we are to pay the bills this and the next month. Sleep would
be nice. Sleep eludes me for many reasons. I am like a new mother, barely
asleep and completely awake at each little sound from my dear Bear.

And I am touchy. (yea, I know you couldn't tell.) Silly things set me off:
seeing old couples in the grocery store and getting angry knowing that
won't be for us; seeing people with children and wishing we had children
together, and wishing I had mine back; seeing the seed catalogues and
knowing we will not do the garden together we had planned. I will do it
anyway, but it won't be the same.

I find myself wanting things to be like they were. But I think Sylvia said
something about that already.

It is a beautiful day in Oregon. The sun is shining, the clouds are few and
big and fluffy and white. The camellias are in blue, the daffodils and
jonquils are peeping up, the peony has started to grow again, the roses are
putting out new leaves and shoots, and the tiny blue irises will soon be in
full bloom.

S

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Harrassing Brad, Scarves, Fish, Pregnant Cheerleaders
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

[That participle goes with only the first of those nouns.]

Betty:
>Well, you gave the wrong answer and proved Brad correct. I'll never cc you
>another thing!

Oh dear.  I promise to try harder next time to give the right answer.

>You were supposed to harrass him unmercifully. Throw it in his face every
>chance you get, etc. Be relentless in lording it over him. Remind him of
>it constantly.

Would it help if I brought up the subject of the famous Kentucky t-shirts
of year before last?  The ones Kentucky made in advance of the SEC tournament
and then had to eat?

Karen:
>I'm pretty sure it's a scarf--it's more than a foot wide.

<sigh>.  I thought it was a large handkerchief.

Jim:
>I don't know, but it's a worthy question. Personally, I could almost quit
>fishing in response to it having become a competitive sport with a huge
>slack-jawed teevee audience.

There was a huge fishing competition going on on "Ninety-Mile Beach" in
NZ last weekend.  I was on a bus that drove along the beach -- as in on
the sand, which is a public highway -- the last day of the tournament.
I wonder if the Korean did win.  He had by far the largest fish as of that
day, the last day.  The funny thing was that early in the week he had been
fishing near some of the other competitors, had kept getting his line tangled
up with theirs, and they had told him to get out of their way.  So he went
over to some shallows across the way and immediately pulled in a gigantic
marlin(?), winning that day's $3,000 and being almost ensured of winning
the grand prize of $50,000 at the end.

Brad:
> but there seems to be some question of a pregnant cheerleader,
> according to Dad...

Is that grounds for firing?  Wonder if it would be if we had had good
seasons this year and last.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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Bonnie:
>Tell them to think of tv.  Is it better to watch a movie uninterrupted by
>commercials or to have a five commericial break every ten minutes?

The answer to this depends, imho, on whether you're watching it live or
have taped it.  When watching it live, I prefer to have the commercials
interspersed so that I can do things like make popcorn or go to the
bathroom without missing anything.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
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> The two of you
>go at it for reasons I don't begin to understand, but it is always benign
>and always interesting. Until now, that is.
>
>s

Ha!  Little you know.  Karen and I hate each other.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>> implied something the least bit negative about Bonnie she's on my back.
>> It's tiresome and boring. So I'll ignore it from now.
>
>Huh?
>
>I'll defend Myles. Bonnie can defend herself.
>
>Betty

Huh, indeed.  Betty is harsh and unkind to me.  Although, I've always liked
her.  I've forgiven a great deal from her hands.  And from her driving skills.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>No, she set nomail.
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

Think again, sweetheart.  You don't get your Bonnie-free month until March.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > Isn't this fun? It's a slow day at work.
>
> Does this mean you have time to look for a car for me?

What kind do you want? Buy or lease?

> > I'll defend Myles. Bonnie can defend herself.
>
> No, she set nomail.

Oh, good. Let's trash her. Know any good nun jokes?

Betty

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, bonniev wrote:

> Think again, sweetheart.  You don't get your Bonnie-free month until March.

Can I have one in April?

-aht
Who wants to volunteer for May?

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> >> Ya know... cat fights on Words-L are much more interesting than the ones on
> >> any of my other lists.
> >
> >WTF are you talking about?
> >
> >Betty
>
> You are a trouble-maker, Betty Clark.

:-)

Betty

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From: Larry Clark <klmiller@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Myles Callum wrote:

>
> Larry's seagull-at-the-beach photo is great.  Is there a name for
> this technique of transferring the image onto canvas?  It's pretty
> cool.  Could make some great sweatshirts.
>
> Myles
>

There is no name for this process as far as I know. It's a matter of
painting a liquid emulsion on a surface, allowing it to dry, and then
exposing and developing like any photo. We painted the emulsion on wood,
aluminum foil, canvass and a variety of papers.

Using this on sweatshirts was one of the first things I thought about. The
exposing and developing of a sweatshirt would present some challenges for
sure, and I'm not certain how well the final image would hold up in a
wash cycle, but I'm really tempted to try it just to find out. Glad you
liked the pics.


Larry

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
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So, I go to www.goto.com, do a search and the results suck.
Even Altavista gave me better results.
The question of advertising is no longer important.

lisa
who's moved on the Northern Light's search engine, www.nlsearch.com

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On 24 Feb 98 at 15:59, Larry Clark  wrote:

> There is no name for this process as far as I know. It's a matter of
> painting a liquid emulsion on a surface, allowing it to dry, and then
> exposing and developing like any photo. We painted the emulsion on wood,
> aluminum foil, canvass and a variety of papers.

You, um, have to paint it on in the dark ?

Tony H.

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In-Reply-To:  <199802242253.HAA02670@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Feb
              25, 98 08:03:41 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen:
> >I'm pretty sure it's a scarf--it's more than a foot wide.
>
> <sigh>.  I thought it was a large handkerchief.

I think the size of the type was a clue--handkerchiefs seldom have
2-inch high letters.

> Brad:
> > but there seems to be some question of a pregnant cheerleader,
> > according to Dad...
>
> Is that grounds for firing?  Wonder if it would be if we had had good
> seasons this year and last.

Moral turpentine always is in an academic setting.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199802242304.SAA21076@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 24,
              98 06:04:56 pm

bonniev said:
> >No, she set nomail.
> >
> >Karen
> >  karen@wordwrite.com
>
> Think again, sweetheart.  You don't get your Bonnie-free month until March.

That's what *I* thought, but then I thought your promise in your last
e-mail was that I wouldn't have you to kick around any more.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 24, 98 03:11:34 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Does this mean you have time to look for a car for me?
>
> What kind do you want? Buy or lease?

Buy. No debts for cars, that's the rule.

> > > I'll defend Myles. Bonnie can defend herself.
> >
> > No, she set nomail.
>
> Oh, good. Let's trash her. Know any good nun jokes?

Nah, and anyway, she didn't set nomail.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Evelyn Duncan <Lost_Moon@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>
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This actually happened in a "take" done by Chaplin; he had one of his
actors step over a banana peel and into a manhole.  It can be seen
in the program "The Unknown Chaplin," a wonderful program that
showed how Chaplin worked out scenes to his movies, oftentimes
taking many, many takes until he got it right.

Evelyn

----------
Espen wrote:

Actually, for something funny to happen the man *should* walk around the
banana peel - and then fall down a manhole.

espen

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I haven't seen a good cat fight since Siegi and Muffy (may they both
rest in peace) used to chase each other around the house and out
the door in Mogadore.  That is, I haven't seen a good cat fight for the
last 10 years.

Evelyn

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Thanks for your responses. You have me thinking.   Actually I did follow
Bonnie's analogies and suspect my students would too.  They have
overlooked the control issue and the question of who's in charge. They
might get the idea that ranking sites by amount spent would limit their
choices.


My real concern still is they lack awareness that a Yellow Pages setup
would lend itself to shopping, but not to research.

Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> e-mail was that I wouldn't have you to kick around any more.

Well you see where your problem is: you read into it what you wanted to
read into it. Actually she was channelling Richard Nixon.

-aht
"Checkers? Come here, boy!"

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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bonniev wrote:

> Ha!  Little you know.  Karen and I hate each other.


This little nugget has cat games written all over it.  What other pairs
of Wordslers seem to hate each other?

Borkin and JMW?
??? and Tushar?
Karen and Marty?

Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Olympics
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>Well, I love Scotty, but many (I think mainly of the male type)
>definitely don't agree.  As a commentator he is too nice, though.
>Everything is HUGE, great, wonderful, and if something goes wrong,
>he tends to shut up.

He does do that but, I like it better than the ones who are so critical
they take the fun out of the routine.

Steph and I were watching ice dancing (because that's all they were showing)
and the woman who was commentating was so critical, I didn't enjoy the
skaters. What really killed it was, they didn't reply the routine and show
any errors that would have taken away from the marks. Instead, this woman
shredded each couple as they skated.

She did love the favorites though and I thought maybe she was being
biased in her reporting. Especially since I felt the same about the ones
she hated as I did about the ones she loved.

>My *friend* commented once, "That guy has to die."  I couldn't help
>but respond, "Well, he DOES have cancer, you dork."

I saw an article on this in People (I'm ashamed to admit that I was reading
it but, in my defense, I didn't buy it and I was stuck on a boat while it was
raining). He looks so much older than he did in the article (which I read
in Sept). As bubbly and sugar sweet as he is, I hope he beats the cancer.

lisa
who was surprised to see he has a girlfriend

>Marie

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:

> We will not use your real name. We retain the right to edit the letter
> for publication.

Boy, ain't that the truth. Don't stray outside the political boundaries
of the editors' personal agendae or you get cut off! :-)

-aht

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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:
>
> > We will not use your real name. We retain the right to edit the letter
> > for publication.
>
> Boy, ain't that the truth. Don't stray outside the political boundaries
> of the editors' personal agendae or you get cut off! :-)

Don't stray outside the publisher's page-count and budget or you get cut
off.

Will I be receiving your letter soon, Anne?

Verdant

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Betty:
> >You were supposed to harrass him unmercifully. Throw it in his face every
> >chance you get, etc. Be relentless in lording it over him. Remind him of
> >it constantly.
>
> Would it help if I brought up the subject of the famous Kentucky t-shirts
> of year before last?  The ones Kentucky made in advance of the SEC tournament
> and then had to eat?

Oh, yes, that is very good. How many t-shirts was that?

Betty

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      totalled car
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Are we ever to hear more details about this? Or did I miss them?
Will the insurance pay enough to get another car?

alyce

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:

> Will I be receiving your letter soon, Anne?

I'm afraid I have too much difficulty dealing with your type of
censorship, er, editing.

-aht

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In-Reply-To:  <34F385B6.6222@mindspring.com> from "Sylvia Edwards" at Feb 24,
              98 08:45:13 pm

Sylvia Edwards said:
> Thanks for your responses. You have me thinking.   Actually I did follow
> Bonnie's analogies and suspect my students would too.  They have
> overlooked the control issue and the question of who's in charge.

But I think this is a phantom issue.

> They might get the idea that ranking sites by amount spent would
> limit their choices.

It limits their *apparent* choices. There will still be a plethora of
unsponsored sites out there, whether a particular search engine
reveals this or not.

> My real concern still is they lack awareness that a Yellow Pages setup
> would lend itself to shopping, but not to research.

What?! You can't do research in the Yellow Pages????

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: cat fights
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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Does this mean you have time to look for a car for me?
> >
> > What kind do you want? Buy or lease?
>
> Buy. No debts for cars, that's the rule.

Did you check with your hairdresser yet?

> > > > I'll defend Myles. Bonnie can defend herself.
> > >
> > > No, she set nomail.
> >
> > Oh, good. Let's trash her. Know any good nun jokes?
>
> Nah, and anyway, she didn't set nomail.

Dang!

Betty

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In-Reply-To:  <34F39D50.6B40EBA3@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 24,
              98 11:25:52 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Are we ever to hear more details about this? Or did I miss them?

I don't think I should be discussing this in public. I may answer
questions in private mail, if there's something you're dying to know.

> Will the insurance pay enough to get another car?

In order for insurance to pay anything, you have to have it. I can't
imagine anyone in their right mind paying for collision insurance on a
16 year old car. It costs me around $1000 (and I guess this is going
up!) for liability insurance. That's more than I paid for the car,
though less than it was worth.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 24, 98 08:32:25 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Buy. No debts for cars, that's the rule.
>
> Did you check with your hairdresser yet?

No, but I have to go by there tomorrow night and I'll probably discuss
it with her.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Lisa--are your friends on the box?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>>Lisa Alfieri said:
>> Yes, my friends made it on the box. I don't know any of the college kids but,
>> I do feel bad for them. I can't imagine anyone who played sports who didn't
>> dream of being on the wheaties box. To have the chance and not be able to
>> take it because you'll loose your college elgibility, that really stinks.

>Lose, not loose, but otherwise I totally agree. Heck, *I* dream of
>being on the Wheaties box.

<cringe> I hate when I do that. It's one thing when I don't know how to
spell a word and I butcher it. It's another when I don't proof read and I
make that kind of mistake. I hope when my time comes, I'm not held back
from being on the Wheaties Box because of it! ;-)

lisa

>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Cars
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I like the little car I rented (except that it doesn't have power
steering). It's a teal blue Pontiac Sunbird--surprisingly zippy.

But. I hate getting used to a new car. There's the size of it--I can't
tell where this car is. It took me three tries to get it into the
carport tonight! And just the feel of it:  I give myself whiplash all
over again each time I brake.

I looked at ads for cars and they were all stick. Hank's car is, too.
I haven't driven a manual transmission car in over a year and I'm
afraid it's going to take some re-getting used to.

Am I especially old and cranky or does everyone feel this way about
driving a new car? Or will this wear off with experience? (This is
like the 6th car I've ever driven.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Subject:      Re: Lisa--are your friends on the box?
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In-Reply-To:  <01ITYDO9EXV694NTSA@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Feb 24,
              98 10:26:03 am

Lisa Alfieri said:
> >Lose, not loose, but otherwise I totally agree. Heck, *I* dream of
> >being on the Wheaties box.
>
> <cringe> I hate when I do that. It's one thing when I don't know how to
> spell a word and I butcher it. It's another when I don't proof read and I
> make that kind of mistake. I hope when my time comes, I'm not held back
> from being on the Wheaties Box because of it! ;-)

Well, if they ask me for my opinion (as if!), I'll tell them that this
is a common e-mail error (even my former boss makes this mistake,
which amuses me because she's a perfectionist) and that I don't think
this hold you back.

Bonnie, however, is a different story.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F38D78.3869@mindspring.com> from "Sylvia Edwards" at Feb 24,
              98 09:18:24 pm

Sylvia Edwards said:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > Ha!  Little you know.  Karen and I hate each other.
>
> This little nugget has cat games written all over it.  What other pairs
> of Wordslers seem to hate each other?

Do I seem to hate Bonnie? She may hate me, but I don't hate her.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <01ITYNMK4S9M96SS8S@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Feb 24,
              98 03:18:29 pm

Lisa Alfieri said:
> I saw an article on this in People (I'm ashamed to admit that I was
> reading it but, in my defense, I didn't buy it and I was stuck on a
> boat while it was raining).

What?! Is this a crime now??? I love reading People--I told my
hairdresser it was the only reason I kept seeing her.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
Organization: Greenery Press
Subject:      Re: Write A Letter You Probably Won't Send
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:
>
> > Will I be receiving your letter soon, Anne?
>
> I'm afraid I have too much difficulty dealing with your type of
> censorship, er, editing.

Haven't we had the "censorship" discussion here already?

Well, for what it's worth, you're right -- if we get a letter that says
"Dear Mom and Dad: Thanks for committing me to that mental hospital, and
making sure that I lost my job, kids, house and marriage. I know you
only did it for my own good. Someday I hope to be normal like you two,"
we probably won't run it.

Verdant

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From: Larry Clark <klmiller@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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Larry Clark
klmiller@uclink2.berkeley.edu


On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On 24 Feb 98 at 15:59, Larry Clark  wrote:
>
> > There is no name for this process as far as I know. It's a matter of
> > painting a liquid emulsion on a surface, allowing it to dry, and then
> > exposing and developing like any photo. We painted the emulsion on wood,
> > aluminum foil, canvass and a variety of papers.
>
> You, um, have to paint it on in the dark ?
>
> Tony H.
>

Either that or in the darkroom with photo safe lights on. It must dry in
the dark or it will fog just as photo papers would with long exposure to
safe lights. After it has dried, whatever it has been applied to must be
treated just like photo paper and kept in a light tight container until
ready to be exposed.


Larry

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In-Reply-To:  <A288604A76@social.chass.ncsu.edu> from "Bill Holler" at Feb 24,
              98 02:51:23 pm

Bill Holler said:
> Sunday was Titanic.  Monday was As Good As It Gets.  And today, in
> about an hour, it's gonna be LA Confidential.

Good choices.

> They have the perfect little <box> that accomodates wheel chairs.  I
> take along my drink holder that attaches to the arm and a soda.
>
> Am able to take off braces.  Occasionally stand, with a rail nearby,
> to relieve the leg muscles.
>
> Pop a couple of muscle relaxant pills during the show, and it works
> great.

This is wonderful, Bill. Little pleasures are my fondest ones.

> I don't think the director developed his character (or I should say,
> exposed the reason for his behavior) quite enough toward the end.
>
> He's obviously eaten alive with obsessive-compulsive disorders, but
> the movie doesn't come right out and say it.
>
> There was reference to the pill, and the fact that he was (without
> Stone) <compelled> NOT to take them.
>
> Are we to believe that the Magic of their love, or the magic of his
> attraction and attachment to her were eventially going resolve his
> wierdness--get him to take the pills, etc. etc. and they all live
> happily ever after?
>
> Or would fate have it that his bizarreness was really part of what
> she was attracted to and that they would go thru life like
> that--sometimes together in an electric chair and other times on the
> wings of a dove?

I think the Magic of their Love was supposed to resolve his weirdness.

> Gotta go, or I'll be late for LA.

How'd'ja like it?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>> My real concern still is they lack awareness that a Yellow Pages setup
>> would lend itself to shopping, but not to research.
>
>What?! You can't do research in the Yellow Pages????
>
>Karen

Where in the Yellow Pages would you turn for information about the regional
distributions of /jIz/ ("yiz") and /juz/ ("youse") in English?

Ken Miller
Department of Chromopapyrics

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On 24 Feb 98 at 14:51, Bill Holler wrote:

> Sunday was Titanic.  Monday was As Good As It Gets.  And today, in
> about an hour, it's gonna be LA Confidential.
>
> I found a movie cluster of six theaters I can get in and out of
> easily in a chair.

Excellent.

> They have the perfect little <box> that accomodates wheel chairs.  I
> take along my drink holder that attaches to the arm and a soda.

Is there a place to put the popcorn, that's what I wanna know!

> Am able to take off braces.  Occasionally stand, with a rail nearby,
> to relieve the leg muscles.
>
> Pop a couple of muscle relaxant pills during the show, and it works
> great.

Glad to hear it, man.

> Though I have never personally liked the persona of Jack Nicholson
> (he strikes me as a guy with BO), I see that he is a great actor, and
> was IMHO outstanding in AGAIG.

I'm a big fan of Nicholson.  Never thought about the BO factor.

Sorry I couldn't answer your movie questions, but I think
other people here have covered all the bases.  How'd you
like L.A. Confidential?  Not that I've seen that one either,
but I intend to.

Myles

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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In-Reply-To:  <v03010d02b11964593d72@[206.61.226.88]> from "Bookrat" at Feb 24,
              98 10:05:05 pm

Bookrat said:
> >> My real concern still is they lack awareness that a Yellow Pages setup
> >> would lend itself to shopping, but not to research.
> >
> >What?! You can't do research in the Yellow Pages????
> >
> >Karen
>
> Where in the Yellow Pages would you turn for information about the regional
> distributions of /jIz/ ("yiz") and /juz/ ("youse") in English?

You almost had me, because the Stanford Linguistics Dept. isn't in the
Yellow Pages (all the Stanford stuff is in the white pages). But
Schools-Language finds you U.C. Berkeley Extension and Schools-Travel
and Tour finds you Foothill. Indirect, but I bet you could find out
that way.

I couldn't find out. I don't understand the distinction you're
describing. I though 'youse' had an s not a z. How do you spell what I
would spell 'youse guys' then?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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              <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>

>> >You were supposed to harrass him unmercifully. Throw it in his face every
>> >chance you get, etc. Be relentless in lording it over him. Remind him of
>> >it constantly.
>>
>> Would it help if I brought up the subject of the famous Kentucky t-shirts
>> of year before last?  The ones Kentucky made in advance of the SEC tournament
>> and then had to eat?
>
>Oh, yes, that is very good. How many t-shirts was that?
>
>Betty

 This very topic came up today on the Cat-Chat discussion list.
 Hundreds of them were sold, and some fans foolishly wore them to
 the final game.  They are now being used as jogging undershirts,
 pajama tops, and reminders of the importance of humility.

 brad

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>I couldn't find out. I don't understand the distinction you're
>describing. I though 'youse' had an s not a z. How do you spell what I
>would spell 'youse guys' then?
>
>Karen

As I've admitted, I don't know anything about east coast dialects, except
as filtered by movies in which the actors may or may not be speaking in
authentic dialect.  I was under the impression that "youse" was pronounced
/juz/, but that's a mistake I would be likely to make.  Phonemic
correspondence, _il n'y existe pas_ in English, or so I've heard.

Could you listen to the Shameless Commerce segment (just after the credits)
of the next _Car Talk_ and tell me if you hear Vinny saying /jus/ or /juz/?

Ken Miller
Department of Regional Orthoepy

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At 13:34 24.02.98 UT, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>This actually happened in a "take" done by Chaplin; he had one of his
>actors step over a banana peel and into a manhole.  It can be seen

I have to profess that my thought probably wasn't original. I haven't seen
the Chaplin take but I believe that I have read about it somewhere
sometime. You have something similar in Buster Keaton: One Week when the
train finally runs through the house.

espen

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Yesterday I received my Red Hat Linux CD and installed it on my unused 1 GB
partition. Today I will spend some time and try to understand what I have
done. I already know that I have installed too much: I got impatient with
selecting packages and checked the "Everything" box. But now when I think
of it I doubt very much that I will want to run a news server. I also doubt
that I need documentation in Plaint text, TeX, HTML, and Postscript so
today I will read the (printed) manual and do some selective removal.

espen

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Holler Ral NC USA:  Karen and Myles asked how I liked it.

I thought LA Confidential was great.  You know, I'm one of those
closet violence lovers.  Morally and spiritually, I disapprove--you
wouldn't want to raise a kid with a strict diet of that sort of
thing, but personally (especially with the space-age special effects
they're able to <effect> nowadays), I grip my seat (ok, chair) with
fearful pleasure.

Don't ask me to explain the plot <in detail>, or keep all of those
names straight, but it was intricatly involved with good guys and
bad guys blending in and out, straying from the neat little boxes you
wanted to put them in.

In fact, one thing I liked about the characters in this movie:  You
couldn't neatly categorize anyone.  As I say, everyone had a little
blood-(or shit) stain on his uniform, suit, or (her) dress--from the
high-class girsls in the whore house (Fleur de Lys), where they had
all had their faces< cut> (read:  surgically altered) to be star
look-a-likes--everyone except Veronica who really did look like
Veronica Lake, *everyone*, right down to even the neat clean-cut
young officer, with the nerdy glasses, if you'll permit the
anachronism, whose obsession to join the Force was not
powered by a sense of fairness and justice, as he himself believed,
but, in truth, was a fierce vendetta eating inside, to avenge the
murder of his parents and find the SOB(s) responsible for it.

Well, you can see I liked the movie--deadly enemies become devoted
buddies, long haired Veronesque whores become short-cropped
house-wives-to-be literally <riding away in the sunset> with
scarred-up ex-beefcake, tough-boy cop in the cab next to her with
his arm in a sling, to that idyllic town  somewhere in Arizona.

The movie is worth seeing for the cars alone.  There were classic
Packards (I even think I saw a Tucker Automobile, the futuristic one
in the forties with a swivel light on the front that could <see
around curves>).  It never got built, only proto-types survived.

Well there you have it--the <real> story behind the glitz and glamor
of Tinsel Town--the secret bribery photos, the set ups with prominent
senators (or mayors) with pretty-boy queers, nefarious files on
everyone, pictures <in every position> all for bribes and extortion.

A real fun kind of a thing.

Only one, I can think of that never mutated was the <Javert> (Re:
the relentless SOB in les Miserables) of the Police Force who was the
older, long nosed <evil> Irishman with the assymetric face who
received his just deserts right at the end.

And the same was true of the Veronica Lake look-a-like.  She wove in
and out (classic story of the whore, very upscale, who  only
intended to be so long enough to <get out of the snake pit> (to
borrow a word from Titanic) and leave the <business>, to go to that
simple <meaningful> life in the small town of her origins in the
West.

When I was 10 years old and my sister would have to take me along to
the movies, or else she would have to stay at home, I thought
Veronica Lake was the quintessential beauty.  She really was.  (And
Bette Davis, Barbara Stanwick (wyck?), and Joan Crawford were the
meanest.)

If you haven't already done so, go see LA Confidential.  I got in for
four fifty at four in the afternoon.

Yeah, Myles, I had a place for the popcorn on the arm of the seat
right beside me.  The big box of crackerjacks sat on the floor.

Bill

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 15:59 24/02/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Myles Callum wrote:
>
>>
>> Larry's seagull-at-the-beach photo is great.  Is there a name for
>> this technique of transferring the image onto canvas?  It's pretty
>> cool.  Could make some great sweatshirts.

Here in Dunstable yesterday we saw "Titanic" tee shirts. Are Sarah and I
the only ones who think this is in bad taste. 100s of people lost their
lives forgod'ssake and the fact that it was 80+ years ago doesn't alter
things IOHO. What if they made tee shirts with Oklahoma bombing or
Hillsborough [Sheffield football tragedy when many fans died crushed
against the barriers a few years ago]?

Maggy


>>
>> Myles
>>
> >

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      I love trains
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I'm really, really gonna miss this kind of stuff.  How many times in
Starkville do my plans involve meeting friends en route to a play by
hopping on the train they're on as it comes through your station?

>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:10:39 +0900
>From:maynor@gol.com (Natalie Maynor)
>Subject:Re: RE:Re: The Boys from Syracuse
>
>>As to Saturday, can I make a little change?  Please wait at the front of Seise
>>kiplatform around 1:28 and pop in the 'kyuko'(express) by which two Tomokos ar
>>e togo.
>
>My train timetable shows a kyuko at 1:31 and a tokkyu at 1:25.  Which one
of those do you mean?  (I'm assuming that my timetable isn't out of date.)

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Sho:
>And BonnieMae is no mail anyway, so no more cat fights.  Sorry to have
>offended your little world.

Was BonnieMae cat-fighting?  She doesn't remind me of a cat-fighter.
I'm sorry I missed it.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      T-shirts and Public and Wheaties
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Betty:
>> Would it help if I brought up the subject of the famous Kentucky t-shirts
>> of year before last?  The ones Kentucky made in advance of the SEC tournament
>> and then had to eat?
>
>Oh, yes, that is very good. How many t-shirts was that?

I don't remember now, but I think it was a bunch.

Karen:
>I don't think I should be discussing this in public.

Why?

Lisa:
>make that kind of mistake. I hope when my time comes, I'm not held back
>from being on the Wheaties Box because of it! ;-)

Am I the only one who doesn't want to be on a Wheaties box?  Isn't that
where they have milk smeared above their lip or drooling down the side?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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> lisa
> who's moved on the Northern Light's search engine, www.nlsearch.com

I still like Metafind (http://www.metafind.com) the best of any I've
seen. This is something for which Karen merits many thanks every time I
use it.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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>This little nugget has cat games written all over it.  What other pairs
>of Wordslers seem to hate each other?
>
>Borkin and JMW?
>??? and Tushar?
>Karen and Marty?
>
>Sylvia Edwards

Tushar and Farrell
Harwell Toal and herself
Harwell Toal and Janet
Harwell Toal and anybody

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Am I especially old and cranky or does everyone feel this way about
> driving a new car? Or will this wear off with experience? (This is
> like the 6th car I've ever driven.)

Being poopiatric myself, I can't address the first portion of your
question. I really enjoyed getting used to my Taurus. It was a big step
up from the Battle Tempo. Now if I drive anything else it feels very
strange. I drove my father's 1989 Chrysler New Yorker before it burned
up, and I <snap-snap> hated it! Auntie Val's Mazda 626 is so short that I
have to open the sunroof if I want to sit up straight. I haven't even
attempted my mother's new Saturn w/a sunroof. I do like my friend Mike's
Dodge Dakota. It drives well and my head doesn't hit the roof.

For how long will you be renting? Why do you feel uncomfortable talking
about your accident on the list?

One of my favorite cars I've ever driven was my college-neighbor's Saab
900 S. He was too drunk to drive and wanted to go to the supermarket for
munchies. Good thing I'd ridden in my cousin's Saab, else I never would
have found the ignition switch! (It's next to the floor-mounted gearshift
lever.)

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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OK, who can point me to a madeleine recipe on the Web? I've tried the
search engines, but I really don't want the Secretary of State coming out
of my oven.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Bookrat wrote:
> >describing. I though 'youse' had an s not a z. How do you spell what I
> >would spell 'youse guys' then?
>
> As I've admitted, I don't know anything about east coast dialects, except
> as filtered by movies in which the actors may or may not be speaking in
> authentic dialect.  I was under the impression that "youse" was pronounced
> /juz/, but that's a mistake I would be likely to make.  Phonemic
> correspondence, _il n'y existe pas_ in English, or so I've heard.

You're right, you're both right.  What is pronounced /juz/ is spelled
'youse'.  If you're going to spell it at all that is, and I suppose you
could also just spell it 'yous', since it really is just a plural of 'you'.

I don't know how you would spell /yIz/.  I don't live there.

Marie

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At 08:58 25.02.98 EST, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>OK, who can point me to a madeleine recipe on the Web? I've tried the
>search engines, but I really don't want the Secretary of State coming out
>of my oven.

Are you reading Proust?

espen

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> Are you reading Proust?
>
> espen

No, I'm trying to convince my friend & cow orker Stephanie from France
that baking is relatively easy. She was drooling over some madeleines she
found at http://www.levillage.com and I asked her why she didn't just
make some.

My literary excursions have been most pathetic lately. I've started
McCullough's _Caesar_ but so far am only about 50 pages into it, and I
bought it right after Christmas. Sigh. I'm not the reader I used to be.


 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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At 03:05 PM 2/25/98 +0100, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>At 08:58 25.02.98 EST, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>>OK, who can point me to a madeleine recipe on the Web? I've tried the
>>search engines, but I really don't want the Secretary of State coming out
>>of my oven.
>
>Are you reading Proust?
>
>espen

Appropriate question!!!!  Try http://www.proust.com/food5.html for
starters, Adam.  And then you might want to go on to

18. Two Madeleine Recipes
     Part of a page about food and drink: in this case, two recipes for
Madeleines.
        http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~owls/todayrec.htm


Not for the purist, but:  4. Cookie Recipe .Com | Cinnamon Madeleines
     Rich, buttery cookie.
        http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/CinmnMad.asp


More:  . Cookie Recipe .Com | Madeleines
     Requires a Madeleine pan.
        http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/Madeleines.asp

Cookie Recipe .Com | French Butter Cakes (Madelleines)
     Sponge cake cookie--in shell shaped molds.
        http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/FrnchBttrCks.asp

29. EatingWell's Recipe Finder - Chocolate Madeleines
             http://www.eatingwell.com/recipes/search/recipe_pages/938.htm

Predictably, Our First food Feature: Madeleines. People who know anything
at all about Proust probably know that
     he was obsessed with the flavor of the...
        http://www.proust.com/madelin.html -


I could continue, but why?  I got these by going to altavista and
+madeleine +recipe

Will you send me some of the finished product?

Sho

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> I still like Metafind (http://www.metafind.com) the best of any I've
> seen. This is something for which Karen merits many thanks every time =
I
> use it.
>
>  --Adam
> adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
>
Thank you - Thank you - Thank you!!

I've been looking for information about a particular
Bach cantata for ages.  Went to metacom and
found it right away.  Thanks to you and Karen.
Now - if I can only find a way to order a record
(not a CD or even a cassette) from Romania.
Help!

Julie

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At 09:07 25.02.98 EST, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>My literary excursions have been most pathetic lately. I've started
>McCullough's _Caesar_ but so far am only about 50 pages into it, and I
>bought it right after Christmas. Sigh. I'm not the reader I used to be.

Is that the latest one?

espen

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adam said:


>OK, who can point me to a madeleine recipe on the Web? I've tried
>the search engines, but I really don't want the Secretary of State
>coming out of my oven.

> --Adam
>adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com


ROFL!  I'd wager the heads of state of some countries in the Middle
East might be inclined to disagree with you, though.

-hope  "Let them eat cake!" dondero

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, bonniev wrote:

> Harwell Toal and anybody

"Anybody" hates me? I suggest you sharpen your powers of deception, O
Erstwhile Nun.

-aht

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> I could continue, but why?  I got these by going to altavista and
> +madeleine +recipe

Thanks.

> Will you send me some of the finished product?

If I make them, yes. If she makes them, probably not.


> Sho

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cookies
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>Depends on how evil the web site is you're getting cookies from. They can
>be used for good or evil, but very few are value-neutral. Mostly they
>help invade your privacy and give out personal secrets about yourself to
>strangers who neither know nor care about you. But that can be a GOOD
>thing, right? RIGHT?? Why not try reading a little about them for
>yourself? They're widely written-about on the web.
>-aht

Don't read a book about them. All the information is false. It's just out
there to confuse you. Cookies will ultimately prove to be responsible for
the end of the world. Really, I'm not kidding. Whether or not your know
about them being sent or recieved won't matter. Whether or not you agree
to send or recieve them won't matter either. The slightest thought about
a chips ahoy or a keeble treat has put you in jeapordy.

Look into the light please but, before you do can you please hand me that
black jacket and those raybans over there.

lisa

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Recipe request
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Is that the latest one?

Yes.


> espen

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

ken:
>As I've admitted, I don't know anything about east coast dialects, except
>as filtered by movies in which the actors may or may not be speaking in
>authentic dialect.  I was under the impression that "youse" was pronounced
>/juz/, but that's a mistake I would be likely to make.  Phonemic
>correspondence, _il n'y existe pas_ in English, or so I've heard.
>
>Could you listen to the Shameless Commerce segment (just after the credits)
>of the next _Car Talk_ and tell me if you hear Vinny saying /jus/ or /juz/?

I'm not at all up on the phonemic conventions, but if I interpret you
correctly, then the "z" ending on [youse] is more prevalent than is the "s"
ending.  It may be that both are used, i.e., there are subregional
variations in use.  Vinny says "z,"  although it is a "softer" z (if that is
possible) than I've heard in the speech in others.  I also suspect that
movie dialog tends to overemphasize the pronunciation in order to make the
point ("watch it folks, we're dealing with a guy who says youse").

cwv.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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In-Reply-To:  <v03010d03b11971153b8a@[206.61.226.88]> from "Bookrat" at Feb 24,
              98 11:04:11 pm

Bookrat said:
> As I've admitted, I don't know anything about east coast dialects, except
> as filtered by movies in which the actors may or may not be speaking in
> authentic dialect.  I was under the impression that "youse" was pronounced
> /juz/, but that's a mistake I would be likely to make.  Phonemic
> correspondence, _il n'y existe pas_ in English, or so I've heard.
>
> Could you listen to the Shameless Commerce segment (just after the credits)
> of the next _Car Talk_ and tell me if you hear Vinny saying /jus/ or /juz/?

Okay, but this is someone w/ a strong Boston accent trying to speak
Brooklyn. There is no authenticity here--except in the Boston accent.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199802251103.UAA25509@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Feb
              25, 98 08:14:23 pm

Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen:
> >I don't think I should be discussing this in public.
>
> Why?

Because I don't want to, basically. It hasn't been settled yet,
obviously, and it seems imprudent.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F423C4@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 08:58:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> OK, who can point me to a madeleine recipe on the Web? I've tried the
> search engines, but I really don't want the Secretary of State coming out
> of my oven.

ROFL. What about the rec.food.cooking archives? Do a dejanews search.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Marie" at Feb 25, 98 09:06:09 am

Marie said:
> You're right, you're both right.  What is pronounced /juz/ is spelled
> 'youse'.  If you're going to spell it at all that is, and I suppose you
> could also just spell it 'yous', since it really is just a plural of 'you'.

We can't both be right. I thought it was voiceless and you said it isn't.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9802250803.A16276-0100000@netcom5> from "Anne H Toal"
              at Feb 25, 98 08:23:02 am

Anne H Toal said:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, bonniev wrote:
> > Harwell Toal and anybody
>
> "Anybody" hates me? I suggest you sharpen your powers of deception, O
> Erstwhile Nun.

Let alone your precision of speech.

"Dogpile on Bonnie!"

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> We can't both be right.

Aaah, screw it. Let's go get sushi.

-aht

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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> Aaah, screw it. Let's go get sushi.
>
> -aht

Yeah!!!!  I'll take 6 pieces of ikura, and a tuna roll, please.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> Marie said:
> > You're right, you're both right.  What is pronounced /juz/ is spelled
> > 'youse'.  If you're going to spell it at all that is, and I suppose you
> > could also just spell it 'yous', since it really is just a plural of 'you'.
>
> We can't both be right. I thought it was voiceless and you said it isn't.

Okay, so you're wrong.

Marie

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > We can't both be right.
>
> Aaah, screw it. Let's go get sushi.

Ugh. It's only 7:30 here--way too early.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> Yeah!!!!  I'll take 6 pieces of ikura, and a tuna roll, please.

Mirugai, 2 pcs
Salmon, 1 pc
Toro, 1 pc.
Hirami, 1 pc
Mackerel, 1 pc
Unagi, 1 pc
Hamachi, 1 pc
And a California Roll, because I like the avocado
Maybe a tempura roll, call 911 in advance, we'll need the stretcher

-aht

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              from "Marie" at Feb 25, 98 10:36:59 am

Marie said:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Marie said:
> > > You're right, you're both right.  What is pronounced /juz/ is spelled
> > > 'youse'.  If you're going to spell it at all that is, and I suppose you
> > > could also just spell it 'yous', since it really is just a plural of 'you'.
> >
> > We can't both be right. I thought it was voiceless and you said it isn't.
>
> Okay, so you're wrong.

I can't be wrong. My perception is based on detailed observation of
the "The Bowery Boys".

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              at Feb 25, 98 09:39:13 am

Anne H Toal said:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
> > Yeah!!!!  I'll take 6 pieces of ikura, and a tuna roll, please.
>
> Mirugai, 2 pcs
> Salmon, 1 pc
> Toro, 1 pc.
> Hirami, 1 pc
> Mackerel, 1 pc
> Unagi, 1 pc
> Hamachi, 1 pc
> And a California Roll, because I like the avocado
> Maybe a tempura roll, call 911 in advance, we'll need the stretcher

This is the appetizer portion, right? What is with this wimpy 1 pc stuff?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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> Mirugai, 2 pcs
> Salmon, 1 pc
> Toro, 1 pc.
> Hirami, 1 pc
> Mackerel, 1 pc
> Unagi, 1 pc
> Hamachi, 1 pc

Ack. I can't remember what these are except for the unagi - that's eel,
right?

> And a California Roll, because I like the avocado

I like the avocado but I can't stand the fake crabmeat.

> Maybe a tempura roll, call 911 in advance, we'll need the stretcher

Maybe YOU will, not me.

> -aht

I'm not a sushi purist - I use low-salt soy sauce and like to put lemon
juice on some of the pieces. So shoot me.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F41445@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 07:50:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> > lisa
> > who's moved on the Northern Light's search engine, www.nlsearch.com
>
> I still like Metafind (http://www.metafind.com) the best of any I've
> seen. This is something for which Karen merits many thanks every time I
> use it.

Thank Betty, she's the one who mentioned it to me. Yes, it *is* great.
I've never been *fond* of a search engine before...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199802251541.AA05850@waltz.rahul.net> from "Karen Kay" at Feb
              25, 98 07:41:28 am

So anyway, Boo. We got distracted. I don't think the Yellow Pages is
necessarily a good analogy for search engine results. We are in
agreement on that, right? What do you think of my analogy to a car
catalog?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F43909@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 10:28:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> Yeah!!!!  I'll take 6 pieces of ikura, and a tuna roll, please.

I'm going to save up all the ikura from all the sushi boxes I buy and
fed ex them to you some time...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Okay, so you're wrong.
>
> I can't be wrong. My perception is based on detailed observation of
> the "The Bowery Boys".

If I'm getting this right, though, you're saying that there's no
distinction between /juz/ and /jIz/ or that you don't recognize that
both forms exist.  And where I come from 'youse guys' is definitely
/juz/, although I've heard the other as well.

I would've thought the Bowery Boys would say /juz/.

Marie

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> This is the appetizer portion, right? What is with this wimpy 1 pc stuff?

Two alternative answers:
1). "I'm slimming."
2). The rolls are futomaki.

-aht

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> I'm going to save up all the ikura from all the sushi boxes I buy and
> fed ex them to you some time...

You don't like them? God, they're my favorite. Little slimy salt balls.

Alas, for us here in the Pioneer Valley, sushi is still a special treat
which can only be had in Northampton. I wish there was a place close
enough to work so that I could have sushi a few times a week for lunch.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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              from "Marie" at Feb 25, 98 10:48:30 am

Marie said:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Okay, so you're wrong.
> >
> > I can't be wrong. My perception is based on detailed observation of
> > the "The Bowery Boys".
>
> If I'm getting this right, though, you're saying that there's no
> distinction between /juz/ and /jIz/

I have no opinion on this. Except that /jIz/ is always /z/, never /s/.

> or that you don't recognize that both forms exist.

I've never regularly heard /jIz/; I don't have any idea where it's
spoken. (Unless this is the Irish one.)

> And where I come from 'youse guys' is definitely
> /juz/, although I've heard the other as well.

"The other" meaning /jIz/ or /jus/?

> I would've thought the Bowery Boys would say /juz/.

I haven't watched them from years, but I think this is where I got the
idea that the word was /jus/. (And I could be wrong. Easily.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> > Mirugai, 2 pcs
> > Salmon, 1 pc
> > Toro, 1 pc.
> > Hirami, 1 pc
> > Mackerel, 1 pc
> > Unagi, 1 pc
> > Hamachi, 1 pc
>
> Ack. I can't remember what these are except for the unagi - that's eel,
> right?

Freshwater eel. Mirugai is giant clam, Salmon is an orange-colored fish
that lives in cold climates, toro is fatty tuna, hirami is halibut
prepared in a special way with a sauce and minced garnish, mackerel is
a sacred fish, as in "Holy mackerel!", unagi is as you guessed, and
hamachi is yellowtail tuna.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> that lives in cold climates, toro is fatty tuna, hirami is halibut
                                                   ^^^^^^ hirame
> prepared in a special way with a sauce and minced garnish, mackerel is
> a sacred fish, as in "Holy mackerel!",

saba

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > This is the appetizer portion, right? What is with this wimpy 1 pc stuff?
>
> Two alternative answers:
> 1). "I'm slimming."
> 2). The rolls are futomaki.

I'd rather have two small ones than futomaki. That's because I'm petite!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> which can only be had in Northampton. I wish there was a place close

Wherever you find lesbians, sushi is always right around the corner.

-aht

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At 10:42 AM 2/25/98 EST, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>
>I'm not a sushi purist - I use low-salt soy sauce and like to put lemon
>juice on some of the pieces. So shoot me.
>
Adam, honey,

In my little corner of the world, anyone who willingly will consume raw
fish can put anything on it they want.

s

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At 10:47 AM 2/25/98 EST, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

>You don't like them? God, they're my favorite. Little slimy salt balls.
>
Salt has balls???  My god, what you learn on Words-L.

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> Freshwater eel. Mirugai is giant clam, Salmon is an orange-colored fish
> that lives in cold climates, toro is fatty tuna, hirami is halibut
> prepared in a special way with a sauce and minced garnish, mackerel is
> a sacred fish, as in "Holy mackerel!", unagi is as you guessed, and
> hamachi is yellowtail tuna.
>
> -aht

Thanks. I knew the salmon one, though. I don't like the clam, and the
sweet (raw) shrimp makes me gag.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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> Wherever you find lesbians, sushi is always right around the corner.
>
> -aht

Not! In that case, there'd be sushi restaurants everywhere, and there
aren't.

 --Adam, who would love to have sushi for lunch but is instead having
leftover Dish from SBIII.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Hartfield Adam said:
> > Mirugai, 2 pcs
> > Salmon, 1 pc
> > Toro, 1 pc.
> > Hirami, 1 pc
> > Mackerel, 1 pc
> > Unagi, 1 pc
> > Hamachi, 1 pc
>
> Ack. I can't remember what these are except for the unagi - that's eel,
> right?

mirugai is a shellfish, toro is fatty tuna. It's hirame not
hirami. It's a flatfish. Mackerel... I forgot the Japanese
name. Hamachi is yellowtail. YUM!

> I'm not a sushi purist - I use low-salt soy sauce and like to put lemon
> juice on some of the pieces. So shoot me.

Lemon juice only on salmon. I can't tell the difference between low
salt and regular soy sauce, so I use regular. But not at 7:30 in the
morning.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Hartfield Adam said:
> Alas, for us here in the Pioneer Valley, sushi is still a special treat
> which can only be had in Northampton. I wish there was a place close
> enough to work so that I could have sushi a few times a week for lunch.

I could, but I can't afford it, frankly. I may have sushi Friday when
I go out, though. The last time I did, I spent $20 on lunch! But man,
was it goooooood.

I'm getting hungry. Time to get dressed and go to work.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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> I could, but I can't afford it, frankly. I may have sushi Friday when
> I go out, though. The last time I did, I spent $20 on lunch! But man,
> was it goooooood.

I couldn't afford that, either. The restaurant I go to has a $7 lunch
special - miso soup, salad with sesame-oil dressing, a tuna or california
roll, and 5 pieces of sushi - two tuna, two salmon, and one white piece
with a reddish tinge to it.


> I'm getting hungry. Time to get dressed and go to work.

I've been hungry since breakfast. Somehow my usual coffee and bagel
didn't <satisfy> me this morning.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> > Aaah, screw it. Let's go get sushi.
> >
> > -aht
>
> Yeah!!!!  I'll take 6 pieces of ikura, and a tuna roll, please.

I'll take two of everything.

Betty

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At 07:40 AM 2/25/98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>I can't be wrong. My perception is based on detailed observation of
>the "The Bowery Boys".
>
>Karen

At 07:51 AM 2/25/98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>> I would've thought the Bowery Boys would say /juz/.
>I haven't watched them from years, but I think this is where I got the
>idea that the word was /jus/. (And I could be wrong. Easily.)
>
>Karen

Don't you just love her??!!

    bonniev@acadia.net

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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, bonniev wrote:
>
> > Harwell Toal and anybody
>
> "Anybody" hates me? I suggest you sharpen your powers of deception, O
> Erstwhile Nun.

Yeah, it's not that easy to dislike H-T. First, you have to meet her.

Verdant

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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>
> > which can only be had in Northampton. I wish there was a place close
>
> Wherever you find lesbians, sushi is always right around the corner.

<pondering>

Here in SF, the best sushi is to be had out here in the Avenues, which
is a predominantly Asian neighborhood with no particular gay presence
(aside from the fact that it *is* in San Francisco). Down on Valencia
St. where the dykes are, the only sushi I know of is We Be Sushi, which
is perfectly adequate -- I eat there often because it's cheap and
convenient -- but not in any way extraordinary.

Verdant

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Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>
> > Freshwater eel. Mirugai is giant clam, Salmon is an orange-colored fish
> > that lives in cold climates, toro is fatty tuna, hirami is halibut
> > prepared in a special way with a sauce and minced garnish, mackerel is
> > a sacred fish, as in "Holy mackerel!", unagi is as you guessed, and
> > hamachi is yellowtail tuna.
> >
> > -aht
>
> Thanks. I knew the salmon one, though. I don't like the clam, and the
> sweet (raw) shrimp makes me gag.

But after you've eaten it, you get the fried heads, which I adore.

(I like it fine anyway, but I probably don't like it well enough to
order it if it weren't for the fried heads.)

I think you guys need to add a spider roll to your order.

Verdant

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Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>
> > I could, but I can't afford it, frankly. I may have sushi Friday when
> > I go out, though. The last time I did, I spent $20 on lunch! But man,
> > was it goooooood.
>
> I couldn't afford that, either. The restaurant I go to has a $7 lunch
> special - miso soup, salad with sesame-oil dressing, a tuna or california
> roll, and 5 pieces of sushi - two tuna, two salmon, and one white piece
> with a reddish tinge to it.
>
> > I'm getting hungry. Time to get dressed and go to work.

Balboa Teriyaki, my regular hangout, has a Sushi Deluxe with miso soup,
a California Roll, a tuna roll, and six pieces of nigiri (salmon,
mackerel, tuna, yellowtail, eel and octopus) for $9.95. The waitress
sees me sit down and says "Sushi Deluxe and a diet coke, right?"

Verdant

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In-Reply-To:  <34F442A0@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 10:58:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> Thanks. I knew the salmon one, though. I don't like the clam, and the
> sweet (raw) shrimp makes me gag.

Adam, Adam, Adam. Raw shrimp is GREY!!!! It's only cooked shrimp
that's pink. Also, this shrimp is not sweetened. The sweetness is natural.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F44423@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 11:15:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> > I could, but I can't afford it, frankly. I may have sushi Friday when
> > I go out, though. The last time I did, I spent $20 on lunch! But man,
> > was it goooooood.
>
> I couldn't afford that, either. The restaurant I go to has a $7 lunch
> special - miso soup, salad with sesame-oil dressing, a tuna or california
> roll, and 5 pieces of sushi - two tuna, two salmon, and one white piece
> with a reddish tinge to it.

Well, I won't tell you how much sushi I ate. But it was much more than
6 pieces.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Big News
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

  Friends and others,

 I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.
21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in Western
New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each other
for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999. More later.



 later


alec

Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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>Hartfield Adam said:
>> Alas, for us here in the Pioneer Valley, sushi is still a special
treat
>> which can only be had in Northampton. I wish there was a place close
>> enough to work so that I could have sushi a few times a week for
lunch.

You don't have any bait shops in Pioneer Valley.  Samey same.

jdh -30-

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> Not! In that case, there'd be sushi restaurants everywhere, and there

OK, would you agree that wherever there's a sushi bar, a lesbian can't
be far behind?

-aht

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              98 08:34:12 am

Janet W. Hardy said:
> sees me sit down and says "Sushi Deluxe and a diet coke, right?"

This is one of those California abominations that makes me want to
puke. I've finally got <over> the puking feeling so that I can eat at
the same table with people who do this, but I still feel it's
fundamentally against a law of nature. Some of this is because I can't
stand the taste of aspartame, but mostly it's because Coke and sushi
don't go together.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal said:
> OK, would you agree that wherever there's a sushi bar, a lesbian can't
> be far behind?

I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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> Adam, Adam, Adam. Raw shrimp is GREY!!!! It's only cooked shrimp
> that's pink. Also, this shrimp is not sweetened. The sweetness is
natural.

Well, they call the raw shrimp here sweet shrimp. The cooked-shrimp sushi
I can handle, but the raw-shrimp sushi is barfulous.

Don't you think that I, maker of the Dish, know the difference between
raw and cooked shrimp???? Sheesh.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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>   Friends and others,
>
>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday
Feb.

Congratulations! So <that's> why you've been quiet lately.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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> You don't have any bait shops in Pioneer Valley.  Samey same.
>
> jdh -30-

Yes, we do. Barb's Bait on Route 57 in Southwick springs to mind.

Next hypothesis?

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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> stand the taste of aspartame, but mostly it's because Coke and sushi
> don't go together.

Daht Coke doesn't go w/anything but ice.

I either drink water/tea with sushi, or root beer.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199802251628.LAA12751@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 25,
              98 11:28:18 am

bonniev said:
> Don't you just love her??!!

Actually, totalling my car has indeed made me realize how many people
<do> love me. It's been kind of neat--like being able to go to your
own funeral. This has been easier and more enjoyable for me, however,
because I don't feel that this was even a near-death experience.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Janet W. Hardy said:
> > sees me sit down and says "Sushi Deluxe and a diet coke, right?"
>
> This is one of those California abominations that makes me want to
> puke. I've finally got <over> the puking feeling so that I can eat at
> the same table with people who do this, but I still feel it's
> fundamentally against a law of nature. Some of this is because I can't
> stand the taste of aspartame, but mostly it's because Coke and sushi
> don't go together.

Sushi is generally salty and starchy; Coke is generally sweet and
bubbly. Of course they go together.

As for aspartame, I've been drinking it for so long that sugary Coke
tastes awful to me. Makes my teeth feel fuzzy.

Verdant

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From: "Joseph D. Harwood" <jdhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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You wrote:

>Yes, we do. Barb's Bait on Route 57 in Southwick springs to mind.
>
>Next hypothesis?
>
> --Adam
>adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
>
Just go over there, buy a few minnows, and scarf 'em down.  Raw fish is
raw fish, no matter how it's served.

jdh -30-

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In-Reply-To:  <34F459E5@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 12:42:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> Well, they call the raw shrimp here sweet shrimp. The cooked-shrimp sushi
> I can handle, but the raw-shrimp sushi is barfulous.

I've been eating sushi for longer than you've been alive, I think. And
I've never seen raw shrimp sushi.

> Don't you think that I, maker of the Dish, know the difference between
> raw and cooked shrimp???? Sheesh.

One Would Have Hoped.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Harwood" at Feb 25, 98 12:10:29 pm

Joseph D. Harwood said:
> Just go over there, buy a few minnows, and scarf 'em down.  Raw fish is
> raw fish, no matter how it's served.

True. But minnows ain't tuna.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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> I've been eating sushi for longer than you've been alive, I think. And
> I've never seen raw shrimp sushi.

Well, they have it at the Taipei/Tokyo sushi bar/restaurant in
Northampton. The shrimp is definitely raw. It grosses me out bigtime.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Hartfield Adam said:
> > Well, they call the raw shrimp here sweet shrimp. The cooked-shrimp sushi
> > I can handle, but the raw-shrimp sushi is barfulous.
>
> I've been eating sushi for longer than you've been alive, I think. And
> I've never seen raw shrimp sushi.

Isn't amaebi raw shrimp?

Verdant

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In-Reply-To:  <34F4604C@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 25, 98 01:16:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> Well, they have it at the Taipei/Tokyo sushi bar/restaurant in
> Northampton. The shrimp is definitely raw. It grosses me out bigtime.

Me, too.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34F46129.2ACE@earthlink.net> from "Janet W. Hardy" at Feb 25,
              98 10:21:29 am

Janet W. Hardy said:
> Isn't amaebi raw shrimp?

Yes! And the ama- part means sweet. Hm... I don't know that I've ever
eaten this. I'll have to check it out. (For some reason I thought this
was a different kind of shellfish, not shrimp.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> Well, I won't tell you how much sushi I ate. But it was much more than
> 6 pieces.

But very *petite* pieces, I'm sure.

Marie

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
Organization: Syracuse University Library
Subject:      Re: Big News
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>   Friends and others,
>
>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.
> 21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in Western
> New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each other
> for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999. More later.

  Congrats Alec

      So when do we get to meet her?

Pasha

>
>
>
>  later
>
>
> alec
>
> Alec D. Plotkin
> Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
> University of Pennsylvania
> Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
> missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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Alec said:
>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday
Feb.
> 21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in
Western
> New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each
other
> for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999. More later.

Congratulations, Alec!  I'm happy for you.  Will Heide be joining words-l?
ndh

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Just in case Debali Mookerjea still lurks here from the great city of
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you ever see him!

And happy Ash Wednesday.  Dust thou art.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alec Plotkin wrote:

>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.

Tsk tsk, kids today, meeting on the Internet. What is the world coming to.

Congrats, Alex.

-aht

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?

I'm not touching that straight line with a ten-foot pole.

-aht

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:

> Isn't amaebi raw shrimp?

Steamed, but not raw. I hate to differ with Adam on matters of shrimp,
but nobody could eat raw shrimp. Just think where they live, what they
feed on. Sweet shrimp is just a translation. It's steamed, trust me.

-aht

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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>I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?

Damn, just damn and double damn, the limits even moderately good taste
imposes on the ability to riposte.

73s
C. Mather

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From: "Demetriou, Melanie" <MDemetriou@INTERNAL.MASSMUTUAL.COM>
Subject:      FW: Cupcakes
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Alas! I hate Outlook more every day!! I meant to send this to the list,
but "Reply to All" apparently means only Mr. Harwood to Outlook.
Grrrrrrr.

Melanie


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Demetriou, Melanie
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 1:37 PM
> To:   'Joseph D. Harwood'
> Subject:      RE: Cupcakes
>
> Nothing like dropping in on a conversation uninvited, eh? There is a
> sushi place smack in the middle of downtown Springfield, my friends.
> We don't *have* to go to Noho, we just *like* to!
>
> For bait shops, we must travel to West Springfield or Ludlow.
>
> Melanie
>
> >Hartfield Adam said:
> >> Alas, for us here in the Pioneer Valley, sushi is still a special
> treat
> >> which can only be had in Northampton. I wish there was a place
> close
> >> enough to work so that I could have sushi a few times a week for
> lunch.
>
> You don't have any bait shops in Pioneer Valley.  Samey same.
>
> jdh -30-

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> Steamed, but not raw. I hate to differ with Adam on matters of shrimp,
> but nobody could eat raw shrimp. Just think where they live, what they
> feed on. Sweet shrimp is just a translation. It's steamed, trust me.
>
> -aht

All I know is that it's grey, squishy, and slimy. Counts for raw in my
book. It is not pink and solid like cooked shrimp.

 --Adam
who is going to say no more on the topic

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In-Reply-To:  <l03110719b119c3c71aa9@[209.163.1.4]> from "Jim FarrellCTHD" at
              Feb 25, 98 12:45:58 pm

Jim FarrellCTHD said:
> >I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?
>
> Damn, just damn and double damn, the limits even moderately good taste
> imposes on the ability to riposte.

Man, deliberately use a straight line and everyone wimps out!:)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On 25 Feb 98 at 8:58, Hartfield Adam (Lud)  wrote:

> OK, who can point me to a madeleine recipe on the Web? I've tried the
> search engines, but I really don't want the Secretary of State coming out
> of my oven.

"Madeleine" & not "Bemelmans" & not "Albright"

Tony H.

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Big News
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Alec Plotkin wrote:
>
>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged.

Congratulations. Ain't love grand? Ain't the Internet grand?

alyce

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From: "Joseph D. Harwood" <jdhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

You wrote:

>
>True. But minnows ain't tuna.
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com
>
But, are little tunas minnows?

jdh -30- I likes my steak tatar medium well, please.

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              Harwood" at Feb 25, 98 01:23:58 pm

Joseph D. Harwood said:
> But, are little tunas minnows?

I like to think so.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
Organization: Syracuse University Library
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> >I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?
>
> Damn, just damn and double damn, the limits even moderately good taste
> imposes on the ability to riposte.

   I'm sitting here imagining seeing a lesbian-eating sushi.

Pasha


>
> 73s
> C. Mather
>
Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      consumer goods--amazing invention
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I just saw an amazing (to me) thing on television (CNBC, Financial
News). Forgive me if you all already know of this thing. ATT has
developed a compression technique so that huge amounts of music can be
transmitted on the web--not like waves, but whole songs, and soon--whole
albums, and it won't fill up your hard disc. It's available free at the
moment:
http://www.a2b.com
You have to download their player (free), and then there's a choice of
songs. The idea is that people will get to listen to things before
buying a CD, and there will be record (disc) stores on the site that you
can click to order. The sound quality is supposed to be (nearly) as good
as the actual CD.

But wait, that's not all! Coming soon: a miniature disc that will fit
into a palm-sized gizmo so you can download the music onto your hard
disc, then copy it to this mini disc, and take it with you. And it will
be good for jogging, because it does not spin like a CD, and there will
be no resultant distortion.

I was awed.

alyce

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
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At 12:19 PM 02/25/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>Alec said:
>>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday
>Feb.
>> 21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in
>Western
>> New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each
>other
>> for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999. More later.
>
>Congratulations, Alec!  I'm happy for you.  Will Heide be joining words-l?
>ndh
>
Thanks, she might join with me. Alone is too much to take for her.


alec


Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      consumer bads--new invention
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Just came from the grocery store and nearly had a stroke. Oscar Mayer
has a largish box said to contain 14 slices of pre-cooked bacon. Just
heat it up, folks. The price is $2.69. Not bad, you say? Well, it only
weighs 2.1 ounces, which means a pound of this bacon is really $20.18!
I grant that you lose a lot of weight in the fat when you cook bacon,
but...

 I say, "Ripoff of the year!"

alyce

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At 12:41 PM 02/25/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alec Plotkin wrote:
>
>>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.
>
>Tsk tsk, kids today, meeting on the Internet. What is the world coming to.
>
>Congrats, Alex.
>
>-aht
>
Alec not Alex please. The internet is a scary place.


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Alec Plotkin wrote:

>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.
> 21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in Western
> New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each other
> for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999.

Way to go, Alec!  Congratulations.

Myles

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> >Congratulations, Alec!  I'm happy for you.  Will Heide be joining
words-l?
> >ndh

Alec said:
> Thanks, she might join with me. Alone is too much to take for her.

:-)  We'll try to be nice.
ndh

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In-Reply-To:  <34F472BA.48A4CAE8@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 25,
              98 02:36:26 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Just came from the grocery store and nearly had a stroke. Oscar Mayer
> has a largish box said to contain 14 slices of pre-cooked bacon. Just
> heat it up, folks. The price is $2.69. Not bad, you say? Well, it only
> weighs 2.1 ounces, which means a pound of this bacon is really $20.18!
> I grant that you lose a lot of weight in the fat when you cook bacon,
> but...
>
>  I say, "Ripoff of the year!"

But this is basically take-out food. If you bought 14 slices of bacon
in a restaurant, wouldn't it cost more than $2.69?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              98 02:31:45 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> disc, then copy it to this mini disc, and take it with you. And it will
> be good for jogging, because it does not spin like a CD, and there will
> be no resultant distortion.
>
> I was awed.

Techno-lust! I want one. Do I jog? Of course not.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On 25 Feb 98 at 8:30, Janet W. Hardy  wrote:

> Here in SF, the best sushi is to be had out here in the Avenues [...]

Um, why did I have it in my head you'd moved ?

Tony H.

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On 25 Feb 98 at 12:43, Anne H Toal  wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?
>
> I'm not touching that straight line with a ten-foot pole.

"But what do they *do* ?"

Tony H.

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On 25 Feb 98 at 2:43, Evelyn Duncan  wrote:

> I haven't seen a good cat fight since Siegi and Muffy (may they both
> rest in peace) used to chase each other around the house and out
> the door in Mogadore.  That is, I haven't seen a good cat fight for the
> last 10 years.

Which reminds me...

If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
allergies, where would one start ?

:-(

Tony H.

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On 24 Feb 98 at 21:28, Anne H Toal  wrote:

> Boy, ain't that the truth. Don't stray outside the political boundaries
> of the editors' personal agendae or you get cut off! :-)

Agendae!  Oh that's cute.

Tony H.

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Congrats, Alec.

Tony H.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              25, 98 02:59:14 pm

Tony Harminc said:
> If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
> allergies, where would one start ?
>
> :-(

Poor Tony! You can't desensitize the allergic one?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Demetriou, Melanie" <MDemetriou@INTERNAL.MASSMUTUAL.COM>
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> Which reminds me...
>
> If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
> allergies, where would one start ?
>
> :-(
[>]
Ah, very sad. I had to give mine away for the same reason. First, I
asked around. That produced nothing. Then I put an ad in my local paper,
which produced something, but not enough. I let the ad run another week,
and found a great family who wanted two cats. (I wouldn't separate my
cats.) They were really perfect: Mom had a business at home, so she was
there most of the time; kids were 5 and 2. She was pining away for her
two childhood cats, which had recently passed away, so it really worked
out. I kept in touch for awhile, and it seemed they were all adjusting
nicely.

If I hadn't found a suitable family via the ad (and believe me, some
scary people called!), I heard about a program which provides pets to
elderly homes. I would have investigated that further. There were also
pet placement services listed in the local Yellow Pages.

Sorry that you have to do this, but it will definitely make a difference
in the allergies! In my case, I couldn't even touch my cats anymore, so
they weren't getting enough love and attention. I'm sure they're happier
now! Good luck.

Melanie

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Alyce,

Netscape can't find it. 'host a2b.com' gets a very strange error message.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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> Netscape can't find it. 'host a2b.com' gets a very strange error
message.

Neither can Internet Exploder 4.01.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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> Netscape can't find it. 'host a2b.com' gets a very strange error
message.

Yeah, Internet E

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Hartfield Adam said:
> > Netscape can't find it. 'host a2b.com' gets a very strange error
> message.
>
> Yeah, Internet E


This must be what Anne uses.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Tony Harminc wrote:
> If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
> allergies, where would one start ?

With a relative.  Someplace I could visit.

Marie

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 12:45 PM 2/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?
>
>Damn, just damn and double damn, the limits even moderately good taste
>imposes on the ability to riposte.
>
Kinda reminds you of that creation joke don't it?

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alec Plotkin wrote:

>   Friends and others,
>
>  I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.
> 21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in Western
> New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each other
> for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999. More later.

Congratulations! Bring her to SlugFest.

Betty

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
> allergies, where would one start ?
>
> :-(

No personal experience, but I knew a woman who had this problem and she
went to an allergist who somehow gradually desensitized her, so she
could keep her cat. Shots, I guess. ?????

alyce

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Actually, totalling my car has indeed made me realize how many people
> <do> love me. It's been kind of neat--like being able to go to your
> own funeral. This has been easier and more enjoyable for me, however,
> because I don't feel that this was even a near-death experience.

Is anything else sore besides your ribs today? It's usually the next day
that the neck feels awful after the jerking around.

Do Hank have another car for you?

Betty

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> has a largish box said to contain 14 slices of pre-cooked bacon. Just
> heat it up, folks. The price is $2.69. Not bad, you say? Well, it only
> weighs 2.1 ounces, which means a pound of this bacon is really $20.18!
SNIP
>
>  I say, "Ripoff of the year!"

A little convenience is a costly thing....

How many slices are in a pound of bacon?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> But this is basically take-out food. If you bought 14 slices of bacon
> in a restaurant, wouldn't it cost more than $2.69?

I do not know if 14 slices of restaurant bacon would be $20.18, but I
doubt it. However, I disagree that it is basically take-out food. It is
displayed right with all the (uncooked) bacon. It obviously is intended
to deceive--the big box, the big label (14! strips), etc. It is for the
unwary shopper who will think that s/he's paying about the same for 2.1
oz. and s/he would for a pound. There is no plastic window so you can
see the size of the slices. The implication is that they are big, but I
really doubt it, and the fact remains, it's 2.1 oz. That means that an
average person, even I, the small eater, would eat the whole thing at
one sitting.

alyce

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: www.a2b.com?
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Netscape can't find it. 'host a2b.com' gets a very strange error message.

I can't get it either. I posted before I tried. But I saw the guy access
it right before my eyes and wrote down the URL, even though it was so
simple I couldn't possibly forget it. I will keep my eyes open for more
info. I know it exists.

alyce

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Subject:      a2b URL CORRECTION!
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Sorry. My bad. Try:
http://www.a2bmusic.com

It works.

alyce

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From: "Heather M. Hewitt" <HHEW1030@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Happy Birthday, Debali
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>Just in case Debali Mookerjea still lurks here from the great city of
>Chicago, here's wishing you a merry, merry Birthday.  Say hi to Tushar if
>you ever see him!
>
>And happy Ash Wednesday.  Dust thou art.
>
>    bonniev@acadia.net


She's in India, but I'll relay your wishes.


heather

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Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> How many slices are in a pound of bacon?

15-20-30, depending on thickness.

alyce

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> On 25 Feb 98 at 8:30, Janet W. Hardy  wrote:
>
> > Here in SF, the best sushi is to be had out here in the Avenues [...]
>
> Um, why did I have it in my head you'd moved ?

Yes, we did -- to the other side of the Park. Still in the Avenues.

Verdant

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In-Reply-To:  <34F48811.3D72EE03@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 25,
              98 04:07:30 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Tony Harminc wrote:
> > If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
> > allergies, where would one start ?
> >
> > :-(
>
> No personal experience, but I knew a woman who had this problem and she
> went to an allergist who somehow gradually desensitized her, so she
> could keep her cat. Shots, I guess. ?????

That's what I get--but if it's one of the kids, I don't know anything
about that, how big you have to be to get treatment.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Betty Clark said:
> Is anything else sore besides your ribs today? It's usually the next day
> that the neck feels awful after the jerking around.

This honestly was not that bad an accident. Except that my car was
totalled. I wasn't going that fast.

My ribs didn't hurt at all by the end of the day yesterday, but I
couldn't use my whole ribcage to breathe, so I went to my chiropractor
last night and she did a solar plexus release so I can breathe with
*all* of my lungs. And she did some stuff to my neck, which she
usually does.

> Do Hank have another car for you?

He's going to bring it in Monday, so I'll check it out then.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Big News
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Alec Plotkin wrote:
>
>   Friends and others,
>
>  I have some very good and wonderful news.

Oh what terrific news.   We need a gif.

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In-Reply-To:  <34F4891E.42993FA5@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 25,
              98 04:11:58 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > But this is basically take-out food. If you bought 14 slices of bacon
> > in a restaurant, wouldn't it cost more than $2.69?
>
> I do not know if 14 slices of restaurant bacon would be $20.18,

No, no, $2.69. A pound is $20.18.

> However, I disagree that it is basically take-out food. It is
> displayed right with all the (uncooked) bacon. It obviously is intended
> to deceive--the big box, the big label (14! strips), etc.

Well, of course. But the fact is the price is low enough that someone
who doesn't want the mess of cooking bacon, or who doesn't want a
whole pound, might buy it.

> really doubt it, and the fact remains, it's 2.1 oz. That means that an
> average person, even I, the small eater, would eat the whole thing at
> one sitting.

I thought you said it was 14 slices of bacon???? At one sitting?????

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Happy Birthday, Debali
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Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
>
> >Just in case Debali Mookerjea still lurks here from the great city
>
> She's in India, but I'll relay your wishes.

This means she does have a good chance of speaking to Tushar.
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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In-Reply-To:  <34F4B236.6CE8@mindspring.com> from "Sylvia Edwards" at Feb 25,
              98 06:07:30 pm

Sylvia Edwards said:
> Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
> > >Just in case Debali Mookerjea still lurks here from the great city
> >
> > She's in India, but I'll relay your wishes.
>
> This means she does have a good chance of speaking to Tushar.

Is he in India?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Congratulations, Alec!!  That's exciting.  But you're not going to let
her lure you away from Words-L, I hope.  One must keep priorities in order.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Sushi and Beaver
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abht:
>Aaah, screw it. Let's go get sushi.

Which reminds me that my mother sent me an article about worms in sushi,
including one that was 40" long* -- or I think that's what it said -- I
glanced at it while coming upstairs from the mailbox and haven't gotten
around to reading the whole thing yet.  Things have been busy the past
couple of days.
* or rather it grew to that length inside the man who ate it in the sushi

Speaking of movies, have any of y'all seen "Leave it to Beaver"?  I noticed
that the plane full of Japanese were loving it, and I kept wondering if
they caught on that the woman vacuuming in high heels, dress, and pearls
was a sort of parody, not for real.  I didn't watch the whole thing, even
though I was in a good position to see the screen, for one of the few times
in my plane life.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Raw Slimeys
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abht:
>but nobody could eat raw shrimp. Just think where they live, what they
>feed on.

And oysters?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Trout
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Speaking of fish, I found it interesting to learn that it's illegal to
sell trout in NZ.  They are game fish by law.  Restaurants can't have
trout on the menu, but if you catch a trout, you can take it to a restaurant
and the chef will cook it for you.

And that reminds me -- are there deer farms in the US?  I've been curious
about that for two weeks now, and nobody will give me the answer.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Shirts and Crackerjacks
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Brad:
> Hundreds of them were sold, and some fans foolishly wore them to

I'm trying to remember now what the head of the MSU bookstore told me
about them.  People at MSU wanted them after the game, but they were
quickly withdrawn from availability.  The MSU bookstore was never able
to get any of them.

That was the game that started my basketball interest that year.  It was
the first game I watched.  I was in Huntsville that weekend, and my mother
and I (and the dogs) watched it with interest.

Bill:
>right beside me.  The big box of crackerjacks sat on the floor.

Was there a prize in it?

Maggy:
>Here in Dunstable yesterday we saw "Titanic" tee shirts. Are Sarah and I
>the only ones who think this is in bad taste.

No.  I haven't seen any, but I agree with you.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Trout
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>And that reminds me -- are there deer farms in the US?  I've been curious
>about that for two weeks now, and nobody will give me the answer.
>
> -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

I've never heard of a deer farm if you mean a place where they're raised
for slaughter. In the Midwest, the deer probably thrive better as semi-wild
creatures -- cornfield parasites - than they would under domestication.

73s
Jim

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> about that for two weeks now, and nobody will give me the answer.

It's because nobody gives a shit.

-aht

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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>> >I don't ever remember seeing a lesbian eating sushi. How do you tell?
>>
>> Damn, just damn and double damn, the limits even moderately good taste
>> imposes on the ability to riposte.
>
>Man, deliberately use a straight line and everyone wimps out!:)
>
>Karen

        No, we just need a little more information.  Were these
        sighted or visually-impaired alternately-sexual wymin?

John "Vern? Who put these minnahs on mah pizza pie?" W.

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Subject:      Re: Olympic Commercials
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From: Tony Harminc <tzha0@TORAAG.COM>:
>On 23 Feb 98 at 11:13, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIA  wrote:
>
>> Okay, so how come The History Channel isn't available in Canada?  Can't afford
>> the exchange rate?
>
>Um, I dunno - I don't really watch TV.  There is some history TV
>thing on cable, I know.  Are most of the Canadian specialty channels
>available in the US ?  How did this unavailability come up ?
>
>Tony H.

        I think Adam answered this.  "Canadian content" sounds
        like a likely explanation to me.  (Not that our neighbors
        in the Great White North don't *have* 'history'...) I was
        just wondering why they* were making such a whacking great
        point of it in the ads.

JMW

* Cable Provider - a Newspeak term that has replaced the
Anglo-Saxon "Money-sucking bastards".  cf "Cox-Sucker".

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From: hope dondero <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>
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I distinctly said "ignore"

;-)

-hope, getting bounced messages no matter where she sends 'em

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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
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> Speaking of fish, I found it interesting to learn that it's illegal to
> sell trout in NZ.  They are game fish by law.  Restaurants can't have
> trout on the menu, but if you catch a trout, you can take it to a restaurant
> and the chef will cook it for you.
>
>  -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)
>

That's true in Colorado also.

jinny

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: Olympic Commercials
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>From: Tony Harminc <tzha0@TORAAG.COM>:
>>On 23 Feb 98 at 11:13, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIA  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so how come The History Channel isn't available in Canada?  Can't
afford
>>> the exchange rate?
>>
>>Um, I dunno - I don't really watch TV.  There is some history TV
>>thing on cable, I know.  Are most of the Canadian specialty channels
>>available in the US ?  How did this unavailability come up ?
>>
>>Tony H.
>
>        I think Adam answered this.  "Canadian content" sounds
>        like a likely explanation to me.  (Not that our neighbors
>        in the Great White North don't *have* 'history'...) I was
>        just wondering why they* were making such a whacking great
>        point of it in the ads.
>
>JMW
>
>* Cable Provider - a Newspeak term that has replaced the
>Anglo-Saxon "Money-sucking bastards".  cf "Cox-Sucker".
>


I noticed tonight that an advertisement for an upcoming History Channel
series had the caveat:  "not available in Canada."  Presumably, THC has not
made the licensing arrangements or whatever that would allow its programming
to leak over the border.

cwv

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>A little convenience is a costly thing....
>
>How many slices are in a pound of bacon?
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>

Cooked or raw?  Regular or thick-sliced?

cwv

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>> about that for two weeks now, and nobody will give me the answer.
>
>It's because nobody gives a shit.
>
>-aht
>

And that's a fact.

cwv

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>I distinctly said "ignore"
>
>;-)
>
>-hope, getting bounced messages no matter where she sends 'em
>

OK, dammit! I get the point!

cwv

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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
Subject:      Haiku
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Forwarded from the NPL list:


for all those haiku fans out there:

"Haiku Error Messages" contest.  Here are the winners and those of
 honorable mention:

                            Three things are certain:
                            Death, taxes, and lost data.
                            Guess which has occurred.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Everything is gone;
                            Your life's work has been destroyed.
                            Squeeze trigger (yes/no)?
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Windows NT crashed.
                            I am the Blue Screen of Death.
                            No one hears your screams.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Seeing my great fault
                            Through darkening blue windows
                            I begin again
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            The code was willing,
                            It considered your request,
                            But the chips were weak.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Printer not ready.
                            Could be a fatal error.
                            Have a pen handy?
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            A file that big?
                            It might be very useful.
                            But now it is gone.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Errors have occurred.
                            We won't tell you where or why.
                            Lazy programmers.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Server's poor response
                            Not quick enough for browser.
                            Timed out, plum blossom.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Chaos reigns within.
                            Reflect, repent, and reboot.
                            Order shall return.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Login incorrect.
                            Only perfect spellers may
                            enter this system.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            This site has been moved.
                            We'd tell you where, but then we'd
                            have to delete you.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            wind catches lily
                            scatt'ring petals to the wind:
                            segmentation fault
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            ABORTED effort:
                            Close all that you have.
                            You ask way too much.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            First snow, then silence.
                            This thousand dollar screen dies
                            so beautifully.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            With searching comes loss
                            and the presence of absence:
                            "My Novel" not found.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            The Tao that is seen
                            Is not the true Tao, until
                            You bring fresh toner.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            The Web site you seek
                            cannot be located but
                            endless others exist
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Stay the patient course
                            Of little worth is your ire
                            The network is down
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            A crash reduces
                            your expensive computer
                            to a simple stone.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            There is a chasm
                            of carbon and silicon
                            the software can't bridge
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Yesterday it worked
                            Today it is not working
                            Windows is like that
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            To have no errors
                            Would be life without meaning
                            No struggle, no joy
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            You step in the stream,
                            but the water has moved on.
                            This page is not here.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            No keyboard present
                            Hit F1 to continue
                            Zen engineering?
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Hal, open the file
                            Hal, open the damn file, Hal
                            open the, please Hal
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Out of memory.
                            We wish to hold the whole sky,
                            But we never will.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Having been erased,
                            The document you're seeking
                            Must now be retyped.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            The ten thousand things
                            How long do any persist?
                            Netscape, too, has gone.
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Rather than a beep
                            Or a rude error message,
                            These words: "File not found."
                            - - - - - - - - - - - -
                            Serious error.
                            All shortcuts have disappeared.
                            Screen. Mind. Both are blank.
--

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: T-shirts and Public and Wheaties
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>>make that kind of mistake. I hope when my time comes, I'm not held back
>>from being on the Wheaties Box because of it! ;-)

>Am I the only one who doesn't want to be on a Wheaties box?  Isn't that
>where they have milk smeared above their lip or drooling down the side?
> -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

The milk above the lip is for milk. I'm guessing it's sponsored by dairy
farmers.

Wheaties on the other hand is the cereal. Athletes a featured on the box
after accomplishing great feats in their sport. It's an honor.

lisa

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              Jones" at Feb 25, 98 09:48:55 pm

Jinny Jones said:
> Forwarded from the NPL list:

What is NPL?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I thought you said it was 14 slices of bacon???? At one sitting?????

We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure
your meals weigh that much usually, even sushi. A bagel must weigh 2.1
ounces, maybe more.

alyce

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Happy Birthday, Debali
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen Kay wrote:
>.
>
> Is he in India?

Allegedly
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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In-Reply-To:  <34F4E3C2.947ECAA7@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 25,
              98 10:38:42 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure
> your meals weigh that much usually, even sushi.

Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.

My only point was that people are willing to pay more money for
prepared food. This is Big Business For Grocery Stores these days.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
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>Was BonnieMae cat-fighting?  She doesn't remind me of a cat-fighter.
>I'm sorry I missed it.
>
> -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

She was just getting into character for her role in the Words-L
Slammer-Chick Flick.

Ken Miller
Callum School of Videoturgy

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Alyce Cresap said:
> > We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure
> > your meals weigh that much usually, even sushi.
>
> Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.
>
Yes, I know bacon is light. That's why I might eat 14 pieces at once
(but not much else at the same time).

> My only point was that people are willing to pay more money for
> prepared food. This is Big Business For Grocery Stores these days.

Well, I know that. My only point is that it is very deceptive packaging,
and I think a lot of people will not notice the 2.1 oz. label, and think
they're getting the usual pound. I presume the bacon is packaged in some
sort of microwave heating tray, which is why it requires the big box.
But those slices have to be small. Of course, not owning a microwave, I
shouldn't be concerned in the least about this whole thing.

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <34F4EAF3.C871E728@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 25,
              98 11:09:23 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Well, I know that. My only point is that it is very deceptive packaging,
> and I think a lot of people will not notice the 2.1 oz. label, and think
> they're getting the usual pound.

Even after they pick it up?!

I can't imagine not owning a microwave. But, heck, a few years ago I
coudln't imagine owning a car...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Even after they pick it up?!

Even then, because the packaging will add weight. Which is probably
another reason for the big box.

Did you access a2bmusic?

alyce

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      oh the humanity
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Forced into skulking around at night like a common thief because of the
Socialist State: because Graham slept through trash pickup last week, we
had an overabundance which had to be squirrelled away in two neighbors'
wheely-bins. Back in the days before Big Government usurped this critical
homeowner's right, if you needed more trash space, you just bought more
bins. Now, we have wheely-bins, and I hate them.

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      !!!!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Bill Mauldin is left-handed!
And what's he doing in Tucson?

JMW

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In-Reply-To:  <34F4EE43.57304E3@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Feb 25,
              98 11:23:31 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Did you access a2bmusic?

Yes, but I didn't have time to look at it.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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>I can't be wrong. My perception is based on detailed observation of
>the "The Bowery Boys".
>
>Karen

The first Bowery Boys movie ("Bowery Champs", 1944) was written by Morey
Amsterdam, of Chicago, and Earle Snell, whose biography is not on the IMDb,
but whose writing credits are almost all Westerns.

I note that one Betty Sinclair was cast in both "Bowery Champs" (as
"Apartment Manager") and its successor "Docks of New York" (as "Woman at
Pawnshop").

Ken Miller
Callum School of Videoturgy

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              98 08:36:19 pm

Bookrat said:
> The first Bowery Boys movie ("Bowery Champs", 1944) was written by Morey
> Amsterdam, of Chicago, and Earle Snell, whose biography is not on the IMDb,
> but whose writing credits are almost all Westerns.

So?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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...from Richard since the wedding? Can the party still be going on?

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Bookrat said:
> > The first Bowery Boys movie ("Bowery Champs", 1944) was written by Morey
> > Amsterdam, of Chicago,

Two surprises for me. I thought the Bowery Boys were older than that,
and I didn't know that Morey Amsterdam was a writer, before he was an
actor.

alyce

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              98 11:35:41 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> ...from Richard since the wedding? Can the party still be going on?

Today is Ash Wednesday. Fat Tuesday was yesterday. I suspect he's busy.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> Forced into skulking around at night like a common thief because of the
> Socialist State: because Graham slept through trash pickup last week, we
> had an overabundance which had to be squirrelled away in two neighbors'
> wheely-bins. Back in the days before Big Government usurped this critical
> homeowner's right, if you needed more trash space, you just bought more
> bins. Now, we have wheely-bins, and I hate them.

Life is hard.

Betty

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>
On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:
> Back in the days before Big Government usurped this critical
> homeowner's right, if you needed more trash space, you just bought
> more bins. Now, we have wheely-bins, and I hate them.

Why don't you just buy more wheely-bins? Do your neighbors know what
you're doing? Aren't you violating their privacy? Their <rights>?

alyce

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>I don't know how you would spell /yIz/.  I don't live there.
>
>Marie

I'm thinking of a moment at the Philly Folk Festival when a performer on
stage ventured something that sounded to me like a tentative "yiz", to
which nearly a third of the crowd responded with something that sounded to
me like "yiz'ns!".  Now, of course, I was not expecting to hear a dialect
term, and I certainly wasn't in a particularly observant frame of mind, and
my memory is quite unreliable anyway.

Is there anything at all in the Philly dialect like this?  And if so, how
would you represent its sound in ASCII-dictionary representation?

Ken Miller
Visiting Exoglottist
William S. Burroughs Xenovirolinguistic Research Facility

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Why don't you just buy more wheely-bins? Do your neighbors know what
> you're doing? Aren't you violating their privacy? Their <rights>?

...AND I PUT A RITUAL PIECE OF MICROWAVE BACON ON EACH BIN

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>So anyway, Boo. We got distracted. I don't think the Yellow Pages is
>necessarily a good analogy for search engine results. We are in
>agreement on that, right? What do you think of my analogy to a car
>catalog?
>
>Karen

Information comes in many forms.  If I wanted to rent a car, I'd start with
the Yellow Pages.  If I wanted to buy a car, I'd start with an index to
Consumer Reports.  If I wanted to know how a car works, I'd start with an
index to Popular Mechanics.

What it boils down to is that there are many indices compiled by many
people for many reasons.  My advice to the cupcakes, and to anyone else, is
that it is in one's own best interest to consider the source of funding
when choosing which search engine to use.

Ken Miller
Ponzi School of Finance

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>> Here in SF, the best sushi is to be had out here in the Avenues [...]
>
>Um, why did I have it in my head you'd moved ?
>
>Tony H.

She has.  Just not far.  She moved from a place pretty far out in the
Avenues to a place even farther out in the Avenues.

Ken Miller
Department of Relocation

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>"Haiku Error Messages" contest.  Here are the winners and those of
> honorable mention:

This is from a Salon Magazine contest, and they're pretty pissed that the
original author's names got deleted along the way.  See "The Case of the
Hijacked Haiku" at

http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/rose/1998/02/24straight.html

Ken Miller
Araneic Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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Don't forget to watch it tomorrow. 10 a.m. PST.

One of my friends, Karen, went to Aruba to see it.

Betty

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Heard on San Antonio talk radio: "I was shakin' like a wet chihuahua."

-aht

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              98 09:04:25 pm

Bookrat said:
> Information comes in many forms.  If I wanted to rent a car, I'd start with
> the Yellow Pages.  If I wanted to buy a car, I'd start with an index to
> Consumer Reports.

This is interesting. When I wanted to rent a car, the first thing I
did was remember that Enterprise had been rated highly by Consumer
Reports. Then I talked to people. The Yellow Pages was only my source
for the number, not for any research.

I ended up going to Enterprise because, although they were a little
expensive, they were the only place I called that actually had a car.
It's a cute car, too... Perfect for me. Sigh.

Now that I'm thinking of buying a car, I haven't looked at Consumer
Reports yet. Mostly I'm talking to people, one of whom offered to do
some research for me (he has a friend at Consumer Reports). I did look
at crash test reports on the web, though.

> What it boils down to is that there are many indices compiled by
> many people for many reasons.  My advice to the cupcakes, and to
> anyone else, is that it is in one's own best interest to consider
> the source of funding when choosing which search engine to use.

I would say that it's important to have a basic understanding of the
way the engine searches. I haven't a clue how metafind is funded, and
furthermore, I don't even care. But I like the results of the searches.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>I distinctly said "ignore"
>
>;-)
>
>-hope, getting bounced messages no matter where she sends 'em

That's the problem.  You should have said it indistinctly.

Ken Miller
Department of Information Overprocessing

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On 25 Feb 98 at 23:23, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Did you access a2bmusic?

What a misnomer. There's no music there.


          mem

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http://live.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/index.html

Betty

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On 25 Feb 98 at 23:37, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Two surprises for me. I thought the Bowery Boys were older than
> that, and I didn't know that Morey Amsterdam was a writer,
> before he was an actor.

In a sense, they were. The Bowery Boys were a splinter group
whose origins were in the Dead End Kids. The group's  debut
was in _Dead End_ (1937). The same principals in the Bowery
Boys--that, is Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall--were appearing at least
as early as 1942 as the East End Kids.  That happens to be the
year they appeared with a well-known Asian American actor in a
film titled _Let's Get Tough_.

       mem

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Subject:      A non-olympic record
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The former Febryary record for precipitation in Bergen was 405 millimetres
and was from 1920. We are now closer to 500 and there are still a couple of
days to go. Not a single day this Febryary has been without rain, snow,
sleet or all combinations of them. I want to move someplace dry like Seattle.

espen

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              Ore" at Feb 26, 98 08:32:50 am

Espen S. Ore said:
> Not a single day this Febryary has been without rain, snow, sleet or
> all combinations of them. I want to move someplace dry like Seattle.

Paul Barfoot can give you Al Nino's phone nb.:) I know what you mean,
though.

Lots of hail and thunder and lightning, all of which are unusual for
here.

I think "Proud to be Aborigine" is going to be my new theme song.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakesr
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At 12:47 25.02.98 EST, you wrote:
>> stand the taste of aspartame, but mostly it's because Coke and sushi
>> don't go together.
>
>Daht Coke doesn't go w/anything but ice.
>
>I either drink water/tea with sushi, or root beer.

Or beer beer.

espen

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At 20:05 25.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Alyce Cresap said:
>> We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure
>> your meals weigh that much usually, even sushi.
>
>Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.

This comes close to a beginning of something in a dactylic tetrameter. Who
supplies the next line?

espen

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> >I either drink water/tea with sushi, or root beer.
>
> Or beer beer.

I like beer with sushi, but it makes me too sleepy to have for lunch.

Verdant

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At 23:35 25.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> Not a single day this Febryary has been without rain, snow, sleet or
>> all combinations of them. I want to move someplace dry like Seattle.
>
>Paul Barfoot can give you Al Nino's phone nb.:) I know what you mean,
>though.
>
>Lots of hail and thunder and lightning, all of which are unusual for
>here.

The problem here is that it isn't unusual in principle - it is just that
there is more than usual.

espen

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At 23:55 25.02.98 -0800, Janet W. Hardy wrote:
>> >I either drink water/tea with sushi, or root beer.
>>
>> Or beer beer.
>
>I like beer with sushi, but it makes me too sleepy to have for lunch.
>

Yes, that is probably better for vacation lunches.

espen

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 16:10 25/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
>> has a largish box said to contain 14 slices of pre-cooked bacon. Just
 ..
>
>How many slices are in a pound of bacon?


one if it's cut thick enough,
Maggy
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>
>

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At 04:15 26.02.98 -0500, Maggy or Sarah B wrote:
>At 16:10 25/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>>
>>> has a largish box said to contain 14 slices of pre-cooked bacon. Just
> ..
>>
>>How many slices are in a pound of bacon?
>
>
>one if it's cut thick enough,

And how many rashers are there in a box with 14 slices?

espen

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      India and Deer
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen:
>Is he in India?

Small world.  I was giving very serious thought a couple of days ago to
heading for India sometime in the next few weeks.  But I've decided not
to.  There's too much else I want to do.  I'm regretting in ways having
said no to staying here another year, though I know that my decision was
the <right> one.

Jim:
>I've never heard of a deer farm if you mean a place where they're raised
>for slaughter. In the Midwest, the deer probably thrive better as semi-wild
>creatures -- cornfield parasites - than they would under domestication.

I also had never heard of deer farms until I saw lots of them in NZ.  I
asked a friendly sheep-shearer if he happened to know whether there were
any deer farms in the US (since he knew about lots of farm matters, not
just sheep-shearing).  He said that there were some in Canada, but he
didn't know about the US.  Deer farms in NZ are a big thing.  They produce
lots of domestic venison.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Non-Sequiting, Colorado, and Bacon
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

abht:
>> about that for two weeks now, and nobody will give me the answer.
>
>It's because nobody gives a shit.

Non-sequitur.  Giving a shit does not mean one can necessarily give
an answer, and giving an answer does not mean one necessarily gives
a shit.

Jinny:
>That's true in Colorado also.

Interesting.  Many things about NZ reminded me of Colorado (of which I
know almost nothing first-hand, I might add).

Alyce:
>> I thought you said it was 14 slices of bacon???? At one sitting?????
>
>We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure

I could easily eat 14 slices of bacon at one sitting.  No problem at all.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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>Are we ever to hear more details about this? Or did I miss them?
>Will the insurance pay enough to get another car?
>alyce

And more importantly, will I ever know who totalled their car?

lisa

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>Bonnie, however, is a different story.

<laugh> are you looking for a fight Karen? Or just continuing one?

lisa

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Haiku
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> "Haiku Error Messages" contest.  Here are the winners and those of
>  honorable mention:

At least this one mentions the contest. I've gotten a lot of copies of
this with no attibution whatsover. FYI, it was a contest at Salon
(http://www.salon1999.com) in the "21st" section.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cupcakesr
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Or beer beer.
>
> espen

Nah, I don't drink much beer. I'm usually driving when I go out to eat
and I have such a low alcohol tolerance that I daren't drink. I have 4
bottles of beer leftover from SBIII (thanks Emily & Rashmi!) that will
probably last till June.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> Cooked or raw?  Regular or thick-sliced?

Raw & regular.  I have a package of thick-sliced at home & can count the
slices when I remember to.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Maggy or Sarah B wrote:

> >How many slices are in a pound of bacon?
>
>
> one if it's cut thick enough,
> Maggy

:-)

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cars
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen-

You might be especially old and particularly cranky but, it doesn't have any
bearing on the way you feel about driving a new car.

I hate when I hop beind the wheel of my mother's Camary and end up slamming
on the brakes because I'm used to having to press harder in my car.

She just bought a Jeep Wrangler which I was very excited to drive but, found
that it doesn't shift the way I'm used to a car shifting, the steering is
very sensitive and there is no room for my left arm if the window is up.

Stephanie didn't like it because she could see over the dash board (she's
5ft tall) and there is no way she could drive it without sitting on a pillow.
Of course then she might not be able to reach the peddles.

So, taking a joy ride was more of pain in the ass because I wasn't comfortable
and I had to keep concentrating on what I was doing because it wasn't
familiar to me.

When I rent cars, it usually takes a day or two for me to feel comfortable.
By the time I do feel comfortable, I'm back in my own car again. I should
note that I've never had to re-adjust to my car.

lisa

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
Organization: Syracuse University Library
Subject:      Re: Cupcakes
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> The first Bowery Boys movie ("Bowery Champs", 1944) was written by Morey
> Amsterdam, of Chicago, and Earle Snell, whose biography is not on the IMDb,
> but whose writing credits are almost all Westerns.

   You can submit information to IMDb. If you write the bio, you'll
even get a credit.

Pasha


>
> I note that one Betty Sinclair was cast in both "Bowery Champs" (as
> "Apartment Manager") and its successor "Docks of New York" (as "Woman at
> Pawnshop").
>
> Ken Miller
> Callum School of Videoturgy
>
Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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From: "Neal D. Traven" <nhpro.ntraven@SDPS.ORG>
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> Sylvia Edwards said:
> > Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
> > > >Just in case Debali Mookerjea still lurks here from the great city
> > >
> > > She's in India, but I'll relay your wishes.
> >
> > This means she does have a good chance of speaking to Tushar.
>
> Is he in India?
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

He was.

Now he isn't.

I expect to FTF with him (and also Jerry Silverman?) next week.

Steve Karlson, who won't be able to trek into town for the FTF, sends
greetings to all.

--
neal traven                     Northeast Health Care Quality Foundation
                             * * * * *
       "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                      -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Madeleine failure
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Well, I tried one of the recipes last night. Bigtime failure. I followed
the recipe exactly, and came out with the strangest dough I've ever seen.
It was sort of chunky and greasy, and reminded me of polenta. The butter
separated out during cooking, and the result was deep-fried hockey pucks
swimming in scorched melted butter.

I found a different recipe this time (from Martha Stewart's Living) and
will try it as soon as I get over this crushing calamity.

 --Adam, to whom this NEVER happens
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Grammys
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So did anyone else watch the Grammys (I want to type Grammies) last
night? What a farce.

It started with Vanessa Williams almost getting knocked over by a piece
of moving scenery. I thought the guy was *supposed* to be on stage
dancing next to Bob Dylan, or Bill Dylan as Usher called him. And can I
just say that Paula Cole should've either shaved her armpits or not worn
a sleeveless gown. Urk... Poor Shawn Colvin, whose acceptance speech was
very rudely interrupted by a member of the Wu-Tang Clan.  Said member
said he spent a lot on his outfit, but it was still UGLY.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
G. N. Maynor School of Sumo Reporting

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 11:03 PM 2/25/98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
>> Why don't you just buy more wheely-bins? Do your neighbors know what
>> you're doing? Aren't you violating their privacy? Their <rights>?
>
>...AND I PUT A RITUAL PIECE OF MICROWAVE BACON ON EACH BIN
>
Bless you, Miz Toal.

s

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Lisa--are your friends on the box?
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In-Reply-To:  <01ITZP9JC0Y696V187@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Feb 25,
              98 09:07:18 am

Lisa Alfieri said:
> >Bonnie, however, is a different story.
>
> <laugh> are you looking for a fight Karen? Or just continuing one?

Neither.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      ATTENTION MR. KRAT
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Dear Sir,

It has come to our attention that you continue in your base ignorance of
the ambulatory abilities of decapitated fowl. Further, we are informed that
you have failed to respond to the proferred invitation to observe said
process and thus dispell your ignorance.

Fie, Fie 'pon it, Sir!

Signed,

Chicken farmers of Morongo Valley



p.s.  the invitation is still open -- and I am told that the beheaders also
have a very nice new batch of stout with more on the way. Chicken slaughter
and home brew. Could life get much better?

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: oh the humanity
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>Forced into skulking around at night like a common thief because of the
>Socialist State: because Graham slept through trash pickup last week, we
>had an overabundance which had to be squirrelled away in two neighbors'
>wheely-bins. Back in the days before Big Government usurped this critical
>homeowner's right, if you needed more trash space, you just bought more
>bins. Now, we have wheely-bins, and I hate them.

Why is everything a conspiracy?

lisa
who wonders how many guns you have stock piled

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Grammys
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>So did anyone else watch the Grammys (I want to type Grammies) last
>night? What a farce.

CBS now officially sucks in my book!

Kelsey Grammer was horrible. The timing was all off, he never knew when he
was on the air.

Paula Cole sounded like crap when she was singing.

The Wu Tang guy was ridiculous.

I couldn't understand a word Julio Iglesias said. He couldn't pronounce
the winner's name, Jamiriqui ( I shouldn't be too critical, I can't spell
their name), so it seemed to me no one knew who had won.

We turned it off as soon as Hanson came on. Ok, this is a lie, we turned
it off after we were done trashing Hanson.

The funniest thing was when Kelsey Grammer promised we wouldn't be seeing
any of Marylan Manson's boney white ass on tv.. that I was truely thankful
for.

Ok, I'm done.

lisa

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: oh the humanity
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aht:
>
>> Why don't you just buy more wheely-bins? Do your neighbors know what
>> you're doing? Aren't you violating their privacy? Their <rights>?
>
>...AND I PUT   [[[[ A RITUAL PIECE]]]] OF MICROWAVE BACON ON EACH BIN
>

But---how much did it weigh?

cwv

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Grammys
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> CBS now officially sucks in my book!

Yup. They botched the Olympics, and now the Grammys. Of course, the
Grammy telecast is a joke anyway, and always has been. Last night they
presented 11 awards. 92 Grammies were awarded this year.

> Kelsey Grammer was horrible. The timing was all off, he never knew when
he
> was on the air.

Yeah! Did you see him waving to people in the audience.

> Paula Cole sounded like crap when she was singing.

Yup. And what was with the abridged versions of the songs? Hanson went on
forEVer, while Sarah, Shawn, and Paula all got like 20 seconds.

> I couldn't understand a word Julio Iglesias said. He couldn't pronounce
> the winner's name, Jamiriqui ( I shouldn't be too critical, I can't
spell
> their name), so it seemed to me no one knew who had won.

I couldn't understand him either. It's Jamiroquai.

> We turned it off as soon as Hanson came on. Ok, this is a lie, we
turned
> it off after we were done trashing Hanson.

They actually weren't too bad. The little one certainly whales on the
drums.
>
> The funniest thing was when Kelsey Grammer promised we wouldn't be
seeing
> any of Marylan Manson's boney white ass on tv.. that I was truely
thankful
> for.

Yes, although it was incredibly rude of him. I was laughing while at the
same time feeling bad for Manson.

Hey! I think that's Moxy Fruvous' next target of satire...Marilyn Hanson.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> It was sort of chunky and greasy, and reminded me of polenta. The butter

This reminds of a funny commentary that was on the local NPR station last
week.  A woman who had moved here from Massachusetts (I think) was talking
about how her family had adjusted to southern food.  they loved NC
barbeque, pork rinds, etc. but hated grits no matter how cooked or how
often tried.

She ended the story by telling of a trip to a local fancy restaurant where
she ordered polenta with mushrooms, something she had never eaten before.
She was dusmayed when she was served what she described as grits with
mushrooms.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On 26 Feb 98 at 9:00, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 20:05 25.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Alyce Cresap said:
> >> We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure
> >> your meals weigh that much usually, even sushi.
> >
> >Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.
>
> This comes close to a beginning of something in a dactylic tetrameter.
> Who supplies the next line?

Norway is windy.  Go fly a kite!

Myles

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: N.O., LA
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Errol Laborde is an Old Blood Stick-Up-The-Butt
who wouldn't recognize Temptation if she showed
him her tits.

>Errol Laborde, editor of New Orleans Magazine, insists that New
>Orleanians don't deserve their wild reputation.  "We're pretty much
>part of the American mainstream, trying to live by the same New
>Year's resolutions as everyone else," he says.  "The only difference
>is that we have more temptations."


Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> The Wu Tang guy was ridiculous.

Who or what is Wu Tang.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
     Musical Phillistine

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> > >Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.
> Norway is windy.  Go fly a kite!

. . . Burma Shave.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Karen:
>Today is Ash Wednesday. Fat Tuesday was yesterday.
>I suspect he's busy.

Your suspicion is correct.  I just got back from the
airport, getting rid of ^W^W^W dropping off the last
of the Things That Wouldn't Leave ^W^W^W^W visitors.

What a week.  Even God Almighty took a break after only
six days.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
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Betty Clark wrote:

> One of my friends, Karen, went to Aruba to see it.

Maybe your friend will meet my ophthalmologist, who also has gone to
Aruba to see it.

alyce

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> On 25 Feb 98 at 23:23, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
> > Did you access a2bmusic?
>
> What a misnomer. There's no music there.

There's supposed to be. The man on TV played a song. However, it was at
a trade show. I just read the news release from ATT and it says
available in November to all. So maybe it's not available to the public
yet, although he kept giving the URL. I don't know why he'd do that, but
perhaps my announcement was premature.
In any case, it will be neat-o when it comes, now or in November.

alyce

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> What a misnomer. There's no music there.

Upon further investigation, I think there *is* music there, but you have
to download the player at
http://www.a2bmusic.com/download
I don't have time right now to try it, but that's what he said, and I do
see the download place.

alyce

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Talk about WLMs.  Today the New York Times introduced
a new section called "Circuits" dealing with digital technology
and just about anything that involves a computer chip.  The
headline from one of the features:

Yo!  Robot!  I'll Have
Some Sushi and a Beer

The dateline is London, and it's about a new restaurant (a
high-tech sushi joint) near Piccadilly called "Yo! Sushi."

The piece mentions sweet shrimp nigira, and robotic,
self-propelled drink trolleys that move through the aisles
dispensing Japanese beers and Diet Cokes.  They stop
when a customer waves a hand.

Some sushi orders (mostly the rolls) are still hand-rolled, but
a lot of it is rolled, wrapped and cut by robots that can produce
24,000 pieces of sushi an hour.

Myles

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>But those slices have to be small. Of course, not owning a microwave, I
>shouldn't be concerned in the least about this whole thing.
>
>alyce

Maybe you could warm it up in your whirlpool tub.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>She was just getting into character for her role in the Words-L
>Slammer-Chick Flick.
>
>Ken Miller
>Callum School of Videoturgy

Indeed.  When do we see the complete casting for this enterprise?  Will Brad
bring along the book to Beachfest?

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>Not a single day this Febryary has been without rain, snow,
>sleet or all combinations of them. I want to move someplace dry like Seattle.
>
>espen

Come live on our island.  We have a fjord!  And the sun rises early in
summer and sets early in winter.  You'd love it!!  And Clyde just bought a
jar of Oregano at the local grocery store with a label in some language you
would understand:  Forvara burken skyddad fran varme, ljus och fukt.



    bonniev@acadia.net

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><laugh> are you looking for a fight Karen? Or just continuing one?
>
>lisa

Go ahead, laugh, Lisa.  Encourage her!  If you haven't figured it out yet,
it was Karen Kay herself who totalled her car.  But she doesn't want to talk
about it.  Litigation ensuing, perhaps.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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> I should note that I've never had to re-adjust to my car.
>
>lisa

I have.  After just a week of driving an automatic, it took a few blocks to
remember that I had to put the clutch in at each stop sign.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>Why is everything a conspiracy?
>
>lisa
>who wonders how many guns you have stock piled

And why can't Harwell Toal, just walk up to her neighbor's door, knock, and
ask politely if the neighbor wouldn't mind if she put some garbage in the
neighbor's can this week?  Doesn't Texas have transfer stations where you
could haul the stuff right to the place?  Or dumps?  Or is a dump?



    bonniev@acadia.net

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > One of my friends, Karen, went to Aruba to see it.
>
> Maybe your friend will meet my ophthalmologist, who also has gone to
> Aruba to see it.

To check out prospective clients who view the eclipse w/o the proper
equipment?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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>Yup. They botched the Olympics, and now the Grammys. Of course, the
>Grammy telecast is a joke anyway, and always has been. Last night they
>presented 11 awards. 92 Grammies were awarded this year.

Just like the Olympics, skiing was on for just under 90 minutes and they
had showed 5 minutes of actual racing.

>> Kelsey Grammer was horrible. The timing was all off, he never knew when
>> he was on the air.
>Yeah! Did you see him waving to people in the audience.

He was asking his daughter if he was doing ok. Pathetic.

>> Paula Cole sounded like crap when she was singing.
>Yup. And what was with the abridged versions of the songs? Hanson went on
>forEVer, while Sarah, Shawn, and Paula all got like 20 seconds.

That's why there's a Lilith Fair! ;-)

>> I couldn't understand a word Julio Iglesias said. He couldn't pronounce
>> the winner's name, Jamiriqui ( I shouldn't be too critical, I can't
>> spell their name), so it seemed to me no one knew who had won.
>I couldn't understand him either. It's Jamiroquai.

I felt bad for them because I really like their music. No one seemed to
be into it. They say the AMAs are a knock off but their show was better.
Maybe it's just a network thing though.

>> We turned it off as soon as Hanson came on. Ok, this is a lie, we
>> turned it off after we were done trashing Hanson.
>They actually weren't too bad. The little one certainly whales on the
>drums.

I'll give them credit for being able to play. I notice the little one
lost his drum stick and didn't even flinch, he pulled up a new one and
kept going. True sign of a professional.

>> The funniest thing was when Kelsey Grammer promised we wouldn't be
>> seeing any of Marylan Manson's boney white ass on tv.. that I was truely
>> thankful for.
>Yes, although it was incredibly rude of him. I was laughing while at the
>same time feeling bad for Manson.

Well, I wouldn't feel bad for Manson, he thrives on that kinda shit.
As for it being rude, you're right, it was.
He was also rude to Ericka Badu (again, sp?).. saying he felt bad for
the person who had to sit behind her.

>Hey! I think that's Moxy Fruvous' next target of satire...Marilyn Hanson.

Scare me.

lisa

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> To check out prospective clients who view the eclipse w/o the proper
> equipment?

I asked this very question and he said that of course there is no danger
in looking at a *total* eclipse. 8-} It's just the coming to and going
from that cause problems.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Maybe you could warm it up in your whirlpool tub.

Maybe I'll send you a box to take to North Carolina and you can do it
for me.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>  bought a jar of Oregano at the local grocery store

What's this? You don't grow your own? If I'd but known, I'd have sent a
few thousand plants home with you.

alyce

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At 10:30 PM 02/25/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>Forced into skulking around at night like a common thief because of the
>Socialist State: because Graham slept through trash pickup last week, we
>had an overabundance which had to be squirrelled away in two neighbors'
>wheely-bins. Back in the days before Big Government usurped this critical
>homeowner's right, if you needed more trash space, you just bought more
>bins. Now, we have wheely-bins, and I hate them.
>
I feel your pain.


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, bonniev wrote:

> ask politely if the neighbor wouldn't mind if she put some garbage in the

We're not that formal here.

-aht

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>Colleen Coyne, Chris Bailey, Sue Merz (her nickname is Murphy) and Shelley
>Looney.
>
>lisa

Wow, not a rower in the group.  The Boston Globe had a really nice insert
about the Women's Hockey Team.  Little bios and stats and pictures on each
one.  The tallest of Lisa's friends is 5'6" tall.  Colleen is 5'3".  I'm
surprised.  I think of athletes as being tall.

When's the Boston party, Lisa?  Are your friends in Hawaii right now?

    bonniev@acadia.net

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On 26 Feb 98 at 11:52, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Upon further investigation, I think there *is* music there, but
> you have

You call that stuff music?


                mem

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>bonniev wrote:
>>  bought a jar of Oregano at the local grocery store
>
>What's this? You don't grow your own? If I'd but known, I'd have sent a
>few thousand plants home with you.
>
>alyce

Clyde does grow his own.  He uses it fresh and also dries it.  But he needed
a bit more to take along to NC.  He'd probably have appreciated a few
thousand plants.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, bonniev wrote:

> I have.  After just a week of driving an automatic, it took a few blocks to
> remember that I had to put the clutch in at each stop sign.

I had the opposite problem when I was learning to drive a car with a
manual transmission.  Whenever I drove a car with & automatic
transmission, I kept trying to put the clutch in when I stopped.  That
emant I hit the brake pedal.  Pushing the brake pedal to the floor makes a
car stop *very* suddenly.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Theodora M Groothof <TheodoraGroothof@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Trout
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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

">And that reminds me -- are there deer farms in the US?  I've been curio=
us
>about that for two weeks now, and nobody will give me the answer.
>
> -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)
"
-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
I've never heard of deer farms, but there are llama (sp?) farms here in C=
O.
I don't know why. I can't imagine they're for consumption. My guess is
they're raised for zoos. We don't raise deer. They're plentiful around he=
re
as is.  Hugz. Theo

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Eclipse
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> I asked this very question and he said that of course there is no danger
> in looking at a *total* eclipse. 8-} It's just the coming to and going
> from that cause problems.

I've always heard that looking directly without at an eclipse at any stage
without some sort of filter can damage your eyes.  Or so the astronomers
at the planetarium here were saying today.

But I suppose your doctor knows what he's talking about.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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>I've never heard of deer farms, but there are llama (sp?) farms here in CO.
>I don't know why. I can't imagine they're for consumption. My guess is
>they're raised for zoos. We don't raise deer. They're plentiful around here
>as is.  Hugz. Theo

Llamas are also used as pack animals in hiking tours in Maine.  They make
very good herding animals as well.  They get quite protective of a herd of
sheep in their charge.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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In-Reply-To:  <199802261859.NAA11394@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 26,
              98 01:59:27 pm

bonniev said:
> I think of athletes as being tall.

Yeah, gymnasts are known for being giants.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Rashmi <rashmi@SPL3.ECE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Seven things I learned at Snowbash III
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The landscape of West Springfield is much improved by a generous
application of snow.
Adam rilly rilly loves the color green.
All kinds of Hartfield family lore - Adam's penchant for
puns and wordplay (and music) runs in the family.
The Dish is a true classic, its appeal is timeless.
Reminiscing about 80's music and reliving one's misspent youth is FUN!
Two new Scrabble words: JO and ET.
We've always known that keeping up with the list is not necessary for
having a good time at a List Event. But this one kind of took the
cake - Adam was the only snowbasher who'd read the list in the past
week or three. I may not be able to read the list anymore but
words-lers ROOL!

-rashmi, with apologies to LH for the delay

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Oprah rocks!!!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Without Permission

-------

Oprah Beats Texas Cattlemen in Beef Trial

By Jeff Franks

AMARILLO, Texas (Reuters) - Television talk show queen Oprah Winfrey won
her court battle against Texas cattlemen Thursday when a federal jury ruled
she did not slander the beef industry in a 1996 show on
mad cow disease.

The jury in Amarillo, Texas, said Winfrey was not liable for damages caused
by a sharp drop in cattle futures prices after the show, in which a
vegetarian activist spoke of a possible outbreak of mad cow disease in the
United States.

A jubilant Winfrey raised her arms and punched the air with her fist
shouting "Yes!" as she left the court and was met by loud cheers from
dozens of rowdy fans.

"My reaction is that free speech not only lives. It rocks," said Winfrey,
who is one of the world's highest-paid entertainers.

She said the trial had been "very, very difficult" but cited her
African-American heritage in insisting she would not be pressured into
changing her hugely popular daytime show.

"I will continue to use my voice. I believed from the beginning this was
attempt to muzzle that voice and I come from a people who have struggled
and died in order to have voice in this country and I refuse to be
muzzled," she said.

"It will not change the way I operate. It has made me even more fervent in
my desire and intention to bring information and enlightenment and
encourage people in the ways I see fit and to offer them ideas in a way they
can respond to and judge for themselves," she said.

The cattlemen had accused Winfrey and her guest Howard Lyman, cattle
rancher-turned-vegetarian campaigner, of deliberately and maliciously
attacking the industry and wanted them found liable for about $11
million in damages.

Winfrey testified during the six-week trial that she had tried to expose a
potential problem and was not out to get ranchers. She said again on
Thursday that she and her producers had "done nothing wrong".

The jury of eight women and four men deliberated for five hours on
Wednesday and less than two hours on Thursday, saying afterward their
ruling was a vote for freedom of speech.

"We didn't necessarily like what we had to do but we had to decide for the
First Amendment," jury forewoman Christy Sams said.

Paul Engler, one of the cattlemen who sued Winfrey, said he would appeal
and that he may have been beaten by Winfrey's celebrity more than her legal
arguments.

He offered Winfrey his congratulations, but said the trial sent a message
to talk show hosts to make sure their facts are correct. He said testimony
had demonstrated there was no risk of a mad cow epidemic in the United
States.

"We did accomplish that main objective to convince the U.S. people, the
consumers, that U.S. beef is safe," he told reporters. "I want to see
responsible reporting and responsible talk show hosts.

In the most controversial part of Oprah's show, Lyman said U.S. cattle were
being fed ground-up cattle parts,raising the risks of a mad cow disease
epidemic which he said would "make AIDS look like the common
cold."

Winfrey told the studio audience and viewers that Lyman's comments "just
stopped me cold from eating another burger."

Amarillo lies in the heart of Texas cattle country. About 25 percent of the
nation's beef is produced there.

Winfrey said she was concerned she might not get a fair trial in the city,
but that she soon changed her mind. She drew a loyal band of local fans who
snapped up every ticket to the shows she has taped nightly in
Amarillo since the trial began.

She said her reception had been superb but that she was glad to be leaving.
"I'm coming home, Chicago," she yelled to more laughs and cheers.

The National Cattlemen's Beef Association said it was "disappointed" that
the jury found Winfrey's show had not been directly aimed at the
plaintiffs, Texas cattlemen.

"So the real issue in this case -- responsible speech -- could not be
addressed," the Denver-based organization said in a statement.

"In today's world of instant and widespread communications, the impact of
misinformation can be devastating on the market for perishable agricultural
products," the group said.

Forbes magazine last September estimated Winfrey's net worth at $550
million.
Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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>bonniev said:
>> I think of athletes as being tall.
>
>Yeah, gymnasts are known for being giants.
>
>Karen

I don't think of gymnasts as athletes.  Prissy little things.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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In-Reply-To:  <199802262042.PAA18410@p2.acadia.net> from "bonniev" at Feb 26,
              98 03:42:44 pm

bonniev said:
> I don't think of gymnasts as athletes.

Uh-huh.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Oprah rocks!!!
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All right! Between this and the overturn of the CDA, I almost feel a
little bit optimistic about life in the nineties.

-aht

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From: Theodora M Groothof <TheodoraGroothof@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: A non-olympic record
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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"Not a single day this Febryary has been without rain, snow,
>sleet or all combinations of them. I want to move someplace dry like
Seattle.
>
>espen
"
-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
Seattle dry? Hahahaha (choke, gasp) Trying to recover from hysterical
laughter.
Wondering how may lies the Seattle Chamber of Commerce spreads to lure
visitors......... Hugz from Theo in dry, sunny Colorado.

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> You call that stuff music?

Ahhh. I haven't listened. But I sense there is <something> there.
Perhaps just not to your taste?

alyce

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Subject:      Re: Trout
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Theodora M Groothof wrote:
>
> there are llama (sp?) farms here in CO.
> I don't know why.

We have them here too. They raise them for their fleece.

alyce

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Eclipse
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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> But I suppose your doctor knows what he's talking about.

There is danger looking at an eclipse, except when the eclipse is total,
there's nothing to see at that moment. It's dark. That was his little
joke. However, seems to me there was a total eclipse in NYC in the 70s,
and even at its total point there was a "ring of fire" around the edges
of a dark circle. Yes? Do I remember correctly? Anyone know?

alyce

alyce

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I remember reading recently about twins who shared one set of legs and
a vital organ, maybe liver. I think this was before they were
delivered. What ever happened with that?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 22:30 25/02/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Forced into skulking around at night like a common thief because of the
>Socialist State: because Graham slept through trash pickup last week, we
>had an overabundance which had to be squirrelled away in two neighbors'
>wheely-bins. Back in the days before Big Government usurped this critical
>homeowner's right, if you needed more trash space, you just bought more
>bins. Now, we have wheely-bins, and I hate them.

I like 'em

Maggy
>
>

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At 14:06 26/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
>  --------------------
>I've never heard of deer farms, but there are llama (sp?) farms here in C=
>O.
>I don't know why. I can't imagine they're for consumption. My guess is
>they're raised for zoos.

Aren't they raised for their coats?
Maggy





 We don't raise deer. They're plentiful around he=
>re
>as is.  Hugz. Theo
>
>

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At 14:30 26/02/98 -0500, you wrote:

>I've always heard that looking directly without at an eclipse at any stage
>without some sort of filter can damage your eyes.  Or so the astronomers
>at the planetarium here were saying today.

I don't know if this will come across when I try to write it down but here
goes.

The shop across from ours is a ladies hairdresser, Rita my friend who owns
it is Italian, speaks truncated English ["where are my sciss?],very
excitable and naive.

We had a partial eclipse here last year and Geoff had a piece of coloured
glass and we stood out in the road [it's that kind of place, you can do
that [most times] and Rita saw us and I called her out and gave her the
glass and told her to look. Now it so happened that she didn't know about
the eclipse and it turns out that she didn't know about eclipses full stop.
She looked through the glass, saw what was happening, looked at the glass
curiously, turned to me [both of us stood in the middle of the road] and
said accusingly "Margaret, what have you been doing?".


Maggy




>
>But I suppose your doctor knows what he's talking about.
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>
>

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>><laugh> are you looking for a fight Karen? Or just continuing one?
>>lisa

>Go ahead, laugh, Lisa.  Encourage her!  If you haven't figured it out yet,
>it was Karen Kay herself who totalled her car.  But she doesn't want to talk
>about it.  Litigation ensuing, perhaps.

Yes, thank you, I have learned my lesson. I will now keep my mouth shut
when such thoughts cross my mind.

lisa
can anyone guess which Steeler's Wheel song I'm thinking of?

>    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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Alyce:
>We have them here too. They raise them for their fleece.

Something else I learned in NZ was that wool there is considered a
by-product in sheep farming -- that the main product is lamb.

With their fleece as lilac as snow...

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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I can top these.  Today at lunch one of our tutors asked me, "When's the
eclipse?"  Stifling the urge to asked why he cared I answered, "Cole of
hours ago."
"Oh," he said.  "I guess it doesn't matter that I forgot my binoculars this
morning, then"          (No, he wasn't kidding.)

JMW

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Damn line noise...

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In-Reply-To:  <199802270005.JAA26824@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Feb
              27, 98 09:16:34 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> With their fleece as lilac as snow...

I never saw a purple sheep.

I never hope to see one.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:04:30 -0800 Karen Kay said;

>Natalie Maynor said:
>> With their fleece as lilac as snow...
>I never saw a purple sheep.
>I never hope to see one.
I've never seen a purple sheep,
Although I thought I'd seen one.
But I was told that what I'd seen
Had been an aubergine one.

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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
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> neighbor's can this week?  Doesn't Texas have transfer stations where you
> could haul the stuff right to the place?  Or dumps?  Or is a dump?
>
>     bonniev@acadia.net

Or take it to a grocery store's dumpster.

jinny

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              Feb 26, 98 05:21:34 pm

Elwood P. Dowd said:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:04:30 -0800 Karen Kay said;
> >Natalie Maynor said:
> >> With their fleece as lilac as snow...
> >I never saw a purple sheep.
> >I never hope to see one.
> I've never seen a purple sheep,
> Although I thought I'd seen one.
> But I was told that what I'd seen
> Had been an aubergine one.

I am in awe of you, Mr. Dowd. This is truly magnificent!!!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Evelyn Duncan <evelynd@SPRYNET.COM>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> wrote:
>  Friends and others,
>
> I have some very good and wonderful news. I am now engaged. Saturday Feb.
>21, 1998 was the wonderful date. Her name is Heide and she lives in Western
>New York. We met through some internet personals, we have known each other
>for about seven months. Marriage will be April 1999. More later.

Congratulations!

Evelyn Duncan
evelynd@sprynet.com
The telephone has no Constitutional right
to be answered.   _First Monday in October_

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:

> Or take it to a grocery store's dumpster.

A very telling remark, Jinny.

-aht

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
> With their fleece as lilac as snow...

I guess you saw a lot of heather reflecting on the fleece?

alyce

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Bookrat wrote:
> I'm thinking of a moment at the Philly Folk Festival when a performer on
> stage ventured something that sounded to me like a tentative "yiz", to
> which nearly a third of the crowd responded with something that sounded to
> me like "yiz'ns!".  Now, of course, I was not expecting to hear a dialect
> ...
> Is there anything at all in the Philly dialect like this?  And if so, how
> would you represent its sound in ASCII-dictionary representation?

Not that I can think of, Ken.  Maybe it's a folkie thang.  The
only thing that I can think of that sounds even close is, "yes'm".

Marie

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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The tapeworm was 24 feet, not 40 inches.  I finally got around to reading
the clipping.

  "At first glance it could be a fire hose, neatly accordioned behind a
panel of glass and mounted on a wall.  As the wall is in a museum devoted
wholly to parasites, however, you have the unsettling feeling that upon
closer inspection it will turn out not to be a piece of safety equipment.
  "'Diphyllobothrium,' says Shumya Kamegai cheerfully.  Kamegai, a
parasitologist, is director of the Meguro Paristological Museum in
Tokyo.  Diphyllobothrium is a tapeworm, in this case a 24-foot-long
tapeworm.  Kamegai speaks English, but you almost wish he didn't.  Then
you wouldn't know that this tapeworm lived in a 40-year-old sushi eater.
You wouldn't know what the man's doctor had to do to evict the specimen
in one long museum-quality piece.  You wouldn't know that it grew 20
centimeters a day in the man's belly.  'Grew this big in two months
after eating sushi,' says Kamegai.  You nod, silently calculating the
hours that have elapsed since you ate raw fish at a cheap Tokyo sushi
bar.
  "Each year some 2,000 Japanese fall ill from worms in raw fish.  In the
United States doctors don't have to report those kinds of illnesses, so
statistics aren't available.
...
   "Kamegai himself was a statistic.  But it wasn't a tapeworm that made
him sick.  What caused Kamegai's illness, indeed what causes most illnesses
traced to worms in raw fish, was a less showy organism.  Kamegai steps over
to the museum's souvenir shop and picks up a key chain featuring a
matchbook-sized slab of Lucite.  Inside it, half an inch long and delicate
as corn silk, is a worm of the species Anisakis simplex.
   "'Very stomachache.'  Kamegai winces at the memory.  'Very sharp pain.'
On a far wall is a photographic blowup of the front end of an anisakid.
This is a creature with few charms.  It excretes waste from its face.  In
place of a nose it has a prominent Black & Deckeresque attachment called
a boring tooth, which it uses to drill holes in your intestines.  It does
this because it wants to get into your abdominal cavity, which it hopes will
be a more hospitable place to settle down and raise a family.  Thankfully
for you, it's not.  An anisakid worm needs to locate a seal stomach to
complete its life cycle and reproduce.  (The eggs leave the seal and grow
into larvae that get eaten by large fish, which in turn are eaten by seals
-- and sometimes by humans.)
   "After a week or so spent touring your innards, the worm dies.  In the
meantime it can make life so uncomfortable that anisakiasis is often
misdiagnosed as stomach cancer or appendicitis.  Indeed, the most dire
side effect of anisakiasis is the unnecessary appendectomy.  [Why is that
dire?  Getting rid of your appendix would mean never having to worry about
getting appendicitis at an inopportune time, wouldn't it?]
   "In view of Kamegai's own experience, it's surprising to learn that he
still frequents sushi bars.  'Of course,' he says, neatening a pile of
sterling silver parasite earrings.  'I go all the time.'  That's because
Kamegai didn't get the worms from sushi bar fish.  He got them from raw
fish his wife prepared.
   "In both Japan and the United States, far more people get ill from fish
fixed at home than from fish served in sushi restaurants.  [I thought he
said earlier that there weren't any statistics for the US.]"
...
from _Health_ magazine, March '98

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sushi
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In-Reply-To:  <199802270510.OAA25597@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Feb
              27, 98 02:20:41 pm

Natalie Maynor said:
>   "Each year some 2,000 Japanese fall ill from worms in raw fish.

This is a minuscule number considering that each Japanese person
probably eats sushi at least once/month.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Is Worf still seeing what's-her-name--the woman w/ the sybiant?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD@UCSBVM.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wool
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:30:01 -0800 Karen Kay said:
>> But I was told that what I'd seen
>> Had been an aubergine one.
>I am in awe of you, Mr. Dowd. This is truly magnificent!!!
>Karen

Gentle Karen,
   Aw, shucks ma'am.  'Tweren't nuffin.  If this were not a
monochrome display, you could see that I am blushing even as
I type this.

Peace,
Elwood P. (and what ever happened to SHEP-Oh (c)?) Dowd

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:20:52 -0500 Alyce Cresap said:
>> With their fleece as lilac as snow...
>I guess you saw a lot of heather reflecting on the fleece?
Gentle Alyce,
   Somehow, I can't imagine Heather reflecting on woolly sheep
for any significant length of time.  She has certainly not
shown this propensity on WORDS-L that I can recall.

Peace,
Elwood P. (in a LAMB-Oh (c) mood again) Dowd

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 11:20 26.02.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>On 26 Feb 98 at 9:00, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> At 20:05 25.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >Alyce Cresap said:
>> >> We're talking 1/8 of a pound here, Karen. That's not much food. I'm sure
>> >> your meals weigh that much usually, even sushi.
>> >
>> >Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.
>>
>> This comes close to a beginning of something in a dactylic tetrameter.
>> Who supplies the next line?
>
>Norway is windy.  Go fly a kite!

In a period of 30 minutes this morning I experienced rain, hail, snow, and
rain again.

espen

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At 13:31 26.02.98 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>would understand:  Forvara burken skyddad fran varme, ljus och fukt.

"Keep the jar shielded from heat, light and moisture", yes. But why they
sell oregano with a Swedish label is past my understanding. (Some of the
characters should probably look different from what is shown in the quote
above. The "o" in forvara should have umlaut and the "a" in fran should
have a ring on top.)

espen - who might check out unreal Maine one day

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I managed to get Linux up and running and one of the X-Windows systems that
came with it. Today my combination network and modem PCMCIA-card finally
arrived, and if I manage to get that up and running I will be able to
connect from home again, at least from my Windows system. In theory I could
set up the Linux system as a PPP-server but I will leave that for a later
excercise.

espen

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At 12:45 26.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>bonniev said:
>> I don't think of gymnasts as athletes.
>
>Uh-huh.

Many people don't think of ballet dancers as athletes either.

espen

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I now believe that I have set the card up correctly also for the modem
functions. If I post to this service tomorrow that will be proof.

espen

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Elwood P. Dowd wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:04:30 -0800 Karen Kay said;
>
> >Natalie Maynor said:
> >> With their fleece as lilac as snow...
> >I never saw a purple sheep.
> >I never hope to see one.
> I've never seen a purple sheep,
> Although I thought I'd seen one.
> But I was told that what I'd seen
> Had been an aubergine one.

ROFL!

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> This is a minuscule number considering that each Japanese person
> probably eats sushi at least once/month.

I was under the impression that sushi was a workingmans lunch. Once a
month sounds like a "special treat" kind of food. Please explain.

-aht

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Is Worf still seeing what's-her-name--the woman w/ the sybiant?

That's symbiont. No, he's not seeing her. They got married.

-aht

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Worf and Jadzia got married in a traditional Klingon ceremony.

Evelyn

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Karen asked:

Is Worf still seeing what's-her-name--the woman w/ the sybiant?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Unreal Maine WLM
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This morning, as I was taking a bag of trash to the dumpster in my
parking lot, I noticed that two cars had Acadia National Park stickers in
their rear windows.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Neal D. Traven" <nhpro.ntraven@SDPS.ORG>
Organization: NHCQF
Subject:      Re: Seven things I learned at Snowbash III
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Rashmi reported on SBIII:

> The landscape of West Springfield is much improved by a generous
> application of snow.

What she means is '<would have been> much improved ...'  SBIII was a
fine time, but it lacked a certain, ummm, thrill due to the totally
non-inclement weather.  For SBI, we fought through mountains of snow,
rerouted airplanes, and cancelled trains; SBII had us skating through
sleet and freezing rain before viewing the western MA crystal palace.
SBIII was warm and sunny, with the attendant negative connotations.

> Adam rilly rilly loves the color green.
> All kinds of Hartfield family lore - Adam's penchant for
> puns and wordplay (and music) runs in the family.

Though there appeared to be somewhat less appreciation for Dan Bern than
might have been expected.  It was mentioned that Adam/LH isn't a fan of
Dylan either.  Coming from an avowed lover of a vast range of musical
genres, this deficiency is troubling.

> The Dish is a true classic, its appeal is timeless.
> Reminiscing about 80's music and reliving one's misspent youth is FUN!

'80s and youth ... doesn't quite work for me.

I didn't mention this at SBIII itself, but that specially requested Rush
song that had Melanie bopping was totally, completely, entirely unknown
to me.  I am not making this up.

I'm not certain whether I'm upset at this hole in my music vocabulary;
in and of itself, what I heard in that Rush song was totally,
completely, entirely generic hard rock.  I've heard better ... *much*
better.

> Two new Scrabble words: JO and ET.

Both placed on the board by yours truly.  The former was part of a
late-in-the-game 18-point single-tile placement (the O also became the
first letter of OX).

Modest Rashmi fails to mention that she was the victor in that Scrabble
game, edging past me by emptying her rack and picking up the points the
rest of us still held.  The winning score in the five-person battle was
something like 150.  My excuses are two -- I play better Scrabble in a
tent, and I misplaced a major word (the Q should have gone on a triple
word instead of the double word I used for it ... I had QUIT<blank>
sitting on my rack, call the <blank> S and it would have pluralized
FOAL).

> We've always known that keeping up with the list is not necessary for
> having a good time at a List Event. But this one kind of took the
> cake - Adam was the only snowbasher who'd read the list in the past
> week or three. I may not be able to read the list anymore but
> words-lers ROOL!

What she said!

> -rashmi, with apologies to LH for the delay

--
neal traven                     Northeast Health Care Quality Foundation
                             * * * * *
       "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                      -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: Unreal Maine WLM
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>This morning, as I was taking a bag of trash to the dumpster in my
>parking lot, I noticed that two cars had Acadia National Park stickers in
>their rear windows.
>
> --Adam

Cool.  Massachusetts cars?

A season pass is only $20.  The locals line up at the fee station on the
morning in May when the Loop Road reopens after the long winter and the even
longer mud season and vie for a low number.  Or at least we do.  We got 0008
last year.

There was just an article in yesterday's paper about how easy it is, and how
often it is done, to bypass paying that fee and still use most of the Park.
There are lots of entrances to the Park.  One can bike all the carriage
roads and never pass the one fee station.  One can drive to the top of Mount
Cadillac and never see the fee station.

But, if you want to drive the most dramatic part of the Loop Road which
passes Sand Beach, Thunder Hole, and Otter Cliffs, then you will encounter
the Fee Station.  The fee is just $10 for a week's pass.  I've seen one
guide book, on how to vacation cheaply, that actually tells you how to
bypass the Acadia fee station.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
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>"Keep the jar shielded from heat, light and moisture", yes. But why they
>sell oregano with a Swedish label is past my understanding. (Some of the
>characters should probably look different from what is shown in the quote
>above. The "o" in forvara should have umlaut and the "a" in fran should
>have a ring on top.)
>
>espen - who might check out unreal Maine one day

Yes, it had those diacritical marks.  Yes, you must come visit.  Indeed!
You can even bring the green-haired daughter.  There is a college here in
Bar Harbor.  I haven't seen any green hair yet.  But the students look like
the kind who might just do that if they weren't so busy hugging trees and
chasing whales.

One day, in the Park, this winter, we saw two college-age, young men leaving
their car and starting on a hike.  We looked at each other and said:  "not
ours."  Nope.  They were from Massachusetts.  Went to an Ivy school with
their neat haircuts and oh-so-casual clothing.  The College of the Atlantic
students have long, messy hair and dress like the 60s.

As for why the Swedish label, my guess is that it was a mistake.  Some place
in Sweden the locals are cursing those damn Merkins for not even having the
courtesy to print the label in the language of the consumer.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>Many people don't think of ballet dancers as athletes either.
>
>espen

I own a t-shirt that says:  "Athletes row.  Everyone else plays games."

    bonniev@acadia.net

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>In a period of 30 minutes this morning I experienced rain, hail, snow, and
>rain again.
>
>espen

This is not unheard of in Unreal Maine.  Well, not the hail.  I haven't seen
the kind of hail here that seriously damaged our cars and roof two times in
Tennessee.  We do get freezing rain though.  That's like fine hail.

We are hoping the rain and wind is going to stop this morning so that we can
drag the sea kayak out from under the porch and load it for the trip South
tomorrow.



    bonniev@acadia.net

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Subject:      Re: Unreal Maine WLM
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> Cool.  Massachusetts cars?

Yup. A nondescript compact and an aging Ford Bronco.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
Wish I still had my Words-L bumpersticker

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sushi
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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9802270640.A7853-0100000@netcom5> from "Anne H Toal"
              at Feb 27, 98 06:57:11 am

Anne H Toal said:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > This is a minuscule number considering that each Japanese person
> > probably eats sushi at least once/month.
>
> I was under the impression that sushi was a workingmans lunch.

I don't think so. That's mroe like obento (box lunch) or musubi (rice
balls w/ stuff in the middle--when I climbed Mt. Fuji, mine had a
pickle in the middle). You can buy it on the street quite easily, but
I would't say it's the avg. workingman's lunch.

> Once a month sounds like a "special treat" kind of food. Please
> explain.

Note 'probably' and 'at least'. There are people who (gasp!) don't
like sushi. Also, there's a LOT of other food to eat in Japan. Like
octopus balls. I know that I think about eating sushi a lot more here
than I did there, because most Japanese restaurants here are sushi
places, or have sushi. That's not true in Japan.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@ACADIA.NET>
Subject:      Re: A non-olympic record
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>What's this? You don't grow your own? If I'd but known, I'd have sent a
>few thousand plants home with you.
>
>alyce
>

I started some this year, but it didn't produce like I thought it would.
However, if it survives the winter, it ought to do well this year.  I am,
however, still cooking with home-grown thyme, rosemary, and marjoram.

cwv

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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Anne H Toal said:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Is Worf still seeing what's-her-name--the woman w/ the sybiant?
>
> That's symbiont.

I've seen it spelled that way and it just looks weird. What is that o
for.

> No, he's not seeing her. They got married.

And they are happily married? Is Colm Meany still on the show?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Grammys
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>> The Wu Tang guy was ridiculous.
>Who or what is Wu Tang.

The Wu Tang Clan is a rap group.

The controversy is, Shawn Colvin (the
woman who sings, Sonny Came Home) won an award. As she was going up to
accept it, a member of the WTC jumped up on stage, grabbed a live mic and
started babbling about how his group is better than some other rapper.
Basically he was pissed because he had lost an award to the other rapper.
I was watching the show and I had no idea what he was talking at the time.
It wasn't until I noticed a security official (some guy in a tux with lots
of backstage passes around his neck) trying to get him off the stage.

Shawn Colvin has been around for a while. She's in her early 40s and has
finally achieved some commercial success. She's not my favorite but, I do
like and appreciate her music. I felt bad for her because her moment
to shine was interrupted by a guy who calls himself, Old Dirty Bastard and
bitches to a live audience that he spent a lot of money on new clothes so
he could look good when he picked up the award he was sure he would win.

lisa

>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>     Musical Phillistine

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 10:10 PM 2/26/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Is Worf still seeing what's-her-name--the woman w/ the sybiant?
>
>Karen
>  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn
>
He married her, in a rip-roaring Klingon wedding. You don't want much tv do
you.

s

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From: "Heather M. Hewitt" <HHEW1030@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Happy Birthday, Debali
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>
>Sylvia Edwards said:
>> Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
>> > >Just in case Debali Mookerjea still lurks here from the great city
>> >
>> > She's in India, but I'll relay your wishes.
>>
>> This means she does have a good chance of speaking to Tushar.
>
>Is he in India?
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com


He told me he was going, but I forget when.


heather

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Star Trek Question
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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980227080118.007e0290@mail.auldbooks.com> from
              "Shoshana Edwards" at Feb 27, 98 08:01:18 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> He married her, in a rip-roaring Klingon wedding. You don't want much tv do
> you.

Star Trek is on TV here, in some form or other, at least 2 hours
every day. Twice a week it's on 5 hours/day. And that's just on the
local stations--I don't have cable. I am not a major Trek fan and I
have trouble keeping all the timelines of all the shows straight!

I was just wondering because last night I saw Worf and he was talking
about options for what to do with the rest of his life (because he had
decided to leave Star Fleet)--I can do or I can do this. And I
wondered what happened to the babe. I still wonder, of course, because
I think that this was one of the shows from this season.

I did notice that Sisko has loosened up since he went back in time.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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On 27 Feb 98 at 7:53, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> >> >Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.
> >>
> >> This comes close to a beginning of something in a dactylic
> >>  tetrameter.  Who supplies the next line?
> >
> >Norway is windy.  Go fly a kite!
>
> In a period of 30 minutes this morning I experienced rain, hail,
> snow, and rain again.

Ah, Neal's kind of weather!  We continue to enjoy mild,
sunny days, temps in the mid- to upper 50s.  With all
the negative connotations, of course.  But it should be
pleasant for Bonnie and Clyde's drive tomorrow.  Sunday
I expect they'll run into some rain.

Myles

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 08:03 AM 2/27/98 -0800, you wrote:

wondering because last night I saw Worf and he was talking
>about options for what to do with the rest of his life (because he had
>decided to leave Star Fleet)--I can do or I can do this. And I
>wondered what happened to the babe. I still wonder, of course, because
>I think that this was one of the shows from this season.
>
Ah. If I am remembering that one correctly, it was either last season or
very early in this current season. Worf and Jadzia Dax married a few shows
back. She's one of my favorite characters: so feminine and so warrior. It's
a tought character to play, with the symbiont having lived so long and with
so many others, and she carries it off well.  "Babe" is not a term I would
have chosen to describe her.

s

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>
>
>
 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

Wish I still had my Words-L bumpersticker

        Yea, me too.

JMW

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From: bonniev <bonniev@ACADIA.NET>
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> But it should be
> pleasant for Bonnie and Clyde's drive tomorrow.  Sunday
> I expect they'll run into some rain.
>
>Myles

That's how we see it too.  I just hope the kayak doesn't fill with water!
The forecast for NC for Monday and Tuesday looks like a cooling trend.  I
hope so.  It's hard to plunger a Mainer right into 70 degree weather.  I
told the barmaid at Geddy's pub this afternoon that we were going to NC.
She's from Columbus, NC, just north of Hendersonville, in the mountains.
When I said they were having some days in the 70s already, she looked rather
dazed and muttered "70 degrees!" --  like it was a miracle that part of the
country should be that warm.  The locals here are ecstatic that the forecast
is calling for 50 degrees this weekend.  Should be three months before it
climbs all the way up to 70.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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Is Hirogen a Japanese word?

-aht

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> I've seen it spelled that way and it just looks weird. What is that o
> for.

You're weird.

> And they are happily married? Is Colm Meany still on the show?

You are showing frightening signs of having no life, Karen.

-aht

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If this arrives at the service on Friday my modem is working.

espen

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              at Feb 27, 98 02:18:46 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I've seen it spelled that way and it just looks weird. What is that o
> > for.
>
> You're weird.

Why, thank you!

> > And they are happily married? Is Colm Meany still on the show?
>
> You are showing frightening signs of having no life, Karen.

Hey, Burton, if I didn't have a life I'd know the answer to these questions.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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              Ore" at Feb 27, 98 09:17:36 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> If this arrives at the service on Friday my modem is working.

Yup!

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Hey, Burton, if I didn't have a life I'd know the answer to these questions.

It's still a bad sign. I wouldn't trust myself to play too close to the
fire if I were you.

-aht

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Subject:      Slime
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I spent $6 determining the answer to Adam's slime questions. I
realized that I was confusing awabi (which is a shellfish) w/ amaebi
(which is sweet steamed shrimp). The shrimp is definitely cooked,
Adam, that's why it's *pink*. I'd think you'd know that. But anyway,
it is definitely slimy-feeling. I don't like it either.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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At 12:38 27.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> If this arrives at the service on Friday my modem is working.
>
>Yup!
>

And now I managed to read mail, too. I am trapped in a Windows/Linux world.

espen

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Slime
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> I spent $6 determining the answer to Adam's slime questions. I
> realized that I was confusing awabi (which is a shellfish) w/ amaebi
> (which is sweet steamed shrimp). The shrimp is definitely cooked,
> Adam, that's why it's *pink*. I'd think you'd know that.

No, no, NO NO NO NO NO. The stuff they call sweet shrimp here, in
Northampton, is gray, NOT PINK.  There is no confusion on my part.

There is also cooked shrimp sushi which is OK but not one of my
favorites.

Next time I have sushi I'll find out that slimy stuff's Japanese name and
tell you.

 --Aam

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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9802271404.A3913-0100000@netcom5> from "Anne H Toal"
              at Feb 27, 98 02:41:26 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Hey, Burton, if I didn't have a life I'd know the answer to these questions.
>
> It's still a bad sign. I wouldn't trust myself to play too close to the
> fire if I were you.

It's New-car-looking-at Avoidance. Sheesh!

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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In-Reply-To:  <34F7286C@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Feb 27, 98 03:55:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> No, no, NO NO NO NO NO. The stuff they call sweet shrimp here, in
> Northampton, is gray, NOT PINK.  There is no confusion on my part.

Okay.

> There is also cooked shrimp sushi which is OK but not one of my
> favorites.

That's different.

> Next time I have sushi I'll find out that slimy stuff's Japanese name and
> tell you.

Yeah, but if it's $6, I'm not tasting it. And no heads!

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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Anne H Toal said:
> Is Hirogen a Japanese word?

It *could* be, phonemically. What context?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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              Ore" at Feb 27, 98 09:46:52 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> And now I managed to read mail, too. I am trapped in a Windows/Linux world.

Doesn't it feel good?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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On 25 Feb 98 at 16:11, Alyce Cresap  wrote:

> It obviously is intended
> to deceive--the big box, the big label (14! strips), etc. It is for the
> unwary shopper who will think that s/he's paying about the same for 2.1
> oz. and s/he would for a pound. There is no plastic window so you can
> see the size of the slices. The implication is that they are big, but I
> really doubt it, and the fact remains, it's 2.1 oz.

Btw, did you see that software publishers won a lawsuit in California
that had claimed they were violating deceptive packaging regulations
because the diskettes/CDROMs were much smaller than the boxes they
were packaged in ?

Tony H.

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On 25 Feb 98 at 20:05, Karen Kay  wrote:

> Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.

Huh?!  Aside from the "pound of feathers; pound of iron" argument, I
think of Sushi as pretty light stuff; bacon as solid and heavy.

Tony H.

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On 25 Feb 98 at 12:17, Karen Kay  wrote:

> > If one had to get rid of one's two much loved cats because of
> > allergies, where would one start ?

> Poor Tony! You can't desensitize the allergic one?

Thanks to everyone who wrote with suggestions.  The allergic one is
Barbara, and no - it's infeasible to do anything about it according
to the allergist and the respirologist.  The cats have to go, though
it'll take months at least to get all the allergens out of the house,
evidently.

So - does anyone want a cat ?  It would be best if they are *not*
adopted together.

Tony H.

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              27, 98 04:35:11 pm

Tony Harminc said:
> On 25 Feb 98 at 20:05, Karen Kay  wrote:
> > Sushi is heavy. Bacon is light.
>
> Huh?!  Aside from the "pound of feathers; pound of iron" argument, I
> think of Sushi as pretty light stuff; bacon as solid and heavy.

Which weighs more: 5 pieces of bacon or 5 pieces of sushi?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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On 25 Feb 98 at 19:08, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIA  wrote:

>         I think Adam answered this.  "Canadian content" sounds
>         like a likely explanation to me.  (Not that our neighbors
>         in the Great White North don't *have* 'history'...) I was
>         just wondering why they* were making such a whacking great
>         point of it in the ads.

I'm really not following all this.  Some US history channel
advertises (on broadcast TV?) and has a disclaimer that they aren't
available in Canada ?  Truly strange - I mean, what Canadians would
be watching the US broadcast to see the ad ?  I don't see how
"Canadian content" comes into it.

Tony H.

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In-Reply-To:  <m0y8XLP-0001TQC@minerva.amdahl.com> from "Tony Harminc" at Feb
              27, 98 04:27:48 pm

Tony Harminc said:
> Thanks to everyone who wrote with suggestions.  The allergic one is
> Barbara, and no - it's infeasible to do anything about it according
> to the allergist and the respirologist.

Wow, she must be really bad. I'm sorry.

> The cats have to go, though
> it'll take months at least to get all the allergens out of the house,
> evidently.

Yup. It's not easy.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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At 13:11 27.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> And now I managed to read mail, too. I am trapped in a Windows/Linux world.
>
>Doesn't it feel good?

Phhhhthhhphhhh

espen

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> It *could* be, phonemically. What context?

Star Trek. The new enemy of Janeway. These guys look a lot like Predator.

-aht

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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9802271651.A3913-0100000@netcom5> from "Anne H Toal"
              at Feb 27, 98 04:23:28 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > It *could* be, phonemically. What context?
>
> Star Trek. The new enemy of Janeway. These guys look a lot like Predator.

Hm. I haven't seen them, I don't think.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Sheep
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen:
>> With their fleece as lilac as snow...
>
>I never saw a purple sheep.
>
>I never hope to see one.

I think that you will never weep
For a sight as lovely as lilac sheep.

Karen:
>I am in awe of you, Mr. Dowd. This is truly magnificent!!!

True.  Btw, Elwood, I thought of you when I saw ostrich farms in NZ.

Alyce:
>I guess you saw a lot of heather reflecting on the fleece?

Actually I didn't this trip.  But I still have memories of seeing
Heather reflecting on cows at Wordstock.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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> You can buy it on the street quite easily, but
>I would't say it's the avg. workingman's lunch.

It's in lots of bento boxes sold in the basement of my building.  But
I have done no surveys of how many people are eating sushi at any given
moment in Japan.  Or sashimi.  I do know that almost every dish offered
at the restaurant I was in last night included either sushi or sashimi.
But that is not to suggest that all restaurants are like that.

When reading the article my mother sent me, I kept remembering the sushi
I had eaten on the flight back from NZ.  I had not eaten the sashimi at
the second meal on the plane, though.  I still felt full from the earlier
meal and was somehow turned off by the thought of sashimi at that point.
(I was also full from the candy bars I had pulled from my purse.)

Different subject:  I got mail from Norman this morning asking about the
latest Pest Fest plans.  He wants to buy his ticket to Budapest soon.
What are the plans?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest
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Are you guysmaking t-shirts???

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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>Are you guysmaking t-shirts???
>
>Karen

I'm making socks for Beachfest.

    bonniev@acadia.net

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Tony Harminc wrote:

> On 25 Feb 98 at 16:11, Alyce Cresap  wrote:
>
> > It obviously is intended
> > to deceive--the big box, the big label (14! strips), etc. It is for the
> > unwary shopper who will think that s/he's paying about the same for 2.1
> > oz. and s/he would for a pound. There is no plastic window so you can

I paid $1.99 for a pound of thick sliced bacon last week (store brand).
There are 14 slices in the package.

> Btw, did you see that software publishers won a lawsuit in California
> that had claimed they were violating deceptive packaging regulations
> because the diskettes/CDROMs were much smaller than the boxes they
> were packaged in ?

Lord, what people will sue over.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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>Which weighs more: 5 pieces of bacon or 5 pieces of sushi?
>
>Karen

        That all depends.  Raw, or cooked?

J 8-) W

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              WILLIAMS" at Feb 27, 98 06:06:03 pm

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
> >Which weighs more: 5 pieces of bacon or 5 pieces of sushi?
> >
> >Karen
>
>         That all depends.  Raw, or cooked?
>
> J 8-) W

There are 5 ways to cook food in Japanese: deep-fried, pan-fried,
steamed, boiled, and raw.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> I paid $1.99 for a pound of thick sliced bacon last week (store brand).
> There are 14 slices in the package.

Well, that gives us an idea of how small the Oscar Mayer slices must be
then, if 14 slices = 1 pound, and also 2.1 ounces.

alyce

--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
Subject:      Beachfest bound
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I just purchased my plane ticket:
     Arrive RDU Wed., Mar 25, 5:50 PM
     Depart RDU Sun., Mar 29, 4:24 PM
          (stopover in ORD from 5:40 to 6:50 PM on Mar 29)

The rest of my itinerary is sort of open.  I plan on renting a car.

I haven't yet made my Atlantis Lodge reservations, but will probably do so
tomorrow.  I'm planning on staying there the 27th and 28th, but would like
to find Wordsler accomodations, if possible, for the 25th and possibly for
the 26th as well.

Ken Miller
Director of Circumambulation
Phileas Fogg School of Recreational Studies

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      well, pooh!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.
ndh

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Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
> Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
> around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.

I'm here. But because I have no life, I also have nothing to say. And I
simply cannot play another game of FreeCell, so good night--I'm going to
go to read something.

alyce

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              98 08:12:47 pm

Bookrat said:
> I just purchased my plane ticket:

Were you able to go through a consolidator?

> The rest of my itinerary is sort of open.  I plan on renting a car.

I recommend Enterprise.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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              Feb 27, 98 10:16:03 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
> around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.

I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
the library.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
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>Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
>around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.
>ndh

I was thinking of making a stab at getting a life tonight, but now that I'm
halfway-adjusted to day shift, it's too late tonight.  So I'm just sitting
here with some Sierra Nevada Bigfoot, listening to Dan Bern and looking at
my Torondezvous photo album.

This last week was sort of crazy for me, and there were a couple of days
when I frankly was not operating on all cylinders.  Larry Clark told me
that after a couple of months, I wouldn't believe how much better I'd feel
on day shift.  'T'ain't happened yet.  I had last Friday off, and I stayed
in bed till noon.  Now *that* felt great.

Ken Miller
Department of Vivification

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
> the library.

Graham and I have been playing pool.

-aht

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> that after a couple of months, I wouldn't believe how much better I'd feel
> on day shift.  'T'ain't happened yet.  I had last Friday off, and I stayed
> in bed till noon.  Now *that* felt great.

You had better rethink this dayshift plan. You might just be one of those
people whose internal clock is attuned to the night-time hours, in which
case you will never get used to it, no matter how hard you try.

-aht

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>> I just purchased my plane ticket:
>
>Were you able to go through a consolidator?

>Karen

I waited too late.  It seemed that every source I tried just consulted
SAABRE.  There was no point in paying the middleman.

(Note to Nipper: it is not too early to begin thinking about SlugFest dates.)

Ken Miller
Department of Early Warning

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
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              98 09:13:42 pm

Bookrat said:
> I waited too late.  It seemed that every source I tried just consulted
> SAABRE.  There was no point in paying the middleman.

This is way strange. (IME.) But I did notice that fares never went as
low as I expected them to.

That's why I totalled my car:  I needed a good excuse to get out of
spending time with Bonnie.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> That's why I totalled my car:  I needed a good excuse to get out of
> spending time with Bonnie.

Note to Karen: "Recluse" means she doesn't wish to be visited by anyone.
You do not need an excuse to avoid visiting a recluse.

-aht

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              at Feb 27, 98 11:17:38 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > That's why I totalled my car:  I needed a good excuse to get out of
> > spending time with Bonnie.
>
> Note to Karen: "Recluse" means she doesn't wish to be visited by anyone.
> You do not need an excuse to avoid visiting a recluse.

Well, shoot! If only you'd told me this before, I'd still have my
Honda!!!

She invited everyone on the list to go play on the beach with her. I
don't think that's very reclusive.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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              at Feb 27, 98 11:08:49 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
> > the library.
>
> Graham and I have been playing pool.

That's because you have a car already.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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>You had better rethink this dayshift plan. You might just be one of those
>people whose internal clock is attuned to the night-time hours, in which
>case you will never get used to it, no matter how hard you try.
>
>-aht

NFS.  (N* F******...well, you get the idea.)

What's been happening recently is that I manage to get to bed by
10:30-11:00 at night, go to sleep fairly quickly--and then wake up at 4:00
AM.  I turn on the radio and drift off at about 6:00 AM--shortly before my
first round of alarms goes off.  Much liefer would I follow Richard
Armour's advice:

     Day breaks, it's said,
     When night is ended.
     I lie in bed
     Until it's mended.

Nonetheless, getting up in time for day shift is something I *can* do, and
intend to do ("I meant what I said and I said what I meant"--Horton T.
Elephant).

But it's not the shift I would choose if I had a choice.  Ah, well--as
Scott Adams says, if people loved work, they'd do it for free.

Ken Miller
Bunthorne School of Ergasiphobia

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: well, pooh!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <v03010d04b11d4dbbe06c@[206.61.226.88]> from "Bookrat" at Feb 27,
              98 09:35:52 pm

Bookrat said:
> What's been happening recently is that I manage to get to bed by
> 10:30-11:00 at night, go to sleep fairly quickly--and then wake up at 4:00
> AM.

This is what all the women on alt.support.menopause say! For years I
woke up around 2:30AM.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Sushi and Pest Fest
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At 08:04 28.02.98 +0900, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Different subject:  I got mail from Norman this morning asking about the
>latest Pest Fest plans.  He wants to buy his ticket to Budapest soon.
>What are the plans?

I have to arrive in Debrecen on July 4 (or uncomfortly early in the morning
of July 5) and probably can't leave until July 10. This makes it possible
to choose either weekend. I have also started to colect some information on
the boattrip between Vienna and Budapest but I wouldn't be surprised if
that can be done just as easily from somewhere overseas via the net or a
good travel agent.

espen

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At 14:57 27.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Are you guysmaking t-shirts???

We should. Who?

espen

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On 27 Feb 98 at 23:24, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> I'm here. But because I have no life, I also have nothing to
> say. And I

Nothing to say? Not even a comment on the Times story about
Bertelsmann's impending entry into the world of on-line
bookselling?

    mem

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Shifts and Lives and Reclusivity and Travel
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Bookrat:
>  Larry Clark told me
>that after a couple of months, I wouldn't believe how much better I'd feel
>on day shift.  'T'ain't happened yet.  I had last Friday off, and I stayed
>in bed till noon.  Now *that* felt great.

Wouldn't whether one feels better on day shift depend on his biorhythms or
whatever?  I know people who are much happier working at night.  I'm not
among them, but I can understand the <different strokes>.

abht:
>> I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
>> the library.
>
>Graham and I have been playing pool.

I'm here now, but I wasn't here earlier because I was at a play.  But it
wasn't Friday night here anyway, so I guess that doesn't count.  And now
those of you who were here are not here anymore.

abht:
>You had better rethink this dayshift plan. You might just be one of those
>people whose internal clock is attuned to the night-time hours, in which
>case you will never get used to it, no matter how hard you try.

I think that's what I was trying to say above.

Karen:
>She invited everyone on the list to go play on the beach with her. I
>don't think that's very reclusive.

I think she gave up reclusiveness when she moved to Maine.  Something in
the air there changed her.

Speaking of fares, train fares in Japan are ridiculously expensive -- unless
you're a tourist and can use a Japan Rail Pass -- the difference between
the costs of a Japan Rail Pass and regular train fares is gigantic --
nothing like Eurailpasses.  A 1-week JRP costs just over 28,000 yen.  My
train tickets to Nagasaki and Beppu are going to cost about 65,000 yen.
Bottom line:  y'all should all visit Japan.  Travel here is cheap if you're
a tourist.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Today's choice: blue
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Marianne went and had her nose pierced today and is now bleaching her hair
as part of the process of dying it blue. Gifs are collected along the way.

espen

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: consumer bads--new invention
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
> >
> > I paid $1.99 for a pound of thick sliced bacon last week (store brand).
> > There are 14 slices in the package.
>
> Well, that gives us an idea of how small the Oscar Mayer slices must be
> then, if 14 slices = 1 pound, and also 2.1 ounces.

Or how much shrinkage I can expect from my bacon.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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>Or how much shrinkage I can expect from my bacon.
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

I have always found that a pig washed in Woolite shrinks much less than one
laved with harsh laundry detergents.

73s
Martha

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>Wish I still had my Words-L bumpersticker
>
>        Yea, me too.
>
>JMW

Somebody give me the camera-ready copy. Everyone promise not to hassle me
about niggley details. Someone assure me the purchase of a minimum
economical run - about 50. Then, folks, I'll ask Lyn and Enid to print
them. Cost? Beats me. I suppose a couple of bucks each, but that's a WAG.
Never actually bought a bumper sticker.

73s
Jim

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> I just purchased my plane ticket:
>      Arrive RDU Wed., Mar 25, 5:50 PM
>      Depart RDU Sun., Mar 29, 4:24 PM
>           (stopover in ORD from 5:40 to 6:50 PM on Mar 29)


Alright!! But you are leaving the day of Philip Ayn's celebration on the
beach!

Do you want to go on the Carolina Princess half day fishing cruise? We
have to catch our dinner some nights.

Betty

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Subject:      Richard
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I don't know which day (or week?) you celebrate your birthday but I hope
it is a happy one. Or do you just celebrate every four years? Your place
is all cleaned up from the wedding-have a party for yourself.

And happy day to you tomorrow, Sho.

Betty

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Bookrat said:
> > I just purchased my plane ticket:
>
> Were you able to go through a consolidator?
>
> > The rest of my itinerary is sort of open.  I plan on renting a car.
>
> I recommend Enterprise.

He said a car, not a spaceship.

Betty

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
> around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.

I was sleeping through a movie.

Betty

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Nancy Harwood said:
> > Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
> > around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.
>
> I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
> the library.

What is the Best Buy?

Betty

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
Subject:      A Young Fogey for The American Scholar
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Hey, Bradrich, today's New York Times (Arts & Ideas, B9) has a
piece on Anne Fadiman, Clifton's daughter and the new editor
of The American Scholar.  Joseph Epstein declined to be
interviewed for the article, which says Fadiman "proudly
recalls Mr. Epstein calling her a 'young fogey' during one of
their first conversations."

About his dismissal, it says, "An unabashed cultural
conservative, Mr. Epstein repeatedly ran afoul of such
liberal critics as Joyce Carol Oates, who publicly called
for his dismissal in 1991 after he wrote an essay for The
Hudson Journal poking fun at feminism."

Myles

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Sushi and Pest Fest
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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980228082128.008eb270@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Feb 28, 98 08:21:28 am

=
= I have to arrive in Debrecen on July 4 (or uncomfortly early in the morning
= of July 5) and probably can't leave until July 10. This makes it possible
= to choose either weekend. I have also started to colect some information on
=
= espen

I am starting to solidify my other plans as well.  We're going to take a
road trip, and if possible I'd like to tack this on the end.  We'll be
in northern Italy for a couple of days, and have plans to leave there
no later than the 14th of June.  From there we're going to Greece for
some unspecified period, and then driving back through Bulgaria (where we
may stay for a few days), Romania, Hungary etc.

What this means is that in terms of vacation days, I really want to do
wordsler stuff before July 4, and that if I need to leave the car
unattended for a day or two, it should be in Vienna and not Budapest.
This is all, of course assuming what we are going to do is a trip on the
Danube between Vienna and Budapest or vice-versa (I could leave the car in
Vienna, take the train to Budapest and take the boat back to Vienna).

We'll also have friends travelling with us, and I have not yet determined
whether or not they will be joining us on our adventure.

steph

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      i always thought so (fwd)
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>This kinda joke alwasy makes me wonder just who has the time to come up
>with this stuff...
>
1) Start with the given:
                       CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR

2) Change all U's to V's (which is proper Latin anyway):
                       CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR

3) Extract all Roman Numerals:
                      C V    V  L    D I    V

4) Convert into Arabic values:
                   100  5    5  50 500 1    5

5) Add all the numbers:
                    100 + 5 + 5 + 50 + 500 + 1 + 5 =  666

                      666

            Thus, Barney is Satan.






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At 06:10 AM 2/28/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I don't know which day (or week?) you celebrate your birthday but I hope
>it is a happy one. Or do you just celebrate every four years? Your place
>is all cleaned up from the wedding-have a party for yourself.
>
>And happy day to you tomorrow, Sho.
>
>Betty
>
Thank you. I am contemplating crab cakes at Jake's.

Sho, drooling...

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: well, pooh!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> Nothing to say? Not even a comment on the Times story about
> Bertelsmann's impending entry into the world of on-line
> bookselling?

Not even that. Didn't think it would be of much interest to Wordslers.
I will contribute something, though. On Thursday I filled one car with
gas for $1.09. This morning I filled the Blazer at $1.04. (Same gas
station.)

alyce

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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> Or how much shrinkage I can expect from my bacon.

Yup, there definitely is shrinkage. But for your bacon and the microwave
bacon to be anywhere near the same price per edible ounce, your bacon
would have to shrink by about 85%. I don't believe that happens. Wish I
had a kitchen scale. I'd do the experiment.

alyce

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Subject:      Re: A Young Fogey for The American Scholar
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              <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>

On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:36:55 -0500 Myles Callum said:
>Hey, Bradrich, today's New York Times (Arts & Ideas, B9) has a
>piece on Anne Fadiman, Clifton's daughter and the new editor
>of The American Scholar.  Joseph Epstein declined to be
>interviewed for the article, which says Fadiman "proudly
>recalls Mr. Epstein calling her a 'young fogey' during one of
>their first conversations."
>
>About his dismissal, it says, "An unabashed cultural
>conservative, Mr. Epstein repeatedly ran afoul of such
>liberal critics as Joyce Carol Oates, who publicly called
>for his dismissal in 1991 after he wrote an essay for The
>Hudson Journal poking fun at feminism."

 Thanks for this pointer.  I have read the piece on the Web.  "Aristides"
 is misspelled not once, but twice.  Frankly, I am shocked.

 I have great confidence in Ms Fadiman.  I had forgotten that she was
 one of the founding lights of that great humanistic magazine named
 -Civilization-.

 brad

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              from "Betty Clark" at Feb 28, 98 06:18:17 am

Betty Clark said:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
> > the library.
>
> What is the Best Buy?

As far as I know, this isn't <that kind> of CD. I'm just trying to
find out how bad Hyundais are. (The car Hank wants to sell me is a
Hyundai.)

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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Espen said:
>Marianne went and had her nose pierced today and is now bleaching her hair
>as part of the process of dying it blue. Gifs are collected along the way.
>
Does she have a spiked dog collar and a leather jacket with spikes yet?  I
can't remember whether my editor got those before or after having her nose
pierced -- I know it was while her hair was blue.  NB:  She's now in
college, doing excellent work, playing classical music several nights a
week with a group of friends (she plays oboe) and dating a very nice young
man who plays the cello.
ndh

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Richard and Shoshana
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Happy birthday to you both. My great uncle's birthday was Feb. 29, and
my grandmother's was March 1, so this was always a big period in our
family, as they had joint celebrations.

alyce

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
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>> I recommend Enterprise.
>
>He said a car, not a spaceship.
>Betty

Starship.
ndh

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>5) Add all the numbers:
>                    100 + 5 + 5 + 50 + 500 + 1 + 5 =  666
>
>                      666
>
>            Thus, Barney is Satan.

I was surprised the other night when I called my cousin in Waco (that
stronghold of Baptist education) and realized that the prefix to her
telephone number was 666.
ndh
>

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      The fifth element
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I have finally bought this one. I like it very much but the video has been
cut for video format and I prefer letterbox format when necessary. I also
find that there are quite a few scenes that lose a lot in the small size of
a TV screen so I thing I will borrow a video projector from my work and
project it on my neighbours wall or something.

Marianne's blue stripes turned out bluish green since so much of her red
hair colour survived the bleaching.

espen

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: The fifth element
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              Ore" at Feb 28, 98 07:17:36 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> Marianne's blue stripes turned out bluish green since so much of her red
> hair colour survived the bleaching.

I can't believe she pierced her nose.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Feb 28 11:20:04 1998
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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Today's choice: blue
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At 11:46 28.02.98 -0500, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>Espen said:
>>Marianne went and had her nose pierced today and is now bleaching her hair
>>as part of the process of dying it blue. Gifs are collected along the way.
>>
>Does she have a spiked dog collar and a leather jacket with spikes yet?  I

No, but she is still serious about saving up for a tattoo.

espen

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At 10:17 28.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> Marianne's blue stripes turned out bluish green since so much of her red
>> hair colour survived the bleaching.
>
>I can't believe she pierced her nose.

I'll place the gifs on the Net.

espen

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Today's choice: blue
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              Ore" at Feb 28, 98 07:21:10 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> No, but she is still serious about saving up for a tattoo.

What kind of tattoo does she want?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Feb 28 11:23:28 1998
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Subject:      Re: Today's choice: blue
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At 10:20 28.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> No, but she is still serious about saving up for a tattoo.
>
>What kind of tattoo does she want?

She is talking about a read heart with a black border either on a shoulder
blade or high up on a breast.

espen

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Today's choice: blue
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Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> She is talking about a read heart with a black border either on a shoulder
> blade or high up on a breast.

I admire the relative calm with which you are coping with all this. I am
such an old fart, I don't think I could do it.

alyce

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Feb 28 11:39:07 1998
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At 13:26 28.02.98 -0500, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>Espen S. Ore wrote:
>>
>> She is talking about a read heart with a black border either on a shoulder
>> blade or high up on a breast.
>
>I admire the relative calm with which you are coping with all this. I am
>such an old fart, I don't think I could do it.

The hair doesn't bother me at all. The piercing is not much of a problem if
she can keep it clean and not get a cold for the first month or so - today
the snow is staying. With the tattoo it is so expencive for her that with
her usual spending of her allowance and what she earns on extra jobs there
will still be some time before she can afford it ...

espen

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      MIIS Test?
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Hi All-

I'm going to interview for a QA position on Tuesday. The head hunter has
informed me that I will have to take two tests. The Prandex (Prendex?) and
the MIIS test.

She explained what the first one was but, has no information on the second
one. I've used my new search site, www.nlsearch.com and found a reference
to it from someone in HR on a related listserv. No one on that list could
answer her question.

Apparently the test has something to do with testing problem solving skills
in a computer related field. My troubleshooting skills are always highly
regarded so, I'm not too worried about it but, I'd like to know more about
the test.

Anyone heard of it? Anyone take it?

Oh, one more tidbit. The woman on the listserv mentioned something about the
test also being called a MIIF test.

Back to searching...

lisa

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Alyce said:
>I'm here. But because I have no life, I also have nothing to say. And I
>simply cannot play another game of FreeCell, so good night--I'm going to
>go to read something.
>
I didn't really have anything to say, either -- just wanted to listen, I
guess.  I had played innumerable games of Lode Runner and tried Power Pete
for the first time in six weeks, only to find that I don't really remember
how to play it well. I wish I had Boggle for Mac -- I enjoy my Boggle game
at the office.
ndh (who will have something to read after she returns her overdue library
books this afternoon)

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Karen said:
>I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
>the library.
>
How bad did it say a Hyundai was?
ndh

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@POBOX.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      The True Meanings of Asian Names (fwd)
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Forwarded message:
Funny stuff


> The True Meanings of Asian Names
>
>
>  Wa Shing Kah---------------- Cleaning an automobile
>  Wai So Dim------------------ Are you trying to save electricity?
>  Wai U Shao Ting------------- There is no reason to raise your voice
>  Ai Bang Mai Ne-------------- I bumped into the coffee table
>  Chin Tu Fat----------------- You need a face lift
>  Dung On Mai Shu------------- I stepped in #$%*
>  Dum Gai--------------------- A stupid person
>  Gun Pao Der----------------- An ancient Chinese invention
>  Hu Flung Dung--------------- Which one of you fertilized the field?
>  Hu Yu Hai Ding-------------  We have reason to believe you are
>                               harboring  a fugutive
>  Jan Ne Ka Sun--------------- A former late night talk show host
>  Kum Hia--------------------- Approach me
>  Lao Ze Sho------------------ Gilligan's Island
>  Lao Zi---------------------- Not very good
>  Lin Ching------------------- An illegal execution
>  Moon Lan Ding--------------- A great achievement of the American space
>                               program
>  Ne Ahn---------------------- A lighting fix
>
>

later

alec


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Alec D. Plotkin
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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Foodstuff
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For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children
would probably kill me if I tried to serve this for them so they will get
hamburgers but they don't know what they miss.

espen

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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children

Nothing personal, but over the years you have posted an inordinate number
of messages dealing with the purchase, preparation, and consumption of
animal heads. I'm a little bit worried.

-aht

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At 14:28 28.02.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children
>
>Nothing personal, but over the years you have posted an inordinate number
>of messages dealing with the purchase, preparation, and consumption of
>animal heads. I'm a little bit worried.

We also eat what is called "cod's tongues" which aren't really that but
some muscles from down the cod's throat. I think you should be more worried
when I start circling into the human species b y e.g. eating monkey's heads.

espen

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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> some muscles from down the cod's throat. I think you should be more worried

Some of the restaurants on the Bay that buy directly from the boats
feature a special dish called "snapper throats." I've never wanted to
know why we would consider a red snapper's throat desirable to consume.
But now my curiosity is piqued.

-aht

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At 14:28 28.02.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children
>
>Nothing personal, but over the years you have posted an inordinate number
>of messages dealing with the purchase, preparation, and consumption of
>animal heads. I'm a little bit worried.

Did I mention that this head of a cod and the liver - which altogether is
more than enough food for dinner for an adult - cost less than a dollar?

espen

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And I forgot to mention, when my mother bought a similar combination in
Oslo some weeks ago she had to pay more than five dollars, so Bergen is
still better in some ways.

espen

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>Did I mention that this head of a cod and the liver - which altogether is
>more than enough food for dinner for an adult - cost less than a dollar?
>
>espen

I had always believed one should effect any possible economy. No more.

73s
Jim

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>And I forgot to mention, when my mother bought a similar combination in
>Oslo some weeks ago she had to pay more than five dollars, so Bergen is
>still better in some ways.
>
>espen

I still tend to doubt this is the sort of thing of which successful tourist
brochures are made.

73s
Jim

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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:

> >Or how much shrinkage I can expect from my bacon.
> >
> >   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>
> I have always found that a pig washed in Woolite shrinks much less than one
> laved with harsh laundry detergents.

And hold their shape better & are less likely to fade...

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> I don't know which day (or week?) you celebrate your birthday but I hope
> it is a happy one. Or do you just celebrate every four years? Your place
> is all cleaned up from the wedding-have a party for yourself.
>
> And happy day to you tomorrow, Sho.

Birthday wishes from me, too!

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
     UNC-Chapel Hill

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At 15:20 28.02.98 -0600, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
>>And I forgot to mention, when my mother bought a similar combination in
>>Oslo some weeks ago she had to pay more than five dollars, so Bergen is
>>still better in some ways.
>>
>>espen
>
>I still tend to doubt this is the sort of thing of which successful tourist
>brochures are made.
>

Inside Norway this is the sort of thong from which successful tourist
brochures are made.

espen

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On 28 Feb 98 at 14:28, Anne H Toal wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> > For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children
>
> Nothing personal, but over the years you have posted an inordinate number
> of messages dealing with the purchase, preparation, and consumption of
> animal heads. I'm a little bit worried.

Not meaning to spoil Espen's reputation, but I have to report
that he seemed quite enthusiastic about the hamburger and
fries we each ordered at a bar in the Newark airport.

(Not that there was a lot of choice . . . )

Now I'm off to check out the cuisine at scenic Exit 12.

Myles

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Betty:
>What is the Best Buy?

I don't know what CR says, but the best buy is always a Honda Civic EX
5-sp.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Happy bdays, Richard and Sho.  And Happy March, everybody.  I am not
pleased with March so far, I must admit as I watch the snow swirl outside.
Have I mentioned before that winter sux?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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At 21:25 28/02/98 +0100, you wrote:
>For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver.
If your cod liver is at all squeaky we have some oil.

Maggy

 My children
>would probably kill me if I tried to serve this for them so they will get
>hamburgers but they don't know what they miss.
>
>espen
>
>

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Foodstuff
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At 21:40 28/02/98 +0100, you wrote:

>Did I mention that this head of a cod and the liver - which altogether is
>more than enough food for dinner for an adult - cost less than a dollar?
>
>espen
>
>
You all have started talking about fish just at the same time as Geoff is
drooling over Maine lobster and remembering how long it is since he had
any. [he saw a reference to them in a "Covent Garden Fish Cookery" book in
the shop.]

Maggy

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      thought for Espen
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I saw this just now on another list -- somehow it seemed appropriate. :-)

APHORISMS FOR THE 90'S....
===========================

*All that glitters is not...necessarily something you want your
daughter sticking through a hole in her nose.

ndh

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Foodstuff
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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Myles Callum wrote:
> Not meaning to spoil Espen's reputation, but I have to report
> that he seemed quite enthusiastic about the hamburger and
> fries we each ordered at a bar in the Newark airport.

And we had ice cream and sodas in Oslo.

Betty

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Happy March
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>Happy bdays, Richard and Sho.  And Happy March, everybody.  I am not
>pleased with March so far, I must admit as I watch the snow swirl outside.
>Have I mentioned before that winter sux?=
> -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

Yes, happy birthdays, and happy March.  It thinks it's spring here,
although it was a bit cloudy today.  The redbuds and tulip trees are
blooming like crazy, and there are flowers on the lantana bushes.
ndh

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From: Elaine Brennan <elaine@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: well, pooh!
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In-Reply-To:  <199802281419.GAA22225@mail5.netcom.com> from "Betty Clark" at
              Feb 28, 98 06:17:45 am

Betty Clark said:
>
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
> > Not that this hasn't been mentioned before, but it's certainly no fun
> > around here on a Friday night when everybody else is out having a life.
>
> I was sleeping through a movie.
>
I went and hung out at a local bar/restaurant, which is a fine place
for people-watching.  there's clearly a whole realm of pick-up behavior
that I've managed to be totally oblivious to in the past ...

and I think on the whole I'd prefer to remain oblivious!  but it turned
out to be totally free entertainment, since I ended up paying for neither
my dinner or my drinks, and today I got up early enough to do more work
on changing my place from a storage cubicle into a place where there are
places to sit (not covered with boxes), things to do and read (and not
stuck in boxes), and stuff hung on walls (you get the picture).  too bad
I now start travelling again ... but I'm looking forward to seeing people
I know as well.

--Elaine
elaine@netcom.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: well, pooh!
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In-Reply-To:  <l03102802b11e09d60992@[207.221.66.120]> from "Nancy Harwood" at
              Feb 28, 98 01:37:30 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> Karen said:
> >I'm here. I'm reading a Consumer Reports CD on cars that I got from
> >the library.
> >
> How bad did it say a Hyundai was?

It's on their list of used cars to avoid. There are two sets of
problems w/ Hyundais:  bad repair records and bad crash test results.
I'm not concerned too much about the former, since I have Hank. But
the second is a real concern.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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Subject:      Re: Foodstuff
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In-Reply-To:  <l03110746b11ddcbe8e5e@[209.163.1.4]> from "Jim FarrellCTHD" at
              Feb 28, 98 03:20:01 pm

Jim FarrellCTHD said:
> >And I forgot to mention, when my mother bought a similar combination in
> >Oslo some weeks ago she had to pay more than five dollars, so Bergen is
> >still better in some ways.
> >
> >espen
>
> I still tend to doubt this is the sort of thing of which successful tourist
> brochures are made.

Not American tourist brochures, but maybe Norwegian tourist brochures...

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      more repulsive fish thingies
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

The Scots eat a hard crumbly orange mass called "salmon roe." Apparently
it is fried, like all other Scottish food.

-aht

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: well, pooh!
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In-Reply-To:  <199803010000.QAA15535@netcom13.netcom.com> from "Elaine Brennan"
              at Feb 28, 98 04:00:10 pm

Elaine Brennan said:
> I now start travelling again ... but I'm looking forward to seeing people
> I know as well.

There's a Celtic festival in San Francisco next weekend, btw.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Larry Clark <klmiller@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: well, pooh!
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Bookrat wrote:
>
> This last week was sort of crazy for me, and there were a couple of days
> when I frankly was not operating on all cylinders.  Larry Clark told me
> that after a couple of months, I wouldn't believe how much better I'd feel
> on day shift.  'T'ain't happened yet.
>
> Ken Miller
> Department of Vivification
>

That's 'cause I thought you had been a *real* night shift worker and went
to work around midnight.


Larry

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's choice: blue
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> No, but she is still serious about saving up for a tattoo.

        See, Jim?  This example of Scandanavian thrift is why there
        aren't any Norwegian rednecks.

JMW

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      For Natalie and Other Dog-Lovers
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

http://www.dog-play.com

Makes me want to get a dog.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Speaking of P. Cornwell
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I forgot to report that I went on and bought the hornet book in NZ and
was thinking y'all were wrong about how bad it was as I happily got into
it and was becoming infatuated with Andy Brazil.  But PC seems to have
lost her marbles later in the book.  When it got to the part about the
cat getting mystic signals from the god-bldg and passing them along through
cat code, I started catching on that this was indeed not our old Cornwell.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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In-Reply-To:  <199803010232.LAA06531@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Mar
              1, 98 11:43:29 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> lost her marbles later in the book.  When it got to the part about the
> cat getting mystic signals from the god-bldg and passing them along through
> cat code, I started catching on that this was indeed not our old Cornwell.

What is the name of this book again?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Raleigh
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Something else I forgot to report was that I had pleasant intercourse in
a tiny laundry room of a small motel in Roturua, NZ, with an engineer who
lives in Raleigh, NC, but whose job is in California.  Lots of WLMs in the
encounter, though he hasn't watched Spanish instruction on tv.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Eating and Weather
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abht:
>know why we would consider a red snapper's throat desirable to consume.

Why are any bodily parts of any creatures considered desirable to consume?
Those of you who have read the hornet book might think about this:  would
you rather consume parts of Seth as a rump roast or would you rather nibble
bits of his throat?

ndh:
>Yes, happy birthdays, and happy March.  It thinks it's spring here,
>although it was a bit cloudy today.  The redbuds and tulip trees are
>blooming like crazy, and there are flowers on the lantana bushes.

The snow is still pouring down here.  <sigh>.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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              1, 98 12:03:11 pm

Natalie Maynor said:
> The snow is still pouring down here.  <sigh>.

It's a good thing you decided to come back after a year, I think.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Happy March
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Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
>  It thinks it's spring here,
> although it was a bit cloudy today.  The redbuds and tulip trees are
> blooming like crazy, and there are flowers on the lantana bushes.

Spring here, too. Today the red-winged blackbirds returned, two months
early. The forsythia is coming, six weeks early. In St. Louis, my sister
reports that all her bulb flowers are ready to burst, again six weeks
early. This is not <right>.

alyce

--
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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> you rather consume parts of Seth as a rump roast or would you rather nibble
> bits of his throat?

If Seth is a Black Angus steer, the rump roast.

-aht

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Nancy Harwood wrote:
> >
> >  It thinks it's spring here,
> > although it was a bit cloudy today.  The redbuds and tulip trees are
> > blooming like crazy, and there are flowers on the lantana bushes.
>
> Spring here, too. Today the red-winged blackbirds returned, two months
> early. The forsythia is coming, six weeks early. In St. Louis, my sister
> reports that all her bulb flowers are ready to burst, again six weeks
> early. This is not <right>.

One of my tulips is blooming. I haven't planted the rest.

Betty

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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              <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>

 Bookrat:
>> I just purchased my plane ticket:
>>      Arrive RDU Wed., Mar 25, 5:50 PM
>>      Depart RDU Sun., Mar 29, 4:24 PM
>>           (stopover in ORD from 5:40 to 6:50 PM on Mar 29)

 Betty Clark:
>Alright!! But you are leaving the day of Philip Ahn's celebration on the
>beach!

 Is this not also Final Four Weekend?

 BRAD: Daddy, I think I might fly to North Carolina that weekend.
 LRG:  Son, in your condition, you wouldn't know where you were when
       you got there.

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
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              Ore" at Feb 28, 98 08:22:42 am

Espen S. Ore:
=
= At 14:57 27.02.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= >Are you guysmaking t-shirts???
=
= We should. Who?
=

I've taken a first stab at a t-shirt design.
Those who might get one should let me know what they think.
I am quite open to suggestions, criticism and major design changes.
You can see it at <http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pestfest1.pdf>
I aplogize for the pdf format, but I couldn't figure out how to
change the Illustrator file into a .gif or .jpg

steph

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Brad Grissom wrote

>I have great confidence in Ms Fadiman.  I had forgotten that she was
>one of the founding lights of that great humanistic magazine named
> -Civilization-.

  I don't think that't the same Fadiman. The magazine hadn't been named yet, anyway, and also there were quite a few pages that were simply blank - as though nobody had yet wanted to write anything on them! That's the impression I got, anyway - I don't know about you. Maybe somebody else knows where these pages went?

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 17:06 28.02.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>
>Not meaning to spoil Espen's reputation, but I have to report
>that he seemed quite enthusiastic about the hamburger and
>fries we each ordered at a bar in the Newark airport.

Cheeseburger and fries and draft beer.

espen

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At 15:49 28.02.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Myles Callum wrote:
>> Not meaning to spoil Espen's reputation, but I have to report
>> that he seemed quite enthusiastic about the hamburger and
>> fries we each ordered at a bar in the Newark airport.
>
>And we had ice cream and sodas in Oslo.

And in Oslo you met little Aadne who was very impressed when he heard that
his cousin in Bergen had dyed her hair green. Since this greenness didn't
really show up much I was afraid he would be disappointed when we go to
Oslo for my mother's 70 years birthday. Now, with a piece of jewelry in her
nose and bluish green stripes in the hair I think she will still be worth
mentioning in a brag session in his kindergarten.

espen
 --
Espen S. Ore
Humanities Information Technologies Centre, University of Bergen
Espen.Ore@hit.uib.no         Tel: +47 55582865 Fax: +47 55589470

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At 17:49 28.02.98 -0500, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>I saw this just now on another list -- somehow it seemed appropriate. :-)
>
>APHORISMS FOR THE 90'S....
>===========================
>
>*All that glitters is not...necessarily something you want your
>daughter sticking through a hole in her nose.

Actually, if she doesn't get an infection it looks kind of neat.

espen

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At 18:47 28.02.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>The Scots eat a hard crumbly orange mass called "salmon roe." Apparently
>it is fried, like all other Scottish food.

Salmon roe is best raw. In Norway boiled cod roe is an important foodstuff.

espen

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At 12:03 01.03.98 +0900, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>The snow is still pouring down here.  <sigh>.
>

And here.

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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>I've taken a first stab at a t-shirt design.
>Those who might get one should let me know what they think.
>I am quite open to suggestions, criticism and major design changes.
>You can see it at <http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pestfest1.pdf>
>I aplogize for the pdf format, but I couldn't figure out how to
>change the Illustrator file into a .gif or .jpg

I will take a look tomorrow when I have a more solid net connection.

espen

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At 09:11 01.03.98 +0100, steph wrote:
>
>I've taken a first stab at a t-shirt design.
>Those who might get one should let me know what they think.
>I am quite open to suggestions, criticism and major design changes.
>You can see it at <http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pestfest1.pdf>
>I aplogize for the pdf format, but I couldn't figure out how to
>change the Illustrator file into a .gif or .jpg

I couldn't wait so I even downloaded an Acrobat viewer to look at it. This
looks very good. The only thing I want to add is the ugga.ugga mail
address. (And is there some kind of symbol/logo we could use to
differentiate Vienna and Budapest?)

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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Yesterday I not only bought my cod's head and liver I also bought fresh
(cooked) shrimps and fresh uncooked mussels. Marianne is a great fan of
mussels (after I have cooked them) and so am I and the shrimps were for
Torbjorn and me. We invited a classmate of Torbjorn to stay for dinner and
it turned out that he didn't know how to peel a shrimp! I was shocked. This
reminds me of a story still told in the Ore family of my father's first
meeting with an unpeeled shrimp sometime in the 1920ies. He ate it as it
was and didn't like shrimps for a long time afterwards.

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Opera
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I am just watching a tape with The Barber of Seville from a Dutch
performance directed by Dario Fo. This production was also shown in Bergen
some yeras ago at the annual music festival. At that time I got tickets for
the final rehearsal from a friend and it was my children's first real
exposure to opera. Marianne afterwards wanted very much to see Figaro's
Wedding so that she could see what happened afterwards.

espen

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Betty:
>One of my tulips is blooming. I haven't planted the rest.
>
You know, tulips are funny like that.
ndh

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
Subject:      Sunday Puzzle
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Last week's NPR puzzle:

"There are many words in English whose
past-tense forms are made by adding the letter
D, as in BELIEVED, STAPLED, CREATED, etc.
Notice that in all these examples the verb
itself ends in E. Can you think of a verb NOT
ending in E whose past-tense is formed by
adding just D? As far as we know, there's just
one common answer."

The answer:  HEAR becomes HEARD.

The new puzzle:

"This challenge comes from our old friend Merl
Reagle. There was a 1966 top-10 hit for the
Chiffons called "Sweet Talkin' Guy." Take the
11 letters in SWEET TALKIN' and rearrange them
to spell the name of a famous actress. Who is
she?"


Myles

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> And in Oslo you met little Aadne who was very impressed when he heard that
> his cousin in Bergen had dyed her hair green. Since this greenness didn't
> really show up much I was afraid he would be disappointed when we go to
> Oslo for my mother's 70 years birthday. Now, with a piece of jewelry in her
> nose and bluish green stripes in the hair I think she will still be worth
> mentioning in a brag session in his kindergarten.

Definitely. What does her brother think of all this hair/body art? Has he
pierced anything?

Betty

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 17:49 28.02.98 -0500, Nancy Harwood wrote:
> >I saw this just now on another list -- somehow it seemed appropriate. :-)
> >
> >APHORISMS FOR THE 90'S....
> >===========================
> >
> >*All that glitters is not...necessarily something you want your
> >daughter sticking through a hole in her nose.
>
> Actually, if she doesn't get an infection it looks kind of neat.

The worrisome ones seem to be the upper part of the ear that is mostly
cartilage. Sometimes they have to cut the ear away. It turns black and
doesn't heal. People have to be very cautious of those.

Betty

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At 06:54 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> And in Oslo you met little Aadne who was very impressed when he heard that
>> his cousin in Bergen had dyed her hair green. Since this greenness didn't
>> really show up much I was afraid he would be disappointed when we go to
>> Oslo for my mother's 70 years birthday. Now, with a piece of jewelry in her
>> nose and bluish green stripes in the hair I think she will still be worth
>> mentioning in a brag session in his kindergarten.
>
>Definitely. What does her brother think of all this hair/body art? Has he
>pierced anything?

No, he hasn't. But he is into wearing pants that sag somewhere between his
knees.

espen

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At 06:57 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> At 17:49 28.02.98 -0500, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>> >I saw this just now on another list -- somehow it seemed appropriate. :-)
>> >
>> >APHORISMS FOR THE 90'S....
>> >===========================
>> >
>> >*All that glitters is not...necessarily something you want your
>> >daughter sticking through a hole in her nose.
>>
>> Actually, if she doesn't get an infection it looks kind of neat.
>
>The worrisome ones seem to be the upper part of the ear that is mostly
>cartilage. Sometimes they have to cut the ear away. It turns black and
>doesn't heal. People have to be very cautious of those.

Thanks for the warning. So far she doesn't want to do those (and she also
doesn't want to do a navel piercing, much to my relief).

espen

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 06:54 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> >> Oslo for my mother's 70 years birthday. Now, with a piece of jewelry in her
> >> nose and bluish green stripes in the hair I think she will still be worth
> >> mentioning in a brag session in his kindergarten.
> >
> >Definitely. What does her brother think of all this hair/body art? Has he
> >pierced anything?
>
> No, he hasn't. But he is into wearing pants that sag somewhere between his
> knees.

Don't you just want to pull on them?!!

Betty

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 06:57 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> >The worrisome ones seem to be the upper part of the ear that is mostly
> >cartilage. Sometimes they have to cut the ear away. It turns black and
> >doesn't heal. People have to be very cautious of those.
>
> Thanks for the warning. So far she doesn't want to do those (and she also
> doesn't want to do a navel piercing, much to my relief).

Nipple? We see ALOT of those now. Men and women. Sometimes just one,
sometimes both. They show up on chest x-rays.

Betty

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At 07:15 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>> >Definitely. What does her brother think of all this hair/body art? Has he
>> >pierced anything?
>>
>> No, he hasn't. But he is into wearing pants that sag somewhere between his
>> knees.
>
>Don't you just want to pull on them?!!

Well, yes, but in some ways he is more vulnerable than Marianne. He seems
so grown up and tough but it is very much on the outside.

espen

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At 07:18 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> At 06:57 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>> >The worrisome ones seem to be the upper part of the ear that is mostly
>> >cartilage. Sometimes they have to cut the ear away. It turns black and
>> >doesn't heal. People have to be very cautious of those.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning. So far she doesn't want to do those (and she also
>> doesn't want to do a navel piercing, much to my relief).
>
>Nipple? We see ALOT of those now. Men and women. Sometimes just one,
>sometimes both. They show up on chest x-rays.

Not yet. She is still young enough to be a little shy of her adult looking
body. (God knows how long that will last.)

espen

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 07:15 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> >> >Definitely. What does her brother think of all this hair/body art? Has he
> >> >pierced anything?
> >>
> >> No, he hasn't. But he is into wearing pants that sag somewhere between his
> >> knees.
> >
> >Don't you just want to pull on them?!!
>
> Well, yes, but in some ways he is more vulnerable than Marianne. He seems
> so grown up and tough but it is very much on the outside.

Every parent can relate to this. Sometimes it is just painful watching
them grow up. Can you imagine the headaches Myles gave his parents?!
He turned out pretty okay.

Betty

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On  1 Mar 98 at 7:26, Betty Clark wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> > At 07:15 01.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
> > >> >Definitely. What does her brother think of all this hair/body art? Has he
> > >> >pierced anything?
> > >>
> > >> No, he hasn't. But he is into wearing pants that sag somewhere between his
> > >> knees.
> > >
> > >Don't you just want to pull on them?!!
> >
> > Well, yes, but in some ways he is more vulnerable than Marianne. He seems
> > so grown up and tough but it is very much on the outside.
>
> Every parent can relate to this. Sometimes it is just painful watching
> them grow up. Can you imagine the headaches Myles gave his parents?!
> He turned out pretty okay.

I asked Bonnie and Clyde if they were going to join you on the
fishing cruise, Betty.  No way! they said.  When I asked why, Clyde
the ichthyologist laughed and said he gets seasick, and that's
why he decided to specialize in freshwater fish.  We started out
in the Holiday Inn bar and then repaired to the restaurant, where
the buffet included a chef who fried me up some shrimp scampi,
scallops, scallions and some exotic sauce only chefs know about.
Surprisingly good for a Holiday Inn.  We gabbed for three hours.

Myles

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On  1 Mar 98 at 10:49, Myles Callum wrote:

> the buffet included a chef who fried me up some shrimp scampi,
                                 ^^^^^

Sauteed.

Myles

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:20:48 -0500 Arnold Wittinger said:
>Brad Grissom wrote
>
>>I have great confidence in Ms Fadiman.  I had forgotten that she was
>>one of the founding lights of that great humanistic magazine named
>> -Civilization-.
>
>  I don't think that't the same Fadiman. The magazine hadn't been named yet, an
>went?

Could someone tell me what the rest of Mr Wittinger's message says?
This is all of it that my system displays.

brad

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On  1 Mar 98 at 11:15, Brad Grissom wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:20:48 -0500 Arnold Wittinger said:
> >Brad Grissom wrote
> >
> >>I have great confidence in Ms Fadiman.  I had forgotten that she was
> >>one of the founding lights of that great humanistic magazine named
> >> -Civilization-.
> >
> >  I don't think that't the same Fadiman. The magazine hadn't been named yet, an
> >went?
>
> Could someone tell me what the rest of Mr Wittinger's message says?
> This is all of it that my system displays.

"I don't think that't the same Fadiman. The magazine hadn't
been named yet, and also there were quite a few pages that
were simply blank - as though nobody had yet wanted to
write anything on them! That's the impresson I got, anyway -
I don't know about you. Maybe somebody else knows where
these pages went?"

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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980301125726.007ef870@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Mar 1, 98 12:57:26 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> Cheeseburger and fries and draft beer.

International cuisine.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> > doesn't want to do a navel piercing, much to my relief).
>
> Nipple? We see ALOT of those now. Men and women. Sometimes just one,
> sometimes both. They show up on chest x-rays.

I had one for a while. Didn't like the way it changed the sensations in
the nipple, so I took it out and let it grow closed.

Navel piercings, I'm told, are one of the likeliest ones to give trouble
or to migrate out -- the constant rubbing of clothes seems to be the
culprit.

Verdant

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The liver and head were excellent but I have to watch the shop where I
boght them closely. It is a general food store, not a fish-only-store but
they have a separately manned fish counter so one would believe that they
know what they do. What they did do was to include with my liver a gall
bladder. Luckily I discovered that before I managed to destroy my whole
meal but this should not happen.

espen

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> The worrisome ones seem to be the upper part of the ear that is mostly
> cartilage. Sometimes they have to cut the ear away. It turns black and
> doesn't heal. People have to be very cautious of those.

I had one done on the upper back edge of my right ear with a piercing
gun (a Bad Idea) over a decade ago. It healed fine. I don't usually wear
jewelry in it -- hell, I don't usually wear jewelry, except my watch and
ring -- but when I do, it's still a perfectly good piercing.

Verdant

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Myles Callum said:
> The answer:  HEAR becomes HEARD.

The player was a linguist. Someone I know (of).

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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>> the buffet included a chef who fried me up some shrimp scampi,
>                                 ^^^^^
>
>Sauteed.

I have always wondered what the difference was, other than an approximate
30 per cent premium for fried things which the menu alleges are sauteed.

73s
Julia

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>> the buffet included a chef who fried me up some shrimp scampi,
>                                 ^^^^^
>
>Sauteed.

A menu entry:

Country fresh bacon from free-range hawgs, raised without hormones or
ecological damage, sauteed in in its own succulent juices.

Hold the mayo.

73s
Dunkin

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>I asked Bonnie and Clyde if they were going to join you on the
>fishing cruise, Betty.  No way! they said.  When I asked why, Clyde
>the ichthyologist laughed and said he gets seasick, and that's
>why he decided to specialize in freshwater fish.  We started out
>in the Holiday Inn bar and then repaired to the restaurant, where
>the buffet included a chef who sauteed me up some shrimp scampi,
>scallops, scallions and some exotic sauce only chefs know about.
>Surprisingly good for a Holiday Inn.  We gabbed for three hours.
>
>Myles

 Was the kayak OK?

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> > The worrisome ones seem to be the upper part of the ear that is mostly
> > cartilage. Sometimes they have to cut the ear away. It turns black and
> > doesn't heal. People have to be very cautious of those.
>
> I had one done on the upper back edge of my right ear with a piercing
> gun (a Bad Idea) over a decade ago. It healed fine. I don't usually wear
> jewelry in it -- hell, I don't usually wear jewelry, except my watch and
> ring -- but when I do, it's still a perfectly good piercing.

As long as it heals okay it is fine. If there is a hint of infection it
can get complicated. I guess the mouth, tongue, etc. ones are causing
havoc with teeth. Good business for dentists.

Betty

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On  1 Mar 98 at 13:50, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >I asked Bonnie and Clyde if they were going to join you on the
> >fishing cruise, Betty.  No way! they said.  When I asked why, Clyde
> >the ichthyologist laughed and said he gets seasick, and that's
> >why he decided to specialize in freshwater fish.  We started out
> >in the Holiday Inn bar and then repaired to the restaurant, where
> >the buffet included a chef who sauteed me up some shrimp scampi,
> >scallops, scallions and some exotic sauce only chefs know about.
> >Surprisingly good for a Holiday Inn.  We gabbed for three hours.
>
>  Was the kayak OK?

That was one of the few topics not covered in three hours.
The cats managed to get carsick, if that helps.

Myles

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              Mar 1, 98 12:17:03 pm

Jim FarrellCTHD said:
> >> the buffet included a chef who fried me up some shrimp scampi,
> >                                 ^^^^^
> >Sauteed.
>
> I have always wondered what the difference was, other than an approximate
> 30 per cent premium for fried things which the menu alleges are sauteed.

Well, for one thing, 'sauteed me up' is not a set expression the way
'fried me up' is.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Urls and Weather and Seth and Shirts
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen:
>http://www.dog-play.com

Remind Bernard to add that to his list of canine urls on his web page.
And remind me sometime when I'm somewhere that I can web cruise to look
at it.

Karen:
>What is the name of this book again?

_Hornet's Nest_

Karen:
>> The snow is still pouring down here.  <sigh>.
>
>It's a good thing you decided to come back after a year, I think.

Why?  This way I'm going to miss the usual Tokyo winter, which is said
to be dry, sunny, and beautiful.

The good news is that the sun is shining today for the first time in
ages, and I see that Mt. Fuji is indeed still there.

abht:
>If Seth is a Black Angus steer, the rump roast.

Seth was the fat husband of the police chief.  He developed gangrene of
the rump.  I won't give any more details lest I spoil part of the reading
pleasure for those who might not have read the book yet.

Steph:
>I've taken a first stab at a t-shirt design.
>Those who might get one should let me know what they think.

I can't look at the design, but I have confidence in your skills.  I
definitely want one.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Espen:
>Yesterday I not only bought my cod's head and liver I also bought fresh

I had a WLM yesterday when I was in the fish market downstairs and noticed
packages of fish heads.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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From: Tony Harminc <tzha0@TORAAG.COM>:
>I'm really not following all this.  Some US history channel
>advertises (on broadcast TV?) and has a disclaimer that they aren't
>available in Canada ?  Truly strange - I mean, what Canadians would
>be watching the US broadcast to see the ad ?  I don't see how
>"Canadian content" comes into it.

Cable, from the same group that owns TDC and, I believe, the
Learning Channel.  (I know CBS owns A&E, but other than that I
get confused.)  They probably wouldn't bother even advertising it
on your cable companies so I'm forced to assume the disclaimer is
aimed at dish owners.  And now that you mention it I'm back to
where I was originally, not knowing what the ban could be about.

JMW

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>fishing cruise, Betty.  No way! they said.  When I asked why, Clyde
>the ichthyologist laughed and said he gets seasick, and that's

>Myles

Clyde's an ichthyologist?  I could have sworn he said he was a limnologist.

Ken Miller
Department of Occupational Taxonomy

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>Could someone tell me what the rest of Mr Wittinger's message says?
>This is all of it that my system displays.
>
>brad

It was Zepter-encoded.  You need to get your Zepter decryption ring.

Ken Miller
Department of Communications Polish

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On  1 Mar 98 at 15:17, Bookrat wrote:

> >fishing cruise, Betty.  No way! they said.  When I asked why, Clyde
> >the ichthyologist laughed and said he gets seasick, and that's
>
> >Myles
>
> Clyde's an ichthyologist?  I could have sworn he said he was
> a limnologist.

You're right, my error.  I made the mistake of thinking that a
fisheries biologist might also be an ichthyologist.

Myles

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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
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> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:
>
> > Or take it to a grocery store's dumpster.
>
> A very telling remark, Jinny.
>
> -aht
>

Now that we've gone to one trash collection per week, crab feasts must be
carefully timed.  :-)

jinny

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In-Reply-To:  <199803012231.HAA18780@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Mar
              2, 98 07:41:49 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen:
> >> The snow is still pouring down here.  <sigh>.
> >
> >It's a good thing you decided to come back after a year, I think.
>
> Why?  This way I'm going to miss the usual Tokyo winter, which is said
> to be dry, sunny, and beautiful.

Because your English is getting strange. Snow doesn't pour down.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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Natalie said:
>I had a WLM yesterday when I was in the fish market downstairs and noticed
>packages of fish heads.
>
I had a WLM this morning when I saw a woman who looked just like Emily
Horning jogging on our street.  Emily, you weren't in Houston in a bright
orange jacket today, were you?
ndh

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Ken said:
>It was Zepter-encoded.  You need to get your Zepter decryption ring.
>
Do you get that in a box of Wheaties?
ndh

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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kcmetro is bouncing your mail. Want I should go there and break somebody's arm?

73s
Mugsy

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      my birthday
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Thank you to everyone who sent good wishes. It has not been a good day,
because Morgan is going into liver failure with attendant hallucination,
disorientation, etc. However, I did get lots of cards, ate lamb roast for
dinner, had a really good merlot with dinner, and a lovely key lime tart
for dessert.  I was looking at key lime tart, and wondered, is that some
sort of island dwelling "working girl"?

Anyway, it was a mixed day. Thanks for all your kind messages.

s

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
Organization: S.words
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Yeah, kcmetro is down and has been down three days.  Perhaps it will be
fixed before my classes need it in the morning.

I would prefer that you go to the jerk five houses east of me and trash
his yard and thrash common courtesy into his head.  He filed a grievance
against me with the city because Keith's boat is parked on the grass and
is "collecting" debris.   This really upset me.  I was told by the
inspection official that I can park the boat on the drive, sell it, or
store it, but it must be moved off the side yard.

Geez, it's tucked between the house and the fence, but on the grass and
surrounded by winter trash that has blown in.   Grumble, Grumble.

We had snow and cold temps today.  Does that mean March came in like a
lion?   I didn't cover my few daffodils because it looks like it will be
another year with no blooms.

Scott is ready to go fishing.  He worked on the fishing bench today.
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sweet (Shrimp) Vindication
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In-Reply-To:  <199802261711.MAA08002@smtp1.erols.com> from "Myles Callum" at
              Feb 26, 98 12:12:52 pm

Myles Callum said:
> The piece mentions sweet shrimp nigira, and robotic,
                                  ^^^^^^
> self-propelled drink trolleys that move through the aisles
> dispensing Japanese beers and Diet Cokes.  They stop
> when a customer waves a hand.

Nigiri, I hope. I first read this 'hegira', but that didn't work.

> Some sushi orders (mostly the rolls) are still hand-rolled, but
> a lot of it is rolled, wrapped and cut by robots that can produce
> 24,000 pieces of sushi an hour.

One of my friends in Japan was a potter. He made ceramic art pieces
and won lots of prizes in international exhibitions. But his bread and
butter was making household implements--vases, plates, etc. I watched
him go out to his studio one afternoon after lunch. In about twenty
minutes, he produced at least 20 vases. These were simple tubes (for
artsy Japanese arrangements), but they had an indentation in the upper
part. (It gives you something to balances the flowers against.) Each
vase had an indentation about six inches long, about 1/2" deep. You
make this kind of indentation using a wooden tool, but it's very hard
to get the indentation the same depth each time. I found this quite
impressive. I watched him for a long time and he only had to get rid
of one vase, because he missed with the slashing tool. I suppose this
is the kind of thing that robots are better at. But what would they do
with apprentices, then?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
Subject:      Re: A Young Fogey for The American Scholar
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Brad Grissom wrote:

 ---- you wrote:
>Could someone tell me what the rest of Mr Wittinger's
>message says?  This is all of it that my system >displays.

  I'm sorry about that - it seems I haven't got the
hang of this system yet, even though it's quite like
one that I used many years ago, in some ways at least.
Anyway, I've found that it was I who had mixed things
up - I was thinking of another magazine altogether.

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle
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Myles Callum wrote:

> "This challenge comes from our old friend Merl
> Reagle. There was a 1966 top-10 hit for the
> Chiffons called "Sweet Talkin' Guy." Take the
> 11 letters in SWEET TALKIN' and rearrange them
> to spell the name of a famous actress. Who is
> she?"

  Etta Welkins! But I didn't think anybody remembered
her any more. She wasn't all that famous either, but
she did draw a crowd for sure. Once when she was
signing autographs somebody thought she was the
First Lady, and she laughed so hard she fall off
the chair - I think people remember her for that sort
of thing.

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
Subject:      Re: Fish Heads
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  Natalie Maynor wrote:

 >I had a WLM yesterday when I was in the fish market
 >downstairs and noticed packages of fish heads.

  What is a WLM? I guess you live up in Seattle or
some such place? When I was last in the US, I went
to a fish market there just to look at the salmon,
which I remembered as being a lot bigger than it was,
but I guess that's just how things seem.

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Urls and Weather and Seth and Shirts
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At 16:54 01.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Because your English is getting strange. Snow doesn't pour down.

Actually that is a very good description of the weather as I have
experienced it occationally.

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Fish Heads
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At 02:16 02.03.98 -0500, Arnold Wittinger wrote:
>  Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >I had a WLM yesterday when I was in the fish market
> >downstairs and noticed packages of fish heads.
>
>  What is a WLM? I guess you live up in Seattle or
>some such place? When I was last in the US, I went
>to a fish market there just to look at the salmon,
>which I remembered as being a lot bigger than it was,
>but I guess that's just how things seem.

Another thing I remember from my childhood stay in New haven was the time
when I was alone in the kitchen and a large and very much alive lobster
felle down from the table, and there we were, face to face so to speak.

espen

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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Karen:
>Because your English is getting strange. Snow doesn't pour down.

You didn't see yesterday's pouring snow.  Today, otoh, has been
beautiful -- the kind of day that people keep telling me is the norm
for Tokyo winter but of which there have been no more than three this
winter.

Arnold:
>  What is a WLM?

A Words-L Moment.  You must visit the glossary at www.words-l.org.

> I guess you live up in Seattle or
>some such place?

Some such place.  Sort of.  Across the P. from Seattle.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle
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              <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>

>> "This challenge comes from our old friend Merl
>> Reagle. There was a 1966 top-10 hit for the
>> Chiffons called "Sweet Talkin' Guy." Take the
>> 11 letters in SWEET TALKIN' and rearrange them
>> to spell the name of a famous actress. Who is
>> she?"
>
>  Etta Welkins! But I didn't think anybody remembered
>her any more. She wasn't all that famous either, but
>she did draw a crowd for sure. Once when she was
>signing autographs somebody thought she was the
>First Lady, and she laughed so hard she fall off
>the chair - I think people remember her for that sort
>of thing.

 You're a hoot, Arnold!  By now, everyone has figured out that the
 answer is Lena Twetski, the beautiful Polish siren of the silent era.

 brad

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle
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Brad Grissom wrote:

>You're a hoot, Arnold!  By now, everyone has figured
>out that the answer is Lena Twetski, the beautiful
>Polish siren of the silent era.

  I've never heard of Lena Twetski, but I guess it
could just as well be her. I had an aunt who used to
talk to me a lot about these old movie stars.

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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A tape in the mail. Now I'll find someone with NTSC equipment. Thank you
very much, Betty!

espen

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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> As far as I know, this isn't <that kind> of CD. I'm just trying to
> find out how bad Hyundais are. (The car Hank wants to sell me is a
> Hyundai.)

Depends on the vintage. Early Hyundais had "reliability problems" which
is to say they gave up the ghost rather quickly.

I see a lot of Hyundais on the road hereabouts.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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> The Scots eat a hard crumbly orange mass called "salmon roe."
Apparently
> it is fried, like all other Scottish food.
>
> -aht

Repulsive maybe when cooked that way, but not as ikura, of which I had
two pieces yesterday. Karen, I forgot to ask about the amaebi.

I did have a kind of sushi yesterday I've never had before. I think it
was egg, but I'm not sure. It was a slice of something made out of tiny
yellow orbs, and was bound to the rice with a strip of seaweed. It was
chewy.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
Subject:      Shadroe and Mesick
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I am wondering if someone could perhaps and please post a deadline for
cessation of detailed discussion of the ingestion of various orts of
pelagic offal. I haven't been able to keep anything down in just days,
darlings.

73s
Jim

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Brad said:
> You're a hoot, Arnold!  By now, everyone has figured out that the
> answer is Lena Twetski, the beautiful Polish siren of the silent era.
>
Wasn't she married to a Polish cavalryman?
ndh

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Jim said:
>I am wondering if someone could perhaps and please post a deadline for
>cessation of detailed discussion of the ingestion of various orts of
>pelagic offal. I haven't been able to keep anything down in just days,
>darlings.
>
But Jim, this is being such a tremendous help to me in staying on my diet!
ndh

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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>Jim said:
>>I am wondering if someone could perhaps and please post a deadline for
>>cessation of detailed discussion of the ingestion of various orts of
>>pelagic offal. I haven't been able to keep anything down in just days,
>>darlings.
>>
>But Jim, this is being such a tremendous help to me in staying on my diet!
>ndh

There is that, and I, myself, am carrying a small spare tire.  Perhaps I
should undergo an epiphany and start worshipping the Codhead.

73s
Oral

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
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On  2 Mar 98 at 1:59, Arnold Wittinger wrote:

> Myles Callum wrote:
>
> > There was a 1966 top-10 hit for the
> > Chiffons called "Sweet Talkin' Guy." Take the
> > 11 letters in SWEET TALKIN' and rearrange them
> > to spell the name of a famous actress. Who is
> > she?"
>
>   Etta Welkins! But I didn't think anybody remembered
> her any more. She wasn't all that famous either, but
> she did draw a crowd for sure. Once when she was
> signing autographs somebody thought she was the
> First Lady, and she laughed so hard she fall off
> the chair - I think people remember her for that sort
> of thing.

Sorry, "Arnold," it's Newt Stalkie.  I lied about the actress
part.  Ha ha ha!

Myles

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
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Werem't these Daniel's friends?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
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Myles Callum wrote:

>Sorry, "Arnold," it's Newt Stalkie.  I lied about the
>actress part.  Ha ha ha!

  I've never heard of Newt Stalkie either, and I'm
beginning to suspect that the whole puzzle is some
kind of joke, in particular since you say Ha ha ha.
But I still think Etta Wilkins is a good answer.
I know some good jokes too, and I may post them
here later on.

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>Brad said:
>> You're a hoot, Arnold!  By now, everyone has figured out that the
>> answer is Lena Twetski, the beautiful Polish siren of the silent era.
>>
>Wasn't she married to a Polish cavalryman?
>ndh

 You're thinking of her second husband, Szczepan Strzebrzeszynksi, who
 was attached to the 417th Horse Artillery.  His unit escaped the
 invasion to fight again another day, but Lt. Strzeb. perished
 ("zginal", as the Poles say) in the assault on Monte Cassino.  The
 St. Anthony medallion he wore into battle is on display in the
 Muzeum Narodowe.

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In-Reply-To:  <34FAAF66@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Mar 2, 98 08:03:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> Depends on the vintage. Early Hyundais had "reliability problems" which
> is to say they gave up the ghost rather quickly.

This is an early one, but he swears that this is a very reliable car.
And he'll warranty it for 3 months.

> I see a lot of Hyundais on the road hereabouts.

New ones? I see almost none around here, of any vintage.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  2 08:43:33 1998
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> This is an early one, but he swears that this is a very reliable car.
> And he'll warranty it for 3 months.

How early are we talking? What model are we talking?

> New ones? I see almost none around here, of any vintage.

Yes, new ones, and a few old battered first-generation Excels.

But that could be because we have two local Hyundai dealerships.

On another note, everyone I know who has one is very pleased with Saturn.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Hartfield Adam said:
> > This is an early one, but he swears that this is a very reliable car.
> > And he'll warranty it for 3 months.
>
> How early are we talking? What model are we talking?

1989 Excel.

> On another note, everyone I know who has one is very pleased with Saturn.

Used Saturns hold their value--to the extent that I can't afford one.
(I would say ditto, that the people I know who have one like it.)

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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> 1989 Excel.

Yikes. YMMV, though, so if you trust Hank....but I would stay away from a
10-year-old Hyundai.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Hartfield Adam said:
> Yikes. YMMV, though, so if you trust Hank....but I would stay away from a
> 10-year-old Hyundai.

Well, it's the old "A Hyundai in the hand is worth two Hondas in the
bush" phenomenon. I'm going to test drive it this afternoon. I'm not
thrilled about this, but it's a reasonable short-term alternative.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
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Phyllistine:
>Weren't these Daniel's friends?

Yes, along with Tobedyougo.

Or, as Bertie Wooster always referred to them, "those
three chaps in the fiery furnace."

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 10:21 AM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote:
>>Brad said:
>>> You're a hoot, Arnold!  By now, everyone has figured out that the
>>> answer is Lena Twetski, the beautiful Polish siren of the silent era.
>>>
>>Wasn't she married to a Polish cavalryman?
>>ndh
>
> You're thinking of her second husband, Szczepan Strzebrzeszynksi, who
> was attached to the 417th Horse Artillery.  His unit escaped the
> invasion to fight again another day, but Lt. Strzeb. perished
> ("zginal", as the Poles say) in the assault on Monte Cassino.  The
> St. Anthony medallion he wore into battle is on display in the
> Muzeum Narodowe.
>
Wasn't her first husband the one who was accidently stabbed to death by the
spurs on the rooster he had just beheaded when it flew up and goudged him?

s

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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> Wasn't her first husband the one who was accidently stabbed to death by
the
> spurs on the rooster he had just beheaded when it flew up and goudged
him?
>
> s

No, that was her brother, Tadieusz. Her first husband, Mszstislav, was
the one killed by salmonella poisoning - some eggs fell out of their
slots in the fridge (they were very wealthy and had all the latest
Western advances) and broke on his head.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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> >Wasn't she married to a Polish cavalryman?
> >ndh
>
Brad said:
>  You're thinking of her second husband, Szczepan Strzebrzeszynksi, who
>  was attached to the 417th Horse Artillery.  His unit escaped the
>  invasion to fight again another day, but Lt. Strzeb. perished
>  ("zginal", as the Poles say) in the assault on Monte Cassino.  The
>  St. Anthony medallion he wore into battle is on display in the
>  Muzeum Narodowe.

Of course! I remember now.  But I thought it was the 416th Horse Artillery.
 My memory for important details is going fast.
ndh

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I seem to remember from my days in the Frozen North
that RWBBs were the first bird to return.  And I seem
to remember that late Feb/early Mar was the time to
start hoping/expecting to see one.

So is a RWBB sighting in G'town _that_ big of a deal?

Also, doesn't anyone else remember weird winters?  Is
this winter really all that odd?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Arnold Wittinger wrote:
>
>   I've never heard of Lena Twetski, but I guess it
> could just as well be her. I had an aunt who used to
> talk to me a lot about these old movie stars.

Arnold, would you mind signing your posts so I know who's speaking
without having to go back and look at the header, which I cannot see on
my screen if I've scrolled down far enough to read the text? Thank you
very much.

alyce, germantown, ny
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

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Richard Scheidt said:
> Also, doesn't anyone else remember weird winters?  Is
> this winter really all that odd?

It is here.

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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Richard Scheidt wrote:
>
> Also, doesn't anyone else remember weird winters?  Is
> this winter really all that odd?

It's odd around here. I've lost count of the number of records broken,
for high temperatures, lack of low temperatures, low snowfall, etc.
And certainly in the 11 Februarys (Februaries?) that I've been here,
roses were not sprouting, delphiniums and hollyhocks were not sprouting,
trees were not budding, and red-winged blackbirds were not eating at my
feeder. And yesterday the grackles joined them, greedy bastards. They
push everybody else out of the way. I hate 'em.

alyce

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Arnold, would you mind signing your posts so I know who's speaking
> without having to go back and look at the header, which I cannot see on
> my screen if I've scrolled down far enough to read the text? Thank you
> very much.
>
> alyce, germantown, ny
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

Arnold, would you please sign your posts a minimum of two times each?
Also some sort of indicator within the message body pointing to the
author would be greatly appreciated, in case we can't scroll to the
bottom of a short paragraph for some reason.

-aht
-bwp
-abh

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Richard Scheidt wrote:

> Also, doesn't anyone else remember weird winters?  Is
> this winter really all that odd?

Weird as SHIT.

-aht
-bwp
in cyberspace and everywhere

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-aht:
>Weird as SHIT.

Ah, you youngsters don't remember the winter of aught eight.

Drifts ten feet high, I tell you.  Followed by sandstorms and
locusts.  We were wearing onions on our belts, as was the custom
at the time.

I must admit, though, that the mini-hurricanes (eye and all)
that have popped up are pretty weird.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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I have returned from a weekend at my parents' Pocono house,
with a question for the list.  Apparently a skunk has decided
that the crawl space under the house is a cozy place to spend
his nights.  He digs his way in.  And although he hasn't done
a full-fledged spray yet, his odor has seeped into the house.
The question is: does anyone know of a skunk repellant?

Marie

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Marie wrote:
> The question is: does anyone know of a skunk repellant?

Been there. Try Dalmatians.

alyce

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>
> What is NPL?
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>

the National Puzzlers' League

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At 11:57 AM 03/02/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>I have returned from a weekend at my parents' Pocono house,
>with a question for the list.  Apparently a skunk has decided
>that the crawl space under the house is a cozy place to spend
>his nights.  He digs his way in.  And although he hasn't done
>a full-fledged spray yet, his odor has seeped into the house.
>The question is: does anyone know of a skunk repellant?
>
Shotgun and two West Virginians.


alec


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>> What is NPL?
>the National Puzzlers' League

It was also the original name of the programming language PL/I.
The name was changed at the request of some organization that
had glommed those initials (National Physical Laboratory?).

They must have outgrown their possessive phase.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Richard Scheidt said:
> It was also the original name of the programming language PL/I.

Flashback!

> The name was changed at the request of some organization that
> had glommed those initials (National Physical Laboratory?).
>
> They must have outgrown their possessive phase.

Or ceased to exist?

Karen
  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Marie wrote:

> The question is: does anyone know of a skunk repellant?

One hungry family from Arkansas.

-aht

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
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>No, that was her brother, Tadieusz. Her first husband, Mszstislav, was
>the one killed by salmonella poisoning - some eggs fell out of their
>slots in the fridge (they were very wealthy and had all the latest
>Western advances) and broke on his head.
>
> --Adam
>adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com


 You musta got this off the Web: don't ever trust anything you find
 there.  The first husband was Boleslaw Cichocki, and Lena (Helena)
 simply dumped him.  The wealthy one you refer to was a first cousin,
 Mieczyslaw Lubomirski, who later married Princess Grna of Albania.

 brad

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
Organization: Syracuse University Library
Subject:      Re: Redwinged Blackbirds
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> > Also, doesn't anyone else remember weird winters?  Is
> > this winter really all that odd?

    Buffalo had no recorded snowfall in February. Nary a flake!

   This isn't weird as shit (because shit's pretty common) but it
sure is strange.


Pasha



>
Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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From: gilbertsmith <Gsmith.SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
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> Something else I forgot to report was that I had pleasant intercourse in
> a tiny laundry room of a small motel in Roturua, NZ, with an engineer who
> lives in Raleigh, NC, but whose job is in California.  Lots of WLMs in the
> encounter, though he hasn't watched Spanish instruction on tv.
>
>  -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)
>

This person is obviously culturally deprived.  I want to know what
this pleasant <intercourse> consisted of, of course.  So does
everyone else.
--ggs

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From: "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD@UCSBVM.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shoo Le Peu
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:53:00 -0500 Alyce Cresap said:
>Marie wrote:
>> The question is: does anyone know of a skunk repellant?
>Been there. Try Dalmatians.
>alyce
Gentle Alyce,
   Fashion theory applied to animal control?  Spots and stripes are
naturally incompatible and therefore result in one repelling the
other?  Interesting.
   But seriously, Marie, my experiences with the little odifers has
shown that they cannot be repelled, but must be enticed.  Set out
a Hav-A-Hart trap with bacon grease, peanut butter, or cheese.
Attach a loooong rope to the handle(s).  Have a disposable plastic
tarp available to toss over the inhabited trap, leaving and end of
the rope exposed.  Carefully wrap the tarp around the trap, keeping
the tarp between you and the critter at all times.  Wrap the rope
around the whole affair so that it can be used to transport the
object while keeping your distance.  Good luck.
   The above is only to be executed if there is no local agency in
charge of removing such pests.  In many regions, there is a local
animal control organization that will willingly, if not eagerly,
perform this function.  This would be the preferred route if you
would rather not have the thrill of dealing with exotic animals.
   You might want to consider making a pet of the little fellow.
Or not.

Peace,
Elwood P. (bitten and clawed, but never sprayed) Dowd

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Karen:
>Or ceased to exist?

No, it still exists (hi Roy!); I'm just not sure
if that was the outfit that bitched.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Subject:      Re: Shoo Le Pew
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In-Reply-To:  <199803021806.NAA18304@abacus.bates.edu> from "Marie" at Mar 2,
              98 11:57:48 am

Moth balls or coyote urine.

p





>
> I have returned from a weekend at my parents' Pocono house,
> with a question for the list.  Apparently a skunk has decided
> that the crawl space under the house is a cozy place to spend
> his nights.  He digs his way in.  And although he hasn't done
> a full-fledged spray yet, his odor has seeped into the house.
> The question is: does anyone know of a skunk repellant?
>
> Marie
>

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
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>coyote urine.
>
>p

It's just so damned hard to get the coyote to sit on the bottle.

73s
Jim

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Monday Afternoon Humor (fwd)
Comments: cc: Kathie Scarborough <KATHIE_SCARBOROUGH@bshsi.com>
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I think we've seen something like this before, but I thought it was worth
posting.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu


---------- Forwarded message ----------

If Bill Gates ran GM


At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the
computer industry with the auto industry and stated "If GM had kept up
with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be
driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 mi/gal."

Recently General Motors addressed this comment by releasing the
statement "Yes, but would you want your car to crash twice a day?"

1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to
    buy a new car.

2. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and
    you would just accept this, restart and drive on.

3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver would cause your car to stop and
    fail and you would have to re-install the engine. For some strange
     reason, you would accept this too.

4. You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you
     bought "Car95" or "CarNT". But, then you would have to buy more seats.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was
   reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive, but would only
    run on five percent of the roads.

6. The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft upgrades to
    their cars, which would make their cars run much slower.

7. The oil, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a
    single "general car default" warning light.

8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.

9. The airbag system would say "are you sure?" before going off.

10. If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened.

Kevin Curran
Internal Auditor
Columbia University
Box 1, P&S
New York NY 10032
Office: 212.304.7239
Fax:    212.544.1940
kjc27@columbia.edu

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Enjoy,

>
>PUNCT-L on MAJORDOMO@MILWAUKEE.TEC.WI.US   Punctuation
>
>PUNCT-L is an unmoderated mailing list for discussing practical and
>theoretical aspects of punctuation in Modern American English.
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Alec D. Plotkin
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University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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From: Larry Clark <klmiller@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shoo Le Pew
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Paul Kuritz wrote:

> Moth balls or coyote urine.
>
> p
>

I second the moth ball idea. I have no idea who or what my source
was, but I have heard they do work.


Larry

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Redwing Blackbirds
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

        Here I am, on the wing
        here to bring
        an early Spring -       Red-winged Blackbird!

        Arctic airmasses won't hit
        no, now you get
        this weird shit -       Red-winged Blackbird!

                Record highs are scored across the nation,
                while California trebles its pre-cip-i-ta-tion!

        There's no snow
        in Buffalo,
        courtesy of El Nin~o! - Winter, bye-bye!

JMW

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From: Emily Horning <emily.horning@YALE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fish Heads
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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> Natalie said:
> >I had a WLM yesterday when I was in the fish market downstairs and noticed
> >packages of fish heads.
> >
> I had a WLM this morning when I saw a woman who looked just like Emily
> Horning jogging on our street.  Emily, you weren't in Houston in a bright
> orange jacket today, were you?

Dang, you caught me!  I was trying to escape from highway trash pickup
detail  ...

Emily

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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

" We were wearing onions on our belts, as was the custom
at the time."


-------------------- End Original Message --------------------

Pray tell, what was the reason for it? I can see garlic being worn to war=
d
off the
nasties, but onions? Hugz, Theo

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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Jim:
>I am wondering if someone could perhaps and please post a deadline for
>cessation of detailed discussion of the ingestion of various orts of
>pelagic offal.

Yesterday I passed through the Meguro train station and suddenly remembered
that that's the neighborhood of the parasite museum.  I started to get off
the train and hunt for it so that I could see the giant tapeworm, but I
had other things to do, was without my map that sometimes helps guide me
through the nameless streets, and was aware that sometimes museums are
closed on Mondays.  I do plan to go there sometime and will of course
send a detailed report.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Winter and Laundry Intercourse
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Richard and Karen:
>>  Is
>> this winter really all that odd?
>
>It is here.

And here, alas.

Giggles:
>This person is obviously culturally deprived.  I want to know what
>this pleasant <intercourse> consisted of, of course.  So does
>everyone else.

The intercourse began with hellos, immediately followed by where-are-you-
froms since our hellos were somewhat <of a kind>.  When he told me that he
lived in Raleigh but worked long-distance in Silicon Valley, I asked if he
ever watched Spanish instruction on tv.  We then discussed airlines and ff
miles, how much he and his wife were going to like the South Island when
they got there, how he was having misgivings about their having scheduled
a hangi for that night since the rain was pouring, and how soon their
clothes were going to be out of the washer so that I could put mine in.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Yesterday I passed through the Meguro train station and suddenly remembered
> that that's the neighborhood of the parasite museum.  I started to get off
> the train and hunt for it so that I could see the giant tapeworm, but I
> had other things to do, was without my map that sometimes helps guide me
> through the nameless streets, and was aware that sometimes museums are
> closed on Mondays.  I do plan to go there sometime and will of course
> send a detailed report.

I'm going to take a picture of the one we have in our lab and mail it to
Jim. Maybe I can get Larry to enlarge it first.

Betty

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> A tape in the mail. Now I'll find someone with NTSC equipment. Thank you
> very much, Betty!

You are very welcome! Norway did good. Let us know if the translation of
what they were saying in Norwegian is correct. (They displayed the ad in
English at the bottom of the screen.)

That Sven!  :-)

Betty

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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>> I had a WLM this morning when I saw a woman who looked just like Emily
>> Horning jogging on our street.  Emily, you weren't in Houston in a bright
>> orange jacket today, were you?
>
>Dang, you caught me!  I was trying to escape from highway trash pickup
>detail  ...
>Emily

Well, I'm glad I didn't stop to talk and possibly give away your position.  :-)
ndh

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
>

> There is that, and I, myself, am carrying a small spare tire.  Perhaps I
> should undergo an epiphany and start worshipping the Codhead.

Around the bend he goes.  A bit of fire might improve the platter.

--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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Due out from MIT Press in May: The Aesthetics of the Japanese Lunchbox

 The Makunouchi Bento, or traditional Japanese lunchbox, is a highly
 lacquered wooden box divided into quadrants, each of which contains
 different delicacies.  It is also one of the most familiar images of
 Japan's domestic environment.  When presented to the diner, the
 Japanese lunchbox seems straightforward enough; each of four food
 portions resides in its own compartment, apparently obeying a strict
 lunchbox geometry.  So far, just food.  But Kenji Ekuan reveals that
 a much deeper reading is possible, one that sees the lunchbox as
 nothing less than a key to understanding of Japanese civilization,
 the spirit of form, and the aesthetic ideal in which the many are
 reduced to one....          10x10, 208 pp., 65 color illus., $30

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Nighttime on the Texas Eagle
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>From the Amtrak shipping policies page:

EXPRESS SERVICES- ** ADVISE SHIPPERS OF EXPRESS POLICIES ** |
                HEAVY EXPRESS- YES / STORAGE- YES
                HUMAN REMAINS: UNDERTAKER REQUIRED TO LOAD/UNLOAD- YES
                PICKUP AND DELIVERY SERVICE- YES / LOADING DOCK- NO
                NOTE: PICKUP SERVICE ON AMTRAK ACCOUNTS ONLY.
                EXPRESS OFFICE HOURS- SAME AS TICKET OFFICE
                PUBLIC PHONE- 210-223-3226
                LOCATION OF EXPRESS OFFICE- SAME AS TICKET OFFICE
                PUBLIC PHONE- 210-223-3226
                TRAINS WITH EXPRESS SERVICE- 21 / 02 / 01 / 22
                SAS HANDLES HEAVY EXPRESS, AS WELL AS PALLETS.
                HUMAN REMAINS ALSO HANDLED.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> >From the Amtrak shipping policies page:
>
> EXPRESS SERVICES- ** ADVISE SHIPPERS OF EXPRESS POLICIES ** |
>                 HEAVY EXPRESS- YES / STORAGE- YES
>                 HUMAN REMAINS: UNDERTAKER REQUIRED TO LOAD/UNLOAD- YES

I wonder why this is? I had my brother mailed.

Betty

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> I wonder why this is? I had my brother mailed.

My father was mailed and was lost in the realms of the post office for a
few weeks. We thought we had lost him--again.

alyce

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So is someone making plans? Are Boo and Larry taking a bath with us?
What's going on?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Mar 2, 98 08:59:44 pm

Brad Grissom said:
> Due out from MIT Press in May: The Aesthetics of the Japanese Lunchbox

Yum!

>  lunchbox geometry.  So far, just food.  But Kenji Ekuan reveals that
                                                     ^^^^^
What an odd name.

>  reduced to one....          10x10, 208 pp., 65 color illus., $30

My birthday's in April, btw.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
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>So is someone making plans? Are Boo and Larry taking a bath with us?
>What's going on?
>
>Karen

You tell me and we'll both know.  I was way off my feed last week, and I'd
forgotten that this is *the* week.  I'm free Wednesday through Friday
nights (but I have to be home early), Saturday afternoon and evening, and
all day Sunday.  Somebody who's good at making decisions should let me know
where I should be and when.

Ken Miller
Department of Ftfology

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In-Reply-To:  <v03010d06b1214cde3a7d@[206.61.226.88]> from "Bookrat" at Mar 2,
              98 10:12:49 pm

Bookrat said:
> You tell me and we'll both know.  I was way off my feed last week, and I'd
> forgotten that this is *the* week.  I'm free Wednesday through Friday
> nights (but I have to be home early), Saturday afternoon and evening, and
> all day Sunday.  Somebody who's good at making decisions should let me know
> where I should be and when.

I don't know when I'm free yet, so I'm reluctant to be the
decision-maker. My vote would be for dim sum and a bath and a nap.:)
My knee is totally shot (though I'm trying to strengthen it), so
walking of any duration is out.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Larry Clark <klmiller@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> So is someone making plans? Are Boo and Larry taking a bath with us?
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> What's going on?
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>

Count me out. Sounds like a ladies only thang.


Larry

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Pest Fest or WienerWords?
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I was thinking that we might make it a two-part event: on July 3 the
official WienerWord meeting is at the Prater where we will take the
Riesenrad, look for the third man, and in general have fun, and on July 4
those of us who want to can cruise down the Danube to BudaPest for a fest.

espen

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From: Elaine Brennan <elaine@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199803030612.WAA16875@mail6.netcom.com> from "Bookrat" at Mar 2,
              98 10:12:49 pm

Bookrat said:
>
> >So is someone making plans? Are Boo and Larry taking a bath with us?
> >What's going on?
> >
> >Karen
>
> You tell me and we'll both know.  I was way off my feed last week, and I'd
> forgotten that this is *the* week.  I'm free Wednesday through Friday
> nights (but I have to be home early), Saturday afternoon and evening, and
> all day Sunday.  Somebody who's good at making decisions should let me know
> where I should be and when.
>
I'm not making any plans until I have some clothes -- yesterday was a
bad asthma day, so I ended up in the e.r. rather than on a plane; this
obviously infuriated the travel gods, who retaliated by (a) putting me
on a plane to sfo at some horribly early hour this morning and (b) having
united lose my suitcase.

And I don't think I've ever been this far south in San Jose -- all the
signs on 101 keep referring to L.A.!

--Elaine
elaine@netcom.com

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Nighttime on the Texas Eagle
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At 00:15 03/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>> I wonder why this is? I had my brother mailed.
>
>My father was mailed and was lost in the realms of the post office for a
>few weeks. We thought we had lost him--again.


I can remember ** years ago, my brother going to see a film..."Corpse Came
COD"
Why have I remembered that title all these years?

Maggy

>
>alyce
>
>

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Lunches and Lemonade
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Brad:
>  But Kenji Ekuan reveals that
> a much deeper reading is possible, one that sees the lunchbox as
> nothing less than a key to understanding of Japanese civilization,

Did I tell y'all about one of my students who is so very stereotypical
of the hard-pressured, overachieving Japanese youth?  The discussion of
bento boxes reminded me of him.  One day we were talking in a small
conversation group about the differences between high school and college,
and one thing he mentioned that he likes better about college is being
able to eat in a school cafeteria.  When I asked him exactly why, it
turned out that he didn't like the hours of work and creative frenzy his
mother devoted to fixing his lunch every day when he was in high school
and younger -- the perfect variety, perfect artistry, etc.  It reminded
me of what I had read about the competition among Japanese mothers in
preparing the bento boxes for their children to take to school.  It's
apparently fierce.

He was stereotypical in having gone to private schools and spent all extra
hours at cram schools.  He had said earlier when we were talking about tv
that his parents got rid of the tv set when he was six because they thought
it was distracting him from his studies.  All he did all through school was
study, both in and out of school.  He had no idea what I was gleaning that
day from his discussion in contrast with the stories of another student in
the group -- one who had gone to public schools, had gone to no cram schools,
and who didn't start thinking about where to try to go to college until the
last minute -- and who is obviously much smarter and more fun than the
poor child of the fancy bento boxes and cram schools.

On a different subject, I sure like atsui remonado and am wondering if I'll
ever taste it again after leaving Japan.  Have any of y'all encountered hot
lemonade in the US?  I just got back from drinking some with friends in
Takahato and got sad when I started thinking about how I'm into countdown
time now.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest or WienerWords?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

= I was thinking that we might make it a two-part event: on July 3 the
= official WienerWord meeting is at the Prater where we will take the
= Riesenrad, look for the third man, and in general have fun, and on July 4
= those of us who want to can cruise down the Danube to BudaPest for a fest.

Well then, most certainly I should put the Riesenrad as the city marker
for Wien on the t-shirt.

So far, it looks like you, me, Natalie and Norman, and my friends.  I've
heard from Roy, and I hope he doesn't mind if I say, but he has problems
with the early date.  Maybe this will just turn into a pan-european
travelling fete?  I know Natalie was thinking of arriving in Amsterdam.
What's Norman thinking?

steph

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest or WienerWords?
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>I was thinking that we might make it a two-part event: on July 3 the
>official WienerWord meeting is at the Prater where we will take the
>Riesenrad, look for the third man, and in general have fun, and on July 4
>those of us who want to can cruise down the Danube to BudaPest for a fest.
>
>espen

Could someone please post a brief situation report on this event, covering
dates and itineraries with the precision and decisiveness for which members
of this service are well-known?

No, since you ask, probably not; still, a one-in-950 chance. It occurs to
me that I am aging and have but a few years to visit Longfoert Fearghael,
to put an end to the embarassment of fraternal strife in my motherland and
to counsel certain Scandanavian persons on dietary enhancement.

73s
Conrado

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From: "Demetriou, Melanie" <MDemetriou@INTERNAL.MASSMUTUAL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Worms
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Yesterday I passed through the Meguro train station and suddenly
> remembered
> that that's the neighborhood of the parasite museum.  I started to get
> off
> the train and hunt for it so that I could see the giant tapeworm, but
> I
> had other things to do, was without my map that sometimes helps guide
> me
> through the nameless streets, and was aware that sometimes museums are
> closed on Mondays.  I do plan to go there sometime and will of course
> send a detailed report.
>
>  -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)
[>]
This gave even *me* the willies.

Melanie

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Nighttime on the Texas Eagle
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At 04:26 AM 3/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I can remember ** years ago, my brother going to see a film..."Corpse Came
>COD"
>Why have I remembered that title all these years?
>
>Maggy
>
My absolute all time favorite "lost the body" movie is the Wrong Box. It's
silly, not terribly well written, and only has its moments in the acting
and yet I never miss a chance to view it. Must say something about me.

This thread also reminds me of that wonderful Hill Street Blues episode
where Renko's father dies, and the body gets mixed up with the plans for
the station barbecue and then in a car stolen by a car thief. At one point,
Renko pitifully whines, "They've lost my daddy." And then he ends up with
Belker in an alley full of drunks. It takes Belker a while to realize that
its a corpse leaning against him instead of an annoying drunk.

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
> Could someone please post a brief situation report on this event, covering
> dates and itineraries with the precision and decisiveness for which members
> of this service are well-known?

Karen?

> No, since you ask, probably not; still, a one-in-950 chance. It occurs to
> me that I am aging and have but a few years to visit Longfoert Fearghael,
> to put an end to the embarassment of fraternal strife in my motherland and
> to counsel certain Scandanavian persons on dietary enhancement.

Go for it!

Betty

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
Organization: Greenery Press
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Bookrat said:
> > You tell me and we'll both know.  I was way off my feed last week, and I'd
> > forgotten that this is *the* week.  I'm free Wednesday through Friday
> > nights (but I have to be home early), Saturday afternoon and evening, and
> > all day Sunday.  Somebody who's good at making decisions should let me know
> > where I should be and when.
>
> I don't know when I'm free yet, so I'm reluctant to be the
> decision-maker. My vote would be for dim sum and a bath and a nap.:)
> My knee is totally shot (though I'm trying to strengthen it), so
> walking of any duration is out.

I've got other commitments Wednesday and Thursday nights, all day
Friday, and Saturday night. Sunday night would be perfect.

Verdant

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
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In-Reply-To:  <34FC2845.51E5@earthlink.net> from "Janet W. Hardy" at Mar 3,
              98 07:56:53 am

Janet W. Hardy said:
> I've got other commitments Wednesday and Thursday nights, all day
> Friday, and Saturday night. Sunday night would be perfect.

What about Sunday day, since we have to do an early night.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      police seize book
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>From the London Daily Telegraph:

> Police confiscate Mapplethorpe book
> By David Walmsley
>
> POLICE have confiscated a book of pictures by the photographer Robert
> Mapplethorpe from a university library and asked for permission to
> destroy it on the grounds of obscenity. Officers from the West
> Midlands force raided the home of a final year fine art student at the
> University of Central England, Birmingham, who had taken photographs
> of the book to be developed for use in a thesis titled Fine Art Versus
> Pornography. Dr Peter Knight, the vice-chancellor of the University of
> Central England, confirmed last night that the university faced
> possible prosecution for lending the book to its students. He said the
> university would not voluntarily comply if an order was made to
> destroy the book. Dr Knight said: "Mapplethorpe photographed quite a
> range of subjects and there is no doubt that some of his photographs
> are unusual, concentrating on male genitalia and homosexual love, but
> in over 30 years I have never come across a case where an academic
> book has caused this sort of problem. "I lose library books
> occasionally when students nick them but this is the first time that I
> have lost one to the police." Dr Knight said the university had now
> bought another edition of the book from a branch of Waterstone's at a
> cost of =A375.

alyce

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From: Jim FarrellCTHD <jfarrell@RCONNECT.COM>
Subject:      Little Roadie
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

In about an hour or so I'm out of here, on my way to the mysterious East.
With a little luck I'll get a chance to visit Brad, Hope, Phyllis, maybe
some others in the Middle Atlantic states. A little business near the
Nation's Capital makes this wonderful odyssey possible. Why does Monica
want to see +me?+

I'll find some way to email possible visitees before appearing on their
doorsteps. If I don't make contact and somebody bald, bedraggled and
begrimed shows up, it's probably me. If he's got an overly friendly Black
Lab, adrool near you shoes, with him, it's almost definitely me.

ANNE: I never save the directions for  setting no mail. Would you please
toast me, both lists, this evening?

Don't know when I'll be back. I'd say somewhere between seven days and four
weeks, give or take a little.

I was going to visit Marie in New York, but I'm pretty sensitive about
getting called a DORK. I was going to visit Myles in New Jersey but I fear
the New Jersites would steal my 1980 Chevy pickup and the world's ugliest
home-converted camper. (I hear the drug industry in in decline.)

If you pass me on the road, smile and wave. Please don't snicker. Haven't
made a vehicle payment in years.

73s
Marco Polo

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Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Janet W. Hardy said:
> > I've got other commitments Wednesday and Thursday nights, all day
> > Friday, and Saturday night. Sunday night would be perfect.
>
> What about Sunday day, since we have to do an early night.

Sunday day would work, but I'd have to take off by 4p or so to deliver
Dudes back to Vallejo.

Verdant

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At 04:36 03.03.98 -0600, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
and
>to counsel certain Scandanavian persons on dietary enhancement.

July is too early for Sturm, otherwise you could have sampled an
<interesting> drink.

espen

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      A Quiet Afternoon
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Is it time to go home yet? I've had enough of work for today.

Karen, did you buy that Hyundai?

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34FC6D2E@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Mar 3, 98 03:49:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> Is it time to go home yet? I've had enough of work for today.
>
> Karen, did you buy that Hyundai?

Not yet. I'm going to look at a Honda this afternoon, I hope. If not
today, tomorrow.

It drove really well, I have to say that. I would have no worries
about anything related to the engine falling apart.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On 28 Feb 98 at 18:47, Anne H Toal  wrote:

> The Scots eat a hard crumbly orange mass called "salmon roe." Apparently
> it is fried, like all other Scottish food.

Have we talked about deep fried Mars Bars on this service ?

Tony H.

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On  2 Mar 98 at 13:18, Brad Grissom  wrote:

>  You musta got this off the Web: don't ever trust anything you find
>  there.  The first husband was Boleslaw Cichocki,
                                          ^^^^^^^^
Amazed to remember that this really is a Polish name.  I knew a
Sylvie Cichocki.

Tony H.

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On  2 Mar 98 at 13:40, Jim FarrellCTHD  wrote:

> >coyote urine.
> >
> >p
>
> It's just so damned hard to get the coyote to sit on the bottle.

Just get some Precoyrin tablets.  Bonnie will know the evils
associated therewith.

Tony H.

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On  2 Mar 98 at 21:49, Karen Kay  wrote:

> >  lunchbox geometry.  So far, just food.  But Kenji Ekuan reveals that
>                                                      ^^^^^
> What an odd name.

Looks Basque.

Tony H.

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On  3 Mar 98 at 11:38, Alyce Cresap  wrote:

> > Dr Knight said the university had now
> > bought another edition of the book from a branch of Waterstone's at a
> > cost of =A375.
            ^^^^^

This is just Mime's user-friendly way of saying 75 pounds sterling.

Tony H.

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On  2 Mar 98 at 5:45, Brad Grissom  wrote:

> >> "This challenge comes from our old friend Merl
> >> Reagle. There was a 1966 top-10 hit for the
> >> Chiffons called "Sweet Talkin' Guy." Take the
> >> 11 letters in SWEET TALKIN' and rearrange them
> >> to spell the name of a famous actress. Who is
> >> she?"
> >
> >  Etta Welkins! But I didn't think anybody remembered
> >her any more. She wasn't all that famous either, but
> >she did draw a crowd for sure. Once when she was
> >signing autographs somebody thought she was the
> >First Lady, and she laughed so hard she fall off
> >the chair - I think people remember her for that sort
> >of thing.
>
>  You're a hoot, Arnold!  By now, everyone has figured out that the
>  answer is Lena Twetski, the beautiful Polish siren of the silent era.

Oh - I assumed you were thinking of, um, what's her name, Eta
Twinkles.  Or was it one of the others:

Swain Kettle.                           Kate Wintles.
Twinkle Teas.                           Winks Attlee.
Kitten Wales.                           Skate Wintle.
Winkle Testa.                           Tinkle Tawse.
Tate Winkles.                           Nettles Kwai.


Tony H.

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Espen:
>I was thinking that we might make it a two-part event: on July 3 the
>official WienerWord meeting is at the Prater where we will take the
>Riesenrad, look for the third man, and in general have fun, and on July 4
>those of us who want to can cruise down the Danube to BudaPest for a fest.

Sounds good to me.

Betty to Jim:
>Go for it!

What She Said!

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Tony Harminc said:
> On 28 Feb 98 at 18:47, Anne H Toal  wrote:
> > The Scots eat a hard crumbly orange mass called "salmon roe." Apparently
> > it is fried, like all other Scottish food.
>
> Have we talked about deep fried Mars Bars on this service ?

Yes. I think it was in the same discusssion as... I can't remember.
This funky stuff they eat in Montreal. Deep-fried something-unlikely.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On  3 Mar 98 at 14:25, Karen Kay  wrote:

> > Have we talked about deep fried Mars Bars on this service ?
>
> Yes. I think it was in the same discusssion as... I can't remember.
> This funky stuff they eat in Montreal. Deep-fried something-unlikely.

Poutine ?

Tony H.

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>>  You musta got this off the Web: don't ever trust anything you find
>>  there.  The first husband was Boleslaw Cichocki,
>                                          ^^^^^^^^
>Amazed to remember that this really is a Polish name.  I knew a
>Sylvie Cichocki.

 It was in my very first dialogue at Army Language School (we said
 it before we saw how it was written):

    Jak sie pan nazywa?
    Cichocki, Jozef Cichocki.

 I guess the object was to teach the three radically different
 functions of the letter 'c'.

 brad

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              3, 98 05:55:53 pm

Tony Harminc said:
> On  3 Mar 98 at 14:25, Karen Kay  wrote:
> > > Have we talked about deep fried Mars Bars on this service ?
> >
> > Yes. I think it was in the same discusssion as... I can't remember.
> > This funky stuff they eat in Montreal. Deep-fried something-unlikely.
>
> Poutine ?

Maybe. What is it?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:13:23 +0000
From:  monika.bruendl@stud.uni-muenchen.de
Subject:  Summary: 'cookies'

-------------------------------- Message 1 -------------------------------

Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:13:23 +0000
From:  monika.bruendl@stud.uni-muenchen.de
Subject:  Summary: 'cookies'

Summary: 'Cookies'

Thanks to the many people who responded to my query as to the
(metaphorical) meaning of  the computer term 'cookie'. As so many of
you responded, it's impossible for me to list everybody's message, so
I'll sum up the main points instead.

1.
Most of you said that cookie comes from a program invented at MIT
around 1970 called 'Cookie Monster' after the cookie monster from
Sesame Street.
Rich Alderson writes: >>The computer term "cookie" is
derived, by means of a joke, from the Children's Television Workshop
program _Sesame Street_.  Many people are familiar with the Cookie
Monster character and his unending search for cookies, in which he
will say to anyone (often annoyingly) "Give me a cookie!" There was a
computer program, first written for the DECSYSTEM-20, called COOKIE.
When run on an unsuspecting person's account, it would from time to
time break in to whatever they were doing and demand "Give me a
cookie!"  If the person typed "cookie" on the keyboard, the program
went back to sleep. Anything else typed would result in a repeated
"Give me a cookie!" The computer security term "cookie" for something
given on demand to a remote host grew metaphorically from this
practical joke program.  It extended in sense from there to Web
browsers and other programs.<<
Related terms are "magic cookie","fortune cookie".  A lot of you
think that 'cookie' is a shortened form of 'magic cookie'. Karen
Courtenay writes: >>The term cookies draws from a unix/programming
concept of "magic cookies" also sometimes referred to as tokens.
Tokens is perhaps a better term. In some ways a cookie is like a
Passport that gets stamped as you enter various territories. Cookies
are something a server gives to a client. And the client may show the
information back to the server on subsequent pages, actions or
visits.<<

Thanks for everybody else who gave a similar explanation: Patrick
Juola, Susanne Riehemann, Scott Waterman, Stephen Spackman, Gabor
Fencsik, Martha McGinnis, Donald Pfister, John M. Lawler, John D.
Stone and others. More information can be found at e.g.
http://sagan.earthspace.net/jargon/ (The Hacker's Dictionary, for
definitions of cookie, magic cookie, fortune cookie etc.),
http://www.lilli.com/cookie.html

2.  Metaphorical meanings
(a) cookies are like prizes, bribes:
Sam Salt writes: >>A cookie is something you give to a child when
he/she has been good. However, it may have strings attached - you
only get a cookie if you are good. So the child is being bribed. A
better strategy in the long run might be to reject the cookie and
remain independent. Cookies in the computing sense are fairly
similar.<<  So cookies are kinds of prizes one gets in exchange for
doing sth (giving information).
Mitch Smith writes: >> The user must grant the server access to the
client's internal workings, hence "accepting" (and swallowing) the
"cookie". The fact that, here in mondo-reality, cookies taste good
and don't generally phone home after being eaten helps to disguse the
fact that the user is being asked to compromise his/her system's
security, thus making the idea more "palatable". This technique is
fairly conventional in that it is analogous to the practice of giving
preshcoolers their polio vaccine on a sugar cube or hiding Rover's
heart-worm pill in a meatball.<< The following people came up with
similar explanations: Mike Fox, John Braico, Tom McMillan.

(b) Haensel & Gretel: leaving a trail of crumbs
Dan Loehr writes: >> The metaphor is that of leaving a trail of cookie
crumbs, so that you can follow them home (i.e. easily get back to
where you started).  Thus, the computer "crumb" of information you
leave behind lets the web browser find out who you are. I think the
idea of leaving a trail of crumbs started in fairy tales (i.e.Hansel
and Gretel).  At any rate, it's an infrequently-used metaphor to say
"Leave a trail of crumbs behind you" so you can return to a job or a
hometown after you've been gone a while.  It doesn't necessarily have
to be cookie crumbs, I guess.<< Victoria Bergvall gave a similar
interpretation.

(c)  Client-server:
Retta Whinnery writes: >> The server generally "serves" the cookies to
the client.  That is, the server makes the cookies based on the
information provided by the client and, then, "passes" the cookies to
the client computer.>>

(d)  cookie jar:
Jason Haugen suggests the following cookie metaphor:
>> website = Cookie Jar; cookie  = something taken from the cookie jar
 (website)<<

(e) more metaphors: Retta Whinnery wrote:
>> 1.  A cookie is an "enticement" to get a computer user to visit
 your site.  It collects information about your preferences and
customizes the site accordingly.  It's a sweet way to make sure the
user gets satisfaction from the site. 2.  A cookie has an "expiration
date" just like the edible ones we purchase in stores. 3.  A cookie
is small; it cannot be larger than 4K. 4.  The maximum number of
cookies that can be on one client is 20, a few more than a dozen, but
about the same number of edible cookies that come in a package. (5.)
The site that is customized by a cookie takes on a certain "flavor"
that the user likes. <<

(f) more food metaphors:
Retta Whinnery wrote: >> Cookies are commonly used in Java and
JavaScript, the programming languages "invented?" by Steve Coffey.
Some people have said that the language "Java" was named after a
coffee shop; however, that is incorrect. It was named after its
inventor: Coffey.  Along with this are many other food metaphors:
     cookies and coffee
     JavaBeans
     hooked on Java
     juicy applets (these are small applications, but it sounds like
     small apples)
Apple Computers also used many food metaphors:  Macintosh (a type of
edible apple as well as a brand of computers)<<
Robert Timms alsomentioned 'cookies and coffee' and 'Java' in this
connection.
Lynn S. Messing about Easter Eggs: >>For example, an Easter egg might
pop up if you go to a "Help" menu, click on the "About..." sub-menu,
and then click a certain part of the window that pops up. The Easter
egg might list the developers of the program. Easter eggs are so
called because they are surprises that you usually have to go hunting
for to find.<<

Thanks to Elke Hentschel and Tom McMillan for drawing the attention to
the fact that the definition I gave ("Cookies are bits of computer
code that allow a Web page's operators to collect information about
each user for later reference.", from 'Among The New Words' in
American Speech) was inaccurate: >>The cookies are the 'data', not
'bits of computer code' (where do they find these people to define
computer terms?).  There is certainly code written to get cookies, but
it is the data itself which is the prize, so to speak...<< (Tom
McMillan).

Well, thanks again to all of you who responded - maybe I'll quote one
or two of you in my PhD dissertation ( about the language, esp. the
metaphors, of computing). If you're interested in any details, please
do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards,
Monika.





>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Monika Br\252ndl, Munich, Germany
T: -89-2609865
monika.bruendl@stud.uni-muenchen.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Karen
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:47:00 -0600 Jim FarrellCTHD said:
>In about an hour or so I'm out of here, on my way to the mysterious East.
>With a little luck I'll get a chance to visit Brad...

 73s!!! This feels like a surprise audit, and my books are
 not in order!

 brad

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>Rich Alderson writes: >>The computer term "cookie" is
>derived, by means of a joke, from the Children's Television Workshop
>program _Sesame Street_.  Many people are familiar with the Cookie
>Monster character and his unending search for cookies, in which he
>will say to anyone (often annoyingly) "Give me a cookie!" There was a

With all due respect to Rich Alderson, Cookie Monster's signature phrase
was "Me want cookie!".

If the person who made the original request has followed the links that
were given, she has by now learned about the Cookie Bear as well.

>Mitch Smith writes: >> The user must grant the server access to the
>client's internal workings, hence "accepting" (and swallowing) the
>"cookie". The fact that, here in mondo-reality, cookies taste good

"Mondo-reality"?  This is a coinage worthy of Krystian Zepter.

>Apple Computers also used many food metaphors:  Macintosh (a type of
>edible apple as well as a brand of computers)<<

The apple variety is McIntosh.  There's a story about how "McIntosh" got
changed into "Macintosh", but I can't remember it off-hand.  (Should that
be "offhand"?  Doesn't look right to me.)

>the fact that the definition I gave ("Cookies are bits of computer
>code that allow a Web page's operators to collect information about
>each user for later reference.", from 'Among The New Words' in
>American Speech) was inaccurate: >>The cookies are the 'data', not

Bradrich, do you have any pull with the editor of AS?

Ken Miller
Visiting Exoglottist
William S. Burroughs Xenovirolinguistic Research Facility

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I thought wordslers might be interested in this web site.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

check this one out sometime: http://the-tech.mit.edu/Shakespeare/

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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:09:10 -0500 Phyllis C. Petree said:
>I thought wordslers might be interested in this web site.
>
>check this one out sometime: http://the-tech.mit.edu/Shakespeare/

 An upstart Crow, beautified with our feathers.

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Brad Grissom said:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:09:10 -0500 Phyllis C. Petree said:
> >I thought wordslers might be interested in this web site.
> >
> >check this one out sometime: http://the-tech.mit.edu/Shakespeare/
>
>  An upstart Crow, beautified with our feathers.

Our?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>>  An upstart Crow, beautified with our feathers.
>
>Our?

 Look, Karen, if you really want that bento book for your
 birthday, don't question my learned references.

 brad

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Brad Grissom said:
>  Look, Karen, if you really want that bento book for your
>  birthday, don't question my learned references.

Oops. That Shakespeare page is nothing but an upstart Crow, beautified
with our feathers!!!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>>  Look, Karen, if you really want that bento book for your
>>  birthday, don't question my learned references.
>
>Oops. That Shakespeare page is nothing but an upstart Crow, beautified
>with our feathers!!!
>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

 That's more like it.  Please send me your snail-mail address privately.

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Brad Grissom said:
> >Oops. That Shakespeare page is nothing but an upstart Crow, beautified
> >with our feathers!!!
> >
> >Karen
> >  karen@wordwrite.com
>
>  That's more like it.

So now that the sucking-up portion of the evening is over with, is it
just you and me, Braddykins?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Web Page for the Bard
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In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:25:29 -0800 from
              <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>

>So now that the sucking-up portion of the evening is over with, is it
>just you and me, Braddykins?

 This appears to be the case, Angelica.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest or WienerWords?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.ULT.3.93.980303073345.12827A-100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 3, 98 07:34:19 am

Betty Clark said:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
> > Could someone please post a brief situation report on this event, covering
> > dates and itineraries with the precision and decisiveness for which members
> > of this service are well-known?
>
> Karen?

What? What? Why are you taking my name in vain?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Ore" at Mar 3, 98 06:32:24 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> At 04:36 03.03.98 -0600, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
> and
> >to counsel certain Scandanavian persons on dietary enhancement.
>
> July is too early for Sturm, otherwise you could have sampled an
> <interesting> drink.

Interesting how?????

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: hope dondero <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject:      BeachFest
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I've been remiss in keeping up with everyone's comings and goings, and
ins and outs, and ups and downs, and well...you get the picture.

But I'm keenly aware that BeachFest is fast approaching, and while I
have a rough outline of the proceedings and participants-- a thumbnail
sketch, if you will -- I have some holes that <need filled in>.

Namely:  RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE GOING!

Trust me.  There is a *good* *reason* that I ask.  And participants can
only benefit.  So, come clean!

I know:  I (no duh); Bonnie and Clyde (again, no duh); Betty and Larry
(will you people be bringing your zoom lenses and various Roentgen-esqe
type thingies???);  possibly ggs and the New-And-Improved NMS (is this
still a possibility?); the lovely Phyllis of The Triangle; and...

...and Bookrat?  Did you ever decide yea or nay?  Am I forgetting
anyone?  Bill Holler?  Brad?  Krystian Zepter?  Hellooooooooooo....

 - hope, who Needs To Know

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
Subject:      Re: A Web Page for the Bard
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>So now that the sucking-up portion of the evening is over with, is it
>just you and me, Braddykins?
>
>Karen

I was out playing some heavy metal.  I'm back now, but not for long, for it
will soon be time for me to retire for the evening.

Ken Miller
Department of Jengglongology

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
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>I'll find some way to email possible visitees before appearing on their
>doorsteps. If I don't make contact and somebody bald, bedraggled and
>begrimed shows up, it's probably me. If he's got an overly friendly Black
>Lab, adrool near you shoes, with him, it's almost definitely me.

>73s
>Marco Polo

I've uncovered some FBI pictures on this guy, in case anyone wants to keep
an eye out for him:

http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg
http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-lake.jpg

Ken Miller
Department of Photounreality

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Subject:      Re: Little Roadie
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Bookrat wrote:

> http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
> http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg
> http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-lake.jpg

File Not Found

The requested URL /words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg was not found on
this server.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while
trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <34FCF47D.7B665661@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 4,
              98 01:28:13 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
> > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg
> > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-lake.jpg
>
> File Not Found
>
> The requested URL /words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg was not found on
> this server.
>
> Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while
> trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

One way of backtracking URL typos is to start from the top-level
directory. In this case, it's

http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97/b97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg

etc. Boo forgot a directory level.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Little Roadie
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Alyce Cresap said:
> > > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
> > > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg
> > > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-lake.jpg
> >
> > File Not Found
> >
> > The requested URL /words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj2.jpg was not found on
> > this server.
> >
> > Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while
> > trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>
> One way of backtracking URL typos is to start from the top-level
> directory. In this case, it's
>
> http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97/b97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg

No, that didn't work either. Got the same message, but I will work on
it. Now I am going to bed, however, so I will try tomorrow.

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <34FCF760.C7977843@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 4,
              98 01:40:32 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97/b97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
>                                       ^^^ bt97
> No, that didn't work either.

Of course not. Because I can't type either! It's bt (Bookrat Tour?)
as the directory name and then again as the first part of the jpeg
name.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
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In-Reply-To:  <34FCF47D.7B665661@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 4,
              98 01:28:13 am

Alyce Cresap:
=
= Bookrat wrote:
=
= > http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
=

http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97/bt97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
etc.

steph

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Brad Grissom wrote:

  >The first husband was Boleslaw Cichocki

  You sure seem to know a lot of Polish. Is Grissom a
Polish name? I wouldn't have thought so, but sometimes
people have names that don't sound anything like
what they would sound if they really were the sort
of name that you think they are.

  Arnold W.

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle
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At 18:47 03.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>
> It was in my very first dialogue at Army Language School (we said
> it before we saw how it was written):
>
>    Jak sie pan nazywa?
>    Cichocki, Jozef Cichocki.
>

Almost the only thing I remember from my Czech course 30 years ago is (some
accents are missing ...):

Proc?
Protose je hezke pocassy.

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest or WienerWords?
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At 21:00 03.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> At 04:36 03.03.98 -0600, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
>> and
>> >to counsel certain Scandanavian persons on dietary enhancement.
>>
>> July is too early for Sturm, otherwise you could have sampled an
>> <interesting> drink.
>
>Interesting how?????

It is sold from around the beginning of October and is that year's wine. It
is cloudy and has an almost sparkling taste. It tastes more like grape
juice with some added zest than wine but it is almost fully fermented so
the strength is there and hits you from behind when you are not looking.
The hangover is not so good.

espen

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At 01:40 AM 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> http://www.bookrat.com/words-l/bt97/b97-okoboji-jim-jj1.jpg
>
>No, that didn't work either. Got the same message, but I will work on
>it. Now I am going to bed, however, so I will try tomorrow.
>
>alyce
>
Try just www.bookrat.com/words-l/ and then you can click on the stuff you
want. That's easier than trying to fix typos.

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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
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>
> But I'm keenly aware that BeachFest is fast approaching, and while I
> have a rough outline of the proceedings and participants-- a thumbnail
> sketch, if you will -- I have some holes that <need filled in>.
>
> Namely:  RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE GOING!
>

I've been trying to keep that weekend clear, in case the weather is lovely
and a drive to NC seemed A Good Thing.

But Phil's nephew in Costa Rica has just been diagnosed with what seems to
be end-stage cancer.  I may be going down to help out in any way I can.

jinny

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Subject:      Malachite!
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That's what that green striated stone that we saw in Draeger's was.

Yes, it's 2:45 3 days later and it comes to me now...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle
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              <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>

>Almost the only thing I remember from my Czech course 30 years ago is (some
>accents are missing ...):
>
>Proc?
>Protose je hezke pocassy.
>
>espen

 The other line from Polish class that I remember is "Do you have a
 room for rent?"  The instructor went around the room and had us
 singing it:

  Czy ma pan pokoj do wynajecia?
                                     Czy ma pan pokoj do wynajecia?
                Czy ma pan pokoj do wynajecia?

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              <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:15:21 -0500 hope dondero said:
>I've been remiss in keeping up with everyone's comings and goings, and
>ins and outs, and ups and downs, and well...you get the picture.
>
>But I'm keenly aware that BeachFest is fast approaching, and while I
>have a rough outline of the proceedings and participants-- a thumbnail
>sketch, if you will -- I have some holes that <need filled in>.
>
>Namely:  RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE GOING!

 I've applied for a passport renewal, but I worry that it won't
 arrive in time.  If you're buying gifts for attendees, you
 could always send mine via UPS or the like.

 brad

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      No wonder Office 97 is so bloated!
Comments: cc: Jennifer Lawrence <jalawren@fm1n.fm.intel.com>,
          "Richardson Keith (Lud)" <krichar@ludlow.artioslink.com>
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Forwarded to me by our VP of CAM Development, who got it from Infoseek's
trivia site (http://trivia.infoseek.com), and used w/o permission:

"Apparently the constant rain up in Redmond has drive Bill's engineers to
obsessive flights of fancy. Below you'll find instructions on how to
access a little flight simulator that was inexplicably hidden by
precipitation-maddened programmers deep inside Excel 97. "

"In Excel 97, open a new blank worksheet. Press F5 (Go To) and type
X97:L97 in the 'Reference' box, then click OK. Now hit your tab key once
(you should en up in cell M97). Here's the tricky part: press CTRL and
SHIFT while clicking once on the "chart wizard" button (the one with the
blue-yellow-red barchart icon). After a few moments you should be flying.
Steer with the mouse and look for the credits screen. You can exit the
screen by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+ESC. Now ask yourself, is this the work of
the sane?"

This really does work - I've just tried it twice. Bizarre! What I want to
know is who discovers this stuff? The developers must leak it out or
something.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Subject:      Re: No wonder Office 97 is so bloated!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

On Wednesday, March 04, 1998 10:01 AM, Hartfield Adam (Lud)
[SMTP:adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM] wrote:

> This really does work - I've just tried it twice. Bizarre! What I want
to
> know is who discovers this stuff? The developers must leak it out or
> something.
>
>  --Adam
> adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

Reminds me of the hidden screen on that Atari game. What was it called?
Adventure? The one with the dragons and the bat.

Programmers by definition are bizarre. It's a universal axiom!

Melanie

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Adam:
>This really does work - I've just tried it twice.

Yes, the Easter egg.  The EE in Excel 95 (similar method,
just row 95, and CTRL-ALT-SHIFT, or something -- if you
really wanna know, I'll look it up) brings up "The Hall
of Lost Souls".

The Gates-Is-The-Antichrist folks musta had a field day with
that one.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Melanie:
>Programmers by definition are bizarre. It's a universal axiom!

No, it's just the programming team's only opportunity to
get their names in the credits, so to speak.

Work on that definition.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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On Wednesday, March 04, 1998 10:52 AM, Richard Scheidt
[SMTP:RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU] wrote:
> Melanie:
> >Programmers by definition are bizarre. It's a universal axiom!
>
> No, it's just the programming team's only opportunity to
> get their names in the credits, so to speak.
>
> Work on that definition.
>
> Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

I don't make them up, I just live by them!! And I sit amidst a team of
programmers; I just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

Melanie

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Malachite!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199803041043.AA18061@waltz.rahul.net> from "Karen Kay" at Mar 4,
              98 02:43:17 am

Karen Kay said:
> That's what that green striated stone that we saw in Draeger's was.
>
> Yes, it's 2:45 3 days later and it comes to me now...
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

E-oops.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <7F76BD657941D1118AEF00805FFEC9C0660106@exch3> from "Demetriou,
              Melanie" at Mar 4, 98 11:02:03 am

Demetriou, Melanie said:
> I don't make them up, I just live by them!! And I sit amidst a team of
> programmers; I just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

Wimp! You just need to say very clearly "Don't fuck with me!".

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> > I don't make them up, I just live by them!! And I sit amidst a team
of
> > programmers; I just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
>
> Wimp! You just need to say very clearly "Don't fuck with me!".

And it helps if you grab them by the shoulders and shake them as you
shout this.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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On Wednesday, March 04, 1998 12:39 PM, Karen Kay
[SMTP:karen@WORDWRITE.COM] wrote:
> Wimp! You just need to say very clearly "Don't fuck with me!".
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

Honestly, Karen, I've said that so much in the past two weeks that I
think I've met my quota. Not to mention that anybody who hasn't figured
out not to fuck with me by now Deserves What They Get. Which might be
nothing, depending on the day. But I have a good memory...

Melanie

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From: "Demetriou, Melanie" <MDemetriou@INTERNAL.MASSMUTUAL.COM>
Subject:      Re: No wonder Office 97 is so bloated!
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On Wednesday, March 04, 1998 12:42 PM, Hartfield Adam (Lud)
[SMTP:adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM] wrote:
> > Wimp! You just need to say very clearly "Don't fuck with me!".
>
> And it helps if you grab them by the shoulders and shake them as you
> shout this.
>
>  --Adam
> adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

If I use the proper pitch and tone, I don't need to shake them.


Melanie

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: No wonder Office 97 is so bloated!
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In-Reply-To:  <34FD92AA@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Mar 4, 98 12:42:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> > > I don't make them up, I just live by them!! And I sit amidst a team
> of
> > > programmers; I just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
> >
> > Wimp! You just need to say very clearly "Don't fuck with me!".
>
> And it helps if you grab them by the shoulders and shake them as you
> shout this.

Only if you are shorter than they are. You know, I haven't had to say
this for months!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <34FD92AA@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Mar 4, 98 12:42:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> > > I don't make them up, I just live by them!! And I sit amidst a team
> of
> > > programmers; I just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
> >
> > Wimp! You just need to say very clearly "Don't fuck with me!".
>
> And it helps if you grab them by the shoulders and shake them as you
> shout this.

Btw, I have a second interview this afternoon, w/ a VP of Engineering.
I wonder if I can work this into the conversation...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Subject:      Re: No wonder Office 97 is so bloated!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

On Wednesday, March 04, 1998 10:01 AM, Hartfield Adam (Lud)
[SMTP:adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM] wrote:
> Forwarded to me by our VP of CAM Development, who got it from
Infoseek's
> trivia site (http://trivia.infoseek.com), and used w/o permission:
>
> "Apparently the constant rain up in Redmond has drive Bill's engineers
to
> obsessive flights of fancy. Below you'll find instructions on how to
> access a little flight simulator that was inexplicably hidden by
> precipitation-maddened programmers deep inside Excel 97. "
>
> "In Excel 97, open a new blank worksheet. Press F5 (Go To) and type
> X97:L97 in the 'Reference' box, then click OK. Now hit your tab key
once
> (you should en up in cell M97). Here's the tricky part: press CTRL and
> SHIFT while clicking once on the "chart wizard" button (the one with
the
> blue-yellow-red barchart icon). After a few moments you should be
flying.
> Steer with the mouse and look for the credits screen. You can exit the
> screen by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+ESC. Now ask yourself, is this the work
of
> the sane?"
>
> This really does work - I've just tried it twice. Bizarre! What I want
to
> know is who discovers this stuff? The developers must leak it out or
> something.
>
>  --Adam
> adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

It's not working for me. Has my Excel been castrated by my Systems
Administrator?

Melanie

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Jim FarrellCTHD wrote:
> > > Could someone please post a brief situation report on this event, covering
> > > dates and itineraries with the precision and decisiveness for which members
> > > of this service are well-known?
> >
> > Karen?
>
> What? What? Why are you taking my name in vain?

Never! Did Barbara find her suitcase?

Betty

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
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In-Reply-To:  <01IU2XNPYDWI94HDM7@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Feb 27,
              98 04:48:10 pm

Lisa Alfieri:
=
= Hi All-
=
= I'm going to interview for a QA position on Tuesday. The head hunter has
= informed me that I will have to take two tests. The Prandex (Prendex?) and
= the MIIS test.
=

I asked my mom the psychologist, but she'd never heard of it.  Now that it's
Wednesday, you'll have to tell us about it.  How'd the interview go?
Are you going to work for anyone we'd like to criticise?

steph

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Mileage
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I know that YMMV is the rule, but... I'm really surprised that the new
Pontiac I am renting doesn't get much better mileage than the 16 year
old Honda I had until a couple of weeks ago. Is mileage not an issue
in the US any more?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 4, 98 11:16:54 am

Betty Clark said:
> > What? What? Why are you taking my name in vain?
>
> Never!

Uh-huh. You are *bad*, Betty. And senile. They are definitely going to
have to tie you to your wheelchair.

> Did Barbara find her suitcase?

I don't know, I haven't heard from her.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: gilbertsmith <Gsmith.SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BeachFest
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> type thingies???);  possibly ggs and the New-And-Improved NMS (is this
> still a possibility?)

This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
those who gather....
--ggs

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> Betty Clark said:
> > > What? What? Why are you taking my name in vain?
> >
> > Never!
>
> Uh-huh. You are *bad*, Betty. And senile. They are definitely going to
> have to tie you to your wheelchair.
>
> > Did Barbara find her suitcase?
>
> I don't know, I haven't heard from her.

Have you heard from Elaine?

Betty

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Arnold Wittinger wrote:

> Brad Grissom wrote:
>
>   >The first husband was Boleslaw Cichocki
>
>   You sure seem to know a lot of Polish. Is Grissom a
> Polish name? I wouldn't have thought so, but sometimes
> people have names that don't sound anything like
> what they would sound if they really were the sort
> of name that you think they are.

I think his brother plays on one of the basketball teams but I forgot
which one. Or was it baseball?

Betty

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From: Anne Tracy <atracy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, gilbertsmith wrote:

> This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
> cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
> those who gather....

Apparently know one told her that Bonnie and Betty will be there.

Aunti

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Richard Scheidt wrote:

> Adam:
> >This really does work - I've just tried it twice.
>
> Yes, the Easter egg.  The EE in Excel 95 (similar method,
> just row 95, and CTRL-ALT-SHIFT, or something -- if you
> really wanna know, I'll look it up) brings up "The Hall
> of Lost Souls".

I really want to know.  Thanks,

Betty

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, gilbertsmith wrote:
>
> > This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
> > cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
> > those who gather....
>
> Apparently know one told her that Bonnie and Betty will be there.
             ^^^^

Auntie, are you okay? How is the knee?


Betty

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, hope dondero wrote:

> I've been remiss in keeping up with everyone's comings and goings, and
> ins and outs, and ups and downs, and well...you get the picture.
>
> But I'm keenly aware that BeachFest is fast approaching, and while I
> have a rough outline of the proceedings and participants-- a thumbnail
> sketch, if you will -- I have some holes that <need filled in>.
>
> Namely:  RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE GOING!
>
> Trust me.  There is a *good* *reason* that I ask.  And participants can
> only benefit.  So, come clean!
>
> I know:  I (no duh); Bonnie and Clyde (again, no duh); Betty and Larry
> (will you people be bringing your zoom lenses and various Roentgen-esqe
> type thingies???);  possibly ggs and the New-And-Improved NMS (is this
> still a possibility?); the lovely Phyllis of The Triangle; and...
>
> ...and Bookrat?  Did you ever decide yea or nay?  Am I forgetting
> anyone?  Bill Holler?  Brad?  Krystian Zepter?  Hellooooooooooo....
>
>  - hope, who Needs To Know

Are you making a t-shirt?

Betty

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> > > This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
> > > cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
> > > those who gather....
> >
> > Apparently know one told her that Bonnie and Betty will be there.
>
> Auntie, are you okay? How is the knee?

The knee is doing fine, thanks, but I'm really, really pissed right now
that I committed that stupid error and *you* pointed it out.  What
happened is that I changed the message but neglected that one, itsy,
bitsy word.  Ticks me off.

Aunti

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, gilbertsmith wrote:

> > type thingies???);  possibly ggs and the New-And-Improved NMS (is this
> > still a possibility?)
>
> This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
> cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
> those who gather....

We will not disappoint. Bonnie is readying things as we speak.

Betty

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Jim, if you read this, I'm heading to DC, too. Open house at Gallaudet!!
I'll be at the Days Inn on NY Ave Fri night. Call if you're around :)


heather

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On  3 Mar 98 at 16:12, Karen Kay  wrote:

> > > This funky stuff they eat in Montreal. Deep-fried something-unlikely.
> >
> > Poutine ?
>
> Maybe. What is it?

Um, cheese curds + fries + gravy.  AKA "instant heart attack".

Tony H.

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 4, 98 01:33:50 pm

Betty Clark said:
> > Betty Clark said:
> > > Did Barbara find her suitcase?
> >
> > I don't know, I haven't heard from her.
>
> Have you heard from Elaine?

I just said, no.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Tony Harminc said:
> Um, cheese curds + fries + gravy.  AKA "instant heart attack".

Yes!!!! That's it. Gack.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, gilbertsmith wrote:

> > type thingies???);  possibly ggs and the New-And-Improved NMS (is this
> > still a possibility?)
>
> This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
> cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
> those who gather....
> --ggs

Giggles' fame has been noted again.  This morning's N&O quoted his
comments about the surprise tranfer of a former head honco with the NCDOT
to NC State.  NCDOT & the transferee are under investigation by the FBI.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Roy Jaques <rjaques@HETNET.NL>
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>= I was thinking that we might make it a two-part event: on July 3 the
>= official WienerWord meeting is at the Prater where we will take the
>= Riesenrad, look for the third man, and in general have fun, and on July 4
>= those of us who want to can cruise down the Danube to BudaPest for a fest.
>
>Well then, most certainly I should put the Riesenrad as the city marker
>for Wien on the t-shirt.
>
>So far, it looks like you, me, Natalie and Norman, and my friends.

You have friends ? Pat ?

>I've
>heard from Roy, and I hope he doesn't mind if I say, but he has problems
>with the early date.

I could probably make the end of Espens trip to Hungary though.
Around the 10th wasn't it ? Should I go there would be space in
the car for a passenger or two.

>Maybe this will just turn into a pan-european
>travelling fete?

No chance,  perhaps an alpine tour on the way back though.

> I know Natalie was thinking of arriving in Amsterdam.

Something to with Northwest/KLM by any chance ?

>What's Norman thinking?

Who cares, as long as he stays away from fire detectors.

>steph

Roy

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:
>
> The knee is doing fine, thanks, but I'm really, really pissed right now
> that I committed that stupid error and *you* pointed it out.  What
> happened is that I changed the message but neglected that one, itsy,
> bitsy word.  Ticks me off.

Get over it!

Betty

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > Did Barbara find her suitcase?
> > >
> > > I don't know, I haven't heard from her.
> >
> > Have you heard from Elaine?
>
> I just said, no.

You said no to hearing from Barbara. You didn't say anything about not
hearing from Elaine. Are you having a reading problem?

Betty

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>> This is more than a possibility... it is a <certainty>...  The NMS
>> cant stop talking about it....  She is expecting great things from
>> those who gather....

>We will not disappoint. Bonnie is readying things as we speak.
>
>Betty


I'm doing no such thing.  I'm just watching the surf, reading the new P.D=
=2E
James, renting movies, eating crab, and napping.  Huge aircraft carrier s=
at
off the island last night.  Helicopters on the fore deck.  Fighter jets o=
n
the aft.  Is someone at war with the US?  Hope not.

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From: hope dondero <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>
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> betty clark said:

>>hope said:

>>Namely:  RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE GOING!
>
>> Trust me.  There is a *good* *reason* that I ask.  And participants can
>> only benefit.  So, come clean!
>
>> I know:  I (no duh); Bonnie and Clyde (again, no duh); Betty and Larry
> >(will you people be bringing your zoom lenses and various Roentgen-esqe
>> type thingies???);  possibly ggs and the New-And-Improved NMS (is this
>> still a possibility?); the lovely Phyllis of The Triangle; and...
>
>> ...and Bookrat?  Did you ever decide yea or nay?  Am I forgetting
>> anyone?  Bill Holler?  Brad?  Krystian Zepter?  Hellooooooooooo....
>
>>  - hope, who Needs To Know



>Are you making a t-shirt?

>Betty


  Nope.  I'm crocheting Kleenex (tm) Kozies to commemorate the event, so
I need to know everyone's favorite colors (pick as many as two!!!) tout
de suite.

  I say we put Giggles on tee shirt detail.  I bet he knows where he can
get some second-hand.

  - hope

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, bonniev wrote:
> >We will not disappoint. Bonnie is readying things as we speak.
> >Betty

> I'm doing no such thing.  I'm just watching the surf, reading the new P
> James, renting movies, eating crab, and napping.  Huge aircraft carrier
> at off the island last night.  Helicopters on the fore deck.  Fighter
> jets on the aft.  Is someone at war with the US?  Hope not.

Don't you worry about petty stuff like that. Your job is to prepare a
place for us.

Betty

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, hope dondero wrote:

> > betty clark said:
> >Are you making a t-shirt?
>
>   Nope.  I'm crocheting Kleenex (tm) Kozies to commemorate the event, so
> I need to know everyone's favorite colors (pick as many as two!!!) tout
> de suite.
>
>   I say we put Giggles on tee shirt detail.  I bet he knows where he can
> get some second-hand.

But they will probably have a picture of a mortuary on them.

My favorite colors are purple and teal, and YES, "Ken Miller" is coming.

Betty

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Happy Birthday!


Betty

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 9.309, Sum: 'cookies' (fwd)
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              <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>

Ken Miller:
>>the fact that the definition I gave ("Cookies are bits of computer
>>code that allow a Web page's operators to collect information about
>>each user for later reference.", from 'Among The New Words' in
>>American Speech) was inaccurate: >>The cookies are the 'data', not
>
>Bradrich, do you have any pull with the editor of AS?

 None whatsoever.  In general, I get no respect.  Deadbeats come
 up to me on the street and say, "Gimme a dollar, man.  Your home
 page sucks, and I loathe the background."  I give 'em the dollar.

 brad

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Cars and Planes
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Karen:
> Is mileage not an issue
>in the US any more?

Was it ever?  It wouldn't enter my mind to expect a Pontiac to get as
good mileage as a Honda.

Roy:
>> I know Natalie was thinking of arriving in Amsterdam.
>
>Something to with Northwest/KLM by any chance ?

Since I will probably get a Eurailpass, it doesn't much matter where I
arrive/depart.  Northwest and KLM go lots of places in Europe, but if
there's a shortage of seats, Amsterdam might be the best destination --
as in the most available seats.  I should probably call NW and see if
it's possible to make my ff-using arrangements from here instead of having
to wait until I'm in the US.  Probably I'll name Paris instead of
Amsterdam as the first choice of destination.  But I dunno.  I would
name Budapest except that I don't want to have to begin and end there.
Can you do open-jaw things with ff tickets?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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> None whatsoever.  In general, I get no respect.  Deadbeats come
> up to me on the street and say, "Gimme a dollar, man.  Your home
> page sucks, and I loathe the background."  I give 'em the dollar.
>
> brad

Brad, I have never said your home page sucks, for the very good reason that
I don't think your home page sucks.  In fact, I think your home page rocks.
Both content and design are hecka cool.  The only area in which your home
page needs improvement is bandwidth awareness, as those of us who do not
have 17 inch screens hooked into T1s would appreciate your home page even
more if we didn't have to wait twenty minutes for it to download.

By the way, I was at one of the last text-only terminals in the library
today (an HP Vectra that doesn't even have the horsepower to run Opera) and
I remembered that you'd mentioned that Bro. Memm's homepage had an entrance
for Kenn C. Miller, and I went there and I clicked on it.  And lynx told me
it was just a gif!  'T'sup with that?

Ken Miller
Araneic Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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On  4 Mar 98 at 22:07, Brad Grissom wrote:

>  None whatsoever.  In general, I get no respect.  Deadbeats come
>  up to me on the street and say, "Gimme a dollar, man.  Your
>  home page sucks, and I loathe the background."  I give 'em the
>  dollar.

Wouldn't take much to lighten up that background a little. Just
change the #808080 to some number that Kenn. C. Miller will give
you. As to lightening up everything else, I have no suggestions.

       mem

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Subject:      For Bored Web-Surfers
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

If any of you are looking for something to kill time with while at your
computer, how about going to http://www.msstate.edu/ and seeing if you
can find anywhere an academic calendar -- as in a schedule of when classes
start and stop.  I'm trying to find out exact dates for the beginning and
ending of first term summer school.  Usually it starts around Monday or
Tuesday of the last week in May and ends about four weeks later -- the
last week in June.  But I'd kind of like to know for sure when it ends
before I do something like up and plan a flight to Europe.  It would be
just my luck if they decided to go back to the old schedule (of eight or
ten years ago) when it started in early June and ended in early July.
I doubt that that's a possibility.  I've written one of the departmental
secretaries with this question, but she doesn't know the answer -- which
strikes me as rather strange.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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              <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>

>By the way, I was at one of the last text-only terminals in the library
>today (an HP Vectra that doesn't even have the horsepower to run Opera) and
>I remembered that you'd mentioned that Bro. Memm's homepage had an entrance
>for Kenn C. Miller, and I went there and I clicked on it.  And lynx told me
>it was just a gif!  'T'sup with that?
>
>Ken Miller
>Araneic Correspondent
>The Lostin Times

 You click on it and you get a 1950s-vintage TV test pattern.  A very
 clever joke, but I guess you have to be of a certain age to appreciate it.

 brad

  "Give me a table near a waiter."  --Henny Youngman

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 4, 98 04:23:04 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Betty Clark said:
> > > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > > Did Barbara find her suitcase?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know, I haven't heard from her.
> > >
> > > Have you heard from Elaine?
> >
> > I just said, no.
>
> You said no to hearing from Barbara. You didn't say anything about not
> hearing from Elaine. Are you having a reading problem?

I was assuming you were just being senile again and meant Elaine. Who
the fuck is Barbara?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>  "Give me a table near a waiter."  --Henny Youngman

"Why didn't they just hire taller girls?"
         __ Mr. Y., as the ballerinas went en pointe

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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In-Reply-To:  <199803050343.MAA21489@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Mar
              5, 98 12:54:26 pm

Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen:
> > Is mileage not an issue
> >in the US any more?
>
> Was it ever?  It wouldn't enter my mind to expect a Pontiac to get as
> good mileage as a Honda.

But we're comparing a *brand new* Pontiac with a 17 year old Honda
that didn't get good mileage! I would have thought that the Pontiac
would have done better.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Tony:
>AKA "instant heart attack".

Isn't there a law that you gotta say that in French?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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In-Reply-To:  <m0yARci-001183C@malasada.lava.net> from "Michael E. Macmillan"
              at Mar 4, 98 05:47:01 pm

Michael E. Macmillan said:
> Wouldn't take much to lighten up that background a little. Just
> change the #808080 to some number that Kenn. C. Miller will give
> you.

FFFFFF!

> As to lightening up everything else, I have no suggestions.

Figures!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: No wonder Office 97 is so bloated!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>I really want to know.  Thanks,

Excel for Win 95:

Open a new spreadsheet.  Highlight row 95.  Tab once
so you're in B95.  Click on Help, and then About.

Do a SHIFT-CTRL click on Tech Support.

Use the arrow keys to go through the door and see
all the programmers' names.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest or WienerWords?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > > > Did Barbara find her suitcase?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know, I haven't heard from her.
> > > >
> > > > Have you heard from Elaine?
> > >
> > > I just said, no.
> >
> > You said no to hearing from Barbara. You didn't say anything about not
> > hearing from Elaine. Are you having a reading problem?
>
> I was assuming you were just being senile again and meant Elaine. Who
> the fuck is Barbara?

Barbara is Tony's wife. I couldn't think of Elaine's name.

Betty

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Pest Fest or WienerWords?
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 4, 98 08:28:04 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Betty Clark said:
> > > On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > > > > Did Barbara find her suitcase?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know, I haven't heard from her.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you heard from Elaine?
> > > >
> > > > I just said, no.
> > >
> > > You said no to hearing from Barbara. You didn't say anything about not
> > > hearing from Elaine. Are you having a reading problem?
> >
> > I was assuming you were just being senile again and meant Elaine. Who
> > the fuck is Barbara?
>
> Barbara is Tony's wife. I couldn't think of Elaine's name.

So was I right? I know that Tony's wife is named Barbara, but I have
no knowledge of any of her suitcases. I know several other Barbaras,
and I don't know about their suitcases either.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Sharon <paz@INOW.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Janet W. Hardy said:
> > > I've got other commitments Wednesday and Thursday nights, all day
> > > Friday, and Saturday night. Sunday night would be perfect.
> >
> > What about Sunday day, since we have to do an early night.
>
> Sunday day would work, but I'd have to take off by 4p or so to deliver
> Dudes back to Vallejo.
>
> Verdant
>
Awww... did ya'll take this back channel?  Without including me?  Well, I
<never>.

  Sharon

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.93.980304211411.6255A-100000@vader.inow.com> from
              "Sharon" at Mar 4, 98 09:15:14 pm

Sharon said:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Janet W. Hardy wrote:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > Janet W. Hardy said:
> > > > I've got other commitments Wednesday and Thursday nights, all day
> > > > Friday, and Saturday night. Sunday night would be perfect.
> > >
> > > What about Sunday day, since we have to do an early night.
> >
> > Sunday day would work, but I'd have to take off by 4p or so to deliver
> > Dudes back to Vallejo.
> >
> > Verdant
> >
> Awww... did ya'll take this back channel?  Without including me?  Well, I
> <never>.

No, if we took this backchannel, you wouldn't be reading about it!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Sharon <paz@INOW.COM>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> > > Sunday day would work, but I'd have to take off by 4p or so to deliver
> > > Dudes back to Vallejo.
> > >
> > > Verdant
> > >
> > Awww... did ya'll take this back channel?  Without including me?  Well, I
> > <never>.
>
> No, if we took this backchannel, you wouldn't be reading about it!
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>
I meant *after* that post.  It seemed an odd place to leave it hanging.

  Sharon

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
Subject:      Re: 9.309, Sum: 'cookies' (fwd)
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>Wouldn't take much to lighten up that background a little. Just
>change the #808080 to some number that Kenn. C. Miller will give
>you.

Anything with each duplet greater than C0 will probably work just fine.

>As to lightening up everything else, I have no suggestions.
>
>       mem

Most of the pictures are B&W, right?  Not much to worry about there.

Ken Miller
Araneic Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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> You click on it and you get a 1950s-vintage TV test pattern.  A very
> clever joke, but I guess you have to be of a certain age to appreciate it.
>
> brad

Well, that, and you have to be graphics-enabled to appreciate it.  Even a
man of a certain age wouldn't appreciate it if he were dependent on
Charlotte.

Ken Miller
Society for the Prevention of Macmillans Syndrome

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.93.980304212405.6255B-100000@vader.inow.com> from
              "Sharon" at Mar 4, 98 09:25:09 pm

Sharon said:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Sunday day would work, but I'd have to take off by 4p or so to deliver
> > > > Dudes back to Vallejo.
> > > >
> > > > Verdant
> > > >
> > > Awww... did ya'll take this back channel?  Without including me?  Well, I
> > > <never>.
> >
> > No, if we took this backchannel, you wouldn't be reading about it!
> >
> > Karen
> >   karen@wordwrite.com
> >
> I meant *after* that post.  It seemed an odd place to leave it hanging.

But that's where it is. No one has made any plans or decisions. Elaine
lost her suitcase and that's the last we heard. I don't know where
she's staying, but I do remember she said she was going to change
locations in midweek.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Sharon <paz@INOW.COM>
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> But that's where it is. No one has made any plans or decisions. Elaine
> lost her suitcase and that's the last we heard. I don't know where
> she's staying, but I do remember she said she was going to change
> locations in midweek.
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>
Well, I haven't seen Elaine since Tiajuana and I'd really like to raise a
Corona with Wordslers some time soon.  Keep me posted.

  Sharon

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>> Wouldn't take much to lighten up that background a little. Just
>> change the #808080 to some number that Kenn. C. Miller will give
>> you.
>
>FFFFFF!

Not a good idea.  There are probably at least as many people who find
#FFFFFF objectionable as there are people who find #000000 objectionable.
I'm partial to #FFFFCC myself, but any pastel color will do, assuming that
the text and link colors are chosen appropriately.

>> As to lightening up everything else, I have no suggestions.
>
>Figures!
>
>Karen

Mem's self-appointed task is to keep hoi polloi out of his own personal
website.  It's his free-speech right to make his own website as restrictive
as he wants to.  As far as I know, he's never tried to insist that other
people's websites should deliberately exclude, e.g., dichromatics.

Kenn C. Miller
Araneic Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Oh, well!!!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

The car I'm renting is rated the worst (likelihood of injury/death)
for side-impact crashes. Lovely. I need a new car!!!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <v03010d08b123defd684e@[206.61.226.88]> from "Bookrat" at Mar 4,
              98 10:09:39 pm

Bookrat said:
> Not a good idea.  There are probably at least as many people who find
> #FFFFFF objectionable as there are people who find #000000 objectionable.

Why?

> I'm partial to #FFFFCC myself, but any pastel color will do, assuming that
> the text and link colors are chosen appropriately.

Hm. Any pastel comes up grey on my machine at work. (The one w/ the
famous color problem.

> Mem's self-appointed task is to keep hoi polloi out of his own personal
> website.  It's his free-speech right to make his own website as restrictive
> as he wants to.  As far as I know, he's never tried to insist that other
> people's websites should deliberately exclude, e.g., dichromatics.

I'm not insisting on anything. It's my right not to look at sites that
I find unreadable, though. It's also my right to try to persuade
everyone to design their pages the way I want them to look.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Check this out please, pretty please, huh huh
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I asked a programmer friend about the Microsquash flight simulator. Here is
her reply, plus a Word game at the end if you read all the way through.

>Yes, it does.  It's one of the best dongles I've ever seen.  Most programs
have at least one somewhere.  However, they are usually inside information
till somebody tells somebody who tells somebody, etc.  Most of the ones
I've seen are much simpler than this one.  Usually just some kind of screen
shot or something.  The program I am working on has a little flash screen
with an inside joke on it.  It really wouldn't mean anything to anybody
outside our group.  It's just something programmers tend to do to break the
monotony sometimes.  What can I say, most programmers are a little strange.
>
>The trick with this one is that you have to have cells L97 through X97
selected, or highlighted, and M97 has to be the current cell when you do
the CTRL-SHIFT-<Chart Wizard>.  F5 brings up a selection window.  Entering
L97:X97 selects those cells and leaves you in L97.  TAB then moves you to
M97 without changing the selection.  You can achieve the same thing by
clicking on cell L97 and dragging to X97 to select those cells.  This again
leaves you in L97 so hitting TAB moves you to M97. It brings up a pretty
neat, although simple, flight simulator that allows you to fly over a
fractal landscape.  Out in the middle of it is a section in a different
color and pattern with a billboard that has credits for the names of the
programmers that worked on the project scrolling up on it.  This is a
typical reason for this type of thing, to give credit to those who wrote
the program....Even if most people will never see it.
>
>Thanks for the info....We use Excel97 at work. I'll have fun with this
one.  Here's another simpler one for you.  In Microsoft Word enter zzzz
then spell check it.  Check out the suggestion it gives.
>

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Boo:
>>Bradrich, do you have any pull with the editor of AS?

I haven't been following this thread, but does it help that I've been
on the editorial board of AS and know the editor pretty well?

Me:
>If any of you are looking for something to kill time with while at your
>computer, how about going to http://www.msstate.edu/ and seeing if you
>can find anywhere an academic calendar -- as in a schedule of when classes

And a kind wordsler came through immediately.  Or I think it was
immediately.  I forgot to look at the time on her header, and I've
been out socializing for the past six or seven hours.  Anyway, I got
the info earlier than I saw my posting in this digest.  And I am indeed
surprised that summer school is later this year.  But not so late that
it will keep me from Pest Fest.

Kind Wordsler:
>Barbara is Tony's wife. I couldn't think of Elaine's name.

This reminds me that I met an obstetrics nurse from Toronto on a bus in
NZ, but she doesn't think she helped deliver Emily or Simon.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> Happy Birthday!

The happiest!!

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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At 07:29 05.03.98 -0500, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>> Happy Birthday!
>
>The happiest!!
>

Khaire!

espen

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> >On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> >
> >> Happy Birthday!
> >
> >The happiest!!
> >
And many more and even happier ones!
ndh

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> But that's where it is. No one has made any plans or decisions. Elaine
> lost her suitcase and that's the last we heard. I don't know where
> she's staying, but I do remember she said she was going to change
> locations in midweek.

I think she said that she was staying near LA.

Betty

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Betty Clark said:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > But that's where it is. No one has made any plans or decisions. Elaine
> > lost her suitcase and that's the last we heard. I don't know where
> > she's staying, but I do remember she said she was going to change
> > locations in midweek.
>
> I think she said that she was staying near LA.

Close--Morgan Hill or Gilroy.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> This reminds me that I met an obstetrics nurse from Toronto on a bus in
> NZ, but she doesn't think she helped deliver Emily or Simon.

I just saw on TV that Auckland has been without electricity for three
weeks, with possibly another month to go, because the electric company
doesn't know what's wrong. Were you there? Was there electricity?

alyce

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Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> Khaire!

What he said.
alyce

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              98 11:37:58 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> I just saw on TV that Auckland has been without electricity for three
> weeks, with possibly another month to go, because the electric company
> doesn't know what's wrong. Were you there? Was there electricity?

She talked about it--I think it happened right before she left.
Coincidence or cause, you decide. (To be fair, I only figured out that
that was what she was talking about because I saw the headline on the
CNN web page. I didn't realize they didn't know what caused it. Bizarre.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Nancy Harwood said:
> > >On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> > >
> > >> Happy Birthday!
> > >
> > >The happiest!!
> > >
> And many more and even happier ones!

Me, too!

<signed>
Echo

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Karen:
>I didn't realize they didn't know what caused it. Bizarre.

Well, perhaps the electric company hasn't been able to figure
out what the problem is, but the piece I read made it quite
clear.  The Megalopolis That Is Auckland just grew a lot
faster that TMTIA's power grid.

In short (hah!), too many plugs in not enough outlets.

'Course I didn't read the article standing on my head, so
I may have it completely backwards.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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> >   I say we put Giggles on tee shirt detail.  I bet he knows where he can
> > get some second-hand.
>
> But they will probably have a picture of a mortuary on them.
> Betty
>

This is an excellent idea.  I am arranging a cemetery tour of the
environs, BTW.  The services of the guide will be <gratis>.
--ggs

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 01:11 05.03.98 +0100, Roy Jaques wrote:
>>= I was thinking that we might make it a two-part event: on July 3 the
>>= official WienerWord meeting is at the Prater where we will take the
>>= Riesenrad, look for the third man, and in general have fun, and on July 4
>>= those of us who want to can cruise down the Danube to BudaPest for a fest.
>>
>>Well then, most certainly I should put the Riesenrad as the city marker
>>for Wien on the t-shirt.
>>
>>So far, it looks like you, me, Natalie and Norman, and my friends.
>
>You have friends ? Pat ?
>
>>I've
>>heard from Roy, and I hope he doesn't mind if I say, but he has problems
>>with the early date.
>
>I could probably make the end of Espens trip to Hungary though.
>Around the 10th wasn't it ? Should I go there would be space in
>the car for a passenger or two.
>

I will probably have to leave from the same airport where I arrive, so if I
fly in to Vienna I will have to go back that way. I will probably be
leaving Debrecen on the 10th but things aren't quite decided yet. I might
even bring my children.

espen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> She talked about it--I think it happened right before she left.
> Coincidence or cause, you decide. (To be fair, I only figured out that
> that was what she was talking about because I saw the headline on the
> CNN web page. I didn't realize they didn't know what caused it. Bizarre.

Don't know how I missed this. I usually read every word of everything by
everybody. Maybe I didn't understand because I hadn't seen CNN. But this
is a very interesting thing to me, and I'm surprised it hasn't been much
in the news. I only learned it today on the financial news, vis-a-vis
the problems of the Pacific countries. Seems lots of businesses in NZ
are really suffering, as I can well understand!

alyce

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Richard Scheidt wrote:
>
> In short (hah!), too many plugs in not enough outlets.

Sounds good to me. I mean, it's not all that complicated. But that's
what they said on CNBC--"cause unknown." Made it sound like there was a
frayed little wire somewhere that they'd have to find, like a needle in
a haystack.

alyce

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On  5 Mar 98 at 11:37, Alyce Cresap  wrote:

> I just saw on TV that Auckland has been without electricity for three
> weeks, with possibly another month to go, because the electric company
> doesn't know what's wrong. Were you there? Was there electricity?

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19.61.html#subj1

Tony H.

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Tony Harminc wrote:
>
> http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19.61.html#subj1

Thanks, Tony. I knew I could count on you. So, we can blame el Nino for
this too.

alyce

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On  5 Mar 98 at 12:54, Natalie Maynor  wrote:

> Can you do open-jaw things with ff tickets?

Generally, yes.  But there are all sorts of airline-specific rules.

Tony H.

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On  4 Mar 98 at 22:17, Richard Scheidt  wrote:

> >AKA "instant heart attack".
>
> Isn't there a law that you gotta say that in French?

Only in Quebec.

Tony H.

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On  4 Mar 98 at 20:33, Karen Kay  wrote:

> So was I right? I know that Tony's wife is named Barbara, but I have
> no knowledge of any of her suitcases. I know several other Barbaras,
> and I don't know about their suitcases either.

I have no knowledge of any Barbaras' suitcases either.  Or mine, for
that matter - haven't seen them since we started renovating.

Tony H.

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              5, 98 03:51:03 pm

Tony Harminc said:
> On  4 Mar 98 at 22:17, Richard Scheidt  wrote:
> > >AKA "instant heart attack".
> >
> > Isn't there a law that you gotta say that in French?
>
> Only in Quebec.

So far.:)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On  5 Mar 98 at 12:55, Karen Kay  wrote:

> > > Isn't there a law that you gotta say that in French?
> >
> > Only in Quebec.
>
> So far.:)

Huh ?

Tony H.

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Tony:
>http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19.61.html#subj1
        ^^^^^^^
How's the adoption going?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Alyce:
>I just saw on TV that Auckland has been without electricity for three
>weeks, with possibly another month to go, because the electric company
>doesn't know what's wrong. Were you there? Was there electricity?

In answer to the two questions, yes to the first, not much to the second.
I had considered a few days earlier trying to change my return flight to
enable me to spend an extra day in Auckland (since I was there only two
non-consecutive nights, with no real time to explore the city).  I then
decided it was too much trouble to try to change the flight.  That was a
wise decision.  Luckily, the strange little hotel I was staying in managed
to keep power while I was there, but most of the city was without power.
I walked down to the busiest part of town that last night and found
everything closed except for the little Internet place that I sent some
quick mail from.  All businesses, restaurants, etc. were being ordered to
stay closed.  Many hotels were totally without electricity.  Etc.  It
would not have been a good time for an extended stay in Auckland.

When I was through Auckland on my way up to the Bay of Islands, they had
lost maybe 50% of the power (half the cables down).  When I was back there
a couple of days later, that last night of my NZ trip, they had lost all
but one small cable, which they feared might go out at any time.  I read
somewhere that they still had 20% power that Sunday but read somewhere else
that it was 10%.  The authorities were trying to keep that for emergency
services like hospitals.  (The power went off in one hospital during a
bunch of surgeries.  Fun.)  Auckland University was totally blackened,
lots of people in various places got stuck on elevators, etc. etc.

Karen:
>She talked about it--I think it happened right before she left.

Did I?  I didn't remember that.

> I didn't realize they didn't know what caused it. Bizarre.

Sloppy maintenance is what I heard/read.  But people did find it pretty
bizarre that the sloppily maintained cables started going out at the same
time.  My unscientific mind would guess that that might be because as
some cables failed, the others felt strained, but nobody mentioned that.
And nobody asked me for my wise analysis.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Alyce:
> and I'm surprised it hasn't been much
>in the news.

It has been in the news in Tokyo regularly since my return -- at least
little update blurbs, sometime longer articles, in the Asia/Pacific
section of my newspaper.

> Seems lots of businesses in NZ
>are really suffering, as I can well understand!

Auckland businesses have been trying to move their operations elsewhere.
A good many managed to move to Wellington.  At least one moved all the
way to Australia (presumably it had a branch there).

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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This is probably not relevant to most of you but I don't know where else
to send it so please forgive me.  I received an email from this list
recently.  I am not subscribed to it but am subscribed to another
mailing list on the same server (humor@uga.cc.uga.edu).  I am guessing
that this was caused by a glitch in the list server software.  I checked
the welcome messages from the humor list and couldn't find anything
about where to report technical problems.  can anyone help me out?

tnx
Dave

--
Dave Vandervies
email: daveva@earthling.net

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In-Reply-To:  <199803060002.JAA04187@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Mar
              6, 98 09:13:34 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> I walked down to the busiest part of town that last night and found
> everything closed except for the little Internet place that I sent some
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> quick mail from.  All businesses, restaurants, etc. were being ordered to
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> stay closed.  Many hotels were totally without electricity.  Etc.  It
> would not have been a good time for an extended stay in Auckland.
...
>
> Karen:
> >She talked about it--I think it happened right before she left.
>
> Did I?  I didn't remember that.

Some of the 'quick mail' was to us.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      BULLETIN FOR HEATHER AND HOPE
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I showed Jim Farrell your note about Gallaudet visit, Heather.  He is
not due in DC until Monday.  If you are still around then, give details
in e-mail to Hope (hoped@mindspring.com).  Hope, The Sage of Okoboji
is on schedule and has sent you a message confirming your dinner date.

          MY LUNCH WITH JIM

Resourceful guy that he is, Farrell found his way to campus and the main
library, got directions to my outpost, and made his way there.  I greeted
him on the sidewalk with a crisp salute (aided in identification by Kenn
C. Miller's timely photoportraiture on the internet).  We went to Lynagh's
Irish pub to grab a bite, and before you could say Prosze Pana, it was almost
five o'clock.  I allowed him to head for West Virginia only on the condition
that he spend more time in Lexington on the return leg of the trip.

Am I only the second Wordsler (after Bookrate) to ftf with the Commandante?
Some of you (Hope, Phyllis, ggs, Bill, maybe the Atlantic Island crew) are
in for a treat. Over the course of a simple tavern meal, he will take you
from Dow dividend yields to two-ocean naval strategy.  Great stories.  He
does have a tendency to flirt shamelessly with waitresses and coeds, but,
hey, we all have character flaws.

Jim asked me to say hello to the usual suspects on the list.  Oh, "J.J."
the black Labrador is a worthy mate to The Sage of Okoboji and is, as I
hereby attest, truly trilingual.

brad

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Subject:      hiring - help!
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I will be hiring a  subordinate in the near future ( a job that's been vacant
due to hiring freeze since 1994)

Anyone have any favorite interview questions they can share?

I need to find out if person can be a real generalist, do some technical work,
work in team environment, supervise others, fill in for me, do some writing,
investigate situations when necessary, etc, etc

Mary
MSaviola@aol.com

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Shoo Le Pew
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Larry Clark wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Paul Kuritz wrote:
> > Moth balls or coyote urine.
>
> I second the moth ball idea. I have no idea who or what my source
> was, but I have heard they do work.

Problem with mothballs is, they smell so freaking nasty.

My grandmother had mothballs in her house.  It gets into
everything.  Her *food* tastes like mothballs.

Marie

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              from "Marie" at Mar 5, 98 10:15:07 pm

Marie said:
> Problem with mothballs is, they smell so freaking nasty.

That's why they work.

> My grandmother had mothballs in her house.  It gets into
> everything.  Her *food* tastes like mothballs.

But these will be outside the house, right? W/ better ventilation.
It'll be okay.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <8e7e785.34ff6054@aol.com> from "MaryDot" at Mar 5, 98 09:32:50 pm

MaryDot said:
> I need to find out if person can be a real generalist, do some technical work,
> work in team environment, supervise others, fill in for me, do some writing,
> investigate situations when necessary, etc, etc

Well, interviews are a crapshoot. Some people interview well and never
perform. Some people interview badly and perform well. The best thing
is to ask about situations... I think this is called behavioral
interviewing? Anyway, it works pretty well.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: MaryDot <MaryDot@AOL.COM>
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In a message dated 98-03-05 22:24:58 EST, you write:

<< Well, interviews are a crapshoot. Some people interview well and never
 perform. Some people interview badly and perform well. The best thing
 is to ask about situations... I think this is called behavioral
 interviewing? Anyway, it works pretty well.

 Karen
   karen@wordwrite.com >>

Thanks, I think I will try "How would you handle this situation. . . . type
questions.
Interviews can be a very poor predictor of future performance.
If I can find someone fairly compatible, that will be a help.
My candidate field is laid-off state workers who have a bachelor's degree in
anything.
So this should be interesting.

Mary
MSaviola@aol.com

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From: Elaine Brennan <elaine@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
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In-Reply-To:  <199803051541.HAA27405@mail3.netcom.com> from "Karen Kay" at Mar
              5, 98 07:40:49 am

Karen Kay said:
>
> Betty Clark said:
> > On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > But that's where it is. No one has made any plans or decisions. Elaine
> > > lost her suitcase and that's the last we heard. I don't know where
> > > she's staying, but I do remember she said she was going to change
> > > locations in midweek.
> >
> > I think she said that she was staying near LA.
>
> Close--Morgan Hill or Gilroy.
>
well, I was exaggerating a bit about the LA part ... I'm at the Holiday
Inn on Silicon Valley Boulevard.  and my suitcase did finally show up -
so if my cold behaves, I'd be interested in seeing folks friday or
saturday. sunday I have to pick a colleague up at the airport at about
1:30, which sort of puts a dent in the day more generally.

right now, I'm going to attempt to find something that will resemble a
dinner, without resorting either to the dreadful steakhouse across the
parking lot or total fast food ...

later, folks.

--Elaine

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In-Reply-To:  <64c54fa6.34ff6e00@aol.com> from "MaryDot" at Mar 5,
              98 10:31:09 pm

MaryDot said:
> Thanks, I think I will try "How would you handle this situation. . . . type
> questions.

I hate making these up, but these are really useful.

> If I can find someone fairly compatible, that will be a help.

Well, I have to say that my one criterion for interviews is having
them be fun. If I can have real communication with the interviewer,
I'll be happy to work for them. It's my own personal predictor. YMMV.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, MaryDot wrote:

> I need to find out if person can be a real generalist, do some technical work,
> work in team environment, supervise others, fill in for me, do some writing,
> investigate situations when necessary, etc, etc

What's the name of the company?

-aht

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> well, I was exaggerating a bit about the LA part ... I'm at the Holiday
> Inn on Silicon Valley Boulevard.

That is one of the most misnamed roads in the Bay Area.  It's nowhere near
any part of what one would think of as Silicon Valley, except for IBM's
site on Cottle.

> right now, I'm going to attempt to find something that will resemble a
> dinner, without resorting either to the dreadful steakhouse across the
> parking lot or total fast food ...

> --Elaine

Finding a real dinner will be a challenge where you are.  I saw some
interesting-looking taquerias on Monterey Road, though, when I was driving
by there a couple of weeks ago.

Ken Miller
Department of Theoretical Practicalities
Sannuzay Cold Elision Facility

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      cow's head
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Remember a few months ago when I was so shocked to see a cow's head at
the grocery? Well, tonight, totally by accident, I came upon a recipe
for preparing same. The funny thing is that the recipe is in a cookbook
put out by the Junior League in Charleston, SC, and I can't envision
those southern society belles preparing cow's (well, actually it's a
calf) head.

If you ever get one, though, here's what you do:
Soak calf's head overnight in salt water. Boil with parsley, thyme, and
nutmeg until thoroughly done. Cool and cut it up into small pieces. Make
brown gravy, put 1 cup bread crumbs and 3 chopped-up hard-boiled eggs
into it. Mix chopped calf's head thoroughly with the gravy. Put mixture
into greased baking dish, cover lightly with cracker crumbs, and bake at
350F until browned, about 35 minutes. Serves 6.

Gork!
alyce
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

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In-Reply-To:  <34FF8EDB.1469E669@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 6,
              98 00:51:23 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Gork!

Is that the Swedish name for it?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Auckland and Budapest
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen:
>> everything closed except for the little Internet place that I sent some
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> quick mail from.  All businesses, restaurants, etc. were being ordered to
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[snip]
>Some of the 'quick mail' was to us.

I remember sending mail to y'all, but I don't remember what it said.

Various People:
[various things about Pest Fest]

What is the timing appearing to look like at this point?  I've been
getting confused.  If it's right at the 4th, I'll need to fly straight
to Budapest, which is not a bad idea anyway, since the earliest I can
leave is probably the 3rd.  But if it's sometime like the 10th or
whatever other dates people have mentioned, I'll probably make the
flight to somewhere like Paris or Amsterdam.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Alyce Cresap said:
> > Gork!
>
> Is that the Swedish name for it?

No, it's more the sound of my choking and gagging at the thought.

alyce

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Elaine Plans II
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Well, if we're going to get together, somebody better make plans.  I'm
going to be away from my desk most of tomorrow, and I have plans for
tomorrow night, so I'm probably not the person to do it. I'm free
after 10AM on Saturday morning. Do we want to just meet in Millbrae
again and do dim sum? Do we want to go into the city and do something
more exciting?

I am going to sleep because I have to leave my house at 6:45 tomorrow
morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans II
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>Well, if we're going to get together, somebody better make plans.  I'm
>going to be away from my desk most of tomorrow, and I have plans for
>tomorrow night, so I'm probably not the person to do it. I'm free
>after 10AM on Saturday morning. Do we want to just meet in Millbrae
>again and do dim sum? Do we want to go into the city and do something
>more exciting?

Which city? :)

I'm busy until about 2:00PM Saturday, but anything after that would be
excellent.

>I am going to sleep because I have to leave my house at 6:45 tomorrow
>morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.
>
>Karen

Tell me about it.  But I suppose I should just be grateful that I don't
have JMW's shift.

Ken Miller
Department of Time Studies

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Auckland and Budapest
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In-Reply-To:  <199803060606.PAA25441@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Mar
              6, 98 03:17:19 pm

=
= What is the timing appearing to look like at this point?  I've been
= getting confused.
=
=  -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

Well, that's not surprising since we haven't agreed on anything yet.
So far, though, it looks like if it's around the 4th, Roy can't make it,
and if it's around the 10th I can't make it.  No one has any idea what
Norman's plans are.  You have obviously not made plans yet.  Espen can
make either.  No other voices have been heard from, if I recall
correctly.   I have already once made the suggestion that we turn things
into a weekslong travelling fete, meaning I could meet Espen in Vienna
around the 4th, meet you in Amsterdam (maybe with Roy) say, the 7th, and
then you all could do what you wanted in Budapest/Vienna with Espen
around the 10th.  Then, of course there's Norman (this is beginning to
remind me of a Monty Python sketch...).

steph

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
Subject:      Re: cow's head
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

  Alyce Cresap wrote:

 >Remember a few months ago when I was so shocked
 >to see a cow's head at the grocery? Well, tonight,
 >totally by accident, I came upon a recipe for
 >preparing same.

  I've seen this, but what really threw me was when
I came across cow's head as a vegetarian dish - you
know how some vegetarians like to serve vegetarian
"steaks" or "hamburgers", using some protein-rich
stuff that isn't meat - and at this place they served
"Vetetarian Calf's Head with nuts and raisins". The vegetarian I was with thought this was gross, but I've
since heard that it's a big hit with some vegetarians, who laugh a lot as they chew on the "head". Maybe it
has grapes for eyes, who knows? Vegetarians can be
weird.

  Arnold W.

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Birthday Boy Bill
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I wonder if it's because he's been doing all that running around to movies
and stuff that Bill hasn't been doing much wee-hours e-mailing lately.  I
miss that.  Sometimes his wee-hours e-mailing would push a new digest into
life here in prime-nighttime Tokyo.  But it's back to pretty much no mail
of any kind at night now.

I'm happy to report that the snow that was forecast for this afternoon
hasn't shown up yet.  I hope it doesn't come tomorrow since I've got to
be out and about helping a group set up things for some kind of guitar-
related English-speaking somethingorother.  And I hope even more for
decent weather Sunday since that's when I'm going to Mt. Takao to watch
priests walk on burning embers.  The audience is invited to walk on them
later, but I think I'll decline.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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= miss that.  Sometimes his wee-hours e-mailing would push a new digest into
= life here in prime-nighttime Tokyo.  But it's back to pretty much no mail
= of any kind at night now.

Since the average per day for the last month is just under 70k, and you
are checking your mail anyway, may I suggest that you set MAIL?

Since you're the one who heard from Norman, will you ask him what
he's planning for his trip this summer, or simply tell him to get in
touch with the rest of us?

steph

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> interesting-looking taquerias on Monterey Road, though, when I was
driving

What are taquerias?

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans II
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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.
           ^^^^^

Is he related to Gork?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Twee WLM
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I just cranked up IE4 after reinstalling it yesterday, and on my default
Start page at MS I got this:
thing of the day [[ MAPI 1.0 storage : 3091 in WINMAIL.DAT ]] [[ MAPI 1.0
storage : 3092 in WINMAIL.DAT ]]   [[ MAPI 1.0 storage : 3093 in
WINMAIL.DAT ]]


merriam - webster twee | TWEE | adjective  chiefly British : affectedly
or excessively dainty, delicate, cute, or quaint   Oh baby! There's a lot
more to learn about twee at Merriam-Webster OnLine
</isapi/bin/redir.dll?target=http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/mwwod.pl&MERRIAMWE
BSTER&>.
====
I have a feeling the hyperlink won't work.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:

> What are taquerias?

A place that makes tacos, silly. I'm guessing that California hasn't been
beseiged by the "Esquina Tacos" craze we're currently fattening under.
Their tacos probably have shit like avocados and sprouts in them. The
Esquina Taquerias are modeled on the style of a Reynosa street vendor's
taco stand, usually about 100 square feet inside. Only cooking tools are a
rotating Trompo cooker and a steel griddle.

Woops, look at the time.

-aht

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From: J L Speranza <jls@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Subject:      Quote of the day, etymologies, and so-called usage.
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Dear all,
I'm new to this list, and have found it very interesting. Is anyone on the
list in alt.usage.English. Everytime I try to connect through Yahoo, I seem
to fail. Could someone please explain to me (private email welcome) how it
(or newsgroups in general) work, in terms of subscription? Also I tried to
consult the FAQ (hope that's the correct abbreviation. Was does it stand
for: "file..."), and succeeded once, but have now forgotten the reference (I
was looking for AASCI version of the International Phonetic Alphabet). I
suspect newsgroups require a special technology I may not be provided with,
but I don't know of a mailing list group where they discuss, say, quotes of
the day, proverbs (as from The Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs, Quotations,
etc), etymologies and tricky questions of so-called usage? Many thanks for
your help.

J L Speranza (Jorge-Luis)
Buenos Aires, Argentina

PS. I tried to find a nice quote (from Cohen's Dictionary of Quotations,
Penguin) to send with this, but found them all too philosophical. Perhaps
you have discussed the best of them all already. Perhaps, "In the beginning
was the Word".

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Taco Bells Palsy
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> > What are taquerias?
>
> A place that makes tacos, silly.

How'm I supposed to know that? I never learned Spanish, so the switch
from c to que utterly confused me.

Plus, what passes for Mexican food around here is not high up on my list
of favorites. I don't like food smothered in sauces scabbed over with
melted cheese.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
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In-Reply-To:  <34FFEC13@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Mar 6, 98 07:26:00 am

Hartfield Adam said:
> > interesting-looking taquerias on Monterey Road, though, when I was
> driving
>
> What are taquerias?

Places that sell tacos. There are also burritorias. Btw, it's taqueRIa.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans II
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              from "Phyllis C. Petree" at Mar 6, 98 07:56:14 am

Phyllis C. Petree said:
> On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.
>            ^^^^^
>
> Is he related to Gork?

Cousins, I believe. Gork is more vomitous.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Note to Adam
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I am not fond of American Mexican food, either. But it's everywhere
here.

Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
are being checked as we speak.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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> I am not fond of American Mexican food, either. But it's everywhere
> here.

It's rare here. Up in Noho they have some places, but that's 15 miles
north. There's Casa de Nana in Spfld which I've been to a few times, but
it's nothing special.

> Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
> are being checked as we speak.

Model, year, and milage of the Honda?

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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Hartfield Adam said:
> Model, year, and milage of the Honda?

A Fenry clone: 1985 Accord hatchback, 60K on this engine. ONE
owner. With records. Who did their own work. $200 above trade-in
value.

I'm on my way to take it to AAA.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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<http://www.eeggs.com/>

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Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>
> > interesting-looking taquerias on Monterey Road, though, when I was
> driving
>
> What are taquerias?

Places that serve Mexican finger food like tacos and burritos. The Bay
Area probably has more of them than burger joints.

Verdant

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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>
> > What are taquerias?
>
> A place that makes tacos, silly. I'm guessing that California hasn't been
> beseiged by the "Esquina Tacos" craze we're currently fattening under.
> Their tacos probably have shit like avocados and sprouts in them. The
> Esquina Taquerias are modeled on the style of a Reynosa street vendor's
> taco stand, usually about 100 square feet inside. Only cooking tools are a
> rotating Trompo cooker and a steel griddle.

Nope, I suspect you'd recognize our taquerias in a heartbeat. In the
good ones, you can get specialty meats like tongue. I've never seen one
with avocados or sprouts, although they do, of course, have guacamole.

Verdant

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> > rotating Trompo cooker and a steel griddle.
>
> Nope, I suspect you'd recognize our taquerias in a heartbeat. In the
> good ones, you can get specialty meats like tongue. I've never seen one
> with avocados or sprouts, although they do, of course, have guacamole.
>
> Verdant

I can't think of a taqueria in my neighborhood where I *can't* get cabesa,
sesos, or lengua.

I've never seen a taco with avocados or sprouts in it.

I have no idea what a rotating Trompo cooker is.

Ken Miller
Organoleptics Department
California Institute of Haughty Cuisine

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At 10:11 AM 03/06/1998 -0300, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>I'm new to this list, and have found it very interesting. Is anyone on the
>list in alt.usage.English. Everytime I try to connect through Yahoo, I seem
>to fail. Could someone please explain to me (private email welcome) how it
>(or newsgroups in general) work, in terms of subscription? Also I tried to
>consult the FAQ (hope that's the correct abbreviation. Was does it stand
>for: "file..."), and succeeded once, but have now forgotten the reference (I
>was looking for AASCI version of the International Phonetic Alphabet). I
>suspect newsgroups require a special technology I may not be provided with,
>but I don't know of a mailing list group where they discuss, say, quotes of
>the day, proverbs (as from The Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs, Quotations,
>etc), etymologies and tricky questions of so-called usage? Many thanks for
>your help.
>
>J L Speranza (Jorge-Luis)
>Buenos Aires, Argentina
>
>PS. I tried to find a nice quote (from Cohen's Dictionary of Quotations,
>Penguin) to send with this, but found them all too philosophical. Perhaps
>you have discussed the best of them all already. Perhaps, "In the beginning
>was the Word".
>
Welcome Jorge,

  We are a discussion of most any topic. Please free to ask and maybe you
will get an answer.


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
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Bookrat wrote:
>
> I can't think of a taqueria in my neighborhood where I *can't* get cabesa,
> sesos, or lengua.

Here in SF, the taquerias in the Mission and other Latino neighborhoods
have those meats. The ones out here in the white/Asian Avenues don't,
more's the pity.

Verdant

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Dave Vandervies wrote:

> This is probably not relevant to most of you but I don't know where else
> to send it so please forgive me.  I received an email from this list
> recently.  I am not subscribed to it but am subscribed to another
> mailing list on the same server (humor@uga.cc.uga.edu).  I am guessing
> that this was caused by a glitch in the list server software.  I checked
> the welcome messages from the humor list and couldn't find anything
> about where to report technical problems.  can anyone help me out?

I think it is one and the same.

Betty

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
> are being checked as we speak.

What colour?

Betty

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> >Well, if we're going to get together, somebody better make plans.  I'm
> >going to be away from my desk most of tomorrow, and I have plans for
> >tomorrow night, so I'm probably not the person to do it. I'm free
> >after 10AM on Saturday morning. Do we want to just meet in Millbrae
> >again and do dim sum? Do we want to go into the city and do something
> >more exciting?
>
> Which city? :)
>
> I'm busy until about 2:00PM Saturday, but anything after that would be
> excellent.

We're busy at 2 pm Saturday but probably wouldn't drive to San Jose in the
rain anyway so carry on.

What happened to Sunday in San Francisco?

Betty

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, gilbertsmith wrote:

> > >   I say we put Giggles on tee shirt detail.  I bet he knows where he can
> > > get some second-hand.
> >
> > But they will probably have a picture of a mortuary on them.
> > Betty
> >
>
> This is an excellent idea.  I am arranging a cemetery tour of the
> environs, BTW.  The services of the guide will be <gratis>.

I feel badly that Natalie is going to miss this. I'm REALLY getting
excited now!

Betty

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 6, 98 08:57:56 am

Betty Clark said:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
> > are being checked as we speak.
>
> What colour?

Uh-oh. Is this your British persona? Grey.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 6, 98 08:57:15 am

Betty Clark said:
> What happened to Sunday in San Francisco?

Elaine couldn't make it. GWTP, Bad Senile Betty.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      TITANIC (Humor) Hit delete if you have work to do!! (fwd)
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This came from an auditor?!

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Subject: TITANIC (Humor) Hit delete if you have work to do!!

I understand this is making the rounds on the internet.  Who

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TITANIC: The Short Version

   (Scene 1)
  KATE WINSLET: Why, this is a fancy boat, isn't it?

  KATE'S WEASELLY FIANCE: Yes it certainly is. Here is the art you
  asked for. It is by an artist named 'Picasso.' I am certain he will
  amount to nothing.

  KATE: Ha ha ha. That is very funny to our '90s audience, because of
  course Picasso later amounted to quite a bit, after this boat sank.

  LEONARDO DICAPRIO: Hello, I'm Leonardo DiCaprio. Perhaps you have
  seen the many Internet sites dedicated to the worship of me. You are
  very pretty.

  KATE: Thank you. So are you.

  LEONARDO: I know. Prettier than you, in fact. I am going to put on my
  'brooding' face now, to ensure that women will keep coming back
  again and again to see this movie. Later, my white shirt will be
  soaking wet.

  KATE: While you're doing that, I will concentrate on standing here
  and looking pretty, to keep the men in the audience interested until
  the boat sinks and people start dying.

  WEASELLY FIANCE: Excuse me. I do not like you, Leonardo, even though
  you saved my fiancee's life. I am going to sneer at you and treat you
  like dirt because you're poor, and then I'll probably be physically
  abusive to my fiancee, and then, just to make sure the audience really
  hates me, and to make sure my character is entirely one-dimensional,
  perhaps I'll throw an elderly person into the water.

  AUDIENCE: Boo! We hate you! Even though all real people have at least
  afew admirable qualities, we have not been shown any of yours, and
  plus, you're trying to come between Leonardo and Kate, and so
  therefore we hate you! Boo! (Even though technically it is Leonardo who
  is coming between you and Kate. But Leonardo is handsomer than you, even
  though he is only 13, so we are on his side. Boo!)

  * * *
  (Scene 2)

  LEONARDO: I'm glad we snuck away like this so that you could cheat on
  your fiance.

  KATE: So am I. Even though I am engaged to him and have made a
  commitment to marry him, that is no reason why you and I cannot have
  sex together. The fact that I am the heroine of the movie will no
  doubt help the cattle-like audience forgive me of this, though they
  would probably be VERY angry indeed if my fiance were to do the same
  thing to me.

  AUDIENCE: Darn straight we would! Moo! We mean, Boo!

  LEONARDO: I agree. First I would like to draw you, though, so of
  course you will have to take off all your clothes.

  KATE: All right, then. (sound of clothes hitting the floor)

  * * *
  (Scene 3)

  FIRST MATE: Captain, we're about to hit an iceberg.

  CAPTAIN: Great, I could use some ice for my drink. (sound of drinking)

  ICEBERG: (hits boat)

  FIRST MATE: That can't be good.

  CAPTAIN: Bottoms up!

  AUDIENCE: (silence)

  FIRST MATE: That was irony, you fools.

  AUDIENCE: Baa! Moo! Where's Leonardo?

  * * *
  (Scene 4)
  LEONARDO: I have been informed that this boat is sinking.

  KATE: That is terrible.

  LEONARDO: Would you like to engage in some more immoral-but-justified
  behavior?

  KATE: Certainly.

  WEASELLY FIANCE: Excuse me, I --

  AUDIENCE: Boo! Boo!

  WEASELLY FIANCE: (aside) I'm getting the raw end of the deal here.
 (to Leonardo) Listen, Leonardo, to cement my morally-dubious-yet-
  somehow-less-annoying-than-you personality, I am going to handcuff you
  to this pipe, here in a room that will soon be filling with
  water, due to the fact that we are sinking, which I believe has been
  mentioned previously.

  LEONARDO: Why don't you just shoot me?

  WEASELLY FIANCE: Because then you wouldn't be able to escape and save
  Kate from me. Of course, you're going to die anyway--

  AUDIENCE: Don't spoil it for us! Boo!

  LEONARDO: He's right, though. I am doomed.

  AUDIENCE: Aww, look how cute he is when he's doomed.

  WEASELLY FIANCE: I hate you people.

  * * *
  (Scene 5)
  150-YEAR-OLD KATE: And that's when Leonardo rescued me from my evil
  fiance and helped me float on a board in the water. Of course, if it
  hadn't been for having to rescue HIM, I could have gotten on an
  actual lifeboat, and not frozen my legs nearly off. Anyway, he's
  pretty much dead now, and I'm well over a thousand years old, and
  who's making my supper? I need a bath. Turn down that Enya music,  it's
  making my ears hurt. You kids today, with your loud music. Why,  when I
  was -- hey!  Don't  you walk away from me, Mr. Snooty- Patootie! I'd
  turn you over my knee, if I had one. I'll beat you in  the head with
  this huge diamond!  Come back here!  (Fade to black;  roll credits; play
  annoying Celine Dion song.)


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From: Bill Holler <holler@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Thanks for the Happy Birthdays
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Thank you so much for the good whishes on the occasion of my 62nd,
which was March 4th.

I believe it started with you Betty and went on to Nancy, Karen,
Espen (explain exactly what khiare means, svp) Phyllis, Alyce and
Natalie.  And much obliged (as Dad used to say) to any others I may
have missed.

I figure (counting nine months backwards from March 4th, 1936) that
it must have been a hot night on July 4th, 1935, that I was
concEIved (i before e, except after c--forget that shit).

So, I am the end result of a heat of passion in the heat of a July
night in South Carolina.  I like to think that the best, strongest
and most agressive of Daddy's  sperm, getting there first, hit that
egg with a nuclearesque blast.

And like the da Vinci Venus-On-The-Half-Shell,  embryonic Bill was
created.

OK.  If it ain't da Vinci, who was it?

I have no fear,
That I'll soon hear,
'Cause wordslers are wordslers,
And they are here.

Bill

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Mar  6 12:07:49 1998
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Subject:      Re: Birthday Boy Bill
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Natalie said:

> I wonder if it's because he's been doing all that running around to movies
> and stuff that Bill hasn't been doing much wee-hours e-mailing lately.  I
> miss that.  Sometimes his wee-hours e-mailing would push a new digest into
> life here in prime-nighttime Tokyo.  But it's back to pretty much no mail
> of any kind at night now.

Holler Ral NC USA:  Hi there Natalie, and everybody else, for that
matter.  How did you know that the 4th was my birthday?  Yep, I'm 62
and ain't down yet.

True, I *did* just stop a lot of what I was doing (mostly at the
computer, responding to and initiating conversations, words-l and
back-channel private), paying bills with online banking, and dealing
with the system of hospitals at Duke (mainly monitoring insurance
reimbursements and applying for status as a <hardship case>).

My bills and other expenses are so high, if I achieve this status,
they will write off what I owe, (we're talking nearly $4000) or a
portion of it, and I can begin to save a little--for maybe a trip, or
have some <mad money> for fun stuff (i.e., with something other than
maintenance and surviving brain tumors as its focus).

All of the above has taken a lot of my time, but I still do some late
hour writing.  Tatoeba (por ejemplo, zum beispiel, for example,
for the unfortunate ones <locked> in one language), last night from 3
to 5 am EST I wrote an epistle to my cousin.

It was too long (as I usually am) but I *owed* her a good e-mail
letter.

Everyday I think about Shoshana and Morgan, Sylvia and Keith
(during all that she went through I was out of the loop for one
reason or the other, but I still feel bad about not <being there> and
offering her words of encouragement.

I need to write them both.

Shoshana, by the way, the book came through fine and my sister is
delighted with it.

I owe Betty Clark a note on the topic of Where's Karsten.  Betty,
don't give up; I'll write yet.

There's so much going on in this crazy country and around the world,
I'd like to put my two cents worth in on all of the topics.  But
there's only so much time that I can.

I'm now in my sixth week with a new chemo-therapy.  So far so
good--no adverse side effects and none expected by the doctors.

I go once a week to have my blood monitored for white cell count and
liver and kidney function.  I feel good about their keeping a close
watch on things.

Yet, there goes one of my afternoons, and it's to last a year, with a
brain scan (MRI) every two months.  The blood work is done here in
Raleigh, but I have to go to Duke for the MRI along with consultation
with the two doctors.

But that makes me feel good that they keep a close watch on things.

I haven't felt better in years--partly due perhaps to the new chemo,
and partly due to breaking out of the (negative) mode of cabin fever
and going to those movies, and some change in my diet and medication.

I watched a four hour movie the other night on TV--A Matter of
Justice, a four or five-year-old one, with a wonderful performance
by Patty Duke.

But I promise to try to do better, especially with the
late-nite-stuff in the future.

Now I've got to go get dressed and get out of the house.  I'll take
my bath tomorrow--no time to do both.

SayOOnara,

Bill
Yes, as in Clinton--a man whom, in a very human sort of way, I admire
most in the world right now.

>
> I'm happy to report that the snow that was forecast for this afternoon
> hasn't shown up yet.  I hope it doesn't come tomorrow since I've got to
> be out and about helping a group set up things for some kind of guitar-
> related English-speaking somethingorother.  And I hope even more for
> decent weather Sunday since that's when I'm going to Mt. Takao to watch
> priests walk on burning embers.  The audience is invited to walk on them
> later, but I think I'll decline.
>
>  -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)
>

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: cow's head
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Arnold Wittinger wrote:
> Maybe it has grapes for eyes, who knows? Vegetarians can be
> weird.

My father was in a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital (my local hometown
hospital) over Thanksgiving once, and they had vegetarian turkeys. I
don't know what they were made of, but they were some sort of mush
pressed into a turkey shaped mold. Bizarr-o.

alyce

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Note to Adam
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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
> > > are being checked as we speak.
> >
> > What colour?
>
> Uh-oh. Is this your British persona? Grey.

My mother was born in Canada.

Betty

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Elaine Plans?
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Janet W. Hardy wrote:
>
> Nope, I suspect you'd recognize our taquerias in a heartbeat. In the
> good ones, you can get specialty meats like tongue. I've never seen one
> with avocados or sprouts, although they do, of course, have guacamole.

Any made with calves' heads?

alyce

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thanks for the Happy Birthdays
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At 01:51 PM 03/06/1998 -0500, you wrote:

>And like the da Vinci Venus-On-The-Half-Shell,  embryonic Bill was
>created.
>
>OK.  If it ain't da Vinci, who was it?

Botticelli


>
>I have no fear,
>That I'll soon hear,
>'Cause wordslers are wordslers,
>And they are here.
>
>Bill
>
>
alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Subject:      Re: Thanks for the Happy Birthdays
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Bill Holler wrote:
>
> OK.  If it ain't da Vinci, who was it?

Botticelli.

alyce

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From: floreant <floreant@WCLYNX.COM>
Subject:      house still standing
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

twenty-four hours after leaving the hotel in dublin, we arrived home
at midnight wednesday.  it was a lovely trip; it was a long
trip. return delayed two days because of a flu himself was kind
enough to bequeath to me when he was finished with it.

i saved the doctor's letter the airlines required to change the
reservations. letterhead identified the lovely young doctor who made
a house (?) call to the hotel as clifden's coroner.

venice, siena, and rome in italy.  the chronological order matches my
preferences.

dublin, ballinasloe, galway, and clifden in ireland.  reverse the
schedule for favorites.

whtm to follow, although not immediately, since we're going to the
city tomorrow for the, uh, irish festival  and then to friends and
family to deliver gifts.  and maybe show a few pictures.

there are about 25 rolls still to be developed.  and we're almost
unpacked.

now, how do you get mold out of a blazer?

maureen

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From: Sent from The Internet Cafe <guest@MAIL.ALOHA-CAFE.COM>
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I have been out of the loop since February 23 and, although I
don't think anyone has noticed, thought I'd stick my head
in and say hello.  I am sitting in a little cafe on Kapahulu
Avenue drinking very strong toasted cocoanut coffee with cream
and am about to try a cup of vanilla and macadamia nut brew.

We were sitting in Nebraska contemplating a leaden sky on a
windy miserable day when I got out our file on frequent flyer
points and found that all our original United points from years
back would be lost if we didn't use them this year.  We decided
to get out of town and were delighted to find that not only did
we have enough to both fly first  class but that United had seats
for us . . and within about four days we were outta there.

We had never booked first class, although I was bumped up a
couple of times when I was travelling for Smokenders.  On a long
flight first class makes all the difference.  We really enjoyed
the comfort, the meals, the attention . . knowing it was a one
time experience and we'll be back in the cattle car next time we
fly somewhere.  Except, of course, we still get first class for
our return home, and that will sure make going home a bit easier.

A WLM:  Found a book someone had left in the apartment for me.
The story began with the murder of a woman during the MG in
New Orleans.  When the daughter of the victim came to investigate
she managed to get herself framed and thrown into a long term
sentence in WOMEN'S PRISON.  Ideal read for the beach.  -D. M.

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Food, Mornings, Fest, Cars
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Alyce:
>put out by the Junior League in Charleston, SC, and I can't envision
>those southern society belles preparing cow's (well, actually it's a
>calf) head.

You'd be surprised at what some Southern aristocrats choose to eat.  I
think I've told before the story of some very aristocratic Jacksonians
who used to crack squirrel heads and eat the contents.  (They did that
only if they knew the people present wouldn't mind.)  And then there's
my friend, a perfect "southern society belle," whose husband would spend
the day at the country club on the days she invited chittlin-loving friends
over for a chittlin feast.  Her husband refused to be in the house during
either the smelly cooking or the comsumption of the chittlins.  (He was
a yankee -- from St. Louis.)

Karen:
>I am going to sleep because I have to leave my house at 6:45 tomorrow
>morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.

That's a nice time to leave home in the morning.  I'm almost always in
my office at MSU by that time.  I still haven't gotten used to the lateness
of campus beginnings in Tokyo (though I understand the reason since many
of the students, faculty, and staff commute from far away).  I'm looking
forward to Tuesday, when I'll be on a train by 5:30 a.m. in order to be
at Tokyo Station in time to get on the shinkansen for Nagasaki.

Steph:
>Since the average per day for the last month is just under 70k, and you
>are checking your mail anyway, may I suggest that you set MAIL?

That's a thought, but it takes a good bit longer to <pop> a bunch of separate
messages than a few digests.  I'm about to be on nomail again for a week or
so.  But not until Monday night.  I'll be gone from early a.m. on the 10th
until either the 16th or 17th.

>Since you're the one who heard from Norman, will you ask him what
>he's planning for his trip this summer, or simply tell him to get in
>touch with the rest of us?

Yes.

Karen:
>Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
>are being checked as we speak.

Excellent -- to both of the above.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Betty:
>I feel badly that Natalie is going to miss this. I'm REALLY getting
>excited now!

Me too -- to the first sentence, that is.  I think y'all are being mean
for having it in March instead of in May.

Karen:
>Uh-oh. Is this your British persona? Grey.

My very first Honda, a '74 Civic, was gray, though I think maybe "silver"
was the official color.  I loved that car.  It was shortly thereafter that
Hondas started getting too big -- though they are still, of course, the
best cars to be found.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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bclark@uclink2.berkeley.edu

On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty:
> >I feel badly that Natalie is going to miss this. I'm REALLY getting
> >excited now!
>
> Me too -- to the first sentence, that is.  I think y'all are being mean
> for having it in March instead of in May.

But spring break is in March.

Betty

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From: Nei <lafa@SANET.COM.BR>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> I am sorry but I would like to remove my name from the list but I
> haven't kept the email with all the procedures.

Can anybody help me, please????

Nei

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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>>I am going to sleep because I have to leave my house at 6:45 tomorrow
>>morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.
>>
>>Karen
>
>Tell me about it.  But I suppose I should just be grateful that I don't
>have JMW's shift.
>
>Ken Miller

        Tell me about it, too!  If I left home at 06:45 the
        library would open 3/4s of an hour late, and I can bet my
        last paycheck that I'd hear about it, at length.  Hell of
        a shift for a former nightowl, but it beats no shift at all.
        Who IS this Letterman guy people keep talking about?

John "Time to make the doughnuts!" W.

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Date:         Fri, 1 Nov 1991 15:58:13 GMT
From:         "Don Moore <DBFABAK@CFRVM.BITNET>:

        [forwarded]

>No,....you can't unsub.  We won't let you.  It won't help to have your
>account number changed...we'll just find your new one and follow you there.  It
>won't help to change jobs or move to another school - we're everywhere.  You
>can even leave the country, or leave the continent, or move in with a bunch of
>Tibetan yak ranchers or hide in an underground bunker in antarctica or
>volunteer to staff the space station....we'll be there.  With our crummy jokes
>and our boorish laughter and our silly little virtual grins....we'll be there.
>
>
>Let's face it...you've entered the silly zone.....
>
>                            Peace,
>                                  Don

JMW

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> I have no idea what a rotating Trompo cooker is.

Think of Gyros done Mexican-style. And served in a tortilla instead of a
pita.

-aht

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Bill Holler wrote:

> OK.  If it ain't da Vinci, who was it?

Botticelli. Happy Birthday, Bill.

-aht

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> My father was in a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital (my local hometown
> hospital) over Thanksgiving once, and they had vegetarian turkeys. I

I work with two SDA's and neither one of them is veggie, or has ever
mentioned an ersatz turkey. This must have been a weirdness inspired by
dietary requirements, not religious proscriptions.

-aht

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Any made with calves' heads?

Why, yes, as it happens. Every Sunday.

-aht

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Bill said:
>Natalie.  And much obliged (as Dad used to say) to any others I may
>have missed.

My Daddy used to say that, too.  Although I seldom hear it these days, I
always think of him when I do.  BTW, he would have been 85 March 3.
ndh

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No more Scrabble tiles?  Is that where Myles and Marie and Brad are, out
picketing the plant that is not going to make them any more?  Or am I (and
this is all too likely) the last person to hear about this catastrophe to
Scrabble as we know it?
ndh

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Imagine this: Austin touts local taquerias as their answer to what? To a
real taqueria? NO! To San Francisco taquerias! I am so insulted and I
never in all my life.

Midnight Tacos You just stumbled in from the bars. Or maybe you never
left the house. Maybe you
       just sat on the porch and smoked a couple of big ones. Now you are
starving. Short of swerving the car
       over to I-Hop or the Magnolia, what is a party boy/girl to do?
Ahhhh... Meet Midnight Tacos, Austin's
       answer to San Francisco's Tacquerias. They have a permanant
location on North Loop but better yet they
       have the Midnight Taco Trucks that will, no foolin', drive up to
your house and prepare you a fresh
       Mexican Feast on the spot. Non-Commital Fajitas for Two (you only
need eat them together, nothing else
       expected afterwards....), Sheldon's tacos, Vegeritos.... These
guys can do no wrong and they're cute and
       cheap, too. Home delivery on weeknights from 7pm 'til 1am. On the
weekends until, dig this, 4am. And
       the permanent location is a must-see, too. Totally groovy P
something between Haight-Ashbury and the
       Jersey Boardwalk.100-B North Loop, 453-2200

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Bill:
>it must have been a hot night on July 4th, 1935, that I was
>concEIved (i before e, except after c--forget that shit).

I loved when the movie "The Summer of '42" came out since I felt a
special bond to it for reasons similar to your thoughts about July 4,
1935.

>So, I am the end result of a heat of passion in the heat of a July
>night in South Carolina.

Speaking of hot nights in July '35, my parents' honeymoon must have
been a real scorcher.  They got married on July 31, 1935, and honeymooned
in New Orleans.  The only place in town with air-conditioning was one
movie theater.

Bill:
>Holler Ral NC USA:  Hi there Natalie, and everybody else, for that
>matter.  How did you know that the 4th was my birthday?  Yep, I'm 62
>and ain't down yet.

I knew it because of the list greetings.  I took my Words-L calendar to
Huntsville xmas for safe-keeping and thus am dependent on the kindness
of Wordslers to alert me to birthdays.

>and partly due to breaking out of the (negative) mode of cabin fever

Cabin fever can do bad things to you.  Every time I think I don't want
to go out in the cold wetness of this winter but have to go because of
having accepted some kind of invitation, I realize upon my return that
I'm happy I went.  I cussed (silently) when tromping through cold rain
(that later turned to snow but not enough to matter) to go to a friend's
house for a teaparty a couple of days ago but was very happy once I got
there.  The people there were fun.  Right now I'm about to head out to
meet other friends, but at least it's not raining or snowing today or
even quite as cold as usual.

>But I promise to try to do better, especially with the
>late-nite-stuff in the future.

I'll be on nomail from the night of March 9 until around the 16th or
17th, so save up the good stuff for after that.

Guest@Mail
>I have been out of the loop since February 23 and, although I
>don't think anyone has noticed,

Yes we did!

Betty:
>But spring break is in March.

But between semesters is in May.

JMW:
> Hell of
>        a shift for a former nightowl, but it beats no shift at all.
>        Who IS this Letterman guy people keep talking about?

I wonder what time Mark and Asha of ABC's World News Now get up. Maybe
their tv shift is the end of their previous day.  Maybe they go to bed
after it instead of getting up before it.  They're on at a very respectable
time in Tokyo (on those days they're on here) -- about 5:25 p.m.  But
didn't we conclude that they're on at about 3:30 a.m. where they are?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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On  6 Mar 98 at 19:09, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> No more Scrabble tiles?  Is that where Myles and Marie and Brad are, out
> picketing the plant that is not going to make them any more?  Or am I (and
> this is all too likely) the last person to hear about this catastrophe to
> Scrabble as we know it?

I hadn't heard anything until I saw your note, so you can't be worse
than second to last.  Does this mean I should break down and buy
a Scrabble game before they go out of style?

Myles

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>> No more Scrabble tiles?  Is that where Myles and Marie and Brad are, out
>> picketing the plant that is not going to make them any more?  Or am I (and
>> this is all too likely) the last person to hear about this catastrophe to
>> Scrabble as we know it?
>
Myles said:
>I hadn't heard anything until I saw your note, so you can't be worse
>than second to last.  Does this mean I should break down and buy
>a Scrabble game before they go out of style?
>
I saw this on the 5 o'clock news tonight -- I think the plant is closing in
six months, so there's still time to stock up. Milton Bradley was quoted as
saying they were looking for a replacement plant.
ndh

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Natalie said:
>I'll be on nomail from the night of March 9 until around the 16th or
>17th, so save up the good stuff for after that.

So do we send your Happy Birthday greetings before you leave, or save them
until we know you are back?
ndh

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>I can't think of a taqueria in my neighborhood where I *can't* get cabesa,
>sesos, or lengua.

I can't believe I forgot to mention the tripas, which, at least in local
taquerias, are probably the most popular of the organ meats

Ken Miller
Organoleptics Department
California Institute of Haughty Cuisine

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>> Nope, I suspect you'd recognize our taquerias in a heartbeat. In the
>> good ones, you can get specialty meats like tongue. I've never seen one
>> with avocados or sprouts, although they do, of course, have guacamole.
>
>Any made with calves' heads?
>
>alyce

I do believe that I already mentioned the cabeza.

Ken Miller
Organoleptics Department
California Institute of Haughty Cuisine

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On  6 Mar 98 at 20:26, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> >> No more Scrabble tiles?  Is that where Myles and Marie and Brad are, out
> >> picketing the plant that is not going to make them any more?  Or am I (and
> >> this is all too likely) the last person to hear about this catastrophe to
> >> Scrabble as we know it?
> >
> Myles said:
> >I hadn't heard anything until I saw your note, so you can't be worse
> >than second to last.  Does this mean I should break down and buy
> >a Scrabble game before they go out of style?
> >
> I saw this on the 5 o'clock news tonight -- I think the plant is closing in
> six months, so there's still time to stock up. Milton Bradley was quoted as
> saying they were looking for a replacement plant.

Well, that's good.  Maybe some day I'll get to spring "gazumper"
on Brad.

Myles

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> I work with two SDA's and neither one of them is veggie, or has ever
> mentioned an ersatz turkey. This must have been a weirdness inspired
> by dietary requirements, not religious proscriptions.

In this particular hospital, vegetarianism is the rule to this day. A
doctor may prescribe meat for a patient, and it will be served, but the
standard fare is non-meat, for both patients and guests/staff in the
cafeteria. Coffee and tea are similarly proscribed and prescribed. It
had nothing to do with my father's dietary requirements. The SDAs in
this area, which is far from that hospital, are all vegetarians. Perhaps
there are different branches of the religion, with different rules.

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <199803062314.IAA09110@gol1.gol.com> from "Natalie Maynor" at Mar
              7, 98 08:25:43 am

Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen:
> >Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
> >are being checked as we speak.
>
> Excellent -- to both of the above.

Well, nothing is settled. And my wallet was stolen tonight. I'm
beginning to think that stress is spelled K-A-R-E-N.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal said:
> I work with two SDA's and neither one of them is veggie, or has ever
> mentioned an ersatz turkey.

That's cuz you don't the secret handshake.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> That's cuz you don't the secret handshake.

In fact, one of the aforementioned people sat across the lunch table from
me today and ate a genuine turkey sandwich.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > That's cuz you don't the secret handshake.
>
> In fact, one of the aforementioned people sat across the lunch table from
> me today and ate a genuine turkey sandwich.

That really does surprise me. There used to be a big SDA convention at
NMSU every summer, and they always brought their own food with them.
That was also the time of year when all the vegetarians in town went
and bought food from them. One of my brothers was SDA and a vegetarian.

Wasn't, um.... George? Seventh Day Adventist. I think that was his
name.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 6, 98 11:49:44 am

Betty Clark said:
> > Betty Clark said:
> > > What colour?
> >
> > Uh-oh. Is this your British persona? Grey.
>
> My mother was born in Canada.

And this impacted your spelling?!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUCRC4W2KY96ZZ7X@mc.maricopa.edu> from "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR?
              WILLIAMS" at Mar 6, 98 05:32:47 pm

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>         Tell me about it, too!  If I left home at 06:45 the
>         library would open 3/4s of an hour late, and I can bet my
>         last paycheck that I'd hear about it, at length.

I guess if you have to be out and about that early, you may as well do
it in Mesa. It was nice this morning and there was very little traffic
going out.

> John "Time to make the doughnuts!" W.

:)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              at Mar 6, 98 07:01:15 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:
> > I have no idea what a rotating Trompo cooker is.
> Think of Gyros done Mexican-style. And served in a tortilla instead of a
> pita.

Is this like Mongolian barbecue?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Betty:
> >But spring break is in March.
>
> But between semesters is in May.

That's when we go to Mexico.

Betty

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > What colour?
> > >
> > > Uh-oh. Is this your British persona? Grey.
> >
> > My mother was born in Canada.
>
> And this impacted your spelling?!

Can't I blame it on something? I like colour better than color.

Betty

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen:
> > >Btw, I may be buying a Honda. Also btw, I may have a job. References
> > >are being checked as we speak.
> >
> > Excellent -- to both of the above.
>
> Well, nothing is settled. And my wallet was stolen tonight. I'm
> beginning to think that stress is spelled K-A-R-E-N.

Oh, no! It's a pain replacing the driver's license, cards, etc.

Betty

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 07:45 06.03.98 +0100, steph wrote:
>Well, that's not surprising since we haven't agreed on anything yet.
>So far, though, it looks like if it's around the 4th, Roy can't make it,
>and if it's around the 10th I can't make it.  No one has any idea what
>Norman's plans are.  You have obviously not made plans yet.  Espen can
>make either.  No other voices have been heard from, if I recall
>correctly.   I have already once made the suggestion that we turn things
>into a weekslong travelling fete, meaning I could meet Espen in Vienna
>around the 4th, meet you in Amsterdam (maybe with Roy) say, the 7th, and
>then you all could do what you wanted in Budapest/Vienna with Espen
>around the 10th.  Then, of course there's Norman (this is beginning to
>remind me of a Monty Python sketch...).

Was he the hedgehog? Anyway, I am just now reading (in Norwegian
translation) Claudio Magris' "Danubio". This is a very learned book,
learned in a way that seems to come natural to authors writing in a Romance
language (e.g. Borges, Eco), but it is also fascinating. He spent the first
45 pages without making a final decision what *should* be considered the
Danube's sources. (Although he mentions one tradition where it springs from
a leak tap in a house in the Black Forest.)

espen

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At 21:12 06/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On  6 Mar 98 at 19:09, Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
>> No more Scrabble tiles?  Is that where Myles and Marie and Brad are, out
>> picketing the plant that is not going to make them any more?  Or am I (and
>> this is all too likely) the last person to hear about this catastrophe to
>> Scrabble as we know it?
>
>I hadn't heard anything until I saw your note, so you can't be worse
>than second to last.  Does this mean I should break down and buy
>a Scrabble game before they go out of style?

It's only the *wooden* tiles which are involved. I hate them, difficult to
put them on the rack right way up without a lot of bother and waste of
time, which in a tournament, is important. Protiles are *much* better.

Maggy
>
>Myles
>
>

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From: Bill Holler <holler@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
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Holler Ral NC USA 3:00 am EST:  How's this for time, Natalie?

Natalie: >I loved when the movie "The Summer of '42" came out since I
>felt a
> special bond to it for reasons similar to your thoughts about July 4,
> 1935.
>
> >So, I am the end result of a heat of passion in the heat of a July
> >night in South Carolina.
>
> Speaking of hot nights in July '35, my parents' honeymoon must have
> been a real scorcher.  They got married on July 31, 1935, and honeymooned
> in New Orleans.  The only place in town with air-conditioning was one
> movie theater.

The only place hotter in the 48 states I can imagine than SC for a
July honeymoon in 1935 is New Orleans.

And you're right, the only cool place to go in the thirties and
forties was to the <picture show>.

So, Natalie, if you are the first born, a propitious time and
place for your conception was in... like the back corner seat of a
cool movie theater somewhere in New Orleans in early August 1935.

That was the pre-technicolor age of those wonderful , vaudeville
black and white musicals, with a cast of thousands of girls, with
fans and tap dance shoes, on a huge revolving stage, dancing like
radio city Rockettes, with the big band and all singing (in chorus)
in those <Billie Burke> falsetto voices, stuff like "You're in the
Money...."

Natalie:
> Cabin fever can do bad things to you.  Every time I think I don't want
> to go out in the cold wetness of this winter but have to go because of
> having accepted some kind of invitation, I realize upon my return that
> I'm happy I went...

I remember how, not very far apart from each other, you can have such
a variety of climates in Japan.  You're on a train, say, in a cold
winter climate, and just around the other side of a mountain you see
frozen lakes and snow everywhere.

While the island to just to the south of Kyoto (is it Shikoku?) is
covered in tangerine trees (micans).

Do they still sit in pits with blankets (the heat coming from
underneath) for meals in winter?  We'd do greens in a firepot with
hard tofu, everybody dipping his own in the boiling liquid.  It was
good; I forget what it's called.

> >But I promise to try to do better, especially with the
> >late-nite-stuff in the future.
>
> I'll be on nomail from the night of March 9 until around the 16th or
> 17th, so save up the good stuff for after that.
>
> Guest@Mail
> >I have been out of the loop since February 23 and, although I
> >don't think anyone has noticed,
>
> Yes we did!
>
> Betty:
> >But spring break is in March.
>
> But between semesters is in May.
>
> JMW:
> > Hell of
> >        a shift for a former nightowl, but it beats no shift at all.
> >        Who IS this Letterman guy people keep talking about?
You mean David Letterman, the late night Johnny Carson-like comic,
who does antics like dress in velcro and have him thrown up against
the wall and stick?

> I wonder what time Mark and Asha of ABC's World News Now get up. Maybe
> their tv shift is the end of their previous day.  Maybe they go to bed
> after it instead of getting up before it.  They're on at a very respectable
> time in Tokyo (on those days they're on here) -- about 5:25 p.m.  But
> didn't we conclude that they're on at about 3:30 a.m. where they are?
>
>  -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

I watched Raleigh's local ABC station sign off a little while ago,
around 3:00 am EST.

I enjoy late TV--ABC's Ted Kopple with Night Line:  Tonight he did an
interesting piece on the documentary pioneers--What's his name
Friendly (who recently died) and Edward R. Murrow (sp?).

The inspiration and driving force behind what most of E.R.M. did was
the producer, Friendly.

His description of first going into the concentration camps was
devastating.  He believed that news reporting ought to be so involved
in authenticity that the only way out for the
analyst/investigator/reporter was to *think*.

Then at midnight here, same network, is Bill Maher with Politically
Incorrect.  And "everything satirized for your own protection."

My only regret is that it's just 30 minutes.

The reason for my admiration, in a previous post, for Bill Clinton,
and for most of the American voting public, is that he holds up under
the worst of criticism and fire.

He remains presidential, and is ever more popular, according to
the polls, while having to answer questions under oath about intimate
details of his sex life.  Granted, he's a philanderer.  So?

To hell with this merde that he's supposed to set a moral example
for the rest of the country in how he handles an erection, or lets
someone else handle it.

All that crap that comes from the self-righteous <religious> right is
nothing more than a political ruse to <get at him>.

They're pissed because he stole their agenda.  Remember the Contract
with America?

He'll go down as one of the great presidents, despite the
McCarthyesque, unprincipled hounding of the one-issue fascist,
<so-called Christian> right--Helms/Faircloth et al., with their
shoot-himself-in-the-foot puppet--<Judge> Kenneth Starr.

Mr. Starr, I think, once had visions of ending up on the Supreme
Court.  Well, he'd just as well forget it.

Natalie, you thought OJ was a fiasco.  You ought to be here for all
of this.

While the Pacific Rim countries economically are going down the
tubes; Saddam Hussein, who has already used mustard gas and seren on
his own people, is courting with his own demise.

China's economy is tettering (and if they fall, our economy will feel
the impact in a big way).  Corruption and nepotism is such a normal
way of life in so many of the countries around the <Pacific Rim>.

And the proverbial chickens have come home to roost in places
like Indonesia, both Koreas, and Thailand, and, yes, Japan--who have
made poor investments, etc., etc., etc.

And here at home, in the oldest surviving democracy in the
World, we have a sharp, popular, intelligent president, with a
naziesque prosecutor, protected in ways that still astound me (that
special prosecutor thing which amounts to a fourth, fascist branch of
government has got to go - I think Republican and Democrat both agree
to that) bites away at how he relates to his wife and at every
intricate detail of what he does, and has always done with his wee
wee.

The reason why, IMHO, the movie, Wag the Dog, was no great succes,
despite the talent of Dustin Hoffman, was that the piece of fiction
it was based on paled when compared to the drama of real life.

Art failed to imitate life.

Linda Tripp?  In addition to being an ass-hole kind of friend to
Monica Lawinski (sp?), da bitch ugly.  Everyday is a bad hair day
with her.  She needs to get advice on a <make-over> from Paula Jones.

Never a dull moment.  Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.  But
the public has become bored with the sleeze and want to get on with
the business of State.

Well, I'm gonna stop this Bach fugue.  It's almost 5:30 am.  In the
words of corporate America:

Buy Buy,

Bill

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Soybean Turkeys and Stuff
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abht:
>> My father was in a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital (my local hometown
>> hospital) over Thanksgiving once, and they had vegetarian turkeys. I
>
>I work with two SDA's and neither one of them is veggie, or has ever
>mentioned an ersatz turkey. This must have been a weirdness inspired by
>dietary requirements, not religious proscriptions.

I was in grad school with a couple of SDAs who were also into vegetarian
turkeys for Thanksgiving.  One brought a picture to show us of her
soybean turkey.

Nancy:
>>Natalie.  And much obliged (as Dad used to say) to any others I may
>>have missed.
>
>My Daddy used to say that, too.

Mine too.

>  Although I seldom hear it these days, I
>always think of him when I do.

Me too -- mine, that is, not yours.

Nancy:
>So do we send your Happy Birthday greetings before you leave, or save them
>until we know you are back?

Hmm.  That's a tough decision.  Maybe when I'm back would be better since
I often had green shamrocks on my birthday cakes.

Alyce:
> The SDAs in
>this area, which is far from that hospital, are all vegetarians. Perhaps
>there are different branches of the religion, with different rules.

I knew one who was a vegetarian except for noon on Fridays, at which time
he ate a hamburger.  And speaking of eating dead animals, I wish my mother
hadn't sent me that article about the tapeworm.  I thought of it tonight
while a large hunk of octopus sashimi was sitting on my tongue about to
slide down my throat.

Karen:
>Well, nothing is settled. And my wallet was stolen tonight. I'm

Ugh.  Where?  How?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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In-Reply-To:  <199803070512.AA23788@waltz.rahul.net> from "Karen Kay" at Mar 6,
              98 09:12:56 pm

=
= Wasn't, um.... George? Seventh Day Adventist. I think that was his
= name.
=
= Karen

If you mean Willem George, I think it was his mother, who not liking
the schools in California, made him go to a SDA school.  Strangely
enough I just the other day, after 2 1/2 years, got a change of address
mail from him.

steph

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 19:56 06.03.98 +0900, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I'm happy to report that the snow that was forecast for this afternoon
>hasn't shown up yet.  I hope it doesn't come tomorrow since I've got to

While here we have beautiful winter weather.

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 13:51 06.03.98 -0500, Bill Holler wrote:
>Espen (explain exactly what khiare means, svp) Phyllis, Alyce and

Khaire is the old Greek greeting. Actually it is an imparative from khairo
= I am happy.

espen
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Espen S. Ore
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At 15:18 06.03.98 -0500, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>Bill Holler wrote:
>>
>> OK.  If it ain't da Vinci, who was it?
>
>Botticelli.

And his Primavera, which also hangs in the Uffizzi is one of my favourite
paintings.

espen

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At 17:32 06.03.98 -0700, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
>>>I am going to sleep because I have to leave my house at 6:45 tomorrow
>>>morning. Gack. I can't believe people do this every day.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>
>>Tell me about it.  But I suppose I should just be grateful that I don't
>>have JMW's shift.
>>
>>Ken Miller
>
>        Tell me about it, too!  If I left home at 06:45 the
>        library would open 3/4s of an hour late, and I can bet my

If I take the 7:00 bus I am at my office around 7:40. If I take the 7:20
I'm there sometime between 8:00 and 8:10 depending on the traffic. So I get
up around 6:20 to have some time to brew myself a cappuccino before I start
waking my children.

espen

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On  7 Mar 98 at 3:47, Maggy or Sarah B wrote:

> At 21:12 06/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >On  6 Mar 98 at 19:09, Nancy Harwood wrote:
> >
> >> No more Scrabble tiles?  Is that where Myles and Marie and Brad are, out
> >> picketing the plant that is not going to make them any more?  Or am I (and
> >> this is all too likely) the last person to hear about this catastrophe to
> >> Scrabble as we know it?
> >
> >I hadn't heard anything until I saw your note, so you can't be worse
> >than second to last.  Does this mean I should break down and buy
> >a Scrabble game before they go out of style?
>
> It's only the *wooden* tiles which are involved. I hate them, difficult to
> put them on the rack right way up without a lot of bother and waste of
> time, which in a tournament, is important. Protiles are *much* better.

I can see you are on a different level, Miss Maggy, with all your
Type-A tournaments and cutthroat timed games.  Don't tell me you
use chess clocks!  We are simple country folk.  Wooden tiles are all
I've ever seen.

Myles

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> That really does surprise me. There used to be a big SDA convention at
> NMSU every summer, and they always brought their own food with them.

That remark stirs childhood memories of being told weird things about the
SDAs, but for the life of me, the only remarkable feature about them that
I can perceive is that they will not come to work on Saturday, which is
sort of a drag today because a few of us are going in to work half-day
this morning. In fact, I take that back: one fellow did work a Saturday a
few years ago, but groused about it before and after.

Maybe the conclusion to be made here is that their sect, like any other,
can be prone to extremism. But the folks I've been acquainted with have
not shown any signs of that.

-aht

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Is this like Mongolian barbecue?

You mean, is it cooked on a gigantic Astrodome thingie? No.

-aht

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 7, 98 00:08:34 am

Betty Clark said:
> Oh, no! It's a pain replacing the driver's license, cards, etc.

Yes. And the money.:(  The biggest pain is that the little nozzle for
filling up my exercise ball (the 2-foot high one I bought) was in
there. I have no idea how to get another one.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Is this like Mongolian barbecue?
>
> You mean, is it cooked on a gigantic Astrodome thingie? No.

Astrodome? It's flat.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>> It's only the *wooden* tiles which are involved. I hate them, difficult to
>> put them on the rack right way up without a lot of bother and waste of
>> time, which in a tournament, is important. Protiles are *much* better.
>
>I can see you are on a different level, Miss Maggy, with all your
>Type-A tournaments and cutthroat timed games.  Don't tell me you
>use chess clocks!  We are simple country folk.  Wooden tiles are all
>I've ever seen.
>
>Myles

 Yeah, and the Brits come up with words like 'gazump'.  Have you ever
 looked at Graham's demo games?  I have to look up half the words.

 brad

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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Astrodome? It's flat.

Texas Mongolians like to cook on a Dome ;-)

And when watching the Astros, we all eat Dome Dogs.

-aht

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=
= Maybe the conclusion to be made here is that their sect, like any other,
= can be prone to extremism. But the folks I've been acquainted with have
= not shown any signs of that.
=
= -aht

I don't see what the big deal is.  They celebrate their sabbath on a day
besides Sunday and their religion has dietary restrictions.  I hope you
wouldn't find a Moslim or a Jew extreme for either of these.

steph

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-aht:
>Maybe the conclusion to be made here is that their sect,
>like any other, can be prone to extremism.

No, a better conclusion is that their sect, like any other,
can be prone to prejudices and misunderstandings by people
who only know bits and pieces of their beliefs and practices.

>But the folks I've been acquainted with have
>not shown any signs of that.

Well, gee, some of my best friends are}{()_#_/_)NO CARRIER

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
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Myles Callum wrote:

> I can see you are on a different level, Miss Maggy, with all your
> Type-A tournaments and cutthroat timed games.  Don't tell me you
> use chess clocks!

They don't use chess clocks; they use Scrabble clocks, which Maggie's
husband has had manufactured and is selling worldwide. They'll sell you
one, I'll bet.

alyce

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Movies
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I am spending some time this weekend watching movies I have taped but now I
have gone back to one I watch umpteen times every year, and which to me
seems to be *the best* movie ever made: Dr. Strangelove. The more I watch
it the more I discover. And I believe that it would probably not be as good
in colour - at least it would have been a different movie. Here, in B/W, we
find effects inherited from the German expressionist moviemakers.

espen

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Espen S. Ore
Humanities Information Technologies Centre, University of Bergen
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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      le livre du jour
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Received a want list in the mail today asking for, among other things,

Dentologia: An Epic Poem on Diseases of the Teeth and Their Remedies

alyce

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
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At 10:59 07/03/98 EST, you wrote:
>>> It's only the *wooden* tiles which are involved. I hate them, difficult to
>>> put them on the rack right way up without a lot of bother and waste of
>>> time, which in a tournament, is important. Protiles are *much* better.
>>
>>I can see you are on a different level, Miss Maggy, with all your
>>Type-A tournaments and cutthroat timed games.  Don't tell me you
>>use chess clocks!  We are simple country folk.  Wooden tiles are all
>>I've ever seen.

I am amazed to hear that wooden tiles are normal with you. And no, I don't
use a chess clock,I use a Premier Electronic Scrabble Timer!!!!!!!

Maggy


>>
>>Myles
>
> Yeah, and the Brits come up with words like 'gazump'.  Have you ever
> looked at Graham's demo games?  I have to look up half the words.
>
> brad
>
>

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On  7 Mar 98 at 15:52, Maggy or Sarah B wrote:

> At 10:59 07/03/98 EST, you wrote:
> >>> It's only the *wooden* tiles which are involved. I hate them, difficult to
> >>> put them on the rack right way up without a lot of bother and waste of
> >>> time, which in a tournament, is important. Protiles are *much* better.
> >>
> >>I can see you are on a different level, Miss Maggy, with all your
> >>Type-A tournaments and cutthroat timed games.  Don't tell me you
> >>use chess clocks!  We are simple country folk.  Wooden tiles are all
> >>I've ever seen.
>
> I am amazed to hear that wooden tiles are normal with you. And no, I don't
> use a chess clock,I use a Premier Electronic Scrabble Timer!!!!!!!

Ah, the aptly-named PEST!  Anything to drive the old blood pressure
up, eh wot?  What ever happened to good old-fashioned patience?

Myles

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From: floreant <floreant@WCLYNX.COM>
Subject:      whtmiv
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

venice in february was as beautiful and quiet as i'd hoped.  we
switched hotels the second day, to a bigger and cheaper room on the
lagoon.  as in rome, no pain no gain.  you want a view?  climb for
it, baby. but the new room had a little
alcove with a couch where i fantasized about reading and writing.
not to be, except for some quick sketches.  once i got out into the
city every day, i never wanted to retreat to even the most beautiful
of rooms..  we'd walk till i dropped, with lots and lots of cappucino
breaks.  got up to watch the sunrise a couple of days, and discovered
the castello in a desparate early morning search for coffee.

rode vaporetti, even a gondola one night. still trying to figure out
the vaporetti ticket system.  while we dutifully bought tourist
passes, we never saw a conductor check any tickets. it's either an
honor system where the venetians buy monthly passes, or the tourists
are subsidizing the city's mass transit.  the second option seems
more fair.

visited the accademia, the guggenheim, the doges' palace and the
naval museum.  had moments where we were the only ones in certain
rooms of all of the above. incredible.  we even saw st. mark's square
completely deserted.

himself kept suggesting naps, but i was obsessed with using
every minute to see everything, to listen to it all, to
practice my toddler-level italian..  in the most languid of
cities, i became manic in my greed for experience.  he bought me a
cane the third day.  we traversed the city in at least one direction
every day.

whereas i preferred the tiniest, most twisting calles, and the
smaller squares, himself was usually aiming for the more open
waterside spots.  combining these preferences showed us both more.

i teetered over the paving in st. mark's in marcel's honor.

woke up two days to fog so thick you couldn't see ten feet ahead.  fog
did much to bolster my time traveling fantasies.  that shrouded figure
across the piazza could have been a doge.

food was erratic.  a couple of really good meals, several mediocre.
but mediocre there is still good here.  beware of restaurants with
translated menus.  had coffee at florian's the first night and
almost cried with joy.  later had drinks at a couple of the fancy
hotels, just for the elegance of it.  but my favorite place was the
bar of the dead, a wine bar with huge casks and terrific snacks by
the fish market.  if only they'd had stools.

in italy, the price of anything eaten or drunk at a counter increases
drastically when served at a table.  we were often happy to pay the
rent on the chairs.  saw one coffee shop that advertised free seating.
 a guy from long island owned it.

wore my heavy wool coat every single day and liked the cold.  i was
one of the few women in cloth coats.  never seen so many furs in my
life, from obvious 20th anniversary, 20-year-old, minks to incredible
fendis.  saw one family where the mother and two toddler daughters had
matching furs.

took the usual pathetic pleasure in being asked for directions
several times.

oh, and everyone had cell phones.  strange to be riding down the
grand canal and have the person next to you shouting *pronto* after
digging into her purse.

while the city was as quiet as it gets when we first arrived, the
approach of carnevale was obvious.  children started wearing costumes
the first weekend we were there.  masks appeared in most store windows
and all the stands.  masks and carnevale hats increased as carnevale
approached.

two nights before we left, the population seemed to double.  streets,
alleys, and squares suddenly crowded.  day before we left, yet more
throngs and a  subwayish crowd made it take twenty minutes to cross a
bridge we'd walked over dozens of times in one or two.  what were all
these people doing in my city?

we braved the crowds saturday night just to see the costumes.
unbelievably elaborate figures, traveling in groups at a slow and
stately pace. goofy jester hats on kids with  backpacks.  a whole drag
group in ballgowns and powdered wigs.

many of the same costumed figures were still parading sunday
morning.  we hauled our luggage down the stairs and to the train
station.  it was only the crowds that let me leave.

maureen

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From: floreant <floreant@WCLYNX.COM>
Subject:      march
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if i'd remembered about march madness, i would have stayed in
ireland.

maureen

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar  7 14:49:22 1998
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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Places and Times and Trains and Stuff
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Betty:
>That's when we go to Mexico.

You should go to Mexico in March and NC in May.

Bill:
>Holler Ral NC USA 3:00 am EST:  How's this for time, Natalie?

Good attempt, but it didn't increase the total volumn enough to cause
a new digest to be born before I went to bed last night.

Bill:
>So, Natalie, if you are the first born, a propitious time and
>place for your conception was in... like the back corner seat of a
>cool movie theater somewhere in New Orleans in early August 1935.

That would indeed have been a propitious start.  But I was not the
first born.  And the first born was born in '39.  I still don't know
what kind of bc they used, but they somehow managed to plan the timing
of our arrivals well.  They said that they couldn't afford to have a
child immediately so decided to wait four years to have the first one.
And then to have me four years after that since they thought a four-year
spread between children was wise for tuition purposes.

>I remember how, not very far apart from each other, you can have such
>a variety of climates in Japan.

Tokyo is supposedly on the warmer side of things.  But again last night
friends were talking about how unusually cold this winter has been in
Tokyo.

>Do they still sit in pits with blankets (the heat coming from
>underneath) for meals in winter?  We'd do greens in a firepot with
>hard tofu, everybody dipping his own in the boiling liquid.  It was
>good; I forget what it's called.

I haven't seen any sitting pits.  But people often close all the doors
from the dining room to keep the room warmer (much too hot usually, imho).
Same with a/c in summer, though they don't seem to be as much into
over-cooling rooms as they do into over-heating them.  The over-heating
reminds me of my (few) winter experiences in the northern US.  I still
don't understand why people want to have interiors of buildings 80+ degrees
in a season when you're likely to have on heavy clothes.

>I enjoy late TV--ABC's Ted Kopple with Night Line:  Tonight he did an

I'm going to miss Ted when I return to the US.  Nightline comes on here
at 5 p.m. on some days, followed by about five minutes of music and
scenery, which is then followed by Blake and Asha's World News Now.  I
might get up early enough some mornings to watch B&A in the US since I
think they come on there very early a.m.  But I'm sure I won't stay up
late enough to watch Ted.

>Natalie, you thought OJ was a fiasco.  You ought to be here for all
>of this.

I've gotten some interesting views of it, however, since my newspaper
is very much international in that it consists of news stories from
many different wire services throughout the world, some things written
locally (or sometimes translated from its Japanese sister newspaper --
Yomiuri Shimbun), and editorials/columns from many different countries.
So I've seen a fair amount of the non-US perspective of the Washington
zoo -- the amazement at and ridicule of the US interest in where BC's
sinclair has or hasn't been wandering.

Espen:
>If I take the 7:00 bus I am at my office around 7:40. If I take the 7:20

This reminds me of a romantic story I heard last night from a couple who
met on a train.  They took the same train everyday and gradually got to
know each other over the course of several years.  Now they're married.
Being into trains, I of course asked them which line.  It was the Yamanote.
And that reminded me of my student last summer who told me of the wonderful
fun she and her boyfriend had spending the whole afternoon riding round
and round on the Yamanote (which loops around central Tokyo).

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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abht:
>SDAs, but for the life of me, the only remarkable feature about them that
>I can perceive is that they will not come to work on Saturday, which is

Nor will at least some of them party on Friday nights.  I remember one
SDA (the one who ate a hamburger every Friday noon) panicking when he
rode with some other people to a Friday-afternoon party that kept going
on as sunset arrived.  He was stuck there with no way to get home or
wherever it is that SDAs are supposed to be after sunset on Fridays and
was in a really serious panic about it.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Question for New Englanders
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Do you really count six Great Lakes?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:21:15 -0800 floreant said:
>if i'd remembered about march madness, i would have stayed in
>ireland.
>
>maureen

 Hey, it's my favorite time of the year!  It looks like Miles and
 the Gophers, after stunning Michigan in the first-ever Big Ten
 tourney, have another chance at Madison Square Garden.

 brad

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>>if i'd remembered about march madness, i would have stayed in
>>ireland.
>>
>>maureen
>
> Hey, it's my favorite time of the year!  It looks like Miles and
> the Gophers, after stunning Michigan in the first-ever Big Ten
                                      ^State
> tourney, have another chance at Madison Square Garden.
>
> brad

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>:
>
>Do you really count six Great Lakes?

        At less than 500 square miles Champlain ain't "great".

Abner

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>>Do you really count six Great Lakes?
>
>        At less than 500 square miles Champlain ain't "great".
>
>Abner

 This reminds me of a book I want to recommend:  Paul Schneider,
 -The Adirondacks-: a history of America's first wilderness
 (Henry Holt, 1997)

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Places and Times and Trains and Stuff
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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>:
>You should go to Mexico in March and NC in May.

        I'm planning to!  Well, the former, anyway.

>>I remember how, not very far apart from each other, you can have such
>>a variety of climates in Japan.

        And in California, and Nevada, and Arizona, and
        Massachusetts, and...

>don't understand why people want to have interiors of buildings 80+ degrees
>in a season when you're likely to have on heavy clothes.

        Amd here I thought it was just my weird relations who did that!

>So I've seen a fair amount of the non-US perspective of the Washington
>zoo -- the amazement at and ridicule of the US interest in where BC's
>sinclair has or hasn't been wandering.

        It ain't his <sinclair>, it's his tongue.

        Did anyone else catch the presidential series (PBS) on LBJ?
        Other than making me nauseous anew there was one moment
        where the narrator said, re the Tet Offensive, "Johnson,
        who had lied to the American people so many times about so
        many things, was dismayed to find that when he told the
        truth he was not believed."

John "That Archibald Cox bastard has gone too far" W.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              WILLIAMS" at Mar 7, 98 06:22:04 pm

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
> From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>:
> >Do you really count six Great Lakes?
>
>         At less than 500 square miles Champlain ain't "great".

You and I don't count, we're Midwesterners.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: today's big news
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Maggy or Sarah B wrote:
>
> I am amazed to hear that wooden tiles are normal with you.

I've never seen any non-wooden ones.

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <199803050618.AA00842@waltz.rahul.net>

[dead bird for Karen]

>> Not a good idea.  There are probably at least as many people who find
>> #FFFFFF objectionable as there are people who find #000000 objectionable.
>
>Why?

All white is too glaring for some people.  White is fine for paper, but
when it's the background color it's as distracting for some people as the
abominable <BLINK> is for other people.

>> I'm partial to #FFFFCC myself, but any pastel color will do, assuming that
>> the text and link colors are chosen appropriately.
>
>Hm. Any pastel comes up grey on my machine at work. (The one w/ the
>famous color problem.

One of the things I learned last Wednesday is that there is no such thing
as a universal win-win situation.  As long as your problems at work are a
matter of easily and more-or-less cheaply fixable hardware, and not of your
own color perception, you can hardly expect web page authors to spend a lot
of time designing around your unique situation.

Though some people have a distinct preference for all-black or all-white,
market research seems to suggest that bright pastels are generally
preferred as background colours.  [Now Betty's got me doing it, too.]

>I'm not insisting on anything. It's my right not to look at sites that
>I find unreadable, though. It's also my right to try to persuade
>everyone to design their pages the way I want them to look.
>
>Karen

You will have a much better chance of persuading people to design pages the
way you want them to look if you have convincing reasons for having them
design pages that way.

Ken Miller
Araneic Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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              98 07:57:57 pm

Bookrat said:
> [dead bird for Karen]

Why, thank you, Mr. Cat, I mean Krat.

> >> Not a good idea.  There are probably at least as many people who find
> >> #FFFFFF objectionable as there are people who find #000000 objectionable.
> >
> >Why?
>
> All white is too glaring for some people.  White is fine for paper, but
> when it's the background color it's as distracting for some people as the
> abominable <BLINK> is for other people.

Ah. I guess I don't notice this because I look at white pages of text
all day long. And maybe this is a factor in my dislike of
black/brown/navy backgrounds.

> One of the things I learned last Wednesday is that there is no such thing
> as a universal win-win situation.  As long as your problems at work are a
> matter of easily and more-or-less cheaply fixable hardware,

Not. It's a Netscape bug.

> and not of your own color perception, you can hardly expect web page
> authors to spend a lot of time designing around your unique
> situation.

It's true for all UNIX machines. Which, while a majority in the EDA
industry for the nonce, is admittedly not the majority in the world.

There are a lot of banner ads that cause Netscape on UNIX to crash,
too. This isn't a matter of colors, but HTML.

> Though some people have a distinct preference for all-black or all-white,
> market research seems to suggest that bright pastels are generally
> preferred as background colours.  [Now Betty's got me doing it, too.]

That would be fine by me. They would come up as grey or white on my
machine at work and some other non-black color at home.

> You will have a much better chance of persuading people to design pages the
> way you want them to look if you have convincing reasons for having them
> design pages that way.

If I can read a page at work but not at home, I don't complain to the
author. If I can't read a page either place, then I do.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>:
>>         At less than 500 square miles Champlain ain't "great".
>
>You and I don't count, we're Midwesterners.

        The hell I don't!  I'm a *taxpayer*.  You know, coughing
        up the bucks for whatever study it is the feds want ME
        to pay for?
        So, where's the big government money making Lake Powell
        "Great"?  Talk about size...

JMW

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              WILLIAMS" at Mar 7, 98 09:31:20 pm

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
>         The hell I don't!  I'm a *taxpayer*.  You know, coughing
>         up the bucks for whatever study it is the feds want ME
>         to pay for?

Did they increase the amount of money? I thought they added L.C. to
the pool of lakes (no pun intended) that can compete for this
particular money.

>         So, where's the big government money making Lake Powell
>         "Great"?  Talk about size...

Exactly. CNN quoted some woman who claimed that New Englanders have
always counted 6 great lakes, and I was trying to test the validity of
this claim.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Phyllis C. Petree" at Mar 6, 98 01:54:41 pm

Phyllis C. Petree said:
> This came from an auditor?!

I hope they all have such biting senses of humor! I liked this a lot.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In a message dated 98-03-05 22:53:31 EST, you write:

<< What's the name of the company?

 -aht >>
New York State Dept of Transportation

Mary S
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JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:

> whatever study it is the feds want ME to pay for?

It's about zebra mussels, which are screwing up shipping in the St.
Lawrence and all the way to Chicago.

alyce

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I don't usually have them in the house, but Doug bought some when he was
here. This afternoon I was hungry, and found I had no bread for a
sandwich, so decided to have peanut butter a la Triscuit. Took one bite
and snapped a tooth in half. And I guess I swallowed the half!
Had to happen on the weekend, of course, but I do have a dentist's
appointment early Monday morning, which was to have been for cleaning.
Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!

alyce
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

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From: Bill Holler <holler@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Bill said:
> >Natalie.  And much obliged (as Dad used to say) to any others I may
> >have missed.
Nancy Harwood said:
> My Daddy used to say that, too.  Although I seldom hear it these days, I
> always think of him when I do.  BTW, he would have been 85 March 3.
> ndh

I know you miss him.  Since his is the day before mine, we are both
Pisces.  (It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out,
Bill.)

I often try to do 2 (3? 4? 5?) things at once--in other words, have
trouble making up my mind.  Was your dad that way?

Mine would have been 97 last June.  IOW, he was born in 1900--the
same year of the publication of Freud's Interpretation of Dreams,
which, according to my favorite graduate professor, was the beginning
of the modern era (Re. Psychology/Psychiatry and its impact on
almost every aspect of contemporary life).

Did your Dad say <directly>(which he pronounced <tuhrectly>), meaning
shortly, in a little while, in a minute?  Mine did.

Bill

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> Received a want list in the mail today asking for, among other things,
>
> Dentologia: An Epic Poem on Diseases of the Teeth and Their Remedies
>
> alyce

Holler Ral NC USA - That's one I'd like to take to my appointment on
Monday, yep I broke a tooth.  Le dentiste is Danny Lotz, husband of
Billy Graham's daughter.

Then I've got two other appointments over the next couple of
weeks--one with l' ophthalmologiste, mainly for new specs. Oh, I'll
be able to read with ease again!

And the other with un urologiste.  I'll let you guess what that's
for.

Nobody knows what nosocomian diseases are.
Nobody knows but Jesus.
And He told me, but I already knew,
Cause I caught one at Duke.

But that's not why I'm going to the urologist, let me hasten to say.
Mine was a rash and was quickly healed with a prescribed powder.

Now, it wasn't one that you go into the ladys' room and take, but you
can use a puff if you like, but don't breathe; it's a powerful powder
(une poudre puissante, for the Gallically inclined).

Une pouTre puissante is a powerful beam, not like a sun one, but like
the one you have in your eye.  Mine's a mote.

An even smaller mote is a motel.  You can have one of those in your
eye and not even notice it.  But 6 is too many.  That disorder is
called Motel 6, but it's not nosocomian.

Bilious Bill

No, my liver is fine, thank you very much.  It's a bon vivant (a good
liver).  When I turn yellowish, it'll be from the 10 carrots I
consume each day, the juice of which pours out of my new juicer I
ordered off of Juno (no, really).  There must be <meaningfulness> in
all this.

I got this new juicer, see.  And it makes wild, healthy drinks
(Demotic English for healthful ones), see.  You cram in:  five
carrots, a stalk of celery, half a lemon and a thick slice of onion,
see.

It don't even need Tobasco, salt, or pepper, or even Worcestershire
(see?).  I'll make you levitate, as in rise.  You'll feel an
antigravitational force within, and it's a lift-off.  The point is to
keep going up, see.  And not plunge back into the see, sea.

Get a good juicer, you hear?
Don't have that Madeira, my Dear.
Just drink a potato or garlic tomatoe,
Or a carrot 'n celery beer.

Burma Shave

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> I don't usually have them in the house, but Doug bought some when he was
> here. This afternoon I was hungry, and found I had no bread for a
> sandwich, so decided to have peanut butter a la Triscuit. Took one bite
> and snapped a tooth in half. And I guess I swallowed the half!
> Had to happen on the weekend, of course, but I do have a dentist's
> appointment early Monday morning, which was to have been for cleaning.
> Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!

It's the peanut butter that did it!

Betty

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And we knew that we weren't even going to be considered. Wait till next
year! Arizona will repeat. Bibby is a Jason Kidd with a jump shot.

Betty

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              98 00:16:06 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!

My sincere sympathies. I once ate a prune, which I dearly love, that
had the same effect. Now I eat them, but very carefully.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Bill Holler wrote:

> Did your Dad say <directly>(which he pronounced <tuhrectly>), meaning
> shortly, in a little while, in a minute?  Mine did.

Mine said "much obliged," "directly," and "if I had my druthers," but he
was a Taurus. He was born in 1903. The similarities of speech probably
had more to do with their times than their signs.

alyce

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If I said nosocomian, I meant nosocomial.

My mammery is bad.  Got to get a memogram.

Bill

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Bill Holler wrote:
>
> > Received a want list in the mail today asking for, among other things,
> >
> > Dentologia: An Epic Poem on Diseases of the Teeth and Their Remedies
> >
> > alyce
>
> Holler Ral NC USA - That's one I'd like to take to my appointment on
> Monday, yep I broke a tooth.  Le dentiste is Danny Lotz, husband of
> Billy Graham's daughter.

What are the odds of two Wordslers breaking their teeth and having
appointments with the dentist on Monday morning? Weird-o. My dentists
are Joe Lugano and his wife Zaidi, and I don't think they know Billy
Graham. But they're great dentists.

alyce

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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>And we knew that we weren't even going to be considered. Wait till next
>year! Arizona will repeat. Bibby is a Jason Kidd with a jump shot.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       Woof, woof, woof.

>Betty

 Braddy

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >And we knew that we weren't even going to be considered. Wait till next
> >year! Arizona will repeat. Bibby is a Jason Kidd with a jump shot.
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>        Woof, woof, woof.
>
> >Betty
>
>  Braddy

Are you getting new cool uniforms again, Braddy? Doing any betting?
Friendly betting I mean.

Betty

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>Are you getting new cool uniforms again, Braddy? Doing any betting?
>Friendly betting I mean.
>
>Betty

 I bet you an Ann Borkin Dollar that Arizona will not repeat.

 I bet you another Ann Borkin Dollar that Kentucky will not be
 in the Final Four.  (I would love to lose this bet.)

 Braddy

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Karen:
>Ah. I guess I don't notice this because I look at white pages of text
>all day long. And maybe this is a factor in my dislike of
>black/brown/navy backgrounds.

I think that this is one of those cases where most people don't really pay
much attention, but a small but significant proportion of people object
strongly.  I'm used to FFFFFF backgrounds myself, and vastly prefer them to
000000 (which makes it hard for me to read the text, no matter how brightly
colored it is), but the current Received Paradigm says that Pastels are
Good.

>> as a universal win-win situation.  As long as your problems at work are a
>> matter of easily and more-or-less cheaply fixable hardware,
>
>Not. It's a Netscape bug.

Whoops!  My bad.  I recommend Lynx 2.7, which should take care of your
color problems once and for all. :)

>There are a lot of banner ads that cause Netscape on UNIX to crash,
>too. This isn't a matter of colors, but HTML.

Strange.  Why should an image cause a browser to crash?  Or are advertisers
moving over to using applets?  (Now that I think about it: if they haven't,
why haven't they?)

Ken Miller
Araneic Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >Are you getting new cool uniforms again, Braddy? Doing any betting?
> >Friendly betting I mean.
> >
> >Betty
>
>  I bet you an Ann Borkin Dollar that Arizona will not repeat.
>
>  I bet you another Ann Borkin Dollar that Kentucky will not be
>  in the Final Four.  (I would love to lose this bet.)

I'll take both your  bets probably making it a wash but you never know.
Kentucky still knows how to win.

Betty

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In-Reply-To:  <350228B8.7B07D49@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 8,
              98 00:12:24 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
> > whatever study it is the feds want ME to pay for?
>
> It's about zebra mussels, which are screwing up shipping in the St.
> Lawrence and all the way to Chicago.

But surely there are 5 lakes they can do research on. Why do they need
another one. Does Lake Champlain connect to the St. Lawrence Seaway?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:
>
> Strange.  Why should an image cause a browser to crash?  Or are advertisers
> moving over to using applets?  (Now that I think about it: if they haven't,
> why haven't they?)

She needs to upgrade.  Did you see Elaine?

Betty

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Subject:      Re: 9.309, Sum: 'cookies' (fwd)
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              98 09:59:37 pm

Bookrat said:
> colored it is), but the current Received Paradigm says that Pastels are
> Good.

Like I said, this would be fine by me.

> >> as a universal win-win situation.  As long as your problems at work are a
> >> matter of easily and more-or-less cheaply fixable hardware,
> >
> >Not. It's a Netscape bug.
>
> Whoops!  My bad.  I recommend Lynx 2.7, which should take care of your
> color problems once and for all. :)

Netscape is our corporate standard, so it wouldn't make sense to use
something else.

> >There are a lot of banner ads that cause Netscape on UNIX to crash,
> >too. This isn't a matter of colors, but HTML.
>
> Strange.  Why should an image cause a browser to crash?  Or are advertisers
> moving over to using applets?  (Now that I think about it: if they haven't,
> why haven't they?)

I think I was assuming that they were using applets and that there was
something in the way the applet was written. There are other pages
that will make it crash that don't have banner ads. There are still
other pages that will make Opera and/or IE crash regularly. In those
cases, it's less clear to me what the cause is.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:11:37 -0800 from
              <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>

>>  I bet you an Ann Borkin Dollar that Arizona will not repeat.
>>
>>  I bet you another Ann Borkin Dollar that Kentucky will not be
>>  in the Final Four.  (I would love to lose this bet.)
>
>I'll take both your bets probably making it a wash but you never know.
>Kentucky still knows how to win.

 Accepted.  FYI, the value of the ABD, as of market close on Friday,
 was US$1.47 (give or take a few ten-thousandths).

 Braddy

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>She needs to upgrade.  Did you see Elaine?
>
>Betty

No.  Had I not had a dental appointment yesterday afternoon, it would have
been a good time to arrange for dinner somewhere with real food.  Today
would have been good, too, but I guess it was not to be.

First Rashmi, now Elaine--and Elaine is staying only about ten miles from
me.  I am totally screwing up, hospitality-wise.

Ken Miller
Defrocked Social Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199803080619.WAA00165@uclink4.berkeley.edu>

On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >>  I bet you an Ann Borkin Dollar that Arizona will not repeat.
> >>
> >>  I bet you another Ann Borkin Dollar that Kentucky will not be
> >>  in the Final Four.  (I would love to lose this bet.)
> >
> >I'll take both your bets probably making it a wash but you never know.
> >Kentucky still knows how to win.
>
>  Accepted.  FYI, the value of the ABD, as of market close on Friday,
>  was US$1.47 (give or take a few ten-thousandths).

Are you going to have to sell to pay up? Do we owe JTF money, btw?

Betty

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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> >She needs to upgrade.  Did you see Elaine?
> >
> >Betty
>
> No.  Had I not had a dental appointment yesterday afternoon, it would have
> been a good time to arrange for dinner somewhere with real food.  Today
> would have been good, too, but I guess it was not to be.
>
> First Rashmi, now Elaine--and Elaine is staying only about ten miles from
> me.  I am totally screwing up, hospitality-wise.

That's okay. You are making up for it by flying out to the other coast
this month. Are you going to try to see Bill Holler?

Betty

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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              <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>

>Are you going to have to sell to pay up? Do we owe JTF money, btw?
>
>Betty

 IF YOU MADE MONEY ON THE GOOFY FUND :), YOU OWE FARRELL MONEY TO
 PAY THE TAX OBLIGATION.

 I raised this issue with The Commandante Thursday.  He waved it
 off, wait till April, he said, the sky is not falling, etc.  I
 now believe that he is truly a man who does not regularly reconcile
 his bank statements.

 brad

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >Are you going to have to sell to pay up? Do we owe JTF money, btw?
> >
> >Betty
>
>  IF YOU MADE MONEY ON THE GOOFY FUND :), YOU OWE FARRELL MONEY TO
>  PAY THE TAX OBLIGATION.

Just tell me how much. If nothing else, maybe we can buy him some new
window treatments. I do want to pay my obligation.

Betty

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Subject:      Re: march
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I'm staying up until Myles posts the Sunday puzzle. How about you, Brad?
Maybe it's on the web already.

Betty

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: march
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 7, 98 10:50:22 pm

Betty Clark said:
> I'm staying up until Myles posts the Sunday puzzle. How about you, Brad?
> Maybe it's on the web already.

It may be on the web already (though I doubt it), but the show isn't
until tomorrow morning.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Lakes and Coals
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Abner:
>        At less than 500 square miles Champlain ain't "great".

You should add George to it, of course.  The trickle together near
Ticonderoga.

The priests on the burning coals were fun.  But the raging of the huge
fire was funner.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Words and Signs
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Alyce:
>Mine said "much obliged," "directly," and "if I had my druthers," but he
>was a Taurus. He was born in 1903. The similarities of speech probably
>had more to do with their times than their signs.

I say "if I had my druthers."  Daddy definitely said "much obliged" but
I can't remember about "directly."  I've heard that, of course, but am
not sure whether from him.  Maybe his is the Virgo version of which of
those one says.  Virgo 1907.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: march
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:50:22 -0800 from
              <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>

>I'm staying up until Myles posts the Sunday puzzle. How about you, Brad?
>Maybe it's on the web already.
>
>Betty

 Nah, I'm turning in.  I do believe that KATE WINSLET, and not LENA
 TWETSKI, was the answer to last Sunday's.  But if you've ever seen
 Lena in the film Porzadko, you'll know whey she's a sentimental
 favorite of mine.

 Braddy

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
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>That's okay. You are making up for it by flying out to the other coast
>this month. Are you going to try to see Bill Holler?
>
>Betty

I am not going to leave the other coast without meeting Bill Holler.  Of
this, I am resolved.

Ken Miller
Department of Ftfology
Bernard Chien Perro Institute for Words-L Studies

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> >That's okay. You are making up for it by flying out to the other coast
> >this month. Are you going to try to see Bill Holler?
> >
> >Betty
>
> I am not going to leave the other coast without meeting Bill Holler.  Of
> this, I am resolved.

Do you have a day planned? Maybe we can go to a movie with him? :).  Since
Harwell Toal refuses to post Marie's short hair picture, I'll bring it
with me and you can see *uc*, too.

Betty

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In-Reply-To:  <199803080419.AA12337@waltz.rahul.net> from "Karen Kay" at Mar 7,
              98 08:19:48 pm

Karen Kay:
=
= Not. It's a Netscape bug.
=
= > and not of your own color perception, you can hardly expect web page
= > authors to spend a lot of time designing around your unique
= > situation.
=
= It's true for all UNIX machines. Which, while a majority in the EDA
= industry for the nonce, is admittedly not the majority in the world.
=
= There are a lot of banner ads that cause Netscape on UNIX to crash,
= too. This isn't a matter of colors, but HTML.
=

On the O2 I don't have any color problems, and on the Sparc 5 my color
problems come from not having enough memory (I know because I get the
"cannot allocate color map" error sometimes from netscrape and sometimes
from just opening enough windows with different colors).  On neither
machine do I frequently run into pages that make the browser crash (as in,
I can't remember the last time I loaded a page that made the browser
crash). On the O2 we're running Navigator Gold 3.01S and on the Sparc
I've got a fairly recent version of Communicator.  Oh right, and
sometimes I run Navigator 3.0 under Linux and display it on the O2, which
also runs smoothly.

Would you send me some urls that prove your point?

steph

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      The Cheese Cracker Incident
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I forgot to tell when mentioning the fire-walking about what I found to
be an interesting occurrence.  I was standing kind of apart from the friends
I was with at one point, trying to get a good view of the scene below on the
rather crowded hill we were on, when I felt a tap on my shoulder and turned
around thinking it was one of the people I was with or possibly somebody else
I knew.  But it wasn't.  It was a young Japanese man holding something in
his hand.  He said in English "cheese cracker" and handed me something that
resembled a skinny frito.  I said "arigato" and accepted it but was not at
all sure why he gave it to me.  It's not as if he was standing beside me
and being polite when opening a bag of food.  He was directly behind me.
I was not aware of him or his "cheese crackers."  Anyway, I found it rather
interesting.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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Steph wrote:

>On the O2 I don't have any color problems, and on the
>Sparc 5 my color problems come from not having enough
>memory (I know because I get the "cannot allocate color
>map" error sometimes from netscrape and sometimes
>from just opening enough windows with different
>colors).

  I don't think this problem arises because you don't
have enough memory, but rather because the Sparc 5
only has 8 bit color. Here's a posting from another
list about this:


From: charlesp@darwin.sfbr.org (Charles Peterson)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:59:36 +0600
Subject: Re: S-x86; My netscape problem...BETTER SOLUTION

  I've got 2 much better solutions to the netscape
  "cannot allocate color map..." problem. (BTW, this
   problem typically comes up when you start reading
   java applets because the java subsystem apparently
   tries to allocate some more colors, and Netscape
   itself has already allocated all colors, so none
   are available. On a limited color (non 24-bit)
   system, Netscape will, by default, allocate _ALL_
   available colors.

More at

http://www.eis.com/cgi/majordomo/get/solaris-x86-digest/v02.n104

  Arnold W.

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Subject:      What an opening day!
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This basho is getting off to a wild start.  Can y'all believe that
Musashimaru, Takanohana, and Akebono were all upset today -- zap, zap,
zap?

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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  Brad Grissom wrote:

 >I do believe that KATE WINSLET, and not LENA
 >TWETSKI, was the answer to last Sunday's.

  You had me going there with Lena Twetski! That's
pretty funny. But I remembered why I thought it made
sense that you were Polish - it was because of this
movie - maybe you've seen it? I think Gene Hackman
was in it, and it was about some sort of covert
operation in Russia. There was a Colonel Grissom
and a Soviet mole named Grushenko, and people kept
running about doing things that didn't make a lot
of sense. Anyway, it must have been this Colonel
Grissom who made me think Polish.

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
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Betty:
>Just tell me how much. If nothing else, maybe we can buy him some new
>window treatments. I do want to pay my obligation.

Ditto.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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>Mine said" "directly," and "if I had my druthers," but he
> was a Taurus. He was born in 1903 The similarities of speech probably
> had more to do with their times than their signs.
>
> alyce

You're probably right about their times versus the signs.  Grand Dad,
however, picked up some really low-country expressions--I don't know,
maybe he said them all his life--piazza instead of porch, for
example.

Bill

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Holler Ral NC USA - My big question is:  Is he going to attend the
Awards gala, or not?

And is all that Italianesque name a Hollywood invention, or not?

Bill

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> Bill Holler wrote:
> >
> > > Received a want list in the mail today asking for, among other things,
> > >
> > > Dentologia: An Epic Poem on Diseases of the Teeth and Their Remedies
> > >
> > > alyce
> >
> > Holler Ral NC USA - That's one I'd like to take to my appointment on
> > Monday, yep I broke a tooth.  Le dentiste is Danny Lotz, husband of
> > Billy Graham's daughter.
>
> What are the odds of two Wordslers breaking their teeth and having
> appointments with the dentist on Monday morning? Weird-o. My dentists
> are Joe Lugano and his wife Zaidi, and I don't think they know Billy
> Graham. But they're great dentists.
>
> alyce

I'm still recovering from the idea of an <epic poem> on diseases
of the teeth and their remedies.

Strange, if not bizarrrrre, as an old friend of mine used to
say--that two wordslers have appointments Monday for broken teeth,
and with such eminent dentists.

I've saved the piece of the tooth that broke off, what with the
<space-age> ciments these days, his nurse tells me that they might be
able to glue it back on.

One thing about Danny, he's not all-eager to run the bill up with
unnecessary work.  For example, he has not x-rayed my mouth in 20
years, simply because he knows I don't like the radiation--he refused
to remove an old baby tooth because it served the purpose of keeping
the other teeth in line (I still have it, by the way--at least the
stump of it)--he never cleans my teeth, or has them cleaned by his
assistant, because my mouth is acidic and plaque doesn't form.

Bill

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> On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
> > I don't usually have them in the house, but Doug bought some when he was
> > here. This afternoon I was hungry, and found I had no bread for a
> > sandwich, so decided to have peanut butter a la Triscuit. Took one bite
> > and snapped a tooth in half. And I guess I swallowed the half!
> > Had to happen on the weekend, of course, but I do have a dentist's
> > appointment early Monday morning, which was to have been for cleaning.
> > Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!
>
> It's the peanut butter that did it!
>
> Betty

No, it's the <hard, saturated fat> that's in 'em.  That's the reason
I don't eat'em.

Bill

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> I am spending some time this weekend watching movies I have taped but now I
> have gone back to one I watch umpteen times every year, and which to me
> seems to be *the best* movie ever made: Dr. Strangelove. The more I watch
> it the more I discover. And I believe that it would probably not be as good
> in colour - at least it would have been a different movie. Here, in B/W, we
> find effects inherited from the German expressionist moviemakers.
>
> espen
>
>  --
> Espen S. Ore
> Humanities Information Technologies Centre, University of Bergen
> Espen.Ore@hit.uib.no         Tel: +47 55582865 Fax: +47 55589470

I never saw Dr. Strangelove, but now I'll have to get it, what with
such an endorsement.

Bill

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Subject:      From the diary of a couch potato
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The Olympic games in Nagano may be over but there is still winter sport. I
have set aside today for relaxation, and Norwegian TV helps me with that.
First there was men's biathlon from Slovenia, now there is Super G, and
afterwards there will be women's biathlon.

espen

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=
= More at
=
= http://www.eis.com/cgi/majordomo/get/solaris-x86-digest/v02.n104
=
=   Arnold W.

Ah, thank you.  I will try that at work tomorrow.

steph

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From: Adam Hartfield <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Question for New Englanders
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> Do you really count six Great Lakes?
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

Not me, not yet, no matter what the official designation is.

--Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
so how was Moxy in Somerville last night, Neal, Emily??

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> It's true for all UNIX machines. Which, while a majority in the EDA
> industry for the nonce, is admittedly not the majority in the world.
>
> There are a lot of banner ads that cause Netscape on UNIX to crash,
> too. This isn't a matter of colors, but HTML.

Microsoft has just released IE4 for Unix machines. Maybe you should check
it out since Netscape Navigator is causing you so much trouble.

--Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
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On  8 Mar 98 at 1:52, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >I'm staying up until Myles posts the Sunday puzzle. How about you, Brad?
> >Maybe it's on the web already.
> >
> >Betty
>
>  Nah, I'm turning in.  I do believe that KATE WINSLET, and not LENA
>  TWETSKI, was the answer to last Sunday's.  But if you've ever seen
>  Lena in the film Porzadko, you'll know whey she's a sentimental
>  favorite of mine.

KATE WINSLET it is, Bradrich.  I wonder how young Kate must feel
these days.  She's the star of the almost-biggest-grossing movie of
all time and all anyone's talking about is Leonardo DiCaprio.

Betty, the NPR puzzle is posted on the web on Sunday mornings,
between 8:30 and 10 a.m. (Eastern).

Well, this week's puzzle has a little more fun to it.  At least it's
one you can't solve off the top of your head.  Here it is:

"What is the longest word from the initial letters in a chain of
consecutive countries in Europe? For example, you can spell the word
FISHY on a trip starting in France, which gives you the letter
F; from there you go to Italy for I, Slovenia for S, Hungary for H,
and Yugoslavia for Y. That's a 5-letter answer -- what's the best
that you can do? To count, the countries must be CONNECTED
BY LAND, and the initial letters must be taken in order. We're
using the standard English language names for the countries
(for example: HUNGARY, not MAGYAR REPUBLIC); you may
return to a country and repeat its initial in your trip, but you
CAN'T stand on a country and use its initial twice in a row. Your
answer word must be uncapitalized and unhyphenated. As always,
our authority for acceptable words is Merriam-Webster's 10th
Collegiate Dictionary."

Myles

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>"What is the longest word from the initial letters in a chain of
>consecutive countries in Europe? For example, you can spell the word
>FISHY on a trip starting in France, which gives you the letter
>F; from there you go to Italy for I, Slovenia for S, Hungary for H,
>and Yugoslavia for Y. That's a 5-letter answer -- what's the best
>that you can do? To count, the countries must be CONNECTED
>BY LAND, and the initial letters must be taken in order. We're
>using the standard English language names for the countries
>(for example: HUNGARY, not MAGYAR REPUBLIC); you may
>return to a country and repeat its initial in your trip, but you
>CAN'T stand on a country and use its initial twice in a row. Your
>answer word must be uncapitalized and unhyphenated. As always,
>our authority for acceptable words is Merriam-Webster's 10th
>Collegiate Dictionary."
>
>Myles

 Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
 first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
 can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
>
>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
>
Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?

Betty

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>>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
>>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
>>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
>>
>Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?

 Get serious, Betty Clark.  MWCD10 is the source for the answer, not
 the geographical entities from which you get the answer.  If I
 understand the rules correctly, the vowel countries are Italy, Austria,
 Yugoslavia, Albania, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Sunday Puzzle - edging Norway into the solution
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The only way to include Norway is to have it somewhere on the end, given
the rule about land based borders. A six letter solution which is probably
not valid is "ashurn", Austria-Slovakia-Hungary-Ukraina-Russia - and for a
plural "s" we could go to Sweden after Norway. "Urn" alone is of course
valid, but a three letter word isn't very impressive.

espen

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At 09:40 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
>>>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
>>>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
>>>
>>Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?
>
> Get serious, Betty Clark.  MWCD10 is the source for the answer, not
> the geographical entities from which you get the answer.  If I
> understand the rules correctly, the vowel countries are Italy, Austria,
> Yugoslavia, Albania, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan in Europe??

espen

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At 06:37 08.03.98 -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>
>>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
>>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
>>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
>>
>Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?

Montenegro is part of the Yugoslav union, with Serbia but Kosovo is (now)
just a part of Serbia so they are not on the same level.

espen

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
> >>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
> >>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
> >>
> >Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?
>
>  Get serious, Betty Clark.  MWCD10 is the source for the answer, not
>  the geographical entities from which you get the answer.  If I
>  understand the rules correctly, the vowel countries are Italy, Austria,
>  Yugoslavia, Albania, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

Duh! I'll finish my coffee now. What are the consonant countries?

Betty

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In-Reply-To:  <199803080802.JAA16600@newton.xs4all.nl> from "steph" at Mar 8,
              98 09:02:45 am

steph said:
> On the O2 I don't have any color problems, and on the Sparc 5 my color
> problems come from not having enough memory (I know because I get the
> "cannot allocate color map" error sometimes from netscrape and sometimes
> from just opening enough windows with different colors).

Is this merely a memory problem? Because you can get around it with
starting Netscape with the -install option. But then you get reverse
video, which makes me feel like I am having a seizure. If it were a
memory problem, I don't think that everyone in my company would be
affected. This is listed in our manuals, too--I doubt all of our
customers have insufficient memory.

Also, I can open 6-8 copies of Netscape with no problem.

> On neither machine do I frequently run into pages that make the
> browser crash (as in, I can't remember the last time I loaded a page
> that made the browser crash).

I didn't say this happens frequrently, just that it's repeatable.

> Would you send me some urls that prove your point?

The one I recently went round and round the webmaster with was
www.onelook.com. In that case we determined it was the ad. I don't
know if the ad is still there, though. I tried early last week and it
still happened.

There was anothere page, too... I'll try to remember.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>Azerbaijan in Europe??
>
>espen

 I think you have to count it.  And don't forget Turkey.

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>Montenegro is part of the Yugoslav union, with Serbia but Kosovo is (now)
>just a part of Serbia so they are not on the same level.
>
>espen

 So what counts?  Only Yugoslavia, but not Montenegro, Serbia, or Kosovo?
 What about Macedonia?

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              at Mar 8, 98 08:16:17 am

Adam Hartfield said:
> Microsoft has just released IE4 for Unix machines. Maybe you should check
> it out since Netscape Navigator is causing you so much trouble.

As long as the corporate standard is Netscape 3.0, it doesn't make
sense to use something else.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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At 09:40 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
>>>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
>>>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
>>>
>>Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?
>
> Get serious, Betty Clark.  MWCD10 is the source for the answer, not
> the geographical entities from which you get the answer.  If I
> understand the rules correctly, the vowel countries are Italy, Austria,
> Yugoslavia, Albania, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

You forgot Andorra. And I am afraid that Armenia should be removed along
with Azerbaijan.

espen

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At 10:01 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>Montenegro is part of the Yugoslav union, with Serbia but Kosovo is (now)
>>just a part of Serbia so they are not on the same level.
>>
>>espen
>
> So what counts?  Only Yugoslavia, but not Montenegro, Serbia, or Kosovo?
> What about Macedonia?

Macedonia is a country (although the Greeks want us to call it FYROM).
Offhand I would also accept Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Serbia. But not
Caucasian countries or therabouts!!

espen

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At 10:00 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>Azerbaijan in Europe??
>>
>>espen
>
> I think you have to count it.  And don't forget Turkey.

Turkey, yes, because of the part that is on this side of the Bosporos, but
definetly not the Asian countries between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.

espen

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 09:40 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
> >>>  Excellent puzzle!  Given the rules, it should be fairly easy to
> >>>  first compile a list of acceptable European countries.  For example,
> >>>  can we count Montenegro and Kosovo?
> >>>
> >>Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?
> >
> > Get serious, Betty Clark.  MWCD10 is the source for the answer, not
> > the geographical entities from which you get the answer.  If I
> > understand the rules correctly, the vowel countries are Italy, Austria,
> > Yugoslavia, Albania, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.
>
> You forgot Andorra. And I am afraid that Armenia should be removed along
> with Azerbaijan.

GWTP, Braddy! I can't do this puzzle because I am ignorant of all these
countries.

Betty

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>Turkey, yes, because of the part that is on this side of the Bosporos, but
>definetly not the Asian countries between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
>
>espen

 Armenia and Azerbaijan are both on my map of Europe (Hammond World
 Atlas, c1981).  Hell, before long they'll both be partners in the
 North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

 Your "ashurns" does not survive scrutiny, btw.

 braddy

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On  8 Mar 98 at 10:01, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >Montenegro is part of the Yugoslav union, with Serbia but Kosovo is (now)
> >just a part of Serbia so they are not on the same level.
> >
> >espen
>
>  So what counts?  Only Yugoslavia, but not Montenegro, Serbia, or Kosovo?
>  What about Macedonia?

My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
(part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.

The gimmick is that the countries have to be connected in
a consecutive chain, if I understand the rules correctly.  So
you can use the letters F-I in that order because France and
Italy border each other, but you couldn't use, say, F-A because
France and Austria share no border.

Myles

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Say, I just thought of something.  Because of the Chunnel, can we count
England, Scotland, and Wales.  I mean, it is a land connection, right?

braddy

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When I was washing dishes now - an activity that is good for contemplation
- I realized that there are at leas nine different ways of generating the
word "Isis" if you start out in Italy.

espen

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On  8 Mar 98 at 16:12, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 10:01 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
> >>Montenegro is part of the Yugoslav union, with Serbia but Kosovo is (now)
> >>just a part of Serbia so they are not on the same level.
> >>
> >>espen
> >
> > So what counts?  Only Yugoslavia, but not Montenegro, Serbia, or Kosovo?
> > What about Macedonia?
>
> Macedonia is a country (although the Greeks want us to call it FYROM).
> Offhand I would also accept Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Serbia. But not
> Caucasian countries or therabouts!!

It sounds like you want to have your cake and lutefisk too!  My
geographical dictionary (copyright 1997) says that Montenegro and
Serbia are now part of Yugoslavia.

Myles

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At 10:14 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>Turkey, yes, because of the part that is on this side of the Bosporos, but
>>definetly not the Asian countries between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
>>
>>espen
>
> Armenia and Azerbaijan are both on my map of Europe (Hammond World
> Atlas, c1981).  Hell, before long they'll both be partners in the
> North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

The trans-Bosporos part of Turkey is in Asia (Little Asia), so how Armenia
then suddenly appears in Europe is beyond my understanding. In Europe
Armenia and Azerbaijan are *not* considered part of Europe.

espen
>
> Your "ashurns" does not survive scrutiny, btw.

Too bad. If sea-borders were allowed, we would have a funny case both
politically and linguistically if we wished to include Eland (Aaland) since
that name begins with a leter which is not in the English alphabet.

espen

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>> Armenia and Azerbaijan are both on my map of Europe (Hammond World
>> Atlas, c1981).  Hell, before long they'll both be partners in the
>> North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
>
>The trans-Bosporos part of Turkey is in Asia (Little Asia), so how Armenia
>then suddenly appears in Europe is beyond my understanding. In Europe
>Armenia and Azerbaijan are *not* considered part of Europe.

 Well, will y'all at least let them be Eurasians?

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At 10:30 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>> >
>> > So what counts?  Only Yugoslavia, but not Montenegro, Serbia, or Kosovo?
>> > What about Macedonia?
>>
>> Macedonia is a country (although the Greeks want us to call it FYROM).
>> Offhand I would also accept Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Serbia. But not
>> Caucasian countries or therabouts!!
>
>It sounds like you want to have your cake and lutefisk too!  My
>geographical dictionary (copyright 1997) says that Montenegro and
>Serbia are now part of Yugoslavia.

You can have the lutefisk. I believe Yugoslavia appeared as Yugoslavia in
Nagano, so we can stick to that - for the time being. England, Scotland,
and Wales vs the UK is another problem. "sew" is a word.

espen

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On  8 Mar 98 at 10:14, Brad Grissom wrote:

> >Turkey, yes, because of the part that is on this side of the Bosporos, but
> >definetly not the Asian countries between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
> >
> >espen
>
>  Armenia and Azerbaijan are both on my map of Europe (Hammond World
>  Atlas, c1981).

The question is, can Merriam-Webster beat up Hammond?

It depends on what you choose to count as "Europe."
Armenia and Azerbaijan would be in western Asia, not in
Europe, according to the M-W Geographical Dictionary.

Myles





Hell, before long they'll both be partners in the
>  North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
>
>  Your "ashurns" does not survive scrutiny, btw.
>
>  braddy
>
>

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At 10:31 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
>>> Armenia and Azerbaijan are both on my map of Europe (Hammond World
>>> Atlas, c1981).  Hell, before long they'll both be partners in the
>>> North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
>>
>>The trans-Bosporos part of Turkey is in Asia (Little Asia), so how Armenia
>>then suddenly appears in Europe is beyond my understanding. In Europe
>>Armenia and Azerbaijan are *not* considered part of Europe.
>
> Well, will y'all at least let them be Eurasians?

No, but I will allow that the Armenians are speaking an IE language.

espen

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              Wittinger" at Mar 8, 98 03:42:48 am

Arnold Wittinger said:
>   I don't think this problem arises because you don't
> have enough memory, but rather because the Sparc 5
> only has 8 bit color.

This makes a lot of sense.

>    are available. On a limited color (non 24-bit)
>    system, Netscape will, by default, allocate _ALL_
>    available colors.

Yep, that's why I install Netscape last. And this does demonstrate,
Steph, that this is a Netscape problem.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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At 10:25 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>
>My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
>divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
>Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
>Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
>Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
>Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
>Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
>(part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.

One at least is missing, and there is another debatable one: the Faroes.
(And then we have the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.)

espen

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At 16:40 08.03.98 +0100, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>At 10:25 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>>
>>My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
>>divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
>>Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
>>Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
>>Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
>>Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
>>Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
>>(part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.

And while the Greeks don't look favourably at Macedonia, Spain vetoed a
EU/Norway-Iceland agreement for some time because Norway accepted ID-cards
from Gibraltar.

espen

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On  8 Mar 98 at 16:36, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 10:30 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So what counts?  Only Yugoslavia, but not Montenegro, Serbia, or Kosovo?
> >> > What about Macedonia?
> >>
> >> Macedonia is a country (although the Greeks want us to call it FYROM).
> >> Offhand I would also accept Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Serbia. But not
> >> Caucasian countries or therabouts!!
> >
> >It sounds like you want to have your cake and lutefisk too!  My
> >geographical dictionary (copyright 1997) says that Montenegro and
> >Serbia are now part of Yugoslavia.
>
> You can have the lutefisk. I believe Yugoslavia appeared as Yugoslavia in
> Nagano, so we can stick to that - for the time being. England, Scotland,
> and Wales vs the UK is another problem. "sew" is a word.

I was ruling out the British isles because they're not
"CONNECTED BY LAND."  But Braddy should get a gold
star for his clever ruse to establish an underwater link.

Myles

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At 10:25 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
>divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
>Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
>Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
>Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
>Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
>Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
>(part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.
>

Myles, the S- and T-countries are  missing.

espen

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At 10:44 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:

>I was ruling out the British isles because they're not
>"CONNECTED BY LAND."  But Braddy should get a gold
>star for his clever ruse to establish an underwater link.
>

Soon there will be a bridge between Sweden and Denmark.

espen

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On  8 Mar 98 at 16:40, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 10:25 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
> >
> >My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
> >divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
> >Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
> >Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
> >Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
> >Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
> >Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
> >(part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.
>
> One at least is missing, and there is another debatable one: the Faroes.

Profuse apologies, and thanks for catching my typos.  More
than one is missing!  I left out a whole line after Russia:  Add
San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland,
and Turkey (part).

> (And then we have the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.)

They don't seem to meet the condition of being connected
by land.

Myles

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> But surely there are 5 lakes they can do research on. Why do they need
> another one. Does Lake Champlain connect to the St. Lawrence Seaway?

I think it does, via rivers, but I don't think that ships go through it
as part of the seaway. I can be wrong about this, of course. As I
understood what I heard, the study is about the extent to which the
mussels spread. Clyde would know more about this. They know that the
mussels adhere to ship hulls, and I think the question is: can they get
off somewhere along the way and then spread without a carrier like a
ship. And if yes, how and how far? This is interesting, because then
there is the potential for them to infest inland waterways all over the
country/world.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I was not aware of him or his "cheese crackers."  Anyway, I found it rather
> interesting.

Did you eat it? Did you keep it for a souvenir?

alyce

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Myles Callum wrote:
>
> My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
> divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
> Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
> Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
> Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
> Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
> Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
> (part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.
>
How can Iceland, Gibraltar and Malta be in Europe? They are connected by
land to nothing, are they? And I say no to United Kingdom, because a
chunnel is not land in my book.

alyce

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On  8 Mar 98 at 11:10, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Myles Callum wrote:
> >
> > My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
> > divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
> > Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
> > Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
> > Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
> > Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
> > Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
> > (part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.
> >
> How can Iceland, Gibraltar and Malta be in Europe? They are connected by
> land to nothing, are they?

I think you're conflating the puzzle rule ("connected by land") with
the geographical dictionary's list of political subdivisions.  To be
considered part of Europe geopolitically apparently doesn't require
a physical connection.

>And I say no to United Kingdom, because a chunnel is not land
>in my book.

Agreed.

Myles











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>
> --
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At 11:10 08.03.98 -0500, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>Myles Callum wrote:
>>
>> My Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary lists the "political
>> divisions" of Europe as including Albania, Andorra, Austria,
>> Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
>> Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
>> Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
>> Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco,
>> Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia
>> (part), Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, and Yugoslavia.
>>
>How can Iceland, Gibraltar and Malta be in Europe? They are connected by
>land to nothing, are they? And I say no to United Kingdom, because a
>chunnel is not land in my book.

They can be in Europe even if they cannot be used in the puzzle. Gibraltar
is very much connected by land, BTW. And my solution from Brittain, "sew"
is good if England, Wales and Scotland are accepted as separate countries
since they are connected by land. "Ewe" would also be acceptable.

espen

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Myles Callum wrote:
>
> I think you're conflating the puzzle rule ("connected by land") with
> the geographical dictionary's list of political subdivisions.  To be
> considered part of Europe geopolitically apparently doesn't require
> a physical connection.

I understand the geopolitical connections. I thought you were saying it
was OK to use these places. This puzzle may be within my limited
abilities, so I want to be sure of the rules.

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On  8 Mar 98 at 16:36, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> "sew" is a word.

Does anyone have a six-letter word?  Four-letter words
are easy enough, and so far my best is five, RUBLE--Russia,
Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia.  But there must be longer
ones.

Myles

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> Soon there will be a bridge between Sweden and Denmark.

How far would that be? And don't they have to sink pilings into very deep
water?

-aht

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At 10:54 08.03.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> Soon there will be a bridge between Sweden and Denmark.
>
>How far would that be? And don't they have to sink pilings into very deep
>water?

I am not sure. They are building an artificial island, parts wil go in a
tunnel and then there is a central span which ships will be able to sail
under. The water isn't very deep there and it is close enough that you can
see over to Sweden from Copenhagen on a clear day. (In at least one of the
many wars between Denmark/Norway and Sweden the Swedish troops crossed over
on the ice.)

espen

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At 03:58 PM 3/8/98 +0100, you wrote:
>The only way to include Norway is to have it somewhere on the end,


not so, since you can return from whence you came, so if you could somehow
come up with a word that had "sns" in the middle...

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At 09:45 08.03.98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 03:58 PM 3/8/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>The only way to include Norway is to have it somewhere on the end,
>
>
>not so, since you can return from whence you came, so if you could somehow
>come up with a word that had "sns" in the middle...
>

Or "..rnf.."

espen

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> see over to Sweden from Copenhagen on a clear day. (In at least one of the
> many wars between Denmark/Norway and Sweden the Swedish troops crossed over
> on the ice.)

So in addition to all the other engineering considerations, they'll have
to design pilings and moorings that can withstand the pressure of being
compressed by freezing water. Sounds like an awesome achievement, if they
can pull it off. Who's paying for it, halfsies each country? And who had
the most control over the design?

-aht

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On  8 Mar 98 at 11:28, Myles Callum wrote:

> On  8 Mar 98 at 16:36, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> > "sew" is a word.
>
> Does anyone have a six-letter word?  Four-letter words
> are easy enough, and so far my best is five, RUBLE--Russia,
> Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia.  But there must be longer
> ones.

Also SHRUB, SAGAS, PUSHY, SHAGS, PUSHY, SAILS.
Still no six-letter jobs.

Myles

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On  8 Mar 98 at 13:10, I wrote:

> Still no six-letter jobs.

Okay, somebody check me on this, but I think SALSAS
works--Slovakia (or Slovenia), Austria, Liechtenstein,
Switzerland, Austria, and back to Slovakia or Slovenia.

Who's got a seven?

Myles

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At 12:04 08.03.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>So in addition to all the other engineering considerations, they'll have
>to design pilings and moorings that can withstand the pressure of being
>compressed by freezing water. Sounds like an awesome achievement, if they
>can pull it off. Who's paying for it, halfsies each country? And who had
>the most control over the design?

I don't know (embarassed grin here) but here are som info places on the web:

<http://www.algor.com/adw/oct96/oresund.htm>

(Quote from this page:

"Xresund Link Includes Bridge and Tunnel

The Xresund link will connect Copenhagen, the capital of Denmark, with
Malmx, a major Swedish
commercial and industrial city. The link will consist of three parts.

  1.A 3.7-kilometer sunken-tube tunnel, claimed to be the world's longest,
will connect the Danish coast to
    a reclaimed island.
  2.The 3.9-kilometer reclaimed island will support a viaduct which
provides a transition between the tunnel
    and the bridge.
  3.The 7.47-kilometer bridge connects the reclaimed island to Sweden.

The link, which will carry both train and vehicular traffic, will provide
an economic boon to the economies of
both countries since it will connect the regions to the European high speed
railway network. ES-CONSULT
was chosen from several organizations to consult on the bridge project.

Ensuring Safety

ES-CONSULT's goal was to propose a bridge design which was both safe and
economical. They even tested
for what would happen if a large ship crashed into it at the same time a
high-speed train crossed its length of
7,470 meters. To make sure that the 60 tons per meter weight bridge would
not crumble or the train not jump
the tracks, the engineers conducted a number of finite element analyses on
each of their designs.

"The simultaneous crash of a large ship while a train is using the bridge
is not an unlikely occurrence given the
traffic we expect over and under the Xresund," said Jakob Laigaard Jensen,
an engineer with ES-CONSULT."

For info on EU financing, see:

<http://www.eib.org/loans/cbceu96.htm>

And this is the "official" homepage about the bridge (in English):

<http://www.oresund.com/bron/>

espen

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>:

>                But I remembered why I thought it made
sense that you were Polish - it was because of this
movie - maybe you've seen it?

        When the Colonel was a shavetail morale officer he
        showed it to his cavalry troop so often that they
        got sick of it.

G. Owen

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>>Are they in Merriam Webster's 10th?
>
> Get serious, Betty Clark.  MWCD10 is the source for the answer, not
> the geographical entities from which you get the answer.  If I
> understand the rules correctly, the vowel countries are Italy, Austria,
> Yugoslavia, Albania, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

Unless there is a radical change of format between the ninth and tenth
editions, you will find, in the back of MWCD10, a section for geographical
names.  I would imagine that this would be a reasonably authoritative
source for the standard English names of those countries that were in
existence at the time MWCD10 went to press.  (My MWCD9, for example, has,
under "Magyarorszag", the entry "see HUNGARY".)

Ken Miller
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On  7 Mar 98 at 20:42, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> I am spending some time this weekend watching movies I have taped but now I
> have gone back to one I watch umpteen times every year, and which to me
> seems to be *the best* movie ever made: Dr. Strangelove.

I doubt you'd have much argument that it was the best black
comedy ever made.

> The more I watch it the more I discover.

I haven't seen it in years, but I think you're right that it
bears repeated viewing, and probably still holds up.  I remember
seeing it in a Times Square movie when it first came out.
Times Square was dominated by the giant image of Slim
Pickens riding the bomb to glory.

Myles

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espen:
>I am not sure. They are building an artificial island

Is that the one that's using a recycled well platform?
The one Greenpeace was all up-in-arms about?

For some reason, that was Big News down here.  I guess
the reuse of drilling equipment angle, or something.

Maybe we'll build a bridge from here to the Yucatan.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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At 14:11 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>On  7 Mar 98 at 20:42, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
>> I am spending some time this weekend watching movies I have taped but now I
>> have gone back to one I watch umpteen times every year, and which to me
>> seems to be *the best* movie ever made: Dr. Strangelove.
>
>I doubt you'd have much argument that it was the best black
>comedy ever made.
>
>> The more I watch it the more I discover.
>
>I haven't seen it in years, but I think you're right that it
>bears repeated viewing, and probably still holds up.  I remember
>seeing it in a Times Square movie when it first came out.
>Times Square was dominated by the giant image of Slim
>Pickens riding the bomb to glory.
>

I wish I had seen that. There is one point where I wonder if Kubrick is
confused about what it means that something has a half life of so and so
many years but it sort of saved later when Dr. Strangelove has to use his
slideruler to find out when it will be safe to leave the caves.

"Gentlemen, you cannot fight here. This is the war-room."

espen

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At 12:26 08.03.98 -0600, Richard Scheidt wrote:
>espen:
>>I am not sure. They are building an artificial island
>
>Is that the one that's using a recycled well platform?
>The one Greenpeace was all up-in-arms about?
>
>For some reason, that was Big News down here.  I guess
>the reuse of drilling equipment angle, or something.

The island is more than three kilometres long, so they probably need more
than one platform. But Greenpeace is in general negative towards the
bridge, as far as I have seen. Speaking of platforms, did I mention that a
couple of years ago a drilling platform that was in Bergen for repair tore
loose in a storm and hit a bridge over a fjord in the city?

espen

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              <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>

>Unless there is a radical change of format between the ninth and tenth
>editions, you will find, in the back of MWCD10, a section for geographical
>names.  I would imagine that this would be a reasonably authoritative
>source for the standard English names of those countries that were in
>existence at the time MWCD10 went to press.  (My MWCD9, for example, has,
>under "Magyarorszag", the entry "see HUNGARY".)
>
>Ken Miller
>Director of Circumratiocination
>Bellman School of Cartography

 No problem.  The entries for Armenia and Azerbaijan in the 10th
 both say "independent country SE Europe".  Take *that*, Mr. Pure
 Europe!

 brad

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At 20:29 08.03.98 +0100, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>bridge, as far as I have seen. Speaking of platforms, did I mention that a
>couple of years ago a drilling platform that was in Bergen for repair tore
>loose in a storm and hit a bridge over a fjord in the city?

That same fjord (or the beginning of it) can be seen on the photo from the
cafeteria in the law faculty's building. (It sems unjust that the lawyers
in spe should have the most beautiful views from their cafeteria. I think
the Arts department should try to steal it away from them.)

<http://www.hd.uib.no/allc/img0033.jpg>

espen

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>Turkey, yes, because of the part that is on this side of the Bosporos, but
>definetly not the Asian countries between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
>
>espen

Here we reach an interesting and perhaps unresolvable issue: unlike the
African or the American continents, Europe is defined, not by sharp
geographic features, but by abstract concepts, some of them historic, some
of them social, all of them rather abitrary.  Almost everyone agrees that
the western part of that land mass is Europe, and the eastern part is Asia,
but that leaves the question of where to draw the line, and what to do with
those countries that are too western to be Asian, and too eastern to be
European.

I really don't see how, if you're going to include Russia, you can exclude
Azerbaijan and Armenia.  After all, when their citizens were citizens of
the USSR, they were counted as European, were they not?

Ken Miller
Director of Circumratiocination
Bellman School of Cartography

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At 14:25 08.03.98 EST, Brad Grissom wrote:
> No problem.  The entries for Armenia and Azerbaijan in the 10th
> both say "independent country SE Europe".  Take *that*, Mr. Pure
> Europe!

In my paperback MW from 1989 there is a part called "Foreign Words and
Phrases". Does that mean that one can use words from this part, too?

The problem seems to be to decide where is Europe's southern border with
Asia between the Caspian and the Black Sea? Most Europeans would say that
it follows Russia's southern border in that area.

espen

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At 11:35 08.03.98 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
>Here we reach an interesting and perhaps unresolvable issue: unlike the
>African or the American continents, Europe is defined, not by sharp
>geographic features, but by abstract concepts, some of them historic, some
>of them social, all of them rather abitrary.  Almost everyone agrees that
>the western part of that land mass is Europe, and the eastern part is Asia,
>but that leaves the question of where to draw the line, and what to do with
>those countries that are too western to be Asian, and too eastern to be
>European.

Here it is actually a north-south question.

>
>I really don't see how, if you're going to include Russia, you can exclude
>Azerbaijan and Armenia.  After all, when their citizens were citizens of
>the USSR, they were counted as European, were they not?

Parts of Russia are in Asia (Russia and Turkey are the two-continent
countries I am sure of. Depending on how one defines Sinai Egypt may or may
not be another one.)

So Azerbaijanis and Armenians have never been considered European by me for
instance. On the other hand it may be that this whole area - extending to
the south and north of the Caucasus should be called something different
from either Europe or Asia.

espen

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Dr. Strangelove:
>"Gentlemen, you cannot fight here. This is the war-room."

 "Peace is our profession."  (Although this did not have to be
  invented.)  Terry Southern had a hand in the screenplay, I
  see from IMDb.

  brad

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From: Neal Traven <baseball@WORLDPATH.NET>
Subject:      Moxy at Somerville Theater
Comments: cc: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com>
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At the ninth annual Songstreet Winter Folk Festival, Emily and I arrived too
late to hear local folkie Jess Klein.  We heard most of the set of another
local, Kevin So, who was followed by the interesting Jim's Big Ego.
Following an intermission, and the giveaway of three pairs of tickets to
Falcon Ridge (rats, no winners between us), came Peter Mulvey -- nice guitar
work -- and the bluesy June Rich.  Then there was another intermission, more
FRFF tickets raffled off (they missed Emily by just two numbers this time),
and finally the headliners.

Unlike the earlier acts -- half an hour and off the stage -- Moxy played
pretty much a full set.  But what a strange set it was ... according to my
scribbled notes, which were not fully decipherable in the light of day today:

I Love My Boss
Michigan Militia
*The Present Tense Tureen
Johnny Saucep'n
You Will Go to the Moon
*The Greatest Man in America
*#Boo Time
[much patter and improvisation]
Fly
My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors
River Valley
[patter and improvisation]
*#@Today's the Day We Fight Back
*#Nuits de Reve
King of Spain
Green Eggs & Ham
Love Potion No. 9 medley
------------
The Drinking Song
------------
Gulf War Song

* = first time I've heard it live
# = first time Emily's heard it live (I think)
@ = first time heard at all, by either of us

The never-before-heard song is a political anthem of opposition to the
Progressive Conservative dismantling of Ontario.  It seems strange that
they'd play it for an American audience, but the cause clearly means a great
deal to the guys.  Maybe the 'Canadian content' French song was presented in
the same spirit.

Jian and Dave (head still shaved) seemed a bit out of sorts, while Mike was
strong all night.  Murray was his usual steady self.  For local flavor, the
KofS was introduced as 'former Bruin superstar Cam Neely.'  A tiny bit of
their thunder was stolen when Peter Mulvey used 'Goodnight Irene' as his
encore ... I wondered aloud whether MF would still do 'The Drinking Song.'

By the end, the guys all seemed tired.  I got the feeling that they wouldn't
have complained had the audience failed to demand a second encore.  After
noting that the Somerville Theater must have been built long before
amplification (vaudeville?), they sang 'Gulf War Song' standing all the way
in the front of the stage, without microphones.

The show ended just after 1am, so it's a good thing we ignored the advice
given in FDC to park elsewhere and take the T to Davis Square.  We got only
slightly lost trying to find the place, had little difficulty parking once
we got there.  Although I was less disoriented than Emily during our short
lost period, I wasn't together enough to notice the red light I ran.
Luckily, no cops were on the scene when I did so -- no harm, no foul.

Emily is now wending her way back to New Haven.

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Neal Traven                             baseball@worldpath.net
    "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                  -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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=
= Soon there will be a bridge between Sweden and Denmark.
=
= espen

I even have a picture of what it looked like a year and a half ago.
Amazing thing, it is.

steph

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From: hope dondero <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>
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I've just seen Mr. Farrell off after a delightful visit.  Briefly:

1.  We met about 2:30 yesterday afternoon.  After being introduced to
JJ (The Wonder Lab), and in turn running Jim by my house to meet
Bonehead (get him to tell you how famously they got on!) I took him to
one of my neighborhood dives featuring *cold* beer and sandwiches to die
for.  We had a late lunch, some beer, a little UNC/MD basketball, and a
lot of chatter.  He's funny as hell, btw, if you didn't already know
that.

2.  I took him back to his hotel for a rest and a shower, then grabbed
him again about 7:30 for "a drink" at the house of my friend, Sharon,
before dinner.  "A drink" turned into 2 hours and the better part of 2
bottles of wine.  Poor Jim.  We finally ambled out of there about 10:45,
and went to eat in the Fan District, at The Taphouse, where I had
quesadillas (yum) and a Legend Lager (Hi, Boo!), and Jim ate a burger
(which he also pronounced quite tasty, though I'm reasonably sure Jim
didn't say then -- and would most likely never say -- "yum") and downed
a Guiness Stout.  Again, much  talking took place.  God, he's funny as
hell.

3.  This morning brought rain (as has been the case pretty much all
winter, this weekend included -- I'm afraid the impression of Richmond
that Jim will take away from this trip is that it's a LOT like Seattle,
but without the Space Needle and the decent coffee), and I collected him
about 11:30.  We joined my sister, Pooh, and her boyfriend, Matt, for
brunch at Southern Culture (also in The Fan).  Cajun omlettes (sp?  that
looks funky), poached eggs over Baby Cakes (like crabcakes, but made
with crab, shrimp, and crawfish) over English Muffin, with jalapeno
hollandaise sauce (VERY good), hash browns, biscuits.  And Bloody Marys.
 And talking and laughing -- LOTS of laughing.  Have I mentioned that
Jim is funny as hell?

Anyway.  He's on his way to DC for a day or so, then down to NC
(Phyllis, Giggles, don't say I didn't warn you).  My advice is:  take a
nap *before* he arrives.  I've learned the hard way, and am on my way to
take one now.

-hope

WORTH NOTING #1:  JJ is probably the most beautiful, most endearing
black lab I've ever met

WORTH NOTING #2:  We didn't dish the list much at all (Jim and I, that
is.  JJ and I dished y'all plenty).

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>:
>I really don't see how, if you're going to include Russia, you can exclude
>Azerbaijan and Armenia.  After all, when their citizens were citizens of
>the USSR, they were counted as European, were they not?

        What was it Samuel Clemens said?  "The Russian is an
        all-right fellow, until he sticks his shirt-tail in
        and tries to be a European."

JMW

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      a great book
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Am in the midst of what is probably going to become my new all-time
avorite book: Life, A User's Manual by Georges Perec. Orig. pub.
Hachette 1978, but I'm reading a later English translation.

A 500-page novel with no plot, but 100 plots. A novel with an index.
The best descriptive writing I've ever seen.

The gist of it is that an artist decides to paint a final work that will
encompass everything he's seen. This book is about the apartment
building in which he has lived for many years. It describes each
apartment or room in exquisite detail, and then digresses into
interesting stories or anecdotes about all the residents, past and
present.

Nowhere but in this book would you find a 20-stone woman dressed as a
Quaker, on her way to a masquerade ball whilst carrying a large jar of
pickles under her arm. And in the lid to this jar is secreted a
tarantula, because...this woman intends to murder someone. This is just
one page of the 500.

You've gotta read it! Last several pages got wet, but it's free to a
good home when I've finished.

alyce

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>:

> "Peace is our profession."  (Although this did not have to be
>  invented.)  Terry Southern had a hand in the screenplay, I
>  see from IMDb.

        And James Earl Jones first film, I believe.
        "CRM-114, still negative function..."

John "A feller could have a pretty good time in Vegas with this!" W.

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At 19:15 08.03.98 +0100, steph wrote:
>=
>= Soon there will be a bridge between Sweden and Denmark.
>=
>= espen
>
>I even have a picture of what it looked like a year and a half ago.
>Amazing thing, it is.

And the tunnel out from Copenhagen is close by the airport so I see it
every time I change planes there.

espen

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On  8 Mar 98 at 11:35, Bookrat wrote:

> I really don't see how, if you're going to include Russia, you can exclude
> Azerbaijan and Armenia.  After all, when their citizens were citizens of
> the USSR, they were counted as European, were they not?

If there's a citation for placing them in Europe, I say fine,
include 'em.  But I don't think they'll help a lot.  At least all I
can get from where they're placed is Ararat, which is only six
letters and not acceptable anyway.  "Your answer word must
be uncapitalized."

Myles

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At 16:36 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>On  8 Mar 98 at 11:35, Bookrat wrote:
>
>> I really don't see how, if you're going to include Russia, you can exclude
>> Azerbaijan and Armenia.  After all, when their citizens were citizens of
>> the USSR, they were counted as European, were they not?
>
>If there's a citation for placing them in Europe, I say fine,
>include 'em.  But I don't think they'll help a lot.  At least all I
>can get from where they're placed is Ararat, which is only six
>letters and not acceptable anyway.  "Your answer word must
>be uncapitalized."

But if you include them it would have to be because their border with
Turkey is the Europe-Asia border, so other countries like Georgia have to
be included.

espen

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At 06:47 PM 3/8/98 +0100, you wrote:
>At 09:45 08.03.98 -0800, you wrote:
>>At 03:58 PM 3/8/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>>The only way to include Norway is to have it somewhere on the end,
>>
>>
>>not so, since you can return from whence you came, so if you could somehow
>>come up with a word that had "sns" in the middle...
>>
>
>Or "..rnf.."
>
Russia, Norway, Finland?...

eek

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On  8 Mar 98 at 22:41, Espen S. Ore wrote:

> At 16:36 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
> >On  8 Mar 98 at 11:35, Bookrat wrote:
> >
> >> I really don't see how, if you're going to include Russia, you can exclude
> >> Azerbaijan and Armenia.  After all, when their citizens were citizens of
> >> the USSR, they were counted as European, were they not?
> >
> >If there's a citation for placing them in Europe, I say fine,
> >include 'em.  But I don't think they'll help a lot.  At least all I
> >can get from where they're placed is Ararat, which is only six
> >letters and not acceptable anyway.  "Your answer word must
> >be uncapitalized."
>
> But if you include them it would have to be because their border with
> Turkey is the Europe-Asia border, so other countries like Georgia have to
> be included.

There you go.  Gaataraatagata must be one of Smilla's words
for snow, at the very least!

Myles

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From: Natalie Maynor <maynor@GOL.COM>
Subject:      Puzzles and Food
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Various People:
[country puzzle]

I like that puzzle!  I wish I had time to think about it, but today is
way busy.  I should have already set nomail.  Re the Faeroe Islands, it
seems to me that if you can call England, Scotland, and Wales separate
countries, you can certainly call the Faeroes a separate country.

Alyce:
>Did you eat it? Did you keep it for a souvenir?

I think it's still in my coat pocket.  I should retrieve it and either
throw it away or put it away somewhere to keep as a souvenir.  I didn't
eat it because there were far too many masked people in the crowd.  Although
the giver wasn't masked, I thought his hands might be nevertheless germy.
If I had been in the mood for a skinny frito, that wouldn't have deterred
me, of course, but I wasn't.  (If it had been a hunk of something like
chocolate, I would've.)

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

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From: Larry Clark <klmiller@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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> On  7 Mar 98 at 20:42, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>
> > I am spending some time this weekend watching movies I have taped but now I
> > have gone back to one I watch umpteen times every year, and which to me
> > seems to be *the best* movie ever made: Dr. Strangelove.

This is one of my favorite movies too. I saw it for the first time when I
was in the Air Force. It was shown at the base (SAC) theater, which of
course was packed with Airmen. The howls of audience laughter were
deafening.


Larry
Peace was my profession.

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At 00:16 08/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't usually have them in the house, but Doug bought some when he was
>here. This afternoon I was hungry, and found I had no bread for a
>sandwich, so decided to have peanut butter a la Triscuit. Took one bite
>and snapped a tooth in half. And I guess I swallowed the half!
>Had to happen on the weekend, of course, but I do have a dentist's
>appointment early Monday morning,

You and me both
Maggy


 which was to have been for cleaning.
>Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!
>
>alyce
>--
>alyce cresap, books & ephemera
>po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
>518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net
>
>

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At 22:19 07/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Maggy or Sarah B wrote:
>>
>> I am amazed to hear that wooden tiles are normal with you.
>
>I've never seen any non-wooden ones.

Now I'm even more amazed, shall I send a set?

Maggy
>
>alyce
>
>

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: I hate Triscuits
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At 21:27 07/03/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
>> I don't usually have them in the house, but Doug bought some when he was
>> here. This afternoon I was hungry, and found I had no bread for a
>> sandwich, so decided to have peanut butter a la Triscuit. Took one bite
>> and snapped a tooth in half. And I guess I swallowed the half!
>> Had to happen on the weekend, of course, but I do have a dentist's
>> appointment early Monday morning, which was to have been for cleaning.
>> Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!
>
>It's the peanut butter that did it!

I have to ask, what are Triscuits? please

Maggy

>
>Betty
>
>

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Maggy or Sarah B said:
> I have to ask, what are Triscuits? please

A kind of cracker. For putting cheese or peanut butter on.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Richard Scheidt wrote:

> Maybe we'll build a bridge from here to the Yucatan.

Yes, that way the armed insurgents can pay a bridge toll and emigrate to
Lousiana.

-aht

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:

> John "A feller could have a pretty good time in Vegas with this!" W.

If you look carefully at Pickens' lips as he says that line, you can read
"Dallas" instead of "Vegas." Unfortunately JFK was killed while the movie
was in edit, and it was decided that the potential for backlash was too
great--the idea of an out-of-control nuclear bomber pilot joking about
anything in Dallas, the nation still torn by emotion and rage, etc.

-aht

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>Maggy or Sarah B said:
>> I have to ask, what are Triscuits? please
>
>A kind of cracker. For putting cheese or peanut butter on.
>Karen

I think they're very good even without anything on them.
ndh (who doesn't buy them because she knows she will eat them)

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>Maggy or Sarah B said:
> I have to ask, what are Triscuits?

        Whole wheat crackers, but textured much like shredded
        wheat cereal.  (You know, those little Brillo-shaped
        jobbies?)  You undoubtedly have something similar, but
        I wouldn't know what it could be.  What are Wheatabix
        like?

John (Na-bis-CO! [ding] )

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>
> If you look carefully at Pickens' lips as he says that line, you can read
> "Dallas" instead of "Vegas." Unfortunately JFK was killed while the movie
> was in edit, and it was decided that the potential for backlash was too
> great--the idea of an out-of-control nuclear bomber pilot joking about
> anything in Dallas, the nation still torn by emotion and rage, etc.
>
> -aht
>
It's pretty hard to lipread a word like "Dallas", because the lips are not
moving and the sounds are formed within the mouth.

jinny

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> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
> > My father was in a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital (my local hometown
> > hospital) over Thanksgiving once, and they had vegetarian turkeys. I
>
> I work with two SDA's and neither one of them is veggie, or has ever
> mentioned an ersatz turkey. This must have been a weirdness inspired by
> dietary requirements, not religious proscriptions.
>
> -aht
>

SDA headquarters is here in Takoma Park.  My son Steve teaches improv
piano at Columbia Union College, an SDA institution.  The SDA's I know
here are vegetarians.  Perhaps Texans are too far from HQ?

jinny

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
> so how was Moxy in Somerville last night, Neal, Emily??


My friend Laurie (that y'all met at Falcon Ridge) was there as well.
Anyone spot her?

Aunti

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              Jones" at Mar 8, 98 08:26:14 pm

Jinny Jones said:
> It's pretty hard to lipread a word like "Dallas", because the lips are not
> moving and the sounds are formed within the mouth.

Your mouth has to open for the first 'a'.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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JMW said:
>        Whole wheat crackers, but textured much like shredded
>        wheat cereal.  (You know, those little Brillo-shaped
>        jobbies?)  You undoubtedly have something similar, but
>        I wouldn't know what it could be.  What are Wheatabix
>        like?
>
What I like better than Triscuits are Wheat Thins, and what I like even
better than those are Better Cheddars (which I now call Budder Chudders
because that's what Patricia used to call them)
ndh (who wishes Joe would hurry up and eat the two boxes of Girl Scout Thin
Mints and the box of Peanut Butter Patties so the temptation would be out
of the house)

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:

> It's pretty hard to lipread a word like "Dallas", because the lips are not
> moving and the sounds are formed within the mouth.

Okay, whatever it is you read when you can't hear the voice but you can
see the mouth moving.

-aht

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:

> here are vegetarians.  Perhaps Texans are too far from HQ?

Yeah, whatever. I'm sure that's just exactly it.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:
> > It's pretty hard to lipread a word like "Dallas", because the lips are not
> > moving and the sounds are formed within the mouth.
>
> Okay, whatever it is you read when you can't hear the voice but you can
> see the mouth moving.

Part of the fun of going to silent films was watching the mouths move.
It was even more fun to go to a silent Japanese film and lipread.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Field of Dreams
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Got your tourney bracket in front of you, Betty Clark?  What do you
think?  The Committee did an excellent job this year, in both selections
and seedings.  Maybe because they put a Kentuckian (C. M. Newton) in
charge of the deliberations.

I see UKy with two wins in Atlanta (the floor where they demolished
South Carolina today 86-56; this is almost unthinkable).  After that,
I don't know.  I am allowing myself to think about a Duke matchup
in the regional final at St. Petersburg, but the Woof Gods don't like
it when you think that far ahead.

The five teams from the Big Ten+ will acquit themselves well after
battle-testing in the postseason tourney.  I am afraid of Michigan for
selfish reasons.  Purdue has taken so much shit over the years, this
may be their hour.

You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.

I have said too much already.

braddy

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Maggy or Sarah B wrote:
>
> Now I'm even more amazed, shall I send a set?

No thanks. I have no one here to play with, and if I did, I could use
the wooden ones I have. Haven't played Scrabble in years.

alyce

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> Got your tourney bracket in front of you, Betty Clark?  What do you
> think?  The Committee did an excellent job this year, in both selections
> and seedings.  Maybe because they put a Kentuckian (C. M. Newton) in
> charge of the deliberations.

http://www.finalfour.net/ tells it all. Do you follow the women at all?
It's the only time I can root for Stanfurd. They showed Chelsea on TV last
night at the men's game.

> You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.

Yes, you do.

> I have said too much already.

Let the madness begin!

Betty

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>Let the madness begin!
>
>Betty

 And let Ashley Judd be there for every Kentucky game!

 brad

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>:
>What I like better than Triscuits are Wheat Thins

        Yet another reason to love this woman, as if anyone
        needed one - she has wicked good taste in snack crackers.

JMW

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JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
> From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>:
> >What I like better than Triscuits are Wheat Thins
>
>         Yet another reason to love this woman, as if anyone
>         needed one - she has wicked good taste in snack crackers.

Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>http://www.finalfour.net/ tells it all. Do you follow the women at all?
>It's the only time I can root for Stanfurd. They showed Chelsea on TV last
>night at the men's game.

 Does Stanford have its tournament hat on?  I am thinking of picking
 them to be upset by #14 seed College of Charleston.

 Yes, I do follow the women.  :)

 brad

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I miss snow and blizzards.

Evelyn

----------
Espen wrote:

At 19:56 06.03.98 +0900, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>I'm happy to report that the snow that was forecast for this afternoon
>hasn't shown up yet.  I hope it doesn't come tomorrow since I've got to

While here we have beautiful winter weather.

espen

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              98 10:47:13 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> I think it does, via rivers, but I don't think that ships go through it
> as part of the seaway. I can be wrong about this, of course. As I
> understood what I heard, the study is about the extent to which the
> mussels spread. Clyde would know more about this. They know that the
> mussels adhere to ship hulls, and I think the question is: can they get
> off somewhere along the way and then spread without a carrier like a
> ship. And if yes, how and how far? This is interesting, because then
> there is the potential for them to infest inland waterways all over the
> country/world.

Right, I understand this. I don't understand why Lake Champlain had to
be declared a Great Lake for this to happen.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.

You're a sick person, Karen. Either that, or you're some kind of martyr.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> > cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.
>
> You're a sick person, Karen. Either that, or you're some kind of martyr.

No, I really like them.

On the other hand I bought some fat-free cheese at Trader Joe's that
doesn't melt, but only burns. I won't be getting it again.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
> > From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>:
> > >What I like better than Triscuits are Wheat Thins
> >
> >         Yet another reason to love this woman, as if anyone
> >         needed one - she has wicked good taste in snack crackers.
>
> Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.

Fat free sucks.

Betty

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Betty Clark said:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> > cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.
>
> Fat free sucks.

Can you really taste the difference between regular saltines and
fat-free saltines? I can't.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Fat free sucks.
>
> Can you really taste the difference between regular saltines and
> fat-free saltines? I can't.

Definitely. Fat-free tastes kind of papery. By the time you load 'em up
with butter or PB or something, though, they're OK.

However, I'm not eating bread products these days :(

Verdant

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>consecutive countries in Europe? For example, you can spell the word
>FISHY on a trip starting in France, which gives you the letter
>F; from there you go to Italy for I, Slovenia for S, Hungary for H,
>and Yugoslavia for Y. That's a 5-letter answer -- what's the best

As usual, Will has been insufficiently anal-retentive.  Yugoslavia is
currently an un-country (at least, in the official opinion of the U.S.
government), and it is as impossible to go to Yugoslavia as it is to go to
Assyria--that is, you can go to where it once was, but then you introduce
all kinds of complications regarding historical boundaries.

>that you can do? To count, the countries must be CONNECTED
>BY LAND, and the initial letters must be taken in order. We're

What about those countries that have two disjunct areas?  For example,
there's a little tiny sliver of Russia between Lithuania and Poland; and by
the rules of the game, it appears that one could spell BURP by going from
Belarus to Ukraine to Russia to Poland, even though the part of Russia that
borders on Ukraine is not connected to the part of Russia that borders on
Poland.  (Something similar happens where Bosnia-Herzegovina cuts through
Croatia, but I can't for the life of me find an English word anywhere in
that region.)

By the way--the CIA World Factbook lists Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia,
Russia, and Turkey in the section for Asia.  It also lists the Vatican
under "Holy See (Vatican City)".

Ken Miller
Conde Nast School of Cartography

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Movies
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At 20:19 08.03.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:
>
>> It's pretty hard to lipread a word like "Dallas", because the lips are not
>> moving and the sounds are formed within the mouth.
>
>Okay, whatever it is you read when you can't hear the voice but you can
>see the mouth moving.

Which reminds me of something I saw on the <culture> channel yesterday:
sometime in the 1920ies Brecht wanted to have himself filmed when he read
one of his poems so that later actors and readers would know how to read
it. This was a silent movie and nobody remembered to write down which poem
he read ...

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Sunday Puzzle - edging Norway into the solution
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At 13:47 08.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>>
>>Or "..rnf.."
>>
>Russia, Norway, Finland?...
>
>eek


Or "rnfsnr"

espen

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 00:36:34 1998
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At 16:58 08.03.98 -0500, Myles Callum wrote:
>
>There you go.  Gaataraatagata must be one of Smilla's words
>for snow, at the very least!

And I watched the second of the modern Batman movies on Saturday, the one
with Catwoman and the Penguin. There was something funny about the snow
there, especially in a couple of scenes where it should have been thrown up
by the cars' wheels and showered the pedestrians.

espen

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At 18:18 08.03.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
>
>> John "A feller could have a pretty good time in Vegas with this!" W.
>
>If you look carefully at Pickens' lips as he says that line, you can read
>"Dallas" instead of "Vegas." Unfortunately JFK was killed while the movie

Aha! Dallas *would* be more in keeping with the persona.

espen

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 11:37 PM 3/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
>> cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.
>
>You're a sick person, Karen. Either that, or you're some kind of martyr.
>
Fat free and reduced fat are plots to control the minds and souls of the
benighted. Undoubtedly devised by the same people who think that lima beans
and brussels sprouts are good for us. And carrot sticks. Or any raw
vegetable unless of course it is liberally smothered in ranch dressing. No,
not fat free ranch dressing. An oxymoron if I ever heard one. Fat free ice
cream? Puhlease.  Ritz crackers are a rich, melting wondrous delight.
Anything with reduced fat is NOT a Ritz.

s

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I'm setting nomail now.  Save anything interesting till the 17th or so.

 -- Natalie (maynor@gol.com)

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 00:50:53 1998
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At 23:47 08.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>Fat free and reduced fat are plots to control the minds and souls of the
>benighted. Undoubtedly devised by the same people who think that lima beans
>and brussels sprouts are good for us. And carrot sticks. Or any raw
>vegetable unless of course it is liberally smothered in ranch dressing. No,

I mainly agree with you, with the addition of artificial sweetening. But I
must admit that I eat a whole raw carrot now and then and that skimmed,
sour(1) milk has been the traditional milk-drink in most pastoral European
societies while the ful-fat fresh milk one can buy now was a luxury item.

1) I.e. what's left after you have made butter. Another popular drink was
whey.

espen

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Myles Callum wrote:

  >What is the longest word from the initial letters
  >in a chain of
  >consecutive countries in Europe?

  I think the answer is LENA TWETSKI in this case as
well. Or something like it, anyway. I notice that
Brad Grissom thinks this is an "excellent puzzle",
which suggests to me that it must have a Polish
aspect that I'm overlooking. Maybe there is some
word in Webster's 10th Collegiate with lots of P's
in it? Something like PAPAPAPAPA, assuming Poland
is next to Austria - it should be, since they're both
in the middle of Europe, right? You could get the
Pope in there too, since the Vatican is sort of a
country.

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  Natalie Maynor wrote:

  >I'm setting nomail now. Save anything interesting
  >till the 17th or so.

  Is that because Natalie is the moderator for this
list?

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Sunday Puzzle
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In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:01:27 -0500 from
              <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>

>  >What is the longest word from the initial letters
>  >in a chain of
>  >consecutive countries in Europe?
>
>  I think the answer is LENA TWETSKI in this case as
>well. Or something like it, anyway. I notice that
>Brad Grissom thinks this is an "excellent puzzle",
>which suggests to me that it must have a Polish
>aspect that I'm overlooking. Maybe there is some
>word in Webster's 10th Collegiate with lots of P's
>in it? Something like PAPAPAPAPA, assuming Poland
>is next to Austria - it should be, since they're both
>in the middle of Europe, right? You could get the
>Pope in there too, since the Vatican is sort of a
>country.

 Poland is bordered on the south by the pollutant-belching
 factories of Czechy and Slovakia, as you yourself have pointed
 out in posts under a different alias.

 brad

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From: Arnold Wittinger <frotz@EARTHLING.NET>
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  Brad Grissom wrote:

  > Poland is bordered on the south by the
  > pollutant-belching factories of Czechy and
  > Slovakia, as you yourself have point out in
  > posts under a different alias.

  Now that you mention it I think I knew that - my
picture of central Europe is a bit blurred, but
Austria is further south, right? But I don't know
what you mean by different alias (I only use
"frotz"), and I think you have me confused with
somebody else - not surprising on this list, which
seems to have a lot of active contributors. None
of the other lists I've tried out is this lively.

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Our new correspondent Arnold
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

If you do a DejaNews searchon Arnold Wittinger, then the only hit you
get is an article from today from sci.math from Torkel.

steph

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From: Torkel Franzen <torkel@SICS.SE>
Subject:      Re: Our new correspondent Arnold
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              <199803091320.IAA01810@mx03.globecomm.net>

  Steph says:

  >If you do a DejaNews searchon Arnold Wittinger, then the only hit you
  >get is an article from today from sci.math from Torkel.

  Found me out fair and square!

  This was the article:

"Henk" <hwj@wr.com.au> writes:

  >Shoddy science and scientific deception have become widespread
  >since 1850.

  Here we must make an exception for the great works of Dr Arnold
Wittinger, which exposed the fallacies of Cantorian set theory
even before that sorry subject was invented.

  >Regarding "scientific deception" you may like to download and read the book
  >"Your endangered Mind, The Great Scientific Deception" placed on the Web by
  >Prof Robert A. Herrmann [http://www.serve.com/herrmann/gsc.htm].

  Pah! Herrmann's writings, like thouse of Noel Balzer, which you
unaccountably refer to, are permeated with just the sort of Cantorian
deception that they ostensibly repudiate. As Dr Arnold Wittinger has
conclusively demonstrated, the human mind cannot countenance such
un-proving non-mathematics and deceptive pseudo-unfolding of
non-concepts as that presented by Cantor, Herrmann and Balzer.

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
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Are you sure that's you, Torkel?  I was just saying to Roy
that I thought Arnold was Tushar.  But then it's all the
rage to think that all these new correspondents are Tushar.

Well, either way, welcome back.

steph

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> The five teams from the Big Ten+ will acquit themselves well after
> battle-testing in the postseason tourney.  I am afraid of Michigan for
> selfish reasons.  Purdue has taken so much shit over the years, this
> may be their hour.
>
> You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.

Once again, I have hoeps for an all-ACC Final Four.  And another national
championship for my Tarheels.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
     UNC-Chapel Hill

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Torkel Franzen wrote:

> deception that they ostensibly repudiate. As Dr Arnold Wittinger has
> conclusively demonstrated, the human mind cannot countenance such
> un-proving non-mathematics and deceptive pseudo-unfolding of
> non-concepts as that presented by Cantor, Herrmann and Balzer.

Welcome back Torkel!  HOw are you?  And Marcia & the kitties?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Happy Birthday to the Bandwidth Pig.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On  8 Mar 98 at 22:59, Bookrat wrote:

> What about those countries that have two disjunct areas?  For example,
> there's a little tiny sliver of Russia between Lithuania and Poland; and by
> the rules of the game, it appears that one could spell BURP by going from
> Belarus to Ukraine to Russia to Poland, even though the part of Russia that
> borders on Ukraine is not connected to the part of Russia that borders on
> Poland.  (Something similar happens where Bosnia-Herzegovina cuts through
> Croatia, but I can't for the life of me find an English word anywhere in
> that region.)

I was on a roll with SCHRYARI (an old musical instrument) just above
that area, but I only got as far as s-c-h-r-y-a.  Dang!

Myles

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On  9 Mar 98 at 14:26, Torkel Franzen wrote:

>   Steph says:
>
>   >If you do a DejaNews searchon Arnold Wittinger, then the only hit you
>   >get is an article from today from sci.math from Torkel.
>
>   Found me out fair and square!

Good to see you!  How's life in Lulea?

Myles

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              98 10:36:40 pm

Janet W. Hardy said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Can you really taste the difference between regular saltines and
> > fat-free saltines? I can't.
>
> Definitely. Fat-free tastes kind of papery. By the time you load 'em up
> with butter or PB or something, though, they're OK.

I think that's what I like about them. I also like Carr's water
crackers, though.

> However, I'm not eating bread products these days :(

Why?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 8, 98 11:47:44 pm

Shoshana Edwards said:
> Anything with reduced fat is NOT a Ritz.

Have you tried them?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Wittinger" at Mar 9, 98 06:03:07 am

Arnold Wittinger said:
>   Natalie Maynor wrote:
>   >I'm setting nomail now. Save anything interesting
>   >till the 17th or so.
>
>   Is that because Natalie is the moderator for this
> list?

Moderator schmoderator.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Phyllis C. Petree" at Mar 9, 98 08:46:11 am

Phyllis C. Petree said:
> Happy Birthday to the Bandwidth Pig.

Indeed. And many more.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>Fat free sucks.

Nope.  Fat-free pretzels don't stick to my teeth.

And on a seasonal culinary note, the year's first
go-round with cornstarch pudding (a/k/a blancmange)
didn't quite turn out.  I don't know if it was the
skim milk, or that I forgot a TBSP of the c'starch.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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>Happy Birthday to the Bandwidth Pig.
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

Yes, Anne, happy birthday!  Have a wonderful day!  I certainly hope you
have a much nicer one than Joe did Saturday, coughing and sneezing and
surrounded by coughing, sneezing women.
ndh (antibiotics are wonderful things)

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From: Torkel Franzen <torkel@SICS.SE>
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In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:41:36 +0100."
              <199803091334.IAA16077@mx01.globecomm.net>

  >Are you sure that's you, Torkel?  I was just saying to Roy
  >that I thought Arnold was Tushar.  But then it's all the
  >rage to think that all these new correspondents are Tushar.

  Well, how do I know you're not Tushar? Let's see, hmm...can
you correctly identfy the first person from the right in the
picture at http://www.sm.luth.se/~torkel/pictures/sweden.jpg?
(If you say it's Rabindranath Tagore, I know you're Tushar.)

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In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:17:32 EST."
              <199803091411.JAA28340@mx01.globecomm.net>

  >Good to see you!  How's life in Lulea?

  Snowy and pleasant. Your own fair countenance has long graced my
home page, prompting numerous inquiries as to the identity of this
almost saintly-looking sage who is seen bestowing his bounty and
benevolence on mankind.

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUGFGQVBBM94C00Y@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> from "Richard Scheidt" at
              Mar 9, 98 08:31:54 am

Richard Scheidt said:
> Nope.  Fat-free pretzels don't stick to my teeth.

Those are good.

> And on a seasonal culinary note, the year's first
> go-round with cornstarch pudding (a/k/a blancmange)
> didn't quite turn out.  I don't know if it was the
> skim milk, or that I forgot a TBSP of the c'starch.

I bet on the cornstarch.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Torkel Franzen <torkel@SICS.SE>
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              <199803091343.IAA09711@mx03.globecomm.net>

  >Welcome back Torkel!  HOw are you?  And Marcia & the kitties?

  The cats pull down the potted plants at night, and Marcia, half
awake, mumbles and mutters about making cat kebab out of them. We're
doing fine.

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, steph wrote:

> If you do a DejaNews searchon Arnold Wittinger, then the only hit you
> get is an article from today from sci.math from Torkel.

That confirms my suspicions.

-aht

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> Welcome back Torkel!  HOw are you?  And Marcia & the kitties?

And the worms!

Betty

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
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Karen:
>I bet on the cornstarch.

It also could have been my own impatience, which
was caused by the other things I was trying to do
at the same time.

I won't make the same mistakes in Round Two.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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At 06:26 AM 3/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Shoshana Edwards said:
>> Anything with reduced fat is NOT a Ritz.
>
>Have you tried them?
>
Yup. Faintly Ritz-flavored cardboard. Kinda like rice cakes. You think they
oughta taste good, especially the ones with popcorn or cheese or cinnamon
flavor. But they're just flavored styrofoam.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.

Of course, Keebler's Club crackers are the finest, with or without
trimmings.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Right, I understand this. I don't understand why Lake Champlain had to
> be declared a Great Lake for this to happen.

Oh that's because of the "balanced budget" agreement. Congress can't
appropriate new money for this study, and there was no other way to get
Lake Champlain into it.

alyce

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> Fat free sucks.

And now get ready for Olean--the new trade name for Olestra, which is
coming to a store near you. Never saw so many commercials for a new
product in my life.

alyce

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I've been silent; relatively that is for me. I'm getting drained. This is
really hard work.

Morgan is mostly bedridden now. He can still get in and out of bed with
difficult, and can walk to the kitchen or the bathroom. But that's about
it. He weighs about 102 pounds, and it is so painful to see him trying to
sit. Last night he tried to sit on the floor in front of the fire, despite
my begging him not to. I know he needs to do these things, and I try not to
narc at him too much. But as I feared, he could not get up, and I had to
help him. A friend is coming this morning so I can go to the chiropractor.

I think his body is shutting down at last. He eats very, very little, and
rarely drinks. Mostly he sleeps. He used to love the X-Files, but no longer
watches because it gives him nightmares.  This I understand.

We have a hospital bed in the living room, and he pretty much lives in it.
Our bed is already lonely at night, but I have a nursery monitor so I can
hear him. I HATE sleeping alone. It is strange to do so after 18 years. We
have never been apart for more than a few days in all that time. And I
always hated having him away.

I am reading a book called Widow's Walk. It is helping.

I haven't wanted to bum you out by writing, but then I realized how much I
need you all. One of you has suggested to me that I need to tell people
what I need, because they probably don't know what to say. I just need to
know what I still exist for you. I don't know what I need. Sylvia
understands. You want to ask for things. You know that people are wanting
to do something. But what the hell do you ask for when nothing will make it
okay?  I guess I would like to get cards in the mail. Not email; not
animated greeting cards; real live in-the-mailbox-mail. That would be cool.
Many of you have sent cards, and they are much appreciated. I have kept
them all and will continue to do so. Yea, that's what I want. Funny cards.

And to keep reading Words-L. A little spot of lively sanity in a mad, mad
world.

Love, Sho

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > However, I'm not eating bread products these days :(
>
> Why?

Doing a high-protein low-carb regime, on the advice of my trainer.
Feeling great -- no weird blood sugar highs and lows, and I've lost some
weight.

Verdant
cottage cheese
poster child

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              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 9, 98 08:01:37 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> At 06:26 AM 3/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Shoshana Edwards said:
> >> Anything with reduced fat is NOT a Ritz.
> >
> >Have you tried them?
> >
> Yup. Faintly Ritz-flavored cardboard. Kinda like rice cakes. You think they
> oughta taste good, especially the ones with popcorn or cheese or cinnamon
> flavor. But they're just flavored styrofoam.

Are you thinking of the AirCrisp ones? AirCrisp Ritz are marginal, but
the Ritz ones are good, in my opinion.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              98 10:52:01 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> > cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.
>
> Of course, Keebler's Club crackers are the finest, with or without
> trimmings.

True.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Torkel Franzen wrote:

>   >Are you sure that's you, Torkel?  I was just saying to Roy
>   >that I thought Arnold was Tushar.  But then it's all the
>   >rage to think that all these new correspondents are Tushar.
>
>   Well, how do I know you're not Tushar? Let's see, hmm...can
> you correctly identfy the first person from the right in the
> picture at http://www.sm.luth.se/~torkel/pictures/sweden.jpg?
> (If you say it's Rabindranath Tagore, I know you're Tushar.)

Hey, those people were also spotted in Oakland last year!

Betty

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On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> Alyce Cresap said:
> > Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!
>
> My sincere sympathies. I once ate a prune, which I dearly love, that
> had the same effect. Now I eat them, but very carefully.

For me it was a Cracker Jack that did it.

Marie

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Subject:      Age and beauty
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

The woman who played the old woman in Titanic and Kim Basinger tied
for best supporting actress in the Screen Actors Guild awards.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Our new correspondent Arnold
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

= Hey, those people were also spotted in Oakland last year!
=
= Betty

All four of them?!

steph

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From: "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's big news
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Good grief!  We just got our our Scrabble sets a few days
ago, as it happened, and discovered that each of us is
missing one or two tiles.  I wonder where we should write
in an attempt to buy or beg replacement tiles...

love, judith and paul

(yes, we know we could make one complete set, but that's not
what we wnat)

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 11:32:14 1998
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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Birthday
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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> >Happy Birthday to the Bandwidth Pig.
> >   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>
> Yes, Anne, happy birthday!  Have a wonderful day!  I certainly hope you
> have a much nicer one than Joe did Saturday, coughing and sneezing and
> surrounded by coughing, sneezing women.
> ndh (antibiotics are wonderful things)

And we forgot him, too!

Happy belated birthday, Joe.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Anne Tracy <atracy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Birthday
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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the Bandwidth Pig.

Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.

Aunti

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From: Maggy or Sarah B <premier@INTERDART.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: I hate Triscuits
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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At 16:05 08/03/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Maggy or Sarah B said:
>> I have to ask, what are Triscuits? please
>
>A kind of cracker. For putting cheese or peanut butter on.

Thank you

Maggy
PS I hate peanut butter...can't even stand the smell of it

>
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com
>
>

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Our new correspondent Arnold
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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, steph wrote:

> = Hey, those people were also spotted in Oakland last year!
> =
> = Betty
>
> All four of them?!

No, just two.  :-)

Betty

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 12:28:12 1998
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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      birthday greetings
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Have a happy day, aht.

alyce

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
Organization: S.words
Subject:      Hippo Bird Day
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Celebrate,celebrate, celebrate.   Today is WebMom's b-day.
Have fun Xena.

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 13:25:34 1998
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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Subject:      Re: Birthday
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Anne Tracy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> > Happy Birthday to the Bandwidth Pig.
>
> Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.

Me too.

Verdant

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      For those who have accounts- SFNB to become part of Royal Bank!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>
>SFNB Friends:
>
>We are delighted to announce that Royal Bank of Canada (Royal Bank)
>has entered into a definitive agreement to purchase the bank
>operations of SFNB. Read about the exciting details at
>http://www.sfnb.com/pres/presletter.html
>
>Eric Hartz, President
>Security First Network Bank
>

 I have no idea if this will mean any changes. Tony or other Canadians,
care to comment on Royal Bank?


alec


Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 14:04:07 1998
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From: "Joseph D. Harwood" <jdhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Birthday
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

You wrote:

>And we forgot him, too!

;-(
>
>Happy belated birthday, Joe.
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>
Thanks to you and Betty.

jdh -30-

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Birthday
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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:

> You wrote:
>
> >And we forgot him, too!
>
> ;-(
> >
> >Happy belated birthday, Joe.
> >
> >   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
> >
> Thanks to you and Betty.

Come to the beach and we will celebrate in grand style!

Betty

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      piggy bird day
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Happy Birthday Anne!!

steph

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 14:40:30 1998
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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Today's big news
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In-Reply-To:  <WORDS-L%98030912171201@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> from "Judith E. Schrier"
              at Mar 9, 98 12:16:09 pm

Judith E. Schrier:
=
= Good grief!  We just got our our Scrabble sets a few days
= ago, as it happened, and discovered that each of us is
= missing one or two tiles.  I wonder where we should write
= in an attempt to buy or beg replacement tiles...
=

Please make checks payable to Milton Bradley Company
Milton Bradley Company
Attn.Customer Service Department,
443 Shaker Road
East Longmeadow, MA  01028


Tile Replacement Form
prices subject to change
please print clearly

Name________________________ Street_________________________  Apt.______

City____________________________ State ______________ Zip ______________


Game
 Scrabble ___
 Deluxe Scrabble ___
 Travel Scrabble ___
 Scrabble Up ___
 Item # (from package): _________

Missing Tiles ____________________

Defective Tiles (please send with form): ________________

 ___ Standard Scrabble tile set $5.50
 ___ Deluxe Scrabble tile set $6.50
 ___ Travel Scrabble tile set $4.50
 ___ Scrabble Up tile set $3.50

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar  9 14:50:21 1998
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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
Subject:      Re: I hate Triscuits
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>
> And now get ready for Olean--the new trade name for Olestra, which is
> coming to a store near you. Never saw so many commercials for a new
> product in my life.
>
> alyce
>

Do they pronounce it like the NY State city, or is it O-LEEN?

jinny

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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Our new correspondent Arnold
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 9, 98 11:22:51 am

Betty Clark:
=
= On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, steph wrote:
=
= > = Hey, those people were also spotted in Oakland last year!
= > =
= > = Betty
= >
= > All four of them?!
=
= No, just two.  :-)
=

Are you sure they were spotted and not striped?

steph

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Sick
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So, I was out sick all last week. I went to the drs. to find out what I already
knew, I had bronchitis. Actually, I still have it.

The dr. gave me some cough medicine with codeine. I stopped taking it when it
gave me diaherria.

She also gave me some antibiotic that made me sick to my stomach. I stopped
taking this too because I was finally feeling better and I really wanted to
eat something.

As it's been a while since I've been this sick, I thought I would take the
opportunity to list a few of the highlights. They're in two categories,
good things and bad.

Good things about being home all week:

1) I didn't once need to take a Tagament to settle my stomach after a stressful
meeting.

2) I saved money by not going out to lunch every day of the week. Hell, I saved
money by not eating for three days!

3) Rosie O'Donnell is cute.

4) Oprah is proud of herself for surviving her Amarillo ordeal

5) Back to back reruns of All in the Family starting at 1pm

6) Judge Judy at 6pm

7) Friday night, when I was feeling well enough to leave the house, I got
to touch an Olympic Gold Medal. It's heavier than it looks!


Bad things about being home all week:

1) Numbers 3-6 from the above list are not enough to keep one entertained for
5 days in a row.

2) The autobiography of Rita Mae Brown I'm currently reading is annoying me.
Even if she does mention Shulamith Firestone, provoking an AHT WLM. She
thinks a lot of heself. Also, her negative comments about "Yankees" have
aggravated me to the point where I want to write her a letter telling her so.

3) Much to my dismay, I learned, I really couldn't live in my bed and be
happy.. it's not *that* comfortable.

4) My girlfriend took 2 of the 5 days off and ended up annoying me instead
of helping. Not to mention the night she came in a 4 am, woke me up and induced
a coughing fit that landed me on the couch. I would have been fine had she
stayed at her own apartment that night.

5) I had to sift though over 1000 e-mails between my work account and my delphi
account.

Well, that's it. That's all I have to share in regards to my week at home.

lisa

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>
> Well, that's it. That's all I have to share in regards to my week at home.


I want Olympic stories from your friends! What did they say?

Betty

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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"Betty Clark wrote:
>
> Fat free sucks.

And now get ready for Olean--the new trade name for Olestra, which is
coming to a store near you. Never saw so many commercials for a new
product in my life.

alyce
"-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
I've NEVER (at least not on purpose) eaten anything "free" or "reduced",
"low" etcs.
in my life. A friend once left me some fatfree cheese which I found way t=
oo
salty.
My 14 year old grandson just walked in and and saw the subject line. He w=
as
extremely amused by it. His comment: You get mail about triscuits? You
people are WEIRD! =

BTW, Happy birthday Anne. May your day be joyful and merry.
P.S. Sorry Alyce, I did that once with popcorn. Haven't eaten any since.
:-(
     Hugz, Theo

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>> Bill said:

>Did your Dad say <directly>(which he pronounced <tuhrectly>), meaning
>shortly, in a little while, in a minute?  Mine did.
>
Yes, he said directly, as did my grandmother.  She didn't talk about a
"piazza" -- she said "gallery" (Central Texas) while Joe's grandmother (New
Orleans) said "veranda."
ndh

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Bill said:
>You're probably right about their times versus the signs.  Grand Dad,
>however, picked up some really low-country expressions--I don't know,
>maybe he said them all his life--piazza instead of porch, for
>example.
>
Where was he from?  South Carolina?
ndh

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From: hope dondero <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject:      Wishes
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Happy Birthday, Anne, and a Belated Happy Birthday to Joe and Bill
Holler!

All best wishes to each of you.

- hope

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, steph wrote:
>
> Are you sure they were spotted and not striped?

Well, now that you mention it...

When did you go to Sweden?

Betty

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: I hate Triscuits
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Jinny Jones wrote:
>
> >
> > And now get ready for Olean--the new trade name for Olestra, which is
> > coming to a store near you. Never saw so many commercials for a new
> > product in my life.
> >
> > alyce
> >
>
> Do they pronounce it like the NY State city, or is it O-LEEN?

O-LEEN. I didn't know there was a NY State city like this. I know of
Oneonta and the historic site, Olana, near me, but I never heard of
Olean. Where is it?

alyce
--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

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more please, maureen.

Betty

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:

> Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.

Weird and CRAZY things have been happening all OVER the house!!!

Thanks to everyone who posted HB's, sent ASCII art, etc.

-aht

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> > Fat free sucks.
>
> Can you really taste the difference between regular saltines and
> fat-free saltines? I can't.
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

I can't.  Bill

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Holler Ral NC USA - Betty and Alyce, I went to the dentist today.
The only answer in my case was a crown.  And that's 550 smackers and
me with no dental insurance.

I po-mouthed Bill Graham's son-in-law, and he said I could pay what I
could, when I could.

Bill

> > On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
> >
> > > I don't usually have them in the house, but Doug bought some when he was
> > > here. This afternoon I was hungry, and found I had no bread for a
> > > sandwich, so decided to have peanut butter a la Triscuit. Took one bite
> > > and snapped a tooth in half. And I guess I swallowed the half!
> > > Had to happen on the weekend, of course, but I do have a dentist's
> > > appointment early Monday morning, which was to have been for cleaning.
> > > Probably it will now be for pulling. Crap!
> >
> > It's the peanut butter that did it!
> >
> > Betty
>
> No, it's the <hard, saturated fat> that's in 'em.  That's the reason
> I don't eat'em.
>
> Bill
>

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I wonder if the owner of the real Ritz in Paris sells <fat free> in
his Harrods store.
Bill

> At 11:37 PM 3/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> >> Uh-oh! I don't like either of them. I like fat-free saltines for
> >> cheese and reduced fat Ritz for eating by themselves.
> >
> >You're a sick person, Karen. Either that, or you're some kind of martyr.
> >
> Fat free and reduced fat are plots to control the minds and souls of the
> benighted. Undoubtedly devised by the same people who think that lima beans
> and brussels sprouts are good for us. And carrot sticks. Or any raw
> vegetable unless of course it is liberally smothered in ranch dressing. No,
> not fat free ranch dressing. An oxymoron if I ever heard one. Fat free ice
> cream? Puhlease.  Ritz crackers are a rich, melting wondrous delight.
> Anything with reduced fat is NOT a Ritz.
>
> s
>

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Olestra will never cross my lips.  They'll probably learn in a few
years that it causes brain tumors, God forbid.

Bill

> Jinny Jones wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And now get ready for Olean--the new trade name for Olestra, which is
> > > coming to a store near you. Never saw so many commercials for a new
> > > product in my life.
> > >
> > > alyce
> > >
> >
> > Do they pronounce it like the NY State city, or is it O-LEEN?
>
> O-LEEN. I didn't know there was a NY State city like this. I know of
> Oneonta and the historic site, Olana, near me, but I never heard of
> Olean. Where is it?
>
> alyce
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net
>

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Though tasty, I think Triscuits have a lot of palm oil in them.  And
we all know that's no good.

Alyce, how did your visit with Lugano et al. turn out?

Bill

> JMW said:
> >        Whole wheat crackers, but textured much like shredded
> >        wheat cereal.  (You know, those little Brillo-shaped
> >        jobbies?)  You undoubtedly have something similar, but
> >        I wouldn't know what it could be.  What are Wheatabix
> >        like?
> >
> What I like better than Triscuits are Wheat Thins, and what I like even
> better than those are Better Cheddars (which I now call Budder Chudders
> because that's what Patricia used to call them)
> ndh (who wishes Joe would hurry up and eat the two boxes of Girl Scout Thin
> Mints and the box of Peanut Butter Patties so the temptation would be out
> of the house)
>

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> Bill said:
> >You're probably right about their times versus the signs.  Grand Dad,
> >however, picked up some really low-country expressions--I don't know,
> >maybe he said them all his life--piazza instead of porch, for
> >example.
> >
> Where was he from?  South Carolina?
> ndh

Yes, and he had the old low-country accent, which still survives in
the Macon area and spots throughout SC-- sterling person would be
pronounced with a soft:  st(h)oeling p(h)oeson.  Unlike the New
Joisey accent.  Both derive, however from an east-coast ancestor.
Tidewater, and all that.

Bill

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>> It's true for all UNIX machines. Which, while a majority in the EDA
>> industry for the nonce, is admittedly not the majority in the world.

No it isn't Karen. You have been using machines with 8 bit graphics.
Those with 32 graphics cards do not have the problem.

Roy

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> > Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.
>
> Weird and CRAZY things have been happening all OVER the house!!!

In every room? Could you elaborate please?

Aunti

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In-Reply-To:  <0fc300809120a38NET019S@> from "Roy Jaques" at Mar 10,
              98 01:09:25 pm

Roy Jaques said:
> >> It's true for all UNIX machines. Which, while a majority in the EDA
> >> industry for the nonce, is admittedly not the majority in the world.
>
> No it isn't Karen. You have been using machines with 8 bit graphics.
> Those with 32 graphics cards do not have the problem.

Right. I got that the other day.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Ineffective Daily Affirmations
Comments: To: "Belliveau Laurie (Lud)" <lbelliv@ludlow.artioslink.com>
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself.
     Unless, of course, I want to stay employed.


A good scapegoat is nearly as welcome as a solution to the problem.


As I let go of my feelings of guilt, I can get in touch with my Inner
    Sociopath.


I have the power to channel my imagination into ever-soaring levels of
   suspicion and paranoia.


I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious, self-
   righteous people around me.


Today, I will gladly share my experience and advice, for there are no
   sweeter words than "I told you so."


False hope is nicer than no hope at all.


I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper and
    complain.


As I learn the innermost secrets of the people around me, they
   reward me in many ways to keep me quiet.


I assume full responsibility for my actions, except the ones that
  are someone else's fault.


I can change any thought that hurts into a reality that hurts
   even more.


I honor my personality flaws, for without them I would have no
   personality at all.


Joan of Arc heard voices too.


When someone hurts me, forgiveness is cheaper than
   a lawsuit. But not nearly as gratifying.


The first step is to say nice things about myself. The second, to
    do  nice things for myself. The third, to find someone to
    buy me nice things.


As I learn to trust the universe, I no longer need to carry a gun.


All of me is beautiful and valuable, even the ugly, stupid, and
   disgusting parts.


I am at one with my duality.


Blessed are the flexible, for they can tie themselves into knots.


I will strive to live each day as if it were my 40th birthday.


Only a lack of imagination saves me from immobilizing myself
    with imaginary fears


Does my quiet self-pity get to me? Yes? Or should I
   move up to incessant nagging?


I honor and express all facets of my being, regardless of
   state and local laws.


Just for today, I will not sit in my living room all
   day watching TV. Instead I will move my TV
    into the bedroom.


Who can I blame for my own problems? Give me
   just a minute... I'll find someone.


Why should I waste my time reliving the past when
    I can spend it worrying about the future?


The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that
    the conspiracy is working.


I am learning that criticism is not nearly as effective
   as sabotage.


Becoming aware of my character defects leads me to the
  next step: blaming my parents.


To understand all is to fear all.


I will find humor in my everyday life by looking for people I
    can laugh at.


The next time the universe knocks on my door, I will pretend
    I am not home.


To have a successful relationship, I must learn to make it look
    like I'm giving as much as I'm getting.


I am willing to make the mistakes if someone else is
   willing to learn from them.


In some cultures what I do would be considered normal.


Having control over myself is nearly as good as having
    control over others.


My intuition nearly makes up for my lack of good judgment.

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>> Well, that's it. That's all I have to share in regards to my week at home.

>I want Olympic stories from your friends! What did they say?
>Betty

I haven't actually talked to the Olympians yet. I did talk to the girlfriend
of one and she told me a little bit about what it was like. First, it was a
big pain in the ass because they were staying 1.5 hours away from downtown
Nagano and it cost $60 a day to take the train to see the games. It also
wasn't as simple as taking a train to the event center. Apparently, all modes
of transportation had to be invoked to get anywhere.

She lost a lot of weight because all she would eat was french fries. Asking
if something was chicken would get the response, "Yes, chicken", "yes beef"
or "yes, monkey head" depending on who you asked.

Security at the Olympic Village was tight. Erin did get to sneak in but, she
was afraid of being shot. Once in the Village she ate MacDonalds 4 times in
one day.

The team was constantly mobbed and asked for photos and autographs. People
were crazy for the hockey team and it was difficult for them to get around.

Even when they went to Hawaii after the Olympics, the were mobbed. They were
interrupted during meals and anyone near them had pieces of paper shoved in
their face, looking for autographs.

Despite all this, it was the most incredible time and she won't trade it for
the world. Hopefully, I'm going out to dinner with one of them tonight so,
I'll have more to report later.

lisa

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These are great, thanks for posting them!

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUHVYDM6AG96GXOE@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Mar 10,
              98 09:41:17 am

Lisa Alfieri said:
> She lost a lot of weight because all she would eat was french fries. Asking
> if something was chicken would get the response, "Yes, chicken", "yes beef"
> or "yes, monkey head" depending on who you asked.

Japanese don't eat monkey head (or brains); that's Chinese food. As
for not getting a straight answer, that's to be expected.

> Security at the Olympic Village was tight. Erin did get to sneak in but, she
> was afraid of being shot. Once in the Village she ate MacDonalds 4 times in
> one day.

Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Phyllis C. Petree said:
> These are great, thanks for posting them!

Too close to real life.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <1E7771E119B@social.chass.ncsu.edu> from "Bill Holler" at Mar 10,
              98 03:43:40 am

Bill Holler said:
> Olestra will never cross my lips.  They'll probably learn in a few
> years that it causes brain tumors, God forbid.

I feel the same way about Nutrasweet.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              "Anne Tracy" at Mar 10, 98 07:53:33 am

Anne Tracy said:
> On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:
> > > Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.
> >
> > Weird and CRAZY things have been happening all OVER the house!!!
>
> In every room? Could you elaborate please?

You don't have to. Please. But I do want to know how this was
different from any other day!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> > > > Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.
> > > Weird and CRAZY things have been happening all OVER the house!!!
> > In every room? Could you elaborate please?
>
> You don't have to. Please.

How about if we let the birthday girl decide what to share and what keep
<private>.

Aunti

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Anne Tracy wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > > > Hope you're celebrating in some kinky fashion.
> > > > Weird and CRAZY things have been happening all OVER the house!!!
> > > In every room? Could you elaborate please?
> >
> > You don't have to. Please.
>
> How about if we let the birthday girl decide what to share and what keep
> <private>.

Like we could stop her.

Verdant

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Bill Holler wrote:
>
> Alyce, how did your visit with Lugano et al. turn out?

Bill--So sorry that you have to get such an expensive crown, but you
have a kindly dentist if he allows you to pay as you go. I was much
luckier. It turns out that I did not break off my tooth at all. What
happened was that I lost a huge porcelain filling. I can't see all that
well, especially into the depths of my mouth, and what I saw was a black
stump, I thought. So it simply took a wad of amalgam (color C3) and
$30.00, and I am back in business. However, I was told this is a very
"iffy" tooth and I should learn to chew on the other side of my mouth,
because this could happen again at the slightest provocation, and will
not be savable (save-able?) forever.

alyce

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>
> Despite all this, it was the most incredible time and she won't trade it for
> the world. Hopefully, I'm going out to dinner with one of them tonight so,
> I'll have more to report later.

Thanks. That was great. It really was fun watching them on TV. They looked
genuinely thrilled, proud, athletic, all that stuff. Did you buy your box
of Wheaties yet?

Betty

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>
> The dr. gave me some cough medicine with codeine. I stopped taking it when it
> gave me diaherria.
>
> She also gave me some antibiotic that made me sick to my stomach. I stopped
> taking this too because I was finally feeling better and I really wanted to
> eat something.
>

I'm sorry you were sick, but speaking as one of your Words-l moms, I must
tell you stopping the antibiotic is a big no-no.  That's how
antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria develop--when people don't take
the prescribed course.


jinny

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      search for rare music and videos
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Forgive me if you all know this one, but...
http://www.promusicfind.com

search free for tapes, records, and videos.

alyce

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> > > And now get ready for Olean--the new trade name for Olestra, which is
> > > coming to a store near you. Never saw so many commercials for a new
> > > product in my life.
> > >
> > > alyce
> > >
> >
> > Do they pronounce it like the NY State city, or is it O-LEEN?
>
> O-LEEN. I didn't know there was a NY State city like this. I know of
> Oneonta and the historic site, Olana, near me, but I never heard of
> Olean. Where is it?
>
> alyce

Southeast of Buffalo, not far north of the Pennsylvania border.  I think I
knew someone from there when I went to Cornell.  It's also a crossword
puzzle word, probably because of the vowel placement.

jinny

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:

> In every room? Could you elaborate please?

You nosey vicarious thing, get your own life.

-aht

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Jinny Jones wrote:
>
> Southeast of Buffalo, not far north of the Pennsylvania border.  I think I
> knew someone from there when I went to Cornell.  It's also a crossword
> puzzle word, probably because of the vowel placement.

This will be good news for the crossword puzzle makers--same word, but
now they can use a new definition. Three across: goes right through you.

alyce

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> > In every room? Could you elaborate please?
>
> You nosey vicarious thing, get your own life.

I have a fine life, thanks.  You put a statement out there about weirdness
is every room and didn't elaborate.  I was merely asking, but hey, it
really doesn't matter one way or another.

Aunti

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.

And you are a hypochondriac. Happy?

-aht

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On  9 Mar 98 at 18:47, Lisa Alfieri  wrote:

> The dr. gave me some cough medicine with codeine. I stopped taking it when it
> gave me diaherria.

It's highly unlikely that codeine was the cause - it generally has
quite the opposite effect.

> She also gave me some antibiotic that made me sick to my stomach. I stopped
> taking this too because I was finally feeling better and I really wanted to
> eat something.

Argh - *don't stop taking your antibiotics* just because you feel
better.  Even if it doesn't cause you trouble, it contributes to the
development of resistant strains that may come back to haunt us all.

Glad you got to see a gold medal, though.

Tony H.

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[Olean]
> >
> > Southeast of Buffalo, not far north of the Pennsylvania border.  I think I
> > knew someone from there when I went to Cornell.  It's also a crossword
> > puzzle word, probably because of the vowel placement.
>
> This will be good news for the crossword puzzle makers--same word, but
> now they can use a new definition. Three across: goes right through you.
>
> alyce
>
LOL!

jinny

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>Thanks. That was great. It really was fun watching them on TV. They looked
>genuinely thrilled, proud, athletic, all that stuff. Did you buy your box
>of Wheaties yet?
>Betty

The last time I was at the Star Market, they didn't have the boxes yet. Since
I haven't been to the store in almost two weeks, I'm about due for a trip
and of course I'll get a box or two. It helps that I like Wheaties too!

lisa

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On  9 Mar 98 at 15:55, Alec Plotkin  wrote:

> >We are delighted to announce that Royal Bank of Canada (Royal Bank)
> >has entered into a definitive agreement to purchase the bank
> >operations of SFNB. Read about the exciting details at
> >http://www.sfnb.com/pres/presletter.html

>  I have no idea if this will mean any changes. Tony or other Canadians,
> care to comment on Royal Bank?

Royal Bank is the largest of the "big five" banks.  Canadian banks
are generally much larger than US ones, but there are only a few
(plus the hundred or so foreign banks operating subsidiaries here,
e.g. Hong Kong Bank of Canada, Citibank Canada, etc.)  Royal Bank and
the third largest Bank of Montreal recently announced that they want
to merge, but it is far from a given that this will receive
regulatory approval, since it would create a truly mega-size bank
with something like a third of all Canadians as customers.

How all this will affect what goes on at your local branch of SFNB I
have no idea.  Probably not much will change that wouldn't have
changed anyway.  I'm sure they're not going to change your account to
$CA overnight...

Tony H.

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From: Tony Harminc <tzha0@TORAAG.COM>
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On  8 Mar 98 at 14:49, Neal Traven  wrote:

> *#@Today's the Day We Fight Back

> * = first time I've heard it live
> # = first time Emily's heard it live (I think)
> @ = first time heard at all, by either of us
>
> The never-before-heard song is a political anthem of opposition to the
> Progressive Conservative dismantling of Ontario.  It seems strange that
> they'd play it for an American audience, but the cause clearly means a great
> deal to the guys.  Maybe the 'Canadian content' French song was presented in
> the same spirit.

That song (not one of their greatest, I'd say) was composed and
recorded in less than a week for the NO mega-CD all as part of the
opposition to the forced amalgamation of the City of Toronto with its
six suburbs into a "megacity" (no mega-CD - get it ?)  The same disk
has music by Nancy White, Rheostatics, Oliver Schroer, and the
Singing Citizens Gospel Choir, as well as readings by John Raulston
Saul, Margaret Atwood, and others.  I wouldn't call any of the
instant music great, but it's amazing the whole thing went from
concept to retail sales in seven days.

Tony H.

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On 10 Mar 98 at 15:23, I wrote:

> How all this will affect what goes on at your local branch of SFNB I
> have no idea.

Ah - I see.  SFNB is an online-only bank, I gather.  Still don't know
that it'll do much, except that Royal is pretty much of the stodgy,
old fart, school of banking, and a wannabe innovator of things
technical.

Tony H.

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Words to live by.  Thanks

Madame Lurker

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              at Mar 10, 98 02:07:54 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.
>
> And you are a hypochondriac. Happy?

A hypochondriac? Where does that come from? dAnyway, no, I'm not happy
at all at the moment. My beautiful job that made me feel Bathed In
Love now sucks, I still don't have a car, and my wallet was
stolen.  And my rental car has a crack in the windshield.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> > > Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.
> >
> > And you are a hypochondriac. Happy?
>
> A hypochondriac? Where does that come from?

Two possibilities.  Not getting what she wanted on her Big Day or PMS.

Aunti

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Tue Mar 10 15:20:15 1998
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From: "Joseph D. Harwood" <jdhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      A Capital Situation
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Just when I think I have all of my logical thoughts in place to find
the death penalty completely unacceptable and unnecessary, something
comes along to scratch my surface and let out the primeval instincts.

Seems there were these two Adolph Schickelgruber wannabes up near
Dallas who thought it was time to act on their white supremicist ideas.
They decided to go out and "shoot some blackies".  Well, the first
qualified minority they happened to encounter was this 19 year old girl
they used to work with.  She is described as "suffering from a
borderline mental deficiency".  Anyway, they told her they would take
her to work, then took her out in the country and used her for target
practice.  They were later caught out in West Texas and returned to
Dallas County.  Their excuse--they did it for the adrenaline rush.

IMHO, I think these mental giants deserve rat shot on dangling cojones
at 25 yards, graduating to .357s at 5 yds.  Or, perhaps we can return
to that honored Native American practice of stripping skin off a bit at
a time.  I would even volunteer to do it.  Damn, that pissed me off.

Deterrence and prevention has nothing to do with it--simple revenge is
all that's called for.

jdh -30-  Volunteers can sign the attached roster.

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
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On my way home from work last night, I saw that
someone had finally thrown out his Christmas tree.

Prolly had to make space in the living room for
St. Joseph's Day, or something.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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At 04:19 PM 03/10/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>Just when I think I have all of my logical thoughts in place to find
>the death penalty completely unacceptable and unnecessary, something
>comes along to scratch my surface and let out the primeval instincts.
>
Amen, hang the bastards!


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:

> borderline mental deficiency".  Anyway, they told her they would take
> her to work, then took her out in the country and used her for target
> practice.  They were later caught out in West Texas and returned to
> Dallas County.  Their excuse--they did it for the adrenaline rush.

Actions like this make me believe that Singapore has the right idea by
using caning as punishment.  But even that may not be fitting punishment
for these creeps.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
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>> The dr. gave me some cough medicine with codeine. I stopped taking it when it
>> gave me diaherria.
>It's highly unlikely that codeine was the cause - it generally has
>quite the opposite effect.

Hmmm.. didn't work that way for me. Maybe it was a combination of the two.

>Argh - *don't stop taking your antibiotics* just because you feel
>better.  Even if it doesn't cause you trouble, it contributes to the
>development of resistant strains that may come back to haunt us all.

I stopped taking the antibiotic because it made me sick to my stomach. The
dr. told me it might, I felt so shitty though that I decided to can both
the cough medicine and the antibiotic.

>Glad you got to see a gold medal, though.

Me too.

lisa

Tony H.

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> I stopped taking the antibiotic because it made me sick to my stomach. The
> dr. told me it might, I felt so shitty though that I decided to can both
> the cough medicine and the antibiotic.

Call the doc & see if you can get another antibiotic.  Bronchitis is
nothing to fool around with.  Says me who ended up in the hospital after a
bout of bronchitis turned into pneumonia.

I hope you're feeling bette soon.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:

> I hope you're feeling bette soon.

I wonder how Bette feels about all this?

-aht

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From: hope dondero <hoped@MINDSPRING.COM>
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phyllis said:

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

>> I stopped taking the antibiotic because it made me sick to my stomach. The
>> dr. told me it might, I felt so shitty though that I decided to can both
>> the cough medicine and the antibiotic.

>Call the doc & see if you can get another antibiotic.  Bronchitis is
>nothing to fool around with.  Says me who ended up in the hospital
>after a
>bout of bronchitis turned into pneumonia.

>I hope you're feeling bette soon.


  Yep, Lisa, hope you're feeling fair to Midler sooner rather than later
(and barring that, I hope your Davis is at least in good working order
before the weekend).

  ;-)

  - hope

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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>> She lost a lot of weight because all she would eat was french fries. Asking
>> if something was chicken would get the response, "Yes, chicken", "yes beef"
>> or "yes, monkey head" depending on who you asked.
>Japanese don't eat monkey head (or brains); that's Chinese food. As
>for not getting a straight answer, that's to be expected.

I didn't think it was Japanese. As for not getting a straight answer, as
expected as it may or may not be, it doesn't help a picky eater!

>> Security at the Olympic Village was tight. Erin did get to sneak in but, she
>> was afraid of being shot. Once in the Village she ate MacDonalds 4 times in
>> one day.
>Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.

She may be a coward, actually, I know she's a pretty big wimp but, she's not
an idiot. Who wouldn't want to go to the Olympic Village and see all the
athletes and where they're staying and all the cool stuff they have set up
for them. And yes, her arteries are clogged.

lisa

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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I ran across this quote, which I would love to use in a paper,
but I have no idea from whence it came.  Anyone?

"It is a woman's voice, sire, which dares to utter what many
   yearn for in silence."


Thanks!
heather

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>>> Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.
>> And you are a hypochondriac. Happy?

>A hypochondriac? Where does that come from? dAnyway, no, I'm not happy
>at all at the moment. My beautiful job that made me feel Bathed In
>Love now sucks, I still don't have a car, and my wallet was
>stolen.  And my rental car has a crack in the windshield.
>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

Yeah but are you and idiot? A coward? And are you arteries clogged?

lisa
bored at work

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              98 03:25:03 pm

Lisa Alfieri said:
> >> The dr. gave me some cough medicine with codeine. I stopped taking it when it
> >> gave me diaherria.
> >It's highly unlikely that codeine was the cause - it generally has
> >quite the opposite effect.
>
> Hmmm.. didn't work that way for me. Maybe it was a combination of the two.

Antibiotics often cause diarrhea.

> >Glad you got to see a gold medal, though.
>
> Me too.

This is very cool.

Lisa Alfieri 1,
Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Heather M. Hewitt wrote:

> I ran across this quote, which I would love to use in a paper,
> but I have no idea from whence it came.  Anyone?
>
> "It is a woman's voice, sire, which dares to utter what many
>    yearn for in silence."
>
I don't know but can I use it?

Betty

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Anne Tracy wrote:
>
> Two possibilities.  Not getting what she wanted on her Big Day or PMS.

Mad cow disease?

Betty

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>> "It is a woman's voice, sire, which dares to utter what many
>>    yearn for in silence."
>>
>I don't know but can I use it?
>Betty

Yes, indeed -- it's nice to hear another voice.  It was very lonely here.
ndh

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>I ran across this quote, which I would love to use in a paper,
>but I have no idea from whence it came.  Anyone?
>
>"It is a woman's voice, sire, which dares to utter what many
>   yearn for in silence."
>
>
>Thanks!
>heather

I have no idea, but it sounds vaguely Shavian.

Ken Miller
Literary Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:

> >> "It is a woman's voice, sire, which dares to utter what many
> >>    yearn for in silence."
> >>
> >I don't know but can I use it?
> >Betty
>
> Yes, indeed -- it's nice to hear another voice.  It was very lonely here.

Is that correct punctuation, Nancy?  :-)

Hope you are feeling better finally. Is Kathryn cured yet?

Betty

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Bookrat wrote:

> >I ran across this quote, which I would love to use in a paper,
> >but I have no idea from whence it came.  Anyone?
> >
> >"It is a woman's voice, sire, which dares to utter what many
> >   yearn for in silence."
> >
> >
> >Thanks!
> >heather
>
> I have no idea, but it sounds vaguely Shavian.

Heather, did Jim find you? He is very funny we're told.

Betty

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Since Larry quit smoking six weeks ago, he has put together three 1000
piece puzzles. Our daughter sent two more home for him today. These are
only 750 pieces though.

When I quit smoking I made an afghan.

Betty

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>> Yes, indeed -- it's nice to hear another voice.  It was very lonely here.
>
>Is that correct punctuation, Nancy?  :-)

There you go, hurling insults!
>
>Hope you are feeling better finally. Is Kathryn cured yet?

We feel enough better that we're not snarling at each other between coughs
the way we were this weekend. Kathryn, who got the expensive kind of
antibiotic Karen told us about, is MUCH better.  Joe and I, who got the
samples, are better but not completely well.
ndh
>
>Betty

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>When I quit smoking I made an afghan.
>Betty

One summer, while I was in the process of losing 47 pounds, I crocheted a
kingsize bedspread.  :-)  I need to make another afghan. It occurs to me
that I haven't made one for Patricia since she was a baby -- I have a
pattern for a neat one that looks like Crayolas.  Of course, that would
involve buying more yarn, and there have been complaints that the yarn
supply in this house is excessive.
ndh

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Nancy Harwood wrote:
> >Hope you are feeling better finally. Is Kathryn cured yet?
>
> We feel enough better that we're not snarling at each other between coughs
> the way we were this weekend. Kathryn, who got the expensive kind of
> antibiotic Karen told us about, is MUCH better.  Joe and I, who got the
> samples, are better but not completely well.

Well, I hope that you aren't taking it out on her. It's terrible to be
sick on your birthday though.

Betty

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>> We feel enough better that we're not snarling at each other between coughs
>> the way we were this weekend. Kathryn, who got the expensive kind of
>> antibiotic Karen told us about, is MUCH better.  Joe and I, who got the
>> samples, are better but not completely well.
>
>Well, I hope that you aren't taking it out on her. It's terrible to be
>sick on your birthday though.
>Betty

I thought we were being very nice, but she *did* spend a lot of time in her
room with the door closed.  Do you think that was a comment?

And yes, being sick on your birthday is not nice.
ndh

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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Guess who's meeting with officials from *** next week to try to
convince them that there's a market for them here in the McAllen area.

And do you know what I'm going to tell them? Build a store here because it
will piss Alyce Cresap off.

Muhahahahahahah.

-aht

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In-Reply-To:  <199803102219.QAA28528@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> from "Joseph D.
              Harwood" at Mar 10, 98 04:19:42 pm

Joseph D. Harwood said:
> IMHO, I think these mental giants deserve rat shot on dangling cojones
> at 25 yards, graduating to .357s at 5 yds.  Or, perhaps we can return
> to that honored Native American practice of stripping skin off a bit at
> a time.  I would even volunteer to do it.  Damn, that pissed me off.

I like the skin-stripping an inch at a time. That *might* be enough.

> jdh -30-  Volunteers can sign the attached roster.

Gee, I wonder if you could a certain amount of skin-stripping
*without* killing them. Would that satisfy? Or is that merely torture?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: market mover
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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> And do you know what I'm going to tell them? Build a store here because it
> will piss Alyce Cresap off.

I hope you get the W*****t. Maybe two. And a Sam's Warehouse. It will
destroy the McAllen area and you will be held responsible.
hahahahahahahaha

aktce

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUI4NINBO296L4TM@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Mar 10,
              98 01:48:51 pm

Lisa Alfieri said:
> I didn't think it was Japanese. As for not getting a straight answer, as
> expected as it may or may not be, it doesn't help a picky eater!

But if she ate whatever it was, couldn't she decide for herself if it
was chicken? And spit it out if it weren't?

One of my Chinese friends took me out to a restaurant and wouldn't
tell me what I was eating. He said if it's good, eat it, if it's not,
spit it out. That's what I did. It's a good way to treat new food.

> >> Security at the Olympic Village was tight. Erin did get to sneak in but, she
> >> was afraid of being shot. Once in the Village she ate MacDonalds 4 times in
> >> one day.
> >Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.
>
> She may be a coward, actually, I know she's a pretty big wimp but, she's not
> an idiot. Who wouldn't want to go to the Olympic Village and see all the
> athletes and where they're staying and all the cool stuff they have set up
> for them.

It was the eating MacDonald's 4 times in one day that I thought was
idiotic. Japanese food is usually quite good.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUIBT5UK5W94QAEQ@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Mar 10,
              98 05:09:23 pm

Lisa Alfieri said:
> >>> Erin is an idiot. And a coward. And her arteries are clogged.
> >> And you are a hypochondriac. Happy?
>
> >A hypochondriac? Where does that come from? dAnyway, no, I'm not happy
> >at all at the moment. My beautiful job that made me feel Bathed In
> >Love now sucks, I still don't have a car, and my wallet was
> >stolen.  And my rental car has a crack in the windshield.
> >Karen
> >  karen@wordwrite.com
>
> Yeah but are you and idiot? A coward? And are you arteries clogged?

Maybe an idiot for staying at this job. Not a coward. I don't know
about my arteries; I hope not.

> lisa
> bored at work

I understand *this*.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <l03102803b12ba2f75cbf@[207.221.74.80]> from "Nancy Harwood" at
              Mar 10, 98 09:13:34 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> We feel enough better that we're not snarling at each other between coughs
> the way we were this weekend. Kathryn, who got the expensive kind of
> antibiotic Karen told us about, is MUCH better.  Joe and I, who got the
             ^^^^^Lisa?
> samples, are better but not completely well.

Or did Kathryn take the whatchamajigger, the zythromycin or whatever
it was? The 5-day pkg.? I didn't think it was expensive.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Mar 10, 98 09:18:46 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> that I haven't made one for Patricia since she was a baby -- I have a
> pattern for a neat one that looks like Crayolas.  Of course, that would
> involve buying more yarn, and there have been complaints that the yarn
> supply in this house is excessive.

If it looks like crayolas, couldn't you use up leftovers? One of the
best sweaters I made is made of leftover yarn.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <191934500D7@social.chass.ncsu.edu> from "Bill Holler" at Mar 6,
              98 01:51:26 pm

Bill Holler said:
> I'm now in my sixth week with a new chemo-therapy.  So far so
> good--no adverse side effects and none expected by the doctors.

This is great--particularly if it works.

> I haven't felt better in years--partly due perhaps to the new chemo,
> and partly due to breaking out of the (negative) mode of cabin fever
> and going to those movies, and some change in my diet and medication.

This is wonderful.

> Bill
> Yes, as in Clinton--a man whom, in a very human sort of way, I admire
> most in the world right now.

Why do you admire him right now?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen said:
>Maybe an idiot for staying at this job. Not a coward. I don't know
>about my arteries; I hope not.
>
So you decided to stay?
ndh

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Karen said:
>Or did Kathryn take the whatchamajigger, the zythromycin or whatever
>it was? The 5-day pkg.? I didn't think it was expensive.
>
Yes, that's what it was.  Maybe I'm behind the times, but I think $50.49
for 5 days of antibiotic is a little steep.
ndh (whose deductible is about a gazillion dollars)

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              Mar 10, 98 10:53:43 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> Karen said:
> >Maybe an idiot for staying at this job. Not a coward. I don't know
> >about my arteries; I hope not.
> >
> So you decided to stay?

No. I've averaged 7 resumes a day since Sunday! I interviewed some
place that was perfect, but they had to hold off for a while. I'm
going to call them tomorrow. I hope they will eventually come through,
but I can't count on it. I have another interview scheduled the 23rd.
And there's one woman I'm supposed to bug this week.

I'm hoping to up my average to 10 resumes/day. I'd heard that the
market had slacked off somewhat and now I have proof:  today is
Tuesday and I have yet to get one phone call. This is very odd. A
month ago, I sent out resumes and had my first phone call at 8 Monday
morning. Sigh.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen, trying to thwart more yarn-buying, said:
>If it looks like crayolas, couldn't you use up leftovers? One of the
>best sweaters I made is made of leftover yarn.
>
But they wouldn't be just the right, exact colors!  However, you do have a
point -- there's a Rock Garden afghan I've been wanting to make for years
that uses scraps -- also a Grandmother's Flower Garden.  But both of those
involve a lot of little motifs to be crocheted together, as opposed to one
big afghan.  I seem to do better with one piece.  If I really felt
ambitious (and could see the silly stitches any more), I'd make a crocheted
lace tablecloth.
ndh

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>> So you decided to stay?
>
>No. I've averaged 7 resumes a day since Sunday! I interviewed some
>place that was perfect, but they had to hold off for a while. I'm
>going to call them tomorrow. I hope they will eventually come through,
>but I can't count on it. I have another interview scheduled the 23rd.
>And there's one woman I'm supposed to bug this week.
>
>I'm hoping to up my average to 10 resumes/day. I'd heard that the
>market had slacked off somewhat and now I have proof:  today is
>Tuesday and I have yet to get one phone call. This is very odd. A
>month ago, I sent out resumes and had my first phone call at 8 Monday
>morning. Sigh.
>
I'm sure this is discouraging.  Hang in there.
ndh

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In-Reply-To:  <l03102802b12bbb6018fd@[207.221.65.35]> from "Nancy Harwood" at
              Mar 10, 98 10:56:48 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> Karen said:
> >Or did Kathryn take the whatchamajigger, the zythromycin or whatever
> >it was? The 5-day pkg.? I didn't think it was expensive.
> >
> Yes, that's what it was.  Maybe I'm behind the times, but I think $50.49
> for 5 days of antibiotic is a little steep.
> ndh (whose deductible is about a gazillion dollars)

Yow!! I guess I didn't think it was expensive because erythromycin is
cheap. And I only paid $10 for it, because that's my copay.

I have to say that it would have been worth $50 to me, though. That
stuff is *great*. As Kathryn knows.:) You should try it if you get
sick again. It's only 5 days of pills, but it stays in your body for a
month. Zithromax rocks.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Mar 10, 98 10:59:51 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> big afghan.  I seem to do better with one piece.  If I really felt
> ambitious (and could see the silly stitches any more), I'd make a crocheted
> lace tablecloth.

I made a crocheted lace vest when I was in high school. My two younger
sisters wore it, too. I made it one summer.

But you're right; I couldn't see the stitches now, either.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen said:
>I made a crocheted lace vest when I was in high school. My two younger
>sisters wore it, too. I made it one summer.
>
>But you're right; I couldn't see the stitches now, either.
>
My grandmother was still crocheting with thread in her late 70s -- her eyes
must have been a lot better than mine.
ndh

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Karen said:
>Yow!! I guess I didn't think it was expensive because erythromycin is
>cheap. And I only paid $10 for it, because that's my copay.
>
>I have to say that it would have been worth $50 to me, though. That
>stuff is *great*. As Kathryn knows.:) You should try it if you get
>sick again. It's only 5 days of pills, but it stays in your body for a
>month. Zithromax rocks.
>
I didn't know it stayed with you for a month -- good!  Kathryn has had this
rotten cough since January (even after nearly three weeks of another
antibiotic), so it's worth whatever it costs.  We'll just raise her room
and board bill for the month. :-)
ndh

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Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
> My grandmother was still crocheting with thread in her late 70s -- her > eyes must have been a lot better than mine.

Yup.  My grandmother did too--even in her 80s. Her last project was a
beautiful tablecloth of squares in a sort of a shell design. She did
finish all the squares, but died before she could sew them together, so
my mother did that. And Mother was doing counted cross stitch until she
became too ill (73). I couldn't even *see* the threads, and she was
zipping right along counting them. I miss doing needlework, but really
can't see well enough to do anything decent anymore.

alyce
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Nancy Harwood said:
> I'm sure this is discouraging.  Hang in there.

What's most discouraging is the way my manager has turned out to be.
I really expected better. Finding a job/a car and replacing everything
in my wallet all at the same time is tough, I must say.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Nancy Harwood said:
> My grandmother was still crocheting with thread in her late 70s -- her eyes
> must have been a lot better than mine.

Or she had done it so much that she didn't need to look at it.:)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Nancy Harwood said:
> I didn't know it stayed with you for a month -- good!  Kathryn has had this
> rotten cough since January (even after nearly three weeks of another
> antibiotic), so it's worth whatever it costs.

This should kill it. It's guaranteed to stay in your body for 10 days,
but I found an article on the web that mentioned the 30-day thing.

> We'll just raise her room and board bill for the month. :-)

But it's not room or board!!! I'd protest, if I were her.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen Kay wrote:

> What's most discouraging is the way my manager has turned out to be.
> I really expected better. Finding a job/a car and replacing everything
> in my wallet all at the same time is tough, I must say.

That is hard. Do you think the slowdown in resume response is due to the
poor earnings reports of the various computer (and related) companies
last week? And Southeast Asia? Maybe with Sun's positive report today,
things will brighten up.

alyce

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Karen:
>> Yes, as in Clinton--a man whom, in a very human sort of way,
>> I admire most in the world right now.
>Why do you admire him right now?

And "most in the world"?  What the heck has the guy done that
I've missed?

"Most in the world"?  Yeesh, how depressing.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Alyce said:
>Yup.  My grandmother did too--even in her 80s. Her last project was a
>beautiful tablecloth of squares in a sort of a shell design. She did
>finish all the squares, but died before she could sew them together, so
>my mother did that. And Mother was doing counted cross stitch until she
>became too ill (73). I couldn't even *see* the threads, and she was
>zipping right along counting them. I miss doing needlework, but really
>can't see well enough to do anything decent anymore.
>
I bought one of those hang-around-the-neck magnifier thingies -- too much
trouble to mess with.
ndh

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Karen said:
>What's most discouraging is the way my manager has turned out to be.
>I really expected better. Finding a job/a car and replacing everything
>in my wallet all at the same time is tough, I must say.
>
Does your manager know you're applying for other jobs?  And you're
certainly right -- any one of these is a real trial.
ndh

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Nancy Harwood wrote:
>
> I bought one of those hang-around-the-neck magnifier thingies -- too much
> trouble to mess with.

Agreed. I have one too, but it doesn't stay put and I could never get it
in the right position in the first place.

alyce

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>Nancy Harwood said:
>> My grandmother was still crocheting with thread in her late 70s -- her eyes
>> must have been a lot better than mine.
>
>Or she had done it so much that she didn't need to look at it.:)
>Karen

Could be. Bad things happen to mine when I don't look, though.
ndh

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In-Reply-To:  <35062000.88171931@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 11,
              98 00:24:16 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> That is hard. Do you think the slowdown in resume response is due to the
> poor earnings reports of the various computer (and related) companies
> last week? And Southeast Asia? Maybe with Sun's positive report today,
> things will brighten up.

I don't know. The woman I'm supposed to bug is at Sun; maybe she got
her req back if they had a positive report.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>> We'll just raise her room and board bill for the month. :-)
>
>But it's not room or board!!! I'd protest, if I were her.
>Karen

Kathryn never protests.  She just gives you this look and says, "Ah."
Which leaves no doubt as to her opinion.  Besides, sending her a bill and
persuading her to part with the money to pay it are two entirely different
things.  Saying she does not spend money freely is an understatement.
ndh (who has been admonished that *not* spending money freely is highly
desirable)

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              Mar 10, 98 11:39:50 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> Karen said:
> >What's most discouraging is the way my manager has turned out to be.
> >I really expected better. Finding a job/a car and replacing everything
> >in my wallet all at the same time is tough, I must say.
> >
> Does your manager know you're applying for other jobs?

I certainly haven't told her.

> And you're certainly right -- any one of these is a real trial.

Yup. That's how I feel about it. I feel more stressed out than I have
in a long time.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't know. The woman I'm supposed to bug is at Sun; maybe she got
> her req back if they had a positive report.

Hope so (for your sake and mine). Sun had warned the other day that they
might have disappointing earnings, and the stock fell. But today it
turned out that their earnings were OK and I think the stock went up
almost $3. Sorry, I can't remember the exact numbers, but it encouraged
buyers and most of the tech stocks rose on the NASDAQ today as a result.

alyce

alyce

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              Mar 10, 98 11:44:11 pm

Nancy Harwood said:
> >> We'll just raise her room and board bill for the month. :-)
> >
> >But it's not room or board!!! I'd protest, if I were her.
> >Karen
>
> Kathryn never protests.  She just gives you this look and says, "Ah."
> Which leaves no doubt as to her opinion.

She's more adult than I am. When I read what you wrote about raising
her room and board bill, I felt the childish polysyllabic "Mom!" come
unbidden into my throat.:)

> Besides, sending her a bill and
> persuading her to part with the money to pay it are two entirely different
> things.  Saying she does not spend money freely is an understatement.
> ndh (who has been admonished that *not* spending money freely is highly
> desirable)

I've never understood this one either...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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>> Kathryn never protests.  She just gives you this look and says, "Ah."
>> Which leaves no doubt as to her opinion.

Karen said:
>She's more adult than I am. When I read what you wrote about raising
>her room and board bill, I felt the childish polysyllabic "Mom!" come
>unbidden into my throat.:)

:-)

>> Besides, sending her a bill and
>> persuading her to part with the money to pay it are two entirely different
>> things.  Saying she does not spend money freely is an understatement.
>> ndh (who has been admonished that *not* spending money freely is highly
>> desirable)
>
>I've never understood this one either...

I keep hearing it, but....
ndh

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In-Reply-To:  <35062407.631BAE0A@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 11,
              98 00:41:27 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I don't know. The woman I'm supposed to bug is at Sun; maybe she got
> > her req back if they had a positive report.
>
> Hope so (for your sake and mine).

She sounded like an interesting person, one that I can work with. I'm
being a lot pickier this time about the kind of company and kind of
manager that I'm looking at. My current position was perfect for me
when I went there, but it changed; unfortunately, my idea of
perfection hasn't.

Based on the success of my interview at this place that wanted to hire
me but had to put it off, I decided to check out various lists of
internet-related/multimedia companies. There are so many totally cool
products out there! Unfortunately, most of them are in San Francisco
or the East Bay. But it's still rather mind-boggling.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Hello??
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A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he
received a radio call that an officer was here. He was halfway in the
house before Larry got to the door. The officer he was looking for wasn't
here so he left.

We need to find the key to that deadbolt!

Betty

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 10, 98 09:55:26 pm

Betty Clark said:
> A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he
> received a radio call that an officer was here. He was halfway in the
> house before Larry got to the door. The officer he was looking for wasn't
> here so he left.
>
> We need to find the key to that deadbolt!

Yes, you do. I forget to lock my door sometimes, too, and I've had
people open the door, but so far no one has walked in.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> She sounded like an interesting person, one that I can work with. I'm
> being a lot pickier this time about the kind of company and kind of
> manager that I'm looking at. My current position was perfect for me
> when I went there, but it changed; unfortunately, my idea of
> perfection hasn't.

But with the turnover that I hear about managers can change quickly. How
closely do you have to work with a manager anyway?

Betty

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 10, 98 10:05:26 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > She sounded like an interesting person, one that I can work with. I'm
> > being a lot pickier this time about the kind of company and kind of
> > manager that I'm looking at. My current position was perfect for me
> > when I went there, but it changed; unfortunately, my idea of
> > perfection hasn't.
>
> But with the turnover that I hear about managers can change quickly. How
> closely do you have to work with a manager anyway?

Close enough that it makes a difference. My current buzzwords are
collaborative vs. hierarchical. My current manager is hierarchical; I
prefer a collaborative environment. This hierarchical shit sucks. I
have a lot of trouble respecting someone because their title indicates
that they are senior to me. Collaboration is a beautiful thing,
however.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: J L Speranza <jls@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Subject:      Epitaph Society for the Preservation of Churchyard Literature
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Thanks to A. Plotkin for his welcome message, which was much appreciated. I
have much enjoyed A. Hartfield's recent "ineffectual daily affirmations",
that someone on the list described as 'too true to life'. Now Heather
mentions the interesting "woman's voice" quote, that K. Miller finds vaguely
Shavian. It's not alas in my Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, nor in
J M Cohen's Penguin one. While on quotes, a friend of mine has founded The
Epitaph Society for the Preservation of Churchyard Literature, and wonder if
wordslers have favourite ones to share. I don't think I have a favourite
myself, perhaps just as well. I do have a thing about quotes of popular
songs, so I suppose my favourite may be, though, one that I spotted in the
British section of our Chacarita cemetery. It may not be very original:
"Abide with me" (The Bible source being: (To Jesus) "Abide with us, for the
night is near". I understand the Christian Science hymnbook has an optimist
version of Lyte's victorian hymn, and, I read in the Concise Oxford
Dictionary of quotations, so did the Tommies on the march in 1914:

O Death, where is thy sting-a-ling-ling,
O Grave thy victoree?
The bells of Hell go ting-a-ling-a-ling
For you but not for me.

Regards.
J L Speranza (Jorge-Luis),
Buenos Aires, Argentina.
jls@netverk.com.ar

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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:
>
> > borderline mental deficiency".  Anyway, they told her they would take
> > her to work, then took her out in the country and used her for target
> > practice.  They were later caught out in West Texas and returned to
> > Dallas County.  Their excuse--they did it for the adrenaline rush.
>
> Actions like this make me believe that Singapore has the right idea by
> using caning as punishment.  But even that may not be fitting punishment
> for these creeps.

Not even close. I don't know what would be. Death is actually too nice,
IMO -- it takes only a moment and then it's over.

Verdant

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At 16:19 10.03.98 -0600, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:
>Seems there were these two Adolph Schickelgruber wannabes up near

Who is Adolph Schickelgruber?

espen

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              <199803110736.IAA11662@brahma.sics.se>

  Espen says:

  >Who is Adolph Schickelgruber?

  I hasten to inform wordslers that Espen is just being difficult,
exhibiting a famous Norwegian trait, that of being a stickler for
historical and orthographical correctness. No Adolph Schickelgruber
is known to history, but the father of Adolf Hitler was Alois
Schicklgruber before he changed his name to Hitler.

  But Ha! didn't you, Espen, suggest the other day that Karl X crossed
the Sound?

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At 08:46 11.03.98 +0100, Torkel Franzen wrote:
>  I hasten to inform wordslers that Espen is just being difficult,
>exhibiting a famous Norwegian trait, that of being a stickler for

...

>  But Ha! didn't you, Espen, suggest the other day that Karl X crossed
>the Sound?

No, I suggested that *a* Swedish, or Swedish connected army (or part of an
army, just to be on the stickler side) did. I see that I now have to check
this up so that I know that I am talking about the Sound and not the Belt.

espen (if needs be I think I can find something in Saxo but that is outside
the period I was thinking about, I hasten to admit)

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At 08:46 11.03.98 +0100, Torkel Franzen wrote:
>  But Ha! didn't you, Espen, suggest the other day that Karl X crossed
>the Sound?

At list the Sound freoze in that same winter ...

But so far it seems that the Swede is more correct and exact than the
Norwegian. From the Xresund hirtory page
(<http://www.oresund.com/history/welcome.htm>):

>In 1657 GIIA:s successor king Carl X Gustaf attacked Denmark against her
southern border. Trying to cross the
>Little and the Great Belt without control of the sea would have been a
very risky undertaking. In this almost
>hopeless situation at I the end of January 1658 the cold winter arrived.
The Sound and the Belt froze over. In the
>early morning of January 30th Carl X Gustaf marched the Swedish army out
on the ice to cross the Little Belt and
>the Danish army was defeated at the island of Fyn. One week later he
decided to cross the Great Belt. On
>February 6th he took his army with 2 000 horsemen over the ice between
Langeland and Leland to Zealand. The
>panic-stroken Danish army on Zealand gave up all resistance and peace
negotiations were started.

espen

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In-Reply-To:  <199803110435.AA24839@waltz.rahul.net> from "Karen Kay" at Mar
              10, 98 08:35:49 pm

Karen Kay:
=
= But if she ate whatever it was, couldn't she decide for herself if it
= was chicken? And spit it out if it weren't?
=

I guess being a vegetarian qualifies as a picky eater too.  I would
say that asking about food I wasn't entirely sure was vegetarian has
netted me more meat in my meals in foreign lands than anything else.
I've gotten surprised by meatballs in the vegetable soup, boullion in the
mushroom soup (forget about onion soup for sure) and ham in the
"kaassouffle", and that's all been here at home, where I can ask
a variety of questions trying to get an answer.  And once I've taken
that first bite, followed by that gut-wrenching, spitting-out blechiness,
it basically puts me off the rest of the meal.  Hey! Maybe I've found a
new diet here.

steph

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> I hope you get the W*****t. Maybe two. And a Sam's Warehouse. It will

Alyce darlin', we've had Walmarts and Sam's here for about 20 years.

-aht

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he

Ho ho! Were you running around naked?

-aht

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> > I hope you're feeling bette soon.
>
> I wonder how Bette feels about all this?

I really should learn to type betteR.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Betty said:
>A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he
>received a radio call that an officer was here. He was halfway in the
>house before Larry got to the door. The officer he was looking for wasn't
>here so he left.
>
>We need to find the key to that deadbolt!
>
You don't keep your door locked?  That's scary.  I've reached the point
where I not only keep the doors locked, I put the alarm system on in the
daytime if Joe's not home.
ndh

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he
> received a radio call that an officer was here. He was halfway in the
> house before Larry got to the door. The officer he was looking for wasn't

This makes me wonder if he was a real policeman.  I thought they couldn't
walk into a house, uninvited, without a search warrant.

> We need to find the key to that deadbolt!

Definately.  And call your local police dept. to see if an officer really
was dispatched to your house yesterday.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Torkel Franzen wrote:

> historical and orthographical correctness. No Adolph Schickelgruber
> is known to history, but the father of Adolf Hitler was Alois
> Schicklgruber before he changed his name to Hitler.

Good thing for the Aryan Nation-ists.  They would have trouble spelling
Schicklgruber for their signs & leaflets.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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  Phyllis says:

  >Good thing for the Aryan Nation-ists.  They would have trouble spelling
  >Schicklgruber for their signs & leaflets.

  As somebody has pointed out, it's difficult to envisage mass meetings with
people chanting "Heil Schicklgruber". Too bad Alois S didn't keep the name.

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In-Reply-To:  <199803110653.HAA01967@newton.xs4all.nl> from "steph" at Mar 11,
              98 07:53:33 am

steph said:
> Karen Kay:
> = But if she ate whatever it was, couldn't she decide for herself if it
> = was chicken? And spit it out if it weren't?
>
> I guess being a vegetarian qualifies as a picky eater too.

I don't think of it as the same, but I guess the effect is.

> I would say that asking about food I wasn't entirely sure was
> vegetarian has netted me more meat in my meals in foreign lands than
> anything else.

It would in Japan, too. Not now, so much, but when I was there, it was
almost impossible to remain a vegetarian. This was the first time I'd
come across the idea of animal protein as garnish. The average meat
consumption in Japan at that time was about 250 g. In the US it was
over a kilo. I tried hard for the first year, but then I discovered
raw fish...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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At 14:45 11.03.98 +0100, Torkel Franzen wrote:
>  Phyllis says:
>
>  >Good thing for the Aryan Nation-ists.  They would have trouble spelling
>  >Schicklgruber for their signs & leaflets.
>
>  As somebody has pointed out, it's difficult to envisage mass meetings with
>people chanting "Heil Schicklgruber". Too bad Alois S didn't keep the name.

In the book I am reading about a cultural voyage down the Danube we have
now come to Linz. This is where A.H. claimed he wished to retire. This is
also where he and LW went to Realschule.

espen

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At 06:00 11.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>come across the idea of animal protein as garnish. The average meat
>consumption in Japan at that time was about 250 g. In the US it was
>over a kilo. I tried hard for the first year, but then I discovered

For a day, week, month, year - or what?

espen

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Let me make sure I've got this straight:  Mulder no longer believes, Scully's
got a second chip and does, Cancerman's alive and well in Canada, Spencer is
Samatha's half-brother, Krechek's sexual orientation is as changeable as his
loyalty, the Consortium may or may not be aiding the Oiliens in colonizing
Earth, Skully is orgasmic under hypnosis, and Mom Mulder is the biggest slut
since Mrs. Cartman.
"Confused?  You won't be, after this episode of Soap."

JMW

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JMW said:
> Let me make sure I've got this straight:  Mulder no longer believes,
Scully's
> got a second chip and does, Cancerman's alive and well in Canada, Spencer
is
> Samatha's half-brother, Krechek's sexual orientation is as changeable as
his
> loyalty, the Consortium may or may not be aiding the Oiliens in
colonizing
> Earth, Skully is orgasmic under hypnosis, and Mom Mulder is the biggest
slut
> since Mrs. Cartman.
> "Confused?  You won't be, after this episode of Soap."
>
Good grief, and I've been wasting all that time watching Nickelodeon!
ndh

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Whoooooo!
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Head fer the hills, the dam done bust!          8-)

(Just metaphorically speaking, Elwood.)

JMW

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>Dilbert vs Life....Who's imitating who?
>
>A magazine ran a Dilbert quotes contest.  These are actual quotes from
>managers out there.
>
>As of tomorrow, employees will only be able to access the building using
>individual security cards.  Pictures will be taken next Wednesday and
>employees will receive their cards in two weeks.  (This was the winning
>quote from Charles Hurst at Sun Microsystems)
>
>What I need is a list of specific unknown problems we will encounter.
>
>How long is this Beta guy going to keep testing our stuff?
>
>E-mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should be
>used only to be used for company business.
>
>Turnover is good for the company, as it proves that we are doing a good
>job in training people.
>
>This project is so important, we can't let things that are more
>important interfere with it.
>
>Doing it right is no excuse for not meeting the schedule.
>
>No one will believe you solved this problem in one day!  We've been
>working on it for months.  Now, go act busy for a few weeks and I'll let
>you know when it's time to tell them.
>
>

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Torkel Franzen wrote:

>   Phyllis says:
>
>   >Good thing for the Aryan Nation-ists.  They would have trouble spelling
>   >Schicklgruber for their signs & leaflets.
>
>   As somebody has pointed out, it's difficult to envisage mass meetings with
> people chanting "Heil Schicklgruber". Too bad Alois S didn't keep the name.

It could have changed the course of history.  :-)

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Fallingwater fans
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 If you are bored and loved Fallingwater, check out

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~plotkin/



later


alec




Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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From: Paul Kuritz <pkuritz@ABACUS.BATES.EDU>
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Yesterday I received my AARP membership card and, that evening, was asked
for proof of age when I attempted to purchase some alcoholic beverage.

Not since I seat-belted both my father and my son in the back seat of my
car have I felt so in the middle of live.

p

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>On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
>
>> A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he
>
>Ho ho! Were you running around naked?
>
>-aht

        I just hope they had the goldfish hidden!
        (But maybe that's a felony only in Santa Barbara county?)

R. Ramjet

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Alec, were you on the same tour the rest of us were?  The place is decrepit,
cramped, and clammy. However, for the right price...    8-)

John "Three-legged Italian peasant chairs?" W.

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:

> Let me make sure I've got this straight:  Mulder no longer believes,

He's "torn."

>Scully's
> got a second chip and does,

She's just doing what any competent scientist would do.

> Cancerman's alive and well in Canada, Spencer is
> Samatha's half-brother,

Who is Spencer? Missed that one.

> Krechek's sexual orientation is as changeable as his

That kiss was a Judas-type kiss of betrayal. However it did occur to me
that the black leather outfit made Kricek look rather <fruity>.

> Earth, Skully is orgasmic under hypnosis,

Damn! Missed this too!

> and Mom Mulder is the biggest slut
> since Mrs. Cartman.

But at least Mulder's mom didn't pose on the cover of Crack Whore Magazine.

-aht

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Paul Kuritz wrote:
>
> Not since I seat-belted both my father and my son in the back seat of my
> car have I felt so in the middle of live.

Ah -- that charming age in which one can develop a new wrinkle and a new
zit on the same day.

Verdant

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
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At 09:00 AM 03/11/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Alec, were you on the same tour the rest of us were?  The place is decrepit,
>cramped, and clammy. However, for the right price...    8-)
>
>John "Three-legged Italian peasant chairs?" W.
>
I thought Fallingwater was cool. I liked the idea of a stream flowing under
a house. Damp and cramped, but still neat.


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Alec Plotkin wrote:

> I thought Fallingwater was cool. I liked the idea of a stream flowing under
> a house. Damp and cramped, but still neat.

And quite beautiful if the picture is any indication.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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You wrote:
>
>Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>>
>> Actions like this make me believe that Singapore has the right idea
by
>> using caning as punishment.  But even that may not be fitting
punishment
>> for these creeps.
>
>Not even close. I don't know what would be. Death is actually too
nice,
>IMO -- it takes only a moment and then it's over.
>
>Verdant
>

On further reflection, a solution better than the death penalty might
be to put these two into the general prison population, making sure
that they are housed in a section populated by Brothers.  I think
things would work themselves out.

jdh -30-

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You wrote:
>
>At 16:19 10.03.98 -0600, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:
>>Seems there were these two Adolph Schickelgruber wannabes up near
>
>Who is Adolph Schickelgruber?
>
>espen
>

OK, it's a corrupted WWII nametag applied to some minor Central
European politician.

jdh -30-

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You wrote:
>
>  Espen says:
>
>  >Who is Adolph Schickelgruber?
>
>  I hasten to inform wordslers that Espen is just being difficult,
>exhibiting a famous Norwegian trait, that of being a stickler for
>historical and orthographical correctness. No Adolph Schickelgruber
>is known to history, but the father of Adolf Hitler was Alois
>Schicklgruber before he changed his name to Hitler.

Ah, Torkel, Espen just tripped over his runes. Probably bad gefilte
fish, you see,

jdh -30-

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From: "Joseph D. Harwood" <jdhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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You wrote:
>
>At 08:46 11.03.98 +0100, Torkel Franzen wrote:
>>  But Ha! didn't you, Espen, suggest the other day that Karl X
crossed
>>the Sound?
>
>At list the Sound freoze in that same winter ...
>
>But so far it seems that the Swede is more correct and exact than the
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Opportunities for instant revenge are so rare.  Should this not be
"more nearly correct and exact"?  After all, correct and exact are
superlatives, not subject to gradation.

>Norwegian. From the Xresund hirtory page
>(<http://www.oresund.com/history/welcome.htm>):

>espen
>

jdh -30-

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: market mover
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> Alyce darlin', we've had Walmarts and Sam's here for about 20 years.

My sympathies.

alyce

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From: gilbertsmith <Gsmith.SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> > I thought Fallingwater was cool. I liked the idea of a stream flowing under
> > a house. Damp and cramped, but still neat.
>
> And quite beautiful if the picture is any indication.
>
>    - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

I thought the Fallingwater trip was the best.  The house is
fascinating, and the grounds beautiful.  And we did lots of goochy
goochy hugging and squeezing in the <environs>.  I remember it well.

I like it so much, I even joined the association.

All this proves the J"M"W doesnt know his culo from a hole in the
ground, if I may speak frankly.
--ggs

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> > Alyce darlin', we've had Walmarts and Sam's here for about 20 years.
>
> My sympathies.
>
> alyce
>

The NMS has just requested that I take her photo in her full-length
mink coat (which she received as a guilt-gift from a former <strayed>
husband) in front of the Walmart, when we go to return the Sony
cordless phone that I bought, which phone is a piece of pure-d <sh*t>.
The ATT cordless phone I bought for $2 at Goodwill works a lot better
and has a range about 10 times that of the Sony.

Anyway, this woman has a sense of humor, as some of you will find
when you look us up at the beach.
--ggs

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In-Reply-To:  <207F7FC00EA@social.chass.ncsu.edu> from "gilbertsmith" at Mar
              11, 98 12:28:27 pm

gilbertsmith said:
> All this proves the J"M"W doesnt know his culo from a hole in the
> ground, if I may speak frankly.

So I have two Spanish questions:  1) What is a ruana?  2) What does it
mean to call a Latino a Hispanic?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:

> On further reflection, a solution better than the death penalty might
> be to put these two into the general prison population, making sure
> that they are housed in a section populated by Brothers.  I think
> things would work themselves out.

When the two white-supremicists who used to be stationed at Fort Bragg
were sentenced to life in prison rather than death for murdering two
blacks at random, I wondered if the jury intended the riony of the
punishment.

Even though these two creeps are supposed to be kept separate from the
other prisioners, I suspect they will spend the rest of their lives
looking over their shoulders wondering if someone will get past the guards
or when a guard might be looking the other way.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> gilbertsmith said:
> > All this proves the J"M"W doesnt know his culo from a hole in the
> > ground, if I may speak frankly.
>
> So I have two Spanish questions:  1) What is a ruana?

If my memory is correct, it's a cross between a shawl & a poncho, a
rectangle of cloth with a slit up the front (longways) and a circle cut
for the neck opening.  A poncho isn't slit in front.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Karen said:
> So I have two Spanish questions:  1) What is a ruana?  2) What does it
> mean to call a Latino a Hispanic?
>
A ruana is one variety of poncho.  Somewhere in a box in the attic we have
two "baby" ruanas sent to the children from Colombia when they were babies.
 They were very warm, and much easier than trying to get those little arms
into the sleeves of coats.
ndh

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Phyllis C. Petree said:
> If my memory is correct, it's a cross between a shawl & a poncho, a
> rectangle of cloth with a slit up the front (longways) and a circle cut
> for the neck opening.  A poncho isn't slit in front.

Oh, right. I know what this is. I know another woman w/ two first
names who has a bunch of them that are very nice.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Alyce, congrats on your present luck, but it sounds like there's a
crown in your future.

Why do crowns cost so damn much anyway?

I'm afraid I know the answer.  Greed.  The dentists have gotten away
with exhorbitant prices for crowns and root canals for as long as
they've been doing those things.  And will continue to do so as long
as they can get away with it.

Bill

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      I Have Honda
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Not in my hand, yet. But I'm going to get the paperwork this
afternoon, and then pick up the car tonight.

It's old, 1985. Has 277,000 miles on it. But. It's only ever had one
owner who maintained it scrupulously. It has a new engine (55,000
miles) and a new clutch. The body is in very good shape, though the
paint is beginning to get funky. It has air-conditioning that works
and a radio and cassette-player that work.

I took it to AAA for their 100-point inspection last week and the
owner fixed the only problems they found. It will need a new
transmission some time in the next couple of years, but that's about
it.

It's a Fenry clone, just a few years newer.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199803111751.LAA09003@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> from "Nancy
              Harwood" at Mar 11, 98 11:35:44 am

Nancy Harwood said:
> A ruana is one variety of poncho.  Somewhere in a box in the attic we have
> two "baby" ruanas sent to the children from Colombia when they were babies.
>  They were very warm, and much easier than trying to get those little arms
> into the sleeves of coats.

Aha!! I need to buy a present for the engineer I work most closely
with--he and his wife just had a baby, and I've been thinking about
what to get them. Maybe this would be a good thing, if I could find
one.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <20884997C0F@social.chass.ncsu.edu> from "Bill Holler" at Mar 11,
              98 12:46:40 pm

Bill Holler said:
> Alyce, congrats on your present luck, but it sounds like there's a
> crown in your future.
>
> Why do crowns cost so damn much anyway?
>
> I'm afraid I know the answer.  Greed.

Some of it is art. My dentist sends his to a lab, and the people in
the lab are devoted to making good teeth. It's very funny; not my
choice, but I appreciate that they love their work and are willing to
put in the time.

Some of it is cost of materials, too.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: I Have Honda
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Not in my hand, yet. But I'm going to get the paperwork this
> afternoon, and then pick up the car tonight.

Congratulations. Hope you have many miles of driving happiness. Happy
trails...

alyce

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> So I have two Spanish questions:  1) What is a ruana?  2) What does it
> mean to call a Latino a Hispanic?
>
> Karen

"ruana" means ..round..   Also means "roan"...  I've never heard it
as a slang term, maybe means the same thing as "culo".

Latino and Hispanic (or Hispano) are terms with political
implications.  Some want to be called Latinos and some Hispanos.
I've never understood who wants what, but I imagine that people
in SW U.S. learn quickly which is the <preferred> term.

I'll bet money that J"M"W has something to say about this.  And -aht,
if she is through celebrating her bday (Happy Birthday -aht!)
--ggs

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              11, 98 12:52:10 pm

gilbertsmith said:
> "ruana" means ..round..   Also means "roan"...  I've never heard it
> as a slang term, maybe means the same thing as "culo".

I think "article of clothing" is more the category that I am looking for.

> Latino and Hispanic (or Hispano) are terms with political
> implications.  Some want to be called Latinos and some Hispanos.
> I've never understood who wants what, but I imagine that people
> in SW U.S. learn quickly which is the <preferred> term.

Not just the Southwest, dear. Actually, this came up in a book about
Latinos in the Bay Area. They do not like the term "Hispanic". I think
it's because they come from Mexico.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              98 01:03:50 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Congratulations. Hope you have many miles of driving happiness. Happy
> trails...

Thank you; I hope this car leaves no trails.:)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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gilbertsmith said:
> All this proves the J"M"W doesnt know his culo from a hole in the
> ground, if I may speak frankly.

        That's as may be, but MY humble hutch is

        Warm

        Dry

     &  Plumb, all things Fallingwater will never be.  Granted, my crib
        ain't nearly as picturesque but it *can* be lived in, something
        the previous owners of FW weren't able to accomplish...

Sullivan

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> gilbertsmith said:
> > All this proves the J"M"W doesnt know his culo from a hole in the
> > ground, if I may speak frankly.
>
> So I have two Spanish questions:  1) What is a ruana?  2) What does it
> mean to call a Latino a Hispanic?

A ruana is a garment. Imagine a poncho with a split up the front, so it
hangs down in two tails in front of you. One of these tails is tossed in
a devil-may-care manner over the opposite shoulder. I have one somewhere
and like it a lot, except that it tends to get into topological
difficulties with shoulder bags and shoulder straps.

Hispanic--->Latino is one of those Oriental--->Asian transitions, I
think. Latinos of Mexican, Central American and South American ancestry
point out, with some accuracy, that they are not "Hispanic" -- they have
nothing in common with Spain but a language.

Verdant

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>phone is a piece of pure-d <sh*t>.

I know this was discussed before but, I never saw the definition so, what's
the origin of pure-d? I can tell from the sentence what it means.

Rita Mae Brown uses it a lot in her autobiography as well as in Bingo, which
is fiction based on her family.

lisa

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Janet said:
> A ruana is a garment. Imagine a poncho with a split up the front, so it
> hangs down in two tails in front of you. One of these tails is tossed in
> a devil-may-care manner over the opposite shoulder. I have one somewhere
> and like it a lot, except that it tends to get into topological
> difficulties with shoulder bags and shoulder straps.

The ones the children had were simply fringed rectangles with a slit in the
middle for their heads.  No ends to toss anywhere -- but of course at that
age they weren't much into fashion statements.
ndh
>

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, gilbertsmith wrote:

> I'll bet money that J"M"W has something to say about this.  And -aht,

Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
course. Yesterday I read an article in the paper quoting a local professor
who referred to some political candidates as "Chicanos," and on Sunday I
read interviews with a couple of those selfsame candidates where they
referred to themselves as "Mexicanos." NPR runs a program called "Latino
USA," so the term "Latino"  must have currency with the producers at NPR,
but I can't say I hear it much in daily conversation.

My advice to Karen would be that if you aren't sure about the political
baggage a given term carries, then stay away from using it.

-aht

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> the origin of pure-d? I can tell from the sentence what it means.

D is supposed to be "damn" in a form you can speak in front of the children.

Also see "dagnabbit," "goldurn," "golly," "gosh," and so on.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
> Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
> course.

Yes. I'm not sure that it was ever that popular, except with whites.

> Yesterday I read an article in the paper quoting a local professor
> who referred to some political candidates as "Chicanos," and on Sunday I
> read interviews with a couple of those selfsame candidates where they
> referred to themselves as "Mexicanos."

Those are both terms for Mexican-Americans in my understanding. But as
my Cuban friend reminds me, not all Spanish speakers are Mexicans.
(She grew up in Miami, so being an oppressed minority is new to her.)

> NPR runs a program called "Latino
> USA," so the term "Latino"  must have currency with the producers at NPR,
> but I can't say I hear it much in daily conversation.

I *think* that Latino is more inclusive.

> My advice to Karen would be that if you aren't sure about the political
> baggage a given term carries, then stay away from using it.

"Those of Spanish-speaking ethnicity"?????

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne said:
> D is supposed to be "damn" in a form you can speak in front of the
children.
>
> Also see "dagnabbit," "goldurn," "golly," "gosh," and so on.
>
My mother never would "swear" -- about as far as she went with profanity
was "Well, I'll be John Brown!"
ndh

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Anne H Toal said:
> > Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
> > Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
> > course.
>
> Yes. I'm not sure that it was ever that popular, except with whites.

Whites?

Betty

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Betty Clark said:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Anne H Toal said:
> > > Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
> > > Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
> > > course.
> >
> > Yes. I'm not sure that it was ever that popular, except with whites.
>
> Whites?

As a term for lumping all of "them" together. "Them" in this case
being anyone who self-identifies with a culture of a country where the
majority of the people speak Spanish. (I'm unhappy with this
definition, but it's as close as I can come at the moment.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> being anyone who self-identifies with a culture of a country where the
> majority of the people speak Spanish. (I'm unhappy with this
> definition, but it's as close as I can come at the moment.)

That's pathetic.

-aht

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
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Subject:      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahaha
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http://www.indiabuzz.com/laughter/index.htm

I think I'll start a chapter here.

Pasha


Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:

> This makes me wonder if he was a real policeman.  I thought they couldn't
> walk into a house, uninvited, without a search warrant.

He didn't actually walk into the house. He opened the door and stuck his
his head shoulders through the doorway. This officer was expecting to be
expected.

He definitely was a real police officer. A very confussed and embarrassed
one, I might add. I accompanied him out of the house and there were two
patrol cars parked in the street. These officers were looking for a fellow
officer who had called and given our address as his location. I'm glad
this wasn't a drug raid and they didn't come through my door with a
battering ram.

What, I wonder, would have been the consequences if I had been smoking
dope or involved in some other illegal activity when this officer
invaded my privacy?


Larry

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Larry Clark wrote:

> What, I wonder, would have been the consequences if I had been smoking
> dope or involved in some other illegal activity when this officer

You probably have more to worry about getting caught smoking cigarettes
or running around naked inside the house.

-aht

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>What, I wonder, would have been the consequences if
>I had been smoking dope or involved in some other
>illegal activity when this officer invaded my privacy?

Hey, Puzzle Boy, I thought you quit smoking.

I'll bet Natalie's answer would be along the lines of
"well since you weren't doing anything illegal, what's
the difference?"

What do you suppose the consequences would have been if
you had chosen to defend your home from this intruder?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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On 11 Mar 98 at 13:26, Larry Clark  wrote:

> What, I wonder, would have been the consequences if I had been smoking
> dope or involved in some other illegal activity when this officer
> invaded my privacy?

You'd be in jail.

[Insert standard rant about drug exception to the 4th amendment here]

Tony H.

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The following were winners in a New York Magazine contest in which
contestants were to take a well-known expression in a foreign language,
change a single letter, and provide a definition for the new expression.


HARLEZ-VOUS FRANCAIS? - Can you drive a French motorcycle?

EX POST FUCTO - Lost in the mail

IDIOS AMIGOS - We're wild and crazy guys!

VENI, VIPI, VICI - I came, I'm a very important person, I conquered.

RIGOR MORRIS - The cat is dead.

RESPONDEZ S'IL VOUS PLAID - Honk if you're Scottish.

QUE SERA SERF - Life is feudal

LE ROI EST MORT.  JIVE LE ROI -- The king is dead.  No kidding.

POSH MORTEM -- Death styles of the rich and famous

PRO BOZO PUBLICO - Support your local clown.

MONAGE A TROIS - I am three years old.

FELIX NAVIDAD - Our cat has a boat.

HASTE CUISINE - Fast French food

VENI, VIDI, VICE - I came, I saw, I partied.

QUIP PRO QUO - A fast retort

MAZEL TON - tons of luck

APRES MOE LE DELUGE - Larry and Curly got wet.

PORTE-KOCHERE - Sacramental wine

ICH LIEBE RICH - I'm really crazy about having dough.

FUI GENERIS - What's mine is mine.

VISA LA FRANCE - Don't leave your chateau without it.

CA VA SANS DIRT -- And that's not gossip.

MERCI RIEN - Thanks for nothin'!

AMICUS PURIAE - Platonic friend

L'ETAT, C'EST MOO - I'm bossy around here.

COGITO, ERGO SPUD - I think, therefore I Yam


--
alyce
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two red, asymmetrical eggholders in the door of the refrigerator in
the apt in rome.

a condom shop in rome.

a radio ad touting a lucent technologies job fair in galway.

wishing i had steph's phone number in the amsterdam airport.

those are all i remember.
maureen

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the way the irish speak english fascinated me.

three of my favorite instances:

a road sign warning *traffic calming ahead* as a warning to reduce
speed.

a father telling his mildy rambunctious three-year-old in a
restaurant, *you will not be going giddy here, diedre.*  diedre
calmed right down.

my aunt responding to my question about if she read a lot, * i am a
maaaartyyyyr to a good book.*

no wonder they love language so much.
maureen

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On  7 Mar 98 at 18:22, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIA  wrote:

> >Do you really count six Great Lakes?
>
>         At less than 500 square miles Champlain ain't "great".

Every Ontarian knows Lake St. Clair is the sixth Great Lake.  If Lake
Champlain can become a GL, then about 100 lakes in Ontario and Quebec
that are larger and have just as much historical connection to the
fur trade, western exploration, etc. could qualify.  And if they'll
get US funds for environmental stuff, so much the better!

Anyway - we already have Great Bear Lake and Great Slave Lake, both
of which are many times the size of Pond^H^H^H^HLake Champlain.

Tony H.

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Larry Clark wrote:
>
> > What, I wonder, would have been the consequences if I had been smoking
> > dope or involved in some other illegal activity when this officer
>
> You probably have more to worry about getting caught smoking cigarettes
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gawd! Especially in the SFBA. Smoking is the most socially unacceptable
thing one can do short of murder or kidnapping.

> or running around naked inside the house.

This is totally acceptable in the SFBA.
>
> -aht
>

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Richard Scheidt wrote:

> >What, I wonder, would have been the consequences if
> >I had been smoking dope or involved in some other
> >illegal activity when this officer invaded my privacy?
>
> Hey, Puzzle Boy, I thought you quit smoking.

Ummm, strictly a hypothetical question, you understand.

>
> What do you suppose the consequences would have been if
> you had chosen to defend your home from this intruder?
>

Yeah, I had thought of that too. In this case, I wouldn't have a leg to
stand on.

Larry

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On 11 Mar 98 at 14:03, floreant  wrote:

> the way the irish speak english fascinated me.
>
> three of my favorite instances:
>
> a road sign warning *traffic calming ahead* as a warning to reduce
> speed.

I don't think this meant "calm traffic to be expected ahead" or
"kindly calm yourself" - rather it was probably a warning along the
lines of "speed bumps ahead".  We have traffic calming measures on
our street - planters, raised curbs and the like to try to slow
traffic.

Tony H.

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>the way the irish speak english fascinated me.
>
>three of my favorite instances:
>
>a road sign warning *traffic calming ahead* as a warning to reduce
>speed.
>
My favorite sign in Ireland was on the curb outside the entrance to the
Shannon Airport.  It said:

Don't even think about parking here.

>my aunt responding to my question about if she read a lot, * i am a
>maaaartyyyyr to a good book.*
>
I found it interesting that by the time we had been there three days, every
time Joe said a word with an "r" in it, it came out more like "rrrrr".
When I heard him say "Foine" for "fine", I figured his ancestors had caught
up with him.
ndh

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Said the recent birthday-WebMom:

> Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor
> stupid Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term
> has run its course. Yesterday I read an article in the paper
> quoting a local professor who referred to some political
> candidates as "Chicanos," and on Sunday I read interviews with a
> couple of those selfsame candidates where they referred to
> themselves as "Mexicanos." NPR runs a program called "Latino

I've always thought of 'Chicano' as referring specifically to Mexicans.
Which is confirmed by this 'Chicano'/'Mexicano' equivalence.

> USA," so the term "Latino"  must have currency with the producers
> at NPR, but I can't say I hear it much in daily conversation.

In my view of Anglo common parlance, 'Latino' and 'Hispanic' are pretty
much interchangeable.  Undoubtedly, using one instead of the other may
well be taken as an insult, but this benighted Anglo has no idea who
prefers which term.

> My advice to Karen would be that if you aren't sure about the political
> baggage a given term carries, then stay away from using it.

To add to the confusion, 'Hispanic' is an official guvmint 'race' code
-- to HCFA, a person can be Unknown (0), White (1), Black (2), Other
(3), Asian (4), Hispanic (5), or North American Native (6).  There's no
provision for mixed race ... you have to choose one and only one code.
That ordering of the codes, with Other stuck in the middle, is because
codes 4-6 were added sometime after SSA or HCFA started collecting data.
BTW, there was no attempt to 'update' those categorized under the 0-3
choices into the 0-6 codes.

Before that date (in the '70s?), the 4's and 6's were certainly part of
3.  The 5's, however, are an intriguing case.  I don't see how
'Hispanic' can be placed in the same set as the others ... by no stretch
of the imagination is it a race.  Jose Feliciano and Roberto Clemente
are/were both 'Hispanics' -- both Puerto Ricans, as a matter of fact --
but if there were no such 'race' code I'd be perfectly comfortable
coding the former as a 1, the latter as a 2.

It makes for problems in many situations.  For instance, I heard a
report today about some sort of association between Alzheimer's disease
and a particular allele of the enzyme apolipoprotein-e.  The association
was reported to be stronger in blacks and Hispanics than in whites --
odds ratios something like 4.5 for blacks/whites, 2.5 for
Hispanics/whites.  Without additional data, I'd surmise that the
association is actually some sort of black/white genetic difference, and
that the supposed Hispanic association is largely an artifact of the
lumping-together of blacks and whites (and perhaps Native Americans as
well) under that non-race term.

--
neal traven                     Northeast Health Care Quality Foundation
                             * * * * *
       "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                      -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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In-Reply-To:  <m0yCtq9-0000TsC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> from "Tony Harminc" at Mar
              11, 98 05:16:50 pm

Tony Harminc said:
> Every Ontarian knows Lake St. Clair is the sixth Great Lake.

That's funny! I was thinking the same thing when I read the article. I
think Michiganders know this, too...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Date:         Sun, 18 Aug 1991 02:03:00 IST
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From:         TUSHAR SAMANT <TUSHAR@TIFRVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      I take your leave.
To:           Tony Harminc <TONY@MCGILL1.BITNET>

Dear Sir/Madam,

        This is my last letter to WORDS-L. I now have to return to a village
where there are no computors and no electronic network. A propos list-servers,
I think that there are some differences between discussions on lists and
ordinary verbal discussions. They are :

1 At the time of sending a letter, one does not have any knowledge of what the
others are sending. This results in several people sending identical replies to
a question.

2 People in the same geographical area are logged into their computors at the
same time, and hence can achieve something resembling a conversation. People
who can consult the machine infrequently and at odd times always have to see
a discussion which has been completed, or a series of remarks which have gone
stale with time.

        Realising this, I always attempted to send things which were necessary,
relatively independent of topicalities, and likely to be new. I also habitually
collected several points in one letter which I sent (or to be precise, asked my
friend to send).

        I am naturally grieved to leave this excellent list, since I gained
enormous benefit from it. It has managed, in an almost unnoticeable manner,
to smoothen the rough edges of my english, in which present progressives
proliferate no more, which is much less awkwardnessful, and whose "quaint
charm", I am happy to say, is to a greater or lesser extent a thing of the
past.

        I am still recalling my first letter to WORDS-L, and I compare it often
with my second. I am thinking I may well lay claim to being the fastest convert
from the "prescriptivist" to the "descriptivist" fashion of thinking.

        It is in such ways, and many more, that WORDS-L helped me. It sobered
me from a grammar-drunkenness and intoxicated me with a very different, and
heightened, sense of language. This has been due to the fact that WORDS-L is a
list of people who talk about their topics, and not of academics who discuss
theirs. This, I feel, is one strength of such a list. I will certainly not
forget WORDS-L ever.

        I hope that my own contributions, if they were inconsequential, at
least did no great damage to the list. I take the opportunity to apologise
now if I hurt anyone with my occasional clowning. It was not meant to be
serious. And - if I may start a sentence with an and - if my writing struck you
as stilted, formal, boring or dull, then I can always take shelter behind the
argument that the list was actually enriched by another variety of english !

        Goodbye.

Yours Sincerely,
Virupaksha Mokshagundam.

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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"I bought one of those hang-around-the-neck magnifier thingies -- too muc=
h
trouble to mess with.
ndh
"-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
Thanks for your report on those thingies. I was tempted to get one, but
wasn't sure if they were worth buying. Hugz Theo

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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> Alyce darlin', we've had Walmarts and Sam's here for about 20 years.

My sympathies.

alyce
"
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There are plans for building a super W***rt nearby where I live, and I
can't wait!
As it is, we have one grocery store, one tiny Ben Franklin and one hardwa=
re
store.
It'll feel like being in the *big* city again :-) Hugz Theo

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Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>>
>
>On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Anne H Toal said:
> > Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
> > Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
> > course.
>
> Yes. I'm not sure that it was ever that popular, except with whites.
>
>Whites?

        You betchur culo, on both points.  (Literally, in the
        <wrong crowd> ).  The local rag started capitalizing the
        adjective "white" within the last month, for reasons I
        can only presume have to do with being consistent with
        other "racial" designations.
        I can't speak about other areas, but in this benighted
        corner of the Republic neither 'Latin' nor 'Hispanic' are
        used in either English or Spanish, that I've noticed, but
        around here the "Spanish-speaking" population is fairly,
        uh, monolithic, I suppose would be the term, but have the
        following characteristics:
        A. A small but vocal minority who brindle at *any* term
        other than "American";
        B. A majority who, in English, go along with "Mexican-
        American" but tend to prefer "Spanish-speaking";
        C. A lower socio-economic strata that tends toward "La
        Raza"; (we're talking Spanish-language, here)
        D. Everyone else, including the media, goes with "La
        Gente".  (Same qualifier)
        Other than THAT, the designator-of-choice is Nation Of
        Origin, unless you happen to be Cuban, in which case
        you keep your mouth shut and work on your accent.  Hey,
        what can I say?  This ain't Miami...

        "You have to learn our quaint little customs and folkways,
        gringo, or else it's your ass."

                        - Richard Bradford, "Red Sky At Morning"

JMW

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > A police officer just knocked on our door and opened it! He said he
>
> Ho ho! Were you running around naked?

No, it wasn't my birthday.

Betty

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Anne H Toal said:
> > > > Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
> > > > Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
> > > > course.
> > >
> > > Yes. I'm not sure that it was ever that popular, except with whites.
> >
> > Whites?
>
> As a term for lumping all of "them" together. "Them" in this case
> being anyone who self-identifies with a culture of a country where the
> majority of the people speak Spanish. (I'm unhappy with this
> definition, but it's as close as I can come at the moment.)

One of my friends was just telling me how she hated being called a white
bitch by a guy who was angry at her about a traffic violation. White? I'm
white?, she replied.

Betty

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUJREX06FS9AMRE6@mc.maricopa.edu> from "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR?
              WILLIAMS" at Mar 11, 98 06:14:10 pm

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS said:
> From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>>
> >On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Anne H Toal said:
> > > Lately if I use the term "Hispanic," I have been getting the "poor stupid
> > > Anglo" expression, so I think it's fair to say this term has run its
> > > course.
> >
> > Yes. I'm not sure that it was ever that popular, except with whites.
> >
> >Whites?
>
>         You betchur culo, on both points.  (Literally, in the
>         <wrong crowd> ).  The local rag started capitalizing the
>         adjective "white" within the last month, for reasons I
>         can only presume have to do with being consistent with
>         other "racial" designations.

I didn't realize (until now) that this was Betty's question. I've been
using this term for so many years that it sounds natural to me, so I
expect it to sound that way to everyone.

>         A. A small but vocal minority who brindle at *any* term
>         other than "American";

Good for them.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Subject:      I love my car!!!!
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Kind of makes me want to quit my job and drive across the
U.S. visiting Wordslers...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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The propieter of the local headquarters
>for all the SCA and Ren Faire crowd, passed this one on and I cannot
>resist letting you all in on it.
>
>  One of his gang had just gone to an SCA gathering where he took
>delivery of a fine new chain mail shirt. He tried it on. liked it and
>just wore it for the rest of the meeting and then threw a jacket over it
>when he left.
>
>  On the way home, our stalwart SCA type needed re-fueling so he pulled
>in at the 7-11. As he walked back to the car, bag in hand, one of two
>fellows hanging around came over and asked for a loan. He shoved him away
>and started to move off when bad boy number two charged in and slashed a
>knife across his stomach, side to side. BB #2 then stepped back to admire
>his handiwork and watch the white boy trying to stuff his guts back in.
>Imagine his surprise when the victem seemed unharmed.
>
>  Our hero, realizing that this could turn into something fatal, decided
>to put his acting talent to work. Remember, this is in a dark parking lot
>and as you know, the SCA types often sport large amounts of facial hair.
>He fishes inside his shirt, comes up with a large medalion and holds it
>out towards the puzzled pair. In a deep voice, he says, " Fools, you
>cannot kill that which is already dead."
>
>  BB #1 and BB #2 beat feet at the speed of a track star and for weeks
>after, there was a rumor that a vampire was hanging out at the 7 -11.
>
>----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 11, 98 07:12:01 pm

Betty Clark said:
> One of my friends was just telling me how she hated being called a white
> bitch by a guy who was angry at her about a traffic violation. White? I'm
> white?, she replied.

Well, was she?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: market mover
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Theodora M Groothof wrote:

> There are plans for building a super W***rt nearby where I live, and I
> can't wait! As it is, we have one grocery store, one tiny Ben
> Franklin and one hardware store.

Kiss the grocery, Ben Franklin, and the hardware srore goodbye. Soon
you'll have just one store instead of three.

alyce
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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > One of my friends was just telling me how she hated being called a white
> > bitch by a guy who was angry at her about a traffic violation. White? I'm
> > white?, she replied.
>
> Well, was she?

Why refer to someone by their race? Why not just bitch instead of white
bitch?

To answer your question, yes, she can be a bitch.

Betty

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 11, 98 07:54:33 pm

Betty Clark said:
> Why refer to someone by their race?

Why not? Are you so politically correct that you can't use any racial
terms?

> Why not just bitch instead of white bitch?

"White bitch" gives further description, particularly if the caller is
not either of those.

I saw a license plate holder recently that said something like
"G-Rated White Boy". I use the epithet "white boy" a lot. I guess
because I see a lot of them.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > Why refer to someone by their race?
>
> Why not? Are you so politically correct that you can't use any racial
> terms?

No, but it takes on different meanings when you put it in front of words
like bitch and motherf*cker. I know a person who is being sued because she
put the race in front of the name. Racist is the charge.

Betty



>
> > Why not just bitch instead of white bitch?
>
> "White bitch" gives further description, particularly if the caller is
> not either of those.
>
> I saw a license plate holder recently that said something like
> "G-Rated White Boy". I use the epithet "white boy" a lot. I guess
> because I see a lot of them.
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I saw a license plate holder recently that said something like
> "G-Rated White Boy". I use the epithet "white boy" a lot. I guess
> because I see a lot of them.

In what instance would/could you say "white boy"? Do you say it *to*
people, or *about* them? I've never heard it said, as far as I can
remember, except in the movies.

alyce

alyce

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 11, 98 09:02:43 pm

Betty Clark said:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why not? Are you so politically correct that you can't use any racial
> > terms?
>
> No, but it takes on different meanings when you put it in front of words
> like bitch and motherf*cker. I know a person who is being sued because she
> put the race in front of the name. Racist is the charge.

But in the story you told the woman reacted to being told she's white.
Which seems odd to me. Sometimes I do act unbearably white.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <35076D6D.B640042B@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 12,
              98 00:06:53 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I saw a license plate holder recently that said something like
> > "G-Rated White Boy". I use the epithet "white boy" a lot. I guess
> > because I see a lot of them.
>
> In what instance would/could you say "white boy"? Do you say it *to*
> people, or *about* them? I've never heard it said, as far as I can
> remember, except in the movies.

I doubt that I would ever say it to someone--that's why I found it so
odd that that guy's own car said that. I say it about some of the
people that work in my company.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <199803120513.AA09203@waltz.rahul.net> from "Karen Kay" at Mar
              11, 98 09:13:09 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> In what instance would/could you say "white boy"? Do you say it *to*
> people, or *about* them?

I just remembered when I said it about someone. One of the people I
interviewed at the company where I hope to work--in fact, this is the
person that I would have been reporting to, or so he said. He did
things like, when he talked, he watched me to make sure I was
responding, but when I talked, he deliberately looked away and talked
over me. It was annoying, but rather predictable. I called this
Silicon Valley White Boy behavior. It's kind of conversational
aggression just for the practice; one of the marketing guys I really
like does this sometimes. It's like someone who works out a lot
flexing their muscles.

FWIW, this person liked me a lot; two other people told me that he
really wanted to hire me.

Of course he doesn't know I called him a white boy.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Larry Clark" at Mar 11, 98 02:18:18 pm

Larry Clark said:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:
> > or running around naked inside the house.
>
> This is totally acceptable in the SFBA.

I thought it was required...

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Of course he doesn't know I called him a white boy.

If this person had been black, and exhibited the same interviewing
technique and behavior, what would you have called him?

alyce

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In-Reply-To:  <350770ED.C07590C@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 12,
              98 00:21:49 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Of course he doesn't know I called him a white boy.
>
> If this person had been black, and exhibited the same interviewing
> technique and behavior, what would you have called him?

I might have called him the same thing; it depends.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9803111506.A14716-0100000@netcom5> from "Anne H Toal"
              at Mar 11, 98 03:19:32 pm

Anne H Toal said:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > being anyone who self-identifies with a culture of a country where the
> > majority of the people speak Spanish. (I'm unhappy with this
> > definition, but it's as close as I can come at the moment.)
>
> That's pathetic.

Why?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980228213612.00894630@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Feb 28, 98 09:36:12 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> At 14:28 28.02.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
> >On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
> >
> >> For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children
> >
> >Nothing personal, but over the years you have posted an inordinate number
> >of messages dealing with the purchase, preparation, and consumption of
> >animal heads. I'm a little bit worried.
>
> We also eat what is called "cod's tongues" which aren't really that but
> some muscles from down the cod's throat. I think you should be more worried
> when I start circling into the human species b y e.g. eating monkey's heads.

But isn't this a sign of sociopathic or disassociative behavior? No
matter what the species?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Ore" at Mar 11, 98 03:06:17 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> At 06:00 11.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >come across the idea of animal protein as garnish. The average meat
> >consumption in Japan at that time was about 250 g. In the US it was
> >over a kilo. I tried hard for the first year, but then I discovered
>
> For a day, week, month, year - or what?

Day.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Is he on hiatus?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 11:16 11.03.98 -0600, you wrote:
>>But so far it seems that the Swede is more correct and exact than the
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Opportunities for instant revenge are so rare.  Should this not be
>"more nearly correct and exact"?  After all, correct and exact are
>superlatives, not subject to gradation.

Granted. and here is something about my mixup of Swedish ice crossings:
Charels X's army crossed from Jutland to Zealand. (Via some other islands)
But some kings later Charles XII planned to send *his* army across the
sound but then the weather turned mild and the ice broke up. This same
Charles XII was later killed when he led the attack on a Norwegian fortress
town. Over the years it has been hotly debated whether the bullet was fired
by a Norwegian or a Swede.

espen

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At 11:13 11.03.98 -0600, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:
>
>Ah, Torkel, Espen just tripped over his runes. Probably bad gefilte
>fish, you see,

This morning I found a message from someone who has *really* tripped over
his runes. Given the supernatural claims he or she must have known that I
would quote it on this service so that should be OK. (It seems fitting that
it comes from yahoo. - I also wonder what "The House of Evans" is):

>  RUNE FOLK :
>
>   I AM AN ARCH-DRUID AND MASTER VITKI ;
>   I CAN READ THE RUNES IN THE ANCIENT
>   WAY OF THE UR-TEXT;THIS IS THE STAR-
>   TONGUE TRADITION OVER 100,000 YRS OLD;
>   ATOMIC TABLE VALUES,ORIGINAL ASTROLOGY,
>   SOURCE OF ALL LANGUAGES;29 RUNES IN SYSTEM
>   IS TRUE FUTHARK;PRONUNCIATIONS WRONG;I
>   HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR YOU...
>   BOOK AND 18 HRS VIDEO TO BE PUBLISHED SOON...
>   QUANTUM PHYSICS IS BUT ONE KEY WITHIN THE
>   CODES ...THIS IS THE UNIFIED FIELD IN LANGUAGE;
>
>   PLEASE CONTACT ME ...
>
>
>
>==
>
>                       BLESSED BE;
>                    SHU-AN BLACK WOLF
>                KAEN 2 OS,"B"URD,AND DRUID
>                     HOUSE OF EVANS
>              CLAN OF THE FLOWERING STAR WOLF
>                  ORDER OF THE WHITE LION
>

espen

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At 22:08 11.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> At 14:28 28.02.98 -0600, Anne H Toal wrote:
>> >On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Espen S. Ore wrote:
>> >
>> >> For tomorrow I have bought a cod's head and some cod liver. My children
>> >
>> >Nothing personal, but over the years you have posted an inordinate number
>> >of messages dealing with the purchase, preparation, and consumption of
>> >animal heads. I'm a little bit worried.
>>
>> We also eat what is called "cod's tongues" which aren't really that but
>> some muscles from down the cod's throat. I think you should be more worried
>> when I start circling into the human species b y e.g. eating monkey's
heads.
>
>But isn't this a sign of sociopathic or disassociative behavior? No
>matter what the species?

In Iceland they eat *dried* cods' heads (and fermented shark and other
<interesting> stuff).

espen

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At 22:16 11.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> At 06:00 11.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>> >come across the idea of animal protein as garnish. The average meat
>> >consumption in Japan at that time was about 250 g. In the US it was
>> >over a kilo. I tried hard for the first year, but then I discovered
>>
>> For a day, week, month, year - or what?
>
>Day.

This is very hard for me to believe. 250 g. of meat per day is in itself
very much, even today. A kilo sounds incredible, and these are given as
average values (by which I guess you mean mean values, although I am not
sure if it is over the whole population or adults over 15 or something).

espen

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  Espen says:

   >But some kings later Charles XII planned to send *his* army across the
   >sound but then the weather turned mild and the ice broke up. This same
   >Charles XII was later killed when he led the attack on a Norwegian fortress
   >town. Over the years it has been hotly debated whether the bullet was fired
   >by a Norwegian or a Swede.

  Charles XII is a favorite of our local nazi brigade. Exactly why
this should be so is puzzling, since (i) Charles XII was by no means a
racist himself, but a pretty cosmopolitan sort of king, and (ii) his
chief contribution to the course of Swedish history was to conduct a
series of disastrous wars that resulted in the end of Sweden as a European
power.

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  Espen says:

  >This is very hard for me to believe. 250 g. of meat per day is in itself
  >very much, even today. A kilo sounds incredible, and these are given as
  >average values (by which I guess you mean mean values, although I am not
  >sure if it is over the whole population or adults over 15 or something).

  That's no more than 10 Big Macs a day! A cinch for any red-blooded
American.

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On 11 Mar 98 at 22:29, Karen Kay wrote:

> Is he on hiatus?

He is drowning in nineteenth-century bibliographic esoterica.

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  According to recent statistics, total meat consumption in the US
is 120.3 kg/capita/year. That's a lot of meat, to be sure. The
beef consumption is 29.07 kg/capita/year. Chickens, pigs, and cows,
they all go into the dark, or into the maws of Americans. Most
BBQ contests in the world are held in Kansas City. However, Norwegians
have their whale burgers, and are content.

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At 10:52 12.03.98 +0100, Torkel Franzen wrote:
>  According to recent statistics, total meat consumption in the US
>is 120.3 kg/capita/year. That's a lot of meat, to be sure. The
>beef consumption is 29.07 kg/capita/year. Chickens, pigs, and cows,
>they all go into the dark, or into the maws of Americans. Most
>BBQ contests in the world are held in Kansas City. However, Norwegians
>have their whale burgers, and are content.

Actually I have had seal burger in Tromso.

espen

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
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> This morning I found a message from someone who has *really* tripped
over

>From what I understand, this sort of thing can quickly lead to
devastation and ruination.

Ha!

I still have the 10-page-long Christian thingy posted here a while back
about Laodocia or some such.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Marie <mtomlins@SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> No, but it takes on different meanings when you put it in front of words
> like bitch and motherf*cker. I know a person who is being sued because she
> put the race in front of the name. Racist is the charge.

In what context?

Marie

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Is he on hiatus?

I was thinking about this last night.  And where are Marie & Sylvia?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Marie wrote:

> In what context?
>
> Marie

One of the questions in my response to Karen's mem inquiry has been
answered.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
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>http://www.indiabuzz.com/laughter/index.htm
>I think I'll start a chapter here.
>Pasha

Just make sure none of your followers have a hernia.. it's on the "don't"
list.

lisa

Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Marie wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> > No, but it takes on different meanings when you put it in front of words
> > like bitch and motherf*cker. I know a person who is being sued because she
> > put the race in front of the name. Racist is the charge.
>
> In what context?

Our women's basketball coach was communicating with some guy at the gym
during the start of practice. Her words caused undue stress, loss of
sleep, etc.

Betty

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> >http://www.indiabuzz.com/laughter/index.htm
> >I think I'll start a chapter here.
> >Pasha
>
> Just make sure none of your followers have a hernia.. it's on the "don't"
> list.

There are precautions for pregnancy, too.

Betty

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>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Marie wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > No, but it takes on different meanings when you put it in front of =
words
> > > like bitch and motherf*cker. I know a person who is being sued beca=
use she
> > > put the race in front of the name. Racist is the charge.
> >
> > In what context?
>
> Our women's basketball coach was communicating with some guy at the gym
> during the start of practice. Her words caused undue stress, loss of
> sleep, etc.
>

> Betty

Poor fellow.  I feel his pain. <g>

Julie
>

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Julie Creech wrote:

> >
> > On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Marie wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
> > > > No, but it takes on different meanings when you put it in front of =
> words
> > > > like bitch and motherf*cker. I know a person who is being sued beca=
> use she
> > > > put the race in front of the name. Racist is the charge.

> > > In what context?
> >
> > Our women's basketball coach was communicating with some guy at the gym
> > during the start of practice. Her words caused undue stress, loss of
> > sleep, etc.
>
> Poor fellow.  I feel his pain. <g>

He wants her fired as well as getting awarded lots of money. I wonder if
he would have sued if it would have been another guy cursing at him
instead of a woman? Of course it would have to be a representative of the
school.

Betty

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 11 Mar 98 at 22:29, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Is he on hiatus?
>
> He is drowning in nineteenth-century bibliographic esoterica.
>

Please, mem, come up for air!

jinny

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>
> He wants her fired as well as getting awarded lots of money. I wonder =
if
> he would have sued if it would have been another guy cursing at him
> instead of a woman?  <snip>

> Betty

I would guess that greed knows no sexist agenda.

Julie

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> He wants her fired as well as getting awarded lots of money. I wonder if
> he would have sued if it would have been another guy cursing at him
> instead of a woman? Of course it would have to be a representative of the
> school.

Is this he a student?  I think he should grow up.

Or maybe they should just award him what the insult was really worth - two
cents.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > He wants her fired as well as getting awarded lots of money. I wonder if
> > he would have sued if it would have been another guy cursing at him
> > instead of a woman? Of course it would have to be a representative of the
> > school.
>
> Is this he a student?  I think he should grow up.

A graduate who had paid to use the gym up to a certain time.
Occupation-actor. Seriously.

Betty

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>  According to recent statistics, total meat consumption in the US
>is 120.3 kg/capita/year. That's a lot of meat, to be sure. The
>beef consumption is 29.07 kg/capita/year.

        The latest StatAbs* gives the per capita US carnivoring
        at
        All red meat -  114.7 lbs
        Chicken -        48.8 libs
        Turkey -         14.1           (this is all consumed on
                                         the same day, at one sitting.)  8-)

        That's still a lot, but much less than 120.3 kilos.

John "Still waiting for ostrich to show up" W.

* Statistical Abstracts of the U.S., 1997, table no. 230

ps - also according to the Feds, the "Midwest" is OH, IN, IL, MI,
WI, MN, IA, MO, ND, SD, NB, AND KS,  to dredge up an old thread...

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>
> ps - also according to the Feds, the "Midwest" is OH, IN, IL, MI,
> WI, MN, IA, MO, ND, SD, NB, AND KS,  to dredge up an old thread...
>

They also claim Lake Champlain is  Great Lake.

p

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              Ore" at Mar 12, 98 09:05:33 am

Espen S. Ore said:
> This is very hard for me to believe. 250 g. of meat per day is in itself
> very much, even today.

250 grams? It's about 1/2 lb. Split over three meals. I don't think
that's a lot.

> A kilo sounds incredible,

Actually, I think it was 2.5 pounds, which is more than a kilo.

> and these are given as
> average values (by which I guess you mean mean values, although I am not
> sure if it is over the whole population or adults over 15 or something).

Espen, I wouldn't examine these figures too carefully. For one thing,
these are for the 70's. Eating habits have changed. The consumption of
animal protein has dropped significantly in the U.S.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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  Karen says:

  >Espen, I wouldn't examine these figures too carefully.

  Admit it, you made them up.

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In-Reply-To:  <199803121510.QAA20709@brahma.sics.se> from "Torkel Franzen" at
              Mar 12, 98 04:10:22 pm

Torkel Franzen said:
>   Karen says:
>   >Espen, I wouldn't examine these figures too carefully.
>
>   Admit it, you made them up.

No--but I do admit that they are 25 years out of date.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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  Karen says:

  >No--but I do admit that they are 25 years out of date.

  So 25 years ago, the Japanese ate almost as much meat as people in
the US do today? Not likely.

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In-Reply-To:  <199803121526.QAA24429@brahma.sics.se> from "Torkel Franzen" at
              Mar 12, 98 04:26:50 pm

Torkel Franzen said:
>   Karen says:
>   >No--but I do admit that they are 25 years out of date.
>
>   So 25 years ago, the Japanese ate almost as much meat as people in
> the US do today? Not likely.

Whatever. I'm sure you're right, Torkel. You hold onto that, it must
help.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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  Karen says:

  >Whatever. I'm sure you're right, Torkel.

  There you are, that wasn't so hard, was it?

  Meat consumption in Japan:

     From 1965 to 1995, Japan saw annual
     meat consumption rise from 6.4 kg to
     30.7 kg per inhabitant.

     Based on an index of 100 in 1965,
     figures show 236 in 1975, 372 in 1985
     and 480 in 1995.
     Beef has registered an index of 553,
     pork 380 and poultry 579.

    Pork remains the meat registering the
    highest rate of consumption, totaling 11.4 kg per inhabitant per year.
    Poultry shows consumption of 11.0 kg, and beef 8.3 kg.

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Torkel Franzen wrote:

>      Based on an index of 100 in 1965,
>      figures show 236 in 1975, 372 in 1985
>      and 480 in 1995.
>      Beef has registered an index of 553,
>      pork 380 and poultry 579.
>
>     Pork remains the meat registering the
>     highest rate of consumption, totaling 11.4 kg per inhabitant per year.
>     Poultry shows consumption of 11.0 kg, and beef 8.3 kg.


What about monkey heads?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Mar 12 08:49:15 1998
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>   Meat consumption in Japan:
>
>      From 1965 to 1995, Japan saw annual
>      meat consumption rise from 6.4 kg to
>      30.7 kg per inhabitant.
>
>      Based on an index of 100 in 1965,
>      figures show 236 in 1975, 372 in 1985
>      and 480 in 1995.
>      Beef has registered an index of 553,
>      pork 380 and poultry 579.
>
>     Pork remains the meat registering the
>     highest rate of consumption, totaling 11.4 kg per inhabitant per
year.
>     Poultry shows consumption of 11.0 kg, and beef 8.3 kg.

So fish doesn't count as meat? Interesting.

And speaking of the subject line, I am. I have a sore throat and a
headache. Urk.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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>What about monkey heads?
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

        And let's not forget who leads the world in the
        comsumption of cod's throats!

Escoffier

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At 04:43 PM 03/12/1998 +0100, you wrote:
>  Karen says:
>
>  >Whatever. I'm sure you're right, Torkel.
>
>  There you are, that wasn't so hard, was it?
>
>  Meat consumption in Japan:
>
>     From 1965 to 1995, Japan saw annual
>     meat consumption rise from 6.4 kg to
>     30.7 kg per inhabitant.
>
>     Based on an index of 100 in 1965,
>     figures show 236 in 1975, 372 in 1985
>     and 480 in 1995.
>     Beef has registered an index of 553,
>     pork 380 and poultry 579.
>
>    Pork remains the meat registering the
>    highest rate of consumption, totaling 11.4 kg per inhabitant per year.
>    Poultry shows consumption of 11.0 kg, and beef 8.3 kg.
>

Looks like Karen is spouting, I am a Japanese scholar, hear my roar.
Problem is that she hates to admit, she might be wrong.


alec


Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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--Adam:
>So fish doesn't count as meat? Interesting.

Do you count fish as meat?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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In-Reply-To:  <199803121543.QAA28124@brahma.sics.se> from "Torkel Franzen" at
              Mar 12, 98 04:43:33 pm

Torkel Franzen said:
>   Karen says:
>   >Whatever. I'm sure you're right, Torkel.
>
>   There you are, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Uh-huh.

>   Meat consumption in Japan:

I wasn't just including meat; I was including *all sources
of animal protein*. That is, if you'll pardon the expression, another
kettle of fish.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Phyllis C. Petree" at Mar 12, 98 10:45:24 am

Phyllis C. Petree said:
> What about monkey heads?

Not Japanese food.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980312105359.00819d20@pobox.upenn.edu> from "Alec
              Plotkin" at Mar 12, 98 10:53:59 am

Alec Plotkin said:
> Looks like Karen is spouting, I am a Japanese scholar, hear my roar.
> Problem is that she hates to admit, she might be wrong.

Your problem, Alec, is that you believe I care. In that, you would be
wrong.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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> --Adam:
> >So fish doesn't count as meat? Interesting.
>
> Do you count fish as meat?
>
> Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

Yes. It's animal flesh.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUKPGZA6NM948MZQ@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> from "Richard Scheidt" at
              Mar 12, 98 09:59:53 am

Richard Scheidt said:
> --Adam:
> >So fish doesn't count as meat? Interesting.
>
> Do you count fish as meat?

In contrasting it w/ vegetarianism, yes. And for the purposes of this
discussion. Which may be part of the problem.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Chickens, pigs, and cows, all go into the BBQ contests in Kansas City.
Last year's Vegetarian BBQ drew the ire of the beef eaters.



--
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At 08:04 AM 03/12/1998 -0800, you wrote:
>Alec Plotkin said:
>> Looks like Karen is spouting, I am a Japanese scholar, hear my roar.
>> Problem is that she hates to admit, she might be wrong.
>
>Your problem, Alec, is that you believe I care. In that, you would be
>wrong.
>

 Wow!! I can feel the love. It sends chills down spine.


 peace


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Is he on hiatus?
>
> I was thinking about this last night.  And where are Marie & Sylvia?

Lurking and working.

--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
>
> John "Still waiting for ostrich to show up" W.

Ostrich rules!

Betty

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>Ostrich rules!
>
>Betty

        Yea, and dammit, I'm going to miss the Ostrich Festival in
        Chandler again this year!
        Mexico, Ostrich Festival.  Mexico, Ostrich Festival.
        Tough call.

JMW

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At 09:26 AM 03/12/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>>Ostrich rules!
>>
>>Betty
>
>        Yea, and dammit, I'm going to miss the Ostrich Festival in
>        Chandler again this year!
>        Mexico, Ostrich Festival.  Mexico, Ostrich Festival.
>        Tough call.
>
>JMW
>
Compromise, eat Ostrich in Mexico.



eat meat,


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Espen S. Ore said:
> > This is very hard for me to believe. 250 g. of meat per day is in itself
> > very much, even today.
>
> 250 grams? It's about 1/2 lb. Split over three meals. I don't think
> that's a lot.

Right now, when I'm consciously eating a lot more protein than usual, I
eat more than that -- but it's the first time in many years that I have,
and I still don't come anywhere close to your average (in fact, I'd say
I'm still eating less than half that much meat). Pre-diet, I probably
ate an average of one serving of meat per day, about 6 oz. or so (some
days more, some less).

While I recognize that being female, part of the class that is currently
following trends toward eating large piles of rice and pasta, and in the
Bay Area, definitely sets me apart from statistical norms -- but still,
a kilo of meat a day sounds absurd for anybody but a farmhand.

Verdant

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>Compromise, eat Ostrich in Mexico.

        I'm not renowned for my compromising prowess but if Manny's *
        will put it in a taco I'll eat it!

Juan

* Manny's motto:  "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Problem"

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JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
>
>         The latest StatAbs* gives the per capita US carnivoring
>         at
>         All red meat -  114.7 lbs
>         Chicken -        48.8 libs
>         Turkey -         14.1

These statistics are hard to believe. That means that on average
everyone is eating more than a half pound of meat or poultry per day.
Given that children surely eat less than that, and that vegetarians eat
none, many people must be eating a pound a day, or more. Is this
possible? I have been known to eat two Whoppers on rare occasions, but
more likely I eat only 4-6 oz. of meat or poultry a day, so someone else
has to add my 2-4 statistical ounces to his/her half pound.

alyce

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You wrote:

>Granted. and here is something about my mixup of Swedish ice
crossings:
>Charels X's army crossed from Jutland to Zealand. (Via some other
islands)
>But some kings later Charles XII planned to send *his* army across the
>sound but then the weather turned mild and the ice broke up. This same
>Charles XII was later killed when he led the attack on a Norwegian
fortress
>town. Over the years it has been hotly debated whether the bullet was
fired
>by a Norwegian or a Swede.
>
>espen
>
My knowledge of Scandanavian history is pretty sketchy (read: almost
non-existent), but this sounds interesting.  I may have to broaden my
reading.

jdh -30-

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You wrote:
>
>At 11:13 11.03.98 -0600, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:
>>
>>Ah, Torkel, Espen just tripped over his runes. Probably bad gefilte
>>fish, you see,
>
>This morning I found a message from someone who has *really* tripped
over
>his runes. Given the supernatural claims he or she must have known
that I
>would quote it on this service so that should be OK. (It seems fitting
that
>it comes from yahoo. - I also wonder what "The House of Evans" is):
>
Snip, snip, snip
>
>espen
>

I knew I had a very sheltered upbringing, but this post makes me think
my shelter must have been on another planet.  Runes and the atomic
value table?  Something must be missing in my education--knowledge
perhaps?

jdh -30-

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>These statistics are hard to believe.

        Alyce, you mean you don't believe the US Government?  8-)

JMW

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JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:

>         Alyce, you mean you don't believe the US Government?  8-)

Only on very rare occasions. This is not one of them.

alyce

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>         The latest StatAbs* gives the per capita US carnivoring
>         at
>         All red meat -  114.7 lbs
>         Chicken -        48.8 libs
>         Turkey -         14.1           (this is all consumed on
>                                          the same day, at one sitting.)
8-)
>
>         That's still a lot, but much less than 120.3 kilos.
> John "Still waiting for ostrich to show up" W.

Does "all red meat" include emu?
ndh
>

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Maybe the 72-oz. steaks served at the Big Texan grill in Amarillo are skewing
the stats.
Or maybe the pilots of the black helicopters are heavy meat eaters.
Or maybe somebody's lying.

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From: "Neal D. Traven" <nhpro.ntraven@SDPS.ORG>
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Subject:      ...which puts me waaaay beyond chopped liver
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
>Subject:      Re: Where is mem?
>
>On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Is he on hiatus?
>
>I was thinking about this last night.  And where are Marie & Sylvia?
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu


Not that being ur-pate' is a <bad> thing.

--
neal traven                     Northeast Health Care Quality Foundation
                             * * * * *
       "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                      -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sick
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>The consumption of animal protein has dropped significantly in the U.S.

Thank you Oprah.

lisa

>Karen
>  karen@wordwrite.com

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Adam:
>Yes. It's animal flesh.

What about bugs?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUKPYGOGYQ94QLHH@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Mar 12,
              98 10:14:21 am

Lisa Alfieri said:
> >The consumption of animal protein has dropped significantly in the U.S.
>
> Thank you Oprah.

ROFL.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: ...which puts me waaaay beyond chopped liver
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In-Reply-To:  <35084EA9.7999@sdps.org> from "Neal D. Traven" at Mar 12,
              98 01:07:53 pm

Neal D. Traven said:
> Not that being ur-pate' is a <bad> thing.

Are you back? To stay?!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Mar 12, 98 12:24:51 pm

Richard Scheidt said:
> Adam:
> >Yes. It's animal flesh.
>
> What about bugs?

Intentional or unintentional?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sick
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> Adam:
> >Yes. It's animal flesh.
>
> What about bugs?
>
> Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

Yup, those too. If it's not plant, it's animal in my book. Period.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
currently using 280908K of virtual memory, and 96% processor time in 28
processes

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Soon to be Single
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Steph and I seem to be at the end of our relationship. She's taking some time
right now to think about whether or not she wants to be with me.

When she does get around to talking to me about how she feels, I'm going
to tell her I'm done. There mere fact that she needs to think about it bugs
the hell out of me. Not to mention the fact that she's been quite rude to
me about wanting some time to herself.

What amazes me is, I'm not all that upset about this. I'm more upset because
she's taking too long to cut me loose! I have no plans to run out and start
dating someone else or anything like that. I'm just done with this relation-
ship.

The odd thing is, dyke break ups are usually filled with drama and
such. I just don't feel like going through all that. She might go
through her own drama but, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to
continue on.

I slept alone for the first time in a long time last night and I liked it. I
didn't miss her and I didn't miss having someone next to me. Previously, when
we spent a night a part, I felt uncomfortable because there wasn't another
body there. Now, I kinda like having the bed to myself. I like not having to
get up earlier so we can both get to work on time. I like not having to shop
for two, cook for two and drive around the city trying to accomodate both
of our schedules.

One of the things I've learned about myself is. I'm pretty good with break
ups. By the time they happen, I'm so ready for them, they're easy. I tend to
be more upset when I like someone and she doesn't want to date me then when
it's time to break up.

I have this odd sense of satifaction. Mostly it come from being proud of this
relationship. I learned a lot about myself through it. I found a new
capacity to love, which I didn't know I had. I also achieved a new level
of self-confidence I didn't know I could reach. Maybe that's why I'm done,
I've learned what I could from this and I don't feel like I'm going to get
anything more out of it.

Well, that's about it, I'm done patting myself on the back. I just felt like
sharing.

lisa

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>Intentional or unintentional?

Well, intent is important only where prohibitions are
concerned (cf. artificial bac-o bits).  I just wanted
to know if Adam had a *line* 'twixt meat and non-meat.

And, most Adam-irably, he does.

I detest shades of gray.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: floreant <floreant@WCLYNX.COM>
Subject:      Re: more than the brogue
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ndh:
> My favorite sign in Ireland was on the curb outside the entrance to
> the Shannon Airport.  It said:
>
> Don't even think about parking here.

i see those signs often in california, usually in private driveways

> I found it interesting that by the time we had been there three
> days, every time Joe said a word with an "r" in it, it came out more
> like "rrrrr". When I heard him say "Foine" for "fine", I figured his
> ancestors had caught up with him. ndh

as did mine.  several people asked me where i married the yank.

re ancestors:  we visited my aunt twice.  on the second visit, she
said that when i'd stepped out of the car the first time, she was
sure her grandmother had come to call.  there are unfortunately no
pictures of the grandmother, so i don't know how true the resemblance
is.

but she did give me several very old, very faded,  photos of my
father and his siblings and parents.  himself took them to a lab
yesterday and we'll see what they can do with them.

and this was the ancestral home.  grandparents moved there in 1914,
as part of a land grant program.  father and most of his siblings
born there.  i'd last seen the place in 1965 and yet found it quite
easily again, much to everyone's amazement.

maureen

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From: Theodora M Groothof <TheodoraGroothof@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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-------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------

Message text written by English Language Discussion Group

"Kiss the grocery, Ben Franklin, and the hardware srore goodbye. Soon
you'll have just one store instead of three.

alyce
"
-------------------- End Original Message --------------------
It's easy for you, Alyce. You can hop in your vehicle and shop wherever y=
ou
want. I have to rely on mailorder, which isn't bad if only the P.O.
delivered packages, which they don't. Not even priority mail :-(
I've come to a point in my life where I quit worrying about everybody els=
e.
All my life I've taken care of someone and where are they now that *I* ne=
ed
help?
I can't wait to be able to go to one store and get what I need. Even if t=
he
quality of some of the items isn't the best, it beats doing without it.
Hugz Theo

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tony:
> I don't think this meant "calm traffic to be expected ahead" or
> "kindly calm yourself" - rather it was probably a warning along the
> lines of "speed bumps ahead".  We have traffic calming measures on
> our street - planters, raised curbs and the like to try to slow
> traffic.

hmm.  we saw these signs on major highways, sometimes as we
approached a town, sometimes not.  i don't remember any speed bumps.
then again, i spent far too much time and energy grabbing for the
nonexistent steering wheel in front of me or clutching the arm rest.
so i could have missed a speed bump or planter.

maureen

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
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At 02:16 PM 03/12/1998 EST, you wrote:

> --Adam
>adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com
>currently using 280908K of virtual memory, and 96% processor time in 28
>processes
>
cool sig line



alec

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From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@LAVA.NET>
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Subject:      The power of the net
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Our resident booksellers may enjoy this one:

http://www3.sjmercury.com/breaking/docs/076836.htm

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sick
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> >currently using 280908K of virtual memory, and 96% processor time in
28
> >processes
> >
> cool sig line
>
> alec

Thanks. In the hour and half since I wrote that original message, my
system has still been chugging away trying to generate a Help file. At
least it hasn't crashed (yet). I'm actually quite amazed that neither
Word or RoboHelp have Dr. Watson'd on me yet.

Oh! Oh! Just crossed the 300 MB mark of used virtual memory. Things don't
get more exciting than this!

Feh.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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In-Reply-To:  <350849D1@aches> from "Hartfield Adam" at Mar 12, 98 03:46:00 pm

Hartfield Adam said:
> Oh! Oh! Just crossed the 300 MB mark of used virtual memory. Things don't
> get more exciting than this!
>
> Feh.

I'm sorry you're sick, Adam. Want to drive my new car?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: floreant <floreant@WCLYNX.COM>
Subject:      power jokes
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power went off this morning.  i called pg&e and they said it would be
restored in about half an hour.  it came on even sooner.

now, the phone just rang and it was a recorded message from pge
telling me that the power had been restored, which actually happened
about an hour ago.

the minute i hung up the phone, the power went again.  weird.

maybe i should call again.

maureen

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From: Alec Plotkin <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU>
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 =91=91We didn=92t inherit the land from our fathers.  We are borrowing i=
t from
our children.=92=92 - Amish belief


later


alec



Alec D. Plotkin
Plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.  We have guided
missiles and misguided men. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sick
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> I'm sorry you're sick, Adam. Want to drive my new car?
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

Ordinarily I'd say yes - I like driving different cars. But because I
feel so rotten, I'm afraid I'll have to decline this time. Thank God for
15-minute commutes - all I want to do is go home and crash.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahaha
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>> Just make sure none of your followers have a hernia.. it's on the "don't"
>> list.

>There are precautions for pregnancy, too.
>Betty

That's right, pregnancy is no laughing matter!

lisa

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: The power of the net
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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> Our resident booksellers may enjoy this one:
>
> http://www3.sjmercury.com/breaking/docs/076836.htm

Yes, it was posted on Biblio this morning. I'm happy for him. And
Shoshana has had very good fortune with the Internet services. I, on the
other hand, am not doing quite as well, having sold just four on-line
since January (although I don't have many books listed yet). And my
prices are well in line or lower than others because I have less
overhead than a lot of people. I still do better by mail.

alyce

--
alyce cresap, books & ephemera
po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
518.537.4727   alybooks@epix.net

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In-Reply-To:  <2A1F504B90@library.syr.edu> from "Paul R. Barfoot" at Mar 11,
              98 04:26:45 pm

Paul R. Barfoot said:
> http://www.indiabuzz.com/laughter/index.htm
>
> I think I'll start a chapter here.

I wonder if there *is* a chapter here. I could definitely go for this.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> Well, that's about it, I'm done patting myself on the back. I just felt like
> sharing.

Sob! Our little girl is ALL GROWN UP!
[blubber]

-aht

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Kenn C. Miller
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Did you see your separate entrance to mem's home page? Are you special or
what?

Betty

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From: "Neal D. Traven" <nhpro.ntraven@SDPS.ORG>
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Subject:      Re: ...which puts me waaaay beyond chopped liver
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> Neal D. Traven said:
> > Not that being ur-pate' is a <bad> thing.
>
> Are you back? To stay?!
>
> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com

I've been <around> all along.  FTP archives rool.

My status has not changed.

(s) Foie Gras

--
neal traven                     Northeast Health Care Quality Foundation
                             * * * * *
       "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                      -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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It's 39 degrees F.


Betty

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Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 12, 98 02:20:47 pm

Betty Clark said:
> It's 39 degrees F.

There???? Hahahaha! Glad I'm not going.:)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>It's 39 degrees F.
>
>Betty

        Approximately half of what's outside my open windows.  Pity.

JMW

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
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Betty Clark said:
> It's 39 degrees F.
>
Wind chill here is minus 26F. And they say the "real cold" is coming
later tonight. This is the coldest day of the winter so far.

alyce

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> It's 39 degrees F.

And is supposed to about 15 degrees F tonight.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: "Heather M. Hewitt" <HHEW1030@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      The Quote
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That quote about "a woman's voice"--I found it, but the citation
reads "unsent letter to Napoleon III  re: Victor Hugo."  What
does "re" mean here?  Surely not "regarding"!?!


heather

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From: Nancy Harwood <ndhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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>now, the phone just rang and it was a recorded message from pge
>telling me that the power had been restored, which actually happened
>about an hour ago.
>
>the minute i hung up the phone, the power went again.  weird.
>
>maybe i should call again.
>>maureen

Just don't answer the phone next time.
ndh

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On 12 Mar 98 at 17:29, Alyce Cresap  wrote:

> > It's 39 degrees F.
> >
> Wind chill here is minus 26F. And they say the "real cold" is coming
> later tonight. This is the coldest day of the winter so far.

Here we had a fairly warm, completely snowless February.  Felt like
spring a few days ago, birds singing, warm rain from time to time,
very pleasant.  Now it's Winter with a capital W.  Weird year.

Tony H.

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > It's 39 degrees F.
>
> And is supposed to about 15 degrees F tonight.

You'll take care of that before spring break, right?

Betty

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > It's 39 degrees F.
>
> There???? Hahahaha! Glad I'm not going.:)

This says a lot about you, Karen. Is it really going to matter how cold it
is outside if we are all inside ggs's room?

Betty

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>>
>> > It's 39 degrees F.
>>
>> And is supposed to about 15 degrees F tonight.
>
>You'll take care of that before spring break, right?
>
>Betty


It's our Spring Break now, and I'm freezing my arse off at work.
*sigh*  Last year this time I was in ***Scotland***.  I think
I might go to Ireland in May, but I might have to sell some eggs
first.  Yeah, there was an article in the school paper about donating
eggs, and I went for the interview and learned that I'd get $1500
for it. Not only do I get cash, but the satisfaction of knowing that
someone at least half as cool as I am will be hanging around somewhere.
Of course it involves injecting myself with all sorts of stuff, so
the decision isn't final yet.

Oh, to answer (Betty?), I never met up with Jim. Gallaudet is lovely,
though.

heather, 19 days of class til graduation
(who's coming to the party? I think it's on May 16th...)

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At 04:30 PM 3/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>>
>> Our resident booksellers may enjoy this one:
>>
>> http://www3.sjmercury.com/breaking/docs/076836.htm
>
>Yes, it was posted on Biblio this morning. I'm happy for him. And
>Shoshana has had very good fortune with the Internet services. I, on the
>other hand, am not doing quite as well, having sold just four on-line
>since January (although I don't have many books listed yet). And my
>prices are well in line or lower than others because I have less
>overhead than a lot of people. I still do better by mail.
>
More telling, however, were the comments on Biblio to the effect that this
person probably was not doing things "right" in his "real" store. I would
tend to agree. Internet bookselling is great, but it shouldn't be the only
thing you do. I do not choose to have an open store, but I do send out hard
copy catalogues, and I do booksearching.

This person most likely will not be successful for long at Internet
selling, unless and until he gets a business plan, an idea of where he is
going, etc.

s

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>On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>> And is supposed to about 15 degrees F tonight.
>
>You'll take care of that before spring break, right?
>Betty

Oh, come on, Betty, think how much fun you'll have huddled together trying
to keep warm.
ndh (guess this means no nude beaches, huh?)

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Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
>
> That quote about "a woman's voice"--I found it, but the citation
> reads "unsent letter to Napoleon III  re: Victor Hugo."  What
> does "re" mean here?  Surely not "regarding"!?!

Surely yes, it's regarding. Why not?

alyce

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> It's 39 degrees F.

It was -7 degrees F here this morning and we have snow on the ground and
I'm on spring break.   Where's spring?
--
Sylvia Edwards
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>Betty Clark wrote:
>>
>> It's 39 degrees F.
Sylvia said:
>It was -7 degrees F here this morning and we have snow on the ground and
>I'm on spring break.   Where's spring?

It's been back in the 50s here, damp and chilly and yucky.  I want our
spring-like weather back.
ndh

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At 07:08 12.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> This is very hard for me to believe. 250 g. of meat per day is in itself
>> very much, even today.
>
>250 grams? It's about 1/2 lb. Split over three meals. I don't think
>that's a lot.
>

If I make my <famous> meatballs which my children really love I use about
one pound of ground meat and it is enough for at least two meals for the
three of us. This means that each one gets less than 100 g at the main meal
of the day, and seen that way 250 g is quite a lot.

espen

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At 08:50 12.03.98 -0700, JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
>>What about monkey heads?
>>
>>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>
>        And let's not forget who leads the world in the
>        comsumption of cod's throats!

Cutting and preparing cod's throats is a well paid extra job for school
children in Northern Norway. Hey, I might go and buy some today! (Cod's
throats, not school children - I have more than enough, especially with one
of them.)

espen

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At 11:03 12.03.98 EST, Hartfield Adam (Lud) wrote:
>> --Adam:
>> >So fish doesn't count as meat? Interesting.
>>
>> Do you count fish as meat?
>>
>> Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu
>
>Yes. It's animal flesh.

But still it is different. Don't the Jewish food rules for instance allow
you to eat fish and drink milk at the same meal?

espen

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At 12:15 12.03.98 -0500, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS wrote:
>>
>>         The latest StatAbs* gives the per capita US carnivoring
>>         at
>>         All red meat -  114.7 lbs
>>         Chicken -        48.8 libs
>>         Turkey -         14.1
>
>These statistics are hard to believe. That means that on average
>everyone is eating more than a half pound of meat or poultry per day.
>Given that children surely eat less than that, and that vegetarians eat
>none, many people must be eating a pound a day, or more. Is this
>possible? I have been known to eat two Whoppers on rare occasions, but
>more likely I eat only 4-6 oz. of meat or poultry a day, so someone else
>has to add my 2-4 statistical ounces to his/her half pound.

I guess these numbers include what is thrown away, given to the dog etc.

espen

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At 22:05 12.03.98 -0500, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
>>
>> That quote about "a woman's voice"--I found it, but the citation
>> reads "unsent letter to Napoleon III  re: Victor Hugo."  What
>> does "re" mean here?  Surely not "regarding"!?!
>
>Surely yes, it's regarding. Why not?

Well, it can be interpreted as "regarding" but since Heather is studying
Latin she can of course see that it comes from "res" (in my foggy morning
brain I don't remember if "re" is dative or ablative or both).

espen
 --
Espen S. Ore
Humanities Information Technologies Centre, University of Bergen
Espen.Ore@hit.uib.no         Tel: +47 55582865 Fax: +47 55589470

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> > And is supposed to about 15 degrees F tonight.
>
> You'll take care of that before spring break, right?

:-)

The forecast calls for 61 degrees on Saturday & high 50s most of next
week, seasonal, in other words.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Sick
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> But still it is different. Don't the Jewish food rules for instance
allow
> you to eat fish and drink milk at the same meal?
>
> espen

As I understand it, kashrut (I think that's the term for Kosher law)
prohibits eating a meat with the milk _of its mother_. This is why
cheeseburgers are not kosher.

Once my system either crashes or finishes generating this help file (yes,
it chugged away all last night too) I'll fire up Internet Exploder and
see what I can find out.

 --Adam
adam.hartfield@dev.artioslink.com

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Over
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Steph and I talked last night. She's not sure she can continue to commit to
the relationship. I'm tired of hearing that. We decided to break up.

We had dinner. She did her home work. I wrote my report. We went to bed.
I told her I would drop her stuff off next week. I left for work.

To tell you the truth, I think she's more upset than I am. As I said
yesterday, I just didn't care anymore.

lisa
who's ready for a change

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From: "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
Organization: Syracuse University Library
Subject:      Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>
> I wonder if there *is* a chapter here. I could definitely go for this.


  Let's start one.  Could we do this virtually? How would we
determine when it's 6-8 am?
 Maybe we shoud write to laugh@bom3.vsnl.net.in and find out.
>

Pasha

> Karen
>   karen@wordwrite.com
>
Paul Barfoot
Special Collections
Bird Library
Syracuse University

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Kosher Fish
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At http://www.koshermall.com/indxreci.html

I found recipes for Creole Fish, made with butter, and Cheese Pizza, made
with anchovies.

Also wonderful sounding recipes for sweet challah & Chinese Barley Salad.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Subject:      Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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In-Reply-To:  <52F3406042@library.syr.edu> from "Paul R. Barfoot" at Mar 13,
              98 09:16:17 am

Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > I wonder if there *is* a chapter here. I could definitely go for this.
>
>   Let's start one.  Could we do this virtually? How would we
> determine when it's 6-8 am?

Compromise at 7 PST?

>  Maybe we shoud write to laugh@bom3.vsnl.net.in and find out.

I was rather tempted. The only think holding me back is that you have
to work through so many vowels when laughing. I'm not sure I can
manage ho, ho--though ha, ha and he, he come naturally.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      kashrut
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>From:    "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
>Subject: Re: Sick
>> But still it is different. Don't the Jewish food rules for instance
>allow
>> you to eat fish and drink milk at the same meal?
>> espen
>
>As I understand it, kashrut (I think that's the term for Kosher law)
>prohibits eating a meat with the milk _of its mother_. This is why
>cheeseburgers are not kosher.
> --Adam

That's what my mother always told me.  The relevant citation in
<uh> Leviticus (I think) is "Thou shalt not seethe a calf in its
mother's milk."

But where does that put chickens?  Chickens don't (the last time
I looked) give milk.  There is no problem in kashrut with eating
eggs along with chicken!  The seder meal always includes meat and
eggs!

love, judith

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- phyllis_petree@unc.edu:
>Also wonderful sounding recipes for sweet challah & Chinese Barley Salad.

Hey!  Wasn't it Purim yesterday?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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espen:
>But still it is different.

Sure.  Religious prohibitions aren't necessarily going to make
the same <sense> to our "modern" minds as they did waybackwhen.

Nevertheless, there are millions of people who will agree with
you that, not only is fish "different", but that it is not meat.

Whales are fish and bats are birds.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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> Date:         Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:09:00 EST
> From: "Hartfield Adam (Lud)" <adam.hartfield@DEV.ARTIOSLINK.COM>
> Subject:      Re: Sick
>
> > But still it is different. Don't the Jewish food rules for instance
> allow
> > you to eat fish and drink milk at the same meal?
> >
> > espen
>
> As I understand it, kashrut (I think that's the term for Kosher law)
> prohibits eating a meat with the milk _of its mother_. This is why
> cheeseburgers are not kosher.

'Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk...'  It goes something
like that.  The only exception is that you're permitted to eat an udder
(can't remove all of the milk).

The Talmudists (or maybe someone else) somehow decided that you could
eat meat three hours after milk, but had to wait six hours after meat to
enjoy milk foods.

Under the rules of kashrut, fish is *not* meat; hence, herring in sour
cream and other such 'delicacies.'  I think it's because 'meat' comes
from beings that have feet -- beyond that requirement, mammals also have
to have cloven hooves and chew their cud to qualify (hence, no pork or
horsemeat).  I know of no special qualifications for fowl.

There are also regs concerning beasts that swim, even if they aren't
meat.  They must have scales, so mollusks and crustaceans are
prohibited.  So too are cetaceans.  So too are sharks.

--
neal traven                     Northeast Health Care Quality Foundation
                             * * * * *
       "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever"
                                      -- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
Organization: Greenery Press
Subject:      Re: Over
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Lisa Alfieri wrote:
>
> Steph and I talked last night. She's not sure she can continue to commit to
> the relationship. I'm tired of hearing that. We decided to break up.

Bummer -- and good luck. Glad to hear you're skipping the Obligatory
Psychodrama. Enjoy your newfound singlehood!

Verdant
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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      what I don't want
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

http://www.gene.com/ae/RC/CT/roach.html

Not only huge, but noisy!

alyce

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Espen!!!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

I replied to your query this morning, and now your server is blocking mail
from me, via Teleport. I don't know if they have blocked Auldbooks.com or
teleport.com -- but I can't write to you. Got one message through a few
days ago.

What the devil is going on? I switched from Netcom. Don't you think perhaps
they are going a little overboard?

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> To tell you the truth, I think she's more upset than I am. As I said
> yesterday, I just didn't care anymore.
> lisa
> who's ready for a change

The awesome power of youth--I envy Lisa's resilience.

I, who should be ready for a change, still care and weep.
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: what I don't want
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

>http://www.gene.com/ae/RC/CT/roach.html
>Not only huge, but noisy!
>alyce

And totally disgusting!

lisa

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Over
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>Bummer -- and good luck. Glad to hear you're skipping the Obligatory
>Psychodrama. Enjoy your newfound singlehood!
>Verdant

No way did I want that. I would have thrown her out of my house if she
had started that shit.

There was this moment when she started crying and wanted to hug and all I
wanted to do was to sit and read my book. I felt like an ass because, I
know she would have preferred me to be a little more upset. I just don't feel
it though.

A friend of mine said she was happy we would remain friends. She can never
understand why people trash each other and hate each other after a break up.
I told her it would be different if Steph had cheated on me or if she had
tried to hit me or something. She's the person I shared my life with since
August and it was a really nice time in my life.

Today I had intended to tell my friends about my break up and I noticed
a trend. Everyone is proud of me (which is ok because I'm proud of myself)
and everyone thinks I've grown up.

This has me thinking about what kind of a person I was before Stephanie. I'm
starting to think I wasn't that great.

lisa

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From: "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS" <WILLIAMS@MC.MARICOPA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Beachfest bound
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Well, the Farkels are going back to Rocky Point in a little over an hour, for
a week of surf-watching, kick-ass Pictionary, beach football, and consuming far
more than 250g of meat a day.  I understand there may be some indulgence in
adult beverages as well.  Don't y'all say anything interesting, okay?

JMW

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Over
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Lisa Alfieri wrote:

> This has me thinking about what kind of a person I was before Stephanie. I'm
> starting to think I wasn't that great.

There was no cause for concern with your list persona.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: gilbertsmith <Gsmith.SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fallingwater fans
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

> Hispanic--->Latino is one of those Oriental--->Asian transitions, I
> think. Latinos of Mexican, Central American and South American ancestry
> point out, with some accuracy, that they are not "Hispanic" -- they have
> nothing in common with Spain but a language.
>
> Verdant
>

It would also be possible to point out, with some accuracy, that they
are not "Latin" -- they have nothing in common with Latin but a
language.  In the language itself, hispanoamericano=latinoamericano,
and I am pretty certain that the terms were invented to distinguish
that part of America colonized/conquered/settled/purloined by the
countries of Hispania, which include not only Spain but Portugal
(hispanoamerica), or to distinguish that part of America in which the
language is derived primarily from Latin.  By that definition, of
course, Quebec could be called part of Latin America, I suppose.

The latino/hispanic sensitivity about terminology puzzles me.
Seems like an indicator of some kind of inferiority complex.  I think
it is correct to assume that this sensitivity is evident only among
people of Latin American descent living in the U.S. and is not
evident in their own countries.  In Central/Southern Mexico, in
Colomiba, in Chile, I imagine that latinoamericano-hispanoamericano
are interchangeable, passion-free terms.  Maybe.
--ggs

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From: "Janet W. Hardy" <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET>
Organization: Greenery Press
Subject:      Re: Over
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> A friend of mine said she was happy we would remain friends. She can never
> understand why people trash each other and hate each other after a break up.
> I told her it would be different if Steph had cheated on me or if she had
> tried to hit me or something. She's the person I shared my life with since
> August and it was a really nice time in my life.

One of the things I like a lot about lesbian culture, or at least the
part of it that I've been involved in, is that this sort of relationship
-- being good friends with your ex -- seems commoner there. Who better
to be friends with than someone who knows you so well?

> This has me thinking about what kind of a person I was before Stephanie. I'm
> starting to think I wasn't that great.

Interesting. What's changed?

Verdant

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      How Weird
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I had something odd happen to me last week and thought I should tell
the list.  I bought a new brand of bird seed for my feeders.  I also
bought a bag of cracked corn to mix with the seed since the birds that
hang out in my yard seem to like corn.

I didn't pay much attention to the writing on the birdseed bag other than
to notice the brand name was "Squirrel-free."

When it came time to fill the feeders (last Thursady), I opened the bag of
Squirrel-free & poured it into a bucket so I could mix in the corn.  I
immediately started coughing & sneezing but didn't think much of it since
the seed had dust in it.  Then I poured in the corn and stuck my left hand
into the bucket to mix up the seed & corn.

By the time I got it all stirred up, my hand was red & itchy.  I
decided it might be a good idea to wash my hands before I filled the
feeders & did so.

My hand continued to itch and later that night I noticed what looked like
hives breaking out on my hand.  By the next morning, I had 5 or 6
blisters & knew something was definately wrong.  I assumed it was an
allergic reaction.

I had already thrown away the Squirrel-free bag so I went back to the
store where I bought it to see what was in there that I could have hurt
me.

That's when I saw the pictures or hot peppers on the bag & read the blurb
that said the seed was coated with hot pepper oil to keep squirrels from
eating the seed - the birds can't taste the oil.  That's also when I saw
the small print warning to avoid contact with eyes & skin.

What I thought were hives & an allergy are apparently burns.

>From bird seed.

This is crazy.  Who thinks to look for instructions & warning labels on
bird seed?  And what condition would my hand have been in if I hadn't
immediately washed it?  And what would this stuff do to a child's skin?

I hope I didn't hurt any squirrels.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> I hope I didn't hurt any squirrels.

I hope so too, and am sorry you got burned. Was the warning label large?
Small? When you bought it, didn't you wonder *why* it was said to be
squirrel-free"? Sounds like one bad product to me!

alyce

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
> >
> > I hope I didn't hurt any squirrels.
>
> I hope so too, and am sorry you got burned. Was the warning label large?
> Small?

Very small - maybe 10 pitch.

When you bought it, didn't you wonder *why* it was said to be
> squirrel-free"? Sounds like one bad product to me!

Not really, I assumed it was one of those "yeah, sure" claims like
needs no ironing & one size fits all.

I keep wondering if I should tell the store about this so they can pull it
off the shelves.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: floreant <floreant@WCLYNX.COM>
Subject:      Re: power jokes
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ndh:
> Just don't answer the phone next time.

good idea.  the power continued to flicker on and off most of the
afternoon.  then, when it finally seemed back to stay and dark
approached, i turned on the kitchen lights.

pop.  a really loud noise from one of the fixtures and a burning
fragment that fell to the floor.  a small fragment, but still glowing
when it hit the floor.  then none of the kitchen lights or the
outdoor lights worked, since they're all on the same circuit.  i left
the circuit off.

himself has quite a chore list now.

maureen

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i saw snoods in several stores.  never saw anyone wearing one, but
the merchants must have had some reason for stocking them.  they were
pretty.

maureen

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From: Jinny Jones <jinjones@CPCUG.ORG>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
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There was an article about research on hot-pepper-treated bird seed in the
latest issue of "Cornell Plantations."  I didn't realize it was already
available commercially.

jinny

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> I keep wondering if I should tell the store about this so they can pull it
> off the shelves.

I think yes, you should tell them. They are liable for harm to people
for what they sell, just as the manufacturer is, I think. Joseph? Is
this true?

alyce

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From: "Joseph D. Harwood" <jdhar@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
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You wrote:
>
>Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>>
>> I keep wondering if I should tell the store about this so they can
pull it
>> off the shelves.
>
>I think yes, you should tell them. They are liable for harm to people
>for what they sell, just as the manufacturer is, I think. Joseph? Is
>this true?
>
>alyce
>
Anyone from the manufacturer through the wholesaler(s) to the retailer
can be liable for placing a harmful product into the stream of
commerce.

>From what Phyllis has said about the rather strong reaction from just
touching the skin, and the small size of the warning, the possibility
for liability looms rather large.  Suppose someone got it in their
eyes, or, heaven forbid, some small child ingested some of the
seed--the chance of a really harmful injury does exist.

The store may shrug it off, Phyllis, but I think you would be doing
them a favor to bring it to their attention.

jdh -30-

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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              Harwood" at Mar 13, 98 05:12:25 pm

Joseph D. Harwood said:
> >From what Phyllis has said about the rather strong reaction from just
> touching the skin, and the small size of the warning, the possibility
> for liability looms rather large.  Suppose someone got it in their
> eyes, or, heaven forbid, some small child ingested some of the
> seed--the chance of a really harmful injury does exist.
>
> The store may shrug it off, Phyllis, but I think you would be doing
> them a favor to bring it to their attention.

The possibility of getting it in your eyes is quite likely. I still
remember one time in graduate school when I made enchiladas, using a
few jalapeno peppers, and then put my contact lenses in. I had washed
my hands, too.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              Mar 13, 98 09:42:56 am

=
= Hey!  Wasn't it Purim yesterday?
=
= Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

Yeah, I just noticed that.  Oy, that is so different from when I was a
kid.  Purim is a cool holiday.  My lasting memory of Purim is that you're
supposed to let loose once in a while.

steph

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jinny Jones wrote:

> There was an article about research on hot-pepper-treated bird seed in the
> latest issue of "Cornell Plantations."  I didn't realize it was already
> available commercially.

What did the article say about the pepper seeds?

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
> >
> > I keep wondering if I should tell the store about this so they can pull it
> > off the shelves.
>
> I think yes, you should tell them. They are liable for harm to people
> for what they sell, just as the manufacturer is, I think. Joseph? Is
> this true?

I'm afraid they wouldn't believe me; I still have the "places" on my
hands, but they aren't very big & aren't oozing anything disgusting.  And
I feel fairly silly about what happened.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Joseph D. Harwood wrote:

> for liability looms rather large.  Suppose someone got it in their
> eyes, or, heaven forbid, some small child ingested some of the
> seed--the chance of a really harmful injury does exist.

This is what has worried me.  My skin is sensitive but not dramatically
so.  I'm very fond of hot peppers in food & can eat them with no
side-effects worse than a runny nose & flushed skin.  So I know this
reaction wasn't because I'm hyper-sensitive to the pepper oil.

> The store may shrug it off, Phyllis, but I think you would be doing
> them a favor to bring it to their attention.

Okay - I'll go in tommorrow.  It's a good excuse to go putter in the
garden shop.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On 12 Mar 98 at 17:39, Heather M. Hewitt wrote:

> That quote about "a woman's voice"--I found it,

How?

Myles

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>I keep wondering if I should tell the store about this so they can pull it
>off the shelves.

I'm thinking it can be a BIG problem if children get at it. The store you
bought it from should at least be made aware.

lisa

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
> You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.

Yeah, well, you still gotta like 'Zona, Braddy!

Betty

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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Heather M. Hewitt wrote:
> heather, 19 days of class til graduation
> (who's coming to the party? I think it's on May 16th...)

Congratulations!  Your birthday and graduation all in one month.

Betty

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From: Lisa Alfieri <LISA@DELPHI.COM>
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>> This has me thinking about what kind of a person I was before Stephanie. I'm
>> starting to think I wasn't that great.

>Interesting. What's changed?

Well, before I started dating Steph I went out a lot. I drank a lot. I told a
lot of wild stories. I also knew a lot of people who did the same things.
People just thought of me as kinda wild and obnoxious and drunk and I was.

When I started dating Steph I stopped doing all this partying. I had wanted to
stop for a while but, I didn't have anything else to do so, she became my
excuse. She would worry that I didn't see my friend enough. I would tell
her that I really didn't feel like hanging out with them because I wasn't
interested in doing the things they like to do.

My best friend is currently very excited that I'm done with Steph. She wants
me to start hanging out again. I don't know if I can do that though.

When I think about how loud and obnoxious I was I cringe. It's like reading a
post to this list and seeing all the mistakes I missed!

lisa

>Verdant

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
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steph:
>Purim is a cool holiday.

I think Bayla is a big fan of Purim, too.

>My lasting memory of Purim is that you're
>supposed to let loose once in a while.

Once in a while, even Yahweh rocks.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
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Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
>
> > Phyllis C. Petree wrote:
> > >
> > > I keep wondering if I should tell the store about this so they can pull it
> > > off the shelves.
> >
> > I think yes, you should tell them. They are liable for harm to people
> > for what they sell, just as the manufacturer is, I think. Joseph? Is
> > this true?
>
> I'm afraid they wouldn't believe me; I still have the "places" on my
> hands, but they aren't very big & aren't oozing anything disgusting.  And
> I feel fairly silly about what happened.

I don't know why you think they wouldn't believe you. Tell them to touch
some themselves if they don't. Further, you may be protecting someone
else--a kind of civic duty. And you shouldn't feel silly because you
weren't properly warned. Go tell 'em.

alyce
alyce

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>What I thought were hives & an allergy are apparently burns.
>From bird seed.
>This is crazy.  Who thinks to look for instructions & warning labels on
>bird seed?  And what condition would my hand have been in if I hadn't
>immediately washed it?  And what would this stuff do to a child's skin?
>I hope I didn't hurt any squirrels.

Definitely an odd story.

I'm going to assume they tested this on squirrels and birds and it's
safe for the squirrels in the respect that it's not going to kill them. Then
again, anything that burns a grown adult as it did to you is a little scarey.

Now I will think twice before I buy/touch birdfood. Which is such a weird
thing to have to say!

lisa
   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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>> You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.
>
>Yeah, well, you still gotta like 'Zona, Braddy!
>
>Betty

 It's only the first round (but what a first round!).  Don't count
 your Ann Borkin Dollars before they are minted, Bett.

 Braddy

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:41:08 -0500 from
              <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>

>> You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.
>
>Once again, I have hopes for an all-ACC Final Four.  And another national
>championship for my Tarheels.
>
>   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
>     UNC-Chapel Hill

 Phyllis, I don't believe that Florida State can hold up in the
 Midwest and make your dream come true (now that Clemson has gone
 down and cost many hobbyists many points in office pools).  As far
 as UNC title hopes are concerned, I can't see much change there:
 still very good.  But the next game, against UNCC, may be their
 stiffest challenge in The East.

 Please note that all five Big Ten teams are still alive.  And that
 only two of five SEC teams live to play again.  What does this teach us?

 Braddy

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What would you prefer (for an MBA) between Case Western University,
accelerated MBA, or Indiana Univ., Bloomington, normal MBA?

Lux

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> Yeah, well, you still gotta like 'Zona, Braddy!

Is Dick Vitale calling any of the games this year? If so, when and what
network?

-aht

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 lux@MAIL.ASANET.IT wrote:

> What would you prefer (for an MBA) between Case Western University,
> accelerated MBA, or Indiana Univ., Bloomington, normal MBA?

I think I'd lean towards the accelerated program, but I don't know how
much I'd enjoy living in Detroit. It is the ugliest city outside of
Paterson, NJ, that I've ever been in. I have this persistent image in my
mind of driving on a Detroit highway towards the Ford headquarters and
repeatedly passing under the rusting exposed steel girders of the
crossroad overpasses and thinking "this is the same thing American auto
designers have to look at each day as they drive to work" and how so many
inexplicable things about the way American cars look and work suddenly
all made sense. I found it oppressive and crowded and dirty. The single
bright spot in the whole experience was a Greek dinner eaten in a
touristy little Greek neighborhood and watching guys park cars in grassy
vacant lots, packing them within inches of one another. However I don't
know if there would be enough bright little moments to sustain you for
the entire period of study of a Master's degree.

-aht

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Schools trouble
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              at Mar 14, 98 01:32:52 am

Anne H Toal said:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 lux@MAIL.ASANET.IT wrote:
> > What would you prefer (for an MBA) between Case Western University,
> > accelerated MBA, or Indiana Univ., Bloomington, normal MBA?
>
> I think I'd lean towards the accelerated program, but I don't know how
> much I'd enjoy living in Detroit.

What on earth does that have to do with either of these choices?  IU
is in Bloomington and Case is in Cleveland, which while it's not
nirvana, is not exactly Detroit. It has an excellent art museum w/ a
huge collection of Buddhist art, for one thing.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> What on earth does that have to do with either of these choices?  IU
> is in Bloomington and Case is in Cleveland, which while it's not
> nirvana, is not exactly Detroit. It has an excellent art museum w/ a
> huge collection of Buddhist art, for one thing.

Are you sure it's not in Detroit? What's in Detroit?

-aht

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              at Mar 14, 98 01:46:45 am

Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > What on earth does that have to do with either of these choices?  IU
> > is in Bloomington and Case is in Cleveland, which while it's not
> > nirvana, is not exactly Detroit. It has an excellent art museum w/ a
> > huge collection of Buddhist art, for one thing.
>
> Are you sure it's not in Detroit?

Of course.

> What's in Detroit?

About 15 other schools. You can find this all out on the web.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> About 15 other schools. You can find this all out on the web.

One school in particular. Used to be a big Bitnet node. This will eat at
me until I remember it. Funny name. On a crossroads of two big roads on
the way out to Ann Arbor. Near old downtown airport. In Detroit.

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > About 15 other schools. You can find this all out on the web.
>
> One school in particular. Used to be a big Bitnet node. This will eat at
> me until I remember it. Funny name. On a crossroads of two big roads on
> the way out to Ann Arbor. Near old downtown airport. In Detroit.

I have no idea, and I am going to sleep. What are you doing up at 2AM?!

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> I have no idea, and I am going to sleep. What are you doing up at 2AM?!

Hey, baby, it's the freakin' weekend! We party!

-aht

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > I have no idea, and I am going to sleep. What are you doing up at 2AM?!
>
> Hey, baby, it's the freakin' weekend! We party!

Then what are you doing online????

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
Subject:      My version of having a life
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Today was my Friday off from work (this was part of a tradeoff for my
working this weekend).  Originally, I had planned to just hang around the
apartment and clean up--and God knows this place needs cleaned--but it was
a beautiful day and I felt like going somewhere and doing something.  So I
got my camera, some extra film, and a bunch of maps, and put them in the
car, and headed north.  (As usual, it was not until a bit after noon when I
left the house--a typical half-assed late start.)

Somewhere between the Stanford Linear Accelerator and the beehive house in
Woodside, I decided that Point Reyes (which is, as far as I know, the only
National Seashore on the Pacific) would be both doable and enjoyable.
Shortly after my decision--how diegetic it would have been had this
happened a little earlier!--the radio station I was listening to played a
flashback song called "Destination Unknown".

Somewhere around Mill Valley, I did a giant "d'oh!" as I realized that
Point Reyes is within easy driving distance of Sebastopol.  And me with my
cell phone out of commission...

Driving through Stinson Beach, I had a little WLM as I saw a street named
Calle Del Mar and though, "No, that should be Pollo Del Mar".

At the Point Reyes Visitors Center (why is there no genitive apostrophe in
"Visitors"?), I found a pay phone and, having found Maureen's phone number,
gave her a call.  Alas, she and himself already had plans for that evening,
but, over the interruptions of an automaton who kept asking me for for a
quarter every three minutes, we discussed the possibility of a future
social engagement, the fact that the weather was absolutely gorgeous, and
the question of whether or not BBQ oysters, which apparently are popular
locally, are a good thing or not.

I then took the Earthquake Trail, which sort of disappointed me because
none of the informational signs told me anything I didn't already know.
However, it was really cool to straddle the line where the earth moved
sixteen feet in 1906, and there was also a neat map of the Bay Area geology
in terms of the bedrock-to-mud-and-landfill spectrum of stability.

Next, I took the road that goes close to the north end of the Point Reyes
peninsula and, quite by accident (I initially thought I was taking the
trail to the nearest beach) I went for a good three or four miles further
north.  I took some standard California seashore pictures--long distance,
of waves breaking against cliffs--but while I saw many beautiful views,
there weren't many pictures--that is, much of what I saw, I could not
capture with a camera.  Then I wandered up into the Tule Elk preserve.
Espen, I do not know what kind of _alces_ these are.  But one of the people
I met on the trail described them as "deer on steroids".

I took lots of elk pictures.  I also took a few bird pictures--I can't tell
birds apart to save my life, but there were some--I would guess hawks of
some sort?--that were hovering, and following the countours of the hill, in
a breathtakingly beautiful fashion.  As the sun edged toward the horizon,
the light became almost mystical, and I began to regret having bought only
one extra roll of film instead of two.  I saved my last three shots to try
to capture the sunset, which was partially occluded by clouds and thus had
vivid pink overtones.

Returning to the mainland (and crossing the San Andreas fault in the
process), I stopped in the town of Olema for dinner.  I went to the place
that advertised BBQ oysters; it turned out to be one of those places that
tries to be chi-chi but doesn't quite manage to pull it off.  I tried a BBQ
oyster.  It wasn't bad, but the BBQ sauce completely drowned out the taste
of the oyster.

As I headed home, the full moon rose as I skirted around the Bolinas
Lagoon.  It was a magical moment.

Ken Miller
WHTM Department
Bernard Chien Perro Institute for Words-L  Studies

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From: Torkel Franzen <torkel@SICS.SE>
Subject:      Re: My version of having a life
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
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  Bookrat says:

  >Espen, I do not know what kind of _alces_ these are.  But one of the people
  >I met on the trail described them as "deer on steroids".

  They were Alces americana. You have to come to these parts to encounter
Alces alces, their smaller cousins.

  >As I headed home, the full moon rose as I skirted around the Bolinas
  >Lagoon.  It was a magical moment.

  I think this version of having life sounds great.

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Sick
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At 09:45 13.03.98 -0600, Richard Scheidt wrote:
>espen:
>>But still it is different.
>
>Sure.  Religious prohibitions aren't necessarily going to make
>the same <sense> to our "modern" minds as they did waybackwhen.
>
>Nevertheless, there are millions of people who will agree with
>you that, not only is fish "different", but that it is not meat.
>
>Whales are fish and bats are birds.

Those of you who habitually read AS Runic texts will of course remember
from Frank's casket: fisc.flodu ahof

espen

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As you can see from the full headers below you are still going through
ix.netcom which has for a long time been a spammer's heaven. But I am
sending a copy of this to our local sysadm and hope that he can make it
possible for me to receive mail from you.

espen

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>Subject:      Espen!!!
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>
>I replied to your query this morning, and now your server is blocking mail
>from me, via Teleport. I don't know if they have blocked Auldbooks.com or
>teleport.com -- but I can't write to you. Got one message through a few
>days ago.
>
>What the devil is going on? I switched from Netcom. Don't you think perhaps
>they are going a little overboard?
>
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From: Roy Jaques <rjaques@HETNET.NL>
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>What would you prefer (for an MBA) between Case Western University,
>accelerated MBA, or Indiana Univ., Bloomington, normal MBA?

Neither,  try INSEAD or Erasmus (Rotterdam)

>Lux

Roy

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: My version of having a life
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At 09:51 14.03.98 +0100, Torkel Franzen wrote:
>  Bookrat says:
>
>  >Espen, I do not know what kind of _alces_ these are.  But one of the
people
>  >I met on the trail described them as "deer on steroids".
>
>  They were Alces americana. You have to come to these parts to encounter
>Alces alces, their smaller cousins.
>

They may also have been the animals that the USers call elks.

>  >As I headed home, the full moon rose as I skirted around the Bolinas
>  >Lagoon.  It was a magical moment.
>
>  I think this version of having life sounds great.

Especially the oysters.

espen

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PS What was your replky to me?

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Some fun, too
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I am in my office but I brought my pocket TV so I can watch the 50
kilometre in Holmenkollen. Tomorrow is the biggest day of them all: the ski
jump in Holmenkollen. (Wish I were back in Oslo - my mother lives within
walking distance from the ski jump.)

This morning on the bus I was reminded of my train ride from new Haven to
New York after Emily had given me a ride from Providence. There someone
entered the train in full Polo costume. I thought it a bit corny and
snobbish then but this morning people kept coming into the bus with full
equipment for mountain-cross-country-skiing. Mutantur loci hominesque in
illis.

espen

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At 11:08 AM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>As you can see from the full headers below you are still going through
>ix.netcom which has for a long time been a spammer's heaven. But I am
>sending a copy of this to our local sysadm and hope that he can make it
>possible for me to receive mail from you.
>
Well this is bloody strange!  I don't have the ix.netcom.com account
anymore. It is closed, finished, kaput!  I do not have the slightest idea
how it got in that heading. Perhaps one of the mightily knowledgeable ones
on this "service" can help explain this. I see the breebook@teleport.com
which is my ISP connection. I also see the breebook@ix.netcom.com which
used to be my ISP connection but has not been for two weeks.  What the heck?

>espen
>
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>>From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
>>Subject:      Espen!!!
>>To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
>>
>>I replied to your query this morning, and now your server is blocking mail
>>from me, via Teleport. I don't know if they have blocked Auldbooks.com or
>>teleport.com -- but I can't write to you. Got one message through a few
>>days ago.
>>
>>What the devil is going on? I switched from Netcom. Don't you think perhaps
>>they are going a little overboard?
>>
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>>
>>
>
>

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At 11:25 AM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>PS What was your replky to me?
>
it was yes, but I need the Anglicized version of the author's name.

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Email hell
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              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 14, 98 07:04:32 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> Well this is bloody strange!  I don't have the ix.netcom.com account
> anymore. It is closed, finished, kaput!

Did you change all your software? That's what it looks like to me,
that you are only going through teleport, but that at some point you
are identifying teleport as netcom.

> >>Received: from breebook.ix.netcom.com (pdx58-i48-02.teleport.com
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Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Espen!!!
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At 07:05 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>At 11:25 AM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>PS What was your replky to me?
>>
>it was yes, but I need the Anglicized version of the author's name.

You mean the editor, Einar Haugen, and he was a US citizen.

espen

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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At 07:03 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Shoshana Edwards said:
>> Well this is bloody strange!  I don't have the ix.netcom.com account
>> anymore. It is closed, finished, kaput!
>
>Did you change all your software? That's what it looks like to me,
>that you are only going through teleport, but that at some point you
>are identifying teleport as netcom.
>
I thought about that. I went through everything in Eudora, and it is all
changed. Perhaps I should unsub from words-l and sub again? can you send me
the complete headers on this one when you get it? Because I noted on the
one from Espen that the netcom didn't get put in until it had fed through
ooga cooga.  Maybe that's where the hang up is?  But that wouldn't explain
why our private correspondence got it would it?

Is there somewhere in my network dial up I should change that I don't know
about?  This is confusing.

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Subject:      Re: Espen!!!
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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314162049.007df100@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Mar 14, 98 04:20:49 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> You mean the editor, Einar Haugen, and he was a US citizen.

I know Einar Haugen! Not know, but I've read some of his stuff. A logn
time ago.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Espen!!!
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At 04:20 PM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>At 07:05 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>>At 11:25 AM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>>PS What was your replky to me?
>>>
>>it was yes, but I need the Anglicized version of the author's name.
>
>You mean the editor, Einar Haugen, and he was a US citizen.
>
Uh, no.  I didn't save the request because I thought we would be
corresponding more. So I guess what I thought was author at the beginning
of your request was part of the title?  (red, embarrassed face peering at
screen)

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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314072650.007e19c0@mail.teleport.com> from
              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 14, 98 07:26:50 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> I thought about that. I went through everything in Eudora, and it is all
> changed.

What about your dialing software?

> Perhaps I should unsub from words-l and sub again?

But that doesn't affect direct mail to Espen.

> the complete headers on this one when you get it? Because I noted on the
> one from Espen that the netcom didn't get put in until it had fed through
> ooga cooga.

Are you sure? I thought it was the very first header.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:

> which is my ISP connection. I also see the breebook@ix.netcom.com which
> used to be my ISP connection but has not been for two weeks.  What the heck?

Fix your smtp settings--

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Ski jumping!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314162049.007df100@nora.hd.uib.no>

I just heard on TV that a group plans a new <large> ski jump in Oslo which
should be large enough for jumps up to 230 metres! They plan to build it
where there was a slalom slope that was used in the 1952 Olympics (this is
the slope which was used by my sports club for training and competitions
when I was active). This really is within walking distance not only of my
mother's house but also of the family berry- and mushroom-places.

espen

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Email hell
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In-Reply-To:  <199803141526.HAA05364@ring.vpop.net>

At 09:26 AM 3/14/98 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>
>> which is my ISP connection. I also see the breebook@ix.netcom.com which
>> used to be my ISP connection but has not been for two weeks.  What the
heck?
>
>Fix your smtp settings--
>
I did. At least in Eudora. I'm hanging on the other line right now waiting
for tech support from Teleport. It's probably somewhere in my dial up and I
don't know where it's hiding. Dnag, I hate this!

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From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 14 08:30:32 1998
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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ski jumping!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314162939.007e1a10@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Mar 14, 98 04:29:39 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> I just heard on TV that a group plans a new <large> ski jump in Oslo which
> should be large enough for jumps up to 230 metres! They plan to build it
> where there was a slalom slope that was used in the 1952 Olympics (this is
> the slope which was used by my sports club for training and competitions
> when I was active). This really is within walking distance not only of my
> mother's house but also of the family berry- and mushroom-places.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 14 08:30:34 1998
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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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At 07:30 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>Uh, no.  I didn't save the request because I thought we would be
>corresponding more. So I guess what I thought was author at the beginning
>of your request was part of the title?  (red, embarrassed face peering at
>screen)

Indeed it was (in old Icelandic). Here is the full reference again:

Norr=E6n staffr=E6=F0i. 1 First grammatical treatise : the earliest Germanic
phonology : an edition, translation and
commentary / Einar Haugen. - 2nd rev. ed.=20
  =20
  Published:
       London : Longman, 1972.=20
 pages:
       IX, 83 s., pl. : facs.=20
  ISBN:
       0-582-52491-1=20

espen

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Subject:      Re: Email hell
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At 07:26 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>the complete headers on this one when you get it? Because I noted on the
>one from Espen that the netcom didn't get put in until it had fed through
>ooga cooga.  Maybe that's where the hang up is?  But that wouldn't explain

No, it is put in *before* it comes to ooga ooga:

>Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (192.108.254.11) by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM
>          SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 14 Mar 98 10:28:54 EST
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>          [204.202.167.30]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id
>          HAA15069 for <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:30:09
>          -0800 (PST)
>

espen

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Ski jumping!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199803141530.AA27737@waltz.rahul.net>

At 07:30 14.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> I just heard on TV that a group plans a new <large> ski jump in Oslo which
>> should be large enough for jumps up to 230 metres! They plan to build it
>> where there was a slalom slope that was used in the 1952 Olympics (this is
>> the slope which was used by my sports club for training and competitions
>> when I was active). This really is within walking distance not only of my
>> mother's house but also of the family berry- and mushroom-places.
>
>Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

All together? Probably a good thing, but I am curious as to how people
should get there. It might mean building roads where there is now forest,
and that is not a good thing.

espen

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ski jumping!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314163637.007e5a70@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Mar 14, 98 04:36:37 pm

Espen S. Ore said:
> All together? Probably a good thing, but I am curious as to how people
> should get there. It might mean building roads where there is now forest,
> and that is not a good thing.

I was wondering, because you seemed very excited, but it does
automatically mean more development.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Email hell
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In-Reply-To:  <199803141532.HAA05773@ring.vpop.net>

At 04:35 PM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>At 07:26 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>>the complete headers on this one when you get it? Because I noted on the
>>one from Espen that the netcom didn't get put in until it had fed through
>>ooga cooga.  Maybe that's where the hang up is?  But that wouldn't explain
>
>No, it is put in *before* it comes to ooga ooga:
>
>>Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (192.108.254.11) by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM
>>          SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 14 Mar 98 10:28:54 EST
>>Received: from breebook.ix.netcom.com (pdx56-i48-16.teleport.com
>>          [204.202.167.30]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id
>>          HAA15069 for <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:30:09
>>          -0800 (PST)
>>
>
now I'm completely confused.  Doesn't the first "received" say from
teleport by uga.cc.uga? and the second "received" has the ix.netcom.com?

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In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314074408.008036a0@mail.teleport.com> from
              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 14, 98 07:44:08 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> At 04:35 PM 3/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
> >At 07:26 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
> >>the complete headers on this one when you get it? Because I noted on the
> >>one from Espen that the netcom didn't get put in until it had fed through
> >>ooga cooga.  Maybe that's where the hang up is?  But that wouldn't explain
> >
> >No, it is put in *before* it comes to ooga ooga:
> >
> >>Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (192.108.254.11) by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM
> >>          SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 14 Mar 98 10:28:54 EST
> >>Received: from breebook.ix.netcom.com (pdx56-i48-16.teleport.com
> >>          [204.202.167.30]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id
> >>          HAA15069 for <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:30:09
> >>          -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >
> now I'm completely confused.  Doesn't the first "received" say from
> teleport by uga.cc.uga? and the second "received" has the ix.netcom.com?

You're reading them forwards instead of backwards. Closest to the body
of the mail is the first header.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:21:10 -0600 from <bwp@NETCOM.COM>

>Is Dick Vitale calling any of the games this year? If so, when and what
>network?
>
>-aht

 You can catch Vitale on SportsCenter -- a panel with Clark Kellogg,
 Digger Phelps, and the anchor, I forget his name (Chris something).
 Entertaining banter from ESPN, good for after-battle reports.

 brad

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Email hell
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At 07:44 14.03.98 -0800, Shoshana Edwards wrote:
>>>Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (192.108.254.11) by uga.cc.uga.edu
(IBM VM
>>>          SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 14 Mar 98 10:28:54 EST
>>>Received: from breebook.ix.netcom.com (pdx56-i48-16.teleport.com
>>>          [204.202.167.30]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with
SMTP id
>>>          HAA15069 for <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:30:09
>>>          -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>
>now I'm completely confused.  Doesn't the first "received" say from
>teleport by uga.cc.uga? and the second "received" has the ix.netcom.com?

Eh, no. The one on the top is later in the chain than the one on the bottom.

espen

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:41:05 EST from
              <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

> You can catch Vitale on SportsCenter -- a panel with Clark Kellogg,
> Digger Phelps, and the anchor, I forget his name (Chris something).
> Entertaining banter from ESPN, good for after-battle reports.
>
> brad

 I correct myself: Clark Kellogg is on CBS with Dean Smith and Gumbel.
 Quinn Buckner is on SportsCenter with Digger and Dick.

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
Subject:      Re: Ski jumping!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199803141535.AA27981@waltz.rahul.net>

At 07:35 14.03.98 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Espen S. Ore said:
>> All together? Probably a good thing, but I am curious as to how people
>> should get there. It might mean building roads where there is now forest,
>> and that is not a good thing.
>
>I was wondering, because you seemed very excited, but it does
>automatically mean more development.

Indeed I was very exited - to be able to walk or even ski to the world's
largest ski jump is something. But I don't want a new road up from the
valley. I jumped on the project for a new edition of Ibsen some days ago -
I hope to be the IT-responsible there - and then found that since I had
just sold my soul to the project leader I might as well buy and reread
Faust. So I may say with him (quoted from memory): Zwei Seelen wohnen, ach,
in meinem Brust.

espen

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      found it!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

It took getting off line, and rebooting the computer.  Turns out the DNS
setting in networking was for Netcom. Things should be hunky dory now. (Is
that a non-PC phrase?)

Sho

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: found it!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314080425.007d2560@mail.teleport.com> from
              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 14, 98 08:04:25 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> It took getting off line, and rebooting the computer.  Turns out the DNS
> setting in networking was for Netcom.

So you renamed it to morgan?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 14 09:03:19 1998
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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Well, Espen, as you can see there ain't a netcom anywhere in this header.
But it got bounced anyway. It would seem your folks there are finding spam
under everyone's bed.

>X-From_: auldbook@ring.vpop.net  Sat Mar 14 08:01:00 1998
>Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:00:47 -0800 (PST)
>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@teleport.com>
>Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
>To: <bree@auldbooks.com>
>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
>
>The original message was received at Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:00:41 -0800 (PST)
>from pdx58-i48-31.teleport.com [204.202.167.173]
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
><Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>... while talking to nora.hit.uib.no.:
>>>> MAIL From:<bree@auldbooks.com> SIZE=545
><<< 550 <bree@auldbooks.com>... Mail refused, stop spamming us
>554 <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>... Service unavailable
>Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp2.teleport.com
>Received-From-MTA: DNS; pdx58-i48-31.teleport.com
>Arrival-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:00:41 -0800 (PST)
>
>Final-Recipient: RFC822; Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.0.0
>Remote-MTA: DNS; nora.hit.uib.no
>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <bree@auldbooks.com>... Mail refused, stop
spamming us
>Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:00:47 -0800 (PST)
>Return-Path: bree@auldbooks.com
>Received: from morgan (pdx58-i48-31.teleport.com [204.202.167.173]) by
smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23966 for
<Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:00:41 -0800 (PST)
>Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980314080658.007d6500@mail.teleport.com>
>X-Sender: breebook@mail.teleport.com
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32)
>Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:06:58 -0800
>To: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
>From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@auldbooks.com>
>Subject: this should get there
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I do hope this gets there. It should. I found netcom lurking in my DNS
>config file and removed all references. The last message I sent dinna have
>netcom anywhere in its header so this should get to you.
>
>****************************************************
>Books From Bree
>503-643-7577; 503-644-7218; fax: 503-641-2701
>Bree@auldbooks.com - http://www.auldbooks.com/bree/
>7795 SW Hall Boulevard; Beaverton, OR 97008
>****************************************************
>

****************************************************
Books From Bree
503-643-7577; 503-644-7218; fax: 503-641-2701
Bree@auldbooks.com - http://www.auldbooks.com/bree/
7795 SW Hall Boulevard; Beaverton, OR 97008
****************************************************

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
Subject:      Re: found it!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <199803141601.IAA08066@ring.vpop.net>

At 08:01 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Shoshana Edwards said:
>> It took getting off line, and rebooting the computer.  Turns out the DNS
>> setting in networking was for Netcom.
>
>So you renamed it to morgan?
>
no. I don't know where the Morgan part comes in. His computer says
Shoshana.

****************************************************
Books From Bree
503-643-7577; 503-644-7218; fax: 503-641-2701
Bree@auldbooks.com - http://www.auldbooks.com/bree/
7795 SW Hall Boulevard; Beaverton, OR 97008
****************************************************

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 14 09:29:12 1998
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From: steph <steph@NEWTON.XS4ALL.NL>
Subject:      Re: Espen!!!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314110846.00954100@nora.hd.uib.no> from "Espen S.
              Ore" at Mar 14, 98 11:08:46 am

= >          with BSMTP id 0090; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:16:12 -0500
= >Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (192.108.254.11) by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM
= >          SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 13 Mar 98 12:16:10 EST
= >Received: from breebook.ix.netcom.com (pdx58-i48-02.teleport.com
= >          [204.202.167.144]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id
= >          JAA21128 for <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:17:23
= >          -0800 (PST)

Um, maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like she hasn't changed her
outgoing address in Eudora, not that her mail is going through netcom
instead of teleport.

steph

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Schools trouble
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Anne H Toal wrote:
> ...I don't know how
> much I'd enjoy living in Detroit. It is the ugliest city outside of
> Paterson, NJ, that I've ever been in.

I haven't been to Detroit in 30+ years, but last week on Biblio there
was a discussion about it, and it seems there has been something of a
renaissance there, with some life coming back to the downtown and many
cultural events, etc. Perhaps a visit there before making a decision
would be good. And "Greek Town" still gets very high marks, according to
the Biblians.

alyce

From owner-words-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Mar 14 09:55:31 1998
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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Schools trouble
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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> Funny name. On a crossroads of two big roads on
> the way out to Ann Arbor. Near old downtown airport. In Detroit.

Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.

alyce

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
Subject:      Re: found it!
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
In-Reply-To:  <3.0.5.32.19980314081210.007d22c0@mail.teleport.com> from
              "Shoshana Edwards" at Mar 14, 98 08:12:10 am

Shoshana Edwards said:
> At 08:01 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Shoshana Edwards said:
> >> It took getting off line, and rebooting the computer.  Turns out the DNS
> >> setting in networking was for Netcom.
> >
> >So you renamed it to morgan?
> >
> no. I don't know where the Morgan part comes in. His computer says
> Shoshana.

I think it should say 'teleport' in order not to cause problems later.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <350AB561.C522BB0F@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 14,
              98 11:50:41 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> Anne H Toal wrote:
> > ...I don't know how
> > much I'd enjoy living in Detroit. It is the ugliest city outside of
> > Paterson, NJ, that I've ever been in.
>
> I haven't been to Detroit in 30+ years, but last week on Biblio there
> was a discussion about it, and it seems there has been something of a
> renaissance there, with some life coming back to the downtown and many
> cultural events, etc. Perhaps a visit there before making a decision
> would be good. And "Greek Town" still gets very high marks, according to
> the Biblians.

BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE CASE WESTERN IS IN CLEVELAND.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <350AB5C1.C359C8A0@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 14,
              98 11:52:17 am

Alyce Cresap said:
> > Funny name. On a crossroads of two big roads on
> > the way out to Ann Arbor. Near old downtown airport. In Detroit.
>
> Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.

Wayne State University. But it's not a funny name.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Shoshana Edwards wrote:

> I did. At least in Eudora. I'm hanging on the other line right now waiting
> for tech support from Teleport. It's probably somewhere in my dial up and I
> don't know where it's hiding. Dnag, I hate this!

Submit your mial headers to Bookrat for dissection. The man may not be
able to wake up before noon, but he knows mail headers like nobody's
business.

-aht

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

>  You can catch Vitale on SportsCenter -- a panel with Clark Kellogg,
>  Digger Phelps, and the anchor, I forget his name (Chris something).
>  Entertaining banter from ESPN, good for after-battle reports.

I shall delete everything but ESPN from my tuner immediately.

-aht

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.

That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.

-aht

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Yeah, well, you still gotta like 'Zona, Braddy!
>
> Is Dick Vitale calling any of the games this year? If so, when and what
> network?

Baby, I hate Dick Vitale.

Betty

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-aht:
>Are you sure it's not in Detroit? What's in Detroit?

A hell of a hockey team /
And a left-handed way of making a man /
Sign up for that automotive dream.

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE CASE WESTERN IS IN CLEVELAND.

I know this, but I typed it before thinking it through. Because I'm
stupid. OK? Doesn't change the fact that Detroit is better than it used
to be, though.
alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Wayne State University. But it's not a funny name.

Maybe it's funny to aht. Who can know what's in her mind?

alyce

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Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.

OK. Now tell Karen why you think Wayne is a funny name, please.

alyce

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
> > Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.
>
> That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.

Why is this a funny name?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Anne H Toal said:
> > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
> > > Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.
> >
> > That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> > words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.
>
> Why is this a funny name?

I just look at it and start laughing.

Betty

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Why is this a funny name?

Because it sounds like where Dick Grayson would go to college.

-aht

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> Maybe it's funny to aht. Who can know what's in her mind?

Nobody knows but Jesus.

-aht

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In-Reply-To:  <350ABB22.22126014@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 14,
              98 12:15:14 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Doesn't change the fact that Detroit is better than it used
> to be, though.

But it was better still before that. It really wasn't bad growing up;
I never got used to the post-1967 unniceness. (I had moved away by
then.)

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              from "Betty Clark" at Mar 14, 98 09:28:18 am

Betty Clark said:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Anne H Toal said:
> > > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
> > > > Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.
> > >
> > > That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> > > words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.
> >
> > Why is this a funny name?
>
> I just look at it and start laughing.

Yeah, but you're senile so you don't count. Are you packed yet?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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              at Mar 14, 98 11:55:44 am

Anne H Toal said:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why is this a funny name?
>
> Because it sounds like where Dick Grayson would go to college.

Who's Dick Grayson and why is that funny?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <350ABB56.E745568C@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 14,
              98 12:16:06 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Maybe it's funny to aht. Who can know what's in her mind?

Not me, that's true.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUNKO2GH0I936V5W@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> from "Richard Scheidt" at
              Mar 14, 98 11:14:26 am

Richard Scheidt said:
> -aht:
> >Are you sure it's not in Detroit? What's in Detroit?
>
> A hell of a hockey team /

This is one of my big childhood memories. I used to watch curling on
TV, too.

> And a left-handed way of making a man /

???

> Sign up for that automotive dream.

Why do you think I own a Honda?

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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In-Reply-To:  <01IUMB0NBBCY94RBVA@delphi.com> from "Lisa Alfieri" at Mar 13,
              98 03:01:37 pm

Lisa Alfieri said:
> When I think about how loud and obnoxious I was I cringe. It's like
> reading a post to this list and seeing all the mistakes I missed!

Don't dwell on it.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Who's Dick Grayson and why is that funny?

See if you can find it on the web.

-aht

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In-Reply-To:  <350ABBA1.D357EBCB@epix.net> from "Alyce Cresap" at Mar 14,
              98 12:17:21 pm

Alyce Cresap said:
> Anne H Toal wrote:
> > That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> > words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.
>
> OK. Now tell Karen why you think Wayne is a funny name, please.

She did. I didn't understand.

I'm listening to an NPR program about My Lai. Very disturbing.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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Anne H Toal said:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Who's Dick Grayson and why is that funny?
>
> See if you can find it on the web.

Nah, I have better things to do today.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
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Tarheels over the 49ers in overtime.  A classic game.  UNC is the team
to beat in this field.  Phyllis, are you recovered yet?

brad

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From: Sylvia Edwards <s.words@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Shoshana Edwards wrote

>
> Is there somewhere in my network dial up I should change that I don't know
> about?  This is confusing.
>

Did you check both preference boxes in Eudora? The Reply to box needs to
be changed on the second set.
--
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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      A late-nineties housewife
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

When Graham moved over here, he had never lived in a house where there
was a dishwasher. He, echoing my grandmother thirty years ago, was
convinced it could not get the dishes really clean. Then, pretty soon
after he arrived, my mother died, which left me an emotional cripple for
the next year or so.

During that time, I could not cope with trying to convince him that the
dishwasher really could produce clean plates and glasses and just started
washing everything by hand. At first I was exasperated at how I had
acceded to what I considered ridiculous demands, but gradually I came to
like the ritual of it: the warm sudsy water, the various effects different
detergent liquids produced, the white clean towels with little wet ring
marks patterning the surface, the dishes drying in the rack. It was always
essentially the same, yet there were infinite subtle variations within the
sameness. Doing the dishes every night after dinner started to have a
comforting influence on me, just when the daily evening wave of despair
and hopelessness was rising and threatening to throw me over the edge.

After a time I came to rely on the dishes as some sort of mental crutch
for getting through difficult moments. Thanksgiving of 1995, one year and
a few days after Mother's death, I did the dishes no fewer than three
times, and I was grateful I had them to do. While I was washing dishes, I
had control of the situation. That little basin of warm sudsy water, at
least that wasn't going to go anywhere before I was ready.

In the intervening months, the dishwashing machine stopped working, and
then its tub filled with water which turned cloudy and began to stink.
Later the water turned red, then brown, then black. I was faced with the
choice between getting rid of the washer and figuring out how to cover
over the hole where it was installed, or buying a new machine.

I wasn't aware until this week that I had been using the act of washing
dishes to fight off the depression of grief. However I did know that
lately, handwashing the dishes was really starting to irritate me. Then it
hit me: I had been avoiding purchasing a new dishwashing machine because
something in me was still afraid that everything would crumble back into
blackness if I gave up the ritual.

Right now the new dishwashing machine is churning away in the kitchen,
making Anne-doesn't-have-to-wash-the-dishes-anymore noises, and I have
stopped brooding over any foolishness about plunging into the abyss. It
is a happy sound, it reminds me of my mother. Graham is adjusting.

And that's about all I have to say on the subject.

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Anne H Toal wrote:
> Right now the new dishwashing machine is churning away in the kitchen,
> making Anne-doesn't-have-to-wash-the-dishes-anymore noises, and I have
> stopped brooding over any foolishness about plunging into the abyss. It
> is a happy sound, it reminds me of my mother. Graham is adjusting.
>
> And that's about all I have to say on the subject.

Thanks. A ray of hope.
--
Sylvia Edwards
s.words@mindspring.com
sedwards@kcmetro.cc.mo.us

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On 14 Mar 98 at 14:52, Anne H Toal wrote:

> Right now the new dishwashing machine is churning away in the kitchen,
> making Anne-doesn't-have-to-wash-the-dishes-anymore noises, and I have
> stopped brooding over any foolishness about plunging into the abyss. It
> is a happy sound, it reminds me of my mother. Graham is adjusting.


Nice piece, bud.

Myles

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Anne said:
>And that's about all I have to say on the subject.

And you said it so well!
ndh

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
> > You have to like UNC and 'Zona coming out of the East and West.
>
> Yeah, well, you still gotta like 'Zona, Braddy!

Hey, wait a minute...

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu
     UNC-Chapel Hill

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How Weird
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:

> I don't know why you think they wouldn't believe you. Tell them to touch
> some themselves if they don't.

I hadn't thought about this approach.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:

> Betty Clark said:
> > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Anne H Toal said:
> > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Alyce Cresap wrote:
> > > > > Was it Wayne? Haven't looked it up, but seems to me that's in Detroit.
> > > >
> > > > That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> > > > words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.
> > >
> > > Why is this a funny name?
> >
> > I just look at it and start laughing.
>
> Yeah, but you're senile so you don't count. Are you packed yet?

I have a week yet, but I started thinking about it. Ken have you made
reservations at the Atlantis yet?

Betty

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

>  still very good.  But the next game, against UNCC, may be their
>  stiffest challenge in The East.

Boy-o-boy, were you right about this.  6 points down at the half, tied
up in the last seconds of regular time.  But finally prevailing in OT.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

> Tarheels over the 49ers in overtime.  A classic game.  UNC is the team
> to beat in this field.  Phyllis, are you recovered yet?

I couldn't believe that inadvertant whistle!

Betty

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:

> Is Dick Vitale calling any of the games this year? If so, when and what
> network?

He was doing a NCAA sports show on ESPN last night.  Along with Dean Smith
& someone else.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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Is this our old An-tAthair?

Betty

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

-aht (I think):

> > > That's it. Wayne State was a Bitnet node that all my mail to
> > > words-l@yalevm.yale.edu passed through back in the old days.

Karen:

> > Why is this a funny name?
>
> I just look at it and start laughing.

It makes me think of Fred's Bank of Steve Martin fame.  And Wayne's World.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Richard Scheidt <RJSTS@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU>
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>Those of you who habitually read AS Runic texts

Hey, who among us is *not* a habitual reader of
AS Runic texts?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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>> A hell of a hockey team /
>This is one of my big childhood memories.

Then you are familiar with the Greatest Hockey
Player Who Ever Lived.

>> And a left-handed way of making a man /
>???

A song written by that guy who used to be
partners with that Garfunkel guy.

>Why do you think I own a Honda?

'Cuz you're some kind of communist?

Richard - rjsts@jazz.ucc.uno.edu

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Field of Dreams
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Betty Clark wrote:

> I couldn't believe that inadvertant whistle!

That has to be one of the more bizarre things I've seen in a basketball
game.

The most bizarre was the 1993 Tournament game between UNC & Rhode Island.
Both schools have light blue & white as team colors, both use a ram as a
mascot, both use the same tune for the fight song.  The same colors part
wasn't that odd.  But having two people dressed in different ram costumes
dancing around the court and having first one band dressed in light blue
play a song, then another band dressed in light blue play the same song
over and over again was downright surreal.

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      in the zone
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Well, this pool-playing experiment is continuing aapace, and I am not
losing so many games as I used to. Even on the games I lose, I don't
leave as many balls on the table as I once did.

Every now and then, however, I get In the Zone. Anyone who's ever been
there knows it is a state of grace, there's no logical explanation for
it, you can't do anything wrong. So far, I haven't been able to stay in
the zone for more than one game at a time.

Graham complains that this is superstition, that if I think I can only
play well when I'm in some fictitious thing called The Zone, that I'll
develop all sorts of other superstitions about when I can and can't play.

So what do you think? Is there a Zone?

-aht

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From: Shoshana Edwards <bree@AULDBOOKS.COM>
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To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Thank you. The cards were funny and sweet, in that order. Much appreciated.

Sho

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> So what do you think? Is there a Zone?

Yes.

Betty

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From: Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Email hell
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>Submit your mial headers to Bookrat for dissection. The man may not be
>able to wake up before noon, but he knows mail headers like nobody's
>business.
>
>-aht

I was up at 9:30 this morning, but I have to admit I still wasn't awake
till noon.

I appreciate your confidence in me, and I'm always happy to look at
interesting mail headers.  But I've never seen anything complicated about
headers--I just follow them in a "head bone connected to the neck bone"
fashion.  (I'm sure, though, that if I knew more about them, I'd be more
cognizant of unusual patterns within them.)

Shoshana's case was pretty easy.  This segment almost jumps out at you:

>Received: from breebook.ix.netcom.com (pdx56-i48-16.teleport.com
>[204.202.167.30])

In other words, her computer thought of itself as "breebook.ix.netcom.com",
while her gateway knew its own proper name (and it had better!).

I would have said something about this earlier, but I went from bed to
shower to work this morning, and was busy with other stuff, and never even
saw the original question until I got home.  Besides, as it happened, steph
and Karen had the answer before I'd even achieved a modicum of
consciousness this morning.

Ken Miller
Systems Annalist
Babbage Engine Works

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From: Alyce Cresap <alybooks@EPIX.NET>
Subject:      Re: in the zone
To: WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU

Anne H Toal wrote:
>
> So what do you think? Is there a Zone?

There *is* a Zone. Michael Jordan has a Zone, so no reason why you
shouldn't. I had a Zone once in my life. A nondescript bowler, I once
had six strikes in a row. Then people all came 'round to watch this
potentially perfect game and I lost the Zone and never found it again.

alyce

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From: "Phyllis C. Petree" <ppetree@EMAIL.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Lentils
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Whoever posted the recipe for Sausage & Lentils (Alyce?) - this stuff is
delicious!!

   - phyllis_petree@unc.edu

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From: Brad Grissom <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: in the zone
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>Well, this pool-playing experiment is continuing apace, and I am not
>losing so many games as I used to. Even on the games I lose, I don't
>leave as many balls on the table as I once did.
>
>Every now and then, however, I get In the Zone. Anyone who's ever been
>there knows it is a state of grace, there's no logical explanation for
>it, you can't do anything wrong. So far, I haven't been able to stay in
>the zone for more than one game at a time.
>
>Graham complains that this is superstition, that if I think I can only
>play well when I'm in some fictitious thing called The Zone, that I'll
>develop all sorts of other superstitions about when I can and can't play.
>
>So what do you think? Is there a Zone?
>
>-aht

 There is a Zone.  For me, on the rare occasion when I have been
 there, it is when you realize that the cue stick is your friend
 and not a weapon, and that you can kiss the cue ball with it and
 not sledgehammer it.  You are acutely aware of angles, or, rather,
 you see angles in a new purified way.  Your elbow, your finger-and-
 thumb bridge, the force of your shot -- all seem preordained.  You
 take the ball to the hole!

 brad

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

>  thumb bridge, the force of your shot -- all seem preordained.  You
>  take the ball to the hole!

What a crock of shit. This is an evil, foul, and loathsome game. The
Devil's own game. I have never played anything, anything, that inspired
such fierce feelings of hatred and anger as Pool does. I hate this game.

-aht

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>>  thumb bridge, the force of your shot -- all seem preordained.  You
>>  take the ball to the hole!
>
>What a crock of shit. This is an evil, foul, and loathsome game. The
>Devil's own game. I have never played anything, anything, that inspired
>such fierce feelings of hatred and anger as Pool does. I hate this game.
>
>-aht

 Perhaps you should install a table in your Family Room, surprise
 Graham on his birthday.  Be careful of the cat.  A cat can wreck a
 pool table in no time.

 brad

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From: Bill Holler <holler@SOCIAL.CHASS.NCSU.EDU>
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Anne,

I enjoyed A late-nineties housewife.  You write well, you know.  You
really do, saying well just what is needed and no more.

Bill

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From: Anne H Toal <bwp@NETCOM.COM>
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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:

>  Perhaps you should install a table in your Family Room, surprise
>  Graham on his birthday.  Be careful of the cat.  A cat can wreck a
>  pool table in no time.

T-t-t-tooo late!

-aht

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
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On 14 Mar 98 at 21:12, Anne H Toal wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Brad Grissom wrote:
>
> >  thumb bridge, the force of your shot -- all seem preordained.  You
> >  take the ball to the hole!
>
> What a crock of shit. This is an evil, foul, and loathsome game. The
> Devil's own game. I have never played anything, anything, that inspired
> such fierce feelings of hatred and anger as Pool does. I hate this game.

Glad to see you're displaying all the signs of addiction!  Next
thing you'll be begging [whoever the latest Frank Paradise is] to
take $500 of your money so you can get on the six-month waiting
list for one of his gorgeous, buttery sticks.

Hey, Norman, who's making the good cues these days?

Myles

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From: "Espen S. Ore" <Espen.Ore@HIT.UIB.NO>
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the Holmenkollen ski jump. It moved there in 1892 after it started in
downtown Oslo in the 1860-ies and then moved to the area called Huseby. Way
back in my youth I sold hot dogs there.

espen

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From: Betty Clark <bclark@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
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And the answer is ______________________

Betty

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From: Myles Callum <callum@POP.EROLS.COM>
Subject:      The Sunday Puzzle
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They've posted a new puzzle, but the answer to last week's
stumper about words formed from the initial letters of
countries of Europe hasn't been put up yet.  Those answers
are posted by a fan who runs an "unofficial" site.  Maybe he's
sleeping in.  I hope the answer is better than SALSAS, which
I figured was too short and never bothered to send in.

Here's the new one:

"What common English word can mean all of the following:
empty, full and exactly even.  Hint: The word empty is being
used as a verb."

Myles

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On 15 Mar 98 at 6:03, Betty Clark wrote:

> And the answer is ______________________

"WILL'S ANSWER: BRUSHUPS"

"WILL ALSO ACCEPTED CHASUBLE,(a garment worn by priest
to celebrate mass); SUBURB, PUSHY, MURMERER, BRUSHY,
CHURCH, BURBLER AND HAGFISH"

"We received about 180 answers to this puzzle."

Here's the puzzle, again:

"What is the longest word from the initial letters in a chain of
consecutive countries in Europe? For example, you can spell
the word FISHY on a trip starting in France, which gives you the
letter F; from there you go to Italy for I, Slovenia for S, Hungary
for H, and Yugoslavia for Y. That's a 5-letter answer -- what's the
best that you can do? To count, the countries must be CONNECTED
BY LAND, and the initial letters must be taken in order. We're using
the standard English language names for the countries (for example:
HUNGARY, not MAGYAR REPUBLIC); you may return to a country and
repeat its initial in your trip, but you CAN'T stand on a country and
use its initial twice in a row. Your answer word must be
uncapitalized and unhyphenated. As always, our authority for
acceptable words is Merriam-Webster's 10th Collegiate Dictionary."

Myles

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>I have a week yet, but I started thinking about it. Ken have you made
>reservations at the Atlantis yet?
>
>Betty

Yes.  March 27th and 28th.  I think the person who was taking the
reservation was somewhat surprised when said that I was from San Jose.

Ken Miller
Director of Circumambulation
Phileas Fogg Institute for Recreational Studies

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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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If this were really a test, you would have heard me screaming.

Karen
  karen@wordwrite.com

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I'm just been informed that the collective IQ in here just went up,
so I thought I'd drag it down again by resubscribing.

Did I miss anything interesting while I was gone?

G

