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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:03:36 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Rita's coat
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>steph said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>>=         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
>>>>= for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
>>>>= Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
>>>>= to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
>>>>= Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
>>>>= warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
>>>>
>>>>I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
>>>>old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
>>>>down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
>>>>under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
>>>>walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
>>>>spring.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Sorry, I just thought it was time to stop reading about my
>>>virginity...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>        That's what you get for posting drunk.
>>
>
> Huh? I wasn't drunk at that point. I was just filled with goodwill.


        Even worse.





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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I find this hilarious.  I gather now that you didn't mean that she
> > didn't cook for her family, but only that she wasn't quite up to your
> > standards of culinary expertise.
>
> Not at all. You have such weird ideas about me, Natalie! It's not a
> matter of expertise, but I suppose of confidence. Or of understanding

But you said "she is not a cook."  That's all I was wondering about.
That and your comment that it was perhaps mean to say so.

> > -- i.e., that it is <mean> to
> > suggest that somebody isn't.
>
> I didn't say that it was mean. I said that I didn't intend my comment
> to be mean.

You said twice that it was perhaps mean.  You said it near the beginning
and then again in the "and this is the part that may be mean."  I stared
at that posting wondering what you meant about its being (or possibly
being) mean.

> > Not everybody has the same interests in
> > life.  I'm a National Waterski Association "Expert" -- a la a badge and
> > all that.  But I don't think that it would be <mean> for me to say that
> > somebody else isn't.  Somebody else might not want to be.
>
> I don't understand this, but please don't bother explaining.

Uh huh.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> But I have worked in packing houses in N. California - do they count?
>
>
>        Did you have a lot of time to defile the merchandise?  I'm

No. None.

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Now, I would say (and this may be the mean part) that my sister is not a
> > > cook, though she provides her family with 3 (quite good) meals/day.
> >
> > I'm confused about what you think may be "mean" here.
>
> It may be mean to say of someone 'she's not a cook'. You seem to think
> it's snide. I don't mean it in a mean or snide way.

You've lost me.  I didn't say anything about "snide."  And you were the
one who used the word "mean."  I still don't know exactly what you mean
by "she's not a cook" if she is in fact the one cooking everyday for her
family or what you mean by "mean."

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Maybe it's because I avoid wearing coats, but I can't imagine a coat's
> ripping or fraying or having unpleasant material changes in two years --
> or even ten years.

Nor can I with normal use. Of course there can be accidents, but...

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I've never thought about who I'm willing to spend time with.  I guess
> > I'm not picky in that respect.
>
> Maybe you have been lucky. Although, in small towns, you're sort of
> stuck with who is there.

Yep.  Poor ole me.  I just kind of endure whomever I'm around.  No
opportunity to hone those skills you have of who is or isn't worthy of
spending time with.

> My feeling is that there are a lot of boring people in the world and a
> lot of interesting ones, and I'd much rather spend my time with the
> interesting ones.

I'm not convinced that this has to do with the size of the town.  I
think it has more to do with the mind of the judge.  I am not sure I've
ever met anybody in my life who was not interesting in one way or
another.  In some cases, like my RRB&SIL, I'm fascinated by what strikes
me as boringness.  I find it interesting to think about that -- about
why I find them boring.  And to worry about myself for finding them
boring.  I tend to think of people who find anybody boring as being
probably boring themselves.

> > encountered those situations.  Also, I'm not sure what "that much time"
> > means.  I thought we were talking about parties, not moving in with
> > somebody full time.
>
> No, but you can't exactly leave a New Year's Eve party early...

I have.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Well, I'd want one because I have no idea what would go well
> in the front room.  The colors are green and a nice burgundy
> red, but I think if I did drapes in either of those it would
> be overpowering -- and drapes come in so many different
> styles, that a decorator might know something that would
> look subtle enough for my tastes -- I don't like a lot or
> ornamentation (ruffles, poofs, etc.).

Simple ivory/eggshell drapes with, perhaps, a swag across. With burgundy
and green already, I'd vote for a light color for the drapes. Do you
have white woodwork? The drapes must not clash with it (I mean, some
whites and ivories and eggshells do not go well together.)

alyce
>


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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>steph said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 08:42:57AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>>>=         I am in desperate need of a winter coat.  I haven't had one
> >>>>= for two years.  I'm thinking of buying the Field Coat from
> >>>>= Land's End.  If I buy it from Amazon, I'll get another $25
> >>>>= to spend on books, which is tempting.  I've never seen the
> >>>>= Field Coat in person, though, and I'm not sure it is very
> >>>>= warm.  Not that it gets very cold around here, but I'd like
> >>>>
> >>>>I have one of these.  It's not very warm.  It's about two years
> >>>>old now, and I seem to wear it mostly in the fall.  When it gets
> >>>>down to freezing it's not enough unless it's got enough layers
> >>>>under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
> >>>>walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
> >>>>spring.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Sorry, I just thought it was time to stop reading about my
> >>>virginity...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>        That's what you get for posting drunk.
> >>
> >
> > Huh? I wasn't drunk at that point. I was just filled with goodwill.
>
>
>         Even worse.

:)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Now, I would say (and this may be the mean part) that my sister is not a
> > > > cook, though she provides her family with 3 (quite good) meals/day.
> > >
> > > I'm confused about what you think may be "mean" here.
> >
> > It may be mean to say of someone 'she's not a cook'. You seem to think
> > it's snide. I don't mean it in a mean or snide way.
>
> You've lost me.  I didn't say anything about "snide."

No, but you say everything I say is snide.

> I still don't know exactly what you mean
> by "she's not a cook" if she is in fact the one cooking everyday for her
> family or what you mean by "mean."

I suppose I mean 'negatively judgmental'.

Karen

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In-Reply-To: <3E1262B0.6972B37@maynor.net> from Natalie Maynor at "Dec 31,
             2002  9:38:24 pm"
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I think I care somewhat about previously owned silverware, but not
> > dishes.
>
> Interesting.  I would think the opposite, though I don't have any real
> objection to either.  I guess the difference is that matching/adding old
> silver seems more <normal> somehow -- like you discover at an auction or
> flea market or wherever some inexpensive additions in your silver
> pattern.

I meant flatware--I've never had a 'pattern'. In fact, today I bought
some champagne flutes, and they are all different.

> I guess that happens with china also, of course.

My sister's MIL gave her some Fiesta ware, which I scarfed up. (Gave
her to sell at a garage sale.)

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>.. a lot of food at one sitting is what is
> difficult for you.

Yes, you are correct and I know it. But I was trained to eat only at the
table. I find it difficult to take food or drink to another part of the
house. I do not even have coffee at the computer in the morning. So I
often think during the day that I should go to get a snack in the
kitchen, but then I am busy doing something and the idea passes away. I
don't want to spend the day sitting at the kitchen table, but perhaps it
will come to that.

alyce

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        My goodness.  Two Natalies in one restaurant?  I should see about
        working there.  It must be a Natalie magnet.  But what would I be
        called?  Maybe just a simple "Three."

Trey.  Quite appropriate for a waitress I guess.

And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
they were when I left.

G
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Can you force some between-meal snacks in?  Supposedly (as in <they>
> say) it's better  to eat six small meals a day instead of three larger
> ones.

Yes, you're right. See earlier reply to Bonnie. I will try to do it.

alyce, spending tomorrow sitting at the table

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Well, I'd want one because I have no idea what would go well
>>in the front room.  The colors are green and a nice burgundy
>>red, but I think if I did drapes in either of those it would
>>be overpowering -- and drapes come in so many different
>>styles, that a decorator might know something that would
>>look subtle enough for my tastes -- I don't like a lot or
>>ornamentation (ruffles, poofs, etc.).
>>
>
> Simple ivory/eggshell drapes with, perhaps, a swag across. With burgundy
> and green already, I'd vote for a light color for the drapes. Do you
> have white woodwork? The drapes must not clash with it (I mean, some
> whites and ivories and eggshells do not go well together.)


        Yes, I have white crown molding and chair rail and the part
under the chair rail (above it is wallpapered in the nice
green with a delicate flower pattern).  And two of the
picture windows have big white wooden hinged things.  The
floor is oak. See, it is all just too complex for me.



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        Oh, Graham, I'm so, like, crushed. Boo hoo.

Graham Toal wrote:

>         My goodness.  Two Natalies in one restaurant?  I should see about
>         working there.  It must be a Natalie magnet.  But what would I be
>         called?  Maybe just a simple "Three."
>
> Trey.  Quite appropriate for a waitress I guess.
>
> And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
> if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
> sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
> they were when I left.
>
> G
> --
> Words-L hall of shame:
>
> 134 karen
> 94 natalie
> 66 rouvalis
> 65 scribble
> 31 alybooks
> 27 cwv
> 25 bonniev
> 21 rmirth
> 19 dumasb
> 18 alfieri
> 14 adamh1
> 13 BrandyKitt
> 12 bclark
> 9 beisbol
> 8 mem
> 6 plotkina
> 5 awild
> 2 s.words
> 1 bogris01
>
>


--
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alyce cresap said:
> Simple ivory/eggshell drapes with, perhaps, a swag across. With burgundy
> and green already, I'd vote for a light color for the drapes. Do you
> have white woodwork? The drapes must not clash with it (I mean, some
> whites and ivories and eggshells do not go well together.)

My sister has a burgundy and green swag. No drapes.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > I've never thought about who I'm willing to spend time with.  I guess
> > > I'm not picky in that respect.
> >
> > Maybe you have been lucky. Although, in small towns, you're sort of
> > stuck with who is there.
>
> Yep.  Poor ole me.  I just kind of endure whomever I'm around.  No
> opportunity to hone those skills you have of who is or isn't worthy of
> spending time with.
>
> > My feeling is that there are a lot of boring people in the world and a
> > lot of interesting ones, and I'd much rather spend my time with the
> > interesting ones.
>
> I'm not convinced that this has to do with the size of the town.  I
> think it has more to do with the mind of the judge.  I am not sure I've
> ever met anybody in my life who was not interesting in one way or
> another.  In some cases, like my RRB&SIL, I'm fascinated by what strikes
> me as boringness.  I find it interesting to think about that -- about
> why I find them boring.  And to worry about myself for finding them
> boring.  I tend to think of people who find anybody boring as being
> probably boring themselves.
>
> > > encountered those situations.  Also, I'm not sure what "that much time"
> > > means.  I thought we were talking about parties, not moving in with
> > > somebody full time.
> >
> > No, but you can't exactly leave a New Year's Eve party early...
>
> I have.

Uh-huh.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Yes.  If nuts aren't appealing, something else.

I like them. In fact, Doug bought some peanuts when he was here, but he
never offered any to me and I didn't ask. Wonder if he ate them all.
That makes him sound rude and selfish. I don't mean that. He was
wandering around the house with the jar--it was not at the table where I
do my eating.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I think I care somewhat about previously owned silverware, but not
> > > dishes.
> >
> > Interesting.  I would think the opposite, though I don't have any real
> > objection to either.  I guess the difference is that matching/adding old
> > silver seems more <normal> somehow -- like you discover at an auction or
> > flea market or wherever some inexpensive additions in your silver
> > pattern.
>
> I meant flatware--I've never had a 'pattern'. In fact, today I bought
> some champagne flutes, and they are all different.

I also was talking about flatware, not about champagne flutes.  I was
talking about silver.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> I am off to watch the ball drop. Have a good year, everybody.

Me too, although I'm not sure which channel, having not stayed up this
late in a good many years.  But I was determined to do it this year.  I
got onto this kick earlier tonight when I mentioned that Mama and I
watched it some years.  Actually, it was before I mentioned it on the
list.  I had already been thinking about it.  I was getting sleepy a
little while ago but kept going, determined to watch that ball tonight.
The tv set is already on.  I'm about to go find the ball, one way or
another.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > You've lost me.  I didn't say anything about "snide."
> >
> > No, but you say everything I say is snide.
>
> Cite, please.

http://tinyurl.com/3z7b et al.

> > > I still don't know exactly what you mean
> > > by "she's not a cook" if she is in fact the one cooking everyday for her
> > > family or what you mean by "mean."
> >
> > I suppose I mean 'negatively judgmental'.
>
> And this brings us back to why you would feel negatively judgmental
> toward somebody else's cooking.

I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeze.

Karen

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At 08:53 PM 12/31/2002 -0600, natalie wrote:

>I find this hilarious.  I gather now that you didn't mean that she
>didn't cook for her family, but only that she wasn't quite up to your
>standards of culinary expertise.  What strikes me as funny is that you
>somehow think that people who are obsessed with food and cooking

What strikes me as hilarious is that you believe that anyone who takes good
cooking and good eating more seriously than your rather casual approach is
somehow obsessed with the subject.  Perhaps it simply is your usual
strategy of hyperbole.

cwv

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alyce cresap said:
> I am off to watch the ball drop. Have a good year, everybody.

You, too, Alyce. I have another hour to go.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > I meant flatware--I've never had a 'pattern'. In fact, today I bought
> > > some champagne flutes, and they are all different.
> >
> > I also was talking about flatware, not about champagne flutes.
>
> It's a mindset thing. "Matching" is a foreign concept.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about here.

> How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?

I'd say stainless.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Cite, please.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3z7b et al.

I actually chased this url but got a strange screen with your e-mail
address on it and something about an authentication ticket.  Maybe
tomorrow.  No time to screw around with it tonight.  I feel good for
having stayed up and watched the ball drop.

> > > > I still don't know exactly what you mean
> > > > by "she's not a cook" if she is in fact the one cooking everyday for her
> > > > family or what you mean by "mean."
> > >
> > > I suppose I mean 'negatively judgmental'.
> >
> > And this brings us back to why you would feel negatively judgmental
> > toward somebody else's cooking.
>
> I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeze.

Uh huh.  So "mean" just dropped from the computer goblins onto your
posting.  Uh huh.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > > I meant flatware--I've never had a 'pattern'. In fact, today I bought
> > > > some champagne flutes, and they are all different.
> > >
> > > I also was talking about flatware, not about champagne flutes.
> >
> > It's a mindset thing. "Matching" is a foreign concept.
>
> I'm not really sure what you're talking about here.

Anything in my kitchen. I don't have a silver pattern. I don't have a
dish pattern. Things 'go together', I think--hope--but there are no
sets of things.

> > How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?
>
> I'd say stainless.

Well, I call it 'silverware', because I don't have any silver.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Cite, please.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3z7b et al.
>
> I actually chased this url but got a strange screen with your e-mail
> address on it and something about an authentication ticket.  Maybe
> tomorrow.

Oh, pooh. Never mind. You'll have to do your own archives search.

> I feel good for
> having stayed up and watched the ball drop.

But it's not midnight.

> > > > > I still don't know exactly what you mean
> > > > > by "she's not a cook" if she is in fact the one cooking everyday for her
> > > > > family or what you mean by "mean."
> > > >
> > > > I suppose I mean 'negatively judgmental'.
> > >
> > > And this brings us back to why you would feel negatively judgmental
> > > toward somebody else's cooking.
> >
> > I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeze.
>
> Uh huh.  So "mean" just dropped from the computer goblins onto your
> posting.  Uh huh.

You really are a turd, Natalie. I was concerned that some people might
read what I wrote and interpret it as a mean statement. I didn't
intend it to be so. But what else would you think; you think
everything I say is snide.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > You've lost me.  I didn't say anything about "snide."
>
> No, but you say everything I say is snide.

Cite, please.

> > I still don't know exactly what you mean
> > by "she's not a cook" if she is in fact the one cooking everyday for her
> > family or what you mean by "mean."
>
> I suppose I mean 'negatively judgmental'.

And this brings us back to why you would feel negatively judgmental
toward somebody else's cooking.

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Graham Toal wrote:

> And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
> if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
> sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
> they were when I left.

And we are indeed highly upset!  I feel sure that I'm speaking for
others, though they will of course quickly point it out if I'm not, that
we are all distressed and chagrined beyond words that we are not living
up to your standards and your discriminating tastes.  We realize, of
course, that it is very hard to satisfy somebody of your <stature>.
Hard to admit though it is, most of us are simply not quite up to your
supreme intelligence and lofty tastes.

> Words-L hall of shame:

Oh dear, oh dear.  We for sure feel shamed.

Somehow I had gotten the mistaken impression that you had mellowed a bit
-- turned into less of an asshole after marrying abht.  Guess I was
wrong.  Little hint:  Nobody required you to read Words-L for a week.
Nother little hint:  You could've done so, been disgusted, and left
quietly.  Why do you feel the need to tell us we are <shameful>?
Somehow I think that says lots more about you than it does about us.
Happy New Year, Asshole.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > I think I care somewhat about previously owned silverware, but not
> > > > dishes.
> > >
> > > Interesting.  I would think the opposite, though I don't have any real
> > > objection to either.  I guess the difference is that matching/adding old
> > > silver seems more <normal> somehow -- like you discover at an auction or
> > > flea market or wherever some inexpensive additions in your silver
> > > pattern.
> >
> > I meant flatware--I've never had a 'pattern'. In fact, today I bought
> > some champagne flutes, and they are all different.
>
> I also was talking about flatware, not about champagne flutes.

It's a mindset thing. "Matching" is a foreign concept.

> I was talking about silver.

I don't know what to call it, then. The only silver I own is a
necklace. How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Yes, I have white crown molding and chair rail and the part
> under the chair rail (above it is wallpapered in the nice
> green with a delicate flower pattern).  And two of the
> picture windows have big white wooden hinged things.  The
> floor is oak. See, it is all just too complex for me.

No it is not complex. If you have any of the white paint left, make a
sample chip. Go to fabric store. Look at light colors against it. It
probably is off-white, really. I have had multi compliments on my drapes
(which I designed myself and chose fabric for), and I have white
woodwork, but the fabric is slightly not white.

alyce

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             2002 11:22:23 pm"
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Natalie Maynor said:
> "clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> > >I find this hilarious.  I gather now that you didn't mean that she
> > >didn't cook for her family, but only that she wasn't quite up to your
> > >standards of culinary expertise.  What strikes me as funny is that you
> > >somehow think that people who are obsessed with food and cooking
> >
> > What strikes me as hilarious is that you believe that anyone who takes good
> > cooking and good eating more seriously than your rather casual approach is
> > somehow obsessed with the subject.  Perhaps it simply is your usual
> > strategy of hyperbole.
>
> No, I think that people who talk constantly about a particular subject
> and seem to think everybody else is interested in it are obsessed with
> that subject.  I think most people are somewhat obsessed with one thing
> or another.  My obsessions have varied through the years.  Computer
> stuff was one for a while, and I talked about it constantly here.  That
> has waned now.  I think we all have a right to our obsessions.  But I do
> think it's funny to suggest that our particular interests are somehow
> <superior>.  I have never gotten that impression from you, btw.  But
> I've gotten it many times from Karen.  She seems to think that anybody
> not obsessed with food and cooking is <inferior>.

You are projecting again. You really need to get that looked at.

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >I find this hilarious.  I gather now that you didn't mean that she
> >didn't cook for her family, but only that she wasn't quite up to your
> >standards of culinary expertise.  What strikes me as funny is that you
> >somehow think that people who are obsessed with food and cooking
>
> What strikes me as hilarious is that you believe that anyone who takes good
> cooking and good eating more seriously than your rather casual approach is
> somehow obsessed with the subject.  Perhaps it simply is your usual
> strategy of hyperbole.

No, I think that people who talk constantly about a particular subject
and seem to think everybody else is interested in it are obsessed with
that subject.  I think most people are somewhat obsessed with one thing
or another.  My obsessions have varied through the years.  Computer
stuff was one for a while, and I talked about it constantly here.  That
has waned now.  I think we all have a right to our obsessions.  But I do
think it's funny to suggest that our particular interests are somehow
<superior>.  I have never gotten that impression from you, btw.  But
I've gotten it many times from Karen.  She seems to think that anybody
not obsessed with food and cooking is <inferior>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:46:05 -0500
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I am off to watch the ball drop. Have a good year, everybody.
--
alyce

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> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:21:11 -0500, alyce cresap
<alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> >I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
> >that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has
to
> >say goat cheese on theirs.

They must have a cheese fetish.

           - D. M.

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>Happy New Year, Asshole.

This may well be the Quote of Two Millennia.

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>And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
>if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
>sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
>they were when I left.
>
>G
>--
>Words-L hall of shame:

Just out of curiousity, is this a list of posts you thought were worth
responding to, a list of posts that slipped through your bozo filter, or a
list of all posts during the last week?

If the first, chacun son gout; if the second, again, chacun son gout; if
the third -- well, on the one hand, the ghost of Dr. Pareto has been around
for much longer than I've been on this <service>, and on the other hand you
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Ken Miller
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Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Graham Toal wrote:

>And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
>if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
>sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
>they were when I left.

Bless your heart.

Bethany
>19 dumasb
+ 1 = 20

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Doris Markland writes,

>They must have a cheese fetish.

A fetid cheese fetish.

Pete

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...to wordslers near and far, although I am a bit late for most and a bit
early for mem.  By the time I hit send, the firecrackers will be a-popping
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I feel good for
> > having stayed up and watched the ball drop.
>
> But it's not midnight.

Every time I've ever watched the ball drop, which has been a good many
times, it has been at precisely 11:00 p.m.

> You really are a turd, Natalie. I was concerned that some people might
> read what I wrote and interpret it as a mean statement. I didn't
> intend it to be so. But what else would you think; you think
> everything I say is snide.

Your logic is screwy.  The reason we got into this debate was that I
said that I couldn't understand why you would think anybody might think
what you said was in any way <mean>.  I was asking for an explanation of
why you thought about <mean> at all.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> You are projecting again. You really need to get that looked at.

What am I projecting?

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Doris Markland wrote:

> They must have a cheese fetish.

Welcome back, DM!  Are you back in Nebraska, or are you e-ing from
Texas?

--
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>My feeling is that there are a lot of boring people in the world and a
>lot of interesting ones, and I'd much rather spend my time with the
>interesting ones.        --Karen

I agree with you.  And the choice isn't only between boring and interesting
people.  The third choice is spending time alone, which I prefer much of
the time.  Also, because I do spend a lot of time alone, I often find it
very draining to spend time with a group of others.  The older I get the
more careful I am about making friends or getting involved with groups.


    --bonniev

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>I am not sure I've
>ever met anybody in my life who was not interesting in one way or
>another.  In some cases, like my RRB&SIL, I'm fascinated by what strikes
>me as boringness.  I find it interesting to think about that -- about
>why I find them boring.  And to worry about myself for finding them
>boring.  I tend to think of people who find anybody boring as being
>probably boring themselves.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

And it's all this thinking and self introspection (which I also do) that I
find draining and wearisome and to be avoided.


    --bonniev

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>Yes, you are correct and I know it. But I was trained to eat only at the
>table. I find it difficult to take food or drink to another part of the
>house. I do not even have coffee at the computer in the morning. So I
>often think during the day that I should go to get a snack in the
>kitchen, but then I am busy doing something and the idea passes away. I
>don't want to spend the day sitting at the kitchen table, but perhaps it
>will come to that.        --alyce

The other choice is to set aside your training, free your mind, swallow
your inhibitions, and allow yourself to eat all around the house and not
just at the table.

I've never added up the calories I eat in a day but most days go something
like this:   two mugs of coffee with milk and about 10 ounces of
calcium-fortified grapefruit juice between 8 and 10 a.m.    A half cup of
Total raisin bran and a third cup of Bran Buds with a sliced up banana and
milk at around 11:30.    An apple and a half cup of almonds around
2:30.   An alcoholic drink with corn chips and salsa at 4:00.   [so far
none of this is eaten at a table]   Dinner around 7:00 which for example
will be a grilled pork chop, a cup of cooked rice, and a steamed
veg.  Usually nothing else at night.   I seem to easily maintain my weight
on this diet and never feel stuffed or particularly hungry.  And the above
gives me at least 150% of the daily recommended calcium intake and 28 grams
of fiber.


    --bonniev

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>  And two of the picture windows have big white wooden hinged things.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Shutters?   Maybe you don't need any additional window treatments.   I had
window treatments.  It is indeed hard to find something that isn't
overbearing or outdated or just plain ugly.


    --bonniev

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>I have had multi compliments on my drapes
>(which I designed myself and chose fabric for), and I have white
>woodwork, but the fabric is slightly not white.
>alyce

Alyce you are awesome.


    --bonniev

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> > How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?
>
>I'd say stainless.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'd say flatware.


    --bonniev

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>They must have a cheese fetish.
>            - D. M.

Hey, Doris.   Welcome back.  Where have you been??  I missed you.  What was
Christmas like in the good ole Midwest?


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I am not sure I've
> >ever met anybody in my life who was not interesting in one way or
> >another.  In some cases, like my RRB&SIL, I'm fascinated by what strikes
> >me as boringness.  I find it interesting to think about that -- about
> >why I find them boring.  And to worry about myself for finding them
> >boring.  I tend to think of people who find anybody boring as being
> >probably boring themselves.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> And it's all this thinking and self introspection (which I also do) that I
> find draining and wearisome and to be avoided.

Interesting.  I've never thought of it as introspection (is there
introspection that isn't self introspection, btw?), though I see your
point.  It's only in odd cases, like my RRB&SIL, that I think about why
I find them boring, of course.  I'm not usually thrown with anybody else
I find boring, though the interestingness is of different kinds for
different people.  I don't think there's much in life as fascinating as
people.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?
> >
> >I'd say stainless.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I'd say flatware.

But the question was how you distinguish between non-silver and silver,
wasn't it?  "Flatware" could be either.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Have you been to the mountain and returned, Bonniemae, or did you not
go?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Interesting.  I've never thought of it as introspection (is there
>introspection that isn't self introspection, btw?), though I see your
>point.  It's only in odd cases, like my RRB&SIL, that I think about why
>I find them boring, of course.  I'm not usually thrown with anybody else
>I find boring, though the interestingness is of different kinds for
>different people.  I don't think there's much in life as fascinating as
>people.    -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I spent much of the evening after the wedding last Saturday thinking about
how I didn't fit in at all with that segment of Bar Harbor society.  Then I
began to wonder what segment of society I would fit in with.  I don't much
enjoy associating with most of the Innkeepers around here either.  Then I
got depressed and gave up thinking about it.


    --bonniev

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> > > > How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?
> > >
> > >I'd say stainless.
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > I'd say flatware.
>
>But the question was how you distinguish between non-silver and silver,
>wasn't it?  "Flatware" could be either.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oh.  Never mind.


    --bonniev

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>Have you been to the mountain and returned, Bonniemae, or did you not
>go?   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I did not go.  I did wake up around 4:00, looked out the window, realized I
could see stars which meant the rain had cleared off, thought about the
glaze ice that the unplowed road would be going up to Cadillac, and went
back to bed.  I continue to have mixed feelings about it.   If we had a
full moon last night, that might have tipped the scales in favor of going.

I also worry about my eye.  Last year I was under order to not do that hike
because it would increase the risk of a detached or torn retina.  I guess
I'm still at risk.   On Monday I had an eye incident that had to be checked
out immediately by the specialist in Bangor.   It turned out to be an
ocular migraine which has nothing to do with retina.  But, still, the whole
thing leaves me nervous.


    --bonniev

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HNY all - I wimped out early last night, was up briefly early morning,
then crashed again. I leave for Atl early tomorrow - be back Sunday. I'll
go nomail in a few hours.

I never go out on NYE anymore. This year, I was tempted by one
invitation, a last-minute impromptu party planned (about 3:30 p.m.) for 6
p.m. so that people could get home early. But I did not get the invitation
until 6 p.m. and was just too barn-dirty and zonked to rise to the
occasion.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor said:
> The reason we got into this debate was that I
> said that I couldn't understand why you would think anybody might think
> what you said was in any way <mean>.  I was asking for an explanation of
> why you thought about <mean> at all.

Because of you.

Karen

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Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
type of influence she would exert.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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bonniev wrote:

>>  And two of the picture windows have big white wooden hinged things.
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> Shutters?   Maybe you don't need any additional window treatments.   I had
> window treatments.  It is indeed hard to find something that isn't
> overbearing or outdated or just plain ugly.


        Well, the middle window doesn't have anything, so people can
see right in the front room & diningroom from the street.
Plus, the room is cold in the winter, and I thought drapes
might help with that (not that we use that room for anything
except the Christmas tree -- this house is too big).


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > The reason we got into this debate was that I
> > said that I couldn't understand why you would think anybody might think
> > what you said was in any way <mean>.  I was asking for an explanation of
> > why you thought about <mean> at all.
>
> Because of you.

?  I give up.  Your logic defies me.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > You are projecting again. You really need to get that looked at.
> >
> > What am I projecting?
>
> Your own feelings on me.

See previous posting.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > The reason we got into this debate was that I
> > > said that I couldn't understand why you would think anybody might think
> > > what you said was in any way <mean>.  I was asking for an explanation of
> > > why you thought about <mean> at all.
> >
> > Because of you.
>
> ?  I give up.  Your logic defies me.

I thought about mean because I thought about what you might say about
my comment, Natalie. And you certainly didn't disappoint.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > You are projecting again. You really need to get that looked at.
> > >
> > > What am I projecting?
> >
> > Your own feelings on me.
>
> See previous posting.

I don't understand.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>>>I am not sure I've
>>>ever met anybody in my life who was not interesting in one way or
>>>another.  In some cases, like my RRB&SIL, I'm fascinated by what strikes
>>>me as boringness.  I find it interesting to think about that -- about
>>>why I find them boring.  And to worry about myself for finding them
>>>boring.  I tend to think of people who find anybody boring as being
>>>probably boring themselves.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>>
>>And it's all this thinking and self introspection (which I also do) that I
>>find draining and wearisome and to be avoided.
>>
>
> Interesting.  I've never thought of it as introspection (is there
> introspection that isn't self introspection, btw?), though I see your
> point.  It's only in odd cases, like my RRB&SIL, that I think about why
> I find them boring, of course.  I'm not usually thrown with anybody else
> I find boring, though the interestingness is of different kinds for
> different people.  I don't think there's much in life as fascinating as
> people.
>


        But you're very outgoing, Natalie.  I think people are very
interesting, but only in small doses; otherwise, I find it
exhausting to be in groups all the time.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > You are projecting again. You really need to get that looked at.
>
> What am I projecting?

Your own feelings on me.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> I also worry about my eye.  Last year I was under order to not do that hike
> because it would increase the risk of a detached or torn retina.  I guess
> I'm still at risk.   On Monday I had an eye incident that had to be checked
> out immediately by the specialist in Bangor.   It turned out to be an
> ocular migraine which has nothing to do with retina.  But, still, the whole
> thing leaves me nervous.

Ocular migraines are VERY weird. I've had three or four in the past 15
years.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:

>>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:21:11 -0500, alyce cresap
>>
> <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
>
>>>I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
>>>that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has
>>>
> to
>
>>>say goat cheese on theirs.
>>>
>
> They must have a cheese fetish.
>


        Doris is back!  I was thinking of you last night.  I caught a
little bit of Letterman, and Robin Williams was on
describing his trip to Afganistan.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 09:00:11AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= > > How do you distinguish non-silver eating utensils?
= >
= >I'd say stainless.
= >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
=
= I'd say flatware.
=
=
=     --bonniev

We say silverware here all the time for our cheapo stainless set.
When the need to distinguish arises, as it does sometimes when
visiting the parents, who do have the real stuff, then I think it
gets referred to as "the real silver".

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bonniev said:
> And the choice isn't only between boring and interesting
> people.  The third choice is spending time alone, which I prefer much of
> the time.

I'd often give up time alone to spend time with interesting people.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         But you're very outgoing, Natalie.  I think people are very
> interesting, but only in small doses; otherwise, I find it
> exhausting to be in groups all the time.

You have to keep in mind that I spend most of my time not with people.
Iow, I have plenty of time to store up energy for when I'm with people.
Actually, I have thought at times that it would be fun to live in a
communal type place of some kind, as long as I had my private quarters.
One of my favorite summers ever was the one I spent living in the
International House at U of Chicago, with a private room but pretty
constant togetherness with friends.  I prefer having a private bathroom,
which I didn't there, but it was like I did most of the time since I was
the only all-summer resident of that particular wing, meaning I had the
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--
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:24:04PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Tushar Samant said:
= > One thing doesn't add up--how did he and his wife both
= > get searched?
=
= I do find this the weirdest things.
=
= Karen

In November, where I got to go through main security in Amsterdam,
Chicago (2x), San Diego, San Francisco (only gate security) and
Portland, we got to see a lot of examples.

I did see at least one elderly asian man get pulled over for
wanding at the gate, and they then asked the woman with him if
they were travelling together and she got wanded as well.  So
that may be somewhat normal, not to split up people flying
together.

I also saw the first guy to run up to be first in first class on
one plane be pulled over for wanding at the gate.  He was so
pissed he didn't even bother to tie his shoelaces to walk down
the jetway.

My bearded, ponytailed, bluejeaned boyfriend did not set off any
liberal hippy alarms for inspection.

Our itinerary of extra examinations:
one bag got opened for hand inspection pre-checkin in Amsterdam

twenty questions at gate (normal for amsterdam) got bumped up to
the supervisor because the (probably nervous newbie) questioner
managed to match my passport to Patrick's face and then got upset
when she couldn't match Patrick's passport with my face and asked
again to have my passport.

That's it.  We didn't get wanded once either at the gate or at
security, we both passed through security without setting off
either the walkthrough thing or having to have our hand bags
opened.

The only place that seemed unusually tense was San Francisco, and
it was the only place where we didn't have to go through main
security because we just had a connection there and were already
on the other side.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I thought about mean because I thought about what you might say about
> my comment, Natalie. And you certainly didn't disappoint.

Uh huh.  I asked you why you had mentioned "mean" since I saw nothing
mean in what you'd written.  Sorry I asked.  (And I still don't see how
<mean> fits in any way with what you were saying, but you can consider
whatever you want to mean or potentially mean.  I certainly won't ask
why again.)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > You are projecting again. You really need to get that looked at.
> > > >
> > > > What am I projecting?
> > >
> > > Your own feelings on me.
> >
> > See previous posting.
>
> I don't understand.

Obviously.

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steph wrote:

> twenty questions at gate (normal for amsterdam) got bumped up to

I loved the nice security man at the gate in Amsterdam last time I was
there.  The x-ray machine had picked up on the glass dog in my purse
that I'd bought in the Helsinki airport.  I pulled it out and looked at
the man in horror and said, "It's not illegal, is it?  I would hate to
lose my wonderful glass dog!"  He laughed and assured me that it was not
illegal and that it was indeed a beautiful dog.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I thought about mean because I thought about what you might say about
> > my comment, Natalie. And you certainly didn't disappoint.
>
> Uh huh.  I asked you why you had mentioned "mean" since I saw nothing
> mean in what you'd written.  Sorry I asked.  (And I still don't see how
> <mean> fits in any way with what you were saying, but you can consider
> whatever you want to mean or potentially mean.  I certainly won't ask
> why again.)

Whew!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I thought about mean because I thought about what you might say about
> > my comment, Natalie. And you certainly didn't disappoint.
>
> Uh huh.  I asked you why you had mentioned "mean" since I saw nothing
> mean in what you'd written.

You didn't make that at all clear--in fact, the opposite. I suppose I
was put off by all the talk of 'obsession' and 'fetish'.

> (And I still don't see how
> <mean> fits in any way with what you were saying,

Good. Because I didn't intend it that way.

Karen

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All the Best for 2003 to you and all the Wordslers.
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bonniev wrote:
> The other choice is to set aside your training, free your mind, swallow
> your inhibitions, and allow yourself to eat all around the house and not
> just at the table.

You are right, of course, doctor. But my mother said that if you eat all
over the house you will attract moths in the carpet. (smiley omitted so
as not to offend smiley-haters).

I found the peanuts. He didn't eat very many, so I'll try to do some of
those soon. I had American cheese slices for breakfast and an Ensure
Plus. At 12:15 I have to do my nebulizer inhalation crap, and after that
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 03:29:06PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
= > under it.  But then again, I don't wear it when I'm really
= > walking about, just mostly to the car for work in the fall and
= > spring.
=
=
=         Is it a good coat for in the car?  I think the average temp
= around here in winter is around 35 - 45, so freezing isn't
= that much of an issue.  That's why I have been coatless for
= two years -- it doesn't stay cold long enough to motivate me
= to go out and buy one.
=

I don't like actually wearing it in the car because when I'm
driving I end up sitting on it and then it either gets bunched up
so I'm not sitting on it or I can't move my arms.  Since I park
my car on the street and that can be a few minutes walk away,
it's just warm enough to get me there.  Or I toss it on when I
need to be presentable and not polartech sporty.

I dunno, it's all personal.  I used to be very happy wearing my
Levis denim jacket all the time, everywhere.  This is not as
heavy canvas as that.

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>You didn't make that at all clear--in fact, the opposite. I suppose I
>was put off by all the talk of 'obsession' and 'fetish'.
>
>> (And I still don't see how
>> <mean> fits in any way with what you were saying,
>
>Good. Because I didn't intend it that way.

Does it not all depend upon what the meaning of mean is?

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:
> the whole
> thing leaves me nervous.

As well it might. It is good that you did not hike.

alyce

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
= >You didn't make that at all clear--in fact, the opposite. I suppose I
= >was put off by all the talk of 'obsession' and 'fetish'.
= >
= >> (And I still don't see how
= >> <mean> fits in any way with what you were saying,
= >
= >Good. Because I didn't intend it that way.
=
= Does it not all depend upon what the meaning of mean is?
=
= Bethany

Sometimes I think we should run words-l with something like
Slashdot moderation.

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>All the Best for 2003 to you and all the Wordslers.
>Maggy
>--
>alyce

Is Maggy your nom de plume, alyce?

Bethany

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Got the Christmas tree out of the house yesterday. Graham said in his family they leave the tree up until Twelfth Night, but that sounded just a little too Yankee for me. Last year we left the tree up after January 1, and it was a very unlucky year. Not fooling around with that stuff this time, no sir. Started cooking today's meal last night about 11:00. Blackeyed peas, collard greens, sweet potatoes, and ham. Happy New Year to all who celebrate it.

-aht

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Is Maggy your nom de plume, alyce?

No, Maggy is Maggy Browne of England, who is a Wordsler from long ago.
She has been moving her bookstore and household and has been signed out
for some months, but hopes to return one of these days.

alyce

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>Ocular migraines are VERY weird. I've had three or four in the past 15
>years.      --Karen

Yes, they are.  Rather pretty, though.  The doc said if I have another one
in the next three months he may feel the need to do fluorescein
angiography  (a test used by ophthalmologists to evaluate the retinal
vessels. Fluorescein is a special dye with unique properties that make it
very useful in evaluating abnormalities in the vessels of the eye.)  But if
I don't have another one for six years or so then it is "a big yawn."  I
think I may have had one many years ago.  But back then I wasn't so worried
about my eyes as I have come to be lately.


    --bonniev

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Do people really wear coats a lot?I have not owned one for many years
(except for my oiled Australian coat, rarely worn). I wear jackets
(often riding jackets of polartec) or vests rather than coats. Layering is
effective. A light jacket over a warm vest offers a lot of warmth.

Bethany

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bonniev wrote:

>> Ocular migraines are VERY weird. I've had three or four in the past 15
>> years.      --Karen
>
>
> Yes, they are.  Rather pretty, though.  The doc said if I have another one
> in the next three months he may feel the need to do fluorescein
> angiography  (a test used by ophthalmologists to evaluate the retinal
> vessels. Fluorescein is a special dye with unique properties that make it
> very useful in evaluating abnormalities in the vessels of the eye.)  But if
> I don't have another one for six years or so then it is "a big yawn."  I
> think I may have had one many years ago.  But back then I wasn't so worried
> about my eyes as I have come to be lately.


        I had that test when I had the 3-hour eye exam over the
summer.  I have abnormal blood vessels in the back of my
eyeball -- they look a little like the beginning of glaucoma
or something like that, but aren't.  Plus, I have freckles
on my eyes.  It was an interesting appointment.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>bonniev wrote:
> > the whole thing leaves me nervous.
>
>As well it might. It is good that you did not hike.
>alyce

I think you are right.  I just walked down to town for the
newspapers.  Those few spots where yesterday's rain had not washed the snow
and ice away to bare pavement were rather slick.   I got to thinking that
the three mile road up to the top of Cadillac got 16 inches of snow on
Christmas night.  Then the snowmobilers pounded it down and compacted
it.  Then yesterday's rain made it slick without washing away all the
snow.  Then at 4:30 this morning it was below freezing.  What do you
have?   A three mile long skating rink.   One would have had to be careful
of each foot placement in the dark.  I'd have never made it to the top
without falling and hitting my poor head.  I'm glad I didn't go.


    --bonniev

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Do people really wear coats a lot?I have not owned one for many years
> (except for my oiled Australian coat, rarely worn). I wear jackets
> (often riding jackets of polartec) or vests rather than coats. Layering is
> effective. A light jacket over a warm vest offers a lot of warmth.
>


        No, nobody wears coats ever.  That's why they make and sell them.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>        I had that test when I had the 3-hour eye exam over the
>summer.  I have abnormal blood vessels in the back of my
>eyeball -- they look a little like the beginning of glaucoma
>or something like that, but aren't.  Plus, I have freckles
>on my eyes.  It was an interesting appointment.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I googled on it and it did indeed look interesting.  It takes nine to
fifteen seconds for the dye to get from your arm to the back of your
eye!!  I evidently also have abnormal, enlarged veins in the back of my
eye.  The doc said that one sees that in people with high blood
pressure.  But I've never had high blood pressure so that it is very likely
that, in me, it is just a family trait.  He was telling his tech about my
eye veins and said something about "you could hang venison on those hooks."

Evidently they do the angiogram after recurrent ocular migraines just to
rule out anything unusual.  Ordinarily ocular migraines are not of any
concern and do no damage.  He did say that if it happened again he would
want a detailed account of what I had done in the last twelve hours so as
to figure out what may have caused it.  Caffeine, nicotine, and exercise
are all suspects because they are vasoconstrictors.  I have resolved to
stop bumming cigarettes.

    --bonniev

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Yes, Happy New Year

Even if I haven't done more today than listened to the traditional
Strauss-concert from Vienna and made some phone calls it seems to be
enough for a Jan 1.

Tomorrow I'll go to Tallinn to see my parents and sister -- and I just
got to know that at my Father's place recently all the kitchen cupboards
came crumbling down from the wall. Oh. It came out when I talked to his
wife asking her not to prepare too carefully for our visit; I meant all
kind of snacks and all. Then she said that they were short of cups and
plates anyway after the cupboards came down.

There is so much beautiful snow that it is just a sin not to go skiing
but I hope I can do it later this winter, too.

Kristin

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>        Well, the middle window doesn't have anything, so people can
>see right in the front room & diningroom from the street.
>Plus, the room is cold in the winter, and I thought drapes
>might help with that (not that we use that room for anything
>except the Christmas tree -- this house is too big).
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Our living room window in Oak Ridge was like that.  After trying a number
of things, I eventually special ordered a cellular shade that spanned the
long picture window.  It did provide insulation in the winter.  And
privacy.  It pulls up to about two inches of unobtrusive top border when
not in use.

Here's a web page where you can order them.  Natalie, it even has a "how to
install" page.
http://www.yourblinds.com/product_cellulars.asp


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> All the Best for 2003 to you and all the Wordslers.
> Maggy

Please return the greeting to her!  Hmm.  That sounds strange, doesn't
it -- like refusing to accept it -- like batting it away.  What I meant
was to please tell her All the Best for 2003 also.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>No, Maggy is Maggy Browne of England, who is a Wordsler from long ago.
>She has been moving her bookstore and household and has been signed out
>for some months, but hopes to return one of these days.

Thanks.

Bethany

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steph wrote:

> I don't like actually wearing it in the car because when I'm
> driving I end up sitting on it and then it either gets bunched up
> so I'm not sitting on it or I can't move my arms.  Since I park

I think it's mainly my arms that don't like being coated in a car,
although it's the bunchiness of back and bottom also.  It's not quite as
bad when a passenger as when a driver for some reason.

Oops.  My dinger just told me the black-eyed peas are cooked.  I need to
go tend to them.

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steph said:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Bethany K. Dumas wrote:
> = >You didn't make that at all clear--in fact, the opposite. I suppose I
> = >was put off by all the talk of 'obsession' and 'fetish'.
> = >
> = >> (And I still don't see how
> = >> <mean> fits in any way with what you were saying,
> = >
> = >Good. Because I didn't intend it that way.
> =
> = Does it not all depend upon what the meaning of mean is?
> =
> = Bethany
>
> Sometimes I think we should run words-l with something like
> Slashdot moderation.

Me, too.

Karen

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I may fetish cheese, but I have never made cheesecake before. Now I
found a file in my computer with Bonnie's cheesecake recipe, and as I
bought an electric mixer recently I'm apt to try to make it.

Two questions:

"NOT a spring form pan," Bonnie warned. Is this a pan that may change
its form when filled with pastry* ? Something soft or elastic?

And: "2 Tablespoons of corn starch" are required. I wonder whether
something awful would happen if I use potato starch instead. I have the
latter at home, and it's more common here. I am not even sure whether,
or where, corn starch is on sale.



*I still look up the word in a dictionary (in order not to amuse you too
much)

Kristin

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bonniev said:
> >Ocular migraines are VERY weird. I've had three or four in the past 15
> >years.      --Karen
>
> Yes, they are.  Rather pretty, though.  The doc said if I have another one
> in the next three months he may feel the need to do fluorescein
> angiography  (a test used by ophthalmologists to evaluate the retinal
> vessels. Fluorescein is a special dye with unique properties that make it
> very useful in evaluating abnormalities in the vessels of the eye.)  But if
> I don't have another one for six years or so then it is "a big yawn."  I
> think I may have had one many years ago.  But back then I wasn't so worried
> about my eyes as I have come to be lately.

Yeah.

You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
I'm glad to know all this stuff.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> Evidently they do the angiogram after recurrent ocular migraines just to
> rule out anything unusual.  Ordinarily ocular migraines are not of any
> concern and do no damage.  He did say that if it happened again he would
> want a detailed account of what I had done in the last twelve hours so as
> to figure out what may have caused it.  Caffeine, nicotine, and exercise
> are all suspects because they are vasoconstrictors.  I have resolved to
> stop bumming cigarettes.

For me, I think it was stress. (There were always big work things
around the time of my migraines.)

Karen

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        No, nobody wears coats ever.  That's why they make and sell them.

That's not necessarily true. In some cities, notably New Orleans, some
women appear to own fur coats solely so that they can drape them over
their bodies when they go to a high-fashion event. It's always too hot to
wear a coat there, of course, especially a fur coat.

Bethany

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> bonniev said:
> > >Ocular migraines are VERY weird. I've had three or four in the past
15
> > >years.      --Karen
> >
> > Yes, they are.  Rather pretty, though.  The doc said if I have
another one
> > in the next three months he may feel the need to do fluorescein
> > angiography  (a test used by ophthalmologists to evaluate the
retinal
> > vessels. Fluorescein is a special dye with unique properties that
make it
> > very useful in evaluating abnormalities in the vessels of the eye.)
But if
> > I don't have another one for six years or so then it is "a big
yawn."  I
> > think I may have had one many years ago.  But back then I wasn't so
worried
> > about my eyes as I have come to be lately.
>
> Yeah.
>
> You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
> I'm glad to know all this stuff.
>
> Karen

I have them now and then.  The doctor
doesn't seem concerned about it.

            - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv said:
> "NOT a spring form pan," Bonnie warned. Is this a pan that may change
> its form when filled with pastry* ? Something soft or elastic?

You know how when you made a pie, you leave the pie in the pan when
you serve it? Well, with a springform pan, you make the pie or cake,
and then the pan is made to be removed from around the dish you
cooked. I know these are used a lot in European cooking, especially
German.

> And: "2 Tablespoons of corn starch" are required. I wonder whether
> something awful would happen if I use potato starch instead. I have the
> latter at home, and it's more common here. I am not even sure whether,
> or where, corn starch is on sale.

I think you just need a thickener, so any kind of starch or flour
would do.

> *I still look up the word in a dictionary (in order not to amuse you too
> much)

I love you, Kristin.:)

Karen

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Anne Toal wrote:
> Last year we left the tree up after January 1, and it was a very unlucky year. Not fooling around with that stuff this time, no sir.

I can't believe you did that last year!  I would have been terrified all
year.

> Blackeyed peas, collard greens, sweet potatoes, and ham.

For me it's blackeyed peas, turnip greens, ham, and green onions.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   She seems to think that anybody
> not obsessed with food and cooking is <inferior>.

Oh, Natalie, rather casual as I am concerning cooking, it has long seemed to me
that most people who are good cooks seem to think of those who are not that they
are inferior. Not that they kept saying it, but as trying new recipes, making old
ones better, or new, etc. is as natural part of their lives as, say, brushing
teeth regularly, they may feel about those who are not fond of cooking as if they
were clueless or inefficient. Never mind.

My obsession may sometimes be, or seem to be, trying to justify my not being very
fond of cooking.

If a new recipe were challenge for me, I'd hardly try any and never enjoy. As I
try them rarely, and only willingly, these tryings are sort of events for me.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Tomorrow I'll go to Tallinn to see my parents and sister -- and I just

Wait -- I thought you lived in Tallinn.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> Here's a web page where you can order them.  Natalie, it even has a "how to
> install" page.
> http://www.yourblinds.com/product_cellulars.asp

Thank you.  This is url I may chase later.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>
> Welcome back, DM!  Are you back in Nebraska, or are you e-ing from
> Texas?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I am back in Nebraska after a grueling two-day drive
through heavy downpours, stopping now and then to
dodge tornados reported in the area.

We spent Christmas at daughter Sara's house in Columbus,
Texas.  All my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren
were there.  Then we all spent last weekend in San Antonio at my
grandson Jason's new home.

Funny thing.  I had 3 addresses to look up in San Antonio.
Jason's, of course.  And then I wanted to look up an old
friend I knew many years ago in Iowa.  And I wanted to
look up the son of one of our friends in Nebraska.  Turned
out, all three were in the same area, no more than 5-10
blocks apart.  Very rare.

I am always so glad when Xmas is over and we get back
to normal routines.  But not today.  I'm going to be lazy
today. Ize tired.

                              - D. M.

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>> > >Ocular migraines are VERY weird. I've had three or four in the past

I have been told that they can be trigged by such things as fabric dye. I
have had several, most upon leaving fabric shops.

Bethany

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At 12:02 PM 1/1/2003 -0500, bonnie wrote:
 >  What do you have?   A three mile long skating rink.

...on a 10 to 20 degree slope...

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Kristin Sarv said:
> >  a spring form

>  Well, with a springform pan, you make the pie or cake,
> and then the pan is made to be removed from around the dish

Aha, thank you. Once I had a spring form pan, then, but it leaked and I
haven't bought a new one, only mused about having one like that again.

> > And: "2 Tablespoons of corn starch" are required. I wonder whether
> > something awful would happen if I use potato starch instead.

> I think you just need a thickener, so any kind of starch or flour
> would do.

Good. I'll use starch, though, then. It sometimes gives crumbliness to a cake,
and also makes cakes feel less fatty if much fat is to be used for mixing the
pastry.

> I love you, Kristin.:)

Uh-ah-oh. :) I thought you loved Tushar. I love you, too, and hope once they
(they all!) will make a long embarrassed queue at your door to offer you the
best jobs in the world.

Kristin

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
> that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has to
> say goat cheese on theirs.

I also heard about it some time ago. It is like the names of champagne and
cognac, I guess. So, we usually will have brandy and goat cheese, then. :)
What a combination! Or: who knows, maybe it tastes better than I can
imagine.

Kristin

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 08:11:02PM +0200, Kristin Sarv wrote:
= alyce cresap wrote:
=
= > I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
= > that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has to
= > say goat cheese on theirs.
=
= I also heard about it some time ago. It is like the names of champagne and
= cognac, I guess. So, we usually will have brandy and goat cheese, then. :)
= What a combination! Or: who knows, maybe it tastes better than I can
= imagine.
=
= Kristin

It keeps coming and going.  It looks like for now it holds, but
the Danes are suing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2267924,00.html

This is EU politics for you.

Besides, we like what gets called around here "Turkish cheese".

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=
= Me, too.
=
= Karen

What's the comma for?  What bit of subtlety am I missing here?

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Kristin Sarv said:
> > >  a spring form
>
> >  Well, with a springform pan, you make the pie or cake,
> > and then the pan is made to be removed from around the dish
>
> Aha, thank you. Once I had a spring form pan, then, but it leaked and I
> haven't bought a new one, only mused about having one like that again.

When I've used a springform pan, it's always with something with a
crust, so leaking hasn't been an issue. They are a useful thing to
have. Ligniere brought over all of his springform pans and left
them--I think there are 3 or 4. I didn't realize that there are so
many sizes.

> Good. I'll use starch, though, then. It sometimes gives crumbliness to a cake,
> and also makes cakes feel less fatty if much fat is to be used for mixing the
> pastry.

Huh. I've never used starch in a cake.

> > I love you, Kristin.:)
>
> Uh-ah-oh. :) I thought you loved Tushar.

I do love Tushar. I love many people.

> I love you, too, and hope once they (they all!) will make a long
> embarrassed queue at your door to offer you the best jobs in the
> world.

Thank you; this is a very nice wish.

Karen

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steph wrote:

> This is EU politics for you.

Thanks! A neat timing :)

Kristin

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Don't forget to check out Google--it's very cute today.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv said:
> I also heard about it some time ago. It is like the names of champagne and
> cognac, I guess. So, we usually will have brandy and goat cheese, then. :)
> What a combination! Or: who knows, maybe it tastes better than I can
> imagine.

Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
champagne vinegar. It's wonderful, wonderful stuff, and I have no idea
where to find some. I made salad dressing with balsamic vinegar, but
it tastes way, way too strong.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> I also worry about my eye.  Last year I was under order to not do that hike
> because it would increase the risk of a detached or torn retina.  I guess
> I'm still at risk.   On Monday I had an eye incident

>  But, still, the whole
> thing leaves me nervous.

Too bad!  Good that you did not go to the mountain, but sorry that you
*couldn't* (or more appropriately peraps, shouldn't)

Kristin

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steph said:
> = Me, too.
> =
> = Karen
>
> What's the comma for?  What bit of subtlety am I missing here?

What????? You said you wanted Slashdot-type moderation, and I agreed.

I put a comma there because I thought one belonged before 'too'. I'm
sure Boo or Mem can cite the rule. Though come to think of it, there's
usually more of a sentence before the 'too'...

Karen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >   She seems to think that anybody
> > not obsessed with food and cooking is <inferior>.
>
>  Never mind.

Karen and Natalie:

>> I didn't say that it was mean. I said that I didn't intend my comment
>> to be mean.
>
>You said twice that it was perhaps mean.  You said it near the beginning
>and then again in the "and this is the part that may be mean."  I stared
>at that posting wondering what you meant about its being (or possibly
>being) mean.

Uh-huh! Natalie's arguments are so... scrutinous, perhaps. If I ever dare to
intervene, I'd be lost. I hope my recent message on this theme was neutral enough.

Kristin

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I think I need to find someone to trade Japanese TV programs for
American ones.

I found an (unmarked) videotape somewhere, which turns out to be
several hours of unsubtitled Japanese soap opera. I'm really enjoying
it--I hate the subtitles, because I can't help but read them, and that
makes me concentrate less on the language.

Maybe what I need is DVDs where you can turn the subtitles on and
off.

Any ideas?

Karen

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=
= Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
=
= Karen

Is he coming back?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
> champagne vinegar.

Yummy! So it sounds.

Kr.

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steph said:
> It keeps coming and going.  It looks like for now it holds, but
> the Danes are suing.

Thank you, Danes.

> Besides, we like what gets called around here "Turkish cheese".

I like French feta, it has a milder taste.

Karen

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:26:28AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > = Me, too.
= > =
= > = Karen
= >
= > What's the comma for?  What bit of subtlety am I missing here?
I should have said                    ^grammatical

=
= What????? You said you wanted Slashdot-type moderation, and I agreed.
=
= I put a comma there because I thought one belonged before 'too'. I'm
= sure Boo or Mem can cite the rule. Though come to think of it, there's
= usually more of a sentence before the 'too'...
=
= Karen

I got your agreement.  I was just wondering what was wrong with "Me too."

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
> > I'm glad to know all this stuff.
> >
> > Karen
>
> I have them now and then.  The doctor
> doesn't seem concerned about it.

"Ocular migraine" sounds so awful. I thought it was something much more
*dangerous* than plain migraine; though the word "plain" seems not to fit
here, thinking of people's pain when having migraine.

Kristin

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Today is preserved lemon day. Also knife-sharpening day.:) (Not
necessarily in that order...)

Karen

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > >   She seems to think that anybody
> > > not obsessed with food and cooking is <inferior>.
> >
> >  Never mind.
>
> Karen and Natalie:
>
> >> I didn't say that it was mean. I said that I didn't intend my comment
> >> to be mean.
> >
> >You said twice that it was perhaps mean.  You said it near the beginning
> >and then again in the "and this is the part that may be mean."  I stared
> >at that posting wondering what you meant about its being (or possibly
> >being) mean.
>
> Uh-huh! Natalie's arguments are so... scrutinous, perhaps. If I ever dare to
> intervene, I'd be lost. I hope my recent message on this theme was neutral enough.

Well, no. You still think that people who find cooking like brushing
their teeth somehow think about it enough that they feel superior to
those who don't. I don't think that's a neutral statement at all.

Karen

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steph said:
> = Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
> =
> = Karen
>
> Is he coming back?

I hope so. He has a reservation to come back, but he's made noises
about needing to leave this country permanently. However, now that
he's away from here, I think he's fairly homesick for it, and I think
that's a good thing.

It's been interesting to watch him. I understand this whole expatriate
thing, having been one for a short time. It took me a long time to get
to the place where I didn't want to be one any more, but talking to
Ligniere and to Tushar have been making me think about it again.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
> > champagne vinegar.
>
> Yummy! So it sounds.

It was VERY good. We put some on the salad, then scarfed down nearly a
whole loaf of bread I made by dipping it in the leftovers. I suppose
this is the salad dressing in which I most want to bathe. (Mascarpone
is the cheese in which I most want to bathe...)

Karen

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 11:05:53 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  Hey, you could have come here. The elevator even started working
>>  again, just in the nick of time.
>
>I want to come to one of your xmas day parties.  Or do you sometimes
>have NY's day parties?  Then again, I can sometimes surprise myself and
>stay up super late.

I don't know if I'll start having the Christmas Day parties again
anytime soon. However, this place works so well for entertaining that
I'm sure I'll be having other parties here, and you can come to those.

Janet

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steph said:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:26:28AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > = Me, too.
> = > =
> = > = Karen
> = >
> = > What's the comma for?  What bit of subtlety am I missing here?
> I should have said                    ^grammatical

I think I understood that.

> =
> = What????? You said you wanted Slashdot-type moderation, and I agreed.
> =
> = I put a comma there because I thought one belonged before 'too'. I'm
> = sure Boo or Mem can cite the rule. Though come to think of it, there's
> = usually more of a sentence before the 'too'...
> =
> = Karen
>
> I got your agreement.  I was just wondering what was wrong with "Me too."

Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!

Karen

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Kristin Sarv said:
> "Ocular migraine" sounds so awful. I thought it was something much more
> *dangerous* than plain migraine; though the word "plain" seems not to fit
> here, thinking of people's pain when having migraine.

Ocular migraines are pain-free sparkling lights.

Karen

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>  > Words-L hall of shame:

<list snipped>

By which I presume that Mr. Toal has protected his tender
sensibilities by killfiling me. Ah, well.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Wait -- I thought you lived in Tallinn.

I used to live there from my birth till I came to the university in Tartu.
Now I live here.

But I also owe you an answer since 6 Nov when you wrote:

>The people were friendly, I adored
>the Old City (which I realize is probably more of a tourist attraction
>now than being representative of <real Tallinn>), and I would like to
>have seen more of the city.
>
>I remember when the boat
>was docking that I looked out at the nearby streets and thought, "I
>wonder whether Kristin drives along those streets."

As much as I could find in these old messages now I evidently was there a
day after you were (I mix up the dates now). So I did not have to weep after
reading about your being there, "oh why didn't we meet!" For I was on my way
to Tallinn on a ship on that day, yet.

But as to the Old City, for me it is certainly one of the most important and
dear places in Tallinn. Now that I do not live there I tend to be almost
euphoric when walking on its streets, I tend to chat with shop assistants or
gallery keepers -- too much. I cannot say that I know its architectural
history well, but I'm fond of these old building-stones, some from the 12th
century (one or two houses, I guess), most from the 13th-14th centuries. I
guess many Tallinn inhabitants feel about the Old Town about the same way.

<Real Tallinn> -- well, there are both very nice, nice and ugly, and very
ugly places, but what makes Tallinn what it is for me these are the very
nice, nice, and also some somewhat uglier places.

Kristin

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'Gleanings from a book: _WWII: 4139 Strange and Fascinating Facts_

heh heh heh ... Bet'cha didn't know that:

Billy Joel's father survived Dachau...

or that Sophia Loren's sister, Maria, married Benito Mussolini's son...

or that Paul Lynde's mother died upon hearing that her other son, Cordy, was
lost during the Battle of the Bulge...

Marcel Marceau's father was taken hostage and executed by the Germans, and
Marcel and his brother joined the French underground in 1944...

Lee Marvin enlisted in the Marines at age 17, assaulted 21 beaches with the
4th Div., and in the battle of Saipan only he and 5 others survived out of a
unit numbering 247...  Hmmm... The Lucky Half-Dozen... (as opposed to The
Dirty Dozen, in which he stars)

Paul Newman failed the physical for Naval Air Corps Officers' Training
School at Yale due to color blindness.  He served during the war as a radio
man, and gunner on torpedo planes in the Pacific.

Richard Nixon served at Quonset Point, Rhode Island, in the Navy.  (About 10
miles away from me right now)

David Niven was one of the first to land at Normandy on D-Day with the U.S.
1st Infantry Div..  He also acted as a double for Field Marshall Bernard
Montgomery.

Carroll O'Connor served as a Merchant Marine in the North Atlantic during
the war, sailing on 14 different ships.

Sidney Poitier lied about his age to get in the Navy, and was assigned to
1267th Medical Detachment, an all-black unit.  He served over a year and was
eventually discharged, all prior to his 18th birthday  ;-)

Basil Rathbone tried to join the British military in 1939, but was declined
due to his age; he was 47  :-\

Then Capt. Ronald Reagan signed Maj. Clark Gable's discharge papers in June
of 1944 at Culver City, California.

Don Rickles served in the Navy aboard a PT Boat Tender.

Jason Robards served as a radio operator in the Navy at Pearl Harbor on Dec.
7th, 1941.  He later appeared in Tora Tora Tora... During the war, he fought
in 13 major engagements, and had 2 cruisers torpedoed out from under him.

Will Rogers fought in many major battles in France and Germany including the
Battle of the Bulge, earning Purple Heart and a Bronze Star medals.

Sue Manning's father, Maj. Dickenson, piloted bombers in the south west
Pacific, and won the Bronze Star in action over the Philippines.

Charles Shultz served as a sergeant of a light machine-gun squad in the 20th
Armored Div. in Europe.

Peter Sellers was a corporal in Royal Air Force.

Rod Serling was seriously wounded during the liberation of Manila.  He was a
supah dupah paratrooper in the 11th Airborne Div., jumping into Tagatay.

Eric Sevareid bailed out of a crippled aircraft over the Himalayas and lived
with a tribe of headhunters for a month.  He was present at the liberation
of Paris in 1944.

Red Skelton was drafted into the Army in March of 1945.  He would later
claim to be the only celebrity to enter and leave the service as a private
;-)

The Smothers Brothers father, Maj. Thomas B. Smothers, died as a prisoner on
a Japanese prison ship enroute to Japan during the war.

Rod Steiger lied about his age to enlist in the Navy.  He fought at Iwo Jima
and Okinawa among others.

Ulysses Simpson Grant III, grandson of Civil War General and later President
Grant, fought in both WWI and WWII.

Betty Grable's "million dollar legs" were actually only insured for
$250,000.

Clark Gable flew with B-17s over Germany to make training films.  Goering
heard of this and put a $5000 bounty on his head.

Glenn Ford filmed the landings at Normandy... he also filmed atrocities at
Dachau.  Cmdr. Ford later saw limited action in Vietnam.

Ian Fleming was Aide to the Chief of British Naval Intelligence.  His
designation was 17F.

Enrico Fermi won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1938, became a fugitive from
Hitler because he was Jewish, and was instrumental in research in the
Manhattan Project.

Albert Einstein fled Germany when Hitler took over the Government, traveling
to the U.S. where he wrote to President Roosevelt recommending he proceed
with atomic research.

Peter Falk had lost his right eye due to a tumor, but after memorizing the
eye chart, tried to enlist in the Marines.  They discovered his trick, and
let him into the Merchant Marines as a cook.

Kirk Douglas served with Anti-Submarine Unit 1139, and was hospitalized
after a depth charge detonated close to the vessel he was aboard.

Blake Edwards suffered out the war with a broken neck and back.

Walter Cronkite flew with the first B-17 raid over Germany.  He also
parachuted with the 101st in Operation Market Garden in the Netherlands in
1944.

Senator Alan Cranston, Kalifornia...  Prior to the U.S. entry in the war he
printed copies of Mein Kampf and sold over half a million copies for 10
cents each, before German lawyers obtained a court order to prevent printing
more.

Jacques Coutsteau developed the aqualung for the Navy during the war, and
helped clear the Mediterranean of mines after the war.

Arthur C. Clark taught radar and was in charge of the first GCA (ground
control approach) radar unit.

Julia Child served as a file clerk with the OSS in Washington, D.C.

Mel Brooks deactivated landmines in the Battle of the Bulge.

Ernest Borgnine enlisted in the Navy in 1935.  In WWII he was a gunner's
mate aboard a destroyer.

Niels Bohr was rescued from the Germans in 1943, and on the way out the door
he grabbed a beer bottle in which he had heavy water.  On the flight to
England he nearly died when his oxygen mask malfunctioned, and upon arrival
in England found that he had actually grabbed a bottle of beer.  He worked
at Los Alamos on the atomic bomb project.

James Arness was wounded in the leg at Anzio.

Desi Arnaz was offered a commission in the Cuban Army, but turned it down to
enlist in the U.S. Navy.  He was refused by the Navy because he was a
non-citizen, although non-citizens could be drafted.  He ended up in the
infantry after trying to join the air corps.

V.P. Spiro Agnew was a company commander in the 10th Armored Div. in Europe.
He won bronze star.

Jack Webb was trained as a B-26 pilot, but never left the states.

Jack Warner of Warner Brothers Studios had painted a huge sign on the
rooftops of his sound stages pointing the way to nearby Lockheed facilities
(so the Japanese would not mistakenly bomb his studios)  The sign, which
read "Lockheed thataway" was short lived.

Jack Warden was a paratrooper in the 101st.  On the last practice jump prior
to D-Day, he broke his leg, eliminating him from the invasion.  In the 1980
movie, A Private Battle, he portrayed Cornelius Ryan, who as a correspondent
did jump with the 101st on D-Day.

Mike Wallace served aboard a submarine tender.

My dad, Hadley Wild, served aboard the carrier Roosevelt and manned a 5"
gun.

My uncle, Oke Hornfeldt, served in Patton's 3rd Army as a rifleman.

My uncle, engineer and Capt. Ed Nans, helped to rebuild Europe's electrical
infrastructure after the war.  He told me a story once about this lucky dog
which had somehow survived the war, not ending up as dinner or as a
collateral casualty.  The dog lifted his leg on a welder as the workers were
up on a tower.  8-|   ewww... 'Makes me cringe.

;-)  'Alan

Airborne!

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:20:20 -0600
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Karen Kay wrote:

> steph said:

>>I got your agreement.  I was just wondering what was wrong with "Me too."
>>
>
> Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
> without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!


        Now I'm trying to figure this out.  I put together my grammar
unit yesterday, so I've been thinking about commas the past
couple of days.... I don't think it needs the comma, but I
think you put one in because the sentence structure is
similar to something like "They, too, thought the tradition
of eating peas for good luck was a silly superstition."

        Today I'm writing final exams.  Blech.  I'm trying to come up
with good essay questions that compare all the works we've
done.  It's really much more difficult than it seems because
I have to write questions that can be answered correctly on
a literal level for my I-hate-English students, and a
critical level for my more thoughtful students.  I think I'm
getting better at it, but nobody in Ed Skool ever tells you
that there is an art to writing a good essay question.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> As much as I could find in these old messages now I evidently was there a
> day after you were

No. A day before.

Kr.

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:50:53AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > = Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
= > =
= > = Karen
= >
= > Is he coming back?
=
= I hope so. He has a reservation to come back, but he's made noises
= about needing to leave this country permanently. However, now that
= he's away from here, I think he's fairly homesick for it, and I think
= that's a good thing.
=
= It's been interesting to watch him. I understand this whole expatriate
= thing, having been one for a short time. It took me a long time to get
= to the place where I didn't want to be one any more, but talking to
= Ligniere and to Tushar have been making me think about it again.
=
= Karen

I dunno.  It's hard.  I was thinking about this earlier today
when Bonnie was grumbling about not fitting in.  I don't fit in
either, and so for a long time it was good to have an automagic
excuse available to everyone all the time about why I didn't fit
in.  It's somehow much less personal to not fit in because I'm an
american vs a geek, fat, a woman, educated, etc.   And it's
always incredibly satisfying when someone's bashing americans and
then has to excuse themselves and say I don't count for some
reason.

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>Kristin Sarv said:
>>  "Ocular migraine" sounds so awful. I thought it was something much more
>>  *dangerous* than plain migraine; though the word "plain" seems not to fit
>>  here, thinking of people's pain when having migraine.
>
>Ocular migraines are pain-free sparkling lights.

Yep. I missed the whole middle of the movie "Magnolia" with one of
them -- not the chronological middle, but the center of the screen.
Very annoying.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I hope my recent message on this theme was neutral enough.
>
> Well, no. You still think that people who find cooking like brushing
> their teeth somehow think about it enough that they feel superior to
> those who don't. I don't think that's a neutral statement at all.

I was afraid of an answer like this. But I'll not be at a computer for two coming days,
to develop as thorough discussion with you as you've had with Natalie. :) (Aamf, I have
217 messages unread.) And soon it is time to leave home.

All  can say is that perhaps I feel superior to people who do not brush their teeth if I
ever knew anybody like that, at least if they live in the same kind of society as I do,
I mean, not as *so-to-say* primitive societies, in nature. I guess I feel superior even
without thinking about it.

I almost thought of taking back my words about good cooks, but then I remembered all
these oh-s and ah-s when baking or buying of birthday cakes was under discussion.

Does it help if I say that maybe I feel, at least sometimes, that good cooks are
superior of me? Especially if they are also interesting people. At least they are
superior of me in that field. Perhaps this "feeling superior to" is not the phrase I
would have used myself here (or not started this discussion at all). How much does
"being proud (of their skills)" embrace "feeling superior to others"? -- which I mean
more or less as rhetorical question that one asks oneself maybe now and then.

Kristin

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>You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
>I'm glad to know all this stuff.      --Karen

Did you have the greying out of vision and then it coming back?  That's the
one classic part that I didn't have.  I just had a V-shape of flashing
prisms at about 9:00 in my right eye.  It lasted for about ten or fifteen
minutes.  I could see it clearly with my eyes closed.  Then it faded away,
going off to the left like a flock of geese flying away.  He said all of
that was pretty classic.


    --bonniev

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steph said:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:50:53AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > = Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
> = > =
> = > = Karen
> = >
> = > Is he coming back?
> =
> = I hope so. He has a reservation to come back, but he's made noises
> = about needing to leave this country permanently. However, now that
> = he's away from here, I think he's fairly homesick for it, and I think
> = that's a good thing.
> =
> = It's been interesting to watch him. I understand this whole expatriate
> = thing, having been one for a short time. It took me a long time to get
> = to the place where I didn't want to be one any more, but talking to
> = Ligniere and to Tushar have been making me think about it again.
> =
> = Karen
>
> I dunno.  It's hard.

What's hard?

> I was thinking about this earlier today when Bonnie was grumbling
> about not fitting in.  I don't fit in either, and so for a long time
> it was good to have an automagic excuse available to everyone all
> the time about why I didn't fit in.  It's somehow much less personal
> to not fit in because I'm an american vs a geek, fat, a woman,
> educated, etc.  And it's always incredibly satisfying when someone's
> bashing americans and then has to excuse themselves and say I don't
> count for some reason.

Mais oui.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > steph said:
>
> >>I got your agreement.  I was just wondering what was wrong with "Me too."
> >>
> >
> > Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
> > without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!
>
>
>         Now I'm trying to figure this out.  I put together my grammar
> unit yesterday, so I've been thinking about commas the past
> couple of days.... I don't think it needs the comma, but I
> think you put one in because the sentence structure is
> similar to something like "They, too, thought the tradition
> of eating peas for good luck was a silly superstition."

I don't think so. I mean, I wouldn't confuse an internal 'too' with a
sentence-final, too.

>         Today I'm writing final exams.  Blech.  I'm trying to come up
> with good essay questions that compare all the works we've
> done.  It's really much more difficult than it seems because
> I have to write questions that can be answered correctly on
> a literal level for my I-hate-English students, and a
> critical level for my more thoughtful students.  I think I'm
> getting better at it, but nobody in Ed Skool ever tells you
> that there is an art to writing a good essay question.

HA! There is an art to writing tests at all, I think.

Karen

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> > Caffeine, nicotine, and exercise
> > are all suspects because they are vasoconstrictors.  I have resolved to
> > stop bumming cigarettes.
>
>For me, I think it was stress. (There were always big work things
>around the time of my migraines.)     --Karen

Yes, he  mentioned stress also.  He told me a story about two brothers who
owned a deli in NYC when he, Dr. Flynn, was in practice there.  Every so
often one of the brothers would call him.  Dr. Flynn could hear the other
brother crying in the background.   He would say:  "Did you have a big
fight with your brother over the business again?  Is that him crying with a
migraine?"   Yup.  That was always it.


    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv said:
> All can say is that perhaps I feel superior to people who do not
> brush their teeth if I ever knew anybody like that, at least if they
> live in the same kind of society as I do, I mean, not as *so-to-say*
> primitive societies, in nature. I guess I feel superior even without
> thinking about it.

Hm.

> Does it help if I say that maybe I feel, at least sometimes, that good cooks are
> superior of me?

I think that's implied--and that you feel this far more strongly,
probably, than a given cook. Certainly more than me.

> Especially if they are also interesting people. At least they are
> superior of me in that field. Perhaps this "feeling superior to" is not the phrase I
> would have used myself here (or not started this discussion at all). How much does
> "being proud (of their skills)" embrace "feeling superior to others"? -- which I mean
> more or less as rhetorical question that one asks oneself maybe now and then.

I don't think that being proud of your skills at all implies feeling
superior to others. And I think that's an excellent point.

Karen

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>"NOT a spring form pan," Bonnie warned. Is this a pan that may change
>its form when filled with pastry* ? Something soft or elastic?

A spring form pan is one that has a solid bottom which detaches from the
sides.  The sides hug the bottom and are secured by a spring that clamps
shut or open.  The reason you don't want to use that is because it isn't a
very secure fit and thus the pan can't be put into a larger pan of water
which is what the recipe calls for.  The water would leak into a spring
from pan.

>And: "2 Tablespoons of corn starch" are required. I wonder whether
>something awful would happen if I use potato starch instead.
>Kristin

Probably.  Corn starch is used as a thickener in gravy and things like that.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay said:
> Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
> without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!

I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
I think this is the same case as "Me, too."

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Karen Kay said:
>
>>Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
>>without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!
>>
>
> I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
> I think this is the same case as "Me, too."

        What's the rule for that?



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> > You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
> > I'm glad to know all this stuff.   --Karen
>
>I have them now and then.  The doctor
>doesn't seem concerned about it.
>             - D. M.

I realize that most people don't know what is all wrong with their
eyes.  And perhaps they are the better for it.  But I've found myself in
the hands of a really good specialist.  Thus I think I'm going to be stuck
with lots of follow-ups and continuing care.   Probably it's a good
thing.  But possibly it's an unnecessary, ongoing expense.  But vision is a
good thing to have.  I have all kinds of things wrong with this eye.  I
have a macular dimple.  I have paving stone something or other.  I'm very
near-sighted.  I did have a retinal tear and thus I now fit into a whole
different "watch closely" category.  Etc. etc.


    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

>  It is like the names of champagne and
> cognac, I guess.

And vidalia onions.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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steph wrote:
>
> =
> = Me, too.
> =
> = Karen
>
> What's the comma for?  What bit of subtlety am I missing here?

A punctuation rule -- but one that I think is usually ignored in "me
too."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> sure Boo or Mem can cite the rule. Though come to think of it, there's

The rule is quite simple:  put a comma before "too" or "also" at the end
of a sentence.  Or at least that's the way I remember it.

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bonniev wrote:

> A spring form pan is

>  Corn starch is used

Thank you. I guess I'm ready to try your recipe soon after coming back from
Tallinn. I only have to calculate ounces and pounds. Oh no, only pounds to
grammes, for on my measure glass there must be ounces marked as well.

At all these subjects my stomach gets emptier and emptier. OK, I am not going to
delete the sentence which I just translated literally in my mind for 'getting
even hungrier'.

Kristin

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At 10:41 AM 1/1/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>Today is preserved lemon day. Also knife-sharpening day.:) (Not
>necessarily in that order...)

..and do you have Krazy Glue handy?

cwv

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>"Ocular migraine" sounds so awful. I thought it was something much more
>*dangerous* than plain migraine; though the word "plain" seems not to fit
>here, thinking of people's pain when having migraine.
>Kristin

It's not so awful.  The biggest difference is that there is no pain with an
ocular migraine.  You get the vision phenomena without the resulting headache.


    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> As much as I could find in these old messages now I evidently was there a
> day after you were (I mix up the dates now). So I did not have to weep after
> reading about your being there, "oh why didn't we meet!" For I was on my way
> to Tallinn on a ship on that day, yet.

Oh good.  That makes me feel better also -- that I didn't plan in
advance so that we could meet (though I did have it in my head that you
were not quite back yet from your trip).

> But as to the Old City, for me it is certainly one of the most important and
> dear places in Tallinn. Now that I do not live there I tend to be almost
> euphoric when walking on its streets, I tend to chat with shop assistants or
> gallery keepers -- too much. I cannot say that I know its architectural
> history well, but I'm fond of these old building-stones, some from the 12th
> century (one or two houses, I guess), most from the 13th-14th centuries. I
> guess many Tallinn inhabitants feel about the Old Town about the same way.

I liked the friendly shopkeepers also.  The whole area was pleasant in
every way.

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I hope I haven't missed *important* messages, and no messages addressed
to me. I had to delete a couple of hundreds, received during recent
days, which I couldn't read any more. I'll be back the day after
tomorrow or still a day later, either quietly lurking, or writing.

Happy-Nappy!

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> > As much as I could find in these old messages now I evidently was there a
> > day after you were
>
> No. A day before.

So you were in Tallinn the day before I was but then you were back in
Tartu when I was in Tallinn?

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 >getting better at it, but nobody in Ed Skool ever tells you
 >that there is an art to writing a good essay question.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

You're kidding!   I took Tests and Measurements some 30+ years ago and I
remember them saying that then.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Today I'm writing final exams.  Blech.  I'm trying to come up

So they have separate semesters?  Are they really separate, as in you
will have different students the next semester, or are they just
semi-separate?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Karen Kay said:
> >
> >>Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
> >>without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!
> >>
> >
> > I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
> > I think this is the same case as "Me, too."
>
>         What's the rule for that?

I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."

http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm

Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
don't give this particular example.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >  It is like the names of champagne and
> > cognac, I guess.
>
> And vidalia onions.

Are those protected internationally?

Karen

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>And it's
>always incredibly satisfying when someone's bashing americans and
>then has to excuse themselves and say I don't count for some
>reason.  --steph

Is it?  Doesn't that then make you think that you wouldn't fit in if you
came back to America either?   When I was musing on all this, I came to the
conclusion that it's a rather classic problem to feel like one doesn't fit
in.  Novels are written about it.  Poetry is written about it.  The whole
"you can't go home again" thing is about that.  I know I wouldn't fit in at
all in my home town in Wisconsin, at least not among the class of people in
which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
SnowBash.


    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv said:
> I only have to calculate ounces and pounds. Oh no, only pounds to
> grammes, for on my measure glass there must be ounces marked as well.

This is what I hate most about using European recipes.

A kilo is 2.2 pounds; 500g is about 1.1 pounds. Some people use 450g
for a pound. That's about all I know off the top of my head; anything
requires pencil and paper.

> At all these subjects my stomach gets emptier and emptier. OK, I am not going to
> delete the sentence which I just translated literally in my mind for 'getting
> even hungrier'.

But the way you wrote it is more charming.

Karen

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 11:39:03AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:50:53AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= > = steph said:
= > = > = Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
= > = > =
= > = > = Karen
= > = >
= > = > Is he coming back?
= > =
= > = I hope so. He has a reservation to come back, but he's made noises
= > = about needing to leave this country permanently. However, now that
= > = he's away from here, I think he's fairly homesick for it, and I think
= > = that's a good thing.
= > =
= > = It's been interesting to watch him. I understand this whole expatriate
= > = thing, having been one for a short time. It took me a long time to get
= > = to the place where I didn't want to be one any more, but talking to
= > = Ligniere and to Tushar have been making me think about it again.
= > =
= > = Karen
= >
= > I dunno.  It's hard.
=
= What's hard?
=
= > I was thinking about this earlier today when Bonnie was grumbling
= > about not fitting in.  I don't fit in either, and so for a long time


What's hard is both being an expat and not fitting in.  I mean,
there are some familial support issues going on here that may or
may not have come up if I'd only lived 2000 miles away instead of
5600.  The Atlantic is also some kind of mental barrier.  And I'm
a lot more of an introvert and a recluse than some people around
here.  That makes building up a network or feeling with it a lot
more difficult.  That's hard.  Plus I've got double plus
introvert expat because I'm here with Patrick.

If it were all bad, and too hard, we probably wouldn't stay
though.

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 10:41 AM 1/1/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> >Today is preserved lemon day. Also knife-sharpening day.:) (Not
> >necessarily in that order...)
>
> ..and do you have Krazy Glue handy?

I have liquid bandaid. And no fear.:)

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> It's not so awful.  The biggest difference is that there is no pain with an
> ocular migraine.  You get the vision phenomena without the resulting headache.

Lacking pain is a relief. Its seeming danger to develop as a disease to something
worse is not.

I hope doctors are able to help you with both that migraine and retina. Or that
the state of your eyes will stabilize (I am not sure whether this is such a good
thing to wish, though).

Kristin

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bonniev said:
> >You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
> >I'm glad to know all this stuff.      --Karen
>
> Did you have the greying out of vision and then it coming back?  That's the
> one classic part that I didn't have.  I just had a V-shape of flashing
> prisms at about 9:00 in my right eye.  It lasted for about ten or fifteen
> minutes.  I could see it clearly with my eyes closed.  Then it faded away,
> going off to the left like a flock of geese flying away.  He said all of
> that was pretty classic.

Mine have been in both eyes, lasted 10-20 minutes. No greying that I
remember, just flashing and... pixilating, for lack of a better word.

Question for geeks:  Is it pixilate or pixelate?

Karen

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> How much does
> "being proud (of their skills)" embrace "feeling superior to others"? -- which I mean
> more or less as rhetorical question that one asks oneself maybe now and then.

In spite of its being a rhetorical question, I think it's an interesting
one to answer.  It makes sense for people to be proud of their skills,
and it makes sense that people who are especially skillful in an area
would naturally feel superior in that area.  I think I mentioned
waterskiing last night.  I knew that my skiing skills were superior to
those of most people I knew.  But those other people had other skills
that I didn't have.  I didn't feel <morally superior> and didn't look
down on those less skilled.  Was it <mean> for somebody (I don't
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could swim forever, but I can't hang miniblinds, much less wallpaper.
Nor can I knit.  (You should've seen those sad bedroom slippers I once
tried to knit many years ago!)

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bonniev said:
> I realize that most people don't know what is all wrong with their
> eyes.

I don't think I have that much wrong with my eyes.

> And perhaps they are the better for it.  But I've found myself in
> the hands of a really good specialist.  Thus I think I'm going to be stuck
> with lots of follow-ups and continuing care.   Probably it's a good
> thing.  But possibly it's an unnecessary, ongoing expense.  But vision is a
> good thing to have.  I have all kinds of things wrong with this eye.  I
> have a macular dimple.  I have paving stone something or other.  I'm very
> near-sighted.  I did have a retinal tear and thus I now fit into a whole
> different "watch closely" category.  Etc. etc.

I think having the retinal tear would make me very, very nervous and
I'd be running to the best specialist I could find. IOW, behaving like
you.

Karen

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>bonniev wrote:
> > It's not so awful.  The biggest difference is that there is no pain with an
> > ocular migraine.  You get the vision phenomena without the resulting
> headache.
>
>Lacking pain is a relief. Its seeming danger to develop as a disease to
>something
>worse is not.

No, it doesn't develop to a disease.  It's just that perhaps a disease
process is causing the ocular migraines.  But that's only a possibility.

>I hope doctors are able to help you with both that migraine and retina. Or
>that
>the state of your eyes will stabilize (I am not sure whether this is such
>a good
>thing to wish, though).       --Kristin

Thank you.   The migraine thing is probably nothing.  But the risk of
detached retina is serious.  Hopefully, it will stabilize, as you say.   I
am now at the point where I only need to be checked twice a year unless I
develop new symptoms.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        Today I'm writing final exams.  Blech.  I'm trying to come up
>>
>
> So they have separate semesters?  Are they really separate, as in you
> will have different students the next semester, or are they just
> semi-separate?


        Um, well, it's full year course, but sometimes kids switch
sections in between -- maybe a handful.  Most of my switches
will be between my own sections, so not a big deal for the
student.  The semesters are separate in terms of grades --
they get a clean slate for the spring semester (not that it
matters since students tend to perform at the same level
pretty consistently).

        I should have had a nice clean cut-off in terms of my units,
but I didn't plan it correctly, and all my classes are in
the middle of novels right now.  Oh well.  I'll do it better
next year.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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bonniev wrote:

>  >getting better at it, but nobody in Ed Skool ever tells you
>  >that there is an art to writing a good essay question.
>
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
>
> You're kidding!   I took Tests and Measurements some 30+ years ago and I
> remember them saying that then.


        Nope.  No separate class for assessment or class management.
  I never even wrote a test.  We did do some theory about
lower vs. higher order thinking, but nothing practical.  I
suppose it's one of those things you learn quickly during
student teaching, but I skipped that.  My experience is
atypical.



--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Karen Kay said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
>>>>without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
>>>I think this is the same case as "Me, too."
>>>
>>        What's the rule for that?
>>
>
> I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
> found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
> Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
>
> http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
>
> Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
> don't give this particular example.


        Don't growl at me -- that's the rule I was working off in my
theory about why you put the comma in!



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>Mine have been in both eyes, lasted 10-20 minutes. No greying that I
>remember, just flashing and... pixilating, for lack of a better word.
>Karen

He said that if mine had been in both eyes, I would not have had to come to
be checked on Monday.   The check was to make sure it was ocular migraine
and not a retina problem.  If it had been in both eyes, he would have known
for sure that it wasn't a retina detaching because the probability of a
simultaneous, dual retinal detachment is zero.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> And vidalia onions.

They must be something special, but googling didn't help me to get to
know how they are special. They look like onions should look like. (No
time to read any more about them, I only watched pictures.)

Kr.

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>Was it <mean> for somebody (I don't
>remember who) to suggest that Bonnie shouldn't apply to be on Survivor
>because she is lacking in the skill of swimming?  I don't think so.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

< I > was the one that pointed out my inability to swim and fear of
water.  So it wasn't mean.  I don't think you can be mean to yourself.  But
I know what you mean.  I remember not being particularly proud of my
ability in rowing and erging.  I just happen to have had the physiology for
it and the time and interest to train.


    --bonniev

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bonniev said:
> I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> SnowBash.

When people who know me ask why I like living in Texas, I explain that
Austin's unofficial motto is "Keep Austin Weird", and they immediately
say "Ah." I think I chose more wisely than I knew at the time.

I didn't feel that I didn't fit in in CA, but I think that people here
have a greater capacity for enjoyment, because they have more time. Or
maybe I didn't fit in in CA as well as I thought...

Karen

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 02:13:11PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Rita Chapman wrote:
=
= >         Today I'm writing final exams.  Blech.  I'm trying to come up
=
= So they have separate semesters?  Are they really separate, as in you
= will have different students the next semester, or are they just
= semi-separate?
=

We had separate semesters in my high school.  But that meant for
things like Adv Chem, which was a whole year, there were only 30
kids taking it anyway so you had the same class all year.  For
stuff like sophmore english, well, that would fit in everywhere
since all 700 of us had to take it, so it fell prey to whatever
else in your schedule came up.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >
> > > As much as I could find in these old messages now I evidently was there a
> > > day after you were
> >
> > No. A day before.
>
> So you were in Tallinn the day before I was but then you were back in
> Tartu when I was in Tallinn?

Yes

Kristin

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Messages keep coming, I read all that came before I started this one, I
must quickly send my nomail msg to Listserv, otherwise I won't get home. So
long!

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> I hope I haven't missed *important* messages, and no messages addressed
> to me. I had to delete a couple of hundreds, received during recent
> days, which I couldn't read any more. I'll be back the day after
> tomorrow or still a day later, either quietly lurking, or writing.
>
> Happy-Nappy!
>
> Kristin

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=
= I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
= found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
= Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
=
= http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
=
= Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
= don't give this particular example.
=
= Karen

What is parenthetical or transitional about agreement?

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steph said:
> What's hard is both being an expat and not fitting in.  I mean,
> there are some familial support issues going on here that may or
> may not have come up if I'd only lived 2000 miles away instead of
> 5600.  The Atlantic is also some kind of mental barrier.  And I'm
> a lot more of an introvert and a recluse than some people around
> here.  That makes building up a network or feeling with it a lot
> more difficult.  That's hard.  Plus I've got double plus
> introvert expat because I'm here with Patrick.

Ah. Got it.

> If it were all bad, and too hard, we probably wouldn't stay
> though.

Yup. There are bad things and good things both ways, and except for
little twinges now and then, I don't want to be an expat again.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
> champagne vinegar.

He's gone? Fled?

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> In spite of its being a rhetorical question, I think it's an interesting
> one to answer.  It makes sense for people to be proud of their skills,
> and it makes sense that people who are especially skillful in an area
> would naturally feel superior in that area.  I think I mentioned
> waterskiing last night.  I knew that my skiing skills were superior to
> those of most people I knew.  But those other people had other skills
> that I didn't have.  I didn't feel <morally superior> and didn't look
> down on those less skilled.  Was it <mean> for somebody (I don't
> remember who) to suggest that Bonnie shouldn't apply to be on Survivor
> because she is lacking in the skill of swimming?  I don't think so.  I
> could swim forever, but I can't hang miniblinds, much less wallpaper.
> Nor can I knit.  (You should've seen those sad bedroom slippers I once
> tried to knit many years ago!)

But the point you're forgetting is that the moral superiority is all
in your head. It's your projection of how I feel, not how I feel.

Karen

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > And vidalia onions.
>
> They must be something special, but googling didn't help me to get to
> know how they are special. They look like onions should look like. (No
> time to read any more about them, I only watched pictures.)

Sweeter

Karen

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At 10:29 PM 1/1/2003 +0200, kristin wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > And vidalia onions.
>
>They must be something special, but googling didn't help me to get to
>know how they are special. They look like onions should look like. (No
>time to read any more about them, I only watched pictures.)


They are "special" principally in the minds of those around Vidalia,
Georgia, USA, who grow and market them.  Vidalias are a sweet, white onion,
i.e., they have a mild, rather than a sharp, acrid taste, so they are
better for things like salads and any dishes where the onions are not
likely to be cooked for very long.  There must be ten or so varieties of
sweet onions grown in the USA, most of which have some geographic identifier.

FWIW, here, they market "baby Vidalias" early in the season (spring, early
summer)---these are like very large scallions.  Sliced, they are very good
on sandwiches and in salads.

cwv

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steph said:
> =
> = I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
> = found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
> = Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
> =
> = http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
> =
> = Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
> = don't give this particular example.
> =
> = Karen
>
> What is parenthetical or transitional about agreement?

In this case, it's transitional. That web page talks about 'too' in
the context of a paragraph: "Transitional elements are another type of
parenthetical. These give readers information about how ideas in
paragraphs are connected. We use commas to separate these elements
from the main sentence they appear in."

In this case, the 'context' is a conversation, not a paragraph. And
the way in which the sentences are related is that the 'too' refers
back to the original statement (that Words-l should be moderated like
Slashdot).

I do think that this rule is much clearer when what precedes the
transitional element is a whole sentence, not just one word.

Karen

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Karen Kay writes,

>Question for geeks:  Is it pixilate or pixelate?

Pixelated, but "pixilated" would be a good malapropism:

Function: adjective
Etymology: irregular from pixie
Date: 1848
1 : somewhat unbalanced mentally; also : BEMUSED
2 : WHIMSICAL

Pete

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Karen Kay said:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
> >>>>without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
> >>>I think this is the same case as "Me, too."
> >>>
> >>        What's the rule for that?
> >>
> >
> > I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
> > found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
> > Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
> >
> > http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
> >
> > Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
> > don't give this particular example.
>
>
>         Don't growl at me -- that's the rule I was working off in my
> theory about why you put the comma in!

Good for you, then.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> < I > was the one that pointed out my inability to swim and fear of
> water.  So it wasn't mean.  I don't think you can be mean to
> yourself.

I think you can be; Ligniere is extremely hard on himself, and it
makes me crazy.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >Mine have been in both eyes, lasted 10-20 minutes. No greying that I
> >remember, just flashing and... pixilating, for lack of a better word.
> >Karen
>
> He said that if mine had been in both eyes, I would not have had to come to
> be checked on Monday.

Aha! I remembered something about it possibly being a TIA if it were
in one eye.

> The check was to make sure it was ocular migraine
> and not a retina problem.  If it had been in both eyes, he would have known
> for sure that it wasn't a retina detaching because the probability of a
> simultaneous, dual retinal detachment is zero.

Even Cyclops' were serial.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Before he fled the country, Ligniere made a salad dressing with
> > champagne vinegar.
>
> He's gone? Fled?

Temporarily, I hope. Fled as in, he's very antiwar.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Karen Kay said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ah. I think it needs the comma. I don't know why. It looks naked
>>>>>>without. It looks overdressed with, though. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
>>>>>I think this is the same case as "Me, too."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       What's the rule for that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
>>>found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
>>>Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
>>>
>>>http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
>>>
>>>Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
>>>don't give this particular example.
>>>
>>
>>        Don't growl at me -- that's the rule I was working off in my
>>theory about why you put the comma in!
>>
>
> Good for you, then.


        :).


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On 1 Jan 2003 at 13:07, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Pixelated, but "pixilated" would be a good malapropism:

For a contrary view, see Bill Gates's dictionary, p. 1376.


    mem

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Peter Kaminski said:
> Karen Kay writes,
>
> >Question for geeks:  Is it pixilate or pixelate?
>
> Pixelated, but "pixilated" would be a good malapropism:

Okay.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I came across another sentence on the web:  "My father said so, too."
> > I think this is the same case as "Me, too."
>
>         What's the rule for that?

I think the way I learned it in elementary school or wherever was just
to put a comma before "too" or "also" at the end of a sentence.  But
basically it fits with the rule for sentence modifiers and other
whole-sentence markers -- the non-restrictive, non-essential,
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > >  It is like the names of champagne and
> > > cognac, I guess.
> >
> > And vidalia onions.
>
> Are those protected internationally?

I have no idea.  But it's the same principle as champagne, etc.  I don't
know precisely what the national law says, but I do know that the legal
territory is a good bit larger than just the town of Vidalia.

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Rita Chapman said:
> >>>>       What's the rule for that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
> >>>found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
> >>>Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
> >>>
> >>>http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
> >>>
> >>>Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
> >>>don't give this particular example.
> >>>
> >>
> >>        Don't growl at me -- that's the rule I was working off in my
> >>theory about why you put the comma in!
> >>
> >
> > Good for you, then.
>
>
>         :).

The reason I was ready to growl is because I knew they were the same
rule, but didn't know a) what the rule was or b) how to relate the 2
of them. Luckily I found something that satisfies me. Don't know about
stevie.

Karen

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 1 Jan 2003 at 13:07, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > Pixelated, but "pixilated" would be a good malapropism:
>
> For a contrary view, see Bill Gates's dictionary, p. 1376.

What is Bill Gates's dictionary?

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >And it's
> >always incredibly satisfying when someone's bashing americans and
> >then has to excuse themselves and say I don't count for some
> >reason.  --steph
>
> Is it?  Doesn't that then make you think that you wouldn't fit in if you
> came back to America either?

I don't see why it should.  I have had that same experience in
conversations with Europeans on various occasions, but I do not feel
that I don't fit in in this country.  I guess maybe I wouldn't fit in if
all the Americans I knew were of the <ugly American> ilk and were
believers in Dubya's war-mongering, etc.  But they're not.

>  When I was musing on all this, I came to the
> conclusion that it's a rather classic problem to feel like one doesn't fit
> in.  Novels are written about it.  Poetry is written about it.  The whole
> "you can't go home again" thing is about that.

You can't go home again because home isn't there anymore.  It would be
different and you would be different.

>  I know I wouldn't fit in at
> all in my home town in Wisconsin, at least not among the class of people in
> which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> SnowBash.

Yes.  Adam's living room is a comfort zone.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> But the point you're forgetting is that the moral superiority is all
> in your head. It's your projection of how I feel, not how I feel.

Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > And vidalia onions.
>
> They must be something special, but googling didn't help me to get to
> know how they are special. They look like onions should look like. (No
> time to read any more about them, I only watched pictures.)

I don't know one onion from another, but some people seem to.  I hear
people say things like, "Oh good.  The vidalias are in."  Why that's
good, I don't really know.  And I wouldn't know them from any other
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steph wrote:

> We had separate semesters in my high school.  But that meant for
> things like Adv Chem, which was a whole year, there were only 30
> kids taking it anyway so you had the same class all year.  For
> stuff like sophmore english, well, that would fit in everywhere
> since all 700 of us had to take it, so it fell prey to whatever
> else in your schedule came up.

We had only a few courses that were separate semesters -- as in one
could mix and match.  Solid, Trig, Government, and Economics were the
only ones I remember.  I think a good many people stuck with the same
general subject area -- like taking Solid & Trig or Gov't & Economics.
I mixed them.  I took Trig & Economics.

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Anyone here seen  -Rabbit Proof Fence-? I highly recommend it.
Loved the story, the acting, the colors in the country, the people
everything about it was great. Heartwarming in the best way. I'd
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steph wrote:
>
> =
> = I would growl at you (the page didn't specify the rule), but I just
> = found it: Commas are used to set off Parenthetical or Transitional
> = Elements. "But summer vacation is welcome, too."
> =
> = http://www.auburn.edu/english/ec/resources/howto1.htm
> =
> = Lots of web pages mention parenthetic/transitional elements, but they
> = don't give this particular example.
> =
> = Karen
>
> What is parenthetical or transitional about agreement?

The "too" is <outside> the main thrust of the sentence.  Even though
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:58:53AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar has made my list of "people I want near me if I'm stranded on a
> desert island", especially if that desert island is a large city. If
> you know what I mean.

I thank my mother

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>back to the original statement (that Words-l should be moderated like
>Slashdot).       --Karen

O.k.   I give up.  What is "Slashdot"?   And, Karen, does the fact that
your California coat is "way too big" mean that you have lost lots of
weight since you moved to Austin?  Are you skinny?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > But the point you're forgetting is that the moral superiority is all
> > in your head. It's your projection of how I feel, not how I feel.
>
> Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
> sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.

I was. What does that have to do with cooking, and where did I express
moral superiority?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
>
>>We had separate semesters in my high school.  But that meant for
>>things like Adv Chem, which was a whole year, there were only 30
>>kids taking it anyway so you had the same class all year.  For
>>stuff like sophmore english, well, that would fit in everywhere
>>since all 700 of us had to take it, so it fell prey to whatever
>>else in your schedule came up.
>>
>
> We had only a few courses that were separate semesters -- as in one
> could mix and match.  Solid, Trig, Government, and Economics were the
> only ones I remember.  I think a good many people stuck with the same
> general subject area -- like taking Solid & Trig or Gov't & Economics.
> I mixed them.  I took Trig & Economics.


        The electives and some of the math classes are one semester
classes.  The creative writing class is one semester -- I
hope to teach that next year.  Although WG doesn't require
that you specialize in any particular area, I'd like to
"own" that class -- it rotates right now.  I think my ideal
schedule next year would be creative writing, and some mix
of sections of the two sophomore classes I have right now
with a couple of them being CWC co-taught with Ellie.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>Aha! I remembered something about it possibly being a TIA if it were
>in one eye.       --Karen

God, I hope mine isn't that.  I just recently found out that my two older
siblings, aged 74 and 73, have had a series of strokes.  I'm a little young
for that at age 57.  And I did find a web page that said ocular migraines
are not an indicator for stroke.


    --bonniev

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Anyone here seen  -Rabbit Proof Fence-? I highly recommend it.
> Loved the story, the acting, the colors in the country, the people
> everything about it was great. Heartwarming in the best way. I'd
> even encourage my fellow anti-twee'r, Borkin, to see it.

I never even heard of it. Is it Strine?

Karen

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>Temporarily, I hope. Fled as in, he's very antiwar.
>Karen

Please tell us what nationality he is.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 09:06:47AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
> Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
> Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
> type of influence she would exert.

Man could we stop making such a big deal about it? I think
The Original Toal[tm]'s posts are hilarious. Although I did
misunderstand them for almost two years, I was freakin 22
at the time ... Constantly pissed people are cool ...

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > But the point you're forgetting is that the moral superiority is all
> > in your head. It's your projection of how I feel, not how I feel.
>
>Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
>sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.  Karen and I both called you lacking in self esteem.


    --bonniev

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On 1 Jan 2003 at 13:34, Karen Kay wrote:

> What is Bill Gates's dictionary?

_Encarta World English Dictionary_ (New York: St. Martin's Press,
1999).

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 11:09:41AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> > > Words-L hall of shame:
>
> <list snipped>
>
> By which I presume that Mr. Toal has protected his tender
> sensibilities by killfiling me. Ah, well.

Wow. I don't know how to react to people who are offended by
their exclusion from the hall of shame. We thank Graham Toal
again for eliciting surreally funny posts ...

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:19:03AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Don't forget to check out Google--it's very cute today.

Are you in love with the illustrator?

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:58:53AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar has made my list of "people I want near me if I'm stranded on a
> > desert island", especially if that desert island is a large city. If
> > you know what I mean.
>
> I thank my mother

Me, too.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >back to the original statement (that Words-l should be moderated like
> >Slashdot).       --Karen
>
> O.k.   I give up.  What is "Slashdot"?

"News for Nerds". http://slashdot.org/

> And, Karen, does the fact that
> your California coat is "way too big" mean that you have lost lots of
> weight since you moved to Austin?  Are you skinny?

Hahahaha.

No.

I bought this coat when I was at my largest, I guest, and it was a
little big. (It's 3X, I think.) I will never be skinny, but I have
worked my way out of the X's.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >Temporarily, I hope. Fled as in, he's very antiwar.
> >Karen
>
> Please tell us what nationality he is.

No.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > But the point you're forgetting is that the moral superiority is all
> > > in your head. It's your projection of how I feel, not how I feel.
> >
> >Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
> >sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Yes.  Karen and I both called you lacking in self esteem.

Which is a far different thing than declaring that I'm morally superior.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >Aha! I remembered something about it possibly being a TIA if it were
> >in one eye.       --Karen
>
> God, I hope mine isn't that.  I just recently found out that my two older
> siblings, aged 74 and 73, have had a series of strokes.  I'm a little young
> for that at age 57.  And I did find a web page that said ocular migraines
> are not an indicator for stroke.

Right--it's just that one can be mistaken for the other.

Karen

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>I bought this coat when I was at my largest, I guest, and it was a
>little big. (It's 3X, I think.) I will never be skinny, but I have
>worked my way out of the X's.
>Karen

Wow.  That's great.  Are you like an 18 or 16, then?  Good for you.


    --bonniev

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April, the friend who hiked up Cadillac this morning, just sent five .gifs
of the view of sunrise this morning from the mountain top.   I'm having
some difficult maintaining my happiness that I did not join her.  However,
she did not say what the road conditions were like.

    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:19:03AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Don't forget to check out Google--it's very cute today.
>
> Are you in love with the illustrator?

Oh, probably.

Are you jealous?:)

Karen

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Kristin:

>My obsession may sometimes be, or seem to be, trying to justify my not
>being very
>fond of cooking.

I love this!!! Happy New Year, Kristin.

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bonniev said:
> >I bought this coat when I was at my largest, I guest, and it was a
> >little big. (It's 3X, I think.) I will never be skinny, but I have
> >worked my way out of the X's.
> >Karen
>
> Wow.  That's great.  Are you like an 18 or 16, then?  Good for you.

Almost an 18, not quite a 20.

Karen

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bonniev:

>snow.  Then at 4:30 this morning it was below freezing.  What do you
>have?   A three mile long skating rink.   One would have had to be careful
>of each foot placement in the dark.  I'd have never made it to the top
>without falling and hitting my poor head.  I'm glad I didn't go.

Do you know if your friends went? I'm glad you decided to take
it easy. No point taking risks with eyes.

-ashmi


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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:50:53AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> It's been interesting to watch him. I understand this whole expatriate
> thing, having been one for a short time. It took me a long time to get
> to the place where I didn't want to be one any more, but talking to
> Ligniere and to Tushar have been making me think about it again.

You can't remain an expatriate for too long. Among the many, always-
changing reasons I had for moving and staying out, one is constant--
at home you are crushed under the burden of "high context". Away, you
are not. People misstate this by saying that you have Freedom To Do
Anything in America. Doubtless they have their reasons to believe so,
but it is BS ... What has happened to me is I think typical--the longer
I stay, the more I get tangled in the fabric, and the more "political"
I get (you can be political without being a social butterfly *of course*),
and then I feel more and more at home, which makes me interested in
looking at and criticizing more and more things. Now of course there
are dumbasses who think I am "a foreigner" criticizing a society without
having the authority to, but I bring that up only to contrast it with
what the heart knows--that you are moving under high-context and it's
beginning to pin you down. So--in the new year, no matter how much of
an asshole I seem like, I am going to be more anti-social. No parti-
cipating in anything for lame social "obligations". There are no such
obligations, outside of those that follow from the mere fact that you
live a public life part of the time. I mean you are obliged to pay
taxes and obey traffic lights etc ... But not e.g. do a freakin secret
santa just because you really like your friends. That's how I strove
to be in India and that's how I will be here. Otherwise I might as
well start thinking of moving to Iceland ...

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > But the point you're forgetting is that the moral superiority is all
> > > in your head. It's your projection of how I feel, not how I feel.
> >
> > Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
> > sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.
>
> I was. What does that have to do with cooking, and where did I express
> moral superiority?

It has quite a bit to do with cooking.  That was the whole topic, iirc.
As for moral superiority, first let me say that I don't remember having
ever said that you felt moral superiority.  I used that term in general,
not about you in particular.  I do think your tone in that discussion,
as well as other cooking-related discussions, was one of superiority,
however -- that you thought there was something <inferior> about eating
lettuce at the sink.  I don't remember your exact words, of course,
which means you will simply say that I'm imagining it all.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 08:21:57PM +0100, steph wrote:
> american vs a geek, fat, a woman, educated, etc.   And it's
> always incredibly satisfying when someone's bashing americans
> and then has to excuse themselves and say I don't count for
> some reason.

Why is it satisfying? It shouldn't be satisfying. They are
talking with some kind of assumption that your kind is one
in a million Americans. It's not.

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bonniev wrote:
> >Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
> >sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Yes.  Karen and I both called you lacking in self esteem.

Thank you, Bonniemae!  Yes.  I had foolishly assumed then that to say
that a habit indicated a lack of self esteem was a negative view.  Now I
realize that that's not what Karen meant at all.  That it was simply
<neutral> -- that self esteem or lack thereof isn't good or bad.  (I
never caught the connection with self esteem and eating habits, though.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Yes.  Karen and I both called you lacking in self esteem.
>
> Which is a far different thing than declaring that I'm morally superior.

I never said that you considered yourself *morally* superior.  I did say
that I thought you considered your eating habits superior to mine.  What
else would you mean re self esteem?  I didn't really understand it then
and don't now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 03:16:00PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> Is it?  Doesn't that then make you think that you wouldn't fit in if you
> came back to America either?   When I was musing on all this, I came to the
> conclusion that it's a rather classic problem to feel like one doesn't fit
> in.  Novels are written about it.  Poetry is written about it.  The whole
> "you can't go home again" thing is about that.  I know I wouldn't fit in at
> all in my home town in Wisconsin, at least not among the class of people in
> which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> SnowBash.

I can't find the damn book now, but there was a Philip Larkin poem
about this, which I remember because ... OK, I started this wrong.
When I went to Mumbai five years ago, I took his poems with me, to
give them a chance though I thought they were lame. For some reason
my mother asks me to read a few and translate (I mean she can speak
English, but it's a very foreign language and then you are talking
poetry). So I did my best, which made me read a bit more carefully,
and then my mother said those were GOOD poems, which made me stop
and think. Etc, and all in all now I think Philip Larkin is GREAT!

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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  Otherwise I might as
> well start thinking of moving to Iceland ...

But you would move into HC there and then have to extricate yourself
again by moving on.  Wouldn't you run out of countries after a while?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Is it possible for me to obtain your home mailing address? (Not office.)

Thanks,
Bethany

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Janet Hardy wrote:

>
> By which I presume that Mr. Toal has protected his tender
> sensibilities by killfiling me. Ah, well.

Hey if that's true he hates me too / me, too!

Ann

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> Is it possible for me to obtain your home mailing address? (Not office.)

Indeed it is:

Box 31
Mississippi State, MS 39762

--
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 04:59:15PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Otherwise I might as well start thinking of moving to Iceland ...
>
> But you would move into HC there and then have to extricate yourself
> again by moving on.  Wouldn't you run out of countries after a while?

Scary, isn't it ...

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Natalie Maynor said:
> It has quite a bit to do with cooking.  That was the whole topic, iirc.

It was eating, I thought--'the dining experience'.

> As for moral superiority, first let me say that I don't remember having
> ever said that you felt moral superiority.  I used that term in general,
> not about you in particular.

Thank you.

> I do think your tone in that discussion,
> as well as other cooking-related discussions, was one of superiority,
> however -- that you thought there was something <inferior> about eating
> lettuce at the sink.  I don't remember your exact words, of course,
> which means you will simply say that I'm imagining it all.

Well, yes. This is clearly how YOU felt, not what I said. IOW, it's
all about you, not at all about me.

Karen

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>Do you know if your friends went? I'm glad you decided to take
>it easy. No point taking risks with eyes.       -rashmi

Yes, they went.  April sent me .gifs this afternoon and writes this:
------------
It WAS icy but the secret is "ICE CLEATS"! Without them it would be ruff. I
never leave home without them in the winter. Don't you have any? Jerry
didn't have any. I had a spare pair that I made him stick in his back pack.
He didn't want to put them on. He fell very shortly after we got started
up. He put the cleats on and never even slipped once. They do the trick.
You could actually jog in them.
It was really nice. I wish you would've called me. I actually had another
extra pair of cleats. I have 3 pair all together.
Think about it for next year.
Me in Maine and happy as a clam in mud
-------------

I do have those ice cleats.  But I'm not as confident as she is in
them.  I've slipped even in ice cleats.  But not fallen.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > But you would move into HC there and then have to extricate yourself
> > again by moving on.  Wouldn't you run out of countries after a while?
>
> Scary, isn't it ...

Maybe not.  If you take your life expectancy and divide it by the number
of years you think it takes to slip into HC life, it might not turn out
to be an impossible number of different countries.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> bonniev wrote:
> > >Uh huh.  I wish I could remember now that discussion a while back about
> > >sink-eating.  I'm pretty sure you were involved in it.
> > >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
> >
> > Yes.  Karen and I both called you lacking in self esteem.
>
> Thank you, Bonniemae!  Yes.  I had foolishly assumed then that to say
> that a habit indicated a lack of self esteem was a negative view.  Now I
> realize that that's not what Karen meant at all.  That it was simply
> <neutral> -- that self esteem or lack thereof isn't good or bad.

I *don't* think lack of self-esteem is a good thing. But I don't claim
moral superiority in such areas at all. Jeeze! I define myself through
my work, and I haven't worked for a year!

Karen

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 05:11:22PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > But you would move into HC there and then have to extricate yourself
> > > again by moving on.  Wouldn't you run out of countries after a while?
> >
> > Scary, isn't it ...
>
> Maybe not.  If you take your life expectancy and divide it by the number
> of years you think it takes to slip into HC life, it might not turn out
> to be an impossible number of different countries.

If you insist ...

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I do think your tone in that discussion,
> > as well as other cooking-related discussions, was one of superiority,
> > however -- that you thought there was something <inferior> about eating
> > lettuce at the sink.  I don't remember your exact words, of course,
> > which means you will simply say that I'm imagining it all.
>
> Well, yes. This is clearly how YOU felt, not what I said. IOW, it's
> all about you, not at all about me.

Uh huh.  So what did you mean by lacking self esteem?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>So--in the new year, no matter how much of
>an asshole I seem like, I am going to be more anti-social. No parti-
>cipating in anything for lame social "obligations". ... ... Otherwise I
>might as
>well start thinking of moving to Iceland ...

I think the thing is to move every seven years.   If you want to or
not.  Doesn't have to be to a completely different country, though.   I
think you should buy a bar in northern Wisconsin.


    --bonniev

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>Thank you, Bonniemae!  Yes.  I had foolishly assumed then that to say
>that a habit indicated a lack of self esteem was a negative view.  Now I
>realize that that's not what Karen meant at all.  That it was simply
><neutral> -- that self esteem or lack thereof isn't good or bad.  (I
>never caught the connection with self esteem and eating habits, though.)
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You are welcome.  The connection is that you will lay down dishes and cook
a fine meal served nicely for guests.  But you won't do it for
yourself.  That implies that you don't think you are worth as much as your
guests are.  You should value yourself so highly that you are willing to
cook something yummy most nights, put a placemat down at your table, light
a candle, use the silver, and sit down to have a proper meal.


    --bonniev

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Why's everyone getting bent outta shape about Graham's remarks?
There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
bored by my posts ...

Kudos to Karen for maintaining champion driveler status despite
visiting family, traveling etc. etc.

-rashmi

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I *don't* think lack of self-esteem is a good thing. But I don't claim
> moral superiority in such areas at all. Jeeze! I define myself through
> my work, and I haven't worked for a year!

(Leaving out the "moral," which isn't really relevant):  you say that
you don't consider your eating habits superior to mine, yet you think my
eating habits show a lack of self esteem.  Whatever it is you do mean is
obviously beyond my ability to comprehend.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> >You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines. So
> >I'm glad to know all this stuff.      --Karen
>
> Did you have the greying out of vision and then it coming back?
That's the
> one classic part that I didn't have.  I just had a V-shape of flashing
> prisms at about 9:00 in my right eye.  It lasted for about ten or
fifteen
> minutes.  I could see it clearly with my eyes closed.  Then it faded
away,
> going off to the left like a flock of geese flying away.  He said all
of
> that was pretty classic.
>
>
>     --bonniev

That describes mine pretty well.  The pattern of bright
colored lights starts out small and gradually grows larger
until it fades away.  I usually sit down in a chair, close
my eyes, and enjoy the show for about 20 minutes.
It can be an interesting meditation.

                       - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Yes.  Karen and I both called you lacking in self esteem.
> >
> > Which is a far different thing than declaring that I'm morally superior.
>
> I never said that you considered yourself *morally* superior.  I did say
> that I thought you considered your eating habits superior to mine.

You can think this all you want, Natalie. But please don't mistake
your thoughts for reality.

> What else would you mean re self esteem?  I didn't really understand
> it then and don't now.

http://members.aol.com/svennord/ed/GiftedGlossary.htm#SelfEsteem
defines self-esteem as "A subjective feeling of self-worth". I'd go
with that.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> >
> > By which I presume that Mr. Toal has protected his tender
> > sensibilities by killfiling me. Ah, well.
>
> Hey if that's true he hates me too / me, too!

i like commas

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Maybe not.  If you take your life expectancy and divide it by the number
> > of years you think it takes to slip into HC life, it might not turn out
> > to be an impossible number of different countries.
>
> If you insist ...

But the figuring might be complicated by the possibility that it
wouldn't take the same number of years in every country.  Do you think
it might take less time to slip into HC in Iceland, e.g., than in the
US?  More time?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> > occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> > SnowBash.
>
> I can't find the damn book now, but there was a Philip Larkin poem
> about this, which I remember because ... OK, I started this wrong.

I wonder if it is this one?

PLACES, LOVED ONES

No, I have never found
The place where I could say
This is my proper ground,
Here I shall stay;
Nor met that special one
Who has an instant claim
On everything I own
Down to my name;

To find such seems to prove
You want no choice in where
To build, or whom to love;
You ak them to bear
You off irrevocably,
So that it's not your fault
Should the town turn dreary,
The girl a dolt.

Yet, having missed them, you're
Bound, none the less, to act
As if what you settled for
Mashed you, in fact;
And wiser to keep away
>From thinking you still might trace
Uncalled-for to this day
Your person, your place.

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Bonnie:>
> A spring form pan is one that has a solid bottom which detaches from
the
> sides.  The sides hug the bottom and are secured by a spring that
clamps
> shut or open.  The reason you don't want to use that is because it
isn't a
> very secure fit and thus the pan can't be put into a larger pan of
water
> which is what the recipe calls for.  The water would leak into a
spring
> from pan.

The important thing about the spring form pan is that it
is put together properly.  The flat round bottom piece fits into
a groove around the base of the band that forms the sides,
and must fit just-so and then be locked with the clamp.  Then
the batter will not leak out of the pan.

I must have missed some of this posting.  Surely you are
not baking cheesecake in water?

                                               = D. M.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > I do think your tone in that discussion,
> > > as well as other cooking-related discussions, was one of superiority,
> > > however -- that you thought there was something <inferior> about eating
> > > lettuce at the sink.  I don't remember your exact words, of course,
> > > which means you will simply say that I'm imagining it all.
> >
> > Well, yes. This is clearly how YOU felt, not what I said. IOW, it's
> > all about you, not at all about me.
>
> Uh huh.  So what did you mean by lacking self esteem?

Why don't you look it up, and let me know when you've figured it out?

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I never said that you considered yourself *morally* superior.  I did say
> > that I thought you considered your eating habits superior to mine.
>
> You can think this all you want, Natalie. But please don't mistake
> your thoughts for reality.
>
> > What else would you mean re self esteem?  I didn't really understand
> > it then and don't now.
>
> http://members.aol.com/svennord/ed/GiftedGlossary.htm#SelfEsteem
> defines self-esteem as "A subjective feeling of self-worth". I'd go
> with that.

So we're back to the question I'm going to quit asking after this one
last time:  Why do you think my eating habits indicate a lack of self
esteem?  What is the <reality> that you think I'm mistaking my thoughts
for?  The <reality> I know about is that you said my eating habits
indicated a lack of self esteem.  My <thoughts> are that that was
intended as a negative judgment and that you thought your eating habits
were better.  Exactly how are my <thoughts> not in synch with the
<reality>?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > Anyone here seen  -Rabbit Proof Fence-? I highly recommend it.
> > Loved the story, the acting, the colors in the country, the people
> > everything about it was great. Heartwarming in the best way. I'd
> > even encourage my fellow anti-twee'r, Borkin, to see it.
>
>I never even heard of it. Is it Strine?

Yep.




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>That describes mine pretty well.  The pattern of bright
>colored lights starts out small and gradually grows larger
>until it fades away.  I usually sit down in a chair, close
>my eyes, and enjoy the show for about 20 minutes.
>It can be an interesting meditation.
>                        - D. M.

Yes, I laid down on my back on the living room floor and, even though I was
scared, I did enjoy the show.  It was only later, after I had called the
doctor's office, that I realized what had happened wasn't actually any of
the things that he told me to watch for with regard to a detaching
retina.  Understandably, any strange thing happening in that eye is cause
for concern.   Plus I've been told by Cyclops (where is he?) and others
that one must move quickly because the longer the detaching retina is
without a blood supply the less likely it is to recover good vision.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant said:
> You can't remain an expatriate for too long. Among the many, always-
> changing reasons I had for moving and staying out, one is constant--
> at home you are crushed under the burden of "high context". Away, you
> are not.

I don't think it's that easy. I really do think this is a culture
thang. I mean, I only lived in Japan for a few years, but because it's
high-context, I had all kinds of entanglements. Ditto for Hawaii in a
very short time.

> What has happened to me is I think typical--the longer
> I stay, the more I get tangled in the fabric, and the more "political"
> I get (you can be political without being a social butterfly *of course*),
> and then I feel more and more at home, which makes me interested in
> looking at and criticizing more and more things. Now of course there
> are dumbasses who think I am "a foreigner" criticizing a society without
> having the authority to, but I bring that up only to contrast it with
> what the heart knows--that you are moving under high-context and it's
> beginning to pin you down.

Hm... I think either you're misusing high-context, or I don't
understand it properly.

> So--in the new year, no matter how much of
> an asshole I seem like, I am going to be more anti-social. No parti-
> cipating in anything for lame social "obligations". There are no such
> obligations, outside of those that follow from the mere fact that you
> live a public life part of the time. I mean you are obliged to pay
> taxes and obey traffic lights etc ... But not e.g. do a freakin secret
> santa just because you really like your friends. That's how I strove
> to be in India and that's how I will be here. Otherwise I might as
> well start thinking of moving to Iceland ...

Ah.

I hope that our afternoon together didn't start you thinking you need
to be more anti-social.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

> think you should buy a bar in northern Wisconsin.

Did I mention that I had interesting conversations at a party not long
ago with two couples who own B&Bs in Columbus?  We didn't talk all that
much about B&B life, but I did think about how much I would hate to stay
in the B&B of one of the couples.  At least the female half of the
couple was just a bit too gushy and cloying.

--
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>I must have missed some of this posting.  Surely you are
>not baking cheesecake in water?
>  D. M.

Yes, I am.  And please don't call me Shirley.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I *don't* think lack of self-esteem is a good thing. But I don't claim
> > moral superiority in such areas at all. Jeeze! I define myself through
> > my work, and I haven't worked for a year!
>
> (Leaving out the "moral," which isn't really relevant):  you say that
> you don't consider your eating habits superior to mine, yet you think my
> eating habits show a lack of self esteem.  Whatever it is you do mean is
> obviously beyond my ability to comprehend.

I think it has to do your driving desire to put the worst possible
spin on anything I say. But whatever: you win.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
> You are welcome.  The connection is that you will lay down dishes and cook
> a fine meal served nicely for guests.  But you won't do it for
> yourself.  That implies that you don't think you are worth as much as your
> guests are.  You should value yourself so highly that you are willing to
> cook something yummy most nights, put a placemat down at your table, light
> a candle, use the silver, and sit down to have a proper meal.

Note your word "proper" there near the end.  Does this mean you consider
my style of eating <improper>?  Re the difference between serving dinner
to guests and serving it to myself, I think we went through that
earlier.  I see a huge difference.  A dinner party is a social event,
with the food as part of the socializing.  Eating is otherwise to me
simply a mechanical event, stoking the body's furnace.  I value myself
highly enough not to want to waste the time of fooling with cooking and
setting a placemat etc. when there are things I would much prefer to
spend my time on.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> > > occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> > > SnowBash.
> >
> > I can't find the damn book now, but there was a Philip Larkin poem
> > about this, which I remember because ... OK, I started this wrong.
>
> I wonder if it is this one?
>
> PLACES, LOVED ONES

Thanks very much for posting this.

Karen

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Box 31
>Mississippi State, MS 39762

That's your office address, right?

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor said:
> So we're back to the question I'm going to quit asking after this one
> last time:  Why do you think my eating habits indicate a lack of self
> esteem?

This has been answered repeatedly, most recently by Bonnie.

> My <thoughts> are that that was intended as a negative judgment and
> that you thought your eating habits were better.  Exactly how are my
> <thoughts> not in synch with the <reality>?

My comment was not intended as a comparison between your dining habits
and mine. That is my reality. Believe it or not, as you wish.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > Anyone here seen  -Rabbit Proof Fence-? I highly recommend it.
> > > Loved the story, the acting, the colors in the country, the people
> > > everything about it was great. Heartwarming in the best way. I'd
> > > even encourage my fellow anti-twee'r, Borkin, to see it.
> >
> >I never even heard of it. Is it Strine?
>
> Yep.

I'll put it on my list!

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Why's everyone getting bent outta shape about Graham's remarks?

Because I dislike holier-than-thou snottiness.  As I said in my reply to
him, why didn't he simply go away after lurking and finding us so
boring?  Why did he feel the need to tell us how boring we are?

> There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
> bored by my posts ...

No, I have not got to admit any such thing.  I do not consider it any
less interesting now than in its early days.  It was different in the
very early days in that it really was about language.  But Graham wasn't
on the list then.  So I guess he's talking about the early '90s or so.
I see no qualitative difference at all between then and now.  There are
some periods when I find it more interesting than other times, but I've
assumed that's because I find some topics more interesting that others.

--
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>
> Yes, they went.  April sent me .gifs this afternoon and writes this:
> ------------
> It WAS icy but the secret is "ICE CLEATS"! Without them it would be
ruff. I
> never leave home without them in the winter. Don't you have any? Jerry
> didn't have any. I had a spare pair that I made him stick in his back
pack.
> He didn't want to put them on. He fell very shortly after we got
started
> up. He put the cleats on and never even slipped once. They do the
trick.
> You could actually jog in them.
> It was really nice. I wish you would've called me. I actually had
another
> extra pair of cleats. I have 3 pair all together.
> Think about it for next year.
> Me in Maine and happy as a clam in mud
> -------------
>
> I do have those ice cleats.  But I'm not as confident as she is in
> them.  I've slipped even in ice cleats.  But not fallen.
>
>
>     --bonniev

Someone gave Gene for Xmas a pair of ice grippers.
They are rubber thingies that fit over your shoes and
grip the ice.  He says he will never use them.

                    - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>>Why's everyone getting bent outta shape about Graham's remarks?
>>
>
> Because I dislike holier-than-thou snottiness.  As I said in my reply to
> him, why didn't he simply go away after lurking and finding us so
> boring?  Why did he feel the need to tell us how boring we are?


        He has low self-esteem.  I bet he eats over the sink, too!


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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> >That describes mine pretty well.  The pattern of bright
> >colored lights starts out small and gradually grows larger
> >until it fades away.  I usually sit down in a chair, close
> >my eyes, and enjoy the show for about 20 minutes.
> >It can be an interesting meditation.
> >                        - D. M.
>
> Yes, I laid down on my back on the living room floor and, even though
I was
> scared, I did enjoy the show.  It was only later, after I had called
the
> doctor's office, that I realized what had happened wasn't actually any
of
> the things that he told me to watch for with regard to a detaching
> retina.  Understandably, any strange thing happening in that eye is
cause
> for concern.   Plus I've been told by Cyclops (where is he?) and
others
> that one must move quickly because the longer the detaching retina is
> without a blood supply the less likely it is to recover good vision.
>
>
>     --bonniev

That is true.  Flashing lights can be a symptom of a
detached retina and time is of the essence.  I know
someone who lost her vision this way.

                         - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Uh huh.  So what did you mean by lacking self esteem?
>
> Why don't you look it up, and let me know when you've figured it out?

Look up what?  Should I google for '"karen kay" "eating habits" "self
esteem"'?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Hm... I think either you're misusing high-context, or I don't
> understand it properly.

I don't think he's talking about HC vs LC cultures.  Even in LC cultures
people who become <entangled> with each other move into HC realms.

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Doris Markland said:
> Someone gave Gene for Xmas a pair of ice grippers.
> They are rubber thingies that fit over your shoes and
> grip the ice.  He says he will never use them.

Why? I think those are what Adam has and loves.

Karen

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>Yes, they went.  April sent me .gifs this afternoon and writes this:
>------------
>It WAS icy but the secret is "ICE CLEATS"! Without them it would be ruff. I
>never leave home without them in the winter. Don't you have any? Jerry
>didn't have any. I had a spare pair that I made him stick in his back pack.
>He didn't want to put them on. He fell very shortly after we got started
>up. He put the cleats on and never even slipped once. They do the trick.
>You could actually jog in them.
>It was really nice. I wish you would've called me. I actually had another
>extra pair of cleats. I have 3 pair all together.
>Think about it for next year.
>Me in Maine and happy as a clam in mud

Hiking in ice cleats! Something to look forward to...

-rashmi

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I *don't* think lack of self-esteem is a good thing. But I don't claim
> > > moral superiority in such areas at all. Jeeze! I define myself through
> > > my work, and I haven't worked for a year!
> >
> > (Leaving out the "moral," which isn't really relevant):  you say that
> > you don't consider your eating habits superior to mine, yet you think my
> > eating habits show a lack of self esteem.  Whatever it is you do mean is
> > obviously beyond my ability to comprehend.
>
> I think it has to do your driving desire to put the worst possible
> spin on anything I say. But whatever: you win.

Oh good.  A really helpful answer to the question of what you meant.
Iow, major cop-out.  I really was curious about what you meant, I might
add.  I'm not saying that I don't have low self esteem, btw, but I am
saying that I don't see what my eating habits have to do with it.
Bonnie's answer would make sense only in the context of assuming that
everybody had the same attitudes toward cooking/eating.  If it's
something you really love to do -- and I've known lots of people who do
love it -- who find cooking fun and relaxing and all kinds of things,
then sure it would make sense to come home and spend hours preparing a
fancy meal for yourself.  But that is not nutrionally necessary.  In
fact, I would guess that many people who cook fancy meals are eating
less well nutritionally than others who know how to eat <the right
things> but don't care about the hoopla of cooking and sitting down with
silver.  I consider many, many other things in life more interesting and
more important than diddling around in a kitchen for ages.  I consider
my time better spent on other things.  Why that indicates low self
esteem I will never understand since you apparently aren't going to
reveal what you meant.

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 05:18:55PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Maybe not.  If you take your life expectancy and divide it by the number
> > > of years you think it takes to slip into HC life, it might not turn out
> > > to be an impossible number of different countries.
> >
> > If you insist ...
>
> But the figuring might be complicated by the possibility that it
> wouldn't take the same number of years in every country.  Do you think
> it might take less time to slip into HC in Iceland, e.g., than in the
> US?  More time?

Who knows?

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> Doris Markland said:
> > Someone gave Gene for Xmas a pair of ice grippers.
> > They are rubber thingies that fit over your shoes and
> > grip the ice.  He says he will never use them.
>
> Why? I think those are what Adam has and loves.
>
> Karen

Old dog . . new tricks.

         - D. M.

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>type of influence she would exert.

Changing people is a sucker's game.

Janet
BTDT

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>Anne Toal wrote:
>>  Last year we left the tree up after January 1, and it was a very
>>unlucky year. Not fooling around with that stuff this time, no sir.
>
>I can't believe you did that last year!  I would have been terrified all
>year.

Last year we took the tree down around Dec. 27, and 2002 sucked
big-time. So the damn tree is still up, and will be up until Ben
comes home and helps me take it down.

Janet

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bonniev wrote:

>    Plus I've been told by Cyclops (where is he?) and others
> that one must move quickly because the longer the detaching retina is
> without a blood supply the less likely it is to recover good vision.

Absolutely.  (I don't mean I know about the specific medical details of
the retina in relation to blood, but I do know that time is crucial.)  I
was quite serious in that discussion with Betty before Wordquake about
eye help in the vicinity, and I was a bit nervous on the flights to SF.
My retina didn't tear, but I was in the critical period when it might
have after a big vitreal detachment or whatever the right term is.  (And
I am now going to an ophthalmologist once every three months, though I
think that's more about watching the glaucoma than about the vitreal
crisis that managed not to move into bad things.)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > So we're back to the question I'm going to quit asking after this one
> > last time:  Why do you think my eating habits indicate a lack of self
> > esteem?
>
> This has been answered repeatedly, most recently by Bonnie.

I saw Bonnie's answer (and replied/commented).  Haven't seen any others
of the repeated answers you mention.  The goblins must be eating my
incoming mail.

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>I think I need to find someone to trade Japanese TV programs for
>American ones.
>
>I found an (unmarked) videotape somewhere, which turns out to be
>several hours of unsubtitled Japanese soap opera. I'm really enjoying
>it--I hate the subtitles, because I can't help but read them, and that
>makes me concentrate less on the language.
>
>Maybe what I need is DVDs where you can turn the subtitles on and
>off.
>
>Any ideas?

I think "Princess Mononoke" is set up that way. Probably "Spirited
Away" will be too, when it comes out on video.

On a tangential note, I just got back from "Chicago" and absolutely
LOVED it. One of the best movie musicals ever. A must.

Janet

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >Box 31
> >Mississippi State, MS 39762
>
> That's your office address, right?

No, it's my personal address.  My office address is Drawer E, Miss.
State, MS 39762.

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Parma is going after the label 'Parmesan'.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > I *don't* think lack of self-esteem is a good thing. But I don't claim
> > > > moral superiority in such areas at all. Jeeze! I define myself through
> > > > my work, and I haven't worked for a year!
> > >
> > > (Leaving out the "moral," which isn't really relevant):  you say that
> > > you don't consider your eating habits superior to mine, yet you think my
> > > eating habits show a lack of self esteem.  Whatever it is you do mean is
> > > obviously beyond my ability to comprehend.
> >
> > I think it has to do your driving desire to put the worst possible
> > spin on anything I say. But whatever: you win.
>
> Oh good.  A really helpful answer to the question of what you meant.
> Iow, major cop-out.

Oh, I am <wounded>.

Karen

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Doris Markland said:
> > Doris Markland said:
> > > Someone gave Gene for Xmas a pair of ice grippers.
> > > They are rubber thingies that fit over your shoes and
> > > grip the ice.  He says he will never use them.
> >
> > Why? I think those are what Adam has and loves.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Old dog . . new tricks.

Gotcha.

Karen

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>Why's everyone getting bent outta shape about Graham's remarks?
>There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
>that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
>bored by my posts ...

Who's bent out of shape? I'm certainly not: he's right, things are
often very tedious around here. When it gets too dull, I go away for
a while until I start to miss you all, then I come back. No
particular reason to announce it, though.

Janet

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Anne Toal wrote:
> >>  Last year we left the tree up after January 1, and it was a very
> >>unlucky year. Not fooling around with that stuff this time, no sir.
> >
> >I can't believe you did that last year!  I would have been terrified all
> >year.
>
> Last year we took the tree down around Dec. 27, and 2002 sucked
> big-time. So the damn tree is still up, and will be up until Ben
> comes home and helps me take it down.

I'm torn. I want to leave my wreath up till the Last Possible Minute,
but it's seriously drying out, and garbage only gets collected
once/week. So that minute may be 8:30 tomorrow morning.:(

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > So we're back to the question I'm going to quit asking after this one
> > > last time:  Why do you think my eating habits indicate a lack of self
> > > esteem?
> >
> > This has been answered repeatedly, most recently by Bonnie.
>
> I saw Bonnie's answer (and replied/commented).  Haven't seen any others
> of the repeated answers you mention.  The goblins must be eating my
> incoming mail.

Perhaps, or perhaps you've forgotten the previous times I said more or
less the same thing that Bonnie said.

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> I think "Princess Mononoke" is set up that way. Probably "Spirited
> Away" will be too, when it comes out on video.

These are anime, right? I loathe anime.

> On a tangential note, I just got back from "Chicago" and absolutely
> LOVED it. One of the best movie musicals ever. A must.

Cool. This is the one with Richard Gere, right?

Karen

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 16:25:33 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: itty bitty grapefruit
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On my way back from my mom's house a couple of weeks ago, I stopped
at a produce stand in Santa Paula to stock up. One of the things I
bought was a kind of grapefruit I'd never seen before -- the size of
a large orange, and bright green. I just got around to eating one
today; I just peeled it and broke it into sections like an orange. It
was very good -- not quite as strongly flavored as red or white
grapefruit, but very sweet and juicy. Has anybody seen/tried these?

Janet

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>No, it's my personal address.  My office address is Drawer E, Miss.
>State, MS 39762.

Thanks. If one wanted to have an item delivered to your home, where would
one send it? IOW do you have a <home> as opposed to a <personal>
address? A street address as opposed to a drawer/box address?

Bethany

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 03:22:14PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> > > occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> > > SnowBash.
> >
> > I can't find the damn book now, but there was a Philip Larkin poem
> > about this, which I remember because ... OK, I started this wrong.
>
> I wonder if it is this one?

I'm touched. It might have been this, there are a few which sound
the same ...


> PLACES, LOVED ONES
>
> No, I have never found
> The place where I could say
> This is my proper ground,
> Here I shall stay;
> Nor met that special one
> Who has an instant claim
> On everything I own
> Down to my name;
>
> To find such seems to prove
> You want no choice in where
> To build, or whom to love;
> You ak them to bear
> You off irrevocably,
> So that it's not your fault
> Should the town turn dreary,
> The girl a dolt.
>
> Yet, having missed them, you're
> Bound, none the less, to act
> As if what you settled for
> Mashed you, in fact;
> And wiser to keep away
> >From thinking you still might trace
> Uncalled-for to this day
> Your person, your place.

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 16:30:37 -0800
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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  I think "Princess Mononoke" is set up that way. Probably "Spirited
>>  Away" will be too, when it comes out on video.
>
>These are anime, right? I loathe anime.

Yes, they're anime, but definitely of a different level than most
anime. "Spirited Away" in particular is worthy of your attention,
whether or not you like the genre.

>  > On a tangential note, I just got back from "Chicago" and absolutely
>>  LOVED it. One of the best movie musicals ever. A must.
>
>Cool. This is the one with Richard Gere, right?

Yes. Also Renee Zellweger and Catherine Zeta-Jones. And, best of all,
Queen Latifah as Mama Morton.

Janet

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 04:07:16PM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> >Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
> >Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
> >Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
> >type of influence she would exert.
>
> Changing people is a sucker's game.
>
> Janet
> BTDT

wheres my tylenol

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Rita Chapman wrote:
> > Because I dislike holier-than-thou snottiness.  As I said in my reply to
> > him, why didn't he simply go away after lurking and finding us so
> > boring?  Why did he feel the need to tell us how boring we are?
>
>         He has low self-esteem.  I bet he eats over the sink, too!

I bet you're right!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:

> That is true.  Flashing lights can be a symptom of a
> detached retina and time is of the essence.  I know
> someone who lost her vision this way.

And, btw, one should not try to find the flashing lights -- as in if
they're in the perimeter, one should not try to focus on them.  That
knowledge is based on a vitreal detachment and the scary waiting period
(of a couple of weeks).  A retinal tear or detachment is most likely to
happen within those first two weeks.  I still see the floating mass -- a
big, massy mess.  But no more light show.

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Janet Hardy said:
> http://longurl.com/?185

LOL.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 04:07:16PM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> > >Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
> > >Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
> > >Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
> > >type of influence she would exert.
> >
> > Changing people is a sucker's game.
> >
> > Janet
> > BTDT
>
> wheres my tylenol

Take it and answer my HC question.

Karen

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> > cook something yummy most nights, put a placemat down at your table, light
> > a candle, use the silver, and sit down to have a proper meal.
>
>Note your word "proper" there near the end.  Does this mean you consider
>my style of eating <improper>?

Yes, I do.

 >  I value myself
>highly enough not to want to waste the time of fooling with cooking and
>setting a placemat etc. when there are things I would much prefer to
>spend my time on.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That's a valid answer.   People differ.


    --bonniev

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 11:16:51PM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> Why's everyone getting bent outta shape about Graham's remarks?
> There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm
> often bored by my posts ...

It's the same people, there are very few newcomers, and though
some people have changed dramatically, most haven't, and everybody
is internalizing everyone else's eccentricities, and working around
them, to the extent that nothing is weird anymore. And weird is a
synonym for interesting, right.

There are NO YOUNG PEOPLE on the list.

> Kudos to Karen for maintaining champion driveler status despite
> visiting family, traveling etc. etc.

I was stung by the fact that Rita is higher than me. What the
hell, she does 88 different things and I do nothing.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Oh good.  A really helpful answer to the question of what you meant.
> > Iow, major cop-out.
>
> Oh, I am <wounded>.

I can tell.  I do want to thank Bonniemae for giving an answer that made
clear sense -- as in I didn't have any trouble following her points and
saw how they fit the topic.  Although I disagreed with her conclusion
(since I personally find time spent on other things more important than
time spent on cooking), I was appreciative of the fact that she gave a
clear and reasonable, though debatable, answer.  Unlike uh-huhs and
i'mwoundeds and itsallaboutyous and various other meaningless nothings.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 05:40 PM 1/1/2003 -0600, natalie wrote:
>Because I dislike holier-than-thou snottiness.  As I said in my reply to
>him, why didn't he simply go away after lurking and finding us so
>boring?  Why did he feel the need to tell us how boring we are?


>No, I have not got to admit any such thing.  I do not consider it any
>less interesting now than in its early days.  It was different in the
>very early days in that it really was about language.  But Graham wasn't
>on the list then.  So I guess he's talking about the early '90s or so.
>I see no qualitative difference at all between then and now.  There are
>some periods when I find it more interesting than other times, but I've
>assumed that's because I find some topics more interesting that others.

Oh, Natalie, stop being <so> obsessive.

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> > that one must move quickly because the longer the detaching retina is
> > without a blood supply the less likely it is to recover good vision.
> >     --bonniev
>
>That is true.  Flashing lights can be a symptom of a
>detached retina and time is of the essence.  I know
>someone who lost her vision this way.
>                          - D. M.

I now know the difference between the lights of an ocular migraine and the
lights that come from the retina being tugged at.   If I have another
ocular migraine, it is not an emergency.  I can call the doctor at my
leisure and he will decide if he wants to do an angiogram or not.  I am to
take careful note of what I have done in the last 12 hours before the
ocular migraine which means I must live mindfully from now on because I'll
never know when I might have one twelve hours from right now.


    --bonniev

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>Hiking in ice cleats! Something to look forward to...
>-rashmi

Actually, what April is talking about is not something I would call ice
cleats.  Ice cleats have steel, pointy things that dig deep into the ice as
you climb a glacier.  The things she is talking about are actually a
shoe-sole-shaped piece of hard rubber that straps onto one's boots with
velcro.  On the bottom are a pattern of short screws with a hex nut end
which is what grips the snow and ice.  One can easily replace these screws
as they wear down.  They help.  But I wouldn't want to ice climb in them.


    --bonniev

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At 11:56 PM 1/1/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:

>Hiking in ice cleats! Something to look forward to...

Yes, as a matter of fact.  There are times around here when that's the only
way to go, if indeed one wants to walk the carriage roads or the (closed)
Loop Road.  They take only a little bit of getting-used-to and they
certainly take a lot of the worry out of walking on slippery surfaces.

cwv

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In a message dated 01/01/2003 12:44:18 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
I think I need to find someone to trade Japanese TV programs for
American ones.


>>

If you were interested in anime, you could try Suncoast video or a
comic-book store.

If you had the Dish Network, you could get NHK for around $25
a month additional.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 01/01/2003 11:35:02 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines.
>>

Is this similar to cluster headaches?

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 01/01/2003 10:53:58 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Do people really wear coats a lot?
>>

I have two black dusters, a silver coat that's also a raincoat,
and a carcoat with a hood.  I also have three jackets (one
denim, one gray, and one navy).

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm torn. I want to leave my wreath up till the Last Possible Minute,
> but it's seriously drying out, and garbage only gets collected
> once/week. So that minute may be 8:30 tomorrow morning.:(

Unlike a xmas tree, it's not bad luck to leave a wreath up after Dec.
31.  Mine is still on my door.  I usually take it down around Jan. 2.  I
don't see why the garbage pick-up time is crucial with something like
that since you can take it down a few days later and put it somewhere
like hidden in the shrubbery or in your backyard or whatever until the
next week.

When my daddy was a small child, he would drag the xmas tree from the
curb to under the house and go in there with it from time to time to
imagine it was still xmas.  I loved that story.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 12/31/2002 10:21:33 PM Central Standard Time,
words-l@GTOAL.COM writes:

<<
And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
they were when I left.

>>

So, we were your entertainment for the week?  And I thought Mom had
things rough, what with the cancer and all.

Evelyn Duncan
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > This has been answered repeatedly, most recently by Bonnie.
> >
> > I saw Bonnie's answer (and replied/commented).  Haven't seen any others
> > of the repeated answers you mention.  The goblins must be eating my
> > incoming mail.
>
> Perhaps, or perhaps you've forgotten the previous times I said more or
> less the same thing that Bonnie said.

I haven't seen anything at all rational on the subject from you --
nothing that in any way resembled a simple, clear answer.  So yes, the
goblins apparently ate those replies.

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> Last year we took the tree down around Dec. 27, and 2002 sucked
> big-time. So the damn tree is still up, and will be up until Ben
> comes home and helps me take it down.

Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
31 bodes great ill for the coming year.

--
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> >You know, I never did go to the doctor about my ocular migraines.
>
>Is this similar to cluster headaches?
>Evelyn Duncan

As you read on, you will see that they are not.  They are a light show with
no accompanying headache.


    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >No, it's my personal address.  My office address is Drawer E, Miss.
> >State, MS 39762.
>
> Thanks. If one wanted to have an item delivered to your home, where would
> one send it? IOW do you have a <home> as opposed to a <personal>
> address? A street address as opposed to a drawer/box address?

I have a street address, but I never use it for anything related to mail
since I don't consider it my mailing address.  For UPS, since they don't
like p.o. boxes,  I say "Lee Hall 316, Mississippi State, MS 39762."
But for somebody I hope to show up on my doorstop, I give this address:
110 White Drive, Starkville, MS 39759 (except that I don't usually
include the zip code since it's not usually useful for those about to
show up on my doorstep).

--
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Here is the web page for what we are calling "ice cleats":

http://www.shop-maine.com/32north/32n_body.asp


    --bonniev

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  Last year we took the tree down around Dec. 27, and 2002 sucked
>>  big-time. So the damn tree is still up, and will be up until Ben
>>  comes home and helps me take it down.
>
>Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
>31 bodes great ill for the coming year.

For the last several years, the tree's been taken down before 12/31
because we had a play party on 12/31 and we needed the space. If that
was supposed to improve my luck, it failed.

This year, since I was having just a plain old party (and my space is
much larger), I left it up. It definitely added a festive note to the
party. Since we were all assuring one another that 2003 was going to
be much better than 2002 (which saw, just within my immediate circle
of friends, Jay's & my breakup, a serious illness with surgery, a lot
of unemployment, a lot of illness and a lot of depression), I choose
to take the still-standing tree as a harbinger of better things to
come.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Parma is going after the label 'Parmesan'.

I saw that. And Balsamic vinegar, Budweiser (Czechoslovakia) and
everybody. It is because of American arrogance. If they prevail, it will
cost US corporations mega millions to re-package and re-explain what the
products are.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Oh good.  A really helpful answer to the question of what you meant.
> > > Iow, major cop-out.
> >
> > Oh, I am <wounded>.
>
> I can tell.  I do want to thank Bonniemae for giving an answer that made
> clear sense -- as in I didn't have any trouble following her points and
> saw how they fit the topic.  Although I disagreed with her conclusion
> (since I personally find time spent on other things more important than
> time spent on cooking), I was appreciative of the fact that she gave a
> clear and reasonable, though debatable, answer.  Unlike uh-huhs and
> i'mwoundeds and itsallaboutyous and various other meaningless nothings.

Whatever. You win!

Karen

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In a message dated 01/01/2003 6:59:44 PM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
As you read on, you will see that they are not.  They are a light show with
no accompanying headache.

>>

Good.  Dad went through Hell with his cluster headaches.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Evelyn Duncan said:
> If you had the Dish Network, you could get NHK for around $25
> a month additional.

Isn't that just news?

Karen

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I just did some vidalia googling to try to find the answer re
international law.  Am not sure that I found it but did find this, which
I can't copy/paste from since apparently pdf files aren't copy/paste
friendly:

http://www.card.iastate.edu/publications/DBS/PDFFiles/02mbp3.pdf

It says, "A legislated geographical limitation on supply is part of the
success of Vidalia onions as an internationally recognized, branded
product."
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Janet Hardy said:
> Since we were all assuring one another that 2003 was going to
> be much better than 2002 (which saw, just within my immediate circle
> of friends, Jay's & my breakup, a serious illness with surgery, a lot
> of unemployment, a lot of illness and a lot of depression), I choose
> to take the still-standing tree as a harbinger of better things to
> come.

Amen.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:

>  >  I value myself
> >highly enough not to want to waste the time of fooling with cooking and
> >setting a placemat etc. when there are things I would much prefer to
> >spend my time on.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> That's a valid answer.   People differ.

I thank you for recognizing that.  I agree that people differ, and, as I
said earlier, I also appreciated your answering the question I was
asking.

--
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
>31 bodes great ill for the coming year.

Nonsense. There are 12 days of Christmas. One may take down the tree &
have a bah-humbug party on Epiphany (Jan. 6) - or the Eve of Epiphany.

Bethany

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I'm torn. I want to leave my wreath up till the Last Possible Minute,
> > but it's seriously drying out,

Don't put it in the garbage. Let it disintegrate in your garden (mulch),
and when all the stuff has dried up, remove the wires and throw them and
the base (if any) away.

alyce

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I have a street address, but I never use it for anything related to mail
>since I don't consider it my mailing address.  For UPS, since they don't
>like p.o. boxes,  I say "Lee Hall 316, Mississippi State, MS 39762."
>But for somebody I hope to show up on my doorstop, I give this address:
>110 White Drive, Starkville, MS 39759 (except that I don't usually
>include the zip code since it's not usually useful for those about to
>show up on my doorstep).

Thank you!!!

Bethany

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In a message dated 01/01/2003 7:16:43 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Isn't that just news?


>>

No, TV Japan has news, children's programming, talk shows, sports, etc.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
> 31 bodes great ill for the coming year.

But of course for other people, Twelfth Night is the proper time. And
many people don't know about eating whatever peas you do on New Year's
Day. Not unless they are on Words-L.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > time spent on cooking), I was appreciative of the fact that she gave a
> > clear and reasonable, though debatable, answer.  Unlike uh-huhs and
> > i'mwoundeds and itsallaboutyous and various other meaningless nothings.
>
> Whatever. You win!

What's the prize?  I wasn't aware that this was a contest.  I will
definitely give you the prize for consistency, though.  Your evasive
non-answers have been prizewinningly consistent.

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>> Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>> Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>> type of influence she would exert.
>
>
> Changing people is a sucker's game.


        I think we naturally change each other over time.




--
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Evelyn Duncan said:
> > If you had the Dish Network, you could get NHK for around $25
> > a month additional.
>
> Isn't that just news?

I don't know what's on the Dish Network, but NHK is Japanese national
television -- as in everything.

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alyce cresap said:
> I saw that. And Balsamic vinegar, Budweiser (Czechoslovakia) and
> everybody. It is because of American arrogance. If they prevail, it will
> cost US corporations mega millions to re-package and re-explain what the
> products are.

I thought that Balsamic and Budweiser were already protected.

Though that wouldn't make sense--I do always look for 'Modena' on the
vinegar bottle, and I have not found it sometimes. Budweiser was
protected everywhere but the US before, I guess.

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Janet Hardy said:
> >>  I think "Princess Mononoke" is set up that way. Probably "Spirited
> >>  Away" will be too, when it comes out on video.
> >
> >These are anime, right? I loathe anime.
>
> Yes, they're anime, but definitely of a different level than most
> anime. "Spirited Away" in particular is worthy of your attention,
> whether or not you like the genre.

Okay. I put them on my list.

> >  > On a tangential note, I just got back from "Chicago" and absolutely
> >>  LOVED it. One of the best movie musicals ever. A must.
> >
> >Cool. This is the one with Richard Gere, right?
>
> Yes. Also Renee Zellweger and Catherine Zeta-Jones. And, best of all,
> Queen Latifah as Mama Morton.

I just saw a brief thing about this on TV, and I got <stuck> on the
idea of Richard Gere in a musical. Was he good?

Karen

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 07:26:14PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
> >>Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
> >>Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
> >>type of influence she would exert.
> >
> >
> >Changing people is a sucker's game.
>
>        I think we naturally change each other over time.

Do not oppose home truths learned at the BTDT School of Hard Knocks!

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I just did some vidalia googling to try to find the answer re
> international law.  Am not sure that I found it but did find this, which
> I can't copy/paste from since apparently pdf files aren't copy/paste
> friendly:
>
> http://www.card.iastate.edu/publications/DBS/PDFFiles/02mbp3.pdf
>
> It says, "A legislated geographical limitation on supply is part of the
> success of Vidalia onions as an internationally recognized, branded
> product."

Cnn.com says ""These are brand new in the marketplace," said Reid
Torrance, the county Extension coordinator in southeastern Georgia's
Tattnall County, where many of the state's Vidalias are grown. "That
gives a total of 24 legal varieties. However, there are five that are
no longer available, so there are only 19 varieties for planting.""
...
" The Vidalia name is a registered trademark of the Georgia Department
of Agriculture and the standard for carrying a Vidalia label has been
written into state law. A Vidalia has to be a yellow granex onion that
meets the standard for sweetness and mildness and it has to be flatter
than it is tall. Round or oblong onions are taboo. "

http://resources.caes.uga.edu/media/GAR/VidaliaOs.htm says it has to
be 'Georgia grown'. There's a 20-county production area.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Don't put it in the garbage. Let it disintegrate in your garden (mulch),
> and when all the stuff has dried up, remove the wires and throw them and
> the base (if any) away.

Ah. Good idea. I was concerned about the wires. Okay, I'll leave it up
for a few more days. I don't think it will last till next week.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > time spent on cooking), I was appreciative of the fact that she gave a
> > > clear and reasonable, though debatable, answer.  Unlike uh-huhs and
> > > i'mwoundeds and itsallaboutyous and various other meaningless nothings.
> >
> > Whatever. You win!
>
> What's the prize?  I wasn't aware that this was a contest.  I will
> definitely give you the prize for consistency, though.  Your evasive
> non-answers have been prizewinningly consistent.

Whatever. You win!

Karen

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> I will try to eat something more. No Meals on Wheels on the holiday.
>
> alyce

Have you thought more about getting a microwave? They make cooking frozen
dinners ever so much easier.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Has anyone seen "The Hours"? Is it as good as they say?

Karen

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In a message dated 01/01/2003 7:52:12 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Have you thought more about getting a microwave? They make cooking frozen
dinners ever so much easier.

>>

Yes, and you can get a good one (1 cu. ft.; 1000 W.) for around $60.
They are so inexpensive nowadays; the first one we got cost over
$300 in 1988.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> Have you thought more about getting a microwave? They make cooking frozen
> dinners ever so much easier.

I know, I know. But they scare me. I am not at all good with appliances.
Things explode. Might get burned. Need new microwave dishes and stuff. I
am a Yabbut, I know.

I have no trouble heating frozen things in my regular oven. And I have a
toaster oven, too, but the frozen things mostly say, "Do not heat in a
toaster oven." Why is that?

Going to watch a movie now. I look forward to the answer tomorrow.

alyce

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 05:25:19PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > I just did some vidalia googling to try to find the answer re
> > international law.  Am not sure that I found it but did find this, which
> > I can't copy/paste from since apparently pdf files aren't copy/paste
> > friendly:
> >
> > http://www.card.iastate.edu/publications/DBS/PDFFiles/02mbp3.pdf
> >
> > It says, "A legislated geographical limitation on supply is part of the
> > success of Vidalia onions as an internationally recognized, branded
> > product."
>
> Cnn.com says ""These are brand new in the marketplace," said Reid
> Torrance, the county Extension coordinator in southeastern Georgia's
> Tattnall County, where many of the state's Vidalias are grown. "That
> gives a total of 24 legal varieties. However, there are five that are
> no longer available, so there are only 19 varieties for planting.""
> ...
> " The Vidalia name is a registered trademark of the Georgia Department
> of Agriculture and the standard for carrying a Vidalia label has been
> written into state law. A Vidalia has to be a yellow granex onion that
> meets the standard for sweetness and mildness and it has to be flatter
> than it is tall. Round or oblong onions are taboo. "
>
> http://resources.caes.uga.edu/media/GAR/VidaliaOs.htm says it has to
> be 'Georgia grown'. There's a 20-county production area.

I find it morally repugnant to like Vidalia onions.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 07:26:14PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>>>Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>>>>Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>>>>Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>>>>type of influence she would exert.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Changing people is a sucker's game.
>>>
>>       I think we naturally change each other over time.
>>
>
> Do not oppose home truths learned at the BTDT School of Hard Knocks!


        Oh, quit throwing yourself at Janet.  It really is disgusting
the way you suck up to her.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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alyce cresap said:
> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >
> > Have you thought more about getting a microwave? They make cooking frozen
> > dinners ever so much easier.
>
> I know, I know. But they scare me. I am not at all good with appliances.
> Things explode. Might get burned. Need new microwave dishes and stuff. I
> am a Yabbut, I know.

Why do you need new dishes and stuff?

> I have no trouble heating frozen things in my regular oven. And I have a
> toaster oven, too, but the frozen things mostly say, "Do not heat in a
> toaster oven." Why is that?

Because the container will burn.

> Going to watch a movie now. I look forward to the answer tomorrow.

I hope you're feeling better.

Karen

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From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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> Graham Toal wrote:
>
> > And with that I'm outta here.  I stuck around quietly for a week to see
> > if there was ever going to be a single post worth responding to and I'm
> > sad to say that if anything the standards have dropped even lower than
> > they were when I left.
>
> And we are indeed highly upset!  I feel sure that I'm speaking for
> others, though they will of course quickly point it out if I'm not, that
> we are all distressed and chagrined beyond words that we are not living
> up to your standards and your discriminating tastes.  We realize, of
> course, that it is very hard to satisfy somebody of your <stature>.
> Hard to admit though it is, most of us are simply not quite up to your
> supreme intelligence and lofty tastes.
>
> > Words-L hall of shame:
>
> Oh dear, oh dear.  We for sure feel shamed.
>
> Somehow I had gotten the mistaken impression that you had mellowed a bit
> -- turned into less of an asshole after marrying abht.  Guess I was
> wrong.  Little hint:  Nobody required you to read Words-L for a week.
> Nother little hint:  You could've done so, been disgusted, and left
> quietly.  Why do you feel the need to tell us we are <shameful>?
> Somehow I think that says lots more about you than it does about us.
> Happy New Year, Asshole.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

Damn, southern charm goes out the window. Natalie get a pair. 2003 will be a
part.



alec

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Tushar Samant said:
> I find it morally repugnant to like Vidalia onions.

Whew, all's right in my world...

Karen

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:18:28 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>>  Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>>>  Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>>>  Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>>>  type of influence she would exert.
>>
>>
>>  Changing people is a sucker's game.
>
>         I think we naturally change each other over time.

Yes, but I'm not sure that's to anyone's benefit.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It says, "A legislated geographical limitation on supply is part of the
> > success of Vidalia onions as an internationally recognized, branded
> > product."
>
> Cnn.com says ""These are brand new in the marketplace," said Reid

Brand new?  I find that pretty weird.  I don't know their history, but
it seems like forever and ever that I've heard of them.

> http://resources.caes.uga.edu/media/GAR/VidaliaOs.htm says it has to
> be 'Georgia grown'. There's a 20-county production area.

I thought the national law said that it was something like 13 counties,
but I can't remember for sure.  I thought that was what I saw when I was
googling earlier.

--
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:21:26 -0800
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>  > Yes. Also Renee Zellweger and Catherine Zeta-Jones. And, best of all,
>>  Queen Latifah as Mama Morton.
>
>I just saw a brief thing about this on TV, and I got <stuck> on the
>idea of Richard Gere in a musical. Was he good?

Terrific. Apparently he got his start in musicals. Billy Flynn isn't
an easy part to sing, but he nailed it. And he has a whole tap-dance
scene, too.

Janet

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>On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 07:26:14PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>  >>Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>>  >>Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>>  >>Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>>  >>type of influence she would exert.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Changing people is a sucker's game.
>>
>>         I think we naturally change each other over time.
>
>Do not oppose home truths learned at the BTDT School of Hard Knocks!

For you, Tushar, I could make an exception.

Janet

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> which I was raised.  I don't know where I would fit in, although it does
> occur to me that I felt very comfortable sitting in Adam's living room at
> SnowBash.

Good, I'm glad. I want all SnowBash attendees to have such a good time that
they'll come back for the next one.

--Adam

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I see the 20 vs 13 discrepancy now:

> Under the terms of Federal Marketing Order No. 955, as well as a state law, Vidalia Onions are
> defined to include only those produced in 13 counties and portions of seven others,

from: http://www.sweetonion.com/voc-prod.htm

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen "The Hours"? Is it as good as they say?

No.

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On 1 Jan 2003 at 18:00, Karen Kay wrote:

> Whew, all's right in my world...

We know Maui onions are better anyway.


    mem

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At 08:28 PM 1/1/2003 -0600, natalie wrote:
>We discussed this, I think, back when we were talking about why we in
>the South say "English peas" to designate what are apparently just
>called "peas" in some places.  There is no luck involved in eating
>English peas to welcome the new year, afaik.  But if you don't eat
>blackeyed peas, you are in DS.

Yeah, well, if you're in the South and eating beans called blackeyed peas,
you're already in DS.

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> Question for geeks:  Is it pixilate or pixelate?
>
> Karen

The latter, I think. I know I just used a form of the word in the most
recent ArtiosCAD manual, but I can't remember how I spelled it. *looks* Oh,
I do have it on the hard drive... Hm, I used pixelation. I remember it
wasn't in the dictionary.

--Adam

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Karen Kay writes,

>Isn't that just news?

They've got a little of everything: <http://www.tvjapan.net/>.

Pete

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alyce cresap wrote:
> I know, I know. But they scare me. I am not at all good with appliances.
> Things explode. Might get burned. Need new microwave dishes and stuff. I
> am a Yabbut, I know.

I am not a fan of microwaving.  Have never bought one myself and would
probably not ever do so.  But I've had one (two) for a good while now
(one in my previous house as a xmas gift a long time ago, one in my
current house here when I moved in), and I feel confident in saying that
they aren't scary and that you don't have to be good with appliances.
They are easy to use, they aren't likely to explode, and you are very
unlikely to get burned.  Re dishes -- not a problem.  Unless your
regularyly used dishes are super fine china, you can put them in a
microwave.

> I have no trouble heating frozen things in my regular oven. And I have a
> toaster oven, too, but the frozen things mostly say, "Do not heat in a
> toaster oven." Why is that?

They lie.  Do not believe those things you read about toaster ovens.  As
a long-time user of toaster ovens, I can attest that they will do
anything any oven will do, just more efficiently.  I have seen those
writings you're talking about -- the dont's-use-in toaster-oven things
-- all I can figure is that the writers don't really undertand how
toaster ovens work.  If my microwave oven dies tomorrow, I will not
mourn.  If either of my two toaster ovens dies tomorrow, I will be at
Wmart within five minutes to buy a replacement.  Toaster ovens <rule>.
Microwaves are convenient at times but pale in comparison with the
importance of toaster ovens.

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> There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
> bored by my posts ...

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
without resuming the USENET gateway?

> Kudos to Karen for maintaining champion driveler status despite
> visiting family, traveling etc. etc.

I think it's a gift.

--Adam
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Whatever. You win!

Uh huh.  Whatever you say.  You must be right.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> > Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
> > 31 bodes great ill for the coming year.
>
> But of course for other people, Twelfth Night is the proper time. And

But of course.  Isn't that how holiday traditions normally work?

> many people don't know about eating whatever peas you do on New Year's
> Day. Not unless they are on Words-L.

We discussed this, I think, back when we were talking about why we in
the South say "English peas" to designate what are apparently just
called "peas" in some places.  There is no luck involved in eating
English peas to welcome the new year, afaik.  But if you don't eat
blackeyed peas, you are in DS.

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On 1 Jan 2003 at 21:47, Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> without resuming the USENET gateway?

You got the power, man. Sign up anybody you want to.


     mem

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>I know, I know. But they scare me. I am not at all good with appliances.
>Things explode. Might get burned. Need new microwave dishes and stuff. I
>am a Yabbut, I know.       --alyce

As with generators, you are behind the times.   Anything goes in the
microwave these days.  You don't need special dishes.  You just have to
remember not to put aluminum foil into the microwave.  And they don't
explode or leak horror rays.   That being said, I don't use the microwave
much.  When we moved here six and a half years ago was the first time we
ever had one.  Clyde uses it.  But I don't.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Whatever. You win!
>
> Uh huh.  Whatever you say.  You must be right.

No, no, YOU'RE right.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> > that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
> > bored by my posts ...
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> without resuming the USENET gateway?
>
> > Kudos to Karen for maintaining champion driveler status despite
> > visiting family, traveling etc. etc.
>
> I think it's a gift.

Or a curse.

Karen

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Alyce:

>I will try to eat something more. No Meals on Wheels on the holiday.

We (the more-or-less similar outfit I work for in Philly) pack extra
meals (breakfast, lunch and dinner) for the holidays (and Sundays)
when there's no delivery. This year for the first time the staff got the
week between Christmas and New Year off, and we spent the two
weeks before Christmas cooking and freezing and packing and
cooking and ... every available freezer and refrigerator was stuffed
to capacity.

-rashmi



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> Here is the web page for what we are calling "ice cleats":
>
> http://www.shop-maine.com/32north/32n_body.asp
>
>
>     --bonniev

These are way more hardy than the ones I have. Hmmm, I might have to order a
pair.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Janet:

>Who's bent out of shape?

Natalie, for one. It's funny how she stubbornly refuses to concede
that we're even a little less interesting than when we had more posters,
more turnover, more variety. I don't see anything wrong in
admitting that we're often stale and predictable. I don't need any
more rounds of the scintillating Karen-Natalie uh-huh saga to label
it utterly boring.

>  I'm certainly not: he's right, things are
>often very tedious around here. When it gets too dull, I go away for
>a while until I start to miss you all, then I come back. No
>particular reason to announce it, though.

I'm with you all the way here.

-rashmi



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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > It says, "A legislated geographical limitation on supply is part of the
> > > success of Vidalia onions as an internationally recognized, branded
> > > product."
> >
> > Cnn.com says ""These are brand new in the marketplace," said Reid
>
> Brand new?  I find that pretty weird.  I don't know their history, but
> it seems like forever and ever that I've heard of them.

Jeeze, Natalie. Can you read the whole paragraph????? These are new
varieties of the 24 approved Vidalia onions.

> > http://resources.caes.uga.edu/media/GAR/VidaliaOs.htm says it has to
> > be 'Georgia grown'. There's a 20-county production area.
>
> I thought the national law said that it was something like 13 counties,
> but I can't remember for sure.  I thought that was what I saw when I was
> googling earlier.

I'm sure you're right.

Karen

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>Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
>without resuming the USENET gateway?
>--Adam

Invite people over from other lists you are on.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Re dishes -- not a problem.  Unless your
> regularyly used dishes are super fine china, you can put them in a
> microwave.

Actually, that's not true. If they are Melmac (is that spelled right?),
they will harden and crack. This is true of many other plastics, which
I guess is what Alyce was thinking of. (You need to have 'microwave
safe' plastic--but I mostly use glass or stoneware, and it works
fine.)

Dishes decorated with metal are not good. I have Chinese bowls that
for some reason aren't good--the microwave complains. (My current
microwave is more than 10 years old. It needs to live until I am more
financially stable.)

Oh, and if you buy a microwave, make sure you get one with a
turntable.

Also, you can make your own latte in a microwave. (I know this is very
important to you.:) )

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> > Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
> > 31 bodes great ill for the coming year.
>
> But of course for other people, Twelfth Night is the proper time. And

But of course.  Isn't that how holiday traditions normally work?

> many people don't know about eating whatever peas you do on New Year's
> Day. Not unless they are on Words-L.

We discussed this, I think, back when we were talking about why we in
the South say "English peas" to designate what are apparently just
called "peas" in some places.  There is no luck involved in eating
English peas to welcome the new year, afaik.  But if you don't eat
blackeyed peas, you are in DS.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Janet Hardy said:
> >  > Yes. Also Renee Zellweger and Catherine Zeta-Jones. And, best of all,
> >>  Queen Latifah as Mama Morton.
> >
> >I just saw a brief thing about this on TV, and I got <stuck> on the
> >idea of Richard Gere in a musical. Was he good?
>
> Terrific. Apparently he got his start in musicals. Billy Flynn isn't
> an easy part to sing, but he nailed it. And he has a whole tap-dance
> scene, too.

I think I knew he could tap dance. But I didn't know he could sing.
Cool for him, then.

Karen

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Peter Kaminski said:
> Karen Kay writes,
>
> >Isn't that just news?
>
> They've got a little of everything: <http://www.tvjapan.net/>.

Thanks. I know I lived *somewhere* that only got NHK news, but I don't
remember where or under what circumstances. But I didn't pay for it.

Karen

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>Oh, and if you buy a microwave, make sure you get one with a
>turntable.

oh, oh.   Ours doesn't have a turntable.

>Also, you can make your own latte in a microwave. (I know this is very
>important to you.:) )       --Karen

How does one do that?


    --bonniev

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>Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
>without resuming the USENET gateway?

I love mem's idea. Sign up the EFO fans!

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Question for geeks:  Is it pixilate or pixelate?
> >
> > Karen
>
> The latter, I think. I know I just used a form of the word in the most
> recent ArtiosCAD manual, but I can't remember how I spelled it. *looks* Oh,
> I do have it on the hard drive... Hm, I used pixelation. I remember it
> wasn't in the dictionary.

Thanks.

Karen

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> I have no trouble heating frozen things in my regular oven. And I have a
> toaster oven, too, but the frozen things mostly say, "Do not heat in a
> toaster oven." Why is that?

I think because the containers are much closer to the heating elements. I'm
not sure, though.

--Adam
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Heard some pundit on TV say:
The economy isn't better, it's just less worse.

                  - D. M.

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>  > There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
>>  that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
>>  bored by my posts ...
>
>Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
>without resuming the USENET gateway?

Recruit. (Anybody got a stash of toaster ovens?)

But what's the problem with resuming the Usenet gateway? I for one am
willing to chalk its closure up as a failed experiment.

Janet

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> > Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> > without resuming the USENET gateway?
>
> You got the power, man. Sign up anybody you want to.
>
>
>      mem

Thanks for the idea. Now where's that CD of 44 million email addresses Dad
gave me a few years ago...

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> >  > There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> >>  that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm
often
> >>  bored by my posts ...
> >
> >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> >without resuming the USENET gateway?
>
> Recruit. (Anybody got a stash of toaster ovens?)
>
> But what's the problem with resuming the Usenet gateway? I for one am
> willing to chalk its closure up as a failed experiment.
>
> Janet

Nah.  I don't want people googling up
my conversations.

                       - D. M.

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bonniev said:
> >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> >without resuming the USENET gateway?
> >--Adam
>
> Invite people over from other lists you are on.

Man, I'd NEVER do that.

Karen

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> I love mem's idea. Sign up the EFO fans!

My GOD, you've got to be kidding. Edheads are *freaks*!

Well, the one woman I know who primarily identifies as an Edhead is a freak,
at any rate.

And when I say freak, it's not the good kind of freak like most of us. It's
the scary kind of freak.

Sadly, Nields fans aren't much better.

There are some Fruheads who might be good candidates. I'll have to think
about it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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bonniev said:
> >Oh, and if you buy a microwave, make sure you get one with a
> >turntable.
>
> oh, oh.   Ours doesn't have a turntable.

It's a great convenience--you never have to take stuff out and turn it
or stir it.

> >Also, you can make your own latte in a microwave. (I know this is very
> >important to you.:) )       --Karen
>
> How does one do that?

I don't know how you do it in one without a turntable. Ligniere taught
me this: put the milk in the cup, then cook it till it threatens to
overflow, in my microwave, 1 minute and 50 seconds PRECISELY.

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> >  > There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> >>  that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
> >>  bored by my posts ...
> >
> >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> >without resuming the USENET gateway?
>
> Recruit. (Anybody got a stash of toaster ovens?)

LOL.

> But what's the problem with resuming the Usenet gateway? I for one am
> willing to chalk its closure up as a failed experiment.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Karen

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> But what's the problem with resuming the Usenet gateway? I for one am
> willing to chalk its closure up as a failed experiment.
>
> Janet

IIRC, we closed it because of the spam.

So, if I open it (after I find out how, of course), there might be a mighty
influx of spam, even if I set the posting ability to be for subscribers
only.

What do y'all think?

--Adam

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I was going to recommend Mauno Loa macadamia nuts covered with
Ghirardelli chocolate (a Walgreen's purchase), but on second thought,
I can't. They taste good, but they took me ten very frustrating
minutes to open.

Karen

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Doris Markland said:
> Nah.  I don't want people googling up
> my conversations.

But they can already--didn't Ann Borkin find this out? Or someone?

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

 But if you don't eat
> blackeyed peas, you are in DS.
>
Then I guess that's my problem.

alyce

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lisa alfieri said:
> Karen, the eggplant and spinach bread come from bakeries so I don't have a
> family recipe for them. Basically it's a thin crust of bread that's wrapped
> around eggplant parm. They go light on the cheese so it's not as heavy as a
> sandwich would be. They also have broccoli bread and pepperoni and cheese
> bread. Eggplant and pepperoni and cheese are relatively knew on the scene.
> In my childhood it was only broccoli or spinach which are heavy on the
> garlic and usually have a little crushed red pepper in them.

Okay. This gives me some ideas.

Karen

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In a message dated 01/01/2003 9:10:58 PM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<<
>Oh, and if you buy a microwave, make sure you get one with a
>turntable.

oh, oh.   Ours doesn't have a turntable.


>>

you just have to pause it halfway through heating and turn the
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Evelyn Duncan
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"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
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> Doris Markland said:
> > Nah.  I don't want people googling up
> > my conversations.
>
> But they can already--didn't Ann Borkin find this out? Or someone?
>
> Karen

I may be wrong, but I think what she got
was postings from way back when, not
after we closed the gate.

          - D. M.

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alyce cresap said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  But if you don't eat
> > blackeyed peas, you are in DS.
> >
> Then I guess that's my problem.

I made cranberry cornbread, but I couldn't find any BEP's.:(

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Also, you can make your own latte in a microwave. (I know this is very
> important to you.:) )

Oh yes indeed, very important.

I do not have glass nor stoneware dishes. I have porcelain plates. Metal
pots and pans. That is why I said I'd have to get new stuff. Anyway, I
am not buying anything right now until I see if I am, like, OK.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> We (the more-or-less similar outfit I work for in Philly) pack extra
> meals (breakfast, lunch and dinner) for the holidays (and Sundays)
> when there's no delivery.

They do bring frozen meals for the weekends. But none for Christmas nor
New Year's DAy. I don't understand why not, but that is how it was. No
matter...I ate. I think today's calorie intake was a new recent record,
largely due to peanuts @ 170 calories for 39 pieces. I had a couple of
handsful, so must have had maybe 300 calories.

alyce

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> There are some Fruheads who might be good candidates. I'll have to think
> about it.

But please, not if they are just going to talk about Moxy Fruvous and
stuff, because I don't understand it and would just delete, delete,
delete. Perhaps they could talk about other things, though, and that
would be good.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I made cranberry cornbread, but I couldn't find any BEP's.:(

It's OK. Yankees don't need BEPs to have good fortune.

alyce

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> Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > We (the more-or-less similar outfit I work for in Philly) pack extra
> > meals (breakfast, lunch and dinner) for the holidays (and Sundays)
> > when there's no delivery.
>
> They do bring frozen meals for the weekends. But none for Christmas
nor
> New Year's DAy. I don't understand why not, but that is how it was. No
> matter...I ate. I think today's calorie intake was a new recent
record,
> largely due to peanuts @ 170 calories for 39 pieces. I had a couple of
> handsful, so must have had maybe 300 calories.
>
> alyce

Want me to send you some macadamia nuts?
I think each nut is guaranteed to put a pound on you.
Problem is, if you starting eating them you can't stop.

                       - D. M.

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We are having an ice storm, so good wishes for the power lines staying
up would be appreciated. They say 1/2-1" of pure ice. It is sleeting
now, but as temp falls, the ice cometh. The idea of going onto the big
oxy tank in the dark freaks me out. As you all know.
--
alyce

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Doris Markland said:
> > Doris Markland said:
> > > Nah.  I don't want people googling up
> > > my conversations.
> >
> > But they can already--didn't Ann Borkin find this out? Or someone?
> >
> > Karen
>
> I may be wrong, but I think what she got
> was postings from way back when, not
> after we closed the gate.

I thought they were recent.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> I do not have glass nor stoneware dishes. I have porcelain plates. Metal
> pots and pans. That is why I said I'd have to get new stuff. Anyway, I
> am not buying anything right now until I see if I am, like, OK.

Well, you don't stick pots and pans in the microwave.

LOL. Here's an abstract for you:  they used porcelain.
http://www.poppies.org/news/9957484781614.shtml

Everything I saw on the web said porcelain was okay. (With the caveat
of no metal trim.)

Karen

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Adam Hartfield writes,

>What do y'all think?

I'm not crazy about it -- I like the way we're situated now.

I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to tell
them to expect: English language discussion?  A geographically-distributed
bunch of close friends who like gossip, language, regionalisms,
geography?  A crank gang of old farts?

Pete

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Doris Markland said:
> Want me to send you some macadamia nuts?
> I think each nut is guaranteed to put a pound on you.
> Problem is, if you starting eating them you can't stop.

These Ghirardelli-coated ones are excellent. Once you get 'em open.

Karen

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>  > But what's the problem with resuming the Usenet gateway? I for one am
>>  willing to chalk its closure up as a failed experiment.
>>
>>  Janet
>
>IIRC, we closed it because of the spam.
>
>So, if I open it (after I find out how, of course), there might be a mighty
>influx of spam, even if I set the posting ability to be for subscribers
>only.
>
>What do y'all think?

Oh my god -- SPAM in my INBOX? I'm not sure that I can cope...

Janet
swooning

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alyce cresap said:
> We are having an ice storm, so good wishes for the power lines staying
> up would be appreciated. They say 1/2-1" of pure ice.

Blech.

You have all my good wishes. I thought it was bad because here it will
go down to 25 tomorrow.

> It is sleeting
> now, but as temp falls, the ice cometh. The idea of going onto the big
> oxy tank in the dark freaks me out. As you all know.

Yes, I understand.:(

Has Riley been taking care of Spike?

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
> Want me to send you some macadamia nuts?
> I think each nut is guaranteed to put a pound on you.
> Problem is, if you starting eating them you can't stop.

Thanks very much, Doris, but macadamias are not my favorites. I am very
grateful for the offer, though.

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On 1 Jan 2003 at 20:24, Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to
> tell them to expect: English language discussion?

A bog of self-reference.

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Doris Markland wrote:
> I may be wrong, but I think what she got
> was postings from way back when, not
> after we closed the gate.

The reason we closed the gate, as I vividly recall, was that very nasty
and lewd things were attributed to people...things they never said. Sex
things and stuff that was fairly embarrassing. I'd like not to have my
name on that sort of thing again. If it matters.

alyce

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Peter Kaminski said:
> I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to tell
> them to expect: English language discussion?  A geographically-distributed
> bunch of close friends who like gossip, language, regionalisms,
> geography?  A crank gang of old farts?

All of the above.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Everything I saw on the web said porcelain was okay. (With the caveat
> of no metal trim.)

Gold edges. But then perhaps I would not put a dinner plate in, but
something else and then transfer the food to the plate? Or is that not
done?

alyce

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> > >
> > > But they can already--didn't Ann Borkin find this out? Or someone?
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > I may be wrong, but I think what she got
> > was postings from way back when, not
> > after we closed the gate.
>
> I thought they were recent.
>
> Karen

I hope not.

This led me, however, to google my own name just
now and found a little surprise.  Apparently some
time back I had written a little note to Garrison Keillor
on his web site . . and he has posted an answer.

Dear Mr. Keillor Here is something to think about during this "resting
time" from partisan politics, while we all pull together, rethink our
priorities, and combine our efforts to make America a safer and better
place: Stay away from discussing politics. It puts a little tarnish on
your sterling reputation and disappoints our anticipation of the shows.

Respectfully,
Doris Markland

Doris, politics is part of grown-up life. Introduce a resolution
condemning terrorism and somebody will attach an amendment to provide a
big tax break to his brother- in-law. It's in our nature. National unity
is a beautiful illusion. Unity is not what America is about: our
ancestors came here to get away from it, the unity of the State Church
and the King and the One True Way. But like you, I also appreciate this
thoughtful time in our country and will tread carefully on thin ice.

                   - D. M.



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Dear Garrison, I'm a New Yorker, and like everyone in this city, am
still reeling from the horrors of September 11. While I'm grateful for
their efforts, the President and the Mayor are not what I need right
now, or newscasters or political arguments. What I need are reminders of
what we hold precious in our hearts and what in life really matters.

Sisina Tweed

Amen, Sisina. I was in the city the week of 9/11 and what people I knew
needed to do was to get out of their apartments and away from the TV and
see their friends. Sit down to a meal with the near and dear and talk
about the tragedy and also about other things. And of course the
churches were packed for the next few Sundays.


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Garrison,
In March, 1984, you spoke at the Westminister Forum in Minneapolis and
one of the questions from the audience was -" In a time of trouble in
our world how can you try to be funny?" Your response was: "Caring about
the world does not begin with fear or morbidity but with fascination."

Anne Seltz

Anne, I don't know how you can remember something from so far back. I'm
more impressed by that than by the sentence, which seems
well-intentioned but awkward and definitely a truism. The editor in me
wants to fix it up. "Caring" seems much too soft, for one thing. But the
sentiment is good. Passionate environmentalists are people who love the
natural world and are fascinated by the lives of birds and bugs and
plants, not people who primarily motivated by fear of apocalyptic
events.


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Garrison:
I was wondering, now that you write on laptop, don't you miss the
ancient craft of putting pen to paper? I find the computer works well
for technical manuscripts, but have yet to compose a poem worthy of
reading in Microsoft Word.

Erik K.
St. Louis, M.D.

Dr. St. Louis, your suspicion of the computer is well- founded. It tends
to lead us into writing stuff that's wordy and flabby and tone-deaf.
Pencil to paper is somehow better, when it comes to style. But if you're
a busy, busy, busy person, you choose the technology that eliminates
re-typing and makes it possible for writing to be quickly and easily
disseminated. And you put pen to paper only when you write letters to
your friends.


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Mr. Keillor:
Question: once in awhile would you please open your show with "Hello,
Love?" I listened yesterday evening to the rebroadcast of a 1985 show
and I like that theme.

Luanne Norwood

Dear Luanne, I will give this some thought. We switched over to
"Tishomingo Blues" back in '89 and I prefer it as an opening, but maybe
it'd be fun to sneak in the old theme, just to confuse the young people.


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Dear Mr. Keillor, My family and I have recently moved to Rochester,
Minnesota, from Bloomington, Indiana. I am about to give birth to a son.
I know nothing about rearing a Minnesotan. Or if to do so would be
desirable. Any thoughts?

Jenny Gunter

Jenny, congratulations on the impending and best wishes for a speedy
delivery and a healthy child and great joy in the Gunter house. Your son
will grow up with all the normal loyalties, to school and friends and (I
hope) to city and state, but those loyalties pale beside his love of his
mom and dad. In fact, his love of city and state is probably
representative of his love for you, and he will come to imagine your
personal qualities as being typically Midwestern and Minnesotanesque. He
'll grow up in your home, imitating you, and the stereotypical Minnesota
traits he may wind up skipping entirely. He may loathe winter, despise
fishing and hunting and football and Jell-O, and not know lefse from a
pair of corduroy pants. Nonetheless, we claim him as one of ours.


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Hi Garrison,
How come we are not hearing about your daughter any more? I really
enjoyed your descriptions of her. Is she too embarrassed?

Gladys Dean

Gladys, I left off talking about my sweet daughter to spare her
embarrassment and also because a lot of listeners said they were tired
of hearing me go on about her. We fathers are sensitive about these
things.


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Garrison:
recently saw a tourist brochure for a town whose slogan was "Sparta -
not far from where you are". It sounded like the kind of slogan Lake
Wobegon might have. Has the LW Chamber of Commerce come up with anything
like this for their town?

E.H. Maxey

Sir: Our slogan is "Gateway to Central Minnesota".


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Garrison,
Is it tougher for radio actors to stay in character than it is for
actors on stage and screen? Do you try and build a mental image of say,
Guy Noir's office in the Acme Building when you're playing him? Do you
focus on the other players to keep from being distracted?

Pat Tearney

Pat, I'm not an actor so I wouldn't know about motivation. Mainly I just
try to keep the pages of the script in order. Sometimes I'm missing one
and have to slide over and read off Sue Scott's. I try not to look at
the others. The key to doing radio is listening and everything else is a
distraction.


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Hello.
You used to work at the New Yorker lo these many years ago; what did
White and Thurber's office look like? What could you see from the
window? Did Thurber leave any drawings on the walls or desks?
Melinda R. Cordell

Melinda, I never saw White's office, or Thurber's. They were long gone
by the time I came on the scene. But the general shabby tone of 25 West
43rd was the same. It looked like an English department at an
impoverished college. No decorator had ever laid hands on the place. It
had been designed by a process of natural accretion. Thurber left some
drawings on an office wall and when the magazine moved up the street,
that wall was carefully cut out and moved to the new location, like an
Egyptian antiquity.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
> Has Riley been taking care of Spike?
>
Oh, yes, and if not he (because he wants to play with friends or
something), then his father, Kevin. In the excitement of having Doug
here, I do not know if I said that Kevin came on Xmas night through
knee-deep snow with a flashlight and brought Doug and me a five-course
steak and chicken dinner. And on Xmas morning, he came with warm sweet
rolls. Lois, the mother, has brought me thick soups. They are saints,
and have promised to take care of me in case of power outage or
whatever. Many stars for their crowns, I must say.

alyce

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 1 Jan 2003 at 20:24, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to
> > tell them to expect: English language discussion?
>
> A bog of self-reference.

But not if we had new people. We'd just be nosy.

Karen

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Doris Markland wrote:
>> This led me, however, to google my own name just
> now and found a little surprise.

Why did you not see this reply at the time? And why don't you want him
to mention politics? Because he has views different from yours? Or
because it changes the balance of the show? (I never have heard it.)

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

>> A bog of self-reference.
>
> But not if we had new people. We'd just be nosy.

Are you saying that you would not speak of yourself if we had new
people? Would any of us stop doing it? Doubtful.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Gold edges. But then perhaps I would not put a dinner plate in, but
> something else and then transfer the food to the plate? Or is that not
> done?

Sure, all the time. Just makes for more dishes, but if you have a
dishwasher, that's not a problem.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Oh, yes, and if not he (because he wants to play with friends or
> something), then his father, Kevin.

Good, I'm glad that they are being responsible.

> In the excitement of having Doug
> here, I do not know if I said that Kevin came on Xmas night through
> knee-deep snow with a flashlight and brought Doug and me a five-course
> steak and chicken dinner. And on Xmas morning, he came with warm sweet
> rolls. Lois, the mother, has brought me thick soups. They are saints,
> and have promised to take care of me in case of power outage or
> whatever. Many stars for their crowns, I must say.

Indeed!!!! I'm very happy for you, Alyce, these are great neighbors.

Karen

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> I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to
tell
> them to expect: English language discussion?  A
geographically-distributed
> bunch of close friends who like gossip, language, regionalisms,
> geography?  A crank gang of old farts?
>
> Pete

Yes.  Tell it like it is.

       - D. M.

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> Doris Markland said:
> > Want me to send you some macadamia nuts?
> > I think each nut is guaranteed to put a pound on you.
> > Problem is, if you starting eating them you can't stop.
>
> These Ghirardelli-coated ones are excellent. Once you get 'em open.
>
> Karen

I prefer the glazed ones.  Some have a coffee glaze,
some a honey or butterscotch glaze, cinnamon, or
can't remember what else.  Some people like the ones
with garlic flavor.

                       - D. M.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >> This led me, however, to google my own name just
> > now and found a little surprise.
>
> Why did you not see this reply at the time? And why don't you want him
> to mention politics? Because he has views different from yours? Or
> because it changes the balance of the show? (I never have heard it.)
>
> alyce

Obviously he could not be there to reply at the time
I posted.  I am surprised, however, to find that he
did read my post and at some time did respond.  None
of the posts are dated.

I just enjoy his humor so much.  But when he gets into
politics he gets really harsh, nasty, sarcastic.  Yes, it does
ruin the balance of the show.  I am not the only one
who feels this way.  I wish he'd stick with what he does
best, the story telling, although it's his show and he has
a right to do anything he wants.

                  - D. M.

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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 08:06:57PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Doris Markland said:
= > > Doris Markland said:
= > > > Nah.  I don't want people googling up
= > > > my conversations.
= > >
= > > But they can already--didn't Ann Borkin find this out? Or someone?
= > >
= > > Karen
= >
= > I may be wrong, but I think what she got
= > was postings from way back when, not
= > after we closed the gate.
=
= I thought they were recent.

I think they were an abberation (like the uga web archive was
unlocked or something).  I've been using this account
for a year, and the multinix domain (instead of patnsteph.net)
for the last couple and I can't google up anything relating to us
besides Pat's linux consultants listing.

As for the spam, I've been reading usenet this past week and I
didn't see any spam.  I hadn't thought about it until now.  On
news.xs4all.nl there are four messages in bit.listserv.words-l.
That's all for 21-10 to 25-11.  Yes, three are spam for sure, but
the fourth is an apology for the third.  I don't usually see
apologies for spam.  Also, we have had at least that many spams
to the list via our normal front door.

There wouldn't be any point to setting the list to only take
postings from subscibers and having the gateway open - we'd be
seen but not talkable too for the bulk of us who would read the
list from our mailboxes instead of usenet.

X-No-Archive is respected by Google, I saw some discussion in one
of the newsgroups on just this point.

Also, some of us who might not like to be archived may not be
tech savvy enough to get their headers straight.  Or to post with
spam mangled addresses etc.  (I should test that one - post
somewhere and see how long it takes to get spam)

I was only kidding when I mentioned slashdot type moderation, but
these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
being web based is my sense.  The problem is then we've really
got to keep our server up.  This will take either personal effort
or some cash (not much, but some).  And we've got to "advertise".

We could just recruit in a.u.e with a once per quarter post
there.

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steph said:
> I was only kidding when I mentioned slashdot type moderation, but
> these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
> being web based is my sense.

I think this is true.

> The problem is then we've really
> got to keep our server up.

If Tushar is hosting the server, that shouldn't be a problem, because
he'll be able to control it entirely.

> We could just recruit in a.u.e with a once per quarter post
> there.

That's how we got Graham.

Karen

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steph writes,

>these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
>being web based is my sense.

A gang blog would probably be a good way to do it.

Pete

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Peter Kaminski said:
> steph writes,
>
> >these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
> >being web based is my sense.
>
> A gang blog would probably be a good way to do it.

But isn't that linear?

Karen

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On 1 Jan 2003 at 20:32, Karen Kay wrote:

> But not if we had new people.

The new people simply become part of the corporate self, and
everything goes on as usual.

    mem

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 1 Jan 2003 at 20:32, Karen Kay wrote:
> > But not if we had new people.
>
> The new people simply become part of the corporate self, and
> everything goes on as usual.

:) "You will be assimilated."

Karen

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 09:17:28PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > I was only kidding when I mentioned slashdot type moderation, but
= > these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
= > being web based is my sense.
=
= I think this is true.
=
= > The problem is then we've really
= > got to keep our server up.
=
= If Tushar is hosting the server, that shouldn't be a problem, because
= he'll be able to control it entirely.
=

non sequitur alert.

We have a server, it is usually up, but it is not for production
use.  The "list" depending on a server being up is different from a
non-integral web page being mostly up.  I can be upset when my ground floor
floods and takes out my server, but you all are going to be
pissed when the hard drive crashes and we have to buy Tushar a
new computer and we don't have a "list" until we do.

= > We could just recruit in a.u.e with a once per quarter post
= > there.
=
= That's how we got Graham.
=
Well Graham posting in soc.bi is how you got me.

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 09:41:28PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
= steph writes,
=
= >these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
= >being web based is my sense.
=
= A gang blog would probably be a good way to do it.

Yeah, I was looking at blogspot with just that idea in mind,
which is what gave me the "cost money" part, since I could see us
actually paying for a no ad option.

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>
> >these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
> >being web based is my sense.
>
> A gang blog would probably be a good way to do it.
>
> Pete

A gang blog?  Well I <never>.

                  - D. M.

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Karen Kay writes,

>But isn't that linear?

Yep.  Don't see the problem with it, though.

Blogs attract people because they've got a simple, common interface;
because they accumulate juicy search keywords; they're easy to link to; and
if you're an RSS junkie, because they can speak RSS.

It's a friendly, attractive web face; it wouldn't do for real discussion.

"Without a blog, you're just a lurker on the net."

Pete

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 09:49:59PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Peter Kaminski said:
= > steph writes,
= >
= > >these days we're probably more likely to get some new blood by
= > >being web based is my sense.
= >
= > A gang blog would probably be a good way to do it.
=
= But isn't that linear?

And?

I don't read enough blogs to know whether blog software would let
you do the equivalent of mass delete based on subject, or user, etc.
That makes me think something running on slash might be more
appropriate.  It might be fun to make it run like E2.

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steph writes,

>Yeah, I was looking at blogspot with just that idea in mind,
>which is what gave me the "cost money" part, since I could see us
>actually paying for a no ad option.

Actually, if we can wait a little while (weeks for alpha, a couple months
for a strong beta, hopefully), it looks like I'm working on a commercial
hosted blog service.  I'd love to have some wordslers as alpha/beta users.

If that doesn't work out, I'd nominate Movable Type hosted on one of our
servers instead of blogspot.

Now that I think of it, words-l needs a wiki-ish thing as much as it needs
a blog, and that's intended to be part of the thing I'm working on, too.

Pete

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Doris Markland writes,

>A gang blog?  Well I <never>.

I was thinking you'd be particularly good at it, Doris. :)

Pete

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 08:06:10PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 07:26:14PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>>>Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
> >>>>Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
> >>>>Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
> >>>>type of influence she would exert.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Changing people is a sucker's game.
> >>>
> >>      I think we naturally change each other over time.
> >>
> >
> >Do not oppose home truths learned at the BTDT School of Hard Knocks!
>
>
>     Oh, quit throwing yourself at Janet.  It really is disgusting
> the way you suck up to her.

Hello? Aren't you the one practically curling up at MEM's feet
and about to lick his face any time now? GROSS!

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About the server:

I have already made a decision--it's not a 99.absurdnumberof9s%
uptime server, but it is cheap and it will do for starters. It
is certainly not at the mercy of a flooding basement. Because a
bit of installation and rigging is needed to get it running, and
because I am involving a friend to do much of the setup, I ask
for a month or so. Once done, I promise a pretty reliable server
to which I will add features over time.

About words-l on the web:

I personally have a different take on the issue. I believe
words-l is first and foremost an email list. Changing its
fundamental mode of delivery will rupture it too much. Since
the list works fine as it is, there is no need to move it away
from UGA or even the perhaps clunky L-soft software. I think a
blog-like presentation of, say, the most recent week's archives
would be a good enough honeypot (for new bees, HA HA HA HA). We
don't even need such a "blog" to be a working gadget--it can be
just a "view". If an interested outsider wants to respond, they
are very welcome to subscribe and we can even make that "one-
click". But words-l remains an email list.

With only one or two weeks' archives available on the web, I
THINK there is little danger of Google etc retaining posts. On
the other hand, that doesn't mean we remain invisible to search
engines. With WHTMs etc, we already have a tradition of posts we
retain permanently, and that's kind of what we want Google to
see us as anyway, right? I am pretty sure I can cook up a way
for Natalie and Adam and whoever else to mark some posts as
permanently archived. Not as flexible as the legendary "ftp
to ra" but hey, this is the web.

Anyway, that's my personal opinion. Contrary opinions welcome ...

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 10:33:46PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Now that I think of it, words-l needs a wiki-ish thing as much
> as it needs a blog,

I don't think anybody will disagree :-)

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On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 04:37:41PM -1000, Michael E. Macmillan wrote:
>
> We know Maui onions are better anyway.

I don't read J Random Casanova's posts!

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18:57 26.12.2002 -0800 skrev Betty:
>Hope it was a good one.
>
>. . .

And a very late thank you for your Secret Santa story!

Espen

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>alyce cresap said:
> > We are having an ice storm, so good wishes for the power lines staying
> > up would be appreciated. They say 1/2-1" of pure ice.
>
>Blech.      --Karen

Indeed.  Our world is also ice coated this morning.  My friends are lucky
this didn't come on New Year's Eve as they hiked up Cadillac.  I woke up
this morning to the odd sound of a windshield being scraped across the
street.  The bedroom skylights are coated with ice.

How are you this morning, Alyce?


    --bonniev

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>Thanks very much, Doris, but macadamias are not my favorites. I am very
>grateful for the offer, though.     --alyce

Almonds and walnuts are the best for you.  We are going to Sam's Club on
Wednesday.  If you promise to eat them, Alyce, I will buy you a jug of
almonds like I eat.  They are "natural whole, Sunkist, California Almonds,
Dry Roasted & Salted"  There are two pounds, eight ounces of them in a
jug.   I go through one jug about every two weeks.  High in calcium and
fiber.  170 calories in a 1/4 cup.


    --bonniev

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>don't even need such a "blog" to be a working gadget--it can be
>just a "view". If an interested outsider wants to respond, they
>are very welcome to subscribe and we can even make that "one-
>click". But words-l remains an email list.
>
>With only one or two weeks' archives available on the web, I
>THINK there is little danger of Google etc retaining posts. On
>the other hand, that doesn't mean we remain invisible to search
>engines. With WHTMs etc, we already have a tradition of posts we
>retain permanently,
>Anyway, that's my personal opinion. Contrary opinions welcome ...

This all sounds very good to me.   I like very much the idea of keeping it
an email list.  Or maybe it's just that I'm reluctant to have to learn
something new.


    --bonniev

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:

> Damn, southern charm goes out the window. Natalie get a pair. 2003 will be a
> part.

A pair of what?  What will 2003 be a part of?  I understand the first
sentence but nothing after it.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > Cnn.com says ""These are brand new in the marketplace," said Reid
> >
> > Brand new?  I find that pretty weird.  I don't know their history, but
> > it seems like forever and ever that I've heard of them.
>
> Jeeze, Natalie. Can you read the whole paragraph????? These are new
> varieties of the 24 approved Vidalia onions.

I was interested in the production area, not in varieties.

> > I thought the national law said that it was something like 13 counties,
> > but I can't remember for sure.  I thought that was what I saw when I was
> > googling earlier.
>
> I'm sure you're right.

Yes, I was right in what I remembered having read, although my further
research indicated the reason you sometimes see the figure 20.  It's 13
full counties and parts of 7 others = involvement of 20 counties.

--
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Janet:
>
> >Who's bent out of shape?
>
> Natalie, for one.

The present tense is inappropriate.  In fact, I wouldn't say I was bent
out of shape even when replying.  Seeing the old Graham was sort of a
nostalgic trip down memory lane.

> It's funny how she stubbornly refuses to concede
> that we're even a little less interesting than when we had more posters,
> more turnover, more variety. I don't see anything wrong in
> admitting that we're often stale and predictable. I don't need any

I find it funny that you think you can speak for my personal tastes.  I
don't have any trouble accepting the fact that you or others find the
list less interesting now than you did in the past.  I have never
pretended that everybody should have the same opinion of the list that I
have.  So what exactly is it that I'm stubbornly refusing to concede?
Should I lie and pretend to find the list less interesting now so that I
can appear to be more <intellectual> or less mutant or whatever?  I
really don't like that kind of phony behavior.

--
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At 01:21 AM 1/2/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:

>About words-l on the web:
>
>I personally have a different take on the issue. I believe
>words-l is first and foremost an email list. Changing its
>fundamental mode of delivery will rupture it too much. Since
>the list works fine as it is, there is no need to move it away
>from UGA or even the perhaps clunky L-soft software. I think a
>blog-like presentation of, say, the most recent week's archives
>would be a good enough honeypot (for new bees, HA HA HA HA). We
>don't even need such a "blog" to be a working gadget--it can be
>just a "view". If an interested outsider wants to respond, they
>are very welcome to subscribe and we can even make that "one-
>click". But words-l remains an email list.

I like this approach.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > oh, oh.   Ours doesn't have a turntable.
>
> It's a great convenience--you never have to take stuff out and turn it
> or stir it.

I follow the directions on the package.  If it says to stir it after X
length of time, I do so.  If it doesn't say that, I don't.  That's what
I did with the rotating microwave, and that's what I do with the
non-rotating one.  No different behavior between the two, as far as I've
noticed.  (I can throw in a third microwave, now that I think about it
-- the one in Japan.  I don't think it rotated, although I can't
remember for sure.  I rarely used it.  I did use the toaster oven every
day.)

> > >Also, you can make your own latte in a microwave. (I know this is very
> > >important to you.:) )       --Karen
> >
> > How does one do that?
>
> I don't know how you do it in one without a turntable. Ligniere taught
> me this: put the milk in the cup, then cook it till it threatens to
> overflow, in my microwave, 1 minute and 50 seconds PRECISELY.

What does a turntable have to do with it?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Are you saying that you would not speak of yourself if we had new
> people? Would any of us stop doing it? Doubtful.

I would hope it wouldn't stop.  It's what makes Words-L different from
the usual professional or hobbyist or whatever lists.

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Doris Markland wrote:


> I just enjoy his humor so much.  But when he gets into
> politics he gets really harsh, nasty, sarcastic.  Yes, it does
> ruin the balance of the show.  I am not the only one
> who feels this way.  I wish he'd stick with what he does
> best, the story telling, although it's his show and he has
> a right to do anything he wants.


        I think he is fairly dark and sarcastic all the time --
there's no sweetness to his storytelling.  I like it when he
injects politics.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> for Natalie and Adam and whoever else to mark some posts as
> permanently archived. Not as flexible as the legendary "ftp

Me?  Why am I in the picture?

I assume y'all realize that the old WHTMs are still intact -- all the
ones that were done while I was listowner:

ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/WHTM/

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Peter Kaminski said:
> Actually, if we can wait a little while (weeks for alpha, a couple months
> for a strong beta, hopefully), it looks like I'm working on a commercial
> hosted blog service.  I'd love to have some wordslers as alpha/beta users.

I volunteer.

> Now that I think of it, words-l needs a wiki-ish thing as much as it needs
> a blog, and that's intended to be part of the thing I'm working on, too.

I was waiting for the wiki shoe to drop.:)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> > I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to tell
> > them to expect: English language discussion?  A geographically-distributed
> > bunch of close friends who like gossip, language, regionalisms,
> > geography?  A crank gang of old farts?
>
> Yes.  When did you join, Pete?  Aren't you post-gateway?  How did you
> find us?

Post-gateway?????

Karen

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At 08:31 AM 12/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > I don't think I can get any of these, or similar.  Somewhere I have a
> > wedding picture of me in a plain black pair of them (1961)!
>
>They're calling these "cat's eye" too.  If these are also cat's eye, then
>I don't get the concept:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/3xhw
>
>Ann

I don't care who makes 'em, those definitely aren't cat's eye glasses.

lisa

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bonniev said:
> > > I don't know how you do it in one without a turntable. Ligniere taught
> > > me this: put the milk in the cup, then cook it till it threatens to
> > > overflow, in my microwave, 1 minute and 50 seconds PRECISELY.
> >
> >What does a turntable have to do with it?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> What I don't understand is why that would froth milk, as in latte, and not
> simple heat it.

Er, frothing milk *does* heat it, Bonnie.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> As for my opinion, I think no matter what we did it would be hard to get
> new members now.  Anyone coming in feels like they have joined an in-crowd
> that would be very hard to understand and stick with.   Not many people
> have the time or energy to read 200 posts a day for a few weeks to get to
> know a bunch of people who know each other so well and appear to talk in
> riddles.

I think people are more used to this now than they used to be, since
online communities are more common.

Karen

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At 09:35 AM 1/2/2003 -0500, lisa wrote:
>>  Favre is awesome, but there's not that much else going on there.
>>Marie
>
>Favre is great. The rest of his team is beat up.
....
>  Even with their decision to
>lay down in the second half of the game, I'm not sure they'll get deep into
>the playoffs w/o home field advantage.

It doesn't look good for them---apparently Sharper (DB) and Driver (WR) are
still in bad shape, and they need both of them playing well.

  I see where McNabb is supposed to start practicing today.

cwv

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alyce cresap said:
> Walnuts are another of my non-favorites, unless chopped up in cookies or
> something.

They are good chopped and on French toast.

Pistachios are good.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Anne Toal wrote:
> >
> > One word for you Alyce: Florida.
> >
> Yuck.

Texas! It was 72 yesterday.

Karen

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 08:34:17AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= bonniev wrote:
=
= > As I recall it, it wasn't spam that made us close the gate either.  It was
= > simply that everything on Usenet was getting archived forever and some
= > wordslers didn't like that.
=
= That's my memory also, but it's a vague one.  About all I remember about
= it is that most of us were for it -- for zapping the connection -- and
= that I was sitting there at the Macinshit in Japan during the
= discussion.

Actually, you can google on this, which is what I was doing last
night.  Anne held a secret vote.  I couldn't find the results
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>But wire-rims are <classic>; they've never *really* gone out of style.
>
>Karen

Wire as the material hasn't changed. The size and shape certainly has.

lisa

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bonniev wrote:
>
> How are you this morning, Alyce?

The power stayed on, but every branch and twig has ice. Now it is all
melting off and it is as if it were raining. As for my health, I cannot
say. I awoke at 4 totally unable to breathe. Luckily, I had filled my
nebulizer before going to sleep so it would be ready for morning. I had
a hard time getting it going, but finally did. Then I went to the
kitchen and drank a cup of water as hot as I could stand, ate four donut
holes as a basis for the prednisone (which I took at 5, two hours
early). Then I went back to bed and dozed until 8:30 at which time I did
the nebulizer again. I can do it every four hours.

Got up, had coffee, fed Spike, fed birds, paid a couple of hills, and
here I am. But breathing, while not gasping, is not really right. I
mean, I am totally conscious of each breath, and breathing should be
pretty much unnoticed. I am quite sure I am filling up with fluids, and
cannot produce a productive cough. And so it goes, pardon the disgusting
detail.

alyce

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Makes sense to me.  I like words-l as email arriving at my primary
email box.  The times I've tried to put words-l in some side pocket and
promise myself to check it, I didn't.

Sharon

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> About the server:
>
> I have already made a decision--it's not a 99.absurdnumberof9s%
> uptime server, but it is cheap and it will do for starters. It
> is certainly not at the mercy of a flooding basement. Because a
> bit of installation and rigging is needed to get it running, and
> because I am involving a friend to do much of the setup, I ask
> for a month or so. Once done, I promise a pretty reliable server
> to which I will add features over time.
>
> About words-l on the web:
>
> I personally have a different take on the issue. I believe
> words-l is first and foremost an email list. Changing its
> fundamental mode of delivery will rupture it too much. Since
> the list works fine as it is, there is no need to move it away
> from UGA or even the perhaps clunky L-soft software. I think a
> blog-like presentation of, say, the most recent week's archives
> would be a good enough honeypot (for new bees, HA HA HA HA). We
> don't even need such a "blog" to be a working gadget--it can be
> just a "view". If an interested outsider wants to respond, they
> are very welcome to subscribe and we can even make that "one-
> click". But words-l remains an email list.
>
> With only one or two weeks' archives available on the web, I
> THINK there is little danger of Google etc retaining posts. On
> the other hand, that doesn't mean we remain invisible to search
> engines. With WHTMs etc, we already have a tradition of posts we
> retain permanently, and that's kind of what we want Google to
> see us as anyway, right? I am pretty sure I can cook up a way
> for Natalie and Adam and whoever else to mark some posts as
> permanently archived. Not as flexible as the legendary "ftp
> to ra" but hey, this is the web.
>
> Anyway, that's my personal opinion. Contrary opinions welcome ...
>

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > > I don't know how you do it in one without a turntable. Ligniere taught
> > > me this: put the milk in the cup, then cook it till it threatens to
> > > overflow, in my microwave, 1 minute and 50 seconds PRECISELY.
> >
> > What does a turntable have to do with it?
>
> Things cook more evenly. When I make oatmeal, I can follow the locus
> of cooking by the rise and fall of the oatmeal; this morning I did the
> same thing with my cup of milk (before putting coffee in it). If the
> bowl/cup weren't moving, it would overflow.

Oatmeal is the one thing that might make me replace my microwave if it
dies.  I frequently eat oatmeal for breakfast in winter, and I always do
it in the microwave.  I'm not sure what following the locus of cooking
means, though.  I just follow the instructions on the side of the
oatmeal cannister.  Not that I need to look at them.  I know what they
say.  Half cup oatmeal, one cup water, cook for 3 minutes.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> >
> > > you just have to pause it halfway through heating and turn the
> > > food around.  this is to make sure that the food gets heated
> > > all the way through.
> >
> > Hmm.  I never do that, but my food seems to be heated appropriately.
>
> What happened to "I follow the directions on the package.  If it says
> to stir it after X length of time, I do so.  If it doesn't say that, I
> don't."

?  What do you mean what happened to it?  That's what I do.  If it says
stir after X length of time, I do so.  If it doesn't, I don't so.

--
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, lisa alfieri wrote:

> Nuts are fantastic. I've really gotten into them since starting the weight
> watchers gig. WW doesn't promote them but my foray into healthy living has
> helped me discover how great nuts can be for you, in moderation of course.
>

I'm doing WW right now and what I miss most is nuts.  The point value is
so high that I just can't find a way to work them in.  How do you do it
Lisa?  Do you eat them straight or as part of a trail mix or in cooking?
I want to eat them straight by the handful.

 Sharon

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----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Kaminski
>Assuming your moral compass allows you to continue, I think you still have
>to be guided by the Golden Rule.  How much are you willing to have your
>soldiers and officers mistreated by the enemy in the pursuit of
>information?  That's the line to stop at, or a little before.  If you don't
>stop there, you have no grounds for complaining when it happens to your
>people.


Certainly that rule is important to consider, but I think we really need to
collectively maintain our sense of morality for all as a culture importance,
and not allow our law to be brought down to the lowest common denominator.
This is entirely independent of our enemy's behavior.

Individuals make their own choices, and I am aware that some soldiers (ours
included) have extremely low moral standards, and/or regards for their
prisoners, but that can never be tolerated as a general American policy.

The same conditions apply to law enforcement and their "suspects."

It is extremely important for our culture to maintain the moral high-ground.
It is the foundation for our national dignity and prosperity.

That's what I think...

'Alan

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Not that I need to look at them.  I know what they
> say.  Half cup oatmeal, one cup water, cook for 3 minutes.

And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.

Karen

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alyce cresap writes,

>Of course I undersrand blogging not at all, but if you are suggesting
>that Words-L become a blog, I think I vote no. Would it not change the
>entire nature of our accustomed intercourse? Call me dumb, but I don't
>get it.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I think Words-L should remain a list, just as it
is.  Similar to Tushar's suggestion, I think we should also have a
weblog/wiki that wordslers can post to, to create an attractive web face.

Having a password-protected one to serve as (another) private group memory
wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

Pete

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alyce cresap wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>>Almonds and walnuts are the best for you.
>>
>
> Walnuts are another of my non-favorites, unless chopped up in cookies or
> something. ALmonds are OK. But please don't go to trouble for me--I can
> get them here, but it never had occurred to me. Peanuts and cashews are
> the only nuts that ever have been in my mental nut inventory.


        I bought some glazed walnuts not long ago, and they are
really, really good -- and I don't like walnuts that much by
themselves.  Loaded with calories, too.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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lisa alfieri writes,

>So, what do we do with the people we capture and don't get information out
>of? Let them go? Nice idea. I love idealism. I encourage idealism. We do
>not live in an idealistic world though. Do our soldiers get turned loose?

I'm not sure where you got the idea that people are captured for the
purpose of extracting information.

In my understanding, when you're at war, you capture combatants and then
keep them out of the action.  When the war's over, you return them.

I don't know what you do about our crazy government that says it's a war
when they want it to be a war, or not a war when they don't, or that says
POWs are not POWs.

>Better surveillance is a good idea. One of the reasons we have the Homeland
>Security Act is because we're trying to make strides in this area. Would
>you care to remind me how you feel about this? I suppose though that
>surveillance of our enemies on their territory is not subject to the same
>guidelines as the citizens of this country would like.

It seems simple to me.  You gain as much information as you can, without
removing people's human or civil rights, and without serious transgressions
of international law and custom.  You integrate and analyze the information
you have intelligently.

Surveillance that goes beyond that, on their territory or ours, is a bad idea.

Pete

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lisa alfieri said:
> >This was my first present-free Christmas ever. And of course it
> >really wasn't--I got presents from two friends. I liked it.
> >
> >Karen
>
> As much as I don't like shopping I wouldn't like a present free Christmas
> either. I truly enjoy giving gifts. I've also learned to enjoying receiving
> gifts, especially things I need but wouldn't buy for myself.

Ah, but the enjoyment of giving and receiving gifts is entirely
disconnected from Christmas. I mean, why wait for a holiday? I love
giving and receiving presents. But the important part of holidays
isn't the presents, or even the food: it's the presence, if you
will. The company. The family.

Karen

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> But please, not if they are just going to talk about Moxy Fruvous and
> stuff, because I don't understand it and would just delete, delete,
> delete.

I don't know how you can stand this list as it is now without
delete-delete-deleting!

And, you could LEARN about Moxy Fruvous, if you didn't want to delete!

Ann

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

> The reason we closed the gate, as I vividly recall, was that very nasty
> and lewd things were attributed to people...things they never said. Sex
> things and stuff that was fairly embarrassing.

I don't understand.  How was this possible?  Or, do you mean that say
Bonniev attributed nasty and lewd things to say me?  Insider slander?

Ann

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Natalie Maynor said:
> >>  Not that I need to look at them.  I know what they
> >>  say.  Half cup oatmeal, one cup water, cook for 3 minutes.
> >
> >And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
>
> I never do oatmeal in the m-wave -- the texture isn't right, too
> mushy or something. I do it on the stovetop.

Ah. I never ate oatmeal when it was cooked on a stovetop--it used to
make me throw up, which somehow seemed redundant. I've only really
eaten the microwave kind.

Karen

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We have a good amount of heavy wet snow this morning.  It is
wet enough that it is melting off the roads easily and
getting around isn't slippery.  I was debating calling the
doctor's office for an appointment, but I figured he'd have
cancellations today, and indeed they told me to just come on
in.  My cold has come back, and I feel like shit and I can't
imagine going back to school still so totally exhausted.  I
now have some antibiotics.  We'll see if they do the trick.
  I also picked up some vitamins that "foster natural
energy" -- they have bee pollen or something in them and
lots of B vitamins.  I'm hoping they help.  My New Year's
resolution is to figure out why I'm so tired all the time
and do something about it.

But I did take some photos of Ana in her snazzy new winter coat:

http://www.etext.org/~rita/snowydayphotos.html



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On 2 Jan 2003 at 11:34, lisa alfieri wrote:

> Sure why not. I don't mind doling out more of my paycheck for such a
> noble cause. I'm sure I can live with less than 50% of my earnings.

You wouldn't have to dole out any more of your paycheck than you
already are. If you buy these guys off, you don't have to keep paying
for soldiers to hunt them down and kill them or pay for keeping them
in Cuban concentration camps or pay for more billion-dollar airplanes
to bomb them and so on.


     mem

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>But clothes - hey, what do you think all those assembly line employees do
>for fun while they are working???
>
>Bethany

uh.. dream about better wages, bathroom breaks and freedom from oppression?

lisa

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HEB brand cat food is 22 cents a can. Is this cheap, or should I look elsewhere?

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> I'm OK now. My plan is to call 911 if I have another attack. If I get
> into an emergency room, I will get more treatment and answers. I feel
> sure it is pleurisy or some other kind of fluid buildup. I have been
> Googling, and it sure sounds like this is my problem. My doctor serves
> several towns and is not in G'town today. So if he said to come in, I
> wouldn't be able to, and he already has pulled out his entire bag of
> tricks, I think, except draining the fluid. Tuesday is G'town day.

Ah. Okay, I think the 911 plan is a good one.

Karen

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>HEB brand cat food is 22 cents a can. Is this cheap, or should I look
>elsewhere?
>Karen

That's pretty cheap.    How is the kitty?  Does it ever come
inside?  What's its name?


    --bonniev

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At 06:07 PM 12/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
> > Oh, the storm came.  They are cancelling New Year's Eve events in Bangor as
>
>I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
>not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
>party.  But I am especially happy tonight as I sit here listening to the
>pelting rain.  It's not that I am on the don't-invite list, btw.  There
>really isn't much NY's Eve partying among people I know in Starkville.
>Never has been, although I have been to a couple of such parties.  Lots
>of people are out of town at this time of year (as I have been on many
>NY's Eves, especially in relatively recent years when my mother and I
>would talk about whether we'd be able to stay awake until 11:00 to watch
>Times Square on tv, which we usually didn't).
>
>I do have some good NY's Eve memories, though, from way, way back.  I
>had a great NY's Eve party in about the tenth grade.  My friend Amanda
>spent the night, and I still remember her looking out the window the
>next morning and saying that my parents were out there cleaning up the
>fireworks debris from the street.  One especially great memory is the
>year I got back to Melbourne (FL) on Dec. 31, after spending the
>holidays in Jackson, and went to a wonderful party at somebody's house,
>where the police kept knocking on the door to tell us to hold it down.
>I remember that we watched the clock after midnight and called various
>people as it hit midnight farther west, ending with Charlie, our friend
>who had moved to Mountain View, California, to make titty-pink
>lightbulbs.  That was 3 a.m. for us.  Ah youth.  I also have a great
>memory of a NY's Eve in London.  I think that must have been the
>welcoming of '79.  Somewhere I have a picture that would document it.
>And I remember one strange NY's Eve in Starkville when four of us
>discovered we were all back in town and decided to get together at my
>house that night (two houses ago), where we got drunk and played
>Canasta, of all the weird things, and then went wandering out into the
>town and ended up eating blackeyed peas a little after midnight in an
>apartment not far from where I later lived.
>
>Why am I writing this stuff??  It just started popping out.  I know you
>are all just fascinated beyond word by my exciting life.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm glad you posted it.. I wanted to know if it was part of your tradition
to eat blackeyed peas and "joe". I just read an article in the Boston Globe
insinuating all "southern's" ate this meal new year's day.

lisa

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bonniev wrote:
>
> I don't get it either.  But here is a blog page that is made up of
> women.  I looked around it.  Found it mildly interesting:
>
> http://blogsisters.blogspot.com/

I am obviously too dumb for this. They have a burning issue and a
survey? And then I am to click someone's name at random to see what she
says? The one I clicked said, "I am going to France tomorrow." And I
didn't know where to go from there. Saw no next message or go back
or....

Blogging is not me.

alyce

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= my soups. When I saute vegetables, I throw in some nuts. Nuts are good
= food.
=
= Karen

we get something they call "salad mix" at the nut stand at the
market.  it's pine nuts, pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds, raw
and unsalted.  they'd probably do well in your toaster oven, but
i just dry roast them in the cast iron frying pan.  yum.

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bonniev said:
> >HEB brand cat food is 22 cents a can. Is this cheap, or should I look
> >elsewhere?
> >Karen
>
> That's pretty cheap.

Okay.

> How is the kitty?

Pissed. I put it in the back yard, and it wants out. It eats, but it
glares at me whenever I go outside. (Which is actually pretty funny.)

> Does it ever come inside?

No. I picked it up to put it in the back yard and had to disinfect
myself aftwards, and my eyes itched all night.

It doesn't seem to have any desire to come inside, which is a good thing.

>  What's its name?

Doesn't have one.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>We have a good amount of heavy wet snow this morning.
>>
>
> You had 4" according to CNN. Glad you  got some medicine and hope it
> improves your well-being. Nice coat for Ana. Must not be very cold
> there, for it is unfastened.
>

        Yup.  Another 3 to come this afternoon.  I was going to go to
school today and do some work in my room, but I guess I'll
skip it or maybe go tomorrow.

        It is just below freezing... about 30 degrees... not very cold.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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             2003  1:27:29 pm"
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alyce cresap said:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand.  How was this possible?  Or, do you mean that say
> > Bonniev attributed nasty and lewd things to say me?  Insider slander?
>
> No. It was not internal slander. Someone had maliciously put our names
> to bad things and it was truly terrible (especially because I am an
> on-line businessperson and if someone wanted to check on my reputation,
> well...). I have no idea how it was accompliahsed, but when I searched
> my name (and others') these horrid things came up. Does no one else
> remember this?

It was a hacker, and happened to everyone. It's really no big deal,
even if you are an online businessperson.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> It was a hacker, and happened to everyone. It's really no big deal,
> even if you are an online businessperson.

Nonetheless, I was very upset by it. I am a prude, you know.

alyce

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>alyce cresap wrote:
>
>>  bonniev wrote:
>>
>>>Almonds and walnuts are the best for you.
>>>
>>
>>  Walnuts are another of my non-favorites, unless chopped up in cookies or
>>  something. ALmonds are OK. But please don't go to trouble for me--I can
>>  get them here, but it never had occurred to me. Peanuts and cashews are
>>  the only nuts that ever have been in my mental nut inventory.
>
>
>         I bought some glazed walnuts not long ago, and they are
>really, really good -- and I don't like walnuts that much by
>themselves.  Loaded with calories, too.

I made sugared almonds for the NYE party (my ex always gives me a
5-lb. sack of raw almonds from his family ranch at Christmastime).
Quite irresistible -- they're almost gone now.

Janet

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>The walnuts-on-French toast (with applesauce and cottage cheese) thing
>really opened my eyes to nuts, and one of my resolutions for last year
>was that I would incorporate more seeds and nuts into my cooking.
>
>I put nuts in my tomato sauce, I put toasted sesame seeds (which is
>something the toaster oven does exquisitely) on salads, I put nuts in
>my soups. When I saute vegetables, I throw in some nuts. Nuts are good
>food.

<g> I just re-installed Eudora the other day and haven't gotten
around to turning off the chili peppers. This post got three of them.

Janet

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>>  Janet Hardy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>   Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>>>>>   Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>>>>>   Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>  >>>>  type of influence she would exert.
>  >>>
>  >>>  Changing people is a sucker's game.
>  >>
>  >>         I think we naturally change each other over time.
>  >
>  > Yes, but I'm not sure that's to anyone's benefit.
>
>         That's because you're feeling bitter right now.  Some changes
>are good.

Yes, I'm feeling bitter right now -- I spent 13 years being told how
much Jay had changed for the better since I'd come into his life. I
always felt vaguely uncomfortable with it at the time. Now I suspect
it's because at some level I knew I was participating in a
reclamation project, not a relationship. (The fact that I made that
statement here is probably a pretty good argument *against*
re-opening the gateway.) I don't see this as his fault, I see it as
mine.

People change, of course (although not as often as one would
suppose), and I think that's generally an OK thing. Being changed
*by* somebody is a separate issue.

Janet

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>>steph said:
> >>>
> >>>>I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
> >>>of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
> >>>thing, so I gather that you are not alone.
> >>>
> >>
> >>        I don't know who came up with that "rule" for commas, but
> >>it's lousy and I can't believe it keeps getting passed on.
> >>I know it is the source of some of the stranger stray commas.
> >>
> >
> > Huh? What rule? That you can't hear them all?
>
>
>         The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.

That's not how English works.

Karen

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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 10:13:26AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= bonniev said:
= > >HEB brand cat food is 22 cents a can. Is this cheap, or should I look
= > >elsewhere?
= > >Karen
= >
= > That's pretty cheap.
=
= Okay.
=

Cheap dry food should be cheaper.  Murphy the monster cat gets 80 grams
per day, but he should get less.  An always outdoor cat might
need that much or more.

= > How is the kitty?
=
= Pissed. I put it in the back yard, and it wants out. It eats, but it
= glares at me whenever I go outside. (Which is actually pretty funny.)
=

You can train it to pretty much make a beeline from your front
door to your back door.  Then it can be out in front if you think
that'll make it (or you) happier.  This is what my sister has to do with
her outdoor cat, because the food needs to be on the back deck
where the neighborhood wildlife won't get it.  There wasn't
enough cat stuff in the house to set off my very allergic dad
even though the cat went back and forth multiple times a day.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
> > >
> > > Nope.
> >
> > All the oatmeal I've ever used does.
>
> What a bother that would be.  I'm happy that my kind does not require
> that.

Well, it doesn't require it if you have a turntable...

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> I'm glad you posted it.. I wanted to know if it was part of your tradition
> to eat blackeyed peas and "joe". I just read an article in the Boston Globe
> insinuating all "southern's" ate this meal new year's day.

All Southerners that I know of eat blackeyed peas on NY's Day.  That's
the one for-sure item.  Many also eat greens (turnip, collard, or
mustard) "for wealth."  And ham is a traditional NY's Day meat, though
not a <requirement> for most people I know.  I've heard that hog jowl is
a requirement in some African American families.  What's "joe"?  I've
never heard of it.  Could it be hog jowl?

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > steph said:
> > > I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
> >
> > That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
> > of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
> > thing, so I gather that you are not alone.
>
> It was the system for many years.  The so-called rhetorical system of
> punctuation in English changed to the so-called syntactical system in
> the late eighteenth century.

Hm. Japanese acquired punctuation in the 19th c. I don't know from
where.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita/snowydayphotos.html
>>
>
> Great pictures!  She looks suddenly grown up.
>


        Thank you.  She sure does.  She makes my coffee on the weekends.



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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Nope.
> > >
> > > All the oatmeal I've ever used does.
> >
> > What a bother that would be.  I'm happy that my kind does not require
> > that.
>
> Well, it doesn't require it if you have a turntable...

I don't understand your connection between a turntable and stirring.
The turntable I used to have didn't open containers and stick a fork
into them and stir them.  Does yours?  I once saw instructions on a
package that said to turn a dish after X length of time.  I didn't buy
it since that struck me as a bother.  My point is that if a package said
to turn the container around after X length of time, I can see how a
moving turntable would take care of the problem.  If something says to
stir, I stir, whether now without a moving turntable or in the past when
I did have a moving turntable.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
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>>        Thank you.  She sure does.  She makes my coffee on the weekends.
>>
>
> Dang! I knew I should have had children...


        LOL!




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> The walnuts-on-French toast (with applesauce and cottage cheese) thing
> really opened my eyes to nuts, and one of my resolutions for last year
> was that I would incorporate more seeds and nuts into my cooking.
>
> I put nuts in my tomato sauce, I put toasted sesame seeds (which is
> something the toaster oven does exquisitely) on salads, I put nuts in
> my soups. When I saute vegetables, I throw in some nuts. Nuts are good
> food.
>
> Karen

I make granola and in addition to cereals, seeds,
raisins, dates, dried apricots, I add sliced almonds,
English walnuts and pecans.  Wonderful way to
start the day.

                                    - D. M.

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>>  We have a new sex pro on worlds-l!
>>>
>>>  http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/01/02/toys/index1.html
>>
>>
>>  Is Ms. Croft a Wordsler?
>>
>>  Cute article, although I disagree with some of her assessments.
>
>
>         No, but one of her anonymous reviewers is.  This may have
>been discussed while you were on hiatus.

Ah, I guess so. I would certainly have remembered such a discussion.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > I'm glad you posted it.. I wanted to know if it was part of your tradition
> > to eat blackeyed peas and "joe". I just read an article in the Boston Globe
> > insinuating all "southern's" ate this meal new year's day.
>
> All Southerners that I know of eat blackeyed peas on NY's Day.  That's
> the one for-sure item.  Many also eat greens (turnip, collard, or
> mustard) "for wealth."  And ham is a traditional NY's Day meat, though
> not a <requirement> for most people I know.  I've heard that hog jowl is
> a requirement in some African American families.  What's "joe"?  I've
> never heard of it.  Could it be hog jowl?

Or could it have been Hoppin John?  Some people think that's what you
have to eat on NY's Day, but it wouldn't be "and blackeyed peas" since
they're in it.  I think they're its primary ingredient.  I can't
remember what else is in it -- hot peppers, I think, and ham or bacon.
Hoppin John is definitely John, though.  Not Joe.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:33:46AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:06:50AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= > = steph said:
= > = > Cheap dry food should be cheaper.  Murphy the monster cat gets 80 grams
= > = > per day, but he should get less.  An always outdoor cat might
= > = > need that much or more.
= > =
= > = I give it dry food, too. Wet food every couple of days.
= > =
= > Any particular reason?  I don't think they need it.
=
= Because I want to make it feel loved, and I can't pet it.
=

Murphy can't have wet food.  But every time anyone opens a can,
lookout.  I just opened a can of kimchi and had to show him that
it was *not* *cat* *food*.  He also comes running when Pat puts
more coffee into the grinder.

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22:06 27.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Belgian beer. The beer list is truly impressive. They have--dammit, I
>forgot the name. Uh... Gloog? A Swedish spiced wine that used to only
>be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
>SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.

Glögg.

Espen

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:06:33 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Condolences
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Janet Hardy wrote:


>
> Yes, I'm feeling bitter right now -- I spent 13 years being told how
> much Jay had changed for the better since I'd come into his life. I
> always felt vaguely uncomfortable with it at the time. Now I suspect
> it's because at some level I knew I was participating in a
> reclamation project, not a relationship. (The fact that I made that
> statement here is probably a pretty good argument *against*
> re-opening the gateway.) I don't see this as his fault, I see it as
> mine.


        I'm not sure what you mean by reclamation project, but I'm
assuming you're feeling used by the relationship.


> People change, of course (although not as often as one would
> suppose), and I think that's generally an OK thing. Being changed
> *by* somebody is a separate issue.


        I've been thinking about this, and you're right -- real
changes are rare.  I think what I had running around int he
back of my mind when I made that statement is that we can
bring out good and bad things each other -- I'm not sure if
that is change or not, but we do have mutual influence.  If
you were bringing out the best in Jay, that was a good thing
for him, but not if you were sacrificing the best in
yourself.  FWIW, I'm not sure what to think of Jay's book in
light of all this.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:38:29 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Condolences
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>        I've been thinking about this, and you're right -- real
>changes are rare.  I think what I had running around int he
>back of my mind when I made that statement is that we can
>bring out good and bad things each other -- I'm not sure if
>that is change or not, but we do have mutual influence.  If
>you were bringing out the best in Jay, that was a good thing
>for him, but not if you were sacrificing the best in
>yourself.  FWIW, I'm not sure what to think of Jay's book in
>light of all this.

If you're going to start judging books by the personalities of their
authors, you'll find your reading pretty circumscribed -- we're not a
nice bunch, as a general rule.

Jay's books are excellent. He's a thorough researcher and a
well-structured writer, and he knows his stuff inside and out before
he ever touches a keyboard. His <relationship skills> are not
relevant to that.

Janet
www.greenerypress.com

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Janet Hardy wrote:

>>        I've been thinking about this, and you're right -- real
>> changes are rare.  I think what I had running around int he
>> back of my mind when I made that statement is that we can
>> bring out good and bad things each other -- I'm not sure if
>> that is change or not, but we do have mutual influence.  If
>> you were bringing out the best in Jay, that was a good thing
>> for him, but not if you were sacrificing the best in
>> yourself.  FWIW, I'm not sure what to think of Jay's book in
>> light of all this.
>
>
> If you're going to start judging books by the personalities of their
> authors, you'll find your reading pretty circumscribed -- we're not a
> nice bunch, as a general rule.


        No, that's not what I meant.


> Jay's books are excellent. He's a thorough researcher and a
> well-structured writer, and he knows his stuff inside and out before
> he ever touches a keyboard. His <relationship skills> are not
> relevant to that.


        They are to some of the things he says in The Loving Dominant.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Neal Traven said:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:15:35 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
> >bonniev said:
> >> >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> >> >without resuming the USENET gateway?
> >> >--Adam
> >>
> >> Invite people over from other lists you are on.
> >
> >Man, I'd NEVER do that.
> >
> >Karen
>
> I did it at least once.  You may recall a certain M. Rosen.

Oh, yeah, that worked out well.

Karen

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 08:32:20AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > for Natalie and Adam and whoever else to mark some posts as
> > permanently archived. Not as flexible as the legendary "ftp
>
> Me?  Why am I in the picture?

I just remember your picking up WHTMs and putting them on Ra.
There certainly were copious announcements from "Dr Maynor",
about this or that being made available through FTP--or maybe
it was artemis@moon.in.the.sky? Har har har ...

> I assume y'all realize that the old WHTMs are still intact --
> all the ones that were done while I was listowner:
>
> ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/WHTM/

They will all be mirrored. No law against it, nothing can be
proved.

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 03:31:38PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Neal Traven said:
> > On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:15:35 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> > >bonniev said:
> >
> > >> >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> > >> >without resuming the USENET gateway?
> > >> >--Adam
> > >>
> > >> Invite people over from other lists you are on.
> > >
> > >Man, I'd NEVER do that.
> >
> > I did it at least once.  You may recall a certain M. Rosen.
>
> Oh, yeah, that worked out well.

Yeah Neal, you have given like the best reason ever not to
invite people from other lists!

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steph said:
> = > We could just recruit in a.u.e with a once per quarter post
> = > there.
> =
> = That's how we got Graham.
> =
> Well Graham posting in soc.bi is how you got me.

I'd rather recruit from soc.bi than a.u.e.

Karen

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I think Mr Ore is the #1 reader of my ramblings ...

On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 09:12:42AM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
> 18:57 26.12.2002 -0800 skrev Betty:
> >Hope it was a good one.
> >
> >. . .
>
> And a very late thank you for your Secret Santa story!

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Natalie Maynor said:
> > I don't know how you do it in one without a turntable. Ligniere taught
> > me this: put the milk in the cup, then cook it till it threatens to
> > overflow, in my microwave, 1 minute and 50 seconds PRECISELY.
>
> What does a turntable have to do with it?

Things cook more evenly. When I make oatmeal, I can follow the locus
of cooking by the rise and fall of the oatmeal; this morning I did the
same thing with my cup of milk (before putting coffee in it). If the
bowl/cup weren't moving, it would overflow.

Karen

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At 09:29 AM 1/2/2003 -0500, lisa wrote:

>Corn pastas? Never heard of such a thing. Can you point me to a corn pasta,
>peppers (or not) and beans recipe? It sounds interesting.

As a start, try

www.yumyum.com

and then select "pastas" from the search list.

I lightly brown some bacon or pancetta pieces, saute (sweat) garlic and
onion or shallot, add a can of well-rinsed Roman (cranberry) beans, a can
of tomatoes with green chilis (or just tomatoes with fresh chopped poblano,
anaheims, and jalapenos).  Cook until the beans just get soft and serve
over corn pasta.

You have to watch the liquid level in the pan; I drain the tomatoes and add
that juice (or water) to keep the beans moist while they cook---takes about
15 minutes total.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Not that I need to look at them.  I know what they
> > say.  Half cup oatmeal, one cup water, cook for 3 minutes.
>
> And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.

Nope.

--
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Alan Wild writes,

>It is extremely important for our culture to maintain the moral high-ground.
>It is the foundation for our national dignity and prosperity.

Well said, Alan.

Pete

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> I don't understand.  How was this possible?  Or, do you mean that say
> Bonniev attributed nasty and lewd things to say me?  Insider slander?

No. It was not internal slander. Someone had maliciously put our names
to bad things and it was truly terrible (especially because I am an
on-line businessperson and if someone wanted to check on my reputation,
well...). I have no idea how it was accompliahsed, but when I searched
my name (and others') these horrid things came up. Does no one else
remember this?

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 08:06:10PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 07:26:14PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>>>>>>Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>>>>>>Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>>>>>>type of influence she would exert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Changing people is a sucker's game.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     I think we naturally change each other over time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Do not oppose home truths learned at the BTDT School of Hard Knocks!
>>>
>>
>>    Oh, quit throwing yourself at Janet.  It really is disgusting
>>the way you suck up to her.
>>
>
> Hello? Aren't you the one practically curling up at MEM's feet
> and about to lick his face any time now? GROSS!


        You're just jealous, darling.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Janet Hardy said:
> >The walnuts-on-French toast (with applesauce and cottage cheese) thing
> >really opened my eyes to nuts, and one of my resolutions for last year
> >was that I would incorporate more seeds and nuts into my cooking.
> >
> >I put nuts in my tomato sauce, I put toasted sesame seeds (which is
> >something the toaster oven does exquisitely) on salads, I put nuts in
> >my soups. When I saute vegetables, I throw in some nuts. Nuts are good
> >food.
>
> <g> I just re-installed Eudora the other day and haven't gotten
> around to turning off the chili peppers. This post got three of them.

WHY??????

Karen

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> I never do oatmeal in the m-wave -- the texture isn't right, too
> mushy or something. I do it on the stovetop.

I used to do it on the stovetop, but I much prefer the microwave
method.  One thing I like is that it always is perfect.  The microwave
stops at precisely the right moment for the texture to be the way I want
it.  It was less predictable back in my stovetop days.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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steph said:
> Cheap dry food should be cheaper.  Murphy the monster cat gets 80 grams
> per day, but he should get less.  An always outdoor cat might
> need that much or more.

I give it dry food, too. Wet food every couple of days.

> You can train it to pretty much make a beeline from your front
> door to your back door. Then it can be out in front if you think
> that'll make it (or you) happier.  This is what my sister has to do with
> her outdoor cat, because the food needs to be on the back deck
> where the neighborhood wildlife won't get it.  There wasn't
> enough cat stuff in the house to set off my very allergic dad
> even though the cat went back and forth multiple times a day.

I'll think about it. The problem is that there isn't a straight line
from my front door to the back door (for feng shui reasons!).

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > > And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope.
> > > >
> > > > All the oatmeal I've ever used does.
> > >
> > > What a bother that would be.  I'm happy that my kind does not require
> > > that.
> >
> > Well, it doesn't require it if you have a turntable...
>
> I don't understand your connection between a turntable and stirring.
> The turntable I used to have didn't open containers and stick a fork
> into them and stir them.  Does yours?  I once saw instructions on a
> package that said to turn a dish after X length of time.  I didn't buy
> it since that struck me as a bother.  My point is that if a package said
> to turn the container around after X length of time, I can see how a
> moving turntable would take care of the problem.  If something says to
> stir, I stir, whether now without a moving turntable or in the past when
> I did have a moving turntable.

You stir to make sure that everything heats evenly. Everything heats
evenly when you have a turntable.

Karen

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:34:24AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
> http://blogsisters.blogspot.com/

  But even in the darkest of corners
  some things refuse to die --
  some small husk still
  riddled with seeds,
  some insistent root
  defying the dust,
  some dormant dream
  of a riotous clash of hearts,
  curious clutch of minds,
  a dance of hands that
  hope and hold and, too soon,
  let go.

  She thought she was done with him,
  except his voice
  still pulls at her belly
  like the insistent tides of the moon.
  So when he calls
  from places lush
  with a thousand thriving things,
  she sends him dewy lavender
  wrapped in familiar black lace,
  because, they say,
  the sense of smell
  is the most visceral,
  holding even the darkening
  memory of the dying.

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 08:40:25AM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I think Words-L should remain a list, just as
> it is.  Similar to Tushar's suggestion, I think we should also have a
> weblog/wiki that wordslers can post to, to create an attractive web
> face.

I was thinking simply a display which looks like a blog--and has
the most recent posts. Nobody has to do a thing. Are you talking
about a wiki separate from all this?

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>I assume y'all realize that the old WHTMs are still intact -- all the
>ones that were done while I was listowner:
>
>ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/docs/words-l/WHTM/
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

What fun.  Here's a WHTM from a Christmas in my past (before Maine) life,
complete with my erg times and my Youngstown Freenet email address.  Ah,
those were the days.


Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:23:38 -0500
From: "Bonnie M. Voigtlander" <ao246@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      What a day! or Christmas at the mall
To: Multiple recipients of list WORDS-L <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

What was I thinking!  It must have been oxygen deprivation to the
brain from interval training on the erg this morning.

I drove into Knoxville to the mall on the Saturday before Christmas.

My main purpose was to get the last little Christmas village at
Dillard's.  They had a special this year in which you bought a little
house for $5 on each Thursday (or as long as they lasted) of the nine
weeks before Chistmas.  If you got all nine you could send in the handy
little certificate and get free the village clock tower (with an actual
working clock).

I don't usually buy into this stuff but I've been wanting a Christmas
Village for some years and this seemed like an inexpensive way to get
one.  I was suspicious and rightly so.  There were no little "Trinity
Church" houses left today.  They probably had three or four and sold out
on Thursday.

And how I suffered to not get my little house!  The traffic was hideous.
There was an accident, complete with fire engine, at the west entrance
to the mall.  The only way to find a parking spot was to stalk some likely
woman carrying packages into the parking lot.  In the mall itself the
people looked so tired and unhappy.

Middle-aged men, in particular, look so sad at a mall at Christmas time.
They wander about without purpose or direction hoping against hope that
a present, preferably wrapped and labeled, will jump out at them and
satisfy the dreams of their wives or significant others.

One older woman stomped her foot and said "Damn" just as I was approaching
her.  I stopped and smiled kindly.  She asked me in desperation if I knew
where the escalator was.  I did.  She was pathetically grateful.

Having bombed out on my Christmas Village house, I went to buy some coffee
at Barnie's.  Disaster.  I got the same comotose young man I had last
week.  When I asked for a pound each of espresso and golden espresso he
recognized me and wanted to know if I had drank all the espresso I
bought last week!  Jeez!

As he laboriously measured out my coffee beans, labeled the bag, ground the
beans, I managed to catch the eye of a swifter clerk and scored a medium
latte so that I had something to do while the comatose one slowly filled
my order.  Not that I was that eager to get back out there into traffic
anyway.

Finally I was free of the mall and the west end traffic and on I-40
headed back to Oak Ridge.  While waiting at stop lights I managed to
clean out the back seat of my car.  I found an old Doors tape which
features Jim Morrison reading his poetry.  Good stuff:  "I intend to
get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames."

Listening to Jim (and thinking of Shoshana) I drove towards the setting
sun which was doing a magnificent job of lighting up the Cumberland
mountains to a very deep purple.

Home at last, I have a Scotch in hand and feel mellow once more in
my recluse cave.

--
bonniev, croneErgomaniac     <ao246@yfn.ysu.edu>
12/11  5000 meters in 22:22.5 minutes (2:13.7)
12/13  5000 meters in 22:55.7 minutes (2:17.6) 1st 2500m (2:10.4)
12/16  6 x 500 meters 2:02/2:01.9/2:01.6/2:01.8/2:01.7/2:01.9



    --bonniev

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> What do y'all think?

I think it would be a terrible idea. Back in the day, RichH said "USENET is
a sewer" and that was before it got really bad. Now it truly is a sewer, and
although Listserv has some spam-rejection features, they only come into play
if a bunch of Listserv lists are posted to simultaneously. A USENET-based
spam that didn't target Listserv lists would get through.

But that's only an external reason why it's a bad idea. Most posts would go
into publicly-searchable archives that many people object to, me included.
Right now the list is set so that you must be a subscriber to search the
archives on Uga Cooga, but you don't have to be a subscriber to post to the
list. The latter feature is why the occasional spam slips through to the
list, but meebers said they liked it that way.

The USENET gateway should remain closed.

-aht

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One word for you Alyce: Florida.

-a
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> We are having an ice storm, so good wishes for the power lines staying
> up would be appreciated. They say 1/2-1" of pure ice. It is sleeting
> now, but as temp falls, the ice cometh. The idea of going onto the big
> oxy tank in the dark freaks me out. As you all know.
> --
> alyce
>

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>The reason we closed the gate, as I vividly recall, was that very nasty
>and lewd things were attributed to people...things they never said. Sex
>things and stuff that was fairly embarrassing. I'd like not to have my
>name on that sort of thing again. If it matters.
>alyce

I think you are confusing a couple of things.  Around the time we closed
the gate, someone hacked into one of the Usenet search engines.  No matter
whose name your typed in, you found nasty quotes and references attributed
to that person.  This had nothing to do with words-l or Usenet.  It had
everything to do with a hacker.  It was fixed within a few days and one no
longer found those things on the search engine.

As I recall it, it wasn't spam that made us close the gate either.  It was
simply that everything on Usenet was getting archived forever and some
wordslers didn't like that.

As for my opinion, I think no matter what we did it would be hard to get
new members now.  Anyone coming in feels like they have joined an in-crowd
that would be very hard to understand and stick with.   Not many people
have the time or energy to read 200 posts a day for a few weeks to get to
know a bunch of people who know each other so well and appear to talk in
riddles.

    --bonniev

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>Gold edges. But then perhaps I would not put a dinner plate in, but
>something else and then transfer the food to the plate? Or is that not
>done?        --alyce

I have gold edges also.  And it is perfectly alright to transfer
food.  Paper plates work.  Crockery mugs work.  Even a paper towel works
when one wants to warm up a muffin or something.


    --bonniev

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
> without resuming the USENET gateway?

We've had occasional fresh meat since closing the gateway.  How have
they found us?  Has it always been by <reference> from a Wordsler?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I have no trouble heating frozen things in my regular oven. And I have a
> > toaster oven, too, but the frozen things mostly say, "Do not heat in a
> > toaster oven." Why is that?
>
> Because the container will burn.

BS.  Ignore those messages on packages, Alyce.  You can do in a toaster
oven anything you can do in a big oven.  I can't imagine why one person
or even two people would ever have a reason to turn on a full-sized oven
except when cooking huge things for guests (or big batches of
cheese-bacon crispies to take to a nursing home -- I used the big oven
and both toaster ovens for that so that I wouldn't have to do as many
rounds of cooking them).

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Oh, and if you buy a microwave, make sure you get one with a
> turntable.

My old one rotated.  My current one doesn't.  I haven't noticed any
difference.  (I still own the old one, of course.  The last I heard, the
renters had put it out in the storage building since they'd brought
their own microwave.  I had meant to pick it up and put it in the
storage building here, but I never did.  I guess it still exists.  I
didn't bring it originally since the one here is built into the wall --
i.e., I couldn't replace it with my old one, which is probably newer
than the one in the wall here.)

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At 10:09 PM 1/1/2003 -0500, bonnie wrote:
>>Oh, and if you buy a microwave, make sure you get one with a
>>turntable.
>
>oh, oh.   Ours doesn't have a turntable.

For how we use it, it really doesn't matter.  If we were cooking or
defrosting large or dense portions, we'd have to turn the container 180
degrees during the cooking process.

cwv

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> What do y'all think?

I think it's more comfortable here without the gateway.  Although things
said here aren't totally private, they're much less public than they
would be if blasted forth via usenet.

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At 08:24 PM 1/1/2003 -0800, pete wrote:
 >I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to tell
>them to expect: English language discussion?  A geographically-distributed
>bunch of close friends who like gossip, language, regionalisms,
>geography?  A crank gang of old farts?

Add mem's suggestion and you've pretty much got it.

cwv

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> you just have to pause it halfway through heating and turn the
> food around.  this is to make sure that the food gets heated
> all the way through.

Hmm.  I never do that, but my food seems to be heated appropriately.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> We are having an ice storm, so good wishes for the power lines staying
> up would be appreciated. They say 1/2-1" of pure ice. It is sleeting
> now, but as temp falls, the ice cometh. The idea of going onto the big
> oxy tank in the dark freaks me out. As you all know.
> --

Ugh.  Good thoughts are heading your way.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I could go around inviting interesting people, but I wonder what to tell
> them to expect: English language discussion?  A geographically-distributed
> bunch of close friends who like gossip, language, regionalisms,
> geography?  A crank gang of old farts?

Yes.  When did you join, Pete?  Aren't you post-gateway?  How did you
find us?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Gold edges. But then perhaps I would not put a dinner plate in, but
> something else and then transfer the food to the plate? Or is that not
> done?

You could use paper plates if you are not against paper plates on
principle.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Oh, yes, and if not he (because he wants to play with friends or
> something), then his father, Kevin. In the excitement of having Doug
> here, I do not know if I said that Kevin came on Xmas night through
> knee-deep snow with a flashlight and brought Doug and me a five-course
> steak and chicken dinner. And on Xmas morning, he came with warm sweet
> rolls. Lois, the mother, has brought me thick soups. They are saints,
> and have promised to take care of me in case of power outage or
> whatever. Many stars for their crowns, I must say.

They sound wonderful!  I feel better about your situation knowing they
are close by.

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> > I don't know how you do it in one without a turntable. Ligniere taught
> > me this: put the milk in the cup, then cook it till it threatens to
> > overflow, in my microwave, 1 minute and 50 seconds PRECISELY.
>
>What does a turntable have to do with it?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

What I don't understand is why that would froth milk, as in latte, and not
simple heat it.


    --bonniev

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At 10:14 AM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:06 AM 12/30/2002 -0500, lisa wrote:
>
>>The food network was in Tuscany yesterday. They featured a meal of chestnut
>>polenta with sides of ricotta cheese and diced pancetta which had been
>>fried in a bit of olive oil and balsamic vinegar.
>>
>>Normally I don't like polenta but this chestnut one looked fantastic.
>
>Tuscan cooking uses nuts quite a bit.  Some people just don't like corn
>meal in any form.  I like it as fried mush (I make my own--it's better than
>the tube polenta in the stores).  Most of the flavored polenta in stores
>doesn't attract me at all.  Lately, I've been using corn pasta---lends
>itself well to peppers and beans.
>
>cwv

My mother made her own polenta. That's the one I don't like. I've never had
the tubed stuff so I cannot comment on it.

Nuts are fantastic. I've really gotten into them since starting the weight
watchers gig. WW doesn't promote them but my foray into healthy living has
helped me discover how great nuts can be for you, in moderation of course.

Corn pastas? Never heard of such a thing. Can you point me to a corn pasta,
peppers (or not) and beans recipe? It sounds interesting.

lisa

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bonniev wrote:

> As I recall it, it wasn't spam that made us close the gate either.  It was
> simply that everything on Usenet was getting archived forever and some
> wordslers didn't like that.

That's my memory also, but it's a vague one.  About all I remember about
it is that most of us were for it -- for zapping the connection -- and
that I was sitting there at the Macinshit in Japan during the
discussion.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>  Favre is awesome, but there's not that much else going on there.
>Marie

Favre is great. The rest of his team is beat up. I think once the Packers
realized the Jets were pumped up and ready to bruise, they retreated
knowing they already had a play off spot. Why subject yourself to brutality
when you can rest and still make the play offs. Even with their decision to
lay down in the second half of the game, I'm not sure they'll get deep into
the playoffs w/o home field advantage.

lisa

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>We've had occasional fresh meat since closing the gateway.  How have
they found us?  Has it always been by <reference> from a Wordsler?

Nope.

I was on another UGA list and innocently browsed listserv.uga.edu's other <offerings> one day in May 1998 as seen here:

http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/

Words-L is the last one listed.

AS

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Espen Ore said:
> 22:06 27.12.2002 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Belgian beer. The beer list is truly impressive. They have--dammit, I
> >forgot the name. Uh... Gloog? A Swedish spiced wine that used to only
> >be made in Tushar's neighborhood. Yes, our sweet Tush lives in A
> >SWEDISH NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!! Who knew.
>
> Glögg.

Yes.

Karen

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>        I think he is fairly dark and sarcastic all the time --
>there's no sweetness to his storytelling.  I like it when he
>injects politics.      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I agree.  I've never much listened to the radio show.  Just the Lake
Wobegon stories.  I agree that they are not sweet but rather dark.   I like
it when he tailors his lake Wobegon story to his audience.  I remember one
he told before a military audience.  It was good.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> > you just have to pause it halfway through heating and turn the
> > food around.  this is to make sure that the food gets heated
> > all the way through.
>
> Hmm.  I never do that, but my food seems to be heated appropriately.

What happened to "I follow the directions on the package.  If it says
to stir it after X length of time, I do so.  If it doesn't say that, I
don't."

Karen

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> > What I don't understand is why that would froth milk, as in latte, and not
> > simple heat it.
>
>Er, frothing milk *does* heat it, Bonnie.
>Karen

I think of frothing milk as something more than just heating it.  For one
thing frothing increases the volume of the milk.  It adds air.


    --bonniev

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 06:47:48AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > = > We could just recruit in a.u.e with a once per quarter post
= > = > there.
= > =
= > = That's how we got Graham.
= > =
= > Well Graham posting in soc.bi is how you got me.
=
= I'd rather recruit from soc.bi than a.u.e.
=

They can be equally pedantic, and I've already seen one person
posting to both.

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 10:24:47AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= > > What I don't understand is why that would froth milk, as in latte, and not
= > > simple heat it.
= >
= >Er, frothing milk *does* heat it, Bonnie.
= >Karen
=
= I think of frothing milk as something more than just heating it.  For one
= thing frothing increases the volume of the milk.  It adds air.
=

My dad has both a tiny milk frother gizmo and also a nosehair
trimmer.  He has to pay attention to not changing the standard
location of either one of them.

(this is like, such a steph dad joke)

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At 10:38 AM 12/30/2002 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>We're supposed to be talking about basketball now.  Go Dawgs!  But the
>Lady Dawgs were upset by somebody a couple of days ago.
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Basketball? You want basketball? Ok then..

GO HUSKIES!!!!

lisa
who really only watches the UCONN women play

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How much are we willing to subject our own soldiers to? Come on. We know if
they're caught they'll be tortured far worse than anything we do to our
prisoners. Having said that I'm going to pull the, "I'm not saying it's
right card". Not only have I pulled the card but I believe in it's value.

So, what do we do with the people we capture and don't get information out
of? Let them go? Nice idea. I love idealism. I encourage idealism. We do
not live in an idealistic world though. Do our soldiers get turned loose?

Better surveillance is a good idea. One of the reasons we have the Homeland
Security Act is because we're trying to make strides in this area. Would
you care to remind me how you feel about this? I suppose though that
surveillance of our enemies on their territory is not subject to the same
guidelines as the citizens of this country would like.

lisa

At 08:57 AM 12/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri writes,
>
>>However, what's the "happy" medium? How do we get the information we need
>>from those who possess it?
>
>Well, for starters, let's review the Geneva Convention
><http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm>:
>
>* Every prisoner of war, when questioned on the subject, is bound to give
>only his surname, first names and rank, date of birth, and army,
>regimental, personal or serial number, or failing this, equivalent
>information.
>
>* No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be
>inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind
>whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened,
>insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any
>kind.
>
>So know that you're breaking or subverting very important international
>codes of conduct to go beyond that.
>
>Assuming your moral compass allows you to continue, I think you still have
>to be guided by the Golden Rule.  How much are you willing to have your
>soldiers and officers mistreated by the enemy in the pursuit of
>information?  That's the line to stop at, or a little before.  If you don't
>stop there, you have no grounds for complaining when it happens to your
>people.
>
>If that doesn't extract enough information from prisoners, so be it --
>figure out how to do better surveillance elsewhere, instead.
>
>Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> If that doesn't work out, I'd nominate Movable Type hosted on one of our
> servers instead of blogspot.

Of course I undersrand blogging not at all, but if you are suggesting
that Words-L become a blog, I think I vote no. Would it not change the
entire nature of our accustomed intercourse? Call me dumb, but I don't
get it.

alyce

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bonniev said:
> > > What I don't understand is why that would froth milk, as in latte, and not
> > > simple heat it.
> >
> >Er, frothing milk *does* heat it, Bonnie.
> >Karen
>
> I think of frothing milk as something more than just heating it.  For one
> thing frothing increases the volume of the milk.  It adds air.

So does cooking it in the microwave. It probably cooks it a bit more
than steaming it, but not nearly as much as boiling it in a pan, so
it's a very good substitute. (Whereas, you can keep your
microwave-baked potatoes; I think they are a poor substitute.)

Karen

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> One word for you Alyce: Florida.
>
Yuck.

alyce

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> > What do y'all think?
>
> The USENET gateway should remain closed.

What she said.  Please.  Thank you.

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> Got up, had coffee, fed Spike, fed birds, paid a couple of hills, and
> here I am. But breathing, while not gasping, is not really right. I
> mean, I am totally conscious of each breath, and breathing should be
> pretty much unnoticed. I am quite sure I am filling up with fluids,
and
> cannot produce a productive cough. And so it goes, pardon the
disgusting
> detail.
>
> alyce


It is easy for me to really sympathize with you, as I have
a very bad cold.  It's weird.  I never get colds.  It was
coming on when I was in Texas, so I made a point of
not getting too close to the little ones.  Then my grandson
pointed out that it was probably the little ones who gave it
to me.

                         - D. M.

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >Thanks very much, Doris, but macadamias are not my favorites. I am very
> >grateful for the offer, though.     --alyce
>
> Almonds and walnuts are the best for you.  We are going to Sam's Club on
> Wednesday.  If you promise to eat them, Alyce, I will buy you a jug of
> almonds like I eat.  They are "natural whole, Sunkist, California Almonds,
> Dry Roasted & Salted"  There are two pounds, eight ounces of them in a
> jug.   I go through one jug about every two weeks.  High in calcium and
> fiber.  170 calories in a 1/4 cup.
>
Also high in the "good" cholestrol.  They're very recommended by my
doctor.  Go for it, Alyce.

 Sharon

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Yes.  When did you join, Pete?  Aren't you post-gateway?  How did you
> > find us?
>
> Post-gateway?????

Yes, that's my question.  I thought only one question mark was enough.

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alyce cresap said:
> Got up, had coffee, fed Spike, fed birds, paid a couple of hills, and
> here I am. But breathing, while not gasping, is not really right. I
> mean, I am totally conscious of each breath, and breathing should be
> pretty much unnoticed. I am quite sure I am filling up with fluids, and
> cannot produce a productive cough. And so it goes, pardon the disgusting
> detail.

I'm sorry your breathing isn't right. Are you going to phone your
doctor today?

Karen

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> Basketball? You want basketball? Ok then..

Yes, I want Brad to be more loquacious.  I remember some good basketball
discussions with him here back in our Final Four year, whenever that
was.  He knew all about our players, not just his players.  I want him
to do that again so that I can tell him that I'm pretty sure I saw Iggie
in Wmart a couple of days ago.  How funny, given the subject header.
Iggie is apparently what the other players call our player from Poland
whose last name is Ignerski.  Athletes don't always look the same in
<real life> as on tv, but I'm almost positive it was he.

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lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> How much are we willing to subject our own soldiers to? Come on. We know if
> they're caught they'll be tortured far worse than anything we do to our
> prisoners.

How do we know that?  I'm not necessarily doubting it -- I'm just saying
that I'm not part of your "we" there since I don't have any way to know
something like that.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Yes.  When did you join, Pete?  Aren't you post-gateway?  How did you
> > > find us?
> >
> > Post-gateway?????
>
> Yes, that's my question.  I thought only one question mark was enough.

Pete can answer for himself, but I believe he was around nearly at the
beginning. Way, way pre-gateway.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>Yes.  When did you join, Pete?  Aren't you post-gateway?  How did you
>find us?

Contemporaneous with the gateway, as I remember.  The earliest post Google
Groups has for me is in March 1992.

As I remember, I found y'all by readind "English Language Discussion" on a
list of lists.

Pete

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At 08:59 AM 12/30/2002 -1000, you wrote:
>On 30 Dec 2002 at 8:57, lisa alfieri wrote:
>
> > How do we get the information we need
> > from those who possess it?
>
>Since we're all good Republican capitalists now, let's just buy it.
>
>
>     mem

Sure why not. I don't mind doling out more of my paycheck for such a noble
cause. I'm sure I can live with less than 50% of my earnings.

lisa

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>Of course I undersrand blogging not at all, but if you are suggesting
>that Words-L become a blog, I think I vote no. Would it not change the
>entire nature of our accustomed intercourse? Call me dumb, but I don't
>get it.      --alyce

I don't get it either.  But here is a blog page that is made up of
women.  I looked around it.  Found it mildly interesting:

http://blogsisters.blogspot.com/


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Not that I need to look at them.  I know what they
> > > say.  Half cup oatmeal, one cup water, cook for 3 minutes.
> >
> > And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
>
> Nope.

All the oatmeal I've ever used does.

Karen

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At 11:59 AM 12/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>lisa alfieri said:
> > I'm with you Natalie... I hate it. Christmas shopping is a nightmare. In
> > order to be comfortable one has to wear a t shirt under her winter jacket,
> > ditch the coat in the car, hustle from the parking lot to the closest mall
> > entrance and try to shop for a huge, long list, without breaking into a
> sweat.
> >
> > Glad it's over..
>
>This was my first present-free Christmas ever. And of course it
>really wasn't--I got presents from two friends. I liked it.
>
>Karen

As much as I don't like shopping I wouldn't like a present free Christmas
either. I truly enjoy giving gifts. I've also learned to enjoying receiving
gifts, especially things I need but wouldn't buy for myself.

lisa

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So I'm going to beat Terry to it... This site asks users to submit a picture
with the time on it.

http://humanclock.com/

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>Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I think Words-L should remain a list, just as it
>is.  Similar to Tushar's suggestion, I think we should also have a
>weblog/wiki that wordslers can post to, to create an attractive web face.
>Pete

I think I understand that and it sounds like a good idea.  There would be
the list and then there would be a web page where one could post WHTMs or a
think piece or something.  Then strangers would come along, read that, say
"these sound like interesting people", and join the list. Cool.


    --bonniev

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>alyce cresap said:
>>  Walnuts are another of my non-favorites, unless chopped up in cookies or
>  > something.
>
>They are good chopped and on French toast.

Last night for dinner, I chopped and toasted a large handful of
pecans, then mixed them, along with a handful of currants, with a
bowl of oatmeal. Brown sugar on top. Very delicious -- I'll
definitely make it that way again.

Janet

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
>
> I may be wrong, but I think what she got
> was postings from way back when, not
> after we closed the gate.

Right.

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On 2 Jan 2003 at 10:43, lisa alfieri wrote:

> So, what do we do with the people we capture and don't get information
> out of? Let them go?

No, apparently the plan is to keep them incarcerated with no judicial
proceedings whatsoever for all time and eternity.

    mem

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > The reason we closed the gate, as I vividly recall, was that very nasty
> > and lewd things were attributed to people...things they never said. Sex
> > things and stuff that was fairly embarrassing.
>
> I don't understand.  How was this possible?  Or, do you mean that say
> Bonniev attributed nasty and lewd things to say me?  Insider slander?

No--Dejanews got hacked.

Karen

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>>>  Graham has always been unaccountably ill-tempered.  Somehow
>>>>  Anne doesn't seem to be the type to change that about him.
>>>>  Not that she should, but I wouldn't think that would be the
>>>>  type of influence she would exert.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Changing people is a sucker's game.
>>
>>
>>         I think we naturally change each other over time.
>
>
> Yes, but I'm not sure that's to anyone's benefit.


        That's because you're feeling bitter right now.  Some changes
are good.



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=
= The reason I was ready to growl is because I knew they were the same
= rule, but didn't know a) what the rule was or b) how to relate the 2
= of them. Luckily I found something that satisfies me. Don't know about
= stevie.
=
= Karen

stevie is having a hard time with it but recognizes the ruleness
of it.  I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually
hear.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I'm sorry your breathing isn't right. Are you going to phone your
> doctor today?

I'm OK now. My plan is to call 911 if I have another attack. If I get
into an emergency room, I will get more treatment and answers. I feel
sure it is pleurisy or some other kind of fluid buildup. I have been
Googling, and it sure sounds like this is my problem. My doctor serves
several towns and is not in G'town today. So if he said to come in, I
wouldn't be able to, and he already has pulled out his entire bag of
tricks, I think, except draining the fluid. Tuesday is G'town day.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Pistachios are good.

Now I am starting to sound finicky and I always have thought I'd eat
most things (not raisins and prunes). But again, I prefer peanuts and
cashews. I am not worried about cholesterol. Mine is very low.

alyce

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steph said:
> I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.

That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
thing, so I gather that you are not alone.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Pistachios are good.
>
> Now I am starting to sound finicky and I always have thought I'd eat
> most things (not raisins and prunes). But again, I prefer peanuts and
> cashews. I am not worried about cholesterol. Mine is very low.

I mostly eat peanuts and cashews, mostly cook with walnuts and
pecans.

Karen

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The walnuts-on-French toast (with applesauce and cottage cheese) thing
really opened my eyes to nuts, and one of my resolutions for last year
was that I would incorporate more seeds and nuts into my cooking.

I put nuts in my tomato sauce, I put toasted sesame seeds (which is
something the toaster oven does exquisitely) on salads, I put nuts in
my soups. When I saute vegetables, I throw in some nuts. Nuts are good
food.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> steph said:
>
>>I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
>>
>
> That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
> of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
> thing, so I gather that you are not alone.


        I don't know who came up with that "rule" for commas, but
it's lousy and I can't believe it keeps getting passed on.
I know it is the source of some of the stranger stray commas.

        Today I saw a website (c) copywrite.





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Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I think Words-L should remain a list, just as it
> is.

Thank you. I did not understand.

alyce

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At 08:03 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:58 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, karen wrote:
>>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:07:55 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
>>wrote:
>> >I am so very happy not to be going to a <New Year's Eve event>.  This is
>> >not unusual for me.  It's been a good while since I went to a NY's Eve
>> >party.
>>
>>Me, too. I'm very picky about who I'm willing to spend that much time with.
>>There's one party I wish I could be at tonight, but I can't afford the plane
>>trip.
>
>Over the many, many New Year's Eves that I have experienced---whether more
>or less privately or in some sort of organized party---I can't identify any
>one or a group as being especially memorable.  Perhaps I don't comprehend
>the significance of the event.
>
>cwv

My favorite new year celebration was ringing in 1990 in Times Square. I
can't remember having a better time.

There was a spell where I didn't go out or stay in with anyone. I was
pretty low at this point in my life and do not look upon these years fondly
(except when I realize how far I've come).

In recent years I've experience nice celebrations with assorted friends.

This year was the first time I would have been content to stay home. As it
was we ventured out, got stuck in traffic for an hour and forty five
minutes, drove to three different neighbors looking for a parking spot for
a local bar, finally settled on a place nearly two hours after setting out,
sipped cappuccino martini's, ate onions rings (I thought of The List) and
passed a little more time before we headed to a friends house.

The whole evening was fun with no regrets but I bet I could have said the
same thing if we'd stayed home.

Happy New Year everyone...

lisa

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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We have a new sex pro on worlds-l!

http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/01/02/toys/index1.html


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Ann Borkin wrote:ng!
>
> And, you could LEARN about Moxy Fruvous, if you didn't want to delete!

I have heard Moxy Frouvous (recorded) once. I do not like this type of
music as much as some others, and actually do not listen to music very
often. If ever. Used to. Don't now. Can't concentrate on music and
computer, or any two things at once, and never would think of just
sitting and listening to music as a sole occupation (except at a
concert).

I do delete now. I delete cooking details a lot. But I don't have anyone
kill-filed.

alyce

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > steph said:
> >>I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
> >>
> >
> > That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
> > of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
> > thing, so I gather that you are not alone.
>
>
>         I don't know who came up with that "rule" for commas, but
> it's lousy and I can't believe it keeps getting passed on.
> I know it is the source of some of the stranger stray commas.

Huh? What rule? That you can't hear them all?

>         Today I saw a website (c) copywrite.

Copyright? Why not?

Karen

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At 10:10 PM 1/1/2003 -0500, adam wrote:

>These are way more hardy than the ones I have. Hmmm, I might have to order a
>pair.

I haven't tired other forms; I'm very happy with these.  They definitely
are sturdy and require very little time to adjust to them.  Also, the studs
are sheet metal screws which can be obtained at any decent hardward store
for a lot less than the "official" replacement studs.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>steph said:
>>>
>>>>I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
>>>of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
>>>thing, so I gather that you are not alone.
>>>
>>
>>        I don't know who came up with that "rule" for commas, but
>>it's lousy and I can't believe it keeps getting passed on.
>>I know it is the source of some of the stranger stray commas.
>>
>
> Huh? What rule? That you can't hear them all?


        The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.






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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> We have a good amount of heavy wet snow this morning.

You had 4" according to CNN. Glad you  got some medicine and hope it
improves your well-being. Nice coat for Ana. Must not be very cold
there, for it is unfastened.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> HEB brand cat food is 22 cents a can. Is this cheap, or should I look elsewhere?

Seems cheap to me, but the last catfood I bought was 20 years ago. Then
it was like 35 cents, I think. Three for a dollar.

alyce

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > I have no trouble heating frozen things in my regular oven. And I have a
> > toaster oven, too, but the frozen things mostly say, "Do not heat in a
> > toaster oven." Why is that?
>
> I think because the containers are much closer to the heating elements. I'm
> not sure, though.

As one who uses toaster ovens every day and has done so for many, many
years, I can say confidently that any mention of toaster ovens on
packages can be ignored.  I remember way back that some packages gave
different cooking directions for toaster ovens.  I never understood why
-- and I always ignored them and used the instructions for big ovens.

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:50:39 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rita Chapman said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>steph said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
>>>>>of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
>>>>>thing, so I gather that you are not alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       I don't know who came up with that "rule" for commas, but
>>>>it's lousy and I can't believe it keeps getting passed on.
>>>>I know it is the source of some of the stranger stray commas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Huh? What rule? That you can't hear them all?
>>>
>>
>>        The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.
>>
>
> That's not how English works.


        I know.  But it's been handed down as wisdom to lots of my
students, and in fact I remember being advised suchly by my
high school English teachers.



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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:53:46 -0800
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>We have a new sex pro on worlds-l!
>
>http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/01/02/toys/index1.html

Is Ms. Croft a Wordsler?

Cute article, although I disagree with some of her assessments.

Janet

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= > >
= > > Huh? What rule? That you can't hear them all?
= >
= >
= >         The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.
=
= That's not how English works.
=
= Karen

Yabbut, it works for me.  Do I usually sport egregious commas?

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> We have a new sex pro on worlds-l!
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/01/02/toys/index1.html
>
>
> Is Ms. Croft a Wordsler?
>
> Cute article, although I disagree with some of her assessments.


        No, but one of her anonymous reviewers is.  This may have
been discussed while you were on hiatus.


--
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> >>        The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.
> >>
> >
> > That's not how English works.
>
>
>         I know.  But it's been handed down as wisdom to lots of my
> students, and in fact I remember being advised suchly by my
> high school English teachers.
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita

LOL  Did they also advise you to use words like "suchly"  ?



BrP

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Paul R. Barfoot wrote:

>>>>       The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's not how English works.
>>>
>>
>>        I know.  But it's been handed down as wisdom to lots of my
>>students, and in fact I remember being advised suchly by my
>>high school English teachers.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>
> LOL  Did they also advise you to use words like "suchly"  ?


        No, I just like that word :).




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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
> >
> > Nope.
>
> All the oatmeal I've ever used does.

What a bother that would be.  I'm happy that my kind does not require
that.  I always get the same kind -- the kind with the smiling Quaker on
the cylindrical box.  (Can a box be cylindrical?  Cylinders aren't
boxy.)  I think the cylindrical box says "Old-Fashioned" on the label.
Anyway, cooking it in the microwave is quite simple, and it turns out
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steph said:
> = > >
> = > > Huh? What rule? That you can't hear them all?
> = >
> = >
> = >         The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.
> =
> = That's not how English works.
> =
> = Karen
>
> Yabbut, it works for me.  Do I usually sport egregious commas?

No, but you don't always put them where you need them. I assumed it
was Dutch. But I guess not.:)

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> http://www.etext.org/~rita/snowydayphotos.html

Great pictures!  She looks suddenly grown up.

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Janet Hardy said:
> >We have a new sex pro on worlds-l!
> >
> >http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/01/02/toys/index1.html
>
> Is Ms. Croft a Wordsler?
>
> Cute article, although I disagree with some of her assessments.

This is the article that Sandra contributed to--the rubber ducky
part.

I think of her every time I get this spam.:)

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> steph said:
> > I have a very hard time with a comma I can't actually hear.
>
> That's the rule for commas in Japanese, but not in English. Several
> of the websites I looked at had cautionary tales about this very
> thing, so I gather that you are not alone.

It was the system for many years.  The so-called rhetorical system of
punctuation in English changed to the so-called syntactical system in
the late eighteenth century.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I'm OK now. My plan is to call 911 if I have another attack. If I get
> into an emergency room, I will get more treatment and answers. I feel

That is a good plan.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Yes.:) I wasn't thrilled by it, either, but it was mildly amusing--and
> it did happen to everyone, so there is no personal shame attached.

But the casual observer would not have known it had happened to
everyone.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> well...). I have no idea how it was accompliahsed, but when I searched
> my name (and others') these horrid things came up. Does no one else
> remember this?

I have no memory at all of it.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.

It was spelled out clearly in eighteenth-century handbooks.  A period
was for the longest pause, a semi-colon for a shorter pause, a comma for
the shortest pause.  It's hard to find copies of those book, though.
The only place I managed to find them (when doing an article on
Thackeray's punctuation) was in a small library near St. Paul's in
London.  The library was named something like "St. Brides" or
"Brideshead."  There was a tiny place next door with excellent cheap
roastbeef sandwichs -- on one of those tiny side-streets in that area.

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:06:50AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > Cheap dry food should be cheaper.  Murphy the monster cat gets 80 grams
= > per day, but he should get less.  An always outdoor cat might
= > need that much or more.
=
= I give it dry food, too. Wet food every couple of days.
=
Any particular reason?  I don't think they need it.

=
= I'll think about it. The problem is that there isn't a straight line
= from my front door to the back door (for feng shui reasons!).
=

doesn't need to be a straight line

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I know.  But it's been handed down as wisdom to lots of my
> students, and in fact I remember being advised suchly by my
> high school English teachers.

I think one way it gets suggested is through a sort of reverse
direction.  Students reading poetry out loud are often told to pay
attention to the punctuation and pause with it -- not to pause between
lines if there's no comma at the end of the line but to pause slightly
if there is one.  I remember teachers saying that in elementary school
to keep students from coming to a total halt at the end of each line of
a poem.  Then the opposite extreme would occur -- zooming so rapidly to
the next line that the rhythm of the poem was screwy.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        The rule of thumb that you put a comma wherever you would pause.
>>
>
> It was spelled out clearly in eighteenth-century handbooks.  A period
> was for the longest pause, a semi-colon for a shorter pause, a comma for
> the shortest pause.  It's hard to find copies of those book, though.
> The only place I managed to find them (when doing an article on
> Thackeray's punctuation) was in a small library near St. Paul's in
> London.  The library was named something like "St. Brides" or
> "Brideshead."  There was a tiny place next door with excellent cheap
> roastbeef sandwichs -- on one of those tiny side-streets in that area.
>


        Ah, this is excellent information.  Although I can't quite
imagine why my English teachers in the 1980's would be using
punctuation rules from the 1700's, I love having an
explanation for where the rule comes from and why it isn't
valid for SE anymore.  My students love this kind of stuff.

        Of course the real explanation is that very few high school
English teachers have good grammar skills.  Mine are only
fair, and I'm better than most.  I'm going to do sentence
diagramming with my freshmen just so I can reconnect with
all that stuff.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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steph said:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:06:50AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > Cheap dry food should be cheaper.  Murphy the monster cat gets 80 grams
> = > per day, but he should get less.  An always outdoor cat might
> = > need that much or more.
> =
> = I give it dry food, too. Wet food every couple of days.
> =
> Any particular reason?  I don't think they need it.

Because I want to make it feel loved, and I can't pet it.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Thank you.  She sure does.  She makes my coffee on the weekends.

Dang! I knew I should have had children...

Karen

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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  >The walnuts-on-French toast (with applesauce and cottage cheese) thing
>>  >really opened my eyes to nuts, and one of my resolutions for last year
>>  >was that I would incorporate more seeds and nuts into my cooking.
>>  >
>>  >I put nuts in my tomato sauce, I put toasted sesame seeds (which is
>>  >something the toaster oven does exquisitely) on salads, I put nuts in
>>  >my soups. When I saute vegetables, I throw in some nuts. Nuts are good
>>  >food.
>>
>>  <g> I just re-installed Eudora the other day and haven't gotten
>  > around to turning off the chili peppers. This post got three of them.
>
>WHY??????

Nuts.

Janet

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Ah, this is excellent information.  Although I can't quite
> imagine why my English teachers in the 1980's would be using
> punctuation rules from the 1700's, I love having an
> explanation for where the rule comes from and why it isn't
> valid for SE anymore.  My students love this kind of stuff.

Actually, I think the change was in the 19th century, not the 18th.  I
think of most language-related stuff like that in relation to the 18th
century, the reign of the judgmental grammarians and all that.  But I'm
thinking now about the fact that I did that research in relation to
Thackeray.  I probably have an offprint of it somewhere in the boxes of
junk of that kind that I brought home from my office last summer.  Maybe
I'll find it and see what it is that I said about punctuation rules.
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>My feeling is that there are a lot of boring people in the world and a
>lot of interesting ones, and I'd much rather spend my time with the
>interesting ones.

I used similar words to describe to Tina why I didn't like a friend of a
friend. It's not that I have anything bad to say about her. I just don't
care for her and would rather not waste time with someone I don't feel
connected to.

lisa

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bonniev wrote:
> >
> Almonds and walnuts are the best for you.

Walnuts are another of my non-favorites, unless chopped up in cookies or
something. ALmonds are OK. But please don't go to trouble for me--I can
get them here, but it never had occurred to me. Peanuts and cashews are
the only nuts that ever have been in my mental nut inventory.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> You stir to make sure that everything heats evenly. Everything heats
> evenly when you have a turntable.

Interesting.  Nobody ever told me that when I had a turntable -- "that"
being that I didn't have to stir if the directions said stir.  I didn't
(and don't) buy many things that require that, though.  Just once in a
blue moon I accidentally do.  There's one brand of maccaroni and cheese
that requires stirring and another that doesn't, and I sometimes forget
and get the wrong one -- the one that does.  Pretty much everything else
I ever cook in the microwave doesn't require anything but sticking it in
and then taking it out and eating it.

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At 09:38 PM 12/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I think I care somewhat about previously owned silverware, but not
> > dishes.
>
>Interesting.  I would think the opposite, though I don't have any real
>objection to either.  I guess the difference is that matching/adding old
>silver seems more <normal> somehow -- like you discover at an auction or
>flea market or wherever some inexpensive additions in your silver
>pattern.  I guess that happens with china also, of course.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

My mother has bought a lot of silverware at antique stores. Sometimes she
gets a good match. Sometimes you have to stretch your imagination to see
the match.

lisa

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>  > Jay's books are excellent. He's a thorough researcher and a
>>  well-structured writer, and he knows his stuff inside and out before
>>  he ever touches a keyboard. His <relationship skills> are not
>  > relevant to that.
>
>         They are to some of the things he says in The Loving Dominant.

They might be, if he'd written it -- but John Warren did.

Janet

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><nod> Although then perhaps people would admire you for not being a
>slave to fashion. My friend Cheryl has been wearing the same pair of
>wire-rims since the mid-'70s.
>
>Janet

Only the people in the "not slave to fashion" group will admire it.

lisa

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>From: lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM>
>>Over the many, many New Year's Eves that I have experienced---whether more
>>or less privately or in some sort of organized party---I can't identify
>>any
>>one or a group as being especially memorable.
>
>My favorite new year celebration was ringing in 1990 in Times Square.

My most memorable to date is definitely 1999/2000 in Newfoundland. Great Big
Sea on the stage. Labatt's beer. Getting screeched at the St. George's Arms,
and kissing the cod.

Marie

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>  > Jay's books are excellent. He's a thorough researcher and a
>>
>>>  well-structured writer, and he knows his stuff inside and out before
>>>  he ever touches a keyboard. His <relationship skills> are not
>>
>>  > relevant to that.
>>
>>         They are to some of the things he says in The Loving Dominant.
>
>
> They might be, if he'd written it -- but John Warren did.


        Sorry, whichever one he wrote that gave relationship advice
that people discuss endlessly.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Let me amplify: when you don't have a turntable, there is one
> unchanging locus of cooking. If you don't stir, then the food cooks
> primarily in that one place, and that's how you get the
> cooked-in-one-place, raw-everywhere-else syndrome. With a turntable,
> you avoid that, because the locus of cooking changes constantly.

So why is it that only some packages mention stirring?  What makes the
others cook just fine without being stirred or rotated?  Nothing I've
ever cooked in a microwave has come out with the cooked-raw syndrome
your describe.  And the vast majority of things I cook don't have to be
stirred.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>>  Janet Hardy wrote:
>>>
>>>   > Jay's books are excellent. He's a thorough researcher and a
>>>
>>>>   well-structured writer, and he knows his stuff inside and out before
>>>>   he ever touches a keyboard. His <relationship skills> are not
>>>
>>>   > relevant to that.
>>>
>  >>         They are to some of the things he says in The Loving Dominant.
>  >
>  > They might be, if he'd written it -- but John Warren did.
>
>         Sorry, whichever one he wrote that gave relationship advice
>that people discuss endlessly.

He wrote "SM 101." As far as I can remember, he gave some advice on
d/s relationships -- about which I'm not really qualified to speak
(since I don't do those), and which is not relevant to his and my
situation (since we were never in a d/s relationship).

Janet

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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:15:35 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>bonniev said:
>> >Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
>> >without resuming the USENET gateway?
>> >--Adam
>>
>> Invite people over from other lists you are on.
>
>Man, I'd NEVER do that.
>
>Karen

I did it at least once.  You may recall a certain M. Rosen.

neal

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Tushar Samant said:
> No law against it, nothing can be proved.

Ohh, good motto!

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > for Natalie and Adam and whoever else to mark some posts as
> > > permanently archived. Not as flexible as the legendary "ftp
> >
> > Me?  Why am I in the picture?
>
> I just remember your picking up WHTMs and putting them on Ra.

Yes, I considered that an important duty.  That is why I never set
nomail during the years I was listowner.  There were always a bunch of
WHTMs to put up when I got back from trips, especially from list fests.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant said:
> I think Mr Ore is the #1 reader of my ramblings ...

We all vie for that honor.

Karen

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:57:57 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Natalie Maynor said:
>>  Not that I need to look at them.  I know what they
>>  say.  Half cup oatmeal, one cup water, cook for 3 minutes.
>
>And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.

I never do oatmeal in the m-wave -- the texture isn't right, too
mushy or something. I do it on the stovetop.

Janet

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > It was a hacker, and happened to everyone. It's really no big deal,
> > even if you are an online businessperson.
>
> Nonetheless, I was very upset by it. I am a prude, you know.

Yes.:) I wasn't thrilled by it, either, but it was mildly amusing--and
it did happen to everyone, so there is no personal shame attached.

Karen

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Karen Kay said:
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > > > And they don't say to stop in the middle and stir? Interesting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope.
> > > > >
> > > > > All the oatmeal I've ever used does.
> > > >
> > > > What a bother that would be.  I'm happy that my kind does not require
> > > > that.
> > >
> > > Well, it doesn't require it if you have a turntable...
> >
> > I don't understand your connection between a turntable and stirring.
> > The turntable I used to have didn't open containers and stick a fork
> > into them and stir them.  Does yours?  I once saw instructions on a
> > package that said to turn a dish after X length of time.  I didn't buy
> > it since that struck me as a bother.  My point is that if a package said
> > to turn the container around after X length of time, I can see how a
> > moving turntable would take care of the problem.  If something says to
> > stir, I stir, whether now without a moving turntable or in the past when
> > I did have a moving turntable.
>
> You stir to make sure that everything heats evenly. Everything heats
> evenly when you have a turntable.

Let me amplify: when you don't have a turntable, there is one
unchanging locus of cooking. If you don't stir, then the food cooks
primarily in that one place, and that's how you get the
cooked-in-one-place, raw-everywhere-else syndrome. With a turntable,
you avoid that, because the locus of cooking changes constantly.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Let me amplify: when you don't have a turntable, there is one
> > unchanging locus of cooking. If you don't stir, then the food cooks
> > primarily in that one place, and that's how you get the
> > cooked-in-one-place, raw-everywhere-else syndrome. With a turntable,
> > you avoid that, because the locus of cooking changes constantly.
>
> So why is it that only some packages mention stirring?  What makes the
> others cook just fine without being stirred or rotated?  Nothing I've
> ever cooked in a microwave has come out with the cooked-raw syndrome
> your describe.  And the vast majority of things I cook don't have to be
> stirred.

I don't know. I'm sure someone does, somewhere.

Karen

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> Want me to send you some macadamia nuts?
> I think each nut is guaranteed to put a pound on you.
> Problem is, if you starting eating them you can't stop.

On a whim I bought a pound of roasted, salted macadamia nuts at Trader Joe's
for $4.50 or so. I haven't had any in about 10 years.

They are so good, but they're too rich to snack on - I can only eat a few at
a time. Back to walnuts and cashews for me.

--Adam
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> Oh my god -- SPAM in my INBOX? I'm not sure that I can cope...
>
> Janet
> swooning

*gets out the smelling salts*

Swoon no more. There's been enough of a chorus of no's so far that the
gateway will remain closed.

--Adam
p.s. Don't you file your incoming email into folders automagically?

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All the talk about EFO and "Fru" whatever-it-was reminded me of
the time I went over to alt.fan.jeannene. I thought there would
be some interesting people there. Hoo boy what a stupid call to
make ... they were losers. About the only thing they ever said
was "I was in the front row at such and such place, she wasn't
as good as she was at this other place". Many couldn't write a
sentence.

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At 03:31 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> > I did it at least once.  You may recall a certain M. Rosen.
>
>Oh, yeah, that worked out well.

I beg to differ.  Marty is/was great---in person and on the list.  Granted,
he does not suffer fools gladly; he has a facility for the language, a
great sense of irony, and an ability to discuss/argue at a high
level.  Sometimes on the list he approached a Chayevskian level---something
that few of us can claim.

cwv

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Adam Hartfield said:
> On a whim I bought a pound of roasted, salted macadamia nuts at Trader Joe's
> for $4.50 or so. I haven't had any in about 10 years.

See where they were made--I bought some there that were grown in the
Phillippines, and they just didn't taste right.

Karen

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>p.s. Don't you file your incoming email into folders automagically?

Yes. But I find at least some spam in all of 'em.

Janet

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http://www.lssu.edu/banished/current/default.html
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> Anyway, cooking it in the microwave is quite simple, and it turns out
> perfectly -- just the right consistency.

I'll agree. Back when I could eat carbs like that, I used to love a bowl of
oatmeal made like that, with some raisins and cinnamon thrown in. I even
used to make it with milk sometimes instead of water and that was super
yummy.

I still have the canister of oatmeal. I think I've made it twice in the past
year.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> Oh, yeah, that worked out well.
>
> Karen

It did for me. Marty exhorted us to go to Falcon Ridge in 1996 and 1997, and
my life changed wickedly for the better because of that.

While we're on the subject of Condolences, let me say that I do not want
Words-L to change from being a mailing list hosted by UGA.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> >
> >Man, I'd NEVER do that.
> >
> >Karen
>
> I did it at least once.  You may recall a certain M. Rosen.
>
> neal

I think that Neal would qualify for fresh meat by now.
He's been gone long enough to have regenerated.

Anyway, Neal, I want to ask you if I should get
the smallpox vaccination.


                     - D. M.

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> See where they were made--I bought some there that were grown in the
> Phillippines, and they just didn't taste right.
>
> Karen

Made? Grown. :)

It wasn't Hawaii. It was a Latin American country, but I'm not sure which
one, and it's too late to check now as I've thrown out the bag they came in.

In fact, I think I'll go grab a few.

--Adam
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http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2002/12/30/daily28.html

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Adam Hartfield said:
> It did for me. Marty exhorted us to go to Falcon Ridge in 1996 and 1997, and
> my life changed wickedly for the better because of that.

That's true.

Karen
munching on green beans with sesame dressing

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > See where they were made--I bought some there that were grown in the
> > Phillippines, and they just didn't taste right.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Made? Grown. :)
>
> It wasn't Hawaii. It was a Latin American country, but I'm not sure which
> one, and it's too late to check now as I've thrown out the bag they came in.
>
> In fact, I think I'll go grab a few.

Okay. They taste funky to me.

Karen

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Only 3 spots away from vacuously narcissist, I see ...

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Tushar Samant said:
> Only 3 spots away from vacuously narcissist, I see ...

Me or it?

Karen

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 05:33:00PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > Only 3 spots away from vacuously narcissist, I see ...
>
> Me or it?

I meant "it", but given this question I'll include you.

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Petco had a good price, but I went to Costco this afternoon and
discovered that they were cheaper. So that's what I did. When I got
home, the cat was sitting on the patio in the sun, giving me a look
like "Where's my dinner?!"

This is a very nice cat, for someone who wants one. I wonder if
shelters come and get the cat...

Karen

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>I agree.  I've never much listened to the radio show.  Just the Lake
>Wobegon stories.  I agree that they are not sweet but rather dark.   I like
>it when he tailors his lake Wobegon story to his audience.  I remember one
>he told before a military audience.  It was good.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Garrison's humor, and especially his monologues, are fundamentally about
embarrassment and humiliation, told sympathetically from the point of view
of the person who is feeling embarrassed and humiliated.

And who among us has not had the experience of being in a situation where
we were embarrassed and humiliated and, worse, not being able to explain
all the logical and understandable reasons why we wound up doing the absurd
things that caused us to be in that situation?

And that is what makes his monologues dark and funny and sweet and deeply
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Ken Miller
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> > I love mem's idea. Sign up the EFO fans!

>  My GOD, you've got to be kidding. Edheads are *freaks*!

I don't know any personally but how bad can they be? Most of us
can take them on and the rest can deletedeletedelete ...

PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
gave us MEEBERS!

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Doris, quoting GK:

>Doris, politics is part of grown-up life. Introduce a resolution
>  condemning terrorism and somebody will attach an amendment to provide a
>  big tax break to his brother- in-law. It's in our nature. National unity

He speaks the truth. Did you hear about the mysterious anonymous
last-second addition of a clause to the Homeland Security Bill providing
cover to Eli Lilly should there be a link between their vaccines and autism?
Best part is that apparently no one knows who put in the provision -
what a pack of liars.

-rashmi


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Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > I love mem's idea. Sign up the EFO fans!
>
> >  My GOD, you've got to be kidding. Edheads are *freaks*!
>
> I don't know any personally but how bad can they be? Most of us
> can take them on and the rest can deletedeletedelete ...
>
> PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
> gave us MEEBERS!

Janet gave us meebers. It was her bio teacher.

Karen

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The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
situation
all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and everyone seems to
recognize
that but our happy teflon president. There's no talk about help for the
states.
I'm afraid of what might happen.

-rashmi




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> > PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
> > gave us MEEBERS!
>
>Janet gave us meebers. It was her bio teacher.

Janet mentioned it in a post and Marty ran with it. He made it the list
catch phrase.

-rashmi

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
> situation
> all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and everyone seems to
> recognize
> that but our happy teflon president. There's no talk about help for the
> states.
> I'm afraid of what might happen.

I didn't look at today's paper yet, but I haven't heard anything
coherent about the economy from Bush at all. When is the State of the
Union address?

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
> > > gave us MEEBERS!
> >
> >Janet gave us meebers. It was her bio teacher.
>
> Janet mentioned it in a post and Marty ran with it. He made it the list
> catch phrase.

Hmmmmmmmm...

Karen

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 08:33:43PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
> > gave us MEEBERS!
>
> Janet gave us meebers.

Dirty slut!

> It was her bio teacher.

Let us raise a flask of KWAK to unswerving literality.

Meebers, hah!

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 04:45:00AM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
> situation all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and everyone
> seems to recognize that but our happy teflon president. There's no talk
> about help for the states. I'm afraid of what might happen.

Amen ... and what's this "recovery" nonsense like it's a done deal?

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Can you listen to DVDs on a CD player? I know it generally works the
other way around.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 04:45:00AM +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
> > situation all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and everyone
> > seems to recognize that but our happy teflon president. There's no talk
> > about help for the states. I'm afraid of what might happen.
>
> Amen ... and what's this "recovery" nonsense like it's a done deal?

YOU GUYS ARE NOT MAKING ME HAPPY!

Karen

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Recent acquisitions:

Hoobastank - generic radio rock
Saliva -Back Into your System- they're the best of the "nu-metal" crop.
Heavy vocals,
guitars, energy. I like them now, don't know if I'll have the CD around next
year.
Eminem - The Eminem Show - he's the bomb

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:18:49 -0600, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:

>I think that Neal would qualify for fresh meat by now.
>He's been gone long enough to have regenerated.

Not likely.  Besides, I'm still gone about 99.9% of the time.

>Anyway, Neal, I want to ask you if I should get
>the smallpox vaccination.

No, of course not.

neal

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:02:38 -0800
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>Doris, quoting GK:
>
>>Doris, politics is part of grown-up life. Introduce a resolution
>>  condemning terrorism and somebody will attach an amendment to provide a
>>  big tax break to his brother- in-law. It's in our nature. National unity
>
>He speaks the truth. Did you hear about the mysterious anonymous
>last-second addition of a clause to the Homeland Security Bill providing
>cover to Eli Lilly should there be a link between their vaccines and autism?
>Best part is that apparently no one knows who put in the provision -
>what a pack of liars.
>
>-rashmi

What is not a mystery is the name of the person who wrote the language that
is the bill: our new Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist (R-Eli Lilly).

Who says satire is dead?

Ken Miller
Political Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 09:15:32PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Can you listen to DVDs on a CD player? I know it generally works the
= other way around.
=
= Karen

I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.  But I'm too lazy to go
upstairs, get a dvd, boot the other computer and find out for
you.

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steph writes,

>I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.

Definitely no.  DVDs are written at higher density than CDs, and in data
files instead of a data stream.

It'd be like trying to run a Windows program stored on a 1.44M floppy on a
DOS computer with a 360K drive.

Pete

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Tushar Samant writes,

>I was thinking simply a display which looks like a blog--and has
>the most recent posts. Nobody has to do a thing.

While cool, I think it'd be better to post interesting things manually to
the blog.  That way the privacy of the list proper is maintained.  Besides,
can you imagine anyone wanting to read an arbitrary 10 or 20 consecutive
posts from the list?

>Are you talking about a wiki separate from all this?

Yes, that too.

Pete

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Man makes his plans but God rules. Or whatever. I put the turkey in a cool place 48 hours before I planned to start my cooking. But because the outside temperature was between -10 and -15 C the cool temperature in the place was just above freezing. So I had a half-frozen turkey on the morning of new year's eve. I put it in a watertight plastic bag (it was already in a bag but I wanted to make sure), and put this again in luke warm water. I changed the water a couple of times, and after three hours I has something plyable, at least I could get at the bag with heart, gizzard, neck and liver. I decided that this was not the time for temperature experimens since I didn't really know what I started with. I also decided that since parts of the birds might still be frozen or almost frozen I would put it into a cold oven and heat it with the bird inside and do the cooking at around 160 C. I made stuffing from chestnut puree and fried onion and chopped chiocken liver. I rubbed the turkey o
utside and inside with lemon juice, soy sauce and white pepper (one of our guests is allergic to black pepper and chilli). I was surprised but I managed to get the meat moist and the skin crackling crisp after about 3.5 hours of 160 C or 4 hours after I put the turkey in and turned on the heat. (I covered the top of the turkey with aliminium foil for about half the cooking time.) With this I served a special old fashioned type of potato (small and lumpy, grows best in sandy soil), mashed sweet potatoes and stewed green beans. I made gravy from the turkey neck, heart, gizzard and liver and added some wild mushrooms and of course boiled out the juices formed under the turkey. All in all a great success.

Espen

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My mother's neighbour (or my mother's neighbour's wife might be more coorrect) died just before Christmas and the funeral was yesterday. The funeral was in a chapel near the central skiing (cross country/ski jumping/biathlon etc.) center outside the city of Oslo, near my mother's place. The church was full, so Is at along a side row looking across the nave and out through the windows on the other side, The windows were not absolutely lear but almost so, and all the time there were skiers passing by. After the ceremony we were invited down to a near by restaurant for sandwiches and coffee. I ended up at a table with my mother and my brothers and with other people of my and of my mother's generation who hadf lived and/or were still living along the same road. When I was a child there were only a handfull houses and the rest was forest. When my mother was born just after my grandparents had bought the then new house (1928), the only other all-year house along that road was where her
neighbour whose wife died had just moved in with his family, so these two families were the first to live ialong that road. Now there are lots of new houses, but the families who lived there up to the end of the 70ies consider themselves natives. Among the non natives is our landlord and his wife, but she went to school with my mother, so the circle is still fairly closed (and yes, they were also at the funeral).

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 02:13:34 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>  > > I love mem's idea. Sign up the EFO fans!
>
>>   My GOD, you've got to be kidding. Edheads are *freaks*!
>
>I don't know any personally but how bad can they be? Most of us
>can take them on and the rest can deletedeletedelete ...
>
>PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
>gave us MEEBERS!

I think it was a Rosen/Hardy collaboration -- I told the story of the
teacher whose Oklahoma accent translated "amoebae" into "meebers,"
Marty applied the term to Wordslers.

Janet

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Okay, Rashmi, how about these from my latest Amazon shipment:

The Hives: Veni Didi Vicious - punk rock lives!
Scritti Politti: Cupid & Psyche '85 - should have gotten it in 1985, but I
procrastinated until this year
The Strokes: Is This It - I was left asking myself that after I listened to
it
The White Stripes: White Blood Cells - my current favorite band, Jack
White's guitar playing is terrific

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 07:13:47 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Doris, quoting GK:
>
>> Doris, politics is part of grown-up life. Introduce a resolution
>>  condemning terrorism and somebody will attach an amendment to provide a
>>  big tax break to his brother- in-law. It's in our nature. National unity
>
>
> He speaks the truth. Did you hear about the mysterious anonymous
> last-second addition of a clause to the Homeland Security Bill providing
> cover to Eli Lilly should there be a link between their vaccines and
> autism?
> Best part is that apparently no one knows who put in the provision -
> what a pack of liars.


        The special ed. people completely flipped out when this
happened, as you can imagine.  I've read a lot about
vaccines as I've researched Ana's particular specialness,
and I'm still not sure there really is a link, but I've seen
enough to believe that overloading little ones with
vaccinations before their immune systems have developed --
especially when they're on formula and are not being
supported by their mother's immunities -- is a bad idea.
And the mercury in the vaccinations really does need to go.
  I don't think this will magically eliminate autism
spectrum disorders, but I think it will lead to healthier
individuals.




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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
>situation all the states are in.      -rashmi

Romney, the new governor of Massachusetts, along with his lieutenant
governor, are going to give up their salaries for four years.  That's
$255,000 a year that they hope will go to much needed salary raises for
their aides.  The inauguration ball will be much downplayed in the face of
the huge state deficit Romney is inheriting.


    --bonniev

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At 04:45 AM 1/3/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
>situation
>all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and everyone seems to
>recognize
>that but our happy teflon president. There's no talk about help for the
>states.

Ah-- just wait for the State of the Union Address, when he introduces his
Faith-based Economy.

cwv

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 07:26:51 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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bonniev wrote:

>> The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
>> situation all the states are in.      -rashmi
>
>
> Romney, the new governor of Massachusetts, along with his lieutenant
> governor, are going to give up their salaries for four years.  That's
> $255,000 a year that they hope will go to much needed salary raises for
> their aides.  The inauguration ball will be much downplayed in the face of
> the huge state deficit Romney is inheriting.


        Missouri is cut-cut-cutting.  I'm sure it is only a matter of
time before education starts coming under the axe -- they're
already doing away with the MAP test (high stakes state
standardized testing) because the state can no longer afford
to score the beast.  Since 9th and 10th grade aren't
communication arts years, I don't have to teach to it
directly, but I try to lay down a lot of fundamental skills
for their junior year when they are.

        At any rate, I suppose I am at some risk as I'm the last-hire
in the department and untenured and Webster is never on
financially sound footing (insufficient tax base -- the
district is all residential).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I know.  But it's been handed down as wisdom to lots of my
>>students, and in fact I remember being advised suchly by my
>>high school English teachers.
>>
>
> I think one way it gets suggested is through a sort of reverse
> direction.  Students reading poetry out loud are often told to pay
> attention to the punctuation and pause with it -- not to pause between
> lines if there's no comma at the end of the line but to pause slightly
> if there is one.  I remember teachers saying that in elementary school
> to keep students from coming to a total halt at the end of each line of
> a poem.  Then the opposite extreme would occur -- zooming so rapidly to
> the next line that the rhythm of the poem was screwy.


        I'm not really sure how poetry reading is taught, to be
honest.  I've heard people teaching teachers to have their
students pause at the end of every line -- which nearly made
me lose my mind.  So few teachers have the kind of
experience with poetry necessary to really teach it well --
most go through their survey courses doing all the canon
poets and approach poetry as rhyme, meter, etc.  I once had
an argument with a fellow English Ed major who thought that
you shouldn't assign writing a sonnet to students because
they would do it so badly -- I argued that everything they
write at that age is pretty bad, but you have to write a lot
of bad stuff to learn how to write well (and really, I find
that high school students can come up with a killer line or
two).  So, while what you're saying sounds good, I'm not
sure poetry is being taught this way across the board --
there's a lot of inconsistency out there.



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Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Turkey: IMFTAL
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        Good heavens, Espen -- you've experienced Thanksgiving!

Espen Ore wrote:

> Man makes his plans but God rules. Or whatever. I put the turkey in a cool place 48 hours before I planned to start my cooking. But because the outside temperature was between -10 and -15 C the cool temperature in the place was just above freezing. So I had a half-frozen turkey on the morning of new year's eve. I put it in a watertight plastic bag (it was already in a bag but I wanted to make sure), and put this again in luke warm water. I changed the water a couple of times, and after three hours I has something plyable, at least I could get at the bag with heart, gizzard, neck and liver. I decided that this was not the time for temperature experimens since I didn't really know what I started with. I also decided that since parts of the birds might still be frozen or almost frozen I would put it into a cold oven and heat it with the bird inside and do the cooking at around 160 C. I made stuffing from chestnut puree and fried onion and chopped chiocken liver. I rubbed the
tu!
> rkey o
> utside and inside with lemon juice, soy sauce and white pepper (one of our guests is allergic to black pepper and chilli). I was surprised but I managed to get the meat moist and the skin crackling crisp after about 3.5 hours of 160 C or 4 hours after I put the turkey in and turned on the heat. (I covered the top of the turkey with aliminium foil for about half the cooking time.) With this I served a special old fashioned type of potato (small and lumpy, grows best in sandy soil), mashed sweet potatoes and stewed green beans. I made gravy from the turkey neck, heart, gizzard and liver and added some wild mushrooms and of course boiled out the juices formed under the turkey. All in all a great success.
>
> Espen
>
>


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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> PS In addition to introducing the list to Falcon Ridge Marty also
> gave us MEEBERS!

I think of it as Verdant who gave us MEEBERS.  Was it Nipper who picked
it up from her and turned it into a regular word?

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Can you listen to DVDs on a CD player? I know it generally works the
> other way around.

I think no, but I'm sure somebody more knowledgeable will answer.

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Neal Traven wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:18:49 -0600, Doris Markland <dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM> wrote:
>
> >I think that Neal would qualify for fresh meat by now.
> >He's been gone long enough to have regenerated.
>
> Not likely.  Besides, I'm still gone about 99.9% of the time.

Her point is a good one, though, in that there is a freshness when
former Wordslers who have been gone a long time pop back up and we find
out what they've been doing and thinking.  Peter Levy is one who comes
to mind.  And where is Carolyn Wombat?  She's been gone longer than
usual, hasn't she?

> >Anyway, Neal, I want to ask you if I should get
> >the smallpox vaccination.
>
> No, of course not.

Why the "of course"?  Because of course there's not a threat or of
course one shouldn't do something that carries a risk unless the threat
is clearer or what?

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >I was thinking simply a display which looks like a blog--and has
> >the most recent posts. Nobody has to do a thing.
>
> While cool, I think it'd be better to post interesting things manually to
> the blog.  That way the privacy of the list proper is maintained.

Fwiw, I agree.

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At 09:23 AM 1/3/2003 +0100, espen wrote:
>  So I had a half-frozen turkey on the morning of new year's eve. I put it
> in a watertight plastic bag (it was already in a bag but I wanted to make
> sure), and put this again in luke warm water. I changed the water a
> couple of times, and after three hours ... at least I could get at the
> bag with heart, gizzard, neck and liver.

I've had that experience with goose---not much fun wrestling with a mostly
frozen, greasy mass.  It's times like that that I begin wondering about
"the joy of cooking."

>  I decided that this was not the time for temperature experiments since I
> didn't really know what I started with. I also decided that since parts
> of the birds might still be frozen or almost frozen I would put it into a
> cold oven and heat it with the bird inside and do the cooking at around 160 C.

Wise man.

>  I rubbed the turkey outside and inside with lemon juice, soy sauce and
> white pepper (one of our guests is allergic to black pepper and chilli).

Hmmm.  That's basically the liquid in which I marinate chicken
breasts.  Interesting allergy that---allergic only to the outer shell of
the peppercorn.

>  All in all a great success.

That's what counts.

cwv

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This is so much not where I am music-wise

BrP

> Recent acquisitions:
>
> Hoobastank - generic radio rock
> Saliva -Back Into your System- they're the best of the "nu-metal" crop.
> Heavy vocals,
> guitars, energy. I like them now, don't know if I'll have the CD around next
> year.
> Eminem - The Eminem Show - he's the bomb
>
> -rashmi

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= >
= > While cool, I think it'd be better to post interesting things manually to
= > the blog.  That way the privacy of the list proper is maintained.
=

And then, in that case, I'd like it to be the author's decision.
I mean, as much as I might like to display Natalie calling Graham an
asshole for posterity, Natalie better be the one to say yea or
nay.

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09:04 01.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Doris Markland wrote:
>
>>>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:21:11 -0500, alyce cresap
>><alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
>>
>>>>I heard on the news yesterday that Greece has won a suit (worldwide)
>>>>that entitles only Greeks to label cheese as feta. Everyone else has
>>to
>>
>>>>say goat cheese on theirs.

I guess the Danes would not be allowed to way goat cheese on theirs since the Danish "feta" as far as I know it has been made from cow's milk. And even in Greece you can find sheep milk feta.

Espen

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bonniev wrote:

> the huge state deficit Romney is inheriting.

Not understanding much about big-budget matters (as in states or
countries or large entities of any kind), I've never been sure whether
Mississippi is wise or dumb in having a law against operating in the
red.  It can make for some jarring moments, like when universities have
to give back a big chunk of that year's budget in mid-semester, as has
happened several times in recent years.  But maybe it's better than
getting into debt.  I also don't know how common our situation is -- how
many other states, if any, have a rule against deficits.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> financially sound footing (insufficient tax base -- the
> district is all residential).

Another indication of my ignorance of big-budget matters:  I hadn't
really thought about a connection between businesses and school taxes.
I had thought of schools (k-12) as supported by residential taxes.  But
then Starkville doesn't have school districts, so there wouldn't be any
way to notice discrepancies.  Starkville Public Schools = one district.
All children in a certain grade are in the same school.

I do remember that the school system I taught in in Florida many years
ago got a huge amount of federal money because a huge percent of the
population was employed by the federal gov't.  I'm trying to remember
now that well-known-to-me-then term (an acronym, I think).  It was
absolutely crucial for homeroom teachers to make sure that all students
returned the forms filled out by their parents in order to get that big
chunk of federal money.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> an argument with a fellow English Ed major who thought that
> you shouldn't assign writing a sonnet to students because
> they would do it so badly -- I argued that everything they
> write at that age is pretty bad, but you have to write a lot
> of bad stuff to learn how to write well (and really, I find
> that high school students can come up with a killer line or
> two).

And even if they never learn to write good poetry, writing sonnets is a
way for them to appreciate something about how sonnets work, at least on
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or 4 hours after I put the turkey in and turned on the heat. (I covered
the top of the turkey with aliminium foil for about half the cooking
time.) With this I served a special old fashioned type of potato (small
and lumpy, grows best in sandy soil), mashed sweet potatoes and stewed
green beans. I made gravy from the turkey neck, heart, gizzard and liver
and added some wild mushrooms and of course boiled out the juices formed
under the turkey. All in all a great success.
>
> Espen

This sounds like an excellent way to start the new year.

                       - D. M.

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steph wrote:

> And then, in that case, I'd like it to be the author's decision.
> I mean, as much as I might like to display Natalie calling Graham an
> asshole for posterity, Natalie better be the one to say yea or
> nay.

I agree.

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I was right in realizing that I had been wrong in saying the change from
rhetorical to syntactical punctuation was during the 18th cent.  It was
trying to remember what I had said about Thackeray's punctuation that
made me realize it must have been 19th cent.  Since I couldn't remember
what I'd said, though, I did dig out the article last night (a very
boring article I published in _English Language Notes_ in '84).

C.H. Timperley in _The Printers' Manual_ (London, 1838) repeated the
rule that had been in Murray's _English Grammar_ (probably the most
famous of the 18th-cent grammar books in England):  "The comma (,)
represents the shortest pause; the semicolon (;) a pause double that of
the comma; the colon (:) one half longer than that of the semicolon; and
the period (.) double that of the semicolon." (Timperley, p. 5).

Timperley also said in that book that "punctuation may be considered in
two different lights," the rhetorical one, described above, and in a way
that "clears and preserves the sense of the sentence, by combining those
words together that are united in sense, and separating those that are
distinct."  I suggested that that "light" was the beginning of a
movement toward the syntactical punctuation that gradually took over --
that the systems were both present in Thackeray's time and that he used
the rhetorical system in his manuscripts, at least that of VF, but his
publishers edited it to the syntactical system.
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>financially sound footing (insufficient tax base -- the
>>district is all residential).
>>
>
> Another indication of my ignorance of big-budget matters:  I hadn't
> really thought about a connection between businesses and school taxes.
> I had thought of schools (k-12) as supported by residential taxes.  But
> then Starkville doesn't have school districts, so there wouldn't be any
> way to notice discrepancies.  Starkville Public Schools = one district.
> All children in a certain grade are in the same school.


        If all the revenue is coming from property tax, then the
property tax has to be fairly high to support everything,
ie. local government, police and fire, etc. (and property
taxes in WG are pretty high).  Businesses usually pay things
like payroll taxes, income taxes, etc. that can take some of
the pressure off property taxes.  A neighboring district,
the county seat, has a lot of commercial development and
they are able spend twice as much per student and have low
property taxes as a result.  But in Missouri, about half of
the school funding comes from the state, so if the total
spent per student is $7,000 (average for the St. Louis Metro
Region), about $3,500 comes from the state and $3,500 comes
from taxes within the school district.

        I'm completely baffled by your statement that Starkville
doesn't have any school districts -- Starkville Public
Schools *is* the school district.  It has nothing to do with
how the schools within the district are organized.


> I do remember that the school system I taught in in Florida many years
> ago got a huge amount of federal money because a huge percent of the
> population was employed by the federal gov't.  I'm trying to remember
> now that well-known-to-me-then term (an acronym, I think).  It was
> absolutely crucial for homeroom teachers to make sure that all students
> returned the forms filled out by their parents in order to get that big
> chunk of federal money.


        That program is still in place.  I have to fill out that form
when I enroll the exchange students every year as a matter
of routine.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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17:35 31.12.2002 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:

>Lisa and Dan, out in Poulsbo, are going to a Sons of Norway New Year's
>celebration, complete with, as Lisa explained it, "some kind of beef
>dinner, drinks, and dancing."  Shades of Garrison Keilor.  I will be
>interested to hear her reaction.

Vot - no lutefisk?

Espen

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> 17:35 31.12.2002 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>
> >Lisa and Dan, out in Poulsbo, are going to a Sons of Norway New Year's
> >celebration, complete with, as Lisa explained it, "some kind of beef
> >dinner, drinks, and dancing."  Shades of Garrison Keilor.  I will be
> >interested to hear her reaction.
>
> Vot - no lutefisk?
>
> Espen

and no marzipan pig?


BrP

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Perry Blake -- California

(favored cut: "Saying Goodbye")

AS

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I'm completely baffled by your statement that Starkville
> doesn't have any school districts -- Starkville Public
> Schools *is* the school district.  It has nothing to do with
> how the schools within the district are organized.

Right.  That's what I thought I had said -- that Starkville Public
Schools = the district.  To me being a single district means not having
districts (plural).  In Starkville there is no need to say what I would
have said in my childhood in Jackson, for example:  "I live in the
Murrah district."  House ads don't mention school districts here as they
sometimes do in other places if the house happens to be in a <desirable>
school district.  Etc.

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>This is so much not where I am music-wise


...as what? You can't leave a sentence like that unfinished!

-aht

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> >This is so much not where I am music-wise
>
>
> ...as what? You can't leave a sentence like that unfinished!
>
> -aht


Sure I can.  I just did.


BrP

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Making words-l into a blog is a stupid idea. Maybe that's not what the
original poster intended to propose, but if it was, it needs to stop now.
Words-l is a mailing list, not a blog, DUH.

Now, taking an occasional witty or perceptive post and showcasing it on the
web site is great. The web site becomes a product of the person running it.
Collectivism is not a realistic goal on the words-l web site. It will be as
good or as bad as the current web maintainer can make it.

Changing web owners from time to time prevents burnout and freshens things.
There ought to be some way that meebers can contribute to the web site. But
adding a blog to the mailing list will dilute the list and draw postings off
the list to the blog. Duplicate threads will emerge, and people will
eventually gravitate one way or the other. The ultimate result will be the
fragmentation of the words-l community.

-aht
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>Sure I can.  I just did.

Are you always this much of a tease?

Come on, let us know where you are, music-wise.

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I started wondering about terminology re "school district" and googled
for it.  It appears now to be used for whole systems, not for the area
you live in that determines where you go to school (in places that
aren't like Starkville re everybody going to the same school).  Did that
change at some point when people starting questioning the "neighborhood
school" idea and when things like <magnet schools> came along?  Or was
it just mutant terminology in Jackson to say that you couldn't go to
Murrah, for example, because you lived in the Provine district?  There
were strict laws about having to go to the school you were in the
district of.  I was in the Duling Elementary School district, the Bailey
Junior High School district, and the Murrah High School district.  If we
had moved into a different school district -- like a couple of miles
away to the Power Elementary School district, I would have had to change
schools.  We called the Jackson Public Schools the school "system" and
the individual geographical areas that determined which school you went
to the "districts."

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Dang those Parma Pigs - I ate a whole pound of proscuitto in about 7 days.
And I want more. At $20/pound that is one expensive habit.

The pigs are fed on chestnuts and whey from Reggiano cheese from Parma. And
you can taste both flavors strongly in the meat.

Speaking of chestnuts, the reason I know you can taste that flavor in the
meat is I had my first roasted chestnut on New Year's Day. Can anyone tell
me what kind of consistency they are supposed to have when you bite into
them?

-aht

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>
> Are you always this much of a tease?

not always

>
> Come on, let us know where you are, music-wise.
>
> -aht


I quote from a backchannel conversation on this very topic yesterday:


The music I listen to depends very much on my mood.  I
can enjoy almost anything for short periods of time, but I have limited
tolerance for country and rap.  A capella vocal music - especially if the
harmonies are intricate - is sure to capture my attention as is real folk
music, bluegrass, string quartets, Bulgarian women's music, music of the
Alte Plano, and just about anything that is constructed around dialogue
between the musicians or themes that come from deep and complex human
experience.


How's that?


BrP

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:59:33AM -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
= Making words-l into a blog is a stupid idea. Maybe that's not what the
= original poster intended to propose, but if it was, it needs to stop now.
= Words-l is a mailing list, not a blog, DUH.
=

In no particular order:
There is some desire for new blood here.

I think I proposed that we needed some web based activity in
order to get any.

Other people suggested recruiting (people we know from other
lists, people we don't know from other newsgroups)..

Tushar, the new web dude, proposed posting the list as a blog
with a one click to subscribe button.

There's the idea floating around that we could use a blog for
posts which are keepers.

Pete wants a wiki.

Maybe what we need is some press?

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22:27 31.12.2002 -0600 skrev Graham Toal:
>Words-L hall of shame:
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Chopped liver.

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>How's that?

Uhmmmm...you are VERY MATURE!

-aht

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Peter Kaminski said:
> steph writes,
>
> >I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.
>
> Definitely no.  DVDs are written at higher density than CDs, and in data
> files instead of a data stream.
>
> It'd be like trying to run a Windows program stored on a 1.44M floppy on a
> DOS computer with a 360K drive.

Thanks, I was thinking it was something like that.

There's still the fear of wrecking something, you know?

Karen

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steph said:
> I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.  But I'm too lazy to go
> upstairs, get a dvd, boot the other computer and find out for
> you.

I didn't expect you to; I thought someone would know. Which Pete did.

Karen

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steph said:
> Maybe what we need is some press?

I thought that's what the web presence (and blog) was supposed to provide.

Karen

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Anne Toal said:
> Speaking of chestnuts, the reason I know you can taste that flavor in the
> meat is I had my first roasted chestnut on New Year's Day. Can anyone tell
> me what kind of consistency they are supposed to have when you bite into
> them?

Firm but bitable. I don't really like roasted chestnuts--there's
something in the flavor that tastes bad to me. Like Earl Grey tea.

Karen

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:12:51AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.  But I'm too lazy to go
= > upstairs, get a dvd, boot the other computer and find out for
= > you.
=
= I didn't expect you to; I thought someone would know. Which Pete did.

I pretty much had Pete's answer in my head, but couldn't quite
spit it out first thing in the morning.  I know you didn't expect
me to.

steph
"you know everything about everything, and when you don't know,
you make up something that sounds good"

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At 09:47 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, BrP and espen wrote:
> > 17:35 31.12.2002 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
> >
> > >Lisa and Dan, out in Poulsbo, are going to a Sons of Norway New Year's
> > >celebration, complete with, as Lisa explained it, "some kind of beef
> > >dinner, drinks, and dancing."  Shades of Garrison Keilor.  I will be
> > >interested to hear her reaction.
> >
> > Vot - no lutefisk?
> >
> > Espen
>
>and no marzipan pig?

I forgot to ask.  They did have a good time.  The food was average, the
drink was readily available, and the dancing was fun.

cwv

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Anne Toal said:
> >Sure I can.  I just did.
>
> Are you always this much of a tease?

Yes.

Karen

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At 04:26 PM 1/3/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:12:51AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>= steph said:
>= > I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.  But I'm too lazy to go
>= > upstairs, get a dvd, boot the other computer and find out for
>= > you.
>=
>= I didn't expect you to; I thought someone would know. Which Pete did.
>
>I pretty much had Pete's answer in my head, but couldn't quite
>spit it out first thing in the morning.  I know you didn't expect
>me to.

Well, I didn't expect you to not expect that Karen would not---ahh, forget it.

cwv

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steph said:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:12:51AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > I'm pretty sure that the answer is no.  But I'm too lazy to go
> = > upstairs, get a dvd, boot the other computer and find out for
> = > you.
> =
> = I didn't expect you to; I thought someone would know. Which Pete did.
>
> I pretty much had Pete's answer in my head, but couldn't quite
> spit it out first thing in the morning.

It's what I suspected.

> I know you didn't expect me to.

I didn't do it for fear of wrecking something. A stupid, primitive,
non-reality-based fear.

Karen

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 10:05:09AM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
>           and just about anything that is constructed around dialogue
> between the musicians or themes that come from deep and complex human
> experience.

Then why not Eminem?

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> >> The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
> >> situation all the states are in.      -rashmi
> >
> >
> > Romney, the new governor of Massachusetts, along with his lieutenant
> > governor, are going to give up their salaries for four years.  That's
> > $255,000 a year that they hope will go to much needed salary raises for
> > their aides.  The inauguration ball will be much downplayed in the face of
> > the huge state deficit Romney is inheriting.
>
>         Missouri is cut-cut-cutting.  I'm sure it is only a matter of
> time before education starts coming under the axe -

Higher-ed has been axed for the past year and millions more is expected
to be cut soon.

The expectation is that tuition increases will pick up the slack... the
individual should pay not the state.

 One rumor is that early retirement incentives will be discontinued
(most of the long timers are already retired) as the hiring freeze
remains in effect.

IOW... I'm stuck until I reach the ripe old age of 65... no early
retirement for me.

I have no doubt but that the public schools will be targeted in the next
round of slash/slash.


--
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> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 10:05:09AM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> >           and just about anything that is constructed around dialogue
> > between the musicians or themes that come from deep and complex human
> > experience.
>
> Then why not Eminem?

I'm always open to new things.  I'll have to investigate this possibility.

BrP

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18:57 01.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>> Last year we took the tree down around Dec. 27, and 2002 sucked
>> big-time. So the damn tree is still up, and will be up until Ben
>> comes home and helps me take it down.
>
>Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
>31 bodes great ill for the coming year.

The trees shoulst stay up until twelvth might - but I believe we have discussed this in 1991 or something.

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20:11 01.01.2003 -0500 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Eeek.  Maybe it's different in California, but here a tree up after Dec.
>>31 bodes great ill for the coming year.
>
>Nonsense. There are 12 days of Christmas. One may take down the tree &
>have a bah-humbug party on Epiphany (Jan. 6) - or the Eve of Epiphany.

Amen.

Espen

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Espen Ore wrote:

> 22:27 31.12.2002 -0600 skrev Graham Toal:
> >Words-L hall of shame:
> >
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> Chopped liver.
>
Same here.  I'd like to at least be on the list next time.

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Sylvia Edwards said:
> IOW... I'm stuck until I reach the ripe old age of 65... no early
> retirement for me.

How long is that?

Karen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> The trees shoulst stay up until twelvth might - but I believe we have discussed this in 1991 or something.

Yes, we have.  It's amazing how long it is taking y'all to change your
frightening habits and behave The Right Way.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> This is a very nice cat, for someone who wants one. I wonder if
> shelters come and get the cat...

Perhaps. And then they will kill it.

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Best part is that apparently no one knows who put in the provision -
> what a pack of liars.

It is not a secret.

Bill Frist, Lott's replacement, was the one. See this URL and Google
for: Frist Eli Lilly
to find much more about it.

www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_70.asp

alyce

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the bleak
> situation
> all the states are in.

Pataki warned of hard  times. Locally, because of the storms we've
already had this winter and the one going on at this moment, most towns
in this area already have used their budget for snow clearance. The Xmas
Day storm meant paying double time to a lot of the drivers.

alyce


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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Sylvia Edwards said:
> > IOW... I'm stuck until I reach the ripe old age of 65... no early
> > retirement for me.
>
> How long is that?
>
> Karen

Nine years... I was hoping to retire in two years....

When the new semester starts in two weeks, I'm trying out a combination
on-campus/online delivery system.  The classes will meet on campus one
hour a week for 12 weeks and online the rest of the time.   If this
works, I'll be able to work from home.

My hope is that working from home will keep me healthier... and a
healthier me would be able to keep on working longer.


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Karen Kay wrote:
> I didn't look at today's paper yet, but I haven't heard anything
> coherent about the economy from Bush at all. When is the State of the
> Union address?

State of the Union is the 21st or 27th (I forget). His big economic plan
is to make permanent the estate tax thing in 2010, which will help no
one now and eventually will help only the very rich. He is being urged
to extend jobless pay, lower payroll deductions for low- and
middle-income people, and stop double taxation of dividends (i.e.,
company pays taxes on income, then stockholders pay tax on dividends
from that income). There is no word on whether he will consider either
of these items.

alyce
>
> Karen


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The one where the guy orders 200 oxen and gets 200 dachsunds cracks me
up. Especially when they try to rope them, and they stampede.

Karen

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steph writes,

>And then, in that case, I'd like it to be the author's decision.

Yup.  Generally, I think it'd be easiest if authors actually posted
themselves, too.

Pete

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > This is a very nice cat, for someone who wants one. I wonder if
> > shelters come and get the cat...
>
> Perhaps. And then they will kill it.

As someone pointed out, there are no-kill shelters. I like this cat
too much to kill it gratuitously.

I fed it yesterday, and it ate all the food at once, which is
unusual, so I put out more last night before I went to bed, and that's
all gone this morning. (She was sitting right there and came over and
started eating it.)

Karen

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Maybe it's inviting all its friends over for a party while you're sleeping.

BrP



>
> I fed it yesterday, and it ate all the food at once, which is
> unusual, so I put out more last night before I went to bed, and that's
> all gone this morning. (She was sitting right there and came over and
> started eating it.)
>
> Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Why the "of course"?  Because of course there's not a threat or of
> course one shouldn't do something that carries a risk unless the threat
> is clearer or what?

I should not think it likely that every citizen will ever be at risk of
contracting smallpox. As I understand it, It is not contagious until the
eruptions are visible. It's not like it's an invisible thing that will
float in the air and grab everyone. I think they'd have to have "suicide
smallpox victims," people who agree to be infected and then walk amongst
the masses to spread it before they die.

alyce
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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Sylvia Edwards said:
> My hope is that working from home will keep me healthier... and a
> healthier me would be able to keep on working longer.

>From your lips to God's ears. Me, too.

Karen

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Very "12 Monkeys," Alyce. And thank you for putting that macabre suggestion
out in the public.

-a

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Janet:

>I think it was a Rosen/Hardy collaboration -- I told the story of the
>teacher whose Oklahoma accent translated "amoebae" into "meebers," Marty
>applied the term to Wordslers.

I like this - a Rosen/Hardy co-coinage.

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Hi,

Today's report: For the first time in 2-3 weeks (days run together so I
can't remember, because this ailment has gone on for so long), I coughed
up some thick yellow gunk. I take this as a good thing, because I know
there is stuff down there and I have been unable to cough up anything at
all. It is not good that it is yellow, however. So a 50-50 thing. I am
about to call the doctor to report this development, just so he knows. I
don't expect any more medicine, and with the snow, I wouldn't be able to
get it until tomorrow anyway. We are to have 8-12" again, they say. I
think we have over an inch right now. Unlike Xmas day, there is not a
howling wind (yet), and the snow is thick and gentle. It is to be
picking up steam with the worst from 6-midnight, tapering off Sat.
morning. Sigh.
--
alyce

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:02:38 -0800, Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> wrote:

>>Doris, quoting GK:
>>
>>>Doris, politics is part of grown-up life. Introduce a resolution
>>>  condemning terrorism and somebody will attach an amendment to provide a
>>>  big tax break to his brother- in-law. It's in our nature. National unity
>>
>>He speaks the truth. Did you hear about the mysterious anonymous
>>last-second addition of a clause to the Homeland Security Bill providing
>>cover to Eli Lilly should there be a link between their vaccines and autism?
>>Best part is that apparently no one knows who put in the provision -
>>what a pack of liars.
>>
>>-rashmi
>
>What is not a mystery is the name of the person who wrote the language that
>is the bill: our new Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist (R-Eli Lilly).

R-HCA is probably a bit more to the point, but there's no reason to believe
that a Senator can't be owned by numerous interests.

In no way should this be taken to imply that I believe Republicans are the
only corporate-owned American politicians.  Though they seem to be much
better at it than most others.

>
>Who says satire is dead?

Would that the nightmare that is the Bush administration was a mere satire.
 The joke isn't quite so funny when it's played on the entire world.

>Ken Miller
>Political Correspondent
>The Lostin Times

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BrP:

>This is so much not where I am music-wise

I've needed that energy these last few weeks (60-70 hour
work weeks). Certain kinds of music help keep me going
when there's a lot to do. (I'm all caught up now for the time
being - yay)

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cwv:

>Ah-- just wait for the State of the Union Address, when he introduces his
>Faith-based Economy.

Heh, isn't that what supply-side (vodoo) economics is?! More theology
than anything based on real-life.

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:40:38 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:


>> >Anyway, Neal, I want to ask you if I should get
>> >the smallpox vaccination.
>>
>> No, of course not.
>
>Why the "of course"?  Because of course there's not a threat or of
>course one shouldn't do something that carries a risk unless the threat
>is clearer or what?
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Of course there's nothing even remotely like a credible threat and of course
the vaccinated person assumes all the financial risk (thanks to Bush, Frist,
et al.) and of course it's another ploy to keep us scared of anything and
everything and of course it's a way to divert our attention from the
disastrous erosion of our civil rights and national character and of course
it's a stunt to get GWB reelected and of course it's about nine zillion
other dastardly things that I don't have the time to write about.

Other than that, getting vaccinated against this boogeyman is a great idea.

neal

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Karen:

>  > > The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the
>bleak
>  > > situation all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and
>everyone
>  > > seems to recognize that but our happy teflon president. There's no
>talk
>  > > about help for the states. I'm afraid of what might happen.
>  >
>  > Amen ... and what's this "recovery" nonsense like it's a done deal?
>
>  YOU GUYS ARE NOT MAKING ME HAPPY!

Sorry! I'm a little spooked about it, and misery loves company.

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What is really striking in this piece is that Dick Cheney comes out and
says that one of his main priorities is to create an Imperial Presidency
which does not have to answer to anyone.  Combine this with the
Administration's statement to a federal judge that, in it's opinion, the
President has the power to suspend the Constitutional Rights of any US
citizen he chooses without any judicial or Congressional oversight, and
you can see where these warmongering, criminal nutburgers really want to
take
this country.  This is probably exactly what ancient Rome felt like as
they transitioned from a Republic to a Dictatorship.

alyce

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Anne:

>The Hives: Veni Didi Vicious - punk rock lives!
>Scritti Politti: Cupid & Psyche '85 - should have gotten it in 1985, but I
>procrastinated until this year
>The Strokes: Is This It - I was left asking myself that after I listened to
>it
>The White Stripes: White Blood Cells - my current favorite band, Jack
>White's guitar playing is terrific

I have The Hives CD - love that retro sound. Is White Stripes the
brother-sister duo? Heard this at a friend's place - they rock.

-rashmi


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I had an errant apostrophe in this post (it's) and I am embarrassed and
apologetic. It was a true braino because I never have done that in my
entire life.

alyce

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> Maybe it's inviting all its friends over for a party while you're sleeping.

Maybe.

Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
and they are flung all over my patio.

Karen

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Anne Toal said:
> Very "12 Monkeys," Alyce. And thank you for putting that macabre suggestion
> out in the public.

But it's a private list! Thank god.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Today's report: For the first time in 2-3 weeks (days run together so I
> can't remember, because this ailment has gone on for so long), I coughed
> up some thick yellow gunk. I take this as a good thing, because I know
> there is stuff down there and I have been unable to cough up anything at
> all. It is not good that it is yellow, however. So a 50-50 thing. I am
> about to call the doctor to report this development, just so he knows. I
> don't expect any more medicine, and with the snow, I wouldn't be able to
> get it until tomorrow anyway. We are to have 8-12" again, they say. I
> think we have over an inch right now. Unlike Xmas day, there is not a
> howling wind (yet), and the snow is thick and gentle. It is to be
> picking up steam with the worst from 6-midnight, tapering off Sat.
> morning. Sigh.

Yellow is better than green! And maybe the yellow stuff has to come up
before it can be clear.

Karen

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>
> Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> and they are flung all over my patio.
>
> Karen

Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...


BrP

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Karen:
>
> >  > > The most frightening part of the economic outlook for 2003 is the
> >bleak
> >  > > situation all the states are in. They're in serious trouble and
> >everyone
> >  > > seems to recognize that but our happy teflon president. There's no
> >talk
> >  > > about help for the states. I'm afraid of what might happen.
> >  >
> >  > Amen ... and what's this "recovery" nonsense like it's a done deal?
> >
> >  YOU GUYS ARE NOT MAKING ME HAPPY!
>
> Sorry! I'm a little spooked about it, and misery loves company.

I don't blame you for being spooked, but I go from being spooked to
total panic quite easily these days--as I'm sure you can understand.

If misery loves company, you have it.:)

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> What is really striking in this piece is that Dick Cheney comes out and
> says that one of his main priorities is to create an Imperial Presidency
> which does not have to answer to anyone.

I either have to slit my wrists or go do something else now. I think
I'll chooose the latter.

Karen

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> > and they are flung all over my patio.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...

Canned.

Karen

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Has anyone heard about this? The first time I heard about this was
about ten years ago wrt Japan--where 10,000 is a single unit, a
'man'. Doctors were telling their elderly patients to walk ichi-man
steps per day.

So now it seems like it's a big deal in this country--the Cooper
Institute pushes it, among other places. When I was in Michigan, I got
a pedometer that measures steps taken, and so I've been doing my
baseline this week.

10,000 steps is about 5 miles. In an average day, the average American
walks 900-3000 steps. I guess I am above average--my average for the
past few days has been 5,000 steps. What's interesting to me is that I
consider this a fairly sedentary level. I deliberately haven't been
doing any extra walking.

Has anyone else done this?

Karen

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> alyce cresap said:
> > What is really striking in this piece is that Dick Cheney comes out and
> > says that one of his main priorities is to create an Imperial Presidency
> > which does not have to answer to anyone.
>
> I either have to slit my wrists or go do something else now. I think
> I'll chooose the latter.
>
> Karen

O Canada
My future home and land
Bush and his buds
Are more than I can stand

etc.


BrP

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At 09:47 PM 1/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > There's an element of truth in what he says - you've got to admit
> > that over the years this list has become really dull. I know I'm often
> > bored by my posts ...
>
>Does anyone have any ideas on how to get some fresh meat on this list
>without resuming the USENET gateway?
>
> > Kudos to Karen for maintaining champion driveler status despite
> > visiting family, traveling etc. etc.
>
>I think it's a gift.
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

Do we really need the fresh meat. We are hard bunch to understand. I think
word of mouth works pretty well.


alec



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"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
- Albert Einstein

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>steph
>"you know everything about everything, and when you don't know,
>you make up something that sounds good"


you're where you should be all the time
and when you're not
you're with some underworld spy
or the wife of a close friend
you're so vain
I bet you think this song is about you

    --bonniev

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> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> > > and they are flung all over my patio.
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...
>
> Canned.
>
> Karen

Oh, then maybe removing them from the can...

:-)

(friday-dinner humor)



BrP

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > alyce cresap said:
> > > What is really striking in this piece is that Dick Cheney comes out and
> > > says that one of his main priorities is to create an Imperial Presidency
> > > which does not have to answer to anyone.
> >
> > I either have to slit my wrists or go do something else now. I think
> > I'll chooose the latter.
> >
> > Karen
>
> O Canada
> My future home and land
> Bush and his buds
> Are more than I can stand
>
> etc.

More, more!!!

Karen

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> > > > and they are flung all over my patio.
> > > >
> > > > Karen
> > >
> > > Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...
> >
> > Canned.
> >
> > Karen
>
> Oh, then maybe removing them from the can...
>
> :-)
>
> (friday-dinner humor)

Steb.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Anne Toal said:
> > Very "12 Monkeys," Alyce. And thank you for putting that macabre suggestion
> > out in the public.
>
> But it's a private list! Thank god.

It was hardly an original or secret idea. I heard it on the news the
other night.

alyce

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Anne Toal writes,

>Making words-l into a blog is a stupid idea. Maybe that's not what the
>original poster intended to propose, but if it was, it needs to stop now.

It wasn't.

>Words-l is a mailing list, not a blog, DUH.

Yup.

>There ought to be some way that meebers can contribute to the web site. But
>adding a blog to the mailing list will dilute the list and draw postings off
>the list to the blog. Duplicate threads will emerge, and people will
>eventually gravitate one way or the other. The ultimate result will be the
>fragmentation of the words-l community.

This is one of the things I'm mindful of when I'm thinking about online
community architecture, and I think it's a valid concern.

But in the case of words-l, I'm hard-pressed to imagine the blog sucking
participants or threads off the list in any big way.  Besides, blogs are
best at broadcasting to the world, not for having discussions.

But even if it did end up fracturing the community, I can't see that as a
bad thing, either -- what's wrong with progression?

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> Has anyone else done this?

No, but I have often wondered how far I walk just within the house. I'm
guessing only about 1,000. But I don't have a pedometer and would not
remember the numbers if I just start coounting.

Snow is really quite thick on trees. And wires. 8-{

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> No, but I have often wondered how far I walk just within the house. I'm
> guessing only about 1,000. But I don't have a pedometer and would not
> remember the numbers if I just start coounting.

Most of my walking is within the house right now.

> Snow is really quite thick on trees. And wires. 8-{

Any of it melting?

Karen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> But even if it did end up fracturing the community, I can't see that as a
> bad thing, either -- what's wrong with progression?

Well, you have a family with you, so perhaps you would not miss the
community. I would. It would be as if people had died (knock on wood) or
something.

alyce

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>We are to have 8-12" again, they say. I
>think we have over an inch right now. Unlike Xmas day, there is not a
>howling wind (yet), and the snow is thick and gentle. It is to be
>picking up steam with the worst from 6-midnight, tapering off Sat.
>morning. Sigh.         --alyce

"sigh"  indeed.  The Weather Channel even has their on-the-scene man
located in Newburgh this time.   If I saw that guy get off a plane
anywhere, I'd immediately fly some place else!

Thanks for the report, Alyce.  I hope the productive cough it is indeed a
good sign and not wholly bad.  As for me, I just had another ocular
migraine.  Didn't seem as bad as the one on Monday, though.  Don't know
what this means.   I think I'll wait for a third one before I actually
report in.  I did document everything that I did and ate in the last 20
hours or so.   Nothing unusual.


    --bonniev

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At 10:27 AM 1/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:35 AM 1/2/2003 -0500, lisa wrote:
>>>  Favre is awesome, but there's not that much else going on there.
>>>Marie
>>
>>Favre is great. The rest of his team is beat up.
>....
>>  Even with their decision to
>>lay down in the second half of the game, I'm not sure they'll get deep into
>>the playoffs w/o home field advantage.
>
>It doesn't look good for them---apparently Sharper (DB) and Driver (WR) are
>still in bad shape, and they need both of them playing well.
>
>  I see where McNabb is supposed to start practicing today.
>
>cwv


There is much debate in Philly about McNabb coming back. If he is healthy
enough, or should be put in if he is healthy. I think he should as he adds
a twist to defenses. He has great backups, so we are not  too worried.


alec

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:


>
> Higher-ed has been axed for the past year and millions more is expected
> to be cut soon.
>
> The expectation is that tuition increases will pick up the slack... the
> individual should pay not the state.


        Oh yes, I'm well aware of this as my tuition bill skyrocked
this past semester (I paid for 14 credits).  UMSL is
traditionally underfunded compared to the other schools in
the UM system, so we're getting hit faster and harder.  My
tuition isn't that much of a struggle for us, but I couldn't
pay it if I was in the same place I was at as an undergraduate.


>  One rumor is that early retirement incentives will be discontinued
> (most of the long timers are already retired) as the hiring freeze
> remains in effect.


        Yuck.


> I have no doubt but that the public schools will be targeted in the next
> round of slash/slash.


        But let's leave no child behind.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 11:58 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/03/politics/03SECR.html?pagewanted=1
>
>  This is probably exactly what ancient Rome felt like as
>they transitioned from a Republic to a Dictatorship.

You don't have to go that far back.  The parallel between 9/11 and the
Reichstag fire is becoming more clear all the time.

cwv

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bonniev said:
> >Has anyone heard about this? The first time I heard about this was
> >about ten years ago wrt Japan--where 10,000 is a single unit, a
> >'man'.
>
> The Boston Globe had a walking route map the other day which showed 10,000
> steps.  But I was pretty sure it was 3.9 miles.  Maybe it was 4.9.

Everything I've ever seen on this, in Japanese and English, says that
10,000 steps is about 5 miles. I don't know whether the Boston Globe
knows this or not.

>  >I guess I am above average--my average for the
>  >past few days has been 5,000 steps.
>
> How do you know this?

My new pedometer tells me so. (I thought I wrote about that--I'm
trading my sister a pedometer that does distance for a new one that
does steps.)

> >Has anyone else done this?

> Done what?

a) Measured how many steps they take in a day or b) tried to make sure
they walk 10,000 steps/day.

Karen

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>Has anyone heard about this? The first time I heard about this was
>about ten years ago wrt Japan--where 10,000 is a single unit, a
>'man'.

The Boston Globe had a walking route map the other day which showed 10,000
steps.  But I was pretty sure it was 3.9 miles.  Maybe it was 4.9.

 >I guess I am above average--my average for the
 >past few days has been 5,000 steps.

How do you know this?


>Has anyone else done this?
>Karen

Done what?


    --bonniev

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I started wondering about terminology re "school district" and googled
> for it.  It appears now to be used for whole systems, not for the area
> you live in that determines where you go to school (in places that
> aren't like Starkville re everybody going to the same school).  Did that
> change at some point when people starting questioning the "neighborhood
> school" idea and when things like <magnet schools> came along?  Or was
> it just mutant terminology in Jackson to say that you couldn't go to
> Murrah, for example, because you lived in the Provine district?  There
> were strict laws about having to go to the school you were in the
> district of.  I was in the Duling Elementary School district, the Bailey
> Junior High School district, and the Murrah High School district.  If we
> had moved into a different school district -- like a couple of miles
> away to the Power Elementary School district, I would have had to change
> schools.  We called the Jackson Public Schools the school "system" and
> the individual geographical areas that determined which school you went
> to the "districts."
>


        No, you're talking about two different things -- the
terminology "district" is also used when you talk about
things like what neighborhood elementary school district
your property falls in (ours were reorganized last year,
putting Ana in an undesirable school as opposed to the
desirable one we were under the impression Ana would go to
when we bought the house, which is why she goes to a private
school right now).  In this case, "district" means something
geographical, while a School District is more of an economic
entity -- I'm an employee of the Webster Groves School
District, not Webster Groves High School.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rita Chapman said:
> things like what neighborhood elementary school district
> your property falls in (ours were reorganized last year,
> putting Ana in an undesirable school as opposed to the
> desirable one we were under the impression Ana would go to
> when we bought the house, which is why she goes to a private
> school right now).

This SO sucks! Housing prices are so dependent on school districts.

Karen

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At 09:15 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Can you listen to DVDs on a CD player? I know it generally works the
>other way around.
>
>Karen

No.

alec



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At 09:04 AM 1/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Dang those Parma Pigs - I ate a whole pound of proscuitto in about 7 days.
>And I want more. At $20/pound that is one expensive habit.
>
>The pigs are fed on chestnuts and whey from Reggiano cheese from Parma. And
>you can taste both flavors strongly in the meat.
>
>Speaking of chestnuts, the reason I know you can taste that flavor in the
>meat is I had my first roasted chestnut on New Year's Day. Can anyone tell
>me what kind of consistency they are supposed to have when you bite into
>them?
>
>-aht

A little mushy, but not soft.


alec

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:01:38 -0600, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:

>Sylvia Edwards wrote:

>> I have no doubt but that the public schools will be targeted in the next
>> round of slash/slash.
>
>
>        But let's leave no child behind.
>

Another clever PR slogan by the masterful Bushies.  They enticed us to
infer that this meant raising opportunities for those who hadn't seen any,
when it really meant slashing everything and everyone down to the woeful
bottom.  Unless, of course, they're (the correct) faith-based.

My 9-year-old nephew's "gifted" program is likely to be the first thing on
the cutting block for the Seattle school system.  That blends nicely with
the several week-plus closures that the entire Seattle public library
system has been enduring (and will continue to endure).

Thank you, Mr. President.

neal

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> bonniev said:
> > The Boston Globe had a walking route map the other day which showed 10,000
> > steps.  But I was pretty sure it was 3.9 miles.  Maybe it was 4.9.
>
> Everything I've ever seen on this, in Japanese and English, says that
> 10,000 steps is about 5 miles. I don't know whether the Boston Globe
> knows this or not.

I looked on their website, but couldn't find the article you were
talking about.

Karen

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Neal Traven said:
> My 9-year-old nephew's "gifted" program is likely to be the first thing on
> the cutting block for the Seattle school system.  That blends nicely with
> the several week-plus closures that the entire Seattle public library
> system has been enduring (and will continue to endure).

Austin PL closed an extra day/week during the summer. They still
manage to be open more hours than most CA libraries.

Karen

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>Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>  Maybe it's inviting all its friends over for a party while you're sleeping.
>
>Maybe.
>
>Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
>and they are flung all over my patio.

Neither Amy nor Happy will eat oysters either, at least not raw ones.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Any of it melting?

Nope. The temp is hanging around 30. A blast of very cold air from
Quebec is to come pretty soon. The storm part really has not begun. That
is expected around 6pm and last 'til early morning. Then the winds will
blow.

Are you expecting it to hit Maine, Bonnie/Clyde?

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
> "sigh"  indeed.  The Weather Channel even has their on-the-scene man
> located in Newburgh this time.   If I saw that guy get off a plane
> anywhere, I'd immediately fly some place else!

Newburgh is where Doug came in.

> As for me, I just had another ocular
> migraine.

Be careful! Don't dally with this, especially over a weekend.

alyce

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This was on Craigslist: "We have 50 places available to people who
would like to be castaway on a beautiful desert island for 3 months
from April 03 onwards. Interested? then please e-mail me you details
and I will tell you more."

The address was EricHoweUK@aol.com

Karen

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Neal Traven wrote:


> My 9-year-old nephew's "gifted" program is likely to be the first thing on
> the cutting block for the Seattle school system.  That blends nicely with
> the several week-plus closures that the entire Seattle public library
> system has been enduring (and will continue to endure).


        Gifted programs are generally protected as they fall under
the special education umbrella.  Extras within the program
may be cut (our program at the high school gets extra
funding for field trips and speakers), but the program
itself going is unlikely.  Granted, that reduces it pretty
much to tracking.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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alyce cresap writes,

>Well, you have a family with you, so perhaps you would not miss the
>community.

The community won't die.  It will just be arrayed differently -- and
collectively, will probably have more vigor.

Pete

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At 01:50 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:

>Are you expecting it to hit Maine, Bonnie/Clyde?
>
>alyce

ayeh.
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Winter Weather Advisory

1123 am EST Fri Jan 3 2003

...A Winter Storm Warning remains in effect for late tonight through
Saturday evening...
...A Wind Advisory remains in effect for Saturday...
snow will begin late tonight and accumulate 8 to 14 inches before
ending Saturday evening. Near blizzard conditions are possible
Saturday with northeast winds of 25 to 35 mph producing near
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High impact...
a combination of heavy snow and winds of 25 to 35 mph on Saturday
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>things like what neighborhood elementary school district
>>your property falls in (ours were reorganized last year,
>>putting Ana in an undesirable school as opposed to the
>>desirable one we were under the impression Ana would go to
>>when we bought the house, which is why she goes to a private
>>school right now).
>>
>
> This SO sucks! Housing prices are so dependent on school districts.


        Yup!  And expensive.  Her tuition is over $4000/year.
Sending her to Webster Groves will essentially be a terrific
benefit of my employment ... and my salary and benefit
package are not very good compared to other local districts,
so every little bit helps.   Which goes to prove that money
isn't what attracts really fine teachers, because I work
with some dynamite people.  During the last snow storm, I
even received several offers of guest bedrooms if I didn't
want to drive home in really nasty weather (I live about 40
minutes from the school).  Being an intrepid Yankee, I don't
mind driving in the snow that much, but I thought that was
soooo nice.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Peter Kaminski said:
> The community won't die.  It will just be arrayed differently -- and
> collectively, will probably have more vigor.

But to some people, how it's arrayed matters more than vigor. cf
Natalie's comment on not finding the list boring.

Karen

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 8:53, Karen Kay wrote:

> Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters, and
> they are flung all over my patio.

Pretty much what I would do with them, too.

   mem

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 01:50 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>
> >Are you expecting it to hit Maine, Bonnie/Clyde?
> >
> >alyce
>
> ayeh.
> ===================================================
>
> Winter Weather Advisory
>
> 1123 am EST Fri Jan 3 2003
>
> ...A Winter Storm Warning remains in effect for late tonight through
> Saturday evening...
> ...A Wind Advisory remains in effect for Saturday...
> snow will begin late tonight and accumulate 8 to 14 inches before
> ending Saturday evening. Near blizzard conditions are possible
> Saturday with northeast winds of 25 to 35 mph producing near
> whiteout conditions at times.
>
> High impact...
> a combination of heavy snow and winds of 25 to 35 mph on Saturday
> will create very hazardous conditions. Visibilities will
> occasionally be less than one quarter mile in falling snow with
> occasional blowing and drifting snow causing near whiteout
> conditions.
> =======================================================

Since you all have hijacked my thread, I feel compelled to post my
forecast for the next few days:

THIS AFTERNOON
 Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. Variable southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.

[It's already 67; I expect it to get up to 70.]

TONIGHT
  Clear. Lows in the mid 30s. South winds around 10 mph.

SATURDAY
 Mostly sunny and warmer. Highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 5 to
 10 mph.

SATURDAY NIGHT
 Clear. Lows in the lower 40s.

SUNDAY
 Partly cloudy. Highs in the mid 70s.

SUNDAY NIGHT
 Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s.

Karen

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
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> >Are you expecting it to hit Maine, Bonnie/Clyde?

Perhaps Bonnie should take it easy with the shovelling, due to her eye?

alyce

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
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> The community won't die.  It will just be arrayed differently -- and
> collectively, will probably have more vigor.

Disagree. If it starts to splinter, and there does not happen to be an
influx of new blood (no guarantee of that after all), some people will
go one way, some another, and some might just leave.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
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> But to some people, how it's arrayed matters more than vigor. cf
> Natalie's comment on not finding the list boring.

It is boring sometimes, but (baring my emotions), I think of it as a
family. Sometimes family members are boring, but overall they're good to
have around.

alyce

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 3 Jan 2003 at 8:53, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>
>>Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters, and
>>they are flung all over my patio.
>>
>
> Pretty much what I would do with them, too.


        LOL.  I'm taking care of my neighbor's cats this week; I'll
be sure not to feed them any oysters!




--
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>But to some people, how it's arrayed matters more than vigor. cf
>>Natalie's comment on not finding the list boring.
>>
>
> It is boring sometimes, but (baring my emotions), I think of it as a
> family. Sometimes family members are boring, but overall they're good to
> have around.


        I like the idea of a best-of blog on the website.  Not only
can we nominate posts and generate a few hundred messages
that way, but I think some of the more intelligent
discussions that happen here are what would attract new
meat.  No offense, but when we're bickering and talking
about cooking and reality TV, we don't appear to be very
bright as a group.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 02:34 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >
> > >Are you expecting it to hit Maine, Bonnie/Clyde?
>
>Perhaps Bonnie should take it easy with the shovelling, due to her eye?

I'll let Bonnie answer that and decide on tomorrow.  Ocular migraines seem
to be relatively common; in and of themselves, they don't seem to be much
of a threat, although if they are caused by restricted circulatory flow,
then <that> is a potential problem.

cwv

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Rita Chapman said:
>         LOL.  I'm taking care of my neighbor's cats this week; I'll
> be sure not to feed them any oysters!

I ran out of cat food and I didn't want to sacrifice any more human
tuna or canned salmon.

Karen

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>I looked on their website, but couldn't find the article you were
>talking about.      --Karen

It was still in our recycle bin.  There is a weekly insert in the Thursday
paper called Calendar.  It was in there.  The article is named "Step On
It"  by Denise Taylor.  It says "10,000 steps or 3.9 miles (figuring 2.1
feet per step)"


    --bonniev

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>This was on Craigslist: "We have 50 places available to people who
>would like to be castaway on a beautiful desert island for 3 months
>from April 03 onwards. Interested? then please e-mail me you details
>and I will tell you more."
>
>The address was EricHoweUK@aol.com
>Karen

Too bad it didn't say "cast away on a beautiful frozen glacier".


    --bonniev

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>Are you expecting it to hit Maine, Bonnie/Clyde?
>alyce

As Clyde said, yes.   And it will be a Nor'easter for us because a low is
developing off the DelMarva peninsula which will whip up the storm in the
Gulf of Maine and drive it into the Maine Coast.


    --bonniev

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>Newburgh is where Doug came in.

Yes, I know.  I thought of him as the Weather Channel stood with his back
to the interstate and showed the conditions around Newburgh this
morning.  Not nice.   It's at times like this that I realize just how far
north Bar Harbor is.  The sun is still shining brightly here.  No snow
sky.  No nothing.

> > As for me, I just had another ocular migraine.
>
>Be careful! Don't dally with this, especially over a weekend.
>alyce

He told me Monday afternoon that I'm allowed to dally with this.  No
dalliance is critical to retinal problems.  But this problem originates in
the brain.  He told me one more ocular migraine within three months and he
would think about an angiogram.  Two more and he would definitely want to
do one.  But I asked, and was assured, that time was not of an
essence.  I'm going to make it easier for him and wait for the third
one.  I'll have documentation for him so that he will have a clue to why
it's happening.   What I'm not too sure about is exactly what they look for
in the angiogram -- what the various dire scenarios are that might be
causing a cluster of ocular migraines.   I googled and didn't get very far
beyond descriptions of occular migraines and eye angiograms.

He even suggested that I try to reproduce the circumstances of the first
one, have another one, figure out why, and then avoid whatever the causes
that precipitated the migraine.   But I don't see much in common between
the first one and the second except for time of day.


    --bonniev

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>SUNDAY
>  Partly cloudy. Highs in the mid 70s.
>
>SUNDAY NIGHT
>  Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s.
>Karen

Sounds quiet nice.  Talk to us again in July.


    --bonniev

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>Perhaps Bonnie should take it easy with the shovelling, due to her eye?
>alyce

Clyde will probably send me out there into the teeth of it as a scientific
experiment to see if heavy lifting will bring on another light show.  He
has NFL playoffs to watch!

The local newspaper yesterday said that we got 14 inches of snow on
Christmas night with drifts up to 3 feet.  Our town manager was quoted as
saying that it was the most snow from a single storm since he moved here 16
years ago.  I must be getting used to this because I didn't think the
shoveling was bad at all.  It was a light snow.  Given the forecasted
temperatures, this one will be also.  The colder the temps, the lighter the
snow.


    --bonniev

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bonniev said:
> It was still in our recycle bin.  There is a weekly insert in the Thursday
> paper called Calendar.  It was in there.  The article is named "Step On
> It"  by Denise Taylor.  It says "10,000 steps or 3.9 miles (figuring 2.1
> feet per step)"

Merci.

2.1 feet per step is shorter than *my* stride, so it's a very short stride.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> Sounds quiet nice.  Talk to us again in July.

I remember that my July 4th weather last year was nicer than yours.

Hey, here's an article about walking in younger vs. older women. I
don't quite know what to make of it, but it's interesting.

http://www.wfu.edu/users/gravcv03/discussion.html

Karen

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Has anyone used Resolve carpet cleaner? How did it work for you?

Karen

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alyce cresap writes,

>Disagree. If it starts to splinter, and there does not happen to be an
>influx of new blood (no guarantee of that after all), some people will
>go one way, some another, and some might just leave.

A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.  I can
imagine an influx of new blood clustering around the blog, and making a new
sort of conversation there -- but I can't imagine the folks here getting
sucked out of the list to go live on the blog.

Pete

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>Has anyone used Resolve carpet cleaner? How did it work for you?
>Karen

The spot stuff in the red spray bottle?  Yes.  Works well.


    --bonniev

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Jack and Meg White - The White Stripes. Yes, brother and sister.

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>bonniev said:
> > Sounds quiet nice.  Talk to us again in July.
>
>I remember that my July 4th weather last year was nicer than yours.

Yes, but our hot weather only lasted two days in July.

>Hey, here's an article about walking in younger vs. older women. I
>don't quite know what to make of it, but it's interesting.
>
>http://www.wfu.edu/users/gravcv03/discussion.html
>Karen

Didn't seem all that interesting to me.  What did you see in the article
other than older women walk more slowly with a shorter gait than younger
women.  Seems like a big snooze to me.

What I would like to know is if I will get just as much exercise by taking
10,000 steps with a short stride and covering 3.9 miles as I would with a
longer stride and covering 5 miles.

    --bonniev

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Peter Kaminski said:
> A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.  I can
> imagine an influx of new blood clustering around the blog, and making a new
> sort of conversation there -- but I can't imagine the folks here getting
> sucked out of the list to go live on the blog.

I might, if I POPed mail and if I were working, because it's more accessible.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >Has anyone used Resolve carpet cleaner? How did it work for you?
> >Karen
>
> The spot stuff in the red spray bottle?  Yes.  Works well.

Any problems?

Karen

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How old is the list?

Pete

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bonniev said:
> What I would like to know is if I will get just as much exercise by taking
> 10,000 steps with a short stride and covering 3.9 miles as I would with a
> longer stride and covering 5 miles.

WTF does "just as much exercise" even mean?! Who cares? The point is
not to worry about stride length and just do your 10,000 steps every
day.

You have such a grudging attitude toward this! Relax, be happy,
Bonnie!!!

Karen

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:16:18 -0800, Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>
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>How old is the list?
>
>Pete

DOB was in October or November of 1989.

Natalie was present at the birth.

neal

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Neal Traven writes,

>DOB was in October or November of 1989.

Thanks, Neal.  13 doesn't sound *too* old. :)

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Peter Kaminski said:
>
>>A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.  I can
>>imagine an influx of new blood clustering around the blog, and making a new
>>sort of conversation there -- but I can't imagine the folks here getting
>>sucked out of the list to go live on the blog.
>>
>
> I might, if I POPed mail and if I were working, because it's more accessible.


        I read the archives at work sometimes during my lunch break.
  I wonder if they've been fixed?  I shouldn't do that
anyway -- I should get all my work done at school so I don't
have to do so much at home.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Rita Chapman said:
>         I read the archives at work sometimes during my lunch break.
>   I wonder if they've been fixed?

You can read them at UGA, you know.
http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/words-l.html will prompt you to
create a userid and password.

Karen

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>A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.

I blogged an expansion of this thought.  I also invited readers over...

Posted at <http://www.istori.com/log/>:

A social list I'm on is discussing how to find and invite a few new
interesting folks to the list. One of the proposals is to create a blog
where some of the more engaging posts can go, so people on the web can find
us better via searches or RSS. A concomitant worry amongst the folks who
haven't had experience with blogs is that the existence of the blog might
splinter the group and its discussions into the blog group and the list
group, and end up dissipating the group entirely.

In trying to describe that a blog isn't really the same kind of discussion
space as a list, I hit upon an analogy: our list is like a house, where the
list lives. (And in the case of this particular list, it acts very much
like a family, with all the large and small details of life and living, and
all the bickering and love that a family has.) Blogs are like front
porches. As people amble by on the sidewalk, they find an interesting
person or three on the front porch swing. They might follow a bit of the
discussion, and be moved to say hello. Or they might amble on, and when
they get home to their porch, talk about how they saw so-and-so talking
over on Elm Street about such-and-such.

Houses which don't have front porches and people on them? Nobody knows
what's going on inside them (cf. my earlier "you're just a lurker" post).

Does it have to be a front porch? How about if we just have a home page for
the list, instead of a blog? That's a start -- but a static home page is
more like a billboard than a front porch. Aren't a couple of live people
talking in front of a house more inviting than a billboard?

And the family's life and living -- where does that happen? Well, the
family spends some of its time on the porch -- but the real living, and all
the juicy discussions -- they go on inside. So I don't worry that having a
blog, or a front porch, will cause the family to disband.

----

By the way, you're welcome to visit our list, while we figure out whether
to add that front porch or not. It's not very big -- around 100 people --
but most subscribers are active. It's nominally about the English language,
and that's a common interest of many of the subscribers -- but it's not the
main topic.

Some other things we like: gossip, regionalisms and geography. We're on the
older side -- average age is probably around 50. That predicts more than
we'd like (as part of the discussion of how to describe the list, I offered
"a cranky gang of old farts," and got a chorus of "tell it like it is!"
responses instead of disagreements :-), but less than you'd think.

The place is a "bog of self-reference," mainly from being around forever
(since late '89). Listen for a while, or ask. And last but not least, it's
high-volume, 100-200 messages per day. Start by deleting a lot. :-)
If it still sounds interesting, you can subscribe on the Words-L Listserv
page. There is also an alternate Words-L web site.

Pete

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> > The spot stuff in the red spray bottle?  Yes.  Works well.
>
>Any problems?
>Karen

If you use too much, it gets all soapy and hard to wash up.  But it works
wonders.   Takes out any stain at all.  I've never had it discolor
anything.  The woman at the furniture store even recommended it.


    --bonniev

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>You have such a grudging attitude toward this! Relax, be happy,
>Bonnie!!!      --Karen

O.k.   Send me your pedometer.   You're the one counting your every
friggin' step.


    --bonniev

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One of those things that I planted that I thought was cabbage turns
out to be broccoli!!! Neat!

Karen

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Peter Kaminski said:
> Aren't a couple of live people
> talking in front of a house more inviting than a billboard?

Once Tushar is up and running, I'm wondering if there's a way to post
the last 3 messages to the website, or something like that.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> >You have such a grudging attitude toward this! Relax, be happy,
> >Bonnie!!!      --Karen
>
> O.k.   Send me your pedometer.

You have an income, buy your own.

> You're the one counting your every
> friggin' step.

No, that's the job of my pedometer.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> > > The spot stuff in the red spray bottle?  Yes.  Works well.
> >
> >Any problems?
> >Karen
>
> If you use too much, it gets all soapy and hard to wash up.  But it works
> wonders.   Takes out any stain at all.  I've never had it discolor
> anything.  The woman at the furniture store even recommended it.

It seems to have lightened one spot on the carpet. There's a
mysterious small, red stain in my housemate's room, but hopefully it
won't bother him. That didn't come out.

Karen

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Revised upward for the nightly news. Sheesh!
--
alyce

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> alyce cresap writes,
>
> >Disagree. If it starts to splinter, and there does not happen to be an
> >influx of new blood (no guarantee of that after all), some people will
> >go one way, some another, and some might just leave.
>
> A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.  I can
> imagine an influx of new blood clustering around the blog, and making a new
> sort of conversation there -- but I can't imagine the folks here getting
> sucked out of the list to go live on the blog.

Well, I just don't get it. If we are not going to be sucked out of the
list to go to the blog, then what is the point? It is just a new blog,
then, for new people. I presume that the blog people would not enter the
list, by the same logic. But you know me...I don't like anything new.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Revised upward for the nightly news. Sheesh!

I take it this is snow rather than penis length? (Sorry--I get a lot
of spam...)

Karen

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At 12:46 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, alec wrote:

>There is much debate in Philly about McNabb coming back. If he is healthy
>enough, or should be put in if he is healthy. I think he should as he adds
>a twist to defenses. He has great backups, so we are not  too worried.

I hope that he's in condition to play---I enjoy watching him.

cwv

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> > O.k.   Send me your pedometer.
>
>You have an income, buy your own.
>Karen

No, I don't.  I'm totally dependent on this guy I live with.  He force
feeds me strange food and makes me shovel all the snow.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Peter Kaminski wrote:
> > >
> > The community won't die.  It will just be arrayed differently -- and
> > collectively, will probably have more vigor.
>
> Disagree. If it starts to splinter, and there does not happen to be an
> influx of new blood (no guarantee of that after all), some people will
> go one way, some another, and some might just leave.

But this splintering is already happening...  and hasn't it always been
this way?... only currently more are vanishing than are wandering in the door.

As I look at my kids' online habits, a blog could capture their interest
for a bit, but I doubt that they'd find anything around here to be of
interest to them.   All four of them participate in discussions linked
to their specific interests.  Phatic drivel is not high on their
interest lists.  The ages of the kids are 26-29.
--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Country Curtains has a sucky web page.  But here is a nice Renaissance
Valence that would work in Natalie's house:

http://www.countrycurtainscatalog.com/p/fullpage.php?page=007&session=1103619

Country Curtains, physically located in the Red Lion Inn near List Honey
and where Betty and I stayed one night after SnowBash, also has a variety
of nice, but expensive, bedspreads.


    --bonniev

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bonniev said:
> > > O.k.   Send me your pedometer.
> >
> >You have an income, buy your own.
> >Karen
>
> No, I don't.  I'm totally dependent on this guy I live with.  He force
> feeds me strange food and makes me shovel all the snow.

My heart bleeds for you, Bonnie.

Karen

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:31:56AM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>      I'm not really sure how poetry reading is taught, to be
> honest.  I've heard people teaching teachers to have their
> students pause at the end of every line -- which nearly made
> me lose my mind.

Better than the deeply aesthetic thinking-BOBO reading it like
a slab of prose in a monotone ... It's like they are on the
Barbara Walters show

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 10:28:23AM -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
> Very "12 Monkeys," Alyce. And thank you for putting that macabre
> suggestion out in the public.

Oh my ASS!

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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:26:55PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >I was thinking simply a display which looks like a blog--and has
> >the most recent posts. Nobody has to do a thing.
>
> While cool, I think it'd be better to post interesting things manually to
> the blog.  That way the privacy of the list proper is maintained.  Besides,
> can you imagine anyone wanting to read an arbitrary 10 or 20 consecutive
> posts from the list?

I would vastly prefer it to reading a self-consciously tended blog.
And I think you underestimate the number of people like me. But that's
neither here nor there. What blog software do you recommend I run? Or
is it better hosted elsewhere?

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 16:31, Neal Traven wrote:

> DOB was in October or November of 1989.

To be precise: http://www.arrirang.net/birth.html

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I was watching some kind of super-colossal mega-entertainment
on ice the other day ... I have to say only Kristy Yamaguchi
had the correct attitude for it ... All others were awkward,
heavy, ashamed, humorless, etc etc. She is also like pretty
hott, huh huh

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:34:03PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >      I'm not really sure how poetry reading is taught, to be
> > honest.  I've heard people teaching teachers to have their
> > students pause at the end of every line -- which nearly made
> > me lose my mind.
>
> Better than the deeply aesthetic thinking-BOBO reading it like
> a slab of prose in a monotone ... It's like they are on the
> Barbara Walters show

Oops, sorry, constructive question, for people like Alyce: any
good source for obtaining "Basil Bunting reads Briggflatts" and
other poems? I think I should own something that has a badass
voice reading badass poems ...

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:59:33AM -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
> Now, taking an occasional witty or perceptive post and showcasing it on the
> web site is great. The web site becomes a product of the person running it.
> Collectivism is not a realistic goal on the words-l web site. It will be as
> good or as bad as the current web maintainer can make it.

Not true ... You can give a couple or three, or 8 or 20 people freedom
to "showcase" any post they like. You don't need to have a B&D website,
man!

> Changing web owners from time to time prevents burnout and freshens things.
> There ought to be some way that meebers can contribute to the web site. But
> adding a blog to the mailing list will dilute the list and draw postings off
> the list to the blog. Duplicate threads will emerge, and people will
> eventually gravitate one way or the other. The ultimate result will be the
> fragmentation of the words-l community.

In that case, I would conclude that "fragmentation" was due. A blog
doesn't do anyone harm ... if it's really such an anti-wordsl-spirit
thing, it will lie fallow, big deal.

> -aht
> (And besides, my killfile won't work on the blog)

That's a nonsense madam ... of course there must be blog killfiling
software--or should I say "siftware", the gimmicky concept from 8
years ago, ha ha ha ha

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 01:01:14PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Peter Kaminski said:
> > A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.  I can
> > imagine an influx of new blood clustering around the blog, and making a new
> > sort of conversation there -- but I can't imagine the folks here getting
> > sucked out of the list to go live on the blog.
>
> I might, if I POPed mail and if I were working, because it's more accessible.

K*R*N, that's why I suggested archives in a more web-browser-accessible
format than a concatenated file on ftp. My hunch is that it will not only
make it easy for wordslers to browse but also attract the right kind of
drivellers. Isn't it words-l's duty to give a flavor of day-to-day life
on words-l?

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Question:  I'm about to write a thank-you note for a donation to my
Jackson church (not exactly "my" really -- but that's how I think of it
-- the church I grew up in), and the card says the usual things cards of
that kind say about a donation in memory of and then gives the name and
address of the giver.  But over to the left of that person's name and
address it says "altar guild."  Should I say "Dear Mrs. Kersh, Thank you
so much for the donation that you and the Altar Guild made [etc]"?  Or
should I say "Dear Altar Guild"?  Or should I say "Dear Mrs. Kersh, I
want to thank the Altar Guild so much [etc]"?  Iow, would you assume
that this was a gift from the Altar Guild?

Perhaps "Dear Mrs. Kersh, Thank you so much for your donation on behalf
of the Altar Guild."  Yes, that sounds best, I think.  Or does it?  I
think I'll wait until tomorrow to write it, when I will perhaps be
thinking better.  It won't get mailed until tomorrow anyway.  I found it
in my home mailbox late this afternoon -- a box I realized yesterday
that I should look in more often.  I look in it occasionally, usually at
the end of a walk with Spencer, but I hadn't looked it in in several
days and late yesterday found it full of important notes and cards.

Today was busy since I had to do stuff in the office this morning (still
not knowing for sure how many classes I'll be teaching Monday morning --
such is the life of an adjunct, but mainly because of a series of
screwups re Sociolinguistics that I might have already mentioned), then
came home and found a phone messagee from the nursing home about what to
do with Mama's tv set, returned that call and then went up there and
visited a while with Mama's old roommate and her old roommate's new
roommate (strange, strange feeling, as you can imagine, although this
woman and I knew people in common and had a nice conversation, and I did
not say anything about the fact that my mother had been lying right
there not long ago), then visited with various of the employees, all of
whom are super people imho.  A maintenance man moved the tv set from the
storage place to my car -- after I pulled around and backed up right to
the storage place.  And then when I got home, y'all would've been
really, really proud of my ASKING FOR HELP!  I wouldn't have done it
except that God sent two strong men into my view just as I was
struggling with getting the tv set out of the car.  I could have done
it.  I would have done it.  But just as I was struggling with it, a
neighbor and a strong young helper appeared in the distance, moving some
kind of steel rods into a truck.  I stopped and stared and concluded
that God meant for this to be and that Wordslers would be so proud of me
if I did what I did -- I looked over there and said, "This is sooo
tempting.  I bet your muscles would be happier about moving that stuff
if you first flexed them by moving a tv set."  Anyway, they moved the tv
set from the car to my back room, then I moved it later to the other
room, then back to this room -- long story of the whys that I won't go
into now.

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 01:59:20PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Peter Kaminski said:
> > Aren't a couple of live people
> > talking in front of a house more inviting than a billboard?
>
> Once Tushar is up and running, I'm wondering if there's a way to post
> the last 3 messages to the website, or something like that.

That's what I have been saying, K&R3N! Except I said last
200, or something. Looks like a blog but is an archive! And
is reasonably "browsable". That's all!

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > This is a very nice cat, for someone who wants one. I wonder if
> > shelters come and get the cat...
>
> Perhaps. And then they will kill it.

They will definitely come get it if they know it's abandoned.  And they
will be kind to it.  And then they might indeed kill it.  There are far
more cats in shelters than there are cat-adopters visiting shelters.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> My hope is that working from home will keep me healthier... and a
> healthier me would be able to keep on working longer.

That sounds like a good plan.  I take it that your retirement is tied to
age?  Our system isn't (except that there is some kind of provision for
a shorter number of years in the system if you are of a certain age when
retiring -- but you don't get years added, as in your retirement income
would be very low if you had worked not many years in the system and
then retired upon hitting whatever the age is).  Our system is that
after twenty-five years you are eligible for full retirement, regardless
of age.  And our retirement-incentive package of last year, a one-time
thing, was technically not "early retirement" since it did not include
adding any years.  Only people who were already fully eligible for
retirement could say yes to it.  The idea, of course, was to make people
retire earlier than they were planning on, so in that sense it was
"early retirement."  But nobody could retire who wasn't already
eligible, and many of the people who took advantage of the bonus were
people who had already filled out the papers to retire at that time
anyway.  They were, quite naturally, elated at their unexpected
windfall.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I didn't look at today's paper yet, but I haven't heard anything
> > coherent about the economy from Bush at all. When is the State of the
> > Union address?
>
> State of the Union is the 21st or 27th (I forget). His big economic plan

Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
State of the Union speech?  I feel that way regardless of who is Pres.
Like what is going to be in it that will be truly informative?

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Tushar Samant writes,

>I would vastly prefer it to reading a self-consciously tended blog.

Blogs, of course, are by definition self-consciously tended, and I would
imagine that you would vastly not prefer them. :)

>And I think you underestimate the number of people like me.

Or you underestimate the number of people with taste as refined as yours. :)

>What blog software do you recommend I run? Or is it better hosted elsewhere?

I'd recommend Movable Type <http://www.movabletype.org/>, at least until
I've coded up a suitable alternative (which I'm doing for another
project).  You can run it, or let me know if you want it hosted somewhere else.

Pete

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Neal Traven wrote:

> Of course there's nothing even remotely like a credible threat and of course

That's the part I'm happy to hear.  I didn't know whether it was
remotely credible.  I did read what Alyce wrote and felt better, but I
kept thinking that "suicide poxers" were a real possibility.  (I don't
mean to suggest that I have been sitting around worrying about smallpox
from a personal standpoint -- as in getting it myself.  I'm too old to
worry much about getting wiped out personally.  But these things are
nevertheless general worries.)

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> > If you use too much, it gets all soapy and hard to wash up.  But it
works
> > wonders.   Takes out any stain at all.  I've never had it discolor
> > anything.  The woman at the furniture store even recommended it.
>
> It seems to have lightened one spot on the carpet. There's a
> mysterious small, red stain in my housemate's room, but hopefully it
> won't bother him. That didn't come out.
>
> Karen

There is one product that works better than any I've
tried for stubborn spots.  I have used it for years to
remove spots in rental properties and my own home.
Buy it in a carpet store.  It's called Tech.  It is not
"soapy".  For me, it has taken out just about anything.

                              - D. M.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> up some thick yellow gunk. I take this as a good thing, because I know
> there is stuff down there and I have been unable to cough up anything at
> all. It is not good that it is yellow, however. So a 50-50 thing. I am

Why is it not good that it's yellow?  What color would be better?

> about to call the doctor to report this development, just so he knows. I
> don't expect any more medicine, and with the snow, I wouldn't be able to
> get it until tomorrow anyway. We are to have 8-12" again, they say. I

I am glad that you're calling (or have called by now) the doctor to
report on it.

> think we have over an inch right now. Unlike Xmas day, there is not a
> howling wind (yet), and the snow is thick and gentle. It is to be
> picking up steam with the worst from 6-midnight, tapering off Sat.
> morning. Sigh.

I bet your yard is pretty in the snow.  (Trying to think of a silver
lining here, although it's true that I bet it's pretty.)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> > > and they are flung all over my patio.
> > Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...
>
> Canned.

Canned or cartoned?  I've never heard of canned oysters, which makes me
think you're talking about the typical little plastic containers.  What
was the experiment?  (Non-cook thought I am, I do do oysters at times,
in various ways.)  And I'm suddenly laughing in remembering the day in a
departmental meeting when we had been talking about several possible
options re whatever and a colleague said, "Well, I think we should just
do number two."  She meant the second option of the ones mentioned, but
the nature of whatever it was we were talking about was such that "doing
number two" raised great hilarity in the room.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> O Canada
> My future home and land
> Bush and his buds
> Are more than I can stand

This is a serious question:  Why is it that the majority of people I
know in every facet of my life (which means not many facets, of course)
are anti-Bush (and note that I said majority -- I realize there are
pro-Bush Wordslers, and I consider Wordslers a very important facet of
my life) -- this sentence is getting too long -- starting over.  Why is
it that the majority of people I know in my life are anti-Bush, yet his
national approval ratings are quite high?  Who are all these people who
think he's great?  Why do I know so few of them?  Am I mutant for not
knowing many of them?

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> Recent acquisitions:

My most recent music acquisitions have been:

A new copy of the Patsy Cline box set

and

The Ring cycle, performed by the NY Met with James Levine conducting (got it
on CD as well as newly remastered into Dolby 5.1 DVD)

and

Hammered dulcimer discs by Alisa Jones (daughter of Grampa Jones) from
http://www.greenhillmusic.com.

Dolly Parton's "Halos and Horns" and Trisha Yearwood's "Songbook: A
Collection Of Hits" should be arriving this week from Amazon. I borrowed
"Halos and Horns" from a coworker and loved it much more than her previous
two albums.

One good place I go to read about music I don't know about is The War
Against Silence, which is some guy reviewing CDs. I first found his site
looking for Nields album reviews, and what got me hooked was his assertion
that on "Snowman", Nerissa sounds like she's auditioning for Heart.

http://www.furia.com/twas/index.html

*sigh* All this reminds me that once again I am out of CD storage.

--Adam

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800,850
Lexographer


        - D. M.

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At 06:14 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, bonnie wrote:

>   He force feeds me strange food and makes me shovel all the snow.

It all hearkens back to the days when I made "training table" meals to
support her competitive rowing habit.

cwv

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I came home from the grocery store this evening, and who was waiting
for me on the driveway next door but my kitty! Evidently she found a
way out.

Karen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> But even if it did end up fracturing the community, I can't see that as a
> bad thing, either -- what's wrong with progression?

Somehow this <wounds my heart>.  I love that Words-L has added new
meebers through the years.  And even though I've been sad to see some
people leave, I think that's how life is.  Iow, I'm in no way saying
that I would prefer for it to be precisely the Words-L of '89.  But the
idea of its turning into something totally different bothers me
greatly.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
    Old Fart, Traditionalist, Resistant to Major Change

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> The Strokes: Is This It - I was left asking myself that after I
> listened to it
> The White Stripes: White Blood Cells - my current favorite band, Jack
> White's guitar playing is terrific

Wow, Anne, I didn't think you'd be so mainstream.

I forgot to mention in my previous post that I love "Home" by the Dixie
Chicks and that I find Elvis's 30 #1 hits supremely boring but for a few
tracks.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.colm

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Tushar Samant said:
> K*R*N, that's why I suggested archives in a more web-browser-accessible
> format than a concatenated file on ftp.

UGA archives aren't a concatenated file on ftp.

Karen

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At 07:02 PM 1/3/2003 -0600, d.m. wrote:
>800,850
>Lexographer

Very good---are you sure it's not Lexographer 1st class?

cwv

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 01:59:20PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Peter Kaminski said:
> > > Aren't a couple of live people
> > > talking in front of a house more inviting than a billboard?
> >
> > Once Tushar is up and running, I'm wondering if there's a way to post
> > the last 3 messages to the website, or something like that.
>
> That's what I have been saying, K&R3N! Except I said last
> 200, or something. Looks like a blog but is an archive! And
> is reasonably "browsable". That's all!

I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
> State of the Union speech?

Yes.

But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't wait!

Karen

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!

Especially since the last 200 would only be maybe a 4-hour slice.

Ann

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Doris Markland said:
> Buy it in a carpet store.  It's called Tech.  It is not
> "soapy".  For me, it has taken out just about anything.

Carpet store. Okay. (I'm not sure where a carpet store is, but I can
find out.)

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         No, you're talking about two different things -- the
> terminology "district" is also used when you talk about
> things like what neighborhood elementary school district
> your property falls in (ours were reorganized last year,
> putting Ana in an undesirable school as opposed to the
> desirable one we were under the impression Ana would go to
> when we bought the house, which is why she goes to a private
> school right now).  In this case, "district" means something
> geographical, while a School District is more of an economic
> entity -- I'm an employee of the Webster Groves School
> District, not Webster Groves High School.

Maybe the term was used both ways back in my younger days, but I just
didn't have any reason to know about it in relation to a whole system.
I always heard "The Jackson Public Schools," not "The Jackson Public
School District."

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> At 07:02 PM 1/3/2003 -0600, d.m. wrote:
> >800,850
> >Lexographer
>
> Very good---are you sure it's not Lexographer 1st class?
>
> cwv

The titles they throw out are crazy.
There is no logical progression.

         - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> > > > and they are flung all over my patio.
> > > Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...
> >
> > Canned.
>
> Canned or cartoned?  I've never heard of canned oysters, which makes me
> think you're talking about the typical little plastic containers.

Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.

> What was the experiment?

Seeing if the cat would eat the oysters.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>But the idea of its turning into something totally different bothers me
>greatly.

I don't think it will.

Pete

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> the huge state deficit Romney is inheriting.

That's not quite right, I think. With all the budget cuts that Governor
Swift made, she actually left close to a balanced budget. There's now a
$1.30 tax per non-Medicaid or MassHealth prescription. Can you believe that?
There's also a new $3000/year nursing home bed tax. It's simply amazing.

Governor Romney is projecting a $3 billion dollar shortfall for the next
fiscal year. Yet the Big Dig goes on, and in fact is almost done.

--Adam
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Karen Kay wrote:

> But to some people, how it's arrayed matters more than vigor. cf
> Natalie's comment on not finding the list boring.

I thank you for believing me!  As I said earlier, I can understand if
others have other views of the list, but it really bothered me that
Rashmi seemed to suggest that I was just pretending that I don't find it
boring.  I really don't.  I find it like -- what was it Anne Diffily
said re the Blue Moon Saloon?  That's still in the ftp archives.  I
haven't read it in ages, but my memory is that what she said was sort of
like what Bonnie said recently about Adam's living room.

I think all of us have plenty of other sources, both online and ftf, for
<intellectual> discussions of whatever we're into.  (I certainly don't
mean to suggest that Words-L should therefore *not* have such
discussions.  I simply mean that it's not to me the most important
function of Words-L in my life.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Can anyone tell
> me what kind of consistency they [chestnuts] are supposed to have when you
bite into
> them?

Kind of soft and cheesy, IIRC.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:56:24 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>Natalie Maynor said:
>> Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
>> State of the Union speech?
>
>Yes.
>
>But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't wait!
>
>Karen

In what sense can you <not wait>?

Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?

Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the economic
situation?

Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
states find themselves?

Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?

Or is there still another reason for impatience here?

neal

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> >But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't
wait!
> >
> >Karen
>
> In what sense can you <not wait>?
>
> Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?
>
> Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the
economic
> situation?
>
> Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
> states find themselves?
>
> Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
>
> Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
>
> neal


Neal, run and get yourself a Kleenex, quick.

                       - D. M.

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> But even if it did end up fracturing the community, I can't see that as a
> bad thing, either -- what's wrong with progression?

I don't think that would be a progression.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>>   He force feeds me strange food and makes me shovel all the snow.
>
>It all hearkens back to the days when I made "training table" meals to
>support her competitive rowing habit.
>cwv

"Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.  Nobody knows, but Jesus."


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland said:
> > >But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't
> wait!
> > >
> > >Karen
> >
> > In what sense can you <not wait>?
> >
> > Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?
> >
> > Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the
> economic
> > situation?
> >
> > Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
> > states find themselves?
> >
> > Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
> >
> > Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
> >
> > neal
>
>
> Neal, run and get yourself a Kleenex, quick.

?

Karen

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Neal Traven said:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:56:24 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
> >Natalie Maynor said:
> >> Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
> >> State of the Union speech?
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't wait!
> >
> >Karen
>
> In what sense can you <not wait>?
>
> Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?
>
> Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the economic
> situation?
>
> Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
> states find themselves?
>
> Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
>
> Or is there still another reason for impatience here?

Clue: I was being sarcastic.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > But even if it did end up fracturing the community, I can't see that as a
> > bad thing, either -- what's wrong with progression?
>
> I don't think that would be a progression.

Thank you. I was going to say that this word usage bothered me more
than anything that could possibly happen to Words-L.

Karen

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Subject: Re:      Re: 10,000 steps
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----- Original Message -----
From: "bonniev" <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
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> >>   He force feeds me strange food and makes me shovel all the snow.
> >
> >It all hearkens back to the days when I made "training table" meals
to
> >support her competitive rowing habit.
> >cwv
>
> "Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.  Nobody knows, but Jesus."
>
>
>     --bonniev

Amen, sister.

    - D. M.

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> Country Curtains has a sucky web page.

You're not kidding. My mom made me order something from there because she
couldn't figure it out. It's a majorly sucky site IMHO.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>Amen, sister.
>     - D. M.

Thank you for that affirmation, sister.  I loved your "that damn game"
subject header.  It reminds me of the long story someone sent me about the
guy who moves from Tennessee to Maine and is so impressed by the first
snowfall.   He shovels his driveway and waves at the friendly snow plow
man.   Six storms later, he's cursing out the snow plow and the ridge it is
leaving at the end of his driveway.  I haven't got there yet with the
driveway or the game.


    --bonniev

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At 07:12 PM 1/3/2003 -0600, d.m. wrote:

>The titles they throw out are crazy.
>There is no logical progression.

That's what I have been wondering about.  I'm not sure that the titles
always correspond to the same level of points earned---although most of my
scores seem consistent, i.e., follow a progression.

cwv

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        I just got a catalog from them today.  I've never heard of
them before.  They're spying on us!

Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>Country Curtains has a sucky web page.
>>
>
> You're not kidding. My mom made me order something from there because she
> couldn't figure it out. It's a majorly sucky site IMHO.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev wrote:

>   The colder the temps, the lighter the
> snow.

How weird.  Just as I started replying to Bonniemae, my Friday-night
Norton started doing its thing, which, as I've said before, always makes
me think of Bonniemae.

Anyway, the above about temps and snow started a brainworm that's
driving me crazy.  "Too cold to snow?"  Then an explanation of why it
can be too cold to snow.  I can't remember what it's from except that it
had something to do with freshman comp.  I think I had a sample
paragraph that was supposed to illustrate something that was about its
being too cold to snow and that I used it many semesters back when I
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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> How old is the list?

Birthdate:  October 26, 1989.

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>         I just got a catalog from them [Country Curtains] today.  I've
never heard of
> them before.  They're spying on us!

They're Project CC!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I read the archives at work sometimes during my lunch break.
>   I wonder if they've been fixed?

I meant to check today.  Campus offices opened yesterday, but everything
still seems super quiet.  (Classes start Monday.)  I will march upon
FWP's door, which I haven't done in eons now, if they aren't fixed.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I blogged an expansion of this thought.  I also invited readers over...

Although I don't really know who reads blogs or what might result from
your invitation, I do think you did a good job of describing the list.

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At 09:47 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, BrP and espen asked:

> >
> > >Lisa and Dan, out in Poulsbo, are going to a Sons of Norway New Year's
> > >celebration, complete with, as Lisa explained it, "some kind of beef
> > >dinner, drinks, and dancing."  Shades of Garrison Keilor.  I will be
> > >interested to hear her reaction.
> >
> > Vot - no lutefisk?
> >
> > Espen
>
>and no marzipan pig?

Lisa wrote back today.  No, neither of these.  The dinner was roast beef,
boiled potatoes, and carrots---as she said "typical midwestern food."  My
guess is that her memories of the midwest aren't all that great.

cwv

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:17:26 -0500
From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:39:46 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>Neal Traven said:
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:56:24 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>
>> >Natalie Maynor said:
>> >> Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
>> >> State of the Union speech?
>> >
>> >Yes.
>> >
>> >But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't wait!
>> >
>> >Karen
>>
>> In what sense can you <not wait>?
>>
>> Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?
>>
>> Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the economic
>> situation?
>>
>> Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
>> states find themselves?
>>
>> Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
>>
>> Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
>
>Clue: I was being sarcastic.
>
>Karen

Oh good, I was getting a bit worried.

I haven't been here a lot, as you know, but I've heard tales that some
wordslers have, at times, taken leave of their senses since */**.  Things
like known proclivities taken to extremes...

neal

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Natalie Maynor said:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> >   The colder the temps, the lighter the
> > snow.
>
> How weird.  Just as I started replying to Bonniemae, my Friday-night
> Norton started doing its thing, which, as I've said before, always makes
> me think of Bonniemae.
>
> Anyway, the above about temps and snow started a brainworm that's
> driving me crazy.  "Too cold to snow?"  Then an explanation of why it
> can be too cold to snow.  I can't remember what it's from except that it
> had something to do with freshman comp.  I think I had a sample
> paragraph that was supposed to illustrate something that was about its
> being too cold to snow and that I used it many semesters back when I
> taught freshman comp.

I thought Bonnie was talking about dry vs. wet snow. But yes, it does
get too cold to snow. I forget when, and hope never to need that
information.

Karen

Beringer white Merlot sucks!

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At 06:05 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>I thought Bonnie was talking about dry vs. wet snow. But yes, it does
>get too cold to snow. I forget when, and hope never to need that
>information.

Bonnie was.  As for the "too cold,"  most really cold weather is associated
with high pressure areas and clear skies.

cwv

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bonniev wrote:
>
> Country Curtains has a sucky web page.  But here is a nice Renaissance
> Valence that would work in Natalie's house:
>
> http://www.countrycurtainscatalog.com/p/fullpage.php?page=007&session=1103619

That wouldn't work at all in the room I'm talking about.  I'm not sure
it would work anywhere in my house.  But I think Country Curtains is one
of the catalogues I get.

> Country Curtains, physically located in the Red Lion Inn near List Honey
> and where Betty and I stayed one night after SnowBash, also has a variety
> of nice, but expensive, bedspreads.

Hmm.  Maybe I don't get Country Curtains.  It sounds like a bunch of
catalogues that I do get.  The Vermont Country Store, etc. etc.

But I do appreciate your thought on this.  It's just that this room
isn't the kind to have something so <fussy> in it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> > >
> > > Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which
the
> > > states find themselves?
> > >
> > > Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
> > >
> > > Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
> > >
> > > neal
> >
> >
> > Neal, run and get yourself a Kleenex, quick.
>
> ?
>
> Karen

He's being snotty.

        - D. M.

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Neal Traven wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:39:46 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
>
>>Neal Traven said:
>>
>>>On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:56:24 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Natalie Maynor said:
>>>>
>>>>>Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
>>>>>State of the Union speech?
>>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't wait!
>>>>
>>>>Karen
>>>>
>>>In what sense can you <not wait>?
>>>
>>>Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?
>>>
>>>Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the economic
>>>situation?
>>>
>>>Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
>>>states find themselves?
>>>
>>>Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
>>>
>>>Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
>>>
>>Clue: I was being sarcastic.
>>
>>Karen
>>
>
> Oh good, I was getting a bit worried.
>
> I haven't been here a lot, as you know, but I've heard tales that some
> wordslers have, at times, taken leave of their senses since */**.  Things
> like known proclivities taken to extremes...


        Oh, it's a perpetual horror show.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Canned or cartoned?  I've never heard of canned oysters, which makes me
> > think you're talking about the typical little plastic containers.
>
> Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.

Didn't I say a while back that I would start pointing out examples of
what I consider snide responses?  This is one.  The "whether you've
heard of them or not" is imho snide.  A simple "they were canned" would
be a clear answer that wasn't snide.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 06:05 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> >I thought Bonnie was talking about dry vs. wet snow. But yes, it does
> >get too cold to snow. I forget when, and hope never to need that
> >information.
>
> Bonnie was.  As for the "too cold,"  most really cold weather is associated
> with high pressure areas and clear skies.

Yes--I may have mentioned that the first thing I said to my sister on
the way to her house was that I wish the sky was clear (because where
she lives doesn't have much light pollution), and she reminded me of
the consequences, so I took back my wish.

Karen

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Doris Markland said:
> > > >
> > > > Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which
> the
> > > > states find themselves?
> > > >
> > > > Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
> > > >
> > > > Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
> > > >
> > > > neal
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal, run and get yourself a Kleenex, quick.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Karen
>
> He's being snotty.

Not really.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Neal Traven wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:39:46 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Neal Traven said:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:56:24 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Natalie Maynor said:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
> >>>>>State of the Union speech?
> >>>>>
> >>>>Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>>But Bush's economy speech is supposed to be next Tuesday. I can't wait!
> >>>>
> >>>>Karen
> >>>>
> >>>In what sense can you <not wait>?
> >>>
> >>>Because you're so enthused at the prospect if his brilliant solution?
> >>>
> >>>Because you want him to wrap himself in the flag and ignore the economic
> >>>situation?
> >>>
> >>>Because you anticipate that he'll notice the dire straits in which the
> >>>states find themselves?
> >>>
> >>>Because you're looking forward to tax cuts for the wealthiest?
> >>>
> >>>Or is there still another reason for impatience here?
> >>>
> >>Clue: I was being sarcastic.
> >>
> >>Karen
> >>
> >
> > Oh good, I was getting a bit worried.
> >
> > I haven't been here a lot, as you know, but I've heard tales that some
> > wordslers have, at times, taken leave of their senses since */**.  Things
> > like known proclivities taken to extremes...
>
>
>         Oh, it's a perpetual horror show.

In Russian!

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > Canned or cartoned?  I've never heard of canned oysters, which makes me
> > > think you're talking about the typical little plastic containers.
> >
> > Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.
>
> Didn't I say a while back that I would start pointing out examples of
> what I consider snide responses?  This is one.  The "whether you've
> heard of them or not" is imho snide.  A simple "they were canned" would
> be a clear answer that wasn't snide.

I already said they were canned; that's what led to your statement
that you never heard of canned oysters.

AHD defines snide as "Derogatory in a malicious, superior way." I
guess you can take it that way if you want to, but that's not how I
meant it. What's derogatory or malicious or superior about my comment?

I meant to be literal, not snide.

Karen

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Adam:

>One good place I go to read about music I don't know about is The War
>Against Silence, which is some guy reviewing CDs. I first found his site
>looking for Nields album reviews, and what got me hooked was his assertion
>that on "Snowman", Nerissa sounds like she's auditioning for Heart.
>
>http://www.furia.com/twas/index.html

Thanks, I'll check this out. I like the Nields (and Patsy) but don't care
much for Trisha, Dixie Chicks and the others you mentioned. I still
listen to the Patsy Cline tape you made for me years ago.

>*sigh* All this reminds me that once again I am out of CD storage.

Jeeze, not again! Is there room in the apartment for another CD rack?

Time to weed out the collection, Adam!

-rashmi


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P.S. The cat came back and ate some more food and is fast asleep on my
patio.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I just got a catalog from them today.  I've never heard of
> them before.  They're spying on us!

And this reminds me of something I've been meaning to mention for
several weeks.  Maybe it's just that I didn't notice before how much dvd
spam I was getting.  (I don't read spam but see the headers.)  Anyway,
remember the day after Tgiving when I bought the Wmart dvd player, which
we discussed here?  Shortly thereafter, I noticed tons of dvd-related
spam.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > > Neal, run and get yourself a Kleenex, quick.
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> > He's being snotty.
>
> Not really.

Another reason for kleenex can be tears, of course.

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I'm looking for newish science/tech recommendations - anyone read
anything good recently? The local Borders had the usual suspects -
I'm looking for something more current than Stephen jay Gould,
Dawkins, Timothy Ferris ... There was a bio of Linnaeus that looked
interesting. There seemed to be plenty of new titles in the How-to and
Business categories but I'm looking for something with more meat.
I scanned thro' the new Steven Pinker (Blank Slate) but it didn't grip
me.

I thought Pete mentioned something a while ago but couldn't
spot it on the shelves

TIA,
-rashmi, looking for a geek fix

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Natalie:

>Is it bad of me that I really don't care about watching/hearing the
>State of the Union speech?  I feel that way regardless of who is Pres.
>Like what is going to be in it that will be truly informative?

Me too. Is there anything more canned? Waste of 3+ hours.
I never watch it.

-rashmi

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> Thanks, I'll check this out. I like the Nields (and Patsy) but don't care
> much for Trisha, Dixie Chicks and the others you mentioned. I still
> listen to the Patsy Cline tape you made for me years ago.

:) Patsy's a genre-buster and timeless.

Oh!

I forgot to mention Gandalf Murphy and the Slambovian Circus of Dreams. Good
stuff. http://www.slambovia.com, based near Alyce.

> Jeeze, not again! Is there room in the apartment for another CD rack?

No, there isn't. I could put some of my old ones back on the ledge, I
suppose. Blick.

What I should do is box up the VHS tapes I never watch and put CDs in their
place.

Do you use that rack I gave you?

> Time to weed out the collection, Adam!

Heresy!

--Adam

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Canned or cartoned?  I've never heard of canned oysters, which makes me
> > > > think you're talking about the typical little plastic containers.
> > >
> > > Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.
> >
> > Didn't I say a while back that I would start pointing out examples of
> > what I consider snide responses?  This is one.  The "whether you've
> > heard of them or not" is imho snide.  A simple "they were canned" would
> > be a clear answer that wasn't snide.
>
> I already said they were canned; that's what led to your statement
> that you never heard of canned oysters.

Correct.  So an appropriate reply imho would have been "they were
canned" -- or to be totally clear, "No, I didn't mean the plastic
containers;  I really meant canned."

> AHD defines snide as "Derogatory in a malicious, superior way." I
> guess you can take it that way if you want to, but that's not how I
> meant it. What's derogatory or malicious or superior about my comment?

The "whether you've heard of them or not."

> I meant to be literal, not snide.

"They were canned" is quite literal.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> remember the day after Tgiving when I bought the Wmart dvd player, which
> we discussed here?  Shortly thereafter, I noticed tons of dvd-related
> spam.

But something just struck me.  I get almost all of my spam at my Ra
address, not at this address.  I get almost no spam at all at this
address.  So I'm now concluding that the dvd spam was coincidence.

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 16:55, Karen Kay wrote:

> I think the last 200 would put anyone off.

I think the last three would put anyone off. One of the three would
inevitably be "uh huh" and another would be "uh huh what?"


    mem

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Good description of the list. Wonder what kind of response it'll get.

-rashmi

From: Peter Kaminski <kaminski@ISTORI.COM>

>
>>A blog just isn't a place for discussion the way the list is.
>
>I blogged an expansion of this thought.  I also invited readers over...
>
>Posted at <http://www.istori.com/log/>:
>
>A social list I'm on is discussing how to find and invite a few new
>interesting folks to the list. One of the proposals is to create a blog
>where some of the more engaging posts can go, so people on the web can find
>us better via searches or RSS. A concomitant worry amongst the folks who
>haven't had experience with blogs is that the existence of the blog might
>splinter the group and its discussions into the blog group and the list
>group, and end up dissipating the group entirely.
>
>In trying to describe that a blog isn't really the same kind of discussion
>space as a list, I hit upon an analogy: our list is like a house, where the
>list lives. (And in the case of this particular list, it acts very much
>like a family, with all the large and small details of life and living, and
>all the bickering and love that a family has.) Blogs are like front
>porches. As people amble by on the sidewalk, they find an interesting
>person or three on the front porch swing. They might follow a bit of the
>discussion, and be moved to say hello. Or they might amble on, and when
>they get home to their porch, talk about how they saw so-and-so talking
>over on Elm Street about such-and-such.
>
>Houses which don't have front porches and people on them? Nobody knows
>what's going on inside them (cf. my earlier "you're just a lurker" post).
>
>Does it have to be a front porch? How about if we just have a home page for
>the list, instead of a blog? That's a start -- but a static home page is
>more like a billboard than a front porch. Aren't a couple of live people
>talking in front of a house more inviting than a billboard?
>
>And the family's life and living -- where does that happen? Well, the
>family spends some of its time on the porch -- but the real living, and all
>the juicy discussions -- they go on inside. So I don't worry that having a
>blog, or a front porch, will cause the family to disband.
>
>----
>
>By the way, you're welcome to visit our list, while we figure out whether
>to add that front porch or not. It's not very big -- around 100 people --
>but most subscribers are active. It's nominally about the English language,
>and that's a common interest of many of the subscribers -- but it's not the
>main topic.
>
>Some other things we like: gossip, regionalisms and geography. We're on the
>older side -- average age is probably around 50. That predicts more than
>we'd like (as part of the discussion of how to describe the list, I offered
>"a cranky gang of old farts," and got a chorus of "tell it like it is!"
>responses instead of disagreements :-), but less than you'd think.
>
>The place is a "bog of self-reference," mainly from being around forever
>(since late '89). Listen for a while, or ask. And last but not least, it's
>high-volume, 100-200 messages per day. Start by deleting a lot. :-)
>If it still sounds interesting, you can subscribe on the Words-L Listserv
>page. There is also an alternate Words-L web site.
>
>Pete


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On 3 Jan 2003 at 16:51, Karen Kay wrote:

> I came home from the grocery store this evening, and who was waiting
> for me on the driveway next door but my kitty! Evidently she found a
> way out.

It's time the cat had a name.

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bonniev:

>Romney, the new governor of Massachusetts, along with his lieutenant
>governor, are going to give up their salaries for four years.  That's
>$255,000 a year that they hope will go to much needed salary raises for
>their aides.

Color me unimpressed. It's all symbolism and drop in the bucket to
be of any significance. The real tough choices/changes are systemic.

-rashmi


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Jim has a recommendation for you, Rashmi:  Kip Thorne's Black holes and
Time Warps: Einstein's Outrageous Legacy.  It's a really, really nice book
discussing general relativity and it's implications.  Science for the
public type book by one of the world's most knowledgable general
relativist and a genuinely kind person.

 Sharon

On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> I'm looking for newish science/tech recommendations - anyone read
> anything good recently? The local Borders had the usual suspects -
> I'm looking for something more current than Stephen jay Gould,
> Dawkins, Timothy Ferris ... There was a bio of Linnaeus that looked
> interesting. There seemed to be plenty of new titles in the How-to and
> Business categories but I'm looking for something with more meat.
> I scanned thro' the new Steven Pinker (Blank Slate) but it didn't grip
> me.
>
> I thought Pete mentioned something a while ago but couldn't
> spot it on the shelves
>
> TIA,
> -rashmi, looking for a geek fix
>
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > Canned or cartoned?  I've never heard of canned oysters, which makes me
> > > > > think you're talking about the typical little plastic containers.
> > > >
> > > > Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.
> > >
> > > Didn't I say a while back that I would start pointing out examples of
> > > what I consider snide responses?  This is one.  The "whether you've
> > > heard of them or not" is imho snide.  A simple "they were canned" would
> > > be a clear answer that wasn't snide.
> >
> > I already said they were canned; that's what led to your statement
> > that you never heard of canned oysters.
>
> Correct.  So an appropriate reply imho would have been "they were
> canned" -- or to be totally clear, "No, I didn't mean the plastic
> containers;  I really meant canned."
>
> > AHD defines snide as "Derogatory in a malicious, superior way." I
> > guess you can take it that way if you want to, but that's not how I
> > meant it. What's derogatory or malicious or superior about my comment?
>
> The "whether you've heard of them or not."

In your opinion. There are other interpretations.

> > I meant to be literal, not snide.
>
> "They were canned" is quite literal.

So is what I said.

You perceive snide where there is none, Natalie. Sort of like the
wicked fleeing where none pursueth.

Karen

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Adam:

>Do you use that rack I gave you?

Sadly, it didn't survive the move.

> > Time to weed out the collection, Adam!
>
>Heresy!

You'll cherish the remaining <chosen> CDs even more.

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 3 Jan 2003 at 16:55, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I think the last 200 would put anyone off.
>
> I think the last three would put anyone off. One of the three would
> inevitably be "uh huh" and another would be "uh huh what?"

You think?

Karen

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> It's time the cat had a name.

Why? So it will answer to it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Karen

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:14, Karen Kay wrote:

> You think?

UH huh.

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Thanks, Sharon (and Jim). This sounds like the kind of thing I'm after.

-rashmi



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> Color me unimpressed. It's all symbolism and drop in the bucket to
> be of any significance. The real tough choices/changes are systemic.
>
> -rashmi

Yep. See my post about the nursing-home bed tax and the prescription tax. I
still haven't found out how they were able to freeze the voter-mandated
income tax rate rollback from the "temporary" rate that lasted for years
longer than it was supposed to.

--Adam

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> >Do you use that rack I gave you?
>
> Sadly, it didn't survive the move.

I can't say I'm disappointed. I hated the damn thing and was so happy to
give it away! :D

> You'll cherish the remaining <chosen> CDs even more.

Never! Bless your heart.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:14, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > You think?
>
> UH huh.

:)

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > >Do you use that rack I gave you?
> >
> > Sadly, it didn't survive the move.
>
> I can't say I'm disappointed. I hated the damn thing and was so happy to
> give it away! :D
>
> > You'll cherish the remaining <chosen> CDs even more.
>
> Never! Bless your heart.

You're going to have to buy a house just to store your CDs...

Karen

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:20, Karen Kay wrote:

> Why? So it will answer to it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

So that your conversations with it can be polite and civilized.


    mem

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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>I'm looking for newish science/tech recommendations

How about the books mentioned in <http://news.com.com/2009-1122-978596.html>?

In order of accessibility: Smart Mobs, Nexus, Linked (unless I've mixed up
N & L), Small Worlds.  The last is pretty technical/math-ey.

The koan version of network rules is Kevin Kelly's New Rules
<http://www.kk.org/newrules/>.

My friend Austin blogger friend Adina <http://levin.blogspot.com/> has some
cool books in her "Books to Read Next" list.

Pete

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:20, Karen Kay wrote:

> Why? So it will answer to it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

And there is, of course, the standard treatise to consider:


THE NAMING OF CATS

By, T.S. Eliot



The Naming of Cats is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games;
You may think at first I'm as mad as a hatter
When I tell you, a cat must have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES.


First of all, there's the name that the family use daily,
Such as Peter, Augustus, Alonzo or James,
Such as Victor or Jonathan, George or Bill Bailey--
All of them sensible everyday names.


There are fancier names if you think they sound sweeter,
Some for the gentlemen, some for the dames:
Such as Plato, Admetus, Electra, Demeter--
But all of them sensible everyday names.


But I tell you, a cat needs a name that's particular,
A name that's peculiar, and more dignified,
Else how can he keep up his tail perpendicular,
Or spread out his whiskers, or cherish his pride?


Of names of this kind, I can give you a quorum,
Such as Munkustrap, Quaxo, or Coricopat,
Such as Bombalurina, or else Jellylorum-
Names that never belong to more than one cat.


But above and beyond there's still one name left over,
And that is the name that you never will guess;
The name that no human research can discover--
But THE CAT HIMSELF KNOWS, and will never confess.


When you notice a cat in profound meditation,
The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
Of the thought, of the thought,
of the thought of his name:
His ineffable effable Effanineffable
Deep and inscrutable singular Name.

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Rashmi Murthy writes,

>Good description of the list. Wonder what kind of response it'll get.

I've got some good readers, but not a lot.  There's a small chance the
front porch meme will get picked up and spread around blogspace a bit,
which would add some more readers.  I figure maybe one or two folks might
drop in to look.

Pete

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:20, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why? So it will answer to it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> So that your conversations with it can be polite and civilized.

They are polite and civilized. I say "So, want some more food?" And
the cat nods "Yes."

Karen

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET>
> On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:20, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Why? So it will answer to it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> So that your conversations with it can be polite and civilized.
>
>     mem

Calibrate on my Mike:  3... 2... 1... Mike.

;-)   'Alan

KK, did you calibrate?  Did you adjust the parameters!?  Come ON, girl!

Did you at least check out: http://humanclock.com/ ?

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> You're going to have to buy a house just to store your CDs...
>
> Karen

More space will be nice, especially storage space.

--Adam

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> And there is, of course, the standard treatise to consider:

Thank you!

> THE NAMING OF CATS
>
> By, T.S. Eliot

...
> Such as Bombalurina, or else Jellylorum-

These are tempting, indeed!

> When you notice a cat in profound meditation,
> The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
> His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
> Of the thought, of the thought,
> of the thought of his name:
> His ineffable effable Effanineffable
> Deep and inscrutable singular Name.

Amen.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Sending her to Webster Groves will essentially be a terrific
> benefit of my employment ... and my salary and benefit
> package are not very good compared to other local districts,
> so every little bit helps.

Does she have to wait for high school?

> Which goes to prove that money
> isn't what attracts really fine teachers, because I work
> with some dynamite people.

I'm reading some stuff on the topic of fulfilling work by Mihaly
Csikszentmihalyi. I got a bunch from the library, and the one I'm in
currently is "Beyond Boredom and Anxiety". This is towards the
beginning of his writing about this topic, and he talks aobut how he
got into this topic (through looking at play--he went from there to
surgeons).

Anyway, my roundabout point is that for many people, a feeling of
autotelic satisfaction is more important that salary and benefits.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > You're going to have to buy a house just to store your CDs...
> >
> > Karen
>
> More space will be nice, especially storage space.

Did we talk about spiders here? The average house has over 2000
spiders. More space is nice, especially storage space, but it all has
to be cleaned regularly. Also, rotting potatoes doesn't help
anything...

Karen

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It's party time!  We should do one of these every month.  Non Bay Area
Wordslers are invited, too.

Myles said:

We will convene at the Third Street Aleworks, a
lively brewery-hamburger joint at 610 3rd Street in downtown
Santa Rosa, sort of reminiscent of that Jupiter brewery in
Berkeley. Very easy to get to right off 101, and there's
a municipal parking garage across the street. It's open on
Sundays, they can seat 10 or 12 people, there's a pool
table on the 2nd level, it's not pricey. What more can you
ask? Let's meet there at 2 p.m. on Sunday, Jan. 19.
Directions: When you get to Santa Rosa on 101, take the
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Happy New Year everyone.

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First response: "Pete - I didn't know that you were a wordsler, or even
that Words-L was even still alive. Say hi to polygon for me if he's still
there.  -- Edward Vielmetti"

Ed's a friend and colleague. :)

Pete

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Lisa's crew flew back to Atlanta last night.  The check-in at KCI was eventful.

First as they checked in their luggage, it was noted that the white
wipes swabbed over each bag picked up a suspicious substance.  Each
suitcase was opened. re-wiped and searched.  The checkers concluded that
some household cleaning chemical at my house had been picked up while
being stored in a closet... interesting since NO chemicals were used
while the kids were here.

After the bags were searched, the crew moved on to the security check
point.  Rachel was the first one to walk through the sensors.  She set
them off.  Next went Zach.  He set them off.... as did Lisa and Michael.
  The whole family was taken aside for individual wanding.

Lisa had to lift her shirt because the underwires in her bra set off the
alarm.  She also had to expose her rear so they could check out the
zipper of her skirt.   Michael had to unfasten his pants... unzip..
unsnap and fold open...

Rachel was a bit squirmy as they passed the wand over her whole body and
between her legs.  The zipper in her dress was the culprit.  Both Zach
and Rachel's shoes set off the buzzer. They had to be removed and sent
through the scanner.  As a precaution, they also scanned Lisa and
Michael's shoes.

The diaper bag was emptied and the lining examined because a "knife" was
seen on the screen.  Lisa had to give up her red plastic comb.

In time the suspicious little family was allowed to board the plane.
The left over buffalo wing pizza was not confiscated, so Michael could
enjoy the KC treat for lunch today.

Meanwhile out in the parking circle, I'm irritating the traffic patrol.
I'm taking too long to get back in the van and on my way.   In order to
help Lisa get the kids and stuff into the terminal, I stand by the car
to hold Rachel while the bags get hauled to the check in.  Even though
I'm standing by the car with the baby in my arms, I'm ordered to leave
"NOW".  I go through motion of putting baby back in the car seat and he
drives off.  When he returns on his next circle of the terminal, I'm
still there and just about to put myself in the car.  He motions for me
to hurry up. Since Lisa has rescued Rachel, I am ready to leave.

I had removed my Oxygen while holding Rachel.  I scurried in to the car
and took off without it.  I was so breathless that I pulled over just
before exiting the terminal to "hook up".  Boy did this tick traffic man
off. He's making a third round and I'm still not gone.  I'm at a
different spot, but the car is stopped by the curb.  He ordered me to
roll down my window and to leave immediately.  I told him that as soon
as my oxygen was reconnected I was gone.

They sure are keeping Kansas City secure.


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Peter Kaminski said:
> First response: "Pete - I didn't know that you were a wordsler, or even
> that Words-L was even still alive. Say hi to polygon for me if he's still
> there.  -- Edward Vielmetti"
>
> Ed's a friend and colleague. :)

I didn't realize he knew Larry. Damn this world is small!

Karen

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> They sure are keeping Kansas City secure.
>
>
> --
> Sylvia Edwards

I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.

                    - D. M.

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>  > They sure are keeping Kansas City secure.
>>
>>
>>  --
>  > Sylvia Edwards
>
>I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.

I just got a group e-mail from Midori: she checked her toys and
garments through, left the cases open as the airline demanded, and
arrived to find her possessions rifled through, and many stolen.

Janet

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Doris Markland said:
> I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.

Where are you going?

Karen

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Today being a slow day, I let myself start one more Bookworm game.
Wouldn't you know it, several bonus words lined themselves up early, always
a good start to a good score.  Three or four hours later, and...

I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my final
score.  You may all bow in awe.

I don't think there is any rank higher than Super Dictionarian.  If there
is, it would have to be at or above level 20 (I flamed out in the middle of
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Ken Miller
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Janet Hardy writes,

>I just got a group e-mail from Midori: she checked her toys and
>garments through, left the cases open as the airline demanded, and
>arrived to find her possessions rifled through, and many stolen.

Where was she flying to/from?

Pete

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Bookrat said:
> I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my final
> score.  You may all bow in awe.

<bow>

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> I just got a group e-mail from Midori: she checked her toys and
> garments through, left the cases open as the airline demanded, and
> arrived to find her possessions rifled through, and many stolen.

Does she have any recourse?

Karen

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Is snit the past tense of snide?

Karen

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On 3 Jan 2003 at 20:07, Karen Kay wrote:

> Thank you!

Think nothing of it, person in Austin.


    mem

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=
= >*sigh* All this reminds me that once again I am out of CD storage.
=
= Jeeze, not again! Is there room in the apartment for another CD rack?
=

How many CD's do you have, Adam?  We have a bookcase that we use
for  CD storage, and have no trouble fitting 400 CD's in there
with plenty of room to grow.    But I realize that 400 CD's is
really not all that many.

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At 11:42 PM 1/3/2003 -0600, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>Lisa's crew flew back to Atlanta last night.  The check-in at KCI was
>eventful.

What a fun day!  Looking forward to seeing more photos though.  I got to
visit my two year old nephew while in San Diego.  What a sweetheart.

Betty

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At 10:18 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>  > They sure are keeping Kansas City secure.
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>  > Sylvia Edwards
>>
>>I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.
>
>I just got a group e-mail from Midori: she checked her toys and
>garments through, left the cases open as the airline demanded, and
>arrived to find her possessions rifled through, and many stolen.

It's a kinky world out there! There will be more and more thefts of
valuables, too, as time goes on. Humans are so greedy. They should have
cameras for the inspections.  Will she file a claim?

Betty

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At 10:31 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
>Today being a slow day, I let myself start one more Bookworm game.
>Wouldn't you know it, several bonus words lined themselves up early, always
>a good start to a good score.  Three or four hours later, and...

Glad things are loosening up for you! Don't play that game any more.  Go
for a walk.

Betty

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= KK, did you calibrate?  Did you adjust the parameters!?  Come ON, girl!
=
= Did you at least check out: http://humanclock.com/ ?

I did.  I enjoyed it muchly.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.
....
> > > meant it. What's derogatory or malicious or superior about my comment?
> >
> > The "whether you've heard of them or not."
>
> In your opinion. There are other interpretations.

For example?

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Welcome back, BB.  If I had realized you'd be back this morning, I would
be drinking my coffee from my BI mug in your honor.  Instead, I'm
drinking from my Zabar's mug.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:37 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Welcome back, BB.  If I had realized you'd be back this morning, I would
>be drinking my coffee from my BI mug in your honor.  Instead, I'm
>drinking from my Zabar's mug.

Thanks.  I broke my New Orleans mug before we left so we must return.  My
BI mug is chipped.

How are you doing? What happened while I was away? Are you retired enough
this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be there!

Betty

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 12:12:13AM -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
= > They sure are keeping Kansas City secure.
= >
= >
= > --
= > Sylvia Edwards
=
= I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.
=
=                     - D. M.


A celebrity story:
http://pennandteller.com/sincity/penniphile/federalvip.html

Did I tell you guys, nothing happened to me at all while I was
flying around in November.

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Betty wrote:
> Thanks.  I broke my New Orleans mug before we left so we must return.  My
> BI mug is chipped.

You must be very hard on mugs.  Why do you abuse them so?

> How are you doing? What happened while I was away?

The wise and careful got their xmas trees down by Dec. 31.  Since I
never put one up, that was not a problem for me.  Alyce has weathered
some scary health/weather problems that are still scary but has great
neighbors.  What else have you missed?  Oh -- there's been debate about
how to bring new blood to Words-L.  And Adam needs more CD space.  And
Karen has adopted a cat but can't touch it and hasn't named it yet.
Espen cooked a turkey.  Were you here when Graham graced us briefly with
his presence and assessment?

> Are you retired enough
> this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be there!

Funny you should mention that.  When I saw your posting, I was thinking
about the fact that that's MLK weekend -- meaning that Monday is a
holiday.  I wonder what the NW cybersavers for that weekend will be...

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Doris Markland said:
> > I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.
>
> Where are you going?
>
> Karen

201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .

        - D. M.

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At 08:22 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Doris Markland said:
> > > I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.
> >
> > Where are you going?
> >
> > Karen
>
>201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .

Have a wonderful time! A whole month. I can't imagine.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Sending her to Webster Groves will essentially be a terrific
>>benefit of my employment ... and my salary and benefit
>>package are not very good compared to other local districts,
>>so every little bit helps.
>>
>
> Does she have to wait for high school?


        Oh, no.  I just didn't want to transfer her a) in the middle
of the year and b) until I know I'm going to be staying for
awhile.  If all goes as planned, I'll enroll her for
September and she'll go to Avery, which is a couple of
blocks from the high school, and is where the kids of most
of the other out-of-district teachers go.

        Somebody is interested in breeding to Vinnie according to
Cecily, so I'm checking out some of their girls.  It isn't
my decision, but I hope she is considering one who is a bit
more of an outcross -- Vinnie is pretty tightly linebred.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

>>        I just got a catalog from them [Country Curtains] today.  I've
>>
> never heard of
>
>>them before.  They're spying on us!
>>
>
> They're Project CC!


        Adam, you're in charge of weeding them out!



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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>what "universal remote" means.  I've seen that term.  Does it mean there
>are remotes you can buy somewhere like Wmart that would work with any
>tv?  Iow, could I simply go out to Wmart and buy a generic remote
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes.  Yes.


    --bonniev

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They've got the heavy duty equipment out this morning.   The huge, huge
plow just made a few passes of the neighborhood.  It has a giant front
blade and a giant side blade.  The driver sits up way high like on a John
Deere tractor.   The regular-sized sand truck followed the plow.  Just now
a police cruiser even went through.   And I saw a College of the Atlantic
student walk past with his back pack.  It's about a two mile walk to the
college.   We have ourselves a blizzard.  It's supposed to last all
day.  Don't know when we'll venture out to shovel the driveway or front walk.

    --bonniev

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At 03:05 AM 1/4/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>I'm looking for newish science/tech recommendations - anyone read
>anything good recently?

It's not particularly new, but you might check out Edward O.
Wilson's  'Consilience: The unity of knowledge.'  Vintage Press has a
paperback edition, ISBN 0-679-76867-x.

cwv

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 08:03:12AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= what "universal remote" means.  I've seen that term.  Does it mean there

The universal remote I have can be set up to work with almost
anything that has a remote: tv, vcr, stereo, cd player.
You'll probably find one at Walmart.  They come with a little
booklet and you have to look up the model number of your set in
it and then set up the remote to work.  There are also usually
some instructions of how to get it to work if your model is not
listed.  I've set one up to work with both a tv set and a vcr,
and I remember one was in the booklet and the other wasn't.  It
was a bit fiddly, but I got it eventually.  If you've got some
patience, it's an ok solution.  If you have no patience, you
might look if they have a direct replacement here:

http://www.replacementremotes.com

Also, I know we got our universal remote at the market, so I
think we probably payed less than $10 for it.

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At 10:31 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, ken wrote:

>I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my final
>score.  You may all bow in awe.

I <am> impressed.  I haven't gone higher than 1,548,000 and change.

>I don't think there is any rank higher than Super Dictionarian.  If there
>is, it would have to be at or above level 20 (I flamed out in the middle of
>level 19).

I haven't kept track of levels, but I agree that SD has a very broad
range---from about 880,000 to where you are now.  Perhaps in the next
edition (which they keep promising) they will invent a new title in your honor.

cwv

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>>Don't know when we'll venture out to shovel the driveway or front walk.
>
>Why bother?  You have enough supplies right? Wait for it to melt.
>Betty

I don't think we are supplied until March which is how long it will take to
melt!


    --bonniev

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At 10:05 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>Don't know when we'll venture out to shovel the driveway or front walk.
>>
>>Why bother?  You have enough supplies right? Wait for it to melt.
>>Betty
>
>I don't think we are supplied until March which is how long it will take to
>melt!

You have everything in the basement.  What would you run out of first?

Betty

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> Today being a slow day, I let myself start one more Bookworm game.
> Wouldn't you know it, several bonus words lined themselves up early,
always
> a good start to a good score.  Three or four hours later, and...
>
> I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my
final
> score.  You may all bow in awe.
>
> I don't think there is any rank higher than Super Dictionarian.  If
there
> is, it would have to be at or above level 20 (I flamed out in the
middle of
> level 19).
>
> Ken Miller

Wow!  I am so impressed!  I would bow in awe but
I'm afraid I'd spill my coffee.  You were really on a
roll.  That flameout at the end really brings you back
to earth though, doesn't it?  Gad, that is real.

                        - D. M.

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At 07:55 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > Thanks.  I broke my New Orleans mug before we left so we must return.  My
> > BI mug is chipped.
>
>You must be very hard on mugs.  Why do you abuse them so?

The New Orleans one went flying off the counter but I can't remember now
what I was doing. I think the dishwasher hurt the other one. I need to be
more gentle loading it.



> > How are you doing? What happened while I was away?
>
>The wise and careful got their xmas trees down by Dec. 31.  Since I
>never put one up, that was not a problem for me.  Alyce has weathered
>some scary health/weather problems that are still scary but has great
>neighbors.  What else have you missed?  Oh -- there's been debate about
>how to bring new blood to Words-L.  And Adam needs more CD space.  And
>Karen has adopted a cat but can't touch it and hasn't named it yet.
>Espen cooked a turkey.  Were you here when Graham graced us briefly with
>his presence and assessment?

No, I wasn't here but he is usually pretty predictable with his posts
whenever he chooses to grace us with his mighty presence. Was it a good
rant or the same old tired one?

Adam, do you still have old cassettes, too?  At least CDs are smaller.  I
have been listening to the Nield's with my new portable player. (Thanks,
again!)  I guess Josh Groban isn't your style? My daughter gave her
grandmother a copy for Christmas.

Espen, did you stuff the bird?

Alyce, what does your son want you to do?  I hope you are feeling better.

Karen, I hope you had a great trip and T-Bone's head is polished.  Good
luck in the New Year. Give the cat a dog's name.  A friend of mine named
her tiny dog "Kitty".

We took our tree down before we left because I did not want to come home to it.

I think I answered everything in reverse order.



> > Are you retired enough
> > this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be there!
>
>Funny you should mention that.  When I saw your posting, I was thinking
>about the fact that that's MLK weekend -- meaning that Monday is a
>holiday.  I wonder what the NW cybersavers for that weekend will be...


Check it out!  A giant wordsler is even  coming down from the
north.  Arrangements can be made.


Betty

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At 08:28 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Today being a slow day, I let myself start one more Bookworm game.
> > Wouldn't you know it, several bonus words lined themselves up early,
>always
> > a good start to a good score.  Three or four hours later, and...
> >
> > I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my
>final
> > score.  You may all bow in awe.
> >
> > I don't think there is any rank higher than Super Dictionarian.  If
>there
> > is, it would have to be at or above level 20 (I flamed out in the
>middle of
> > level 19).
> >
> > Ken Miller
>
>Wow!  I am so impressed!  I would bow in awe but
>I'm afraid I'd spill my coffee.  You were really on a
>roll.  That flameout at the end really brings you back
>to earth though, doesn't it?  Gad, that is real.

Gad?  It's been a long time since I heard that one.  Is your son still in
the country,Doris?

Betty

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>
> This is a serious question:  Why is it that the majority of people I
> know in every facet of my life (which means not many facets, of
course)
> are anti-Bush (and note that I said majority -- I realize there are
> pro-Bush Wordslers, and I consider Wordslers a very important facet of
> my life) -- this sentence is getting too long -- starting over.  Why
is
> it that the majority of people I know in my life are anti-Bush, yet
his
> national approval ratings are quite high?  Who are all these people
who
> think he's great?  Why do I know so few of them?  Am I mutant for not
> knowing many of them?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Have you not heard the old phrase "like attracts like"?

People who have common interests and who tend to
think alike find each other.  Birds of a feather flock
together.

                              - D. M.

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When a tv set that really needs a remote (because these days tv sets
have gotten so weird about not letting you do normal things conveniently
by buttons on their bodies) and the remote is lost,  what is the best
course of action?  Do you google for the brand/model and 'remote' on the
web and find a place that sells replacements?  I think I've asked before
(one of the many times my mother lost the remote but then it was found)
what "universal remote" means.  I've seen that term.  Does it mean there
are remotes you can buy somewhere like Wmart that would work with any
tv?  Iow, could I simply go out to Wmart and buy a generic remote
instead of googling for a place to buy the <proper> one for this tv?  I
might just ignore the whole problem since I'm pretty sure that a remote
won't be necessary to use the built-in vcr on this tv set, and that's
all I'll be doing with it since it won't pick up any tv except shadows
and ghosts since it is not on cable or dish.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:48 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>They've got the heavy duty equipment out this morning.   The huge, huge
>plow just made a few passes of the neighborhood.  It has a giant front
>blade and a giant side blade.  The driver sits up way high like on a John
>Deere tractor.   The regular-sized sand truck followed the plow.  Just now
>a police cruiser even went through.   And I saw a College of the Atlantic
>student walk past with his back pack.  It's about a two mile walk to the
>college.   We have ourselves a blizzard.  It's supposed to last all
>day.  Don't know when we'll venture out to shovel the driveway or front walk.

Why bother?  You have enough supplies right? Wait for it to melt.

Betty

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>You have everything in the basement.  What would you run out of first?
>Betty

human companionship?   the daily newspaper?   milk, fruit, juice, access to
health care


    --bonniev

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At 10:12 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>You have everything in the basement.  What would you run out of first?
>>Betty
>
>human companionship?   the daily newspaper?   milk, fruit, juice, access to
>health care

Clyde is not home?  You can read newspapers on line.  You better stock up
some powdered milk.  That is what we would run out of, too, that I would miss.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >  Were you here when Graham graced us briefly with
> >his presence and assessment?
>
> No, I wasn't here but he is usually pretty predictable with his posts
> whenever he chooses to grace us with his mighty presence. Was it a good
> rant or the same old tired one?

Same old.

>  Give the cat a dog's name.  A friend of mine named
> her tiny dog "Kitty".

Fido or Rover would be good.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Why is it not good that it's yellow?  What color would be better?

Clear.

> I bet your yard is pretty in the snow.  (Trying to think of a silver
> lining here, although it's true that I bet it's pretty.)

It is indeed beautiful.

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:

> > national approval ratings are quite high?  Who are all these people
> who
> > think he's great?  Why do I know so few of them?  Am I mutant for not
> > knowing many of them?

> Have you not heard the old phrase "like attracts like"?

True.  But the discrepancy seems so huge between the approval ratings I
read about and the world I live in.

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Betty wrote:

> >201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .
>
> Have a wonderful time! A whole month. I can't imagine.

I keep thinking of other things you missed.  Doris picked up a Texas
cold.  Rita also has had bouts with the epizudics.

How are you today, Rita?  I worry about your going back to work Monday
feeling unwell.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
  Who are all these people who
> think he's great?  Why do I know so few of them?  Am I mutant for not
> knowing many of them?

I have the same question, but you and I both know the answer: we have in
our own families a RRB & RRS & RRBIL & RRSIL. There probably are a lot
of these people. However, in my internet life and "personal social life"
(if it can be called that), there are only anti-Bush people. It could be
that the pollsters only call RR people, because poor people don't have
phones.

alyce

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In the always-clearer light of morning it occurred to me that maybe
"altar guild" was scribbled over to the left of the person's name on the
donation acknowledgement because that is the part of the church the
donation will go to.  So I ended up not mentioning the AG in the note --
I said "the kind contribution" -- as opposed to "your" on the AG's or
whatever.

I see answers to my remote question ahead in the mail, but I've gotta go
to the p.o. now.  Will look forward to returning and reading more mail.

--
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At 09:30 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .
> >
> > Have a wonderful time! A whole month. I can't imagine.
>
>I keep thinking of other things you missed.  Doris picked up a Texas
>cold.  Rita also has had bouts with the epizudics.

Sounds like Rita. Who are they?

Betty

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The power stayed on. I estimate that I have about 16" of new snow, and
it still is snowing. It had stopped for a couple of hours this morning,
but has resumed. Spike loves the snow, even though it is higher than his
stomach. He plows through it, puts his head down in it and tosses a
headful of snow up in the air, sticks his nose in it and burrows along.
Comical to watch. The very large branches of my 80-100' evergreen are
heavy with snow and bowed down to the ground. They need young boys to
liberate them, lest they break. I have been promised assistance later
today. Kevin brought over more soup and homemade biscuits late yesterday
afternoon. Lois makes the world's best soups.
Breathing is satisfactory, although exertion causes breathlessness,
which still is not right.

alyce

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> >Wow!  I am so impressed!  I would bow in awe but
> >I'm afraid I'd spill my coffee.  You were really on a
> >roll.  That flameout at the end really brings you back
> >to earth though, doesn't it?  Gad, that is real.
>
> Gad?  It's been a long time since I heard that one.  Is your son still
in
> the country,Doris?
>
> Betty

Hm, I don't use that often.  What is gad anyway?
A cheap way of swearing?

My son was with us for Xmas but is leaving soon
to go back, in fact may be already gone.

                    - D. M.

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Natalie, did you check flights?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>  the idea of its turning into something totally different bothers me greatly.
>
  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>     Old Fart, Traditionalist, Resistant to Major Change

We are as one.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         I just got a catalog from them today.  I've never heard of
> them before.  They're spying on us!

I have bought all my curtains and drapes from them, except the living
room draperies that are much finer and which I had made especially.

alyce
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>>human companionship?   the daily newspaper?   milk, fruit, juice, access to
>>health care
>
>Clyde is not home?  You can read newspapers on line.  You better stock up
>some powdered milk.  That is what we would run out of, too, that I would miss.
>Betty

Does Clyde count as human companionship??   In any case, we just shoveled
ourselves out.  It only took a half hour.   Of course, we may have to do it
again before the day is over.  This time Clyde talked to Grampie's son who
came to plow them out.  From now on he will plow our driveway and we can
concentrate our efforts on the deck and front walk.


    --bonniev

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>True.  But the discrepancy seems so huge between the approval ratings I
>read about and the world I live in.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Which should clue you in to just how unreal the academic life is.


    --bonniev

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>In the always-clearer light of morning it occurred to me that maybe
>"altar guild" was scribbled over to the left of the person's name on the
>donation acknowledgement because that is the part of the church the
>donation will go to.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Oh good.  Because that's the first thing I thought but I was too busy
playing Scrabble last night to answer your post.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> its
> being too cold to snow and that I used it many semesters back when I
> taught freshman comp.

>From Google:
If it is too cold, the atmosphere can not hold water.
No water, no snow. The most prominent example of this is Antarctica. The
precipitation at the south pole is minimal, to the extent that it is
categorized as a desert. The precipitation that falls does not melt
readily.
---
But I don't understand how the snow got there in the first place, then.
Unless it fell millions of years ago when the climate was different and
has never melted. ???

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > > Whether you've heard of them or not, they were canned.
> ....
> > > > meant it. What's derogatory or malicious or superior about my comment?
> > >
> > > The "whether you've heard of them or not."
> >
> > In your opinion. There are other interpretations.
>
> For example?

That I was being literal. (Which I was.)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> But I do appreciate your thought on this.  It's just that this room
> isn't the kind to have something so <fussy> in it.
>
Country Curtains has very plain stuff, as well as fussy, in the
catalogue. In fact, plainness seems to predominate. There are some
ruffles and poufs, but largely plain with moderate borders of lace, or
not.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen has adopted a cat but can't touch it and hasn't named it yet.

I wouldn't say I have adopted it, I'd say I'm feeding and watering
it. But I have no plans to either touch it or name it.

Karen

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> It's time the cat had a name.

Not knowing its sex, the name will have to be generic. How about Ki**y?

alyce


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At 10:56 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>If it is too cold, the atmosphere can not hold water.
>No water, no snow. The most prominent example of this is Antarctica. The
>precipitation at the south pole is minimal, to the extent that it is
>categorized as a desert. The precipitation that falls does not melt
>readily.

That is why the statement, as made in any temperate environment, is silly.

>But I don't understand how the snow got there in the first place, then.
>Unless it fell millions of years ago when the climate was different and
>has never melted. ???

That's about it.  Ice cores from Antarctica yield mineral grains, pollen,
and spores---all from a time when the area supported vegetation. Moreover,
Antarctica has one or more freshwater lakes---ice-covered the year
around---that were formed and filled during an earlier climatic regime.

cwv

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 09:48:04AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= college.   We have ourselves a blizzard.  It's supposed to last all
= day.  Don't know when we'll venture out to shovel the driveway or front walk.
=
=     --bonniev

We had tiny tiny light flurries off and on for a couple of hours.
None of it stuck.  But man, it is cold and windy out today.  I'd
guess it was just above freezing for most of the day (it was 1 C
at about noon).

steph

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At 10:50 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, betty wrote:
 >Clyde is not home?  You can read newspapers on line.  You better stock up
>>some powdered milk.  That is what we would run out of, too, that I would
>>miss.
>>Betty
>
>Does Clyde count as human companionship??   In any case, we just shoveled
>ourselves out.  It only took a half hour.   Of course, we may have to do it
>again before the day is over.  This time Clyde talked to Grampie's son who
>came to plow them out.  From now on he will plow our driveway and we can
>concentrate our efforts on the deck and front walk.

Betty, you forget that the supply of "breakfast of champions" requires
periodic renewal---and if we went to powdered milk, I'd have to lay in one
helluva supply of Lactaid.

cwv

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Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.

Don't wear zippers. Don't look eccentric.

alyce

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At 11:03 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> >
> > It's time the cat had a name.
>
>Not knowing its sex, the name will have to be generic. How about Ki**y?

I love it.  Alyce, you have not lost your sense of humor.  Did you son get
everything done on your list?

Betty

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Bookrat wrote:
>
>
> I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my final
> score.

It is just unbelievable. I am really poor at the game and have not
exceeded 400,000+. I do bow humbly.

alyce

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:38:00AM -0800, Betty wrote:
= At 09:30 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >Betty wrote:
= >
= > > >201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .
= > >
= > > Have a wonderful time! A whole month. I can't imagine.
= >
= >I keep thinking of other things you missed.  Doris picked up a Texas
= >cold.  Rita also has had bouts with the epizudics.
=
= Sounds like Rita. Who are they?
=
= Betty

m-w helped me find "epizootics".  in any event, she was sick.

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Somebody just sent me a picture of my mother from a good while back, but
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

  Does it mean there
> are remotes you can buy somewhere like Wmart that would work with any
> tv?

Yes, unless your mother's TV was very old.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >what "universal remote" means.  I've seen that term.  Does it mean there
> >are remotes you can buy somewhere like Wmart that would work with any
> >tv?  Iow, could I simply go out to Wmart and buy a generic remote
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Yes.  Yes.

Thanks!  I will perhaps do that this afternoon.  What I need to do
before that is clean up my dirty, cluttered house.  Dirt and clutter
make me <feel bad> (psychologically).  I also need to do some major work
on the junk room, which is intended to be not quite so jammed with junk
as it is right now.  It's ok for it to be junky -- that's its main role
in life.  But it's impossible right now.  I need to be able to navigate
the room, find things, etc.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty wrote:
>
>
>>>201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .
>>>
>>Have a wonderful time! A whole month. I can't imagine.
>>
>
> I keep thinking of other things you missed.  Doris picked up a Texas
> cold.  Rita also has had bouts with the epizudics.
>
> How are you today, Rita?  I worry about your going back to work Monday
> feeling unwell.

        Still unwell and very tired.  I have another doctor's
appointment in a couple of weeks for a blood pressure check,
so we'll see what happens then.  I think the past year or so
is catching up to me and I'm just really run down.  I went
in to school yesterday for a couple of hours to pick up some
stuff I forgot and clean out some filing cabinets that I
want removed from my room, and that wiped me out.  Next week
will be pretty busy and the kids will be demons coming back
from the break, but after that is finals week and while I'll
be pretty busy grading (I bet I can get Ellie to do some of
that for me), I won't be doing any teaching.  And since I
keep my grade program up-to-date, doing the semester grades
will a snap.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> This is one of the things I'm mindful of when I'm thinking about online
> community architecture, and I think it's a valid concern.

Even is it is made by one of the "folks who haven't had experience with
blogs?" In fact, I have. They're the Current Big Thing on the net and it
would be difficult not to have had experience with them---writing, reading,
talking about them, etc. Pete, if you were referring to me, then you were
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steph wrote:

> might look if they have a direct replacement here:
>
> http://www.replacementremotes.com

I am disappointed.  That looked to be the easiest thing to do, but they
don't have a Panasonic PV-C2541 listed.  That seems odd, given the huge
number of Panasonic remotes they do list.  This is not an ancient tv set
-- just slightly over a year old.

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bonniev wrote:
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> >You have everything in the basement.  What would you run out of first?
> >Betty
>
> human companionship?

What is Clyde?

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Betty wrote:
>
> Natalie, did you check flights?

Not yet.  I am too stressed out by clutter and dirt to do that yet.
Need to murphyoil pawprints off the floor and vacuum dust balls etc.
And try to figure out what to do about the impossible junk room.

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Betty wrote:
  Did you son get
> everything done on your list?

He did a zillion things, but the list is very long. It may be that Jeff
will come at the end of the month to carry on.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:
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>
>         Still unwell and very tired.

Go to bed. Now.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >In the always-clearer light of morning it occurred to me that maybe
> >"altar guild" was scribbled over to the left of the person's name on the
> >donation acknowledgement because that is the part of the church the
> >donation will go to.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Oh good.  Because that's the first thing I thought but I was too busy
> playing Scrabble last night to answer your post.

This morning it seemed obvious.  I should never trust my late-afternoon
or night-time brain, especially after a somewhat hectic day.

--
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Country Curtains has very plain stuff, as well as fussy, in the
> catalogue. In fact, plainness seems to predominate. There are some
> ruffles and poufs, but largely plain with moderate borders of lace, or
> not.

I don't really think I want curtains in this room, though, unless
they're a kind very easy to open and close.  I like looking out these
windows but also want to seal up the room at times, mainly to keep cold
and hot from coming in.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > I'm flying Tuesday.  We'll see what happens to me.
>
> Don't wear zippers. Don't look eccentric.
>
> alyce

I can hear it now:

"Are you flying with us today?"
"Yes."
"Then I must check your fly."

              - D. M.

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At 05:18 PM 1/4/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:38:00AM -0800, Betty wrote:
>= At 09:30 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>= >Betty wrote:
>= >
>= > > >201 Ohua Avenue . . in residence for one month . .
>= > >
>= > > Have a wonderful time! A whole month. I can't imagine.
>= >
>= >I keep thinking of other things you missed.  Doris picked up a Texas
>= >cold.  Rita also has had bouts with the epizudics.
>=
>= Sounds like Rita. Who are they?
>=
>= Betty
>
>m-w helped me find "epizootics".  in any event, she was sick.


So sorry. Her daily agenda always exhausted me.

Betty

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> Bookrat wrote:
> >
> >
> > I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my
final
> > score.
>
> It is just unbelievable. I am really poor at the game and have not
> exceeded 400,000+. I do bow humbly.
>
> alyce

For me, the real fun of the game is capturing
the bonus words.

                    - D. M.

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At 10:28 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> >
> > Natalie, did you check flights?
>
>Not yet.  I am too stressed out by clutter and dirt to do that yet.
>Need to murphyoil pawprints off the floor and vacuum dust balls etc.
>And try to figure out what to do about the impossible junk room.

Just close the door to the room for a while. Did you have to bring all your
mother's stuff to your place? Did your brother help?

Betty

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At 11:10 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 10:50 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, betty wrote:
> >Clyde is not home?  You can read newspapers on line.  You better stock up
>>>some powdered milk.  That is what we would run out of, too, that I would
>>>miss.
>>>Betty
>>
>>Does Clyde count as human companionship??   In any case, we just shoveled
>>ourselves out.  It only took a half hour.   Of course, we may have to do it
>>again before the day is over.  This time Clyde talked to Grampie's son who
>>came to plow them out.  From now on he will plow our driveway and we can
>>concentrate our efforts on the deck and front walk.
>
>Betty, you forget that the supply of "breakfast of champions" requires
>periodic renewal---and if we went to powdered milk, I'd have to lay in one
>helluva supply of Lactaid.
>
>cwv

I thought about that after I sent it.  Where did the cat walk this morning?

Betty

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Here's what it says:

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Is there any hope for my being able to see the picture?
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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Still unwell and very tired.  I have another doctor's
> appointment in a couple of weeks for a blood pressure check,
> so we'll see what happens then.  I think the past year or so

I wish your appointment was sooner than that.  It's hard to face a new
semester or post-vacation students or any such thing when feeling tired.

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Betty wrote:

>  We should have a work party there.

I think a work party is a great idea.

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Betty wrote:
> Oh, good.  Keep them rotating through. We should have a work party there.
>
Yes, indeed. Just take a week off at Snow Bash time. Go to Adam's as
usual, and then come here after brunch and stay the week. I now can
sleep two people in the guest room, one in Ken's bed, and two on an
excellent inflatable mattress.
And one on the couch, if you could move Spike. Yes, I think six people
and a week of work would be of great use.

I will supply food if someone else cooks it.

alyce

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Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2

-aht

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At 11:30 AM 1/4/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>   Did you son get
> > everything done on your list?
>
>He did a zillion things, but the list is very long. It may be that Jeff
>will come at the end of the month to carry on.

Oh, good.  Keep them rotating through. We should have a work party there.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 10:28 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> Betty wrote:
>> >
>> > Natalie, did you check flights?
>>
>> Not yet.  I am too stressed out by clutter and dirt to do that yet.
>> Need to murphyoil pawprints off the floor and vacuum dust balls etc.
>> And try to figure out what to do about the impossible junk room.
>
>
> Just close the door to the room for a while. Did you have to bring all your
> mother's stuff to your place? Did your brother help?


        We still have a ton of my MIL's stuff in our basement.  We
made a dent this week -- about six trashbags of stuff -- but
a lot of work remains to be done.  We did find out about
some additional stock she owned that we had no records of,
so we had a nice little windfall this week.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>>        Still unwell and very tired.
>>
>
> Go to bed. Now.


        Can't.  I have planning to do.


--
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At 10:44 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 10:28 AM 1/4/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>Betty wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Natalie, did you check flights?
>>>
>>>Not yet.  I am too stressed out by clutter and dirt to do that yet.
>>>Need to murphyoil pawprints off the floor and vacuum dust balls etc.
>>>And try to figure out what to do about the impossible junk room.
>>
>>
>>Just close the door to the room for a while. Did you have to bring all your
>>mother's stuff to your place? Did your brother help?
>
>
>        We still have a ton of my MIL's stuff in our basement.  We
>made a dent this week -- about six trashbags of stuff -- but
>a lot of work remains to be done.  We did find out about
>some additional stock she owned that we had no records of,
>so we had a nice little windfall this week.

Oh, good!  Those are nice finds.

Betty

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Betty wrote:
> >Not yet.  I am too stressed out by clutter and dirt to do that yet.
> >Need to murphyoil pawprints off the floor and vacuum dust balls etc.
> >And try to figure out what to do about the impossible junk room.
>
> Just close the door to the room for a while.

That door stays closed.  It's just that I really want to be able to find
things in that room more easily and to walk from one end of it to the
other more easily.

> Did you have to bring all your
> mother's stuff to your place?

She didn't have very much stuff at the nursing home.  I gave her
roommate the decorative things that she liked, including a chair, gave
the nightgowns etc to the nursing home for anybody who might need them,
gave most of the books to the nursing home library or to the employees
who wanted some of them.  I brought home a rickety bookshelf since I
never have enough bookshelves (but have no real place to put it),  a few
of the books, including the one she held in her hands constantly in her
last weeks, sometimes reading to me from it -- things like "why dogs
lift their legs."  And then her tv set just yesterday.  Some of her
other stuff I had brought home from Hville a good while back -- things
like the rocking chair that my RRB&SIL were about to toss, the little
desk Daddy got for xmas as a small child and was unhappy at getting
since he would rather have gotten toys, etc. etc.

> Did your brother help?

What a weird concept!  The word "help" just doesn't fit him in any way.

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= Just close the door to the room for a while. Did you have to bring all your
= mother's stuff to your place? Did your brother help?
=
= Betty

Don't ask questions like that about her brother.  You know what
the answer is.

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steph wrote:

> m-w helped me find "epizootics".  in any event, she was sick.

Didn't we discuss this word back in '91 or so -- after I had then
misspelled it also?  I don't remember ever having seen it written
(except maybe here on Words-L) and wasn't aware it was a real disease.
But it was always the word used in my childhood for something you might
catch or something somebody had or whatever.

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At 05:57 PM 1/4/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>= Just close the door to the room for a while. Did you have to bring all your
>= mother's stuff to your place? Did your brother help?
>=
>= Betty
>
>Don't ask questions like that about her brother.  You know what
>the answer is.

You're right but I was hoping.  I mean, she was his mother, too.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Somebody just sent me a picture of my mother from a good while back, but
> I can't open it.  Netscape pops up that little box asking questions
> about what I want to do.  The attached picture says it's winmail.dat.
> What is that?  What do I need to open it?

Outlook. Are you using Eudora? In any case, see
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1552hq.html

Karen

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>But it was always the word used in my childhood for something you might
>catch or something somebody had or whatever.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

One of the few phrases I picked up in the South and still use is "feeling
puny".   I had never heard that before and was very interested the first
time I heard it used in Tennessee.  Now I even talk about the plants
looking puny.  Great word.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I don't really think I want curtains in this room, though, unless
> they're a kind very easy to open and close.  I like looking out these
> windows but also want to seal up the room at times, mainly to keep cold
> and hot from coming in.

Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
have a solar screen.

http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html

Karen

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:55:11 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>> Are you retired enough
>> this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be there!
>
>Funny you should mention that.  When I saw your posting, I was thinking
>about the fact that that's MLK weekend -- meaning that Monday is a
>holiday.  I wonder what the NW cybersavers for that weekend will be...

The happenstance of MLK weekend, and the associated opportunity for a BA
FTF, has been noted already by at least one person.

neal

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> You perceive snide where there is none, Natalie. Sort of like the
> wicked fleeing where none pursueth.

I vote for Natalie, here.  Although I don't think the way you phrased your
original response was -snide- exactly, I would call it thoughtlessly
snippy.  Like, snippy as a habit.

Ann

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Anne Toal said:
> Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
> couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
> kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2

You have a huge yard!

It's probably a good thing I don't have a camera--I'd post pictures of
my broccoli and my lettuce.

Karen

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Oops, sorry, constructive question, for people like Alyce: any
> good source for obtaining "Basil Bunting reads Briggflatts" and
> other poems?

Two audio cassette recordings of Bunting reading "Briggflats" and other
poems are also available from Bloodaxe Books, ISBN 1 85224 528 X.

If your browser has the "RealAudio" plug-in you can listen to a
recording of Bunting reading a short poem, "At Briggflats meetinghouse".

This is the Contents List of the tapes:

                             Tape 1: Studio Set - Side A

                             1. Briggflatts 59-74
                             Parts I, II & III

                             Running Time: 30.04

                             Tape 1: Studio Set - Side B

                             2. Briggflatts 75-81
                             continued: Parts IV, V & coda

                             3. Selected Odes -

                             'Dear be still' (I:9) 105
                             'Narciss, my numerous cancellations prefer'
(I:1 I) 107
                             'An aries, an aries for my hiring' (I:12)
108
                             'On the Fly-Leaf of Pound's Cantos' (I:37)
132
                             'Mesh cast for mackerel' (I:22) 119
                             'The soil sandy and the plow light' (I:31)
126
                             'Let them remember Samangan' (I:32) 127
                             'These tracings from a world that's dead'
(I:34) 129
                             'Stones trip Coquet burn' (II:10) 144

                             Running Time: 29.32


                             Tape 2: Live Set - Side A

                             4. Selected Odes & Overdrafts -

                             'Now we've no hope of going back' (II:
2)146
                             'You can't grip years, Posthume'
(Overdrafts) 16 1
                             'Snow's on the feilside' (Overdrafts) 221
                             'A thrush in the syringa sings' (II:1) 135
                             '0, it is godlike to sit selfpossessed'
(II:7) 141
                             'You idiot' (II:4) 138
                             'All the cants they peddle' (II:9) 143
                             'Stones trip Coquet burn' (II:10) 144
                             'Carmencita's tawny paps' (II:8) 142
                             'Southwind, tell her what' (I:29) 124
                             'You leave' (I:28) 123
                             'Two hundred and seven paces' (I:26) 122
                             'At Briggflatts meetinghouse' (II:11) 145
                             What the Chairman told Tom (II:6) 140

                             Running Time: 27.07


                             Tape 2: Live Set - Side B

                             5. Villon 25-29
                             6. The Spoils 47-58

                             Running Time: 34.22

                             Italicised numbers above are the page
numbers of the poems
                             in Complete Poems by Basil Bunting
(Bloodaxe Books, 2000).
                             Those in brackets are the poem numbers in
his two Books of
                             Odes. Published by Bloodaxe Books Ltd, P.O.
Box 1SN,
                             Newcastle upon Tyne NE99 1 SN

alyce

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I want to come!!!!!

Knock something over in my name, Betty

Karen
who is hell on champagne flutes

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>Yes, indeed. Just take a week off at Snow Bash time. Go to Adam's as
>usual, and then come here after brunch and stay the week.  ... ...
>
>I will supply food if someone else cooks it.
>alyce

This sounds so tempting.  I'd even be willing to cook.   And serve at the
table for tender sensibilities.   Natalie could have her own place at the sink.


    --bonniev

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Here's what it says:
>
>             Name: winmail.dat
>             Type: application/ms-tnef
>             Encoding: base64
>
> Is there any hope for my being able to see the picture?

        It's Microsoft's world; we just live in it.  People at the
University of Edinburgh appear to be coping with this problem as best they
can:

http://agamemnon.ucs.ed.ac.uk/faq/mstnef.html

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
who googled for "application/ms-tnef"

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http://www.Humansforsale.com

I would not have thought that this bag of bones is valuable, but it says
here that I (my person, not possessions) am worth exactly:
$1,637,468.00.
--
alyce

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My Power Macintosh 7100 seems to have reached the end of it's useful life
cycle, so it's time for a newish computer.  Unfortunately, I am on a
shoestring budget (trying not to go too much over $600), so instead of
buying for future expansion I'll be buying the minimum necessary to keep up.

I'd been thinking of getting a cheap Wintel box, suitable for dual-booting
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Second, does anyone here have any recommendations for running a Windows
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Ann Borkin said:
> I vote for Natalie, here.  Although I don't think the way you phrased your
> original response was -snide- exactly, I would call it thoughtlessly
> snippy.  Like, snippy as a habit.

You're right--there was no thought of 'snippy' in my mind.

Karen

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At 12:23 PM 1/4/2003 -0500, Neal Traven wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:55:11 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>
> >> Are you retired enough
> >> this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be
> there!
> >
> >Funny you should mention that.  When I saw your posting, I was thinking
> >about the fact that that's MLK weekend -- meaning that Monday is a
> >holiday.  I wonder what the NW cybersavers for that weekend will be...
>
>The happenstance of MLK weekend, and the associated opportunity for a BA
>FTF, has been noted already by at least one person.

Neal, most of us suffer CRAFT here.  I had forgotten already.

Betty

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>Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
>couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
>kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2
>-aht

What a pretty cat.   I guess it's too  hot and dry to get any decent grass
growing there.  I hope you didn't expect me to be envious.  This snow is
quite pretty or will be when it stops blowing around so that one can see.

Here's Bar Harbor at the moment:

http://www.geddys.com/harborcam.html


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Oh, no.  I just didn't want to transfer her a) in the middle
> of the year and b) until I know I'm going to be staying for
> awhile.  If all goes as planned, I'll enroll her for
> September and she'll go to Avery, which is a couple of
> blocks from the high school, and is where the kids of most
> of the other out-of-district teachers go.

Cool.

>         Somebody is interested in breeding to Vinnie according to
> Cecily, so I'm checking out some of their girls.  It isn't
> my decision, but I hope she is considering one who is a bit
> more of an outcross -- Vinnie is pretty tightly linebred.

I hope so, too. What are the ethics of letting her breed Vinnie to
someone who *isn't* more of an outcross?

Btw, I delved into another Csikszentmihalyi book last night, "Becoming
Adult". This is fairly relevant to you, I think.

>From the book jacket:
"Among their findings:

- Girls anticipate the same lifestyles as boys in terms of education
  and income

- Lower income minority students are more positive about school than
  more affluent teens

- Students who get the most out of school--and have the highest future
  expectations--are those who find school more playlike than worklike
  [this one really spoke to me]

- Clear vocational goals and good work experiences do not guarantee a
  smooth transition to adult work. Engaging activities--with intense
  involvement regardless of content--are essential for building the
  optimism and resilience crucial to satisfying work lives." [and this
  one]

He co-wrote this with a psychologist, Barbara Schneider.

So far the book jacket is more interesting than the book, but I was
tired.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> I guess it's too  hot and dry to get any decent grass
> growing there.

It's *winter*, Bonnie. Or hadn't you recived the memo? My lawn looks
just like Anne's.

Karen

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Bookrat said:
> I'd been thinking of getting a cheap Wintel box, suitable for dual-booting
> (Windows 2K and FreeBSD).

Are you buying or making? I have an extra CD-ROM drives and some other
pieces if you want them.

> First, does anyone here have any experience running OS X on a 266Mhz G3?  I
> know it's doable, but is it realistic?

I also have a motherboard with some chip. PII maybe. (In case you give
up the Mac idea and decide to go to Windows.)

Karen

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Betty said:
> Karen, I hope you had a great trip and T-Bone's head is polished.

I did and it is. (Not due to me.)

> Good luck in the New Year.

Thank you.

> Give the cat a dog's name.  A friend of mine named
> her tiny dog "Kitty".

Maybe I'll name it if it stops running when I open the door.

Karen

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:40:15 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

>At 12:23 PM 1/4/2003 -0500, Neal Traven wrote:
>>On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:55:11 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>>
>> >> Are you retired enough
>> >> this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be
>> there!
>> >
>> >Funny you should mention that.  When I saw your posting, I was thinking
>> >about the fact that that's MLK weekend -- meaning that Monday is a
>> >holiday.  I wonder what the NW cybersavers for that weekend will be...
>>
>>The happenstance of MLK weekend, and the associated opportunity for a BA
>>FTF, has been noted already by at least one person.
>
>Neal, most of us suffer CRAFT here.  I had forgotten already.
>
>Betty

The whole BA FTF thing might not have gotten off the ground if Monday was a
workday for me.  That, and the knowledge that some of my fellow SABR Board
members (including the Prez) have tickets on the redeye Saturday night ...
hence, no Sunday morning meeting.

neal

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> That door stays closed.  It's just that I really want to be able to find
> things in that room more easily and to walk from one end of it to the
> other more easily.

Part of the problem is the boxes of stuff I brought home from the office
last summer.  I threw away and gave away tons and tons and tons of stuff
but still have stuff I need to keep -- and need to be able to get to
since some of it is related to courses I teach.

> who wanted some of them.  I brought home a rickety bookshelf since I
> never have enough bookshelves (but have no real place to put it),  a few
> of the books, including the one she held in her hands constantly in her
> last weeks, sometimes reading to me from it -- things like "why dogs
> lift their legs."  And then her tv set just yesterday.  Some of her

And, of course, pictures.  I put a bunch of the pictures in a bag and
gave them to my RRB&SIL in Jackson.  A few I kept here.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> growing there.  I hope you didn't expect me to be envious.

Bonnie, if you had been envious, I would have a). made an appointment to see
a therapist, and b). moved to the next safest place ever to be visited by
you.

-aht

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
> couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
> kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2

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Does this mean it's time to update Netscape?  It doesn't mean I have to
give up 4.7, does it?  I won't do that.  Could this be related to why I
can't open that picture somebody sent me?  (I.e., might these two
failures be related?)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>It's *winter*, Bonnie. Or hadn't you recived the memo? My lawn looks
>just like Anne's.      --Karen

And does the lawn look more lush when it is *summer*?  Or does it look
burnt and dry then?  I know that in Gainesville, Florida there were very
few decent looking lawns.


    --bonniev

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Anne Toal writes,

> > This is one of the things I'm mindful of when I'm thinking about online
> > community architecture, and I think it's a valid concern.
>
>Even is it is made by one of the "folks who haven't had experience with
>blogs?"

Yes, of course.  It's a valid concern.  I've worried about it in the
context of various online communities over the course of a decade, now.

>Pete, if you were referring to me, then you were mistaken.

Sorry, wasn't. :)

Pete

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alyce cresap wrote:

> And one on the couch, if you could move Spike. Yes, I think six people

If Spike doesn't mind snuggling, I don't mind.  Sleeping with a beagle
feels good.  But I can't take a week off unless Snowbash coincides with
Spring Break.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Does this mean it's time to update Netscape?

That's hard to say. I think YGP uses Javascript, but I don't know if the
browser you have supports that or not.

-a

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>Bonnie, if you had been envious, I would have a). made an appointment to see
>a therapist, and b). moved to the next safest place ever to be visited by
>you.     -aht

Why then mention Portland, Maine in your initial post and title the post
"Gloating" ?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Anne Toal wrote:
>
>>Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
>>couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
>>kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2
>>
>
> *************
> We're sorry, the You've Got Pictures service does not currently
>  support the browser you are using. To view this album of
>  pictures sent to you via You've Got Pictures, please use the
>  latest browser available at Netscape downloads, or Internet
>  Explorer downloads. Once you have launched your browser
>  window, copy the URL from the e-mail you received and paste
>  it into your browser.
> *************
>
> Does this mean it's time to update Netscape?  It doesn't mean I have to
> give up 4.7, does it?  I won't do that.  Could this be related to why I
> can't open that picture somebody sent me?  (I.e., might these two
> failures be related?)


        Nah.  It didn't like Netscape 6, either.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Somebody just sent me a picture of my mother from a good while back, but
> > I can't open it.  Netscape pops up that little box asking questions
> > about what I want to do.  The attached picture says it's winmail.dat.
> > What is that?  What do I need to open it?
>
> Outlook. Are you using Eudora? In any case, see
> http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1552hq.html

What is Outlook?  I'm not using Eudora, but I do have it on my computer
-- the version with ads that cover up what you're trying to read.  Hmm.
Maybe I should forward the mail to myself at Ra and use Eudora to get
the mail and see what happens.  (The point of forwarding it to Ra is
simply that I have Eudora set with Ra settings for those very rare
occasions when I need to use popmail for mail there.)  The e-mail with
picture is sitting in my Netscape Mail mailbox at the moment.

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I don't even see the file in Eudora -- just the file info.

  -- Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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> Wow, Anne, I didn't think you'd be so mainstream.

I guess I am, although I still think of myself as not so much that. One
problem I have is that I hear lots of music that I like, but I have no idea
who the artists are. I know there have been several gadgets invented to
address that problem, but they're all useless to me.

-aht

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>             Name: winmail.dat

This MS junk is the rich-text formatting for the message, and may or may
not contain your picture, depending on whether your respondent actually
attached it.

I haven't used it, but you can try this online de-TNEF-er:
<http://tud.at/php/tnef/>.  Save the WINMAIL.DAT file somewhere, then click
the "Browse" button on that page and find and upload the WINMAIL.DAT file.

Pete

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
> have a solar screen.
>
> http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html

I need to look at it again.  I liked the way it looked, but I wasn't
sure exactly what I was looking at -- it appeared to be blinds on a
round-topped window, with curtains sort of out to the left.

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bonniev wrote:

> One of the few phrases I picked up in the South and still use is "feeling
> puny".   I had never heard that before and was very interested the first
> time I heard it used in Tennessee.  Now I even talk about the plants
> looking puny.  Great word.

Interesting.  I had never thought of that as regional.

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Tom Lee wrote:

> http://agamemnon.ucs.ed.ac.uk/faq/mstnef.html
>

Thanks.  I noticed that the choices for downloading Fentum were for
Win95 or Linux.  I wonder if the Win95 version will work with my XP.

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Karen Kay wrote:



> I hope so, too. What are the ethics of letting her breed Vinnie to
> someone who *isn't* more of an outcross?


        Um, none really.  The pups will be nice regardless of which
bitch it is.  The tighter you go, the more you know about
the genetics of your line and the more true your "type" --
what the dogs look like.  I like Vinnie's type, his soft
personality, and his intelligence, but I don't like that
he's dog aggressive.  He could do well in any number of
events (conformation, obedience, agility, hunting), but I
don't compete him because he is untrustworthy around other
male dogs. And I'd prefer to not go through the tummy
problems he had as a youngster with another dog (his father
had them too).  So I guess I'd like to see the pups bred
away from the line where we think the aggression and tummy
problems come from.  But Cecily has been in Irish for over
30 years and knows far, far more about it than I do :).


> Btw, I delved into another Csikszentmihalyi book last night, "Becoming
> Adult". This is fairly relevant to you, I think.
>
>>From the book jacket:
> "Among their findings:
>
> - Girls anticipate the same lifestyles as boys in terms of education
>   and income


        Very true.


> - Lower income minority students are more positive about school than
>   more affluent teens


        I'd like to see what he means by more positive.  Socially, my
lower SES kids love school, but academically they tend to be
low achievers even if the intelligence is there -- I
attribute it to home environments where they can't get a lot
of homework done, low motivation, and social pressure to
some degree.


> - Students who get the most out of school--and have the highest future
>   expectations--are those who find school more playlike than worklike
>   [this one really spoke to me]


        Yes, contrary to what that guy Pete is always quoting claims,
many kids do find school playlike, especially when I let
them get creative on group projects and they can bounce
ideas off each other and be silly (I believe Pete's guy
calls this making them dependent on others).  In my world,
being positive about what you do and being able to work well
with others/solve conflicts (I see lots of conflict with my
freshmen) are good things no matter what you end up doing.


> - Clear vocational goals and good work experiences do not guarantee a
>   smooth transition to adult work. Engaging activities--with intense
>   involvement regardless of content--are essential for building the
>   optimism and resilience crucial to satisfying work lives." [and this
>   one]


        I'm not sure what he means by this, but I don't think success
in school necessarily means success in life or vice versa.
I tell my kids this, too.  The ones who really make me pull
my hair out I tell they absolutely must come back to see me
when they're 30 so I know they turned out ok after all :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Natalie Maynor said:
> Could this be related to why I
> can't open that picture somebody sent me?  (I.e., might these two
> failures be related?)

No.

Karen

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From: Neal Traven <beisbol@ALUMNI.PITT.EDU>
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:15:39 -0600, Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> wrote:

>Natalie Maynor wrote:

> *************
>> We're sorry, the You've Got Pictures service does not currently
>>  support the browser you are using. To view this album of
>>  pictures sent to you via You've Got Pictures, please use the
>>  latest browser available at Netscape downloads, or Internet
>>  Explorer downloads. Once you have launched your browser
>>  window, copy the URL from the e-mail you received and paste
>>  it into your browser.
>> *************
>>
>> Does this mean it's time to update Netscape?  It doesn't mean I have to
>> give up 4.7, does it?  I won't do that.  Could this be related to why I
>> can't open that picture somebody sent me?  (I.e., might these two
>> failures be related?)
>
>
>        Nah.  It didn't like Netscape 6, either.
>

Worked fine in Netscape 7.0, which is much more stable than Netscape product
I've used since 4.75.  Natalie, I think you *should* upgrade.  If you're
concerned about the <improved> appearance in newer versions, rest assured
that it's easy as pie to retain the "Classic" theme, so that it still looks
like Netscape should.

As for -abh's picture, give me Portland or the view from Geddy's in Bar
Harbor over that anytime.  It's *January*!

neal

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bonniev said:
> >It's *winter*, Bonnie. Or hadn't you recived the memo? My lawn looks
> >just like Anne's.      --Karen
>
> And does the lawn look more lush when it is *summer*?  Or does it look
> burnt and dry then?  I know that in Gainesville, Florida there were very
> few decent looking lawns.

Remember what I said about two winters? Here's the planting schedule
for Travis County: http://www.austingardening.org/gardening.html#130
Note the two planting seasons.

My yard seems to be exception to all these rules. My peppers are
producing fine, and the tomato plants are still putting out. I thought
tomatoes were annuals?

I guess I'll keep them as long as they put out.

Karen

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> I haven't used it, but you can try this online de-TNEF-er:
> <http://tud.at/php/tnef/>.  Save the WINMAIL.DAT file somewhere, then click
> the "Browse" button on that page and find and upload the WINMAIL.DAT file.

IT WORKED!!  Thank you, Pete!!!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> > Anne Toal wrote:
> >
> >>Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
> >>couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
> >>kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
> >>
> >>http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2
> >>
> >
> > *************
> > We're sorry, the You've Got Pictures service does not currently
> >  support the browser you are using. To view this album of
> >  pictures sent to you via You've Got Pictures, please use the
> >  latest browser available at Netscape downloads, or Internet
> >  Explorer downloads. Once you have launched your browser
> >  window, copy the URL from the e-mail you received and paste
> >  it into your browser.
> > *************
> >
> > Does this mean it's time to update Netscape?  It doesn't mean I have to
> > give up 4.7, does it?  I won't do that.  Could this be related to why I
> > can't open that picture somebody sent me?  (I.e., might these two
> > failures be related?)
>
>
>         Nah.  It didn't like Netscape 6, either.

That's what I have, and it was fine.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Somebody just sent me a picture of my mother from a good while back, but
> > > I can't open it.  Netscape pops up that little box asking questions
> > > about what I want to do.  The attached picture says it's winmail.dat.
> > > What is that?  What do I need to open it?
> >
> > Outlook. Are you using Eudora? In any case, see
> > http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1552hq.html
>
> What is Outlook?  I'm not using Eudora, but I do have it on my computer
> -- the version with ads that cover up what you're trying to read.  Hmm.
> Maybe I should forward the mail to myself at Ra and use Eudora to get
> the mail and see what happens.  (The point of forwarding it to Ra is
> simply that I have Eudora set with Ra settings for those very rare
> occasions when I need to use popmail for mail there.)  The e-mail with
> picture is sitting in my Netscape Mail mailbox at the moment.

READ THE PAGE, NATALIE! Eudora *won't* open this, only OUTLOOK (a
Microsoft program) will.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I don't even see the file in Eudora -- just the file info.

Of course.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
> > have a solar screen.
> >
> > http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html
>
> I need to look at it again.  I liked the way it looked, but I wasn't
> sure exactly what I was looking at -- it appeared to be blinds on a
> round-topped window, with curtains sort of out to the left.

I think if you read the text, it helps. (This is probably snide. There
is a Product Overview right on that page.)

Karen

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At 09:10 AM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > I don't really think I want curtains in this room, though, unless
> > they're a kind very easy to open and close.  I like looking out these
> > windows but also want to seal up the room at times, mainly to keep cold
> > and hot from coming in.
>
>Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
>have a solar screen.
>
>http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html

I think Costco sells them now.  Are you getting a new room mate for sure
this month, Karen?

Betty

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At 09:23 AM 1/4/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > You perceive snide where there is none, Natalie. Sort of like the
> > wicked fleeing where none pursueth.
>
>I vote for Natalie, here.  Although I don't think the way you phrased your
>original response was -snide- exactly, I would call it thoughtlessly
>snippy.  Like, snippy as a habit.

Ann, is your shit flowing now?

Betty

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At 09:15 AM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>I want to come!!!!!
>
>Knock something over in my name, Betty
>
>Karen
>who is hell on champagne flutes


I hope the flutes were empty!  We'll at least toast you, or at the very
least roast you. I wish you could come, too. Do you want to send one of
your area relatives?

Betty

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Rita Chapman said:
> problems come from.  But Cecily has been in Irish for over
> 30 years and knows far, far more about it than I do :).

Ah. Then you can probably trust her.

> > - Lower income minority students are more positive about school than
> >   more affluent teens
>
>
>         I'd like to see what he means by more positive.  Socially, my
> lower SES kids love school, but academically they tend to be
> low achievers even if the intelligence is there -- I
> attribute it to home environments where they can't get a lot
> of homework done, low motivation, and social pressure to
> some degree.

I think he means they more clearly see the utility, but I don't know.

> > - Students who get the most out of school--and have the highest future
> >   expectations--are those who find school more playlike than worklike
> >   [this one really spoke to me]
>
>
>         Yes, contrary to what that guy Pete is always quoting claims,

What guy?

> many kids do find school playlike,

Including me. It's no accident that technical writing feels like grad
school to me.

> especially when I let
> them get creative on group projects and they can bounce
> ideas off each other and be silly (I believe Pete's guy
> calls this making them dependent on others).

I have come across this idea before, from real people. I think this is
a bizarre concept. I don't remember Pete talking about this at all.

> In my world,
> being positive about what you do and being able to work well
> with others/solve conflicts (I see lots of conflict with my
> freshmen) are good things no matter what you end up doing.

That's what C thinks, too, that's what he writes so much about
autotelic behavior.

> > - Clear vocational goals and good work experiences do not guarantee a
> >   smooth transition to adult work. Engaging activities--with intense
> >   involvement regardless of content--are essential for building the
> >   optimism and resilience crucial to satisfying work lives." [and this
> >   one]
>
>         I'm not sure what he means by this, but I don't think success
> in school necessarily means success in life or vice versa.
> I tell my kids this, too.  The ones who really make me pull
> my hair out I tell they absolutely must come back to see me
> when they're 30 so I know they turned out ok after all :).

The way I took this is that past performance doesn't predict future
success. My take on it is that I had been very successful in my career
in the past, but things have changed. Optimism and resilience are the
only things that will help me get past this. (And these are the things
that make people like Rashmi say that I'm handling this well.)

Karen

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I've seen the pictures now and saw nothing "burned" looking about the
grass.  It looked quite pleasant to me.  Made me want to be out there
crawling over the hose with the cat.  It's a pretty yard.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:

> READ THE PAGE, NATALIE! Eudora *won't* open this, only OUTLOOK (a
> Microsoft program) will.

If only Outlook will, then why were you asking whether I had Eudora?
Didn't matter, though.  Pete's solution was simple and successful.

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Betty said:
> >Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
> >have a solar screen.
> >
> >http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html
>
> I think Costco sells them now.

You're kidding. I'll have to look.

> Are you getting a new room mate for sure
> this month, Karen?

We will talk on Monday; I dunno.

Karen

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Betty said:
> At 09:15 AM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >I want to come!!!!!
> >
> >Knock something over in my name, Betty
> >
> >Karen
> >who is hell on champagne flutes
>
>
> I hope the flutes were empty!

Yes, but they are still broken. One was brand new, that I bought to
replace the one I broke earlier...

> We'll at least toast you, or at the very least roast you.

Oh, goodie.

> I wish you could come, too. Do you want to send one of
> your area relatives?

Let me think on it; that might be a good idea.

Karen

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bonniev wrote:
> This sounds so tempting.  I'd even be willing to cook.   And serve at the
> table for tender sensibilities.   Natalie could have her own place at the sink.
>
Well, come on down. It would be like running a B&B.

alyce

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Neal Traven wrote:

>   Natalie, I think you *should* upgrade.  If you're
> concerned about the <improved> appearance in newer versions, rest assured
> that it's easy as pie to retain the "Classic" theme, so that it still looks
> like Netscape should.

I've used newer versions of Netscape.  Didn't like them.  This is the
first time I've encountered something that a newer version could do that
4.7 couldn't.  The opposite is usually true, as we've discussed here
before.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 01:05 PM 1/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:40:15 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> >At 12:23 PM 1/4/2003 -0500, Neal Traven wrote:
> >>On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:55:11 -0600, Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Are you retired enough
> >> >> this next semester to join us in Santa Rosa?  Maureen is going to be
> >> there!
> >> >
> >> >Funny you should mention that.  When I saw your posting, I was thinking
> >> >about the fact that that's MLK weekend -- meaning that Monday is a
> >> >holiday.  I wonder what the NW cybersavers for that weekend will be...
> >>
> >>The happenstance of MLK weekend, and the associated opportunity for a BA
> >>FTF, has been noted already by at least one person.
> >
> >Neal, most of us suffer CRAFT here.  I had forgotten already.
> >
> >Betty
>
>The whole BA FTF thing might not have gotten off the ground if Monday was a
>workday for me.  That, and the knowledge that some of my fellow SABR Board
>members (including the Prez) have tickets on the redeye Saturday night ...
>hence, no Sunday morning meeting.

Well, we've been trying to find a reason to go to Santa Rosa to see Myles
for a while. You were as good an excuse as any.  Glad you can make it.

Betty

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At 12:10 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
> > growing there.  I hope you didn't expect me to be envious.
>
>Bonnie, if you had been envious, I would have a). made an appointment to see
>a therapist, and b). moved to the next safest place ever to be visited by
>you.

I don't think you'd have to worry about her dropping in.

Betty

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>Janet Hardy writes,
>
>>I just got a group e-mail from Midori: she checked her toys and
>>garments through, left the cases open as the airline demanded, and
>>arrived to find her possessions rifled through, and many stolen.
>
>Where was she flying to/from?

Washington DC ---> SFO.

Janet

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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  I just got a group e-mail from Midori: she checked her toys and
>>  garments through, left the cases open as the airline demanded, and
>>  arrived to find her possessions rifled through, and many stolen.
>
>Does she have any recourse?

She's filed a claim with the airline, but it might be tricky finding
someone who can appraise the value of a handmade latex wardrobe ;)

Janet

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> If Spike doesn't mind snuggling, I don't mind.  Sleeping with a beagle
> feels good.

Actually, he sleeps on the chaise longue in the living room with me at
night. He only uses the couch in the day, so it could be yours alone.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Interesting.  I had never thought of that as regional.

Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.

alyce

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At 10:40 AM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > >Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
> > >have a solar screen.
> > >
> > >http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html
> >
> > I think Costco sells them now.
>
>You're kidding. I'll have to look.


They had them in display cases that you order just like carpet, wood
blinds, etc.


Betty

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>  >But it was always the word used in my childhood for something you might
>>catch or something somebody had or whatever.
>>   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>One of the few phrases I picked up in the South and still use is "feeling
>puny".   I had never heard that before and was very interested the first
>time I heard it used in Tennessee.  Now I even talk about the plants
>looking puny.  Great word.

I like it too. I first heard it used by Carol Queen about her partner
Robert, who was recovering from a major surgery to his lower
intestine, and I've started using it myself. It says such a lot in
such a little word.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > READ THE PAGE, NATALIE! Eudora *won't* open this, only OUTLOOK (a
> > Microsoft program) will.
>
> If only Outlook will, then why were you asking whether I had Eudora?

Because the page I pointed you to, which you didn't look at, was a
Eudora page.

Karen

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>Second, does anyone here have any recommendations for running a Windows
>emulator on OS X?

I have VirtualPC on this puter, but it's OS9. Still, I can tell you
that Virtual PC is buggy but usable. I wouldn't want to have to use
it every day, but if I have to go into it for a few hours to work on
one of the older books that was written on PC, it's generallly fine.

Janet

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Janet Hardy said:
> She's filed a claim with the airline, but it might be tricky finding
> someone who can appraise the value of a handmade latex wardrobe ;)

But any handmade wardrobe would be expensive. And anyone would know
that sewing with latex is tough.

This really pisses me off. Ligniere's father died when he was 12, and
one of the few things he had left from him was a gold watch--this got
stolen out of his baggage a few years ago. Everyone knows who's doing
the stealing, but there are no 'security precautions' to prevent
it. That would be a hell of a lot more useful than chasing Sylvia from
the terminal.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
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>
> Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.

As in 'feeling puny'? I mean, I've known the word, but that expression
isn't native to me.

Karen

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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Interesting.  I had never thought of that as regional.
>
>Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.
>alyce

Mine too.  But I thought it meant small.   In the South it means ill.


    --bonniev

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>our drivers are leaving with snowblowers today or tomorrow, en route to
Albany to help out there, possibly Poughkeepsie and Binghamton, if they need
it


>mary

Bon courage, Mary!

AS

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> alyce cresap said:
> > Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > Interesting.  I had never thought of that as regional.
> >
> > Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.
>
> As in 'feeling puny'? I mean, I've known the word, but that expression
> isn't native to me.
>
> Karen

We used it in Iowa.

        - D. M.

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our drivers are leaving with snowblowers today or tomorrow, en route to
Albany to help out there, possibly Poughkeepsie and Binghamton, if they need
it

mary

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The kids came to shovel and reported to me that a snowplow took out my
mailbox post. This means no mail out, no mail in.
And that means that I will have to go to the p.o. each day.
The piles of snow from the plows are about 8' high. I think they will be
there for some weeks to come and that putting a mailbox post into the
ground is not going to happen for many moons.

Oh, crap. Pardon me.

alyce
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The rundown on the satire ...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134609221_parody04m0.html


The site in question ...

http://foolishschools.org/


AS ("... ah, those ed digests ...")

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>our drivers are leaving with snowblowers today or tomorrow, en route to
>Albany to help out there, possibly Poughkeepsie and Binghamton, if they need
>it         --mary

You almost need snowblowers on the Interstates because you have to get it
far enough off the road.   I've never seen it except in pictures, but I'll
bet the sight of a snowblower on the Interstate, arcing the snow far into
the fields, is awesome!  We have about three more inches since we shoveled
the driveway.  It can lay there for awhile.  We could drive over that if we
had to.  The mailman has made it through the neighborhood.   I think the
snow has stopped for awhile.  I can see the top of Cadillac again.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> As in 'feeling puny'? I mean, I've known the word, but that expression
> isn't native to me.

Yes, as in "feeling puny,' and also as in "he was a puny little thing."

alyce

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>From the St. Thomas Source:

http://new.onepaper.com/stthomasvi/?v=d&i=&s=News:Local&p=58430

"Jan. 3, 2002 - Santa wafted in on private jets and yachts over the
holidays, doing a much better job of filling major hotels on St. Thomas and
St. John than a year ago. And that wasn't all. ..."

AS

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Betty said:
> At 10:40 AM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Betty said:
> > > >Have you seen these? This is what I want in the one room that doesn't
> > > >have a solar screen.
> > > >
> > > >http://www.hunterdouglas.com/silhouette/product_overview.html
> > >
> > > I think Costco sells them now.
> >
> >You're kidding. I'll have to look.
>
>
> They had them in display cases that you order just like carpet, wood
> blinds, etc.

Ah, okay. I don't usually go in that section.:)

Karen

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>Yes, as in "feeling puny,' and also as in "he was a puny little thing."
>alyce

I was familiar with the second usage but not the first.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > As in 'feeling puny'? I mean, I've known the word, but that expression
> > isn't native to me.
>
> Yes, as in "feeling puny,' and also as in "he was a puny little thing."

Okay. Maybe it's an age thing, then.

Karen

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bonniev said:
> You almost need snowblowers on the Interstates because you have to get it
> far enough off the road.   I've never seen it except in pictures, but I'll

I have.

But it's supposed to 75 today, and I had the A/C in my car on. I
thought of you guys, thinking the world is a surreal place.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> The kids came to shovel and reported to me that a snowplow took out my
> mailbox post.

I'm glad that they a) shoveled and b) reported.

I'm wondering if their mailbox went out, too, and if they could be
induced to pick up your mail till a new post can be dug?

The situation does totally suck, and you have all my sympathy.

Karen

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AHD lists the sick, ill meaning as 'chiefly Southern'. It should be in
the latest version of DARE.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:


>>>- Lower income minority students are more positive about school than
>>>  more affluent teens
>>>
>>
>>        I'd like to see what he means by more positive.  Socially, my
>>lower SES kids love school, but academically they tend to be
>>low achievers even if the intelligence is there -- I
>>attribute it to home environments where they can't get a lot
>>of homework done, low motivation, and social pressure to
>>some degree.
>>
>
> I think he means they more clearly see the utility, but I don't know.


        Hmm.  I think that's true, but it doesn't extend into them
working harder at their studies.  It may be that affluent
kids simply expect to be successful regardless, while lower
SES kids don't expect themselves to be a success, so they
don't work at achieving it.


>>>- Students who get the most out of school--and have the highest future
>>>  expectations--are those who find school more playlike than worklike
>>>  [this one really spoke to me]
>>>
>>
>>        Yes, contrary to what that guy Pete is always quoting claims,
>>
>
> What guy?


        Gotti?  Pete talks about him on his blog.  I want Pete to
co-teach with me for a month or so and then reevaluate what
Gotti has to say about the school environment.



>>especially when I let
>>them get creative on group projects and they can bounce
>>ideas off each other and be silly (I believe Pete's guy
>>calls this making them dependent on others).
>>
>
> I have come across this idea before, from real people. I think this is
> a bizarre concept. I don't remember Pete talking about this at all.


        One can do group work badly, and one kid does always end up
doing all the writing, for example, but most teachers I talk
to mix it up so it doesn't happen that way.  I assign  my
kids semi-permanant work groups (they change each unit) and
they all have a letter -- I assign tasks on the basis of the
letter, so if A did the writing last time, B does it this
time -- and they make sure I keep it rotating :).



> The way I took this is that past performance doesn't predict future
> success. My take on it is that I had been very successful in my career
> in the past, but things have changed. Optimism and resilience are the
> only things that will help me get past this. (And these are the things
> that make people like Rashmi say that I'm handling this well.)


        Yes.  And with teenagers, so so so much has to do with their age.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Karen Kay writes,

>AHD lists the sick, ill meaning as 'chiefly Southern'.

I wonder if it's related to "punk": "2adj/2: being in poor health <said
that she was feeling punk>".  My dad, who grew up in Chicago and then lived
in Reno, used it.

Pete

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:
>
> Ann, is your shit flowing now?

Betty, I hope you will mind your manners when our latest 50 or so postings
get put on a moving billboard in Times Square.

To answer your question, we were without full power for 11 long days.
Thank god we got it before guests were scheduled to arrive.

Ann

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Natalie, I never meant to suggest that you were pretending not to be
bored. Never occurred to me that you might be pretending, that's pure
conjecture on your part. Everytime the subject comes up, I'm amused
by the way you brook no criticism of the list, that's all. Reminds me of
the love-it-or-leave-it slogan said to those who presume to criticise the
country.

I never said anything about intellectual content of the list either-more
speculation on your part. That's never bothered me.

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> >AHD lists the sick, ill meaning as 'chiefly Southern'.
>
> I wonder if it's related to "punk": "2adj/2: being in poor health
<said
> that she was feeling punk>".  My dad, who grew up in Chicago and then
lived
> in Reno, used it.
>
> Pete

We also used "punk" in Iowa.

         - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > If only Outlook will, then why were you asking whether I had Eudora?
>
> Because the page I pointed you to, which you didn't look at, was a
> Eudora page.

Hmm.  I wouldn't think that looking at a Eudora web page would have
anything to do with whether you use Eudora.  (The reason I didn't look
at the page was that you didn't give any hint that it might offer a
solution to the problem.  I wasn't interested in simply reading about
the existence of the problem.)

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > If Spike doesn't mind snuggling, I don't mind.  Sleeping with a beagle
> > feels good.
>
> Actually, he sleeps on the chaise longue in the living room with me at
> night. He only uses the couch in the day, so it could be yours alone.

I would be happy to share the couch with Spike in any case -- whether
sleeping together or using it in shifts.  Couches always feel better
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Karen Kay wrote:
> I'm wondering if their mailbox went out, too, and if they could be
> induced to pick up your mail till a new post can be dug?

Maybe, if the p.o. agrees. It is OK with the neighbors, but the p.o. can
be funny about delivering to other places. Of more concern than the mail
is the fact that I now have no address showing anywhere. Were I to need
an emergency vehicle to come, I cannot tell them to come to 641, because
it is gone. That worries me. But I will deal with it Monday, even if I
have to put a flag up of some sort.

alyce
>
> The situation does totally suck, and you have all my sympathy.
>
> Karen


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bonniev wrote:
> >Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.
> >alyce
>
> Mine too.  But I thought it meant small.   In the South it means ill.

It doesn't necessarily mean ill.  It means something more like weak.
Feeling puny is not feeling up to snuff.  And looking puny isn't usually
about illness at all.  Somebody who looks puny looks scrawny and weak,
which may or may not have anything to do with how the person feels.
Somebody who's feeling puny might look peaked.  Is that also regional?
Peak-ed -- two syllables.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Oh, crap. Pardon me.

But it *is* crappy.  Isn't there a practice there of bringing mail to
the door of somebody handicapped?

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Natalie Maynor wrote
>
> But it *is* crappy.  Isn't there a practice there of bringing mail to
> the door of somebody handicapped?

Not with rural delivery. They put the mail in the box across the road
from me.

alyce
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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >>>- Lower income minority students are more positive about school than
> >>>  more affluent teens
> >>>
> >>
> >>        I'd like to see what he means by more positive.  Socially, my
> >>lower SES kids love school, but academically they tend to be
> >>low achievers even if the intelligence is there -- I
> >>attribute it to home environments where they can't get a lot
> >>of homework done, low motivation, and social pressure to
> >>some degree.
> >>
> >
> > I think he means they more clearly see the utility, but I don't know.
>
>
>         Hmm.  I think that's true, but it doesn't extend into them
> working harder at their studies.  It may be that affluent
> kids simply expect to be successful regardless, while lower
> SES kids don't expect themselves to be a success, so they
> don't work at achieving it.

I'll answer this after I read the book.

> >>>- Students who get the most out of school--and have the highest future
> >>>  expectations--are those who find school more playlike than worklike
> >>>  [this one really spoke to me]
> >>>
> >>
> >>        Yes, contrary to what that guy Pete is always quoting claims,
> >>
> >
> > What guy?
>
>         Gotti?  Pete talks about him on his blog.  I want Pete to
> co-teach with me for a month or so and then reevaluate what
> Gotti has to say about the school environment.

Heehee.:)

> > The way I took this is that past performance doesn't predict future
> > success. My take on it is that I had been very successful in my career
> > in the past, but things have changed. Optimism and resilience are the
> > only things that will help me get past this. (And these are the things
> > that make people like Rashmi say that I'm handling this well.)
>
>         Yes.  And with teenagers, so so so much has to do with their age.

In what way?

Karen
not a teenager

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
> > >Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.
> > >alyce
> >
> > Mine too.  But I thought it meant small.   In the South it means ill.
>
> It doesn't necessarily mean ill.  It means something more like weak.
> Feeling puny is not feeling up to snuff.  And looking puny isn't usually
> about illness at all.  Somebody who looks puny looks scrawny and weak,
> which may or may not have anything to do with how the person feels.
> Somebody who's feeling puny might look peaked.  Is that also regional?
> Peak-ed -- two syllables.

Agree with all of the above, including peak-ed.

alyce

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:
> > Ann, is your shit flowing now?
>
> Betty, I hope you will mind your manners when our latest 50 or so postings
> get put on a moving billboard in Times Square.

LOL. What a concept!

> To answer your question, we were without full power for 11 long days.
> Thank god we got it before guests were scheduled to arrive.

Talk to Judith...

Karen

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> I don't think you'd have to worry about her dropping in.

I've been drawn into a false sense of safety with that kind of reassurance
once too often, Betty.

-a

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Hmm.  I wouldn't think that looking at a Eudora web page would have
> anything to do with whether you use Eudora.  (The reason I didn't look
> at the page was that you didn't give any hint that it might offer a
> solution to the problem.  I wasn't interested in simply reading about
> the existence of the problem.)

I think it pointed to the same page Pete did, or a similar one.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Natalie, I never meant to suggest that you were pretending not to be
> bored. Never occurred to me that you might be pretending, that's pure
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
> conjecture on your part. Everytime the subject comes up, I'm amused
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> I never said anything about intellectual content of the list either-more
> speculation on your part.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Natalie, I never meant to suggest that you were pretending not to be
> bored. Never occurred to me that you might be pretending, that's pure
> conjecture on your part. Everytime the subject comes up, I'm amused
> by the way you brook no criticism of the list, that's all. Reminds me of
> the love-it-or-leave-it slogan said to those who presume to criticise the
> country.
>
> I never said anything about intellectual content of the list either-more
> speculation on your part. That's never bothered me.

Then what was it that you said I was stubbornly refusing to concede?
That's what I was responding to -- the thought that I was somehow just
<holding out> and pretending that I didn't think the list had gone
downhill.  I can't see how else to take that statement about refusing to
concede.  I know that some people think the list has gone downhill --
that we are living post-Giant now.  I've never pretended that everybody
was of my mind about it.  And why do you think I brook no criticism of
the list?  Or that I think somebody should love it or leave it?  (I do
think it makes sense to leave a list that you hate, of course.  A list,
at least one like Words-L, is a social hangout.  Weren't we discussing
just a few days ago whether it makes sense to spend time socially with
people you find boring?)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Rashmi Murthy said:
> > Natalie, I never meant to suggest that you were pretending not to be
> > bored. Never occurred to me that you might be pretending, that's pure
>                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > conjecture on your part. Everytime the subject comes up, I'm amused
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > I never said anything about intellectual content of the list either-more
> > speculation on your part.

?  Did you not add anything other than underlining, or did the goblins
eat my copy?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I think it pointed to the same page Pete did, or a similar one.

Ah, if you had said that, I might have followed it.  But just a floating
url is not usually of interest to me.  In any case, the problem was
quickly solved.  If Pete's solution hadn't worked, I was going to go
back to that url Tom sent and see about downloading the Win95 thing in
hopes of its working with XP.

I wrote a thank-you note to the person whose url Pete posted, btw, and
got a nice thank-you for the thank-you back from him.

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm wondering if their mailbox went out, too, and if they could be
> > induced to pick up your mail till a new post can be dug?
>
> Maybe, if the p.o. agrees. It is OK with the neighbors, but the p.o. can
> be funny about delivering to other places.

I think it's worth looking into.

> Of more concern than the mail
> is the fact that I now have no address showing anywhere. Were I to need
> an emergency vehicle to come, I cannot tell them to come to 641, because
> it is gone. That worries me. But I will deal with it Monday, even if I
> have to put a flag up of some sort.

I wonder what people do. I mean, mine are painted on my driveway, but
that's not an option for you. But anything I can think of could be
knocked down by a snow play. In Japan, and in Crater Lake, they have
poles marking the road. You could use those so the snow plow knows
where the road is.

Karen

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Anne Toal said:
> > I don't think you'd have to worry about her dropping in.
>
> I've been drawn into a false sense of safety with that kind of reassurance
> once too often, Betty.

Hahahaha!

Karen

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Why aren't there any white M&Ms???

Because they would enslave the black M&Ms,

steal all the red M&Ms' land,

hunt the blue M&Ms to extinction,

accuse the yellow M&Ms of obstructing trade,

start a panic that the little green M&Ms were invading Earth,

and complain that the brown M&Ms were taking all their jobs.

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I did go to Wmart this afternoon and bought a Philips "universal
remote."  Haven't been able to make it do anything yet, though.  I put
the batteries in and followed the instructions of holding down "code
search" until the red light blinked and then stayed on.  The light did
indeed blink and stay on, but the tv screen sat there in its beautiful
blue nothingness.  I don't know why I don't see any shadows of any kind
-- just bright blue.  I told the tv set "air" instead of "cable" (or
whatever the choice was).  None of that matters, though, since any hint
of tv that might be pulled in would be unwatchable.  I plan to use only
the vcr.  And it does work.  I tried it.  You don't have to have a
remote to make it work.  So this Philips thing I bought will probably go
into a drawer to live until someday when I either figure out something
to do with it or throw it away.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
 In Japan, and in Crater Lake, they have
> poles marking the road. You could use those so the snow plow knows
> where the road is.

They usually put up the pole markers, but the snow came this year before
they had done it.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> So this Philips thing I bought will probably go
> into a drawer to live until someday when I either figure out something
> to do with it or throw it away.

If you're not going to use it, why don't you return it?

Karen

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At 04:13 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Anne Toal wrote:
> > I don't think you'd have to worry about her dropping in.
>
>I've been drawn into a false sense of safety with that kind of reassurance
>once too often, Betty.

Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck. I'd be afraid to
call Tushar.

Betty

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>  In Japan, and in Crater Lake, they have
> > poles marking the road. You could use those so the snow plow knows
> > where the road is.
>
> They usually put up the pole markers, but the snow came this year before
> they had done it.

Ah. That sucks.

Karen

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, bonniev wrote:

> >Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > > Interesting.  I had never thought of that as regional.
> >
> >Puny has been in my lexicon since childhood.
> >alyce
>
> Mine too.  But I thought it meant small.   In the South it means ill.
>
>
>     --bonniev

I grew up in east Texas using "puny" to mean small, in a disparaging way:
She's a puny kid.  I wouldn't have thought that sentence said anything
about her health.

 Sharon

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Rita Chapman writes,

>        Gotti?  Pete talks about him on his blog.  I want Pete to
>co-teach with me for a month or so and then reevaluate what
>Gotti has to say about the school environment.

Gatto. :)

Sounds like fun.  But only if you read his book, first.  I think you think
it says something different than it does.  He talks much more about
institutional schooling as a system than school environment, anyway.

>>them get creative on group projects and they can bounce
>>ideas off each other and be silly (I believe Pete's guy
>>calls this making them dependent on others).

I believe Gatto would approve of group projects and being silly as good
ways to learn.

You may be thinking of his item #13 in the recipe for empty children,
"Reward dependency in many forms.  Call it 'teamwork.'"

It's poorly worded, and you've probably projected the wrong meaning on the
rule.  Gatto does rail against dependency, but it's the enforced dependency
on the institution -- teacher tells you what to think, teacher tells you
what to do, teacher tells you when to go to the bathroom, good children
listen to the teacher -- that he dislikes.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I don't know why I don't see any shadows of any kind
> -- just bright blue.

I found out why.  I hadn't realized that without rabbit ears you get a
bright blue screen.  I thought you'd just get even ghostier shadows and
static.  Not true.  With nothing connected to the tv set at all (other
than power), you get that pretty blue screen.  Plugging in rabbit ears
(which I dug around in my messy storage building and found) makes the
blue screen go away and ghosts show up.  Didn't have any effect on the
remote situation, of course.  I've tried both code search and manual
code entry, but nothing happens atall.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > So this Philips thing I bought will probably go
> > into a drawer to live until someday when I either figure out something
> > to do with it or throw it away.
>
> If you're not going to use it, why don't you return it?

Because I doubt very much that the device itself is defective.  I think
I'm just too stupid to make it work.

--
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Maynor" <natalie@MAYNOR.NET>
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> I did go to Wmart this afternoon and bought a Philips "universal
> remote."  Haven't been able to make it do anything yet, though.  I put
> the batteries in and followed the instructions of holding down "code
> search" until the red light blinked and then stayed on.  The light did
> indeed blink and stay on, but the tv screen sat there in its beautiful
> blue nothingness.  I don't know why I don't see any shadows of any
kind
> -- just bright blue.  I told the tv set "air" instead of "cable" (or
> whatever the choice was).  None of that matters, though, since any
hint
> of tv that might be pulled in would be unwatchable.  I plan to use
only
> the vcr.  And it does work.  I tried it.  You don't have to have a
> remote to make it work.  So this Philips thing I bought will probably
go
> into a drawer to live until someday when I either figure out something
> to do with it or throw it away.
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


This is why I have grandchildren.

            - D. M.

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Betty said:
> I'd be afraid to call Tushar.

My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > So this Philips thing I bought will probably go
> > > into a drawer to live until someday when I either figure out something
> > > to do with it or throw it away.
> >
> > If you're not going to use it, why don't you return it?
>
> Because I doubt very much that the device itself is defective.  I think
> I'm just too stupid to make it work.

That's a good enough reason to return it.

Karen

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At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
>
>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???

I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Betty said:
>> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
>>
>> My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
>
>
> I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.


        The Swedes are like that.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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>Betty said:
> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
>
>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
>Karen

I was afraid of him before I met him.  Or maybe I was just "in awe".


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > If you're not going to use it, why don't you return it?
> >
> > Because I doubt very much that the device itself is defective.  I think
> > I'm just too stupid to make it work.
>
> That's a good enough reason to return it.

Not in my world.  I can remember only one time I ever returned something
that wasn't the store's or manufacturer's fault -- returning clothes my
RRSIL had given me for xmas and using the credit to buy other clothes.
I felt kind of bad about doing that but still did it.  I would never,
however, return something I myself had bought for myself when the store
or manufacturer was not at fault.  And I don't even like doing that --
and rarely do it.  I took that bathroom faucet back to Lowe's last fall
because it was fairly expensive, I had little money, and the faucet
wouldn't fit my plumbing because the faucet inside the box was totally
different from the one described on the outside of the box.  I bought
the right one according to the outside of the box.  If I had just
carelessly picked up the wrong one, I would have cussed myself but not
returned it.

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bonniev wrote:

> >My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> >Karen
>
> I was afraid of him before I met him.  Or maybe I was just "in awe".

And after meeting him?

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Betty said:
> At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Betty said:
> > > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> >
> >My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
>
> I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.

He's far too polite. Really. I can't speak for T-Bone, but I was
surprised how drunk I got on that one Cosmopolitan.

Karen

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> >My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> >Karen

If Tushar got me drunk, he should be afraid of -me-!

Ann

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>He's far too polite. Really. I can't speak for T-Bone, but I was
>surprised how drunk I got on that one Cosmopolitan.
>Karen

That's why the bartender said "are you sure?"   I've seen people get drunk
on one regular gin martini.  If you aren't used to drinking, that's a lot
of booze.


    --bonniev

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Rita Chapman writes,
>
>>        Gotti?  Pete talks about him on his blog.  I want Pete to
>> co-teach with me for a month or so and then reevaluate what
>> Gotti has to say about the school environment.
>
>
> Gatto. :)
>
> Sounds like fun.  But only if you read his book, first.  I think you think
> it says something different than it does.  He talks much more about
> institutional schooling as a system than school environment, anyway.


        Sure.  It would make a great paper :).



> I believe Gatto would approve of group projects and being silly as good
> ways to learn.


        It's hard to pull off and requires a tremendous amount of energy.


> You may be thinking of his item #13 in the recipe for empty children,
> "Reward dependency in many forms.  Call it 'teamwork.'"
>
> It's poorly worded, and you've probably projected the wrong meaning on the
> rule.  Gatto does rail against dependency, but it's the enforced dependency
> on the institution -- teacher tells you what to think, teacher tells you
> what to do, teacher tells you when to go to the bathroom, good children
> listen to the teacher -- that he dislikes.


        Teamwork has a much different meaning in my classroom
(although they do have to ask me when to go to the
bathroom); teamwork means we all have the same goal, and
teamwork means we all work to create an environment in which
those goals are accomplished.  The kids do create some of
the goals, one of which is always that they don't like
English and that it has to be tolerable.  We then go through
a list of activities, etc. so they can see what kinds of
things I do and they see that everyone prefers different
things, so we compromise.  Good kids do listen to me :).
They know I'm really pissed if I ask them to step outside
the door (team) and stand in the hallway until I'm ready to
speak with them, and usually that's enough.  But I'm working
from within the institution, not railing against the
institution.  The way our society has evolved to remove
parents from so much of a child's life is an enormous
disservice to all of us, but I'm not sure the schools are
where you start.  Schools are a reflection of what is going
on in a society; I'm not sure they can be an agent of
change.  There are too many layers of beaurocracy, and too
many teachers who are emperors in their classroom.  I
co-teach with a special educator, but there are few of us in
the department who are willing to do that or are even able
to reliquish that much control.  Creating top-down change is
nearly impossible; expecting this sort of institution to
spontaneously change and then revolutionize society is a
little unrealistic.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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> > I was afraid of him before I met him.  Or maybe I was just "in awe".
>
>And after meeting him?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I was no longer afraid and not quite so much "in awe" either.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:

>>        Gotti?  Pete talks about him on his blog.  I want Pete to
>>co-teach with me for a month or so and then reevaluate what
>>Gotti has to say about the school environment.
>>
>
> Heehee.:)


        Actually, I think it would be a blast :).  I love co-teaching.


>>>The way I took this is that past performance doesn't predict future
>>>success. My take on it is that I had been very successful in my career
>>>in the past, but things have changed. Optimism and resilience are the
>>>only things that will help me get past this. (And these are the things
>>>that make people like Rashmi say that I'm handling this well.)
>>>
>>        Yes.  And with teenagers, so so so much has to do with their age.
>>
>
> In what way?


        They've just got so much going on that focusing on schoolwork
is sometimes nearly impossible.  Later in life, their
priorities change and focusing on a profession is a higher
priority.  I was a fairly indifferent student for most of my
life, so I understand that many times it *is* just a matter
of deciding something is important enough to do well at it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev wrote:
>
> > > I was afraid of him before I met him.  Or maybe I was just "in awe".
> >
> >And after meeting him?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I was no longer afraid and not quite so much "in awe" either.

Was it his toes that changed you?

--
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> Did we talk about spiders here? The average house has over 2000
> spiders.

I hope my apartment has less. Sometimes it seems that it has that many...but
I catch those I can and bring them outside. The others get a burial at sea.

> More space is nice, especially storage space, but it all has
> to be cleaned regularly.

It was much easier for me to clean Grampa's big, spread-out house than it
has been for me to clean this cramped, full apartment. I don't anticipate it
being a problem in any house I move into, because I'll actually have room
for stuff. And more importantly, room to put stuff away!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > I believe Gatto would approve of group projects and being silly as good
> > ways to learn.
>
>         It's hard to pull off and requires a tremendous amount of energy.

That's one thing that I think people who haven't taught might not be not
be fully aware of.  They might think that the hardest thing to do is
stand in front of a class and <lecture>, when it fact that is by far the
easiest thing to do.

--
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> > I was no longer afraid and not quite so much "in awe" either.
>
>Was it his toes that changed you?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Nope.  Never saw his toes.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > If you're not going to use it, why don't you return it?
> > >
> > > Because I doubt very much that the device itself is defective.  I think
> > > I'm just too stupid to make it work.
> >
> > That's a good enough reason to return it.
>
> Not in my world.

That's why they call it Mutant City...

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   I was a fairly indifferent student for most of my
> life, so I understand that many times it *is* just a matter
> of deciding something is important enough to do well at it.

Me too.  I think the fact that I was a goof-off student for much of the
time, though with occasional interludes of caring, is an asset in
teaching.  It gives me certain insights I might not have if I had always
been conscientious.  That's one reason, btw, that (returning to
something that was mentioned earlier) I don't believe that one's
attitudes/behavior as a student are necessarily a predictor of one's
attitudes/behavior in a job.  To me those are quite different
situations.  If somebody has hired me and is paying me to do something,
I will absolutely be conscientious about doing my best.  (And no, in my
school years I didn't stop and think about taxpayer money that was
<paying me> to go to school, etc. etc.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> How many CD's do you have, Adam?  We have a bookcase that we use
> for  CD storage, and have no trouble fitting 400 CD's in there
> with plenty of room to grow.    But I realize that 400 CD's is
> really not all that many.

I have maybe 800 or 850 compact discs.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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bonniev said:
> >He's far too polite. Really. I can't speak for T-Bone, but I was
> >surprised how drunk I got on that one Cosmopolitan.
> >Karen
>
> That's why the bartender said "are you sure?"   I've seen people get drunk
> on one regular gin martini.  If you aren't used to drinking, that's a lot
> of booze.

I guess. I drink a lot more than I used to--2 or 3 glasses of wine
every couple of days.

I regret nothing!!!

Karen

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 12:28:21PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
> Two audio cassette recordings of Bunting reading "Briggflats" and other
> poems are also available from Bloodaxe Books, ISBN 1 85224 528 X.

Damn It ... I reached all the way to Bloodaxe's website and couldn't
find the tapes ... Thank you, Alyce!


> If your browser has the "RealAudio" plug-in you can listen to a
> recording of Bunting reading a short poem, "At Briggflats meetinghouse".
>
> This is the Contents List of the tapes:
>        Tape 1: Studio Set - Side A
>
>        1. Briggflatts 59-74
>        Parts I, II & III
>
>        Running Time: 30.04
>
>        Tape 1: Studio Set - Side B
>
>        2. Briggflatts 75-81
>        continued: Parts IV, V & coda
>
>        3. Selected Odes -
>
>        'Dear be still' (I:9) 105
>        'Narciss, my numerous cancellations prefer' (I:1 I) 107
>        'An aries, an aries for my hiring' (I:12) 108
>        'On the Fly-Leaf of Pound's Cantos' (I:37) 132
>        'Mesh cast for mackerel' (I:22) 119
>        'The soil sandy and the plow light' (I:31) 126
>        'Let them remember Samangan' (I:32) 127
>        'These tracings from a world that's dead' (I:34) 129
>        'Stones trip Coquet burn' (II:10) 144
>
>        Running Time: 29.32
>
>
>        Tape 2: Live Set - Side A
>
>        4. Selected Odes & Overdrafts -
>
>        'Now we've no hope of going back' (II: 2)146
>        'You can't grip years, Posthume' (Overdrafts) 16 1
>        'Snow's on the feilside' (Overdrafts) 221
>        'A thrush in the syringa sings' (II:1) 135
>        '0, it is godlike to sit selfpossessed' (II:7) 141
>        'You idiot' (II:4) 138
>        'All the cants they peddle' (II:9) 143
>        'Stones trip Coquet burn' (II:10) 144
>        'Carmencita's tawny paps' (II:8) 142
>        'Southwind, tell her what' (I:29) 124
>        'You leave' (I:28) 123
>        'Two hundred and seven paces' (I:26) 122
>        'At Briggflatts meetinghouse' (II:11) 145
>        What the Chairman told Tom (II:6) 140
>
>        Running Time: 27.07
>
>
>        Tape 2: Live Set - Side B
>
>        5. Villon 25-29
>        6. The Spoils 47-58
>
>        Running Time: 34.22
>
>        Italicised numbers above are the page numbers of the poems
>        in Complete Poems by Basil Bunting (Bloodaxe Books, 2000).
>        Those in brackets are the poem numbers in his two Books of
>        Odes. Published by Bloodaxe Books Ltd, P.O. Box 1SN,
>        Newcastle upon Tyne NE99 1 SN

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bonniev said:
> > > I was afraid of him before I met him.  Or maybe I was just "in awe".
> >
> >And after meeting him?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> I was no longer afraid and not quite so much "in awe" either.

He polishes his head one ear at a time like we all do...

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>Karen Kay wrote:
>
> >>        Gotti?  Pete talks about him on his blog.  I want Pete to
> >>co-teach with me for a month or so and then reevaluate what
> >>Gotti has to say about the school environment.
> >>
> >
> > Heehee.:)
>
>
>         Actually, I think it would be a blast :).  I love co-teaching.

I think Pete would be a great co-teacher.

> >>>The way I took this is that past performance doesn't predict future
> >>>success. My take on it is that I had been very successful in my career
> >>>in the past, but things have changed. Optimism and resilience are the
> >>>only things that will help me get past this. (And these are the things
> >>>that make people like Rashmi say that I'm handling this well.)
> >>>
> >>        Yes.  And with teenagers, so so so much has to do with their age.
> >>
> >
> > In what way?
>
>
>         They've just got so much going on that focusing on schoolwork
> is sometimes nearly impossible.  Later in life, their
> priorities change and focusing on a profession is a higher
> priority.  I was a fairly indifferent student for most of my
> life, so I understand that many times it *is* just a matter
> of deciding something is important enough to do well at it.

Oh, right.

I don't think that's restricted to teenagers.

Karen

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> Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
> example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
> local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck. I'd be afraid to
> call Tushar.


Why? Tushar would be just as likely to want to go drinking as Brad, maybe
more so.

-a

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 04:11:39PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Tushar Samant writes,
>
> >I would vastly prefer it to reading a self-consciously tended blog.
>
> Blogs, of course, are by definition self-consciously tended, and I would
> imagine that you would vastly not prefer them. :)

I agree, since that's exactly what I said above ...

> >And I think you underestimate the number of people like me.
>
> Or you underestimate the number of people with taste as refined as yours. :)

That's a nice genteel way of saying "old fart taste" ...

> >What blog software do you recommend I run? Or is it better hosted
> >elsewhere?
>
> I'd recommend Movable Type <http://www.movabletype.org/>, at least
> until I've coded up a suitable alternative (which I'm doing for
> another project).  You can run it, or let me know if you want it
> hosted somewhere else.

Unless it proves to be way too complex to run, let's run everything
on one site.

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> Adam, do you still have old cassettes, too?  At least CDs are smaller.

I have about 40 cassettes or so. Some are in a rack in a hallway closet,
while others hide on the living room ledge behind the bookcase in the
corner.

> I
> have been listening to the Nield's with my new portable player. (Thanks,
> again!)  I guess Josh Groban isn't your style?

You're welcome for the Nields disc, of course. Josh is OK but he didn't
immediately enchant me. I should listen to it again.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>         Adam, you're in charge of weeding them out!

Beware my spear and magic helmet! Yes, magic helmet!

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Did we talk about spiders here? The average house has over 2000
> > spiders.
>
> I hope my apartment has less. Sometimes it seems that it has that many...but
> I catch those I can and bring them outside. The others get a burial at sea.

I don't see many spiders, I just see their works. I loved the huge one
that was outside my door, but sadly, it left for the winter.

> > More space is nice, especially storage space, but it all has
> > to be cleaned regularly.
>
> It was much easier for me to clean Grampa's big, spread-out house than it
> has been for me to clean this cramped, full apartment. I don't anticipate it
> being a problem in any house I move into, because I'll actually have room
> for stuff. And more importantly, room to put stuff away!

My problem is that my house is spread out enough I can walk 6,000
steps a day in it no problem, but if I don't look at something, I
forget about it. This is just the way I am. Thus the tale of the
rotted potatoes.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> That's one reason, btw, that (returning to
> something that was mentioned earlier) I don't believe that one's
> attitudes/behavior as a student are necessarily a predictor of one's
> attitudes/behavior in a job.  To me those are quite different
> situations.  If somebody has hired me and is paying me to do something,
> I will absolutely be conscientious about doing my best.  (And no, in my
> school years I didn't stop and think about taxpayer money that was
> <paying me> to go to school, etc. etc.)

I think you missed the point in a major way--and I think that lumping
attitudes and behavior together is a mistake.

The point that Csikszentmihalyi makes is that you need to have the
experience of activities that engage you, regardless of their content,
in order to be successful later on.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> > I'd recommend Movable Type <http://www.movabletype.org/>, at least
> > until I've coded up a suitable alternative (which I'm doing for
> > another project).  You can run it, or let me know if you want it
> > hosted somewhere else.
>
> Unless it proves to be way too complex to run, let's run everything
> on one site.

One site! Please.

Karen

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Anne and Karen, edited:

> > kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2
>
> It's probably a good thing I don't have a camera--I'd post pictures of
> my broccoli and my lettuce.
>
> Karen

All y'all can bite me. The snow is a third of the way up my living room
windows. It's knee-high outside.

My kingdom for a Subaru.


--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Karen wrote:
>
> My problem is that my house is spread out enough I can walk 6,000
> steps a day in it no problem, but if I don't look at something, I
> forget about it. This is just the way I am. Thus the tale of the
> rotted potatoes.

Here too. But I think I have no rotted potatoes. I often find things
that are very, very old, but they are papers, not potatoes.

alyce

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 01:57:28PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> Posted at <http://www.istori.com/log/>:
>
> A social list I'm on is discussing how to find and invite a few new
> interesting folks to the list. One of the proposals is to create a blog
> where some of the more engaging posts can go, so people on the web can
> find us better via searches or RSS. A concomitant worry amongst the folks
> who haven't had experience with blogs is that the existence of the blog
> might splinter the group and its discussions into the blog group and the
> list group, and end up dissipating the group entirely.

Do you mean Harwell? The above wasn't Harwell's point at all. And
who hasn't had experience with blogs? Come on ...

Let's separate the three different issues here. One is the *general*
question: how to make the list better known. Some people might say
the question is how to make it more attractive to interesting people--
though in my opinion, making it "more attractive" would be false
advertising. The other two are specific questions: what to have up
on words-l.org--increasing the visibility of the list being one of
several different aims of the site. Again, in my opinion, words-l.org
WAS meant to be a group memory, and the visibility issue is the new
one. The third and completely separate issue is, what is a "words-l
blog" and what effect will it have on words-l? I know your answer to
all three: words-l will become more visible and attractive to interes-
ting people by hosting a "gang blog" on the words-l site. I think,
on the contrary, that setting up a blog won't at all be followed by
its getting populated with words-l kind of entries. Understand that
the words-l population is a result of self-selection too. They don't
strike me as the kind of people who "blog an interesting thought";
they post it. Which was my reason for continuing and encouraging
the WHTM tradition: I post something which Rita thinks is the most
awesome thing ever posted--I am giving this example because it
happens all the time--hence she "blogs" it. THIS is what will
build up a corpus with the words-l personality.

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 04:56:16PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > > I'd recommend Movable Type <http://www.movabletype.org/>, at least
> > > until I've coded up a suitable alternative (which I'm doing for
> > > another project).  You can run it, or let me know if you want it
> > > hosted somewhere else.
> >
> > Unless it proves to be way too complex to run, let's run everything
> > on one site.
>
> One site! Please.

I don't know what's going on ... I sent of the rent check yesterday,
but no "directions for use" yet ... dammit I am waiting ...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>I believe Gatto would approve of group projects and being silly as good
>>>ways to learn.
>>>
>>        It's hard to pull off and requires a tremendous amount of energy.
>>
>
> That's one thing that I think people who haven't taught might not be not
> be fully aware of.  They might think that the hardest thing to do is
> stand in front of a class and <lecture>, when it fact that is by far the
> easiest thing to do.


        Unfortunately, I don't like to lecture.  I find it boring and
it puts me to sleep.  Which also means I'm not that great at it.



--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > > That's a good enough reason to return it.
> >
> > Not in my world.
>
> That's why they call it Mutant City...

I must say that I would rather live in Mutant City than in Tacky City.
Do you also buy clothes to wear to a party and then return them after
the party, deciding they just aren't you?

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > Did we talk about spiders here? The average house has over 2000
> > spiders.
>
> I hope my apartment has less. Sometimes it seems that it has that many...but
> I catch those I can and bring them outside. The others get a burial at sea.

Spiders are good to have around.  They are said to eat the bad bugs.

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> The kids came to shovel and reported to me that a snowplow took out my
> mailbox post. This means no mail out, no mail in.

The towns around here each have a mailbox destruction restitution fund. See
if you can make a claim to the municipality which does the plowing. That
does nothing for the inconvenience, but it's better than having no mailbox
AND having to pay for a new one.

The postal worker won't see the stub of a post and deliver the mail to your
porch, at least?

--Adam

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bonniev wrote:
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> > > I was no longer afraid and not quite so much "in awe" either.
> >
> >Was it his toes that changed you?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Nope.  Never saw his toes.

You really should've been at Wordstock.  I can't imagine Tushykins in
shoes.  When I think of him, I think of those wonderful bare feet
tromping around in the grass and in the cow barn and wherever else we
were.

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At 04:07 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >Betty said:
> > > > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> > >
> > >My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> >
> > I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
>
>He's far too polite. Really. I can't speak for T-Bone, but I was
>surprised how drunk I got on that one Cosmopolitan.

You're a cheap date!  (Except for dim sum.)

Betty

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At 06:13 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>Betty said:
>>> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
>>>
>>>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
>>
>>
>>I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
>
>
>        The Swedes are like that.

I thought he was Indian.

Betty

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:07:06PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!
>
> Especially since the last 200 would only be maybe a 4-hour slice.

I was talking more like the last 15 days, exactly what's available from
Ra right now. K-R-N, I humbly submit that yours is an eccentric viewpoint,
what with your having some absolute reason--never articulated--for not
inviting any person from another list over. The point was settled in my
mind when you gave Marty as an example of why such invitations are bad.

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> You almost need snowblowers on the Interstates because you have to get it
> far enough off the road.

The night before the first SnowBash, there was a big storm, and since I
lived on a terrace, the city couldn't plow the snow onto either the sidewalk
or the terrace, so they used a giant snowblower attached to a road grader.
I've never seen anything like it before or since. It was huge. It made
perfectly vertical edges in the snow.

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield said:
> Anne and Karen, edited:
> > > kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
> > >
> > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2
> >
> > It's probably a good thing I don't have a camera--I'd post pictures of
> > my broccoli and my lettuce.
> >
> > Karen
>
> All y'all can bite me.

LOL. When I told my sister about picking tomatoes before I left for
MI, she gave a look and said, "That's just unnatural."

> The snow is a third of the way up my living room
> windows. It's knee-high outside.
>
> My kingdom for a Subaru.

I have to push water out of the tarp covering the boat before it rains
again. If I'm going to get drenched, I'd rather it be at least in the
60's instead of the 30's.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen wrote:
> > My problem is that my house is spread out enough I can walk 6,000
> > steps a day in it no problem, but if I don't look at something, I
> > forget about it. This is just the way I am. Thus the tale of the
> > rotted potatoes.
>
> Here too. But I think I have no rotted potatoes. I often find things
> that are very, very old, but they are papers, not potatoes.

Well, there's that. Or there's the buying of dishwashing liquid and
then discovering I already had some stashed. I'm trying to get better
at that.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > That's one reason, btw, that (returning to
> > something that was mentioned earlier) I don't believe that one's
> > attitudes/behavior as a student are necessarily a predictor of one's
> > attitudes/behavior in a job.  To me those are quite different
> > situations.  If somebody has hired me and is paying me to do something,
> > I will absolutely be conscientious about doing my best.  (And no, in my
> > school years I didn't stop and think about taxpayer money that was
> > <paying me> to go to school, etc. etc.)
>
> I think you missed the point in a major way--and I think that lumping
> attitudes and behavior together is a mistake.

I think that attitudes and behavior are quite often a lump.  But please
tell me how I missed Rita's point?  Here's what I was responding to:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >   I was a fairly indifferent student for most of my
> > life, so I understand that many times it *is* just a matter
> > of deciding something is important enough to do well at it.

> The point that Csikszentmihalyi makes is that you need to have the
> experience of activities that engage you, regardless of their content,
> in order to be successful later on.

I don't know Csikszenwhatshisface and don't know anything about what
point he was making.   I was responding to Rita, not to Mr.
Csikwhatever.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Well, there's that. Or there's the buying of dishwashing liquid and
> then discovering I already had some stashed. I'm trying to get better
> at that.

I don't see that as a problem unless you don't have enough storage space
-- and assuming you're buying things that you will ultimately use.

--
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> Spiders are good to have around.  They are said to eat the bad bugs.

My brain knows this, but not the part of me that squiks at seeing something
alive and moving where something alive and moving shouldn't be.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> who hasn't had experience with blogs? Come on ...

Depends on what you mean by "experience with blogs."  I looked at a few
when we were talking here about blogs a while back.  Does that mean I
have experience with them?  They struck me as being personal web pages
with regular diary entries.  I found it difficult to get very excited
about them.

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:03:20PM -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
> My friend Austin blogger friend Adina <http://levin.blogspot.com/>

Unrelated entry from this:

>>> DUCKY'S LAWS OF EMAIL
>>>
>>> 1. People are more efficient when related messages are
>>> grouped together and the groups are in rough priority
>>> order.
>>>
>>> 2. People want to be able to see all their "to-do"
>>> messages -- ones that they need to read, respond to, or
>>> act upon -- easily.
>>>
>>> 3. (or maybe 2b). When a message has no more pending
>>> actions, people want to remove it from their list of
>>> "to-do" messages.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> 6. The faster and better a Search tool is, the less
>>> important it is to file messaages.
>>>
>>> 7. Fuzzy-logic or "scoring" filters are much more accurate
>>> than the "sudden death" filters that most email clients
>>> now have.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> 9. Messages that are to you and only you are usually more
>>> important than messages where you're one of many
>>> recipients.
>>>
>>> 10. Some people (e.g. customer service reps) answer the
>>> same questions over and over, but computers are not quite
>>> smart enough to be able to figure out which response is
>>> appropriate.

Apart from a few truisms, I can't think of anything more
wrong and misguided than this. I especially question the
understanding of anybody who can say #6. And I am afraid
every such thing I read on a blog strengthens my feeling
that there is such a thing as a "blogger personality". I
can't say I am finding too many insights about people's
net habits from the blogger personality. And the general
assessment of "how blogs are changing bloggers' lives"
sounds the same as remarks about how email changes lives
12, 13, 15 years ago.

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On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 10:46:28PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Is snit the past tense of snide?

Please don't post drunk.

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> LOL. When I told my sister about picking tomatoes before I left for
> MI, she gave a look and said, "That's just unnatural."

She's right.

> I have to push water out of the tarp covering the boat before it rains
> again. If I'm going to get drenched, I'd rather it be at least in the
> 60's instead of the 30's.

Siphon it off?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 05:19:05AM -0800, Betty wrote:
> At 10:31 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> >Today being a slow day, I let myself start one more Bookworm game.
> >Wouldn't you know it, several bonus words lined themselves up early, always
> >a good start to a good score.  Three or four hours later, and...
>
> Glad things are loosening up for you! Don't play that game any more.
> Go for a walk.

Why don't YOU not play the mother hen game? damn, Ken is a big boy...

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> the WHTM tradition: I post something which Rita thinks is the most
> awesome thing ever posted--I am giving this example because it
> happens all the time--hence she "blogs" it. THIS is what will
> build up a corpus with the words-l personality.

This is such a good idea - bloggers and blogees, nobody hardly ever blogs
themselves [sic]

Now I really want a words-l blog.

Ann

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> I was talking more like the last 15 days, exactly what's available from
> Ra right now.

Is it?  I keep forgetting to check.  Campus offices have been open for
two days now, but Monday, the begining of classes, is when things really
get back to normal -- and when I might march on FWP's office and demand
that he get his underlings to fix whatever they broke.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > > That's a good enough reason to return it.
> > >
> > > Not in my world.
> >
> > That's why they call it Mutant City...
>
> I must say that I would rather live in Mutant City than in Tacky City.
> Do you also buy clothes to wear to a party and then return them after
> the party, deciding they just aren't you?

Why are you making this all about me? I didn't say I return stuff
because I'm unable to figure it out. You really do deliberately try to
view me in the worst possible light, and I wonder why.

Karen

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Betty said:
> At 04:07 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Betty said:
> > > At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > >Betty said:
> > > > > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> > > >
> > > >My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> > >
> > > I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
> >
> >He's far too polite. Really. I can't speak for T-Bone, but I was
> >surprised how drunk I got on that one Cosmopolitan.
>
> You're a cheap date!  (Except for dim sum.)

I don't eat a lot!

Karen

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Betty said:
> At 06:13 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >Betty wrote:
> >
> >>At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>>Betty said:
> >>> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> >>>
> >>>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
> >
> >
> >        The Swedes are like that.
>
> I thought he was Indian.

He lives in a Swedish neighborhood. Oh! You missed my reports!!!

I'm moving in with Tushar.

Karen

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 06:13:30PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>> I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> >>
> >>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> >
> >
> >I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
>
>        The Swedes are like that.

That's probably truer than you think ... afraid of this, afraid
of that, always afraid ... perhaps Minnesota is the most afraid
place in the world ... Something to think about ...

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In a message dated 01/04/2003 12:00:09 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Maybe I'll name it if it stops running when I open the door.


>>

Maybe you should name it after Wilma Rudolph.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:07:06PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!
> >
> > Especially since the last 200 would only be maybe a 4-hour slice.
>
> I was talking more like the last 15 days, exactly what's available from
> Ra right now. K-R-N, I humbly submit that yours is an eccentric viewpoint,
> what with your having some absolute reason--never articulated--for not
> inviting any person from another list over. The point was settled in my
> mind when you gave Marty as an example of why such invitations are bad.

I just would never invite anyone I already knew to participate in
Words-L. I guess because it seems too fraught for misunderstanding.
What if they got flamed, like Janet did? I'd feel <responsible>, like
I should rescue them. And like that.

Karen

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 05:25:45PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> He lives in a Swedish neighborhood. Oh! You missed my reports!!!

It is not a Swedish neighborhood! Damn it ...

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Well, there's that. Or there's the buying of dishwashing liquid and
> > then discovering I already had some stashed. I'm trying to get better
> > at that.
>
> I don't see that as a problem unless you don't have enough storage space
> -- and assuming you're buying things that you will ultimately use.

The problem is that I have no income.

Karen

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 04:19:59PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > >My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> > >Karen
>
> If Tushar got me drunk, he should be afraid of -me-!

You don't scare me, Dr Borkin!

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > LOL. When I told my sister about picking tomatoes before I left for
> > MI, she gave a look and said, "That's just unnatural."
>
> She's right.

:) I'll consider that theory while I eat my fresh salad made with
garden greens...

> > I have to push water out of the tarp covering the boat before it rains
> > again. If I'm going to get drenched, I'd rather it be at least in the
> > 60's instead of the 30's.
>
> Siphon it off?

It's more efficient to use a pail on a rope--but inevitable some of
the water gets on me. I'm going to have to mow my lawn again, soon,
too.

I haven't planted my tulips yet, either. I suppose tomorrow will be
soon enough.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 05:25:45PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > He lives in a Swedish neighborhood. Oh! You missed my reports!!!
>
> It is not a Swedish neighborhood! Damn it ...

It *says* it's Swedish. That's good enough for me. I'm still moving in
with you.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > That's a good enough reason to return it.
> > > >
> > > > Not in my world.
> > >
> > > That's why they call it Mutant City...
> >
> > I must say that I would rather live in Mutant City than in Tacky City.
> > Do you also buy clothes to wear to a party and then return them after
> > the party, deciding they just aren't you?
>
> Why are you making this all about me?

Because you're the one who suggested that one should return something
after deciding he/she didn't want to keep it.  I didn't just pick you
out of the blue.

> I didn't say I return stuff
> because I'm unable to figure it out. You really do deliberately try to
> view me in the worst possible light, and I wonder why.

You certainly seemed to suggest that that's what I should do.  I must
have misread.  I had the distinct feeling from what you wrote that you
think it's mutant not to return something that you don't want to keep.
I don't get why you think I'm trying to view you in the worst possible
light.

To repeat what I said earlier:  You may find it mutant to take
responsibility for your own bad decisions rather than rushing back to
the innocent merchants for a refund.  I prefer being mutant to being
tacky, which is what I think it would be to return something that wasn't
defective or misrepresented or whatever.

I find it hilarious, btw, that you think I'm the one trying to view you
in a bad light.  I certainly didn't toss the first stone.  You're the
one who said it was mutant to have the kinds of scruples I have.  Well,
I find it tacky not to.  Iow, I tossed the second stone, not the first
one.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>I have to push water out of the tarp covering the boat before it rains
>again. If I'm going to get drenched, I'd rather it be at least in the
>60's instead of the 30's.       --Karen

Drenched?  Knee-high snow does not "drench".   I had to wade through the
thigh-high snow in the back yard to uncover the light sensor that is
controlling our Christmas lights.  I shoveled snow off the deck and buried
it, causing it to think it was dusk and time to light up.   While I was in
this deep snow, I thought I'd make a snow angel.  So I flopped down on my
back and waved my wings.   However, I don't remember it being quite that
hard to get back up when I was seven-years-old.  Still looks pretty good,
though.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> To repeat what I said earlier:  You may find it mutant to take
> responsibility for your own bad decisions rather than rushing back to
> the innocent merchants for a refund.  I prefer being mutant to being
> tacky, which is what I think it would be to return something that wasn't
> defective or misrepresented or whatever.


        Actually, I think it is wasteful.  You know the store just
repackages the item and resells it.  They're not out
anything.  Then somebody who can use the item presumably
buys it.  If you hold onto it and don't use it, then you're
wasting the resources required to manufacture the remote.
Somebody should at least use it before it gets thrown out
ten years from now when you're cleaning out a junk drawer.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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bonniev wrote:
>   I had to wade through the
> thigh-high snow in the back yard to uncover the light sensor that is
> controlling our Christmas lights.

And you seemed not to like abht's backyard pictures?  I find it
fascinating how different human beings are in their attitudes.  I can't
imagine preferring wading through thigh-high snow to strolling through a
beautiful, snow-free yard.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 01/04/2003 9:38:23 AM Central Standard Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
Hm, I don't use that often.  What is gad anyway?
A cheap way of swearing?


>>

I think it means God.  William Powell used it quite a bit
in the movie version of Life with Father.  I always love to
see him in movies; he could perform a great range of
roles; I wish I could have seen him as the seducer in
Romola with one of the Gish sisters.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Actually, I think it is wasteful.  You know the store just
> repackages the item and resells it.  They're not out
> anything.

Are they not out the cost of the repackaging?  I would think they would
be.

> Somebody should at least use it before it gets thrown out
> ten years from now when you're cleaning out a junk drawer.

I clean out junk drawers far more often that that.  And, unless
something is truly unsuable by anybody, I <throw away> to the Salvation
Army, not to the dump.

--
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bonniev said:
> >I have to push water out of the tarp covering the boat before it rains
> >again. If I'm going to get drenched, I'd rather it be at least in the
> >60's instead of the 30's.       --Karen
>
> Drenched?  Knee-high snow does not "drench".

I was talking about the conditions under which I need to drain the
boat. Not about snow. Though knee-high snow does surely drench if you
don't have waterproof clothing, which I don't.

> this deep snow, I thought I'd make a snow angel.  So I flopped down on my
> back and waved my wings.   However, I don't remember it being quite that
> hard to get back up when I was seven-years-old.  Still looks pretty good,
> though.

:)

Karen

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In a message dated 01/04/2003 8:08:25 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Actually, I think it is wasteful.  You know the store just
> repackages the item and resells it.  They're not out
> anything.

Are they not out the cost of the repackaging?  I would think they would
be.


>>

Sears would ship it back to the manufacturer as damaged goods.  We
used to resell it at 20% off, but that was stopped last year.  Only
certain items are resold, and remotes are too cheap for that.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

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>fascinating how different human beings are in their attitudes.  I can't
>imagine preferring wading through thigh-high snow to strolling through a
>beautiful, snow-free yard.      -- Natalie

I can't imagine wanting to live in a place where month after month, year
after year, the weather varies not  much at all.  I can't imagine putting
up with having to cut the lawn in January.  I think perhaps you saw
different pictures if you think Anne has lush grass in her back yard.


    --bonniev

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>Tushar Samant said:
>>  On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:07:06PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>  > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>  >
>>  > > I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!
>>  >
>>  > Especially since the last 200 would only be maybe a 4-hour slice.
>>
>>  I was talking more like the last 15 days, exactly what's available from
>>  Ra right now. K-R-N, I humbly submit that yours is an eccentric viewpoint,
>>  what with your having some absolute reason--never articulated--for not
>>  inviting any person from another list over. The point was settled in my
>>  mind when you gave Marty as an example of why such invitations are bad.
>
>I just would never invite anyone I already knew to participate in
>Words-L. I guess because it seems too fraught for misunderstanding.
>What if they got flamed, like Janet did? I'd feel <responsible>, like
>I should rescue them. And like that.

<nod> The person I know who would fit in best here is my ex-husband,
but that would be a little uncomfortable. I did suggest to my friend
Paul the other day that he might like to check it out, but he was
daunted by the message volume.

Janet

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 06:23:36PM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> >Tushar Samant said:
> >> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:07:06PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> >> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!
> >> >
> >> > Especially since the last 200 would only be maybe a 4-hour slice.
> >>
> >> I was talking more like the last 15 days, exactly what's available
> >> from Ra right now. K-R-N, I humbly submit that yours is an eccentric
> >> viewpoint, what with your having some absolute reason--never
> >> articulated--for not inviting any person from another list over.
> >> The point was settled in my mind when you gave Marty as an example
> >> of why such invitations are bad.
> >
> >I just would never invite anyone I already knew to participate in
> >Words-L. I guess because it seems too fraught for misunderstanding.
> >What if they got flamed, like Janet did? I'd feel <responsible>, like
> >I should rescue them. And like that.
>
> <nod> The person I know who would fit in best here is my ex-husband,
> but that would be a little uncomfortable. I did suggest to my friend
> Paul the other day that he might like to check it out, but he was
> daunted by the message volume.

So there is no absolute reason not to invite people... Sure got
the wrong idea from K-R-N's post, which said someting like "NO
WAY. PERIOD."

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bonniev wrote:

> I can't imagine wanting to live in a place where month after month, year
> after year, the weather varies not  much at all.

I wouldn't like that either.  I enjoy the season changes, although at
times like right now I'm always very eager for this season to end.  I'm
ready for spring.

>  I can't imagine putting
> up with having to cut the lawn in January.  I think perhaps you saw
> different pictures if you think Anne has lush grass in her back yard.

Me?  I didn't say anything about "lush," did I?  I thought I said that
the grass looked fine and that I would like to be out there playing with
the cat in that yard.  Grass rarely looks lush in winter in my
experience, except maybe in yards where people plant "winter grass,"
which is something I have never even remotely considered doing since I
enjoy not having to cut the grass.  That's one of the few things I like
about winter.

--
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bonniev said:
> I can't imagine wanting to live in a place where month after month, year
> after year, the weather varies not  much at all.

I've never lived anywhere "the weather varies not  much at all". That
might be true on the Poles, I guess. Texas has the most varied,
dramatic weather of anywhere I have ever lived.

> I can't imagine putting
> up with having to cut the lawn in January.

And some people hate shoveling snow.

> I think perhaps you saw
> different pictures if you think Anne has lush grass in her back yard.

What do you think your grass looks like under that snow?

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> So there is no absolute reason not to invite people... Sure got
> the wrong idea from K-R-N's post, which said someting like "NO
> WAY. PERIOD."

I would never invite anyone from my real life here--but that doesn't
mean other people shouldn't.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>  I was a fairly indifferent student for most of my
>>life, so I understand that many times it *is* just a matter
>>of deciding something is important enough to do well at it.
>>
>
> Me too.  I think the fact that I was a goof-off student for much of the
> time, though with occasional interludes of caring, is an asset in
> teaching.  It gives me certain insights I might not have if I had always
> been conscientious.  That's one reason, btw, that (returning to
> something that was mentioned earlier) I don't believe that one's
> attitudes/behavior as a student are necessarily a predictor of one's
> attitudes/behavior in a job.  To me those are quite different
> situations.  If somebody has hired me and is paying me to do something,
> I will absolutely be conscientious about doing my best.  (And no, in my
> school years I didn't stop and think about taxpayer money that was
> <paying me> to go to school, etc. etc.)


        I think what the author of Karen's book would argue is that
students need the experience of caring about something and
doing a good job on it to know what they are capable of
should they choose to put forth their best effort.  I was at
an IEP recently for a student who is possibly the laziest
boy I have ever met, but is really very sweet.  The other
teachers were really down on him, and I could see the mom
feeling a little hopeless (at this age, students are
supposed to go to their IEP's, but he refuses because he
doesn't want to listen to it all).  He was very shocked to
find out that I said he was the laziest thing on two legs,
but one of these days he would find something that
interested in him and he'd be fine.  I know that because he
did a persuasive essay on a topic near and dear to his heart
for me and he worked very, very hard on it. I occasionally
have lunch with one of the teachers who was very down on him
and I think she was a little taken aback by my spin on this
kid, but I really believe he'll end up a happy well-adjusted
adult even if he never sets the world on fire.

        But yes, I find the experience of being indifferent in my
studies is very useful in teaching.  I think I have a more
balanced perspective.  I can also do things like tell my
remedials that *I* was in the remedial English class in high
school -- that blows them away.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Tushar Samant said:
>>
>>>  On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:07:06PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>>>  > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  > > I think the last 200 would put anyone off. That's all!
>>>  >
>>>  > Especially since the last 200 would only be maybe a 4-hour slice.
>>>
>>>  I was talking more like the last 15 days, exactly what's available from
>>>  Ra right now. K-R-N, I humbly submit that yours is an eccentric
>>> viewpoint,
>>>  what with your having some absolute reason--never articulated--for not
>>>  inviting any person from another list over. The point was settled in my
>>>  mind when you gave Marty as an example of why such invitations are bad.
>>
>>
>> I just would never invite anyone I already knew to participate in
>> Words-L. I guess because it seems too fraught for misunderstanding.
>> What if they got flamed, like Janet did? I'd feel <responsible>, like
>> I should rescue them. And like that.
>
>
> <nod> The person I know who would fit in best here is my ex-husband,
> but that would be a little uncomfortable. I did suggest to my friend
> Paul the other day that he might like to check it out, but he was
> daunted by the message volume.


        I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with people who know me in
real life seeing me as I am on words-l.  I'm more "me" here
than I am with most people.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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At 06:53 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
> > example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
> > local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck. I'd be afraid to
> > call Tushar.
>
>
>Why? Tushar would be just as likely to want to go drinking as Brad, maybe
>more so.

Yes, but Brad is friendly and Tushar is scary to me.

Betty

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In-Reply-To: <3E179C80.4090603@swbell.net> from Rita Chapman at "Jan 4,
             2003  8:46:24 pm"
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Rita Chapman said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Rita Chapman wrote:
> >>  I was a fairly indifferent student for most of my
> >>life, so I understand that many times it *is* just a matter
> >>of deciding something is important enough to do well at it.
> >>
> >
> > Me too.  I think the fact that I was a goof-off student for much of the
> > time, though with occasional interludes of caring, is an asset in
> > teaching.  It gives me certain insights I might not have if I had always
> > been conscientious.  That's one reason, btw, that (returning to
> > something that was mentioned earlier) I don't believe that one's
> > attitudes/behavior as a student are necessarily a predictor of one's
> > attitudes/behavior in a job.  To me those are quite different
> > situations.  If somebody has hired me and is paying me to do something,
> > I will absolutely be conscientious about doing my best.  (And no, in my
> > school years I didn't stop and think about taxpayer money that was
> > <paying me> to go to school, etc. etc.)
>
>
>         I think what the author of Karen's book would argue is that
> students need the experience of caring about something and
> doing a good job on it to know what they are capable of
> should they choose to put forth their best effort.

That's my understanding, too.

> I was at an IEP recently for a student who is possibly the laziest
> boy I have ever met, but is really very sweet.  The other teachers
> were really down on him, and I could see the mom feeling a little
> hopeless (at this age, students are supposed to go to their IEP's,
> but he refuses because he doesn't want to listen to it all).

What is IEP?

>         But yes, I find the experience of being indifferent in my
> studies is very useful in teaching.  I think I have a more
> balanced perspective.  I can also do things like tell my
> remedials that *I* was in the remedial English class in high
> school -- that blows them away.

Yes, when I was teaching college I used the experience of flunking
out.

Karen

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 Rita Chapman wrote:
         Actually, I think it is wasteful.  You know the store just
repackages the item and resells it.  They're not out anything.

I agree with you and I would return the remote.... but I don't have
Natalie's scruples or the money to waste by tossing a useful tool into a
drawer to be thrown out later.

In my world, remotes are quite returnable if they cannot make the
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Sly
who's wondering why ANYONE on Words-l would complain about snideness.
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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 08:48:15PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>   I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with people who know me in
> real life seeing me as I am on words-l.  I'm more "me" here
> than I am with most people.

We have drifted quite far now ... the topic as I recall was
about inviting people from other LISTS (or newsgroups).

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:


>
> What is IEP?
>


        An IEP is an Individualized Education Plan.  If a child
qualifies as disabled in some way, then the school is
required by law to individualize their instruction in order
to guarantee equal access to an education.  The plan must be
revisited once a year.  So, imagine this:  I have 48
students with IEP's, all of which have various special
accomodations written into them that I am required by law to
keep track of and adhere to.  The form has about 100
different accomodations on it that can be checked in any
combination, not to mention specially written ones.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 08:48:15PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>  I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with people who know me in
>>real life seeing me as I am on words-l.  I'm more "me" here
>>than I am with most people.
>>
>
> We have drifted quite far now ... the topic as I recall was
> about inviting people from other LISTS (or newsgroups).


        Gadzooks! People have time for another LIST?  I'm in awe.




--
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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:01:36PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> >Why? Tushar would be just as likely to want to go drinking as Brad, maybe
> >more so.
>
> Yes, but Brad is friendly and Tushar is scary to me.

I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!

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Betty said:
> At 06:53 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
> > > example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
> > > local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck. I'd be afraid to
> > > call Tushar.
> >
> >
> >Why? Tushar would be just as likely to want to go drinking as Brad, maybe
> >more so.
>
> Yes, but Brad is friendly and Tushar is scary to me.

Tushar has extremely good manners and he's very kind. I highly
recommend him as a companion for an afternoon--or the rest of your
life.:)

Karen

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:


> Sly
> who's wondering why ANYONE on Words-l would complain about snideness.
> Wordslers have often been snide, snippy and snotty.


        That's part of being a crank of old farts.

        Sly, you should hop over and take a look at Pete's blog.  He
has some recent entries on the commodification of women that
you may find interesting.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
> going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!

I'll tell you what would scare me, beer glasses with weird shapes,  big
enough to put babies in.  I'd rather wear a prosthetic nose!

Ann

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Sly, you should hop over and take a look at Pete's blog.  He
> has some recent entries on the commodification of women that
> you may find interesting.

Did I forget to tell you?  I come in a neat package and can be rented for
a modest price.  (As information retriever, of course)

Ann

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At 09:08 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:01:36PM -0800, Betty wrote:
> > >Why? Tushar would be just as likely to want to go drinking as Brad, maybe
> > >more so.
> >
> > Yes, but Brad is friendly and Tushar is scary to me.
>
>I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
>going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!


Come to Santa Rosa.

Betty

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > What is IEP?
>
>         An IEP is an Individualized Education Plan.  If a child
> qualifies as disabled in some way, then the school is
> required by law to individualize their instruction in order
> to guarantee equal access to an education.  The plan must be
> revisited once a year.  So, imagine this:  I have 48
> students with IEP's, all of which have various special
> accomodations written into them that I am required by law to
> keep track of and adhere to.  The form has about 100
> different accomodations on it that can be checked in any
> combination, not to mention specially written ones.

OHMIGOD! This is a joke, right?

For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.

Karen

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Sly, you should hop over and take a look at Pete's blog.  He
>>has some recent entries on the commodification of women that
>>you may find interesting.
>>
>
> Did I forget to tell you?  I come in a neat package and can be rented for
> a modest price.  (As information retriever, of course)
>


        Whore.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Tushar Samant said:
> I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
> going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!

She is extremely entertaining IRL.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>What is IEP?
>>>
>>        An IEP is an Individualized Education Plan.  If a child
>>qualifies as disabled in some way, then the school is
>>required by law to individualize their instruction in order
>>to guarantee equal access to an education.  The plan must be
>>revisited once a year.  So, imagine this:  I have 48
>>students with IEP's, all of which have various special
>>accomodations written into them that I am required by law to
>>keep track of and adhere to.  The form has about 100
>>different accomodations on it that can be checked in any
>>combination, not to mention specially written ones.
>>
>
> OHMIGOD! This is a joke, right?


        Nope.  This is my life :).


> For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
> white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.


        I have chalkboards in my room (I'm in the 1917 section of the
building).  Have you tried white board cleaner?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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That's a pretty stupid name, don't you think?  Kind of a cartoonish parody
of Radiohead.

But today I was charmed into buying the cd and I really really like it so
there.

Ann

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http://epc.uncg.edu/resources/howto/whiteboards.html says to use brake
fluid.

Karen

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As we sit here amid some what?  15?  20?  inches of new snow, in the mail
today came the announcement by the Island Inn on Monhegan Island of their
operating schedule and room rates for 2003.  It is still remarkable to me
that the July 4th period is <not> in their high season.  Hmmm.

cwv

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Whore.

Excuse me, I merit the capitals:  WHORE.

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
> > going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!
>
> I'll tell you what would scare me, beer glasses with weird shapes,  big
> enough to put babies in.  I'd rather wear a prosthetic nose!

Maybe instead of cats-eye glasses you should get a clown nose?

Karen

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At 05:25 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > At 06:13 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > >Betty wrote:
> > >
> > >>At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Betty said:
> > >>> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> > >>>
> > >>>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
> > >
> > >
> > >        The Swedes are like that.
> >
> > I thought he was Indian.
>
>He lives in a Swedish neighborhood. Oh! You missed my reports!!!

Blog it.  Can I read it in the archives?

Betty

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Maybe instead of cats-eye glasses you should get a clown nose?

Sure!  And you should wear fried eggs, sunnyside up, on your shoulders!

Ann

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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>Karen Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>>What is IEP?
> >>>
> >>        An IEP is an Individualized Education Plan.  If a child
> >>qualifies as disabled in some way, then the school is
> >>required by law to individualize their instruction in order
> >>to guarantee equal access to an education.  The plan must be
> >>revisited once a year.  So, imagine this:  I have 48
> >>students with IEP's, all of which have various special
> >>accomodations written into them that I am required by law to
> >>keep track of and adhere to.  The form has about 100
> >>different accomodations on it that can be checked in any
> >>combination, not to mention specially written ones.
> >>
> >
> > OHMIGOD! This is a joke, right?
>
>
>         Nope.  This is my life :).

Yes, well.

No wonder you're tired all the time.

> > For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
> > white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.
>
>         I have chalkboards in my room (I'm in the 1917 section of the
> building).  Have you tried white board cleaner?

Yep. I think I'll try 409, and then brake fluid.

Karen

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Betty said:
> At 05:25 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >Betty said:
> > > At 06:13 PM 1/4/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> > > >Betty wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>At 03:48 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Betty said:
> > > >>> > I'd be afraid to call Tushar.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>My lovely Tushar? How could you be afraid of him???
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm afraid he would get me intoxicated and take advantage.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >        The Swedes are like that.
> > >
> > > I thought he was Indian.
> >
> >He lives in a Swedish neighborhood. Oh! You missed my reports!!!
>
> Blog it.  Can I read it in the archives?

Yes. The thread is something like How Tushar Stole My Virginity...

Karen

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:00:09PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar has extremely good manners and he's very kind. I highly
> recommend him as a companion for an afternoon--or the rest of your
> life.:)

Can I put this on my resume?

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They say it ain't over till it's over, but Madden & Co. have started
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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:09:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
> > going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!
>
> She is extremely entertaining IRL.

What's this, some kind of name-dropping?

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Maybe instead of cats-eye glasses you should get a clown nose?
>
> Sure!  And you should wear fried eggs, sunnyside up, on your shoulders!

I'd rather wear my clown nose. Waste not, want not.

Dang, "Twister" is on TV. It was filmed in Texas you know.

Karen

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On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:

> Can I read it in the archives?

http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
Karen Kay.

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:00:09PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar has extremely good manners and he's very kind. I highly
> > recommend him as a companion for an afternoon--or the rest of your
> > life.:)
>
> Can I put this on my resume?

Sure. Cite me.:)

Karen

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 09:13:16PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>        That's part of being a crank of old farts.

Nice "term of venery" ...

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Tushar Samant said:
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:09:30PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > I find friendly people like Brad very scary. On the other hand
> > > going drinking with Dr Borkin would not scare me AT ALL!
> >
> > She is extremely entertaining IRL.
>
> What's this, some kind of name-dropping?

It was supposed to be encouragement. BUT NEVER MIND.

Karen

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:
> > Can I read it in the archives?
>
> http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
> Karen Kay.

Whoa! You've been busy!

I like that color green.

Karen

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At 07:57 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Michael E. Macmillan said:
> > On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:
> > > Can I read it in the archives?
> >
> > http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
> > Karen Kay.
>
>Whoa! You've been busy!
>
>I like that color green.

Good job, mem!

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On 4 Jan 2003 at 20:39, Betty wrote:

> Good job, mem!

Don't try to use meaningless compliments now to make up for not
including me on your list of people you'd call up to have a drink
with.

     mem

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> Don't try to use meaningless compliments now to make up for not
> including me on your list of people you'd call up to have a drink
> with.

Come away from the little rock you live on and we'll talk...

Karen

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Betty:

>Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
>example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
>local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.

Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?

-rashmi

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On 4 Jan 2003 at 20:45, Karen Kay wrote:

> Come away from the little rock you live on and we'll talk...

I don't even plan to come out from the rock I live under, let alone
leave the one I live on.

   mem

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At 06:47 PM 1/4/2003 -1000, you wrote:
>On 4 Jan 2003 at 20:39, Betty wrote:
>
> > Good job, mem!
>
>Don't try to use meaningless compliments now to make up for not
>including me on your list of people you'd call up to have a drink
>with.

Any time.  It's your turn.

Betty

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At 05:02 AM 1/5/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>Betty:
>
>>Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
>>example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
>>local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.
>
>Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?

It's an old one.

Betty

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Betty:
> >Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
> >example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
> >local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.
>
> Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?

First mention in the archives is November of 2000. The archives (at
UGA) started about 8 months earlier.

Karen

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> On 4 Jan 2003 at 20:45, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Come away from the little rock you live on and we'll talk...
>
> I don't even plan to come out from the rock I live under, let alone
> leave the one I live on.

Sigh. Well, I have no more relatives to die and leave me money.

Karen

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>>>Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
>>>example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
>>>local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.
>>
>>Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?
>
>It's an old one.

Guess I wasn't paying attention. Don't remember seeing it before.
Who came up with it?

-rashmi


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>>Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
>>example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
>>local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.
>
>Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?
>
>-rashmi

I do so wish you hadn't brought that up.  Then again, the fault is not
yours, but Betty's.

That moniker is the product of a time, a couple of years ago, when Tushar
was apparently going through a very bad period in his life.  For some
reason, he took a rabid dislike to JimF and, for a couple of months or so,
Tushar's posts consisted of nothing save quotes of JimF's posts followed by
derogatory references to heartwarming simpleminded Jimmy The Fuck.  It was
an unpleasant but fortunately brief period in the history of words-l
snideness, one which I, in my wonted Pollyana-ish fashion, have always
preferred to blame on some fluke external circumstances.

I can't imagine why Betty, or anyone else, would not want to call up JimF
and meet him at the local pub for a beer.  He is one of the most congenial
people I've ever met.

Ken Miller
Department of Phatic Drivel
Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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>How many CD's do you have, Adam?  We have a bookcase that we use
>for  CD storage, and have no trouble fitting 400 CD's in there
>with plenty of room to grow.    But I realize that 400 CD's is
>really not all that many.

I'm under the impression that Adam is not so much a collector of CDs as he
is an archivist of them.

He may soon be doing consulting work for Nicholson Baker. :-;

Ken Miller
Jared Bean School of Librarianship

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At 09:23 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> >>Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.  For
> >>example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me at the
> >>local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.
> >
> >Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?
> >
> >-rashmi
>
>I do so wish you hadn't brought that up.  Then again, the fault is not
>yours, but Betty's.
>
>That moniker is the product of a time, a couple of years ago, when Tushar
>was apparently going through a very bad period in his life.  For some
>reason, he took a rabid dislike to JimF and, for a couple of months or so,
>Tushar's posts consisted of nothing save quotes of JimF's posts followed by
>derogatory references to heartwarming simpleminded Jimmy The Fuck.  It was
>an unpleasant but fortunately brief period in the history of words-l
>snideness, one which I, in my wonted Pollyana-ish fashion, have always
>preferred to blame on some fluke external circumstances.
>
>I can't imagine why Betty, or anyone else, would not want to call up JimF
>and meet him at the local pub for a beer.  He is one of the most congenial
>people I've ever met.

With me he started with the name calling and belittled everyone who didn't
think the way he did, imo. It all got very old but I don't need to continue
with it.  JTF is good enough.

Betty

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On 4 Jan 2003 at 21:08, Karen Kay wrote:

> Sigh. Well, I have no more relatives to die and leave me money.

Leave me money. What an interesting concept. Too bad it never took
hold anywhere.

    mem

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>It is just unbelievable. I am really poor at the game and have not
>exceeded 400,000+. I do bow humbly.
>
>alyce

One secret: when you need to get rid of tiles in a certain spot (e.g.
because you've got to get rid of a flaming tile, or you're trying to line
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:27:55 -0800
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From: Bookrat <bookrat@bookrat.com>
Subject: Re: gloating mail
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>With me he started with the name calling and belittled everyone who didn't
>think the way he did, imo. It all got very old but I don't need to continue
>with it.  JTF is good enough.
>
>Betty

Silly me!  Here I've been thinking all along that name calling and
belittlement were both mandatory elements of the traditional words-l phatic
communication process, and now you say that isn't so?

Ken Miller
Paul Stone School of Netiquette

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty" <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: gloating mail


> At 09:23 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> > >>Oh, oh.  People usually know when a visit would not be welcome.
For
> > >>example, I wouldn't hesitate to call Brad and ask him to meet me
at the
> > >>local pub for a beer.  I wouldn't call Jimmy the Fuck.
> > >
> > >Does this refer to JimF? When did he acquire a new moniker?
> > >
> > >-rashmi
> >
> >I do so wish you hadn't brought that up.  Then again, the fault is
not
> >yours, but Betty's.
> >
> >That moniker is the product of a time, a couple of years ago, when
Tushar
> >was apparently going through a very bad period in his life.  For some
> >reason, he took a rabid dislike to JimF and, for a couple of months
or so,
> >Tushar's posts consisted of nothing save quotes of JimF's posts
followed by
> >derogatory references to heartwarming simpleminded Jimmy The Fuck.
It was
> >an unpleasant but fortunately brief period in the history of words-l
> >snideness, one which I, in my wonted Pollyana-ish fashion, have
always
> >preferred to blame on some fluke external circumstances.
> >
> >I can't imagine why Betty, or anyone else, would not want to call up
JimF
> >and meet him at the local pub for a beer.  He is one of the most
congenial
> >people I've ever met.
>
> With me he started with the name calling and belittled everyone who
didn't
> think the way he did, imo. It all got very old but I don't need to
continue
> with it.  JTF is good enough.
>
> Betty

Boy, you must have been reading different posts
than I read.  What got old was Tushar's constant
rudeness toward Jim, rudeness to the point of
obscenity for reasons I could never fathom.
Maybe I missed something there, was gone a
few days or something.


                       - D. M.

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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 07:36:47 +0100
From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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Subject: Re: School Districts
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Rita:
= speak with them, and usually that's enough.  But I'm working
= from within the institution, not railing against the
= institution.  The way our society has evolved to remove
= parents from so much of a child's life is an enormous
= disservice to all of us, but I'm not sure the schools are
= where you start.  Schools are a reflection of what is going
= on in a society; I'm not sure they can be an agent of
= change.  There are too many layers of beaurocracy, and too
= many teachers who are emperors in their classroom.  I
= co-teach with a special educator, but there are few of us in
= the department who are willing to do that or are even able
= to reliquish that much control.  Creating top-down change is
= nearly impossible; expecting this sort of institution to
= spontaneously change and then revolutionize society is a
= little unrealistic.
=

I just picked up the last ten minutes of "Global Business" on bbc
world service, and he was interviewing  Lou Gerstner, who changed
IBM, and he was talking about how one of the next things he was
going to look at was how to change the schools in America.
I almost can't imagine him not looking at it from top down.

I love this program, but I usually catch it at 6 am Sunday
morning when I can't sleep.  It's online here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/business/review_globbus.shtml

I am hooked on Peter Day's voice.  Swoon.

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=
= For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
= white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.
=
= Karen

Nail polish remover.

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Ah, finally someone on the list who is talking some sense!

:-)

On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:46:36PM -0800, Bookrat wrote:
= They say it ain't over till it's over, but Madden & Co. have started
= rambling, paying less and less attention to the actual play on the field.
= In a recent closeup of Favre on the bench, it looked like he was about to
= cry.
=
= If the Falcons play next week like they've played tonight, the Iggles could
= be in for an interesting time.  This was the first time I'd noticed Vick.
= One word: impressive.
=
= And I'm sure everyone has an opinion on this, but: even though the Packers
= got a really bad call on that Falcons recovery, it didn't make any
= difference in the end.  You could take seven points from the Falcons and
= give them to Packers, and the result would still be the same.
=
= Ken Miller
= Ludological Correspondent
= The Lostin Times

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thanks
all I had to do was give them meal money
mary

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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 01:32:34 -0800
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>  > <nod> The person I know who would fit in best here is my ex-husband,
>>  but that would be a little uncomfortable. I did suggest to my friend
>>  Paul the other day that he might like to check it out, but he was
>>  daunted by the message volume.
>
>So there is no absolute reason not to invite people... Sure got
>the wrong idea from K-R-N's post, which said someting like "NO
>WAY. PERIOD."

I invite people, but with full disclosure. Which usually means they
don't want to come here.

Janet

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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 01:34:02 -0800
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Subject: Re: School Districts
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>For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
>white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.

Nail polish remover.

Janet

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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 01:36:13 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: for those who haven't heard...
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Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
looking at her.

Janet

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Any Wordslers going to be in Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics
Show this week? I'm going to be there for AVN and BondCon, which are
both happening concurrently.

Janet

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>Michael E. Macmillan said:
>>  On 4 Jan 2003 at 20:45, Karen Kay wrote:
>>  > Come away from the little rock you live on and we'll talk...
>>
>>  I don't even plan to come out from the rock I live under, let alone
>  > leave the one I live on.
>
>Sigh. Well, I have no more relatives to die and leave me money.

Maybe you'll be like John Warren -- who just got left a large sum of
money by a guy he introduced to the scene years ago. Why don't things
like this happen to me?

Janet

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Clone.


On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:34:02AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
= >For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
= >white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.
=
= Nail polish remover.
=
= Janet

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Bookrat wrote:

> an unpleasant but fortunately brief period in the history of words-l
> snideness, one which I, in my wonted Pollyana-ish fashion, have always

I wouldn't choose "snideness" as the description for something like
that, though snideness could be part of the bundle behind it.  I think
of snideness by itself as less extreme.

> and meet him at the local pub for a beer.  He is one of the most congenial
> people I've ever met.

I agree.  Talking about places we've felt especially comfortable (Adam's
apartment, etc.), Camp Jiggleview is high on my list for many reasons,
the chief of which was JimF's kind, caring, congenial hosting.

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Was it Lisa who read about blackeyed peas and "joe"?  It *is* hog jowl!
There's an article in today's Starkville Daily News about New Year's
eating traditions (would give the url but just checked and saw that the
wimpy web site doesn't include that story).  In talking about hog jowl,
it says that it's sometimes called "joel" or just "joe."  I had never
heard that before.

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
> > white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.
>
>         I have chalkboards in my room (I'm in the 1917 section of the
> building).  Have you tried white board cleaner?

Are we talking about magic marker on white boards of the classroom
type?  If so, the answer is alcohol.  I accidentally used regular marker
instead of the kind you're supposed to use on those boards and found
that a nearby office kept a bottle of rubbing alcohol for just such
occasions.  I *hate* those boards.

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I googled and found the SDN story I read this morning in a different
newspaper from last week.  Typical of the SDN to fill in with old
stuff.  Anyway, if anybody wants to read about jowl/joel/joe, here it
is:

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/4846819.htm

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= occasions.  I *hate* those boards.
=
= --
=  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Why?  I like them a lot.  I like them better than chalk for
teaching on.  We have them all over the place at work.

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steph wrote:
>
> = occasions.  I *hate* those boards.

> Why?  I like them a lot.  I like them better than chalk for
> teaching on.  We have them all over the place at work.

I'm not sure which of my reasons for hating them is at the top of the
list.  I guess probably it's that the markers dry up so quickly, leaving
you standing there needing to write something on the board but having no
working marker.  (When teaching in classrooms with that kind of board, I
always carry a couple of the markers in my purse all the time -- more
clutter in an already-full purse.  But then I find they've dried up when
I need them.)  Other reasons I hate them are that I find it easier to
erase chalk from a chalkboard, whether black or green -- I prefer black,
than to erase stuff from those white boards, even when the right kind of
marker has been used, and I find it easier to write with chalk.  The
writing <flows> more easily from my hand with chalk than with those
markers.

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I might have asked this before since it's something I've wondered about
for years.  It's about solar heating -- of the unofficial kind -- I'm
not talking about solar panels etc.  Bright sunshine on regular windows
does have a warming effect.  But at what point does that offset the
coldness of having those windows unveiled on a cold day?  Iow, is there
some temperature that can be considered sort of the turning point?  Or
is it always better to have the windows unveiled (in bright sunshine, I
mean)?  Or always veiled?  Like if it's 20 degrees outside on a very
sunny day, are you still better off not having the blinds open, but
maybe at 40 degrees it would be better to have them open?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 07:46 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, ken wrote:

>If the Falcons play next week like they've played tonight, the Iggles could
>be in for an interesting time.  This was the first time I'd noticed Vick.
>One word: impressive.
>
>And I'm sure everyone has an opinion on this, but: even though the Packers
>got a really bad call on that Falcons recovery, it didn't make any
>difference in the end.  You could take seven points from the Falcons and
>give them to Packers, and the result would still be the same.

I gave up watching in the thrid quarter when, after the Packers scored, the
Falcons came right back on a long march that ended with a field goal.  To
me, that showed that they weren't going to be intimidated by either Favre &
Co. or by the worsening weather.

I don't know whether it was a bad call or not.  For all of the whining in
the booth and the seemingly endless replays, it still wasn't clear to me
who the ball frst touched.  There <is> one thing I'd like to see changed in
the rule governing punts.  As it is now, the player attempting to field the
punt must not be interfered with (interference being defined as an opposing
player contacting or coming close to the receiver).  Fine.  However,
nothing in the rule prevents what happened last night, i.e., another player
on the receiving team was pushed several feet and into contact with the
receiver.

For myself, I can't see why Madden is so popular.  About half the time he
is wrong, either about the rules or about game strategy.  He is
fundamentally incapable of saying something <only once>.  And when it comes
to a grasp of the obvious, he is unmatched.

I'm sure that our friends in Wisconsin are distraught.  The reality is that
the Packers simply weren't good enough.  A week ago, many were saying that
the Jets blowout of the Packers was aberrant; well, the Pack didn't play
any better last night.

cwv

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> > Can I read it in the archives?
>
>http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
>Karen Kay.

Wow, mem!   You are continuing to archive.  You have my recent Thanksgiving
musings in there.  You are a good man.


    --bonniev

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>is it always better to have the windows unveiled (in bright sunshine, I
>mean)?  Or always veiled?  Like if it's 20 degrees outside on a very
>sunny day, are you still better off not having the blinds open, but
>maybe at 40 degrees it would be better to have them open?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

In my experience, it's always better to have the drapes drawn when the sun
is shining on the windows in winter, no matter the temperature.


    --bonniev

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steph said:
> =
> = For an abrupt non sequitur, do you know how to remove stains from a
> = white board? I think the magic marker was left on too long.
> =
> = Karen
>
> Nail polish remover.

I haven't tried that, but that was mentioned. Thanks. It's on my list
of things to try now.

Karen

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Betty wrote:

> At 07:57 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> Michael E. Macmillan said:
>> > On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:
>> > > Can I read it in the archives?
>> >
>> > http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
>> > Karen Kay.
>>
>> Whoa! You've been busy!
>>
>> I like that color green.


        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman

Not on me.   Mine is from SnowBash, 2002.


    --bonniev

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Do you have double pane windows?

Betty

At 08:38 AM 1/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I might have asked this before since it's something I've wondered about
>for years.  It's about solar heating -- of the unofficial kind -- I'm
>not talking about solar panels etc.  Bright sunshine on regular windows
>does have a warming effect.  But at what point does that offset the
>coldness of having those windows unveiled on a cold day?  Iow, is there
>some temperature that can be considered sort of the turning point?  Or
>is it always better to have the windows unveiled (in bright sunshine, I
>mean)?  Or always veiled?  Like if it's 20 degrees outside on a very
>sunny day, are you still better off not having the blinds open, but
>maybe at 40 degrees it would be better to have them open?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev said:
> >is it always better to have the windows unveiled (in bright sunshine, I
> >mean)?  Or always veiled?  Like if it's 20 degrees outside on a very
> >sunny day, are you still better off not having the blinds open, but
> >maybe at 40 degrees it would be better to have them open?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> In my experience, it's always better to have the drapes drawn when the sun
> is shining on the windows in winter, no matter the temperature.

I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.

Karen

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Rita Chapman said:
> Betty wrote:
> > At 07:57 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> >> Michael E. Macmillan said:
> >> > On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:
> >> > > Can I read it in the archives?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
> >> > Karen Kay.
> >>
> >> Whoa! You've been busy!
> >>
> >> I like that color green.
>
>
>         Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.

The flattering photos.

Karen

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At 09:02 AM 1/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 07:57 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>>Michael E. Macmillan said:
>>> > On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:
>>> > > Can I read it in the archives?
>>> >
>>> > http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
>>> > Karen Kay.
>>>
>>>Whoa! You've been busy!
>>>
>>>I like that color green.
>
>
>        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.

Where did he get that one of Ann?

Betty

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Betty wrote:
>
> Do you have double pane windows?

Storm windows?  Yes.  But one in the living room has been stuck about an
inch up (as in open about an inch) ever since I moved into this house.
I've had musclemen try to get it down, but it just won't come down.  I
keep the vents closed and that room shut off most of the time, though.
Hmm.  Maybe it's the regular window that's stuck up.  Can't remember now
for sure whether it's the storm window or the regular window.

--
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bonniev wrote:

> In my experience, it's always better to have the drapes drawn when the sun
> is shining on the windows in winter, no matter the temperature.

Am I correct in guessing that by "drawn" you mean open?  For some reason
"drawn drapes" to me would suggest closed.

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Bookrat wrote:
> >
> One secret: when you need to get rid of tiles in a certain spot (e.g.
> because you've got to get rid of a flaming tile, or you're trying to line
> up a bonus word), try every three-letter and four-letter combination that
> looks reasonable, and then try the unreasonable ones.

Makes sense to me. But I seem always to end up with whole blocks of U I
A at the bottom, and there is nothing to be done with them. I plod
onward.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Am I correct in guessing that by "drawn" you mean open?  For some reason
> "drawn drapes" to me would suggest closed.

Closed. Drawn = closed.

alyce

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> > In my experience, it's always better to have the drapes drawn when the sun
> > is shining on the windows in winter, no matter the temperature.
>
>I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.
>Karen

I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
shine into the house.


    --bonniev

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= >
= > Nail polish remover.
=
= I haven't tried that, but that was mentioned. Thanks. It's on my list
= of things to try now.
=
= Karen

For one thing, I was thinking, it's meant to get on your hands.

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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 07:15:37AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= steph wrote:
= >
= > = occasions.  I *hate* those boards.
=
= > Why?  I like them a lot.  I like them better than chalk for
= > teaching on.  We have them all over the place at work.
=
= I'm not sure which of my reasons for hating them is at the top of the
= list.  I guess probably it's that the markers dry up so quickly, leaving
= you standing there needing to write something on the board but having no
= working marker.  (When teaching in classrooms with that kind of board, I

I too have no tolerance for dried out markers.  The ones we get
at work don't seem to dry out from sitting around (I have a
couple of those in my desk) but do get used up.  Since we seem to
have endless budget for those, I chuck them at first sign of
death.

= always carry a couple of the markers in my purse all the time -- more
= clutter in an already-full purse.  But then I find they've dried up when
= I need them.)  Other reasons I hate them are that I find it easier to
= erase chalk from a chalkboard, whether black or green -- I prefer black,
= than to erase stuff from those white boards, even when the right kind of

I don't like chalk dust, and I don't have any trouble erasing and
getting a clean board.

= marker has been used, and I find it easier to write with chalk.  The
= writing <flows> more easily from my hand with chalk than with those
= markers.
=

No trouble writing with them either.  I guess it just comes down
to what you like.

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pertinent to today's USA.

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bonniev said:
> > > In my experience, it's always better to have the drapes drawn when the sun
> > > is shining on the windows in winter, no matter the temperature.
> >
> >I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.
> >Karen
>
> I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
> shine into the house.

For me, I honestly don't think it's worth the effort of removing and
replacing the screens. I mean, if it's 75 in January, when does it
become worth it?!

Karen

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= > >I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.
= > >Karen
= >
= > I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
= > shine into the house.
=
= For me, I honestly don't think it's worth the effort of removing and
= replacing the screens. I mean, if it's 75 in January, when does it
= become worth it?!
=
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she was almost certainly talking about when it gets cold.  you're
a special case.

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> > >I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.
> > >Karen
> >
> > I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
> > shine into the house.
>
>For me, I honestly don't think it's worth the effort of removing and
>replacing the screens. I mean, if it's 75 in January, when does it
>become worth it?!      --Karen

I don't imagine this is addressed to me.  I know nothing about solar
screens.  We have regular window screens outside double-paned windows.  I
was only answering Natalie's question about window treatments.  She clearly
has very old single-paned windows with a separate storm window.  No you
have screens, Natalie?


    --bonniev

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Boxed into a corner I made a desperate
stab at the word yird . . and it was accepted.
Isn't in the dictionary.  Wonder what it means.
Maybe not quite a yard.

                      - D. M.

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and anyone else interested in pictures of Christmas with Sly's Grand Babies

A series of photo pages begins at
http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas2.html


My favorite set is http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas7.html

Sly

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I did the regular housecleaning yesterday but didn't get to the junkroom
project until today.  There are still boxes to be gone through and
reorganized someday and various other stuff to do in there, but it's
much better organized now than it was yesterday.  I should've taken some
pictures of it yesterday for the <before>.  Here are a few of the
<after>:

http://www.maynor.net/Junkroom/

Included are a couple I just took of my lush grass for Bonniemae.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Am I correct in guessing that by "drawn" you mean open?  For some reason
> > "drawn drapes" to me would suggest closed.
>
> Closed. Drawn = closed.

That's what I would've thought drawn meant, but it seemed odd to think
of Bonnie keeping drapes closed all the time regardless of the weather.
Keeping them open all the time seemed more likely to me for some reason.

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bonniev wrote:

> I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
> shine into the house.

Oh good.  I was sitting here worried about you hunkered up in windowless
drear all the time.

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Oops!  I just remembered that I forgot that I'd also taken a (not good)
picture of the windows I've been talking about -- the ones with the
miniblinds that won't work right anymore.  I forgot to list it in the
junkroom's index.html.
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At 06:48 AM 1/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Bookrat wrote:
>
> > an unpleasant but fortunately brief period in the history of words-l
> > snideness, one which I, in my wonted Pollyana-ish fashion, have always
>
>I wouldn't choose "snideness" as the description for something like
>that, though snideness could be part of the bundle behind it.  I think
>of snideness by itself as less extreme.
>
> > and meet him at the local pub for a beer.  He is one of the most congenial
> > people I've ever met.
>
>I agree.  Talking about places we've felt especially comfortable (Adam's
>apartment, etc.), Camp Jiggleview is high on my list for many reasons,
>the chief of which was JimF's kind, caring, congenial hosting.

I don't doubt this at all. I'm glad you didn't dress whorish though.

Betty

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At 01:32 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>  > <nod> The person I know who would fit in best here is my ex-husband,
>>>  but that would be a little uncomfortable. I did suggest to my friend
>>>  Paul the other day that he might like to check it out, but he was
>>>  daunted by the message volume.
>>
>>So there is no absolute reason not to invite people... Sure got
>>the wrong idea from K-R-N's post, which said someting like "NO
>>WAY. PERIOD."
>
>I invite people, but with full disclosure. Which usually means they
>don't want to come here.

The volume is not manageable for most people probably, especially if they
aren't used to lists and the delete button.

Betty

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At 10:27 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> >With me he started with the name calling and belittled everyone who didn't
> >think the way he did, imo. It all got very old but I don't need to continue
> >with it.  JTF is good enough.
> >
> >Betty
>
>Silly me!  Here I've been thinking all along that name calling and
>belittlement were both mandatory elements of the traditional words-l phatic
>communication process, and now you say that isn't so?

It was personal to me and totally separate from what was going on between
Tushar and him.

Betty

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bonniev wrote:

> I don't imagine this is addressed to me.  I know nothing about solar
> screens.  We have regular window screens outside double-paned windows.  I
> was only answering Natalie's question about window treatments.  She clearly
> has very old single-paned windows with a separate storm window.  No you
> have screens, Natalie?

Yes, I have screens, and I have what I think of as double-paned windows
in the sense that there are two panes, one on the inside window, one on
the storm window -- but they aren't built together (would be easier if
they were -- I hate storm windows because of the bother of having to
open and close two sets of windows).

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It's not that I forgot to put it in index.html.  I forgot to upload it.
Will do so now.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> A series of photo pages begins at
> http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas2.html

Great pictures!

> My favorite set is http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas7.html

I had looked at them all before reading this line -- and had said when
looking at that one, "They're all great, but these are my favorite
ones."

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http://www.maynor.net/Junkroom/windows.jpg

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Betty wrote:

> >I agree.  Talking about places we've felt especially comfortable (Adam's
> >apartment, etc.), Camp Jiggleview is high on my list for many reasons,
> >the chief of which was JimF's kind, caring, congenial hosting.
>
> I don't doubt this at all. I'm glad you didn't dress whorish though.

That wouldn't have mattered at all.  He was equally hospitable to all,
whorish and non-whorish alike.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Oops!  I just remembered that I forgot that I'd also taken a (not good)
> picture of the windows I've been talking about -- the ones with the
> miniblinds that won't work right anymore.  I forgot to list it in the
> junkroom's index.html.

If your mail is sorted by time, this one is out of order.  That's
because I wrote it and then without remembering to hit send, I telnetted
back to Wojo to look for the missing windows picture.  I came back to
Netscape Mail and found this one still sitting here unsent.  It would of
course have been distributed earlier, though, since I'm not subscribed
from Wojo -- meaning those Wojo messages had to go through the
ten-minute or whatever it is waiting period for <outsiders>.

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At 9:15 AM -0800 1/5/03, Doris Markland wrote:
>Boxed into a corner I made a desperate
>stab at the word yird . . and it was accepted.
>Isn't in the dictionary.  Wonder what it means.
>Maybe not quite a yard.
>
>                      - D. M.

I found it in OED2, marked as "Sc. and north", which I take to mean
Scotland and North England.

It means "earth", and can be used as a noun, a verb (in the sense of "to
bury", or in combinations such as yird-drift (snow blown from off the
ground).

Ken Miller
Assistant Drone
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You seem to be a very tidy person.

-a
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> http://www.maynor.net/Junkroom/windows.jpg
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Anne Toal wrote:
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> You seem to be a very tidy person.

I assume this is a joke.  (Not that I think I'm overly untidy, but these
pictures do not depict anything that I think could be construed as
indicating tidiness.)

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Well! I have a mailbox. My car is de-snowed and de-iced. The walkway
back to the oil delivery place is shoveled.
And the water to the outdoor spigot is turned off in the basement, a
fall chore that I totally had forgotten. Lucky the pipe had not yet
burst, for there has been plenty of opportunity. Yes, it was Kevin. The
kids were to return today to shovel more (they did not finish
yesterday), but they copped out, so Dad stepped in. I tell you, he is a
saint! I gave him a bag of Beggin' Bits for his dog. (Spike doesn't like
them.)

I am a happier woman today than yesterday. And...I washed my hair.

alyce
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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:32:34AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> > > <nod> The person I know who would fit in best here is my ex-husband,
> >> but that would be a little uncomfortable. I did suggest to my friend
> >> Paul the other day that he might like to check it out, but he was
> >> daunted by the message volume.
> >
> >So there is no absolute reason not to invite people... Sure got
> >the wrong idea from K-R-N's post, which said someting like "NO
> >WAY. PERIOD."
>
> I invite people, but with full disclosure. Which usually means they
> don't want to come here.

I hope people are taking note. Stop your sneaky deceptive words-l
advertisements. Even saying "it may not be what you expect, try it
and be reasonable"--which is admittedly what I though to do *slap*

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maynor@SLEEPY.WOJOMEDIA.COM wrote:
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> http://www.maynor.net/Junkroom/windows.jpg

But you have furniture in the junk room! I thought it was, like, a room
of junk. LIke an attic, although not high up.

alyce

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>maynor@SLEEPY.WOJOMEDIA.COM wrote:
>>
>>  http://www.maynor.net/Junkroom/windows.jpg
>
>But you have furniture in the junk room! I thought it was, like, a room
>of junk. LIke an attic, although not high up.

This place is rapidly developing a "junk niche," which will not do. I
intended it to be a little nook where I could showcase my bottles and
grow a few plants, but right now it's full of partially unpacked
boxes. Ah, well, all in good time, I suppose :/

Janet

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>  >         Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.
>
>The flattering photos.

Even if I'm not an official W**L**W**, can I send a photo? A friend
just snapped one of me that I rather like.

Janet
chopped-liverishly

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steph said:
> = > >I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.
> = > >Karen
> = >
> = > I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
> = > shine into the house.
> =
> = For me, I honestly don't think it's worth the effort of removing and
> = replacing the screens. I mean, if it's 75 in January, when does it
> = become worth it?!
> =
> = Karen
>
> she was almost certainly talking about when it gets cold.  you're
> a special case.

It does get cold--it freezes.

Karen

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> Included are a couple I just took of my lush grass for Bonniemae.

It looks like you have St. Augustine grass just like I do. Bonnie has gotten
me all riled up about my grass. What if it's not good enough, even though
Graham and I enjoy it just fine the way it is? Is there something wrong with
our LAWN STANDARDS? All these pleasant evenings this winter where we've sat
outside in that VERY YARD, enjoying the moment? We should NOT have been able
to do that! I think I must get myself to the Irrigation District Office
tomorrow and purchase an irrigation ticket. Don't you worry, Bonnie, I will
get this place up to snuff, you'll see!

Here's what you see when you come to our front door. I'll let you in on a
secret: this is part of a conspiracy to create a legendary "Sucky South"
that will deter visits from northerners with no sense of humor.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26B228F2

-aht

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Janet Hardy wrote:
> This place is rapidly developing a "junk niche,"

Well, of course, my entire house is full of junk rooms now. THe dining
room table is buried under about 12" of papers and wrapping supplies.
The "library" is just piled with papers and boxes. My ex-bedroom is full
of disused furniture that was in the living room before my bed was. My
ex-computer room is filled with grocery bags of uncatalogueud books. And
Ken's two rooms are full of his stuff that remains here till he can
afford to move it westward. That leaves the guest room, the living room,
and more or less this parlor in which I sit as non-junk rooms.
And to think that once this was so beautiful all over. Phht.

alyce

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Janet Hardy wrote:
> Even if I'm not an official W**L**W**, can I send a photo? A friend
> just snapped one of me that I rather like.

you have my permission.

alyce

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> and anyone else interested in pictures of Christmas with Sly's Grand Babies
>
You are lucky to have GRand Babies. Very nice.

alyce

--
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> I assume this is a joke.

Well let me put it a different way: it looks like my house when we're on a
tidyness binge. It might not be tidy by Martha Stewart standards.

-aht

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Anne Toal wrote:
> >
> > You seem to be a very tidy person.
>
> I assume this is a joke.  (Not that I think I'm overly untidy, but these
> pictures do not depict anything that I think could be construed as
> indicating tidiness.)

LOL. All those right angles don't give you a clue?!

Karen

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>Well! I have a mailbox. My car is de-snowed and de-iced. The walkway
>back to the oil delivery place is shoveled.     --alyce

How very nice.  You've been adopted.  You are the neighborhood
Granny.  Grammie and Grampie Parsons' grandson came around noon and made
everything right for them after our snow storm.  He got his
pickup-with-plow blade stuck in the process.  But he seemed quite competent
in trying the various methods of getting unstuck.  Rocking the truck was
the method that eventually worked.

How exactly did Kevin get your mailbox back up?

    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Oops!  I just remembered that I forgot that I'd also taken a (not good)
> > picture of the windows I've been talking about -- the ones with the
> > miniblinds that won't work right anymore.  I forgot to list it in the
> > junkroom's index.html.
>
> If your mail is sorted by time, this one is out of order.

And, it's still not in the junkroom index page.

> from Wojo -- meaning those Wojo messages had to go through the
> ten-minute or whatever it is waiting period for <outsiders>.

What I want to know is why my mail goes through that even though I'm
not an outsider.

Karen

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Anne Toal said:
> > Included are a couple I just took of my lush grass for Bonniemae.
>
> It looks like you have St. Augustine grass just like I do.

Ligniere has St. Augustine, and it's bright green. I have Bermuda
(mostly) and it's brownish.

> Bonnie has gotten me all riled up about my grass. What if it's not
> good enough, even though Graham and I enjoy it just fine the way it
> is? Is there something wrong with our LAWN STANDARDS? All these
> pleasant evenings this winter where we've sat outside in that VERY
> YARD, enjoying the moment? We should NOT have been able to do that!
> I think I must get myself to the Irrigation District Office tomorrow
> and purchase an irrigation ticket. Don't you worry, Bonnie, I will
> get this place up to snuff, you'll see!

I say rip out the grass and xeriscape!

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I am a happier woman today than yesterday. And...I washed my hair.

I am happy that you are happy, and I am totally smitten with Kevin!  If
I were Truman Capote and his aged aunt, I would send him a fruitcake.
He is indeed a good man.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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= yesterday), but they copped out, so Dad stepped in. I tell you, he is a
= saint! I gave him a bag of Beggin' Bits for his dog. (Spike doesn't like
= them.)
=
= I am a happier woman today than yesterday. And...I washed my hair.
=
= alyce

Wow.  What great neighbors.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> How exactly did Kevin get your mailbox back up?

Apparently the post was there, but the box itself had been knocked off
its support. Riley did not explain the problem very well (only that the
plow had taken it down) and I could not see it from the house. So, Kevin
put a new bracket on the existing post and then screwed the box into the
bracket. He says that when spring comes, he will put in a whole new (and
better) post. I love competent men. Even some incompetent ones, but
competence is grand.

alyce
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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> maynor@SLEEPY.WOJOMEDIA.COM wrote:
> >
> > http://www.maynor.net/Junkroom/windows.jpg
>
> But you have furniture in the junk room! I thought it was, like, a room
> of junk. LIke an attic, although not high up.

I just noticed the above url and think I might have confused you.  The
windows in question aren't in the junkrooom.  They're in the room I'm
sitting in right now -- a rather cluttered but constantly used room.
The desk in front of the windows is my real desk -- as in the desk I use
for all desky things.  It is especially cluttered right now, which was
one thing that amused me by the "tidy" comment.

The junkroom also has some furniture but only because there's nowhere
else to put that furniture.  I'm not counting the bookshelves as
furniture (though I guess I could since there's nowhere else they could
go either).  The bookshelves are important for holding books.  And the
large pine table is the one I bought at an auction shortly after moving
into this house and was going to use as a sort of psychological
room-divider in the livingroom, but it just didn't work there -- and
there's no real place to put it except in the junkroom, where it works
pretty well since I have bookshelves on top of it.  Also in the junkroom
is the cardtable that was at one time in the middle of this room but was
really in the way.  It's the one I got for the purpose of leaving
genealogical stuff spread out when I needed to.  And there's another
smaller cardtable that has my old computer on it (or rather beside it --
monitor and keyboard are on the table).  It was in this room until day
before yesterday, sitting where my mother's tv is now sitting.  I have
yet to have an occasion to use that old computer for anything, but I've
been thinking I might pull the scanner out of the closet and attach it
since there are occasionally old pictures I'd like to scan.  (The
monitor with that old computer is one my nephew threw away that was in
my mother's house for a while.  I brought it back here a long time ago.
The monitor originally with that computer is the one I'm using with this
computer.)  Also in the junkroom is a footlocker I use for storing
travel stuff -- little plastic containers, film bag, shoe holders,
voltage converter, etc. etc.  And Daddy's tiny childhood desk is there.
Someday I hope to find a better place for that little desk and also have
it refinished, even though it is not in any way a <fine> piece of
furniture.  And the electric keyboard is in that room (on a stand).

The junkroom is like an attic in some ways but not totally.  My outside
storage building is more attic-like.  The junkroom includes lots of
things I want to have easily accessible -- things I would not want to
have to go to an attic or an outside storage building to get.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap said:
> I am a happier woman today than yesterday. And...I washed my hair.

Kevin is my hero, too.

Karen

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> > Included are a couple I just took of my lush grass for Bonniemae.
>
> It looks like you have St. Augustine grass just like I do.

My previous yard was St. Augustine, but this one mostly isn't.  There
are a few bits of St. Augustine in it but not much.  I'm not sure what
this kind of grass is.  St. Augustine is the only kind I can identify.

> Bonnie has gotten
> me all riled up about my grass. What if it's not good enough, even though
> Graham and I enjoy it just fine the way it is? Is there something wrong with
> our LAWN STANDARDS? All these pleasant evenings this winter where we've sat
> outside in that VERY YARD, enjoying the moment? We should NOT have been able
> to do that!

No, you should have been wading through cold, dirty slush wearing your
ice-gripping shoes.

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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 10:50:19AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > = > >I have solar screens on; I just leave 'em on.
= > = > >Karen
= > = >
= > = > I see I was ambiguous.  I meant to have the drapes open so that the sun can
= > = > shine into the house.
= > =
= > = For me, I honestly don't think it's worth the effort of removing and
= > = replacing the screens. I mean, if it's 75 in January, when does it
= > = become worth it?!
= > =
= > = Karen
= >
= > she was almost certainly talking about when it gets cold.  you're
= > a special case.
=
= It does get cold--it freezes.
=
= Karen

Um, am I missing something, or did you answer you own question
here.

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Anne Toal wrote:

> Well let me put it a different way: it looks like my house when we're on a
> tidyness binge. It might not be tidy by Martha Stewart standards.

I would guess myself as being about average -- about in the middle of
the tidiness scale.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I assume this is a joke.  (Not that I think I'm overly untidy, but these
> > pictures do not depict anything that I think could be construed as
> > indicating tidiness.)
>
> LOL. All those right angles don't give you a clue?!

? Are right angles related to tidiness?

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I just noticed the above url and think I might have confused you.  The
> windows in question aren't in the junkrooom.  They're in the room I'm
> sitting in right now -- a rather cluttered but constantly used room.

It sounds like a grand room. I would like one big room with a lot of big
tables in it. Then I could have different projects going on all at once,
even maybe a puzzle. I want to do a puzzle, but have nowhere I can do
it, even with all of this space.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:

> And, it's still not in the junkroom index page.

I know.  There was no reason to put it there since I posted it
separately.

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On 5 Jan 2003 at 9:02, Rita Chapman wrote:

> Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.

Just looking for the sexy pix to captivate some of that potential new
blood that has everyone so exercised.


    mem

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:
> >
> >        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.
>
> Where did he get that one of Ann?

Where are these photos?  Please give a very explicit for-dummies answer.
I saw the WHORE section and Tushar & Jerry.

Ann

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Shit, I bet Betty was fooling and she GOT ME.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:
> > >
> > >        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.
> >
> > Where did he get that one of Ann?
>
> Where are these photos?  Please give a very explicit for-dummies answer.
> I saw the WHORE section and Tushar & Jerry.
>
> Ann
>

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At 10:28 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, ken wrote:

>I found it in OED2, marked as "Sc. and north", which I take to mean
>Scotland and North England.
>
>It means "earth", and can be used as a noun, a verb (in the sense of "to
>bury", or in combinations such as yird-drift (snow blown from off the
>ground).

I have this sense that one of the people who built the dictionary for this
game is British---lots of slang that is Brit, or at least slang that I
associate with British writing.

cwv

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No.

text archive, what happened to me

aka: http://www.arrirang.net/WHTM.htm

he's gone for the over the shoulder look bigtime.

On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 12:12:05PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
= Shit, I bet Betty was fooling and she GOT ME.
=
= On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:
=
= > On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:
= > > >
= > > >        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.
= > >
= > > Where did he get that one of Ann?
= >
= > Where are these photos?  Please give a very explicit for-dummies answer.
= > I saw the WHORE section and Tushar & Jerry.
= >
= > Ann
= >

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>
> I have this sense that one of the people who built the dictionary for this
> game is British---lots of slang that is Brit, or at least slang that I
> associate with British writing.

Tushar should test it with Indian English words.  If he knows any any more
anymore.

Ann

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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 12:19:46PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
> >
> > I have this sense that one of the people who built the dictionary for this
> > game is British---lots of slang that is Brit, or at least slang that I
> > associate with British writing.
>
> Tushar should test it with Indian English words.  If he knows any any more
> anymore.

Please don't post dr*nck.

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> I have this sense that one of the people who built the dictionary for this
> game is British---lots of slang that is Brit, or at least slang that I
> associate with British writing.

Oh, yes. I thought I posted that some time back. Definitely.

Karen

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Please don't post dr*nck.

REALLY full disclosure to potential newbies would include the fact that
this is a list composed almost entirely of DRONCK POSTERS.

ANN

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On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:48:52PM -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
= > How many CD's do you have, Adam?  We have a bookcase that we use
= > for  CD storage, and have no trouble fitting 400 CD's in there
= > with plenty of room to grow.    But I realize that 400 CD's is
= > really not all that many.
=
= I have maybe 800 or 850 compact discs.
=

I've just had a look at my bookcase (guests were occupying the
room it's in over the weekend), and you could fit the bulk of
your cd's in it.  It's 80 cm x 200 cm, and has space for 12
shelves of cd's in it.  My 400 cd's take up six comfortably
packed shelves, and the start of a seventh.  They just sit loose
in the shelf, not in any cd rack.  The bookcase wasn't built for
this - not all of the shelves are supported by the official
little shelf pegs; some of them just have blocks of wood at
either end supporting the shelf above it.  (hmm, punctuation gone
mad there, eh?)

Anyway, it's a solution I'm happy with.

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>  Please don't post dr*nck.
>
>REALLY full disclosure to potential newbies would include the fact that
>this is a list composed almost entirely of DRONCK POSTERS.

I'd like to post DRONCK more often. Probably have a lot more fun that way.

I'm about to go prepare some TheraFlu -- does that count?

Janet
snif snif

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:48:52PM -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>= > How many CD's do you have, Adam?  We have a bookcase that we use
>= > for  CD storage, and have no trouble fitting 400 CD's in there
>= > with plenty of room to grow.    But I realize that 400 CD's is
>= > really not all that many.
>=
>= I have maybe 800 or 850 compact discs.
>=
>
>I've just had a look at my bookcase (guests were occupying the
>room it's in over the weekend), and you could fit the bulk of
>your cd's in it.  It's 80 cm x 200 cm, and has space for 12
>shelves of cd's in it.  My 400 cd's take up six comfortably
>packed shelves, and the start of a seventh.  They just sit loose
>in the shelf, not in any cd rack.  The bookcase wasn't built for
>this - not all of the shelves are supported by the official
>little shelf pegs; some of them just have blocks of wood at
>either end supporting the shelf above it.  (hmm, punctuation gone
>mad there, eh?)
>
>Anyway, it's a solution I'm happy with.

I need to buy a new CD rack soon myself. It's not that I have a whole
lot of CDs -- I doubt that there are more than 150 or so in there.
But with Ben's Playstation games, both of our DVDs, and a handful of
videos that don't fit in the entertainment center, it's overflowing.

Janet

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > I just noticed the above url and think I might have confused you.  The
> > windows in question aren't in the junkrooom.  They're in the room I'm
> > sitting in right now -- a rather cluttered but constantly used room.
>
> It sounds like a grand room. I would like one big room with a lot of big
> tables in it. Then I could have different projects going on all at once,
> even maybe a puzzle. I want to do a puzzle, but have nowhere I can do
> it, even with all of this space.

I would be happy living in just this room.  In my previous house pretty
much everything I did was in my computer room, which also included my
desk, my tv set, my stereo, and the ugly couch that Spencer ate.  I
don't like having lots of different rooms.  Maybe I should move the
DirecTV connection from the den to this room.  I don't like having to go
into that room if I want to watch something on tv.

I know what you mean about wanting puzzle space.  At times in my
previous house I had one spread out on my dining room table, but the
light wasn't good except in the brightest daylight hours.  I could put
one on that same table in this house, I guess, except that I keep that
room closed off and cold (in winter -- hot in summer).  I do like having
a big jigsaw puzzle sitting around for those occasions when I have five
minutes to spare before leaving for somewhere or whatever.  I did that
in Japan also.  I remember sitting in the tatami room working a jigsaw
puzzle for a little while before going across the street to get on the
train to start wending my way to the airport to go to New Zealand.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 12:30:00PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
= On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
= >
= > Please don't post dr*nck.
=
= REALLY full disclosure to potential newbies would include the fact that
= this is a list composed almost entirely of DRONCK POSTERS.
=
= ANN

You know, I used to make it a point not to post drunk to the
list.  But now that I'm a vain, snotty brat, it really can't get
much worse.  Guess I'll have to try it next time the opportunity
avails.

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steph said:
> You know, I used to make it a point not to post drunk to the
> list.  But now that I'm a vain, snotty brat, it really can't get
> much worse.  Guess I'll have to try it next time the opportunity
> avails.

When did you become vain and snotty? Are you tidy, too?

Karen

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I received two photos this morning that I will likely deploy
elsewhere later, but I thought they were too good not to share
without delay. Therefore, I've hastily stuck them under the heading:
Image Archive -> Best of 2003 at http://www.words-l.net.

    mem

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> . Therefore, I've hastily stuck them under the heading:
> Image Archive -> Best of 2003 at http://www.words-l.net.

A very nice beginning to the Best of 2003.

alyce

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>"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>>  . Therefore, I've hastily stuck them under the heading:
>  > Image Archive -> Best of 2003 at http://www.words-l.net.
>
>A very nice beginning to the Best of 2003.

Hmm. I couldn't see the Best of 2003 at all when using Netscape
(Mac). It shows up fine with Explorer, though.

Janet

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> >"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> >>  . Therefore, I've hastily stuck them under the heading:
> >  > Image Archive -> Best of 2003 at http://www.words-l.net.
> >
> >A very nice beginning to the Best of 2003.
>
> Hmm. I couldn't see the Best of 2003 at all when using Netscape
> (Mac). It shows up fine with Explorer, though.

Worked fine with my Netscape 4.7.  Great pictures!

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At 02:06 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Janet Hardy wrote:
> > Even if I'm not an official W**L**W**, can I send a photo? A friend
> > just snapped one of me that I rather like.
>
>you have my permission.

I need all the company I can get.

Betty

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At 11:24 AM 1/5/2003 -0600, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>and anyone else interested in pictures of Christmas with Sly's Grand Babies
>
>A series of photo pages begins at
>http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas2.html
>
>
>My favorite set is http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas7.html
>
>Sly

Thank you! Those were all wonderful.

Betty

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At 02:43 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > I just noticed the above url and think I might have confused you.  The
> > windows in question aren't in the junkrooom.  They're in the room I'm
> > sitting in right now -- a rather cluttered but constantly used room.
>
>It sounds like a grand room. I would like one big room with a lot of big
>tables in it. Then I could have different projects going on all at once,
>even maybe a puzzle. I want to do a puzzle, but have nowhere I can do
>it, even with all of this space.

Larry's aunt uses her dining room, living room, and family room for all her
quilting projects. She lives alone and when you visit, you're right there
in the middle of it all.  It's great.

Betty

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It's beautiful here, warm and sunny.  I was sitting on the deck, reading.
Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any new
mail.

bye
Ann

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At 12:11 PM 1/5/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Betty wrote:
> > >
> > >        Indeed.  And he went for the young photos.
> >
> > Where did he get that one of Ann?
>
>Where are these photos?  Please give a very explicit for-dummies answer.
>I saw the WHORE section and Tushar & Jerry.

Look at the WHTM section. A photo accompanies the listings of
each.  Looking good, Bad Nurse Borkin!

Betty

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At 12:37 PM 1/5/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>>
>>>  Please don't post dr*nck.
>>
>>REALLY full disclosure to potential newbies would include the fact that
>>this is a list composed almost entirely of DRONCK POSTERS.
>
>I'd like to post DRONCK more often. Probably have a lot more fun that way.
>
>I'm about to go prepare some TheraFlu -- does that count?
>
>Janet
>snif snif

How was your New Year's Eve party?

Betty

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> It's beautiful here, warm and sunny.  I was sitting on the deck,
reading.
> Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any new
> mail.
>
> bye
> Ann

Goodness, wasn't that a missile in itself?
Hot off the press?

BTW I think The Game accepts "shat".

                 - D. M.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
   > Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any
new  mail.

For the rich, they sing.

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> BTW I think The Game accepts "shat".

And cum and today, puny.

alyce

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> Ann Borkin wrote:
>    > Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any
> new  mail.
>
> For the rich, they sing.
>
> alyce

But, Alyce, how would you know?
You're a Democrat.

            - D. M.

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At 09:55 PM 1/5/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 12:30:00PM -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
>= On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>= >
>= > Please don't post dr*nck.
>=
>= REALLY full disclosure to potential newbies would include the fact that
>= this is a list composed almost entirely of DRONCK POSTERS.
>=
>= ANN
>
>You know, I used to make it a point not to post drunk to the
>list.  But now that I'm a vain, snotty brat, it really can't get
>much worse.  Guess I'll have to try it next time the opportunity
>avails.

Go for it, steph!  I'll back you up.

Betty

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At 04:49 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
> > Ann Borkin wrote:
> >    > Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any
> > new  mail.
> >
> > For the rich, they sing.
> >
> > alyce
>
>But, Alyce, how would you know?
>You're a Democrat.

The birds will do anything for Alyce.  She feeds them.  I made a bird
feeder at the Wild Animal Park last week.  Smeared this cone with peanut
butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.

Betty

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Samuel Pepys' diary is being posted as a blog:  http://www.pepysdiary.com/
, with annotations by readers included....

and I noticed a number of mentions of Greenery Press's current deals for
readers in various friends' livejournals as well -- hope it brings in lots
of cash, Janet!

--Elaine

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Betty wrote:

> At 04:49 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>
>> > Ann Borkin wrote:
>> >    > Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any
>> > new  mail.
>> >
>> > For the rich, they sing.
>> >
>> > alyce
>>
>> But, Alyce, how would you know?
>> You're a Democrat.
>
>
> The birds will do anything for Alyce.  She feeds them.  I made a bird
> feeder at the Wild Animal Park last week.  Smeared this cone with peanut
> butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.


        They never eat that crap.  Even the squirrels shun it.

        Yesterday I saw a cardinal pair sitting in the snow covered
holly trees in my yard.  It was still early morning, so the
light gave the snow a pinkish blush while the sky was a
shade of lavender. Perfect.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> But, Alyce, how would you know?
> You're a Democrat.

I hear they sing for someone, and it ain't me, so it must be you
RRRepublicans.

alyce

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The other evening, I was waiting for the bus to go to work, and
there must have been several thousand birds sitting on the
overhead wires.  Every so often, a flock would take off, fly around
for a few seconds, and settle back down in a slightly different
area.  There was one time that almost the whole flock took off
and then settled back down.  I wish that I had had my camera
with me so that I could have taken pictures; it was spectacular.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Betty wrote:
  Smeared this cone with peanut
> butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.

That is odd. Is it hanging in a nice sunny spot?
alyce

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> The other evening, I was waiting for the bus to go to work, and
> there must have been several thousand birds sitting on the
> overhead wires.

I wonder what kind they were. That happens here from time to time, small
dark birds, but I've never been able to identify them.

alyce
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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        Those are starlings, Evelyn.  They flock together in the
winter.  Dante uses the image when he describes the souls
flying around in the area of hell reserved for those who
commit carnal sins.  When we were studying The Inferno, I
described the flocks of starlings, which all my students
have seen, and I could see the text come alive for them for
just a split second before we moved on.  It was a lovely
moment; a moment for which I can almost forgive starlings
for being the nasty, filthy things they are.

Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> The other evening, I was waiting for the bus to go to work, and
> there must have been several thousand birds sitting on the
> overhead wires.  Every so often, a flock would take off, fly around
> for a few seconds, and settle back down in a slightly different
> area.  There was one time that almost the whole flock took off
> and then settled back down.  I wish that I had had my camera
> with me so that I could have taken pictures; it was spectacular.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
>
> "How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
> IN PAIRS.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 04:56 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
>>At 04:49 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>>> > Ann Borkin wrote:
>>> >    > Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any
>>> > new  mail.
>>> >
>>> > For the rich, they sing.
>>> >
>>> > alyce
>>>
>>>But, Alyce, how would you know?
>>>You're a Democrat.
>>
>>
>>The birds will do anything for Alyce.  She feeds them.  I made a bird
>>feeder at the Wild Animal Park last week.  Smeared this cone with peanut
>>butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.
>
>
>        They never eat that crap.  Even the squirrels shun it.
>
>        Yesterday I saw a cardinal pair sitting in the snow covered
>holly trees in my yard.  It was still early morning, so the
>light gave the snow a pinkish blush while the sky was a
>shade of lavender. Perfect.

And I hauled it all the way back, carefully packed.  Sob. . .

Betty

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At 05:59 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>   Smeared this cone with peanut
> > butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.
>
>That is odd. Is it hanging in a nice sunny spot?

Yes,  At least it is sunny right now.  Rita says they don't like it.

Betty

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 4:58:28 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
I wonder what kind they were. That happens here from time to time, small
dark birds, but I've never been able to identify them.


>>

I don't know; I wish I had had a camcorder with zoom so that I could have
gotten a closeup while they were flying around.  I was thinking of the
Penguin (and Hitchcock) while they were up there.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > But, Alyce, how would you know?
> > You're a Democrat.
>
> I hear they sing for someone, and it ain't me, so it must be you
> RRRepublicans.
>
> alyce

I just have to smile when people (like you and Natalie)
talk about rich Republicans.   I know too many rich
Democrats, and parallel to Natalie I had a RDS and a RDBIL.

Interestingly, they didn't leave any money to the
Democrats.  They left the bulk to the church and
to the Humane Society, which I thought a strange
choice since it's a tax-supported entity.  But like you,
she loved and protected animals and I think held them
in higher esteem than people.

                    - D. M.

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Ann Borkin wrote:
>
> It's beautiful here, warm and sunny.  I was sitting on the deck, reading.
> Then a bird shat on my book so I came inside to see if I have any new
> mail.

It was a beautiful day here also.  Spencer and I went on a long walk --
sort of long, not majorly long.  Doncha hate it when a bird shits on
your book.

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 4:59:37 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        Those are starlings, Evelyn.  They flock together in the
winter.  Dante uses the image when he describes the souls
flying around in the area of hell reserved for those who
commit carnal sins.
>>

Thanks!  I wonder if the makers of the Alastair Sim version of
a Christmas Carol had read Dante because of the way they
pictured the souls of the damned flying around.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Betty wrote:

> The birds will do anything for Alyce.  She feeds them.  I made a bird
> feeder at the Wild Animal Park last week.  Smeared this cone with peanut
> butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.

The WAP of Elwood fame?  Reminds me of poor Giggles worrying that he was
going to be abandoned.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> gotten a closeup while they were flying around.  I was thinking of the
> Penguin (and Hitchcock) while they were up there.

I was about to say a little while ago that I am not fond of huge bunches
of birds congregating in my yard or anywhere else near me.  It's a bit
too Hitchcockian.

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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:25:18 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>How was your New Year's Eve party?

Very pleasant, very low key. Maybe about 20-25 people in the course
of the evening, with 15 or so here to toast the New Year at midnight.
I'm still nibbling on some amazing chicken liver pate that one of the
guests brought, but most of the other food is gone.

Janet

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At 05:15 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > The birds will do anything for Alyce.  She feeds them.  I made a bird
> > feeder at the Wild Animal Park last week.  Smeared this cone with peanut
> > butter and then rolled it in seeds. The birds haven't touched it yet.
>
>The WAP of Elwood fame?  Reminds me of poor Giggles worrying that he was
>going to be abandoned.

Did Elwood make it famous? Are the archives back for him to read?  He said
that they had gone missing.

Betty

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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:26:35 -0800
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>Samuel Pepys' diary is being posted as a blog:  http://www.pepysdiary.com/
>, with annotations by readers included....
>
>and I noticed a number of mentions of Greenery Press's current deals for
>readers in various friends' livejournals as well -- hope it brings in lots
>of cash, Janet!

Thanks. Pass the word. (If anybody here's interested in helping pull
a struggling small publisher through a really rotten cash-flow
crunch, go here: http://www.greenerypress.com/greenthumb .)

Janet

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> It was a beautiful day here also.  Spencer and I went on a long walk --
> sort of long, not majorly long.  Doncha hate it when a bird shits on
> your book.

Yes, but it was kind of poetic, actually:  A bird shat on Aristotle in
China.

Ann

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In a message dated 1/5/2003 12:02:45 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< That leaves the guest room, the living room,
and more or less this parlor in which I sit as non-junk rooms.
And to think that once this was so beautiful all over. Phht.

alyce >>

I wish you hadn't mentioned 'junk,' because I'm moving next month, and know
the feeling! I'm sick and tired of living on the second floor, and never able
to leave it without help, and my youngest dau in Idaho saw a house for sale
just a few away from hers that she thought was just perfect for me. Since she
has very good taste, I took her word for it, and will go to Idaho in
February. Also went back to AOL, to be able to get back in touch with y'all.
That's the latest from me in Colorado, although I'm sure it wouldn't have
hurt one bit, if you hadn't known. I'm excited about it though; there's a big
store nearby that I'll be able to reach all by myself, and that alone is
worth the trip IMHO. From a former faithful Theo

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Interestingly, they didn't leave any money to the
> Democrats.  They left the bulk to the church and
> to the Humane Society, which I thought a strange
> choice since it's a tax-supported entity.  But like you,
> she loved and protected animals and I think held them
> in higher esteem than people.

I don't understand what you mean re "a tax-supported entity."  I guess
this is dumb, but I didn't know that the Humane Society was a
tax-supported entity.

It would never occur to me to name the Democratic Party as a
beneficiary.  Political parties change much more than organizations like
animal-welfare groups or churches do.  And somehow I just don't find the
idea appealing of leaving whatever little money I have to a political
party, though I do make contributions to the Democratic Party on county,
state, and national levels (very small ones).

But back to the Humane Society.  I think I said a while back that I'm
moving back to the ASPCA as my main national animal charity because I
think it's probably a better organization.  Local humane societies are
not chapters of the national one, btw.  The Oktibbeha County Humane
Society, for example, has no official connection at all with the
national organization.  And it is indeed a worthy cause (and not "tax
supported" except that it now manages the city shelter, which gets city
funding -- but that's not funding of the OCHS -- the shelter was managed
by the city until the OCHS proposed taking over the management of it --
the city owns it -- the OCHS supports it both financially and
man/womanpowerly).

Spencer, for one, is mightily grateful to the Oktibbeha County Humane
Society.  Or at least I think he is.  Maybe I'm projecting my
gratefulness onto him and he would actually have been happier fending
for himself and foraging for rats along road sides.  Somehow I don't
think he would've been, though.  He seems pretty happy now.  I did quote
my mother here one time, didn't I, about what she thought should happen
to the creeps who abandoned Spencer?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Ann Borkin said:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > It was a beautiful day here also.  Spencer and I went on a long walk --
> > sort of long, not majorly long.  Doncha hate it when a bird shits on
> > your book.
>
> Yes, but it was kind of poetic, actually:  A bird shat on Aristotle in
> China.

Was Aristotle in China???

Karen

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On 5 Jan 2003 at 13:53, Janet Hardy wrote:

> Hmm. I couldn't see the Best of 2003 at all when using Netscape
> (Mac). It shows up fine with Explorer, though.

Sorry. I didn't deliberately do anything to discriminate against
Netscape or Mac.

I'm about to add two just-received recent pictures of Sylvia Edwards
and companion.

Coming attraction: An extended WHTM from Larry Clark--but probably
not until later. A good part of the afternoon will be taken up
listening to an exceptional cellist, Han-na Chang, play Elgar's cello
concerto (op. 85).

     mem

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I hate pdf files since they won't let you copy and paste.  I was just
reading the 2001 annual report of the Humane Society of the US to see
what I could find about tax money.  Couldn't find any real details,
though.  It listed a figure for "grants and contributions."  I guess if
they're gov't grants and are recurring, that is indeed tax support.  It
was on page 20 of this document:

http://files.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/PUBS_2001_Annual_Report.pdf

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Welcome back, Theo!  I think your moving plans are exciting.

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Betty wrote:

> Did Elwood make it famous?

I think he might have been the founder.  In any case, however, he was an
excellent tour guide.

> Are the archives back for him to read?  He said
> that they had gone missing.

Indeed he is correct.  And they don't seem to be back yet.  In spite of
the promise that tomorrow is going to be a killer day (first day of
classes always is), I am going to try to get to the bottom of the
archive disruption.  I know it is related to something the ITS people
did on Dec. 14 since that's the date they did some kind of so-called
upgrading and since that's the day the archives died.  I hate it that
FWP has all these underlings I don't even know who are doing all this
mucking around.  I miss the good old days when FWP was always online and
taking care of everything himself.

Will add a cc of this posting to him to let him know that the archive
screwup is not a minor matter.

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On 5 Jan 2003 at 17:52, Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I hate pdf files since they won't let you copy and paste.

That is not necessarily so. The creator of the file can set certain
protections that prevent the file from being altered, but that is not
always done. In this case, I had no trouble cutting from the file you
cited, although the formatting is lost here:

Contributions and grants
$44,533,362 $4,193,344 $73,430 $48,800,136 $46,482,077

    mem

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
> > I hate pdf files since they won't let you copy and paste.
>
> That is not necessarily so. The creator of the file can set certain
> protections that prevent the file from being altered, but that is not
> always done. In this case, I had no trouble cutting from the file you
> cited, although the formatting is lost here:
>
> Contributions and grants
> $44,533,362 $4,193,344 $73,430 $48,800,136 $46,482,077

Interesting (not the contributions and grants, which I'd already seen)
-- but the fact that you could cut and paste.  That suggests that the
problem in this case wasn't with the creator of the file.  Is this more
of the Gatesian plot trying to force me away from Netscape?  (And no,
I'm not going to upgrade to a higher version of Netscape.  BTDT, hated
it.)  I would really, really hate to abandon Netscape Mail as my popmail
program.

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I hate pdf files since they won't let you copy and paste.  I was just

Every one I have ever dealt with does. Use the text tool (T).

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Every one I have ever dealt with does. Use the text tool (T).

What does "the text took (T)" mean?

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I shouldn't ever go to the OCHS web page because I always want lots of
the dogs pictured there.  (But somebody seems to be goofing off re
updating.  Can't believe they're featuring so few animals right now.)
Anyway, Buster is certainly compelling:

http://www.msstate.edu/org/humane/adoption.html

He and Spencer would have great times together.  BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO
IT!

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>
>> Every one I have ever dealt with does. Use the text tool (T).
>
>What does "the text took (T)" mean?

Tool, not took. It's shaped like a T on the toolbar. Should be next to
the microscope and the hand.

Bethany

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Y'all almost let me forget!!!  It's tonight -- about ten minutes from
now.  I'm about to go put the popcorn into the microwave and settle down
in the other room.
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She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Tool, not took. It's shaped like a T on the toolbar. Should be next to
> the microscope and the hand.

Will explore next time.  Now I've gotta go turn on tv.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Evelyn Duncan said:
> She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
> a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.

Good for her!

Karen

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At 01:47 PM 1/5/2003 -1000, mem wrote:
>Coming attraction: An extended WHTM from Larry Clark--but probably
>not until later. A good part of the afternoon will be taken up
>listening to an exceptional cellist, Han-na Chang, play Elgar's cello
>concerto (op. 85).

I've heard parts of Elgar's Op. 85 courtesy of Classic FM--it's one that I
suspect I will acquire one of these days.  For Christmas, I burned a CD for
a good friend---Yo-yo Ma's Bach recordings.  He is enjoying it.

cwv

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steph:

>  I just picked up the last ten minutes of "Global Business" on bbc
>  world service, and he was interviewing  Lou Gerstner, who changed
>  IBM, and he was talking about how one of the next things he was
>  going to look at was how to change the schools in America.
>  I almost can't imagine him not looking at it from top down.

>  I love this program, but I usually catch it at 6 am Sunday
>  morning when I can't sleep.  It's online here:
>  http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/business/review_globbus.shtml

Hey I listened to this! It comes on at an ungodly hour - 3am,
something like that, and I don't always catch it but enjoy it
whenever insomnia strikes. I still don't get all these CEOs
getting excited about communicating with 10,000 employees
in one go - I mean, isn't e-mail old by now? Plus, anything
spammed to 10,000 people isn't likely to contain real
information, just lots of corporate-PR-spin. I usually
delete these unread.

>  I am hooked on Peter Day's voice.  Swoon.

Swoon indeed. I like that he's so different from the breathless
CNBC style of business reporting.

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 7:09:07 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan said:
> She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
> a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.

Good for her!


>>

I wish she had done this years ago; her health would be much better.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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> http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
> Karen Kay.

That's nice work, mem.

--Adam

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 01/05/2003 4:59:37 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
>         Those are starlings, Evelyn.  They flock together in the
> winter.  Dante uses the image when he describes the souls
> flying around in the area of hell reserved for those who
> commit carnal sins.
>
>
> Thanks!  I wonder if the makers of the Alastair Sim version of
> a Christmas Carol had read Dante because of the way they
> pictured the souls of the damned flying around.


        That there would be the argument for reading the canon :).




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Ken:

>I do so wish you hadn't brought that up.  Then again, the fault is not
>  yours, but Betty's.

Thanks for rehashing the unpleasantness. I can't remember if I wasn't
reading the list at the time or have forgotten all that happened but I
had no memory of the events you describe. I was surprised by Betty's
post, that's all.

-rashmi



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Alyce:

>Well! I have a mailbox. My car is de-snowed and de-iced. The walkway
>  back to the oil delivery place is shoveled.
>  And the water to the outdoor spigot is turned off in the basement, a
>  fall chore that I totally had forgotten. Lucky the pipe had not yet
>  burst, for there has been plenty of opportunity. Yes, it was Kevin. The
>  kids were to return today to shovel more (they did not finish
>  yesterday), but they copped out, so Dad stepped in. I tell you, he is a
>  saint!

Wow, what swell neighbors. They're such a kind and caring family.
You're lucky to have someone this nice close to you.

I'm going to turn down the worry-about-Alyce-meter a few notches!

-rashmi


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Evelyn Duncan said:
> I wish she had done this years ago; her health would be much better.

True, but be grateful that she's stopping now. Her health will still
improve.

Karen

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Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
spreading to other lymph nodes.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Oh my god Rita, I'm very sorry.  Do you live near him?

Ann

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003,
Rita Chapman wrote:

> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>

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        Thanks.  No.

Ann Borkin wrote:

> Oh my god Rita, I'm very sorry.  Do you live near him?
>
> Ann
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003,
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>>spreading to other lymph nodes.
>>--
>>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>>
>>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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> Y'all almost let me forget!!!  It's tonight -- about ten minutes from
> now.  I'm about to go put the popcorn into the microwave and settle down
> in the other room.

And I did forget, till just now. I think it's too late for me to watch it.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> The other evening, I was waiting for the bus to go to work, and
> there must have been several thousand birds sitting on the
> overhead wires.  Every so often, a flock would take off, fly around
> for a few seconds, and settle back down in a slightly different
> area.  There was one time that almost the whole flock took off
> and then settled back down.  I wish that I had had my camera
> with me so that I could have taken pictures; it was spectacular.

We have the same sight every year in San Francisco, at the Trans Bay
Terminal (bus terminal),  with starlings rising and swooping to settle on
one huge tree; then rising and swooping to settle on another huge tree.
Sometimes stragglers fly directly from one to the other.  Why do they do
this, I wonder?  And they make, collectively, a very loud
tweets-&-twitters clamor.

Ann

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Rita Chapman said:
> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.

I'm sorry, Rita. Is it treatable?

Karen

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> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman

I'm so sorry to hear this.  I have found that every
person's experience with cancer is different, so
there's no point in commenting or giving advice.
But I will say that in the past year I have been
tremendously impressed at progress that's being
made, especially with radiation.  They have that
thing so fine tuned now that a real expert can
zero in on the most challenging target . . and often
do a complete cure . . but if not, at least give almost
complete relief from pain.

What recommendations have they made?

                 - D. M.

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 7:55:06 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
True, but be grateful that she's stopping now. Her health will still
improve.


>>

Yes.  She has to go in for bone tests this week.  Tom, my brother,
will be taking her; I'm glad he's finally taking an interest in her
health.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
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> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.

Urf, I'm sorry to hear this, Rita. May he have a swift remission.

And Evelyn, good news about your Mom's use of the patch.

Alyce, I rejoice in your neighbors as well.

Sylvia, looks like you had a great holiday, what with going out for both
Christmas and New Year's! (Should there be an apostrophe there? I'm not
sure.) The kids' pictures were cute.

Theo, welcome back, and I hope you have a very uneventful move. Will moving
to Idaho get you away from the other daughter, her boyfriend, and your
grandson?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:12:00 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
.  My dad has just been
diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
spreading to other lymph nodes.

>>

I'm sorry.  I hope he has a good doctor or team of doctors.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
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In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:43:00 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
But I will say that in the past year I have been
tremendously impressed at progress that's being
made, especially with radiation.
>>

I've been trying to tell Mom that; she's still wary of
radiation because two of her brothers were badly
damaged by radiation.

Evelyn Duncan
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"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
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> In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:43:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
>
> <<
> But I will say that in the past year I have been
> tremendously impressed at progress that's being
> made, especially with radiation.
> >>
>
> I've been trying to tell Mom that; she's still wary of
> radiation because two of her brothers were badly
> damaged by radiation.
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com

This is exactly the kind of progress they have
made.  They have much better control of it
and can position it better than in the past.

                 - D. M.

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:43:59 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
And Evelyn, good news about your Mom's use of the patch.


>>

Thanks, Adam.  I was afraid that she would start smoking again,
but she's managed to stay off the cigarettes so far.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:37:54 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Why do they do
this, I wonder?
>>

Well, there was a strong wind here that evening; I think they were
trying to adjust to it.  I was afraid that that many birds would take
down one of the lines.

I got a new camera for Christmas, an Advantix C700, with zoom.
It came with one roll of color film and one of black and white;
guess which roll I put in.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:51:41 PM Central Standard Time,
dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:

<<
This is exactly the kind of progress they have
made.  They have much better control of it
and can position it better than in the past.


>>

I hope the doctors tell her that and that she listens to them.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

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But it goes on until 9:30.  This is probably the last commercial.  Gonna
turn off the computer since I have to go to bed when it ends.  Will
discuss tomorrow.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> At 12:46 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, alec wrote:
>
> >There is much debate in Philly about McNabb coming back. If he is healthy
> >enough, or should be put in if he is healthy. I think he should as he
adds
> >a twist to defenses. He has great backups, so we are not  too worried.
>
> I hope that he's in condition to play---I enjoy watching him.
>
> cwv
>

All of Philly loves watching him. He hopefully will bring us to the promised
land in San Diego.



alec

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Evelyn Duncan said:
> I got a new camera for Christmas, an Advantix C700, with zoom.
> It came with one roll of color film and one of black and white;
> guess which roll I put in.

B&W

Karen

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>Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>spreading to other lymph nodes.

Oh, dear :(

I've never heard of tonsil cancer before, so I don't know how serious
it is. I hope not very.

Janet

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Was Aristotle in China???

This is a reading of The Investigation of the Theory of Names, a 17th
century Chinese translation of Aristotle's CATEGORIES.  Whorfian questions
get posed, also translations & philosophy.

So far I don't understand much but it's one of those books I like to read
even though I'm not exactly following.

But a bird shat on it!  I can't get the stain out.

Ann

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Doris Markland wrote:
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> I just have to smile when people (like you and Natalie)
> talk about rich Republicans.

I was rather surprised that you made my simple non-political joke into a
political jibe, to tell the truth.

Betimes, there are not enough tax dollars, I feel sure, to fund whatever
humane society you mention as it should be funded.

I think it is hard to leave money to a party due to various laws. Is
there not a limit on what you can give? And whoever would bequeath
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
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> I wish you hadn't mentioned 'junk,' because I'm moving next month, and know
> the feeling!

Nice to hear from you, Theo. I was wondering about you the other day.

alyce

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 9:22:23 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan said:
> I got a new camera for Christmas, an Advantix C700, with zoom.
> It came with one roll of color film and one of black and white;
> guess which roll I put in.

B&W


>>

Yes.  When my Dad took pictures when I was a child, he had a
colorizing kit for the black-and-white photos, but I find myself
more intrigued by the black-and-white photography.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
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> She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
> a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.
>
Good for her!

alyce

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> I got a new camera for Christmas, an Advantix C700, with zoom.

I think that's the kind of camera I bought my Dad for ..his birthday?
Fathers' Day? Something. It's an APS camera with a decent zoom lens?
Whatever it is, he loves it, and I hope you enjoy yours.

--Adam
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Ann Borkin said:
> This is a reading of The Investigation of the Theory of Names, a 17th
> century Chinese translation of Aristotle's CATEGORIES.  Whorfian questions
> get posed, also translations & philosophy.
>
> So far I don't understand much but it's one of those books I like to read
> even though I'm not exactly following.

Gotcha. I can't believe you're reading this for pleasure.

> But a bird shat on it!  I can't get the stain out.

I have enough trouble getting my own stains out, let alone bird shit.

Karen

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At 08:12 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>spreading to other lymph nodes.

Well, crap.  So sorry, Rita.

Betty

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.

Drat. Tonsils! Never have heard of that before. I am sorry to hear it.

alyce

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 9:36:05 PM Central Standard Time,
adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<<
Whatever it is, he loves it, and I hope you enjoy yours.


>>

Thanks!  I prefer the APS for point-and-shoot cameras, but
I would love to have a SLR 35 mm camera with different
lenses.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 10:21 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> >
> > >There is much debate in Philly about McNabb coming back. If he is healthy
> > >enough, or should be put in if he is healthy. I think he should as he
>adds
> > >a twist to defenses. He has great backups, so we are not  too worried.
> >
> > I hope that he's in condition to play---I enjoy watching him.
> >
> > cwv
> >
>
>All of Philly loves watching him. He hopefully will bring us to the promised
>land in San Diego.

I didn't think San Francisco was going to make it, and I doubt they will
make it past the next round. Good day for football.

Betty

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>
>Yes.  When my Dad took pictures when I was a child, he had a
>colorizing kit for the black-and-white photos, but I find myself
>more intrigued by the black-and-white photography.
>
>Evelyn Duncan

It's more of an art, imo.

Betty

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At 07:27 PM 1/5/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Ann Borkin said:
> > This is a reading of The Investigation of the Theory of Names, a 17th
> > century Chinese translation of Aristotle's CATEGORIES.  Whorfian questions
> > get posed, also translations & philosophy.
> >
> > So far I don't understand much but it's one of those books I like to read
> > even though I'm not exactly following.
>
>Gotcha. I can't believe you're reading this for pleasure.
>
> > But a bird shat on it!  I can't get the stain out.
>
>I have enough trouble getting my own stains out, let alone bird shit.

What kind of stains are you leaving around.

Betty

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alyce cresap said:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> > Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> > diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> > spreading to other lymph nodes.
>
> Drat. Tonsils! Never have heard of that before. I am sorry to hear it.

At least they can be removed.

Karen

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 9:49:32 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<<
It's more of an art, imo.


>>

Yes, with black-and-white, you have to do most of the work yourself.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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> Doris Markland wrote:
> >
>
> > I just have to smile when people (like you and Natalie)
> > talk about rich Republicans.
>
> I was rather surprised that you made my simple non-political joke into
a
> political jibe, to tell the truth.

Not to take it too seriously.  There has just been a
superfluency of rich Republican comments
lately with the implication that (only Republicans
are rich) or (all Republicans are rich) or
(Republicans only want to help the rich), etc.
but I haven't kept track of who made the
comments nor do I care.  It's a legend I heard
all my life, so it's not new.

> Betimes, there are not enough tax dollars, I feel sure, to fund
whatever
> humane society you mention as it should be funded.
>
> I think it is hard to leave money to a party due to various laws. Is
> there not a limit on what you can give? And whoever would bequeath
> anything major to a political party in the first place? Never heard of
> such a thing from either side of the fence.

I haven't heard of it either, but there must be some
reason why.  Seems logical that people could do so
unless there's a law against it.  Some people have
strong enough feelings that they would care what
happens even after they die.

                  - D. M.
>
> alyce
>

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Betty said:
> What kind of stains are you leaving around.

I'm pretty sure you don't really need or want to know.

Karen

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 9:35:27 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
> a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.
>
Good for her!


>>

Yes!  She's always been nervous, so I'm glad she's sticking with
the program.

Because of her illness, I can't quit Sears yet, but I don't have to
work with Annegret as much as I used to.  Daniel's given up on
her, too.  He said that he wasn't mad that she had crossed him
off the schedule for today because he didn't want to work with her.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 07:50 PM 1/5/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > What kind of stains are you leaving around.
>
>I'm pretty sure you don't really need or want to know.

Thank you.

BB

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In a message dated 1/5/2003 7:12:13 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
<< Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
spreading to other lymph nodes.
 >>
I'm very sorry he has to experience this. Hopefully, it can be cured without
any ill affects. Theo

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In a message dated 1/5/2003 8:31:04 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Nice to hear from you, Theo. I was wondering about you the other day.
 >>

Nice to be remembered, Ally. Been thinking about you too, and how your health
is coming along. Are you off the oxygen yet? Theo

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In a message dated 1/5/2003 4:53:31 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Welcome back, Theo!  I think your moving plans are exciting. >>

Thanks, Natalie, I think so too, but of course I'd be rather weird if I
didn't think so.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/5/2003 5:48:46 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.
 >>

I didn't have any such luck when I wore them when I was in the rehab place.
Does she not have any cravings either? Please tell her that I admire her, Theo

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In a message dated 01/05/2003 11:28:39 PM Central Standard Time,
Groothof2@AOL.COM writes:

<<
I didn't have any such luck when I wore them when I was in the rehab place.
Does she not have any cravings either? Please tell her that I admire her, Theo




>>

Welcome back, Theo!

Yes, she says she wants a cigarette in the evening when I'm at work.
But she hasn't touched them.


Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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On 5 Jan 2003 at 20:27, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:

> I've heard parts of Elgar's Op. 85 courtesy of Classic FM--it's one
> that I suspect I will acquire one of these days.

I was unfamiliar with it until I bought a recording to listen to in
preparation for this concert. As it turns out, I like it a great
deal. It leans, for the most part, toward the dark side--natural
since it is essentially an elegy for the casualties of World War I.

I am absolutely in love with Han-Na Chang. She plays with great
technical skill, of course, but also with extraordinary passion for
someone so young (20). The last time she was here--last year or year
before--she played a piece by Shostakovich that was simply dazzling.
If you like cello soloists (and I can appreciate that not everyone
does), she is one worth seeing and hearing, if you have the
opportunity.

   mem

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http://www.punkmac.com/source/go.php?id=laidoff

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This morning we were down to -16 C and tomorrow -20 is expected. I am adding new layers of clothing every day and soon I might not be able to walk. Too cold for skiing, for me at least.

Espen

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09:08 03.01.2003 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:

>10,000 steps is about 5 miles. In an average day, the average American

This fits with a "mille passus" being 1000 double steps.

Espen

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09:09 03.01.2003 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>Paul R. Barfoot said:
>> > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
>> > and they are flung all over my patio.
>> >
>> > Karen
>>
>> Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...
>
>Canned.

If you tried fresh oysters (removed from the shells), you might get a different reaction.

Espen

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10:43 03.01.2003 -0800 skrev Janet Hardy:
>>Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>> Maybe it's inviting all its friends over for a party while you're sleeping.
>>
>>Maybe.
>>
>>Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
>>and they are flung all over my patio.
>
>Neither Amy nor Happy will eat oysters either, at least not raw ones.

Ah, so I was wrong. I have experienced cats going mad about boiled prawns, but raw oysters may be something else.

Espen

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21:20 03.01.2003 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 06:05 PM 1/3/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>>I thought Bonnie was talking about dry vs. wet snow. But yes, it does
>>get too cold to snow. I forget when, and hope never to need that
>>information.
>
>Bonnie was.  As for the "too cold,"  most really cold weather is associated
>with high pressure areas and clear skies.

Indeed. I am about to put on my many layers of clothing and get a bus to my acupunctor. Clear skies, -16 C.

Espen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
> a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.

That's excellent!

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.

I've never heard of tonsil cancer before.  The spreading part is the
scary part (obviously -- why am I bothering to say that?).

What symptom did he have, or was it discovered by chance?  (I'm asking
that for personal reasons -- have been wondering why for many months now
I've felt a little bumpy thing somewhere in the tonsil vicinity.)

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> And I did forget, till just now. I think it's too late for me to watch it.

That's a shame!  You need to rent the tape.  It's wonderful.  It's quite
easy, btw, to see the exact nature of Casey's butt-rip when watching for
it.  But we will never know where the dogs stayed while Robbie and Sam
were in California.

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> But a bird shat on it!  I can't get the stain out.

Is it your book?  If so, you should be happy for the stain since it will
forever remind you of that pretty Sunday afternoon.  I still look
sometimes at a book with a Bernard pawprint in it from my backyard two
houses ago and remember his jumping onto that page when he was just a
puppy.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I think it is hard to leave money to a party due to various laws. Is
> there not a limit on what you can give?

I think the only limit is on how much you can give to a particular
candidate in a particular election.  But I'm not really sure of the
rules.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>>spreading to other lymph nodes.
>>
>
> I'm sorry, Rita. Is it treatable?


        I don't know much about it, but they took his tonsils out
right after Christmas, and he is scheduled for radiation
treatment starting when he gets back from Florida (he's
going on a motorcycle roadtrip with one of his buddies for a
week).  They didn't tell me a whole lot, so I don't know
what else is going on.  The only things I know about this
type of cancer are what I have managed to chase down on
websites.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 05:34:49AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Adam Hartfield wrote:
=
= > And I did forget, till just now. I think it's too late for me to watch it.
=
= That's a shame!  You need to rent the tape.  It's wonderful.  It's quite
= easy, btw, to see the exact nature of Casey's butt-rip when watching for
= it.  But we will never know where the dogs stayed while Robbie and Sam
= were in California.
=

Don't succumb Adam.  Stay with me in non-real-wordslerdom.  I
haven't seen the damn thing either.  I almost caught it once by
accident on tv.  I missed the very beginning so I didn't know
what I was watching, and at some point between the scientists and
the dogs I'd figured out what it was, and since I was bored
anyway I turned it OFF.

vain snotty brat, and not real wordsler

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>>spreading to other lymph nodes.
>>
>
> I've never heard of tonsil cancer before.  The spreading part is the
> scary part (obviously -- why am I bothering to say that?).
>
> What symptom did he have, or was it discovered by chance?  (I'm asking
> that for personal reasons -- have been wondering why for many months now
> I've felt a little bumpy thing somewhere in the tonsil vicinity.)


        He had a little bump on his neck, I guess.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Doris Markland wrote:

> Not to take it too seriously.  There has just been a
> superfluency of rich Republican comments
> lately with the implication that (only Republicans
> are rich)

That would be absurd to imply or infer, given the obvious examples to
the contrary.

> or (all Republicans are rich)

If that were true, then there would be no need to use the adjective at
all.

> or
> (Republicans only want to help the rich),

This one is the closest to truth, imho, although it's obviously not the
intent of every individual Republican.  It's a general thread in many
Republican platforms/policies/stances.

> unless there's a law against it.  Some people have
> strong enough feelings that they would care what
> happens even after they die.

But how would they know that the party they're supporting alive will
keep standing for the same things after they're dead?  You could say
that about anything, of course -- church, charitable cause, whatever.
But I think less change in position would be likely with other entities
than with a political party.

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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 12:56:24PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > You know, I used to make it a point not to post drunk to the
= > list.  But now that I'm a vain, snotty brat, it really can't get
= > much worse.  Guess I'll have to try it next time the opportunity
= > avails.
=
= When did you become vain and snotty? Are you tidy, too?
=
= Karen

You remember I confessed to not being able to say thank you and
smile when given gifts?  Rita called me a snotty brat.  Probably
she's right.  And Bonnie called me vain just the other day when I
confessed to know everything or to at least make up a good
answer.  I'm not tidy, but dammit, my house looks good.  We have
a junk wall, which is full of papers and things to be dealt with
and the stacks never get smaller.  But the recycling is under it,
and the coatrack is next to it, so it's fairly confined.  I also
have two other hidden places to stash things that I really need
to go through.  Once a week we make that house perfect.

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Michael E. Macmillan said:
> If you like cello soloists (and I can appreciate that not everyone
> does), she is one worth seeing and hearing, if you have the
> opportunity.

How can you not like cello soloists?!

Karen

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Espen Ore said:
> 09:09 03.01.2003 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
> >Paul R. Barfoot said:
> >> > Did I tell you about the oyster experiment? Cat doesn't like oysters,
> >> > and they are flung all over my patio.
> >> >
> >> > Karen
> >>
> >> Perhaps if you removed them from the shells...
> >
> >Canned.
>
> If you tried fresh oysters (removed from the shells), you might get a different reaction.

If I get any fresh oysters, they aren't going to the cat!

Karen

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At 12:45 PM 1/6/2003 +0100, steph wrote:

>Don't succumb Adam.  Stay with me in non-real-wordslerdom.  I
>haven't seen the damn thing either.

Nor have I.  I suppose I can understand Natalie's obsession with it but I
don't see why she tries to involve everyone else in her obsession.  Perhaps
she is obsessed about obsessions.

cwv

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>And Bonnie called me vain just the other day when I
>confessed to know everything or to at least make up a good
>answer.

Ah, no.   It's just that your .sig tagline one day reminded me of a
song:  "You're so vain, I bet you think this song is about you, don't you?
don't you?  You're where you should be all the time, and when you're not,
you're with ... ..."   Carly Simon song referring to whatshisname.


    --bonniev

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06:14 04.01.2003 -0800 skrev Betty:

>Espen, did you stuff the bird?

Yes! With pureed chestnuts, onion and chopped chicken livers.

Espen

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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 09:24:32AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= >And Bonnie called me vain just the other day when I
= >confessed to know everything or to at least make up a good
= >answer.
=
= Ah, no.   It's just that your .sig tagline one day reminded me of a
= song:  "You're so vain, I bet you think this song is about you, don't you?
= don't you?  You're where you should be all the time, and when you're not,
= you're with ... ..."   Carly Simon song referring to whatshisname.
=
=
=     --bonniev

Oh, just a reminder of this part: You're where you should be all
the time, and when you're not, you're with ... ...", not the vain
part about knowing everything, eh?  Mick Jagger, no?

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11:07 04.01.2003 -0600 skrev Anne Toal:
>Just saw the snow coming down in Portland, Maine. That inspired me to take a
>couple of not-very-artistic snapshots of the back yard, so you can see what
>kind of weather we're having this morning in deep South Texas.
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24F315F2

And while there is still some light (if there is any at all which there is not in Tromsø), here are some webcams in Norway just now:

<http://www.vg.no/foto/kamera/index.hbs>

Espen

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I'm in a hurry this morning, closing the bags, leaving soon
for Omaha to fly out of there tomorrow morning.  But I
must mention that it may be of interest to some to read
the article in the NYT this morning on the closing of the
generation gap.  

It was interesting to me because over Xmas my daughter
and I were talking about the Baby Boomers.  I said it was
my experience that no generation before seemed to have
such a hard time with parents (and vice versa).  I think
before the BB, the eye-rolling was unheard of.  The "let
me out 2 blocks from the school so no one will see you
(the parents)" attitude.  

Anyway, the article says that is changing.

Will write from the beach.

                  - D. M.

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Doris Markland said:
> It was interesting to me because over Xmas my daughter
> and I were talking about the Baby Boomers.  I said it was
> my experience that no generation before seemed to have
> such a hard time with parents (and vice versa).  I think
> before the BB, the eye-rolling was unheard of.  The "let
> me out 2 blocks from the school so no one will see you
> (the parents)" attitude.

Um, I think the Boomers were the first ones to drive their kids to
school. I walked or took the bus.

In any case, judging from my Mom's stories, and those of her sibs,
they had plenty of that.

Karen

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>Oh, just a reminder of this part: You're where you should be all
>the time, and when you're not, you're with ... ...", not the vain
>part about knowing everything, eh?  Mick Jagger, no?

Right.  No, I don't think it was Mick Jagger.  It was someone else that she
was once married to.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 01/06/2003 5:27:55 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> She's on her second week of the nicotine patch; she hasn't touched
> a cigarette since she started wearing the patch.

That's excellent!


>>

Now we have to find a way to beat the cancer.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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bonniev said:
> >Oh, just a reminder of this part: You're where you should be all
> >the time, and when you're not, you're with ... ...", not the vain
> >part about knowing everything, eh?  Mick Jagger, no?
>
> Right.  No, I don't think it was Mick Jagger.  It was someone else that she
> was once married to.

I thought it was Mick Jagger, too.

Karen

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In a message dated 01/06/2003 8:25:34 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Carly Simon song referring to whatshisname.

>>

James Taylor, I heard.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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20:39 04.01.2003 -0800 skrev Betty:
>At 07:57 PM 1/4/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>>Michael E. Macmillan said:
>>> On 4 Jan 2003 at 19:11, Betty wrote:
>>> > Can I read it in the archives?
>>>
>>> http://www.words-l.net ->Text Archive -> What Happened to Me . . . ->
>>> Karen Kay.
>>
>>Whoa! You've been busy!
>>
>>I like that color green.
>
>Good job, mem!

Yes!

Espen

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>bonniev said:
> > >Oh, just a reminder of this part: You're where you should be all
> > >the time, and when you're not, you're with ... ...", not the vain
> > >part about knowing everything, eh?  Mick Jagger, no?
> >
> > Right.  No, I don't think it was Mick Jagger.  It was someone else that she
> > was once married to.
>
>I thought it was Mick Jagger, too.
>Karen

I thought it was James Taylor.


    --bonniev

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11:24 05.01.2003 -0600 skrev Sylvia Edwards:
>and anyone else interested in pictures of Christmas with Sly's Grand Babies
>
>A series of photo pages begins at
>http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas2.html
>
>
>My favorite set is http://www.geocities.com/s.words/christmas7.html

When I get another grandchild in May (if things work according to plan) I might see three like that.

Espen

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Florida is sounding nicer, or an apartment.


alec




At 02:30 PM 1/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The kids came to shovel and reported to me that a snowplow took out my
>mailbox post. This means no mail out, no mail in.
>And that means that I will have to go to the p.o. each day.
>The piles of snow from the plows are about 8' high. I think they will be
>there for some weeks to come and that putting a mailbox post into the
>ground is not going to happen for many moons.
>
>Oh, crap. Pardon me.
>
>alyce
>--
>alyce cresap, books & ephemera
>po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
>518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
>http://www.alybooks.com
>charter member: IOBA
>independent on-line booksellers association
>selling books since 1963

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Doris Markland wrote:
> my experience that no generation before seemed to have
> such a hard time with parents (and vice versa).  I think
> before the BB, the eye-rolling was unheard of.

Wrong.

Ann
-former eye-roller-

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Thanks for reminding me. We saw Monster's Ball this weekend. That was an
amazing movie. Halle does some very nice sex scenes :) and Billy Bob can act.



alec




At 01:36 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
>wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
>looking at her.
>
>Janet

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At 07:18 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >I hate pdf files since they won't let you copy and paste.  I was just
>
>Every one I have ever dealt with does. Use the text tool (T).
>
>Bethany

Does it work on reader, or only the full version.




alec

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At 08:12 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>spreading to other lymph nodes.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>


Ouch!  was he a smoker?



alec

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Alec D. Plotkin quoted Janet:
> At 01:36 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
> >wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
> >looking at her.
> >
> >Janet

This reminds me--the paper had a quote from Queen Latifah. She said
that people are always telling her how sexy she would be if she lost a
few pounds, and she says that she tells them that she's already sexy.

Karen

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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 11:44:54AM -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
= At 07:18 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
= >On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >
= > >I hate pdf files since they won't let you copy and paste.  I was just
= >
= >Every one I have ever dealt with does. Use the text tool (T).
= >
= >Bethany
=
= Does it work on reader, or only the full version.
=

it works in the reader.  it also works in the reader if your
browser launches the reader as a plugin.  you do, however, need
to use a mouse to select both the T-lasso tool and the copy
button in the plugin, or just the T-lasso tool in the reader and
then the standard windoze copy methods (there's no button, this
is surprisingly poorly designed!)

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 1:52:32 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

<< This morning we were down to -16 C and tomorrow -20 is expected. >>

Brrrrrr Theo

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> Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
> wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
> looking at her.
>
> Janet


I saw "About Schmidt" last week....it was more of a comedy (if one measures
by the audience's laughter) than I expected....and it was terrific. Kudos to
Kathy Bates's gumption...I didn't think they'd pan below her shoulders and
...they did. I'll blame Schmidt's reaction to her invitation-of-sorts on
Hollywood's unrealistic body standards.

I also caught (ha ha) "Catch Me If You Can" which was even better than I'd
expected. DiCaprio is a much better actor than I gave him credit for.

Sandra

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:47:40 -0800
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>Thanks for reminding me. We saw Monster's Ball this weekend. That was an
>amazing movie. Halle does some very nice sex scenes :) and Billy Bob can act.

Yes -- not a cheery movie, but a very good one. Halle actually
deserved her Oscar, which I never would have believed after seeing
Bulworth.

Janet

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:48:32 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: for those who haven't heard...
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>Alec D. Plotkin quoted Janet:
>>  At 01:36 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>  >Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
>>  >wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
>  > >looking at her.
>
>This reminds me--the paper had a quote from Queen Latifah. She said
>that people are always telling her how sexy she would be if she lost a
>few pounds, and she says that she tells them that she's already sexy.

Oh my lord yes.

Wait till you see her in Chicago.

Janet

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>
>
> >On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:48:52PM -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >= > How many CD's do you have, Adam?  We have a bookcase that we use
> >= > for  CD storage, and have no trouble fitting 400 CD's in there
> >= > with plenty of room to grow.    But I realize that 400 CD's is
> >= > really not all that many.
> >=
> >= I have maybe 800 or 850 compact discs.
> >=
> >
> >I've just had a look at my bookcase (guests were occupying the
> >room it's in over the weekend), and you could fit the bulk of
> >your cd's in it.  It's 80 cm x 200 cm, and has space for 12
> >shelves of cd's in it.  My 400 cd's take up six comfortably
> >packed shelves, and the start of a seventh.  They just sit loose
> >in the shelf, not in any cd rack.  The bookcase wasn't built for
> >this - not all of the shelves are supported by the official
> >little shelf pegs; some of them just have blocks of wood at
> >either end supporting the shelf above it.  (hmm, punctuation gone
> >mad there, eh?)
> >
> >Anyway, it's a solution I'm happy with.
>
> I need to buy a new CD rack soon myself. It's not that I have a whole
> lot of CDs -- I doubt that there are more than 150 or so in there.
> But with Ben's Playstation games, both of our DVDs, and a handful of
> videos that don't fit in the entertainment center, it's overflowing.
>
> Janet
>

I've got one you can have. It holds up to 400 CDs and it's maybe 4 ft tall
and 2 ft wide. As deep as a CD. Unpainted wood. I've been happy with it but
I got a larger one. I have a ton of CDs.

Sandra

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:50:50 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>I saw "About Schmidt" last week....it was more of a comedy (if one measures
>by the audience's laughter) than I expected....and it was terrific.

Interesting. The audience I saw it with didn't laugh much at all. And
I thought the movie was rather tedious, although the performances
were excellent.

>Kudos to
>Kathy Bates's gumption...I didn't think they'd pan below her shoulders and
>...they did. I'll blame Schmidt's reaction to her invitation-of-sorts on
>Hollywood's unrealistic body standards.

Naah. She scared him to death; her body had little or nothing to do with it.

>I also caught (ha ha) "Catch Me If You Can" which was even better than I'd
>expected. DiCaprio is a much better actor than I gave him credit for.

He used to be that good -- watch "Gilbert Grape" sometime -- but he's
kind of lost it since Titanic. I was delighted to see him back in
form.

Janet

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>I've got one you can have. It holds up to 400 CDs and it's maybe 4 ft tall
>and 2 ft wide. As deep as a CD. Unpainted wood. I've been happy with it but
>I got a larger one. I have a ton of CDs.

Sounds perfect. I'll drop you a line next time I'm going to be in SF,
and we can set up a time for me to pick it up. Thanks!!

Janet

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>
> In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:12:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
> <<
> .  My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.
>

That's a new one for me...never heard of tonsil cancer. I thought most
everyone had their tonsils out....I had mine out when I was 5. But I
understand doctor's don't remove them like they used to. And maybe they
didn't remove them as much as I thought they did.

Regardless....

I'm sorry to hear of your father's condition....and how it must be affecting
all those who love him.

Sandra

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> > In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:43:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> > dmarkld@NCFCOMM.COM writes:
> >
> > <<
> > But I will say that in the past year I have been
> > tremendously impressed at progress that's being
> > made, especially with radiation.
> > >>
> >
> > I've been trying to tell Mom that; she's still wary of
> > radiation because two of her brothers were badly
> > damaged by radiation.
> >
> > Evelyn Duncan
> > brandykitt@aol.com
>
> This is exactly the kind of progress they have
> made.  They have much better control of it
> and can position it better than in the past.
>
>                  - D. M.

At a dinner party last night, my friend told me her cervical cancer is
vastly reduced (she's already survived breast & brain cancer)...she's been
going through radiation treatments 2x/week...but she's not eager to credit
that for her current improved health. She refuses to have any more radiation
after the next two treatments.

Sandra

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>
> >I saw "About Schmidt" last week....it was more of a comedy (if
> one measures
> >by the audience's laughter) than I expected....and it was terrific.
>
> Interesting. The audience I saw it with didn't laugh much at all. And
> I thought the movie was rather tedious, although the performances
> were excellent.

> Janet

I saw it with a friend down near the Marina. I'll blame all the snickering
on the location.

Sandra

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>
> >I've got one you can have. It holds up to 400 CDs and it's maybe
> 4 ft tall
> >and 2 ft wide. As deep as a CD. Unpainted wood. I've been happy
> with it but
> >I got a larger one. I have a ton of CDs.
>
> Sounds perfect. I'll drop you a line next time I'm going to be in SF,
> and we can set up a time for me to pick it up. Thanks!!
>
> Janet

Be sure to email me offlist. I haven't had the time to be one much lately
and I seem to be getting even busier.

I'm moving to Oakland for 3 months starting in Feb. (housesitting for
relatives in my favorite house in the world). Just been highly
social....it's all been good.

Got an IPod for Xmas and found out it doesn't work with Windows 98...and so
I've purchased (it's been 5 years since I bought a new computer) a new Dell.
I'm super thrilled about getting a flat panel display. My computer furniture
will work much better with that than the current monster monitor that now
occupies the space. I should get the computer in about a week. Mine's been
real clunky lately.

Made Rabbit Cattitore (sp?) last night and picked up a lot of Russian veggie
side dishes/salads and a russian cake to my friend's house for dinner.

Managed to keep my lost weight lost over the holidays....very pleased about
that. And now I want to lose another 50 or so this year.

I take my real estate exam in late Jan. I took a two-day review this
weekend...did great in the math, less than great when tested on the
definitions. I thought it would be the other way around.

I'm spending 15 min a day on Words-l. What I get to, is what I get to.

Til tomorrie....

Sandra

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>  >I saw "About Schmidt" last week....it was more of a comedy (if
>  > one measures
>>  >by the audience's laughter) than I expected....and it was terrific.
>>
>>  Interesting. The audience I saw it with didn't laugh much at all. And
>>  I thought the movie was rather tedious, although the performances
>  > were excellent.
>
>I saw it with a friend down near the Marina. I'll blame all the snickering
>on the location.

Really? That would have annoyed me greatly. Whether it's true or not,
I'd interpret it as a bunch of overprivileged Boomers who think
getting old and being middle-class and living in the Midwest are
inherently funny.

Janet

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Alec D. Plotkin quoted Janet:
> >>  At 01:36 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >>  >Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
> >>  >wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
> >  > >looking at her.
> >
> >This reminds me--the paper had a quote from Queen Latifah. She said
> >that people are always telling her how sexy she would be if she lost a
> >few pounds, and she says that she tells them that she's already sexy.
>
> Oh my lord yes.
>
> Wait till you see her in Chicago.

That's what the comment was made about, I think. I'll have to wait
till it comes to the $1.50 theater.

Karen

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  Are you off the oxygen yet?

Huh? I never will be off it until I am in the ground.

alyce

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02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Michael E. Macmillan said:
> > If you like cello soloists (and I can appreciate that not everyone
> > does), she is one worth seeing and hearing, if you have the
> > opportunity.
>
> How can you not like cello soloists?!

I hate cello soloists. Stupid smug bastards. I also hate the
stupid word "soloist". It has no rhythm.

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02003-01-05 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > I just have to smile when people (like you and Natalie)
> > talk about rich Republicans.
>
> I was rather surprised that you made my simple non-political joke into a
> political jibe, to tell the truth.

I wonder whether it could be called "snotty" ...

(If you switched parties in it, of course)

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02003-01-06 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> At 12:45 PM 1/6/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>
> >Don't succumb Adam.  Stay with me in non-real-wordslerdom.  I
> >haven't seen the damn thing either.
>
> Nor have I.  I suppose I can understand Natalie's obsession with it but I
> don't see why she tries to involve everyone else in her obsession.  Perhaps
> she is obsessed about obsessions.

newbies butt out

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At 09:14 AM 1/6/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 12:45 PM 1/6/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>
>>Don't succumb Adam.  Stay with me in non-real-wordslerdom.  I
>>haven't seen the damn thing either.
>
>Nor have I.  I suppose I can understand Natalie's obsession with it but I
>don't see why she tries to involve everyone else in her obsession.  Perhaps
>she is obsessed about obsessions.

Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.

Betty

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On 6 Jan 2003 at 12:55, Tushar Samant wrote:

> I hate cello soloists. Stupid smug bastards. I also hate the
> stupid word "soloist". It has no rhythm.

No doubt you prefer the stupid sitar. Has alliteration if not
rhythm.

    mem

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Michael E. Macmillan said:
> > > If you like cello soloists (and I can appreciate that not everyone
> > > does), she is one worth seeing and hearing, if you have the
> > > opportunity.
> >
> > How can you not like cello soloists?!
>
> I hate cello soloists. Stupid smug bastards. I also hate the
> stupid word "soloist". It has no rhythm.

Why do you think cello soloists are smug? Where you mugged by one in Bombay?

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-05 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> > > I just have to smile when people (like you and Natalie)
> > > talk about rich Republicans.
> >
> > I was rather surprised that you made my simple non-political joke into a
> > political jibe, to tell the truth.
>
> I wonder whether it could be called "snotty" ...

Or snide?

> (If you switched parties in it, of course)

Karen

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For the record

Got the CT scan this morning. It snowed another inch in the night.
Luckily the cleaning lady came just before I needed to leave, and she
shoveled a path and cleaned off the car. This was lucky, as it would
have been hard for me to do. Now she goes to Florida tomorrow until
mid-April, so the house will not have clean floors for a long while.
Unless, of course, Snow Bashers want to come. I have two mops and three
vacuums.

alyce

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I'd like to state--calmly, without a smidgeon of aggravation--that
"pasta with bits of ham" is a very wrong description of bbq pork
noodles. Wrong on a large number levels.

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Tushar Samant wrote:
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> I'd like to state--calmly,

It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
revelation.

alyce

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> > I hate cello soloists. Stupid smug bastards. I also hate the
> > stupid word "soloist". It has no rhythm.

Perhaps if you spelled it celloiste...

>
> Why do you think cello soloists are smug? Where you mugged by one in Bombay?
>
> Karen

My opinion:  there's always room for cello


I have spoken


BrP

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At 02:16 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>For the record
>
>Got the CT scan this morning. It snowed another inch in the night.
>Luckily the cleaning lady came just before I needed to leave, and she
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>have been hard for me to do. Now she goes to Florida tomorrow until
>mid-April, so the house will not have clean floors for a long while.
>Unless, of course, Snow Bashers want to come. I have two mops and three
>vacuums.

I wonder if I can get extra time off?  Might have to cut the July trip short.

When will you get the CT scan results?  Couldn't your cleaning lady
recommend someone else in her absence?

Betty

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Tushar Samant said:
> I'd like to state--calmly, without a smidgeon of aggravation--that
> "pasta with bits of ham" is a very wrong description of bbq pork
> noodles. Wrong on a large number levels.

But of course.

Ob Game:  Dal is accepted.

Karen

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In a message dated 01/06/2003 11:52:45 AM Central Standard Time,
Sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
She refuses to have any more radiation
after the next two treatments.

>>

I wonder why she's refusing.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 01/06/2003 1:13:53 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Got the CT scan this morning.
>>

It was good, I hope.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 02:45 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > I hate cello soloists. Stupid smug bastards. I also hate the
> > > stupid word "soloist". It has no rhythm.
>
>Perhaps if you spelled it celloiste...
>
> >
> > Why do you think cello soloists are smug? Where you mugged by one in
> Bombay?
> >
> > Karen
>
>My opinion:  there's always room for cello
>
>
>I have spoken

Ooooh, you must have had a week holiday!  Are you staying in the country
this year?  Are you going to Maine in July?  Bring your brother!

Betty

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> My opinion:  there's always room for cello
>
>
> I have spoken
>
>
> BrP

LOL.

Celloists are pretty mellow, IME.

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> It was good, I hope.

I hope, too. We shall see.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > I just have to smile when people (like you and Natalie)
> > > talk about rich Republicans.
> >
> > I was rather surprised that you made my simple non-political joke into a
> > political jibe, to tell the truth.
>
> I wonder whether it could be called "snotty" ...

I don't remember now what the joke was.  (Or is it Doris's reaction
you're referring to, not the joke?)

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S Hess wrote:
> I thought most
> everyone had their tonsils out....I had mine out when I was 5. But I
> understand doctor's don't remove them like they used to.

Again I'm feeling like a member of a much younger generation.  In my
parents' generation tonsils were removed routinely.  By my generation
they weren't.  (I was born in 1943.)  Our pediatrician told my mother
that tonsils served a useful purpose and should be kept unless they were
causing serious problems.  I'm not sure exactly what purpose it is that
they're serving, but mine are still serving away.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Um, I think the Boomers were the first ones to drive their kids to
> school.

Not.  My closest group of life-long friends is "The Carpool," so named
for the carpool that started when we were in elementary school and
continued through high school.  By high school we were driving our
mothers' cars to school on our days (except for two of our members who
drove their own cars -- red convertibles -- on their days).  But in
elementary school and most of junior high the mothers drove.  My day was
Thursday.

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In a message dated 01/06/2003 1:01:38 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.


>>

And then he left.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Betty Clark wrote:
>
> When will you get the CT scan results?

They said, "A couple of days."

> Couldn't your cleaning lady recommend someone else in her absence?

Nope. They are hard to find, or at least honest ones are. Her
predecessor ripped me off and I am not eager to try untested waters
again.

alyce

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At 01:25 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, tushar wrote:
>I'd like to state--calmly, without a smidgeon of aggravation--that
>"pasta with bits of ham" is a very wrong description of bbq pork
>noodles. Wrong on a large number levels.

I would imagine so.

cwv

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02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to state--calmly,
>
> It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> revelation.

You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
is called "ham" to your face?

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.

Myles was involved, but he was far from the only one.  "Outbreak" is
<the list movie> in the way "Virgils" is <the list restaurant>.
Remember all those "Outbreak" subject headers for days and days?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 02:55 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 01/06/2003 1:01:38 PM Central Standard Time,
>bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
><<
>Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.
>
>
> >>
>
>And then he left.

No, he was around for a long time after that.  We are going to see him on
the 19th of this month.  He has been busy having a life and spending less
time on the computer he said.  It's healthier for him.

Betty

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At 02:30 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> >
> > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > revelation.
>
>You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
>is called "ham" to your face?


Semantics I tell you. Pig is Pig. Tasty and very good.


alec





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Alec D. Plotkin
plotkina@isc.upenn.edu

"Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
- Albert Einstein

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> Again I'm feeling like a member of a much younger generation.  In my
> parents' generation tonsils were removed routinely.  By my generation
> they weren't.  (I was born in 1943.)  Our pediatrician told my mother
> that tonsils served a useful purpose and should be kept unless they were
> causing serious problems.  I'm not sure exactly what purpose it is that
> they're serving, but mine are still serving away.


I remember my doctor explaining to me that my tonsils were like little soldiers
fighting off the germs in my throat, but that in my case the little soldiers had defected
and were fighting for the enemy so it was time to get rid of them.  I still have an
image of tonsils wearing little uniforms complete with helmets.

BrP


>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> At 02:30 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> > >
> > > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > > revelation.
> >
> >You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> >is called "ham" to your face?
>
>
> Semantics I tell you. Pig is Pig. Tasty and very good.
>
>
> alec


I could understand ham being comfortable being called "pig" but I think barbcue pork
would be very uncomfortable.  And what is sausage, chopped liver?


BrP



>
>
>
>
>
> ------------
> Alec D. Plotkin
> plotkina@isc.upenn.edu
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding"
> - Albert Einstein

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At 01:54 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Betty Clark wrote:
>
> > Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.
>
>Myles was involved, but he was far from the only one.  "Outbreak" is
><the list movie> in the way "Virgils" is <the list restaurant>.
>Remember all those "Outbreak" subject headers for days and days?

Myles counted them.  It was just before my time.

Betty

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>Remember all those "Outbreak" subject headers for days and days?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Yes, I do.  It kept me from joining the list.  I couldn't understand the
attraction that Betty saw in words-l.  I tried.  I grew weary.  I
left.   Alas, I returned.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Again I'm feeling like a member of a much younger generation.  In my
> parents' generation tonsils were removed routinely.

Mine went when I was about four. Jeff had his out when he was 20 or 21,
and it was terribly painful. The doctors said it was harder when you are
older. Doug still has his. I remember especially that I took a doll to
the hospital and in the night it fell through the bars of the crib they
had me in. I was so distraught and couldn't cry out to get the doll
back, and I cried all night.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I don't remember now what the joke was.  (Or is it Doris's reaction
> you're referring to, not the joke?)

I said that for the rich they (the birds) sing, in response to Borkin's
birdshit problem. Doris replied something about my being a Democrat, for
some unknown reason.

alyce
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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Tushar Samant wrote:
> You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> is called "ham" to your face?

Not I.

alyce


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Natalie Maynor said:
> S Hess wrote:
> > I thought most
> > everyone had their tonsils out....I had mine out when I was 5. But I
> > understand doctor's don't remove them like they used to.
>
> Again I'm feeling like a member of a much younger generation.  In my
> parents' generation tonsils were removed routinely.  By my generation
> they weren't.  (I was born in 1943.)  Our pediatrician told my mother
> that tonsils served a useful purpose and should be kept unless they were
> causing serious problems.  I'm not sure exactly what purpose it is that
> they're serving, but mine are still serving away.

I had mine removed; my sister, who was born in '46, also had hers removed.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Um, I think the Boomers were the first ones to drive their kids to
> > school.
>
> Not.

Well, you've convinced me!

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> >
> > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > revelation.
>
> You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> is called "ham" to your face?

Was this a VietNamese restaurant?

Karen

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This story was posted in another place by an Aussie I know. *I*
thought it was funny--it made me really LOL.

Karen

"When I moved to the US (over 11 years ago now), I lived in a house
with several US grad students. The usual entertainment over dinner was
for them to ask me about my latest weird cultural experience of a
Aussie newly trapped in California. One day I commented on the
pronunciation of fillet. Aussies speak the Queen's English, so we say
"fill-it". (As a sidenote I find it interesting that French people say
fill-it too, because my american friends justify themselves by asking
why would I want to mangle a french word.)

My first problem with this word was going to MickyD's and asking for a
fill-it-o-fish. Hell, that's they way they pronounce it at MacD's in
Australia. MacD's is American. So I figured that's the way you said it
over here too. The poor woman trying to take my order was very
confused.
As was I.

Anyway, the day I was recounting this story to my housemates, I had
been to a local fish restaurant (Cook's in Menlo Park) because people
had told me you could get decent fish'n'chips there. I had once again
asked for that cod fill-it and was met with blank stares. So, I told
this story to my housemates.

Without missing a beat, one of them said back to me, "Oh, so I guess
you say *skill-it* too??".

Bastards had me saying "Skill-ay" for several months before someone
else broke the news to me. I said it so long, that I *still* get it
wrong sometimes, much to the enjoyment of my bit'o'fluff, who had been
in on the joke from almost the very beginning.

I say it again. Bastards."

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 11:38:07 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Huh? I never will be off it until I am in the ground.

alyce
 >>

Oh, I'm sorry, I never knew that, because I have been on oxygen after I had
pneumonia, but it was temporary. Isn't there any chance of you getting off of
it at all? You have my sympathy, my dear. Today my kitty is at the vet to get
neutered; if that's the right word. I never realized cats were such a pain
when they were in heat. All my animal experience has been with dogs, and mine
were not behaving any differently during that period. She's also getting her
rabies shot. There was an outbreak of rabies lately in Colorado, so they're
on the outlook for animals that haven't been vaccinated. She needed one
anyway with me traveling to Idaho soon. I'm looking forward to get to my new
home, but getting ready for it without help is not easy. I can't tell you how
thankful I am for the Internet. There is practically nothing these days, that
cannot be reached thru' this medium. I'll still be very happy though to get
there with all my belongings. Putting everything away is a lot easier because
you can take all the time you want. But hopefully this is going to be my last
move. I'm more than ready to settle down at last. Hey, it just occurred to me
that my dau there is on line too. Wouldn't it be nice if she'll let me borrow
her PC until mine comes in? Well, in any case, I'm sure I'll survive without
a 'puter for a few weeks. The owners are leaving Feb 1st. They are having a
new house built. So just a few more weeks, and off I'll go again. I've moved
so many times in my lifetime, that I can't imagine people living in one place
all their lives. I know they're around, but it just isn't my fate, I guess.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 12:59:05 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
<< Celloists are pretty mellow, IME.
 >>
I went to highschool with one. He was the nicest, mellowest boy you could
ever meet.
The

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Thanks, Borkin, for nunzilla.   She's so tiny.  The fire-breathing is
rather awesome and scary.  How do they do that?

And thanks for be beautiful padded red box with the piece of ivory
closure.   I'm sure nunzilla didn't come in that.  Gorgeous box.  I shall
keep the box when the day comes to pass nunzilla on to another ex-nun.

And thanks for the words-l moment packing:  brown grocery sack around a
shoe box with inferior tape.   It made it.  Which is all that counts.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 1:03:05 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< > It was good, I hope.

I hope, too. We shall see.
 >>

If wishing helps any, add mine to them. Theo

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02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > 02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> > >
> > > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > > revelation.
> >
> > You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> > is called "ham" to your face?
>
> Was this a VietNamese restaurant?

Please ... don't post dr*nck

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02003-01-06 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> At 02:30 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> >> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to state--calmly,
> >>
> >> It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> >> revelation.
> >
> >You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> >is called "ham" to your face?
>
> Semantics I tell you. Pig is Pig. Tasty and very good.

I thought you were of the, uh, chosen people

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 1:25:16 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
<<  I'm not sure exactly what purpose it is that
they're serving, but mine are still serving away.
 >>
Mine weren't removed completely, but were "shortened" a bit after a bout with
a throat infection around age 10. They have never caused any problems since
then.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 1:36:46 PM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< I still have an
image of tonsils wearing little uniforms complete with helmets. >>

LOL Theo

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > 02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> > > >
> > > > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > > > revelation.
> > >
> > > You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> > > is called "ham" to your face?
> >
> > Was this a VietNamese restaurant?
>
> Please ... don't post dr*nck

I'm not--I have noticed this very feature that you describe in VN rest.
in particular.

Karen

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At 01:10 PM 1/6/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor said:
> > S Hess wrote:
> > > I thought most
> > > everyone had their tonsils out....I had mine out when I was 5. But I
> > > understand doctor's don't remove them like they used to.
> >
> > Again I'm feeling like a member of a much younger generation.  In my
> > parents' generation tonsils were removed routinely.  By my generation
> > they weren't.  (I was born in 1943.)  Our pediatrician told my mother
> > that tonsils served a useful purpose and should be kept unless they were
> > causing serious problems.  I'm not sure exactly what purpose it is that
> > they're serving, but mine are still serving away.
>
>I had mine removed; my sister, who was born in '46, also had hers removed.

Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone
but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!

Betty

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If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
from Notre Dame University?

    --bonniev

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At 10:56 AM 1/4/03 -0500, Alyce Cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>> its
>> being too cold to snow and that I used it many semesters back when I
>> taught freshman comp.
>
>From Google:
>If it is too cold, the atmosphere can not hold water.
>No water, no snow. The most prominent example of this is Antarctica. The
>precipitation at the south pole is minimal, to the extent that it is
>categorized as a desert. The precipitation that falls does not melt
>readily.
>---
>But I don't understand how the snow got there in the first place, then.
>Unless it fell millions of years ago when the climate was different and
>has never melted. ???
>
>alyce

I think that this is a slight inaccuracy.

It is NEVER too cold to snow.

There is still a tiny trace of water in the atmosphere, even at extremely
cold temperatures.

For an analogy, no matter how often you divide the number 1 by a power of
2, you never reach zero.

You get 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, and so on.

The Google statement would be better as:

If it is cold, the atmosphere can not hold as much water.
Less water, less snow. The most prominent example of this is Antarctica.
The precipitation at the south pole is minimal, to the extent that it is
categorized as a desert.
The precipitation that falls does not melt readily, because of the cold,
and cannot readily evaporate, because the atmosphere cannot absorb it.
.

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> In a message dated 01/06/2003 11:52:45 AM Central Standard Time,
> Sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:
>
> <<
> She refuses to have any more radiation
> after the next two treatments.
>
> >>
>
> I wonder why she's refusing.
>
> Evelyn Duncan

Oh, something about quality v. quantity. Tired of being fried regularly
*down there*. I received a plaintive call from her husband when she
threatened to quit a month or so ago. By nature, she's a fighter. She may
talk about quitting, but I've never seen her put it into action.

Sandra

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bonniev said:
> If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> from Notre Dame University?

2024.

Or is this an intro to a joke?

Karen

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>bonniev said:
> > If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> > from Notre Dame University?
>
>2024.
>
>Or is this an intro to a joke?
>Karen

Thank you.  No joke.  I might be knitting a baby afghan with that info.


    --bonniev

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At 10:29 AM 1/6/2003 +0100, espen wrote:

>Ah, so I was wrong. I have experienced cats going mad about boiled prawns...

Sere, our youngest cat, is the only one we have had who likes shrimp
(prawns).  To say that she likes them is a bit of an understatement.  A
little while ago, I took some frozen (cooked) shrimp from the freezer to
thaw for our dinner quesadillas.  One would think that frozen shrimp had no
odor.  Not true.  Even before I could extract all that I wanted from the
bag and start thawing them, Sere had jumped down from her cat-napping spot
on the couch and was there at my side.  The shrimp are not quite thawed
enough to remove the tails and slice them.  Sere, nevertheless, maintains
vigil in the kitchen.

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bonniev said:
> >bonniev said:
> > > If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> > > from Notre Dame University?
> >
> >2024.
> >
> >Or is this an intro to a joke?
> >Karen
>
> Thank you.  No joke.  I might be knitting a baby afghan with that info.

But there are a lot of assumptions behind that number--that the kid
doesn't get promoted more quickly than usual, that the kid doesn't
drop out of college for 5 years in the middle, etc. It'd be easy to
think that this was bad luck.

Karen

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> Sere, nevertheless, maintains
> vigil in the kitchen.

Thanks for reminding me to go feed My Cat.

Karen

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Alec D. Plotkin quoted Janet:
>>
>>>  At 01:36 AM 1/5/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>>  >Kathy Bates does a nude scene in "About Schmidt," and looks quite
>>>  >wonderful in a large-economy-size kind of way. I certainly liked
>>
>>  > >looking at her.
>>
>> This reminds me--the paper had a quote from Queen Latifah. She said
>> that people are always telling her how sexy she would be if she lost a
>> few pounds, and she says that she tells them that she's already sexy.
>
>
> Oh my lord yes.
>
> Wait till you see her in Chicago.


        Queen Latifah is *hot*.  She doesn't need to change a thing.

        I saw something on TV last week about another low budget type
film about some heavier girls and they bare it down to their
undies.  Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
in for Hollywood.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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My narcissus are blooming!

I guess I should plant the tulips, eh?

Karen

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Alec D. Plotkin wrote:

> At 08:12 PM 1/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Well, 2003 is off to a great start.  My dad has just been
>> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>> spreading to other lymph nodes.
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>>
>
>
> Ouch!  was he a smoker?
>


        Yes.  He quit back when I was in high school -- maybe 15
years ago.



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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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S Hess wrote:

>>In a message dated 01/05/2003 8:12:00 PM Central Standard Time,
>>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>>
>><<
>>.  My dad has just been
>>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>>spreading to other lymph nodes.
>>
>>
>
> That's a new one for me...never heard of tonsil cancer. I thought most
> everyone had their tonsils out....I had mine out when I was 5. But I
> understand doctor's don't remove them like they used to. And maybe they
> didn't remove them as much as I thought they did.


        I never had mine out.  And my father, due to poverty, didn't
receive much medical care at all, and certainly nothing like
an elective tonsillectomy.

        Tonsil cancer is part of a group of oral cancers -- probably
related to what Bethany's mother had.


> Regardless....
>
> I'm sorry to hear of your father's condition....and how it must be affecting
> all those who love him.


        Thanks.




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Karen Kay wrote:

> I had mine removed; my sister, who was born in '46, also had hers removed.

I'm sure that quite a few people born in any year you can name had
theirs removed.  Had yours defected, or did your doctor just wantonly
mow down the faithful troops that were protecting your throat?  I feel
fortunate that my soldiers are still standing guard, blocking out cold
germs or whatever.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Um, I think the Boomers were the first ones to drive their kids to
> > > school.
> >
> > Not.
>
> Well, you've convinced me!

I should hope so.  I think you'd have a pretty hard time putting my
parents or the parents of my classmates into the Boomer generation.

My mother was the last of the "Carpool Mothers."  Some of us had been
talking about that six or eight months ago when Iris Brown, the
next-to-last of them, died.  I must say that I was teary when I walked
over to a beautiful spray of roses at the funeral home and saw that the
card said "The Carpool."

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Tonsil cancer is part of a group of oral cancers -- probably
> related to what Bethany's mother had.

I'm glad that he's going on this motorcycle trip, Rita. Truly--he'll
need something pleasant to focus on in the months ahead. My aunt had
tongue cancer, and I would not wish that on anyone.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I don't remember now what the joke was.  (Or is it Doris's reaction
> > you're referring to, not the joke?)
>
> I said that for the rich they (the birds) sing, in response to Borkin's
> birdshit problem. Doris replied something about my being a Democrat, for
> some unknown reason.

Ah so.  I remember now what you said.  I thought it was funny (and
didn't see any political connection).

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        I never had mine out.  And my father, due to poverty, didn't
>receive much medical care at all, and certainly nothing like
>an elective tonsillectomy.
>
>        Tonsil cancer is part of a group of oral cancers -- probably
>related to what Bethany's mother had.

I have tonsils ... Rita, have you found a good website for oral cancers?

Bethany

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>But there are a lot of assumptions behind that number--that the kid
>doesn't get promoted more quickly than usual, that the kid doesn't
>drop out of college for 5 years in the middle, etc. It'd be easy to
>think that this was bad luck.      --Karen

Yeah, well.


    --bonniev

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Betty Clark wrote:

> Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone

People who have pictures of theirs after removal could perhaps post
them.  And that reminds me that I have no idea at all where my wisdom
teeth are.  They're in a tiny jar-type thing somewhere.  I don't think
I've seen them since I moved.  Sure hope I haven't lost them.  It would
be upsetting to hang onto bottled wisdom teeth for years and then
realize you've lost them.  I'm still annoyed that the Shakespeare book I
used in both undergraduate and graduate school vanished from my office
during work in our building a couple of years ago.  I've wondered
whether that workman who used to hang around my office and talk about
lit stole it.  But he didn't seem like a thief.

> but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!

What are you giving him for his birthday?  I'm happy to know that I'll
be only two years older than Larry for more than two months.  Age loves
company.

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When I was a kid in a family that had almost no money, I knew no one who
ever had elective surgery. My younger sister had her tonsils removed, but
it was because of what we were told were medical problems. Once or maybe
twice, it was recommended that I have mine removed, but since there was no
apparent medical problem, it was not done.

Bethany

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>Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
>in for Hollywood.     --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

They just have a chubby woman on The Weather Channel.  It would a break
from all the pregnant women.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> from Notre Dame University?

Depends upon how long it spends in school.  I can't remember what the
figures are that I've seen for the average number of years a student
spends in college these days.  It has moved up from the old traditional
four.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> >
> Oh, I'm sorry, I never knew that, because I have been on oxygen after I had
> pneumonia, but it was temporary. Isn't there any chance of you getting off of
> it at all?

None. Perhaps you were not around when I had my illness.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> from Notre Dame University?

Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.

alyce

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At 06:07 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>What are you giving him for his birthday?  I'm happy to know that I'll
>be only two years older than Larry for more than two months.  Age loves
>company.

We went shopping yesterday and bought a cool shirt for him.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I had mine removed; my sister, who was born in '46, also had hers removed.
>
> I'm sure that quite a few people born in any year you can name had
> theirs removed.  Had yours defected, or did your doctor just wantonly
> mow down the faithful troops that were protecting your throat?  I feel
> fortunate that my soldiers are still standing guard, blocking out cold
> germs or whatever.

Mine defected.

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> bonniev wrote:
> > If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> > from Notre Dame University?
>
> Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
> start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
> the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.

And then there's the whole 5-year thing. (It's taking closer to 5
years for students to finish than 4 years.)

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Betty Clark wrote:
>
>
>>Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone
>>
>
> People who have pictures of theirs after removal could perhaps post
> them.  And that reminds me that I have no idea at all where my wisdom
> teeth are.  They're in a tiny jar-type thing somewhere.  I don't think
> I've seen them since I moved.  Sure hope I haven't lost them.  It would
> be upsetting to hang onto bottled wisdom teeth for years and then
> realize you've lost them.


        I have all my lost & pulled teeth.  My dad saved them all.
When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
to the collection.

--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        Tonsil cancer is part of a group of oral cancers -- probably
>>related to what Bethany's mother had.
>>
>
> I'm glad that he's going on this motorcycle trip, Rita. Truly--he'll
> need something pleasant to focus on in the months ahead. My aunt had
> tongue cancer, and I would not wish that on anyone.


        I told him to wave at Hemingway for me.  He and my mom are
going to Las Vegas when the radiation is done.  They've been
doing a lot of travel since my dad retired a couple of years
ago.  It's been nice to see them happy together.




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>Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
>start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
>the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.
>alyce

I'll have to assume some things.   It will be born in the Spring of
2003.   The parents are rabid Notre Dame alums.  It isn't really important
if the kid does end up going to Notre Dame or what exact year it
graduates.   The important thing is that I get a decent approximation and
the parents find it funny and cute.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:

>> Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
>> start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
>> the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.
>> alyce
>
>
> I'll have to assume some things.   It will be born in the Spring of
> 2003.   The parents are rabid Notre Dame alums.  It isn't really important
> if the kid does end up going to Notre Dame or what exact year it
> graduates.   The important thing is that I get a decent approximation and
> the parents find it funny and cute.
>


        Ana has a little orange shirt now that says "Webster
Statesmen Class of 2014."  The frightening part is that
doesn't sound all that far off :(.



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On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:21:11 -0800, Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

>http://www.punkmac.com/source/go.php?id=laidoff

This is Odd Todd! http://www.oddtodd.com/ .

I luuuuuuv Odd Todd.

Karen

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From: Tushar Samant <scribble@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: Hey, a food post!
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02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > 02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant said:
> > > > 02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > > > > revelation.
> > > >
> > > > You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> > > > is called "ham" to your face?
> > >
> > > Was this a VietNamese restaurant?
> >
> > Please ... don't post dr*nck
>
> I'm not--I have noticed this very feature that you describe in VN rest.
> in particular.

Well this wasn't a VN Rest. It was a person describing why something
was a good thing to order. BITS OF HAM ... sheeze

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At 07:10 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>bonniev wrote:
>
>>>Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
>>>start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
>>>the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.
>>>alyce
>>
>>
>>I'll have to assume some things.   It will be born in the Spring of
>>2003.   The parents are rabid Notre Dame alums.  It isn't really important
>>if the kid does end up going to Notre Dame or what exact year it
>>graduates.   The important thing is that I get a decent approximation and
>>the parents find it funny and cute.
>
>
>        Ana has a little orange shirt now that says "Webster
>Statesmen Class of 2014."  The frightening part is that
>doesn't sound all that far off :(.


It goes so quickly!  It was really, really weird this Christmas Eve to have
Ryan go to his own house instead of his own room here.  His cousin stayed
in his old room.

Betty

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02003-01-06 | James McIntosh <jemcinto@IDIRECT.CA> writes:
> At 10:56 AM 1/4/03 -0500, Alyce Cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> wrote:
> >Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >> its
> >> being too cold to snow and that I used it many semesters back when I
> >> taught freshman comp.
> >
> >From Google:
> >If it is too cold, the atmosphere can not hold water.
> >No water, no snow. The most prominent example of this is Antarctica. The
> >precipitation at the south pole is minimal, to the extent that it is
> >categorized as a desert. The precipitation that falls does not melt
> >readily.
> >---
> >But I don't understand how the snow got there in the first place, then.
> >Unless it fell millions of years ago when the climate was different and
> >has never melted. ???
> >
> >alyce
>
> I think that this is a slight inaccuracy.
>
> It is NEVER too cold to snow.
>
> There is still a tiny trace of water in the atmosphere, even at extremely
> cold temperatures.
>
> For an analogy, no matter how often you divide the number 1 by a power of
> 2, you never reach zero.
>
> You get 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, and so on.

If yOu split a molecule of water, you don't have water anymore.

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>> People who have pictures of theirs after removal could perhaps post
>> them.  And that reminds me that I have no idea at all where my wisdom
>> teeth are.  They're in a tiny jar-type thing somewhere.  I don't think
>> I've seen them since I moved.  Sure hope I haven't lost them.  It would
>> be upsetting to hang onto bottled wisdom teeth for years and then
>> realize you've lost them.
>
>
>        I have all my lost & pulled teeth.  My dad saved them all.
>When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
>to the collection.
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

One of the <illustrious> people whose papers we collect is a Canadian artist.
He sends us all his crap at the end of every year and it is my job to
inventory it all.  Last year he sent us some of his teeth.  Perhaps, Natalie,
yours are in your Archive.

BrP

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > 02003-01-06 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > > Tushar Samant said:
> > > > > 02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> > > > > > Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd like to state--calmly,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> > > > > > revelation.
> > > > >
> > > > > You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> > > > > is called "ham" to your face?
> > > >
> > > > Was this a VietNamese restaurant?
> > >
> > > Please ... don't post dr*nck
> >
> > I'm not--I have noticed this very feature that you describe in VN rest.
> > in particular.
>
> Well this wasn't a VN Rest. It was a person describing why something
> was a good thing to order. BITS OF HAM ... sheeze

Oh, jeeze. They should be shot, then.

Karen

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>I'd like to state--calmly, without a smidgeon of aggravation--that
>"pasta with bits of ham" is a very wrong description of bbq pork
>noodles. Wrong on a large number levels.

Well, yeah. Who described them to you that way?

Janet
shocked

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>In a message dated 01/06/2003 11:52:45 AM Central Standard Time,
>Sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:
>
><<
>She refuses to have any more radiation
>after the next two treatments.
>
>I wonder why she's refusing.

During a breast cancer scare a few years ago, my mom made it quite
clear to me that she wasn't interested in radiation or chemo: she
said nobody depended on her anymore, and while she was enjoying being
alive she wasn't attached enough to it to go through all that
discomfort in order to get a few more years of it. Makes sense to me.
(Turned out to be just a cyst.)

Janet

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>Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone
>but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!

Happy birthday Larry, and I still have my tonsils (born 1955).

Janet
(Do we get to sing Happy Birthday to him
at the F2F, or is that too far away?)

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02003-01-06 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >bonniev said:
> >> If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when
> >> it graduates from Notre Dame University?
> >
> >2024.
> >
> >Or is this an intro to a joke?
>
> Thank you.  No joke.  I might be knitting a baby afghan with that info.

What do you mean, no joke? That's an appallingly cruel joke to play
on a baby.

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At 05:52 PM 1/6/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone
>>but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!
>
>Happy birthday Larry, and I still have my tonsils (born 1955).
>
>Janet
>(Do we get to sing Happy Birthday to him
>at the F2F, or is that too far away?)

You can do anything you want.  Let's spank him!

We missed acknowledging Sharon and mem this week.  We can spank him for
both of those, too.  Sharon will be with us, too.

Betty

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02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
> >
> > If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> > from Notre Dame University?
>
> Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
> start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
> the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.

What's this about Notre Dame? I am getting a very unpleasant image
of a kid who e.g. gets an astonishing "fast track" to Max Planck
Institute, and the "family" says, NO. We don't do it that way.
You go to Notre Dame like your afghan says or I'll whoop your
ass ...

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02003-01-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Queen Latifah is *hot*.  She doesn't need to change a thing.
>
> I saw something on TV last week about another low budget type
> film about some heavier girls and they bare it down to their
> undies.  Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
> in for Hollywood.

What obesity stats?

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At 07:56 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>02003-01-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > Queen Latifah is *hot*.  She doesn't need to change a thing.
> >
> > I saw something on TV last week about another low budget type
> > film about some heavier girls and they bare it down to their
> > undies.  Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
> > in for Hollywood.
>
>What obesity stats?

Yours isn't the only fat ass!

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         I have all my lost & pulled teeth.  My dad saved them all.
> When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
> to the collection.

What a great necklace you could make!

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        I have all my lost & pulled teeth.  My dad saved them all.
>>When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
>>to the collection.
>>
>
> What a great necklace you could make!
>


        Yeah, I know, but I've never had the guts to take them to a
jeweler to have them strung :).



--
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bonniev wrote:

> I'll have to assume some things.   It will be born in the Spring of
> 2003.   The parents are rabid Notre Dame alums.  It isn't really important
> if the kid does end up going to Notre Dame or what exact year it
> graduates.   The important thing is that I get a decent approximation and
> the parents find it funny and cute.

I trust you knew that these literal answers weren't meant to suggest
that your plan wasn't a good one.  I think we all knew it was a good
idea and would serve its good purpose regardless of when/where/if this
child ends up graduating.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Karen Kay wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:21:11 -0800, Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.punkmac.com/source/go.php?id=laidoff
>>
>
> This is Odd Todd! http://www.oddtodd.com/ .
>
> I luuuuuuv Odd Todd.


        Odd Todd is a hoot.

        One of the guys in my husband's group got a job at Lockheed
and quit, and now everyone is pissed off because there's a
hiring freeze and they can't replace him, and I'm thinking 8
million geeks out of work, and this guy is sucking up two jobs.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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prbarfoo wrote:

> One of the <illustrious> people whose papers we collect is a Canadian artist.
> He sends us all his crap at the end of every year and it is my job to
> inventory it all.  Last year he sent us some of his teeth.  Perhaps, Natalie,
> yours are in your Archive.

Hmm.  I don't think my wisdom teeth ever traveled to Canada -- or at
least not after they were in a jar.  They did travel there once while
they were still in my gums.  I do wonder where they are, though.  I may
have to do a house search now that I've thought about them.  I may find
it difficult to go to sleep tonight worrying about where my wisdom teeth
are.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
> >         I have all my lost & pulled teeth.  My dad saved them all.
> > When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
> > to the collection.
>
> What a great necklace you could make!

Or someone could steal them and do REALLY GOOD voodoo!

Karen

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Couldn't find them in the drawers I thought they might in, so I went to
my big storage closet to look in boxes there but decided to give up for
now since looking through those boxes would be a big job (and they might
be in a box outside in the storage bldg or they might be in a library in
Syracuse or who knows where -- did I mention in our discussion of junk
rooms etc. that I also have an attic I could use for storage but haven't
put anything up there?).  Anyway, the f'ing part is that I turned on the
storage closet light and then it wouldn't go off when I pulled the chain
to turn it off.  I pulled it every whichaway, with no luck.  So finally
I dragged the kitchen stool in there and climbed up and unscrewed the
lightbulb.  Why would it not go off when I pulled the chain??  I had one
in a closet that wouldn't come on when I pulled the chain, but this is a
first for not being able to turn a light off.

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Rita Chapman said:
>         Odd Todd is a hoot.

Yes, he is.

>         One of the guys in my husband's group got a job at Lockheed
> and quit, and now everyone is pissed off because there's a
> hiring freeze and they can't replace him, and I'm thinking 8
> million geeks out of work, and this guy is sucking up two jobs.

At least it's not his fault.

Karen

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:31:29 -0800
From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>At 05:52 PM 1/6/2003 -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
>>>Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone
>>>but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!
>>
>>Happy birthday Larry, and I still have my tonsils (born 1955).
>>
>>Janet
>>(Do we get to sing Happy Birthday to him
>>at the F2F, or is that too far away?)
>
>You can do anything you want.  Let's spank him!

Sounds good to me. Maybe not to him.

Janet

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> > >> If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when
> > >> it graduates from Notre Dame University?
> > >
> > >2024.
> > >
> > >Or is this an intro to a joke?
> >
> > Thank you.  No joke.  I might be knitting a baby afghan with that info.
>
>What do you mean, no joke? That's an appallingly cruel joke to play
>on a baby.

Lighten up.  The baby won't recognize shit for years.   Then when the poor
kid is twelve and eighteen, it won't be because of the baby blanket that
she or he will be forced and driven to apply at Notre Dame.  The worst
influence on this poor kid will be the three sets of grandparents.


    --bonniev

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>What's this about Notre Dame? I am getting a very unpleasant image
>of a kid who e.g. gets an astonishing "fast track" to Max Planck
>Institute, and the "family" says, NO. We don't do it that way.
>You go to Notre Dame like your afghan says or I'll whoop your
>ass ...

That could happen.  But it won't just be the afghan.  It will be the
Christmas ornaments, the household decor, the letter sweater, the framed
degrees, etc., etc.


    --bonniev

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Subject: Re: F'ing Wisdom Teeth
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Anyway, the f'ing part is that I turned on the
> storage closet light and then it wouldn't go off when I pulled the chain
> to turn it off.  I pulled it every whichaway, with no luck.  So finally
> I dragged the kitchen stool in there and climbed up and unscrewed the
> lightbulb.  Why would it not go off when I pulled the chain??  I had one
> in a closet that wouldn't come on when I pulled the chain, but this is a
> first for not being able to turn a light off.

If the chain doesn't work, it can not-work either way, off or on.

Karen

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Karen Kay wrote:

> If the chain doesn't work, it can not-work either way, off or on.

Somehow it's scarier to think of taking down a fixture that's stuck on
than one that's stuck off.  But that may be a dumb reaction to the
situation.  In any case, I'm not going to mess with it tonight.  Will
wait until daytime so I can see better.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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PS:  And, now that I think about it, I screwed out the fuse even to take
down the one that was stuck off.  That will solve the problem of frying
myself.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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02003-01-06 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >What's this about Notre Dame? I am getting a very unpleasant image
> >of a kid who e.g. gets an astonishing "fast track" to Max Planck
> >Institute, and the "family" says, NO. We don't do it that way.
> >You go to Notre Dame like your afghan says or I'll whoop your
> >ass ...
>
> That could happen.  But it won't just be the afghan.  It will be the
> Christmas ornaments, the household decor, the letter sweater, the
> framed degrees, etc., etc.

I hate that sort of thing. It's just a different version of
exam culture ...

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02003-01-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 07:56 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-01-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >> Queen Latifah is *hot*.  She doesn't need to change a thing.
> >>
> >> I saw something on TV last week about another low budget type
> >> film about some heavier girls and they bare it down to their
> >> undies.  Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
> >> in for Hollywood.
> >
> >What obesity stats?
>
> Yours isn't the only fat ass!

I don't understand the reasoning at all. Hollywood certainly knows
the stats. Has it suddenly decided that "fat" (a word I don't agree
with BTW) is considered attractive now? That's all Hollywood would
care about ... and I am sorry but I can't take Janet and Rita's
opinions about fat to be representative ...

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02003-01-06 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         I have all my lost & pulled teeth.  My dad saved them all.
> > When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
> > to the collection.
>
> What a great necklace you could make!

Yeah, you would look like a picture on those gag Mr Hinduist
lunchboxes ...

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > If the chain doesn't work, it can not-work either way, off or on.
>
> Somehow it's scarier to think of taking down a fixture that's stuck on
> than one that's stuck off.

But if you turn off the breaker, there's no difference. All cats are
gray in the night.

> But that may be a dumb reaction to the
> situation.  In any case, I'm not going to mess with it tonight.  Will
> wait until daytime so I can see better.

Excellent idea.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor said:
> PS:  And, now that I think about it, I screwed out the fuse even to take
> down the one that was stuck off.  That will solve the problem of frying
> myself.

I'm glad you remembered this.

Karen

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02003-01-06 | "Michael E. Macmillan" <mem@NOXIOUSWEEDS.NET> writes:
> On 6 Jan 2003 at 12:55, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > I hate cello soloists. Stupid smug bastards. I also hate the
> > stupid word "soloist". It has no rhythm.
>
> No doubt you prefer the stupid sitar. Has alliteration if not
> rhythm.

Not.

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>02003-01-06 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>>  At 07:56 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
>>  >02003-01-06 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>  >> Queen Latifah is *hot*.  She doesn't need to change a thing.
>>  >>
>>  >> I saw something on TV last week about another low budget type
>>  >> film about some heavier girls and they bare it down to their
>>  >> undies.  Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
>>  >> in for Hollywood.
>>  >
>>  >What obesity stats?
>>
>>  Yours isn't the only fat ass!
>
>I don't understand the reasoning at all. Hollywood certainly knows
>the stats. Has it suddenly decided that "fat" (a word I don't agree
>with BTW) is considered attractive now? That's all Hollywood would
>care about ... and I am sorry but I can't take Janet and Rita's
>opinions about fat to be representative ...

The average American woman wears a size 14. "Mode" magazine, which
features models in that size range and up, was for a year or two the
fastest-growing magazine in the U.S. -- may still be, for all I know.
Lane Bryant stores are making a nice profit selling fashionable
and/or sexy clothes in size 14 and up. My "Big Big Love" author tells
me that 1 in every 7 men states a preference for large women (which
seems to be about the proportion in the personal ads I've looked at).
For every Callista Flockhart, there's an up-and-coming Kate Winslet
or Catherine Zeta-Jones or Queen Latifah or Kathy Bates.

A preference for slender bodies is still the predominant preference,
at least in the fashion and entertainment industries. But stats like
that mean that *someone* needs to listen. As a person who prefers
fatter over thinner, I'm glad that there are coming to be some women
in the movies who I like to look at. (There have always been plenty
of large men.)

Janet

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Karen Kay said:
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > PS:  And, now that I think about it, I screwed out the fuse even to take
> > down the one that was stuck off.  That will solve the problem of frying
> > myself.
>
> I'm glad you remembered this.

Do you have a will?

Karen

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02003-01-06 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> >> >> I saw something on TV last week about another low budget type
> >> >> film about some heavier girls and they bare it down to their
> >> >> undies.  Maybe all those obesity stats are finally sinking
> >> >> in for Hollywood.
> >> >
> >> >What obesity stats?
> >>
> >> Yours isn't the only fat ass!
> >
> >I don't understand the reasoning at all. Hollywood certainly knows
> >the stats. Has it suddenly decided that "fat" (a word I don't agree
> >with BTW) is considered attractive now? That's all Hollywood would
> >care about ... and I am sorry but I can't take Janet and Rita's
> >opinions about fat to be representative ...
>
> The average American woman wears a size 14. "Mode" magazine, which
> features models in that size range and up, was for a year or two the
> fastest-growing magazine in the U.S. -- may still be, for all I know.
> Lane Bryant stores are making a nice profit selling fashionable
> and/or sexy clothes in size 14 and up. My "Big Big Love" author tells
> me that 1 in every 7 men states a preference for large women (which
> seems to be about the proportion in the personal ads I've looked at).
> For every Callista Flockhart, there's an up-and-coming Kate Winslet
> or Catherine Zeta-Jones or Queen Latifah or Kathy Bates.
>
> A preference for slender bodies is still the predominant preference,
> at least in the fashion and entertainment industries. But stats like
> that mean that *someone* needs to listen.

Rather indirect stats, they seem to me.

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From: Janet Hardy <verdie@earthlink.net>
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>Rather indirect stats, they seem to me.

Yes, they are -- they're zeitgeist-type stats, not demographic-type
stats. But, hey, isn't the zeitgeist what Hollywood is supposed to
have a handle on?

Janet

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> One of the <illustrious> people whose papers we collect is a Canadian artist.
> He sends us all his crap at the end of every year and it is my job to
> inventory it all.  Last year he sent us some of his teeth.  Perhaps, Natalie,
> yours are in your Archive.

Which artist?

Ann

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> What do you mean, no joke? That's an appallingly cruel joke to play
> on a baby.

I agree.

Babies treated like that roll their eyes at their parents and dump them
at the first possible moment!

Ann

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

> What obesity stats?

The latest statistics show that as fast as global warning melts the
icecaps, THAT FAST Americans are getting obese.  There are more obese
children in the USA THAN EVER BEFORE!

We are a nation of elephant seals!

Ann

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Today I will have walked 10,000 steps--without exercising. 9500 of
them were in the confines of my own home.

Karen

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Ann Borkin said:
> > One of the <illustrious> people whose papers we collect is a Canadian artist.
> > He sends us all his crap at the end of every year and it is my job to
> > inventory it all.  Last year he sent us some of his teeth.  Perhaps, Natalie,
> > yours are in your Archive.
>
> Which artist?

Where is your Archive, Ann?

Karen

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You're welcome, Bonnie.

The red box housed a candle bowl I bought for myself.  I bought 2, so I
have one.

As for the words-l packaging, I didn't read that thread much but I read
it enough to know it's tacky.  (I should lie and say that ordinarily I
pack very nicely but I thought it would be appropriate to do the sack
thing.)

Ann

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Ann Borkin said:
> Babies treated like that roll their eyes at their parents and dump them
> at the first possible moment!

Even if they carpool them?

Karen

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

> Today I will have walked 10,000 steps--without exercising. 9500 of
> them were in the confines of my own home.

Gerbil Woman!

What were you doing, mincing around chasing vermin or something?

Ann

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> Where is your Archive, Ann?

I keep all letters written to me.  I keep them in ziploc bags.  I intend
to take them to the nursing home and read and throw them out there.

(I intend to have a sound mind, able to read, until the end.)

Ann

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:
> > Babies treated like that roll their eyes at their parents and dump them
> > at the first possible moment!
> Even if they carpool them?

Yes, and especially if they march them in political parades wearing or
carrying slogans.

Ann

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In a message dated 01/06/2003 4:53:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Sandra@MAXIMUMSENTENCE.COM writes:

<<
By nature, she's a fighter.
>>

Mom's a fighter, too, but I hope it doesn't get to be too much for
her.  She finally reached 100 pounds after being as light as
69 after Dad died.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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02003-01-06 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> >Rather indirect stats, they seem to me.
>
> Yes, they are -- they're zeitgeist-type stats, not demographic-type
> stats. But, hey, isn't the zeitgeist what Hollywood is supposed to
> have a handle on?

Can't wait for them to get mainstream ... It will be GREAT to write
all sorts of jackass-posts about fatsos on magazine covers!

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From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> Can't wait for them to get mainstream ... It will be GREAT to write
> all sorts of jackass-posts about fatsos on magazine covers!

Be sure to include a source picture...

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:17:00 -0800
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>02003-01-06 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
>>  >Rather indirect stats, they seem to me.
>>
>>  Yes, they are -- they're zeitgeist-type stats, not demographic-type
>>  stats. But, hey, isn't the zeitgeist what Hollywood is supposed to
>>  have a handle on?
>
>Can't wait for them to get mainstream ... It will be GREAT to write
>all sorts of jackass-posts about fatsos on magazine covers!

Get to work, honey. In this neighborhood, which has a high population
of African-Americans, I see Queen Latifah plastered all over the
supermarket checkstands. A nice change from Halle Berry, who,
although toothsome, was also getting a little tiresome. (Also Oprah,
come to think of it, although she's not quite as choice a fantasy
object as QL. Except maybe money fantasies. Hmm... could I be Oprah's
kept woman? Yeah, probably, although she'd have to get rid of that
asshole Dr. Phil first.)

Janet

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Janet Hardy wrote:
> The average American woman wears a size 14.

For all of my adult years (until 1998) I was an average American woman,
then. But there was no point at which I could have been called fat, nor
even plump. THis makes no sense to me. And I bought clothes all over,
not at Lane Bryant and Big Woman-type stores.

alyce

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So, Boo, you have competition. But I still can't see how it's done.

alyce

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [BI] OT: Bookworn Game - 2 million Plus!
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:08:53 -0500
From: "Booksalot" <booksalot@qis.net>
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For those who have been following the scores posted on this board and
who have
whiled away hours playing bookworm, I have just broken the 2 million
point
mark and am still playing.  I was thrilled when I hit 1 million sometime
yesterday, and would have been happy at having any score to report over
1
million. I will post my final score when this game ends, I am currently
at
level 24 with 2,024550 points.

Thank goodness I have a DSL connection and can leave the browser window
to
bookworm open and leave the game for hours at a time and overnight, so I
can
get some work done, etc.

Some have emailed me asking for the link to the game so here it is.
http://www.popcap.com/gamepopup.php?theGame=bookworm

Cordially,
Ray Reed,  www.booksalot.com
As They Were Antiquarian Books
P.O. Box 299
Westminster, MD   21158
Phone (410) 876-8920
__________________________________________________________________________
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In a message dated 1/6/2003 6:01:31 PM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< When I had my wisdom teeth out a few years ago, I added them
to the collection.
 >>

I just lost the last one a few months ago. There wasn't anything left to
save, because it broke into several pieces. Does it mean that I've become
stupid now? I can't say I enjoyed them. They were a pain coming and going
(literally) Theo

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Writing to Tushar about this neighborhood reminded me that I haven't
talked much about my neighborhood.

I really like it here. It's racially quite mixed -- the post office
lines look like a WWII movie lineup -- but the demographics run
middle-class and up, and I feel quite safe and comfortable here.

My building is two businesses that go home at the end of the day,
three warrens of 22-year-old slacker artists who I can't tell apart
and who all seem quite sweet (apparently we have raves next door,
although nobody's invited me yet), and me. None of them are quite
sure what I'm doing here, but they're all polite and sometimes they
carry my stuff up, which would make me feel ancient if I weren't so
grateful for the help. I have a hunch that if they ever find out I'm
a co-author of Ethical Slut, I will be elevated to the pantheon in
their eyes -- they're exactly the right demographic for it.

My building is at the corner of Broadway and Piedmont Ave., a block
off Macarthur. Broadway in this stretch is Oakland's Auto Row --
there are easily two dozen car dealerships within a few-block walk.
Sometimes when I walk Amy at night we enjoy peering into cars without
having salesmen pestering us. Other than the dealerships, there's not
much on Broadway. A park at the corner of Broadway & Macarthur is the
closest thing to a dangerous spot we have here, and I avoid it after
dark. When Ben goes to school, he steps 50 feet out our door to the
corner of 34th & Broadway, and rides the 51 bus directly to the BART
station, which is convenient. A high point is the corner of 40th &
Broadway, the location of Mama's Royal Cafe, a neighborhood
institution and one of the best breakfast-lunch places I've ever been
to -- coffee to die for and the best patty melt I've ever eaten. I
try to avoid it on weekends, when there's usually a wait, but for
breakfast or lunch on weekdays it's terrific.

Piedmont Ave. is where I spend most of my time when I'm out and
around. It's about a half-mile from here to the center of the
business district, and Amy and I go up there a couple of times a
week, to go to the post office or the bank -- it's her favorite walk.
There are three coffee houses, a tea shop, probably a dozen
restaurants (so far mostly very good), a three-screen art house movie
theater, two antique stores/junk shops, a good used bookstore, a
large Long's drugstore, three or four gourmet grocery stores, and a
number of small giftie shops and clothing stores. A couple of
laundromats, too, which I'm exploring until I finish paying for and
picking up the washer-dryer combo I bought on Craigslist. The
occupants of the neighborhood seem to split into three groups -- a
bunch of young student/artist types, a middle group of young families
with children (it's nice to live in a neighborhood with kids again,
although it means you can't avoid the lines at the PO by going in
early), and a lot of old folks from the two large retirement
community buildings in the heart of town. Amy gets a lot of attention
-- I'm trying to figure out how to make her wear a sign that says
"half standard poodle and half black lab," since I get asked that at
least half a dozen times on every walk.

If you head straight out my driveway and up a side street, you come
to Glen Echo Park, a little oasis that's a tiny protected nature area
-- about two blocks long by half a block wide, situated between two
halves of a quiet split street and divided by a live creek (fairly
dry most of the time but running high now) with a footbridge. Big
oaks, redwoods and eucalyptuses overhead, and a couple of small lawns
where I feel OK about letting Amy off-leash while under supervision.
To one side of the park is an area where the freeway arches overhead
and the ground is covered with wood chips -- a dog litter box as far
as I'm concerned, and it helps us keep the park pristine.

This already feels like home to me, at least for now. I hope it weathers well.

Janet

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Ann Borkin wrote:
> What were you doing, mincing around chasing vermin or something?

Oh, are the steps to be mincing? Or regular steps? I cannot keep track
of steps, but I think I walked (in the house) about 2000 feet today.

alyce

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>>  The average American woman wears a size 14.
>
>For all of my adult years (until 1998) I was an average American woman,
>then. But there was no point at which I could have been called fat, nor
>even plump. THis makes no sense to me. And I bought clothes all over,
>not at Lane Bryant and Big Woman-type stores.

A 14 looks different on different women. You're pretty tall, as I
recall, so there'd have to be a lot less of you crosswise to make up
a 14. On a woman who's five feet tall, a 14 would be largish although
not huge. Really, 14 *is* about average to most people's eyes, I
think -- just not to fashion designers and casting directors.

I'm told that high school girls these days struggle to stay in a size 0.

Janet

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Janet Hardy said:
> come to think of it, although she's not quite as choice a fantasy
> object as QL. Except maybe money fantasies. Hmm... could I be Oprah's
> kept woman? Yeah, probably, although she'd have to get rid of that
> asshole Dr. Phil first.)

And Maya Angelou.

Karen

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Janet Hardy wrote:
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> This already feels like home to me, at least for now. I hope it weathers well.

It sounds like a great place, and I am glad you found it.

alyce

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Janet Hardy wrote:
> I'm told that high school girls these days struggle to stay in a size 0.

I never knew, until this moment, that there is such a thing as a size 0.
How can that be?

alyce

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 10:20:12 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< For all of my adult years (until 1998) I was an average American woman,
then. But there was no point at which I could have been called fat, nor
even plump. THis makes no sense to me. And I bought clothes all over,
not at Lane Bryant and Big Woman-type stores.
 >>

Have you lost a lot of weight too? I'm having a very hard time trying to
regain it too. I've been told I need to, but can't seem to come up with the
appetite needed to do so. This isn't anything new; never have had a big
appetite. But I too wore what I would call an average size. Theo

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alyce cresap said:
> Ann Borkin wrote:
> > What were you doing, mincing around chasing vermin or something?
>
> Oh, are the steps to be mincing? Or regular steps? I cannot keep track
> of steps, but I think I walked (in the house) about 2000 feet today.

A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

Karen

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Janet Hardy said:
> I'm told that high school girls these days struggle to stay in a size 0.

I have a friend who's very tall--but very slender--and she wears a 0.

Karen

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 10:23:05 PM, verdie@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< I really like it here. It's racially quite mixed -- the post office
lines look like a WWII movie lineup -- but the demographics run
middle-class and up, and I feel quite safe and comfortable here.
 >>

Sounds great. I hope I'll like my place just as much; I'll report later. Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> Have you lost a lot of weight too?

I think you have not been paying attention, Theo, to my condition, which
I have been boring Wordslers with for many moons. Drink Ensure Plus. 350
calories. And eat chocolate, cheese, nuts, etc.

alyce

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In a message dated 1/6/2003 10:53:15 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I think you have not been paying attention, Theo, to my condition, which
I have been boring Wordslers with for many moons. Drink Ensure Plus. 350
calories. And eat chocolate, cheese, nuts, etc.
 >>
Your condition could never bore me, because I consider you to be a friend,
and as such....But my memory has become unreliable, alas. I tried Ensure
once, but I'm not a fan of sweet stuff and I really couldn't tell the
difference, although I finished 6 or 8 cans in a week. Doctors tell me I need
more protein, but I get this too full feeling too quickly. There must be an
easy way to do this, but I'm at loss.... Theo

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On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 04:03:39PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= 02003-01-06 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
= > At 02:30 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
= > >02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
= > >> Tushar Samant wrote:
= > >> >
= > >> > I'd like to state--calmly,
= > >>
= > >> It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
= > >> revelation.
= > >
= > >You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
= > >is called "ham" to your face?
= >
= > Semantics I tell you. Pig is Pig. Tasty and very good.
=
= I thought you were of the, uh, chosen people

Yeah, he is.  Of the people chosen to be asked every damn time
they mention how yummy pork is whether they're of the "chosen
people".

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From: "S Hess" <Sandra@MaximumSentence.com>
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> >Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.
> Mine are gone
> >but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!
>
> Happy birthday Larry, and I still have my tonsils (born 1955).
>
> Janet
> (Do we get to sing Happy Birthday to him
> at the F2F, or is that too far away?)

Happy Birthday Larry!!!

Sandra

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I"m going to be in Oakland for 3 months starting Feb 1. I'll be on Mandana
...not too far from you, I think. It's off the Grand Ave exit off 580.

And I adore Patty Melts. Had one tonight, in fact. Thanks for the tip. I'll
have to check out your neighborhood while I'm a temporary neighbor of sorts.

Sandra

> Writing to Tushar about this neighborhood reminded me that I haven't
> talked much about my neighborhood.
>
> I really like it here. It's racially quite mixed -- the post office
> lines look like a WWII movie lineup -- but the demographics run
> middle-class and up, and I feel quite safe and comfortable here.
>
> My building is two businesses that go home at the end of the day,
> three warrens of 22-year-old slacker artists who I can't tell apart
> and who all seem quite sweet (apparently we have raves next door,
> although nobody's invited me yet), and me. None of them are quite
> sure what I'm doing here, but they're all polite and sometimes they
> carry my stuff up, which would make me feel ancient if I weren't so
> grateful for the help. I have a hunch that if they ever find out I'm
> a co-author of Ethical Slut, I will be elevated to the pantheon in
> their eyes -- they're exactly the right demographic for it.
>
> My building is at the corner of Broadway and Piedmont Ave., a block
> off Macarthur. Broadway in this stretch is Oakland's Auto Row --
> there are easily two dozen car dealerships within a few-block walk.
> Sometimes when I walk Amy at night we enjoy peering into cars without
> having salesmen pestering us. Other than the dealerships, there's not
> much on Broadway. A park at the corner of Broadway & Macarthur is the
> closest thing to a dangerous spot we have here, and I avoid it after
> dark. When Ben goes to school, he steps 50 feet out our door to the
> corner of 34th & Broadway, and rides the 51 bus directly to the BART
> station, which is convenient. A high point is the corner of 40th &
> Broadway, the location of Mama's Royal Cafe, a neighborhood
> institution and one of the best breakfast-lunch places I've ever been
> to -- coffee to die for and the best patty melt I've ever eaten. I
> try to avoid it on weekends, when there's usually a wait, but for
> breakfast or lunch on weekdays it's terrific.
>
> Piedmont Ave. is where I spend most of my time when I'm out and
> around. It's about a half-mile from here to the center of the
> business district, and Amy and I go up there a couple of times a
> week, to go to the post office or the bank -- it's her favorite walk.
> There are three coffee houses, a tea shop, probably a dozen
> restaurants (so far mostly very good), a three-screen art house movie
> theater, two antique stores/junk shops, a good used bookstore, a
> large Long's drugstore, three or four gourmet grocery stores, and a
> number of small giftie shops and clothing stores. A couple of
> laundromats, too, which I'm exploring until I finish paying for and
> picking up the washer-dryer combo I bought on Craigslist. The
> occupants of the neighborhood seem to split into three groups -- a
> bunch of young student/artist types, a middle group of young families
> with children (it's nice to live in a neighborhood with kids again,
> although it means you can't avoid the lines at the PO by going in
> early), and a lot of old folks from the two large retirement
> community buildings in the heart of town. Amy gets a lot of attention
> -- I'm trying to figure out how to make her wear a sign that says
> "half standard poodle and half black lab," since I get asked that at
> least half a dozen times on every walk.
>
> If you head straight out my driveway and up a side street, you come
> to Glen Echo Park, a little oasis that's a tiny protected nature area
> -- about two blocks long by half a block wide, situated between two
> halves of a quiet split street and divided by a live creek (fairly
> dry most of the time but running high now) with a footbridge. Big
> oaks, redwoods and eucalyptuses overhead, and a couple of small lawns
> where I feel OK about letting Amy off-leash while under supervision.
> To one side of the park is an area where the freeway arches overhead
> and the ground is covered with wood chips -- a dog litter box as far
> as I'm concerned, and it helps us keep the park pristine.
>
> This already feels like home to me, at least for now. I hope it
> weathers well.
>
> Janet
>

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> Janet Hardy wrote:
> > I'm told that high school girls these days struggle to stay in a size 0.
>
> I never knew, until this moment, that there is such a thing as a size 0.
> How can that be?
>
> alyce

I worked with several size 0s in my last advertising gig. They're all over.

Sandra

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02003-01-07 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 04:03:39PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
> = 02003-01-06 | "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU> writes:
> = > At 02:30 PM 1/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> = > >02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> = > >> Tushar Samant wrote:
> = > >> >
> = > >> > I'd like to state--calmly,
> = > >>
> = > >> It is a wonder that you are remaining calm after having had such a
> = > >> revelation.
> = > >
> = > >You got me ... I am not calm. Who would be when barbecue pork
> = > >is called "ham" to your face?
> = >
> = > Semantics I tell you. Pig is Pig. Tasty and very good.
> =
> = I thought you were of the, uh, chosen people
>
> Yeah, he is.  Of the people chosen to be asked every damn time
> they mention how yummy pork is whether they're of the "chosen
> people".

I see now why you have been called a snotty spoilt kid.

But you are right ... I very much enjoy hitting people with abysmally
stupid questions based on clichés which are approximately 800 years
old ...

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02003-01-06 | Alan Wild <awild@URI.EDU> writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> > Can't wait for them to get mainstream ... It will be GREAT to write
> > all sorts of jackass-posts about fatsos on magazine covers!
>
> Be sure to include a source picture...

Hell no, chase your own URL ...

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02003-01-06 | Janet Hardy <verdie@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> >> >Rather indirect stats, they seem to me.
> >>
> >> Yes, they are -- they're zeitgeist-type stats, not demographic-type
> >> stats. But, hey, isn't the zeitgeist what Hollywood is supposed to
> >> have a handle on?
> >
> >Can't wait for them to get mainstream ... It will be GREAT to write
> >all sorts of jackass-posts about fatsos on magazine covers!
>
> Get to work, honey. In this neighborhood, which has a high population
> of African-Americans, I see Queen Latifah plastered all over the
> supermarket checkstands. A nice change from Halle Berry, who,
> although toothsome, was also getting a little tiresome. (Also Oprah,
> come to think of it, although she's not quite as choice a fantasy
> object as QL. Except maybe money fantasies. Hmm... could I be Oprah's
> kept woman? Yeah, probably, although she'd have to get rid of that
> asshole Dr. Phil first.)

I must say my consciousness has suddenly been raised and I am
seeing the world with entirely new eyes! I am very sorry, I
will never make fat jokes! *sob* Hold me ...

(I never found QL or HB "toothsome" in any way. Though there
are some pictures of Oprah I found like pretty attractive, so
kill me now for I am F'd in the H'd)

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= > =
= > = I thought you were of the, uh, chosen people
= >
= > Yeah, he is.  Of the people chosen to be asked every damn time
= > they mention how yummy pork is whether they're of the "chosen
= > people".
=
= I see now why you have been called a snotty spoilt kid.
=

Um, you're now the first to call me either snotty or kid.

= But you are right ... I very much enjoy hitting people with abysmally
= stupid questions based on clichés which are approximately 800 years
= old ...

You're at a cultural advantage here, you realize, otherwise I'd
have something to say to you.

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02003-01-07 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> = > =
> = > = I thought you were of the, uh, chosen people
> = >
> = > Yeah, he is.  Of the people chosen to be asked every damn time
> = > they mention how yummy pork is whether they're of the "chosen
> = > people".
> =
> = I see now why you have been called a snotty spoilt kid.
>
> Um, you're now the first to call me either snotty or kid.

Wow, I *rule*!

> = But you are right ... I very much enjoy hitting people with abysmally
> = stupid questions based on clichés which are approximately 800 years
> = old ...
>
> You're at a cultural advantage here, you realize, otherwise I'd
> have something to say to you.

Hey, nice save ... Though I've got to say that in this matter I find
the European brothers far better informed. I have pillar-of-society
friends of four years who don't know if, say, I am Muslim or not,
whereas some immigrant guy in a Irish pub who carpenters for a living
will ask well-considered and to-the-point questions. Let that be as
it may. Kwak?

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12:21 06.01.2003 -0500 skrev Theodora Groothof:
>In a message dated 1/6/2003 1:52:32 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:
>
><< This morning we were down to -16 C and tomorrow -20 is expected. >>
>
>Brrrrrr Theo

Welcome back!

They cheated us - it was only -10 C this morning and it may become warmer (say -7).

Espen

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= >
= > You're at a cultural advantage here, you realize, otherwise I'd
= > have something to say to you.
=
= Hey, nice save ... Though I've got to say that in this matter I find
= the European brothers far better informed. I have pillar-of-society
= friends of four years who don't know if, say, I am Muslim or not,
= whereas some immigrant guy in a Irish pub who carpenters for a living
= will ask well-considered and to-the-point questions. Let that be as
= it may. Kwak?

Kwak.

Couple of things come to mind here.
1) whatever your religion, my knowlege of most religious dietary
requirements is pretty restricted.

2) people who ask these well-considered and to-the-point
questions are sometimes quite prejudiced.  not knowing and not
asking is protection.  Also, some people really care where they
stand with you on something like this.  I figure if there's
baggage here, it'll come out all by itself.  This is dangerous
turf.

3) A friend of mine was just in Belfast.  He went with the
attitude that being a Jew would be found to be neutral.  He
discovered that it made him nobody's friend.

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Inspired by Sly I have organized a few photos of the children in Bergen:

>From the hospital:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/sykehus.jpg

>From October 2002:

http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/Emil_Christoffer003.jpg
http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/Emil_Christoffer006.jpg

And there will be more GIFs soon!

Espen

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12:02 06.01.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
>At 02:55 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 01/06/2003 1:01:38 PM Central Standard Time,
>>bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>>
>><<
>>Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>And then he left.
>
>No, he was around for a long time after that.  We are going to see him on
>the 19th of this month.  He has been busy having a life and spending less
>time on the computer he said.  It's healthier for him.

Please say hello to him from me!

Espen

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14:29 06.01.2003 -0800 skrev Betty Clark:
Are we taking a survey?  Mem could put it on the web page.   Mine are gone
>but Larry has his. He was born in 1946 and has a birthday tomorrow!

HB to Larry! I still have mine. (Born 1953 - but I believe theye were never routinely removed in Norway. OTOH there were doctores known for appendix-removal in areas with few people and long distnaces between hospitals back in the 50ies.)

Espen

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18:03 06.01.2003 -0500 skrev clyde w. voigtlander:
>At 10:29 AM 1/6/2003 +0100, espen wrote:
>
>>Ah, so I was wrong. I have experienced cats going mad about boiled prawns...
>
>Sere, our youngest cat, is the only one we have had who likes shrimp
>(prawns).  To say that she likes them is a bit of an understatement.  A

I have experienced othewise wellbehaved cats who try to climb up the tablecloth when there are prawns (or shrimp) on the table.

Espen

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02003-01-07 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
> 2) people who ask these well-considered and to-the-point
> questions are sometimes quite prejudiced.

Hm, "may be quite prejudiced" ... yeah, I'll say that's a very
sensible thing to remember about people! Don't you think that
as a general rule, "prejudice" is antithetical to taking pains
to know the current reality of someone's life?

> not knowing and not asking is protection.

Yes, let's never talk until something appallingly hurtful
happens between the two of you. That's the proven formula
which has succeeded every time ...

> Also, some people really care where they stand with you on
> something like this.  I figure if there's baggage here, it'll
> come out all by itself. This is dangerous turf.

So could you estimate the percentage of wildly unreasonable
people like this? Because I have found it's close to zero.
Or should we just hole up in our safe small circle to avoid
some probable one-in-a-zillion unpleasantness? If you want
to call that prudence do so, I call it social ineptitude.

> 3) A friend of mine was just in Belfast.  He went with the
> attitude that being a Jew would be found to be neutral.  He
> discovered that it made him nobody's friend.

What about it? Did he strut around in an all-knowing way, having
figured out "how to be neutral in a war-torn area", or something?
(There is a variety of immigrants here who have absurdly wrong
prefab models of American society too, and the effect is the
same, nobody is their friend.)

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Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
real woman would be fighting words.

Jennifer Thompson
The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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> Janet Hardy wrote:
> > I'm told that high school girls these days struggle to stay in a
size 0.
>
> I never knew, until this moment, that there is such a thing as a size
0.
> How can that be?
>
> alyce

I worked with several size 0s in my last advertising gig. They're all
over.

Sandra

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Do you have a will?

We've discussed this before.  Yes.  It's one hand-written sentence.

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HB,L!!!!!!!
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> > One of the <illustrious> people whose papers we collect is a Canadian artist.
> > He sends us all his crap at the end of every year and it is my job to
> > inventory it all.  Last year he sent us some of his teeth.  Perhaps, Natalie,
> > yours are in your Archive.
>
> Which artist?
>
> Ann

It's probably better that I not reveal his name. It's unlikely that any of you would know
him, but since I have characterized his stuff as "crap"...


:-)

BrP

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20:30 06.01.2003 -0500 skrev prbarfoo:

>One of the <illustrious> people whose papers we collect is a Canadian artist.
>He sends us all his crap at the end of every year and it is my job to
>inventory it all.  Last year he sent us some of his teeth.  Perhaps, Natalie,
>yours are in your Archive.

Do you use Dewey for the teeth?

Espen

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19:55 06.01.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
>> bonniev wrote:
>> >
>> > If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
>> > from Notre Dame University?
>>
>> Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
>> start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
>> the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.
>
>What's this about Notre Dame? I am getting a very unpleasant image
>of a kid who e.g. gets an astonishing "fast track" to Max Planck
>Institute, and the "family" says, NO. We don't do it that way.
>You go to Notre Dame like your afghan says or I'll whoop your
>ass ...

Which Max Planck Institute are you thinking of?

espen (whos wife goes to MPI in Nijmegen for research stays)

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Great description.  Interesting neighborhood.  When you and Amy walk to
the bank, does Amy go in with you?  I've taken dogs into post offices
before but not into banks.  Am never sure of the rules re dogs in such
places, unless they're dogs helping the disabled.

Don' leave the cake out in the rain, btw.

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>Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>real woman would be fighting words.
>
>Jennifer Thompson
>The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
>georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

Real women have curves.   Submit picture, please.


    --bonniev

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Happy Birthday, Lar!

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I never knew, until this moment, that there is such a thing as a size 0.
> How can that be?

Didn't we discuss it here before?  I'm almost positive I remember saying
that I'd never heard of a size 0.  I rarely see anything smaller than 4
on the clothes racks I look at in stores.  Re 14 as the average, it
seems odd to me that most stores (ordinary department stores with the
well-known brands of moderately priced clothes -- Jones of NY, Liz
Claiborne, Karen Kane, etc. etc.) would suggest that 10 is about average
(which is what my guess would've been just from guessing) in that it
tends to be the middle on a rack.  Typical racks I look at go
6-8-10-12-14.  Sometimes they add a notch on each end:
4-6-8-10-12-14-16.

As we've discussed before, I think, a size in women's clothes isn't
consistent.  Unless you stick to only one brand, and even sometimes
then, you're not likely to find all your clothes with the same size
number.

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08:17 07.01.2003 +0100 skrev Tushar Samant:
>This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet
>Service.  To view the original message content,  open the attached
>message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to
>disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original
>character set. <<message.txt>>

When I open it I find among other information pieces:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Is this supposed to be an acceptabel encoding or is it Mutt or some node along the way which adds this not-so-meaningfull encoding type?

Espen


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Espen Ore wrote:

> And there will be more GIFs soon!

Good!  These are the urls I love to chase.  Great pictures.

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14:19 07.01.2003 +0100 skrev Espen Ore:

>When I open it I find among other information pieces:
>
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
>Is this supposed to be an acceptabel encoding or is it Mutt or some node
>along the way which adds this not-so-meaningfull encoding type?

Oops: this is the problem line:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> HB to Larry! I still have mine. (Born 1953 - but I believe theye were never routinely removed in Norway. OTOH there were doctores known for appendix-removal in areas with few people and long distnaces between hospitals back in the 50ies.)

My parents said that in their childhood sometimes whole families (the
children I mean) would have their tonsils out together -- like the
parents would gather up the two or three children in a bundle and take
them all for routine tonsillectomies.

Re appendectomies, that has sometimes occurred to me as something it
would make more sense to remove routinely, though I had never heard of
its being done until your posting.  I don't really know the medical
facts, of course, but it seems to me that two reasons for routine
appendectomies would be (1) a ruptured (or whatever it does) appendix
can strike suddenly and cause really big problems whereas sick tonsils
usually aren't quite as emergencyish in their defection, and (2) I don't
know that an appendix serves any purpose at all.  Does it?  I remember
hearing as a child (from other children) that all an appendix did was
catch pieces of fingernails if somebody chewed and swallowed
fingernails.

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> real woman would be fighting words.

Aha!  Somebody has succeeded in bringing in new blood.  Who and how?

Meanwhile, welcome, Jennifer.  Where do you find your size 0s?

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07:36 07.01.2003 -0500 skrev Jennifer Thompson:
>Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>real woman would be fighting words.

Welcome! Is this you?

http://www.132poundsofpower.com/

Espen

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 08:09:45AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= >Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
= >healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
= >real woman would be fighting words.
= >
= >Jennifer Thompson
= >The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
= >georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
=
= Real women have curves.   Submit picture, please.
=

How restrictive.  But please don't send the picture to the list!
I want to know which is bigger, Jennifer's waist or my thigh.

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my mutt didn't hick on it.  do you hick on my messages?


On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 02:19:44PM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
= 08:17 07.01.2003 +0100 skrev Tushar Samant:
= >This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet
= >Service.  To view the original message content,  open the attached
= >message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to
= >disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original
= >character set. <<message.txt>>
=
= When I open it I find among other information pieces:
=
= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
=
= Is this supposed to be an acceptabel encoding or is it Mutt or some node along the way which adds this not-so-meaningfull encoding type?
=
= Espen
=
=
=  --
= Espen S. Ore, National Library of Norway

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>07:36 07.01.2003 -0500 skrev Jennifer Thompson:
> >Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> >healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> >real woman would be fighting words.
>
>Welcome! Is this you?
>
>http://www.132poundsofpower.com/
>Espen

Wow.   I hope so.   However, that does not look like a size 0 woman.   I'd
guess an 8 or 10.


    --bonniev

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>How restrictive.  But please don't send the picture to the list!
>I want to know which is bigger, Jennifer's waist or my thigh.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could send pictures to the list?   You can do
that at Yahoogroups' lists.  Could changes be made in order for words-l to
accept .gifs?


    --bonniev

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 07:36:20AM -0500, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
= Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
= healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
= real woman would be fighting words.
=

No one did.  Do you always come into a room looking for a fight?


= Jennifer Thompson
= The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
= georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
=
=
= -----Original Message-----
= From: English Language Discussion Group
= [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of S Hess
= Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:16 AM
= To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
= Subject: Re: for those who haven't heard...
=
= > Janet Hardy wrote:
= > > I'm told that high school girls these days struggle to stay in a
= size 0.
= >
= > I never knew, until this moment, that there is such a thing as a size
= 0.
= > How can that be?
= >
= > alyce
=
= I worked with several size 0s in my last advertising gig. They're all
= over.
=
= Sandra

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> Wouldn't it be nice if we could send pictures to the list?   You can do
> that at Yahoogroups' lists.  Could changes be made in order for words-l to
> accept .gifs?

Welcome to Words-L, Jennifer. Impressive entry, I must say.

Addressing Bonnie's question - it is possible to allow attachments.
I will not do that, however, as that will open the door for virus transmission and God knows what else.
If people want to send pictures, they should advertise their availability with a time limit for responses and then backchannel them.

--Adam
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15:11 07.01.2003 +0100 skrev steph:
>my mutt didn't hick on it.  do you hick on my messages?

No - but every so often on Tushar's, and it seems always to be the undefined encoding.

Espen

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bonniev wrote:

> Wouldn't it be nice if we could send pictures to the list?

No.  For various reasons.  Think about people with slow connections;
think about the amount of space taken up for somebody who's out of town
but not on nomail; think about the mess for somebody reading via telnet
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Subject: Re: for those who haven't heard...
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I haven't got a jpeg of myself in my office, but I will submit a picture if
the sight of my rack (clothed, of course) will convince skeptics.  As far as
where to buy a size 0, let's just say that it's all about The Gap.  The
assistant professors among us can't afford those reviled lines sized for the
slender.

I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes me;
he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own blog (a
thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot and musings on
de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.

Best,
Jennifer

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:34:32 -0600 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have
> you know that I'm a
> > healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything
> about my being less than a
> > real woman would be fighting words.
>
> Aha!  Somebody has succeeded in bringing in new
> blood.  Who and how?
>
> Meanwhile, welcome, Jennifer.  Where do you
> find your size 0s?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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No, that's one of the many other Jennifer Thompsons out there.  I'm at
ajdrake.com/jjthompson.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:35:39 +0100 Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> wrote:

> 07:36 07.01.2003 -0500 skrev Jennifer Thompson:
> >Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have
> you know that I'm a
> >healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything
> about my being less than a
> >real woman would be fighting words.
>
> Welcome! Is this you?
>
> http://www.132poundsofpower.com/
>
> Espen
>

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Note that a member did pick up my dropped gauntlet, although I was kidding.  I
only believe in using emoticons ironically, however, so I refrained.

Best,
Jennifer

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:17:13 +0100 steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 07:36:20AM -0500,
> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
> = Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have
> you know that I'm a
> = healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything
> about my being less than a
> = real woman would be fighting words.
> =
>
> No one did.  Do you always come into a room
> looking for a fight?
>
>
> = Jennifer Thompson
> = The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> = georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
> =
> =
> = -----Original Message-----
> = From: English Language Discussion Group
> = [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
> Of S Hess
> = Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:16 AM
> = To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> = Subject: Re: for those who haven't heard...
> =
> = > Janet Hardy wrote:
> = > > I'm told that high school girls these
> days struggle to stay in a
> = size 0.
> = >
> = > I never knew, until this moment, that there
> is such a thing as a size
> = 0.
> = > How can that be?
> = >
> = > alyce
> =
> = I worked with several size 0s in my last
> advertising gig. They're all
> = over.
> =
> = Sandra
>

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:14:23AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= >How restrictive.  But please don't send the picture to the list!
= >I want to know which is bigger, Jennifer's waist or my thigh.
=
= Wouldn't it be nice if we could send pictures to the list?   You can do
= that at Yahoogroups' lists.  Could changes be made in order for words-l to
= accept .gifs?
=

NO

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 06:59:57AM -0800, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
= Note that a member did pick up my dropped gauntlet, although I was kidding.  I
             ^meeber
= only believe in using emoticons ironically, however, so I refrained.
=
= Best,
= Jennifer
=

I take everything literally, so sometimes I miss the joke.

I get over it.


= On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:17:13 +0100 steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:
=
= > On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 07:36:20AM -0500,
= > Jennifer Thompson wrote:
= > = Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have
= > you know that I'm a
= > = healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything
= > about my being less than a
= > = real woman would be fighting words.
= > =
= >
= > No one did.  Do you always come into a room
= > looking for a fight?
= >
= >
= > = Jennifer Thompson
= > = The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
= > = georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
= > =
= > =
= > = -----Original Message-----
= > = From: English Language Discussion Group
= > = [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
= > Of S Hess
= > = Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:16 AM
= > = To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
= > = Subject: Re: for those who haven't heard...
= > =
= > = > Janet Hardy wrote:
= > = > > I'm told that high school girls these
= > days struggle to stay in a
= > = size 0.
= > = >
= > = > I never knew, until this moment, that there
= > is such a thing as a size
= > = 0.
= > = > How can that be?
= > = >
= > = > alyce
= > =
= > = I worked with several size 0s in my last
= > advertising gig. They're all
= > = over.
= > =
= > = Sandra
= >

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Do you have a will?
>
> We've discussed this before.  Yes.  It's one hand-written sentence.

"Notify the list!"?

Karen

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bonniev said:
> Wouldn't it be nice if we could send pictures to the list?   You can do
> that at Yahoogroups' lists.  Could changes be made in order for words-l to
> accept .gifs?

No.

Karen

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Adam Hartfield said:
> If people want to send pictures, they should advertise their availability with a time limit for responses and then backchannel them.

Or provide URLs to chase.

Karen

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Jennifer Thompson said:
> I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes me;
> he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.

Kaminski?

> For my own blog (a
> thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot and musings on
> de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
> http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.

Oooh!:)

Karen

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 07:10:33AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Natalie Maynor said:
= > Karen Kay wrote:
= > > Do you have a will?
= >
= > We've discussed this before.  Yes.  It's one hand-written sentence.
=
= "Notify the list!"?
=
= Karen

No, "Give it to the dogs!".

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> HB,L!!!!!!!

I add my good wishes.

alyce

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> real woman would be fighting words.

I have no criticism for a size 0 American woman. I just don't understand
the nomenclature. Zero = nothing. I'd think that sizes would begin with
1 or something.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> As we've discussed before, I think, a size in women's clothes isn't
> consistent.

Generally speaking, I believe that "better" clothes are cut more
generously so that one can wear a size labelled smaller than similar
cheap clothing. But certainly there seem to be no real standards
regardless of price.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> > HB,L!!!!!!!
>
> I add my good wishes.

Me, three.

Karen

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This actually happened in November, when I wasn't paying attention.

http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20021118S0023

Karen

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alyce cresap said:
> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
> > Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> > healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> > real woman would be fighting words.
>
> I have no criticism for a size 0 American woman. I just don't understand
> the nomenclature. Zero = nothing. I'd think that sizes would begin with
> 1 or something.

1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.

Karen

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>I"m going to be in Oakland for 3 months starting Feb 1. I'll be on Mandana
>...not too far from you, I think. It's off the Grand Ave exit off 580.

Quite close. You'll be right near my best friends Mic & Beth -- it's
a long walk or a very short car trip. We just seem destined to live
close together ;)

XO,
J

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>I must say my consciousness has suddenly been raised and I am
>seeing the world with entirely new eyes! I am very sorry, I
>will never make fat jokes! *sob* Hold me ...

I will crush you against my enormous bosom and smother you, my pet.

Janet

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>Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>real woman would be fighting words.

Welcome to the list. We promise not to hate you because you're beautiful ;)

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.

Nonsense. What about sizes 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15? I also have worn 13
many times. It's about shorter waists, I think.

alyce

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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> Inspired by Sly I have organized a few photos of the children in Bergen:

More... more.... more    Please

What lovely babies....

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  but I get this too full feeling too quickly. There must be an
> easy way to do this, but I'm at loss....

This full feeling is exactly what troubles me. You have to eat in little
bits, all the time. It is inconvenient as hell, having to make
half-meals. Snacking crackers or nuts or candy will help, but of course
you can't just snack with no real balanced meals. I have been trying to
have half-cups of soup in the afternoon. Don't know if it helps, but I
am trying. And then there are energy bars like Bonnie eats. Those are
good snacks.

alyce

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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>  As we've discussed before, I think, a size in women's clothes isn't
>>  consistent.
>
>Generally speaking, I believe that "better" clothes are cut more
>generously so that one can wear a size labelled smaller than similar
>cheap clothing. But certainly there seem to be no real standards
>regardless of price.

And Lane Bryant cuts larger still -- I wear a 16 or an 18 most
places, but at LB I'm a 14 and things are still often a bit loose.

There's a wonderful large women's store in downtown SF where size 14
is labeled "XS" and the sizes go up from there. I can't usually
afford to shop there, but I enjoy it when I can.

Janet

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>alyce cresap said:
>>  Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>>  > Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>>  > healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>>  > real woman would be fighting words.
>>
>>  I have no criticism for a size 0 American woman. I just don't understand
>>  the nomenclature. Zero = nothing. I'd think that sizes would begin with
>  > 1 or something.
>
>1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.

They could just label them "Not in your lifetime, pal," or "If you
have to read the label, you can't fit into me."

Janet

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>No, that's one of the many other Jennifer Thompsons out there.  I'm at
>ajdrake.com/jjthompson.

She's a published poet, Tushar !   Fall in love !

Welcome, Jennifer.


    --bonniev

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>Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>  1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.
>
>Nonsense. What about sizes 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15? I also have worn 13
>many times. It's about shorter waists, I think.

Those are junior sizes; the even numbers are misses' sizes, and the
ones with W after them (even or odd) are women's sizes, which are
proportionately broader and designed for the more <matronly>. And we
wonder why men don't like to buy us clothes as presents.

Janet

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> No, that's one of the many other Jennifer Thompsons out there.  I'm at
> ajdrake.com/jjthompson.

So you're at Embry-Riddle.  Do you happen to know Buzz Piercey?  He's
head of the Physics Dept there.  Or I guess he still is.  He left here a
couple of years ago to go there to do that.  Have you met any terrorists
learning to fly airplanes at E-R?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > We've discussed this before.  Yes.  It's one hand-written sentence.
>
> "Notify the list!"?

I should write a will leaving various things to various Wordslers.  That
would be fun.

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Janet Hardy said:
> >I must say my consciousness has suddenly been raised and I am
> >seeing the world with entirely new eyes! I am very sorry, I
> >will never make fat jokes! *sob* Hold me ...
>
> I will crush you against my enormous bosom and smother you, my pet.

LOL. I want to watch.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > I never knew, until this moment, that there is such a thing as a size 0.
> > How can that be?
>
> Didn't we discuss it here before?  I'm almost positive I remember saying
> that I'd never heard of a size 0.  I rarely see anything smaller than 4
> on the clothes racks I look at in stores.  Re 14 as the average, it
> seems odd to me that most stores (ordinary department stores with the
> well-known brands of moderately priced clothes -- Jones of NY, Liz
> Claiborne, Karen Kane, etc. etc.) would suggest that 10 is about average
> (which is what my guess would've been just from guessing) in that it
> tends to be the middle on a rack.  Typical racks I look at go
> 6-8-10-12-14.  Sometimes they add a notch on each end:
> 4-6-8-10-12-14-16.

Yes, they would like to suggest that 10 is about average... but then
they go and develop the plus size lines because many women need sizes
larger than 14.   14-16-18-20-22-24  and the really savvy lines include
sizes 26-28-30.   I guess adding those numbers as well as 0-2-4  would
create an average of 14.

The lean and lanky folk may have to shop harder than the fluffy folk
because the plus size market is growing.

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>
> Me too. It would be interesting to have an enormous bosom, but only
> for long enough to thoroughly clasp Tushar; then it would have to go
> away.
>
> Janet

Mebbe if you clasped him hard enough he could take it with him.

BrP

Department of Formalized Curiosity

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> real woman would be fighting words.

Welcome.  Welcome.   Don't they say size doesn't matter?

What attracted you to these shark infested waters?

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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  >I must say my consciousness has suddenly been raised and I am
>>  >seeing the world with entirely new eyes! I am very sorry, I
>>  >will never make fat jokes! *sob* Hold me ...
>>
>>  I will crush you against my enormous bosom and smother you, my pet.
>
>LOL. I want to watch.

Me too. It would be interesting to have an enormous bosom, but only
for long enough to thoroughly clasp Tushar; then it would have to go
away.

Janet

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>Great description.  Interesting neighborhood.  When you and Amy walk to
>the bank, does Amy go in with you?  I've taken dogs into post offices
>before but not into banks.  Am never sure of the rules re dogs in such
>places, unless they're dogs helping the disabled.

I've taken her into banks a few times, mostly when I'm parked
somewhere I don't feel comfortable leaving her in the car (either
because it's in direct sunlight, because I've had to park in valet
parking, or because the bank is in a really rough neighborhood -- if
the latter, I feel better having her with me anyway). Nobody's ever
said anything, although I've gotten some wary looks -- particularly
in my old neighborhood, which was predominantly Asian. I noticed
while living there that the Asian residents as a rule were not
comfortable around big dogs; African-Americans, OTOH, typically adore
her and want to pet her and ask questions about her, so she gets lots
more attention here than there. (There, that's my prejudice for the
day, but it helps me decide whether to let her go over and say hi to
people or not.)

>Don' leave the cake out in the rain, btw.

Wouldn't dream of it.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:

> 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.

"Misses" sizes are even.  "Junior" sizes are odd.

What happens to somebody smaller than 0?  Is that person deemed
negative?

--
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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.
>
> Nonsense. What about sizes 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15? I also have worn 13
> many times. It's about shorter waists, I think.

No, it's *1*, 3, 5 etc. 0 is the positive number equivalent. I don't
see what's so hard to get about this, but I'm not going to discuss it
further.

Though I would like to state for the record that I
have never seen a size 15 anything. Or 17, 19, 21, etc. It's kind of
too bad, because I am so in-between sizes.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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>
> I should write a will leaving various things to various Wordslers.  That
> would be fun.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You should let us write it for you.  That would be fun too.  Would you leave me your
accent?  I'd like to have it for the next time I'm in Toronto and want to ask for
directions to the Condom Shack.

BrP

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alyce cresap wrote:

> you can't just snack with no real balanced meals.

Wouldn't that depend on what the snacks consisted of?

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:55:32AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Karen Kay wrote:
=
= > 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.
=
= "Misses" sizes are even.  "Junior" sizes are odd.
=
= What happens to somebody smaller than 0?  Is that person deemed
= negative?
=

I bet they get to wear tall kids sizes.

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alyce cresap said:
> This full feeling is exactly what troubles me. You have to eat in little
> bits, all the time. It is inconvenient as hell, having to make
> half-meals. Snacking crackers or nuts or candy will help, but of course
> you can't just snack with no real balanced meals.

Why not?

> I have been trying to have half-cups of soup in the afternoon. Don't
> know if it helps, but I am trying. And then there are energy bars
> like Bonnie eats. Those are good snacks.

I don't think soup helps; typically that's what people who are trying
to lose weight eat.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Janet Hardy said:
> They could just label them "Not in your lifetime, pal," or "If you
> have to read the label, you can't fit into me."

My size 0 friend is the only person I know who is thin enough to get
behind my refrigerator. She attached the water hose for the drink
station. So they have their uses!

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Sylvia Edwards said:
> The lean and lanky folk may have to shop harder than the fluffy folk
> because the plus size market is growing.

The market may be growing, but I don't think it's reflected in the
clothing stores.

Karen
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> Janet Hardy said:
> > They could just label them "Not in your lifetime, pal," or "If you
> > have to read the label, you can't fit into me."
>
> My size 0 friend is the only person I know who is thin enough to get
> behind my refrigerator. She attached the water hose for the drink
> station. So they have their uses!
>
> Karen
> Department of Cosmic Secrets

There's a certain irony to being thin enough to be BEHIND the refrigerator.


BrP

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > We've discussed this before.  Yes.  It's one hand-written sentence.
> >
> > "Notify the list!"?
>
> I should write a will leaving various things to various Wordslers.  That
> would be fun.

I don't want anything, I just want to know when you forget to turn the
electricity off at the breaker box.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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In a message dated 1/7/2003 9:43:25 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Nonsense. What about sizes 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15? I also have worn 13
many times. It's about shorter waists, I think.
 >>

I'm with Alyce on this one. Theo

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:53 AM
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>
>
>Sylvia Edwards said:
>> The lean and lanky folk may have to shop harder than the fluffy folk
>> because the plus size market is growing.
>
>The market may be growing, but I don't think it's reflected in the
>clothing stores.
>
>Karen
>Department of Cosmic Secrets
>

Yes. At least in our area, there are many new plus size clothing stores.
Also companies have added catalog sections with plus size stuff. Land's End
is a good example.



alec

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.
>
> "Misses" sizes are even.  "Junior" sizes are odd.

But Junior sizes don't go on forever.

> What happens to somebody smaller than 0?  Is that person deemed
> negative?

You might could buy kids clothes.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 08:50:59AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Janet Hardy said:
= > They could just label them "Not in your lifetime, pal," or "If you
= > have to read the label, you can't fit into me."
=
= My size 0 friend is the only person I know who is thin enough to get
= behind my refrigerator. She attached the water hose for the drink
= station. So they have their uses!
=

There was a real skinny guy that I saw come out of his apartment
yesterday and had to avoid bumping into him over the course of
navigating the intersection since he was walking faster than me
but I had chosen a shorter route.  Anyway, he looked more like a
long time heroin addict than anything else, but you get that
around here.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Though I would like to state for the record that I
> have never seen a size 15 anything.

When I was pregnant, I wore 15s for a time in the days when maternity
clothes still were dorky. Size 15 was not hard to find. But I don't
recall 17s or larger odd numbers.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> but of course
> > you can't just snack with no real balanced meals.
>
> Why not?
>
Because I am told that one needs fruits and vegetables and meats and all
sorts of things. I do not think it is healthy (though I do it a lot) to
omit fruits and vegetables. That is what I mean by balanced. And now you
will say that one can snack on celery and carrot sticks. Yes, I know,
but I do not enjoy them very much. And then you will say I can eat an
apple, and I will tell you my teeth do not permit.
Etc. Don't be snide.

alyce

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > Janet Hardy said:
> > > They could just label them "Not in your lifetime, pal," or "If you
> > > have to read the label, you can't fit into me."
> >
> > My size 0 friend is the only person I know who is thin enough to get
> > behind my refrigerator. She attached the water hose for the drink
> > station. So they have their uses!
> >
> > Karen
> > Department of Cosmic Secrets
>
> There's a certain irony to being thin enough to be BEHIND the refrigerator.

It was empty when she was doing this.:)

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Wouldn't that depend on what the snacks consisted of?

See earlier reply to Karen. Some things just do not seem snackable (to
me). Stewed tomatoes, for instance, are not something that I'd carry
around my house to snack on (and get moths in the rug).

On ABC news last night, in a feature about weight loss, they said that
you are more apt to lose weight if you wat sitting down rather than
standing up. This means that there probably are a lot of sink eaters for
them to make this comparison.

alyce

alyce

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Alec D. Plotkin said:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: English Language Discussion Group
> >[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:53 AM
> >To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: for those who haven't heard...
> >
> >
> >Sylvia Edwards said:
> >> The lean and lanky folk may have to shop harder than the fluffy folk
> >> because the plus size market is growing.
> >
> >The market may be growing, but I don't think it's reflected in the
> >clothing stores.
> >
> >Karen
> >Department of Cosmic Secrets
> >
>
> Yes. At least in our area, there are many new plus size clothing stores.

Not here.

> Also companies have added catalog sections with plus size stuff. Land's End
> is a good example.

I stopped getting Land's End when I grew out of their clothes; now I
can't afford 'em.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>HB,L!!!!!!!

Indeed!

Bethany

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steph said:
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 08:50:59AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Janet Hardy said:
> = > They could just label them "Not in your lifetime, pal," or "If you
> = > have to read the label, you can't fit into me."
> =
> = My size 0 friend is the only person I know who is thin enough to get
> = behind my refrigerator. She attached the water hose for the drink
> = station. So they have their uses!
> =
>
> There was a real skinny guy that I saw come out of his apartment
> yesterday and had to avoid bumping into him over the course of
> navigating the intersection since he was walking faster than me
> but I had chosen a shorter route.  Anyway, he looked more like a
> long time heroin addict than anything else, but you get that
> around here.

My friend doesn't look like a heroin addict. It's mostly that her
bones are tiny; one wonders what her hips were like before she had
children.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Karen Kay wrote:

>You might could buy kids clothes.

Let's hear it for double modals!!!

Bethany

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > but of course
> > > you can't just snack with no real balanced meals.
> >
> > Why not?
> >
> Because I am told that one needs fruits and vegetables and meats and all
> sorts of things. I do not think it is healthy (though I do it a lot) to
> omit fruits and vegetables. That is what I mean by balanced. And now you
> will say that one can snack on celery and carrot sticks. Yes, I know,
> but I do not enjoy them very much. And then you will say I can eat an
> apple, and I will tell you my teeth do not permit.
> Etc. Don't be snide.

Phhhbt! Don't put words in my mouth, Alyce.

The only thing I was going to remind you is that you don't have to
balance your meals one-by-one, but day-by-day or every-few-days by
every-few-days. And actually... I don't think you have to worry as
much about balancing meals as you do about ingesting calories at this
point.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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alyce cresap said:
> On ABC news last night, in a feature about weight loss, they said that
> you are more apt to lose weight if you wat sitting down rather than
> standing up. This means that there probably are a lot of sink eaters for
> them to make this comparison.

Or counter eaters.

I wonder why this is the case.

I ate lunch at my sister's on the counter. I can't remember why. Oh,
yes, I was packing. I would eat two bites and then go back and work on
packing some more. I finally ended up at the table because one of the
kids finished.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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>  >
>>  Me too. It would be interesting to have an enormous bosom, but only
>>  for long enough to thoroughly clasp Tushar; then it would have to go
>  > away.
>
>Mebbe if you clasped him hard enough he could take it with him.

<g> A friend of mine, in the midst of a very dry spell, once proposed
the idea of a Murphy Breast, which you could pull down out of the
wall to fondle when you felt the need. I think we're onto something
here.

Janet

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>Alec D. Plotkin said:
>  > Yes. At least in our area, there are many new plus size clothing stores.
>
>Not here.

Didn't I just read somewhere that Houston is the fattest city in the
country? Maybe you should shop in Houston.

Janet

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>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>  Wouldn't that depend on what the snacks consisted of?
>
>See earlier reply to Karen. Some things just do not seem snackable (to
>me). Stewed tomatoes, for instance, are not something that I'd carry
>around my house to snack on (and get moths in the rug).

Do you like V-8 juice? Jay, who doesn't ordinarily snack on
vegetables, keeps it around as a snack. Of course, it has virtually
no calories, so it won't help you gain weight -- but it could help
defray your worries about getting enough fruits & vegetables, and you
can sip it while you snack.

Janet

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Karen Kay wrote:
 I don't think you have to worry as
> much about balancing meals as you do about ingesting calories at this
> point.

Yes. OK.

alyce

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> Do you like V-8 juice?

Yes, I do. I never think of getting it. I will put it on my list for the
next shopping, whenever that may be.

It snowed another inch in the night, so the car and walks and steps are
covered again.

alyce

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Alec D. Plotkin said:
> >  > Yes. At least in our area, there are many new plus size clothing stores.
> >
> >Not here.
>
> Didn't I just read somewhere that Houston is the fattest city in the
> country? Maybe you should shop in Houston.

Yes, and Austin is one of the fittest.

But their algorithm was weird, from what I've heard. They added up
gyms and green spaces and medical facilities and divided by the number
of people--something like that. They didn't actually measure the
number of obese people, but they measured something like the
possibility for obesity. The fact that I live across from a park
doesn't make me fitter, for example.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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At 08:48 AM 1/7/2003 -0800, karen wrote:

>I don't think soup helps; typically that's what people who are trying
>to lose weight eat.

You could always "fortify" the soup with high-calorie stuff (cream, butter,
etc.) and some chowders are substantial.  It's been so long since I've
bought soup (save the occasional can of chicken broth) that I don't know
what is out there.  Some of those marketed as "hearty" must have some
substance.

cwv

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>At 08:48 AM 1/7/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>
>>I don't think soup helps; typically that's what people who are trying
>>to lose weight eat.
>
>You could always "fortify" the soup with high-calorie stuff (cream, butter,
>etc.) and some chowders are substantial.  It's been so long since I've
>bought soup (save the occasional can of chicken broth) that I don't know
>what is out there.  Some of those marketed as "hearty" must have some
>substance.

Mostly salt, I think.

Although I used to make "soups" when my teeth were wired shut that
would put most milkshakes to shame, calorie-wise. It might have had
something to do with the vast quantities of sour cream I used to
blend into them.

Janet

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 08:48 AM 1/7/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> >I don't think soup helps; typically that's what people who are trying
> >to lose weight eat.
>
> You could always "fortify" the soup with high-calorie stuff (cream, butter,
> etc.) and some chowders are substantial.  It's been so long since I've
> bought soup (save the occasional can of chicken broth) that I don't know
> what is out there.  Some of those marketed as "hearty" must have some
> substance.

I think the idea is that soup is relatively filling for the calories
it provides. No matter what the contents. A high fat soup just makes
you full quicker.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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At 07:32 PM 1/4/03 -0800, Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

>> >He lives in a Swedish neighborhood. Oh! You missed my reports!!!
>>
>> Blog it.  Can I read it in the archives?
>
>Yes. The thread is something like How Tushar Stole My Virginity...

Tushar Report, or How I Lost My Virginity

Jim McIntosh <jemcinto@idirect.ca>

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> You could always "fortify" the soup with high-calorie stuff (cream, butter,
> etc.) and some chowders are substantial.

The soups are from the neighbors, homemade, thick, and very substantial.
That is why I can only eat a half cup at a time. LOis is one good soup
maker. Potato, cream of chicken, cream of mushroom, so thick that I have
to add water in order to heat them.

alyce

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I do know Buzz.  He's now Dean of the new College of Arts and sciences, and
thus >my< dean (which I originally mistyped as "dead").  We have a
classic-car-buff bond.

People here are very sensitive about the terrorist thing, I've noticed.  I
laugh, however, because I came here specifically to bring down late
capitalism.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:51:54 -0600 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
> >
> > No, that's one of the many other Jennifer
> Thompsons out there.  I'm at
> > ajdrake.com/jjthompson.
>
> So you're at Embry-Riddle.  Do you happen to
> know Buzz Piercey?  He's
> head of the Physics Dept there.  Or I guess he
> still is.  He left here a
> couple of years ago to go there to do that.
> Have you met any terrorists
> learning to fly airplanes at E-R?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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Believe me, I often wonder.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:55:32 -0600 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are
> even.
>
> "Misses" sizes are even.  "Junior" sizes are
> odd.
>
> What happens to somebody smaller than 0?  Is
> that person deemed
> negative?
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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In a message dated 1/7/2003 11:18:52 AM, cwv@PANAX.COM writes:
<< You could always "fortify" the soup with high-calorie stuff (cream, butter,
etc.) and some chowders are substantial.  It's been so long since I've
bought soup (save the occasional can of chicken broth) that I don't know
what is out there.  Some of those marketed as "hearty" must have some
substance.
 >>
      I do that; also ad noodles and stuff, but it still doesn't seem to
help.
Theo

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That's the man.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:23:01 -0800 Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> Jennifer Thompson said:
> > I was invited to join by a gentleman named
> Peter whose last name excapes me;
> > he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm
> working on.
>
> Kaminski?
>
> > For my own blog (a
> > thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to
> close reading of Eliot and musings on
> > de Man's "Literary History and Literary
> Modernity"), see
> > http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
>
> Oooh!:)
>
> Karen
>

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> alyce cresap said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.
> >
> > Nonsense. What about sizes 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15? I also have worn 13
> > many times. It's about shorter waists, I think.
>
> No, it's *1*, 3, 5 etc. 0 is the positive number equivalent. I don't
> see what's so hard to get about this, but I'm not going to discuss it
> further.

?  Wasn't what Alyce was calling nonsense your statement that "sizes are
even"?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't think soup helps; typically that's what people who are trying
> to lose weight eat.

I think of most soups as pretty high-calorie, not what somebody wanting
to lose weight would choose.  But it obviously would depend on what the
soup is made from.  Suddenly I'm reminded of my old friend Jack Dazey,
who would refer at times to weenie-water soup.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I don't want anything, I just want to know when you forget to turn the
> electricity off at the breaker box.

I've noticed that electricians never do that.  They just hop right up to
the live wires and do the job.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > 1 is an odd number, though, and sizes are even.
> >
> > "Misses" sizes are even.  "Junior" sizes are odd.
>
> But Junior sizes don't go on forever.

Nor do Misses.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> You should let us write it for you.  That would be fun too.  Would you leave me your
> accent?  I'd like to have it for the next time I'm in Toronto and want to ask for
> directions to the Condom Shack.

Ok.  What do others want?  I want Alyce to have Spencer if she would
take him.  He would enjoy life with Alyce and Spike.  Everything else is
up for grabs.  I can't promise the wisdom teeth until I find them,
though.

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> > >
> > > "Misses" sizes are even.  "Junior" sizes are odd.
> >
> > But Junior sizes don't go on forever.
>
> Nor do Misses.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Mebbe they are the Near-Misses.

BrP

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> I do know Buzz.  He's now Dean of the new College of Arts and sciences, and
> thus >my< dean (which I originally mistyped as "dead").  We have a
> classic-car-buff bond.

Tell him hi for me.  Re typing "dead," I think I've told here before
about a colleague who hated the current dean and made two typos in two
different letters to him, one calling him Dead McGlone instead of Dean
McGlone, the other calling him Dean McGone.

> People here are very sensitive about the terrorist thing, I've noticed.  I
> laugh, however, because I came here specifically to bring down late
> capitalism.

Wasn't E-R let off the hook pretty quickly and deemed innocent?  I can't
remember for sure now.  Just remember that it was mentioned a good bit
in the weeks immediately following 9/11/01.

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>Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>real woman would be fighting words.
>
>Jennifer Thompson
>The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
>georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

Ok, let's rumble!

Anne Toal
The Harwell Chair of Bandwidth Utilization Studies

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>Also companies have added catalog sections with plus size stuff. Land's End
>is a good example.

Question, Alec: Is Land's End truly sized larger, or it is all just pretty
pictures of un-fat models wearing Size 14 Muu-muus? In other words, can you
expect it to actually fit if you order your size by mail, or should you go
up one or 2 to fit?

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So this is the highest anyone has been, I think.

Organization: As They Were Antiquarian Books
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Well my game has ended during level 26 with a final score of
2,257,390 and a ranking of Super Dictionarian.

Cordially,
Ray Reed,  www.booksalot.com
As They Were Antiquarian Books


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> For those who have been following the scores posted on this board and who
have
> whiled away hours playing bookworm, I have just broken the 2 million point
> mark and am still playing.  I was thrilled when I hit 1 million sometime
> yesterday, and would have been happy at having any score to report over 1
> million. I will post my final score when this game ends, I am currently at
> level 24 with 2,024550 points.
>
> Thank goodness I have a DSL connection and can leave the browser window to
> bookworm open and leave the game for hours at a time and overnight, so I
can
> get some work done, etc.
>
> Some have emailed me asking for the link to the game so here it is.
> http://www.popcap.com/gamepopup.php?theGame=bookworm
>
> Cordially,
> Ray Reed,  www.booksalot.com
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>  >Also companies have added catalog sections with plus size stuff. Land's End
>>is a good example.
>
>Question, Alec: Is Land's End truly sized larger, or it is all just pretty
>pictures of un-fat models wearing Size 14 Muu-muus? In other words, can you
>expect it to actually fit if you order your size by mail, or should you go
>up one or 2 to fit?

Don't know about Land's End, but I've found that Eddie Bauer is
fairly true to size, although on the smallish side. I'd probably
order an 18 there in lower-body garments and a 16 in upper-body
garments, which is a size larger than I'd buy in most stores. OTOH,
their garments aren't designed to be skin-tight, so a bit of extra
fabric is appropriate.

Ben insists on Eddie Bauer slacks and jeans, and Jay prefers them. My
current "dressy jeans" are from there (in a 36" waist, which is the
same as I'd buy elsewhere). They seem generally to do very well by
bigger folks.

Janet

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I climbed back up and put the lightbulb back in so that I could examine
the situation better than I could by flashlight and also so that I could
make sure I was unscrewing the correct fuse in the fusebox.  What I
discovered is interesting.  Ok, the white thing that is screwed into the
ceiling to hold the light fixture has a tiny chain on it that appears to
have been used in the past as the real chain -- as in you can tell that
an extension used to be on it -- something one could pull from farther
down.  And that very short chain into the white thing works fine.  I
pulled it and the light went off, pulled it again and the light came
back on.  The longer chain, with a long string attached that goes down
the side of the wall and has a thread-holder at its bottom near the
closet door, is the one that's not working.  It's attached to a brown
thing that appears to be inserted into the white thing.  The lightbulb
is screwed into the bottom of the brown thing.  The sides of the brown
thing have outlets where things can be plugged in.  Or at least one side
does.  I don't think I looked at the other side.  So I think the problem
has been solved.  All I need to do is snip off the long, threaded string
that has been the off/on string ever since I moved here and add an
extension to the short chain that's up higher and use it for turning the
light off and on.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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=
= <g> A friend of mine, in the midst of a very dry spell, once proposed
= the idea of a Murphy Breast, which you could pull down out of the
= wall to fondle when you felt the need. I think we're onto something
= here.
=
= Janet

Ah, purrhaps that's why I have a Murphy cat.  He certainly
appreciates being fondled when I feel the need.

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You know, it might be better for me to will Spencer to Janet instead of
to Alyce.  It occurs to me that Spencer is a good bit younger and
rompier than Spike and might need more exercise than he could get
there.  But then he is not a wanderer -- he could go out and romp alone
probably.  Still, I was thinking about how much he would love to go
strolling with Janet and Amy, visiting banks and POs.  And he can look
fierce, making Janet and Amy feel comfortable about McArthur Park.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> ?  Wasn't what Alyce was calling nonsense your statement that "sizes are
> even"?

YEs, that was what I said and what I meant, too.

alyce

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:44:01AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
= >Natalie Maynor wrote:
= >>  Wouldn't that depend on what the snacks consisted of?
= >
= >See earlier reply to Karen. Some things just do not seem snackable (to
= >me). Stewed tomatoes, for instance, are not something that I'd carry
= >around my house to snack on (and get moths in the rug).
=
= Do you like V-8 juice? Jay, who doesn't ordinarily snack on

I'm thinking something more like instant hot chocolate.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Ok.  What do others want?  I want Alyce to have Spencer if she would
> take him.

If the need should arise, and I pray it does not, and if I am ambulatory
and breathing, I shall be happy to care for Spencer. I appreciate the
gesture and your trust in me.

alyce

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Anne Toal wrote:
>
> Question, Alec: Is Land's End truly sized larger, or it is all just pretty
> pictures of un-fat models wearing Size 14 Muu-muus? In other words, can you
> expect it to actually fit if you order your size by mail, or should you go
> up one or 2 to fit?
>
I always found things to fit as they say. If you call them, they are
great about telling you the actual measurements of garments, beyond
their regular size chart.

alyce
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I just have to ask....


> I climbed back up and put the lightbulb back in so that I could examine
> the situation better than I could by flashlight and also so that I could
> make sure I was unscrewing the correct fuse in the fusebox.  What I
> discovered is interesting.  Ok, the white thing that is screwed into the
> ceiling to hold the light fixture has a tiny chain on it that appears to
> have been used in the past as the real chain -- as in you can tell that
> an extension used to be on it -- something one could pull from farther
> down.  And that very short chain into the white thing works fine.  I
> pulled it and the light went off, pulled it again and the light came
> back on.  The longer chain, with a long string attached that goes down
> the side of the wall and has a thread-holder at its bottom near the
> closet door, is the one that's not working.  It's attached to a brown
> thing that appears to be inserted into the white thing.  The lightbulb
> is screwed into the bottom of the brown thing.  The sides of the brown
> thing have outlets where things can be plugged in.  Or at least one side
> does.  I don't think I looked at the other side.  So I think the problem
> has been solved.  All I need to do is snip off the long, threaded string
> that has been the off/on string ever since I moved here and add an
> extension to the short chain that's up higher and use it for turning the
> light off and on.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


... How many Wordslers does it take to change a lightbulb?


BrP




Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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steph said:
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:44:01AM -0800, Janet Hardy wrote:
> = >Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = >>  Wouldn't that depend on what the snacks consisted of?
> = >
> = >See earlier reply to Karen. Some things just do not seem snackable (to
> = >me). Stewed tomatoes, for instance, are not something that I'd carry
> = >around my house to snack on (and get moths in the rug).
> =
> = Do you like V-8 juice? Jay, who doesn't ordinarily snack on
>
> I'm thinking something more like instant hot chocolate.

Made with half-and-half.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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> =
> = <g> A friend of mine, in the midst of a very dry spell, once proposed
> = the idea of a Murphy Breast, which you could pull down out of the
> = wall to fondle when you felt the need. I think we're onto something
> = here.
> =
> = Janet
>
> Ah, purrhaps that's why I have a Murphy cat.  He certainly
> appreciates being fondled when I feel the need.

I think it's the other way around with my cat.  I'm the Murphy human that she takes
down when she needs to snuggle but definitely folds up when not needed.


BrP

I feel so used.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anne Toal
>Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:58 PM
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>
>
>>Also companies have added catalog sections with plus size
>stuff. Land's End
>>is a good example.
>
>Question, Alec: Is Land's End truly sized larger, or it is all
>just pretty pictures of un-fat models wearing Size 14 Muu-muus? In other
>words, can you expect it to actually fit if you order your size by mail, or

>should you go up one or 2 to fit?
>
>-a
>
\

Anne,

Anything I order mail order except shoes, I add a size. Fewer returns.

I can only speak for the catalog we got in the mail. They have a special
plus size catalog we got. Must have bought Lane Bryant's mailing list. Below
from their website. Check it out. I am impressed at the stuff we have
ordered.

"We're delighted to present our best-ever assortment of Lands' End clothing
expertly proportioned to fit and flatter women size 18W-26W. Hundreds of
popular styles are yours - including dozens of new pieces for fall/winter
2002 - all in one easy-to-use online store. Along with style and reassuring
quality, you'll find rich natural fibers, beautiful colors and unsurpassed
value. Everything you've been looking for is right here waiting for you."

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At 03:10 PM 1/7/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>So this is the highest anyone has been, I think.
>
>Well my game has ended during level 26 with a final score of
>2,257,390 and a ranking of Super Dictionarian....

That's what I figured, i.e., he kept the connection overnight, etc.  I had
a couple of games at 800,000 or more that I shut down because I didn't want
to leave the machine on all night---not that I might have reached 2
million-plus anyhow.  His post pretty much confirms that SD is the top rank.

cwv

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02003-01-07 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> real woman would be fighting words.
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

Enough with the joke accounts, Ken!

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>You know, it might be better for me to will Spencer to Janet instead of
>to Alyce.  It occurs to me that Spencer is a good bit younger and
>rompier than Spike and might need more exercise than he could get
>there.  But then he is not a wanderer -- he could go out and romp alone
>probably.  Still, I was thinking about how much he would love to go
>strolling with Janet and Amy, visiting banks and POs.  And he can look
>fierce, making Janet and Amy feel comfortable about McArthur Park.

Eeek.

Janet

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02003-01-07 | Adam Hartfield <adamh1@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> I will not do that, however, as that will open the door for virus
> transmission and God knows what else. If people want to send pictures,
> they should advertise their availability with a time limit for responses
> and then backchannel them.

Or they can send them to a special words-l.org address, which will
put them up somewhere on the web site and inform the list of the
URL.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> has been solved.  All I need to do is snip off the long, threaded string
> that has been the off/on string ever since I moved here and add an
> extension to the short chain that's up higher and use it for turning the
> light off and on.

Yes!  And I didn't even have to go way out to Wmart to buy a chain.  I
was able to remove some segments from other closets and had just barely
enough connectors to connect enough of them to make the chain long
enough.  Neat!  And that nasty string is now in the garbage.  And the
light works fine now that its turnonneroffer is the chain that goes into
the white thing at the top instead of the lower brown thing.  Life is
good.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> If the need should arise, and I pray it does not, and if I am ambulatory
> and breathing, I shall be happy to care for Spencer. I appreciate the
> gesture and your trust in me.

I know he would be happy there.  He would take to you instantly -- also
to Spike.  And maybe by the time I die he will need less exercise.  Even
so, though, he really could be allowed out alone.  His beagle wandering
gene must have been recessive.  And he doesn't seem to mind the
elements, whatever they are.  He does heat, cold, rain, snow, whatever
with seeming contentment.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:

> ... How many Wordslers does it take to change a lightbulb?

But it was the turneronneroffer, not the bulb.  The bulb is fine.  I do
wonder why it is inserted into that brown thing (which does have outlets
on both sides of it, btw).  Who in the world would want to plug
something into one of those side outlets up there at the storage
closet's ceiling?

--
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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 05:23:26AM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= 02003-01-07 | steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> writes:
= > 2) people who ask these well-considered and to-the-point
= > questions are sometimes quite prejudiced.
=
= Hm, "may be quite prejudiced" ... yeah, I'll say that's a very
= sensible thing to remember about people! Don't you think that
= as a general rule, "prejudice" is antithetical to taking pains
= to know the current reality of someone's life?
=

You're reading what I wrote pretty harshly.  There's a lot of
ground between finding out what someone is so you can hate them
and finding out what someone is so you can get to know them
better, and I'm just not being quite as generous as you are.

= > not knowing and not asking is protection.
=
= Yes, let's never talk until something appallingly hurtful
= happens between the two of you. That's the proven formula
= which has succeeded every time ...
=

I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.  If I know I have
problems dealing with X, then why would I want to talk with you
about it?

= > Also, some people really care where they stand with you on
= > something like this.  I figure if there's baggage here, it'll
= > come out all by itself. This is dangerous turf.
=
= So could you estimate the percentage of wildly unreasonable
= people like this? Because I have found it's close to zero.
= Or should we just hole up in our safe small circle to avoid
= some probable one-in-a-zillion unpleasantness? If you want
= to call that prudence do so, I call it social ineptitude.
=

Ok.  Probably a good call.  What I was thinking here was that you
are becoming American and I am becoming Dutch, and that things
really do seem to work that way here.  It seem like most everyone
is that way here.

= > 3) A friend of mine was just in Belfast.  He went with the
= > attitude that being a Jew would be found to be neutral.  He
= > discovered that it made him nobody's friend.
=
= What about it? Did he strut around in an all-knowing way, having
= figured out "how to be neutral in a war-torn area", or something?
= (There is a variety of immigrants here who have absurdly wrong
= prefab models of American society too, and the effect is the
= same, nobody is their friend.)

No.  Everyone he talked to asked him, "Are you a Protestant or a
Catholic?".  No one was pleased with his answer, is all.  If
you're not one of us, you're one of them kind of thing.  He
thought it would be more of a "If you're not one of them" kinds
of things, but it wasn't.

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Janet Hardy wrote:

> >strolling with Janet and Amy, visiting banks and POs.  And he can look
> >fierce, making Janet and Amy feel comfortable about McArthur Park.
>
> Eeek.

Oh dear.  I won't tell Spencer your reaction.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> You know, it might be better for me to will Spencer to Janet instead of
> to Alyce.

That is OK with me, if it is OK with Janet.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > You know, it might be better for me to will Spencer to Janet instead of
> > to Alyce.
>
> That is OK with me, if it is OK with Janet.

No, Spencer just told me definitively that he wants to live with you and
Spike.  He likes the sound of your house and your life.  And he likes
that you did not hate Spike for pulling you down that time and that
Spike has his own couch.  And he reminded me that the exercise thing
isn't important -- that it doesn't have to be outside, especially in a
two-story house -- that he can get plenty of exercise running up and
down the stairs.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> > ... How many Wordslers does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
> But it was the turneronneroffer, not the bulb.  The bulb is fine.  I do
> wonder why it is inserted into that brown thing (which does have outlets
> on both sides of it, btw).  Who in the world would want to plug
> something into one of those side outlets up there at the storage
> closet's ceiling?

Garages have these, too. For trouble lights, power tools, etc.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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steph said:
> Catholic?".  No one was pleased with his answer, is all.  If
> you're not one of us, you're one of them kind of thing.  He
> thought it would be more of a "If you're not one of them" kinds
> of things, but it wasn't.

How naive to expect otherwise!

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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I hadn't heard this either. Amazing how these things get
passed without any publicity. Must be the same mysterious
agent that includes provisions for favored businesses.

On a related note, the Labor Department's going to stop
reporting monthly layoff stats. Ignorance is bliss!

-rashmi

PS Sorry for not quoting Karen's post. I'm on digest mode and
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PPS Karen, any news from your contact?



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02003-01-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
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Sorry about that, how does this post look? The problem word was
"cliché", I think ...

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02003-01-07 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Yes, and Austin is one of the fittest.
>
> But their algorithm was weird, from what I've heard. They added
> up gyms and green spaces and medical facilities and divided by
> the number of people--something like that.

Sounds like a measure for "boring".

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On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes me;
> he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own blog (a
> thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot and musings on
> de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
> http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.

Hi, Jennifer, welcome to the list.  I'm interested in your blog though I
don't think I've read a single thing you mention.  I'm going to read
through all of it - I liked the story about the women building their own
world before they met.

I never heard "dumb as a painter" before.  Is it a well known cliche or
just some intramural insult?

Ann

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02003-01-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> 19:55 06.01.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
> >02003-01-06 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> >> bonniev wrote:
> >> >
> >> > If a child is born in 2003, it would be the class of what when it graduates
> >> > from Notre Dame University?
> >>
> >> Maybe 2024 and maybe not. Would depend on when the child was allowed to
> >> start first grade (some states have weird laws about this) and whether
> >> the child advanced normally, not skipping and not going back.
> >
> >What's this about Notre Dame? I am getting a very unpleasant image
> >of a kid who e.g. gets an astonishing "fast track" to Max Planck
> >Institute, and the "family" says, NO. We don't do it that way.
> >You go to Notre Dame like your afghan says or I'll whoop your
> >ass ...
>
> Which Max Planck Institute are you thinking of?
>
> espen (whos wife goes to MPI in Nijmegen for research stays)

First of all, may I say this is a highly rich post which may
lead to disqualification? Anyway--I don't know which one I
am talking about now, because I thought there was only one.
Which I believe is in Heidelberg.

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Have you seen it?

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In a message dated 1/7/2003 1:27:03 PM, prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:
<< I think it's the other way around with my cat.  I'm the Murphy human that
she takes
down when she needs to snuggle but definitely folds up when not needed.
 >>

Mine too. She just got back from the vet, and doesn't seem the worse for
wear. She has to go back Friday for her checkup. She isn't allowed to lick
her stitches, but I'm not sure how to prevent that. Theo

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No, we did not train any terrorists.  That was a featured fact on their
website in during the months between my on-campus interview and my
actual arrival.  We are as terrorist-free as the next institution.

Jennifer Thompson
The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> I do know Buzz.  He's now Dean of the new College of Arts and
sciences, and
> thus >my< dean (which I originally mistyped as "dead").  We have a
> classic-car-buff bond.

Tell him hi for me.  Re typing "dead," I think I've told here before
about a colleague who hated the current dean and made two typos in two
different letters to him, one calling him Dead McGlone instead of Dean
McGlone, the other calling him Dean McGone.

> People here are very sensitive about the terrorist thing, I've
noticed.  I
> laugh, however, because I came here specifically to bring down late
> capitalism.

Wasn't E-R let off the hook pretty quickly and deemed innocent?  I can't
remember for sure now.  Just remember that it was mentioned a good bit
in the weeks immediately following 9/11/01.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I may be small, but I'm fast and I'm mean, and I got my degree from
Irvine where we hit hard and below the belt.

On the other hand, I am quite small, and I'm not sure I have time to
fight, what with the 4/4 teaching load and all.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
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[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anne Toal
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>Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>real woman would be fighting words.
>
>Jennifer Thompson
>The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
>georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

Ok, let's rumble!

Anne Toal
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In a message dated 1/7/2003 1:51:12 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Neat!  And that nasty string is now in the garbage.  And the
light works fine now that its turnonneroffer is the chain that goes into
the white thing at the top instead of the lower brown thing.  Life is
good.
 >>

I haven't seen lights with pullstrings in ages. Didn't think they existed
anymore. Even my closet lights have switches on the outside. Theo

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Do you doubt that there is such a funded chair at Embry-Riddle
Aeronautical University?  Maybe I should have said "J.L. Austin Chair of
Early Deconstruction."

Jennifer Thompson
The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
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[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
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02003-01-07 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> real woman would be fighting words.
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

Enough with the joke accounts, Ken!

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>
>>  >strolling with Janet and Amy, visiting banks and POs.  And he can look
>>  >fierce, making Janet and Amy feel comfortable about McArthur Park.
>  >
>  > Eeek.
>
>Oh dear.  I won't tell Spencer your reaction.

If he finds out, tell him not to take it personally. I'm having
enough trouble finding a petsitter for while I'm in Las Vegas this
weekend, and when Ben leaves for college in the fall it will become
an even bigger problem.

Janet

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>I got my degree from
>Irvine where we hit hard and below the belt.

My son Miles is in his senior year at Irvine, in the theater
department. He and his girlfriend Kristine are taking capoeira this
semester, so I guess they'll have the hitting-hard part down.

Did I already brag here about his honors thing? I've lost track of
which brags I'm bragging where.

Janet

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I'm glad you liked my blog.  Once you're read the whole thing (backwards
is best), you should at least feel like you're read Eliot.  I've also
been trying to force myself to provide links, something I notice my
tech-happy friends do to try to clinch an argument ("Look!  It says so
in The Economist!").

"Dumb as a painter" is a highly specialized insult that conceptual
artists use.  In a former life, I was married to a conceptual artist.
Our wedding involved an accordion player and a one-eyed defrocked
priest.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name
excapes me;
> he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own
blog (a
> thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot and
musings on
> de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
> http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.

Hi, Jennifer, welcome to the list.  I'm interested in your blog though I
don't think I've read a single thing you mention.  I'm going to read
through all of it - I liked the story about the women building their own
world before they met.

I never heard "dumb as a painter" before.  Is it a well known cliche or
just some intramural insult?

Ann

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Good for Miles.  It's a great school, and I miss it exquisitely.

Jennifer Thompson
The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
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>I got my degree from
>Irvine where we hit hard and below the belt.

My son Miles is in his senior year at Irvine, in the theater
department. He and his girlfriend Kristine are taking capoeira this
semester, so I guess they'll have the hitting-hard part down.

Did I already brag here about his honors thing? I've lost track of
which brags I'm bragging where.

Janet

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
> No, Spencer just told me definitively that he wants to live with you and
> Spike.

OK then. He can share the couch.

alyce

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Janet Hardy wrote:
>
> Did I already brag here about his honors thing? I've lost track of
> which brags I'm bragging where.

I don't recall this brag. But good for him.

alyce

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> "Dumb as a painter" is a highly specialized insult that conceptual
> artists use.

Looks like it has a history:
http://www.mohr-i.nl/content.phtml?191

Ann

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At 07:02 AM 01/07/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>HB,L!!!!!!!

Thanks to all who have expressed best wishes.

Larry

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>Or they can send them to a special words-l.org address, which will
>put them up somewhere on the web site and inform the list of the
>URL.

And what would that address be?  Or are you just pulling our legs?


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Alec D. Plotkin said:

> > >Sylvia Edwards said:
> > >> The lean and lanky folk may have to shop harder than the fluffy folk
> > >> because the plus size market is growing.
> > >
> > >The market may be growing, but I don't think it's reflected in the
> > >clothing stores.

> > Yes. At least in our area, there are many new plus size clothing stores.
>
> Not here.


Odd...  Austin folks must be leaner than Kansas City folks.  The
K-Marts, Wal-Marts, Jones, Penneys, Sears, etc. carry plus sizes in a
Woman's Department.


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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>Janet Hardy wrote:
>>
>>  Did I already brag here about his honors thing? I've lost track of
>  > which brags I'm bragging where.
>
>I don't recall this brag. But good for him.

Well, then: he's the first student ever admitted to the University's
new Honors Program in Theatrical Literature, Analysis and Criticism
(I think I have those terms right). A future dramaturg, I think.

Janet

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Beautiful.  Thanks for the link.  I'll spread it far and wide.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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> "Dumb as a painter" is a highly specialized insult that conceptual
> artists use.

Looks like it has a history:
http://www.mohr-i.nl/content.phtml?191

Ann

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02003-01-07 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> >Or they can send them to a special words-l.org address, which will
> >put them up somewhere on the web site and inform the list of the
> >URL.
>
> And what would that address be?  Or are you just pulling our legs?

TBD. Yeah, the address will be tbd@words-l.org. Not this month,
though--I am talking about the vast vision of a words-l future.

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What is the lifespan of an eel in the wild?  I was just reading about
the one who has been living in a bathtub in Germany for 33 years now.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Janet Hardy wrote:

>> Natalie Maynor wrote:
>>
>>>  Wouldn't that depend on what the snacks consisted of?
>>
>>
>> See earlier reply to Karen. Some things just do not seem snackable (to
>> me). Stewed tomatoes, for instance, are not something that I'd carry
>> around my house to snack on (and get moths in the rug).
>
>
> Do you like V-8 juice? Jay, who doesn't ordinarily snack on
> vegetables, keeps it around as a snack. Of course, it has virtually
> no calories, so it won't help you gain weight -- but it could help
> defray your worries about getting enough fruits & vegetables, and you
> can sip it while you snack.


        I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.  I
hate tomato juice.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Anne Toal wrote:

>> Also companies have added catalog sections with plus size stuff.
>> Land's End
>> is a good example.
>
>
> Question, Alec: Is Land's End truly sized larger, or it is all just pretty
> pictures of un-fat models wearing Size 14 Muu-muus? In other words, can you
> expect it to actually fit if you order your size by mail, or should you go
> up one or 2 to fit?
>


        My experience with LE is that their sizes run true, but
sometimes a little long.  I have one dress that I didn't
order as petite, and it drags the floor in my bare feet. I
just got my new coat and a skirt.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Rashmi Murthy said:
> I hadn't heard this either. Amazing how these things get
> passed without any publicity. Must be the same mysterious
> agent that includes provisions for favored businesses.

Yes.

> On a related note, the Labor Department's going to stop
> reporting monthly layoff stats. Ignorance is bliss!

Faugh.

I learned to day that I am literally one in a million--of those who
have exhausted 39 weeks of unemployment.

> PPS Karen, any news from your contact?

She asked me to call her about yet another project, but never phoned
me back when I left a message. I'll try to get her first thing
tomorrow morning.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Jennifer Thompson said:
> I may be small, but I'm fast and I'm mean, and I got my degree from
> Irvine where we hit hard and below the belt.
>
> On the other hand, I am quite small, and I'm not sure I have time to
> fight, what with the 4/4 teaching load and all.

How tall are you?

The 4/4 teaching load sucks, no two ways about it. BTDT, left the
profession...

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Theodora Groothof said:
> I haven't seen lights with pullstrings in ages. Didn't think they existed
> anymore. Even my closet lights have switches on the outside. Theo

My ceiling fans have pull lightswitches on them.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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02003-01-07 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> Have you seen it?
>
> http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp

Very nice ...

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Sylvia Edwards said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Alec D. Plotkin said:
>
> > > >Sylvia Edwards said:
> > > >> The lean and lanky folk may have to shop harder than the fluffy folk
> > > >> because the plus size market is growing.
> > > >
> > > >The market may be growing, but I don't think it's reflected in the
> > > >clothing stores.
>
> > > Yes. At least in our area, there are many new plus size clothing stores.
> >
> > Not here.
>
>
> Odd...  Austin folks must be leaner than Kansas City folks.  The
> K-Marts, Wal-Marts, Jones, Penneys, Sears, etc. carry plus sizes in a
> Woman's Department.

None of that is new--at least, not K-Mart or Walmart. Don't shop at
the others. There are only a couple of places that I can shop for good
work clothes, though I've had fair success at Ross Dress For Less. I
found a place that has petite women's clothes, which is a boon. (Well,
Nordstrom does, but I can't shop there now.)

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Janet Hardy wrote:
> >>
> >>  Did I already brag here about his honors thing? I've lost track of
> >  > which brags I'm bragging where.
> >
> >I don't recall this brag. But good for him.
>
> Well, then: he's the first student ever admitted to the University's
> new Honors Program in Theatrical Literature, Analysis and Criticism
> (I think I have those terms right). A future dramaturg, I think.

Woohoo!!!! I *am* impressed. It's a tough career, but so worth it
(from what I hear).

Karen
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Rita Chapman said:
>         I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.  I
> hate tomato juice.

I looooove tomato juice, but I hate V-8. I hate celery.

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Do a search in the archives (http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/,
Words-L is at the end) for Bookrat, and you will see that he has a
habit of using academic sigs.

Jennifer Thompson said:
> Do you doubt that there is such a funded chair at Embry-Riddle
> Aeronautical University?  Maybe I should have said "J.L. Austin Chair of
> Early Deconstruction."
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: English Language Discussion Group
> [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:43 PM
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>
> 02003-01-07 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> > Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> > healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> > real woman would be fighting words.
> >
> > Jennifer Thompson
> > The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> > georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
>
> Enough with the joke accounts, Ken!
>

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-07 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > Have you seen it?
> >
> > http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp
>
> Very nice ...

I think the concept is interesting, but the implementation sucks.

Karen
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Jennifer Thompson wrote:


> I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes me;
> he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own blog (a
> thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot and musings on
> de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
> http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.


Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?




--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.  I
>>hate tomato juice.
>>
>
> I looooove tomato juice, but I hate V-8. I hate celery.


        Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
have a passionate affair with vitamins.




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Rita Chapman said:
>         Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
> have a passionate affair with vitamins.

What about wheat grass juice? Or cabbage juice?

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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02003-01-07 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > 02003-01-07 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > Have you seen it?
> > >
> > > http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp
> >
> > Very nice ...
>
> I think the concept is interesting, but the implementation sucks.

You also hate celery.

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02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> >I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes
> >me; he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own
> >blog (a thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot
> >and musings on de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
> >http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
>
> Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
> know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?

Know thyself, Rita.

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>  and I miss it exquisitely.

Is that what they call "poetic language?"

-aht

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Anne Toal wrote:

>> and I miss it exquisitely.
>>
>
> Is that what they call "poetic language?"


        That's called spending too much time with the romantics.




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes
>>>me; he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own
>>>blog (a thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot
>>>and musings on de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
>>>http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
>>>
>>Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
>>know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?
>>
>
> Know thyself, Rita.


        But I lead an unexamined life.




--
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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
>>have a passionate affair with vitamins.
>>
>
> What about wheat grass juice? Or cabbage juice?


        That sounds exquisitely gross.




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02003-01-07 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Rita Chapman said:
> >      I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.
> > I hate tomato juice.
>
> I looooove tomato juice, but I hate V-8. I hate celery.

I have just retrieved from my memory the entire contents of
the commentary by the staff members of "The View" on some
old-fart James Bond movie with the Sam Donaldson-looking
(*pant* *pant*) guy. Discussion during intermission 1:

B Walters, respected journalist: So, what do you think,
  is a diamond really a girl's best friend?
Female 1: Sure.
Female 2: No.
Female 3: Absolutely!
Female 4: Hell, no!
Female 5: Depends.

Discussion during intermission 2:

B Walters, respected journalist: You see Miss something
or the other ... I mean do you think James Bond would be
a good husband?

Female 1: Hell, no.
Female 2: Sure, with a bit of adjustment.
Female 3: Yes, he would.
Female 4: Good boyfriend, but not a good husband.
Female 5: I agree.

THE END

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>Well, then: he's the first student ever admitted to the University's
new Honors Program in Theatrical Literature, Analysis and Criticism
(I think I have those terms right). A future dramaturg, I think.

I should think so too/I should think so, too.

Cheers!

AS

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02003-01-07 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > 02003-01-07 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > Tushar Samant said:
> > > > 02003-01-07 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
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> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp
> > > >
> > > > Very nice ...
> > >
> > > I think the concept is interesting, but the implementation sucks.
> >
> > You also hate celery.
>
> ALL OF THIS IS TRUE!!! You know me so well, my darling.

Lame save ...

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(re: V-8)

>I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.  I
hate tomato juice.

"They" do.

AS

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-07 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > 02003-01-07 | "Paul R. Barfoot" <prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes:
> > > > Have you seen it?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp
> > >
> > > Very nice ...
> >
> > I think the concept is interesting, but the implementation sucks.
>
> You also hate celery.

ALL OF THIS IS TRUE!!! You know me so well, my darling.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >>Jennifer Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >>>I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes
> >>>me; he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own
> >>>blog (a thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot
> >>>and musings on de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
> >>>http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
> >>>
> >>Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
> >>know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?
> >
> >Know thyself, Rita.
>
>        But I lead an unexamined life.

How much misdirected intellectual fire results from just such laziness?
I spit me of this muddle over feelings vs emotions. Good thing Hegel's
not alive to be dismayed ...

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>Good thing Hegel's
not alive to be dismayed ...

Oh, me! Oh, my!

Ain't it the truth.

AS <sigh of relief>

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>Myles helped to make it a words-l obsession , IIRC.
>
>

Better yours than mine.


> >>
>
>And then he left.


Along with others.


>No, he was around for a long time after that.

Well, true.

>We are going to see him on
the 19th of this month.  He has been busy having a life and spending less
time on the computer he said.  It's healthier for him.

Second!

Do send my regards. Quite a thrill to catch him in the in-flight mag.

AS (following his good example, for the most part)

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02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Anne Toal wrote:
>
> >>and I miss it exquisitely.
> >>
> >
> >Is that what they call "poetic language?"
>
> That's called spending too much time with the romantics.

Your non-indirectional statement is SO not like a Gerhard
Richter painting. Suck on cabbage juice!

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>The 4/4 teaching load sucks, no two ways about it. BTDT, left the
>profession...


>Karen
>Department of Cosmic Secrets

Process of elimination, wot?

You're way cuter now showing off for the new ch*ck.

AS

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02003-01-07 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >Good thing Hegel's not alive to be dismayed ...
>
> Oh, me! Oh, my!
>
> Ain't it the truth.
>
> AS <sigh of relief>

Interesting observation ... I am unsure as to the nature of
the indirection in it; to wit, whether it projects on the
emotional axis a shade stronger than ramifies through a
dialectic with self-consciously imposed formal contraints.
Did you come to your conclusion in the kitchen or from bi-
directional communication with the in-flight mag? Please do
not hesitate to reply, however tangentially and extravagantly.

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>         I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.  I
> hate tomato juice.

Clamato? (which I love, btw)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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This is the horrid part.  I'm 5'6".  I am actually actively trying to
gain weight.  My solution (for now) consists of Ovaltine in whole milk
and asking the department secretaries to give me any candy they get that
they don't want to have around for grazing.  We'll see.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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Jennifer Thompson said:
> I may be small, but I'm fast and I'm mean, and I got my degree from
> Irvine where we hit hard and below the belt.
>
> On the other hand, I am quite small, and I'm not sure I have time to
> fight, what with the 4/4 teaching load and all.

How tall are you?

The 4/4 teaching load sucks, no two ways about it. BTDT, left the
profession...

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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So glad I'm not the only one.  I briefly dated the Walter Matherly Chair
of Economics at Florida State, and I thought the idea of a funded chair
in my field (comparative literature) would be hilarious.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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Do a search in the archives (http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/,
Words-L is at the end) for Bookrat, and you will see that he has a
habit of using academic sigs.

Jennifer Thompson said:
> Do you doubt that there is such a funded chair at Embry-Riddle
> Aeronautical University?  Maybe I should have said "J.L. Austin Chair
of
> Early Deconstruction."
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: English Language Discussion Group
> [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tushar Samant
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:43 PM
> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>
> 02003-01-07 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> > Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
> > healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
> > real woman would be fighting words.
> >
> > Jennifer Thompson
> > The Paul de Man Chair of Delphic Polemics
> > georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
>
> Enough with the joke accounts, Ken!
>

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Oh, Christ, no.  Remember, I was trained as a critic before I became a
poet.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita

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If you can define literary language in an email, I hereby nominate you
for a MacArthur Award.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
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>  and I miss it exquisitely.

Is that what they call "poetic language?"

-aht

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> This is the horrid part.  I'm 5'6".  I am actually actively trying to
> gain weight.

Ensure Plus (not plain Ensure, it must be Plus.) 350 calories. It is my
mantra and cocktail.

alyce


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Rita Chapman said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Rita Chapman said:
> >
> >>        Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
> >>have a passionate affair with vitamins.
> >>
> >
> > What about wheat grass juice? Or cabbage juice?
>
>
>         That sounds exquisitely gross.

LOL. Sounds better to me than carrot juice!

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Amy Burns Short said:
> >The 4/4 teaching load sucks, no two ways about it. BTDT, left the
> >profession...
>
>
> >Karen
> >Department of Cosmic Secrets
>
> Process of elimination, wot?

Darwinian? Sure. I'm much happier without the 4/4.

> You're way cuter now showing off for the new ch*ck.

At least I'm cute.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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        You poor dear.  Bless your heart.

Jennifer Thompson wrote:

> Oh, Christ, no.  Remember, I was trained as a critic before I became a
> poet.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Michel Foucault Chair
> of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
>
> Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
> know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>


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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Anne Toal wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>and I miss it exquisitely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Is that what they call "poetic language?"
>>>
>>That's called spending too much time with the romantics.
>>
>
> Your non-indirectional statement is SO not like a Gerhard
> Richter painting. Suck on cabbage juice!


        May you stew for six eternities in the boiling V8 juice that
is your jealousy of my squid virtuosity.  Hater. *Sob*.




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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes
>>>>>me; he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own
>>>>>blog (a thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot
>>>>>and musings on de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
>>>>>http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
>>>>know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?
>>>>
>>>Know thyself, Rita.
>>>
>>       But I lead an unexamined life.
>>
>
> How much misdirected intellectual fire results from just such laziness?
> I spit me of this muddle over feelings vs emotions. Good thing Hegel's
> not alive to be dismayed ...


        I *live* for misdirected intellectual fire.




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Amy Burns Short wrote:

> (re: V-8)
>
>
>>I wish they made it in some other flavor besides tomato.  I
>>
> hate tomato juice.
>
> "They" do.


        Other than the "Splash" brand, which is too sweet and high in
calories, I haven't seen another flavor at Schnucks.  Should
I be combing the other grocery store chains for a better flavor?




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02003-01-07 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> Oh, Christ, no.  Remember, I was trained as a critic before I became a
> poet.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

There is no need to oh-christ this ... "Rita Chapman" is in fact
the biggest proponent of not workshopping a published poem. There
can be no disagreement with you. It is impossible.

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02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> May you stew for six eternities in the boiling V8 juice that
> is your jealousy of my squid virtuosity.  Hater. *Sob*.

I like boiling V8 juice. Perhaps you didn't realize it, but it's
a big component of your favorite drink, the Tuna Bloody Mary.

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Well, I did enjoy our creampuff season.  Now that the real one is here,
it's downhill.  <sigh>.
--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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A very strange coincidence: my co-author Dossie has recently been
contacted by an author named Jennifer Thompson to be interviewed for
a book about paganism, ritual and BDSM. Not you, Jennifer, I take it,
since this Jennifer Thompson seems to be in Massachusetts.

Janet

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In a message dated 01/07/2003 9:20:52 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Do you have a will?
>
> We've discussed this before.  Yes.  It's one hand-written sentence.

"Notify the list!"?


>>

Wasn't there a Words-L Emergency List at one point, a list of
people to contact if a list regular disappeared?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 01/07/2003 11:07:21 AM Central Standard Time,
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<<
Land's End
is a good example.

>>

Has Land's End started listing the Sears Card in its catalog?

Evelyn Duncan
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"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 01/07/2003 3:44:51 PM Central Standard Time,
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<<
I haven't seen lights with pullstrings in ages. Didn't think they existed
anymore.
>>

Both Mom's and my closet lights have pullstrings.  We also have
a manual-defrost refrigerator.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 01/07/2003 6:41:17 PM Central Standard Time,
rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<
        Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
have a passionate affair with vitamins.

>>

Have you tried one of those juicers, such as the Juiceman?

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

Who has developed a passion for Poore Brothers' Salt-and-Vinegar
Potato Chips.

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>In a message dated 01/07/2003 6:41:17 PM Central Standard Time,
>rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
>
><<
>         Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
>have a passionate affair with vitamins.
>
>>>
>
>Have you tried one of those juicers, such as the Juiceman?

There used to be a stand in downtown Sacramento called Juicy Lucy's,
that made beautiful parfaits of multilayered, multicolored vegetable
juices. I never tried one -- I'm not generally a big vegetable-juce
fan -- but they looked quite tasty.

Janet

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X-Tushar-Samat: Your non-indirectional statement is SO not like a Gerhard
                Richter painting
X-Clyde-Voigtlander: If it weren't for the subversives therein,
                     no bureaucracy would ever work
X-Edward-Abbey: History demonstrates that personal liberty is a rare and
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>Hi, all.  I just joined this list.  I'll have you know that I'm a
>healthy adult and a size 0.  And anything about my being less than a
>real woman would be fighting words.
>
>Jennifer Thompson

Tushar wants to know: are you CUTE?

I want to know how many egg slots your refrigerator has, assuming, of
course, that it has egg slots.  I also want to know if you've ever scuba
dived off the beaches of Tucumcari.

Ken Miller
Director of Phatic Drivel
Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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In a message dated 1/7/2003 7:29:04 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Ensure Plus (not plain Ensure, it must be Plus.) 350 calories. It is my
mantra and cocktail.
 >>
I've tried that too. It's ok, but I couldn't drink it on a daily basis.
Theo

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>She's a published poet, Tushar !   Fall in love !
>
>Welcome, Jennifer.
>
>
>    --bonniev

Hold on a second.  We don't know whether or not she's seen the maundering
acephalous avian.

And has her kernel been cleansed?

Ken Miller
First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber

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Bookrat said:
> And has her kernel been cleansed?

Who's in charge of *this*?

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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>So, Boo, you have competition. But I still can't see how it's done.
>
>alyce

The most important thing is not to get bored.  As G has remarked, the game
action is pretty blah, and, apart from the bonus words, you pretty much
wind up doing the same thing over and over for several hours.

The other important thing is to nail as many bonus words as you can as
early as you can.  The value of the bonus words increases exponentially, up
to a cap of 50,000 points; meanwhile, the length of the bonus words depends
solely on the the level.  So, with some luck early on, you might be earning
50,000 points for a single three-point word; contrariwise, you might find
yourself earning only 10,000 points for a five-letter word if you're slow
off the block.

The other other important thing is to manage your "unplayable" tiles and
situations.  As with the famous truism, "one pees when one can and not when
one must", one needs to get rid of those U's and V's and I's when one can,
especially since unplayable letters tend to flocculate.

There is an enormous amount of strategy involved, and as G has remarked or
come close to remarking, from a theoretical point of view, it's a pretty
interesting game.  Like chess, you have to be able to see at least three or
four moves ahead, and like poker, you have to evaluate both possibility and
probability.  You have to be able to plan a four-turn maneuver to line up a
two-gold-three-green-seven-letter word, and then have enough grit to throw
your wonderful plan in the dumpster when you get an awkward tile in the
upper-right-hand corner on the third turn.

I myself have vowed not to fire up the game ever again, and I've sometimes
vowed this as many as six impossible times before breakfast.

Ken Miller
Ludological Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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>You know, it might be better for me to will Spencer to Janet instead of
>to Alyce.  It occurs to me that Spencer is a good bit younger and
>rompier than Spike and might need more exercise than he could get
>there.  But then he is not a wanderer -- he could go out and romp alone
>probably.  Still, I was thinking about how much he would love to go
>strolling with Janet and Amy, visiting banks and POs.  And he can look
>fierce, making Janet and Amy feel comfortable about McArthur Park.
>
>--
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

You might also will Spencer to Hope.  I don't know if Bonehead is still
among the living (it's been several years), but if he is he would probably
enjoy the company.  And if Hope is still in the same place she was several
years ago, she also lives in a good neighborhood for romping.

Ken Miller
Department of Canine Domicility

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>A very strange coincidence: my co-author Dossie has recently been
>contacted by an author named Jennifer Thompson to be interviewed for
>a book about paganism, ritual and BDSM. Not you, Jennifer, I take it,
>since this Jennifer Thompson seems to be in Massachusetts.
>
>Janet

But the Jennifer Thompson we now have the honor of addressing did indeed
write a poem titled "From A Slut of Long Standing", viewable at

http://nasty.cx/archives/000417.html

(Jennifer, Janet is the co-author (as "Catherine A. Liszt", and with the
above-mentioned Dossie) and publisher of a book titled _The Ethical Slut_.)

(It's a tangled six degrees, no matter how one looks at it.)

Ken Miller
Coincidental Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:05:49PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= 02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
= > May you stew for six eternities in the boiling V8 juice that
= > is your jealousy of my squid virtuosity.  Hater. *Sob*.
=
= I like boiling V8 juice. Perhaps you didn't realize it, but it's
= a big component of your favorite drink, the Tuna Bloody Mary.


aAARGH.  You've ruined the sweet aftertaste of my special, not
often found Cranberry Classic Juice Drink.  Away with your
fishyness.

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>> And has her kernel been cleansed?
>
>Who's in charge of *this*?
>
>Karen

The Prime Meeber, of course.  Your acrospire is in peril of remaining
dormant forever unless you have joined the Cleansed.

Ken Miller
First Acolyte of the Fifth Third Church of Meeber

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>I just have to ask....

>... How many Wordslers does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
>
>BrP

We discussed this back in 1991.

Ken Miller
Department of Canonical Answers
Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:39:26PM -0800, Bookrat wrote:
= >> And has her kernel been cleansed?
= >
= >Who's in charge of *this*?
= >
= >Karen
=
= The Prime Meeber, of course.  Your acrospire is in peril of remaining
= dormant forever unless you have joined the Cleansed.
=

Where is the Prim Meeber, anyway?

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At 11:37 PM -0800 1/7/03, steph wrote:
>Where is the Prim Meeber, anyway?

The Prim Meeber is undoubtedly tied up polishing his 17th-century tea tray
collection, or delicately hemming the lace cuffs of his favorite shirt.

The Prime Meeber, on the other hand, might be surfing off the beaches of
Tucumcari.  Or maybe he's finding compadres in the old Sierra Madres.
Perhaps, having succumbed to the siren lure of JTF's CNLD, he has spirited
her off to the land of the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Ken Miller
Gilbert G. Smith School of Diegesis

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At lest I'm not alone in loving misdirected intellectual fire.  What
would we talk about without it?

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rita Chapman
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>>>
>>>>Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name
excapes
>>>>>me; he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my
own
>>>>>blog (a thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of
Eliot
>>>>>and musings on de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"),
see
>>>>>http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
>>>>know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?
>>>>
>>>Know thyself, Rita.
>>>
>>       But I lead an unexamined life.
>>
>
> How much misdirected intellectual fire results from just such
laziness?
> I spit me of this muddle over feelings vs emotions. Good thing Hegel's
> not alive to be dismayed ...


        I *live* for misdirected intellectual fire.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita

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Again, there are so many of us.  I'm seriously thinking of changing my
first name to Predrag or Vlade.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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A very strange coincidence: my co-author Dossie has recently been
contacted by an author named Jennifer Thompson to be interviewed for
a book about paganism, ritual and BDSM. Not you, Jennifer, I take it,
since this Jennifer Thompson seems to be in Massachusetts.

Janet

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I >am< the slut in the title.  A copy's also available on my personal
website, so I have no deniability there.

I've always admired the phrase "ethical slut," though I've never read
the book.  I was afraid I'd have to change my ways.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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>A very strange coincidence: my co-author Dossie has recently been
>contacted by an author named Jennifer Thompson to be interviewed for
>a book about paganism, ritual and BDSM. Not you, Jennifer, I take it,
>since this Jennifer Thompson seems to be in Massachusetts.
>
>Janet

But the Jennifer Thompson we now have the honor of addressing did indeed
write a poem titled "From A Slut of Long Standing", viewable at

http://nasty.cx/archives/000417.html

(Jennifer, Janet is the co-author (as "Catherine A. Liszt", and with the
above-mentioned Dossie) and publisher of a book titled _The Ethical
Slut_.)

(It's a tangled six degrees, no matter how one looks at it.)

Ken Miller
Coincidental Correspondent
The Lostin Times

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I have been swimming this morning so I came late (around 11) on a tram past the harbour, and it was beautifull! There is ice in the fjord and some open water. Cold but pretty. For those of you who are awake for some time during the first 3-4 hours can look at

http://oslocam.com/

which I am sorry only gives a little glimpse of the harbour. The camera I have mentioned earlier showing the main/parade street in Oslo is better but there there is no fjord or harbour at all:

http://www.oslo-energi.no/kamera/

Those with interest in ski jumping may look at:

http://www.skiforeningen.no/imgshow.cgi?list=1&max=10&icons=1&kat=camjump&sort=ddate

But anyway, it is cold and pretty outside here now.

Espen

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10:42 07.01.2003 -0600 skrev Sylvia Edwards:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>>
>> Inspired by Sly I have organized a few photos of the children in Bergen:
>
>More... more.... more    Please
>
>What lovely babies....

Thank you! More will be coming when I have developed the film I have in my camera (from the end of november).

Espen

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Bookrat wrote:

> You might also will Spencer to Hope.  I don't know if Bonehead is still
> among the living (it's been several years), but if he is he would probably
> enjoy the company.  And if Hope is still in the same place she was several
> years ago, she also lives in a good neighborhood for romping.

Hope has been absent too much from the list to be in the running here.
And Spencer has spoken firmly now.  He thinks life with Alyce and Spike
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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> I have been swimming this morning so I came late (around 11) on a tram past the harbour, and it was beautifull! There is ice in the fjord and some open water. Cold but pretty. For those of you who are awake for some time during the first 3-4 hours can look at
>
> http://oslocam.com/
>
> which I am sorry only gives a little glimpse of the harbour.

I'm disappointed!  I was hoping it would show you there.  But I guess if
you stayed on the tram, you wouldn't be there, would you.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> >What lovely babies....
>
> Thank you! More will be coming when I have developed the film I have in my camera

So that's where babies come from.

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And it arrived here without problems now. The charset=iso-8859-1 seems to have fixed it for me. I am using Eudora which I like, but it is still not Unicode-compatible and likes to be told how to use 8-bit encodings it receives.

Espen

15:11 07.01.2003 -0600 skrev Tushar Samant:
>02003-01-07 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
>> Oops: this is the problem line:
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>Sorry about that, how does this post look? The problem word was
>"cliché", I think ...

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05:37 08.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> >What lovely babies....
>>
>> Thank you! More will be coming when I have developed the film I have in my camera
>
>So that's where babies come from.

At least the babies you see on the web-pages.

Espen

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-07 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>May you stew for six eternities in the boiling V8 juice that
>>is your jealousy of my squid virtuosity.  Hater. *Sob*.
>>
>
> I like boiling V8 juice. Perhaps you didn't realize it, but it's
> a big component of your favorite drink, the Tuna Bloody Mary.


        "I don't ask for much, I only want Tush, but you know it
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Evelyn Duncan wrote:

> In a message dated 01/07/2003 6:41:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:
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> <<
>         Yup.  Double whammy.  Maybe I'll try carrot juice.  I need to
> have a passionate affair with vitamins.
>
>
>
> Have you tried one of those juicers, such as the Juiceman?


        Too much of a production.  I want a can or bottle of
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On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:51:25AM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
= I have been swimming this morning so I came late (around 11) on a tram past the harbour, and it was beautifull! There is ice in the fjord and some open water. Cold but pretty. For those of you who are awake for some time during the first 3-4 hours can look at
=
= http://oslocam.com/
=

We too are having a beautiful day.  There was snow on the ground
this morning (for the first time).  The sun is shining brightly,
but as usual we have the shades closed because otherwise people
can't see their monitors!

http://www.amsterdam-webcams.com/Detailed/335.html

This cam is a short walk from my house.  The tower is the same as
in this picture.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg

The greenery by the hanging streetlamp and the roof with the hook
in the foreground is my house.

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13:19 08.01.2003 +0100 skrev steph:
>This cam is a short walk from my house.  The tower is the same as
>in this picture.
>
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg
>
>The greenery by the hanging streetlamp and the roof with the hook
>in the foreground is my house.

This looks great!

Espen

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> >http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg
> >
> >The greenery by the hanging streetlamp and the roof with the hook
> >in the foreground is my house.
>
>This looks great!
>Espen

Yes.  What is that greenery?  And what is it growing out of?


    --bonniev

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At 09:53 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, ken wrote:


>The most important thing is not to get bored.

ayeh.

>The other other important thing is to manage your "unplayable" tiles and
>situations.  As with the famous truism, "one pees when one can and not when
>one must", one needs to get rid of those U's and V's and I's when one can,
>especially since unplayable letters tend to flocculate.

definitely


>There is an enormous amount of strategy involved, and as G has remarked or
>come close to remarking, from a theoretical point of view, it's a pretty
>interesting game.  Like chess, you have to be able to see at least three or
>four moves ahead, and like poker, you have to evaluate both possibility and
>probability.  You have to be able to plan a four-turn maneuver to line up a
>two-gold-three-green-seven-letter word, and then have enough grit to throw
>your wonderful plan in the dumpster when you get an awkward tile i

To this I would add that you also have to have the grit to allow a red tile
to drop well down the column in order not to screw up the mid-board
distribution you like.

cwv

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> >I just have to ask....
>
> >... How many Wordslers does it take to change a lightbulb?
> >
> >
> >BrP
>
> We discussed this back in 1991.
>
> Ken Miller
> Department of Canonical Answers
> Bernard Chien Perro Memorial Institute for Words-L Studies

I must have been in Bulgaria.


BrP

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> My dad has just been
> diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
> spreading to other lymph nodes.

Sorry to hear that, Rita.

My Father has got cancer in lymph nodes, too -- for several years
already. Having had good health for all his life he suddenly got several
bad diseases, and had several surgery ops on his wrong side of sixties.
Then it was found out that the principal reason for all these troubles
might have been lymph cancer.

After coming out several times from his dangerous states (with dialysis,
breathing apparatus, etc.) he was said he was going to have chemo. He
never got it, though, and actually we still do not know what was the
reason of his doctor's counterdecision. He took several kinds of
medicines, till at last he had to take only prednisolone. The cancer is
kept under control, so to say. He feels good, or at least he says so,
only he needs sleep at least ten hours in a day and night which he
thinks is too much. He has regained much of his strength and seems
almost as fit as ever, with all his 74 years. So, I cannot say, how well
this kind of cancer is curable, but surely rather a good quality of life
for many years can be gained with good treatment.

Kristin

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Espen Ore wrote:

> This morning we were down to -16 C and tomorrow -20 is expected.

The day you wrote it the respective numbers here were -25 and -33. :) We got it.

Yesterday evening it was just "warm": -18C, and it *felt* warm and soft. And more snow started coming down. There was snow till one's knees already before it. Well, let's see.

> I am adding new layers of clothing every day

Today I have roughly 2 layers less than yesterday.

> Too cold for skiing, for me at least.

I do not know whether I remember wrong or what: could it be that in my teens I went out skiing for a whole long day when there was about -25C? I wouldn't do that now.

Kristin

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16:05 08.01.2003 +0200 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>I do not know whether I remember wrong or what: could it be that in my teens I went out skiing for a whole long day when there was about -25C? I wouldn't do that now.

Yes, I did things like that before I was 30. Then I moved to Bergen, and there the climate is comparable with Scotland, so now it is strange (but pretty) to be back in a <real> winter - even if it is warmer than in Estland.

Espen

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I sent a message to the listserv to receive words-l mail on Saturday,
but then I worked till night and though I read messages on that day,
without answering, I have many unread by now. Who could recommend me
which messages to delete and which are to be read inevitably? Oh :)

I already have deleted some messages with 'Iggles' in their subject
line, as they seemed to contain *only* sports.

It so happened that I didn't wish Doris a nice trip before Tuesday when
she was gone already.

I at least may say, welcome, Jennifer!

Kristin

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On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 07:45:12AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/view_westertoren_r.jpg
= > >
= > >The greenery by the hanging streetlamp and the roof with the hook
= > >in the foreground is my house.
= >
= >This looks great!
= >Espen
=
= Yes.  What is that greenery?  And what is it growing out of?
=

The darker green at the bottom is a row of shrubs that usually
form hedges (in other words, I can't remember).  They're in
ceramic pots on the very wide gutter held in with guy wires the
width of the trunk going over the pot.  The lighter green above it
is bamboo, and they're on the roof in two to three foot high
black plastic planters.  The last real storm we had, we pulled
the bamboo all in off the edge, but they still tipped over.  Now
in front of that this year we've planted seven or so blue plastic
planter tubs with all kinds of bulbs - tulips, brodiaea,
clematis, narcissus and lord knows what all else (well, it's
written down, but I bet now that we won't be able to find the
paper).

The only other picture I have of my roof is this one:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/roof_2002.jpg

That's the blue plastic tubs we made last summer and a view into
the stairs leading up to our living room.

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Espen Ore wrote:

> Yes, I did things like that before I was 30. Then I moved to Bergen, and there the climate is comparable with Scotland, so now it is strange (but pretty) to be back in a <real> winter - even if it is warmer than in Estland.

And to think there are again floods in West and Central Europe! The weather is *just* *strange*.

Kristin

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16:30 08.01.2003 +0200 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> Yes, I did things like that before I was 30. Then I moved to Bergen, and there the climate is comparable with Scotland, so now it is strange (but pretty) to be back in a <real> winter - even if it is warmer than in Estland.
>
>And to think there are again floods in West and Central Europe! The weather is *just* *strange*.

And the bears in northern Italy might wake up some months early.

Espen

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  Some things just do not seem snackable (to
> me). Stewed tomatoes, for instance, are not something that I'd carry
> around my house to snack on (and get moths in the rug).

lol! Yes, I read a recent message of yours where you mentioned the
imaginable connection between carrying food around house and moths in the
rug. But, though not true, this way of thinking seems natural when I think
of eating bread or biscuits sitting in an armchair on a thick rug in a
living-room. But an image of a legion of moths come flying when there are
some stewed tomatoes around... no-o :)

Kristin

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 07:36 07.01.2003 -0500 skrev Jennifer Thompson:
> >Hi, all.  I just joined this list.

> Welcome! Is this you?
>
> http://www.132poundsofpower.com/

Lol again, just at the idea of searching over the Internet when a new
meeber announces about her.

But: welcome, Jennifer, although it is not you.

Kristin

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evelyn Duncan
>Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:31 PM
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>
>
>In a message dated 01/07/2003 11:07:21 AM Central Standard Time,
>plotkina@ISC.UPENN.EDU writes:
>
><<
>Land's End
>is a good example.
>
>>>
>
>Has Land's End started listing the Sears Card in its catalog?
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>
>"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
>IN PAIRS.
>

Not sure, go to there web site and check.


alec

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steph wrote:

>
> Where is the Prime Meeber, anyway?

I think he's gone walk-about.... When he returns we'll have to demand
detailed WHTM.

I can't believe he left without saying good-bye.


--
Sylvia Edwards
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Thanks, Kristin.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
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From: English Language Discussion Group
[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kristin Sarv
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Subject: back, but...

I sent a message to the listserv to receive words-l mail on Saturday,
but then I worked till night and though I read messages on that day,
without answering, I have many unread by now. Who could recommend me
which messages to delete and which are to be read inevitably? Oh :)

I already have deleted some messages with 'Iggles' in their subject
line, as they seemed to contain *only* sports.

It so happened that I didn't wish Doris a nice trip before Tuesday when
she was gone already.

I at least may say, welcome, Jennifer!

Kristin

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Bookrat wrote:
> >
> The most important thing is not to get bored.  As G has remarked, the game
> action is pretty blah, and, apart from the bonus words, you pretty much
> wind up doing the same thing over and over

Thanks for the analysis. I did not realize the exponential features,
etc. Will keep trying.

alyce

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Publisher Stops History Book Publication
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-History-Book-Canceled.html
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 5:51 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- Publication has been halted on a disputed book about
the
history of guns in the United States.

Questions about Michael Bellesiles' ``Arming America'' had already led
Columbia University to rescind the prestigious Bancroft Prize for
history.

When Columbia made the announcement last month, publisher Alfred A.
Knopf
said the book would remain in print. But Jane Garrett, Bellesiles'
editor,
told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the publisher would no longer
sell
it.

``We are in the process of ending our contractual arrangement with
Michael
for `Arming America,''' Garrett said.

According to Garrett, Bellesiles (pronounced Bell-eel) had proposed some
revisions, but the publisher found them inadequate. Knopf spokesman Paul
Bogaards said the decision to stop printing ``Arming America'' was made
weeks ago, although without a formal announcement.

Efforts to reach Bellesiles for comment were not immediately successful;
he
recently resigned as a professor at Emory University, after an
independent
panel of scholars commissioned by the school strongly criticized his
research.

According to Garrett, the book has sold about 8,000 copies in hardcover
and
about 16,000 in paperback.

Bellesiles spent 10 years working on ``Arming America,'' published by
Knopf
in 2000. The book challenges the idea that the United States has always
been
a gun-oriented culture and that well-armed militias were essential to
the
Revolutionary War.

``Arming America'' was praised in both The New York Times and The New
York
Review of Books and won the Bancroft Prize, presented to works of
``exceptional merit and distinction in the fields of American history
and
biography.''

Many cited it as a devastating statement against America's alleged
historical love affair with firearms. But gun advocates quickly attacked
the
book, and scholars and critics also became skeptical.

The Emory report, written by scholars from Harvard and Princeton
universities and the University of Chicago, said Bellesiles' failure to
cite
sources for crucial data ``does move into the realm of
'falsification.''' It
also suggested he omitted other researchers' data that contradicted his
arguments.

Garrett said Tuesday that she still had ``great respect'' for the
author.
``I still do not believe in any shape or form he fabricated anything,''
she
said. ``He's just a sloppy researcher.''

Bellesiles has acknowledged some errors, but defends his book as
fundamentally sound.

``I have never fabricated evidence of any kind nor knowingly evaded my
responsibilities as a scholar,'' he said after announcing his
resignation in
October.
---------
alyce



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If this goes through I will know I am subscribed to the list
through my AOL account that I use when I travel.  Not
without great difficulty.  When I sent the usual message
<subscribe words-l Doris Markland> I got messages
saying "subscribe" was an unknown command.

Mem suggested I go to the web site and subscribe there.
At the web site I typed Words-L in the search window and
was told they had no list called Words-L.  Yet when I
scrolled down the list of lists, there it was.  So I kept
trying until finally I got a response asking me to return a
reply simply stating "ok".  I did and received an email
saying that "ok" was an unknown command.

I was beginning to think I had entered a zone of some kind.

But I kept trying and finally got in.  I think.  And if so,
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I'm thinking, tho, that if others have as hard a time
joining as I did it might explain why we have no new blood.

(And for a while I wondered if I had been blacklisted.)


                 - D. M.

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Doris Markland said:
> If this goes through I will know I am subscribed to the list
> through my AOL account that I use when I travel.

Except, nonsubscribers can post.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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>AS (following his good example, for the most part)

Why the quibbling "for the most part"? You can do it all, Amy!

-rashmi

PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
   Archives?





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In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:09:25 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:


>
> Doris Markland said:
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> > through my AOL account that I use when I travel.
>
> Except, nonsubscribers can post.
>
> Karen
> Department of Cosmic Secrets
>

I know.  But how is that relevant?
I want to listen, not necessarily talk.

              - D. M.

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They decided to do it internally.

I've lost count--I think this is close to the 15th job I've had this
happen with.

Karen

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
>    Archives?

Why don't you read the UGA archives?

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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>I >am< the slut in the title.  A copy's also available on my personal
>website, so I have no deniability there.
>
>I've always admired the phrase "ethical slut," though I've never read
>the book.  I was afraid I'd have to change my ways.

You can credit Dossie for the phrase, which may be her/our
contribution to the general lexicon. (Maybe before we die we'll see
it in the OED.) We spent the whole writing process calling the book
"The Ethical Slut," but adding "you know, we're going to have to
figure out the *real* title soon." We got to galley preparation and
still hadn't figured out the "real" title, and everybody we talked to
urged us to use "Ethical Slut," so we did. We know it prevents some
people from reading the book, but it sucks a lot more in, and it
definitely sticks in people's brains.

Read the book; a girl's got to make a living. Nothing in it says you
have to follow our directions.

Janet

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Doris Markland said:
> I know.  But how is that relevant?
> I want to listen, not necessarily talk.

Then you can read the UGA archives.:)

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:26:01 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:


> Doris Markland said:
> > I know.  But how is that relevant?
> > I want to listen, not necessarily talk.
>
> Then you can read the UGA archives.:)
>
> Karen
> Department of Cosmic Secrets
>

Why would I go through all that if I could just subscribe?

Anyway, I'm wondering why I had so much trouble
subscribing.

                     - D. M.

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Doris Markland said:
> Why would I go through all that if I could just subscribe?

For practice.

> Anyway, I'm wondering why I had so much trouble
> subscribing.

I'm wondering why I have so much trouble finding gainful employment.

Karen
Department of Cosmic Secrets

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Welcome, Jennifer.  Tell Pete to get his butt back here. He is so busy
blogging that he doesn't post.

Betty

At 06:41 PM 1/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
>
>>I was invited to join by a gentleman named Peter whose last name excapes me;
>>he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm working on.  For my own blog (a
>>thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to close reading of Eliot and
>>musings on
>>de Man's "Literary History and Literary Modernity"), see
>>http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
>
>
>Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to me.  I don't
>know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I supposed to?
>
>
>
>
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita
>

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At 09:53 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
>I myself have vowed not to fire up the game ever again, and I've sometimes
>vowed this as many as six impossible times before breakfast.

Go for a walk!

Mothering Hen

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> They decided to do it internally.
>
> I've lost count--I think this is close to the 15th job I've had this
> happen with.
>
> Karen

Karen,
I'm sorry
Paul

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You can just go to mem's alternative web site and do it all.

Loved the new pictures of Sylvia and the bitch.

Betty

At 11:47 AM 1/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>If this goes through I will know I am subscribed to the list
>through my AOL account that I use when I travel.  Not
>without great difficulty.  When I sent the usual message
><subscribe words-l Doris Markland> I got messages
>saying "subscribe" was an unknown command.
>
>Mem suggested I go to the web site and subscribe there.
>At the web site I typed Words-L in the search window and
>was told they had no list called Words-L.  Yet when I
>scrolled down the list of lists, there it was.  So I kept
>trying until finally I got a response asking me to return a
>reply simply stating "ok".  I did and received an email
>saying that "ok" was an unknown command.
>
>I was beginning to think I had entered a zone of some kind.
>
>But I kept trying and finally got in.  I think.  And if so,
>thanks Mem.
>
>I'm thinking, tho, that if others have as hard a time
>joining as I did it might explain why we have no new blood.
>
>(And for a while I wondered if I had been blacklisted.)
>
>
>                  - D. M.

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I just read the general uga-archives
(http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/) -- for the first time. So I
could read explanations on vidalia onoions and some good wishes sent to
me after I'd sent my nomail-message last Wednesday. Thank you, Clyde,
Karen, Natalie and Rashmi

Kristin

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Karen Kay wrote:

> They decided to do it internally.
>
> I've lost count--I think this is close to the 15th job I've had this
> happen with.

:-(

Kr.

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:41:09 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:


> I'm wondering why I have so much trouble finding gainful employment.
>
> Karen
> Department of Cosmic Secrets
>

I'm so sorry the deal feel through.  Hope something good
comes up soon . . today, tomorrow, this week, at least.

                                       - D. M.

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:01:19 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:


> At 09:53 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> >I myself have vowed not to fire up the game ever again, and I've sometimes
> >vowed this as many as six impossible times before breakfast.
>
> Go for a walk!
>
> Mothering Hen
>

I've been off list for a few days.  Now I see a reference to a
Bookworm score of over 2 mil.  Who did that?  One of ours?

                                      - D. M.

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Doris Markland said:
> In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:41:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
>
> > I'm wondering why I have so much trouble finding gainful employment.
> >
> > Karen
> > Department of Cosmic Secrets
> >
>
> I'm so sorry the deal feel through.  Hope something good
> comes up soon . . today, tomorrow, this week, at least.

Oh, yes, let this week be different from the last 91!

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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At 03:30 PM 1/8/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>The only other picture I have of my roof is this one:
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/roof_2002.jpg
>
>That's the blue plastic tubs we made last summer and a view into
>the stairs leading up to our living room.


Looks like spring!

Betty

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Doris Markland said:
> In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:01:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
>
>
> > At 09:53 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, Bookrat wrote:
> > >I myself have vowed not to fire up the game ever again, and I've sometimes
> > >vowed this as many as six impossible times before breakfast.
> >
> > Go for a walk!
> >
> > Mothering Hen
> >
>
> I've been off list for a few days.  Now I see a reference to a
> Bookworm score of over 2 mil.  Who did that?  One of ours?

Boo!

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:36:08AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
= At 03:30 PM 1/8/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
= >The only other picture I have of my roof is this one:
= >http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/roof_2002.jpg
= >
= >That's the blue plastic tubs we made last summer and a view into
= >the stairs leading up to our living room.
=
=
= Looks like spring!
=

That's a picture from last year, Betty.  It isn't August, but the
pansies are pretty leggy already.

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girlitude

or maybe it should be grrrlitude

Karen
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>I'm thinking, tho, that if others have as hard a time
>joining as I did it might explain why we have no new blood.
>
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Doris,

You didn't say where you sent the subscribe command, but  assume to
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It could be an AOL thing, or it could be the net's way of telling
you that you should have better things to do in Paradise.

/Jim

>
>                 - D. M.

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Karen wrote:
>
> > They decided to do it internally.

Fooey.

alyce

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> girlitude
>
> or maybe it should be grrrlitude
>
> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

If you had spent any time with the faeries this would not be a new one

:-)

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > girlitude
> >
> > or maybe it should be grrrlitude
> >
> > Karen
> > "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> > A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>
> If you had spent any time with the faeries this would not be a new one
>
> :-)

Is there also boyitude?

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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>Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>  > girlitude
>>  >
>>  > or maybe it should be grrrlitude
>>  >
>>  > Karen
>>  > "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
>>  > A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>>
>>  If you had spent any time with the faeries this would not be a new one
>>
>>  :-)
>
>Is there also boyitude?

Or boi-itude?

Janet

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On 8 Jan 2003 at 9:58, Betty Clark wrote:

> Loved the new pictures of Sylvia and the bitch.

I refrained from labeling them the way she referred to them: the
pictures of the Edwards Bitches.


     mem

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Blogging is horribly addictive.  Some people may say, "That's because no one
can talk back to you on a blog," but that's not the reason.  It's just a
fantastic research tool.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:42:26 -0800 Betty Clark <bclark@UHS.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

> Welcome, Jennifer.  Tell Pete to get his butt
> back here. He is so busy
> blogging that he doesn't post.
>
> Betty
>
> At 06:41 PM 1/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Jennifer Thompson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I was invited to join by a gentleman named
> Peter whose last name excapes me;
> >>he belongs to a collaborative blog that I'm
> working on.  For my own blog (a
> >>thrill-a-minute affair lately devoted to
> close reading of Eliot and
> >>musings on
> >>de Man's "Literary History and Literary
> Modernity"), see
> >>http://revoltandresignation.blogspot.com/.
> >
> >
> >Jeez, I just write poetry that sounds good to
> me.  I don't
> >know how the hell I come up with it.  Am I
> supposed to?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rita Rouvalis Chapman
> >rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
> >http://www.etext.org/~rita
> >
>

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > >
> > > >Is there also boyitude?
> > >
> > > Or boi-itude?
> >
> > What's the difference?
> >
> > Karen
> > coming late to the party
>
> Boi (pl: boiz) is a term that's used a lot in the Gay[tm] community. It's about being
> young and pretty.

Ah. Okay.

So what is girlitude about? Just to make sure I'm not misinterpreting.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Janet Hardy said:
> >Paul R. Barfoot said:
> >>  > girlitude
> >>  >
> >>  > or maybe it should be grrrlitude
> >>  >
> >>  > Karen
> >>
> >>  If you had spent any time with the faeries this would not be a new one
> >>
> >>  :-)
> >
> >Is there also boyitude?
>
> Or boi-itude?

What's the difference?

Karen
coming late to the party

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 9:58:00 AM, dorism212@AOL.COM writes:

<< I'm thinking, tho, that if others have as hard a time
joining as I did it might explain why we have no new blood.
 >>

I ran into this same kind of difficulty when I changed from Earthlink to AOL.
Earthlink would let me read, but not allow me to respond. Since I'd joined
from
AOL before, I KNEW the list existed, so I kept trying, and eventually
succeeded of course. But I agree, it took some doing to succeed. Theo

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> > >
> > >Is there also boyitude?
> >
> > Or boi-itude?
>
> What's the difference?
>
> Karen
> coming late to the party

Boi (pl: boiz) is a term that's used a lot in the Gay[tm] community. It's about being
young and pretty.

BrP

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Jennifer Thompson said:
> Blogging is horribly addictive.  Some people may say, "That's because no one
> can talk back to you on a blog," but that's not the reason.  It's just a
> fantastic research tool.

How is a blog a research tool?

Karen
feeling the hook bite into my cheek

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>
> So what is girlitude about? Just to make sure I'm not misinterpreting.
>
> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

The faeries always seem to refer to each other as girl.  I rarely hear a masculine
reference in faeriedom.

BrP

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> Jennifer Thompson said:
> > Blogging is horribly addictive.  Some people may say, "That's because no one
> > can talk back to you on a blog," but that's not the reason.  It's just a
> > fantastic research tool.
>
> How is a blog a research tool?
>
> Karen
> feeling the hook bite into my cheek

because they contain all of the secrects of the cosmos?

:-)


BrP

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>Janet Hardy said:
>>  >Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>  >>  > girlitude
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > or maybe it should be grrrlitude
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > Karen
>>  >>
>>  >>  If you had spent any time with the faeries this would not be a new one
>>  >>
>>  >>  :-)
>>  >
>  > >Is there also boyitude?
>  >
>  > Or boi-itude?
>
>What's the difference?

Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
somewhat androgynous man.

Janet

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>Paul R. Barfoot said:
>>  >
>>  > So what is girlitude about? Just to make sure I'm not misinterpreting.
>>  >
>>  > Karen
>>  > "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
>>  > A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>>
>>  The faeries always seem to refer to each other as girl.  I rarely
>>hear a masculine
>>  reference in faeriedom.
>
>That makes me thing they might define girlitude in a feminine way. But
>I see it as something transcending that...

I suspect it means what one might call girly-girlitude, as in "I
enjoy being a..." Crossdressers are usually better at this than
biological females, IME.

Janet

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>  > >
>>  >That makes me thing they might define girlitude in a feminine way. But
>>  >I see it as something transcending that...
>>
>>  I suspect it means what one might call girly-girlitude, as in "I
>>  enjoy being a..." Crossdressers are usually better at this than
>  > biological females, IME.
>
>The faeries do transcend gender in many ways and I don't think of them as
>crossdressers exactly.

True -- those faeries who I know are more into trying to live
beyond/without gender, a goal which I heartily support.

Do you have any Black Leather Wing Faeries there? There's a
good-sized group of them here. I've been to a couple of their parties
and enjoyed them -- I don't necessarily like the people themselves,
but it's nice to be around other folks who play from a sense of
spirit or whateveryoumaycallit.

Janet

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> >
> > So what is girlitude about? Just to make sure I'm not misinterpreting.
> >
> > Karen
> > "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> > A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>
> The faeries always seem to refer to each other as girl.  I rarely hear a masculine
> reference in faeriedom.

That makes me thing they might define girlitude in a feminine way. But
I see it as something transcending that...

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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My sweet Babu,

The Game accepts your name.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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The NYT report on the reaction of Giants fans to the blown
call quotes a "Freedom Allah".

IKYN.

-rashmi, with apologies to Kristin




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02003-01-08 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> My sweet Babu,

ick

> The Game accepts your name.

Cite.

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>I cannot believe it, but I still have no CT scan results.
>A couple of days has become three. sigh.
>alyce

How do you feel?

Tell me again where to search for a book that is out-of-print.  I already
searched alybooks.  I'm looking for Henry Beston's _Northern Farm_ after
just reading his excellent _The Outermost House_.


    --bonniev

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>We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
>lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
>without buildings in the way.                                         - D. M.

Huh?   They remove some of the buildings for the winter??  I want to see
the green flash.


    --bonniev

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>>>I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
>>>Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.
>>>Betty
>>
>>Can we go along?  I've never been to Hawaii.
>
>I don't think you can get there from Maine.
>Betty

Probably not without prayer and fasting and a lot of money.


    --bonniev

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
> >
> Is your physician out of town?

No. She (the pulmonologist) was away last week, and my scan was Monday.
She has a practice in three towns, but today was her day in Hudson
(where I had it done), and I thought surely I'd hear from her. The thing
is that the pain in my right upper lung area is so severe that I have
not slept well in nearly a month and I need to know what it is, why, and
how to fix it. Kevin has gone, as I speak, to get a scrip for Tylenol
and codeine that I got from the GP.

alyce

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>In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time,
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> > >We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
> > >lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
> > >without buildings in the way.
> >
> > Nice!  Is family visiting you at all this time or are you all alone for a
> > month?
> >
>Betty
>
>
>We are alone until tomorrow when lifelong friends arrive.  He is a retired
>AF colonel and they will be staying in a cottage up at Bellows Beach, so we
>will both be going back and forth, playing on that gorgeous military beach
>and also
>playing down here in Waikiki.  Then on 2 different Sundays we are meeting
>friends who are passing through Honolulu on a cruise of the islands.  In each
>case they are given one day in Honolulu (what an insult), so we are going to
>meet their ships and show them a good time while they are in town and then
>see them off again.  Later in the month our older son is coming over for at
>least
>a few days.  That's all we know of, so far.  But we have lots of friends here
>too.

My oldest sister and her husband are planning a cruise to Hawaii. I never
thought of cruising there.
Enjoy your time and let them suffer in Nebraska!

Betty

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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:31:13 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Betty wrote:

> At 09:05 PM 1/8/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Tomorrow I have a meeting with the unit principal (an
>> ex-preist bonnie!) and the student to come to an
>> understanding and determine whether or not he'll be
>> permitted back in my class.  Ellie said it was kind of funny
>> in hindsight to see little polite gentle me tear into a kid
>> from East St. Louis who is about twice my size and totally
>> cow him :).
>
>
> Wish I could have seen that. What you are doing has to be a lot more work
> than an easy college schedule.


        Gotta be.  Next week is exams, which means no actual
teaching, so it'll be a little easier.  I would like to know
which genius in the central office scheduled a mandatory
meeting for first-year teachers until 5pm the night before
semester grades are due -- on stress management.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:25:41 -0600
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Maybe I'll give more serious thought to Natalie's
> encouragement to teach college (as if I could even find a

I encouraged it in the sense that I think you'd love it and be good at
it, but I think I've also said that I also like thinking about your
doing exactly what you're doing right now since you are influencing more
people now in what is probably a more important way than a college
teacher would.

> job).  I teach five 55-minute classes *every* day.  Four
> college classes is starting to look like a cakewalk.

A 4/4 schedule is the norm for instructors and lecturers since they are
not expected to publish or to do much service -- they're 100% teaching.
I was surprised that Jennifer is teaching 4/4.  For years we taught 3/3,
which was considered a bit extreme by most people, but that dropped to
3/2.  Our first-year Assistant Professors teach 2/2.

> section of freshmen.  I'm sure they think I'm an idiot.

I doubt that.

> For some reason I always hear Natalie's voice when I'm
> reading Mockingbird.  I think it is the diction. Or maybe I
> can picture Natalie beating up little boys and picking on
> Boo Radley.

The former makes sense.  The latter doesn't.  Beating up little boys or
picking on Boo Radley is the farthest extreme imaginable from anything I
would have done.  Shooting p-shooters at cars, yes.  Ringing doorbells,
yes.  But the victims weren't The Weak.  I've always been a defender of
the <puny> or the Boo Radleys in the world.

> permitted back in my class.  Ellie said it was kind of funny
> in hindsight to see little polite gentle me tear into a kid
> from East St. Louis who is about twice my size and totally
> cow him :).

I love it.  How are you feeling -- as in the dragginess we were
discussing?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Also, Kevin had to go twice. He went from the gym and had not taken his
>credit card. He had $20. THey told him it was $48! Imagine, for a simple
>scrip like that. So he had to come here to get money and then he went
>back again, and didn't get home for dinner till 8:30.

For Vicodin?? I just bought a bottle last night, and paid something
like $17 (no insurance coverage).

Janet

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 3:49:13 PM, bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:

<< Do you plant tulips? >>

In the fall, Betty, Theo

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There was a report on TV tonight that using the patch can increase
the chance of developing cancer.

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Ben & I are trying to move our new laundry center up the four steps
to our laundry area, but even with an appliance dolly we don't seem
to be able to do it. I'm not sure we're using the appliance dolly
properly. Can anyone help, please?

Janet
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In a message dated 1/8/2003 8:18:04 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< That would be no lie. Took the first Tylenol/codeine at 8 and it hasn't
made a whit of difference.  >>

Tylenol doesn't work for me. Perhaps you too need a different pain reliever.
Theo

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<<
> is that the pain in my right upper lung area is so severe that I have
> not slept well in nearly a month and I need to know what it is, why, and
> how to fix it. >>

Alyce, you shouldn't wait that long to find out. Concerned, Theo

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From: "Jennifer Thompson" <georgwilhelm@earthlink.net>
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The problem with a 4/4 is this: it's one third of my job.  We're also
expected to publish a book, make significant contributions to
administration, and hold 10 office hours a week to get tenure.  Teaching
K-12 is damn hard -- my mother does it in a bilingual school, and I know
she's often shattered by the day's end -- but a 4/4 isn't easy either,
given that research expectations are getting higher all the time.
Several good candidates were denied tenure by the president last year at
my institution.  No explanation, no warning, just last-minute
instructions to pack their bags.  It's also brutally difficult to find a
job; I have friends who have been on the market for five years without
finding a tenure-track position.  I had to move cross-country to take
this job, and I didn't know a soul on the East Coast when I moved here.


There are advantages to what I do.  The students are better-socialized,
and I don't see them five days a week.  I get to teach more interesting
courses.  My schedule is still pretty flexible.  People call me Dr.
Thompson.  But there's a good reason why people are leaving academia in
droves.  I have to remind myself every day why I'm doing what I'm doing
and what I like about it.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Natalie Maynor
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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Maybe I'll give more serious thought to Natalie's
> encouragement to teach college (as if I could even find a

I encouraged it in the sense that I think you'd love it and be good at
it, but I think I've also said that I also like thinking about your
doing exactly what you're doing right now since you are influencing more
people now in what is probably a more important way than a college
teacher would.

> job).  I teach five 55-minute classes *every* day.  Four
> college classes is starting to look like a cakewalk.

A 4/4 schedule is the norm for instructors and lecturers since they are
not expected to publish or to do much service -- they're 100% teaching.
I was surprised that Jennifer is teaching 4/4.  For years we taught 3/3,
which was considered a bit extreme by most people, but that dropped to
3/2.  Our first-year Assistant Professors teach 2/2.

> section of freshmen.  I'm sure they think I'm an idiot.

I doubt that.

> For some reason I always hear Natalie's voice when I'm
> reading Mockingbird.  I think it is the diction. Or maybe I
> can picture Natalie beating up little boys and picking on
> Boo Radley.

The former makes sense.  The latter doesn't.  Beating up little boys or
picking on Boo Radley is the farthest extreme imaginable from anything I
would have done.  Shooting p-shooters at cars, yes.  Ringing doorbells,
yes.  But the victims weren't The Weak.  I've always been a defender of
the <puny> or the Boo Radleys in the world.

> permitted back in my class.  Ellie said it was kind of funny
> in hindsight to see little polite gentle me tear into a kid
> from East St. Louis who is about twice my size and totally
> cow him :).

I love it.  How are you feeling -- as in the dragginess we were
discussing?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>  > Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
>>  also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
>  > somewhat androgynous man.
>
>Yes, a male friend of mine describes himself as a boi. But he's not gay. He
>was or maybe is into some of the scenes Janet's into, BDSM-wise and he's
>polyamorous. It makes for a very complicated life, I think.

If you're the kind of person who leads a complicated life by nature,
your life is complicated even when you're vanilla, heterosexual and
monogamous. I speak from experience here.

Janet
about to go nomail while in Vegas

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita's HS English teacher tales makes me miss Doris and Nancy.
> No wonder they were so ready to retire! Wonder how they're
> doing.


        I'm sure they'd just smile and reiterate their happiness at
being retired :).


> Hope you feel better soon, Rita!


        Thanks!




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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What's shocking about the 4/4 load is that I'm actually spending >less<
time with my students than I did when I was doing grad work at a
research university.  Many schools with high teaching loads claim that
they emphasize teaching, but they actually end up cheating the students
by failing to reduce research and service requirements.

I know that assistant professorship is just the beginning, and that
tenure is not Nirvana.  Even so, I long for the security of knowing that
I will be able to pay off my student loans.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> The problem with a 4/4 is this: it's one third of my job.  We're also
> expected to publish a book, make significant contributions to
> administration, and hold 10 office hours a week to get tenure.

That 4/4 schedule is not only ridiculous for faculty but also for the
students.  The students will almost certainly suffer when faculty are
forced to cut corners in order to do everything they have to do,
especially the research/publication.  That's one reason our new faculty
are given 2/2 schedules -- to give them time to do a good job with their
students along with their research while they're adjusting to their new
scene.  And we try to hold back on dumping too much
administration/service on them at first, although there's of course
some.

It doesn't end with getting tenure, btw.  Even though after tenure
you're not likely to get fired for too few publications, you would be
<punished> in other ways -- no raises, no promotion, horrible teaching
schedules, scorn of colleagues, etc. etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:31 PM 1/8/2003 -0600, rita wrote:

>        Gotta be.  Next week is exams, which means no actual
>teaching, so it'll be a little easier.  I would like to know
>which genius in the central office scheduled a mandatory
>meeting for first-year teachers until 5pm the night before
>semester grades are due -- on stress management.

Sounds like a Human Resources type.

cwv

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I wonder how many academics would choose academia if we were doing it
all
again. I would not. (Jennifer, I am a prof of ling in an English
Dep't.) But since I'm here, I do the best I can with it.

Bethany

One of the members of my dissertation committee told me that she's never
bored at work, and that's pretty much true if you don't count grading.
I don't really see that my friends outside of the academy are any
happier or more financially secure (though they did start their careers
earlier and have fewer student loans to worry about).

Best,
Jennifer

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On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Why does Hawaii strike me as not at all Bonnie's kind of place?  I speak
>with no first-hand knowledge of Hawaii, of course.

But have not most people been to Hawaii? Natalie, I must have taken your
turns.

Bethany

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>That 4/4 schedule is not only ridiculous for faculty but also for the

I once had to teach 5/5. Yuck!.

Bethany

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>Doris Markland wrote:
> > Bonnie, Bonnie, Bonnie . . . you MUST GO TO HAWAII
>
>Why does Hawaii strike me as not at all Bonnie's kind of place?  I speak
>with no first-hand knowledge of Hawaii, of course.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Probably for the same reason that a tour of Iceland doesn't seem like your
kind of place.


    --bonniev

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>No.  The sun rides in the south now and sets more like SW, as it
>looks to me.  Later in the year it seems to be setting straight in
>the west.  I don't understand cosmic things, I just know that in a
>few days I will need to see the sunset from a different place, like
>the yacht club.  Last night it wasn't long after the sunset that we
>were able to sit on the lanai and watch the moon right out here too.
>I don't know how it could follow the sun so closely.  I really don't
>understand cosmic things. . . but I enjoy them.

It's not that hard to understand. The new moon rises at dawn and sets with
the sun. Every day the moon lags a bit more behind the sun, until,
after a week, the first quarter rises at noon. In another week, the
full moon rises at sunset; and after another, last quarter rises
at midnight. One more week and the cycle repeats.

/Jim



>
>                           - D. M.

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Janet Hardy said:
> I suspect it means what one might call girly-girlitude, as in "I
> enjoy being a..." Crossdressers are usually better at this than
> biological females, IME.

Yes, which has always given me pause.

But no, that's not the context in which I heard it being used. It was
used as a slightly more adult version of Girl Power. (Someone was
talking about starting a women-only bar in Austin.)

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:25:20 PM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:


> Can we go along?  I've never been to Hawaii.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Bonnie, Bonnie, Bonnie . . . you MUST GO TO HAWAII

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:


> >We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
> >lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
> >without buildings in the way.
>
> Nice!  Is family visiting you at all this time or are you all alone for a
> month?
>
Betty


We are alone until tomorrow when lifelong friends arrive.  He is a retired
AF colonel and they will be staying in a cottage up at Bellows Beach, so we
will both be going back and forth, playing on that gorgeous military beach
and also
playing down here in Waikiki.  Then on 2 different Sundays we are meeting
friends who are passing through Honolulu on a cruise of the islands.  In each
case they are given one day in Honolulu (what an insult), so we are going to
meet their ships and show them a good time while they are in town and then
see them off again.  Later in the month our older son is coming over for at
least
a few days.  That's all we know of, so far.  But we have lots of friends here
too.

                                      - D. M.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-01-08 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > > PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
> > > >    Archives?
> > >
> > > Why don't you read the UGA archives?
> >
> > Use this--user: scribble@pobox.com, password: wordslsux
>
> I can't remember how to get to them.

http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/words-l.html

> And can they be grepped (grep -inw
> that is)?

No, there's a web search form.

Karen
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A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > >
> > >That makes me thing they might define girlitude in a feminine way. But
> > >I see it as something transcending that...
> >
> > I suspect it means what one might call girly-girlitude, as in "I
> > enjoy being a..." Crossdressers are usually better at this than
> > biological females, IME.
> >
> > Janet
>
> The faeries do transcend gender in many ways and I don't think of them as
> crossdressers exactly.

"Transcend gender". I like that.

Karen
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At 06:58 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 03:50 PM 1/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:
>
>>And radiologists also miss stuff.  I think they have to say a lot about
>>scans because they charge so much, but you're right in that any
>>significantly urgent result would be called immediately.
>
>I didn't intend to demean radiologists.  By the nature of their job (and
>the liability laws), they are bound to note anything that looks the least
>bit out of the ordinary.  It then is the specialist's job to interpret the
>scans from the POV of his/her specialty.  For me, it was informative to
>have him lead me through the scans.

Oh, many need demeaning.  If they can't make an interpretation it is always
the fault of the technologist, too. I'm happy to have our films couried
over  to the radiologists so we don't have to listen to them complain.
Actually, they compliment our work. I just have these memories of certain
radiologists.

Betty

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Maybe I'll give more serious thought to Natalie's
encouragement to teach college (as if I could even find a
job).  I teach five 55-minute classes *every* day.  Four
college classes is starting to look like a cakewalk.  Today
I had to get right into the face of a student and throw him
out of my class.  It was quite a scene, and it pretty much
finished me for the day.  I had brilliant class discussion
on Mockingbird first hour, but after the confrontation and
several aspirin, I think I was barely coherent for my second
section of freshmen.  I'm sure they think I'm an idiot.

For some reason I always hear Natalie's voice when I'm
reading Mockingbird.  I think it is the diction. Or maybe I
can picture Natalie beating up little boys and picking on
Boo Radley.

Tomorrow I have a meeting with the unit principal (an
ex-preist bonnie!) and the student to come to an
understanding and determine whether or not he'll be
permitted back in my class.  Ellie said it was kind of funny
in hindsight to see little polite gentle me tear into a kid
from East St. Louis who is about twice my size and totally
cow him :).
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-01-08 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> But no, that's not the context in which I heard it being used. It was
> used as a slightly more adult version of Girl Power. (Someone was
> talking about starting a women-only bar in Austin.)

What "power" will you get out of a word which puts an "ie"
sound after girl? Don't go to wanker bars.

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At 07:56 PM 1/8/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:36:08AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>= At 03:30 PM 1/8/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>= >The only other picture I have of my roof is this one:
>= >http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwiebe/pics/roof_2002.jpg
>= >
>= >That's the blue plastic tubs we made last summer and a view into
>= >the stairs leading up to our living room.
>=
>=
>= Looks like spring!
>=
>
>That's a picture from last year, Betty.  It isn't August, but the
>pansies are pretty leggy already.

Do you plant tulips?

Betty

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At 05:48 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:59:27 PM Central Standard Time,
>fna104@URIACC.URI.EDU writes:
>
>
> > Doris,
> >
> > You didn't say where you sent the subscribe command, but  assume to
> > listserv@listserv.uga.edu. I just tried the same (subscribe and sub)
> > commands, and had no trouble with either.
> >
> > It could be an AOL thing, or it could be the net's way of telling
> > you that you should have better things to do in Paradise.
> >
> > /Jim
> >
>
>Yes, I addressed my subscription request to
>listserv@listserv.uga.edu.  Anyway, I finally got on
>through the web site.
>
>I do have plenty of things to do in Paradise, but I'll still
>check the mail, maybe go to digest.
>
>It is absolutely gorgeous here today.  Perfect.  Better
>than perfect.

I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.

Betty

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > Doris Markland said:
> > > If this goes through I will know I am subscribed to the list
> > > through my AOL account that I use when I travel.
> >
> > Except, nonsubscribers can post.
> > Karen
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> >
> I know.  But how is that relevant?

The "if this goes through I will know" part.  It would go through, as in
be distributed to the subscribers, even if you weren't subscribed.  (But
I assumed you meant goes through and comes back to you as a subscriber.)

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At 06:14 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
>In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:01:12 PM Central Standard Time,
>bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:
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> > I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
> > Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.
> >
> > Betty
> >
>
>We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
>lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
>without buildings in the way.

Nice!  Is family visiting you at all this time or are you all alone for a month?

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>We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
>lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
>without buildings in the way.                                      - D. M.

Oh, wait.  I'll bet I know what you meant.   The sun sets in a different
place in the winter.  The buildings all stay in place, but the sun
moves.    That's like in the winter, at the site of Beachfest, the sun both
rises and sets from and into the ocean.   The beach faces south.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> I had to get right into the face of a student and throw him
> out of my class.

Tammy (Doug's wife), who is teaching in CHicago this year, had
sommething thrown at her in class that cut her face. She says that
teaching is nearly impossible there. The pay is good. She is unhappy.

alyce

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Michael E. Macmillan wrote:

> On 8 Jan 2003 at 19:26, Betty wrote:
>
>
>>Wish I could have seen that.
>>
>
> Put a webcam in your classroom, Rita, so we can see this stuff as
> it happens.


        LOL.  Interesting idea, but completely illegal.




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= >=
= >= Looks like spring!
= >=
= >
= >That's a picture from last year, Betty.  It isn't August, but the
= >pansies are pretty leggy already.
=
= Do you plant tulips?
=
= Betty

Did you miss  a mail somewhere in there?  Or was I so busy
mentioning all the other bulbs that I forgot to say that this
year we have two tubs of tulips in the seven that we've planted.

so, yes, this year is the first time.

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> >
> >That makes me thing they might define girlitude in a feminine way. But
> >I see it as something transcending that...
>
> I suspect it means what one might call girly-girlitude, as in "I
> enjoy being a..." Crossdressers are usually better at this than
> biological females, IME.
>
> Janet

The faeries do transcend gender in many ways and I don't think of them as
crossdressers exactly.

BrP

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On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:31:22AM -0800, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
= Blogging is horribly addictive.  Some people may say, "That's because no one
= can talk back to you on a blog," but that's not the reason.  It's just a
= fantastic research tool.
=

wot, like you don't learn anything about anything until you write
the paper?

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02003-01-07 | Bookrat <bookrat@BOOKRAT.COM> writes:
> >> And has her kernel been cleansed?
> >
> >Who's in charge of *this*?
>
> The Prime Meeber, of course.  Your acrospire is in peril of remaining
> dormant forever unless you have joined the Cleansed.

TMI

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02003-01-08 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> At lest I'm not alone in loving misdirected intellectual fire.

True. Everybody I know is extremely proud of misdirecting intellectual
fire. If they say nothing else, they never forget to mention this. In
fact prestige is directly proportional to the degree of misdirection.

> What would we talk about without it?

Very good question. How about maybe things which can be considered
both an act and an interpretive process that follows after an act
with which it cannot coincide? If Mo Tzu were alive would he be
dismayed by such things? Discuss.

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Bummer, Karen! :-(

>Why don't you read the UGA archives?

I dunno. Old habits die hard? I like reading more than posting
and one huge text file is more convenient than gazillion little
scraps.

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>AS (following his good example, for the most part)

>Why the quibbling "for the most part"? 

>-rashmi

No quibbling involved/no pun intended. 

Nor TMI.

>You can do it all, Amy!

You first, Rashmi!

AS "leadership, leadership!"

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
>    Archives?

I haven't seen him at all since before the break and didn't get a reply
to the e-mail I sent.  Wonder if he's run away.  I saw some of his
cronies in the distance in the cafeteria today but no FWP.  If I see
them tomorrow, I'll <make inquiries>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-01-08 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
> > >    Archives?
> >
> > Why don't you read the UGA archives?
>
> Use this--user: scribble@pobox.com, password: wordslsux

I can't remember how to get to them.  And can they be grepped (grep -inw
that is)?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:59:27 PM Central Standard Time,
fna104@URIACC.URI.EDU writes:


> Doris,
>
> You didn't say where you sent the subscribe command, but  assume to
> listserv@listserv.uga.edu. I just tried the same (subscribe and sub)
> commands, and had no trouble with either.
>
> It could be an AOL thing, or it could be the net's way of telling
> you that you should have better things to do in Paradise.
>
> /Jim
>

Yes, I addressed my subscription request to
listserv@listserv.uga.edu.  Anyway, I finally got on
through the web site.

I do have plenty of things to do in Paradise, but I'll still
check the mail, maybe go to digest.

It is absolutely gorgeous here today.  Perfect.  Better
than perfect.

                            - D. M.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Thanks, Kristin.  My grandfather (my father's father)
survived lung cancer in his 70's, so we have good precedent..

Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>My dad has just been
>>diagnosed with tonsil cancer, and there's already some
>>spreading to other lymph nodes.
>>
>
> Sorry to hear that, Rita.
>
> My Father has got cancer in lymph nodes, too -- for several years
> already. Having had good health for all his life he suddenly got several
> bad diseases, and had several surgery ops on his wrong side of sixties.
> Then it was found out that the principal reason for all these troubles
> might have been lymph cancer.
>
> After coming out several times from his dangerous states (with dialysis,
> breathing apparatus, etc.) he was said he was going to have chemo. He
> never got it, though, and actually we still do not know what was the
> reason of his doctor's counterdecision. He took several kinds of
> medicines, till at last he had to take only prednisolone. The cancer is
> kept under control, so to say. He feels good, or at least he says so,
> only he needs sleep at least ten hours in a day and night which he
> thinks is too much. He has regained much of his strength and seems
> almost as fit as ever, with all his 74 years. So, I cannot say, how well
> this kind of cancer is curable, but surely rather a good quality of life
> for many years can be gained with good treatment.
>
> Kristin
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 11:15 AM 1/8/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Janet Hardy said:
> > >Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > >>  > girlitude
> > >>  >
> > >>  > or maybe it should be grrrlitude
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Karen
> > >>
> > >>  If you had spent any time with the faeries this would not be a new one
> > >>
> > >>  :-)
> > >
> > >Is there also boyitude?
> >
> > Or boi-itude?
>
>What's the difference?
>
>Karen
>coming late to the party


One has an i.

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:01:12 PM Central Standard Time,
bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU writes:


> I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
> Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.
>
> Betty
>

We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
without buildings in the way.

                                                         - D. M.

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At 06:25 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
>>Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.
>>Betty
>
>Can we go along?  I've never been to Hawaii.

I don't think you can get there from Maine.

Betty

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At 05:53 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>I cannot believe it, but I still have no CT scan results.
>A couple of days has become three. sigh.

Is your physician out of town?  Generally the radiologist reads the scans
fairly quickly, writes a report, and gives/faxes it to your MD.  In my
case, my MD was out of town for Christmas week---I actually read the
radiologist's report before he (my MD) did.  I think that I can understand
your apprehension.  Still in all, and given (if the specialist I visited
today is correct), radiologists tend to "over-interpret" the scans---if you
haven't had a panic-stricken call, then I wouldn't worry all that much.

cwv

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:47:12 PM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:


> >>Can we go along?  I've never been to Hawaii.
> >
> >I don't think you can get there from Maine.
> >Betty
>
> Probably not without prayer and fasting and a lot of money.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

I think you would be surprised at the good prices you can get on
a package deal to Hawaii.  When we are here we so often
talk to people from the east coast who paid way less than
we did for their fare to fly here.  You can never get good
fares out of the midwest.

                  - D. M.

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > Jennifer Thompson said:
> > > Blogging is horribly addictive.  Some people may say, "That's because no one
> > > can talk back to you on a blog," but that's not the reason.  It's just a
> > > fantastic research tool.
> >
> > How is a blog a research tool?
> >
> > Karen
> > feeling the hook bite into my cheek
>
> because they contain all of the secrects of the cosmos?
>
> :-)

Or they are the embodiment of formalized curiosity...

Karen

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At 06:37 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 05:53 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>>I cannot believe it, but I still have no CT scan results.
>>A couple of days has become three. sigh.
>
>Is your physician out of town?  Generally the radiologist reads the scans
>fairly quickly, writes a report, and gives/faxes it to your MD.  In my
>case, my MD was out of town for Christmas week---I actually read the
>radiologist's report before he (my MD) did.  I think that I can understand
>your apprehension.  Still in all, and given (if the specialist I visited
>today is correct), radiologists tend to "over-interpret" the scans---if you
>haven't had a panic-stricken call, then I wouldn't worry all that much.

And radiologists also miss stuff.  I think they have to say a lot about
scans because they charge so much, but you're right in that any
significantly urgent result would be called immediately.

Betty

Betty

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>
> True -- those faeries who I know are more into trying to live
> beyond/without gender, a goal which I heartily support.
>
> Do you have any Black Leather Wing Faeries there? There's a
> good-sized group of them here. I've been to a couple of their parties
> and enjoyed them -- I don't necessarily like the people themselves,
> but it's nice to be around other folks who play from a sense of
> spirit or whateveryoumaycallit.
>
> Janet

I don't think I know any, but I know of them.  The faerie spirit really is quite
something.  I continue to be astonished at the confluence of caring and self-
absorption/drama.  It is a unique experience.

BrP

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Doris Markland wrote:

> We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
> lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
> without buildings in the way.

Where do the buildings go at this time of year?

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02003-01-08 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-01-08 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > > PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
> > > >    Archives?
> > >
> > > Why don't you read the UGA archives?
> >
> > Use this--user: scribble@pobox.com, password: wordslsux
>
> I can't remember how to get to them.  And can they be grepped (grep -inw
> that is)?

<http://listserv.uga.edu/archives/words-l.html>, damn I almost
forgot. They can't be grepped, of course--grep is too obsolete
and too adavanced at the same time--a savvy web user neither
needs to, nor would be able to, grep.

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02003-01-08 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > And can they be grepped (grep -inw
> > > that is)?
> >
> > No, there's a web search form.
>
> I just visited there and saw that.  Inconvenient, imho.  But thanks,
> Tushar, for the login and password.

Thanks? Not "bless my heart"?

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > > And can they be grepped (grep -inw
> > > that is)?
> >
> > No, there's a web search form.
>
> I just visited there and saw that.  Inconvenient, imho.  But thanks,
> Tushar, for the login and password.

LOL.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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bonniev wrote:

> Oh, wait.  I'll bet I know what you meant.   The sun sets in a different
> place in the winter.  The buildings all stay in place, but the sun
> moves.    That's like in the winter, at the site of Beachfest, the sun both
> rises and sets from and into the ocean.   The beach faces south.

Ah so.  I should have thought of that since I know that the sun does
weird things in winter.  I hate winter sun.

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At 05:48 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, d.m. wrote:

>It is absolutely gorgeous here today.  Perfect.  Better
>than perfect.

It turned out nice here as well today (albeit 50+ degrees F cooler than
where you sit, admiring the green flash and all that).  We started the
drive to Bangor (about 8 a.m.) in a fairly active snow shower; it was cold
enough that the snow wasn't sticking to the road, which made the roads good
but visibility a little limited.  The drive was pretty; all along the
route, spruces still held a lot of snow from last week's storm in their
branches.  The area around Lucerne---high hills, deep valleys---had the
most dramatic snow-shower effects.  Coming back about noon, the sun had
broken through and the world was a brilliant white, interrupted by the deep
greens of the spruces and the occasional reds and russets of deciduous
shrubs.  Lunch at Cleonice in Ellsworth was very good---grilled souvlaki
lamb with grilled pita bread; potato, cabbage, and chorizo soup; assorted
olives; yellow pepper and blue cheese pizza.  The draft stout wasn't as
good as that made here on MDI, but sufficed.

Tomorrow, more light snow---for the nth day in a row---almost like living
near the Great Lakes.  Then we are promised cold temperatures, perhaps our
first sub-zero nights.  A good time, I think, for baking bread and making
soups.

cwv

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Betty said:
> At 06:25 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
> >>I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
> >>Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.
> >>Betty
> >
> >Can we go along?  I've never been to Hawaii.
>
> I don't think you can get there from Maine.

I think you need a special passport.

Karen
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At 12:45 AM 1/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>>>The NYT report on the reaction of Giants fans to the blown
>> >call quotes a "Freedom Allah".
>> >IKYN.
> > >-rashmi, with apologies to Kristin
>>
>>Bummer.
>>  Betty
>
>wha?!? I was alluding to the incongruousness of the name.
>An "only in America" moment. WTF are you talking about?

Mariucci's response to the blown call.

Betty

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>>The NYT report on the reaction of Giants fans to the blown
> >call quotes a "Freedom Allah".
> >IKYN.
 > >-rashmi, with apologies to Kristin
>
>Bummer.
>  Betty

wha?!? I was alluding to the incongruousness of the name.
An "only in America" moment. WTF are you talking about?

-rashmi

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Betty wrote:

> The birds are at my feeder!
>


        Hmmm.  I guess the birds around here are fussier eaters!



--
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In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:26:57 PM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:


> We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
> >lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
> >without buildings in the way.                                         - D.
> M.
>
> Huh?   They remove some of the buildings for the winter??  I want to see
> the green flash.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

No.  The sun rides in the south now and sets more like SW, as it
looks to me.  Later in the year it seems to be setting straight in
the west.  I don't understand cosmic things, I just know that in a
few days I will need to see the sunset from a different place, like
the yacht club.  Last night it wasn't long after the sunset that we
were able to sit on the lanai and watch the moon right out here too.
I don't know how it could follow the sun so closely.  I really don't
understand cosmic things. . . but I enjoy them.

                           - D. M.

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A good friend sent this along to me. Funny!

http://www.improvisation.ws/mb/tpcs1.html

Sandra

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BB:

>>wha?!? I was alluding to the incongruousness of the name. An "only in
>>America" moment. WTF are you talking about?

>Mariucci's response to the blown call.

Ah. Thanks.

-rashmi


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alyce cresap wrote:

> is that the pain in my right upper lung area is so severe that I have
> not slept well in nearly a month and I need to know what it is, why, and
> how to fix it. Kevin has gone, as I speak, to get a scrip for Tylenol
> and codeine that I got from the GP.

I am again thankful for Kevin.  But I will be very glad when you get
some answers about that pain -- and a real solution for it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Betty wrote:
> You can call the department where you had it done  and ask if the report
> has been given to your doctor.

Thanks. I will do that in the morning.

> I'm sure sorry that you are still in a lot
> of pain.  Make a fuss and tell them that you are in terrible pain.

That would be no lie. Took the first Tylenol/codeine at 8 and it hasn't
made a whit of difference. It's like someone drilling a hole through my
shoulder blade area.

Also, Kevin had to go twice. He went from the gym and had not taken his
credit card. He had $20. THey told him it was $48! Imagine, for a simple
scrip like that. So he had to come here to get money and then he went
back again, and didn't get home for dinner till 8:30.

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> Wasn't there a Words-L Emergency List at one point, a list of
> people to contact if a list regular disappeared?

Yes, I just ran across it the other day on my hard drive. It dates from
1995.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 09:05 PM 1/8/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Tomorrow I have a meeting with the unit principal (an
>ex-preist bonnie!) and the student to come to an
>understanding and determine whether or not he'll be
>permitted back in my class.  Ellie said it was kind of funny
>in hindsight to see little polite gentle me tear into a kid
>from East St. Louis who is about twice my size and totally
>cow him :).

Wish I could have seen that. What you are doing has to be a lot more work
than an easy college schedule.

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Also, Kevin had to go twice. He went from the gym and had not taken his
> credit card. He had $20. THey told him it was $48! Imagine, for a simple
> scrip like that. So he had to come here to get money and then he went
> back again, and didn't get home for dinner till 8:30.

His crown is gaining more stars by the minute.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>I had to get right into the face of a student and throw him
>>out of my class.
>>
>
> Tammy (Doug's wife), who is teaching in CHicago this year, had
> sommething thrown at her in class that cut her face. She says that
> teaching is nearly impossible there. The pay is good. She is unhappy.


        I feel for her.  I really do.  Her crown is adding stars, as
well.  I hope that there are one or two students who give
her a glimmer of that feeling that makes teaching worth it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On 8 Jan 2003 at 19:26, Betty wrote:

> Wish I could have seen that.

Put a webcam in your classroom, Rita, so we can see this stuff as
it happens.


    mem

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> I got a solicitation in the mail to try Red Cooper grapefruit from Texas.

Pssst: all the citrus shippers belong to one of two cooperatives down here.
Mission Shippers or Edinburg Cistrus Association. Red Cooper belongs to one
or the other. Fruit comes into the co-op, gets cleaned and sorted, and at
the end of the line it is packaged into the containers belonging to the
various members. There is no way to say that one company's fruit is better
than another's, apart from things like did they ship quickly, did the fruit
arrive undamaged, was the price right. There is no difference between Red
Cooper's grapefruit and Sugar Tree Farms' fruit. It's all Valley Citrus,
which is the best citrus in the western hemisphere. Pick your shipper based
on how much you like doing business with them, because the fruit's all going
to be the same.

-aht

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 3:50:48 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I cannot believe it, but I still have no CT scan results.
A couple of days has become three. sigh.
 >>

That's pretty odd, Alyce; I usually got mine the same day. Theo

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 3:49:35 PM, dorism212@AOL.COM writes:

<< It is absolutely gorgeous here today.  Perfect.  Better
than perfect.
 >>

Got my groceryshopping done today, fifties :-} Theo

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> Doris Markland said:
> > In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:41:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> > karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> >
> >
> > > I'm wondering why I have so much trouble finding gainful employment.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > Department of Cosmic Secrets
> > >
> >
> > I'm so sorry the deal feel through.  Hope something good
> > comes up soon . . today, tomorrow, this week, at least.
>
> Oh, yes, let this week be different from the last 91!
>
> Karen

How goes it with your boarder?

Sandra

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> Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
> also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
> somewhat androgynous man.
>
> Janet

Yes, a male friend of mine describes himself as a boi. But he's not gay. He
was or maybe is into some of the scenes Janet's into, BDSM-wise and he's
polyamorous. It makes for a very complicated life, I think.

Sandra

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Rita:
=
=         Gotta be.  Next week is exams, which means no actual
= teaching, so it'll be a little easier.  I would like to know
= which genius in the central office scheduled a mandatory
= meeting for first-year teachers until 5pm the night before
= semester grades are due -- on stress management.
=

I would at least try to get out of it.  Geez, lesson 1 in stress
management is prioritizing.

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It doesn't end with getting tenure, btw.  Even though after tenure

etc.

I wonder how many academics would choose academia if we were doing it all
again. I would not. (Jennifer, I am a prof of ling in an English
Dep't.) But since I'm here, I do the best I can with it.

Bethany

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09:09 08.01.2003 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>They decided to do it internally.
>
>I've lost count--I think this is close to the 15th job I've had this
>happen with.

%&%&%!!!!

Espen

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From: "Jennifer Thompson" <georgwilhelm@earthlink.net>
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By the way, I wanted to add that I'm pretty sure that the public schools
are much tougher to teach in than universities, if only because there's
so much less academic freedom.  My mom has to deal with >so< much more
bureaucratic crap than I do, and they are much more meeting-happy than
my department is or ever will be.  I suppose I just wanted to bitch a
little about my situation; I do recognize, though, that it could be a
hell of a lot worse.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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>  > Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
>>  also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
>  > somewhat androgynous man.
>
>Yes, a male friend of mine describes himself as a boi. But he's not
gay. He
>was or maybe is into some of the scenes Janet's into, BDSM-wise and
he's
>polyamorous. It makes for a very complicated life, I think.

If you're the kind of person who leads a complicated life by nature,
your life is complicated even when you're vanilla, heterosexual and
monogamous. I speak from experience here.

Janet
about to go nomail while in Vegas

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Janet Hardy said:
> >What's the difference?
>
> Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
> also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
> somewhat androgynous man.

Aha.

This reminds me of the Japanese usage of 'boku' (I (masc.)) as used by
women.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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02003-01-08 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Rashmi Murthy said:
> > PS Natalie, did you get a chance to talk to FWP about the daily
> >    Archives?
>
> Why don't you read the UGA archives?

Use this--user: scribble@pobox.com, password: wordslsux

Enjoy ...

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I cannot believe it, but I still have no CT scan results.
A couple of days has become three. sigh.

--
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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Bummer, Karen! :-(

Thanks, it is.

> >Why don't you read the UGA archives?
>
> I dunno. Old habits die hard? I like reading more than posting
> and one huge text file is more convenient than gazillion little
> scraps.

Ah.

I guess I like the little scraps you can <gasp!> actually read threads
at UGA.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > And can they be grepped (grep -inw
> > that is)?
>
> No, there's a web search form.

I just visited there and saw that.  Inconvenient, imho.  But thanks,
Tushar, for the login and password.

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>I'm jealous.  I've been hinting that it may be nice to do that right after
>Christmas next year.  Hope you see many whales and beautiful sunsets.
>Betty

Can we go along?  I've never been to Hawaii.


    --bonniev

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At 12:31 AM 1/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>The NYT report on the reaction of Giants fans to the blown
>call quotes a "Freedom Allah".
>
>IKYN.
>
>-rashmi, with apologies to Kristin

Bummer.

Betty

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02003-01-08 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> Blogging is horribly addictive.  Some people may say, "That's because no one
> can talk back to you on a blog," but that's not the reason.  It's just a
> fantastic research tool.

The unprecedented success of blogs may lie in the fact that almost
every action you take in the course of blogging is, in its microcosm,
homologous to a fundamental and characterizing human activity. What
do you think?

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At 03:50 PM 1/8/2003 -0800, betty wrote:

>And radiologists also miss stuff.  I think they have to say a lot about
>scans because they charge so much, but you're right in that any
>significantly urgent result would be called immediately.

I didn't intend to demean radiologists.  By the nature of their job (and
the liability laws), they are bound to note anything that looks the least
bit out of the ordinary.  It then is the specialist's job to interpret the
scans from the POV of his/her specialty.  For me, it was informative to
have him lead me through the scans.

cwv

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The birds are at my feeder!

Betty

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Betty wrote:
> And radiologists also miss stuff.  I think they have to say a lot about
> scans because they charge so much, but you're right in that any
> significantly urgent result would be called immediately.

But I don't even know if anyone has looked at it at all.

alyce
>
> Betty
>
> Betty


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At 07:55 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Betty wrote:
> > And radiologists also miss stuff.  I think they have to say a lot about
> > scans because they charge so much, but you're right in that any
> > significantly urgent result would be called immediately.
>
>But I don't even know if anyone has looked at it at all.

You can call the department where you had it done  and ask if the report
has been given to your doctor. I'm sure sorry that you are still in a lot
of pain.  Make a fuss and tell them that you are in terrible pain.

Betty

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> The problem with a 4/4 is this: it's one third of my job.  We're also
> expected to publish a book, make significant contributions to
> administration, and hold 10 office hours a week to get tenure.

That 4/4 schedule is not only ridiculous for faculty but also for the
students.  The students will almost certainly suffer when faculty are
forced to cut corners in order to do everything they have to do,
especially the research/publication.  That's one reason our new faculty
are given 2/2 schedules -- to give them time to do a good job with their
students along with their research while they're adjusting to their new
scene.  And we try to hold back on dumping too much
administration/service on them at first, although there's of course
some.

It doesn't end with getting tenure, btw.  Even though after tenure
you're not likely to get fired for too few publications, you would be
<punished> in other ways -- no raises, no promotion, horrible teaching
schedules, scorn of colleagues, etc. etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Bonnie, Bonnie, Bonnie . . . you MUST GO TO HAWAII

Why does Hawaii strike me as not at all Bonnie's kind of place?  I speak
with no first-hand knowledge of Hawaii, of course.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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= Yesterday I received a DVD I have ordered from Blackstar in the UK:
=
= Espen

Ooops.  I probably did not need to know about this - actually
their prices on Farscape, which is what I'm interested in, are
about the same as at amazon.

steph

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I got a solicitation in the mail to try Red Cooper grapefruit from Texas.
Have any of you ever had them, and if so, how are they?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> I got a solicitation in the mail to try Red Cooper grapefruit from Texas.
> Have any of you ever had them, and if so, how are they?

Don't know Red Cooper specifically, but usually Texas pink grapefruit is
pretty darned good (if someone else cuts out all the segments for me).

alyce

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At 10:25 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, Adam Hartfield wrote:
>I got a solicitation in the mail to try Red Cooper grapefruit from Texas.
>Have any of you ever had them, and if so, how are they?
>
>--Adam
>adamh1@attbi.com

SugarTree Farms rule.  I send them every year to my sister in Montana since
Anne told us about them.

Betty

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> SugarTree Farms rule.  I send them every year to my sister in Montana
since
> Anne told us about them.

They do indeed rule. And right now they're shipping Valencia oranges, which
aren't as pretty as the ones from California or Florida, but they are much
sweeter. I enjoy them exquisitely.

-aht

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Rita's HS English teacher tales makes me miss Doris and Nancy.
No wonder they were so ready to retire! Wonder how they're
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Hope you feel better soon, Rita!

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=
= > What would we talk about without it?
=
= Very good question. How about maybe things which can be considered
= both an act and an interpretive process that follows after an act
= with which it cannot coincide? If Mo Tzu were alive would he be
= dismayed by such things? Discuss.

Na, we'd probably talk about pizza 'n' stuff.

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On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Adam Hartfield wrote:

>I got a solicitation in the mail to try Red Cooper grapefruit from Texas.
>Have any of you ever had them, and if so, how are they?

Adam, I have never eaten a red grapefruit of any varfiety from the Rio
Grande Valley that was not superb.

Bethany

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I see where Kentucky won at UT-K last night.  On one of the sports pages a
few days ago, I saw a brief comment that Tubby might be leaving after this
year (is he in his final contract year?).  Does that ring true to you?

cwv

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > I just visited there and saw that.  Inconvenient, imho.  But thanks,
> > Tushar, for the login and password.
>
> Thanks? Not "bless my heart"?

No.  Blessing your heart doesn't fit here.

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02003-01-08 | Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
> At 12:45 AM 1/9/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> >>>The NYT report on the reaction of Giants fans to the blown
> >>>call quotes a "Freedom Allah".
> >>>IKYN.
> >> >-rashmi, with apologies to Kristin
> >>
> >>Bummer.
> >> Betty
> >
> >wha?!? I was alluding to the incongruousness of the name.
> >An "only in America" moment. WTF are you talking about?
>
> Mariucci's response to the blown call.

At least it was about the topic. Amazing!

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> There was a report on TV tonight that using the patch can increase
> the chance of developing cancer.

That's because some research has suggested that the nicotine itself, not
just the tar, might be cancer-causing.  The suggestion isn't that it's
better to smoke than to use patches or gum.  It's simply that it's
better not to use the patches or gum forever and ever, thinking there
are no ill effects.

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Betty wrote:

> Wish I could have seen that. What you are doing has to be a lot more work
> than an easy college schedule.

As one who has done both, I can say that for sure high school teaching
is harder than college teaching in most ways.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:


> I love it.  How are you feeling -- as in the dragginess we were
> discussing?


        School energizes me some, but new worries aren't helping.




--
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In a message dated 01/08/2003 11:19:24 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
They decided to do it internally.


>>

DAMN!

I'm sorry.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Yesterday I received a DVD I have ordered from Blackstar in the UK: the first half of the Complete Yes, Minister series. And indeed. Apart from some clearly 70ies factors such as the clothing and the computer references this has absolutely not become old. Rather scaringly it is very much up to date.

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steph wrote:
>
> Rita:
> =
> =         Gotta be.  Next week is exams, which means no actual
> = teaching, so it'll be a little easier.  I would like to know
> = which genius in the central office scheduled a mandatory
> = meeting for first-year teachers until 5pm the night before
> = semester grades are due -- on stress management.
>
> I would at least try to get out of it.  Geez, lesson 1 in stress
> management is prioritizing.

I don't think trying to get out of it would be wise.  Are the exams
spread out in such a way that a fair amount of the grading and
grade-figuring can be done before the end of the exam period -- as in
before that last day?

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...you'll love Happy Tree Friends


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> The NYT report on the reaction of Giants fans to the blown
> call quotes a "Freedom Allah".
>
> IKYN.
>
> -rashmi, with apologies to Kristin

:) You're welcome. (Aamf, if I hadn't read some earlier post of that
thread I wouldn't have understood a bit.)

Kristin

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> >We were here last night in time to see a perfect sunset right off our
> >lanai, with green flash.    Only this time of year that we see that,
> >without buildings in the way.                                         - D. M.
>
> Huh?   They remove some of the buildings for the winter??  I want to see
> the green flash.
>
>
>     --bonniev

me too! Seeing the night sky from the southern hemisphere and seeing the green
flash are two of my  as yet unachieved goals.


BrP

Paul R. Barfoot
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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 06:41:09AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Jennifer Thompson wrote:
= >
= > The problem with a 4/4 is this: it's one third of my job.  We're also
= > expected to publish a book, make significant contributions to
= > administration, and hold 10 office hours a week to get tenure.
=
= That 4/4 schedule is not only ridiculous for faculty but also for the
= students.  The students will almost certainly suffer when faculty are
= forced to cut corners in order to do everything they have to do,
= especially the research/publication.  That's one reason our new faculty
= are given 2/2 schedules -- to give them time to do a good job with their


Ok, I must have missed it early on, or you guys are all so deep
into it that you all just KNOW, but what's 4/4, 2/2 etc mean?

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A neat effect is that the Moon's face always goes from New to Full or from
Full to New, that is, dim to bright, or bright to dim, in a right to left
direction. Knowing this, you can always tell if it's waxing or waning.





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> >No.  The sun rides in the south now and sets more like SW, as it
> >looks to me.  Later in the year it seems to be setting straight in
> >the west.  I don't understand cosmic things, I just know that in a
> >few days I will need to see the sunset from a different place, like
> >the yacht club.  Last night it wasn't long after the sunset that we
> >were able to sit on the lanai and watch the moon right out here too.
> >I don't know how it could follow the sun so closely.  I really don't
> >understand cosmic things. . . but I enjoy them.
>
> It's not that hard to understand. The new moon rises at dawn and sets with
> the sun. Every day the moon lags a bit more behind the sun, until,
> after a week, the first quarter rises at noon. In another week, the
> full moon rises at sunset; and after another, last quarter rises
> at midnight. One more week and the cycle repeats.
>
> /Jim
>
>
>
> >
> >                           - D. M.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> But have not most people been to Hawaii? Natalie, I must have taken your
> turns.

I know almost nobody who has been to Hawaii.  I can't think of anybody
at all in my everyday ftf life who has.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I wonder how many academics would choose academia if we were doing it all
> again. I would not. (Jennifer, I am a prof of ling in an English
> Dep't.) But since I'm here, I do the best I can with it.

I probably would.  Although it's far from the easy life that some people
in the non-academic world probably think it is, there are many things I
like about it.  One thing I like is <the academic community>.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> I once had to teach 5/5. Yuck!.

Where?  Were you expected to publish while doing that?
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steph wrote:

> Ok, I must have missed it early on, or you guys are all so deep
> into it that you all just KNOW, but what's 4/4, 2/2 etc mean?

The slash mark separates the two semesters.  The numbers are how many
courses.  E.g., 4/4 = 4 courses each semester.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> How do you feel?

Horrible. And this morning I have a fever. CT scan results are
available--GP and pulmonologist both have them. One or both doctors are
supposed to call me. Soon, I hope.
>
> Tell me again where to search for a book that is out-of-print.

http://www.bookfinder.com

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bonniev wrote:

> Probably for the same reason that a tour of Iceland doesn't seem like your
> kind of place.

Actually, I think a tour of Iceland would be fun.  I don't mind visiting
cold places.  I just don't want to live in them.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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No more basketball talk.  Basketball season is over.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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I might add that part of the horror can be the number of different preps --
this semester I have three preps (Western Civ, World Lit and History of
Science and Technology), but narrowly missed having four.  At Georgia Tech I
had a 3/3 with one prep, and it was significantly easier.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:43:42 -0600 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
> > Ok, I must have missed it early on, or you
> guys are all so deep
> > into it that you all just KNOW, but what's
> 4/4, 2/2 etc mean?
>
> The slash mark separates the two semesters.
> The numbers are how many
> courses.  E.g., 4/4 = 4 courses each semester.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:43:42AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Ok, I must have missed it early on, or you guys are all so deep
= > into it that you all just KNOW, but what's 4/4, 2/2 etc mean?
=
= The slash mark separates the two semesters.  The numbers are how many
= courses.  E.g., 4/4 = 4 courses each semester.
=

Ah, thanks.

It's also normal to have the same load for each semester, and an
exception to have something like a 3/4?

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From: steph <stevie@multinix.com>
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Yeah, I can see that.  My student teaching was a disaster, and I
only had two classes with two preps (and in the end instead of
about 70 kids, about 10)..

I'm thinking about trying to teach here, but really don't know a
whole lot about what I am getting myself into.  For one thing,
I'm only fluent in Dutch for some values of fluent.  I don't know
if I could shout down a teenager, for instance.

On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:14:33AM -0800, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
= I might add that part of the horror can be the number of different preps --
= this semester I have three preps (Western Civ, World Lit and History of
= Science and Technology), but narrowly missed having four.  At Georgia Tech I
= had a 3/3 with one prep, and it was significantly easier.
=
= On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:43:42 -0600 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
=
= > steph wrote:
= >
= > > Ok, I must have missed it early on, or you
= > guys are all so deep
= > > into it that you all just KNOW, but what's
= > 4/4, 2/2 etc mean?
= >
= > The slash mark separates the two semesters.
= > The numbers are how many
= > courses.  E.g., 4/4 = 4 courses each semester.
= >
= > --
= >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
= >

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No.  At UC Irvine, which is on the quarter system, faculty often teach a
2/1/1.

--Jennifer

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:15:49 +0100 steph <stevie@MULTINIX.COM> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:43:42AM -0600,
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> = steph wrote:
> =
> = > Ok, I must have missed it early on, or you
> guys are all so deep
> = > into it that you all just KNOW, but what's
> 4/4, 2/2 etc mean?
> =
> = The slash mark separates the two semesters.
> The numbers are how many
> = courses.  E.g., 4/4 = 4 courses each
> semester.
> =
>
> Ah, thanks.
>
> It's also normal to have the same load for each
> semester, and an
> exception to have something like a 3/4?
>

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The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
it faxed to her and will call me later today, one hopes. Meanwhile, the
GP says there is a large mass in the thoracic area (explaining the
pain), which could be a tumor, or not, he doesn't know. And another
meanwhile, he has some samples of antibiotics and Nadine (neighbor) is
picking them up for me as I speak. So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter, but ... In any case,
because I have a fever today, it is assumed that I have an infection,
which may be in addition to a tumor or not. Well, it is pretty vague at
this point, but at least they're working on it. That is better than
wandering about in limbo I guess.

alyce
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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 10:48:15AM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
= send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having

Ay yi yi!

Crossing my fingers for you, Alyce.  Hope you feel better after
some new drugs.

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steph wrote:
> Crossing my fingers for you, Alyce.  Hope you feel better after
> some new drugs.

Thanks.
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In a message dated 1/9/2003 7:09:34 AM Central Standard Time,
fna104@URIACC.URI.EDU writes:


> It's not that hard to understand. The new moon rises at dawn and sets with
> the sun. Every day the moon lags a bit more behind the sun, until,
> after a week, the first quarter rises at noon. In another week, the
> full moon rises at sunset; and after another, last quarter rises
> at midnight. One more week and the cycle repeats.
>
> /Jim
>
>

Thank you, Jim.  I must say I have never known that simple fact
before.  Having said that, I must say that I still don't understand it.

             - D. M.

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In a message dated 1/9/2003 8:21:42 AM Central Standard Time, awild@URI.EDU
writes:


>
> A neat effect is that the Moon's face always goes from New to Full or from
> Full to New, that is, dim to bright, or bright to dim, in a right to left
> direction. Knowing this, you can always tell if it's waxing or waning.
>
>

This is more informaqtion than that steel trap of mine can
handle.  It has a science filter on it.

                       - D. M.

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Doris Markland wrote:

DM> AW> A neat effect is that the Moon's face always goes from New to
DM> AW> Full or from Full to New, that is, dim to bright, or bright
DM> AW> to dim, in a right to left direction. Knowing this, you
DM> AW> can always tell if it's waxing or waning.

DM> This is more informaqtion than that steel trap of mine can
DM> handle.  It has a science filter on it.

        Well you could just remember that the lighted part goes from right
to left across the Man in the Moon's face.  Our right to our left, that
is, not his.  The rest of it follows from that.

        Or you could think of it as moving from "toward the setting Sun"
(west) to "away from the setting Sun" (east).  This works best when the
Moon is young and visible shortly after sunset, since it's easy to see the
Sun lighting up the Moon then.

        I think I might be getting caught in your science filter.  Is it
like a lint trap, requiring cleaning every so often?  Do microscopes,
Petri dishes and assorted equations fall out when you do?

--
Take care,
Tom Lee (flint@kiva.net)
What happens in the Southern Hemisphere?  He stands on his head.

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At 10:48 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
>send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
>it faxed to her and will call me later today, one hopes. Meanwhile, the
>GP says there is a large mass in the thoracic area (explaining the
>pain), which could be a tumor, or not, he doesn't know. And another
>meanwhile, he has some samples of antibiotics and Nadine (neighbor) is
>picking them up for me as I speak. So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
>may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter, but ... In any case,
>because I have a fever today, it is assumed that I have an infection,
>which may be in addition to a tumor or not. Well, it is pretty vague at
>this point, but at least they're working on it. That is better than
>wandering about in limbo I guess.
>
>alyce

Geeze, I never thought I'd root for an infection. I hope the antibiotics do
the trick. You shouldn't have had to wait this long to start!

Betty

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In a message dated 1/9/2003 9:45:36 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
> send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
> it faxed to her and will call me later today, one hopes. Meanwhile, the
> GP says there is a large mass in the thoracic area (explaining the
> pain), which could be a tumor, or not, he doesn't know. And another
> meanwhile, he has some samples of antibiotics and Nadine (neighbor) is
> picking them up for me as I speak. So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
> may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter, but ... In any case,
> because I have a fever today, it is assumed that I have an infection,
> which may be in addition to a tumor or not. Well, it is pretty vague at
> this point, but at least they're working on it. That is better than
> wandering about in limbo I guess.
>
> alyce
> --
>

I admire your matter-of-factness in what could be a very
serious situation.  That's the way to go.  You'll weather it
better, whether it turns out to be cancer or just an infection.
We will certainly hope for the latter.

        - D. M.

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>In a message dated 1/9/2003 7:09:34 AM Central Standard Time,
>fna104@URIACC.URI.EDU writes:>>
>
>Thank you, Jim.  I must say I have never known that simple fact
>before.  Having said that, I must say that I still don't understand it.

The moon becomes new when it passes between the earth and the sun.
Likewise, it's full when in the opposite side of the sky.

/Jim

>
>             - D. M.

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In a message dated 1/9/2003 10:39:00 AM Central Standard Time, flint@KIVA.NET
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>
>         Well you could just remember that the lighted part goes from right
> to left across the Man in the Moon's face.  Our right to our left, that
> is, not his.  The rest of it follows from that.
>
        - Tom Lee

Oh, that does help.  And since I am presently out of school, so
to speak, and free to walk the beach or sit on my lanai and study
this phenomenon, I shall do so.

             - D. M.

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In a message dated 1/9/2003 10:49:24 AM Central Standard Time,
fna104@URIACC.URI.EDU writes:


> The moon becomes new when it passes between the earth and the sun.
> Likewise, it's full when in the opposite side of the sky.
>
> /Jim
>
>

I'll bet you also know what keeps airplanes in the air
and gets the music to my radio.  <sigh>

             - D. M.

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At 10:48 AM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
>send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
>it faxed to her and will call me later today, one hopes. Meanwhile, the
>GP says there is a large mass in the thoracic area (explaining the
>pain), which could be a tumor, or not, he doesn't know. And another
>meanwhile, he has some samples of antibiotics and Nadine (neighbor) is
>picking them up for me as I speak. So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
>may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter, but ... In any case,
>because I have a fever today, it is assumed that I have an infection,
>which may be in addition to a tumor or not. Well, it is pretty vague at
>this point, but at least they're working on it. That is better than
>wandering about in limbo I guess.
>
>alyce

You are in my thoughts. We will hope for a good outcome.

Did you tell your kids?


alec



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Natalie:

> > Why does Hawaii strike me as not at all Bonnie's kind of place?  I speak
> > with no first-hand knowledge of Hawaii, of course.

'cuz you're anti-Hawaiian, for some unknown reason? I'd go to
catch the surf(ers), the ocean, exotic vegetation, seafood etc etc.

bonniev:

>Probably for the same reason that a tour of Iceland doesn't seem like your
>kind of place.

Isn't it Greenland that's frozen and really icy? IIRC Iceland
is supposed to be balmy compared to Greenland. Hope I don't have
this backwards...

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> >  > Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
> >>  also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
> >  > somewhat androgynous man.
> >
> >Yes, a male friend of mine describes himself as a boi. But he's
> not gay. He
> >was or maybe is into some of the scenes Janet's into, BDSM-wise and he's
> >polyamorous. It makes for a very complicated life, I think.
>
> If you're the kind of person who leads a complicated life by nature,
> your life is complicated even when you're vanilla, heterosexual and
> monogamous. I speak from experience here.
>
> Janet
> about to go nomail while in Vegas

I think if one is involved with a number of people, there are that many more
feelings to be considered, schedules to be worked with and around,
discussions to be held...etc. It seems at best complicated and easily full
of drama. I don't know how people manage it. My take on it just indicates
how wrong it is for me.

Sandra

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >That 4/4 schedule is not only ridiculous for faculty but also for the
>
> I once had to teach 5/5. Yuck!.

I still teach 5/5 and all my full time cow orkers do too.  But I'm just
in a community college teaching gen ed courses... publishing is not
required... respected and appreciated, but not expected.

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Jennifer Thompson wrote:

>One of the members of my dissertation committee told me that she's never
>bored at work, and that's pretty much true if you don't count grading.
>I don't really see that my friends outside of the academy are any
>happier or more financially secure (though they did start their careers
>earlier and have fewer student loans to worry about).

It's the institutional bureaucracy that I hate. Academic politics is
just like all politics.

Bethany

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Alyce:

>The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
>send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
>it faxed to her and will call me later today, one hopes. Meanwhile, the
>GP says there is a large mass in the thoracic area (explaining the
>pain), which could be a tumor, or not, he doesn't know. And another
>meanwhile, he has some samples of antibiotics and Nadine (neighbor) is
>picking them up for me as I speak. So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
>may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter, but ... In any case,

Aargh! I'm with Betty, in the strange position of rooting for the
infection. Hope the meds bring you some relief, Alyce.

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At 06:40 PM 1/9/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:

>>Probably for the same reason that a tour of Iceland doesn't seem like your
>>kind of place.
>
>Isn't it Greenland that's frozen and really icy? IIRC Iceland
>is supposed to be balmy compared to Greenland. Hope I don't have
>this backwards...

You don't.

cwv

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>> I once had to teach 5/5. Yuck!.
>
>Where?  Were you expected to publish while doing that?

Southern U. Since I was in a tiny minority of whites on the faculty, I
don't think anyone expected me to stay, and I don't have any idea whether
I was expected to publish. I was finishing a Ph.D. at the time. I taught
there one year after getting my Ph.D., then got a one-year fellowship -
and did not return.

Bethany

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Alyce:
>
> >The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
> >send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
> >it faxed to her and will call me later today, one hopes. Meanwhile, the
> >GP says there is a large mass in the thoracic area (explaining the
> >pain), which could be a tumor, or not, he doesn't know. And another
> >meanwhile, he has some samples of antibiotics and Nadine (neighbor) is
> >picking them up for me as I speak. So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
> >may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter, but ... In any case,
>
> Aargh! I'm with Betty, in the strange position of rooting for the
> infection. Hope the meds bring you some relief, Alyce.

Let me join the arrrgh chorus and the infection section.  When do you
see the doctor?  Are the pain pills helping?  Are you still coughing up
the yellow gunk?  Are you drinking plenty of hot fluids?

Keep on fighting the good fight.

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:

> this semester I have three preps (Western Civ, World Lit and History of
> Science and Technology),

What exactly is your field?  I find this a very strange combination of
courses.

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steph wrote:

> It's also normal to have the same load for each semester, and an
> exception to have something like a 3/4?

No.  The normal load in my department is 3/2.  Somebody might have 2/3,
but that is less likely than 3/2 since fall enrollment (at most
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steph wrote:

> I'm thinking about trying to teach here, but really don't know a
> whole lot about what I am getting myself into.  For one thing,

What would you teach?  Computer Science?

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alyce cresap wrote:

> this point, but at least they're working on it. That is better than
> wandering about in limbo I guess.

Yes!  What is the next step for finding out what the mass in the x-ray
is?

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That question I just asked was dumb.  Obviously the next step is to see
what happens with the treatment of the infection.  Let us hope that the
medicine zaps it quickly and that you are totally well!

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> Natalie:
>
> > > Why does Hawaii strike me as not at all Bonnie's kind of place?  I speak
> > > with no first-hand knowledge of Hawaii, of course.
>
> 'cuz you're anti-Hawaiian, for some unknown reason? I'd go to
> catch the surf(ers), the ocean, exotic vegetation, seafood etc etc.

No, I am not anti-Hawaiian.  I'd like to go there sometime.

> Isn't it Greenland that's frozen and really icy? IIRC Iceland
> is supposed to be balmy compared to Greenland. Hope I don't have
> this backwards...

They're both somewhat <cold>, I think, but yes -- it's Greenland that is
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In a message dated 1/9/2003 8:45:36 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< because I have a fever today, it is assumed that I have an infection,
which may be in addition to a tumor or not. Well, it is pretty vague at
this point, but at least they're working on it. That is better than
wandering about in limbo I guess.
 >>
I hope you'll get a full (and good) report soon. Not knowing and being in
constant pain must be horrible. If it counts for anything, I have a good
feeling about it. In any case, good thoughts are going your way, so hang in
there, Alyce. Theo

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"Alec D. Plotkin" wrote:
> You are in my thoughts. We will hope for a good outcome.
>
> Did you tell your kids?

Thanks to everybody for good thoughts. Yes, of course I've told them
what little I know, which is no  more this aft than it was this morning.

alyce

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

 When do you
> see the doctor?

Who knows? SHe has not called.

>Are the pain pills helping?

Yes, finally, but they make me sort of spacey.

?  Are you still coughing up
> the yellow gunk?

No. Breathing is not too bad.

>
 Are you drinking plenty of hot fluids?

No, I have been in bed all day. But I will drink something soon.

alyce
> Keep on fighting the good fight.
>
> --
> Sylvia Edwards
> Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
> Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/


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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Yes!  What is the next step for finding out what the mass in the x-ray
> is?

I guess I"d need a biopsy. I just do not know moreo than I have told
you.
alyce

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Janet Hardy wrote:
> For Vicodin??

Is that Tylenol with codeine (a controlled substance)? That is what I
got.

alyce

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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 02:19:59PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= steph wrote:
=
= > I'm thinking about trying to teach here, but really don't know a
= > whole lot about what I am getting myself into.  For one thing,
=
= What would you teach?  Computer Science?
=

Well, my (now expired, CA) credential is in Math.  But the way things
seem to work here, they'll have you teach anything you're willing
to, within either the alpha's or the beta's (one is arts the
other is sciences, but I don't remember which is which).

Right now they're so desperate for teachers that they're giving
emergency credentials to almost anyone with a university
education who can land the job, with the expectation that you'll
be administerially waived or backfilled pedagogically within two
years.  Expired, foreign credentials seem to have the potential
of being waived in.

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My degree was in comparative literature and my dissertation covered a lot of
ground historically.  My undergraduate was interdisciplinary, and I aws part
of an interdisciplinary feminist studies group, so I'm sort of the ultimate
generalist.  Also, part of the joy of Riddle is that you have tremendous
freedom to structure your syllabi according to your interests and research, so
that's what I do.

--Jennifer

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:15:46 -0600 Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> > this semester I have three preps (Western
> Civ, World Lit and History of
> > Science and Technology),
>
> What exactly is your field?  I find this a very
> strange combination of
> courses.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

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In a message dated 01/09/2003 9:45:57 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
So I may have cancer, GP says, or it
may be a massive infection. I hope for the latter
>>

So do we all.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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<center><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+4>Dance Grand Prix "Italia"
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<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>which will be heldeld in Italy
from 19th to 24th June 2003</font></font></b></center>
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Petipa.</font></i></b>
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In a message dated 01/09/2003 6:28:28 AM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<<
.  It's simply that it's
better not to use the patches or gum forever and ever, thinking there
are no ill effects.


>>

Well, I'm glad Mom decided to try the patch, and she knows that the
program is for two months.  It's just that any report such as this
upsets her, and I'm trying to keep her positive.  I don't want her to
give up the way Grandma did when she found out she had cancer
when she was as old as Mom is now.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> steph wrote:
>
>>Rita:
>>=
>>=         Gotta be.  Next week is exams, which means no actual
>>= teaching, so it'll be a little easier.  I would like to know
>>= which genius in the central office scheduled a mandatory
>>= meeting for first-year teachers until 5pm the night before
>>= semester grades are due -- on stress management.
>>
>>I would at least try to get out of it.  Geez, lesson 1 in stress
>>management is prioritizing.
>>
>
> I don't think trying to get out of it would be wise.  Are the exams
> spread out in such a way that a fair amount of the grading and
> grade-figuring can be done before the end of the exam period -- as in
> before that last day?


        No, I'm required to go.  Our schedule is the two two-hour
exams in the morning, the kids leave at noon, and we stay
until 3pm.  I deliberately created tests that would be quick
to grade.  Even the take-home essay is about as objective as
I can make it with the rubric.  It won't be bad for me, but
I just think it was bizarre timing.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Hi,

Dr. Gupta (pulmonoologist) just called and said she will do a biopsy,
which is done via a bronchoscopy, which I had once before (1998).

She will call tomorrow with appointment time, and she hopes it will be
Monday a.m. It takes about two hours from start to finish (sedation and
recovery). Dangers are collapsed lung and/or extensive bleeding. Last
time I did not have problems, but she wants me to know the possibility.
So, what can I say/do. I guess I will have to give Spike back, at least
temporarily, because I cannot leave him here for an unknown length of
time in case of complications. I have to find someone to take ma to the
hospital and bring me home, which I think Nadine will do if she has no
other plans.
--
alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> So, what can I say/do. I guess I will have to give Spike back, at least
> temporarily, because I cannot leave him here for an unknown length of
> time in case of complications. I have to find someone to take ma to the
> hospital and bring me home, which I think Nadine will do if she has no
> other plans.

I feel sure that she will do it.  Meanwhile, I'm sitting here thinking
about the Spike situation.  Obviously you don't want to go off and leave
him when you're not sure how long you'll have to be gone.  But something
can be worked out.

I wish you didn't live so far away from here.  Or I wish I were really
retired and could head up there and help.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Do you think Riley might find it exciting to be on call as a possible
part-time house-sitter?  How old did you say he is?  Some children would
find it fun to go sit and watch tv in a different house or maybe would
feel grown up to do things like that.  Maybe even to sit and do homework
in a house they were "responsible" for.  I don't mean he would have to
spend whole nights there or anything like that -- just spend appropriate
hours hanging out in your house and taking care of Spike if you have to
be gone.  You would then come home to a normal house with Spike there.

--
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> Pick your shipper based on how much you like doing business with them,
because the
> fruit's all going to be the same.
>
> -aht

Thanks for the Real Story, Anne.

I don't know yet if I'm going to order any. Sweet and juice always
translates into lots of fructose, so it takes planning.

--Adam

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> Yesterday I received a DVD I have ordered from Blackstar in the
> UK: the first half of the Complete Yes, Minister series. And
> indeed. Apart from some clearly 70ies factors such as the
> clothing and the computer references this has absolutely not
> become old. Rather scaringly it is very much up to date.
>
> Espen


I just got some French & Saunders DVDs, and the 80's references aren't too
bad to endure. What great comediennes they are.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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What does 4/4 refer to? 4 courses a semester at 4 credits each?

Drew was 5/3 when I was there, but they switched systems soon after I left
to trimesters or something, I'm not sure.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> For one thing, I'm only fluent in Dutch for some values of fluent.

Love it! Quote of the week.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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This is my kind of vacation, sweetened by the fact I have friends there.
One of these days it will happen.  My other choice is Alaska, a cruise
would be nice and I'd be into a dogsled adventure.

Terry

--On Thursday, January 09, 2003, 8:16 AM -0500 bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM>
wrote:

> Probably for the same reason that a tour of Iceland doesn't seem like your
> kind of place.
>
>
>     --bonniev

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        Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.

        Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
challenged this semester.

Jennifer Thompson wrote:

> By the way, I wanted to add that I'm pretty sure that the public schools
> are much tougher to teach in than universities, if only because there's
> so much less academic freedom.  My mom has to deal with >so< much more
> bureaucratic crap than I do, and they are much more meeting-happy than
> my department is or ever will be.  I suppose I just wanted to bitch a
> little about my situation; I do recognize, though, that it could be a
> hell of a lot worse.
>
> Best,
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Michel Foucault Chair
> of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: English Language Discussion Group
> [mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Janet Hardy
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:18 AM
> To: WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: A New Word
>
>
>> > Boys are usually male, bois female. Although I've heard that boi is
>>
>>> also cutting over into the gay male community to describe a young,
>>>
>> > somewhat androgynous man.
>>
>>Yes, a male friend of mine describes himself as a boi. But he's not
>>
> gay. He
>
>>was or maybe is into some of the scenes Janet's into, BDSM-wise and
>>
> he's
>
>>polyamorous. It makes for a very complicated life, I think.
>>
>
> If you're the kind of person who leads a complicated life by nature,
> your life is complicated even when you're vanilla, heterosexual and
> monogamous. I speak from experience here.
>
> Janet
> about to go nomail while in Vegas
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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steph wrote:

> Yeah, I can see that.  My student teaching was a disaster, and I
> only had two classes with two preps (and in the end instead of
> about 70 kids, about 10)..


        What makes you want to teach now if student teaching was so
bad (not that things don't change... just wondering).



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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At 08:37 PM 1/9/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>steph wrote:
>
>>Yeah, I can see that.  My student teaching was a disaster, and I
>>only had two classes with two preps (and in the end instead of
>>about 70 kids, about 10)..
>
>
>        What makes you want to teach now if student teaching was so
>bad (not that things don't change... just wondering).

You make it sound so exciting, Rita!

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> I wish you didn't live so far away from here.  Or I wish I were really
> retired and could head up there and help.
>
Thanks. And to everybody. I am just up to let Spike out. I am spending
the evening asleep, hiding from reality. Back tomorrow.

alyce
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Do you think Riley might find it exciting to be on call as a possible
> part-time house-sitter?  How old did you say he is?

He will be 14 on Saturday. TOo young and he is not particularly
responsible.

alyce

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At 10:18 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > I wish you didn't live so far away from here.  Or I wish I were really
> > retired and could head up there and help.
> >
>Thanks. And to everybody. I am just up to let Spike out. I am spending
>the evening asleep, hiding from reality. Back tomorrow.

I feel badly that you are alone in your house right now. Hope the
antibiotics do their job and you feel better tomorrow.

Betty

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My 5/5 laod ended as soon as I completed my doctorate. Then it became
4/4. I spent much of my last year at Southern writing what became my first
published book, so questions about what I should be doing re publishing
simply never came up.

Bethany

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> One of the members of my dissertation committee told me that she's never
> bored at work, and that's pretty much true if you don't count grading.
> I don't really see that my friends outside of the academy are any
> happier or more financially secure (though they did start their careers
> earlier and have fewer student loans to worry about).

I was assistant prof (linguistics) for 5 years.  I quit before I came up
for tenure, largely because I knew I wasn't going to get it and I found
the whole package just too anxiety-making for me (and I always had 2/2
teaching loads!).

One very valuable part of teaching in that situation, though, was that
much of my work I would have been happy to do even if nobody paid me - the
research and working up new courses part.  I'm now a librarian in a law
firm; I like my job and have very little work-anxiety, but if they stopped
paying me I'd stop working for sure - I work for the money.

What I'm trying to say goes beyond not being bored at work - I am rarely
bored at my present work.  I think a lot of university people are doing
what they want to do, some significant part of the time.  Though I could
be described as happy in my work, I can't describe myself as Doing What I
Want To Do.

Ann

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steph:

>I'm thinking about trying to teach here, but really don't know a

College or HS?

>  whole lot about what I am getting myself into.  For one thing,
>  I'm only fluent in Dutch for some values of fluent.  I don't know
>  if I could shout down a teenager, for instance.

I thought the kidz all spoke 'murrican?

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I was at a friend's place this evening helping take down the
(12 ft) Christmas tree. I'm not great at decorating but am a
champion dismantler and we did it in record time. Korean
barbecue for dinner afterwards.

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>Isn't it Greenland that's frozen and really icy? IIRC Iceland
>is supposed to be balmy compared to Greenland. Hope I don't have
>this backwards...
>
>-rashmi

A traditional song canonically known as "Greenland Whale Fisheries" has it
thus:

"Oh, Greenland is a dreadful place
A land that's never green
Where there's ice and there's snow
And the whale-fishes blow
And the daylight's seldom seen, brave boys,
And the daylight's seldom seen."

Another point of trivia: for most of the interior of Greenland there is no
legally adopted time zone, a distinction it shares with Antarctica alone.

Ken Miller
Keillor Chair of Folksong
Wobegon State University

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>>I myself have vowed not to fire up the game ever again, and I've sometimes
>>vowed this as many as six impossible times before breakfast.
>
>Go for a walk!
>
>Mothering Hen

I fail to see how this would help me improve my Bookworm game score.

Ken Miller
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02003-01-08 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tammy (Doug's wife), who is teaching in CHicago this year, had
> sommething thrown at her in class that cut her face. She says that
> teaching is nearly impossible there. The pay is good. She is unhappy.

I am very sorry to hear that ... Apparently a middle to lower middle
class Hispanic neigborhood is the place to teach--"sweetest little
kids ever" ...

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At 10:21 PM -0800 1/6/03, steph wrote:
>Yeah, he is.  Of the people chosen to be asked every damn time
>they mention how yummy pork is whether they're of the "chosen
>people".

This reminds me of an anecdote narrated by Patrick Mahony in his book
_Barbed Wit & Malicious Humor_:

=================================================================
...Which repost was almost equalled by Israel Zangwill, the famous Jewish
author and playwright.  He was being entertained by some society dowagers
in Chicago prior to a Zionist metting at which he was going to speak.  At
luncheon he horrified his hostesss by ordering roast ham.

"Mr. Zangwill," she said, "don't you see anything else on the menu which
you prefer?"

"No, I want the dish I have ordered.  I like roast ham."

"But," persisted the woman, "after all, we are going to a Zionist meeting,
and you know the dietary laws of our religion as well as anyone."

"Madame," said Zangwill, "I have ordered ham because I like it, and, may I
say, I like it a lot better than your Chicago tongue."
=================================================================

Ken Miller
Mahony School of Observation

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Here's your basic BS Generator:

http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html

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09:19 09.01.2003 -0500 skrev Alan Wild:
>A neat effect is that the Moon's face always goes from New to Full or from
>Full to New, that is, dim to bright, or bright to dim, in a right to left
>direction. Knowing this, you can always tell if it's waxing or waning.

Or the German (I believe) rule I learned: when it is waxing it's curved side is where it would be in a (handwritten. older style) 'z' as in the word 'zu'. When it is waning the curved side is as it is in 'a' like in 'ab'.

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08:32 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
>> But have not most people been to Hawaii? Natalie, I must have taken your
>> turns.
>
>I know almost nobody who has been to Hawaii.  I can't think of anybody
>at all in my everyday ftf life who has.

One of my brothers has been to Hawaii - and of course Ingjerd, but she belongs to the group of people who pop off for work to Easter Island, Samoa or Tahiti for work, so Hawaii is more or less on the way there.

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16:56 09.01.2003 +0100 skrev steph:
>On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 10:48:15AM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>= The GP finally got the CT results. For some reason, the hospital did not
>= send them to the pulmonologist who had ordered the scan. She is having
>
>Ay yi yi!
>
>Crossing my fingers for you, Alyce.  Hope you feel better after
>some new drugs.

And the same from me!

Espen

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18:40 09.01.2003 +0000 skrev Rashmi Murthy:

>Isn't it Greenland that's frozen and really icy? IIRC Iceland
>is supposed to be balmy compared to Greenland. Hope I don't have
>this backwards...

And Eirik the Red who named Greenland so as to get people to join him to go there with there families and animals made the first (and prbably the largest) PR effort in Norwegian (or Icelandic - Eirik was born in Norway but moved to Iceland with his father) history.

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20:36 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>       Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
>of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
>supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.
>
>       Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
>challenged this semester.

You mean they didn't believe hell is the way Dante describes it?

Espen

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> What I'm trying to say goes beyond not being bored at work - I am rarely
> bored at my present work.  I think a lot of university people are doing
> what they want to do, some significant part of the time.  Though I could
> be described as happy in my work, I can't describe myself as Doing What I
> Want To Do.

I think you're right.  Many, perhaps most, of my colleagues are happy as
clams holing up all weekend to work on their latest book or whatever.
One of my lunch group is seventy-seven years old and has no plans to
retire.  He says he can't imagine wanting to do anything other than what
he is doing right now.  My problem has always been that I can imagine
lots and lots of things I'd like to spend my time on.

--
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Bookrat wrote:

> A traditional song canonically known as "Greenland Whale Fisheries" has it
> thus:
>
> "Oh, Greenland is a dreadful place
> A land that's never green
> Where there's ice and there's snow
> And the whale-fishes blow
> And the daylight's seldom seen, brave boys,
> And the daylight's seldom seen."

Did Gordon Lightfoot ever record that?  Somebody like him did.

I once had a sweater from Thule, Greeland, btw -- given to me by a
<boyfriend> who had spent time stationed there.  And I have some
pictures somewhere that I took out of an airplane of the icy mountains
of Greenland.  They turned out quite well for pictures taken with a
cheap instamatic camera through a Delta airplane window.  It was routine
on that flight for the movie to stop and the pilot to tell people to
open the shades and look out the windows at Greenland.  Iirc, it was the
left windows you were supposed to look out, and I kept wondering why the
weight of all the people flocking to the left side of the plane didn't
make it flip over.  It was the left because it was always on the return
flight.  I guess this must have been Gatwick->Atlanta.  It was some
flight I was on various times fairly close together.

--
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Espen Ore wrote:

> >I know almost nobody who has been to Hawaii.  I can't think of anybody
> >at all in my everyday ftf life who has.
>
> One of my brothers has been to Hawaii - and of course Ingjerd, but she belongs to

Of people in my non-everyday ftf life I can think of only two couples
who have been to Hawaii:  my RRB&SIL, who went there frequently in the
early years of their marriage but for some reason quit going -- that was
many years ago, and a now-divorced couple who live in Columbus and whom
I have not seen either one of in years -- he's the son of a dead friend
of mine -- he and his wife went to Hawaii on their honeymoon because the
bride said that that's what her barbie dolls always did when she was a
small child.  The only other people I know (excluding Wordslers) who
have been to Hawaii are most of my Japanese friends.

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05:05 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Bookrat wrote:
>
>> A traditional song canonically known as "Greenland Whale Fisheries" has it
>> thus:
>>
>> "Oh, Greenland is a dreadful place
>> A land that's never green
>> Where there's ice and there's snow
>> And the whale-fishes blow
>> And the daylight's seldom seen, brave boys,
>> And the daylight's seldom seen."
>
>Did Gordon Lightfoot ever record that?  Somebody like him did.
>
>I once had a sweater from Thule, Greeland, btw -- given to me by a
><boyfriend> who had spent time stationed there.  And I have some
>pictures somewhere that I took out of an airplane of the icy mountains
>of Greenland.  They turned out quite well for pictures taken with a

At the bottom of this page is a photo of Ingjerd taken in Søndre Strømfjord, Greenland, 3 1/2 years ago:

http://www.museumsnett.no/kon-tiki/Research/Staff/

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> At the bottom of this page is a photo of Ingjerd taken in Søndre Strømfjord, Greenland, 3 1/2 years ago:
>
> http://www.museumsnett.no/kon-tiki/Research/Staff/

I bet that picture wasn't taken in January!  Good picture, though, and
interesting description of her research interests, etc.

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I think you're right, Ann.  I really enjoy what I do, and since I'm
lucky enough to actually have a tenure-track job that pays a living
wage, I really am in clover at a fundamental level.  I love to teach, I
love research, and I even like service, since it often involves complex
ethical decisions.

I have a little Sylvia cartoon that shows a woman surrounded by a
voiceover saying, "It's all been a mistake.  You don't have to earn a
living.  Go home and read a novel."  Except for the last year or so of
writing my dissertation, that's how academia has always felt to me.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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> One of the members of my dissertation committee told me that she's
never
> bored at work, and that's pretty much true if you don't count grading.
> I don't really see that my friends outside of the academy are any
> happier or more financially secure (though they did start their
careers
> earlier and have fewer student loans to worry about).

I was assistant prof (linguistics) for 5 years.  I quit before I came up
for tenure, largely because I knew I wasn't going to get it and I found
the whole package just too anxiety-making for me (and I always had 2/2
teaching loads!).

One very valuable part of teaching in that situation, though, was that
much of my work I would have been happy to do even if nobody paid me -
the
research and working up new courses part.  I'm now a librarian in a law
firm; I like my job and have very little work-anxiety, but if they
stopped
paying me I'd stop working for sure - I work for the money.

What I'm trying to say goes beyond not being bored at work - I am rarely
bored at my present work.  I think a lot of university people are doing
what they want to do, some significant part of the time.  Though I could
be described as happy in my work, I can't describe myself as Doing What
I
Want To Do.

Ann

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05:28 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>> At the bottom of this page is a photo of Ingjerd taken in Søndre Strømfjord, Greenland, 3 1/2 years ago:
>>
>> http://www.museumsnett.no/kon-tiki/Research/Staff/
>
>I bet that picture wasn't taken in January!  Good picture, though, and
>interesting description of her research interests, etc.

The English text there is not Ingjerd's - she writes very good and correct English!

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 20:36 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>      Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
>>of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
>>supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.
>>
>>      Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
>>challenged this semester.
>>
>
> You mean they didn't believe hell is the way Dante describes it?


        No, as in a parent didn't want me teaching it at all.



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Betty wrote:

> At 08:37 PM 1/9/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> steph wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I can see that.  My student teaching was a disaster, and I
>>> only had two classes with two preps (and in the end instead of
>>> about 70 kids, about 10)..
>>
>>
>>
>>        What makes you want to teach now if student teaching was so
>> bad (not that things don't change... just wondering).
>
>
> You make it sound so exciting, Rita!


        I begin writing episodes for Boston Public next week.




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I think Ann's right.  You have to have a very odd notion of a good time
to like academia.  I genuinely enjoy all three aspects of academia:
teaching, research and service.  When I do committee work, I actually
feel like I'm fighting the power in some concrete way.  Perhaps
delusional, but comforting.  With the exception of a few very ugly years
in the dissertation phase, academia has always reminded me of a Sylvia
comic strip where a voiceover says, "It's all been a mistake.  You don't
have to earn a living.  Go home and read a novel."

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ann Borkin
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> One of the members of my dissertation committee told me that she's
never
> bored at work, and that's pretty much true if you don't count grading.
> I don't really see that my friends outside of the academy are any
> happier or more financially secure (though they did start their
careers
> earlier and have fewer student loans to worry about).

I was assistant prof (linguistics) for 5 years.  I quit before I came up
for tenure, largely because I knew I wasn't going to get it and I found
the whole package just too anxiety-making for me (and I always had 2/2
teaching loads!).

One very valuable part of teaching in that situation, though, was that
much of my work I would have been happy to do even if nobody paid me -
the
research and working up new courses part.  I'm now a librarian in a law
firm; I like my job and have very little work-anxiety, but if they
stopped
paying me I'd stop working for sure - I work for the money.

What I'm trying to say goes beyond not being bored at work - I am rarely
bored at my present work.  I think a lot of university people are doing
what they want to do, some significant part of the time.  Though I could
be described as happy in my work, I can't describe myself as Doing What
I
Want To Do.

Ann

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I'm still getting used to using a Touch Pad.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
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of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
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Espen Ore wrote:

> At the bottom of this page is a photo of Ingjerd taken in Søndre
Strømfjord, Greenland, 3 1/2 years ago:
>
> http://www.museumsnett.no/kon-tiki/Research/Staff/

I bet that picture wasn't taken in January!  Good picture, though, and
interesting description of her research interests, etc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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05:55 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>>20:36 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>>
>>>     Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
>>>of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
>>>supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.
>>>
>>>     Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
>>>challenged this semester.
>>
>>You mean they didn't believe hell is the way Dante describes it?
>
>
>       No, as in a parent didn't want me teaching it at all.

Now I am curious: was it because it was blasphemic? Obscene? What??

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:

> 05:55 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>
>>Espen Ore wrote:
>>
>>
>>>20:36 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>>>
>>>
>>>>    Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
>>>>of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
>>>>supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.
>>>>
>>>>    Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
>>>>challenged this semester.
>>>>
>>>You mean they didn't believe hell is the way Dante describes it?
>>>
>>
>>      No, as in a parent didn't want me teaching it at all.
>>
>
> Now I am curious: was it because it was blasphemic? Obscene? What??
>


        She thought it was immoral or something.  Yeah, the irony
almost knocked me over.  Kid's obnoxious.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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06:13 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>
>>05:55 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>>
>>>Espen Ore wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>20:36 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
>>>>>of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
>>>>>supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
>>>>>challenged this semester.
>>>>You mean they didn't believe hell is the way Dante describes it?
>>>
>>>     No, as in a parent didn't want me teaching it at all.
>>
>>Now I am curious: was it because it was blasphemic? Obscene? What??
>
>
>       She thought it was immoral or something.  Yeah, the irony
>almost knocked me over.  Kid's obnoxious.

Sancta simplicitas.

Espen

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I think you're right.  Many, perhaps most, of my colleagues are happy as
>clams holing up all weekend to work on their latest book or whatever.

The work that we as individuals do is wonderful. It's the scummy
institutional bureaucracy within which we increasingly have to do it that
is yucky, I think. If I were doing it again, I would be an independent
consultant.

Bethany

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>small child.  The only other people I know (excluding Wordslers) who
>have been to Hawaii are most of my Japanese friends.

Hmmm. I really thought more people went to Hawaii. I have been there 3
times - to spend half a summer at an LSA Institute, to attend an ABA
meeting, and to meet an interesting-sounding email friend.

Bethany

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Just wanted y'all to have Doug's address
drankin@monm.edu

and my sister Roberta @ 314-822-7264.

I called to have Spike picked up. I cannot stand the worry of trying to
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>And Eirik the Red who named Greenland so as to get people to join him to
>go there with there families and animals made the first (and prbably the
>largest) PR effort in Norwegian (or Icelandic - Eirik was born in Norway
>but moved to Iceland with his father) history.
>Espen

That fact that this island that we live on is named Mt. Desert Island was a
problem when asking Congress to form Acadia National Park.  They wanted to
know if it was really a desert.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Dr. Gupta (pulmonoologist) just called and said she will do a biopsy,
> which is done via a bronchoscopy, which I had once before (1998).

I hope this will help you much, and wish you strength and courage, Alyce.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> I once had a sweater from Thule, Greeland,

Sic!

http://www.muinas.ee/ecp/kaali/en/html/legends.html

See the 2nd paragraph, or just search for "Thule".

I like the theory, because it wasn't given ambitiously or as pretending
to
absolute truth, but written by a good historian and good writer as a
research
where the author openly allowed some phantasy to himself. As an
archaeologist
said, sometimes it is not important whether the hypotheses on the way by
which
we go closer to truth are true facts.

Btw, I took part in archaeological excavations at Kaali in 1978 and
1979,
carried out by a most interesting archaeologist.

Kristin

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> Hmmm. I really thought more people went to Hawaii.

One of my nieces went on a school trip to study volanos. As far as I
know, she is the only person I know who has been there (except
Wordslers).

alyce

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Adam,

  Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't working.  Thanks.

Paul

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Hey, that's ok, I liked coming across "I think Ann's right" more than
once! (but next time it could be the subject line . . .)

Ann

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>   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't working.  Thanks.

Done.

--Adam
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Just checking to see if I'm still subscribed.  Had a message
saying I was being unsubscribed.

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I think Hawaii is a West Coast thing; I've been, and I'm hardly
well-traveled.  East coasters seem to go to little islands that I've
never heard of.

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> Hmmm. I really thought more people went to Hawaii.

One of my nieces went on a school trip to study volanos. As far as I
know, she is the only person I know who has been there (except
Wordslers).

alyce

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...it was thoughtless of me not to advertise your wisdom more widely.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
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Hey, that's ok, I liked coming across "I think Ann's right" more than
once! (but next time it could be the subject line . . .)

Ann

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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Subject: Jennifer is brilliant!
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And I am sure she will get tenure if she wants it in due course.

Ann

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [BI] bookworm game score!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:28:56 -0500
From: "Booksalot" <booksalot@qis.net>
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Organization: As They Were Antiquarian Books
To: "alyce cresap" <alybooks@valstar.net>
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Hello Alyce,
No getting above level 20 does not get you
a ranking above super diactionarian.
I flamed out in level 26 with 2,257,390
and still got the super dictionarian ranking.

Cordially,
Ray Reed,  www.booksalot.com
As They Were Antiquarian Books
P.O. Box 299
Westminster, MD   21158
Phone (410) 876-8920


----- Original Message -----
From: "alyce cresap" <alybooks@valstar.net>
To: "insider" <insider@lists.bookfinder.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:18 AM
Subject: [BI] bookworm game score!


> Received from the male librarian in California, who previously had over
> 1,000,000.
>
> "
> Today being a slow day, I let myself start one more Bookworm game.
> Wouldn't you know it, several bonus words lined themselves up early,
> always
> a good start to a good score.  Three or four hours later, and...
>
> I joined the two-million club -- 2,165,870 (to be precise) was my final
> score.  You may all bow in awe.
>
> I don't think there is any rank higher than Super Dictionarian.  If
> there
> is, it would have to be at or above level 20 (I flamed out in the middle
> of
> level 19)."
> --
> alyce
> __________________________________________________________________________
> BookFinder Insider -- http://lists.bookfinder.com/mailman/listinfo/insider
>

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On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:12:39AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Espen Ore wrote:
=
= > >I know almost nobody who has been to Hawaii.  I can't think of anybody
= > >at all in my everyday ftf life who has.
= >
= > One of my brothers has been to Hawaii - and of course Ingjerd, but she belongs to
=
= Of people in my non-everyday ftf life I can think of only two couples
= who have been to Hawaii:  my RRB&SIL, who went there frequently in the
= early years of their marriage but for some reason quit going -- that was

My mom just got back from some conference in Hawaii.  One of my
oracle conferences is sometimes held there because it's about the
same price for people to fly to Hawaii vs. San Diego vs. Florida.

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>One of my nieces went on a school trip to study volanos. As far as I
>know, she is the only person I know who has been there (except
>Wordslers).

My first trip was made to supervise the work of two graduate students in
Lx here - the LSA Summer Institute was being held in Oahu, and by good
fortune and a little planning, I was able to get a fellowship approved
the previous year to enable doctoral students in English to attend the
Institute. I had a small grant to help me with expenses. It was a
wonderful experience. The Institute ran out of housing, so some of us
(females) lived in a convent. That was great, because except for the one
hour a day that the nuns used the swimming pool, we Institute people had
the pool available - the only private pool available at the Institute that
year.

We were in a residential area, also, and that was very nice - we had
conversations with families in the evenings as we walked back and forth
various places.

Bethany

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I have been interested in all the comments about visiting
Hawaii, since few of them match my experience.  I have
travelled to Hawaii over 30 times.  Almost everyone I know
in any part of the country has been here at least once.
While I'm here I meet peoplefrom all over, but I would say
more east coasters than  west.

But since we're making generalizations, here's one:
This is a very loving, feeling kind of place and I think maybe
not as likely to attract intellectuals and academia as to
attract lovers and family people.

       - D, M.

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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:37:56PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
= steph wrote:
=
= > Yeah, I can see that.  My student teaching was a disaster, and I
= > only had two classes with two preps (and in the end instead of
= > about 70 kids, about 10)..
=
=
=         What makes you want to teach now if student teaching was so
= bad (not that things don't change... just wondering).
=

What made it bad was not the experience itself, or the teaching,
but mostly my understanding of what it means to be an adult.  I
think I've got that part a bit better under control compared to
13 years ago.  It's pretty hard to be in charge of a roomful of
adolescents if the teacher is a snotty brat.  I think my student
teaching was the first time in my life I ever really had to work
for something.  I take that back.  I had hell with the 5
paragraph essay when I was a sophmore.

I work with a guy who use to teach HS econ.  He said it was the
politics that was the killing part.  I'm not worried about being
able to handle that.

But too, I need an out from where I am, and nothing else is going
anywhere.  So I'm looking at what I used to want to do.  they are
so desperate for teachers that it seems like it should be a good
place to look.  If I actually land an interview or two, and they
don't go well, I probably not push it too hard.

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On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 01:12:27PM -0500, Doris Markland wrote:
= I have been interested in all the comments about visiting
= Hawaii, since few of them match my experience.  I have

Oooh.  I forgot.  Patrick's been to Hawaii!

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Thank you


> >   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't working.  Thanks.
>
> Done.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com

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Bless her heart. She must be going through withdrawal.  I hope she gets her
computer up soon though since it's her life line for work.

Betty

At 01:30 PM 1/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Thank you
>
>
> > >   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't
> working.  Thanks.
> >
> > Done.
> >
> > --Adam
> > adamh1@attbi.com

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>   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't working.
>Thanks.

Aw, I hope it's not too bad (read expensive).

-rashmi



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In a message dated 1/10/2003 4:55:22 AM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<< No, as in a parent didn't want me teaching it at all. >>

Why? Is it for religious reasons? Theo

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:04:10 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>>   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't working.
>>Thanks.
>
>Aw, I hope it's not too bad (read expensive).

It's not great--my main hard drive became unusable, so I had to buy a new
one, and then I ran into operating system problems.

(I'm writing this from the library.)

Being computer-free has been interesting.

Karen

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:06:03 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot
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>I miss my evil twin.  Her computer is ailing.

I miss you, too, ET!

Karen

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:30:32 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot
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Thank you!

Who said great minds don't think alike?!

>Thank you
>
>
>> >   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't
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>>
>> Done.
>>
>> --Adam
>> adamh1@attbi.com

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Espen Ore wrote:

> The English text there is not Ingjerd's - she writes very good and correct English!

I don't remember noticing the quality of the English.  I just remember
enjoying reading about her interests and accomplishments.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >small child.  The only other people I know (excluding Wordslers) who
> >have been to Hawaii are most of my Japanese friends.
>
> Hmmm. I really thought more people went to Hawaii. I have been there 3

I'm sure that many people go to Hawaii.  They're just not (for the most
part) people I know.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Just wanted y'all to have Doug's address
> drankin@monm.edu

I had checked last night to make sure I still had it.

> and my sister Roberta @ 314-822-7264.
>
> I called to have Spike picked up. I cannot stand the worry of trying to
> care for him right now. Last night he went out at midnite and got
> tangled in bushes and I had to go out to get him and couldn't breathe
> and it was not good. I always can get him back later if and when I am
> able.

Did the person you called understand the situation fully -- that you
hope to be back home and much healthier and will want him back then?

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bonniev wrote:

> That fact that this island that we live on is named Mt. Desert Island was a
> problem when asking Congress to form Acadia National Park.  They wanted to
> know if it was really a desert.

I take it that the request must have been in writing.  A spoken request
might have made them wonder whether it was a hotfudge sundae.
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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> http://www.muinas.ee/ecp/kaali/en/html/legends.html
>
> See the 2nd paragraph, or just search for "Thule".

Interesting.  I didn't realize that Thule was named for a mythical Thule
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> Did the person you called understand the situation fully -- that you
> hope to be back home and much healthier and will want him back then?
>
I don't know. I spoke to the husband, not the dog lady. In any case, she
did not come. I am quite upset--a bad breathing day and having to care
for Spike is a strain, simple as it sounds it should= be.

Well, I am feeding him now and then back to bad where I've been all day.

alyce
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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> I think Hawaii is a West Coast thing; I've been, and I'm hardly
> well-traveled.  East coasters seem to go to little islands that I've
> never heard of.

I dunno.  I don't know many people who go to islands when they travel.
That depends, of course, on how we're defining islands.  At every break
there are people in my department heading to certain islands -- that
island that houses England, Scotland, and Wales, for example, or the
Pacific island of Honshu or various other islands of that type.  Is
Australia an island, or is too big to count?

It might have to do with being poor academics.  The cost of going to
Hawaii is normally much, much higher than the cost of going to France or
Germany or Hungary or Thailand or the various other places my friends
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steph wrote:

> My mom just got back from some conference in Hawaii.  One of my
> oracle conferences is sometimes held there because it's about the
> same price for people to fly to Hawaii vs. San Diego vs. Florida.

I had been thinking of pleasure travel rather than conferences --
although that really doesn't change the fact that most people I know
haven't been to Hawaii.  But conferences make me think of athletic
teams.  Various MSU teams have been to Hawaii, I think, to play whatever
games they're playing.  These aren't people I know, though.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> While I'm here I meet peoplefrom all over, but I would say
> more east coasters than  west.

I also don't think of it as a which-coast thing, though I don't really
know, especially since I don't live on either of those coasts.

> But since we're making generalizations, here's one:

What generalizations were we making?  Oh wait -- maybe the east-west
thing?  I wasn't making generalizations in saying that most people I
know haven't been to Hawaii.  That's a fact.  If I did a survey in my
department and at my lunch table tomorrow (oops -- tomorrow's Saturday
-- better make that Monday), I would be mightily surprised to find that
a single one of them had ever been to Hawaii.  If they have, they've
never mentioned it in our various travel conversations through the
years.

> This is a very loving, feeling kind of place and I think maybe
> not as likely to attract intellectuals and academia as to
> attract lovers and family people.

I find your sentence interesting in many ways.  I agree that there's
something about Hawaii (as in the name -- the image -- not necessarily
the real place) that doesn't seem to make it spring to mind when a bunch
of academics are sitting around talking about where they're going on
their next trip (excluding Bethany, of course, and excluding people with
research interests that make it a logical research site).  I remember
asking a colleague a few years ago whether he had any interest in going
to Hawaii.  (He travels constantly.  His typical year would be, not
counting conferences, spring break in Europe, May and June in Europe or
Asia, a short trip in the break after second-term summer school to
somewhere like Montreal, Thanksgiving in Europe, Christmas in Thailand.
He's been spending xmas holidays in Thailand for years now.  He also
tosses in quick trips to various parts of the Caribbean because he
teaches/publishes on Caribbean lit.  (He does do work on some of those
trips.  He's in Contemporary Lit and always finds interesting people he
can publish stuff on who are living in interesting countries.  He's the
friend I met in Casablanca years ago -- the one who got food poisoning
from a sandwich on a train between Marakkesh and Rabat and whom I
finally left in Rabat because I had to get to Tangier and then over to
Algeciras.  He had been in Morocco for a month when I met him there,
visiting regularly with Paul Bowles, about whom he published a book
later.)  Anyway, when I asked him one time if he had any interest in
visiting Hawaii, he said, "Maybe when I'm in my eighties and can't do
real travel anymore."

But what I find especially interesting in your sentence is the part
about its being a "very loving, feeling kind of place."  Why do you
think intellectuals and academia aren't loving/feeling?  And why do you
think they aren't lovers or family people?  Many are.

And finally, I remember when we were discussing Hawaii earlier one time
that I said I had not thought about going there (I have thought about it
sense then, though) because it strikes me as a place for couples, not
for single people -- a honeymoon or second (or fiftieth) honeymoon kind
of place.  Somebody replied that that was not true at all -- that it was
fine vacation destination for single travelers.  I was thinking you were
the one who said that, although I really don't remember.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I don't know. I spoke to the husband, not the dog lady. In any case, she
> did not come. I am quite upset--a bad breathing day and having to care
> for Spike is a strain, simple as it sounds it should= be.

No, it doesn't sound simple.  In your situation it's major.  I'm very
glad you don't have to wait any longer than Monday for the biopsy, and I
really wish it had been today.  Uncertainty and waiting are the worst,
even when you're feeling ok.

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>It might have to do with being poor academics.  The cost of going to
>Hawaii is normally much, much higher than the cost of going to France or
>Germany or Hungary or Thailand or the various other places my friends
>regularly go.

Not necessarily. My last trip was on FFM]s, direct from Atlanta to Maui.

Bethany

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>sense then, though) because it strikes me as a place for couples, not
>for single people -- a honeymoon or second (or fiftieth) honeymoon kind
>of place.  Somebody replied that that was not true at all -- that it was
>fine vacation destination for single travelers.  I was thinking you were
>the one who said that, although I really don't remember.

Myy exeprience is that it is an ideal single vacation place. On two of
my three trips, I spent a great deal of time in solo activities. A
highlight was snuba diving on trip #2. There are gorgeous places to walk
everywhere up, down, flat as you prefer. Life is laid back, and most
residents are incredibly friendly. I shall plan to go more than once more.

Bethany

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It's certainly true that U.S. academics are heavily hooked on Europe. I
went to a forensic linguistics conf. in Australia in 1995 - only two of us
from the U.S. were there. If it's summer, US academics want to go to
Europe, I think. There are more forensic linguists in the U.S. than any
other country, so that seemed quite bizarre, especially since the meeting
was the Int'l Ass'n of Forensic LInguists.

Bethany

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The battery in my old G3 Powerbook appeared to have died. I tried charging
it for long periods of time - nada. I was about to get rid of the
computer, since I did not want to spend the $50-$100 for a new battery.

A local commercial (Eastern Computer) guru told me to insert and eject the
battery a great no. of times to see if it would not eventually start
charging. It worked! I am now getting 2-3 hours of battery-operated time
out of the laptop between charges.

This computer is my UT classroom computer (it's not worth enough that I
have to worry if anything happens to it), so I am very glad to have it
functioning again.

Today, I took it to the classrooms I will be teaching in beginning Monday
to check out the Proxima connections, etc., and discovered that one of my
classrooms is a full "smart" classroom - white board, Proxima, several
video monitors, etc. I'll have to meet with a technician next week to
learn to use it all. I'm glad to have it, for in Lx 200 (Intro), I can
use lots of tapes etc. that I have had to show in the library in the
past. We can do everything in the classroom.

Now if I can just find the wireless card ...

Bethany

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >It might have to do with being poor academics.  The cost of going to
> >Hawaii is normally much, much higher than the cost of going to France or
> >Germany or Hungary or Thailand or the various other places my friends
> >regularly go.
>
> Not necessarily. My last trip was on FFM]s, direct from Atlanta to Maui.

Well, sure.  One can go pretty much anywhere with FFMs.  I've got more
than plenty to go to Hawaii a bunch of times.  But there are also ground
costs to consider.  The list I gave above isn't ideal.  It was a quick
spieling off of recent trips I thought of (as in some of the places
people I know have been in the past month -- not a complete list, of
course).  It's not an ideal list not because it's not complete but
because cost-conscious travelers I know tend to pick Italy or Portugal
over Germany, etc. etc.  (Speaking of Portugal, I just remembered that
one of my colleagues did spend xmas there, with his wife and daughter.)

Part of it, of course, is self-perpetuating -- maybe not the right word
-- I was in my office at 6 a.m. today and am beginning to feel that it's
been a long day.  What I mean is that people tell each other about
desirable cheap hotels etc.  If nobody in the group has been to Hawaii,
knowledge of cheap accommodations is slim.  Somebody can talk about this
super neat cheapo place in Italy, for example, and others get interested
in going there.  I feel sure that there are super neat cheapo places in
Hawaii also, but I've never hard them mentioned.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Myy exeprience is that it is an ideal single vacation place. On two of
> my three trips, I spent a great deal of time in solo activities. A
> highlight was snuba diving on trip #2. There are gorgeous places to walk
> everywhere up, down, flat as you prefer. Life is laid back, and most
> residents are incredibly friendly. I shall plan to go more than once more.

In case it has been forgotten in my speculations about possible reasons
I know few people who have been to Hawaii, I should say again that I
personally do want to go.  I remember the moment when I first thought
that.  It was with mem and Mary Grace in their rental car during the
Wordstock weekend.  They were talking about Hawaii, and it struck me
majorly that I want to go there.

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steph wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:37:56PM -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
> = steph wrote:
> =
> = > Yeah, I can see that.  My student teaching was a disaster, and I
> = > only had two classes with two preps (and in the end instead of
> = > about 70 kids, about 10)..
> =
> =
> =         What makes you want to teach now if student teaching was so
> = bad (not that things don't change... just wondering).
> =
>
> What made it bad was not the experience itself, or the teaching,
> but mostly my understanding of what it means to be an adult.  I
> think I've got that part a bit better under control compared to
> 13 years ago.  It's pretty hard to be in charge of a roomful of
> adolescents if the teacher is a snotty brat.


        True.  My age was a factor in hiring me at WG.  Having the
stage presence (for lack of a better word) to control a room
full of teens is much more difficult when you're only a few
years older than they are.



> I work with a guy who use to teach HS econ.  He said it was the
> politics that was the killing part.  I'm not worried about being
> able to handle that.


        I find that having lunch in my room or occasionally with one
other person largely insulates me from school politics.  I
was having lunch with others at first, but I made a decision
that gossiping isn't a good thing for me to be involved in.


> But too, I need an out from where I am, and nothing else is going
> anywhere.  So I'm looking at what I used to want to do.  they are
> so desperate for teachers that it seems like it should be a good
> place to look.  If I actually land an interview or two, and they
> don't go well, I probably not push it too hard.


        I think -- and don't take this personally -- that teaching as
a fallback position is not the best reason to get into the
profession.  I'm assuming that you're starting to reconnect
with an existing desire to teach that was waylaid for a
little while.  The job is too frustrating if you don't
really want to do it, and there are lots of burned out and
bitter teachers for that reason.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> It's certainly true that U.S. academics are heavily hooked on Europe. I
> went to a forensic linguistics conf. in Australia in 1995 - only two of us
> from the U.S. were there. If it's summer, US academics want to go to
> Europe, I think. There are more forensic linguists in the U.S. than any
> other country, so that seemed quite bizarre, especially since the meeting
> was the Int'l Ass'n of Forensic LInguists.

Two points:  (1) Not all of life is about going to conferences.  Most of
my comments in this thread have been about pleasure-travel, not
conferences.  (That's one reason Doris's thing about families/lovers
didn't fit.  Academics do personal travel as well as professional
travel.  And many are into families and/or lovers.)  (2) It is very
difficult to find cheap flights to Australia.  It is very easy to find
cheap flights to Europe.

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>Two points:  (1) Not all of life is about going to conferences.  Most of
>my comments in this thread have been about pleasure-travel, not
>conferences.  (That's one reason Doris's thing about families/lovers
>didn't fit.  Academics do personal travel as well as professional
>travel.  And many are into families and/or lovers.)  (2) It is very
>difficult to find cheap flights to Australia.  It is very easy to find
>cheap flights to Europe.

Academic and personal travel can be combined - many of my trips begin as
academic trips (conf or research), then spill over into personal time.

Bethany

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I've wanted to see it ever since I heard about it.  And it's on tv,
starting five minutes from now.

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Speaking of which:  Attention English Professors!  What
novels do you wish your students had read before getting to
your class?  I'm putting together an independent novel study
unit.  I have a lot of the usual suspects, but input from
"the other side" would be helpful. I teach freshmen and
sophomores.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Well, you probably know by now then that the screenplay is terrible.  It
does have Mark Wahlburg, who will always be Marky-Mark to me, but even
that didn't reconcile me to my fate during that film.  A viewing
suggestion: imagine, as George Clooney and MM are trapped and doomed to
a slow death, that they while away the time by giving in to their
long-suppressed homosexual passion for each other.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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I've wanted to see it ever since I heard about it.  And it's on tv,
starting five minutes from now.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>Somebody can talk about this
>super neat cheapo place in Italy, for example, and others get interested
>in going there.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

For what it's worth, someone talking about a "neat cheapo place" has never
been inspirational to me.


    --bonniev

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I always wish that my students had more of a classical background: Homer
and Ovid, in particular.  There are very accessible translations
available, so it doesn't seem impossible.  A Platonic dialog or two
would help; I assume they get some Shakespearean tragedy.  The Bible
would be nice (though not necessarily all of the nitty-gritty about how
the tabernacle ought to be constructed and how to cleanse the various
sorts of sores).  I don't know if any of that is realistic; it's more
sort of a wish list.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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Speaking of which:  Attention English Professors!  What
novels do you wish your students had read before getting to
your class?  I'm putting together an independent novel study
unit.  I have a lot of the usual suspects, but input from
"the other side" would be helpful. I teach freshmen and
sophomores.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita

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> >Somebody can talk about this
> >super neat cheapo place in Italy, for example, and others get interested
> >in going there.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> For what it's worth, someone talking about a "neat cheapo place" has never
> been inspirational to me.
>
>
>     --bonniev

What Bonnie said...

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:

> I always wish that my students had more of a classical background: Homer
> and Ovid, in particular.  There are very accessible translations
> available, so it doesn't seem impossible.  A Platonic dialog or two
> would help; I assume they get some Shakespearean tragedy.  The Bible
> would be nice (though not necessarily all of the nitty-gritty about how
> the tabernacle ought to be constructed and how to cleanse the various
> sorts of sores).  I don't know if any of that is realistic; it's more
> sort of a wish list.


        I did some Ovid and Homer this year, some Plato.  Other
teachers do the Hebrew Bible, but I can put full versions of
anything we've read in excerpt.  That's a good idea.  One of
my freshmen, upon being assigned a two page expository
paper, wrote me a ten page paper on the Greco-Persian War.
He started complaining that he couldn't find any good
translations, so I told him to just quote stuff in Greek in
the paper and I could read it that way.

Quite bright.  I think his mom is dying of cancer.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Get them to bite first... then gaf them through the forehead! ... May I
suggest _An Incomplete Education_ by Judy Jones, and William Wilson?  In a
gentle satirical and mildly sarcastic prose it is your best chance at
selling them on the originals.

'Alan



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> I always wish that my students had more of a classical background: Homer
> and Ovid, in particular.  There are very accessible translations
> available, so it doesn't seem impossible.  A Platonic dialog or two
> would help; I assume they get some Shakespearean tragedy.  The Bible
> would be nice (though not necessarily all of the nitty-gritty about how
> the tabernacle ought to be constructed and how to cleanse the various
> sorts of sores).  I don't know if any of that is realistic; it's more
> sort of a wish list.
>
> Best,
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Michel Foucault Chair
> of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

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>Somebody can talk about this
>super neat cheapo place in Italy, for example, and others get interested
>in going there.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Can we be specific? I spend very little on accomodations when I
travel. How much is "expensive," Natalie?

One time, for one night, in order to get a room close enough to the
airport to catch my plane early the next morning, I had to pay the German
equivalent of close to $150. I would not normally dream of paying anything
close to that. My range is generally under $70 no matter where I am. And
usually it is much, much lower.

Bethany

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Since JMW seems to be in hiding, maybe I can sneak in a mention of
the ACLU without setting off a barrage of cannon fire.

Click the link below to view "USA Patriot Art: Cartooning and Free
Speech in War Time"

http://www.aclu.org/cartoons?MX=655&H=0

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From: Ann Borkin <aborkin@rahul.net>
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I had an unexpected treat today at noon:  I went to visit a set of
galleries in one building and spent the whole time in only one of them.
Greystone is showing very very small works.  Miniatures, I guess,
except that some were kind of collections of tiny things on one page.

>From many different artists, most of whom I've never heard of.  I'm
thinking they were local, since the only one I recognized was Wayne
Thiebaud (his was just a very nice black & white print, not so small,
really, and large compared to the rest).

I happen to like miniatures, even tacky commercial stuff.  I'm kind of
ashamed of it: but here I wasn't at all ashamed of liking many things.
There were 3 tiny pots (at $1,500 apiece) that were exquisite.  I never
thought I'd like pots too small to want to put hands on; part of the
pleasure usually is holding or imagining their heft & feel.

The smallest items were strings of 5 paintings each, probably 1/4" x 1/4".
You had to use the provided magnifying glass to make them spring from a
small seemingly almost monocolor square to BOING! tiny paintings.

There were a couple of seascapes that were pretty interesting in that they
were almost like sea closeups.  I don't know how to describe the effect
but I'll try:  They depicted maybe a 5' x 5' patch of sea or sea & beach -
I mean, that looked like their scale in nature - but in an actual maybe 4"
x 4" painting.  There was something weird about that:  a much smaller
piece of nature, making a magnified effect in one sense, but presented in
a tiny tiny format, with a telescopic effect to counter.  Get it?

Anyway most all of these things were pretty strong, though in miniature.
One set of life-sized things were tiny life-sized birdies made of rough
cardboard and roughish paper all crumpled and bound and linked together by
black threads so they couldn't fly away I guess.

Then on exiting the gallery somebody had put a HUGE out of scale, twice as
tall as me, bulbous & wildly decorated PITCHER.  The final wrench and
twist of my proportion sensors.

That was a good joke.

Ann

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> >Two points:  (1) Not all of life is about going to conferences.  Most of
> >my comments in this thread have been about pleasure-travel, not
> >conferences.  (That's one reason Doris's thing about families/lovers
> >didn't fit.  Academics do personal travel as well as professional
> >travel.  And many are into families and/or lovers.)  (2) It is very
> >difficult to find cheap flights to Australia.  It is very easy to find
> >cheap flights to Europe.
>
> Academic and personal travel can be combined - many of my trips begin as
> academic trips (conf or research), then spill over into personal time.

True, though it's often impossible because of the timing.  And many of
us pay most or all of the cost of our academic travel also, meaning that
we would give second and third and fourth thought to committing
ourselves to read a paper somewhere like Australia.   That trip to
Finland was the end of my paper-reading (and would've been even if I
hadn't retired).  It cost me a fortune that I would have preferred to
spend on personal travel.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Speaking of which:  Attention English Professors!  What
> novels do you wish your students had read before getting to
> your class?  I'm putting together an independent novel study
> unit.  I have a lot of the usual suspects, but input from
> "the other side" would be helpful. I teach freshmen and
> sophomores.

Doesn't matter to me as long as they've read some of the classics.

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:
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> Well, you probably know by now then that the screenplay is terrible.  It

I dunno.  I've seen better movies and worse movies.  I started to turn
it off at some point when I was tired of watching them flopping around
in a boat.  But I kept on watching to the end.  I was more interested in
their on-land relationships than in the ship stuff.

> does have Mark Wahlburg, who will always be Marky-Mark to me, but even
> that didn't reconcile me to my fate during that film.  A viewing
> suggestion: imagine, as George Clooney and MM are trapped and doomed to
> a slow death, that they while away the time by giving in to their
> long-suppressed homosexual passion for each other.

I don't know names of actors.  I assume you're talking about Skip and
Bobby.  I kept wanting Skip to get together and live happily ever after
with that female boat person who had her own boat.

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I'm going to visit our cousins in the Xbox Live world for a bit. Any other wordslers on yet? 

-aht

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Somebody can talk about this
> >super neat cheapo place in Italy, for example, and others get interested
> >in going there.   -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> For what it's worth, someone talking about a "neat cheapo place" has never
> been inspirational to me.

It is inspirational to people who like to travel but have limited
budgets -- which means most people in my ftf world.  Or I should say
people who like to travel often.  If they saved up for years, they could
stay in more expensive places.  But most of my ftf friends don't care
about spending money on a hotel since they're rarely in it.  I care more
than some people, and the older I get, the more I care about things like
not having to tromp down the hall in the middle of the night to a
communal bathroom.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Can we be specific? I spend very little on accomodations when I
> travel. How much is "expensive," Natalie?

Depends on where we're talking about.  In the past my rule of thumb in
Europe was no more than $10 a night for a place to stay.  That has
changed as prices have gone up and I've gotten pickier (see previous
note re that).  And when I say Europe, I'm really talking about south of
Scandinavia.  I think I've told before the story of getting off of a
train in Copenhagen, looking at the hotel costs, and getting back on the
next train south.  I knew Finland would be more expensive than my usual
travel.  I can't remember now exactly what I paid, but the hotel in
Helsinki was more expensive than I would expect to pay anywhere south of
there.  It was over $50 a night.  The one in Joensuu was less than that
(was less, in fact, than the conference literature had said it was -- I
realized that with pleasure upon checking out).

>  My range is generally under $70 no matter where I am. And
> usually it is much, much lower.

I would say under $50 for my range, though certain places I've been have
made that impossible -- Spirit Lake, Iowa, to name one.  The prices in
that nothingish town were totally absurd, imho.  New York City is a
place I am willing to pay more than $50.  I set my upper limit there as
$100.  I would never ever pay that much in a European city, though.

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"Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:

> Click the link below to view "USA Patriot Art: Cartooning and Free
> Speech in War Time"
>
> http://www.aclu.org/cartoons?MX=655&H=0

Here are some more nice ones:

http://zoom.cafepress.com/7/1448347_zoom.jpg

http://zoom.cafepress.com/3/1289893_zoom.jpg

http://zoom.cafepress.com/8/1587588_zoom.jpg

http://zoom.cafepress.com/3/1289943_zoom.jpg

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Here are some more nice ones:

Posters, I meant -- not political cartoons.

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Doris Markland said:
> AF colonel and they will be staying in a cottage up at Bellows Beach, so we
> will both be going back and forth, playing on that gorgeous military beach

That's the first place I went body surfing!

Karen
who is back

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S Hess said:
[Charset Windows-1252 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> > Doris Markland said:
> > > In a message dated 1/8/2003 11:41:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm wondering why I have so much trouble finding gainful employment.
> > > >
> > > > Karen
> > > > Department of Cosmic Secrets
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm so sorry the deal feel through.  Hope something good
> > > comes up soon . . today, tomorrow, this week, at least.
> >
> > Oh, yes, let this week be different from the last 91!
> >
> > Karen
>
> How goes it with your boarder?

Not a boarder. A boarder I'd have to feed.

He moves in next week.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Janet Hardy said:
> about to go nomail while in Vegas

Aha! I wondered if you were going there.

Karen
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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> I wonder how many academics would choose academia if we were doing it all
> again. I would not. (Jennifer, I am a prof of ling in an English
> Dep't.) But since I'm here, I do the best I can with it.

I left. (I also had a 4-4 teaching schedule.)

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> I called to have Spike picked up. I cannot stand the worry of trying to
> care for him right now. Last night he went out at midnite and got
> tangled in bushes and I had to go out to get him and couldn't breathe
> and it was not good. I always can get him back later if and when I am
> able.

I'm so sorry, Alyce. I hope you can get him back soon.

Karen
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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> Adam,
>
>   Karen asked if you could set her nomail.  Her computer isn't working.  Thanks.

Thanks for doing this, Adam. (And Paul.)

Karen
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:12:27 EST, Doris Markland <dorism212@AOL.COM> wrote:
>But since we're making generalizations, here's one:
>This is a very loving, feeling kind of place and I think maybe
>not as likely to attract intellectuals and academia as to
>attract lovers and family people.

I *loved* being an academic in Hawaii. More than anywhere else.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Interesting.  I didn't realize that Thule was named for a mythical Thule
> of yore.

There isn't any other Thule, is there? That is, I know that nobody knows for
sure where Pytheas's Thule was.

Kr.

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In a message dated 1/10/2003 4:30:53 PM Central Standard Time,
natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:


>
> It might have to do with being poor academics.  The cost of going to
> Hawaii is normally much, much higher than the cost of going to France or
> Germany or Hungary or Thailand or the various other places my friends
> regularly go.
>
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net

I find that very difficult to believe but don't have time nor
inclination to research it to see, since I don't plan any
of those trips.  Our cost to fly to Hawaii has varied very
little for many years, at most between $500-625.  A
package deal would cost the same and cover both
air fare and hotel.

                    - D. M.

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In a message dated 1/10/2003 5:00:47 PM Central Standard Time,
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> And finally, I remember when we were discussing Hawaii earlier one time
> that I said I had not thought about going there (I have thought about it
> sense then, though) because it strikes me as a place for couples, not
> for single people -- a honeymoon or second (or fiftieth) honeymoon kind
> of place.  Somebody replied that that was not true at all -- that it was
> fine vacation destination for single travelers.  I was thinking you were
> the one who said that, although I really don't remember.
>
> --
> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>

I may have.  I have been here alone several times and had a
marvelous time.  I think it's a place anyone would enjoy.

And, no, I did not infer that you were making generalizations.
That general remark was by someone else about east-west
coast.

Of course there are loving people in academics, and family
people.  But I imagine my impression is that more of them
are attuned to the world through their intellect than through
their heart.

But what do I know.
                         - D.M.

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In a message dated 1/11/2003 12:21:57 AM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:


> >But since we're making generalizations, here's one:
> >This is a very loving, feeling kind of place and I think maybe
> >not as likely to attract intellectuals and academia as to
> >attract lovers and family people.
>
> I *loved* being an academic in Hawaii. More than anywhere else.
>
> Karen
>

I have rented our place several times to an east coast
professor who comes here to teach in summer at the
University of Hawaii.  She and her husband just love
it here and can't wait to come back.

                     - D. M.

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Rita wrote:
One of
my freshmen, upon being assigned a two page expository
paper, wrote me a ten page paper on the Greco-Persian War.
He started complaining that he couldn't find any good
Translations...

Funny how you get those students every now and then.  At Georgia Tech I
had a Polish kid who kindly taught me Polish pronunciation (we were
studying a lot of Holocaust material with Eastern European names
aplenty).  He knew a lot of Continental philosophy, and never ceased to
surprise me.  He's an engineer, and told me one day that he has decided
to build a "smart vibrator."  Oh, and his writing in English was better
than that of any of the native speakers.  You live for students like
that.  This fall I had an Italian kid who wrote a fantastic paper on the
quarrel between Plato and the Sophists.

--Jennifer

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Noted.  I'm always trying to figure out ways to get my very jaded little
pilots to bite.

Best,

Jennifer Thompson
The Michel Foucault Chair
of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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Get them to bite first... then gaf them through the forehead! ... May I
suggest _An Incomplete Education_ by Judy Jones, and William Wilson?  In
a
gentle satirical and mildly sarcastic prose it is your best chance at
selling them on the originals.

'Alan



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> I always wish that my students had more of a classical background:
Homer
> and Ovid, in particular.  There are very accessible translations
> available, so it doesn't seem impossible.  A Platonic dialog or two
> would help; I assume they get some Shakespearean tragedy.  The Bible
> would be nice (though not necessarily all of the nitty-gritty about
how
> the tabernacle ought to be constructed and how to cleanse the various
> sorts of sores).  I don't know if any of that is realistic; it's more
> sort of a wish list.
>
> Best,
>
> Jennifer Thompson
> The Michel Foucault Chair
> of Off-Campus Snappy Dressing
> georgwilhelm@earthlink.net

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Karen writes:

I left [academia]. (I also had a 4-4 teaching schedule.)

"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

So are you more thankful now?  I ask this seriously, having considered
leaving the profession many times.

Best,
Jennifer

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Interesting.  I didn't realize that Thule was named for a mythical Thule
> > of yore.
>
> There isn't any other Thule, is there? That is, I know that nobody knows for
> sure where Pytheas's Thule was.

There's a current place called Thule.  A US Air Force base is there.
I'm not sure what else is.  Lemme see what googling reveals.
...

Here's where it is:

|Thule, Greenland is at 77 - 28 North Latitude,  69 - 12 West Longitude
and is above |the Arctic Circle.
|It is about 760 miles from the geographic North Pole.
from: http://members.efortress.com/jdh/thule-greenland.html

Here's what The Lonely Planet Guide says about it (saying that its
<real> name is "Ultima Thule, Greeland" but that it's usually called
just Thule):

|Thule is still something of a DIY tourist destination - there are
not                | many package companies operating up here. But once
you arrive, if
| your prefer to do rather than see, you can hook up with Inuit hunters
| and go dog sledding, hiking to the ice cap, or just 'summer fishing.'
from: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/theme/deserts/deserts_ultima.htm

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Doris Markland wrote:
> > It might have to do with being poor academics.  The cost of going to
> > Hawaii is normally much, much higher than the cost of going to France or
> > Germany or Hungary or Thailand or the various other places my friends
> > regularly go.
>
> I find that very difficult to believe but don't have time nor
> inclination to research it to see, since I don't plan any
> of those trips.  Our cost to fly to Hawaii has varied very
> little for many years, at most between $500-625.  A
> package deal would cost the same and cover both
> air fare and hotel.

Airfares are crazy, as we all realize, meaning that it sometimes takes
research to sniff out the very best deals, but a quick check on the NW
web page gives figures that are similar to those I've seen many times:

Here <--> Paris:  $540.
Here <--> Honolulu:  $848.

I've never seen a package deal for Hawaii for less than that, though I
haven't searched for such things in a good while.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> Of course there are loving people in academics, and family
> people.  But I imagine my impression is that more of them
> are attuned to the world through their intellect than through
> their heart.

How sad that late-seventeenth-century dissociation of sensibility was!
Bring back Donne el al!

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There is something odd about Thule.  Like why is it not listed (either
as Ultima Thule or just Thule) on the list of weather reports on
Wunderground?  I would guess that maybe it's just the name of the AF
base except that there are other references to it as a <place>, like the
Lonely Planet references.  Anyway, in looking to see what the weather
was like there, I was surprised at how warm many places in Greenland are
here in January.  I was expected more startling <coldness>:

http://www.wunderground.com/global/GL.html

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Ann Borkin wrote:

>That was a good joke.

Good post; good joke.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> There is something odd about Thule.  Like why is it not listed (either
> as Ultima Thule or just Thule) on the list of weather reports on
> Wunderground?

> I was surprised at how warm many places in Greenland are
> here in January.

Isn't it Iceland that is most generally thought to be the place where Ultima
Thule is/was?

Kristin

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>us pay most or all of the cost of our academic travel also, meaning that
>we would give second and third and fourth thought to committing
>ourselves to read a paper somewhere like Australia.   That trip to

I tend to plan/budget for the most important conferences, wherever they
are, and I really like to combine academic/personal travel - at the very
least, the academic part of the travel (including transportation there) is
a tax deduction.

RIM told me a long time ago that certain kinds of lx research tend to be
done where academics like to spend their summers.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>  I was surprised at how warm many places in Greenland are
> here in January.
> http://www.wunderground.com/global/GL.html

Now after having opened the site I am surprised at how many *places*,named
with their own names, and evidently the names are actively used, there are
on/in Greenland. I must be more ignorant than I thought.

Or what I thought at all I do not know any more. I worked at night and am
still working, to get rid of a work I've done too long already. So I
wouldn't be surprised if today it's me who is told, Don't post drunk.

Kristin

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> RIM told me a long time ago that certain kinds of lx research tend to be
> done where academics like to spend their summers.

I think that's true in many fields.  Not whole summers necessarily
(unless they involve nice grants).  I think I mentioned last night my
friend Richard, who chooses the lit crit he does based on where he wants
to spend time.  It works well for him.  His bibliography has always been
quite respectable.  Nobody cares how he chooses his specific research
projects.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Isn't it Iceland that is most generally thought to be the place where Ultima
> Thule is/was?

I don't know anything about the legendary place.  I wasn't aware of it
at all until you mentioned it yesterday.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> http://www.wunderground.com/global/GL.html

If I only could understand why, when clicking on "Tips Kangilinnguit" or
"Unbiased reviews of Carey Island", I only get to pages which recommend
Caribbean or LA or New York City trips.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> There's a current place called Thule.  A US Air Force base is there.
> I'm not sure what else is.  Lemme see what googling reveals.

Aha. I opened this message only now.

Kr.

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>I always wish that my students had more of a classical background: Homer
>and Ovid, in particular.  There are very accessible translations
>available, so it doesn't seem impossible.  A Platonic dialog or two
>would help; I assume they get some Shakespearean tragedy.  The Bible
>would be nice (though not necessarily all of the nitty-gritty about how
>the tabernacle ought to be constructed and how to cleanse the various
>sorts of sores).  I don't know if any of that is realistic; it's more
>sort of a wish list.

Milton!

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> There is something odd about Thule.  Like why is it not listed (either
> as Ultima Thule or just Thule) on the list of weather reports on
> Wunderground?  I would guess that maybe it's just the name of the AF
> base

... or just a poetic name of a place? Like Big Apple?

There's no Thule on the nice map either at the site you sent in another
message:

 http://www.lonelyplanet.com/theme/deserts/deserts_ultima.htm

Kristin

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>Airfares are crazy, as we all realize, meaning that it sometimes takes
>research to sniff out the very best deals, but a quick check on the NW
>web page gives figures that are similar to those I've seen many times:
>
>Here <--> Paris:  $540.
>Here <--> Honolulu:  $848.
>
>I've never seen a package deal for Hawaii for less than that, though I
>haven't searched for such things in a good while.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bangor to Honolulu on American Airlines (Expedia's cheapest find):  $771
Bangor to Paris on American and Lufthansa:  $415
Both for week of February 3 - 10.


    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> ... or just a poetic name of a place? Like Big Apple?

I don't know.  I keep finding references to it as if it's a town but
other references that call it a "district."  Here's one that calls it a
town:

|We will also visit the town of Thule from where it is possible to walk
to the Inland |Ice Cap.
from: http://www.scantours.com/GREENLAND_THE_ULTIMA_THULE_CRUISE.htm

Talk about travel costs -- that Thule cruise ain't cheap!

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More on Thule:

***************
 Thule, town, Greenland
(th´l, t´–) (KEY)  or Qaanaaq (känäk´) (KEY) , town (1995 pop. 627), N
Greenland, on the north
   side of Inglefield Gulf. The name of Thule was originally attached to
the main settlement for the
   Thule Eskimos, founded in 1910 by the arctic explorer Knud Rasmussen
as a trading post on the
   south side of Wolstenholme Fjord at the site of the present-day Thule
Air Base. Built during World
   War II, the base was greatly expanded after 1951. The Thule Eskimos
were forced to move the
   settlement of Thule (as well as the name) c.62 mi (100 km) to
Qaanaaq. The site of Thule Air Base
   is officially named Pituffik. Pituffik is also a base for Danish and
U.S. scientific operations on the ice
   sheet and serves as the airport for Greenland NW of Cape York.
***************

from: http://www.bartleby.com/65/th/ThuleGrn.html

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Dogsledding in Thule:

http://www.greenland-guide.dk/greenlandtravel/gt-pages/rejse-tur1018.htm

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

>   Here's one that calls it a
> town:
>
> |We will also visit the town of Thule from where it is possible to walk
> to the Inland |Ice Cap.
> from: http://www.scantours.com/GREENLAND_THE_ULTIMA_THULE_CRUISE.htm

But I see here Thule (QAANAAQ). And the same name, surely Inuit name, is on
the map at the text. So, it has two names - which doesn't help me at how to
categorize the name Thule in this case.

Somehow I guess, Espen can explain it. He just will give a sigh soon, and
tell us everything.

> Talk about travel costs -- that Thule cruise ain't cheap!

Perhaps it is such a hot place - no reason to lower prices.

Kristin

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Perhaps it is such a hot place - no reason to lower prices.

Or, cool - as you like it :)

Kr.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Somehow I guess, Espen can explain it. He just will give a sigh soon, and
> tell us everything.

That is exactly what I was thinking a few minutes ago!

Where are you, Espen?  We need you.

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > Perhaps it is such a hot place - no reason to lower prices.
>
> Or, cool - as you like it :)

I liked the "hot."  After all, something I read somewhere called it a
desert.

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We may be talking about travel and professions and all the usual stuff,
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At 02:41 AM 1/11/2003 -0500, d.m. wrote:
>I find that very difficult to believe but don't have time nor
>inclination to research it to see, since I don't plan any
>of those trips.  Our cost to fly to Hawaii has varied very
>little for many years, at most between $500-625.  A
>package deal would cost the same and cover both
>air fare and hotel.

I don't about the Far East, but one can ticket a Boston-Rome flight
(British Air) for $199; other flights to Europe are in the same
range.  It's one of those buy now, fly before the end of April things. In
scanning the various prices, it is not unusual to find that it would be
cheaper for us to fly to Europe than to fly to, say, Seattle.

cwv

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At 02:41 AM 1/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/10/2003 4:30:53 PM Central Standard Time,
>natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:
>
>
> >
> > It might have to do with being poor academics.  The cost of going to
> > Hawaii is normally much, much higher than the cost of going to France or
> > Germany or Hungary or Thailand or the various other places my friends
> > regularly go.
> >
> > --
> > -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net
>
>I find that very difficult to believe but don't have time nor
>inclination to research it to see, since I don't plan any
>of those trips.  Our cost to fly to Hawaii has varied very
>little for many years, at most between $500-625.  A
>package deal would cost the same and cover both
>air fare and hotel.
.
The New York Times is doing Hawaii in their travel section. (Manta rays,
volcanoes, tropical trails.) I think Bonnie would love hiking around and
enjoying the views.

Betty

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BioCurex PRESS RELEASE
Source: BioCurex, Inc.

January 9, 2003

OTCBB Listed BioTech Companies BOCX & RJVN -
Creating a Non-Toxic Therapeutic Antibody Cancer
Treatment That May Arrest Development and Replication
of Cancerous Cells.

Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif., January 9, 2003 BioCurex,
Inc., (OTC BB:BOCX), Announces further developments
relating to its licensing agreement with BioKinetix,
a company being acquired by RJV Networks, Inc.,
(OTC BB : RJVN).

BioCurex and RJV networks (through Biokinetix) are
behind the development of a new therapeutic product,
which experts believe will arrest the development of
and replication of cancerous cells that cause the
growth of malignant tumors.

BOCX's proprietary technology has identified a New
Widespread Cancer marker Molecule named RECAF.
Cancer "markers" are molecules that appear on cancer
cells but not on normal cells and have been hailed as
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If the antibodies prove to be cancer cell specific, it
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Dr. Moro, President of Biocurex stated: "Our ultimate
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has the superantibody technology to kill them. It is only
natural that we join forces in the battle against this
horrible disease. I see tremendous potential for success
in this joint effort.

Dr. John Todd, President of BioKinetix Corporation stated
that Bio Kinetix Corporation's mission is to acquire
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and intellectual property. Then, through a series of
collaborative relationships, we will facilitate the
development of a new generation of monoclonal antibodies
(termed "Superantibodies), which will have a significantly
improved therapeutic potency as anticancer agents.

BioCurex, Inc.
Richard Moro, President

RJV Networks-BioKinetix
Grant Young


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At 06:31 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Airfares are crazy, as we all realize, meaning that it sometimes takes
>research to sniff out the very best deals, but a quick check on the NW
>web page gives figures that are similar to those I've seen many times:
>
>Here <--> Paris:  $540.
>Here <--> Honolulu:  $848.
>
>I've never seen a package deal for Hawaii for less than that, though I
>haven't searched for such things in a good while.

Try pleasant holiday or something like that. There is another one that does
packages, too, but you can purchase air only. (I forgot the name but there
are probably plenty.)  I usually don't like the package deals because it is
"per person". You can usually do better on the land package on your own
because of it if there are two of you traveling.

Betty

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>Try pleasant holiday or something like that. There is another one that does
>packages, too, but you can purchase air only. (I forgot the name but there
>are probably plenty.)      --Betty

pleasantholidays.com    from $299 round trip air to Honolulu.   From Los
Angeles.


    --bonniev

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Betty wrote:

>   I usually don't like the package deals because it is
> "per person". You can usually do better on the land package on your own
> because of it if there are two of you traveling.

There's always just one of me, meaning lodging costs are higher than if
I were splitting the cost with somebody.

--
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bonniev wrote:

> pleasantholidays.com    from $299 round trip air to Honolulu.   From Los
> Angeles.

So just add another $600 or so to get to LA and you've got a deal!

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > pleasantholidays.com    from $299 round trip air to Honolulu.   From Los
> > Angeles.
>
> So just add another $600 or so to get to LA and you've got a deal!

For me it would be $676.50 (from here to LA, I mean).  So that means the
Hawaii fare would be a $975.50.

--
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At 08:38 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> >   I usually don't like the package deals because it is
> > "per person". You can usually do better on the land package on your own
> > because of it if there are two of you traveling.
>
>There's always just one of me, meaning lodging costs are higher than if
>I were splitting the cost with somebody.

True, but worth the additional cost to not have to share, imo. Sometimes I
see the extra cost is a lot and sometimes not so much.  My point was that
buying two packages isn't always the best deal.

Betty

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Karen, I hope you get your computer fixed soon.

Evelyn Duncan
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"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 08:44 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > bonniev wrote:
> >
> > > pleasantholidays.com    from $299 round trip air to Honolulu.   From Los
> > > Angeles.
> >
> > So just add another $600 or so to get to LA and you've got a deal!
>
>For me it would be $676.50 (from here to LA, I mean).  So that means the
>Hawaii fare would be a $975.50.

Bonnie is on the wrong coast for a cheap trip to Hawaii but Europe usually
costs us more. Natalie, you should be checking out flying into Oakland next
week end anyway.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> Natalie, you should be checking out flying into Oakland next
> week end anyway.

**************
 We checked nearby airports and other times, and your search found our
lowest prices.
$1629 airfare
$5 service fee
$1634 trip cost
**************
from:
http://www.orbitz.com/App/ITAFlightSearchResults?xcoord=2&ycoord=3&cache=1042298820312&requestId=873
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Betty wrote:
>
> > Natalie, you should be checking out flying into Oakland next
> > week end anyway.
>
> **************
>  We checked nearby airports and other times, and your search found our
> lowest prices.
> $1629 airfare
> $5 service fee
> $1634 trip cost
> **************
> from:
> http://www.orbitz.com/App/ITAFlightSearchResults?xcoord=2&ycoord=3&cache=1042298820312&requestId=873

Found a better deal.  The above was for Delta all the way.  If I combine
Delta and American, I can do it for around $800:  Delta (whatever its
little connector is called) from here to Atlanta and from Atlanta to NY,
then American from NY to Oakland.

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At 09:32 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Betty wrote:
> >
> > > Natalie, you should be checking out flying into Oakland next
> > > week end anyway.
> >
> > **************
> >  We checked nearby airports and other times, and your search found our
> > lowest prices.
> > $1629 airfare
> > $5 service fee
> > $1634 trip cost
> > **************
> > from:
> >
> http://www.orbitz.com/App/ITAFlightSearchResults?xcoord=2&ycoord=3&cache=1
> 042298820312&requestId=873
>
>Found a better deal.  The above was for Delta all the way.  If I combine
>Delta and American, I can do it for around $800:  Delta (whatever its
>little connector is called) from here to Atlanta and from Atlanta to NY,
>then American from NY to Oakland.

See if you can get a better deal into SFO.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> See if you can get a better deal into SFO.

Over $1800.  But I will look next Wednesday at the week's cybersavers,
of course.  I usually look anyway even though I usually can't partake of
them.

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At 09:43 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > See if you can get a better deal into SFO.
>
>Over $1800.  But I will look next Wednesday at the week's cybersavers,
>of course.  I usually look anyway even though I usually can't partake of
>them.

Well, we're worth it and you'll get to see Myles.  If you're just going to
leave your money to the dogs you may as well enjoy the little time you have
left here.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>If I combine Delta and American, I can do it for around $800:  Delta
>(whatever its little connector is called) from here to Atlanta and from
>Atlanta to NY, then American from NY to Oakland.

Remember to check Hotwire, y'all.  I dunno about getting from Starkville to
ATL, Natalie, but Hotwire's got ATL<->OAK Feb 3-10 for $233 (with 0 or 1
connections, don't know if/where until you buy).  SFO is cheaper, but by
only $2 in this case.

I've used them a number of times (air/hotel/car), and I've been very happy
with them each time.

Pete

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At 08:36 AM 1/11/2003 -0800, Peter Kaminski wrote:
>Natalie Maynor writes,
>
>>If I combine Delta and American, I can do it for around $800:  Delta
>>(whatever its little connector is called) from here to Atlanta and from
>>Atlanta to NY, then American from NY to Oakland.
>
>Remember to check Hotwire, y'all.  I dunno about getting from Starkville to
>ATL, Natalie, but Hotwire's got ATL<->OAK Feb 3-10 for $233 (with 0 or 1
>connections, don't know if/where until you buy).  SFO is cheaper, but by
>only $2 in this case.
>
>I've used them a number of times (air/hotel/car), and I've been very happy
>with them each time.
>
>Pete


Pete!  Are you going to be able to make the trip to Santa Rosa next week
end?  Ann?

Betty

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In a message dated 1/11/2003 7:36:45 AM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:


>
> Bangor to Honolulu on American Airlines (Expedia's cheapest find):  $771
> Bangor to Paris on American and Lufthansa:  $415
> Both for week of February 3 - 10.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

I must not be very patient with finding fares on the net.
When we flew to Florida a while back I was finding fares
on the net listed at $1200.  My travel agent got it for me
at $228.  She always gets me Hawaii fares cheaper than
those listed on the net as well.  I did have good luck with
car rental on the net though.  Hit a Hawaii special and
we have our car for a basic fee of $16 a day.

                  - D. M.

          - D. M.

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I am not impressed with Hotwire.  First I noticed that you have to click
a box giving the maximum number of connections you'll accept, but you
can't choose a number higher than 2.  That cuts way, way down on
possible flights you might be able to find.  And here's the price they
came up with for me for going to Oakland for the list event:  $2,093.

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At 08:59 AM 1/11/2003 -0800, Ann Borkin wrote:
> > Pete!  Are you going to be able to make the trip to Santa Rosa next week
> > end?  Ann?
>
>Yes, at least for a while.  I will be the designated driver.  I usually
>count on getting a bit buzzy at such gatherings so if I'm not having any
>fun sober I'm getting outa there before the group hugs start.

Oh, good.  I invited Lorinda and Kevin but found out that they will not be
in town that week end so I don't have to behave myself.  They have often
wondered about this list. I still laugh when I think about Ryan hanging up
on John when he identified himself as John Williams.  He thought it was a
crank call.

Betty

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Betty writes,

>Pete!  Are you going to be able to make the trip to Santa Rosa next week
>end?

I'd really like to, but probably not.  Our startup got jammed into high
gear this week, and if things continue to go well, is going to soak up much
spare time (but not, I will endeavor this time, lots of sleep time -- I
shall need a new acronym).

This week I was a (Silicon) Valley Mentor for the good folks in the Wharton
Fellows program <http://fellows.wharton.upenn.edu/details.html> in the
"Foundations II" section.

The program consists of a couple dozen top-notch executives from businesses
all over the world getting re-energized about business, with intimate talks
at big Silicon Valley companies, and lots of thinking and talking about
business transformation.  A few Valley Mentors come along for the ride and
provide personal Silicon Valley insider perspectives.  This was my second
time being a Valley Mentor in the program, and like last time, it was very
exciting and inspiring.

Pete

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> I am not impressed with Hotwire.  First I noticed that you have to click
> a box giving the maximum number of connections you'll accept, but you
> can't choose a number higher than 2.  That cuts way, way down on
> possible flights you might be able to find.  And here's the price they
> came up with for me for going to Oakland for the list event:  $2,093.

And -- this is really absurd:  They won't even tell you anything about
the flight times until after you purchase the ticket.  All in all, my
conclusion is that Hotwire <sux>.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I must not be very patient with finding fares on the net.
> When we flew to Florida a while back I was finding fares
> on the net listed at $1200.  My travel agent got it for me
> at $228.  She always gets me Hawaii fares cheaper than
> those listed on the net as well.

My experiences with travel agents are the opposite.  Their prices for me
are way over what I can find the same ticket for on my own.  So if I
have to use a travel agent, I do the research myself so that I can tell
the travel agent about the deal I've found.  That way using a travel
agent costs me only an extra $10 (the fee the ones here charge) instead
of hundreds more.

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mem writes,

>Click the link below to view "USA Patriot Art: Cartooning and Free
>Speech in War Time"

Thanks, mem.

Maybe I was emotionally predisposed by news on the list, but I ended up
crying halfway through, and had to stop reading.

It's not funny anymore.

Pete

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>  I dunno about getting from Starkville to
> ATL, Natalie,

$623 from here to Atlanta.  (That's on NW via Memphis.)

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Be well soon, Alyce.

Pete

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> Pete!  Are you going to be able to make the trip to Santa Rosa next week
> end?  Ann?

Yes, at least for a while.  I will be the designated driver.  I usually
count on getting a bit buzzy at such gatherings so if I'm not having any
fun sober I'm getting outa there before the group hugs start.

Ann

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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> Remember to check Hotwire, y'all.

I stick to NW, but in this case it didn't have any flights, so it
referred me to Obitz, which is not a site I'm used to and which I didn't
spend much time on poking around.

> I dunno about getting from Starkville to
> ATL, Natalie, but Hotwire's got ATL<->OAK Feb 3-10 for $233 (with 0 or 1
> connections, don't know if/where until you buy).  SFO is cheaper, but by
> only $2 in this case.

But Feb. 3-10 won't help.

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>But Feb. 3-10 won't help.

I was just using those dates as an example -- you can try your own search.

BTW, the Hotwire idea real quick: it's remaindered merchandise, from
high-quality vendors who want to fill empty seats.  I pick Hotwire because
it's high-quality and cheap, without worrying about whether I'll pick up
FFM.  It's more cash-n-carry than that.

To avoid the problem of the remaindered merchandise channel sucking away
customers willing to pay more, Hotwire introduces some randomness into the
deal: you get to pick the days you want to fly, but not the times or the
airline.  This drives some people nuts.

Thank goodness. :)  Personally, I usually find if I'm flying any reasonable
distance, travel sucks up a whole day at either end anyway, so I just block
off the whole day coming and going for it, and Hotwire works out fine.

Again, dates picked arbitrarily as an example:

MEM<->OAK Feb 3-10, $264, 0-1 connections
JAN<->OAK Feb 3-10, $299, 0-1 connections

(and just for completeness, GTR<->OAK Feb 3-10, $2,874, 0-2 connections)

Pete

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Doris Markland wrote:

> I'm thinking, tho, that if others have as hard a time
> joining as I did it might explain why we have no new blood.

I'm glad, Doris, that you have such a good time there -- just wanted to
say this before going home.

Got my work done and sent by e-mail, relief and self-content have not
here yet, but the first signs have shown themselves.

Maybe I'll drop in tomorrow, at least for to get to know about Alyce.
Mail has been rather rare today, I guess it is not error of our server
that I haven't seen her checking in. It'd be better if it were.

Now I'll go home.

Kristin

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Natalie Maynor writes,

>All in all, my conclusion is that Hotwire <sux>.

I'm happy when people think it sux, because then I can get the great
remaindered deals.  YMMV. :)

Pete

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My mental-model Natalie, BTW, is jumping in her car and driving the 160-170
miles to JAN or MEM for a $300 round-trip fare to OAK.

Clearly she needs some tinkering so she thinks more like the real Natalie. :)

Pete

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

> Maybe I'll drop in tomorrow, at least for to get to know about Alyce.
> Mail has been rather rare today, I guess it is not error of our server
> that I haven't seen her checking in. It'd be better if it were.

I sent mail to her son Doug a little while ago, telling him we were
worried about not having heard from her today and asking him to let us
know how she's doing if she can't get to her computer.

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Peter Kaminski wrote:
>
> My mental-model Natalie, BTW, is jumping in her car and driving the 160-170
> miles to JAN or MEM for a $300 round-trip fare to OAK.
>
> Clearly she needs some tinkering so she thinks more like the real Natalie. :)

That depends on the timing.  If I go on Friday, I can't leave until
after classes.  That means Saturday would make more sense.  But I'd need
to know things like the return time since I really can't drive on
highways after dark.  I'm at risk even driving around town after dark.

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PS:  And SFO is often on the NW cybersavers for around $200 from MEM.
And you get to choose the flights from those available before committing
yourself.  Iow, you can look at the times and think about the
feasibility of the drive to Memphis.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> I stick to NW, but in this case it didn't have any flights, so it
> referred me to Obitz, which is not a site I'm used to and which I didn't

O*r*bitz. Obitz is a little too Freudian.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Jennifer Thompson said:
> Karen writes:
>
> I left [academia]. (I also had a 4-4 teaching schedule.)
>
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>
> So are you more thankful now?  I ask this seriously, having considered
> leaving the profession many times.

This is a tricky time to ask me this question; I'm coming up on my
2-year anniversary of being unemployed.  I wouldn't say I'm more
thankful than I was before, but I do think I was much happier as a
technical writer than I was as an academic. I felt like my academic
life was sucking up the time I needed for a Real Life. I felt
constrained because I was living in a small town and the only people I
ever saw were all academics. I never had any time to read or explore
things that I wanted to, and now I do.

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan said:
> Karen, I hope you get your computer fixed soon.

Well, I have a new disk and I've re-installed the new OS. Currently,
my efforts are concentrated on getting the damaged disk to be
readable.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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From: "Jennifer Thompson" <georgwilhelm@earthlink.net>
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The small-town dynamic is a big downside of the academic life -- I
suppose that's why everyone on this list discusses airfares so
enthusiastically.  It's difficult being in Daytona, which isn't
precisely small.  And I do feel like my work and life are impossibly
intertwined (thus the blog).  I'm a workaholic, though, and would behave
that way if I were a banker or a secretary.  I'm in it for the security
and flexibility; like a lot of academics, I have a constitutional need
to set my own schedule, and I must have health insurance.

Now that I'm an assistant professor and can pay off my loans, I'm
fundamentally happy; getting here nearly killed me, though.  I wish the
material barriers to the profession weren't so extreme.  You have to
either be independently wealthy or unusually self-abnegating.  Or you
have to have a spouse who makes a rational living (and can make it
anywhere where you might get a job).  Ugh.

Jennifer Thompson
The Antonin Artaud Chair of Cruelty
georgwilhelm@earthlink.net


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Jennifer Thompson said:
> Karen writes:
>
> I left [academia]. (I also had a 4-4 teaching schedule.)
>
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>
> So are you more thankful now?  I ask this seriously, having considered
> leaving the profession many times.

This is a tricky time to ask me this question; I'm coming up on my
2-year anniversary of being unemployed.  I wouldn't say I'm more
thankful than I was before, but I do think I was much happier as a
technical writer than I was as an academic. I felt like my academic
life was sucking up the time I needed for a Real Life. I felt
constrained because I was living in a small town and the only people I
ever saw were all academics. I never had any time to read or explore
things that I wanted to, and now I do.

Karen

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>There's always just one of me, meaning lodging costs are higher than if
>I were splitting the cost with somebody.

There's just one of me, too - so far! - but often I arrange to share a
room in pricier locations. I don't do that anymore for conferences in
which I am heavily involved (I need my space and privacy if I am scheduled
heavily), but I do it for other conferences - for the ABA meeting in
Oahu, I arranged to share a room with another lawyer from Knoxville. We
saw little of each other - but each of us had an inexpensive room.

Bethany

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>For me it would be $676.50 (from here to LA, I mean).  So that means the
>Hawaii fare would be a $975.50.

Try direct from Atlanta instead. But you use FFms anyway, so this is
pointless.

Bethany

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Many people in Knoxville drive to Nashville or Atlanta to get fares that
are hundreds of dollars less that those from Knoxville. There is even a
shuttle service to Nashville. For one thing, Southwest flies from
Nashville. Thus far, I have not found enough of a differnce in my flights
for it to be worth the time, but I always check fares from those two
cities before I buy. We also get discounts throught our UT travel agent -
agents now always match or (usually) beat what I can find on the web.

Bethany

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At 12:17 PM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>PS:  And SFO is often on the NW cybersavers for around $200 from MEM.
>And you get to choose the flights from those available before committing
>yourself.  Iow, you can look at the times and think about the
>feasibility of the drive to Memphis.

And I'll pick you up in SFO.

Betty

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >There's always just one of me, meaning lodging costs are higher than if
> >I were splitting the cost with somebody.
>
> There's just one of me, too - so far! - but often I arrange to share a
> room in pricier locations. I don't do that anymore for conferences in
> which I am heavily involved (I need my space and privacy if I am scheduled
> heavily), but I do it for other conferences - for the ABA meeting in
> Oahu, I arranged to share a room with another lawyer from Knoxville. We
> saw little of each other - but each of us had an inexpensive room.

I'm still talking about pleasure travel.  I've almost always shared
rooms at conferences.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >For me it would be $676.50 (from here to LA, I mean).  So that means the
> >Hawaii fare would be a $975.50.
>
> Try direct from Atlanta instead. But you use FFms anyway, so this is
> pointless.

Why would I want to fly somewhere from Atlanta?  That's a five-hour
drive from here -- in the wrong direction.  Re pointlessness, I thought
the point was that one reason so many of my friends go to Europe and
have never been to Hawaii may be a simple matter of cost.  It's much
cheaper to go to Europe.

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Awhile back we had a discussion about choosing colors to paint rooms in
one's house.  I discovered this morning that Pittsburgh Paints has a web
page where you can see their entire palette of colors and choose a color
for the walls of a bedroom, living room, bath, or kitchen.  You click on a
color and then click on the wall or sofa or trim of the room you have
chosen.  It's rather neat.

    --bonniev

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> Thus far, I have not found enough of a differnce in my flights
> for it to be worth the time, but I always check fares from those two
> cities before I buy.

It used to be the case that driving to Memphis would save money, but for
some crazy reason that's no longer true (except for something like
cybersaver fares).  I usually check the MEM cost out of curiosity and
have found in recent years that it's often *higher* than the fare from
here.  Crazy.  Sort of like I saved a good bit of money by buying a
ticket to Beijing instead of to Tokyo and simply <stopping over> in
Tokyo for many months.  Or like that $600 deal (including hotel and
other stuff) I got to Bangkok spring break of several years ago.
Changed planes at Narita, but flying to Narita instead of to Bangkok
would have cost twice as much.  Etc.

--
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Betty wrote:

> And I'll pick you up in SFO.

You are kind.  But you might want to talk to Elaine before making such
an offer.  Not only did she have to dawdle around there for ages and
ages (my flight was on time -- actually early -- but it didn't have a
parking place and had to sit there at on the tarmac for an hour or so),
but she lost her cell phone in the parking lot.  Moral of the story:
Meeting Natalie at SFO does not have a good history.

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Jennifer Thompson said:
> The small-town dynamic is a big downside of the academic life -- I
> suppose that's why everyone on this list discusses airfares so
> enthusiastically.

I think very few people on this list are actually academics.

> It's difficult being in Daytona, which isn't
> precisely small.  And I do feel like my work and life are impossibly
> intertwined (thus the blog).  I'm a workaholic, though, and would behave
> that way if I were a banker or a secretary.

I thought I would, too, but I didn't.

> I'm in it for the security and flexibility; like a lot of academics,
> I have a constitutional need to set my own schedule, and I must have
> health insurance.

Well, at the moment, I have no health insurance. I think my chance of
getting health insurance again is quite slim.

In terms of setting my own schedule, technical writing has been good
to me.

> I wish the
> material barriers to the profession weren't so extreme.  You have to
> either be independently wealthy or unusually self-abnegating.  Or you
> have to have a spouse who makes a rational living (and can make it
> anywhere where you might get a job).  Ugh.

Yep.

One of the things I really wanted was to be able to live
somewhere I wanted to live instead of somewhere where the only job I
could get was located. *That* has made me extremely happy.

Karen

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:

>I'm still talking about pleasure travel.  I've almost always shared
>rooms at conferences.

I though you were totally opposed to sharing rooms at conferences.

Bethany

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Re pointlessness, I thought
> the point was that one reason so many of my friends go to Europe and
> have never been to Hawaii may be a simple matter of cost.  It's much
> cheaper to go to Europe.

I think it's a matter of interest and preconceptions, too.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Karen Kay wrote:

> One of the things I really wanted was to be able to live
> somewhere I wanted to live instead of somewhere where the only job I
> could get was located. *That* has made me extremely happy.

I've always thought I could live anywhere I wanted to live, assuming I
wasn't picky about the absolutely <perfect> job.  It might be at a small
college instead of a university, and I might get stuck with teaching
nothing but freshman comp and sophomore lit surveys, but there are
schools pretty much everywhere.  Iow, this is not something I would
consider a negative about college teaching.  I've been content here
because I can't think of what the <perfect> place to live would be
anyway.  I love big cities but also appreciate many things about
small-town life.  I like coastal areas but also like mountains and am
happy living on neither a coast nor in the mountains.  I can think of
places, or kinds of places really, I would *not* want to live, of
course.

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:

> >I'm still talking about pleasure travel.  I've almost always shared
> >rooms at conferences.
>
> I though you were totally opposed to sharing rooms at conferences.

Heavens.  There have been only a very few times in my whole career that
I didn't share a room at a conference.  Often I've shared with more
people than should be in a single room -- like that night in Memphis
when I was sharing with Greta and two of her grad students and the man
walked in and stood over my half-asleep self (that didn't really have
anything to do with the number of people sharing the room -- it's just
that I associate that particular conference with that man) or like that
awful SAMLA in Louisville years ago when I had to share a bed with a
snoring giant we had left behind when she was late at our meeting place
and she had caught up with us the next day.  And many other times.  I
swore after that that I would not share a bed again -- that if there was
not a rollaway (as there wasn't when this person finally caught up with
us), I was out of there.

Maybe what you're thinking about was that I mentioned one time not all
that long ago -- as in a couple of years ago maybe -- a conversation I
had in an airport with a young linguist whose name I can't remember who
said that she was willing to pay whatever it cost to not share a room at
a conference -- that she was happier with her own room.  I think I
mentioned that and said that I saw her point and that I was moving in
that direction.  I think that conversation was at the Norfolk Airport,
when Cindy Bernstein and I were talking about how sleepy we were since
we'd stayed up much of the night talking in the room we were sharing.
That's when she was on the verge of changing jobs.  But I did continue
to share rooms a few times after that.  I just couldn't see saying no to
the lit colleague I've often shared rooms with at SAMLA (not either of
the people I was with in the crowded Louisville room).

You and I once shared a room.  I remember it because I remember that you
walked into the room just as I was looking at my laptop computer, where
I was putting a copy of my paper on a disk to give to somebody who had
asked for it, and saying, "SHIIITTT!  I READ THE WRONG PAPER!"  That was
at LAVIS II.  I got confused about which computer had the final copy of
my paper and had printed it from the wrong computer and read the
unfinished paper.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Re pointlessness, I thought
> > the point was that one reason so many of my friends go to Europe and
> > have never been to Hawaii may be a simple matter of cost.  It's much
> > cheaper to go to Europe.
>
> I think it's a matter of interest and preconceptions, too.

Of course.  But the current discussion was in response to Doris's saying
that she doubted it was cheaper to go to Europe than to Hawaii.

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What is Alyce's telephone situation?  She does have one beside her bed,
right?  I've been thinking about trying to call her, but I'm hesitant
because of not wanting to disturb her.  If she's asleep, I don't want to
wake her up.  If she's up and struggling to make it across the room, I
don't want her to feel that she needs to answer the phone because it
might be something important.  If she's waiting for a call from a doctor
or pharmacist, I don't want to tie up her line.  Etc.  But I am really,
really worried about the fact that we haven't heard from her all day.  I
haven't gotten a response yet to the e-mail I sent Doug.
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In a message dated 1/9/2003 7:35:45 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< I know almost nobody who has been to Hawaii.  I can't think of anybody
at all in my everyday ftf life who has.
 >>
Ditto for me, but I once had the most wonderful Hawaiian (SP?) neighbors when
my ex and I were living in Germany. (army) She and I became best friends
during the 6 years we lived in the same building. She had been a teacher
before she was married too. She always received strange looks from the native
Germans when she went outside in her muumuus (SP)? Theo

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<< alyce cresap said:
> I called to have Spike picked up. I cannot stand the worry of trying to
> care for him right now. Last night he went out at midnite and got
> tangled in bushes and I had to go out to get him and couldn't breathe
> and it was not good. I always can get him back later if and when I am
> able.
 >>
I think you made a very wise decision, Alyce.
I have a very unhappy kitty right now. She has to wear a plastic collar so
she can't rip out her surgery stitches. Of course she doesn't understand the
reason, and I feel sorry for her, but it IS necessary. But this too shall
pass. I'm still preparing for my upcoming move; packing , etc. I hope I'll
get to my destination without too much trouble. Haven't figured out yet how
to carry the kitty's container into the plane yet. Hopefully, the airport
people will understand that I'm not able to walk without assistance, and
carry something at the same time. Theo

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02003-01-10 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Espen Ore wrote:
> >05:55 10.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
> >>Espen Ore wrote:
> >>>20:36 09.01.2003 -0600 skrev Rita Chapman:
> >>>
> >>>>   Well, I did just have my third meeting this year on the topic
> >>>>of eliminating the achievement gap.  Apparently, I'm
> >>>>supposed to be having a brilliant insight any day now.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Academic freedom ... ha ha ha.  I had Dante's Inferno
> >>>>challenged this semester.
> >>>>
> >>>You mean they didn't believe hell is the way Dante describes it?
> >>
> >>     No, as in a parent didn't want me teaching it at all.
> >
> >Now I am curious: was it because it was blasphemic? Obscene? What??
>
>        She thought it was immoral or something.  Yeah, the irony
> almost knocked me over.  Kid's obnoxious.

I think it's immoral. Or should I say--try as I might I just
don't like it very much.

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At 02:34 PM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > And I'll pick you up in SFO.
>
>You are kind.  But you might want to talk to Elaine before making such
>an offer.  Not only did she have to dawdle around there for ages and
>ages (my flight was on time -- actually early -- but it didn't have a
>parking place and had to sit there at on the tarmac for an hour or so),
>but she lost her cell phone in the parking lot.  Moral of the story:
>Meeting Natalie at SFO does not have a good history.

Okay.  Janet will pick you up!

Betty

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02003-01-10 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> I always wish that my students had more of a classical background:
> Homer and Ovid, in particular.  There are very accessible translations
> available, so it doesn't seem impossible.  A Platonic dialog or two
> would help; I assume they get some Shakespearean tragedy.  The Bible
> would be nice (though not necessarily all of the nitty-gritty about how
> the tabernacle ought to be constructed and how to cleanse the various
> sorts of sores).  I don't know if any of that is realistic; it's more
> sort of a wish list.

How many times are we going to mechanically repeat the same old
litany--and that too based on some half-ass assumption that it's
these books that most influence the way we live. They don't. This
is America, where, like it or not, people think more Indian than
Greek. Yes, without knowing it, just like what's said about "the
classics". Why not teach Indian classics. And teach Shakespeare,
etc. Times have changed.

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02003-01-10 | Jennifer Thompson <georgwilhelm@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:
> I think Ann's right.  You have to have a very odd notion of a good time
> to like academia.  I genuinely enjoy all three aspects of academia:
> teaching, research and service.  When I do committee work, I actually
> feel like I'm fighting the power in some concrete way.  Perhaps
> delusional, but comforting.  With the exception of a few very ugly years
> in the dissertation phase, academia has always reminded me of a Sylvia
> comic strip where a voiceover says, "It's all been a mistake.  You don't
> have to earn a living.  Go home and read a novel."

What a slut!

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02003-01-10 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Just wanted y'all to have Doug's address
> drankin@monm.edu
>
> and my sister Roberta @ 314-822-7264.

I wanted to respond to this but I can't get past the tone.
I don't like the tone of this. Change your tone, Alyce.

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02003-01-11 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Doris Markland wrote:
>
> > Of course there are loving people in academics, and family
> > people.  But I imagine my impression is that more of them
> > are attuned to the world through their intellect than through
> > their heart.
>
> How sad that late-seventeenth-century dissociation of sensibility was!
> Bring back Donne el al!

This can be done if somebody considered teaching Indian classics.

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02003-01-10 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> "Michael E. Macmillan" wrote:
>
> > Click the link below to view "USA Patriot Art: Cartooning and Free
> > Speech in War Time"
> >
> > http://www.aclu.org/cartoons?MX=655&H=0
>
> Here are some more nice ones:
>
> http://zoom.cafepress.com/7/1448347_zoom.jpg
> http://zoom.cafepress.com/3/1289893_zoom.jpg
> http://zoom.cafepress.com/8/1587588_zoom.jpg
> http://zoom.cafepress.com/3/1289943_zoom.jpg

LAME

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Karen:

>  This is a tricky time to ask me this question; I'm coming up on my
>  2-year anniversary of being unemployed.  I wouldn't say I'm more

<gulp>  2 years?! Has it been that long?

-rashmi

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> We may be talking about travel and professions and all the usual stuff,
> but I think most of us are mainly thinking about you this weekend.
> Please check in.

Spent most of day in ER. Pneumonia in right upper lobe, right on top of
the "mass." Couldn't breathe. Had to call 911. So tired. Neighbors still
grand. Nadine brought me home from ER and is free all day Monday to
deliver and pick up from the biopsy. ANd she brought homemade soup.
I started taking antibiotics on Thursday, so they are supposed to kill
the pneumonia.

I feel mostly like being in bed, so if I don't post it may not be bad.
I'll try to check in from time to time just to say I am here.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > One of the things I really wanted was to be able to live
> > somewhere I wanted to live instead of somewhere where the only job I
> > could get was located. *That* has made me extremely happy.
>
> I've always thought I could live anywhere I wanted to live, assuming I
> wasn't picky about the absolutely <perfect> job.

I think this is the difference between Japanese and English.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I feel mostly like being in bed, so if I don't post it may not be bad.

You were just barely saved from having to hear a jangling phone!  For
hours now I've been weighing the risk of waking you or otherwise
inconveniencing you by calling against the worry of not knowing what was
going on.  I was about to give in and call.

Your day sounds far from a jolly, cheerful Saturday, but I'm glad you're
at home with good neighbors and that all is at least sort of ok.

I need to write Doug to tell him to ignore my e-mail.

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My observation is that it's not so much an east/west coast
differentiation but academic/"real world" differences in
travel habits. Very few of my acquaintances in academia
went to the Caribbean islands. My pals out here (esp
twentysomethings) are always going to little islands.
All the time. Repeat visits. Or cruises to Alaska, Hawaii etc.
Europe is considered nice but it's not high on the list.
I'm generalizing here and you'll find exceptions in both
camps but I see distinct differences between the two.

I straddle the divide, and haven't shaken off my grad
school skin in this department.

-rashmi

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
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> at home with good neighbors and that all is at least sort of ok.
>
Thanks. I have skipped through 100s of messages, for which I ask
everyone's forgiveness. I now have chills, so I am going to get under
the blankets for awhile.

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Tushar:

>classics". Why not teach Indian classics.

Like what?

IMO Indian and Greek classics are very similar, in essence.

-rashmi

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Rita's cooking posts had me jonesing for stew all
during the holidays but I wasn't able to get to it.
Today I made "chicken bouillabaisse" from Eric Ripert's
recipe in the NYT. Same ingredients as traditional
bouillabaisse minus the fish - leek, onion, fennel,
garlic, fresh thyme and saffron - the house smells
great and it's yummy yummy yummy. Perfect for
a January weekend.

Thanks for the inspiration, Czarina!

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steph

>But too, I need an out from where I am, and nothing else is going anywhere.
>  So I'm looking at what I used to want to do.  they are so desperate for
>teachers that it seems like it should be a good  place to look.  If I
>actually land an interview or two, and they don't go well, I probably not
>push it too hard.

Good luck!

In the last year two cow orkers with 15+ years in the
business/tech world left to teach middle school science.
They'd been thinking about it for a while and ultimately
it was a combination of burn-out and seeing the writing
on the wall - they could see downsizing headed their way
-  that made them quit. They had to plan 12-18 months
ahead, get certified, all that stuff.  Last I heard both
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Don't quite know what to make of it yet, but George Ryan gave an
electrifying speech today, a few miles from here. Hoo... as always,
the biggest revolutions come from the most hardline traditionalists...

Whatever be the general assessment of the commutation itself, Ryan
made some astonishing, jaw-dropping statements today. There were
the not-so-veiled criticisms of the joke that the death penalty is
practically nationwide. There was the unambiguous statement that the
Illinois system IS BROKEN. There was the quite-clear trashing of the
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A blazing conclusion to an often-subversive term. It feels like
history is accelerating out of control.

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02003-01-11 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> My observation is that it's not so much an east/west coast
> differentiation but academic/"real world" differences in
> travel habits. Very few of my acquaintances in academia
> went to the Caribbean islands. My pals out here (esp
> twentysomethings) are always going to little islands.
> All the time. Repeat visits. Or cruises to Alaska, Hawaii etc.
> Europe is considered nice but it's not high on the list.
> I'm generalizing here and you'll find exceptions in both
> camps but I see distinct differences between the two.

No, it's true. It pisses me off. I am conviced, without real
evidence, admittedly, that they act exactly like "ugly" tourists
to Goa, etc. Not only that, I have seen a few slip into ugly mode
when they find themselves in "caribbean feeling" restaurants etc.

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        Since I live a mere five miles from the forgotten end of
Illinois, Georgie is being thoroughly covered in the local
news here, as well.  I think this is a Clintonesque last
ditch effort for a legacy, but I'm happy that death
sentences are being commuted.  I don't like the death penalty.

Tushar Samant wrote:

> Don't quite know what to make of it yet, but George Ryan gave an
> electrifying speech today, a few miles from here. Hoo... as always,
> the biggest revolutions come from the most hardline traditionalists...
>
> Whatever be the general assessment of the commutation itself, Ryan
> made some astonishing, jaw-dropping statements today. There were
> the not-so-veiled criticisms of the joke that the death penalty is
> practically nationwide. There was the unambiguous statement that the
> Illinois system IS BROKEN. There was the quite-clear trashing of the
> muddled concept of "closure", and--finally--an open statement that
> it's not the state's business. There were the thorough spankings of
> Illinois legislators and media. There was the unequivocal upholding
> of international law. And there were the most astonishingly pregnant
> remarks about eye-for-an-eye thinking and the war (of law enforcement,
> of course).
>
> A blazing conclusion to an often-subversive term. It feels like
> history is accelerating out of control.
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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02003-01-11 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Tushar:
>
> >classics". Why not teach Indian classics.
>
> Like what?

Mahabharat, what else.

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At 10:45 PM 1/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>steph
>
>>But too, I need an out from where I am, and nothing else is going anywhere.
>>  So I'm looking at what I used to want to do.  they are so desperate for
>>teachers that it seems like it should be a good  place to look.  If I
>>actually land an interview or two, and they don't go well, I probably not
>>push it too hard.
>
>Good luck!
>
>In the last year two cow orkers with 15+ years in the
>business/tech world left to teach middle school science.
>They'd been thinking about it for a while and ultimately
>it was a combination of burn-out and seeing the writing
>on the wall - they could see downsizing headed their way
>-  that made them quit. They had to plan 12-18 months
>ahead, get certified, all that stuff.  Last I heard both
>were happy with their choices.

I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.

Betty

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>Speaking of which:  Attention English Professors!  What
>>novels do you wish your students had read before getting to
>>your class?  I'm putting together an independent novel study
>>unit.  I have a lot of the usual suspects, but input from
>>"the other side" would be helpful. I teach freshmen and
>>sophomores.
>>
>
> Doesn't matter to me as long as they've read some of the classics.


        Our curriculum is heavy on the classics, but the nice thing
about indep. study is it exposes them to books we don't get
to and/or have class sets of.  Realistically, one can do a
maximum of six novels in a year, and that's
pedal-to-the-metal.  I'm secretly hoping some kids will
choose the Russians.

        The fun side benefit to putting this together is finding all
the gaps in my own reading.  I had a bunch of gift
certificate money for Amazon and had been hemming and hawing
about what to get with it -- I just ordered eight or so
classics that I've skipped (Wharton, D.H. Lawrence, etc.)
plus some poetry.  I should probably also go back and
re-read stuff I did in high school and don't remember.  I
don't have time for any of this reading now, but summer is
coming!  Wait, I have to take classes this summer... and
three babies are coming ... well, I'll jam it all in
somehow.  I hear the courses I need to take are lightweight,
so they may require little more than minimal effort to get
the A.



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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita's cooking posts had me jonesing for stew all
> during the holidays but I wasn't able to get to it.
> Today I made "chicken bouillabaisse" from Eric Ripert's
> recipe in the NYT. Same ingredients as traditional
> bouillabaisse minus the fish - leek, onion, fennel,
> garlic, fresh thyme and saffron - the house smells
> great and it's yummy yummy yummy. Perfect for
> a January weekend.
>
> Thanks for the inspiration, Czarina!


        You're welcome!  We're having black bean soup with good
store-bought bread tonight (I'm grading papers and didn't
get the chance to make my own bread).  Also quite good for a
cold winter evening.



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        I wish I were closer and could take Spike for awhile for you.

        Alyce and Natalie will no doubt enjoy the fact that I've been
exiled from my bedroom while we host a couple of visiting
redheads.  Roz and Britt (Vinnie's sister and auntie) are
staying the week, and because they like to jump on and off
the bed during the night, I have been banished to the guest
bedroom with the dogs (I'm the pack leader apparently, as
the dogs follow me around).  The jumping doesn't wake me up,
but it bothers Kevin.  In any case, the three of them are
keeping me quite toasty at night and are very considerate
about placing themselves properly so that there's room for
all of us on the bed.

alyce cresap wrote:

> Just wanted y'all to have Doug's address
> drankin@monm.edu
>
> and my sister Roberta @ 314-822-7264.
>
> I called to have Spike picked up. I cannot stand the worry of trying to
> care for him right now. Last night he went out at midnite and got
> tangled in bushes and I had to go out to get him and couldn't breathe
> and it was not good. I always can get him back later if and when I am
> able.
>
> alyce
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
> 518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>
>


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Betty wrote:

> At 10:45 PM 1/11/2003 +0000, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
>> steph
>>
>>> But too, I need an out from where I am, and nothing else is going
>>> anywhere.
>>>  So I'm looking at what I used to want to do.  they are so desperate for
>>> teachers that it seems like it should be a good  place to look.  If I
>>> actually land an interview or two, and they don't go well, I probably
>>> not
>>> push it too hard.
>>
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> In the last year two cow orkers with 15+ years in the
>> business/tech world left to teach middle school science.
>> They'd been thinking about it for a while and ultimately
>> it was a combination of burn-out and seeing the writing
>> on the wall - they could see downsizing headed their way
>> -  that made them quit. They had to plan 12-18 months
>> ahead, get certified, all that stuff.  Last I heard both
>> were happy with their choices.
>
>
> I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
> doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.


        It's not a bad gig if you are good and can get regular
assignments.  The schools around here pay $85/day.  We have
a lot of retirees who sub.  One of the gentlemen at St. B
just retired from Boeing and is a permanant sub at one of
the schools.  I give him lots of activities for the kids.




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>Don't quite know what to make of it yet,

Let me help: He will run against Bush in two years and needs something to
distinguish himself. What better than taking a contrary stance on the death
penalty? It appeases liberals, and lets him out-compassionate the
compassionate conservative Bush.

-aht

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02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> I think this is a Clintonesque last ditch effort for a legacy,

I'd think he already had "legacy" pocketed as far as the death penalty
is concerned.

> I don't like the death penalty.

Maybe he doesn't, either. It has certainly been a joke in Illinois. He
said that there has been no reform to speak of since the reinstatement,
and "closure" and "toughness on crime" have prevailed over the doubts
raised by scientific developments in the field. Codefendants get wildly
varying sentences, prosecutors have powers to pursue highly arbitrary
sentences, defense lawyers are often a joke, and the number of exonerations
is staggering. When everybody knows this, and Ryan says it means the
system is broken, I think he simply says what he believes. And when he
says "tinkering" won't accomplish anything, I tend to agree with it too.
What seems like last ditch may be precisely the right time. He had a
power unique in the US, and he used it to "stop tinkering".

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02003-01-11 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >Don't quite know what to make of it yet,
>
> Let me help: He will run against Bush in two years and needs
> something to distinguish himself.

Excellent analysis ... The Republican party is clearly so
politically dumb as to back George Ryan in two years. They
figure the mood is really damn compasionate in the country ...

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Jennifer Thompson wrote:


> Funny how you get those students every now and then.  At Georgia Tech I
> had a Polish kid who kindly taught me Polish pronunciation (we were
> studying a lot of Holocaust material with Eastern European names
> aplenty).  He knew a lot of Continental philosophy, and never ceased to
> surprise me.  He's an engineer, and told me one day that he has decided
> to build a "smart vibrator."


        Excellent use of his talent.


Oh, and his writing in English was better
> than that of any of the native speakers.  You live for students like
> that.  This fall I had an Italian kid who wrote a fantastic paper on the
> quarrel between Plato and the Sophists.


        Wow.  I actually have quite a few extremely bright freshmen
this year... sophomores far less so.  This is mostly due to
how the English department has courses set up... at the
sophomore level they begin tracking them out (nobody would
call it tracking, but that's the net effect), and I have the
remedials and middle-of-the-roaders.  I love my bright kids,
but the ones I live for are those who take off in terms of
confidence and writing ability while I have them.




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02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> Jennifer Thompson wrote:
>
> >Funny how you get those students every now and then.  At Georgia Tech I
> >had a Polish kid who kindly taught me Polish pronunciation (we were
> >studying a lot of Holocaust material with Eastern European names
> >aplenty).  He knew a lot of Continental philosophy, and never ceased to
> >surprise me.  He's an engineer, and told me one day that he has decided
> >to build a "smart vibrator."
>
> Excellent use of his talent.

How can continental philosophy help in building a smart vibrator?
You speak a nonsense, madam ...

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-11 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
>>>Don't quite know what to make of it yet,
>>>
>>Let me help: He will run against Bush in two years and needs
>>something to distinguish himself.
>>
>
> Excellent analysis ... The Republican party is clearly so
> politically dumb as to back George Ryan in two years. They
> figure the mood is really damn compasionate in the country ...


        Anne is clearly intimately familiar with the trials and
tribulations of George Ryan.




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In a message dated 1/11/2003 3:18:52 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I feel mostly like being in bed, so if I don't post it may not be bad.
I'll try to check in from time to time just to say I am here.
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Don't worry about checking in, Alyce; just concentrate on getting better. I
fully understand that you may not always have enough energy to post messages.
Here are my very best wishes for a speedy recovery. Hang in there the best
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>I think this is a Clintonesque last ditch effort for a legacy,
>>
>
> I'd think he already had "legacy" pocketed as far as the death penalty
> is concerned.


        I don't think the temporary moratorium was enough to ensure a
legacy.  And he wasn't making any recent death penalty
noises until somebody nominated him for the Nobel Prize for
that moratorium.


>>I don't like the death penalty.
>>
>
> Maybe he doesn't, either. It has certainly been a joke in Illinois. He
> said that there has been no reform to speak of since the reinstatement,
> and "closure" and "toughness on crime" have prevailed over the doubts
> raised by scientific developments in the field. Codefendants get wildly
> varying sentences, prosecutors have powers to pursue highly arbitrary
> sentences, defense lawyers are often a joke, and the number of exonerations
> is staggering. When everybody knows this, and Ryan says it means the
> system is broken, I think he simply says what he believes. And when he
> says "tinkering" won't accomplish anything, I tend to agree with it too.
> What seems like last ditch may be precisely the right time. He had a
> power unique in the US, and he used it to "stop tinkering".


        Well, he has nothing to lose at this point, so he might as
well go nuts.




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>        Anne is clearly intimately familiar with the trials and
>tribulations of George Ryan.

Actually I never heard of him before today.

-aht

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Anne Toal wrote:

>>        Anne is clearly intimately familiar with the trials and
>> tribulations of George Ryan.
>
>
> Actually I never heard of him before today.
>


        Explaining your completely off-the-mark comment.




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>        Explaining your completely off-the-mark comment.


I'm confused. When did I make an off-the-mark comment?

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>Let me help: He will run against Bush in two years and needs something to
distinguish himself. What better than taking a contrary stance on the death
penalty? It appeases liberals, and lets him out-compassionate the
compassionate conservative Bush.

>-aht

Ah, -aht! We have cloned. 'Tis perzackly what I said to someone as it was
being reported on my electric teevee.

Somehow I just *knew* this topic would appear on this <service>.

And, anyway -- what the Hell. What difference is it really going to make?

Somehow, though, I feel the liberals will find something to bitch about
anyway. It's what liberals <do>.

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>Today I made "chicken bouillabaisse" from Eric Ripert's
>recipe in the NYT. Same ingredients as traditional
>bouillabaisse minus the fish - leek, onion, fennel,
>garlic, fresh thyme and saffron - the house smells
>great and it's yummy yummy yummy. Perfect for
>a January weekend.      -rashmi

Clyde and I went out to eat last night at Mache Bistro.  It was old home
week again.  James, our favorite waiter from Havana's, was the only
waiter.  Havana's is remodeling their kitchen this winter.  So James waits
tables some weekends at Mache.  I had jambalaya.  God it was
great.   Perfect spicy sauce with rice, mussels, shrimp, garlic sausage,
and a chicken leg.  The sausage was the best.


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Anne Toal wrote:

>>        Explaining your completely off-the-mark comment.
>
>
>
> I'm confused. When did I make an off-the-mark comment?


        One would hardly think somebody who has been forced to not
seek re-election due to numerous bribery and license fee
extortion scandals would make a good presidential candidate
for the republican party.  I could be wrong, though.




--
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02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>02003-01-11 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>>
>>>>Don't quite know what to make of it yet,
>>>>
>>>Let me help: He will run against Bush in two years and needs
>>>something to distinguish himself.
>>
>>Excellent analysis ... The Republican party is clearly so
>>politically dumb as to back George Ryan in two years. They
>>figure the mood is really damn compasionate in the country ...
>
>Anne is clearly intimately familiar with the trials and
>tribulations of George Ryan.

OK, I am not. However, as far as I know, he came in as a staunch
supporter of the death penalty, and has gone out pretty much
dismissing it as a sham. Certainly hints at SOME trials and
tribulations ...

This is the action of someone who is retiring (MAYBE someone who
has had some scandals come up recently). Compare it to the on-the-
make "dirty democrats", and you get the usual fog machine--every
case is different, insult to the families of victims, etc etc ...
Let's at least accept that this is an *unpopular* action. You can't
grandstand with actions which are merely sweeping. They also have
to be a bit popular.

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02003-01-11 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >Anne is clearly intimately familiar with the trials and
> >tribulations of George Ryan.
>
> Actually I never heard of him before today.

Ha ha ha ha ... Nice homework for some snappy political
analysis, "HARWELL"!

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:

>A blazing conclusion to an often-subversive term. It feels like
>history is accelerating out of control.

Yes! I listened to the entire speech. Bravo! He's not quite right about
everything, of course - but we needed this.

Bethany

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>Tushar Samant wrote:
>>
>>>02003-01-11 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Don't quite know what to make of it yet,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Let me help: He will run against Bush in two years and needs
>>>>something to distinguish himself.
>>>>
>>>Excellent analysis ... The Republican party is clearly so
>>>politically dumb as to back George Ryan in two years. They
>>>figure the mood is really damn compasionate in the country ...
>>>
>>Anne is clearly intimately familiar with the trials and
>>tribulations of George Ryan.
>>
>
> OK, I am not. However, as far as I know, he came in as a staunch
> supporter of the death penalty, and has gone out pretty much
> dismissing it as a sham. Certainly hints at SOME trials and
> tribulations ...
>
> This is the action of someone who is retiring (MAYBE someone who
> has had some scandals come up recently). Compare it to the on-the-
> make "dirty democrats", and you get the usual fog machine--every
> case is different, insult to the families of victims, etc etc ...
> Let's at least accept that this is an *unpopular* action. You can't
> grandstand with actions which are merely sweeping. They also have
> to be a bit popular.


        Not if you are setting yourself up for a career change to oh,
say, the lecture circuit or one of those political think tanks.



        I want to work for a think tank some day... I'm sure they're
a horror show, but it just sounds so cool... what is your
job title?  *thinker*.





--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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02003-01-11 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Ah, -aht! We have cloned. 'Tis perzackly what I said to someone
> as it was being reported on my electric teevee.

I hope this makes "-aht" take a stern introspective look at
herself...

> Somehow I just *knew* this topic would appear on this <service>.

True. This service has lost so much diversity in the last few
years!

> And, anyway -- what the Hell. What difference is it really going to make?

It has permanently denied closure to the families of victims.

> Somehow, though, I feel the liberals will find something to bitch about
> anyway. It's what liberals <do>.

A very psychic prediction.

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>don't have time for any of this reading now, but summer is
>coming!  Wait, I have to take classes this summer... and
>three babies are coming ...      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman

What??  Babies???


    --bonniev

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02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
> Not if you are setting yourself up for a career change to oh,
> say, the lecture circuit or one of those political think tanks.'

Damn, didn't think of that. How barbaric to pardon murderers
for a couple of lecturing assignments ...

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>Ha ha ha ha ... Nice homework for some snappy political
>analysis, "HARWELL"!

Actually I find that the most astute political analysts know the least about
the subjects they hold forth on. The more they know, the less they "know."

-aht

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>Clyde and I went out to eat last night at Mache Bistro.  It was old home
>week again.  James, our favorite waiter from Havana's, was the only
waiter.  Havana's is remodeling their kitchen this winter.  So James waits
tables some weekends at Mache.  I had jambalaya.  God it was
great.   Perfect spicy sauce with rice, mussels, shrimp, garlic sausage,
and a chicken leg.  The sausage was the best.

 >   --bonniev

Divine!

Havana's remodeling and Mache's waitron configurations notwithstanding, I
cannot help but wonder how Maine jambalaya (in *winter*, mind you)compares
with what I had in and about Louisiane during Christmas week.

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:
>
> My observation is that it's not so much an east/west coast
> differentiation but academic/"real world" differences in
> travel habits. Very few of my acquaintances in academia
> went to the Caribbean islands. My pals out here (esp
> twentysomethings) are always going to little islands.
> All the time. Repeat visits. Or cruises to Alaska, Hawaii etc.
> Europe is considered nice but it's not high on the list.
> I'm generalizing here and you'll find exceptions in both
> camps but I see distinct differences between the two.

What you say here sounds <right> to me, though I have very little
experience in the "real world" and thus don't have your perspective.  Re
your last sentence, of course things like this are generalizations.  But
generalizations <work> in talking about general trends.

Re cruises, I have a fair number of colleagues who have visited Alaska
(including two who worked there years ago, one of whom visits there
regularly), but nobody in my department would be likely to go on a
cruise to Alaska.  When I went to Alaska, it never entered my mind to
think of a cruise.  If it had entered my mind, I would have zapped it of
course since my trip to Alaska cost very, very little.  Cruises cost a
bundle, especially for single people.  I simply "went to Alaska."

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I'm a sucker for that stuff! :-) Whoever receives this, I don't see any of my
posts getting transmitted. Am I still subscribed? Am I the only one not
receiving them? I'm very puzzled, because I'm getting all the other posts ok.
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Thanks. I have skipped through 100s of messages, for which I ask
> everyone's forgiveness. I now have chills, so I am going to get under
> the blankets for awhile.

You indeed have our forgiveness for skipping things.  Snuggle up under
the blankets and get well.  That's all that matters.

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> A blazing conclusion to an often-subversive term. It feels like
> history is accelerating out of control.

Although I'm not up on Ryan enough to say much, I do like what I hear of
it.  I'm happy for this kind of acceleration of history.  The death
penalty is one of few things in life that I have no wishy-washy feelings
about at all.  It's just plain wrong.

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>I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.

>Betty

Yep. This is a great unintended consequence, methinks. <Alternative
certification> avenues seem to be mushrooming as well.

Good study down the road for someone interested in a d'ert' topic.

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:18:00 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
>Karen:
>
>>  This is a tricky time to ask me this question; I'm coming up on my
>>  2-year anniversary of being unemployed.  I wouldn't say I'm more
>
><gulp>  2 years?! Has it been that long?

2 years in May. My friend Lydia 'celebrates' her two year anniversary in
February, which is why I am focused on it so early.

Karen

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>   In any case, the three of them are
> keeping me quite toasty at night and are very considerate
> about placing themselves properly so that there's room for
> all of us on the bed.

There's nothing better than a three-dog night in winter!

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         It's not a bad gig if you are good and can get regular
> assignments.  The schools around here pay $85/day.  We have
> a lot of retirees who sub.  One of the gentlemen at St. B
> just retired from Boeing and is a permanant sub at one of
> the schools.  I give him lots of activities for the kids.

Hmm.  That might be kind of fun.  The only thing I wouldn't like would
be not knowing until the last minute that I was going to be teaching on
a particular day.  The fact that I'm an early riser would help, of
course.  It's not as if I'd be lying there in bed when the phone rang.
But I still like a bit of <order> in my life.  I do think it might be
fun, though.  I wonder how much in need of subs the Starkville schools
are.

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>Havana's remodeling and Mache's waitron configurations notwithstanding, I
>cannot help but wonder how Maine jambalaya (in *winter*, mind you)compares
>with what I had in and about Louisiane during Christmas week.
>AS

It all depends on the freshness of the ingredients and the skill of the chef.


    --bonniev

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>Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         It's not a bad gig if you are good and can get regular
> > assignments.  The schools around here pay $85/day.

When I was subbing at the Catholic grade school in Muscle Shoals, Alabama
in 1970, the pay was $10 a day.  I guess that was a long time ago.


    --bonniev

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:58:39 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
>doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.

Here, all the school districts have stopped accepting substitutes--And
Austin school district has a hiring freeze.

Karen

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, bonniev wrote:

>It all depends on the freshness of the ingredients and the skill of the chef.

I'd say nature and freshness of the ingredients ...

Bethany

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> I'm a sucker for that stuff! :-) Whoever receives this, I don't
> see any of my
> posts getting transmitted. Am I still subscribed? Am I the only one not
> receiving them? I'm very puzzled, because I'm getting all the
> other posts ok.
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I got this one, and I checked your LISTSERV settings to see if you're set to
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--Adam
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I'm jealous of Rashmi's chicken dish and Bonnie's jambalaya. I was all set
to make my mother's recipe for chicken in sour cream sauce* when I
discovered I was missing a key ingredient and also the cauliflower I serve
it with nowadays instead of pasta.

So instead, I pan-fried the boneless skinless chicken thighs with a liberal
sprinkling of Goya adobo and stir-fried a bunch of frozen vegs. Tasty and
good, but not what I'd been looking forward to having.

--Adam
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* This "recipe" must come straight from 1972. Mix a can of cream of mushroom
soup with a cup of sour cream, add to browned chicken pieces, and simmer for
30 minutes if using boneless chicken or 45 minutes for bone-in chicken. Now
that I think about it, this is the only recipe I have from my mother. I
discovered in college that it's much better when I season the chicken
liberally with Goya adobo.

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bonniev wrote:

> >three babies are coming ...      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>
> What??  Babies???

Little Vinnies, right?  But wait -- how do you know three?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> in 1970, the pay was $10 a day.  I guess that was a long time ago.

Yep.  I made $4000 a year in my first teaching job, and that was
considered way high.  Do you remember your pay at UT?  (Or were you not
a TA?)  Mine was less than $200 a month.  But the fun thing about grad
school is that everybody is poor, that you're at least relatively young,
and that you have fun in spite of poverty.  A
we'll-cook-the-spaghetti-and-you-can-bring-a-$3-jug-of-wine night can be
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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> I wanted to respond to this but I can't get past the tone.
> I don't like the tone of this. Change your tone, Alyce.

The tone was meant to be that if I were not showing up here, you could
contact them to find out why not. Also my sister is neil-berta@juno.com,
fwiw. Like today. I didn't have occasion to say I was going to the ER,
but you could have learned it from family. OK?

alyce
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>Do you remember your pay at UT?  (Or were you not
>a TA?)  Mine was less than $200 a month.  But the fun thing about grad
>school is that everybody is poor, that you're at least relatively young,
>and that you have fun in spite of poverty.   -- Natalie

Yes, I was a TA.  But I don't remember what we got.  In any case, even
then, I had a (relatively) rich husband providing for me.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > I wanted to respond to this but I can't get past the tone.
> > I don't like the tone of this. Change your tone, Alyce.
>
> The tone was meant to be that if I were not showing up here, you could
> contact them to find out why not. Also my sister is neil-berta@juno.com,
> fwiw. Like today. I didn't have occasion to say I was going to the ER,
> but you could have learned it from family. OK?

Far be it from me to speak for Tushar, but my interpretation of his
posting was that it was his way of saying that he cared about you --
that "change your tone" meant "get better right now!"  Or something like
that.  And I think he wrote it before getting far enough into today's
mail to be aware of your scary absense today.

--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> bonniev wrote:
>
>
>>>three babies are coming ...      --Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>>>
>>What??  Babies???
>>
>
> Little Vinnies, right?  But wait -- how do you know three?
>


        Oh, no... nieces and/or nephews.



--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        It's not a bad gig if you are good and can get regular
>>assignments.  The schools around here pay $85/day.  We have
>>a lot of retirees who sub.  One of the gentlemen at St. B
>>just retired from Boeing and is a permanant sub at one of
>>the schools.  I give him lots of activities for the kids.
>>
>
> Hmm.  That might be kind of fun.  The only thing I wouldn't like would
> be not knowing until the last minute that I was going to be teaching on
> a particular day.  The fact that I'm an early riser would help, of
> course.  It's not as if I'd be lying there in bed when the phone rang.
> But I still like a bit of <order> in my life.  I do think it might be
> fun, though.  I wonder how much in need of subs the Starkville schools
> are.
>


        Sometimes teachers know when they'll be out ahead of time.
And good administrators know how to line up subs in advance
when there's crud going through the school.




--
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Far be it from me to speak for Tushar, but my interpretation of his
> posting was that it was his way of saying that he cared about you --

Yes, I gleaned that. I am sorry that my reply tone still wasn't right. I
don't mean to sound snippy. I am appreciative of all messages of cheer
and hope, public and private. I am trying to write in short bursts and
it is not my style and doesn't come out right.

alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > Little Vinnies, right?  But wait -- how do you know three?
>
>         Oh, no... nieces and/or nephews.

Ahh.  How did I get Vinnie into the picture?  Was it because of recent
talk of studding and stuff?

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > Far be it from me to speak for Tushar, but my interpretation of his
> > posting was that it was his way of saying that he cared about you --
>
> Yes, I gleaned that. I am sorry that my reply tone still wasn't right. I

I probably misread the tone.  My brain hasn't been very much in gear in
ages now.

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At 07:34 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:58:39 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
> >I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
> >doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.
>
>Here, all the school districts have stopped accepting substitutes--And
>Austin school district has a hiring freeze.

That's too bad.  I think you would be a good teacher.

Betty

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Rita Chapman said:
>         The fun side benefit to putting this together is finding all
> the gaps in my own reading.

This is part of what one of the book clubs I'm involved is dedicated
to. (The one I read Billy Collins and Tim O'Brien for.)

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Do I have this right? Harwell and Amy think Dubya is going
to have a *Republican* challenger in '04?

And here I was certain there'd be no credible Democratic challenger.
How naive of me.

-rashmi





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Betty said:
> At 07:34 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> >On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:58:39 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
> > >I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
> > >doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.
> >
> >Here, all the school districts have stopped accepting substitutes--And
> >Austin school district has a hiring freeze.
>
> That's too bad.  I think you would be a good teacher.

Thanks. If all goes well, I should start working next week or the week
after, on a short contract writing about potato chip manufucturing
quality control. And actually, I'm up for another job, as well.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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>Do I have this right? Harwell and Amy think Dubya is going
to have a *Republican* challenger in '04?


>-rashmi

In my case, no.

What I thought was that Ryan was laying some fancy footwork/groundwork for
his own future. Didn't give it much thought beyond that -- and couldn't say.

-aht perhaps is ahead of me in terms of *application.*

And you are way ahead of me.

Sorry if I mislead you.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>Little Vinnies, right?  But wait -- how do you know three?
>>>
>>        Oh, no... nieces and/or nephews.
>>
>
> Ahh.  How did I get Vinnie into the picture?  Was it because of recent
> talk of studding and stuff?
>

        Beats me :).



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At 06:13 PM 1/11/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > At 07:34 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, Karen Kay wrote:
> > >On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:58:39 -0800, Betty <bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU>
> wrote:
> > > >I also remember reading here that a lot of tech people out of work are
> > > >doing substitute teaching. The kids will benefit mostly, I think.
> > >
> > >Here, all the school districts have stopped accepting substitutes--And
> > >Austin school district has a hiring freeze.
> >
> > That's too bad.  I think you would be a good teacher.
>
>Thanks. If all goes well, I should start working next week or the week
>after, on a short contract writing about potato chip manufucturing
>quality control. And actually, I'm up for another job, as well.

Good news, Karen.  Wish you the best!

Betty

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In a message dated 1/11/2003 5:40:08 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< I got this one, and I checked your LISTSERV settings to see if you're set
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 4:33:07 PM, toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< 'm confused. When did I make an off-the-mark comment?
I am too. Made perfect sense to me, but perhaps that's because I'm an out of
state resident. AFAIC, being locked up for the rest of your life is far
greater punishment than death. I'm speaking from firsthand knowledge, and I'm
still able to leave my house once a week. Furthermore, I have several rooms
for my use, instead of one cramped prison cell. I would not get any
satisfaction from having someone killed, and I've known more than one person
in my lifetime who would have deserved it by some people's standards;
stealing, physically abusive, etc. My theory is that sooner or later these
people will get their deserved punishment. Theo

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In a message dated 1/11/2003 5:50:27 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< So instead, I pan-fried the boneless skinless chicken thighs with a liberal
sprinkling of Goya adobo and stir-fried a bunch of frozen vegs. Tasty and
good, but not what I'd been looking forward to having.
 >>
What is Goya adobo? I must have been out of mainstream foods too long!
Still waiting for my Dutch smoked eel I ordered. Now don't say *yuck*,
because it's delicious, ask Espen if you don't believe me. VBG Theo

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02003-01-12 | Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Do I have this right? Harwell and Amy think Dubya is going
> to have a *Republican* challenger in '04?

Nope ... We all simply want to be tough and cynical,
because the times demand it.

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At 07:28 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, bethany wrote:
> >It all depends on the freshness of the ingredients and the skill of the
> chef.
>
>I'd say nature and freshness of the ingredients ...

What has "nature" to with it?  Explain.

cwv

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At 11:59 PM 1/11/2003 +0000, amy wrote:

>Divine!
>
>Havana's remodeling and Mache's waitron configurations notwithstanding, I
>cannot help but wonder how Maine jambalaya (in *winter*, mind you)compares
>with what I had in and about Louisiane during Christmas week.

In this day and age, the important limiting factors probably are the
availability of fresh ingredients and the competency of the chef.  Other
ingredients (e.g., sausage, spices, other seasonings) are widely
available.  With the availabilty of fresh shrimp and mussels here and a
very competent chef, I suspect that the difference would be minimal.

cwv

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At 10:04 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, theo wrote:
> >>
>What is Goya adobo? I must have been out of mainstream foods too long!

Adobo is (as far as I can determine) a generic term for a spice/seasoning
mixture containing garlic, onion, black pepper, Mexican oregano, cumin, and
cayenne pepper.  I'm sure that there are variations on that theme.  I have
a small jar of adobo seasoning; I also use chipotle peppers (smoked
jalapenos) in adobo sauce. Goya is a trade name.

cwv

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> 02003-01-11 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> > I think this is a Clintonesque last ditch effort for a legacy,
> I'd think he already had "legacy" pocketed as far as the death penalty
> is concerned.

On another list, somebody from Chicago is saying this is to distract from
scandal of cohorts or associates or subordinates, I forget which.

Sounds kind of far fetched, like the explanations already offered on this
list.

Ann

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >Funny how you get those students every now and then.  At Georgia Tech I
> > >had a Polish kid who kindly taught me Polish pronunciation (we were
> > >studying a lot of Holocaust material with Eastern European names
> > >aplenty).  He knew a lot of Continental philosophy, and never ceased to
> > >surprise me.  He's an engineer, and told me one day that he has decided
> > >to build a "smart vibrator."
> > Excellent use of his talent.
> How can continental philosophy help in building a smart vibrator?
> You speak a nonsense, madam ...

It was a -Polish- smart vibrator.

Ann

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 07:28 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, bethany wrote:
> > >It all depends on the freshness of the ingredients and the skill of the
> > chef.
> >
> >I'd say nature and freshness of the ingredients ...
>
> What has "nature" to with it?  Explain.

Authentic ingredients, is what I think she's driving at.

Karen
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At 11:59 PM 1/11/2003 +0000, amy wrote:

>Havana's remodeling and Mache's waitron configurations notwithstanding, I
>cannot help but wonder how Maine jambalaya (in *winter*, mind you)compares
>with what I had in and about Louisiane during Christmas week.

I always thought that it was spelled Louisiana, but never mind.  At any
rate, while Bonnie was enjoying her jambalaya, I was enjoying sauteed
calamari, followed by duck breast.  I can assure you that the calamari were
every bit as good (if not better) than those served on the pier in
Monterery--at any time of the year.

cwv

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At 11:37 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, clyde w. voigtlander wrote:
>At 11:59 PM 1/11/2003 +0000, amy wrote:
>
>>Havana's remodeling and Mache's waitron configurations notwithstanding, I
>>cannot help but wonder how Maine jambalaya (in *winter*, mind you)compares
>>with what I had in and about Louisiane during Christmas week.
>
>I always thought that it was spelled Louisiana, but never mind.  At any
>rate, while Bonnie was enjoying her jambalaya, I was enjoying sauteed
>calamari, followed by duck breast.  I can assure you that the calamari were
>every bit as good (if not better) than those served on the pier in
>Monterery--at any time of the year.

I always thought it was spelled Monterey.  :-)

Betty

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07:54 11.01.2003 -0500 skrev Bethany K. Dumas:
>On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>us pay most or all of the cost of our academic travel also, meaning that
>>we would give second and third and fourth thought to committing
>>ourselves to read a paper somewhere like Australia.   That trip to
>
>I tend to plan/budget for the most important conferences, wherever they
>are, and I really like to combine academic/personal travel - at the very
>least, the academic part of the travel (including transportation there) is
>a tax deduction.
>
>RIM told me a long time ago that certain kinds of lx research tend to be
>done where academics like to spend their summers.

The department of linguistics at the Univ. of Oslo has specialized in Polynesian languages for many years ...

Espen

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Re: Louisiane


>I always thought that it was spelled Louisiana, but never mind.

Oh, I don't. Actually, 'tis I who should utter "never mind."

Sorry my French/Creole allusion has eluded. Perhaps I must remember *English
only* among the stateside 'Murricans here.

Can't offer any assistance with "Monterery," though.

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16:02 11.01.2003 +0200 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>   Here's one that calls it a
>> town:
>>
>> |We will also visit the town of Thule from where it is possible to walk
>> to the Inland |Ice Cap.
>> from: http://www.scantours.com/GREENLAND_THE_ULTIMA_THULE_CRUISE.htm
>
>But I see here Thule (QAANAAQ). And the same name, surely Inuit name, is on
>the map at the text. So, it has two names - which doesn't help me at how to
>categorize the name Thule in this case.
>
>Somehow I guess, Espen can explain it. He just will give a sigh soon, and
>tell us everything.

Probably not. But around 1930 Norway occupied a part of Eastern Greenland and named it Eirik Raude's Country and even instituted Helge Ingstad as guvernor. Norway lost the case against Denmark in Haag (of course). Helge Ingstad later went to more productive work: he and his wife found Norse artifacts on Newfoundland. Ingstad also lived with inuit and indians in Northern Canada, and there are recordings of songs (and folktales, I believe) which he collected.

For some years there has been a movement in Greenland for independence or at least more independence from Denmark than what they have today. There was an election some months ago and the winner has already ended up in trouble since he had a local shaman purify his offices. Some Greenlanders claim that the US starwars program plan to place antimissil missils in the Thule base, and also Greenlanders say that Denmark has been paid for letting the US have the base (and move by force the local inhabitants) and that Greenland now should have that money from Denmark.

Espen

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>Some Greenlanders claim that the US starwars program plan to place
>antimissil missils in the Thule base, and also Greenlanders say that
>Denmark has been paid for letting the US have the base (and move by force
>the local inhabitants) and that Greenland now should have that money from
>Denmark.

>Espen

Probably a valid concern.

It wouldn't be the first time Denmark has sold some of its holdings to the
U.S. because of military strategic location.

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>Some Greenlanders claim that the US starwars program plan to place
>antimissil missils in the Thule base, and also Greenlanders say that
>Denmark has been paid for letting the US have the base (and move by force
>the local inhabitants) and that Greenland now should have that money from
>Denmark.

>Espen

Probably a valid concern.

It wouldn't be the first time Denmark has sold some of its holdings to the
U.S. because of military strategic location.

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 07:28 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, bethany wrote:
> > >It all depends on the freshness of the ingredients and the skill of the
> > chef.
> >
> >I'd say nature and freshness of the ingredients ...
>
> What has "nature" to with it?  Explain.

My guess was that she might be talking about specific kinds of sausage.
But I don't know.

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08:04 11.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Kristin Sarv wrote:
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>> Somehow I guess, Espen can explain it. He just will give a sigh soon, and
>> tell us everything.
>
>That is exactly what I was thinking a few minutes ago!
>
>Where are you, Espen?  We need you.

I am going skating, soon. And then I plan to make Greek style beans (gigantes).

One person at the National Archive in Oslo managed to get on the wrong plane some years ago. He thought he was going to Trondheim, Norway (from Copenhagen) and he ended up in Søndre Strømfjord.

Espen

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12:49 12.01.2003 +0000 skrev Amy Burns Short:
>>Some Greenlanders claim that the US starwars program plan to place
>>antimissil missils in the Thule base, and also Greenlanders say that
>>Denmark has been paid for letting the US have the base (and move by force
>>the local inhabitants) and that Greenland now should have that money from
>>Denmark.
>
>>Espen
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>Probably a valid concern.
>
>It wouldn't be the first time Denmark has sold some of its holdings to the
>U.S. because of military strategic location.

Certain islands?

Norway in the 1930ies claimed that Greenland had been a Norwegian colony when Norway was united with Denmark in 1396 (or 98?).

Espen

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"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
> and also Greenlanders say that Denmark has been paid for letting the US have the > base (and move by force the local inhabitants) and that Greenland now should have > that money from Denmark.

So what does the name Thule mean to a Norwegian?  The town with the Q
name that the locals were moved to when the base was built?  Just the
base?  The whole region?  Iow, do you think there's a town named Thule,
Greenland, or is there just a US base with that name?  That's what seems
a bit confusing, although apparently the official answer is that it's
the name of the base that was plopped down on top of where the town used
to be and that the town was moved and officially has the name of the
place it was moved to, not Thule.  Iow, there is no town named Thule,
Greenland.

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I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
least it is happening.

alyce

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At 08:47 AM 1/12/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
>coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
>least it is happening.

Thanks, Alyce.

Betty

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
>coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
>least it is happening.

Great - thanks. I wonder if you are remembering to drink enough water
... hydration is important. My mother is getting dehyrated now ... not
good.

Bethany

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On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 08:47:39AM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
= coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
= least it is happening.
=
= alyce

thanks for checking in.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
> coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
> least it is happening.

I'm glad you slept a long time and that it's sunny and that breathing is
happening!

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07:19 12.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>"Espen S. Ore" wrote:
>> and also Greenlanders say that Denmark has been paid for letting the US have the > base (and move by force the local inhabitants) and that Greenland now should have > that money from Denmark.
>
>So what does the name Thule mean to a Norwegian?  The town with the Q
>name that the locals were moved to when the base was built?  Just the
>base?  The whole region?  Iow, do you think there's a town named Thule,

Just the base IMO.

Espen

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I've been further convinced, as of late, of the superior qualities of
cast-iron cookware, preferably that two-three generations old. Just
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Although my mother has always done so, I've but recently discovered the joys
of cooking with a pressure cooker. Any favorite recipes, tips to further
enlighten me?

AS

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Father Christmas has also bestowed Yours Truly with a mini rotisserie. It
awaits, still in its box, for the appropriate confluence of
time/occasion/hunger. I envision its inaugural journey to begin spinning a
boneless leg of lamb.

Any reports of joys/sorrows of such a cooking device joyfully entertained.

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At 03:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Although my mother has always done so, I've but recently discovered the joys
>of cooking with a pressure cooker. Any favorite recipes, tips to further
>enlighten me?

Artichokes are done in ten minutes!

Betty

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At 12:40 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, amy wrote:

>Sorry my French/Creole allusion has eluded. Perhaps I must remember *English
>only* among the stateside 'Murricans here.

how terribly twee.

cwv

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>Any favorite recipes, tips to further>enlighten me?

>Artichokes are done in ten minutes!

>Betty

Yes! We can get them here now, although the prices shoot way up. I'll report
just how much when I find out.

And it can also fast-forward oxtail dishes, as another example!

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Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?

Sounds intriguing.

I think.


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At 03:49 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, Amy Burns Short wrote:
>Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?
>
>Sounds intriguing.
>
>I think.

Yes. One of my favorite dishes is Peanut Quinoa Pilaf.

Betty

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>I've been further convinced, as of late, of the superior qualities of
>cast-iron cookware, preferably that two-three generations old. Just
>*something* about it.      --AS

My jambalaya came to the table in a cast-iron skillet.  Kept it nice and
hot.  We always cook pot roast in a cast-iron, covered pot.


    --bonniev

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>Yes. One of my favorite dishes is Peanut Quinoa Pilaf.

>Betty

Aha. Mind sharing the prep, on/off list? I must hie me to one of the local
dispensers of such grains for an introductory sampling.

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Amy Burns Short writes,

>Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?

Yes.  It's okay, but we didn't add it to our permanent lexicon.

Speaking of grains (or not), we *loved* fresh amaranth leaves for e.g.,
salad, when we used to buy them at the Santa Monica farmer's market.

Pete

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=
= Artichokes are done in ten minutes!
=
= Betty

Now this, I am going to have to remember.

I prefer beans that have been soaked overnight.  But in a pinch,
pressure cooker beats out canned any day.

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On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 03:49:24PM +0000, Amy Burns Short wrote:
= Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?
=

I think we cooked it once but were not impressed.  I saw quinoa
based pasta at the market yesterday, but just went "mm".

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>Speaking of grains (or not), we *loved* fresh amaranth leaves for e.g.,
>salad, when we used to buy them at the Santa Monica farmer's market.

>Pete

This also sounds intriguing.

AS


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Burns Short" <amyb_short@hotmail.com>
> I've been further convinced, as of late, of the superior qualities of
> cast-iron cookware, preferably that two-three generations old. Just
> *something* about it.
>
> AS

I'm with you Aim... A well seasoned cast iron pan is fun to cook with... on
a gas stove.  I wanted to qualify that.  Aside from a few 12s *we can't seem
to let go of the ones we inherit) we also have a 16" fry pan that cooks a
whole pound of bacon, et al...  (Yes, I'm the breakfast cook in the house.)
Copper is also an excellent heat distributing cookware.  Someday I plan to
get a complete copper set.

'Alan

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alyce cresap said:
> I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
> coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
> least it is happening.

Me, too, except it's raining here. Dry coughs suck.

Karen
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Amy Burns Short said:
> Father Christmas has also bestowed Yours Truly with a mini rotisserie. It
> awaits, still in its box, for the appropriate confluence of
> time/occasion/hunger. I envision its inaugural journey to begin spinning a
> boneless leg of lamb.
>
> Any reports of joys/sorrows of such a cooking device joyfully entertained.

I have a Ronco one that I bought used. It does a very good job. I
haven't seen any down side.

Karen
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Amy Burns Short said:
> Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?
>
> Sounds intriguing.
>
> I think.

I would have thought this would be old hat to someone as worldly wise
as you. Even my sister in Rock Island, IL ingests it regularly.

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> I am here.

And I am glad you're here. I think of you every time I cough.:-/

Karen
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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:
>
> >I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
> >coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
> >least it is happening.
>
> Great - thanks. I wonder if you are remembering to drink enough water
> ... hydration is important. My mother is getting dehyrated now ... not
> good.
>
I have a bottle of water. I am munching crackers and drinking water.
Will soon have some soup.  Nadine just came over for a little bit and I
went up to shower and wash my hair, way overdue, but I was afraid to go
up there alone in case I fell or didn't breathe or something.

alyce
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Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> And I am glad you're here. I think of you every time I cough.:-/

I am sorry that you have a cough. I would like to have more of them. But
not dry.

alyce


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you would be meaning:

http://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament/index.html


On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 10:05:58AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Karen
= "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
= A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  I am sorry that my reply tone still wasn't right. I
> don't mean to sound snippy.

You *never* sound snippy!

I guess I knew it from the very first messages when I joined the list. Yours
were about how thin you were (but it wasn't a problem of health then), a
verse (limerick?) was added about a thin Alyce who had bath and went down
through the hole together with water, and then you were named, either by
yourself or another meeber, as Alyce Thistlebottom which made all meebers
giggle, me, too, but I must say I haven't found out till today where this
Thistlebottom name came from. It sounded as if it had some literary source.

Kristin

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>I have a Ronco one that I bought used. It does a very good job. I
haven't seen any down side.

>Karen

Excellent!

That's what I like: Things Without a Down Side.

I continue to add such tangibles and intangibles to my collection.

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Espen S. Ore wrote:

>The department of linguistics at the Univ. of Oslo has specialized in
Polynesian languages for many years ...

makes sense to me ...

Bethany

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>I would have thought this would be old hat to someone as worldly wise
as you.

True. I continue to amaze even myself on this point. :).

However, Yours Truly has not always deigned to invest a lot of her
time/interest on "healthy" grains/seeds and the like. Among other areas.
Pardon a mortal err, if you will.

>Even my sister in Rock Island, IL ingests it regularly.

Now *that's* an stone-set comparison if there ever was one! :).

I'd better get with the program!

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bonniev wrote:

>  I discovered this morning that Pittsburgh Paints has a web
> page where you can see their entire palette of colors and choose a color

It's wonderful!

It's a pity, though, that I cannot choose diffrent colours for different walls
there. There are options for upper and lower walls, but I guess I'll play with
it much during coming months. I have a crazy idea of painting one wall, or at
least a part of it, navy blue. And radiator, too. And the other walls in that
room maybe light yellow and light blue. It is a small room, but I think I'll
have courage to do it.

Kristin

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > And I am glad you're here. I think of you every time I cough.:-/
>
> I am sorry that you have a cough. I would like to have more of them. But
> not dry.

And I wish them for you.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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How to Win a Rhodes

January 12, 2003
By MICHAEL WINERIP




At 100 years old, the Rhodes is the granddaddy of all
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<center><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>D</font></font><font size=+3>ANCEFESTIVAL</font><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>S</font></font><font size=+3>EASON
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<center><b><font color="#FFCC00"><font size=+4>Prague Festival Dance Prize
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FFCC00"><font size=+2>which will be held in Prague
from 17th April to&nbsp; 21th April 2003</font></font></b></center>
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<center><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+4>Dance Grand Prix "Italia"
2003</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>which will be heldeld in Italy
from 19th to 24th June 2003</font></font></b></center>
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<p><b><font size=+2>International Event Competition for Ballet Contemporary-Modern-Hip
Hop-Latin-Swing-Folk- Tap</font></b>
<br><b><font size=+2>Schools, Companies and Dance-Theatrical Educational
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<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+2>PREVIOUS WINNERS OF DANCEFESTIVALS
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<p><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1998 - "Centro Studio Danza e
Movimento" FLORENCE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>1999 - "Il Balletto" CastelFranco
Veneto VENICE - ITALY</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2000 - "Academy for Performing
Arts" HONK KONG - CHINA</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2001 - "Uai Qi Dan&ccedil;a"
FORTALEZA - BRAZIL</font></font></b>
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<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>2002 - "Elta Dance Company"
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<br><b><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- "Skip Entertainment" GUAM - USA</font></font></b>
<center><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>2003&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MAYBE</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>YOUR DANCEGROUP!!!!!!</font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b><font size=+2>The deadline to register your group for this incredible
opportunity is the 28 FEBRUARY!!</font></b>
<p><b><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+1>A meeting of dancers, dancelovers,
amateurs and audience&nbsp; from all over the world!!!</font></font></b>
<p><b><font size=+1>All the subject of Therpsichore Art will be in competition!!!</font></b>
<p><b><font size=+1>All the languages in the dressing-rooms of our stages!!!</font></b>
<p><b>A special DANCE OPPORTUNITY in PRAGUE during the Festival:</b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF">the The Ballet Company of the National
Theatre of Prague,</font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF">will present the 18 April, in the the National
Theatre of Prague,</font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#3366FF">the Ballet "SWAN LAKE" choregraphy by M.
Petipa.</font></i></b>
<br><b><i><font color="#000000">&nbsp;(free on charges for every dance
participant to the&nbsp; Prague Festival 2003)</font></i></b></center>

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<br><b><font size=+2>Do not risk the success of your performing groups
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THis business has 1.3 million employees, the largest employer after the
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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> http://www.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/unitedstates/hawaii/
> index.html
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> (all one line)

http://www.tinyurl.com

Karen
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02003-01-12 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Re: Louisiane
>
> >I always thought that it was spelled Louisiana, but never mind.
>
> Oh, I don't. Actually, 'tis I who should utter "never mind."
>
> Sorry my French/Creole allusion has eluded.

slapmafro

> Perhaps I must remember *English only* among the stateside
> 'Murricans here.

I would like to state that "'tis" and "perzackly" are not
*English only*, please avoid them if possible ...

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 6:44:36 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I am here. DOn't feel great. Slept a long time. Very sunny. GOing to get
coffee now and try to eat something. Breathing coould be better, but at
least it is happening.
 >>
That's what I do when I'm ill. Sleep seems to have a healing effect. The
weather is beautiful here too. Sunny with the bluest sky you could ever
imagine. Hope your breathing will improve with every new day. Good thoughts
still going your way; just take it day by day the best you can manage. Theo

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 8:30:42 AM, amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Although my mother has always done so, I've but recently discovered the
joys
of cooking with a pressure cooker. Any favorite recipes, tips to further
enlighten me?
 >>
I just love my pressure cooker, but don't have any recipes for you, sorry.
I had a very old one I had bought many years ago, but the seal had worn out,
so my dau #2 gave me a new one for my birthday last year. It's very different
looking, but the principle is the same. It came with a small recipe booklet,
but it got lost. I just prepare the food the same way I always do, only the
cooking time is much shorter, of course. I think that it retains more
nutrition because of it too.
Theo

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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In church this morning it occurred to me why people make a
hard stop at the end of a line of poetry -- it is how we're
taught to recite the Creed and the Psalms.  For many, church
may be the only place they encounter poetry on a regular
basis. I also think poems with end rhyme contribute to the
problem.

Jennifer, I'm reading your poetics and finding it
interesting.  I find writing poetry a process of making
connections among unlikely sources.  It can take me years or
a few hours to write a poem -- the right sources have to
come together.
--
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Alan Wild wrote:
> I'm with you Aim... A well seasoned cast iron pan is fun to cook with... on
> a gas stove.

Me too. I have two--a 6" for a grilled cheese sandwich or one egg and an
11" (I think) one. Maybe it's 12"--anyway, it is heavy. My pots and pans
are Revere ware with copper bottoms. Nice to use, not nice to polish.

alyce

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They did not play well. A win is win.


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Amy:

>Sorry my French/Creole allusion has eluded. Perhaps I must remember
>*English  only* among the stateside 'Murricans here.

Yeah, that Clyde is such a monolingual statesider. You are *VERY* smart.

hey, what became of your claims of  following Myles' example?
Fell off the wagon?

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Alec:

>They did not play well. A win is win.

I was so afraid of a repeat 4th Q from two weeks ago when they played
the Giants.

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I LOVE Nadine.  I'm glad you were able to shower.  Hope that helped you
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02003-01-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> In church this morning it occurred to me why people make a
> hard stop at the end of a line of poetry -- it is how we're
> taught to recite the Creed and the Psalms.  For many, church
> may be the only place they encounter poetry on a regular
> basis. I also think poems with end rhyme contribute to the
> problem.

Really? Perhaps people make a "hard stop" in imitation of the
hundreds of songs that pour out of the radio all day. Music is
clearly very damaging to poetry ... On the other hand, these
harsh end stops, admittedly bad for poetry, can be of use to
more cynical manipulators--one of the first times I read a poem
at a well-known "slam" mill over here, it was well-received, and
the MC guy came by and said, he really liked, what was it, explo-
ration of new rhythms or whatever. Guess what those new rhythms
were? The singsong pentameter with clunky end-rhymes which has
been discovered as being damaging to English poetry for hundreds
of years. This guy is apparently quite famous in that he has
named himself the inventor of "slams"--what I mean is he is no
newbie, so its being well-received by a bunch of drunks was not
all there was to it. Another time, Lisa (a hard-bitten poetry
pimp in the city) said, despite my nerdy looks and funny accent,
mine was a great reading of ... some poem of hers. Everybody else
fucks it up. My astonishing secret? Stopping at the end of the
line. I don't go about disrespecting poets' line-ending decisions.
I contend, THEY are the nerds, and I testify. It has happened
sufficiently often--a bunch of literary dorks (with cat's eye
glasses) read out stretches of prose-texture in a monotone and
get a prissy meatless applause (a situation which has been
described as the lot of poets in all cultures and all ages,
by the bobo leaders of lameass American poetry, whose erudition
knows no bounds), then someone with a relatively unclenched butt
dares to intone and pause and so on, and is far better received.
What's the lesson here? No, not that the dorks are exploring
rhythms too transcendental for anybody to grasp in one reading.
It's that they have no rhythm. How does that come about? Possibly
by thinking that there exists a problem of such an incredible
character that end rhymes *contribute* to it.

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>>They did not play well. A win is win.
>
>I was so afraid of a repeat 4th Q from two weeks ago when they played
>the Giants.
>
>-rashmi

Well, I hope that Lisa and Marie are happy at the end of this day.  The
49ers having lost in a game that, frankly, they didn't really deserve to be
in, nothing remains for me but to root against the Raiders, a team I love
to hate.

However, the Raiders are a solid team, and unless Gannon goes out of the
game early the Jets aren't a serious threat to them, especially in the
Black Hole.

Ken Miller
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>I LOVE Nadine.  I'm glad you were able to shower.  Hope that helped you
>feel better.  Keep drinking those fluids and keep checking in.
>Sylvia Edwards

Nadine sounds wonderful.  And what a nice name.  Since you are up and about
and with us this afternoon, Alyce, tell us, if you will, who is
Nadine?  She is not the mother of the little boy who comes (or not) to care
for the dog, right?  And what about Spike?  Was he finally picked up to be
cared for elsewhere until you are ready to have him back?  I wish you
strength and good results on your tests tomorrow.


    --bonniev

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At 09:17 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, rashmi wrote:
>Alec:
>
>>They did not play well. A win is win.
>
>I was so afraid of a repeat 4th Q from two weeks ago when they played
>the Giants.

I think that the Falcons are the kind of team that nobody looks
particularly good against.  Having a QB like Vick, they probably have a lot
of practice in containing another such.  I thought the Eagles looked
good---not flashy, but good in fundamental football.  Next week (Tampa
Bay/Eagles) ought to be a very good game.

cwv

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At 01:48 PM 1/12/2003 -0800, ken wrote:

>Well, I hope that Lisa and Marie are happy at the end of this day.  The
>49ers having lost in a game that, frankly, they didn't really deserve to be
>in, nothing remains for me but to root against the Raiders, a team I love
>to hate.

I know the feeling.  However, I have always admired Jerry Rice and Gannon
is an excellent QB.  Still in all, I would like to see a Jets/Titans final.

cwv

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> I LOVE Nadine.  I'm glad you were able to shower.  Hope that helped you
> feel better.  Keep drinking those fluids and keep checking in.

Showers are good. CLean hair is good. I was embarrassingly not clean.
Drinking water and O'Doul's. Eating whatever in no particular order,
just to get food in. Two cups soup, some nuts, small piece chocolate
cake, five glazed donut holes. Hard work. Going to rest now.

alyce


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Nadine lives about a mile down the road. SHe is about 75 and sprightly.
She has become a healer since her husband died about 5-6 years ago. She
is very serious about it, goes to symposia, went to India, practices on
anyone who wants her. She helped me when I had the pneumonias before.
SHe does not touch you, but has you think of colors and stuff and then
you tell them to flow through sore spots, etc. I may employ her again
when I know what my problem is.
She was a music teacher at the G'town school, but has been retired a
long while. We play bridge together. Her family has been here since the
year One, and she is related to almost everyone. If you have Nadine as a
friend, you are worthy. That's me.

Spike was picked up yesterday morning just before the ER run. He seemed
happy enough--he likes riding in cars. I'm sure he will be OK. I still
am looking for him whenever I get up, though.

Lois is Riley's mother. Kevin is Riley's father. Casey and Molly are
Riley's siblings.

RIley got a mediaeval sword for his birthday yesterday and is thrilled.
I guess he is into Gothic maybe. But he seems so sweet and gentle.

alyce

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Tushar Samant writes,

>... a bunch of literary dorks (with cat's eye glasses) read out stretches
>of prose-texture in a monotone and get a prissy meatless applause (a
>situation which has been described as the lot of poets in all cultures and
>all ages, by the bobo leaders of lameass American poetry, whose erudition
>knows no bounds), then someone with a relatively unclenched butt dares to
>intone and pause and so on, and is far better received.

Thank you for this, Tushar.  I'm not sure why, but I feel enlightened. :)

Pete

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Time Magazine (Europe) is running an online poll on which country poses
the
greatest danger to  world peace in 2003:
<A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html">
http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html</A>

As of this writing, the results were:
North Korea 10.7 %
Iraq18.6 %
United States 70.7 %
Total Votes Cast: 58242

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BTW, Jennifer, welcome!

Jennifer and I have never met in person, but share a common friend in NYC
who thought she might like the list, even after hearing my stories about it
being like a noisy family (good, happy stories, don't worry), because it
was about -- get this -- the English language! :)

Pete

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>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>I know the feeling.  However, I have always admired Jerry Rice and Gannon
>is an excellent QB.  Still in all, I would like to see a Jets/Titans final.

No no no. Jets-Eagles.

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Tushar Samant wrote:


> Really? Perhaps people make a "hard stop" in imitation of the
> hundreds of songs that pour out of the radio all day. Music is
> clearly very damaging to poetry ...


        I hear relatively few hard stops in music.


On the other hand, these
> harsh end stops, admittedly bad for poetry, can be of use to
> more cynical manipulators--one of the first times I read a poem
> at a well-known "slam" mill over here, it was well-received, and
> the MC guy came by and said, he really liked, what was it, explo-
> ration of new rhythms or whatever. Guess what those new rhythms
> were? The singsong pentameter with clunky end-rhymes which has
> been discovered as being damaging to English poetry for hundreds
> of years. This guy is apparently quite famous in that he has
> named himself the inventor of "slams"--what I mean is he is no
> newbie, so its being well-received by a bunch of drunks was not
> all there was to it. Another time, Lisa (a hard-bitten poetry
> pimp in the city) said, despite my nerdy looks and funny accent,
> mine was a great reading of ... some poem of hers. Everybody else
> fucks it up. My astonishing secret? Stopping at the end of the
> line. I don't go about disrespecting poets' line-ending decisions.
> I contend, THEY are the nerds, and I testify. It has happened
> sufficiently often--a bunch of literary dorks (with cat's eye
> glasses) read out stretches of prose-texture in a monotone and
> get a prissy meatless applause (a situation which has been
> described as the lot of poets in all cultures and all ages,
> by the bobo leaders of lameass American poetry, whose erudition
> knows no bounds), then someone with a relatively unclenched butt
> dares to intone and pause and so on, and is far better received.
> What's the lesson here? No, not that the dorks are exploring
> rhythms too transcendental for anybody to grasp in one reading.
> It's that they have no rhythm. How does that come about? Possibly
> by thinking that there exists a problem of such an incredible
> character that end rhymes *contribute* to it.


        Tushar, you are full of shit.  Pete, don't listen to him.
Poetry with end rhyme should be read with hard stops.
Poetry written in other meters often should not, e. g. the
noted transcendentalist Shakespeare.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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At 05:42 PM 1/12/2003 -0500, marie wrote:
>>From: "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM>
>>I know the feeling.  However, I have always admired Jerry Rice and Gannon
>>is an excellent QB.  Still in all, I would like to see a Jets/Titans final.
>
>No no no. Jets-Eagles.

Well, for that to happen, the Jets would have to beat the Titans in the
league final.

I've always thought that the Super Bowl was rather anticlimactic.  The
really competitive games usually are in the league semifinals (this week)
and the league championships (next week).  There have been exceptions,
e.g., last year---but generally, the Super Bowl rapidly becomes a yawn.

cwv

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At 05:39 PM 1/12/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>Time Magazine (Europe) is running an online poll on which country poses
>the
>greatest danger to  world peace in 2003:
><A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html">
>http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html</A>
>
>As of this writing, the results were:
>North Korea 10.7 %
>Iraq18.6 %
>United States 70.7 %
>Total Votes Cast: 58242

That seems about right...

cwv

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>Sorry my French/Creole allusion has eluded. Perhaps I must remember
>*English  only* among the stateside 'Murricans here.


>Yeah, that Clyde is such a monolingual statesider. You are *VERY* smart.

Thank you. Hence, my puzzlement over the puzzlement of "Lousiane." Not a big
deal at any rate.

>hey, what became of your claims of  following Myles' example?

Never made *any* claim. Made a tagline comment upon fully emerging from
vacation.

>Fell off the wagon?

Thanks for asking.

Never on one -- unless there's something I missed during an absence.

And what of it, anyway? :).

There are bigger bones to pick, anyway. Or at least I hope so, for the sake
of the pickers.

Peace.

AS

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Rita Chapman writes,

>Tushar, you are full of shit.  Pete, don't listen to him.

I'll let y'all tussle it out about poetry.  I was enlightened sheerly by
his cadence of expression and observations about humanity. :)

Pete

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         Tushar, you are full of shit.  Pete, don't listen to him.
> Poetry with end rhyme should be read with hard stops.
> Poetry written in other meters often should not, e. g. the
> noted transcendentalist Shakespeare.

How about a slight pause but not a hard hard stop, and intonation chosen
according to possible meanings (by choice of reader) but also very subtle?

Ann

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>How about a slight pause but not a hard hard stop, and intonation chosen
according to possible meanings (by choice of reader) but also very subtle?

>Ann

Sounds about right to me.

AS

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>I just love my pressure cooker, but don't have any recipes for you, sorry.

S'okay.

>I had a very old one I had bought many years ago, but the seal had worn
out,
so my dau #2 gave me a new one for my birthday last year. It's very
different
looking, but the principle is the same. It came with a small recipe booklet,
but it got lost. I just prepare the food the same way I always do, only the
cooking time is much shorter, of course. I think that it retains more
nutrition because of it too.

>Theo

A friend gave me one for Christmas. Another friend showed me how to make a
thing or two. My mother's always sort of scared me (an "older" one), so I
just stayed away. It will be fun trying out new things, I think.

AS

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alyce:

Alan Wild wrote:
> I'm with you Aim... A well seasoned cast iron pan is fun to cook with...
on
> a gas stove.

>Me too. I have two--a 6" for a grilled cheese sandwich or one egg and an
11" (I think) one. Maybe it's 12"--anyway, it is heavy.

My pan is a 12-inch. It belonged to my grandmother.

What's a good way to season a new cast-iron pan?

AS

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Amy Burns Short said:
> What's a good way to season a new cast-iron pan?

Instructions should come with the pan. You coat it with oil, then put
it in the oven. I'm sure you can find more details on the web.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Amy Burns Short said:
> What's a good way to season a new cast-iron pan?

>Instructions should come with the pan.

I'm sure they do. But I don't have a new pan. The one I have was seasoned at
least 80 years ago.

>You coat it with oil, then put
it in the oven.

Thank you. What type of oil?

>I'm sure you can find more details on the web.

No doubt. But IMFTATL.

:).

AS

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At 03:18 PM 1/12/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>Amy Burns Short said:
> > What's a good way to season a new cast-iron pan?
>
>Instructions should come with the pan. You coat it with oil, then put
>it in the oven. I'm sure you can find more details on the web.

Yeah, Karen, I think it comes under the category of RTFM.

cwv

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>Instructions should come with the pan. You coat it with oil, then put
>it in the oven. I'm sure you can find more details on the web.


>Yeah, Karen, I think it comes under the category of RTFM.

>cwv

Case in point: IMFTATL.

AS

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> THis business has 1.3 million employees, the largest employer after the
> US government. One of them is Riley's mother Lois.

I bet you've been reading Time.  I glanced at the Wmart article when
walking back from the p.o. with it sometime last week.  Had planned on
reading it (the magazine in general, not just that story) this weekend
but for some reason got into an ignore-the-world-and-read-DonnaTartt
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stuff.  But I've finally gotten into the Donna Tartt book and am
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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
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> I LOVE Nadine.

Me too!  But I'm confused about who she is.  At first I had thought she
was Kevin's wife, but Kevin's wife is named Lois.
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alyce cresap wrote:

> long while. We play bridge together. Her family has been here since the
> year One, and she is related to almost everyone. If you have Nadine as a
> friend, you are worthy. That's me.

Indeed.  I'm very happy Nadine lives in Germantown and that you are her
friend.

> Spike was picked up yesterday morning just before the ER run. He seemed
> happy enough--he likes riding in cars. I'm sure he will be OK. I still
> am looking for him whenever I get up, though.

I'm glad the pickup person came.  I was getting worried when she didn't
show up on schedule.  (Why do I think "she"?  Did you say it was a she?
Somehow I have the Spike-pickerupper pictured in my head as a she, not a
he.)

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Fwiw, I associate pressuer cookers with turnip greens.  Childhood
association.

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>        Tushar, you are full of shit.  Pete, don't listen to him.
>>Poetry with end rhyme should be read with hard stops.
>>Poetry written in other meters often should not, e. g. the
>>noted transcendentalist Shakespeare.
>>
>
> How about a slight pause but not a hard hard stop, and intonation chosen
> according to possible meanings (by choice of reader) but also very subtle?


        How about a careful reading of the poem itself, which whill
tell you where to pause or not pause -- my issue isn't with
hard stops so much as the perception that this is How You
Read Poetry.  Damn hard to stamp out of the kids.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>         How about a careful reading of the poem itself, which whill
> tell you where to pause or not pause -- my issue isn't with
> hard stops so much as the perception that this is How You
> Read Poetry.  Damn hard to stamp out of the kids.

OK but then if you don't pause at all at the line, what's the line for?  I
mean, then reading the poem from the page, you get more than when you hear
it read with the person reading it to you ignoring the line or paying
attention to it only when the poem tells you to.  Doesn't the poem tell
you something by its lines?

Ann

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At 05:42 PM 1/12/2003 -0600, ms. short wrote:
> >Instructions should come with the pan. You coat it with oil, then put
> >it in the oven. I'm sure you can find more details on the web.
>
>
> >Yeah, Karen, I think it comes under the category of RTFM.
>
> >cwv
>
>Case in point: IMFTATL.

Ah.  So the Queen of Twee is amused.  How eleemosynary.

cwv

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At 04:26 PM 1/12/2003 -0800, ann wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >         How about a careful reading of the poem itself, which whill
> > tell you where to pause or not pause -- my issue isn't with
> > hard stops so much as the perception that this is How You
> > Read Poetry.  Damn hard to stamp out of the kids.
>
>OK but then if you don't pause at all at the line, what's the line for?  I
>mean, then reading the poem from the page, you get more than when you hear
>it read with the person reading it to you ignoring the line or paying
>attention to it only when the poem tells you to.  Doesn't the poem tell
>you something by its lines?

I suppose that like many, I began to learn poetry in the "read the line,
stop" mode.  Then, I discovered Benet's "John Brown's Body," which might
not rank as great epic poetry, but certainly opened my eyes to poetry as a
means of story-telling.

Along the same lines, I have a couple of Christmas Carol albums which
feature some very interesting "line-stop" constructions.  Right now, I
can't think of the term, but the style is that of the formed note (or
whatever the correct term is).

cwv

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>I'm glad the pickup person came.  I was getting worried when she didn't
>show up on schedule.  (Why do I think "she"?  Did you say it was a she?
>Somehow I have the Spike-pickerupper pictured in my head as a she, not a
>he.)     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Alyce spoke of talking to <her> husband.


    --bonniev

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Ann Borkin wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>        How about a careful reading of the poem itself, which whill
>>tell you where to pause or not pause -- my issue isn't with
>>hard stops so much as the perception that this is How You
>>Read Poetry.  Damn hard to stamp out of the kids.
>>
>
> OK but then if you don't pause at all at the line, what's the line for?  I
> mean, then reading the poem from the page, you get more than when you hear
> it read with the person reading it to you ignoring the line or paying
> attention to it only when the poem tells you to.  Doesn't the poem tell
> you something by its lines?


        You can write lines that force the reader to the next one,
giving the poem a tumbling, rushed feel.  Or use punctuation
and caesura to indicate where the pauses should be.  The
line is flexible.  It tells you how to read it, but the
language spoken by the line is far more complex than a
simple "stop here."




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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Peter Kaminski wrote:

> BTW, Jennifer, welcome!
>
> Jennifer and I have never met in person, but share a common friend in NYC
> who thought she might like the list, even after hearing my stories about it
> being like a noisy family (good, happy stories, don't worry), because it
> was about -- get this -- the English language! :)


        You're a sneaky pie, Pete.




--
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Amy Burns Short said:
> Amy Burns Short said:
> > What's a good way to season a new cast-iron pan?
>
> >Instructions should come with the pan.
>
> I'm sure they do. But I don't have a new pan. The one I have was seasoned at
> least 80 years ago.

Then why are you asking about a new pan?

> >You coat it with oil, then put
> it in the oven.
>
> Thank you. What type of oil?

I used canola.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Ann Borkin wrote:

> OK but then if you don't pause at all at the line, what's the line for?

I'll leave it to the poets to give <real> answers, but I think the line
is in fact a unit of the poem's sound, though not necessarily of its
sense -- to use the terms I've loved Laurence Perrine for many years for
having <encapsulated> -- in _Sound and Sense_.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >I'm glad the pickup person came.  I was getting worried when she didn't
> >show up on schedule.  (Why do I think "she"?  Did you say it was a she?
> >Somehow I have the Spike-pickerupper pictured in my head as a she, not a
> >he.)     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
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> Alyce spoke of talking to <her> husband.

Ah so.  I knew there must be some reason I had the pickup person
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>Well, for that to happen, the Jets would have to beat the Titans in the
>league final.

2:0x remaining - looks like the Jets are out of it. Sorry, Lisa and Marie.

>  I've always thought that the Super Bowl was rather anticlimactic.  The
>really competitive games usually are in the league semifinals (this week)
>and the league championships (next week).

Yes, yes, these two weeks are my favorite. My interest usually
peaks at the semifinals level. This year I'll stay focused thro' next
week.

>There have been exceptions,  e.g., last year---but generally, the Super
>Bowl rapidly becomes a yawn.

I've been really turned off by the impossible hype surrounding the event
and haven't bothered to watch any of it the last few years - not for the
commercials and certainly not for the game. I feel vindicated given the
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Hej!   If you all are still looking for a good way to season a fry pan, put
oil and popcorn in it, and add a cover.

Make popcorn a few evenings and you're all set...

'Alan... ;-)


----- Original Message -----
> > >Instructions should come with the pan.
> >
> > I'm sure they do. But I don't have a new pan. The one I have was
seasoned at
> > least 80 years ago.
>
> Then why are you asking about a new pan?

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> Thanks. If all goes well, I should start working next week or the week
> after, on a short contract writing about potato chip manufucturing
> quality control. And actually, I'm up for another job, as well.

Good luck! I wonder if the chipmaker will use the Barco Vision automated
vision quality control system. I know it's used for food products. They even
have a special model called the GBM - for Green Bean Machine.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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02003-01-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> You can write lines that force the reader to the next one,
> giving the poem a tumbling, rushed feel.  Or use punctuation
> and caesura to indicate where the pauses should be.

This is true ... Every literary dork thinks he is doing some
such thing or the other, getting "the line" to speak its
"complex language". Usually it's all in his head, and almost
as frequently it's not likely to come out his mouth either.

Given that the exceptional cases happen to be Latinos etc,
I would now like to know if the same constipated monotone
is revered half as much outside of England and America ...

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02003-01-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> >On the other hand, these harsh end stops, admittedly bad for
> >poetry, can be of use to more cynical manipulators [...]
>
> Tushar, you are full of shit.  Pete, don't listen to him.

Don't listen to what? These are simply facts, there's nothing
like listening or not listening about facts ... huh ...

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>I would now like to know if the same constipated monotone
is revered half as much outside of England and America ...

... not to mention outside of Words-L!

AS

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> What is Goya adobo?

It's a spice mixture of salt, pepper, garlic, and oregano.

> Still waiting for my Dutch smoked eel I ordered. Now don't say *yuck*,
> because it's delicious, ask Espen if you don't believe me. VBG Theo

Actually, it sounds good. I love the broiled eel sushi I get as a single
piece as part of the deluxe assortment. The eel and avocado roll is one of
my favorites.

--Adam
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> Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?

I haven't, but my sister Karen in Santa Barbara cooks and eats it regularly.

--Adam
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>Fwiw, I associate pressuer cookers with turnip greens.  Childhood
association.

> -- Natalie

Ah, greens! Of course. A mix would be nice, I think.

AS

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02003-01-12 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >How about a slight pause but not a hard hard stop, and intonation
> >chosen according to possible meanings (by choice of reader) but
> >also very subtle?
> >
> >Ann
>
> Sounds about right to me.

I don't know what to say to this, except that the acme of boboism
is, in a nutshell, to be a trifle disconcerted by "hard hard" and
totally enchanted by "slight" and "very subtle". Now who on earth
does a "hard hard stop"? On the other hand everybody from community
colleges to rich-matrons-only workshops reads like they are on the
Charlie Rose show wearing a shirt of one smaller neck size. Allow
me to relate a humorous words-l story involving Harwell: this was
when Marty posted some excerpts out of a new Bible translation.
Harwell says, she doesn't like God's lines ending in exclamation
marks! Because that, says Harwell, doesn't make it sound serious!
Or elevated! HA HA HA HA ... no dancing or clapping please, this
is a place of worship ...

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02003-01-12 | Amy Burns Short <amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >I would now like to know if the same constipated monotone
> is revered half as much outside of England and America ...
>
> ... not to mention outside of Words-L!

'tis perzackly so

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From: "Adam Hartfield" <adamh1@attbi.com>
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> I have a Ronco one that I bought used. It does a very good job. I
> haven't seen any down side.

The few people I know who have those Showtime (TM) rotisseries swear by
them. I don't do much of that kind of cooking, and plus I have zero
counterspace, so the amusing infomercials haven't swayed me.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Thanks. If all goes well, I should start working next week or the week
> > after, on a short contract writing about potato chip manufucturing
> > quality control. And actually, I'm up for another job, as well.
>
> Good luck! I wonder if the chipmaker will use the Barco Vision automated
> vision quality control system. I know it's used for food products. They even
> have a special model called the GBM - for Green Bean Machine.

I'll find out next week.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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02003-01-12 | Tushar Samant <scribble@POBOX.COM> writes:
> is, in a nutshell, to be a trifle disconcerted by "hard hard" and
> totally enchanted by "slight" and "very subtle". Now who on earth

Apologies, I should say *almost* totally enchanted. It is a shade
tacky to be totally anything, and the best writing is replete with
"almost angry", "almost completely bowled over", "almost pleasurable"
etc.

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02003-01-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> Ah.  So the Queen of Twee is amused.  How eleemosynary.

Put down the O'Douls "Clyde". The typos in this have gone to hell...

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Adam Hartfield said:
> The few people I know who have those Showtime (TM) rotisseries swear by
> them. I don't do much of that kind of cooking, and plus I have zero
> counterspace, so the amusing infomercials haven't swayed me.

I like making a chicken and then eating on it for several days. It
sits in a weird corner of my counter that I wouldn't be doing much
with anyway, since I can't reach that far without standing on a
stool.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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From: "Tushar Samant" <scribble@POBOX.COM>
> 02003-01-12 | "clyde w. voigtlander" <cwv@PANAX.COM> writes:
> > Ah.  So the Queen of Twee is amused.  How eleemosynary.
>
> Put down the O'Douls "Clyde". The typos in this have gone to hell...

Tushe, Tushar.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I like making a chicken and then eating on it for several days. It
> sits in a weird corner of my counter that I wouldn't be doing much
> with anyway, since I can't reach that far without standing on a
> stool.

I'm having a good time picturing Karen climbing onto a stool day after
day and leaning over to take chomps out of the chicken sitting in the
corner of the counter.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I like making a chicken and then eating on it for several days. It
> > sits in a weird corner of my counter that I wouldn't be doing much
> > with anyway, since I can't reach that far without standing on a
> > stool.
>
> I'm having a good time picturing Karen climbing onto a stool day after
> day and leaning over to take chomps out of the chicken sitting in the
> corner of the counter.

Sure, make fun of the sick.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Do you ever watch this, Adam? I've started watching it since I found
out that he's a technical writer.

Karen
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> Do you ever watch this, Adam? I've started watching it since I found
> out that he's a technical writer.

No, I don't. Never heard of it. What time/channel? I don't see it in the
listings for my area.

--Adam
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> 02003-01-12 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
>
>>You can write lines that force the reader to the next one,
>>giving the poem a tumbling, rushed feel.  Or use punctuation
>>and caesura to indicate where the pauses should be.
>>
>
> This is true ... Every literary dork thinks he is doing some
> such thing or the other, getting "the line" to speak its
> "complex language". Usually it's all in his head, and almost
> as frequently it's not likely to come out his mouth either.


        Uh-huh.


> Given that the exceptional cases happen to be Latinos etc,
> I would now like to know if the same constipated monotone
> is revered half as much outside of England and America ...


        Uh-huh.




--
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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Do you ever watch this, Adam? I've started watching it since I found
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>
> No, I don't. Never heard of it. What time/channel? I don't see it in the
> listings for my area.

Sunday nights on Fox, after Malcolm in the Middle.

Karen
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Karen:

>Sure, make fun of the sick.

Oh no. What happened? I thought we weren't supposed to
make fun of you on account of the no-income thang.

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Has anyone tasted the new grilling craze called "drunken chicken?" Evidently it started when someone discovered that by shoving an opened can of beer up a chicken's ass and cooking it on low indirect heat for two hours on the grill, it makes one tasty bird. Then someone decided that it wasn't healthy to eat a bird that had Budweiser spelled out in mirror script on its internal <cavity>, so now there are all these devices to do it safer and better. One is called "Let the Chicken Do The Drinkin." Another is "Tipsy Turvy." I am going to get one that looks like a piece of drill stem pipe welded onto a base made of plate iron in the shape of the State of Texas. It is made in Fort Worth by the Two Step Cooker Company. It's great to be a Texan.

-aht

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Rashmi Murthy said:
> Karen:
>
> >Sure, make fun of the sick.
>
> Oh no. What happened? I thought we weren't supposed to
> make fun of you on account of the no-income thang.

I have some kind of lung thing. It's all due to not smoking, like
Natalie.

Karen
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02003-01-12 | Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> it started when someone discovered that by shoving an opened can
> of beer up a chicken's ass and cooking it on low indirect heat

A delightfully accidental discovery ...

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Somehow I have the Spike-pickerupper pictured in my head as a she, not a
> he.)

Laurie is a she. And I forgot to tell her to take Spike's bed. He
brought it with him and should take it away. It is blue and comfy.

P.S. Nadine is a Democrat and she (like me) does not go to church.

alyce

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Anne Toal said:
> Has anyone tasted the new grilling craze called "drunken chicken?"

It's an old Chinese recipe--at least, something by that name is.

> I am going to get one that looks like a piece of drill stem pipe
> welded onto a base made of plate iron in the shape of the State of
> Texas. It is made in Fort Worth by the Two Step Cooker Company. It's
> great to be a Texan.

Indeed.

Karen
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A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Going to bed. Nadine is picking me up at 9:30 for 10:30 appt. Prolly
won't check in till after, which may be afternoon, allowing for recovery
time--two hours, they suggest maybe.
--
alyce

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02003-01-12 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Going to bed. Nadine is picking me up at 9:30 for 10:30 appt. Prolly
> won't check in till after, which may be afternoon, allowing for recovery
> time--two hours, they suggest maybe.

Good night!

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alyce cresap said:
> Going to bed. Nadine is picking me up at 9:30 for 10:30 appt. Prolly
> won't check in till after, which may be afternoon, allowing for recovery
> time--two hours, they suggest maybe.

I hope it goes well, Alyce, and is nothing major.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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wlm#1  My profile for Dreammates.com was rejected because of the content
of some of my answers.  I don't know if it was the "lonely lady" line or
the "sly granny" one.   My picture was also rejected.  BUT before I was
officially booted, I'd received a message from an interested guy. In
order to respond to him, I'd have to buy "credits.... but I can't buy
credits because I've been put on the inactive list.

wlm#2  I'm reading The Last Girls by Lee Smith.  The book begins at the
Peabody in Memphis and the ducks waddle by.  Four college roommates from
the South are cruising down the Mississippi from Memphis to New Orleans.


--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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> A delightfully accidental discovery ...

Read and learn. If you dare---

http://www.tele.co.jp/teleblue/texas/instruct.htm

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 3:27:40 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Two cups soup, some nuts, small piece chocolate
cake, five glazed donut holes. Hard work. Going to rest now. >>

That would be hard work for me too :-{ Keep up the good work though. Theo

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<< Spike was picked up yesterday morning just before the ER run. He seemed
> happy enough--he likes riding in cars. I'm sure he will be OK. I still
> am looking for him whenever I get up, though.
 >>
I know what you mean, Alyce. My animals have always been so close to me too,
more like family. But you'll get him back as soon as you're better, so just
concentrate on that.
I know it's not easy, but do the best you can. With good thoughts for the
both of you, Theo

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 6:20:46 PM, adamh1@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< Actually, it sounds good. I love the broiled eel sushi I get as a single
piece as part of the deluxe assortment. The eel and avocado roll is one of
my favorites.
 >>
You're the first murican I have known or spoken with who didn't say YUCK! And
it's true; I don't like fish on the whole, except this! BTW, whatever you
did, I'm getting all my posts again, thanks. Theo

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 8:53:23 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< P.S. Nadine is a Democrat and she (like me) does not go to church.
 >>
She sounds like my kinda gal, but then YOU are my kinda gal too! ;->  Theo

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 9:08:19 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Going to bed. Nadine is picking me up at 9:30 for 10:30 appt. Prolly
won't check in till after, which may be afternoon, allowing for recovery
time--two hours, they suggest maybe.
 >>
Here's hoping all went well, and you're feeling better. When I had mine, it
felt o.k., but then, I was in a coma when I stopped breathing, so I never
knew about that part.
All and all, it's much better to breath on your own of course, so hang in
there until that day arrives. Theo

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 9:49:51 AM Central Standard Time,
amyb_short@HOTMAIL.COM writes:


> Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?
>
> Sounds intriguing.
>
> I think.
>
>
> AS
> I've never heard of that.

But has anyone heard of taking Colloidal Silver?
This has been recommended to me for various
things . . particularly a cold or like that.
I'm trying it right now for something I can't
seem to shake.

                        - D. M.

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Doris Markland writes,

>But has anyone heard of taking Colloidal Silver?

Haven't heard anything about it except that it has the potential to cause
agyria.  Persons afflicted turn gray-blue, e.g.,
<http://seercom.com/bluto/glossary/a/argyria.html> or
<http://www.together.net/~rjstan/>.

Please be careful and consult a doctor.

Pete

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In a message dated 1/12/2003 4:56:18 PM Central Standard Time, cwv@PANAX.COM
writes:


> >As of this writing, the results were:
> >North Korea 10.7 %
> >Iraq18.6 %
> >United States 70.7 %
> >Total Votes Cast: 58242
>
> That seems about right...
>
> cwv
>

It sounds like the answer they (anticipated, invited, wanted)
or at least could not have been surprised by, from a European
readership.
                - D. M.

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In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:38:39 AM Central Standard Time,
kaminski@ISTORI.COM writes:


>
> Doris Markland writes,
>
> >But has anyone heard of taking Colloidal Silver?
>
> Haven't heard anything about it except that it has the potential to cause
> agyria.  Persons afflicted turn gray-blue, e.g.,
> <http://seercom.com/bluto/glossary/a/argyria.html> or
> <http://www.together.net/~rjstan/>.
>
> Please be careful and consult a doctor.
>
> Pete
>

Yes, I'm aware that can happen if too much is taken.
One must take it for just a few days and then stop.
(Alsa for the reason that it can kill the good
 bacteria (?) in your system.

        - D. M.

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Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is honorary discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father looking somewhat responsible and serious:

<http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>

Espen

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20:20 12.01.2003 -0500 skrev Adam Hartfield:
>> What is Goya adobo?
>
>It's a spice mixture of salt, pepper, garlic, and oregano.
>
>> Still waiting for my Dutch smoked eel I ordered. Now don't say *yuck*,
>> because it's delicious, ask Espen if you don't believe me. VBG Theo
>
>Actually, it sounds good. I love the broiled eel sushi I get as a single
>piece as part of the deluxe assortment. The eel and avocado roll is one of
>my favorites.

I am going to a naming party for the twins in Bergen in early February. That means I can buy smoked eel in the fish market!

Espen

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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:38:09 +0000, Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>Oh no. What happened? I thought we weren't supposed to
>make fun of you on account of the no-income thang.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say how fucked in the brain I think
George Bush is--and Congress for following him. (For those who aren't
following along, the federal 'unemployment extension' is only an extension
for those who haven't exhausted the current benefits. So if you had 36 of
your 39 weeks, you get an extra 13, but if you had all of your 39 weeks, you
get zip.)

I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too late
to bring you back to the middle class.

Karen

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Going to bed. Nadine is picking me up at 9:30 for 10:30 appt. Prolly
> won't check in till after, which may be afternoon, allowing for recovery
> time--two hours, they suggest maybe.

I hope that by the time I next check list mail you will have checked in
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Espen Ore wrote:
>
> Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is honorary discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father looking somewhat responsible and serious:
>
> <http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>

He looks so young!

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I have some kind of lung thing. It's all due to not smoking, like
> Natalie.

Or because the soldiers guarding your throat were yanked off duty in
your childhood.  Actually, I am happy to report (since it makes me feel
more like one of the gang) that I started getting snotty and sorethroaty
and sneezy late yesterday.  I took a vitamin C and plan to take another
one this morning before leaving for work.

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Why does a beer-holder have to be involved?  Can't you just pour the
beer into the bird?  Back in the days when I sometimes cooked steak on a
grill, I always marinated it in beer first.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> You're the first murican I have known or spoken with who didn't say YUCK! And

To eel?  I don't think it sounds yucky.

I wish this were Eel-Eating Day.  I'm ready for summer heat.  Winter
sux.  I walked out onto my deck a few minutes ago and slipped and slid
on its iciness.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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05:42 13.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
>Espen Ore wrote:
>>
>> Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is honorary discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father looking somewhat responsible and serious:
>>
>> <http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>
>
>He looks so young!

I agree. And I also agree with Steph's comments.

Espen

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> wlm#2  I'm reading The Last Girls by Lee Smith.  The book begins at the
> Peabody in Memphis and the ducks waddle by.  Four college roommates from
> the South are cruising down the Mississippi from Memphis to New Orleans.

Is it non-fiction -- or at least based to some extent on fact?  It rings
a bell with me (a bell of reading soemthing about it, not of reading it
itself).  Wait -- I think I remember the bell.  I think I heard the
author being interviewed on NPR a few months ago.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 09:40:49AM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
= Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is honorary discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father looking somewhat responsible and serious:
=
= <http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>
=

I dunno about the serious part.  he's got a bit of an impish
smile sneaking off there to the left into the shadows.

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I love Quinoa.  I use it in the same way I use rice, but it is especially good in
mushroomy things because the Quinoa also has a very earthy flavor.

BrP





> Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?
>
> Sounds intriguing.
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> I think.
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I believe the "holder" helps keep the bird erect... so that it cooks evenly.


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> Why does a beer-holder have to be involved?  Can't you just pour the
> beer into the bird?  Back in the days when I sometimes cooked steak on a
> grill, I always marinated it in beer first.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> Going to bed. Nadine is picking me up at 9:30 for 10:30 appt. Prolly
> won't check in till after, which may be afternoon, allowing for recovery
> time--two hours, they suggest maybe.
> --
> alyce

My fingers and toes are crossed for the best possible outcome.

BrP

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I hope this is a joke.

BrP



> Has anyone tasted the new grilling craze called "drunken chicken?" Evidently it started when someone discovered that by shoving an opened can of beer up a chicken's ass and cooking it on low indirect heat for two hours on the grill, it makes one tasty bird. Then someone decided that it wasn't
healthy to eat a bird that had Budweiser spelled out in mirror script on its internal <cavity>, so now there are all these devices to do it safer and better. One is called "Let the Chicken Do The Drinkin." Another is "Tipsy Turvy." I am going to get one that looks like a piece of drill stem pipe
welded onto a base made of plate iron in the shape of the State of Texas. It is made in Fort Worth by the Two Step Cooker Company. It's great to be a Texan.
>
> -aht

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I like the idea of a naming party.  I wish it had been part of my tradition. The
Onondagas have a tradition of a party to celebrate a baby's first smile - that's a nice
one too.


BrP




>
> I am going to a naming party for the twins in Bergen in early February. That means I can buy smoked eel in the fish market!
>
> Espen

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08:56 13.01.2003 -0500 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
>I like the idea of a naming party.  I wish it had been part of my tradition. The
>Onondagas have a tradition of a party to celebrate a baby's first smile - that's a nice
>one too.

This is new here too. In my genereation almost everyone was baptized - within the Lutheran state church for most.

Espen

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>But has anyone heard of taking Colloidal Silver?
>This has been recommended to me for various
>things . . particularly a cold or like that.
>I'm trying it right now for something I can't
>seem to shake.                  - D. M.

Yes, there was an article in the New Yorker.  Very bad thing.  Stays in the
body and turns your skin grey.  All over.   You look like a ghost.


    --bonniev

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> 08:56 13.01.2003 -0500 skrev Paul R. Barfoot:
> >I like the idea of a naming party.  I wish it had been part of my tradition. The
> >Onondagas have a tradition of a party to celebrate a baby's first smile - that's a nice
> >one too.
>
> This is new here too. In my genereation almost everyone was baptized - within the Lutheran state church for most.
>
> Espen

ah, I had not thought of it as a substitute for baptism.  I guess baptism is a kind of
naming ceremony - so I guess maybe it was part of my tradition after all.


BrP

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Espen Ore
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>
>
>Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is
>honorary discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father
>looking somewhat responsible and serious:
>
><http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>
>
>Espen
>

Those photos are meant to scare the invaders. Great photo.




alec

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Karen Kay writes,

>I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too late
>to bring you back to the middle class.

Even simpler, he has a unified belief: If You're Not One of Us, You're One
of Them, and God Damn You and All Those Who Look Like You to Hell.

The colloquial form would be FUCK YOU.

Pete

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At 09:40 AM 1/13/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is honorary
>discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father looking somewhat
>responsible and serious:
>
><http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>
>
>Espen

Wonderful!  He has sure grown!

Betty

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> I hope this is a joke.

Why?

> > Has anyone tasted the new grilling craze called "drunken chicken?" Evidently it started when someone discovered that by shoving an opened can of beer up a chicken's ass and cooking it on low indirect heat for two hours on the grill, it makes one tasty bird. Then someone decided that it wasn't
> healthy to eat a bird that had Budweiser spelled out in mirror script on its internal <cavity>, so now there are all these devices to do it safer and better. One is called "Let the Chicken Do The Drinkin." Another is "Tipsy Turvy." I am going to get one that looks like a piece of drill stem pipe
> welded onto a base made of plate iron in the shape of the State of Texas. It is made in Fort Worth by the Two Step Cooker Company. It's great to be a Texan.
> >
> > -aht
>

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> I like the idea of a naming party.  I wish it had been part of my tradition. The
> Onondagas have a tradition of a party to celebrate a baby's first smile - that's a nice
> one too.

Is this for a real smile, or a gassy one?

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > I hope this is a joke.
>
> Why?
>
> > > Has anyone tasted the new grilling craze called "drunken chicken?" Evidently it started when someone discovered that by shoving an opened can of beer up a chicken's ass and cooking it on low indirect heat for two hours on the grill, it makes one tasty bird. Then someone decided that it
wasn't
> > healthy to eat a bird that had Budweiser spelled out in mirror script on its internal <cavity>, so now there are all these devices to do it safer and better. One is called "Let the Chicken Do The Drinkin." Another is "Tipsy Turvy." I am going to get one that looks like a piece of drill stem
pipe
> > welded onto a base made of plate iron in the shape of the State of Texas. It is made in Fort Worth by the Two Step Cooker Company. It's great to be a Texan.
> > >
> > > -aht


It just sounds way too fratboy.  I have a visceral reaction to anything that sounds
fratboy.


BrP

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> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > I like the idea of a naming party.  I wish it had been part of my tradition. The
> > Onondagas have a tradition of a party to celebrate a baby's first smile - that's a nice
> > one too.
>
> Is this for a real smile, or a gassy one?
>
> Karen

Well, since every parent thinks the smile is real and every <visitor> thinks it is just
gas and the parents get to call the party and invite lots of <visitors> - I guess you
can take your pick.


:-)


BrP

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I have some kind of lung thing. It's all due to not smoking, like
> > Natalie.
>
> Or because the soldiers guarding your throat were yanked off duty in
> your childhood.

I really attribute it to living my formative years with two smokers.

Karen
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A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Peter Kaminski said:
> Karen Kay writes,
>
> >I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too late
> >to bring you back to the middle class.
>
> Even simpler, he has a unified belief: If You're Not One of Us, You're One
> of Them, and God Damn You and All Those Who Look Like You to Hell.
>
> The colloquial form would be FUCK YOU.

That's certainly how I took it.

Karen
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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> It just sounds way too fratboy.  I have a visceral reaction to
> anything that sounds fratboy.

Okay.

Have you never seen 'drunken' as an adjective on Chinese menus?

Karen
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>I really attribute it to living my formative years with two smokers.
>Karen

Plus bad genes.  I lived my formative years with two smokers and 28 of my
married years with a pipe smoker.  I seldom get colds and when I do I shake
them fairly quickly.


    --bonniev

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> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > It just sounds way too fratboy.  I have a visceral reaction to
> > anything that sounds fratboy.
>
> Okay.
>
> Have you never seen 'drunken' as an adjective on Chinese menus?
>
> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."


Nope.  I'll have to broaden my awareness.

BrP

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>  Karen Kay writes,
>  >I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too
> late
>  >to bring you back to the middle class.

And that might be true.  Aren't there other programs that kick in when
unemployment benefits run out?  Like welfare?  Food stamps?   What about
the $3000 the Bush administration is offering the unemployed for
retraining?  Could you apply for that?


    --bonniev

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 12:51:33PM +0100, Espen Ore wrote:
= 05:42 13.01.2003 -0600 skrev Natalie Maynor:
= >Espen Ore wrote:
= >>
= >> Or rather, he was in the Navy until Christmas - now he is honorary discharged or whatever the term is. The twins' father looking somewhat responsible and serious:
= >>
= >> <http://home.no.net/espenore/2002/torbj.jpg>
= >
= >He looks so young!
=

He is so young!

= I agree. And I also agree with Steph's comments.
=
= Espen

:-)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>
> > wlm#2  I'm reading The Last Girls by Lee Smith.  The book begins at the
> > Peabody in Memphis and the ducks waddle by.  Four college roommates from
> > the South are cruising down the Mississippi from Memphis to New Orleans.
>
> Is it non-fiction -- or at least based to some extent on fact?  It rings
> a bell with me (a bell of reading soemthing about it, not of reading it
> itself).  Wait -- I think I remember the bell.  I think I heard the
> author being interviewed on NPR a few months ago.

It's fiction, but based on an event from Lee Smith's past.... she and
her college friends rafted down the Mississippi as did the four women in
the novel.

wlm #3  A character from Knoxville was labeled as NOT being from the South.

wlm#4:  The Yankee husband could not possibly understand the
significance of the "Silver War" because he was not from the SOUTH....
even though he did read ALL of Shelby Foote's history of the Civil War.

wlm#5  cat eye glasses were worn by the famous author of romance novels

wlm#6   Bless your heart

--
Sylvia Edwards
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bonniev said:
> >I really attribute it to living my formative years with two smokers.
> >Karen
>
> Plus bad genes.  I lived my formative years with two smokers and 28 of my
> married years with a pipe smoker.  I seldom get colds and when I do I shake
> them fairly quickly.

And perhaps part of it is living alone, too--I don't get exposed to
much. In this case, I suspect the bathroom of Daphene's office
building.

If it's my genes, it's a mutation in this generation. My sibs and I
tend to be prone to lung stuff, but not my mother's or father's sibs
or previous generations that I know of.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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bonniev said:
> >  Karen Kay writes,
> >  >I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too
> > late
> >  >to bring you back to the middle class.
>
> And that might be true.  Aren't there other programs that kick in when
> unemployment benefits run out?  Like welfare?  Food stamps?

Yes--but I could keep my house if I were on unemployment. Not with
welfare.

> What about the $3000 the Bush administration is offering the
> unemployed for retraining?  Could you apply for that?

I didn't hear that this was for retraining--I thought it was for
childcare, etc. during retraining.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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> > What about the $3000 the Bush administration is offering the
> > unemployed for retraining?  Could you apply for that?
>
>I didn't hear that this was for retraining--I thought it was for
>childcare, etc. during retraining.
>Karen

The way I read it, it could be spent for a number of different things while
searching for another job.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay said:
> bonniev said:
> > >  Karen Kay writes,
> > >  >I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too
> > > late
> > >  >to bring you back to the middle class.
> >
> > And that might be true.

I forgot to thank you for your helpful optimism.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Tony Harminc said:
> Now how do you pronounce it, I'd like to know. I've heard everything
> from the obvious English way (stressed on the O) to a sort of French
> sounding KEEN-WA, and of course the proponents of each school give
> That Look to those who say it the other way.

I thought it was KEEN-wa (stress on the KEEN).

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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>From: Rashmi Murthy <rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM>
>2:0x remaining - looks like the Jets are out of it. Sorry, Lisa and Marie.

No, that's sorry *uc*. I'm rooting for the Eagles. I was just hoping for a
good healthy domestic struggle. (okay, okay, I *sorta* like the Jets).

Marie

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>
> Now how do you pronounce it, I'd like to know. I've heard everything
> from the obvious English way (stressed on the O) to a sort of French
> sounding KEEN-WA, and of course the proponents of each school give
> That Look to those who say it the other way.
>
> Tony H.

always heard it KEEN wa  I assumed the name was spanish (S.
American) origin

BrP

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 01:12:46PM -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:

Yay!  Tony's back!

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bonniev said:
> The way I read it, it could be spent for a number of different things while
> searching for another job.

The only thing I need while I am searching for a job is an income.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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On Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 15:49, Amy Burns Short wrote:

> Health-hype aside, has anyone ever tried ingesting quinoa in any form?

Only in pre-packaged breakfast cereal, along with spelt and various
other "ancient grains".

> Sounds intriguing.
>
> I think.

It tastes OK, but I don't know how much is dues to the quinoa.

Now how do you pronounce it, I'd like to know. I've heard everything
from the obvious English way (stressed on the O) to a sort of French
sounding KEEN-WA, and of course the proponents of each school give
That Look to those who say it the other way.

Tony H.

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Karen Kay (re POTUS):

>I guess his opinion is that if you've already lost everything, it's too
>late
>  to bring you back to the middle class.

There is the libertarian pov that unemployment benefits are
bad, period. I've heard many Cato Institute types advocate
against any extension of unemployment. You're supposed to wait
for the tax cuts to stimulate the economy and produce more jobs.

Sad thing is, the think tank guys espousing these views seem
to have steady employment. :(

-rashmi


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>From: Theodora Groothof <Groothof2@AOL.COM>
><< Actually, it sounds good. I love the broiled eel sushi I get as a single
>piece as part of the deluxe assortment. The eel and avocado roll is one of
>my favorites.
>  >>
>You're the first murican I have known or spoken with who didn't say YUCK!
>And
>it's true; I don't like fish on the whole, except this

Count me in too -- and I'm sure many others on the list.

I love broiled eel, and I love smoked fish (trout, salmon, etc.) -- I see no
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>From: Anne Toal <toalanne@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Has anyone tasted the new grilling craze called "drunken chicken?"

Far as I know, it's called "Beer Can Chicken", created by Steven Raichlen,
author of the Barbecue Bible. My next door neighbor makes this in his smoker
many times during the summer. It's fantastic. "Drunken Chicken" is a Chinese
restaurant dish.

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interesting story at:

http://www.quinoa.net/Survivor/survivor.html


BrP

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>From the website http://www.otherkin.net/index.html
Otherkin are essentially people who consider themselves to be not entirely (or
not at all) human, for some reason. So far there seem to be a few main
viewpoints on why a particular person considers themselves something
Other.


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From: Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM>
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:22:54 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot
<prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> wrote:

>>
>> Now how do you pronounce it, I'd like to know. I've heard everything
>> from the obvious English way (stressed on the O) to a sort of French
>> sounding KEEN-WA, and of course the proponents of each school give
>> That Look to those who say it the other way.
>>
>> Tony H.
>
>always heard it KEEN wa  I assumed the name was spanish (S.
>American) origin

I assumed it was a Hispanified Indian word. Like Quechua.

Karen

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In a message dated 01/13/2003 1:40:23 PM Central Standard Time,
prbarfoo@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<<
>From the website http://www.otherkin.net/index.html
Otherkin are essentially people who consider themselves to be not entirely (or
not at all) human, for some reason.
>>

A number of autistic people have considered themselves to be not
entirely human, due to the way our brains work.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 1/13/2003 3:44:59 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I'd like to take this opportunity to say how fucked in the brain I think
George Bush is--and Congress for following him. >>

I've been thinking along this line for a long time too, Karen. Now more than
ever.
Theo

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Got home at 3:30. Procedure took 15 minutes. Tests, waiting, tests,
waiting, tests, rests, took 5-3/4 hours.
Fear worse than the actual thing, although it is not something you'd
want every day. Results Wednesday or after.
Nadine coming over to watch DVD tonight as I am not supposed to be
alone. They did not tell me that, so I made no arrangements, and she
cannot stay all night, but I think I will be OK. So far I feel OK but a
little tired, so I am going to take a nap. Thanks for all of the good
vibes.
--
alyce

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> In a message dated 1/13/2003 3:44:59 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << I'd like to take this opportunity to say how fucked in the brain I think
> George Bush is--and Congress for following him. >>
>
> I've been thinking along this line for a long time too, Karen. Now more than
> ever.
> Theo


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In a message dated 1/13/2003 4:40:51 AM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< I wish this were Eel-Eating Day. >>

You ain't the only one, deary! But you know what they say about wishing! :-{
Theo

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In a message dated 1/13/2003 7:01:27 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

<< This is new here too. In my genereation almost everyone was baptized -
within the Lutheran state church for most.
 >>

The catholic families did that in Holland in my time, Dunno if they still do.
Theo

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I'm glad you feel ok so far.  So far is good enough for right now. Sweet nap-dreams.

BrP




> Got home at 3:30. Procedure took 15 minutes. Tests, waiting, tests,
> waiting, tests, rests, took 5-3/4 hours.
> Fear worse than the actual thing, although it is not something you'd
> want every day. Results Wednesday or after.
> Nadine coming over to watch DVD tonight as I am not supposed to be
> alone. They did not tell me that, so I made no arrangements, and she
> cannot stay all night, but I think I will be OK. So far I feel OK but a
> little tired, so I am going to take a nap. Thanks for all of the good
> vibes.
> --
> alyce

Paul R. Barfoot
Special Collections
Syracuse University Library

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I hopped down to read this message first.  I'm glad it's over and you're
safely home!

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Well, I'm glad you're back home and that Nadine can be over there
this evening.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:51:11 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< So far I feel OK but a
little tired, so I am going to take a nap. Thanks for all of the good
vibes. >>

Very happy for you that it went OK. It'll take time to build up your strength
again, so don't rush things. Just take it EZ, OK? One day at the time will do
it. Theo

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alyce cresap said:
> Fear worse than the actual thing, although it is not something you'd
> want every day. Results Wednesday or after.

I'm glad you're back, and glad that the fear was worse than the actual
thing.

> Nadine coming over to watch DVD tonight as I am not supposed to be
> alone. They did not tell me that, so I made no arrangements, and she
> cannot stay all night, but I think I will be OK. So far I feel OK but a
> little tired, so I am going to take a nap. Thanks for all of the good
> vibes.

I hope you have some good dreams during your nap and that you feel
better after it.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 19:26, steph wrote:

> Yay!  Tony's back!

Well, sort of. I'm still reading the list most of the time, but I'm
appallingly busy at work and home, and something has to go. :-(

Otoh I actually went to a concert for the first time in what seems
like years. The first performance in a while of I Furiosi
(http://www.ifuriosi.com/), a young baroque ensemble with a somewhat
lesbian flavour. The audience was refreshingly young (most early
music stuff I go to plays to a mostly grey-haired crowd), with more
piercings and nifty hair colours and styles than I usually encounter
these days.

There are small but good sound samples on their web site above, and
some good photos at
http://www.mayumiseiler.com/photos/photos5.html#furiosi1

(Janet - how would you categorize the look of that group?)

So... back to the grind.

Tony H.

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:

> It's fiction, but based on an event from Lee Smith's past.... she and
> her college friends rafted down the Mississippi as did the four women in
> the novel.

I think I remember this now from the NPR snippet I heard back whenever
it was.

> wlm#6   Bless your heart

Which kind?  Sincere or sarcastic?  Do you know where the author is
from?  It was probably said on that NPR snippet, but I don't remember.
(I bet I can find out on the web, but IMFTAOTL.)

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 05:30:08PM -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
= On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 19:26, steph wrote:
=
= > Yay!  Tony's back!
=
= Well, sort of. I'm still reading the list most of the time, but I'm
= appallingly busy at work and home, and something has to go. :-(
=

Well, glad you piped up for a minute there, then.

= Otoh I actually went to a concert for the first time in what seems
= like years. The first performance in a while of I Furiosi
= (http://www.ifuriosi.com/), a young baroque ensemble with a somewhat
= lesbian flavour. The audience was refreshingly young (most early
= music stuff I go to plays to a mostly grey-haired crowd), with more
= piercings and nifty hair colours and styles than I usually encounter
= these days.
=

I just (like 15 minutes ago) got back from seeing The Lincoln
Center Jazz Orchestra led by Wynton Marsalis.  It was at the
Concertgebouw, so lots of balding men, grey hair, etc.  Highlight
of the performance for me was "Big Train", since you can in that
room, with all the audience breathing, still hear one man at the
back of the stage whistling softly.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
> << I wish this were Eel-Eating Day. >>
>
> You ain't the only one, deary! But you know what they say about wishing! :-{

Why did I not have to scrape my windshields this morning?  I mentioned
it at lunch, and somebody said that it may be that when it's very cold,
stuff hits the windshield and bounces off, whereas when it's just sort
of cold, it semi-melts when hitting the windshield and adheres itself.
I dunno.  There was frosty stuff on top of the car, but the windshields
and windows were pretty clear.

In any case, I am still yearning for warmth.

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She grew up in the Appalachians -- doesn't say where:

http://www.leesmith.com/lastgirls.html

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> She grew up in the Appalachians -- doesn't say where:
>
> http://www.leesmith.com/lastgirls.html

Southwestern Virginia:

http://www.leesmith.com/autobio.html

Not being a Real Southerner herself, I wonder how she knows that a Real
Southerner doesn't consider Knoxville the Real South.

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>Why did I not have to scrape my windshields this morning?
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Humidity was low?


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
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> >Why did I not have to scrape my windshields this morning?
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Humidity was low?

But it was <precipitating> a little bit -- a little bit of sleet and
little bit of very minor snow (flurries).  Yesterday was gray and damp.
So was this morning, but it then got sunny.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> > Humidity was low?
>
> But it was <precipitating> a little bit -- a little bit of sleet and
> little bit of very minor snow (flurries).  Yesterday was gray and damp.
> So was this morning, but it then got sunny.

But apparently the humidity was indeed not high.  That seems odd.  I
just checked yesterday's figures on Wunderground and saw that at
midnight the humidity was only 51%.

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>Not being a Real Southerner herself, I wonder how she knows that a Real
>Southerner doesn't consider Knoxville the Real South.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

She lurks on words-l?  Tell us about the Donna Tartt book.   Why would a
southerner write a book that takes place in Vermont?


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Southwestern Virginia:
>
> http://www.leesmith.com/autobio.html
>
> Not being a Real Southerner herself, I wonder how she knows that a Real
> Southerner doesn't consider Knoxville the Real South.

Is Virginia not the real South?!

Karen
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>But apparently the humidity was indeed not high.  That seems odd.  I
>just checked yesterday's figures on Wunderground and saw that at
>midnight the humidity was only 51%.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

These things are a mystery.  We live surrounded by water and yet the
humidity is often lower here than in Bangor.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Is Virginia not the real South?!

Right.  We discussed this in '91, I think.  It is somewhat Southern.  I
think I've mentioned before that in driving home from New England, I
always try to make sure I cross into Virginia before stopping for the
night since I love eating real breakfasts in hotels/motels and can be
pretty sure Virginia will have grits.  But it is not The Real South --
aka The Deep South.

--
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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Not being a Real Southerner herself, I wonder how she knows that a Real
> >Southerner doesn't consider Knoxville the Real South.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> She lurks on words-l?  Tell us about the Donna Tartt book.   Why would a
> southerner write a book that takes place in Vermont?

What book takes place in Vermont?  (I didn't read DT's first book.  Was
it set in Vermont?)  The one I'm reading is set in Alexandria,
Mississippi (a fictional town -- there is no Alexandria, MS, afaik).
And I'm enjoying it very much.  I'm also beginning to enjoy my so-called
retirement since my schedule is better this semester than last and I'm
gradually ridding myself of the old work ethic hangups and doing things
like coming home this afternoon and reading for fun for an hour or so.

I'm trying to remember now what those negative comments about the book
were that I mentioned having read in some reviews.  There was something
like "fake Faulkner," iirc, and something about long and rambling or
whatever.  I don't see anything Faulknerian about it, other than a
setting in a mythical Mississippi town.  It is pretty long, but I don't
find it rambling.  In a way the story is a bit far-fetched and the
protagonist a bit unbelievable, but I still find it compelling.  I'd
prefer for it not to be quite so snake-filled, but even the snakes
haven't bothered me all that much.

--
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Natalie Maynor said:
> But it is not The Real South -- aka The Deep South.

I think this is the first time I realized that these terms were
equivalent.

Of course, I understand that Virginia is not part of the Deep South.

Karen
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Here's the Faulkner reference that was stuck in my head (not "fake
Faulkner" but "bad Faulkner"):

http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/10/28/ew.review.book.tartt/

I'm glad that reading that review didn't deter me from buying the book.
And re Vermont, this jogged my brain to remember that indeed her first
book was set at something like Bennington College (remember reading that
about it -- didn't read the book itself).

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > But it is not The Real South -- aka The Deep South.
>
> I think this is the first time I realized that these terms were
> equivalent.

The Real South means an area that is always included in people's
definitions of The South.  That means only a few states (full states --
pieces of others can be included, of course).

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If one has pain, and takes Tylenol w/codeine for it, and then gets badly
constipated, what are you supposed to do, choose between types of pain?
I have finished with the constipation problem, but now have pain and am
not taking the pills lest it happen again. This cannot be right. Serious
answers welcomed.

alyce

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I wore them to the hospital. Everyone saw them. I kept them on during
the procedure. Everyone loved them--nurses, doctors, anesthesiologists,
respiratory guy, phlebotomist (sp?) and more. Bonnie's fame spreads.
--
alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> If one has pain, and takes Tylenol w/codeine for it, and then gets badly
> constipated, what are you supposed to do, choose between types of pain?

I think generally one is advised to treat the lesser evil
(constipation) nonmedically by taking in more fiber and more water.

> I have finished with the constipation problem, but now have pain and am
> not taking the pills lest it happen again. This cannot be right. Serious
> answers welcomed.

Sorry you're in pain.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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> You're the first murican I have known or spoken with who didn't
> say YUCK!

What can I say - I'm an adventurous eater. Just ask Bonnie about dim sum.

> BTW, whatever you
> did, I'm getting all my posts again, thanks. Theo

Great! It, uh, worked!

(I didn't do anything.)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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At 08:21 PM 1/13/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>I wore them to the hospital. Everyone saw them. I kept them on during
>the procedure. Everyone loved them--nurses, doctors, anesthesiologists,
>respiratory guy, phlebotomist (sp?) and more. Bonnie's fame spreads.
>--
>alyce

I love it!  They know you are loved and they better give you good care!

Betty

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Hm... I guess Brazil must be part of the Deep(er) South:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcwroot/confederatos.htm

Karen
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>If one has pain, and takes Tylenol w/codeine for it, and then gets badly
>constipated, what are you supposed to do, choose between types of pain?
>I have finished with the constipation problem, but now have pain and am
>not taking the pills lest it happen again. This cannot be right. Serious
>answers welcomed.       --alyce

Take the pain medication.  If the constipation happens again, take a
laxative.   It could be that you won't get constipated again because your
system will adjust to the pain medication.  But take the pain medication.


    --bonniev

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>I wore them to the hospital. Everyone saw them. I kept them on during
>the procedure. Everyone loved them--nurses, doctors, anesthesiologists,
>respiratory guy, phlebotomist (sp?) and more. Bonnie's fame spreads.
>alyce

Wow.  I'm famous.  Thanks for not taking orders.  I don't think I want to
supply all of the Hudson Valley with hand-knit socks.  Just you!


    --bonniev

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>What can I say - I'm an adventurous eater. Just ask Bonnie about dim sum.
>--Adam

I vouch for him.  He ate every single thing that I was unwilling to.   He'd
say "just try it; if you can't stand it, I'll finish it for you."  And he did.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Hm... I guess Brazil must be part of the Deep(er) South:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcwroot/confederatos.htm

I didn't chase the url, but I assume it's about the Southerners who
moved to Brazil shortly after the Civil War.  They've been an
interesting group for study by cultural historians and linguists, but my
understanding is that their community is much less distinct now than it
used to be -- that they speak Portuguese and act like Brazilians now.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Hm... I guess Brazil must be part of the Deep(er) South:
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcwroot/confederatos.htm
>
> I didn't chase the url, but I assume it's about the Southerners who
> moved to Brazil shortly after the Civil War.  They've been an
> interesting group for study by cultural historians and linguists, but my
> understanding is that their community is much less distinct now than it
> used to be -- that they speak Portuguese and act like Brazilians now.

They speak Portuguese with a Southern accent. I would think that that
alone would preclude total integration.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Subject: Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson in Economics

This is how the cookie crumbles. Read it carefully.

Subject: Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson in Economics

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day,
ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like
this:
-The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing
-The fifth would pay $1
-The sixth would pay $3
-The seventh $7
-The eighth $12
-The ninth $18
-The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy
with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.


"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the
cost of your daily meal by $20."

So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the
first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what
about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20
windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?" The six men realized
that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from
everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up
being "paid" to eat their meal.

So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's
bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts
each should pay.

And so: -The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
-The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings)
-The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings)
-The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings)
-The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings)
-The tenth now paid $49 instead $59 (16% savings)

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to
eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare
their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to
the tenth. "But he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too.
It's unfair that he got ten times more than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I
got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the
tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down
and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered
something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for
even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax
system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from
a tax reduction.

Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show
up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and
the Caribbean.

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 05:20:15PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= alyce cresap said:
= > If one has pain, and takes Tylenol w/codeine for it, and then gets badly
= > constipated, what are you supposed to do, choose between types of pain?
=
= I think generally one is advised to treat the lesser evil
= (constipation) nonmedically by taking in more fiber and more water.
=

But do not take Metamucil or the like without checking with your
doctor first as it will change the way drugs get into your
bloodstream.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> They speak Portuguese with a Southern accent. I would think that that
> alone would preclude total integration.

There are still a few old people speaking English.  And I didn't say
their integration was total.  It's just that within recent years they
are said to have become much less separate than they used to be.

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Doris Markland wrote:

> And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax
> system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from
> a tax reduction.

Cute story, but like most analogies it doesn't fully apply.

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 02:38:22PM -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
= >From the website http://www.otherkin.net/index.html
= Otherkin are essentially people who consider themselves to be not entirely (or
= not at all) human, for some reason. So far there seem to be a few main
= viewpoints on why a particular person considers themselves something
= Other.
=
=
= BrP

I used to know a guy deep deep into FurryMuck, which is still
there!, and he was definitely something other.  Fox, as I recall.

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X
(her mark)

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steph wrote:
> I used to know a guy deep deep into FurryMuck, which is still
> there!, and he was definitely something other.  Fox, as I recall.

Ken is an ancient lizard whose craft crash landed here long, long ago,
and he was the only survivor. He longs to return to his planet, which is
far, far away. Fact: He can tell his story so convincingly that I have
seen people believe it. In his hippy days he used to get free drinks by
telling this sad story in bars.

alyce

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Doris Markland wrote:
> >
> Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show
> up at the table anymore.

I rise from my sick bed to say Phooey! Oh, they'll be at the table when
they get hungry. The others may not be, because they will have died of
malnutrition.

alyce

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Things are slow on words-l this morning.   I tend to go hang out at
realtor.com when that happens.  It's nice to know that nothing much has
changed in the Oak Ridge, Tennessee real estate market.  One can still buy
a three bedroom, one bath home for under $30,000.  Houses like the one we
sold in 1996 are still going for exactly the same price they did
then.  Just from a financial point of view, we did well to move here to Bar
Harbor.  Our Bar Harbor house has doubled in value since we bought it in
July of 1996.


    --bonniev

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Nurse says it can take a week or more for results, so don't hold your
collective breaths.
--
alyce

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 05:09:19PM -0800, S Hess wrote:
= http://www.asksnoop.com/

I'm sorry.  this is as old as jive

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~eclectic/toys/jive.html

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Accountants at Deloitte & Touche looked at the incomes, investments, and
tax statuses of the four families below to
estimate how much they would save under the proposed Bush tax plan - the
results:

The Clines of Austin - household income, $250,000+/yr - estimated
savings, $4,500
The Ducharmes of Alfred - household income, $50,000/yr - estimated
savings, $400
The Villas of Helena - household income, approx $18,000/yr - estimated
savings, $100
(one family declined to state family's income)

Karen's neighbors (from today's NYT, sorry I don't have URL)--A
heart-breaking story in which the nanny is let go.
It is supposed to be that the wealthy will use tax cut money to create
jobs, but I guess not nanny jobs.

The Clines of Austin

"We've scaled way, way down," said Tasha Cline, 37, of Austin, Tex. By
any numerical measure, she and her husband, Robert, 41, should be on
Easy Street. A colon and rectal surgeon, Dr. Cline cleared $250,000 last
year. But that was $30,000 less than two years earlier because of higher
expenses, said his office manager, Bessie Crissman.

The cost of Dr. Cline's medical malpractice insurance, for example, rose
$5,000 last year and will rise another $10,000 this year, to $23,000,
Ms. Crissman said. The rent went up $5,000 last year, salaries for his
office workers rose $7,000, their health insurance, $5,000.

"We have a two-way squeeze - limited reimbursement from Medicare and
managed care," Dr. Cline said. "I'm a sole practitioner, so I can't
negotiate with big insurance companies. It's `take it or leave it.' "

The decline hits home, where the Clines are raising six children, ages 2
to 8. A year ago, they sold their house in central Austin for $799,000
and bought another for $580,000. A house in their old neighborhood with
enough bedrooms, Mrs. Cline said, would have
cost $1 million.

"We got a fifth bedroom," said Mrs. Cline, much cheered by the move.
"It's on a smaller lot, and it doesn't have a pool. But the taxes are
less. The utilities are less. Our neighbors are wonderful."

But the squeeze goes on. Mrs. Cline's monthly spending budget is $3,000,
or $36,000 a year, the same as three years ago. "I let the nanny go in
September," she said, saving $26,000 a year. No sooner had she completed
payments on her 1997 Chevrolet Suburban in July than it started breaking
down. Since November, she said, she had spent $2,700 on repairs.

In their budget calculations, the Clines give little thought to federal
income taxes. They have not felt the last cuts at all, Dr. Cline said.

Accountants at Deloitte & Touche, who looked at the tax status of the
four families interviewed for this article, said lower tax rates,
primarily, could save the Clines $4,500 a year.

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alyce cresap said:
> Nurse says it can take a week or more for results, so don't hold your
> collective breaths.

I wonder why it takes so long.

Karen
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A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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alyce cresap said:
> Doris Markland wrote:
> > Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show
> > up at the table anymore.
>
> I rise from my sick bed to say Phooey! Oh, they'll be at the table when
> they get hungry. The others may not be, because they will have died of
> malnutrition.

Amen, sistah!

Karen
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A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> I wonder why it takes so long.

Maybe it doesn't and they say that to keep people from calling every two
minutes. I dunno.

alyce
If you keep your mind open too much, your brains will fall out.

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Robert Reich -- Clinton Sec'y of Labor --says (LA Times):

Bush Proves He's an Upper-Class Act

The president's plan responds to the nation's two overarching economic
problems -- overcapacity and widening inequality -- by worsening both.
It's a remarkable achievement, made all the more remarkable by the utter
cynicism with which it's being marketed.

It's not a plan for "growth and jobs." It's a plan for rewarding the
rich when what the economy needs is more spending by people of modest
means. And it further concentrates wealth and power at a time when
wealth and power are already in fewer and fewer hands.
--------
alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I wonder why it takes so long.
>
> Maybe it doesn't and they say that to keep people from calling every two
> minutes. I dunno.

Could be. I thought the whole point of biopsies was that you could
find out quickly whether you have cancer or not.

Karen
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Is Walk Around Your House Naked Day. (Since, hopefully, this will be
the last day I can do that for a while.)

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> Could be. I thought the whole point of biopsies was that you could
> find out quickly whether you have cancer or not.

I think the purpose is find out, but not necessarily fast. Perhaps they
put some people on a fast track if their condition is tenuous? I had to
make a "follow-up" appointment today and the first one available is Feb.
19th.

alyce

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > I wonder why it takes so long.
>
>Maybe it doesn't and they say that to keep people from calling every two
>minutes. I dunno.     --alyce

Maybe they have to culture something which certainly takes time.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Is Walk Around Your House Naked Day. (Since, hopefully, this will be
> the last day I can do that for a while.)

Oh,good. He is really coming? Excellent. I never can walk around naked
because I have too many windows. Upstairs would be OK except there is
nowhere to run around to.

alyce

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
> Maybe they have to culture something which certainly takes time.

Maybe. Maybe we need one of our medically-oriented meebers to join in
here.

alyce

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>
>
>Is Walk Around Your House Naked Day. (Since, hopefully, this will be
>the last day I can do that for a while.)
>
>Karen
>"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
>A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>

Damn! I have to stop reading email while eating lunch. My soup nearly hit
the keyboard. ROFL. Tell your roomie that the house is clothing optional.
Also, don't try frying bacon, could be a painfuil.


alec

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  so don't hold your
> collective breaths.

if holding our breaths would keep you breathing, we'd do it.

Kristin, though not wanting to sound too frivolous at a serious matter.

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 8:49:33 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> I rise from my sick bed to say Phooey! Oh, they'll be at the table when
> they get hungry. The others may not be, because they will have died of
> malnutrition.
>
> alyce
>

Glad to hear you could rise to the occasion.
Hope you're feeling better today, and I'll be
thinking of you on those results.

       Aloha     - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:

>  I thought the whole point of biopsies was that you could
> find out quickly whether you have cancer or not.

I thought it was also meant to culture some germs, or viruses, or what... so
that they'd know which antibiotics, or other kind of medicine, would be the
best to fight them.

Kristin

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 10:22:41 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> Accountants at Deloitte & Touche looked at the incomes, investments, and
> tax statuses of the four families below to
> estimate how much they would save under the proposed Bush tax plan - the
> results:
>
> The Clines of Austin - household income, $250,000+/yr - estimated
> savings, $4,500
> The Ducharmes of Alfred - household income, $50,000/yr - estimated
> savings, $400
> The Villas of Helena - household income, approx $18,000/yr - estimated
> savings, $100
> (one family declined to state family's income)
>

What this does not say is how mujch tax
each of these people pay.  The point of the other
piece IMO is that the tax cut is based on what you
pay.

              - D. M.

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >  I thought the whole point of biopsies was that you could
> > find out quickly whether you have cancer or not.
>
> I thought it was also meant to culture some germs, or viruses, or what... so
> that they'd know which antibiotics, or other kind of medicine, would be the
> best to fight them.

Well, yes, IF it's an infection. I'm just saying that I didn't think
it took that long to distinguish cancer from an infection, and that if
I were Alyce, I'd want to know. I know it takes time to culture cells.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Kristin Sarv wrote
>
> if holding our breaths would keep you breathing, we'd do it.
>
I love you, Kristin!
alyce

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>What this does not say is how mujch tax
>each of these people pay.  The point of the other
>piece IMO is that the tax cut is based on what you
>pay.              - D. M.

You scenario would make sense to me if the tax cut was because the
government had a surplus of money that it wanted to give back to the people
who had paid it to them in the first place.  But that's not the case
here.   I gather the excuse given for this tax cut is that it would
stimulate the economy.  So give us another nice little dinner party example
in which the economy is stimulated.  Or is that included in yours, because
if the rich don't pay at the restaurant, then the waitress, chef, busboy,
landlord, sous chef, and prep chef have no jobs?


    --bonniev

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
>
> I thought it was also meant to culture some germs, or viruses, or what... so
> that they'd know which antibiotics, or other kind of medicine, would be the
> best to fight them.

Hah! Had not thought of it that way. I like the idea. I have thought of
cancer as the only possibility and actually wondered why, if they knew
it was cancer, they'd even bother with a biopsy. So much for ignorance
of the patient. I did learn yesterday that in addition to clipping a bit
of lung tissue, she vacuumed up a lot of the gunk I usually cough up (or
not), which they also test for content.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Well, yes, IF it's an infection. I'm just saying that I didn't think
> it took that long to distinguish cancer from an infection, and that if
> I were Alyce, I'd want to know. I know it takes time to culture cells.
>
Of course I want to know. But bear in mind that they do know I have a
pneumonia and I am taking antibiotics for it.
But maybe the "mass" is also a pneumonia of another stripe. Remember
that I had seven kinds that other time. While mass sounds like a solid,
maybe it isn't. English is a second language to the doctor. Maybe it
just means a cloudy place on the X-ray and CT scan. I do know that it is
hidden under the cloudiness of the pneumonia for which I am being
treated, which is why they can't tell what it is just by looking at the
film.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> I think the purpose is find out, but not necessarily fast. Perhaps they
> put some people on a fast track if their condition is tenuous? I had to
> make a "follow-up" appointment today and the first one available is Feb.
> 19th.

This does not make sense to me. Sick people ought to be able to see
their doctors when they are sick instead of a month later.

Karen
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bonniev said:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > > I wonder why it takes so long.
> >
> >Maybe it doesn't and they say that to keep people from calling every two
> >minutes. I dunno.     --alyce
>
> Maybe they have to culture something which certainly takes time.

To tell whether or not it's cancer?

Karen
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Doris Markland wrote:

  The point of the other
> piece IMO is that the tax cut is based on what you
> pay.

Understood. That definitely is the case, and for some reason it makes
perfect sense to the administration and (I presume) to you. Whereas it
makes no sense at all to me as a solution to the problem we face.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> >so
> > that they'd know which antibiotics, or other kind of medicine, would be the
> > best to fight them.
>
>  I like the idea.

Good. Worrying less is not just much of a help, but maybe still a bit.

>  So much for ignorance
> of the patient. I did learn yesterday that in addition to clipping a bit of lung
> tissue, she vacuumed up a lot of the gunk

I'm ignorant, too, of all the matter, and I do not know what the doctor's have
exactly told you. But what they took for their exploration (now, wrong word;
'study' is not proper either; well, you understand) shows that they want to find
the reason of your disease.

Kristin

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I got up late this morning, and I neglected to put out dry cat food.
(I've been giving the cat dry food in the morning, and alternating dry
food and wet food at night.) So I was making some phone calls, and
what to my wondering eyes should appear at my front door but a cat
nose pressed against the window. She would have rung the doorbell if
she could reach it, I'm sure. I opened up the door, thinking maybe I
could do the shortcut-to-the-back-door thing, but she wasn't buying
it. She kept saying "It's Timmy! He's in the well! Follow me!!!"

So I went and filled up the food bowl and she went back there and
chowed down. And all's well in Kitty-Land. (She doesn't know that was
the last of the dry food...)

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Well, yes, IF it's an infection. I'm just saying that I didn't think
> > it took that long to distinguish cancer from an infection, and that if
> > I were Alyce, I'd want to know. I know it takes time to culture cells.
> >
> Of course I want to know. But bear in mind that they do know I have a
> pneumonia and I am taking antibiotics for it.
> But maybe the "mass" is also a pneumonia of another stripe. Remember
> that I had seven kinds that other time. While mass sounds like a solid,
> maybe it isn't. English is a second language to the doctor. Maybe it
> just means a cloudy place on the X-ray and CT scan. I do know that it is
> hidden under the cloudiness of the pneumonia for which I am being
> treated, which is why they can't tell what it is just by looking at the
> film.

I forgot about the pneumonia. (Or, I think I didn't realize it was
pneumonia.) Pneumonia is ucky, and I feel for you. I think of you
every time I cough.:)

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> 2. Dec. 12--Chest X-ray done. Same day she calls: "It is not right and I
> am starting you on Levoquin for 10 days (despite Karen's objections) and
> get a CT scam."

My objections came later--when you started having side effects. Some
people don't have side effects from these drugs.

> 3. CT scan to be on 12/26 with Doug here, but record snowstorm changes
> plans.

I forgot this, too.

> So, I seem to have a couple of different things going on together,
> knowImsayin?

Ah, when were you ever simple, Alyce!:)

Karen
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Oh, we understand each other very well, I think.

That's good. I just thought that sometimes it is difficult to explain how one
feels even if both sides talk their common mothertongue, like what kind of pain
there is and exactly where it is. Well, I meant the latter as general remark,
but, alas, pain is one of the things you fight each day. Let'm find quickly a
good remedy!

Kristin

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Doris Markland wrote:

> If tax cuts are given,
> however, I doubt you expect a large % should be taken from
> those who pay a lot and given to those to pay little or none.
> Because that's communism.

Well, not really. There is a bit more to communism than that.

Here's an idea. Forget the tax cuts entirely and raise the minimum wage,
stop taking out social security payments from the below-$40,000-group
for some length of time to be determined, while having the wealthy pay
SS contributions on their entire earned income, instead of getting a
free ride after their first whatever it is now ($60,000?).

alyce
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:35:01AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Is Walk Around Your House Naked Day. (Since, hopefully, this will be
= the last day I can do that for a while.)
=
= Karen

It's 31 steps from my desk to the printer.  That makes 62 steps
round trip.  That means I only have to print off 161 documents a
day to get my 10000 steps a day (or was that 100000?).

thinking of you

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:40:21 AM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:


> You scenario would make sense to me if the tax cut was because the
> government had a surplus of money that it wanted to give back to the people
> who had paid it to them in the first place.  But that's not the case
> here.   I gather the excuse given for this tax cut is that it would
> stimulate the economy.  So give us another nice little dinner party example
> in which the economy is stimulated.  Or is that included in yours, because
> if the rich don't pay at the restaurant, then the waitress, chef, busboy,
> landlord, sous chef, and prep chef have no jobs?
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Well, it wasn't my scenario and I didn't write it . . someone
sent it to me (spam) . . . so I can't add to it.  Anyway I'm
not smart enough to figure out any of this stuff.

I wonder if "not coming to the table" could refer to companies
that move their business to another country?  If so, that
certainly does not stimulate our economy.

        - D. M.

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alyce cresap said:
> Kristin Sarv wrote:
> > I thought it was also meant to culture some germs, or viruses, or what... so
> > that they'd know which antibiotics, or other kind of medicine, would be the
> > best to fight them.
>
> Hah! Had not thought of it that way. I like the idea. I have thought of
> cancer as the only possibility and actually wondered why, if they knew
> it was cancer, they'd even bother with a biopsy.

To tell what kind, because what kind determines the treatment. Also
how far along it is.

> So much for ignorance of the patient. I did learn yesterday that in
> addition to clipping a bit of lung tissue, she vacuumed up a lot of
> the gunk I usually cough up (or not), which they also test for
> content.

Good. She really does sound like a responsible doctor. I'm just peeved
that if it's not cancer, she isn't ruling that out more quickly.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Karen Kay wrote:
> This does not make sense to me. Sick people ought to be able to see
> their doctors when they are sick instead of a month later.

I can see my GP at a moment's notice. I imagine that if I am terminally
ill, the pulmonologist will become more available. But, we are in a
rural area with only one such specialist, afaik. She has offices in
three towns and attends at two hospitals. She has more patients than she
should, alas.

alyce

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  English is a second language to the doctor.

:-(

Well, it may not be so bad, but if s/he always doesn't understand exactly
what you say to her...

Kr.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> I love you, Kristin!

It's good to be so amiable :) Just as you.

Kristin

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > This does not make sense to me. Sick people ought to be able to see
> > their doctors when they are sick instead of a month later.
>
> I can see my GP at a moment's notice.

That makes me feel marginally better. I'm sorry your pulmonologist is
so busy, and I hope that you don't have to wait till you're terminally
ill to get her attention.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:53:43 AM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> Understood. That definitely is the case, and for some reason it makes
> perfect sense to the administration and (I presume) to you. Whereas it
> makes no sense at all to me as a solution to the problem we face.
>
> alyce
>

I don't want to start a discussion on this because you should be
resting and taking care.

But I dn't undertand what you want.  No tax cut to anyone, I
'would presume, and that's fine with me.  If tax cuts are given,
however, I doubt you expect a large % should be taken from
those who pay a lot and given to those to pay little or none.
Because that's communism.

          - D. M.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> I forgot about the pneumonia. (Or, I think I didn't realize it was
> pneumonia.)

Recap for those who forgot or who came in late.
1. Dec. 4--Routine 6-month checkup with pulmonologist. "Lungs clear, but
get a chest x-ray because it has been 18 months." Pain in right side
starts the next day.
2. Dec. 12--Chest X-ray done. Same day she calls: "It is not right and I
am starting you on Levoquin for 10 days (despite Karen's objections) and
get a CT scam."
3. CT scan to be on 12/26 with Doug here, but record snowstorm changes
plans.
4. CT scan accomplished in January 6.
5. Results reach GP on January 9. He sees pneumonia (with something
under it) and prescribes another antibiotic, Avalox for 12 days. Results
reach pulmonologist on Jan 10 and she says bronchosocpy and biopsy.
6. Rushed to emergency room on Jan 11 cause I can't breathe. Another
chest X-ray. Pneumonia still visible.
7. Jan 13. Bronchoscopy and biopsy.

So, I seem to have a couple of different things going on together,
knowImsayin?

alyce

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Kristin Sarv wrote:
> Well, it may not be so bad, but if s/he always doesn't understand exactly
> what you say to her...

Oh, we understand each other very well, I think. She speaks very clearly
and just likely accented. But it might be that there are shades of
difference in meaning between her "mass" and my "mass." Or, maybe not.

alyce

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steph wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:35:01AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Is Walk Around Your House Naked Day. (Since, hopefully, this will be
> = the last day I can do that for a while.)
> =
> = Karen
>
> It's 31 steps from my desk to the printer.  That makes 62 steps
> round trip.  That means I only have to print off 161 documents a
> day to get my 10000 steps a day (or was that 100000?).

Now, which is more weird: either walk between a printer and desk with
documents, naked, or put out cat food, naked... At first I wanted to warn
Karen about the latter, but now reading your post, Steph, I abandoned it.

Kristin

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alyce cresap said:
> We have found an area of agreement! Not only does it not stimulate, but
> it makes paying taxes unnecessary (if indeed they are paying taxes
> currently, which is not necessarily the case). And so, why is it not
> being forbidden? Why has the country's Leader not spoken out on this?

For the same reason they are extending H1B visas. It profits Shrub's
friends.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Alec D. Plotkin said:
> Damn! I have to stop reading email while eating lunch. My soup nearly hit
> the keyboard. ROFL. Tell your roomie that the house is clothing optional.

I don't think so, Alec.

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> Oh,good. He is really coming?

I think so. We last talked on Thursday. I thought he was supposed to
come yesterday, but he didn't, and no phone call. I just phoned him,
and he wasn't in.

> Excellent. I never can walk around naked
> because I have too many windows. Upstairs would be OK except there is
> nowhere to run around to.

I have a lot of windows, but luckily, I am only overlooked in one
spot, and they leave their blinds closed most of the time. (I really
need a tree in that spot, but nothing I've planted there grows.)

The front door has an etched glass window in it, and a long
floor-to-ceiling window to the left (that's where I saw the kitty face
this morning). I took the curtains down before Christmas to wash them
and haven't put them back up yet, so I have to be careful walking
around in the living room, because anyone walking down the street can
look right in.

He just called--he'll be here at 4.

Karen
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Doris Markland wrote:
> I wonder if "not coming to the table" could refer to companies
> that move their business to another country?  If so, that
> certainly does not stimulate our economy.

We have found an area of agreement! Not only does it not stimulate, but
it makes paying taxes unnecessary (if indeed they are paying taxes
currently, which is not necessarily the case). And so, why is it not
being forbidden? Why has the country's Leader not spoken out on this?

alyce

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steph said:
> It's 31 steps from my desk to the printer.  That makes 62 steps
> round trip.  That means I only have to print off 161 documents a
> day to get my 10000 steps a day (or was that 100000?).

10,000

But do you take them naked?

> thinking of you

It has been enlightening to realize how much I walk in the course of
my daily rounds at home.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Kristin Sarv said:
> Now, which is more weird: either walk between a printer and desk with
> documents, naked, or put out cat food, naked... At first I wanted to warn
> Karen about the latter, but now reading your post, Steph, I abandoned it.

I do put out cat food naked. But the cat food is in the back.

Btw, my irises have started blooming. I'm afraid the freeze tomorrow
night and Thursday will kill the blooms.:(

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Doris:

>however, I doubt you expect a large % should be taken from
>those who pay a lot and given to those to pay little or none.
>Because that's communism.

That's why I was and am fervently opposed to Bush's huge handouts
to farmers and agribusiness - something like $ 80 Billion. What
those at the bottom of the heap get is peanuts compared to the
amount of our tax money going to agribusiness.

-rashmi



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In a message dated 1/14/2003 12:28:57 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


> We have found an area of agreement! Not only does it not stimulate, but
> it makes paying taxes unnecessary (if indeed they are paying taxes
> currently, which is not necessarily the case). And so, why is it not
> being forbidden? Why has the country's Leader not spoken out on this?
>
> alyce
>

I think the point of the <spam> was: something like:
What unfair treatment (or the threat thereof) encourages
business to leave the country?

                        - D. M.

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Subject: FW: **Virus, Alert, W32.Lirva**
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FYI - PC Users!



alec


>Folks --
>
>This is an alert regarding W32.Lirva.A, a mass-mailing worm that has
>begun spreading worldwide.  This worm affects machines running Windows
>95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, and XP.  W32.Lirva.A utilizes a known exploit in
>unpatched versions of Microsoft Outlook Express for Windows to infect
>machines, but can also spread via Windows network shares,
>Internet Relay
>Chat, ICQ, and Kazaa.  The worm's mass-mailing process
>utilizes the same
>header "spoofing" tactics as the W32.Klez worm, making it difficult to
>track down an infected machine.  The worm disables virus protection
>applications (including Norton AntiVirus) on the machine, and sends
>cached Dial-Up Networking passwords to an external email
>address. Another
>variant of this worm, named W32.Lirva.C, attempts to download
>a backdoor
>trojan program from an external web site.  However, this web site has
>been taken down, and no trojan program is downloaded.
>
>Norton AntiVirus definitions dated 1/7/03 or later will detect
>W32.Lirva.A and W32.Lirva.C.
>
>Characteristics
>---------------
>
>The virus arrives in an email with different subjects and
>message bodies.
>For a complete list of all possible subjects, message bodies, and
>filenames of the email attachment, please see Symantec's writeup on the
>W32.Lirva worms:
>
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.lirva.a@mm.html
>
>Some sample subjects:
>
>"Fw: Prohibited customers..."
>"Re: Brigade Ocho Free membership"
>"Re: According to Daos Summit"
>"Fw: Avril Lavigne - the best"
>
>The email contains an attachment which may be embedded in the message
>body.  The virus exploits an Internet Explorer and Outlook Express
>vulnerability to automatically execute the attachment when the email is
>previewed -- the user does not need to explicitly open up the
>message and
>execute the attachment to infect the machine.  Users who are running IE
>5.01 or 5.5 without Service Pack 2 installed are vulnerable.  For more
>information on this vulnerability, please see:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tech
>net/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp
>
>Once executed, the worm does the following:
>
>-- copies itself to multiple locations on the hard drive,
>using a random
>string of characters for the filename
>
>-- adds a value to the registry so that it is loaded upon
>boot-up of the
>machine:
>
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\Avril
>Lavigne - Muse
>
>The worm also adds the following key for tracking purposes:
>
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OvG\Avril Lavigne
>
>-- disables several anti-virus and firewall applications that
>are loaded
>as services, including NAV
>
>-- enumerates all open shares on the local network, and copies
>itself to
>the local \Recycled folders on the remote machines.  It then
>modifies the
>Autoexec.bat file on the remote machine so that the worm file
>is executed
>at startup (this only occurs on Windows 95/98/ME machines)
>
>-- searches the local hard drive to see if the Kazaa application is
>installed.  If so, the worm puts a copy of itself in the user's Kazaa
>download directory, thereby sharing the worm with any other Kazaa user
>that connects to the machine.
>
>-- searches local hard drive to see if the mIRC application is
>installed.  If so, the worm attempts to send itself to any user that
>joins an IRC channel that the infected user joins.
>
>-- emails itself to a generated list of addresses obtained from the
>Windows Address Book, ICQ, and cached html files.  The worm
>also inserts
>one of these addresses in the "From:" field of the email,
>disguising the
>email as coming from a user that is not infected.  This is the same
>behavior used by the W32.Klez worm
>
>-- on the 7th, 11th, and 24th day of each month, the worm displays a
>graphic animation on the desktop, and launches a web browser
>to the page
>http://www.avril-lavigne.com.  This process sometimes takes up a large
>amount of resources on the infected machine, and may require a reboot.
>
>Recovery
>------------
>
>Symantec has released a removal tool for the W32.Lirva worms.  The tool
>can be found at:
>
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.lirva.removal.tool.html
>
>Follow the directions for downloading and running the removal tool.
>
>Protection
>-------------
>
>Symantec has released definitions dated 1/7/03 or later which
>will detect
>the virus. Delete any files that are detected as W32.Lirva.A or
>W32.Lirva.C.  Instructions on how to update NAV definition files are
>located at:
>
>http://www.upenn.edu/computing/help/doc/virus/nav/winnavupdate.html
>
>Update Internet Explorer to either v5.01 SP2 or v5.5 SP2.
>These versions
>of Internet Explorer can be found at:
>
>http://www.upenn.edu/computing/product/net/explorer.html
>
>Further information on the W32.Lirva.A worm can be found at:
>
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.lirva.a@mm.html
>http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/lirva.shtml
>http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99949.htm
>http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32avrila.html
>http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_LIRVA.
C

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>I think the point of the <spam> was: something like:
>What unfair treatment (or the threat thereof) encourages
>business to leave the country?                   - D. M.

I think the point of the spam restaurant story was simply that the rich
deserve what they get.  They pay more in taxes and they should get more in
tax breaks.  Period.  Occam's Razor.  Don't make things more complicated
than they are.


    --bonniev

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At 02:22 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.

...sounds like almost the perfect housemate...

cwv

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Man in Chicago sees aurora.  Or maybe not:

(Sightings are preliminary and may be unverified)

0905 UTC - (N45.00 W093.75) - Chicago

Comments: I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUCH OF THIS STUFF IS BUT I THINK I
HAVE SOME USEFULL INFORMATION. I LIVE IN CHICAGO AND WITNESSED
SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN. I WILL ATTACH AN ACCOUNT OF WHAT
I WITNESSED. THERE HAS BEEN NO INFORMATION IN THE NEWS AOUT
ANYTHING I SAW, BUT I HAVE ABOUT 15 TO 20 WITNESSES. I HOPE YOU
DON'T MIND THIS POSTING SINCE I CANNOT FILL OUT THE ABOUVE INFO DUE
TO LACK OF KNOWLEDE. THE FOLLOWING INFO IS OBVIOUSLY IN LAYMAS
TERMS. MY ACCOUNT IS AS FOLLOWS.

I witnessed something last night like I have never seen before. I
walked out of a bar and blinked my eyes several times. I thought it
was my eyes that needed adjusting. For the record, I only had 3 or
4 beers with my dinner. Anyhow, just after walking out of the bar,
I notice about 12 sharp beams of light shooting from the sky. They
were lined up in twos and were in the Northwest part of the sky. I
turned around to go inside and get a witness. (I wanted to make
sure I was really seeing this) As I turned around, I noticed the
whole horizon was marked with "brushed" light beams going vertical
into the sky. They covered almost 360 degrees of the sky. The
brightest part being east towards the city of Chicago. If I could
see the skyline, I am sure these "brush" marks would have been the
backdrop of the Sears Tower et al. The only part of the horizon
that did not have much activity was the Southwest. I have always
dreamed of seeing the Northern Lights but never imagined to see
them in Chicago. I don't even know if this is possible. However,
it was something very similar to the Northern Lights. Can anyome
verify what happened in Chicagoland last night? It was about 9:45
Chicago time(01/13/2003)


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland said:
> I think the point of the <spam> was: something like:
> What unfair treatment (or the threat thereof) encourages
> business to leave the country?

Oh, please. Businesses think anything that lessens profit is 'unfair
treatment'. They fail to understand that people without incomes can't
afford to buy their products.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.
>
> Were you naked?

No, of course not.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Rashmi Murthy wrote:


> Part of the reason the govt does this is because they're coddling
> farmers by buying grains there's no market for. Messing around
> with supply and demand. All they can do is give it away. And it
> keeps farmers producing something. Never mind if there's a market
> for it.


        Beats turning good farmland into subdivisions.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:54:47AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Kristin Sarv said:
= > Now, which is more weird: either walk between a printer and desk with
= > documents, naked, or put out cat food, naked... At first I wanted to warn
= > Karen about the latter, but now reading your post, Steph, I abandoned it.
=
= I do put out cat food naked. But the cat food is in the back.
=

I tend to feed the cat clothed, but that's because it's cold in
the house in the morning.  The heat comes on at the same time the
cat gets fed.

I definitely walk to the printer at work clothed.

The door out of our floor is by the printer, so tomorrow I'm
going to start counting trips.

There are a lot of people at work who take the stairs all the
time specifically because they know that's the only exercise they
get during a day.

I'm not there yet.

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Kristin Sarv said:
> All these statements of yours tend to make me yearn for summer
> warmth, like Natalie does. But I do not like to, yet, for there are
> many winter days coming which I should rather be thankful for.

Well, winter is not nearly over. I suspect I will lose most of my
vegetables this week. (Which is okay, because the lettuce has mostly
bolted, due to the cold.)

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 1:10:10 PM Central Standard Time,
rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:


> That's why I was and am fervently opposed to Bush's huge handouts
> to farmers and agribusiness - something like $ 80 Billion. What
> those at the bottom of the heap get is peanuts compared to the
> amount of our tax money going to agribusiness.
>
> -rashmi
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________

I think you are right on this.  I see this in our own experience,
that large farmers and corporations are paid larger amounts
proportionately than small farmers.  But maybe I need more
facts, maybe it's a percentage thing that I don't understand.
I'll ask Gene.

I think it woul take some research to understand the very
complicated structure on this stuff, and I don't think any one
administration can be blamed . . because every administration
makes it worse, not better and it's gone on for a long time.
Clinton's Ag Admin was particularly bad.

Farmers have asked over and over to be allowed to compete
in a free market where prices are set by supply and
demand and not by government  control.  They have been
'further hurt by larger and larger import of farm products from
other countries., while our grain is being given away free . . .
etc. etc. etc.

Complicated problems here.

                  - D. M.

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D.M (getting me started on one of my pet peeves):

>I think it woul take some research to understand the very
>complicated structure on this stuff, and I don't think any one
>administration can be blamed . . because every administration
>makes it worse, not better and it's gone on for a long time.
>Clinton's Ag Admin was particularly bad.

>Farmers have asked over and over to be allowed to compete
>in a free market where prices are set by supply and
>demand and not by government  control.

You might have this backward. Commodity prices worldwide have
tumbled in the last decade and a half and US/European farmers
constantly whine about prices being too low. Government
intervention artificially *raises* prices and promotes
production in excess of demand which lowers prices further.
So the cycle starts again -farmers whine about low prices,
govt. buys agr. products at higher price than the market will
bear and so on. Govt. subsidies like the huge Bush agricultural
handout artificially raises prices of farm products.  Free market
is a lovely thing on paper and to lecture other countries about
but the US govt (and EU) does not practice it. This particular
administration is really bad - they barely pay lip service to
"free market".

>They have been
>'further hurt by larger and larger import of farm products from
>other countries., while our grain is being given away free . . .

Part of the reason the govt does this is because they're coddling
farmers by buying grains there's no market for. Messing around
with supply and demand. All they can do is give it away. And it
keeps farmers producing something. Never mind if there's a market
for it.

-rashmi

I agree with you about Clinton, the antichrist.

-rashmi


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steph said:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:54:47AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Kristin Sarv said:
> = > Now, which is more weird: either walk between a printer and desk with
> = > documents, naked, or put out cat food, naked... At first I wanted to warn
> = > Karen about the latter, but now reading your post, Steph, I abandoned it.
> =
> = I do put out cat food naked. But the cat food is in the back.
>
> I tend to feed the cat clothed, but that's because it's cold in
> the house in the morning.  The heat comes on at the same time the
> cat gets fed.

I feed my cat outside. But I don't turn off my heat at night, so my
house is warm enough. If it's below 35, I put on clothes first.

> The door out of our floor is by the printer, so tomorrow I'm
> going to start counting trips.

You go!

> There are a lot of people at work who take the stairs all the
> time specifically because they know that's the only exercise they
> get during a day.
>
> I'm not there yet.

Nor am I. I hate stairs. My walking is done mostly on the flat.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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At 04:49 PM 1/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.
>
>Were you naked?
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

That's really none or our business.

cwv

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02003-01-14 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Cute story, but like most analogies it doesn't fully apply.

Life is short, the inbox infinite. We must anymore rely on lexical
marking to keep the information load under the plimsoll line. And
two of the best-known symptoms of an idiot wasting your time are:

1 "a simple lesson in <a complex subject>"

2 "and that, boys and girls"

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I do put out cat food naked. But the cat food is in the back.
>
> Btw, my irises have started blooming. I'm afraid the freeze tomorrow
> night and Thursday will kill the blooms.:(

All these statements of yours tend to make me yearn for summer warmth, like
Natalie does. But I do not like to, yet, for there are many winter days coming
which I should rather be thankful for.

Kristin

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 04:49 PM 1/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > > He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.
> >
> >Were you naked?
> >
> >--
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> That's really none or our business.

Thank you!

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 02:22 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> >He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.
>
> ...sounds like almost the perfect housemate...

I think he will be. He'll only be here 4 nights/wk and he'll be
asleep most of the time he's here. He did help me change a lightbulb I
couldn't reach, though. So we're off to a good start.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:44:25 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Here's an idea. Forget the tax cuts entirely and raise the minimum wage,
stop taking out social security payments from the below-$40,000-group
for some length of time to be determined, while having the wealthy pay
SS contributions on their entire earned income, instead of getting a
free ride after their first whatever it is now ($60,000?).
 >>
Why aren't you and I running this country, and all of those (there MUST be
more) who think like that? VBG
I too, had that constipation problem a few months back, but it's cleared up
fortunately. You know, life is mysterious IMO. Here I am, having been a
smoker for more than 3/4 of my life, and I have no lung problems whatsoever.
The one time pneumonia was caused by something that happened during surgery.
I sincerely hope that all your problems go away soon, Alyce. You'd be
completely healthy if it were up to me, but as I stated before: "if wishes
were........ , etc. Anyway, just take it EZ for the time being, and be
patient. There will come a time when all of this becomes part of a bad dream,
I promise. I don't understand why the drs. didn't tell you about not being
allowed living alone, either. Have you been falling down in the past? It's
none of my business, and you don't need to answer, but how can you follow
medical advise if you don't know? FWIW, good thoughts going your way. Hang in
there for now. Theo

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Doris Markland wrote:
> > >
> > Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show
> > up at the table anymore.
>
> I rise from my sick bed to say Phooey! Oh, they'll be at the table when
> they get hungry. The others may not be, because they will have died of
> malnutrition.

One thing the story left out was that the restaurant was already in debt
and that the manager was now about to put it farther in debt.  The
kitchen helpers are being laid off, the hygiene is slipping since
there's not enough money for decent dishwashing detergent, and soon
they'll be buying spoiling food on sale.  The wealthy will take their
money and go off to eat in the Caribbean, of course, while the others
catch the epizoodics from the slipping kitchen standards and the rotten
food.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.

Were you naked?

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > >Were you naked?
> > That's really none or our business.
> Thank you!

Well, I was worried about the hungry cat.  Didn't you say you're naked
when you feed it?

--
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My uncle asked me whether I knew what a copy of Eudora Welty's _Music
from Spain_ numbered 131 and signed by her was worth.  I told him I
had no idea.  Do you have any idea, Alyce?  I think that was a short
story that was published by itself in the '40s.
   --Natalie Maynor (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

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At 02:34 PM 1/11/2003 -0600, Natalie  wrote:

>Betty wrote:
>
> > And I'll pick you up in SFO.
>
>You are kind.  But you might want to talk to Elaine before making such
>an offer.  Not only did she have to dawdle around there for ages and
>ages (my flight was on time -- actually early -- but it didn't have a
>parking place and had to sit there at on the tarmac for an hour or so),
>but she lost her cell phone in the parking lot.  Moral of the story:
>Meeting Natalie at SFO does not have a good history.

or, the moral of the story is, Elaine can be particularly lame at times ....

--Elaine

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > >Were you naked?
> > > That's really none or our business.
> > Thank you!
>
> Well, I was worried about the hungry cat.  Didn't you say you're naked
> when you feed it?

Often. But didn't you read my earlier post about today being the last
day I can go naked?

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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The Jan 2003 issue of Southern Living has a little puff piece on
Lexington.  I couldn't resist buying it, Natalie, despite having
to wade through all the banana-pudding recipes and so forth.
Also, Oxford American magazine has "relaunched" itself, from
Little Rock.  It will never be the same, I fear.

Just back from a deferred holiday trip to Tupelo.  Got Bobbie Ann
Mason to inscribe a copy of her -Elvis Presley-, a fine
interpretative account of The King.  Can't say enough about the
Tupelo Automobile Museum, just opened in December.  Haven't seen
many auto museums, but I don't see how they could get much
better.  Johnnie's Bar-B-Q, etc.

What's been going on listwise?

brad

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Rita:

> > Part of the reason the govt does this is because they're coddling
> > farmers by buying grains there's no market for. Messing around
> > with supply and demand. All they can do is give it away. And it
> > keeps farmers producing something. Never mind if there's a market
. > for it.


>        Beats turning good farmland into subdivisions.

Not a McMansion fan? You have a point but that battle's already
lost, I think. ' round these parts new subdivisions full of
5000 sq.ft. monstrosities seem to crop up every other day.

I'd rather give the farmers tax money to do nothing - sit on
their land, so to speak.

-rashmi




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Elaine:

> >Meeting Natalie at SFO does not have a good history.

>or, the moral of the story is, Elaine can be particularly lame at times
>....

You had horrible airport karma that trip. Remember the
awful traffic jam we were stuck in on the way to SFO?

So where are you these days?

-rashmi

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At 07:58 PM 1/14/2003 -0500, Brad Grissom wrote:
>The Jan 2003 issue of Southern Living has a little puff piece on
>Lexington.  I couldn't resist buying it, Natalie, despite having
>to wade through all the banana-pudding recipes and so forth.
>Also, Oxford American magazine has "relaunched" itself, from
>Little Rock.  It will never be the same, I fear.
>
>Just back from a deferred holiday trip to Tupelo.  Got Bobbie Ann
>Mason to inscribe a copy of her -Elvis Presley-, a fine
>interpretative account of The King.  Can't say enough about the
>Tupelo Automobile Museum, just opened in December.  Haven't seen
>many auto museums, but I don't see how they could get much
>better.  Johnnie's Bar-B-Q, etc.
>
>What's been going on listwise?

13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.

Betty

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On 14 Jan 2003 at 19:58, Brad Grissom wrote:

> What's been going on listwise?

What's been going on is I've been waiting for you to surface so I
could ask you a very pressing question: Is there a procedure for
getting the Library of Congress to change information in its author
authority file or is that simply unheard of? More specifically, is
a person stuck with a name once it's recorded there or can it be
changed? Does that make any sense?


   mem

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Betty said:
> 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.

13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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At 04:52 AM 1/15/2003 +0000, Rashmi wrote:


>You had horrible airport karma that trip. Remember the
>awful traffic jam we were stuck in on the way to SFO?

now that you mention it, yes!  I'd managed to block it out of my mind for a
while ....

>  So where are you these days?

At the moment, I'm in the Boston area (through Monday), but I've mostly
been in Virginia (just outside of DC).  The vast majority of my stuff is in
storage in Denver, still, but I'm now considering myself based back in the
DC area -- except, of course, that my hairdresser is still in Denver, so
I'm stopping there in a couple of weeks to get a haircut on my way to San
Jose ....

--Elaine

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> I'm jealous of Rashmi's chicken dish and Bonnie's jambalaya. I was all set
> to make my mother's recipe for chicken in sour cream sauce* when I
> discovered I was missing a key ingredient and also the cauliflower I serve
> it with nowadays instead of pasta.
>
> So instead, I pan-fried the boneless skinless chicken thighs with
> a liberal
> sprinkling of Goya adobo and stir-fried a bunch of frozen vegs. Tasty and
> good, but not what I'd been looking forward to having.
>
> --Adam
> adamh1@attbi.com
>
> * This "recipe" must come straight from 1972. Mix a can of cream
> of mushroom
> soup with a cup of sour cream, add to browned chicken pieces, and
> simmer for
> 30 minutes if using boneless chicken or 45 minutes for bone-in
> chicken. Now
> that I think about it, this is the only recipe I have from my mother. I
> discovered in college that it's much better when I season the chicken
> liberally with Goya adobo.

Good idea....subbing cauliflower for pasta. I made a nice pakistani style
cauliflower dish the other day. I didn't think much of cauliflower when I
was a kid but it can be real tasty.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/14/2003 5:50:09 PM Central Standard Time,
rmirth@HOTMAIL.COM writes:


> You might have this backward. Commodity prices worldwide have
> tumbled in the last decade and a half and US/European farmers
> constantly whine about prices being too low. Government
> intervention artificially *raises* prices and promotes
> production in excess of demand which lowers prices further.
> So the cycle starts again -farmers whine about low prices,
> govt. buys agr. products at higher price than the market will
> bear and so on. Govt. subsidies like the huge Bush agricultural
> handout artificially raises prices of farm products.  Free market
> is a lovely thing on paper and to lecture other countries about
> but the US govt (and EU) does not practice it. This particular
> administration is really bad - they barely pay lip service to
> "free market

  - Rashmi

I understand this.  Nevertheless, the system is not working.
One by one the farmers are going broke.

                    - D. M.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 09:15:26PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= Betty said:
= > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
=
= 13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.
=

No, me.  It's my birthday!
(but if you really did this I would defer to Karen)

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Brad Grissom wrote:
>
> The Jan 2003 issue of Southern Living has a little puff piece on
> Lexington.  I couldn't resist buying it, Natalie, despite having
> to wade through all the banana-pudding recipes and so forth.

Banana pudding is even on its cover.  But I haven't opened it yet.  Will
do so with enthusiasm now.

> Also, Oxford American magazine has "relaunched" itself, from
> Little Rock.  It will never be the same, I fear.

Now this is old news.  And yes -- there are worries that it may never be
the same.  I heard somebody talking about that on NPR just yesterday.
The problem was that it was move to LR or die.

> What's been going on listwise?

Well, you missed my crying out for you to talk about basketball.  Too
late now.  I'm no longer interested now that our creampuff season is
over and we're losing all our games.  (One thing I will say, though, is
that I am mystified by rankings.  I thought for sure we would've
vanished from this week's polls, but I heard that we dropped only
something like six slots and are listed now as #14.  That sounds crazy.
But it did make me decide that I'll give us one more five-minute chance
-- or probably less than five minutes.  I'm going to turn on tv tonight
and watch the beginning of the Alabama game.  Will turn it off as soon
as we're woefully behind.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > >Were you naked?
> > > > That's really none or our business.
> > > Thank you!
> >
> > Well, I was worried about the hungry cat.  Didn't you say you're naked
> > when you feed it?
>
> Often. But didn't you read my earlier post about today being the last
> day I can go naked?

Of course.  That's why I was surprised by the "none of our business"
part above since it was not as if we were the ones who had introduced
the topic of nakedness.  I was simply curious about whether you got the
timing right -- whether you did manage to cover yourself before the
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Elaine M Brennan wrote:

> or, the moral of the story is, Elaine can be particularly lame at times ....

No, I assume full responsibility.  Or I guess I could blame it on the
airport people for not having a parking place ready for that plane.  If
you hadn't had to stand around in the airport all that time, then you
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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> You had horrible airport karma that trip. Remember the
> awful traffic jam we were stuck in on the way to SFO?

And wasn't it right after leaving the airport with me that we failed to
find you at the train station?

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Betty wrote:

> 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.

I didn't realize it was an unlucky number.  That would've made me work
very hard to add myself to make the number better (except that I happen
to like 13 -- some of my happiest days have been Friday the 13ths).  I
checked the cybersavers this morning, though, and found no SFO.  They
were particularly unappealing this week except for Boston.  That may be
just as well, though, since we have possible sleet/snow in the forecast
for both the beginning and the end of the weekend, meaning that it would
not be a good time to have travel plans -- except that it's likely that
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Doris Markland wrote:

> I understand this.  Nevertheless, the system is not working.
> One by one the farmers are going broke.

Have I mentioned before that you should always check to see where your
catfish are from when buying/ordering catfish?  If they're from Vietnam,
just say no.  That's been a big news item around here the past year or
so since the catfish farmers have been suffering because of cheap
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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Doris Markland wrote:
>
>
>>I understand this.  Nevertheless, the system is not working.
>>One by one the farmers are going broke.
>>
>
> Have I mentioned before that you should always check to see where your
> catfish are from when buying/ordering catfish?  If they're from Vietnam,
> just say no.  That's been a big news item around here the past year or
> so since the catfish farmers have been suffering because of cheap
> Vietnamese catfish.


        Catfish tastes icky.




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Rashmi Murthy wrote:

> Rita:
>
>> > Part of the reason the govt does this is because they're coddling
>> > farmers by buying grains there's no market for. Messing around
>> > with supply and demand. All they can do is give it away. And it
>> > keeps farmers producing something. Never mind if there's a market
>
> . > for it.
>
>
>>        Beats turning good farmland into subdivisions.
>
>
> Not a McMansion fan? You have a point but that battle's already
> lost, I think. ' round these parts new subdivisions full of
> 5000 sq.ft. monstrosities seem to crop up every other day.
>
> I'd rather give the farmers tax money to do nothing - sit on
> their land, so to speak.


        Here to.  I don't know that it is wise to keep getting rid of
crop land with the world population growing as it is.  It
seems to me as the quantity of food produced goes up, the
quality goes down.  Food is too cheap and housing is too
expensive.




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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 05:36:46AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Doris Markland wrote:
=
= > I understand this.  Nevertheless, the system is not working.
= > One by one the farmers are going broke.
=
= Have I mentioned before that you should always check to see where your
= catfish are from when buying/ordering catfish?  If they're from Vietnam,
= just say no.  That's been a big news item around here the past year or
= so since the catfish farmers have been suffering because of cheap
= Vietnamese catfish.
=

What've you got against the Vietnamese making a buck?

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Rita Chapman wrote:

>         Catfish tastes icky.

I agree.  I've never liked catfish.

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steph wrote:

> What've you got against the Vietnamese making a buck?

I can't remember now what I've read about what's wrong with the
Vietnamese catfish.  One thing, I guess, is that it wouldn't be fresh.
But then I eat orange roughy, which is never fresh (here).  (Catfish
normally is fresh in the grocery stores around here.)  Anyway,
supposedly there's something <bad> about Vietnamese catfish, risking
giving catfish a bad reputation.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.
>
> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

Sounds like the perfect housemate.


BrP

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>Brad Grissom wrote:
>
> > What's been going on listwise?

We are having a big party in Bar Harbor in July.  I hope you can come.


    --bonniev

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steph said:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 09:15:26PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = Betty said:
> = > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
> =
> = 13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.
> =
>
> No, me.  It's my birthday!
> (but if you really did this I would defer to Karen)

Thank you. Since my hard drive crash, I no longer have Outlook, else I
would put your birthday in.

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
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Natalie Maynor said:
> I was simply curious about whether you got the
> timing right -- whether you did manage to cover yourself before the
> roomer arrived.

He's not a roomer. Covering myself was easy, since we had an appt.

Karen
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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > He came, he left money, and he left until 8pm.
>
> Sounds like the perfect housemate.

Even better, he didn't come home till 9:30, and left before I got
up.

He's very quiet in any case, but I do have to say that one thing I
like about this house is the acoustics.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> My uncle asked me whether I knew what a copy of Eudora Welty's _Music
> from Spain_ numbered 131 and signed by her was worth.

It's, like, pretty valuable. There's one listed on line for $3750.00 at
the top end, and a handful between $500-$800.
Condition could make a difference of hundreds of dollars, possibly. Go
to http://www.bookfinder.com to peruse the listings, please.

alyce

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WASHINGTON -  " The nation's blood banks issued an urgent appeal 
for blood donations Tuesday, saying much of the country has less 
than a two-day supply on hand. 
        
Some hospitals are postponing elective surgeries because blood 
supplies are so low, with less than a single day's supply in certain 
areas. Banks try to keep a five- to seven-day supply on hand. In an
 unusual appeal, the nation's two main blood suppliers â€” the American 
Red Cross (<A HREF="http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_us/inlinks/*http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22American%20Red%20Cross%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw">news</A> - <A HREF="http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_us/inlinks/*http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?cs=nw&p=American%20Red%20Cross">web sites</A>) and America's Blood Centers â€” joined 
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supplies of two days or less. January is a traditionally tight month.
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This is a sore point for me.  I am healthy and strong, but because I have a boyfriend,
they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter giving 7 gallons.



BrP





> WASHINGTON -  " The nation's blood banks issued an urgent appeal
> for blood donations Tuesday, saying much of the country has less
> than a two-day supply on hand.
>
> Some hospitals are postponing elective surgeries because blood
> supplies are so low, with less than a single day's supply in certain
> areas. Banks try to keep a five- to seven-day supply on hand. In an
>  unusual appeal, the nation's two main blood suppliers â€” the American
> Red Cross (<A HREF="http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_us/inlinks/*http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22American%20Red%20Cross%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw">news</A> - <A
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> Tuesday to urge prompt donations. The Red Cross said that during
>  the past two weeks, its blood supplies have dropped by nearly half,
>  while more than 60 percent of America's Blood Centers' banks report
> supplies of two days or less. January is a traditionally tight month.
>  The American Association of Blood Banks, in announcing the joint
>  appeal, said this January seems worse than usual, partly due to
>  winter storms that crippled collections in some areas. "
>
>               -D. M.
>
>
>

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> This is a sore point for me.  I am healthy and strong, but because I have a boyfriend,
> they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter giving 7 gallons.
>
That is bloody stupid.

enraged in g'town
independent on-line booksellers association
selling books since 1963

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Supreme Court Upholds Copyright Law Extension
Wed January 15, 2003 10:12 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court upheld on Wednesday a 1998
law extending copyright protection by 20 years, delaying when creative
works such as Walt Disney Co.'s Mickey Mouse cartoons, F. Scott
Fitzgerald's novels and George Gershwin's songs become public property.

The 7-2 ruling was a victory for supporters of the law, including large
media companies and song publishers that argued the longer term was
needed
to protect a vital industry that contributes more than $500 billion to
the
U.S. economy.

It dealt a defeat to an Internet publisher and others who challenged the
law for limiting free speech and for harming the creative process by
locking up material they said should be in the public domain for all to
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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for the court majority that the U.S.
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At 09:15 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Betty said:
> > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
>
>13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.

We're counting on Natalie to even it out.  Are you trying to guilt us?

Betty

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Don't tell.

Betty

At 11:40 AM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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> >
> > This is a sore point for me.  I am healthy and strong, but because I
> have a boyfriend,
> > they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter
> giving 7 gallons.
> >
>That is bloody stupid.
>
>enraged in g'town
>independent on-line booksellers association
>selling books since 1963

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That would be SO not me.

BrP




> Don't tell.
>
> Betty
>
> At 11:40 AM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a sore point for me.  I am healthy and strong, but because I
> > have a boyfriend,
> > > they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter
> > giving 7 gallons.
> > >
> >That is bloody stupid.
> >
> >enraged in g'town
> >independent on-line booksellers association
> >selling books since 1963

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>"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > This is a sore point for me.  I am healthy and strong, but because I
> have a boyfriend,
> > they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter
> giving 7 gallons.
>
>That is bloody stupid.
>enraged in g'town

No surprise, though.   Every time I donate blood I am asked if I have had
sex with a man who has had sex with another man "even once".   I always
answer "not that I know of."   Once they asked if I had night sweats which
is a symptom of AIDS.  I answered in a very definite affirmative.  But the
woman asking was "of a certain age" and just smiled.   I'm going to donate
blood a week from Friday.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> No surprise, though.   Every time I donate blood I am asked if I have had
> sex with a man who has had sex with another man "even once".

But it makes no sense. Afaik, heterosexuals also get/have AIDS. What is
the point of this discrimination?

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> What is the point of this discrimination?

What is the point of any discrimination?

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Betty Clark said:
> At 09:15 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Betty said:
> > > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
> >
> >13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.
>
> We're counting on Natalie to even it out.  Are you trying to guilt us?

Whatever works.:)

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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>bonniev wrote:
> > No surprise, though.   Every time I donate blood I am asked if I have had
> > sex with a man who has had sex with another man "even once".
>
>But it makes no sense. Afaik, heterosexuals also get/have AIDS. What is
>the point of this discrimination?        --alyce

I guess they just play the odds.   They test the blood anyway before using
it.  Another huge elimination of potential donors are those who have spent
more than eight weeks in Europe in the last ten years.  I was told they
have to eliminate all those people because they do not yet have a test that
will show if blood is contaminated with Mad Cow disease.   So many things
in the world just don't make sense.   I'm going to go curl up on the couch
and read a book.  That won't help the world.  But it helps me.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay said:
> Betty Clark said:
> > At 09:15 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Betty said:
> > > > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
> > >
> > >13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.
> >
> > We're counting on Natalie to even it out.  Are you trying to guilt us?
>
> Whatever works.:)
>
> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

P.S. I would be VERY thankful.:)

Karen

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I just came from their concert, with Nina Gilbert as the conductor, in
the hall of Tartu University. Contented I am.

Kristin

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bonniev said:
> So many things
> in the world just don't make sense.   I'm going to go curl up on the couch
> and read a book.  That won't help the world.  But it helps me.

There was an essay in the paper today on that very topic. It started
with a Shrub press conference. Someone asked him if we were going to
war, and he asked "With which country?"

Karen
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A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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In a message dated 1/15/2003 11:34:08 AM Central Standard Time,
bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:


> So many things
> in the world just don't make sense.   I'm going to go curl up on the couch
> and read a book.  That won't help the world.  But it helps me.
>
>
>     --bonniev
>

Here in Waikiki we have a lovely little storm . . . pouring rain
and high winds bending the palms and turning umbrellas
inside out.  I'm sipping tea, looking out at turquoise working
up brilliant whitecaps.  I think I will curl up with a book too.

A friend gave me one for my annual "beach book" and I
think it is the most unusual book I have ever read.  It is called
"Geek Love".  Anyone read it?  Copyright 1983, author
Katherine Dunn, nominated for National Book Award.

            - D. M.

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Doris Markland said:
> A friend gave me one for my annual "beach book" and I
> think it is the most unusual book I have ever read.  It is called
> "Geek Love".  Anyone read it?  Copyright 1983, author
> Katherine Dunn, nominated for National Book Award.

Rita. Et al. I know we've discussed it here before.

Karen
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I know, but sometimes. . . . . for the greater good.

Betty

At 12:02 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>That would be SO not me.
>
>BrP
>
>
>
>
> > Don't tell.
> >
> > Betty
> >
> > At 11:40 AM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is a sore point for me.  I am healthy and strong, but because I
> > > have a boyfriend,
> > > > they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter
> > > giving 7 gallons.
> > > >
> > >That is bloody stupid.
> > >
> > >enraged in g'town
> > >independent on-line booksellers association
> > >selling books since 1963

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At 09:31 AM 1/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Karen Kay said:
> > Betty Clark said:
> > > At 09:15 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >Betty said:
> > > > > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
> > > >
> > > >13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.
> > >
> > > We're counting on Natalie to even it out.  Are you trying to guilt us?
> >
> > Whatever works.:)
> >
> > Karen
> > "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> > A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
>
>P.S. I would be VERY thankful.:)

LOL.   It's cold here.

Betty

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http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=41139

Interesting article about the "Good Samaritan Doctor."
--
alyce

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A bookseller just trilled that e e cummings is her heroine.

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alyce

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Finalists for National Book Critics Circle Awards
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01142003/tuesday/19947.asp

    By The Associated Press

    The finalists, announced Monday, for this year's National Book
Critics Circle awards:

    Fiction
    Jeffrey Eugenides, Middlesex (Farrar, Straus & Giroux).
    Aleksandar Hemon, Nowhere Man (Doubleday/Nan A. Talese).
    William Kennedy, Roscoe (Viking).
    Ian McEwan, Atonement (Doubleday/Nan A. Talese).
    Edith Templeton, The Darts of Cupid and Other Stories (Pantheon).

    General Nonfiction
    Chris Hedges, War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning (Public Affairs).
    William Langewiesche, American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade
Center
(FSG/North Point Press).
    Samantha Power, A Problem From Hell: America and the Age of Genocide
(Basic Books).
    Richard Rodriguez, Brown: The Last Discovery of America (Viking).
    Gaby Wood, Edison's Eve: A Magical History of the Quest for
Mechanical
Life (Knopf).

    Biography/Autobiography
    Janet Browne, Charles Darwin: The Power of Place, Vol. II (Knopf).
    Robert A. Caro, Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson
(Knopf).
    Elizabeth Gilbert, The Last American Man (Viking).
    Edmund S. Morgan, Benjamin Franklin (Yale University Press).
    Mark Zwonitzer with Charles Hirshberg, Will You Miss Me When I'm
Gone?
The Carter Family and Their Legacy in American Music (Simon & Schuster).
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 12:33:44PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= >bonniev wrote:
= > > No surprise, though.   Every time I donate blood I am asked if I have had
= > > sex with a man who has had sex with another man "even once".
= >
= >But it makes no sense. Afaik, heterosexuals also get/have AIDS. What is
= >the point of this discrimination?        --alyce
=
= I guess they just play the odds.   They test the blood anyway before using
= it.  Another huge elimination of potential donors are those who have spent
= more than eight weeks in Europe in the last ten years.  I was told they
= have to eliminate all those people because they do not yet have a test that
= will show if blood is contaminated with Mad Cow disease.   So many things
= in the world just don't make sense.   I'm going to go curl up on the couch
= and read a book.  That won't help the world.  But it helps me.
=
=
=     --bonniev

I used to give blood.  I know I gave more than a gallon when I
lived in Chico, because I have a keychain to prove it, and
probably another gallon in all the misc. places I was living at
the time.  But I haven't given blood since I've moved to
Amsterdam, so not in the last 12 years.

Anyway, since I live in Europe, and we must get our blood from
somewhere, and I wouldn't be eligible to give blood in Amerika,
even though I've been a vegetarian the whole time I've lived here
so the chances of me suffering from CJD are maybe a lot less than the
rest of you dead cow eaters anyway, I thought I'd look for the
blood bank website.

And now I know a lot more about how things are done here.
Nothing on the web site about not being able to give just because
you had sex with a man who has had sex with a man (but it may be
that they're being coy and not saying it straight out).  As for
CJD, there are certain hormones you may not have taken, no brain
membrane transplants, and none of your direct relatives may have
had CJD.

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Betty Clark said:
> At 09:31 AM 1/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Karen Kay said:
> > > Betty Clark said:
> > > > At 09:15 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > >Betty said:
> > > > > > 13 of us are going to Santa Rosa Sunday to see Myles.
> > > > >
> > > > >13 is an unlucky number! You should fly me in.
> > > >
> > > > We're counting on Natalie to even it out.  Are you trying to guilt us?
> > >
> > > Whatever works.:)
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> > > A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."
> >
> >P.S. I would be VERY thankful.:)
>
> LOL.   It's cold here.

It's going to be in the 20's here the next two nights, which means my
lettuce and herbs are going to be mush.:(

I have to rescue Ligniere's fern, too.

I gave my kitty some raw salmon pieces last night and she threw them
out of her food bowl!

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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alyce cresap said:
> A bookseller just trilled that e e cummings is her heroine.

LOL. Maybe she meant heroin?!

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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>
> It's going to be in the 20's here the next two nights, which means my
> lettuce and herbs are going to be mush.:(

Living in a region with a growing season in the 150 day range it's hard to be too
sympathetic to this, but I am sorry that you will lose access to something you enjoy
so much.


>
> I have to rescue Ligniere's fern, too.

Is this a euphemism?


>
> I gave my kitty some raw salmon pieces last night and she threw them
> out of her food bowl!



Ha! A Portland cat would never have done this.


>
> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

BrP

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steph said:
> that they're being coy and not saying it straight out).  As for
> CJD, there are certain hormones you may not have taken, no brain
> membrane transplants, and none of your direct relatives may have
> had CJD.

What hormones?

Karen
"A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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> Anyway, since I live in Europe, and we must get our blood from
> somewhere, and I wouldn't be eligible to give blood in Amerika,
> even though I've been a vegetarian the whole time I've lived here


Is there no mad broccoli disease?

BrP

Paul R. Barfoot
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Syracuse University Library

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> LOL. Maybe she meant heroin?!

No. She simply is stupid. Everything from her mouth is stupid, but this
was stupider than usual. She sells religiously-oriented home-schooling
books. She may have been born again, but she didn't get a brain the
second time.

alyce

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At 02:02 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, BrP wrote:

>Is there no mad broccoli disease?

Don't think so, but for years I've suspected that there is a mad tofu disease.

By the way, Paul, I watched Syracuse the other night---they looked
good---and now they get Edelin back.  The Big East could be very
interesting this year.

cwv

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alyce cresap said:
> She may have been born again, but she didn't get a brain the
> second time.

LOL! You are funny when you're vicious, Alyce.

Karen

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>A bookseller just trilled that e e cummings is her heroine.

Tell her to write me immediately!

Bethany

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If "Geek Love" was discussed here it must have been
before my time.  Sorry I missed it.  Would like to know
what anyone else thought of the book.

                      - D. M.

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>
> Don't think so, but for years I've suspected that there is a mad tofu disease.


Yes.  I think you're right.  One of the symptoms is that the body gives off the odor of
patchouli.


>
> By the way, Paul, I watched Syracuse the other night---they looked
> good---and now they get Edelin back.  The Big East could be very
> interesting this year.
>
> cwv

It was a good game - what I saw of it.  I was working concessions.  It was one of the
loudest crowds I have heard. Working concessions is kind of fun.  The pay is very
good and the work is pretty easy.  I was assigned to "beer central" the large tent on
the floor of the dome, behind the scenes.  It's quite a circus - 7 or 8 different kinds of
beer.  There were a dozen or so of us opening and pouring at that stand alone and
I'll bet I opened about 300 bottles myself (at 4.50 per).  I'd love to know how much
they take in at those events.

BrP

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Karen Kay wrote:

> He's not a roomer. Covering myself was easy, since we had an appt.

Hmm.  And I chose that word carefully, remembering that somebody had
called him a boarder and you'd pointed out that that wasn't true since
boarding includes food.

--
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alyce cresap wrote:
> > My uncle asked me whether I knew what a copy of Eudora Welty's _Music
> > from Spain_ numbered 131 and signed by her was worth.
>
> It's, like, pretty valuable. There's one listed on line for $3750.00 at
> the top end, and a handful between $500-$800.
> Condition could make a difference of hundreds of dollars, possibly. Go
> to http://www.bookfinder.com to peruse the listings, please.

Heavens.  I wouldn't have guessed anything like that high.  Thanks.

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Doris Markland wrote:
>
> WASHINGTON -  " The nation's blood banks issued an urgent appeal
> for blood donations Tuesday, saying much of the country has less
> than a two-day supply on hand.

There's nothing I can do but wait for the bloodmobile to come up here
the last Tuesday in the month and hope that my blood sinks instead of
floating this time.  It floated last time -- which was the end of
November.  They told me then that the next time would be January.  For
some reason they skip December.

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alyce cresap wrote:

> But it makes no sense. Afaik, heterosexuals also get/have AIDS. What is
> the point of this discrimination?

I understand the point of their questions, but they do seem odd in ways
-- as in they're still leaving lots of gaps.  Like how do they know that
somebody who spent just a week in England didn't eat any mad cow during
that week?  And I'm sure that some people consume more beef in a week
than others do in six months (not even counting vegetarians -- I should
ask the questioner sometime whether a vegetarian can give even after
spending a long time in England).  They don't seem to care what you ate
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Karen Kay wrote:

> There was an essay in the paper today on that very topic. It started
> with a Shrub press conference. Someone asked him if we were going to
> war, and he asked "With which country?"

I was happy to see a poster today for an anti-war rally in downtown
Starkville this weekend.  I will try to be there.

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> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > He's not a roomer. Covering myself was easy, since we had an appt.
>
> Hmm.  And I chose that word carefully, remembering that somebody had
> called him a boarder and you'd pointed out that that wasn't true since
> boarding includes food.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I'm glad he's not a border.  I hate borders. (I hate rumors too, but that's another
story)

BrP

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Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.

alyce
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 10:52:51AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > that they're being coy and not saying it straight out).  As for
= > CJD, there are certain hormones you may not have taken, no brain
= > membrane transplants, and none of your direct relatives may have
= > had CJD.
=
= What hormones?
=

growth or thyroid hormones

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  I don't understand why the drs. didn't tell you about not being
> allowed living alone, either.

They only meant for Monday night, Theo, following the bronchoscopy, in
case there were bleeding or anything.

> Have you been falling down in the past?

Nope.

alyce

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At 03:37 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
>days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
>say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
>One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
>still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.

All in all, very good news.

cwv

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I'm so glad alyce.  Now we can all focus our good energy on antibiotic success.

BrP



> Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
> days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
> say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
> One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
> still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.
>
> alyce

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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 03:37:29PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more

Yay!

Go Go Antibiotic!!!

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"Hump Day Buffet - $5.95"

Ann

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= "Hump Day Buffet - $5.95"
=
= Ann

It rhymes.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> I'm so glad alyce.  Now we can all focus our good energy on antibiotic success.

Thanks. Yes. And they just called again to give me more prednisone too.

alyce

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> Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
> days). Then we decide.

Good tone, Alyce!  & yay yay yay.

Ann

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>Not cancer.

Excellent!

Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
>days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
>say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
>One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
>still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.

Continue tqking care ...

Bethany

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=
= Is there no mad broccoli disease?
=
= BrP
=

No.  But you know we vegetarians are all skinny sickly
malnourished waifs.  Can't possibly be any worse.

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Bless your heart!
I  will continue to PRAY for that "stuff" to go away quickly!
Meanwhile, be a good girl take your medicine!

My best~~

Nina
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alyce

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Well it would sound funny to say "Bless your lungs"

:-)


BrP


> Bless your heart!
> I  will continue to PRAY for that "stuff" to go away quickly!
> Meanwhile, be a good girl take your medicine!
>
> My best~~
>
> Nina
> --
> alyce

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I AM SO GLAD I CAME BACK TO THE COMPUTER!!  I was not going to come back
to it for another couple of hours, but something just made me come over
for one quick mail check.  Now I know what it was!  A bottle of
champagne has been sitting in my refrigerator for over a year now --
brought to me by some people at last year's xmas party.  I may just
uncork it in celebration.

True, a huge infection isn't exactly jolly, but I feel much better
knowing that's what it is.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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-On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 7:27 AM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>>         Catfish tastes icky.
>
> I agree.  I've never liked catfish.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


Must be in the preparation.  Although I agree simple baked catfish is not
all that tasty, blackened catfish is quite good.  Do you like other kinds
of fresh water fish?

Terry

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Bless your heart!

In case you need an interpretor -- that's a sincere one.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Remeber to point it away from your face.  I once got a very nasty bruise in the
middle of my forehead from standing too close to a similar celebration.

BrP





> champagne has been sitting in my refrigerator for over a year now --
> brought to me by some people at last year's xmas party.  I may just
> uncork it in celebration.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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--On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 10:45 AM -0800 Karen Kay
<karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:

> I gave my kitty some raw salmon pieces last night and she threw them
> out of her food bowl!

Since you are referring to her as 'my kitty'  have you settled on a name?

Terry

> Karen
> "A thankful person is thankful under all circumstances.
> A complaining soul complains even if he lives in paradise."

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Paul said:
<< > > they will not take my blood.  I had to quit donating 5 years agoafter
> giving 7 gallons.
> >
>That is bloody stupid.
 >>

I don't have the words for it's stupidity. Theo

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Terry Wild wrote:

> > I agree.  I've never liked catfish.

> Must be in the preparation.

That's what people always say about anything one doesn't like.  I can't
get it through people's heads that I really, truly dislike venison, for
example.  I've had venison cooked by known venison gourmet cooks, with
the deer itself properly handled by expert blood-drainers or whatever
they do at the scene of its murder.  The fact is that I just don't like
venison, no matter who cooks it and how.  I don't like straight venison,
I don't like venison chili, etc.

> Although I agree simple baked catfish is not
> all that tasty, blackened catfish is quite good.

I don't particularly like it in any form.  And I've had catfish cooked
in every imaginable way, including the <normal> way (fried).  I know
some catfish lovers, btw, who think it's a travesty to do anything to it
but fry it.  I do like hushpuppies, I should add, and sometimes get
hushpuppies in the cafeteria without getting the catfish they accompany.

> Do you like other kinds
> of fresh water fish?

Yes.  I'm trying to think now what they are.  Bass is one.  It's fun on
a camping trip to cook bass over an open fire.  But I dislike picking
out the bones.  Trout is fresh-water, right?  I remember the first
eating-out dish that I liked in childhood was trout almondine.  I really
like just about any water creatures, saltwater or freshwater, better
than catfish.  (I don't violently detest catfish, I should add.  I eat
it when offered it and don't find myself gagging or anything.  I just
choose it.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Remeber to point it away from your face.  I once got a very nasty bruise in the
> middle of my forehead from standing too close to a similar celebration.

Oh yes.  And I don't even do it indoors.  I go outside to uncork
champagne and aim it toward deserted areas.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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The subject header reminded me.  I can't find Lexington in my SL.  I
found stories on Memphis and Jackson and Charleston and Shreveport and
assorted other places but have not yet found Lexington.  What page is it
on?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:21:51 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< alyce cresap said:
> She may have been born again, but she didn't get a brain the
> second time.
 >>

ROFL As a matter of speech of course, because I could never get up again! Theo

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> it when offered it and don't find myself gagging or anything.  I just
> choose it.)
 |
don't

I also don't like looking at catfish.  It was the first fish I could
recognize, back in early childhood.  I hated it when I would pull in a
catfish.  (I also didn't like eating it in childhood, though I was never
a whiner about food.  I ate it when it was what was in front of me.  Or
at least ate most of it.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 1/15/2003 1:34:33 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< So I am off the hook for the Big
One, >>

Fantastic, so happy for you. A big hug from Theo

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I'm very glad to hear this Alyce.

lisa
who's going back to lurking now

At 03:37 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
>days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
>say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
>One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
>still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.
>
>alyce
>--
>alyce cresap, books & ephemera
>po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
>518.537.4727 | alybooks@valstar.net
>http://www.alybooks.com
>charter member: IOBA
>independent on-line booksellers association
>selling books since 1963

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--On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:28 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> Yes.  I'm trying to think now what they are.  Bass is one.  It's fun on
> a camping trip to cook bass over an open fire.  But I dislike picking
> out the bones.  Trout is fresh-water, right?  I remember the first
> eating-out dish that I liked in childhood was trout almondine.  I really
> like just about any water creatures, saltwater or freshwater, better
> than catfish.  (I don't violently detest catfish, I should add.  I eat
> it when offered it and don't find myself gagging or anything.  I just
> choose it.)
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Bass is good, Lillia and Will caught some on our April camping trip and I
fried them up.  The bones are a pain.  Neither child liked the fish.  Since
they eat most other kinds I cook, I suspect it was the 'pond' flavor they
didn't like.  Trout is good as well, but I think many of the commercial
fish is farm raised and tastes different from their wild cousins.

I'm one who eats almost all fish, even eels.  Haven't had any good ones up
here in ages.  Nothing beats fresh.

There are lots of people who don't like venison.  It has a 'taste' to it.
Of all the meats I've eaten I'd say lamb has the strongest taste.  I'm not
sure I've ever had mutton.  I see your point about the preparation comeback
and will choose to avoid that in the future, rephrasing along the lines of
asking if you've had it served in different ways.

Terry

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I just checked the date for this year's Catfish Festival.  It's April 5
-- in Belzoni, MS, where it always is.  Y'all should come on down and
eat some catfish while watching the crowning of Miss Catfish.

http://www.catfishcapitalonline.com/festival02.htm

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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In a message dated 1/15/2003 1:42:53 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< They only meant for Monday night, Theo, following the bronchoscopy, in
case there were bleeding or anything.
 >>

Oh, but still..... Suppose, goddess forbids, something bad had happened;
wouldn't it have been helpful, if you HAD known? Wondering in CO., Theo

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Terry Wild wrote:

> There are lots of people who don't like venison.  It has a 'taste' to it.

I'm so glad to hear you say that!  I get sooo tired of people telling me
that I just <think> I don't like it and that I just must not have had it
<cooked right>.

> Of all the meats I've eaten I'd say lamb has the strongest taste.  I'm not

I like lamb, though.  Its taste isn't like the venison taste.

> sure I've ever had mutton.  I see your point about the preparation comeback
> and will choose to avoid that in the future, rephrasing along the lines of
> asking if you've had it served in different ways.

Actually, after I read farther, it was clear that that's what you meant
-- had it served in different ways.  And I'm sure it's true that in some
cases with some people and some foods, they really haven't had it cooked
<right>.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> True, a huge infection isn't exactly jolly, but I feel much better
> knowing that's what it is.

Bless your heart.

alyce

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At 03:37 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
>days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
>say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
>One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
>still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.
>
>alyce

Yea!!

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At 03:28 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Terry Wild wrote:
>
> > > I agree.  I've never liked catfish.
>
> > Must be in the preparation.
>
>That's what people always say about anything one doesn't like.  I can't
>get it through people's heads that I really, truly dislike venison, for
>example.  I've had venison cooked by known venison gourmet cooks, with
>the deer itself properly handled by expert blood-drainers or whatever
>they do at the scene of its murder.  The fact is that I just don't like
>venison, no matter who cooks it and how.  I don't like straight venison,
>I don't like venison chili, etc.

Elk rules.

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > True, a huge infection isn't exactly jolly, but I feel much better
> > knowing that's what it is.
>
> Bless your heart.

Now that one is subject to various possible interpretations.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap said:
> Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
> days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
> say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
> One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
> still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.

I'm SO glad it's not cancer, though.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Betty wrote:

> Elk rules.

The reindeer I had in Finland wasn't terrible, but it's not something I
would choose to have again.  A wee bit too close in taste to its
cousins.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap said:
> "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
> >
> > I'm so glad alyce.  Now we can all focus our good energy on antibiotic success.
>
> Thanks. Yes. And they just called again to give me more prednisone too.

Prednisone works really, really well. I just hate the side effects.

Karen
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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> Remeber to point it away from your face.

That's what the towel over the top is for.

Karen
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Terry Wild said:
> --On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 10:45 AM -0800 Karen Kay
> <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> wrote:
>
> > I gave my kitty some raw salmon pieces last night and she threw them
> > out of her food bowl!
>
> Since you are referring to her as 'my kitty'  have you settled on a name?

Who else's kitty would she be? No, no names.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Now that one is subject to various possible interpretations.
>
It was sincere, because you were so excited at my news.

alyce

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Terry Wild wrote:

> -On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 7:27 AM -0600 Natalie Maynor
> <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:
>
>
>>Rita Chapman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>        Catfish tastes icky.
>>>
>>I agree.  I've never liked catfish.
>>
>>--
>> -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>>
>
>
> Must be in the preparation.  Although I agree simple baked catfish is not
> all that tasty, blackened catfish is quite good.  Do you like other kinds
> of fresh water fish?
>


        No, I just don't like catfish.  It has a heavy, oily flavor
that I don't care for.  I like most other kinds of fish,
salt and fresh.




--
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> > Since you are referring to her as 'my kitty'  have you settled on a name?
>
>Who else's kitty would she be? No, no names.
>Karen         Poking and prying with purpose

Because she won't name it, let's us name it.   I vote for "Fluids".   Here
Fluids.   Dinner time Fluids.   That's a good little Fluids.   It will
remind Karen to drink her fluids.


    --bonniev

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Doris Markland wrote:

> If "Geek Love" was discussed here it must have been
> before my time.  Sorry I missed it.  Would like to know
> what anyone else thought of the book.


        I had an interesting conversation once about the book with an
blind woman who is a professional advocate for the disabled.
  Apparently, the disabled community didn't make heads or
tales of it anymore than I did.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Karen Kay wrote:
> Prednisone works really, really well. I just hate the side effects.

Karen, every time I mention a drug that has been prescribed, you tell me
that it has bad side effects. It does not help me to gain confidence.
So, what are the prednisone side effects? I did not notice anything when
I took the batch a couple of weeks ago.

alyce

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I'm waiting for Middlesex to come out in paperback.  I'm
waiting for Fr. Rich to finish Atonement and pass it along
to me (it's circulating among the usual suspects in the
parish).

alyce cresap wrote:

> Finalists for National Book Critics Circle Awards
> http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01142003/tuesday/19947.asp
>
>     By The Associated Press
>
>     The finalists, announced Monday, for this year's National Book
> Critics Circle awards:
>
>     Fiction
>     Jeffrey Eugenides, Middlesex (Farrar, Straus & Giroux).
>     Aleksandar Hemon, Nowhere Man (Doubleday/Nan A. Talese).
>     William Kennedy, Roscoe (Viking).
>     Ian McEwan, Atonement (Doubleday/Nan A. Talese).
>     Edith Templeton, The Darts of Cupid and Other Stories (Pantheon).
>
>     General Nonfiction
>     Chris Hedges, War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning (Public Affairs).
>     William Langewiesche, American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade
> Center
> (FSG/North Point Press).
>     Samantha Power, A Problem From Hell: America and the Age of Genocide
> (Basic Books).
>     Richard Rodriguez, Brown: The Last Discovery of America (Viking).
>     Gaby Wood, Edison's Eve: A Magical History of the Quest for
> Mechanical
> Life (Knopf).
>
>     Biography/Autobiography
>     Janet Browne, Charles Darwin: The Power of Place, Vol. II (Knopf).
>     Robert A. Caro, Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson
> (Knopf).
>     Elizabeth Gilbert, The Last American Man (Viking).
>     Edmund S. Morgan, Benjamin Franklin (Yale University Press).
>     Mark Zwonitzer with Charles Hirshberg, Will You Miss Me When I'm
> Gone?
> The Carter Family and Their Legacy in American Music (Simon & Schuster).
> ---------------
> alyce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> alyce cresap, books & ephemera
> po box 20, germantown, ny 12526
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> http://www.alybooks.com
> charter member: IOBA
> independent on-line booksellers association
> selling books since 1963
>
>


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At 04:41 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm very glad to hear this Alyce.
>
>lisa
>who's going back to lurking now

Why?  I like it when you interject more often. Do you have a life or something?

Betty

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Prednisone works really, really well. I just hate the side effects.
>
> Karen, every time I mention a drug that has been prescribed, you tell me
> that it has bad side effects. It does not help me to gain confidence.
> So, what are the prednisone side effects? I did not notice anything when
> I took the batch a couple of weeks ago.

I'm not Karen, but prednisone makes me puffy, but I'd rather puff than
huff.  I think it also increases bruising possibilities... so make sure
you point the cork away from your face.

I'm so thrilled that cancer has been ruled out.  Now, let's root for
those pills. Please keep drinking those fluids and cough, cough, cough.
 Pretty please.

--
Sylvia Edwards
Litopia    http://www.edwardsly.com
Sylvie's Place    http://www.geocities.com/s.words/

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At 05:09 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>> > Since you are referring to her as 'my kitty'  have you settled on a name?
>>
>>Who else's kitty would she be? No, no names.
>>Karen         Poking and prying with purpose
>
>Because she won't name it, let's us name it.   I vote for "Fluids".   Here
>Fluids.   Dinner time Fluids.   That's a good little Fluids.   It will
>remind Karen to drink her fluids.

And we can refer to the kitty as "Fl**S.

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bonniev said:
> Because she won't name it, let's us name it.

Let's not.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen, every time I mention a drug that has been prescribed, you tell me
> that it has bad side effects.

Sorry. A lot of drugs DO have bad side effects; Levaquin and
prednisone happen to be two of the worst.

> It does not help me to gain confidence.

They both can be extremely effective. Sometimes you just have to take
sucky drugs. But I will be more careful in what I say.

> So, what are the prednisone side effects? I did not notice anything when
> I took the batch a couple of weeks ago.

It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).

Okay, here's a list from
http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:

Common Side Effects

Check with your doctor if any of the following side effects continue
or are bothersome:

    * increased appetite
    * indigestion
    * nervousness or restlessness

Less frequent or rare

Check with your doctor if any of the following side effects continue
or are bothersome:

    * darkening or lightening of skin color
    * dizziness or lightheadedness
    * flushing of face or cheeks
    * hiccups
    * increased joint pain (after injection into a joint)
    * increased sweating
    * sensation of spinning

Always Notify Doctor
Less common

    * Decreased or blurred vision
    * frequent urination
    * increased thirst

Rare

    * blindness (sudden, when injected in the head or neck area)
    * burning, numbness, pain, or tingling at or near place of
    * injection
    * confusion
    * excitement
    * false sense of well-being
    * hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not
    * there)
    * mental depression
    * mistaken feelings of self-importance or being mistreated
    * mood swings (sudden and wide)
    * redness, swelling, or other sign of allergy or infection at
    * place of injection
    * restlessness
    * skin rash or hives

There are other side effects that may occur if you're on predisone for
a long time. If you're on it for longer than a few days, you have to
take steps to prevent withdrawal.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> Living in a region with a growing season in the 150 day range it's hard to be too
> sympathetic to this, but I am sorry that you will lose access to something you enjoy
> so much.

Thank you. Actually, I have five seed catalogs, so I can concentrate
on indoor farming for a while. If these ones turn their toes up, new
tomatoes go in in February or early March.

> > I have to rescue Ligniere's fern, too.
>
> Is this a euphemism?

LOL. It could be!

> > I gave my kitty some raw salmon pieces last night and she threw them
> > out of her food bowl!
>
> Ha! A Portland cat would never have done this.

True. A Portland cat would have demanded the head as well.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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The verdict on the drinking Chicagoans:

0408 UTC - (N39.75 W088.50) - Chicago
Comments: The Tribune's meteorologist, Tom Skilling, wrote about
what you saw in Wednesday's paper. He says it wasn't the aurora,
but light rays reflecting off the dry snow in the air in a
particular way. He had a name for it but I don't remember what i
was. I can't find the article in the Trib online but maybe he'll
talk about it on the WGN news tonight.


    --bonniev

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>Karen
>Poking and prying with purpose

At what are you poking and prying and with what purpose?  Please do not
answer if it involves bodily fluids.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap wrote:

> It was sincere, because you were so excited at my news.

I'm still feeling the glow of the happy moment when I read the news, but
I've decided not to open the champagne.  A whole bottle of champagne
needs company.  What I'm going to do, though, is designate it as the
Alyce's-good-news champagne and will shoot its cork into the yard the
first time another Wordsler is here.  That person (or people -- doesn't
have to be just one) and I will then toast Alyce with the champagne.

Hear that, Brad?  Next time you're in Tupelo, think about the fact that
in just a bit over an hour you could be in Starkville.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev wrote:

> Because she won't name it, let's us name it.   I vote for "Fluids".   Here
> Fluids.   Dinner time Fluids.   That's a good little Fluids.   It will
> remind Karen to drink her fluids.

But Phlegm has a nicer ring to it.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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> In a message dated 1/15/2003 1:34:33 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:
>
> << So I am off the hook for the Big
> One, >>
>

This is fantastic!  Now to beat the pneumonia!

Best to you,
Terry

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bonniev wrote:
>
> The verdict on the drinking Chicagoans:

Do we know yet whether Tushar was with them?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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--On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 2:05 PM -0800 Betty
<bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

> Elk rules.
>
> Betty

Are you bringing some to Acadiafest?   I'd love to try some. :-)

Terry

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--On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:50 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

>
>> There are lots of people who don't like venison.  It has a 'taste' to it.
>
> I'm so glad to hear you say that!  I get sooo tired of people telling me
> that I just <think> I don't like it and that I just must not have had it
> <cooked right>.
>


One thing that needs to mentioned about venison - if the cleaner/butcher
makes a mistake and touches the scent glands on the back legs of the bucks,
the meat can easily become tainted.

Terry

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bonniev said:
> >Karen
> >Poking and prying with purpose
>
> At what are you poking and prying and with what purpose?  Please do not
> answer if it involves bodily fluids.

Anything I can find. It's from a Zora Neale Hurston passage My Evil
Twin brought to my attention. The passage talks about what research is.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Karen Kay wrote:

> bonniev said:
>
>>>Karen
>>>Poking and prying with purpose
>>>
>>At what are you poking and prying and with what purpose?  Please do not
>>answer if it involves bodily fluids.
>>
>
> Anything I can find. It's from a Zora Neale Hurston passage My Evil
> Twin brought to my attention. The passage talks about what research is.
>


        I'm reading _Their Eyes Were Watching God_ right now.  It's
quite beautiful, though I'm not sure the kids will really
get it.  I think I'll sandwich it between TTC & Julius Caesar.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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On Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 13:48, alyce cresap wrote:

> Finalists for National Book Critics Circle Awards
> http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01142003/tuesday/19947.asp

>     Richard Rodriguez, Brown: The Last Discovery of America (Viking).

Somehow the publisher seems appropriate for this one.

Tony H.

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At 04:23 PM 1/15/2003 -0800, karen wrote:

> > >Poking and prying with purpose
>....
>Anything I can find. It's from a Zora Neale Hurston passage My Evil
>Twin brought to my attention. The passage talks about what research is.

"Whatever may be the limitations which trammel inquiry elsewhere, we
believe that the great state university of Wisconsin should ever encourage
that continual and fearless sifting and winnowing by which alone the truth
can be found."

U.W. Board of Regents, 1894
Now a memorial plaque (Class of 1910) at the entrance to Bascom Hall---now
the main adminstrative building on the campus.

cwv

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At 07:27 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, Terry Wild wrote:
>--On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 2:05 PM -0800 Betty
><bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Elk rules.
> >
> > Betty
>
>Are you bringing some to Acadiafest?   I'd love to try some. :-)

No, I only get it when visiting Montana. Send Alan on a hunting expedition.

Betty

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Rita Chapman said:
>         I'm reading _Their Eyes Were Watching God_ right now.  It's
> quite beautiful, though I'm not sure the kids will really
> get it.  I think I'll sandwich it between TTC & Julius Caesar.

Sounds like it might be blessed relief to them.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Sylvia Edwards wrote:
> I'm not Karen, but prednisone makes me puffy, but I'd rather puff than
> huff.

Oh yes. I am so tired of making sure that every breath I take is a good
breath. And none of them is, really. Shallow, not deep.

> I'm so thrilled that cancer has been ruled out.  Now, let's root for
> those pills. Please keep drinking those fluids and cough, cough, cough.
>  Pretty please.

Trying.

alyce
>
> --
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02003-01-15 | bonniev <bonniev@PANAX.COM> writes:
> The verdict on the drinking Chicagoans:
>
> 0408 UTC - (N39.75 W088.50) - Chicago
> Comments: The Tribune's meteorologist, Tom Skilling, wrote about
> what you saw in Wednesday's paper. He says it wasn't the aurora,
> but light rays reflecting off the dry snow in the air in a
> particular way. He had a name for it but I don't remember what i
> was. I can't find the article in the Trib online but maybe he'll
> talk about it on the WGN news tonight.

Of course it wasn't any freaking "aurora". I was as a matter of
fact drinking (not drunk-assed drinking) and looking at the skyline
at 9:45 or whatever time it was--and first off, it snowed sparsely
and continuously the entire night and secondly a lot of sky is
visible from this place and nobody saw a damn thing.

Conclusion: being in the suburbs makes you drink more and look
for a light in the sky ...

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02003-01-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> bonniev wrote:
>
> > The verdict on the drinking Chicagoans:
>
> Do we know yet whether Tushar was with them?

Yay!

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02003-01-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Bless your heart!
>
> In case you need an interpretor -- that's a sincere one.

Wow, the complexities of this expression defy comprehension!

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It's hard to survive around here.  Last year the Raider's coach and now
A's, Giant's, and Forty Niners! I seem to recall hearing about the Shark's
not too long ago, too.

Betty

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02003-01-15 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> I also don't like looking at catfish.  It was the first fish I could
> recognize, back in early childhood.  I hated it when I would pull in a
> catfish.  (I also didn't like eating it in childhood, though I was never
> a whiner about food.  I ate it when it was what was in front of me.  Or
> at least ate most of it.)

That's clearly why it is a "we don't eat that" fish back home too.
Too low-looking for an upwardly mobile family.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
 If you're on it for longer than a few days, you have to
> take steps to prevent withdrawal.

The other week and starting tomorrow, the dosage diminishes from 3 to 2
to 1 to 1/2 -- steps down every other day.

I want to try it. I have to breathe better than this. I am getting
exhausted.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>   What I'm going to do, though, is designate it as the
> Alyce's-good-news champagne and will shoot its cork into the yard the
> first time another Wordsler is here.

That may be the greatest honor every bestowed upon me.

alyce

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--On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 4:58 PM -0800 Betty
<bclark@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:

> No, I only get it when visiting Montana. Send Alan on a hunting
> expedition.
>
> Betty

I would but I don't think he can fit it in this year.  A friend of ours
went on a boar hunt in Florida, I think.  If I recall correctly, he used
his bow.  Very tender tasty ribs.

Terry

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Rita Chapman said:
>
>>        I'm reading _Their Eyes Were Watching God_ right now.  It's
>>quite beautiful, though I'm not sure the kids will really
>>get it.  I think I'll sandwich it between TTC & Julius Caesar.
>>
>
> Sounds like it might be blessed relief to them.


        I hope.  I'm leaving _Night_ until last under the secret hope
that I won't get to it.  I'm not sure I can stand to read it
... maybe in the spring I will be able to take it.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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We can talk about basketball -- but it's gotta be fast.  We may screw up
the second half the way we did in the Florida game.  So far it's been
fun, though.  Especially fun given the fact that there's a big
undercurrent in this game that people other places might not be aware of
but that people here are well aware of.  It was Alabama that stirred up
that bogus shit that kept Mario Austin out of the first six games
because they've been mad ever since he spurned their heavy recruiting
and came here.
--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> That's clearly why it is a "we don't eat that" fish back home too.
> Too low-looking for an upwardly mobile family.

And it causes earthquakes.

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alyce cresap wrote:
> >   What I'm going to do, though, is designate it as the
> > Alyce's-good-news champagne and will shoot its cork into the yard the
> > first time another Wordsler is here.
>
> That may be the greatest honor every bestowed upon me.

The big question is who will be the other partaker(s).  The race is on.
Whoever gets here first gets to participate in the honor-Alyce ceremony.

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>  If you're on it for longer than a few days, you have to
> > take steps to prevent withdrawal.
>
> The other week and starting tomorrow, the dosage diminishes from 3 to 2
> to 1 to 1/2 -- steps down every other day.
>
> I want to try it. I have to breathe better than this. I am getting
> exhausted.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to discourage you from trying it. I go on
prednisone, too, when nothing else works. I was thinking about doing
it again for my current <thing>.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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At 07:59 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
> > >   What I'm going to do, though, is designate it as the
> > > Alyce's-good-news champagne and will shoot its cork into the yard the
> > > first time another Wordsler is here.
> >
> > That may be the greatest honor every bestowed upon me.
>
>The big question is who will be the other partaker(s).  The race is on.
>Whoever gets here first gets to participate in the honor-Alyce ceremony.

Bring it with you to Santa Rosa!

Betty

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At 05:58 PM 1/15/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>alyce cresap said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> >  If you're on it for longer than a few days, you have to
> > > take steps to prevent withdrawal.
> >
> > The other week and starting tomorrow, the dosage diminishes from 3 to 2
> > to 1 to 1/2 -- steps down every other day.
> >
> > I want to try it. I have to breathe better than this. I am getting
> > exhausted.
>
>I'm sorry, I didn't mean to discourage you from trying it. I go on
>prednisone, too, when nothing else works. I was thinking about doing
>it again for my current <thing>.

Alyce, you need it.  Just do it.

Betty

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Betty wrote:

> >The big question is who will be the other partaker(s).  The race is on.
> >Whoever gets here first gets to participate in the honor-Alyce ceremony.
>
> Bring it with you to Santa Rosa!

Here's an idea:  Why don't y'all all come here this weekend.  That's a
much better idea than going to Santa Rosa.  We can sit around my house
sipping Alyce champagne.

I'm down on basketball again, btw.  But at least it was well into the
second half before Alabama first got ahead.  It's gonna be downhill from
now on, though.  I feel it.  That's a shame.  It would've been fun to
keep rubbing their noses in it on their home court.  At least we did it
for a while.

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At 08:36 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> > >The big question is who will be the other partaker(s).  The race is on.
> > >Whoever gets here first gets to participate in the honor-Alyce ceremony.
> >
> > Bring it with you to Santa Rosa!
>
>Here's an idea:  Why don't y'all all come here this weekend.  That's a
>much better idea than going to Santa Rosa.  We can sit around my house
>sipping Alyce champagne.


We already have a plan. It would be too complicated to change. Sandra is
not going to be able to make it though.

Betty

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In a message dated 1/15/2003 2:34:33 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:


>
> Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more
> days). Then we decide. She says she vacuumed out tons of yellow crap. I
> say there is more coming all the time. So I am off the hook for the Big
> One, but still not out of the woods because I still have some pain and
> still cannot breathe freely. Another cat scan in a month.
>
> alyce
>

Yahoo!!!!!

    - D. M.

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Not to be too pushy, but I'm wondering about arrangements for
Sunday/Monday.  Last I heard, the gathering was going to be at a restaurant
in Santa Rosa.  I think it was Sharon who mentioned that she would be
driving up from somewhere on the peninsula, and could thus stop by my hotel
and swoop me up en route.  And Janet was so kind as to offer a place to
stay Sunday night.

Do I have it all correct?

If so, I need details -- time of Sunday swoop, ways to get myself back to
SFO on Monday, etc.

I leave for SFO on Friday morning, will be at SF Airport Marriott (and
without email access) until Sunday.

PS.  In case you're interested in the baseball Hall of Fame and the various
elections it has underway, you're welcome to amble over to the Baseball
Prospectus website to view my article
(http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20030114traven.shtml) and even to
cast your votes.  That article includes a link to my earlier piece with the
results of our fan vote in the "regular" HOF balloting.

neal

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This is all I am going by which is from Myles.  I was on the road during
the arrangements.
---------
Anyway, unless there's an outcry for Mexican food at Chevy's,
then I suggest we convene at the Third Street Aleworks, a
lively brewery-hamburger joint at 610 3rd Street in downtown
Santa Rosa, sort of reminiscent of that Jupiter brewery in
Oakland. Very easy to get to right off 101, and there's
a municipal parking garage across the street. It's open on
Sundays, they can seat 10 or 12 people, there's a pool
table on the 2nd level, it's not pricey. What more can you
ask? Let's meet there at 2 p.m. on Sunday, Jan. 19.
Directions: When you get to Santa Rosa on 101, take the
"Downtown" exit. There's a stop light at the end of the off-
ramp. Go right and you're on West Third, which is the street the
Third Street Aleworks is on; it's only a coupla blocks down
on your right, maybe two stoplights. Watch for the
parking garage on the left, and after parking just cross
the street to the restaurant.




At 09:53 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Not to be too pushy, but I'm wondering about arrangements for
>Sunday/Monday.  Last I heard, the gathering was going to be at a restaurant
>in Santa Rosa.  I think it was Sharon who mentioned that she would be
>driving up from somewhere on the peninsula, and could thus stop by my hotel
>and swoop me up en route.  And Janet was so kind as to offer a place to
>stay Sunday night.
>
>Do I have it all correct?
>
>If so, I need details -- time of Sunday swoop, ways to get myself back to
>SFO on Monday, etc.
>
>I leave for SFO on Friday morning, will be at SF Airport Marriott (and
>without email access) until Sunday.
>
>PS.  In case you're interested in the baseball Hall of Fame and the various
>elections it has underway, you're welcome to amble over to the Baseball
>Prospectus website to view my article
>(http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20030114traven.shtml) and even to
>cast your votes.  That article includes a link to my earlier piece with the
>results of our fan vote in the "regular" HOF balloting.
>
>neal

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I don't like this overtime business, which is why I'm in here in a
different room.  Whatever happened to tying games?
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Betty wrote:

> We already have a plan. It would be too complicated to change. Sandra is
> not going to be able to make it though.

Not at all complicated!  Y'all just charter a plane and tell it to head
to the GTR.  I'll meet it.

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Windows XP has scanner software built in, and when it's actually
scanning, it says "Waiting on scanner". This cracks me up.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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This was supposed to be a good basketball year, but it has turned into
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Neal, Janet is no mail so you'd probably better write to both Janet and
Sharon privately for confirmation of any discussed plans.

Janet Hardy  is  verdie@EARTHLINK.NET

Sharon is  sharon@idiom.com

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Windows XP has scanner software built in, and when it's actually
> scanning, it says "Waiting on scanner". This cracks me up.

Why does it crack you up?  But I didn't know that I had built-in scanner
software.  I guess I hadn't had occasion to notice.

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|Pets are also suspect to the extreme cold. Keep pets indoors as much as
possible.

from:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=starkville%2C+ms

I'm not looking forward to the 11-degree temperature, but I don't think
Spencer needs to be worried about being suspect.  (It's not going to be
11 tonight.  I think that's Friday night.  And meanwhile our snow/sleet
forecast has been downgraded to not likely.)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Windows XP has scanner software built in, and when it's actually
> > scanning, it says "Waiting on scanner". This cracks me up.
>
> Why does it crack you up?

Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Natalie Maynor said:
> |Pets are also suspect to the extreme cold. Keep pets indoors as much as
> possible.
>
> from:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=starkville%2C+ms
>
> I'm not looking forward to the 11-degree temperature, but I don't think
> Spencer needs to be worried about being suspect.  (It's not going to be
> 11 tonight.  I think that's Friday night.  And meanwhile our snow/sleet
> forecast has been downgraded to not likely.)

We're supposed to be going down to 21. And my cat is staying outside.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> |Pets are also suspect to the extreme cold. Keep pets indoors as much as
> possible.
>
> from:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=starkville%2C+ms
>
> I'm not looking forward to the 11-degree temperature, but I don't think
> Spencer needs to be worried about being suspect.  (It's not going to be
> 11 tonight.  I think that's Friday night.  And meanwhile our snow/sleet
> forecast has been downgraded to not likely.)


        We're supposedly getting 4 - 8 inches, but not by tomorrow at
rush hour.  On the one hand, a snow day would be nice since
I was too sick to play in the snow we had at Christmas; but
on the other hand it would screw up exams, which I just want
to get over with (I'm sure the kids disagree).  What is most
likely is that Ana's school will be cancelled, but mine will
not.  Plus I get to learn how to reduce my stress tomorrow
afternoon.

        I did get a few minutes between grading marathons today to
decorate my classroom a little.  It is starting to shape up
and look a little more like mine.  My door still doesn't
stay unlocked, but I have a lovely doorstop and they finally
took out the decrepit seized-up filing cabinets.  Now if I
could only get social studies to come down and take away all
the circa 1960 geography books.

        And speaking of suspect pets, Roz is just the cuddliest dog
to sleep with.  She reminds me of Maynard (well, they are
closely related).  Gets right up next to me, stretches out
with her head on the pillow, and snores in my ear.  This
morning she had her paw on my forehead when I woke up.
Ahhhh, the joys of having Irish Setters.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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>We're supposed to be going down to 21. And my cat is staying outside.
>Karen

We are already down to 0 and all of our three cats are happily inside.


    --bonniev

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At 11:04 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>We're supposed to be going down to 21. And my cat is staying outside.
>>Karen
>
>We are already down to 0 and all of our three cats are happily inside.

It's 55 here.  Supposed to get up to 69 tomorrow.  I had to take my Bonnie
sox off.

Betty

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Neal Traven wrote:
> If so, I need details -- time of Sunday swoop, ways to get myself back to
> SFO on Monday, etc.

I don't know how long it takes to get from Burlingame to Santa Rosa and am
a little hazy on what time we're supposed to meet so it's hard to know
what time would be a good time to swoop you.

Can someone help me on this part?

Another potential swoopee is Bookrat.  I offered to give him a  ride from
Palo Alto on, but haven't heard from him.

Janet offered to drive from a SF bart station to Santa Rosa and I still
need to find out if she'd like to swoop us or be swooped.

Sharon

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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 03:30:04PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
= >
= > Remeber to point it away from your face.  I once got a very nasty bruise in the
= > middle of my forehead from standing too close to a similar celebration.
=
= Oh yes.  And I don't even do it indoors.  I go outside to uncork
= champagne and aim it toward deserted areas.
=

It is possible to suavely open a bottle of champagne and not have
the cork go flying anywhere.  I know.  I've done it myself.  All
you have to do is twist the cork and pull a little.  The
first time it's a bit of a surprise how much pressure the cork is
under, but it's really no big deal.

This is as good a skill to have in your repertoire as having
jumper cables in your car and knowing how to use them.

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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 05:09:51PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= > > Since you are referring to her as 'my kitty'  have you settled on a name?
= >
= >Who else's kitty would she be? No, no names.
= >Karen         Poking and prying with purpose
=
= Because she won't name it, let's us name it.   I vote for "Fluids".   Here
= Fluids.   Dinner time Fluids.   That's a good little Fluids.   It will
= remind Karen to drink her fluids.
=
=
=     --bonniev

Let's call it Lingerie.  Then it will make the world surreal and
confusing.  I mean, she feeds both of them, right?

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=
= We're supposed to be going down to 21. And my cat is staying outside.
=
= Karen
= Poking and prying with purpose

I am starting to keep an eye on the cats coming into my shelter
again, and they all have sob stories.  We just had a stretch of
below freezing weather and one of them was out in it and had to
have the tip of it's tail and the tops of it's ears amputated
because of frostbite.

Be nice to your kitty!  If it doesn't have some sheltering spot,
it probably would appreciate a cardboard box and crumpled
newspapers (I can't think of a better blanket replacement - you
wouldn't want to try to keep a blanket clean, I'm assuming).

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21:24 14.01.2003 +0200 skrev Kristin Sarv:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> I do put out cat food naked. But the cat food is in the back.
>>
>> Btw, my irises have started blooming. I'm afraid the freeze tomorrow
>> night and Thursday will kill the blooms.:(
>
>All these statements of yours tend to make me yearn for summer warmth, like
>Natalie does. But I do not like to, yet, for there are many winter days coming
>which I should rather be thankful for.

We have dangerous weather in Oslo now. For some days we have had a thaw in the day and some refreezing at night. It is almost impossible to see where there is a thin layer of ice or mixed ice/salt/oil. But OTOH it is cod season. Today I will boil (or rather leave them in almost boiling water for a few minutes) cod steaks - and as a side dish there is fresh cod liver (boiled). There is also fresh cod roe available but that is almost as expencive as the cod flesh so I son't buy it every time I buy cod. Cod heads are not so expensive BTW and I will look for cod tongues (which aren't really tongues) on Saturday. A kilogram of fresh cod cost around $ 20 in Oslo (much cheaper in the North) while a kilogram of fresh salmon goes for about $ 7.50. But cod os GOOD.

Espen

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19:50 15.01.2003 +0100 skrev steph:
>that they're being coy and not saying it straight out).  As for
>CJD, there are certain hormones you may not have taken, no brain
>membrane transplants, and none of your direct relatives may have
>had CJD.

They don't bother about that here, but they do about men who have sex with men. And people who have had certain kinds of hepatitis. And people who have stayed for more than a certain time in certain places (different times for different places). And there are places where you can stay for a certain time but have to wait for half a year before you can give blood etc. And also the question of where one's partner has been: I have simplified it by saying that Ingjerd has stayed in New Zealand since Tokelau is part of New Zealand, technically. But in any case I can't give now as long as I am using beta blockers and anti ACE drugs for my high blood pressure. For that, though, it seems that acupuncture is working very well. I will se my <traditional> GP tomorrow, and maybe I can reduce the drug intake further (I reduced it already somewhat in the middle of December).

Espen

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15:37 15.01.2003 -0500 skrev alyce cresap:
>Not cancer. Infection of some size. Finish current antibiotic (six more

Hooray!

Espen

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16:40 15.01.2003 -0500 skrev Terry Wild:
>There are lots of people who don't like venison.  It has a 'taste' to it.
>Of all the meats I've eaten I'd say lamb has the strongest taste.  I'm not

Grouse (lagopus lagopus or lagopus mutus) also has a very strong taste.

Espen

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14:05 15.01.2003 -0800 skrev Betty:
>At 03:28 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Terry Wild wrote:
>>
>>> > I agree.  I've never liked catfish.
>>
>>> Must be in the preparation.
>>
>>That's what people always say about anything one doesn't like.  I can't
>>get it through people's heads that I really, truly dislike venison, for
>>example.  I've had venison cooked by known venison gourmet cooks, with
>>the deer itself properly handled by expert blood-drainers or whatever
>>they do at the scene of its murder.  The fact is that I just don't like
>>venison, no matter who cooks it and how.  I don't like straight venison,
>>I don't like venison chili, etc.
>
>Elk rules.

Moose is good, but my favorite is reindeer!

Espen

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09:06 16.01.2003 +0100 skrev steph:
>On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 03:30:04PM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>= "Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>= >
>= > Remeber to point it away from your face.  I once got a very nasty bruise in the
>= > middle of my forehead from standing too close to a similar celebration.
>=
>= Oh yes.  And I don't even do it indoors.  I go outside to uncork
>= champagne and aim it toward deserted areas.
>=
>
>It is possible to suavely open a bottle of champagne and not have
>the cork go flying anywhere.  I know.  I've done it myself.  All
>you have to do is twist the cork and pull a little.  The
>first time it's a bit of a surprise how much pressure the cork is
>under, but it's really no big deal.
>
>This is as good a skill to have in your repertoire as having
>jumper cables in your car and knowing how to use them.

These two I have. Especially the second.

Espen


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alyce cresap wrote:

> Not cancer.

Good! A real relief.

> Infection of some size.

It is serious enough, of course, but medicines and coming spring together
give hope, don't they. I wonder why this infection makes it so difficult to
breathe. Or, this is perhaps an old thing, as you've used your oxygen
apparatus for long.

Kristin

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"Snowing to beat 60."

What's the possible origin of this saying?

Anyway, that's what it's doing outside here.

The NWS home page:

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/

AS

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> closely related).  Gets right up next to me, stretches out
> with her head on the pillow, and snores in my ear.  This
> morning she had her paw on my forehead when I woke up.

I miss Bernardykins!  He would sleep that way.  Spencer still spurns me
at night.

--
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>We have dangerous weather in Oslo now. For some days we have had a thaw in
>the day and some refreezing at night. It is almost impossible to see where
>there is a thin layer of ice or mixed ice/salt/oil.      --Espen

We call that black ice here.   It is indeed dangerous.   Here in Bar
Harbor, we haven't had a thaw in quite some time.  Right now it is -20C, -4F.


    --bonniev

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> >This is as good a skill to have in your repertoire as having
> >jumper cables in your car and knowing how to use them.
>
>These two I have. Especially the second.
>Espen

Getting a car rolling and then popping the clutch to get it started is
another good skill to have.  I was once so good at that, I could do it with
the car in reverse gear.  Not recommended.


    --bonniev

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08:19 16.01.2003 -0500 skrev bonniev:
>>>This is as good a skill to have in your repertoire as having
>>>jumper cables in your car and knowing how to use them.
>>
>>These two I have. Especially the second.
>>Espen
>
>Getting a car rolling and then popping the clutch to get it started is
>another good skill to have.  I was once so good at that, I could do it with
>the car in reverse gear.  Not recommended.

I usually do it forwards in second gear. There was a period last autumn before we got it (partly fixed) where I always tried to stop so that I could roll off. At times I had to use the starter engine to get the car out of a pocket to let it roll.

Espen

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Windows XP has scanner software built in, and when it's actually
> scanning, it says "Waiting on scanner". This cracks me up.

I do not see why it is funny. However, I do laugh at this:
Robert Goulet becomes Robert Goblet with spellchecker.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)

But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.

alyce

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Kristin Sarv wrote:

I wonder why this infection makes it so difficult to
> breathe.

Because they are old and wearing out, I think. It may be the pneumonia
that interferes with breathing and not the infection, I don't know. We
are talking about two different things going on at the same time. Maybe
it is the combination of the two.

alyce

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> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Windows XP has scanner software built in, and when it's actually
> > scanning, it says "Waiting on scanner". This cracks me up.
>
> I do not see why it is funny. However, I do laugh at this:
> Robert Goulet becomes Robert Goblet with spellchecker.
>
> alyce

Spell Check is funny - and so is Grammar Check.  I've seen some examples (I don't
remember where - was it here?) of passages from classic literature as spell and
grammar check would have them appear.


BrP

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Was there a huge storm in '60?  1860? 1960?  The local storm for comparison
purposes is the 1966 storm that dumped up to 120 inches  in 3 days.


BrP



> "Snowing to beat 60."
>
> What's the possible origin of this saying?
>
> Anyway, that's what it's doing outside here.
>
> The NWS home page:
>
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/
>
> AS

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Sharon Ziperovich said:
> I don't know how long it takes to get from Burlingame to Santa Rosa and am
> a little hazy on what time we're supposed to meet so it's hard to know
> what time would be a good time to swoop you.
>
> Can someone help me on this part?

It depends on traffic. The first time I visited my cousin in
Sebastopol, it took two and a half hours from Mountain View. The
second time, it took over 4 hours, because of traffic.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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At 05:08 PM 1/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>It's hard to survive around here.  Last year the Raider's coach and now
>A's, Giant's, and Forty Niners! I seem to recall hearing about the Shark's
>not too long ago, too.
>
>Betty

yeah but look how well it worked out for the Raiders.

lisa
shrunken jets fan.

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At 01:56 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
> > > My uncle asked me whether I knew what a copy of Eudora Welty's _Music
> > > from Spain_ numbered 131 and signed by her was worth.
> >
> > It's, like, pretty valuable. There's one listed on line for $3750.00 at
> > the top end, and a handful between $500-$800.
> > Condition could make a difference of hundreds of dollars, possibly. Go
> > to http://www.bookfinder.com to peruse the listings, please.
>
>Heavens.  I wouldn't have guessed anything like that high.  Thanks.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

I would pay that much for it. Of course I'm not currently in the position
to do so but, for Eudora Welty, I would definitely pay it!

lisa

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Was there a huge storm in '60?  1860? 1960?  The local storm for comparison
> purposes is the 1966 storm that dumped up to 120 inches  in 3 days.
>
Looks like March 12-14 1993 is the biggest ever.

http://www.ucar.edu/educ_outreach/webweather/blizzardstory.html

Don't see anything special about '60.

alyce
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steph said:
> Be nice to your kitty!

I am. It found the most sheltered spot in my yard during the rain
(behind a bush under the eaves)--this gives it a straight shot under
the eaves to the food bowl. I had put out some rags for it to sleep
on, but they got wet, so I put them in my dryer and put them out again
in a corner of the patio that doesn't get wet (and coincidentally is
even closer to the food bowl). It's going down to 21 for six hours--I
don't think my cat's going to get frostbite.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)
>
> But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.

Exactly.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> > Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.
>
> Exactly.

So you're saying that New Yorkers talk funny?

alyce

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At 07:36 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>>Rita Chapman said:
>>
>>>        I'm reading _Their Eyes Were Watching God_ right now.  It's
>>>quite beautiful, though I'm not sure the kids will really
>>>get it.  I think I'll sandwich it between TTC & Julius Caesar.
>>
>>Sounds like it might be blessed relief to them.
>
>
>        I hope.  I'm leaving _Night_ until last under the secret hope
>that I won't get to it.  I'm not sure I can stand to read it
>... maybe in the spring I will be able to take it.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Elie Wiesel's book? I read it in high school. It took until my junior year
in college to appreciate it.

lisa

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > > But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> > > Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.
> >
> > Exactly.
>
> So you're saying that New Yorkers talk funny?

No. But not everyone talks like New Yorkers.

Karen
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At 02:27 PM 1/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:41 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I'm very glad to hear this Alyce.
>>
>>lisa
>>who's going back to lurking now
>
>Why?  I like it when you interject more often. Do you have a life or
>something?
>
>Betty

Do I have a life? You decide...

I work.
I go to the gym 5 days a week.
I go home and spend the evening with my gf.
On weekends I sometimes go to the gym (depends on whether or not I've
missed a day during the week)  but mostly do chores and spend at least some
time with friends.

With the exception of this morning work has been keeping me rather busy.

No wait, the truth is, nearly two weeks ago (01/03/03) my company laid off
8 people. Since that time I've been doing everything thing I can think of
to be a good little worker. With my luck I'll make my job so efficient they
won't actually need me on hand to perform my tasks.

As for the number of people let go, I know it might not sound like much
(there were 48 total employees) but, it made a big impact on everyone.
Personally, I've been paranoid since my Aug. 2001 layoff. Just when I
forgot to be scared, this comes up. So it's back to being paranoid.
Paranoia is exhausting.

lisa

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At 08:18 PM 1/15/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>At 11:04 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>We're supposed to be going down to 21. And my cat is staying outside.
>>>Karen
>>
>>We are already down to 0 and all of our three cats are happily inside.
>
>It's 55 here.  Supposed to get up to 69 tomorrow.  I had to take my Bonnie
>sox off.
>
>Betty

Send 'em this way.. it's been in the low teens every morning. The temp tops
off at 25 during the day. My office feels like it's about 45. I'm tired of
being cold!

Tina is even worse, she hates, hates, hates the cold. Her breaking point
was the first time the temps dropped below 40. I've been living with cold,
whiny, girlfriend for two months now. I still love her but I wish it were
warmer!

lisa

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At 05:49 AM 1/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>>Doris Markland wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I understand this.  Nevertheless, the system is not working.
>>>One by one the farmers are going broke.
>>
>>Have I mentioned before that you should always check to see where your
>>catfish are from when buying/ordering catfish?  If they're from Vietnam,
>>just say no.  That's been a big news item around here the past year or
>>so since the catfish farmers have been suffering because of cheap
>>Vietnamese catfish.
>
>
>        Catfish tastes icky.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Not so.

Tina and I just had some last week. We bought it fresh at BJs. They don't
tell you where they get it. Something tells me, if asked, those working in
the warehouse wouldn't know.

lisa

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>        Here to.  I don't know that it is wise to keep getting rid of
>crop land with the world population growing as it is.  It
>seems to me as the quantity of food produced goes up, the
>quality goes down.  Food is too cheap and housing is too
>expensive.
>--
>Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>http://www.etext.org/~rita

Amen Sister.  Too bad that's what driving the McMansion farms from
springing up.

lisa

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Amy Burns Short wrote:
>
> "Snowing to beat 60."
>
> What's the possible origin of this saying?
>
Paul's guess is probably correct. Because I am confused, I had not read
Amy's question and thought that Paul was asking about snowfall in
SYracuse, and I answered his non-question. That was dumb. Pretend you
don't know me.

alyce
--
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One big convenience of the microwave is that when you're feeling
really crappy and you want some soup, you just put the soup in the
bowl and stick it in the microwave for two minutes, instead of having
to dirty a pan.

Karen
patiently waiting for Tomato Roasted Red Pepper Soup

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 08:17:13AM -0500, bonniev wrote:
= >We have dangerous weather in Oslo now. For some days we have had a thaw in
= >the day and some refreezing at night. It is almost impossible to see where
= >there is a thin layer of ice or mixed ice/salt/oil.      --Espen
=
= We call that black ice here.   It is indeed dangerous.   Here in Bar
= Harbor, we haven't had a thaw in quite some time.  Right now it is -20C, -4F.
=
=
=     --bonniev

it's colder in Russia:

http://www.orange-today.co.uk/news/story/sm_738078.html

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 07:04:32AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > Be nice to your kitty!
=
= I am. It found the most sheltered spot in my yard during the rain
= (behind a bush under the eaves)--this gives it a straight shot under
= the eaves to the food bowl. I had put out some rags for it to sleep
= on, but they got wet, so I put them in my dryer and put them out again
= in a corner of the patio that doesn't get wet (and coincidentally is
= even closer to the food bowl). It's going down to 21 for six hours--I
= don't think my cat's going to get frostbite.
=

You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
what might happen.

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steph said:
> You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> what might happen.

I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
in any case.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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> steph said:
> > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > what might happen.
>
> I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> in any case.
>
> Karen
> Poking and prying with purpose

Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and provide a pile of
old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?

:-)

BrP

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Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > steph said:
> > > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > > what might happen.
> >
> > I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> > in any case.
> >
> > Karen
> > Poking and prying with purpose
>
> Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and provide a pile of
> old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?
>
> :-)

Yes, I do. And I need to be petted.

Karen

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At 11:30 AM 1/16/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > steph said:
> > > > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > > > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > > > what might happen.
> > >
> > > I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> > > in any case.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > Poking and prying with purpose
> >
> > Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and
> provide a pile of
> > old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?
> >
> > :-)
>
>Yes, I do. And I need to be petted.
>
>Karen

LA!  LA! LA! NOT LISTENING!!!!

l  l  l lisa

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Like alyce, I sometimes am not sure WHY I'm amused only THAT I am.


This amuses me. From the MELCOMBE REGIS - SOUTHERN TIMES 1868


MATRIMONY UNDER DIFFICULTIES.- At St. Mary's Church, on Sunday morning,
an unsuccessful attempt to unite a couple in the bonds of marriage was made by the
Rev. A. Davidson.  The bridegroom had been fortifying himself for the ordeal with
powerful stimulants, and had rather exceeded the bounds of prudence.  He got on
very well with the service as far as the momentous "I will," but there his
comprehension seems to have failed.  He was desired to repeat after the clergyman,
who recited, "I William, &c., take thee, &c."  "All right Sir,"  said the aspiring
Benedict.  "Repeat after me," was reiterated.  "Right Sir, that's me," this went on for
some time, when the clerk handed him the book.  He managed then to spell "of", but
gave it up as a bad job, observing that, "he was no scholar."  The minister was at
last obliged to desist, saying, he could not go on with such a mockery any longer.
The bridegroom cheerfully assented with "You're right, sir, it's a regular mucker."
The part!
ies then left the church, but a more successful attempt was made on Monday.

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
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> Like alyce, I sometimes am not sure WHY I'm amused only THAT I am.
>
> This amuses me.

And me.

alyce


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http://www.inthegalleriesaustin.com/

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In a message dated 1/15/2003 3:04:12 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I'm SO glad it's not cancer, though.
 >>

Goes without saying! Hang in there, Ally.
Theo

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At 09:13 AM 1/16/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 05:09:51PM -0500, bonniev wrote:
>= > > Since you are referring to her as 'my kitty'  have you settled on a
>name?
>= >
>= >Who else's kitty would she be? No, no names.
>= >Karen         Poking and prying with purpose
>=
>= Because she won't name it, let's us name it.   I vote for "Fluids".   Here
>= Fluids.   Dinner time Fluids.   That's a good little Fluids.   It will
>= remind Karen to drink her fluids.
>=
>=
>=     --bonniev
>
>Let's call it Lingerie.  Then it will make the world surreal and
>confusing.  I mean, she feeds both of them, right?


LOL. I love you, steph.

Betty

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In a message dated 1/16/2003 4:58:21 AM, Espen.Ore@NB.NO writes:

<< >There are lots of people who don't like venison.  It has a 'taste' to it.
>Of all the meats I've eaten I'd say lamb has the strongest taste.  I'm not
 >>

The only "game" I've ever eaten was rabbit, and I liked it. I also like lamb.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/16/2003 8:16:13 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< It's going down to 21 for six hours--I
don't think my cat's going to get frostbite.
 >>

I would never keep any of my animals outside.I think it's cruel. BTW Alyce,
is your neighbor (friend) still keeping Spike for you? Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
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> The only "game" I've ever eaten was rabbit, and I liked it. I also like lamb.

I like lamb, but it hardly is game. At least here we do not have packs
of wild sheep marauding o'er the prairies and through the woods. Perhaps
in Colorado and Idaho, though?

alyce

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In a message dated 1/16/2003 1:59:46 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< I like lamb, but it hardly is game. At least here we do not have packs
of wild sheep marauding o'er the prairies and through the woods. Perhaps
in Colorado and Idaho, though?
 >>

Not to my knowledge. Got it from the butcher, neatly cut and wrapped! :-}
Theo

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> I would never keep any of my animals outside.I think it's cruel. BTW Alyce,
> is your neighbor (friend) still keeping Spike for you?

My neighbor never has kept Spike for me. Spike went back to the Senior
Dog Adoption Service lady on Saturday, and a good thing, too, for I
could not care for him then nor now.

alyce

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>
>It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
>(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).
>
>Okay, here's a list from
>http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:
>

I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a cite.



alec

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Pseudomonas "A difficult one."  Look it up on Google. That is all I
know. At least it is not Aspergillis.
Dr. office will be closed on Monday. I am to call on Tuesday to report
and maybe will get more meds, or not. She may wait till Thursday when I
finish round of prednisone begun today and may require yet another chest
X-ray. Talked to nurse for 1/2 hour. She says go back to ER if anything
wrong on weekend.

alyce

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Theodora Groothof said:
> I would never keep any of my animals outside.I think it's cruel.

It's an outdoor cat.

Karen
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Alec D. Plotkin said:
> >
> >It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
> >(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).
> >
> >Okay, here's a list from
> >http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:
> >
>
> I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a cite.

Do a search on steroid-induced diabetes. Here's one to get you
started: http://www.pemphigus.org/am_diabetes.html.

Karen
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In a message dated 1/16/2003 4:07:23 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:


>
> Theodora Groothof said:
> > I would never keep any of my animals outside.I think it's cruel.
>
> It's an outdoor cat.
>
> Karen
>
>

In Texas, yet.  Sure won't freeze to death.

             - D. M.

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>= We call that black ice here.   It is indeed dangerous.   Here in Bar
>= Harbor, we haven't had a thaw in quite some time.  Right now it is -20C,
>-4F.
>=     --bonniev
>
>it's colder in Russia:
>http://www.orange-today.co.uk/news/story/sm_738078.html

Great story.  That's worse than getting one's tongue frozen to the pump handle.

Non-sequitur:   I always pictured the isles off Scotland as directly across
the Atlantic Ocean from Bar Harbor, Maine.  Not true.  The Bordeaux region
of France is.


    --bonniev

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HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so glad it's just an infection and not cancer!

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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At 04:58 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, alyce wrote:
>Pseudomonas "A difficult one."  Look it up on Google. That is all I
>know. At least it is not Aspergillis.

Amen to that.  I gave away my Zinnser "Microbiology" years ago, but a
bacterium however aggressive is less a threat than a fungus.

cwv

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At 11:02 AM 1/16/2003 -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
>At 08:18 PM 1/15/2003 -0800, Betty wrote:
>>At 11:04 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, bonniev wrote:
>>>>We're supposed to be going down to 21. And my cat is staying outside.
>>>>Karen
>>>
>>>We are already down to 0 and all of our three cats are happily inside.
>>
>>It's 55 here.  Supposed to get up to 69 tomorrow.  I had to take my Bonnie
>>sox off.
>>
>>Betty
>
>Send 'em this way.. it's been in the low teens every morning. The temp tops
>off at 25 during the day. My office feels like it's about 45. I'm tired of
>being cold!
>
>Tina is even worse, she hates, hates, hates the cold. Her breaking point
>was the first time the temps dropped below 40. I've been living with cold,
>whiny, girlfriend for two months now. I still love her but I wish it were
>warmer!

I could send you the ones with the holes in them.

Betty

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At 12:22 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >
> > "Snowing to beat 60."
> >
> > What's the possible origin of this saying?
> >
>Paul's guess is probably correct. Because I am confused, I had not read
>Amy's question and thought that Paul was asking about snowfall in
>SYracuse, and I answered his non-question. That was dumb. Pretend you
>don't know me.
>
>alyce

I was blaming it on the drugs.  The prednisone should be helping you very soon.

Betty

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At 10:06 AM 1/16/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>One big convenience of the microwave is that when you're feeling
>really crappy and you want some soup, you just put the soup in the
>bowl and stick it in the microwave for two minutes, instead of having
>to dirty a pan.

Amazing!

Betty

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At 02:16 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > steph said:
> > > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > > what might happen.
> >
> > I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> > in any case.
> >
> > Karen
> > Poking and prying with purpose
>
>Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and provide
>a pile of
>old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?
>
>:-)
>
>BrP

I was wondering if she was wet.

B

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At 04:14 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> >It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
> >(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).
> >
> >Okay, here's a list from
> >http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:
> >
>
>I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a cite.

No matter.  She needs it right now.

Betty

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> At 07:36 PM 1/15/2003 -0600, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>> Karen Kay wrote:
>>
>>> Rita Chapman said:
>>>
>>>>        I'm reading _Their Eyes Were Watching God_ right now.  It's
>>>> quite beautiful, though I'm not sure the kids will really
>>>> get it.  I think I'll sandwich it between TTC & Julius Caesar.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like it might be blessed relief to them.
>>
>>
>>
>>        I hope.  I'm leaving _Night_ until last under the secret hope
>> that I won't get to it.  I'm not sure I can stand to read it
>> ... maybe in the spring I will be able to take it.
>> --
>> Rita Rouvalis Chapman
>> rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
>> http://www.etext.org/~rita
>
>
> Elie Wiesel's book? I read it in high school. It took until my junior year
> in college to appreciate it.


        Yeah.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
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Betty said:
> At 04:14 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > >
> > >It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
> > >(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).
> > >
> > >Okay, here's a list from
> > >http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:
> > >
> >
> >I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a cite.
>
> No matter.  She needs it right now.

Oh, yes. I never meant to imply that she didn't. And I'm on it again,
too.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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> Amy Burns Short wrote:
> >
> > "Snowing to beat 60."
> >
> > What's the possible origin of this saying?

    Probably a back-formation from "going like 60".

JMW, where its shining like 70

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Betty said:
> At 02:16 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, Paul R. Barfoot wrote:
> > > steph said:
> > > > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > > > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > > > what might happen.
> > >
> > > I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> > > in any case.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > Poking and prying with purpose
> >
> >Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and provide
> >a pile of
> >old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?
> >
> >:-)
> >
> >BrP
>
> I was wondering if she was wet.

TMI!

Karen
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At 03:22 PM 1/16/2003 -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>Betty said:
> > At 04:14 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> > > >
> > > >It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
> > > >(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).
> > > >
> > > >Okay, here's a list from
> > > >http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:
> > > >
> > >
> > >I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a
> cite.
> >
> > No matter.  She needs it right now.
>
>Oh, yes. I never meant to imply that she didn't. And I'm on it again,
>too.

:-(  Sorry.

Betty

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At 04:25 PM 1/16/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
> > Amy Burns Short wrote:
> > >
> > > "Snowing to beat 60."
> > >
> > > What's the possible origin of this saying?
>
>     Probably a back-formation from "going like 60".
>
>JMW, where its shining like 70

Only 65 here.  Welcome back, JMW.  Where have you been and how is your cat?

Betty

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02003-01-16 | Espen Ore <Espen.Ore@NB.NO> writes:
> We have dangerous weather in Oslo now. For some days we have had a thaw in
> the day and some refreezing at night. It is almost impossible to see where
> there is a thin layer of ice or mixed ice/salt/oil. But OTOH it is cod
> season. Today I will boil (or rather leave them in almost boiling water
> for a few minutes) cod steaks - and as a side dish there is fresh cod
> liver (boiled). There is also fresh cod roe available but that is almost
> as expencive as the cod flesh so I son't buy it every time I buy cod. Cod
> heads are not so expensive BTW and I will look for cod tongues (which
> aren't really tongues) on Saturday. A kilogram of fresh cod cost around $
> 20 in Oslo (much cheaper in the North) while a kilogram of fresh salmon
> goes for about $ 7.50. But cod os GOOD.

What is your opinion of cod? Would you classify it as good?

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bonniev wrote:

> Getting a car rolling and then popping the clutch to get it started is
> another good skill to have.  I was once so good at that, I could do it with

This is one of many good reasons to have a small car.  Random
by-standers can push it off if the battery is dead.  The clutch popping
part is easy if somebody gives you a shove.

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)
>
> But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.

In my personal speech, a waiter waits on customers, while a customer
waits for a table, and sometimes the customer might have to wait in line
outside if there's a big crowd.  But I've certainly herad "wait on" for
"wait for" often enough not to find it all that strange.  Iow, I would
barely notice it, whereas my ears would pop with fascination if I heard
somebody say "wait on line" -- something I'm familiar with from
dialectology but not from <real life>.

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Betty wrote:

>   Welcome back, JMW.  Where have you been and how is your cat?

    I've been keeping up.  Boo is, I'm afraid, an ex-cat.

JMW

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At 05:10 PM 1/16/2003 -0700, John Williams wrote:
>Betty wrote:
>
> >   Welcome back, JMW.  Where have you been and how is your cat?
>
>     I've been keeping up.  Boo is, I'm afraid, an ex-cat.

You killed it??

Betty

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:44:09 -0500
From: Loren Crabtree <lcrabtr1@utk.edu>
To: "All UT Faculty, Staff & Students in Knoxville" <@unspecified-domain>
Subject: Evening Classes Cancelled

The University of Tennessee's evening classes for Thursday, January 16,
2003, have been cancelled due to inclement weather. A decision on the
operating schedule for Friday, January 17, 2003, will be made by 6 a.m.
Friday morning.
---
"inclement weather"? SNOW! Not just a forecast. We'll have the forecast
3-5 inches by morning, perhaps another inch tomorrow.

Of course Knoxvillians go crazy when snow is even forecast - they go to
Kroger's and buy all the bread and milk they can carry, etc. But what got
me today was that it took me 2 1/2 hours to drive from my office to the
Old CIty. Leaving the campus today at 4:30 was much worse than leaving
campus after a football game. I can't figure out why. Why would there be
any more traffic when it's snowing than when it's not???

Bethany, very glad to finally be home

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:59:41 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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        You won't get that much.  They said all this snow was coming
yadda yadda yadda... we got a dusting.  Ana's school decided
to cancel this morning.  It wasn't on the news, and not a
flake of snow had fallen, so *naively* I went to drop her
off this morning at 6:30am and was told no childcare/no
school.  I am blinking incredulously.  But..But... there's
no snow... none... not even any falling from the sky!  Oh,
but snow was *forecast*.  Yeah.  OK, so I took Ana to school
with me, and luckily Kevin was able to work from home today
so he left work and met me at the high school to pick her
up.  They say we got 1/2 inch, but they must have searched
far and wide for the biggest drift at Lambert Field to even
measure that much.

        I am *pissed off*.  But at least I had my stress management
meeting today, which told me all about, um, how stress is
very very bad.  It was quite useless.  I did get a little
"stress dot," which as far as I could tell is the same kind
of deal as a mood ring.  Mine turned black immediately.

        It is supposed to be down into the single digits tonight.  If
that school closes for cold weather (which it has a history
of doing), I will kill those fucking Lutheran pansy-ass
pussies.  Not a single child at that place walks any further
than from mom's car to the door.  It is winter.  That's why
man invented the *furnace*.


Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:44:09 -0500
> From: Loren Crabtree <lcrabtr1@utk.edu>
> To: "All UT Faculty, Staff & Students in Knoxville" <@unspecified-domain>
> Subject: Evening Classes Cancelled
>
> The University of Tennessee's evening classes for Thursday, January 16,
> 2003, have been cancelled due to inclement weather. A decision on the
> operating schedule for Friday, January 17, 2003, will be made by 6 a.m.
> Friday morning.
> ---
> "inclement weather"? SNOW! Not just a forecast. We'll have the forecast
> 3-5 inches by morning, perhaps another inch tomorrow.
>
> Of course Knoxvillians go crazy when snow is even forecast - they go to
> Kroger's and buy all the bread and milk they can carry, etc. But what got
> me today was that it took me 2 1/2 hours to drive from my office to the
> Old CIty. Leaving the campus today at 4:30 was much worse than leaving
> campus after a football game. I can't figure out why. Why would there be
> any more traffic when it's snowing than when it's not???
>
> Bethany, very glad to finally be home
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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alyce cresap wrote:

> Because they are old and wearing out, I think. It may be the pneumonia

Not that I think you or your lungs are old and wearing out, Alyce -- you
are a spring chicken compared to my mother, but this did make me think
of something I would have found laughable if I'd been feeling like
laughing at the time.  I think I might have mentioned earlier that I had
to hang around the emergency room for about three hours after my mother
died, waiting for the coroner (whose fault it wasn't -- there had been a
communication failure -- he hadn't gotten the message).  At some point
after the first couple of hours I asked a nurse about the lengthy wait
(since the earlier nurse had said that he would arrive soon -- that it
would take a little while since he had to come from Sturgis but that it
would be within thirty minutes).  I asked this new nurse whether I
really had to be there to greet him (it turns out that I don't think he
needed to be called at all, but that's another story), and she said yes,
that there were questions about things like donating organs.  I found
that really, really strange.  I'm an organ donor, as registered on my
driver's license with the signatures of witnesses of my signing, but
even I, at age 59, have thought how it's probably pretty silly -- like
who would want any of my aged organs.  The idea that my mother, who
would've been 89 this month, had organs anybody wanted struck me as
totally preposterous.  I said to the nurse that any organ my mother had
was for sure available to anybody who wanted it but that I doubted very
much anybody would want her organs.  As it turned out, the very nice
coroner said not a word about donating organs.

I'm not sure that this nurse was totally of our world anyway.  She said
in that same conversation that she really didn't know why the coroner
hadn't arrived yet -- that when she had come on duty at 1900 (these
times aren't necessarily what she said -- just the general gist) the
outgoing nurse had said that the coroner had been called at 1830 and
that then the other nurse left at 1905 etc. etc.  It happens that I like
the 24-hr clock, have had a good bit of experience with it with train
schedules in Europe and Asia, keep any electronic devices that allow it
set on the 24-hr clock, and am in general quite comfortable with it.
But this nurse knew none of that about me.  And, excluding people with
military experience, my guess is that my comfortable feeling re the
24-hr clock is not the norm in a small Mississippi town.  Iow, I found
her a bit weird.

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>        You won't get that much.  They said all this snow was coming
>yadda yadda yadda... we got a dusting.  Ana's school decided

We will get our 3-5, maybe 6 inches. Snow started at 11 this morning, and
it was quite heavy all afternoon. By the time I got downtown after 7 p.m.,
the temp was down to 32, and the streets were getting quite slick.

Bethany

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"Paul R. Barfoot" wrote:
>
> Was there a huge storm in '60?  1860? 1960?  The local storm for comparison
> purposes is the 1966 storm that dumped up to 120 inches  in 3 days.

I remember a fun Valentine's Day snow in 1960.  But I don't think that's
a likely reference.  It wasn't huge.  The hugist storm I remember was
that wonderful one in early '51.  Nancy Harwood remembered it.  We
talked about it one time here.  In Jackson the ice storm came on Jan.
30, 1951, and then lots of snow on top of it on Jan. 31.  Those dates
are easy for me to remember because my mother's birthday was Jan. 30 and
Super's birthday Jan. 31.  Super was a wonderful beagle -- one of the
ones my mother nursed with a formula and an eye-dropper after the vet
said they should be euthanized since their mother was killed when the
six puppies were a day old.  My mother just said no.  She pulled them
all through.  And every one of them lived to adulthood -- in cases like
Super until senior years.  Anyway, the storm of '51 was wonderful,
especially for children since there was no electricity for a couple of
weeks, meaning schools were closed and we played all day, sliding down
hills on bent trays, falling into streams (in my case) because of
obnoxious older brothers telling us we should ice skate on the creeks in
our galoshes, etc. etc.

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> alyce cresap said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)
> >
> > But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> > Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.
>
> Exactly.

Exactly what?

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>even I, at age 59, have thought how it's probably pretty silly -- like
>who would want any of my aged organs.  The idea that my mother, who
>would've been 89 this month, had organs anybody wanted struck me as
>totally preposterous.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Wow.  You could live another thirty years.   That's a long time.  Think of
all the travel you could do.  All the dogs you could own.


    --bonniev

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  >said they should be euthanized since their mother was killed when the
>six puppies were a day old.  My mother just said no.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

How was the mother killed??


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > steph said:
> > > > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > > > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > > > what might happen.
> > >
> > > I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> > > in any case.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > Poking and prying with purpose
> >
> > Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and provide a pile of
> > old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?
> >
> > :-)
>
> Yes, I do. And I need to be petted.

I think I must be misreading or misthinking.  I find this whole exchange
(except for Steph's at the >>>> level above) not amusing at all.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> It's an outdoor cat.

Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?

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Betty wrote:
> >Paul's guess is probably correct. Because I am confused, I had not read
> >Amy's question and thought that Paul was asking about snowfall in
> >SYracuse, and I answered his non-question. That was dumb. Pretend you
> >don't know me.
> >
> >alyce
>
> I was blaming it on the drugs.  The prednisone should be helping you very soon.

I'm confused.  I also thought we were talking about major snowfalls --
though not necessarily in Syracuse.  We aren't?  And I can't claim drugs
as an excuse.

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Betty wrote:

> >I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a cite.
>
> No matter.  She needs it right now.

What she said.  I found the posting of that long list of possible
side-effects -- well, I won't say what I found it.

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>         You won't get that much.  They said all this snow was coming
> yadda yadda yadda... we got a dusting.  Ana's school decided

Our forecast for <inclement weather> has now been downgraded.  Nothing
but a tiny bit of sleet and a few flurries are expected.  Even before
wunderground knew, one of my Telecomm smoking buddies told me this
morning that she'd been talking to one of our meteorology professors who
said that there would be nothing interesting this weekend but that there
might be next weekend.

>         I am *pissed off*.  But at least I had my stress management
> meeting today, which told me all about, um, how stress is
> very very bad.  It was quite useless.  I did get a little
> "stress dot," which as far as I could tell is the same kind
> of deal as a mood ring.  Mine turned black immediately.

What does one do with a stress dot?  Do you rub it or tape it to your
body or what?

>         It is supposed to be down into the single digits tonight.  If
> that school closes for cold weather (which it has a history
> of doing), I will kill those fucking Lutheran pansy-ass
> pussies.  Not a single child at that place walks any further
> than from mom's car to the door.  It is winter.  That's why
> man invented the *furnace*.

Closing for cold weather?  Now that is something I'm not familiar with.
Closing for ice and snow, yes.  But cold?  (And yes -- even here we get
into the single digits -- not every winter, but many winters -- it's
going to be pretty close to that, if not there, tomorrow night.)

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >even I, at age 59, have thought how it's probably pretty silly -- like
> >who would want any of my aged organs.  The idea that my mother, who
> >would've been 89 this month, had organs anybody wanted struck me as
> >totally preposterous.  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Wow.  You could live another thirty years.   That's a long time.

??  So could anybody live another thirty years.  Well, maybe if you're
100, the odds are unlikely.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> In my personal speech, a waiter waits on customers, while a customer
> waits for a table, and sometimes the customer might have to wait in line
> outside if there's a big crowd.  But I've certainly herad "wait on" for
> "wait for" often enough not to find it all that strange.  Iow, I would
> barely notice it, whereas my ears would pop with fascination if I heard
> somebody say "wait on line" -- something I'm familiar with from
> dialectology but not from <real life>.

It was partly reading it rather than hearing it--it's not Standard
English. (Whatever that is.)

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> >  And I can't claim drugs
> > as an excuse.
>
> Maybe you should take some?

Which ones do you recommend?  I must admit ignorance of drug names.
(Does vitamin C count as a drug?  It zapped my cold a couple of days
ago.  I was snotty and sneezy and chilly for about a day, but then it
was all ok.)

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Betty wrote:
>
> No matter.  She needs it right now.

 and Karen wrote:

>It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system

I cannot believe that I will get diabetes with eight days of small
dosage. But then, it would be no fun to be sick around here if we didn't
have Karen telling me of the bad side effects and dread diseases that I
will contract soon from absolutely anything that is prescribed. I hope
someone does it to her sometime.

Slightly vexed, really

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Not that I think you or your lungs are old and wearing out, Alyce -- you
> are a spring chicken compared to my mother,

I guess that some parts can be used any time, like skin, for instance. I
(knock on wood) have a very nice heart, and maybe it would be worth
something to someone. I am an organ donor, and they can take 'em or
leave 'em.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > It's an outdoor cat.
>
> Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?

I don't know, where?

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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bonniev wrote:

> Wow.  You could live another thirty years.   That's a long time.

PS:  And no, that's not really a long time.  Thirty years ago does not
seem long ago at all to me.

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bonniev wrote:
>
>   >said they should be euthanized since their mother was killed when the
> >six puppies were a day old.  My mother just said no.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> How was the mother killed??

By the cruel wheel of a car on the street in front of our house.  This
was back in the days when fences weren't the norm.  It was not long
after Peggy's death that we put up a fence and no longer let dogs be so
vulnerable.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)
> > > >
> > > > But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> > > > Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.
> > >
> > > Exactly.
> >
> > Exactly what?
>
> It's common in New York. It's odd for a computer program.

I'd never associated it with NY in particular.  That's interesting.  And
I don't really know much about the dialects of computer programs.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > alyce cresap said:
> > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)
> > >
> > > But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> > > Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.
> >
> > Exactly.
>
> Exactly what?

It's common in New York. It's odd for a computer program.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> > Paul R. Barfoot said:
> > > > steph said:
> > > > > You are being nice.  But it doesn't take much to get frostbite
> > > > > sometimes.  I don't know about whether if the cat is a little wet
> > > > > what might happen.
> > > >
> > > > I'm far more worried about me than the cat. The cat isn't wet,
> > > > in any case.
> > > >
> > > > Karen
> > > > Poking and prying with purpose
> > >
> > > Do you need someone to fill your food bowl, speak a kind word, and provide a pile of
> > > old t-shirts fresh from the dryer for you to sleep on?
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> > Yes, I do. And I need to be petted.
>
> I think I must be misreading or misthinking.  I find this whole exchange
> (except for Steph's at the >>>> level above) not amusing at all.

I didn't find Steph's comment amusing; I thought it was a serious
warning. Which I take seriously.

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > It's an outdoor cat.
> >
> > Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?
>
> I don't know, where?

??  I was asking you.  I have no idea.  I know zero about outdoor cats.
If I knew, why would I have asked the question?

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Betty wrote:
>
> > >I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would love to see a cite.
> >
> > No matter.  She needs it right now.
>
> What she said.  I found the posting of that long list of possible
> side-effects -- well, I won't say what I found it.

She asked.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> needed to be called at all, but that's another story), and she said yes,
> that there were questions about things like donating organs.  I found
> that really, really strange.  I'm an organ donor, as registered on my
> driver's license with the signatures of witnesses of my signing, but
> even I, at age 59, have thought how it's probably pretty silly -- like
> who would want any of my aged organs.

Corneas, maybe.

Karen

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John Williams wrote:
>
> JMW, where its shining like 70

Yay! I am glad you are here. Did you receive my message that I have a
Sponge Bob doll?

alyce

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"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> >        You won't get that much.  They said all this snow was coming
> >yadda yadda yadda... we got a dusting.  Ana's school decided
>
> We will get our 3-5, maybe 6 inches. Snow started at 11 this morning, and
> it was quite heavy all afternoon. By the time I got downtown after 7 p.m.,
> the temp was down to 32, and the streets were getting quite slick.
\
We got 3-5.  Schools were canceled, but not the college classes.  The
forecast high was 20 and it was still snowing at 8 a.m.  I stayed home
as did half the faculty and many students.

 Keisha had a busy day on guard because all the neighborhood kids home
from school went sledding down the hill behind us.

My new schedule this semester gives me Fridays off.  I won't worry about tomorrow.

This was our FIRST measurable snow for this snow season.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> whereas my ears would pop with fascination if I heard
> somebody say "wait on line" -- something I'm familiar with from
> dialectology but not from <real life>.

The next time we meet, I will say it for you.

alyce
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)


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John Williams wrote:
>  I've been keeping up.  Boo is, I'm afraid, an ex-cat.
>
I mourn.

alyce

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:14:33 -0600
From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Natalie Maynor wrote:


>>        I am *pissed off*.  But at least I had my stress management
>>meeting today, which told me all about, um, how stress is
>>very very bad.  It was quite useless.  I did get a little
>>"stress dot," which as far as I could tell is the same kind
>>of deal as a mood ring.  Mine turned black immediately.
>>
>
> What does one do with a stress dot?  Do you rub it or tape it to your
> body or what?


        It's a like a puffy sticker.  You stick it to the back of
your hand and it turns colors.


>
>>        It is supposed to be down into the single digits tonight.  If
>>that school closes for cold weather (which it has a history
>>of doing), I will kill those fucking Lutheran pansy-ass
>>pussies.  Not a single child at that place walks any further
>>than from mom's car to the door.  It is winter.  That's why
>>man invented the *furnace*.
>>
>
> Closing for cold weather?  Now that is something I'm not familiar with.
> Closing for ice and snow, yes.  But cold?  (And yes -- even here we get
> into the single digits -- not every winter, but many winters -- it's
> going to be pretty close to that, if not there, tomorrow night.)


        I'd never heard of such a thing, either.




--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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We've had 3 inches so far, and it's still snowing. Temps are dropping -
they will be in the low teens tonight, and they will be in the single
digits Saturday morning.

UT will announce about classes tomorrow at 6 a.m. - I may opt out,
regardless, since I have morning classes. The roads will be very slick
early in the day tomorrow. I may not even be able to get out of the
parking lot. And since Monday is a holiday, many students will opt
out.

OTOH, if Jackson Ave. gets salt or a plow, it'll be okay.

Bethany

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At 07:54 PM 1/16/2003 -0600, Sylvia Edwards wrote:
>"Bethany K. Dumas" wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:
> >
> > >        You won't get that much.  They said all this snow was coming
> > >yadda yadda yadda... we got a dusting.  Ana's school decided
> >
> > We will get our 3-5, maybe 6 inches. Snow started at 11 this morning, and
> > it was quite heavy all afternoon. By the time I got downtown after 7 p.m.,
> > the temp was down to 32, and the streets were getting quite slick.
>\
>We got 3-5.  Schools were canceled, but not the college classes.  The
>forecast high was 20 and it was still snowing at 8 a.m.  I stayed home
>as did half the faculty and many students.
>
>  Keisha had a busy day on guard because all the neighborhood kids home
>from school went sledding down the hill behind us.
>
>My new schedule this semester gives me Fridays off.  I won't worry about
>tomorrow.

I need a schedule like that!  Good for you.

Betty

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > who would want any of my aged organs.
>
> Corneas, maybe.

Are corneas ageless?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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>  And I can't claim drugs
> as an excuse.

Maybe you should take some?

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>bonniev wrote:
> > Wow.  You could live another thirty years.   That's a long time.
>
>PS:  And no, that's not really a long time.  Thirty years ago does not
>seem long ago at all to me.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Thirty years ago seems about two life times ago to me.  I was a completely
different person.   And soooo many things have happened in those 30
years.  I can't really grasp the idea of living another 30 although I know
I have a good chance to do so because my mother lived to be 93.


    --bonniev

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?
>
Up under cars. They find warm places somehow unless it is truly brutal.
Speaking of which, we are having a huge cold spell and it is getting
worse. It is below zero every night, and does not rise above 20F  in the
day. Next Tuesday another blast comes from the arctic, which will mean
about 10F max during the day. No end in sight at least in the next seven
days.

We now have seven-day forecasts instead of five-day due to improvements
in Doppler radar and other meteorological devices.

alyce

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > What she said.  I found the posting of that long list of possible
> > side-effects -- well, I won't say what I found it.
>
> She asked.

I never would have asked if I had not been told first that they existed.
I assure you.

alyce

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > It's an outdoor cat.
> > >
> > > Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?
> >
> > I don't know, where?
>
> ??  I was asking you.  I have no idea.  I know zero about outdoor cats.
> If I knew, why would I have asked the question?

I don't know. I only know about this cat, and it's out on my patio.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > who would want any of my aged organs.
> >
> > Corneas, maybe.
>
> Are corneas ageless?

Not exactly, but I imagine they look at them before they take them.

In Texas, they can take corneas without asking the family.

Karen
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alyce cresap wrote:
> > whereas my ears would pop with fascination if I heard
> > somebody say "wait on line" -- something I'm familiar with from
> > dialectology but not from <real life>.
>
> The next time we meet, I will say it for you.

That will be fun.  But it's got to be natural.  You can't just say, "Let
me say 'wait on line' for you -- wait on line."  To me, "wait on line"
would mean logging onto a computer and waiting for something while
online.

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Rita Chapman said:
[about closing for cold]
>         I'd never heard of such a thing, either.

One winter when I was in Kirksville, it was -11, and most things
closed.

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> I cannot believe that I will get diabetes with eight days of small
> dosage.

I don't believe it, either.

> But then, it would be no fun to be sick around here if we didn't
> have Karen telling me of the bad side effects and dread diseases that I
> will contract soon from absolutely anything that is prescribed. I hope
> someone does it to her sometime.

Sorry, I always look up the things I take. But I'm unlikely to take
any new drugs any time soon, since I can't afford them.

> Slightly vexed, really

I'm very sorry, Alyce. Really.

Karen

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> That will be fun.  But it's got to be natural.  You can't just say, "Let
> me say 'wait on line' for you -- wait on line."

I understand. I would never do it in a fake way. Perhaps on the way to a
restaurant, I might say, "I hope we don't have to wait on line for a
table." Or something like that.

alyce

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02003-01-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Natalie Maynor said:
> > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > alyce cresap said:
> > > > Karen Kay wrote:
> > > > > Because it's not standard English. (Whatever that is.)
> > > >
> > > > But it's common in New York at least. You wait on line and you wait on
> > > > Ms. Jones to come to the phone, etc.
> > >
> > > Exactly.
> >
> > Exactly what?
>
> It's common in New York. It's odd for a computer program.

I apologize to all, since this exchange can only remain this
fascinating if let evolve at its own pace. But--it's not odd
for a programmer to make this "usage mistake". It is perfectly
natural for a programmer to say "blocked ON" (a read, for
instance), and a wait is not that far in "semantic space"
from a block. Somewhat further afield, if you take the
example of the actual wait() call, using "the program is
waiting on" as a short form for "a wait in the program is
blocked on" sounds quite natural to me.

Unnecessary "LOL"s diminish all of us.

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Tonight I tried to call Ken for a long time and kept getting a message
that all of my long distance carrier's (ATT) circuits were busy and to
try again. I finally got through after about 30 tries. And now I have
received an e-mail from my friend Jack in Florida and he is having the
same problem. He has been trying to call me since 8 o'clock. Is there a
national emergency? I cannot believe that ATT has no available circuits
in Florida and New York.

alyce
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Rita Chapman wrote:

> > What does one do with a stress dot?  Do you rub it or tape it to your
> > body or what?
>
>         It's a like a puffy sticker.  You stick it to the back of
> your hand and it turns colors.

Like whatever that diet fad was a good many years ago that had you tt on
a strip that was supposed to turn purple or maybe it was not turn purple
-- something to indicate whether you were following the diet?

> > Closing for cold weather?  Now that is something I'm not familiar with.
> > Closing for ice and snow, yes.  But cold?  (And yes -- even here we get
> > into the single digits -- not every winter, but many winters -- it's
> > going to be pretty close to that, if not there, tomorrow night.)
>
>         I'd never heard of such a thing, either.

One thing that strikes me as funny about it is that I've sometimes joked
in casual conversations saying that classes should be canceled because
it's too cold to go to class.  I'm trying to think of why it would ever
be too cold to have classes.  Maybe if it's -80 and going outside at all
to go anywhere would be fatal?  I do understand the reason for closing
things in ice storms.  Unless everybody is in walking distance, that is
appropriate.  (And the walking distance in some cases needs to be flat
walking distance.  I think I might have told before of the time I was
trying to walk to the post office on ice and found it totally impossible
to get up the very slight hill.  There was no way.  I kept sliding back
and back and finally had to give up.)

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap said:
> Natalie Maynor wrote:
> > Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?
> >
> Up under cars.

That's where they go when it's hot, too. When this cat lived next
door, I always had to check under my car. I think it's happier where
it is now, in a protected corner of my covered patio, on a plastic pad
with 4 old t-shirts piled on top.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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>One winter when I was in Kirksville, it was -11, and most things
>closed.          --Karen

Three years ago in February it got down to 30 below in far northern
Wisconsin.   A friend and I were tramping around outside hoping to see the
aurora and warming up from time to time with a drink in the bars of
Florence, Wisconsin.

This afternoon it was 18 degrees with a wind chill of 5 while Clyde and I
took a hike in Acadia.  It was gorgeous.  I've never seen such deep snow on
the mountains here.  It's even snow rather than ice on the rocks right near
the shore.  The ocean was so calm that the bell buoys weren't even
sounding.  And the snow was so dry and cold that there was no need for ice
grippers on our boots.  It was not slippery at all.


    --bonniev

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alyce cresap said:
> I never would have asked if I had not been told first that they existed.
> I assure you.

Ah. Well, every drug has side-effects. Sorry you didn't know that.

Karen

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Tushar Samant said:
> Unnecessary "LOL"s diminish all of us.

LOL is never unnecessary.

Thank you for providing an example of why programmers shouldn't write
their own message.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Ah. Well, every drug has side-effects. Sorry you didn't know that.

I am aware that all drugs *can* have side effects. I have read the
unending lists of nausea, dizziness, etc., etc. But usually they don't
say that these side effects definitely will manifest themselves in all
people. When you do your side effects litany, you make it sound pretty
definite that all of them will happen sooner or later.

alyce, forgiving, and let's stop now

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

 but my uncle, his son, is in his
> early 80s now (but has just found out that he has lung cancer).

I am most sorry to hear this. Really.

alyce

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > > What she said.  I found the posting of that long list of possible
> > > side-effects -- well, I won't say what I found it.
> >
> > She asked.
>
>I never would have asked if I had not been told first that they existed.
>I assure you.       --alyce

You must forgive Karen.  She finds it fascinating to know all these medical
things.   I do too.  But not everyone does.


    --bonniev

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bonniev wrote:
>
> You must forgive Karen.  She finds it fascinating to know all these medical
> things.   I do too.  But not everyone does.

These things certainly are interesting. But I am in the position of
having to take them or finding another pulmonologist (and there are no
others here). If I had choices in doctors and drugs, I would be less
upset to learn that my already tenuous grip on life is being loosened by
my taking the prescribed prednisone et al.

alyce

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02003-01-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> Tushar Samant said:
> > Unnecessary "LOL"s diminish all of us.
>
> LOL is never unnecessary.

LOL is almost always unnecessary, and furthermore it keeps no city
weird.

> Thank you for providing an example of why programmers shouldn't write
> their own message.

If anything, that was an example of why programmers should learn
to write messages. We do not expect them to be full-fledged writers.
Yet it would be detrimental to let them go scot-free after a failure
to communicate short day-to-day messages. It creates an unacceptable
disconnection between coding and communicating. Paradoxically, most
programmers habitually go on in a noxiously fartish manner about how
their profession IS that of sophisticated communication. Is said
"communication" then on a higher plane than a human language can
reach? That is a nonsense, madam, and we reject it outright. We
could ask the several new-world fowler monkeys on this service to
recommend books for programmers, just to read and emulate, for the
good of humankind. Unfortunately, one fears they will be books written
by E B White or similar pansy-assed nerds. The problem seems unfixable
at present, unfortunately.

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bonniev wrote:

> years.  I can't really grasp the idea of living another 30 although I know
> I have a good chance to do so because my mother lived to be 93.

I thought you were supposed to die in your early 50s.  I can't remember
now why that was supposed to happen.

Are we necessarily supposed to live the number of years our mothers
lived?  What about our fathers?  Or is it gender-based -- as in sons
live the ages as fathers, daughters as mothers?  This doesn't make
sense, though.  Daddy's daddy died when Daddy was 14, but Daddy lived to
be 86.  My mother's daddy died at 64, but my uncle, his son, is in his
early 80s now (but has just found out that he has lung cancer).  My
mother was not all that far off re her mother, though.  Her mother died
less than a month before her 90th birthday.  My mother died just over a
month before her 89th birthday.

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alyce cresap wrote:

>  It is below zero every night, and does not rise above 20F  in the
> day. Next Tuesday another blast comes from the arctic, which will mean
> about 10F max during the day. No end in sight at least in the next seven
> days.

Ugh.  I realize that northern climes are better able to handle lengthy
periods of cold than we are.  Here when it goes many days without ever
making it above freezing (and fortunately that doesn't happen often), we
are in pipe-bursting chaos.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>What does one do with a stress dot?  Do you rub it or tape it to your
>>>body or what?
>>>
>>        It's a like a puffy sticker.  You stick it to the back of
>>your hand and it turns colors.
>>
>
> Like whatever that diet fad was a good many years ago that had you tt on
> a strip that was supposed to turn purple or maybe it was not turn purple
> -- something to indicate whether you were following the diet?


        No, there weren't any bodily fluids involved.



--
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alyce cresap wrote:

>  but my uncle, his son, is in his
> > early 80s now (but has just found out that he has lung cancer).
>
> I am most sorry to hear this. Really.

Yes, it is upsetting.  He got the diagnosis the day before my mother
died.  Lots of things seem to be happening at the same time.  He's going
to have surgery in Barcelona Jan. 28.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Up under cars.
>
> That's where they go when it's hot, too. When this cat lived next
> door, I always had to check under my car.

And inside cars -- as is under the hood.  And now that I've said that,
I'm trying to figure out how a cat would manage to get there.  But I
know for sure that I've heard stories of cats being fatally chopped up
when people started cars because the cats were somehow ingrained in the
motors.  How could that be?

> I think it's happier where
> it is now, in a protected corner of my covered patio, on a plastic pad
> with 4 old t-shirts piled on top.

That sounds good.  It can burrow down under the t-shirts.

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02003-01-16 | Rita Chapman <rouvalis@SWBELL.NET> writes:
> You won't get that much.  They said all this snow was coming
> yadda yadda yadda... we got a dusting.  Ana's school decided
> to cancel this morning.  It wasn't on the news, and not a
> flake of snow had fallen, so *naively* I went to drop her
> off this morning at 6:30am and was told no childcare/no
> school.  I am blinking incredulously.  But..But... there's
> no snow... none... not even any falling from the sky!  Oh,
> but snow was *forecast*.  Yeah.  OK, so I took Ana to school
> with me, and luckily Kevin was able to work from home today
> so he left work and met me at the high school to pick her
> up.  They say we got 1/2 inch, but they must have searched
> far and wide for the biggest drift at Lambert Field to even
> measure that much.

Although Rita has uh-huhed me to scorn recently, causing
the remaining microscopic bits of my heart to crumble to
dust entirely, somehow a fire still burns where it used
to beat. I feel for "Rita". Yes, even T-Bone feels,
sometimes.

> I will kill those fucking Lutheran pansy-ass pussies.

I start as I see the exact same adjective that I had occasion
to use only few minutes ago on this BBS ... "pansy-ass" is
exactly right. Please, carry a baseball bat when driving to
school from now on. It's time people started acting like
dignified humans instead school-closing pussies.

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I know of another kind of stress dot--a dot on a card which you
pinch for 10 seconds. Actually, I thought it was a joke when I
first saw it--it looked like a printed black dot, and the card
assigned different stress levels to the color resulting after
pressing it, black being "extremely stresssed". Doubtless, all
get black, I thought as I foolishly held it firmly between thumb
and finger. And yet ... it had turned a very attractive blue /
green, saying I was one degree down from completely unperturbed.
I got M******e, a coworker, to try it, and yes, it turned a
sickly dark red, indicating (correctly) that she was highly
stressed.

Later, I figured out that it only measured the strength of
the pressure you put on it. Maybe the theory was that jittery
people can't apply strong continuous pressure.

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>Ugh.  I realize that northern climes are better able to handle lengthy
>periods of cold than we are.  Here when it goes many days without ever
>making it above freezing (and fortunately that doesn't happen often), we
>are in pipe-bursting chaos.     -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Just think, Natalie, at Acadiafest you will get to see a non-scary full
basement.  You can explore it at your leisure and take note how the water
pipes come in way below ground, how the oil tank is housed in the warmth of
the basement.  You can see the furnace, below ground.  Etc.  It will be an
adventure for you.


    --bonniev

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--On Thursday, January 16, 2003, 9:04 PM -0600 Natalie Maynor
<natalie@MAYNOR.NET> wrote:

> And inside cars -- as is under the hood.  And now that I've said that,
> I'm trying to figure out how a cat would manage to get there.  But I
> know for sure that I've heard stories of cats being fatally chopped up
> when people started cars because the cats were somehow ingrained in the
> motors.  How could that be?
>

When I was young we had a cat that would do this.  It would climb up on the
radiator mount and then by the fan blade onto the engine.  There was no way
to tell until you started the car (the first time).  Unfortunately the cat
went out the way it came in.  Luckily, he did not get chopped, but just cut
and healed fine.  After that my father always opened the hood on cold
mornings just to check.

Our cat now, weighs in at a hefty 16 or so pounds so contents himself with
sitting on the hood.   He is an outdoor cat, but comes when it is too cold.
I got the dirtiest look one day from the vet's assistance when I responded
to a question indicating he stayed outside all day/night during above
freezing weather.  He has a nice wooden box with an old woolen blanket on
the back porch and enjoys surveying his territory for varmits.

Karen - do you have a small box to put the shirts in?

Terry

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alyce cresap wrote:
> > That will be fun.  But it's got to be natural.  You can't just say, "Let
> > me say 'wait on line' for you -- wait on line."
>
> I understand. I would never do it in a fake way. Perhaps on the way to a
> restaurant, I might say, "I hope we don't have to wait on line for a
> table." Or something like that.

Yes!  That's exactly what I was thinking.  We've got to be <queuing>
somewhere or talking about that possibility.

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Karen Kay wrote:

 I think it's happier where
> it is now, in a protected corner of my covered patio, on a plastic pad
> with 4 old t-shirts piled on top.

You are a good person to care for kitty.
alyce

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Rita Chapman wrote:

> >>        It's a like a puffy sticker.  You stick it to the back of
> >>your hand and it turns colors.
> >>
> > Like whatever that diet fad was a good many years ago that had you tt on
> > a strip that was supposed to turn purple or maybe it was not turn purple
> > -- something to indicate whether you were following the diet?
>
>         No, there weren't any bodily fluids involved.

I only meant the changing of colors.  But might the sticking on the back
of your hand not involve sweat in some way?  If not bodily fluids, then
what would cause the color change?

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>If I had choices in doctors and drugs, I would be less
>upset to learn that my already tenuous grip on life is being loosened by
>my taking the prescribed prednisone et al.        --alyce

Some would argue that even when you have no choice, it is good to know what
you are up against.  Others would rather not know.


    --bonniev

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In a message dated 01/16/2003 8:33:28 PM Central Standard Time,
alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<<
Tonight I tried to call Ken for a long time and kept getting a message
that all of my long distance carrier's (ATT) circuits were busy and to
try again.
>>

That happened to me the Monday before Christmas when Dianne and
I tried to get to work during a snowstorm, took half an hour to travel
half a mile, and decided to turn around and come home (she lives
in the apartment complex next to mine).  It didn't help that Sears'
phone system was out that day (to save money, it uses Broken
Arrow's Valor system instead of Tulsa's SW Bell, and Valor was out
all day due to a cut fiber-optic cable).  I had brought my ATT cell
phone; I wonder if my VoiceStream phone had worked so that I
could have called home.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

"How do you get all those coins?" asked Mort.
IN PAIRS.

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In a message dated 01/16/2003 6:13:04 PM Central Standard Time,
williams@MAIL.MC.MARICOPA.EDU writes:

<<
I've been keeping up.  Boo is, I'm afraid, an ex-cat.


>>

I'm sorry.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com

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IN PAIRS.

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
> He's going
> to have surgery in Barcelona Jan. 28.

I will send good thoughts to Spain.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>  Unfortunately, one fears they will be books written
> by E B White or similar pansy-assed nerds. The problem seems unfixable
> at present, unfortunately.

Ah, Tushar, if laughter is the best medicine, you are far better for me
than prednisone.

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
> Just think, Natalie, at Acadiafest you will get to see a non-scary full
> basement.

Yes, I now recall that she was afraid to go in mine, because it is full
of frightening somethings. Sounds as if yours is very clean and spartan.
Lacking character.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> These things certainly are interesting. But I am in the position of
> having to take them or finding another pulmonologist (and there are no
> others here).

I don't think there isn't a doctor who wouldn't prescribe prednisone
in your situation. My allergist (who used to be a pulmonologist) and I
had long talks about when to take it.

> If I had choices in doctors and drugs, I would be less
> upset to learn that my already tenuous grip on life is being loosened by
> my taking the prescribed prednisone et al.

Au contraire--prednisone is probably lengthening your life.

Karen

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> That happened to me the Monday before Christmas when Dianne and
> I tried to get to work during a snowstorm,

Can Bethany's snowstorm have wiped out ATT along the whole East Coast?
Jack still cannot reach me, but we're giving up that call for tonight so
I can go to sleep.

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> Au contraire--prednisone is probably lengthening your life.

Oh, good. I am much happier now. I am to take two pills in the morning,
then the diminishing starts on Saturday. I have to cut pills in half,
but they are so small that I don't think it will be easy.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> You are a good person to care for kitty.

Well, Theo thinks I'm cruel.

Anyway, you have reminded me that I meant to feed it again before I
went to bed.

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Ah. Well, every drug has side-effects. Sorry you didn't know that.
>
> I am aware that all drugs *can* have side effects. I have read the
> unending lists of nausea, dizziness, etc., etc. But usually they don't
> say that these side effects definitely will manifest themselves in all
> people. When you do your side effects litany, you make it sound pretty
> definite that all of them will happen sooner or later.

Ah, sorry. No. What I hate about prednisone in particular is that it's
SO SUCKY and I am so dependent on it sometimes.

> alyce, forgiving, and let's stop now

Indeed.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Ugh.  I realize that northern climes are better able to handle lengthy
> periods of cold than we are.  Here when it goes many days without ever
> making it above freezing (and fortunately that doesn't happen often), we
> are in pipe-bursting chaos.

They are warning people about that here, but all my pipes are
interior. That I know of.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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02003-01-16 | alyce cresap <alybooks@VALSTAR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >  Unfortunately, one fears they will be books written
> > by E B White or similar pansy-assed nerds. The problem seems unfixable
> > at present, unfortunately.
>
> Ah, Tushar, if laughter is the best medicine, you are far better for me
> than prednisone.

Laughing, are we?

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Natalie Maynor said:
> And inside cars -- as is under the hood.  And now that I've said that,
> I'm trying to figure out how a cat would manage to get there.  But I
> know for sure that I've heard stories of cats being fatally chopped up
> when people started cars because the cats were somehow ingrained in the
> motors.  How could that be?

They could be chopped by a radiator fan. But it would have to jump up,
and this cat hasn't jumped anywhere for a long time.

> > I think it's happier where
> > it is now, in a protected corner of my covered patio, on a plastic pad
> > with 4 old t-shirts piled on top.
>
> That sounds good.  It can burrow down under the t-shirts.

Sort of. It's been lining its nest with its own hair--this thing has a
gorgeous ruff but sheds a lot. I'm glad it's not inside.

Karen
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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > Tushar Samant said:
> > > Unnecessary "LOL"s diminish all of us.
> >
> > LOL is never unnecessary.
>
> LOL is almost always unnecessary, and furthermore it keeps no city
> weird.

LOL.:)

> > Thank you for providing an example of why programmers shouldn't write
> > their own message.
>
> If anything, that was an example of why programmers should learn
> to write messages.

I have done by best, in the past, to train them.

> We do not expect them to be full-fledged writers.  Yet it would be
> detrimental to let them go scot-free after a failure to communicate
> short day-to-day messages. It creates an unacceptable disconnection
> between coding and communicating. Paradoxically, most programmers
> habitually go on in a noxiously fartish manner about how their
> profession IS that of sophisticated communication. Is said
> "communication" then on a higher plane than a human language can
> reach? That is a nonsense, madam, and we reject it outright. We
> could ask the several new-world fowler monkeys on this service to
> recommend books for programmers, just to read and emulate, for the
> good of humankind. Unfortunately, one fears they will be books
> written by E B White or similar pansy-assed nerds. The problem seems
> unfixable at present, unfortunately.

Nice paragraph, programmer!

Karen
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Terry Wild said:
> Karen - do you have a small box to put the shirts in?

This is not a box cat. It likes corners, but three sides make it
nervous. The shirts are on a plastic doormat, which should insulate
them from the concrete somewhat. It's only 3 nights, and the days will
be around 60.

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> Oh, good. I am much happier now. I am to take two pills in the morning,
> then the diminishing starts on Saturday. I have to cut pills in half,
> but they are so small that I don't think it will be easy.

Aren't they scored?

Do you have a pill cutter? They are handy devices.

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> Aren't they scored?

I don't know. I did not examine them. And they are not here at the
computer for me to do it now.
>
> Do you have a pill cutter? They are handy devices.

You are kidding. I so rarely take pills that it had not occurred to me
to have one. In fact, I did not know that they exist. I'll work it out
somehow. I have a vast supply of pills, if I make a mistake. I only am
to take ten in eight days, but I received 100.

alyce

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> Laughing, are we?

Better laughter from this quarter than silence.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> > Do you have a pill cutter? They are handy devices.
>
> You are kidding.

No.

> I so rarely take pills that it had not occurred to me
> to have one. In fact, I did not know that they exist.

That's why I'm telling you. They are these little plastic things that
have a razor blade inside. In fact, I think I bought mine because of
prednisone many years ago.

> I'll work it out
> somehow. I have a vast supply of pills, if I make a mistake. I only am
> to take ten in eight days, but I received 100.

If they are scored, you can sometimes use a knife to good effect.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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In a message dated 1/16/2003 2:06:34 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< My neighbor never has kept Spike for me. Spike went back to the Senior
Dog Adoption Service lady on Saturday, and a good thing, too, for I
could not care for him then nor now.
 >>
Oh, I must have missed something there, sorry. But I'm happy he's getting
good care. I'm kinda at loss right now how to arrange my travelagenda with
Mickey (my kitty) She had surgery last week, and her rabies shot. She has to
wear this plastic collar because she had ripped out 2 stitches. Hopefully she
won't have to wear it much longer, because she isn't happy with it, and tries
to shake it off all the time.
How you're doing right now. Is your pain all gone? If not, hopefully it's
lessening each day. My thoughts are with you, if that helps any. Theo

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In a message dated 1/16/2003 3:07:23 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< It's an outdoor cat. >>

There is no such thing  as outdoor animals, dogs or cats that's MY opinion
and I don't give a damn what other people think about it, so there! Theo

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At 09:24 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Where do outdoor cats go in very cold weather?
> >
>Up under cars. They find warm places somehow unless it is truly brutal.

Yes, my SIL started the engine once. . . .

Betty

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<< John Williams wrote:
>  I've been keeping up.  Boo is, I'm afraid, an ex-cat.
 >>

I'm sorry, Theo

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In a message dated 1/16/2003 9:26:27 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< Sort of. It's been lining its nest with its own hair--this thing has a
gorgeous ruff but sheds a lot. I'm glad it's not inside.
 >>

All animals shed, but it's a tiny price to pay for all the love you receive
from them.
Theo

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 12:19:00AM -0500, Theodora Groothof wrote:
= In a message dated 1/16/2003 3:07:23 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
=
= << It's an outdoor cat. >>
=
= There is no such thing  as outdoor animals, dogs or cats that's MY opinion
= and I don't give a damn what other people think about it, so there! Theo

Get a grip, Theo!

There are lots of reasons lots of people have outdoor pets.  And
they do their best to take care of them.  And the pets are happy
and healthy.

I am worried about you and your upcoming trip to Idaho.  It's
possible to ask for a private security screening at the airport,
and this may take a lot of stress out of how to get through
security with both your wheelchair and your carry-on cat.

This link:
http://129.33.119.130/public/display?theme=58

is the one that mentions the private screening, but there are
other links about traveling with pets, and persons with
disabilities.

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
 I'm kinda at loss right now how to arrange my travelagenda with
> Mickey (my kitty) She had surgery last week, and her rabies shot. She has to
> wear this plastic collar

Those collars are a real bother. Are you flying to Idaho or driving? If
you are flying and she will be in a small container, probably you could
take the collar off just that long. When exactly are you leaving?

alyce

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20:58 16.01.2003 -0800 skrev Karen Kay:
>> I'll work it out
>> somehow. I have a vast supply of pills, if I make a mistake. I only am
>> to take ten in eight days, but I received 100.
>
>If they are scored, you can sometimes use a knife to good effect.

I have been using a knife on my beta blockers since the middle of December. I will see my doctor again today and hope that I can reduce the drugs even further, but we will see.

Espen

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Espen Ore wrote:
>  I will see my doctor again today and hope that I can reduce the drugs even further, but we will see.

I hope you can, too. I wonder why they don't make pills in smaller sizes
to avoid the cutting nuisance.

alyce, who slept so much in the day that her sleep is all mixed up now,
but who is going to bed to try again now

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Later, I figured out that it only measured the strength of
> the pressure you put on it. Maybe the theory was that jittery
> people can't apply strong continuous pressure.

But isn't it supposed to be a sign of stress to press hard when writing?

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bonniev wrote:

> the basement.  You can see the furnace, below ground.  Etc.  It will be an
> adventure for you.

Eek.  Aren't you afraid somebody is going to stuff a body into the
below-ground furnace?

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> In a message dated 1/16/2003 3:07:23 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << It's an outdoor cat. >>
>
> There is no such thing  as outdoor animals, dogs or cats that's MY opinion
> and I don't give a damn what other people think about it, so there! Theo


        OR goats.  If you can't keep them in your house with you,
then you shouldn't have them, I say!  Hair and turds are a
small price to pay for goat-love.




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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Rita Chapman wrote:
>
>
>>>>       It's a like a puffy sticker.  You stick it to the back of
>>>>your hand and it turns colors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Like whatever that diet fad was a good many years ago that had you tt on
>>>a strip that was supposed to turn purple or maybe it was not turn purple
>>>-- something to indicate whether you were following the diet?
>>>
>>        No, there weren't any bodily fluids involved.
>>
>
> I only meant the changing of colors.  But might the sticking on the back
> of your hand not involve sweat in some way?  If not bodily fluids, then
> what would cause the color change?


        Body heat.




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>>
>>Send 'em this way.. it's been in the low teens every morning. The temp tops
>>off at 25 during the day. My office feels like it's about 45. I'm tired of
>>being cold!
>>
>>Tina is even worse, she hates, hates, hates the cold. Her breaking point
>>was the first time the temps dropped below 40. I've been living with cold,
>>whiny, girlfriend for two months now. I still love her but I wish it were
>>warmer!
>
>I could send you the ones with the holes in them.
>
>Betty

Nah.. we already have plenty of that kind around the house.

lisa

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=
=         OR goats.  If you can't keep them in your house with you,
= then you shouldn't have them, I say!  Hair and turds are a
= small price to pay for goat-love.
=

you crack me up.

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From: "Bethany K. Dumas" <dumasb@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>Can Bethany's snowstorm have wiped out ATT along the whole East Coast?

Dunno, but it wiped out almost everything here except UT, which, I learned
at 6 a.m,, will operate on a <normal> schedule today.

I have just checked out the parking lot and Jackson Ave. JA has been
salted, and Central Av. is clear - it has obviously been plowed. I plan
to teach classes this morning, though I will not go in for a bit (classes
are 10-11, 11-12).

Bethany

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<snip>

>  I did get a little "stress dot," which as far as I could tell is the
> same kind
>of deal as a mood ring.  Mine turned black immediately.

Was that stress dot anywhere near you when you wrote the Lutheran pansy-ass
passage below? No doubt it would have exploded given I can feel the stress
pumping through this email.


>        It is supposed to be down into the single digits tonight.  If
>that school closes for cold weather (which it has a history
>of doing), I will kill those fucking Lutheran pansy-ass
>pussies.  Not a single child at that place walks any further
>than from mom's car to the door.  It is winter.  That's why
>man invented the *furnace*.

lisa

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The most desirable organ is from a person under 30 but there's a long, long
wait for these.

A couple of years ago 60 Minutes (or a similar show) did a story about
people receiving donating organs much quicker because they'd agreed to take
"older" organs.

I'm not sure what the cut off was for the older donors but those receiving
them were grateful for the shot to live longer regardless of how many miles
were on the <part>.

lisa
At 07:01 PM 1/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>alyce cresap wrote:
>
> > Because they are old and wearing out, I think. It may be the pneumonia
>
>Not that I think you or your lungs are old and wearing out, Alyce -- you
>are a spring chicken compared to my mother, but this did make me think
>of something I would have found laughable if I'd been feeling like
>laughing at the time.  I think I might have mentioned earlier that I had
>to hang around the emergency room for about three hours after my mother
>died, waiting for the coroner (whose fault it wasn't -- there had been a
>communication failure -- he hadn't gotten the message).  At some point
>after the first couple of hours I asked a nurse about the lengthy wait
>(since the earlier nurse had said that he would arrive soon -- that it
>would take a little while since he had to come from Sturgis but that it
>would be within thirty minutes).  I asked this new nurse whether I
>really had to be there to greet him (it turns out that I don't think he
>needed to be called at all, but that's another story), and she said yes,
>that there were questions about things like donating organs.  I found
>that really, really strange.  I'm an organ donor, as registered on my
>driver's license with the signatures of witnesses of my signing, but
>even I, at age 59, have thought how it's probably pretty silly -- like
>who would want any of my aged organs.  The idea that my mother, who
>would've been 89 this month, had organs anybody wanted struck me as
>totally preposterous.  I said to the nurse that any organ my mother had
>was for sure available to anybody who wanted it but that I doubted very
>much anybody would want her organs.  As it turned out, the very nice
>coroner said not a word about donating organs.
>
>I'm not sure that this nurse was totally of our world anyway.  She said
>in that same conversation that she really didn't know why the coroner
>hadn't arrived yet -- that when she had come on duty at 1900 (these
>times aren't necessarily what she said -- just the general gist) the
>outgoing nurse had said that the coroner had been called at 1830 and
>that then the other nurse left at 1905 etc. etc.  It happens that I like
>the 24-hr clock, have had a good bit of experience with it with train
>schedules in Europe and Asia, keep any electronic devices that allow it
>set on the 24-hr clock, and am in general quite comfortable with it.
>But this nurse knew none of that about me.  And, excluding people with
>military experience, my guess is that my comfortable feeling re the
>24-hr clock is not the norm in a small Mississippi town.  Iow, I found
>her a bit weird.
>
>--
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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At 09:21 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>bonniev wrote:
>> > Wow.  You could live another thirty years.   That's a long time.
>>
>>PS:  And no, that's not really a long time.  Thirty years ago does not
>>seem long ago at all to me.
>>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>Thirty years ago seems about two life times ago to me.  I was a completely
>different person.   And soooo many things have happened in those 30
>years.  I can't really grasp the idea of living another 30 although I know
>I have a good chance to do so because my mother lived to be 93.
>
>
>    --bonniev

 From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too fast.

Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
running out of time.

lisa

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> Eek.  Aren't you afraid somebody is going to stuff a body into the
> below-ground furnace?

Gas- and oil-burning furnaces do not have gaping mouths for
body-stuffing. They are solid, with pipes going in and pipes going out.
Only people who still use coal might have room for bodies.

alyce

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At 09:44 AM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Natalie Maynor wrote:
> >
> > Eek.  Aren't you afraid somebody is going to stuff a body into the
> > below-ground furnace?
>
>Gas- and oil-burning furnaces do not have gaping mouths for
>body-stuffing. They are solid, with pipes going in and pipes going out.
>Only people who still use coal might have room for bodies.
>
>alyce

Not true. The house I grew up in had and oil furnace. you could open the
door, see the flames and I supposed stuff in a body or body parts. The same
goes for the oil burning furnace in my current apartment.

lisa

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Theodora Groothof said:
> In a message dated 1/16/2003 9:26:27 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> << Sort of. It's been lining its nest with its own hair--this thing has a
> gorgeous ruff but sheds a lot. I'm glad it's not inside.
>  >>
>
> All animals shed, but it's a tiny price to pay for all the love you receive
> from them.

Thanks for your opinion, Theo. I'd rather keep breathing.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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alyce cresap said:
> I hope you can, too. I wonder why they don't make pills in smaller sizes
> to avoid the cutting nuisance.

Because cutting is easy with a splitter...

> alyce, who slept so much in the day that her sleep is all mixed up now,
> but who is going to bed to try again now

Good! Sleep will help you heal!

Karen

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lisa alfieri said:
> Will I have saved enough money for retirement?

No. And you may have lost your job so you are forced to use what you
saved.

Saving money is never a mistake, but you can always use more.

> Will I have had the kids I
> want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
> live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
> running out of time.

There's never enough time, either.:)

Karen

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Theodora Groothof said:
> In a message dated 1/16/2003 3:07:23 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> << It's an outdoor cat. >>
>
> There is no such thing  as outdoor animals, dogs or cats that's MY opinion
> and I don't give a damn what other people think about it, so there! Theo

You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*.

Karen
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Karen:

>Thank you for providing an example of why programmers shouldn't write
>their own message.

How's the potato chip biz working out?

-rashmi


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Rashmi Murthy said:
> How's the potato chip biz working out?

Doesn't start till the end of the month. I'm waiting for her to call
me back about something else till then.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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At 07:26 AM 1/17/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Rashmi Murthy said:
> > How's the potato chip biz working out?
>
>Doesn't start till the end of the month. I'm waiting for her to call
>me back about something else till then.
>
>Karen
>Poking and prying with purpose

I missed something.. what's the potato chip biz?

lisa

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From: "Alec D. Plotkin" <plotkina@isc.upenn.edu>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Kay
>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 PM
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>
>
>Alec D. Plotkin said:
>> >
>> >It can cause diabetes, among other things. Lowers the immune system
>> >(which is why it's prescribed for lupus and MS).
>> >
>> >Okay, here's a list from
>> >http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/sideeffects/blprednisone.htm:
>> >
>>
>> I find it hard to believe it can cause diabetes. I would
>love to see a cite.
>
>Do a search on steroid-induced diabetes. Here's one to get you
>started: http://www.pemphigus.org/am_diabetes.html.
>
>Karen
>Poking and prying with purpose
>

This diabetes is side effect of steroids which goes away when the steroids
stops. This is a temporary thing. It is nothing like classic diabetes. If
you said it causes sterioid induced diabetes, I would have not said a word.


alec

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lisa alfieri said:
> At 07:26 AM 1/17/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Rashmi Murthy said:
> > > How's the potato chip biz working out?
> >
> >Doesn't start till the end of the month. I'm waiting for her to call
> >me back about something else till then.
> >
> >Karen
> >Poking and prying with purpose
>
> I missed something.. what's the potato chip biz?

I'm supposed to have a job writing about potato chip manufacturing
quality control; starts at the end of the month.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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=
=  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too fast.
=
= Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
= want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
= live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
= running out of time.
=
= lisa

give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!

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At 05:02 PM 1/17/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>=
>=  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too
>fast.
>=
>= Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
>= want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
>= live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
>= running out of time.
>=
>= lisa
>
>give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!

I *knew* I should have kept this fear to myself. There was no way anyone
was going to say anything to make me feel better.

lisa

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Alec D. Plotkin said:
> This diabetes is side effect of steroids which goes away when the steroids
> stops. This is a temporary thing. It is nothing like classic diabetes. If
> you said it causes sterioid induced diabetes, I would have not said a word.

Most of the time it goes away; not always.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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At 09:56 AM 1/17/2003 -0500, lisa wrote:

>Not true. The house I grew up in had and oil furnace. you could open the
>door, see the flames and I supposed stuff in a body or body parts. The same
>goes for the oil burning furnace in my current apartment.

It's possible that the furnace in that house was a converted coal
furnace---there was one like that here when we bought the place.  Our new
oil furnace does indeed have a small door that provides access to the
burner.  I suppose one could butcher a body into sufficiently small pieces
that would fit.  However the combustion chamber really isn't that large, so
it would be hours of "chop it up, feed it in," all the while having to be
careful not to put so much in the chamber that would snuff the flame.

cwv

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> I'm supposed to have a job writing about potato chip manufacturing
> quality control; starts at the end of the month.

Oh, good. I had missed that.

alyce

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lisa alfieri said:
> I *knew* I should have kept this fear to myself. There was no way anyone
> was going to say anything to make me feel better.

No one can predict your future, so no one can say if you're saving
'enough'. But saving money is a good thing in itself. It *always*
comes in handy.

Karen
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s mandell said:
> I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> now social and popular at work!  What's happened!

I'd check my upper back for a hump.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> It's possible that the furnace in that house was a converted coal
> furnace---there was one like that here when we bought the place.

Karsten's was like that. It weighed 3000 pounds. It was really a thing
of beauty, but very inefficient.

> Our new
> oil furnace does indeed have a small door that provides access to the
> burner.  I suppose one could butcher a body into sufficiently small pieces
> that would fit.  However the combustion chamber really isn't that large, so
> it would be hours of "chop it up, feed it in," all the while having to be
> careful not to put so much in the chamber that would snuff the flame.

If Bonnie disappears, we know where to check first.:)

Karen
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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > I'm supposed to have a job writing about potato chip manufacturing
> > quality control; starts at the end of the month.
>
> Oh, good. I had missed that.

I think you were sick. Anyway, I won't consider it a done deal till I
start. But I don't think this makes me cynical--just realistic.

Karen
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>
>Alec D. Plotkin said:
>> This diabetes is side effect of steroids which goes away
>when the steroids
>> stops. This is a temporary thing. It is nothing like classic
>diabetes. If
>> you said it causes sterioid induced diabetes, I would have
>not said a word.
>
>Most of the time it goes away; not always.
>
>Karen
>Poking and prying with purpose
>

Yes, this relates to other factors in the person. The article said that
steroids are "pancreas stress test". If you have other factors such as being
obese, family history or a horrible diet then the sterioids are helping
discover a hidden problem.


alec

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>
>
>I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger
>installed too.  I'm
>now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
>

Bless your heart. Welcome to the jungle.


alec

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At 05:02 PM 1/17/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>=
>=  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too
>fast.
>=
>= Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
>= want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
>= live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
>= running out of time.
>=
>= lisa
>
>give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!

Start living and enjoying now is my motto.

Betty

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s mandell wrote:
>
> I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> now social and popular at work!  What's happened!

To think that you could have had that long ago.
alyce

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:03:24AM -0500, lisa alfieri wrote:
= At 05:02 PM 1/17/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
= >=
= >=  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too
= >fast.
= >=
= >= Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
= >= want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
= >= live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
= >= running out of time.
= >=
= >= lisa
= >
= >give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!
=
= I *knew* I should have kept this fear to myself. There was no way anyone
= was going to say anything to make me feel better.
=
= lisa

I was going to write something else, but this would be my cue to
shut up.

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:12:32AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
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= > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
= > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
=
= I'd check my upper back for a hump.
=

Are you trying to say that my spinal column has collapsed?

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:49:02AM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
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= > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
= > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
=
= To think that you could have had that long ago.
= alyce

It wouldn't have been the same.

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steph said:
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:12:32AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = s mandell said:
> = > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> = > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
> =
> = I'd check my upper back for a hump.
> =
>
> Are you trying to say that my spinal column has collapsed?

No. It was a Heinlein referent.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: English Language Discussion Group
>[mailto:WORDS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of steph
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>
>
>On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:12:32AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
>= s mandell said:
>= > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger
>installed too.  I'm
>= > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
>=
>= I'd check my upper back for a hump.
>=
>
>Are you trying to say that my spinal column has collapsed?
>

It is a side effect of Words-l.

alec

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:35:35AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
= At 05:02 PM 1/17/2003 +0100, you wrote:
= >=
= >=  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too
= >fast.
= >=
= >= Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
= >= want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
= >= live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
= >= running out of time.
= >=
= >= lisa
= >
= >give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!
=
= Start living and enjoying now is my motto.
=

I am, I am, but the clock is ticking!

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:26:01AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:12:32AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= > = s mandell said:
= > = > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
= > = > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
= > =
= > = I'd check my upper back for a hump.
= > =
= >
= > Are you trying to say that my spinal column has collapsed?
=
= No. It was a Heinlein referent.
=

Oh.  Geez.  I haven't read Heinlein in years and years.  It's all
gone except for "grok".

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 4:52:23 AM, rouvalis@SWBELL.NET writes:

<<         OR goats.  If you can't keep them in your house with you,
then you shouldn't have them, I say!  Hair and turds are a
small price to pay for goat-love.
 >>

There you go! LOL
Theo

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steph said:
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:26:01AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:12:32AM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = > = s mandell said:
> = > = > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> = > = > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
> = > =
> = > = I'd check my upper back for a hump.
> = > =
> = >
> = > Are you trying to say that my spinal column has collapsed?
> =
> = No. It was a Heinlein referent.
> =
>
> Oh.  Geez.  I haven't read Heinlein in years and years.  It's all
> gone except for "grok".

"Puppet Masters".

(It came up in our discussion of "Stranger in a Strange Land";
otherwise I haven't thought of it in years.)

Karen
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Theodora Groothof said:
> In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:01:15 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << > All animals shed, but it's a tiny price to pay for all the love you
> receive
> > from them.
>
> Thanks for your opinion, Theo. I'd rather keep breathing.
>
> Karen
>  >>
>
> Isn't that what vacuumcleaners were invented for? Just wondering.......

I'm guessing you don't understand what 'allergic' means? Vacuum
cleaners work well if someone else follows the cat around with one,
but I don't have anyone to perform this function.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 2:37:16 AM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Those collars are a real bother. Are you flying to Idaho or driving? If
you are flying and she will be in a small container, probably you could
take the collar off just that long. When exactly are you leaving?

alyce
 >>

It's still uncertain which way I'll go. I had looked into plane schedules,
but I'd have to go to Denver to get a direct flight to Boise. Then I'd need
to get picked up from there to get to Meridian. I've also had an offer to get
driven all the way, but this would take 2 days, because the driver won't
drive after dark.  With all this security stuff going on, I'm beginning to
think the driving choice might be the better one, afterall.
There's still so much to arrange. The moving company is coming Monday, to
check out what's needed to get THAT part done. Considering everything, I can
hardly wait to get to my destination, but I'll have to. This isn't my first
move by far, but I'm hoping it'll be the last one. I'm getting too damned old
for this! :-{ But I'm grateful too be in good health yet. My brain might be
shot, and 1/2 of the body not working right, but hey, the rest is OK! As long
as I can make my own decisions, voice my own opinions, and get treated with
respect in that regard, I'm happy. I can still take care of myself, am still
able to find ways to get the help if or when I need it, so I'm still better
off than some people. As I've said before, you people are most of my social
life, and thanks to Alyce I'm happy to have *met* you all. I'm going to have
an extra bedroom in my new house, and all of you are hereby invited to visit
whenever you get to Idaho. Deal?
Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:01:15 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< > All animals shed, but it's a tiny price to pay for all the love you
receive
> from them.

Thanks for your opinion, Theo. I'd rather keep breathing.

Karen
 >>

Isn't that what vacuumcleaners were invented for? Just wondering.......
Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 12:49:39 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< I'm guessing you don't understand what 'allergic' means? Vacuum
cleaners work well if someone else follows the cat around with one,
but I don't have anyone to perform this function.

Karen
 >>

Yes, I understand 'allergic'. I have some alergies myself, and I'm sorry you
have them. But your point was that this cat was 'happier' outside, and that's
what I was disagreeing with. Forgive me?
Theo

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In Windows 2000, I had the toolbar set up so that the QuickLaunch
toolbar was to the right of the, uh, task toolbar (or whatever it's
called--where the stuff your'e using shows up). How do I do that in
XP? (I have no idea how I did this in 2000 any more.)

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:10:21 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<< You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*. >>

Oh dear, I better ask my cat if she wouldn't have been happier to stay
outside in the cold. I hope she will forgive me for being so inconsiderate.
What else have I been doing wrong, Karen?

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02003-01-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > Thank you for providing an example of why programmers shouldn't write
> > > their own message.
> >
> > If anything, that was an example of why programmers should learn
> > to write messages.
>
> I have done by best, in the past, to train them.

Did you play the taws?

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02003-01-17 | s mandell <steph_mandell@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> now social and popular at work!  What's happened!

Unsubscribe in shame.

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02003-01-17 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> alyce cresap said:
> > I hope you can, too. I wonder why they don't make pills in
> > smaller sizes to avoid the cutting nuisance.
>
> Because cutting is easy with a splitter...

Shame, Microsoft soup swallower. You blame the people who do
not upgrade? Shame. Until now I simply laughed at the ridiculous
plethora of garlic peelers, rabbit corkscrews, things which you
can't do shit with except on artichokes, and other Martha Stewart
crap. But with the mention of a freaking pill splitter I draw
the line. I do not laugh, I thunderously denounce. Pill makers
should make pills in smaller sizes. Just as if the minimum dose
on something is TWO tabs--they should make them as one. Period.
And now, K-R-N, if you could compress my agony into a shorter
than geological time interval. Kindly list all the remarkably
dumb infomercial gizmos that you have obviously loaded your
crib with, in ONE long post, and let that dog sleep.

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At 07:26 PM 1/17/2003 +0100, steph wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:35:35AM -0800, Betty Clark wrote:
>= At 05:02 PM 1/17/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>= >=
>= >=  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too
>= >fast.
>= >=
>= >= Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
>= >= want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I
>wanted to
>= >= live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
>= >= running out of time.
>= >=
>= >= lisa
>= >
>= >give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!
>=
>= Start living and enjoying now is my motto.
>=
>
>I am, I am, but the clock is ticking!

Hurry!

Betty

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Tushar Samant said:
> 02003-01-16 | Karen Kay <karen@WORDWRITE.COM> writes:
> > > > Thank you for providing an example of why programmers shouldn't write
> > > > their own message.
> > >
> > > If anything, that was an example of why programmers should learn
> > > to write messages.
> >
> > I have done by best, in the past, to train them.
>
> Did you play the taws?

Yes.

Janet Wannabe

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> In Windows 2000, I had the toolbar set up so that the QuickLaunch
> toolbar was to the right of the, uh, task toolbar (or whatever it's
> called--where the stuff your'e using shows up). How do I do that in
> XP? (I have no idea how I did this in 2000 any more.)
>
> Karen

Right-click the Taskbar and click Lock the Taskbar to deselect it.
Then right-click it again, point to Toolbars, and select Quick Launch. It should appear. Modify it as desired.
When you are done, lock the Taskbar again to hide the handles.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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= Start living and enjoying now is my motto.

>I am, I am, but the clock is ticking!

Right, but vastly preferable to the clock *not* ticking!

AS

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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > Later, I figured out that it only measured the strength of
> > the pressure you put on it. Maybe the theory was that jittery
> > people can't apply strong continuous pressure.
>
> But isn't it supposed to be a sign of stress to press hard when writing?

Maynor, please take both horns of the copula by the scruff
of their roots--I said strong AND I said continuous. Besides,
it's just a gimmicky damn dot, which may mean nothing ... I
am saying this as an employee of a young "dot" culture, and
a descendant of an old one.

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Tushar Samant said:
> Maynor, please take both horns of the copula by the scruff
> of their roots--I said strong AND I said continuous. Besides,
> it's just a gimmicky damn dot, which may mean nothing ... I
> am saying this as an employee of a young "dot" culture, and
> a descendant of an old one.

Oooh, nice! I bet you write *great* message.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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I thought this was clever.

enjoy...

lisa
George Bush's Iraq Song....

Sung to the tune:  "If You're Happy And You Know It Clap Your Hands" ........

 > If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
 > If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.
 > If the terrorists are Saudi
 > And the bank takes back your Audi
 > And the TV shows are bawdy,
 > Bomb Iraq!

 > If the corporate scandal's growin', bomb Iraq.
 > And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq.
 > If the smoking gun ain't smokin'
 > We don't care, and we're not jokin'.
 > That Saddam will soon be croakin',
 > Bomb Iraq!


 > Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq.
 > From the sand dunes to the valleys, bomb Iraq.
 > So to hell with the inspections;
 > Let's look tough for the elections,
 > Close your mind and take directions,
 > Bomb Iraq!

 > While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq.
 > Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq.
 > If the ozone hole is growing,
 > Some things we prefer not knowing.
 > (Though our ignorance is showing),
 > Bomb Iraq!


 > So here's one for dear old daddy, bomb Iraq,
 > From his favourite little laddy, bomb Iraq.
 > Saying no would look like treason.
 > It's the Hussein hunting season.
 > Even if we have no reason,
 > Bomb Iraq!

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Theodora Groothof said:
> In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:10:21 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>
> << You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*. >>
>
> Oh dear, I better ask my cat if she wouldn't have been happier to stay
> outside in the cold. I hope she will forgive me for being so inconsiderate.
> What else have I been doing wrong, Karen?

Oh, fuck you, Theo. I don't know your cat, I have no idea what would
make her happy. Please have the courtesy to accept that the same is
true for my cat, and don't fucking accuse me of being cruel. Forcing
an outdoor cat to be inside all the time is cruel.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Theodora Groothof said:
> In a message dated 1/17/2003 12:49:39 PM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> << I'm guessing you don't understand what 'allergic' means? Vacuum
> cleaners work well if someone else follows the cat around with one,
> but I don't have anyone to perform this function.
>
> Karen
>  >>
>
> Yes, I understand 'allergic'. I have some alergies myself, and I'm sorry you
> have them. But your point was that this cat was 'happier' outside, and that's
> what I was disagreeing with. Forgive me?

No. The cat *is* happier outside, whether you believe it or not.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > In Windows 2000, I had the toolbar set up so that the QuickLaunch
> > toolbar was to the right of the, uh, task toolbar (or whatever it's
> > called--where the stuff your'e using shows up). How do I do that in
> > XP? (I have no idea how I did this in 2000 any more.)
> >
> > Karen
>
> Right-click the Taskbar and click Lock the Taskbar to deselect it.
> Then right-click it again, point to Toolbars, and select Quick Launch. It should appear. Modify it as desired.
> When you are done, lock the Taskbar again to hide the handles.

Out of the mouth of babes.:) Thanks!

Karen
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Theodora Groothof wrote:
 I'm beginning to
> think the driving choice might be the better one, afterall.

Oh, I think so! With the uncertainty of flights in winter weather, you
might be stuck at an airport with an unhappy and hungry cat. Though it
is a long ride, it would be a lot easier than flying, I should think.

alyce


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At 03:14 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
> >
> >Theodora Groothof said:
> >> In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:10:21 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> >>
> >> << You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*. >>
> >>
> >> Oh dear, I better ask my cat if she wouldn't have been
> >happier to stay
> >> outside in the cold. I hope she will forgive me for being so
> >inconsiderate.
> >> What else have I been doing wrong, Karen?
> >
> >Oh, fuck you, Theo. I don't know your cat, I have no idea what would
> >make her happy. Please have the courtesy to accept that the same is
> >true for my cat, and don't fucking accuse me of being cruel. Forcing
> >an outdoor cat to be inside all the time is cruel.
> >
> >Karen
> >Poking and prying with purpose
> >
>
>Cranky, Cranky!

I liked that she called it "my cat".

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>
>Theodora Groothof said:
>> In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:10:21 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>>
>> << You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*. >>
>>
>> Oh dear, I better ask my cat if she wouldn't have been
>happier to stay
>> outside in the cold. I hope she will forgive me for being so
>inconsiderate.
>> What else have I been doing wrong, Karen?
>
>Oh, fuck you, Theo. I don't know your cat, I have no idea what would
>make her happy. Please have the courtesy to accept that the same is
>true for my cat, and don't fucking accuse me of being cruel. Forcing
>an outdoor cat to be inside all the time is cruel.
>
>Karen
>Poking and prying with purpose
>

Cranky, Cranky!


alec

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 01:30:56PM -0600, Amy Burns Short wrote:
= = Start living and enjoying now is my motto.
=
= >I am, I am, but the clock is ticking!
=
= Right, but vastly preferable to the clock *not* ticking!
=
= AS

You said it!

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Alec D. Plotkin said:
> >
> >Theodora Groothof said:
> >> In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:10:21 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
> >>
> >> << You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*. >>
> >>
> >> Oh dear, I better ask my cat if she wouldn't have been
> >happier to stay
> >> outside in the cold. I hope she will forgive me for being so
> >inconsiderate.
> >> What else have I been doing wrong, Karen?
> >
> >Oh, fuck you, Theo. I don't know your cat, I have no idea what would
> >make her happy. Please have the courtesy to accept that the same is
> >true for my cat, and don't fucking accuse me of being cruel. Forcing
> >an outdoor cat to be inside all the time is cruel.
> >
> >Karen
> >Poking and prying with purpose
> >
>
> Cranky, Cranky!

Yes, I'm cranky when people tell me I'm being cruel when I'm not.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 01:38:42PM -0600, Tushar Samant wrote:
= 02003-01-17 | s mandell <steph_mandell@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
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= Unsubscribe in shame.

Add me to your contacts, Big T.

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 03:41:42PM -0500, alyce cresap wrote:
= Theodora Groothof wrote:
=  I'm beginning to
= > think the driving choice might be the better one, afterall.
=
= Oh, I think so! With the uncertainty of flights in winter weather, you
= might be stuck at an airport with an unhappy and hungry cat. Though it
= is a long ride, it would be a lot easier than flying, I should think.
=
= alyce

I dunno about Theo's cat, but I don't want to be in a car for two
days with Murphy (in a box).  He's got enough of a trip ahead
just getting to Bath.

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=
= I liked that she called it "my cat".

She's been in firm posession of the cat for quite a while now.
Just because she can't touch it doesn't mean she doesn't like
having it, it seems.  Fair enough.

I'm wondering why Theo never heard of a barn cat or a farm cat?

http://foalfarm.org.uk/sponsorship/Cats.htm

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>(It came up in our discussion of "Stranger in a Strange Land";
>otherwise I haven't thought of it in years.)
>Karen

What else came up in that discussion?  Have you read _Time Enough For
Love_?  I enjoyed that many years ago.  Good ole Lazarus Long.  There was a
flaw in _Time Enough for Love_. Something about his mother being dead and
then not dead.


    --bonniev

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>I dunno about Theo's cat, but I don't want to be in a car for two
>days with Murphy (in a box).  He's got enough of a trip ahead
>just getting to Bath.

You can tranquilize a cat for travel.  Even without that, some cats are
very good travelers.  We made it up here to Maine from Tennessee in two and
a half days.  All three cats were quite well behaved without tranqs.


    --bonniev

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Betty Clark wrote:

> At 03:14 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, Alec D. Plotkin wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Theodora Groothof said:
>> >> In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:10:21 AM, karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:
>> >>
>> >> << You haven't met this cat. It's an outdoor cat *by choice*. >>
>> >>
>> >> Oh dear, I better ask my cat if she wouldn't have been
>> >happier to stay
>> >> outside in the cold. I hope she will forgive me for being so
>> >inconsiderate.
>> >> What else have I been doing wrong, Karen?
>> >
>> >Oh, fuck you, Theo. I don't know your cat, I have no idea what would
>> >make her happy. Please have the courtesy to accept that the same is
>> >true for my cat, and don't fucking accuse me of being cruel. Forcing
>> >an outdoor cat to be inside all the time is cruel.
>> >
>> >Karen
>> >Poking and prying with purpose
>> >
>>
>> Cranky, Cranky!
>
>
> I liked that she called it "my cat".
>

        I noticed that, too.  I'm glad she's adopted it.  I've known
many outdoor barn kitties in my life, and they're great
companions.



--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
rouvalis@swbell.net, rita@etext.org
http://www.etext.org/~rita


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steph said:
> =
> = I liked that she called it "my cat".
>
> She's been in firm posession of the cat for quite a while now.
> Just because she can't touch it doesn't mean she doesn't like
> having it, it seems.  Fair enough.

I like it. I guess I do like having it. I like watching it. But I do
feel that I have far too many pets--the cat makes 7.

> I'm wondering why Theo never heard of a barn cat or a farm cat?
>
> http://foalfarm.org.uk/sponsorship/Cats.htm

Aren't these old cats? 20 seems awfully old.

Karen
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lisa alfieri wrote:

> <snip>
>
>>  I did get a little "stress dot," which as far as I could tell is the
>> same kind
>> of deal as a mood ring.  Mine turned black immediately.
>
>
> Was that stress dot anywhere near you when you wrote the Lutheran pansy-ass
> passage below? No doubt it would have exploded given I can feel the stress
> pumping through this email.
>


        :).  No, I lost the little bugger.  Please note that I have
the husband (who turns the Big 5-0 today), gorgeous
daughter, house, and job of my dreams and then note my
stress levels.  Don't worry.  Be happy.  Go get pregnant
(also quite stressful, but fun).  If you want kids, do it
while you're young and healthy and can handle the fatigue
that goes with them.  Kids are a blast, but they wear you
out :).



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bonniev said:
> >(It came up in our discussion of "Stranger in a Strange Land";
> >otherwise I haven't thought of it in years.)
> >Karen
>
> What else came up in that discussion?

How many people hated the book.

> Have you read _Time Enough For Love_?

Yes. I think I've read everything he's written.

> I enjoyed that many years ago.  Good ole Lazarus Long.  There was a
> flaw in _Time Enough for Love_. Something about his mother being dead and
> then not dead.

Only one flaw?

Karen
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steph wrote:
>
> I dunno about Theo's cat, but I don't want to be in a car for two
> days with Murphy (in a box).  He's got enough of a trip ahead
> just getting to Bath.

Well, there are cats and then there are cats. I drove all around with my
two. Had them in harnesses with leashes and just looped the leash
handles over the gear shift. They loved to ride.

alyce


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Karen Kay wrote:
> Aren't these old cats? 20 seems awfully old.

Mine both lived to 25.

alyce

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Aren't these old cats? 20 seems awfully old.
>
> Mine both lived to 25.

Uh-oh. This one is only 10 or 11.

Karen
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Yay! I am glad you are here. Did you receive my message that I have a
> Sponge Bob doll?

    I must have missed that, but I have one in my office.  (I had it in
an outside window until I realized that it might become sun-damaged
and/or project a less than professional image...)

JMW

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bonniev wrote:

>   There was a
> flaw in _Time Enough for Love_. Something about his mother being dead and
> then not dead.

    I don't suppose the time-travel theme had anything to do with that?

JMW, not mentioning the Model T backseat

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The Historic American Cookbook Project:
http://digital.lib.msu.edu/cookbooks/index.cfm

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 1:38:32 PM, alfieri@ATTBI.COM writes:

<< I thought this was clever.

enjoy...

lisa
George Bush's Iraq Song....
 >>

Love it, thanks! Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 1:40:49 PM, alybooks@VALSTAR.NET writes:

<< Oh, I think so! With the uncertainty of flights in winter weather, you
might be stuck at an airport with an unhappy and hungry cat. Though it
is a long ride, it would be a lot easier than flying, I should think.
 >>

Thanks for your input, Ally. Two heads ARE better than one. I wasn't sure,
and didn't have anyone to  discuss it with, except for the driver. I haven't
flown for a long time, and never with a cat, so I really appreciate your
opinion on this matter.
Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 2:22:55 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< I dunno about Theo's cat, but I don't want to be in a car for two
days with Murphy (in a box).  He's got enough of a trip ahead
just getting to Bath.
 >>

She wouldn't be in a box. I've got this softsided carrier with screen windows
on 3 sides. And the driving time wouln'd be for more than 6 hours each day.
Therefor I think that driving would be easier on both of us. I just hadn't
been able to make up my mind before. What I still don't know about is what to
do about her "bathroom" habits.
Should I let her out halfway to use the litterbox, or can she hold it up
until I get to the motel? Theo (a cat newbie)

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 2:30:55 PM, stevie@MULTINIX.COM writes:

<< I'm wondering why Theo never heard of a barn cat or a farm cat? >>

I've heard of them, even known one while living on a farm during WW2, but it
doesn't mean that I like the idea; fair 'nuff? Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 2:54:30 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< You can tranquilize a cat for travel.  Even without that, some cats are
very good travelers.  We made it up here to Maine from Tennessee in two and
a half days.  All three cats were quite well behaved without tranqs.
 >>

That's making me feel a lot better, thanks Bonnie

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> > What else came up in that discussion?
>
>How many people hated the book.

Did you defend it?

> > flaw in _Time Enough for Love_. Something about his mother being dead and
> > then not dead.
>
>Only one flaw?
>Karen

No, that was one of several.   I didn't read it close enough to catch those
things myself.


    --bonniev

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>Karen Kay wrote:
> > Aren't these old cats? 20 seems awfully old.
>
>Mine both lived to 25.
>alyce

Mine mostly died at 17 or 18.


    --bonniev

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> > There was a flaw in _Time Enough for Love_. Something about his mother
> being dead and
> > then not dead.
>
>     I don't suppose the time-travel theme had anything to do with that?
>
>JMW, not mentioning the Model T backseat

No, the way I read it, it was a real mistake on the author's part.  In one
place, he spoke of her dying before such and such happened.  Then in
another place he had her alive when that happened.  Or something.


    --bonniev

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lisa alfieri wrote:

>  From the other end of the spectrum, I worry thirty years will go by too fast.

It will.

> Will I have saved enough money for retirement? Will I have had the kids I
> want to have, bought the house I want to buy and lived the life I wanted to
> live? All of these things have been on my mind lately and I feel like I'm
> running out of time.

I think it would be unusual for anybody to have managed to do absolutely
everything he/she wanted to do in life.

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>Should I let her out halfway to use the litterbox, or can she hold it up
>until I get to the motel? Theo (a cat newbie)

She can probably hold it for six hours and might not eat or use her litter
box anyway when in the totally unfamiliar area of an automobile.  She's be
scared in the motel also.  But she'll get used to the room in the middle of
the night and eat and do her thing.

You sound much happier than you used to be, Theo.  I'm happy for you.


    --bonniev

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lisa alfieri wrote:

> >
> >give it another ten years, then you'll really be worrying!
>
> I *knew* I should have kept this fear to myself. There was no way anyone
> was going to say anything to make me feel better.

How old are you?  I think you're worrying too much for your age.  I was
well into my thirties before it hit me that I should quit thoughts of
wandering and stick to the same job (or at least to a job within the
same retirement system).

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Theodora Groothof wrote:
>
> Should I let her out halfway to use the litterbox, or can she hold it up
> until I get to the motel? Theo (a cat newbie)

I would offer her the box at some point. She might not use it, but it
can't hurt to ask.

alyce
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>
> Whose image? Yours or Bob's?
>
> alyce

Both.

JMW

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> an extra bedroom in my new house, and all of you are hereby invited to visit
> whenever you get to Idaho. Deal?

Yes.  I was thinking today about how travel within the US may be the
thing to do in the future.  Dubya's grabbing of the Iraqi oil will give
us plenty of fuel, but taking advantage of the airplane fuel for trips
out of the country won't be a good idea since we will be pariahs
world-wide, to even a greater extent than we already are.

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At 02:55 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
>The Historic American Cookbook Project:
>http://digital.lib.msu.edu/cookbooks/index.cfm

Thanks.  I searched on "Fannie Farmer," which presumably is one of the
landmark American cookbooks (as I recall, one of the first to try to
standardize measurements).  No luck.  Then again, maybe "Fannie" is later
than 1922.

cwv

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alyce cresap wrote:

> Gas- and oil-burning furnaces do not have gaping mouths for
> body-stuffing. They are solid, with pipes going in and pipes going out.
> Only people who still use coal might have room for bodies.

Oh.  Among my various other horror-story images of basements is the
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John Williams wrote:
> project a less than professional image...)

Whose image? Yours or Bob's?

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > I *knew* I should have kept this fear to myself. There was no way anyone
> > was going to say anything to make me feel better.
>
> No one can predict your future, so no one can say if you're saving
> 'enough'. But saving money is a good thing in itself. It *always*
> comes in handy.

Her whole thing wasn't about retirement, of course.  There were the
other thoughts also.  But there's plenty of time for all of those
(except the one about doing everything you want to do in life).

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><< I'm wondering why Theo never heard of a barn cat or a farm cat? >>

>I've heard of them, even known one while living on a farm during WW2, but it
>doesn't mean that I like the idea; fair 'nuff? Theo

I am amused. I just came from PF where the OUTSIDE BARN cats have a
private 24/7 heater during the winter. They live better than any indoor
cats I have ever heard of. They have a little bed a few inches from the
heater.

Bethany

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>I think it would be unusual for anybody to have managed to do absolutely
>everything he/she wanted to do in life.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Not hard at all.   All you need are low expectations.   Freedom from
desires or hankerings.


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion, Theo. I'd rather keep breathing.

This reminds me that I finished Donna Tartt's _The Little Friend_ and
enjoyed it very much.  I should look again at that negative review I
posted here not long ago.  I can't remember now what all it said except
that some of the descriptive sentences were made fun of (sentences I
didn't notice -- guess I'm just not very discriminating) and something
about the unbelievable aged aunts.  That part is way off base, imho.
The aged aunts struck me as totally believable in every way, although
some of the other characters and some of the <activities> struck me as
quite unbelievable.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Karen Kay wrote:
>
> Uh-oh. This one is only 10 or 11.

I imagine that the life span of the average outdoor cat is somewhat
shorter than that of the average indoor cat taken care of by me.

alyce

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>Oh.  Among my various other horror-story images of basements is the
>image of a murderer stuffing the body into the furnace in the basement.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Mine is of stuffing a body behind the chimney in the attic.  That
particular horror-story was put in my mind by an older sibling.  But I did
not become afraid of attics.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> 02003-01-17 | s mandell <steph_mandell@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
>
> Unsubscribe in shame.

Am I the only one who doesn't really understand what this means --
exactly what it is that Steph has done?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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bonniev said:
> > > What else came up in that discussion?
> >
> >How many people hated the book.
>
> Did you defend it?

God, no.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Uh-oh. This one is only 10 or 11.
>
> I imagine that the life span of the average outdoor cat is somewhat
> shorter than that of the average indoor cat taken care of by me.

I've heard that indoor cats have longer lifespans that outdoor cats,
mostly because outdoor cats get run over or eaten. This cat could
still be eaten by coyotes, but it does spend most of its time in my
locked back yard.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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>but taking advantage of the airplane fuel for trips
>out of the country won't be a good idea since we will be pariahs
>world-wide, to even a greater extent than we already are.
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

What do ya mean?  We will kick ass and they will respect us!


    --bonniev

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Karen Kay wrote:

> I'm guessing you don't understand what 'allergic' means? Vacuum

YMMV, but I will report that a friend of mine who thought he had severe
cat and dog allergies fell madly in love and married an extreme cat
lover.  Somehow love gobbled up his allergies.  They have cats, and he
seems quite happy.

Can allergies suddenly stop?  I know that they can suddenly start.  That
is what has made me more respectful of things like poison ivy.  I've
never been allergic to anything that I know of, but I know now that that
can change instantly.  I guess I'm still not totally respectful of
poison ivy.  I don't study carefully the shapes of leaves when weeding
and do sometimes realize that I've just yanked up a clump of poison
ivy.  But I don't wallow in it the way I did in childhood.

--
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Yes.  I was thinking today about how travel within the US may be the
> thing to do in the future.  Dubya's grabbing of the Iraqi oil will give
> us plenty of fuel, but taking advantage of the airplane fuel for trips
> out of the country won't be a good idea since we will be pariahs
> world-wide, to even a greater extent than we already are.

You're assuming he'll succeed.

Karen
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> > Did you defend it?
>
>God, no.       --Karen

Why then have you read everything Heinlein wrote, if you don't like his
stuff?  Please try to answer in more than two words.


    --bonniev

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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > Later, I figured out that it only measured the strength of
> > > the pressure you put on it. Maybe the theory was that jittery
> > > people can't apply strong continuous pressure.
> >
> > But isn't it supposed to be a sign of stress to press hard when writing?
>
> Maynor, please take both horns of the copula by the scruff
> of their roots--I said strong AND I said continuous. Besides,

I somehow knew you were going to come back with the continuous thing.

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Bethany K. Dumas said:
> I am amused. I just came from PF where the OUTSIDE BARN cats have a
> private 24/7 heater during the winter. They live better than any indoor
> cats I have ever heard of. They have a little bed a few inches from the
> heater.

It doesn't often get below freezing here; if it did, I'd be
considering something like that.

I don't think it was as cold last night as they said it was going to
be; the only that that froze was some tomatoes and some basil.
Everything else was fine. I'm going to water in a little while, that
should help.

Karen
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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> Right-click the Taskbar and click Lock the Taskbar to deselect it.
> Then right-click it again, point to Toolbars, and select Quick Launch. It should appear. Modify it as desired.
> When you are done, lock the Taskbar again to hide the handles.

I do indeed live on a different planet.  I've been using XP for over a
year now, quite happily, but have not the slightest idea what a Taskbar
or Toolbar or Quick Launch might be.  Nor handles.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> YMMV, but I will report that a friend of mine who thought he had severe
> cat and dog allergies fell madly in love and married an extreme cat
> lover.  Somehow love gobbled up his allergies.  They have cats, and he
> seems quite happy.

Good for him.

> Can allergies suddenly stop?

Yes. I know that mine haven't, though, from my the fact that my throat
starts closing up when I get within 3 feet of the thing. Maybe if I
were in love.

Karen
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bonniev said:
> > > Did you defend it?
> >
> >God, no.       --Karen
>
> Why then have you read everything Heinlein wrote, if you don't like his
> stuff?  Please try to answer in more than two words.

I read all of his stuff a long time ago. I reread "SIASL" for this
book club. Who said I didn't like his stuff? Why should I defend it?

Karen
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alyce cresap wrote:

> Theodora Groothof wrote:
>  I'm beginning to
> > think the driving choice might be the better one, afterall.
>
> Oh, I think so! With the uncertainty of flights in winter weather, you
> might be stuck at an airport with an unhappy and hungry cat. Though it
> is a long ride, it would be a lot easier than flying, I should think.

Fwiw, I agree.  Driving will be easier in many ways -- like things the
movers aren't moving that you might suddenly think of, etc. etc.

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clyde w. voigtlander said:
> At 02:55 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> >The Historic American Cookbook Project:
> >http://digital.lib.msu.edu/cookbooks/index.cfm
>
> Thanks.  I searched on "Fannie Farmer," which presumably is one of the
> landmark American cookbooks (as I recall, one of the first to try to
> standardize measurements).  No luck.  Then again, maybe "Fannie" is later
> than 1922.

1918. It's the Boston Cooking-School Cookbook--try Farmer as the
      author name.

Karen
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bonniev wrote:
[stuff about books]

I just remembered that I was going to mention to you, Bonnie, that you
should check out whatever courses it is that Ben Blaney teaches wherever
it is he teaches them in the BH area.  I think they're just-for-fun
things -- not real academic courses.  He's a good teacher.  Somebody at
lunch today mentioned having gotten e-mail from him recently saying that
he was teaching somethingorother and that they were enjoying a hiking
club they were in (they = Ben and Ginny, his wife) and that cold weather
in BH doesn't feel as cold as cold weather in Mississippi -- that it's a
drier cold there.  (Why would it be drier on a coast?)  Anyway, I know
that he's a good teacher, having audited a German course from him one
time.  Don't know what it is he's teaching there.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> > Right-click the Taskbar and click Lock the Taskbar to deselect it.
> > Then right-click it again, point to Toolbars, and select Quick Launch. It should appear. Modify it as desired.
> > When you are done, lock the Taskbar again to hide the handles.
>
> I do indeed live on a different planet.  I've been using XP for over a
> year now, quite happily, but have not the slightest idea what a Taskbar
> or Toolbar or Quick Launch might be.  Nor handles.

So? You're not a GUI person.

But now I want to know why all the QuickLaunch Icons are so big.

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:

> > Mine both lived to 25.
>
> Uh-oh. This one is only 10 or 11.

How do you know its age?

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> It will be an adventure for you.

She saw all that at Judith's house in 1992. :)

Now I wonder where that picture of me mopping up is...

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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>he was teaching somethingorother and that they were enjoying a hiking
>club they were in

Maybe it's Walks and Talks sponsored by the YMCA one morning a week for
older folks.  I've never gone.

>  (they = Ben and Ginny, his wife) and that cold weather
>in BH doesn't feel as cold as cold weather in Mississippi -- that it's a
>drier cold there.  (Why would it be drier on a coast?)
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

We just talked about this two days ago.  Yes, the humidity is often low
here.  I completely agree that the cold weather is easier to take here than
in the damp South.  The coldest I've ever been was in Gainesville,
Florida.  Those concrete block houses built on slabs just aren't made for
winter living.  I'm glad he is enjoying this winter.  It's been a
particularly snowy and cold one.  But beautiful.


    --bonniev

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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> > > > Later, I figured out that it only measured the strength of
> > > > the pressure you put on it. Maybe the theory was that jittery
> > > > people can't apply strong continuous pressure.
> > >
> > > But isn't it supposed to be a sign of stress to press hard when writing?
> >
> > Maynor, please take both horns of the copula by the scruff
> > of their roots--I said strong AND I said continuous. Besides,
>
> I somehow knew you were going to come back with the continuous thing.

Lame save!

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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
> >
> > 02003-01-17 | s mandell <steph_mandell@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> > > I have drunk of the microsoft soup!  I have messenger installed too.  I'm
> > > now social and popular at work!  What's happened!
> >
> > Unsubscribe in shame.
>
> Am I the only one who doesn't really understand what this means --
> exactly what it is that Steph has done?

I don't know, Dr Maynor. It seemed like a shameful thing, though. My
best guess is that Steph is now running Windows on her workstation.
What a cop-out ... everybody knows that Unix is the logical system,
since it's more like DOS.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Mine both lived to 25.
> >
> > Uh-oh. This one is only 10 or 11.
>
> How do you know its age?

Because I cut it open and counted the rings.

(The former feeders told me.)

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> I've heard that indoor cats have longer lifespans that outdoor cats,
> mostly because outdoor cats get run over or eaten.

Yes.

alyce

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> It's possible that the furnace in that house was a converted coal
> furnace---there was one like that here when we bought the place.

That's the kind of furnace we had in the house in which I grew up -
originally coal, then converted to oil, and then when my parents moved in in
1967, they converted it to gas.

*sigh* I miss that house terribly.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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"clyde w. voigtlander" wrote:
>
> At 02:55 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, karen wrote:
> >The Historic American Cookbook Project:
> >http://digital.lib.msu.edu/cookbooks/index.cfm
>
> Thanks.  I searched on "Fannie Farmer," which presumably is one of the
> landmark American cookbooks (as I recall, one of the first to try to
> standardize measurements).  No luck.  Then again, maybe "Fannie" is later
> than 1922.

No, much earlier. But it is known officially as the Boston COoking
School Cookbook. Fannie Farmer is the editor.

alyce

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Can also be perused at http://www.bartleby.com.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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02003-01-17 | lisa alfieri <alfieri@ATTBI.COM> writes:
> I thought this was clever.
>
> enjoy...
>
> lisa
> George Bush's Iraq Song....

Sounds like Clinton wrote it ...


> > If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
> > If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.
> > If the terrorists are Saudi
> > And the bank takes back your Audi
> > And the TV shows are bawdy,
> > Bomb Iraq!
>
> > If the corporate scandal's growin', bomb Iraq.
> > And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq.
> > If the smoking gun ain't smokin'
> > We don't care, and we're not jokin'.
> > That Saddam will soon be croakin',
> > Bomb Iraq!
>
> > Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq.
> > From the sand dunes to the valleys, bomb Iraq.
> > So to hell with the inspections;
> > Let's look tough for the elections,
> > Close your mind and take directions,
> > Bomb Iraq!
>
> > While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq.
> > Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq.
> > If the ozone hole is growing,
> > Some things we prefer not knowing.
> > (Though our ignorance is showing),
> > Bomb Iraq!
>
> > So here's one for dear old daddy, bomb Iraq,
> > From his favourite little laddy, bomb Iraq.
> > Saying no would look like treason.
> > It's the Hussein hunting season.
> > Even if we have no reason,
> > Bomb Iraq!

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Yes.  I was thinking today about how travel within the US may be the
> > thing to do in the future.  Dubya's grabbing of the Iraqi oil will give
> > us plenty of fuel, but taking advantage of the airplane fuel for trips
> > out of the country won't be a good idea since we will be pariahs
> > world-wide, to even a greater extent than we already are.
>
> You're assuming he'll succeed.

I think it's likely.  At least in the short-run.  I think Dubya's forces
can zap Iraq and take the oilfields.  How long they will be held is
another matter.  I think that the U.S. military is without a doubt more
powerful than the Iraqi military.  But is it stronger than the combined
forces of the whole rest of the world?  Iow, when the rest of the world
decides to zap the imperialist grabber, I think it can be done.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
> How do you know its age?

Don't you think that Karen and Kitty talk?

alyce

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Oh.  Among my various other horror-story images of basements is the
> >image of a murderer stuffing the body into the furnace in the basement.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Mine is of stuffing a body behind the chimney in the attic.  That
> particular horror-story was put in my mind by an older sibling.  But I did
> not become afraid of attics.

Interesting thought.  I should explore my attic to see what the chimney
does there.  I've never thought of my chimney as having anything to do
with the attic.  I also can't remember from my childhood, when I spent
lots of time playing in the attic, that the chimney was noticeable.  I
do remember the attic fan.  We were strictly forbidden from going near
it in the attic.

I should probably explore the attic this weekend, while I still have a
cell phone to take up there with me in case I run into some kind of
crisis while there.  I plan to drop the cell-phone service within the
next week.
--
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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > You're assuming he'll succeed.
>
> I think it's likely.  At least in the short-run.  I think
> Dubya's forces can zap Iraq and take the oilfields.

Apparently Schwarzkopf and whatsisname thought otherwise--but don't
ask me shit, since I truly don't care, and the conversation would
anyway turn to the meaning of "can zap", and of course CAN zap is
true.

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >but taking advantage of the airplane fuel for trips
> >out of the country won't be a good idea since we will be pariahs
> >world-wide, to even a greater extent than we already are.
> >  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> What do ya mean?  We will kick ass and they will respect us!

Indeed.

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > I do indeed live on a different planet.  I've been using XP for over a
> > year now, quite happily, but have not the slightest idea what a Taskbar
> > or Toolbar or Quick Launch might be.  Nor handles.
>
> So? You're not a GUI person.

But I use GUI everyday.  It has been years since I last had the pleasant
feeling of turning on a computer and seeing nothing but C:/.

> But now I want to know why all the QuickLaunch Icons are so big.

Do I take it that QuickLaunch means something that launches quickly?  Is
it quicker than simply clicking on the appropriate icon?

--
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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > It will be an adventure for you.
>
> She saw all that at Judith's house in 1992. :)
>
> Now I wonder where that picture of me mopping up is...

That picture was in the list gallery, wasn't it?  Was it one of the ones
that vanished when the gallery moved from here to Texas?  I remember
mourning the loss of a bunch of pictures and regretting that I had
deleted them all here without waiting to make sure they survived the
move.

--
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > > Maynor, please take both horns of the copula by the scruff
> > > of their roots--I said strong AND I said continuous. Besides,
> >
> > I somehow knew you were going to come back with the continuous thing.
>
> Lame save!

Doncha hate it when you wait too late to say something.  I should've
said in my first reply that I knew you were going to mention the
continuous thing.  But isn't writing sort of continuous?

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Tushar Samant wrote:

> > Am I the only one who doesn't really understand what this means --
> > exactly what it is that Steph has done?
>
> I don't know, Dr Maynor. It seemed like a shameful thing, though. My
> best guess is that Steph is now running Windows on her workstation.
> What a cop-out ... everybody knows that Unix is the logical system,
> since it's more like DOS.

I caught on that it was probably about moving to Windows.  But I was
confused by the popularity thing -- suggesting to me that she was
somehow using e-mail in a different way now.  (I don't know what
Messenger is, except that I think it may be that thing that always plops
onto my computer when I download a new Netscape and that I immediately
delete.  I guess Steph is talking about a Microshit version of something
like that.)

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> I do indeed live on a different planet.  I've been using XP for over a
> year now, quite happily, but have not the slightest idea what a Taskbar
> or Toolbar or Quick Launch might be.  Nor handles.

The Task Bar is the big blue bar at the bottom of the screen where running
programs have buttons which expand into windows when clicked.

As for me, I have my Task Bar set to be two rows high. The left 4/5 of the
top row is my Quick Launch toolbar, with the right 1/5 set to the Address
toolbar for quick URL-entering. The bottom row is the active-programs area.

If you care, I can make a screen shot and send it to you. ;)

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Do I take it that QuickLaunch means something that launches quickly?  Is
> it quicker than simply clicking on the appropriate icon?

Yes--since my desktop is regularly covered with 5 or 6 open windows.
QuickLaunch is the best thing since sliced bread, IMHO.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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> But now I want to know why all the QuickLaunch Icons are so big.
>
> Karen

It relates to the size set for 3D Objects in Display Properties.

--Adam
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> That picture was in the list gallery, wasn't it?

No, it was never scanned out of <respect> for Judith's feelings.

--Adam
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Tushar Samant wrote:

> Apparently Schwarzkopf and whatsisname thought otherwise--but don't
> ask me shit, since I truly don't care, and the conversation would
> anyway turn to the meaning of "can zap", and of course CAN zap is
> true.

Has anything interesting happened today?  I'm in another one of my
ignore-the-world moods.  Usually they're just once in a while, but I've
been having them more often lately.  I have no idea what has happened in
the world since I glanced hurriedly at cnn.com at 5:30 this morning.  I
did read the Starkville Daily News after that, but that was pre-5:30-am
news -- and the SDN doesn't pretend to be a major source of national or
international news -- it assumes that people get that news elsewhere.

--
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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> > > > Maynor, please take both horns of the copula by the scruff
> > > > of their roots--I said strong AND I said continuous. Besides,
> > >
> > > I somehow knew you were going to come back with the continuous thing.
> >
> > Lame save!
>
> Doncha hate it when you wait too late to say something.  I should've
> said in my first reply

It is the "wit of the staircase" ... ALAS

>                       that I knew you were going to mention the
> continuous thing.  But isn't writing sort of continuous?

Nice sophistry, Maynor. Writing is continuous and stressed writing
perhaps involves strong pressure. Does this have much to do with
continuous strong pressure? No. And yet you would have us believe
so, though you only succeed as well as Marcia Clark. It is simple
I said "I said strong and I said continuous". In other words, I
said "strong" and "continuous". I certainly did not say "strong
and continuous". In fact I distinctly said "strong continuous",
which by plainly understood convention implies continuity in the
strength.

Anyway, going back to an earlier thread, sophistry and rhetoric
are the subjects which should be taught in school, instead of
Plato's dialogs. This way, freshman kids will refuse to be BSed
by various Drs and Profs.

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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> > > Am I the only one who doesn't really understand what this means --
> > > exactly what it is that Steph has done?
> >
> > I don't know, Dr Maynor. It seemed like a shameful thing, though. My
> > best guess is that Steph is now running Windows on her workstation.
> > What a cop-out ... everybody knows that Unix is the logical system,
> > since it's more like DOS.
>
> I caught on that it was probably about moving to Windows.  But I was
> confused by the popularity thing -- suggesting to me that she was
> somehow using e-mail in a different way now.  (I don't know what
> Messenger is, except that I think it may be that thing that always plops
> onto my computer when I download a new Netscape and that I immediately
> delete.  I guess Steph is talking about a Microshit version of something
> like that.)

Maybe!

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> The Task Bar is the big blue bar at the bottom of the screen where running
> programs have buttons which expand into windows when clicked.

Hmm.  I see no big blue bar.  At the bottom of my screen right now I see
a red-and-yellow box that says ZA and a clock that says 8:11 PM.  To the
left of that I see "Norton AntiVirus," with a picture of a computer with
a yellow screen to its left and something like a red cross at the bottom
of that computer picture.  Norton Antivirus is doing its thing right
now.

> As for me, I have my Task Bar set to be two rows high. The left 4/5 of the
> top row is my Quick Launch toolbar, with the right 1/5 set to the Address
> toolbar for quick URL-entering. The bottom row is the active-programs area.
>
> If you care, I can make a screen shot and send it to you. ;)

Yes, that would be fun.  I miss the old days of when I could do screen
shots.  That was back in the good old DOS days.  I had a little utility
named something like "screendump" that would enable me to take a picture
of any screen.  It doesn't work anymore.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > That picture was in the list gallery, wasn't it?
>
> No, it was never scanned out of <respect> for Judith's feelings.

Hmm.  I remember saying that I wasn't going to scan it out of respect
for Judith's feelings at first since she didn't want it scanned.  But I
had somehow thought that she had come around and that I had scanned it
later.  So have you seen it?  If so, how?  I of course have the original
in a shoebox in my pile of picture-filled shoeboxes.  My scanner has
been in the closet floor for over a year now, but it could perhaps be
brought out and hooked up.  That picture is wonderful, iirc.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > But now I want to know why all the QuickLaunch Icons are so big.
> >
> > Karen
>
> It relates to the size set for 3D Objects in Display Properties.

Thank you. How did you figure this out?

Karen
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Tushar Samant wrote:

>  In fact I distinctly said "strong continuous",
> which by plainly understood convention implies continuity in the
> strength.

Is there not continuity in the strength of writing?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Adam Hartfield said:
> The Task Bar is the big blue bar at the bottom of the screen where running
> programs have buttons which expand into windows when clicked.

Mine is on the right. And it's gray.

Karen
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02003-01-17 | Natalie Maynor <natalie@MAYNOR.NET> writes:
> Tushar Samant wrote:
>
> >  In fact I distinctly said "strong continuous",
> > which by plainly understood convention implies continuity in the
> > strength.
>
> Is there not continuity in the strength of writing?

You tell me, since you brought it up. However, do not phrase
it as a general truth, as in the post above.

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> Yes, that would be fun.  I miss the old days of when I could do screen
> shots.  That was back in the good old DOS days.  I had a little utility
> named something like "screendump" that would enable me to take a picture
> of any screen.  It doesn't work anymore.

You can use the Print Screen button to capture the entire screen to the
clipboard and then paste it in to another program, or use Alt-PrtScrn to
capture just the current window.

I use SnagIt by TechSmith (http://www.techsmith.com) for all my
screen-capturing needs. It's a great utility.

--Adam
adamh1@attbi.com

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> later.  So have you seen it?  If so, how?

I thought you gave me a copy.

Maybe not.

--Adam
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> > It relates to the size set for 3D Objects in Display Properties.
>
> Thank you. How did you figure this out?

I bumped that value up and noticed the icons got bigger, which was an
unintended consequence.

--Adam
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Adam Hartfield said:
> It relates to the size set for 3D Objects in Display Properties.

Really? Cuz I can't change that.

Karen
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> Mine is on the right. And it's gray.

Yes, but you've changed the defaults. I will bet anything that Natalie
hasn't.

--Adam
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> Really? Cuz I can't change that.

My bad. Caption buttons. Sorry.

--Adam
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At 05:02 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, karen and alyce wrote:

>1918. It's the Boston Cooking-School Cookbook--try Farmer as the
>       author name.

Thanks to both of you.

cwv

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Adam Hartfield wrote:

> You can use the Print Screen button to capture the entire screen to the
> clipboard and then paste it in to another program, or use Alt-PrtScrn to
> capture just the current window.

Oh.  I have no idea what the Print Screen button is or what the
clipboard is.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > later.  So have you seen it?  If so, how?
>
> I thought you gave me a copy.

That is quite likely.  I could've sent you a <hard copy>.  If you've
seen it, then it seems likely that either I sent you a copy or I brought
pictures to a ftf gathering.

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Really? Cuz I can't change that.
>
> My bad. Caption buttons. Sorry.

Icon works. Thanks.:)

Karen
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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> > > It relates to the size set for 3D Objects in Display Properties.
> >
> > Thank you. How did you figure this out?
>
> I bumped that value up and noticed the icons got bigger, which was an
> unintended consequence.

Hey, hey.  I *do* know how to change icon sizes.  I like them big.  Some
people prefer them small.

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
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> > Mine is on the right. And it's gray.
>
> Yes, but you've changed the defaults. I will bet anything that Natalie
> hasn't.

Defaults of what?

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Adam Hartfield said:
> > Mine is on the right. And it's gray.
>
> Yes, but you've changed the defaults. I will bet anything that Natalie
> hasn't.

Yes and yes.

Karen
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Tushar Samant wrote:
> > >  In fact I distinctly said "strong continuous",
> > > which by plainly understood convention implies continuity in the
> > > strength.
> >
> > Is there not continuity in the strength of writing?
>
> You tell me, since you brought it up. However, do not phrase
> it as a general truth, as in the post above.

I think there's continuity in the strength of writing.  But I fear that
that's stating a general truth.  I don't remember the post above (and
have not deleted anything from the above of this one).

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Oh.  I have no idea what the Print Screen button is or what the
> clipboard is.

The Print Screen button is on your keyboard. The clipboard is a
Windows construct.

Karen
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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Oh.  I have no idea what the Print Screen button is or what the
> > clipboard is.
>
> The Print Screen button is on your keyboard. The clipboard is a
> Windows construct.

Like the old DOS PrtScr button?  I remember that, although it wouldn't
work within programs without my wonderful little screendump utility.
Does it work now?  Like if you hit that key, will it save a screen?
Where does it save it?

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >
> > > Mine is on the right. And it's gray.
> >
> > Yes, but you've changed the defaults. I will bet anything that Natalie
> > hasn't.
>
> Defaults of what?

Taskbar location and appearance.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Natalie Maynor wrote:

> Like the old DOS PrtScr button?  I remember that, although it wouldn't
> work within programs without my wonderful little screendump utility.
> Does it work now?  Like if you hit that key, will it save a screen?
> Where does it save it?

I just hit it a bunch of times, by itself and preceded by everything I
could think of to precede it (shift, alt, ctrl, etc.), but I have no
clue that anything got saved.

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Yes, but you've changed the defaults. I will bet anything that Natalie
> > > hasn't.
> >
> > Defaults of what?
>
> Taskbar location and appearance.

I will bet anything also that I haven't changed such defaults since I
have no idea what "taskbar location and appearance" means.  I don't know
what a <taskbar> is.  As I said earlier, I do use a gui everyday, as
much as I hate it.  And I understand about <clicking> on things, as much
as I hate it.  But I'm not into the fine points like taskbars or
whatever else y'all were discussing.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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From: Rita Chapman <rouvalis@swbell.net>
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Teenagers are inscrutable.  Remember that kid I had it out
with last week?  He was officially done with my class Monday
  when he took the final.  He's found an excuse to drop by
my room every day this week -- usually he comes in, throws
something in my trash, smiles and says "hey, Mizz Chapman"
and leaves.

I failed another kid from the same class.  We've had it out
a few times in class, and he pretty much quit doing anything
in any of his classes the past few weeks and failed mine and
two others -- he's now ineligible for sports, at which he is
very, very talented.  He has a lot going on.  His mom and
older brother were both murdered a couple years ago and he
bounces between his dad and an aunt and another older
brother.  I don't think he sleeps in the same place two
nights in a row.  I gave him the opportunity to pass, but he
refused to take it.  He also comes in to see me every day.
The students had the day off today so we could grade finals
and do our semester grades, and he came in today and spent
some time with me.  On the way out he gave me a hug and
asked me if I was still praying for him.  Jeez.
--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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I just found something in control panel called "taskbar and start
menu."  If only my old screendump command still worked, I could show
y'all the settings.  I do notice that one box says "show Quick Launch"
and that I don't have that box checked.  I do have "show the clock"
checked.  Under "start menu" I have "classic start menu" checked.

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 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Rita Chapman wrote:
>
> Teenagers are inscrutable.  Remember that kid I had it out
> with last week?  He was officially done with my class Monday
>   when he took the final.  He's found an excuse to drop by
> my room every day this week -- usually he comes in, throws

Not inscrutable at all.

> refused to take it.  He also comes in to see me every day.
> The students had the day off today so we could grade finals
> and do our semester grades, and he came in today and spent
> some time with me.  On the way out he gave me a hug and
> asked me if I was still praying for him.  Jeez.

Also not inscrutable.

And these are examples of why I don't want to encourage you to get a PhD
and do college teaching.  (You can get a PhD if you want to -- I just
meant not a required one.)  You would be a fantastic college teacher.
And there would be some of the potentially <lost> that you could help
while you were guiding the <found>.  But not as many probably and not at
as much of the right moment.

--
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Subject: Re: Dumb XP question
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > Oh.  I have no idea what the Print Screen button is or what the
> > > clipboard is.
> >
> > The Print Screen button is on your keyboard. The clipboard is a
> > Windows construct.
>
> Like the old DOS PrtScr button?  I remember that, although it wouldn't
> work within programs without my wonderful little screendump utility.
> Does it work now?  Like if you hit that key, will it save a screen?

Yes.

> Where does it save it?

To the Windows clipboard. You can open up a program that can handle
graphics, and paste (Ctrl-v) the screen dump into it.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Adam Hartfield wrote:
>
> The Task Bar is the big blue bar at the bottom of the screen where running
> programs have buttons which expand into windows when clicked.

But my task bar is not blue. It is grey like all the rest of the bars
and borders. Or is it just blue on XP? (I have ME)

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> >
> Mine is on the right. And it's gray.

All right!

alyce

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Like the old DOS PrtScr button?  I remember that, although it wouldn't
> > work within programs without my wonderful little screendump utility.
> > Does it work now?  Like if you hit that key, will it save a screen?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Where does it save it?
>
> To the Windows clipboard. You can open up a program that can handle
> graphics, and paste (Ctrl-v) the screen dump into it.

Where do I find the Windows clipboard?  I've tried hitting the Prt Scrn
key, but nothing seems to happen.  I also don't know what program I
might have that can handle graphics -- Lview?  But the first step is
finding out whether I have anything named Windows clipboard and where it
might live.

--
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alyce cresap said:
> But my task bar is not blue. It is grey like all the rest of the bars
> and borders. Or is it just blue on XP? (I have ME)

Yes, just XP. But it doesn't have to be blue--I felt oppressed by all
the blue, so I started changing things.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Yes, just XP. But it doesn't have to be blue--I felt oppressed by all

Indeed it doesn't.  I have XP and see nothing blue.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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alyce cresap said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > >
> > Mine is on the right. And it's gray.
>
> All right!

:)

My cat came around to the front tonight because I was late putting out
food. Sheesh. When she learns how to ring the bell, I'm in big
trouble.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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>Where do I find the Windows clipboard?
>-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

Start   Programs   Accessories   Notepad.


    --bonniev

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Rita Chapman said:
> Teenagers are inscrutable.  Remember that kid I had it out
> with last week?  He was officially done with my class Monday
>   when he took the final.  He's found an excuse to drop by
> my room every day this week -- usually he comes in, throws
> something in my trash, smiles and says "hey, Mizz Chapman"
> and leaves.

Interesting, but understandable.

> I failed another kid from the same class.  We've had it out
> a few times in class, and he pretty much quit doing anything
> in any of his classes the past few weeks and failed mine and
> two others -- he's now ineligible for sports, at which he is
> very, very talented.  He has a lot going on.  His mom and
> older brother were both murdered a couple years ago and he
> bounces between his dad and an aunt and another older
> brother.  I don't think he sleeps in the same place two
> nights in a row.  I gave him the opportunity to pass, but he
> refused to take it.  He also comes in to see me every day.
> The students had the day off today so we could grade finals
> and do our semester grades, and he came in today and spent
> some time with me.  On the way out he gave me a hug and
> asked me if I was still praying for him.  Jeez.

Sounds like you're his only continuity.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Where do I find the Windows clipboard?  I've tried hitting the Prt Scrn
> key, but nothing seems to happen.  I also don't know what program I
> might have that can handle graphics -- Lview?  But the first step is
> finding out whether I have anything named Windows clipboard and where it
> might live.

That's why I called it a construct. AFAIK, you can't view the
Clipboard directly--you only know something is there when you paste it
into something else. Open up Word and slap it in.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > Yes, just XP. But it doesn't have to be blue--I felt oppressed by all
>
> Indeed it doesn't.  I have XP and see nothing blue.

Then you changed the default.

Karen
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bonniev said:
> >Where do I find the Windows clipboard?
> >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Start   Programs   Accessories   Notepad.

What will that do?

Karen
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The cancer is localized, and she's decided to go with radiation.

Evelyn Duncan
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Evelyn Duncan said:
> The cancer is localized, and she's decided to go with radiation.

Yay! Good for her.

Karen
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In a message dated 01/17/2003 10:57:37 PM Central Standard Time,
karen@WORDWRITE.COM writes:

<<
Evelyn Duncan said:
> The cancer is localized, and she's decided to go with radiation.

Yay! Good for her.


>>

I think the doctor is more concerned with her arthritis than the cancer.

Evelyn Duncan
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In a message dated 1/17/2003 5:01:05 PM, bonniev@PANAX.COM writes:

<< You sound much happier than you used to be, Theo.  I'm happy for you.
 >>

I am happier, Bonnie. This new location is going to provide me with much more
freedom than I've had in a long time. And I'm going to be happier YET,
because the driver is going to provide a large kennel type thing he used for
his VERY big dog. It has enough room for the litter box, food and water bowls
, etc. This is the best news I've had in a long time :-} Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 5:54:17 PM, natalie@MAYNOR.NET writes:

<< Can allergies suddenly stop?  I know that they can suddenly start.   >>

My dau#! wouldn't bring her son over, because he was allergic to cats. Last
year she brought him for my birthday, and the little boy played with Mickey
for a couple of hours without any sign of an allergic reaction. I asked her
later how he did after getting home, and she affirmed that he was OK later
too. I'm no expert, so I have no idea why this is. Theo

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In a message dated 1/17/2003 9:45:18 PM, BrandyKitt@AOL.COM writes:

<< The cancer is localized, and she's decided to go with radiation. >>

Good thoughts going her way, give her my best. Theo

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On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 01:55:05PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
= steph said:
= > =
= > = I liked that she called it "my cat".
= >
= > She's been in firm posession of the cat for quite a while now.
= > Just because she can't touch it doesn't mean she doesn't like
= > having it, it seems.  Fair enough.
=
= I like it. I guess I do like having it. I like watching it. But I do
= feel that I have far too many pets--the cat makes 7.
=
Um,  I didn't know that you had any pets.  What are you talking
about?

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bonniev wrote:
>
> >Where do I find the Windows clipboard?
> >-- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
> Start   Programs   Accessories   Notepad.

I know what Notepad is.  Are you saying it's the same thing as
Clipboard?  If I hit the prtscr key, the page magicially appears in
Notepad??

Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?  Does this mean
you have to hit shift to make the PrtScrn work?

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Karen Kay wrote:

> Open up Word and slap it in.

If you happen to have Word, that is.  But I do get the point now.  I'll
try it, slapping it into Notepad or Wordperfect or whatever.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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It worked (hitting shift before Prntscrn)!  Thanks!

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Theodora Groothof wrote:

> because the driver is going to provide a large kennel type thing he used for
> his VERY big dog. It has enough room for the litter box, food and water bowls
> , etc. This is the best news I've had in a long time :-} Theo

This sounds excellent!  Who is this driver?  Do you know him well?

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Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>
> The cancer is localized, and she's decided to go with radiation.

I hope that does the trick for her.

alyce

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On this beautiful clear morning, dominated by the greens of the conifers,
the white of the snow, and the blue of the sky (and a temperature of -7F,
-22C)---I send this reminder that it is less than six months until
Acadiafest (when, presumably, it will be somewhat warmer).

http://www.words-l.net/

Click on the photo.


http://www.nps.gov/acad/home.htm

--for park (including camping) information.


cwv

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steph said:
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 01:55:05PM -0800, Karen Kay wrote:
> = steph said:
> = > =
> = > = I liked that she called it "my cat".
> = >
> = > She's been in firm posession of the cat for quite a while now.
> = > Just because she can't touch it doesn't mean she doesn't like
> = > having it, it seems.  Fair enough.
> =
> = I like it. I guess I do like having it. I like watching it. But I do
> = feel that I have far too many pets--the cat makes 7.
> =
> Um,  I didn't know that you had any pets.  What are you talking
> about?

6 fish.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?

Because.

> Does this mean
> you have to hit shift to make the PrtScrn work?

No.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Open up Word and slap it in.
>
> If you happen to have Word, that is.  But I do get the point now.  I'll
> try it, slapping it into Notepad or Wordperfect or whatever.

It won't go into Notepad that I know of. I have no idea any more how
to put graphics into Wordperfect.

Karen
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Natalie Maynor said:
> It worked (hitting shift before Prntscrn)!  Thanks!

How bizarre. Mine works without.

Karen
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Damned cold here. Minus 8F at 7am. Furnace is clanging and banging, but
it's only about 60 and I do not know why. I have called for assistance,
but am not first on the list by any means. And so, I am going back
undercover(s) though I am wide awake. Guess maybe I will try watching a
DVD. It is to get colder each night at least until next Thursday.
--
alyce

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= > Um,  I didn't know that you had any pets.  What are you talking
= > about?
=
= 6 fish.
=
= Karen

If they're in one tank, that's like a group pet.

Goldfish?  Guppies?  Upsidown Catfish?

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alyce cresap wrote:
>
> Damned cold here. Minus 8F at 7am. Furnace is clanging and banging, but
> it's only about 60 and I do not know why. I have called for assistance,

Ugh.  Winter sux.  It was a good bit warmer than that at 7 am here -- a
balmy 10 above.  And my heat seems to be working fine.  Even so, winter
weather makes me want to crawl in a hole and hibernate.

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steph said:
> = > Um,  I didn't know that you had any pets.  What are you talking
> = > about?
> =
> = 6 fish.
> =
> = Karen
>
> If they're in one tank, that's like a group pet.

Not really. They are 4 different kinds.

> Goldfish?  Guppies?  Upsidown Catfish?

2 silver dollar fish, 2 striped something-or-others, one tetra, one
neon tetra. The first 4 are extremely aggressive, so I have to count
bodies every morning.

I don't really like these fish, but they came with the tank. I've had
them for two years, and I'm just waiting for them to die so I can redo
the tank as a marine tank.

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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Karen Kay wrote:
> > Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?
>
> Because.

Ah.  That explains it!
>
> > Does this mean
> > you have to hit shift to make the PrtScrn work?
>
> No.

It did for me.  YMMustV.

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        Alyce, I'm starting to wonder if it isn't time for you to get
out of that house before it kills you.

Natalie Maynor wrote:

> alyce cresap wrote:
>
>>Damned cold here. Minus 8F at 7am. Furnace is clanging and banging, but
>>it's only about 60 and I do not know why. I have called for assistance,
>>
>
> Ugh.  Winter sux.  It was a good bit warmer than that at 7 am here -- a
> balmy 10 above.  And my heat seems to be working fine.  Even so, winter
> weather makes me want to crawl in a hole and hibernate.
>
> --
>  -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)
>
>


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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Natalie Maynor said:
> > > Does this mean
> > > you have to hit shift to make the PrtScrn work?
> >
> > No.
>
> It did for me.  YMMustV.

How could you tell?

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, alyce cresap wrote:

>Damned cold here. Minus 8F at 7am. Furnace is clanging and banging, but
>it's only about 60 and I do not know why. I have called for assistance,
>but am not first on the list by any means. And so, I am going back
>undercover(s) though I am wide awake. Guess maybe I will try watching a

Good idea! We're at about 11 with a wind chill of 1.

>DVD. It is to get colder each night at least until next Thursday.

But we will get warmer starting tomorrow.

Take care, alyce!

Bethany

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Karen Kay wrote:

> > It did for me.  YMMustV.
>
> How could you tell?

It didn't work, and then it did work.

--
 -- Natalie (natalie@maynor.net)

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Feeding Maria will be a LOT of fun today - not! She is on winter baby
board - they get fed grain 5 mornings a week but not Sat-Sun. They get hay
on the weekends, but when it's this cold, I like for her to have some
grain every day.

(Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)

Bethany

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On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:14:10AM -0600, Natalie Maynor wrote:
= Karen Kay wrote:
= > > Why, btw, does the bottom of the PrtScrn key say SysRq?
= >
= > Because.
=
= Ah.  That explains it!

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part2/section-20.html

Not only does it just say SysRq, but it does something that
doesn't do anything!

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Bethany K. Dumas wrote:

> Feeding Maria will be a LOT of fun today - not! She is on winter baby
> board - they get fed grain 5 mornings a week but not Sat-Sun. They get hay
> on the weekends, but when it's this cold, I like for her to have some
> grain every day.
>
> (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)


        You're such a hater, Bethany.


--
Rita Rouvalis Chapman
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=
= (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)
=
= Bethany

No way.  I bet she's inside most of the time.

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= > Goldfish?  Guppies?  Upsidown Catfish?
=
= 2 silver dollar fish, 2 striped something-or-others, one tetra, one
= neon tetra. The first 4 are extremely aggressive, so I have to count
= bodies every morning.
=

That's funny, the first web page I looked at for the silver
dollar fish made them seem pretty mellow.

When I was a kid we had had guppies, neon tetras, an upsidedown
catfish, probably some other stuff.  I remember there were some
fish babies one time and we had them in a bowl in the kitchen so
they wouldn't get eaten.

= I don't really like these fish, but they came with the tank. I've had
= them for two years, and I'm just waiting for them to die so I can redo
= the tank as a marine tank.
=

You mean salt water?  Those are a bitch to keep, and the fish are
expensive and they keep dying because it's hard to keep the pH
level in the tank right, or something like that.

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Natalie Maynor said:
> Karen Kay wrote:
> > > It did for me.  YMMustV.
> >
> > How could you tell?
>
> It didn't work, and then it did work.

What do you mean by 'work'?

Karen
Poking and prying with purpose

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At 04:46 PM 1/18/2003 +0100, steph wrote:

>When I was a kid we had had guppies, neon tetras, an upsidedown
>catfish, probably some other stuff.  I remember there were some
>fish babies one time and we had them in a bowl in the kitchen so
>they wouldn't get eaten.
>
>= I don't really like these fish, but they came with the tank. I've had
>= them for two years, and I'm just waiting for them to die so I can redo
>= the tank as a marine tank.

A half-cup of bleach ought to shorten the waiting period.


>You mean salt water?  Those are a bitch to keep, and the fish are
>expensive and they keep dying because it's hard to keep the pH
>level in the tank right, or something like that.

The real problem is replenishing the sea water (simply making up salt water
at about 35 0/00 won't do it).  Marine tanks also seem to need finer
temperature control and much better filtration.

cwv

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Rita Chapman wrote:

>> Feeding Maria will be a LOT of fun today - not! She is on winter baby
>> board - they get fed grain 5 mornings a week but not Sat-Sun. They get hay
>> on the weekends, but when it's this cold, I like for her to have some
>> grain every day.
>>
>> (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)
>
>
>        You're such a hater, Bethany.

Right. That's why I go out and feed my mare when it's 11 degree outside.

Bethany

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, steph wrote:

>= (Maria is of course an OUTSIDE horse.)
>=
>= Bethany
>
>No way.  I bet she's inside most of the time.

No way. She has no access to an <inside>.

Bethany

